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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43980 on: February 19, 2017, 12:41:40 am »
Hope has the yips from in close the last few games.  Wasn't disappointed in the effort only its execution.  Hope played really tough d the last 1/4 of the game and OT, had many stops they just didn't get rewarded for.

Season finish now looks a lot more like 2014 than 2012 or better.  Up to the Dutchmen to figure out how badly they want it.


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Right now, Trine's walking away with it from what I've watched the last two weeks.  A couple teams can change that.
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43981 on: February 19, 2017, 08:09:33 am »
A few more thoughts from Calvin's 65-62 overtime win at Hope.

--40% shooting field goals, 26% shooting three pointers, 40% shooting free throws, and 22 turnovers aren't stats you expect from the winning team. The Knights did redeem themselves on the boards, out-rebounding Hope 51-33 (including 20 on the offensive end).

Some random reflections on Hope v Calvin II:
  • In the spirit of KnightSlappy's reflection, it's equally surprising that a team could get massively outrebounded, shoot 5 of 26 3-point shots, have a starter in street clothes, have it's normal bench players outscored 44 to 9 . . . and still be tied with a chance to win at the game's end. All that leaves this Hope fan hope-full for a hoped-for rematch next Saturday.
  • I can't remember previously watching a game with the two halves resulting in identical scores (30-30 followed by 30-30)
  • In the aftermath of some MIAA coaching tantrums and technicals, both coaches seemed admirably focused on positive coaching, with only occasional--and appropriate--questioning of referee calls.
  • Three Calvin starters logged 15 minutes or less in 45 minutes of play.
  • The game was a sell-out, but there were empty seats, including bleacher seats, in both the Hope and Calvin sections.

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43982 on: February 19, 2017, 09:14:12 am »
There was a lot of hubbub from the home fans in overtime when Nick Kronemeyer dove for a loose ball and dished it to Cam Denney for a fast break dunk with about 2:51 remaining (this gave Calvin a lead they wouldn't relinquish). The DeVos crowd wanted a travel on Kronemeyer for sliding along the court with the basketball, however the officials correctly ruled it to be a legal play.

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43983 on: February 19, 2017, 11:02:01 am »
Ryan Gamm, Rockford HS, 6'7", forward, will attend Hope next year.

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43984 on: February 19, 2017, 12:11:04 pm »
Alma attempted 50 3-point shots against Olivet and made 25 in their 113-90 win.  Olivet attempted 30
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43985 on: February 19, 2017, 12:21:20 pm »
Alma attempted 50 3-point shots against Olivet and made 25 in their 113-90 win.  Olivet attempted 30
http://miaa.org/sports/mbkb/2016-17/boxscores/20170218_tndl.xml
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43986 on: February 19, 2017, 02:10:28 pm »
Despite yesterday's loss, Hope could still possibly host a pod in the NCAA Tournament if they win the MIAA AQ. Not a slam dunk by any means.

If they win the AQ but do not host, they'll likely be sent to a second-tier host site (a team ranked 2nd or 3rd in their region). Possibilities include Hanover, UW-Whitewater, and St. John Fisher. Wash U. would be a worst case scenario.

If they do host they'll probably get at least one big name program to the pod. Could be CCIW champ (assuming they don't host), NCAC champ, or a WIAC runner up (depending on if they need to draw teams from the east or west to balance the bracket) Unlikely to see anyone from the OAC unless someone other than Marietta or John Carroll wins the AQ. The first round opponent could be HCAC, MWC (St. Norbert), NATHC (Benedictine), or even a SUNYAC like Brockport, if they get in. I doubt they'll see the AMCC or PAC champion in the first round; those should go to pods of higher ranked teams.

If Alma, Calvin, or Trine win the AQ, they'll hit the road and probably play a highly ranked host in the first round. Marietta, Wash U., and Rochester (within 500 miles for all three) would be very good possibilities. Maybe Whitewater if they win out (none of the MIAAs can get to River Falls within 500 miles). Could also be candidates to fly to Whitman to fill out that pod.
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43987 on: February 19, 2017, 05:17:09 pm »
That second Central Region host is going to be a tough one:

Even though Washington-St.Louis is in position to host from the Central Region, they may not since their women's program is ranked #1 in their region and would be in-line to host this year (odd year, 1st weekend priority to women).  So then you're looking at Eau Claire/Whitewater or CCIW Champion, possibly even Benedictine as the other Central Region host.  As KS notes River Falls is just out of range at 520+ miles, putting a 2nd regional site a mere 40 miles from River Falls in Eau Claire might be troublesome.



