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Joel Gluskin

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2005, 03:50:39 pm »
Trinity(TX) beat DePauw, most likely handing DePauw a Pool C berth and taking one away from a bubble team.

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2005, 06:33:48 pm »
Just to let everyone know--

I have given up on trying to make a mock bracket of my Pool C picks based on this weekend's action.  As my alma-mater, Brandeis, is on the very crowded bubble for a Pool C, it would not be fair for me to make a mock bracket-- I just feel that there are a lot of ways for the national committee to go with their picks.

Here are what I feel are the top 12 Pool C candidates, going strictly by order of regional percentage-- only the top 2 are definitely Pool C locks, in my opinion:

1.)  Buena Vista-- 21-1  .955
2.)  Bates-- 23-2  .920
3.)  Oswego State-- 23-3  .885
4.)  DePauw-- 22-3  .880
5.)  Dickinson-- 22-3  .880
6.)  Wheaton (IL)-- 19-3  .864
7.)  Albion-- 19-3  .864
8.)  Whitworth-- 16-3  .842
9.)  Hardin-Simmons-- 20-4  .833
10.)  Brandeis-- 20-4  .833
11.)  Wesleyan-- 20-4  .833
12.)  King's-- 20-4  .833

The 13th top candidate is NYU with a 19-5 reg. record  (.792).  However, there are just too many good teams this year above .800 regional percentage.

I just hope that the national commitee can make a fair and just decision.

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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2005, 01:28:39 pm »
Pat,

Nice job on your projections I am counting 3 misses. (really 2) Unfortunately Wheaton was one of them including Hardin Simmons, Whitworth.  With the committee taking Weslelyan & McDaniel and DePauw sliding to Pool C with the loss to Trinity.

Being new to the process wondering your thoughts...
Were Wesleyan and McDaniel on your radar screen?
Is it typical for the NESCAC to get 3 teams?
Was it straight SOSI with these pool C's?

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2005, 01:42:37 pm »
Pat,

sorry I see McDaniel is an AQ...so you really only missed on Wheaton, was the Trinity upset our undoing?
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2005, 01:57:56 pm »
Not to speak for Pat, but it was a combination of the Trinity/Buena Vista upsets and that Wheaton's SOSI came in lower than expected.

Pat, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2005, 03:10:47 pm »
Joel,

thanks...what did wheaton fall from to 10.227? and where did Wesleyan end up?

didn't want to discount the Wheaton loss to IWU either...just wondering if the upsets had more of an impact or the loss to IWU or as I suspect a combination of both.  Could we say if we beat IWU we are in? or was our destiny not completely in our hands?
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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2005, 04:59:27 pm »
Joel, Huckleberry:

We had HSU and Wheaton on the premise that there would be no Sunday upsets.  We had to project winners for Sunday games or else run through countless permutations of the bracket.

I'm a little foggy on the details, but I think we would've had both DePauw and Dickinson in the bracket had they been considered Pool C teams.

What we didn't expect was Whitworth getting bumped for Wesleyan.  That was a surprise.

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2005, 10:43:59 pm »
Agreed -- and Wesleyan didn't expect it either. They didn't have anyone listening to the conference call last night and they had stopped practicing after their loss in the NESCAC quarterfinals.

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2005, 12:04:56 am »
That's the kind of info that's gotta make the committee feel all warm and fuzzy. Hope they didn't have their banquet already...

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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2005, 02:42:43 pm »
So did the committee go straight off the final SOSI?  was wesleyan higher than wheaton?
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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2005, 02:45:46 pm »
Sorry...i scrolled up further and found my answer

I see as of Saturday Wesleyan was 11.167  wheaton 10.409  so this seems to be the case.
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2005, 01:37:27 pm »
I think it did come down to SOSI.  Wesleyan's was the fifth best in the country and so much better than Whitworth's.

In terms of Wheaton, even without a DePauw and Buena Vista loss it would have been tough. I am not sure that Wheaton was ranked ahead of Oshkosh in the region even.  With adjustments to their SOSI they are almost even and Oshkosh had a much better record against ranked teams.

If they had beat IWU and lost to Millikin they would have had a slightly better chance. I think their SOSI would have been 10.522, which is better than Albion which was probably the last team in.

