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Re: Pool C
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2005, 11:22:14 pm »
Oh, I'll be honest -- with so many more Pool C bids this year I don't suspect it matters much where the old floor was.
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Re: Pool C
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2005, 11:37:35 pm »
Fair enough! ;D

I guess we're into a whole new ballgame on what QOW (SOSI) is good enough to make 'the dance'!

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Re: Pool C
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2005, 09:13:09 am »
You guys may have already touched on this, but can you explain SOS to me, and point me to where I can find a reference? I just want to judge our non-conference schedule versus the "norm", or average, I guess.
Feel free to email me as well.
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Re: Pool C
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2005, 11:28:15 am »
Keith, good morning!

Please refer to the NCAA Handbook for the details on the QOWI  (SOS)

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf

and under the FAQ...

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament

Aurora is in Pool B, so you can find the combined wisdom  ??? of multiple pundits as the season progresses.

For the lurkers, Aurora and the NIIC are competing with the GSAC, the Pres AC, and Chapman, among others for the Pool B bids.  After the Pool B bids are allocated, then the remaining teams are moved to Pool C.

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Re: Pool C
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2005, 12:54:13 pm »
Ralph,
Thanks for the info! I am lost with the whole Pool B and C bids...we got killed non-conference, but as a first year staff, we hope to make a run in conference. However, I remember in my playing days (98 or so), Simpson (IA) went like 23-3, won the conference, but didn't get a bid..and since our record wont be nearly that pretty, and we dont have an AQ this year, we may be out of luck even IF we get hot in conference...could you foresee no NIIC teams getting in (on the ladies side)? or better yet,  would QOWI impact a decision if, lets say, Rockford didn't win the conference, but had 3-4 losses, and another NIIC team wins conference with a .500 record or better...I'm looking at non-conference in region games, so could you have a team with a better QOWI but worse record?

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Re: Pool C
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2005, 04:21:17 pm »
Keith,  I will give my opinion here, but feel free to email me for other questions as you wish.

The Primary Selection criteria are listed, so there is some "wiggle" room for the committee when they select.

I see the NIIC has 3 major contenders for 4 slots...W&J/Pres AC, Chapman and the GSAC champ/Maryville TN.  I also don't know whether the NEAC teams will mount a challenge, e.g. Villa Julie College.  I also think that the NIIC will get one bid, so probably the "Champion" will get it.

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Re: Pool C
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2005, 05:15:06 pm »
So far Rockford and Eureka both have good tournament résumés. Remember that even if someone upsets one of them in the NIIC tournament, that wouldn't guarantee them the front-runner spot for a Pool B bid. The winner of the conference tournament is not guaranteed anything, basically, aside from what they earn in the season as a whole.

At 3-7 in region, Aurora pretty much has to run the table to end up 17-7 in region and be in good shape for a Pool B bid. Current QOW: 7.600.
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Re: Pool C
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2006, 03:17:09 pm »
Pat,

This is probably a dumb question, but that's never stopped me before.   ::)

The QoWI is posted on D3fb as a regular feature/link.  Have you given any thought to doing that on D3hoops, or do the number of teams participating and the frequency of games make it more work than it's worth? 

While we're on the subject of QoWI, you might want to update the site FAQ.  It still uses the term "SoSI."   

Thank'ee ...

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Re: Pool C
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2006, 08:33:20 pm »
Number of games, frequency of games, and schools who don't post scores make it impossible to update the QOWSOSPOSi on a regular basis.
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Re: Pool C
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2006, 04:52:51 pm »
QOW through Thursday night's games:

1-10
Scranton     12.800
DePauw    12.444
Pacific Lutheran    12.375
McMurry    11.929
Southern Maine    11.857
Baldwin-Wallace    11.750
Hope    11.714
Wesleyan    11.636
Bowdoin    11.636
Messiah    11.455

11-20
Brandeis    11.333
Oglethorpe    11.250
St. John Fisher    11.182
Rochester    11.154
New York University    11.143
Salem State    11.091
Williams    11.000
Washington U.    10.875
Hardin-Simmons    10.846
Middlebury    10.833

21-30
Randolph-Macon    10.833
Mary Washington    10.818
Bates    10.769
Chicago    10.727
George Fox    10.714
Mississippi College    10.692
Moravian    10.643
Muhlenberg    10.643
Mount St. Mary    10.615
Eastern Connecticut    10.615
               
