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Title: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 05, 2005, 10:28:04 PM
Since I have funny administrative privilages because I am the technical starter of this board and I have a 3000+ posts :-[ , this is free one for Darryl Nester, so he doesn't feel so alone.  ;) :-* :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2005, 10:34:28 PM
Just counted it is 99 wins for the Hanover Seniors based on their home page stats...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Drake Palmer on March 05, 2005, 10:40:47 PM
DHF - out of curiosity did you quit posting on your "home board" - CCIW? I lurk/visit the CCIW board enough to know that you were/are an avid Wheaton booster.  Yet, it seems you're  all over the place tonight - HCAC, MWC, South Region, but no CCIW posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2005, 10:55:52 PM
DHF..wondering the same thing we miss you!!! Were you at Wesleyan tonite?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: William Hawkins on March 05, 2005, 10:56:44 PM
FYI - among other things, the 99 wins is fact!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2005, 11:14:09 PM
DHF is a Wheaton GRAD, now living in Virginia.

Her 'home' boards currently seem to be ODAC, CAC, and MWC - she has some 'issues' with some CCIW posters (for which I certainly do not blame her!).

SOME of us would certainly welcome her more frequent re-appearance on the CCIW board, but I'll leave that up to her.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2005, 11:18:04 PM
Congratulations to the Panthers!

I confess to being in a bit of shock!

But I will root for you to go all the way - after all, then we could STILL claim to be the number two that we've been pegged most of the year!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: titanscouser on March 05, 2005, 11:44:27 PM
Congratulations, Panthers.

Your game was close to perfect.  You definitely deserved the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: titanfan on March 06, 2005, 12:56:25 AM
I just got back from Bloomington, and I wanted to congratulate Hanover.  They played in incredible game in all aspects.  

Just when IWU made that second half run to go up 4, the Panthers had 4 consecutive possessions where there came away with 3 points.  In my mind, that string really put the Titans away.  

Good luck in the rest of the tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 06, 2005, 01:40:27 AM
With my other distractions out of the way for this season (:-(), I am now an official 100% Hanover Panther fan.  Congratulations on the big win tonight, and good luck against Trinity!  Get that 100th win, Matt & co.!  Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampson on March 06, 2005, 10:32:01 AM
As a Hanover alum at the game last night, I am not sure I have seen the guys play any better than they did last night.  I hope they keep that up in the next round.  They took every run that IWU had and answered it.  Just an exceptional game by our guys.  To IWU you have the best crowd support for a DIII school I have ever had the opportunity to witness.  It was an absolutely great atmosphere that as a former player I wish I could have played in.  Your team is very talented and I was very impressed.  Again, the fans were great except for the drunken idiots under the basket one of which was flipping off the Hanover crowd, he was quickly escorted out, which proves that IWU is a classy place to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MadDog Mark on March 06, 2005, 12:20:10 PM
To all Hanover fans, I would like to say congratulations on a great win by the Panthers over IWU at Blomington last night. Your guys played an excellent game and I really enjoyed the contest, despite the fact that you beat the Titans. I would like to wish you good luck and I hope your Tourney ends in Salem, with the big trophy! I would like to see IWU and Hanover continue to play each other, it is D3 basketball at it's best.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 06, 2005, 03:50:25 PM
Ahhh! Not the CAC, the MACC! I went to a bunch of CAC games this, but I didn't enjoy myself, lol.  

Huckleberry and Drake: never fear, I am still I diehard Wheatie. I would be happy to elaborate why I'm not posting on the CCIW board via email, but I'd rather leave the HCAC board coated with their much deserved congratulations for Hanover's win, rather than the unavoidable backlash of me going public for the reasons I don't want to post on the CCIW board anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: huckleberry on March 06, 2005, 07:35:28 PM
DH...You will be missed...

email me at gregjeanne@sbcglobal.net if you like...i hope it is not related to what I think it might be if so that is really too bad!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Black & Old Gold on March 06, 2005, 10:15:51 PM
I'm with DC, unfortuately--I'm 100% in the Panthers' camp. Beitzel runs a great program, and I'd love to see Hanover get to Salem--

No doubt Beitzel will have them ready for Trinity--enjoy the ride and get it done, Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School on March 07, 2005, 12:45:08 AM
Wanna get a bite to eat prior to the game in Stevens Point?  

Hilltop Pub and Grill (right when you come in on HWY 10 (just after Interstate 39 intersection)  

Guu's Tavern and Grill-downtown on Main St.  

Ella's Resturant-just west of Quandt Fieldhouse (on Division St., aka Business 51).  

Springville Wharf-off the beaten path, but well worth it. More into Plover (south of SP).  

Michele's Restaurant and Catering-for the upper class fans :-). reservations appreciated. On Division St., just north of Ella's.  

Hibachi Joe's-Chinese & Japanese Cuisine  

Red Mill Supper Club-Westside, going out of town on HWY 10. Nice place to eat, but not as upscale as Michele's.  

Bill's Pizza Shop-on Main St. downtown, near Guu's, right near Hibachi Joe's.  

I'm sure other Pointer fans and Point natives could help out, if you ask nicely. :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Point Special on March 07, 2005, 01:07:51 AM
And here are the lodging options.  Get your reservations soon, as there is alot going on in Point next weekend.

http://www.spacvb.com/lodging.html

If you can't find anything there, do a google search for Wausau or Wisconsin Rapids (1/2 hour drives each).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IWUMich on March 07, 2005, 12:39:02 PM
Congratulations Hanover on the win over IWU.  I told Coach Beitzel post-game that you guys won fair and square. You are a quality group of guys with a quality coach. Now that I am back in Michigan, I just wanted to post that and wish you good luck in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School on March 08, 2005, 12:49:47 PM
Traveling Fans' Itinerary Should Be:

1. Go tour the POINT (BEER) BREWERY Friday early afternoon.

2. Depending on your taste, eat at one of the fine establishments listed above.
2a.  Hilltop Pub has a great fishfry (come on, it's Wisconsin), as does Guu's on Main.
2b. Springville Wharf has great cheese bread.  
2c. Bill's Pizza has great, well, pizza.

3. Go to Belt's Ice Cream for dessert.  We're not talking McDonald's quality ice cream here.  It just opened last Friday and it's been a tradition to camp out the night before to be the first in line.  Great ice cream, sundaes, flurries etc.

4. After the game, head down to The Final Score to celebrate or drink your sorrows away.  It's a nice "sports bar" and a lot of fans head down there after and prior to the game.  There is a big screen tv, among other tvs and plenty of room. They also serve good food there.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 08, 2005, 04:44:32 PM
Basketball in Division III at this time of year... is so SWEET!!!
32 teams still have a chance at two national titles... and many teams weren't expected to get this far.
Tonight, a preview of this weekend's Sweet 16 action and preparations for the Final Four... on "Hoopsville"!!!


Wooster, Wittenburg, and Illinois Wesleyan are out of the men's bracket!
So, who in the world is still left in the Men's Road to Salem?
Well... UW-Stevens Point, Amherst, and St. John Fisher.

Trinity (TX) is still alive. Most thought they would be playing IWU on Friday night, instead they face Hanover. Tonight, we will chat with Coach Pat Cunningham about his Tigers. Their road to the Final Four is going to be a tough one.

Then there is John Carrol, who defeated Wittenburg to earn their Sweet 16 berth. Coach Mike Moran seems to have his Blue Streaks team clicking on all the right cylinders, having won the OAC before their run in the NCAA's. We will chat with Coach Moran about his upcoming game against Albion... who got by on what some say is a questionable win over Wooster.

On the women's side, not too many upsets, even though DePauw and Buena Vista were eliminated on their Road to Virginia Beach.

Wesleyan continues to surprise as they took out Staten Island to earn their Sweet 16 game against Springfield. Coach Kate Mullen will join us live on the air to talk about how this season's finish isn't what the Cardinals planned on... and how they're looking to keep dancing.

George Fox will be earning a lot of frequent flyer miles this weekend. Coach Scott Rueck has his Bruins playing very good basketball and will take on St. Benedict, who upset Buena Vista. But how are the Bruins going to handle flying across the entire length of the nation for the game(s)... we will ask Coach Rueck.

And Salem is getting ready for their tenth Men's Final Four. ODAC Commissioner Brad Bankston will join us live on the air to let us know how the preparations are going. How you can get tickets! And what else you can expect and should do while in the great city of Salem (and Roanoke), Virginia.

Oh... and of course we will chat with our regional reporters - Gordon Mann will actually join us in studio. And we will certainly take your questions and comments on the air and try and cover a very busy week of basketball.

So come join us online and LIVE from 8PM - 10PM Eastern!

"Hoopsville": only place where you can listen or chat about Division III Basketball in the nation.

Check out the "Hoopsville" page for information on how you can listen... and be a part of the show.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride10 on March 10, 2005, 02:14:13 PM
from Around the Nation:

"Streaky might be the best word to describe the Panthers..."

Ummm, not sure about that one.  But to his credit, he's probably never watched them play.

(Message edited by Pantherpride10 on March 10, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampson on March 10, 2005, 06:28:46 PM
Yeah, I would not call them streaky.  They have good shooters and work the ball with great precision, which could lead to wide open shots.  This is one reason I think they have shot so well at times.  Obviously there are times that they are just in one of those zones, but it is easier to get into one of those zones when you pass the ball as well as they do.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Terry on March 11, 2005, 06:20:24 PM
I agree Sampson, over the years the one thing HC has always done well is move the ball and be unselfish.  I hope they can win 2 up north and head to the next round.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampson on March 11, 2005, 07:43:24 PM
Hanover up 1 at the half 29-28
Chrin and Dennis with 3 fouls each.

Hanover not playing very well and trinity has not missed a 3 yet in the game they are 4-4.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School on March 11, 2005, 11:34:55 PM
Trinity holds on in overtime, after blowing a late lead in regulation.  Very exciting game from a nuetral fan's standpoint.  Point won the night cap.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 13, 2005, 03:41:10 PM
News of importance to HCAC fans on the front page.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampson on April 19, 2005, 02:20:52 PM
So what are the HCAC fans' thoughts on Rose-Hulman rejoining the conference?  Doubt I will get a response, but thought I would ask.  I think it is a good addition to the conference and look forward to catching their games against Hanover.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 20, 2005, 06:20:23 PM
I'm glad Rose is (back) in the conference, but it seems to me that this isn't the last change.  DPU's presence in the SCAC is now even weirder than before, leaving the SCAC both uneven (i.e., odd) and unbalanced.  And a 9-team HCAC is odd as well, both literally and figuratively.  I think there may be other moves in the offing.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 20, 2005, 06:51:30 PM
DC:

There may be 'other moves in the offing'? Just out of curiosity, who or what?

BTW might any of those other venues likely to move be located at 19th & Martindale in Indianapolis? Advise soonest -- if not sooner, please.

(Message edited by wt on April 20, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 20, 2005, 09:12:36 PM
I don't know what might happen, I just feel like something will happen.  I can't see DPU staying in the SCAC as it is currently constituted; either they leave (I know they say they won't) or someone somewhere gets added--who that might be I have no clue.  The 9-team HCAC is less of a problem, but the PrAC is hungry for schools and they've just colonized Cincinnati, so maybe MSJ might be lured to the Prexy League?  It's all just idle speculation, but the current state seems to me to be out of equilibrium.

I thought there was an old train station at 19th & Martindale, but maybe not.  The fella who told me so was so drunk that he didn't even know who he was talking to!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 25, 2005, 10:53:19 AM
For those who may have missed it (tsk tsk), Anderson has a new coach.  Congratulations and best wishes to Coach Slyder.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIIIFAN on August 12, 2005, 11:32:06 AM
I'm new to the HCAC. How do the teams stack up this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bigguy4244 on August 28, 2005, 03:36:26 PM
I heard that there is a kid who might transfer from a Division 1 school to Anderson to play basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bigguy4244 on August 28, 2005, 03:55:52 PM
This kid is not very happy where he is at. Will transfer this summer.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2005, 04:26:01 PM
Since you're posting from SIU I guess we can whittle down the possible Division I schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on August 28, 2005, 10:01:39 PM
I wonder if this transfer is a big guy who has worn #42 and #44?  ::)

When is "this summer?"  Now, or after the academic year just beginning has ended?

diiifan, welcome to the HCAC.  I wish I could answer your question, but I'm a fan who lives outside of the HCAC and has no access (inside or normal) to any info.  If there are any lurkers out there who have info about one or more schools, we'd love to hear from you!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 29, 2005, 08:23:06 AM
Just noticed that I "founded" this board....  I've posted so many places, I guess that was bound to happen somewhere.

Anyhow friends, welcome to the HCAC board. :D :D :D



Personally, I am thrilled that Wheaton scheduled themselves for a HCAC tourney this year (Franklin's in early Dec)... the HCAC tends to have some of the best SOSI's in the region.

So what is the conference shaping up to do this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bigguy4244 on August 29, 2005, 03:23:35 PM
How are Anderson's big men? Are they pretty good?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nukid on September 13, 2005, 03:26:40 PM
Ok I'll start the ball arollin. My picks for this year

Transylvania
Hanover
Bluffton
Manchester
Franklin
Mt. St. Joseph
Defiance
Anderson
::)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 13, 2005, 04:29:22 PM
Is Anderson really going to be that bad?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 17, 2005, 08:43:32 AM
I believe Transylvania is still provisional, or have they moved past that status?  I might add, wherever they are at, their transition has been quite well.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bigguy4244 on September 18, 2005, 07:04:03 PM
I believe Anderson is goin to be up there
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 18, 2005, 10:18:03 PM
That's a really strong argument, I totally believe that Anderson will be up there now.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nukid on September 22, 2005, 04:38:21 PM
All thay have back is clampitt. no one else in double fig's. ???
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 22, 2005, 05:01:02 PM
Quote from: True Basketball Fan on September 18, 2005, 10:18:03 PM
That's a really strong argument, I totally believe that Anderson will be up there now.  :D

:D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 25, 2005, 05:30:53 PM
diehard,

I can't help my sarcasm, it's a disease that there is no cure for.

I've learned that a high level of sarcasm is directly proportional to how low one's karma falls.  Titan2000 is the only other poster I see with a lower one than me, not coincidental that we share the same opinions often.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ravensider on September 28, 2005, 02:53:13 PM
Truth Mill:   Nick Rogers, 6'8" 280# Indiana All-Star from Pendleton Heights High School has left Southern Illinois and is now enrolled at Anderson University.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 30, 2005, 09:27:29 AM
With that transfer, the argument for Anderson NOT being in the cellar is much more believable.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nukid on October 07, 2005, 12:10:01 PM
ok new order

Transylvania
Hanover
Bluffton
Manchester
Franklin
Mt. St. Joseph
Anderson ;)
Defiance

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nukid on October 14, 2005, 02:52:33 PM
Practice starts Monday any predictions



                             ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on October 15, 2005, 11:26:11 PM
Quote from: nukid on October 14, 2005, 02:52:33 PM
Practice starts Monday any predictions

??? ???

1st day of practice was today, Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on October 27, 2005, 04:44:15 PM
Hanover starts the season at #9 with a somewhat surprising (to me, at least) first-place vote.  Transylvania gets 68 votes to fall into the "others receiving votes" category (equivalent #31).  No votes for Anderson.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nukid on October 31, 2005, 02:17:02 PM
When does the HCAC web site put ou the preseason polls ??? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nukid on October 31, 2005, 02:53:54 PM
 ;)2005-06 Men's Basketball Preseason Coaches Poll
Team         Points (first place votes)
1. Transylvania      62 (6)
2. Hanover      52 (2)
3. Franklin      43
4. Bluffton      41
5. Mt. St. Joseph   29
6. Manchester      26
7. Anderson      21
8. Defiance      14
;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on November 10, 2005, 11:28:29 PM
Hey everyone...I'm from the land of the CCIW and recently moved to Lexington.  I was curious about Transy.  I see they are playing Wittenberg the weekend after Thanksgiving.  I was just curious what the Transy arena is like and how well they draw.  Also, since Witt isn't more than 3 hours away, does Witt travel well or doesn't anyone know.  I'm just curious if this game would be a situation where getting in to the game could be difficult.  I know back in the CCIW, at team like IWU can fill a place with fans at the opposing arena...just curious how things are down here.  Thanks

Jim
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 11, 2005, 12:57:29 PM
The Witt game is scheduled for Nov. 27, which is the Sunday of Thanksgiving weekend.  Witt is on break then; Transy probably is too, like most schools.  I don't know about Transy's typical attendance, but I'd expect something short of a sellout for that game.  It should be a great game, too.

In perusing the Transy media guide, I see that Thad McCracken is not listed as an assistant this season.  The Hanover media guide tells me that he's gone to Hendrix College as an assistant this season.  Best wishes to Thad; I'm sure the HCAC will miss him.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on November 12, 2005, 07:26:51 AM
Transy has a pretty nice set up, there gym is a few years old, they fill it up pretty well to, get there early though and it shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 12, 2005, 01:53:40 PM
Regarding the Hanover John R. Collier tournament on 11/26 and 11/27, anyone know if that is Robert Morris of Chicago in the field?  It says "Robert Morris (Illinois)" on the schedule...RM-C's schedule link is down, but I do see it is not RM-Springfield.

http://www.robertmorris.edu/athletics/mensbasketball/chicago/

http://www.robertmorris.edu/athletics/mensbasketball/springfield/

Robert Morris College of Chicago is a small college powerhouse.  They're rated #4 in NAIA I after getting to the semifinal round of the tournament last year (falling to Azusa Pacific).  They just played an exhibition vs NCAA D1 Illinois-Chicago and lost by just 3 points, and tonight face D1 Loyola in an exhibition.

If it is indeed Robert Morris-Chicago, I wonder why the heck Hanover is playing them in Round 1 of the tournament instead of Mount Union or Ohio Wesleyan.  I don't have any doubt that Hanover will be an underdog in their own gym in that game...seems standard practice that the host school in a tournament stays away from the best opponent in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2005, 01:35:40 AM
Any chance it's possible they got confused as to which one they scheduled?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 15, 2005, 02:57:57 AM
The Robert Morris in Hanover's tourney is definitely the Chicago version.

RMC-Chicago has not played D3 teams in the past, but this year the Eagles seem to be including some upper-echelon D3 programs on their schedule. This coming weekend they'll be in the Wisconsin-Platteville tourney; they'll play Wash U on Friday night, and then the winner of the Simpson/UW-Platteville game (gee, I wonder who's going to win that one?) on Saturday. Then the next weekend they're in Indiana for Hanover's tournament.

Since it's essentially a meaningless game for Hanover in terms of D3 tournament purposes, I can understand why Mike Beitzel has scheduled RMC-Chicago for the opening round on Saturday night. He probably wants his team fresh for such an extremely difficult opponent, especially since the Sunday games will be played in the afternoon. The John R. Collier Tournament will have no bearing on Hanover's regional record, as both Ohio Wesleyan and Mount Union are Great Lakes Region schools that are outside of Hanover's 200-mile radius.

If I were him, I think I'd do the same thing.

RMC-Chicago lost that exhibition game to Loyola (IL) by six, by the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on November 15, 2005, 11:58:43 AM
That RMC-Chicago team looks pretty tough just based on what their website says about the high school accolades of several of their players.

1 First-Team McDonald's All-American
2 Top 100 HS recruits

These 3 guys are either juniors or seniors.  Who knows though, they did lose 4 of 5 starters including a 2-time conference player of the year and an All-American from a 30-5 team.  But then again, they did have 6 players averaging over 10 points last year and as a team, they averaged just over 90 ppg.  Should be interesting to find out how that game goes, Hanover versus a presumably high-powered, athletic offense that loves to shoot the three (over 20 attempts per game last year).  According to last year's scores, they were about 5-10 points better than St. Ambrose, Olivet Nazerene, and St. Francis 

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball Fan on November 15, 2005, 07:44:17 PM
Hanover should have their hands full in their own Tournement. We will see what happens. As a native of Louisville i have always followed Hanover. I can't wait to see them play IWU. i think i will make the trip up to the game at the Shirk Center. What does everyone thinks about Hanover's chances on getting back to the Sweet 16?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 15, 2005, 11:07:16 PM
Basketball Fan, those of us associated with Illinios Wesleyan are looking forward to Dec. 20 as well.  The IWU/Hanover games of the last two seasons have been Division III basketball at its best. I hope this non-conference matchup stays on the schedule every year....and at the same time I also hope we stop meeting in Round 2 of the tournament!  Hanover did not deserve to get bounced in Round 2 in 2004 and IWU did not in 2005.

Even though Hanover lost Tommy Dennis, Ryan Lanning, and Matt Moore, they should still be a very good team.  Hanover is one of those programs where it is really about interchangeable parts, as opposed to having 1-2 superstars.  Programs like this tend to maintain consistency better than the "superstar-based" programs.  With a nucleus of Ben Lye, Brian Chrin, and Nate Minyard and then those young guys who came on late last year (can't remember the names - huge post player who is gonna be a ton and the guard), and any impact freshmen Coach Bietzel may have, the Panthers will be tough.  It wouldn't surprise me if Hanover struggles early because, make no mistake about it, they are really going to miss those seniors.  But they'll figure their 2005-06 rotation out at some point and make a real run at another HCAC title.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball Fan on November 16, 2005, 12:21:45 PM
Hey titan Q, i was looking up Hanovers roster and it looks like they have changed things up a bit. They had a pretty good size freshman class last year but this year the new "sophmore" class is down to 5. I thought they had at least 6 or 7 last year. i only noticed one "big guy". 6'7 Brown is 220. Not sure what happened to their other big guy who was huge, i think like 6'7 250. Parker a gaurd last year dropped 20 in the first round tournment game. He should play alot this year, probably at a 2. they will be young and probably stumble out of the blocks but as time goes on watch out
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 16, 2005, 01:35:26 PM
Regarding Hanover's recruits: Last year they started the year with 10 freshmen, and lost two over the course of the year.  Three of those freshmen did not return, including 6-7 240-lb Brice Murphy (3.3 ppg, played in 28 games, started 4).  They began practice this season with 6 freshmen, but have lost two (including, oddly enough, another 6-7 240-lb player).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:27:05 AM
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 18, 2005, 09:02:24 PM
Webster 60
Hanover 60

End of Regulation
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on November 18, 2005, 11:38:03 PM
AU 99
TM 95 F OT

Defiance also loses to Wilmington.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 18, 2005, 11:59:21 PM
Hanover by 3 in OT
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on November 20, 2005, 12:58:36 AM
Wilmington 51
AU 50 F

Defiance also beats TM.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball Fan on November 21, 2005, 12:12:12 PM
Hanover is 2-0 going into their game tonight against a tough and much improved Wabash team. Hanover squeaked out 2 wins in St. Louis over the weekend. The gaurd Parker went off, he averaged 22.5 ppg out there and i think had like 4 assits per game as well. Any body jumping on the  All-american band-wagon? How many sophmores have ever been voted on the all american teams? Wabash has some bigger gaurds so tonight might be a challenge for him. Next weekend Hanover plays Robert Morris. What does everyone think about playing tough pre-confrence schedules?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 21, 2005, 12:35:57 PM
Sounds like Greg, and well, the Hanover coaches made the right decision about the games sched... though I bet they were sure nervous those last few minutes!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on November 21, 2005, 01:38:42 PM
Wabash is a pretty good team, but Hanover should beat them.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 21, 2005, 03:52:00 PM
IMHO, Wabash would have to be pretty significantly better from the team I saw last year to beat Hanover, unless Hanover is pretty seriously weakened by the loss of their stars in the last few years.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball Fan on November 25, 2005, 01:02:21 PM
wow- hanover survived a close one against Wabash. saturaday they host Robert Morris. Can Hanover beat them? I think Hanover can, they are built for thses types of games. The are giant killers, they always seem to s tep it up a notch when they play the top teams. I think a smart and sharp Hanover team will have a chance. they need to slow it down and not turn it over to beat a very athletic and big Robert Morris team. What does everyone think about this game plus any other big games around D3 this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 25, 2005, 01:28:08 PM
For a good list of games this weekend, complete with links to webcast information, see the "Daily Dose" blog, accessible from the front page. 

The best game of the weekend, from an HCAC standpoint, has to be the Sunday afternoon contest between Wittenberg and Transylvania in Lexington.  Both teams are the pre-season favorites to win their conferences.  Witt has two big, talented post players in Dan Russ and Dane Borchers, and already has big wins over Rochester and Capital, but they've stumbled against good competition early in the season the last two years.  This game figures to be a good yardstick for both of these teams.

As for Hanover, I'm very interested to see how they fare against Robert Morris.  Their win against Wabash might turn out to be a good one (Wabash also played well against #1 IWU, at least for 30 minutes), but the Hanover wins against Webster and Maryville (Mo.) were unimpressive to say the least.  Last year, Hanover best these opponents by 29 and 13 points, respectively; this year the margins were by 3 (in OT) and 7, respectively.  Robert Morris figures to be a much tougher opponent than any of the three teams the Panthers have faced yet; it will be interesting to see if they can step it up, especially with the student body (presumably) on break.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augiedad on November 26, 2005, 11:31:07 PM
As expected, Hanover fell to Robert Morris in their own tournament today.

http://www.hanover.edu/sports/hcmbb.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 27, 2005, 05:10:37 PM
Final from Lex:
Wittenberg 61
Transylvania 52
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 28, 2005, 04:34:41 PM
If anyone from Manchester saw the Rockford game, I would appreciate any info on the Regents that you might offer. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on December 03, 2005, 10:51:04 PM
Final Hanover 56 Elmhurst 67.  A tough loss for Hanover after being up by 10 at the 12:39 mark in the second half -- with a 21 point swing to being down by 11 at game end. Hanover fans, I got to tell you I felt your pain listening here in Michigan.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball Fan on December 04, 2005, 12:34:30 PM
Wow... Hanover losses to Elmhurst by 11. I was able to attend this game, as I was up in Chicago for a wedding. Very disappointed with the game in a number of ways. 1. The refs, Hanover got "homered" if I have ever seen so. I can honestly say the fouls did not go both ways, I hate to see a great game with great teams be decided by the officials. 2. Hanover's outside shooting. While they rebounded very well, Hanover's strengths are shooting the 3 and overall guard play. Hanover lost the game because their guard play was sub-par. It was a slug-fest just the way Hanover likes to play, but this time couldn't get a W. I saw some IWU fans in the crowd last night. What will Hanover do with them? This was a should win for the panthers that came into the game needing this win. They have a tough schedule over the next 3 weeks. With a home game vs. Earlham who I just saw almost knocked off number 2 Wooster. Then up to IWU. I hate to suggest that maybe Hanover doesn't have it this year but I wonder....

The pre-conference schedule is tough.... but will Hanover be to beaten up going into the conference to reclaim their title....
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2005, 02:17:29 AM
Oh, please. Don't blame the loss to Elmhurst on the refs. It was actually a fairly well-called game, with the bad calls evening out for either side. The one legitimate beef Hanover fans have with the refs was with the situation at 14:13 of the second half with Hanover up, 39-29. Chris Martin of the Bluejays got the ball on a fast break, and Ben Lye bear-hugged him as he went up, preventing him from getting off his shot. Martin fell hard, and came up yelling in Lye's face.

Lye must've dropped an f-bomb or something in return, because when the refs came over to the scorer's table they signaled a foul on Lye with an additional technical on top of that charged to the Hanover senior forward. That surprised many of us sitting courtside, as we were expecting the technical to go on Martin. The fouls actually started a run for the Bluejays that erased the Hanover lead and put Elmhurst up by one at 44-43 and 46-45, but the Panthers then went on a mini-run of their own to take back control and post a 52-47 lead. So it's not as though the Lye/Martin situation proved to be a critical momentum swing.

Overall, I was very impressed with Hanover. For a team working in a bunch of new guys after losing three players to graduation, I was very impressed with their skill level and their cohesion. They couldn't hit a trey on Saturday evening to save their lives, but that happens sometimes. Defense, however, is a constant in every game, and the Panthers certainly play quality D. Hanover will do alright this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on December 05, 2005, 03:01:10 PM
"Sophomore guard Clint Parker (Brownstown, IN) canned two free throws to pull Hanover within 61-54 with 1:39 left. The Panthers, however, missed four three-pointers and Elmhurst converted 6-of-6 free throws down the stretch to seal the win." - Hanover College website

It was not the officiating in my opinion.  Officials tend to give the calls to the agressor team; and, Elmhurst was more agressive going to the hoop in the 2nd half.

It was shooting 19% treys and staying with an inside out game.  I had expected Hanover to try and penetrate rather than continue to kick out to the perimeter (and, continued to miss open shots).   ... And, I don't expect Hanover to shoot treys for 19% against IWU.

I was not at the game, but listening to Hanover broadcasters it sure seemed like Hanover made fouls on plays in the paint when Elmhurst had beaten their man to the basket.  Something you don't do against Elmhurst who will make an oppenent pay at the line (and did).

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on December 06, 2005, 08:20:27 AM
ANYBODY who goes on the road has to expect a few calls will not go their way.  For the most part, that is very normal for every team.  I'm sure Elmhurst got screwed on a few calls at Platteville and Hope.  I'm sure Hanover's opponents have been screwed over a few times down at there place.  I'm also sure that Beitzel (spelling?) will not complain or place blame on anybody else but him and his team.  For that reason along with many others, that's why he is a helluva coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 06, 2005, 12:08:21 PM
How will Bluffton do this season?? Anyone have any news on them.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2005, 09:58:39 AM
southofoac:
If you're still interested a week after you asked the question ... I'm cautiously optimistic about the season.  Bluffton's 5-1 record tells part of the story.  Their wins have not come against D3 powerhouses (Earlham, Heidelberg, ...), but the thing that has impressed me so far is that, in past seasons, I have observed that Bluffton tended to play barely well enough to beat these same opponents (and sometimes to lose to them).  This year, they have won with margins of victory have ranged from 10 to 23 points.  Their one loss (by one point) was a game in which neither team played well; I hope we don't have more games like that one.

Not sure what to expect of the rest of their non-conf schedule.  I don't anticipate difficulties with Marygrove and IU East, and I don't know what to expect from Notre Dame College. Carnegie Mellon on January 2 is currently 9-0, and getting votes in the d3hoops poll.  They might also be challenged in the second round of their Holiday tournament (vs. either Millikin of Tiffin).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 14, 2005, 10:33:33 PM
I watched the guy play at Denison and was impressed.  I agree with Nester, that in past years some of the teams that they are taking care of easily, may have been a struggle in the past.  The thing is with this team, is that Denison held Bergman below 10 points but Sweet and Anthony stepped up and played well...These guys hustle more then a lot of teams in the past at Bluffton.  Hopefully they continue this streak they are on and continue it into the conference.  Be nice to see these guys vie for the title this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on December 19, 2005, 01:46:14 PM
Anyone see Franklin this year... I know Earlham and Franklin plays tonight.  They have played good teams well and played bad against bad teams.. just wondering on insight about Franklin...  Earlham has 3 players that usually show up every night... and it all depends on what 2 or 3 other guys do when they play.

6'6 Brandon Miller  13.4 ppg 9.4 rebound (heck of an athlete... not shooting from the field what he is capable of)
6'6 Markcous Jewett  16.4 ppg (loves to score... his D is another story.)
6'0 LaRon Henry  14. 8 ppg  13-19 from 3pt land. (solid all the way around)

They have 3 starters that are  37-64 from three pointers which is  57%.  They are not very deep... but if they come to play can hang and beat anyone one on any given night... just depends on what team shows up.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on December 20, 2005, 10:24:44 PM
I have been to almost all the Franklin games so far including the game last night at Earlham. They are better than advertised as the freshman have stepped up. They also have a d-1 transfer coming in Jan from Indiana State.  Nick Kane is virtually unguardable one on one. He had 36 and 17 last night to go with 6 blocked shots. Only Lye of Hanover should even garner any conference MVP votes this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 31, 2005, 12:24:53 PM
FCALUM:

Any word on what has happened to Kane in the last two games (12 minutes/2 points, then 3 minutes/5 points)?  Is he injured, or fighting the flu, or something else?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on December 31, 2005, 05:07:11 PM
Kane landed on someone's foot last night and never returned. He was on crutches for the second half. I don't know if it's a twist or a sprained ankle.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2006, 09:23:32 PM
There is one less undefeated team in D3 hoops tonight:

Bluffton 96
Carnegie Mellon 83

For Bluffton:  Bergman 26, Anthony 16, Schwieterman 15*, Sweet 13, Reucher 10*. (*career high)

CMU: Barlow-Wilcox 27, Maurer 19, Straub 15. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 02, 2006, 09:45:37 PM
Wow--Bluffton moves to 10-1, the only blemish a one-point loss to some non-D3 team.  Whaddya think, nesterd, are the Bison for real? 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2006, 10:13:16 PM
David:

Not too sure about the Bison ???.  This year's Beaver squad, however  ;), is the best I've seen -- watching them since 1984.

Bluffton took the lead for good at the 16:23 mark in the first half, but they had to hold off several strong runs by the Tartans, who got as close as 4 with 6 minutes remaining before the Beavers pulled away.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PowerBall on January 02, 2006, 10:43:57 PM
Looks like Bluffton had the hometown refs show up.  The disparity in fouls and foul shots in the second half is appalling.  26 - 5.  Overall they've gotten to the freethrow line +100 times more than their opponent this season alone.  Either they go in looking to draw fouls or they've got a great ref program in the Heartland conference? :P
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 02, 2006, 10:47:11 PM
Quote from: nesterd on January 02, 2006, 10:13:16 PM
David:

Not too sure about the Bison ???.  This year's Beaver squad, however  ;), is the best I've seen -- watching them since 1984.

Oops.  :-[  Not sure what I was thnking.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2006, 11:06:39 PM
Quote from: PowerBall on January 02, 2006, 10:43:57 PM
Looks like Bluffton had the hometown refs show up.  The disparity in fouls and foul shots in the second half is appalling.  26 - 5.

Can't speak for all the games, but (IMO) the fouls tonight were not too far off--there were a few missed calls (BOTH ways), but a large part of the difference came down to the style of play:  Bluffton drove to the basket and got fouled on the way in, while many of CMU's buckets were open shots.  Three of CMU's 5 second-half FTs, and 3 of their 7 first-half FTs, were of the "and-1" variety, while ALL of BU's were two shots (or one-and-one).  Also bear in mind that the Beavers shot 10 or so FTs in the closing minutes when CMU was trying to stop the clock.

A CMU fan -- and perhaps even an unbiased observer of the game -- might differ with my opinion.  But I wouldn't assume that the stats tell the whole story by themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 03, 2006, 12:09:59 PM
Spartan fans:

Is Jamaal Wade injured?  He's on the roster, but hasn't played at all this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 04, 2006, 09:46:51 PM
My question about Wade was answered by the removal of his name from MC's roster this afternoon.

Beavers held off the Spartans this evening; final score 68-50.  The Spartans took a 30-29 lead late in the first half, but Bluffton scored the last 5 points of the first half and the first 10 or so of the second half to push the lead to double-digits, and kept it there the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 04, 2006, 09:53:52 PM
I see the other scores have been posted at the HCAC site:
Anderson over MSJ, 74-69
Transylvania over Defiance, 54-47
Hanover over Franklin, 70-64

Transy wins on the road, the other winners were at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 04, 2006, 09:59:45 PM
Darryl,  I wanted to listen to the game, but glad to see that they are still rolling along.  How did they look tonight, a 20 point win, notes they must've played prettywell.  I'm hoping to get to watch them soon, are they home SAturday?  My brother plays at 1 I believe so be nice if I could get over and watch them.  nonetheless, hopefully they will continue playing well.  Who in the conference is up this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 04, 2006, 10:11:09 PM
Rod:
The Beavers travel to Hanover Saturday; they are home the next three Wednesdays, and then the next three Saturdays (beginning with the last Saturday of January).

MC challenged early -- the Spartans rallied from a 9-point deficit to take that 30-29 lead I mentioned earlier, but the defense clamped down and went on an 18-0 run over the next 6 minutes.

It looks like Hanover and Transy will be tough again this year; Franklin was off to a good start, but has lost their last three (to solid teams, including Hanover).  Not sure what to say about AU, MSJ, DC, MC; they seem to be down somewhat, but I expect they'll all play tough in conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 11, 2006, 09:46:19 PM
I feel like I'm talking to myself here, but I'll pass along what I know on the off-chance that someone is actually reading this out there ...

Bluffton over Franklin, 93-88
Kane: 32 points and pile of rebounds (won't know that number until the stats are posted).
Bergman: 43 points, including 9/12 shooting from 3-point range.

Beavers led the whole second half; the five-point final margin was as close as FC got (it came on a trey by Jace Redman with 2 seconds remaining).  Bluffton hit 19/22 free throws in the second half.

I also see on the scoreboard that MSJ beat Transy 86-77.  Any reports on HC @ AU or MC @ DC?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2006, 10:17:50 PM
Darryl:

I don't have much to say, but I appreciate the updates.

So you're at least talking to one person. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 11, 2006, 10:19:42 PM
Darryl.

Sounded like a good one, wish I could've watched it.  My brother had a game tonight so watched that.  How did the rest of the guys do?   I'll be up there for the alumni game will probably be the next game I get to see, that will be against Transy I believe.  

So is BU now in 1st in the HCAC or is there a tie?  Well I'm glad that these guys are playing this well together, coach deserves a good team after all these years.

Well hopefully they can continue this streak and keep it rollin...Anyone can sneak up on them if their not ready.  
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CouldaBen on January 11, 2006, 10:33:07 PM
Darryl,

It appears there are new lights in the gym.   However, it could be an illusion - as the Noise Meter is missing, and perhaps the wattage increased as the Noise Meter has been retired.

Where, OH WHERE has thou NOISE METER gone, Darryl?!?!?!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 11, 2006, 10:35:22 PM
Rod and Gordon:

Thanks for giving me someone to talk to.

WIth Transy losing (and, I've since seen, HC and DC winning), the Beavers are alone at the top of the HCAC (3-0), followed by HC and TU (2-1), and the rest sitting at 1-2.

Eric Sweet had 18 tonight, Schwieterman 11, Anthony 9. Bergman and Sweet each had 7 boards; Schwieterman had 9 assists.

Now that the stats are posted, I can also report that Nick Kane had 11 boards.  Also, I'll add congratulations to Nick, as I see that his 32 points tied his career high (which he posted at Bluffton 2 years ago).

CouldaBen-- Yes, I think they have replaced the lights.  I'm not sure where the Scream Machine went to; it was taken down to make room for the new scoreboard.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 11, 2006, 10:35:39 PM
That noise meter was the best thing in that gym before they took that out...

we all had a moment of silence before as they were taking it off the wall...but I think the scoreboards and light are an alright addition
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on January 11, 2006, 10:38:37 PM
Thanks for the updates guys -- HCAC needs to get some more posters on here
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2006, 11:37:59 PM
I'm reading, too, Darryl, and I thank you.  I can't really contribute anything this year, since I'm a couple of thousand miles away, down in SoCal, so I appreciate being kept up to date!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 12, 2006, 01:56:26 AM
Yes, gentlemen, by all means keep the updates coming. The HCAC is too good of a league to have such a silent Posting Up room.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on January 13, 2006, 05:59:45 PM
I'm going to go watch the Transy vs. Bluffton game tomorrow and was just curious if anyone could give me just a quick run down about the two teams.  Obviously, I can look up the stats and everything but just any other info tha you think would be good to know for someone who has only lived in the land of the CCIW and is seeing a HCAC team for the first time. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 14, 2006, 08:23:28 AM
augie_superfan:  I cannot tell you much about Transy -- in fact, nothing you cannot learn from reading their stats.

For Bluffton:  Lately, it's been the Scott Bergman show (although I am not complaining about that show -- it's quite enjoyable!).  But a few other players to watch (aside from Bergman, Sweet and Anthony):

Eric Schwieterman has, in the last several games, started to drive to the basket and take shots, along with his ball-handling jobs.  Against CMU, he had a career-high 15, after his previous career-high had been 8.  Against Franklin, he scored 11, including some stylish layups.  (With his height, though, he was also on the wrong end of one or two Nick Kane blocks.)

Darren Clark has not taken many shots in the last couple of games (none against Franklin), but can be dangerous from three-point range.

Off the bench, Cunningham, Heil, Patch, Reuscher, and Juenger have been key contributors.  Juenger is still not back at full strength after an ankle injury in preseason.

All I've got time for right now -- hope it's useful.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 14, 2006, 08:32:22 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 14, 2006, 08:23:28 AM
augie_superfan:  I cannot tell you much about Transy -- in fact, nothing you cannot learn from reading their stats.

Don't give them open looks on the perimiter and don't get bullied and pushed around in the paint and they are very beatable.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on January 14, 2006, 05:28:45 PM
Well I just got back from the Transy/Bluffton game.  What a game it was.  Transy controlled most of the game but Bluffton clawed back at the end and the final score was:

Bluffton   67
Transy    70

The difference maker in this game was Transy's ability to knock down the open 3....they finished 13-21 on the game.  Also, the Bluffton big men, especially Sweet, were in foul trouble all game which created mismatches inside.  Sweet seemed to get a pretty raw deal today with a few cheap fouls.  Also, he had 3 fouls late in the second half and Bergman fouled a shooter and the refs charge Sweet with the foul.  He then fouled out minutes later with really only his 4th foul.  It was really bad and the refs didn't even take the time to huddle up and get it right.

Bluffton rallied towards the end of the game to get within 1 and they had the ball, about 25 seconds left.  Bergman had the ball and just brough it up and shot a contested 3 with about 10 seconds left.  He missed and then Bluffton fouled.  I think it was Searle who went to the line and hit 2 free throws to make it 70-67.  Bluffton had used their last timeout before the 2 free throws to set up a play.  Not much of one.  Bergman got it inbounds with about 5 seconds left while the other 4 players sat around and watched him bring the ball up the court and shoot a 3 with 3 defenders on him. 

But that was quite a great game.  If Sweet was not in foul trouble all night, I think that this game would've gone Bluffton's way. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2006, 11:15:13 AM
augie_superfan:

Thanks for the report.  A disappointing loss for the Beavers ... but it's pretty hard to complain about having only 2 losses, by a total of 4 points, at this point in the season.



Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on January 16, 2006, 01:47:25 PM
Now that the 1/14 games have concluded, the HCAC appears up for grabs. While Bluffton has the early lead, Franklin has gotten both the Hanover and Bluffton road games behind them.  Transy, Franklin, Hanover, and Bluffton appear headed for a fight to the finish.

I was at the FC/Anderson game at FC on 1/14. JD Clampitt is a machine. 41 points. The guy rarely misses.  At this point he is on my first team along with Kane, Lye, and Bergman.  No sure who the other player is.

I will say this.....Clampitt carried the entire team the whole way and kept them in it until the end when he fouled out.

As a note to an earlier post, Kane had 36 at Earlham, the 32 must be his HCAC carreer best. He had 27 against Anderson.  I have not seen anybody in the HCAC who can guard him one on one.



Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2006, 02:19:06 PM
FCALUM_84:

Regarding Nick's career-high -- I had taken the 32 point number from the player profile information at FC's web site; I realized later that he'd improved on that number this season.

Bluffton has had their road games at Hanover and Transy, but the trip to Franklin will no doubt be a tough one.  (And as Transy found out last Wednesday, you cannot take ANY road game for granted.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 16, 2006, 04:04:47 PM
AUgie I was listening to the game and they were talking about that foul towards the end of the game, and they was saying Sweet wasn't even near the play...Sometimes it takes breaks like those to win games, and it sounded like this one was a very good game to watch. 

Darryl, it would be hard to complain about those 2 losses by 4 pts...tough to lose those two games by such a little margin.   3 of the next 4 being at home hopefully will help push these guys up in the standings and maybe gain a little bit of a lead. 

How have the home crowds been Darryl, the attendance says it's like 450, I know that can't be possible.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2006, 04:46:16 PM
Rod:

Taking "attendance" is pretty much an activity in estimation -- we look around and try to come up with a ballpark figure.  Last Wednesday, the gym was pretty full (it was the first home game of the new semester; students had not been around since mid-December, so there was a fair amount of excitement).  I'd be inclined to say that 450 was a reasonable guess -- but since I was in on the process that ended with that estimate, I'm not an unbiased judge.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 16, 2006, 04:52:49 PM
The new top 25 poll is out:

Transy moves up to #22
Bluffton slips off the back end by a scant 3 votes, to occupy the effective #26 position
Hanover returns to a few ballots after a one-week absence; the Panthers had been in the top 25 for 52 consecutive polls before dropping out of the poll altogether last week.  They have received votes in 86 of the 101 polls in the hostory of the D3hoops.com poll--the 6th best team in this category in D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 17, 2006, 09:30:21 AM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on January 16, 2006, 01:47:25 PM

I will say this.....Clampitt carried the entire team the whole way and kept them in it until the end when he fouled out.






In your opinion a block or a charge?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 17, 2006, 01:58:18 PM
ya, but how about the mount upsetting Trany? does that deserve anything?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 17, 2006, 06:36:34 PM
Quote from: M and L on January 17, 2006, 01:58:18 PM
ya, but how about the mount upsetting Trany? does that deserve anything?

key, that game was at Mount.  the road is tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on January 17, 2006, 07:02:34 PM
at the crackerbox they call a gym in anderson, clampitt would have still been playing, but at home Kane gets the call
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 17, 2006, 07:23:07 PM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on January 17, 2006, 07:02:34 PM
at the crackerbox they call a gym in anderson, clampitt would have still been playing, but at home Kane gets the call

Hey now, AU's gym blows Franklin's out of the water. ;)

BTW, pretty much my thoughts on the call.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 18, 2006, 09:37:57 PM
After watching tonight's game, I understand how MSJ beat Transy last week; they did it to Bluffton tonight.

MSJ 105, Bluffton 93
Derrick Jones 28, Marcus Smith 24 for MSJ
Sweet 26, Anthony 20, Bergman 16.

MSJ hit 11 treys in the first half (15 for the game, from 9 different players). They also guarded Bergman well all night -- he only had 4 in the first half, and didn't hit his second bucket until about 7:45 left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 18, 2006, 09:42:54 PM
Wow -- tough night for the home teams tonight; road wins all around.  Transy won at Hanover to take sole possession of the conference lead, 4-1.
Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, and MSJ are tied for second at 3-2.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 18, 2006, 11:22:51 PM
Since I have funny administrative privilages because I am the technical starter of this board and I have a 3000+ posts :-[ , this poll is a free one for Darryl Nester, so he doesn't feel so alone.  ;) :-* :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 18, 2006, 11:26:17 PM
Zing!  Diehard plays the academic card on our friends from Ohio!   :o ;D

Looks like a wacky year in the HCAC; too bad (for me) that I can't be around to see it this year.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 18, 2006, 11:34:18 PM
It's true, I am getting pretty fiesty in my old age.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on January 20, 2006, 10:27:49 AM
2 big home games upcoming for Franklin. (MSJ on Sat and Transy next Wed) If they can win both they will be in first place (possibly tied) but will have road games left with Transy and Bluffton. If Franklin loses one or both they realistically have no shot the rest of the way.

Franklin doesn't get the press that Transy and Hanover get (need to get back to the NCAA). I for one am not impressed with Hanover this year. They certainly should not be getting top 25 votes. MSJ may be the conference sleeper and certainly are the wild card.  Bluffton is not as good as their record shows. Barely beat Franklin at home and lost to MSJ. They are on the brink of being swept back into the pack.  Transy appears to be quietly rising to the top of the heap.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 20, 2006, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on January 20, 2006, 10:27:49 AM
2 big home games upcoming for Franklin. (MSJ on Sat and Transy next Wed) If they can win both they will be in first place (possibly tied) but will have road games left with Transy and Bluffton. If Franklin loses one or both they realistically have no shot the rest of the way.

Franklin doesn't get the press that Transy and Hanover get (need to get back to the NCAA). I for one am not impressed with Hanover this year. They certainly should not be getting top 25 votes. MSJ may be the conference sleeper and certainly are the wild card.  Bluffton is not as good as their record shows. Barely beat Franklin at home and lost to MSJ. They are on the brink of being swept back into the pack.  Transy appears to be quietly rising to the top of the heap.

If you guys can keep a shooter hot you have a great shot to win both those games.  Play solid perimiter D against Mount and you should beat them anyways.   

Get a look at Bluffton tommorow; still not sold on them.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ItsWhatever on January 21, 2006, 01:42:42 AM
wouldn't you say that's how you can beat any team is to play solid perimeter D?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 21, 2006, 11:52:09 AM
Quote from: ItsWhatever on January 21, 2006, 01:42:42 AM
wouldn't you say that's how you can beat any team is to play solid perimeter D?

um, some teams don't have great shooters.  Not to many in the HCAC without at least one good one though.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 21, 2006, 01:23:53 PM
Quote from: ItsWhatever on January 21, 2006, 01:42:42 AM
wouldn't you say that's how you can beat any team is to play solid perimeter D?

You could play solid perimeter D against Wittenberg and lose by 40, no sweat.  They'd just use the perimeter as an access point for their inside game.  If you can't deny the entry, you can't beat Wittenberg.  Maybe there's some HCAC teams where that is also the case?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ItsWhatever on January 21, 2006, 08:46:34 PM
did anyone go to the games today? if so...what were your thoughts on the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 21, 2006, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: ItsWhatever on January 21, 2006, 08:46:34 PM
did anyone go to the games today? if so...what were your thoughts on the game?

I was at the AU/Bluffton game.

Not impressed with Bluffton.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on January 22, 2006, 02:50:47 AM
I attended the FC and MSJ tilt at Franklin. MSJ was outplayed nearly the entire 40 minutes and lost by 18. MSJ (in my opinion) needs to to settle down and play team basketball. While there is some solid individual talent, MSJ as a team appears to be undisciplined on offense (rushing shots, relying too much on transition scoring).

All the conference favorites won this weekend so no change in the HCAC other than the seperation of the haves from the have nots.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2006, 09:10:52 AM
I took a few days off to hang some drywall, and suddenly the room is abuzz with activity.

Thanks for the poll, diehardfan.  (How'd you know last Wednesday was my birthday?)

Thanks also to the voters (all 7 of 'em) who've expressed appreciation for my "hard work."  Actually, reading/posting here is what I do to avoid doing work.

AUStudent:  Granted, the Beavers have not looked great in their last two outings ... but we have lost two starters to injuries.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 23, 2006, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2006, 09:10:52 AM


AUStudent:  Granted, the Beavers have not looked great in their last two outings ... but we have lost two starters to injuries.



You still have your two best players, who basically win games for you.  Sweet did a great job keeping you in it in the 1st half.  But Bergman had a bad day which is probaly why you guys didn't look that great.

The 2nd half was brutal though, the refs got way to whistle happy.  On both ends.  Both teams in the double bonus with 12 minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ItsWhatever on January 23, 2006, 07:48:11 PM
what's everybodys predictions for wednesday?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 23, 2006, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: ItsWhatever on January 23, 2006, 07:48:11 PM
what's everybodys predictions for wednesday?

AU
Bluffton
Franklin
Hanover
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 23, 2006, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2006, 09:10:52 AM

Thanks for the poll, diehardfan.  (How'd you know last Wednesday was my birthday?)

Thanks also to the voters (all 7 of 'em) who've expressed appreciation for my "hard work."  Actually, reading/posting here is what I do to avoid doing work.

was it really your birthday??  :o

and you're welcome, it was rather entertaining to make!  :D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2006, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 23, 2006, 08:37:11 PM

was it really your birthday??  :o

and you're welcome, it was rather entertaining to make!  :D ;)

Yes, it was ... as a reminder of that occasion, I trip over the balloons in my office every time I enter and leave.  (Those balloons have fared considerably better than the one  I took home for my kids to play with.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2006, 09:56:03 PM
Transy, Bluffton, MSJ, and Manchester win.

How did Manchester come up with an 80-48 win over AU?  I never would have seen that coming.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 26, 2006, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2006, 09:56:03 PM
Transy, Bluffton, MSJ, and Manchester win.

How did Manchester come up with an 80-48 win over AU?  I never would have seen that coming.

the score says it all
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ItsWhatever on January 26, 2006, 03:22:19 PM
why didn't Rogers play?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ItsWhatever on January 26, 2006, 03:23:36 PM
how does MSJ beat Transy, Bluffton, and Hanover but lose to Anderson and Manchester?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampson on January 26, 2006, 04:51:46 PM
Does anyone no why Brian Chrin did not play in the game against MSJ?  Hanover appears to be struggling this year.  I have seen them twice and they play defense like a normal Hanover team, but they do not have the scoring that Hanover has had in the recent past.  They look very slow with their offense and as a former player it is not because of coaching.  I am not sure they have anybody that can create for the other people on the floor, so all the players are very stagnant on the offensive end.  Anyone else have any thoughts on Hanover this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ItsWhatever on January 26, 2006, 10:29:17 PM
Chrin has the flu.  As far as their team...I don't think they have the shooters this year like they've had in the past.  It's a lot easier to guard post players since they can't kick out to shooters like McCracken and Moore anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 28, 2006, 05:19:22 PM
HC over Bluffton 86-78.  Dawson had 34 for the Panthers, which I have to assume is a career high for him, seeing how he had only 68 points for the season coming into today.  The Panthers survived in spite of shooting 8/20 from the free throw line in the second half.

Bergman had 32 for Bluffton, and Darren Clark had a career-high 25.  Only three other Beavers scored in the contest: Sweet 9 (fouled out midway through the second half), Schwieterman 6, Patch 6.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on January 28, 2006, 06:38:02 PM
Transylvania at Anderson  Transylvania, 85-68 
  Hanover at Bluffton  Hanover, 86-78 
  Franklin at Defiance  Franklin, 66-59 
  Manchester at Mt. St. Joseph  Mt. St. Joseph, 74-71 

transy takes the 2 game lead over the field with the schedule favoring the leaders the next two games. Unless someone steps up the conference tournament is heading for Lexington, KY.  Franklin has them on the ropes last wekk and let them back  in it.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 28, 2006, 07:20:54 PM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on January 28, 2006, 06:38:02 PM
Transylvania at Anderson  Transylvania, 85-68 
  Hanover at Bluffton  Hanover, 86-78 
  Franklin at Defiance  Franklin, 66-59 
  Manchester at Mt. St. Joseph  Mt. St. Joseph, 74-71 

transy takes the 2 game lead over the field with the schedule favoring the leaders the next two games. Unless someone steps up the conference tournament is heading for Lexington, KY.  Franklin has them on the ropes last wekk and let them back  in it.

Transy, a group of really smart basketball players that understand the game really well; that shoot the ball well.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 28, 2006, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on January 28, 2006, 06:38:02 PM
Transylvania at Anderson  Transylvania, 85-68 
  Hanover at Bluffton  Hanover, 86-78 
  Franklin at Defiance  Franklin, 66-59 
  Manchester at Mt. St. Joseph  Mt. St. Joseph, 74-71 

transy takes the 2 game lead over the field with the schedule favoring the leaders the next two games. Unless someone steps up the conference tournament is heading for Lexington, KY.  Franklin has them on the ropes last wekk and let them back  in it.

Whatever happened to homecourt advantage in the HCAC?  ???  What a wacky year this has been.  I'd sure like to see Transylvania make a deep run in March (so long as they don't beat Wooster, that is!  :))
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ItsWhatever on January 28, 2006, 07:34:11 PM
How does everyone think Transy will do against MSJ on Wednesday.  MSJ is the only team to beat them thus far.  Do you think they can do it again?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on January 29, 2006, 08:13:35 AM
MSJ stand no real chance. Transy is hitting on all cylinders now. MSJ cannot play offense for 25-30 seconds nor defense and Transy will force the game to be played in the 60's if possible.  Franklin has the best group to match-up but the expereince of starting 4 seniors and a junior plus 2 seniors off the bench will prove too much.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ItsWhatever on January 31, 2006, 11:12:55 AM
Yeah the first game Transy had trouble guarding MSJ off the dribble and if they fail to do it again it should make out to be a real interesting game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PioneerHoopafan07 on January 31, 2006, 11:37:19 AM
You are right they did have trouble guarding MSJ, I believe that will not happen this time though. Transy is out for blood and MSJ is to streaky to hang with Transy and their style of ball. I cant wait to go to the game and watch transy beat up on MSJ!! GO TRANSY!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on February 02, 2006, 10:31:45 AM
Anyone know the status of Nick Rogers of Anderson? Is he injured or not on the team. He has not played in the last 2-3 games. Nick is an all-state D1 transfer 6'9" center. Without him the Ravens have no real chance. Clampitt can only carry them so far by himself.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2006, 03:32:18 PM
I don't know his status but perhaps the person who announced his transfer in September knows something and will come post again.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on February 06, 2006, 11:13:19 AM
Nick Rogers is out with illness according to the press release on the Anderson website.

"Leading scorer J.D. Clampitt finished with seven points and nine rebounds while second leading scorer and top rebounder Nick Rogers missed his fourth straight game with an illness."
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 08, 2006, 02:01:46 PM
so is it to early to talk about an all conference team yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 08, 2006, 02:03:01 PM
It is hard to have home court advantage when no one goes to the games
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 11, 2006, 10:53:33 PM
Well it looks like the game of the year will now be in Transy Wensday night when Franklin comes to town.  If, Franklin wins and Transy and Franklin end up tied, Transy gets the #1 seed if Hanover finishes 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 11, 2006, 10:54:18 PM
However, if tied and Mount was third, Franklin gets the #1 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on February 12, 2006, 08:43:56 AM
AU student is correct. All Transy has to do is win one game to get the #1 seed regardless if Franklin wins out due to their 2-0 record against Hanover.  Hats off to Franklin who just might be the hottest team coming into the tourney. It will still be tough to beat Transy in Lexington especially with the 6 seniors in the 7 man rotation.  By my calculations Franklin has locked up either a 2 or 3 seed which would keep them away from Transy if they make the semi finals (a likely rematch with Hanover).

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 12, 2006, 10:39:21 AM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on February 12, 2006, 08:43:56 AM
AU student is correct. All Transy has to do is win one game to get the #1 seed regardless if Franklin wins out due to their 2-0 record against Hanover.  Hats off to Franklin who just might be the hottest team coming into the tourney. It will still be tough to beat Transy in Lexington especially with the 6 seniors in the 7 man rotation.  By my calculations Franklin has locked up either a 2 or 3 seed which would keep them away from Transy if they make the semi finals (a likely rematch with Hanover).



The schedule does Franklin no favors though in the last week.  It is nice that they get a shot at beating Transy, however the Transy/Hanover finish is a tough one.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on February 16, 2006, 12:41:27 PM
Barring unlikely upsets the top seeds are now set for next week's conference tournament. Transy comes in at 1 and FC/Hanover will get the 2/3 seeds depending on who wins Sat at Franklin. Transy by virtue of homecourt is the favorite with Franklin a close second. Hanover has won some games but is not near the force it has been the last 2 seasons.

FC blew a nine point second half lead at Transy last night and it cost them the top seed.  That is the second time that Franklin has blown a decent lead to Transy and lost this season. Maybe the third time will be the charm if both meet in the final on 2/18.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 16, 2006, 05:23:52 PM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on February 16, 2006, 12:41:27 PM
Barring unlikely upsets the top seeds are now set for next week's conference tournament. Transy comes in at 1 and FC/Hanover will get the 2/3 seeds depending on who wins Sat at Franklin. Transy by virtue of homecourt is the favorite with Franklin a close second. Hanover has won some games but is not near the force it has been the last 2 seasons.

FC blew a nine point second half lead at Transy last night and it cost them the top seed.  That is the second time that Franklin has blown a decent lead to Transy and lost this season. Maybe the third time will be the charm if both meet in the final on 2/18.

Get it done Sat. over Hanover.

Thanks ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on February 22, 2006, 12:48:30 PM
The stage is set in Lexington.  #2 Seed Franklin takes on #6 Bluffton at 6 with #1 Transy and #4 Mount St Joseph in the 8 pm tilt. Bluffton upset #3 Hanover at Hanover last night. This is a mild upset as Hanover is not that good this year coupled with the ridiculous platoon substitution patterns from coach Beitzel. (over 100 substitutions made at Franklin last Saturday)

Assuming the the top 2 teams win, a FC/Transy championship will occur Sat eve at 7:30 in Lexington. Should be a good battle.

I attended the FC/Anderson game last night in Franklin and the Ravens gave FC a tough battle before falling apart in the last five minutes to lose by 14. The Raven 2-3 zone and slowdown worked for most of the game.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 22, 2006, 04:31:52 PM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on February 22, 2006, 12:48:30 PM
The stage is set in Lexington.  #2 Seed Franklin takes on #6 Bluffton at 6 with #1 Transy and #4 Mount St Joseph in the 8 pm tilt. Bluffton upset #3 Hanover at Hanover last night. This is a mild upset as Hanover is not that good this year coupled with the ridiculous platoon substitution patterns from coach Beitzel. (over 100 substitutions made at Franklin last Saturday)

Assuming the the top 2 teams win, a FC/Transy championship will occur Sat eve at 7:30 in Lexington. Should be a good battle.

I attended the FC/Anderson game last night in Franklin and the Ravens gave FC a tough battle before falling apart in the last five minutes to lose by 14. The Raven 2-3 zone and slowdown worked for most of the game.



Clampitt doesn't shoot terrible and it is a different game.

Congrats you guys hit some big shots, the 3 with the shot clock expiering and 2 big 3s from Redman.  Good Luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2006, 12:41:24 AM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on February 22, 2006, 12:48:30 PM
The stage is set in Lexington.  #2 Seed Franklin takes on #6 Bluffton at 6 with #1 Transy and #4 Mount St Joseph in the 8 pm tilt.

Transy and MSJ split in the regular season.  The Pioneers won 3 weeks ago in Lex, 73-59, avenging an earlier defeat in Cinti, 86-77.

Franklin and Bluffton also split, with Bluffton winning a close one at home, 93-88, before being spanked 83-59 at Franklin.

Oddly enough, these matchups were on the same days: the earlier games (in Ohio) on Jan. 11, and the later games (in not-Ohio) on Feb. 1.

Quote from: FCALUM_84 on February 22, 2006, 12:48:30 PMAssuming the the top 2 teams win, a FC/Transy championship will occur Sat eve at 7:30 in Lexington. Should be a good battle.

Should that occur, the slight edge would go to Transy, which swept Franklin in close games, winning 75-69 at Franklin (1/25) and 74-70 at Lex (2/15).

Other possible title matches:
* Transy vs. Bluffton:  Transy 2-0 (70-67 at TU 1/14, 84-62 at BU 2/4)
* MSJ vs. Bluffton: MSJ 2-0 (105-93 at BU 1/18, 65-63 at MSJ 2/8)
* MSJ vs. Franklin: Franklin 2-0 (93-77 at FC 1/21, 81-70 at MSJ 2/11)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 24, 2006, 02:06:25 PM
hey does any know the score of the MSJ Tranny Score?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: M and L on February 24, 2006, 02:06:25 PM
hey does any know the score of the MSJ Tranny Score?

Right now, it's...let me see...0-0 with 40:00 left.   ;D

Seriously, though, if I have the time zone conversions right, the Franklin/Bluffton game tips in about an hour, with Transy and MSJ to follow.

Update:  Franklin wipes out Bluffton, 88-66, to advance to the HCAC finals tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2006, 10:48:49 PM
In the other semifinal, Transy holds off MSJ 83-79.  MSJ led by 11 at the 4:57 mark, but Transy came roraing back with a 17-1 run over the next 4:23, including making 4 consecutive threes, to steal the game from the Lions.  Sounds like it was a great finish.

Box score and play-by-play are available here (http://www.cybersportsusa.com/webgames/webgame.asp?File=../livegames/game/TUMSJ0224068pm.asp).

Transy vs. Franklin tomorrow night for the conference title and automatic tournament berth.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 25, 2006, 09:03:53 PM
Transylvania takes the title, 63-48.  The Pioneers put 4 into double figures, led by Searle and Finke with 14 apiece.  Franklin got 19 from Kane and 17 from Ray, but just 12 combined from everyone else, and that was their downfall.

Congratulations to the Pioneers, and good luck in the tournament!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on February 25, 2006, 09:11:28 PM
This game was all Transy all day long...I think they could be a very dangerous team to have to play in the postseason.  Good luck Transy
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on February 27, 2006, 10:15:26 PM
Any Transy fans here?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 28, 2006, 11:10:59 AM
Looks like Transy gets a couple home games, assuming they win.

They open with Bethany who was 23-4.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 01, 2006, 05:11:33 PM
I didn't think Transy had the capacity to host but I didn't choose the sites. Park downtown and take a cab if you go. Unless it has changed recently street parking in certain areas around campus can be a risk.

And no I'm not the first Transy poster.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on March 01, 2006, 05:19:09 PM
No parking for me...just a nice stroll down the street to the game.  Transy is very small...only 1200 seats.  It is a pretty new place and very nice but awfully small.  I guess it means that the other 3 schools only get 200 tickets a piece.  Not a very good situation for all involved.  Hey, atleast they aren't playing at York (Pa.)...that place only holds 800.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 05:30:36 PM
And that's 800 who take a deep breath before walking in. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 01, 2006, 05:31:28 PM
Is Indis Chicken still around ?? It was Ritchies prior to that.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on March 01, 2006, 08:11:03 PM
Yeah, but I've never been there
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 01, 2006, 09:19:40 PM
 :o You need to change that and soon. I don't know what their pricing is now but a few years ago you could get 18 wings and wedges for about $3. It's a double edged sword though. So hot you can't stand it but so good you can't stop eating it either. That goes for all their chicken, not just the wings. Have plenty to drink and since you'll be a first timer, do it when you don't have to work the next day. There is a recovery time involved. It's hot coming and going in other words.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on March 01, 2006, 09:22:33 PM
haha...I will have to check that out Roop...thanks for the heads-up!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 01, 2006, 09:25:01 PM
There's a three second delay. Wow, man is this ever good. Then. OMG WOW, it's hot it's hot it's hot.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on March 02, 2006, 06:57:59 PM
I'll post this although no one will probably respond from here:

I've got 1 extra ticket for the Friday games @ Transy...e-mail or private message me if you want it.  $6 ticket


Jim
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 02, 2006, 07:09:16 PM
Yesterday I might have taken you up on that deal but it's too late to schedule vacation and make the trip.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on March 02, 2006, 07:15:25 PM
Yeah...my friend cancelled on me just a bit ago...I'm actually surprised that Transy's 600 tickets have not sold out yet
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 02, 2006, 07:22:26 PM
Wow, when I lived in Lexington you had to know somebody to get into a regular season game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2006, 02:42:23 PM
This has gotta be the best room for polls.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on March 03, 2006, 10:34:22 PM
For all those HCAC fans out there....

I shouldn't even waste my time with a long post.  Check the scoreboard for the score.  Transy vs. Wooster tomorrow night.  Wooster shot horribly from 3 tonight so Transy better watch it tomorrow.  Great 2nd half from Transy tonight but the score is fairly inflated b/c Bethany pretty much just ran out of gas the last 10 minutes and seemed to lack a bunch of effort down the stretch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on March 04, 2006, 08:46:13 PM
Transy takes out #5 Wooster
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 04, 2006, 08:50:25 PM
Congratulations to Transylvania on a great win tonight.   :)  Good luck to the Pioneers in a very, very tough sectional this weekend, with at least #2 Hope and #3 Wittenberg, and perhaps #8 Mississippi College.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on March 04, 2006, 08:59:33 PM
I think Mississippi College has won as reported by the board here.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on March 04, 2006, 09:02:09 PM
Wow!!  That was one of the most exciting games I've ever witnessed in my life.  I did not think Transy would be able to keep up with Wooster but they did.  Wooster went cold in the 2nd half and seemed to get very frustrated down the stretch with some of the calls that the officials were making.  Just a great D3 game.  Transy's Marc Bain kept them in the game by scoring 33(?) points...many on NBA 3 pointers.  Congrats Transy!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 05, 2006, 08:53:00 AM
I took a karma hit not long ago by some NCAC folks when I asked how well somebody like a Wooster would do if they got in a bracket where they had to play midwest region teams in the first or second round. Transy is a midwest region team so now we know.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 05, 2006, 06:49:10 PM
Following a great suggestion by TigerFan_1973, I created a new topic in the GL Region for discussing the upcoming games in Springfield.  Saves us from having to post in multiple places.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on March 05, 2006, 07:24:12 PM
Don't worry....no one would be posting here anyways
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Chief on March 05, 2006, 10:20:18 PM
You guys are in for more than you can handle.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 09, 2006, 04:42:13 PM
I absolutely love the poll!!!  I would give karma to whoever posted it if I could figure out who it was
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2006, 05:25:10 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on March 09, 2006, 04:42:13 PM
I absolutely love the poll!!!  I would give karma to whoever posted it if I could figure out who it was

It was Diehardfan.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 09, 2006, 05:32:11 PM
I wish it was, but it wasn't. This one is great deal funnier then my poll taking shots at the OAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2006, 06:45:03 PM
'twas I.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 09, 2006, 07:12:05 PM
And I believe I was the first respondent.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scott_leo on March 10, 2006, 10:28:20 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 10, 2006, 07:52:45 PM
Since there don't seem to be any transy fans to congratulate, I'll pout.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dac1517 on March 10, 2006, 10:31:39 PM
Congrats to Transy on the win tonight!  Would be great to see a HCAC representative at the final four.  I am a Hanover grad, but work with a Witt grad.  Would love to see you take it to them tomorrow.  It would make my Monday much more enjoyable.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 10, 2006, 11:08:32 PM
Okay, so who else read that first sentence, and thought... wow! Is a transy fan posting!?!!!??

Oh well  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on March 11, 2006, 04:38:55 AM
Yeah...I thought that might be a Transy fan for a minute. 

Do we count as Transy fans Roop???

I mean, we are the only ones to post that lived or currently live in Lexington.  Hopefully Transy can win later tonight b/c then I guess I have a real reason to head out to Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on March 11, 2006, 04:46:28 PM
I came here looking for Transy fans since that don't post on the Witt Sectional board under the Great Lakes region.  But from looking at the recent posts, it looks like they don't post here either.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 12, 2006, 01:44:23 AM
I asked diehardfan that question just yesterday. I do not qualify, despite having lived there and posted on the board, because I never actually attended one of their games. You on the other hand might be given certification, although your screen name might be an escape clause or something like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 11:17:22 AM
QuoteBelow is the result of your feedback form.  It was submitted by
Angry Man (angryman@angry.com) on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 11:15:08
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subject1: Site Feedback
Notes: It is absolutely absurd Brian Lane did not get Coach of the Year in the Great
Lakes Region!
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REMOTE_ADDR: 216.248.56.222
HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)

This from my e-mail this morning.

Whomever sent it was too scared to use a real e-mail, otherwise I'd have told them that Transylvania isn't in the Great Lakes region.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on March 15, 2006, 06:14:15 PM
Haha...that is great
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 15, 2006, 09:01:12 PM
True stuff is always funniest.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 05, 2006, 11:22:44 AM
Transy got a great recruit to committ in Matt Parton, the guy lead his team to 3 state tournaments, he will be an impact player immediately for the pioneers, since the state of kentucky is still using smoke signals as its main form of communication i will take on the responsibility of communicating the ideas and thoughts of transy bball, i speak kentuckian, i will translate
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on June 05, 2006, 07:45:18 PM
Wow, an actual Transy poster. I thought you guys were all too busy watching UK and taking your Yorkies for walks in Triangle Park.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2006, 08:08:43 PM
Roop, actually, Matt Grubb is a Maryville TN alum.

Hopefully, he can post for Transy on occasion.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on June 05, 2006, 09:43:01 PM
Yes Ralph, but I think he is the closest thing to a Transy fan that this board has ever had.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 05, 2006, 11:24:20 PM
Quote from: "The Roop" on June 05, 2006, 09:43:01 PM
Yes Ralph, but I think he is the closest thing to a Transy fan that this board has ever had.


Lol... there's a poll up there still and everything  :D

Matt, welcome to this part of the board :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 06, 2006, 12:24:16 AM
One of my favorite cats of all time (some 20-30 years ago) was named Transy.  This was partly because he seemed to be in a trance much of the time, but mainly because he was delightfully 'transsexual'.

When he was a kitten, we were taking his mom and the litter of 6 to the vet (we are generally very careful to have all cats neutered or spayed, but she turned out to be already pregnant when we adopted her).  Somehow, at a gas stop (our preferred vet at the time was 30 miles away), 'mom' jumped out of the car and was never seen again.  Fortunately, the kittens were physically weaned, though apparently not psychologically.  As the biggest (and most mellow) of the kittens, Transy patiently let his 2 brothers and 3 sisters suck on his belly hairs!  For awhile he was named 'Wetbelly', but Transy just seemed to fit him better.

He succumbed way too young to feline leukemia - we adopted THREE littens to take his place.

If this doesn't bring a Transy fan 'out of the closet' (sorry! ;)), it may be hopeless!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 06, 2006, 09:37:07 AM
Two words I never thought I'd see together: delightfully transsexual.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 06, 2006, 01:58:42 PM
Yes, i am now a transy fan, I have always liked coach lane, unfortunately the pioneers graduated a lot of good players, but they are well coached and they will be tough next year, probably not the same results as this year, but they will try

I am not a transexual, but hopefully i can keep you guys up to date with what is going on in Lexington other than Uk, although Tubby will attend a transy game every now and then
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 07, 2006, 06:04:20 PM
Does this indicate that there was only one wnner of the poll - or does a convert not count?! ;)

Greg, in Transy the cat's case, it really was quite endearing (unless, of course, you decided to give him a belly rub at the wrong time!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on June 16, 2006, 12:49:43 PM
Any other recruiting news coming out of the HCAC?

Rose-Hulman has not announced their new class as of yet.

As a side note, I would like to say I am looking forward to a great first year in the HCAC for the Engineers. I also look forward to talking some great hoops with all of you!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 23, 2006, 12:19:29 AM
when was the last time the engineers went to the tournament out of the scac, the heartland is going to be tougher
go pioneers
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 18, 2006, 10:59:21 PM
get ready transy, Matt Parton sets foot on campus labor day weekend, and what is this i hear about a big point guard that is transferring from a D1 school
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on August 31, 2006, 10:13:16 PM
I have heard that Anderson has top 40 player transferring in this year.  Anybody else, have news?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on October 30, 2006, 01:51:22 AM
The 2006-2007 Rose-Hulman Men's Basketball roster has been posted the Engineer website.

Check it out!

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/0607rost.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on October 30, 2006, 01:52:25 AM
Would love to hear some news about any of the other HCAC teams leading up to next month's tip-off to the season!

Anyone got any predictions on how the Conference standings will look this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 30, 2006, 09:24:23 AM
New rosters are up for all but DC and MC.  A few numerical observations:

Hanover has by far the youngest squad: 13 freshmen, 1 sophomore, and 4 juniors.  They lost four seniors to graduation, and lost 4 of their 9 returning players in the offseason.  (Actually, only 1 of those 9 was missing on the 06-07 roster when it was first posted, but 3 more disappeared last week.)

Most significant non-graduation loss: Anderson's 6-9 freshman center Nick Rogers (14.5ppg, 7.9rpg).  He was injured for about half of the conference season, and would certainly have been in the running for Freshman of the Year had he been healthy during that time.  AU has a new 6-9 freshman center on their roster -- don't know how he'll turn out.

Of those with posted rosters, RHIT has the smallest squad in number with 13 (AU and FC have 16 each), but the tallest with an average height of 75.2" (HC is second at 74.6").
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on October 30, 2006, 04:11:31 PM
Good stuff, Darryl.

Tough loss for Anderson. Rogers was a  nice player. I enjoyed watching him a lot.

The projected starting lineup for Rose-Hulman looks to be:

G Jared Moore - 6-2, JR.
G Jason Bednarko, 6-2, SR.
F Lorenzo Rice, 6-4, SOPH.
F Brian Bibb, 6-6, SR.
C David Yarachefski, 6-6, SR.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on October 31, 2006, 05:44:50 PM
Preseason Coaches Poll

1. Franklin (4)
2. Transylvania (3)
3. Hanover
4. Mount St. Joseph (1)
5. Anderson
6. Manchester
7. Defiance
8. Rose-Hulman (1)
9. Bluffton
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 01, 2006, 09:12:40 AM
Check out how close the points are:

1. Franklin (4) -- 72
2. Transylvania (3) -- 63
3. Hanover -- 49
4. Mount St. Joseph (1) -- 39
5. Anderson -- 39
6. Manchester -- 38
7. Defiance -- 36
8. Rose-Hulman (1) -- 35
9. Bluffton -- 34

The bottom 6 teams are essentially in a statistical tie.  For comparison:  The highest and lowest vote totals for the last two years were 62 & 14 (last year) and 57 & 10 (04-05).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on November 01, 2006, 02:18:40 PM
Looks like a pretty balanced league again.  hopefully the Beavers will be alright this year and surprise some people. 

How you been Darryl?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 01, 2006, 04:24:08 PM
Doing all right, RO.  I assume I'll see you at a few games this year ...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 01, 2006, 04:34:23 PM
Should be an interesting season for Rose-Hulman.

Being in the HCAC for the first time and not knowing the team that well, it will be fun to see how they compete against their Midwest Region opponent's.

I guess it will work both ways as well, as most teams in the HCAC won't know a lot about the Engineers, either.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on November 01, 2006, 04:50:55 PM
Good to hear your doing well. 

Yes, I will be at most of the home games this year, I was glad that he got out of there when he did.  Hopefully he will do fine this year and they will continue their winning ways from last year...

Is Rose-Haulman eligible for HCAC play or do they have a provision period?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2006, 10:46:24 PM
They're members immediately.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC hoops on November 04, 2006, 12:24:47 PM
Just want to hear what people think...
Hanover is young.... 5 non-freshmen. they have 4 juniors though that played time last year and as freshmen. Can a solid core of players (2 or 3) make them title contenders?
Anderson does not have Nick Rogers on there roster. Is he playing or not? Clarification
Transy picked up some good recuits... can they get back to the NCAA tourney like last year?
Franklin is pre-season number 1, who all can challenge them for the top spot?
Any other sleepers in the league...
any early MVP canidates....
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 08, 2006, 11:17:09 PM
Anyone want to take a crack at a Pre-Season All HCAC Team?



Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on November 13, 2006, 03:24:59 PM
Darryl,

Heard the boys looked good up in Berea over the weekend.  I don't know if you were there or heard anything, but they won by 4 in their last warm-up before the openers this weekend.  Hopefullt that will bode well for the rest of the season.

Anyone know how Hanover is looking this year?  I haven't talked to Neuman lately.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 14, 2006, 09:35:10 AM
Rod: I also heard about the scrimmage with BW.  A nice performance against the preseason #6 team.

Rose:  There are an awful lot of unknowns for me to attempt a preseason all-conference team, but here are a few thoughts in that direction, mostly just based on last season's stats.

AU -- who knows?  Aside from the five seniors they graduated, they lost their two top freshmen, Nick Rogers (14.5p, 7.9r) and Terry Coleman (6.4p, 4.9r).  Top returning scorer is Nick Cochran (4.0p).  The best I can say is, someone (or several someones) will have to step up this year for AU.

BU -- I could name a lot of people here (I'm more than a bit biased), but I'll just go with Mike Anthony and Eric Schwieterman.

DC -- C.J. Johnson and Anthony Pettaway

FC -- Dustin Marshall and John Neill

HC -- Clint Parker and Robby Brown

MC -- Wes Gardner and Jamaal Wade  (Wade missed last season, but two years he scored 14.8p as a sophomore).

MSJ -- Robbie Noschang and Tony Blomer

TU -- Joey Searle and Joey Verax

RHIT -- I will leave it for someone from Rose to fill in these blanks.

What do others think?  Who do you expect to step up at your school?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 14, 2006, 02:42:12 PM
In terms of potential All-Conference performers from Rose-Hulman, here are a few candidates.......

Jason Bednarko, 6-2, Sr.

Lorenzo Rice, 6-4, Soph.

Jared Moore, 6-3, Jr.



Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 17, 2006, 08:21:41 PM
Bluffton over Cardinal Stritch by 16 points at the North Central (IL) Tourney. Nice outside shooting by numbers 22 and 33. Good floor leadership by #4. Sorry--gotta run--just wanted to give BU fans the score.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 18, 2006, 12:52:44 AM
Rose-Hulman 57, Wabash 50.

Brian Bibb had 14 points and 9 rebounds for the Enginners (1-0).

Rose plays Aurora University tomorrow afternoon for the Championship of the Wabash College Tip-Off Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 18, 2006, 09:57:31 AM
AndOne -- Thanks for the update, even though I'd read the results on the NCC site before checking the board this morning.  Have a karma point  ...

Congrats to Bluffton, RHIT, MSJ, DC, HC, MC, TU, and AU on opening on the plus side.  Good showing by Franklin, losing by 3 at Wheaton.  Altogether, not a bad first night for the conference.

P.S. RO_24, I saw that NO_24 had 8 points off the bench in his debut as a Beaver.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 18, 2006, 12:34:04 PM
Darryl

You are welcome & thanks for the point.

Bluffton will play North Central for the championship tonight at 8:00 (central time)
Based on how they played last night, it will be Bluffton's outside shooting vs NC's inside game.

NC will also play Franklin from the HCAC next Sat, the 25th, at NC at 7:30 (ct). They have played the last 2 yrs with NC winning by 4 and 12 respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 18, 2006, 08:38:47 PM
Rose-Hulman failed in their bid for a 2-0 start this afternoon, as they drop a 66-61 contest to Aurora University.

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/07msum02.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 19, 2006, 04:53:28 PM
North Central beat Bluffton in the NC tourney final last night 63-49.
NC shot only 42% for the game, but held Bluffton to 31% shooting.
BU actually closed an 11 point halftime deficit to 2 points with about 7-8 minutes gone in the 2nd half.
One suggestion I would have for Bluffton is to play #24 more. I don't know if any increased PT he might get would be at the expense of #4 as he seems to be the player who runs the offense and sets up most of the BU plays, but he (#4) presents almost no offensive scoring threat.  If the opposing team also had to defend #24 (18 pts), it would create more offensive opportunities for #s 22 and 33, both of whom appear to be pretty good shooters. However they were a combined 2 for 13 last night. due at least partly to NC's being able to sag off #4 and help on them. I am not saying #4 is a bad player, just that BU may need to give up some of his floor game in order to create more scoring opportunities.

I was talking with one of the BU players and his family after the game and was surprised when they told me BU was picked for dead last in the conference. If this is true, the HCAC must be one hell of a good conference from top to bottom. After seeing BU play the first 2 games of the season, I think picking them for last place in the league is rubbish. Keep in mind that this comes from a CCIW fan who has no bias for or against any HCAC school. Not knocking the other conference teams here, just saying if you are playing BU and think you are going to have an easy game against the team picked for last place, be prepared to be surprised.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 20, 2006, 09:37:32 AM
AndOne -- thanks for the observations.  As we noted in earlier conversations after the pre-season poll came out, 4th and 9th place in the poll were separated by 5 points, so mostly, the poll just tells us that the coaches don't know what's going to happen.  (I also heard that after Franklin's coach Kerry Prather saw that his team had been picked #1 overall, he sent an e-mail to the other HCAC coaches suggesting that based on that result, he was tempted to push for drug-testing for coaches.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on November 20, 2006, 10:58:36 AM
Thanks for those updates AndOne...I wanted to listen to the game on Saturday, but was preoccupied sobbing over the Michigan loss.  The conference is typically pretty solid from top to bottom I think, you'll have your blowouts some nights though.  Be interesting to see how Franklin matches up with North Central.  Big week for Bluffton with 3 games this week, I'll be heading to all 3 of them, so hopefully they can come away this week with some confidence.  Maybe I'll see you in Bluffton this weekend Darryl, if not, have a good Thanksgiving, as to everyone else.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2006, 02:13:51 AM
Quote from: RO_24 on November 20, 2006, 10:58:36 AMBe interesting to see how Franklin matches up with North Central. 

And how! Franklin is a guard-oriented team that's small up front. North Central is a big, forward-oriented team that's inexperienced in the backcourt. It should prove to be a complete contrast of strengths and weaknesses, the sort of scenario that always proves interesting.

I'll say this for the Grizzlies, whom I saw on Saturday -- they're small and they're young, but they're very fundamentally sound.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 22, 2006, 03:39:45 PM
In their 1st two games Franklin has commotted 32 turnovers. North Central has committed 35. Atrocious figures!

Franklin has played a little better competition than NC so far.

North Central's frontline gives them what would appear to be a decided overall advantage despite their lack of experience at the guard positions. However, if NCC's guards don't take care of the ball better than they have the 1st two games, their frontcourt advantage will be nuetralized as the ball will be turned over before its able to be entered down low.   

So far, NC has played several guards in an attempt to find the 2 that will work best with their big men. No one has really stepped up and shown either that they value the basketball or that they can consistently knock down the open shot to keep the defense from sagging back on the bigs. In addition to needing to improve in these areas, it sounds like their guards will have to play tight defense against the very capable Franklin guards. If someone can accomplish these challenges, NCC will have a clear advantage. However, due to their inexperience it may be a lot to ask the NCC backcourt to both play good pressure defense AND to value the ball more on offense at the same time. If they do, it will justify NCC's #19 ranking.

Overall, it should make for a very interesting game Sat in Naperville, and one that may well be decided by guard play. Can the NCC guards get the ball down low before turning it over? Can the Franklin guards, said to be the team's strength, hit their open shots and penetrate, forcing the NCC bigs to come out and help thus presenting an opportunity to dish down low to an open forward/center?   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2006, 03:06:15 AM
Quote from: AndOne on November 22, 2006, 03:39:45 PM
In their 1st two games Franklin has commotted 32 turnovers. North Central has committed 35. Atrocious figures!

I'm not putting too much stock in turnover figures at this point in the season. The NCAA has specifically insisted that refs place closer scrutiny upon ballhandling this year, particularly in the areas of carrying the ball and footwork. The number of carrying and traveling calls seem to be up considerably. I've been to five games now, and I've already seen more carrying calls made than I've seen in entire seasons -- and the number of traveling calls I've seen are way up as well. All sorts of other people with whom I've spoken at games have noticed the same thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on November 23, 2006, 11:20:41 PM
In Hanover's 90-85 win at Wabash, junior Clint Parker set school and conference records for 3 point field goals made with 11 and for attempts with 21, as he finished with 38 points.  Hanover also set marks as a team for 3 point field goals. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 26, 2006, 09:16:31 PM
Rose-Hulman improved to 2-1 on the young season with a 74-57 win over the Beavers of Blackburn College on Saturday.

Brian Bibb had 18 points and 10 rebounds for the Engineers. Jared Moore chipped in 15.

Zak Allan and Grant Lamsargis each had 13 points for Blackburn (2-2).

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/07msum03.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on November 27, 2006, 08:22:26 AM
Bluffton is 4-1 so far this season with their only loss coming to ranked North Central.  Good games all around this weekend at Bluffton.  They had their stretches of ugliness missing a lot of bunnies, but they held it together for a nice win over Goshen and then a hard fought, horribly officiated game against Heidelberg on Saturday. Hopefully they can beat Hiram tomorrow and start conference out on a bang this Saturday against Franklin.  Who does everyone else have this week in conference, and how do you think they will all fare? 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 27, 2006, 01:26:33 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 20, 2006, 09:37:32 AM
AndOne -- thanks for the observations.  As we noted in earlier conversations after the pre-season poll came out, 4th and 9th place in the poll were separated by 5 points, so mostly, the poll just tells us that the coaches don't know what's going to happen.  (I also heard that after Franklin's coach Kerry Prather saw that his team had been picked #1 overall, he sent an e-mail to the other HCAC coaches suggesting that based on that result, he was tempted to push for drug-testing for coaches.)

This CCIW fan has seen Bluffton and Franklin play the last 2 Saturdays. These are supposedly the last and first place teams in the HCAC this year. As Darryl indicated (above) previously, many of the conference teams polled closely in the pre-season voting. After watching BU and FC the last 2 weeks, I can confirm firsthand that there really seems to be little difference in the HCAC teams this year. I would be very willing to bet the conference race will be exceptionally tight. On any given night I think any team could easily knock off any other team. Should make for some VERY close games in what ultimately, for HCAC fans, s/b a very entertaining and exciting season.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-TU on November 28, 2006, 02:07:57 PM
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Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 14, 2006, 09:35:10 AM


TU -- Joey Searle and Joey Verax


What do others think?  Who do you expect to step up at your school?

Greetings-
Transy has a deep roster, filled with some talented Freshman, 3 of which, maybe 4, will make the Freshman All Conference team (if there is one, can't remember). 

And star Nick Feagan has returned for a Senior Season after taking 2 years away from basketball for personal issues from my understanding.  Look for him to make a run at MVP with Searle and Verax also having that chance.

Others to possibly win MVP- Anthony from Bluffton will be solid all year, and I like sophomores Marshall from Franklin and Parker from Hanover to make their names for next season.  But I would think the favorite has to be Wade from Manchester if he is as good as his potential was 2 years ago. 

It will more than likely be between Wade and Feagan, Transy will most likely have the better year, but Feagan has more competition from his own teammates.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2006, 02:38:15 PM
HCAC-TU:

I had missed the significance of Feagan's return (and had no information about TU's freshmen).  I see that 4 freshmen have seen playing time so far, 3 of those are averaging at least 18 minutes and 6.7 ppg, and 1 is starting.  On the other hand, I see that Searle has not yet played -- is he injured?

By the way, there is no freshmen all-conference team; just a "Freshman of the Year."  Last year it was Dustin Marshall; two years ago, it was C.J. Johnson (DC).  Both those players were listed on the honorable mention all-HCAC team; only one other frosh (Redman) was listed in the last two years.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 04, 2006, 03:43:30 AM
Quote from: AndOne on November 27, 2006, 01:26:33 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 20, 2006, 09:37:32 AM
AndOne -- thanks for the observations.  As we noted in earlier conversations after the pre-season poll came out, 4th and 9th place in the poll were separated by 5 points, so mostly, the poll just tells us that the coaches don't know what's going to happen.  (I also heard that after Franklin's coach Kerry Prather saw that his team had been picked #1 overall, he sent an e-mail to the other HCAC coaches suggesting that based on that result, he was tempted to push for drug-testing for coaches.)

This CCIW fan has seen Bluffton and Franklin play the last 2 Saturdays. These are supposedly the last and first place teams in the HCAC this year. As Darryl indicated (above) previously, many of the conference teams polled closely in the pre-season voting. After watching BU and FC the last 2 weeks, I can confirm firsthand that there really seems to be little difference in the HCAC teams this year. I would be very willing to bet the conference race will be exceptionally tight. On any given night I think any team could easily knock off any other team. Should make for some VERY close games in what ultimately, for HCAC fans, s/b a very entertaining and exciting season.  :)

And now I see the expected last place team has beaten the conference favorite.  :o
What happened?
And, whats next?  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 04, 2006, 08:13:48 AM
AndOne - Saturday's game was a great game the whole way.  BLuffton pulled away at the end on FT's.  Hard-fought for both teams, and a good win for BU in their conference opener.  Couple players stepped up in the 1st half and other in the 2nd half, BU was in foul trouble majority of the game, and got some great play from Stober, who finished with a double-double.  Now this week will be fun, with rival DC heading to Bluffton, should be fun.

How's the rest of the conference looking this week?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2006, 09:46:39 AM
Scores from Saturday were very tight:
HC by 1 over RHIT
DC by 2 over AU
MC by 4 over MSJ
BU by 8 over FC

The Bluffton/Franklin game was tighter than the final score suggests; as RO_24 said, the Beavers pulled away on FTs at the end.  Franklin trailed by only 2 with 2 minutes left.

Franklin was missing starter Jace Redman (injured, I think), while the Beavers were without starter Justin Rufenacht and sub Nick Wilson (I think both had concussions).  Each team had five players in double figures, and one player for each team ended with a double-double.

This looks to be an interesting season; perhaps we'll have a race like the 2000-01 season, when the 7 teams in the conference finished 7-5, 7-5, 7-5, 6-6, 5-7, 5-7, 5-7.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 04, 2006, 05:39:07 PM
The Rose-Hulman/Hanover contest had an exciting finish.

Rose's Jason Bednarko hit a jumper with :06 left, to give the Engineers a 71-70 lead. After a Hanover timeout, they inbounded the ball and passed it down low to Robby Brown. He put up a shot that was blocked, but a foul was called on RHIT's Brian Bibb, sending Brown to the line for two shots with :02 left.

Brown nailed both free throws giving Hanover the victory.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 05, 2006, 01:15:35 PM
I was looking at the conference website...Why are there only 4 teams eligible for the conference tounament?  I would think they could find a way to get the 9 teams in without punishing 5 teams at the end of the season.  I was just wondering if anyone had an answer.  That's always a part of the season to look forward too.  Especially in a conference where there is usually a log jam in the middle, it could be a mess. 

Predictions for tomorrow nights games?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2006, 02:15:07 PM
Rod:

The conference decided to go to a 4-team tournament when RHIT joined.  I suppose it is less of a hassle from an administrative point of view, but I'm also sad that this happened.  Given how tight the race often is (and especially as tight as it may be this year), it would be nice to include more teams in the tournament.  Even a slight expansion would be nice -- like a Tuesday night game between the 4/5 and 3/6 teams.  Then the top two teams would be guaranteed a spot in the "final four," but there would be one more chance for the teams in the middle.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 05, 2006, 03:07:42 PM
I believe the NCAA says if you have a conference thet has a potential of 3 tournament games you have to count that game towards your maximum regular season games allowed.  (24 or 25 can't remember)

I know the MIAA teams have one less non-conference game this year becasue of this rule.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 05, 2006, 03:19:50 PM
Teams in the NCAC have 25-game schedules, which is the NCAA maximum, and they play an 8-team (i.e. max 3 game) tournament.  For example, see Wooster's schedule. (//http://)

I think a four-team HCAC tournament will result in a wild and woolly last week or so of conference play, since probably everyone will be flirting with missing the tournament.  It should be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 05, 2006, 03:28:20 PM
Well it would appear my theory is wrong.......not the first time.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 05, 2006, 03:35:15 PM
I am looking forward to tomorrow's contest between Rose-Hulman and Franklin.

It will be interesting to see how the Engineers (picked 8th) stacks up against the league favorite. It is long season, and we are just underway. But, I think Rose-Hulman is going to be much more competitive in the league than many were led to believe.

Rose has a chance, tomorrow night, to show they can play with the league powerhouses. I hope they come ready to play and protect their home court. With Road wins being so hard to obtain in the HCAC, teams must protect their own yard to stay in the coveted Top 4 spots in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 06, 2006, 11:08:04 AM
I agree that the last week of the conference season could be crazy, but I also feel bad for the teams that will be left out of the cold.  Work so hard all year, and then don't even get a chance to win your conference tournament to receive a bid to the NCAA's...Just seems a little unfair to me.  We always played a 25 game schedule and had possibility of 3 games to get a bid.  I agree with Darryl, in that they could at least expand it to 6 teams. That would still allow the 3-6 seeds a shot at 3 games.  Be interesting to see if they will change their way of thinking next season.  This system could be as broke as the BCS, ha...

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 06, 2006, 11:21:52 AM
But they do have a chance to win the conference tournament and go to the NCAAs.  They have a 16-game season to earn one of those conference tournament spots.  There's a long-running argument about this, and it might be more pertinent to the HCAC than any other conference.  Is it right or wise to give your league title and what might be the league's only NCAA tournament berth to a team that couldn't finish any higher than 5th in the conference season?  In the HCAC, it's not far-fetched to think that the 7th or 8th place team could win three tournament games and the go to the NCAAs.  Is that what you really want? 

There are many who think that conference tournaments are bad ideas, no matter how many teams are invited.  I'm not among them, because I think there's a lot of good things associated with the tournament.  But I come from a conference (NCAC) where it's preposterous to suggest that a second-division team could win the tournament, so I don't have to worry about that aspect.  If I were primarily an HCAC fan, I might think differently.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 06, 2006, 11:48:13 AM
I see both sides of the argument, but I think that it's fair to have a conference tournament available.  The HCAC primarily only ever gets one team earn a berth to the NCAA's.  It's just been that way it seems for awhile.  So whether the 9th place would go on a run and win the conferent tourney and earn a bid or  the 1st place team would sweep everyone, it's what creates the excitement at the end of the season.  If your a few games out with a couple to play, what are you playing for now?  There's no chance for you to redeem yourself in the tournament now.   Now 5 of the 9 teams in the conference don't even get a shot at it.

The NCAC has basically 2 schools that win the conference and represent each year, and they represent well.  OWU has been rising in the standings and I hope to see them pull out a title this year.   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 06, 2006, 09:54:43 PM
Final from Bluffton:  Beavers 103 Yellow Jackets 93 (OT).

Very exciting game -- DC raced out to a 9-0 lead at the beginning, but the Beavers fought back to lead by 2 at the break.  Bluffton pushed the lead to as much as 11 in the 2nd half, but DC hung in to tie the game at 84 with 6.8 seconds left (but missed the FT that would have given them the lead).  Beavers got the rebound on the missed FT, called time-out, but couldn't get off a good shot.

In OT, Eric Schwieterman picked up two early steals for Bluffton; he made the first layup, and missed the second, but teammate Josiah Stober had the putback.  Defiance was down by 5 or more points pretty quickly and couldn't get back.

DC freshman Mike Floyd had (I assume) a career high 27, including 7 3's.  Four other Jackets scored in double figures, but only two other players scored.

The Beavers had 23 from Colt Cunningham, 22 (career-high) from Nick Wilson off the bench, and 16 (career-high) from Schwieterman.  The Beaver bench outscored the DC bench 46 to 19.

Any reports from other games?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 06, 2006, 10:07:45 PM
I'll answer my own question -- or at least report the scores.  Those who attended the games, please feel free to add details ...

