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Title: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2011, 02:57:49 PM
Given that there are some topics being discussed on the SCAC board that pertain solely to the new SAA (potential teams, etc.) it seemed a good time to actually create a board for that discussion.

There's not a huge amount of actually 2011 SCAC football-related discussion going on on the SCAC board, but it still might be nice to keep the two topics (and conferences) separate. 

Pat will no doubt merge or delete this if he disagrees.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 25, 2011, 04:12:34 PM
OK... so to kick things off over here (and assuming Pat doesn't merge us back in  ;) )...

The discussion in the SCAC board about Berry adding football mentioned that OU is considering restarting football.   What's people about how serious the discussions have been?   OU put a bunch of money into converting their stadium into a baseball field so I wonder if they would undo that if they restarted their program?

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 25, 2011, 05:14:54 PM
Hendrix plans to start football, but that decision has been postponed so many times.  I wonder if it will take the pressure of a new conference to force the issue.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2011, 05:15:28 PM
Hendrix is official for 2013.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2011, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2011, 05:15:28 PM
Hendrix is official for 2013.

Hendrix saying such:  http://www.hendrix.edu/news/news.aspx?id=52886

One such media story from last summer:  http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2011/06/07/hendrix-ready-to-play-some-football

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 25, 2011, 09:38:12 PM
I am wondering if Mike dubose will land at either berry or hendrix to start up their programs as head coach.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2011, 11:51:43 PM
Quote from: cush on October 25, 2011, 09:38:12 PM
I am wondering if Mike dubose will land at either berry or hendrix to start up their programs as head coach.

I think Coach DuBose is done with D3.   Millsaps threw him a lifeline when nobody else would have anything to do with him.  He brought that program to national prominence and as a result landed a job back in D1 as DL coach for Memphis.    Hard to see him having the passion to return to D3 where he would make a fraction of what he is now and would have to schlep a lot of his own stuff around again.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 26, 2011, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2011, 11:51:43 PM
I think Coach DuBose is done with D3.   
Yep, I'd say you're right on that.  Tho', given Memphis's rather pointed lack of success , one would wonder if anyone on that staff would be attractive to other D1 programs.

Who ends up coaching at Berry and Hendrix is one of the more interesting story lines in the entire SAA saga.   You could see them go the same route that B-SC did in bringing a hotshot prospect with the risk of having them bolt to the other divisions at first opportunity.    My guess would be that you would see a higher chance of Hendrix doing so given the personalities of their administration; they seem to be the types that would want to get the quick hit early.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2011, 10:18:53 AM
Hmm.  President Cloyd said in an interview earlier this year that there will not be a football stadium built at HX, just a field where everyone will bring their lawn chairs to watch games.  Hard to imagine a go-getter wanting to start up in that environment, plus Cloyd was quoted as saying some of the SCAC-left-behinds weren't up to SAA standards.   The combination of those two factors is not going to make it easy to find a coach (or, perhaps, student athletes). 

The BSC situation was a bit different.  This was a school in the midst of the move from D1 to D3 and there likely was some D1 'just win baby' mentality left when they hired Joey Jones and let him bring in whatever marginal students to play football (many dropped after the fall semester because they weren't able to keep up in the classroom) ... plus they're used to having extremely good facilities for D3, since most of them were used for D1.  From what I've seen of the football facility, it is not only new but top notch for D3. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 26, 2011, 04:36:36 PM
Interesting... I had not seen that interview.   I'll admit to some surprise as the interactions I've had with people from Hendrix had me thinking that of their administration as being rather image conscious. Dr. Cloyd's comment about their football stadium would contradict that.      It would bode unwell for them actually getting a program started, IMO.   

As for B-SC, I've been surprised that B-SC managed to recover as well as they did from what happened with Jones's players.  I'd agree about their facilities; their football stadium is as good or better than some of the nice D3 venues I've been to in Ohio and Indiana.    It's one of the places I point towards when talk at Sewanee occasionally turns towards  renovating the stands at Harris-McGee Field.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2011, 11:41:25 AM
Hey Hendrix, Berry, anyone else looking for a coach who knows the South ... Houston Nutt will be available after the end of the current season and might be interested, you never know.  :-)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 08, 2011, 12:06:42 PM
Houston Nutt in the SAA --- Now that would make for an interesting times in the league.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on November 29, 2011, 02:53:57 PM
Any idea if the SAA teams are going to have Trinity and AC on their schedules for 2012? When do schedules get published?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
I've seen several published reports that the SAA membership will all play TU and AC in 2012.  In succeeding years it'll be up to each school to determine whether or not they want the relationship to continue. 

Schedules won't be out for a while ... varies wildly by institution.   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: historymajor on November 30, 2011, 05:27:00 PM
Hmmm...  they leave the SCAC citing high travel costs, then play the TX schools anyway...  Seems strange.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2011, 05:37:54 PM
The schools agreed to honor their commitments for 2012. We'll see in 2013 and beyond how SAA teams intend to schedule football games.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 30, 2011, 06:36:20 PM
Plus it's only football.  Have not seen anything about SAA and SCAC continuing schedules in other sports, since both should be able to put together a decent conference slate, possibly double round-robin for the SCAC, in those starting next year.   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 05, 2011, 06:12:00 AM
Interesting study on college presidents salaries. Seems simple, get a new president at Hendrix, fund the football program!

http://chronicle.com/article/Income-Gap-Widens/129980/
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just Bill on December 13, 2011, 12:03:50 PM
The SAA has added Washington University (Mo.) and University of Chicago as affiliate members for football...

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/fb12-13-11.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 14, 2011, 03:43:25 AM
What a great boost for the soon to be Berry and Hendrix programs. Quality nationally known teams added to their schedule. They will have to hit the ground running with their fledgling programs.

Does anyone know if Oglethorpe is considering reinstating football?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 14, 2011, 04:14:39 AM
Interesting the SAA Football conference will have an original member of the Big 10 (U Chicago) and an original SEC member (Sewanee).
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on December 14, 2011, 09:22:39 PM
So they can add teams from Chicago and St Louis but the school 90 miles down the interstate from one member keeps getting left out. Whatever.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 15, 2011, 03:41:00 PM
I think it's all about admissions standards for the SAA. I think that's why they moved out the Texas schools, more about the kind of applicants they can accept than travel. That's not to say that Trinity and Austin are easy to get admitted to, but they are on a different level. Same can be said for Huntington, which is a shame because the location fits the league perfectly.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 15, 2011, 03:42:12 PM
Looks like football is being talked up by Oglethorpe, hope they move in that direction.

http://brookhaven.patch.com/articles/oglethorpe-mulls-adding-football-to-sports-program
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on December 15, 2011, 06:38:23 PM
Hawks88 & Shoreman
Huntingdon would be a great fit, i have read their reasons for not wanting Huntingdon in the SAA or SCAC....but....the arguements do not hold water.

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on December 15, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on December 15, 2011, 03:41:00 PM
I think it's all about admissions standards for the SAA. I think that's why they moved out the Texas schools, more about the kind of applicants they can accept than travel. That's not to say that Trinity and Austin are easy to get admitted to, but they are on a different level. Same can be said for Huntington, which is a shame because the location fits the league perfectly.

Someone would have to do a lot more research than I've put in, but I don't see a whole lot of difference academically between Huntingdon and Oglethorpe. Granted I just did a surface scan of some easily available stuff, but someone with a recent big college comparison book could probably sort through it pretty quick.

I know back in 2009 Forbes ranked B-SC the best College/University in AL and Huntingdon didn't make the top 10, but I don't know how good that analysis was (although I'm partial to it for the high ranking W&L got!). Probably just as easy to say they don't belong as to say they do since its almost impossible to find a useful comparison these days.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 15, 2011, 07:24:11 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on December 15, 2011, 03:41:00 PM
I think it's all about admissions standards for the SAA. I think that's why they moved out the Texas schools, more about the kind of applicants they can accept than travel. That's not to say that Trinity and Austin are easy to get admitted to, but they are on a different level. Same can be said for Huntington, which is a shame because the location fits the league perfectly.

That dog don't hunt.  Trinity's admissions standards are quantitatively and qualitatively more difficult than a number of the SAA schools (not ALL, but enough), as are Southwestern's and Austin's.  Colorado College's standards may even be more stringent.    Hendrix' president Cloyd said some of the left-behind SCAC schools didn't meet SAA standards in one interview, then took it back later. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on December 15, 2011, 07:51:10 PM
jknezek & Ron

great ideas and food for thought

i am unsure what opinions of ranks for colleges or universities really means... >30 yrs of living in the unreal, self ordained and duly authorized world of academia has taught me that

i was on the interview comittee for professional school at Auburn on and off for >20 yrs. in that time i saw packets from kids that attended all of the old scac schools (including one of the best kids i ever taught that got accepted from Tninity- a tennis player... her name, but i got an email about a sick horse from her last year...????) anyway, if i were to go back and look at a ratio of applied to accepted from each of the schools, Trinity would have been top or equal to Huntingdon, BSC and oglethorpe would be on the low side.  Berry college would be the highest number and equal high ratio to Trinity and Huntingdon...but it was not in the old SCAC

when the Boy started looking at schools to attend in 2006, i steered him toward Huntingdon for that (among other) reasons. We had history in the family (my wife's side from LaGrange-fine school, and <40 miles from the farm: and my cuzin was capt of the Suwanee football team in the mid 60's)
but we still tried to get him to go to Huntingdon based on my opinion of their school from an academic association with thier former students

All these are fine, fine, erudite schools, and as Tupac said ''it's all good"

Oglethorpe ( a fine fine institution) is very similar to Huntingdon, but (unless i am way off) has a smaller endowment that Huntingdon, so that arguement is a bit shacky

i have been marveled by this non invite to the scac for...uh..well the past 6 yrs, i spect the non invite to saa iwill be the same

keep the faith

and GO Mount
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on December 15, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
Yeah, I tried looking through websites and compare admission criteria but Huntingdon was the only one that I found minimum criteria for grades/test scores listed. Others might choose one year's class and show that class' average. I just can't imagine that Huntingdon's numbers would be very different from most of the SAA schools in that regard. If they are afraid that we would gain some competitive advantage athletically then it's not like we have taken advantage of that so far. I added up our football records against all SCAC schools and came up with 9-8. Not like we've been dominating by any stretch of the imagination and I'm pretty sure most sports aren't much different from that.
I guess we just have to accept that our only shot at a conference for the foreseeable future is to hope that CNU decides to leave the USAC and maybe open up a spot for us.

Go Hawks!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on December 15, 2011, 09:11:50 PM
Hawks88
HERO, i pray yall are well

I hope to see yall soon
keep the faith
Go Hawks
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2011, 09:13:17 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on December 15, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
Yeah, I tried looking through websites and compare admission criteria but Huntingdon was the only one that I found minimum criteria for grades/test scores listed. Others might choose one year's class and show that class' average. I just can't imagine that Huntingdon's numbers would be very different from most of the SAA schools in that regard. If they are afraid that we would gain some competitive advantage athletically then it's not like we have taken advantage of that so far. I added up our football records against all SCAC schools and came up with 9-8. Not like we've been dominating by any stretch of the imagination and I'm pretty sure most sports aren't much different from that.
I guess we just have to accept that our only shot at a conference for the foreseeable future is to hope that CNU decides to leave the USAC and maybe open up a spot for us.

Go Hawks!
I agree.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on December 15, 2011, 09:14:20 PM
DGP, you and yours be safe on your trip to Salem. Wish I could go. Maybe one of these years it will work out that we will get to go.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on December 15, 2011, 09:34:39 PM
Hawks88

this is our 5th trip, i have had such a blast on th other Staggs, the Stone Station folk are awesome, and the BBQ+ is excellent, and the folk in Salem are real nice
we just got in

i wish u'd try to come one yr, only place i know you can hang with this many cool people, see a real live natioanl championship football game, and then go to a gun show....all at the same place
keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 16, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Did a little research about SAA member schools as well as, SCAC football, and a few other schools who have been discussed in this forum. I have to retract my comments about Trinity's academic requirements, and was really surprised at the size of that schools endowment. Long and short all of the schools are quality institutions. I think it would still be a great fit for W & L, and a stretch for Huntingdon.

See attached pdf

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2011, 12:11:45 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on December 16, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Did a little research about SAA member schools as well as, SCAC football, and a few other schools who have been discussed in this forum. I have to retract my comments about Trinity's academic requirements, and was really surprised at the size of that schools endowment. Long and short all of the schools are quality institutions. I think it would still be a great fit for W & L, and a stretch for Huntingdon.

See attached pdf
I was surprised to see the $118M for Oglethorpe.

Previous disccusions had found OU's endowment in the $20-30M range from public sources.



http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4753.msg1324739#msg1324739
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 16, 2011, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on December 16, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Did a little research about SAA member schools as well as, SCAC football, and a few other schools who have been discussed in this forum. I have to retract my comments about Trinity's academic requirements, and was really surprised at the size of that schools endowment. Long and short all of the schools are quality institutions. I think it would still be a great fit for W & L, and a stretch for Huntingdon.

See attached pdf

+1 for your research, Shoreman.   Trinity's been working hard to increase their admission standards & rigor over the last decade or so, if not longer.  Not sure they'd let someone in with the scores & GPA that got me in back in the day. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on December 16, 2011, 01:50:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 16, 2011, 01:47:32 PM
+1 for your research, Shoreman.   Trinity's been working hard to increase their admission standards & rigor over the last decade or so, if not longer.  Not sure they'd let someone in with the scores & GPA that got me in back in the day.

That's how I feel about W&L. And I only graduated about 11 years ago. No way I'd be getting in. Nice work on the chart. I'll +1 you as well!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2011, 03:31:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2011, 12:11:45 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on December 16, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Did a little research about SAA member schools as well as, SCAC football, and a few other schools who have been discussed in this forum. I have to retract my comments about Trinity's academic requirements, and was really surprised at the size of that schools endowment. Long and short all of the schools are quality institutions. I think it would still be a great fit for W & L, and a stretch for Huntingdon.

See attached pdf
I was surprised to see the $118M for Oglethorpe.

Previous disccusions had found OU's endowment in the $20-30M range from public sources.



http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4753.msg1324739#msg1324739

I do not find Oglethorpe in the NACUBO listings of endowments for Jan 2011, showing 2010 results.

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research/2010NCSE_Public_Tables_Endowment_Market_Values_Final.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 16, 2011, 04:09:58 PM
Ralph, correction: Oglethorpe endowment$17,293,794

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/oglethorpe-university-1586

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2011, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on December 16, 2011, 04:09:58 PM
Ralph, correction: Oglethorpe endowment$17,293,794

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/oglethorpe-university-1586
Thanks.  It looks like that they are suffereing with the 10-15% drop in endowment that everyone else has in this market.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on December 16, 2011, 06:21:17 PM
Shoreman

i read Oglethorpes Endowment as you stated being off from your chart by 10x, and 1/2 of Huntingdons endowment you site, yet  you say "...and a stretch for Huntingdon."

i am sitting in my truck trying to stay warm before the game.. Nasty rain and cold in Salem. ?????, but must be missing somthing

yall keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on December 16, 2011, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: DGPugh link=topic=7534.msg1386275#msg1386275 date=1324077677

i am sitting in my truck trying to stay warm before the game.. Nasty rain and cold in Salem. ?????,
b]but must be missing somthing[/b]


Based on Shoreman's table it looks like Huntingdon is a notch below the rest of the schools academically. The selectivity ratio and Middle 50% ACT scores look quite a bit less impressive than the rest of the list. I'm sure there are plenty of arguments in both directions and you could probably find area's where Huntingdon would climb up this list a bit. But, with Trinity and the other left-behinds all in the middle of the list, I think we can rule out pure academics for the SAA move. Might just be a case of... "these our are friends and the schools we want to associate with... those are not. Please stop asking questions."
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2011, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: jknezek on December 16, 2011, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: DGPugh link=topic=7534.msg1386275#msg1386275 date=1324077677

i am sitting in my truck trying to stay warm before the game.. Nasty rain and cold in Salem. ?????,
b]but must be missing somthing[/b]


Based on Shoreman's table it looks like Huntingdon is a notch below the rest of the schools academically. The selectivity ratio and Middle 50% ACT scores look quite a bit less impressive than the rest of the list. I'm sure there are plenty of arguments in both directions and you could probably find area's where Huntingdon would climb up this list a bit. But, with Trinity and the other left-behinds all in the middle of the list, I think we can rule out pure academics for the SAA move. Might just be a case of... "these our are friends and the schools we want to associate with... those are not. Please stop asking questions."
You probably won't have to ask why you weren't asked to the party...

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on December 16, 2011, 11:12:54 PM
Sir Ralph (obi wan)

i believe you are correct, there is no reason to ask..

i just do not see much of a difference between BSC, Oglethorpe, and Huntingdon (particularly as i read the ACT distribution, GPA in highschool and the endowment in light of the oglethorpe correction)... but hay, i don't work with, teach, or mess up undergraduates. i just see the crazies that want to do what i do, after they graduate from (among others) the schools with which we are speaking, and when they show up at the loveliest village on the plains.  ;D

the understanding of exclusion from the original SAA group is just way above my pay grade  :)
as far as Trinity... i ain't gonna argue about them and Huntingdon, Trinity has Dr Lawrence Espey on faculty.... big time, Huntingdon ain't.

yall keep the faith

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 17, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Keep in mind that Oglethorpe has been a member of the SCAC since the 80's. Looking a little closer at Huntingdon, their history, sports offered, location does make for a good fit with the SAA. For sure their admission standards are a bit lower, but that could simply be tied to their mission. No doubt it is tough to be a D-3 football school in the south. They would be a good fit for the USA south, but would have a big travel budget. But the fact is they already have a big travel budget competing as an independent.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2011, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on December 17, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Keep in mind that Oglethorpe has been a member of the SCAC since the 80's. Looking a little closer at Huntingdon, their history, sports offered, location does make for a good fit with the SAA. For sure their admission standards are a bit lower, but that could simply be tied to their mission. No doubt it is tough to be a D-3 football school in the south. They would be a good fit for the USA south, but would have a big travel budget. But the fact is they already have a big travel budget competing as an independent.
It's the budget for everyone else having to travel to Montgomery! Losing CNU (to the Capital?) will make Covenant, and hopefully Huntingdon, more attractive to the USA South.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on December 19, 2011, 09:42:48 PM
Shoreman said :"No doubt it is tough to be a D-3 football school in the south"

Shoremen, we agree... particularly if you have no conference affiliation
yep, it is interesting in the recent past, with the exception of BSC, the new football programs within 1-3 hrs of Montgomery are all new NAIA (Shorter, Concordia, Faulkner, Point U). Huntingdon played 3 NAIA teams this yr in order to complete a 10 game schedule (Faulkner, Ava Maria, Fl International). Unfortunately, Faulkner has dropped us from their schedule. Faulkner is just accross town  :'(

It is odd how naia appears to be growing faster in our area than either D-2 or D-3 ?

i pray yall have a most wonderful Christmas/CHanukkah
keep the faith 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 27, 2011, 06:16:10 AM
Hendrix football moving to hire Head Coach
http://www.higheredjobs.com/admin/details.cfm?JobCode=175587408&Title=Head%20Football%20Coach
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 27, 2011, 09:20:39 AM
From the position description:

"Hendrix has invested $23 million into new athletics and recreation facilities in the past five years, including an artificial turf playing field. The College's athletic facilities were ranked #13 overall in the 2009 Princeton Review. "

The turf field looks like it will be fine for playing football (soccer and track now), but there are no stands.  Looks like there's room for a D3-sized set when the school wishes to add them. 

I find the Princeton Review listing interesting - their ratings are based on student surveys.  Not sure I could say that Hendrix' facilities, nice as they are, would beat out Alabama's or the University of Texas; apparently in 2009, the survey respondents did.   ;)  They aren't ranked this year (only the top 20 get mentioned) and one supposes 2009 was the only year they were. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on December 27, 2011, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 27, 2011, 09:20:39 AM

I find the Princeton Review listing interesting - their ratings are based on student surveys.  Not sure I could say that Hendrix' facilities, nice as they are, would beat out Alabama's or the University of Texas; apparently in 2009, the survey respondents did.   ;)  They aren't ranked this year (only the top 20 get mentioned) and one supposes 2009 was the only year they were.

Don't forget that there is a growing backlash against surveys like the Princeton Review. Increasingly numbers of schools refuse to participate in this kind of non-scientific methodology. Hendrix may have been one of the few schools with large enough percentage of respondents to qualify in 2009. Many of these college guidebooks aren't worth the carbon cost of cutting down the trees to make the paper!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on January 04, 2012, 06:10:01 AM
SAA names commisioner.

http://sewaneetigers.com/news/2012/1/3/GEN_0103120028.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on January 13, 2012, 07:19:48 AM
Berry College Football Head Coach search

http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/4630500/head-football-coach
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on January 13, 2012, 09:16:33 AM
Shoreman
i saw this ad on berry's cite yesterday (site sight ???i don't know anymore)

berry is near where i was raised and my brides family is from rome. beautiful campus. for kids with an interest in animal science/ animal genetics/ or agriculture it would be a great place, those degrees are fairly novel at D-3 and/or private institutions

for pre-vet, berry is top notch, and their Ag programs usually beat the heck out of the typical biochemistry or cell biology degrees for acceptance to eithe Auburn, UGA, or UT-knoxville.

i believe berry will do very well from a recruiting stand point, with the only caveat that several other 'new'
D-3/NAIA programs are starting up in jawja thus deluting (sp) the player pool
keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2012, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: DGPugh on January 13, 2012, 09:16:33 AM
Shoreman
i saw this ad on berry's cite yesterday (site sight ???i don't know anymore)

berry is near where i was raised and my brides family is from rome. beautiful campus. for kids with an interest in animal science/ animal genetics/ or agriculture it would be a great place, those degrees are fairly novel at D-3 and/or private institutions

for pre-vet, berry is top notch, and their Ag programs usually beat the heck out of the typical biochemistry or cell biology degrees for acceptance to eithe Auburn, UGA, or UT-knoxville.

i believe berry will do very well from a recruiting stand point, with the only caveat that several other 'new'
D-3/NAIA programs are starting up in jawja thus deluting (sp) the player pool
keep the faith
I believe that there is so much talent in Georgia at the D-2/D-3/NAIA level that the issue is convincing that student-athlete to continue playing, rather than giving up the athletic career, going to Athens or GTech and partying, only to squander life's chances for an education.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on January 16, 2012, 02:11:24 PM
Hero-Obi Wan

I agree about Ga, lots of talent. I really believe Berry will do real well real fast. They have a phenominal Baseball area. Beautiful campus, great school. I believe a casualty to Bery starting up football will be Shorter College ( Rome, Ga NAIA, new program) and LaGrange College (but not to the extent of Shorter)

Have a most blessed day and a great New Year
Hawk 'em and please pass on a Big War Eagle to the faithful
keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on January 18, 2012, 04:38:46 PM
Looks like Berry College is already putting their 2013 schedule together.
http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/17206272/article-Shorter-AD--Berry-Shorter-football-game-would-be-%E2%80%9Cone-of-the-biggest-sports-events%E2%80%9D-in-Rome?instance=home_news
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 18, 2012, 06:17:55 PM
I read that more as Shorter keeping a spot open for a possible FB game in 2013 vs Berry ... and with Shorter going D2 and Berry D3, you wonder how much they'll play going forward. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on January 19, 2012, 02:55:18 PM
Wow, I took a look at Shorter's roster, must be over 200 kids in the program. Probably not very likely that they will play Berry in year 1. Seems like it would be a mismatch.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2012, 03:26:26 PM
That's a lot - only 1500 full-time kids at the school per their factbook, about half male. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on February 01, 2012, 01:56:44 PM
Hope the SAA continues this tradition.

http://scacsports.com/inside_athletics/honor_roll_files/11fallallacademic.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on February 05, 2012, 09:54:28 AM
Some Sewanee football history.

http://www.cdispatch.com/lifestyles/article.asp?aid=15490
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on February 05, 2012, 11:39:53 AM
Shoreman
many think the 1963 team was their best team ever, and i am partial to it
http://www2.sewaneetigers.com/hof.aspx?hof=73&path=&kiosk=

my cuzin, Dale Reich, was on that team, Dale played defensive back. He was my dad's first cuzin, but dad was more like an older brother due to Dale's home life. By birth i was the oldest of my Mom and Dads 3, but Dale was more like an older brother to me.

I remember the fall drives up the mountain in my early teens.
His loss in 1968 in Khanh Hoa Province of South Vietnam was one of the defining points of my life and that of my families.

http://www.avvba.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24

Suwanee has a rich rich tradition, and holds a special place in the hearts of my family. I visited when i was a senior in highschool, and Coach Majors, knowing i was Dales 'little brother-cuzin' treated me like royality, but i opted to go elsewhere, as did my son many years later.

sorry, but i do like that place, even though i am an outsider looking in. keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on February 06, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
Great post DG.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on February 15, 2012, 10:15:12 AM
Just noticed that Birmingham-Southern has their 2012 schedule posted and includes a trip to Wesley on October 6. Nice job BSC!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on February 15, 2012, 12:21:14 PM
Both Trinity and BSC now playing potentially Top 5 teams in Non-Conference regular season play next year! Really impressed by both coaches taking the initiative to schedule some truly testing games. I'm assuming part of it is to increase their SOS for at-large bids, but nonetheless win's or close games by either teams will be exciting for everyone in the SCAC/SAA!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on March 09, 2012, 12:06:24 AM
http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/17799221/article-Berry-hopes-to-announce-head-football-coach-in-early-April?instance=home_page
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on March 09, 2012, 02:50:54 PM
The article about Berry's AD update on adding football included a link to an earlier article about the plans for their stadium:
http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/16173923/article-Rendering-released-for-Berry-football-stadium?

They'll have a pretty nice setup once they get everything done.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on March 14, 2012, 06:28:30 PM
Sewanee's 2012 schedule is published.

http://sewaneetigers.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=95&
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 16, 2012, 01:11:31 PM
Hendrix names Justin "Buck" Buchanan, former associate head football coach at Louisiana College, as head football coach:

http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/news.aspx?id=59076&sid=56621


Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on March 17, 2012, 03:14:44 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 16, 2012, 01:11:31 PM
Hendrix names Justin "Buck" Buchanan, former associate head football coach at Louisiana College, as head football coach:

http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/news.aspx?id=59076&sid=56621

Buck is a great guy!  Best wishes to him!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on April 03, 2012, 01:17:41 PM
posted on footballscoop.com today:

Berry College (Rome, GA): The two finalists to become the first ever head coach at Berry College are Tony Kunczewski of LaGrange, GA and Rick Fox of West Des Moines, IA.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on April 10, 2012, 02:00:29 PM
Sewanee looking for a game to fill out season
www.footballscoop.com
University of the South: The University of the South located in Sewanee, TN is looking for a game this upcoming season (home or away) on either Sept. 29 or November 10 in 2012. Also, we need two games in 2013 on September 7 and 14. Please contact Head Coach, Tommy Laurendine at 931-598-1593 or by email at tolauren@sewanee.edu.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on May 02, 2012, 10:27:39 AM
Sewanee alum named Senior Bowl Director

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/05/mobiles_phil_savage_named_seni.html
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 02, 2012, 02:52:37 PM
Using Facebook, the College Football Hall of Fame set up some historical matchups between great teams to crown a mythical national champion of all time.  Your winner, ladies and gentlemen ...

the 1899 Sewanee Tigers!

See https://www.facebook.com/pages/College-Football-Hall-of-Fame/ for more!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 29, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
I see that Berea College is rumored to be exploring D-III.

Are they of the same mission and vision as the SAA schools?

Or would they go HCAC?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 30, 2012, 10:00:44 AM
Recognizing it's only one measure, Forbes ranks them (http://www.forbes.com/colleges/berea-college/) slightly below Hendrix (#121 overall, #28 in South).  Cost differential is huge; Berea is a "work-study" college with every student receiving a 100% tuition award.  Understandably, only 19% of applicants are admitted, a far lower rate than any SAA school.  SAT composite 1020-1270, which is slightly lower than anyone in the SAA on the bottom end; 10:1 student:faculty ratio, which is as good as anyone: 

Centre 34 [69%; 11:1; 1160-1370]
Sewanee 57 [68%; 11:1; 1160-1360]
Rhodes 75 [42%; 10:1; 1150-1380]
Hendrix 106 [81%; 13:1; 1180-1380]
Berea 121 [19%; 10:1; 1020-1270;]
Millsaps 188 [74%; 10:1; 1060-1290]
B-SC 211 [59%; 12:1; 1050-1280]
Berry 227 [67%; 12:1; 1060-1270]
Oglethorpe 468 [42%; 16:1; 1040-1240]

That cost differential is a big deal if I'm one of the other presidents, as is the fact there are five-plus kids applying for every available spot.   Also, and this seems to matter to these guys, Berea has no PBK chapter.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on May 30, 2012, 01:03:08 PM
Berea's men's and women's sports offering line up well with the SAA with the exception of M/W lacrosse and football. I wouldn't think they would be a likely candidate to add football.

We had the pleasure of staying at the Daniel Boone in once, a great place!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 30, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on May 30, 2012, 01:03:08 PM
Berea's men's and women's sports offering line up well with the SAA with the exception of M/W lacrosse and football. I wouldn't think they would be a likely candidate to add football.

We had the pleasure of staying at the Daniel Boone in once, a great place!
Travel partner for Centre...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on May 30, 2012, 02:55:45 PM
They would be an excellent addition for the SAA, would be surprised if it didn't happen. I would also expect expansion to 10 members to happen someday in the SAA and SCAC. I am a fan of W&L moving to the SAA, so that would be 10 with berea. The scac should add Concordia University and university of the ozarks to also get to 10.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on May 30, 2012, 07:23:42 PM
W & L would be a great addition.

Saw this article on the new Berry College program. http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/18765136/article-Berry-football---Coach-K--putting-plans-in-motion?instance=home_page
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 30, 2012, 10:16:19 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on May 30, 2012, 07:23:42 PM
W & L would be a great addition.

Saw this article on the new Berry College program. http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/18765136/article-Berry-football---Coach-K--putting-plans-in-motion?instance=home_page
Respectfully, I think that your desire for W&L to join the SAA is greater than the W&L's desire to leave the comfy confines of the ODAC.  There is certainly dramatically less travel in the ODAC than the SAA, which means less missed class time.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on May 31, 2012, 07:56:23 AM
Agreed but with the addition of Wash U and U Chicago would make an attractive national schedule for W & L, and I would say they would probably be one of the favorites to win the league every year.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on May 31, 2012, 01:23:41 PM
W&L has the endowment to pay for travel. They and the SAA would just need to decide if the hassle of travel is worth the travel. More likely the SAA will just take berea and maybe  agnes scott and spelman but they still would need one more to get to 10 and 2 women's colleges to even things out.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 31, 2012, 02:09:01 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on May 31, 2012, 07:56:23 AM
Agreed but with the addition of Wash U and U Chicago would make an attractive national schedule for W & L, and I would say they would probably be one of the favorites to win the league every year.

Considering Centre's traditional dominance of W&L (Centre is 36-22-2 vs W&L all time) in football (and since this is a football board I'm assuming that's what you are referring to), I don't think W&L would be much of a favorite. As much as W&L has had Sewanee's number (W&L is 38-22 vs Sewanee all time), Centre has had the Generals'.

As a W&L alum having B-SC on our schedule would be great for me getting to see more games, but unless W&L's priorities have significantly changed in the 11 years since my graduation, I highly doubt they are leaving the ODAC. I was, at one time, the sports editor of one of the on-campus newspapers. I can tell you that at the time, the Generals athletic administration had a stated goal of controlling travel in favor of class time. The ODAC was a perfect fit. While the AD and many other administrators have turned over since then, it doesn't appear that W&L goes out of their way to schedule significant travel in any sport except for one instance.

If a W&L team wins a conference championship, they are usually scheduled, as soon as feasible, for one significant trip as a reward. This doesn't show up so much in football, since we've only had 2 recent conference titles and football scheduling is different than other sports, but it was a well-defined pattern for the tennis, soccer, volleyball, and swim teams, all somewhat frequent conference champions. A recent obvious example would have been the women's basketball trip to Colorado in 2010 in the season following their last conference championship.

In my opinion, W&L's administration puts a premium on having the students in class, not on buses, and I don't expect that to change any time soon. While travel isn't necessarily an issue for football, certainly for the sports with more frequent contests the travel time adds up quickly.

As it relates to football, W&L's long term rivalries with Centre and Sewanee, plus a rotating team from the Centennial Conf, allow it to get good exposure to the vast majority of the common recruiting grounds, west, south and north respectively, while providing a simple solution to football's somewhat difficult scheduling. Especially now that the ODAC is up to 8 football playing members.

I would be very surprised to see W&L in the SAA unless something dramatic changed in the ODAC first...

updated to include W&L v Centre and W&L v Sewanee historical records compliments of the W&L athletics web site....
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SUADC on May 31, 2012, 02:23:27 PM
Quote from: jknezek on May 31, 2012, 02:09:01 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on May 31, 2012, 07:56:23 AM
Agreed but with the addition of Wash U and U Chicago would make an attractive national schedule for W & L, and I would say they would probably be one of the favorites to win the league every year.

Considering Centre's traditional dominance of W&L in football (and since this is a football board I'm assuming that's what you are referring to), I don't think W&L would be much of a favorite. As much as W&L has had Sewanee's number, Centre has had the Generals'.

As a W&L alum having B-SC on our schedule would be great for me getting to see more games, but unless W&L's priorities have significantly changed in the 11 years since my graduation, I highly doubt they are leaving the ODAC. I was, at one time, the sports editor of one of the on-campus newspapers. I can tell you that at the time, the Generals athletic administration had a stated goal of controlling travel in favor of class time. The ODAC was a perfect fit. While the AD and many other administrators have turned over since then, it doesn't appear that W&L goes out of their way to schedule significant travel in any sport except for one instance.

If a W&L team wins a conference championship, they are usually scheduled, as soon as feasible, for one significant trip as a reward. This doesn't show up so much in football, since we've only had 2 recent conference titles and football scheduling is different than other sports, but it was a well-defined pattern for the tennis, soccer, volleyball, and swim teams, all somewhat frequent conference champions. A recent obvious example would have been the woman's basketball trip to Colorado in 2010 in the season following their last conference championship.

In my opinion, W&L's administration puts a premium on having the students in class, not on buses, and I don't expect that to change any time soon. While travel isn't necessarily an issue for football, certainly for the sports with more frequent contests the travel time adds up quickly.

As it relates to football, W&L's long term rivalries with Centre and Sewanee, plus a rotating team from the Centennial Conf, allow it to get good exposure to the vast majority of the common recruiting grounds, west, south and north respectively, while providing a simple solution to football's somewhat difficult scheduling. Especially now that the ODAC is up to 8 football playing members.

I would be very surprised to see W&L in the SAA unless something dramatic changed in the ODAC first...

Even though a good part of the Centennial (South affiliated) conference is in Pennsylvania, which is above the mason-dixon line, I would hold off on saying that they have exposure up north, the last time they actually played a team up "North" was in 2004 & 2005 and that was Alfred. They have played Franklin and Marshall from the Centennial over the last couple years and before that Johns Hopkins (Maryland=South). However, I did see Case Western (Ohio) on the schedule at some point which is categorized as a North team. But as far as exposure maybe sometime over ten years ago. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 31, 2012, 04:23:40 PM
W&L tends to be a regional team. The directions of west, south and north are simply directions from W&L, not indications of where the schools fall in the grand scheme of the country. Certainly no one would consider Centre to be from the west of the U.S. But with the current affiliations of Centre, Sewanee and a Centennial team, W&L travels to regions where most of its recruits come from, allowing most parents to see students play off campus with less travel at least twice in any 4 year cycle. Add in the parents weekend game, which is a big deal at W&L and an event that most of W&L's parents attend religiously, whether the parents of an athlete or not, and you will concievably see your kid on the sidelines or the field at least 6 times in any 4 year cycle. At least that was the intention when I was on campus and, since scheduling has rarely budged from this configuration, what I would expect going forward.

While a signficant number of recruits do come from the Northeast, probably the least served region, W&L has a reasonable strategy of spreading out in likely to be recruited areas. Part of the reason W&L is so poorly served in the Northeast is the loss of Swarthmore as a partner. We played Swarthmore through most of the 90s and then tried to replace them with the series with Alfred, which didn't last beyond a home and home for whatever reason.

Below are W&L non-conf games that weren't in VA or the traditional Sewanee/Centre games. Only 3 of the last 16 years didn't include at least one Centennial team. The loss of Davidson as a traditional game after '99 and Swarthmore after '00 are really the only deviations in a dwindling non-conf schedule (the ODAC went from 6 to 8 teams over this time period adding Catholic and now Shenandoah, while the schedule went from 9 to 10 games). With only 3 non-conf games, I expect Centre, Sewanee and mostly a Centennial team to remain on the schedule for the forseeable future.

It is interesting to note that from 2005 to 2011 the Centre/W&L game went unscheduled. I was happy to see this game resume in 2011, even though it did not play out in the Generals' favor, and hope it will continue. Sewanee has been on the schedule every year since 1955 and I hope they always will be. These two games represent stability and good challenges among very similar institutions for all 3 teams. The stand-ins that W&L scheduled for Centre over that period were... not as appropriate.

2011 F&M and Alma
2010 F&M and Juniata
2009 F&M and Greensboro
2008 F&M
2007 F&M & CMU
2006 F&M & CWRU
2005 Alfred & CWRU
2004 Alfred & Greensboro
2003 JHU & Greensboro
2002 JHU & Greensboro
2001 JHU & Greensboro
2000 JHU & Swarthmore
1999 JHU & Davidson & Swarthmore
1998 JHU & Davidson & Swarthmore
1997 JHU & Davidson & Swarthmore
1996 Ursinus & Davidson & Swarthmore
1995 Davidson & Swarthmore


** schedule info compliments of the W&L athletic website
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on June 01, 2012, 02:28:24 PM
Sewanee fills out schedule w/ a game vs. Willamette U

http://www.willamette.edu/athletics/teams/football/
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on June 06, 2012, 03:37:13 PM
Hendrix College

http://thecabin.net/sports/college/warriors/2012-06-05/mccollums-column-hatcher-laid-foundation-much-what-hendrix-today#.T8-wdlKEFMs
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on June 12, 2012, 10:28:33 AM
Sewanee alum heading up Senior Bowl

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/phil_savage_already_making_cha.html
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 30, 2012, 11:39:10 AM
Centre ranked #12 in Lindy's preseason poll (despite losing star QB/RB) and have been making the most of it on Twitter:

1h Centre Football ‏@CentreFootball Last big recruiting day of the summer. We can't wait to show some of the top recruits what a #12 program is all about. ‪#PEV‬

14h Centre Football Centre Football ‏@CentreFootball Another great recruiting day for @CentreFootball! #12 ‪#PEV‬

23 Jun Centre Football Centre Football ‏@CentreFootball Another big day for @CentreFootball. Big time recruits on campus today!

22 Jun Centre Football Centre Football ‏@CentreFootball Big day for the #12 team in the nation. We can't wait to show some of the top recruits in the area what we're all about!

21 Jun Centre Football Centre Football ‏@CentreFootball http://t.co/uLe0T92J

20 Jun Centre Football Centre Football ‏@CentreFootball @CentreFootball ranked #12 in Lindy's Preseason Poll! ‪#PEV‬
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 30, 2012, 04:41:28 PM
Can't wait to see what Lindy's first regular season poll looks like.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 30, 2012, 11:42:47 PM
I just wonder if anyone in Danville even knew there was such a thing before this season.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on July 02, 2012, 09:26:12 AM
Berry College stadium article:

http://info.carterusa.com/blog/bid/146611/New-Football-Stadium-Kicks-Off-at-Berry-College
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on July 02, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
I don't want to call anyone out but it looks like we have some posters that really don't care for Centre.  This is just my opinion and the posts may be all in fun......
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on July 02, 2012, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on July 02, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
I don't want to call anyone out but it looks like we have some posters that really don't care for Centre.  This is just my opinion and the posts may be all in fun......

Possibly, but I think it's more just a fun commentary on a pre-season poll that most people on this board don't think very highly of in general. Centre had a strong senior team last year and it led to good success. Ranking them #12 in the country, given the number of seniors that left and the fact that they have essentially one playoff season in recent memory under their belts, feels like a stretch.

It's not really a knock on Centre, though it could be construed that way, more just kind of a bit of disbelief in the Lindy poll. The twitter post is actually kind of neat. Shows how hard someone at Centre is working to build on last year's very good season. Wish I could get to Lexington for the Centre-W&L game this year. Last year was a blast to watch on the computer.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on July 02, 2012, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: jknezek on July 02, 2012, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on July 02, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
I don't want to call anyone out but it looks like we have some posters that really don't care for Centre.  This is just my opinion and the posts may be all in fun......

Possibly, but I think it's more just a fun commentary on a pre-season poll that most people on this board don't think very highly of in general. Centre had a strong senior team last year and it led to good success. Ranking them #12 in the country, given the number of seniors that left and the fact that they have essentially one playoff season in recent memory under their belts, feels like a stretch.

It's not really a knock on Centre, though it could be construed that way, more just kind of a bit of disbelief in the Lindy poll. The twitter post is actually kind of neat. Shows how hard someone at Centre is working to build on last year's very good season. Wish I could get to Lexington for the Centre-W&L game this year. Last year was a blast to watch on the computer.

The game will be played at W & L this year.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 02, 2012, 08:02:19 PM
Oh, feel free to call me out, I've only been writing/posting about the teams now in the SAA since, what, the late 1990s?     ;)

Just having a little fun with a poll that's not known for its accuracy.   And trying to get some discussion going between teams that haven't seen a lot of support here. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on July 02, 2012, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on July 02, 2012, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: jknezek on July 02, 2012, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on July 02, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
I don't want to call anyone out but it looks like we have some posters that really don't care for Centre.  This is just my opinion and the posts may be all in fun......

Possibly, but I think it's more just a fun commentary on a pre-season poll that most people on this board don't think very highly of in general. Centre had a strong senior team last year and it led to good success. Ranking them #12 in the country, given the number of seniors that left and the fact that they have essentially one playoff season in recent memory under their belts, feels like a stretch.

It's not really a knock on Centre, though it could be construed that way, more just kind of a bit of disbelief in the Lindy poll. The twitter post is actually kind of neat. Shows how hard someone at Centre is working to build on last year's very good season. Wish I could get to Lexington for the Centre-W&L game this year. Last year was a blast to watch on the computer.

The game will be played at W & L this year.

Yes, W&L is in Lexington, VA...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 03, 2012, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: Just A Guy on July 02, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
I don't want to call anyone out but it looks like we have some posters that really don't care for Centre.

No -- just don't really care for the "poll" that Lindy's puts out, or people that trumpet it as if it had any credibility at all.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 03, 2012, 11:08:33 AM
Quote from: jknezek on July 02, 2012, 07:13:50 PM
Centre had a strong senior team last year and it led to good success. Ranking them #12 in the country, given the number of seniors that left and the fact that they have essentially one playoff season in recent memory under their belts, feels like a stretch.
All of this makes it look like that we may have an interesting 1st season in the league. I've been heads down finishing my dissertation  and haven't been able to keep up with what happened during the off-season. What do  the returning classes at B-SC and Millsaps look like compared to last year's teams?    And I'm hoping that we'll be able to see some continued improvement up on the Mountain.  My new job is in a place where I can travel to a lot more of  Sewanee's games this season.... Just 62 days to the season starts... 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 03, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
Birmingham-Southern was a very young team last year and it would surprise me if they aren't in the thick of things this season.  Assuming all of last year's underclassmen return, all their skill players will be back on offense as will be the kickers and returners.  On defense they lose a couple of linemen, an LB, and a DB.  Shawn Morris averaged over 160 yards per game rushing last season and will no doubt be the focal point on offense again.  Can't really tell what the situation is on the OL this season but no doubt Kickoff '12 will (you *are* planning on another kickoff edition this year, Pat?).
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 03, 2012, 01:26:34 PM
B-SC's schedule doesn't look to help them with road games at Centre and Millsaps to close the season.  I guess we'll get a good gauge of how they'll be with that opening game w/ LaGrange and away game the following week at Huntingdon.

EDIT: fixed the iPhone induced typing error in the last sentence.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on July 03, 2012, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: jknezek on July 02, 2012, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on July 02, 2012, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: jknezek on July 02, 2012, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on July 02, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
I don't want to call anyone out but it looks like we have some posters that really don't care for Centre.  This is just my opinion and the posts may be all in fun......

Possibly, but I think it's more just a fun commentary on a pre-season poll that most people on this board don't think very highly of in general. Centre had a strong senior team last year and it led to good success. Ranking them #12 in the country, given the number of seniors that left and the fact that they have essentially one playoff season in recent memory under their belts, feels like a stretch.

It's not really a knock on Centre, though it could be construed that way, more just kind of a bit of disbelief in the Lindy poll. The twitter post is actually kind of neat. Shows how hard someone at Centre is working to build on last year's very good season. Wish I could get to Lexington for the Centre-W&L game this year. Last year was a blast to watch on the computer.

The game will be played at W & L this year.

Yes, W&L is in Lexington, VA...

Oops, sorry.  This won't be too long of a drive for us coming from Knoxville.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 04, 2012, 02:40:46 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 03, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
Birmingham-Southern was a very young team last year and it would surprise me if they aren't in the thick of things this season.  Assuming all of last year's underclassmen return, all their skill players will be back on offense as will be the kickers and returners.  On defense they lose a couple of linemen, an LB, and a DB.  Shawn Morris averaged over 160 yards per game rushing last season and will no doubt be the focal point on offense again.  Can't really tell what the situation is on the OL this season but no doubt Kickoff '12 will (you *are* planning on another kickoff edition this year, Pat?).

Yes, there will be a Kickoff 2012. Waiting on some necessary pieces from Presto for sales purposes.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on July 10, 2012, 10:08:35 PM
Hendrix and Berry College mentioned in article about the rise in colleges and university's starting or reinstating football programs.

http://www.lindyssports.com/college-football-continues-to-grow-with-the-debut-of-five-more-teams-in-2012.php
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 11, 2012, 11:22:17 AM
BSC's Shawn Morris is only SAA player named to D3football.com's pre-season AA team (http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2012-preseason)  (1st team, RB).  Congratulations and good luck!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on July 11, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Find it hard to believe that Centre punter/kicker Jordan Gay didn't make 1st or 2nd team. The guys who made it must be outstanding because Gay is one of the best I've seen.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2012, 05:04:17 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on July 11, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Find it hard to believe that Centre punter/kicker Jordan Gay didn't make 1st or 2nd team. The guys who made it must be outstanding because Gay is one of the best I've seen.

Yes, it's really tough to make our preseason team at the positions where we only name one per team. I remember him being one of the last guys we cut from the list to get down to four last December and we had two of those four returning with no compelling reason to switch the order.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on July 11, 2012, 10:38:01 PM
Gay has a real live leg, wouldn't be surprised if he gets a look as a free agent! Saw him against Sewanee he was a weapon.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on July 13, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Berry College names OC
http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/19298299/article-Berry-football--Duncan-named-offensive-coordinator?instance=news_page_secondary_local
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on July 17, 2012, 04:24:43 AM
Berry College inaugural schedule for 2013

http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/19338035/article-Berry-announces-inaugural-2013-football-schedule?instance=home_news
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 18, 2012, 04:15:39 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on July 17, 2012, 04:24:43 AM
Berry College inaugural schedule for 2013

http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/19338035/article-Berry-announces-inaugural-2013-football-schedule?instance=home_news


Playing a D1 FCS startup on the road ... hope the money is good.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on July 22, 2012, 12:59:03 PM
More Pre-Season Rankings

http://www.compughterratings.com/2012-D3-Preseason-College-Football-Rankings
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 03, 2012, 12:03:17 AM
http://www.transysports.com/news/2012/8/1/FH_0801123548.aspx

ANY CHANCE Transy would restart football?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2012, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 03, 2012, 12:03:17 AM
http://www.transysports.com/news/2012/8/1/FH_0801123548.aspx

ANY CHANCE Transy would restart football?

I dunno, but they just added EQUESTRIAN as a varsity sport.   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Gray Fox on August 03, 2012, 11:32:44 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2012, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 03, 2012, 12:03:17 AM
http://www.transysports.com/news/2012/8/1/FH_0801123548.aspx

ANY CHANCE Transy would restart football?

I dunno, but they just added EQUESTRIAN as a varsity sport.   
I'd hate to be the team manager for that sport. :D
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 04, 2012, 10:11:37 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2012, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 03, 2012, 12:03:17 AM
http://www.transysports.com/news/2012/8/1/FH_0801123548.aspx

ANY CHANCE Transy would restart football?

I dunno, but they just added EQUESTRIAN as a varsity sport.   
IMHO, Equestrian helps with female numbers and draws from a more affluent base than football.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 04, 2012, 10:23:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 04, 2012, 10:11:37 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2012, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 03, 2012, 12:03:17 AM
http://www.transysports.com/news/2012/8/1/FH_0801123548.aspx

ANY CHANCE Transy would restart football?

I dunno, but they just added EQUESTRIAN as a varsity sport.   
IMHO, Equestrian helps with female numbers and draws from a more affluent base than football.