31-40
Carroll    10.600
Capital    10.538
Lawrence    10.500
Richard Stockton    10.462
Gwynedd-Mercy    10.462
Clark    10.462
Trinity (Texas)    10.429
Maryville (Mo.)    10.400
Cortland State    10.364
UW-Oshkosh    10.286
               
41-50
Mount Holyoke    10.250
UW-La Crosse    10.250
Medaille    10.250
Catholic    10.231
Otterbein    10.214
Concordia-Moorhead    10.167
Virginia Wesleyan    10.167
Springfield    10.143
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.111
Puget Sound    10.091
               
51-60
Howard Payne    10.077
Gustavus Adolphus    10.077
RPI    10.000
Calvin    10.000
Illinois Wesleyan    10.000
Union    10.000
Oneonta State    9.917
Simpson    9.875
Franklin    9.846
St. Norbert    9.818
               
61-70
McDaniel    9.800
Millikin    9.750
St. Benedict    9.727
Maine Maritime    9.727
Washington and Jefferson    9.727
Johns Hopkins    9.727
Luther    9.700
St. Lawrence    9.700
William Smith    9.667
DeSales    9.643
               
71-80
Norwich    9.636
Wilmington    9.625
Bridgewater (Va.)    9.600
Emory    9.600
Fredonia State    9.583
Bridgewater State    9.583
Ripon    9.545
Colby-Sawyer    9.538
Salisbury    9.500
Albright    9.500

81-90
Chapman    9.500
University of New England    9.462
William Paterson    9.429
Maine-Farmington    9.364
Oswego State    9.364
Western New England    9.364
Buena Vista    9.333
New Jersey    9.308
UW-Stevens Point    9.286
Hanover    9.273

91-100
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    9.250
Wittenberg    9.250
Widener    9.200
Kean    9.200
Wesley    9.200
Kenyon    9.182
Nichols    9.167
Montclair State    9.154
Rockford    9.143
Emmanuel    9.100
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Re: Pool C
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2006, 04:47:53 pm »
QOW index through games of Thursday, Jan. 26:
1-10
DePauw     12.727
Scranton    12.583
Southern Maine    11.938
Hope    11.867
Baldwin-Wallace    11.857
Williams    11.813
New York University    11.750
Pacific Lutheran    11.700
Bowdoin    11.667
Rochester    11.533
               
11-20
Wesleyan    11.500
Mary Washington    11.385
Messiah    11.308
Brandeis    11.286
McMurry    11.250
Bates    11.200
Oglethorpe    10.786
Trinity (Texas)    10.778
Randolph-Macon    10.733
Lawrence    10.727
               
21-30
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.727
Concordia-Moorhead    10.714
Washington U.    10.700
Eastern Connecticut    10.688
Carroll    10.667
St. John Fisher    10.643
Mississippi College    10.625
Cortland State    10.615
Mount St. Mary    10.600
Middlebury    10.467
               
31-40
Hardin-Simmons    10.400
Puget Sound    10.385
Moravian    10.375
Mount Holyoke    10.357
Richard Stockton    10.333
UW-Oshkosh    10.313
Virginia Wesleyan    10.308
Medaille    10.286
Gwynedd-Mercy    10.267
Muhlenberg    10.235
               
41-50
Illinois Wesleyan    10.214
Salem State    10.214
Catholic    10.188
William Smith    10.167
Capital    10.143
Union    10.133
UW-La Crosse    10.071
Oneonta State    10.071
McDaniel    10.000
Calvin    10.000
               
51-60
Johns Hopkins    10.000
Norwich    10.000
Chicago    10.000
Emory    10.000
Greensboro    10.000
George Fox    10.000
Albright    9.929
Emmanuel    9.923
Simpson    9.900
Maryville (Mo.)    9.857
               
61-70
Washington and Jefferson    9.846
UW-Stevens Point    9.813
Colby-Sawyer    9.800
Howard Payne    9.800
Gustavus Adolphus    9.800
Wittenberg    9.786
Springfield    9.750
Chapman    9.727
Bridgewater State    9.714
Maine-Farmington    9.714
               
71-80
Bridgewater (Va.)    9.706
Baruch    9.643
Otterbein    9.625
St. Norbert    9.615
Franklin    9.600
UW-Stout    9.538
Fredonia State    9.533
RPI    9.500
Lake Forest    9.500
Hood    9.500
               
81-90
St. Lawrence    9.462
St. Benedict    9.462
Maine Maritime    9.429
Luther    9.417
New Jersey    9.333
Endicott    9.333
Rockford    9.313
Wesley    9.308
DeSales    9.294
Kean    9.294
               
91-100
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.286
Oswego State    9.286
Wilmington    9.278
Clark    9.250
Ripon    9.231
Olivet    9.222
Montclair State    9.200
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    9.200
Elmira    9.200
Millikin    9.143
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Re: Pool C
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2006, 11:46:58 am »
On the men's Pool C message board, I have listed the teams with the best In-Region Percentages, which is one of the criteria in the Men's and Women's Handbook.