TU over AU, 91-86 in OT
FC over RHIT, 58-50
HC over MSJ, 101-68
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 07, 2006, 08:09:27 AM
Darryl,

That was a great game last night, couldn't say I expected much less though...those last few seconds of the game were a little testy though when we kept trying to block shots.  Good start by the Beavers, and hopefully someone continually steps up, as it seems it is someone different each game. 

Big game this weekend on the road though, Rose how'd they look last night?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-TU on December 07, 2006, 08:23:58 PM
For TU- Searle has been practicing with the team, but his first game will be in 2 weeks I believe.

Transy is still struggling to find chemistry with so many new players and unfamiliar faces.  Terrible loss to MSJ, same thing happened last season if I remember correct.  Close win vs AU in OT.. Coach Brian Lane will have them playing better by the 1st of the year I am sure..

I am happy with only 4 teams making tourney, would be a disgrace for a team that played poorly during the regular season to be able to get hot and run the table with luck and get the NCAA bid.  You shoul dbe rewarded for great play throughout the year. Consistancy builds programs, not luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 07, 2006, 08:39:29 PM
Without much fanfare it appears we have our first Transylvania poster.

Welcome!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2006, 08:57:58 PM
sac --  HCAC-TU first posted on November 28.  His comment about Searle is in response to the question I posed to him.

HCAC-TU:  You said you thought Transy would be playing better by the first of the year.  I hope they hold off until the 4th or so, as they play Bluffton on the 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 07, 2006, 10:09:38 PM
you guys watch out, this matt parton kid at Transy got his first quality minutes last night and had some good numbers, this kid can play, he led his team to 3 straight state tournaments in TN in high school and lost 2 of those state title games to a kid named Brandan Wright (UNC), he can flat out GRD, and the more he grows as a player the better TU is going to be

Go Pioneers
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 08, 2006, 09:22:34 AM
Quote from: RO_24 on December 07, 2006, 08:09:27 AM
Rose how'd they look last night?

Not good.

The Engineers did not play well. They surrendered TWENTY offensive rebounds to a relatively small Franklin team. And, committed 20 turnovers. Despite that, they still managed to only lose by 8, at 58-50.

Franklin jumped out to a 15 point cushion in the 1st half. But, in the 2nd, Rose was able to put together some mini-spurts and get within 51-49 late in the ballgame. Trailing by those two points, Rose puts Franklin at the line and TWICE, Franklin missed the free throw but got the offensive rebound.

The turnovers committed by the Engineers were brutal. Balls going off of players' hands on easy passes. Guys not seeing the floor. It was not indicative of the kind of basketball they had been playing. If they would have played like they did against Hanover (72-71 loss on some last second free throws) they probably would have won this game.

I did think Rose played a solid defensive game. As they will all season. They held a Grizzlies team averaging close to 80 points a game, to 58.

Have to give credit to Franklin as well. They are very quick, move the ball EXTREMELY well, and can shoot it from all over. They are also very deep. They took advantage of some costly Rose-Hulman turnovers, and that is what good teams do.

Hoping that RHIT can rebound against a very good Bluffton team tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 08, 2006, 09:24:38 AM
As we have been talking about in this thread. The fact that only 4 clubs make the postseason tournament, makes losses like the one Rose experienced on Wednesday that much more disappointing.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 08, 2006, 09:31:13 AM
For the second game in a row, the HCAC's top ranked scoring offense will go up against the league's top ranked scoring defense.

Bluffton comes in averaging an incredible 92.5 points per game, while Rose-Hulman is holding opponents to only 60.0 ppg in 3 contests.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 08, 2006, 11:32:08 AM
It will be interesting to see how those two battle tomorrow.  Bluffton can get it and go, but the thing that worries me with their offense, is that they have possessions where they just completely bog down, and will not get a shot off or a horrible one...I'm hoping they can jump out to a quick lead and take RHIT out of their slowdown kind of game.  Be a good game, Rose has an internet broadcast correct?  I will not be making the 4 hour trip from Columbus  for this one....
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 08, 2006, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: RO_24 on December 08, 2006, 11:32:08 AM
It will be interesting to see how those two battle tomorrow.  Bluffton can get it and go, but the thing that worries me with their offense, is that they have possessions where they just completely bog down, and will not get a shot off or a horrible one...I'm hoping they can jump out to a quick lead and take RHIT out of their slowdown kind of game.  Be a good game, Rose has an internet broadcast correct?  I will not be making the 4 hour trip from Columbus  for this one....

Yes, they do. However, you will need WinAmp to listen.

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/radiopage.html
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-TU on December 09, 2006, 02:28:09 PM
The freshman Parton from Transy has been playing very well on their Jr. Varsity level, shoots the ball well and plays hard from what I hear.  Transy's guard play is shaky, they start a soph. at Point and the 2 guard has yet to be claimed, a sophomore and 2 freshman (including parton now) have been battling for time, but none of them shining through.

Interesting to see how they do against a tough Manchester team at home for TU.  TU, as good as theyve been the last few seasons, they are only 2-8 or 3-7 against MC in the 5 seasons in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 09, 2006, 04:03:34 PM
Halftime

Bluffton 28, Rose-Hulman 25.

*Mike Anthony, Eric Schwieterman, and Colt Cunningham with 6 points each for BU.

*Rose-Hulman is lead by Jared Moore's 8 points.


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2006, 07:34:19 PM
Rose Basketball might not be in the mood to post the final for the BU-RHIT contest, which went to the Beavers, 54-49.

Elsewhere, MSJ beat AU by 3, DC beat Hanover by 9, and TU outscored MC by 12 in the second OT period.

Rose -- any comment on the lopsided free throw stats?  (The fouls were pretty even -- 16 for the Beavers, 19 for RHIT, but Bluffton was 20 of 24, RHIT was 6 of 8.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 10, 2006, 08:28:32 PM
Does anyone have a scouting report on RHIT. Fontbonne travels their tommorrow evening and it be nice to know alittle bit about them.
Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 11, 2006, 09:41:07 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2006, 07:34:19 PM
Rose Basketball might not be in the mood to post the final for the BU-RHIT contest, which went to the Beavers, 54-49.

Elsewhere, MSJ beat AU by 3, DC beat Hanover by 9, and TU outscored MC by 12 in the second OT period.

Rose -- any comment on the lopsided free throw stats?  (The fouls were pretty even -- 16 for the Beavers, 19 for RHIT, but Bluffton was 20 of 24, RHIT was 6 of 8.)

Thanks for posting the final, Darryl. I had to leave home for a bit, and wasn't around last night to post.

Rose, for the second consecutive game, did not play that well. Though, they just ran into a better team. I knew it would be a low-scoring affair. The Engineers are going to keep teams to low point totals. They are very good defensively, for the most part, but offensively, they are STRUGGLING mightily right now. Until they learn to put the ball in the basket, they are going to have problems.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 11, 2006, 10:38:28 AM
yea from the sounds and looks of it, neither team could put the ball in the hole...Must not be a shooters friendly type of gym.  Either way, good W for the Beavers and now a nice break for them before traveling to Carnegie Mellon here on the 20th...

As we have been talking about the HCAC touney, I was told by what he called himself a "reliable" source, was the reasoning behind 4 teams is that in the past since the conference has began, no team below a #4 seed has ever won the tournament, therefore, making the decision to changing the format to a 4-team field.  Either way, I still think it's ridiculous, and in D3 when your playing for the love anyway, it will be hard to do if you have no shot at the end.  Thanks though to my "reliable" source,  for this info, tough loss. 

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 11, 2006, 03:57:54 PM
Rose BB: I thought perhaps you were watching the game, and so might have been able to shed some light on those FT numbers.  Thanks for the halftime update; sounds like it was an interesting game.  I look forward to seeing the Engineers in Bluffton.

fcnews:  I don't know how much more of a scouting report we can give beyond what you can glean from Rose BB's comments above.  Only four HCAC schools have played RHIT so far, and three of those schools don't have regular representation in this room.  (When I saw you had posted, I thought at first that we had finally been joined by someone from Franklin.)  Meanwhile, Rod and I had to settle for a long-distance report on the game, so we cannot supply with anything more than you can learn from the box score.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 11, 2006, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 11, 2006, 03:57:54 PM
Rose BB: I thought perhaps you were watching the game, and so might have been able to shed some light on those FT numbers.  Thanks for the halftime update; sounds like it was an interesting game.  I look forward to seeing the Engineers in Bluffton.

Unfortunately, I was not able to make this game. I was there last Wednesday night when Rose fell to Franklin. That contest was the most frustrated I have been in quite some time from watching Rose-Hulman the past 4 years. They absolutely shot themselves in the foot.

What's so disappointing about this Engineer team, is that they are better than they have shown so far. I know people say this all the time about their teams, but I truly believe Rose could very well be 4-0 in the conference. At the very least, 3-1. They lost to Hanover 72-71, in a game where they led 71-70 with 7 seconds left. Against Franklin, they committed 20 turnovers and gave up 20 offensive rebounds and still only lost 58-50. Against Bluffton, they basically ran into a better club. However, both of Rose's leading scorers (Brian Bibb and Jason Bednarko) were held to a combined 11 points. That had a lot to do with Bluffton's defense, of course.

The bottom line is, this Rose-Hulman team is much better than the 8th place prediction that was placed upon them in the pre-season, and will be competitive all the way through the conference season. It's just very hard to watch them lose games and not go down playing their best ballgames.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 11, 2006, 09:19:48 PM
Rose-Hulman 80, Fontbonne 78.

Brian Bibb (RHIT) 31 points, 16 rebounds, 4-5 3-pt. FG
Jason Bednarko (RHIT) 16 pts., 3-5 3-pt. FG

Brian Fogerty (FC) 21 pts.
Trevor White (FC) 15 pts.
Joshua Branch (FC) 15 pts.
Cartez Parker (FC) 14 pts.

Rose-Hulman (4-4)
Fontbonne (2-5)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 11, 2006, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: Rose Basketball on December 11, 2006, 09:19:48 PM
Rose-Hulman 80, Fontbonne 78.

Congrats on the Engineers for putting up a season-high 80 points.  Looks like Bibb and Bednarko had the range from outside tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 11, 2006, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 11, 2006, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: Rose Basketball on December 11, 2006, 09:19:48 PM
Rose-Hulman 80, Fontbonne 78.

Congrats on the Engineers for putting up a season-high 80 points.  Looks like Bibb and Bednarko had the range from outside tonight.

Obviously, a victory is always nice. Especially, for an Engineer club that had dropped three straight.

However, the way the 2nd half played out was less than inspiring. After a Brian Bibb basket to start the 2nd half, Rose-Hulman led 46-27, after leading by as many as 21 in the 1st half. They allowed WAY to many three's this evening, and allowed Fontbonne to get back in the game.

They were surprisingly below-average defensively this evening. Fontbonne had 14 3-pt. FG.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 13, 2006, 01:35:14 PM
Rose Basketball - Fontbonne had trouble defensively because starting PF 6'8 Justin Storandt did not make the trip due to a final exam. Also, FU started 3 freshmen and 2 sophmores, against a much more experienced RHIT.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 15, 2006, 09:03:18 AM
Earlham 70, Rose-Hulman 62

Rose: (4-5) Bednarko 16, Bibb 12, Yarachefski 12.

Earlham: (2-5) Henry 15, Welsh 14, Gregory 14, Collins 11
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 19, 2006, 04:09:44 PM
Rose-Hulman 70, Cincinnati-Clermont 60.

QuoteTERRE HAUTE, IND. -- Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology improved to 5-5 on the men's basketball season with a 70-60 victory over Cincinnati-Clermont on Monday night at Hulbert Arena.

Senior Brian Bibb (Hoopeston, Ill.) led a pair of Engineers in double figures with 17 points and nine rebounds.  Junior Jared Moore (Indianapolis/Perry Meridian) added 11 points, six rebounds and five assists.

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/07msum10.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fanofbeavers on December 20, 2006, 07:19:40 AM
Dec. 19  Mount St. Joseph at Capital  7:00 PM  - Capital Wins
              Illinois Wesleyan at Hanover  7:30 PM - Illinois Wesleyan Wins


Thoughts on tonights games?

Dec. 20  Tri-State at Rose-Hulman  7:30 PM 
              Bluffton at Carnegie Mellon  7:00 PM 
              Transylvania at Centre  7:30 PM 
              Manchester at Washington & Jefferson (W&J Tourny)  8:00 PM
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 20, 2006, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: fanofbeavers on December 20, 2006, 07:19:40 AM
Dec. 20  Tri-State at Rose-Hulman  7:30 PM 
              Bluffton at Carnegie Mellon  7:00 PM 
              Transylvania at Centre  7:30 PM 
              Manchester at Washington & Jefferson (W&J Tourny)  8:00 PM


Because I am not familiar with Tri-State this season, I cannot accurately predict what will happen in tonight's contest.

I do know that Rose-Hulman is still a team trying to find itself. But, wednesday's contest did show signs of going in the right direction. Defensively, they are solid. As I have said before, if the Engineers can ever get some consistency on the offensive end, they will be a solid ballclub.Head Coach Jim Shaw has tinkered with the starting lineup a bit, in an attempt to find a combination that works.

With two more non-conference games on the slate before going to Defiance after Christmas, it is my hope that Rose uses those games to find the problems (turnovers, offensive production) that are bugging them thusfar. This team has the potential to do good things in the HCAC, but it's left to be determined if they can put it all together and make a run. It certainly won't be easy.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2006, 11:35:51 PM
I was on the road for most of the day, but checking the 'Net from my sister's house, I see the HCAC went 2-2 tonight:
Bluffton over CMU, 69-65
Manchester over W&J, 59-57
TU fell to Centre, 54-56
RHIT fell to Tri-State, 60-53
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-TU on December 22, 2006, 12:28:12 AM

Transy is just simply inconsistant and have no leaders on the floor.  Had something of a 5 point lead with just under a minute to go, then down at the end and didn't get a shot off.

Searle is back, playing well, but not enough for the Pioneers.  Searle and Feagan will still battle for an MVP of the conference award, but the guard play along with leadership might keep them from rolling the HCAC like they did last season.

They are capable, but will they find their swagger?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 30, 2006, 08:25:05 PM
It's been pretty quiet in here for the past week, so I thought I'd at least note the results of the holiday tournaments:

Friday night:  DC, TU, BU, FC, and AU won; HC lost.
Saturday: DC, FC, BU, MSJ won
HC, TU, AU no report yet.

Wednesday night's BU/TU matchup should be exciting.  The Beavers have won 10 straight, but Transy is playing tough, and have taken 7 in a row from Bluffton.

(update) I forgot to add that RHIT lost Saturday.  And I now see that TU and AU won, while HC lost.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 03, 2007, 08:13:42 PM
Halftime at Bluffton:  Beavers 31, Pioneers 27.

Balanced scoring for both teams: leading scorers are Cash (TU) and Wilson (BU), each with 7; seven players have scored for each team.

Interesting stat:  TU has 8 points off the bench (Gabbard 2, McCowan 2, Searle 4).  BU has ALL BUT 8 points off the bench (starters Anthony and Cunningham have 5 and 3; the other starters have yet to score).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 03, 2007, 10:08:33 PM
Final (OT): BU 95, TU 92. (The Pioneers play their third straight OT game in conference competition.)

The Beavers let an 11-point lead slip away in the second half; TU tied the game at 80 with about 7 seconds left.  In OT, Tierney and Feagan added 6 apiece to the Transy total, while the Beavers got 4 apiece from Schwieterman, Cunningham, and Wilson, and a trey from Overmyer.

30 fouls whistled on TU, 29 on BU.  Both teams shot FTs well (and often):  The Pioneers were 27/33, while the Beavers went 34/37.

Feagan led all scorers with 32; Mike Anthony had 26 for the Beavers.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 03, 2007, 10:27:29 PM
Other scores:
MSJ 82, FC 72
DC 60, RHIT 39
HC 74, MC 66

In conference play, road games are the difference among the top teams:
BU is 4-0
DC is 4-1 (loss at BU)
HC is 3-2 (losses at FC and DC)
MSJ is 3-2 (losses at MC and HC)
TU is 2-2 (losses at MSJ and BU)
FC is 2-2 (losses at BU and home vs MSJ)
MC is 1-3
RHIT is 1-4
AU is 0-4

With this is mind, it is worth noting that Bluffton has only played one conference road game (at RHIT).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 04, 2007, 08:19:07 AM
Great game in  Bluffton last night, even though it was a collapse at the end of the game, they tightened up and pulled it out in the end.  I was glad to see them stick together, and Anthony stepped up huge for them... Not sure I have ever been to a  game with that many fouls called and that many FT's attempted and made. 

Saturday at Anderson, need a big road win. 

Rose - What happened to RHIT last night?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 04, 2007, 04:00:59 PM
15 of 52 shooting happened to RHIT plus 1 for 11 on 3 pointers. 

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 04, 2007, 07:13:24 PM
I saw Bluffton play in the season opening tournament and was impressed with their shooting. In talking with one of the players & his family after the 2nd game, I was very surprised to learn they had been predicted to finish last in the conference. I told the people I spoke to I'd bet that wouldn't happen. Looks like BU is really taking care of business. Wondering what made those who picked them to finish last or close to last were thinking when they made their picks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2007, 10:04:35 AM
Anderson, Mt.St.Joe, and Transy all won at home (vs Bluffton, Defiance, and RHIT), while Franklin picked up the road win at Manchester.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 08, 2007, 12:41:53 PM
Darryl,
Did you listen to the game...I was about to throw things at the computer, it was getting so bad.  Hopefully they can get out of the lull they are in and play like they did in the last 10 minutes.  I think they should be fine, hopefully they just move on from this game and leave it in the past. 

What are the predictions for this weeks games? 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2007, 02:12:28 PM
Rod:

I was sitting in the Founders bleachers listening to the men's game on my computer, while watching the women.  Several times, I stopped listening to the men's game in frustration.

Both games played out in similar ways:  The Ravens jumped out to big leads (Women: 14 points at halftime, as high as 18 in the first half; Men: 18 points at halftime, extended to 24 points with 12:20 to play).  The Beavers fought back in both games: For the women, the Beavers took a 1-point lead with 5:03 to go, but only scored 2 points after that, losing by 3.  The men trimmed the lead to 2 with 1:56 to go, and again with 9 seconds left, but couldn't quite get out of the deep hole.

The losses were disappointing, but it was nice to see the efforts from both the men and women, in games where they might have given up.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 07:11:01 PM
what are the match ups this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2007, 09:16:55 PM
The Beavers came up short in a see-saw battle against Manchester -- at least I assume they did, as the radio signal disappeared with BU trailing by 7 with 30 seconds left. Any other reports?

M&L:  This weekend has
Hanover at Bluffton
Defiance at Transy
Manchester at RHIT
Franklin at Anderson
and MSJ at UC-Clermont
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 11, 2007, 08:17:55 AM
Well the Beavers lost a game they should've won last night, another tough road loss for them.  I'm hoping a home  game against Hanover Saturday will cure their blues right now, we'll see though.  I think confidence is shaken quite a bit right now. 

Darryl, I was 3 for 4 I believe last night with BU being the only wrong pick, don't quote me on that though.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 11, 2007, 10:53:36 PM
I this sounds like some pretty easy pickems

Hanover
Trnsy
RHIT
Anderson
UC-Clermont

Those are my predictions
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 12, 2007, 08:10:13 AM
I don't know about easy, but here are mine...

Bluffton - can't go against the Beavers yet.
Transy
Manchester
Franklin
MSJ

Good luck to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 13, 2007, 04:21:30 PM
So, what were the results of the picks?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 13, 2007, 07:10:10 PM
In conference play, the home teams went 3-1:
Bluffton downed Hanover at home, 94-83.
Transy crushed Defiance 74-50.
RHIT held off Manchester, 50-47.
Franklin picked up the lone road win, 79-74 at Anderson.

Haven't heard the result of MSJ over UC-Clermont.

Bluffton, MSJ, and Transy are now in a three-way tie at the top with 5-2 records. The Beavers and the Lions square off at MSJ on Wednesday, while Transy hosts Hanover.

HC, FC, and DC stand at 4-3, MC at 2-5, RHIT at 2-6, and AU at 2-5.  RHIT has finished the first half of the conference season, while Franklin travels to Defiance and AU visits MC Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 15, 2007, 11:48:24 AM
Bluffton pulls off a shocker!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 18, 2007, 08:23:56 AM
Well another good night in the HCAC, MSJ is all alone in first with 4 teams right there.  Bluffton lost a tough one last night, had their chances.  MSJ killed BU in the paint, but there were no adjustments made to try and slow it down, I think  MSJ outscored them by 30 in the paint.  Hopefully the guys will stay up, because they travel to Franklin this weekend and need a road win.

How did the other games go?

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 18, 2007, 09:41:55 AM
Again, the home teams went 3-1:

Defiance over Franklin, 66-49
Manchester over Anderson, 64-59 (OT)
MSJ over Bluffton 88-85

And Hanover with the lone road win, 71-70 over Transy.

At the halfway point:
MSJ is alone at the top with a 6-2 record
Bluffton, Hanover, Defiance, and Transy tied at 5-3
Franklin at 4-4
Manchester at 3-5
RHIT at 2-6
Anderson at 1-7

Noting the home-court advantage from the first half of the season, the following observations may be important:  The road schedule for the top six teams.  (Teams in boldface in the last column are other top 6 teams.)  Note that by this measure, Hanover, Transy, and Defiance may have a slight edge in the number of "tough" road trips, while Franklin has the advantage of being at home for 5 of their last 8 games.


# road
Teamgames   Who they visit
MSJ4Anderson, Bluffton, Defiance, Transylvania
Bluffton4Defiance, Franklin, Hanover, Transylvania
Transy    4
Anderson, Defiance, Hanover, Rose-Hulman
Hanover4
Anderson, Manchester, Mount St. Joseph, Rose-Hulman
Defiance4
Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, Rose-Hulman
Franklin3
Hanover, Mount St. Joseph, Transylvania
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-TU on January 18, 2007, 09:56:12 AM
Transy lost tough 1 at home last night to HC.  Transy up 2 when HC hit a 3 with 6 seconds left.  A 3rd stringer was somehow in the game and took the last second shot for TU.  Again, they are still searching for chemestry with just a month left to play.

The press release from TU said that game broke a 23 home court win streak for the pioneers dating back to the first matchup with Wittenburg early last season.  Tough game to lose as TU usually considers HC their "rival" in the conference, especially when HC is down for their standards this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 26, 2007, 05:00:06 PM
Well I don't know what happened in here, but we have a tight race going into this weekend.  What's everyone think about this weekends games, BU needs a big W over RHIT who are on a nice winning streak. 

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2007, 06:23:31 PM
The road teams had a big day today:  Manchester, Defiance, and MSJ picked up wins at (resp.) Transy, Hanover, and Anderson.  Bluffton was the only home team to come out on top in conference play, beating RHIT 62-53.  (Franklin also picked up a win at home in non-conf. play).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 29, 2007, 06:17:01 PM
I can the maddness starting to brew wit hall this excitment in the conference with so many teams fighting for control to be at the top.

But first we have to finish the Football season this Sunday.

I know MSJ has Hanover at home this Wed., what are the the other matchups of signifcance?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2007, 10:43:31 AM
Tonight's games:
Transy @ Anderson
Bluffton @ Defiance
RHIT @ Franklin
Hanover @ MSJ

Here are the current standings, including home and away records.  Franklin stands out as having a 4-2 record on the road, while setting at .500 at home.












TeamOverallHomeAway
MSJ7-34-03-3
Defiance7-45-02-4
Bluffton6-45-01-4
Transy6-44-22-2
Franklin6-42-24-2
Hanover5-64-21-4
Manchester5-54-21-3
RHIT4-73-31-4
Anderson1-101-40-6
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2007, 09:30:58 PM
For the second time this season, Bluffton-Defiance went to OT, and for the second time the Beavers came out on top -- 72-70 ;D.  Bluffton led by 9, 62-53, with about 8 minutes in regulation, but DC went on a 12-0 run to take a 3 point lead with under a minute.  Mike Anthony hit a 3 with 8 seconds left to force overtime.  Anthony also hit the game-winner with 2.6 seconds on the clock; Johnson's long three missed at the buzzer.

This breaks Bluffton's 4-game losing streak in conference road games; Defiance had not lost at home prior to this.

I haven't seen other conference scores yet; I thought with this game in OT, a few other scores might be posted.  I'll look around a bit more and post the scores if I can find them.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2007, 09:46:31 PM
The d3hoops.com scoreboard lists Hanover over MSJ, 59-58.

Franklin beat RHIT, 68-51.

(update) Anderson over Transy, 64-61 in OT.

This sets up a three-way tie at the top between MSJ, BU, and FC.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2007, 10:03:31 PM
By the way, I hope Defiance fans reading this board -- if there are any -- will forgive the gloating smiley face next to my report of the Bluffton/Defiance score.  My 10-year-old son (who was up past his bedtime to hear the end of the game) told me to put it in, and I was swept away in the exuberance of the moment.

Good luck to the Jackets on Saturday against MSJ.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 01, 2007, 08:22:22 AM
I can't take anymore of the close games, and CJ Johnson's Half-courter at the buzzer missed by an inch, it was dead on...another helluva game that's for sure.  Bluffton looked good, but still couldn't put the finishing touches off at the end of the game, as they didn't score until Anthony's 3 to send it into overtime, it was a 4-5 minute drought. 

I still hope that with this conference being so close most every year, that they will allow 6 teams make the conference tourney from now on after this year.  I don't care if no team below a 4 seed has made the finals in the conference, still isn't right to leave a couple teams out, IMO.

Good luck to the Beavers this weekend against Anderson.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 01, 2007, 09:45:24 AM
Current standings, with remaining games:


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining games
Bluffton7-4 5-0 2-4vs. AU, vs. MC, @ TU, vs. MSJ, @ HC
Mount St. Joseph7-4 4-1 3-3@ DC, vs. RHIT, vs. FC, @ BU, vs. MC
Franklin7-4 3-2 4-2vs. MC, @ TU, @ MSJ, vs. DC, vs. AU
Defiance7-5 5-1 2-4vs. MSJ, @ RHIT, @ FC, vs. TU
Transylvania6-5 4-2 2-3@ RHIT, vs. FC, vs. BU, @ HC, @ DC
Manchester5-5 4-2 1-3@ FC, @ BU, vs. HC, @ AU, vs. RHIT, @ MSJ
Hanover6-6 4-2 2-4@ AU, @ MC, vs. TU, vs. BU
Rose-Hulman4-8 3-3 1-5vs. TU, @ MSJ, vs. DC, @ MC
Anderson2-102-4 0-6@ BU, vs. HC, vs. MC, @ FC


Head-to-head matchups are the first determining factor for breaking ties at the end of the regular season (meaning they may well determine who makes the conference tournament).
The table below shows results of these matchups so far; e.g., MSJ has beaten Bluffton at home (but hasn't yet played at Bluffton), and has beaten Franklin at Franklin (and hasn't yet faced FC at home).  Notable in this table:  MSJ has ensured at least a split with the other four top teams.



Mount St. Joseph:
                  BU:W_   FC:_W   DC:W_   TU:WL   MC:_L   HC:LL RHIT:_W   AU:WW
Bluffton:
         MSJ:_L           FC:WL   DC:WW   TU:W_   MC:_L   HC:W_ RHIT:WW   AU:_L
Franklin:
         MSJ:L_   BU:WL           DC:_L   TU:L_   MC:_W   HC:WW RHIT:WW   AU:_W
Defiance:
         MSJ:_L   BU:LL   FC:W_           TU:_L   MC:WL   HC:WW RHIT:W_   AU:WW
Transylvania:
         MSJ:WL   BU:_L   FC:_W   DC:W_           MC:LW   HC:L_ RHIT:W_   AU:WL
Manchester:
         MSJ:W_   BU:W_   FC:L_   DC:WL   TU:LW           HC:_L RHIT:_L   AU:W_
Hanover:
         MSJ:WW   BU:_L   FC:LL   DC:LL   TU:_W   MC:W_         RHIT:WL   AU:W_
Rose-Hulman:
         MSJ:L_   BU:LL   FC:LL   DC:_L   TU:_L   MC:W_   HC:WL           AU:WW
Anderson:
         MSJ:LL   BU:W_   FC:L_   DC:LL   TU:WL   MC:_L   HC:_L RHIT:LL
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-TU on February 01, 2007, 02:08:54 PM
TU has had it.   Very sad to see this talented team not continue what they had been working on for the 5 years they have been here.  I am not sure what the rest of the season will be like, but the last 2 games have been the lowpoint of their 6 year D3 existence.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2007, 05:35:54 PM
Bluffton over Anderson, 77-68
Defiance over MSJ, 74-67 (OT)
Transy over RHIT, 62-58
Manchester over Franklin, 73-69

Mike Anthony had 28 in the win over Anderson, moving him into 17th place on the all-time scoring list.

After I came home from the Beavers' game, I listened to the end of the DC/MSJ game on the radio.  DC freshman Nick Sales (a leading candidate for FOTY) chipped a tooth--or maybe teeth--when a MSJ player fell on him late in regulation.  Presumably his mood was brightened by the Jackets' performance in OT, which included Anthony Pettaway going 6-6 from the free throw line.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2007, 10:09:57 AM
While I run the risk of talking to myself, I'll update the standings and matchup table for anyone who cares:


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining games
Bluffton 8-4 6-0 2-4 vs. MC, @ TU, vs. MSJ, @ HC
Defiance 8-5 6-1 2-4 @ RHIT, @ FC, vs. TU
Transylvania 7-5 4-2 3-3 vs. FC, vs. BU, @ HC, @ DC
Franklin 7-5 3-3 4-2 @ TU, @ MSJ, vs. DC, vs. AU
Mount St. Joseph    7-5 4-1 3-4 vs. RHIT, vs. FC, @ BU, vs. MC
Manchester 6-5 4-2 2-3 @ BU, vs. HC, @ AU, vs. RHIT, @ MSJ
Hanover 6-6 4-2 2-4 @ AU, @ MC, vs. TU, vs. BU
Rose-Hulman 4-9 3-4 1-5 @ MSJ, vs. DC, @ MC
Anderson 2-11 2-4 0-7 vs. HC, vs. MC, @ FC


Bluffton:
                  DC:WW   TU:W_   FC:WL  MSJ:_L   MC:_L   HC:W_ RHIT:WW   AU:WL
Defiance:
          BU:LL           TU:_L   FC:W_  MSJ:WL   MC:WL   HC:WW RHIT:W_   AU:WW
Transylvania:
          BU:_L   DC:W_           FC:_W  MSJ:WL   MC:LW   HC:L_ RHIT:WW   AU:WL
Franklin:
          BU:WL   DC:_L   TU:L_          MSJ:L_   MC:LW   HC:WW RHIT:WW   AU:_W
Mount St. Joseph:
          BU:W_   DC:WL   TU:WL   FC:_W           MC:_L   HC:LL RHIT:_W   AU:WW
Manchester:
          BU:W_   DC:WL   TU:LW   FC:LW  MSJ:W_           HC:_L RHIT:_L   AU:W_
Hanover:
          BU:_L   DC:LL   TU:_W   FC:LL  MSJ:WW   MC:W_         RHIT:WL   AU:W_
Rose-Hulman:
          BU:LL   DC:_L   TU:LL   FC:LL  MSJ:L_   MC:W_   HC:WL           AU:WW
Anderson:
          BU:WL   DC:LL   TU:WL   FC:L_  MSJ:LL   MC:_L   HC:_L RHIT:LL
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 05, 2007, 10:58:47 AM
No worries, I get bored at work, so I read. 

Wonder what the chances would be to see an at-large come from the conference.  I know that typically no one from the HCAC ever gets one, not sure if there has ever been 2 in the tourney at the same time. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 05, 2007, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2007, 10:09:57 AM
While I run the risk of talking to myself, I'll update the standings and matchup table for anyone who cares:

I care, Darryl.  Thanks for helping me and other interested posters/lurkers to keep up with the zany HCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 05, 2007, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: RO_24 on February 05, 2007, 10:58:47 AM
No worries, I get bored at work, so I read. 

Wonder what the chances would be to see an at-large come from the conference. 

Not very good, as none of the HCAC contenders has a regional winning percentage better than .680. Last year, the lowest regional winning percentage posted by a team that got a Pool C bid was .714. It would probably take one of the teams with the better regional winning percentages (Bluffton, Defiance, and Manchester) running the table from here on out, only to lose in the HCAC tourney championship game, for the conference to get an at-large bid.

Quote from: RO_24 on February 05, 2007, 10:58:47 AMI know that typically no one from the HCAC ever gets one, not sure if there has ever been 2 in the tourney at the same time. 

You're correct. The HCAC has never received an at-large bid. Interestingly, however, three current HCAC teams were in the '99 tourney: Franklin, and two current HCAC members who were then representing difference conferences, Defiance (MIAA) and Rose-Hulman (SCAC).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2007, 09:04:54 AM
There are 17 games remaining in the regular season, meaning there are 217 = 131,072 possible scenarios to determine the final standings.

Some unverified numbers (based on a computer program I wrote yesterday):

Additionally, here are the percentage of scenarios for each team making the tournament (middle column) and being the #1 seed (right column).  (RHIT and AU have been mathematically eliminated.)

Bluffton85.3%    41.8%
Defiance72.7%11.8%
Transylvania61.3%13.2%
Mount St. Joseph      57.3%14.3%
Franklin53.7% 7.9%
Manchester47.5%9.5%
Hanover22.0% 1.6%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 07, 2007, 09:25:40 AM
Always have amazed me by the Math skills...Who knows what will happen in th is wacky conference.  I'm hopefully going to get up there tonight to watch the game, I think the guys will be ready talking to my brother, but we'll see how it goes..  He said Manchester is on a roll right now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2007, 10:00:14 PM
Scores for tonight:

Bluffton 82, Manchester 79
Hanover 77, Anderson 74
Franklin 76, Transy 66
MSJ 67, RHIT 46
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 08, 2007, 02:37:02 PM
3 games left in the league, and still a cluster at the top...gotta love it. 

I'm not sure I have seen a team drop as many 3's in a short period of time to comeback and make it interesting for quite awhile...Manchester showed heart coming back, but BU found a way to pull it off.  Hopefully the next time they are up 6 or 7, they won't quit attacking, has hurt Bluffton the last 3 games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 08, 2007, 04:01:29 PM

TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Bluffton9-47-02-4@ TU, vs. MSJ, @ HC
Mount St. Joseph   8-55-13-4vs. FC, @ BU, vs. MC
Defiance8-56-12-4@ RHIT, @ FC, vs. TU
Franklin8-53-35-2@ MSJ, vs. DC, vs. AU
Transylvania7-64-33-3vs. BU, @ HC, @ DC
Hanover7-64-23-4@ MC, vs. TU, vs. BU
Manchester6-64-22-4vs. HC, @ AU, vs. RHIT, @ MSJ
Rose-Hulman4-103-41-6vs. DC, @ MC
Anderson2-122-50-7vs. MC, @ FC



                          BU     MSJ      DC      FC      TU      HC      MC    RHIT      AU
            Bluffton:             -1       2       0       1       1       0       2       0
    Mount St. Joseph:      1               0       1       0      -2      -1       2       2
            Defiance:     -2       0               1      -1       2       0       1       2
            Franklin:      0      -1      -1               0       2       0       2       1
        Transylvania:     -1       0       1       0              -1       0       2       0
             Hanover:     -1       2      -2      -2       1               1       0       2
          Manchester:      0       1       0       0       0      -1              -1       1
         Rose-Hulman:     -2      -2      -1      -2      -2       0       1               2
            Anderson:      0      -2      -2      -1       0      -2      -1      -2



With 13 games remaining, there are still 7 teams in contention for the league title. For the remaining 213 possible scenarios to close out the regular season, here are the percentages of those scenarios for which each team ends at the given seed in the conference tournament.  (This is based on my reading of the tie-breaker system, which might not be perfect.  Also, please note that these percentages should not be interpreted as "probabilities," as they treat each possible win/loss combination as equally likely.)

        Team              #1      #2      #3      #4            In tournament
            Bluffton:    53.8%   23.5%   10.8%    6.4%             94.6%
            Franklin:    11.1%   19.2%   21.9%   18.9%             71.2%
            Defiance:     6.8%   21.1%   24.0%   18.1%             70.1%
    Mount St. Joseph:    23.0%   19.6%   13.2%   11.9%             67.7%
        Transylvania:     2.7%    8.4%   10.8%   18.4%             40.2%
             Hanover:     1.3%    3.7%    9.0%   15.2%             29.3%
          Manchester:     1.2%    4.3%   10.2%   11.1%             26.9%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 08, 2007, 08:17:48 PM
Darryl-thanks for all the stats that you've been putting up.  It has been very helpful & has made the end of the season very interesting to follow.  Before I was only paying attention to DC, but now I've got my eyes & ears on every team. 
Wait!  I don't know now if I should thank you.  I'm now more consumed by HCAC basketball than my job!!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 09, 2007, 11:15:35 AM
the stats update have been great
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 10, 2007, 08:32:02 PM
Has been you dont do crap for your Job anyways just come home and play guitar hero.

I will be in SoCal on the 20th but dont really have any free time.  i have a feeeling i will be out there again pretty soon for a more extended period
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2007, 10:14:55 PM
Scores (the road teams go 3-1):
Bluffton loses at Transy, 65-75.
Defiance 61, RHIT 52
Hanover 83, Manchester 73
Franklin 83, MSJ 76

This resulted in a three-way tie at the top, and another three-way logjam below that:


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Bluffton9-57-02-5vs. MSJ, @ HC
Franklin9-53-36-2vs. DC, vs. AU
Defiance9-56-13-4@ FC, vs. TU
Hanover8-64-24-4vs. TU, vs. BU
Transylvania8-65-33-3@ HC, @ DC
Mount St. Joseph     8-65-23-4@ BU, vs. MC
Manchester6-74-32-4@ AU, vs. RHIT, @ MSJ
Rose-Hulman4-113-51-6@ MC
Anderson2-122-50-7vs. MC, @ FC



Here's the revised assessment of tournament options.  Manchester is no longer in the running for the top two spots, but still has an outside shot at making the tourney.  Franklin, Bluffton, and Defiance are at the top of the "likely in" group (although as I said before, these are not really probabilities, so "likely" is not the right word).

        Team              #1      #2      #3      #4            In tournament
            Franklin:    25.3%   24.3%   24.7%   14.2%             88.5%
            Bluffton:    36.0%   23.7%   15.8%   11.3%             86.8%
            Defiance:    23.5%   21.3%   25.3%   15.4%             85.5%
        Transylvania:     9.0%   10.4%   14.6%   22.3%             56.3%
             Hanover:     0.4%    8.2%   12.5%   19.7%             40.8%
    Mount St. Joseph:     5.8%   12.0%    6.2%   13.5%             37.6%
          Manchester:     0.0%    0.0%    0.9%    3.5%              4.4%

Unbreakable tie at top:          7.617%
Unbreakable tie across 4:       12.109%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 12, 2007, 02:58:11 PM
70dcalum-  I do plenty for my job!  Then I go home & rock out guitar hero.
On regards to you coming out to Cali, I'll be in Vegas from 21-24, but after that just give me a ring a few days ahead of time before you come out again.


On a basketball note- things are shaping up to what was predicted earlier w/ a tough battle to the end on who is going to claim ownership to the conf. championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 14, 2007, 10:11:37 AM
Darryl,
If you hear anything on the cancellation of the game tonight, could you post it on here please? I'm sure I'll hear from my brother, I'm not sure when that would be.

DC - You from Cali???  Are you Koren? and if you are, you still going to Grieser's wedding?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2007, 10:41:36 AM
Rod:

At this point, as far as I know, the game will go on tonight.  If I hear of a cancellation, I'll let you know.

Any word from other schools about possible cancellations?

(update) The Defiance/Franklin game has been postponed until tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2007, 12:55:35 PM
Here is confirmation that the MSJ/Bluffton games will be played, from an all-campus e-mail sent just after noon today:

QuoteThe men's and women's basketball games against Mt. St. Joe will be played tonight as scheduled.

The men are at home in Founders and tip-off is scheduled for 7:30 p.m.

The women are playing at Mt. St. Joe at 7:30 p.m.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 14, 2007, 01:40:26 PM
We'll see you there...Hopefully we can get through the counties with Level 3's and not get arrested...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2007, 01:55:55 PM
Rod:

I think you can travel through level-3 counties if you have urgent reason to. I'm sure the local police will let you through if you explain how crucial this game is toward determining the final standings in the HCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2007, 10:54:54 PM
The Beavers narrowly held on for a 66-65 win over MSJ.  After leading at halftime by 11, they saw MSJ go up by by 4 with 6 minutes to go, and had to scrap their way back to the lead.

Meanwhile, Transy beat Hanover 64-47.

With 7 games remaining, Bluffton and Transy* have secured a spot in the HCAC tourney, and the winner of tomorrow's Franklin/Defiance game will also be in.

*My program says that Transy is in; the HCAC web site doesn't yet show that.  I'm pretty sure the TU is guaranteed a spot, because I think enough tie-breakers go their way even if they lose at DC on Saturday ... however, this evening I discovered a flaw in my tie-breaking algorithm (now corrected), and there is one tie-breaker situation that I have not addressed yet (but I don't think it affects whether or not TU is in).


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Bluffton10-58-02-5@ HC
Franklin9-53-36-2vs. DC, vs. AU
Defiance9-56-13-4@ FC, vs. TU
Transylvania9-65-34-3@ DC
Mount St. Joseph8-75-23-5vs. MC
Hanover8-74-34-4vs. BU
Manchester6-74-32-4@ AU, vs. RHIT, @ MSJ
Rose-Hulman4-113-51-6@ MC
Anderson2-122-50-7vs. MC, @ FC


With tonight's loss, Hanover is eliminated from the tournament.  Here are the ways the scenarios can play out from here.  As things presently stand there is a good chance (18.75% of possible scenarios) that there will be an unbreakable tie between Bluffton and Transy for the #1 seed.  Would the location of the conference tournament really be decided based on the flip of a coin in that case?

On the bright side, there is no longer any chance of an unbreakable tie across the 4-5 seed; that is, the four teams that make the tournament will not depend on a flip of the coin (assuming my understanding of all the tie-breakers is correct.)

Update: I've modified my program to address the final tie-breaker possibility now; the table below reflects the numbers that arise with this change.  I'll look at my program again tomorrow, after I'd gotten caught up with my sleep.


        Team              #1      #2      #3      #4            In tournament
            Bluffton:    65.6%   31.3%    3.1%    0.0%            100.0%
        Transylvania:     9.4%   31.3%   21.9%   37.5%            100.0%
            Defiance:    12.5%   12.5%   50.0%   17.2%             92.2%
            Franklin:    12.5%   25.0%   25.0%   29.7%             92.2%
    Mount St. Joseph:     0.0%    0.0%    0.0%   12.5%             12.5%
          Manchester:     0.0%    0.0%    0.0%    3.1%              3.1%


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 15, 2007, 12:59:26 AM
Darryl, you are the man!  8) :) +K for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 15, 2007, 12:33:17 PM
Made it too and fro last night without a ticket, got lucky...

Got lucky in the game as well, hopefully we will get to host the tournament, I think it would be the best environment to play in anyway.

What bearings do the games tonight have on conference champions?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2007, 03:03:35 PM
The Defiance/Franklin winner is in the tournament with a 1, 2, or 3 seed; the loser can get no higher than a #3 seed.

Manchester must win out and get a little help in order to get a #4 seed.  If they win tonight, they get the #4 seed in 6.25% of possible scenarios.

(Standard disclaimer) assuming my understanding of, and algorithms for implementing, the tie breaker scheme is correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopsfanhcac on February 15, 2007, 03:38:10 PM
Could you please explain the tie breaker situation. what if have two teams have the same record and split regular season. Does it go to point spread in those games? or does it go to the overall record of the teams they lost to?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2007, 06:01:04 PM
Here is the tie-breaker, taken directly from the HCAC web site (misspellings and all):
QuoteHCAC standings are established by regular season will determine seeding positions
When ties in the final regular season standings occur the following steps will be used to break these ties.

  • Head-to-head competition
  • Competition against rank/order of regular season standings
  • If these two steps do not break the tie than a coin toss will be used

    • If the final standings have more than one tie then lower ties are resolved first
    • If there are multiple ties for a position, the tiebreaker process must start from the beginning each time a team is eliminated from teh tie
    • If there are more than two teams in an unbreakable tie than a lottery will be used to determine the seed positions
So point spread is not used (probably a good thing -- it means there is no incentive to run up the score).

Multiple ties are a pain, but I think I have interpreted the most reasonable way to implement this description.  However, I hesitate to say that my method is the ONLY reasonable way to do this -- so it is possible that Transy has actually NOT locked up a tourney berth.

I did some looking at other conference web pages today to see how they described their tie-breaker system.  In my brief examination, I couldn't find a description at the OAC or NCAC pages; I did find an interesting option at the Missouri Vally Conference pages that breaks ties using a "power rating" scheme.

My unbiased  ;) suggestion would be that in the event of an unbreakable tie, the nod should go to the team that was ranked lower in the pre-season poll.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopsfanhcac on February 15, 2007, 07:12:22 PM
Darryl
based on your tie-breaker situations... what if....

Defiance beats Transy, Hanover beats Bluffton and Mount beats MC. Then the 4 spot is a 3-way tie at 9-7. am i right on that? Then what?
What if Manchester wins out and Transy, HC and MC are all 9-7?

How is the "Competition against rank/order of regular season standings" determined?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2007, 09:47:40 PM
Hoopsfanhcac:

Here's the reasoning, as I see it, and as I implemented it in my program. I've highlighted (in boldface) a crucial interpretation of the rules which, if incorrect, would lead to a slight change in final standings ... and in particular would allow a chance for HC to make the tourney (which, I expect, you would find as welcome news).

Forgive the excruciating detail in this explanation; I am a math professor, so I cannot help myself.

For any scenario ending with MSJ, DC, and HC in a three-way tie for 4th place, we first do head-to-head competition, meaning (as I interpret it) we count how many wins each team has within that group.
Here is where I made a crucial interpretation of the rules which others might read differently:  Taking the requirements that
I interpreted that in a situation like this, we drop the lower team (MSJ), rather than raising the higher team (DC), and then we start over. Therefore, MSJ drops to 6th place, and we now must break the tie between DC and HC.  In this case, the result is the same either way: DC takes 4th place by virtue of their sweep of HC.

There are other scenarios that lead to FC, MSJ, and HC in a three-way tie for 4th.  In that case:
Everything proceeds as before: MSJ drops to 6th, then we compare FC and HC head-to-head, and FC takes 4th place because of their sweep over HC.  (Once again, my interpretation of the rules does not affect the outcome here.)

In the event of a three-way tie among MSJ/TU/HC or MC/TU/HC, my interpretation makes a difference.  Take the latter tie, for example. Within this group:
By my application of the tie-breaker, we drop MC, then start over.  HC and TU split the series, so head-to-head doesn't break the tie. Now we move on to "Competition against rank/order of regular season standings," which (as I understand it) means, compare each team in the tie group to the other teams, from the top of the standings down.  The teams at the top of the standings would include (in some order) FC, BU, and DC;  both TU and HC would be even against BU, but HC was swept by both FC and DC, while TU would have split against both. With a different interpretation of the tie-breaker, we could instead drop MC and raise HC (thus giving HC the #4 seed). 

Thanks for asking for more detail about this; I probably told you a lot more than you really wanted to hear, but it helped clarify things for me.

By the way, I see that MC did in fact beat AU tonight (69-66), so the scenario you described may arise.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2007, 10:16:15 PM
In other news, Franklin beat Defiance and locks up a tournament berth.

Hoopsfanhcac, the tiebreaker situation mentioned above (where HC could end up in the #4 seed) occurs in 6 of the possible 32 scenarios (18.75%), if I counted correctly.  (I didn't have the time to rewrite my program tonight; I've already spent WAY too much time on this.)

For those who did not have the patience to read my extra-long dissertation above:  If my interpretation of the tie-breaker rules is wrong, then HC gets the #4 seed in 18.75% of all possible scenarios (at the cost of Transy--their chance of getting in drops by that much).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopsfanhcac on February 15, 2007, 10:19:50 PM
Darryl
thanks, i read it a few times to understand it. i guess we'll just have to see how things play out
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2007, 08:03:50 AM
After looking at a few other conferences to see how they break multiple ties, it appears that the more common approach is not the one that I took.  (And as I thought about it more last night, it seemed like a more reasonable approach; my interpretation was based on reading too much into an unclear description.)

My overall conclusion is, the HCAC needs to review the tie-breaker description (and not just to correct the spelling errors).  They should also make the men's and women's descriptions the same; right now, I believe that both procedures are identical, but the descriptions are not.  (The women's tie-breaker description is even less-detailed than the men's.)

Links:
Missouri Valley Conference tiebreaker (http://www.mvc-sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7600&ATCLID=274386&SPID=2897&SPSID=41240)
MAC tiebreaker (http://mac-sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=42885&SPID=3793&DB_OEM_ID=9400&ATCLID=749253)
Big Sky tiebreaker (http://www.bigskyconf.com/article.asp?articleid=83620)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 16, 2007, 12:15:58 PM
The conference also needs to re-group and allow more then 4 teams into the conference tourney, even allowing 6 would make it a lot easier.  Good luck to all teams tomorrow, except for the ones that could win the conference besides Bluffton :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2007, 04:30:40 PM
Our local radio station evidently decided not to broadcast today's Bluffton/Hanover games, and I cannot connect to the SportsJuice broadcast.  I'd greatly appreciate any updates (or a final score, as the game should be ending soon).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2007, 05:44:08 PM
I've seen the score now  :-[
Hanover 82, Bluffton 68
In addition: Transy over Defiance, 61-58
And apparently, Franklin beat Anderson, although I cannot find a score.

The Manchester/Rose game is late, but is irrelevant to the final standings; the tournament will (I believe) consist of #1 Franklin, #2 (tie) Bluffton and Transy, and #4 Defiance.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 17, 2007, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 05, 2007, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2007, 10:09:57 AM
While I run the risk of talking to myself, I'll update the standings and matchup table for anyone who cares:

I care, Darryl.  Thanks for helping me and other interested posters/lurkers to keep up with the zany HCAC.
As the risk of sounding like David Collinge/Mark Hammill (I care!) I care too.... Do we need to put up a poll asking if anyone reads your posts again? ;) That probability chart puts all other people to shame... nice stuff. Esp given how confusing this league is right now!

Speaking of Polls, I thought the Transy Coach Brian Lane's interview on Hoopsville was awesome! I especially loved where he mentioned the poll we made about whether a Transy supporter would ever post. Good stuff! :D It's always sorta embarrassing to know that coaches (ie, the people that actually matter) are reading our nonsense though. :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 19, 2007, 08:10:49 AM
Sad one to watch on Saturday.  We have to bounce back and hopefully the guys will keep their confidence up and know that it is a new season now.  Transy is good, but very beatable, and I think Franklin will probably win the home game for them. 

I wonder what is wrong with the radio station Darryl, the last couple games haven't worked.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3hoopsluva on February 19, 2007, 02:14:25 PM
1st time poster...long time hoopster! It's tourney time and I am ramped up for some HCAC action! Who are the picks for this weekend?
Will the grizzlies be able to get it done in there own den against the "Shaq of the HCAC?
Will the 2 headed monster of Schweiderman and Anthony be too much for the defending champs of Transy?
Lets here those predictions gents..I've been waiting 2 long days for approval to post and I am ready to roll!
I just got my flight booked to Franklin Ind...a room at the Hilton...and a seat cushion for 2 exciting days.
See you in FRANKLIN!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2007, 02:40:33 PM
April: Thanks for mentioning Lane's interview.  I had missed it, but just listened to the archived broadcast.

I don't have predictions right now, but I'll add my vote of agreement with RO_24's call to revisit the 4-team tournament decision.  I think the line between 4th and 5th place is too thin to be used as the cutoff point.  On the women's side, it happened that the top 4 teams were the only ones with winning records, but on the men's side, Hanover, MSJ, and MC will be left out in the cold with records above (or at, or just below) .500.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 19, 2007, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2007, 02:40:33 PM
April: Thanks for mentioning Lane's interview.  I had missed it, but just listened to the archived broadcast.

I don't have predictions right now, but I'll add my vote of agreement with RO_24's call to revisit the 4-team tournament decision.  I think the line between 4th and 5th place is too thin to be used as the cutoff point.  On the women's side, it happened that the top 4 teams were the only ones with winning records, but on the men's side, Hanover, MSJ, and MC will be left out in the cold with records above (or at, or just below) .500.
I think it's one of the best interviews Hoopsville has done, and I think that's largely due to how obviously personable and informed Coach Lane is. Must be a fun guy to play for.

For a league like how the HCAC is this year, a larger tournament is not a bad idea at all... it seems a little silly to leave e out and c in when e has beaten c, and e and c barely have a different record at all... The CCIW is going to an 8 team tournament next year, and I think that has a lot to do with the parity in our league as well. Makes for a scary tournament for the league's regular season champ! But, I don't think anyone winning the CCIW tournament will represent the CCIW badly in the postseason compared to anyone else, and the same goes for the HCAC. Playing those extra sudden death sorta games helps in terms of getting teams prepared for the bigger dance. And, even better, in a league where there are so many teams over .500, getting that one extra win in the conference tourney helps the top teams in terms of their QOWI. Subsequently it helps the ranking in that final secret regional ranking used to determine C bids, seeds and hosting nods!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3hoopsluva on February 19, 2007, 08:51:51 PM
Lane and his antics are entertaining.

I am in complete agreement with you guys on changing the tourney format. Why not move to 6 teams and give the top 2 byes. Seems easy enough to me.
The league is young and sure to repeat in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-TU on February 20, 2007, 12:10:30 AM
Anyone have a link to the Brian Lane interview?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 12:11:18 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3hoopsluva on February 20, 2007, 08:42:05 PM
Great cover story on Transy's Nick Feagan. Its good to see kids out there still do it for the love of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 23, 2007, 10:19:31 AM
Predictions???

Bluffton - Transy (Split the series - but Transy has been coming on strong, and play a great zone press - hopefully the Beavers will attack successfully)

Franklin - Defiance (Always tough to play at Franklin with the one end of the floor dark as night, I can't see Defiance winning this one, unless someone other then Pettaway gets going, Maybe Sales(sp?)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2007, 10:34:31 AM
After swapping leads for the first 30 minutes or so, Transy pulled away from Bluffton to win by 12.

Meanwhile, Defiance overcame an 8-point halftime deficit to beat Franklin by 7.  The difference appears to have been at the FT line: DC went 29 for 45, for a less-than-impressive 64%, but that gave them 15 points more from the line than Franklin, who hit 14-21 (for a barely-more impressive 67%).

Transy beat DC twice during the regular season; can they pull off a third win on a neutral court?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2007, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2007, 10:34:31 AMThe difference appears to have been at the FT line: DC went 29 for 45, for a less-than-impressive 64%, but that gave them 15 points more from the line than Franklin, who hit 14-21 (for a barely-more impressive 67%).

Holy cow...sixty-six free throws? :o :o :o

That must have been one terrible game to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 24, 2007, 09:08:24 PM
Congrats to Transy for surviving the HCAC craziness this year! I got to watch a lot of the game on the free Penn-Atlantic broadcast... pretty sweet. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 24, 2007, 09:39:27 PM
congrats to Transy and Coach Lane on number 99 and two straight trips to the tourney, I think transy will be a tough match up in the tourney b/w their style and experience

Here it is Matt Parton, big time ball, better get some advice from your old man who looked great on the court at Bernard King's retirement ceremony.  Go Pioneers
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 25, 2007, 11:32:27 PM
haven't posted in a year but would just like to put in my 2 cents that the 4 team tourney sucks

wouldn't be that hard to have 8 and 9 play on Mon. Have your quarters on Wen. and Semis and Finals on Fri and Sat.

Just one extra game.  Stupid they went to 4 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on February 26, 2007, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 24, 2007, 09:39:27 PM
I think transy will be a tough match up in the tourney b/w their style and experience

So what is Transy's style?  I know last year they beat Wooster primarily riding Marc Bain's hot hand, but I'm not sure from looking at their stats what their style is this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 26, 2007, 12:30:06 PM
Quote from: cmhscots on February 26, 2007, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 24, 2007, 09:39:27 PM
I think transy will be a tough match up in the tourney b/w their style and experience

So what is Transy's style?  I know last year they beat Wooster primarily riding Marc Bain's hot hand, but I'm not sure from looking at their stats what their style is this year.

like the three about like usaul
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 26, 2007, 02:35:36 PM
Quote from: AUStudent on February 25, 2007, 11:32:27 PM
wouldn't be that hard to have 8 and 9 play on Mon. Have your quarters on Wen. and Semis and Finals on Fri and Sat.
Just one extra game.  Stupid they went to 4 teams.
I think there would be problems with having a play-in Monday night for the 8/9 teams; that would mean that players from one of those teams could potentially miss three days of classes that week (Monday/Wednesday/Friday).  As a professor, I would not be happy to have a student-athlete tell me that he might be missing an entire week of my MWF afternoon class because of the tournament.  I know that our athletic department has a policy limiting the number of games during the week, and I suspect others do, too.

One motivation for going to 4 teams was to avoid having a quarterfinal game on Tuesday (as we have done in the past).  As I understand it, this issue arose (at least in part) because Rose-Hulman's academic calendar has them taking exams during tournament week, and they did not want their students to compete during that time.

Mind you, I still support expanding the tournament, but including the #9 team might not be feasible.

Quote from: cmhscots on February 26, 2007, 09:48:45 AM
So what is Transy's style?  I know last year they beat Wooster primarily riding Marc Bain's hot hand, but I'm not sure from looking at their stats what their style is this year.
I've only seen them play once (and listened to them on the radio twice), but their top 4 scorers (Feagan, Verax, Searle, Cash) all hit 40% to 50% from 3-point range; as a team, they hit right around 40%.  They are very good at moving the ball around and finding an open shot.  Feagan, Searle, and Verax are especially troublesome because at 6-7, 6-6, and 6-5, you have to guard them inside and outside.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 26, 2007, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 26, 2007, 02:35:36 PM
Quote from: AUStudent on February 25, 2007, 11:32:27 PM
wouldn't be that hard to have 8 and 9 play on Mon. Have your quarters on Wen. and Semis and Finals on Fri and Sat.
Just one extra game.  Stupid they went to 4 teams.
I think there would be problems with having a play-in Monday night for the 8/9 teams; that would mean that players from one of those teams could potentially miss three days of classes that week (Monday/Wednesday/Friday).  As a professor, I would not be happy to have a student-athlete tell me that he might be missing an entire week of my MWF afternoon class because of the tournament.  I know that our athletic department has a policy limiting the number of games during the week, and I suspect others do, too.

One motivation for going to 4 teams was to avoid having a quarterfinal game on Tuesday (as we have done in the past).  As I understand it, this issue arose (at least in part) because Rose-Hulman's academic calendar has them taking exams during tournament week, and they did not want their students to compete during that time.

Mind you, I still support expanding the tournament, but including the #9 team might not be feasible.


I wouldn't be against leaving the #9 team out and just going with 8 like normal.  This year unless you had a class at 3 on Monday you wouldn't have missed class just going to Rose.  I see your point though if it was AU @ Transy at say 8 p.m. you still have to leave by no later than 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 01:52:16 PM
From the College of Wooster website:

» NCAA Div. III Tournament Ticket Information: There will be a pre-sale at Wooster's Physical Education Center Wednesday from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m., and Thursday also from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. as well as 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. On Friday, tickets will go on sale starting at noon, and the gates open at 4 p.m. Tickets are $6 for adults and $3 for all students. One ticket is good for both games on Friday.

I do not know what arrangements, if any, have been made for pre-sale tickets at Transylvania.

Capital plays Centre at 6pm, with the Wooster/Transylvania game to follow 30 mins. after the first game ends, not before 8pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 01, 2007, 10:02:44 AM
Why is this borad so dead? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2007, 10:56:44 AM
ScotsFan:

If you're asking why it's dead NOW, consider that most of the posts here came from non-Transy fans; the rest of us now have little to talk about.

If you're asking why it's dead most of the time (compared to other boards) ... I ask myself that same question quite often.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on March 01, 2007, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 01, 2007, 10:02:44 AM
Why is this borad so dead? ???

I seem to remember thinking that same thing last year when trying to find out more about Transy prior to Wooster's trip to Lexington.  Kind of reminds me of the OAC board!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 01:47:50 PM
You guys could always channel that interest you have in finding more about Transy into listening to the Transy coach's interview on Hoopsville... ;)

Maybe someone should print off flyers for D3hoops.com and bring them to the game. :D :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 01, 2007, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 01:47:50 PM
You guys could always channel that interest you have in finding more about Transy into listening to the Transy coach's interview on Hoopsville... ;)

Maybe someone should print off flyers for D3hoops.com and bring them to the game. :D :)

Transy's next game will be at Wooster, where there is no shortage of D3Hoops.com aficianados.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 01:58:18 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 01, 2007, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 01:47:50 PM
You guys could always channel that interest you have in finding more about Transy into listening to the Transy coach's interview on Hoopsville... ;)

Maybe someone should print off flyers for D3hoops.com and bring them to the game. :D :)
Transy's next game will be at Wooster, where there is no shortage of D3Hoops.com aficianados.
I know.... that's what I'm saying. The Wooster d3hoops.com posters can mob random Transy fans at the game and give them flyers about posting on the site! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on March 01, 2007, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 01, 2007, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 01:47:50 PM
You guys could always channel that interest you have in finding more about Transy into listening to the Transy coach's interview on Hoopsville... ;)

Maybe someone should print off flyers for D3hoops.com and bring them to the game. :D :)

Transy's next game will be at Wooster, where there is no shortage of D3Hoops.com aficianados.

I'll be curious to see how well Transy travels.  I seem to remember that there were pretty good crowds for the games in Lexington last year, but based on the level of activity in here they may not be that willing to drive 5 hours for a game.  I'd be willing to bet that at least one attendee from last year - Tubby Smith - won't be making an appearance in Wooster!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 01, 2007, 02:47:00 PM
This board has more going on then the football board.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 05:01:02 PM
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Could someone here do one for Transy? Obviously it probably won't be a Transy fan, but I'm sure someone's seen them enough to do one.... Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-TU on March 01, 2007, 08:57:41 PM
Can't be giving out Transy's secrets to the public!

I do know that last year Transy traveled to Wooster and played very well, nearly won the game. I think the final margin was 6 or 7.  However that was with 7 seniors.  Not positive but I believe Wooster returns everybody but Witucky?

Transy will bring a full crowd, their fans are pretty faithful.  I believe they sold out their allotment last year at Wittenburg in the first hour or two because we had to get tickets another way. 

The new kids for TU will be hit with nerves when they realize how many fans Wooster will pack that gym with.  I am hoping to make it, but have not purchased tickets.

Good Luck Transy.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 01, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
Quote from: HCAC-TU on March 01, 2007, 08:57:41 PM
I do know that last year Transy traveled to Wooster and played very well, nearly won the game. I think the final margin was 6 or 7.  However that was with 7 seniors.  Not positive but I believe Wooster returns everybody but Witucky?

I remember that game; it was two years ago (12/30/04), and Wooster won 80-74.  Here's a recap of that game, with a box score. (http://athletics.wooster.edu/mb/recaps/2004-05/transy.php)  It was a very good game, and I remember we were all very, very impressed by Transy, a team most of us knew nothing about before that weekend.  I remember I wanted to see more of TU, so later that season I drove however many hours through a snowstorm to Hanover to watch the TU/HC game. 

Then of course last season, Transy with the aforementioned 7 seniors beat Wooster in the NCAA 2nd round 91-88 in Lexington.  Recap and box score.  (http://athletics.wooster.edu/mb/recaps/2005-06/transy.php) Wooster returns everyone who played in that game, except Witucky.

The rubber match tomorrow should be excellent.  Safe travels to all Transy fans making the trek.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 02, 2007, 08:00:49 AM
Requesting prayers:
Quote6 Dead in Charter Bus Wreck on I-75


Provided By:  The Associated Press
Last Modified: 3/2/2007 7:48:43 AM

ATLANTA (AP) -- A charter bus carrying a college baseball team from Ohio plunged off a highway ramp early Friday and slammed into the pavement below, killing at least six people and scattering sports equipment across the road, authorities said.

The bus carrying the team from Bluffton University toppled off the Northside Drive bridge onto Interstate 75, police spokesman Joe Cobb said.

At least six of the 35 people aboard were killed and others were injured.

"It's bad, I know that," he said. "It's hard to describe. The bus is completely annihilated."
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 02, 2007, 08:27:12 AM
Six Killed in Bluffton baseball bus crash... this is just awful.   Our thoughts and prayers to all in the Bluffton Family:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6522208
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on March 02, 2007, 08:38:52 AM
My thoughts and prayers to all the families involved.  I heard about it this morning as I was walking into the office...So unfortunate.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on March 02, 2007, 09:42:52 AM
As a former Basketball and Baseball player at Earlham each year we went up against the Beavers... My heart and prayers goes out to the college and all affected!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on March 02, 2007, 10:08:02 AM
wow  :'( :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 01:11:46 PM
Oh God, this so profoundly upsetting.  :'(

My prayers are with the Bluffton college community today for the safety and recovery of those still alive, and the families and friends of those who were killed who are going through a lot of shock and anguish right now....  :'( :'( :'(

Life is so fragile...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 01:29:06 PM
There is a ton of information including pictures and first hand accounts on the Atlanta newspaper site:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/03/02/0302buscrash.html
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 01:40:05 PM
Air Tran is offering free flights to families...

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/metro/stories/2007/03/02/0302airtran.html
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 02, 2007, 04:59:44 PM
Fontbonne wishes to offer our deepest sympathy to the entire Blufton Family. We lost a player on the floor and 22 years ago while at Missouri Baptist we lost two players driving to a game. Words will not help now. But will in a couple of weeks. God Bless All the Families. I will light a candle in our Chapel to burn for those in pain.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on March 02, 2007, 11:18:48 PM
Man Transy got smoked
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WooMix on March 02, 2007, 11:40:18 PM
I kinda think that Wooster let the handle off in the second half.  It could have been worse for Transy.  I'm sure those who watched the second half or the entire game for that matter will echo the same sentiments.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 02, 2007, 11:58:31 PM
Report from Wooster where I watched Wooster beat Transy 92-66

This game was essentially over at the half as Wooster played very tough defense and held Transy to only 32% shooting in the first half while the Scots were on fire with 60%.  At the Half:  Woo 48  Transy 27

Wooster was led tonight by James Cooper with 21 points, Tom Port with 19 points (5 of 6 behind the arc), Brandon Johnson with 17 points and Tim Vandervaart with 9 points.

As a team, Wooster made 9 of 16 three pointers tonight (56%) and also won the rebound battle by a 35-25 count.

Transy was led by Joey Searle with 20 points, Joey Verax with 12 points and Nick Feagan with 11 points.  The Pioneers shot only 41% from the floor and only 7 of 22 from behind the arc but this was primarily due to Wooster's defense which was tough.

Congratulation to the Transylvania Pioneers on a nice season and to Seniors Nick Feagan, Joey Searle and Gary Mouser on fine college careers!

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 09, 2007, 11:08:25 AM
I am a North Central/CCIW conference fan who normally posts in the CCIW room. We played Bluffton in basketball this season in our season opening tournament. I got to talk with a couple of the players and their families after the game---just before the basketball team got on the bus to head back to Ohio. They were a great group. What a tradegy the baseball team bus crash was/is for the entire BU family.

Now, unfortunately there is more shock and suffering to overcome as I ran across this sad news this morning:

Breaking news from CNN.com:

The Associated Press reports that an Ohio baseball player pulled from the wreckage of an Atlanta bus crash that killed four of his teammates died this morning, raising the crash death toll to seven, a hospital spokeswoman said.

The thoughts and prayers of the North Central community go out to the Bluffton team members, families, school, and community.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on May 21, 2007, 12:06:14 PM
Bluffton Basketball has been in Europe touring, and played 3  games, going 2-1 against various level teams in England and France.

They lost in London on the first night of the trip by 7, I'll take the blame on scheduling that game, we landed and they hadn't slept in 24 hours previous to the games beginning, they were dead..

Played against Tremblay, and Nationale 3 team in France (comparable to D3 basketball) and won by 6 against a bigger and more athletic team, just not basketball savy team.  Finished their schedule against Dreux on Saturday evening winning by 18 I believe, they looked very good in this game, looked as though everyone played together.  Everyone on the team played quite a bit, including guys who played on the JV team all last year. 

They, along with the rest of the cross-cultural crew will be in Nice and Monaco this week before returning to the states.  Just thought I would pass that on to anyone interested in reading.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on July 20, 2007, 09:20:36 PM
Here's an update from Ohio (or rather, an update of Ohio from North Dakota).  Schedules are not complete as regards tournament pairings unless otherwise noted:

OAC:
Baldwin-Wallace:  men (http://www.bw.edu/athletics/mbb/sched/); women  (http://www.bw.edu/athletics/wbb/sched/)
Capital:  men (http://www.capital.edu/internet/default.aspx?pid=13225); women (http://www.capital.edu/internet/default.aspx?pid=13230)
Heidelberg (not posted)
John Carroll (not posted)
Marietta:  men (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/mbasketball/schedule.html); women (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/wbasketball/schedule.html)
Mount Union:  men (http://www.muc.edu/athletics/men_s_teams/basketball/2007_08_schedule); women (http://www.muc.edu/athletics/women_s_teams/basketball/2007_08_women_s_basketball_schedule)
Muskingum (not posted)
Ohio Northern (not posted)
Otterbein (not posted)
Wilmington:  men (http://www2.wilmington.edu/mens-basketball/calendar.cfm?month=07&curr_year=2007); women (http://www2.wilmington.edu/womens-basketball/calendar.cfm?month=07&curr_year=2007)

NCAC:
Allegheny:  men  (http://www.allegheny.edu/athletics/menbb/results.php)(complete); women (http://www.allegheny.edu/athletics/womenbb/results.php)
Denison (not posted)
Earlham (not posted)
Hiram (not posted)
Kenyon:  men  (http://athletics.kenyon.edu/x23821.xml)(complete); women (http://athletics.kenyon.edu/x23822.xml)
Oberlin (not posted)
Ohio Wesleyan (not posted)
Wabash (not posted)
Wittenberg:  men  (http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/mbasketball/schedule07-08.html)(complete); women (http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/wbasketball/schedule07-08.html)
Wooster:  men (not posted); women  (http://athletics.wooster.edu/wb/schedule.php)(complete)

HCAC:
Anderson: (I couldn't get to their %#*@^ website) :-[
Bluffton:  men (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/mensbasketball/2008/schedule.html); women (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/womensbasketball/2008/schedule.html)
Defiance:  men (not posted); women (http://www.defiance.edu/athletics/womens_basketball_schedule_0708.html)
Franklin:  men (http://www.franklincollege.edu/athweb/ath_calendar.cfm?sid=2); women (http://www.franklincollege.edu/athweb/ath_calendar.cfm?sid=9)
Hanover:  men (http://sports.hanover.edu/hcmbbresults.htm); women (http://sports.hanover.edu/hcwbbresults.htm)
Manchester (not posted)
Mt. St. Joseph:  men (http://www.msj.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/sched0708/index.asp); women (http://www.msj.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/sched0708/index.asp)
Rose-Hulman:  men  (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/0708mbb.htm)(complete); women  (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/wbasket/0708wbb.htm)(complete)
Transylvania:  men  (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/m_basketball/07schedule.htm-folder-men-sub-m_basketball-topic-m_basketball)(complete); women  (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/w_basketball/07schedule.htm-folder-women-sub-w_basketball-topic-w_basketball)(complete)

Other Ohio schools:
Case Western Reserve:  men (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/winter/mbasketball/schedule.htm); women (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/winter/wbasketball/schedule.htm)
Lake Erie (not posted)

Yes, I know these are not all Ohio schools, but they are the three conferences with at least 3 Ohio schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on September 06, 2007, 04:38:57 PM
Most rosters for the conference have been posted.  Any thoughts? Not sure about AU's roster yet. Dont know many of the Transy kids (KY).  Looks like Hanover added some good size and a quality guard
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on September 18, 2007, 01:31:06 PM
haterinthehouse:

Based on my look at team pages around the conference:

(On the women's side, it appears that the women's rosters at FC, HC, and MSJ are not caught up with the men's side, while the AU women have an up-to-date roster, as do BU and TU.)

I don't pretend to have any advance information about any of the newcomers, and I'll avoid making any comments about my favorite team, but a few observations:
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on September 21, 2007, 12:06:51 PM
News flash (well, it was news to me ... perhaps others already knew):  This year's conference tournament will include the top SIX teams instead of just the top four.  Instead of having a Tuesday night "play-in" followed by a Friday/Saturday "final four," there will be #3 vs. #6 and #4 vs. #5 games on Friday night, #1 vs. #4/5 and #2 vs. #3/6 Saturday, and the championship game Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2007, 01:20:19 AM
Ugh. Another Sunday title game? We're never going to get a good NCAA bracket this way.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on September 24, 2007, 09:15:22 AM
I guess good news for the HCAC middle-of-the-pack is not good news for everyone.

By the way, last year I heard an explanation for why we dropped early-week play-in games (which last year led to the tournament field shrinking to 4 teams, and this year pushed the championship game to Sunday).  We made the change when Rose-Hulman joined the conference; their winter term final exam schedule last year coincided with the week before the tournament, and they (admin and faculty) did not want players to miss exams for games.  This year, the tournament is a week later, so their exams occur during the last week of the regular season, and they have indeed avoided scheduling a Wednesday night game during that week.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buck23 on September 25, 2007, 07:09:37 PM
Hi Everyone, I'm new here and I follow the HCAC with Bluffton being my team. I live in Bluffton, I am family friends with Coach Neal, my sister plays for the womens team and my parents are donors. I hope to talk a bunch with ya'll come bball season!


GO BEAVERS!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on September 26, 2007, 01:12:38 PM
Darryl,

I heard that last year, Neuman from Hanover told me that when I hung out with him.  I was hoping this 4-team deal would be a quick bust, because it wasn't much fun.

Ready for the season this year though...

Buck, Welcome - Have to love having another Beaver here
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on October 09, 2007, 05:47:04 PM
 :D :D :D sounds funny , Bucky the Beaver fan :D :D :D ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on October 10, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
The conference play-off alignment would have been nice last year, considering that any of the top 6 could have competed for the tournament championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buck23 on October 16, 2007, 07:54:31 PM
I have only been to 3 HCAC gyms, but which of the ones you have been to is the loudest?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rreucher24 on October 17, 2007, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: Buck23 on October 16, 2007, 07:54:31 PM
I have only been to 3 HCAC gyms, but which of the ones you have been to is the loudest?

I'm biased, as I played in Founders Hall for 4 years, but I would say, without a doubt, Bluffton students are the LOUDEST and most voicestrous for Wednesday night games of all the conference gyms (and non-conference for that matter). 2nd is Defiance. 3rd is Transy. 4th is Franklin. 5th is Manchester. 6th is Hanover. 7th is MSJ. Andersons aer the worst I think. Too spread out; not a true student section.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 17, 2007, 02:25:05 PM
Buck23: I've only been in two HCAC gyms, so you're ahead of me.

Ricky: Welcome to the board.

Any Anderson fans out there:  As of yesterday, the AU men's roster for the new year is posted ... or is it?  It lists no freshmen, and only 8 returning players.  While I can believe the number of returning players (the 7 who did not return got little playing time last year), no incoming freshmen seems unlikely.  If it were true, this would be the first time since I started keeping track that a team had no freshmen (Bluffton had only 1 in '04-05), and would be the smallest roster I've ever seen.  (Last year's Hanover women had 9.)

So, what's the story?  Are there freshmen on the AU men's squad?  Perhaps the coach wants to keep his new recruits under wraps for now.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rreucher24 on October 19, 2007, 02:30:52 PM
looks lke bluffton is having some inside issues....i dont want to release anything but it's not a good situation for a promising player.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on October 19, 2007, 09:21:07 PM
AU has freshman, they are just not listed.  If you visit the IndyStar online and view the preps website you will eventually be able to navigate through a list of all college prospects who have committed to schools.  AU brought in a pretty solid recruiting class. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 19, 2007, 09:43:25 PM
Hater - Thanks for the response.  It seemed unlikely that AU would go completely dry, with the successful recruiting years they've had recently.

Along with the AU frosh, we're still awaiting rosters for MC and RHIT for both men and women, and FC and DC on the women's side.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on October 22, 2007, 04:13:55 PM
Hey everyone, I guess I am the AU rep on the board as it looks like nobody else is on here from AU. 
This years incoming class is actually probably the most talented I have seen at AU since I've been around.  They have 5-6 solid freshman who can have an immediate impact along with a JUCO transfer who will start and possibly be the best player immediately.  Coach Slyder is starting his 3rd season and has put together a solid group after some down years at the end of the last coach's time.  With (I believe) the top 5 scorers coming back this year, things are looking up at Anderson after some down years recently.  I would not be surprised to see them get back to the run and gun O and pressure D that put up a lot of points and brought some success in the early 2000's.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 27, 2007, 04:18:50 AM
I would agree that AU has a solid class.  Coach Slyder keeps on bringing in solid classes and I think this is the year to turn things around.  It is good to see Fultz back.  He will have a great soph year.  I hope Holliday can stay healthy. 

How about Hanover?  Any word on their freshman class.  I have heard they had a pretty good year recruiting.  I have been told they have two impact players in a guard from Speedway and a post from New Albany.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 29, 2007, 03:55:47 PM
As of today, Anderson officially has freshmen! (Not that I ever doubted the comments of haterinthehouse, wc4252, and HCACBBALL.)  The online AU roster was updated some time this afternoon to include 9 freshmen and 2 junior transfers.

That leaves us with two missing rosters on the men's side (MC and RHIT), and two missing for the women (FC and RHIT).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 30, 2007, 10:12:31 AM
The HCAC men's preseason poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2007/10_30_mbball_preseason.htm) was posted this morning.  In brief:

TeamPoints (First-place votes)
Franklin
75 (5)
Defiance
73 (3)
Transy
55
Hanover
52
Bluffton
42
MSJ
34
Anderson
30 (1)
Manchester
26
RHIT
18
At least in the minds of the coaches, there is a bit more preseason clarity than there was in last year's poll, when 5 points separated #4 from #9:
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 01, 2006, 09:12:40 AM
1. Franklin (4) -- 72
2. Transylvania (3) -- 63
3. Hanover -- 49
4. Mount St. Joseph (1) -- 39
5. Anderson -- 39
6. Manchester -- 38
7. Defiance -- 36
8. Rose-Hulman (1) -- 35
9. Bluffton -- 34
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 31, 2007, 04:20:40 AM
Should be a interesting year in the HCAC.  I would say that AU is going to make a rise up the list.  However, if I had to make a decision who will win the conference I would go with Defiance.  They are quietly building a great program. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 31, 2007, 09:15:34 AM
Manchester's roster is posted.  We had previously noted on this board the 16 freshmen on MSJ's roster (that number is now down to 14).  Manchester has that beat with 18 freshmen, along with 4 sophomore transfers, as part of a conference-high 33-man roster.  (MSJ is a distant second with 24.)

HCACBBALL -- I agree that Defiance should be tough this year.  Last year's squad had no seniors, and three of the top four scorers are back (Mike Floyd did not return after scoring 10.4ppg as a freshman).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on October 31, 2007, 01:48:23 PM
I am surprised to see Transy that high.  I know they are always solid but I can't see them finishing ahead of Hanover.  I would also agree that Anderson will move up that list, it'll be interesting to see how the young talent comes together with the new guys.  I look for a top 5 finish out of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on November 05, 2007, 10:29:09 AM
Bluffton traveled to Witt for a scimmage on Saturday, and came away with an 8 point victory.   Although Witt is down this year, Bluffton looked to play well together and sustain the runs made by Witt when they made them.  I'm hoping that the referees will not be as tic-tacky as they were Saturday or games will be lasting 3-4 hours...I bet an over/under for fouls would range upwards of 90 called in the 40 minute game..Ridiculous...

All-in-all Bluffton looked pretty good, now hopefully we can stay healthy and get everyone back before the opener.  Scrimmage at home Friday against B-W. 

how did everyone else look in their first Pre-Season scrimmage?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rreucher24 on November 05, 2007, 06:06:06 PM
That's nice to hear.

What kind of offense did coach have 'em running?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on November 09, 2007, 12:10:06 AM
Anderson scrimmaged Ball State and played pretty solid.  They were able to keep it close and even had it within 1 in the second half before BSU pulled away toward the end to a 20 point win.  The talent level is definitely up at AU and from what I saw this team's athleticism is going to cause some problems in the HCAC.  It looks like Coach Slyder has brought back the uptempo O and pressure D that brought some success a few years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on November 10, 2007, 03:23:22 PM
Bluffton scrimmaged BW last night in Bluffton and came away with a 2 point W.  Lost the first half by 2 and won the second half by 4.  BW isn't a Top 25 team though, they had a couple good players, but I didn't see a Top 25 team here...
Hopefully Bluffton will be able to keep it going heading into their opener next weekend in PA. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 12, 2007, 09:06:19 AM
All rosters are posted now (RHIT's came up some time last week).

Over the weekend, Manchester's roster dropped to a more manageable size of 21, as 12 names disappeared, including 8 of their 18 freshmen, and 3 of their 4 sophomore transfers.  I had assumed they would lose a few people eventually, but I hadn't expected such a big group all at once; perhaps this was the coach's decision, rather than 12 individual choices.

Conference rosters now range in size from 14 (HC) and 15 (RHIT) to 23 (MSJ).

Good luck to all conference teams this coming weekend.  Rod:  Cheer extra loud on my behalf for the Beavers.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 15, 2007, 09:20:28 AM
what do you do with 25 kids on your roster?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 15, 2007, 09:38:55 AM
Quote from: M and L on November 15, 2007, 09:20:28 AM
what do you do with 25 kids on your roster?

Play a JV schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2007, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 15, 2007, 09:38:55 AM
Quote from: M and L on November 15, 2007, 09:20:28 AM
what do you do with 25 kids on your roster?

Play a JV schedule.

Or get tips from Grinnell.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 16, 2007, 10:06:09 PM
Bluffton over Westminster, 82-79
Hanover over Denison, 63-51
Rose-Hulman over Montclair State, 68-56
Franklin 77, Olivet 53
MSJ 116, St. Joseph's 73
Defiance falls to Wilmington, 57-59

5-1 so far ... No report (that I could find, yet):
Anderson
Transy
Manchester
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2007, 12:02:39 AM
Darryl  - I did a brief write up of Transy game in SLIAC room  -  they lost pretty badly to Webster..70-54
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 17, 2007, 09:12:11 AM
Thanks, hopefan.  Additionally, Anderson lost to Thomas More 75-84, and Manchester beat Taylor-Fort Wayne 79-69.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on November 19, 2007, 08:03:30 AM
Sorry I never posted when I got home from the PA tournament. 

Bluffton obviously finished 1-1.  They looked good at times, and not so good at other times.  They had way too many TO's.  Other teams would trap the post and no one knew what to do, it was ugly and frusterating, I can imagine they were even more frusterated.   They played Carthage well, and if there wasn't a lid on the hoop they would've won that game by 10. 

They have Wright State Lake tomorrow, not sure if Colt will go (sprained ankle in 1st game).  Hopefully they don't look past these guys and will come out and get a large margin of victory while working on a couple of things.

Forgot - Taylor and Wilson made the All-Tourney team.  Aaron had a solid final game, and Wilson was good on the boards all weekend long.  Hopefully their play will continue to be at the level of this weekend.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 19, 2007, 01:31:42 PM
Thanks for the report, Rod, esp. about the all-tournament team.  (My feeling is that the host school should at least list the all-tournament team, as well as the scores for all games, following a tournament, but the only mention of the all-tournament team I can find at Westminster's site is a reference to the lone WC honoree in the story about the third-place game.*)

I was wondering about Colt; he had 18 in the first game, but in the second game went 0-4 from the field and 2-2 from the line despite playing 30 minutes.

I agree that WS-Lake should be a good chance to work out some kinks.  (Last year, every dressed player got in for at least 5 minutes, and all but one scored.)

*(edit) Well, now that I look at the box score from the championship game, I see that the all-tourney team is listed there ... but that box score is at Bluffton's web site (and also, I assume, Carthage's); it does not seem to be anywhere at Westminster's site.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 19, 2007, 09:32:21 PM
Regular poster Wally Wabash has a very good (albeit Wabashcentric) post giving highlights of tonight's Hanover/Wabash game over in the NCAC room --> click here (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4200.msg816339#msg816339).  There's understandably not a lot of detail about Hanover players, but otherwise it is an excellent summary of the game action.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on November 26, 2007, 08:22:53 AM
Hope the holidays treated you all well.

Haven't been on here for a bit, so I'll give a quick summary of the 2 Bluffton Games...

Tuesday night beat Wright State Lake Campus by 20.  It was a brutally ugly game, not sure what was going on, and nothing all that positive to summarize except everyone got to play in this game.

Saturday afternoon traveled to Heidelberg.  Heidelberg is the real deal.  They came out guns a blazin, as they made 11-20 3 Pt shots in the 1st half, most of those were in the 1st 10 minutes, and 4 or 5 came from Lemmon.  Quick scouting report on Lemmon if anyone in the OAC looks at this board.  When he shoots a 3, He will take a quick dribble or two to the left and pull up, he did that 6 times and made 4 in the first half Saturday. 

After the onslaught of the first 10 minutes, the game was played evenly throughout with Heidelberg winning by 20, 96-76.  Hopefully the guys can pull it together this week, with a game home vs. Hiram, and than conference opener at Franklin Satruday...

Can anyone else report on their respective teams?

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 26, 2007, 06:52:24 PM
Franklin split two games down in FL. They won handily at Webber International 82-57 and dropped a close one to NCAA DII Eckard 71-66 to move their record to 2-1. Easy win to start the season at Olivet 77-53 the weekend before Thanksgiving. 

Prior to the conference opener on 12/1 against Bluffton, the Grizzlies travel to the University of Indianapolis another D2 school.

This year's Grizzly roster is a bit lean on size but has 4/5 starters back and the entire bench plus a solid newcomer that transferred in from the University of Indianapolis.  Look for the Grizzlies to make a solid run for the top seed in the conference tourney. Lot of tough games though along the way
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2007, 05:04:16 PM
The online broadcast from Franklin just ended, with Bluffton hanging on for the win on the road, 96-90.  The Beavers led by as much as (I think) 16 midway through the second half, but Franklin got as close as 3 late.

d3scoreboard.com has Defiance leading Anderson by 8 at halftime ... I assume that game is over by now.*  Also, Hanover picked up a road win, knocking off RHIT 58-47.

There's no report on the d3scoreboard.com about the MC-MSJ game, but I just heard online that the Spartans got the win, 87-85.

*Sometime between me checking the scoreboard, and posting this comment, the DC/AU final score was posted:  Defiance 74, AU 67.

**Second edit to add the Manchester/MSJ score.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2007, 03:57:38 PM
By the way, RO_24, listening to the Bluffton-Franklin broadcast yesterday made me think of the game at Franklin in 2001 -- the only other time Bluffton has won at Franklin.  I expect your memory of that game is pretty vivid, but here is the game story (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/dept/mensbasketball/2000-2001/results/01-17fra.htm) for others to read.  (Warning:  Might be painful for Franklin fans.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 03, 2007, 08:15:59 AM
Darryl, sure do remember that game.  I think it was some kind of record at the time, who knows if it is now or not...They looked pretty decent at times, and a little complacent at others.  I thought they played real hard though, and when things went wrong for them in the 2nd half they pulled together and found a way out of the rut they were in and pulled through.  Nice win to get the conference rolling, big test Wednesday as well.  Stat of the game in my opinion, 11-14 2nd half FG's, and 14 TO's in the 2nd half.  If they take care of the ball it's a 14-18 pt win.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2007, 09:33:33 AM
RO_24:  Turnovers have been a problem this season -- 113 in 6 games.  Listening to the game Saturday, there was a stretch midway through the second half where it seemed like "he threw the ball away!" (about various Bluffton players) was a recurring theme.

By the way, in case the Franklin radio crew is reading this, I chuckled when I heard you use the line "Boom goes the dynamite!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W45DRy7M1no) in response to a Grizzly three-pointer in the first half.

Travel safely, Defiance team and fans (and Bluffton women and fans who are heading north) -- the snow is piling up outside, and I have to find something to do with my kids since school was canceled.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2007, 09:45:20 PM
C.J. Johnson hit a game-high 30, including 8 treys, to lead Defiance over Bluffton, 86-70.  Johnson hit three 3s in the first couple of minutes to give DC a 9-0 lead, and it never got much closer than that; Bluffton put together a some surges that cut the lead to single digits a couple of times, but Defiance always had an answer.

Elsewhere, RHIT pulls off the upset at Franklin, 59-58; the Grizzlies are now 0-2 in the conference, with both losses at home.

In fact, the home court was not friendly for anyone in the conference, as Transy and Hanover picked up road wins over Anderson and MSJ.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 06, 2007, 11:42:33 AM
tough one last night for the Beavers...They had their oppurtunities.  According to the Play-by-play page they missed 14 Lay-Up in the 1st Half, and that is not an exaggeration.  Hopefully they will have an answer when we go to Defiance and play.

This weekend is a meeting with RHIT, and even though they haven't seemed to be good in the past, they are surprising people thusfar this season...Hopefully the guys will show up to play and be ready to pick up another big Road Victory.

Who does everyone else have?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCACBBALL on December 08, 2007, 04:54:41 AM
I have moved out of the region.  How has Anderson looked in the early part of the season?  I see they are 0-2 in conference but have played 2 tough opponents.  How does it look for Saturday vs MSJ?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 17, 2007, 12:01:25 PM
In checking conference rosters this morning, I note a HUGE change that quietly happened at Defiance:  guard Mike Floyd, who last year scored 10.4 ppg, and started every game, as a freshman, and was missing from the Yellow Jacket roster at the beginning of this season, has reappeared.  He is currently listed at the bottom of the roster without a number, but I assume he will move into the rotation quickly, and perhaps even regain his starting role. 

As much as it pains me to say it: DC was already looking strong with a 3-0 start in the conference; this will make them even tougher to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 17, 2007, 12:52:36 PM
I was talking to Heil when they played Bluffton, and he said that Floyd is transferring back in at the end of the semester.  So that will make him eligible for the rest of the conference season I believe...Could be bad news for the HCAC.  Hopefully they won't gel very well and they will fight over the ball, and end up choking away their season.  Just playin.

Bluffton travels up to Kalamazoo tomorrow night, hopefully will be a good W going into the Christmas break. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 18, 2007, 10:43:47 AM
Transy as usual has a well-coached and efficient team.  The Pioneers ran into a hot Maryville team but it was a great game to watch (and win).  The Maryville newspaper is doing a great job covering D3 sports and we want to encourage the editors to keep it up...your clicking on this link will help, and also give a good sense of what a good game it was.  I sure wish Parton had stayed closer to home.

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20071218/SPORTS/767096088

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2007, 11:19:34 AM
Thanks for the link, scottiedoug.  That was one of the more amusingly creative write-ups I've read in a while:
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 18, 2007, 07:11:45 PM
For anyone that is interested, I went to the Hope College site http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/announce2.html & at this link is shows that Defiance beat UW-Oshkosh 53-46.  If this is accurate that is a big win for DC & two losses in a row for Oshkosh.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 18, 2007, 07:38:10 PM
Its accurate, Defiance beat Oshkosh.

This link will take you to livestats for tommorrows Defiance game, and all of the RDV Classic games.

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/livestats/
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 19, 2007, 08:18:55 AM
Not the way Bluffton wanted to go into the Christmas break, but MAYBE they will learn that they need to bring everything they have to the table every night.  Kalamazoo killed them on the boards, beat them down the court, and held them to sub-35% from the field.  BU missed numerous lay-ups.  I think it's time to bring out the Football dummy pads and do some banging while they go in for layups, because their shooting better from the FT line than they are from less than 4 feet. 

Hopefully we'll get it back, and be ready for Millikin in the Holiday Tourney next Friday. 

Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 31, 2007, 08:47:30 AM
Hope everyone had a nice Christmas break.  Since I'm sitting here at work bored out of my mind all day, I'll give a quick rundown of this weekends Holiday Tournament.

Bluffton won the Holiday Tournament against ODU on a last second 15 footer by Nate O.  Shouldn't have came down to that, but it did and they pulled it out, so I'm sure they are happy with the championship for the fourth consecutive year.  Friday nights game was a pretty good game, as the Beavers beat Milikin by 9.  Rufe played a very good game, he was pretty active as well as PJ Juenger.  Taylor attacked the bucket and had a good floor game, and Colt looked like he is finding his stroke.

Saturday night the Beavers played Ohio Dominican, and came out a firin.  Everyone played in the 1st half, and nearly everyone scored.   But Mr. Hyde was waiting on the court for Bluffton in the Second half.  They lost their 17 point halftime lead within 8 minutes, and only scored 25 points in the second half.  Game ended on the 15 footer at the buzzer, so that was exciting. 

2nd half of the HCAC season begins Saturday as Anderson comes to town.

No one really stood out for the Beavers this weekend, they had 5 guys in double figures on Friday ranging from 10-15 Points, and than only had 2 players on Saturday in double figures, each with 10 points. 

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 05, 2008, 05:19:57 PM
Rats -- I had nearly finished composing a long detailed message about today's results, then hit the wrong key and lost it all. Rather than reproduce all of it, here's the quick summary: road teams went 3-1 today; only one close game (TU over RHIT by 3); the Beavers are now 2-0 on the road and 0-2 at home, with both losses attributable (at least in part) to a hot-shooting guard on the other team:  C.J. Johnson's 30 for Defiance, and today Mike Russell's 37 (hitting 9 of 13 treys) for the Ravens.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 09, 2008, 08:11:48 AM
Any Predicitons for Tonights HCAC Matchups>

RHIT @ MSJ
Franklin @ Transy
Manchester @ Bluffton
Anderson @ Hanover

MSJ, Transy, Bluffton, and HC I believe will win... This will be the first time that the home teams would beat the away teams, but I just have a feeling. 

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 10, 2008, 08:09:00 AM
Last night winners were; MSJ, Transy, BU and Hanover...All the home teams came out victorious last night.

Bluffton looked real good for half the game last night up by 17 at halftime, ended up winning by 13.
Any other reports from games last night?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2008, 02:27:34 PM
The four home teams winning last night brought things a little closer to "even" in terms of home/away records:  Of the 20 conference games so far, the visitors have picked up 11 wins.  (On the women's side, home court advantage seems to be more evident: The home team came out on top 16 times out of 20.)

Last night continued the recent trend of less-than-close games: only Transy/Franklin appears to have gone down to the wire, with TU winning by 5.  The other three games had 13 and 14 point margins.  The average margin of victory for the season so far is 10.4; for the last 12 games, it is 12.7.

(Sorry, just got finished teaching my Understanding Numerical Data class, and I was in the mood to crunch some numbers.)

Coming up on Saturday, top to bottom pairings as DC and TU battle for #1, #3 Hanover hosts #4 Bluffton, #6(t) Franklin hosts #5 Anderson, and #6(t) Manchester hosts #8(t) RHIT.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rreucher24 on January 11, 2008, 03:14:49 PM
AHhhh...U.N.D.; that bring backs memories of freshman year. (and a 10-16 record...ouch)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2008, 04:32:17 PM
Wow--I had expected some closer scores today, but the halftime score at Transy is (was) Defiance 47, TU 23.  That may be final by now.  I'm listening to the Bluffton/Hanover game on the radio - with one minute left, Beavers lead 74-68.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2008, 04:54:43 PM
Bluffton 80, Hanover 70
Franklin over Anderson, 95-77
RHIT over Manchester, 64-57 -- the closest game of the afternoon
Defiance/Transy must have gotten a late start; 10:33 to go, Defiance still leads 71-45.

Another big day for the visitors; only Franklin won at home (assuming DC does not collapse in the last 10 minutes).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2008, 05:32:55 PM
Yikes, that Defiance/Transy game looks like it was ugly -- Defiance attempted 47 free throws in the game (with 17 seconds left on the live stats), and TU went to the line 25 times.  FIVE PLAYERS fouled out for the Pioneers.

(Maybe that game didn't start late after all...)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 14, 2008, 08:21:08 AM
Beavers looked good on Saturday...Hanover is a tough place to go and play at, not because of the raucious crowd that they have (all 150 people) but it's just hard to go in there and beat Hanover.  Another big week for the Beavers this week with MSJ and FC both coming to town...Need to get the Home W's because February is all on the road.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rreucher24 on January 15, 2008, 08:34:29 AM
I took in the game on Saturday. Bluffton played well. Juenger went down with a knee injury and Wilson had to step up and take Robbie Brown. Brown looks much improved and looks to have lost some weight. Good coaching down the stretch gave Bluffton the win...albeit 10 months too late!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 16, 2008, 08:30:23 AM
Predictions for the Night:

Franklin @ Defiance - Have to go with Defiance in this one, at home and on a roll
Hanover @ Transy - Hanover will come out strong and hit more shots than they did on Saturday, pulling out the W.
Manchester @ Anderson - AU will be too much.
Mt. St. Joe @ Bluffton - As long as Bluffton can contain Romes, and cut down on TO's they will come out with a big W.

Anyone else?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2008, 09:09:52 AM
I think I might go with Transy over Hanover -- both teams are probably unhappy about losing on their respective home courts on Saturday, but I have to think that the Pioneers are really ticked off after getting bulldozed by 33 points.  I can't see them losing at home twice in a row.

Hmm ... if I agree with RO_24's other picks, that means I am calling for a home team sweep.  That seems kind of risky, but I'll stick with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rreucher24 on January 16, 2008, 03:53:39 PM
Defiance
Transy
Bluffton
Anderson

All home teams...