So, if Hope should make it in the field I think they'd be looking at Hanover, Central Region 2nd host, Marietta, hosting themselves or flying someplace exotic.  Something like 35-35-15-10-5 probabilities attached.
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43988 on: February 19, 2017, 06:00:46 pm »
Sometimes with those situations, they would put a regional somewhere where Wash U is still the highest-seeded team there, but the third-seeded team or someone else might be given the hosting rights.
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43989 on: February 19, 2017, 09:56:28 pm »
Sometimes with those situations, they would put a regional somewhere where Wash U is still the highest-seeded team there, but the third-seeded team or someone else might be given the hosting rights.

To expand on that, sometimes the entire bracket just moves to another school. That isn't always possible, but it appears to have happened in the past.

Also keep in mind what the committee has done the last few years... they are already "seeding" the Top 16 across the country. While the top two in each region equals 16, that doesn't mean the second-ranked team will get a hosting chance. And of course, geographics like Texas this year will play a significant role.
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43990 on: February 19, 2017, 11:35:45 pm »
Alma's 50 3-point attempts has to be a league record.  At least a high going back to Trine's 2 year experiment with system ball.
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43991 on: February 20, 2017, 07:51:29 am »
I was at the hope-calvin game and it wasn't pretty, but both teams played all out for pride.   The officials were kind of one sided in the 1st half.  Canonie got 3 offensive fouls, one a charge, one on scrambling for a loose ball and the most bizarre call i have ever seen,  a foul called on a offensive pass that his hand glanced off the defender on the follow through and than the ref went to the monitor to see if it was a flagrant call!

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43992 on: February 20, 2017, 08:54:48 am »
Hope has the yips from in close the last few games.  Wasn't disappointed in the effort only its execution.  Hope played really tough d the last 1/4 of the game and OT, had many stops they just didn't get rewarded for.

Season finish now looks a lot more like 2014 than 2012 or better.  Up to the Dutchmen to figure out how badly they want it.


Trine vs Calvin in semi #1
Alma vs Hope in semi #2

Right now, Trine's walking away with it from what I've watched the last two weeks.  A couple teams can change that.

What is the deal on tickets?   Are a certain number available to each school in the tournament, or are they just available at the door?

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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43993 on: February 20, 2017, 09:00:36 am »
Hope has the yips from in close the last few games.  Wasn't disappointed in the effort only its execution.  Hope played really tough d the last 1/4 of the game and OT, had many stops they just didn't get rewarded for.

Season finish now looks a lot more like 2014 than 2012 or better.  Up to the Dutchmen to figure out how badly they want it.


Trine vs Calvin in semi #1
Alma vs Hope in semi #2

Right now, Trine's walking away with it from what I've watched the last two weeks.  A couple teams can change that.

What is the deal on tickets?   Are a certain number available to each school in the tournament, or are they just available at the door?

In the past it's always been something like 1/2 of the tickets go to the host, and 1/6 each to the other 4 teams.  Each school should have their own allotment of tickets.
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Re: MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
« Reply #43994 on: February 20, 2017, 09:00:58 am »
I was at the hope-calvin game and it wasn't pretty, but both teams played all out for pride.   The officials were kind of one sided in the 1st half.  Canonie got 3 offensive fouls, one a charge, one on scrambling for a loose ball and the most bizarre call i have ever seen,  a foul called on a offensive pass that his hand glanced off the defender on the follow through and than the ref went to the monitor to see if it was a flagrant call!

That last call looked a little different on video than what you saw.  I agree that it wasn't close to being flagrant, but it was an elbow not a hand that hit Hawkins in the face.  Canonie was swinging his elbows high, which is probably what prompted the flagrant review.  Certainly didn't appear intentional, but I think a foul call is likely any time you get those elbows up high and make contact even if you're in the act of passing.