Absolutely. When W&L was still trying to even out their m/f ratio in the mid-90s they added equestrian. There was a debate about equestrian versus field hockey versus softball. As a sports editor of the on-campus paper, I remember asking what the deciding factor was and among the many that were given was demographics of the participants. Plus, most equestrian students pay for their own horses, boarding and tack, and no new fields needed to be created (W&L rents practice space/time off campus). So aside from a coach and rental facilities, there was very little capital outlay. As time went on, W&L did add field hockey and I do expect to see softball within the next decade or so, but that's just a gut feeling.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: historymajor on August 04, 2012, 10:00:04 PM
UoS Sewanee has a pretty impressive stable and lot's of horses on campus... I just assumed they had equestrian!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 06, 2012, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: historymajor on August 04, 2012, 10:00:04 PM
UoS Sewanee has a pretty impressive stable and lot's of horses on campus... I just assumed they had equestrian!
We've had an equestrian program up on the Mountain for a long time.   The school got serious about it around 25 years ago and had a couple of big donors put up the money for the new stables.   Lord knows we have the space for it... :-)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on August 06, 2012, 03:39:26 PM
Sewanee has a very accomplished Equestrian Team. They compete in the IHSA zone 5, region 1 (i actually knew that part), and in the past 10 or so yrs have won 10 regional and 6 zone titles, with 6 top 10 national teams and 35 top 10 national rider. (i had to look it up....not shabby)

As former team Vet for the 3x Auburn University D-1, NCAA, National Championship team (War Eagle), and old horse Doktor i keep up with this stuff............oddly.
They got a real nice equestrian facility on the mountain.

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Gray Fox on August 06, 2012, 03:41:27 PM
I can't wait until the season starts and we can stop horsing around. :P
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on August 06, 2012, 04:00:05 PM
Gray Fox said "I can't wait until the season starts and we can stop horsing around."

good one, i am planning on quitting horseing around in 3 more years, then just ride my motorcycle, and farm a little bit ;)

but, i do agree, i can't wait for the season to start either, 
keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 07, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: DGPugh on August 06, 2012, 04:00:05 PM
but, i do agree, i can't wait for the season to start either, 
keep the faith

I'm with you on that one.   First time in a while that I've entered the season with some hope of a good season on the Mountain.   Bunch of returning players from last year's 5-5 squad and a favorable schedule promote optimism.   We get both Centre and Trinity at home but face Millsaps and B-SC on the road in consecutive weeks.    Should get a good gauge of what we'll do from our Hall-of-Fame game with W&L in week 2.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bill McCabe on August 07, 2012, 12:44:08 PM
Shouldn't equestrian be on another board!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 09, 2012, 05:50:28 AM
Berry College prepares for 2013 season

http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/19718978/article-Vikings-football-coach-preparing-for-challenge-?instance=home_news_lead_story
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: river on August 09, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: DGPugh on August 06, 2012, 03:39:26 PM
Sewanee has a very accomplished Equestrian Team. They compete in the IHSA zone 5, region 1 (i actually knew that part), and in the past 10 or so yrs have won 10 regional and 6 zone titles, with 6 top 10 national teams and 35 top 10 national rider. (i had to look it up....not shabby)

As former team Vet for the 3x Auburn University D-1, NCAA, National Championship team (War Eagle), and old horse Doktor i keep up with this stuff............oddly.
They got a real nice equestrian facility on the mountain.

keep the faith
Quote from: Gray Fox on August 06, 2012, 03:41:27 PM
I can't wait until the season starts and we can stop horsing around. :P
Quote from: awadelewis on August 07, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: DGPugh on August 06, 2012, 04:00:05 PM
but, i do agree, i can't wait for the season to start either, 
keep the faith

I'm with you on that one.   First time in a while that I've entered the season with some hope of a good season on the Mountain.   Bunch of returning players from last year's 5-5 squad and a favorable schedule promote optimism.   We get both Centre and Trinity at home but face Millsaps and B-SC on the road in consecutive weeks.    Should get a good gauge of what we'll do from our Hall-of-Fame game with W&L in week 2.


Is there any plan to have the Tigers' horsemen/women available to run roughshod over the Univ of Puget Sound (on 9/1) and Willamette Univ (on 9/29) teams from up north? ;)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 15, 2012, 06:33:08 PM
Hendrix football recruiting

http://thecabin.net/news/2012-08-15/coach-buck-hendrix-football-recruiting-has-begun
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 22, 2012, 08:47:53 AM
Sports Illustrated mention of Sewanee/Rhodes game, note it won't be played in Monteagle!
http://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20120820oavpvm
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 26, 2012, 04:07:58 PM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2012 TOP 25 FAN POLL (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.msg1434525#msg1434525):
Please send me a PM with your ballot. I'd like to get a preseason poll up by Thursday night.

During the season ballots shall be due by Tuesdays so I can get them up Tuesday night.

Remember, this is just fun and we aren't part of the BCS Formula... yet ;D
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 28, 2012, 07:42:36 PM
B-SC preview from The Birmingham News:
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/08/birmingham-southern_loaded_for.html
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: d3Kyle on August 28, 2012, 10:04:09 PM
Hello all, I wanted to introduce myself. My name is Kyle Robarts - I am the new Around the South Region columnist for D3football. I would love to hear from you on Twitter http://twitter.com/kylerobarts (http://twitter.com/kylerobarts). I am the former McMurry SID, so I am familiar, and have many connections in the ASC, but I would love your help in getting acquainted with the SAA and its teams. Hope you all have a good week getting ready for football!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 30, 2012, 09:29:33 AM
Inaugural weekend for SAA teams, my predictions.

9/1/12 1:00 PM
Football
Centre
at Bethany (W.V.) Centre in a blowout

9/1/12 2:00 PM
Football
Puget Sound
at Sewanee   Sewanee, jet lag for the Loggers!

9/1/12 2:00 PM
Football
LaGrange
at Birmingham Southern, BSU by 14

9/1/12 4:00 PM
Football
Mississippi Col.
at Millsaps  Millsaps in the Brawl, game delayed to 3 PM start


Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: PrayingColonel on August 30, 2012, 12:44:33 PM
I agree Shoreman. I think it will be a good weekend for the SAA teams.
Go Colonels!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 01, 2012, 01:45:09 PM
Good FB weather on the Mountain for UoS/UPS. 15 minutes to kickoff. Updates as I'm able.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 01, 2012, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 01, 2012, 01:45:09 PM
Good FB weather on the Mountain for UoS/UPS. 15 minutes to kickoff. Updates as I'm able.
is there a place to park a small motorhome near the field at UoS? I'm bringing the family up next weekend for the W&L game but need to make sure there's a place we can park.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 01, 2012, 02:22:38 PM
7-3 UPS over Sewanee at 2:20 1Q.  No defense from either team at the moment.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 01, 2012, 03:13:14 PM
17-7 UoS at the half w/ Sewanee scoring twice in the 2q.

My guess for the best place to park a small camper would be just past the FB field in the area by the baseball field.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MonroviaCat on September 01, 2012, 04:06:38 PM
Any update on this one?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 01, 2012, 04:47:59 PM
And we've gone final here at Sewanee, with the Tigers defeating Loggers 30-7.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 01, 2012, 07:50:33 PM
Other results from around the SAA...

B-SC 41 - LaGrange 14: Stainback 2 TDs passing, 1 running TD; 89 yds on 17 carries.

Centre 42 - Bethany 21: Haden and Scotton combine for all 6 Centre TDs.

Millsaps 23 - Mississippi Co 17:  Majors win this year's edition of the Backyard Brawl.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: d3Kyle on September 04, 2012, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 01, 2012, 07:50:33 PM
Other results from around the SAA...

B-SC 41 - LaGrange 14: Stainback 2 TDs passing, 1 running TD; 89 yds on 17 carries.

Centre 42 - Bethany 21: Haden and Scotton combine for all 6 Centre TDs.

Millsaps 23 - Mississippi Co 17:  Majors win this year's edition of the Backyard Brawl.

Be sure to read more on the BackYard Brawl tonight on Around the Region ... big week for both schools trying to dodge Isaac!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 05, 2012, 01:44:54 PM
This weeks SAA action, Predictions anyone?
Millsaps
at LaGrange, Majors by 17


Birmingham Southern
at Huntingdon, D3 championship of Alabama, BSC big!

Washington (Mo.)
at Rhodes  WashU wins on the road by 14

Washington and Lee
at Sewanee, Tigers win at home, 2003 was the last year the Tigers got the W over W&L. Go Tigers!

Rose-Hulman
at Centre Centre by 21
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 05, 2012, 01:46:50 PM
Sewanee 2012 Media Guide

http://issuu.com/sewaneeathletics/docs/2012sewaneefootball__2_/37
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 06, 2012, 10:56:00 AM
Game notes from W&L for their game on the Mountain. Series began in 1982

http://www.generalssports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/sewaneenotes
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 06, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on September 06, 2012, 10:56:00 AM
Game notes from W&L for their game on the Mountain. Series began in 1982

http://www.generalssports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/sewaneenotes

I think you mean 1892...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 06, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
damn those poor typing skils! thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 06, 2012, 01:08:38 PM
And I can't wait to go this weekend. Hopefully W&L will extend their series record winning streak to 8!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 07, 2012, 08:35:48 AM
I'm sad as circumstances are going to keep me away from the Mountain this weekend.   The hope is that we'll be more competitive this year with W&L but it's going to require much more from our defense than what they showed against UPS last week.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 07, 2012, 09:48:09 PM
Links to video feeds for this week's SAA games:

W&L at Sewanee:
http://atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Players/Sewanee%20Football.htm

Birmingham-Southern at Huntingdon:
http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/huntingdon.portal?mode=link#

Millsaps at LaGrange:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/lagrange-college-athletics

Wash U at Rhodes (subscription req'd):
http://www.rhodeslynx.com/sports/2010/10/20/GEN_1020102926.aspx?id=390

Rose-Hulman at Centre (subscription req'd):
http://www.collegetvticket.com/
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 08, 2012, 04:10:29 PM
Scores from around the league as of 3PM CT:

W&L 14, UoS 6  14:54 4Q

Huntingdon 17, B-SC 14  4Q

Millsaps 55, LaGrange 7 Late 4Q

WashU 17, Rhodes 10 Early 4Q

Trying to get updates on the B-SC and Rhodes scores...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 08, 2012, 04:18:23 PM
Looks like the offenses waited until the 4Q to show up in Montgomery.... B-SC 31 - Huntingdon 24.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 08, 2012, 04:21:00 PM
And WashU and Rhodes are now tied at 17.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 08, 2012, 04:24:00 PM
W&L starting to pull away a bit in the 4Q on the Mountain,  with the score 28-6 at the 7:37 mark in the 4Q.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 08, 2012, 04:31:09 PM
B-SC scores on a big TD to extend the score to 45-24 with just under 7:00 left in the 4Q.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 08, 2012, 04:38:11 PM
Huntingdon isn't quitting.  B-SC 45 Huntingdon 31

And they recover the on-side kick.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 08, 2012, 04:47:23 PM
Rhodes scores 1st in OT with a FG.  Rhodes 20 - WashU 17.

Late dogfight in Montgomery with Huntingdon attempting a comeback but fighting both B-SC and the officials.  Score is 45-38 with B-SC recovering the on-side kick.  Around 2:30 in the game.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: pbrooks3 on September 08, 2012, 04:48:26 PM
Rhodes defeats Wash U 20-17 in one OT.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 08, 2012, 04:49:20 PM
Rhodes defeats WashU 20-17 in OT.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: pbrooks3 on September 08, 2012, 04:56:03 PM
The Rhodes game was won with a 37-yard field goal on the initial Lynx possession of the OT. Wash U then proceeded to lose about 20 yards on penalties in their OT possession and never threatened to score. Good start at the new Crain Field for Rhodes!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 08, 2012, 04:58:47 PM
B-SC holds off a strong late 4Q comeback by Huntingdon to win 45-38.    Score was 17-14 Huntingdon early in the 4th quarter.    Wildly entertaining ballgame.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on September 08, 2012, 05:06:25 PM
great game on the computer.... i hope B Southern goes undefeated (and that is tough on me to say)
i am unsure if either team has much of a defense or both teams have pretty good  O's ???
Fun game to watch, even though Huntingdon came up short (same type game as last year with a similar outcome) :'(

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: footballfan413 on September 08, 2012, 05:18:21 PM
To fans of D-3 football everywhere.  I am honored to have been asked to spread the word regarding a new cancer fund that has been established to help Tom Pattison, UW-W sports broadcaster and founder of www.warhawkfootball.com    I and my family know, all to well, how a cancer diagnosis can be devastating to a families daily lives and finances. Please, consider making even the smallest donation to Tom.

The following is an open letter by Retired UW-W Coach Bob Berezowitz:

Team Tom Cancer Fund Drive established

Once a Warhawk, always a Warhawk are the often spoken words by Tom Pattison, longtime "voice" of the Warhawks. Over the many years of broadcasting UW-Whitewater football, basketball and baseball games on KOOL 106.5 (and prior to that (940 WFAW), Tom has "bled purple" during each one of his broadcasts.

Unfortunately, on May 28, 2012 Tom was diagnosed with advanced stage 2 colon cancer. He underwent colorectal cancer surgery in Fort Atkinson and in the process has developed astronomical hospital and medical bills.

Tom has already gone through the first phase of radiation treatment at the UW Cancer Clinic along with chemotherapy with phase two starting later this month.

Tom has given his heart and soul to Warhawk athletics over his 25 years of living here in southern Wisconsin. He served six years as the president of the UW-Whitewater Quarterback Club and still serves on the club's board of directors.

In 2003 Tom founded Warhawkfootball.com where Warhawk fans, players, former players and parents have been able to view up-to-date Warhawk football news and information 365 days a year. Nearly 1.5 million visitors have clicked onto the Website over the years.

The Website that has been funded entirely by Tom has been a popular "voice" for Warhawk football fans not only locally but around the world.

Well now Tom needs your assistance in his battle with cancer.

With the help and leadership of UW-Whitewater Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Dr. Paul Plinke and former Warhawk football coach Bob Berezowitz and KOOL 106.5 Radio a team has been set up to lead a campaign to raise funds for Tom.

The "Team Tom Cancer Fund" has been established through Commercial Bank in Whitewater and is now accepting donations.

Donations may be sent to: Team Tom Cancer Fund, c/o Commercial Bank, 200 South Freemont St. Whitewater, WI 53190


The fund raising drive will also include Tom Pattison Day at Perkins Stadium on Oct. 6, 2012. More details will be announced shortly.

"I have known Tom for many years while coaching and now in retirement," Berezowitz said. "There is not another person who has given more of himself to help promote UW-Whitewater football. He is always writing articles for both past and present players that are published on his Website.

It is now our turn to say "thank you" for his efforts by considering making a donation to the to assist Tom in his time of need.

Go Warhawks,
Bob Berezowitz
UW-Whitewater Football Coach/Retired
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on September 08, 2012, 08:28:46 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 08, 2012, 04:47:23 PM

Late dogfight in Montgomery with Huntingdon attempting a comeback but fighting both B-SC and the officials.  Score is 45-38 with B-SC recovering the on-side kick.  Around 2:30 in the game.
I'll say a big YEP to that one. I don't know that we even deserved to win as bad as we played, too many missed tackles, blown coverages and big plays given up in general, but our guys sure showed a lot of guts coming back like that at the end and having the two shots at the end-zone to at least tie it. Three years in a row losing to these guys sure stinks. Maybe we can get them next year.

Go Hawks!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on September 08, 2012, 09:19:44 PM
Congratulations to teams in the newly formed SAA!  As the new conference begins to sort itself out, we seem to be well represented in the Top 25/TRV.  Will look forward to seeing these young teams develop through the season.
I come from a "mixed" family - graduates from Millsaps, Rhodes, and BSC (with one unfortunate graduate from Ole Miss' nursing school, though she redeemed herself with a Masters from Emory).  We may even cover another school with one last chance - perhaps one of our new entering SAA schools like Berry.
So it's always fun at my house!
Good luck to everyone this year!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: pbrooks3 on September 09, 2012, 12:04:16 AM
Centre records its 2nd win tonight in their home opener in Danville against Rose Hulman 49-21.  The Colonels have been a scoring machine having racked up 13 touchdowns in 2 weeks of play.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: PrayingColonel on September 09, 2012, 09:56:57 PM
Centre cracks the top 25 at #23. Congratulations Colonels!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
Quote from: PrayingColonel on September 09, 2012, 09:56:57 PM
Centre cracks the top 25 at #23. Congratulations Colonels!

Well-deserved, too.  Going to be some interesting games down the stretch between Centre, B-SC, Millsaps, and Trinity, all of whom are playing well and really don't want to have any losses this year since playoff bids are going to be so hard to come by.  Wesley probably has the pool B bid locked up, barring upset, so all those teams will be fighting for a C.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2012, 10:38:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
Quote from: PrayingColonel on September 09, 2012, 09:56:57 PM
Centre cracks the top 25 at #23. Congratulations Colonels!

Well-deserved, too.  Going to be some interesting games down the stretch between Centre, B-SC, Millsaps, and Trinity, all of whom are playing well and really don't want to have any losses this year since playoff bids are going to be so hard to come by.  Wesley probably has the pool B bid locked up, barring upset, so all those teams will be fighting for a C.
Wesley must beat UMHB this weekend.

If Trinity and Wesley only lose to UMHB, but Trinity has more South Region wins, the criteria might favor Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2012, 09:25:22 AM
Good point, Ralph - but Wesley's SOS is probably going to knock that of the SAA teams out of the park.   Trinity playing what appears to be three teams in the lower half of the ASC won't help them, either (UMHB will, but not enough).  Would 9-1 over 5-1 in-region overcome a substantial SOS deficit? 

Centre and B-SC both get Trinity at home this season; 9-1 will be tough, though I'm encouraged by what I've seen from the Tigers so far. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2012, 07:34:42 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2012, 09:25:22 AM
Good point, Ralph - but Wesley's SOS is probably going to knock that of the SAA teams out of the park.   Trinity playing what appears to be three teams in the lower half of the ASC won't help them, either (UMHB will, but not enough).  Would 9-1 over 5-1 in-region overcome a substantial SOS deficit? 

Centre and B-SC both get Trinity at home this season; 9-1 will be tough, though I'm encouraged by what I've seen from the Tigers so far.
Centre, BSC and UMHB may be regionally ranked games too.

For Wesley, it would be Salisbury, BSC and UMHB.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 12, 2012, 05:50:33 AM
Picks for the week:

Millsaps
at Point, Majors win big v. NAIA opponent, 28+ margin

Ave Maria
at Birmingham Southern, BSC by 35

Sewanee
at Maryville (Tenn.), Tigers over Scots by 15

Claremont-M-S
at Rhodes, Rhodes loses to west coast Stags by 7

Centre
at Washington and Lee, Centre by 10
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 15, 2012, 05:13:15 PM
Results from today's game:
B-SC 61 - Ave Maria 14 :  B-SC was up 40-0 at the half.

Maryville 24 - Sewanee 14 :  Maryville comes back in the 4Q to beat Sewanee.

Rhodes 21 - Claremont Mudd Scripps 17

Millsaps 54 - Point 28

The Centre  - W&L game kicks at 7PM ET.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 15, 2012, 08:05:26 PM
Generals up 21-10 at the end of the first half. Could have been wider. The Generals fumbled a goal line possession with about 2 minutes to go in the half. Centre's offensive line looks confused with some of the blitzes W&L has done when they are in passing downs. The Colonels are definitely struggling against the General's offense. Similarly, Centre has had at least 2 good drives showcasing their offense and, when they pass block, look very tough to stop. They seem to want to run, which isn't working all that well.

The Generals will kick off to lead the second half, but Centre has some work cut out for them, especially proving they can stop the General's offense to catch up. Looks similar to last year where Centre made the second half adjustments to come back and win, but can they do the same on the road and without the bye week to prepare?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 16, 2012, 09:07:38 AM
Looks like W&L was able to hold off the Centre comeback to win 34-16.  The description in the W&L press release makes it sound like a really entertaining ball game.  Going to make for an interesting time for when B-SC has to play CC here in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 16, 2012, 09:21:25 AM
To be honest, it wasn't all that close of a game. Centre could move the ball, as evidenced by the yards, so long as they were outside the Generals 30 yard line. After that, they ran out of options. Centre had 2 really good drives, and winning the onside kick made it slightly more nervy for the Generals than it needed to be, but there wasn't a quarter where the Generals didn't outscore the Colonels and it never looked like the Colonels were going to make a serious run from mid third through the 4th. Last year's game was much more competitive and closer. Centre is going to have to be much better if they are going to challenge B-SC or Trinity.

The QB looks to be the difference to me from last year, which is understandable going from Senior to Soph. He made some good throws, some bad throws (could have been picked twice if W&L held on to the throws), and it looked like for almost the middle half of the game Centre's coaches lost a little faith in him and went to a lot of running plays. When they let him throw short or run off a read, he was pretty effective, but by that time the Generals were already in soft defense (mid-third) so those 6-8 yard passes were open from the 20 to the 30 yard line. After that, the Generals would clamp down and he lost his easy outlets. He does look like a winner as he picks up some experience. Good athleticism and he seemed to do his reads pretty well.

Defensively, Centre had no answer for the Generals. W&L mixed in just enough passes to keep them from putting more than 7 in the box and Centre was completely flummoxed by sweeps. With 7 in the box if the sweep got to the edge they were sealed off. They moved one man back to prevent it, W&L faked the sweep and ran through holes in the middle. Unless they improve, they are not the team I saw last year considering I think W&L is also a weaker version of the last 2 years. Be interesting to see if Sewanee has the same effect on them as the Generals.

Just like last year, I think these two teams are somewhat evenly matched despite vastly different styles and the home team probably wins. Last year there was no doubt in my mind W&L wins that game at home. This year I think Centre probably would have won at home, but it would have been just as tight as last year.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 19, 2012, 07:21:38 AM
SAA Predictions:

Sep. 22    Sewanee       Austin    Sewanee needs road win to get back on track, Tigers by 13   
      
             Kalamazoo       Centre    Centre gets right at home, wins by 21   
      
     Birmingham Southern       Rhodes       BSC bust Rhodes balloon win by 17
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2012, 04:00:08 PM
Looks like an interesting game with BS-C up on Rhodes with a score of 10-2 at the start of the 4Q.   Rhodes looks to have had the better game from a stats standpoint but have only managed to put up a safety on the scoreboard.

Sewanee beats Austin College today by a score of 31-10 with 376 yds rushing out of 395 total.

Kalamazoo mounting a bit of comeback on Centre as they've scored twice so far in the 3Q to close to 28-23 at Centre.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2012, 05:17:24 PM
Both B-SC and Centre hold on for wins.   

B-SC adds a late score to beat Rhodes 16-2. 

Centre also scores late to put away Kalamazoo 35-23.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 27, 2012, 06:45:19 AM
SAA predictions Week 5:

Sept. 29

   Millsaps    at      Centre          1:30 PM    Centre by 10
      
     Willamette          Sewanee          2:00 PM    Tiger run game prevails over pass heavy west coast Bearcats
      
     Austin          Birmingham-Southern          BSC by 20
      
     Rhodes          Trinity (Texas)                  See if Rhodes is for real, Tigers by 10 at home.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2012, 04:58:01 PM
Looks like it will be a sloppy game in San Antonio.  50% chance of rain Friday, 80% Friday night, 100% Saturday, and it's a grass field. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on September 29, 2012, 05:19:11 PM
Millsaps and Centre were two closely matched teams today and statistically were very close as well.  Shows you what a coupla breaks can do to the final score.  Millsaps 33, Centre 16.

The major difference may have been in TOP (which I think Centre will dominate).  Other differences - Centre's limited ability in the passing game and two-minute offense, creative Millsaps offense and Pinciotti's arm, Millsaps defense on critical downs (TFLs and 7 sacks). 

Centre's QB Heath Haden had a really fine game rushing 34 times (112 yards, 2 fumbles lost) and passing 34 attempts (189 yards).  Millsaps' Pinciotti was 17-27 for 232, throwing his first interceptions (2) of the year and one touchdown.

Nice 53-yard field goal by Centre's kicker Jordan Gay (school record).  He's got a thunder foot!

As Pat said in the column this week, this conference will supply multiple tests for all of the top teams.  Millsaps has #24 Huntingdon next week then Rhodes, Trinity and #16 Birmingham Southern further down the way.

Shout out to Millsaps RB Mike Barthelemy, injured in first half when involved in the tackle on an interception return.  In the first half he had 57 yards on 17 carries and did not return to play in the 2nd half.

Maybe Millsaps is for real ... time will tell.  My prediction?  They'll pick up a few votes this week.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on September 29, 2012, 05:33:38 PM
totally off on the TOP.  Millsaps carried that stat, with good conversion percentages (50% on third down and 1-1 on 4th down) and adequate running game.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 29, 2012, 10:03:04 PM
Tough loss on the Mountain today for the Tigers as Willamette defeated Sewanee on a 28-24 score.  Couple of penalties on the defense help Willamette keep the go-ahead drive going and then a fumble on the ensuing possession kills us.   We pin them on the goal and hold them there but the Bearcats defense steps up and forces Sewanee to a 4-and-out.    Dean had a pretty good game for Willamette and the stats were as expected with Willamette getting tons of yardage through the air and Sewanee on the ground.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2012, 10:19:54 PM
Rhodes had no business being in the game, being outgained by 275+ yards, but the opportunistic Lynx took advantage of several Trinity turnovers to stay close.  After their longest drive of the night and trailing 30-22, they were finally turned away with less than two minutes left inside the Trinity 10 when freshman Blake Box* (30-51, 228 yds, 1 TD/1 Int) could not connect with Jack Lartigue on 4th and five. 

The Lynx only had 212 total yards as they were unable to get a running game going (-16 net yards).  Mr. Lartigue accounted for 160 of those 212 yards, and one score, on 18 receptions. 

* - Box is from Austin!   >:(
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on September 29, 2012, 11:21:26 PM
Obviously another fine game from McKissic and from RB Desmond King, a well-balanced attack.  The Tigers have an unenviable schedule over the next three weeks though.  Birmingham Southern may be the test for everybody, and Centre is certainly tough, and will look forward to the coming showdown with Millsaps at the end of October.
Sounds like the gauntlet at the top of the SAA that Pat Coleman referred to in the Triple Take article this week (even though he missed the call on the Millsaps/Centre game).  :)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 02, 2012, 06:32:49 AM
Berry College new helmet design:

http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/20323628/article-Berry-football--Vikings-unveil-helmet-design-for-2013-season?instance=home_page
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 02, 2012, 05:44:28 PM
Birmingham Southern vs Wesley       Wesley gets the home win in a close one by 5

Huntingdon vs Millsaps                    Millsaps shows they are for real by 2

Rhodes vs Austin                           Rhodes loses a heartbreaker in Texas by 3

Centre vs Sewanee                        Centre gets back on track by 14
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 02, 2012, 05:46:52 PM
Thanks for the Berry info, Shoreman.  I may have a rising Viking at my house ...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 03, 2012, 05:46:03 AM
No problem Major Rev. Berry sounds like a beautiful campus. Hope your son gives Sewanee a look also.

As for predictions.

Wesley by 10.
Millsaps by 14
Rhodes too much for Austin, win by 14
Going with the Tigers, although Centre is a huge handful. Tigers by 7.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
This week's South ATR (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2012/Being-BSC-backup-isnt-all-bad) features BSC backup tailback Joe Moultrie.  Good read.

I'm shocked that we haven't seen any BSC fans here, to be honest.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 03, 2012, 11:46:25 AM
Living in Birmingham I can tell you there is just about 0 chatter about Birmingham Southern. This is Tide and Tiger territory, and even people who went to B-SC tend to follow one of the majors. I have a co-worker who went to W&L with me, her husband graduated B-SC. They go to Tuscaloosa every weekend with his family as they did when he was growing up. It's going to be a long uphill climb for B-SC to win any kind of following even among its own alumni. Samford, UAB, UNA, Troy, etc all have similar problems. People are partial to Alabama or Auburn when it comes to football, not so much their alma mater.

An interesting story, I was listening to a local sports radio station yesterday a.m. and they got sidetracked into discussing a late 80s Iron Bowl for some reason. The B-SC AD called in to mention their huge game this weekend and that they are ranked 11th in the country (AFCA Poll). He wasn't on long and a caller or two later called in to the show and asked why they let the AD on the air when there was clearly a much more interesting and important conversation that he interrupted. Such is life in Birmingham...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2012, 12:04:03 PM
which is exactly why I'd expect to see a few parents, at least, find their way here.   Where else are they going to talk about it?  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2012, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2012, 12:04:03 PM
which is exactly why I'd expect to see a few parents, at least, find their way here.   Where else are they going to talk about it?  ;)

I posted a link in the story. Let's see if that helps.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 03, 2012, 12:36:09 PM
It's a shocker until you do the math.  After over 100 years of graduates at Millsaps, the total number of alumni equals to about the same as the CURRENT STUDENT BODY at most of the SEC schools.  And most of our D3 schools are dwarfed by the high schools in the largest classifications.

I don't look for local sports talk radio to EVER care much about D3 sports.  There just isn't the fan base.  My daughter really enjoyed AD Joe Dean during her 4 years at BSC (tennis), even when the athletes were in shock finding out about the transition to D3 during their exams.  I admire him for holding out hope!   :D

That game against Wesley should be a good one to watch on-line and expecially of interest to other contenders in the SAA and the South Region independents.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 03, 2012, 02:16:16 PM
Similar situation in San Antonio. You'd think that the ONLY collegiate team in San Antonio prior to 2009 would receive some sort of attention, especially given how dominating Trinity was during the late 90's to early 2000's. I remember reading an article three or four years ago saying that it was ridiculous how the program didn't have more spectators, but that's Division III football for you! Now with the addition of Incarnate Word and UTSA football, Trinity is now 4th tier (behind high school football of course!)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2012, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 03, 2012, 11:46:25 AM
Living in Birmingham I can tell you there is just about 0 chatter about Birmingham Southern. This is Tide and Tiger territory,
One of my son-in-law's groomsmen has a cartoon that says.

"I wear my UAB T-shirt because I went to college there.
You wear your Alabama T-shirt because you went to Wal-Mart."
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 03, 2012, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2012, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 03, 2012, 11:46:25 AM
Living in Birmingham I can tell you there is just about 0 chatter about Birmingham Southern. This is Tide and Tiger territory,
One of my son-in-law's groomsmen has a cartoon that says.

"I wear my UAB T-shirt because I went to college there.
You wear your Alabama T-shirt because you went to Wal-Mart."

That is fantastic. I almost fell out of my chair at work laughing. So true.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on October 03, 2012, 03:34:34 PM
Ralph- no the truth and it will set you free (Walmart.......i know that is the truth)

i wear an AU log on a scrub shirt (that i get ... nasty everyday) just because I can

i have a child today that went to BSC for ubdergrad, i told her that they were undefeated this year...she didn't even know.
She had been a senior when they started the football team.

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 03, 2012, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2012, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 03, 2012, 11:46:25 AM
Living in Birmingham I can tell you there is just about 0 chatter about Birmingham Southern. This is Tide and Tiger territory,
One of my son-in-law's groomsmen has a cartoon that says.

"I wear my UAB T-shirt because I went to college there.
You wear your Alabama T-shirt because you went to Wal-Mart."

That is fantastic. I almost fell out of my chair at work laughing. So true.
At least you did not read it with a mouth full of coffee!

That would have messed up your keyboard.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 03, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
It's always amazed me that Sewanee gets more attention from the national press than from the local media in either Nashville or Chattanooga.  And the national press interest is only in the fact that we're a footnote in the history of the sport.  I think that would hold even had we a recent won-loss record like Mount Union's record.

I think that for most of the SAA schools in recent time,  the game of football has always been a social event rather than sporting event.   I know it's been that way on the Mountain in all thirty years of my association with Sewanee.  B-SC isn't helped by the recent vintage of their program; they don't have that tradition of coming to the party that other places in the league may have to get people out to the stands.   

That's one of the reasons I'm going to be real interested in what kind of support Berry and Hendrix generate for their football programs.

And I agree... going to be really interesting to keep an eye on the B-SC/Wesley game this weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 04, 2012, 11:19:47 AM
This got me curious, so i went to the birmingham southern website and looked up their attendance, stadium is 1600 with grass area. Its not bad, 3 home games at  about 1200, 1400, 2000  and 2 road games at 2000, 2400. D3 school's will never get much attention in any market, let alone in a market with major d1 football school's. If they make a run in the playoffs, they probably get some coverage. Its just more a social event for any d3 campus, which their attendance reflects for school of about 1400 students.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCDad on October 05, 2012, 11:53:12 AM
Ok I'm rising to the bait.  I'm a BSC football parent and have been following this site for about a year now but never took the time to get registerd.  I've been impressed by the level of discourse and courteousness on this forum. BSC has a big game this Saturday versus Wesley; an earlier posted indicated that the game might be livestreaming but "livestats" is the only medium I've been able to find.  Any information on that would be appreciated.

BSC does have a nicely done TV show called "Panther Review." Here is a YouTube link to the program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56FqbzzXRf8&feature=g-all-u
This videographer has highlights from previous games as well.

I agree that it is hard to get much attention for D3 football in the heart of Alabama.  I work at the University of Alabama so I'm in the midst of the maelstrom.  I shared the t-shirt caption with my son and we both had a good laugh. 

Thanks for letting me join the group.   
     
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 05, 2012, 12:07:14 PM
Welcome aboard, BSCDad!  If I could, I would give you  +1 for the effort.  I'm also a BSC dad, and a Lynx dad, though my login reveals three generations of loyalty to Millsaps.

Great year for the football Panthers!  I hope you guys enjoy it, and I'm REALLY looking forward to our November game.  If you guys are coming for it, let me recommend Keifer's Restaurant, Sal and Mookie's, Babalu, or Brent's Drug Store (featured in The Help).  All of these are within a mile of campus.

I'll be in the "Preacher's Pew", top row on the home side, just to the right of the press box.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: @d3jason on October 05, 2012, 12:28:07 PM
Quote from: BSCDad on October 05, 2012, 11:53:12 AM
Ok I'm rising to the bait.  I'm a BSC football parent and have been following this site for about a year now but never took the time to get registerd.  I've been impressed by the level of discourse and courteousness on this forum. BSC has a big game this Saturday versus Wesley; an earlier posted indicated that the game might be livestreaming but "livestats" is the only medium I've been able to find.  Any information on that would be appreciated.

BSC does have a nicely done TV show called "Panther Review." Here is a YouTube link to the program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56FqbzzXRf8&feature=g-all-u
This videographer has highlights from previous games as well.

I agree that it is hard to get much attention for D3 football in the heart of Alabama.  I work at the University of Alabama so I'm in the midst of the maelstrom.  I shared the t-shirt caption with my son and we both had a good laugh. 

Thanks for letting me join the group.   
     

We will be broadcasting the game on WDEL 1150 AM. You could listen in Alabama by going to wdel.com or download the WDEL app for Iphone/Ipad or droid to listen also.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCDad on October 05, 2012, 12:49:06 PM
Thanks d3jason and Major Rev for the great information! 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 05, 2012, 12:53:33 PM
Hey BSCDad I'm going to try and get to the Trinity game next weekend. I'm a W&L grad, but I live here in Birmingham. Haven't been over to the B-SC campus yet, I was sick when the W&L lacrosse team came down a couple years ago. I'll definitely be rooting for the home team. Short of when the SAA plays an ODAC team, they get my support. Helps that I've been to Centre, Millsaps, Sewanee and Rhodes over the years for various reasons.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2012, 01:17:07 PM
Welcome, BSCDad.   Good to have someone to represent the Panthers, please tell your fellow parents that we welcome them as well.   Very impressive year so far, and what a talent you have in Shawn Morris ... who I hope is healthy for tomorrow's game as you'll need all the weapons you can get against the Wolverines.  Good luck!

[I gave you a +1 on behalf of Major Rev too  :)]
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 05, 2012, 02:34:34 PM
Just an FYI folks..I noticed that the score board for the DIII game between Wesley and BSC does not list a radio feed. You can listen to the game on the web site WDEL radio. I can't say that the anouncer are completely neutral but Sean Green is a very good play by play announcer and Jason Bowen who used to write the south column for DIII is the color commentator.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 05, 2012, 07:47:25 PM
Welcome BSCdad!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on October 06, 2012, 12:39:23 PM
Quote from: BSCDad on October 05, 2012, 11:53:12 AM
Ok I'm rising to the bait.  I'm a BSC football parent and have been following this site for about a year now but never took the time to get registerd.  I've been impressed by the level of discourse and courteousness on this forum. BSC has a big game this Saturday versus Wesley; an earlier posted indicated that the game might be livestreaming but "livestats" is the only medium I've been able to find.  Any information on that would be appreciated.

BSC does have a nicely done TV show called "Panther Review." Here is a YouTube link to the program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56FqbzzXRf8&feature=g-all-u
This videographer has highlights from previous games as well.

I agree that it is hard to get much attention for D3 football in the heart of Alabama.  I work at the University of Alabama so I'm in the midst of the maelstrom.  I shared the t-shirt caption with my son and we both had a good laugh. 

Thanks for letting me join the group.   
     

Welcome! Always excited to see new posters!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 06, 2012, 08:41:02 PM
Congratulations to Huntingdon and Wesley on their wins today.  Millsaps came out on top of the stats just ahead of the Hawks, but the Hawks did a better job of converting their opportunities and took the win today.  With the Birmingham Southern loss, the SAA is still wide open.
I spoke to Huntingdon's Coach Turk following the game, who was very complimentary of Millsaps.

Obviously, Sewanee had a good game against Centre, though Centre took that one 10-7.  Hopefully the upcoming presidential debate up there won't distract their attention too much next week. ;D

Congratulations to Rhodes on their road win at Austin.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on October 06, 2012, 09:32:04 PM
Turk is a good guy, we have enjoyed our series with yall.
I spoke with him earlier this week and they were preparing for a war in Jackson
Millsaps is a class outfit

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 07, 2012, 12:45:48 AM
Thanks for the kind words.

And no offense intended here - but it's still just a game; war is what happens in Afghanistan.  But it IS a great game, isn't it!

Good luck to the Hawks the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCDad on October 09, 2012, 12:06:26 PM
Thanks for the welcoming words everyone.  Tough loss for my BSC guys to Wesley.  I listened to the game via wdel.com and I appreciate the heads-up on that.  The Wesley announcers did an excellent job...I only yelled at the computer a couple of times...(smile).  Wesley has an excellent team it is clear but BSC hung with them.  Another strong test this weekend versus Trinity.  Based on what I have read here and elsewhere BSC will probably have to win the rest of their games to have a shot at a playoff berth.  That's going to be difficult but exciting.
 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 09, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
Oct 13 Predictions

Trinity (Tex.)       Birmingham Southern       BSC wins at home in bounce back game, 28-17

      
Sewanee               Millsaps                       Tigers coming off a tough loss, beat the Majors at home 21-17
      
Rhodes               Macalester                        Rhodes takes the long distance road win 21-10
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2012, 04:52:26 PM
Gotta say the Millsaps prediction seems a bit out there.  Sewanee (2-4) is going to come off the Mountain and beat a one-loss Millsaps team that's fighting for its own playoff life? 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 09, 2012, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2012, 04:52:26 PM
Gotta say the Millsaps prediction seems a bit out there.  Sewanee (2-4) is going to come off the Mountain and beat a one-loss Millsaps team that's fighting for its own playoff life?

Not the Sewanee team I saw week 2 vs to the Millsaps team that played with Huntingdon. But upsets happen!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 09, 2012, 07:24:59 PM
If the game was on the Mountain, I'd think we would hang with the Majors and have an outside chance at an upset.  But with the game in Jackson: I'd think that we'll keep it close for a quarter, maybe for the 1st half, and then they stretch it out to a win.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on October 09, 2012, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 09, 2012, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2012, 04:52:26 PM
Gotta say the Millsaps prediction seems a bit out there.  Sewanee (2-4) is going to come off the Mountain and beat a one-loss Millsaps team that's fighting for its own playoff life?

Not the Sewanee team I saw week 2 vs to the Millsaps team that played with Huntingdon. But upsets happen!

I have seen both these Teams first hand, Millsaps wins....BIG
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 10, 2012, 10:01:50 AM
I'll admit to being a "homer" on the Sewanee prediction, but the Tigers played them very strong last year with the option game.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: river on October 10, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
Just wanted to stir the trash talk pot a bit.  Here's an excerpt from a post from "Onlinemom" who identifies herself as, I believe, an ODAC/Bridgewater fan:

"Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #32051 on: October 08, 2012, 02:57:54 am »
. . . .  It was interesting to read all that hype from Sewanee pretending to be a football power.  Their other name is the University of the South and they (faculty & students) parade around in the monkey suits (the black regalia most of us have to wear at graduation) every day and pretend they're better than Oxford University.  Truthfully if it rained, most of them would drown just like the turkeys raised for Thanksgiving dinner and for the same reason.  Now I hear they're a football power.  There are lots of football powers in the Southeast, but Sewanee isn't one of them. . . .   Love,  OLINEMOM"

Is there a big rivalry between the UAA and the ODAC?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 10, 2012, 11:00:47 PM
Quote from: river on October 10, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
Just wanted to stir the trash talk pot a bit.  Here's an excerpt from a post from "Onlinemom" who identifies herself as, I believe, an ODAC/Bridgewater fan:

"Re: Northwest Conference
« Reply #32051 on: October 08, 2012, 02:57:54 am »
. . . .  It was interesting to read all that hype from Sewanee pretending to be a football power.  Their other name is the University of the South and they (faculty & students) parade around in the monkey suits (the black regalia most of us have to wear at graduation) every day and pretend they're better than Oxford University.  Truthfully if it rained, most of them would drown just like the turkeys raised for Thanksgiving dinner and for the same reason.  Now I hear they're a football power.  There are lots of football powers in the Southeast, but Sewanee isn't one of them. . . .   Love,  OLINEMOM"

Is there a big rivalry between the UAA and the ODAC?

Not particularly. W&L plays Sewanee and Centre almost every year. W&L has had a lot of historical success against Sewanee, and Centre has had almost identical success against W&L. But I don't know of any other ODAC teams that play regularly against SAA teams in football. Not sure what set her off, but she is part of the "Stone Station Crew" that does a fabulous job every year in Salem. Just a really nice, welcoming, hard working crew that make the Stagg special for fans. Linfield came to Salem back when Bridgewater was in their heyday, so she is probably friendly with them and just wanted to join their conversation. I wouldn't read much into it.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wesleydad on October 10, 2012, 11:12:30 PM
know the olinemom and i am totally suprized that or if she wrote that.  Went to the northwest conf and saw the post.  no idea as to where that came from, but it was written at 2+ am, so take it for what it is worth.  I have known her for a couple of years and have never heard her say much negative about anyone.  not sure what to make of that.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2012, 12:41:11 AM
What 'hype from Sewanee pretending to be a football power'?  Good grief.  I think someone must have hacked olinemom's account or something because as wesleydad says, this doesn't sound like her at all. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on October 11, 2012, 09:21:42 AM
olinemom makes great brownies. We drive to Salem each yr for the brownies. the fried turkey, BBQ, company of folk, stew, gun show, and football game are all secondary to her brownies.

she reallly is a real nice person......who happens to make great brownies
keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 11, 2012, 11:01:22 AM
I'm perplexed because my comments over in the NWC forum that olinemom (or whomever hacked the account) appears to have been responding about really didn't make any claims about Sewanee being a "football power".    I'll hold to my comments about Willamette's defense and nothing in the reports I've read about their game with Whitworth would cause me to change my opinion about them.  Going to be real interesting to see what happens when they play Linfield.

Have to admit that the "Sewanee mindset" can rub people wrong sometimes.... we're pretty proud about our history and accomplishments both on and off the field.   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2012, 11:09:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2012, 12:41:11 AM
What 'hype from Sewanee pretending to be a football power'?  Good grief.  I think someone must have hacked olinemom's account or something because as wesleydad says, this doesn't sound like her at all.
Yeah, the same North Korean hackers that hit the US last weekend got into Olinemom's account.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2012, 11:16:35 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 11, 2012, 11:01:22 AM
I'm perplexed because my comments over in the NWC forum that olinemom (or whomever hacked the account) appears to have been responding about really didn't make any claims about Sewanee being a "football power".    I'll hold to my comments about Willamette's defense and nothing in the reports I've read about their game with Whitworth would cause me to change my opinion about them.  Going to be real interesting to see what happens when they play Linfield.

Have to admit that the "Sewanee mindset" can rub people wrong sometimes.... we're pretty proud about our history and accomplishments both on and off the field.

All I really saw on those boards was you or someone else putting up some of the pre-game fun facts and then a comment or two post-game that was benign. I think we've put this molehill up on Sewanee's Mountain!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 11, 2012, 12:19:35 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 11, 2012, 11:16:35 AM
All I really saw on those boards was you or someone else putting up some of the pre-game fun facts and then a comment or two post-game that was benign. I think we've put this molehill up on Sewanee's Mountain!
I'd agree about it being a minor thing; was a bit of an unexpected reaction.   I would like to see more OOC games between the SAA/ODAC.  Would make sense from a travel standpoint and would like to build some rivalry with some of the other schools in that league other than W&L.

As for this weekend... it's the start of an interesting month in the league with B-SC, Centre, and Millsaps all facing each other on upcoming weeks.    Mix in the fact that Trinity has to face B-SC this week and follow that up with Centre and we see an interesting combination of games to figure out who might get that elusive Pool B bid.    And the wonderful joy of facing Wesley (again, for some...)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2012, 12:32:43 PM
Agreed. I was really sad when Centre and W&L suspended their long-standing tradition in the early/mid 2000s. Was so happy to see it return last year and really hope it stays. With the ODAC up to 8 teams, W&L has two of the OOCs covered every year with Sewanee and Centre, two schools that share the Generals' mission and values. I couldn't be happier about that. The annual game against a Centennial team allows us to to go S (Sewanee), W (Centre), and N (from W&L anyway). That covers most of our major recruiting areas. Plus our conference games are compact and limit travel. I believe W&L really gets the best of all worlds from their schedule. Now if only they would add Birmingham Southern to boost the SOS a bit and to give me an easy drive to one game every year (providing a home and home in off years from Sewanee!).
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 13, 2012, 03:11:01 PM
Looks like B-SC is catching up to Trinity late in the game, with the score 23-21 in favor of Trinity with 6:38 remaining.    Millsaps is up 28-7 late in the 2Q over Sewanee.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 13, 2012, 03:23:30 PM
And Trinity drives it right back in for the TD.  Trinity leads 30-21.

Half in Jackson with Millsaps leading Sewanee 35-14.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 13, 2012, 03:30:05 PM
Gone final in Birmingham with Trinity beating B-SC 30-21.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 13, 2012, 03:49:15 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 13, 2012, 03:30:05 PM
Gone final in Birmingham with Trinity beating B-SC 30-21.

Went to this game as much as my 3 year old daughter would stay for. First time I'd been to B-SC and it is a nice little stadium. Great facilities all around from what I can tell. As far as football, I was unimpressed. I expected to see two very good football teams and what I saw didn't really match up.

There is no doubt that both these teams have better athletes than I'm used to seeing in D3, but I didn't think they played all that good of a football game from an execution, scheme, or adjustment perspective. Trinity can't defend the pass. They can rush the passer, but they have no secondary and constantly leave open men down field.

Fortunately, B-SC can't or won't pass unless they have to. They make their living running two running backs. Sadly for B-SC, Trinity was very good at stuffing the line. B-SC could have thrown all day. In fact, anyone could have thrown all day provided they had more than 4 seconds protection. I can see why SRSU killed Trinity. B-SC was just too one dimensional into Trinity's strength for most of the game. They went 17-21 passing for 11 yards plus per play. And yet the whole middle of the game they did nothing but run for an average of 3 yards per play. Most passes came in the fourth on the last couple drives.

Trinity was a solid team, but didn't look anything special. They didn't look particularly good passing, missing open men regularly and almost never down field. They were rushing well enough not to need the pass, so at least it made sense.

Anyway, my opinion of B-SC is they are not as good as I had thought and Trinity, despite their two blowout losses, is a much better team than many in the South. Interesting outcome and I lay a lot of it on B-SC's failure to throw in the middle of the game. It certainly has me re-thinking my rankings...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 13, 2012, 03:59:05 PM
I don't think you can justify saying that BSC is not a "good team", especially given the way they played Wesley. From what I saw today I will agree with you that their game plan against Trinity was just not very smart. Trinity has a very dominant defensive line but are really getting killed in the secondary bevause they have had nobody step up at the safety position with the loss of Barrett and Dubose. Any time a team opens it up in the air against TU (Sul Ross) they will then have a much easier time on the ground. BSC definitely should have tried more through the air. I don't understand why every team doesn't go to an air attack against them, honestly.

Good win for Trinity though.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 13, 2012, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 13, 2012, 03:59:05 PM
I don't think you can justify saying that BSC is not a "good team", especially given the way they played Wesley. From what I saw today I will agree with you that their game plan against Trinity was just not very smart. Trinity has a very dominant defensive line but are really getting killed in the secondary bevause they have had nobody step up at the safety position with the loss of Barrett and Dubose. Any time a team opens it up in the air against TU (Sul Ross) they will then have a much easier time on the ground. BSC definitely should have tried more through the air. I don't understand why every team doesn't go to an air attack against them, honestly.

Good win for Trinity though.
Nowhere in my post do I say they are "not a good team". I do say they weren't as good as I thought they would be. Please read the posts before putting words in people's mouths.