Anyone know the status of Juenger?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2008, 03:58:01 PM
This is a rather absurdly indirect path for information, but ...

My older son David had P.J. as a student teacher last fall at Bluffton Middle School.  David told me yesterday that he had heard (I think from one of PJ's cooperating teachers) that he sprained his ankle, and will miss "three or four games."  So he likely will join fellow big men Josiah Stober and Justin Leimeister on the bench this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2008, 09:43:57 PM
Two wins for the home teams:
Beavers 73, MSJ 71
Anderson 76, Manchester 70

Two wins for the visitors:
Hanover 88, Transy 80
Franklin 76, Defiance 66

Wow -- four HCAC games with only one (barely) double-digit win.

Rod goes 3-1 on his picks, Ricky and I were 2-2.  But overall, I was happy with the two outcome for the two  I missed.

In the Bluffton/MSJ game, the Lions built a 17-point lead in the first half, but the Beavers whittled it down to 11 by halftime, and then outscored MSJ by 13 in the second half.  They missed four straight FTs in the last 13 seconds, but played solid enough defense to hold on.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 17, 2008, 08:13:14 AM
Rather scary last night...I thought after that 17 point lead, we were doomed.  Kids held tough and played hard though to get back and win the game...I like my one miss for sure, now they come to Bluffton on Saturday. 

Nate said something about PJ being out 2 weeks, I was thinking it was his knee though?  Could be wrong.  Well supposedly BU was #1 in nation in FT shooting heading into last night, but after last night, I think it's safe to say, they aren't #1 today.  Good W though.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2008, 08:49:07 AM
Rod:  Yes, I think it is his knee rather than his ankle; I can't recall what my son told me, and he might have gotten bad information himself.

It would be nice to have PJ healthy for the Defiance game (which is two weeks from last night), so hopefully that two-week prognosis will be accurate.

I checked the team FT rankings.  Bluffton slipped to 80.2%, while Elmhurst (the #2 FT-shooting team) went 6/7 last night to take over #1 at 80.7%.  (The #3 team, UW-Oshkosh, also had an off-night and hit only 68.8%, slipping to 79.3%.)  Probably more than you wanted to know, but by now I assume you realize that you don't ask statistics questions around me if you're not prepared to get a detailed answer.

I would have been a lot more relaxed at the end of the game if we had made at least 1 of those last 4 FTs.  I still remember our first season in the HCAC, when (I think) MSJ was playing their first season ever of basketball, and they won the game on a three-pointer that bounced off the glass and fell through as the buzzer sounded.  I was afraid I was going to see a replay of that last night.  Hopefully, we'll be able to get back to solid FT shooting from now on.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 17, 2008, 09:26:20 AM
Darryl,

It's funny you said that, because I actually went to Elmhurst and Osh Kosh's website and checked the same thing...I really should be doing work, but who needs to work, more fun looking at those kinds of stats.

I was a part of that game, and it was miserable, because we got beat by 2-3 last second shots that year on our way to a stellar 0-fer HCAC.  I definitely had that same thought process in my head last night, and I believe last year it came down to the end as well.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 18, 2008, 01:24:41 PM
Matchups for Tomorrow:

Defiance   Anderson (Ind.)     
Rose-Hulman   Hanover     
Transylvania   Thomas More     
Manchester   Mt. St. Joseph     
Franklin   Bluffton 

I'm thinking, Defiance, Hanover, TU, MSJ, and Bluffton in a tight one...

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 18, 2008, 01:40:31 PM
I learned my lesson from Wednesday's match-ups, and will agree with all of Rod's picks.

I certainly would not mind if Anderson pulled off the upset and beat Defiance, but I expect that tomorrow, DC will play more like the team that beat Transy by 33 than the team that lost to Franklin by 10.

I'm a bit nervous about the Franklin/Bluffton game tomorrow, with the Grizzlies coming off their big win at Defiance, and Kerry Prather looking for his 400th career win.  Add to that the fact that (if memory serves) Bluffton has never picked up a season sweep against Franklin.  At least, for the sake of my blood pressure, I hope we shoot free throws closer to our 80.2% average (or better).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2008, 08:16:24 AM
The visiting teams take 3 of the 4 conference games yesterday, and Transy won on the road at Thomas More, too:

Defiance 72, Anderson, 53
Rose-Hulman 73, Hanover  71
Franklin 80, Bluffton 67 -- win #400 for Kerry Prather

Manchester 63, Mt. St. Joseph 65

Transylvania 71, Thomas More 68

RHIT's 73 points is their second-highest output of the season, and 10 points above their average.  Their 63.2 ppg is lowest in the conference (but they lead the conference in scoring defense, allowing ann average of 61.6 ppg).  Their third-highest was 70 points in their previous game ... but it took them overtime to hit that number.  Their highest output was 102-52 over Blackburn, which means that despite their low per-game average, they are one of only three teams in the conference to break 100 this season (along with Anderson and MSJ). 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 26, 2008, 06:21:11 PM
Defiance beat Hanover, 58-49, but all the other home teams fell:

Rose-Hulman 63, Bluffton 60
Transylvania 68, Manchester 64
Anderson 70, Mt. St. Joseph 68

Bluffton played without starter Zack Kraus (blister on his foot), usual starter Nick Wilson saw limited time off the bench and only managed 1 point after being sick all week, and starter Josh Eichar left the game midway through the second half with an ankle injury.  Add that to the loss of P.J. Juenger two weeks ago, and the Beavers were pretty thin.  Colt Cunningham's 3-point attempt as time expired looked good, but bounced off.

BU is now a painful 2-4 at home in the conference, and looking at a stretch of 3 road games ... which might not be all bad, as they are 3-0 on the road.  Hopefully we can get healthy enough to put up a fight at Defiance on Wednesday.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 28, 2008, 09:05:37 AM
Big week this week in the conference for Bluffton.  They have went from a battle for the crown to needing to win a couple here to get the ball rolling, and not fall short of the conference tournament.  I believe Eichar went out with a rib injury that has been bothering him all year.  Not sure what's wrong yet, but it was the ribs they were working on. 

Been a disappointing last couple of games, hopefully Bluffton sees that they can't win the games by themselves, and may need to start setting screens and maybe the coaches will implement a new offense, but with the way they have been coaching lately, they like this one-on-one ball they are playing.  Little more coaching and little less yelling hasn't ever hurt a team either, probably why some of the guys on the team are trying to do everything on their own...All I know is that Defiance and Anderson are big games this week, and hopefully they start playing together.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on January 31, 2008, 08:19:51 AM
It looks like it's going to  be a 5 team race for the final 4 spots in the tournament.  6 games left for most teams, a couple with 7, and there' a game seperating 5 teams.

Went to the game last night, Defiance came out guns-a-blazin again, led 31-9 at one point, than the game was played at an even pace the rest of the way with DC winning 90-71.  Pettaway killed on the inside, he played hard, and there wasn't much Bluffton threw out there that didn't result in Pettaway getting a lay-up or even hit a couple 10 foot J's...

Traveling to Anderson Saturday, come Beavers, have to grab one now.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 11, 2008, 11:28:39 AM
Well, I'm going to post because I'm superstitious and maybe a post on the site will turn the luck of the Beavers for a positive in the last 2 weeks of the season.

Played hard but fell short on Saturday, have to get them there...RHIT plays AU, MC and DC to finish out their season, and BU plays HC, MSJ, and TU to round theirs out...

Darryl, what does your statistical prowess tell you the chances of a conference tournament position be for us?

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2008, 11:54:48 AM
Rod:

I'll try to run those numbers this afternoon, if I have time between meetings at noon, 2 and 4.

[Added at 1:18pm]
Oops, this will have to wait until this evening; the final version of my program to run all the scenarios is not on my office computer.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2008, 09:41:40 AM
Back by popular demand (because Rod asked for it): Darryl Nester's second annual statistical over-analysis of the end of the HCAC season.

First, the disclaimer I posted numerous times last season:  This is based on my interpretation and implementation of the HCAC tie-breakers.  Additionally, two new steps have been added to the tie-breaker process, after the "internal" criteria (performance vs HCAC competition):
I made no attempt to incorporate these criteria; my program essentially flips a coin to break ties that cannot be broken by the internal criteria.  I'll have to check how often that happens.  Finally, please remember that the numbers below represent percentages of all possible scenarios; they are NOT probabilities (unless you believe that every remaining game is a 50-50 contest).


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Defiance10-25-15-1@ MC, vs. TU, @ FC, vs. RHIT
Transylvania8-43-35-1vs. MSJ, @ DC, @ HC, vs. BU
Anderson8-55-23-3@ RHIT, vs. FC, @ MC
Hanover7-53-34-2vs. FC, @ BU, vs. TU
Franklin7-54-33-2@ HC, @ AU, vs. DC, @ MSJ
Rose-Hulman6-72-44-3vs. AU, vs. MC, @ DC
Bluffton5-82-53-3vs. HC, @ MSJ, @ TU
Mount St. Joseph3-103-30-7@ TU, vs. BU, vs. FC
Manchester2-102-30-7vs. DC, @ RHIT, vs. AU



Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
DC87.37% 8.55% 3.74% 0.34% 0.00% 0.00%  100.0%
TU 7.94%39.85%25.98%16.75% 8.68% 0.76%  100.0%
AU 0.42%18.18%28.68%28.31%16.87% 7.54%  100.0%
HC 0.51%13.65%19.58%27.20%28.93% 8.57%   98.4%
FC 3.76%19.71%19.61%19.31%20.64%14.48%   97.5%
RHIT 0.00% 0.06% 2.41% 8.00%21.64%50.25%   82.4%
BU 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.09% 3.25%17.23%   20.6%
MSJ 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 1.17%    1.2%
MC 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%    0.0%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 12, 2008, 11:35:17 AM
Darryl, thanks for posting that by popular demand on this board...1-0.

I like our chances, Although the percentages don't show it, I think 7-9 will  get us in the tourney...Our guys will be ready for Hanover Saturday, all we have to do is completely change our defunct offense and play like they were a month ago when we played Hanover there, and looked real good.  It's all mental right now...

Nothing but love for RHIT, but I hope they choke their last 3 games away.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2008, 03:00:58 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2008, 09:41:40 AM
... Additionally, two new steps have been added to the tie-breaker process, after the "internal" criteria (performance vs HCAC competition):

  • The NCAA Quality-of-win-index
  • Win-loss percentage in-region
I made no attempt to incorporate these criteria; my program essentially flips a coin to break ties that cannot be broken by the internal criteria.  I'll have to check how often that happens.
FWIW, my program reports an unbreakable tie (by internal criteria) for 6th place in 100 of the 65536 possible scenarios.  (There are also 256 ties for 2nd place, and some number of completely unimportant ties for 7th place.)

Quote from: RO_24
Although the percentages don't show it, I think 7-9 will  get us in the tourney...
Just for fun, I ran my program to see what would happen if:

Bluffton finishes 8-8 (they win out)... in tournament in 73.2% of scenarios
Bluffton finishes 7-9 (-HC, +MSJ, +TU)
38.2% of scenarios
Bluffton finishes 7-9 (+HC, -MSJ, +TU)
41.6% of scenarios
Bluffton finishes 7-9 (-HC, +MSJ, -TU)
40.1% of scenarios
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2008, 01:56:15 PM
Oops -- I discovered this morning that my program "lost" one of the games from the end of the season.  That is, it did not include the Hanover/Manchester game in the scenarios, which has some effect on the possible outcomes. Among other things, this change means that Manchester now has a (slim) chance at making the field of 6, and Transy is in "only" 99.9% of the time instead of 100%.

This also makes a little difference in the chance of an "unbreakable" tie for 6th place, but I'll give that more detailed report after tonight's games are finished, when things will be at least slightly clearer. Here are the corrected tables:


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Defiance10-25-15-1@ MC, vs. TU, @ FC, vs. RHIT
Transylvania8-43-35-1vs. MSJ, @ DC, @ HC, vs. BU
Anderson8-55-23-3@ RHIT, vs. FC, @ MC
Hanover7-53-34-2vs. FC, @ BU, vs. TU, @ MC
Franklin7-54-33-2@ HC, @ AU, vs. DC, @ MSJ
Rose-Hulman6-72-44-3vs. AU, vs. MC, @ DC
Bluffton5-82-53-3vs. HC, @ MSJ, @ TU
Mount St. Joseph3-103-30-7@ TU, vs. BU, vs. FC
Manchester2-102-30-7vs. DC, @ RHIT, vs. AU, vs. HC



Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
Defiance
87.83%
8.35%
3.53%
0.29%
0.00%
0.00%
100.0%
Anderson
0.35%
14.99%
29.07%
27.92%
19.60%
8.07%
100.0%
Transylvania
7.60%
36.64%
24.16%
19.33%
10.93%
1.21%
99.9%
Franklin
3.69%
18.96%
19.34%
19.93%
20.30%
15.25%
97.5%
Hanover
0.52%
20.91%
21.02%
22.79%
20.79%
8.39%
94.4%
Rose-Hulman
0.00%
0.15%
2.87%
8.79%
23.11%
47.36%
82.3%
Bluffton
0.00%
0.00%
0.02%
0.94%
5.26%
17.93%
24.1%
Mount St. Joseph
0.00%
0.00%
0.00%
0.00%
0.00%
1.10%
1.1%
Manchester
0.00%
0.00%
0.00%
0.00%
0.00%
0.67%
0.7%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 13, 2008, 03:52:18 PM
Darryl,

Thanks for putting this together, although it is a mess right now, gives you something to look at...Now hopefully everything pans out well for the Beavers tonight, and come tomorrow it will still be a mess, instead of a little bit more clear.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2008, 09:30:09 PM
Despite scoring only 8 points in the last 10:42 of the contest, Anderson survives at RHIT, 49-44.
Transy holds off a late surge by MSJ to win 77-73.
Defiance is beating Manchester by 8 with 14 seconds left in OT (only the second OT contest in the conference this year), and Franklin beat Hanover, 66-51.

So (assuming Defiance does win their contest)...


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Defiance11-25-16-1vs. TU, @ FC, vs. RHIT
Transylvania9-44-35-1@ DC, @ HC, vs. BU
Anderson9-55-24-3vs. FC, @ MC
Franklin8-54-34-2@ AU, vs. DC, @ MSJ
Hanover7-63-44-2@ BU, vs. TU, @ MC
Rose-Hulman6-82-54-3vs. MC, @ DC
Bluffton5-82-53-3vs. HC, @ MSJ, @ TU
Mount St. Joseph3-113-30-8vs. BU, vs. FC
Manchester2-112-40-7@ RHIT, vs. AU, vs. HC



Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
Defiance90.23%7.42%2.34%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
Transylvania7.42%43.55%28.52%11.33%9.18%0.00%100.0%
Anderson0.00%20.51%32.42%35.16%11.91%0.00%100.0%
Franklin2.34%25.59%27.54%33.79%7.91%2.73%99.9%
Hanover0.00%2.93%9.18%18.36%47.73%14.01%92.2%
Rose-Hulman0.00%0.00%0.00%1.37%13.65%59.81%74.8%
Bluffton0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%9.62%23.44%33.1%
Mount St. Joseph0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
Manchester0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: johnnywoo on February 15, 2008, 01:45:10 PM
Looks like the HCAC is wide open going into the final two weeks. Their should be  alot of jockying for position. Anderson seems to be hotter than Debbie Clemens in the SI swimsuit issue right now by the way they have been playing :o. Defiance has dominated HCAC action with the exception of a couple of hick ups as I look for them to roll this weekend. Hanover and Franklin will always be in the hunt. I don't understand how Manchester can't ever seem to even get in the tournament ???. Steve Alford must have taken the program with him. Any thoughts on how things will finish?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: johnnywoo on February 15, 2008, 01:45:10 PMI don't understand how Manchester can't ever seem to even get in the tournament ???. Steve Alford must have taken the program with him.

Manchester went 18-9, 11-3 as recently as 2003-04.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2008, 05:02:02 PM
Manchester loses in OT for the second game in a row, 47-52 to RHIT.  (Yes, that is after OT.)  The Spartans had a lead at halftime, but RHIT held them to only 13 in the second half, and 2 in OT.

Franklin beat AU, 86-67.

The Beavers snapped their 6-game losing streak, beating Hanover 63-52.  Nate Overmyer hit a career-high 25 in his last home game.

DC beat TU -- or they will after the next 3.9 seconds tick away.  TU led by 7 points late, but DC came back and held on to a 3-point lead; Mike Floyd is at the line right now, and his FTs will determine the final margin.

....64-59 after the FTs, but Lane just picked up a technical, so DC can pad the margin a bit.

That locks in the conference title for DC, and the remaining scenarios look like this:


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Defiance12-26-16-1@ FC, vs. RHIT
Franklin9-54-35-2vs. DC, @ MSJ
Transylvania9-54-35-2@ HC, vs. BU
Anderson9-65-34-3@ MC
Hanover7-73-44-3vs. TU, @ MC
Rose-Hulman7-83-54-3@ DC
Bluffton6-83-53-3@ MSJ, @ TU
Mount St. Joseph3-113-30-8vs. BU, vs. FC
Manchester2-122-40-8vs. AU, vs. HC



Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
DC100.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
FC0.00%65.62%25.00%9.38%0.00%0.00%100.0%
TU0.00%31.25%50.00%6.25%12.50%0.00%100.0%
AU0.00%3.12%18.75%71.88%6.25%0.00%100.0%
HC0.00%0.00%6.25%12.50%28.12%30.47%77.3%
RHIT0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%41.41%42.19%83.6%
BU0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%11.72%27.34%39.1%
MSJ0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
MC0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 18, 2008, 09:42:58 AM
Well 2 games left, 3 teams vying for 2 spots...RHIT just needs to beat DC on Saturday and they are in, HC and BU could make a run for it, scares me now that Franklin is playing well, especially since RHIT swept them in their two meetings...

Guys looked better on Saturday and withstood a couple Hanover runs, which was good to see, 2 more games, need 2 more wins, and very capable of winning both if they play together...Still not a fan whatsoever of the Offense they are running, so many threats to score on the team, and we are running into each other on the court...Play together and get into the tournament...Good luck fellas.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 20, 2008, 09:54:07 PM
Tonight's results:
Hanover over Transylvania, 70-55 (the only winner at home)
Anderson over Manchester, 81-71   
Defiance over Franklin, 68-61   
Bluffton over Mount St. Joseph, 75-67


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Defiance13-26-17-1vs. RHIT
Anderson10-65-35-3
Transylvania9-64-35-3vs. BU
Franklin9-64-45-2@ MSJ
Hanover8-74-44-3@ MC
Bluffton7-83-54-3@ TU
Rose-Hulman7-83-54-3@ DC
Mount St. Joseph3-123-40-8vs. FC
Manchester2-132-50-8vs. HC


The current outlook for Saturday:

Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
DC100.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
AU0.00%25.00%50.00%25.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
TU0.00%25.00%25.00%25.00%25.00%0.00%100.0%
FC0.00%50.00%25.00%25.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
HC0.00%0.00%0.00%25.00%37.50%25.00%87.5%
RHIT0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%25.00%43.75%68.8%
BU0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%12.50%31.25%43.8%

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on February 21, 2008, 08:20:48 AM
It was a good effort again last night by the Beavers...Pretty ugly game, I think 60 FT's were taken between the teams, but they pulled one off...Hopefully Saturday  everything will works it way out, and the Beavers can get a W down in Transy, and as long as they break the press and withstand a quick start, they can do...DC needs to beat RHIT, so hopefully that happens, or the Choke of all Chokes for my buddy at HC and they go down to Manchester....

We'll see how it all plays out.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hooper on February 26, 2008, 11:45:00 PM
HCAC Tourney Tonight: Anderson beats Hanover to set up showdown with Defiance in HCAC Semi on Friday.  Transy wins at home vs. Rose Hulman to get tough matchup with Franklin.  Live internet looked good.  Heard Coach Valentine went a little overboard on scout but i guess it worked.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2008, 12:43:12 AM
Cool -- merging this into the HCAC board, just FYI.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hooper on February 28, 2008, 12:01:54 AM
Thanks!  Can anyone beat Defiance at Defiance for HCAC crown?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: johnnywoo on February 28, 2008, 09:44:17 AM
Quote from: hooper on February 28, 2008, 12:01:54 AM
Thanks!  Can anyone beat Defiance at Defiance for HCAC crown?

....yeah if Pettaway and Johnson slip on the ice on the way over to the game....Who of the remaining teams can beat the two headed monster? Rose Hulman seemed to have the best shot but was beaten in the first round by the vampires. Anderson now stands a small chance if Defiance isn't making shots......
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2008, 08:51:11 PM
A wild ending to the tournament championship -- DC led by 10 at halftime, but FC came back to claim the lead with 6:25 to go, and held on to win, 82-76.

FC played only 8 players in the game (and one of those only played 7 minutes); Dustin Marshall played all 40 minutes and led all scorers with 25.  I expect he'll end up tournament MVP, and that C.J. Johnson will be named POTY.  Not sure who will be picked as Freshman of the Year; the highest scoring frosh were Goldschmidt (MSJ), Ferch (MC), and Schaefer (MC).

Congratulations to the Grizzlies, and good luck in the tournament.  Congratulations also to Defiance for a great season, even if it did not end as they would have liked (although some in the Pool C discussion board seem to still consider them to have an outside shot at getting in ...).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 03, 2008, 03:54:30 PM
I know I'm an alum from DC, but we surely have a knack for blowing the big games that we're suppose to win. >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 04, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
Appears the Grizzlies had a great end of season run. What happened to Defiance in the 2nd half on their home court?  Sounds like Franklin's good guard play took over in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 05, 2008, 01:09:02 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 04, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
Appears the Grizzlies had a great end of season run. What happened to Defiance in the 2nd half on their home court?  Sounds like Franklin's good guard play took over in the 2nd half.

28/51 from the field, including 11 threes, and 15/16 from the charity stripe - darned good performance on an opponent's home planks.

Quote from: dc_has_been on March 03, 2008, 03:54:30 PM
I know I'm an alum from DC, but we surely have a knack for blowing the big games that we're suppose to win. >:(

It's a cross we bear, Has_Been.  A Kistner's brain sandwich, a quaff, and press on.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2008, 10:07:53 PM
I follow Centre basketball, and would love to hear from someone on the Heartland board about our upcoming opponent in the 1st round of the D3 Tournament. We regularly play Transy and remember Rose-Hulman from their days in the SCAC, but don't know a lot about Franklin. Any takers?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 07, 2008, 07:20:53 AM
Anyone planning to travel to Danville (Centre College) for the games: I just watched a couple of Lexington channels' weather predictions and it's not good.

The last weatherman pointed to an area which included Danville and said 6-10", "the worst snowfall in a decade."  By noon today they are predicting heavy snow and 32 degrees, with temperatures dropping.  They also reported that roads are not being pre-treated because it's going to rain first and this would just wash it away.

Personally, I'd like to see as many people as possible in Danville (school pride and all) but I thought it fair to warn everybody that Kentucky's not used to this type of weather and the people aren't used to driving in it.  Expect chaos and closed roads.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 11:34:46 PM
I wasn't able to see or listen to the game, but I believe Franklin College represented the Heartland well by staying with the 4th ranked Colonels deep into the final stages of the game.  Congratulations to the Grizzlies.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 13, 2008, 01:04:51 PM
With All Region voting going on, any posts regarding players from your conference would be helpful. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 20, 2008, 07:58:53 PM
NABC All District teams have been announced:
Midwest Selections

1st Team
Kent Raymond - Wheaton (POY)
Nate Hanje - U of. C.
Anthony Pettaway - Defiance
Ryan Kroeger - Lawrence
Tie- Troy Ruths - Wash U.
       Larry Welton - Aurora

2nd Team
Brian Fogerty - Fontbonne
Jordan VanEss - Marion
Brett Wessels - Augustana
Brent Ruch - Elmhurst
Marty Young - Franklin

Coach of the Year - Jim Miller - Defiance
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 28, 2008, 12:37:39 PM
Can some one update me on the D III NCAA tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2008, 01:06:07 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 28, 2008, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: M and L on March 28, 2008, 12:37:39 PM
Can some one update me on the D III NCAA tournament?

That's a joke post right ??
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIII Fan on March 28, 2008, 01:49:12 PM
In a release this morning from Hanover College it was announced that Mike Beitzel has retired as the men's head coach after 20 seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on March 28, 2008, 04:36:14 PM
I have also heard this, and the job is posted on NCAA.com and on the Hanover website.  I am hoping to see more about this on the D3hoops website.  Beitzel won something like 500 games in his coaching career and it wasnt long ago that he had teams win 100 games over a four year span and were consistently ranked amongst the top teams in D3.  Hope to see more about his fantastic coaching career. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2008, 07:45:57 PM
If anyone has a copy of this press release, we'd be glad to run it. Otherwise, if we were to run a story it would say.

"Mike Beitzel, Hanover men's basketball coach, has retired."

Not much of a story. Hopefully Hanover will post that on its site at some point.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 28, 2008, 07:57:58 PM
Pat, since IWU and Hanover had quite a rivalry going for a while (seemed to meet in the tourney almost every year, plus some regular-season games), Q might be able to add to a story.  I would guess he probably interviewed him (or at least talked to him) on several occasions.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIII Fan on March 29, 2008, 09:49:38 AM
Story from Saturday's Madison Courier on Coach Beitzel

http://www.madisoncourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=18&SubSectionID=289&ArticleID=42444
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIII Fan on April 11, 2008, 04:07:14 PM
Defiance Coach and former Hanover player Jon Miller named new Hanover coach...


http://www.hanover.edu/athletics/men/mbasketball/
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 14, 2008, 09:05:43 AM
Interesting. It's not often that you hear of a coach giving up the head coaching job at one school in order to take the head coaching job at another school within the same league.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on April 14, 2008, 12:18:24 PM
Quote from: DIII Fan on March 28, 2008, 01:49:12 PM
In a release this morning from Hanover College it was announced that Mike Beitzel has retired as the men's head coach after 20 seasons.
Congratulations to Coach Beitzel on his retirement.  He is a first class gentleman who put a highly competitive team on the court each season.  He ranked very high among my list of favorite opponent coaches.  He'll be missed.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 08, 2008, 08:36:32 PM
Defiance is getting a new MBB coach:

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2306


(During Coach Brummett's last season at Lakeland, he led that squad to 3 upset wins all on the road--to take the Northern Athletics Conference post-season tournament championship. NAthCon didn't have an automatic bid, else the Muskies would have got into the D3 tournament.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on June 03, 2008, 08:56:58 AM
Rumor out of Beaverland is that Krauss has been booted from the team.  Should have been done last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 29, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
The HCAC men's preseason poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2009/10_29_mbb_preseason.htm) was posted this morning.  In brief:


07-08 Final
06-07 Final
TeamPoints (#1 votes)
standings
standings
Defiance
73 (4)
1 / 13-3
4 / 9-7
Anderson
65 (2)
2 / 10-6
9 / 2-14
Franklin
63 (1)
2 / 10-6
1 / 11-5
Transylvania
60 (1)
2 / 10-6
2 / 10-6
Hanover
35
5 / 9-7
4 / 9-7
RHIT
31
6 / 8-8
8 / 5-11
MSJ
30 (1)
8 / 3-13
4 / 9-7
Bluffton
28
7 / 7-9
2 / 10-6
Manchester
20
9 /2-14
7 / 7-9
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 29, 2008, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on October 29, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
The HCAC men's preseason poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2009/10_29_mbb_preseason.htm) was posted this morning.  In brief:


07-08 Final
06-07 Final
TeamPoints (#1 votes)
standings
standings
Defiance
73 (4)
1 / 13-3
4 / 9-7
Anderson
65 (2)
2 / 10-6
9 / 2-14
Franklin
63 (1)
2 / 10-6
1 / 11-5
Transylvania
60 (1)
2 / 10-6
2 / 10-6
Hanover
35
5 / 9-7
4 / 9-7
RHIT
31
6 / 8-8
8 / 5-11
MSJ
30 (1)
8 / 3-13
4 / 9-7
Bluffton
28
7 / 7-9
2 / 10-6
Manchester
20
9 /2-14
7 / 7-9

Wow, MSJ gettin 1 first place vote!  Interesting to see a team who's picked to end up in 7th place getting a first place vote.  I wonder who gave them that one?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 29, 2008, 04:01:17 PM
Actually, that's becoming a regular feature of the HCAC poll:  Last year, Anderson was picked 7th in the preseason poll, but garnered one first-place vote.  Two years ago, RHIT was picked 8th with one first-place vote.  (It was Rose's first year in the conference; I'm guessing their coach realized he didn't know the other HCAC teams well enough, and decided to be optimistic.)

The track record for these teams is mixed:  Anderson ended last season tied for second, so perhaps the coach who placed them first was on to something.  On the other hand, RHIT finished 8th in 2007, exactly where the poll placed them.

I don't know if MSJ really "deserved" a first place vote, but last year they were pretty young (1 junior, 2 seniors), so they have a lot of returning players.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 03, 2008, 10:08:31 PM
How is Franklin looking for the 2008-09 campaign?  Impressed with their play last year in the opening round of the D3 tournament at Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on November 10, 2008, 11:51:45 AM
How good will the Collier Tournament be at Hanover College.  UW Platt just defeated Bradley, Wooster will once again be good.  And lets see what new the new ball coach can put together at HC.  This might be one of the best in season tournaments in the country. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 15, 2008, 08:19:45 PM
Do we have anyone attending the Franklin-Centre game tonight that might post the action?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 22, 2008, 10:08:12 PM
Transylvania 65 Centre 63 - good opener for Transy.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 23, 2008, 09:39:07 PM
A good synopsis of the Transylvania win over Centre from Saturday night on the SCAC site under Old Student / Athlete.  Looks like Transy may be the cream of the crop in the Heartland this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on November 28, 2008, 11:33:30 PM
Big game tomorrow at Anderson against #1 Washington.  Anderson played #7 UW Platteville to a 2 point game on Tuesday so they get another chance against a top ten team.  How is everybody else in the HCAC looking so far?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2008, 08:25:47 PM
Anderson loses to #1 Wash U by 2 -- had a chance to tie or win in the closing seconds.  On the heels of their 2-point loss to #7 UW-Platteville, AU can make a convincing claim to being the best 2-2 team in the country.

Bluffton won their 4th straight today -- though not against the same caliber of competition as AU.  All four victories were by 20 or more points.  Still, Trine had beaten Franklin, and Heidelberg beat Defiance, so by the transitive property ....

Bluffton's got good depth this year -- had 30 bench points today (to Heidelberg's 6).

How about some comments from other teams?  Defiance fans - how much do you miss C.J. Johnson?  Franklin fans - how'd you guys lose to Trine?  Hanover fans - how's that new coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on December 01, 2008, 08:21:04 PM
I was able to see Anderson on Saturday and they had every chance they could ask for to knock off Washington.  They just couldn't knock down shots when they needed to.  They still have to feel pretty good after 2 close losses to very good teams.  It's easy to get up for top ten teams, the question will be can they carry that intensity through a long touch conference season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2008, 09:33:44 AM
Congrats to Transy for breaking into the Top 25 at #22 -- from a preseason total of 10 poll points to 120 points.  Appropriately enough, the Pioneers are sitting just ahead of Centre, who fell to #23 from #13 after Transy dealt them their only loss of the young season.

Anderson also got some attention from the voters, pulling in 11 points.

Bluffton's lone loss to Capital (70-63) looks better now that Cap has vaulted to #12.  Likewise, Manchester's two losses have been at the hands of #13 Illinois Wesleyan (78-73)  and D-I Eastern Illinois (82-53).

Conference games begin on Wednesday.  Any predictions?
Mt. St. Joseph (2-3) @ Anderson (2-2)
Rose-Hulman (2-2) @ Franklin (2-4)
Transylvania (3-0) @ Hanover (1-4)
Manchester (4-2) @ Bluffton (4-1)

Defiance (2-3) is idle; they open conference play at Hanover on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on December 03, 2008, 02:15:58 PM
Mt. St. Joseph (2-3) @ Anderson (2-2)

Rose-Hulman (2-2) @ Franklin (2-4)

Transylvania
(3-0) @ Hanover (1-4)

Manchester (4-2) @ Bluffton (4-1
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 03, 2008, 02:52:31 PM
I'm inclined to agree with your picks, wc4252.  You have to give the edge to both AU and TU at this point.  MSJ's most recent loss was to #8 Elmhurst, but that pales in comparison to AU's performance so far.  As for Hanover ... well, a 3-point win over Denison (1-3) is somewhat less than impressive.

I'm going with Franklin mostly because they're at home; it's hard to know at this point what the Grizzlies will be capable of this season.  They have a freshman starting at center, and he's doing fine (9.7p, 5.5r), but I think they still need to adjust to life after Marty Young (as well as Jon Neill).

I expect that Bluffton/Manchester could be the best game of the night.  How fortunate that that's the one I get to see.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 03, 2008, 05:30:49 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2008, 09:33:44 AM

Anderson also got some attention from the voters, pulling in 11 points.


Will say that leading into the UW-Platteville @ Anderson game, Pioneer Head Coach Paul Combs, felt that they we for sure a top 25 team before they even left town.  He spoke very highly of them as a team, and program then, and I can only imagine he feels even more so now.

I know I'm going to be keeping an eye on them from here on out.  Hopefully after two tough losses like that, they realize their potential and realize those games are only going to help them later in the season.

Good Luck to all
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 03, 2008, 09:53:48 PM
Bluffton 59, Manchester 45 -- Beavers jumped out to a 30-12  :o lead; the Spartans put some surges together in the second half, but never got closer than 8.

Elsewhere:
Anderson 79, MSJ 69
Franklin 67, RHIT 57

Transy 28, Hanover 29 at halftime (started late at 9:00 -- referee scheduling screw-up)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 03, 2008, 10:19:38 PM
9:46 remaining, Hanover leading 38-32.  I guess they've got something to prove ...

Live radio feed available here (http://www.wikiradiofm.com/)

[update]Hanover 53-49, under 2:00
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 03, 2008, 10:54:58 PM
Hanover/Transy tied at 53 with 3 seconds ... Verax just fouled out, and Kies shooting 2 FTs for Hanover ...

Kies makes the first ...
makes the second ...

Transy calls timeout ...

Then Hanover calls timeout ...

Transy inbounds and calls another timeout ... (2.4 seconds left)

and Transy calls another timeout ...

Hanover wins 55-53!!!!

Whoosh ... not only did I pick the winner incorrectly, I also missed badly on my call for the best game of the night.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on December 04, 2008, 05:06:12 PM
Hanover over Transy... definitely surprised me.  I would have thought based on Hanover's struggles in the early part of the season this wouldn't even have been close.  Hanover has been a very successful and prideful program,  it just goes to show how tough every conference game can be.

Pioneer Fan -- I'll be watching to see how UW P does as well just to see how "good" of a loss that was.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2008, 12:02:09 PM
This weekend:
Bluffton (5-1, 1-0) @ Rose-Hulman (2-3, 0-1)
Defiance (2-3, 0-0) @ Hanover (2-4, 1-0)
Transylvania (3-1, 0-1) @ Manchester (4-3, 0-1)
Anderson (3-2, 1-0) @ Franklin (3-4, 1-0)

MSJ idle until December 13.

There will at least one 2-0 team, and at least one 0-2 team.  Will there be more?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 08, 2008, 07:55:06 PM
Franklin College made a little noise this weekend with a solid win over Anderson.  The freshmen really stepped it up a notch (three freshman in double figures).  Starting center FR Will Conley led the Griz with 20 points.

Franklin can be really good at times but with freshman the consistency is not always there.  Anderson has really active guards that can dribble penetrate but leave a little to be desired in size.

I will be an active Grizzly poster from here on out as football is over and now time to focus on basketball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2008, 08:54:37 PM
GRIZ_BACKER: Welcome to the board.  But I must warn you, I'm not sure that the words "active" and "poster" are allowed in the same sentence by those posting in this conversation.

This Saturday's Franklin/Bluffton should be a good one.  Both are playing well right now, and they have split their regular-season games for the past four seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 09, 2008, 06:50:13 AM
I did a little homework on Bluffton and they will be a tough test. FC at their best is good enough to win the HCAC this year.  However, the youth on the team is a huge factor IMO.  How well will the young guys hold up over the long haul is a big question and how well will they play on the road in must win games?

A couple of guys to watch if you attend the game (I cant as I have my work xmas party or I probably would.. i like saturday road trips)   Clayton Starrett #15 is a freshman guard   about 5-8 155 lbs is my guess.  very solid ball handler, passer and sees the floor well.  did not come off the floor in the second half.  The type of kid that can play 40 minutes.  He got 10 against Anderson and made some really nice passes

#40 Conley scored 20 against Anderson and is a freshman.  Very skilled and still will put on another 30 pounds over the next couple years.  Will be a beast in the years to come.  A real get for FC.

#32 is another new kid that FC is really going to appreciate.  He scored 13 and had several boards. Bigger than Conley and has a twin brother on the bench that is also big.

Kerry really did a nice job bringing in new guys to compliment the outstanding guard/swingman senior trio. If FC plays to their potential they really have a chance this year.  Only a 2 point loss to Centre and a last second loss to Millikin of the CCIW.  They also went over and beat Wabash and Depauw (i think but too lazy to check) and won the Wabash tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2008, 10:58:51 AM
Transy coach Brian Lane was on the Hoopsville podcast this week (the link is in the D3hoops Daily Dose (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2008/12/07/hoopsville-podcast-december-7th/)) giving the Great Lakes report (even though Transy and the HCAC is officially in the men's Midwest region).  The whole report is worth a listen, but if you want to skip right to Lane's part of the show, it starts at about the 1:48 mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2008, 06:28:23 PM
RHIT over MSJ, 78-71
AU over HC, 79-73
DC over MC, 86-72
FC over BU, 92-81

Bluffton shot a respectable 58% from the floor, but Franklin shot 70%.  Franklin was 16-18 from the FT line, while Bluffton managed only 10-17.

All five Franklin starters hit in double-figures.  I had Yochum with a team-high 19 points for Franklin (all in the second half), but the box score on the live stats has him with 17.  Conoley had 18.

I still wonder how Franklin lost to Trine .. they clearly weren't playing that game like they did this afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 15, 2008, 07:15:32 PM
The Trine loss is a mystery.  Trine lost last week to IU Northwest ( a glorified intramural team)  Franklin is certainly playing well right now particularly getting a lot of solid play out of the three freshman in the rotation.

Big road win for FC.  It will be interesting to see how they hold up at Transy and Defiance on the road.  70% shooting cures a lot of ills though. 


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 18, 2008, 02:40:44 PM
This has been an interesting season so far with which teams are beating who.  So far the biggest surprise has to be Hanover over Transy! :o  DC hasn't started off very strong with big losses to Albion & Heidy (considering they are not as good as last year).  Anderson playing two top schools to the buzzer shows they can play w/ the big boys, but they fell short at crunch time.  Franklin is another team who had an odd loss as mentioned but still can cause some damage in the HCAC.  It will be an interesting winter as several HCAC schools will beating on eachother for the top seed in the conference tourny.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 02, 2009, 05:57:19 PM
Appears that Defiance have found themselves since the early season blow-out losses to the "Princes" and "Britons."  In spite of a tourney loss to Rockford and consolation victory over Geneva, there are five players (including three frosh) averaging in double figures for conference contests with Nick Sales close behind at 9.0 ppg.  The Tietje brothers from nearby Henry County have provided quite the punch in both points and caroms as newbies - it will be interesting to watch the progression as the season unfolds.

What happened to Franklin the other night - first home loss to Wabash since '99 and a JV loss to boot?  From what little was read, it appeared that Wes Smith got hot and Conley really got shut down the second half.  Accurate depiction from anyone there? 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 05, 2009, 12:38:18 AM
"Cave's Corollary" to Murphy's Law... as soon as I say something positive ???  Defiance shoots 92.5% from the charity stripe, over 80% inside the arc, and 53.4% FG pct for a game - yet manages to lose a 16 point lead and the game by a deuce to Transy at home.  Ow, ow, owww - and a road trip to RHIT and 9-3 Anderson this week.

Back to my "hole in the wall." :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hcacdad on January 05, 2009, 08:51:06 PM
New to the board..in an effort to help get some activity going in the HCAC cyberworld, I will begin posting regularly. Hope I am worthy of all you long time posters.
After watching many college games, I must say the HCAC has developed into one of the strongest "top to bottom" conferences in the country. Congrats to Anderson for cracking the top 25 and representing the HCAC with a huge upset (according to the rankings) against Elmhust. The Ravens have proven they are a premier program and will be hard to top in the Conference. The HCAC is the Ravens to lose-by far the most athletic and talented team I have seen. I would pay some cash to see the defiance anderson game saturday.
As for the rest of the league-
Franklin has continued its hot play in conference getting off to a quick start. Their guard play will be tough to stop when they are connecting from long range.
Transylvania will have a tough trip to Bluffton following a nice road win at Defiance. Bluffton has been playing well as of late....should be an interesting matchup
Defiance will be a force to reckon with incredible size in the front court.

Hanover goes to Centre and wins their Christmas tourny-they lost to nationally ranked Ill. Weslyan by 2 in OT and beat Transy while they were in the top 25. Rose has had some close ones- lose to anderson in OT.
Mt. St. Joes and Manchester can't be counted out as well.
Great job HCAC- The NCAA tourney will be represented well from the HCAC!
Can't wait for another exciting week of HCAC Hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 07, 2009, 04:23:34 PM
HCACDad's comments got me thinking. 

What is the furthest that an HCAC team has advanced in the men's tournament? 

I think that Anderson and Franklin will probably be the class of the league when all is said and done this season.  Anderson has proven at this point in the season that they can compete with just about anybody.

I look forward to catching the rest of the HCAC teams when they come to Bluffton to take on the Beavers. The Beavers have looked good at home for the most part. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 07, 2009, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on January 07, 2009, 04:23:34 PM
HCACDad's comments got me thinking. 

What is the furthest that an HCAC team has advanced in the men's tournament? 

Steve Alford's 1994-95 team comes to mind for me...

http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/mncaa95.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2009, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on January 07, 2009, 04:23:34 PM
HCACDad's comments got me thinking. 

What is the furthest that an HCAC team has advanced in the men's tournament?

Two HCAC members reached the national championship game and lost, both back when the league was known as the Indiana Collegiate Athletic Conference:

1990: DePauw (lost to Rochester in national championship game, 43-42)
1995: Manchester (lost to UW-Platteville in national championship game, 69-55)

DePauw has since left the league, of course.

Wabash, a founding member of the ICAC/HCAC back in 1987, won the D3 national title in 1982. I think that Wabash was an independent at that point, but one of the Wallies over in the NCAC room would probably know that for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 08, 2009, 10:03:40 AM
Thanks pointing out the links and the information.  It looks like Hanover and Transy have had the most recent tournament success.   Hopefully the HCAC can send a team deep into the tourney this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on January 08, 2009, 06:50:18 PM
Quote from: hcacdad on January 05, 2009, 08:51:06 PM
New to the board..in an effort to help get some activity going in the HCAC cyberworld, I will begin posting regularly. Hope I am worthy of all you long time posters.
After watching many college games, I must say the HCAC has developed into one of the strongest "top to bottom" conferences in the country. Congrats to Anderson for cracking the top 25 and representing the HCAC with a huge upset (according to the rankings) against Elmhust. The Ravens have proven they are a premier program and will be hard to top in the Conference. The HCAC is the Ravens to lose-by far the most athletic and talented team I have seen. I would pay some cash to see the defiance anderson game saturday.
As for the rest of the league-
Franklin has continued its hot play in conference getting off to a quick start. Their guard play will be tough to stop when they are connecting from long range.


As a long time FC hoops follower I am not sure that the conference is "Anderson's to lose" yet.  While they have two impressive losses, they are still a game back in the HCAC.   Is FC just "hot"?  We will see in the next 2-3 weeks as FC goes to Defiance, Transy, and Anderson.

Manchester and FC also made the Sweet 16 in 1999.  Certainly not a conference with the year in and year out balance like the CCIW and the WI teams.  Certainly not weak either.  FC, Hanover, and Transy have been the dominant teams over the last 10-12 years with NCAA appearances withDefiance usually a front runner.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on January 11, 2009, 09:13:08 PM
Quote from: hcacdad on January 11, 2009, 02:04:13 PM
Grizzbacker- NOT SO FAST!
To say Defiance has been the front runner in the last 10-12 years is completely asinine. In the past decade-Franklin and hanover began with its dominance and then Transy and Franklin owned the league for the past 5 years- with Defiance having only 1 tournament championship. I would agree the conference is not over and Anderson is going to run away with it, however, they do have the most talented team in the league. To your point-I find it ironic that Franklin has received no votes for the top 25 and they are 5-0 in the league. Enough with that.

Another exciting weak in the HCAC. Franklin remained undefeated with a bye on Saturday. An interesting matchup will be the Grizzlies traveling to Transylvania on Wednesday. A week to prepare for Coach Praither could be trouble for a very inconsistant but talentine Transy club. Anderson continued to roll with a big win over Defiance. The biggest question for Anderson will be can they sustain this run when they finally have to go on the road- 9 of its wins have come on the home court. Bluffton defeated Transy and Hanover this week as Coach Guy Neal has done an impressive job with his team again. As for the rest of the league-good luck in your recruiting for next season!

Should be an exciting week again.

Defiance has been near the top the last few years. In fact FC had to beat them at their place last year to get to the NCAA.  Franklin also beat them in the conference championship down at Hanover in 2000 or 2001 (i don't recall exactly what year).  If that's being "asinine" so be it.  Defiance has had several good teams in the last 10 years as I recall. They may not make the tournament as much as FC Transy or Hanover.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on January 11, 2009, 09:32:31 PM
Not trying to be "asinine" but I checked the facts on the HCAC website.

REG SEASON Standings 2001 forward:

2000-01 Manchester College 7-5 (conference tournament host)
Hanover College 7-5
Defiance College 7-5
2001-02 Hanover College 11-3
2002-03 Hanover College 13-1
2003-04 Hanover College 14-0
2004-05 Hanover College 11-3
Transylvania University 11-3
2005-06 Transylvania University 12-2
2006-07 Franklin College 11-5
2007-08 Defiance College 13-3

POST SEASON CHAMPS 2001 forward

2000-01 Defiance College
2001-02 Franklin College
2002-03 Hanover College
2003-04 Hanover College
2004-05 Hanover College
2005-06 Transylvania University
2006-07 Transylvania University
2007-08 Franklin College

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 11, 2009, 09:38:19 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on January 11, 2009, 09:13:08 PM
Quote from: hcacdad on January 11, 2009, 02:04:13 PM
Grizzbacker- NOT SO FAST!
To say Defiance has been the front runner in the last 10-12 years is completely asinine. In the past decade-Franklin and hanover began with its dominance and then Transy and Franklin owned the league for the past 5 years- with Defiance having only 1 tournament championship. I would agree the conference is not over and Anderson is going to run away with it, however, they do have the most talented team in the league. To your point-I find it ironic that Franklin has received no votes for the top 25 and they are 5-0 in the league. Enough with that.

Another exciting weak in the HCAC. Franklin remained undefeated with a bye on Saturday. An interesting matchup will be the Grizzlies traveling to Transylvania on Wednesday. A week to prepare for Coach Praither could be trouble for a very inconsistant but talentine Transy club. Anderson continued to roll with a big win over Defiance. The biggest question for Anderson will be can they sustain this run when they finally have to go on the road- 9 of its wins have come on the home court. Bluffton defeated Transy and Hanover this week as Coach Guy Neal has done an impressive job with his team again. As for the rest of the league-good luck in your recruiting for next season!

Should be an exciting week again.

Defiance has been near the top the last few years. In fact FC had to beat them at their place last year to get to the NCAA.  Franklin also beat them in the conference championship down at Hanover in 2000 or 2001 (i don't recall exactly what year).  If that's being "asinine" so be it.  Defiance has had several good teams in the last 10 years as I recall. They may not make the tournament as much as FC Transy or Hanover.

Defiance was member of the MIAA for 2 years, 1999 and 2000 before joining the HCAC in 2001.  They made the conference tournament championship both years, but were 2nd or 3rd in the final standings.    They've only been in the HCAC for 8 years, this is year 9.

The 2001 Defiance team won the HCAC tournament and went to the NCAA's losing in round 1 to Calvin.

From there it was a steady decline after Tom Polombo left for Guilford, Defiance finished last in the HCAC in 2005 and 2006    http://www.heartlandconf.org/m_basketball/2004/04_05_mbb_season.htm

http://www.heartlandconf.org/m_basketball/05_06_mbb_season.htm

D3hoops.com has all the archives of all the d3 teams going back to 2002.  http://www.d3hoops.com/school/DEF/mens/2009
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hcacdad1 on January 11, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
OK-didn't mean to cause this much of a stir. I guess it is all relative- its obvious my definition of "front runner" is not the same as yours. When I think of front runner- I think tournament winners....not 7-5 with 1 trip to the "dance." I would have to think that past HCAC champs wouldn't include Defiance as one of the "front runners" in the past decade-certainly a "contender" as of late in my opinion. Grizz backer-I agree to disagree pal! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 12, 2009, 12:19:03 AM
In case a few HCAC posters weren't aware, prior to Tom Polombo and MIAA/HCAC affiliation, Defiance did exist in basketball and beat some MAC teams on occasion.  :o  Marv Hohenberger (coach from 1965-1997) accumulated a record of 580-294 and at the time of his retirement was the winningest coach in DIII.  Tournament appearances, whether NAIA or NCAA were an expected norm.  ;)

Change is inevitable within programs and consistency, especially on the non-athletic grant campus.  While DC may not be top dog this year, given their roster, I wouldn't bet against a resurgence, either at conference tournament time or next season. New coaches, new plan, and a dreadful need to reverse the assist to turnover ratio - a -2, and 22 points surrendered on 17 turnovers is a deal breaker in a seven point loss on the road.  ;D


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on January 12, 2009, 06:41:50 AM
Quote from: hcacdad1 on January 11, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
OK-didn't mean to cause this much of a stir. I guess it is all relative- its obvious my definition of "front runner" is not the same as yours. When I think of front runner- I think tournament winners....not 7-5 with 1 trip to the "dance." I would have to think that past HCAC champs wouldn't include Defiance as one of the "front runners" in the past decade-certainly a "contender" as of late in my opinion. Grizz backer-I agree to disagree pal! ;D

Cool.  I am assuming that you may be affiliated with Anderson.  I agree they are certainly one of the favorites to win the 2008-09 reg season and possibly make the 2009 tournament.  If they do it will be the first time since the HCAC was founded in 1989.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hcacdad1 on January 13, 2009, 04:30:41 PM
Picks for this week!!

Defiance 92 Mt. St Joe 72
Rose Hulman 64 Hanover 60
Anderson 76 Bluffton58
Franklin 62 Transylvania 68


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 14, 2009, 07:52:49 AM
Wow.  I had not visited this page for over a week, because I asked for email alerts when new posts are made ... and had not gotten any.  I guess adding "MBB:" to the name of this chat room nullified my subscription.

It is shaping up to be another competitive year, as five teams (Transy, Franklin, Bluffton, Defiance, and now Anderson) have gotten votes in the d3hoops Top 25.

It will be interesting to see how the standings have shaken out when we get to the middle of the season. The five front-runners each play two other front-runners, and one game against one of the bottom four ... which is not to say that those latter games will be easy!  Franklin is 5-0--having dealt Anderson and Bluffton their only conference losses--but plays Transy and Defiance on the road before a home game against Hanover.  Anderson hosts Bluffton before traveling to Transy and Manchester.  Bluffton faces AU and MSJ on the road before hosting Defiance.  Transy and Defiance each face MSJ in addition to the teams above.

hcacdad -- I'm hoping for a different result in the AU-BU game ... but at least I hope that it is not decided in the closing seconds like the last two Bluffton wins.  I dont' think my blood pressure could take that.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hcacdad1 on January 15, 2009, 08:50:34 AM
Looks like 4-0 last night on picks!

The Defiance score was a little closer than predicted as well as Bluffton taking Anderson to OT. Transy beat Franklin to cause a log jam in the rankings from 1-5. Any thoughts on what happened to Franklin last night?
Lots of changes coming on Saturday as Franklin travels to Defiance and Anderson travels to Transy-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 15, 2009, 09:00:06 AM
The Beavers and Anderson was a close game all the way.  I think the biggest lead for either team was 8 or 9 points.  Anderson outscored Bluffton by 16 at the line. The HCAC could take awhile to sort out beyond Anderson which I think will come out on top.  The Franklin Transy score surprised me a bit, but both of those teams will be a part of the picture come late February as well.  I hope the Beavers can hang around enough to make the HCAC tourney and then who knows. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hcacdad1 on January 16, 2009, 10:46:45 PM
Picks for Saturday!

Bluffton 54 Mt. St. Joe 62
Rose Hulman 62 Manchester 50
Franklin 68 Defiance 78
Anderson 57 Transylvania 64

Knowing the history of the HCAC- I went with a couple of upsets this week. As a fan...I hope I am wrong..As a realist...I know history....

Anyone else intersted in joining in picks, please feel free to post. It will give us all the more reason to visit d3 hoops and get some activity going on this board-afterall, it can only help the league!
Best of luck to the HCAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on January 17, 2009, 07:55:29 AM
I have to agree on the picks above.  Not a good feeling for FC.  However if they do pull this out I like there chances to host later in the year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 18, 2009, 09:25:59 AM
Log jam... nice job with the picks, HCACdad.  All games were toss-ups yesterday, though must admit some surpirse at the outcome from Delphi.  Perhaps the MSJ showing vs Defiance wasn't a fluke as previously thought and the Lions are showing some pride.  :D  The second half of the season should be a barnburner.

Despite Pettaway being saddled with foul trouble and playing but 18 minutes, the guards and Nick Sales (double-double with 16 and 16) closed the deal early on at McMaster.  Source of surprise was the shooting percentage from beyond the arc, and the fact that FC never sniffed a lead after knotting the game at 2-2 in the first minute.   

We don't see any scores for small college in the local fishwrap, much less coverage, in "Sodom on the 'Hooch" (Atlanta), so thanks to all contributors for their updates and providing "a fix" for this misplaced midwesterner.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hcacdad1 on January 18, 2009, 01:07:58 PM
Posted total 7-1!

4 teams tied for 1st! I wouldn't have it any other way.

Defiance rebounded nicely with a big win over Franklin. Mt. St. Joe with a big win over Bluffton. Transylvania defeated #22 Anderson. Kudos to Joey Verax of Transy who will no doubt be the HCAC player of the week.. 10-10 on Wednesday and posted 39 yesterday in 2 big wins for Transy. Manchester beating Rose was a bit of a surprise...It's evident why the HCAC struggles to get national recognition-they all beat each other up all year. Any thoughts on who is the best right now?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on January 19, 2009, 05:40:03 PM
Fun times in the HCAC!!  With the group of bunched at the top the playoffs start now. Getting a top seed will tough and the tiebreaker may be needed this year.  Hard to say who is on top at this point.  No real road warriors have emerged.  FC has another tough Saturday trip this week at Anderson and no gimme on Wed night against rival Hanover.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hcacdad1 on January 21, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
Picks for tonight: Posted Record: 7-1
Defiance 71 Bluffton 63
Hanover 51 Franklin 64
Transylvania 72 Mt. St. Joe 60
Anderson 81 Manchester71.

Don't see any major upsets tonight...If I had to pick one...Bluffton has the best chance...

Good Luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 21, 2009, 09:31:11 PM
Defiance 71 Bluffton 68     
Hanover 71 Franklin 86       
Transylvania 73 Mt. St. Joseph 54
Anderson 100 Manchester 62

Hcacdad1 -- you got all your picks right, but I have to disagree with the suggestion that Bluffton beating Defiance would have been an upset.  The Beavers were leading by 10 with about 5 minutes to go ... but went cold from the field after that.  I think we had more turnovers than shots attempts, including two costly turnovers in the final minute.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: andersonfan1 on January 22, 2009, 02:50:43 PM
Looks like a tight race at the top with 4 teams at 6-2.......Franklin, Anderson, Defiance, Transy......
Bluffton at 4-4
Manchester 3-5
Rose-Hulman and MSJ 2-6
and then Hanover at 1-7

I disagree with the last post however, because if Bluffton would have won last night I believe it would have been an upset. Defiance is more well rounded. I give props to Bluffton though for hanging tough and almost pulling out the victory.......

Here are my picks for Saturday

Rose Hulman 51     Bluffton 57
Hanover 64            Defiance 77
Franklin 75            Anderson 83
Manchester 54         Transy 74

No real upsets......Anderson-Franklin game might go either way, but I'm picking Anderson at home.....
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hcacdad1 on January 22, 2009, 03:35:47 PM
Another exciting night!
New posted total: 11-1

When I say upset- I am speaking soley in terms of standings. Hoever, if I were to throw out the ranking and conduct a "BCS like" formula- I would have to admit I would consider the Beavers beating Defiance an upset as well. Bluffton does have a nice club, but it is clear that Defiance has more "talent" 1-8 than anyone in the league. However "talent" does not always covert to wins.

Anderson fan.. Glad to see you join in picking the winners. I will wait to post mine...

Sorry Darryl....not sure which way I am going this week.... but if I had to pick 1 upset for Saturday.... Bluffton would on my upset special watch list. We'll see though...I need to sleep on this one!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hcacdad1 on January 23, 2009, 02:03:00 PM
Posted Total: 11-1
Predictions for Saturday
Rose Hulman 60 Bluffton 54
Hanover 62 Defiance 75
Franklin 71 Anderson 81
Manchester 62 Transylvania 75

There you have it...good luck!



Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
Rose-Hulman 73, Bluffton 82
Hanover 47, Defiance 50 (score was 15-15 at halftime)
Manchester 55, Transylvania 69
Franklin 74, Anderson 67

Bluffton hit 28-30 FTs for the game, including 21 straight in the second half.  (LOTS of fouls in the second half -- RHIT also had quite a few attempts, but only hit 15-22.)


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on January 24, 2009, 07:14:37 PM
Franklin, Defiance, and Transy still notted at the top and the Ravens slip at home and put themselves in a tough spot for a chance to host the post season tournament. 

Congrats to the Griz today for a great road win.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 26, 2009, 07:44:00 AM
Most fortunate that Defiance, like Bluffton, was able to can 12-12 charity tosses in the second half as shooting from the field (13% from 3, south of 38% for game) was pretty abyssmal.  Coach Miller returned to Weaner (McMaster back in my era) with a solid game plan and very nearly pulled off an upset.  Can't blame the rims for either teams' shooting performances - the womens' matchup tallied 181 points.   ;)

Personal obligations force abandonment of southern climes for cornfield frigidity over the next couple of weeks.  Look forward to attendance of the Andy-DC tilt as a necessary respite from familial dysfunction.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on January 31, 2009, 06:18:29 PM
Franklin keeps the train rolling with another win this week at home over the Beavers and Defiance and Transy stay half a game back due to scheduling (played one less game).

Anderson (whose conference title it was to lose to paraphrase a quote a few weeks ago) has lost again and is essentially eliminated from the regular season title and a chance to host.  Hanover's record is a fooler as they have beat the Ravens and took the Pioneers to OT last thurs eve.  FC will get all they want down there in a couple of weeks for sure.

Good luck to the Grizzlies going forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2009, 08:59:13 AM
My computer program just ran through the 224 possible outcomes for the remaining 24 games, and according to those results, the top three teams are guaranteed a spot in the conference tournament, with AU and BU nearly certain.

Franklin's sweeps of AU and BU give the Grizzlies the edge to take the #1 spot (and make it unlikely that AU or BU could take that spot).  Both TU and DC have beaten FC, but still have to play at Franklin, where the Grizzlies have yet to lose.  Season splits with TU and DC would just about lock in the top spot for Franklin, since DC lost to AU and TU lost to BU.

Here are the percents of all scenarios that place each team at each tournament seed:

Team      #1      #2      #3      #4      #5      #6            In tournament
FC:     37.50%  31.74%  25.48%   5.00%   0.28%   0.00%            100.0%
TU:     34.57%  29.56%  19.92%  10.44%   5.48%   0.03%            100.0%
DC:     25.59%  27.80%  24.01%  17.10%   5.46%   0.05%            100.0%
AU:      2.01%   8.45%  22.21%  43.50%  22.60%   1.19%             99.9%
BU:      0.34%   2.46%   8.38%  23.75%  58.22%   5.65%             98.8%
MC:      0.00%   0.00%   0.00%   0.03%   1.47%  36.74%             38.3%
RHIT:    0.00%   0.00%   0.00%   0.11%   1.74%  31.64%             33.5%
MSJ:     0.00%   0.00%   0.00%   0.07%   3.59%  13.84%             17.5%
HC:      0.00%   0.00%   0.00%   0.01%   1.17%  10.86%             12.0%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 04, 2009, 05:11:00 PM
good stuff Darryl.  As a FC fan I like it!!  Now FC needs to go out and keep winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2009, 09:49:47 PM
MAJOR upset at AU, as RHIT takes out the Ravens in OT.  The other three home teams came out on top.

Rose-Hulman 83, Anderson 77
Defiance 48, Transylvania 53
Mt. St. Joseph 78, Hanover 82
Manchester 64, Franklin 78

More good news for FC, obviously ... I'll check out the effect of these new results on the tournament scenarios a bit later.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2009, 06:59:39 AM
Current standings and upcoming games:

TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Franklin10-26-04-2vs. TU, vs. DC, @ MSJ, @ HC
Transylvania9-26-03-2@ FC, @ RHIT, vs. BU, vs. MSJ, @ AU
Defiance8-34-14-2@ FC, vs. AU, @ MSJ, vs. RHIT, vs. BU
Anderson7-54-23-3@ DC, @ BU, vs. MC, vs. TU
Bluffton6-53-23-3vs. HC, vs. AU, @ TU, @ DC, vs. MSJ
Rose-Hulman4-81-53-3vs. TU, vs. HC, @ DC, @ MC
Hanover3-93-30-6@ BU, @ RHIT, vs. MC, vs. FC
Manchester3-91-52-4vs. MSJ, @ HC, @ AU, vs. RHIT
Mount St. Joseph  2-92-40-5@ MC, vs. DC, vs. FC, @ TU, @ BU


... and the end-of-season scenarios:

Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  In tournament
FC    45.91%  34.34%  18.59%  1.15%  0.01%  0.00%  100.0%
TU    44.94%  36.67%  13.29%  3.88%  1.23%  0.00%  100.0%
DC    8.87%  22.53%  38.83%  21.97%  7.72%  0.08%  100.0%
AU    0.08%  3.27%  20.53%  43.75%  30.42%  1.92%  100.0%
BU    0.20%  3.19%  8.76%  28.98%  53.52%  4.31%  99.0%
RHIT    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.24%  3.36%  47.15%  50.8%
HC    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.05%  2.43%  18.49%  21.0%
MC    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.20%  22.69%  22.9%
MSJ    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  1.11%  5.36%  6.5%
(You might wonder, "How did AU lose, but lock in a spot in the tournament?"  It's because Franklin won.  The slim chance that AU would end up #7 or below involved scenarios that had FC, AU, and at least one other team tied toward the bottom of the top 6, and when tie-breakers are considered, FC's sweep of AU placed the Ravens out of the tournament.  FC's win made those scenarios impossible.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 06, 2009, 08:34:45 PM
HCAC dad has exited the board subsequent to the Raven meltdown.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 06, 2009, 10:54:39 PM
He might be waiting for the tourney to start.  I just hope the Beavers can hold onto to their spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 07, 2009, 07:17:08 AM
If the Ravens win the tourney he may reappear. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2009, 02:53:45 PM
Don't be too hard on hcacdad--I can sympathize after Bluffton's loss to Hanover today.

With three wins in a row, preceded by close losses at Defiance and Transy, Hanover is really coming on strong late in the season.

By the way, I discovered that AU is not quite guaranteed a spot in the tournament ... that "100.0%" in the report I posted on Thursday was rounded up from 99.96%.  (It dropped slightly, to 99.92%, with Hanover's win today.)  From now on, I will add an extra decimal place to the printout.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 07, 2009, 09:13:33 PM
Hanover is on fire.  I just told my wife the FC is in trouble if they go down there assuming any kind of game but a tough one.  HC is playing as well as any team in the conference right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2009, 09:30:04 PM
Hanover  92, Bluffton 78
Anderson 59, Defiance 64
Transylvania 60, Rose-Hulman 47
Mt. St. Joseph 67, Manchester 75

TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Franklin10-26-04-2vs. TU, @ MSJ, @ HC, vs. DC
Transylvania10-26-04-2@ FC, vs. BU, vs. MSJ, @ AU
Defiance9-35-14-2@ MSJ, vs. RHIT, vs. BU, @ FC
Anderson7-64-23-4@ BU, vs. MC, vs. TU
Bluffton6-63-33-3vs. AU, @ TU, @ DC, vs. MSJ
Hanover4-93-31-6@ RHIT, vs. MC, vs. FC
Manchester4-92-52-4@ HC, @ AU, vs. RHIT
Rose-Hulman4-91-63-3vs. HC, @ DC, @ MC
Mount St. Joseph2-102-40-6vs. DC, vs. FC, @ TU, @ BU


Transy now ends up with the regular season championship in a slight majority of the remaining scenarios.  Wednesday's TU/FC matchup will obviously have a substantial impact on that number.  AU and BU have lost their slim shots at the #1 seed.

Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  In tournament
TU    56.92%  32.73%  9.96%  0.39%  0.00%  0.00%  100.0%
FC    33.71%  37.51%  28.78%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  100.0%
DC    9.38%  29.37%  56.04%  5.07%  0.14%  0.00%  100.0%
AU    0.00%  0.00%  2.44%  59.03%  37.03%  1.49%  100.0%(for real this time.)
BU    0.00%  0.39%  2.77%  35.32%  55.24%  5.50%  99.2%
HC    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.19%  5.63%  25.03%  30.9%
MC    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.78%  35.03%  35.8%
RHIT    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.78%  31.96%  32.7%
MSJ    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.39%  0.98%  1.4%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 07, 2009, 11:48:36 PM
Transylvania(10-2) at Franklin(10-2) Wed night

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 08, 2009, 09:33:42 AM
Big game for sure.  However with Hanover playing like a conference leader and Defiance still on the schedule, the tournament begins Wed eve for Franklin.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 08, 2009, 11:40:35 PM
predictions on wed. tufan?  oh spokesperson for vampire basketball you.........
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu-fan on February 10, 2009, 09:44:48 PM
Tomorrow nights contest should be a good one. I hope Franklin has live video so I can watch the game rather than watching live stats,however it will be very difficult to watch on my dial up internet connection....

Darryl,

If I am looking at this correctly, if TU wins tomorrow- they would have a 1 game lead over Franklin and the tie break. That would mean unless they lose 2 of their last 3-the HCAC tourney would be at TU? Also, what effect do you see the Wittenburg (canceled due to weather) having on the Pioneers chances of at large bids or even hosting the NCAA tourney...assuming they should win out
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 11, 2009, 12:07:25 AM
tu fan,

grizzly site does not mention live video.    at large bid? Vampires should move up in regional rankings with St. Norbert losses  but Franklin is 6-0 at home and ya better not overlook them ... TU still has Beavers coming to Beck Center and they lost to them in the Blufton Beaver Dome earlier..  Witt game is tough loss because this looks like the year to get them, even on the road   .they broke TU hearts in 2006 keeping Lane and the boys from Final Four....   Other big games in the HCAC with conference tourney ramifications.  Lots of teams still in running for 5th and 6th
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 11, 2009, 07:34:16 AM
griz_backer,
any audio for Transy @ Franklin tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2009, 08:04:04 AM
Quote from: tu-fan on February 10, 2009, 09:44:48 PM
Darryl,

If I am looking at this correctly, if TU wins tomorrow- they would have a 1 game lead over Franklin and the tie break. That would mean unless they lose 2 of their last 3-the HCAC tourney would be at TU? Also, what effect do you see the Wittenburg (canceled due to weather) having on the Pioneers chances of at large bids or even hosting the NCAA tourney...assuming they should win out

That is correct -- three wins out of the last four (including beating FC) would put the tourney at TU.  More generally, a win for TU tonight would give them the #1 seed in about 84% of scenarios.  If FC wins, they host in about 57% of possible scenarios.

But as kyballr noted, we'd better wait and see how tonight's game goes first.  That will make things a lot clearer.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 11, 2009, 11:24:05 AM
Quote from: kyballr on February 11, 2009, 07:34:16 AM
griz_backer,
any audio for Transy @ Franklin tonight?

http://franklincollege.edu/athletics/Webcast/index.cfm?aud=ath

This link suggests that you will be able to listen to the Transy @ Franklin game tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2009, 10:02:21 PM
Transylvania 76, Franklin 88      
Anderson 88, Bluffton 93 OT
Hanover 71, Rose-Hulman    66
Defiance 68, Mount St. Joseph 64

MSJ falls out of contention for the conference tournament, while Bluffton locks in a spot.


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Franklin11-27-04-2@ MSJ, @ HC, vs. DC
Defiance10-35-15-2vs. RHIT, vs. BU, @ FC
Transylvania10-36-04-3vs. BU, vs. MSJ, @ AU
Bluffton7-64-33-3@ TU, @ DC, vs. MSJ
Anderson7-74-23-5vs. MC, vs. TU
Hanover5-93-32-6vs. MC, vs. FC
Manchester4-92-52-4@ HC, @ AU, vs. RHIT
Rose-Hulman4-101-73-3@ DC, @ MC
Mount St. Joseph2-112-50-6vs. FC, @ TU, @ BU



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  In tournament
FC    52.15%  27.15%  20.70%  ---  ---  ---  IN!
TU    27.15%  44.73%  25.78%  2.34%  ---  ---  IN!
DC    20.70%  27.34%  50.98%  0.98%  ---  ---  IN!
BU    ---  0.78%  2.54%  66.31%  27.93%  2.44%  IN!
AU    ---  ---  ---  29.69%  64.84%  5.47%  IN!
HC    ---  ---  ---  0.68%  7.23%  46.97%  54.883%
MC    ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  31.25%  31.250%
RHIT    ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  13.87%  13.867%
MSJ    ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 11, 2009, 10:32:24 PM
FC and Transy played at a tournament and NCAA caliber pace and effort tonight.  Great plays by both teams.  Transy coach a bit of a whiner about calls but plenty of tough calls made against both teams.  Very physical battle.  Best game of the year for FC as the Griz attacked the basket and the bench was productive.

Griz need to step it up again as they travel to MSJ and Hanover before they defend the home court against the yellowjackets.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 12, 2009, 07:06:00 AM
TU Fan,
Power out throughout Central KY again ...first ice then crazy winds...probably glad I did not have to endure audio...you get to listen?
i'm not going to tell you I told you so but......they were 6-0 at home.
looking at box score,  Verax must have struggled with 6 points, foul out and technical? He had over 20 points in earlier game.  bye bye conference tourney in Ky.  we could have used the economic stimulus...

Griz, how did the tech on Verax and Gasser happen?

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu-fan on February 12, 2009, 09:02:10 AM
Unfortunately, I did get to listen to parts of the game. I was outside chasing siding off of my house most of the night. Ugly game in Franklin (for the pioneers) apparently. I spoke with a good friend that went to the game this morning. He said the Pioneers couldn't guard the weave. While he said the officiating was not good - he said TU just wasn't good enough to win the game last night. As for the Verax tech, notsure what happened-hard to understand on radio. I do know he fouled out with 15 + minutes in the 2nd half. When he went to the bench....the rest was history.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 12, 2009, 09:24:41 AM
Quote from: tu-fan on February 12, 2009, 09:02:10 AM
Unfortunately, I did get to listen to parts of the game. I was outside chasing siding off of my house most of the night. Ugly game in Franklin (for the pioneers) apparently. I spoke with a good friend that went to the game this morning. He said the Pioneers couldn't guard the weave. While he said the officiating was not good - he said TU just wasn't good enough to win the game last night. As for the Verax tech, notsure what happened-hard to understand on radio. I do know he fouled out with 15 + minutes in the 2nd half. When he went to the bench....the rest was history.


TU usually has no chance without verax in the game....still think he has great shot for player of year.

aren't you glad you took the wheels off?  your house would have rolled all the way to the other end of the neighborhood...  ;)
vampires lost at Blufton earlier....another loss and we slide to Friday 1st round tourney game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 12, 2009, 06:32:05 PM
I think it was a double tech.  At first the foul appeared to be on Gasser underneath.  This was after the coach got t'd up.  Then the next thing you know the TU folks and the coaches are all bent out of shape.  Both players must have said something and the ref had had enough.  I didn't see why the foul was called. 

The tech on the coach was earned.  Earlier in the game a blocking foul was called on FC that appeared to be a charge and went against FC. Similar foul later on Vorax (sp?) went against Transy. Consistent IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 12, 2009, 09:39:15 PM
if verax and gasser got t'd up and verax fouled out...i think I know how TU boys got "bent out of shape".

Franklin is a good team and looked well coached in Lex.  non-conference schedule for them must have been tougher than most..

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 13, 2009, 02:05:08 PM
Haven't posted in a long while (wife & I just had our first child!), but I have been following the season.  First of all Nester +1 to you for all the stats, that's just awesome.  Second, this season has been very exciting!  With Franklin, Transy, & DC, it is going to be interesting to see how the season finishes.  Finally, I hope DC can finish strong & win out, plus giving Franklin their third conf. loss.  With that said, what would happen with Franklin, Transy, & DC with 3 conference losses? Would Transy take it b/c of two wins over DC & DC's two wins over Franklin?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 13, 2009, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 13, 2009, 02:05:08 PM
Haven't posted in a long while (wife & I just had our first child!), but I have been following the season.  First of all Nester +1 to you for all the stats, that's just awesome.  Second, this season has been very exciting!  With Franklin, Transy, & DC, it is going to be interesting to see how the season finishes.  Finally, I hope DC can finish strong & win out, plus giving Franklin their third conf. loss.  With that said, what would happen with Franklin, Transy, & DC with 3 conference losses? Would Transy take it b/c of two wins over DC & DC's two wins over Franklin?

I asked Darryl that this morning and based upon his reading of the tie-breaker criteria, that is indeed the case.  A three-way tie between TU, DC, and FC would result in TU hosting.  Interesting that the TU women also have a chance to host which would make for an interesting  and busy weekend in Lexington, KY.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 13, 2009, 05:45:18 PM
some good old fashion wishful thinking (lol) for TU and DC.  Like I said earlier this week the conference tourney started last wed for FC.  MSJ wont lay down and they have nothing to lose.  Hanover right now can beat anyone in the conference (and lately they practically have), then FC has to beat a DC team that may be playing for a number one or two seed and possible home court.

That said if FC brings their "A" game they should be alright.  The Hanover game scares me to be honest.  Right now they are on a roll and have it figured out.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 13, 2009, 11:02:34 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 13, 2009, 02:05:08 PM
Haven't posted in a long while (wife & I just had our first child!), but I have been following the season.  First of all Nester +1 to you for all the stats, that's just awesome.  Second, this season has been very exciting!  With Franklin, Transy, & DC, it is going to be interesting to see how the season finishes.  Finally, I hope DC can finish strong & win out, plus giving Franklin their third conf. loss.  With that said, what would happen with Franklin, Transy, & DC with 3 conference losses? Would Transy take it b/c of two wins over DC & DC's two wins over Franklin?

dc_has_been,
congrats on the new kid!  1st of many.......?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2009, 07:07:48 PM
RHIT 67, Defiance 78
Franklin 91, MSJ 78
Bluffton 53, Transy 58
Manchester 71, Hanover 81

Hanover clinches the final spot in the tournament, but the seeds are still not set:


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Franklin12-27-05-2@ HC, vs. DC
Transylvania11-37-04-3vs. MSJ, @ AU
Defiance11-36-15-2vs. BU, @ FC
Anderson7-74-23-5vs. MC, vs. TU
Bluffton7-74-33-4@ DC, vs. MSJ
Hanover6-94-32-6vs. FC
Manchester4-102-52-5@ AU, vs. RHIT
Rose-Hulman4-111-73-4@ MC
Mount St. Joseph2-122-60-6@ TU, @ BU



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Tournament?
Franklin
53.12%25.00%21.88%------Yes
Transylvania
25.00%50.00%25.00%------Yes
Defiance
21.88%25.00%53.12%------Yes
Bluffton
------57.03%32.81%10.16%Yes
Anderson
------40.62%48.44%10.94%Yes
Hanover
------2.34%18.75%78.91%Yes
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 15, 2009, 04:50:40 AM
Thanks kyballr, this is the first for the me & the wife.  If there will be more, well that will be TBD! ;)
Congrats to Hanover for their strong finish to get seeded in the tourney.  I'm still hoping DC wins out of course, but I don't see Transy slipping >:(.   Regardless of what happens this has been an exciting finish to conf. action. 
Darryl, keep up the great work!  Your updates are faster than ESPN!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2009, 08:17:50 AM
Now that RHIT has been eliminated from the tournament for both men and women, the 3/6 and 4/5 games have been rescheduled for Tuesday night (2/24) at the #3 and #4 schools, with the semifinals Friday and finals on Saturday night -- instead of the whole tournament running from Friday through Sunday at the #1 seed.

(For those who don't recall what Rose has to do with this ... that week is winter-term final exam week, and they aren't allowed to leave midweek.  At least that was the case when this was discussed two and a half years ago. (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3706.msg761543#msg761543))
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 15, 2009, 09:16:02 AM
You certainly are on top pf the HCAC logistics Darryl.  Thanks for the continued analysis related to the seeding probability. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 16, 2009, 10:58:22 PM
1 week left
in tough HCAC and 1,2,3 still up for grabs (advantage Franklin)
4,5,6 to be determined....  any predicts?

Mt.SJ, Rose H and Manchester eliminated from tourney....

Feb. 18   
7:30 PM   Bluffton @ Defiance         
7:30 PM   Franklin @ Hanover         
7:30 PM   Mount St. Joseph @ Transylvania         
7:30 PM   Manchester @ Anderson               

Feb. 21   
3:00 PM   Mount St. Joseph @ Bluffton               
3:00 PM   Rose-Hulman @ Manchester         
4:00 PM   Defiance @ Franklin               
4:00 PM   Transylvania @ Anderson
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 17, 2009, 01:50:20 PM
Feb. 18
Defiance-DC will spank the Beavers (just fun to say ;D)
Franklin- I know Hanover is rolling, but compare who they've beat during their streak & who Franklin beat.
Transy- Come on!
Anderson-starts play like the team they should.

Feb. 21
Bluffton-locks up the 5th spot.
Manchester-going w/ the home team.
Defiance-DC will have to shoot the lights out again plus I like the way Sales & Pettaway have been playing.
Anderson-wishful thinking & clinches the 4th spot.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 17, 2009, 06:22:38 PM
I agree with has_been except if FC survives the tilt in Hanover Wed night I like the Grizzlies at home.  FC is playing well right now and hasn't lost since since they the double loss week at Transy and DC.  The FC bench is much stronger and more confident than they were a few weeks ago.

Hanover is going to be tough and FC will get all they can handle.  FC wins a hard fought squeaker.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 18, 2009, 02:34:42 PM
Griz-Backer- Franklin truely is the team to beat b/c they have been rolling over teams since their last loss.  6 of their last 7 games they have won by 10+ points. 
I'm still hoping DC can win tonight & come to Franklin on Saturday to get at least a first round by, but it will be very tough & I'll have to wait & see if it is even possible b/c Bluffton comes first.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 18, 2009, 05:55:11 PM
I am hoping the game with DC has a a first round bye and/or title on the line  More fun that way.  The Transy game last week was a war.  Lot of emotion and played at a championship level by both teams.  I am hoping the DC game is that way if FC gets by Hanover tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 18, 2009, 09:18:54 PM
Bluffton 59-Defiance 57 Final Big win for the Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2009, 09:59:37 PM
In addition to Bluffton over Defiance, Franklin, Transy, and Manchester picked up wins over (resp.) Hanover, MSJ, and Anderson.  That means the seeding is almost complete ...

TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Franklin13-27-06-2vs. DC
Transylvania12-38-04-3@ AU
Defiance11-46-25-2@ FC
Bluffton8-74-34-4vs. MSJ
Anderson7-84-33-5vs. TU
Hanover6-104-42-6
Manchester5-102-53-5vs. RHIT
Rose-Hulman4-111-73-4@ MC
Mount St. Joseph2-132-60-7@ BU


Franklin will host if they win on Saturday, or if Transy loses.  A FC/TU tie sends the tournament to Lexington by virtue of the Pioneers' sweep of Defiance.

Next Tuesday will see AU travel to Bluffton and Hanover travel to Defiance.  AU and BU split the season, with the home team winning in overtime in both games.  Defiance swept Hanover, but the second meeting (at Defiance) was decided by only 3 points, 50-47.



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Tournament?
Franklin
75.00%25.00%--------Yes
Transylvania
25.00%75.00%--------Yes
Defiance
----100.00%------Yes
Bluffton
------100.00%----Yes
Anderson
--------100.00%--Yes
Hanover
----------100.00%Yes
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 19, 2009, 02:52:30 AM
Well DC continues to choke in typical fashion.  They seem to have that trend even before I played there.  Wow!!!!!  This is frustration obviously, but man a team who brought back almost everyone & made some nice additions should not choke this badly so many times.  I wish I could have watched some games this year to determine if it was the coaching or players? 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2009, 08:03:14 AM
I noted this morning that the men's tournament page (http://www.heartlandconf.org/m_basketball/2008/08_09_mbb_tourney.htm) at the HCAC Web site lists the opening round #4/#5 seed game as if those seeds have not been determined.  I sent the following to the HCAC to explain why I posted last night that Bluffton will host Anderson in that game.

If BU ends up tied with AU at 8-8, the tie-breaking process first looks at head-to-head competition.  Because we split the series, it then moves on to "Competition against rank/order of regular season standings."  Working down through the standings, both AU and BU:
BUT Bluffton swept both RHIT and Manchester, while Anderson split with them.  Bluffton gets the #4 slot.

*AU lost the first meeting with Transy, but in order to end up tied with BU, they would have to win Saturday, so they would have a split.

Quote from: dc_has_been on February 19, 2009, 02:52:30 AM
Well DC continues to choke in typical fashion.  They seem to have that trend even before I played there.  Wow!!!!!  This is frustration obviously, but man a team who brought back almost everyone & made some nice additions should not choke this badly so many times.  I wish I could have watched some games this year to determine if it was the coaching or players? 
At the beginning of the season, I thought (from looking at box scores) that DC was missing C.J. Johnson.  Floyd is a very good guard, but in my opinion was more effective last year in conjunction with Johnson.  He is capable of scoring lots of points (as he did in the first matchup against Bluffton, where he had a game-high 24), but in some games his ball-handling duties took precedence (like last night, when he had a game-high 6 assists, but scored only 6 points).

As the season went on, I thought they had worked out those issues--especially when Floyd dropped 24 in Founders Hall.  But they have not gelled like I would have expected.

There might have been a few team chemistry problems, or clashes with the new coach.  In the middle of the season, a few players dropped from their roster, including a senior.  That's generally not a good sign.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu-fan on February 19, 2009, 11:46:33 AM
Darryl,

Now that Transy has gone to Franklin and folded up like a cheap lawn chair....Do they need to win the conference to get an NCAA birth or can they still get an at large. If no conference championship-what do you expect they will need to do to get an at large (if possible)?  I see they are 4th in the Midwest Regional Ranking- but not sure how all of this shakes out or the process in selecting for the "Dance"
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 19, 2009, 12:11:27 PM
If Transy were to win their final game, win a game in the HCAC tourney and then lose in the championship game to go 20-6 (16-4 in region) they would have made a strong case to make the tourney.  In the current regional rankings #2, #3, #5 and #7 are all from the CCIW, so there will be additional losses there as well. Only Midwest #1/National #2 Wash U has clinched a spot in the NCAA tournament. 

Of course Darryl and I are rooting for the Beavers to win it all from the 4 spot in the HCAC Tourney! 

Past actions are not necessarily indicators of what will happen in '09, but in the Midwest region last year #1 thru #7 made the tourney.  I would think the only way the HCAC has a chance of getting two teams in the tourney is for Transy to lose to Franklin in the finals of the HCAC tournament.  Just my guess and by no means the sort of math that Darryl uses.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 19, 2009, 01:48:49 PM
   
Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #614 on: February 12, 2009, 09:02:10 am »   
Unfortunately, I did get to listen to parts of the game. I was outside chasing siding off of my house most of the night. Ugly game in Franklin (for the pioneers) apparently. I spoke with a good friend that went to the game this morning. He said the Pioneers couldn't guard the weave. While he said the officiating was not good - he said TU just wasn't good enough to win the game last night. As for the Verax tech, notsure what happened-hard to understand on radio. I do know he fouled out with 15 + minutes in the 2nd half. When he went to the bench....the rest was history.



Quote from: tu-fan on February 19, 2009, 11:46:33 AM
Darryl,

Now that Transy has gone to Franklin and folded up like a cheap lawn chair....Do they need to win the conference to get an NCAA birth or can they still get an at large. If no conference championship-what do you expect they will need to do to get an at large (if possible)?  I see they are 4th in the Midwest Regional Ranking- but not sure how all of this shakes out or the process in selecting for the "Dance"

tu fan,
some of that siding hit you in the head and get you in a bad mood?.....
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 20, 2009, 08:27:43 PM
Here's hoping for a big FC win tomorrow against DC.  Hard to predict what type of game the yellow jackets will bring as the game is meaningless for them seed wise. I am assuming they will bring their "A" game.

FC will be fired up to earn the top seed for next weekend.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu-fan on February 21, 2009, 10:50:39 AM
Might be wishful thinking for my pioneers, but I think if Transy beats Anderson today-the HCAC will be at Transy. On paper, the Franklin vs. Defiance game is a total mismatch.

Predictions
Transy 72 Anderson 67
Franklin 64 Defiance 77

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 21, 2009, 01:11:11 PM
tu fan     vampire nation hopes your predicts come true.....i think franklin in ot....if not....lex will play host to hcac tourney...with a tu win today    ...... Game on live audio stream   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 21, 2009, 02:20:56 PM
The bars open early in Lexington it appears.  ;) 13 point loss at home by FC?  I think your score is right but the mismatch will go the other way.  Transy rolls easy over Anderson.  Anderson looked good on paper but they have proven to be paper tigers.

The Griz willroll and the Yellowjackets will head back to northwest OH to regroup and get ready for Hanover.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2009, 04:59:09 PM
So far ...
MSJ 68, Bluffton 69 -- Bluffton overcame a 17-point halftime deficit (after shooting 28% in the first half, to MSJ's 68%), and battled back through the second half to take the lead on a Josh Eichar layup with 30 seconds to go -- which proved to be the final basket of the game.

Manchester beat RHIT (the live stats seem to be stuck at 26 seconds, but MC has an 18-point lead.

At halftime, DC leads FC by 2, and AU leads TU by 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 21, 2009, 05:02:38 PM
Wow - five fouls and four turnovers in the final 4:27 of 1st half - 10 pt lead shrinks to a deuce.  DC needs to get their heads back in the game and come up with an answer for Yochim (19 pts) beside Tietje and his three fouls.  Jackets led by Sales and Pettaway with 14 and 12 respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2009, 06:09:01 PM
TU survives a late charge from AU, winning 78-74.  The Ravens have now lost 6 in a row, by 5, 6, 5, 5, 12, and 4.

Meanwhile, Defiance edges Franklin, 92-89.  (I assume that's final.  The live stats are stuck at 1 second.)

Looks like the tournament is headed for Lexington ...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 21, 2009, 06:25:12 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2009, 06:09:01 PM

Meanwhile, Defiance edges Franklin, 92-89.  (I assume that's final.  The live stats are stuck at 1 second.)

Looks like the tournament is headed for Lexington ...

Funny about the "live stats" still on :01 and the game is posted in the menu as a final.  Noticed a three second delay on Gasser's last tre (on the roster stats) before it came up in the commentary.

Believe Transy's bus caravan should flag down DC's on I-465 and treat the Jackets to their post-game "Steak and Shake."  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 21, 2009, 06:27:55 PM
FC deserves the 3 hour trip south next weekend.  Missed free throws and lack of perimeter defense were the primary killers.  And absolutely no answer for Pettiway the monster down low.  He absolutely killed FC.  Not only did he have soft touch around the rim, he made an array of 5-10 foot shots plus was solid at the line when he was there.  

Defiance certainly came to play and had nothing on the line but pride.  FC has a tough row to hoe now as most likely they face DC next weekend and if they survive, Transy at home.  Not good odds.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 22, 2009, 01:45:57 PM
Now that the regular season is finished, I thought I'd pull up this post from last October:

Quote from: Darryl Nester on October 29, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
The HCAC men's preseason poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2009/10_29_mbb_preseason.htm) was posted this morning.  In brief:


07-08 Final
06-07 Final
TeamPoints (#1 votes)
standings
standings
Defiance
73 (4)
1 / 13-3
4 / 9-7
Anderson
65 (2)
2 / 10-6
9 / 2-14
Franklin
63 (1)
2 / 10-6
1 / 11-5
Transylvania
60 (1)
2 / 10-6
2 / 10-6
Hanover
35
5 / 9-7
4 / 9-7
RHIT
31
6 / 8-8
8 / 5-11
MSJ
30 (1)
8 / 3-13
4 / 9-7
Bluffton
28
7 / 7-9
2 / 10-6
Manchester
20
9 /2-14
7 / 7-9
At the time, we discussed the merits of a first-place vote for MSJ.  In hindsight, it sure looks pretty misguided -- although they did lose quite a few close games (5 losses by 4 or fewer points).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu-fan on February 22, 2009, 04:10:06 PM
GrizzFan, bars are always open in Lexington, if not Gillespie would have never taken the KY Job ;) I hate to say I told you so....but I told you so. On paper, the Defiance Franklin game is a total mismatch. And before I hear "Franklin only lost by 3", let me  remind you Defiance led by double digits- on the road- on multiple occasions. It wasn't until a late desperation charge that Franklin closed the gap. Congrats to Fraklin on a split conference championship. Praither does a great job of getting the most out of his players.

Congrats to the Pioneers for bring the Tourney back to Lexington! Should be a great 2 days of action and probably the most wide open tourney in recent memory. Good luck to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 22, 2009, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: tu-fan on February 22, 2009, 04:10:06 PM
GrizzFan, bars are always open in Lexington, if not Gillespie would have never taken the KY Job ;) I hate to say I told you so....but I told you so. On paper, the Defiance Franklin game is a total mismatch. And before I hear "Franklin only lost by 3", let me  remind you Defiance led by double digits- on the road- on multiple occasions. It wasn't until a late desperation charge that Franklin closed the gap. Congrats to Fraklin on a split conference championship. Praither does a great job of getting the most out of his players.

Congrats to the Pioneers for bring the Tourney back to Lexington! Should be a great 2 days of action and probably the most wide open tourney in recent memory. Good luck to all!

Never mind the Bees' inability to can a field goal in the last several minutes of each half and a dozen more turnovers than the Griz.  >:( It was painful to watch the stats with no audio feed from Defiance.

Congrats to all that have made this an exceptional season and best to all teams in the first round, and in Lexington.  TU - have a Hot Brown or some fried peppers at Hall's by the River while relishing homecourt.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 22, 2009, 08:36:27 PM
hoopsville says Transy "Vampires" a "lock" for pool c.  Hope the CO-champs don't hear the chatter and get ready for a tough weekend.  Lex is certainly one of the best sites for the HCAC tourney ( Defiance last and Franklin the year before).  I would guess everyone but Franklin is excited about trying to get to Lex.  I saw HCAC run with the Marc Bain Show and then NCAA round 1 and 2 in 2006.  Place was sold out and even Tubby Smith (uk coach at the time) showed up for the game.  Would be great if the guys can do it again.  Could be tougher this year because '06 had a little more size...  Friday could be a cluster with Women tourney 2 and 4 pm and men 6 and 8 pm....all at the Taj Mahal that they call the Beck Center....
web site does not say anything yet but since video was available for games during year,  HCAC should be available to the world on the web..


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 22, 2009, 08:40:50 PM
Correction!  Transy site has link to live video and live stats on schedule page so everyone can tune in for 8 hours of HCAC Tourney hoops.... women 2/4 pm and men 6/8 pm,

Good luck Coach Todd and Coach Lane!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 23, 2009, 02:28:29 PM
Well, with Transy playing host in Men's & Women's there should be some good crowds.  Hopefully DC corrects their turnover margin b/c they will not make it past the first round if they don't.  They can't rely on Sales & Pettaway to do it all & get by. 

I couldn't add to Darryl's post, but I wanted to add the final conf. records for 2008-2009.
Not bad for Bluffton to reach fourth after being predicted to come in 9th place & Transy to take the #1 spot after getting marked at #4.  I still think DC was a big disappointment considering what they brought back & their recruiting class that they had.  I forget who mentioned it, but they are probably right about the teams chemistry.                   
Transylvania 16 13-3
Franklin        16 13-3
Defiance       16 12-4
Bluffton         16 9-7
Anderson      16 7-9
Manchester   16 6-10
Hanover        16 6-10
Rose-Hulman 16 4-12
Mt. St. Joseph 16 2-14
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 23, 2009, 04:38:36 PM
Quote from: kyballr on February 22, 2009, 08:40:50 PM
Correction!  Transy site has link to live video and live stats on schedule page so everyone can tune in for 8 hours of HCAC Tourney hoops.... women 2/4 pm and men 6/8 pm,

Good luck Coach Todd and Coach Lane!

Thanks for the update - FANtastic!  First things first, though, is getting by Hanover... again.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2009, 09:12:39 PM
AU over BU 62-47 in an ugly game ... the Ravens chose the right game to break their losing streak.

And Defiance/Hanover just went final with Pettaway dropping in a last-second shot to win by 1.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 25, 2009, 08:28:35 PM
Random musings:

Pettaway is a beast! Not sure why he is playing D3.  He seems able to play at a higher level.  Late bloomer?  FC could use a guy like him and move Conoley to the 4. 

Hopeful thinking gets FC to the Sat night game.  FC matches up with Transy better than DC.  FC has nobody to effectively defend Pettaway.  The big guys are all young and smallish compared to him.  If DC plays good team basketball they have a good shot of beating both FC and TU.  Pure talent edge to DC.  Transy has the experience and balance.  FC needs to be able to defend/rebound well and hit some three's to have a solid shot.

I predict TU the winner being at home.  DC to beat Franklin (close game).  I am just a realist. DC struggling at home against HC was a bit of a surprise.  Maybe not mentally sharp after the tough game at FC?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 26, 2009, 12:07:03 AM
Agree that Transy is the team that holds the cards, and while Griz_Backer's prediction would be appreciated, the Jackets have proven too much of an enigma since the beginning of February to put much money on.  Aside from a win over RHIT at Weaner, every game (home and away) has been decided by five points or less - a couple with blown, double digit leads in the second stanza.

If there is a saving grace, DC seems to be more focused when away from home lately.  Regardless, it will be an interesting weekend and kudos to Transylvania for providing a video stream for the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 26, 2009, 02:08:10 PM
DC has played nearly perfect both times they played against Franklin.  Pettaway & Sales have been key for sure & they are tough tandem to stop down low.  Griz is right about the young guys will have to step up.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 27, 2009, 04:42:28 PM
Alright, I'm going to throw some stuff out there before tip off in both games.  First, DC is going to crush the griz under Pettaway & Sales both getting double-doubles & Floyd dishes out 10+ dimes.  The biggest key will be DC's bench coming up huge.  Second, Anderson will shock Transy when Mike Russell lights them up w/ 35 points, their D playes flawlessly & Transy will get in early foul trouble that puts them behind & they won't be able to catch up.  Finally, when my predictions come true I'll call vegas & put a lot of money on black & call it a day! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 27, 2009, 05:44:38 PM
It appears we are both drinking and I almost believed you  haha
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 27, 2009, 08:29:59 PM
I'm drinking now!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 27, 2009, 08:52:00 PM
FC lives to play another day and in another HCAC final.  Third time is the charm.  we just might head to Lexington tomorrow night.  Hat's off to the yellowjackets.  They are a solid team and had a great year.


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 28, 2009, 01:45:37 AM
I obviously didn't end up calling Vegas & turns out I saved some money!  Good luck to both teams tomorrow & all the best to DC seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 28, 2009, 02:11:23 AM
Shhhh........I'm fishing for Sagers.

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So it appears in the HCAC it was difficult to beat a team 3 times in one season.

Defiance 80 Franklin 65
Defiance 92 Franklin 89
Franklin 73 Defiance 67
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 28, 2009, 10:07:01 AM
The only win that matters now.  Defiance is not real deep but the two go-to guys they have are really good.  Pettaway is 6"9" 255 with a soft touch around the basket and can take his game out to the perimeter to distribute the ball.

When Defiance has it on all cylinders they are hard to beat.

I wasnt' at the game but it appears that FC clamped down better on defense and did some rebounding.  Last week Defiance killed them on the boards and took away the three point opportunities.

In tonight's game everybody knows what each team will bring.  Transy does a nice job of being able to penetrate in the lane with their guards and be able to dish back out for the three.  They are well coached and have several upper classmen.  They are very tough to beat down there

FC brings a similar type game but runs the floor a little more.  Neither team is real big underneath.  Should be a good game.  Either team cold win this one but the edge has to go to Transy.  They are home and they got popped pretty good up at FC a couple weeks ago.


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 28, 2009, 02:33:39 PM
There's an old adage among fishing guides up in Alaska when dealing with bears - if a potential conflict is inevitable, and if the pursued has a lead, he'd best make sure to maintain it until safe harbor or have adequate firepower to slow the charge.  Falling down and feigning death is not a good option with Grizzlies.   8)

A -8 in second chance points, a -10 surrendered due to turnovers, a 2:1 turnover to assist ratio, and 0-5 from the field and 3-6 from charity during the last 4:00 made tourney survival an improbability under the best of circumstances.  Like Has_Been, time for a beer and stowing the Kool-aid until next season.