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Re: Pool C
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2005, 08:48:01 pm »
As we prepare to run the QOW for the first time this season, here's the final SOSI numbers from the 2004-05 regular season:

Teams 1-100
Bates     11.920
Bowdoin    11.810
Scranton    11.375
Millikin    11.364
Wesleyan    11.167
Randolph-Macon    11.077
Springfield    10.957
Howard Payne    10.880
Trinity (Texas)    10.864
Oswego State    10.846
Southern Maine    10.769
Emmanuel    10.769
Staten Island    10.760
Mount St. Mary    10.741
King's    10.708
Salem State    10.640
Messiah    10.625
Buena Vista    10.591
DePauw    10.520
George Fox    10.500
Mary Washington    10.500
McDaniel    10.481
Baldwin-Wallace    10.480
Albion    10.409
Washington U.    10.350
UW-Stout    10.350
DeSales    10.320
Whitworth    10.316
UW-Oshkosh    10.308
Hardin-Simmons    10.292
Brandeis    10.292
Dickinson    10.280
Moravian    10.280
Ithaca    10.250
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.227
New York University    10.208
Greensboro    10.182
New Jersey    10.174
Wilmington    10.160
Catholic    10.115
Calvin    10.100
St. Benedict    10.042
Kenyon    10.000
Alvernia    10.000
Williams    10.000
Maine Maritime    9.958
Hope    9.955
Fitchburg State    9.926
Johns Hopkins    9.870
UW-Stevens Point    9.846
Maryville (Mo.)    9.833
William Smith    9.826
Norwich    9.818
St. John Fisher    9.760
Cortland State    9.731
Brockport State    9.720
Simpson    9.714
Concordia-Moorhead    9.696
Worcester State    9.696
Ripon    9.682
Washington and Jefferson    9.650
Carleton    9.640
Bridgewater (Va.)    9.640
Mount Holyoke    9.636
Richard Stockton    9.593
Frostburg State    9.565
Webster    9.560
Maine-Farmington    9.556
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.520
McMurry    9.462
Colby-Sawyer    9.440
Lebanon Valley    9.435
Capital    9.400
Westminster (Pa.)    9.360
Oneonta State    9.346
Franklin    9.318
Denison    9.250
Sewanee    9.240
Amherst    9.231
Union    9.217
St. Lawrence    9.200
Puget Sound    9.182
Lawrence    9.182
Baruch    9.182
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.158
UW-River Falls    9.150
Cal Lutheran    9.143
Wesley    9.083
Transylvania    9.050
Luther    9.043
Tufts    9.043
Babson    9.038
Rowan    9.037
Austin    9.000
Chapman    9.000
Western New England    9.000
Pitt-Greensburg    9.000
Eastern Connecticut    8.963
Wittenberg    8.960
Illinois Wesleyan    8.958
               
Teams 101-200
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Roanoke    8.923
Edgewood    8.917
Rochester    8.913
Concordia-Austin    8.909
Ohio Wesleyan    8.889
Stevens    8.870
Case Western Reserve    8.850
Piedmont    8.842
Castleton State    8.833
Villa Julie    8.833
Rockford    8.833
Marymount    8.826
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    8.800
St. Norbert    8.792
Mississippi College    8.783
Endicott    8.778
Clark    8.778
Otterbein    8.739
UW-Eau Claire    8.739
Pacific Lutheran    8.737
Allegheny    8.731
Bridgewater State    8.667
Emory and Henry    8.654
Chicago    8.636
Chowan    8.611
Husson    8.565
St. Mary's (Minn.)    8.560
Redlands    8.550
UW-Whitewater    8.524
Mary Hardin-Baylor    8.522
Montclair State    8.500
Widener    8.480
Thomas More    8.462
Rutgers-Newark    8.462
Wartburg    8.435
Medaille    8.435
Salisbury    8.435
Louisiana College    8.429
Suffolk    8.423
William Paterson    8.423
Grove City    8.409
Gwynedd-Mercy    8.370
Fredonia State    8.360
Rhodes    8.350
Utica    8.320
Coast Guard    8.320
Hamilton    8.304
Illinois College    8.263
Drew    8.261
Simmons    8.250
St. Mary's (Md.)    8.240
Ferrum    8.227
Whitman    8.222
Lehman    8.208
Middlebury    8.208
Hendrix    8.190
Eastern Mennonite    8.167
Keene State    8.148
Gustavus Adolphus    8.136
Elmhurst    8.130
RPI    8.087
Hood    8.087
Linfield    8.053
Nazareth    8.050
Lake Forest    8.045
Gordon    8.038
UW-Platteville    8.000
Misericordia    8.000
Chestnut Hill    7.960
Salve Regina    7.960
Lakeland    7.875
Penn State-Behrend    7.840
Delaware Valley    7.826
Hunter    7.808
Susquehanna    7.783
FDU-Florham    7.783
Rose-Hulman    7.773
Westminster (Mo.)    7.750
Thomas    7.696
Coe    7.667
Kings Point    7.667
Swarthmore    7.667
North Central    7.650
Hartwick    7.636
Virginia Wesleyan    7.625
Connecticut College    7.619
Washington and Lee    7.609
Defiance    7.600
Rosemont    7.600
Nebraska Wesleyan    7.571
Peace    7.565
Gettysburg    7.560
Geneseo State    7.560
Mt. St. Joseph    7.545
Southwestern    7.545
Marian    7.522
Ramapo    7.500
Benedictine    7.500
Ohio Northern    7.500
East Texas Baptist    7.476
               