I did say they had better athletes than I'm used to seeing and I did say that Trinity is better than their losses. I just balanced that by saying B-SC didn't play a particularly good game plan, the one they had didn't work very well, and that I can easily see how a strong passing team could beat Trinity. That is different than saying either one is "not a good team"
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 13, 2012, 04:49:04 PM
And we have a final in Jackson, Millsaps wins 42-28 over Sewanee.   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 13, 2012, 10:33:06 PM
Pretty good first half from the Majors today who led 35-14 at the break.  (Second half got a little sloppy.)  Strong day for several of the Majors offensively who at the half had won the battle for first downs 17-10.  Final statistics included: Pinciotti (199 yds passing, 2 TDs - 1 rushing, 1 passing), Barthelemy (122 yds rushing, 2 TDs), Joplin (99 receiving, 1 TD), King (92 receiving, 2 TDs).

Sewanee showed why they have a top 10 rated rushing offense running out of a double wing option, putting together several good drives against a good Millsaps defense.  But lacking a passing game (dead last in D3), the Tigers could never generate enough pace on offense to catch up.  Pre-season All-American Jeb White led the Majors with 12 tackles, anchoring a defensive scheme well-prepared for the Sewanee rushing attack.  Other defenders, all with 8 tackles, were Arnold, Bell, and Martin.  Kudos to the defensive coaching staff for a good plan, preparation, and execution.

Sewanee's defense was led by J.D. Crabtree with 12 tackles, but that's good news for him, bad news for the Tigers - he's a safety.  It's never a good sign when the other team is getting into the second level of your defense on a regular basis.

Should be good preparation for a later game with BSC, who run a similar offense. 
But there are other matters to take care of first - Rhodes, Trinity, Austin!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 13, 2012, 10:37:36 PM
AND BY THE WAY ...

Thanks, you guys, for making me watch the Mississippi Miracle yet once again in the article about Top 10 Plays of the D3football.com Era.  I didn't even have to look to know it was number one.  I always liked the "Chalk Talk" version of it best!

Oh well, I guess if you're gonna be victimized by a play, it might as well be legendary!

And yes ... I was there!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 17, 2012, 05:26:43 AM
SAA Predictions week week 8:

   Sewanee       Birmingham Southern       Tigers over the Panthers in an upset.

      
     Trinity (Tex.)      Centre                       Colonels by 7 at Danville.
      
     Millsaps       Rhodes                               Lynx knock off the Majors by 3.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 17, 2012, 09:48:48 AM
Shoreman you make the Sewanee pick almost every week! I admire your persistance, but I wouldn't spot you money in Vegas! The way to beat B-SC is through the air, and something tells me Sewanee isn't going to write a whole new playbook to make that happen.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on October 17, 2012, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on October 17, 2012, 05:26:43 AM
SAA Predictions week week 8:

   Sewanee       Birmingham Southern       Tigers over the Panthers in an upset.

      
     Trinity (Tex.)      Centre                       Colonels by 7 at Danville.
      
     Millsaps       Rhodes                               Lynx knock off the Majors by 3.

WOW!!!!! Not too sure about these picks.....
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 17, 2012, 01:16:51 PM
I could see Rhodes putting up a fight against Millsaps - they've played some good football this year.

BSC's two losses have been at both ends of the spectrum (kind of): In the Trinity game they gave up 220 yards rushing and 165 yards passing against a team that (traditionally) is a ground and pound team. Against Wesley they gave up 110 yards rushing and 346 yards passing against a team that (once again, traditionally) likes to throw the ball. Huntingdon nearly beat BSC with 388 passing yards to 174 rushing. Austin college (the closest thing we can compare Sewanee to) put up 267 rushing and 103 passing but still lost 49-21.

I don't think you necessarily beat BSC by piling up yards on them - they allow 389 yards a game. I think the main goal is to contain their high powered offense. In both of their loses they were held to 14 or more points below their usual output. Sewanee's defense has done a pretty nice job this year keeping the lid on things so I could see this being a closer game then some might think.

Centre is right in the middle of things when it comes to total offense and defense. What's interesting is that their pass defense is 31st in the country but their run defense is a horrid 188th. Trinity has liked to pass much more this year but they had a lot of success last week on the ground so I expect them to go to that initially to test Centre's D-line. Unless Centre is able to break down Trinity's secondary early (which I think should be every teams key against them) I don't think Centre is going to be able to do much in this one.

This game is a good set up for next weeks showdown with Millsaps in SA!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2012, 02:58:03 PM
My key to success for the Colonels is to win the turnover battle - they've only turned the ball over four times all season.  Trinity forced six BSC turnovers last week, which was a huge part of the road win.   BSC only had six turnovers prior to facing Trinity.  When Trinity wins the turnover battle they're hard to beat (and they definitely lost it in their two losses). 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 17, 2012, 11:09:30 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 17, 2012, 01:16:51 PM
Sewanee's defense has done a pretty nice job this year keeping the lid on things so I could see this being a closer game then some might think.
That's the big question mark in this game.  If we come out and not let B-SC pop out to an early lead then I think you're right about the score being closer than expected.  Not certain just how much Sewanee's defense is going to be able to do that, tho'. 

Quote from: tigerguy on October 17, 2012, 01:16:51 PM
This game is a good set up for next weeks showdown with Millsaps in SA!
The Majors have to get past Rhodes first.  And the Lynx have been a bit of an enigma for me this year.   This might be the game where I'd take Shoreman up on his prediction.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 18, 2012, 11:12:48 AM
Quote
The Majors have to get past Rhodes first.  And the Lynx have been a bit of an enigma for me this year.   This might be the game where I'd take Shoreman up on his prediction.

I completely agree with you that's why I said its a good set up! If Millsaps wins by a decent margin I think it supplants them in my mind as a much more legitimate 6-1 team. Not to knock on them too bad but they haven't played many quality opponents this year. Rhodes has lost to two very good teams in BSC and Trinity by 16-2 and 30-22. I was at the TU vs. Rhodes game and was very impressed with the progress they made from last years game. At times they drove rather easily on Trinity's Defense (Take that however you want). It should be a good game IMO.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 19, 2012, 05:52:26 AM
Just trying to build the volume of postings on the fledgling SAA Board. I do think that Sewanee can play with anyone in the league. BSC's margin of victory was of a similar level to Sewanee' over a common opponent Austin College.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: RhodesAlum on October 19, 2012, 01:17:44 PM
Really excited to see what Rhodes can do against Millsaps this weekend.  Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2012, 04:24:52 PM
Quote from: RhodesAlum on October 19, 2012, 01:17:44 PM
Really excited to see what Rhodes can do against Millsaps this weekend.  Should be interesting.

Welcome, RhodesAlum!  It should be a good game.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2012, 02:12:54 PM
Sewanee had a 12-play, 68-yard drive into the BSC red zone off the opening kick but ended up missing a 33-yard field goal after it stalled.     The Tigers didn't attempt a pass. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
Shoreman looks like a genius so far.  8:24 left in the second, it's Sewanee 14, BSC 6 (missed 2pt try).   Total yards, Sewanee 199 (172 on the ground), BSC 102 (61 on the ground). 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2012, 04:17:16 PM
Sewanee now up 31-19 with 5:47 to play, outgaining B-SC 402-244 and winning the turnover battle 3-1. 

Centre up 14-7 on Trinity at the half.  Yardage about even, Trinity suffered two interceptions including once inside the Centre 25.   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2012, 04:20:10 PM
Make it 21-7 Centre.  Grr
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2012, 04:31:59 PM
21-14 now as Trinity scores with 1:30 left in the third.   Centre live stats not working and I refuse to pay for their video. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2012, 04:57:18 PM
Centre kicks a field goal to go up 31-14 with 2:54 remaining.

Sewanee wins 31-19, at least one Tiger team will win today.  Congrats!

Millsaps up big at Rhodes, 33-13 with the Lynx threatening midway through the third.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 20, 2012, 05:32:19 PM
Wow... Didn't expect our guys to be able to run the ball as well as they did today against B-SC.   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 20, 2012, 07:31:25 PM
Great win for the Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 21, 2012, 06:04:44 PM
Really surprised there's not more chatter here about the SAA games this week.  Centre takes a nice win, and Sewanee really plays to potential and knocks a contender down a notch.

The Millsaps passing game really came to play against Rhodes - Pinciotti throws for about 450 and 6 TDs with no interceptions - to 14 different receivers!  There won't be many QBs that beat that perfomance from Saturday.

Wondered how healthy everyone is at this stage of the game.  Injuries over the last few weeks can make or break a playoff team, and we have several possibilities out of the SAA/SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 21, 2012, 06:38:47 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on October 21, 2012, 06:04:44 PM
Really surprised there's not more chatter here about the SAA games this week.  Centre takes a nice win, and Sewanee really plays to potential and knocks a contender down a notch.

The Millsaps passing game really came to play against Rhodes - Pinciotti throws for about 450 and 6 TDs with no interceptions - to 14 different receivers!  There won't be many QBs that beat that perfomance from Saturday.

Wondered how healthy everyone is at this stage of the game.  Injuries over the last few weeks can make or break a playoff team, and we have several possibilities out of the SAA/SCAC.

Actually there are very few possibilities for the SAA/SCAC to get any bid. There is no AQ for the SAA this year, meaning all the teams default to Pool B for first selection. Wesley or Huntingdon is the odds on favorite to earn that spot, depending on the outcome of their game this weekend and the winner finishing out the season. Huntingdon owns a h2h against Millsaps, and the winner of the game will obviously hold a h2h over the other team.

After Pool B, any remaining candidates from B are moved into the "C" pool. The "C" pool very rarely takes a 2 loss team. Of the SCAC/SAA teams, the only 1 loss team remaining is Millsaps, who will have a good case for making the playoffs if they win out. Two loss Centre would be a very long shot, anyone with 3 losses is almost certainly out.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: PrayingColonel on October 22, 2012, 12:45:28 PM
Centre played their best game of the season Saturday. It was a tremendous team effort. The kind of effort you need to beat a good team like Trinity. It did appear that Trinity is a little down this year, but I do not want to take anything away from the Colonels. I think the Trinity question will be answered when they play Millsaps.
The Colonels make the long trip to Texas this week to face Austin. Hopefully they play as well this week as last week.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 23, 2012, 07:02:22 AM
SAA week 9 predictions:

Centre travels to   Austin.   Centre too much for the Kangaroos, by 17      

      
Rhodes @ Sewanee  Battle for the Edmund Orgill Trophy since 1954, overall series dates back to 1899 (oldest in the South). Tigers make it two wins in a row, winning at Rhodes last year. Tigers by 7.
      
Millsaps @ Trinity (Tex.) Trin Tigers too much at home win by 17.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on October 23, 2012, 11:04:21 AM
Shoreman- with respect, i believe you meant to say "oldest among the SAA or remaining SCAC schools" (but not oldest in the South)

Auburn started their rivalry with UGA in 1892, at Piedmont Park in the ATL, and they have played 115 games in that time

having spent my final 4 yrs of didactic schooling in Athens, and having worked on and off for AU for the past 20 plus yrs, this bit of history is ingrained to deeply into my brain to let it go........sorry

keep the faith

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 23, 2012, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on October 23, 2012, 07:02:22 AM
SAA week 9 predictions:

Centre travels to   Austin.   Centre too much for the Kangaroos, by 17      

      
Rhodes @ Sewanee  Battle for the Edmund Orgill Trophy since 1954, overall series dates back to 1899 (oldest in the South). Tigers make it two wins in a row, winning at Rhodes last year. Tigers by 7.      
Millsaps @ Trinity (Tex.) Trin Tigers too much at home win by 17.

Kind of an interesting comment. W&L played Centre first in 1897. Hasn't been played every year since, but certainly predates the above. W&L also played H-SC in 1899, again, not played every year since, but most of them. And of course the first W&L vs Sewanee game was in 1892, although the series did not resume again until 1939.

Have Sewanee and Rhodes played every year since 1899? Answered my own question. According to Sports Illustrated it is the "longest consecutively played game south of the Mason Dixon line". So yes, it has been played every year. I'm not sure "oldest in the south" is correct, but "longest consecutively played" is a better description.

Auburn and Georgia started early, as DGPugh points out, but they missed 1893, 1898, 1897, 1917, 1918, and 1943 according to Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on October 23, 2012, 12:04:43 PM
http://saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20120820oavpvm
neat article
it calls 'Rhodes-Sewanee tilt "the longest consecutively played football game below the Mason-Dixon (since 1899)'

that is neat, as it appears to be continuous. AU & UGA have taken a couple of breaks from each other, and only played 115 times. (i wish they would take a break this yr....glad Huntingdon is having a good season)


killing time, fighting a cold, but i got to go get on the tractor and put out some winter grazing.....
keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 23, 2012, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 21, 2012, 06:38:47 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on October 21, 2012, 06:04:44 PM
Really surprised there's not more chatter here about the SAA games this week.  Centre takes a nice win, and Sewanee really plays to potential and knocks a contender down a notch.

The Millsaps passing game really came to play against Rhodes - Pinciotti throws for about 450 and 6 TDs with no interceptions - to 14 different receivers!  There won't be many QBs that beat that perfomance from Saturday.

Wondered how healthy everyone is at this stage of the game.  Injuries over the last few weeks can make or break a playoff team, and we have several possibilities out of the SAA/SCAC.

Actually there are very few possibilities for the SAA/SCAC to get any bid. There is no AQ for the SAA this year, meaning all the teams default to Pool B for first selection. Wesley or Huntingdon is the odds on favorite to earn that spot, depending on the outcome of their game this weekend and the winner finishing out the season. Huntingdon owns a h2h against Millsaps, and the winner of the game will obviously hold a h2h over the other team.

After Pool B, any remaining candidates from B are moved into the "C" pool. The "C" pool very rarely takes a 2 loss team. Of the SCAC/SAA teams, the only 1 loss team remaining is Millsaps, who will have a good case for making the playoffs if they win out. Two loss Centre would be a very long shot, anyone with 3 losses is almost certainly out.

You sum it up quite well here.  A one-loss Millsaps might have a shot, but it's probably a long one.  They'd better really take care of business over the last three games.  No doubt Trinity and BSC in particular, as well as Austin, would love to play the role of spoiler.

I'm not very familiar with how the maps work out, and will check into some of those considerations.

NOW, back to part of the earlier post ... how are INJURIES affecting teams at this point?  I see a lot of padless jerseys on the Saturday sidelines ...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 23, 2012, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on October 23, 2012, 07:02:22 AM
SAA week 9 predictions:

Centre travels to   Austin.   Centre too much for the Kangaroos, by 17      

      
Rhodes @ Sewanee  Battle for the Edmund Orgill Trophy since 1954, overall series dates back to 1899 (oldest in the South). Tigers make it two wins in a row, winning at Rhodes last year. Tigers by 7.
      
Millsaps @ Trinity (Tex.) Trin Tigers too much at home win by 17.

I think you hit the Centre/Austin game on the nose - Centre by 17.

But I think Sewanee's Tigers are 14 better than Rhodes.

But of course, I can't buy that last one - Millsaps by 13.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2012, 10:57:00 AM
Trinity will have a good shot on Saturday but only if they can hold onto the ball.   It should be a lovely fall afternoon with highs forecast in the mid-60s and a bit of a breeze out of the northeast.

Edit:  Nice ATR story (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2012/Ex-NFL-coach-sees-good-in-D-III) today on Millsaps coach Aaron Pelch.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 24, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
I'm with you, Ron.  This should be a GREAT game to watch!  Makes me want to drive to San Antonio.  I've only seen one game at Trinity - during Millsaps 1975 semifinal playoff season.

I think protecting the QB will also be at issue for Trinity.  McKyssack had a rough game in Jackson that included some bruised ribs, and Millsaps' D-line is even better this year.

On the other hand, Millsaps will have to take advantage of its red-zone chances, a problem during the Huntingdon game, as well as run the ball, which the Majors have been able to do adequately enough through the season, to provide a more balanced offensive game.

I want to echo what Kyle had in his article about the closeness of the team.  I'm around them on a weekly basis, and it's a family feel - brothers linked in a common effort.  It's a real pleasure to watch them work and play as a team.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 24, 2012, 01:14:51 PM
Not really sure how close the TU/Millsaps game will be this weekend. Mckissic got hurt last week on a blindsided sack to the point where he didn't go back into the game. The backup QB Blaschke, who at times has been good, threw 3 picks. Mckissic is a MUCH better all-around quarterback, so if Blaschke gets the start due to Mckissic's injury, we could see some shakey offense from the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2012, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 24, 2012, 01:14:51 PM
Not really sure how close the TU/Millsaps game will be this weekend. Mckissic got hurt last week on a blindsided sack to the point where he didn't go back into the game. The backup QB Blaschke, who at times has been good, threw 3 picks. Mckissic is a MUCH better all-around quarterback, so if Blaschke gets the start due to Mckissic's injury, we could see some shakey offense from the Tigers.

Nuts.  I also saw that Tomy Boboy didn't get in last week's box.   He's made a lot of plays behind the line for the Tigers, if both he and Nyk are out it might be a long day.  :(
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 25, 2012, 08:42:07 AM
Article about the Sewanee/Rhodes game history.

http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/more-than-a-game/Content?oid=3284918

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 26, 2012, 12:20:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2012, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 24, 2012, 01:14:51 PM
Not really sure how close the TU/Millsaps game will be this weekend. Mckissic got hurt last week on a blindsided sack to the point where he didn't go back into the game. The backup QB Blaschke, who at times has been good, threw 3 picks. Mckissic is a MUCH better all-around quarterback, so if Blaschke gets the start due to Mckissic's injury, we could see some shakey offense from the Tigers.

Nuts.  I also saw that Tomy Boboy didn't get in last week's box.   He's made a lot of plays behind the line for the Tigers, if both he and Nyk are out it might be a long day.  :(

I hope both these guys are playing on Saturday, Ron.  I think good teams want to face each other's best.  Enjoy watching the game at the stadium!  Wish I could be there.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2012, 11:24:00 AM
Both McKissic and Boboy are on the probable startout list per today's Trinity game preview (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2012-13/files/FB08.pdf).

Looks like a rare spectacular fall afternoon in SA.  I too wish I could make it down but we have a social engagement in the evening and some work on my plate that has to get done this weekend, so I'll be keeping track on-line too.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2012, 02:53:07 PM
First quarter running down, Trinity has a 7-0 lead as it looks like neither McKissic or Boboy has played yet.   Millsaps still seeking their initial first down.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2012, 03:51:00 PM
14-10 Trinity at the half.  The Tigers have missed two field goals (though the second was 50+ yards) and neither team has turned the ball over.   After a slow start the Majors have started to (surprise) have some success throwing the ball, and have gained 104 of their 141 total yards there.  Trinity has done most of their damage on the ground with QB Blaschke already over 100 yards (109 of the team's 139) on 10 carries.  He's 7-9 for 53 yards passing.   

Boboy has an assist while McKissic still hasn't set foot on the field. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2012, 04:15:07 PM
Majors dodge a bullet as holding on fourth down negates a 1-yard TD plunge, and then Biel misses his third field goal of the day from 28 yards.  It's now 21-10 Trinity with Millsaps driving near midfield with about two-thirds of the third quarter gone. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2012, 04:23:32 PM
The Millsaps drive stalls after three incomplete passes ... Trinity gets it back and Mason Blaschke extends the lead to 28-10 with a 48-yard TD run.  That's 203 yards for the young man from Cuero, TX.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on October 27, 2012, 04:33:07 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on October 23, 2012, 07:02:22 AM
SAA week 9 predictions:

Centre travels to   Austin.   Centre too much for the Kangaroos, by 17      

      
Rhodes @ Sewanee  Battle for the Edmund Orgill Trophy since 1954, overall series dates back to 1899 (oldest in the South). Tigers make it two wins in a row, winning at Rhodes last year. Tigers by 7.
      
Millsaps @ Trinity (Tex.) Trin Tigers too much at home win by 17.

Centre 17-0 over Austin...WOW!!!!

Not sure everyone knows that The Colonels spent almost 12 hours at the airport last night.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2012, 04:40:30 PM
bang-bang in SA

Beautiful 85 yd pass by Pinciotti to Joplin makes it 28-17.
61-yard return by Kennemer and then 31-yard pass by Blaschke to Lytal to make it 35-17 Trinity.

Fourth quarter underway. Millsaps just converted a fourth-and-three and is at midfield.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 27, 2012, 04:47:24 PM
Sewanee kicks go ahead field goal with 7:53 left in 4th.

10-7 Tigers
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2012, 04:55:28 PM
Millsaps has closed to 35-24, held Trinity to a three-and-out, has the ball in Trinity territory again.  They've gone to a bit of a hurry-up and are gaining yardage in big chunks.  Pinciotti is having all day to throw.

Trinity starting to have some injury issues on defense, too.

Good video today, just not liking what I'm seeing :(

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 27, 2012, 04:56:20 PM
Big sack by Sewanee on 4th and 23 with 3:23 to go.

Forces punt, Sewanee ball on their own 15.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 27, 2012, 05:01:52 PM
Huge punt by JP Boudreaux, Rhodes ball with under 3 minutes to play, inside their 30
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2012, 05:06:46 PM
Millsaps stalls at the 12 and goes for the FG to close it to an eight-point gap, but the ball may have been tipped and the kick was no good.   Blaschke gets a big first down on third-and-four and Tigers are trying to run out the clock - still 35-24 with just over two minutes to play and Millsaps starting to take timeouts.  TU ball at midfield.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 27, 2012, 05:07:30 PM
Rhodes drives and scores the go ahead touchdown pass 14-10. 23 seconds left.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2012, 05:16:56 PM
No miracles in SA today as Trinity probably knocks Millsaps out of the Pool B/C picture with the 35-24 win.  Mason Blaschke goes the entire way with 221 yards rushing on 23 carries and 188 yards and two touchdowns passing on 14-of-19.  No turnovers either way.

Garrett Pinciotti ended up with 312 yards and 2 TDs on 23-of-49 passing.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 27, 2012, 05:17:42 PM
Rhodes gets the W. Game ends with Tigers on the Rhodes 7.

Great game on the Mountain. Rhodes wins back the Cup in the fog.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: etg on October 27, 2012, 07:02:02 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 5 year reunion of "Miricle in Mississippi"--10/27/07)


Bonzo, I was at today's game and really liked what I saw.

Trinity Tigers are 3-1 in the Old SCAC---for whatever that means.


                                                                                :)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2012, 07:15:58 PM
Quote from: etg on October 27, 2012, 07:02:02 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 5 year reunion of "Miricle in Mississippi"--10/27/07)


Bonzo, I was at today's game and really liked what I saw.

Trinity Tigers are 3-1 in the Old SCAC---for whatever that means.
                                                                               :)
Can we say that the SAA/SCAC championship still runs thru San Antonio?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 28, 2012, 07:45:56 AM
So does Trinity beating Millsaps eliminate any chance the SAA/SCAC have of getting a team into the playoffs this season?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2012, 08:02:33 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 28, 2012, 07:45:56 AM
So does Trinity beating Millsaps eliminate any chance the SAA/SCAC have of getting a team into the playoffs this season?
I think so.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 28, 2012, 10:21:41 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 28, 2012, 07:45:56 AM
So does Trinity beating Millsaps eliminate any chance the SAA/SCAC have of getting a team into the playoffs this season?

Most likely yes. There are some really good 1 loss "c" candidates in the other regions, and I think the best "c" in the south right now is 2 loss La College. Two loss teams Millsaps and Centre have lost to much weaker opponents. Three loss teams like B-SC and Trinity are not going to make the table.

The best hope the SAA has of getting a team on the table is if La College loses to Hardin-Simmons last week of the season leaving the ASC with no 2 loss teams. Then Centre, Huntingdon, and Millsaps, provided they all win out, will probably be top of the board for the South Region. Which one goes first? I would say Huntingdon since they hold a H2H over Millsaps who holds the H2H over Centre. Plus one of Huntingdon's losses is to Wesley, a stronger loss than either of the SAA teams.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2012, 09:37:06 AM
Birmingham-Southern still has a chance to throw a monkey wrench into the hopes of both Millsaps and Centre, but with both games on the road and the team on a three-game losing streak after the 5-0 start you have to wonder what's going on there.  The Panthers have played their best on the road (win at Huntingdon, good effort in the L at Wesley, stifling defensive effort at Rhodes) so perhaps they can regain their winning form on the season-ending road trips. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 29, 2012, 10:21:54 AM
Speaking of Huntingdon, I thought Birmingham Southern and Huntingdon was suppose to be a big rival game but looks like they aren't playing in 2013.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Major Rev on October 29, 2012, 11:48:09 AM
I thought Trinity, and particularly Blaschke, played a superb game on Saturday.  They protected their QB from the Millsaps pass rush, and when flushed Blaschke turned it into big plays.  And I thought Trinity's defense was well-prepared.  Pinciotti had enough time to get off quick passes, but Trinity's defensive backfield seemed to be well-coordinated with the time that Pinciotti was going to have, and they were a blanket covering outlet receivers.  Congratulations to Trinity on a well-played game.

All roads lead through San Antonio for the SCAC/SAA bragging rights?  The folks at Centre and Millsaps might disagree over the last decade. 

But the folks in Belton don't really care who shows up to play.  Until somebody takes that game from the Cru in the playoffs, nobody else cares either.

I would have been interested in seeing a SCAC in East and West divisions, but we're beyond that conversation at this point.  And until the SCAC and SAA build up to AQs, the discussion over where the road goes through, IMHO, is like lap dogs squabbling over crumbs under the table.  A little pointed, but true ...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 29, 2012, 02:18:13 PM
Another stab at predictions in the inaugural SAA season:

Birmingham Southern @ Centre, Colonels by 10.       
      
Trinity (Tex.) @ Sewanee, Banged up Tigers coming off a tough loss to Rhodes. Tigers take their finale by 7.      
      
Austin @ Millsaps , Majors by 17

Does anyone know do the affiliate SAA members begin play next season along with Berry and Hendrix? If so is this the end of the SAA/SCAC games?   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 29, 2012, 02:43:38 PM
Next season the SAA will have 7 football school's with hendrix and berry starting programs while the scac will have 4 football school's. Washington U and chicago enter the SAA in 2015. There might be some cross over games but not conference wide after this season.   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on October 29, 2012, 02:46:28 PM
Quote from: cush on October 29, 2012, 10:21:54 AM
Speaking of Huntingdon, I thought Birmingham Southern and Huntingdon was suppose to be a big rival game but looks like they aren't playing in 2013.
I have heard that too. Apparently with Huntingdon going into the USAC and the expanded SAA schedule they couldn't work out the same open dates. Aren't both conferences going to be at an odd number of teams for the near future? I would hope that the conferences could work together to give the two teams a common open date and keep the series going.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 29, 2012, 03:40:19 PM
I don't know why BSC and HC can't play the first game of the season.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 30, 2012, 08:35:34 AM
Trinity @ Sewanee moved to a noon start.
http://sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/201210290kgkau
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on October 30, 2012, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: cush on October 29, 2012, 03:40:19 PM
I don't know why BSC and HC can't play the first game of the season.
I think they have always played LaGrange week 1, so I'll give them that one. I really don't like the rest of that schedule though. I know they have to play Berry and Hendrix but two other first year programs as well? That's not even going to be any fun playing 4 first year teams. I may be speaking out of turn as I don't know any specifics, but it seems like something could have been worked out.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 11:38:13 AM
Who are the other first-year programs?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on October 30, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Stetson and Warner.

http://www.bscsports.net/sports/fball/schedule-2013
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 30, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Stetson and Warner.

http://www.bscsports.net/sports/fball/schedule-2013

Ouch. Why in the world would they do that?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 30, 2012, 11:51:28 AM
Two first year, non D3 programs in FL? One home, one away? Maybe they are trying to get some recruiting exposure in South FL. Other than that, odd choice. They will only have 8 D3 games and one is against Wesley. Out of their 10 game schedule, they are going to have 4 first year teams by my count. Bleh...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2012, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 11:38:13 AM
Who are the other first-year programs?

Sep 7, 2013    LaGrange            
Sep 14, 2013    Hendrix  *            
Sep 21, 2013    Stetson    Pioneer League (D1 - non-scholarship)     
Sep 28, 2013    Wesley            
Oct 5, 2013    Sewanee  *            
Oct 19, 2013    Millsaps  *            
Oct 26, 2013    Berry  *            
Nov 2, 2013    Rhodes  *            
Nov 9, 2013    Warner  (NAIA)        
Nov 16, 2013    Centre  *            

Yeesh.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wesleydad on October 30, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2012, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 11:38:13 AM
Who are the other first-year programs?

Sep 7, 2013    LaGrange            
Sep 14, 2013    Hendrix  *            
Sep 21, 2013    Stetson    Pioneer League (D1 - non-scholarship)     
Sep 28, 2013    Wesley            
Oct 5, 2013    Sewanee  *            
Oct 19, 2013    Millsaps  *            
Oct 26, 2013    Berry  *            
Nov 2, 2013    Rhodes  *            
Nov 9, 2013    Warner  (NAIA)        
Nov 16, 2013    Centre  *            

Yeesh.

over on the asc board the umhb folks are talking about playing away at huntingdon in week 1 next year, is that info not good?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 30, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2012, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 11:38:13 AM
Who are the other first-year programs?

Sep 7, 2013    LaGrange            
Sep 14, 2013    Hendrix  *            
Sep 21, 2013    Stetson    Pioneer League (D1 - non-scholarship)     
Sep 28, 2013    Wesley            
Oct 5, 2013    Sewanee  *            
Oct 19, 2013    Millsaps  *            
Oct 26, 2013    Berry  *            
Nov 2, 2013    Rhodes  *            
Nov 9, 2013    Warner  (NAIA)        
Nov 16, 2013    Centre  *            

Yeesh.

over on the asc board the umhb folks are talking about playing away at huntingdon in week 1 next year, is that info not good?

The above is Birmingham-Southern's schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wesleydad on October 30, 2012, 12:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 30, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2012, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 11:38:13 AM
Who are the other first-year programs?

Sep 7, 2013    LaGrange            
Sep 14, 2013    Hendrix  *            
Sep 21, 2013    Stetson    Pioneer League (D1 - non-scholarship)     
Sep 28, 2013    Wesley            
Oct 5, 2013    Sewanee  *            
Oct 19, 2013    Millsaps  *            
Oct 26, 2013    Berry  *            
Nov 2, 2013    Rhodes  *            
Nov 9, 2013    Warner  (NAIA)        
Nov 16, 2013    Centre  *            

Yeesh.

over on the asc board the umhb folks are talking about playing away at huntingdon in week 1 next year, is that info not good?

The above is Birmingham-Southern's schedule.

thanks pat, got messed up reading the different posts, thought the discussion was about huntingdon.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on October 30, 2012, 12:54:38 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 30, 2012, 12:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 30, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2012, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 11:38:13 AM
Who are the other first-year programs?

Sep 7, 2013    LaGrange            
Sep 14, 2013    Hendrix  *            
Sep 21, 2013    Stetson    Pioneer League (D1 - non-scholarship)     
Sep 28, 2013    Wesley            
Oct 5, 2013    Sewanee  *            
Oct 19, 2013    Millsaps  *            
Oct 26, 2013    Berry  *            
Nov 2, 2013    Rhodes  *            
Nov 9, 2013    Warner  (NAIA)        
Nov 16, 2013    Centre  *            

Yeesh.

over on the asc board the umhb folks are talking about playing away at huntingdon in week 1 next year, is that info not good?

The above is Birmingham-Southern's schedule.

thanks pat, got messed up reading the different posts, thought the discussion was about huntingdon.
It was about why Huntingdon and Birmingham-Southern aren't playing each other next year.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 30, 2012, 01:16:56 PM
Whoever put together BSC schedule needs some help. Warner? Stetson? and can't find a spot for an instate game? At the very least drop Lagrange or play them later and start the season with Huntingdon. Maybe make a deal and let UMHB play at Lagrange and BSC play and Huntingdon to kickoff the 2013 season.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2012, 01:51:44 PM
I can think of a couple factors at play.

1. The expanded SAA schedule in 2014 means that B-SC had to find two teams willing to play them on one-year contracts. There aren't going to be many willing to do that, but first-year programs traditionally are.
2. The USA South schedule, for both Huntingdon and LaGrange, will have conference byes in odd places for the near future since it is a nine-team conference. Similarly, the seven-team SAA will have byes in odd places. It seems B-SC's late conference bye is Week 10 when they play Warner. If that doesn't match up with Huntingdon, hard to slide them in.

Both teams' conference schedules are significantly in flux right now.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 30, 2012, 02:57:36 PM
Any way you put it, for a school with playoff ambitions, playing an 8 game D3 schedule with 4 first year schools is a bad spot to have put yourself. It's not like you didn't know ahead of time you were going to have 2 first year programs in your conference. I appreciate the difficulties making a schedule, but this just seems like a poor job.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2012, 03:01:40 PM
I wonder if they considered playing the (any of the soon to be four) SCAC schools - you'd have to think that, having to find seven non-conference games, they'd take anything they could get.  It will be interesting to see what THOSE schedules look like next season. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on October 30, 2012, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2012, 03:01:40 PM
I wonder if they considered playing the (any of the soon to be four) SCAC schools - you'd have to think that, having to find seven non-conference games, they'd take anything they could get.  It will be interesting to see what THOSE schedules look like next season.
Double round robin? Then they only have to find four games.  ::)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 30, 2012, 07:09:42 PM
Berry College stadium news.

http://www.berry.edu/pr/pressdetail.aspx?id=100512
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 31, 2012, 03:07:44 PM
Mildly surprised not a single SAA team made the Regional Rankings. Centre and Millsaps should have a chance to break in with W&L and HSC playing this week and LC and HSU playing the last week of the season. As a W&L alum, I'm sure pulling for the Generals and Centre!

Millsaps has the higher SOS, but Centre has B-SC and Rhodes to go which will help their SOS more than Millsaps with Austin and B-SC.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
Centre hasn't defeated anyone regionally ranked, with their best win against three loss Trinity and losses to unranked W&L and Millsaps.   The Majors' best win is the one against Centre, and the loss to Trinity is what kept them out.   

Quite surprised that three-loss HSU got in there, though - yeah, they've played two ranked teams fairly close, lost the first game of the season to a Willamette team that might be ranked if they weren't in the West, but in the end their best win is, what, the one against Sul Ross without their stud RB and the worst defense in the country ?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: etg on November 04, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: SAA/SCAC or "Old SCAC", something smells.)


The possibility that the SAA/SCAC or "Old SCAC" may not get a team into the 32-team D3 playoff field is a total ream-job. The SAA/SCAC or "Old SCAC" has 7 active football playing members; any other association of 7 members, with as long a history as this group, gets at least 1 team in the D3 playoff field. Each of these teams plays 6 games against the other teams in the SAA/SCAC or "old SCAC". The team that wins this "6-game-round-robin" by all rights should make the playoff field; this in fact, would be exactly like the conference has always been treated. 

                                                                                            :o   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 04, 2012, 08:13:35 PM
The SAA wanted to get its own conference. They "blew up" the football side of the SCAC. The SCAC still has its AQ in other sports.
Its just the way the rules have been since the late 1990's. The SAA knew what it was doing.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 04, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
Quote from: etg on November 04, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: SAA/SCAC or "Old SCAC", something smells.)


The possibility that the SAA/SCAC or "Old SCAC" may not get a team into the 32-team D3 playoff field is a total ream-job. The SAA/SCAC or "Old SCAC" has 7 active football playing members; any other association of 7 members, with as long a history as this group, gets at least 1 team in the D3 playoff field. Each of these teams plays 6 games against the other teams in the SAA/SCAC or "old SCAC". The team that wins this "6-game-round-robin" by all rights should make the playoff field; this in fact, would be exactly like the conference has always been treated. 

                                                                                            :o

Except for the very basic fact that the conference you propose no longer exists. The NCAA has rules and when your conference explodes and ends up with 2 pieces outside those rules, you don't get an A. To be fair, all the teams had a shot at making it through the B/C process. Certainly a harder, more uncertain road, but it's not like they were shut out of the playoffs from the get-go.

It just seems likely that none of those teams will manage to play their way in.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on November 04, 2012, 09:32:53 PM
Quote from: etg on November 04, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: SAA/SCAC or "Old SCAC", something smells.)


The possibility that the SAA/SCAC or "Old SCAC" may not get a team into the 32-team D3 playoff field is a total ream-job. The SAA/SCAC or "Old SCAC" has 7 active football playing members; any other association of 7 members, with as long a history as this group, gets at least 1 team in the D3 playoff field. Each of these teams plays 6 games against the other teams in the SAA/SCAC or "old SCAC". The team that wins this "6-game-round-robin" by all rights should make the playoff field; this in fact, would be exactly like the conference has always been treated. 

                                                                                            :o

Your rant should be directed to the SAA presidents who brought this on.  >:(
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 05, 2012, 01:36:10 AM
It's been a very strange year in the SCAC/SAA - full of inconsistent play. In my mind either Trinity or BSC could have been a playoff team had that not had their third (inconsistent) loss.

You have BSC who beat a very solid Huntington team (who if they beat Adrian will have a very good case for a "C" bid). The same BSC team lead the entire game against #6 Wesley before collapsing in the 4th quarter. And then the puzzling loss AT HOME to (3-7) Sewanee.

Trinity began its season smashing (1-7) Howard Payne and (3-6) TLU, who despite its record I think is a decent football team as all of their losses were by 7 points or less other than the UMHB and Trinity game. Trinity then processed to get the most points put up against it in the Steve Mohr era by Sul Ross (#1 offense in the nation, but last team in the nation in defense...has this ever happened before??) and a pretty bad loss to the #2 team in the nation. After a couple of wins they loss to a respectable (6-3) Centre team, although from what I heard Centre played its game of the year and Trinity's starting qb was knocked out with a concussion.

Millsaps beat Centre before losing pretty handily to Huntingdon 45-24. Their only other loss was to Trinity but they still have to play their finale at home against BSC. That game will determine in my eyes if Millsaps is as solid of a team as their record reflects as they didn't really play out of conference games against anyone noteworthy other than Huntingdon.

Centre lost to a pretty good Washington and Lee team and Millsaps by 18 and 17, respectively, before getting blown out by 31 against BSC. They did beat Trinity, however.

Trying to make sense of who is better than who by going off of results against common opponents makes absolutely no sense this year. Trinity beats BSC 30-21 but you could make the case that Birmingham "has never figured Trinity out" blah blah blah. Trinity then loses, 31-14 to a Centre team that BSC just destroyed 45-14. BSC lost to Sewanee 31-19, who was this week blown out by Trinity 48-7. Millsaps still has to play BSC, but I don't see them winning that game.

I'm trying to figure out who the "phony" teams are this year. My first candidate is Centre, because although they have the win against Trinity they didn't win any other big games in my mind. Millsaps will take second place to them - should they lose to BSC. They lost pretty bad to both Huntingdon and Trinity. Neither Trinity nor BSC, however, has played with any level of consistency this year and so we won't ever know how they would have fared in the playoffs.

We could have four teams end up 7-3, or even have two at 7-3 and one at 8-2 in the conference but obviously no playoff bid, what a shame! If it weren't for silly losses by BSC and Trinity we could have had a thrilling end of the season!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on November 08, 2012, 08:55:14 AM
Sewanee/Rhodes game article.
http://postinspostcards.com/2012/11/02/2012-cfb-game-46-rhodes-college-at-sewanee/
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2012, 05:47:33 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on November 08, 2012, 08:55:14 AM
Sewanee/Rhodes game article.
http://postinspostcards.com/2012/11/02/2012-cfb-game-46-rhodes-college-at-sewanee/

Shame he called it "Sewanee College."  :-(
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 09, 2012, 09:46:57 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2012, 05:47:33 PM
Shame he called it "Sewanee College."  :-(

It's a bit of an irritant to many of us who went to school on the Mountain.   And it's gotten worse since one of our administrators listened to some high-priced big city consultants who recommended that we market ourselves as "Sewanee: The University of the South".   There are still people torqued off about that (myself included) after almost ten years.

Oh well... at least this season produced another step forward on getting our FB program back on a solid footing.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on November 11, 2012, 08:03:20 PM
  Is this the famous Millsaps lateral game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDy959qrJj8
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 11, 2012, 08:05:14 PM
Yep, that's it.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on November 12, 2012, 05:42:53 AM
Wonder if Harvard Pilgrim had to buy the rights, or if they made a donation to the programs?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
Pat asked an even better question over on YouTube - did they get permission from the NCAA?  Given that they don't even identify these as college teams I would be willing to bet the answers to both questions is no.   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2012, 05:51:35 PM
I know that I got harassed by a group claiming to represent redistribution rights for that video a few years ago because I deigned to embed it on a blog post. (News organization? Fair use? Anyone?) I can only hope those people are bulldogging these guys.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on November 12, 2012, 10:16:36 PM
Berry College novel idea
http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20121106cyed43
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on November 12, 2012, 10:20:31 PM
Pat & Ron,
The Tinity-Millsaps clip was run in an actual TV ad, not just a You Tube clip. Athletes (and colleges) of those 2 schools are getting ripped off. This is exactly why athletes want to get paid when their images are used.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2012, 10:50:40 PM
Oh, I'm well aware it was a real TV ad and presume Pat does too. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2012, 10:13:09 AM
I have been told that the ad agency who produced the commercial did indeed perform their due diligence and properly clear use of the video with all parties concerned. 

At least we had something to talk about for a few days with none of the SAA/SCAC teams making it to the playoffs...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 13, 2012, 11:33:24 AM
^This. I've been disappointed with the lack of conversations on the boards this year. Then again things have been much quieter since the Depauw folk left anyways.

Tomy Boboy again got a sack in the final Trinity Game. He basically only played in 7 games this year and still notched 9.5. If he had been healthy I think he could have had a serious run at an All-American bid. I'll be interested to see if he did enough to get into the Regional awards. I'm excited to watch him next season!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: historymajor on November 22, 2012, 04:07:00 AM
Pat/Bonzo,,, The Harvard Pilgrim use of the "Miracle" footage WAS widely discussed AND agreed upon.  This is copyrighted material that in this case benefited nicely to both programs. We have NOT been happy with the 'representation" we have had in the past.  Changes have been made and use/compensation distrubution should be much better in the future.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on November 22, 2012, 06:11:53 AM
Happy Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on November 23, 2012, 03:17:39 PM
Has anyone seen the 2013 schedule for Centre?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on November 28, 2012, 08:44:15 PM
Hendrix sets 2013 schedule:
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Hendrix-sets-schedule-for-first-season-since-60-4074751.php
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 29, 2012, 09:36:06 AM
So they open with a D2 program, then BSC plays one of their 4 first year programs, then they play another first year D3 program, then two legit opponents, another first year program, and the rest is a D3 schedule. Color me impressed that a first year program managed to do so well. Only one real outlier, Westminster, and then some assistance from other first year programs.

To be honest, I think the schedule looks better than whatever the scheduler at BSC was trying to do playing 4 first year programs, 2 of them not even D3...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2012, 09:50:50 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 29, 2012, 09:36:06 AM
So they open with a D2 program, then BSC plays one of their 4 first year programs, then they play another first year D3 program, then two legit opponents, another first year program, and the rest is a D3 schedule. Color me impressed that a first year program managed to do so well. Only one real outlier, Westminster, and then some assistance from other first year programs.

To be honest, I think the schedule looks better than whatever the scheduler at BSC was trying to do playing 4 first year programs, 2 of them not even D3...
I am confused about the subject of this post.  Is that a comment about Hendrix' schedule?

I think that Hendrix has done a good job.

Give the SAA a chance to settle into its schedule with WashU and Chicago and it will be a good one.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 29, 2012, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2012, 09:50:50 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 29, 2012, 09:36:06 AM
So they open with a D2 program, then BSC plays one of their 4 first year programs, then they play another first year D3 program, then two legit opponents, another first year program, and the rest is a D3 schedule. Color me impressed that a first year program managed to do so well. Only one real outlier, Westminster, and then some assistance from other first year programs.

To be honest, I think the schedule looks better than whatever the scheduler at BSC was trying to do playing 4 first year programs, 2 of them not even D3...
I am confused about the subject of this post.  Is that a comment about Hendrix' schedule?

I think that Hendrix has done a good job.

Give the SAA a chance to settle into its schedule with WashU and Chicago and it will be a good one.

I probably wasn't real clear. I agree, I think Hendrix did a good job. I know it's hard for those first year programs to get a full schedule, although Hendrix and Berry are certainly helped by their conference affiliation. As I said, color me impressed by the job Hendrix did, especially when compared to BSC's schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2012, 11:53:57 AM
Gee, no game against Trinity.  Color me unsurprised.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 29, 2012, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 29, 2012, 09:36:06 AM
So they open with a D2 program, then BSC plays one of their 4 first year programs, then they play another first year D3 program, then two legit opponents, another first year program, and the rest is a D3 schedule. Color me impressed that a first year program managed to do so well. Only one real outlier, Westminster, and then some assistance from other first year programs.

To be honest, I think the schedule looks better than whatever the scheduler at BSC was trying to do playing 4 first year programs, 2 of them not even D3...
D2 program? Westminster is D3.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 29, 2012, 04:45:22 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on November 29, 2012, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 29, 2012, 09:36:06 AM
So they open with a D2 program, then BSC plays one of their 4 first year programs, then they play another first year D3 program, then two legit opponents, another first year program, and the rest is a D3 schedule. Color me impressed that a first year program managed to do so well. Only one real outlier, Westminster, and then some assistance from other first year programs.

To be honest, I think the schedule looks better than whatever the scheduler at BSC was trying to do playing 4 first year programs, 2 of them not even D3...
D2 program? Westminster is D3.

Good catch Hawks88. Hendrix have a full D3 schedule. That's good work for a first year program. I was looking for Westminster on the D3 site under teams and didn't see them at the time, but they are clearly there now. Must be magic! I thought they were D3, but when I couldn't find them... Well, my wife would call it "man looking". She claims I do it a lot.
+k
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on November 29, 2012, 04:54:39 PM
BSC has Stetson on the schedule, are they a first year D1 FCS team?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2012, 11:47:32 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on November 29, 2012, 04:54:39 PM
BSC has Stetson on the schedule, are they a first year D1 FCS team?

First-year D1-non scholarship (Pioneer League). 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 02, 2012, 05:28:36 AM
Hendrix names OC.

http://www.todaysthv.com/sports/article/236734/56/Hendrix-names-offensive-coordinator-for-rebooted-football-team
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: historymajor on December 02, 2012, 09:07:49 AM
Why is EVERYBODY avoiding Trinity????  I seem to remember TU plays UMHB @ their new stadium next fall,,, can't wait!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on December 02, 2012, 09:09:42 AM
Quote from: historymajor on December 02, 2012, 09:07:49 AM
Why is EVERYBODY avoiding Trinity????  I seem to remember TU plays UMHB @ their new stadium next fall,,, can't wait!

You have to remember the SAA split itself off and purposely formed with the teams it included. That means they excluded Trinity for a reason (choose your reason, I have my thoughts...). It makes no sense to EXCLUDE them from your conference and then schedule them Out of Conference as a game. If you were intending to play them, you would have invited them to your party in the first place.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 03, 2012, 09:29:49 AM
And it's a long, costly trip, the other reason they dropped the SCAC.   

Hendrix' game v. Southwestern is in Arkansas; it will be interesting to see if they return the favor in 2014. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 09, 2012, 07:33:20 PM
Berry College Uniforms.
http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/21076036/article-BERRY-FOOTBALL--Berry-student--Football-uniforms-were-%E2%80%98well-received%E2%80%99?instance=home_page
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on December 13, 2012, 07:14:44 AM
Berry College stadium design. Berry is doing things right.

http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/21100878/article-COLLEGE-FOOTBALL--Valhalla-design-gains-students%E2%80%99-approval?instance=home_page
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: arktraveler on December 15, 2012, 10:33:05 PM
Thanks for the updates on Berry. Hendrix's stadium design has been out since Veterans Day, but a link wasn't posted here. As of today, the additional turf field looks nearly complete, and they've begun the foundation for the stands.

http://www.hendrixwarriors.com/news/2012/11/13/FB_1113124342.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2012, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: arktraveler on December 15, 2012, 10:33:05 PM
Thanks for the updates on Berry. Hendrix's stadium design has been out since Veterans Day, but a link wasn't posted here. As of today, the additional turf field looks nearly complete, and they've begun the foundation for the stands.

http://www.hendrixwarriors.com/news/2012/11/13/FB_1113124342.aspx?path=football
Very nice!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 16, 2012, 06:10:04 PM
It doesn't look like the Hendrix players will have to play in the headlights of their fans' cars, either.  :-)

(Hendrix President Cloyd initially said that there would be no need to build a stadium for Warrior football, that bleachers would be a blanket and lawn chairs (http://thecabin.net/interact/opinion/columns/2011-06-09/my-heart-may-go-conway), etc.  This looks like a very nice D3-appropriate facility.)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: historymajor on December 27, 2012, 08:12:26 AM
Heard that Reid Heim was hired as DC...  The '00 Austin College linebacker has since had European football experience and US coaching that included 2 years at Baylor.  Congrats Reid!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on January 13, 2013, 04:15:11 AM
A couple of Rhodes and BSC shots made this RoadTripsports.com Best of 2012

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.555898571106373.139876.153333714696196&type=1

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on January 15, 2013, 08:07:25 AM
Sewanee 2013 schedule published. Nice to see DePauw back on the schedule as well as the two new programs Berry and Hendrix.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on February 17, 2013, 03:09:08 PM
Interview w/ Berry College Coach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpWKIubpP58
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on February 21, 2013, 05:33:11 PM
Berry College first recruiting class.

http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/21772987/article-Berry-Football--Vikings-welcome-first-recruiting-class?instance=home_page
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on March 18, 2013, 09:29:48 PM
More Berry College signees:
http://berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20130214vrc327
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: PrayingColonel on April 28, 2013, 08:30:31 AM
Centre College, Kicker/Punter, Jordan Gay has signed a Free Agent deal with the Carolina Panthers.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 28, 2013, 03:44:03 PM
Is there any published confirmation of this?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: PrayingColonel on April 28, 2013, 09:54:11 PM
No. Just a text from my son who is on the team. Also numerous twitter posts congratulating him from others on the team. Also saw a Facebook post from one of the coaches. I'm told he's going to their mini camp in a couple of weeks. I'm not sure how all that works. Maybe saying he's signed a free agent deal is a little premature. I'm sure Centre will put something on their website tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on April 29, 2013, 05:27:43 PM
Quote from: PrayingColonel on April 28, 2013, 08:30:31 AM
Centre College, Kicker/Punter, Jordan Gay has signed a Free Agent deal with the Carolina Panthers.