Congratulations to Franklin!  The Griz obviously picked up some valuable insight from last weekend and did a beautiful job on the boards and closing the deal this time around.  Here's to a good finale.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu-fan on March 01, 2009, 10:19:48 AM
Congrats to the Pioneers of Transy. Regular season and Conference Champs of the HCAC...now lets move on.

Darryl,

d3hoops projections would send conference winner Transy to the Centre College bracket. Do the Pioneers not have a case to host?
Resume
21-5 Overall
18-3 in the Midwest
Key DIII wins: Bridgewater St (N) (MASCAC Champions), @ Center College (in finals of SCAC Champ), Maryville TN (GSAC Champions), Thomas More (PAC champions).

Key DII Losses: @Bluffton (2), @ Hanover (2), @ Franklin (12), neutral Wisconson Superior (17).

They will have wins over 4 conference tournament champions- 3 of which won regular season titles. No home losses.

Not bad....
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on March 01, 2009, 12:03:42 PM
Good game last eve.  We made the trip down (crappy weather, ended up staying in Frankfort on way back due to black ice on I-64)

FC hung tough and had chances to win the game, but Transy made some great shots when they absolutely had to have them.  Great atmosphere.  Game played at championship level by both teams, game decided by the players (officials called a decent consistent game). 

Enjoyable game to watch regardless of the outcome.

Good luck to the Pioneers the rest of the way. 

FC will be back.  Very solid group of freshman that received losts of playing time.  Prather will recruit some more unknown gems from the hills of southern Indiana like he always does.


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2009, 05:08:03 PM
tu fan-- you lay out a good case, but I don't know enough about the details of how those decisions are made to say anything about how the hosting assignments will be made.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 01, 2009, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2009, 05:08:03 PM
tu fan-- you lay out a good case, but I don't know enough about the details of how those decisions are made to say anything about how the hosting assignments will be made.

Based on past history you need to be among the top 2 teams in your region to have a chance at hosting.  Thats not always the case as geography and jiggered seedings sometime foul things up.  I think Transy was #4 in the Midwest thats just outside the mark, however geography works in Transy's favor, there may be a need for a central hosting site and Lexington could be just the place.

Keep in mind only 16 schools will host a game Saturday afternoon, and only 4 on Thursday.  Its pretty tough to get a hosting gig these days.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:33:52 PM
Someone want to post Trany's profile here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu-fan on March 02, 2009, 10:01:46 PM
Transy will represent the HCAC at Center College in Danville, KY. I can't help but think the Pioneers were dissapointed when they saw they didn't have the opportunity to host. However, Transy must be pleased with the site of competition even though they didn't host. Transy is 3-1 under Lane at Center College. The Pioneers have already beaten Center on their home court (which the NCAA will have a difficult time justifying) and are getting great play from its upperclassman. Guilford will be a very difficult game as it looks like they have a strong inside presence-happy to see its not as "strong"  :D as last year as Ben Strong- NCAA Player of the Year -has graduated from last year's team ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 02, 2009, 10:38:25 PM
Not to be a pain but its Centre College.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu-fan on March 03, 2009, 09:11:25 AM
I stand corrected- it is Centre College indeed
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 03, 2009, 09:18:36 AM
Quote from: sac on March 02, 2009, 10:38:25 PM
Not to be a pain but its Centre College.

Not to be a pain but it's "it's"  ;)

(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2009, 02:39:41 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on March 03, 2009, 09:18:36 AM
Quote from: sac on March 02, 2009, 10:38:25 PM
Not to be a pain but its Centre College.

Not to be a pain but it's "it's"  ;)

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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu-fan on March 03, 2009, 05:14:45 PM
Touche, my friends, Touche!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 03, 2009, 05:16:29 PM
only in d3.......only in d3. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on March 04, 2009, 03:22:35 PM
 ??? ??? ??? No video for games this weekend's games at tiny Centre gym?  Can the NCAA mandate they be able to do it so those of us that cannot make it to "beautiful" Danville could watch?  Will they have audio?

2009 NCAA Division III Men's Basketball Tournament     
Rounds 1 & 2
- Hosted by Centre College
- Friday & Saturday, March 6-7
- Alumni Gymnasium, Danville, Ky.
 
Tournament Schedule   
Friday, March 6 (Round 1)
6 p.m.  Centre (23-4) vs. Averett (20-8)
8 p.m.  Transylvania (21-5) vs. Guilford (21-5)
 
Saturday, March 7 (Round 2)
7 p.m.  Game 1 winner vs. Game 2 winner
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2009, 05:55:39 PM
Kballr, check Lammersk's post on the SCAC board. Centre will have video for the D3 tourney games Friday and Saturday nights.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 06, 2009, 11:31:55 PM
Congratulations to the TU Pioneers for a fine season.   That squad's a team any coach would be proud to have ... Verax, in particular, is a player!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on August 09, 2009, 07:06:57 PM
I think there has been some big changes in the coaching ranks within the conference.  Long time assistant coaches Joe Neuman(Hanover) and Toby Carrigan (Transy) have both left to take high school coaching positions in Indiana. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on October 07, 2009, 09:27:25 PM
Not sure about Neuman but loss of Carrigan to HS head coaching ranks in Indiana will be felt by Pioneers.  Ky Cats Pause yearbook has Coach Lane saying this is "best recruiting class since moving back to D III".  If he is correct, could be some more wins in the Beck Center the next few years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 08, 2009, 10:06:41 AM
At the least, we can say that TU's incoming crop of freshmen is the largest of the five teams who have posted their rosters to date:



FreshmenXfers   Returning  Total
TU14-1630
FC12   1 soph922
DC 81 soph1120
BU 5-1419
MC 2-1214

TU's freshmen have some big shoes to fill with the departure of Cash, Jones, and Verax.  Also notable: Franklin's returning 9 include 8 sophomores, 1 junior, no seniors.

(edited to format as a table, and to add transfer counts).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 09, 2009, 08:54:27 AM
Great Holiday Tournament Matchups

Dec. 29 & 30    "Mose" Hole / Kiwanis Tournament at The College of Wooster   
   

12/29 Transylvania vs. Washington-St. Louis - 5:30    
12/29 Kalamazoo vs. Wooster - 7:30

12/30 Consolation - 5:30
12/30 Championship - 7:30
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 12, 2009, 08:31:32 PM
What is the outlook for AU?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 13, 2009, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: kyballr on October 07, 2009, 09:27:25 PM
Not sure about Neuman but loss of Carrigan to HS head coaching ranks in Indiana will be felt by Pioneers.  Ky Cats Pause yearbook has Coach Lane saying this is "best recruiting class since moving back to D III".  If he is correct, could be some more wins in the Beck Center the next few years. 

Always felt like Toby was a great assistant ... wonder if he'll be back in the college ranks in the future as a head coach ... think he'd be awesome.

I'd be surprise if Transy misses a beat though even without him ... Pioneers have been class of league. They'll be right there in the mix again this winter.

If Lane is saying this is his best recruiting class, that's not a good sign for the rest of the HCAC. Brian's had some really good ones.

Should be another exciting year in HCAC. Transy and Franklin lost some championship type seniors and Anderson lost some big-time players. Defiance has a lot back but watch out for Hanover in Miller's second year. Mitchell Meyer is a star and causes major problems in in the paint.

Practice gets started later this week and can't wait.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 15, 2009, 10:01:36 AM
http://www.heartlandconf.org/press_releases/2009-10/10_15_earlham

Welcome to the HCAC Earlham!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on October 18, 2009, 09:12:54 PM
what does Hanover have coming in as Freshman?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 19, 2009, 12:06:06 PM
Quote from: zander on October 18, 2009, 09:12:54 PM
what does Hanover have coming in as Freshman?

Hanover has often been one of the last teams to add freshmen to their roster, so at this point all we know is they are bringing back 9 players from last year--only Franklin (7 returnees) has a smaller group [tied (with Franklin) for the smallest group].  They lost two (Dane Coats and Dan O'Leary) to graduation and had two others not return (Brett Kies would have been a senior, Billy Pappas would have been a junior).

Franklin brought in 10 12 frosh and a transfer; it would seem that HC would be at a disadvantage if they don't have similar numbers ... although HC's roster size has been in the low teens for the past several years.

(edited to reflect a change in Franklin's posted roster.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 29, 2009, 04:55:26 PM
The preseason picks were posted yesterday.  Here they are, along with the polls and final standings from the past two seasons:


2009-10
2008-09
2007-08
TeamPlace / points (#1 votes)  Pick / Finish (record)  Pick / Finish (record)
Transylvania
1 / 70 (4)
4 / 1 (13-3)
3 / 2 (10-6)
Defiance
2 / 59 (2)
1 / 3 (12-4)
2 / 1 (13-3)
Anderson
3 / 56 (3)
2 / 5 (7-9)
7 / 2 (10-6)
Hanover
4 / 52
5 / 6 (6-10)
4 / 5 (9-7)
Franklin
5 / 48
3 / 2 (13-3)
1 / 2 (10-6)
Manchester
6 / 43
9 / 6 (6-10)
8 / 9 (2-14)
RHIT
7 / 34
6 / 8 (4-12)
9 / 6 (8-8)
Bluffton
8 / 26
8 / 4 (9-7)
5 / 7 (7-9)
MSJ
9 / 17
7 / 9 (2-14)
6 / 8 (3-13)

(edited to make the table easier to read)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 17, 2009, 01:08:59 PM
Six HCAC teams have already played a game, going a collective 4-2.  Bluffton and MSJ open tonight, while Franklin's first game is tomorrow.

As the conference's self-appointed poster of marginally useful statistics, here is a summary of rosters (as currently posted by each school):


School      FY+SO+JR+SR= Total
AU
5 + 4 + 2 + 3
= 14
BU
4 + 6 + 3 + 4
= 17
DC
8 + 5 + 0 + 6
= 19
FC
6 + 7 + 1 + 0
= 14
HC
13 + 3 + 2 + 1
= 19
MC
1 + 3 + 5 + 3
= 12
MSJ
8 + 4 + 5 + 4
= 21
RHIT
7 + 6 + 1 + 2
= 16
TU
12 + 7 + 3 + 3
= 25
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 20, 2009, 12:05:31 AM
not much talk on this league?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 20, 2009, 08:21:30 AM
Quote from: zander on November 20, 2009, 12:05:31 AM
not much talk on this league?

It's still early in the season, and historically, this board starts out pretty slow, and then progresses to ... well, slightly less slow.

Last year, the chatter picked up in early December, when the first conference games started.  Perhaps that will happen again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 20, 2009, 02:47:09 PM
The HCAC Football board is pretty active, but as Darryl noted the HCAC Men's basketball board is pretty slow as compared to some others.  It would seem that the HCAC has not had a team or teams of ongoing national stature that some of the other conferences have had.  The MIAA, CCIW, North Coast, UAA, OAC and others seem to have a couple of teams that get some national attention year in year out and that certainly helps spark interest among their fans and foes. It would be great to think that the HCAC could produce a team or two each year that could make a significant run for or actually compete for a national title.  The midwest and great lake regions are a meat grinder when tourney time comes around and the HCAC hasn't quite gotten over the hump in recent years.  There have certainly been some good teams win the league but they have come up a little short in the national tourney.  Maybe the 2009-10 season will be the year the HCAC Champion makes their mark!  
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 20, 2009, 06:06:46 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on November 20, 2009, 02:47:09 PM
The HCAC Football board is pretty active, but as Darryl noted the HCAC Men's basketball board is pretty slow as compared to some others.  It would seem that the HCAC has not had a team or teams of ongoing national stature that some of the other conferences have had.  The MIAA, CCIW, North Coast, UAA, OAC and others seem to have a couple of teams that get some national attention year in year out and that certainly helps spark interest among their fans and foes. It would be great to think that the HCAC could produce a team or two each year that could make a significant run for or actually compete for a national title.  The midwest and great lake regions are a meat grinder when tourney time comes around and the HCAC hasn't quite gotten over the hump in recent years.  There have certainly been some good teams win the league but they have come up a little short in the national tourney.  Maybe the 2009-10 season will be the year the HCAC Champion makes their mark!  
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 20, 2009, 06:10:36 PM
not sure what i did there. but being jv i guess i will figure this out eventually. Thanks for getting back to me... I look forward to following the HCAC this year. Little surprised Earlham got Franklin... just going on past years. Either Earlham has a good Freshman class or Franklin is down this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 20, 2009, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: zander on November 20, 2009, 06:10:36 PM
... Little surprised Earlham got Franklin... just going on past years. Either Earlham has a good Freshman class or Franklin is down this year.

That result surprised me, too -- especially after Earlham opened with a loss to Manchester.  It's probably too early to judge what that means; last year, Franklin had an early loss to a weak Trine team, but improved very quickly.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 23, 2009, 04:42:34 PM
The HCAC has started fairly well so far in nonconference action going 16-10.  Not saying they've played the strongest nonconference schedule other than Transy, but still a good way to start.  I was a little suprised about as well about Franklin's loss to Earlham but it happens, especially early in the season. 
I'm liking the way DC has started so far.  They have one more game to tune up before they start conference action at Anderson. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on November 25, 2009, 12:31:30 AM
Defiance College scored a big win against Ohio Wesleyan on Tuesday night to move to 4-0. The Jackets are playing without injured PG Mike Floyd (10th in nation with 6.8 asst/gm last season) but have gotten great play from freshmen Logan Wolfrum and Brandon Campbell in his spot.

A couple of other notes from DC --- The 4-0 start is the program's best since opening 7-0 in the 1973-1974 season...And senior forward Nick Sales scored 22 points against OWU to move to 994 for his career. Sales is looking to become DC's 43rd member of the 1,000-point club and its third player to accomplish the feat in the last three seasons after CJ Johnson in 2007-08 and Anthony Pettaway in 2008-09.

DC opens the HCAC slate on Dec. 2 at Anderson in what should be a very hotly contested game with the Ravens.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on November 25, 2009, 08:59:13 AM
Quote from: DC_SID on November 25, 2009, 12:31:30 AM
Defiance College scored a big win against Ohio Wesleyan on Tuesday night to move to 4-0. The Jackets are playing without injured PG Mike Floyd (10th in nation with 6.8 asst/gm last season) but have gotten great play from freshmen Logan Wolfrum and Brandon Campbell in his spot.

A couple of other notes from DC --- The 4-0 start is the program's best since opening 7-0 in the 1973-1974 season...And senior forward Nick Sales scored 22 points against OWU to move to 994 for his career. Sales is looking to become DC's 43rd member of the 1,000-point club and its third player to accomplish the feat in the last three seasons after CJ Johnson in 2007-08 and Anthony Pettaway in 2008-09.

DC opens the HCAC slate on Dec. 2 at Anderson in what should be a very hotly contested game with the Ravens.

Jackets sport tons of depth and they have over a handful of guys (Wolfrum, Sales, Armstrong, Brown, Tietje twins and Floyd once he comes back) that could lead them in scoring on any given night. Plus their playing without  the guy (Mike Floyd) that really makes them go.

The rookie point guard tandem of Logan Wolfrum and Brandon Campbell has been great thus far. Once Floyd's back it'll be interesting to see Floyd and Wolfrum on the court together.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on November 25, 2009, 04:21:34 PM
Big win for AU last night beating #17 UW Platteville at Bo Ryan Court in Wisconsin.  Hopefully a big pre-conf win can carry over to the conference season this year.  Looks like the team is not very deep but the top 6 or 7 can provide pretty balanced scoring.  Should be an interesting conference season this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 30, 2009, 08:39:52 PM
I posted this on the CCIW board and thought some here might be interested...

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The video has emerged.  Here is Sean Johnson's near-halfcourt buzzer beater yesterday vs Manchester...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPGoocOsc_4


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 02, 2009, 06:04:09 PM
conference games start tonight. who will be the winners?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 02, 2009, 10:35:59 PM
Anderson out scores Defiance 52-26 in the second half! Wow, looked promising for DC in the first. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 02, 2009, 10:39:27 PM
Yeah, AU hit 19 of 20 two-point field goals after the break and used runs of 15-3 and 23-0 to bury the Jackets. Big statement from the Ravens who are looking very impressive early on this season...

On DC's side, Nick Sales scored six to join the 1,000-point club. He is the 43rd player in DC history to do so and the third in the past three seasons, following CJ Johnson and Anthony Pettaway.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 03, 2009, 04:18:01 PM
Thanks for the info DC_SID!  Glad to see another great player joining the club.  In my years at DC I got to watch 3 players hit that mark.  Kahle (forgot how to spell it), Gavin Sever, and Frank Kill.  I actually don't remember if Eric Viney hit the mark his junior year or senior year.  He was a year behind.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 06, 2009, 12:06:23 AM
Defiance rolled past Rose-Hulman, 82-61, today in the home HCAC opener for the Jackets. DC never trailed (and havent faced a deficit to Rose in the past 95:58 of action spanning three victories) and led by as many as 31 (60-29) at one point. Overall a very impressive bounceback performance after the frustrating second half at Anderson on Wednesday.

Be very interesting to see if 5-1 is good enough to keep the Jackets in the top 40, or if the road loss to a very good AU squad (5-1, 2-0 HCAC) takes them out of the polls.

Also curious to see if DC, AU and Transylvania can all get votes in the next poll. The HCAC is off to a pretty strong start so far this season...

Up next for Defiance is another home game on Wednesday against a much improved Manchester squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 06, 2009, 02:57:12 AM
Regardless of how good Anderson is, DC will drop for their performance.  I'm glad to see they bounced back, but they'll have to go on a win streak to get back into the top 40.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on December 06, 2009, 01:07:24 PM
Quote from: DC_SID on December 06, 2009, 12:06:23 AM
Defiance rolled past Rose-Hulman, 82-61, today in the home HCAC opener for the Jackets. DC never trailed (and havent faced a deficit to Rose in the past 95:58 of action spanning three victories) and led by as many as 31 (60-29) at one point. Overall a very impressive bounceback performance after the frustrating second half at Anderson on Wednesday.

Be very interesting to see if 5-1 is good enough to keep the Jackets in the top 40, or if the road loss to a very good AU squad (5-1, 2-0 HCAC) takes them out of the polls.

Also curious to see if DC, AU and Transylvania can all get votes in the next poll. The HCAC is off to a pretty strong start so far this season...

Up next for Defiance is another home game on Wednesday against a much improved Manchester squad.

Big bounce back for Jackets. I know it's early but they really need to get a W against Manchester at home on Wednesday. Losing home league games are the kiss of death in the HCAC. 

Have to believe Anderson will be near the Top 25 with its start. They have a big win at UW Platteville and only loss was to a very good and No. 21 Augustana squad. HCAC is loaded this year. AU, DC, Manchester and Transy should all be gaining some attention. It took a half-court heave from Illinois Wesleyan to beat Manchester. HCAC has some high-profile victories this year with Transy beating Centre, AU over UW-Platteville, Hanover over Ohio Northern and Manchester's close loss to IWU is impressive as well.

It's going to be a rock fight in the HCAC this year. I think the last few years it's been a three-team race with DC, Transy and Franklin duking it out. But this year it's a different story.

The conference tournament is going to be a slugfest. Bluffton and Rose look like they're going to take their lumps this year, but the other seven teams are really closely matched. Hanover's at the bottom of the remaining seven teams but have already played two road league games at Transy and Manchester. The Panthers can beat anyone in this league with Mitchell Meyer and have a great non-league win at OAC power Ohio Northern. 

Transy and Franklin don't have the talent they've had in the past. But with coaches like Brian Lane and Kerry Prather, I won't count out either one. DC should be right in the mix again with the depth and talent they have this year. Anderson and Manchester are both really good as well. Plus MSJ is a lot better this season.

I'd be very surprised if the league champ doesn't have at least four league losses this year. I don't see something like the last couple of years where the league champion went 13-3. I think it'll be more like 06-07 (Franklin 11-5, Transy 10-6, Bluffton 10-6, DC 9-7, Hanover 9-7, MSJ 9-7).
The top 7 teams in the league this year are very evenly matched and it's going to be difficult to win a road game at any of their gyms. Whoever can win 5 or 6 road games and hold serve at home has a great shot of hosting the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 06, 2009, 02:54:11 PM
i couldn't agree more....a big week coming up for DC with a home tilt with an upstart Manchester team and then a trip to Hanover on Saturday....of course with the HCAC as deep and strong as it is this year, there just won't be too many cupcakes to be found.

buckle up hcac fans, its gonna be a wild one.

speaking of that, where are the rest of the HCAC backers on this board? it is pretty DC dominated right now!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on December 08, 2009, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: DC_SID on December 06, 2009, 02:54:11 PM
speaking of that, where are the rest of the HCAC backers on this board? it is pretty DC dominated right now!

Not much coming from anywhere else on this board. I'd be interested to get the take from someone that's familiar with Manchester.

Falling to 1-2 in the HCAC tomorrow night would not be a good start for  DC with a long road trip at a well-rested Hanover looming on Saturday. The Panthers gave DC fits last year by clunking up the last two games.

But first I think is a HUGE game against an up and coming Manchester team. DC has lots of senior leaders and this is a game they need to step up and show they're still a powerhouse in the league against the Spartans. Both teams are very deep with 7 or 8 guys that could go off on any given night.

Not to get too off topic but how about Augustana playing at Gonzaga on Wednesday night? What a great experience for Augie against a major D-1 power. Then Augie returns to play at No. 1 Wash. U on Saturday before playing a really good 5-1 Chicago team next week. Like someone mentioned on the CCIW board, I think it's save to say that's the toughest stretch for a D-3 school EVER!!!!!! Oh yeah, Augie also plays UW-Whitewater on Dec. 22. after playing Monmouth.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 08, 2009, 01:07:25 PM
I think DC is going to be in a lot of trouble if they drop either Wednesday's or Saturday's game.  Like it was mentioned the conference is going to be a bunch of battles with only one team winning the war at the end.  DC is going to need consistent play from their experience players.  These up and down nights waiting for someone else to step up isn't going to work.  The coach can't spend nights trying to find lineups that work.  Hopefully once Floyd gets back into bball shape he will control the offense and things will really take off.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 08, 2009, 10:55:52 PM
Two things..

1-Good for the HCAC to see Manchester and Anderson getting votes now, which makes four teams from the league to do so already this season (DC and Transy being the others).

2-It was a very interesting decision by Coach Brum to bring Floyd off the bench but it worked fine against Rose. With 10 players all playing 20-25 minutes, Floyd with the 'second team' gives the reserves a playmaker and a go to guy....with the starting unit having plenty of scoring options with Sales, AB and Wolfrum all on the court. It just allows them to keep the offense clicking for all 40 minutes and I'm very curious to see how it plays out Wednesday night against Manchester in the showdown between the league's top two scoring teams. Catch the action via the free DC webcast (www.defianceathletics.com/video). Tip starts at 8:00 pm, with the ladies playing at 6:00 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2009, 11:16:02 PM
DC_SID,

Not to nitpick, but with only 200 minutes available (5X40), it is impossible to have 10 players all play 20-25 minutes. :P

Are you guys playing by the rules? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 08, 2009, 11:45:13 PM
ha, good point. looking back at the Rose-Hulman box score, DC had 10 players between 14 and 21 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 09, 2009, 03:47:43 PM
How is Franklin looking this year?
Strengths?
Weaknesses?
Thanks to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 09, 2009, 11:47:24 PM
Not really sure about Franklin yet. I know FC is only 3-5 and lost a two-point game to Transylvania tonight at home. They lost that dynamic guard combo of Redman and Marshall to graduation, but will still be dangerous due to sophomore post player Will Conoley's 21.0 ppg. The Grizzlies are just one of those programs you assume will get it figured out and be right there come tourney time.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 09, 2009, 11:52:13 PM
Wow, what a game tonight inside DC's Karl H. Weaner Community Center, as the Jackets scored a 95-82 thriller against No. 42 Manchester. It ultimately came down to Defiance's depth, as DC outscored the Spartans, 53-19 off the bench. Mike Floyd had 17 points and five helpers off the bench, but no reserve was bigger than Heath Armstrong who score 15 points in the final 3:02, including 11-straight from the 3:02 to the 1:51 marks of the second half. Armstrong canned three-straight trifectas in the span of 39 seconds to turn a 73-70 DC edge into an 84-70 cushion. This Yellow Jacket team has its flaws, but man is it deep, athletic and explosive. Great game.

BTW - Really impressed with Manchester. They are for real this year and have really got that program back on track in a hurry.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RO_24 on December 10, 2009, 08:26:42 AM
Darryl - Hope all is well.

What is going on up in Beaverland this season?  I've been following their games online, and it looks to be a struggle thusfar.

Take care,

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on December 10, 2009, 09:17:21 AM
Quote from: DC_SID on December 09, 2009, 11:52:13 PM
Wow, what a game tonight inside DC's Karl H. Weaner Community Center, as the Jackets scored a 95-82 thriller against No. 42 Manchester. It ultimately came down to Defiance's depth, as DC outscored the Spartans, 53-19 off the bench. Mike Floyd had 17 points and five helpers off the bench, but no reserve was bigger than Heath Armstrong who score 15 points in the final 3:02, including 11-straight from the 3:02 to the 1:51 marks of the second half. Armstrong canned three-straight trifectas in the span of 39 seconds to turn a 73-70 DC edge into an 84-70 cushion. This Yellow Jacket team has its flaws, but man is it deep, athletic and explosive. Great game.

BTW - Really impressed with Manchester. They are for real this year and have really got that program back on track in a hurry.

We've talked all year about the plethora of weapons DC has and Wednesday was no different. Armstrong busted out of an early-season shooting slump while Floyd, Sales and Wolfrum also scored double figures. Wolfrum had some really big buckets at big moments last night and really was efficient with 17 points. Plus freshman rookie Brandon Campbell gave some great minutes along with the Tietje boys again. Kyle and Kevin really feed off of each other when in the game together and run the court really well. They're hard to contain with the way Floyd can push the ball up the court. Brandon is starting to get used to the college game and is contributing a lot.

Using the hockey line approach with two different groups is fun to watch. Both groups can really go hard and run the floor for 5 minutes or so knowing that a breather is coming. Now with Floyd back, there's another concern on opposing team's scouting reports.

I too was impressed with Manchester. They only have a couple seniors but their juniors are almost like seniors since they've been playing for three years. Some may be surprised by Manchester but playing Illinois Wesleylan reinforced the fact they'll be a force to be reckoned with this year. The Spartans are much like DC with their depth and scoring options they possess.

Jackets have a chance to go 3-1 in the first wave of the league games at Hanover on Saturday. Hanover is 0-2 but has lost at two tough HCAC venues, Transy and Manchester. Schedule has not been kind to Jon Miller's crew. The Panthers scare me a little bit. They've had a full week to prepare being off Wednesday and of course Miller knows DC's guys and they have Mitchell Meyer. They also beat ONU in Ada and gave DC fits last year in the final two games after DC blew them out earlier in the season. DC's experience and depth should be the difference however.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on December 10, 2009, 04:00:15 PM
I'll try to be the AU rep for the year, I just don't get on here much.  The Ravens have been playing well despite losing some key players from last years team that were expected to be big contributors this year.  It seems like they might be better off with the guys that have stuck around despite losing some very talented guys.  I haven't had the chance to see them yet this year, just caught a couple of games on the internet but this sounds like the most balanced team AU has had since the early 2000's.  Should be an interesting conf season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 11, 2009, 03:56:06 PM
Anderson has shown the most promise so far in the HCAC.  I still think it could be 4-5 teams fighting for the top seed at the end of the regular season.  Regardless of who wins the tournament, I see that team representing the HCAC very well.  The only problem is that the team that gets in will probably have around 6-7 losses and may put them against a tougher team to start the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on December 12, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
I said Thursday that Hanover scared me today and I was right. Knowing Coach Miller and how they played DC the last two games last year, I knew it would be a battle.

Pitiful shooting day for DC today, 31 percent overall and 3-for-25 behind the arc. Thought DC had some good looks but they just wouldn't drop and it was like that for everyone of the Jackets. The final 10 minutes of the game was a free-throw fest (75 charity tosses combined for the day with most in the second 20), not fun to watch. Jackets fell behind 41-29 in the first six minutes of the second half and just couldn't recover. They got to within a bucket on several occasions and one late but never got over the hump. They really fought and clawed with their press after going down a dozen but it was too much to overcome.

I think it's safe to say it's a disappointing 2-2 start to the league season with two losses on the road. At Anderson, it took an 80-percent shooting second half for AU and today it took an awful shooting display for the Jackets to lose. Those are DC's two worst showing this year and they paid for them with an L.

Would've been nice to steal one today shooting so poorly. Had DC shot it remotely well they would've likely won comfortably but that's the way it goes in the HCAC on the road sometimes.

Surprised to see Rose beat Transy today and Franklin barely survived at Founders. Anderson adds another huge win to its resume by clobbering Wittenberg by 17. Ravens also beat UW-Platteville earlier this year and played Augustana tough. AU has to be  the league favorite with what they've done the first month of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 12, 2009, 11:00:52 PM
funny thing is, DC hit 14-of-26 threes last year at Hanover in a 103-78 thumping and then go down there this year and shoot 3-of-25.

can either be frustrated with a less than stellar 2-2 league start for DC, or encouraged that it took two pretty flukish performances (AU hitting 19-20 2pt shots in 2nd half, and DC goin 3-25 downtown today) to get those 2 losses.

if the Jackets can get a little more steady as the year progresses, they will be ok...but it looks like they'll have some work cut out to be in position to host the tourney come Feb. 26 as these 2 early setbacks will be a tough hole to climb out of.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on December 12, 2009, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: DC_SID on December 12, 2009, 11:00:52 PM


if the Jackets can get a little more steady as the year progresses, they will be ok...but it looks like they'll have some work cut out to be in position to host the tourney come Feb. 26 as these 2 early setbacks will be a tough hole to climb out of.

DC is going to be in the mix but they have to find a way to play better when they hop on the bus if they want to host the HCAC Tourney. You're exactly right about both the games they lost being pretty crazy in regards to Anderson scoring every trip down the court in the second half and the 3-for-25 performance from behind the arc at HC :o. Would be hard to fathom those kind of scenarios continuing on the road. But as Bill Parcels says, you are what you're record is and right now DC is .500 in the league :-\.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 15, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
Anderson climbs to #29 in the week 3 polls...and I'd argue that they should be higher. The Ravens have flat out smacked some good teams recently, winning the last four by an average of over 16 points...two of those were Defiance and Wittenburg. Ravens are 7-1 with the only loss coming in a close game at #18 Augustana.

I'm hoping AU is top-25 come Jan. 27 when Defiance hosts the Ravens. That'd be a fun environment at the Karl H. Weaner Community Center!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 16, 2009, 01:12:36 PM
Congrats to Anderson so far.  They have shown to be the front runner early in the season.  I'm hoping they accurate DC team shows up when they get a second chance against Anderson. 
So far, I'm not to confident in DC taking charge of the HCAC.  They have been inconsistent IMO in HCAC action and need to be able to dominate the remainder of their conference play to host the tourney.  They play Transy & MSJ away and then Franklin at home when they get back into HCAC play.  Hopefully they'll have things running at full throttle then.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 29, 2009, 10:08:44 PM
Well I was going to recap DC's 114-51 dismantling of OSU-Lima on Tuesday night but the story of the night in the HCAC - and all of D3 for that matter - has to be Transylvania taking down #1 Washington 73-69 in a huge victory for the Heartland Conference. Congrats and huge props to the Pioneers on the big win.

On the side note, the HCAC will have a shot at another impressive non-conference victory when DC hosts DePauw for the P&G Tournament Championship on Wednesday at Defiance. Should be a good battle between a pair of 8-2 squads.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 30, 2009, 12:07:54 AM
This should gauge how good DC really is tomorrow.  Especially because they have Trany when they get back from Salem to restart conference action.  Trany on top of beating the #1team in DIII has been playing well (except the freak ot loss to RHIT).  DC needs to take care of business the rest of the P&G tourney and the Domino's too. 
Glad to see a lot of guys got some minutes for DC last night.  I hope they don't let the W go to their heads beating a very subpar team.  Hopefully DC's main guys will come to play with fresh legs.  Depauw played a tough one so hopefully they won't have the fresh legs and DC can use that to their advantage.  Anyways, I guess we'll see by the end of today.
Congrats to Transy and hopefully they take down Wooster as well.  Then they'll have a week break that cools them off and DC will come in and knock them down a few notches. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on December 30, 2009, 09:42:56 AM
Hats off to Transy.  They played great perimeter defense.  They shot the ball very well and they controlled the tempo.  WashU was never able to get a flow going offensively.  The game was pretty physical but not rockem' sockem' robots.  Having another body down low to help Alex Toth might have helped, but the key to the game was Transy's perimeter shooting, they never missed a shot when they needed to either stop a WashU rally or maintain one of their own. I honestly thought WashU looked pretty sluggish in the first half and not nearly as crisp as they certainly can be.  Spencer Gay was the only bright spot for most of the game.  Transy's defense took away other options for large chunks of the game.  Fifteen turnovers by the Bears seemed more critical than the same number by Transy because WashU was trying to battle back so the TO's become magnified.  Transy maintained great composure as WashU tried to mount a comeback late.  I will be interested in the Transy vs. Anderson matchup in the HCAC. 

Go Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on December 30, 2009, 09:58:49 AM
Wow, Transy pulling a shocker of immense proportions over the two-time defending champions.  :o I guess I'm surprised that TU pulled it off with some of the guys they lost to graduation but not surprised in the same sense. The HCAC has some big-time wins this season and none will likely be bigger than what Brian Lane's crew did last night.

DC and DePauw should be a slugfest tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 30, 2009, 11:03:26 PM
Defiance added to the impressive list of the HCAC's non-conference victories with a nice 89-75 win against DePauw on Wednesday for DC's 19th P&G Tourney title in 35 years.  It was vintage Mike Floyd in this one, as he dished out 13 assists and had only two turnovers. Kyle Tietje also continued to blossom, hitting 10-of-12 for a career high 20 points, while Nick Sales had 23, Heath Armstrong 14 and Anthony Brown 14. So many weapons on the Jackets and this key win bumps them to 9-2.

Another tourney aways at Roanoke this weekend and then back to the HCAC with a pair of road tests right out of the gates. At Transy and at MSJ will really test DC and the Jackets absolutely can't afford to go 0-2 and fall to 2-4 in league play...gotta at least split and that won't be easy!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 03, 2010, 11:28:39 PM
Way to start the New Year DC!  Looking forward to seeing how DC plays once they get back into HCAC action.  Big game at Transy Wednesday!  DC really has had a lot of different guys step up and play when others are struggling.  Hopefully that will continue, but they need to put teams away.  Both Ferrum and OWU should not have been close.  They let Ferrum get back into the game and OWU get a early lead.  That won't work in the HCAC, there are too many good teams that will take advantage of that. 
How about Anderson continuing to show that they are a top notch team.  A lot of top 25 teams took a loss over the holidays while Anderson took advantage of a not so tough nonconference schedule.  It will be nice to see them IMO, in the top 20 the next poll.  I look forward to the next time DC gets a chance to play them again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 05, 2010, 02:27:22 AM
DC's recent win streak has got them back in the national poll at #38. A win at Transylvania could be a turning point for the Jackets. It's going to be a huge game on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, Anderson climbs to #18. What a good start for the HCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 02:51:21 AM
Not to be picky, but you're only in the Top 25 poll when you're in the top 25. There is no ranking below 25, just others receiving votes.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 05, 2010, 03:14:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 02:51:21 AM
Not to be picky, but you're only in the Top 25 poll when you're in the top 25. There is no ranking below 25, just others receiving votes.

Perhaps the poster picked up the idea of referring to a team ranked below #25 after reading several D3Hoops posts identifying teams included in the 'others receiving votes'
by their "ranking" relative to how many votes they got in the poll. Its a fairly frequent occurrence.

School web sites also frequently refer to their teams "ranking" in this manner. For one, Carthage of the CCIW often mentions the "35th ranked Redmen" according to how many votes the team received in the latest poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 05, 2010, 12:07:45 PM
Regardless, it is nice to see DC getting some votes while Anderson climbed to 18th.  Hopefully DC can continue their streak till January 27th (my daughter's first bday!!! ;D), when DC and AC meet again.  I would like to see AC continue to climb the pulls, but DC needs them to drop at least one and beat them on the 27th to hopefully even things up in the HCAC standings.  DC of course would still need to win out all of their games.

Pat, you can be picky all you want.  None of this would be possible if you didn't get the ball rolling.  Plus it would be boring if people didn't speak up and counter other people's posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 05, 2010, 12:33:27 PM
Pat -  I definitely wasn't trying to speak out of line and I do understand a significant difference between just getting votes and actually being in the top 25. However, it is certainly noteworthy for a team to get votes and something that should be mentioned, as it is good for this poll, the institution and the conference. I will be more careful in the future to avoid any misleading comments.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: AndOne on January 05, 2010, 03:14:14 AM
School web sites also frequently refer to their teams "ranking" in this manner. For one, Carthage of the CCIW often mentions the "35th ranked Redmen" according to how many votes the team received in the latest poll.

That doesn't mean it's right.

DC -- no worries, just figured I need to set the record straight once in a while. Definitely want people to mention they are receiving votes. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2010, 04:21:31 PM
FWIW, personally, my 'compromise' solution is to put any 'ranking' below 25th in brackets - clearly separating it from 'top 25', yet still allowing that [#26] is much 'better' than [#38].
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 06, 2010, 09:12:09 AM
Wow, well done by all!  I've noticed that things go much smoother with less arguing on the bball boards vs. the fball boards.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 06, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
Important game tonight at the Beck Center. The league schedule is a bit heavy at the beginning for the Jackets ... at Anderson, at Hanover, at Transy, at MSJ. All four are really good this year. The good news for DC is they're getting some rather rough road trips out of the way early, let's hope they don't dig too deep a hole to climb out of. Another concern is all the traveling with them just coming back from a 10-hour bus ride from Virginia, now back on the road to Lexington and back on 75 on Saturday at the Mount. Couple Ws this week and then I think we can start talking about a spot in the Top 25 being 13-2.

Transy has been tough to figure out this year. Head scratcher losing to Rose and then they turn around and beat Wash. U    ???    DC has fared very poorly down there over the years and my only memory of DC coming back home with a W from Lexington was two years ago when the Jackets blitzed TU by like 30 and I think some crazy things happened that day. I'd say flip a coin for tonight's game. The Weaner Center would be a zoo if both DC and AU are ranked for their game later this month.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 06, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Best of luck to the Jackets this evening in bluegrass country - post game "Hot Browns all 'round" though some Hall's fried banana peppers might ward of chill more effectively.  ;)  Sledding down 75 again, Saturday?  Give the Delphi oracle and the Lions something to remember, guys!  Snow showers for ATL tomorrow  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 06, 2010, 06:43:50 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on January 06, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Best of luck to the Jackets this evening in bluegrass country - post game "Hot Browns all 'round" though some Hall's fried banana peppers might ward of chill more effectively.  ;)  Sledding down 75 again, Saturday?  Give the Delphi oracle and the Lions something to remember, guys!  Snow showers for ATL tomorrow  >:(

Robert, what's been going on man? Enjoy the fluffy stuff in Hot-Lanta.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 06, 2010, 09:09:15 PM
More disappointment on the road for DC    :(  I know they've played at three really tough venues, but the great ones find a way and for whatever reason, they're not getting it done. Not being able to hold a 12-point lead is also frustrating. Two turnovers, during a span of 15 seconds, in the final minute were killers with DC leading. Tonight was a great chance to steal one on the road with a 12-point second half lead. Being 2-3 in the league is not exactly a great start with another one coming up at the Mount on Saturday. Certainly are going to have to win out to have any chance of winning the regular season crown. That's a tall task with the parity in the league this season.

Transy continues to impress year after year. I thought they'd maybe be down this year losing the HCAC player of the year, but beating the No. 1 team in the nation and a 4-1 start in the league pretty much puts the kibosh on my preseason thought. Brian Lane's program has been the class of the HCAC and maybe it'll stay that way this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 07, 2010, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on January 06, 2010, 09:09:15 PM
More disappointment on the road for DC    :(  I know they've played at three really tough venues, but the great ones find a way and for whatever reason, they're not getting it done. Not being able to hold a 12-point lead is also frustrating. Two turnovers, during a span of 15 seconds, in the final minute were killers with DC leading. 

Concentration on paper training and fetch with the new canine may be less frustrating, JB.  ;)  On the other hand, maybe threat of a rolled up newspaper and milkbone rewards might be an optional, motivational tool for closing out the games?  :D

"You know, in the old days, when a young man was a strong man;
All the people- - They stepped back, when a young man walked by." 

                                                                  - Mose Allison
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 07, 2010, 08:54:31 AM
Man!  8 free throws, 18 turnovers and terrible shooting.  It always hard to determine what really went wrong when you are not at the game, but to have a 12 point lead and to put up stats like DC and lose. I know Transy shot poorly too, but they have 20 free throws, 14 of them in the second.  I looks to me one team was more aggressive than the other and that was the difference.  Again I didn't see the game but 3 free throws (DC) to 14 (TC) in the second tells me one coach told his team to take the ball to the hole while the other said keep shooting and hopefully well start making them IMO.  I also do know that DC had more points in the paint.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 07, 2010, 11:26:25 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2010, 04:21:31 PM
FWIW, personally, my 'compromise' solution is to put any 'ranking' below 25th in brackets - clearly separating it from 'top 25', yet still allowing that [#26] is much 'better' than [#38].

That's not necessarily the case, though.  #26 is going to have rec'd lots of votes from many voters, so that isn't the best example... and probably, the 26th team rec'ing votes is better but let's say [#38] and [#40].  Does this mean that #38 is better than #40?  I'm not sure that's 100% accurate.

In this most recent poll, Defiance is [#38] with 7 poll points and William Patterson is [#40] with 5.  Likely, these teams were slotted at the very botton (#24 or #25) of voters' ballots.  But just because 7 said Defiance was #25 and only 5 said Willy Pat was #25 doesn't mean that one is better than the other.  There's a possibility that the other 18 voters have Defiance at, say, 35th or 40th, and the other 20 voters have Willy Pat at 26th.

That's the problem with ascribing place value to teams that have just rec'd votes... we don't have the full cadre of voters' opinion on each of these teams.

Now, to be sure, each of the top vote-getting teams do not receive votes from each voter... (that's how we even have "ORV" teams).  But short of having each voter rank teams until the 25 top vote-getting teams all received votes from each voter, this is the simplest way to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 07, 2010, 01:31:38 PM
Yes the FT disparity is glaring on the box score but several of those FT's came in the final minute when DC kept turning the ball over and having to foul to prevent a layup and/or to stop the clock. I will say that there were definitely moments during the game that DC's offense was very 'stand still' and there just wasn't much movement. Transy really did a nice job breaking the press and controlling the tempo by limiting DC's transition offense. The Jackets have plenty of weapons to play a half court game and succeed, it just didn't work last night with all the turnovers in crucial spots. DC also had some very poor shot selection. Not going to name names there but hopefully that can be addressed.

On a side note - TU's Brandon Rash didn't get to play much due to fouls, but he looks like he could be a very special talent in the HCAC. Maybe it was just a good game for him? But just based on 15-20 minutes, he looks like a keeper.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 08, 2010, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: DC_SID on January 07, 2010, 01:31:38 PM
Yes the FT disparity is glaring on the box score but several of those FT's came in the final minute when DC kept turning the ball over and having to foul to prevent a layup and/or to stop the clock. I will say that there were definitely moments during the game that DC's offense was very 'stand still' and there just wasn't much movement. Transy really did a nice job breaking the press and controlling the tempo by limiting DC's transition offense. The Jackets have plenty of weapons to play a half court game and succeed, it just didn't work last night with all the turnovers in crucial spots. DC also had some very poor shot selection. Not going to name names there but hopefully that can be addressed.

On a side note - TU's Brandon Rash didn't get to play much due to fouls, but he looks like he could be a very special talent in the HCAC. Maybe it was just a good game for him? But just based on 15-20 minutes, he looks like a keeper.



It always infuriates me when fans  think because there was a big disparity in foul shots that one team was getting the whistles and the other wasn't. The team that's more aggressive will get to march to the charity line more often and Wednesday, Transy was more aggressive. Officials don't say hey, that team's shot 10 more freebies, let's even it up.

Transy's M.O. over the years for beating DC has been changing the tenor of the game to a grind it out, half-court affair. They succeeded again Wednesday. Coach Lane knows they can't run with DC for 40 minutes, case in point the 2007 game at Transy when DC won by like 40 running and gunning. Sure, DC can play a halfcourt game but it seems like it makes them uncomfortable and the turnovers prove that. Most league games are slow, half-court games since teams know each other so well. Jackets have to figure out how to win those games.

Tim Tierney's is just another in a long line of Transy vets that seem haunt the Jackets each year. I remember watching Nick Feagan take over when it mattered the most against DC his senior year in all three games that year. Especially in the HCAC championship game at Franklin. He was a special player when the game was on the line ... he was what you call clutch. I always got so frustrated watching him just do whatever he wanted, even when DC was trying its hardest to stop him. He was just unstoppable. Throw Joey Searle, Mark 'let it' Baine, Joey Verax and now Tierney and couple other guys I can't remember names into that same category as Jacket Killers. Coach Lane seems to have one every year down there.

Totally agree with your assessment of Brandon Rash. He might just be the next Jacket Killer. Loved watching him Wednesday night. The scary thing is he's just going to keep getting better.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 08, 2010, 11:41:19 AM
A look at Saturday's HCAC slate, which features a gem of a game with Anderson going to Transylvania. AU has been at home for what seems like the entire season and TU is playing really well at the moment, so very interested to see how this one plays out. Also torn because I like having an HCAC school in the top 20, but as a DC fan, we need AU to lose a few games.

Anderson at Transylvania - Its a close one, but I think Anderson's size will excel if Transy tries to slow it down, so I'm taking the Ravens to improve to 5-0 in the league and take a commanding 2 game lead over the field.

Manchester at Franklin - I haven't seen Franklin yet and I was impressed with Manchester, but I just have a hunch Franklin defends its home court in this one and stays in the hunt by moving to 3-2.

Bluffton at Rose-Hulman - A clash between the bottom two teams in the league, but I don't see Bluffton getting its first win of the season on the road. Give me Rose-Hulman moving to 2-3.

I also think the Defiance at MSJ game will be right there with the AU/TU contest as the best of the day and I view it as a coin flip right now. Being a DC homer, I'll just stick to picking the non-Defiance games, but the Jackets really need this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 08, 2010, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: DC_SID on January 08, 2010, 11:41:19 AM
A look at Saturday's HCAC slate, which features a gem of a game with Anderson going to Transylvania. AU has been at home for what seems like the entire season and TU is playing really well at the moment, so very interested to see how this one plays out. Also torn because I like having an HCAC school in the top 20, but as a DC fan, we need AU to lose a few games.

Anderson at Transylvania - Its a close one, but I think Anderson's size will excel if Transy tries to slow it down, so I'm taking the Ravens to improve to 5-0 in the league and take a commanding 2 game lead over the field.

Manchester at Franklin - I haven't seen Franklin yet and I was impressed with Manchester, but I just have a hunch Franklin defends its home court in this one and stays in the hunt by moving to 3-2.

Bluffton at Rose-Hulman - A clash between the bottom two teams in the league, but I don't see Bluffton getting its first win of the season on the road. Give me Rose-Hulman moving to 2-3.

I also think the Defiance at MSJ game will be right there with the AU/TU contest as the best of the day and I view it as a coin flip right now. Being a DC homer, I'll just stick to picking the non-Defiance games, but the Jackets really need this one.

TU finds a way to knocke off another top 20 team against Andy.

I'll take Franklin as well to defend its home planks.

Give me RHIT on the Indiana-Illinois border to keep the Beavers winless.

As much as I'd like to think DC will take down MSJ, the western edge of the Natti has been a tough place for the Jackets to win as well and considering DC's road woes, this one's a toss up in Delhi.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 09, 2010, 08:59:07 AM
Wow -- I had not bothered to check this board since early December because I had not been notified (until today) that there were any postings.  (Maybe I just missed the notification a month ago?)  Turns out things are busier here than ever.

I'm not sure how much I would have been inclined to contribute; right now, I'm mostly feeling jealous of any teams with single digits in the "L" column.

I'll go with Transy and Franklin at home, but I continue to live in the hope that the Beavers will finally put together a whole game and pick up a win.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 09, 2010, 06:31:13 PM
Well big statement wins today for three HCAC squads, as Defiance, Manchester and Anderson all knotched big road victories. Rose-Hulman's win over Bluffton came at home but puts the Engineers rights in the mix at 2-3. If I have my standings correct, we've got AU all alone at top and Bluffton all alone at the bottom with the other seven teams all having 2 or 3 league losses.

Anderson 4-0
Transylvania 4-2
Manchester 3-2
Hanover 3-2
Defiance 3-3
Mt. St. Joseph 2-3
Rose-Hulman 2-3
Franklin 2-3
Bluffton 0-6

I suspect this will sort itself out in the next couple of weeks, but this has the potential to be a thrilling race down the stretch...at least for positions 2-6 in the HCAC Tourney. Right now it sure looks like everyone should pencil in a trip to Anderson for the HCAC Tourney (jinx alert!)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 09, 2010, 07:01:42 PM
Pack your bags for Anderson. The Ravens are 5-0 with a two-game lead with 11 left. Already won at Transy, can't imagine they'd lose more than two the rest of the way. Likely if they continue at this pace, the Ravens will be receiving an at-large bid and won't even need to win the league tournament to go dancing.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on January 09, 2010, 10:57:26 PM
Anderson continues to roll after shooting 63% for the game.  They have shot the ball incredibly well all year, especially in conference.  It's hard to imagine they can keep up that kind of pace but to put on that kind of performance at Transy is very impressive.  I think the most encouraging thing about AU is that they have won some tough, low scoring games but have also been able to put some big time points on the board (59 I think in the 2nd half today) when they needed too.  How did everybody else look today?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 10, 2010, 12:34:11 AM
I don't know who in the HCAC will be the team to take down Anderson?  They've beat some pretty good teams (Witt, UWP)  and don't seem to be slowing down.  They've been averaging 16.6 point margin of victory since their loss to Augustana and their closest win was by 9 during their current win streak.  I agree with DC_SID that the #2 spot is still up for grabs. 
If DC can be more consistent and hold onto their leads they could do some damage the rest of conference action.  They have Transy, Anderson,  & Hanover at home after losing on the road to all three of them.  Regardless of those three, they still have to play at Manchester & RHIT at their place and Franklin twice.  It's still nice that they have 4 of their last ten games on the road.
Transy has a tough road the rest of the way through.  After MSJ they have a four game road trip with one being a non-conference game against a good Maryville team; two games against Manchester, and have to travel to DC and AC as well.  Overall, 7 of their last 11 on the road.
Manchester has two games each against Anderson and Transy, and have to travel to Hanover too.  I don't see them fairing very well with those five games, plus they still have DC to play as well.
Hanover has to play Anderson twice, travel to DC, and still have games against Transy and Manchester at their place.
I'm still not counting out RHIT, MSJ, or Franklin, but I think that DC, Transy, MC, or HC have the best shot at taking the #2 seed when it comes tournament time IMO.  Regardless, I think that the HCAC has done very well for themselves making noise in DIII bball this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 10, 2010, 12:13:04 PM
Good weekend - Z-pack has beaten down the African crud, 'Bash swept two conference foes in short order, and best of all, Defiance seems to have relieved herself of the curse of the visitor venues.  ;D  All needed now is for the mercury to rise above freezing, melt the road ice, and allow escape from the neighborhood.   ;)

Great job, Jackets.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 11, 2010, 06:51:26 AM
Let's see if the Jackets can reel off some league victories here before Anderson comes to town on Jan. 27. with Franklin, Bluffton and RHIT on the slate. The schedule is a lot more favorable now, but the losses  to Transy and Hanover I think is going to really ruin any hopes of catching Anderson. Have to win out to have a realistic chance of winning the regular season crown and that's going to be tough with AU up three games.

Would be nice for DC if Anderson would drop a couple of games between now and the game here at DC with three of its four games on the road till then. The Ravens 19-point W at TU was very impressive. Anderson has been unstoppable and shooting over 50 percent. I'd love to see the HCAC get a couple teams in the NCAA Tourney with AU likely having locked up an automatic berth the way it's playing. Thing is, someone will have to beat them in the HCAC Tournament to get another team in.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 11, 2010, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on January 10, 2010, 12:13:04 PM
Good weekend - Z-pack has beaten down the African crud, 'Bash swept two conference foes in short order, and best of all, Defiance seems to have relieved herself of the curse of the visitor venues.  ;D  All needed now is for the mercury to rise above freezing, melt the road ice, and allow escape from the neighborhood.   ;)

Great job, Jackets.

Hey now, you know this an HCAC board cave?     ;)   We can't have any Bash talk on here ... somebody might get grumpy because no one gives a whit about the Bash talk over here.    ;D

Yep, big win for Jackets in Delhi on Saturday. Let's hope they get it rolling now.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 11, 2010, 10:39:57 AM
Pick'em time again for whoever wants to join. DC SID took a one game edge on me with the Anderson win over Transy but I'll be top dog after this week's festivities.

Wednesday's slate

MSJ at Transy: Pioneers bounce back from rough second half against Anderson on Saturday.

Bluffton at Manchester: Spartans roll past the winless Beavers.

Anderson at RHIT: Engineers hang around for 20 minutes but the Ravens win 10th straight.

Hanover at Franklin: Should be a good one with Will Conoley back for the Grizz and this being a big rivalry in the Hoosier State: Jon Miller's Panthers claw their way to big road victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 11, 2010, 11:58:30 AM
I'll put my 2-1 record on the line...

I see two fun games on the slate for Wednesday with MSJ@TU and HC@FC being potential toss ups.

Bluffton at Manchester - I am on the Manchester bandwagon - especially after going to Franklin and winning - and I am not going against them here. Spartans roll at home over the winless Beavers.

Anderson at Rose-Hulman - Rose is coming off a nice win on Saturday but I can't see the Engineers beating this Anderson squad. I'll take the Ravens but it might not be as lopsided as you'd think, especially on the R-H planks.

Hanover at Franklin - This is could be a coin flip and I'd tend to go with the home squad....but, I think Meyer can win the battle with Conoley and I'll take Hanover's guards as well. Give me the Panthers with a nice, low-scoring road victory.

Mount St. Joseph at Transylvania - The Pioneers couldn't keep pace with Anderson on Saturday, but are 5-1 at home this season and always play well on their own hardwood. MSJ is much improved but only 2-5 in last 7 and 1-3 on the road. Pioneers stay in the hunt with a win.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 11, 2010, 02:00:58 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on January 11, 2010, 09:05:11 AM


Hey now, you know this an HCAC board cave?     ;)   We can't have any Bash talk on here ... somebody might get grumpy because no one gives a whit about the Bash talk over here.    ;D

Yep, big win for Jackets in Delhi on Saturday. Let's hope they get it rolling now.

Brain flatulence reigns:  mistakenly thought this was a status update on Face Book.  :D

An old bear can't $h*t in the Great Black Swamp anymore, either? - so much for my antiquated, crate training.  No wonder being relegated to Africa...  ;D ;D ;D ;) 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 13, 2010, 02:37:36 PM
Anxious to see the Hanover vs. Franklin game tonight---What type of student attendance does this rivalry usually bring?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 13, 2010, 09:50:40 PM
Wow a good night in the HCAC. And I'd note that I called 3 of the 4 games to improve to 7-2.

The surprise of the night wasn't that Transylvania won at home over MSJ, but that they throttled the Lions by almost 30 (92-63). Barrett Meyer drained his first 8 treys and hit 11 of 12 on the night for 33 points. Pioneers shot nearly 70% as a team and TU isn't losing at home with those stats.

Rose-Hulman fought hard in a 68-65 loss to Anderson and had three chances to tie the game in the final 25 seconds but couldn't get it done. The Ravens dodged one tonight and move to 14-1 overall and 6-0 in the league.

Mitch Schaefer had a big night for Manchester, hitting 5 threes to help the Spartans overcome an ugly showing at home against Bluffton. MC had 23 turnovers but came out with the 70-62 victory.

Not positive on the Hanover/Franklin outcome as the live stats locked up, but Franklin was up eight points late. I had this one wrong, as Will Conoley dominated his matchup with Mitchell Meyer (21 points to 4). Looked like Meyer got into serious foul trouble and the Grizzlies snapped a 5-game skid.

HCAC standings
Anderson 6-0
Transylvania 5-2
Manchester 4-2
Defiance 3-3
Hanover 3-3
Franklin 3-3
MSJ 2-4
Rose-Hulman 2-4
Bluffton 0-7
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 14, 2010, 07:03:33 AM
Rose almost pulled a big upset, but I've come to realize over the years, that anyone can win on their home court in this league ... so not surprised it was close and said Tuesday that Coach Shaw's group would hang around last night. You have to bring an attitude to other people's gyms.

I was surprised that Transy hammered the Mount by almost 30 as well.

Had the Franklin-Hanover battle outcome wrong too. Conoley (21 and 5) dominated Meyer (6 and 2). Looks like Will is getting his legs back after missing a month with the flu. DC better have their antennas up for Saturday's clash against Will and the Grizz.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 14, 2010, 02:49:35 PM
I'm hoping DC plays aggressive and takes the ball right at Conoley throughout the game.  Get him in foul trouble yearly or force him to double down leaving whom ever he is gaurding open for an easy lay in.  DC can not afford to drop anymore games the rest of the season.  I know that is a very hard task at hand but a first round bye with the two seed is huge.  I'm figuring Anderson won't drop 3 or even two conference games this year and will lock up the one seed and host. 
As I see it everyone is chasing the two seed (except Anderson of course).  Regardless, here is how it looks for the one seed (two seed) Transy is 1 1/2 (0) games behind, Manchester 2 (1/2), DC, HC, FC 3 (1 1/2), MSJ & RHIT 4 (2 1/2), and Bluffton 6 1/2 (5) games.  (I think I did that right?) 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 14, 2010, 11:25:12 PM
Alright, as the next wave of HCAC contests is set to tip on Saturday, here is how I see things shaking out, as I put my 5-2 record on the line with some tough games this weekend...

Franklin (5-10, 3-3) at Defiance (12-3, 3-3)
A healthy Will Conoley poses all kinds of problems on the interior for the Jackets, but barring a major game from him or some sort of three-point assault from the Franklin guards, DC's offense should be able to put more points on the board to exploit Franklin's HCAC-worst -10.7 point differential and improve to 7-0 at the 'Hive'.

Mt. St. Joseph (7-7, 2-4) at Rose-Hulman (6-9, 2-4)
This has all the makings of a gut-check game for both teams. MSJ has lost 5 of 6, including the embarrassing loss at Transy on Wednesday, while RH is fresh off a just-miss against Anderson. And BTW, the loser drops into the bottom three in the league. This is a coin flip to me but I'll take the home Engineers.

Hanover (6-8, 3-3) at Anderson (14-1, 6-0)
I hate to bet against Jon Miller but this young Panther team just hasn't shown itself capable of scoring a big road victory yet and I gotta go with AU's experience, athleticism and the home planks once again.

Transylvania (9-6, 5-2) at Manchester (10-5, 4-2)
Possibly the most interesting game on the slate tips at 8:00 pm. The Spartans looked ugly in a sloppy win vs Bluffton on Wednesday but they might have been looking ahead to this one. TU was blistering hot in a blowout of MSJ on Wednesday and could be due for a slip on the road. I think MC establishes itself as a legit power with a win here because of several reasons. 1-Home court. Spartans are 8-1 at home, Pioneers have struggled on the road with a loss at Rose and a narrow win at Franklin. 2-MC should dominate the glass. 3-Manchester is first in the HCAC in shooting at 51.2%, while TU ranks 8th on defense by yielding a 48.1% fg clip to its opponents. That trend carries over beyond the arc as well. Too much in MC's favor here.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 15, 2010, 07:51:36 AM
I would have to agree about the Panthers chances at Anderson unless they really get an inside-outside offensive game going. The 74-70 score at Franklin was not really that close as it was about a 12pt game with 30 seconds remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 15, 2010, 08:47:58 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb this weekend and take an upset.

The Grizz finally have a full deck of cards with Conoley back, but Jacket killers Jace Redman and Dustin Marshall are gone. DC has played well against FC over the years in regular season action, but not the league tourney. I think DC has too much depth and talent for the young Grizz at the Weaner Center.

MSJ needs to get back on track after getting spanked in Lexington. Rose played well against Anderson Wednesday, but I'll take MSJ in a close one.

Now I'm going to go against the grain. Hanover junks it up against Anderson and keeps it in the 50s or 60s and hands AU its first league loss in a nail-nibbler with Mitchell Meyer having a big afternoon.

Manchester United and Transy is very interesting. I'll say the Spartans protect their home floor against Transy in another tight one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-Indy on January 16, 2010, 02:32:16 AM
Mt. St. Joe steals one on the road against Rose.

Anderson too much for Hanover on the road.

Defiance protects home court against Franklin.

Manchester and Transy goes to the wire but Transy pulls out a tough one on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 17, 2010, 12:09:43 AM
A top 4 is starting to emerge in the HCAC...

Anderson survived its second-straight nail-biter. This time escaping Hanover to stay unbeaten in league action. The Panthers had the ball, down 1, with 15 seconds to play but turned it over w/o getting a shot. Ravens held on for the 74-70 home victory.

Manchester rallied at home for a 68-64 win against Transylvania, who held a nine-point lead with 8:26 to go and were up by as many as seven with 2:41 left. Barrett Meyer remained blistering hot for TU, knocking in six more trifectas in the losing effort.

MSJ bounced back with a 62-46 win at Rose-Hulman behind 21 points from Kyle McCord. The Engineers failed to land a single player in double figures.

Defiance raced to a 33-9 lead and rolled past Franklin 99-83 to improve to 7-0 at home. Floyd led six Jackets in double figures with 19 points, 6 assists, 4 steals and 4 boards. DC ended with 62 points in the paint.

So, 4 teams remain with winning records in the HCAC...

Anderson 7-0
Manchester 5-2
Transylvania 5-3
Defiance 4-3
MSJ, Hanover, Franklin all at 3-4
Rose-Hulman 2-5
Bluffton 0-7
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-Indy on January 17, 2010, 12:53:03 PM
3-1 baby!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 17, 2010, 01:48:47 PM
Yep, think we all went 3-1 on Saturday. Nice picks! For the year...

DC SID - 8-3
Jacket_Backer - 7-4
HCAC Indy - 3-1

Got us a good race!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 18, 2010, 06:57:39 AM
Here's where I make my move and reel in DC SID!!!!!

The hopper is full for Wednesday's pick'em slate with a real whopper in North Manchester.

Anderson at Manchester

Defiance at Bluffton

Rose at Hanover

Transy at Maryville (Tenn.)

Franklin at MSJ
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 19, 2010, 12:13:46 PM
I'm going to jump on the HCAC pick em's a few (many) games behind.

Anderson-to hard to bet against them right now, even with two close ones as of recently & MC 9-1 home record.
DC-DC should win this one big, but BC is known for upsetting DC over and over again.
HC-Hanover needs this one to stay in hope for a tourney bid.
Maryville- Transy has beaten some good teams (WashU), but I don't think they will have enough for this one.
MSJ-Just going with the home team here.

Conf Standings for Tourney- Top 6 get in with top two with byes
1. Anderson 7-0 -
2. Manchester 5-2 2GB
3. Transy 5-3 2 1/2 GB
4. DC 4-3 3GB
5. HC, MSJ, FC 3-4 4GB Tomorrow we should have a better look at where each team sits.
8. RHIT 2-5 5GB
9. BC 0-7 7GB
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 19, 2010, 01:58:39 PM
I'm sure most have seen this but good news for the HCAC in the latest D3hoops poll, as Anderson continues its climb up to #11. In the receiving votes portion, Defiance and Manchester are also in the mix with DC having the 30th highest point total and Manchester getting a pair of votes. We've said this before, but it would be great to see more than one HCAC team in the NCAA Tourney this March and if these three teams can all get to 20 wins, I like those chances.

Which sets the stage for a pair of very interesting games looming on the HCAC slate, as Anderson plays at Manchester and at Defiance on the next two Wednesdays...

Speaking of that AU at Manchester clash, I'll check back later with my picks. Just hoping to see who everyone else picks first! haha.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on January 19, 2010, 11:03:32 PM
I'll jump in late too...

I'll take
AU
Defiance
Hanover
Transy
MSJ

I agree DC_SID, it would be nice to get a couple of teams in the tourney but I just want to see AU get their first ever bid.  They're in good position right now but they still have some very tough road games to get through.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 20, 2010, 06:45:29 AM
Unless Anderson totally collapses down the stretch here, I would think they have an at-large bid locked up. They've beat some very good teams UW-Platteville, Wittenberg, at Transy. They do have maybe the hardest league schedule left at Manchester, at Defiance, at MSJ, at Franklin, at Hanover along with Transy and Manchester at home. As great as Anderson's been, I believe they'll get picked off a couple of times just because the league is so good and everyone's going to give a little extra to knock off a top 25 team. If they can navigate that stretch without a couple of losses, wow, that would be pretty dang good.

Anderson's snuck past its last couple opponents, but I really like the team Manchester has this season. I'll say Manchester United in an upset just because they're at home.
DC
Hanover
It would be great to see Transy beat another national power, but I'll take Maryville at home.
MSJ
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 20, 2010, 11:34:48 AM
Well the HCAC site is down right now, so I can't crunch the numbers before making my picks, so I'll keep this short and sweet.

DC at Bluffton - 183rd all-time meeting goes to the Jackets.

Rose at Hanover - This is where the young Panthers begin making their move.

Transy at Maryville - Maryville getting votes and at home, I'll take em here.

Franklin at MSJ - These two are so unpredictable right now...I'm going on a limb and taking Franklin.

Anderson at Manchester - AU escaped a pair of losses last week. I'm wondering if they are starting to wear down...or did Rose and Hanover lay out the game plan on how to play the Ravens? I've been on the Manchester bandwagon...UPSET SPECIAL here, I'm taking the Spartans.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2010, 12:09:22 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on January 20, 2010, 06:45:29 AM
Unless Anderson totally collapses down the stretch here, I would think they have an at-large bid locked up. They've beat some very good teams UW-Platteville, Wittenberg, at Transy.

The win over UW-Platteville was a good one, but unfortunately for the Ravens it probably won't help them get an at-large bid if they need one. UW-Platteville and Anderson are not in-region opponents, and therefore the game doesn't count in terms of the five primary criteria used to determine Pool C (at-large) bids to the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 20, 2010, 02:30:49 PM
Way to be a buzz kill Gregory :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2010, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on January 20, 2010, 02:30:49 PM
Way to be a buzz kill Gregory :D

It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on January 20, 2010, 04:35:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2010, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on January 20, 2010, 02:30:49 PM
Way to be a buzz kill Gregory :D

It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. ;)

And you're quite good at it.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2010, 05:02:42 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 20, 2010, 04:35:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2010, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on January 20, 2010, 02:30:49 PM
Way to be a buzz kill Gregory :D

It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. ;)

And you're quite good at it.  ;)

Everybody's got a gift in life, right? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAC-Indy on January 20, 2010, 05:09:10 PM
Everyone is crazy if they don't think the Ravens are for real! I have seen 2 of their games (Defiance and Hanover) they have all the pieces you need. A solid 3 pt shooter from anywhere in Riddle, a solid PG who can score if needed who has one of the best assit to TO ratios in the nation, a tough role player who has ended up posting a few double doubles in rebounding, Jones the center is a very athletic 5 man for this league, and if that's not enough they have a D-1 transfer from IUPUI who has been a clutch scorer when they need him...combine all that and you have 5 starters averaging double figures. Tough to stop. The AU bench seems thin so when in foul trouble is when they are weak.

Very impressed with Hanover at AU though tough young tea
. Mike Case is a rising star in this league. Excellent rebounder.

With that said here are my picks:

transy goes down on the road

Anderson keeps rolling with a W at
Manchester

Defiance rolls with a W

Hanover wins at Home.

I will take Mt st Joe over FC even though it is a toss up.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 20, 2010, 09:29:35 PM
Defiance loses to Bluffton!!!!  Wow, I will no longer be rooting for I am very frustrated with my alum.  Until they start putting sporting teams that can really compete and not chokeThey need to be more consistent and not lose games they should win.  Little angered by thisNot happy, but wow, what a jokewhat an upsetting loss.
For Cave2Bens  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 20, 2010, 09:35:57 PM
Bluffton Beavers finally get one. Go Beavers! They were up 20 in the second half and then held on to win 91-83.

(corrected via Darryl)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2010, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on January 20, 2010, 09:35:57 PM
Bluffton Beavers finally get one. Go Beavers! They were up 20 in the second half and then held on to win 91-83.

The Beavers 18-point halftime lead got whittled down to 5 with 11:39 to go, but a 22-7 run over the next 5 minutes pushed the lead to 20.  The final 8-point margin was as close as the score got from there.

After just three FT attempts in the first half, fouls piled up in the second half.  DC ended up 20/28 for the game, while the Beavers finished 29/36 (with many of those coming down the stretch as DC tried to erase that deficit).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2010, 09:52:31 PM
Elsewhere:

AU by 2 at Manchester, 77-75
Hanover crushes RHIT, 54-34 (Rose with 8 points at halftime)
Franklin over MSJ, 73-69
Transy falls in OT to Maryville, 69-75
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 20, 2010, 11:39:41 PM
Congrats to the Beavers for breakin' out of the slump at an opportune moment.  It must be a "good feelin' to know."

Jackets musta been sniffin' too much press ink and drowned in the Kool Aid vat.  :-[
So much for big, accumulated points in the d3 rankings this month... ooops - pants lower than the status quo at Five Points Marta stop in Atlanta  :D

Quote from: dc_has_been on January 20, 2010, 09:29:35 PM
Defiance loses to Bluffton!!!!  Wow, I will no longer be rooting for my alum.  Until they start putting sporting teams that can really compete and not choke.  Little angered by this, but wow, what a joke.

Caution, Son of Grosse Ile - utterances like that will curtle your gray matter, force involuntary regurgitation of obscure Zappa lyrics, and reduce you to the cynical, curmudgeonly status currently represented by that loveable brigand from Fernandina and a Botswana-bound, trout bum.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 20, 2010, 11:42:51 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on January 20, 2010, 11:39:41 PM
Congrats to the Beavers for breakin' out of the slump at an opportune moment.  It must be a "good feelin' to know."

Jackets musta been sniffin' too much press ink and drowned in the Kool Aid vat.  :-[
So much for big, accumulated points in the d3 rankings this month... ooops - pants lower than the status quo at Five Points Marta stop in Atlanta  :D

Quote from: dc_has_been on January 20, 2010, 09:29:35 PM
Defiance loses to Bluffton!!!!  Wow, I will no longer be rooting for my alum.  Until they start putting sporting teams that can really compete and not choke.  Little angered by this, but wow, what a joke.

Caution, Son of Grosse Ile - utterances like that will curtle your gray matter, force involuntary regurgitation of obscure Zappa lyrics, and reduce you to the cynical, curmudgeonly status currently represented by that loveable brigand from Fernandina and a Botswana-bound, trout bum.  ;D
At least I would be in good company.  ;D Point taken!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 21, 2010, 12:38:42 AM
Wow. Shocking night in the HCAC and our predictions took it on the chin. Buzz and Has Been went 3-2, while everyone else limped to 2-3 marks. Updated season standings...

Buzz 11-5
Jacket Backer 9-7
DC Has Been 3-2
Indy 5-4
WC4252 2-3

As far as the real action goes, Anderson pretty well wrapped up the regular season crown with a big win at Manchester. The rest is wide open...from the battle for the two seed all the way down to the sixth and final tourney spot.

Anderson 8-0
Manchester 5-3
Transylvania 5-3
Defiance 4-4
Franklin 4-4
Hanover 4-4
-----------------------
Mt St Joseph 3-5
Rose-Hulman 2-6
Bluffton 1-7
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 21, 2010, 08:53:21 AM
DC didn't bring it on the road AGAIN and the Jackets got what they deserved at Founders. Sad, disappointing and a couple other adjectives come to mind that I can't use on here.     >:(   

Don't understand how Bluffton scores 54 points in the second half alone after going into the game only averaging 54 for a whole game. They hadn't sniffed 80 points all year until last night when they turned into an offensive machine. I'm also not sure how Bluffton was winless before last night. They have a lot of young talent. Fisher and Farley are going to be forces the next couple years.

I was just making the point earlier that Anderson has some very good wins this year and Platteville was one of them. I know it's an out-of-region victory, but just thought it was a noteworthy victory.

It would be a travis-shame-mockery if Anderson was not included in the dance with the season its had, even if it loses a couple more games. While we're on rankings, let's stop talking about DC in the rankings. Don't deserved to be mentioned the rest of this year that's for sure after the debacle last night. Haven't won a thing away from their own gym.

The Jackets are only a game out of second, but also just a game away from not making the league tournament at all. Nothing would surprise after last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 21, 2010, 11:10:14 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on January 21, 2010, 08:53:21 AM
DC didn't bring it on the road AGAIN and the Jackets got what they deserved at Founders. Sad, disappointing and a couple other adjectives come to mind that I can't use on here.     >:(   




Isn't that what the [shift]+selected numerical keys are for?   ::) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 21, 2010, 12:34:35 PM
Welp, the best way to heal from Wednesday is to move forward with more fearless predictions!

Anderson (8-0) at Mt. St. Joseph (3-5) - The Lions have enough to give the Ravens their fourth-straight nail-biter...plus this is a bit of a trap game between two road tests at Manchester and at Defiance, and Anderson can let its foot off the gas a bit with the three-game cushion.....all good reasons to pick the upset, but I learned my lesson on Wednesday, and I gotta go with Anderson.

Defiance (4-4) at Rose-Hulman (2-6) - Man. Jackets have a six-man senior class and as many weapons as anyone. So how is the 1-4 road record in the league explained? Just baffling and it's now or never for Defiance. I think they play 40 tenacious minutes for the victory. BTW - With the next 4 against Anderson, Hanover, Manchester and Transylvania...is Saturday a must-win for Defiance? I say yes.

Manchester (5-3) at Hanover (4-4) - I've been on the MC bandwagon and even thought they would upset Anderson, plus they beat Hanover by 14 back on Dec. 5....BUT, everyone knew this Hanover squad would only grow as the season went along and the last two showings back that up (4-point loss at Anderson and 54-34 home win over Rose). Panthers are much better now and are 5-1 at home, so I'm picking the upset and going with HC.

Transylvania (5-3) at Bluffton (1-7) - Bluffton would certainly help Defiance out by staying hot but it just is not going to happen. Pioneers roll and take sole-possession of second place.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 21, 2010, 02:13:22 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on January 21, 2010, 08:53:21 AMI was just making the point earlier that Anderson has some very good wins this year and Platteville was one of them. I know it's an out-of-region victory, but just thought it was a noteworthy victory.

Oh, it was, and ... hey, who knows? If Anderson finds itself stuck with having to rely upon garnering a Pool C berth on Selection Sunday in order to get into the dance, and one of the teams it's up against has UW-Platteville as a common opponent and seems to be Anderson's equal in every way among the five primary criteria, perhaps it'll come down to secondary criteria and that Ravens win over UW-Platteville will actually mean something.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 22, 2010, 07:02:40 AM
I keep thinking Anderson is going to slip up and actually I picked against them the last two games. Not anymore. Not much else they can do to prove their worth. I'm sticking with the Ravens the rest of the way and a 24-1 record.

I'm baffled as well with the Jackets' road woes. Like you say, six seniors, scorers galore and one of, if not the most experienced groups in the HCAC. But they can't win on the road. Good thing they won at MSJ last Saturday or they wouldn't even be in the HCAC Tournament right now. I say it's must-win as well. It's gut-check time for the Jackets and they'd better get it together. This season has been super disappointing and while I'm venting how in the world does a youthful Bluffton backcourt pretty much do whatever the heck they want? The Beavers were averaging 54 ppg and totaled that just in the final 20 minutes. The defense has been shaky all year and they've given up 72, 83 and 91 in the last three games. It's time for the senior class to step up and decide how they want this season to end. Time to BRING IT in the final eight games and hopefully earn a spot into the HCAC Tournament where you get a second life.  I say DC brings an attitude to Rose and gets a W.

Hanover

Transy
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on January 23, 2010, 10:02:02 AM
I'll take:

Anderson - I see this as a big time trap game and I can tell you from experience Sat. afternoon games at MSJ are always a struggle for AU.  Tough to pick against them at this point though

Defiance - I think the Yellow Jackets bounce back from a very disappointing performance last week

Manchester

Transy



Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 23, 2010, 10:09:54 AM
It's hard to understand how R-H could give Anderson such a strong game and then only score 8 pts. in a half at Hanover. I think this league is still wide open to any team that comes out and plays tough defense for 40 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 23, 2010, 01:03:28 PM
Exactly right Zander. Rose almost got Anderson and you saw what happened to DC at BU although the Beavers didn't exactly play a whole lot of D in the second half giving up 64. You better lace em up every day on the road in the HCAC and bring it, and the same can be said for almost every league around the nation.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on January 23, 2010, 04:48:02 PM
Final from MSJ

AU 66
MSJ 63
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 23, 2010, 05:52:08 PM
Anderson does it again. Using an 11-0 start and another second-half rally to escape with a three-point win. That's four thrillers in a row for the Ravens, who should be a top-10 team on Monday evening.

Defiance got off to a sluggish start on the road yet again but avoided back-to-back road losses with a 61-57 win at Rose. The Engineers had a shot to tie it in the final seconds but couldn't connect. DC gotta feel good about only having 2 more road games, cuz nothing is coming easy for the Jackets away from the Hive.

Hanover dominated Manchester 81-63 in a game that was never close. The Panthers jumped to a 14-4 lead, lead 43-26 at the break and rolled. This HC squad is one to keep an eye on, as this win moves the Panthers into a tie for 3rd.

Transy escapes Founders Hall with a 69-66 win over Bluffton. Beavers certainly look poised to play the roll of the spoiler down the stretch...

Updated HCAC Standings
Anderson 9-0
Transylvania 6-3
Hanover 5-4
Defiance 5-4
Manchester 5-4
Franklin 4-4
Mt St Joseph 3-5
Rose-Hulman 2-7
Bluffton 1-8

As far as our picks go, Buzz and DC Backer went 4-0, while WC went 3-1 to bring our updated pickem standings to...

Buzz 15-5
DC Backer 13-7
Has Been 3-2
WC 5-4
Indy 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 23, 2010, 07:16:28 PM
Wow, the Ravens do it again. They're turning into a real nail-nipper of a team. Be interesting to see if they can survive another thriller at the Hive, which I'm sure will be rocking with a top 10 team coming to town. I know I'm excited to see a matchup of this magnitude. DC has been at its best inside the Weaner Center, so should be a good one.

Not surprised by what Hanover is doing. Jon Miller knows knows a little something about hoops and they'll be a tough out in the HCAC Tournament. Manchester is still very good and is another team wouldn't be surprised to see win the HCAC Tournament.

After watching Bluffton on Wednesday, I'm not shocked by them playing Transy tough at home. Bluffton is much better than 1-16 and seems like they're younsters are starting to figure out the college game. The ball just hasn't bounced they're way, but they've been in almost every game this season. They'll win a another game or two with the talent they have, especially at Founders.

What a fight it is for the No. 2 seed. We may have to go deep into the tiebreaker scenario to figure that one out.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 23, 2010, 08:52:26 PM
I've seen some other conference boards doing this. So I put my twist on their ranknig system. Here is the point scale

Home W of less than 10 points = +1
Home W of more than 10 points = +2
Road W of less than 10 points = +2
Road W of more than 10 points = +3

Home L of less than 10 points = -2
Home L of more than 10 points = -3
Road L of less than 10 points = -1
Road L of more than 10 points = -2

I did this pretty quick, so I could have made some mistakes, but the point totals play out pretty much exactly like the standings...but really do emphasize just how good Anderson has been.

Anderson +18
Transy and Defiance +5
Hanover and Manchester +2
Franklin -2
MSJ -3
Rose-Hulman -12
Bluffton -13

Yeah, aggregate totals are plus 32 and minus 30, so I'm off 2 points somewhere. Anyway, just another way to show how good Anderson is, how evenly matched Transylvania, Defiance, Hanover, Manchester, Franklin and MSJ are in the middle 6 and how overmatched Rose and Bluffton have been.

On a side note, Anderson's win today was its school-record 14th straight. The streak began against Defiance, who just so happens to be hosting Anderson on Wednesday. Should be a fun atmosphere at the Karl H. Weaner Community Center.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 25, 2010, 02:31:41 PM
Good work Buzz! 

Anderson has clearly showed their dominance so far.  I think Anderson is going to slip up somewhere, but where that will be is still the question.  They've had some close ones over their last four games.  Three of them they one by 3 and one by 4.  Now they come to DC for their third road game in a row.  The Jackets have played well at home this season.  They have not lost a home, yet & are averaging 20 point margin of victory.  Keep in mind they played a very subpar OSU-Lima School & won by 63, so really they are averaging 13 point margin of victory.  Anderson is undefeated on the road too.  Should be a good game!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 26, 2010, 08:08:39 AM
Any predictions on the Hanover vs. Transy game Wednesday night at Hanover??
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 26, 2010, 12:40:29 PM
I am struggling with my picks for this week and admittedly just sorta winging it...we'll see how it goes.

Mt. St. Joseph (8-9, 3-6) at Bluffton (1-17, 1-8) - It is never a good idea to pick a 1-17 team to win, but Bluffton has been very competitive at home of late, knocking off Defiance and nearly taking down Hanover and Transylvania. I am going on a limb to predict the Beavers to play spoiler once again and to put a huge chink in MSJ's touney hopes.

Franklin (6-11, 4-4) at Rose-Hulman (6-12, 2-7) - I can make good cases for either side here. My case for Rose is they play much better D than Franklin, they are at home and they won at Franklin. My case for Franklin is basically that Clay Starrett shot 1-12 in that loss to Rose and I can't see that happening again...I am going with Franklin.

Transylvania (10-8, 6-3) at Hanover (8-9, 5-4) - Very tough to pick games pitting teams from the pack of (TU, DC, MC, HC) and I think they are all very evently matched. I'm going with a trend here, and that is the Hanover squad that seems to be playing its best hoops of the year. Plus the Panthers haven't lost at home in two months. I'll take Hanover to continue their ascent up the HCAC standings and set up a fun showdown at Defiance on Saturday.

#10 Anderson (17-1, 9-0) at Defiance (14-4, 5-4) - This clash has been circled on the calendar for weeks by both sides, but especially by Defiance. The Ravens embarrassed DC back on Dec. 2, by outscoring the Jackets 52-26 in the 2nd and by hitting 19-of-20 shots inside the arc en route to setting a school record with a 70.4 team field goal percentage. That game was also the first in AU's current school-record 14-game win streak and brings everything back full circle to the Karl H. Weaner Community Center (aka - The Hive) on Wednesday. What else....Nick Sales scored his 1,000th point at Anderson, and is 14 points from also getting his 1,200th against Anderson. And finally, the Ravens are 8-0 on the road, Defiance is 7-0 at home. So who am I picking? Well, DC has the depth and the firepower and the home crowd, but the Jackets have been in a bit of a funk since the turn of the calendar, while Anderson has been beating everyone in sight. As a numbers guy it would be great to see AU's streak be snapped by the team that started it, but I gotta go with the Ravens in another close one.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 26, 2010, 01:42:19 PM
This IMO, is probably the most interesting week in HCAC action.  This week could really make or break some teams come tourny time.  MSJ & RHIT need these games badly to stay in the hunt for a spot in the tourny while the second spot is still up for grabs too. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on January 26, 2010, 01:57:35 PM
I'll go with

Bluffton
Franklin
Hanover
AU

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 26, 2010, 02:19:24 PM
MSJ
Rose
Hanover
Defiance
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 27, 2010, 07:19:28 AM
Bluffton

Rose

Hanover

If Anderson and Defiance were playing anywhere else I'd go with the Ravens. I'll say Jackets ride the homecourt advantage and avenge loss to Ravens.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 27, 2010, 11:37:21 AM
Big day in Defiance!  I'm back on their bandwagon after the Bluffton loss just like I am everyweek when they lose during Football season.  My wife always asks me why I enjoy sports so much when all it does is make me upset ;D. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 27, 2010, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on January 27, 2010, 11:37:21 AM
Big day in Defiance!  I'm back on their bandwagon after the Bluffton loss just like I am everyweek when they lose during Football season.  My wife always asks me why I enjoy sports so much when all it does is make me upset ;D. 

"Because I can" - coupled with the insidious "whatever," provides an effective counterbalance to the "k" factor (constant) of feminine unpredictability.   ;D  +k for self-assessed honesty - LMAO!

Oh my, Buzz  :o.  Anderson as a pick?  ???  A four-letter alias is too short to substitute for "Murphy", so is there some insider info unshared with our local scribe, JB?  ;D ;D

Here's to the local hornets taking a page from the behavioral, genetic playbook of their Africanized cousins and swarming the black birds - Focus all 40, Jackets, and close the deal!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2010, 09:12:40 PM
Bluffton over MSJ, 77-63.

For the Beavers:  Hill with 27, Fisher 18, Farley 14 (plus 8 rebounds and 5 blocks).
For MSJ: Huffman 17, McCord 12, Faust 10.  (Leading scorer Michael Romes was left the game in the 2nd half in obvious pain, with 6 points.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2010, 09:17:24 PM
Defiance downs Anderson, 91-75.
Franklin over RHIT, 62-59.
Hanover over Transy, 68-65.

Two close games, two double-digit wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 27, 2010, 09:58:45 PM
Defiance-Anderson was really tight until about eight minutes left when zebras missed several obvious calls in a row - to Anderson's benefit.  :-X  Rather than packing it in, the Jackets responded with a couple of threes from downtown, a couple of slams, and then never looked back.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 27, 2010, 11:30:42 PM
Well as the dust settles on another exciting night of HCAC hoops, the tourney field is really taking shape with the top six teams distancing themselves from the bottom three of MSJ, RH and Bluffton.

Franklin gets 21 points, 7 rebounds and 4 helpers from Clay Starrett, including a couple big FT's to ice the 62-59 win at Rose.

Bluffton gets 27 from Mychal Hill, as the soph. guard is netting 19.6 per over his last five. Beavers win 77-63 over MSJ, but can they sustain this with four of their last six on the road?

Hanover 68-65 over Transy for their third-straight W. The Panthers hit 13-of-22 from deep and are really playing well..but 1-4 on the road in league play.

And the big game of the night had the Hive rocking as Defiance used a 24-6 run late in the second to end No. 10 Anderson's 14-game streak and hand the Ravens their first HCAC setback. The Jackets finally put together 40 strong minutes to earn a signature victory 91-75.

So, updated HCAC standings...

Anderson 9-1
Defiance 6-4
Hanover 6-4
Transy 6-4
Manchester 5-4
Franklin 5-4
-------------------
MSJ 3-7
Rose-Hulman 2-8
Bluffton 2-8

And our pick-em standings after 3-1 showings from Buzz, DC Backer and WC and a 2-2 night for Zander

Buzz 18-6
DC Backer 16-8
WC 8-5
Has Been 3-2
Indy 5-4
Zander 2-2

I wish the DC v Hanover game on Saturday tipped right now. Should be a very fun double-dip on Saturday with 2nd-place up for grabs in the women's and men's contests.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 27, 2010, 11:31:46 PM
Darryl - Any guess as to what Romes injury was? That could be devestating for MSJ. Hopefully it is something he can get back from fairly quickly!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 28, 2010, 12:59:37 AM
What a day!  It was my daughter's first bday which was a success & DC takes down the Ravens!!!   I'm still hoping they maintain & take the #2 spot going into the tourny. 
Another win for the Beavers!  I want everyone to pay attention to the scores when they play at home.  IMO they are a tough team to play at their place.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 28, 2010, 06:28:09 AM
Quote from: Buzz on January 27, 2010, 11:31:46 PM
Darryl - Any guess as to what Romes injury was? That could be devestating for MSJ. Hopefully it is something he can get back from fairly quickly!

There was no obvious incident that led to the injury--he was clearly in lots of pain, though.  The trainers appeared to be working on his knees before he left the floor. Perhaps someone from MSJ can fill in the details?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 28, 2010, 08:33:19 AM
Fear the Beavers!   :)

It has been a very rough year for the Beavers, getting even a couple of wins to close out the season will give the underclassmen and Coach Neal something to build on for next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 28, 2010, 09:56:02 AM
Gotta agree, Bluffton is not what their record indicates. The Fisher kid will be a major force in the HCAC.

Another big one for the Jackets Saturday with Hanover in town. They've played DC tough the last three meetings with Miller coming in with great game plans. Hanover's kind of junked those meetings up and slowed the pace to a snails crawl. Who can get the tenor in their favor will come out on top. DC's been great at home, but Hanover's well coached and playing really well. Should be a good one.

Buzz, you've got to be taking some heat like Cave said after picking against the hometown Jackets!!!! Ouch. I'm going to make my move in the pickem Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 28, 2010, 12:34:00 PM
haha, yeah, I definitely missed that one, but I said if Defiance put it all together for 40 minutes, the Jackets could pull the upset. That's exactly what happened. DC had an outstanding gameplan coming in, got a total team effort, attacked the AU bigs, played physical, stayed poised and didn't lose focus for the entire 40 minutes. DC needs to match that performance the rest of the way, and if they do...it will be a very fun ride for fans of the Purple and Gold.

Couple of side notes...

Nick Sales reached the 1,200-point plateau last night. He's played in the shadow of Anthony Pettaway most of his career but is cementing his own legacy this year. In a few more games, he'll be just one of five players in DC history to have 1,200 points and 800 rebounds. He's currently at 746 boards with at least six games left. I guess that's not a lock, but give him at least one HCAC Tourney game, and he just needs to average 7.7 per...his career clip is 7.5 per night and is getting 7.9 per contest this season...so it's within reach.

If Saturday's second-place showdown with former mentor Jon Miller and his red-hot Hanover squad was not enough to talk about, the Jackets will be going for win #1,300 in the history of the program. 1,299 wins to 827 losses for a .611 winning %.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 28, 2010, 12:48:30 PM
And while I am rambling. There is still work to do for DC's six-man senior class. But I just took a moment to reflect on the impact of this class during its time at Defiance.

Saturday will be the 100th game for this class.
It is 69-30 for a .697 clip.
A chance to be the winningest class since DC won 73 games from 1987-88 through 1991-92 and the winning % is much higher.
The W/L record is 40-18 in the HCAC (.690%) and 31-11 over the last three years (.738%).
15 or more wins in all four seasons, with a good shot at 17 or more W's in all four.

It isn't often that a group of seniors does what this one has at Defiance. With three-straight trips to the HCAC Semis, two trips to the HCAC Finals and one regular season HCAC Championship, there really is just one goal remaining and that is the elusive bid to the NCAA Tourney. DC hasn't gotten the invite since 2001 and it would be really nice to see a group like this gain that opportunity.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 28, 2010, 12:55:48 PM
Just keep picking the winners like last night, Buzz, and the winning percentage will be assured.  ;)

Quote from: Jackets Backer on January 28, 2010, 09:56:02 AM

Buzz, you've got to be taking some heat like Cave said after picking against the hometown Jackets!!!! Ouch. I'm going to make my move in the pickem Saturday.

Wow - an uncalled (for) over-the-back at the offensive end by Jackets Backer in the "third half?"  Great lunchtime entertainment!   :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on January 28, 2010, 03:05:24 PM
I'd like to know if Coach Slyder is still complaining about the technical foul that wasn't called in the first half.  He was chewing on the officials' ears for a good five minutes on that one.  Let it go, man.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 29, 2010, 08:12:15 AM
It looks like the Hanover vs Defiance game should be a battle. Hanover won back in December against Defiance, and now they will have to  prove they can win a conference game on the road against the team that finally ended Anderson's winning streak. It should be a great game to claim second place in the HCAC standings- I take Hanover to win...it will be a defining moment for this young Panther team.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 29, 2010, 09:11:45 AM
Quote from: altor on January 28, 2010, 03:05:24 PM
I'd like to know if Coach Slyder is still complaining about the technical foul that wasn't called in the first half.  He was chewing on the officials' ears for a good five minutes on that one.  Let it go, man.

Nah, he had enough, he lit out of the Weaner Center with a good 10-15 seconds still on the clock at the end of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 30, 2010, 12:49:18 AM
Alright, time for my Saturday picks and I gotta admit, outside of the DC/HC matchup, these seem pretty cut and dry. Home teams are posting a .659 winning % this year in the HCAC and all four home teams would be favored anyway, so I look for four more home victories on Saturday. If that happens, it will pretty much seal the six-team tourney field....Saturday should be a day of separation.

Rose-Hulman (6-13, 2-8) at Transylvania (10-9, 6-4)
RH topped Transy in double OT last time around, but this time it is at TU and the Pioneers know its a must have for them and their bid for the No. 2 seed. Gimme Transylvania here, they'll shoot better than 39% this time.

Bluffton (2-17, 2-8) at Franklin (7-11, 5-4)
Bluffton is playing so much better now and if this were in Founders, I'd be tempted... but now they head on the road, where they haven't really shown much. Grizzlies won't take them lightly anymore regardless, so I'll take FC. But what if Bluffton could snag another W? Could the Beavers make a run at the 6 seed??

MSJ (8-10, 3-7) at Manchester (11-7, 5-4)
Manchester would be favored anyway but especially with the questions surrounding the health of Romes. I think the Spartans easily snap their 2-game skid on Saturday.

Hanover (9-9, 6-4) at Defiance (15-4, 6-4)
Nobody has been more impressive over the last three games than Hanover. Not allowing over 65 points and really hitting its stride. BUT, DC almost beat the Panthers on the road and managed to put 73 on the board while shooting a woeful 31% and 3-25 from deep. Hard to see DC shooting that poorly again, so the Jackets should be able to push the score into the upper 70's at least, where Hanover is only 2-7 when giving up more than 70. If that happens, its a huge edge to Defiance. DC should be able to push the tempo just enough to pull this one out and a fast start will be crucial.


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 30, 2010, 10:10:15 AM
Transy
Franklin
Manchester
Hanover
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 30, 2010, 11:14:30 AM
home gyms prevail today.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 30, 2010, 04:36:18 PM
Bluffton/Franklin just went final with FC coming out on top, 62-59.  Beavers were playing without Josh Fisher (I don't know why).

Transy/RHIT also just finished, with the Pioneers winning 60-49.

Defiance/Hanover still has about 4 minutes left; the Panthers currently hold a 3 point lead.  You can follow the action here. (http://defianceathletics.com/LiveStats/2010mbb/xlive.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 30, 2010, 05:04:05 PM
Great game Hanover Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 30, 2010, 05:08:27 PM
If a Jackets fan, one can only say "Stinkeroo"

38.5% from charity  ???

Hanover shot 71% in the final stanza, 61% for the game, made free throws at nearly 79%, and executed a downright disciplined strategy.  Well done, Panthers.   ;)

On positive note, Jackets did win the assist battle 16-15, but that's about it.  Back to the drawing board, and 50 FTs each after sprints as cool downs.  :-[  Sheez.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on January 30, 2010, 09:22:54 PM
If anyone can figure this DC squad out....play 40 great minutes against Anderson and then appear flat and disinterested against Hanover with a chance to take control of the very important No. 2 seed. But big props to Hanover for never letting DC get going and scoring a very big road victory. Jon Miller has these Panthers on a roll with 4-straight W's.

Looks like Franklin, Manchester and Transy all took care of business at home, although Bluffton and MSJ put up pretty good fights.

Updated HCAC Standings
*Anderson 9-1
Hanover 7-4
Transylvania 7-4
Manchester 6-4
Franklin 6-4
Defiance 6-5
----------------
Mt St Joseph 3-8
Rose-Hulman 2-9
Bluffton 2-9

* Denotes team has clinched spot in HCAC Tourney

and updated pick standings after Zander went 4-0 and Buzz/Backer went 3-1.

Buzz 21-7
Zander 6-2
DC Backer 19-9
WC 8-5
Has Been 3-2
Indy 5-4

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 31, 2010, 12:13:41 AM
Well, Hanover has DC's number this year.  That game puts DC currently in the sixth spot for the HCAC tournament.  If anyone has any insight in what happened in that game fill me in please.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
To follow up on Buzz's comment that Anderson has clinched a spot in the tournament ... below is a table summarizing the remaining games, followed by a table showing the percent of remaining scenarios in which each team makes the top 6.  (These percents are not the same as probabilities, unless each game is decided by a coin flip.)


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Anderson9-14-05-1vs. BU, @ FC, vs. RHIT, vs. TU, vs. MC, @ HC
Hanover7-45-02-4@ MSJ, vs. BU, vs. FC, @ RHIT, vs. AU
Transylvania7-45-12-3vs. FC, @ DC, @ MSJ, @ AU, vs. MC
Manchester6-45-11-3vs. DC, @ RHIT, @ BU, vs. FC, @ AU, @ TU
Franklin6-43-23-2@ TU, vs. AU, @ HC, @ MC, vs. MSJ, vs. DC
Defiance6-54-12-4@ MC, vs. TU, vs. MSJ, vs. BU, @ FC
Mount St. Joseph3-82-31-5vs. HC, vs. TU, @ DC, @ FC, vs. RHIT
Rose-Hulman2-92-40-5vs. MC, @ AU, @ BU, vs. HC, @ MSJ
Bluffton2-92-40-5@ AU, @ HC, vs. MC, vs. RHIT, @ DC



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Tournament?
Anderson
80.96%12.73%4.70%1.32%0.27%0.02%100.00%
Hanover
5.60%24.38%24.76%21.02%16.10%7.50%99.36%
Transylvania
5.67%23.82%22.84%20.20%15.79%10.89%99.22%
Franklin
2.93%13.58%16.21%17.62%20.24%26.23%96.81%
Manchester
4.15%17.95%18.54%19.06%19.17%19.06%97.93%
Defiance
0.68%7.53%12.94%20.43%26.76%28.21%96.55%
Mount St. Joseph
----0.02%0.34%1.44%5.45%7.26%
Rose-Hulman
------0.00%0.05%0.86%0.91%
Bluffton
------0.01%0.18%1.77%1.96%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 01, 2010, 06:34:55 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on January 31, 2010, 12:13:41 AM
Well, Hanover has DC's number this year.  That game puts DC currently in the sixth spot for the HCAC tournament.  If anyone has any insight in what happened in that game fill me in please.