Teams 201-300
St. Thomas    7.458
Eureka    7.423
La Verne    7.412
Loras    7.409
Hanover    7.400
Rhode Island College    7.400
Westfield State    7.400
Cabrini    7.391
Mount Ida    7.385
Wheaton (Mass.)    7.348
Roger Williams    7.346
Carthage    7.333
Kalamazoo    7.333
Wooster    7.318
Keuka    7.313
Manhattanville    7.308
Marietta    7.304
Worcester Polytech    7.250
Muhlenberg    7.240
Eastern    7.238
Cazenovia    7.235
Texas Lutheran    7.227
UW-La Crosse    7.217
Wellesley    7.200
Fontbonne    7.200
Ursinus    7.200
St. Joseph (Conn.)    7.200
Guilford    7.192
Kean    7.182
University of New England    7.167
Heidelberg    7.160
John Carroll    7.136
Mass-Dartmouth    7.115
Baptist Bible    7.100
Huntingdon    7.100
Western Connecticut    7.087
Maranatha Baptist    7.063
New York City Tech    7.043
North Park    7.000
Stephens    7.000
Albertus Magnus    6.957
Buffalo State    6.955
Elizabethtown    6.955
Lycoming    6.955
New Jersey City    6.950
Elms    6.917
Emory    6.913
Methodist    6.875
York (Pa.)    6.833
Occidental    6.824
Oberlin    6.800
Christopher Newport    6.773
New England College    6.769
Willamette    6.765
Fisk    6.765
Averett    6.760
Trinity (Conn.)    6.750
Franklin and Marshall    6.750
Plymouth State    6.739
Millsaps    6.667
York (N.Y.)    6.650
Mary Baldwin    6.615
Notre Dame (Md.)    6.609
Plattsburgh State    6.591
Skidmore    6.583
Wisconsin Lutheran    6.583
Alma    6.533
Carroll    6.524
Centenary    6.520
St. Olaf    6.500
Rochester Tech    6.480
New Paltz State    6.458
Pomona-Pitzer    6.450
Pitt-Bradford    6.409
SUNY-Old Westbury    6.409
Lynchburg    6.391
St. Joseph's (Maine)    6.385
Lasell    6.375
St. Mary's (Ind.)    6.316
Brooklyn    6.304
Emerson    6.286
Rutgers-Camden    6.261
Shenandoah    6.250
Centre    6.208
Wentworth Tech    6.208
La Roche    6.182
Manchester    6.182
Thiel    6.182
Eastern Nazarene    6.125
LaGrange    6.111
Greenville    6.105
Beloit    6.100
Central    6.100
Adrian    6.095
Texas-Dallas    6.091
Colby    6.087
Aurora    6.074
Pine Manor    6.043
Bethel    6.042
Monmouth    6.000
               
Teams 301-400
Becker    6.000
Grinnell    6.000
Elmira    6.000
Oglethorpe    6.000
Gallaudet    5.947
Augustana    5.947
Pacific    5.941
Whittier    5.933
Bethany    5.905
Blackburn    5.900
Albright    5.864
Dubuque    5.857
Waynesburg    5.833
Vassar    5.810
UW-Superior    5.778
Smith    5.778
University of Dallas    5.769
Mt. St. Vincent    5.737
Mount Union    5.727
MacMurray    5.700
Penn State-Altoona    5.696
D'Youville    5.667
Colorado College    5.667
Concordia (Wis.)    5.652
Lesley    5.652
Muskingum    5.636
North Carolina Wesleyan    5.619
Neumann    5.619
Trinity (D.C.)    5.600
Hiram    5.600
Alfred    5.583
Nichols    5.560
Anderson    5.500
Marywood    5.435
Hamline    5.409
Mass-Boston    5.391
Carnegie Mellon    5.391
Curry    5.375
Milwaukee Engineering    5.364
St. Joseph's (L.I.)    5.348
Lincoln    5.333
Juniata    5.318
University of the Ozarks    5.286
St. Catherine's    5.286
Russell Sage    5.261
Augsburg    5.190
Hollins    5.182
Lewis and Clark    5.158
UC Santa Cruz    5.154
Newbury    5.154
Clarke    5.150
Sul Ross State    5.143
CCNY    5.130
Concordia (Ill.)    5.091
Olivet    5.059
SUNYIT    5.048
Immaculata    5.043
Southern Vermont    5.000
Meredith    5.000
John Jay    5.000
Wilkes    4.957
Massachusetts College    4.955
Agnes Scott    4.929
Clarkson    4.909
Anna Maria    4.880
Washington College    4.875
Dominican    4.818
Goucher    4.800
Bluffton    4.750
Regis (Mass.)    4.739
St. Elizabeth    4.714
Daniel Webster    4.700
Framingham State    4.682
MIT    4.682
Earlham    4.682
Johnson State    4.636
Rust    4.600
Randolph-Macon Woman's    4.571
Hilbert    4.478
Bryn Mawr    4.450
LeTourneau    4.429
Philadelphia Bible    4.333
Johnson and Wales    4.333
Arcadia    4.273
Haverford    4.263
Schreiner    4.217
Macalester    4.167
Alverno    4.158
Medgar Evers    4.000
Cedar Crest    4.000
Wilson    4.000
Wheelock    3.905
Caltech    3.867
Bard    3.786
Polytechnic    3.733
Cornell    3.579
Knox    3.579
Bay Path    3.524
Potsdam State    3.500
Wesleyan (Ga.)    3.467
               