Congrats to Jordan!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on May 01, 2013, 09:01:27 PM
Sewanee to add lights and field turf to McGee Field:
http://www.chattanoogan.com/2013/4/30/250155/Sewanee-Football-Adds-Lights-Synthetic.aspx (http://www.chattanoogan.com/2013/4/30/250155/Sewanee-Football-Adds-Lights-Synthetic.aspx)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 02, 2013, 08:38:55 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on May 01, 2013, 09:01:27 PM
Sewanee to add lights and field turf to McGee Field:
http://www.chattanoogan.com/2013/4/30/250155/Sewanee-Football-Adds-Lights-Synthetic.aspx (http://www.chattanoogan.com/2013/4/30/250155/Sewanee-Football-Adds-Lights-Synthetic.aspx)

The turf is a very good idea. Granted the 3 times I've been to Sewanee to see a game it has rained (or poured) each and every time, but that facility looked a little tired. Turf will really help as every time I've seen that surface it has looked worse for wear, and I've been there early in the season when W&L is in town. I can't imagine what it looked like by November. As for lights... eh. W&L put them in a few years ago as well and plays one football game or so at home at night per year. But since it's a multipurpose field, field hockey and the lacrosse teams get some night games as well. Not really sure it's worth it, but it seems to be the way things are going.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 02, 2013, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: jknezek on May 02, 2013, 08:38:55 AM
But since it's a multipurpose field, field hockey and the lacrosse teams get some night games as well. Not really sure it's worth it, but it seems to be the way things are going.

I would say it's important to keep in mind that adding lights not only allows other teams to play at night, but also to practice at night. Depending on how your school does its intramural program, it may also have some benefits there as well.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on May 02, 2013, 07:29:34 PM
Quote from: jknezek on May 02, 2013, 08:38:55 AM
The turf is a very good idea. Granted the 3 times I've been to Sewanee to see a game it has rained (or poured) each and every time, but that facility looked a little tired. Turf will really help as every time I've seen that surface it has looked worse for wear, and I've been there early in the season when W&L is in town. I can't imagine what it looked like by November.
I'd agree about the addition of field turf... it's been a struggle to keep the field in any sort of decent condition even with the school putting some effort into it over the past few years (should have seen it back when I was an undergraduate in the early '80s). 
Quote
I would say it's important to keep in mind that adding lights not only allows other teams to play at night, but also to practice at night. Depending on how your school does its intramural program, it may also have some benefits there as well.
Pat also raises a good point too, tho' our IM program has a separate set of fields.   Will be a big help for both the men and women's LAX teams during the Spring as I think it will get them to using the main field for more games rather than having to do a bunch of games on the IM fields.

I'm hoping that we'll put some more time and money into the football field once we get the renovations finished over at our baseball field.    There's been a lot of work put into McGee Field the past 2-3 years and it looks a lot better.   However, a lot of the infrastructure needs a bunch of work.... which I think is a line-item on the plans backing our next capital campaign.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on May 12, 2013, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: PrayingColonel on April 28, 2013, 08:30:31 AM
Centre College, Kicker/Punter, Jordan Gay has signed a Free Agent deal with the Carolina Panthers.

I am hearing some good news from Danville today, has anyone else??
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on May 19, 2013, 04:28:24 AM
Centre's Gay signs


http://saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20130517pkso3o
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 19, 2013, 09:26:23 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on May 19, 2013, 04:28:24 AM
Centre's Gay signs


http://saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20130517pkso3o

Very impressive. Congratulations to Jordan and good luck. I'm glad he'll no longer be punting to the Generals. It was always a matter of where he was going to pin them back.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on May 20, 2013, 07:40:43 AM
Quote from: jknezek on May 19, 2013, 09:26:23 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on May 19, 2013, 04:28:24 AM
Centre's Gay signs


http://saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20130517pkso3o

Very impressive. Congratulations to Jordan and good luck. I'm glad he'll no longer be punting to the Generals. It was always a matter of where he was going to pin them back.

Agree that is very impressive of the young man, hope he continue to defy the odds and play on Sunday.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 29, 2013, 11:05:15 AM
Work started on the field turf install on Sewanee's Harris-McGee Field.

Press release from sewaneetigers.com:
http://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130627wjn94t (http://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130627wjn94t)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on July 02, 2013, 11:05:03 AM
Hate to see the natural grass go. It was a great surface, although I'm sure it required a lot of money to keep up.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 02, 2013, 01:44:06 PM
Agreed, does lose a bit of the charm when you play on turf.   But the time, effort, and cost required to keep a natural surface in shape can be prohibitive.  Even more so when Ath. Dept. is wanting to use the field for spring sports and summer camps.    Now to see if we can generate enough funding to replace the 1920's-era plumbing in the home grandstand...  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on July 05, 2013, 04:45:32 AM
more schools starting football programs.

http://www.sportinglifearkansas.com/rex-nelson-football-at-hendrix-lyon-college-are-others-far-behind/
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 05, 2013, 11:52:23 AM
So NAIA Div 2 for Lyon?  Interesting that they expect their student athlete population of 173 to grow by 100 men in two years  ... would think they would need to add some women's sports to balance that disparity.    Only 600 total students right now.

From a quick view at the school's profile, they might be an SAA candidate if the conference ends up needing a travel partner for Hendrix (and if the conference wants to add a school, AND if Lyon wanted to go D3).     Pretty small endowment for Lyon, though, and travel costs might be a bit much.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on July 07, 2013, 01:23:55 PM
I don't see lyon in the SAA but what's the deal with berea? are they going d3? i could see them get an SAA invite if they do go d3. If lyon wanted to go d3, the scac should invite them since the need football members. Ditto Ozarks from the article they are the only arkasnas school not to restart their football program from long ago. Thus, if they did start up a football program the SCAC could invite both lyon and ozarks and get close to an auto bid.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 07, 2013, 04:58:13 PM
I'd say also that Lyon would be a better fit with the reconfigured SCAC than with the SAA schools given Lyon's demographics.   Does raise the question of why choose to add football but stay in NAIA D2 as opposed to NCAA D3?  Are there many football playing, non-scholarship schools in the NAIA,  esp. in the So. Central part of the country?

Hmmm... can't see what advantage Ozarks would gain from leaving the ASC if they ever add football.   Berea applied for D3 membership last year but I haven't seen any word in either direction about which way they've decided to go.   Do agreed they're a good fit for the SAA if they do go the D3 route.



Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on July 09, 2013, 09:09:08 PM
12 new football programs in 2013

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/7/9/4508424/2013-new-college-football-teams
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 10, 2013, 08:57:23 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on July 09, 2013, 09:09:08 PM
12 new football programs in 2013
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/7/9/4508424/2013-new-college-football-teams
Seeing how both Berry and Hendrix do in their opening games adds a little extra to the opening of the new season.  Going to be interesting to see how both programs come out with Berry opening on the road at Maryville and Hendix at home vs. Westminister.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on July 10, 2013, 09:58:00 AM
Question about Berea. Would any of the universities in the SCAC or the SAA have issues with their admissions policy for Financial aid?

http://www.berea.edu/admissions/financial-aid-scholarships/

QuoteAt Berea, we provide students with a remarkable educational opportunity. We award a 4-year, tuition scholarship to every admitted student. This scholarship works in conjunction with any other grants or scholarships students receive to completely cover the cost of tuition.

That sure could make recruiting easier.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on July 10, 2013, 02:06:22 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on July 10, 2013, 08:57:23 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on July 09, 2013, 09:09:08 PM
12 new football programs in 2013
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/7/9/4508424/2013-new-college-football-teams
Seeing how both Berry and Hendrix do in their opening games adds a little extra to the opening of the new season.  Going to be interesting to see how both programs come out with Berry opening on the road at Maryville and Hendix at home vs. Westminister.

The Maryville/Berry game is going to be played in Rome (at Shorter's field I believe).
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 10, 2013, 06:13:53 PM
Oops...  you are absolutely correct, that is a home game for Berry.   See what happens when you try to post after mixing one too many martinis.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on July 10, 2013, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on July 10, 2013, 06:13:53 PM
Oops...  you are absolutely correct, that is a home game for Berry.   See what happens when you try to post after mixing one too many martinis.
I know what you mean exactly. A couple of stiff drinks and the first thing I want to do is post.
I heard Berry's campus is top notch and the new sports complex will be first class as well. 
Does anyone know what to expect from Berry and the staff?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on July 10, 2013, 06:45:48 PM
I think the game between Berry and Murrval will be at Barron Stadium. Several local high schools once (still possibly) play there, along with shorter and the NAIA national Championship game. It is just off one of the main drags through Rome, Ga.
keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on July 11, 2013, 08:56:17 AM
I think the SAA would accept or should accept berea if they move to d3 but the only concern would be if they need to jump to 10 school's for a travel partner. 10 works best and makes it cheaper to run the conference. As for Financial AID, i think berea only accepts students from a limited pool.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 14, 2013, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: cush on July 11, 2013, 08:56:17 AM
I think the SAA would accept or should accept berea if they move to d3 but the only concern would be if they need to jump to 10 school's for a travel partner. 10 works best and makes it cheaper to run the conference. As for Financial AID, i think berea only accepts students from a limited pool.
As I understand Berea's financial aid program, athletes are treated no differently from non-athlete students.

That would be the pertinent question.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on July 24, 2013, 05:05:33 AM
Voice of the Berry Vikings.

http://www.wlaq1410.com/ben-poplin-serve-voice-berry-college-football-wlaq/
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on July 30, 2013, 03:40:12 PM
Congrats to Centre who today announced a $250 million gift to their endownment for scholarships. It more than doubles the college's current endowment and is supposed to lead to at least 160 ongoing (40 per year) full merit based scholarships on campus. While not exactly a football or D3 sports issue, it is always nice to see one of the member institutions receive this kind of support.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 03, 2013, 03:41:16 AM
Update on Hendrix football.

http://www.sportinglifearkansas.com/hendrix-college-football-reboot-these-first-guys-are-pioneers/
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 14, 2013, 01:29:57 PM
How long do you think it is going to take for teams such as Berry and Hendrix to start making some noise withing the Division III landscape? With all the talent down south, I think it may be sooner than later.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 14, 2013, 01:56:11 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on August 14, 2013, 01:29:57 PM
How long do you think it is going to take for teams such as Berry and Hendrix to start making some noise withing the Division III landscape? With all the talent down south, I think it may be sooner than later.

It will depend as much on their institutional will, athletic department, and coaching staff as it does on the available talent.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 14, 2013, 03:09:42 PM
While raw numbers won't predict the future with 100% accuracy, they're worth looking at:

Berry:  110 on roster, 106 freshmen and four sophs.
Hendrix:  53 on roster, 44 freshmen, 4 redshirt freshmen (??), 3 soph, 1 junior
Southwestern (SCAC school also in first season):  102 on roster, 98 freshmen and 4 sophs

Football at HX was not the slam dunk it seems to have been at Berry and SW and the numbers may tell a part of that story.

These programs can't support 400 players in the long run so it will be interesting to see what retention is like next year.  I imagine the coaches will be a little more selective in their recruiting going forward now that they have established this core.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 15, 2013, 08:56:37 AM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on August 14, 2013, 01:29:57 PM
How long do you think it is going to take for teams such as Berry and Hendrix to start making some noise withing the Division III landscape? With all the talent down south, I think it may be sooner than later.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Berry do quite well early on.  Coach Kunczewski and his staff appear to have done well in bringing in talent from what is a pretty talent-rich landscape from around the N. Atlanta area.    Certainly think they'll be competitive in the league once  this first group of kids become upperclassmen.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 15, 2013, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 14, 2013, 03:09:42 PM

These programs can't support 400 players in the long run so it will be interesting to see what retention is like next year.  I imagine the coaches will be a little more selective in their recruiting going forward now that they have established this core.

Good question, esp. given that only example in recent SCAC/SAA history that I can think of for comparison purposes is B-SC.  Big difference there is that both Berry and Hendrix brought in coaching staffs that had some history of working with D3 programs.   Would be interesting to hear from some of the folks that follow the national D3 scene as to what has occurred with startup programs outside the SCAC or SAA.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 15, 2013, 11:23:45 AM
Probably the most consistently successful new program is UMHB, which started football in 1998 and went 9-1 in 2000 and has claimed at least a share of the ASC title every year since.

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Mary_Hardin-Baylor/2013/index
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2013, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 15, 2013, 11:23:45 AM
Probably the most consistently successful new program is UMHB, which started football in 1998 and went 9-1 in 2000 and has claimed at least a share of the ASC title every year since.

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Mary_Hardin-Baylor/2013/index
But ETBU was tri-champs and made the playoffs in its 4th season and has not been close to that since.

Huntingdon has had more success than LaGrange, but both have made the post-season.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 15, 2013, 03:30:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2013, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 15, 2013, 11:23:45 AM
Probably the most consistently successful new program is UMHB, which started football in 1998 and went 9-1 in 2000 and has claimed at least a share of the ASC title every year since.

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Mary_Hardin-Baylor/2013/index
But ETBU was tri-champs and made the playoffs in its 4th season and has not been close to that since.

Huntingdon has had more success than LaGrange, but both have made the post-season.

Yeah that SLIAC was pretty tough... ::)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 17, 2013, 12:02:28 AM
Berry College opens camp

http://romenews-tribune.com/view/full_story/23381997/article-Berry-Football--Vikings-take-the-field-for-first-ever-practice?instance=news_page_secondary_local
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 17, 2013, 10:22:54 AM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on August 15, 2013, 03:30:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2013, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on August 15, 2013, 11:23:45 AM
Probably the most consistently successful new program is UMHB, which started football in 1998 and went 9-1 in 2000 and has claimed at least a share of the ASC title every year since.

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Mary_Hardin-Baylor/2013/index
But ETBU was tri-champs and made the playoffs in its 4th season and has not been close to that since.

Huntingdon has had more success than LaGrange, but both have made the post-season.

Yeah that SLIAC was pretty tough... ::)
Especially the road trips... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 26, 2013, 10:51:53 AM
Future Sewanee Tiger schedules.
Some interesting matchups with schools in VA in 2014

http://static.psbin.com/o/1/60gi93zvekmmox/Futurefootballschedules.docx..pdf


Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 26, 2013, 09:58:56 PM
Article in today's Nashville paper discussing the changes to the field at Sewanee.   Includes a video with comments from Coach Laurendine.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130826/SPORTS06/308260088/Sewanee-makes-big-changes-to-South-s-oldest-field?nclick_check=1 (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130826/SPORTS06/308260088/Sewanee-makes-big-changes-to-South-s-oldest-field?nclick_check=1)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 27, 2013, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 26, 2013, 10:51:53 AM
Future Sewanee Tiger schedules.
Some interesting matchups with schools in VA in 2014

http://static.psbin.com/o/1/60gi93zvekmmox/Futurefootballschedules.docx..pdf

Can't tell you how happy I am to see W&L on the schedule. The Generals don't post that far out, but after the debacle of dropping Centre for a few years (thankfully corrected) I'm glad to see that at least as far as the reasonable future the W&L-Sewanee game is safe.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 28, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Just read the d3football.com preview for the Sewanee Tigers. Prediction of a 2 win season is way to pessimistic, Would not be surprised with a 5-5 season at minimum.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 28, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Just read the d3football.com preview for the Sewanee Tigers. Prediction of a 2 win season is way to pessimistic, Would not be surprised with a 5-5 season at minimum.

Which games on that schedule are they winning?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 28, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 28, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Just read the d3football.com preview for the Sewanee Tigers. Prediction of a 2 win season is way to pessimistic, Would not be surprised with a 5-5 season at minimum.

Which games on that schedule are they winning?

Berry and Hendrix should be easy wins. Centre and Willamette aren't going to be all that strong. Depauw might be swinging up, but they haven't been much lately and it's at Sewanee. Same with Maryville. Not exactly titans and it is Up on the Mountain. Willamette was only a 4pt game last year but it is a long cross country flight for Sewanee. I don't think Sewanee will break their long struggle against W&L this year, especially in Lexington, but the game was close into the 4th quarter last year between two teams that have similar styles.

I could see 2 wins in Berry, Hendrix and a good shot at beating Maryville and/or Depauw at home. Also one of the away games Centre, Willamette, or W&L are probably in play. It's not out of the question that Sewanee gets 3-5 wins. I think 2 is definitely the bottom dollar prediction.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:49:58 PM
I don't think Willamette is a winnable game. I agree that DePauw or Maryville might be but to pick up three aside from the ones we projected, Berry and Hendrix, is a lot to ask.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 28, 2013, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:49:58 PM
I don't think Willamette is a winnable game. I agree that DePauw or Maryville might be but to pick up three aside from the ones we projected, Berry and Hendrix, is a lot to ask.

Willamette was kind of my least likely. It was only a 4pt game last year and Willamette only returns 9 players, so it's tough to say they will be head and shoulders better based on that data. Of course, Willamette took the flight last year and I put a lot of stock in home versus away since it matters so much in the ODAC.

Still, 3-5 wins is doable. A prediction of 2 really means Sewanee plays to the bottom of expectations. Even last year they picked up the surprise win at B-SC. I find it hard to believe they won't pull at least one or two more wins this year with 8 offensive returners.

That triple option is exotic enough to trip up any team that is looking beyond the Tigers and not paying enough attention in practice.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 29, 2013, 06:23:20 AM
Put Rhodes in the winnable column also. Keep in mind that this is Coach Laurandine's 3rd recruiting class to run the triple. Defensively the Tigers will be much more experienced.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 29, 2013, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: jknezek on August 28, 2013, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:49:58 PM
I don't think Willamette is a winnable game. I agree that DePauw or Maryville might be but to pick up three aside from the ones we projected, Berry and Hendrix, is a lot to ask.

Willamette was kind of my least likely. It was only a 4pt game last year and Willamette only returns 9 players, so it's tough to say they will be head and shoulders better based on that data. Of course, Willamette took the flight last year and I put a lot of stock in home versus away since it matters so much in the ODAC.

Still, 3-5 wins is doable. A prediction of 2 really means Sewanee plays to the bottom of expectations. Even last year they picked up the surprise win at B-SC. I find it hard to believe they won't pull at least one or two more wins this year with 8 offensive returners.

That triple option is exotic enough to trip up any team that is looking beyond the Tigers and not paying enough attention in practice.

Also, it is easier to travel West than East
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on August 30, 2013, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 28, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 28, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Just read the d3football.com preview for the Sewanee Tigers. Prediction of a 2 win season is way to pessimistic, Would not be surprised with a 5-5 season at minimum.

Which games on that schedule are they winning?

Berry and Hendrix should be easy wins. Centre and Willamette aren't going to be all that strong. Depauw might be swinging up, but they haven't been much lately and it's at Sewanee. Same with Maryville. Not exactly titans and it is Up on the Mountain. Willamette was only a 4pt game last year but it is a long cross country flight for Sewanee. I don't think Sewanee will break their long struggle against W&L this year, especially in Lexington, but the game was close into the 4th quarter last year between two teams that have similar styles.

I could see 2 wins in Berry, Hendrix and a good shot at beating Maryville and/or Depauw at home. Also one of the away games Centre, Willamette, or W&L are probably in play. It's not out of the question that Sewanee gets 3-5 wins. I think 2 is definitely the bottom dollar prediction.

Centre is not going to be all that strong?  I am curious why you would think that....
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 30, 2013, 09:20:31 PM
Centre is always tough. But for some reason Sewanee has matched up well with them in the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on August 30, 2013, 09:21:43 PM
Berry College news. Viking fans are getting excited.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/sports-around/2013/aug/29/georgia-colleges-field-three-new-football-teams/
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on August 30, 2013, 09:35:08 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 30, 2013, 09:20:31 PM
Centre is always tough. But for some reason Sewanee has matched up well with them in the last couple of years.

Very good game, I can't wait!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 30, 2013, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on August 30, 2013, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 28, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 28, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Just read the d3football.com preview for the Sewanee Tigers. Prediction of a 2 win season is way to pessimistic, Would not be surprised with a 5-5 season at minimum.

Which games on that schedule are they winning?

Berry and Hendrix should be easy wins. Centre and Willamette aren't going to be all that strong. Depauw might be swinging up, but they haven't been much lately and it's at Sewanee. Same with Maryville. Not exactly titans and it is Up on the Mountain. Willamette was only a 4pt game last year but it is a long cross country flight for Sewanee. I don't think Sewanee will break their long struggle against W&L this year, especially in Lexington, but the game was close into the 4th quarter last year between two teams that have similar styles.

I could see 2 wins in Berry, Hendrix and a good shot at beating Maryville and/or Depauw at home. Also one of the away games Centre, Willamette, or W&L are probably in play. It's not out of the question that Sewanee gets 3-5 wins. I think 2 is definitely the bottom dollar prediction.

Centre is not going to be all that strong?  I am curious why you would think that....

Coming off a weak season. They are bringing back 15 starters, but a new offensive line is always tough to break in when you rely on throwing the ball. The best returning rusher had only 300 yards or so last year. If the offensive line gives time, then Centre will be fine. QB returns and so do some good receivers, but the time has to be there. If not, well, .500 is a real possibility. At Wash U, at Rhodes, at Millsaps and the schedule isn't doing them a big favor either. The Colonels wouldn't be favored by too many in any of those games right now. Home for W&L and B-SC are going to be a challenge as well.

On the other hand, they get two easy games to open to give the line time to gel. Bethany and Rose-Hulman shouldn't be too bad, and it's nice to have those mid-season first year teams to give yourself a break as well. I just don't see Centre as being the class of the SAA with Millsaps and BSC, both of whom more than doubled up the Colonels last year. The Sewanee game was only 4 points and Sewanee brings back about as much as Centre.

If I'm making lines Centre is the favorite against Sewanee, especially at home, but I don't see Centre as some prohibitive favorite. The W&L game should give Centre fans an idea of where they stand, especially against another triple option team like Sewanee.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on August 30, 2013, 09:47:26 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 28, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 28, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Just read the d3football.com preview for the Sewanee Tigers. Prediction of a 2 win season is way to pessimistic, Would not be surprised with a 5-5 season at minimum.

Which games on that schedule are they winning?

Berry and Hendrix should be easy wins. Centre and Willamette aren't going to be all that strong. Depauw might be swinging up, but they haven't been much lately and it's at Sewanee. Same with Maryville. Not exactly titans and it is Up on the Mountain. Willamette was only a 4pt game last year but it is a long cross country flight for Sewanee. I don't think Sewanee will break their long struggle against W&L this year, especially in Lexington, but the game was close into the 4th quarter last year between two teams that have similar styles.

I could see 2 wins in Berry, Hendrix and a good shot at beating Maryville and/or Depauw at home. Also one of the away games Centre, Willamette, or W&L are probably in play. It's not out of the question that Sewanee gets 3-5 wins. I think 2 is definitely the bottom dollar prediction.

While Maryville aren't titans, 2nd year for Rader with 18 starters coming back on a team that also returns the league's leading rusher and tackler and led several defensive categories, and 9 All-USAC selections, too. I say Kickoff got it right with regards to that game...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 30, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on August 30, 2013, 09:47:26 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 28, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 28, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Just read the d3football.com preview for the Sewanee Tigers. Prediction of a 2 win season is way to pessimistic, Would not be surprised with a 5-5 season at minimum.

Which games on that schedule are they winning?

Berry and Hendrix should be easy wins. Centre and Willamette aren't going to be all that strong. Depauw might be swinging up, but they haven't been much lately and it's at Sewanee. Same with Maryville. Not exactly titans and it is Up on the Mountain. Willamette was only a 4pt game last year but it is a long cross country flight for Sewanee. I don't think Sewanee will break their long struggle against W&L this year, especially in Lexington, but the game was close into the 4th quarter last year between two teams that have similar styles.

I could see 2 wins in Berry, Hendrix and a good shot at beating Maryville and/or Depauw at home. Also one of the away games Centre, Willamette, or W&L are probably in play. It's not out of the question that Sewanee gets 3-5 wins. I think 2 is definitely the bottom dollar prediction.

While Maryville aren't titans, 2nd year for Rader with 18 starters coming back on a team that also returns the league's leading rusher and tackler and led several defensive categories, and 9 All-USAC selections, too. I say Kickoff got it right with regards to that game...

Man you guys are all tough. Guy from Centre questions, guy from Maryville questions, and I didn't even say Sewanee would win those games! I just said they aren't gimmes to send the Tigers to a 2 win season with the only wins over first year programs. Sewanee played, and lost, a ton of close games last year, including Centre, Maryville and Willamette, and the Tigers bring back about as much as any of those teams. Arguably they bring back more than W&L and Willamette, so why the expectation that the games won't be close again? Especially the games that flip to home games.

I'm not saying Sewanee would be favored, I'm just saying a 2 win season, in which you play 2 first year programs, literally means that nothing went your way. No home cooking, no lucky bounce, no trap game, no nothing. Pretty rare that a season goes that bad, which means something has to give. I simply put up the games I think are most likely to have a little give, not that I think the Tigers should be considered favorites.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 31, 2013, 08:27:17 AM
Quote

I'm not saying Sewanee would be favored, I'm just saying a 2 win season, in which you play 2 first year programs, literally means that nothing went your way. No home cooking, no lucky bounce, no trap game, no nothing. Pretty rare that a season goes that bad, which means something has to give. I simply put up the games I think are most likely to have a little give, not that I think the Tigers should be considered favorites.

One of the many reasons why I'd never be able to write a preseason guide like Pat and the rest of the D3football guys.  There's way too many intangibles and you have to take the pessimistic view in.most cases.  With my purple-and-white colored glasses on, I can see us having 0.500 season for the exact reasons that jknezek lists.  The potential is there for us to win a couple of games that the Kickoff have in the loss column for Sewanee, esp. the games being played on the Mountain.  We'll see what happens when they play this week.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on August 31, 2013, 08:27:17 AM

One of the many reasons why I'd never be able to write a preseason guide like Pat and the rest of the D3football guys.  There's way too many intangibles and you have to take the pessimistic view in.most cases.  With my purple-and-white colored glasses on, I can see us having 0.500 season for the exact reasons that jknezek lists. 

Been there, done that  ;)

I'm seeing more than two Ws for Sewanee, not sure if I'd go quite as far as .500.  Good luck on the season!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on August 31, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 30, 2013, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on August 30, 2013, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 28, 2013, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 28, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Just read the d3football.com preview for the Sewanee Tigers. Prediction of a 2 win season is way to pessimistic, Would not be surprised with a 5-5 season at minimum.

Which games on that schedule are they winning?

Berry and Hendrix should be easy wins. Centre and Willamette aren't going to be all that strong. Depauw might be swinging up, but they haven't been much lately and it's at Sewanee. Same with Maryville. Not exactly titans and it is Up on the Mountain. Willamette was only a 4pt game last year but it is a long cross country flight for Sewanee. I don't think Sewanee will break their long struggle against W&L this year, especially in Lexington, but the game was close into the 4th quarter last year between two teams that have similar styles.

I could see 2 wins in Berry, Hendrix and a good shot at beating Maryville and/or Depauw at home. Also one of the away games Centre, Willamette, or W&L are probably in play. It's not out of the question that Sewanee gets 3-5 wins. I think 2 is definitely the bottom dollar prediction.

Centre is not going to be all that strong?  I am curious why you would think that....

Coming off a weak season. They are bringing back 15 starters, but a new offensive line is always tough to break in when you rely on throwing the ball. The best returning rusher had only 300 yards or so last year. If the offensive line gives time, then Centre will be fine. QB returns and so do some good receivers, but the time has to be there. If not, well, .500 is a real possibility. At Wash U, at Rhodes, at Millsaps and the schedule isn't doing them a big favor either. The Colonels wouldn't be favored by too many in any of those games right now. Home for W&L and B-SC are going to be a challenge as well.

On the other hand, they get two easy games to open to give the line time to gel. Bethany and Rose-Hulman shouldn't be too bad, and it's nice to have those mid-season first year teams to give yourself a break as well. I just don't see Centre as being the class of the SAA with Millsaps and BSC, both of whom more than doubled up the Colonels last year. The Sewanee game was only 4 points and Sewanee brings back about as much as Centre.

If I'm making lines Centre is the favorite against Sewanee, especially at home, but I don't see Centre as some prohibitive favorite. The W&L game should give Centre fans an idea of where they stand, especially against another triple option team like Sewanee.

VERY nice job!!!  You definately have your finger on the pulse of Centre.

Just a couple comments...Yes the RB had a little over 300 yards last season, but, over 6 yards per carry.  As far as the o-line is concerned, not going into great detail but these guys have plenty of game experience including the playoffs (HSC and Mt Union).  I am truly looking forward to this season.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 31, 2013, 03:05:12 PM
Part of what I know of Centre is because I'm a W&L guy and I like having them on the schedule. The rest is from Kickoff, which I recommend we all buy.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 02, 2013, 09:05:11 PM
Sewanee roster is up.

http://sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2013-14/roster

Looks like 87 players, most they've brought to camp in a few years.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 05, 2013, 07:28:47 AM
Depauw-Sewanee game article

http://www.bannergraphic.com/story/2000590.html
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 05, 2013, 07:39:28 AM
SAA opening week, predictions.

   Bethany (W.V.)       Centre       going with Bethany in this one, with their experienced QB
      
     Westminster (Mo.)       Hendrix       Westminster, long season for Hendrix
      
     Austin       Rhodes                        Lynx win at home    
      
     DePauw       Sewanee                        Battle of the Tigers, Sewanee wins. Triple option is tough to defend in opener.    
      
     Birmingham Southern    LaGrange    BSU too much for Lagrange.
      
     Maryville (Tenn.)       Berry       Another loss for home team with new program, lose big to Maryville.
      
     Millsaps       Mississippi Col.       Majors take the Backyard Brawl

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on September 05, 2013, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on September 05, 2013, 07:39:28 AM
SAA opening week, predictions.

   Bethany (W.V.)       Centre       going with Bethany in this one, with their experienced QB
      
     Westminster (Mo.)       Hendrix       Westminster, long season for Hendrix
      
     Austin       Rhodes                        Lynx win at home    
      
     DePauw       Sewanee                        Battle of the Tigers, Sewanee wins. Triple option is tough to defend in opener.    
      
     Birmingham Southern    LaGrange    BSU too much for Lagrange.
      
     Maryville (Tenn.)       Berry       Another loss for home team with new program, lose big to Maryville.
      
     Millsaps       Mississippi Col.       Majors take the Backyard Brawl

WOW!!!  Bethany over Centre????  I will say Centre by at least 14.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 06, 2013, 09:38:24 AM
Bit of a reach I'll admit, but Bethany's Grimmard is a very solid QB. Pre season All American.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 06, 2013, 09:58:36 AM
It's BSC, not BSU.   

ref:  http://www.bsc.edu/  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on September 07, 2013, 11:01:53 AM
LaGrange is going to get the best of BSC...Our offense is going to be too powerful.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 07, 2013, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 10:49:58 PM
I don't think Willamette is a winnable game. I agree that DePauw or Maryville might be but to pick up three aside from the ones we projected, Berry and Hendrix, is a lot to ask.

After last night, I think Willamette will be a very, very tough game for Sewanee. Pat had this one right. They pretty much dismantled what, on paper, should be a pretty good HSU team.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on September 07, 2013, 02:39:13 PM
Hey guys, Austin College guy here and I'm watching the AC/Rhodes game and for those who have been to the Rhodes stadium, I'm just curious, is there any sort of netting between the soccer field and football field? I notice in the background a soccer game is going on at the same time as the football game, and the soccer field is positioned in such a way that I could easily see a shot going over the goal and reaching the football field, so I'm just curious to know if there's any sort of net to catch stray shots from soccer.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on September 07, 2013, 02:56:45 PM
Nevermind! I can see the netting behind the soccer goal now.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 07, 2013, 05:27:59 PM
Final on the Mountain with Sewanee beating Depauw 0-7.     I was only able to cstch the 2nd quarter during which Sewanee seemed able to run the ball well against Depauw.  Have to say that I was shocked by how much Depauw's team has regressed since they were in the SCAC with us.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 07, 2013, 08:16:57 PM
BSC or BSU they got the W.

Nice start for the Sewanee Tigers.

A. Lewis is correct I saw Sewanee v. Depauw 4 years ago. The DPU Tigers were very good at that time.

Glad to see Mountain Tigers get off to a good start.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2013, 09:08:54 PM
Who saw Hendrix getting the W in their first game in decades?  Wow ...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 07, 2013, 10:40:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2013, 09:08:54 PM
Who saw Hendrix getting the W in their first game in decades?  Wow ...
I can see the T-shirts come Monday...

Still undefeated since 19XX.

One of the indexes on the ASC Pick'em contest picked Hendrix.

I did not have the cojones!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 08, 2013, 07:49:51 AM
The Hendrix game was the one of the two 1st year teams playing where I thought it would be good to bet against the predictions. Of the two, I thought Hendrix would match up better against Westminster than Berry would against Maryville. 

I was more surprised by the Berry-Maryville score... really thought first-game emotions would have kept Berry in the game a little more than what the score indicates happened.   Reports from friends at that game did say they had a good crowd in Rome and I hope they can keep that excitement going.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2013, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on September 06, 2013, 09:38:24 AM
Bit of a reach I'll admit, but Bethany's Grimmard is a very solid QB. Pre season All American.

Only on one of those lists that had 20 quarterbacks and 500 players. "Very solid" doesn't equate to "All American" in most people's minds.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 08, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
Bethany gave the Colonels a run at home!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on September 09, 2013, 10:43:10 AM
http://berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130907ar10j9


did i read that right? 6700 at the berry game? very impressive attendance.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2013, 11:38:01 AM
Very impressive - no doubt the SAA attendance record.  Southwestern had nearly 6K show up at their opener, setting the SCAC record in their first game since the 40s. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 09, 2013, 01:25:29 PM
Anyone go to the Sewanee game last weekend? Did their offense look faster on turf
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on September 09, 2013, 03:30:55 PM
wow, not a good day for centre college. Very fishy story with the 250M gift.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2013, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: cush on September 09, 2013, 03:30:55 PM
wow, not a good day for centre college. Very fishy story with the 250M gift.

See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/09/centre-college-donation-withdrawn_n_3895006.html - the gift was the center(!)piece of a $500 million fundraising campaign that Centre hopes to conclude by the end of 2019.  Here was the original announcement:  http://giving.centre.edu/2013/08/250m-scholarship-gift/

Same thing happened to Southwestern on a smaller scale when the clown who was going to underwrite $5M of the $6M required to start football decided to take his football (and money) and go home.  You make a commitment, you honor your commitment, and if there's some chance you won't be able to honor it (e.g. flaky investment strategy), don't make it in the first place.

OK, I promise to quit talking about SW on the SAA board.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 10, 2013, 10:10:03 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on September 09, 2013, 01:25:29 PM
Anyone go to the Sewanee game last weekend? Did their offense look faster on turf
Not I noticed in the couple of series that I saw while I was at the game.   Will be interesting to see what happens when we get a team on the Mountain that plays the spread. I expect receivers should be able to run routes a little better on the turf.   That hard-packed clay we had masquerading as grass on our field was not something that encouraged quick cuts...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 10, 2013, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: cush on September 09, 2013, 03:30:55 PM
wow, not a good day for centre college. Very fishy story with the 250M gift.
The stories I'm seeing this morning in the higher ed-related blogs imply that Centre's staff jumped the gun in announcing the gift.   Lot's of "he said/they said" recriminations are on-going between the donor and school at the moment.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 10, 2013, 12:12:11 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 10, 2013, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: cush on September 09, 2013, 03:30:55 PM
wow, not a good day for centre college. Very fishy story with the 250M gift.
The stories I'm seeing this morning in the higher ed-related blogs imply that Centre's staff jumped the gun in announcing the gift.   Lot's of "he said/they said" recriminations are on-going between the donor and school at the moment.

Since I work in finance and occassionally deal with these types of issues on a smaller scale I will say that the arrangement was not that unusual. Generally it is prudent not to announce until the underlying transaction is complete, but it looks like the school knew the deal was contingent upon a stock transaction based on a refinancing.

It's pretty rare that the transaction doesn't go through once it gets to the advanced stages, so Centre was probably going to be OK announcing, but since it isn't guaranteed until the stock is gifted and sold, or retained in the endowment (something I'm sure the schoool wasn't planning to do, at least not for the whole amount), it would have been prudent not to announce the gift.

The announcement was actually part of the problem, as the refinancing was contingent upon a credit rating from what I understand. Again, nothing unusual, but since the credit agencies learned the stock was going to be gifted, and most likely sold, driving down the market value of the firm, the credit rating sagged, leading to a sticking point in the refinancing and blowing up the transaction.

Since the trust that announced the gift has given to Centre in the past, it would not be unprecedented to rework this deal in the future. Either way, highly embarrassing to all sides.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2013, 01:22:26 PM
Thanks jknezek for the "insider" explanation of what you think is going on.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 10, 2013, 02:59:02 PM
Best article I've found so far on Centre's lost money. The article is not really explaining the mechanics of it all, but at least touching upon how something like this could fall apart without it being the true "fault" of one or a couple people:

http://chronicle.com/blogs/bottomline/250-million-gift-to-centre-college-is-withdrawn/
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 12, 2013, 08:29:02 AM
Week 2 Pick 'em

LaGrange       Millsaps       Majors make it 2 straight
      
Rhodes       Washington (Mo.)    Wash U wins  in an early preview to their joining SAA next season.   
      
Hendrix       Birmingham Southern   Magic runs out for Hendrix, BSC wins big.

      
Sewanee       Willamette   Tigers with cross country road win


      
Centre       Rose-Hulman       The Engineers will try to White Out the Colonels, Colonels prevail on road
   
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 14, 2013, 08:31:33 PM
Can anyone tell me is Hendrix that good? I didn't go over to the game today figuring a first year program would get it handed to them by a good B-SC team. Instead, it seems like Hendrix didn't let anything go for the second straight week. Really wondering how a first year program is that good or if it is just fluky. Not sure what to make of B-SC after this. They killed a LaGrange team that hung tough with Millsaps, but couldn't put away a first year program at home?

And hats off to Sewanee. Two years in a row they have pushed Willamette to the wire. A Willamette team that absolutely sand-blasted an ASC team expected to be pretty decent.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on September 15, 2013, 02:29:51 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 14, 2013, 08:31:33 PM
Can anyone tell me is Hendrix that good? I didn't go over to the game today figuring a first year program would get it handed to them by a good B-SC team. Instead, it seems like Hendrix didn't let anything go for the second straight week. Really wondering how a first year program is that good or if it is just fluky. Not sure what to make of B-SC after this. They killed a LaGrange team that hung tough with Millsaps, but couldn't put away a first year program at home?

And hats off to Sewanee. Two years in a row they have pushed Willamette to the wire. A Willamette team that absolutely sand-blasted an ASC team expected to be pretty decent.

Time will tell, but Buck Buchanan, the new head coach at Hendrix is probably part of the reason.  Great guy, enthusiastic, knows about D3 from previous coaching experience, and good recruiter.  A fellow Austin College alumni!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 15, 2013, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 14, 2013, 08:31:33 PM
And hats off to Sewanee. Two years in a row they have pushed Willamette to the wire. A Willamette team that absolutely sand-blasted an ASC team expected to be pretty decent.
Def. had a since of deja vu while watching the game as it went almost the same as last year's contest on the Mountain.   Was impressed by the play of Willamette's QB; the young man had a bunch of really nice plays throughout the game.  We're going to have to do some work in practice this week to work on fixing some of the silly mistakes our guys made during the game. That series of three straight penalties on that 4th down play late in the game that killed our last drive was painful to watch.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 15, 2013, 09:35:38 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 14, 2013, 08:31:33 PM
Not sure what to make of B-SC after this. They killed a LaGrange team that hung tough with Millsaps, but couldn't put away a first year program at home?
B-SC has always been odd that way.  I'm thinking there's a coaching issue somewhere as I expected them to thunk us last year when Sewanee ended up beating them at home.  They always seem to have have one game a season I look at and ask myself "What?".

I'll second roocru about Hendrix making a good hire with Coach Buchanan.  A lot of what you're seeing is signs of good coaching.   Should be a fun game in Conway next week with Southwestern coming into town and will be interesting to see what happens the following week when they have to go down to Jackson to take on Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 18, 2013, 11:28:56 AM
SAA Action this week, predictions anyone?

   Point University (Ga.)  @  Millsaps       Majors win big.
      
     Maryville (Tenn.)  @   Sewanee               Tigers revenge last years loss to Maryville on Mountain.
      
     Washington and Lee  @   Centre       Centre wins at home

      
     Berry @   Mercer                                    Mercer has mopped up on some NAIA teams, Berry on a JV team. I'll take Mercer at home

      
     Birmingham Southern @ Stetson       BSC should win against D1AA newcomer.    
      
     Rhodes       Claremont-M-S       Lynx win on long road trip.

Say what you want about the SAA, their kids get to take some pretty interesting road trips on a D3 schedule. Great experience.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2013, 11:51:24 AM
We have a new Around the South (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/Caton-an-unexpected-gift-for-fledgling-Hendrix-program) columnist - welcome to Andee Djuric - and Hendrix is the feature story this week.

(I had something else posted here but it was pretty stupid so removed it)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 21, 2013, 12:10:58 AM
Sewanee-Maryville Game Notes

http://static.psbin.com/e/s/dcgw27fc5y4ypg/Game_Notes_Maryville.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 21, 2013, 09:33:58 AM
Looks like we'll get to see just how well the new turf works on the field at Sewanee as a huge storm front is currently passing over the Mountain.   Tho' the forecast is for the weather to be clearing out by game time.    Does look like the weather may be really sloppy for both the Berry and Centre games.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 21, 2013, 09:37:14 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 21, 2013, 09:33:58 AM
Looks like we'll get to see just how well the new turf works on the field at Sewanee as a huge storm front is currently passing over the Mountain.   Tho' the forecast is for the weather to be clearing out by game time.    Does look like the weather may be really sloppy for both the Berry and Centre games.
Yeah. That goes for most of the south east I think. Looks pretty nasty for Huntingdon and La Col. Still trying to decide if it is worth going.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 21, 2013, 02:20:52 PM
Sewanee Tigers w 10-0 lead in first quarter. Run game is working very well. Looks like the fog is rolling in on the live video!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 21, 2013, 02:44:48 PM
Sewanee up 16-7 with 10:00 to go in second.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 21, 2013, 02:52:56 PM
Great game, after an 80+ yard kickoff return, Sewanee 23-14  with 7:33 left in first half.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 21, 2013, 03:20:56 PM
Sewanee 23-21 at half, heavy fog on the Mountain.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 21, 2013, 04:17:33 PM
Tigers still up 30-28 in the dense fog Its so foggy the commentators cant see the scoreboard. I think it's in the 4th, around 11 minutes left!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 21, 2013, 06:19:35 PM
Tigers could not close it out.

It sure is a shame that this board hasn't picked up more readers/[posters.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2013, 06:46:41 PM
Well, there are a bunch of lurkers.  Thanks for the updates.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 21, 2013, 07:13:35 PM
Most people are posting to #d3fb hashtag over on Twitter.  Best comment on the Sewanee game comes from Alex Bruce, our PA announcer, who on Maryville's second score in the 4th quarter announced: 'it would seem there was a touchdown. The score appears to be 42- 30."   I was standing behind the home bench and could barely see past the sideline.

EDIT: fixed the cell-phone induced spelling madness.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 24, 2013, 02:38:54 PM
Anyone going to the Birmingham Southern game this weekend? I'm planning to be there with the family tailgating outside our ancient motor home. Send me a PM and feel free to come bye.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 26, 2013, 07:27:08 AM
Week 4 picks:

Southwestern (Tex.)     Hendrix       Hendrix beats fellow startup program at home   

      
Sewanee       Washington and Lee       Bi-annual long bus ride to W & L results in a hard fought W for Tigers      

      
Berry        Rhodes                        Lynx over the Vikes.
      
Wesley       Birmingham Southern     BSC takes the ranked Wolverines at home in an upset special.   
      
Centre       Washington (Mo.              Centre wins at the defensively tough Wash U Bears
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 28, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
Beautiful day at BSC.  Waiting for game time with the tail gate ready to go
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wesleydad on September 28, 2013, 12:45:52 PM
jk, hope you enjoy the game and i will be looking forward to our take on this year's wesley team.  I have my reservations after what I saw the last 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 28, 2013, 06:48:45 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 28, 2013, 12:45:52 PM
jk, hope you enjoy the game and i will be looking forward to our take on this year's wesley team.  I have my reservations after what I saw the last 2 weeks.

I put it up in the AFCA area. Not much I could say. Wasn't a very entertaining game. Second year in a row I went over to B-SC to watch them play a big game and came away scratching my head. Will have to think about that program a bit now.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2013, 07:16:44 PM
They haven't figured out how to play (or win) the big game yet.  Lots of eggs laid in those in their short history.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 01, 2013, 09:19:16 PM
SAA slate this weekend.

   
Berry       Washington U          Wash U too much for Vikes. Bears look to be formidable for next when they join conference next year       
      
     Birmingham Southern       Sewanee             Tigers will try to repeat last years upset at home
      
     Hendrix       Millsaps       Majors big.
      
     Chicago       Rhodes       Maroons too tough for Lynx
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 05, 2013, 05:04:37 PM
Sewanee overcomes a 19 point deficit to beat B-SC 31-28.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 05, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
Sewanee just has BSC's number. Nice win for the Tigers to get back on track. BSC is a very odd team
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on October 05, 2013, 09:48:38 PM
What a comeback by Mountain Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: evacuee on November 01, 2013, 09:58:01 AM
Millsaps at 7-0, Rhodes at a not seen in decades with back to back winning seasons, an apparent collision course for the championship in week 11 at Memphis.

Where are y'all?  No posts in almost a month!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 16, 2013, 02:37:58 PM
Rhodes doing their darnest to send the Majors home next week.  14-0 Lynx in Memphis after one play in the second quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2013, 07:36:58 PM
WAR EAGLE!!!!!!!

Sorry. I just had to!



I just saw the replay.  I thought I saw the War Eagle lift that ball out of the hands of the Georgia DBs and carry into the hands of Ricardo Louis!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Toby Taff on November 16, 2013, 07:45:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2013, 07:36:58 PM
WAR EAGLE!!!!!!!

Sorry. I just had to!



I just saw the replay.  I thought I saw the War Eagle lift that ball out of the hands of the Georgia DBs and carry into the hands of Ricardo Lewis!
That was the shout in my living room
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: @d3jason on November 16, 2013, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on November 16, 2013, 07:45:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2013, 07:36:58 PM
WAR EAGLE!!!!!!!

Sorry. I just had to!



I just saw the replay.  I thought I saw the War Eagle lift that ball out of the hands of the Georgia DBs and carry into the hands of Ricardo Lewis!
That was the shout in my living room
Now if they can just beat the Tide next.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerfanalso on November 20, 2013, 02:12:54 PM
No they cannot beat the Tide at least not this year. AU has had a remarkable turnaround but they are not ready to beat Bama, not just yet. November 2015 could be a different story however.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on December 03, 2013, 08:23:03 PM
👍LOL
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2013, 08:34:11 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on November 16, 2013, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on November 16, 2013, 07:45:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2013, 07:36:58 PM
WAR EAGLE!!!!!!!

Sorry. I just had to!



I just saw the replay.  I thought I saw the War Eagle lift that ball out of the hands of the Georgia DBs and carry into the hands of Ricardo Lewis!
That was the shout in my living room
Now if they can just beat the Tide next.
WAR EAGLE!!!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on December 09, 2013, 10:58:01 AM
Doc i been out of pocket
WAR EAGLE.... AMEN... can i get another
AMEN

sorry... i had to also
Go Hawks

Keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 31, 2014, 06:25:04 PM
First post of 2014?

Centre is taking on an amateur team in Dublin.

Amateur is right, it was 63-0 at the half.    Hope theteam enjoyed their trip across the pond!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 13, 2014, 03:56:39 PM
Yep,  not a lot of traffic over here.   Hope to see that change a bit now that we are moving towards football season.

This is first time I've heard of a FB team doing an overseas exhibition tour but it is something that I have seen  a lot in basketball. Wonder what the NCAA rules are about extra practice time and travel team size in this case?

On a different note, was looking at Sewanee's '14 schedule and noticed a couple of schools on the schedule we haven't played in a while with us traveling to Randolph-Macon and a home game with Emory & Henry.   

Not long now...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2014, 02:40:48 PM
Rules are the same as they are in other sports, at least in terms of frequency. You can only do a foreign tour once every three years. Football teams get ten practices in full pads to prepare. Some schools use that to have a spring game with that final practice.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 15, 2014, 10:17:21 PM
Be interested in seeing how it impacts the team come the fall.    Certainly a great experience for the kids.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on July 07, 2014, 11:54:32 AM
Thinking of coming to Jackson for the first UMHB game this season. Anyone want to give me a rundown of places to stay and eat? Must see things in Jackson? Any information you have would be great. Thanks!