Hanover plays defense and Defiance doesn't. I don't know that DC was flat, Hanover was just better. DC has had some really poor defensive efforts this year where teams really stuck right in their eye. Anderson's 80 percent half comes to mind, Hanover shoots it 70 percent in second half and 60 for game. DC's fine when they're making shots, but if they have a day where they're shooting even 45 percent, it can be a struggle because the lack of defense and the other team is shooting over 50 percent or even 60.

Mitchell Meyer and Mike Case were unstoppable for Hanover, they scored 35 points on only 15 shots combined.

DC also missed plenty of bunnies and shot poorly at the charity line 5-13.

Plus Coach Miller made DC guard for 20-30 seconds every time down the court until they got a good look. When they did, they buried em. They run their stuff and really make you focus on defense. Even going back to the last two games DC won against Hanover last year, they were nail-biters and DC was fortunate to win both. This year, Hanover has outplayed them both times and really controlled the action in both. It's amazing how a 2-point or 4-point lead for Hanover is more like a 10-point lead. They're so dang good when they get just a couple point lead. They've won four straight and everyone in this league better keep an eye on them with a player like Mitchell Meyer. They can beat anyone, anywhere.

The scary thing is Hanover is very young with only one senior and like 11 rookies. Coach Miller has really turned that program into a league contender in a very short two years there when many thought it make take longer to get that program back up. I'm not surprised, I saw first hand what he did at Defiance. He can coach and always has a great gameplan. And the Panthers have a toughness about them, something that's a staple of his teams.

DC is at a crossroad, 2-2 in its last 4 with losses to Bluffton and Hanover. Right now the 6th seed and have a pair of very loseable games this week if they don't bring it. At Manchester Wed. and home with Transy, who they've really struggled with over the years.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 01, 2010, 11:01:35 AM
Press "2".  Matador defense is only effective if the cuadrilla is fully functional.  Without lance and sword to slow the bull, a backside goring is inevitable.  Ole! (As in Mediterranean influence, and not the Ole and Swen jokes from the Yoopers...)  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 01, 2010, 12:09:02 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on February 01, 2010, 06:34:55 AM
Hanover plays defense and Defiance doesn't. I don't know that DC was flat, Hanover was just better.

Agreed. It probably was not fair of me to call the Jackets flat on Saturday. And by that I mean not fair to Defiance who played hard - just not well - and not fair to Hanover who played outstanding. Sometimes you just get beat and I agree that it was simply Hanover outplaying Defiance, controlling the tempo and never letting DC or the crowd really get on track. In fact I remember the 2 or 3 times that it looked like Defiance was about to go on one of its spurts and get some bounce in its step and Coach Miller would just calmy call a TO, draw up a play, run 30 seconds off the clock and get a bucket to turn everything right back around.

Gotta tip the cap to Miller and Hanover for winning a big game in a tough environment. They deserved it on Saturday. And if you look at Hanover's remaining sked (Thanks Darryl), this win really put them in great shape for the No. 2 seed.

If Defiance is not careful, it could be looking at the No. 6 seed, a first-round game AT Transylvania on the Tuesday game and then if they get past that, a semifinal with Hanover....with Anderson possibly waiting in the championship game on its home court. That would be a very very tall task to navigate those three matchups! Jackets definitely need some wins to get out of that scenario and @Manchester and home vs Transy in the next two games is going to show what DC is made of. Every setback from here in will be crushing to the team's chances.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 02, 2010, 02:11:02 PM
Well said Bob!

In regard to DC, they need to finish strong by taking the rest of their games to have some momentum going into the tourney where ever they're seeded.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 02, 2010, 02:56:40 PM
Which team has the best shot of winning the conference tourney besides Anderson this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 02, 2010, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: zander on February 02, 2010, 02:56:40 PM
Which team has the best shot of winning the conference tourney besides Anderson this year?

If one takes into account Darryl's mind-boggling, statistical morass on the previous page, the remaining schedules (home and away) among the "contenders," and toss in irrelevant, uneducated opinion of this fossilized flake - I'd give an edge to Hanover.  With 1 game remaining (@ home to boot against AU) against the contenders/pretenders, coupled with scrupulous observation from Saturday, Coach Miller has them playing well and within their capabilities.

Poor foul shooting aside, Hanover forced many difficulties on Defiance.  Bottom line, IMO, was DC isn't as bad as Hanover was darned good on Saturday.  I doubt Anderson is counting on "a gimme" down in Madison, either.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 02, 2010, 05:17:57 PM
I'm going to agree with cave on that one.  Hanover has been playing very well and took down Manchester, Transey, and Defiance their last three games.  Pretty impressive considering those three teams fighting for the 2nd spot with Hanover.  Looks like they are the ones marking their territory right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 02, 2010, 09:45:21 PM
Wednesday's picks...

Bluffton (2-18, 2-9) at #14 Anderson (17-2, 9-1)
Should be interesting to see how the Ravens come back off their first league loss, and the following bye on Saturday. AU should be refreshed and refocused, and ready to handle the much-improved Beavers.

Hanover (10-9, 7-4) at MSJ (8-11, 3-8)
The Panthers are playing their best ball of the year and its unknown if Romes will be back and 100% for the Lions. Hanover should get its fifth straight.

Franklin (8-11, 6-4) at Transylvania (11-9, 7-4)
FC has won three straight but that's a bit misleading with those W's against MSJ, Bluffton and Rose. Pioneers should get this victory to keep their hopes for the #2 seed alive.

Defiance (15-5, 6-5) at Manchester (12-7, 6-4)
First time around was a gem that DC won late. Manchester much better at home, DC has really struggled on the road and really needs to invest on the defensive end. I do think DC is the better team though, so I'll go on a limb and pick the Jackets to finally score a big road victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 03, 2010, 06:58:50 AM
Anderson
Hanover
Transy
Manchester
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 03, 2010, 10:46:22 AM
Andy
HC
TU
DC
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_star on February 03, 2010, 07:11:13 PM
Anderson
Hanover
Transylvania
DC
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2010, 09:20:44 PM
Anderson holds off Bluffton, 72-66.  It was within 3 points late, but AU got lots of rebounds and hit their FTs down the stretch.

Elsewhere, Transy blows out Franklin, 81-55, and Hanover keeps on rolling, beating MSJ 74-59.

Midway through the second half, DC leads Manchester 52-46.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2010, 09:50:16 PM
Defiance over Manchester by double digits ... live stats feed is stuck at 25 seconds, but I assume this is over.

After tonight's action, Hanover and Transy have clinched a spot in the tourney, and Defiance is nearly a lock, while the bottom three are nearly locked out.

Quote from: cave2bens on February 02, 2010, 03:56:57 PM
If one takes into account Darryl's mind-boggling, statistical morass ...

Here's a bit more statistical swampiness to trudge through:


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Anderson10-15-05-1@ FC, vs. RHIT, vs. TU, vs. MC, @ HC
Hanover8-45-03-4vs. BU, vs. FC, @ RHIT, vs. AU
Transylvania8-46-12-3@ DC, @ MSJ, @ AU, vs. MC
Defiance7-54-13-4vs. TU, vs. MSJ, vs. BU, @ FC
Franklin6-53-23-3vs. AU, @ HC, @ MC, vs. MSJ, vs. DC
Manchester6-55-21-3@ RHIT, @ BU, vs. FC, @ AU, @ TU
Mount St. Joseph3-92-41-5vs. TU, @ DC, @ FC, vs. RHIT
Rose-Hulman2-92-40-5vs. MC, @ AU, @ BU, vs. HC, @ MSJ
Bluffton2-102-40-6@ HC, vs. MC, vs. RHIT, @ DC



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  #7  #8  #9 
Anderson
85.60%10.29%3.78%0.33%0.00%0.00%------
Hanover
6.41%35.00%28.89%16.55%8.98%4.17%------
Transylvania
6.73%34.29%26.06%16.61%12.62%3.70%------
Defiance
0.28%8.36%18.93%33.54%26.35%12.53%0.01%----
Franklin
0.31%4.55%11.83%14.98%22.80%43.91%1.59%0.02%--
Manchester
0.67%7.51%10.51%17.99%29.20%32.53%1.54%0.05%0.00%
Mount St. Joseph
--------0.03%1.89%48.34%31.96%17.77%
Rose-Hulman
--------0.01%1.22%33.36%38.98%26.42%
Bluffton
----------0.04%15.16%29.00%55.80%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 03, 2010, 11:50:09 PM
Looks like Darryl has the HCAC updates covered, so I'll just provide the HCAC Pickem results.

Buzz, Star and Backer all go 4-0 on Wednesday, with Zander paying the price for picking against Defiance and limping in at 3-1! Updated season standings...

Buzz 25-7
DC Backer 23-9
Zander 9-3
Star 4-0
WC 8-5
Has Been 3-2
Indy 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 04, 2010, 12:03:57 AM
Take this for what it's worth - and that's not much...but I went through the team's remaining games and predicted the outcome. Here is how I see the final standings looking...

No. 1 Anderson - 13-3
No. 2 Hanover - 12-4
No. 3 Transylvania - 11-5
No. 4 Defiance - 11-5
No. 5 Manchester - 8-8
No. 6 Franklin - 7-9
--------------------------
No. 7 Bluffton 4-12
No. 8 Mt. St. Joseph 3-13
No. 9 Rose-Hulman 2-14

Transy gets the No. 3 seed in this scenario bc TU and DC would split the head to head and would each have one victory against Anderson. The edge goes to Transy with its win against Hanover, whereas the Jackets were swept by the Panthers. Leaving the HCAC Tourney matchups...

Anderson vs winner of Defiance/Manchester
Hanover vs winner of Transylvania/Franklin

I think we'd then get Anderson/Defiance and Hanover/Transylvania in the HCAC Semis and honestly, I'm not sure you could get two better matchups.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 04, 2010, 08:23:07 AM
Man, another close loss for the Beavers.  Still hoping for a couple more wins to finish off the year.  Fear the Beaver!  ;D

Beavers are scoring 61.3 pts/game in conference while giving up 65.9 pts/game.  So close yet so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 04, 2010, 09:22:10 AM
One thing is for sure if the Panthers win the rest of the way through then the Feb.20th game against Anderson at Hanover (and the last game of the season for both teams) will be a BATTLE worth the price of admission.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_star on February 04, 2010, 09:31:08 AM
Huge win for DC! Hopefully the Jackets can sustain that momentum heading in to Saturday's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 04, 2010, 10:22:30 AM
It was an OK win for the Jackets. A game they should've won. They need to string some Ws together going into the HCAC Tournament. The No. 2 seed would be nice, but not real realistic with Hanover holding the tiebreaker. At very least, 3rd or 4th seed to host quarterfinal contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 04, 2010, 12:14:16 PM
Jackets Backer-couldn't agree with you more.  DC really has no other choice as I mentioned before, to win out!  This would give them a shot for a 3 seed or possibley a 2 seed if Hanover has some kind of freak meltdown. 

I'm not claiming Anderson the out right champ yet either.  They've been just getting by over their last five wins.  I think having depth issues is catching up and may hurt them the rest of the way and will carry over into the tournament.  Right now I'm thinking Hanover is the team to watch out for.

dc_star, glad to see another DC poster here.  +1 to get you started in the karma area.  DC fans you've all done a great job representing on this board this year(except a few of my comments out of anger ;D).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 04, 2010, 02:10:22 PM
So what is the karma rating anyway. I've been wondering about that...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 04, 2010, 02:17:54 PM
I'm not ready to crown Anderson either. I think the Tourney will be wide open like every year although Franklin and Transy have really dominated it recently. I like Hanover right now too ... mostly because they have Miller patrolling the sidelines and Mitchell Meyer and Mike Case inside. Anderson, Transy, Hanover or DC wouldn't surprise me at all winning the Tourney. Manchester possibly, but don't think they have quite enough. Franklin is just too young this year. I love conference tournaments but I think it's not really fair when the regular season champion doesn't earn an automatic berth into the NCAA Tournament. That's the team that proved they were the best over the entire season, not just two nights.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2010, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: Buzz on February 04, 2010, 02:10:22 PM
So what is the karma rating anyway. I've been wondering about that...

I thought there was a description of this somewhere in the "help" section of the boards, but I cannot find it.  (Perhaps Pat or some other d3boards guru can point it out.)

Briefly, karma is a measure of goodwill (or bad will) dispensed to you by other posters.  After you have posted some number of times (50? 100? 200), you are given the ability to "applaud" or "smite" any other poster (no more than once a day).  Typically, you might applaud someone (giving him/her +1 karma points) for making a clever, insightful, or otherwise admirable comment.  If you are angry at someone (because of some particularly harsh comment, for example), you can smite them, resulting in -1 karma points.

d3sports head honcho Pat Coleman has 1042 karma points, as a sign of appreciation for all the work that he does (and as an indication that most posters have the sense not to bite the hand that feeds them).  You might sometimes see posters with a rather severe karma deficit, owing to a tendency to post snarky or controversial comments.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2010, 03:37:50 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2010, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: Buzz on February 04, 2010, 02:10:22 PM
So what is the karma rating anyway. I've been wondering about that...

I thought there was a description of this somewhere in the "help" section of the boards, but I cannot find it.  (Perhaps Pat or some other d3boards guru can point it out.)

It's right here. (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=41)

Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2010, 02:22:41 PM
Briefly, karma is a measure of goodwill (or bad will) dispensed to by other posters.  After you have posted some number of times (50? 100?)

200.


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2010, 03:51:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2010, 03:37:50 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2010, 02:22:41 PM
I thought there was a description of [karma] somewhere in the "help" section of the boards, but I cannot find it.  (Perhaps Pat or some other d3boards guru can point it out.)

It's right here. (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=41)

Thanks, Gregory. I knew I had read that statement somewhere, but I looked in the help section of d3boards.com; should have thought to look at d3hoops.com/d3football.com/etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 04, 2010, 04:52:45 PM
thanks guys. so this is post 41 for me...159 more before i can start handing out and taking away points! haha
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 04, 2010, 11:15:20 PM
I'm further behind buzz. Please give me some karma you D3 guru's. Go Colts!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 05, 2010, 12:28:55 PM
Here you go zander & Buzz, I'm in a giving mood!  Darryl & Gregory too, for all your hard work posting vital info.  Karma +1 on the HOUSE!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2010, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 05, 2010, 12:28:55 PM
Here you go zander & Buzz, I'm in a giving mood!  Darryl & Gregory too, for all your hard work posting vital info.  Karma +1 on the HOUSE!
Right back at you.  Friday puts me in a karma-giving mood.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 05, 2010, 08:42:45 PM
Another Saturday full of HCAC action as this regular season winds down. I don't see too many surprises, as the top 6 are gearing up, while MSJ and Rose seem to be fading fast.

IU-East (12-10) at MSJ (8-12)
It still doesn't look like Romes is back 100%, and IU-East is a pretty athletic team that has played some good teams tough. Hate to go agains the HCAC squad, but I don't think a Romes-less MSJ team can keep pace.

Manchester (12-8, 6-5) at Rose-Hulman (6-14, 2-9)
MC simply needs this one more and Rose has lost 6 straight. I'll take the Spartans.

Bluffton (2-19, 2-10) at Hanover (11-9, 8-4)
I continue to give props to Bluffton for really playing much better late in the year despite a very poor record, but Hanover isn't losing this one at home.

Anderson (18-2, 10-2) at Franklin (8-12, 6-5)
Seems like AU is beginning to fade a bit but I'll still take em in another close one.

Transylvania (12-9, 8-4) at Defiance (16-5, 7-5)
DC is due for a big shooting performance from its guards, holds a big edge on TU inside, and should have won at Transy earlier. Jackets get it done this time around.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_star on February 05, 2010, 08:49:47 PM
Tomorrow's picks:
Mt. St. Joseph over Indiana University East
DC over Transylvania
Manchester over Rose-Hulman
Hanover over Bluffton
Anderson over Franklin

Hopefully I can improve my record to 9-0, but more importantly, I hope everyone travels safely to the games tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 06, 2010, 11:50:32 AM
Here we go... I know you all were worried I would not get my picks in on time.
Iu east vs MSJ-   tie   0-0
Manchester
Hanover
Franklin-   (upset making things a little interesting)
Defiance
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 06, 2010, 12:31:42 PM
Manchester
Hanover
Anderson
DC
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 06, 2010, 05:10:39 PM
Excellent ballgame in spite of anemic attendance.  Take it the snow is falling as far north as DC and the Transy folks get to experience an exciting evening at the Comfort Inn and Bud's for pie?  56.8% from field (45.2% from the arc) and nearly 83% from the line  - nice.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 06, 2010, 08:54:45 PM
Caves - I'm guessin the webcast numbers will be pretty high for today's games at DC, at Transy hardly brought any fans. The crowd was pretty normal on the side under the camera though.

Only 3 league games today with AU/MSJ getting moved to Monday and MSJ's non-conference game gettin cancelled also. The big news was Defiance and Manchester joining Anderson, Hanover and Transy in the six-team HCAC Tourney field. Should be just a matter of time before Franklin rounds out the field. So it's all about seeding now, and today's big loser was Transy, who dropped to the No. 4 seed, due to DC's win over AU getting the Jackets the tie-breaker.

If the tourney started today...

#6 Franklin at #3 Defiance --- winner gets #2 Hanover
#5 Manchester at #2 Transylvania --- winner gets #1 Anderson

Pickem was boring today, with all participents going 3-0. Updated standings...

Buzz 28-7
DC Backer 26-9
Zander 12-3
DC Star 7-0
WC 8-5
DC Has Been 3-2
Indy HCAC 5-4

We'll have to update this on Monday, with Buzz/Backer/Star having AU, and Zander takin FC in the upset special. A Grizzly upset would make things a bit more interesting for the regular season crown!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2010, 09:21:45 PM
According to my program, Manchester has not quite locked up a tourney spot, although it would take a rather unlikely sequence of results for them to miss.  (One more MSJ loss, or Manchester win,  will tip the scales--and even if MSJ wins out and Manchester loses out, Manchester would almost certainly come out on top based on tie-breakers.)


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Anderson10-15-05-1@ FC, vs. RHIT, vs. TU, vs. MC, @ HC
Hanover9-46-03-4vs. FC, @ RHIT, vs. AU
Defiance8-55-13-4vs. MSJ, vs. BU, @ FC
Transylvania8-56-12-4@ MSJ, @ AU, vs. MC
Manchester7-55-22-3@ BU, vs. FC, @ AU, @ TU
Franklin6-53-23-3vs. AU, @ HC, @ MC, vs. MSJ, vs. DC
Mount St. Joseph3-92-41-5vs. TU, @ DC, @ FC, vs. RHIT
Rose-Hulman2-102-50-5@ AU, @ BU, vs. HC, @ MSJ
Bluffton2-112-40-7vs. MC, vs. RHIT, @ DC



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  #7  #8  #9  
Anderson
83.37%12.87%3.27%0.49%0.00%0.00%------
Hanover
13.86%47.98%20.50%10.74%4.97%1.95%------
Defiance
0.30%9.16%31.79%34.27%17.93%6.55%------
Transylvania
1.34%16.79%23.44%21.22%28.24%8.97%------
Manchester
0.57%7.84%12.76%23.82%30.08%24.90%0.04%----
Franklin
0.56%5.36%8.24%9.46%18.78%56.57%1.03%----
Mount St. Joseph
--------0.00%1.06%61.44%26.57%10.92%
Rose-Hulman
------------27.95%45.24%26.81%
Bluffton
------------9.54%28.19%62.27%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 06, 2010, 11:01:15 PM
I just broke it down again, and Darryl is correct. If MC loses out and MSJ wins out, they'd tie at 7-9, and they split the season series, so it'd go to their record against Anderson and work down. Both were 0-2 against AU but MC would clinch with its split against Hanover IF the Panthers were still the #2 seed but if DC is the #2, then it'd go to MSJ, bc MSJ would have to win out to force the tie, meaning they would beat DC next Saturday and earn the split.

Of course, if DC loses that game to MSJ, it will be awfully tough for the Jackets to claim the #2 seed...so yeah, MC hasn't sealed it quite yet, at least not mathematically speaking.

A three-way tie between MC, FC and MSJ is also a possibility still, in which case due to several factors that are very difficult to explain, MSJ would again be the odd team out.

Basically MSJ might be better off taking their chances with the mathematical 1.04% chance then by having the games played.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 07, 2010, 02:11:21 AM
Looking at Darryl's info, it looks like there is a big fight for the 2 spot.  I think things will be interesting after this upcoming week.  Anderson has three games Monday, Wednesday, and Friday which is tough with their limited bench. 
I wouldn't want to be Franklin having to play Anderson Hanover, Manchester, and Defiance to finish the season. nor would I like to be in Manchester having 3 of four away and two of those against Transy and Anderson.  Which leads me to a question for all here.  Who has the easiest remain schedule?  IMO it's Defiance.  They have a great opportunity to win their remaining three.  Two at home and one at Franklin, a team that has to play five games in under two weeks.  I don't want to be too confident do to their inconsistent play at times and b/c their loss to Bluffton earlier, but they should be able to do it.  They just need Hanover to slip up twice and Transy once and that would lock up the 2 spot I believe.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 07, 2010, 03:32:50 PM
I wouldn't count on Hanover slipping up twice--They have Franklin and Anderson at HOME where they are undefeated this season and RH on the road. I think there is a good chance that the young Panthers may defeat both Franklin and Anderson especially if they hit all their free throws--

GO PANTHERS!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 08, 2010, 01:18:59 PM
Congrats to freshman Logan Wolfrum (Defiance College) on being named HCAC MBB Player of the Week. It is his second weekly honor, making him the only repeat selection this season in the HCAC on the men's side. Wolfrum has really become a very important part of DC's attack and seemed to be the team's go-to guy on Saturday against Transylvania.

It would be an interesting discussion to highlight the top young talent from around the league. Wolfrum would certainly be in that discussion, and I wonder if he is the frontrunner for Freshman of the Year? I'm sure that there are other very strong candidates though and curious what other names should be in that debate. Also be interested in naming a Sixth-Man Award, and Wolfrum would be DC's nominee for that as well in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 08, 2010, 03:05:13 PM
Congrats to Wolfrum! That is a great accomplishment to receive player of the week twice and especially as a freshman!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 08, 2010, 03:07:07 PM
zander, unfortunately I have to agree with you on Hanover.  I really don't see them dropping any of the three.  As I mentioned before, I don't see Anderson playing their best ball right now.  The question is, are they running out of gas having such a short bench?

Buzz, I agree that Wolfrum has had a great freshman season so far.  Hopefully he will bring a spark with him off the bench during the tourney time.  DC will need strong bench play in order to get into the finals.  I still feel like the starters are inconsistent.  
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 08, 2010, 10:13:19 PM
Anderson certainly looked back to being dominant tonight and took another step towards the regular season crown with a blowout of Franklin.

Buzz, Backer and Star had that one right, while Zander gambled on the upset and came up empty. Updated standings...

Buzz 29-7
Backer 27-9
Star 8-0
Zander 12-4
WC 8-5
HasBeen 3-2
Indy 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 09, 2010, 01:03:53 PM
Alright, here are the top freshman in the HCAC. Jump in if I am leaving someone out. I just went through the HCAC individual statistical rankings and pulled the freshmen from those reports.

Anderson - Phil Hogan ranks 10th in the league with 2.6 assists per game
Bluffton - Josh Fisher ranks 14th in ft% at 71.4
Defiance - Logan Wolfrum ranks 22nd in scoring (10.8), 8th in assists (2.9), 15th in steals (1.1), 6th in 3pt% (42.2), 11th in blocks (0.6)
Defiance - Brandon Campbell ranks 3rd in steals (1.7)
Franklin - Erwin Gunner ranks 23rd in scoring (10.8), 18th in rebounds (4.5), 2nd in 3pt% (49.0), 5th in blocks (1.1)
Hanover - Ryan Nowicki ranks 16th in scoring (11.6), 2nd in ft% (88.3), 5th in 3pt% (43.5)
Manchester - None
Mt. St. Joseph - None
Rose-Hulman - Jon Gerken ranks 16th in rebounds (4.6), 10th in blocks (0.7)
Rose-Hulman - Austin Weatherford ranks 9th in ft% (76.4)
Transylvania - Barrett Meyer ranks 8th in 3pt% (42.0)

From this list, the Freshman of the Year conversation probably starts and ends with the trio of Ryan Nowicki (HC), Erwin Gunner (FC) and Logan Wolfrum (DC), while Barrett Meyer (TU) and Jon Gerken (RH) would round out my All-Freshmen Team. Although Brandon Campbell (DC) and Phil Hogan (AU) are both very solid as well.

How would that team do in the league? Might lack size, but four of the top eight in 3pt% are on that squad...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 09, 2010, 08:47:17 PM
WOW! that is a great list of young talent contributing to the HCAC this year--It's nice to see the freshmen having such an impact around the league.

It will be fun to watch them compete in the tourney and really earn their stripes-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 09, 2010, 10:05:21 PM
Yup and we could have a great discussion about all of the impact sophomores around the HCAC as well. The HCAC really has a youthful look to it and it is exciting to see this new wave of talent, which I think will elevate the league's rep around the nation.

I'm going off the top of my head - which is usually very bad - but I am wanting to say that Anderson, Hanover, Franklin and Manchester are all returning ALL starters next year. That's four of the top six teams in the conference, set to only get stronger in 2010-2011!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 10, 2010, 12:00:21 AM
Ok, here is my ballot for HCAC Freshman of the Year. In no order.

Logan Wolfrum (6-4 / Guard / 22 gp, 8 gs)
---10.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.1 spg, .55 bpg
---43.4 fg%, 42.2 3pt% (2.0 makes p/g), 85.7 ft%
---Numbers slightly lower in HCAC action, scoring double digits in 7 of last 8
---Top reserve on third-place DC and 2x-HCAC POW

Ryan Nowicki (6-0 / Guard / 21 gp, 19 gs)
---11.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.2 bpg
---44.1 fg%, 43.5 3pt% (1.9 makes p/g), 88.3 ft%
---Scoring 12.5 ppg during HCAC play
---Starter on 2nd place Hanover squad

Erwin Gunner (6-5 / Forward / 20 gp, 16 gs)
---10.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.8 apg, 0.7 spg, 1.1 bpg
---51.4 fg%, 49.0 3pt% (1.2 makes p/g), 63.9 ft%
---Slight uptick in numbers in HCAC play
---Starter on 6th place Franklin squad

That's a tough one and I have seen far more of Wolfrum than the other two, but very strong cases could be made for all three.

Going back to the All-Frosh Team, how's this for a starting lineup. This unit could win some games and actually has more size than I initially thought.

G - Logan Wolfrum (6-4 / Defiance)
G - Ryan Nowicki (6-0 / Hanover)
G - Barrett Meyer (6-2 / Transylvania)
F - Erwin Gunner (6-5 / Franklin)
F - Jon Gerken (6-6 / Rose-Hulman)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 10, 2010, 12:17:18 AM
Time to make my Wednesday picks...

Rose-Hulman (6-15, 2-10) at Anderson (19-2, 11-1)
This is AU's second game in three days, which could be trouble for the short Raven bench. But they got plenty of rest in the blowout of Franklin Monday and should have plenty in the tank to handle RH at home. Saturday could be a different story though...

Transylvania (12-10, 8-5) at Mt. St. Joseph (8-12, 3-9)
Pioneers are 3-9 on the road but the Mount looks like a team that has packed it in, losing 9 of last 10, including a 29-point shallacking to TU. Transy won't slip up here.

Manchester (13-8, 7-5) at Bluffton (2-20, 2-11)
The Spartans won the first go-around by nine, even with 23 turnovers and 11 trifectas from Bluffton. So gotta go MC here right? Wrong, UPSET SPECIAL, as Beavers relish the spoilar role in Founders.

Franklin (8-13, 6-6) at Hanover (12-9, 9-4)
FC's last win vs a team with a winning record came against Hanover (74-70), when Conoley shined while Meyer spent most of the night on the bench in heavy foul trouble. Doubt that matchup is so one-sided this time around, and HC is 6-0 in HCAC action at home, Panthers get revenge here.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 10, 2010, 09:15:17 AM
Anderson
TU
Bluffton
Hanover
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 10, 2010, 11:07:00 AM
Quote from: Buzz on February 09, 2010, 10:05:21 PM
Yup and we could have a great discussion about all of the impact sophomores around the HCAC as well. The HCAC really has a youthful look to it and it is exciting to see this new wave of talent, which I think will elevate the league's rep around the nation.

I'm going off the top of my head - which is usually very bad - but I am wanting to say that Anderson, Hanover, Franklin and Manchester are all returning ALL starters next year. That's four of the top six teams in the conference, set to only get stronger in 2010-2011!

Hanover will be losing Senior Point Guard Jake Inman ( a very tough, hard-working player who can really bring some offense) The rest of the starters should be returning which will make for another exciting year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 10, 2010, 11:52:32 AM
Quote from: Buzz on February 10, 2010, 12:00:21 AM
Ok, here is my ballot for HCAC Freshman of the Year. In no order.

Logan Wolfrum (6-4 / Guard / 22 gp, 8 gs)
---10.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.1 spg, .55 bpg
---43.4 fg%, 42.2 3pt% (2.0 makes p/g), 85.7 ft%
---Numbers slightly lower in HCAC action, scoring double digits in 7 of last 8
---Top reserve on third-place DC and 2x-HCAC POW

Ryan Nowicki (6-0 / Guard / 21 gp, 19 gs)
---11.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.2 bpg
---44.1 fg%, 43.5 3pt% (1.9 makes p/g), 88.3 ft%
---Scoring 12.5 ppg during HCAC play
---Starter on 2nd place Hanover squad

Erwin Gunner (6-5 / Forward / 20 gp, 16 gs)
---10.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.8 apg, 0.7 spg, 1.1 bpg
---51.4 fg%, 49.0 3pt% (1.2 makes p/g), 63.9 ft%
---Slight uptick in numbers in HCAC play
---Starter on 6th place Franklin squad

That's a tough one and I have seen far more of Wolfrum than the other two, but very strong cases could be made for all three.

Going back to the All-Frosh Team, how's this for a starting lineup. This unit could win some games and actually has more size than I initially thought.

G - Logan Wolfrum (6-4 / Defiance)
G - Ryan Nowicki (6-0 / Hanover)
G - Barrett Meyer (6-2 / Transylvania)
F - Erwin Gunner (6-5 / Franklin)
F - Jon Gerken (6-6 / Rose-Hulman)
Being a DC alum, I still would go with the kid from Hanover.  Especially because his stats are better during HCAC play versus dropping like Wolfrum's.  Wolfrum hit a slump that looks like he is out of now, but still Nowicki has been more consistent and is starting on a squad that is playing very well in the second half of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 10, 2010, 05:33:43 PM
I also like the kid from Hanover for Freshman of the Year


Picks for Wed:
Anderson
Transy
Hanover
Manchester
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_star on February 10, 2010, 06:06:45 PM
Anderson
Transylvania
Manchester
Hanover
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 10, 2010, 09:38:19 PM
Looks like the favored teams all held serve Wednesday with Anderson, Hanover, Transylvania and Manchester all picking up victories. Manchester has now locked itself into the HCAC Tourney 100%, while Franklin moves another game closer thanks to MSJ's loss. Big winner is Transy, who moves back into the No. 3 position by .5 game over the idle Defiance squad. More random notes...

-HC's Nowicki had another statement game, leading Hanover with 16 points
-TU's Meyer drained four more trifectas for 14 points
-BU shot 3-17 from deep in its loss to Manchester

Pickem Update...

Zander and DC Star went 4-for-4, while Buzz and Backer missed with the Bluffton upset special and settled for a 3-1 night. Standings...

Buzz 32-8
Zander 16-4
Backer 30-10
Star 12-0
WC 8-5
HasBeen 3-2
Indy 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2010, 07:27:36 AM
After last night's results, the field is nearly set, as one more win by AU clinches the #1 seed, and one more win for Franklin locks MSJ out of the top 6.


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Anderson12-16-06-1vs. TU, vs. MC, @ HC
Hanover10-47-03-4@ RHIT, vs. AU
Transylvania9-56-13-4@ AU, vs. MC
Manchester8-55-23-3vs. FC, @ AU, @ TU
Defiance8-55-13-4vs. MSJ, vs. BU, @ FC
Franklin6-73-33-4@ MC, vs. MSJ, vs. DC
Mount St. Joseph3-102-51-5@ DC, @ FC, vs. RHIT
Rose-Hulman2-112-50-6@ BU, vs. HC, @ MSJ
Bluffton2-122-50-7vs. RHIT, @ DC



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  #7  #8  #9 
Anderson
93.95%6.05%--------------
Hanover
6.05%67.58%22.27%3.71%0.39%--------
Transylvania
--14.06%29.69%25.59%30.66%--------
Defiance
--2.54%28.71%44.14%22.27%2.34%------
Manchester
--9.77%19.34%25.78%38.67%6.45%------
Franklin
------0.78%8.01%90.14%1.07%----
Mount St. Joseph
----------1.07%65.73%24.94%8.25%
Rose-Hulman
------------26.88%45.89%27.23%
Bluffton
------------6.31%29.17%64.51%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 11, 2010, 03:46:03 PM
Thanks again Darryl for the updates!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 12, 2010, 08:20:59 AM
CONGRATS go out to Hanover's Mitchell Meyer who scored his 1,000 career point against Franklin on Wed. night. Meyer is the 33rd player to accomplish this goal. I don't know how many of those 33 players were juniors, but that even makes the accomplishment more impressive--

Finish strong Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 12, 2010, 04:05:55 PM
Saturday's picks...

Bluffton over Rose-Hulman
Defiance over MSJ
Anderson over Transylvania
Manchester over Franklin

Pretty safe picks...taking the higher seeds on their home courts, except for No. 9 Bluffton at home against No. 8 R-H
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_star on February 12, 2010, 06:18:50 PM
Saturday's picks:

DC over Mt. St. Joseph
Anderson over Transylvania
Rose-Hulman over Bluffton
Manchester over Franklin

Should be exciting down the stretch as the teams fight for positioning in the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 12, 2010, 06:48:38 PM
black and gold_ Beitzel retired 2 years ago. Jon miller is at the helm. One of his ex-players
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 12, 2010, 06:52:20 PM
oops. 2nd stringer mistake. i was commenting on the last post on the first page... way back in 2005...... my bad!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on February 13, 2010, 01:05:52 AM
I'll take:

Anderson
Bluffton
Defiance
Franklin

What are everyone's thoughts for POY in the conference? 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 13, 2010, 08:07:40 AM
defiance
anderson
bluffton
manchester
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 13, 2010, 12:21:07 PM
I've got to make my move on buzz.
DC
AU
RHIT
Manchester
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 13, 2010, 12:42:36 PM
Perhaps a difference in generations, but

Quote from: Jackets Backer on February 13, 2010, 12:21:07 PM
I've got to make my move on buzz.

that just doesn't sound right.  What happened to "catch a buzz" and make a move?
;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2010, 04:55:06 PM
After cutting an 18-point second-half deficit to 1 with 10 seconds to go, the Beavers fall to RHIT 65-62.  It's small consolation for a 2-13 conference record, but all but two of BU's HCAC losses have been by single digits, with 6 decided by 5 or fewer points.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 13, 2010, 07:45:49 PM
Guess I have to choose my words more wisely with a sly one like Cave lingering in the weeds looking to pounce on this board.  ;D

DC needs to finish this thing off strong this week with two games they should coast in. Obviously Bluffton picked the off earlier this season, so I'm sure the Jackets will have their antennas up come Wednesday night on Senior night.

Anderson drops one at home today to Transy, not sure Anderson is giving it their full effort with things pretty much wrapped up. They better wrap it up against Manchester Wednesday or that game at Hanover gets MIGHTY interesting next Saturday. Not sure the tiebreaker scenario between Hanover and AU, but that would be quite the contest to end the regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on February 13, 2010, 07:53:56 PM
Had a chance to see AU v Transy.  Transy came out on fire hitting 9 of their first 10 3's (all in the first 11 min if I remember correctly).  AU fought back but ultimately didn't play the D down the stretch to get the win.  Also I played D3 bball and have seen my fair share of HCAC games but this was some of the worst officiating I have seen in a long time for both sides.  Phantom fouls called one time and bodies/elbows flying the next with no call.  Oh who am I kidding, it was just another Saturday of HCAC reffing. 

Also, I think AU will be okay.  They played basically their 4th straight game without Bowman (he was hurt 1 min into the Bluffton game).  Once they get him back and hopefully regain some defensive intensity they should be back to normal.  It's definitely going to be an interesting tourney no matter what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 13, 2010, 10:13:03 PM
Pickem update..Backer and Star go 3-1, Buzz and Zander go 2-2 and WC goes 1-3. Standings look like...

Buzz 34-10
Backer 33-11
Star 15-1
Zander 18-6
WC 9-8
HasBenn 3-2
Indy 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 13, 2010, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: wc4252 on February 13, 2010, 01:05:52 AM
What are everyone's thoughts for POY in the conference? 

Man that's a good question. MSJ's Romes has a considerable edge in points but I don't think his team has done enough to put him in consideration. The only other senior I see in the picture would be DC's Nick Sales. Other candidates would be AU's Brock Morrison - but he's only a soph. and I could see several Ravens splitting their votes. So then what? Will Conoley and Franklin's 6th place, sub .500 team? Mitchell Meyer on Hanover despite his somewhat down year by his standards? It really does seem wide open.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 14, 2010, 12:12:23 AM
This year is finishing up pretty interesting!  Between spot 2 and 5 anything can happen when it comes to the tournament.  I'm still hoping DC finishes strong and Hanover drops their last two ;D.  Plus Transy would need to drop one too, but anything can happen. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2010, 08:52:20 AM
Whether it was because I was distracted by the Olympics last night, or just because I was suppressing the unpleasant feelings from yesterday's loss, I forgot to post the updated table.  It looks like someone gave me some "pity karma" last night, so I figured I ought to earn it ...


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Anderson12-26-16-1vs. MC, @ HC
Hanover10-47-03-4@ RHIT, vs. AU
Transylvania10-56-14-4vs. MC
Manchester9-56-23-3@ AU, @ TU
Defiance9-56-13-4vs. BU, @ FC
Franklin6-83-33-5vs. MSJ, vs. DC
Mount St. Joseph3-112-51-6@ FC, vs. RHIT
Rose-Hulman3-112-51-6vs. HC, @ MSJ
Bluffton2-132-60-7@ DC



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Tournament?
Anderson
87.50%12.50%--------Yes
Hanover
12.50%46.88%29.69%7.81%3.12%--Yes
Transylvania
--23.44%31.25%15.62%29.69%--Yes
Defiance
--4.69%23.44%46.88%25.00%--Yes
Manchester
--12.50%15.62%29.69%42.19%--Yes
Franklin
----------100.00%Yes
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RavenFan on February 15, 2010, 12:27:57 PM
Greetings All!!  First time poster...long time reader.  The officiating was awful in the Ravens' loss to the Pioneers on Saturday.  Bad both ways but is sure bit the Ravens in the end.  However, the Ravens had too many turnovers and defensive lapses.  We should not have been in the position to get beat by free throws.

The Pioneers, like so many HCAC teams are always so well prepared and disciplined.  Hopefully the Ravens can come out mad and seal the deal against a good Manchester team on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on February 15, 2010, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on February 13, 2010, 07:45:49 PMNot sure the tiebreaker scenario between Hanover and AU, but that would be quite the contest to end the regular season.

The HCAC seems to have taken all the tiebreaker formulas off their website when they went to the new format.  I too would like to be able to look at that.

If Anderson loses out and Hanover wins out, they would both be 12-4 and 1-1 against each other.  Now, IIRC, the next tie breaker is to check records by going down the standings until the tie is broken.  Well, they both would be 1-1 against both Transy and Manchester, so those two would be washes no matter where they fall in the standings.  Anderson's 4th loss would be to Defiance, where Hanover's 4th loss would be to Franklin.  So, if I remember the tie-breaker correctly, I believe a tie goes to Hanover since Defiance will be higher in the standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2010, 01:45:44 PM
If the tie-breaker criteria have not changed, the procedure looks something like this (from memory):

1) Ties are broken from the bottom of the standings up.
2) Within a group of tied teams, raise teams with more wins against the rest of the group, and drop teams with fewer wins in the group
3) If step 2 fails to resolve a tied group, compare records against the rest of the conference, beginning at the top of the standings.
4) Within a tied group of 3 or more teams, any time a team is raised or lowered by a tie-breaker criterion, the process reverts to step 2.
5) If ties are not broken by the above, use (a) The NCAA Quality-of-win-index and then (b) Win-loss percentage in-region.

I think after that, it could come down to a coin flip.

My program takes 1-4 into account; I think that it reported that all potential ties all breakable without reverting to step 5.  (I have the program on my computer at home, so I cannot confirm this right now.)



Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 15, 2010, 08:39:03 PM
Yep, a tie would mean Hanover would host the Tourney. In order for Hanover to force a tie, Anderson would have to lose the Manchester and Hanover, meaning they would have split with Hanover, Transylvania, Defiance and Manchester. On the flip side, Hanover would have split with Anderson, Transylvania and Manchester but would win the tie-break with a season sweep of Defiance.

It still looks good for Anderson, but a game against Manchester can't be counted as a gimme no matter where it is played. If Mitch Scheafer is feeling it, MC could pull the upset and set the stage for a HUGE game on Saturday between AU and HC on the Panthers' home court.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 15, 2010, 11:21:51 PM
I'm just trying to figure where I want to see DC seeded going into the tournament?  Where ever they get placed, I want to see them get one more shot at Hanover!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 16, 2010, 09:15:46 AM
Has Been, you're not the only one that hopes the Jackets get another shot at Hanover. I'm hoping for a 3 seed for the Jackets, although it got tougher with Transy's win over AU.

Looking more and more like the 4 for DC. With Transy beating Anderson, that's going to help them in a tiebreaker with DC since they beat Hanover once and DC lost twice. I think the Jackets would much rather be the 3 and host a very youthful Franklin team next Tuesday in the quarterfinals. Instead they'll get a very dangerous Manchester team that's played them tough twice until about 5 minutes were left in both games. Like Buzz said, a game against Manchester can't be counted as a gimme.

The path for a 3 would be home with Franklin, vs. Hanover or Anderson Friday and then the finals. You could also avoid playing on an opponents home floor if they lost in the semis.

Being a 4 would be home with Manchester, at Anderson or Hanover and then the finals. Winning the first two games in this scenario would be mighty tough just to get to the finals. The current seniors went to Franklin as freshmen and won as the four seed to get to the finals against Transy so it's not impossible.

A rematch with Hanover in the finals for all the marbles would be great. I just want to see DC get to the finals and the seniors rewarded for all their efforts with a trip to the Big Dance. 

Whoever gets hot on the 26th and 27th is going to come out on top. Anderson's been dominate but are obviously not unbeatable and with Bowman injured they've become even more beatable.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 16, 2010, 12:19:56 PM
I agree with you that it will probably be a 4 for DC in the tournament.  Unless Manchester can pull a W over Transy on the 20th, I don't see the three insight. 
I like the idea of the three b/c in my head I see DC beating Franklin then taking down Anderson, and finally getting there chance to take out Hanover in the finals for being swept during the regular season. This scenario would give DC an automatic bid to the big Tournament.   
If only thing could go the way I want them to! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 16, 2010, 01:56:03 PM
All I can say to the Defiance posters is be careful what you wish for.....it's not like Hanover "just got lucky" to beat Defiance twice--- They are on a seven game winning streak and are playing their best ball of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 16, 2010, 02:38:42 PM
I think the best-case scenario for Defiance would be to get the No. 3 seed and to have Hanover get the No. 1 seed. That'd let DC host Franklin on Tuesday - a matchup that should really favor the Jackets. Then, DC would get Anderson on a neutral court and hope that Transylvania or Manchester takes out Hanover in the other Semifinal. None of those seem very likely though. I think Anderson, Hanover and Defiance all have a very good chance to get it done regardless of the location or seeding. Anderson has been the team to beat all year and would be very tough to upend on their court, Hanover is the hottest over the last several weeks and while DC has been pretty inconsistant, it has the weapons to take down any HCAC squad in any venue on the right night.

As far as DC fans wanting a crack at Hanover... I think that has more to do with the fact that DC's former coach is now at Hanover and less to do with anyone viewing the Panthers as a cupcake. In my opinion, HC is probably the worst matchup for Defiance and is the team to avoid but it would be very sweet for Jacket fans to score that win in the tourney.


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 16, 2010, 06:16:58 PM
Zander, the reason I want DC to face Hanover again is for vengeance.  No one stated that Hanover "just got lucky" to beat Defiance twice.  Hanover beat DC fair and square because they had the better squad that day and I don't think anyone would argue with that. 
If someone beats me I want to get another shot at them.   I won't give up till I do beat them or I don't get anymore chances.  I can't say I have always been sucessful with that attitude, but I at least failed giving it my all!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 16, 2010, 09:58:37 PM
No one said Hanover "just got lucky" against Defiance. Hanover has played DC tougher than any team in the league this season obviously. Buzz said it, DC wanting a crack at Hanover has more to do with the fact that DC's former mentor is now there. I can't fault Miller for leaving DC for his alma mater but as a competitor you always want to beat your former coach a little bit more than just some other opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 17, 2010, 06:54:42 AM
Oh now I get it....I thought you were saying Hanover would be as easier route to the conference tourney championship than Anderson which I wasn't so sure of at this point in the season-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 17, 2010, 09:46:38 AM
As a DC fan, Hanover scares the heck out of me just because Miller knows DC's players probably better than most of his own since he's coached at HC for less than two years. He coached DC's seniors for two years and recruited the sophomores and likely knows quite a bit about the freshman as well having been to a lot of their high school games when they were juniors in high school. If you look at it, he's actually coached and been around DC's seniors, the core of this year's team, for three years with recruiting for a year and then two years while they played for him.


DC was fortunate to win the last two games last season against Hanover and we all know what happened this year. Hanover has really dictated the action the last four times they've played DC. Hanover just seems to be a step ahead of the Jackets and Miller is a huge reason why. I think the key for DC if they play Hanover again is to get a lead early and make Hanover play from behind. If memory serves me right without looking at the last four matchups, Hanover has really controlled the tenor in each one of those games and led the majority of the time. I feel like Hanover would have to really change its gameplan if DC could get up by 10-12 points and make the Panthers hurry up a bit more on offense.

DC first needs to worry about Bluffton tonight, Franklin Saturday, then Manchester or Franklin next Tuesday. There's a lot of ball to be played before a DC-Hanover rematch happens in the semis or finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 17, 2010, 09:53:51 AM
Perfectly understandable misinterpretation, "Z", particularly when trying to decipher northwestern Ohio dialect.  :D ;D 

From a curmudgeon's point of view, I'd like to see a Hanover-DC match up for two reasons.  Miller has dominated the chess board in both previous games at the right time and hope to see Defiance reverse the trend (Experigentia docet?).  Second, there was a lot of blackbird woofing during the first half of the season, and a premature, southerly migration of Anderson's season would ease the digestion for the other participants.  ;)

Love red letter warnings - the eloquent purveyor of sports news beat me to the punchline, again...  ;D  +k for timing and musical interpretation of "pitch versus speed."
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 17, 2010, 01:54:09 PM
Come on cave2bens, you curmudgeon?! :D  I would go with one of the intelligentsia's point of view or high-brow's point of view would be more suited for you.  I've yet to see the stubborn side...yet ;)!

Jackets Backer, well said in regards to DC vs. Hanover match up, but more importantly, DC has a few games to win first before we can get back to the topic of DC vs. Hanover.

By the way, what happend to DC_SID???
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 17, 2010, 02:47:29 PM
More reason to hope Hanover loses at some point in the tourney...Anderson and Defiance have decent shots at gaining at-large bids to the NCAA Tourney if either misses out in the HCAC Tourney. If Hanover wins it though, Anderson would go ahead of Defiance and I can't see three HCAC squads making the cut...

Anyway, here are my picks for tonight...

Bluffton (2-22, 2-13) at Defiance (18-5, 9-5) - DC is better in almost every stat, DC is deeper, DC is bigger and DC should be pretty ticked after getting blown out at Founders. Plus, what are the odds that a team could go 3-22 with 2 of the 3 coming against the same team? Especially when that team has been flirting with a top-25 ranking most of the year? Jackets win tonight on Senior Night.

Hanover (13-9, 10-4) at Rose-Hulman (7-16, 3-11) - Jon Miller teams are typically very strong on the road, so its tough to imagine the Panthers slipping up here. A win clinches the No. 2 seed for Hanover.

Manchester (15-8, 9-5) at Anderson (20-3, 12-2) - Too bad AU doesn't do any sort of live stats or webcast, bc I'd love to follow this one closely.  I'm thinking AU better take care of business tonight to avoid from having to play for the HCAC Title on Saturday at Hanover.

MSJ (8-14, 3-11) at Franklin (8-15, 6-8) - This game has no impact on anything, but MSJ has lost 11 of 12 and so I'll take Franklin on its home court.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_star on February 17, 2010, 03:02:03 PM
Tonights picks :

DC over Bluffton
Hanover over Rose-Hulman
Anderson over Manchester
Franklin over Mt. St. Joseph

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 17, 2010, 03:36:35 PM
my picks are the same as DC-star
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 17, 2010, 05:18:48 PM
Buzz, I see you're waiting for my picks so you can just cherry pick mine and not lose your whisker thin edge over me.

DC, have to think the Jackets should ... well, be as mad as a Yellow Jacket awaken from a long winter slumber tonight with their bitter rival in town. I

HC

AU, they better win this one because I don't think they'll want to enter a hornets nest on Saturday for the title. I still don't understand how Anderson doesn't have any live stats, the only team in the league mind you, and most of the time the radio broadcast is off the air. A lot more should be being done to promote a team that's been in the Top 25 most of the year.

Franklin
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 17, 2010, 11:23:19 PM
I've been known make these announcements too soon, BUT I think the tourney field is just about set with Anderson and Hanover's wins tonight and the combo of DC's win and Manchester's loss. So the only thing up in the air for Saturday is the 3 and 4 seeds and Transy is the No. 3 unless they lose at home to Manchester and Defiance wins at Franklin.

#1 Anderson
#2 Hanover
#3/4 Transylvania/Defiance
#5 Manchester
#6 Franklin
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 01:30:48 AM
All participants went 3-1 tonight in pickem, with MSJ spoiling the party with its win at Franklin. Updated standings with one day left in the regular season...

Buzz 37-11
DC Backer 36-10
DC Star 18-2
Zander 21-7
WC 9-8
HasBeen 3-2
Indy 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on February 18, 2010, 10:58:46 AM
With only 1 day of regular season basketball remaining, I thought I'd post the scenarios.

Anderson has clinched the championship outright and the #1 seed.
Hanover clinches the #2 seed if they win, Defiance wins, or Transylvania loses.  They move to #3 otherwise.
Transylvania clinches #2 if they win, Hanover loses, and Defiance loses.  Otherwise, Transylvania clinches #3 if they win over Manchester.  They will be #5 with a loss.
Defiance clinches #3 if Manchester beats Transylvania.  They will be #4 otherwise.
Manchester clinches #4 with a win over Transylvania.  They will be #5 otherwise.
Franklin is locked into #6.

So, for you fans that want a DC/Hanover rematch in the semi-finals, you're looking for a Manchester win on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 11:28:13 AM
Altor - Doesn't Hanover have the #2 locked up? Even if they lose and Transy wins, they both split with Anderson and split their head to head, but Hanover swept Defiance and Transy split, so the Panthers get the tiebreaker. Defiance is locked in as the 4 - via their sweep of Manchester, so any tiebreak scenario with Hanover/Transy would end at Defiance and favor  Hanover.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 11:29:59 AM
Wait....Hanover hasn't beaten Anderson have they? So if Hanover loses to Anderson, Transy would gain the No. 2 seed with a win against Manchester on Saturday. Wow, that changes everything.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on February 18, 2010, 11:52:31 AM
Exactly.

Transy wins the 2-way tie with Hanover.  They split their series, but Anderson will have beaten Hanover twice where Transy went 1-1.

But, Hanover wins the three-way tie with Transy and Defiance, since they would be 3-1 head-to-head.  Transy split both series (2-2), and Defiance at 1-3.

Hanover wins a two way tie with Defiance by virtue of the series sweep.

Defiance wins the three-way tie with Transy and Manchester with a 3-1 record, Manchester at 2-2, Transy at 1-3.

Manchester wins the two-way tie with Transy via the series sweep.

I think that covers it.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 18, 2010, 11:53:21 AM
It's crazy to see how this season has played out.  There are still 2-5 spot still not locked down with everyone's last game this Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 11:56:22 AM
Wow, great work Altor...and once again...i made my announcements way to early! haha.

So, basically DC's game at Franklin is absolutely meaningless. If Transy wins, Defiance is the 4 and hosts Manchester Tuesday. If Transy loses, Defiance is the 3 and hosts Franklin.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on February 18, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 11:56:22 AM
So, basically DC's game at Franklin is absolutely meaningless has no effect on their seed.

Fixed that for you.

I'm not really a believer that DC is even on the bubble for an at-large bid.  But, another loss to a subpar team would certainly finish them off.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 12:16:38 PM
Ok, sorry but I gotta type this all out to get it to make sense in my head!

-If TU and HC win, HC is the 2, TU is the 3, DC is the 4, MC the 5
-If TU wins and HC loses, TU is the 2, HC is the 3, DC the 4, MC the 5
-If TU loses, HC is the 2, DC is the 3, MC is the 4 and TU is the 5

Is that basically the three scenarios? Or am I still leaving something out? I love this stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: altor on February 18, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 11:56:22 AM
So, basically DC's game at Franklin is absolutely meaningless has no effect on their seed.

Fixed that for you.

I'm not really a believer that DC is even on the bubble for an at-large bid.  But, another loss to a subpar team would certainly finish them off.

Well right, but it is meaningless in regards to seeding for the HCAC Tournament. If DC has any shot for an at-large, it would be wiped out with a loss to Franklin.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2010, 12:47:35 PM
Quote from: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 12:16:38 PM
Ok, sorry but I gotta type this all out to get it to make sense in my head!

-If TU and HC win, HC is the 2, TU is the 3, DC is the 4, MC the 5
-If TU wins and HC loses, TU is the 2, HC is the 3, DC the 4, MC the 5
-If TU loses, HC is the 2, DC is the 3, MC is the 4 and TU is the 5

Is that basically the three scenarios? Or am I still leaving something out? I love this stuff.

Nope, that covers it.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on February 18, 2010, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 12:16:38 PM
-If TU wins and HC loses, TU is the 2, HC is the 3, DC the 4, MC the 5

No.
If TU wins and HC loses and DC wins:  HC is 2, TU is 3,  DC is 4, MC is 5.
If TU wins and HC loses and DC loses:  TU is 2, HC is 3, DC is 4, MC is 5.

Transy wins the 2-way tie, but Hanover wins the 3-way tie.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on February 18, 2010, 02:47:06 PM
The radio broadcast for all of AU's games are available on the Anderson website.  I've listened to about 5 or 6 and have always been able to get it.

Congrats to AU on the championship, hopefully they can make it through the tourney now.  I'm not confident they get in without the auto-bid.  I can't believe they are only 7th in the regional rankings.  I know they don't have a great in-region win but I don't think they get an at large with that regional ranking.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on February 18, 2010, 02:55:33 PM
Yeah, the problem with both AU and DC getting an at large bid is that they are both currently behind at least 2 other Pool C teams in the regional rankings (and those two are from the same conference).

I just don't see how either of them even get "on the board" with those rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2010, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: altor on February 18, 2010, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: Buzz on February 18, 2010, 12:16:38 PM
-If TU wins and HC loses, TU is the 2, HC is the 3, DC the 4, MC the 5

No.
If TU wins and HC loses and DC wins:  HC is 2, TU is 3,  DC is 4, MC is 5.
If TU wins and HC loses and DC loses:  TU is 2, HC is 3, DC is 4, MC is 5.

Transy wins the 2-way tie, but Hanover wins the 3-way tie.

I think that in the case of a three-way tie, when counting the number of wins vs. the other teams in the group, the WEAKEST team is dropped (and then the tie-breaking procedure restarts) -- rather than arranging the teams in order from most to least wins.  I don't remember if the HCAC web site supplied this detail when the tie-breaker procedure was listed there; I believe that this question came up on this board in a previous season (but I don't have the energy or time to scan the archives to go looking for that earlier conversation -- someone else, please feel free to do so).

That would mean that in a three-way tie between HC, TU, and DC:
HC would be 3-1 against DC and TU
TU would be 2-2 against HC and DC
DC would be 1-3 against HC and TU.

DC would be dropped to the #4 seed, and then the tie-breaking procedure would restart for HC/TU.  In this scenario, HC would have been swept by AU, while TU split with them, so TU gets the #2 seed.

Of course, depending on Saturday's results, we may find out that my recollection/interpretation of that tie-breaker rule is wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2010, 04:06:48 PM
I found the earlier discussion, from February 2007.  Included is a quote from the tie-breaker explanation at the HCAC Web site (as it appeared at that time).

This still does not provide an authoritative answer to the question, since most of the statements here were mine.  (I had thought that there were more people involved in the discussion back then.)

Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2007, 06:01:04 PM
Here is the tie-breaker, taken directly from the HCAC web site (misspellings and all):
QuoteHCAC standings are established by regular season will determine seeding positions
When ties in the final regular season standings occur the following steps will be used to break these ties.

  • Head-to-head competition
  • Competition against rank/order of regular season standings
  • If these two steps do not break the tie than a coin toss will be used

    • If the final standings have more than one tie then lower ties are resolved first
    • If there are multiple ties for a position, the tiebreaker process must start from the beginning each time a team is eliminated from teh tie
    • If there are more than two teams in an unbreakable tie than a lottery will be used to determine the seed positions

Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2007, 09:47:40 PM
Here's the reasoning, as I see it, and as I implemented it in my program. I've highlighted (in boldface) a crucial interpretation of the rules which, if incorrect, would lead to a slight change in final standings ....

For any scenario ending with MSJ, DC, and HC in a three-way tie for 4th place, we first do head-to-head competition, meaning (as I interpret it) we count how many wins each team has within that group.

  • DC went 3-1 (1-1 vs. MSJ, 2-0 vs. HC)
  • HC went 2-2 (2-0 vs. MSJ, 0-2 vs. DC)
  • MSJ went 1-3 (1-1 vs. DC, 0-2 vs. HC)
Here is where I made a crucial interpretation of the rules which others might read differently:  Taking the requirements that

  • "... lower ties are resolved first," and
  • "If there are multiple ties for a position, the tiebreaker process must start from the beginning each time a team is eliminated from the tie,"
I interpreted that in a situation like this, we drop the lower team (MSJ), rather than raising the higher team (DC), and then we start over. Therefore, MSJ drops to 6th place, and we now must break the tie between DC and HC.  In this case, the result is the same either way: DC takes 4th place by virtue of their sweep of HC.

There are other scenarios that lead to FC, MSJ, and HC in a three-way tie for 4th.  In that case:

  • FC went 3-1 (1-1 vs. MSJ, 2-0 vs. HC)
  • HC went 2-2 (2-0 vs. MSJ, 0-2 vs. FC)
  • MSJ went 1-3 (1-1 vs. FC, 0-2 vs. HC)
Everything proceeds as before: MSJ drops to 6th, then we compare FC and HC head-to-head, and FC takes 4th place because of their sweep over HC.  (Once again, my interpretation of the rules does not affect the outcome here.)

In the event of a three-way tie among MSJ/TU/HC or MC/TU/HC, my interpretation makes a difference.  Take the latter tie, for example. Within this group:

  • TU went 2-2 (1-1 vs. MC, 1-1 vs. HC)
  • HC went 3-1 (2-0 vs. MC, 1-1 vs. TU)
  • MC went 1-3 (1-1 vs. TU, 0-2 vs. HC)
By my application of the tie-breaker, we drop MC, then start over.  HC and TU split the series, so head-to-head doesn't break the tie. Now we move on to "Competition against rank/order of regular season standings," which (as I understand it) means, compare each team in the tie group to the other teams, from the top of the standings down.  The teams at the top of the standings would include (in some order) FC, BU, and DC;  both TU and HC would be even against BU, but HC was swept by both FC and DC, while TU would have split against both. With a different interpretation of the tie-breaker, we could instead drop MC and raise HC (thus giving HC the #4 seed). 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 18, 2010, 09:16:05 PM
I thought I had this figured out, but after reading the last four or five posts I'm even more confused with how the 2-3-4 seeds are going to play out.  ???

The Jackets have to win three next week and that's all I'm going to worry about.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 19, 2010, 09:37:49 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on February 18, 2010, 09:16:05 PM
I thought I had this figured out, but after reading the last four or five posts I'm even more confused with how the 2-3-4 seeds are going to play out.  ???

The Jackets have to win three next week and that's all I'm going to worry about.

That last profundity demystifies the conundrum for all six participants.  Win three then "wait and see" or lose and concentrate on track and baseball practice.  Well done, JF!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 19, 2010, 01:15:41 PM
Quote from: altor on February 18, 2010, 02:55:33 PM
Yeah, the problem with both AU and DC getting an at large bid is that they are both currently behind at least 2 other Pool C teams in the regional rankings (and those two are from the same conference).

I just don't see how either of them even get "on the board" with those rankings.

I'm always at a loss at how the "at-large" bids are chosen, but does the fact that AU has been consistently ranked in the top 25 nationally all year give them a spot or not necessarily? Is there a limit to how many team from one region can be chosen?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 19, 2010, 01:54:01 PM
If you go over to the men's basketball multi-region threads you can find discussions on Pool B and Pool C criteria.  It doesn't always explain it perfectly but there several great posters ove there who have the selection process down pretty well.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 19, 2010, 03:50:12 PM
Alright, time for the final picks of the regular season. There is a part of me that wants to sit back and wait to see who JacketsBacker takes and just duplicate those to preserve my 1 pick lead, but that's no way to win a title! So I'm going for it right now...and man its a hard four games to pick too.

Defiance (19-5, 10-5) at Franklin (8-16, 6-9) - This seems to be a good matchup for Defiance, as DC cruised against Franklin at home. Defiance has also played well at Franklin in recent history against much better Grizzly teams than this young one. I am taking DC to reach its 2nd 20-win season of its 19-year D3 era.

Anderson (21-3, 12-2) at Hanover (14-9, 11-4) - Man, we've been talking about this game for weeks and all indicators point to Hanover on its home court, healthy, winners of 8 straight, needing a win to seal the No. 2 seed and the fact that the Panthers only lost by 4 AT Anderson despite only shooting 42%. But...and I'm gonna get backlash for saying this, I almost feel Hanover is a tad overhyped at this point and I think the Ravens might be tired of hearing about it and want to send a message Saturday and enter the HCAC Tourney with a statement win...I'm taking Anderson.

Rose-Hulman (7-17, 3-12) at Mt. St. Joseph (9-14, 4-11) - Nothing on the line here. No postseason implications...just pride. And so I'll side with Michael Romes ending his outstanding MSJ career on a high note. Shame he was never on a better team, because he's one of the best scorers - if not THE best scorer in the HCAC these last four years.

Manchester (15-9, 9-6) at Transylvania (14-10, 10-5) - This is another absolute toss up in my eyes. It has been covered pretty well how important this game is for Transy, plus they are at home. Manchester did win the first go-around but shot 52% and still only edged out the Pioneers by four. This time around, I'll go with Transylvania.

What say you JacketsBacker???
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2010, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on February 19, 2010, 01:54:01 PM
If you go over to the men's basketball multi-region threads you can find discussions on Pool B and Pool C criteria.  It doesn't always explain it perfectly but there several great posters ove there who have the selection process down pretty well.

True, but if I was Zander I would start with this page from the d3hoops.com FAQ section:

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=45

(The 2009-10 criteria are essentially the same as last year's criteria.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 19, 2010, 10:09:51 PM
Jackets Backers says the title is mine.

DC
Hanover
MSJ
Manchester
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_star on February 20, 2010, 02:05:55 PM
DC
Hanover
Rose-Hulman
Transylvania
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 20, 2010, 05:49:19 PM
AU vs. HC proved to be a battle worthy of the hype -- HC wins in OT, 78-75.
MSJ beat RHIT, 69-53.

Still in progress: With 9.5 minutes to go, DC up by 23 over FC.  Transy and Manchester are in a tight one--tied with 1.5 minutes to go.

Manchester wins 65-64.  That should give DC the #3 seed regardless of the DC/FC outcome (although with a 31-point lead and less than 6 minutes to go, I think we can safely give that win to DC).  MC earns the #4 seed, and TU slips to #5.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 20, 2010, 06:11:37 PM
Thank you JT Hooks. Jackets Backer takes down Buzz on the final day of buckets in the HCAC pickem in a comeback for the ages. Plus Manchester's W gives DC the three seed and Franklin again on Tuesday night at DC and Transy now has to go to Manchester. Jeez, what a bad day for the Pioneers. Had a chance to end up the 2 and at very worst with win hosting Franklin on Tuesday. Instead they have to go to Manchester, who they've lost to twice, on Tuesday evening and then would have Anderson on Friday if they survive.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 20, 2010, 06:26:24 PM
Haha, whatta day of hoops in the HCAC and congrats to JB for a clutch showing in pickem to win the title.

Here is the HCAC Tourney picture...

Tuesday, Feb. 23
#5 Transylvania at #4 Manchester - 7:30 pm
#6 Franklin at #3 Defiance - 8:00 pm

Both high seeds swept the regular season, with MC winning two nail-biters over Transy and DC smoking Franklin twice.

Friday, Feb. 26 (at Anderson)
#2 Hanover vs #3 DC/#6 FC - 6:00 pm
#1 Anderson vs #4 MC/#5 TU - 8:00 pm

Hanover swept DC, split with FC....Anderson swept MC, split with TU.

Saturday, Feb. 27 (at Anderson)
HCAC Championship - 7:00 pm
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 21, 2010, 12:18:08 AM
Very nice day indeed!  I was happy with DC being a 3 or a 4, I just wanted them to finish the regular season with a W. 
Now it's time for the HCAC tournament.  I really hope DC doesn't go into Tuesday's game over confident.  Regardless of their past two meetings against Franklin this season, anything can happen.  DC needs to play hard and keep in the groove to if they want to move to the semi's. 
Well put by Jackets Backer!  Transy put themselves in a very difficult spot with losing today.  Going from what could have been hosting a game to now traveling to Manchester who has swept them this season. 
In regards to anyone getting an at large bid to the tournament, I don't see it happening for either DC or Anderson.  DC would have 6 losses if they lose in the HCAC tourney and that just doesn't cut it.  Anderson, maybe if they make it to the finals, but dropping two of the last three and not having the toughest SOS (385 as of 2/14/10) may not give them consideration.  I'm curious to see if DC jumps them in the regional rankings too.  DC's SOS was 129, but their in region opponents didn't fair well today so that may drop some.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 22, 2010, 10:20:20 AM
Congrats to Hanover for playing a great game of basketball to defeat AU on Sat.
It was a total team effort and hopefully will lead them to a conference championship this weekend-
GO PANTHERS!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 22, 2010, 07:17:14 PM
Top 25 poll is out and Anderson was able to hold on and stay in for another week.  DC has climbed their way back up to the receiving votes area again and if Hanover didn't have such a rough first half of the season they would be getting votes too. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 22, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
Yup, DC got votes for the 3rd week in a row and the 7th time this year. Winners of 5 straight and 7 of their last 8, it would be nice if the Jackets can ride that wave a while longer and mix it up with Hanover and Anderson for the HCAC title this weekend. I really think those are the three teams that could win this.

DC SHOULD have enough to get past a young Franklin team on Tuesday - although the Griz with Starrett and Conoley have plenty of fire power to be scary. Either way, it should be a fun night in the Hive with a pair of HCAC Quarterfinal games on the slate. DC's women host Manchester at 6, with the men following immediately after.

The game of the night will likely be over in North Manchester with the Spartans hosting Transy in the 4/5 matchup. MC swept the reg season, but both were gems. Anyone believe in the 'hard to beat a team 3 times' theory? If so, you gotta think Transy is due here.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 22, 2010, 09:37:39 PM
That game west of here Tuesday should be a dandy. I too think Transy is due against Manchester. The ball just bounced the wrong way both times this year.

I'd be really surprised to see Franklin make a run this week having lost six straight and only having one win against the rest of the field ... I think they beat Hanover right after New Years. Plus they'd have to beat the top three seeds possibly with two of those on the other team's court if they played AU in the finals. That's a tall task for a super young team.


But the other five have shown the ability to beat anyone in the league. Obviously Hanover is the hottest team and Defiance is probably playing its best basketball of the season too and seemed to figure out some things defensively late in the year. They also have six seniors which is priceless at this time of year. Anderson has lost a little bit of that invincibility it maybe had two months ago having lost to Defiance, Transy and Hanover over the last month. Two months ago I think the Ravens were heavy favorites to win this. As is a staple of Jon Miller teams, they play shutdown D. During their winning streak the Panthers have held their opponents in the 50s four times. Anderson got 75 but that was in OT and Defiance scored 70, but that's still pretty good against the league's top two offenses. The thing with Hanover is its not putting the biscuit in the bucket at a high percentage this weekend, its defense will keep them in the game. That's scary for whoever tangles with Hanover.

I wouldn't want to have to make a wager on who will be cutting down the nets Saturday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 23, 2010, 10:24:34 AM
Any last predictions for Player of the Year, Coach of the Year, or Freshman of the Year?
Is that decided pre or post tourney play?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 23, 2010, 12:32:10 PM
The names that jump into my head would be...

Coach of the Year - Jon Miller
Hanover was supposed to be a power in 2010-2011. Miller got it done one year early and the Panthers could be a top-20 team throughout most of next season.

Player of the Year - Nick Sales
Sales is an impact senior on a top-four team in the league. Plus he's among the league's best in fg%, ft%, scoring, rebounding, steals and assists.

Rookie of the Year - Ryan Nowicki
Nowicki started most of the year for a very good Hanover team and is really one of their top scoring threats at this point in the year. I think his numbers in HCAC action set him apart from the other standouts in a very exciting freshmen class in the HCAC this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 23, 2010, 01:24:38 PM
of course after typing that, i wonder how likely it is for Anderson to not get any of those honors. I don't think they have a case for Freshman of the Year, but one can easily point to Slyder for COY and Morrison for POY. I guess my initial post is how I would vote, but I think it will turn out to be Slyder, Romes, Nowicki.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2010, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: Buzz on February 22, 2010, 08:15:05 PMAnyone believe in the 'hard to beat a team 3 times' theory?

It's a myth. Think about it ... it makes no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 23, 2010, 03:06:55 PM
I think it's only true if you're rooting for the team that has been beaten twice-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 24, 2010, 12:05:02 AM
Eh, I think it makes sense that it's tough to beat a good team three times...but I don't think just because Anderson and Hanover will be going for their third wins over Manchester and Defiance that it makes MC and DC more likely to win that third game. The only games that matter will be 6 and 8 pm on Friday at AU. I think the best four teams in the league made it and it should be a great weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 24, 2010, 01:14:09 AM
Saying it's hard to beat a team three times in the same year is just that, a saying. I think it's an easy term to use when a team that's been beaten twice by one team wins the third matchup. Now if there is a big talent gap between the two teams then it's not all that hard for the one with the most talent to win three times or even like 20. I think Indiana could play Syracuse 20 times and never  win just because Syracuse is that much better.

If two teams are pretty evenly matched, I think it is very difficult to beat a team three straight times. Sooner or later it's bound to happen just because both are so close in talent. Sometimes the ball just bounces the right way the first two times and then it bounces the other way the third time. I'm not implying that the ball bounced Hanover's way the first two times they played Defiance. Hanover didn't need the ball to bounce its way because the Panthers simply played better and they certainly could play better again Friday and Defiance could do the same.

Manchester did it to Transy and Anderson and Hanover could very easily do the same thing Friday. But I also think that Defiance and Manchester have good chances of winning as well. I don't see a whole heckuva a lot of difference between the four teams left. I've seen all four teams play and they're all pretty good.

Manchester is certainly good enough to win a pair this weekend as the 4. Let's be honest, Defiance and Hanover are pretty evenly matched and not much separates Anderson from Manchester. Should be exciting three games at AU this weekend.

I'm not going to lie to you and some of us said it a few weeks back. I think a lot of Defiance folks are glad to get one more shot at Hanover.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2010, 12:49:26 PM
Quote from: Buzz on February 24, 2010, 12:05:02 AM
Eh, I think it makes sense that it's tough to beat a good team three times...

You didn't ask if it was tough to beat a good team three times. This is what you asked:

Quote from: Buzz on February 22, 2010, 08:15:05 PMAnyone believe in the 'hard to beat a team 3 times' theory?

As for the "tough to beat a good team three times" theory:

Quote from: Jackets Backer on February 24, 2010, 01:14:09 AM
Saying it's hard to beat a team three times in the same year is just that, a saying. I think it's an easy term to use when a team that's been beaten twice by one team wins the third matchup. Now if there is a big talent gap between the two teams then it's not all that hard for the one with the most talent to win three times or even like 20. I think Indiana could play Syracuse 20 times and never  win just because Syracuse is that much better.

Precisely.

Quote from: Jackets Backer on February 24, 2010, 01:14:09 AM
If two teams are pretty evenly matched, I think it is very difficult to beat a team three straight times. Sooner or later it's bound to happen just because both are so close in talent. Sometimes the ball just bounces the right way the first two times and then it bounces the other way the third time.

Saying that two teams are evenly matched is an even more narrow qualifier than saying that it's tough to beat a good team three times. Why? Because if you're a great team, than it's not exactly an uphill battle to beat a good team three times, whereas if two teams are evenly matched, then, as you say, it could come down to a bounce here or a bounce there. Even so, however, if the two teams are evenly matched, then it isn't any tougher for Team A to beat Team B for the third time than it was for Team A to beat Team B in their first meeting, or their second. Each time, it's a 50/50 proposition as to which team will win the game -- it's 50/50 the first time, 50/50 the second time, and 50/50 the third time.

In other words, as you can see the cliche is dying the death of a thousand qualifications.

One other thing that you have overlooked is that sometimes it's simply a matter of matchups. You could have two good teams that, for whatever reason, present one team with distinct matchup advantages when the two teams meet. It then becomes no more difficult for the superior-matchups team to win the third game than it was the first two -- assuming that all variables remain the same and neither coach outstrategizes the other -- because the matchup advantages are still there.

The more you think about it, the emptier the cliche gets.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 24, 2010, 02:44:55 PM
Sager, you just made my head hurt ;D

I'm excited about Friday's matchup in Anderson!  DC gets an opportunity to redeem themselves after two losses to Hanover this season.  Hopefully they bring their A game. 
Hanover in both games out shot DC a total of 55% to 37% and 74% to 67% at the charity stripe.  Hanover took 19 more free throws too.  The thing(s) that kill me are DC crushed Hanover on the offensive glass 30 to 12 and had fewer turnovers 21 to 39.  I guess if you shoot 37% it really doesn't make a difference.  IMO DC will need to play Hanover's game and slow things down and wait for a good shot.  They've shown they can hit the offensive glass, so get the board, reset and do it again.  Also, limit three point shots unless your hot.  47 3's in two games at 21%!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2010, 03:41:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 24, 2010, 02:44:55 PM
Sager, you just made my head hurt ;D

I get that a lot. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 24, 2010, 04:10:39 PM
I disagree about DC having to play Hanover's game. Both games this year and the last two last year were chest to chest, half-court defensive slugfests. I'd much rather see the game sped up kind of like the first game they played a year ago at Hanover when DC just hammered Hanover like 103-70 or something. A up and down the court game would be coach Miller's worst nightmare in my mind. Now it doesn't have to be a track meet but DC needs to get some easy fastbreak buckets. The more easy baskets Defiance gets the better. I think Defiance can win a halfcourt game though ... they just have to make their shots.

Two things need to change this time in my mind. 1. DC needs to get a lead 8, 10 points and put the pressure on Hanover to come back. DC's biggest lead this year against Hanover was 5 points. Hanover was able to relax and play its pace. I felt Defiance was constantly on its heels and taking punches from Hanover. 2. Defiance needs to make some shots. They got good looks in both games, just didn't knock them down.

Hanover has buried its shots, DC has not. If Defiance can shoot a decent percentage 45+ from the field and just a touch better behind the arc that could be the difference Friday evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 25, 2010, 10:10:44 PM
Tip of the cap to DC's Nick Sales on making D3hoops.com's Team of the Week for his efforts in the the final week of the regular season. Stay hot big fella!

I think that's the 4th HCAC player to make the list this season. I know DC has gotten Wolfrum and Sales and AU's Morrison made it last week.

20 hours now until the Hanover/Defiance semifinal tips. Can't wait.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 26, 2010, 01:01:52 AM
Hanover/DC is a pretty exciting match up that is for sure.  Hanover has won 9 straight beating Transy, Manchester, Anderson and DC during that span.  DC has won 6 in a row with their last loss being Hanover.  I will be anticipating this one all day tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 26, 2010, 09:57:06 AM
The Hanover vs. DC game should be a great one--  I think if Hanover brings tough defense to the game they will win but if they have defensive lulls DC will be ready stop Hanover's run to the big tourney-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 26, 2010, 12:09:41 PM
well DC stopped AU's 14-game streak earlier this year and that streak started with Anderson's win over Defiance. Now the Jackets can stop Hanover's long streak that started with a win against Defiance. I love that sorta stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 26, 2010, 12:13:20 PM
Already jacked up for this one Buzz. You going to be at the game tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 27, 2010, 12:59:04 AM
Big game tomorrow or today for you east coasters!  Anderson was able to hold off Manchester in a tight battle and DC finally did the right things to take down Hanover.  I am excited for this one.
DC seems to have everything clicking right now and at the right time.  They currently have a 7 game winning streak and was able to halt Hanover's 9 game streak tonight.  Still they have to beat Anderson on their home court.  This should be a good one as both teams will be fighting for an AQ bid to the big tournament. 
I don't see either one getting a Pool C bid considering DC's SOS is 258 and Anderson's is 372.  Not very helpful in trying to get a Pool C bid after taking another loss to their record.  Also, with St. Thomas and John Carroll losing, they drops either one down the list when it comes time to pick the Pool C teams.
Anyway, I'm hoping DC doesn't even have to worry about C bids and gets in with an AQ for winning the HCAC tournament.  Looking forward to a hard fought battle in Anderson tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 27, 2010, 08:41:23 AM
I think if Defiance wins, the HCAC will get two teams in NCAA tourney, but if Anderson wins the HCAC will only get one.  I've got no horse in this race but it would be great to have two HCAC teams in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 27, 2010, 08:49:33 AM
tonight should be fun


looking forward to it

Go Ravens
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 27, 2010, 11:30:15 AM
HCAC fans should be in for a treat tonight. What a great pair of college basketball games last night at Anderson, especially the second one. Manchester just couldn't put Anderson away by missing the front end of a one-and-one and then turning the ball over with like 16 seconds left. AU's gym was packed to the gills and it was rocking. Might be rocking even more tonight being Saturday night and a lot more on the line. I'm guessing more DC fans will be making the trip. Manchester had a great following last night, would be nice to see DC students do the same tonight.

The Jackets finally took care of business against Hanover. I thought a key sequence was right before the half. DC got a few really easy buckets in transition. They literally just beat Hanover down the court in transition and rammed it down their throats three or four times. I think one was an easy three from Anthony Brown.

Hanover did come back early in the second half and tie the game but Defiance's defense got them necessary stops this time around. Met a couple of very nice Hanover fans after the game. One was Jake Inman's father and the other was Coach Miller's dad. Great guys and really enjoyed talking to them. Never met a person with ties to Hanover that I didn't care for.

With the coaches that Defiance and Hanover have, both will be perennial powers in the HCAC year after year. Hanover is going to be really good next year. I figured next year would be their year but Miller got them going a year ahead of schedule. Case and Meyer are going to be hard to deal with next year, enjoy watching both play, although I just wish they wouldn't play so well against Defiance.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 27, 2010, 08:40:54 PM
Congrats to DC for winning the HCAC tournament and receiving an AQ to the Big Dance!  It was a great game that went down to the wire!  I don't think Anderson will get a Pool C bid with all the upsets in other conferences, but hopefully they do so there will be two teams representing the HCAC.
Now I'm hoping DC gets a good first round match up. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc4252 on February 28, 2010, 08:41:00 AM
Well as of right now they have AU projected as the last team in.  Still seems like a long-shot to me but there is a glimmer of hope. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on February 28, 2010, 09:21:21 AM
Quote from: wc4252 on February 28, 2010, 08:41:00 AM
Well as of right now they have AU projected as the last team in.  Still seems like a long-shot to me but there is a glimmer of hope. 

yeah I was under the impression we played a pretty difficult schedule OOC but I guess we really didn't.

Anyways, Congrats to Defiance,  you could have mailed it in a couple different times in the 2nd half and didn't, here is hoping AU gets in.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_star on February 28, 2010, 11:41:58 AM
Congrats to the Yellow Jackets on winning the HCAC tournament. DC showed a lot of heart overcoming the obstacles of winning the conference tournament on the road. Congrats to Anderson on an excellent season, and I hope the HCAC will have two teams representing the conference in the Division III tournament. I hope Yellow Jacket Nation is ready to go dancing!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 28, 2010, 07:06:19 PM
Put me in the list of hopefulls that Anderson scores an at-large bid, as it'd be great for the HCAC and I feel the league is deserving of multiple bids. The HCAC had a pretty solid year with several of its top teams scoring some nice non-conference victories. Getting Defiance and Anderson into the Dance to represent the HCAC would be icing on the cake....well scoring a win or two in the Dance would be the icing I suppose.

On a side note, I was also fortunate enough to make the trip to Anderson this weekend to watch the Semifinals and Championship and the atmosphere was fantastic. Anderson really did a nice job running the tourney and the crowds were electric with very good turnouts from Anderson, Defiance and Manchester.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 28, 2010, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Buzz on February 28, 2010, 07:06:19 PM


On a side note, I was also fortunate enough to make the trip to Anderson this weekend to watch the Semifinals and Championship and the atmosphere was fantastic. Anderson really did a nice job running the tourney and the crowds were electric with very good turnouts from Anderson, Defiance and Manchester.

If the big kahuna's projections of brackets hold water tomorrow, will you and Jackets Backer be packin' up your clogging shoes and Mason Jar of "stumpblower" to journey south to the Little River Valley?   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on February 28, 2010, 11:13:23 PM
Cave,

You bet buddy. Golly am I proud of these young men, especially the seniors. They're great friends of mine and was just so happy to see them achieve their goal of playing in the NCAA Tournament. Can't wait for the next journey into the Big Dance.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 01, 2010, 08:42:30 AM
sure hopin to Caves - just waitin till 10 to see how this all shakes out.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 01, 2010, 10:21:54 AM
Great for the HCAC both Defiance and Anderson make the field!

Defiance vs. UW-Whitewater at Wooster
Anderson vs. St. Thomas at Carthage
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on March 01, 2010, 11:24:02 AM
And they're on opposite halves of the bracket too.

Might we see an all-HCAC championship?    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 01, 2010, 12:15:14 PM
DC and Anderson draw tough first round match ups.  Both are winnable games so hopefully both teams bring their A game and move forward.  It won't be to far of a drive for Anderson faithful to head to Kenosha, WI (roughly 4 1/2 hr drive) for their game and the same for DC to Wooster (little over 2 1/2 hour drive). 
Hopefully DC's fan base goes out their in full support.  That could benefit them b/c Whitewater has a lot farther to travel for the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on March 01, 2010, 12:48:37 PM
Good luck to Anderson and Defiance.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 01, 2010, 12:58:37 PM
Anderson gets to try their hand at stopping the 10 man rotation of the Tommies.  The Tommies can get a little helter skelter in their attempts to wear opponents down but they are very, very good at what they do.  Defiance will be faced with a very physical team in Whitewater.  Patience and poise is needed to not overreact to the aggressive and physical approach that Whitewater brings to the game.  Go Ravens! Go Yellowjackets!  (Yes, go Yellowjackets from a Beaver fan).  Defiance vs. Guilford down the road would be an interesting matchup.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on March 01, 2010, 01:13:50 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on March 01, 2010, 12:58:37 PM
Anderson gets to try their hand at stopping the 10 man rotation of the Tommies.  The Tommies can get a little helter skelter in their attempts to wear opponents down but they are very, very good at what they do.  Defiance will be faced with a very physical team in Whitewater.  Patience and poise is needed to not overreact to the aggressive and physical approach that Whitewater brings to the game.  Go Ravens! Go Yellowjackets!  (Yes, go Yellowjackets from a Beaver fan).  Defiance vs. Guilford down the road would be an interesting matchup.

Early word I've heard on Whitewater too is they're really physical Not exactly easy first rounders for the HCAC pair. Jackets should have good following to Wooster since it's only 3 hours away. Looking ahead to the Palombo-DC matchup ... good catch for Beaver fan. I think a lot of DC folks noticed that when the brackets were released. The Jackets would have to pull off a couple of upsets to get there though.

The Anderson-Tommies game could be interesting. AU likes to run a bit as well, but aren't 10 deep. May we see a game in the 90s or 100s?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 01, 2010, 01:47:18 PM
The Tommies would probably love a game to get to the 90 plus range.  As their opponent, if you choose to go that route you have to be very confident in your perimeter shooting to try and match theirs.  If the DC-Whitewater game gets a quick early whistle is can potentially force the Warhawks to back off a little and give DC some breathing room to do what they do well. Go HCAC!


BTW:  I like the sound of Beaver Fan, maybe after AT's career is done at Wash U I can switch my username to that. Of course when the next nephew gets to college I'll have to root for that team, whoever it might be. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on March 01, 2010, 02:11:11 PM
The Ravens like to pitch it in from the perimeter. Riddle can really stroke it and their inside guys aren't afraid to hoist from behind the 3-line.

Curious if anyone else knows much about Whitewater or has seen them play? Isn't March Madness great? DC had a gathering this morning to watch the Selection Show on a big screen. It's going to be a fun week, can't wait till Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on March 01, 2010, 04:25:26 PM
we are going dancing ;D ;D

Go Ravens and go HCAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 02, 2010, 09:27:57 AM
wow, hard to understand the latest top-25 poll. i know it is of little importance at this point, but how did defiance not pass anderson in the poll? jackets have the better record, have 2 wins over the ravens in their last 2 meetings, higher regional ranking...again, not a big deal at this point, just a head scratcher to me and it sure woulda been nice to see DC in the top-25. no reason to focus on that though and spoil the postseason mood!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on March 02, 2010, 09:44:17 AM
No doubt Buzz. I wonder if the coaches and people that vote were busy over the weekend with their minds on the Tournament. Hard to figure but aren't polls usually that way. I don't put much stock into them. I don't give a hoot, although it would've been nice to see DC get in the Top 25. Bigger things to worry about and that's a very good and physical Whitewater team on Friday in Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tommiegun on March 02, 2010, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on March 01, 2010, 01:47:18 PM
The Tommies would probably love a game to get to the 90 plus range. 

This is absolutely not true.  The Toms have always been a helter skelter defensive force and will run when they force turnovers.  However, most of the time they are fairly methodical on offense and look to work the clock.  (The reasoning is, "let's limit your positions because we know that a fair amount of them are going to end in a turnover")

My guess is a game in the mid 70's.  I'd put very good money on the first to 80 wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 02, 2010, 04:41:41 PM
off topic a bit...but HCAC awards announced today

Coach of the Year - Slyder, Anderson
Player of the Year - Sales, Defiance
Freshman of the Year - Meyer, Transylvania

Congrats to all. Personally, I would have voted Miller (HC), Sales (DC) and Nowicki (HC). I'm most surprised by Meyer...not to diss him at all, because he had a fine year on a good team but there were several good rookies and I would have thought Wolfrum and Nowicki would have netted more votes. Regardless, those three and Gunner Erwin of Franklin should all have very good collegiate careers and it will be fun watching them expand their roles next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on March 02, 2010, 07:32:23 PM
Slyder has completely turned AU around and won the regular season title, easy choice IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 02, 2010, 10:23:54 PM
Well Slyder was a given bc the reg season champ gets Coach of the Year by default in this league pretty much.

I prefer to look at which team exceeded expectations for THIS year the most and I think that was clearly Hanover, who Miller turned into a HCAC contender a year earlier than anyone should have.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mrbibler on March 04, 2010, 12:14:23 PM
Looking forward to watching the Defiance-Whitewater matchup.

Whitewater is 20-0 when leading or tied at halftime this year so it is crucial that the Yellow Jackets stay close.  Keep them away from easy baskets in the paint (easier said than done) and force them to knock down the outside shots.

Stranger things have happened at Timken this year: Dec 29 Translyvania over Wash U.

Best of Luck to the Yellow Jackets!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 03:34:14 PM
Don't forget, final three-plus hours to enter the D3hoops.com bracket challenge.

You have extra time for the women's bracket, since the first game isn't until 4 p.m. ET on Friday.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pickem/
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 05, 2010, 07:45:18 AM
Good luck to the Yellowjackets and Ravens! Do the HCAC proud!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 05, 2010, 09:44:55 AM
Yep, the action is just a few hours away now and hopefully Defiance and Anderson can represent the league well. It's a big step for the league to have gotten two teams in...hopefully the HCAC can build on that.

Not as familiar with AU's bracket, but DC's pod is mighty tough. You've got #8 UW-Whitewater (who has been top-10 all year and as high as #3), then there is #17 Wooster on its home court, and Defiance is just outside the top-25 and winners of 8-straight, and oh yeah...a 19-8 Grove City squad. All four are conference champions (tourney and/or reg season) and all four teams boast their league's Player of the Year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 05, 2010, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: mrbibler on March 04, 2010, 12:14:23 PM
Whitewater is 20-0 when leading or tied at halftime this year so it is crucial that the Yellow Jackets stay close.

And Defiance is 20-2 this year when leading at the half. That's the sign of a couple of pretty good and experienced teams that know how to close out victories.

Not at all familiar with UW-Whitewater but I think Defiance has to clog the lane to try to keep that Mitchell guy from taking over. The Jackets also will likely need a strong shooting performance from its guards (Brown, Wolfrum, Armstrong, Floyd), because I'm not sure how many good looks DC will get inside. If at least two of the perimeter guys are on, it could give the Jackets a good shot at pulling the upset tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tommiegun on March 05, 2010, 03:24:22 PM
Good luck to Anderson and St. Thomas tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 05, 2010, 04:05:49 PM
Much of the talk on the NCAC board this week indicated foregone conclusion that Woo and UWW would be vying for the pod championship.  Though some loyalty to the NCAC and hopes that the Scots get by Grove City, this is a marvelous opportunity for the "Bad News Bees" to notch two signature wins against highly ranked opponents.

Avoid Shisler's Cheese Haus, stay hungry, and get after Whitewater from the outset!  Earn a chance for better match-ups to go "Transy" on Wooster.  Second round dreams and "the Belt" should provide adequate incentive.

Defy the Ordinary  ;)  GO JACKETS!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 05, 2010, 04:29:45 PM
Tonight will really size up the HCAC conference.  Both DC and Anderson matched up against top notch opponents.  DC will have to shut down Mitchell, which will not be an easy task at all as mentioned by Buzz.  He will stand a head taller than DC's starting center being 6'9". 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 05, 2010, 06:57:47 PM
31-30 DC lead at the half.  Check out the WIAC in game updates (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4057.1680) page for... in game updates!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on March 05, 2010, 08:49:52 PM
RAVENS WIN RAVENS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 05, 2010, 09:01:37 PM
Good job Ravens.  Defiance loses a close one.  HCAC has done themselves proud tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 05, 2010, 11:56:09 PM
Congrats to Anderson on their first round victory.  In regards to DC, I don't really know what to say.  I only got to know what was happening through live stats updates.  To me it just looked like Whitewater wanted it more & DC just handed it over IMO.  It was very frustrating to see UWW was getting offensive rebound after offensive rebound.  That's either bad coaching at the end or DC just being a very inferior team that got lucky to hang around for 98% of the game.  Anyways, I'm looking forward to getting somebody else's perspective that actually saw the game.

Congrats to DC for at least getting to the tournament and having a pretty good season.  Anderson, keep it rolling and represent the HCAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on March 06, 2010, 02:33:18 AM
This is not a very good perspective, I'll say that, I was at the game. DC outplayed Whitewater tonight, played harder, tougher and more physical. That's saying something since Whitewater has 2 guys that are Division I transfers and a 6-9, 240-pound giant center. Jackets actually outrebounded Whitewater, had a 71-65 lead with 2 minutes left. One rebound on possession where Whitewater got four shots and the game would've been sealed. With score tied and 19 seconds left, Jackets really handed the ball to Whitewater on inbounds pass. Not bad coaching, to outrebound a team with physical speciments along its frontline, means you were pretty tough. Just a couple tough breaks at the end or Jackets move on. Congrats to Whitewater, they made the plays in crunch time and were a bit fortunate to pull it out. Whitewater has a team that can go a long way in this tournament, super talented.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 06, 2010, 08:31:58 AM
Would agree with JB's assessment, after following Point Special's play by play and the live stats.  DC matched UWW pretty well on the boards, shocking the WIAC faithful and shot the lights out coming out of halftime.  Unfortunate that the charity stripe was unkind and a couple of turnovers at the end (outscored 7-0 in final 37 seconds  :o) spoiled the party.  C'est la Vive.

Enjoyed reading the NCAC posts this morning, describing Fletcher's antics post game.  Some of his DI experience obviously hasn't dissipated, and it sounds as if DC's fan contingent was well represented and quite vocal the entire game.  Well done.  ;)

Hopefully, Wooster can put together a balanced game and send the DI "wish-they-were" players back to the Badgerland playground with their tails clipped.  Congrats to Anderson, continue to represent - and Go Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on March 06, 2010, 03:55:45 PM
Yep, Jackets actually outboarded Whitewater. Bet they wish they would've outrebounded them by one more though when Whitewater got like four shots down 6 and then Negri nailed a trey. DC gets the board there, its up six with the ball and about 1:30 left. It's pretty much on ice because Whitewater would've had to of fouled.

Fletcher is quite the character. He was highly recruited out of Milwaukee and went to D-1 Evansville before he was kicked out of there for stealing laptops. Then went to a couple junior colleges and had some more run-ins with the law I believe. He graduated high school in like 2004 but had something like a semester and a half left of eligibility and went to Whitewater. He's something else.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 06, 2010, 10:51:38 PM
This is a day late, but I was also fortunate enough to be at the Defiance/Whitewater game on Friday and while the loss was crushing, I left with my head held high. Defiance has nothing to be ashamed of and represented itself and the HCAC very well. Brumett and his staff had a great gameplan, the players weren't intimidated or satisfied to be on that stage and played their guts out against a much bigger, more physical and more athletic Warhawk squad, and DC had a very impressive and vocal backing, with a couple hundred fans making the 6-hour round trip.

The Jackets clearly deserved to win and if one of several bounces/rebounds woulda went DC's way, the outcome woulda been different. On several of UW-Whitewater's offensive boards down the stretch, DC had position but the ball bounced long and right to a Warhawk. To Whitewater's credit, it capitalized and pulled out the win in an incredible game.

Anyway, thanks to the Jackets for a very fun season. They exceeded many expectations and should really be proud of what they accomplished and how they improved in the last several weeks of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 06, 2010, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on March 06, 2010, 08:31:58 AM
Hopefully, Wooster can put together a balanced game and send the DI "wish-they-were" players back to the Badgerland playground with their tails clipped.

Clipping has been completed :) ...and the loooong bus ride back to Wisconsin has begun for the Warhawks.  Wooster wins 87-78.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 08, 2010, 08:34:02 PM
soooo with the hoops season over for HCAC teams...what now? i already miss the chatter and we're only 2-3 days removed from DC and AU's NCAA showings...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on March 08, 2010, 11:08:21 PM
Track season, dude.  Come out to Coressel Stadium on March 20 for the Dick Small Invitational.  (Bring your snowsuit.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on March 09, 2010, 07:52:23 AM
Agree with Buzz, nothing quite compares to college buckets. At least March Madness is in full swing for the next few weeks, but it's always a long spring, summer and fall before hoops starts back up. In my mind, there's nothing better than college basketball.