Here are the Regional Standings for the women.  For this listing I am have assumed that the team in conference with the best in-region record will be the Pool A bid from that conference.

Northeast Region

Southern Maine (LEC) 16 1 .941  18 1 .947 
Bowdoin (NESCAC) 14 2 .875  17 2 .895 
Eastern Connecticut (LEC) 16 3 .842  17 3 .850 
Williams (NESCAC) 15 3 .833  18 3 .857 
Maine-Farmington (NAC-E) 14 3 .824  15 3 .833  
*Brandeis (UAA) 14 3 .824  14 3 .824 
Norwich (GNAC) 13 3 .813  18 3 .857 
**Bridgewater State (MASCAC) 13 3 .813  16 3 .842 
Salem State (MASCAC) 13 3 .813  16 3 .842 
Mount Holyoke (NEWMAC) 13 3 .813  15 3 .833 
Maine Maritime (NAC-E) 13 3 .813  14 3 .824 
Emmanuel (GNAC) 13 3 .813  15 5 .750              6 teams > .799

Colby-Sawyer (CCC-N) 14 4 .778  14 4 .778 
Wesleyan (NESCAC) 14 4 .778  14 6 .700 
Springfield (NEWMAC) 13 5 .722  15 5 .750 
Bates (NESCAC) 13 5 .722  14 7 .667 
Nichols (CCC-S) 12 5 .706  13 6 .684                 10 teams >.699

*Washington StL leads that UAA and has the best in-region record.
**Salem St has the better QOWI.
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Re: Pool C
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2006, 11:51:43 am »
East Region

Medaille (AMCC) 16 1 .941  17 1 .944 
Cortland State (SUNYAC) 15 1 .938  16 2 .889 
*New York University (UAA) 17 2 .895  17 2 .895 
St. John Fisher (E8) 15 2 .882  17 2 .895  
*Rochester (UAA) 15 3 .833  15 4 .789 
St. Lawrence (LL) 13 3 .813  13 6 .684  
William Smith (LL) 12 3 .800  14 4 .778           3 teams >.799

Oneonta State (SUNYAC) 13 4 .765  14 5 .737
Oswego State (SUNYAC) 12 4 .750  13 5 .722 
Utica (E8) 11 4 .733  14 4 .778                       6 teams >.699

*WashStL has the best record in the UAA.

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Re: Pool C
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2006, 11:55:29 am »
Atlantic Region

Mary Washington (CAC) 15 0 1.000  19 0 1.000 
Mount St. Mary (SKY) 16 2 .889  18 2 .900  
Richard Stockton (NJAC) 15 3 .833  16 4 .800        0 teams >.799

Baruch (CUNYAC) 13 3 .813  15 5 .750 
*Frostburg State (AMCC) 11 4 .733  13 5 .722 
Catholic (CAC) 13 5 .722  15 5 .750 
Rutgers-Newark (NJAC) 14 6 .700  14 6 .700              3 teams>.699

* Medaille has the best record in the AMCC

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Re: Pool C
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2006, 11:58:16 am »
Mid-Atlantic Region

Scranton (MACF) 14 0 1.000  19 1 .950 
Messiah (MACC) 14 1 .933  18 2 .900 
Muhlenberg (CC) 18 2 .900  18 2 .900  
Johns Hopkins (CC) 13 2 .867  15 4 .789 
Gwynedd-Mercy (PnAC) 15 3 .833  16 3 .842    1 team>.799

Moravian (MACC) 15 4 .789  16 4 .800 
McDaniel (CC) 15 4 .789  15 5 .750 
Baptist Bible (NEAC) 11 3 .786  14 4 .778   Pool B candidate
Dickinson (CC) 14 5 .737  14 5 .737 
Chestnut Hill (AWCC) 10 4 .714  13 5 .722  4 non-Pool B teams >.699


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