CRUNATION!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on July 07, 2014, 12:52:59 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on July 07, 2014, 11:54:32 AM
Thinking of coming to Jackson for the first UMHB game this season. Anyone want to give me a rundown of places to stay and eat? Must see things in Jackson? Any information you have would be great. Thanks!

CRUNATION!

I've been to Jackson a few times on business. Going for pleasure isn't really on my list of things to do. However, I recommend the Fairview Inn to stay at. Within walking distance of Millsaps, it's a very pretty historic b&b type place with wonderful food. The rooms are updated with amenities, but very much old school historic furniture and fixtures. A different experience from a Hampden Inn. My wife absolutely loved it when I dragged her along once, and I enjoy the historic aspect.

As for things to do, I'm drawing a blank. For places to eat, as with most small southern cities, there are lots of great places. Jackson is close enough to New Orleans to sport some good cajun food, and deep enough in the south to have good BBQ (and not Texas brisket!). I can't think of a name off the top of my head, but there were a few places recommended by people at the Fairview.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on July 07, 2014, 04:43:21 PM
Quote from: jknezek on July 07, 2014, 12:52:59 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on July 07, 2014, 11:54:32 AM
Thinking of coming to Jackson for the first UMHB game this season. Anyone want to give me a rundown of places to stay and eat? Must see things in Jackson? Any information you have would be great. Thanks!

CRUNATION!

I've been to Jackson a few times on business. Going for pleasure isn't really on my list of things to do. However, I recommend the Fairview Inn to stay at. Within walking distance of Millsaps, it's a very pretty historic b&b type place with wonderful food. The rooms are updated with amenities, but very much old school historic furniture and fixtures. A different experience from a Hampden Inn. My wife absolutely loved it when I dragged her along once, and I enjoy the historic aspect.

As for things to do, I'm drawing a blank. For places to eat, as with most small southern cities, there are lots of great places. Jackson is close enough to New Orleans to sport some good cajun food, and deep enough in the south to have good BBQ (and not Texas brisket!). I can't think of a name off the top of my head, but there were a few places recommended by people at the Fairview.

+1 Thank you, sir!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: CoachWink on July 10, 2014, 07:33:25 PM
Sal and Mookies in Fondren area right near Millsaps. Great New York style pizza and Ice Cream Shop. Kieffer's (spelling?) on State Street near campus has been on Food Network. With the Fondren and Belhaven area's bordering campus you will find plenty of great food options. Stay at the Cabot Lodge Millsaps right next to campus...tailgate on game day...great green belt area for visiting teams to do that.

Great respect for the Cru and the great high school football played in Texas. BTW...Jackson is not in the top ten for most dangerous cities in America and the state of Mississippi is not on the most recent list of the top ten worst states to live in. Our friends from UMHB will enjoy our southern hospitality here in Mississippi.

Also exit 48 in Pearl 15 minutes from campus has some great hotels and all right by Bass Pro Shop, Outlets of Mississippi, Sams Club, Braves AA Baseball Stadium.....nice area to stay.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: grboob on August 01, 2014, 06:53:46 PM
Anyone know what Hendrix will look like in 2014.  They played some competitive games in 2013

Also, would like to see them play Lyons College a new Arkansas startup in 2017 or so.  That would be fun to watch Campuses are less than 50 miles away
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 01, 2014, 08:32:51 PM
Quote from: grboob on August 01, 2014, 06:53:46 PM
Anyone know what Hendrix will look like in 2014.  They played some competitive games in 2013

Also, would like to see them play Lyons College a new Arkansas startup in 2017 or so.  That would be fun to watch Campuses are less than 50 miles away

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2014/07/time-to-get-kickoff-2014
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on August 07, 2014, 06:08:15 PM
As the father of a Centre senior I am truly looking forward to this season, I wish everyone safe travels.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 27, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
I saw the Panthers waived Jordan Gay yesterday but the Bills picked him up. Hope he can stick. He was one of two former D3 players the Panthers waived, with former UWW QB Matt Blanchard waived as well. Tampa Bay also cut Alex Tanney from D3 Monmouth College.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HSCTiger74 on August 27, 2014, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 27, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
I saw the Panthers waived Jordan Gay yesterday but the Bills picked him up. Hope he can stick. He was one of two former D3 players the Panthers waived, with former UWW QB Matt Blanchard waived as well. Tampa Bay also cut Alex Tanney from D3 Monmouth College.

According to a couple of sources I've looked at, including the Charlotte Observer, Blanchard was actually put on injured reserve. He might be waived/injured at a later date, but for now, as someone on IR, he's still associated with the team.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 03, 2014, 12:43:10 PM
I will be in Jackson for UMHB's opener with Millsaps. I was looking at Google maps and was wondering where is the best place to park for events at Harper Davis Field. The map and satellite views do not show too many parking lots. Any help would be appreciated. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on September 03, 2014, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on September 03, 2014, 12:43:10 PM
I will be in Jackson for UMHB's opener with Millsaps. I was looking at Google maps and was wondering where is the best place to park for events at Harper Davis Field. The map and satellite views do not show too many parking lots. Any help would be appreciated.
You will enter the campus from State St at the entrance just south of the Cabot Lodge Motel. As you head up the hill it seems like there is usually someone directing you where to go, depending on crowd size. If you are early enough you may get into that lot next to what I think are dorms. Most likely you will be directed into the grassy areas next to the little road that runs kind of parallel to the right field line of the baseball field and have to walk up the hill to the stadium.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 03, 2014, 02:37:41 PM
Thank you, Hawks88. I like to know what to expect.

Are you making the trip to Pineville for the Hawks opener with LC?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on September 03, 2014, 02:48:33 PM
Not going to make it to LC this time. We are planning to make the trip to Methodist in week 3 then hope to go to Maryville the following week. I'm not sure sure I would survive three long trips like that in a month. I'll always remember coming to LC in '10 though. That was an all time classic.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 03, 2014, 03:13:43 PM
I was at that game. It was a humdinger, no doubt. Safe travels when you do hit the road.

I think LC does a decent job streaming the games. I hope you can watch via the Internet.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 05, 2014, 08:48:26 AM
Sewanee season preview from Chattanooga Times-Free Press with comments from Coach Laurendine:
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/sep/05/sewanee-has-high-hopes-if-starters-stay-healthy/ (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/sep/05/sewanee-has-high-hopes-if-starters-stay-healthy/)

Seeing hope for some improvement based on having a good core returning to the Mountain this year.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 05, 2014, 01:59:12 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 05, 2014, 08:48:26 AM
Sewanee season preview from Chattanooga Times-Free Press with comments from Coach Laurendine:
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/sep/05/sewanee-has-high-hopes-if-starters-stay-healthy/ (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/sep/05/sewanee-has-high-hopes-if-starters-stay-healthy/)

Seeing hope for some improvement based on having a good core returning to the Mountain this year.

Planning to be at the W&L game week 2. If you are going to be there let me know so we can say hi. Looking forward to seeing Sewanee again. Try number 5 for a non raining visit.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 07, 2014, 02:15:17 PM
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Planning to be at the W&L game week 2. If you are going to be there let me know so we can say hi. Looking forward to seeing Sewanee again. Try number 5 for a non raining visit.
I should be on campus next Saturday.   Weather forecast at the moment is saying the heavy weather should clear out by Friday.   I'm usually on the fence on the 40-yd line towards the flagpole... just look for the big guy wearing the brown fedora.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 08, 2014, 01:25:51 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 07, 2014, 02:15:17 PM
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Planning to be at the W&L game week 2. If you are going to be there let me know so we can say hi. Looking forward to seeing Sewanee again. Try number 5 for a non raining visit.
I should be on campus next Saturday.   Weather forecast at the moment is saying the heavy weather should clear out by Friday.   I'm usually on the fence on the 40-yd line towards the flagpole... just look for the big guy wearing the brown fedora.

Will do. We should get there plenty early as we're coming in our old motor home again. Planning to not park somewhere I get blocked into this time. Hopefully we'll get a good spot by the W&L tailgate at the practice fields. We'll be hard to miss in the old coach. Feel free to stop by. Planning on having some grill pizzas and other food and should have another family with no connection to either school just hanging out to enjoy the day and game. Sometime after 11 CST is the goal, but with little kids and having to drive up from Chattanooga it's a bit hit or miss. No good campgrounds just south of the school unfortunately.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 14, 2014, 08:19:47 PM
Recap from around the league for the weekend of 9/13:
Centre 34 - Defiance 7
Millsaps 30 - Mt. St. Joseph 22
Sewanee 21 - Washington and Lee 19
Rhodes 46 - Washington (Mo.) 22
Huntingdon 29 - Birmingham Southern 12
Hendrix 24 - Bacone 14
LaGrange 28 - Berry 27

Thoughts from the weekend:
Games of the weekend for me were the tough loss for Berry in 2OTs and the home team holding off W&L late.  Still looking like Centre is again the team to beat in the league.

Coming up in Week 3:
Sewanee at Randolph-Macon
W&L at Centre
Stetson at B-SC
Rhodes at Pomona-Pitzer

Thoughts:
Rhodes does the road trip to Pomona-Pitzer.  Can they go to 3-0? It's week 2 of SAA vs. ODAC with Sewanee going to R-MC and W&L traveling to Centre.   B-SC taking on a Pioneer League FCS team that was drubbed 49-0 this weekend by Mercer.   Chance for an up-division win?

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 14, 2014, 08:31:11 PM
The Sewanee-Rhodes  rivalry one of two traditional D-III rivalries to make it into Southern Living's "South's Biggest Rivalries" sweepstakes.   The other was the HSC & R-MC rivalry in the ODAC.

http://www.southernliving.com/travel/souths-biggest-rivalries.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2014, 10:35:52 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 14, 2014, 08:31:11 PM
The Sewanee-Rhodes  rivalry one of two traditional D-III rivalries to make it into Southern Living's "South's Biggest Rivalries" sweepstakes.   The other was the HSC & R-MC rivalry in the ODAC.

http://www.southernliving.com/travel/souths-biggest-rivalries.
Both appropriate.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2014, 09:33:28 AM
Recap from around the league for the weekend of 9/20:
Centre 28 - Washington and Lee 23
Rhodes 42 - Pomona-Pitzer 21
Randolph-Macon 34 - Sewanee 20
Stetson 37 - Birmingham-Southern 19

Thoughts:
The Centre/W&L game went about like I expected after seeing W&L play Sewanee the prior weekend.   I suspected that W&L would keep the game close and the box score seems to say they did.   The R-MC/Sewanee game was the classic example of momentum in football with R-MC using the momentum wave from a long kickoff return to break open a close game.   Rhodes is a bit of enigma  for me at the moment as I've not seen them play either live or via streaming.

Coming up in week 4:
Rhodes at Berry
Washington (Mo.) at Centre
B-SC at Hendrix
Emory &  Henry at Sewanee
Millsaps at East Texas Baptist

Thoughts:
Conference play starts up in earnest.     Sewanee continues our swing through the ODAC.   Most interesting games for me are going to be the Rhodes/Berry and B-SC/Hendrix games as they will be my first chance to take a hard look at both Rhodes and Hendrix (and I've become a Berry fan this week as well as a Sewanee fan :-) ).
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 29, 2014, 12:03:31 PM
I'm planning to be at the Sewanee -- BSC game this weekend so long as the weather is good. Planning to get there early so I can park the motorhome up on the hill overlooking the field. Come on by to say hi if any D3 posters are around. Should have some food on the grill and other tailgating goodies.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 02, 2014, 11:57:04 AM
Someone get the paddles! This board has no pulse...
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 02, 2014, 11:18:32 PM
Not a lot of traffic... most of the folks who were regular posters stayed over on the SCAC board.  Tho' I think a lot of them are lurking around in the background.

Work is keeping me in Huntsville this weekend... my employer is hosting a major music festival on our campus and it was strongly "suggested" that we volunteer.   At least I'll have decent enough bandwidth at work to listen to the B-SC/Sewanee game.

And I'm going to keep an ear on the Millsaps/Hendrix game.   Hendrix is still undefeated at this point and will be a good test to see how they do at home against Millsaps.    Be interesting to see what happens with Rhodes/Chicago.   Will get a feel for what it'll be like when Chicago and WashU join the league next year.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2014, 11:28:44 PM
LOL what regular posters?   SCAC board has less activity than this one ... :D
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 03, 2014, 03:25:46 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 02, 2014, 11:18:32 PM


Work is keeping me in Huntsville this weekend... my employer is hosting a major music festival on our campus and it was strongly "suggested" that we volunteer.   At least I'll have decent enough bandwidth at work to listen to the B-SC/Sewanee game.


that's a shame. I'll cheer on your Tigers this weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on October 03, 2014, 05:24:32 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 02, 2014, 11:18:32 PM
Not a lot of traffic... most of the folks who were regular posters stayed over on the SCAC board.  Tho' I think a lot of them are lurking around in the background.

Work is keeping me in Huntsville this weekend... my employer is hosting a major music festival on our campus and it was strongly "suggested" that we volunteer.   At least I'll have decent enough bandwidth at work to listen to the B-SC/Sewanee game.

And I'm going to keep an ear on the Millsaps/Hendrix game.   Hendrix is still undefeated at this point and will be a good test to see how they do at home against Millsaps.    Be interesting to see what happens with Rhodes/Chicago.   Will get a feel for what it'll be like when Chicago and WashU join the league next year.

I agree on both these games, I am very curious about Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 04, 2014, 12:04:31 PM
Set up at BSC. Love this field. Park the motor home on the hill behin the end one and watch from my folding chairs. Best physical tailgate location. Atmosphere still needs work....
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 04, 2014, 06:19:15 PM
Beautiful day today at BSC. Sewanee shot themselves in the foot. Repeatedly. BSC gets the win. Sewanee gets a lesson in what happens when you are not able to make 4th and short a couple times in the red zone and you keep losing fumbles in and out of the red zone.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 04, 2014, 07:29:37 PM
I think the folks at the registration desk of the music festival that I had to work today thought I was demented due to agonized expression I would make every time Sewanee failed on some of those plays.   Disappointed as I had thought we had matured out of those kind of problems.

Hendrix held off a late push from Millsaps to win 35-30 to go to 4-0.   Chicago pulled off a late INT and FG to beat Rhodes 17-14.     Hendrix stays at 4-0 to stay undefeated with an off this week Centre team.   

Interesting schedule for Hendrix as they have WashU and Berry on the road and Austin at home over the next three weeks.     Votes for Hendrix in the Top 25 by the end of the month?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 11, 2014, 12:14:50 PM
Up this week:
B-SC at Southeastern Univ.
Berry at Centre
Hendrix at Washington (Mo.)
Sewanee at Rhodes

Thoughts:
Rivalry game this week for one's favorite team... doesn't matter what the final results of the season so long as we have good results against W&L and those people in Memphis.  Not certain I'll be pleased with the results this year; just hope we don't beat ourselves like we did last week at B-SC.    Speaking of which,   B-SC travels to Florida to take on a first-year NAIA D-2 program.     Am looking forward to seeing if Hendrix can keep the momentum going as they go up to take on Washington.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: WashUDad on October 11, 2014, 03:22:45 PM
Wow The Bears finally seem to have arrived.    45-7 with about 4 left in the half...   Go Bears!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 11, 2014, 04:45:45 PM
Yep.  Looks like Reality (or at least the WashU Bears) decided today was the day to give Hendrix a kick in the pants.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 11, 2014, 09:36:46 PM
Hendrix was the unfortunate opponent of a Wash-U team that was determined to stop its 1-4 slide in the first half of the season.  After disappointing rout losses to Rhodes and Centre, and losing a 23-10 lead and later the game at Berry last weekend, the Bears could have begun a slide to a 2-8 season.  However, it appeared that many players took a long hard look in the mirror and decided that they were a much better team than the first half indicated.  As a result, today Wash-U totally dominated Hendrix in all areas of the game.  Total offense in Wash-U's favor 459-309, the Bears' defense only gave up 1 TD (Steve Crenshaw 4 FGs) and forced 4 turnovers, and the Bears scored on a 45-yard punt return, a 62-yard fake punt pass, and a blocked punt recovered in the Hendrix end zone.  Wash-U had a 24-0 lead after one quarter, and a 45-7 lead at halftime.

Granted, Hendrix missed starting QB Seth Peters, who did not play because of an injury.  But, the way Wash-U played today, I believe that it would have still defeated the Warriors by 2-3 TDs if Peters had played.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on October 28, 2014, 05:24:36 PM
Can someone please tell me if our Conference champion receives an automatic bid to the playoffs this season?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 28, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on October 28, 2014, 05:24:36 PM
Can someone please tell me if our Conference champion receives an automatic bid to the playoffs this season?

According to a mistake filled preliminary handbook, yes. According to what we thought were the rules, no. Last I heard people were asking for clarification from the bunglers at the NCAA
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on October 28, 2014, 06:28:12 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 28, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on October 28, 2014, 05:24:36 PM
Can someone please tell me if our Conference champion receives an automatic bid to the playoffs this season?

According to a mistake filled preliminary handbook, yes. According to what we thought were the rules, no. Last I heard people were asking for clarification from the bunglers at the NCAA

Thank you....From what I was able to research the conference was on probation for two years, if we made it through without any issues an automatic bid would be awarded. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 12:26:56 AM
Yeah -- I actually do think the SAA should get one this year, but I firmly believe the MASCAC should not.

By the way, I'll be spending my Halloween in Mount Berry and my All Saints' Day in Conway ... get me some good games, alright?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 12:28:49 AM
Where the difference lies with the SAA is that the conference only needed to be in existence for two years (five or more schools with football by NCAA standards) and have seven football programs in the third year. It does not have to have seven teams for two years and then qualify in the third. That's where our preseason thinking was off.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 29, 2014, 12:42:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 12:26:56 AM
Yeah -- I actually do think the SAA should get one this year, but I firmly believe the MASCAC should not.

By the way, I'll be spending my Halloween in Mount Berry and my All Saints' Day in Conway ... get me some good games, alright?
Welcome to the South.

Two more campuses, and possibly more than 2 more schools?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 12:43:32 PM
Yep, this will be two new stadiums and three new schools. Millsaps is the only one of the four I've seen before.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 29, 2014, 04:14:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 12:43:32 PM
Yep, this will be two new stadiums and three new schools. Millsaps is the only one of the four I've seen before.
Didn't you come to a Battle in the Bayou between Mississippi College and Millsaps once about 10 years ago?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: hasanova on October 29, 2014, 05:10:23 PM
Pat, where will you be on November 8?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 10:29:44 PM
I looked at making the trip to HSC but I felt like if I traveled back-to-back weeks, then had Selection Sunday, then basketball overlapping with playoffs that I might run myself too far down. I have to protect my sanity a bit, too.

If it had been at Guilford, I would have been more inclined, because that's a stadium I haven't seen a game in yet.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: hasanova on October 30, 2014, 11:52:53 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 10:29:44 PM
I looked at making the trip to HSC but I felt like if I traveled back-to-back weeks, then had Selection Sunday, then basketball overlapping with playoffs that I might run myself too far down. I have to protect my sanity a bit, too.

If it had been at Guilford, I would have been more inclined, because that's a stadium I haven't seen a game in yet.
I certainly understand.  In the last month, I have been to Savannah, Dallas, Cleveland and Monterrey, Mexico!  I knew the GC at HSC game would be on your radar, but also knew there were other games on a regional and national level.  I wish the game was at GC for a variety of reasons!  lol  I do hope you get a chance to visit Guilford for a game ... as I'm positive you're aware, the Quakers host your alma mater this weekend.  Guilford has many players that are Juniors this fall, so I do hope you can see Matt Pawlowski, Adam Smith, Tyler Hunt and others play before they finish their eligibility in 2015.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2014, 06:14:47 PM
So, after much prodding from Dave McHugh, the folks in Indy finally determined today that neither the SAA nor the MASCAC have an AQ in 2014. The reason why the SAA clock didn't start in 2012 when they had five teams, the NCAA said, was because the five is only relevant for a conference that had an automatic bid and lost it because of membership changes. So the SAA needs to have two years with seven teams first, and then will get an AQ in 2015.

Not how I thought it would go down after I rethought it the past few weeks, but it is what I was thinking in July and August so ... yeah, there's that. So I have 24 AQs, 2 B's and 6 C's.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2014, 06:41:34 PM
Thanks. Now we can have a Pool B watch that is accurate.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on November 05, 2014, 06:52:13 PM
Regional Rankings:

1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0 8-0
2 Wesley 5-0 9-0
3 Johns Hopkins 8-0 8-0
4 Washington & Jefferson 8-0 8-0
T5 Texas Lutheran 6-1 7-1
T5 Centre 8-0 8-0
7 Muhlenberg 7-1 7-1
8 Thomas More 7-2 7-2
9 Hampden-Sydney 6-2 6-2
10 Hardin-Simmons 3-2 5-2

Centre has a fairly low strength of schedule that won't get much better the final two weeks, so they may be locked in behind TLU, if both teams win out. ... Muhlenberg being so far down leaves it unlikely the Centennial will get two teams in.

Is it possible that Centre doesn't make the Playoffs if they win out?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 05, 2014, 07:01:00 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on November 05, 2014, 06:52:13 PM
Regional Rankings:

1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0 8-0
2 Wesley 5-0 9-0
3 Johns Hopkins 8-0 8-0
4 Washington & Jefferson 8-0 8-0
T5 Texas Lutheran 6-1 7-1
T5 Centre 8-0 8-0
7 Muhlenberg 7-1 7-1
8 Thomas More 7-2 7-2
9 Hampden-Sydney 6-2 6-2
10 Hardin-Simmons 3-2 5-2

Centre has a fairly low strength of schedule that won't get much better the final two weeks, so they may be locked in behind TLU, if both teams win out. ... Muhlenberg being so far down leaves it unlikely the Centennial will get two teams in.

Is it possible that Centre doesn't make the Playoffs if they win out?

Seems plausible. I was very surprised to see TLU's position. But, they have a respectable SOS.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2014, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: Just A Guy on November 05, 2014, 06:52:13 PM
Is it possible that Centre doesn't make the Playoffs if they win out?

In my opinion, no. No unbeaten team has been left home in the expanded playoffs era, regardless of strength of schedule.

(Obvious NESCAC caveat.)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on November 06, 2014, 05:08:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2014, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: Just A Guy on November 05, 2014, 06:52:13 PM
Is it possible that Centre doesn't make the Playoffs if they win out?

In my opinion, no. No unbeaten team has been left home in the expanded playoffs era, regardless of strength of schedule.

(Obvious NESCAC caveat.)

Thank you Pat.....
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 10, 2014, 08:59:49 PM
Article today on deadspin.com about Sewanee's football program:
http://deadspin.com/the-future-of-college-football-is-the-university-of-1651204084

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 11, 2014, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on November 10, 2014, 08:59:49 PM
Article today on deadspin.com about Sewanee's football program:
http://deadspin.com/the-future-of-college-football-is-the-university-of-1651204084

Great article.  It reminds me why I'm a fan of DIII football.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 09:41:26 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2014, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: Just A Guy on November 05, 2014, 06:52:13 PM
Is it possible that Centre doesn't make the Playoffs if they win out?

In my opinion, no. No unbeaten team has been left home in the expanded playoffs era, regardless of strength of schedule.

(Obvious NESCAC caveat.)

Now what do you think, Pat??  I can't fathom a 10-0 team staying home but looks like this year may shake out to be that way.  ALOT can change between now and Sunday afternoon but if things hold true to what Greg is projecting on the front page..
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 09:43:27 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 09:41:26 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2014, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: Just A Guy on November 05, 2014, 06:52:13 PM
Is it possible that Centre doesn't make the Playoffs if they win out?

In my opinion, no. No unbeaten team has been left home in the expanded playoffs era, regardless of strength of schedule.

(Obvious NESCAC caveat.)

Now what do you think, Pat??  I can't fathom a 10-0 team staying home but looks like this year may shake out to be that way.  ALOT can change between now and Sunday afternoon but if things hold true to what Greg is projecting on the front page..

I just posted on this in the Pool C area. It is really irritating me.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 09:43:27 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 09:41:26 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2014, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: Just A Guy on November 05, 2014, 06:52:13 PM
Is it possible that Centre doesn't make the Playoffs if they win out?

In my opinion, no. No unbeaten team has been left home in the expanded playoffs era, regardless of strength of schedule.

(Obvious NESCAC caveat.)

Now what do you think, Pat??  I can't fathom a 10-0 team staying home but looks like this year may shake out to be that way.  ALOT can change between now and Sunday afternoon but if things hold true to what Greg is projecting on the front page..

I just posted on this in the Pool C area. It is really irritating me.

Yeah, seems like the RAC in the South has gone out of their way to move Centre behind the Mules this week, I guess to prove a point about TLU being the 2nd Pool B team?  I got nothing logical on this front.  I thought they were a lock for the 2nd Pool B slot at 10-0.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 09:53:24 AM
I would have assumed so too. I don't get it. Fine, TLU has probably played a better schedule excluding UMHB and you want to reward them for scheduling UMHB. I somewhat see the point, even if I don't agree. But the CC is not the ASC (which TLU essentially played). JHU is not UMHB. And Muhlenberg didn't volunteer to play JHU, they are conference games. Short of blowing up their whole athletic affiliation they HAD to play JHU. Why reward them over an undefeated team?

Plus I just feel bad for Centre. It's not like they purposely scheduled garbage teams, they just got shafted in the non-conf games they did schedule didn't pan out. Ridiculous. Let's punish Centre because they didn't have a good crystal ball and they are a year away from having an AQ.

The more I think about it I've moved beyond irritated. Surprising since I have no affiliation with Centre other than they are a W&L rival (and W&L failed them miserably this year).
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2014, 09:57:38 AM
I'd be more inclined to rank TLU over Centre if their result against UMHB wasn't a 56-point loss.   Yes, I do know how hard it is to play in Belton and get a decent result, having see my alma mater lose by 42 there last year ... but said alma mater was a .500 team, not one in the playoff mix.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2014, 09:57:38 AM
I'd be more inclined to rank TLU over Centre if their result against UMHB wasn't a 56-point loss.   Yes, I do know how hard it is to play in Belton and get a decent result, having see my alma mater lose by 42 there last year ... but said alma mater was a .500 team, not one in the playoff mix.

Oh I agree. I think TLU ahead of Centre is also stupid. Plus the game wasn't in Belton. It was at TLU. But at least you can make a case for TLU, especially with HSU sneaking into the rankings. But I can't come up with a legitimate case for rewarding Muhlenberg over Centre.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 10:40:30 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2014, 09:57:38 AM
I'd be more inclined to rank TLU over Centre if their result against UMHB wasn't a 56-point loss.   Yes, I do know how hard it is to play in Belton and get a decent result, having see my alma mater lose by 42 there last year ... but said alma mater was a .500 team, not one in the playoff mix.

THIS.  This is my point about TLU -- a team that loses by 56 to ANYONE should not be considered over a team that (presumably) goes undefeated.  Centre should be ranked above them.  Period.  And to split the tie from last week by moving Muhlenberg up into the tie makes absolutely no sense with nothing significantly changing from last week. 

Undefeated against any schedule is not as easy as teams like Mount Union makes it look to be. 

I'm not a Centre College supporter, either.  Though I would love to see them replace Hanover on Thomas More's schedule in the future.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2014, 09:57:38 AM
I'd be more inclined to rank TLU over Centre if their result against UMHB wasn't a 56-point loss.   Yes, I do know how hard it is to play in Belton and get a decent result, having see my alma mater lose by 42 there last year ... but said alma mater was a .500 team, not one in the playoff mix.

Oh I agree. I think TLU ahead of Centre is also stupid. Plus the game wasn't in Belton. It was at TLU. But at least you can make a case for TLU, especially with HSU sneaking into the rankings. But I can't come up with a legitimate case for rewarding Muhlenberg over Centre.

I assumed the game was in Belton with how bad the result was for TLU. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 10:48:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2014, 09:57:38 AM
I'd be more inclined to rank TLU over Centre if their result against UMHB wasn't a 56-point loss.   Yes, I do know how hard it is to play in Belton and get a decent result, having see my alma mater lose by 42 there last year ... but said alma mater was a .500 team, not one in the playoff mix.

Oh I agree. I think TLU ahead of Centre is also stupid. Plus the game wasn't in Belton. It was at TLU. But at least you can make a case for TLU, especially with HSU sneaking into the rankings. But I can't come up with a legitimate case for rewarding Muhlenberg over Centre.

I assumed the game was in Belton with how bad the result was for TLU.

No. TLU just got taken to the woodshed. Granted Kean and HPU were buried just as bad or worse by UMHB, but those games were in Belton and those teams are under .500. TLU got absolutely creamed at home. We know their ceiling. We don't know an undefeated Centre's. For that reason alone I'd like to see an undefeated Centre make the playoffs and figure it out.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 13, 2014, 11:00:50 AM
I would have to chime in and in my thinking I would agree. Just a point here but if your going to tell a Undefeated team (at least at the time of this post) that they are not good enough, then why should they compete at all? Sorry but in my mind (as twisted as it is) TLU is having difficulties in handling many of their games that they should not be having difficulty with, if your going by that measure than it would seem to me that Centre should be rewarded for their season if they hold as undefeated, otherwise what is the point, why even walk on a field? why waste the time...?
Sure some may say weight of schedule, Yeah. like College of Faith is a feat... next time maybe schedule a high school JV team to play...Or just put blocking dummies on the field, they play better than College of Fake...but it was a huge points mark up right??? looked good for the team that played that joke...

Centre should get the position if they go undefeated...

Sidenote HPU was played in Brownsville and not at the Cruthedral, and last year they lost by just as much or close to it.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
Quote from: Morrgen on November 13, 2014, 11:00:50 AM

Sure some may say weight of schedule, Yeah. like College of Faith is a feat

Sidenote HPU was played in Brownsville and not at the Cruthedral, and last year they lost by just as much or close to it.

My bad on HPU. I actually checked the d3football.com schedule page and still got it wrong! As for Wesley and COF, it is what it is. Wesley had scheduling difficulties when they could offer home and home games, when they couldn't even do that since they are joining the NJAC next year it became an almost impossible task. It won't happen again with them joining the NJAC and I don't think anyone with any background in D3 football looked on that win as anything but a glorified scrimmage.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2014, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2014, 09:57:38 AM
I'd be more inclined to rank TLU over Centre if their result against UMHB wasn't a 56-point loss.   Yes, I do know how hard it is to play in Belton and get a decent result, having see my alma mater lose by 42 there last year ... but said alma mater was a .500 team, not one in the playoff mix.

Oh I agree. I think TLU ahead of Centre is also stupid. Plus the game wasn't in Belton. It was at TLU. But at least you can make a case for TLU, especially with HSU sneaking into the rankings. But I can't come up with a legitimate case for rewarding Muhlenberg over Centre.

I assumed the game was in Belton with how bad the result was for TLU.
Actually a home game in Belton might have permitted the coach to go deeper into the depth chart sooner.

Also, I will not ignore the possibility that this game was a "statement" game by UMHB towards up-and-coming  TLU.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2014, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2014, 09:57:38 AM
I'd be more inclined to rank TLU over Centre if their result against UMHB wasn't a 56-point loss.   Yes, I do know how hard it is to play in Belton and get a decent result, having see my alma mater lose by 42 there last year ... but said alma mater was a .500 team, not one in the playoff mix.

Oh I agree. I think TLU ahead of Centre is also stupid. Plus the game wasn't in Belton. It was at TLU. But at least you can make a case for TLU, especially with HSU sneaking into the rankings. But I can't come up with a legitimate case for rewarding Muhlenberg over Centre.

I assumed the game was in Belton with how bad the result was for TLU.
Actually a home game in Belton might have permitted the coach to go deeper into the depth chart sooner.

Also, I will not ignore the possibility that this game was a "statement" game by UMHB towards up-and-coming  TLU.

True. But none of that changes the fact that we know TLU's ceiling. I don't really think Centre's ceiling is much if any higher, but I'd like Centre, if they earn it by going undefeated, to get a chance to find out. The tournament is meant to be inclusive. Leaving out an almost AQ undefeated champion on an argument over SOS just seems incredibly wrong to me.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 13, 2014, 11:32:57 AM
My laying down the College of fake was just to make a point that if they tell a program that goes undefeated that they can't advance because of their scheduled games, well we can point to others.. Not to slight Wesley, I believe Wesley can and will (Out on my limb here) defeat MU, it is a great program. If Centre goes undefeated then they should receive a post season slot otherwise what is the point of competing...? In my twisted mind TLU, although a good program is not as dominant as they should be, having trouble with teams they should devour, and a silly WTF moment with LC that ended that game and a win over ETBU that I believe ETBU game up in that game. If the "good enough" criteria is applied then HSU in my mind has just as much right then, sure they lost two games but hey they are overall a tougher team, took on #2 ranked and gave them a 1st half wake up call.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 02:08:39 PM
I don't think UMHB was trying to make a statement.  I guess they could have been, but the coaches took their foot off the gas very early in the 3rd Quarter. 

They could have really blown the doors off TLU in this one:

*UMHB played 65 kids that day in Seguin. 
*UMHB had a punt return TD in the 3rd Quarter
*UMHB had a INT return TD in the 4th Quarter
*UMHB didn't score after the 2nd play of the 4th Quarter
*UMHB only had 129 yards of offense in the 2nd half. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 13, 2014, 02:54:25 PM
Probably one of only a few posts on football this year.....hope that Centre comes through Saturday with its 10th win and somehow gets into the playoffs.  If they get in, would they be thrown to the wolves in the opening round - Mt. Union?
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 13, 2014, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 13, 2014, 02:54:25 PM
Probably one of only a few posts on football this year.....hope that Centre comes through Saturday with its 10th win and somehow gets into the playoffs.  If they get in, would they be thrown to the wolves in the opening round - Mt. Union?

I really hope they get selected, too.  They deserve it in my eyes.  And yes, if they make it, chances are they will travel and face a pretty tough opponent.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 13, 2014, 02:54:25 PM
Probably one of only a few posts on football this year.....hope that Centre comes through Saturday with its 10th win and somehow gets into the playoffs.  If they get in, would they be thrown to the wolves in the opening round - Mt. Union?

If they get in, probably not. Where they would go would be anyone's guess at this point since Centre is within 500 miles of a lot of schools. It seems unlikely they would host with so many other undefeated teams around with stronger resumes, but that is also possible. If they get in I would expect them to be the equivalent of a 5 or 6 seed in an 8 team bracket or about a 3 seed in a 4 team pod. Not really UMU territory. More like the second tier teams.

Someone like John Carrol, W&J or Wheaton.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on November 13, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on November 13, 2014, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 13, 2014, 02:54:25 PM
Probably one of only a few posts on football this year.....hope that Centre comes through Saturday with its 10th win and somehow gets into the playoffs.  If they get in, would they be thrown to the wolves in the opening round - Mt. Union?

I really hope they get selected, too.  They deserve it in my eyes.  And yes, if they make it, chances are they will travel and face a pretty tough opponent.

I want to thank you for the support of our Colonels.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on November 13, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on November 13, 2014, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 13, 2014, 02:54:25 PM
Probably one of only a few posts on football this year.....hope that Centre comes through Saturday with its 10th win and somehow gets into the playoffs.  If they get in, would they be thrown to the wolves in the opening round - Mt. Union?

I really hope they get selected, too.  They deserve it in my eyes.  And yes, if they make it, chances are they will travel and face a pretty tough opponent.

I want to thank you for the support of our Colonels.

I think most of us don't want to see a 10-0 team left out of the playoffs. Given how it is turning out, I wish my Generals had done more to help their SOS instead of dropping it through the floor. Of course I really wish my Generals had won that game... or any of a lot of other ones they couldn't pull out at the end.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Just A Guy on November 13, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on November 13, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on November 13, 2014, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 13, 2014, 02:54:25 PM
Probably one of only a few posts on football this year.....hope that Centre comes through Saturday with its 10th win and somehow gets into the playoffs.  If they get in, would they be thrown to the wolves in the opening round - Mt. Union?

I really hope they get selected, too.  They deserve it in my eyes.  And yes, if they make it, chances are they will travel and face a pretty tough opponent.

I want to thank you for the support of our Colonels.

I think most of us don't want to see a 10-0 team left out of the playoffs. Given how it is turning out, I wish my Generals had done more to help their SOS instead of dropping it through the floor. Of course I really wish my Generals had won that game... or any of a lot of other ones they couldn't pull out at the end.

I understand the whole SOS thing, but c'mon....We lost our AQ a couple weeks ago and now talk of not making the playoffs with a perfect record..
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 03:35:20 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on November 13, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 13, 2014, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: Just A Guy on November 13, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on November 13, 2014, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 13, 2014, 02:54:25 PM
Probably one of only a few posts on football this year.....hope that Centre comes through Saturday with its 10th win and somehow gets into the playoffs.  If they get in, would they be thrown to the wolves in the opening round - Mt. Union?

I really hope they get selected, too.  They deserve it in my eyes.  And yes, if they make it, chances are they will travel and face a pretty tough opponent.

I want to thank you for the support of our Colonels.

I think most of us don't want to see a 10-0 team left out of the playoffs. Given how it is turning out, I wish my Generals had done more to help their SOS instead of dropping it through the floor. Of course I really wish my Generals had won that game... or any of a lot of other ones they couldn't pull out at the end.

I understand the whole SOS thing, but c'mon....We lost our AQ a couple weeks ago and now talk of not making the playoffs with a perfect record..

Well... to be fair you never had an AQ. Part of the decision to jettison the SCAC. But yeah, perfect record I believe you should be in. Not having the AQ is a technicality that common sense should fix.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 13, 2014, 05:46:45 PM
Go Colonels!  Get it done in Birmingham regardless.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: msbrownny on November 14, 2014, 08:38:20 AM
We are assuming that the committee will use common sense and that is just not a safe bet. Just like assuming they knew the rules about the AQ prior to Oct. 31st was also a bad call. What is sad is that the young men of the Centre College football team that this will affect had nothing to do with the decision to leave an established conference, nor did they have anything to do with the lack of understanding the NCAA has for its own rules. So for them to be overlooked (if no when they go 10-0) because of politics and the committee's own negligence would be disheartening. So clearly I am invested in Centre football. #PEV #9-0
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 14, 2014, 08:40:27 AM
Other than some Framingham St. and TLU people, most of the D3 universe probably agrees with you. Hopefully it will work itself out. But the most important thing is Centre needs to win this weekend. I wish I could get to the game, since it is in town, but we have two birthday parties and trip to get ready for. It's been that kind of fall. I only made 2 D3 games this year. Disappointing.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: msbrownny on November 14, 2014, 08:46:54 AM
Yeah, seems like the RAC in the South has gone out of their way to move Centre behind the Mules this week, I guess to prove a point about TLU being the 2nd Pool B team?  I got nothing logical on this front.  I thought they were a lock for the 2nd Pool B slot at 10-0.
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I was looking at this and was shocked. Not only is Centre behind TLU who lost at home by 56 points, but they are now behind the Mules, it seems like Centre is being punished for leaving an established conference. So we will wait and see what happens on Sunday and see if in the modern era Centre will be the first undefeated team to be snubbed. So Saturday is a must win in Birmingham and then the rest is in the committee's hands. When you've done all that you can do you just stand.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 14, 2014, 08:54:10 AM
Quote from: msbrownny on November 14, 2014, 08:46:54 AM
I was looking at this and was shocked. Not only is Centre behind TLU who lost at home by 56 points, but they are now behind the Mules, it seems like Centre is being punished for leaving an established conference. So we will wait and see what happens on Sunday and see if in the modern era Centre will be the first undefeated team to be snubbed. So Saturday is a must win in Birmingham and then the rest is in the committee's hands. When you've done all that you can do you just stand.

Centre is being punished, quite honestly, because their schedule is full of really bad teams. The OOC schedule, the only thing the Colonels have control over, absolutely flopped. My W&L team has been flat out bad, Hanover was unexpectedly poor, and Wash U wasn't up to their usual standards. So all three games, which typically would feature teams at .500 or well above, simply don't. Then the SAA fell down. Only Rhodes looks remotely like a good team, and they lost to the only really good non-conf team they played, Chicago.

So Centre is being punished for things that were out of their control, unfortunately. I hope it works out for the Colonels, but they are a case study in what happens when your opponents are all terrible in the same year. No one knows if you are any good, regardless of how many wins you string together. Still, next year it won't matter, so I desperately hope common sense prevails.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2014, 09:18:06 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 14, 2014, 08:54:10 AM
Quote from: msbrownny on November 14, 2014, 08:46:54 AM
I was looking at this and was shocked. Not only is Centre behind TLU who lost at home by 56 points, but they are now behind the Mules, it seems like Centre is being punished for leaving an established conference. So we will wait and see what happens on Sunday and see if in the modern era Centre will be the first undefeated team to be snubbed. So Saturday is a must win in Birmingham and then the rest is in the committee's hands. When you've done all that you can do you just stand.

Centre is being punished, quite honestly, because their schedule is full of really bad teams. The OOC schedule, the only thing the Colonels have control over, absolutely flopped. My W&L team has been flat out bad, Hanover was unexpectedly poor, and Wash U wasn't up to their usual standards. So all three games, which typically would feature teams at .500 or well above, simply don't. Then the SAA fell down. Only Rhodes looks remotely like a good team, and they lost to the only really good non-conf team they played, Chicago.

So Centre is being punished for things that were out of their control, unfortunately. I hope it works out for the Colonels, but they are a case study in what happens when your opponents are all terrible in the same year. No one knows if you are any good, regardless of how many wins you string together. Still, next year it won't matter, so I desperately hope common sense prevails.

I'm with jknezek here -- its the schedule and not the fact they left a certain conference.  Centre leaving the SCAC behind actually helped TLU in my opinoin, allowing them to move away from the ASC schedule that was killing the program. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
The question is should TLU's one good win (vs regionally ranked HSU) overcome the stinking pile they dropped at home vs UMHB.     If you look at the rest of their season, they have other wins of a TD or less against underwhelming foes (.500 ish Lousiana College and East Texas Baptist, 3-6 Trinity, the latter two at home) with most of their big margins coming early in the season against mediocre teams (winless Sul Ross, .500 ish Howard Payne, NAIA SAGU that lost to HPU and Austin among others).    When you look at the entire body of work, the HSU result looks more like an outlier and less indicative of the season as a whole.

My hope for Centre is that enough of the pool B/C candidates above them get upset so this won't be a problem, because assuming they win on Saturday, they've earned a playoff bid.   My real hope is that the committee figures out how to do their job between now and selection Sunday, but that may be too much to ask.

Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 14, 2014, 04:01:34 PM
Folks, I've made this point repeatedly in the Pool C thread (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8234.msg1626998#msg1626998), and I'll do so again: if you remove UMHB from TLU's SOS calculation, Centre's SOS will end up slightly HIGHER than TLU's. Their SOS is being propped up by the wins of a team that BEAT them.

Why should TLU get an advantage over an undefeated team because of a stat that doesn't reflect WHO THEY BEAT, when Centre's SOS is propped up by nobody because they NEVER LOST?  I thought "who you beat" is the generally prevailing thought as to what matters most.

My opinion is that Rhodes is better than Hardin-Simmons anyway. H-S's SOS might look good (ranked 48 to the 103 of Rhodes). But they only have six D3 games to go by so far. And here's the killer: if their game against Southwestern hadn't been cancelled (not sure why it was), their SOS would be SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER than Rhodes' SOS. They'd drop to the neighborhood of .481 -or 153rd place. It just goes to show you how fragile these numbers are.

Then, guess what? It should then be extremely difficult to justify a #10 RR ranking by the RC (which includes TLU's coach). Next likely candidates for #10 would be Emory & Henry or Rhodes. And say goodbye to TLU's RR win. (Seemed like quite a sham to have a win over a RR#10, vs an estimated #11-13, that pushed an undefeated team out of the picture).

They say figures lie and liars figure, right? Then just let common sense prevail. What does the eyeball test tell you (as C.M. Newton used to say when heading the March Madness basketball committee)? All these false numbers do is provide PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY of the "Texas politics" taking place on the South RC. Only a small regional committee, containing members who are DIRECTLY impacted by all the nuances of where each team is ranked, would have the chutzpah to create this situation.

It's been pointed out a few times in these forums by D3 moderators that this is the only time EVER where an undefeated team might slip to Pool C.  This may never happen again.

Allow me to put this in a very important and distinct light:

One of the primary comparison criteria, Strength of Schedule, HAS NEVER BEEN USED to compare a Pool C team that was undefeated with one that had losses. This sets a precedent that cannot be denied and SHOULD ALLOW either the RC or National Committee to then dissect the SOS calculation, while keeping true to it's spirit, but make it RELEVANT to this situation.

I only hope the NCAA National Committee demonstrates integrity in this process and right's the wrong of the Regional Committee. Said many times in these forums, this NCAA and it's  tournament stand for INCLUSIVENESS. I hope that proves to be true for the young men who have walked off the field victors each and every time this year.

Decades of tradition will have the Praying Colonels together Sunday evening for milk and cookies. They'd break up into groups, talk and watch films during the season. This time they'll stay together as a team and watch as the tournament brackets are unveiled. What a shame it would be, for in this room, to have the season's only defeat- one in which the young men had absolutely no power to influence. In my heart I do not believe the NCAA wants or will allow this to happen.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 14, 2014, 04:40:01 PM
Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 14, 2014, 04:01:34 PM
Folks, I've made this point repeatedly in the Pool C thread (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8234.msg1626998#msg1626998), and I'll do so again: if you remove UMHB from TLU's SOS calculation, Centre's SOS will end up slightly HIGHER than TLU's. Their SOS is being propped up by the wins of a team that BEAT them.

You don't get to cherry pick which parts of the schedule count and which parts don't.  That's not how the game is played. 

Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 14, 2014, 04:01:34 PM
Why should TLU get an advantage over an undefeated team because of a stat that doesn't reflect WHO THEY BEAT, when Centre's SOS is propped up by nobody because they NEVER LOST?  I thought "who you beat" is the generally prevailing thought as to what matters most.

I don't think TLU's advantage over Centre is the SOS only.  I think that's part of it, but the bigger part (IMO) is that they have an RRO win.  And that's the "who you beat" part of it for TLU. 

Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 14, 2014, 04:01:34 PM
My opinion is that Rhodes is better than Hardin-Simmons anyway. H-S's SOS might look good (ranked 48 to the 103 of Rhodes). But they only have six D3 games to go by so far. And here's the killer: if their game against Southwestern hadn't been cancelled (not sure why it was), their SOS would be SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER than Rhodes' SOS. They'd drop to the neighborhood of .481 -or 153rd place. It just goes to show you how fragile these numbers are.

I'm interested in that math.  I'm not sure that's right....I don't think Southwestern alone can scrub over 0.06 points out of HSUs SOS.  You are right though in the abstract- that not playing Southwestern helps HSU's SOS.  It's not a good metric, no doubt. 

Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 14, 2014, 04:01:34 PM
Then, guess what? It should then be extremely difficult to justify a #10 RR ranking by the RC (which includes TLU's coach). Next likely candidates for #10 would be Emory & Henry or Rhodes. And say goodbye to TLU's RR win. (Seemed like quite a sham to have a win over a RR#10, vs an estimated #11-13, that pushed an undefeated team out of the picture).

This is where I think there is an interesting conversation to be had.  Why HSU and not E&H or Rhodes?   I looked for common opponents and there aren't any, so that's not it.  I don't see a lot about Hardin-Simmons that makes them stand out from Rhodes or E&H aside from those SOS figures that are accepted without context.   The one thing I admittedly don't know anything about are the two non-division opponents that HSU played.  If those are quality teams, then HSU may have scored some points in the secondary criteria. 

Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 14, 2014, 04:01:34 PM
They say figures lie and liars figure, right? Then just let common sense prevail. What does the eyeball test tell you (as C.M. Newton used to say when heading the March Madness basketball committee)? All these false numbers do is provide PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY of the "Texas politics" taking place on the South RC. Only a small regional committee, containing members who are DIRECTLY impacted by all the nuances of where each team is ranked, would have the chutzpah to create this situation.

And then this thing goes off the rails a bit.  Just a couple of more thoughts on this:
- Centre hasn't slipped to Pool C and Centre hasn't been left out of the tournament yet.  Centre also isn't 10-0 yet.  The way things got ordered this week maybe sets the table for some precedent-making things, but we should probably let the thing play out before going this kind of bonkers. 
- Juicy as the Great Texas Playoff Conspiracy is, I think you do the folks who work on these committees a pretty severe disservice by accusing them of stacking the deck.  It's one thing for us to look at those rankings and disagree or even say "hey, I think they got this wrong".  It's another to say they rigged it.  That kind of thing probably needs proof. 

Ultimately here, I agree with you.  Centre (and anybody else who runs the table) deserves to keep playing until they lose.  I think it would be a shame if they didn't get that chance. But I'm still hopeful, maybe even a little optimistic, that they will. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 14, 2014, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 14, 2014, 04:40:01 PM
Ultimately here, I agree with you.  Centre (and anybody else who runs the table) deserves to keep playing until they lose.  I think it would be a shame if they didn't get that chance. But I'm still hopeful, maybe even a little optimistic, that they will.

Wally. Thanks very much for the response and for considering my thoughts. I went ahead and responded, but in the Pool C forum

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8234.630
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Tekken on November 14, 2014, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 14, 2014, 08:54:10 AM


Centre is being punished, quite honestly, because their schedule is full of really bad teams. The OOC schedule, the only thing the Colonels have control over, absolutely flopped. My W&L team has been flat out bad, Hanover was unexpectedly poor, and Wash U wasn't up to their usual standards. So all three games, which typically would feature teams at .500 or well above, simply don't. Then the SAA fell down. Only Rhodes looks remotely like a good team, and they lost to the only really good non-conf team they played, Chicago.