Interested in seeing how the success DC had this year helps the Jackets in recruiting. They're going to need some guys to come off the bench to back up the Tietjes next year in the post and backups on the perimeter as well. DC's been blessed with a Pettaway and Sales on the roster the last few years ... those kind of guys don't come along all the time. Would expect the twins start along with Brown, Wolfrum and Campbell. But after that, there's no experience at all coming back. Morris has played some, but not much in really huge conference games. Freshmen are going to have to contribute unless some of the guys that didn't play much this year really improve over the offseason. I think it'll be tough for the Jackets to stay at the level they've been at the last few years without any seniors next year and the league is going to be really tough. Hope I'm wrong, but Hanover, Anderson and Franklin return practically everyone and Transy had some good young guys this year. Plus I think Bluffton is going to be really good. I see Hanover and Anderson duking it out next year with three or four other teams in the next group back competing for third.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 09, 2010, 01:33:22 PM
Jackets Backer,  Essentially you would be starting four guards and one forward with that line up.  I know you can slide Kyle to a forward, but can he play the four and can Kevin play the 4/5?  They need to work on Morris and get him to put some weight on and be able to play 20+ minutes next year and get a freshman that can play big too.  Speaking of weight, Wolfrum needs to get on the McDonald's weight plan.  6'4" 165!  Put 15-20 pounds on that kid and he could be real dangerous on the court.
In regards to next year, I agree that DC will be a mid level team in HCAC play.  I think in two years DC could be potenially a real dangerous team.  They will have several players with tons of experience that have already showed their potential. 
Buzz, for me once bball ends I go and talk football.  There hasn't been much action lately, but I trying to get things going about the upcoming NFL draft. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on March 10, 2010, 01:04:48 AM
They'd be taller with both Tietjes starting than they were this year in their frontline and really quick, but not as thick. Jackets may have to go back to the run-n-gun they used early this year with that kind of lineup. Both Tietjes like to get up and down and they play better IMO when they're on the floor together. Logan likes to get it and go and he's going to give us a bigger scoring threat at the point spot. I'd like to see a good PG like Floyd come in as a freshman and take over and put Logan at the shooting guard spot just because I think he's more of a scorer than distributor. We were in this same kind of spot four or five years ago and Floyd and Sales came in. Never know, maybe there's two more guys like that on the way. I think someone like a Sales would be a big addition. That way you could go with a Sales-type and the Tietje's inside along with Brown and Wolfrum on the perimeter. Asking to find a lot with a Sales-type but that would give you five dangerous scoring threats. Not sure Campbell, Conley and Floyd were major scoring threats all the time this year. Brown and Sales were counted on a lot in the starting five to produce offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 10, 2010, 10:20:06 AM
Brumett needs to find at least one impact freshman to continue DC's recent tradition of impact rookies (CJ Johnson, Anthony Pettaway, Nick Sales/Mike Floyd, Anthony Brown, Logan Wolfrum) in the past five years. So it isn't a stretch to bank on getting at least one of those types. If that player is a forward/center who happens to have an immediate impact like Franklin's Conoley did in his freshman year, or Nick Sales in his rookie year, or even Hanover's Mike Case two years ago, then they'll have a shot to be dangerous....but you gotta think Hanover/Anderson are the cream of the crop next season barring some DI transfers coming to Defiance, Franklin, Transy, Bluffton, Manchester and changing the landscape.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mike.hawke82 on March 10, 2010, 12:03:04 PM
Congrats to AU & DC on their fine seasons. Good to see HCAC represented nationally. Also congrats to Coach Miller & his Panthers at Hanover. My opinion, best coach in HCAC.
But what I really want to talk about is the debacle in Bluffton and the men's basketball program. In particular the head coach. Being an Alum and having played there 4 years under GN I can say without reservation that it is time for a change. I am not a disgruntled player because I played alot and was an All league player during my time there. But in my opinion, that basketball program needs new life and will not compete for a league title or NCAA birth until GN is gone. He has been there over 20 years with 0 league titles, 0 NCAA tourneys. he is the alltime losingest coach in school history, has the most 20 loss seasons in school history, and tied a school record for losses with a 2-23 record this year. If the administration is serious about winning it's time for some new blood to run that program. If they think building a new field house will help them win they better think again. A new building will not make him a better coach. There has been precedence set at Bluffton with the removal of Greg Brooks as the football coach for not winning enough. Unfortunately the new coach has won less than Brooks, but the intention was correct, probably the wrong hire. Time for the AD & President to take a hard look at the basketball and say 20+ years is enough time to prove yourself. This University deserves better from the basketball program. Maybe at least 1 title now and then instead of being consistently below ave. or terrible as in this past season. The guys that have played for GN know what I'm talking about. Love my school, loved my time there, loved my teammates, but time for some new blood to run the program. I'd be interested to know how many former players feel the same or have different opinion of the past 20 years of mediocrity. Look forward to your replies
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on March 10, 2010, 01:43:02 PM
Always a tough subject to approach...   What I'm about to say might be construed, at first, to be flippant.  Please understand that this is not my intent and read to the end.

With the exception of the women's softball and volleyball teams, there is not a lot of recent success in Bluffton athletics.  Neither soccer program has had a winning season since at least 1998.  The track programs were in the top 3 in the conference for 3-4 years (the women even won a championship in 2004) before they dropped off to place 7th and 8th the last three years.  The football team hasn't had a winning season since they won a co-championship in 2000 (and they only have 2 wins in the last 3 years).  The women's cross county team has never finished above 5th in the HCAC, the men never better than 4th (and the men haven't fielded a full 5-man team in the past two years).  The baseball team hasn't had a winning record since at least 2000.  And the women's basketball team has had 1 winning season since 1998-99 (never winning more than 7 conference games).  The men's basketball team has had as much success as any of them with 5 straight winning seasons before this year's 2-23 debacle.  (All these came from the Bluffton webpage.  So, some of these strings may go back further than what's on there.)

Now, what's my point?  I'm not big on pushing D-III coaches to consistently have winning programs.  This isn't a professional league nor is it D-I.  We were/are students first and athletes second.  The important part is that we get a good education and athletics can be very instrumental in receiving that education (even when we lose).  To me, winning is an bonus.

Now, I've met exactly 1 Bluffton coach in my life (of any sport), so I'm not going to pass judgement on any of them.  You'd probably me much better able to tell us.  Have the coaches been consistently turning 18 year-olds into professional adults over the course of 4 years?  To me, that is the mark of a good D-III coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mike.hawke82 on March 10, 2010, 02:57:18 PM
In my opinion, what you have at Bluffton is basically a glorified intramural program. There really isn't that big of an emphasis on athletics. The administration wants to field teams, but to fund them appropriately to make them competative year in & year out is out of the question. The athletic program as a whole is a joke. look at the All-Sports standings in the HCAC for the past decade and look who has finished last. You guessed it, Bluffton. It looked like they were making progress when President Snyder was at the helm, but seem to have taken steps backward with President Harder running the show. I digress...

My specific beef is with the basketball program because I guess that's what I've invested most of my time there as a former player and had to deal with GN on a daily basis. My opinion, not a good coach, not a good person. Is in it for himself and wouldn't want my kid playing for him. I could site several examples but those would be my personal experiences, which no one really cares to hear I'm sure. Wonder what other former players think... Maybe 20+ years of mediocrity is Ok with men's basketball. Seems like it's OK with the entire athletic program. Need new blood to revive the program in my opinion, otherwise were looking at another below average year again!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on March 10, 2010, 03:11:53 PM
Guess you couldn't argue if Bluffton decided to go in a different direction. I agree with Altor, at the same time, if the program's numbers are still good, which is a big thing at the Division III level, and kids are making careers for themselves after leaving, that's part of this level too.

A coach is as good as the recruits he brings in. College basketball, no matter what level, it's all about recruiting.

I don't know, but maybe Bluffton is handcuffed by where it can recruit. Someone with knowledge from Bluffton would have to fill me in there. Just looking at the roster, there's not a lot of guys from outside of this immediate area, most are local kids. Don't get me wrong, local products can help you win, but a major part of Defiance's recent success has been getting a few local kids and then kids from programs that played major competition in the big cities.

Pettaway (Toledo), CJ Johnson (Toledo) Sales (Cleveland area), Floyd (Toledo), Brown (Chicago) have really been the catalyst for Defiance's resurgance over the past few years and they all played against big-time competition during their prep days. Right there you have two HCAC MVPs, another one that could've been and a tremendous point guard. Most of those kids were playing with or against guys that went on to play at Division I colleges.

Bluffton hasn't competed for league titles, but they've been consistently competitive for the most part and right around the middle of the pack along with a few really good years sprinkled in. It's just been hard for them to consistently stay near the top 3 or 4. I think Bluffton has a lot of really good young players back for next year, but I don't think they'll be at the level of Anderson, Hanover, Franklin or Transy.

IMO Bluffton is a bit different than other teams in the league, not the greatest facilities which is kind of like Defiance as well. Those two probably have the worst two gyms in the league.

Can't speak for Bluffton, but at DC it's more about keeping your numbers up in the program than wins and losses. Although I think that philosophy is changing a bit with our new prez, I think he wants to win. I'm not sure Transy and Hanover, just for example, would be real thrilled with being middle of the road for long stretches on the court.

Agree that new facilities don't make someone a better coach, but they do make that coach a better recruiter.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mike.hawke82 on March 10, 2010, 03:34:46 PM
You make some very good points Jackets Backer. You are as good as your recruits. It actually helps when you do recruit, which is not a strong suit of GN. I know for a fact he spends very little time recruiting, that is left to his assistants primarily. At least that's the way it was when I was there. From what I hear it's still that way. When he has had good assistants the talent level has improved and team has faired well. When he has had below par assistants the team has struggled. In GN's defense he has gone thru alot of assistants in his time there. They do not have a full time asst. position. He gets a new asst. every couple of years. That makes it alot tougher to recruit consistently.  But, he doesn't recruit much and it's hard to get the top players if the head coach won't leave the immediate area. But come on, after 20+ years you think he could find a way to win at least 1 title somewhere. The sun shines on every dogs butt sooner or later.

I don't think Hanover or Transy would be happy to be mediocre consistently either. But those schools actually care about winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 10, 2010, 09:26:23 PM
Having only seen Bluffton play one time this year, I'm not the most qualified voice here by any stretch, but I certainly think Bluffton was far better than its 2-23 record would suggest. They rarely got blown out and played well as a team. I actually think the Beavers have a pretty good season or two on the horizon if the youngsters on the roster stick around and continue to develop as they should.

The problem is, there are alot of good young squads in the HCAC, so the road won't be easy at all. I really think the HCAC is on the rise.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on March 11, 2010, 08:12:54 AM
Agree with Buzz, the HCAC is on the rise. The league nearly won two NCAA Tournament games this year against top 10 teams. Anderson's win was very impressive and DC should've beat Whitewater. There's just so many really good programs now that I think it's going to be hard for the bottom third of the programs to catch up with the top four or five programs.

I don't know that the league has had this many great programs all at one time. Anderson, Defiance, Franklin, Hanover and Transy I think will just duke it out each winter for seasons to come in the HCAC championship race if their coaches stick around. Manchester had a really good year this season, but I think they need to play at that level another couple years to be thrown into the upper echelon of programs in the HCAC. 

I'd say those five teams have been the cream of the crop in the league over the past five or six seasons.

Defiance has been a stepping stone for coaches over the years. If Defiance can keep coach Brumett around for many years, the Jackets are going to be in the HCAC championship mix year after year. We've all seen what Miller has done in two short years at Hanover. He's a brilliant basketball mind and had a great season with a lot of young guys. The Panthers will be a contender every season as long as Miller is there. You can say the same for Brian Lane and Kerry Prather, both incredible coaches and championship pedigrees. They both had down years in regards to the high standards at those schools. I don't think they'll be down long. Anderson's season has to help them in recruiting ... were ranked in top 10 at one time and its NCAA win was impressive. So I think Anderson has arrived.

Bluffton, Rose and the Mount have a ways to go to join those other five teams in the upper tier of the HCAC and Earlham. I wouldn't be surprised to see Anderson, Defiance, Franklin, Hanover or Transy win the league over the next few years ... Bluffton, Rose, Mount and Earlham would really surprise me if they rose to that level.

What do others think that follow the league?

 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 11, 2010, 08:27:30 AM
Is there a possibility that the "misfortunes" of the Bluffton program go deeper than coach and/or facilities?  I have several, athletic friends who graduated from there in the early 1970s (one, a father of one of the victims of the Atlanta debacle) and most of their comments focused on the isolated location and that they passed on a natural, local rival up the road in Ada.  The HCAC is a mixed bag of institutions, when one looks at missions, academic offerings and reputations, locale, levels of financial support, facilities, and yes, administrative support for competition.  As an observer, I don't see as much diversity among the MIAA or NCAC institutions (though Hiram is in a similar role as Bluffton).  

When one looks at Earlham as a new HCAC member, I have to wonder what the net effect on the conference might be?  Yes, there is the possibility of a few more wins for their opponents, but an administration with less respect for sport and athletic facilities (a big Div IV advocate) than academic rigor and financial stability.  

Prospective students have numerous priorities when considering selection of school.  Coaches and athletic facilities are important, but when one chooses to go D III, is it for the possibility of continuity of "glory days" or a step toward a life-fulfilling career?

To tag onto JB's latest musing, it is seldom that a coach stays in one place as was evident in the past.  GN is sort of an exception in the HCAC, and like the aforementioned students, many look for "bigger and better as well" unless they fall into a comfort zone like Moore at Wooster, Petty at Wabash, or even Hohenberger during my time at Defiance.  Longevity is not that common, and there is such a thing as overstaying one's welcome.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 11, 2010, 08:59:48 AM
Coach Neal certainly has a strong personality that can rub some people the wrong way, but I have no doubt that Coach Neal wants to win.  He has a very strong sense of how he wants the game to be played and you had better buy into the concept or get ready to hit the pine.  This approach also rubs some people the wrong way.  As a Bluffton alum and supporter for nearly 30 years I think that Bluffton would love nothing more than to win or at least be competitive but as an institution cannot bring themselves to invest in or make a priority of the things that can make that happen.  Bluffton should have the same recruiting base that Defiance, ONU, Heidelberg, and other local schools have and those teams have had more success in basketball than Bluffton (Heidelberg seems to have turned the corner after some tough years) At the DIII level, aid packages, tradition and to some degree facilities can often be critical when convincing a potential DIII student-athlete to make a choice of one school over another.  Bluffton falls short in all of these categories.  Since they do not have tradition they have to really step up to the plate and be competitive in the other two.  Until that happens they will continue to fall in the lower half of their league and near the bottom or at the bottom of all-sports type rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mike.hawke82 on March 11, 2010, 12:55:14 PM
BU Beaver makes some very valid points regarding the Bluffton Athletic program as a whole, which I agree with.
My problem in particular is with the men's basketball program. Having played 4 years and over 100 collegiate games and involved as a HS Coach I think GN's basketball knowledge is at best at a low high school level. His practice organization, drill progression is very elementary (to a fault). His in game adjustments, time-out adjustments, half time adjustments are awful. No feel for the game. His motivation techniques are one dimensional. Motivate by fear, yelling & screaming. (I guess that would be 3 dimensional). His relationship with players is non-existant. From a purely basketball coaching standpoint he is not good in my opinion. Bluffton deserves so much better and could do so much better. Obviously, this is my opinion and maybe other players have different opinions. That what this forum is for...to express our opinions. Hoping for some changes and a brighter future for BU Hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 11, 2010, 02:23:40 PM
Mike.hawk82,
I think Bluffton U fans everywhere join you in hoping for brighter days ahead for the men's basketball program and in my case all of the sports in Beavertown.  I am sure with your 100+ games at Bluffton that Darryl Nester and I got to see you play many of those.  As you are aware Bluffton has been pretty loyal to its' coaches over the years and with the men's basketball program having had winning seasons in four of the last five and six of the last ten seasons, Coach Neal has probably not reached a point where Phil or the administration are ready to make a transition, unless there are other factors at play or Coach Neal makes a decision on his own.  I can certainly appreciate and understand your frustrations.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 11, 2010, 04:10:55 PM
I want to review what you are upset about Mike.  Is it this season alone or the that Bluffton doesn't have and HCAC championships?  Seeing that Bluffton posted four season with an above .500 record I would be surprised if a DIII program would fire their coach after a losing season.  Especially a team that is young and lost 10 games by 5 or less and are losing only 3 players and bring back their top 4 scores (3sophmores 1 freshman).  Plus, this is DIII basketball in a middle of the road conferenc not the ACC or Big East where huge contacts are thrown around to win bball games.  As someone mentioned earlier, it is about academics first and sports second. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 12, 2010, 09:06:39 AM
If I read the numbers correctly, Coach Neal is now 234-306 after 21 years at the helm at Bluffton University.  That is roughly 11 wins and 14/15 losses per year. This not the sort of record that many schools would be pleased with, but Bluffton, as I stated above, is pretty loyal to its' coaches and Coach Neal truly wants to win.

Here is a quote from Coach Neal's profile on the BU Athletic Website:(Linked below for proper attribution)

"When Neal arrived at Bluffton University in the fall of 1989, he took over a program that had collected just four winning records in the school's previous 24 seasons. Neal equaled that number is his first nine seasons and has directed seven of Bluffton's top 11 teams in the 89 seasons of basketball in school history."

http://bluffton.edu/sports/mensbasketball/2010/coaches.html

Recruiting improvement (a clear need) will only happen if and when a commitment to a winning athletics program via financial aid packages and capital improvements to facilities become a priority.  If  a quality student-athlete can attend a competing institution with a higher sticker price but with a real discounted rate that is less than Bluffton U's real discounted rate, coupled with a stronger athletic tradition and better facilities, why attend Bluffton U? (Obviously there would be family or faith issues that would be key drivers for some student-athletes in choosing to attend Bluffton U)  All coaches at Bluffton U have one hand tied behind their backs to some degree when they are out on the recruiting trails.

I think this is where Bluffton U finds itself and the remedies are neither quick nor inexpensive.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 16, 2010, 01:37:22 PM
Props to DC's Nick Sales for being named to D3hoops All-Midwest District Team. Also a tip of the cap to AU's Coach Slyder for netting the District Coach of the Year honors. Gettin it done in the HCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on March 18, 2010, 12:16:04 AM
And now DC's Sales named First-Team All-Midwest District by the NABC. Good to see him getting his props for a great season. Which again brings up the question that has been beated to death already in DC hoops water cooler discussions...Sales took over for Pettaway, but who steps in to replace Sales???
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 19, 2010, 07:50:09 AM
Buzz, IMO that's a position that they will be lacking next season for sure unless they get a transfer or a stud freshman. Both Sales and Pettaway were great players that could control the paint and I don't see anyone who is coming back that can fill that void.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 28, 2010, 02:33:59 PM
Very quite around here! 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ItsWhatever on September 13, 2010, 04:49:38 PM
interesting thoughts...can't wait for the season to start.  any off season news?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on October 12, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Should be fun for Hanover fans to open up at Butler this year--Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on October 28, 2010, 09:35:33 AM
Coaches polls put Anderson #1, Manchester #2, Hanover #3 and Trans #4 any predictions out there?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 28, 2010, 01:29:28 PM
A little disappointed that DC was picked sixth in the poll.  I guess that's what happens when you lose two of you top players. 
DC still brings back a lot of good players and did a great job in recruiting IMO.  They will finish in the top of the HCAC this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 29, 2010, 06:51:29 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 28, 2010, 01:29:28 PM
A little disappointed that DC was picked sixth in the poll.  I guess that's what happens when you lose two of you top players. 
DC still brings back a lot of good players and did a great job in recruiting IMO.  They will finish in the top of the HCAC this year.

Bit surprised as well that DC was picked that far down. Obviously the HCAC doesn't believe the Jackets have much talent coming back. We shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 01, 2010, 06:08:44 PM
Seeing Anderson and Manchester in the top 25 and Franklin receiving votes is nice to see for the conference.  Last year may have given the HCAC some national attention.
I'm still looking forward to seeing how DC fairs this season, especially with low expectations from the preseason poll.  They'll still surprise a lot of people this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on November 02, 2010, 05:02:38 PM
Count me in the crowd that can't understand why Manchester is getting so much preseason love? #2 in the HCAC and #25 in the nation? What about Hanover? How does Franklin get votes and Hanover gets nothing? Will also be interesting to see how AU does without Riddle. Do they have another outside threat to keep teams from cheating with a soft zone against their 3 bigs? Gonna be a crazy year once again, and DC likely finishes higher than 6th...but 2011-2012 could be DC's year to shine with so many teams around the league losing big senior classes and the Jackets losing nothing after this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 02, 2010, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: Buzz on November 02, 2010, 05:02:38 PM
Count me in the crowd that can't understand why Manchester is getting so much preseason love? #2 in the HCAC and #25 in the nation? What about Hanover? How does Franklin get votes and Hanover gets nothing? Will also be interesting to see how AU does without Riddle. Do they have another outside threat to keep teams from cheating with a soft zone against their 3 bigs? Gonna be a crazy year once again, and DC likely finishes higher than 6th...but 2011-2012 could be DC's year to shine with so many teams around the league losing big senior classes and the Jackets losing nothing after this year.

Some Top 25 discussion...

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.5760


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#20 Manchester (17-10 overall, 10-6 HCAC/Midwest) – not in 2009-10 tournament
Starters Returning: (5) G Mitch Schaefer, 6-4 SR (11.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg), G/F Tyler Henn, 6-5 SR (9.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg), G Jordan Moss, 6-4 JR (9.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg), G Nathan Ferch, 6-3 SR (8.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg), C Jason Spindler, 6-10 JR (7.4 ppg, 4.1 rpg)

Starters Lost: none

Top Returning Reserve: G Tyler Delauder, 6-1 SR (8.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg)
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Manchester returns all 5 starters and a good reserve from a 17-win team.  And when you dig into their 10 losses, several were to good teams...

- Grace College (NAIA)-- lost in final seconds
- Illinois Wesleyan (Elite 8)-- on last second 30-footer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj4Sd-TFhvM
- Ball State (D1)— 9 point game with 5 minutes to go...ended up losing by 14.
- Anderson (Round of 32) 3 times -- twice in final seconds
- Defiance (1st round loser to Whitewater) - twice
- Hanover (12-4 in HCAC)
- Mount St. Joe - only "bad" loss?


When I was constructing my preseason ballot, Manchester stood out as a team that could be very good this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 03, 2010, 01:09:07 PM
Unless I'm looking in the wrong place (totally possible) it looks like Bluffton and Rose-Hulman haven't listed their 2010-11 rosters to this point.  Are they hiding secret weapons? The rest of the league seems to be up-to-date.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 03, 2010, 01:59:45 PM
Has anyone heard who will be replacing Jake Inman at point for Hanover this year? Whoever it is they will have a tough initiation tomorrow night facing the Butler defense-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on November 03, 2010, 05:42:37 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 01, 2010, 06:08:44 PM
Seeing Anderson and Manchester in the top 25 and Franklin receiving votes is nice to see for the conference.  Last year may have given the HCAC some national attention.

Some good recognition for the HCAC in the Top 25 but I don't give a hoot about any poll, especially preseason polls. Don't even get me started! They're mainly based off of a season that ended 7 months ago, and more than anything don't matter. The only sport they matter in is D-I college football and we all know how dumb that system is. Nice thing about college basketball is there's a big dance at the end of the season and that's all that matters. So good for Anderson and Manchester, but they're going to have to prove what kind of team they are on the court just like everyone else in the nation.

Schedule is anything but kind for DC to start the season after K-Zoo visits a week from Monday. Whitewater, possibly Wheaton at the Wheaton Tourney, ONU along with Anderson and Hanover before Christmas. Love it that the Jackets are playing some traditional powers out of conference. Think it shows how far the program has come in the last five or six seasons.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on November 04, 2010, 09:11:58 PM
If you get the Big 10 network, you can watch the Franklin at Indiana exhibition contest. Not sure if it's live.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 04, 2010, 09:42:37 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 04, 2010, 09:11:58 PM
If you get the Big 10 network, you can watch the Franklin at Indiana exhibition contest. Not sure if it's live.

The game was played yesterday, the replay is on the B10 network now. Indiana won 89-37.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2010, 09:47:39 PM
Well, at least Franklin hung tough with Indiana for the first part of the first half!  Still, a great experience for them.  Remember that about 3-4 years ago, Wheaton played Northwestern and took them to the buzzer in front of a full packed house at Northwestern.  Neat to see this type of games being played early in the season, even if it is an exhibition game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 04, 2010, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 04, 2010, 09:47:39 PM
Well, at least Franklin hung tough with Indiana for the first part of the first half!  Still, a great experience for them.  Remember that about 3-4 years ago, Wheaton played Northwestern and took them to the buzzer in front of a full packed house at Northwestern.  Neat to see this type of games being played early in the season, even if it is an exhibition game.

In 04-05 Carnegie Mellon was beating UPitt (ranked nationally in the preseason that year) at halftime of their exhibition, and led by as many as 7 points in the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half, but ended up losing most of their starting 5 to foul outs after that and lost by double digits.  That was the season before they beat Princeton in a regular season game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2010, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on November 04, 2010, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 04, 2010, 09:47:39 PM
Well, at least Franklin hung tough with Indiana for the first part of the first half!  Still, a great experience for them.  Remember that about 3-4 years ago, Wheaton played Northwestern and took them to the buzzer in front of a full packed house at Northwestern.  Neat to see this type of games being played early in the season, even if it is an exhibition game.

In 04-05 Carnegie Mellon was beating UPitt (ranked nationally in the preseason that year) at halftime of their exhibition, and led by as many as 7 points in the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half, but ended up losing most of their starting 5 to foul outs after that and lost by double digits.  That was the season before they beat Princeton in a regular season game.

I didn't know that, but it is neat to hear about.  In our MIAA, a couple of years ago, Albion played Eastern Michigan in a regular game.  While Eastern is not the team it once was, still it is a MAC team in DI - Albion hasn't had as talented of teams as they've had in some years either so they lost quite handily.  Still, a great experience for those DIII players.

This goes "way back", however, I remember in 1977 when Adrian College of our MIAA played Dick Vitale's great University of Detroit team at U of D's Callahan Hall in front of a capacity >10,000 crowd. I didn't get the chance to go to the game, but listened to it on the radio - the announcers were going crazy with excitement and surprise (no, they weren't Adrian announcers ;D :D) and the crowd was loud and crazy as well - like at the Final Four. That was the year that U of D went to the NCAA's quite far (with future NBA players like John Long).  Adrian was tied with them 50-50 at halftime; but like the CM-Pitt game you mention, they fell behind by 30 in the second half, yet only lost by 10 points at the end.  

Also, not sure if you know this, but Hope College and Calvin College (which was rated the 4th best basketball rivalry in the nation at all NCAA levels by Sports Illustrated fan poll - Duke/North Carolina was the #1 rivalry), played in front of 12,000 people in a regular season game back about 11 years ago.  That is the NCAA record for attendance at a DIII game, which I doubt will be broken.  And that is as many people as attend games at U of Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, etc., etc.  

Pretty neat "stuff" IMO.  Obviously, basketball and baseball are sports where DIII schools can play (and sometimes compete) with the DI schools on occasion, unlike football (although I would love to see a great DIII team play a DI team sometimes - yes, I know 99% of you fellow DIII supporters will say I am crazy for that thought/wish ;D ::)).  Anyway, thanks for sharing the CM-Pitt story.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 05, 2010, 11:22:01 AM
Manchester @ New Mexico Saturday night...

http://www.golobos.com/sports/m-baskbl/nm-m-baskbl-body-main.html


Steve Alford giving a little love to the D3 he used to coach at it looks like.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 05, 2010, 06:35:19 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2010, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on November 04, 2010, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 04, 2010, 09:47:39 PM
Well, at least Franklin hung tough with Indiana for the first part of the first half!  Still, a great experience for them.  Remember that about 3-4 years ago, Wheaton played Northwestern and took them to the buzzer in front of a full packed house at Northwestern.  Neat to see this type of games being played early in the season, even if it is an exhibition game.

In 04-05 Carnegie Mellon was beating UPitt (ranked nationally in the preseason that year) at halftime of their exhibition, and led by as many as 7 points in the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half, but ended up losing most of their starting 5 to foul outs after that and lost by double digits.  That was the season before they beat Princeton in a regular season game.

I didn't know that, but it is neat to hear about.  In our MIAA, a couple of years ago, Albion played Eastern Michigan in a regular game.  While Eastern is not the team it once was, still it is a MAC team in DI - Albion hasn't had as talented of teams as they've had in some years either so they lost quite handily.  Still, a great experience for those DIII players.

This goes "way back", however, I remember in 1977 when Adrian College of our MIAA played Dick Vitale's great University of Detroit team at U of D's Callahan Hall in front of a capacity >10,000 crowd. I didn't get the chance to go to the game, but listened to it on the radio - the announcers were going crazy with excitement and surprise (no, they weren't Adrian announcers ;D :D) and the crowd was loud and crazy as well - like at the Final Four. That was the year that U of D went to the NCAA's quite far (with future NBA players like John Long).  Adrian was tied with them 50-50 at halftime; but like the CM-Pitt game you mention, they fell behind by 30 in the second half, yet only lost by 10 points at the end.  

During its national-championship threepeat run from 1978 thru 1980, North Park defeated three D1 schools: San Diego, Cal-Irvine, and Jacksonville, all on the home floors of those D1 schools. In fact, after Jacksonville succumbed to North Park in December, 79-69, the Dolphins managed to win the Sun Belt Conference and earn a ticket to the big dance. As far as I know, that's the only time that a D1 team has ever lost to a D3 school in the same year that that D1 team went to the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 08, 2010, 02:47:19 PM
The Bluffton men's roster appeared today.  RHIT still is unknown, apart from what one can glean from the press release about the Engineer's exhibition loss to Indiana State, which mentions the names of 7 returning players and 1 freshman.

Here is a brief summary of roster size (we won't know roster quality until we've played a few games):

School      FY+SO+JR+SR= Total
AU
8 + 2 + 1 + 4
= 15
BU
12 + 5 + 6 + 2
= 25
DC
7 + 4 + 5 + 0
= 16
EC
6 + 2 + 4 + 0
= 12
FC
8 + 2 + 5 + 0
= 15
HC
7 + 9 + 1 + 1
= 18
MC
6 + 1 + 3 + 5
= 15
MSJ
12 + 5 + 2 + 4
= 23
RHIT
? + ? + ? + ?
= ??
TU
5 + 9 + 3 + 2
= 19

Notable: No seniors for DC, EC, and FC.

Anyone have reports on your school's incoming class?  (I know that Bluffton's 12 freshmen include, among other things, some much-needed height.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 08, 2010, 07:15:18 PM
Here is a box score of RHIT vs. Indiana State, if you want to compare to last years roster and make some inferences into who is on the roster and who is not (or injured):

http://www.gosycamores.com//pdf8/720601.pdf?SPSID=65150&SPID=7259&DB_OEM_ID=15200
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 08, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
I had looked for a box score at RH's Web site, but did not think to check ISU's. (duh) Thanks, hugenerd.  Hopefully, the RHIT SID will post the new rosters soon, but this gives some information in the mean time.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 08, 2010, 07:52:27 PM
No problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 10, 2010, 08:14:28 AM
Hanover looked pretty good against Butler. Missed some easy shots but over all played hard and never quit against a strong opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on November 10, 2010, 10:36:36 PM
Tried to watch Transy on video vs LM this week but had to settle for live stats.  TU up early in game but then something happened and pioneers stopped scoring.  Trailed 40-21 at half.  Started a freshman point guard and 1 sr and 1 jr.  Not sure what to make of this year's team.  Coaches were upbeat about team early but now they don't really seem to have the same upbeat tune. Coach Lane usually downplays his talent but seems like a very young team. Transy Hoops season starts Monday in Lexington vs. Thomas More who throttled Pioneers pretty good last year in NKY.   I do know the two freshman that are playing in top 10 are pretty darn good.  Ashly Hatfield was leading scorer in KHSAA state championship game last year and was only D3 player in Kentucky/Indiana Allstar games this summer.  Tate Cox is first freshman point guard to start at Transy since Tim Tierney.  HCAC freshman of the year last year Barrett Meyer did not play in exhibition and may miss several games due to broken hand.  Hope we are able to get back to upper part of HCAC as it looked like last year they were pulling away.  Stay tuned.  Looks like Hanover and Franklin played DI games.  I wish Transy would.       
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 11, 2010, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 08, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
I had looked for a box score at RH's Web site, but did not think to check ISU's. (duh) Thanks, hugenerd.  Hopefully, the RHIT SID will post the new rosters soon, but this gives some information in the mean time.

Rose Hulman roster up:

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/1011rost.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 12, 2010, 07:25:30 AM
Yes, it went up a couple of days ago but I did not have time to do much with it.

RHIT's numbers are 6 FY + 5 SO + 5 JR + 1 SR = 17 total.  One of the sophomores is returning player Terrae Hall, who played in 21 games two years ago but did not play last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 16, 2010, 11:34:16 AM
DC starts the season with a W!  Wasn't against the strongest team, but it is a great way to start the season and get ready for a HUGE game against Whitewater.  Both teams lost some signifcant talent so it will be interesting to see who reloaded better in the offseason.  IMO Defiance is still an underated team, but the 19th will be a good measure to see where they are at.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 16, 2010, 02:23:21 PM
In the box scores for last night's games:
DC/Kzoo box score (http://"http://www.defianceathletics.com/media/2010-11/Stats/Men's%20Basketball/dcmb01.htm")
Transy/Thomas More box score (http://"http://www.transy.edu/athletics/go/m_basketball/111510mb.htm")

The numbers of fouls seemed quite high, especially for TU/TMC: 22 (DC), 22 (KC), 30 (TMC), and 28 (TU).

When I looked at a few box scores from last year, most seemed to have 30 or fewer team fouls (combined, for both teams).  Granted, I did not do an extensive survey.

On the CCIW in-game updates board, I saw some speculation that offensive fouls might be a point of emphasis for officials this year (i.e., they might call those fouls more often). Did anyone who saw either of last night's games observe anything to support that?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 16, 2010, 11:03:32 PM
Congrats to Franklin and Manchester, picking up wins tonight.

Maybe last night's foul numbers were anomalous; neither of tonight's games had notably high foul counts.  (Four players fouled out of the Franklin/Trine game, but that was an OT game.)

Can any Franklin fans shed light on why only eight Grizzlies saw action in that game -- and six players (including three freshmen) accounted for 209 of the 225 minutes?  Is it injuries, or something else?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on November 16, 2010, 11:19:26 PM
Transylvania looked bad in opening game, but almost figured out a way to win.  As expected, HCAC FR of Year B. Meyer was out with hand injury. Rumor is intramural football  ??? PG Cox was in street clothes too. Looked like a young team that was struggling to figure out what coaches were asking for.  Atrocious free throw shooting at less than 50%. They better figure something out quick with tough road game at Centre next week. Fouls looked like teams driving to basket and hand checks.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 19, 2010, 09:36:51 PM
Hanover got it handed to them by Chicago- loss 84-66
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 19, 2010, 10:23:27 PM
The Beavers won their opener 61-56 over the host North Central Cardinals in Illinois.  The live stats died in the waning seconds of the game, but freshman Will Pope had a team-high (I think) 14 points in his first game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 19, 2010, 10:51:22 PM
Other than Bluffton and MSJ (winners in the opening round of their tournament, over Temple Baptist), not a good night for the conference, and Defiance, Franklin, RH, Earlham, and the aforementioned Hanover lost.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 20, 2010, 10:18:41 PM
Great start to the season for the Beavers!  Keep it going!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 21, 2010, 07:21:35 PM
Hanover has a nice win over Denison "Big Red" in Chicago on Saturday night and then Denison beats Chicago today after Chicago beat Hanover by 20 on Friday night....go figure.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on November 21, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
With starting 1 and 2 men out for Transy Pioneers, I unfortunately give the vampires little chance against Centre on Tuesday.  Certainly one of the best rivalries in the country but lil' fanfare... :(   Centre has been solid with four straight trips to NCAA but TU has won last 3 of 4.  For a while the SCAC looked like a more potent conference but not sure given Centre has won last 4....
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 23, 2010, 09:51:38 PM
Transy/Centre just ended, with the Pioneers holding on to win 56-51 (or maybe 54-51; the live stats play-by-play shows 54-51 with 4 seconds left, and is no longer updating, although the scoreboard says the game is over).  TU led from the 17:29 mark in the second half, but had to survive a late surge from Centre.  Although they only hit 17-25 (68%) from the line, they were 6 for 6 in the last half-minute.

Defiance/ONU just went into OT2.  Last week's POTW Logan Wolfrum currently leads all scorers with 38.

Final after OT2:  ONU 93, DC 90.  Wolfrum ended with 42 points, including 16-16 FTs and 12-17 from the field (2-5 on 3's).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 24, 2010, 12:30:44 PM
Tough loss for the Jackets last night.  Losing to a team picked seventh in the OAC preseason poll is not a positive indicator for DC.  I got to follow it on live stats and IMO ONU's coach was doing a great job taking time outs and setting up plays to win the game.
Wolfrum is showing that his rookie season wasn't a fluke thus far.  He is putting up some big numbers.  
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 25, 2010, 08:02:52 AM
Bluffton picks up a road win 71-60 at Hiram.  Beavers go to 3-0 for first time since the 1997-98 season and have already exceeded last season's win total (2-23).   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on November 25, 2010, 11:04:10 AM
Looks like the HCAC is off to a pretty good start.  Was not disappointed that my prediction for Transy-Centre was off :D.  Took some grief from some of my pals but did not know that same team that lost to Thomas More would look so different at Danville. Frosh of Year Meyer played after not seeing any time vs. saints.  TU started a junior (Owens), two sophs (Rash and Meyer) and two Frosh (Cox  and Hatfield).  Cox was in street clothes for first game of year. He is good! Hatfield got his first start and was leading scorer. Can't remember a team that young playing so much.  Transy brought a few pep buses of fans.  Most Centre students were on break. Looked like that was a huge plus for the inexperienced Pioneers.  Next up for "Vampire Nation" is Wilmington on Saturday @ 2pm.  I will be watching live via web since food coma will still be in place.... ::)   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on November 27, 2010, 03:14:13 PM
Transy men's game vs. Wilmington is 7 pm tip not 2 pm as indicated earlier by me.  Women play Centre at 2 pm tomorrow.  Had my days wrong.  >:(

live video of tonight's matchup   http://transy.nmtvsports.com/(S(4kvkyibxp3tobuwct051u0oi))/sportzcastplayer.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on November 27, 2010, 10:28:25 PM
Transy gets key home win vs. Wilmington to go to 2-1.  Mark this prediction down in ink..... Brandon Rash will be Transy's next All-American. He was superb tonight with 18 and 11.  http://www.transy.edu/athletics/go/m_basketball/112710.htm

Vampires head to Hanover on Wed. for first HCAC game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 28, 2010, 08:47:15 AM
Bluffton off to a 4-0 start.  That is the second best start in school history (6-0 in the 65-66 season).  The Beavers start conference play this week so things get quite a bit tougher. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 28, 2010, 04:51:59 PM
Hanover has a nice win over Washington Univ. Keep it going Panthers!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 28, 2010, 05:01:37 PM
Rough weekend for the 2 HCAC ranked teams.  Last night #14 Anderson fell @ #24 Augustana.  Today #25 Manchester lost at home to North Central.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 29, 2010, 12:30:58 PM
In regards to the Manchester game, it is interesting to see that Bluffton beat NC and Manchester lost to them.  Maybe the preseason poll had them backwards? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 29, 2010, 01:06:01 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 29, 2010, 12:30:58 PM
In regards to the Manchester game, it is interesting to see that Bluffton beat NC and Manchester lost to them.  Maybe the preseason poll had them backwards? ;)

It looks like North Central shot the ball well for the first time this season.  North Central shot 37% from the field against Bluffton and shot 50% from the floor against Manchester. They were also 2 of 16 from behind the arc against the Beavers and 7 of 17 against the Spartans.  Probably a case of Manchester catching them on their best game of the early season. 

Can the Beavers continue to surprise?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 29, 2010, 02:26:51 PM
BUBeaverFan,

I agree with your assessment, but considering Manchester was picked second in our conference preseason poll and 25th in the country while Bluffton was picked to be 8th, it shouldn't have been a game for Manchester even if NC shot well. 
Bluffton is off to a hot start and it will be interesting to see what they can do.  They showed some promise last year at times.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cardinalpride on November 30, 2010, 07:41:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 29, 2010, 02:26:51 PM
BUBeaverFan,

I agree with your assessment, but considering Manchester was picked second in our conference preseason poll and 25th in the country while Bluffton was picked to be 8th, it shouldn't have been a game for Manchester even if NC shot well.  
Bluffton is off to a hot start and it will be interesting to see what they can do.  They showed some promise last year at times.
DC,
The NCC team that played Manchester on sunday is closer to the NCC team that we  should see the rest of the year.  NCC's preseason all american Derek Raridon is off to a slow start.  Raridon went 5-18 fg with zero ft attempts for 10pts against  Blufton.  Now some of his poor shooting had to do with the Beaver defense but much of it was missed open shots by the "national freshman of the year".  Against Manchester, Raridon was 8-13 fg with 6-7ft for 23pts.  After seeing Blufton play this year, they will definitely be a better than .500 team.  They have a couple of good freshmen to go along with their 4 returning starters.  It shouuld be a good year  for the HCAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 01, 2010, 07:57:13 AM
Any predictions for the Hanover vs. Transy conference game tonight?  It would nice to see Hanover get its offense really going and get a win at home- The Panthers have not shot well at home yet this season-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 01, 2010, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: cardinalpride on November 30, 2010, 07:41:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 29, 2010, 02:26:51 PM
BUBeaverFan,

I agree with your assessment, but considering Manchester was picked second in our conference preseason poll and 25th in the country while Bluffton was picked to be 8th, it shouldn't have been a game for Manchester even if NC shot well.  
Bluffton is off to a hot start and it will be interesting to see what they can do.  They showed some promise last year at times.
DC,
The NCC team that played Manchester on sunday is closer to the NCC team that we  should see the rest of the year.  NCC's preseason all american Derek Raridon is off to a slow start.  Raridon went 5-18 fg with zero ft attempts for 10pts against  Blufton.  Now some of his poor shooting had to do with the Beaver defense but much of it was missed open shots by the "national freshman of the year".  Against Manchester, Raridon was 8-13 fg with 6-7ft for 23pts.  After seeing Blufton play this year, they will definitely be a better than .500 team.  They have a couple of good freshmen to go along with their 4 returning starters.  It shouuld be a good year  for the HCAC!
That's fine, but based on preseason expectations Manchester still shouldn't have lost the game to NCC either way.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cardinalpride on December 01, 2010, 01:54:32 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 01, 2010, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: cardinalpride on November 30, 2010, 07:41:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 29, 2010, 02:26:51 PM
BUBeaverFan,

I agree with your assessment, but considering Manchester was picked second in our conference preseason poll and 25th in the country while Bluffton was picked to be 8th, it shouldn't have been a game for Manchester even if NC shot well.  
Bluffton is off to a hot start and it will be interesting to see what they can do.  They showed some promise last year at times.
DC,
The NCC team that played Manchester on sunday is closer to the NCC team that we  should see the rest of the year.  NCC's preseason all american Derek Raridon is off to a slow start.  Raridon went 5-18 fg with zero ft attempts for 10pts against  Blufton.  Now some of his poor shooting had to do with the Beaver defense but much of it was missed open shots by the "national freshman of the year".  Against Manchester, Raridon was 8-13 fg with 6-7ft for 23pts.  After seeing Blufton play this year, they will definitely be a better than .500 team.  They have a couple of good freshmen to go along with their 4 returning starters.  It shouuld be a good year  for the HCAC!
That's fine, but based on preseason expectations Manchester still shouldn't have lost the game to NCC either way.

Point  taken...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
Manchester seems to have some depth issues in the early goings.  Six players are averaging in double figures (which is amazing), but they have little scoring beyond those six: two other players have contributed 11 points (total).

MC's six freshmen are still pretty much an unknown quantity, too: All have played in at least one game, but only for a total of 39 minutes, and taking a total of 11 shots (making none).  I suspect that some of them might start to see more playing time (and scoring) as the season progresses.

Franklin appears to have similar depth issues:  Six players have covered 927 of the 1025 collective minutes they have played this season, and accounted for all but 13 of their points.  Only four other players have seen the floor.  I seem to recall this happening at Franklin in seasons past, but after a few weeks, more players joined the rotation.  Perhaps we will see that again this year.

(Of course, my real reason for doing this analysis is to try to spur SOMEONE from Manchester or Franklin to join the conversation, and give us an opinion based on first-hand observation, rather than having to rely on information gleaned from the season box score.  MSJ, AU, and EC posters are welcome to join in, too.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 01, 2010, 04:17:27 PM
Quote from: zander on December 01, 2010, 07:57:13 AM
Any predictions for the Hanover vs. Transy conference game tonight?  It would nice to see Hanover get its offense really going and get a win at home- The Panthers have not shot well at home yet this season-
I'm going to go with Transy on this one. They have put two games in a row together or at least a lot better than their first.  Hanover has had some inconsitent play IMO as well, so again, I'll pick Transy on this one.

I'm looking forward to seeing if DC can bounce back from their loss to ONU.  They need to play big if they want to take this one and will need better bench production too.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on December 01, 2010, 09:04:00 PM
Bluffton starts the game on a 12-0 run and moves to 5-0 with a win over Mt. St. Joe 82-76.  Last 5 minutes were pretty sloppy. Beavers host Transy on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2010, 09:41:19 PM
Hanover over Transy in OT, 68-60
DC over Anderson, 72-67
RHIT over Franklin, 84-78

The home teams have all picked up single-digit wins.  Live stats feed for MC @ EC is not working for me, so I don't know how that is going.  (I'd be surprised to see the home team pick up the win in that game.)

Live stats finally came up from Earlham; MC picks up the lone road win, 72-63.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 02, 2010, 12:58:09 PM
Hanover pulls off a good win against Transy and shot much better than they did against Wash. U and Wabash---The point guard Pangallo is doing a good job filling Jake Inman's shoes and Hanover is moving the ball well.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 02, 2010, 01:04:23 PM
I was pretty happy with the DC win over Anderson.  I watched part of the first half on video and IMO it was a pretty sloppy first half with poor shot selection by both teams.  There was a lot of trading baskets through out the game too.

Even though I picked Transy, Hanover should have one that game and they did so it wasn't a big suprise.  I was suprised that RHIT beat Franklin.  RHIT's off to a fast start and I wonder if it will continue at home against DC on Saturday?  

Congrats to Bluffton for keeping their streak alive.  They'll get their first true test against Transy on Saturday followed by Anderson.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on December 02, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
Kudos to Hanover for their live video coverage of last night's Transy-Hanvoer game.  Enjoyed the great quality picture, different angles and radio guy that is pretty darn good.

Pioneers take lead by as many as 9 in second half but could not hold on.  Freshman Ashley Hatfield continues to impress with 19 points.  Rash fouled out late in game and Vampire offense looked like it struggled after that while Panthers hit overdrive.  Bluffton Transy game will be interesting to say the least.   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 02, 2010, 08:46:45 PM
yes.. the live feed was wonderful for the hanover - Transy game. I hope it continues all year. The Freshman from Transy is tough!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 04, 2010, 09:38:16 AM
                 Defiance       Rose-Hulman       3:00 PM    Live stats
Audio
      
     Earlham       Franklin       3:00 PM    Live stats
      
     Anderson (Ind.)       Mt. St. Joseph       3:00 PM    Live stats
      
     Transylvania       Bluffton       4:00 PM    Live stats
      
     Manchester       Hanover       5:00 PM    Live stats
Audio

I've got Defiance, Franklin, Anderson, Transylvania, and Hanover. We'll see if Bluffton is for real. And Hanover vs Manchester should be close down to the wire.
      
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on December 04, 2010, 06:04:07 PM
Beavers can't overcome 23 turnover afternoon and lose their first of the year to Transy 65-57. Beavers won the rebounding battle but the 23-7 turnover number killed them. Other stats were pretty even.  Transy had a +6 in FT's.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 04, 2010, 07:40:20 PM
The video coverage wasn't as good tonight for the Panther fans but the win was a good one over Manchester-- A great team effort with offense coming from a lot of different players. Now, they have a week to prepare for their first Road Conf. game against Defiance on Saturday. Hopefully, the defense will get more aggressive and Hanover will pull off another victory.


Rose Hulman looks to be another tough team in HCAC. With a win against Defiance tonight they move to 5-1 for the season. I bet Defiance player Wolfrum will be looking for a big shooting night against Hanover after a tough one tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on December 08, 2010, 09:51:49 PM
Anderson over Bluffton 76-68.   Anderson let by 12 at half,Beavers tied it twice in the second half.  Decent showing by the Beavers on the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2010, 09:56:19 PM
Meanwhile, the other two games were double-digit margins: RHIT stayed perfect in the conference, beating Earlham 83-69, and Transy pounded Franklin, 88-63.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: treyall222 on December 09, 2010, 02:47:28 PM
Brandon Rash poured in 27 points.  He is leading the team in points, rebounds, assists and steals!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 12, 2010, 03:46:55 PM
Hanover picked up a hard fought victory on the road against Defiance- The fast paced game kept everyone at the edge of their seats until the final buzzer. Great game to watch! The Panthers remain unbeaten in conference play-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on December 12, 2010, 04:52:19 PM
Transylvania moves to 5-2 on the season and 2nd in HCAC with lone loss at Hanover in OT.  Vampires have four more home non-conference games before starting back into the HCAC.  Looked like they really lost their edge in 2nd half of yesterday's close game vs. Rose.  A win but surely a little concerning to TU staff.  Looks like if this team can stay healthy, an upper part of conference finish is possible.  Treyall222, I predicted in Nov. that Rash will be TU's next all-american.  you agree ?

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on December 12, 2010, 04:55:36 PM
Transylvania's Brian Lane has a television show this year.  here is the link  http://www.wkyt.com/sports/misc/78679182.html  .   many other D III schools have this setup?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 12, 2010, 06:46:44 PM
where's dc has been??? nothing since Dec 2? Hope he is ok?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 13, 2010, 11:48:18 AM
Zander,  I'm all good!  Thanks for the  concern  ;).  Been struggling with work, having a newborn along with a 2 year old, and sports.  My fantasy football team is suffering the most! ;D 
Anyway,  I'm seeing the flaws in DC and why they were picked to be 6th.  They still can play with anyone in the confernece, but need to work out their chemestry. IMO the conference looks like it is going to be up for grabs between several teams when all is said and done. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 13, 2010, 08:12:36 PM
going by your name I didn't know how far of a has been you were. Maybe you went to school at Defiance in 1932? Were you at the Hanover game? Logan is a handful!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on December 13, 2010, 11:21:42 PM
Transylvania's Brandon Rash is the Player of the Week for HCAC  http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/potw/2010-11/1011_week4
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 14, 2010, 04:30:51 PM
Quote from: zander on December 13, 2010, 08:12:36 PM
going by your name I didn't know how far of a has been you were. Maybe you went to school at Defiance in 1932? Were you at the Hanover game? Logan is a handful!
I'm a has been for 9 years now.  In regards to the Hanover game, since I live in California it makes it difficult to go to games but I catch one on the live feed every once in a while. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 20, 2010, 06:26:31 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 14, 2010, 04:30:51 PM
I'm a has been for 9 years now.  In regards to the Hanover game, since I live in California it makes it difficult to go to games but I catch one on the live feed every once in a while. 

If you're still procreating, isn't "has_been" an oxymoron  ??? Talk with me when another three decades have elapsed, BP.  ;) 

BTW, congrats on the new sibling for Lily!  Old Adage - Tri-weekly, Try Weekly, and Try Weakly. 

Holiday Greetings from the Gopher of Sixbee's - Bev and Bob's Batswan Bed, Breakfast, and Bordello; Gaborone, BW
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 21, 2010, 05:37:14 AM
Looks like Anderson went home for break a little early. They sure didn't show up to play Monday night. With the exception of about a 5 minute spurt in the latter part of the first half they played with -0- intensity. Was hoping for a close game and maybe an upset of #1. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RHITCHCH on December 22, 2010, 01:29:54 AM
Hot start for the young Engineers in 2010, looks like conference play is going to be tough night in and night out as usual in the Heartland!

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 30, 2010, 01:13:22 AM
Good job Panthers winning the Centre College Holiday Tournament in Danville Kentucky. Mike Case had two double doubles to win the MVP award!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 01, 2011, 10:01:43 PM
Any predictions for the upcoming Anderson games against RH and Hanover?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 03, 2011, 03:54:09 PM
I'm going to go with Anderson over RHIT and Hanover over Anderson.  I'm still not sold on RHIT, but Hanover is a tough one.   Hanover has shown they are a solid team.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 04, 2011, 03:56:31 PM
Nice to see Transy and Hanover getting some votes for the Top 25
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 05, 2011, 12:22:58 PM
Picks for Wed. Jan.5th
Defiance
Earlham
Anderson
RH
Hanover

Picks for Sat. Jan 8th
Franklin
Hanover
RH
Defiance
Anderson
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 06, 2011, 01:08:26 PM
Well at least Hanover will continue to get some top 25 consideration.  I am happy though that DC beat Transy!  DC is still leaving me with a bunch of questions of what kind of team they are?  I know they are young, but at moments they look to be top tier and then they are playing at a mid level.  Hopefully they'll win the next four because they will have a tough five game stretch after that. RHIT (home), Anderson (away), Hanover (away), Manchester (home), and Transy (away).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 12, 2011, 06:44:38 AM
dc_has_been / prophetic or soothsayer?  Regardless, congrats to the Panther men cracking the top 25 and the Hanover women pushing the trapdoor, seeking similar exalted status!

Question - as the Heartland gridiron board has been silent for three straight weeks, can we now declare it officially comatose?  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 12, 2011, 06:58:23 AM
ha ha   I don't know what has happened to this board--It has never been hopping but last year it was much more active than this year, and we have some strong teams in this league to talk about so it doesn't add up- 

Hanover has stretch of 6 games that will really test their mental toughness. It's going to get very exciting for Panther Fans during the rest of the month of January-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 12, 2011, 11:33:50 AM
Yes, officially camatose would be the best way to put it. 
I would say both HCAC boards (fball & bball)  was and is relatively slow this year.  Not a lot of reps from all of our schools. I've always enjoyed the coversations, friendships, and information from it but that's just me.
In regards to Hanover, it is great to see them in the top 25. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 13, 2011, 01:53:41 AM
Agree with y'all - with four-six teams as contenders, night in and out, and one of the (potentially) tightest races in the Midwest (or Great Lakes for that matter), the lack of input is surprising.  Apologies on that score from this end - in this locale, radio broadcasts are so heavily buffered (plus middle of the night) that efforts to stay abreast are painful.  ::)  Spent 36 hours to download one half of the Monon Bell game before finally surrendering to the broadband inadequacies of third world internet service  :(.

Thanks to those of you who continue to contribute and remain a personal source of sanity ;D - well, sometimes.  ;)  Cheers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 13, 2011, 08:28:01 AM
Just read about the athletic trainer, Dan Gorman, from Mount Union who lost his life in a bus accident traveling from Ohio Northern. Our prayers go out for his children, wife and friends-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 13, 2011, 10:24:29 AM
May God's love and healing touch be with all in the Mount Union family as they deal with this tragedy.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 13, 2011, 02:36:42 PM
Very sad to hear. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 13, 2011, 02:42:06 PM
If you are a student, faculty, or staff at a school, I would encourage you to sign a "group card" and send it to Mount Union.  If you have any doubts about the value of sending such cards on an occasion like this, I can say that following the Bluffton bus accident in 2007, it was very touching and reassuring to see the evidence that people were thinking about us.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 14, 2011, 04:14:21 AM
My condolences and prayers for the Mt Union family as well.   

An excellent point and suggestion, Darryl.  The 2007 tragedy struck pretty close to home for this ATL resident (at the time) and former high school classmate of #4's father and aunt.  Regrettably, such incidents jostle daily complacency and serve as stark reminders of how fleeting and fragile life may be. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 16, 2011, 02:25:11 AM
Well, Hanover takes sole custody of the HCAC...for now.  Anderson and Manchester will have a battle on the 19th to see who will be standing at 2nd in the conference.  Hanover will be tough to knock out with a two game lead right now but anything can happen.  They have three road games coming up and they aren't against easy teams either.  Hoping it will pay a toll on them when DC comes to town. 
I'm glad to see DC was able to have a strong second half and hold strong in OT!  They have a tough 6 game stretch coming up and will need to play very well if they want to stay towards the top of the HCAC, especially having Anderson and Hanover back-to-back at their respective arena's!  When all is said and done we'll see what type of team DC is.  Regardless, Bluffton comes to town and they've shown they are a very dangerous team.  Smash the Beavers!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 16, 2011, 09:13:06 PM
Hanover played a nice game against a very physical Anderson team. They kept their cool down the stretch and secured the win. They need to hit their free throws in future games to close games out though.

They will be tested with the 4 remaining games in January. If they continue to play as a team with contributions from 10+ players anything is possible. Hanover plays smart and tough. There seems to be real unity among the players and the coaches. They are fun to watch-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DCJackets4 on January 17, 2011, 12:26:57 PM
Hey everyone new to the board! Thought I would weigh in here since the thread seems to have died down since last year!

Just about half way through conference play and things seem to be shaping up almost as expected with Hanover, Anderson, and Manchester leading the charge with Defiance on their heels. I have been most impressed with Hanover so far. Starting 8-0 is not an easy task in the HCAC and I was impressed with the win at Defiance. Playing and winning at DC is a tough task especially with the way this DC team plays at home. It will be tough for any team to take the top spot away from Coach Miller and his team. They are extremely well coached, talented, and will always have a chance to win every game in my opinion.

Defiance is a tough team to put my finger on. It seems like on any given night, depending on which DC team shows up, they can either play with anyone or they can get blown out by anyone. Lately, they have been being the team that can play with anyone. A lot of that has to do with them being a young team and losing 6 seniors from last year. Hopefully they continue to improve, especially on the defensive end, because with Logan Wolfrum on your team, anything can happen. The game Wednesday against Bluffton will be interesting to watch. Two young teams going at it, with some possible seeding implications at stake when it is all said and done. The Weaner Center should be rockin' on Wednesday night!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 18, 2011, 10:35:59 AM
Welcome to the board  DCJackets4!  Nice to have another Jacket on the board!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 18, 2011, 12:53:39 PM
Lets get some picks for tomorrow night's games



FRANKLIN over MSJ
DEFIANCE over Bluffton
TRANSY  over Earlham
HANOVER over RH
ANDERSON over Manchester
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 18, 2011, 02:19:46 PM
With ten games to go the Beavers stand at 11-4 (4-4 HCAC) a year after going 2-23 (2-14 HCAC).  If they continue playing well and secure a winning season, Coach Neal might be up for "Coach of the Year" honors.  Big game Wednesday for the Beavers as they try to stay in the conference tourney mix.  I think the 'Jackets are certain to make the conference tourney regardless of Wednesday's outcome. 

1/19 at Defiance
1/22 at Transylvania
1/26 at Mount St Joseph
1/29 FRANKLIN
2/2     ANDERSON
2/5     HANOVER
2/9     at Manchester
2/12 at Rose-Hulman
2/16 DEFIANCE
2/19 at Earlham

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DCJackets4 on January 18, 2011, 03:27:23 PM
I got:

Franklin
Defiance
Transy
Hanover
Manchester
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 19, 2011, 05:03:38 PM
Wednesday's match ups
MSJ at Franklin-I'm taking Franklin
Bluffton at DC-DC
EC at Transy-Transy
HC at RHIT-HC
MC at AC-Tough one to pick so I'll go with the home team Anderson

   


Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 19, 2011, 09:23:28 PM
Bluffton defeats Defiance on the road 57-55. Good win for the Beavers! 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 19, 2011, 09:40:34 PM
Freshman Will Pope had a career-high 23 off the bench in that Beaver win.  Jackets took a 53-48 lead with 4 minutes left, but managed only 2 FTs the rest of the way.

The other home teams picked up wins, including RHIT handing Hanover their first loss (by 2), AU edging MC by 2, and Franklin and Transy winning handily.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 20, 2011, 08:48:46 AM
Some good games last that!  Three of the five decided by 2 points.  Not surprised but ticked Bluffton edged DC especially hear DC had an advantage but threw it away in the end.  Really surprised about Hanover, b/c they just seemed unstoppable but eventually someone was going to stop their streak.  Anderson pulled out a tough one to hold down second (currently) by them selves and are now only 1 game behind HC.  Thins are shaping up.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 20, 2011, 11:11:15 AM
The Hanover vs. RH game was a tough game for Hanover. 10 turnovers in the first half seemed to set the tone for a dismal performance. 14-23 from the line against RH who was 20-24. They did not play with energy and their passing was lazy.  The Panthers did not seem hungry like they did when they played Defiance on the road. RH on the other hand played with passion and excitement and deserved the win.

Hopefully, Hanover will come out with something to prove against Manchester on Saturday.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 20, 2011, 12:29:15 PM
Thanks for the update Zander!  I was to lazy to check the box score and seeing those two statistics does some it up. 
Hanover does have a big one b/c Manchester is a very dangerous team and could really open things up for a lot of teams in the HCAC if they beat Hanover. 
I'm curious to know what is going on with the minutes that are being dealt out?  Plus, what's up with Morris and Heitkamp, are they that bad that they are rarely getting used?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: treyall222 on January 20, 2011, 02:45:52 PM
Big wins last night for Rose, Bluffton and Anderson...League is very very strong this year.  Seven teams with ten wins already
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DCJackets4 on January 21, 2011, 07:14:17 PM
Tough game for the Jackets the other night. It was really disappointing to see them come out and play with no toughness whatsoever. Bluffton won that game by being tougher and hats off to them on playing tough enough to win on the road in a rivalry game. Hopefully the Jackets can rebound from a tough loss quickly because it will not get any easier with Rose coming to town tomorrow. They play with the same toughness that Bluffton plays with.

The Hanover loss really opens up the race for the regular season title. It is a shame that the Jackets couldn't pull out a win and get more into that hunt. It will be a long shot for them to host now.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 22, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
Beavers lose a tough won on the road 67-65 at Transy.  Beavers fall to 12-5 (5-5 HCAC).

Rose-Hulman over Defiance 70-65
Anderson over Mt.St. Joe 81-58
Manchester over Hanover 67-52
Franklin over Earlham 63-54

                         HCAC All
Hanover             8-2 12-4
Anderson (Ind.)  8-2 12-5
Manchester        7-3 11-6
Rose-Hulman     6-4 12-5
Transylvania      6-4 12-5
Bluffton             5-5 12-5
Defiance            5-5 10-7
Franklin             4-6 6-11
Mt. St. Joseph    1-9 3-14
Earlham            0-10 2-15
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 23, 2011, 03:19:14 PM
The way almost all of these teams are playing so close and with most teams able to win on the road over any other team, I think this conference tourney is WIDE OPEN no matter who hosts it.

Hanover played without Mitchel Meyer but Brian Gunter stepped in for Hanover with a double double-- No real excuse that they played so poorly at Manchester but hopefully Jon Miller can turn things around soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 24, 2011, 04:53:41 PM
Well it looks like these teams are just going to beat up on eachother for the remainder of the year.  From Hanover to DC I still think it is up for grabs.  I am worried about the Jackets b/c they have only 5 games out of 8 on the road which they are 3-4 so far and play several tough teams at their place.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 25, 2011, 02:45:48 AM
Regrettably, it appears to this wayward, desert rat that DC has perhaps played themselves out of consideration with only ManU as a remaining game at home, two losses to RHIT, and contentious roadies with Hannie, Transy, Andy, and Bluffton.  Not sure "which" Franklin team will show up in Defiance, and MSJ and Earlham should be (operative word - should...) victories at home.  Sincerely hope the Jackets might put together a streak and run the table, but it is one heck of a gauntlet and absolutely no room for a slip up.  Better to control, rather than chance, the path to an objective.

BTW, Happy Robert Burns Day   ;) - haggis, neeps and tatties, Mortlach 21, and a readied knife  ;D

"Some hae meat and canna eat
And some wad eat that want it;
But we hae meat and we can eat
And say the Lord bethankit.


                               -  Selkirk Grace 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 26, 2011, 10:27:20 AM
It is great to have the last half of the conference season have some meaning for the Beavers.  Just a win away from a winning regular season record and maybe only a few more wins away from conference tourney possibilities. Go Beavers!

1/26 at MSJ
1/29 FRANKLIN
2/2 ANDERSON
2/5 HANOVER
2/9 at Manchester
2/12 at Rose-Hulman
2/16 DEFIANCE
2/19 at Earlham

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 26, 2011, 09:36:38 PM
Bluffton 85 @ MSJ 73
Earlham 57 @ Manchester 75
RHIT 50 @ Franklin 71
Hanover 67 @ Transy 77
Defiance 56 @ Anderson 85

Double-digit margins across the board; the home teams go 4-1.  Defiance and Hanover now go into their Saturday matchup (@ HC) each seeking to break a three-game skid.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 27, 2011, 08:50:38 AM
Good win for the Beavers! Hopefully they can sneak into the conference tourney.

1/29 FRANKLIN
2/2 ANDERSON
2/5 HANOVER
2/9 at Manchester
2/12 at Rose-Hulman
2/16 DEFIANCE
2/19 at Earlham

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 28, 2011, 08:40:23 PM
Wow, what happened with the Panthers?  They seemed unstoppable and then hit a wall. 
DC needs to get it together if the want to make the HCAC tourny, which I'm not feeling optimistic about right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 29, 2011, 10:19:32 AM
It's hard to identify what happened to the Panthers- The 3 game road trip seemed to strip them of all their energy. They showed up at RH like they were 0-8 rather than 8-0. Poor execution and poor free throw shooting. They followed that up with a very poor team performance at Manchester. Did not see the Transy game but a double digit loss in a must win game is confusing. Their offense was swift and intense to begin the season. Now it looks slow and sloppy. If they can get 100% effort and focus back they will be fine- if not ?????????
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 29, 2011, 08:37:23 PM
Bluffton facing a tough three game stretch against the current top three teams in the HCAC.  Probably have to win at least one to stay in conference tourney consideration.

2/2 ANDERSON
2/5 HANOVER
2/9 at Manchester
2/12 at Rose-Hulman
2/16 DEFIANCE
2/19 at Earlham

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on January 30, 2011, 04:47:19 PM
got to think the regular season race is Anderson's to lose at this point.

been watching from afar this season ready for tourney time
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 30, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
With Anderson up by 1 game they can secure first place if they win out the remaining 6 games of the season--With 4 of those being road games against good teams it will be a tough challenge but Anderson has put themselves at the top.  Hanover or Manchester will have their work cut out for them but I sure hope the Panthers regain 1st place!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:21:19 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 02, 2011, 04:56:08 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:21:19 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Nice to see that Hanover and Anderson are still hanging in the Midwest rankings at 5 and 7.  Before I clicked on it I thought there wouldn't be any HCAC team on the list. 
The HCAC teams have done a good job beating on eachother and not leaving anyone the clear favorite to win the conference even though that will probably not be enough to get any of them an auto bid.  Come conference tourny time things will be interesting. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DCJackets4 on February 03, 2011, 12:15:02 PM
Wow was I wrong about a week ago when I said the regular season title would end up with Hanover! While that can still happen, it seems like Anderson really has things rolling right now. But who knows, the DCJackets curse just might be developing right before our eyes. Hanover, Anderson, and Manchester have a lock on the top 3 spots and do not seem to be showing any signs of giving them up. Even though the Panthers gave the Hanover faithful quite the scare after losing 3 in a row. It will be interesting to see who ends up as the HCAC regular season champs.

As for the other 3 spots in the tourney, it seems like tonight is a make or break night for both Defiance and Franklin. They are both sitting two games back of the 6th and final spot and have tough games tonight with Defiance playing Manchester and Franklin playing Transy. If they lose, they are both certainly not totally out of it, but making the conference tourney will be a very hard task and they will both need some help to get in.

I have been really disappointed in the fall of my Jackets. They have been playing very uninspired basketball lately and it has been showing in the last 4 games. They have not led for one second in the last 3 games! That is something a DC fan has not been used to in the last 4 years. Their offense is one dimensional, with Wolfrum having to create every play for a team that has limited playmakers and having the ball in his hands nearly 90% of the time. The rest of the HCAC has figured that out and are exploiting it. The issues defensively are a mile long but can be solve with one thing, TOUGHNESS! This group has not shown any of the toughness that the team had last year with the core group of seniors. Nate Conley has been a huge loss for this group. He was very unheralded as a contributor for last years team but he set the tone for the Jackets defensively. Not having his leadership and Sales and Floyd's playmaking abilities has really hurt this young DC team and hopefully one of them can find that same fire that Conley had and get the rest of the guys to follow. Either that or I hope Coach Brumett can find a group of recruits just like the group Miller brought in with Sales, Floyd, Conley, Stolly, Armstrong, and Stuckey. This DC team needs to find that toughness that the program has steadily built over the last 4 years with that group of seniors last year. Once this group realizes that, I see them going nowhere but up. Until that day comes, I just hope they make the conference tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2011, 09:43:41 PM
Manchester wins at Defiance, RHIT wins at home over Earlham, and (last night) Hanover defeated MSJ.  The live stats from Transy/Franklin are stuck at halftime (TU 31, FC 24), but surely that game is over by now ... if that result held in the second half, it would mean that the higher-placed teams all won (so far, with AU/BU delayed to next Monday night).

(Update) The live stats are still stuck, but the final is posted: TU 71, FC 57.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2011, 05:20:12 PM
Hanover over Bluffton, 83-76.  A game of streaks, with the final streak to the Panthers, outscoring the Beavers 19-7 over the last 7:30 of the game.

Elsewhere:
Defiance 67 @ Transy 72
RHIT 59 @ Manchester 67

Franklin @ AU just went to overtime, after the Ravens erased a 9-point deficit in the final 1:13 of regulation.

The live stats for MSJ @ Earlham are stuck at 12 seconds with the Quakers holding a slim 2-point lead, 67-65.  Did they pick up their first conference win?   Don't know yet.
MSJ 68 @ Earlham 67.  Live stats are still stalled at 12 seconds; I guess the EC staff was too crushed to finalize it.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2011, 05:33:40 PM
Franklin beats AU in overtime, 94-91.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 05, 2011, 05:52:33 PM
Well, I was almost ready to echo a familiar refrain from the NCAC lower division - thank goodness for the Quakers but I might not be quite so quick to rule them out vs DC on Wednesday night.  Have to believe that when folks along US 24 were wishing a meltdown, it was aimed at excessive snows - not Yellow Jacket woes
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 05, 2011, 06:37:30 PM
Looking at the remaining games for Anderson, Hanover, and Manchester (all with 3 losses currently) any predictions on who has the toughest road to winning out and taking 1st place in the conference?:
Anderson has to beat:
Bluffton, Rose Hulman, Transy, and Manchester on the road and finish up with Hanover at HOME.
Hanover has to beat Franklin (their rival) at Franklin, then two HOME games against Earlham and RH, and finish up with a big game against Anderson at Anderson-
Manchester has 3 HOME games against Bluffton, Anderson and Transy with a trip to Franklin thrown in there.

At a quick glance, it looks like Anderson has the toughest row to hoe but it's anyone's conference to win or lose. Should be an exciting February in the Heartland Conf.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 07, 2011, 09:29:04 PM
Beavers can't overcome a bad shooting night at lose to Anderson 86-78.  Beavers trailed by 45-19 at the half and closed the gap to 6 but could get no closer. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 09, 2011, 11:03:07 AM
Quote from: zander on February 05, 2011, 06:37:30 PM
Looking at the remaining games for Anderson, Hanover, and Manchester (all with 3 losses currently) any predictions on who has the toughest road to winning out and taking 1st place in the conference?:
Anderson has to beat:
Bluffton, Rose Hulman, Transy, and Manchester on the road and finish up with Hanover at HOME.
Hanover has to beat Franklin (their rival) at Franklin, then two HOME games against Earlham and RH, and finish up with a big game against Anderson at Anderson-
Manchester has 3 HOME games against Bluffton, Anderson and Transy with a trip to Franklin thrown in there.

At a quick glance, it looks like Anderson has the toughest row to hoe but it's anyone's conference to win or lose. Should be an exciting February in the Heartland Conf.
The thing is, it is a bummer that the team who wins the conference is not a lock for the automatic bid.  It will be who wins the HCAC tourny and I don't think that helps the host whether it's Andersson, Hanover or Manchester.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 09, 2011, 12:52:58 PM
Early in the season I thought it wouldn't matter who hosted the tourney, but after watching the Panthers crash and burn on a 3 game road stretch, it might REALLY benefit them to play the tourney in Hanover-  It's going to be a hard fought battle no matter what-

Picks for tonight:

Hanover
Anderson
Bluffton
Defiance
Transy
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 10, 2011, 12:59:34 AM
Ah, the losing streak comes to an end and it's quarter drafts at Kistners' for the DC faithful.  Congrats, YJs!  :)

What an interesting ten days ahead and a total, jumbled rumble for the relished, "congeniality" slot - it's "fish or cut bait time" for DC if they want to lace'm up after the 19th.  Then, the question of "hosting" somewhere along an eastern Indiana corridor (probably the "safest bet in the HCAC" at present).  ;)

"We're in the cast from week to week - hoping for the chance to speak..."

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/96/96pmono.phtml (http://snltranscripts.jt.org/96/96pmono.phtml) 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 10, 2011, 06:43:33 AM
Beavers go 0-3 against the top 3 to leave themselves in precarious position for earning a conference tourney spot.  With Anderson, Hanover, Manchester and Transylvania having clinched conference tourney spots it leaves, Bluffton, Defiance, Franklin and Rose-Hulman battling for the last 2 spots.

Bluffton @ Rose-Hulman, vs. Defiance, @ Earlham
Defiance @ MSJ, @ Bluffton, vs. Franklin
Franklin vs. Manchester, @ MSJ, @ Defiance
Rose-Hulman vs. Bluffton, @ Hanover, vs. MSJ

Should make for an exciting last few games. Go Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 10, 2011, 12:47:40 PM
Well, at least DC broke their losing streak with a dominant win with a lot of different players getting to participate.  Hopefully they can win out and have a shot getting the 6 seed in the HCAC tournament.  It won't be easy having to go to Bluffton and play IMO, an underated Franklin team.  I'm not trying to overlook MSJ, but I find  the last two as more of a challenge. 
Bluffton will have a two tough ones as well playing at RHIT and then Defiance (depending which team shows).
Franklin and RHIT both have to play some tough competion as well.  I 'm going with RHIT locking down the 5 and 6 up for grabs.....for now.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2011, 04:43:54 PM
Beavers lose their fourth straight to RHIT.  Rose has clinched a spot in the top 5, leaving Bluffton, Defiance, and Franklin fighting for #6.

Bluffton stands at 7-9 in the conference.

Defiance (having just lost to MSJ, 56-55) slipped to 6-10.

In the first half, Franklin -- currently 6-9 -- trails Manchester (@MC)  20-36.
(edit:  Franklin is at home vs. MC; the score is 26-40 at the half.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 12, 2011, 05:10:09 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 10, 2011, 12:47:40 PM
Well, at least DC broke their losing streak with a dominant win with a lot of different players getting to participate.  Hopefully they can win out and have a shot getting the 6 seed in the HCAC tournament.  It won't be easy having to go to Bluffton and play IMO, an underated Franklin team.  I'm not trying to overlook MSJ, but I find  the last two as more of a challenge. 
Bluffton will have a two tough ones as well playing at RHIT and then Defiance (depending which team shows).
Franklin and RHIT both have to play some tough competion as well.  I 'm going with RHIT locking down the 5 and 6 up for grabs.....for now.
My bad!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 12, 2011, 05:44:48 PM
Bluffton (7-9)      vs. Defiance, @ Earlham
Defiance (6-10)  @Bluffton, vs. Franklin
Franklin (6-10)   @ MSJ, @ Defiance

Big game at Founder's Hall on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2011, 06:23:21 PM
AU beat TU to round out today's action.  Here are the complete standings, remaining games, and a table of final standings.  (The percents represent the fraction of the 210=1024 possible outcomes that lead to each team being in each position.)


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Manchester13-37-06-3vs. AU, vs. TU
Hanover13-38-05-3vs. RHIT, @ AU
Anderson12-47-15-3@ MC, vs. HC
Transylvania10-67-23-4@ EC, @ MC
Rose-Hulman10-67-13-5@ HC, vs. MSJ
Bluffton7-95-32-6vs. DC, @ EC
Defiance6-104-42-6@ BU, vs. FC
Franklin6-104-52-5@ MSJ, @ DC
Mount St. Joseph3-132-61-7vs. FC, @ RHIT
Earlham0-160-70-9vs. TU, vs. BU



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  #7  #8  #9  #10 
Hanover
40.62%40.62%18.75%--------------
Manchester
34.38%34.38%31.25%--------------
Anderson
25.00%25.00%46.88%3.12%------------
Transylvania
------38.67%61.33%----------
Rose-Hulman
----3.12%58.20%38.67%----------
Bluffton
----------73.93%23.24%2.83%----
Defiance
----------17.24%40.53%42.24%----
Franklin
----------8.84%36.23%54.93%----
Mount St. Joseph
----------------100.00%--
Earlham
------------------100.00%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 12, 2011, 10:52:55 PM
Congrats to Hanover on a good win today-

Would like to see Panthers finish strong at home against RH on Wed. and give Mitchell Myer a deserved tribute for being the lone senior on the squad this year. When he plays with energy, he sure is fun to watch.

Here's hoping the statistical breakdown posted above works out and Hanover gets to host!

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 14, 2011, 09:15:59 AM
If there ends up a tie between 2 or more teams for first place- how is tournament location decided?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2011, 09:34:26 AM
Quote from: zander on February 14, 2011, 09:15:59 AM
If there ends up a tie between 2 or more teams for first place- how is tournament location decided?

In the past, the HCAC web site listed the details of the tie-breaker procedure.  I don't know if that information is still listed anywhere.

It is possible that the procedure has been altered; for example, I think at some point in the process they now consider in-region opponents' W-L records.  But according to my program (which produced the table above), if the first steps in the tie-breaker process are unchanged, there was no chance of an unbreakable tie for the #1 seed.

If you want to see the procedure, here are the links to those discussions in 2007:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3706.msg677225#msg677225
and 2008:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3706.msg866642#msg866642
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 16, 2011, 10:32:22 AM
Transylvania @ Earlham
Anderson @ Manchester          
RHIT @ Hanover    
   
Franklin @ Mt. St. Joseph       
Defiance @ Bluffton
      
Could be pretty exciting venues tonight!

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 16, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
A lot of MUST WIN games tonight! It's hard to believe that with only 2 games left so much is still undecided in the HCAC
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:32:01 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 16, 2011, 09:30:35 PM
Defiance over Bluffton 66-62 in OT (teams a combined 2-24 from behind the arc)
Transy over Earlham 84-63
Hanover over RHIT 69-66
Manchester over Anderson 81-71
MSJ over Franklin 98-97 in OT
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 16, 2011, 09:45:07 PM
Bluffton win over Earlham and Franklin win over Defiance ... Beavers advance.
Bluffton loss to Earlham and Defiance win over Franklin...Defiance advances.
Bluffton loss to Earlham and Franklin win over Defiance...Darryl?
Bluffton win over Earlham and Defiance win over Franklin...Darryl?

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2011, 10:02:11 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on February 16, 2011, 09:45:07 PM
Bluffton win over Earlham and Franklin win over Defiance ... Beavers advance.
Bluffton loss to Earlham and Defiance win over Franklin...Defiance advances.
Bluffton loss to Earlham and Franklin win over Defiance...Darryl?

That final scenario gives the #6 spot to the Beavers*. Here's why:  In that case, BU, DC, and FC would have split with each other, so we begin comparing each team in that group to the team(s) at the top of the standings -- either HC or MC.  All three teams (BU, DC, FC) were swept by Hanover.  Bluffton split with MC, while DC and FC were swept by the Spartans.  That gives the tie-breaker to the Beavers.  (That's the same reason that a two-way tie between BU and DC would be broken in favor of Bluffton.)

*Obligatory disclaimer: ... assuming the tie-breaker system is unchanged, and my interpretation of them is correct.


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Hanover14-39-05-3@ AU
Manchester14-38-06-3vs. TU
Anderson12-57-15-4vs. HC
Transylvania11-67-24-4@ MC
Rose-Hulman10-77-13-6vs. MSJ
Bluffton7-105-42-6@ EC
Defiance7-104-43-6vs. FC
Franklin6-114-52-6@ DC
Mount St. Joseph4-133-61-7@ RHIT
Earlham0-170-80-9vs. BU



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  #7  #8  #9  #10 
Hanover
50.00%50.00%----------------
Manchester
50.00%50.00%----------------
Anderson
----100.00%--------------
Transylvania
------75.00%25.00%----------
Rose-Hulman
------25.00%75.00%----------
Bluffton
----------75.00%25.00%------
Defiance
----------25.00%68.75%6.25%----
Franklin
------------6.25%93.75%----
Mount St. Joseph
----------------100.00%--
Earlham
------------------100.00%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 16, 2011, 10:04:14 PM
Thanks Darryl!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 17, 2011, 09:48:58 AM
Not sure how the Yeller Jackets can make it more complicated for themselves - losing to MSJ, Bluffton keeping lids on the hoops (2-24 on 3-balls?  :P) but eeking out an OT win, and still facing a wounded Griz, trying and draw to an inside flush?  In a year and race as improbable as this has become, wouldn't it just figure that the Quakers would choose a final game to crack their streak?   ??? Oh, and there is the question of which end of Indiana the bus fleets will be headed...  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2011, 01:15:00 PM
For what it's worth, here is the current "official" description of the tie-breaking process.  (I am pretty sure that this is what I implemented in my program, but at some point, I'll have to double-check that.)

Seeding Method and Tie Breakers for Seeding
  a. HCAC standings as established by regular season will determine seeding positions.
  b. When ties in the final regular season standings occur the following steps will be used to break these ties. These tiebreakers are only for seeding purposes and will not affect the standings or the awarding of all-sports points.
    i. Head to head competition. When there are multiple teams tied, this head to head process will apply the total number of wins and losses among these teams in an attempt to break the tie.
    ii. Competition against rank/order of regular season standings
    iii. The NCAA Quality-of-win-index
    iv. Win-loss percentage in-region
    v. If these four steps do not break the tie then a coin toss or lottery will be used.

Tie Breaker Notes:
1) If the final standings have more than one tie then lower ties are resolved first
2) If there are multiple ties for a position the tie breaker process must start from the beginning each time a team is eliminated from the tie.
3) If there are more than two teams in an unbreakable tie than a lottery will be used to determine the seed positions.
4) The commissioner will administer coin tosses or lottery draws


This additional language provides greater detail about the process for multiple ties:
When there are a cluster of teams tied (3 or more), the selection/seeding process will first attempt to separate the tie by using head to head comparisons of the total number of wins and loses among those teams in the tie to emerge (produce a top team) from that cluster of teams. Once a team emerges from the initial tie the process will be repeated starting with head to head comparisons in order to resolve all remaining seeds. (Example: Three teams tied. Within the cluster the records reflect head to head results as follows: Team A 3-1; Team B 2-2; Team C 1-3. Team A would emerge and receive the top seed and the process of comparing head to head records would begin with the remaining ties. When two teams are tied or multiple ties cannot be broken using the aforementioned process the criteria from the specific sports guidelines would be applied and followed to emerge a team. Again, once a team emerges the process would be repeated from the start each time a team emerges until all seeds are resolved.
This process is only used to determine seeding for our A.Q. Tournaments. When a tie occurs the championship points for the Commissioners Cup would be awarded to each of the teams based on the average of the points assigned for each of the place finishes involved in the tie.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 18, 2011, 07:40:47 AM
If Hanover beats Anderson on Saturday would that mean Hanover hosts the tourney since they would have beaten Anderson twice and Manchester only beat them once or does that not factor in?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 18, 2011, 08:27:52 AM
Cave-DC has shot themselves in the foot too many times this season.  I would love to see them get in with a win over Franklin and a Bluffton loss, which I think would need Bluffton's team to get lost and not make it to the game ;D.
Anyway, I was also excited to see that three teams from the HCAC were still ranked in the regional Midwest rankings.  Still doubt two will get in, one being the tourney champ and the other getting invited in, but it would be nice to see again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2011, 09:08:53 AM
Quote from: zander on February 18, 2011, 07:40:47 AM
If Hanover beats Anderson on Saturday would that mean Hanover hosts the tourney since they would have beaten Anderson twice and Manchester only beat them once or does that not factor in?

That does factor in.  Here's the complete breakdown. First, the obvious cases:
If they end up tied, the tie-breaker rules apply like so:
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 18, 2011, 11:22:32 AM
Thanks! This should be an exciting Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 19, 2011, 05:12:03 PM
Beavers defeat Earham to secure HCAC tourney spot.  Go Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2011, 05:15:59 PM
BUBeaverFan beat me to this news: Beavers over EC, 75-54, which should give BU the #6 seed.*

MSJ continues to play for pride, ending their season with a win (their third straight) over RHIT, 58-52.

HC falls at AU, 63-72, leaving the door open for MC to claim the #1 seed outright.

The Spartans currently lead TU 67-53 with about 3.5 minutes left.

DC holds an 8-pt edge at halftime over FC.

*This morning I got an email suggesting that my interpretation of tie-breaking procedure differs from the "official" interpretation.  However, I don't think that those differences will have any effect on this scenario.**

**The HCAC men's BB page lists BU as having clinched #6.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2011, 05:29:18 PM
MC over TU, 78-62.

The DC-FC halftime score was revised after I posted my earlier note; DC had a SEVEN-point edge.  Early in the second half, FC has closed that gap to 1.

Although DC and FC will end their seasons today, both should come back strong next year, as neither team has any seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 21, 2011, 04:12:22 PM
disappointed Hanover let the Anderson game get away from them.....tourney sure looks wide open!

Any predictions who will come out on top???
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 22, 2011, 04:05:23 PM
I'm going to go with Manchester.  They have been a very hot team winning 9 straight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 22, 2011, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 22, 2011, 04:05:23 PM
I'm going to go with Manchester.  They have been a very hot team winning 9 straight. 
agreed.... and they are at home. I'd say they are the big favorite.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on February 23, 2011, 11:57:52 AM
Should be a great tournament, but I'll go chalk until the finals ...

Anderson over Bluffton / Transylvania over Rose-Hulman

Hanover over Anderson / Manchester over Transylvania

Hanover over Manchester in a fantastic  championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:56:51 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 26, 2011, 07:41:24 AM
Anderson over Bluffton 75-60
Transy over RHIT 54-49

HCAC Semis @ Manchester

Anderson vs. Hanover
Transy @ Manchester
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 26, 2011, 06:43:33 PM
Good win for Hanover tonight over Anderson---looking forward to the championship game!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 27, 2011, 05:12:21 PM
Manchester was just too much for the Panthers--Hanover will have to some shoes to fill next without MM
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 27, 2011, 07:01:04 PM
Go Spartans represent the HCAC well!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 28, 2011, 01:23:17 PM
HANOVER IS IN!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 28, 2011, 03:16:48 PM
Go Panthers represent the HCAC well!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 01, 2011, 09:12:08 AM
Pretty excited to see two HCAC school in the tournament again!  I think both are matched up against comparable teams so they should be good games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 01, 2011, 04:39:56 PM
I posted this comparison on the MIAA board, and thought I should post here as well:



Offense     % 2pt   % 3pt      % FT
Hope     52.6   37.1      74.8
Hanover     55   34.8      69.4
            
Defense     % 2pt   % 3pt     
Hope     49.6   36.2     
Hanover     52.6   32.4     
            
Rebounding     Team   Opp      Margin
Hope     35.6   32.8      2.8
Hanover     31.7   28.2      3.5
            
Scoring     Team   Opp      Margin
Hope     80.4   71.5      8.9
Hanover     69.6   64.6      5
            
3 point shooting     Attempts   Made      Made/game
Hope     485   180      6.4
Hanover     442   154      5.9
            
Blocks     Total   per game     
Hope     111      
Hanover     58   2.2     
            
Steals     Total   per game     
Hope     280   10     
Hanover     150   5.8     
            
Turnovers     Total    per game     
Hope     360   12.9     
Hanover     306   11.8     
            
Assists     Total   per game     
Hope     444   15.9     
Hanover     276   10.6     
            
Assist/Turnover             
Hope     1.23        
Hanover     0.9        
            
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on March 01, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
hey flying.... 1 other stat you missed...... Hope has 302 miles to game and Hanover has 412 miles to game.  We have more time to mentally prepare for the task at hand!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 02, 2011, 12:41:01 PM
I don't really know if that really gives Hanover the upperhand Zander ;).  Anyway,
This is a tough game to call.  On paper they look like two totally different teams.  They also do not have any common opponents so we can't judge from that.  I would throw out that the MIAA was 1-8 vs. the HCAC, but we all know that doesn't add up either.  I guess we won't know till Friday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 02, 2011, 01:08:48 PM
Quote from: zander on March 01, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
hey flying.... 1 other stat you missed...... Hope has 302 miles to game and Hanover has 412 miles to game.  We have more time to mentally prepare for the task at hand!!

True, but then Hope has to travel around Chi-town, so the time it takes for the trip will probably be the same   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on March 02, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
hey flying..... the dutch have the opportunity to also stop for a Portillo's combo. Are you going to the game? Probably will be the guy in the Orange shirt?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 08:33:18 PM
Quote from: zander on March 02, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
hey flying..... the dutch have the opportunity to also stop for a Portillo's combo. Are you going to the game? Probably will be the guy in the Orange shirt?

FDF is the guy in the orange SHORTS!  Long pants in basketball season are for sissies.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 03, 2011, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 08:33:18 PM
Quote from: zander on March 02, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
hey flying..... the dutch have the opportunity to also stop for a Portillo's combo. Are you going to the game? Probably will be the guy in the Orange shirt?

FDF is the guy in the orange SHORTS!  Long pants in basketball season are for sissies.

Fortunately (for those who will be in Rock Island this weekend) I only wear the shorts to home games at the DeVos.  The shorts are currently 87-8 (I didn't wear them to a home game for the first time this year, and we promptly lost in overtime).  Would love to meet any posters though who will be there.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 04, 2011, 11:22:12 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on March 03, 2011, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 08:33:18 PM
Quote from: zander on March 02, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
hey flying..... the dutch have the opportunity to also stop for a Portillo's combo. Are you going to the game? Probably will be the guy in the Orange shirt?

FDF is the guy in the orange SHORTS!  Long pants in basketball season are for sissies.

Fortunately (for those who will be in Rock Island this weekend) I only wear the shorts to home games at the DeVos.  The shorts are currently 87-8 (I didn't wear them to a home game for the first time this year, and we promptly lost in overtime).  Would love to meet any posters though who will be there.
That's just awesome FDF!!!  +1 to you. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on March 04, 2011, 08:13:06 PM
Great effort by the Panthers! Lost by 3 but gave it a hard fought battle-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 04, 2011, 08:24:41 PM
Manchester 70 Bethany 58
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on March 05, 2011, 07:35:41 AM
Congrats to Manchester!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 05, 2011, 07:50:30 AM
Was hoping for the double but congrats to Manchester on the win and to Hanover for a great season.  If I don't need a boat I might head over to Wooville for the game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on March 05, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
congrats Manchester keep representing  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 05, 2011, 08:39:23 PM
Manchester loses a heartbreaker 47-45 to Wooster at Wooville.  Shot at the buzzer just missed.  Congrats on a great year Manchester.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on March 05, 2011, 09:57:23 PM
Darn would have loved to see Manchester beat Wooster at Wooster!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUStudent on March 05, 2011, 11:24:23 PM
8-16 from the line

ouch
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2011, 12:00:01 AM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on March 05, 2011, 08:39:23 PM
Manchester loses a heartbreaker 47-45 to Wooster at Wooville.  Shot at the buzzer just missed.  Congrats on a great year Manchester.

I also congratulate Manchester on a great year...you put up a huge fight at Wooster tonight. Neither team seemed to be at their best offensively, but the defensive intensity was top-notch all night. You always need a little luck to advance deep into the NCAAs, and perhaps Wooster's was that the last three was just that little bit short.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 07, 2011, 12:11:01 PM
Congrtats to Manchester and Hanover for representing the HCAC in tourney play.  Hanover played a tough first round and Manchester played in a nail biter in the second round.   Already looking forward to next year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on March 10, 2011, 01:03:02 PM
Does anyone know how many total eligible men's Div3 teams there are in the country?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 10, 2011, 01:12:18 PM
There are 411 D3 men's basketball teams (and 435 women's teams).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 10, 2011, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on March 10, 2011, 01:12:18 PM
There are 411 D3 men's basketball teams (and 435 women's teams).

Is there a list of teams that have never made the NCAA DIII tourney? Probably a Pat Coleman question.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2011, 05:08:00 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on March 10, 2011, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on March 10, 2011, 01:12:18 PM
There are 411 D3 men's basketball teams (and 435 women's teams).

Is there a list of teams that have never made the NCAA DIII tourney? Probably a Pat Coleman question.


I have that very list somewhere, but it's not handy. To the best of my recollection, there are about eighty schools on it.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 11, 2011, 08:17:51 AM
Dang it! When I typed Pat Coleman I was so close to adding GregorySager as well. If there is ever a question of D3 hoops history I always know you folks will have the answer.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on May 31, 2011, 09:31:00 AM
Earlham names Marcus Gill, former assistant at Ohio Wesleyan and Albion at their new coach.

http://www.goearlham.com/news/2011/5/25/MBB_0525110337.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on May 31, 2011, 09:40:22 AM
MSJ named their new head coach a few weeks ago (http://www.msjsports.com/mbasketball/news/73/2471/) (WAlum's news spurred me to look it up today).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 31, 2011, 10:07:08 AM
In the ASC alone, you have 10 ten teams which do not have an NCAA Post-season appearance in the 11-year history as a Pool A conference:  UOzarks, Louisiana College, UT-Tyler, ETBU, LeTourneau, Concordia-TX, Texas Lutheran, Schreiner, Howard Payne, and Hardin-Simmons.   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 31, 2011, 01:20:35 PM
Yep, the ASC provides a big chunk of the roster of D3 tourney virgins. Many of the rest are schools in the lesser conferences in the New England and metro New York areas, or schools from the ASC's fellow relative newcomer leagues such as the SLIAC, the NWC, and the GSAC.. Most of the "established" conferences (i.e., leagues that have been D3 since the division's very beginning, or close to it) have had all of their teams make it into the tourney at least once by now, although there's still a few strays (e.g., Fredonia State in the SUNYAC, St. Mary's MN in the MIAC, Juniata in the MAC and now the Landmark, etc.). The MIAA is the big anomaly in that regard, as half of the schools in that eight-school league (Alma, Adrian, Olivet, and Trine) have never tasted March Madness, D3 style. That's a testament to the strength and persistence of Hope's and Calvin's twin domination of that circuit.

Among HCAC members, the current virgins are Earlham, Bluffton, and Mount St. Joseph.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on May 31, 2011, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 31, 2011, 01:20:35 PM
Yep, the ASC provides a big chunk of the roster of D3 tourney virgins. Many of the rest are schools in the lesser conferences in the New England and metro New York areas, or schools from the ASC's fellow relative newcomer leagues such as the SLIAC, the NWC, and the GSAC.. Most of the "established" conferences (i.e., leagues that have been D3 since the division's very beginning, or close to it) have had all of their teams make it into the tourney at least once by now, although there's still a few strays (e.g., Fredonia State in the SUNYAC, St. Mary's MN in the MIAC, Juniata in the MAC and now the Landmark, etc.). The MIAA is the big anomaly in that regard, as half of the schools in that eight-school league (Alma, Adrian, Olivet, and Trine) have never tasted March Madness, D3 style. That's a testament to the strength and persistence of Hope's and Calvin's twin domination of that circuit.

Among HCAC members, the current virgins are Earlham, Bluffton, and Mount St. Joseph.

Great info, thanks.  I keep hoping that Bluffton can get off this particular list.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on July 14, 2011, 06:40:06 PM
Sorry if this is old news...........Transylvania is going to play Kentucky in an exhibition game this November 2nd.

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/05/12/1738180/uk-transylvania-will-renew-basketball.html
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on October 02, 2011, 06:21:20 PM
Just wondering if anyone knows when Div. 3 teams can start practicing with coaches present and is it the same date for all teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2011, 08:03:54 PM
The first permissible date is Oct. 15, although some conferences restrict that further. I don't believe the HCAC is one.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2011, 04:12:56 PM
Preseason coaches poll is out http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/10_26_preseason_poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/10_26_preseason_poll)

Transylvania (5) 86
Hanover (1)      78
Rose-Hulman      77
Manchester (2)   75
Defiance (1)     58
Anderson (1)     57
Bluffton         47
Franklin         42
Mt St Joseph     18
Earlham          12
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 26, 2011, 09:13:11 PM
FCGrizzliesDad beat me to this, but here is a table showing the poll and final standings for the past couple of seasons:


2011-12
2010-11
2009-10
TeamPlace / points (#1 votes)      Pick / Finish (record)      Pick / Finish (record)
Transylvania
1 / 86 (5)
4 / 4 (11-7)
1 / 4 (10-6)
Hanover
2 / 78 (1)
3 / 2 (14-4)
4 / 2 (12-4)
RHIT
3 / 77
7 / 5 (10-8)
7 / 8 (3-13)
Manchester
4 / 75 (2)
2 / 1 (15-3)
6 / 4 (10-6)
Defiance
5 / 58 (1)
6 / 6 (8-10)
2 / 3 (11-5)
Anderson
6 / 57 (1)
1 / 3 (13-5)
3 / 1 (13-3)
Franklin
8 / 42
5 / 8 (6-12)
5 / 6 (6-10)
Bluffton
7 / 47
8 / 6 (8-10)
8 / 9 (2-14)
MSJ
9 / 18
9 / 9 (5-13)
9 / 7 (5-11)
Earlham
10 / 12
10 / 10 (0-18)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 26, 2011, 09:26:37 PM
In other preseason news ... AU, FC, and RHIT have not yet posted complete rosters, but here are the roster sizes for those that are up:

School      FY+SO+JR+SR= Total
BU
8 + 8 + 3 + 5
= 24
DC
13 + 4 + 2 + 5
= 24
EC
7 + 3 + 2 + 5
= 17
HC
8 + 3 + 5 + 1
= 17
MC
7 + 2 + 4 + 4
= 17
MSJ
6 + 7 + 4 + 2
= 19
TU
4 + 3 + 9 + 2
= 18

AU, MSJ, and MC probably have the most significant losses to graduation (4 3, 4, and 5 seniors, respectively).  HC only had one graduate (Mitchell Meyer, 1st team all-HCAC), but also lost all-HCAC honorable mention freshman Grant Pangallo (10.7ppg).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 03, 2011, 11:01:21 PM
Still no roster for RHIT, but AU and FC are up.  All rosters are now posted.  Here are the updated counts (including a few altered numbers due to the usual preseason attrition).