Teams 401+
Principia    3.357
Chatham    3.158
SUNY-Maritime    3.000
Rivier    2.952
Lake Erie    2.950
New Rochelle    2.667
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Re: Pool C
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2005, 10:08:26 pm »
This season's Top 100, through Dec. 25:

DePauw     13.833
Pacific Lutheran    13.000
Southern Maine    12.875
Middlebury    12.667
Scranton    12.600
UW-La Crosse    12.375
Bowdoin    12.167
Moravian    12.111
McMurry    12.000
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    11.750
Virginia Wesleyan    11.667
Brandeis    11.667
Emory    11.600
Baldwin-Wallace    11.429
Luther    11.400
Clark    11.375
Calvin    11.333
Salem State    11.333
Johns Hopkins    11.333
Oglethorpe    11.286
Richard Stockton    11.250
Lawrence    11.200
Capital    11.143
Kean    11.000
St. John Fisher    11.000
New York University    11.000
Mississippi College    10.875
Bates    10.857
Washington and Jefferson    10.857
Hope    10.857
Fredonia State    10.750
Howard Payne    10.750
Mount Holyoke    10.714
Muhlenberg    10.667
Chicago    10.667
Randolph-Macon    10.667
Oneonta State    10.625
Lewis and Clark    10.500
Keene State    10.429
Rochester    10.429
Otterbein    10.400
Williams    10.375
UW-Oshkosh    10.333
Olivet    10.333
Messiah    10.286
Fitchburg State    10.286
Cortland State    10.200
Eastern Connecticut    10.167
Bridgewater State    10.167
Hardin-Simmons    10.125
Carroll    10.000
McDaniel    10.000
Wesleyan    10.000
Emmanuel    10.000
St. Benedict    10.000
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.000
Catholic    9.875
Hunter    9.857
Maine-Farmington    9.800
St. Norbert    9.800
Wilmington    9.778
Gustavus Adolphus    9.750
Gwynedd-Mercy    9.714
Medaille    9.714
King's    9.714
Kenyon    9.667
Concordia-Moorhead    9.667
Lake Forest    9.625
Salve Regina    9.625
Wheaton (Mass.)    9.625
Salisbury    9.600
Delaware Valley    9.600
Sewanee    9.600
Brockport State    9.571
Colby-Sawyer    9.571
Tufts    9.500
St. Thomas    9.500
Rosemont    9.500
Piedmont    9.500
Manchester    9.400
Utica    9.400
Mary Washington    9.400
Nazareth    9.400
University of New England    9.375
Puget Sound    9.333
Franklin    9.333
Vassar    9.333
Mount St. Mary    9.333
Hendrix    9.333
Illinois Wesleyan    9.333
Greensboro    9.250
Bethel    9.250
Babson    9.250
Rockford    9.222
Rhode Island College    9.222
William Paterson    9.222
Trinity (Conn.)    9.200
Maine Maritime    9.167
New England College    9.167
Lakeland/Springfield/Marian    9.143
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Re: Pool C
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2005, 11:16:56 pm »
Pat,

I'd ask the same question I asked on the men's board, but I suspect I'd get the same answer! ;D

Instead, based on your memory, would you say that 10.4 is about the bottom of the 'probably safe' range, while 10.1 is about the top of the 'you have a chance, but...' range?  I realize there are probably exceptions at both ends, but do I have the range about right?