So Centre is being punished for things that were out of their control, unfortunately. I hope it works out for the Colonels, but they are a case study in what happens when your opponents are all terrible in the same year. No one knows if you are any good, regardless of how many wins you string together. Still, next year it won't matter, so I desperately hope common sense prevails.

THIS.  And it doesn't matter why.  Perfect storms are called perfect storms for a reason.  Much can change with a weeks worth of football left, but Centre stands dead center in a perfect storm right now. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 15, 2014, 06:54:22 AM
HSU/Southwestern was called because to weather.. 3 Lighting delays and they called the game at around midnight
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 15, 2014, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: timtlu on November 14, 2014, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 14, 2014, 08:54:10 AM


Centre is being punished, quite honestly, because their schedule is full of really bad teams. The OOC schedule, the only thing the Colonels have control over, absolutely flopped. My W&L team has been flat out bad, Hanover was unexpectedly poor, and Wash U wasn't up to their usual standards. So all three games, which typically would feature teams at .500 or well above, simply don't. Then the SAA fell down. Only Rhodes looks remotely like a good team, and they lost to the only really good non-conf team they played, Chicago.

So Centre is being punished for things that were out of their control, unfortunately. I hope it works out for the Colonels, but they are a case study in what happens when your opponents are all terrible in the same year. No one knows if you are any good, regardless of how many wins you string together. Still, next year it won't matter, so I desperately hope common sense prevails.

THIS.  And it doesn't matter why.  Perfect storms are called perfect storms for a reason.  Much can change with a weeks worth of football left, but Centre stands dead center in a perfect storm right now.

Funny, timmy, how the lack of ANY significant wins by TLU has turned the tables on the "scheduling" debate. Despite a series of out-of-character bad seasons by Centre's opponents, Centre did what they had to do- win every time they played. And they WON BIG with an average margin of victory of 25.6 points.

http://goo.gl/KSeVrj

Let's hope the TLU head coach takes some of your advice, which you've been so gracious to condescendingly give over and over and over again: schedule better. As evidenced this year with TLU where UMHB propped up TLU's SOS tremendously.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 15, 2014, 11:47:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2014, 09:38:03 AMMy real hope is that the committee figures out how to do their job between now and selection Sunday, but that may be too much to ask.
Amen

I think the Colonels made it all but impossible to let politics keep them home.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on November 16, 2014, 12:47:45 AM
Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 15, 2014, 11:47:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2014, 09:38:03 AMMy real hope is that the committee figures out how to do their job between now and selection Sunday, but that may be too much to ask.
Amen

I think the Colonels made it all but impossible to let politics keep them home.  ;D

I think such a relatively new poster should stop disparaging the integrity of some of the coaches on this committee.  I know Coach Dawson of Austin College very well and have even spoken to him about what a difficult job this selection committee has.  I also know Coach Danny Padron very well as his son was a quarterback for the Cru while my son was playing.  I also know him through the Texas High School Coaches Association. I find it offensive that someone thinks these two men are "playing the system" to gain an advantage.  It is very easy to cast aspersions about someone you have no knowledge about.

Did you listen to the D3 Bracketology show tonight that was listed on the front page of the D3Football site.  If you had, you might have a better idea of how incredibly difficult this job is and what tiny changes can make significant differences in the choices made.  In 2003, my son played for the Cru and stayed home with a 9-1 record.  I did some spouting off and was told by other posters to study the criteria and some history to see why it happened.  I did and am much the better for it.

There are many of us SCAC fans that are still a little bitter about the teams that left the SCAC to form a conference fully knowing what that would do to both conferences, but even with that bitterness, I can look at the criteria and recognize that Centre is a special situation that I cannot remember coming around before and still hope they get in. 

Whatever happens tomorrow, remember that the National Committee will have to agree or reverse any situation for Centre to get in and that if they don't, it won't be because of "politics".
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 01:41:32 AM
Quote from: roocru on November 16, 2014, 12:47:45 AM

Whatever happens tomorrow, remember that the National Committee will have to agree or reverse any situation for Centre to get in and that if they don't, it won't be because of "politics".
I clearly and decidedly disagree. If Centre didn't get into the tournament then the reason would be solely because of politics.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2014, 03:12:05 AM
You should have been listening to the show instead of posting so much. You might have learned something.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 16, 2014, 09:54:25 AM
Nice win to wrap up a 10-0 season for Centre.  I for one kind of think it would be cool to finish the season undefeated even if it's only 10-0. We'll see what Centre's fate is later today.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2014, 03:12:05 AM
You should have been listening to the show...
I listened to the show then replayed it. You and the guys did a great job. It's a complicated process with the travel budget limitations and all. I loved hearing you all reason through each pick. With your map tool and how quickly you rationalize the matchups, the NCAA should just let you run the show!

I learned a lot. Thank you very much for all the time you put into this. :)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Colonel_U on November 16, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
Way to go Colonels! Woo hoo! We're all so proud of you. Lets hope the NCAA sees what we saw with you this year and gives you a chance to keep playing until somebody proves they're better! So excited.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on November 16, 2014, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 01:41:32 AM
Quote from: roocru on November 16, 2014, 12:47:45 AM

Whatever happens tomorrow, remember that the National Committee will have to agree or reverse any situation for Centre to get in and that if they don't, it won't be because of "politics".
I clearly and decidedly disagree. If Centre didn't get into the tournament then the reason would be solely because of politics.

Since you even fail to acknowledge the comments I made about the respect I have for my friends and comrades in SCAC coaching ranks and continue to call them liars and cheats, I am done with any further correspondence with you regarding this issue. I will leave it to others to hopefully show you the way out of your ignorance and callousness about people you do not even know! 

Good luck today to Centre even if they are represented by people such as you!  Roocru out!!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wesleydad on November 16, 2014, 03:02:05 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 16, 2014, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 01:41:32 AM
Quote from: roocru on November 16, 2014, 12:47:45 AM

Whatever happens tomorrow, remember that the National Committee will have to agree or reverse any situation for Centre to get in and that if they don't, it won't be because of "politics".
I clearly and decidedly disagree. If Centre didn't get into the tournament then the reason would be solely because of politics.

Since you even fail to acknowledge the comments I made about the respect I have for my friends and comrades in SCAC coaching ranks and continue to call them liars and cheats, I am done with any further correspondence with you regarding this issue. I will leave it to others to hopefully show you the way out of your ignorance and callousness about people you do not even know! 

Good luck today to Centre even if they are represented by people such as you!  Roocru out!!

I have to agree with Roocru here.  Although it is totally plausible that politics is involved I too find it unlikely that someone would put their reputation on the line in this situation.  I also know Roo and find him to be one of the most respectable people I have met on D3.  He is extremely level headed and has, as he has stated, plenty of coaching knowledge and understandings as to how the process works.  I trust his belief in his friends integrity and that they will do the right thing for all involved.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Colonel_U on November 16, 2014, 05:18:37 PM
C'mon guys. Let's try to keep this positive. I read what Parent said. My filter works a little better than his (sorry D3AP). But he's just voicing the same frustrations many of us Centre-folk are feeling and saying a little more forcefully what has either been intimated or questioned in several articles on the Division III website. "Our panel votes for Centre next, eliminating drama the same way we hope the national committee does after creating it unnecessarily this week."

The last few weeks have been an emotional roller coaster for our seniors, including my son. They're having a great season but facing the end of playing the game forever. Then within 10 days or so, they learned the team didn't automatically qualify to play, saw themselves ranked below other teams unexpectedly, then seeing that rank drop again a few days ago. It's tough on them going from a game decided on the field to one decided by the opinions, some of which don't make sense to many.

We hope the NCAA thinks our team worthy to play on like we do. But either way, our community is filled with wonderful people. And we're going to keep this positive and love on them all we can and celebrate an historic season.

Go Colonels!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 16, 2014, 05:20:54 PM
Quote from: Colonel_U on November 16, 2014, 05:18:37 PM
C'mon guys. Let's try to keep this positive. I read what Parent said. My filter works a little better than his (sorry D3AP). But he's just voicing the same frustrations many of us Centre-folk are feeling and saying a little more forcefully what has either been intimated or questioned in several articles on the Division III website. "Our panel votes for Centre next, eliminating drama the same way we hope the national committee does after creating it unnecessarily this week."

The last few weeks have been an emotional roller coaster for our seniors, including my son. They're having a great season but facing the end of playing the game forever. Then within 10 days or so, they learned the team didn't automatically qualify to play, saw themselves ranked below other teams unexpectedly, then seeing that rank drop again a few days ago. It's tough on them going from a game decided on the field to one decided by the opinions, some of which don't make sense to many.

We hope the NCAA thinks our team worthy to play on like we do. But either way, our community is filled with wonderful people. And we're going to keep this positive and love on them all we can and celebrate an historic season.

Go Colonels!

This... +K. Well put. It's a tough roller coaster and I think most of us believe the NCAA will do right by Centre. Or at least most of us are hoping they do. Good luck and congratulations on your son's season. Tournament bid or no, Centre went 10-0 and their are only a couple of teams who pulled that off this year.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 05:32:12 PM
I would like to see the contingent of Centre fans stick around after all this is said and done.  I know Pat would say the same. 
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Colonel_U on November 16, 2014, 05:50:39 PM
Thanks jk. There are so many nice folks on this website who possess a great enthusiasm for Division III sports and who are so willing to explain what seems to be a pretty complicated system. I had no idea all that's involved.

But as someone pointed out, thank goodness for the money passed down by the NCAA from the revenue-generating Division I tournaments. Otherwise Division III athletics wouldn't have the impact on so many young lives as it does today.

So if the organization/structure is lacking a bit, at least there's the money, right? OK, gotta run. I'm going to video chat with my boy! Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 16, 2014, 06:24:08 PM
Congrats Centre on getting into the D3 playoffs playing @ John Carroll.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Tekken on November 16, 2014, 06:35:51 PM
I don't think Parent is a bad apple, just way too emotionally consumed to realize how far a stretch he was making.  At least he was able to put together retorts (as flawed as they were) for the most part, as opposed to resorting to petty namecalling and yelling.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 16, 2014, 06:43:37 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 16, 2014, 06:24:08 PM
Congrats Centre on getting into the D3 playoffs playing @ John Carroll.

Agreed... congratulations.   

There's some tough teams in this part of the bracket.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 16, 2014, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: timtlu on November 16, 2014, 06:35:51 PM
I don't think Parent is a bad apple, just way too emotionally consumed to realize how far a stretch he was making.  At least he was able to put together retorts (as flawed as they were) for the most part, as opposed to resorting to petty namecalling and yelling.

Really? His numbers were fine. His arguments were fine. So were yours. Both of you just didn't realize that SOS is never a hard and fast guarantee of anything. Both of you just kept hammering at the same things time and again until it all became garbage. In the end, it all worked out as it should.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 07:51:12 PM
Quote from: timtlu on November 16, 2014, 06:35:51 PM
I don't think Parent is a bad apple, just way too emotionally consumed to realize how far a stretch he was making.  At least he was able to put together retorts (as flawed as they were) for the most part, as opposed to resorting to petty namecalling and yelling.

Tim(whimper), that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me... :'(. I love you man!

Sorry for the drama guys. There are still things I just don't understand about the evaluation metrics. I'll pick that up another time, if I'm allowed.

Tim, you're right that I'm emotional- too much for my own good. It's the torch I carry! lol But just so we're clear, I'm right and you're wrong.  ;D

Good luck and hope to talk soon. BEAT UMHB!!!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: ksclegal on November 16, 2014, 07:53:03 PM
Congrats to Centre for earning their berth in the playoffs. Now schedule TLU next year to avoid the drama that needlessly played out on this board.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Colonel_U on November 16, 2014, 08:06:00 PM
I get to buy at least one more general admission ticket! Early Christmas present.

Go Colonels!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wesleydad on November 16, 2014, 08:22:22 PM
Glad you guys got in.  10-0 is 10-0.  Good luck in the playoffs.  Enjoy it, not everyone gets to.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: ksclegal on November 16, 2014, 07:53:03 PM
Congrats to Centre for earning their berth in the playoffs. Now schedule TLU next year to avoid the drama that needlessly played out on this board.

Thomas More - it's a 2.5 hour drive instead of Texas.


Congrats to Centre - you got your work cut out up at John Carroll.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Colonel_U on November 16, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
Thank you sir. Good luck to Wesley!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Colonel_U on November 16, 2014, 08:41:36 PM
Thanks SaintsFan. It's a great opportunity right? Maybe we can play that game the third week of November next year.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Tekken on November 16, 2014, 09:09:01 PM
Second time I've seen this.  I guess you could call it drama.  And to think this whole time I thought we were actually discussing the merits of who actually deserved the Pool B bid.   Most of the back and forth last night was actually in clarifying numbers to see how much a difference there actually was in SoS between the two teams, and I thought in good spirit.  I actually reworked my numbers a couple of times based on the back and forth.  Seems a couple of you just feel that anyone who differs from your opinions are nuisances.  Speaking of those projections, I'd say I wasn't homering at all.


              Projection            Actual
TLU          .513 (92)          .510 (97)
Centre     .442 (208)         .440(213)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2014, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 05:32:12 PM
I would like to see the contingent of Centre fans stick around after all this is said and done.  I know Pat would say the same.

Agreed! Absolutely.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 09:48:46 PM
Quote from: timtlu on November 16, 2014, 09:09:01 PM
Second time I've seen this.  I guess you could call it drama.  And to think this whole time I thought we were actually discussing the merits of who actually deserved the Pool B bid.   Most of the back and forth last night was actually in clarifying numbers ... Speaking of those projections, I'd say I wasn't homering at all.
Tim - I have no idea what you're talking about. I just received an email request to access the spreadsheet I created. I'm not at a computer where I can share it. So I just attached it and emailed to you, along with a nice, friendly note.

Then I see this post. So I'm confused. I'll briefly summarize my note- Congratulations on first bid! These are exciting times. As I told my nephew who plays at Centre: You're not only among the 32 finalists out of 240 (?) or so D3 teams playing, but you're one of 8 best teams that were selected after the AQ. I also told him that there were several teams not invited who very well may be better than any of his opponents this year. So feel good about this.

And again, I wish TLU success not only against UMHB, but also in putting together a conference of 7-8 teams in Texas with an AQ and therefore less stress in scheduling and figuring out "the magic formula" that impresses the different committees each year.

No drama. I mean it from the heart. Life is good! Good luck!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Tekken on November 16, 2014, 09:55:40 PM
Homering response was to a lesser extent towards the drama RE Knezek and to a greater extent....  Sorry for confusion.  And yeah, don't know about the spreadsheet.  I tried to look at it by going back, but said I didn't have access.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 09:58:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2014, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 05:32:12 PM
I would like to see the contingent of Centre fans stick around after all this is said and done.  I know Pat would say the same.

Agreed! Absolutely.

Thanks Pat. If I haven't worn out my welcome, then I would like that.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: timtlu on November 16, 2014, 09:55:40 PM
Homering response was towards the drama RE Knezek.  Sorry for confusion.  And yeah, don't know about the spreadsheet.  I tried to look at it by going back, but said I didn't have access.
Oh-gotcha. Access issue probably caused when I moved to another Google Drive folder w/o permissions. Hopefully you got the email.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on November 16, 2014, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 09:48:46 PM
Quote from: timtlu on November 16, 2014, 09:09:01 PM
Second time I've seen this.  I guess you could call it drama.  And to think this whole time I thought we were actually discussing the merits of who actually deserved the Pool B bid.   Most of the back and forth last night was actually in clarifying numbers ... Speaking of those projections, I'd say I wasn't homering at all.
Tim - I have no idea what you're talking about. I just received an email request to access the spreadsheet I created. I'm not at a computer where I can share it. So I just attached it and emailed to you, along with a nice, friendly note.

Then I see this post. So I'm confused. I'll briefly summarize my note- Congratulations on first bid! These are exciting times. As I told my nephew who plays at Centre: You're not only among the 32 finalists out of 240 (?) or so D3 teams playing, but you're one of 8 best teams that were selected after the AQ. I also told him that there were several teams not invited who very well may be better than any of his opponents this year. So feel good about this.

And again, I wish TLU success not only against UMHB, but also in putting together a conference of 7-8 teams in Texas with an AQ and therefore less stress in scheduling and figuring out "the magic formula" that impresses the different committees each year.

No drama. I mean it from the heart. Life is good! Good luck!

Just to address part of this D3AP, the odds of a Texas D3 conference are not good, although I wish it would happen for multiple reasons. TLU basically just left the ASC and Austin College left about 5 years ago so there is no reason for them to come back.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Tekken on November 16, 2014, 10:08:37 PM
Yeah, the only real hope is for the SCAC and ASC to split the Texas/regional teams in half to accommodate both leagues an AQ.  However, there is no way that happens, they are too far away philisophically and in profile at this point.  The SCAC champ will be hoping for an AQ for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 10:29:01 PM
Quote from: timtlu on November 16, 2014, 10:08:37 PM
Yeah, the only real hope is for the SCAC and ASC to split the Texas/regional teams in half to accommodate both leagues an AQ.  However, there is no way that happens, they are too far away philisophically and in profile at this point.  The SCAC champ will be hoping for an AQ for the foreseeable future.
Ah...I understand. Bummer. So what you need, then is organic growth- schools adding football. I read a great article somewhere- not sure if I found the link from this site or where. But it was about D3 athletics and how colleges were touting their success in recruiting students by adding new sports. Football can bring in anywhere between 80-120 males alone. Lacrosse is a great one, and very popular these days too, where you can add 40 males/females and the program costs are negligible compared to the increased revenue- 40 students @ $40k each (or whatever tuition is).

Hendrix recently picked up football after a several decade hiatus. Oglethorpe is adding. Berry recently added. I guess the challenge is in getting the administration on board and then in integrating the student athletes into the student body successfully.

I know smed and Dave were talking about some of the potential candidates the other day. Hopefully you'll be able to find "like-minded" institutions sooner than later.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Tekken on November 16, 2014, 10:48:48 PM
Organic growth would sure be nice, but the writing on the wall doesn't look good.  My understanding is Centenary had immense enrollment problems this year, to the point of looking at overall sustainability.  I believe they are around or sub 500 total enrollment.  I believe it's a financial loss for Colorado, they would have to charter a flight for every single one of their away games.  U of D and Schreiner, possibly at some point.  Though U of D I believe had to cancel it's men's lacrosse season last year due to lack of interest; that's not very promising.  McMurry returning and Belhaven moving to the ASC, really hurts the SCAC.  The ASC now has much less incentive from an AQ angle to play nicely with the SCAC, as they would have if McM and Belhaven stood pat, leaving the ASC without an AQ as well.  The best bet for the region is probably two conferences, one with football schools, and one without, but again there are large philosophical differences between these schools that complicate that.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2014, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 10:29:01 PMOglethorpe is adding.

I have not seen anything to say this. I know there has been talk going back at least a decade but that's a long way from action.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 17, 2014, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2014, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 16, 2014, 10:29:01 PMOglethorpe is adding.
I have not seen anything to say this. I know there has been talk going back at least a decade but that's a long way from action.

I stand corrected. I was told they were supposed to add by an athletics admin from an SAA school (not Centre). Oglethorpe wanted in the SAA but didn't offer enough sports. I just checked with her and there's still hope for football, but no definite plans yet. They're more likely to add softball and/or field hockey first.

Sorry for jumping the gun.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 17, 2014, 11:25:14 PM
Sad news out of Jackson and Baton Rouge as former Millsaps QB Juan Joesph was shot to death outside of Baton Rouge nightclub on Sunday night.  Our thoughts and prayers go out to the Joesph family and the Millsaps community.

Article from today's Jackson newspaper:
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2014/11/17/juan-joseph-killed/19161789/
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2014, 12:09:13 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on November 17, 2014, 11:25:14 PM
Sad news out of Jackson and Baton Rouge as former Millsaps QB Juan Joesph was shot to death outside of Baton Rouge nightclub on Sunday night.  Our thoughts and prayers go out to the Joesph family and the Millsaps community.

Article from today's Jackson newspaper:
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2014/11/17/juan-joseph-killed/19161789/
NO!!!!!!!

Oh, I am so sorry!

My condolences!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2014, 12:11:45 AM
Wow! The Juan Joseph story took the wind of my post.

I hope that the Centre fans will migrate to the hoops and baseball boards.

The NCAA uses SOS in most sports, and SOS has much more validity in those sports where the "n" is larger!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 18, 2014, 08:53:00 AM
Joseph was one of those players who was the classic example of a D3 athlete.   He had the opportunity for a scholarship to play at a D1 HBCU but passed on that opportunity because of the better academics at Millsaps.    I think that's true of a lot of the students who participate at this level and esp. among the schools in the SAA.   



Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 18, 2014, 09:11:09 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2014, 12:11:45 AM

I hope that the Centre fans will migrate to the hoops and baseball boards.

The NCAA uses SOS in most sports, and SOS has much more validity in those sports where the "n" is larger!

I'll add my voice to Ralph's in his call to get the Centre folks to stay with us over in the other boards.     There's some of pretty entertaining basketball that goes on in our league and y'all look to be in the thick of things.   Looking forward to seeing the you folks come to the Mountain on 01/04.... always a good game.

Back to football,   it's hard for me to get a read on JCU.   They pretty much thumped everyone they played in conference except for Mount Union and looked to have played pretty well against the Mount.     And whomever wins this weekend will have a good chance of eventually having to take on Mount Union later in the bracket.      Tough draw....
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2014, 11:16:46 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on November 17, 2014, 11:25:14 PM
Sad news out of Jackson and Baton Rouge as former Millsaps QB Juan Joesph was shot to death outside of Baton Rouge nightclub on Sunday night.  Our thoughts and prayers go out to the Joesph family and the Millsaps community.

Article from today's Jackson newspaper:
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2014/11/17/juan-joseph-killed/19161789/

Awful news.  Just terrible to see a life cut so short.
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Colonel_U on November 19, 2014, 01:58:09 PM

This is what it's all about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kc7W9jtpg

The team's excitement on being announced is at 1:50. We're all so proud of our young men! Go Colonels!
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 19, 2014, 10:50:36 PM
Quote from: Colonel_U on November 19, 2014, 01:58:09 PM

This is what it's all about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kc7W9jtpg

The team's excitement on being announced is at 1:50. We're all so proud of our young men! Go Colonels!
That video is awesome ;D
Title: Re: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2014, 06:53:54 PM
Quote from: Colonel_U on November 19, 2014, 01:58:09 PM

This is what it's all about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kc7W9jtpg

The team's excitement on being announced is at 1:50. We're all so proud of our young men! Go Colonels!
Thanks.  +1!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 14, 2015, 07:23:00 PM
Well that certainly didn't last long...
http://saa-sports.com/information/Football_Chicago_-_Wash_U

Lot's of talk about this over on the SCAC thread.  So I thought I'd start a thread over here as well.

Chicago going a different route doesn't surprise me as they just didn't feel like a good fit.   Thought there was a chance of WashU sticking around for an extended period but they've always struck me as wanting to be associated with the UAA schools instead of the schools in our league.

So who replaces WashU and Chicago?   Berea is a possibility as a non-football member.   Doesn't appear to be any options amongst football schools here in the South unless the SAA goes raiding other conferences.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on June 15, 2015, 03:35:14 PM
I like adding Berea as the 9th member than bringing in a football school for 10, so the schedule are balanced with 10 all sports and 8 football. Also, good to help out school's moving to D3 and berea is a good fit for the SAA. No idea who  would be for the football addition to go with Berea. I guess you could see if any of the virginia D3 school's would want to jump but they probably don't want to deal with the travel. Yet, if they did you could add 3 of them to get to 12 all sports and 10 football + break off into 2 divisions to cut travel. The other option would be to work with the SCAC and  ASC to find football only homes for SCAC school's among the SAA and ASC. Of course, the simplest is to just add berea and  1 football playing school.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 15, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
I don't think you would find much interest amongst the ODAC schools for changing leagues.   Combination of some long-term rivalries and a very favorable travel situation.     

If you look at schools in the South in other conferences, the only two that would match the academic profile that the SAA presidents think of themselves as having would be Maryville and (maybe) Huntingdon.    I don't see either of those schools leaving the USAC.   And most of the FL schools that have recently added FB have either gone the NAIA or  D-2 routes (and most of them have academic profiles closer to the USAC schools than the SAA schools).

I have to wonder about the amount of ill will floating around between the SAA and SCAC schools over the split.   The fact that the SAA has enough schools in the league to qualify for an automatic bid in the FB playoff puts the SAA in much better bargaining position.   SAA could just make schedules work with the current membership and not do anything.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2015, 06:53:50 PM
For the sake of geography, Huntingdon might see an advantage to moving to the SAA, but I don't think that the mission and vision aspect works as well for them in the SAA as it does in the USAC.

LaGrange is a great Huntingdon rival.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 06, 2015, 10:54:11 AM
I was somewhat leery of including Huntingdon for those very reasons. 

Not much choice, tho', if you want to try to keep the travel for the other sports to a reasonable bus ride and you can't convince some schools to switch out of the ODAC (which I think is not very realistic).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2015, 04:49:14 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on July 06, 2015, 10:54:11 AM
I was somewhat leery of including Huntingdon for those very reasons. 

Not much choice, tho', if you want to try to keep the travel for the other sports to a reasonable bus ride and you can't convince some schools to switch out of the ODAC (which I think is not very realistic).
You gotta admire the ODAC for what they are, and what they accomplish.

They embody the finest ideals of D3 sports.

There is absolutely no reason for any ODAC member to leave the ODAC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 05, 2015, 11:18:58 AM
Austin American-Statesman story on Rhodes' WR Nick Parinella, who overcame Hodgkin's lymphoma prior to returning to the field last season:

http://www.mystatesman.com/news/sports/football/parinella-returns-to-football-after-fighting-off-c/nnCq8/

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2015, 06:04:03 PM
I wanted to take a moment here as we go into our final crunch time on Kickoff 2015 to thank SAA fans for their support of Kickoff 2015. You guys are among the top five conferences supporting the site and our ongoing coverage of Division III football very nicely so far this season and Keith and Ryan Tipps and I really appreciate it. If you haven't subscribed yet, earlier is always better than later!

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/08/time-to-get-kickoff-2015

Publication set for noon ET/11 CT on Tuesday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2015, 11:59:03 PM
Centre makes ESPN!

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13510691
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 26, 2015, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2015, 11:59:03 PM
Centre makes ESPN!

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13510691

Thats pretty funny
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 05, 2015, 05:08:01 PM
Sewanee holds off Kenyon 31-21.  Looked like a typical game for us: strong start early, other guy gets back into it, and we have to win it in 2H.      Next week off we go to Lexington to play W&L, who put 63 on Averett today with a final score of 63-35.

Other scores: Centre also puts up 63 on Hanover, 63-7;   Maryville puts up 30 in the first half to beat Berry 43-17.   Rhodes blows out Southern Virginia 65-10.

Looks like the entertaining game of day is Hendrix at Austin with AC leading 52-41 with just over 3 minutes left in the game.

And not to forget that Millsaps beat Belhaven earlier in the week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 05, 2015, 06:45:17 PM
W&L looked much different than when we met on the mountain last year. Hoping they keep that trend going into next week. Glad you guys are going to Lex but I sure like the years I can drive up to Sewanee to watch them play.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 06, 2015, 09:42:17 AM
Looks like it's going to be another year's worth of weak secondary play on our part given what I saw in the webcast of yesterday's game.   I think Sewanee's defense will stay true to form and struggle against anybody with a decent passing game.  Offense consistent with what you saw last year with some good numbers for our #2 QB who played a good part of the 2nd half.

I don't have a good feel for the rest of the league after week 1... too many blow-outs to make any call about how some teams will do for the rest of the season.    Anybody got thoughts on what happened yesterday with Centre, Rhodes, and Hendrix?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on September 07, 2015, 03:29:31 PM
Any Millsaps fans making the trip to Belton this week to see the game?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 07, 2015, 03:35:15 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 07, 2015, 03:29:31 PM
Any Millsaps fans making the trip to Belton this week to see the game?

I don't remember ever seeing a Milsaps fan here. Really it's a lonely board this one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2015, 07:17:38 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 07, 2015, 03:35:15 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 07, 2015, 03:29:31 PM
Any Millsaps fans making the trip to Belton this week to see the game?

I don't remember ever seeing a Milsaps fan here. Really it's a lonely board this one.

Back in the DuBose heydey (SCAC days) there were quite a few.

Nationally successful teams tend to draw more participation.  The number of Trinity posters is way down with their struggles of recent years. and one of our most faithful supporters unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago.  TLU didn't have much of a presence until they left the ASC and started doing better among lesser competition.   I also think that the improvements to school websites, webcasting, and the like have made the need to join together on boards like this much less.  You can watch an increasing number of teams for free (does anyone in the SAA besides Rhodes charge for video?) and the quality is getting better.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 08, 2015, 10:00:29 AM
W&L's game notes for the upcoming Sewanee contest.

http://generalssports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/Sewanee_Notes
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Coolrey on September 08, 2015, 10:31:29 AM
Ron - Even though TLU has moved to the SCAC, they still play all the ASC teams (with the exception now of McMurray and Belhaven), last year beating all but UMHB and nearly knocking them off in the playoffs.  They would have finished 2nd last year in the ASC and probably 3rd the year before behind UMHB and HSU.  TLU must win all or at least 5 games vs. ASC teams, all SCAC games and the one NAIA game (SAGU) in order to have a chance to get into the post-season.   So, I contend that their recent success is not necessarily due to lesser competition, but rather beating teams in the SCAC as well as the majority of the teams they play in the ASC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DFWCrufan on September 13, 2015, 09:49:39 PM
Hey Ron...this is long but it is a subject I dearly believe in, coverage of the many many D3 schools

To answer, I am a huge fan of the D3 and moving from game to game via internet feeds from the east coast to the west all the while watching the games up to 12am my time in texas. There are some who charge, Linfield does, if I remember right Whittier does and Whitworth (I could be wrong), and to be honest, they (Linfield)would be the only team i would pay to watch a game but I haven't so I don't know the quality.
Much of the quality is a single camera from a fixed pos and so you miss angles as the play moves farther away, and some qulity is really a problem as cameras very from place to place, but I do appreciate the attempt and effort.

There are some fantasic organizations out there, Ithica has a great video program, as does St. Thomas and UMHB, I think St. Thomas does the best at captuing overall the complete feel of the game with multiple cameras, good play by and alot of fan interaction. Ithica has a reporting desk and sideline work, really a stellar broadcast. There might be alot out there I have missed, Chapman in California does a great broadcast, as does George Fox up in Oregon as well. Everyone does their best with budgets and staffing it can be daunting but I believe there is something to the live streaming, it is a great way for young players to see what they may be interested in, if they hear about your program and then go and watch teh feeds, they get to see who and what you are. parents likewise see your program, and that can be reassuring. So tehre are a few who ask for payment, but if the qulity is like I think it is, why would I pay for pixelated, blurry images, I'd rather just go and be there live.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 13, 2015, 11:27:32 PM
Week 2 recap:
Sewanee's loss streak in Lexington was extended for another season as W&L comes alive in the 4th quarter to shut down a 3Q comeback attempt on our part.   I believe that to be 14 road losses in a row in the series for us - get 'em on the Mountain next year!  ;)

Game of the day was in Rome, GA as Berry gets the 16-13 OT win over LaGrange to open Berry's new field.  Berry opens SAA play next week against Rhodes, who won at home, 28-7, over Pomona.

Pretty wild game in Birmingham as B-S and Huntingdon exchanged multiple touchdowns in the last minute of play with Huntingdon failing to get a 2-pt try at the end of regulation.

Centre beats Defiance 25-8.   Not a lot posted on that game.... Any Centre folks lurking around the list with an update?   

Hendrix no problems with Lyon, 42-7.   Rough day for the Majors as UMHB steamrolls Millsaps 65-12.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 13, 2015, 11:58:28 PM
You forgot Rhodes winning in CA. And did the two short term affiliates have bye weeks?  I went to the BSC game. Thought are posted in the USASAC  board. Sewanee is going to have their hands full next week but Huntingdon really helped BSC to that win. Don't think I'll get to BSC for Sewanee but we are planning to be there for Chicago's visit 10/2.

Glad my boys came back after the game On The Mountain last year but we were flat in that second half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 14, 2015, 01:08:45 PM
The Rhodes-Pomona game was in Memphis as it was the return trip from Rhodes going to CA last year.   

Hard for me to remember about Wash U and Chicago being in our league... may be the ephemeral nature of their visit.   Does sound like the Maroons game with Case was entertaining with that late comeback.    And Wash U didn't have any problems with CMU.

Agreed on both B-SC giving us a fit on Saturday and your assessment on the W&L.   Y'all would have blown us off the field if your kids had come out in the 2nd playing like they did in the first half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 15, 2015, 10:08:26 AM
Yeah. I'm hoping to see both Chicago and Wash U in their short stint in the SAA. If the weather cooperates Chicago is on the calendar this year. Hopefully I can do the same next year with Wash U. Fun seeing different teams. Hopefully we will get back to Sewanee next year for the W&L game. My wife enjoys visiting up there, so that makes it easier. I'm still trying to figure out this W&L team. Much better than last year, but good enough to make an ODAC run? Hard to tell from their three OOC games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Tigers99 on September 15, 2015, 11:34:39 PM
Sewanee lost four fumbles in the first half.  In my estimation the second half was more-representative of the team's respective strengths than the first half was.  W&L did gash the Tigers with some long runs, and that was the biggest contributor to the game's outcome.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 16, 2015, 08:56:34 AM
Quote from: Tigers99 on September 15, 2015, 11:34:39 PM
Sewanee lost four fumbles in the first half.  In my estimation the second half was more-representative of the team's respective strengths than the first half was.  W&L did gash the Tigers with some long runs, and that was the biggest contributor to the game's outcome.

Welcome to the board. The SAA needs more representation.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2015, 12:43:29 PM
Agreed.

One of my big regrets pre-split was that I was never able to make it to a game on the Mountain.   Welcome, Tigers99!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 16, 2015, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2015, 12:43:29 PM
Agreed.

One of my big regrets pre-split was that I was never able to make it to a game on the Mountain.   Welcome, Tigers99!

Oh yes. Sewanee is quite the place to see. Lovely old stadium although I was greatly pleased to see the horrible grass surface go. Last year was my sixth visit, as a junior in h.s. when I was looking for a school, first year twice (the game and a pledge roll), junior year, 2012 and 2014 for the games. 2014 was the first visit in sunshine which made for a wonderful day. Of course it was also the first time I'd seen W&L lose to Sewanee in person since I was a freshman in college (thankfully I was not present at the 2003 game), which took away some of the luster. But I highly recommend a visit. Just a truly beautiful place.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Tigers99 on September 17, 2015, 12:02:40 AM
Gents.... Thanks for the "welcome"!   It's good to be here. I must add that I hadn't seen an entire D3 game in many, many years.  Due to a new affiliation, I will be watching a lot of them.  I went to a D3 school myself back in the 1980's, and they always play good football at my alma mater.  I am thoroughly impressed by the level of football that I have seen so far in the D3 South.  It is really-well contested, hard-ass, tough football.  I'm really pleased to be a fan of it!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ga_Colonel on September 17, 2015, 08:38:23 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 13, 2015, 11:27:32 PM
Centre beats Defiance 25-8.   Not a lot posted on that game.... Any Centre folks lurking around the list with an update?   

Centre grinded out the win late.  It was 10-8 late in the 3rd quarter.  Offense never really got on track.  Defense and special teams won the game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: GillCJ1 on September 17, 2015, 09:02:17 AM
Welcome to the boards Tigers99 and Ga_Colonel!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 17, 2015, 09:09:42 AM
Quote from: Ga_Colonel on September 17, 2015, 08:38:23 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 13, 2015, 11:27:32 PM
Centre beats Defiance 25-8.   Not a lot posted on that game.... Any Centre folks lurking around the list with an update?   

Centre grinded out the win late.  It was 10-8 late in the 3rd quarter.  Offense never really got on track.  Defense and special teams won the game.

A Centre fan is sited! Welcome to the board. We could use some Centre folks around here. Any thoughts on this year's team versus last year's?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ga_Colonel on September 17, 2015, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 17, 2015, 09:09:42 AM
A Centre fan is sited! Welcome to the board. We could use some Centre folks around here. Any thoughts on this year's team versus last year's?

Heath Haden is back at QB as a fifth year senior (medical hardship) which helps a lot on offense, but they are replacing two all-conference offensive lineman on the right side (both three or four year starters) and an all-conference receiver (led the league in receiving yards last year as a sophomore).

On defense, they are replacing some key starters over the last two years in the defensive line and linebacker group.  They will be anchored by two all-conference safeties.  The defense has played well the first two games.

You have to get a little lucky to go 10-0.  All the breaks went their way last year.  They probably will be favored in all the games they play (d3football has them predicted at 10-0), but I can see the winner of this conference with one loss this year.

We may get an idea how things might shake out this year with some really good match-ups.  How much has Berry improved and how does Chicago match-up with Millsaps?


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 17, 2015, 09:55:46 AM
Interesting. Yeah, caught some breaks last year but you are right that for most teams a few breaks are necessary. I thought my Generals were going to win that early game last year, but it ended up part of their season long spiral. Sad that series is not being played again.

I was at BSC last weekend. Don't count them out. They have some really good pieces but you get them at home. I think BSC is going to be a bear next year, but they are much better this year than they have been the last two from what I've seen.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ga_Colonel on September 17, 2015, 10:07:06 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 17, 2015, 09:55:46 AM
Interesting. Yeah, caught some breaks last year but you are right that for most teams a few breaks are necessary. I thought my Generals were going to win that early game last year, but it ended up part of their season long spiral. Sad that series is not being played again.

Hopefully they get the series going again.  It would be nice to see Centre upgrade their non-conference schedule. How that game finished last year really launched their season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 17, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 16, 2015, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2015, 12:43:29 PM
Agreed.

One of my big regrets pre-split was that I was never able to make it to a game on the Mountain.   Welcome, Tigers99!

Oh yes. Sewanee is quite the place to see. Lovely old stadium although I was greatly pleased to see the horrible grass surface go. 

We never could keep a decent grass surface on McGee Field... you dig a few inches deep on the Mountain and hit limestone quick.   Combine that with using the field for lacrosse in the spring and the grass never had a chance to recover.     The school put in lights a few seasons ago for lacrosse.   One of my fraternity brothers and his wife own the Kirby-Smith house (that red-brick Victorian house across the street from the stadium) and the place lights up insanely when they turn on the lights.  I've not heard any talk about moving football to the evening and I hope they never do: college football is meant for Saturday afternoons.

Quote from: jknezek on September 16, 2015, 12:52:04 PM
But I highly recommend a visit. Just a truly beautiful place.
Do come for a visit... the new Inn is amazing and we just had Gil Hanse redo our golf course into one of the better 9-hole courses in the country; one hole has the green on the bluff line with a vista looking towards Tullahoma, Murfreesboro and Nashville that's just jaw-dropping.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 17, 2015, 10:24:03 AM
W&L plays a game or two a year at night. I'm not a big fan, especially since the games start at 6CST so it's right at dinner and bedtime for the kids. But I also understand it's something different for the players and fans.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 19, 2015, 07:58:48 PM
Week 3 recap:
B-SC 21 - Sewanee 3 in Birmingham.   2TDs in the 2Q for B-SC, second of which started with an INT of Sewanee.  B-SC now 3-0 overall, 1-0 in SAA and tied with Centre at top of league.

Speaking of Centre, looks like all offense for them and WashU today  as Centre racked up 590 yards total office compared to WashU's 496 yards as Centre holds on to a 31-24 win.

Contrast that with Berry's 24-0 shutout of Rhodes.  Six sacks and 12 tackles for loss for Berry's defense today.   Berry comes to the Mountain next Saturday looking for their first ever win on the road.

Big 2nd quarter for both teams as Chicago goes to Jackson and beats Millsaps 31-27.

Big game next week as Centre travels to Chicago...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Davae on September 21, 2015, 09:53:02 AM
Wish I could attend the Centre game in Chicago this week, looks like there are plans to make it available on simulcast, though!


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2015, 10:33:52 AM
Welcome to the boards, Davae. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ga_Colonel on September 21, 2015, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 19, 2015, 07:58:48 PM
Contrast that with Berry's 24-0 shutout of Rhodes.  Six sacks and 12 tackles for loss for Berry's defense today.   Berry comes to the Mountain next Saturday looking for their first ever win on the road.

Looking at the box scores and it looks like the Rhodes starting QB has been out the last two weeks.  Anybody know his status?  Great player.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2015, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Davae on September 21, 2015, 09:53:02 AM
Wish I could attend the Centre game in Chicago this week, looks like there are plans to make it available on simulcast, though!

Sorry to say Chicago's video isn't very good.  The angle is low, there's no audio, and the camera doesn't follow the play well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: thptrek on September 22, 2015, 02:51:53 PM
UChicago fan here.  UC is trying to upgrade their video. It has gotten a lot better over the last three years.  It is student run and the students will be just returning to campus to start classes this upcoming Monday. I believe the AD is trying to make this an area for improvement.  But truthfully, it is not where it should be.  The Live Stats normally work ok though.

It should be a great game.  Long range forecast is sunny and in the high 70's.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ga_Colonel on September 25, 2015, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: thptrek on September 22, 2015, 02:51:53 PM
It should be a great game.  Long range forecast is sunny and in the high 70's.

Agree!  Looking forward to this game since the schedule came out.  Centre is coming in a little banged up though.  Do they have tailgating areas on campus?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 25, 2015, 12:06:14 PM
Man I'm happy to see life on this board! I feel the need to root for Centre as a general long-term competitor of W&L (even if my Generals typically come off the worse in that match up), but since I'm planning to see Chicago in Birmingham this year, I kind of hope they pull this out. Would be nice to see BSC and Chicago come in to that game with lots on the line.
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Post by: awadelewis on September 25, 2015, 03:42:46 PM
Interesting post on the SI Campus Rush blog about changes the AD at Millsaps has put in place to change (and maybe improve) the game day experience for fans:
http://www.campusrush.com/millsaps-college-football-fan-attendance-1367931543.html (http://www.campusrush.com/millsaps-college-football-fan-attendance-1367931543.html)
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Post by: Ga_Colonel on September 26, 2015, 08:02:59 PM
The Maroons are really good.  We got a butt whooping today.
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Post by: jaybird44 on September 26, 2015, 09:29:37 PM
Wash-U rebounded from last week's loss at Centre by posting a 41-13 victory at home vs. Birmingham Southern this afternoon.  Wash-U scored on its first 3 possessions en route to a 21-0 lead with 6:09 left in the first quarter.  Passing game razor sharp, as J.J. Tomlin completed 9 of his first 10 passes and tossed TDs of 42 and 9 yards.  Tomlin all told was 22 of 34 for 365 yards, with 4 TDs and 2 INTs.

Key point of the game was midway through the 2nd quarter.  Wash-U led 21-7 but was seemingly going to punt the ball from its 42.  Instead, a fake punt pass was completed to extend the drive, and the Bears scored 5 plays later for a 28-7 lead.

Wash-U improves to 2-1 overall, and 1-1 in the SAA.  Birmingham Southern falls to 3-1 and 1-1. Bears have a tough game at Berry next weekend, who is 3-1 overall and 2-0 in the SAA.
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Post by: awadelewis on September 28, 2015, 01:52:32 PM
Week 4 recap:
Chicago put their stamp on the league with their 49-30 victory over Centre.   Big day for the Maroons RB Chandler Carroll with 311 yards on 30 carries with 3 TDs.    Next up for Chicago will be B-SC in Birmingham.

Right behind the Maroons in the table are the Berry Vikings who put together a solid drive at the start of the 3q followed immediately with a Kevin Grier's Pick-6 of  Cody Daniel's  pass to defeat Sewanee 14-3.   Watched this game in person and I think Berry will be dangerous when their offense catches up with the progress made by their defense.

In St. Louis, WashU put it to B-SC 41-13... good summary already posted on that game (kudos and karma to jaybird44).    Will be interesting to see what the WashU offense will do against the Berry defense as the Bears travel to NW Georgia to take on the Vikings at Valhalla.

Another big performance by a RB in the Hendrix-Millsaps game as Dayton Winn contributed 226 yards to a total of 328 yards rushing by the Hendrix offense.  Winn tied his own school record with 4 rushing TDs in the game on the way to a 45-34 win.

Coming up this week: Chicago at B-SC,   WashU at Berry, Hendix at Centre, and Sewanee travels to Memphis to take on "those people" at Rhodes...
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Post by: jknezek on October 02, 2015, 06:56:20 PM
If anyone is going to the Chicago at B-SC game this weekend look for me to say hi. Old beige motor home hopefully on the road behind the end zone. Will have hot food and cold drinks and chairs to share right outside the coach and a prime spot for watching the game. Dress warm and stop bye to say hi.
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Post by: jaybird44 on October 02, 2015, 10:32:10 PM
WashU travels to Berry for a 6:00 ET kickoff Saturday.  Bears need a win to snap their 7-game road losing streak and to get the bitter taste out of their mouths on how last year's game at Berry ended.

It won't be easy...when I saw Berry in its first year, they had very good young athletes that just needed some seasoning.  It improved last season, and it appears the progression is continuing at a faster clip.  With a big crowd for Berry College Mountain Day, Valhalla Stadium will be a tough place again for Wash-U to play.

Bears offense is rolling, and their defense took a big step forward last week vs. BSC.  If they can repeat last week's performance and stay on the plus-side of the takeaway/turnover ratio, the Bears will have a great chance to gain a victory in Georgia.  A compelling game to watch...
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Post by: jknezek on October 03, 2015, 05:58:00 PM
Was at the Chicago at BSC game played in a cold (for Oct. Alabama) drizzly rain. Chicago looked good. Controlled the game but struggled to put points on the board. QB is a stud, but it looked like his arm got dinged up in the second quarter and he went from throwing on a rope to throwing a few floaters.

Chicago is a strong team. 28-14 was pretty indicative of the game, but you really felt Chicago had it under control the whole time even if they couldn't pull away. They will be a tough out for anyone in the SAA.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2015, 11:46:23 PM
Congrats to Chicago for earning their first-ever ranking in the D3football.com Top 25!
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Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 05, 2015, 12:26:08 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2015, 11:46:23 PM
Congrats to Chicago for earning their first-ever ranking in the D3football.com Top 25!

I'll bet that the Big Ten incarnation of Chicago (including the first-ever Heisman winner) could have cracked the poll (if it or even D3 had existed back then! ;D)
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Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2015, 01:05:50 AM
That's why I was very careful in all of our copy to say that it was their first D3football.com Top 25 ranking. :)
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Post by: jknezek on October 10, 2015, 04:20:39 PM
Looks like Chicago's stay in the Top 25 will be short. Lost in OT at home to Berry.  Congrats to young bucks Berry on the big win over the historical program!
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Post by: awadelewis on October 11, 2015, 05:34:39 PM
I would have never predicted back in August that Hendrix would be traveling to Berry in mid-October to play for the lead in the conference...
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Post by: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2015, 06:36:34 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 11, 2015, 05:34:39 PM
I would have never predicted back in August that Hendrix would be traveling to Berry in mid-October to play for the lead in the conference...
Sign of the end-times.   ;)

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Post by: jaybird44 on October 11, 2015, 10:45:00 PM
Wash-U rebounded from a tough loss at Berry to defeat Rhodes 37-7 at Francis Field in St. Louis.  Certainly didn't expect that margin of victory, given Rhodes' SAA-leading 12.75 ppg allowed to its opponents.  But, there were several unforeseen occurrances in that game last night.

Wash-U's defense played its best game of the season, especially against the run, which has been a problem over the past 1.5 seasons.  The Bears locked down Rhodes to 8 yards rushing on 24 carries, and 181 yards total offense.  Compare the 8 rushing yards allowed to the past 3 meetings vs. Rhodes, in which the Lynx were well over 200 yards rushing in each of those games.

A week after Wash-U committed 5 turnovers at Berry, it received 6 turnovers from Rhodes last night (4 picks, 2 fumble recoveries).  QB Blake Box did not play, and reserve Austin Henyon had a rough night (6-of-17, 61 yds).  His replacement was 10-17 for 112 yards but threw 3 INTs. 

Wash-U's rushing offense got a boost from freshman RB Jamar McDonald--87 yards on 13 carries and a 27-yard TD run.  Had another TD run erased because of a penalty.  McDonald is going to be a very good feature back in the very near future.  He helped the Bears tally 165 yards and a 4-yard average per carry.

And, Wash-U could've tied a Division III record with 8 field goal attempts, if the snap on the 8th one wasn't mishandled and fumbled away.  Alex Hallwachs was 3 for 7 in field goal attempts (missed 2, had 2 blocked).  A better night from him could've resulted in breaking the D3 record of 6 FGs in a game.  In his defense, one of the blocks was from 52 yards out, and he missed a 47-yarder.

What didn't change was J.J. Tomlin's impressive accumulation of passing yardage.  Had 337 yards last night and 3 TDs, to boost his season totals to 1,647 yards, 13 TDs, and 8 INTs.  Moved into 6th place all-time in career passing yardage with 3,551.  Could get to the #2 spot by the end of the season, and have a good chance next season to eclipse Thor Larsen (1994-97).

The Bears won their 7th straight home game...now let's see if they can snap their 8-game road losing streak at Sewanee this Saturday.
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Post by: awadelewis on October 13, 2015, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on October 11, 2015, 10:45:00 PM

The Bears won their 7th straight home game...now let's see if they can snap their 8-game road losing streak at Sewanee this Saturday.