School      FY+SO+JR+SR= Total
AU
7 + 6 + 2 + 2
= 17
BU
8 + 7 + 3 + 5
= 23
DC
13 + 3 + 2 + 5
= 23
EC
7 + 3 + 3 + 4
= 17
FC
11 + 6 + 1 + 4
= 22
HC
8 + 3 + 5 + 1
= 17
MC
7 + 2 + 4 + 4
= 17
MSJ
5 + 6 + 4 + 2
= 17
RHIT
4 + 8 + 4 + 4
= 20
TU
3 + 3 + 9 + 2
= 17

RHIT is typically one of the last schools to post a roster; until they do, I can only report that they have the potential for 14 returning players.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 11, 2011, 09:46:39 PM
Anybody seen any pre-season games?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 14, 2011, 04:32:57 PM
Haven't seen any but listened to the Franklin game at Butler. Four assists on 18 FG isn't good no matter who you play.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 15, 2011, 10:19:19 PM
Hanover had a nice opening game against Ohio Wesleyan winning 70-58. Go Panthers! Next game Saturday against Denison-playing on the road-
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 17, 2011, 11:55:04 AM
Nice start with the Jackets opening up with a W against K-zoo.  Not look for them to be world beaters but I believe they will fare better than fifth when the season ends. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 21, 2011, 07:32:45 AM
Panthers had a good weekend with two wins against Denison and Oberlin of Ohio. Good to get some road wins right at the start.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 21, 2011, 05:19:29 PM
Good weekend for the Beavers. Wins over Webster and Rust at the Webster Tourney. Overtime and triple overtime games.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2011, 05:42:49 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on November 21, 2011, 05:19:29 PM
Good weekend for the Beavers. Wins over Webster and Rust at the Webster Tourney. Overtime and triple overtime games.

Could not have asked for two more entertaining games... you had to be there.....what makes D3hoops the best game in town......
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on November 28, 2011, 12:16:05 PM
Wow! Hanover looked like they ate some bad turkey over break. Nothing going on Sunday against Ohio Northern- Next game, @Manchester on Sat.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 29, 2011, 03:47:06 AM
It's getting close to conference time. Does anyone appear like they can upset the preseason coaches rankings? It looks to me like Manchester is struggling and MSJ is not as bad as picked (but still not a contender).
Sadly, Franklin doesn't look like they'll be a surprise contender.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 29, 2011, 11:35:16 AM
The one thing I love about basketball is that it is so unpredictable.  Transy will be a hard team to overcome in conference action but anything can happen.  I think Hanover will be the most likely to upset the preseason poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on November 29, 2011, 11:11:04 PM
HCAC CONFERENCE SCHEDULE BEGINS
Nov. 30  
Anderson (Ind.)   @ Defiance   7:30 PM
Bluffton   @ Mt. St. Joseph   7:30 PM 

Dec. 3 
Rose-Hulman @  Defiance   3:00 PM 
Hanover  @ Manchester   3:00 PM
Earlham  @ Mt. St. Joseph   3:00 PM 
Anderson (Ind.)  @ Transylvania   4:00 PM 
Franklin   @ Bluffton   4:00 PM 

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on November 29, 2011, 11:17:34 PM
HCAC Scoring Leaders thru 11/29
E Spurlin  Transylvania    23.0 
B Rash  Transylvania      19.3  
D Kinn  Bluffton             18.5 
M Case  Hanover           18.2 
J Moss  Manchester       18.0
W Conoley  Franklin       17.8 
D Mann  Mt. St. Joseph  17.5 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2011, 09:14:48 PM
The two conference games are over; the visitors picked up both wins:

Bluffton 52, MSJ 39 -- tied 22-22 at the half.  The Beavers were 0-5 from distance in the first half, but went 4-6 in the second half.  BU's Farley (13) and Pope (11) were the only players in double figures (for either team).

Anderson 70, Defiance 69 -- AU trailed by 12 at the half, 31-43.  Jake Browne hit a layup with 3 seconds to go to take the win.

In nonconference action, Earlham came very close to picking up a win at DePauw, falling 74-78.

RHIT lost to #26 Wabash, 44-58.

With under 15 minutes left, Franklin leads Millikin 42-30 -- live stats (http://www.franklingrizzlies.com/fc/TAS/mbb/xlive.htm)  Final: Franklin 67, Millikin 56.  The Grizzlies up their record to 2-3, while MU slips to 0-5.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 03, 2011, 10:07:01 AM
ok... i've got.......  Rose at Defiance...... Defiance
                         Hanover at Manchester.... Hanover
                         Earlham at MSJ................MSJ
                         Anderson at Transy...........Transy
                         Franklin at Bluffton........... upset Franklin                        Anyone else out there want to chime in?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: zander on December 03, 2011, 10:07:01 AM
ok... i've got.......  Rose at Defiance...... Defiance
                         Hanover at Manchester.... Hanover
                         Earlham at MSJ................MSJ
                         Anderson at Transy...........Transy
                         Franklin at Bluffton........... upset Franklin                        Anyone else out there want to chime in?
Based on my predictive ability in national games so far this season I probably shouldn't... but here's my opinion anyways
Rose at Defiance
Hanover at Manchester
Earlham at MSJ
Anderson at Transy
Franklin at Bluffton
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 03, 2011, 11:22:34 AM
Rose at Defiance - Defiance has athletes.  They win.
Hanover at Manchester - Hanover is coming off a stunning loss to ONU. Hanover wins.
Earlham at MSJ - Earlham could go 0-25. 
Anderson at Transy - Transy is really good!
Franklin at Bluffton- Bluffton wins at home.  Franklin has talent but doesnt get it done year in and year out.   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 03, 2011, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: zander on December 03, 2011, 10:07:01 AM
ok... i've got.......  Rose at Defiance...... Defiance
                         Hanover at Manchester.... Hanover
                         Earlham at MSJ................MSJ
                         Anderson at Transy...........Transy
                         Franklin at Bluffton........... upset Franklin                        Anyone else out there want to chime in?
Based on my predictive ability in national games so far this season I probably shouldn't... but here's my opinion anyways
Rose at Defiance
Hanover at Manchester
Earlham at MSJ
Anderson at Transy
Franklin at Bluffton
[/cmon... you are not even taking YOUR tream???quote]
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 03, 2011, 11:58:16 AM
i guess I did that wrong??    ....... grizzly not taking your team?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on December 03, 2011, 08:13:04 PM
All HCAC games finals
Rose-Hulman    87   Defiance            70
Hanover            59   Manchester            60   
Earlham            44   Mt. St. Joseph    63
Anderson (Ind.)    67   Transylvania    82
Franklin            82   Bluffton            79
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 04, 2011, 04:10:48 AM
Quote from: zander on December 03, 2011, 11:58:16 AM
i guess I did that wrong??    ....... grizzly not taking your team?
Realistically I didn't think they'd win @ Bluffton. Maybe all they needed was for me to pick against them. I also picked Hanover to win and they lost so quite a good day all around ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 04, 2011, 09:16:29 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 04, 2011, 04:10:48 AM
Quote from: zander on December 03, 2011, 11:58:16 AM
i guess I did that wrong??    ....... grizzly not taking your team?
Realistically I didn't think they'd win @ Bluffton. Maybe all they needed was for me to pick against them. I also picked Hanover to win and they lost so quite a good day all around ;)

Hanover needs to learn how to put teams away. They were up by 16 points at one point. They also lost to Ohio Northern the same way. Free throws are killing them.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on December 07, 2011, 02:13:26 PM
Dec. 7 
Bluffton        Kalamazoo       7:00 PM
Hanover        Franklin           7:30 PM 
Manchester   Rose-Hulman    7:30 PM 
Transylvania  Earlham           7:30 PM 

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 07, 2011, 11:27:55 PM
Kalamazoo 75  Bluffton 66     
Hanover 60  Franklin 46       
Rose-Hulman 59  Manchester 29   
Transylvania 81  Earlham 57         
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 08, 2011, 07:00:58 AM
Quote from: WAlum on December 07, 2011, 11:27:55 PM
Kalamazoo 75  Bluffton 66     
Hanover 60  Franklin 46       
Rose-Hulman 59  Manchester 29   
Transylvania 81  Earlham 57       
Was it 1 vs 5 in that game? One player scored 21 of the 29 for Manchester and the rest of the team shot 1 for 33 :o The teams combined to hit a FG every 75 seconds.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 08, 2011, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 08, 2011, 07:00:58 AM
Quote from: WAlum on December 07, 2011, 11:27:55 PM
Kalamazoo 75  Bluffton 66     
Hanover 60  Franklin 46       
Rose-Hulman 59  Manchester 29   
Transylvania 81  Earlham 57       
Was it 1 vs 5 in that game? One player scored 21 of the 29 for Manchester and the rest of the team shot 1 for 33 :o The teams combined to hit a FG every 75 seconds.

I had to see it to believe it..   http://www.manchester.edu/athletics/basketballm/stats/stats2012/12mbb07.htm 

The 1 shot was a three with 9:11 to play.   Manchester did not score a single FG from that point on and did not score a 2 point goal for the last 11 minutes of the game.

From the 7 minutes to go mark on, both teams combined to make 1 FG. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 08, 2011, 04:07:56 PM
....and Hanover gave the game to Manchester last week  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 11, 2011, 02:08:06 AM
Quote from: sac on December 08, 2011, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 08, 2011, 07:00:58 AM
Quote from: WAlum on December 07, 2011, 11:27:55 PM
Kalamazoo 75  Bluffton 66     
Hanover 60  Franklin 46       
Rose-Hulman 59  Manchester 29   
Transylvania 81  Earlham 57       
Was it 1 vs 5 in that game? One player scored 21 of the 29 for Manchester and the rest of the team shot 1 for 33 :o The teams combined to hit a FG every 75 seconds.

I had to see it to believe it..   http://www.manchester.edu/athletics/basketballm/stats/stats2012/12mbb07.htm 

The 1 shot was a three with 9:11 to play.   Manchester did not score a single FG from that point on and did not score a 2 point goal for the last 11 minutes of the game.

From the 7 minutes to go mark on, both teams combined to make 1 FG.

Perhaps the most remarkable stat of all may be that the second high scorer for Manchester had a total of THREE points!!!   :o   ::) 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on December 11, 2011, 12:05:32 PM
HCAC Standings
Transylvania       3-0     6-0
Rose-Hulman       3-0     7-1
Hanover             2-1     5-2
Anderson (Ind.)   2-1     5-4
Franklin              2-1     4-4
Bluffton              1-2     5-3
Mt. St. Joseph     1-2     4-3
Manchester         1-2     3-6
Defiance             0-3     2-5
Earlham              0-3     0-9

Dec. 14 
Defiance           Adrian     6:00 PM
Mt. St. Joseph   Denison   7:30 PM
---------------------------------
Dec. 15 
Eureka              Rose-Hulman   7:30 PM 

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 16, 2011, 10:55:11 AM
What are the biggest surprises (team or individual) and biggest disappointments (team or individual) so far this season?
Rose-Hulman is playing very well - surprised at their hot start.  Expected them to be solid but not 8-1.
Disappointed in the play of Defiance.  Good talent but now 2-6.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 01, 2012, 08:16:29 AM
Standings at the end of 2011...

Transylvania   4-0     10-1   
Rose-Hulman    3-1      9-2   
Hanover        3-1      7-3   
Anderson       3-1      7-4   
Franklin       3-1      6-5   
Mt St Joseph   2-2      6-5   
Bluffton       1-3      7-4   
Manchester     1-3      3-8   
Defiance       0-4      4-7   
Earlham        0-4      0-11


Transy was tied for 34th in the latest (Dec 18th) poll but have finally fallen from the ranks of the unbeatens.
Franklin is off to a nice start in conference... after their next game @ Transy they'll play 6 out of 7 at home.
Earlham has played only 3 home games so far and have been within single digits just once. If/when will they pick up their first win?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 04, 2012, 10:15:13 PM
The home teams go 4-0 in tonight's games.

Bluffton 73, Defiance 67 -- the only close game (and the only one I can report on firsthand).  A great defensive effort by the Beavers, holding Logan Wolfrum (18ppg) to 7 points on 3-9 shooting -- all scored in the first 5 minutes of the game.  FTs were the big difference: Defiance was 12-15 (6-8 in the second half), while the Beavers were slightly less efficient but had twice as many chances, going 23-31 (17-25 in the second half).  Bluffton's Nate Heckelman led all scorers with a career-high 18.

Elsewhere:
Anderson 74, Manchester 58
Transy 76, Franklin 55
Hanover 67, MSJ 46
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 05, 2012, 09:54:24 AM
Transylvania   5-0     11-1   
Rose-Hulman    3-1      9-2   
Hanover        4-1      8-3   
Anderson       4-1      8-4   
Franklin       3-2      6-6   
Mt St Joseph   2-3      6-6   
Bluffton       2-3      8-4   
Manchester     1-4      3-9   
Defiance       0-5      4-8   
Earlham        0-4      0-1

Looks like a good race at the top but I foresee Anderson falling down the standings and it being a three team race between Transylvania, Rose-Hulman, and Hanover.  At the bottom, I think Defiance could pull an upset or two and should get to the middle of the pack by the end of the year.  Earlham could go winless for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 09, 2012, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: WAlum on January 05, 2012, 09:54:24 AM
Transylvania   5-0     11-1   
Rose-Hulman    3-1      9-2   
Hanover        4-1      8-3   
Anderson       4-1      8-4   
Franklin       3-2      6-6   
Mt St Joseph   2-3      6-6   
Bluffton       2-3      8-4   
Manchester     1-4      3-9   
Defiance       0-5      4-8   
Earlham        0-4      0-1

Looks like a good race at the top but I foresee Anderson falling down the standings and it being a three team race between Transylvania, Rose-Hulman, and Hanover.  At the bottom, I think Defiance could pull an upset or two and should get to the middle of the pack by the end of the year.  Earlham could go winless for the season.

You called that one about getting an upset. +1 to you!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 10, 2012, 07:54:38 AM
Thanks DC!  It was a good win for DC.  I can see them getting another "upset" or two yet this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 11, 2012, 02:16:31 PM
Big game on the road for the Panthers tonight. It should be a good match-up and a good indication just how serious Hanover is about staying on top of the league. Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 12, 2012, 01:29:10 PM
Transy, losing at half-time, came out and put on a defensive clinic taking over the game. Hanover needs to play with much more intensity if they hope to beat the better teams. They were flat against Bluffton but still pulled out the V- that's not going to work with teams like Transy and RH.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 16, 2012, 09:53:17 AM
Updated Standings:

7-1    13-2   Transylvania    
6-2    12-3   Rose-Hulman    
6-2    10-4   Hanover    
6-2    9-6     Franklin    
4-4    10-5   Bluffton    
4-4    8-7     Anderson (Ind.)
3-5    5-10   Manchester    
2-6    6-9    Defiance    
2-6    6-9    Mt. St. Joseph    
0-8    0-15   Earlham    
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 18, 2012, 11:36:33 AM
      
Big night for the Griz if they want to stay in the mix of things at the top of the conference standings facing off against RHIT.     
      
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 19, 2012, 01:05:44 AM
Franklin was up 7 at halftime, but Rose was on fire in the 2nd half. Grizzlies are still 4th in the standings and have a 2 game lead on three teams in 5th place. Next three games at home then they finish with 5 of 6 on the road.

We're now exactly halfway through conference play...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 19, 2012, 09:18:48 AM
Standings:
8-1    14-2   Transylvania   
7-2    13-3   Rose-Hulman   
7-2    11-4   Hanover   
6-3    9-7     Franklin   
4-5    10-6   Bluffton   
4-5    8-8     Anderson (Ind.)
4-5    6-10   Manchester   
3-6    7-9    Defiance   
2-7    6-10    Mt. St. Joseph   
0-9    0-16   Earlham
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 22, 2012, 11:38:22 AM
Look who is creeping back towards the top spot - here comes Hanover!
Bluffton deals a severe loss to Rose's title hopes.
Franklin just keeps hanging around.
Defiance plays close but loses by 5 to Hanover. 
Earlham loses badly again.  Can the Quakers get a W this year or will they go winless?

Updated Standings:

9-1    15-2   Transylvania
8-2    12-4   Hanover   
7-3    13-4   Rose-Hulman   
7-3    10-7     Franklin   
5-5    11-6   Bluffton
5-5    7-10   Manchester     
4-6    8-9    Anderson (Ind.)
3-7    7-10    Defiance   
2-8    6-11    Mt. St. Joseph   
0-10    0-17   Earlham
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2012, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: WAlum on January 22, 2012, 11:38:22 AM
... 
Earlham loses badly again.  Can the Quakers get a W this year or will they go winless?

It is worth noting that Earlham have had two close games recently -- losing by 4 at Bluffton on January 11, and then by 1 at Defiance on Wednesday.  In watching them play Bluffton, they looked to be very hungry for a win; if they are in the game (and that is a big "if"), they play with great intensity.  Any team who goes into a game against EC should not look past them, or they might find themselves with an unexpected loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 23, 2012, 11:30:13 AM
I was a bit surprised how close DC kept it against Hanover considering how badly they shot the ball.  I was really hoping they would have been at least in the mix for the conference tournament.  Hopefully they will put together a decent win streak that gets them up several spots. 
Hanover does a have a favorable schedule with four home games and two away.  Transy is one of those home games too which should help.  RHIT's does not look that bad either while Transy will have to pick up some tough road wins. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2012, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2012, 01:47:09 PM
... Any team who goes into a game against EC should not look past them, or they might find themselves with an unexpected loss.

Bluffton narrowly avoided being that team, as it took a career-high 27 points from Nick Lee and a last-second bucket by Nate Heckelman to give the Beavers a one-point win on the road.  The Quakers had a 12 point lead at halftime, and led by 16 with 11 minutes to go.

Other winners tonight: Transy over Franklin, RHIT over Manchester, and AU over DC.  Live stats from the Hanover/MSJ game are stuck at the beginning of the game; I assume that game (which started at 7:30) is over by now. MSJ's Web site has Hanover winning, 58-43.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 25, 2012, 10:30:08 PM
Updated Standings:

10-1    16-2   Transylvania
9-2    13-4   Hanover   
8-3    14-4   Rose-Hulman   
7-4    10-8     Franklin   
6-5    12-6   Bluffton
5-6    7-11   Manchester     
5-6    9-9    Anderson (Ind.)
3-8    7-11    Defiance   
2-9    6-12    Mt. St. Joseph   
0-11    0-18   Earlham
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 29, 2012, 09:17:31 AM
Mount pulls the upset, beating R-H 56-50 and dropping them three games behind Transy.  Its a two-team race between Transy and Hanover for the title. (Transy at Hanover on Feb 15th)

Updated Standings:

11-1   17-2   Transylvania
10-2   14-4   Hanover   
8-4    14-5   Rose-Hulman   
7-5    10-9    Franklin   
7-5    13-6   Bluffton
6-6    10-9    Anderson (Ind.)
5-7    7-12   Manchester     
3-9    7-12    Defiance   
3-9    7-12    Mt. St. Joseph   
0-12   0-19   Earlham
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2012, 11:38:21 AM
Bluffton beat Franklin to pull into a tie for 4th. Think it's about time to look at the conference tourney possibilities...

Transy and Rose look good to get the byes, still to decide where the tourney will be played though
Rose looks good to make the tourney as they have a 3 game edge with 6 to play
Bluffton and Franklin are 2 games clear
Anderson holds the final spot and just 1 game up on Manchester with a meeting @ Manchester remaining
Manchester on the outside looking in but still in the hunt
Defiance and Mount both are 3 games out and not looking good
Earlham... not much you can say :-\

Franklin has 5 of their remaining 6 on the road and the lone home game is Rose... still could be a lot of shuffling in the next few weeks
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 29, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
Beavers have 4 of 6 at home to finish season with home games against MSJ, Anderson, Manchester, then at Hanover and Defiance and then finish home against Transy.  A 3-3 finish would probably be good enough to get them in the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on January 30, 2012, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2012, 11:38:21 AM

Transy and Rose look good to get the byes, still to decide where the tourney will be played though

How does Rose look good to get a bye? They have lost 4 and Hanover has lost 2, Am I missing something... there are no divisons splitting up the conference or something is there?

I like Hanover to get a bye, and possibly host the tourney. They are the best team in the league IMO, and Case is the best player in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 30, 2012, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: hotdawg on January 30, 2012, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2012, 11:38:21 AM

Transy and Rose look good to get the byes, still to decide where the tourney will be played though

How does Rose look good to get a bye? They have lost 4 and Hanover has lost 2, Am I missing something... there are no divisons splitting up the conference or something is there?

I like Hanover to get a bye, and possibly host the tourney. They are the best team in the league IMO, and Case is the best player in the league.

It appears that FCGrizzliesGrad said Rose when he meant to say Hanover, given that in the next sentence he said (emphasis added):

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2012, 11:38:21 AM
Transy and Rose look good to get the byes, still to decide where the tourney will be played though
Rose looks good to make the tourney as they have a 3 game edge with 6 to play

For what it is worth, several years ago I wrote a computer program to run through all the possible season-ending scenarios and determine the seedings based on all the possible outcomes.  I need to update that program to take into account a change to the tiebreaker that I became aware of the end of  last season), and I also need to wait until after Wednesday's games for the number of scenarios to become feasible*, but just for fun I ran it last night using the old tiebreaker rules, and assuming that EC loses the rest of their games. That run showed TU and HC as guaranteed in, with RHIT in for about 90-95% of all scenarios, Franklin and Bluffton in for about 80% of all scenarios, and lower percents for the remaining teams (0 for EC, since I had them losing out).

If I get the tiebreaker stuff worked out, I will post those results on Thursday or Friday.

*With 30 games remaining, there are 230 = over 1 billion possible scenarios, which would take over half a day to run, based on the time it took to run the reduced scenario with only 24 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 31, 2012, 12:56:55 PM
Apparently my Franklin brain just refused to acknowledge Hanover and stuck Rose in there instead :o Either that or Hanover is on double secret probation and has secretly been declared ineligible for a bye ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 01, 2012, 11:13:31 AM
Should be a good game tonight beween Hanover and Franklin--Franklin has had some impressive wins this year and has shown they can compete. Time for Hanover to begin to give a total team effort for the complete game and see just how good they are- Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 01, 2012, 09:27:24 PM
Bluffton squeezes by MSJ in OT  74-64  (Beavers 25-27 at half then tied at 58-58 at end of regulation)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 02, 2012, 07:11:38 AM
Hanover played great basketball scoring 72 pts to beat Franklin and only having 4 turnovers. Keep it going, Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2012, 08:06:47 AM
I did not have a chance to implement the new tiebreaker rules, so these numbers should be taken as rough,* but based on last night's games, and the assumption that Earlham will lose on the road Hanover and RHIT** (but has a chance in their home games vs MSJ, DC, and MC), the table below shows where the teams end up, as a percent of all possible scenarios for the remaining 23 games.

*The new tiebreaker rules only apply to certain situations; I am not sure how often they arise, but they almost certainly arose from time to time among all possible scenarios.

**Sorry to have to make that assumption, Quaker fans, but the program took 21 minutes to run that way, and would have taken 4 times as long without it.


Team      #1      #2      #3      #4      #5      #6            Tournament?
TU       69.03%  30.16%   0.78%   0.03%    --      --             Yes
HC       30.84%  62.16%   6.04%   0.96%   0.00%    --             Yes
RHIT      0.11%   5.23%  48.59%  30.40%  12.06%   3.49%         99.87%
BU        0.02%   2.43%  31.81%  35.24%  17.94%   8.38%         95.82%
AU         --     0.02%   6.73%  15.66%  27.29%  35.90%         85.61%
FC         --      --     5.95%  15.25%  34.42%  29.07%         84.69%
MC         --      --     0.11%   2.36%   7.48%  18.09%         28.04%
DC         --      --     0.00%   0.10%   0.73%   3.98%          4.81%
MSJ        --      --      --      --     0.08%   1.08%          1.16%

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 02, 2012, 07:11:18 PM
Great job like always Darryl!  Regardless of all the tiebreaker rules, I've always enjoyed that layout you've done!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2012, 06:46:50 PM
Anderson 70, Bluffton 67
Mount St. Joseph 64, Defiance 66
Franklin 63, Manchester 64
... and there is a party going on in Richmond, Indiana, tonight ...
Earlham 57, Hanover 53   

Four very close games down, one more (Transy/RHIT) left -- currently at halftime with TU leading 26-25.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 04, 2012, 07:03:35 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2012, 08:06:47 AM
I did not have a chance to implement the new tiebreaker rules, so these numbers should be taken as rough,* but based on last night's games, and the assumption that Earlham will lose on the road Hanover and RHIT** (but has a chance in their home games vs MSJ, DC, and MC), the table below shows where the teams end up, as a percent of all possible scenarios for the remaining 23 games.
You know what happens when you assume :P
Congrats Earlham on your first ever HCAC victory
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 04, 2012, 08:34:35 PM
Tough loss. The only way Hanover can make up for it is to win out and take the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2012, 09:27:02 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 04, 2012, 07:03:35 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2012, 08:06:47 AM
I did not have a chance to implement the new tiebreaker rules, so these numbers should be taken as rough,* but based on last night's games, and the assumption that Earlham will lose on the road Hanover and RHIT** (but has a chance in their home games vs MSJ, DC, and MC), the table below shows where the teams end up, as a percent of all possible scenarios for the remaining 23 games.
You know what happens when you assume :P
Congrats Earlham on your first ever HCAC victory

Ha!  The truth is, once Bluffton was no longer in any danger of being Earlham's first victim, I was hoping for Earlham to pull off a win, I just did not expect it to be at Hanover.  I don't want to take any credit for their win, though; all of that should go to the long-suffering Earlham players.

Transy won by 5 at RHIT; on a day when the other HCAC games were decided by 1, 2, 3, and 4 points, I guess that qualifies as a blowout.

Here are the current standings (including home and away records), and remaining games:

        Transylvania 13-1   7-0   6-1   vs. MSJ, vs. MC, @ HC, @ BU
             Hanover 11-3   6-1   5-2   @ AU, vs. BU, vs. TU, @ RHIT
         Rose-Hulman  8-6   4-2   4-4   @ FC, vs. DC, vs. EC, vs. HC
            Anderson  8-6   4-3   4-3   vs. HC, vs. FC, @ MC, @ MSJ
            Bluffton  8-6   4-3   4-3   vs. MC, @ HC, @ DC, vs. TU
            Franklin  7-7   5-3   2-4   vs. RHIT, @ AU, @ MSJ, @ DC
          Manchester  6-8   6-2   0-6   @ BU, @ TU, vs. AU, @ EC
            Defiance  5-9   4-3   1-6   @ EC, @ RHIT, vs. BU, vs. FC
    Mount St. Joseph  3-11  3-4   0-7   @ TU, @ EC, vs. FC, vs. AU
             Earlham  1-13  0-6   1-7   vs. DC, vs. MSJ, @ RHIT, vs. MC


Below is the table showing how the scenarios play out -- although I still have not implemented the revised tiebreaker scheme, so these are not set in stone.  However, it now includes all the remaining games ... including the possibility that the Quakers could win at RHIT.

Team      #1      #2      #3      #4      #5      #6            Tournament?
TU       90.87%   9.13%    --      --      --      --             Yes
HC        9.13%  84.70%   4.80%   1.21%   0.15%    --             Yes
RHIT       --     1.85%  30.97%  29.98%  23.49%  10.07%         96.36%
AU         --     0.78%  22.87%  25.78%  23.81%  18.14%         91.39%
BU         --     3.54%  33.43%  23.94%  18.08%  10.88%         89.86%
FC         --      --     6.47%  13.45%  20.92%  29.34%         70.18%
MC         --      --     1.40%   4.82%  10.94%  22.51%         39.68%
DC         --      --     0.04%   0.82%   2.62%   9.03%         12.52%
MSJ        --      --      --      --      --     0.02%          0.02%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 08, 2012, 12:36:54 PM
Didn't get a chance to check scores till today and boy was I blown away by the Earlham game!!!  Congrats to a much needed victory!
Now I am pulling for a small chance that Defiance wins out which is not an easy task and Franklin to drop three of their four and Manchester to drop two of their four.  I know there are many more scenarios that can get DC in the conference tournament but I will start by crossing my fingers for this one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 08, 2012, 07:46:00 PM
Franklin has already lost 4 in a row and 3 of their final 4 are on the road. Going to be an interesting final 2 weeks to see who gets in. I think 9-9 will be enough for someone to ensure the 6th spot, 8-10 would be a tiebreaker
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 08, 2012, 09:24:36 PM
With wins tonight for Transy, RHIT, Hanover, Manchester, and Defiance, here are the current standings, and the scenario outcomes.  According to my program, MSJ is out of the hunt for a tournament spot -- but don't take that as the final word, because I still haven't fixed the tiebreaker rule -- and I probably won't get around to fixing it this season ...


        Transylvania 14-1   8-0   6-1   vs. MC, @ HC, @ BU
             Hanover 12-3   6-1   6-2   vs. BU, vs. TU, @ RHIT
         Rose-Hulman  9-6   4-2   5-4   vs. DC, vs. EC, vs. HC
            Anderson  8-7   4-4   4-3   vs. FC, @ MC, @ MSJ
            Bluffton  8-7   4-4   4-3   @ HC, @ DC, vs. TU
          Manchester  7-8   6-2   1-6   @ TU, vs. AU, @ EC
            Franklin  7-8   5-4   2-4   @ AU, @ MSJ, @ DC
            Defiance  6-9   4-3   2-6   @ RHIT, vs. BU, vs. FC
    Mount St. Joseph  3-12  3-4   0-8   @ EC, vs. FC, vs. AU
             Earlham  1-14  0-7   1-7   vs. MSJ, @ RHIT, vs. MC

Team      #1      #2      #3      #4      #5      #6            Tournament?
TU       87.85%  12.15%    --      --      --      --             Yes
HC       12.15%  86.78%   1.07%    --      --      --             Yes
RHIT       --     1.07%  63.95%  24.65%   8.66%   1.59%         99.93%
BU         --      --    24.17%  24.88%  19.71%  14.76%         83.53%
AU         --      --     8.53%  25.93%  28.84%  20.02%         83.33%
MC         --      --     1.37%  15.65%  20.54%  26.65%         64.21%
FC         --      --     0.68%   7.45%  18.12%  23.83%         50.07%
DC         --      --     0.22%   1.44%   4.13%  13.15%         18.94%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 10, 2012, 11:29:55 PM
Updated Standings:

14-1   20-2   Transylvania
12-3   16-5   Hanover   
9-6    15-7   Rose-Hulman
8-7    14-8   Bluffton
8-7    12-10   Anderson (Ind.)   
7-8   10-12    Franklin   
7-8    9-13   Manchester     
6-9    10-12    Defiance   
3-12    7-15    Mt. St. Joseph   
1-14   1-21   Earlham

Saturday Games:
Franklin @ Anderson (Ind.)   
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman
Manchester   @ Transylvania      
Mt. St. Joseph @ Earlham      
Bluffton @ Hanover      
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2012, 08:37:16 PM
Bluffton wins at Hanover, 51-48, meaning Transy has locked up the regular season championship.
Defiance also won by 3 on the road, knocking off RHIT 62-59.
The other home teams all won big: TU by 20 over Manchester, AU by 14 over Franklin, and Earlham picking up their second win (and first at home) by 18 over MSJ.

Here's what my program says.  Franklin's prospects are bad because they were swept by both Transy and Hanover, which Defiance split with TU and Manchester split with HC, which would give them an advantage in the event of a tie.

        Transylvania 15-1   9-0   6-1   @ HC, @ BU
             Hanover 12-4   6-2   6-2   vs. TU, @ RHIT
            Bluffton  9-7   4-4   5-3   @ DC, vs. TU
         Rose-Hulman  9-7   4-3   5-4   vs. EC, vs. HC
            Anderson  9-7   5-4   4-3   @ MC, @ MSJ
          Manchester  7-9   6-2   1-7   vs. AU, @ EC
            Defiance  7-9   4-3   3-6   vs. BU, vs. FC
            Franklin  7-9   5-4   2-5   @ MSJ, @ DC
    Mount St. Joseph  3-13  3-4   0-9   vs. FC, vs. AU
             Earlham  2-14  1-7   1-7   @ RHIT, vs. MC

Team      #1      #2      #3      #4      #5      #6            Tournament?
TU      100.00%    --      --      --      --      --             Yes
HC         --   100.00%    --      --      --      --             Yes
RHIT       --      --    30.47%  36.72%  28.52%   4.30%           Yes
AU         --      --    18.75%  33.20%  41.02%   7.03%           Yes
BU         --      --    50.78%  25.39%  11.72%   7.81%         95.70%
MC         --      --      --     2.34%   9.38%  23.83%         35.55%
DC         --      --      --     2.34%   9.38%  30.86%         42.58%
FC         --      --      --      --      --    26.17%         26.17%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 12, 2012, 08:52:16 AM
15-1   21-2   Transylvania
12-4   16-6   Hanover   
9-7    15-8   Rose-Hulman
9-7    15-8   Bluffton
9-7    13-10   Anderson (Ind.)   
7-9   10-13    Franklin   
7-9    9-14   Manchester     
7-9    11-12    Defiance   
3-13    7-16    Mt. St. Joseph   
2-14   2-21   Earlham
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 15, 2012, 05:54:52 AM
Games for tonight 2/15/2012:

Anderson  @ Manchester
Franklin @ Mt. St. Joseph
Transylvania @ Hanover
Earlham @ Rose-Hulman
Bluffton @ Defiance
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 15, 2012, 12:21:34 PM
Some big games tonight for a few schools that are battling for a spot in the HCAC tourney! 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 15, 2012, 09:54:23 PM
Manchester 81 Anderson 71
Franklin 62 MSJ 55
Transylvania 74 Hanover 65
Rose-Hulman 64 Earlham 53
Defiance 55 Bluffton 53
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2012, 09:55:19 PM
Two spots still available, with four teams in the hunt ...

        Transylvania 16-1   9-0   7-1   @ BU
             Hanover 12-5   6-3   6-2   @ RHIT
         Rose-Hulman 10-7   5-3   5-4   vs. HC
            Anderson  9-8   5-4   4-4   @ MSJ
            Bluffton  9-8   4-4   5-4   vs. TU
          Manchester  8-9   7-2   1-7   @ EC
            Defiance  8-9   5-3   3-6   vs. FC
            Franklin  8-9   5-4   3-5   @ DC
    Mount St. Joseph  3-14  3-5   0-9   vs. AU
             Earlham  2-15  1-7   1-8   vs. MC

Team      #1      #2      #3      #4      #5      #6            Tournament?
TU      100.00%    --      --      --      --      --             Yes
HC         --   100.00%    --      --      --      --             Yes
RHIT       --      --    68.75%  25.00%   6.25%    --             Yes
AU         --      --     6.25%  25.00%  56.25%  12.50%           Yes
BU         --      --    25.00%  37.50%   6.25%   6.25%         75.00%
MC         --      --      --    12.50%  18.75%  12.50%         43.75%
DC         --      --      --      --    12.50%  31.25%         43.75%
FC         --      --      --      --      --    37.50%         37.50%

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2012, 05:01:25 AM
Here's the most likely scenario of the final games... Anderson beats MSJ and locks up a spot, Bluffton loses to Transy to finish 9-9, Manchester beats Earlham to also get to 9-9, and either Franklin or Defiance is also in the tie at 9-9.

Based on a three way tie for 5th, the final 2 spots would work out (assuming I'm reading the tiebreakers right):

Defiance beats Franklin:
Manchester gets the 5 seed with a superior H2H record (3-1 vs 2-2 vs 1-3) and Defiance gets the 6 seed by having a better record against #1 Transy (1-1 vs 0-2) leaving Bluffton out of the tourney.

Franklin beats Defiance:
Manchester again gets the 5 seed with a superior H2H record (3-1 vs 2-2 vs 1-3) and Bluffton gets the 6 seed by having a better record against #2 Hanover (1-1 vs 0-2) leaving Franklin out of the tourney.

Of course we all saw what happens when you assume any results back when Earlham finally won...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 16, 2012, 08:08:06 AM
So Franklin needs to lose to get in the HCAC tourney?  I am picking Hanover in the conference tournament and the HCAC getting two teams in the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 16, 2012, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2012, 05:01:25 AM
Franklin beats Defiance:
Manchester again gets the 5 seed with a superior H2H record (3-1 vs 2-2 vs 1-3) and Bluffton gets the 6 seed by having a better record against #2 Hanover (1-1 vs 0-2) leaving Franklin out of the tourney.

In this scenario does FCGrizzliesGrad mean "leaving Defiance out of the tourney" instead of "leaving Franklin out of the tourney"? That would seem to make more sense but I am sure Darryl can figure it out.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2012, 10:38:52 AM
Only 6 teams make the tourney. With the assumptions I made the top 4 teams were Transy, Hanover, Rose, and Anderson leaving two spots to fill.

Assuming Bluffton loses to Transy and Manchester beats Earlham then they would both be 9-9. Whoever wins the Franklin-Defiance game will also be 9-9 and the loser will be 8-10 and out of the picture. If Defiance beats Franklin there is a three way tie between Manchester, Defiance, and Bluffton for 5th place and Bluffton would be the odd team out with Franklin not even factoring into it (being 8th place). If Franklin beats Defiance then the three way tie would be Manchester, Bluffton, and Franklin for 5th and Franklin would be the odd team out and Defiance not factoring in (being 8th).

Of course if surprises occur then the scenarios will be different. Such as if Earlham upsets Manchester then Bluffton and the FC-DC winner will be in.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 17, 2012, 05:16:17 AM
I went through and figured out who would be in based on all the various scenarios... I have a bit different percentages than Darryl, but he said he didn't have the tiebreakers updated. Assuming I did it properly (H2H first, then record vs Transy, record vs Hanover, record vs Rose [and all ties were broken by this point]) Here's what I've figured:
Anderson: 100% (they are in the tourney)
Bluffton: 87.5%
Defiance: 50%
Manchester: 37.5%
Franklin: 25%

Just like the final week of the NFL when they announce the various ways a team can make the playoffs, here's what each team needs to do...

Bluffton: Win OR Manchester Loss OR Franklin Win
Defiance: Win
Manchester: Win plus Bluffton Loss OR Win plus Franklin Win
Franklin: Win plus Manchester Loss

Bluffton and Defiance are in control of their destiny, Bluffton can also make it with some help if they lose, Manchester and Franklin need to win and have help
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on February 17, 2012, 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 17, 2012, 05:16:17 AM
Anderson: 100% (they are in the tourney)

Bluffton: Win OR Manchester Loss OR Franklin Win
Defiance: Win
Manchester: Win plus Bluffton Loss OR Win plus Franklin Win
Franklin: Win plus Manchester Loss

Bluffton and Defiance are in control of their destiny, Bluffton can also make it with some help if they lose, Manchester and Franklin need to win and have help

FWIW, I went through all 32 scenarios this morning and I concur with this assessment.  The 4-way ties for 4th were fun to break.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 18, 2012, 04:45:57 PM
Manchester  70-67 Earlham
Rose-Hulman 75-61 Hanover
Anderson 63-59 MSJ
Defiance 70-68 Franklin
Bluffton 83-65 Transylvania
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 18, 2012, 06:24:19 PM
#6 Defiance vs. #3 Rose-Hulman    6:00 PM HCAC Tournament Opening Round @ Transylvania University    
#4 Bluffton vs. #5 Anderson (Ind.)    8:00 PM HCAC Tournament Opening Round @ Transylvania University

6/3 winner vs. #2 Hanover
4/5 winner vs. #1 Transylvania
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 19, 2012, 03:05:09 PM
For everyone other than Transy, its now win the league tournament or no NCAA this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2012, 04:41:29 PM
FYI: Transylvania Coach Brian Lane will be a guest on Hoopsville tonight. Show starts at 7:00 PM EST, though Coach Lane should be around 7:30 (give or take).

You can tune into the show live at www.d3hoopsville.com
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The archive of the show will also be available within minutes of us going off the air. Look to Twitter, Facebook, and our website for a link.

Hope we see you tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 19, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
Sure hope Hanover can regroup after this most recent loss to RH. It is definitely within their ability to win the tourney if they come out firing and aggressive on offense! Go Panthers !
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2012, 09:51:35 PM
If you missed tonight's Hoopsville with an interview with Coach Brian Lane from Transylvania, here is the archive: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb19 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb19)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2012, 09:57:03 AM
Using percentages from Massey, here's the approximate chances for each team winning in each round of the conference tourney...
1st round
4 Bluffton: 49.5%
5 Anderson: 50.5%
3 Rose: 72.2%
6 Defiance: 27.8%

Semi-finals
1 Transy: 85.7%
4 Bluffton: 7.0%
5 Anderson: 7.3%
3 Rose: 33.6%
6 Defiance: 7.1%
2 Hanover: 59.3%

Finals
1 Transy: 67.5%
4 Bluffton: 2.7%
5 Anderson: 2.8%
3 Rose: 8.9%
6 Defiance: 1.0%
2 Hanover: 17.2%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 21, 2012, 11:39:47 AM
Taking a look back, the coaches did a pretty good job.  Just have to flip Manchester and Bluffton as well as Defiance and Anderson. 
Preseason coaches poll
Transylvania (5) 86
Hanover (1)      78
Rose-Hulman      77
Manchester (2)   75
Defiance (1)     58
Anderson (1)     57
Bluffton         47
Franklin         42
Mt St Joseph     18
Earlham          12

Pretty excited that DC was able to win their final six to get them the final spot into the tourney.  I'm hoping they can continue the win streak at least to the final game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2012, 09:41:28 AM
HCAC tourney is finally underway...
Massey correctly had both first games picked... here's the current percentages

Semi-finals
1 Transy:   85.5%
5 Anderson: 14.5%
3 Rose:     46.6%
2 Hanover:  53.4%


Finals
1 Transy:  66.8%
5 Anderson: 5.4%
3 Rose:    12.3%
2 Hanover: 15.5%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2012, 03:57:44 PM
Congrats to Rose for winning the tourney and getting the auto bid. Hopefully Transy gets in as well and the HCAC can kick some butt.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2012, 02:40:21 PM
Rose-Hulman will play North Central who won the CCIW. Their pod will be hosted by WashU
Transy got an at large and will host their pod. First up is Carroll who won the MWC.

Good luck to both. Let's have an HCAC battle in the Sweet 16 :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2012, 01:00:22 AM
Rose loses to North Central 74-71 and Transy lost 84-74 to Carroll. Throw in the Franklin women losing by 3 and it's been a rough tourney all around. Hopefully next year the conference will do better.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCF on March 15, 2012, 11:21:34 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2012, 01:00:22 AM
Rose loses to North Central 74-71 and Transy lost 84-74 to Carroll. Throw in the Franklin women losing by 3 and it's been a rough tourney all around. Hopefully next year the conference will do better.
Who do you see leading the pack?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 16, 2012, 10:54:53 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 15, 2012, 11:21:34 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2012, 01:00:22 AM
Rose loses to North Central 74-71 and Transy lost 84-74 to Carroll. Throw in the Franklin women losing by 3 and it's been a rough tourney all around. Hopefully next year the conference will do better.
Who do you see leading the pack?
I think you have to start with Transy. Bringing back a good portion of their team and will be filled with seniors next year. Going to be tough to beat them. Rose will be good as well. After that I haven't looked too close at the teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCF on March 16, 2012, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 16, 2012, 10:54:53 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 15, 2012, 11:21:34 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2012, 01:00:22 AM
Rose loses to North Central 74-71 and Transy lost 84-74 to Carroll. Throw in the Franklin women losing by 3 and it's been a rough tourney all around. Hopefully next year the conference will do better.
Who do you see leading the pack?
I think you have to start with Transy. Bringing back a good portion of their team and will be filled with seniors next year. Going to be tough to beat them. Rose will be good as well. After that I haven't looked too close at the teams.
A good group of seniors is alway tough to beat. Hopefully, they will take the experience from this year and make a deep run in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 16, 2012, 11:11:36 AM
Here are the seniors listed on each roster.  Some teams will have big holes to fill ...


AUBowman, Andrew (6'7" F),
Morrison, Brock (6'4" F)
BUFarley, Brent (6'6" F),
Heckelman, Nate (6'3" G),
Hill, Mychal (6'1" G),
Lee, Nick (6'0" G),
Swick, Steve (6'2" G)
DCBrown, Anthony (6'3" G),
Hoke, Brandon (5'10" G),
Morris, Justin (6'7" F),
Tietje, Kevin (6'7" F),
Tietje, Kyle (6'6" F)
ECBarger, Justin (6'4" F),
Bledsoe, Marcus (6'7" C),
Calder, Kyle (5'9" G),
Taylor, Ryan (6'0" G)
FCBeach, Seve (5'7" G),
Conoley, Will (6'6" C),
Merschbrock, Zach (6'5" C),
Starrett, Clay (5'9" G)
HCCase, Mike (6'5" C)
MCLayman, Matt (6'5" G/F),
Morris, Matt (6'7" PF),
Moss, Jordan (6'4" G),
Spindler, Jason (6'10" C)
MSJCass, Clifford (5'11" G),
Lane, David (5'9" G)
RHITHarlan, Spencer (6'6" F),
Haslag, Jason (6'6" F),
Knotts, Blake (5'10" G),
Nielson, Jordan (6'3" F)
TUOwens, Chris (6'3" G/F),
Stone, Michael (6'2" G/F)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCF on March 16, 2012, 01:33:53 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on March 16, 2012, 11:11:36 AM
Here are the seniors listed on each roster.  Some teams will have big holes to fill ...


AUBowman, Andrew (6'7" F),
Morrison, Brock (6'4" F)
BUFarley, Brent (6'6" F),
Heckelman, Nate (6'3" G),
Hill, Mychal (6'1" G),
Lee, Nick (6'0" G),
Swick, Steve (6'2" G)
DCBrown, Anthony (6'3" G),
Hoke, Brandon (5'10" G),
Morris, Justin (6'7" F),
Tietje, Kevin (6'7" F),
Tietje, Kyle (6'6" F)
ECBarger, Justin (6'4" F),
Bledsoe, Marcus (6'7" C),
Calder, Kyle (5'9" G),
Taylor, Ryan (6'0" G)
FCBeach, Seve (5'7" G),
Conoley, Will (6'6" C),
Merschbrock, Zach (6'5" C),
Starrett, Clay (5'9" G)
HCCase, Mike (6'5" C)
MCLayman, Matt (6'5" G/F),
Morris, Matt (6'7" PF),
Moss, Jordan (6'4" G),
Spindler, Jason (6'10" C)
MSJCass, Clifford (5'11" G),
Lane, David (5'9" G)
RHITHarlan, Spencer (6'6" F),
Haslag, Jason (6'6" F),
Knotts, Blake (5'10" G),
Nielson, Jordan (6'3" F)
TUOwens, Chris (6'3" G/F),
Stone, Michael (6'2" G/F)

Some of them will definitely have some spots to fill, but you never know which kid is going to step up when they finally get their chance to start/play significant minutes off the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on June 23, 2012, 09:10:23 PM
Owen Handy (former Wheaton (IL) College assistant) has been named the head coach at Anderson University.


Link (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/6_23_owen_hire)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on July 14, 2012, 04:14:37 PM
While its certainly not a requirement for success, its interesting to note that new Anderson head coach Owen Handy did not play basketball during his undergrad years at Wheaton. I don't have the stats at hand, but I'd guess its fairly rare to find a head coach with no college playing experience
He does have 9 years of assistant coaching experience at the college level, the first six as an assistant under longtime Wheaton coach Bill Harris, and the last 3 years as head assistant under Mike Schauer.

Be prepared to see the bow tie become prominent on the Anderson fashion scene.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 21, 2012, 02:16:59 PM
In case anyone missed it, Transylvania will start the season at the inaugural Hoopsville National Invitational Classic at Stevenson University.

Stevenson will play Catholic on the night of Friday, November 16th... and then Randolph-Macon on Saturday evening.

For more information, check out the story: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/09/hoopsville-classic-introduction (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/09/hoopsville-classic-introduction)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on October 23, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
Found an interesting transfer away from an HCAC school

Jeff Hugan from Defiance to DII Wayne State in Detroit.

http://wsuathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=5401&path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 25, 2012, 09:21:55 AM
Coaches poll is out. Looks like Transy is favored to repeat

1. Transylvania (7)    97
2. Rose-Hulman (3)   92
3. Hanover               76
4. Defiance               64
5. Franklin                49
6. Bluffton                48
7. Manchester           40
8. Anderson              36
9. Mount St. Joseph   34
10. Earlham              14
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 02, 2012, 12:35:28 AM
The beginning of this board is funny.

Just wanted to pop in and say "Good Luck" to Coach Owen Handy!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 02, 2012, 08:02:54 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on November 02, 2012, 12:35:28 AM
The beginning of this board is funny. ...

Thanks, dhf  -- I don't feel alone anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 11, 2012, 03:26:48 PM
Football season is (just about) over and basketball season is about to start. Earlham kicks things off on Thursday which starts off a 2 week stretch for the conference of at least 1 game every day but Thanksgiving.
Transy starts the season off ranked 16th, Rose #30
Let's hope this season ends later than the first round of the NCAA tournament :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 12, 2012, 02:54:56 PM
Here are the team compositions around the conference -- make of this what you will ...

School      FY+SO+JR+SR= Total
AU
2 + 8 + 3 + 1
= 14
BU
10 + 6 + 8 + 3
= 27
DC
11 + 7 + 1 + 2
= 21
EC
11 + 2 + 2 + 2
= 17
FC
10 + 7 + 5 + 1
= 23
HC
6 + 5 + 1 + 3
= 15
MU
6 + 6 + 0 + 1
= 13
MSJ
9 + 4 + 3 + 1
= 17
RHIT
5 + 2 + 7 + 5
= 19
TU
5 + 2 + 1 + 7
= 15
A couple of other comments:
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 12, 2012, 08:29:46 PM
The numbers that stand out to me are the number of seniors for Transy (7) and Rose (5) while no one else has more than 3. And Manchester has just one player that's not a freshman or sophomore.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 13, 2012, 01:06:19 PM
With the additions of some big men down in the post, I hope DC makes a strong showing and stays competitive throughout the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 21, 2012, 02:30:16 PM
Lots of crickets here!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2012, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 21, 2012, 02:30:16 PM
Lots of crickets here!
Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse (it is the Christmas season even though it's not Thanksgiving yet right? ::))
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 22, 2012, 09:03:16 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2012, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 21, 2012, 02:30:16 PM
Lots of crickets here!
Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse (it is the Christmas season even though it's not Thanksgiving yet right? ::))

Seems that way ;D. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 27, 2012, 01:21:44 AM
Belated congrats to Coach Owen Handy for his first win as a head coach!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 27, 2012, 04:33:31 PM
I'm glad that he got it last Saturday and not tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 29, 2012, 06:28:17 AM
Bluffton loses a squeaker 56-54 to MSJ in their HCAC opener. Neither team shot the ball very well (37.8% & 37.5%). 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 29, 2012, 10:32:32 AM
I'm pretty surprised to see Transy drop two already. RHIT is looking to be a really tough team to get through that is for sure and Hanover played a tough game against Butler. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 30, 2012, 04:00:17 AM
Now that conference play has begun (why did Bluffton and MSJ play so early?) it's interesting to see there are no 0s in anyone's record. Rose, Hanover, and Anderson all have 1 loss while Bluffton and Earlham both have 1 win. At least it's better than the football teams did ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 05, 2012, 08:28:03 AM
Good Luck to HANOVER tonight against Franklin! Keep it rollin' Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on December 06, 2012, 10:04:59 AM
Hanover's only loss came at Butler (in which they competed well)... so as while their record is flawed for all intents and purposes they are the only undefeated HCAC team.

Hanover's high octane offense has been impressive- no one has been able to slow them down yet. With the lightning quick Bass at point, shooters at all positions (and off the bench) and scoring machine Nowicki getting his.... its an impressive thing to watch.

HC is averaging 86 ppg vs D3 competition. You have to put them neck and neck with Rose and Transy as favorites in the conference- its probably gonna be a 3 horse race.

I think they are deserving of top 25 considerations...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 08, 2012, 02:45:57 PM
Should be a good match-up today between Hanover and Defiance.
Hanover has played well at Home and today is the start of a 6-game road stretch that will not have them back home till January 5-- WORK HARD BE TOUGH
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 09, 2012, 06:04:06 AM
Quote from: hotdawg on December 06, 2012, 10:04:59 AM
Hanover's only loss came at Butler (in which they competed well)... so as while their record is flawed for all intents and purposes they are the only undefeated HCAC team.

Hanover's high octane offense has been impressive- no one has been able to slow them down yet. With the lightning quick Bass at point, shooters at all positions (and off the bench) and scoring machine Nowicki getting his.... its an impressive thing to watch.

HC is averaging 86 ppg vs D3 competition. You have to put them neck and neck with Rose and Transy as favorites in the conference- its probably gonna be a 3 horse race.

I think they are deserving of top 25 considerations...

I think you spoke too soon!  Losing by 17 is not going to get you many votes for the top 25. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on December 10, 2012, 11:55:31 AM
Agreed- not going to get any consideration any time soon. Definitely didn't see that coming...  3-27 for 3-point land is gonna get you blown out every time.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 14, 2012, 11:38:04 AM
Well....the HCAC is 25-23 in nonconf. action so far & RHIT continues to show that they are the one to beat in the HCAC.  On a personal note, I hope DC takes advantage of their next few games, since they will be at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 14, 2012, 02:26:45 PM
Hanover has the perfect opportunity tomorrow to get back on track and beat RH. Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 17, 2012, 05:09:25 AM
Back to the non-conference schedule... some interesting games. Mount and Transy have some stiff competition with Franklin & Marshall as well as Wooster... Transy also has another good game with Thomas More... Franklin with a tough game hosting Illinois Wesleyan... Anderson is headed to California after Christmas to play La Verne and Caltech
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 17, 2012, 05:17:49 PM
I think I will have to go and watch the Anderson/Cal Tech game.  It is not too far for me and is always fun to watch a HCAC school play, plus those should be two W's for Anderson as well.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 17, 2012, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 17, 2012, 05:17:49 PM
I think I will have to go and watch the Anderson/Cal Tech game.  It is not too far for me and is always fun to watch a HCAC school play, plus those should be two W's for Anderson as well.

If they lose to Caltech, will the coach make them walk home? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 18, 2012, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 17, 2012, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 17, 2012, 05:17:49 PM
I think I will have to go and watch the Anderson/Cal Tech game.  It is not too far for me and is always fun to watch a HCAC school play, plus those should be two W's for Anderson as well.

If they lose to Caltech, will the coach make them walk home? ;)

That would be a justified punishment :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2012, 06:23:22 AM
Transy has been representing the conference well. Knocked off back to back ranked teams in #13 Wooster and #8 Franklin & Marshall. Next they host unranked but 8-1 Thomas More. How did this team lose at home to Manchester? ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 20, 2012, 11:00:11 AM
Manchester United is  in 1st place and leads the league in goals scored. Manchester City is in 2nd place and leads the league in scoring defense. Its pretty easy to see why they lost to Manchester!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 20, 2012, 08:36:22 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 20, 2012, 11:00:11 AM
Manchester United is  in 1st place and leads the league in goals scored. Manchester City is in 2nd place and leads the league in scoring defense. Its pretty easy to see why they lost to Manchester!  ;)



(crickets)



The obscure Premier League references are lost on pretty much everybody, I think, Tom. I at least know who you're talking about... but then again, I work for Aon... we're still the jersey sponsor for ManUtd for a few more months....
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2012, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on December 20, 2012, 08:36:22 PM
The obscure Premier League references are lost on pretty much everybody, I think, Tom....

Obscure?  You mean not everyone follows the EPL?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 20, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
Manchester beating Transylvania is more like Sunderland beating Tottenham. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2012, 09:32:00 PM
NOW you're trying to be obscure! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2012, 09:43:16 PM
I keep an eye on the EPL but don't follow it nearly as closely as I do Aussie Rules Football. But my team of choice the past couple seasons has been the Canaries of Norwich City

While looking ahead at games I might pick for the pick'em slate I found a game on Jan 8th that sounds like a League 2 or Conference National game... Johnson & Wales @ Suffolk
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 20, 2012, 11:43:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2012, 09:32:00 PM
NOW you're trying to be obscure! ;D

I think its fair, Sunderland is near the bottom of their league as is Manchester.  Tottenham are fighting for European Cup spots while Transylvania is fighting for a spot in the NCAA's.

If I wanted to be obscure I could have said it was like Aldershot beating Rotherham. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 21, 2012, 03:25:49 PM
... or the Bournemouth Gynecologists beating the Watford Long John Silver Impersonators. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejTTJmJSHkk)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on December 28, 2012, 01:40:32 PM
Good luck to Hanover tonight!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 29, 2012, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 21, 2012, 03:25:49 PM
... or the Bournemouth Gynecologists beating the Watford Long John Silver Impersonators. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejTTJmJSHkk)
I thought the Impersonators had a chance but was way wrong!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 06, 2013, 12:13:59 AM
Good to see the Panthers playing aggressively again....Transy on Wed. Should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 10, 2013, 02:13:28 PM
Transylvania took a significant loss last night losing at Hanover.  This loss puts Rose-Hulman 2 up in the loss column with Transylvania coming to Terre Haute on Saturday.  R-H could really put a solid grip on the HCAC regular season title with a win.  They continue to do some pretty amazing things defensively holding their last two opponents to 76 total points.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 16, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
Now that Hanover beat Transy and Transy beat RH the HCAC is wide open....Let's go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 17, 2013, 12:39:54 PM
I see RHIT, Transy, and HC battling to the very end for the top spot.  I am hoping DC can make a push, but predict a four spot come tourney time.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 17, 2013, 01:29:16 PM
If you go to http://espn.go.com/nba/ right now, you'll see a picture of a player from Kentucky and in the background, a player from Transy.  Thought it was pretty cool!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 25, 2013, 02:54:52 PM
Two close ones for RHIT over their last two games.  Any news on their team like injuries?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on January 28, 2013, 09:44:09 AM
The conference race is set for quite a finish these last few weeks. RHIT plays 5 of their next 6 on the road including at Transy, at Defiance and at Hanover.

Transy has the easiest remaining schedule of the Top 3 dogs... with RHIT and Hanover both having to make the trip to Lexington.

Hanover needs to get a road win against a dangerous Franklin team Wednesday - also play home vs RHIT and @ Transy the last 2 games of the year.

We will get the first glimpse at the HCAC at-large potential first on February 6th when the first regional rankings come out.

As of today the Massey Ratings (for whatever its worth) have these national rankings:

Transylvania ranked #22
RHIT ranked #29
Hanover ranked #58
Franklin ranked #108
Defiance ranked #114

I am pretty sure (Massey) every game counts no matter what division they are in so these are no where near the same criteria that D3hoops.com or the regional rankings would use... but I found it interesting.

Transy likley saw the biggest boost by beating #5 Wooster earlier in the year... the most impressive win by anyone in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 28, 2013, 09:55:02 AM
I did some projected Midwest Region rankings yesterday on the CCIW board.  I have Transylvania #1.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4592.32040
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 30, 2013, 10:36:12 PM
Hanover drops a big one against Franklin today and there's a big game this Saturday as RHIT travels to Transy to try to take one back from them.  Hanover must be hoping for another Transy W so they'll still have a shot for the one seed. 

I'm hoping DC can finish strong to lock down that four seed or even make a push for the three spot if things go wrong for Hanover.  Time will tell as they still have several tough tests ahead of them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 08, 2013, 12:38:11 PM
The HCAC is wrapping up pretty close the way it was picked.  Transy needs to some help from RHIT's next three opponenets to lock down the crown while finishing unscathed.  Hanover has the toughest test because they face Transy and RHIT to finish out their schedule.
Personally, I would like to see Hanover drop at least two of their final three (actually all three) and DC to win their final three to have the same conference standings.  They split their games against eachother but not sure what the measure is after that to determine who gets the higher seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 08, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
Hanover has already beaten Transy once and only lost to RH by a last second shot after leading 33-22 at halftime at RH. Hanover is a deep team with many scoring threats. With a stronger defensive effort, the Panthers have the depth and leadership to win out the final 3 games. Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 09, 2013, 09:26:35 AM
Quote from: zander on February 08, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
Hanover has already beaten Transy once and only lost to RH by a last second shot after leading 33-22 at halftime at RH. Hanover is a deep team with many scoring threats. With a stronger defensive effort, the Panthers have the depth and leadership to win out the final 3 games. Go Panthers!
Never said they couldn't, just hoping they do! 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 09, 2013, 02:22:30 PM
Never said they won't, just hoping they don't.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 09, 2013, 04:40:37 PM
Touche! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 14, 2013, 07:52:46 AM
First of all, Earlham beats RHIT, wow!!!  Next, huge win by Hanover winning on the the road against Transy.  I do not know how the tie breaker system goes (where's Mr. Nester?), but if Hanover wins, they'll at least have the momentum.  Finally, I'm very disappointed in my Jackets getting blown out by Bluffton.  I hope they can close out Saturday with a win to lock down that four spot and get that extra home game against Franklin.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on February 14, 2013, 09:03:34 AM
If Hanover wins they will have the tie-break for the #1 seed. The HCAC twitter feed posted that info last night - apparently because Hanover swept Transy and Rose split with them....

https://twitter.com/HCACDIII/status/301879288108560384
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2013, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 14, 2013, 07:52:46 AM
First of all, Earlham beats RHIT, wow!!!  Next, huge win by Hanover winning on the the road against Transy.  I do not know how the tie breaker system goes (where's Mr. Nester?), but if Hanover wins, they'll at least have the momentum.  Finally, I'm very disappointed in my Jackets getting blown out by Bluffton.  I hope they can close out Saturday with a win to lock down that four spot and get that extra home game against Franklin.
I don't know how the tiebreaker would work if Franklin beats Defiance. Unless I didn't see correctly both Franklin and Defiance have the same record against every team in the leauge. What would be the next tiebreaker?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on February 14, 2013, 01:54:12 PM
According to this article posted by HCAC last year it would come down to NCAA Quality of Wins Index...

http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/2_13_week_13_report

Accoring to D3hoops tourney FAQs:

[/b]How does the NCAA compute Quality of Wins index?[/b]

"Thankfully, it no longer computes this flawed metric. It was removed from the selection and regional ranking process for the 2007-08 season."

...of course

I found this article which breaks down what the INDEX is - no idea if it is still relevant but here it is if you want to take a look.

http://www.uscho.com/faq/division-iii-pairwise-rankings-explanation/
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2013, 03:18:31 PM
Ok, I used that to figure up the Quality of Wins scores. Taking out all the conference games that had identical results (games against everyone but against each other and Anderson), removing non D3 games from records, and assuming Franklin beats Defiance Saturday, here's what I've got.

Franklin
@ Centre      7 QoW points
Albion        9
@ DePauw      5
@ Millikin   11
@ Defiance    5
vs Trine     12
vs Wabash    10|8*
vs IWU       14
@ Anderson   11
vs Anderson   2
vs Defiance  12



Defiance
Ohio Wesleyan    7
@ Frostburg St   3
@ Ohio Northern 13|11*
vs Alma         10
@ Anderson       3
vs Kalamazoo     8
vs Franklin     12
vs Finlandia     8
vs Adrian        4
vs Anderson     10
@ Franklin       5

*Depends on opponent's final record

Franklin has 96 or 98 while Defiance has 81 or 83. So my assumption is whoever wins the Defiance-Franklin game will host the rematch in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
More likely... they are using the NCAA SOS numbers now... that happens in other conferences. I doubt they are using QOWI... they probably just haven't changed the language.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on February 15, 2013, 11:18:38 AM
Tournament Scenarios courtesy of HCAC Twitter.

Winner of Hanover/ RHIT will be #1 Seed/ Loser will be #2 seed.

https://twitter.com/HCACDIII/status/302449078090993665

Transy is #3 seed.

Winner of Defiance and Franklin will be #4 seed/ Loser will be #5 seed.

https://twitter.com/HCACDIII/status/302449361831469056

MSJ is #6 seed with a win over Anderson.

Anderson is #6 seed with win and Bluffton loss vs Transy.

Bluffton is #6 seed with win over Transy and MSJ loss vs Anderson.

https://twitter.com/HCACDIII/status/302449668724494336

https://twitter.com/HCACDIII/status/302449783518408705
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 15, 2013, 10:02:11 PM
Finally some action on this board and I break my hand today and can barely type.  At least there's some chatter!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 15, 2013, 10:42:23 PM
Sorry to hear it! Should be a lot of good games over the next week....Can't wait to get to Hanover tomorrow and watch the teams battle for 1st place. It will be intense that's for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2013, 01:03:30 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 15, 2013, 10:02:11 PM
Finally some action on this board and I break my hand today and can barely type.  At least there's some chatter!!!!
It's still better than the women's board... in the last 2 seasons there's been 13 posts and 12 are from me :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 16, 2013, 09:09:11 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2013, 01:03:30 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 15, 2013, 10:02:11 PM
Finally some action on this board and I break my hand today and can barely type.  At least there's some chatter!!!!
It's still better than the women's board... in the last 2 seasons there's been 13 posts and 12 are from me :-\
that is some serious talkin to yourself.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 17, 2013, 04:23:57 PM
Using Massey's numbers, here's the odds of each team winning in each round of the conference tourney

                          QF        SF         Final
1 Rose-Hulman           100%      80.74%      46.59%
4 Defiance               71%      14.91%       4.23%
5 Franklin               29%       4.35%       0.94%
3 Transylvania           93%      55.80%      29.49%
6 Mount St. Joseph        7%       0.98%       0.12%
2 Hanover               100%      43.22%      18.64%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 20, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
Glad to see DC took care of business in the first round.  Hoping RHIT plays the way they played against Earlham in the semi's.

I am expecting a great game between Hanover and Transy.  I'm taking Transy by no more than 5. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 20, 2013, 02:01:40 PM
It's tough to beat a team 3x and that's what Hanover will have to do against Transy but it also gives the Panthers all the confidence knowing they can beat Transy without a doubt. I think Defiance has been a dangerous team in this league for the last four years with the ability to beat any team on any given night so RH might be in for an upset. RH has won more than its fair share of games this year by one or two points so anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2013, 04:25:25 PM
Quote from: zander on February 20, 2013, 02:01:40 PM
It's tough to beat a team 3x

Oh, please. Not that cliche again.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweknowmemes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F02%2Fi-want-a-facepalm-button.jpg&hash=7dbe70ec179f3196715671cf1a2285b96407e8ae)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 20, 2013, 05:15:53 PM
I'm hoping it's just a cliche!! Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 21, 2013, 07:48:23 AM
Transy #5 and RHIT #6 in the Midwest Regional Rankings.  I wonder what the likely hood for them to get in without winning the conference tournament,since Defiance is going to win that ;D.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 24, 2013, 02:55:25 AM
Good season and career to Hanover seniors...Brian, Drake and Ryan congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 24, 2013, 03:28:46 AM
Good luck to RHIT in the D3 tourney and good luck to Transy in the bubble watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on February 25, 2013, 08:51:43 AM
Its a joke if Transy gets in and Hanover doesnt.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 25, 2013, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: hotdawg on February 25, 2013, 08:51:43 AM
Its a joke if Transy gets in and Hanover doesnt.
You might need to be prepared to laugh because I think they have a pretty good shot.  Does not seem right considering Hanover swept Transy and beat Centre when they did not but I guess the two extra W's is what gives them a shot.   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 25, 2013, 10:37:21 AM
Not only did Hanover beat transy 3x but the Panthers also clinched 2nd place over Transy in the conference standings and made it to the HCAC championship game over Transy. No way should Transy be picked over Hanover.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 25, 2013, 11:38:04 AM
Unfortunately, Transy will get into the tournament over Hanover.  Transy did a better job in their non-conference schedule compared to Hanover.  Wins over teams like Denison and Oberlin and a loss to a team like Wabash does not really help Hanover's cause. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on February 25, 2013, 11:46:10 AM
Yea its not looking good based on the "experts" predictions. Nothing makes me more upset that the D3 tournament selection process. Its a total mess.

In region:

Hanover: 18-7
Transy: 19-6

Hanover lost to Wabash but Transy lost to one of the worst teams in the Nation is Manchester, at home!

The resumes are actually pretty similar- in my eyes if you beat a team 3 times with similar resumes then its a no brainer who the better team is.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on February 25, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: hotdawg on February 25, 2013, 11:46:10 AM
Yea its not looking good based on the "experts" predictions. Nothing makes me more upset that the D3 tournament selection process. Its a total mess.

In region:

Hanover: 18-7
Transy: 19-6

Hanover lost to Wabash but Transy lost to one of the worst teams in the Nation is Manchester, at home!

The resumes are actually pretty similar- in my eyes if you beat a team 3 times with similar resumes then its a no brainer who the better team is.

Transylvania - 19-6 (.760)/.548/4-1 
Hanover - 18-7 (.720)/.524/.3-3


Transylvania has a better overall Pool C resume.  Hanover's numbers are not good enough to get in...Transy's are good enough to at least get to the bubble for consideration. 

As I see it, if the Midwest region ranks Hanover higher than Transy, neither will get in.  Both had a chance to get in via Pool A and did not take advantage.  At this point the region has to put its teams up in the order that maximixes Pool C possibilities.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 25, 2013, 12:22:56 PM
At the end of the season, when it really counted, Hanover outplayed Transy. If beating Transy head to head 3x, taking the conference bye away from them, and beating them in the HCAC tourney doesn't prove Hanover is the better team, something is wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2013, 12:53:53 PM
Rose will host Calvin and Transy will head to Illinois Wesleyan. Good luck to both teams :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on February 25, 2013, 01:04:54 PM
good luck to Rose. Hopefully Transy gets beat by 40. yes im bitter
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 25, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: hotdawg on February 25, 2013, 01:04:54 PM
good luck to Rose. Hopefully Transy gets beat by 40. yes im bitter

ha ha
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 25, 2013, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: hotdawg on February 25, 2013, 01:04:54 PM
good luck to Rose. Hopefully Transy gets beat by 40. yes im bitter

Well, I have nothing to be bitter about, but as a Titan fan, I echo your sentiment! ;D

(I don't for a moment expect a blowout, but one can always hope!)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 25, 2013, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on February 25, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: hotdawg on February 25, 2013, 11:46:10 AM
Yea its not looking good based on the "experts" predictions. Nothing makes me more upset that the D3 tournament selection process. Its a total mess.

In region:

Hanover: 18-7
Transy: 19-6

Hanover lost to Wabash but Transy lost to one of the worst teams in the Nation is Manchester, at home!

The resumes are actually pretty similar- in my eyes if you beat a team 3 times with similar resumes then its a no brainer who the better team is.

Transylvania - 19-6 (.760)/.548/4-1 
Hanover - 18-7 (.720)/.524/.3-3


Transylvania has a better overall Pool C resume.  Hanover's numbers are not good enough to get in...Transy's are good enough to at least get to the bubble for consideration. 

As I see it, if the Midwest region ranks Hanover higher than Transy, neither will get in.  Both had a chance to get in via Pool A and did not take advantage.  At this point the region has to put its teams up in the order that maximixes Pool C possibilities.

I wonder if Hanover received the #8 ranking in the region, thus giving Transy 3 more of the ever popular RRO's.


Transylvania played a pretty outstanding non-conference schedule that included 5 tournament teams.

Catholic
Randolph-Macon
Spalding
Centre
Wooster

and two more that were regionally ranked
Franklin and Marshall
Thomas More
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2013, 12:07:52 AM
Quote from: zander on February 25, 2013, 12:22:56 PM
At the end of the season, when it really counted, Hanover outplayed Transy. If beating Transy head to head 3x, taking the conference bye away from them, and beating them in the HCAC tourney doesn't prove Hanover is the better team, something is wrong.

In this case, Hanover proved they were the better team when they played, but the overall picture and the criteria says that Transylvania proved they were the better team for the entire season. The criteria is there and Hanover only won 1/5 of the primary criteria.

Quote from: sac on February 25, 2013, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on February 25, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: hotdawg on February 25, 2013, 11:46:10 AM
Yea its not looking good based on the "experts" predictions. Nothing makes me more upset that the D3 tournament selection process. Its a total mess.

In region:

Hanover: 18-7
Transy: 19-6

Hanover lost to Wabash but Transy lost to one of the worst teams in the Nation is Manchester, at home!

The resumes are actually pretty similar- in my eyes if you beat a team 3 times with similar resumes then its a no brainer who the better team is.

Transylvania - 19-6 (.760)/.548/4-1 
Hanover - 18-7 (.720)/.524/.3-3


Transylvania has a better overall Pool C resume.  Hanover's numbers are not good enough to get in...Transy's are good enough to at least get to the bubble for consideration. 

As I see it, if the Midwest region ranks Hanover higher than Transy, neither will get in.  Both had a chance to get in via Pool A and did not take advantage.  At this point the region has to put its teams up in the order that maximixes Pool C possibilities.

I wonder if Hanover received the #8 ranking in the region, thus giving Transy 3 more of the ever popular RRO's.


Transylvania played a pretty outstanding non-conference schedule that included 5 tournament teams.

Catholic
Randolph-Macon
Spalding
Centre
Wooster

and two more that were regionally ranked
Franklin and Marshall
Thomas More

From what I was told of the final regional rankings... Hanover was not #8... in fact they did not make the list.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 26, 2013, 06:44:01 AM
Wonder how many of the other teams that got an at large bid, didn't get second in their conference, didn't make it to their conference championship game and was beaten 3x by the team that did?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2013, 11:52:11 AM
You do know that Hanover's coach is on the regional committee, right? While he can't vote for his team or take part in the conversations surrounding his team, I am pretty sure he can give you an explanation why his team wasn't even regionally ranked let alone make the tournament (by the way, it helps if you are regionally ranked especially if one of the teams who was ranked... didn't make the tournament as well).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 26, 2013, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: zander on February 26, 2013, 06:44:01 AM
Wonder how many of the other teams that got an at large bid, didn't get second in their conference, didn't make it to their conference championship game and was beaten 3x by the team that did?

Party of one
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on February 26, 2013, 03:49:25 PM
Well good-luck to the "party of one" and RH.....
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 01, 2013, 08:52:53 AM
Just saw the all-HCAC teams for this season and am a little surprised about the Player of the year!  Wolfrum tops Strickland in almost every statistical category and does not get the nod over Strickland????
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 01, 2013, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 01, 2013, 08:52:53 AM
Just saw the all-HCAC teams for this season and am a little surprised about the Player of the year!  Wolfrum tops Strickland in almost every statistical category and does not get the nod over Strickland????

If the thought process is anything like it is in some other conference settings, a lot more goes into the selection of the POY than mere statistics. In the conference I am most familiar with, the CCIW, the POY (called the MOP there) was from the 2nd place team while the statistical leader in some of the more "important" statistical categories, was actually a member of the 3rd place team. Additionally, and this may have been a factor in the voting, I believe the award winner is a member of the 1st place team in the conference, and the other player referenced is a member of the 4th place team which finished 5 games behind the leader in conference, and 11 games behind overall. As we've all heard, "to the victor go the spoils." Sometimes the process doesn't appear equitable, but I have to believe team standing almost always plays at least some role in the voting for conference awards.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 02, 2013, 01:59:14 AM
Quote from: AndOne on March 01, 2013, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 01, 2013, 08:52:53 AM
Just saw the all-HCAC teams for this season and am a little surprised about the Player of the year!  Wolfrum tops Strickland in almost every statistical category and does not get the nod over Strickland????

If the thought process is anything like it is in some other conference settings, a lot more goes into the selection of the POY than mere statistics. In the conference I am most familiar with, the CCIW, the POY (called the MOP there) was from the 2nd place team while the statistical leader in some of the more "important" statistical categories, was actually a member of the 3rd place team. Additionally, and this may have been a factor in the voting, I believe the award winner is a member of the 1st place team in the conference, and the other player referenced is a member of the 4th place team which finished 5 games behind the leader in conference, and 11 games behind overall. As we've all heard, "to the victor go the spoils." Sometimes the process doesn't appear equitable, but I have to believe team standing almost always plays at least some role in the voting for conference awards.

I see what you are saying, but Wolfrum was the lone senior(other senior did not get much pt) on a team with one junior and the rest were sophmore's and freshmen.  What I am getting at is that Strickland had a better supporting cast to have a better W/L versus what Wolfrum had. 
Well, it doesn't matter much now.  I hope both RHIT and Transy do well in the tournament and after next football season, I look forward to DC dominating the HCAC for the next few years now that the young Sophmores and Freshmen have more experience.  Plus, watch for Hicks to be in the running for MVP of the HCAC next year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 02, 2013, 09:57:33 PM
Rose-Hulman falls at home to Calvin 72-52 and Transylvania loses at Illinois Wesleyan 80-71. Transy hung in there but IWU hit their FT down the stretch. Add in the Hanover women and the HCAC goes 0-3 in the NCAA tourney this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: arena on March 03, 2013, 08:44:42 AM
Anyone here have a password for the Rose-Hulman video on demand so I can watch the game last night?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 12:22:55 PM
arena - I don't think you are going to be able to watch the game at all... per NCAA video guidelines.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 16, 2013, 10:16:25 AM
Well, the season has started with the HCAC record being 3-3 so far.  Hoping we can have a strong showing in nonconference action and then have some strong HCAC conference action where my Jackets end up on top ;D.  Here's to a great season!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 16, 2013, 12:45:43 PM
Ordinarily by this point, someone has posted the preseason poll (which was published a couple of weeks ago).  Since no one has done that yet, here it is, along with last year's results (hastily transcribed, so let me know if I made any mistakes):

2013-14
2012-13
TeamPlace / points (#1 votes)    Pick / Finish (record)
RHIT
1 / 87 (3)
2 / 1 (16-2)
Hanover
2 / 86 (4)
3 / 2 (14-4)
Defiance
3 / 78 (2)
4 / 4 (11-7)
MSJ
4 / 64
9 / 6 (8-10)
Transylvania
5 / 62 (1)
1 / 2 (14-4)
Franklin
6 / 43
5 / 5 (9-9)
Bluffton
7 / 48
6 / 7 (7-11)
Manchester
8 / 29
7 / 10 (1-17)
Anderson
9 / 23
8 / 7 (7-11)
Earlham
10 / 23
10 / 9 (3-15)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 20, 2013, 01:04:06 PM
checking scores, noticed the Wilmington/Transylvania game was suspended at halftime this past weekend.

http://d3hoops.com/teams/Transylvania/men/2013-14/index

Apparently the floor at Mt. St. Joseph became slippery and dangerous from condensation.  Both schools are looking to reschedule I guess.  Odd.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 23, 2013, 04:09:36 AM
Looks like they've rescheduled it for Dec 1st
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 23, 2013, 09:04:05 AM
Our preseason favorite unfortunately got beat by 20 last night.  I know WashU is a 20+ win team, but I am hoping it was a matter of them already having two games played and this being RHIT's first.  Just like in football for the HCAC, I want to see all our teams play very well in non conference action and then to suck it up in conference play when the play DC ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 06, 2013, 11:44:29 AM
So far I am surprised that Hanover lost at home to Franklin the other night at Hanover and a little surprised with Transy's start.  Franklin always seems ready to play, but I was expecting Hanover could be a team that was not going to lose games where they are expected to win. 
I am happy with DC's start of course, but not liking their three close calls against teams that I thought were going to be bigger margins of defeat.  Maybe I am being too biased towards how good my Jackets are, but I guess we will really see as the league play gets going. 
MSJ looks like they are going to be a tough team to handle.  Their two losses are against some good teams and they score indicates that they were not blow outs.  Hopefully DC heads down their ready to battle!
Well, hopefully there will be more activity on this thread since league play has started or maybe I will be just posting to myself.  Either way, football is done in the HCAC and I need something to talk about HCAC sense.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 7express on December 09, 2013, 10:48:20 AM
According to an add promo I saw on Fox Sports Live this morning, the Manchester game vs. Butler this evening is on FOX Sports 1 at 8 PM Eastern for whoever gets that channel.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 09, 2013, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: 7express on December 09, 2013, 10:48:20 AM
According to an add promo I saw on Fox Sports Live this morning, the Manchester game vs. Butler this evening is on FOX Sports 1 at 8 PM Eastern for whoever gets that channel.

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 09, 2013, 08:06:11 PM
Very cool to see Manchester featured on national TV, but I wish they could have been featured in uniforms that weren't quite so hideous.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2013, 08:20:20 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 09, 2013, 08:06:11 PM
Very cool to see Manchester featured on national TV, but I wish they could have been featured in uniforms that weren't quite so hideous.
Channel surfing... and then I saw the Manchester Butler game.


Who knows, maybe some kid will see Manchester and re-think D-3.  8 Butler points off turnovers.  Butler leads 20-12 with 11:21 in the first.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 10, 2013, 11:46:51 AM
It was cool to see Manchester on TV, but I don't know if seeing them lose that badly helped them with recruiting. 

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 10, 2013, 11:57:28 AM
Play of the game was the kid from Butler trying a half court lob for a dunk that went in for 3.


Thought FOX did an ok job with the broadcast, didn't spend much time explaining D3 or Manchester's place in it though.  Would like to have heard some post-game comments from Manchester's coach or a player, just to hear their thoughts on playing at Hinkle Fieldhouse.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 28, 2013, 08:36:59 AM
DC drops their first game of the year to DI Oakland Griz.  They lost by 21, but still were able to play tough throughout the whole contest.  I was hoping that it was going to be closer, but still happy with how they played and did great on the boards. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2014, 04:26:24 PM
Hoopsville is back on the air tonight and starting the usual twice-a-week format. Tune in to hear from a number of coaches including Defiance's Kyle Brumett.

Show starts at 7 PM EST and Coach Brumett will be in the final thirty minutes of the program.

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Thanks and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 29, 2014, 12:05:02 PM
Well, if anyone passes by and is interested, the standings are:

Team                                          Conf. Losses for top four
Defiance                   8-2   13-4   RHIT at home, at Hanover
Rose-Hulman           8-2   13-4   at Transy, at Hanover
Mount St. Joseph   8-2   11-5   DC at home, at RHIT
Hanover                   7-3   11-6   Franklin at home, at MSJ, at DC
Franklin                   4-6   7-10
Transylvania           4-6   6-11
Anderson                   4-6   4-13
Manchester           3-7   4-13
Bluffton                   2-8   6-11
Earlham                   2-8   3-14
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2014, 04:58:52 PM
It was a crazy week in basketball not only on the court, but off it as well. Pat Coleman joins me to talk about two interesting coaching moves and what the last two weeks of the regular season has in store for everyone.

We also will talk to Rose-Hulman MBB coach Jim Shaw along with the following guests:

- #25 Texas-Tyler WBB coach Kevin Baker
- Castleton State WBB coach Tim Barrett
- #7 Amherst MBB coach Dave Hixon
- Amherst super-fan Mike Wohl (we hope!)
- Baptist Bible MBB coach Mike Show
- #21 Randolph-Macon MBB coach Nathan Davis

Show starts at 7 PM EST and will run at least 2:30 tonight.

You can tune in here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/feb16 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan12)

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Thanks and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 18, 2014, 11:43:22 AM
Congrats to Rose for cracking into the top 25 this week.  They made a big jump from 3 votes to 48!  Hopefully they'll win out and then eventually lose to Defiance in the HCAC tournament final! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 23, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
Using Massey's predictions... here's the odds for winning at each round of the HCAC tourney...

                      QF         SF         Final
1 Rose-Hulman        100%      68.60%      43.96%
                  
4 Mount St. Joseph    90%      30.60%      14.55%
5 Transylvania        10%       0.80%       0.11%
                  

3 Hanover             81%      31.59%      11.25%
6 Franklin            19%       3.42%       0.49%
                  
2 Defiance           100%      64.99%      29.63%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 24, 2014, 01:54:59 PM
I'm not looking forward to whom ever DC has to play in the semi's.  Both Hanover and Franklin have been tough teams for them, so I'm expecting another tough game either way. 
I expect MSJ to top Transy and then for MSJ to give RHIT a hard time in the semis. 
Overall, I think it will be a tough tournament and am hoping the Jackets come out on top. ;D
Thanks for sharing Griz!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 28, 2014, 11:06:01 PM
Well, another epic fail by my jackets :-\  I expected a tough game but not a loss. Oh well, great career for Hicks and hopefully DC will have more than two guys to come off the bench next year and another person that can pick up Hicks's slack.
Good luck to whom ever represents the hcac in the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 05, 2014, 07:50:21 AM
Rose-Hulman will face Wheaton up at Hope at 5:30 on Friday. Conference is 0-4 in the last two tournaments including losses by Rose to Calvin (72-52) last year and to North Central (74-71) in 2012.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: newCCIWfan on June 30, 2014, 09:47:56 PM
Congratulations to Coach Loyd. He will do great at RHIT. http://www.rose-hulman.edu/athletics/basketball-mens/mens-basketball-news/rusty-loyd-promoted-to-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/athletics/basketball-mens/mens-basketball-news/rusty-loyd-promoted-to-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 30, 2014, 03:01:19 AM
Coaches Poll is out. Top 4 from last year are the same, but not in the same order.

1) Hanover (4)                93
2) Mount St. Joseph (2)  86
3) Defiance (2)                83
4) Rose-Hulman (2)        74
5) Transylvania              60
6) Franklin                      43
7) Bluffton                      40
8) Manchester                32
9) Anderson                   25
10) Earlham                   14
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 05, 2014, 12:45:12 PM
Should be interesting to see how it turns out.  The top four are returning a lot of talent from last year.  MSJ impressed me a lot last year and Hanover always has some quality players.  I am also interested to see who can fill Strickland's shoes at Rose. 

In my own personal interest, Defiance lost a first team all HCAC player, Hicks, but returns Edwards (1st team) and Roth (HM).  Plus, Wooley, according to the roster has continued to trim up is 6'9" frame to 245 lbs.  Down from 260 last year and 280 his freshman year.  Hopefully that will lead to some extended minutes because he does a great job on the glass.  Also, Schomaeker returns  and Tietje return as well with plenty of experience.  Finally, I am hoping for either some other veterans to step up and contribute or some of the new Jackets can add to the team too.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2014, 03:26:01 PM
Anybody from Hanover (or elsewhere) know what happened to Tim Bass? He was still listed on the roster last Monday, but is now gone (and did not play in any of HC's games).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on November 28, 2014, 09:54:31 AM
HCAC is 9-23 in non-conference play.  Most of the teams are in action this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 04, 2014, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: Ohigy on November 28, 2014, 09:54:31 AM
HCAC is 9-23 in non-conference play.  Most of the teams are in action this weekend.
Now make that 12-29.  Not an impressive non conference record, but hopefully they do much better during the holiday tournaments.

I am happy with Defiance's first four games.  I know 2-2 is not great, but I feel they played some good competition and showed they are going to be very competitive in conference play. 

MSJ and Hanover fared well too IMO.  MSJ lost to very good Augustana and took a 1 point lead going into half time.  Hanover lost to two very good teams and beat a nationally ranked opponent. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 04, 2014, 06:34:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 04, 2014, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: Ohigy on November 28, 2014, 09:54:31 AM
HCAC is 9-23 in non-conference play.  Most of the teams are in action this weekend.
Now make that 12-29.  Not an impressive non conference record, but hopefully they do much better during the holiday tournaments.

I am happy with Defiance's first four games.  I know 2-2 is not great, but I feel they played some good competition and showed they are going to be very competitive in conference play. 

MSJ and Hanover fared well too IMO.  MSJ lost to very good Augustana and took a 1 point lead going into half time.  Hanover lost to two very good teams and beat a nationally ranked opponent.
Using the records on Massey, the HCAC has a better non-conference record than only the NAC and UMAC... but one of the toughest SoS.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on December 06, 2014, 08:04:58 AM
Where does the "Ohio Conferences" rank?  OAC, NCAC, HCAC etc?

The big HCAC game of the day - Mount St. Joe vs. Defiance.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 07, 2014, 12:15:00 PM
Well Defiance took the W over MSJ yesterday, which is a sigh of relief!  DC needed that one, especially since it was at home and obviously, every conference win is important, especially against the ones that were picked to higher than you on the preseason poll.

I am starting to consider Anderson being the dark horse of the conference.  They already have a W over RHIT and they played Hanover pretty tough too at Hanover.  Also, they played a pretty strong second half against Calvin and DePauw.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 07, 2014, 01:03:21 PM
Also, because I was playing around on Massey's, I put together the following table, which includes: current record, change in ranking, Rating, Power rating, SOS, SSF (SOS including future games, and finally I too Massey's expected W/L (rounding to the whole number and compiled the final record.  If there is an asterisk next to the team, then a game or two excluded because of a holiday tournament.  Also, I ordered the teams by their Rating.

Defiance   4-2   -21   53   49   27   222   18-6*
MSJ           4-2   -25   74   72   43   175   18-7
Hanover   4-2   +9   83   99   35   152   17-8
Bluffton   4-2   +66   174   214   198   156   12-11*
RHIT        2-4   -65   185   141   73   271   14-11
Transy   0-5   -31   252   205   4   216   11-14
Anderson   2-4   +62   279   282   278   258   10-15
Franklin   0-7   -87   333   296   39   180   7-18
Manch.   2-6   -7   356   357   267   280   6-19
Earlham   0-7   -44   396   387   166   171   2-24

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on January 04, 2015, 07:31:58 PM
Updated Standings:
3-1 Defiance
3-1 Mount St. Joseph
3-1 Rose-Hulman
3-1 Hanover
3-1 Anderson
2-2 Bluffton
1-3 Transylvania
1-3 Manchester
1-3 Franklin
0-4 Earlham
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 05, 2015, 12:34:15 PM
According to Massey's DIII Rankings out of 416 DIII teams:

MSJ 52
DC 81
Hanover 113
RHIT 155
Transy 202
Bluffton 221
Anderson 224
Franklin 314
Manchester 383
Earham 404

Also the Heartland according to Massey's is 28th out of 47 DIII conferences. 

I am happy that DC has already played MSJ and Hanover and won, but it will be tough to go on the road and beat both teams twice.  Also, they still have RHIT to play twice as well as Bluffton, who they always have a tough time with too. 
I am also still not overlooking Anderson as they are still taking care of business in conference play and only loss comes to Hanover on the road. 
Regardless of how the conferences standings look at the end of the season, the team that wins the tournament will be the one who gets in the national tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 12, 2015, 12:48:44 PM
Update on Massey's and conference record
MSJ   38       5-1
DC     53      5-1
HC     97      5-1
RHIT 171     4-2
AU    205     4-2
TU    216     2-4
BC    232     2-4
FC    305     2-4
MU   379     1-5
EC   407      0-6
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on February 05, 2015, 02:50:27 PM
Defiance and Mount St. Joe tied at the top with a few weeks left.  This appears to be a one bid league for the NCAA tournament.  Who will win the tournament title?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:41:48 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 12, 2015, 12:31:34 PM
Thank you Dave!  Not surprised to see that there wasn't a HCAC team representing. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2015, 01:06:18 PM
No... conference is down. Wouldn't get ranked in the old Central, I don't think, either. It happens. Going to be an AQ only conference this time around.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 13, 2015, 10:18:53 AM
I feel for Mt. St. Joseph

They went out and put together a decent non-conference schedule of Berry, Augustana, Wilmington, Capital, Albion, Thomas More.  Its not great but just those 6 games is worth a current OWP of .567

Playing in the Heartland Conf has dragged that OWP number down to an un-rankable .462

The primary culprit is Earlham's 0-22  record they have to count.  Against both multipliers that's a .000 and .000.  They get no credit for playing them at all.  Pretty hard to have decent criteria when 9.5% of your current schedule is basically air, and that goes for the whole conference at its multiplied affect on OOWP as well.

Current OWP  .462
w/o Earlham OWP  .511

Earlham is dropping their OWP number down by almost a .050, Mt. St. Joseph is a team that would get a rankings look without those Earlham games and I suspect the same would be true of Defiance.

After the HCAC Tournament I estimate Mt. St. Joeseph's OWP component will be .479, still not rankable.  Take out Earlham and that skyrockets to .529, that's potentially rankable.  This really is a severe punishment for being in a conference with a very bad team.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on February 13, 2015, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: sac on February 13, 2015, 10:18:53 AM
I feel for Mt. St. Joseph

They went out and put together a decent non-conference schedule of Berry, Augustana, Wilmington, Capital, Albion, Thomas More.  Its not great but just those 6 games is worth a current OWP of .567

Playing in the Heartland Conf has dragged that OWP number down to an un-rankable .462

The primary culprit is Earlham's 0-22  record they have to count.  Against both multipliers that's a .000 and .000.  They get no credit for playing them at all.  Pretty hard to have decent criteria when 9.5% of your current schedule is basically air, and that goes for the whole conference at its multiplied affect on OOWP as well.

Current OWP  .462
w/o Earlham OWP  .511

Earlham is dropping their OWP number down by almost a .050, Mt. St. Joseph is a team that would get a rankings look without those Earlham games and I suspect the same would be true of Defiance.

After the HCAC Tournament I estimate Mt. St. Joeseph's OWP component will be .479, still not rankable.  Take out Earlham and that skyrockets to .529, that's potentially rankable.  This really is a severe punishment for being in a conference with a very bad team.
it is possible the RAC will take Earlham into consideration.  MSJ certainly IMHO has a case to make as does the RAC if MSJ close or gets up on the board.  I have not looked at their other numbers or other ranked teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2015, 02:58:59 PM
Well they are taking a lot of teams into consideration, but the bottom ranked teams in the Great Lakes are probably not going to get into the NCAA tournament as at-large teams and if Earlham enters that situation - that means they took another loss. HCAC is getting the AQ and only the AQ this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 13, 2015, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: iwumichigander on February 13, 2015, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: sac on February 13, 2015, 10:18:53 AM
I feel for Mt. St. Joseph

They went out and put together a decent non-conference schedule of Berry, Augustana, Wilmington, Capital, Albion, Thomas More.  Its not great but just those 6 games is worth a current OWP of .567

Playing in the Heartland Conf has dragged that OWP number down to an un-rankable .462

The primary culprit is Earlham's 0-22  record they have to count.  Against both multipliers that's a .000 and .000.  They get no credit for playing them at all.  Pretty hard to have decent criteria when 9.5% of your current schedule is basically air, and that goes for the whole conference at its multiplied affect on OOWP as well.

Current OWP  .462
w/o Earlham OWP  .511

Earlham is dropping their OWP number down by almost a .050, Mt. St. Joseph is a team that would get a rankings look without those Earlham games and I suspect the same would be true of Defiance.

After the HCAC Tournament I estimate Mt. St. Joeseph's OWP component will be .479, still not rankable.  Take out Earlham and that skyrockets to .529, that's potentially rankable.  This really is a severe punishment for being in a conference with a very bad team.
it is possible the RAC will take Earlham into consideration.  MSJ certainly IMHO has a case to make as does the RAC if MSJ close or gets up on the board.  I have not looked at their other numbers or other ranked teams.

No they would not. Trine has the same problem but less severe, about a .020 to .025 impact on their OWP component.

But this will also affect Mt. St. Joeseph's seeding, right now they'll likely be on the road at one of the pod hosts, might have done better without Earlham.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 13, 2015, 06:37:04 PM
Through Wednesday I have Mount St. Joseph at .762/.477. Take out Earlham and they're .737/.511.

Calvin was .737/.516 last week and didn't end up ranked. So MSJ would be close, but still out of the picture, and certainly not looking great for Pool C consideration regardless. The 0-1 vRRO that will get added in (Augustana) isn't going to help out much either.

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 13, 2015, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 13, 2015, 06:37:04 PM
Through Wednesday I have Mount St. Joseph at .762/.477. Take out Earlham and they're .737/.511.

Calvin was .737/.516 last week and didn't end up ranked. So MSJ would be close, but still out of the picture, and certainly not looking great for Pool C consideration regardless. The 0-1 vRRO that will get added in (Augustana) isn't going to help out much either.

If you get the time, play around with OOWP and how Earlham's 0-22 is affecting the whole conference.  8 opponents of Mt. Joseph have to count two games as .000, that has to be very punishing.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 13, 2015, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: sac on February 13, 2015, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 13, 2015, 06:37:04 PM
Through Wednesday I have Mount St. Joseph at .762/.477. Take out Earlham and they're .737/.511.

Calvin was .737/.516 last week and didn't end up ranked. So MSJ would be close, but still out of the picture, and certainly not looking great for Pool C consideration regardless. The 0-1 vRRO that will get added in (Augustana) isn't going to help out much either.

If you get the time, play around with OOWP and how Earlham's 0-22 is affecting the whole conference.  8 opponents of Mt. Joseph have to count two games as .000, that has to be very punishing.

OK, so I wiped out all of Earlham's conference games.

Mount St. Joseph ends up looking: .737/.496. So better than .762/.477 probably, but not all that clearly so.

They lose Earlham's bad component OWP and some bad OOWP components from conference members, but they lose 2-0 x2 (or 1-0 in a few cases) in the OWP column from each conference opponent who has beaten them.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 13, 2015, 07:33:07 PM
Thanks, I wondered after I posted if it might be counter intuitive to OOWP to drop Earlham.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2015, 08:51:57 AM
Three games left in the season... three big questions to answer in the next couple of weeks...
1) Who will miss the tournament out of Rose, Transy, Hanover and Bluffton... still some games left amongst them
2) Who will win the tournament and represent the HCAC
3) Will Earlham win a game... last chance might be today. Massey gives them a 26% chance vs Franklin
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 15, 2015, 08:47:56 AM
1. I give Rose, Bluffton, and Transy the nod.  Hanover will be the one to fall short.
2. I'm hoping for Defiance, but right now MSJ has all the cards in their deck....for now!
3. Earlham did it!  Their losing streak comes to an end in a close game!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2015, 01:35:15 PM
If I have the tiebreakers correct, I believe this is how the seeding would be based on the results of the final games. Apparently the Anderson-Earlham game has no influence on the seeds.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FH5Pl2no.png&hash=c2bea363e950be08cafea326e58f44929459985b)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2015, 06:01:16 PM
In the pre-tournament elimination game down in Kentucky... Bluffton led by 8 with just 3:30 to go but Transy tied it up with a minute left. Back and forth in the final minute, Transylvania with a basket with just 4.3 left to tie the game again and send it to OT.

Edit: Transy took a 1 point lead in OT, but Bluffton with three straight 3s and it's 80-72 with 1 minute left
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2015, 06:27:14 PM
Beavers pull away and win in OT 86-76.

MSJ/Defiance #1/2
Anderson is #3
Rose-Hulman is #4
Hanover is #5
Bluffton is #6

If MSJ wins or Defiance loses then MSJ is #1 and Defiance #2. If MSJ loses and Defiance wins they tie for 1st. They split, they both went 2-0 vs Anderson, Defiance swept Rose while MSJ will have lost meaning Defiance is #1, MSJ #2

If Rose loses, there's a three way tie for 4th... Rose went 3-1, Bluffton 2-2, Hanover 1-3. That gives Rose 4th. Then the two way tie is decided as below.
If Rose wins, there's a two way tie for 5th... Bluffton and Hanover split... both went 0-2 vs MSJ, both split 1-1 vs Defiance, but Hanover got a win over Anderson.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 22, 2015, 09:57:11 AM
You went above and beyond FCGrizzliesGrad, above and beyond!!!  Thank you!  +1 to you!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2015, 04:50:20 PM
Rose-Hulman beats MSJ 68-60. Defiance currently up 42-23 on Franklin at halftime. Looking like Defiance will take the top seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 22, 2015, 05:51:11 PM
Defiance does close out Franklin and take the #1 seed! 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 24, 2015, 09:23:02 AM
Using Massey I calculated the percentages for advancing in the tournament... not surprisingly Defiance gets a good boost by hosting. Almost a 2 in 3 chance that the final will be Defiance vs MSJ.


1   Defiance          100%      85.47%      64.40%
                 
4   Rose-Hulman        53%       7.95%       2.99%
5   Hanover            47%       6.58%       2.29%
                 
3   Anderson           52%      12.74%       2.00%
6   Bluffton           48%      10.80%       1.56%
                 
2   Mount St. Joseph  100%      76.46%      26.77%
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 28, 2015, 08:07:41 AM
As FCGrizzliesGrad showed, the first round of the conference tournament projected close games.  Bluffton and Anderson went to OT with Bluffton coming out on top, and RHIT tried a second have push to fall by 2 points to Hanover.  I have to say, I am a big fan of Massey! 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2015, 08:41:20 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 28, 2015, 08:07:41 AM
As FCGrizzliesGrad showed, the first round of the conference tournament projected close games.  Bluffton and Anderson went to OT with Bluffton coming out on top, and RHIT tried a second have push to fall by 2 points to Hanover.  I have to say, I am a big fan of Massey!
I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact Defiance are quite favored to win ;)

Lower seeds won both quarterfinals... going to be a tough task for either to repeat that today. Hanover did get a split with Defiance this year though, while MSJ swept Bluffton.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 28, 2015, 09:11:10 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2015, 08:41:20 AM
... while MSJ swept Bluffton.
As the Bluffton rep on this board (even if I don't chime in often), I feel obliged to point out Thayne Recker missed one game this season because of an injury ... when Bluffton hosted MSJ.  When Bluffton went to MSJ, the Lions needed a trey with 8 seconds left to take the win.

That being said, the Beavers will have to turn around quickly from playing overtime last night, which is a definite disadvantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
Defiance with a 65-50 win. We'll have an all Ohio final tomorrow.
Bluffton continuing to play in tight games for their season... up 47-46 with under 7 minutes left. Beavers had to win in OT at Transy just to make the tournament, then won in OT against Anderson to advance to the semis. What are the chances this game goes into OT?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2015, 09:03:10 PM
Bluffton wins 64-52.
Beavers were at one point 8-10 this season then won 6 of 7 to end the season including what was essentially the play-in game at Transy. Two more wins in the tourney and now they're just one game from the NCAA tournament.
Beavers and Jackets split this season... should be a good game tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 01, 2015, 01:12:16 PM
This will be the 195 time Defiance and Bluffton face off.  Not bad for two schools that are approximately 50 miles apart from each other!   
Since the 2006-07 season, Defiance leads 10-8.  This is the first time the two will face of in the conference tournament!  I expect a big crowd and a tough and close game played today at Defiance! 
Bluffton has done a great job to beat Defiance in big games.  Hopefully, Defiance is focused and plays aggressive and shoots well, and shuts down Recker!  That beast is averaging 26.5 pts and 12.5 rebs a game in two games vs. Defiance this season. 
I look forward to watching a great game and watching Defiance cut down the nets at the end! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 01, 2015, 03:44:25 PM
Congrats to Defiance for winning the regular season HCAC championship (sharing with MSJ) and winning the HCAC tournament.  Looking forward to seeing who the Jackets will face in the DIII Big Dance!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madison on March 03, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
Congratulations to 2004 Hanover graduate Thad McCracken. Now the head coach at Hendrix College, Thad guided his Warrior team to the school's first NCAA appearance in nearly 20 years, beating the conference #3, #2 and #1 seeds in succession winning the SAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 04, 2015, 04:01:56 PM
All-HCAC basketball selections:

http://heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/3_3_mbb_all_hcac
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 06, 2015, 10:25:03 PM
HUGE win for the Jackets!!! Beating the defending champs!  Congrats and on to the next round!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 06, 2015, 10:25:55 PM
I'm sure a certain someone is quite ecstatic... Defiance goes into Whitewater and beats the #2 ranked team 83-71. Be honest dc, even you had UWW advancing on your bracket ;) Now do it again tomorrow Jackets :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on March 06, 2015, 10:28:30 PM
Tremendous result.  Don't think for a second that this Wabash fan didn't have an eye on that game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 06, 2015, 10:30:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 06, 2015, 10:25:55 PM
I'm sure a certain someone is quite ecstatic... Defiance goes into Whitewater and beats the #2 ranked team 83-71. Be honest dc, even you had UWW advancing on your bracket ;) Now do it again tomorrow Jackets :)
You are soooooooo very right Griz!  I wasn't expecting this, and do feel guilty, but still happy about this win!  Huge for Defiance and huge for the HCAC!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 08, 2015, 12:02:26 PM
Great season Jackets!  Fought hard last night against another great team!  Looking forward to see who steps up and fills several pairs of sneakers next season to defend the HCAC championship. 
Now it's to spring sports!  Go Jackets!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 30, 2015, 11:37:34 AM
Defiance has a new head coach, and it's a familiar face. (http://www.defianceathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2015-16/4076/dc-hires-scott-cutter-as-head-mens-basketball-coach/)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2015, 01:47:20 AM
Coaches Poll is out.

1) Mount St. Joseph (7)  97
2) Rose-Hulman (2)        90
3) Hanover                     73
4) Transylvania              70
5) Bluffton                      64
6) Defiance (1)               45
7) Anderson                    42
8) Franklin                      38
9) Manchester                29
10) Earlham                    12
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2015, 10:32:26 AM
RIP Jim Shaw. He was a good man who I enjoyed seeing almost every year in Salem. I am so glad I took the time to chat with him last year. He always had a smile on his face. He will be missed: http://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20151110ebut8a (http://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20151110ebut8a)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:40:38 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:56:54 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:14:59 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 31, 2016, 09:45:38 PM
Wow we had a lot of chatter in here last season. 4 posts by Dave

Coaches Poll is out
1) Mount St. Joseph (6)   93
2) Transylvania (1)          74
3) Hanover (1)                 73
4) Manchester (1)            66
5) Rose-Hulman              60
6) Anderson                    54
7) Defiance (1)                53
8) Franklin                       37
9) Bluffton                       23
10) Earlham                     17
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on November 01, 2016, 10:25:36 AM
My initial thoughts is that Anderson is probably to low and Hanover is to high. Time of course will tell but Anderson was a pretty darn good basketball team last year that couldn't put it together every night on a consistent basis. They return all 5 starters. Surprised to see the fall off on Defiance. I think they drop off but I am not sure they slip THAT far. Probably a middle of the pack team. Should be another fun year in the HCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 07, 2017, 07:38:59 PM
Cooper Theobald was fouled a couple times in Transy's 2OT win at Defiance... he went 29 of 32 from the line which as far as I can tell are both season highs in D3 this year. ???
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2017, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 07, 2017, 07:38:59 PM
Cooper Theobald was fouled a couple times in Transy's 2OT win at Defiance... he went 29 of 32 from the line which as far as I can tell are both season highs in D3 this year. ???

The 32 is an all-time D3 record that's stood since 1999.  I'm pretty sure 29 is the season high, but the NCAA stats page is a little buggy right now, so I can't confirm.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2017, 04:39:10 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 10, 2017, 05:13:26 AM
For the first time in the d3h era, the HCAC is still alive past the 2nd round. Hanover probably should be hosting the pod but Wartburg is 65 miles too far to drive so instead they'll have to take on the home team Hope to keep the season going.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on March 10, 2017, 08:01:35 AM
Great year for the HCAC and I'd also like to point my first post at the top of this page was dead wrong. Hanover had a ton of question marks before the year started (Coach Miller admitted the same) but they've come together and put together a special year. All the best to the Panthers this weekend as they look to continue on in the tournament at Hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 11, 2017, 01:41:57 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 10, 2017, 10:17:01 PM
Any video of McKinney's buzzer beater?

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2017/03/10/hanover-advances-d-iii-tourney-mckinneys-buzzer-beater/99040124/

Kind of amusing how McKinney's teammates react. He hits the game winner and none of them run over to McKinney in the corner.  ???  ;D  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 11, 2017, 06:55:37 PM
Yeah! They all ran away from him! No one said anything to him until one of his teammates punched him playfully in the hand shake line. I think they were shocked themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 13, 2017, 02:18:40 AM
Looking through some stats... found some good ones.
The HCAC was #1 in FG% (46.79%, MIAC next at 46.67%) and FT% (72.47, WIAC next at 72.09%) while they were #4 in 3pt% (36.41% and everyone ahead is nearby with WIAC 37.52, MIAA 37.02, OAC 36.65)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2017, 06:42:20 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 19, 2018, 09:15:32 PM
Dead here in the hcac? Where is everyone? Nice win for the Panthers this week on msj floor. Tightens the league up a bit for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 20, 2018, 03:30:47 AM
It's usually pretty quiet around here. Generally less than a page of posts a year.

It's a nice 4 team battle at the halfway mark of conference play, MSJ, Transy, Hanover, and even Rose lurking there with wins over both Pioneers and Panthers.
Franklin sits just a game out of the last conference tournament spot which Anderson occupies. Didn't think the Ravens would struggle this much.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2018, 05:14:23 AM
Such a good basketball conference to attract so little interest on this page.... a shame for the kids who play.... :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shouldbeworking on January 22, 2018, 10:31:50 AM
Gets serious Wednesday with Rose @ MSJ and Transy @ Hanover.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: newCCIWfan on January 25, 2018, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: Shouldbeworking on January 22, 2018, 10:31:50 AM
Gets serious Wednesday with Rose @ MSJ and Transy @ Hanover.

Two interesting games last night!!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shouldbeworking on January 25, 2018, 02:25:54 PM

Two interesting games last night!!
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Expected a duel between Rose's size and MSJ's speed, stats seem to bear that out.  Any eyewitness reports?

Probably said and heard all I need to about Transy/Hanover on the long drive home.  ;)

Off to Terre Haute Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on January 26, 2018, 08:40:52 AM
Hanover with 6 straight Ws... including blowing out MSJ on the road and whipping Transy at home Wednesday by almost 40. It's clear HC is playing their best ball of the season... dare I say they are playing better now than we even saw last year? It's gonna be an interesting race down the stretch in the HCAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2018, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: hotdawg on January 26, 2018, 08:40:52 AM
Hanover with 6 straight Ws... including blowing out MSJ on the road and whipping Transy at home Wednesday by almost 40. It's clear HC is playing their best ball of the season... dare I say they are playing better now than we even saw last year? It's gonna be an interesting race down the stretch in the HCAC!

Their have some great wins in their against the other top dogs in the HCAC. Too bad they stumbled right away, taking most chances of their Pool C bid away.

I was going to ask who everyone think has the best shot to take the regular season championship at this point in the season? I think I have to go Hanover, but don't feel great about. What do the elite HCAC minds have to say?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 27, 2018, 11:39:38 AM
At this point I have no idea. Any of the top 4 is capable of beating one another. If you had asked a couple weeks ago I'd have said MSJ, Transy, Hanover, Rose in that order.
Rose: 3-1; Hanover 2-2; MSJ: 2-2; Transy: 1-3
12/6 Hanover @ Transy 95-81
12/6 MSJ @ Rose 84-68
12/9 Rose @ Transy 81-75
1/3 Rose @ Hanover 71-69
1/10 MSJ @ Transy 73-64
1/17 Hanover @ MSJ 64-41
1/24 Transy @ Hanover 93-56
1/24 Rose @ MSJ 66-61

The only loss not to each other
1/13 Bluffton @ Rose 73-70
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
Of course the team with the best record against the "Big Four," Rose, is the only team to take a loss from the lower tier of teams. Just seems to be that kind of a year. A step down from the IIAC and WIAC, but the HCAC will be a fun conference race to watch dow the stretch, as Hanover last year showed one of these tams can do some damage in the NCAA tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on January 27, 2018, 03:06:16 PM
1) Hanover, 2) MSJ, 3) Transy, 4) Rose
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 27, 2018, 05:26:09 PM
Day of exciting games in the HCAC...
Hanover with a last second basket to beat Bluffton by 1
MSJ hits a 3 with 10 seconds left to beat Manchester by 1
Rose holds on to beat Transy by 1
Earlham with a "blowout" of Anderson by 7
Franklin leads Defiance mid 2nd half by 8
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 27, 2018, 06:02:34 PM
Rose-Hulman has impressed me the most this season. They had a disastrous start to the year and here they are in the thick of the title race. They easily could have hung their heads early, but used the switch over to conference play as a blank slate and here they are.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 31, 2018, 09:24:48 PM
Bluffton upsets MSJ 66-64
Rose completes the season sweep of Hanover 68-66 in OT and takes sole possession of 1st place
Manchester outlasts Franklin 98-96.
Transy and Anderson with blowouts of Earlham and Defiance

Rose is now 11-2 and has a 1 game lead over Hanover and MSJ, Transy is a further game back
Bluffton alone in 5th at 6-7 with Anderson and Franklin tied for the last tourney spot a game behind.
Earlham, Manchester, Defiance round out the list with 4, 3, and 2 wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 06, 2018, 11:06:00 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/greatlakes/2017-18/hcac-rivals-alopecia

Fun article! Hoping they both have a great time before, during and after the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:44:49 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 07, 2018, 11:41:47 PM
Just when you think things are starting to sort themselves out... Franklin knocks off RHIT and we're back to a three way tie for first with Rose, Mount, and Hanover all 12-3 in conference play.
Franklin has really started to come together as the year has progressed. Lots of underclassmen that will be around for a while so they could be a threat in a year or two.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 10, 2018, 06:26:08 PM
Two games left in the regular season and there's a 3 way tie for both 1st and 5th.

Rose-Hulman 2-0 Hanover
Mount St Joseph 1-1 Rose-Hulman
Hanover 1-0 Mount St Joseph (play Wed @ Hanover)

Transylvania most likely will get the 4 seed but not locked in yet.

Franklin 2-0 Anderson
Anderson 2-0 Bluffton
Bluffton 1-0 Franklin (play Sat @ Bluffton)

Earlham, Manchester and Defiance have been eliminated from top 6 contention.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:04:22 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2018, 10:21:14 PM
MSJ beats Hanover by 2 coupled with Rose losing to Anderson gives Mount the simple scenario of win on Saturday @ Earlham and lock up the 1 seed.
Hanover and Rose-Hulman both 1 game back but the top 3 are facing the bottom 3 in the standings so in theory nothing should change at the top.

Anderson's upset of Rose coupled with losses by Bluffton and Franklin mean the Ravens will be in the conference tournament while Saturday's Franklin @ Bluffton game becomes a play-in game.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 17, 2018, 04:54:14 PM
Drama in Richmond as the Quakers complete a 3 point play to tie MSJ with 21 seconds left. MSJ led 61-50 with 5 minutes left but Earlham on a 16-5 run. No luck for the Lions with the final shot and they're headed to OT.
Mount is playing for the top seed in the HCAC tournament while Earlham is guaranteed to miss the tournament but can match their best conference win (6) and total wins (8) in over a decade from the 06-07 season when they were in the NCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 17, 2018, 05:11:49 PM
Earlham drives and gets the layup to take a 1 point lead with 5.7 on the clock. The buzzer beater doesn't go and nobody seems to want to win the conference.
Hanover beat Defiance to join MSJ as co-champions
Rose-Hulman just starting at Manchester and if they win I believe they end up as the 1 seed.

In the "play-in" game, Bluffton led Franklin by 12 at halftime and have pushed the lead to 17 with 13 minutes left.

Anderson leads Transy in the 2nd half which if that holds they'll meet again in the quarterfinals.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 17, 2018, 05:12:19 PM
Earlham stuns MSJ in OT.

MSJ and Hanover have a share of the title and we await to see if Rose-Hulman can make it a trio.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 17, 2018, 08:52:42 PM
Looks like it's Rose-Hulman who get the 1 seed and will host the semis and finals. MSJ gets the other bye. Quarterfinal games on Tuesday are #6 Bluffton @ #3 Hanover and #5 Anderson @ #4 Transylvania.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2018, 11:15:40 PM
Anderson is starting to look like the potential contender we thought they'd be before the season. Last 3 games are wins @ Rose, @ Transy, and @ Transy again in the conference quarterfinals. Another matchup with Rose awaits them now.
Hanover handles Defiance and will meet MSJ in the other semifinal.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:44:48 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 24, 2018, 07:36:35 PM
After a bit of a shaky start falling from preseason #4 to an 8-4 record just after New Years, Hanover will represent the HCAC again finishing the season on a 14-2 stretch with their only losses by 2 and by 2 in OT.
Hopefully they'll do the HCAC proud again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2018, 08:02:12 AM

I'll have to look at the full bracket picture tonight, but right now, I like Hanover in the Emory pod.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:28:19 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 02, 2018, 10:22:55 AM
There's never much going on around here and certainly not during the offseason. So here's part 1 of my way too early predictions for the HCAC in the 2018-19 season.

1) Rose-Hulman: Coming off a 17-10 season and a share of the HCAC title, the Engineers bring back their top 6 scorers including Great Lakes RotY Craig McGee and 2nd team All-HCAC Charlie Aimone. They're looking to get back into the Big Dance for the first time since 2014.

2) Transylvania: Very similar to RHIT. Coming off a 17-9 season but 4th in conference, the Pioneers also bring back their top 6 scorers including 3 from the Honorable Mentions All-HCAC (Gullett, Schmitt, Theobald). Their last trip to the tournament was in 2013

3) Hanover: Co-champs with a 22-7 record and tournament appearance, the Panthers couldn't repeat their Elite 8 run from 2017. They'll have some new faces next year as Great Lakes 3rd teamer Wes McKinney graduates along with a pair of regular starters. They do return HCAC PotY and 3rd team All-American Cam Fails as well as All-HCAC Honorable Mention Nick White
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 02, 2018, 12:48:42 PM
Part 2 of my eay too early predictions... the midpack.

4) Anderson: After a disappointing 2017 where they finished 15-12 and 5th in the conference, the Ravens showed signs of promise at the end of the season. They must replace All-HCAC 1st team Trevor Lucas but they return 5 players who started at least 10 games. Their last trip to the NCAA Tournament was in 2010.

5) Franklin: Franklin finished 7th at 8-17, their best season since 2014. They lose HCAC 2nd team John Beineke but return everyone else from a team that had just 1 senior and 1 junior on the roster including HCAC Honorable Mention Kale Morris. Maybe not a threat to win the HCAC next year but watch out in 2020.

6) Mount St. Joseph: The Lions have a tough challenge to match their 17-9 record and share of the conference crown. They graduate 5 of their top 7 players including HCAC 1st teamers Erik Edwards and Andrew Findley while 2nd team All-HCAC Adam Goetz returns. They made the NCAA tournament two years ago in 2016.

7) Bluffton: Bluffton took the last spot in the conference tournament with an 11-15 record extending their streak of finishing between 10 and 16 wins to 8 straight seasons. The Beavers will lose 2nd team All-HCAC Kevin Chrstie and fellow starter Andrew Hunter. All-HCAC Honorable Mention Andrew Renner will return to fight for a spot in the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 02, 2018, 01:15:32 PM
And finally, part 3 of my way too early predictions... the cellar.

8) Earlham: Earlham had their best season as a member of the HCAC finishing 8-17 and 8th in conference. The Quakers will lose HCAC Honorable Mention Elijah Wilson-Thomas but bring virtually everyone else back. They've struggled for so long but are trending in the right direction the past couple years. Hopefully they can continue to build and make their way up to at least middle of the pack.

9) Defiance: Defiance lost their last 18 games en route to a 3-22 season. The good news is the Yellow Jackets graduate just 1 senior who started only 6 games. But they're a long way from 2015 when they pulled off one of the biggest upsets in D3 tournament history.

10) Manchester: The Spartans went 6-19 which continues their struggles since 2011 when they went 22-7 and made a trip to the NCAA tournament They lose three of their best players (Becirevic, Doss, Kirby) but will return 2nd team All-HCAC Adrian Johnson.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 02, 2018, 06:22:39 PM
Interesting thoughts, Griz. Thanks for posting them.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on October 26, 2018, 06:34:18 AM
Note for all of you HCAC lurkers (nobody has posted in 6 months)

TONIGHT... Friday Oct 26...   

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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on October 26, 2018, 08:33:07 AM
It looks like FCGrizzliesGrad's too early predictions nearly matched the Coaches Preseason Poll. The coaches flipped MSJ & Franklin listing MSJ:#5 & Franklin:#6

Also of note, Nick White will not be back for Hanover ... that leaves The Panthers with Reigning HCAC POY Cam Fails as the only fulltime returning starter. I assume Isaac Hibbard (part-time starter last year) will become the #2 scoring threat for Hanover this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2018, 08:36:53 AM
The coaches poll looks very similar to my predictions from 6 months ago...

1) Rose-Hulman       96 (7)
2) Transylvania        86 (1)
3) Hanover               80 (2)
4) Anderson             62
5) Mount St. Joseph 61
6) Franklin               50
7) Bluffton               39
8) Earlham               36
T9) Defiance             20
T9) Manchester        20
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 09, 2018, 09:59:53 AM
Early into conference play and it's a cluster at the top.
6 teams (Anderson, Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Rose-Hulman, Transylvania) all sit at 2-1.
Earlham, Manchester and Mount St Joseph are on the board at 1-2.
Then there's Defiance who currently have the 3rd longest losing streak in D3 (Curry, Clarks Summit) at 25 games, their last win coming on this date 1 year ago when they beat Franklin 76-72.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 18, 2018, 04:35:18 PM
Defiance end their 26 game losing streak with a last second win at Spalding 73-72.
Spalding was up 1 with 6.0 left and at the line for a one and one... missed the front end, Defiance got the rebound and ran the length of the court for a layup with less than a second left.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 06, 2019, 07:23:12 AM
1/3 of the way through conference play and there's a split between the top half and bottom half.

Transylvania and Rose-Hulman both at 5-1 with the Pioneers having a H2H win.
Bluffton, Hanover, and Anderson all a game behind at 4-2. Andrew Renner of the Beavers perhaps the early leader for HCAC PotY, Cam Fails for the Panthers also in the running.

Earlham, Franklin, Manchester, and Mount St Joseph all sit at 2-4 and tied for the last tournament spot. Plenty of time for any of these teams to get hot.
Defiance rounds things up at 0-6 but they did pick up a couple wins in December to end their losing streak. Only one of their conference losses has been by more than 10 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 06, 2019, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 06, 2019, 07:23:12 AM
1/3 of the way through conference play and there's a split between the top half and bottom half.

Transylvania and Rose-Hulman both at 5-1 with the Pioneers having a H2H win.
Bluffton, Hanover, and Anderson all a game behind at 4-2. Andrew Renner of the Beavers perhaps the early leader for HCAC PotY, Cam Fails for the Panthers also in the running.

Earlham, Franklin, Manchester, and Mount St Joseph all sit at 2-4 and tied for the last tournament spot. Plenty of time for any of these teams to get hot.
Defiance rounds things up at 0-6 but they did pick up a couple wins in December to end their losing streak. Only one of their conference losses has been by more than 10 points.

The cream seems to be rising to the top a bit in Hulman and Transy...those were the preseason #1 and #2. Been super impressed with Bluffton so far this year, and if you dig into their roster a bit...Coach Neal may have something built for the future as well. 3 of the starting 5 are sophomores and freshman and Renner will be around again next year. If they can't finish up top this year, they'll certainly be in the conversation next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2019, 09:15:59 AM
Big game tonight in Manchester between the Spartans and Quakers. Winner improves to 6-6 in conference and tied with Anderson for 5th place. Earlham took the first meeting 86-62 and a win would put them in a great position to make the conference tournament for the first time.

At the 2/3 mark:
Hanover (10-2), Rose (9-3), Bluffton (8-4), and Transy (8-4) all look pretty solid to be in the tournament, just a matter of who will get the byes.
Anderson (6-6) and tonight's winner (6-6) will have control of their fates.
Tonight's loser (5-7), MSJ (4-8), and Franklin (4-8) all still in the hunt.
Defiance (0-12) is just about mathematically eliminated from contention.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:47:12 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:18:18 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 09, 2019, 08:13:14 PM
Final week before the conference tournament. Still plenty to play for.
Hanover should lock up #1.
Transy and Rose both have winnable games but not easy games. 2nd seed gets a bye while the 3rd seed could have a challenge waiting for them
Bluffton and Anderson look like they're headed for the 4/5 matchup and will probably be hosted by the Beavers.
Franklin has been good lately, winning 5 of their last 6 and been competitive in just about every game since the holidays. I think the Grizzlies get in, but an upset somewhere could change things. Earlham has the easiest schedule remaining. Conceivable that 7-11 could make the tournament.


Battle for the two byes
Hanover (13-3) finish @ MSJ and @ Defiance which are two games they should win. They swept Transy and split with RHIT.
Transylvania (12-4) finish @ Franklin and @ Anderson. Two games that they probably should win, but will not have it easy. They swept RHIT.
Rose-Hulman (12-4) finish @ Anderson and vs Manchester.

In the tournament
Bluffton (10-6) finish vs Manchester and @ Franklin. They were swept by Anderson
Anderson (9-7) finish vs RHIT and vs Transy. Ravens have the tiebreaker over Bluffton but it's hard to see how they'll catch Bluffton based on schedules.

Last team in
Franklin (7-9) vs Transy and vs Bluffton. Split with Manchester.
Manchester (6-10) @ Bluffton and @ RHIT.
Mount St Joseph (5-11) vs Hanover and vs Earlham.
Earlham (5-11) @ Defiance vs MSJ

Also participating
Defiance (1-15)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:25:28 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2019, 09:25:57 PM
Not a good night for the top 3 teams
MSJ knocks off Hanover by 2
Anderson beats Rose-Hulman by 10
Franklin hits the century mark for the first time this season and blitzes Transylvania 101-81

With Franklin's win and Manchester's loss to Bluffton, the tournament field is set. With Anderson's win, Franklin is locked in as the 6 seed, top 5 seeds will be set Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2019, 09:29:22 PM
1)  Hanover (14-4)
2) Transylvania (13-3)
3) Rose-Hulman (13-3)
4) Bluffton (11-7)
5) Anderson (10-7)
6) Franklin (9-9)

Friday
5 Anderson vs 4 Bluffton (Anderson won 69-61 and 56-49)
6 Franklin vs 3 Rose-Hulman (Rose won 74-71 in OT and 67-65)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2019, 09:48:10 PM
At the halfway point in conference play with everyone having played each other once, the standings looked like this:
Hanover (7-2)
Transylvania (7-2)
Rose-Hulman (7-2)
Bluffton (6-3)
Anderson (5-4)
Earlham (4-5)
Mount St Joseph (4-5)
Manchester (3-6)
Franklin (2-7)
Defiance (0-9)

The second half of conference play went like this:
Franklin (7-2)
Hanover (7-2)
Transylvania (6-3)
Rose-Hulman (6-3)
Bluffton (5-4)
Anderson (5-4)
Earlham (3-6)
Manchester (3-6)
Mount St Joseph (2-7)
Defiance (1-8)

2nd half change:
+5 Franklin
+1 Defiance
0 Hanover, Anderson, Manchester
-1 Transy, Rose, Bluffton, Earlham
-2 MSJ
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:40:32 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 23, 2019, 01:27:41 AM
Late to the party as most conferences had already started earlier in the week, but the HCAC finally gets their tournament underway.

4th seed Bluffton with a fairly easy win over #5 Anderson 79-68. Beavers led by as much as 21 in the 2nd half. They'll take on top seed and hosts Hanover. They split the regular season with Bluffton winning by 3 at home in December and Hanover winning by 23 at home a month ago.

6 seeded Franklin pulls out the upset against #3 Rose-Hulman 88-87 in double OT to avenge their only loss in the previous 8 games. Engineers led by as much as 10 in the 2nd half but Grizzlies got a layup with 11 seconds left in regulation to tie the game and hit two free throws with 5 seconds left in OT to tie it again. Franklin will face second seed Transylvania who they split with. Transy won by 4 at home January 16th while Franklin won by 20 just 10 days ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2019, 02:54:10 PM
Just tuned into Hanover-Transy    Conference final... there may be 30 people in the stands that face the camera.... pitiful

compare to the unheard-ofs out in the midwest... Yeshiva-Farmingdale St... Skyline...FULL HOUSE, super atmosphere..

pretty sad for the HCAC... maybe they should have brought in Ohio Midwestern to attract more attendance....

ok Dave, I'm sorry... had to put in one last shot...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2019, 02:11:29 PM
To be fair, Hanover (1004) has less than a quarter the students of Farmingdale (4455) where the Skyline game was played and the turnout looks similar with Hanover having a little over a quarter the attendance (315 at Hanover vs 1132 at Farmingdale). Plus Yeshiva is only 35 miles away while Transy is 99.

I'd have loved for the place to be packed but that's just not going to happen in the HCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2019, 02:14:24 PM
Hanover will face Wheaton (IL) on Friday with the game being at Wooster. Here's my quick gameplan for the Panthers... triple team Aston Francis the entire game and make someone else beat you.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hotdawg on February 25, 2019, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2019, 02:11:29 PM
To be fair, Hanover (1004) has less than a quarter the students of Farmingdale (4455) where the Skyline game was played and the turnout looks similar with Hanover having a little over a quarter the attendance (315 at Hanover vs 1132 at Farmingdale). Plus Yeshiva is only 35 miles away while Transy is 99.

I'd have loved for the place to be packed but that's just not going to happen in the HCAC.

Also of note, Hanover's students were gone from Campus. The side behind the benches was pretty packed and very loud... atmosphere was much better than I am sure it seemed from the view of the video broadcast. I agree, certainly wish it drew a bigger crowd but that doesn't take away from what was a great game IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2019, 04:34:03 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2019, 02:11:29 PM
To be fair, Hanover (1004) has less than a quarter the students of Farmingdale (4455) where the Skyline game was played and the turnout looks similar with Hanover having a little over a quarter the attendance (315 at Hanover vs 1132 at Farmingdale). Plus Yeshiva is only 35 miles away while Transy is 99.

I'd have loved for the place to be packed but that's just not going to happen in the HCAC.

Yeshiva travels really well.  They absolutely outnumbered the Farmingdale folks Sunday.  Heck, they were about 80% the size of the York crowd at York for the NCAA first round last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 01, 2019, 06:14:11 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2019, 02:14:24 PM
Hanover will face Wheaton (IL) on Friday with the game being at Wooster. Here's my quick gameplan for the Panthers... triple team Aston Francis the entire game and make someone else beat you.
Clearly Hanover didn't take my advice as Francis is 10 of 17 from the field for 25 points at halftime while the rest of Wheaton is 8 of 18 for 20 points. Panthers are 8 of 30 for 27 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2019, 09:51:29 PM
Only one player made the All Region team (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2018-19/index)... however Cam Fails not only made 1st team all-Great Lakes but was PotY as well.

HCAC awards (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190227k05uzf)
Most Outstanding Player: Cam Fails, Hanover College
Defensive Player of the Year: Dezman Brown, Bluffton University
Freshman of the Year: Devin Young, Mount St. Joseph University
Coach of the Year: Jon Miller, Hanover College

1st Team All-HCAC:
Cole Hartman, Anderson, Sr., F
Cam Fails, Hanover, Sr., G
Adrian Johnson, Manchester, Sr., G
Charlie Aimone, Rose-Hulman, Sr., F
Craig McGee, Rose-Hulman, So., G
Michael Jefferson, Transylvania, So., G

2nd Team All-HCAC:
Maurice Knight, Anderson, So., F
Andrew Renner, Bluffton, Jr., G
Kale Morris, Franklin, Jr., G
Isaac Hibbard, Hanover, So., G
Jake Cropper, Mount St. Joseph
Gabe Schmitt, Transylvania, Jr., G

Honorable Mention All-HCAC:
Dezman Brown, Bluffton, So., G
Isaiah Taylor, Bluffton, Jr., C
Jamel Barnes, Earlham, So., G
Darrell Hutchison Jr., Earlham, Sr., G/F
Sam Gutierrez, Franklin, So., G
Kevin Williams, Hanover, Jr., F
Devin Young, Mount St. Joseph, Fr., F
Cooper Theobald, Transylvania, Sr., G
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 29, 2019, 10:46:43 AM
With Hanover losing Fails and RHU losing Aimone, does Transylvania vhave enough to make a run returning everyone?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 29, 2019, 04:14:45 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 29, 2019, 10:46:43 AM
With Hanover losing Fails and RHU losing Aimone, does Transylvania vhave enough to make a run returning everyone?
Franklin should also be a contender, they were one of the best teams towards the end of the season and had no seniors on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 27, 2019, 11:02:33 AM
Manchester just got a new coach a couple weeks ago... rather close to the start of the season. The Spartans were 9-16, 6-12 HCAC and finished tied for 8th last year.
Nate Conley (https://www.muspartans.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20191010irtqr4) previously was on the Ohio Wesleyan sidelines.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 30, 2019, 02:00:20 PM
Coaches Poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20191022h42xwv) is out for the 2019-20 season

1) Transylvania        95 (6)
2) Hanover               83 (1)
3) Rose-Hulman       73 (2)
4) Franklin               72
5) Bluffton               66 (1)
6) Anderson             47
7) Mount St. Joseph 42
8) Earlham               33
9) Defiance              23
10) Manchester        16
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 30, 2019, 02:21:34 PM
A few preseason games for the conference including 2 tonight.

Transylvania @ Northern Kentucky 10/30
Defiance @ Concordia (MI) 10/30
Defiance @ Ball St 11/5
Manchester @ IPFW 11/7
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on October 30, 2019, 05:59:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 30, 2019, 02:00:20 PM
Coaches Poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20191022h42xwv) is out for the 2019-20 season

1) Transylvania        95 (6)
2) Hanover               83 (1)
3) Rose-Hulman       73 (2)
4) Franklin               72
5) Bluffton               66 (1)
6) Anderson             47
7) Mount St. Joseph 42
8) Earlham               33
9) Defiance              23
10) Manchester        16

I agree with this, I think Transy is going to be a handful this season. The development of Low-Post player Luke Schroeder (Soph.) may be the biggest key on how far this team will go. They have 2 outstanding shooters to spread the floor with Gabe Schmitt and Spencer McKinney. Add all conference player Michael Jefferson as a player that just seems to always be able to get to his spot and they should have a very well rounded team. They also seem to add talent from the Kentucky hotbed of High School talent each year, this year they add 10 FR. that should add to the depth and the  future of the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 31, 2019, 06:16:58 AM
Defiance finished with an 11-1 run in the final 40 seconds to beat NAIA Concordia (MI) 79-78. This was Concordia's 3rd game and the 1st they didn't score 100 points.

Transylvania lost 71-45 to Northern Kentucky (a team that made the D1 tournament last season).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2019, 10:06:05 PM
HCAC is an unbeaten 1-0 so far this season. Transy beats Wilmington 87-78 at MSJ. Take a picture quickly because MSJ looks like they're about to fall to Ohio Northern.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 04, 2019, 05:33:42 PM
Conference play gets underway tonight. The conference is a combined 29-24 with Defiance and Hanover still unbeaten while no one has fewer than 2 wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 04, 2019, 06:04:28 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 04, 2019, 05:33:42 PM
Conference play gets underway tonight. The conference is a combined 29-24 with Defiance and Hanover still unbeaten while no one has fewer than 2 wins.

Trying to force myself to go over and watch Transy and Earlham tonight, but after working outside this afternoon in the cool air I'm having a hard time getting off my butt.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 04, 2019, 09:27:04 PM
Darn, I missed a good one in Lexington tonight. Earlham came to town and knocked off Transy 68-66, looking at the play-by-play it was a wild final minute.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 05, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 04, 2019, 09:27:04 PM
Darn, I missed a good one in Lexington tonight. Earlham came to town and knocked off Transy 68-66, looking at the play-by-play it was a wild final minute.

A stat I saw after the game that I had to take a double take at....that was Earlham's first ever win against Transy (0-19 before).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 05, 2019, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on December 05, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 04, 2019, 09:27:04 PM
Darn, I missed a good one in Lexington tonight. Earlham came to town and knocked off Transy 68-66, looking at the play-by-play it was a wild final minute.

A stat I saw after the game that I had to take a double take at....that was Earlham's first ever win against Transy (0-19 before).

That made me do a double take and I had to check it out myself. Sure enough it is Earlham's first ever win against Transylvania, but Transy is not the only conference foe to dominate Earlham. They are 1-17 against Bluffton, 1-17 against Hanover, 1-17 against Rose-Hulman and now 1-18 against Transylvania.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 10, 2019, 07:37:07 PM
Current Massey ratings for the HCAC.

Hanover  56
Transylvania  99
Earlham  147
Bluffton  166
Defiance  173
Franklin  176
Anderson  189
Mt. St. Joseph  211
Manchester  226
Rose-Hulman  241
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 11, 2019, 01:02:00 AM
Quote from: Baldini on December 10, 2019, 07:37:07 PM
Current Massey ratings for the HCAC.

Hanover  56
Transylvania  99
Earlham  147
Bluffton  166
Defiance  173
Franklin  176
Anderson  189
Mt. St. Joseph  211
Manchester  226
Rose-Hulman  241
Matt Snyder (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html) aka KnightSlappy (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10066)
84 Hanover
133 Transylvania
184 Bluffton
185 Anderson
203 Mount St Joseph
224 Rose-Hulman
235 Defiance
257 Franklin
286 Earlham
334 Manchester
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 20, 2019, 10:23:56 AM
Interesting looking at the standing in the HCAC and all 10 teams are a game apart. Transylvania was picked in the coaches poll, but having watched them a few times live this season I do not view them as a team that can win without their A game. It is wide open for the conference playoff spots and not sure anyone can be ruled out of that picture.   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2019, 01:47:12 PM
Worst record is MSJ at 3-8. Half the league is at 2-1 and the other half 1-2 in conference play so it doesn't look like there's any rock bottom team this season.
I don't know where Defiance came from... they went 3-22 (1-17) last year and were picked 9th in the coaches poll but are 7-2 this year with wins over Hanover and Rose but then a 28 point loss to Anderson (the one team they beat last year).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CatsFan2012 on January 10, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
Tuned in for Transy game vs Franklin and wanted to join convo. Disappointed w loss but kudos to Franklin. Looked like a nice team w good shooting all around. Press almost got em in 2nd half tho. Saw their win vs TU is 5th in a row. Still like the Pios tho. Lotta faith in shootin and rim attack.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 10, 2020, 02:30:01 PM
I have probably seen Transy live 25-30 times in the past 4 seasons and they would be an interesting case study on why they play the way they do. They start most games slowly and with very little urgency, most games they are in a hole at the half. Coach Lane almost always will use a press to jumpstart his team and get some energy into them and in most cases they will make a late run. Maybe press from the opening tip or maybe Coach Lane just gives great halftime speeches.   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CatsFan2012 on January 12, 2020, 06:02:11 PM
Good win to get back on track for TU. Didn't know much about Defiance but Jordan kid looks like he's gonna be a problem in the conference if Defiance can keep him there. Athletic kid w good lookin shot. Big one vs Hanover next for the Pios. Interesting that Hanover beat Bluffton by a bunch. Saw Franklin won again too and sits on top of the league. nice team
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 18, 2020, 07:09:28 PM
A look at the standings reveals that it is going to be a great second half in conference play in the HCAC. Eight of the 10 teams are 5-3, 4-4 or 3-5, playoff spots will probably go right down to the last day of games. Another set of very competitive games today.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 18, 2020, 09:17:20 PM
With Hanover and Anderson both losing, that gives Franklin a 2 game cushion as we approach the halfway mark of conference play.

Coach Kerry Prather was named acting president of Franklin earlier this week after the former president was arrested for child sex crimes (https://www.wthr.com/article/franklin-college-terminates-president-after-deeply-disturbing-incident) in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CatsFan2012 on January 19, 2020, 03:53:23 PM
Great grit by TU to edge out win over Rose. I like the Pics to do well in the 2nd half of play. Need some things to go their way to climb to top of the league, but I don't see them staying around 5th or 6th place. Too much talent. Interesting seein both Hanover and Anderson go down yesterdy.

Saw everything about Prather at Franklin. Wild. Looks like his team hasn't missed a beat tho. what is it now 8 straight wins?

Glad buddy introduced me to this site. fun to talk about local hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 20, 2020, 08:13:48 PM
Transylvania is a fun team to watch most of the time. Probably best when they play small ball and spread the floor, they put 4 shooters on the floor with Jefferson, who seems to have the ability to get to where he wants to on the floor. Press, play up tempo and make 3's. Exciting basketball.   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 25, 2020, 10:17:33 PM
Franklin has their first 10 game win streak in 20 years after beating Earlham today.
Grizzlies maintain their 2 game lead on Hanover with Transylvania now 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CatsFan2012 on January 27, 2020, 06:39:46 PM
Very excited for TU-Franklin game on Wednesday. Remember great TU games vs Franklin in late 2000's at Beck Center. Both programs have had their ups n downs since but good to see both doin well again. Franklin first in field goal % in conference and TU 2nd. TU 1st in points and Franklin tied for 2nd. Franklin 2nd in 3pt% and Transy 3rd. going to be a good battle
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:16:26 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:15:39 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 20, 2020, 05:36:15 AM
If Transylvania defeats Bluffton on Saturday, I believe they win the tie-breaker with Franklin and would be the #1 seed in the tournament due to their split with Hanover and Franklin going 0-2 against them.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 07:32:59 PM
I believe we have
#1 Transylvania
#4 Bluffton vs #5 Anderson

#2 Franklin
#3 Hanover vs #6 Rose-Hulman

All games at Transylvania.

With Rose playing in the first round it means a Fri/Sat/Sun tournament I believe. Curious how it will work out since the Transy women also earned the 1 seed and would host. Going to be a lot of games and teams on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:39:15 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2020, 02:12:03 PM
Here's the percentages to win against each other using Massey and all games at Transy...

Men
TU
FC
HC
BU
AU
RH
Transylvania
-
72%
61%
72%
77%
70%
Franklin
28%
-
38%
50%
56%
47%
Hanover
39%
62%
-
63%
68%
60%
Bluffton
28%
50%
37%
-
56%
47%
Anderson
23%
44%
32%
44%
-
41%
Rose-Hulman
30%
53%
40%
53%
59%
-


And the probabilities of winning each round
1
Transylvania
100%

74.20%

50.07%
4
Bluffton
56%

15.68%

6.98%
5
Anderson
44%

10.12%

3.94%














3
Hanover
60%

37.20%

17.00%
6
Rose-Hulman
40%

21.20%

7.75%
2
Franklin
100%

41.60%

14.26%

Transy the favorite since they're at home, but Massey thinks Franklin will struggle as they'd be slight underdogs to both Hanover or RHIT in the semifinals.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 29, 2020, 05:29:34 AM
Good stuff. The 2 slight underdogs won the games last night, should be a great day of basketball today in Lexington.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 29, 2020, 09:02:45 PM
Lower seeded teams are 3-1 so far... and Transy was in a fight for 35 minutes against Anderson. #6 Rose-Hulman at #1 Transylvania tomorrow for the title.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on March 02, 2020, 01:17:25 PM
Transylvania draws UW-Oshkosh in the first round. To be the Champ, you need to beat the Champ. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
At least Transy won't have to face UWO in Kolf Arena. The Pioneers get a neutral venue instead, Gregory Arena in Merner Fieldhouse (aka "the airplane hangar") on the campus of North Central in the Chicago suburb of Naperville.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 02, 2020, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
At least Transy won't have to face UWO in Kolf Arena. The Pioneers get a neutral venue instead, Gregory Arena in Merner Fieldhouse (aka "the airplane hangar") on the campus of North Central in the Chicago suburb of Naperville.
HCAC team getting paired up with the defending champions from the WIAC in the first round... where have I heard that before (https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2014-15/contrib/201803040127m0) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2020, 10:53:33 PM
Kerry Prather is retiring after 37 years as Franklin's HC with an overall record of 528-456. He was appointed president after being the active president since mid January. The school will renew it's search for a new president next year with hopes of appointing someone in the summer of 2022.  https://www.franklingrizzlies.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20200303i3f8p0
Franklin already will have a new football coach next season after Mike Leonard retired few months ago and now a new mens basketball coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on March 04, 2020, 05:31:40 PM
Transylvania is the only school with 2 Jostens Trophy finalists.

https://www.transysports.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200303sq8np0
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 05, 2020, 03:40:31 AM
HCAC All-Conference Awards (https://heartlandconf.org/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20200304fwyp02)

Player of the Year – Craig McGee, Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Defensive Player of the Year – Maurice Knight, Anderson University
Freshman of the Year – Brandon Cromwell, Transylvania University
Coach of the Year – Kerry Prather, Franklin College

Really reflects how the season went... 8 out of 10 teams represented on the 1st or 2nd team.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2020, 04:08:56 PM
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=6qldo/d0hc2yt7zhtbhulo.jpg)

The Division III Men's and Women's Basketball Tournaments are set to get going. It all starts at 1:00 p.m. ET on Friday with the first men's game.

However, before you get fully wrapped up in the games make sure you go into it fully informed.

That means tuning into Hoopsville on Thursday night for our tournaments preview episode. We will not only take a fresh look at the brackets, but we will also talk to a number of coaches getting their teams ready for first-round games. From a Conference Cinderella, to a couple of Conference Champions, and a coach looking to finish his career with a bang.

Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Kevin Jaskiewicz, Coast Guard men's coach
- Steve Moore, Wooster men's coach
- Brian Lane, Transylvania men's coach
- Carissa Sain, No. 18 Chicago women's coach
- Mike Miller, No. 19 Messiah women's coach

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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 07, 2020, 03:58:25 AM
Transylvania falls in the 1st round to UW-Oshkosh 74-58.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 17, 2020, 11:18:05 AM
Two named to the all-region team (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2019-20/great-lakes-men)

2nd team: Craig McGee - Rose-Hulman
3rd team: Michael Jefferson - Transylvania
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 21, 2020, 08:34:44 PM
Transylvania is now 0-4, but all 4 were on the road to D-1 schools.

Dec. 9th - Morehead State U. 77-55
Dec. 10th - Morehead State U. 81-55
Dec. 12th - Eastern Kentucky U. 81-60
Dec. 15th - Murray State U. 90-49

It has been a very strange year, but I am sure that it has been a thrill for this team to get the chance to play these D-1 schools.   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 11, 2021, 07:56:41 PM
Preseason poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/1/10/2020-21-mens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx) is out


1.   Transylvania     80
2.   Rose-Hulman   71
3.   Franklin           64
4.   Hanover           62
5.   Anderson         54
6.   Bluffton           45
7.   Defiance          42
8.   Manchester       30
9.   Earlham           26
10.   Mount St. Joseph   21
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2021, 10:21:18 PM
Well, this was fun:
https://twitter.com/d3hoops/status/1352454171698606085
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2021, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2021, 10:21:18 PM
Well, this was fun:
https://twitter.com/d3hoops/status/1352454171698606085
Wow. Kudos to the clock operator ... and the camera operator, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2021, 09:46:13 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2021, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2021, 10:21:18 PM
Well, this was fun:
https://twitter.com/d3hoops/status/1352454171698606085
Wow. Kudos to the clock operator ... and the camera operator, too.

For sure. Lots of ways that could have gone wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2021, 10:59:17 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2021, 09:46:13 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2021, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2021, 10:21:18 PM
Well, this was fun:
https://twitter.com/d3hoops/status/1352454171698606085
Wow. Kudos to the clock operator ... and the camera operator, too.

For sure. Lots of ways that could have gone wrong.

My son's first collegiate soccer goal happened while the camera operator was pointed at the wrong end of the field. It really heightened my appreciation of those people (often student workers) who are conscientious enough to pay attention to the game, instead of scrolling through social media on their phone.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2021, 11:32:09 AM
It helps if your school hires student-athletes to work as camera operators, because of the empathy factor; they tend to appreciate how much it means to them to have their own sport covered properly by conscientious camera work. But there are exceptions. Seven or eight years ago as I was calling a North Park women's basketball game, I happened to glance over to my left during live action and saw that the camera operator, who was an NPU women's soccer player, was looking at her phone rather than the game. I turned off my mic and yelled, "Put the phone away, ____!" She almost jumped out of her skin! But she put the phone away. Didn't help her any in the end; the SID was sitting right in front of me, heard what I said, and she never worked another game as camera operator.

(In my experience, the best camera operators are baseball players. They're patient; they have a knack for tracking the ball well, no matter which sport; and they never gripe about how boring the game is -- which I attribute to the fact that they get tired of hearing people knock their chosen sport as being boring to watch.)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2021, 12:29:04 PM
I always appreciate broadcasts that have the scoreboard displayed (hint hint Franklin). Nice to be able to have it on in the background and take a quick look to see time and score rather than wait 5 minutes for a timeout then pan to the scoreboard or hope the announcer mentions it. Great work by everyone at MSJ for the coverage.

Also... Mount was picked to finish last and Transy 1st this season. Nearly a huge upset early in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2021, 07:16:59 PM
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The Division III basketball season technically started nearly three months ago, but it has taken until the end of January for it to start feeling like the season is really underway. Even so, only about a quarter of the division has played just a single game. Another quarter of the division will never take to the court. And in between is wide gulf of different options.

On the first video-version of Hoopsville this season, Dave McHugh is joined by much of the D3hoops.com crew, Pat Coleman and Ryan Scott, to react to what has been one of the more unique seasons ... to say it lightly.

We react to the challenges schools are facing, what coaches are grappling with on a daily basis - especially beyond games and practices, and why schools are making so many different decisions.

We also discuss what is likely the future of this season's NCAA Championship Tournaments and, more importantly, when the decision on those tournaments will be made.

Plus, will there be a Top 25? No. Well, yes. Kind of. Tune in to learn more on what's coming. Plus a lot more including Dave spinning off Pat's thoughts on those wishing to attend games.

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Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:47:00 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2021, 07:31:37 PM
HCAC tournament revealed (https://heartlandconf.org/news/2021/2/19/hcac-reveals-2021-mens-basketball-bracket.aspx)

In a random draw the team seeds are as follows:
                                         1 Manchester (2-9)
No. 8 – Anderson (7-5)        vs
vs                                       8/9
No. 9 – Earlham (1-7)
                                          4 Bluffton (8-4)
                                          vs
                                          5 Franklin (6-4)


                                          3 Hanover (4-4)
                                          vs
                                          6 Defiance (1-5)

                                          2 Transylvania (7-2)
7 Rose-Hulman (10-2)         vs
vs                                      7/10
10 Mount St Joseph (2-6)


The opening round will be played Feb. 26-28, depending on the host schools availability. The second round will take place on March 3, at the higher seed. The semifinal round will be hosted on March 6-7, dependent on the host schools availability. The Championship will be played at the highest remaining seed on March 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 22, 2021, 09:53:00 AM
Is it possible to round up a few for a bracket challenge here?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2021, 12:07:26 PM
With as barren as this board usually is, I doubt it. But I'm game if people decide to show up.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2021, 09:30:39 PM
                                         1 Manchester 64
8 Anderson 86                   vs                              1 Manchester
vs                                       8 Anderson 63
9 Earlham 56                                                           vs
                                          4 Bluffton 51
                                          vs                                5 Franklin
                                          5 Franklin 55


                                          3 Hanover 101
                                          vs                                  3 Hanover
                                          6 Defiance 70
                                                                                vs
                                          2 Transylvania --
7 Rose-Hulman  --               vs                                   2 Transylvania
vs                                      7 Rose-Hulman --
10 Mount St Joseph --
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 08, 2021, 04:23:48 AM
Transylvania goes the length of the court and hit a layup with 2.2 left to win while Franklin also wins a close one. Championship is Wednesday in Lexington.

                                         1 Manchester 64
8 Anderson 86                   vs                              1 Manchester 73
vs                                       8 Anderson 63
9 Earlham 56                                                           vs                                      5 Franklin
                                          4 Bluffton 51
                                          vs                                5 Franklin 78
                                          5 Franklin 55


                                          3 Hanover 101
                                          vs                                  3 Hanover 75
                                          6 Defiance 70
                                                                                vs                                   2 Transylvania
                                          2 Transylvania --
7 Rose-Hulman  --               vs                                   2 Transylvania 76
vs                                      7 Rose-Hulman --
10 Mount St Joseph --
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 10, 2021, 10:32:10 PM
For the first time since 2008, Franklin wins the HCAC tournament.  :) ;D 8-)
73-54 final at Transylvania, Pioneers cut the lead to 7 with 5 1/2 minutes left but Franklin finishes on 19-7 run.

No national tournament this year, but maybe we can get some regional stuff, get a few teams together and have a fun little postseason or something.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 21, 2021, 12:48:15 PM
All-Great Lakes  (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2020-21/great-lakes-men)teams announced

Senior forward Lucas Gentry from Transylvania made 1st team
Senior guard Craig McGee from Rose-Hulman made 2nd team
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2021, 02:20:17 PM
Coaches poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/10/22/2021-22-mens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx) is out for this year. Looks like no one knows who is going to win with just 6 points between the top 4.

1.   Anderson (4)   81
1.   Hanover (1)   81
3.   Transylvania (2)   78
4.   Rose-Hulman (2)   75
5.   Franklin (1)   67
6.   Bluffton   46
7.   Manchester   41
8.   Mount St. Joseph   36
9.   Earlham   26
10.   Defiance   19
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on October 29, 2021, 01:50:19 PM
Franklin  ill talk mens basketball with you.     Unlike the woman the men are loaded in depth. The only question can they overcome losing Mcgee which i think they can they had a stellar freshman  class last year and i have heard this class is along the same lines and they also get back Vuk Dujuric who didnt play last season due to covid
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 01, 2021, 10:30:50 AM
Conference play kicks off this evening and all 3 games should be evenly matched games.

Anderson travels to play Hanover in a game that might show who the early favorite is in the HCAC. Franklin travels to Lexington to play Transylvania in what appears to be a toss up game and is the game I will be at. Manchester @ Defiance is another even game between teams that didn't get a lot of love in the pre-season coaches poll.

Bluffton hosts Kalamazoo, Earlham @ North Park and Rose-Holman @ Wabash are non conference games that round out the HCAC schedule for the evening. Should be a fun night of games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 02, 2021, 09:33:57 AM
What a great win for Franklin, what a tough loss for Transylvania. The Pioneers had a 5 point lead with under a minute to play and gave it up, than had a 4 point lead in OT and coughed that up also to get bet 91-90. Mitch O'Mara hit the game winner with 1 second remaining in OT after Brandon Cromwell completed a 3 point play to give Transylvania the lead with only 5 seconds to play. Transylvania squad did not sleep well after letting that one get away last night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 12, 2021, 04:06:22 PM
Rose withstood being down 1 starter and1 key bench due to Covid for the win against mount  st joe
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 13, 2021, 02:08:11 PM
I want to give congrats to DC for their 3-0 start in conference action!  The big win against Hanover was great to watch over the weekend.  Keep up the hard work, DC!
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2022, 11:31:58 AM
It is Monday and you should try and spend your afternoon tuned into to Hoopsville!

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One month. That's all that's left in the DIII regular season. It doesn't seem that long ago when the holidays marked an early half-way point and there was still lots to figure out and games to enjoy watching.

There are still lots of games still to enjoy and there is plenty to still figure out. However, just a month remains before the regular season is over and the two 64-team NCAA Tournaments will be set.

Time is running out.

On this midday edition of Hoopsville (due to schedule conflicts), we focus our attention on Regions 1 & 2 (combined), 4, 6, and 8 (the old Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central) to talk to programs still jockeying for home court advantage in their conference playoffs or to make sure they get into the NCAAs no matter the avenue.

Guests include:
- Rodney Rogan, Rhodes women's coach
- Jon Miller, Hanover men's coach
- Top 25 Men's Double-Take
- Steven Schulman, Lehman men's coach
- Craig Dagan, Maine Maritime women's coach

Hoopsville airs LIVE 1:00 PM ET: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan31 (you can also watch the show On Demand or listen to the podcast after the show goes off the air).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2022, 11:20:36 PM
First regional rankings (https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first) with actual rankings are out and the HCAC has 3 in... and they all proceeded to lose tonight. #5 Hanover loses at home 86-82 to Transylvania, #6 Anderson lost 65-42 at home to Rose-Hulman, and #9 Defiance lost 67-60 at Earlham. Are we trying to get everyone in the CCIW into the rankings?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 23, 2022, 04:36:51 PM
All-Conference awards have been announced (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2022/2/22/hcac-recognizes-2022-mens-basketball-all-conference-and-awards.aspx)

Player of the Year – Maurice Knight, Anderson University
Defensive Player of the Year – Maurice Knight, Anderson University
Newcomer of the Year – Hunter Penn, Transylvania University
Coach of the Year – Jon Miller, Hanover College

1st Team: Anderson, Bluffton, Defiance. Franklin, Hanover, Transylvania (1)
2nd Team: Hanover (2), Earlham, Manchester, Rose-Hulman, Transyvlania (1)
Honorable Mentions: Mount St Joseph, Rose-Hulman (2), Anderson, Defiance, Earlham, Hanover (1)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2022, 07:45:18 PM
The definition of it's hard to beat a team 3 times in a season...
3 seed Defiance beat Franklin by 3 and 13, Franklin wins in the quarterfinals 81-69
2 seed Rose-Hulman beat Franklin by 7 and 26, Franklin wins in the semifinals 73-54
1 seed Hanover beat Franklin by 24 and 25, Franklin wins in the final

Freshman Cody Samples averaged less than 5 points a game this year and had only scored double figures five times in 23 games. He went off for 34.

Grizzlies didn't get to go dancing last year after winning the tournament, they get the chance this year. Go Grizzlies

8-) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 27, 2022, 02:27:31 PM
Congratulations to Franklin in winning the tournament and AQ for the HCAC. So, is a date with Marietta the next stop for Franklin? Good luck to the Grizzlies wherever they may go. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2022, 04:04:33 PM
I'm sure they'll be cannon fodder for a top team, my guess is Marietta or UW-Oshkosh. But it's the first tournament since 2008 so I'm gonna enjoy the game regardless. Although one more upset is needed to avoid a losing season. They've won 5 of their last 6 just to get back to 14-14 for the year.

Hanover still has an outside chance of getting a Pool C.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2022, 04:49:21 PM
Franklin has their task. They're headed to Illinois Wesleyan to face the Titans.
Better draw than I expected... it's gone from far bigger than 2015 Defiance over Whitewater levels of upset to probably just slightly below. Let the madness commence :)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2022, 07:46:36 PM
Lots of boos from the IWU crowd when Franklin players were announced. Hope that fired the Grizzlies up. It's game time.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2022, 07:58:27 PM
Grizzlies won't let IWU lead wire to wire. Took a brief lead at 12-11 with 8 straight points but Titans have recovered.
Leritz is going to be an issue for the Grizzlies in the middle.  Hopefully Franklin can stay hot from 3 because we're probably not getting many offensive rebounds tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2022, 08:01:42 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2022, 07:46:36 PM
Lots of boos from the IWU crowd when Franklin players were announced. Hope that fired the Grizzlies up. It's game time.

UGH!  If what you report is true (and I'll assume it is), my apologies as a green-bleeding Titan.  We NEVER behaved like that in my day (admittedly over 50 years ago.)

Lots of booing DURING the game, but never before it started! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2022, 08:32:35 PM
Grizzlies had the lead but Titans with a 24-9 run to end the half and Franklin is down 40-26 at halftime.
Franklin has 7 turnovers to IWU's 1. Need to flip that.
Only 2 offensive rebounds, didn't think they'd get many second chances.
6 of 15 from deep, 40% isn't bad but it's not going to be enough tonight, need to get hot in the 2nd half.
Just 9 fouls between the teams, they've been letting them play.

20 minutes left, just need to chip away at the lead. 1 extra basket every 2 minutes and the game is tied with 6 minutes left. Can't let the Titans start the half on a run.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2022, 08:58:02 PM
Franklin has been cold in the 2nd half and just can't get rebounds. 20 point game with under 9 minutes left. Looking dire at this point. Have to be perfect the rest of the way but otherwise it's the final minutes of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2022, 09:20:07 PM
55-73 final. I'm not sure how it got that close in the end, seemed like it was going to be at least 30 points.

IWU 11-3 fast break points
IWU 19-4 second chance points
IWU fewer turnovers 6-15
IWU 12-2 steals
IWU 43-31 rebounds
IWU 15-4 offensive rebounds

Still, Grizzlies didn't get to go to a tournament last year so this was a nice reward for that. Matt Krause was the only senior on the team so hopefully they can make up for his loss next year and at the very least have a winning record.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 07, 2022, 05:31:23 PM
https://franklin.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220307manxbu

Brian Lebowitz is stepping down as head coach at Franklin.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on April 23, 2022, 01:19:20 AM
Appears Chris Hamilton, an assistant at my alma mater Nebraska Wesleyan, will become the next head coach at Franklin.
Hamilton has been at NWU for the last four years. Prior to that he was an assistant at Randolph-Macon.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on April 30, 2022, 01:55:24 AM
well one down hopefully the other will follow.    DePauw announced hiring of rose hulman  mens coach. No announcement by Rose so i dont think this is a friendly breakup.   

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on April 30, 2022, 02:02:45 PM
What are you talking about? You clearly don't know how hiring (and subsequent announcements) works in the college coaching world...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on April 30, 2022, 02:28:39 PM
ok one university ha sit all over their site.   the other has no mention of it. No article  of love and we wish him happiness going forward.  His comments have nothing  mentioning his time and appreciation at being at rose.        Calm down just saying I dont think Rose knew this was happening.   He is a very good coach and I believe he is tight with coach who retired.  Im sure he is excited to be able to recruit with not as many roadblocks
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on April 30, 2022, 02:31:51 PM
posted on their site on the 28th.  no comment yet by rose  they still have him listed as the coach so its pretty obvious they were not aware of the situation.



Greencastle, Ind. - Rusty Loyd, head men's basketball coach at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology since 2014, is DePauw's selection as head men's basketball coach. He replaces Bill Fenlon who is retiring after 30 years at the helm. Loyd becomes just the sixth DePauw head coach in the last 64 years.

"I am humbled and honored to accept the head coaching position at DePauw University," Loyd said. "I want to thank President Lori White, Vice President for Student Affairs and Dean of Students Alan Hill, and Director of Athletics Stevie Baker-Watson for entrusting me with the future of Tiger basketball. To say that I am excited is an understatement and I am thrilled to have the opportunity to support these young men as they pursue excellence in the classroom, on the basketball court, and in their future endeavors. Kristen and I are excited to begin this new journey with Mia, Mason, and Maren, and look forward to our family joining the DePauw community."

"We are so excited to welcome Rusty and his family to our Team DePauw family," DePauw Associate Vice President for Student Wellness and Theodore Katula Director of Athletics and Recreational Sports Stevie Baker-Watson said. "Our search process yielded a tremendous number of qualified individuals, and Rusty distinguished himself with his passion for the game of basketball, and his desire for the student-athletes to have a "DePauw experience" that emphasizes academics and athletics. Throughout the interview process, Rusty was clear that returning to the NCAA tournament is one of his short term goals for the program."

In eight seasons as the head coach at Rose-Hulman, Loyd led the Fightin' Engineers to a 120-78 overall record and an 82-43 mark in Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference play. He was named the HCAC Coach of the Year in 2018 and 2021 and his Rose-Hulman teams appeared in the HCAC Tournament championship game three times. He directed Rose-Hulman to the HCAC regular season conference title in 2018 while tying for second in 2019 and 2022. Loyd was named to the Silver Waves Media list of 50 Impactful Head Coaches in NCAA Division III men's basketball in 2020 and 2022. Prior to his selection as the head coach, He was the assistant men's basketball coach and head men's golf coach at Rose-Hulman for five seasons.

Loyd graduated from University of Chicago in 1998 with a Bachelor of Arts in Psychology. As a player with the Maroons, he helped lead the team to a 76-29 four-year record, while starting three years and serving as a captain. During his junior and senior seasons, Chicago posted a 47-8 record and earned spots in the NCAA Division III round of 16 both years. He was a three-time all-University Athletic Association selection in addition to earning two all-region honors and all-America accolades as a senior. In 2018, Loyd was selected to the UAA 30th anniversary team.

He started his coaching career as an assistant at Earlham College for two seasons before moving on to a two-year stint at Lewis University and four years at his alma mater. His first head coaching position came in June 2006 when he was chosen to direct the program at Illinois Institute of Technology where he stayed until 2009.

Loyd and his wife Kristen are parents to three children, Mia (15), Mason (13) and Maren (7).
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on April 30, 2022, 10:21:03 PM
Jester - it is pretty standard for the former school to have no comment when their head coach leaves for a different school. Situations vary but I cannot imagine there was anything less than an amicable parting. DePauw and RHIT go WAY back and have been competing against one another for over a century and there are a good many links between the programs. In fact, the retiring DePauw coach, Bill Fenlon, was actually the head coach at RHIT in the late 80's/early 90's before leaving for Texas after 2-3 years and then returning to Indiana to take the job in Greencastle after a very short stint down there -Fenlon might have been the immediate successor to the legendary John Mutchner  who retired in (I believe) 1988 - and it might have even been Fenlon that took RHIT to their lone NCAA Tournament appearance between Mutchner's and Jim Shaw's tenures.

Additionally, Coach Fenlon was very good friends with Coach Jim Shaw, who hired Coach Loyd to be his assistant at RHIT in 2009. I don't know that recruiting at DePauw will be any easier for Coach Loyd than it was at RHIT, but he'll definitely be able to recruit high(er)-academic kids that really care about competing and want to make playing basketball a focus. As much as I love RHIT, even the kids that show up really burning to compete eventually get beat-down so much by the academics that they just cannot put the same kind of mental and emotional focus on basketball that they would have wanted or been able to elsewhere. I don't know if Coach Loyd ever had to deal with that issue at RHIT, but I'm sure it's far less likely he will at DePauw.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2022, 11:59:13 PM
I moved the posts about RHIT men's basketball into the appropriate board.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on May 01, 2022, 05:04:04 PM
Hi engine

just stating that from appearance it looks like Rose may have been caught off guard by his decision. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on May 02, 2022, 03:22:37 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 01, 2022, 05:04:04 PM
Hi engine

just stating that from appearance it looks like Rose may have been caught off guard by his decision.

This comment is LIGHT YEARS from your previous: "No announcement by Rose so i dont think this is a friendly breakup"... Your insinuation that Rose is pleased, or happy, or ambivalent about the departure assumes facts not based in evidence.

D3 programs are consistently slow and lackadaisical when it comes to announcing departing coaching changes. The primary reason is that there are not a lot of situations which require an immediate comment for media outlets.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on May 02, 2022, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on April 30, 2022, 10:21:03 PM
... I don't know that recruiting at DePauw will be any easier for Coach Loyd than it was at RHIT, but he'll definitely be able to recruit high(er)-academic kids that really care about competing and want to make playing basketball a focus. As much as I love RHIT, even the kids that show up really burning to compete eventually get beat-down so much by the academics that they just cannot put the same kind of mental and emotional focus on basketball that they would have wanted or been able to elsewhere. I don't know if Coach Loyd ever had to deal with that issue at RHIT, but I'm sure it's far less likely he will at DePauw.

IMHO, the recruiting at RHIT could have been significantly better if Coach would've focused more on the basketball-side of the experience in Terre Haute. He would consistently say "you're not coming to Rose for basketball", which for recruits who are PLAYERS and looking for a strong program, was a HUGE turnoff. Obviously $$ is always an issue, but IF you want engineering (in whatever form) and you play basketball at a high level (D1, D2, top-level D3), RHIT is by far the BEST place in America to play!!!! You can, and should, be able to get talent at Rose that other D3 programs wouldn't have any chance to get. Look at the womens program... how many D1/scholarship-caliber kids have enrolled or strongly considered or transferred in the last few years? The mens program should have that as well. This job is a GOLD MINE!!!!!

Coach won't have the same significant differentiators at DePauw as he does at Rose, but it may be easier to get kids even though it is a comparatively more-level playing field vs conference opponents.

I wish him well. With the right hire, Rose could improve to consistently compete on a Regional and National level.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2022, 12:23:11 AM

Are there a lot of high level basketball players who want engineering degrees? It's pretty darn difficult to do both.  It's not like Caltech and MIT are perennial national contenders.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on May 03, 2022, 01:45:27 PM
Rose sports pages are pretty good at being updated. as of right now still no mention of him leaving and still listing him as a coach.  Its my OPINION he left and Rose did not see it coming.   There is a new athletic director which they haven't had one previous and DePauw is a good school but its a lateral move its not a vertical move up to more prestigious job.   He knows how to coach and will be great at Depauw
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on May 03, 2022, 01:48:23 PM

Rose-Hulman sports speaks for themselves.  Football team of all engineers made the NCAA playoffs. Golf team is playing in Ncaa tournament this year. across the board number of their teams are successful.  Just because your smart doesn't mean you cant play
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on May 03, 2022, 01:52:52 PM
also itsnotmeitsyou is also correct. In my time with the womans program plenty of high caliber men and women have come to the program. Including a d-1 player last year and a freshman recruited d-1. In the last 3 years they have had 3 other d-1 recruits and 2 d-2 recruits.   the problem is on the womens side is that they all have stopped playing. I have my thoughts on that but will save for another time.  The men side didn't have guys quitting and they had a all American on their team along with pretty good talent to go with Mr. Mcgee
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on May 03, 2022, 04:04:00 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2022, 12:23:11 AM

Are there a lot of high level basketball players who want engineering degrees? It's pretty darn difficult to do both.  It's not like Caltech and MIT are perennial national contenders.
Well.... YES! Lots of them. Here's just ONE example out of many: After graduating Magna Cum Laude from Rutgers, 6'10" Myles Johnson transferred to UCLA and pushed a Master's Degree in Electrical and Computer Engineering in the UCLA Samueli School of Engineering.

Why is it that NESCAC or UAA schools - all with exceptionally rigorous admissions and degree completion standards - consistently compete on a national level? It is the exact same scenario: high academic requirements and high financial costs.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2022, 04:07:56 PM
Cool story -- not relevant to D-III.

It's the same scenario at other rigorous academic schools, except those schools offer a much wider range of majors and degree programs.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on May 03, 2022, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 03, 2022, 01:45:27 PM
Rose sports pages are pretty good at being updated. as of right now still no mention of him leaving and still listing him as a coach.  Its my OPINION he left and Rose did not see it coming.
That may be true, but the lack of public response does not (and should not) infer an acrimonious "breakup" as you previously stated.  Using your logic, if I stood on the beach and scooped up a glass full of water, I would be able to say: "obviously there are no fish in this sea because there are none in my glass!"

Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on May 03, 2022, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2022, 04:07:56 PM
Cool story -- not relevant to D-III.

It's the same scenario at other rigorous academic schools, except those schools offer a much wider range of majors and degree programs.
Well you would be right, EXCEPT there was a D3 National Basketball Player of the Year who played at, if I recall, MIT recently.

Coaches can choose to recruit whoever and however they want. Unfortunately, too many choose to assume, like you and Ryan, that there aren't enough really talented athletes to make their program great. If you just want kids who attend the school to play basketball, fine - you'll just turn into CalTech (historically bad)... when in fact the opposite end of the spectrum (historically good) is possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2022, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on May 03, 2022, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2022, 04:07:56 PM
Cool story -- not relevant to D-III.

It's the same scenario at other rigorous academic schools, except those schools offer a much wider range of majors and degree programs.
Well you would be right, EXCEPT there was a D3 National Basketball Player of the Year who played at, if I recall, MIT recently.

Coaches can choose to recruit whoever and however they want. Unfortunately, too many choose to assume, like you and Ryan, that there aren't enough really talented athletes to make their program great. If you just want kids who attend the school to play basketball, fine - you'll just turn into CalTech (historically bad)... when in fact the opposite end of the spectrum (historically good) is possible.

There was indeed one, 13 years ago. And?

It's just math and common sense -- if you offer more majors you're going to have a wider pool of student-athletes to recruit.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2022, 05:24:50 PM


You do have to look at the majors for those athletes, though.  You don't see a ton of lab heavy degrees on athletic rosters.

MIT made the Final Four playing literally six guys, with no margin of error.  I'm not saying a team full of engineers can't compete, but I don't think the pool is large enough to be a perennial national power.  Those kinds of programs require a buy in from athletes that's REALLY hard to do with such a rigorous academic schedule.  You don't just need one kid willing to do it, you need four every year.

It's not a knock or a detraction; it's just reality.

I interviewed John Grotberg earlier this year.  He is the third all-time career scorer in d3, and went to Grinnell, which is no slouch academically.  He was pre-med to start, but he had to switch to an easier related degree in order to devote the time necessary to play basketball.  He's a doctor now, but he had to do additional prep before med school to make up for what he couldn't manage as an undergrad.

You can definitely get the best basketball playing kids who can hack it academically at RHIT or MIT or CalTech, and those teams would be very, very good - but you have to keep them playing and keep recruiting every year to build a program.

Its much more likely that specialized schools like MIT or RHIT or CalTech get to a level where they're regularly competitive in conference.  That's a real success.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on May 03, 2022, 07:19:50 PM
Quote from: Next Man Up on April 23, 2022, 01:19:20 AM
Appears Chris Hamilton, an assistant at my alma mater Nebraska Wesleyan, will become the next head coach at Franklin.
Hamilton has been at NWU for the last four years. Prior to that he was an assistant at Randolph-Macon.

And indeed, Chris Hamilton has been named as the new head coach at Franklin.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on May 03, 2022, 09:05:04 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2022, 05:24:50 PM


You do have to look at the majors for those athletes, though.  You don't see a ton of lab heavy degrees on athletic rosters.

MIT made the Final Four playing literally six guys, with no margin of error.  I'm not saying a team full of engineers can't compete, but I don't think the pool is large enough to be a perennial national power.  Those kinds of programs require a buy in from athletes that's REALLY hard to do with such a rigorous academic schedule.  You don't just need one kid willing to do it, you need four every year.

It's not a knock or a detraction; it's just reality.

I interviewed John Grotberg earlier this year.  He is the third all-time career scorer in d3, and went to Grinnell, which is no slouch academically.  He was pre-med to start, but he had to switch to an easier related degree in order to devote the time necessary to play basketball.  He's a doctor now, but he had to do additional prep before med school to make up for what he couldn't manage as an undergrad.

You can definitely get the best basketball playing kids who can hack it academically at RHIT or MIT or CalTech, and those teams would be very, very good - but you have to keep them playing and keep recruiting every year to build a program.

Its much more likely that specialized schools like MIT or RHIT or CalTech get to a level where they're regularly competitive in conference.  That's a real success.

Ryan, you also need to factor in the financial aid aspect. I'm not suggesting anyone is cheating at all. Endowments differ. Philosophies differ. I've heard crazy stories about D3 coaches googling potential recruit's addresses to try to see where they live and estimate whether their family would be able to afford a $70,000 per year tuition bill before they even bother to try to recruit them! How's that for evaluating a recruit - by their parents' net worth?!
RHIT's financial aid has always been anemic - I sat beside a (then) current RHIT parent when they played Hope a few years ago and they were paying $45,000 per year AFTER financial aid! Schools like CalTech, RHIT, and MIT don't need to give great financial aid to make their class #'s every year - so in many cases they just don't. I doubt they care very much whether it hurts their ability to attract great athletes as long as they are getting the right class along with test scores and diversity. The coaches scrounge together whatever talent they can with the breathtaking obstacles of cost and the difficult academics and just do the best they can.

Someone, I think Jester probably, mentioned that RHIT has been able to bring in Division I-level kids on the women's side and that is certainly testament to recruiting - but the problem with that is that there's probably a reason kids turn down Division I offers for D-III. Their desire/commitment to basketball probably isn't on a par with lesser-talented kids at other schools - which turns out to be a wash.

I agree with you a thousand percent, Ryan. The STEM schools probably ought to be content with being competitive in their respective leagues and then once every decade they'll manage to have 6-8 great kids on campus all at the same time and can dream a little bigger.

Wabash made the Final Four this year. DePauw has been there in the past. With good command of the X's and O's and the ability to identify your sweet-spot and recruit the right kids, there is a possibility you can win big at DePauw, and I think Loyd ultimately will. At RHIT, he could have stayed there for another 20 years and eclipsed Coach Shaw's record for wins, won 4 or 5 HCAC titles, and played in as many NCAA Tournaments, with a 1st or 2nd round exit in each one, and been enshrined in the school's Hall of Fame. He's probably an ambitious guy and saw an opportunity to coach at a highly-respected school (if not quite at the same level as RHIT or his own alma mater U Chicago) where he could dream as big as he wants to. I'm a RHIT lifer/homer, whatever you want to call it - but I don't think it was a lateral move at all. He just wants to win and he took a job at a great school where he can...and will.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2022, 10:23:45 PM
I agree that the ceiling is higher at DePauw/in the NCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 03, 2022, 11:03:26 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on May 03, 2022, 09:05:04 PMSomeone, I think Jester probably, mentioned that RHIT has been able to bring in Division I-level kids on the women's side and that is certainly testament to recruiting - but the problem with that is that there's probably a reason kids turn down Division I offers for D-III. Their desire/commitment to basketball probably isn't on a par with lesser-talented kids at other schools - which turns out to be a wash.

Be careful about painting D1 turn-downs and D1 transfers with too broad a brush. Yes, some of them don't want the full-time job of being a scholarship athlete at a D1 school to get in the way of their education and/or their college experience. But some of them transfer out to a D3 school because they simply aren't getting the playing time that they desire -- and, often, the D1 turn-downs are prescient enough to realize that they'd wind up in the same end-of-the-bench boat if they opted to sign that letter of intent. Some of the transfers grow disillusioned with the D1 lifestyle (which often involves attending a massive university where, unless you're playing football or men's basketball, you're probably just as unknown as everybody else even if you're a scholie athlete) more than the D1 workload and want the intimacy and connection of a D3 college -- and, again, sometimes a high-school senior is aware enough of this syndrome to just plain skip the D1 experience altogether. And since D1s tend to recruit nationally far more often than do D3s, it's often a craving to be closer to home that drives a student-athlete to turn down, or transfer from, a D1 school in favor of a D3 school.

Student-athletes who pick D3 over D1 don't all fit into one neat little package when it comes to motivation, or lack thereof.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WUPHF on May 03, 2022, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2022, 05:24:50 PM
You do have to look at the majors for those athletes, though.  You don't see a ton of lab heavy degrees on athletic rosters.

MIT made the Final Four playing literally six guys, with no margin of error. 

I agree with what you are saying, but a few thoughts.

First, it is interesting that Rose-Hulman has yet to add a business or social science degree.  Engineering schools lose a lot of students, but maybe Rose bucks that trend and does not need other options.  Most polytechnic schools offer history, psychology and other degrees.

Notably, many of the students on the roster at Rose and MIT are in the non-lab heavy Computer Science major.  More manageable than say Mechanical Engineering, but still...
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on May 17, 2022, 02:43:33 PM
Just want to point out still no official statement on Rose head coach leaving just his name taken off the website.  Looks like a acrimonious split to me.  Now the question is who takes over maybe the womans coach slides over he has coached men in the past and is going through issues with women not wanting to play for him.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2022, 03:25:08 PM
Many, many schools do not make an announcement when their coach leaves. Many schools also do not make an announcement when they let a coach go.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on May 17, 2022, 04:54:41 PM
Disagree. If it's a good relationship. They make some sort of announcement thanking them for their contributions. And on the other end the coach says he appreciates his time at said school but is looking forward to this new challenge or opportunity.  Plus I know the chatter he was leaving started only 2 weeks before he left.  Isn't lie he was there just for 2 years. He was along time coach there. It happens he found a better fit for him and the school was caught unaware. 
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 17, 2022, 05:26:36 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 17, 2022, 04:54:41 PM
Disagree. If it's a good relationship. They make some sort of announcement thanking them for their contributions. And on the other end the coach says he appreciates his time at said school but is looking forward to this new challenge or opportunity.  Plus I know the chatter he was leaving started only 2 weeks before he left.  Isn't lie he was there just for 2 years. He was along time coach there. It happens he found a better fit for him and the school was caught unaware.

We deal with dozens of coaching changes every year. I assure you, that almost never happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 18, 2022, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 17, 2022, 05:26:36 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 17, 2022, 04:54:41 PM
Disagree. If it's a good relationship. They make some sort of announcement thanking them for their contributions. And on the other end the coach says he appreciates his time at said school but is looking forward to this new challenge or opportunity.  Plus I know the chatter he was leaving started only 2 weeks before he left.  Isn't lie he was there just for 2 years. He was along time coach there. It happens he found a better fit for him and the school was caught unaware.

We deal with dozens of coaching changes every year. I assure you, that almost never happens.

Hmmm - almost never happens may be a stretch.  I agree it's not like you are going to see something akin to what gets posted when a coach retires (althought Alma comes close), but it is not uncommon for their to be at least a press release with some level of thanks to the coach.  Given what teams and conferences I follow, I immediately looked at these 3 coaching departures this year; Alma, NCC, and North Park. While only Alma has a quote from the departing coach, they do all have thanks from the ADs.  Seems strange that RH has nothing that I can find even annoucing the coach has left.

Alma:  https://www.almascots.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220422nxzhgh
NCC:   https://northcentralcardinals.com/news/2022/3/23/coaching-change-announced-for-mens-basketball.aspx
North Park:   https://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2022/3/2/slyder-resigns-as-head-coach-of-npu-mens-basketball.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2022, 11:21:41 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on May 18, 2022, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 17, 2022, 05:26:36 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 17, 2022, 04:54:41 PM
Disagree. If it's a good relationship. They make some sort of announcement thanking them for their contributions. And on the other end the coach says he appreciates his time at said school but is looking forward to this new challenge or opportunity.  Plus I know the chatter he was leaving started only 2 weeks before he left.  Isn't lie he was there just for 2 years. He was along time coach there. It happens he found a better fit for him and the school was caught unaware.

We deal with dozens of coaching changes every year. I assure you, that almost never happens.

Hmmm - almost never happens may be a stretch.  I agree it's not like you are going to see something akin to what gets posted when a coach retires (althought Alma comes close), but it is not uncommon for their to be at least a press release with some level of thanks to the coach.  Given what teams and conferences I follow, I immediately looked at these 3 coaching departures this year; Alma, NCC, and North Park. While only Alma has a quote from the departing coach, they do all have thanks from the ADs.  Seems strange that RH has nothing that I can find even annoucing the coach has left.

Alma:  https://www.almascots.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220422nxzhgh
NCC:   https://northcentralcardinals.com/news/2022/3/23/coaching-change-announced-for-mens-basketball.aspx
North Park:   https://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2022/3/2/slyder-resigns-as-head-coach-of-npu-mens-basketball.aspx

But on the opposite side, there are so, so many that do not announce or even acknowledge a coach's departure.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on June 02, 2022, 03:27:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2022, 11:21:41 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on May 18, 2022, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 17, 2022, 05:26:36 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 17, 2022, 04:54:41 PM
Disagree. If it's a good relationship. They make some sort of announcement thanking them for their contributions. And on the other end the coach says he appreciates his time at said school but is looking forward to this new challenge or opportunity.  Plus I know the chatter he was leaving started only 2 weeks before he left.  Isn't lie he was there just for 2 years. He was along time coach there. It happens he found a better fit for him and the school was caught unaware.

We deal with dozens of coaching changes every year. I assure you, that almost never happens.

Hmmm - almost never happens may be a stretch.  I agree it's not like you are going to see something akin to what gets posted when a coach retires (althought Alma comes close), but it is not uncommon for their to be at least a press release with some level of thanks to the coach.  Given what teams and conferences I follow, I immediately looked at these 3 coaching departures this year; Alma, NCC, and North Park. While only Alma has a quote from the departing coach, they do all have thanks from the ADs.  Seems strange that RH has nothing that I can find even annoucing the coach has left.

Alma:  https://www.almascots.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220422nxzhgh
NCC:   https://northcentralcardinals.com/news/2022/3/23/coaching-change-announced-for-mens-basketball.aspx
North Park:   https://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2022/3/2/slyder-resigns-as-head-coach-of-npu-mens-basketball.aspx

But on the opposite side, there are so, so many that do not announce or even acknowledge a coach's departure.

I wonder what the correlation is between coaches who are fired vs those who voluntarily resign.
It seems logical that if a coach is fired, a somewhat acrimonious relationship would exist wherein the administration would be a lot less inclined to thank or even acknowledge the departing coach.
Conversely, a successful coach with a good relationship with his superiors would be far more likely to receive a "thank you for your service," or, at minimum, some type of acknowledgment of his service/record.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 02, 2022, 04:24:11 PM
Quote from: Next Man Up on June 02, 2022, 03:27:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2022, 11:21:41 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on May 18, 2022, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 17, 2022, 05:26:36 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 17, 2022, 04:54:41 PM
Disagree. If it's a good relationship. They make some sort of announcement thanking them for their contributions. And on the other end the coach says he appreciates his time at said school but is looking forward to this new challenge or opportunity.  Plus I know the chatter he was leaving started only 2 weeks before he left.  Isn't lie he was there just for 2 years. He was along time coach there. It happens he found a better fit for him and the school was caught unaware.

We deal with dozens of coaching changes every year. I assure you, that almost never happens.

Hmmm - almost never happens may be a stretch.  I agree it's not like you are going to see something akin to what gets posted when a coach retires (althought Alma comes close), but it is not uncommon for their to be at least a press release with some level of thanks to the coach.  Given what teams and conferences I follow, I immediately looked at these 3 coaching departures this year; Alma, NCC, and North Park. While only Alma has a quote from the departing coach, they do all have thanks from the ADs.  Seems strange that RH has nothing that I can find even annoucing the coach has left.

Alma:  https://www.almascots.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220422nxzhgh
NCC:   https://northcentralcardinals.com/news/2022/3/23/coaching-change-announced-for-mens-basketball.aspx
North Park:   https://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2022/3/2/slyder-resigns-as-head-coach-of-npu-mens-basketball.aspx

But on the opposite side, there are so, so many that do not announce or even acknowledge a coach's departure.

I wonder what the correlation is between coaches who are fired vs those who voluntarily resign.
It seems logical that if a coach is fired, a somewhat acrimonious relationship would exist wherein the administration would be a lot less inclined to thank or even acknowledge the departing coach.
Conversely, a successful coach with a good relationship with his superiors would be far more likely to receive a "thank you for your service," or, at minimum, some type of acknowledgment of his service/record.

In some cases, a voluntary resignation is just a coach firing a school.  I'm sure it all depends on the relationship.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on June 02, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 02, 2022, 04:24:11 PM
Quote from: Next Man Up on June 02, 2022, 03:27:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2022, 11:21:41 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on May 18, 2022, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 17, 2022, 05:26:36 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 17, 2022, 04:54:41 PM
Disagree. If it's a good relationship. They make some sort of announcement thanking them for their contributions. And on the other end the coach says he appreciates his time at said school but is looking forward to this new challenge or opportunity.  Plus I know the chatter he was leaving started only 2 weeks before he left.  Isn't lie he was there just for 2 years. He was along time coach there. It happens he found a better fit for him and the school was caught unaware.

We deal with dozens of coaching changes every year. I assure you, that almost never happens.

Hmmm - almost never happens may be a stretch.  I agree it's not like you are going to see something akin to what gets posted when a coach retires (althought Alma comes close), but it is not uncommon for their to be at least a press release with some level of thanks to the coach.  Given what teams and conferences I follow, I immediately looked at these 3 coaching departures this year; Alma, NCC, and North Park. While only Alma has a quote from the departing coach, they do all have thanks from the ADs.  Seems strange that RH has nothing that I can find even annoucing the coach has left.

Alma:  https://www.almascots.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220422nxzhgh
NCC:   https://northcentralcardinals.com/news/2022/3/23/coaching-change-announced-for-mens-basketball.aspx
North Park:   https://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2022/3/2/slyder-resigns-as-head-coach-of-npu-mens-basketball.aspx

But on the opposite side, there are so, so many that do not announce or even acknowledge a coach's departure.

I wonder what the correlation is between coaches who are fired vs those who voluntarily resign.
It seems logical that if a coach is fired, a somewhat acrimonious relationship would exist wherein the administration would be a lot less inclined to thank or even acknowledge the departing coach.
Conversely, a successful coach with a good relationship with his superiors would be far more likely to receive a "thank you for your service," or, at minimum, some type of acknowledgment of his service/record.

In some cases, a voluntary resignation is just a coach firing a school.  I'm sure it all depends on the relationship.

A coach firing a school. Indeed! A perfect way to describe some recent coaching departures that I'm aware of.  8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on July 12, 2022, 01:51:06 PM
Transylvania has their schedule up and they open with a road trip to the Chicago area with games against Elmhurst and Wheaton to start the season. They will probably add another game in the near future because they are short one game on the non-conference side of things. Great test for the Pioneers to start the season.

https://www.transysports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on July 20, 2022, 06:49:28 PM
Rumor is that RHIT has hired Marietta assistant.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on July 21, 2022, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on July 20, 2022, 06:49:28 PM
Rumor is that RHIT has hired Marietta assistant.

Nick Sales, Marietta Associate Head Coach. Has been at MC the last 9 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on July 30, 2022, 09:35:43 AM
The Sales hire at RHIT will be announced very soon, I'm told. Lot's of interesting goings-on down there, I'm told. I'll share when I have more info - right now just rumors.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on August 01, 2022, 11:51:46 AM
https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2022/8/1/nick-sales-named-rose-hulman-head-mens-basketball-coach-08-01-22.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on August 05, 2022, 09:07:56 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on August 01, 2022, 11:51:46 AM
https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2022/8/1/nick-sales-named-rose-hulman-head-mens-basketball-coach-08-01-22.aspx

Any idea what in the world is happening in the athletic department at RHIT, Jester?
I've heard a rumble or two - nothing of any substance - but they lose their men's BB coach and now I see that the assistant women's coach (who's been there over a decade) and is also the coach of the very successful women's golf team, his bio is no longer on the website. Did he leave as well or is it just routine site maintenance and I'm just seeing things LoL?
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on August 10, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on August 05, 2022, 09:07:56 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on August 01, 2022, 11:51:46 AM
https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2022/8/1/nick-sales-named-rose-hulman-head-mens-basketball-coach-08-01-22.aspx

Any idea what in the world is happening in the athletic department at RHIT, Jester?
I've heard a rumble or two - nothing of any substance - but they lose their men's BB coach and now I see that the assistant women's coach (who's been there over a decade) and is also the coach of the very successful women's golf team, his bio is no longer on the website. Did he leave as well or is it just routine site maintenance and I'm just seeing things LoL?

Perhaps, as unfortunately sometimes occurs, the Athletics Dept has become politicalized to the point that it's become unbearable for some of the coaches to consider staying.  :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on August 16, 2022, 02:31:01 PM
Engine alot going on. Robinson left for a position at a Georgia school. Most successful coach they had.  Also i was told the mens coach is getting paid way more then he did at rose

My daughter will not be coming back for her senior season. The university is well aware why.  from what i understand there is 4 other players not coming back.  She is content she just got a huge job offer from a pharmaceutical company in the six figures and she is just ready to move on.

This leaves them with 7 players plus 2 incoming where i was told one can help and the other is not ready.  I think the lineup will  be Baum at pg  Black sg  Burnham and Miller forward   fults center and lewman and Rudolph off the bench along with the 2 freshman .

Baum has to score 30 plus and she has the ability to do so but they will press the hell out of her.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: monsoon on August 30, 2022, 08:28:10 AM
Owen Handy resigns as head coach at Anderson, with Carter Collins named the interim for this year.

https://www.cnhinews.com/indiana/sports/article_3c6ae14b-9efe-551c-b1bd-21a7f93ba283.html (https://www.cnhinews.com/indiana/sports/article_3c6ae14b-9efe-551c-b1bd-21a7f93ba283.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2022, 07:16:37 PM
https://heartlandconf.org/news/2022/10/24/2022-23-mens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx (https://heartlandconf.org/news/2022/10/24/2022-23-mens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx)

2022-23 Preseason coaches poll

1.   Hanover (8)          80
2.   Transylvania (2)   73
3.   Rose-Hulman       61
4.   Franklin                49
5.   Anderson              43
6.   Defiance                38
7.   Mount St. Joseph   34
8.   Earlham                 32
9.   Manchester           28
10.   Bluffton               12
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 06, 2022, 04:42:58 PM
About a month into the season, it doesn't look like the HCAC pre-season poll is holding up too well.

I'm beginning to think that it's becoming more than just a trend that "it's never been easier to go from bad to good" than in today's current athletically-related climate.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 08, 2022, 09:51:43 PM
I don't know about that, other than Manchester upsetting Transylvania I'd say the conference is about as expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 11, 2023, 10:09:48 PM
Defiance (who was winless in conference play) gave Anderson (unbeaten in conference) a heck of a game.
Anderson scored with 7 seconds left in regulation to tie it at 71.
Anderson scored with 3 seconds left in OT to tie it at 79.
Defiance hit a 3 to tie it with 5 seconds left in 2OT only for Anderson to hit a 3 at the buzzer to win.

Ravens have a nice cushion on the conference with Rose 2 games back and then a 5 way tie for third at 4-3
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 15, 2023, 09:08:16 AM
Took in the Anderson @ Transylvania game yesterday and was treated to a great game. Anderson built a double-digit lead in the 1st ten minutes of the second half only to see the Pioneers make a strong rally in the final 10 minutes. Anderson had two 3-point attempts in the final 5 seconds on good looks but couldn't get either to go down and Transylvania gets a 3-point win over a very good Anderson squad. Anderson has an impressive lineup of 3-point shooters, fun game.   
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 18, 2023, 06:34:54 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2022, 07:16:37 PM
https://heartlandconf.org/news/2022/10/24/2022-23-mens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx (https://heartlandconf.org/news/2022/10/24/2022-23-mens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx)

2022-23 Preseason coaches poll

1.   Hanover (8)          80
2.   Transylvania (2)   73
3.   Rose-Hulman       61
4.   Franklin                49
5.   Anderson              43
6.   Defiance                38
7.   Mount St. Joseph   34
8.   Earlham                 32
9.   Manchester           28
10.   Bluffton               12
Some of the poll was fairly accurate (Hanover, Rose, Transy, Franklin grouped together) while some things weren't (Manchester getting the 1 seed after being picked 9th)

9.   Manchester          14-4
5.   Anderson             14-4
1.   Hanover               12-6
3.   Rose-Hulman       12-6
2.   Transylvania        11-7
4.   Franklin                  9-9
7.   Mount St. Joseph   8-10
8.   Earlham                 4-14
10.   Bluffton                4-14
6.   Defiance                 2-12

Tournament schedule:
Feb 19th
#6 Franklin @ #3 Hanover
#5 Transylvania @ #4 Rose-Hulman

Feb 24 (@ Manchester)
#1 Manchester vs TBD
#2 Anderson vs TBD

Feb 25th (@ Manchester)
Final
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 19, 2023, 05:54:21 PM
Sadly, Franklin couldn't recreate their 6th seed magic from last year. Hanover beats the Grizzlies 83-73.
Transylvania took a 2 point lead with 32 seconds left but Rose-Hulman scores the final 5 points to win 71-68
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 24, 2023, 10:35:06 PM
Rose-Hulman takes down the hosts, Manchester, 66-63 and will play for the title tomorrow. Anderson beat Hanover 72-63 in the first semi.
It's #2 vs #4.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2023, 09:34:37 PM
Anderson wins their first ever HCAC Tournament crown beating Rose 73-55. It will be their 2nd NCAA appearance.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2023, 03:31:47 PM
Anderson @ Mount Union
Should the Ravens pull the upset they'll face the winner of NYU and Lancaster Bible.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2023, 09:54:52 PM
Anderson trailed most of the game. Down 11 at halftime but were within 1 in the final couple of minutes. Mount Union finished on an 8-1 run to win 73-65.
Title: Re: MBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 14, 2023, 11:18:34 PM
All-Region (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2022-23/region-8-men) has been announced... pretty barren for the HCAC, just one player.

Second Team
G   Tate Ivanyo   Anderson