I was surprised to see that we've not played y'all since 1977.  I had it in my head that we did an home-and-home with WashU in early 1990s.    Supposed to be good football weather in Sewanee this weekend...
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Post by: BerryViking92 on October 16, 2015, 09:18:09 AM
Huge game in Rome, Georgia tomorrow between Berry and Hendrix.  Oddly, that have yet to face a common team.  Both teams in their third year of football.  Hendrix won in year one, a fairly close game in Arkansas.  Berry won relatively easily last year at home, at a time when Hendrix was struck with numerous injuries.  No reason not to expect a very close game between the (as of today) top 2 teams in the conference.  Berry defense has been outstanding of late, and will need to continue that trend.
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Post by: jknezek on October 16, 2015, 09:42:17 AM
I find this game one of the more interesting in the region. Both teams have looked good on one side of the ball, but both also have puzzling losses before that side of the ball got rolling. Berry got racked by Maryville. Gave up 465 yards and had 3 turnovers. M'Ville, at the time, looked really good, but their last two games have been very "meh" while Berry has been on an absolute tear defensively.

Hendrix, on the other hand, gave up 55 points to Austin while handing over 5 turnovers! That's just hideous. Austin put up over 600 yards of offense. Since then, Hendrix has given up yards and points, but put up even more.

So this game is strength on strength. Hendrix's high powered offense versus Berry's stout defense. Berry's weak offense versus Hendrix's porous defense.

Just a fascinating match up.
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Post by: Scots13 on October 16, 2015, 10:36:51 AM
Berry is playing the way I expected them to play this year. I was shocked when they got blasted by Maryville to open the season. I thought MC would win, but not as easily.
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Post by: BerryViking92 on October 16, 2015, 11:05:45 AM
Berry seems to be playing better each game.  The Maryville game was not impressive for us, and Lagrange was a definite (but fun and exciting) struggle.  Shut out of Rhodes and upset of Chicago definitely provide reason for excitement.  Defense has to keep it up and offense has to continue to improve.  The missing piece has often been the lack of a run game, which has shown definite signs of life these last 2 games.
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Post by: BerryViking92 on October 17, 2015, 04:02:57 PM
Huge win for Berry over Hendrix today.  Absolutely heroic effort for the Berry defense.  Very fitting that the final play was an interception by the Viking defense.  So very proud & excited for our young team.  Six game win streak; these guys keep finding a way to win.  Well deserved bye week awaits.
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Post by: GillCJ1 on October 20, 2015, 03:32:18 PM
Congrats to Mitchell Blanchard of Berry College.  He took home the SAA Weekly Honor for Special Teams.  Only reason I know this is because we're both Collins Hill High School alumni and it showed up on one of my social media feeds.
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Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2015, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 17, 2015, 04:02:57 PM
Huge win for Berry over Hendrix today.  Absolutely heroic effort for the Berry defense.  Very fitting that the final play was an interception by the Viking defense.  So very proud & excited for our young team.  Six game win streak; these guys keep finding a way to win.  Well deserved bye week awaits.

I would think this is a good time for the bye week. Certainly there are guys who are banged up who could use a break.
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Post by: jaybird44 on October 24, 2015, 09:45:26 PM
Wash-U's potent offense was in full bloom this afternoon at Francis Field, in a 70-32 defeat of Millsaps this afternoon.

The Bears scored TDs on their first 8 possessions, counting a recovered bad Millsaps punt recovered in the end zone.  21-6 after 1 quarter, 49-14 at halftime, and 63-20 after 3 quarters. 

Wash-U had 521 yards of total offense, including 334 passing yards.  J.J. Tomlin went over 2,100 yards with 272 yards and 4 TD passes. Kevin Hammarlund had 7 catches for 106 yards and 3 TDs, and Cody Ratermann totaled 86 rushing yards.  Austin Smestad had 2 rushing TDs.

Wash-U is averaging 48.5 ppg at home this season.  Too bad the Bears' two early losses may keep them out of Pool C consideration.  This would be a fun team to watch in post-season play.

And, it's too bad we can't pair this offense with the 2013 defense...
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Post by: mck99 on October 28, 2015, 07:39:53 PM
Interview with WashU special teams coach Jeff Fisher - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wmOV1-PdyU&list=PL386C7A8527679D9B&index=1
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Post by: mck99 on November 05, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
Interview with WashU head coach Larry Kindbom - discussing the Bears' 34-16 loss at No. 23 Case and previewing the final road game of the 2015 season at Hendrix on Saturday in Conway, Ark.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJukQDekV4&index=1&list=PL386C7A8527679D9B
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Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
I'm headed down to Alabama this weekend to see if Berry can clinch this thing. Anyone else going to be there?
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Post by: jknezek on November 05, 2015, 11:32:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
I'm headed down to Alabama this weekend to see if Berry can clinch this thing. Anyone else going to be there?

If the weather is ok I'll try and convince my family to head over. Since I took off last weekend to go to E&H, I don't think my wife will let me duck out without everyone to see another game. Sadly the weather looks awful.

If you are there, the stands are small but fine. Everyone sits on the same side and if both teams bring a band there isn't much seating. If the weather holds off they will fill up quickly, especially if anyone from Berry shows. However, up on the hill behind the endzone you will find some really good fans. Look for the B-SC Hilltoppers and they will be pretty hospitable (generally).

Personally, unless you have a burning desire to see Berry, this weekend won't be a good one to be in Birmingham. You could drive 90 minutes down the road and take in what should be the better game at Huntingdon...

if you need a place to stay we are about 20 miles south of Birmingham. Wrong direction from the airport, but we don't charge much for guests  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 11:56:27 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 05, 2015, 11:32:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
I'm headed down to Alabama this weekend to see if Berry can clinch this thing. Anyone else going to be there?

If the weather is ok I'll try and convince my family to head over. Since I took off last weekend to go to E&H, I don't think my wife will let me duck out without everyone to see another game. Sadly the weather looks awful.

If you are there, the stands are small but fine. Everyone sits on the same side and if both teams bring a band there isn't much seating. If the weather holds off they will fill up quickly, especially if anyone from Berry shows. However, up on the hill behind the endzone you will find some really good fans. Look for the B-SC Hilltoppers and they will be pretty hospitable (generally).

Personally, unless you have a burning desire to see Berry, this weekend won't be a good one to be in Birmingham. You could drive 90 minutes down the road and take in what should be the better game at Huntingdon...

if you need a place to stay we are about 20 miles south of Birmingham. Wrong direction from the airport, but we don't charge much for guests  ;D

Thanks for all of that -- I'm just flying into Atlanta and driving, because I don't mind driving and it might be faster when it's all said and done. That's also where I'm staying.

There to see Berry if they clinch and talk to them for the podcast, plus see Birmingham-Southern for the first time. I maintain a list of programs I have and have not yet seen and try to knock a few off the list each year.
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Post by: jknezek on November 05, 2015, 12:12:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 11:56:27 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 05, 2015, 11:32:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
I'm headed down to Alabama this weekend to see if Berry can clinch this thing. Anyone else going to be there?

If the weather is ok I'll try and convince my family to head over. Since I took off last weekend to go to E&H, I don't think my wife will let me duck out without everyone to see another game. Sadly the weather looks awful.

If you are there, the stands are small but fine. Everyone sits on the same side and if both teams bring a band there isn't much seating. If the weather holds off they will fill up quickly, especially if anyone from Berry shows. However, up on the hill behind the endzone you will find some really good fans. Look for the B-SC Hilltoppers and they will be pretty hospitable (generally).

Personally, unless you have a burning desire to see Berry, this weekend won't be a good one to be in Birmingham. You could drive 90 minutes down the road and take in what should be the better game at Huntingdon...

if you need a place to stay we are about 20 miles south of Birmingham. Wrong direction from the airport, but we don't charge much for guests  ;D

Thanks for all of that -- I'm just flying into Atlanta and driving, because I don't mind driving and it might be faster when it's all said and done. That's also where I'm staying.

There to see Berry if they clinch and talk to them for the podcast, plus see Birmingham-Southern for the first time. I maintain a list of programs I have and have not yet seen and try to knock a few off the list each year.

I figured as much. You just aren't going to get much of a day weather wise. And yes, Birmingham's airport just doesn't go anywhere anymore. Easy drive but watch the speed limit after you cross into Alabama. For no reason other than catching out of staters it drops 10 mph and the cops sit right there.

B-SC isn't a bad team, but not great. Wide receivers have some speed and one of them doubles as a pretty good kick returner. Be interesting to see if they can put points on Berry. B-SC has a nice campus but it's not in a great part of town. Once you get in the gates it's a different world.

If I get over there I'll look to say hi. Press box for you I'd assume? At least it will keep you out of the weather...
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2015, 12:27:23 PM
Hey Pat, since you're here, thoughts on Berry not getting any love in the regional rankings?   Hard to believe that week 1 loss has that much influence over the other criteria, and it's not like they lost to a 2-6 team. 
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Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2015, 12:27:23 PM
Hey Pat, since you're here, thoughts on Berry not getting any love in the regional rankings?   Hard to believe that week 1 loss has that much influence over the other criteria, and it's not like they lost to a 2-6 team.

I think it's just that they lost to the team that the committee deemed No. 10, and therefore couldn't get into the top 10. It looks to me like Huntingdon is a blocker. If Maryville beats Huntingdon, they'll drop out of the rankings and Berry can move in. Berry is blocking Case, I'm sure, because Berry beat Chicago while Case lost to Chicago.
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Post by: BerryViking92 on November 06, 2015, 08:25:08 AM
Really wish I could make it to Birmingham this weekend.  Two big games left to make some history.  I want this team to knock the door down, not back into anything. I cannot over-state what a great coaching job the Berry staff has done.

I wish mother nature would cooperate...
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Post by: jknezek on November 07, 2015, 08:49:35 PM
Pat -- I hope you stayed dry. I couldn't summon the enthusiasm to go stand in the rain and given the dud the game ended up being, I'm glad I didn't! Watching W&L clinch from my computer was much more satisfying though I would have liked to say hi.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2015, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 07, 2015, 08:49:35 PM
Pat -- I hope you stayed dry. I couldn't summon the enthusiasm to go stand in the rain and given the dud the game ended up being, I'm glad I didn't! Watching W&L clinch from my computer was much more satisfying though I would have liked to say hi.

That's alright -- I did stay dry as I was trying to keep score on paper thanks to the power being out in the stadium for the first quarter. :)
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Post by: tigerguy on November 18, 2015, 02:00:06 PM
We're backkkkkkk. Pretty excited about Trinity and Austin College's move back to the old members of the SCAC/new SAA. Interested to hear about the details behind the decision!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 18, 2015, 02:02:46 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 18, 2015, 02:00:06 PM
We're backkkkkkk. Pretty excited about Trinity and Austin College's move back to the old members of the SCAC/new SAA. Interested to hear about the details behind the decision!

The good news is you'll have an easier time with your schedule. The bad news is this message board is going to be whatever you guys bring over with you and occasionally a voice in the wilderness.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2015, 05:48:45 PM
The TU/AC presence on the SCAC board (soon to RIP!) the last few years hasn't been that much, either.   Hopefully being a part of a conference, and playing games that build towards a pool A bid, will bring a few more folks along.   I look forward to seeing some old acquaintances in San Antonio and getting acquainted with new faces like Berry and Hendrix.

Maybe by 2017 the TU stadium will get the improvements that have been discussed for years.   
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Post by: DGPugh on November 18, 2015, 07:25:59 PM
Hay
I agree with both Ron Boerger & jknezek in that this and the SCAC & SAA boards are quiet, but, I still check em and the ODAC  and of course USAsouth 'bout every other day. ;)
stay safe
keep the faith
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Post by: D O.C. on November 21, 2015, 12:50:23 AM
Congratulations for playing tomorrow.
No injuries!

Love,
Jimi
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Post by: desertcat1 on November 25, 2015, 12:05:40 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Safe travels.  :-*
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Post by: jaybird44 on December 29, 2015, 07:13:20 PM
Congratulations to WashU defensive coordinator Jim Ryan as he leaves the Bears to become the new head coach at Rhodes College!  Jim will replace Dan Gritti, who left to become the head coach at Millikin University.

Jim will do well at Rhodes...the Lynx should be pumped about the new hire!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on August 29, 2016, 01:04:30 AM
U of Chicago getting some coverage:

The University of Chicago Wants to Be a Football School
How do you invent football culture?


https://theringer.com/university-chicago-football-culture-91db25cc0542#.dl96j749j
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Post by: jknezek on August 29, 2016, 09:42:32 AM
Just booked my spot at the W&L tailgate at Sewanee 9/10. Awadelewis if you are going to be around let me know and I'll stop by and say hi again. No family coming this year, so hopefully I'll get to watch the whole game.
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Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2016, 03:47:09 PM
Planning on being on the Mountain next weekend.   Not certain what sort of game we will see next week as I've not been able to spend much time in Sewanee the past few weeks.  And sounds like we a rough time on the road today at Kenyon.  Do come by the home side and say hello, will be in my usual spot along the fence.
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Post by: BerryViking92 on September 06, 2016, 10:23:56 AM
Big win over Maryville Saturday night.  Big crowd beautiful weather, very exciting finish.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 06, 2016, 11:18:23 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 03, 2016, 03:47:09 PM
Planning on being on the Mountain next weekend.   Not certain what sort of game we will see next week as I've not been able to spend much time in Sewanee the past few weeks.  And sounds like we a rough time on the road today at Kenyon.  Do come by the home side and say hello, will be in my usual spot along the fence.

Will do. W&L's offense is going to be tough to stop. JHU took advantage of the defense. Be interesting to see how the defense stacks up against a different offense.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 09, 2016, 07:11:40 AM
Go Berry!  Game at Lagrange on Saturday.. the first two games in this series have both went into overtime.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2016, 01:01:44 PM
Looking forward to Trinity's rematch at Millsaps today ... and to Trinity's participation as an associate member of the SAA beginning next season.   Good luck to all the teams playing today.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 10, 2016, 11:11:11 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 06, 2016, 11:18:23 AM

Will do. W&L's offense is going to be tough to stop. JHU took advantage of the defense. Be interesting to see how the defense stacks up against a different offense.

Good seeing y'all today.   Wish the results was different. :-)

Don't know about our kids... two weeks in a row we've had teams down multiple touchdowns and we let them back in the game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 11, 2016, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 10, 2016, 11:11:11 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 06, 2016, 11:18:23 AM

Will do. W&L's offense is going to be tough to stop. JHU took advantage of the defense. Be interesting to see how the defense stacks up against a different offense.

Good seeing y'all today.   Wish the results was different. :-)

Don't know about our kids... two weeks in a row we've had teams down multiple touchdowns and we let them back in the game.

Well. My pregame thoughts weren't worth much as we barely moved the ball on you. Good luck the rest of the season.
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Post by: BerryViking92 on September 12, 2016, 08:37:51 AM
Good win Saturday for Berry over Lagrange.  Most points we have scored in a game (in our brief history). 2-0.  One to Rhodes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: paparcc on September 12, 2016, 11:11:48 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on September 12, 2016, 08:37:51 AM
Good win Saturday for Berry over Lagrange.  Most points we have scored in a game (in our brief history). 2-0.  One to Rhodes.

Both Maryville and LaGrange were good wins.  But can't continue to give up 35 pts per game and expect to win.  9 of the top 10 ranked teams are giving up 14 or less per game.
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Post by: BerryViking92 on September 12, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
paparcc:   very true.  I was certainly troubled by our defense in the first half against Maryville.  Certainly, there is room for improvement.  However, I will note our year to year improvement against these two teams.  The last tow seasons, we lost to Maryville something like 41-14.  And the last two games against Lagrange both went into overtime.  This is evidence of marked improvement.

We are a senior heavy team, seniors with a lot of experience.  If we are going to win the conference, etc we need to do so this year.   

Time will tell...

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Post by: awadelewis on September 16, 2016, 06:06:44 PM
Am very interested in seeing how Berry does this week with Rhodes as I've not seen or heard a lot about what Rhodes is bringing to the table this year.    Good gauge on how far the Vikings have come and will go this year.

Will admit to pulling a bit for Millsaps this week against Chicago...  a Majors win will be a good setup for next week's game in Jackson with Hendrix.

... and conference games have already started? How did we already get three weeks into the season?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 17, 2016, 05:41:13 PM
Great 2nd half & Berry is 3-0!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on September 19, 2016, 03:13:10 PM
Sewanee is 0-3 with scores of 21-17, 21-17, and 21-16. That's rough.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 19, 2016, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on September 19, 2016, 03:13:10 PM
Sewanee is 0-3 with scores of 21-17, 21-17, and 21-16. That's rough.

What I saw from them this year looked better than what I've seen in the past. First Year QB looks good but he took a lot of hard shots against W&L. The lines looked better. Especially defensive line. I think someone could throw on them easier than run, but hard to tell from W&L game. Regardless, they may take lumps this year but it seems like they have some pieces to build around going forward.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 19, 2016, 03:31:18 PM
Youth and inexperience was really evident with how things went last Saturday on the Mountain against B-SC.   Two of the Panthers scores came after turnovers by our offense.   The other two games was conditioning issues.... our defense just couldn't stay up with W&L in the 4th quarter of that game.

Our other weak point is a traditional one for us: secondary play.  Not looking forward to going up against some of the more pass-happy teams in the middle of our schedule.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 25, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
Good win for Berry yesterday, the largest margin of victory in our brief history.  4-0.  The games only get bigger, starting on Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 28, 2016, 10:22:05 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on September 25, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
Good win for Berry yesterday, the largest margin of victory in our brief history.  4-0.  The games only get bigger, starting on Saturday.
I was surprised at the number of freshmen that Sewanee played.  Some pretty good athletes that made some good plays.  But their inexperience made their results inconsistent and eventually took its toll on the scoreboard.

Berry needs work in the secondary and has times when the offense bogs down.  IMO, if they want to make that next step they will need to improve there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 02, 2016, 10:41:32 PM
Sets up an interesting game on Saturday with Hendrix on the road at B-SC.    Has all of the trappings of a "trap game" about it (sorry,  couldn't resist), esp. if the Warriors are looking ahead to hosting Berry the following week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 02, 2016, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 02, 2016, 10:41:32 PM
Sets up an interesting game on Saturday with Hendrix on the road at B-SC.    Has all of the trappings of a "trap game" about it (sorry,  couldn't resist), esp. if the Warriors are looking ahead to hosting Berry the following week.

If the weather and family hold I will be there tailgating on the hill with the old RV. Looking forward to seeing Hendrix.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on October 03, 2016, 05:54:04 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 28, 2016, 10:22:05 AM
Berry needs work in the secondary and has times when the offense bogs down.  IMO, if they want to make that next step they will need to improve there.

That was never more evident that last night.  WashU was 35 of 48 passing (73%), and on the 2 TD passes there wasn't a DB within 10 yds of the receiver.  But it wasn't just the secondary.  This game was lost on the line of scrimmage and WashU dominated the LOS.  WashU is disciplined, physical and aggressive whereas Berry is not.  Teams play the way they practice.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 03, 2016, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on October 03, 2016, 05:54:04 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 28, 2016, 10:22:05 AM
Berry needs work in the secondary and has times when the offense bogs down.  IMO, if they want to make that next step they will need to improve there.

That was never more evident that last night.  WashU was 35 of 48 passing (73%), and on the 2 TD passes there wasn't a DB within 10 yds of the receiver.  But it wasn't just the secondary.  This game was lost on the line of scrimmage and WashU dominated the LOS.  WashU is disciplined, physical and aggressive whereas Berry is not.  Teams play the way they practice.   

Yes, Berry is playing soft coverage too often.  I think the DC is too worried about getting burned on a long downfield pass. 

But the game was closer than the score indicates, those last 2 defensive scores by WashU were chances taken by Berry's QB.  He was trying to make something happen late and got burned.

It's only one loss, can't let it stretch into two.  They need to right the ship this week when Chicago visits Rome.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 10, 2016, 08:14:33 AM
I am not sure what happened at Berry at WASHU, but after another poor first half Saturday against Chicago, the Vikings righted the ship and put away the Maroons.  QB Dale was very impressive.  I also wanted to note that the officiating was simply awful.  Drreadful.

Now on to Hendrix and I suppose the game of the year.  Vikings need to put together a full game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2016, 12:31:40 PM
So I went to the Hendrix at B-SC game this weekend. Some thoughts. Hendrix dominated B-SC in every phase of the game. On the other hand, they didn't look to me like a standout DIII team. Good? Absolutely. But standout? I'm not so sure. I have no problem with them around the middle or lower part of the South Top 10. Winning does that, and the win over Centre certainly provides legitimacy.

But as I watched Hendrix I didn't feel like a good DIII team is going to watch the tape and feel intimidated. They were solid, and they went on the road and got a win. The flip side, though, is B-SC is really, really bad. Like I'm not sure how they beat Sewanee bad, as I've seen both this year. Other than the QB, I didn't see anyone I'd consider a real play making threat. I'd say Hendrix made them look that bad, but the rest of B-SC's results aren't all that out of line with what I saw.

So what's the upshot? Berry at Hendrix, Chicago at Hendrix, Hendrix at Wash U, these are all big games and I just don't see Hendrix as a prohibitive favorite over a solid DIII team. But again, it's really hard to tell because of the competition.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 14, 2016, 07:58:02 AM
Big weekend.  Hoping the Berry Vikings can put together the complete game against Hendrix.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 15, 2016, 05:31:13 PM
Wow, HUGE win for Berry.  Wish I had been there, but the radio broadcast was all I could take.  It was a slug-fest.  Freshman kicker replaces hurt all-world senior and becomes a hero.  Defense also played heroically, holding #3 offense to 14 points at home.  Awesome all the way around.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 17, 2016, 10:39:39 AM
Look at the how the schedule plays out for the top four teams in the league:
Berry:  BYE, Millsaps, B-SC, at Centre
WashU: at Millsaps, Case Western, Hendrix, at Chicago
Centre: Sewanee, at B-SC, at Rhodes, Berry
Hendrix: at Chicago, at Rhodes, at WashU, Sewanee

Question becomes which of the four teams will give up that second loss.  Makes that Berry-Centre game in Danville real interesting.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 17, 2016, 03:32:13 PM
And the Hendrix WashU game too
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 17, 2016, 10:39:39 AM
Look at the how the schedule plays out for the top four teams in the league:
Berry:  BYE, Millsaps, B-SC, at Centre
WashU: at Millsaps, Case Western, Hendrix, at Chicago
Centre: Sewanee, at B-SC, at Rhodes, Berry
Hendrix: at Chicago, at Rhodes, at WashU, Sewanee

Question becomes which of the four teams will give up that second loss.  Makes that Berry-Centre game in Danville real interesting.
These are the games that are on my list.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on October 17, 2016, 06:15:10 PM
Watching the SAA unfold down the stretch will be fun to watch. Will Hendrix rebound after last week? Will Berry finish strong with wins over Maryville and Hendrix under their belts? Can WashU handled tough games back to back? Can Centre stay under the radar until Week 11?

Looking at the schedules, my money is on Berry or Centre.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 19, 2016, 09:14:21 AM
Those 2 games will obviously knock two of the 4 out of the race.  Berry/Centre or WashU/Hendrix
So those are the must win games for these programs.  But those games become unimportant if they don't win out.

For now assuming all the other games are wins for these 4:
If Berry beats Centre, they need Hendrix to beat WashU.
If Centre beats Berry, they need WashU to beat Hendrix
and the opposite
If Hendrix beats WashU, they need Centre to beat Berry
If WashU beats Hendrix, they need Berry to beat Centre
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 19, 2016, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 19, 2016, 09:14:21 AM
Those 2 games will obviously knock two of the 4 out of the race.  Berry/Centre or WashU/Hendrix
So those are the must win games for these programs.  But those games become unimportant if they don't win out.

For now assuming all the other games are wins for these 4:
If Berry beats Centre, they need Hendrix to beat WashU.
If Centre beats Berry, they need WashU to beat Hendrix
and the opposite
If Hendrix beats WashU, they need Centre to beat Berry
If WashU beats Hendrix, they need Berry to beat Centre
;)

Okay BerryCollegeFan,

I assume that you can credit your Berry College education (and probably some Logics professor) with your abilities of deduction.

Thanks for breaking it down.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ga_Colonel on October 30, 2016, 12:05:13 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 19, 2016, 09:14:21 AM
Those 2 games will obviously knock two of the 4 out of the race.  Berry/Centre or WashU/Hendrix
So those are the must win games for these programs.  But those games become unimportant if they don't win out.

For now assuming all the other games are wins for these 4:
If Berry beats Centre, they need Hendrix to beat WashU.
If Centre beats Berry, they need WashU to beat Hendrix
and the opposite
If Hendrix beats WashU, they need Centre to beat Berry
If WashU beats Hendrix, they need Berry to beat Centre

Who would a thought that Rhodes beats Hendrix?  Looks like it might come down to Berry v Centre. Centre still a little under the radar.....
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 02, 2016, 03:30:13 PM
so with the last 2 weekends.

Berry has Birmingham Southern and @ Centre
Centre has @ Rhodes and Berry
Hendrix has @ WashU and Sewanee
WashU has Hendrix and @ Chicago

WashU definitely has the toughest opponents left.  Obviously Berry still wants Hendrix to beat WashU, that hasn't changed. 

Rhodes has played tough this year but has had bad second halves in a couple games.  I know in the Berry game it was 14-7 at the half with Berry getting an easy touchdown over the top on the first play.  Without that play it was even in first half.  With the recent win, it looks like they have gotten better second half as the season has progressed.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2016, 03:57:11 PM
Regional rankings out: http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2016/first-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 07, 2016, 01:43:28 PM
Final week.

Berry, Centre & WashU all with one loss.  Centre in the drivers seat.

Centre wins conference with a victory.
WashU wins with a victory and Centre loss to Berry.
Berry wins with a victory and WashU loss to Chicago.

Opnions on at-large bids for either WashU or Berry, if they win either scenario but the other team loss doesn't happen for them?

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2016, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 07, 2016, 01:43:28 PM
Final week.

Berry, Centre & WashU all with one loss.  Centre in the drivers seat.

Centre wins conference with a victory.
WashU wins with a victory and Centre loss to Berry.
Berry wins with a victory and WashU loss to Chicago.

Opnions on at-large bids for either WashU or Berry, if they win either scenario but the other team loss doesn't happen for them?
There are only 6 Pool C bids for the 4 regions.

An at-large bid for the SAA seems extremely unlikely.

Currently HSU is #3 in the Regional Ranking. They lost by 5 points on the road at #1 UMHB. (How many points is home field advantage worth?)
CWRU is likely to go 10-0. There is no way that I deny a Pool C bid to an undefeated team.

Muhlenberg is also 9-1 and is in the Regional Rankings ahead of the SAA teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ga_Colonel on November 07, 2016, 01:50:22 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 07, 2016, 01:43:28 PM
Opnions on at-large bids for either WashU or Berry, if they win either scenario but the other team loss doesn't happen for them?

I can't see an at large bid for the runner-up of this conference based on last week's regional rankings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 08, 2016, 10:22:17 AM
seemed unlikely to me as well.  But it makes for interesting conversations.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on November 09, 2016, 06:55:59 PM
WashU at Chicago Game notes. Game time at Noon (CT) Saturday in the Windy City A win for the Bears and they secure at least Co-SAA Championship:
http://washubears.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/20161109rmy1pz
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 11, 2016, 12:14:20 PM
2nd week Regional Rankings

South Region
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0 9-0
2 Johns Hopkins 9-0 9-0
3 Hardin-Simmons 6-1 8-1
4 Case Western Reserve 9-0 9-0
5 Thomas More 9-1 9-1
6 Muhlenberg 8-1 8-1
7 Berry 8-1 8-1
8 Randolph-Macon 8-1 8-1
9 Huntingdon 7-1 8-1
10 Centre 8-1 8-1

In SAA Berry #7, Centre #10.  you'd think with those two playing, the winner might jump up a spot or two even if the other teams win.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2016, 12:20:35 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 11, 2016, 12:14:20 PM
2nd week Regional Rankings

South Region
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0 9-0
2 Johns Hopkins 9-0 9-0
3 Hardin-Simmons 6-1 8-1
4 Case Western Reserve 9-0 9-0
5 Thomas More 9-1 9-1
6 Muhlenberg 8-1 8-1
7 Berry 8-1 8-1
8 Randolph-Macon 8-1 8-1
9 Huntingdon 7-1 8-1
10 Centre 8-1 8-1

In SAA Berry #7, Centre #10.  you'd think with those two playing, the winner might jump up a spot or two even if the other teams win.
Except if Muhlenberg wins, and CWRU wins, and TMore is finished and has the AQ, #7 Berry is supposed to beat #10 Centre.

Centre might jump one or two, but I think that the SAA goes on the road in the first round.   

I like the SAA as a balanced conference, and my hope is that Trinity wins every year so we don't have an ASC first round match. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 11, 2016, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2016, 12:20:35 PM

I like the SAA as a balanced conference, and my hope is that Trinity wins every year so we don't have an ASC first round match. :)

I, for one, welcome our new conference overlords.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2016, 03:12:32 PM
Who knows, Austin may end up being your conference overlords.    Trinity is not the juggernaut it once was - though it would have helped this year had their QB and top RB not gone down in the first TLU game.

With SCAC football going the way of the dodo after this weekend, the SCAC has put together its all-time CAC/SCAC football team.   With many former SCAC/CAC members now in the SAA, hopefully this is of some interest to at least some here.   http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/all_cac_scac
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 11, 2016, 04:13:23 PM
You might be right.    It's a good thing to get both Trinity and Austin back into the league.   Always thought we should have worked that deal when the SAA schools decided to leave.

There is some good people on that list... that undefeated 1963 Sewanee team that M.L. Agnew and Bill Johnson played on is still talked about often on the Mountain.  Was pretty much the high point of Shirley Majors tenure at Sewanee.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DGPugh on November 12, 2016, 09:19:18 PM
my cuzin - Dale Reich was on that team as well :)

keep the faith
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 14, 2016, 09:15:02 AM
A fun game with Berry @ Centre.  Very entertaining.  It was a strong performance by both teams. 

Berry's defense made enough stops to win it.  Stopping the 2 point conversion early in the 4th ended up being the play to seal the victory.  I thought we'd see more scoring but both defenses played tough to end it.

Congrats to WashU for outlasting Chicago in their high scoring game.  Play well this Saturday!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ga_Colonel on November 15, 2016, 09:31:05 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 14, 2016, 09:15:02 AM
Berry's defense made enough stops to win it.  Stopping the 2 point conversion early in the 4th ended up being the play to seal the victory.  I thought we'd see more scoring but both defenses played tough to end it.

Don't forget about the red zone interception on third and one from the BC08 with 7 minutes left to play!  Killer.  Congrats to the Vikings and the Berry College faithful!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 15, 2016, 09:41:39 AM
Quote from: Ga_Colonel on November 15, 2016, 09:31:05 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 14, 2016, 09:15:02 AM
Berry's defense made enough stops to win it.  Stopping the 2 point conversion early in the 4th ended up being the play to seal the victory.  I thought we'd see more scoring but both defenses played tough to end it.

Don't forget about the red zone interception on third and one from the BC08 with 7 minutes left to play!  Killer.  Congrats to the Vikings and the Berry College faithful!
And the two turnovers turned into touchdowns in the last 30 seconds of the first half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on November 16, 2016, 06:07:45 PM
Good job Berry,
This was news to me.
If you have some idle time before Saturday....

http://www.wsj.com/articles/gender-gap-try-football-1479087946?emailToken=JRr8fv99YnqWi9Ywb8wz2VskY7NNBOaRA0/NPTXEPU/QvnXRpaf4m/pk34vo8D/x (http://www.wsj.com/articles/gender-gap-try-football-1479087946?emailToken=JRr8fv99YnqWi9Ywb8wz2VskY7NNBOaRA0/NPTXEPU/QvnXRpaf4m/pk34vo8D/x)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on December 16, 2016, 12:30:35 PM
Berry College has it's first All-American

Congrats to Mamadou Soumahoro.

http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/afca_all_am

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on December 18, 2016, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on December 16, 2016, 12:30:35 PM
Berry College has it's first All-American.  Congrats to Mamadou Soumahoro.

http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/afca_all_am

Congrats to Mamadou on 1st team selection by AFCA.  Well deserved.  Can't believe he's 2nd team on D3Football.com All-American team.  Mamadou racked 1st nationally in sacks, 7th in tackles for loss, 4th in forced fumbles, tied for 2nd in fumbles recovered and had several 'strip & score' plays.  Those selected 1st team DE aren't even close to those stats. 

While I'm griping, why did 3 teams from one conference gain entry to the playoffs.  It baffles me that an 8-3 3rd place team in the WIAC was in the playoffs while 9-1 Berry sat home.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2016, 02:49:37 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on December 18, 2016, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on December 16, 2016, 12:30:35 PM
Berry College has it's first All-American.  Congrats to Mamadou Soumahoro.

http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/afca_all_am

Congrats to Mamadou on 1st team selection by AFCA.  Well deserved.  Can't believe he's 2nd team on D3Football.com All-American team.  Mamadou racked 1st nationally in sacks, 7th in tackles for loss, 4th in forced fumbles, tied for 2nd in fumbles recovered and had several 'strip & score' plays.  Those selected 1st team DE aren't even close to those stats. 

While I'm griping, why did 3 teams from one conference gain entry to the playoffs.  It baffles me that an 8-3 3rd place team in the WIAC was in the playoffs while 9-1 Berry sat home.
Thank you for the opportunity to compare conferences as the Selection Committee might have.

(How many points do you give for home field advantage?)

That 3rd place team in the WIAC, (UW-Platteville) lost on the road 22-13 to the Stagg Bowl finalist, UW-Oshkosh.

They lost at home by 6 points to the WIAC champion, UW-Whitewater, which made it to the Quarterfinals.

Then they lost on the road in the first round by one point at St John's (32-31).

Your SAA co-champ WashUStL (which beat Berry) lost at UW-Oshkosh 46-13.

These comparative scores give us a good idea of the relative strengths of the various conferences.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on February 03, 2017, 11:25:22 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2016, 02:49:37 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on December 18, 2016, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on December 16, 2016, 12:30:35 PM
Berry College has it's first All-American.  Congrats to Mamadou Soumahoro.

http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/afca_all_am

Congrats to Mamadou on 1st team selection by AFCA.  Well deserved.  Can't believe he's 2nd team on D3Football.com All-American team.  Mamadou racked 1st nationally in sacks, 7th in tackles for loss, 4th in forced fumbles, tied for 2nd in fumbles recovered and had several 'strip & score' plays.  Those selected 1st team DE aren't even close to those stats. 

While I'm griping, why did 3 teams from one conference gain entry to the playoffs.  It baffles me that an 8-3 3rd place team in the WIAC was in the playoffs while 9-1 Berry sat home.
Thank you for the opportunity to compare conferences as the Selection Committee might have.

(How many points do you give for home field advantage?)

That 3rd place team in the WIAC, (UW-Platteville) lost on the road 22-13 to the Stagg Bowl finalist, UW-Oshkosh.

They lost at home by 6 points to the WIAC champion, UW-Whitewater, which made it to the Quarterfinals.

Then they lost on the road in the first round by one point at St John's (32-31).

Your SAA co-champ WashUStL (which beat Berry) lost at UW-Oshkosh 46-13.

These comparative scores give us a good idea of the relative strengths of the various conferences.

Platteville was the right pick and in a head to head would win handily versus Berry. There's a reason the WIAC is the best conference in the country. Yes, Berry has a nice defense, but they would not be able to keep up with UWP in all phases of the game. The 4-6 UChicago team had Berry firmly on the ropes in the 4th quarter this past year.
Not belittling Berry on this one, they are clearly on the rise and could be a player on the national scene soon. But comparing WIAC to SAA is not even close. For one, the WIAC actually plays defense.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on February 03, 2017, 01:32:46 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 03, 2017, 11:25:22 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2016, 02:49:37 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on December 18, 2016, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on December 16, 2016, 12:30:35 PM
Berry College has it's first All-American.  Congrats to Mamadou Soumahoro.

http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/afca_all_am

Congrats to Mamadou on 1st team selection by AFCA.  Well deserved.  Can't believe he's 2nd team on D3Football.com All-American team.  Mamadou racked 1st nationally in sacks, 7th in tackles for loss, 4th in forced fumbles, tied for 2nd in fumbles recovered and had several 'strip & score' plays.  Those selected 1st team DE aren't even close to those stats. 

While I'm griping, why did 3 teams from one conference gain entry to the playoffs.  It baffles me that an 8-3 3rd place team in the WIAC was in the playoffs while 9-1 Berry sat home.
Thank you for the opportunity to compare conferences as the Selection Committee might have.

(How many points do you give for home field advantage?)

That 3rd place team in the WIAC, (UW-Platteville) lost on the road 22-13 to the Stagg Bowl finalist, UW-Oshkosh.

They lost at home by 6 points to the WIAC champion, UW-Whitewater, which made it to the Quarterfinals.

Then they lost on the road in the first round by one point at St John's (32-31).

Your SAA co-champ WashUStL (which beat Berry) lost at UW-Oshkosh 46-13.

These comparative scores give us a good idea of the relative strengths of the various conferences.

Platteville was the right pick and in a head to head would win handily versus Berry. There's a reason the WIAC is the best conference in the country. Yes, Berry has a nice defense, but they would not be able to keep up with UWP in all phases of the game. The 4-6 UChicago team had Berry firmly on the ropes in the 4th quarter this past year.
Not belittling Berry on this one, they are clearly on the rise and could be a player on the national scene soon. But comparing WIAC to SAA is not even close. For one, the WIAC actually plays defense.

We'll have to see how bad the 5th year hangover will be for Berry.  Hopefully they are much better after the first class leaves than LaGrange was.  Personally, I think they'll be ok even with graduating all that production. If they can get through this next year relatively well, they have the chance to be a perennial Top 25 team. Great location, great facilities, obvious fan support at home games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on February 06, 2017, 07:19:56 PM
Sewanee coach Tommy Laurendine resigned today.   This comes on the heels of an 0-10 season in 2016 and a 15-45 career record on the Mountain.

Link to press release:
http://sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/20170206ilznhv (http://sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/20170206ilznhv)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 06, 2017, 07:35:36 PM
Huh. Strange time to resign. Wonder if recruiting was not going well or he got an escape from a situation that wasn't improving.  Release sounds like the latter.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on February 07, 2017, 03:28:03 PM
Agreed.    Made even more odd when one notes that our Board of Regents was on the Mountain up through Monday.   Of course, people accuse me of being a latent conspiracy theorist.  :)

Our administration likes to get as much marketing capital out of our program's history as they can without putting any real investment into the product produced by the current generation.  Result: our last wining season was in 2000.

The other thing I hear quite often is that you can't recruit players with talent into a school like Sewanee without sacrificing academic standards.  That one, I always point them at W&L, Centre, and WashU and ask why are kicking our tails in football and staying ahead us in the many academic rankings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 07, 2017, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on February 07, 2017, 03:28:03 PM
Agreed.    Made even more odd when one notes that our Board of Regents was on the Mountain up through Monday.   Of course, people accuse me of being a latent conspiracy theorist.  :)

Our administration likes to get as much marketing capital out of our program's history as they can without putting any real investment into the product produced by the current generation.  Result: our last wining season was in 2000.

The other thing I hear quite often is that you can't recruit players with talent into a school like Sewanee without sacrificing academic standards.  That one, I always point them at W&L, Centre, and WashU and ask why are kicking our tails in football and staying ahead us in the many academic rankings.

I think there is a limit. For example, Wash U, CMU, and JHU are significantly larger schools. This goes back many years, but I graduated with a guy who went to JHU to play football. He was in the top 1/3 of the class of 300 seniors, but nothing really special academically. He was a pretty good football player and I know he played for at least 2 or 3 years for the Blue Jays. I knew a girl who was in the top 10% of my graduating class who was rejected from JHU the same year. Academically special, but few extra curriculars. I think it is easier to do that kind of thing at JHU, CMU, Wash U and the other 5000+ enrollment high ranking schools than W&L, Centre, Sewanee and the other non-NESCAC small elite liberal arts schools. If you do that with too many athletes, it doesn't take much to show up in a class of 300 or 400 students in a way it doesn't show up in a class of 1000.

All that said, however, Sewanee can certainly do better. There really isn't an excuse, but it probably will take some money and some grace on the admissions side.

Collegecalc.org says the average net cost of attending Centre in 2014/15 was $24,885. W&L was $20,700. And Sewanee was $25,414. Both Centre and Sewanee had sticker prices of around 45K, W&L's sticker was closer to $60K, but it didn't seem to be calculated exactly the same. Regardless, as you can see, what the kids pay, on average, is a lot less than the sticker, though Sewanee is still the highest. That might be part of the impediment.

Sewanee's numbers are in line with Rhodes, 28K net, and Berry, 24K net. However, Millsaps at 21K net and BSC at 22K net plus Hendrix, which is not in the same format, all appear less than Sewanee and more in line with W&L's net number.

I suspect money isn't the whole problem though. A pervasive losing culture simply makes it hard to recruit. I suspect the 16 years of futility has created a self-fulfilling kind of problem.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on February 22, 2017, 04:05:05 PM
According to this tweet Ben Fox, Huntingdon's Offensive Coordinator/QB Coach, has taken the same position at Centre.

https://twitter.com/CentreFootball/status/833875309195829248
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on March 09, 2017, 03:03:54 PM
I thought of an interesting off season topic:  ranking the quality of SAA school's foobball facilities.  I do think Berry is at the top, with Valhalla.  I have been to a game at Centre, which has a nice little stadium, but I hate the absence of a visitors "side." I would assume Hendrix has nice facilities, but again I think only seating on one side of the filed, which is just not ideal.  I would be interested to read other's opinions.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on March 09, 2017, 04:08:16 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on March 09, 2017, 03:03:54 PM
I thought of an interesting off season topic:  ranking the quality of SAA school's foobball facilities.  I do think Berry is at the top, with Valhalla.  I have been to a game at Centre, which has a nice little stadium, but I hate the absence of a visitors "side." I would assume Hendrix has nice facilities, but again I think only seating on one side of the filed, which is just not ideal.  I would be interested to read other's opinions.

Let's see. Sewanee is rooted in history and a lovely stone structure. Much improved since the turf got put down. I'm quite partial to BSC since I can park my motor home behind the end zone and look down into the field. However, the stands are tiny and all on one side. The band fills half the dang stands which is a problem at Homecoming. I haven't been to Centre in probably 20 years. I liked both my visits, but as noted it is one side only. Haven't been to Berry or Hendricks. Trinity is a wreck although they might have a new stadium on the board? Millsaps is nothing special. Those narrow stands on either side I find uncomfortable. Plus I always feel like those buildings are looming over me. I went to Rhodes a very long time ago, but quite frankly remember nothing about it.

Of the ones I've been to and remember, I'll give it to Sewanee. That old stone stadium is just so different from just about everywhere else in DIII. Now that the surface is actually playable, they are just missing a team. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to Berry. Can't imagine any reason I'll get out to Hendrix.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2017, 11:04:55 PM
No changes to the field at Trinity.   Plans have been drawn up for a replacement but funds have yet to be raised.   I've been told it's the next priority after the ongoing athletic center expansion/refurb is done (2018 or 9) but have heard something similar so many times that I have low confidence it will happen.  v
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on March 10, 2017, 08:09:40 AM
BSC is nice, although that's not surprising as the entire campus is beautiful.

Berry is very nice. Probably the best bathrooms this side of the Mississippi. I can do without the track around the field. You're too far away from the action, but if you have a track team, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Berry would be Numero Uno for any small college I've been too (Hampden Sydney has a nice layout) if it wasn't a dry campus. You have to knock back a couple cold ones when it's Week 1 and 90 degrees.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on March 10, 2017, 02:51:43 PM
Sewanee hires Illinois Wesleyan defensive coordinator Travis Rundle as our next head coach:
http://www.sewanee.edu/newstoday/top-stories-homepage/rundle-football-coach.php (http://www.sewanee.edu/newstoday/top-stories-homepage/rundle-football-coach.php)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on April 20, 2017, 08:07:32 PM
What kind of Spring game is Centre having on May 20?


https://twitter.com/CentreFootball/status/855192563086749698 (https://twitter.com/CentreFootball/status/855192563086749698)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on April 20, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
Probably like Maryville--glorified practice/2 hand touch junior visit day. Pretty much an open spring practice with game jerseys on.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2017, 12:08:59 AM
No, I believe Centre is playing an overseas game this summer which means they get 10 padded practices as preparation and can play a spring game as one of those.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HansenRatings on June 14, 2017, 01:38:36 PM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.


Team   Rating   Overall   Conference
Centre      0.8395   8.6-1.4   6.6-1.4
Hendrix      0.7671   6.7-2.3   6.0-2.0
Berry      0.6723   6.7-3.3   5.4-2.6
Trinity      0.5404   4.8-5.2   4.3-3.7
Rhodes      0.5191   5.0-5.0   4.1-3.9
Millsaps   0.4602   4.2-4.8   3.7-4.3
BSC      0.2872   3.0-7.0   2.4-5.6
Austin      0.2678   2.3-5.7   2.3-5.7
Sewanee   0.1582   1.8-8.2   1.2-6.8

Hendrix had one of the best offenses in the country last season, but are losing probably the two biggest reasons for that, so I think Centre should be considered a relatively large favorite (~40% chance of getting the Pool A bid). Berry definitely plays a tougher non-conference schedule than Centre, so maybe that helps, but I did a study last year that showed that the relative strength of a team's non-conference slate had no bearing on whether they improved or regressed throughout the remainder of the season, so probably not.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on June 22, 2017, 02:11:48 PM
Hey, y'all. I'm the newest youngster to the board. I recently graduated this spring after playing in the SAA for four years. Looking forward to watching what happens in a somewhat wide open conference race this year!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on June 22, 2017, 02:25:52 PM
Welcome. This isn't the most active board. Hopefully it will pick up. The SAA schools are some of my favorite DIII institutions. I've been to all of the football playing schools except Berry, Hendrix and now Trinity. Might get to Berry one of these days.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on June 22, 2017, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 22, 2017, 02:25:52 PM
Welcome. This isn't the most active board. Hopefully it will pick up. The SAA schools are some of my favorite DIII institutions. I've been to all of the football playing schools except Berry, Hendrix and now Trinity. Might get to Berry one of these days.

This needs to be a trip you make pretty soon.  Very nice. Just hide your beverages and cigars in the tailgate area.

albatross, welcome. You'll notice the USA South board has become a graveyard recently. ODAC/SAA/USAC have quite a few OOC games so there's always a discussion open.

Where did you play?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2017, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: albatross on June 22, 2017, 02:11:48 PM
Hey, y'all. I'm the newest youngster to the board. I recently graduated this spring after playing in the SAA for four years. Looking forward to watching what happens in a somewhat wide open conference race this year!
Welcome!  Glad to have former players on the boards. +1!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on June 22, 2017, 09:07:25 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on June 22, 2017, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 22, 2017, 02:25:52 PM
Welcome. This isn't the most active board. Hopefully it will pick up. The SAA schools are some of my favorite DIII institutions. I've been to all of the football playing schools except Berry, Hendrix and now Trinity. Might get to Berry one of these days.

This needs to be a trip you make pretty soon.  Very nice. Just hide your beverages and cigars in the tailgate area.

albatross, welcome. You'll notice the USA South board has become a graveyard recently. ODAC/SAA/USAC have quite a few OOC games so there's always a discussion open.

Where did you play?

I played at Hendrix. Part of the inaugural team, actually!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: GillCJ1 on June 23, 2017, 08:22:24 AM
Quote from: albatross on June 22, 2017, 02:11:48 PM
Hey, y'all. I'm the newest youngster to the board. I recently graduated this spring after playing in the SAA for four years. Looking forward to watching what happens in a somewhat wide open conference race this year!

Welcome!  Great to see a new face around here.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 23, 2017, 11:55:25 AM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on June 23, 2017, 08:22:24 AM
Quote from: albatross on June 22, 2017, 02:11:48 PM
Hey, y'all. I'm the newest youngster to the board. I recently graduated this spring after playing in the SAA for four years. Looking forward to watching what happens in a somewhat wide open conference race this year!

Welcome!  Great to see a new face around here.

Ditto - welcome albatross.   Y'all did some good work at Hendrix the last four years.

With the two SCAC schools joining there may be a little more banter this year - even if it's only RooCru and myself.  ;)  Oh, plus Ralph Turner, a fan of all things D3 in Texas. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on June 23, 2017, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 23, 2017, 11:55:25 AM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on June 23, 2017, 08:22:24 AM
Quote from: albatross on June 22, 2017, 02:11:48 PM
Hey, y'all. I'm the newest youngster to the board. I recently graduated this spring after playing in the SAA for four years. Looking forward to watching what happens in a somewhat wide open conference race this year!

Welcome!  Great to see a new face around here.

Ditto - welcome albatross.   Y'all did some good work at Hendrix the last four years.

With the two SCAC schools joining there may be a little more banter this year - even if it's only RooCru and myself.  ;)  Oh, plus Ralph Turner, a fan of all things D3 in Texas.

Thanks. It was a fun ride. I'm a native Texan too and have buddies/coaches that have played for most of the D3 schools in Texas. Really interested to see how the two SCAC schools will mesh with the SAA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on June 24, 2017, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 23, 2017, 11:55:25 AM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on June 23, 2017, 08:22:24 AM
Quote from: albatross on June 22, 2017, 02:11:48 PM
Hey, y'all. I'm the newest youngster to the board. I recently graduated this spring after playing in the SAA for four years. Looking forward to watching what happens in a somewhat wide open conference race this year!

Welcome!  Great to see a new face around here.

Ditto - welcome albatross.   Y'all did some good work at Hendrix the last four years.

With the two SCAC schools joining there may be a little more banter this year - even if it's only RooCru and myself.  ;)  Oh, plus Ralph Turner, a fan of all things D3 in Texas.

Amen!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 27, 2017, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: albatross on June 23, 2017, 04:00:05 PM
Thanks. It was a fun ride. I'm a native Texan too and have buddies/coaches that have played for most of the D3 schools in Texas. Really interested to see how the two SCAC schools will mesh with the SAA.

It was just before your time, but the SAA schools (except for Berry) all used to be part of the SCAC.  They should fit right back in.   

It will be good to renew some of the old rivalries and make new ones.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 28, 2017, 10:42:07 AM
I'm glad to see Trinity and Austin join the SAA for football as I've thought the SAA was a bit bland without them.

I'm thinking that the Trinity/Berry match-up may turn into an interesting rivalry.   The attitude in Rome (the Georgia version, that is) is a lot like what it was like in San Antonio when Trinity was on top of the table in the old SCAC.

No real expectations for success this year for our kids on the Mountain.   Not certain how things will go for our new coach given what he has to work with from the prior regime.    Hope does spring eternal, tho'... everybody's undefeated at this point in the season! :-)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on June 28, 2017, 04:31:22 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on June 28, 2017, 10:42:07 AM
I'm glad to see Trinity and Austin join the SAA for football as I've thought the SAA was a bit bland without them.

I'm thinking that the Trinity/Berry match-up may turn into an interesting rivalry.   The attitude in Rome (the Georgia version, that is) is a lot like what it was like in San Antonio when Trinity was on top of the table in the old SCAC.

No real expectations for success this year for our kids on the Mountain.   Not certain how things will go for our new coach given what he has to work with from the prior regime.    Hope does spring eternal, tho'... everybody's undefeated at this point in the season! :-)

Interestingly enough, Hendrix-Austin College has become a bit of a rivalry game already. Split the series 2-2 over the past four years, there are a lot of Texas kids on the HDX roster, and many coaches for Hendrix played or coached at AC at some point.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 29, 2017, 03:15:13 PM
Trinity today announced the hiring of Michael Clark as strength coach.   Clark held similar positions with the Seattle Seahawks, Chicago Bears, Kansas City Chiefs, and Seattle Seahawks, and won the league's Strength Coach of the Year award three times.     I believe his time in KC and Seattle overlapped at least some of Coach Urban's time with those clubs. 

http://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/170606_mike_clark
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on July 11, 2017, 09:44:18 AM
The SAA will have to prove itself once again based on the pre-season Top 25. Pretty surprised Berry received so many votes - just about every team graduated a lot of players it seems. There are a lot of unanswered questions for the league this year. Could be a wide open race between 4 or so teams...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on July 11, 2017, 10:46:06 AM
Berry does have a lot of talent coming back ... but also some holes ... esp on the line ...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HansenRatings on July 11, 2017, 11:26:52 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on July 11, 2017, 10:46:06 AM
Berry does have a lot of talent coming back ... but also some holes ... esp on the line ...

Surprisingly, the value of a returning starter on the O-Line doesn't appear to be as important as most people think:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FeqzTFBV.png&hash=b54e48775570ae9724cb0cf1023411ad0aba0e8d)

I'm pretty skeptical of my own results here, but I'm just trying to give y'all some optimism. You can read about the full analysis here (http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/single-post/2016/08/31/The-Value-of-Experience).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 11, 2017, 11:38:33 AM
Hansen, thank you for the analysis.  Just curious (and wanting more information... :)  )

What is the "n" of your analysis of returning OL, etc. ? (How many teams each year?)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HansenRatings on July 11, 2017, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 11, 2017, 11:38:33 AM
Hansen, thank you for the analysis.  Just curious (and wanting more information... :)  )

What is the "n" of your analysis of returning OL, etc. ? (How many teams each year?)

The sample is about 40 teams/year, and it's not a random sample--it's teams receiving votes in the preseason Top 25
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cciw83 on July 11, 2017, 02:47:15 PM
Rough/sad news for Berry. An incoming freshman OL died from injuries suffered in diving off a waterfall cliff in AL over the weekend. Article in Atlanta Journal-Constitution - did not link.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on July 12, 2017, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: cciw83 on July 11, 2017, 02:47:15 PM
Rough/sad news for Berry. An incoming freshman OL died from injuries suffered in diving off a waterfall cliff in AL over the weekend. Article in Atlanta Journal-Constitution - did not link.

Uggh. That is very sad news. I've been to High Falls a few times. It's a beautiful area but I would not jump from the top. The landing zones are small and you have to hit it perfectly. With the rain we've had, maybe he thought he had more margin for error, but the rocks are not forgiving in that area. Very, very sad to hear of a young life cut short.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 14, 2017, 08:53:00 AM
Quote from: HansenRatings on July 11, 2017, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 11, 2017, 11:38:33 AM
Hansen, thank you for the analysis.  Just curious (and wanting more information... :)  )

What is the "n" of your analysis of returning OL, etc. ? (How many teams each year?)

The sample is about 40 teams/year, and it's not a random sample--it's teams receiving votes in the preseason Top 25
In any case, the information is valuable in understanding the top programs where consistency and stability have been a major factor. 

Off hand, the same 30 programs are in the Top 40 every year. Thank you.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on July 14, 2017, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: jknezek on July 12, 2017, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: cciw83 on July 11, 2017, 02:47:15 PM
Rough/sad news for Berry. An incoming freshman OL died from injuries suffered in diving off a waterfall cliff in AL over the weekend. Article in Atlanta Journal-Constitution - did not link.

Uggh. That is very sad news. I've been to High Falls a few times. It's a beautiful area but I would not jump from the top. The landing zones are small and you have to hit it perfectly. With the rain we've had, maybe he thought he had more margin for error, but the rocks are not forgiving in that area. Very, very sad to hear of a young life cut short.

Yes it was very sad news.  While the group was jumping at the time, reports are that the injury came as an accidental slip with him hitting his head on the way down into the water.  Please keep his family in your prayers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on July 14, 2017, 04:28:06 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 14, 2017, 08:53:00 AM
Quote from: HansenRatings on July 11, 2017, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 11, 2017, 11:38:33 AM
Hansen, thank you for the analysis.  Just curious (and wanting more information... :)  )

What is the "n" of your analysis of returning OL, etc. ? (How many teams each year?)

The sample is about 40 teams/year, and it's not a random sample--it's teams receiving votes in the preseason Top 25
In any case, the information is valuable in understanding the top programs where consistency and stability have been a major factor. 

Off hand, the same 30 programs are in the Top 40 every year. Thank you.

I saw something very similar related to HS teams.  It shows very similar results.  The consistency of teams year in and year out seem to help alleviate changing of players.  If a team is consistently  good then player changes don't account for W/L changes.  Similarly for teams that are consistently bad.  Teams that did change with coming and going of players were typically on average 4-6 in their regions and occasionally jumped up into the play offs.  I tried to go back and find that study, but I can't locate it again.

It is hard to know what factors contribute to stability, probably location, coaching quality and financial support.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on July 24, 2017, 04:33:59 PM
Berry hired Colin Duling from Northern Illinois.  At NIU he worked with QBs and WRs. 

http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/duling_hire
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 27, 2017, 08:13:33 PM
Per a tweet from HC Jerheme Urban (https://twitter.com/JerhemeUrban83/status/890692284215439360), Trinity today named former TLU DB Adam McGuire as assistant coach for DBs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on July 28, 2017, 11:43:17 AM
There's going to be a bit of turnover on the Hendrix Coaching staff this season. The nucleus is still in place but there are some new assistants are coming on board, some old players are staying as coaches, and a new D coordinator will take the reins. I imagine there will be one big press release closer to fall camp to sort of summarize it all...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on July 30, 2017, 12:13:58 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on July 11, 2017, 10:46:06 AM
Berry does have a lot of talent coming back ... but also some holes ... esp on the line ...

OL was not a strength last year.  Not a knock on personnel, but not a believer in 2 point stance on OL.  DL has advantage playing at lower pad levels and drive OL back.  OL is constantly on their heels.  QB was forced to scramble alot, as evidenced by he was leading rusher last year.  RB's often got stuffed in short yardage situations.  Just not a fan of that OL philosophy.  Sometimes ya just have to line up, get low and play smash mouth football.

But the Vikings do have some talent coming back, especially at offensive skill positions.  Lost a lot of seniors on defense, but do have All-American DE Soumahoro coming back.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 06, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
Congrats to Soumaharo on the Pre-Season All-American honor.

When is the last time (if at all) a "traditional SAA" player made a pre-season first-team list?

It's a poor descriptor, but by "traditional" I mean: coming from an inaugural, all-sport member (no Wash U., Chicago, Trinity, etc.) and in the SAA era (no SCAC, for example).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 07, 2017, 10:08:17 PM
2012:  Shawn Morris, Sr., Birmingham-Southern, RB

Then again, he was "tainted" by playing in the SCAC the prior three seasons.   I didn't see any "traditional SAA" player named to the first team before Soumaharo - congrats to him on the honor.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 09, 2017, 04:29:49 PM
A few months back someone mentioned "offseason rankings" of some kind. Stadium rankings are fun, but in a conference like the SAA it can be hard to do. In my recent playing experience, I have found that there are some that stand out, and some that need a little TLC. Sometimes stadium rankings get people riled up, so I am going to try and do my best to be fair and positive!

Note: for now, I figure I'll just mention the best in the league - in alphabetical order (with hyperlinks that I hope work)

Standouts

Berry - Valhalla Stadium http://www.berryvikings.com/information/Facilities/facility_pages/valhalla

The Vikings get to play in one of the coolest stadiums in the SAA. The actual structure (see: press box, exposed metal supports in the back) itself isn't that pretty, but the natural backdrop, sound system, and turf are top-notch. Berry has a much larger student enrollment (along with Trinity and Rhodes) than most of the conference, so the larger grandstands are usually full with a fantastic and loud crowd. The plaza area and concourses are also great and well laid out. Bonus points for the tunnel entrance for the team and the random deer that often appear. Food for thought: I understand that Valhalla is the viking afterlife, but do you really want to send players out on a field named for a place for dead vikings?! Only kidding...sort of...

Birmingham Southern - Krulak Stadium http://www.bscsports.net/facilities/krulak_stadium/index

This stadium sometimes flies under the radar, but I have always loved playing on the road there. Sunken into a hill, the actual stadium has a very modern feel and pretty cool design. The press box/entry-level concourse is pretty unique, too. The hill overlooking the wall in the endzone is the home of dedicated tailgaters and the locker room and training facilities attached are pretty nice. The stadium is just the right size for the school. Bonus points for having an actual marching band. I think they are the only school to have one (Berry has a drumline, Hendrix has a pep band in the stands, and Centre and Austin have on/off again pep bands).

Hendrix - Young-Wise Memorial Stadium http://www.hendrixwarriors.com/sports/2013/11/2/FB_1102131306.aspx?id=60

I am biased here but I think Hendrix has a beautiful stadium when compared to the rest of the conference. The red brick, accenting, and even the roof match a lot of the academic buildings on campus, and it is cornered by the glass ceiling of the aquatics center and the Sturgis Building, which has the bridge entrance and houses the football locker/training facilities (complete with floor to ceiling windows that overlook the field). The new turf is among the best in the conference, and the press box is pretty nice, and we even have a two luxury suites on either side of the stadium that open up to outdoor patios. Cons? The sun will be a nuisance with the trusty SAA-mandated 1PM kickoff, and the soundsystem is never really used to its full potential. One of the coolest parts of the stadium is the back that houses the memorial plaza dedicated to Hendrix alumni who died for our country. One statue has been a campus fixture and honors the bravery of a WW1 soldier, and the other sculptures were specially commissioned from an artist in Boston. An HDX professor even wrote the poem that graces the plaza (pictures are on the linked page).

Sewanee - Harris Stadium http://sewaneetigers.com/Facilities/Harris_Stadium_at_Hardee-McGee_Field

It's hard to match the history and atmosphere on the Mountain. I absolutely loved ending the season at Sewanee. A game in the fall meant beautiful leaves, awesome weather, and good Southern cookin' when the clock hit zero! The tradition and the original stone structure easily help you overlook an "older" press box. No list can be complete without it! Not much more needs to be said here...

Honorable Mention

Centre - Farris Stadium http://centrecolonels.com/information/facilities/football_field

The actual stadium isn't a looker, but the atmosphere is very special. The white fencing and the athletic facility in the endzone almost give it a sort of 50's vibe. We typically played there in the fall when the leaves were turning, too. When I was a freshman in 2013 and we were still looking  for that elusive first road win, Farris was intimidating. Oddity: the press box is not aligned with the 50 yard line and that always messed me up when I tried to gauge field position. Not exactly "centre" ... (I'll be here all week)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 09, 2017, 07:06:44 PM
 A very good list. I haven't been to Berry or Hendrix, Trinity or Austin College, but I've been to the rest of the SAA. Birmingham Southern is my "home" DIII, though not my alma mater. You can find us usually twice a year parked on the hill overlooking the endzone in our baby puke yellow 1976 GMC motorhome with a tent, grill, loads of friends we sucker along, and kids sliding down the hill on pieces of cardboard. It's a great place to watch a game.

I get to Sewanee every other year when W&L comes to visit. Thankful I get to see my alma mater within a 3 hour drive. On the off years it is 5+ to Emory & Henry. Love the old stone stadium though it generally rains on me. The place is much improved by the turf field. The old grass field never survived the weather and pounding. I also give the school credit for having the students involved and the great tailgate just outside the stadium.

I don't have great memories of Centre. We usually lose there. But the few times I've gone it is more than serviceable. A very nice stadium, usually well supported.

I do need to get to Berry one of these days. Just waiting for a good reason. Maybe an ODAC team visiting or a home playoff game or a highly rated OOC opponent. We'll see. I'm sure it will happen.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 20, 2017, 01:22:48 PM
For those wanting a better view of the Hendrix stadium and the veterans memorial, here are better pictures from the architect's website...

[url]http://fennellpurifoy.com/portfolio/hendrix-college-young-wise-memorial-stadium//url]
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2017, 09:33:00 PM
Quote from: albatross on August 20, 2017, 01:22:48 PM
For those wanting a better view of the Hendrix stadium and the veterans memorial, here are better pictures from the architect's website...

http://fennellpurifoy.com/portfolio/hendrix-college-young-wise-memorial-stadium/ (http://fennellpurifoy.com/portfolio/hendrix-college-young-wise-memorial-stadium/)
I have corrected the hyperlink. Thanks for the update.  +1!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 23, 2017, 07:57:35 AM
Kickoff has arrived and it is well done, per usual! Predicting a league that has never had a back-to-back champion has to be tough...

I'm really interested in how far apart Berry and Hendrix are ranked despite keeping pace with each other for the past four years (Hendrix getting the jump in years 2 and 3, Berry leap-frogging in 4). Hendrix leaves a lot of talent behind like Berry, but the QB position and many senior leaders have departed. If Hendrix can keep healthy and acquire some chemistry on the o-line, I think they will surprise a few people!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on August 23, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
We'll have to see how Berry and Hendrix play out in year 5. Will they go the LaGrange route and become mediocre (highly unlikely), the CNU route and consistently win on a region level (probable), or go the UMHB route and compete on the national stage for a decade (jury's still out)?

Berry has done a good job of mixing in guys as the come on campus, so it's not like they are without experienced players. Graduation is taking a toll on production, but that's the life of a new program. Personally, I think 9-1 is a little ambitious. I'd say they'll digress back to year 3 at 7-3 although some of the games won't be as close as they were in 2015. Maybe 8-2.

Can't really speak on Hendrix, but moving forward I'd say they'll be in the mix every year for the SAA title with Centre and Berry.  I'm excited for the season opener vs. Berry. They travel well and Honaker Field will be packed. MC's AD might look into getting some portable stands to move into the corners nearest the trees to accommodate the crowd.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on August 23, 2017, 12:33:49 PM
I am excited about the new season.  I haven't had much experience with the teams and have been to a few locations.  Favorite road trip so far was Sewanee, but I haven't been there when the fog rolled in.

Looking forward to Birmingham Southern trip this year.  What's the best food close to campus there?

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on August 23, 2017, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on July 30, 2017, 12:13:58 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on July 11, 2017, 10:46:06 AM
Berry does have a lot of talent coming back ... but also some holes ... esp on the line ...

OL was not a strength last year.  Not a knock on personnel, but not a believer in 2 point stance on OL.  DL has advantage playing at lower pad levels and drive OL back.  OL is constantly on their heels.  QB was forced to scramble alot, as evidenced by he was leading rusher last year.  RB's often got stuffed in short yardage situations.  Just not a fan of that OL philosophy.  Sometimes ya just have to line up, get low and play smash mouth football.

But the Vikings do have some talent coming back, especially at offensive skill positions.  Lost a lot of seniors on defense, but do have All-American DE Soumahoro coming back.

I follow Paul Johnson, who's now at Ga Tech, he obviously believes in lower pad level.  He's been coaching it for years and has won a ton of games controlling the line of scrimmage and the clock.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 23, 2017, 12:46:31 PM
B-SC is a gorgeous campus in a not so pretty area of town. Food depends on what kind you want, what you mean by close, and when you are going to be there. For example, Saw's BBQ in Homewood is 20 minutes away and really good, but it's a BBQ hole in the wall. Highlands or Hot and Hot Fish Club are 15 minutes away in Five Points Birmingham and some of the best Southern high class food you will get anywhere, but they are expensive dinner joints and you will need reservations.

If you are more in line with small chain type places, you can eat yourself sick at Texas de Brasil, a Brazilian Steakhouse about 15 minutes from campus in the Entertainment District, or in the same area you can grab some serious burgers at Mugshots. If you want fine southern food but don't want to deal with reservations, you can try John's City Diner, downtown Birmingham. The name is a misnomer as it is a white tablecloth place, but order the Mac and Cheese.

If you simply must have pizza, I'd say take the trip to Avondale, about 20 minutes from campus and grab Post Office Pies. Avondale brewery is right next store as well.

Finally, if you want to travel a bit, you can go about 20 or 25 minutes from campus to The Bright Star in Bessemer AL. Southern and Greek food, the place has been there for around 100 years and is the only part of Bessemer worth visiting.

Lots of other options depending on what you want. Birmingham is a bit of a foodie destination. Unfortunately, not much is walking distance from campus. BSC is a beautiful oasis on basically the wrong side of the tracks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on August 24, 2017, 09:13:28 AM
Finalized my plans to be at the Maryville game next weekend.  I am excited, and think this should be  a very interesting game.  The game last year was amazing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on August 24, 2017, 10:10:54 AM
Still a bad taste in our mouths. Rolling in the 2nd quarter up 19-7 and then the wheels seem to fall off. 4 INTs, 3 lost fumbles, 2 missed PATs, and missed FG gets you beat any Saturday.  Had 2 chances late in the game  to win it--intercepted a 2 point conversion and got caught from behind on the side line, then we had a mismatch with a WR and a LB in the middle of the field and the LB grabbed a handful of face mask to keep our guy from catching the ball. Smart move by the LB, but still...didn't help our cause.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on August 24, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
The officiating in that game was ... interesting.  Our running back was ejected, and would have had to miss part of the next game, but the call was later overturned.  Y'all kicked our butts three years in a row .... seems we may be more evenly matched these days.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 24, 2017, 11:50:49 AM
Hendrix doesn't have a powerhouse match-up in Week 1, but it does have an in-state rivalry game with Lyon College (NAIA). The two schools compete for the "Scotzilla Trophy," which we won last year. The series is 2-0 Hendrix.

The trophy is unique, quirky, and fits in D3 sports. It's a concept formed by marrying Lyon's mascot (the Scots) and Godzilla, a subject on which Hendrix's president (Dr. William Tsutsui) is the world's leading academic expert.

Trophy picture attached...

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 24, 2017, 11:57:04 AM
Quote from: albatross on August 24, 2017, 11:50:49 AM
Hendrix doesn't have a powerhouse match-up in Week 1, but it does have an in-state rivalry game with Lyon College (NAIA). The two schools compete for the "Scotzilla Trophy," which we won last year. The series is 2-0 Hendrix.

The trophy is unique, quirky, and fits in D3 sports. It's a concept formed by marrying Lyon's mascot (the Scots) and Godzilla, a subject on which Hendrix's president (Dr. William Tsutsui) is the world's leading academic expert.

Trophy picture attached...

And of course, the celebratory picture...(with Dr. Tsutsui getting to hold the trophy with Coach Buck!)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2017, 10:42:21 AM
Week 1 schedule:

Millsaps at Belhaven (Thursday night)
Berry at Maryville TN
Kenyon at Sewanee
Centre at Hanover
BSC at LaGrange
Austin at (NAIA) Bacone
(NAIA) Lyon at Hendrix
Rhodes at Willamette
Trinity at Redlands
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 31, 2017, 09:54:58 AM
Lot of good opportunities for the conference here. Good out-of-conference teams (Maryville, Redlands), scholarship programs (Bacone, Lyon), and other regional teams the conference needs to start beating if we want to better shape going forward (Belhaven, Lagrange)...

Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2017, 10:42:21 AM
Week 1 schedule:

Millsaps at Belhaven (Thursday night)
Berry at Maryville TN
Kenyon at Sewanee
Centre at Hanover
BSC at LaGrange
Austin at (NAIA) Bacone
(NAIA) Lyon at Hendrix
Rhodes at Willamette
Trinity at Redlands
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 01, 2017, 02:56:01 PM
Hendrix has some players from the Houston area and even more from Texas in general. They're collecting donations at the gates and concourses at the Battle for Scotzilla this weekend...

http://hendrixwarriors.com/news/2017/8/31/football-assistance-for-students-affected-by-hurricane-harvey-and-campus-relief-response.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2017, 08:08:54 AM
Week 1 results:
Belhaven 42 - Millsaps 37
Berry 31 - Maryville 24
Sewanee 45 -Kenyon 20
Centre 27  - Hanover 14
B-SC 29 - LaGrange 25
Austin 31 - Bacone 8
Hendrix 56 -Lyon 28
Rhodes 45 - Willamette 42
Redlands 32 - Trinity 7

Close road wins for Berry, B-SC, Centre, and Rhodes to start the season.   Millsaps drops the cross-town game with Belhaven.   Redlands appears to not had any problems with beating Trinity.   Sewanee breaks a long winless streak by beating Kenyon.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2017, 08:15:34 AM
An interesting fact from this year's schedule of games:  Sewanee's contest with Berry in the first weekend of October will the be the first time in the long history of Sewanee football that a game will be played under the lights at Harris-McGee Field.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 05, 2017, 08:48:27 AM
Great win for Berry on Saturday over Maryville.  I think we may have a rivalry on our hands.  The weather was awful, but the crowd was good as was the atmosphere.  I think the Maryville kid playing the bagpipe is quite cool.  The two teams seem pretty close to evenly matched, which made for an exciting game.  Maryville will do just fine in it's conference, which had an absolutely horrid weekend.

Berry defense looked really good.  I was concerned about the kicking game, but it also looked good.  Special team errors were costly and need to be addressed. Collins was a stud running the ball.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 05, 2017, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on September 05, 2017, 08:48:27 AM
Great win for Berry on Saturday over Maryville.  I think we may have a rivalry on our hands.  The weather was awful, but the crowd was good as was the atmosphere.  I think the Maryville kid playing the bagpipe is quite cool

the bagpiper should join forces with the Berry drumline!  8-)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 05, 2017, 09:28:12 AM
No doubt!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on September 05, 2017, 09:59:23 AM
I'm not sure if the bagpiper is a student or not, but we had a guy in our class that received a hefty amount of financial aid due to his piping skills. He could lay it down.
We used to have Knoxville Pipes and Drums perform before the Homecoming game and it was a sight to see. Precision does not do it justice.
I haven't been to, or online streamed, commencement in a couple years, but they have performed there are well.

MC used to have a marching band back in the day that would wear kilts.  Now we have a pep band with a bass guitar >:(. For all the emphasis the College places on the arts and a multi-million dollar concert venue (Clayton Center for the Arts), you'd think they'd have the interest/capabilities to have an actual marching band. If you want to see a small college band that does it right, look at Huntingdon. Don't need a big band...maybe 20 people.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 05, 2017, 10:09:09 AM
Quote from: Scots13 on September 05, 2017, 09:59:23 AM
I'm not sure if the bagpiper is a student or not, but we had a guy in our class that received a hefty amount of financial aid due to his piping skills. He could lay it down.
We used to have Knoxville Pipes and Drums perform before the Homecoming game and it was a sight to see. Precision does not do it justice.
I haven't been to, or online streamed, commencement in a couple years, but they have performed there are well.

MC used to have a marching band back in the day that would wear kilts.  Now we have a pep band with a bass guitar >:(. For all the emphasis the College places on the arts and a multi-million dollar concert venue (Clayton Center for the Arts), you'd think they'd have the interest/capabilities to have an actual marching band. If you want to see a small college band that does it right, look at Huntingdon. Don't need a big band...maybe 20 people.

Hasanova and I were admiring Huntingdon's band this weekend. Between the pre-game march, the halftime show, and the music throughout the game, they do an excellent job and it is huge. BSC has a small band that also does well. I'm surprised that both still also pipe in cheap music during the game. Let the band have it! It's why they are there.

Carnegie Mellon also has bagpipes. When my sister went, mid to late 90s, I used to enjoy listening to them. A very neat novelty but I'm not sure I'd want to be hearing them on a regular basis.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on September 05, 2017, 10:20:08 AM
Unlike Justin Beiber, they grow on you.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: GillCJ1 on September 05, 2017, 11:39:17 AM
Quote from: Scots13 on September 05, 2017, 09:59:23 AM
I'm not sure if the bagpiper is a student or not, but we had a guy in our class that received a hefty amount of financial aid due to his piping skills. He could lay it down.
We used to have Knoxville Pipes and Drums perform before the Homecoming game and it was a sight to see. Precision does not do it justice.
I haven't been to, or online streamed, commencement in a couple years, but they have performed there are well.

MC used to have a marching band back in the day that would wear kilts.  Now we have a pep band with a bass guitar >:(. For all the emphasis the College places on the arts and a multi-million dollar concert venue (Clayton Center for the Arts), you'd think they'd have the interest/capabilities to have an actual marching band. If you want to see a small college band that does it right, look at Huntingdon. Don't need a big band...maybe 20 people.

This is one of my main gripes with the UMHB gameday experience.  I think our group refers to themselves as a "Spirit" band.  They go out on the field during pre-game and at HT, but there is very little marching going on.  Mostly just swaying while the majorettes and Sader Belles do most of the moving around.  They aren't a huge band, but they have more than enough people to actually dress up in uniforms and march around.  I'm probably an outlier with my disappointment though, since I spent several years marching in very large bands in both high school and college (undergrad at Georgia Tech - I went to UMHB for my Masters).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on September 05, 2017, 12:06:59 PM
I think it's a huge issue with D3 programs in the Southeast where football is king. You go from high school games on Friday nights with the band, cheerleaders/dance team, some times majorettes getting everyone in the groove to Saturdays with nothing but the team on the field and a CD player. It is absolutely embarrassing that Maryville cannot find a student to sing the National Anthem in lieu of playing some overplayed CD.  Lack of effort in my book. Hell, Huntingdon's band played the National Anthem last year and the game was in Maryville!

I've said this to many people over the last few years, but it shouldn't be hard to get 25-30 kids that played in their high school band to play on Saturdays. Make it a work study or give the kids a few financial aid dollars.  I'd be in favor of inviting local high school bands to come play instead of not having one at all.

Just found online that Huntingdon's band is The Marching Scarlet and Grey and gives $11,500 to band members and $11,000 to color guard and majorettes. http://www.huntingdon.edu/academics/academic-programs/programs-of-study/music-and-music-education/the-marching-scarlet-grey/ (http://www.huntingdon.edu/academics/academic-programs/programs-of-study/music-and-music-education/the-marching-scarlet-grey/)
Well done.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 05, 2017, 12:32:31 PM
GillCJ1,

From my understanding when UMHB was attempting to field a marching band in years past, the numbers in the band were very small.

You would know better than me, but my understanding is that marching practice/preparation takes up a lot of time during the week. Since UMHB does not have a band program, per se, few kids seemed willing to commit to the necessary time investment required to have a good halftime show. So, there was an attempt/experiment to have a band that only plays, but does not march - i.e. spirit band. It has been my observation that the numbers in the band have grown each year. The kids playing add to the game atmosphere and they seem to have a lot of fun.

The reality seems to be that if a kid is serious about being in a marching band he/she is going to go to a much larger school with a serious marching band.

I, for one, like seeing the band grow each year - the kids have fun - and the music they play during the game adds to the atmosphere. Prior, like I said, they were few in number and the marching - with so few - just seemed to be lacking. Just my two cents worth - if it's worth that much.  8-)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: GillCJ1 on September 05, 2017, 12:35:06 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on September 05, 2017, 12:06:59 PM
I think it's a huge issue with D3 programs in the Southeast where football is king. You go from high school games on Friday nights with the band, cheerleaders/dance team, some times majorettes getting everyone in the groove to Saturdays with nothing but the team on the field and a CD player. It is absolutely embarrassing that Maryville cannot find a student to sing the National Anthem in lieu of playing some overplayed CD.  Lack of effort in my book. Hell, Huntingdon's band played the National Anthem last year and the game was in Maryville!

I've said this to many people over the last few years, but it shouldn't be hard to get 25-30 kids that played in their high school band to play on Saturdays. Make it a work study or give the kids a few financial aid dollars.  I'd be in favor of inviting local high school bands to come play instead of not having one at all.

Just found online that Huntingdon's band is The Marching Scarlet and Grey and gives $11,500 to band members and $11,000 to color guard and majorettes. http://www.huntingdon.edu/academics/academic-programs/programs-of-study/music-and-music-education/the-marching-scarlet-grey/ (http://www.huntingdon.edu/academics/academic-programs/programs-of-study/music-and-music-education/the-marching-scarlet-grey/)

I will say, UMHB has no problem with things like the National Anthem.  We either have students/former students sing, or the band will play.  Also, once or twice a season we invite a local high school band to come and perform/play.  It definitely livens things up.  I wish there was more of it, because it really makes it feel like a big-time showcase with both bands alternating songs.

Props to Huntingdon!  I know they came to play at UMHB once in the playoffs, but my mind is drawing a blank on if they brought their band with them.  I do know that we once played a team we normally don't at home and they brought their band.  It was one of the few times that's happened, sadly.
Well done.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: GillCJ1 on September 05, 2017, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on September 05, 2017, 12:32:31 PM
GillCJ1,

From my understanding when UMHB was attempting to field a marching band in years past, the numbers in the band were very small.

You would know better than me, but my understanding is that marching practice/preparation takes up a lot of time during the week. Since UMHB does not have a band program, per se, few kids seemed willing to commit to the necessary time investment required to have a good halftime show. So, there was an attempt/experiment to have a band that only plays, but does not march - i.e. spirit band. It has been my observation that the numbers in the band have grown each year. The kids playing add to the game atmosphere and they seem to have a lot of fun.

The reality seems to be that if a kid is serious about being in a marching band he/she is going to go to a much larger school with a serious marching band.

I, for one, like seeing the band grow each year - the kids have fun - and the music they play during the game adds to the atmosphere. Prior, like I said, they were few in number and the marching - with so few - just seemed to be lacking. Just my two cents worth - if it's worth that much.  8-)

Yeah, I have some friends (a married couple, actually) who both performed in the band back when they were in school.  I believe he told me they marched at one time, but for whatever reason they decided to stop.  Probably has something to do with the numbers and time commitment, like you said.  Don't get me wrong - I still enjoy AND appreciate what they do.   :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 05, 2017, 02:00:21 PM
Hendrix recently installed a pep band in the student section and it is led by an actual faculty member. No marching involved. They've gone hard after incoming freshmen to cement it in the growing tradition of Hendrix football. They post up in the student section and get the crowd into it, in addition to fight songs, etc. I know that Austin College and Centre have small pep bands off and on though I haven't seen it in Sherman for awhile...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on September 05, 2017, 02:08:21 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on September 05, 2017, 12:35:06 PM

Props to Huntingdon!  I know they came to play at UMHB once in the playoffs, but my mind is drawing a blank on if they brought their band with them.  I do know that we once played a team we normally don't at home and they brought their band.  It was one of the few times that's happened, sadly.
Well done.
No the band didn't make that trip. I don't think the cheerleaders even went. Would have been a pretty heavy financial outlay on such short notice plus being Thanksgiving weekend and all. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on September 05, 2017, 02:17:51 PM
Hawks88--
What other trips does the band take in the USAC?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 05, 2017, 02:21:48 PM
Louisiana College brought its band to Belton in the first round of the 2012 playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on September 05, 2017, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on September 05, 2017, 02:17:51 PM
Hawks88--
What other trips does the band take in the USAC?
They always go to the nearby rivalry games;BSC and LaGrange, though the last couple of times to LaGrange they didn't let them march at halftime. Not sure why on that. As far as I can remember they always go to Maryville. I think they will also usually make one or two of the longer road games. Last year we went to NC Wesleyan and they were there. A couple of years ago when we went to Methodist they were there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 05, 2017, 03:02:31 PM
fwiw Lyon College (NAIA) has bagpipers AND a marching band that they traveled to Hendrix this week. They're also the scots...

I believe HDX set up some overflow bleachers in the end zone for Lyon's band.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on September 06, 2017, 02:49:25 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on September 05, 2017, 08:48:27 AM
Great win for Berry on Saturday over Maryville.  I think we may have a rivalry on our hands.  The weather was awful, but the crowd was good as was the atmosphere.  I think the Maryville kid playing the bagpipe is quite cool.  The two teams seem pretty close to evenly matched, which made for an exciting game.  Maryville will do just fine in it's conference, which had an absolutely horrid weekend.

Berry defense looked really good.  I was concerned about the kicking game, but it also looked good.  Special team errors were costly and need to be addressed. Collins was a stud running the ball.

I watched on MC's livestream and watched again later.  Yes, it is a good win for Berry.  MC has good size, good speed and were physical.  I agree that Berry's defense played physical, shut out MC in the 2nd half, and held MC to 73 yds rushing.  Marmadou was his normal self disrupting things.  Didn't like the D giving up the long pass to the 2 on MC's last drive.  Fortunately the kid fumbled. 

On any team at any level, the offense starts with O Line. It's kinda like baseball and pitching.  O Line did fairly well 1st half, but not good the 2nd half.  Pad levels got higher and higher and MC's DL ate their lunch.  Collins had 93 yds 1st half and 19 in 2nd half.  He took some shots.  What changed?  The O Line.  Is it conditioning, fundamentals or mentality?  A good OL needs a few nasty mentalities. 

Collins played very well and receivers Ceresi, Kinsey, and Winston made phenomenal catches.  They make the QB look good.  Dale missed open receivers with throws high and throws in the dirt.  He was picked twice.  Better protection might improve his nervous feet but some were just bad throws.. 
 
But all in all, a good win on the road against a good opponent.  Lots of positives and some negatives.  It's said the most improvement occurs between weeks 1 and 2.  The Vikes have a  good coaching staff so I'm confident they'll get better and better. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 07, 2017, 10:43:55 AM
Dale was picked twice?  I don't remember that and I don't see it in the stats either...  He did have two TD passes.

http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2017-18/boxscores/20170902_6c5l.xml

Also didn't play about 6 minutes of the 3rd and the 4th qtr due to the hard hit from the targeting penalty.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: hasanova on September 07, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 05, 2017, 10:09:09 AM
Quote from: Scots13 on September 05, 2017, 09:59:23 AM
I'm not sure if the bagpiper is a student or not, but we had a guy in our class that received a hefty amount of financial aid due to his piping skills. He could lay it down.
We used to have Knoxville Pipes and Drums perform before the Homecoming game and it was a sight to see. Precision does not do it justice.
I haven't been to, or online streamed, commencement in a couple years, but they have performed there are well.

MC used to have a marching band back in the day that would wear kilts.  Now we have a pep band with a bass guitar >:(. For all the emphasis the College places on the arts and a multi-million dollar concert venue (Clayton Center for the Arts), you'd think they'd have the interest/capabilities to have an actual marching band. If you want to see a small college band that does it right, look at Huntingdon. Don't need a big band...maybe 20 people.

Hasanova and I were admiring Huntingdon's band this weekend. Between the pre-game march, the halftime show, and the music throughout the game, they do an excellent job and it is huge. BSC has a small band that also does well. I'm surprised that both still also pipe in cheap music during the game. Let the band have it! It's why they are there.

Carnegie Mellon also has bagpipes. When my sister went, mid to late 90s, I used to enjoy listening to them. A very neat novelty but I'm not sure I'd want to be hearing them on a regular basis.
I agree.  The Huntingdon band does a fine job ... adds a lot to the game experience.  I wish Guilford had a band, but they don't.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 07, 2017, 03:27:32 PM
Hendrix won 2/3 player of the week awards from the conference in their 56-28 win over Lyon.

First-year starting QB Miles Thompson won SAA of Offensive Player of the Week:
-29 for 37 (78.4%)
-6 TDs
-385 passing yards
-QBR 208.5

Senior Ben Luedtke won SAA Special Teams Player of the Week:
-164 total KR yards (41.0 average)
-One KR for TD (95 yards)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on September 08, 2017, 07:31:22 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 07, 2017, 10:43:55 AM
Dale was picked twice?  I don't remember that and I don't see it in the stats either...  He did have two TD passes.

http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2017-18/boxscores/20170902_6c5l.xml

Also didn't play about 6 minutes of the 3rd and the 4th qtr due to the hard hit from the targeting penalty.

Sorry I misspoke.  Read the stats wrong.  You are correct, no int's for Dale. 

Yes I saw Dale go out, but don't remember it being a targeting penalty.  My recollection is the targeting penalty with ejection was a hit on Adcock, while Dale was out.  I think Dale was hurt when he ran the ball.  Would have to replay the livestream. 

Excited about seeing the Vikes live and in person Saturday night.  If you're in north Georgia, Rome and Valhalla are the place to be this Saturday evening.  Hook'em Vikes!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2017, 08:50:05 AM
Today's games involving SAA teams:

Anderson (Ind.) at Centre
Huntingdon at Birmingham Southern
LaGrange at Berry
Millsaps at Texas Wesleyan
Pomona-Pitzer at Rhodes
Sewanee at Washington and Lee
Texas Lutheran at Hendrix
Wayland Baptist at Austin

Trinity has an open week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 10, 2017, 12:21:23 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2017, 08:50:05 AM
Today's games involving SAA teams:

Anderson (Ind.) at Centre
Huntingdon at Birmingham Southern
LaGrange at Berry
Millsaps at Texas Wesleyan
Pomona-Pitzer at Rhodes
Sewanee at Washington and Lee
Texas Lutheran at Hendrix
Wayland Baptist at Austin

Trinity has an open week.

yesterday's results only serve to confuse, in my opinion. Still too early to carve make predictions on the conference race, but I would say it is a three-horse race (minimum) between Berry-Centre-Hendrix, with potential for Rhodes (and maybe trinity/bsc?) to join the fray. This conference always has a "wide-open" feel but it seems like that is even more true in 2017...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 11, 2017, 07:28:36 AM
Glad Berry won on Saturday.  Big crowd and great atmosphere.  The game was honestly a bit "meh."  Offense looked super on the scoring drives; asleep on other possessions.  Defense gave up way too many 3rd down conversions.  However, a win is a win.  On to the next one....
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 11, 2017, 08:06:56 AM
I should also say that Lagrange was better than I expected.  The QB is big and played very well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 11, 2017, 09:04:56 AM
Looks like we will get two "blockbuster" games this weekend:

Hendrix (2-0) @ Centre (2-0)
Rhodes (1-1) @ Berry (2-0)

Plus, the Sewanee @ Austin matchup will tell us a lot about both teams and their improvement (or lack thereof)...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 11, 2017, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: albatross on September 11, 2017, 09:04:56 AM
Looks like we will get two "blockbuster" games this weekend:

Hendrix (2-0) @ Centre (2-0)
Rhodes (1-1) @ Berry (2-0)

Plus, the Sewanee @ Austin matchup will tell us a lot about both teams and their improvement (or lack thereof)...

Sewanee was completely unprepared for W&L. The previous head coach had a lot of experience with W&L's offense, he coached in Lexington for a while, and it showed in a series of battles between the teams regardless of relative quality of the players. This Sewanee team had nothing. They were unprepared and undisciplined and didn't hold their assignments on defense at all. W&L basically pulled the starters at halftime and still almost put up 600 yards of offense. Sewanee did score some in the second half on the second and third stringers, but even then W&L's offense was still scoring almost at will.

I think the new head coach just got a rough wake up call. I don't expect Sewanee will show much improvement this year, and the coach is going to have to do a better job of preparing his players for opposing schemes.

Further, he should know better than to let his team run through the opposing team's warm ups. It didn't endear the Tigers to the Generals at all and provided some more motivation to beat the tar out of the visitors. Not something Sewanee can afford at this point.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 11, 2017, 10:18:21 AM
running through warm ups?? their old coach (and many alums, I imagine) would have been furious...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 11, 2017, 10:48:26 AM
Comments interspersed below...

Quote from: jknezek on September 11, 2017, 09:13:10 AM

Sewanee was completely unprepared for W&L. The previous head coach had a lot of experience with W&L's offense, he coached in Lexington for a while, and it showed in a series of battles between the teams regardless of relative quality of the players. This Sewanee team had nothing. They were unprepared and undisciplined and didn't hold their assignments on defense at all. W&L basically pulled the starters at halftime and still almost put up 600 yards of offense. Sewanee did score some in the second half on the second and third stringers, but even then W&L's offense was still scoring almost at will.

I think you're being far too polite.   Our defense came into that game expecting to play playground football and got pounded as result.    The offense had some plays early but even they failed when they got into situations that required disciplined play on their part.    But this was an 0-10 team last year with a new head coach who is in his first head coaching job.  Unsurprising result, painful to watch but certainly not unexpected in a rivalry game against a decent team.

Quote from: jknezek on September 11, 2017, 09:13:10 AM
I think the new head coach just got a rough wake up call. I don't expect Sewanee will show much improvement this year, and the coach is going to have to do a better job of preparing his players for opposing schemes.

Yep... I think we might get a win or two but am not expecting to see us anywhere near 0.500 for at least a year, and maybe two.   And that's assuming Coach Rundle figures out how to be a head coach this season.   

Quote from: jknezek on September 11, 2017, 09:13:10 AM
Further, he should know better than to let his team run through the opposing team's warm ups. It didn't endear the Tigers to the Generals at all and provided some more motivation to beat the tar out of the visitors. Not something Sewanee can afford at this point.

I know this will sound harsh on my part but it's good that our kids got skull-drug throughout that game.   Discipline has been a problem with our team for about 2 years.  May be a bit of wake-up call is what is needed for them to get it together.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 12, 2017, 08:26:14 AM
Congrats to Berry QB Slade Dale, SAA offensive player of the week.  Berry has no doubt won some games because of his unique athleticism.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 12, 2017, 04:34:36 PM
The 2018 Academic rankings were just released yesterday by US News and World Report. What would happen if we re-ranked teams based on their academic ranking. Note: all teams in the SAA are excellent institutions. If you graduated from them you certainly worked your tail off.

2018 SAA Academic Rankings:
1. Sewanee (#41)
2. Centre (#46)
3. Rhodes (#51)
4. Hendrix (#76)
5. Millsaps (#87)
6. Austin College (#93)
7. Birmingham Southern (#123)

--- Trinity (#1 in West Region for Universities)
---Berry (#8 in South Region for Liberal Arts Colleges)

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Notable: W&L (#10), Hampden-Sydney and Southwestern (#96), Chicago (#3-universities), Wash U (#18-universities), Huntingdon (#13 South Region), Maryville (ranking not published).

Other US News rankings these schools showed up on:

-Most Innovative Liberal Arts College (Hendrix #7)
-Best Value (W&L #10, Centre #31, Hendrix #48, Austin #53, Southwestern #69, Millsaps #80, Sewanee #84, HSC #93, Rhodes #94)
-Best Teaching (Centre #16)
-Best Colleges for Veterans (Rhodes #3, Southwestern #5)
-Highest Ratings from HS Counselors (W&L #25, Rhodes/Sewanee #34, Centre #47, Austin/Hendrix #56, Southwestern #71)

Can you tell it was a slow work day? ha!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2017, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: albatross on September 12, 2017, 04:34:36 PM
The 2018 Academic rankings were just released yesterday by US News and World Report. What would happen if we re-ranked teams based on their academic ranking. Note: all teams in the SAA are excellent institutions. If you graduated from them you certainly worked your tail off. US News ranks the best nationally, and then moves on to rank the unranked schools by region.


This is not the way it works.   Schools are sorted into categories based on certain characteristics, and THEN ranked solely against the schools in their categories.   From the 2018 Best Colleges page (https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges) itself:You can't directly compare schools in one category against those in another as a result. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 12, 2017, 04:55:07 PM
that is a good catch. No wonder I was really surprised when I didn't see Berry and Trinity where I thought I should have seen them!

I've edited my post to reflect only direct comparisons...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2017, 07:39:16 AM
Quote from: albatross on September 12, 2017, 04:55:07 PM
that is a good catch. No wonder I was really surprised when I didn't see Berry and Trinity where I thought I should have seen them!

I've edited my post to reflect only direct comparisons...

Thanks, it's understandable.

I actually have kvetched at TPTB at TU about not being in the USN&WR "National" conversation for exactly that reason; their response has been that the categorization comes from another external agency and can't be changed.   There are some other more general lists (like Forbes Top 100 (https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#5ef455ce1987)) where they make an appearance (#90 this year).

Rankings are all subjective to one degree or another.   If you're "highly ranked" in the majority of them it means you're probably doing something good.   :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on September 14, 2017, 11:28:19 AM
Just read Birmingham southern cut their tuition in half, so wow. That probably will help them grow enrollment but they will need a full capacity to pay the bills
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2017, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: cush on September 14, 2017, 11:28:19 AM
Just read Birmingham southern cut their tuition in half, so wow. That probably will help them grow enrollment but they will need a full capacity to pay the bills

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/09/birmingham-southern_college_to.html
http://www.bsc.edu/lowertuition/index.html

Not sure how they're going to do it ... growing 300 students (from 1300 to 1600) will offset some of it but only if they don't have corresponding increases in operating costs (so no hiring more faculty, etc.).    Bloomberg puts their endowment at $190M, decent for a school of this size but not large enough to substantially draw upon to offset the difference.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2017, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2017, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: cush on September 14, 2017, 11:28:19 AM
Just read Birmingham southern cut their tuition in half, so wow. That probably will help them grow enrollment but they will need a full capacity to pay the bills

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/09/birmingham-southern_college_to.html
http://www.bsc.edu/lowertuition/index.html

Not sure how they're going to do it ... growing 300 students (from 1300 to 1600) will offset some of it but only if they don't have corresponding increases in operating costs (so no hiring more faculty, etc.).    Bloomberg puts their endowment at $190M, decent for a school of this size but not large enough to substantially draw upon to offset the difference.

The LIST price is being cut 50%.  Only about 10% of students pay list price.  I'll be interested to see how much the ACTUAL student outlay goes down.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 14, 2017, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2017, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2017, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: cush on September 14, 2017, 11:28:19 AM
Just read Birmingham southern cut their tuition in half, so wow. That probably will help them grow enrollment but they will need a full capacity to pay the bills

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/09/birmingham-southern_college_to.html
http://www.bsc.edu/lowertuition/index.html

Not sure how they're going to do it ... growing 300 students (from 1300 to 1600) will offset some of it but only if they don't have corresponding increases in operating costs (so no hiring more faculty, etc.).    Bloomberg puts their endowment at $190M, decent for a school of this size but not large enough to substantially draw upon to offset the difference.

The LIST price is being cut 50%.  Only about 10% of students pay list price.  I'll be interested to see how much the ACTUAL student outlay goes down.

Yes. This is the rub. For most of the people at these schools, the list price is nowhere near what they pay. In fact the article is pretty clear they are talking about sticker shock, not actual cost. For years, schools have raised sticker prices because it supposedly helped the school prestige and moved the rankings. However, since everyone does it, it doesn't really matter. Now you are going to see schools going back the other way, as people actually start to pay attention to how much schools cost.

You can use the excellent calculator found here, https://collegecost.ed.gov use the college scoreboard option, to determine what students actually pay at individual schools. This calculator has been a game changer, and of course, like many things done by the government in the last 9 years, is currently under threat. Losing it would be a massive loss to perspective students everywhere, so take a look while you can.

In the case of BSC, the average annual cost is $18,728. So cutting the sticker to $17,650 really isn't the bump that people assume. Adding 300 students, at just slightly under the average annual, would be a huge benefit to the school. There is spare capacity at BSC stemming from the problems they had in the late 00s. I believe they were at or above 1500 at that time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2017, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2017, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2017, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: cush on September 14, 2017, 11:28:19 AM
Just read Birmingham southern cut their tuition in half, so wow. That probably will help them grow enrollment but they will need a full capacity to pay the bills

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/09/birmingham-southern_college_to.html
http://www.bsc.edu/lowertuition/index.html

Not sure how they're going to do it ... growing 300 students (from 1300 to 1600) will offset some of it but only if they don't have corresponding increases in operating costs (so no hiring more faculty, etc.).    Bloomberg puts their endowment at $190M, decent for a school of this size but not large enough to substantially draw upon to offset the difference.

The LIST price is being cut 50%.  Only about 10% of students pay list price.  I'll be interested to see how much the ACTUAL student outlay goes down.
My thoughts, exactly.  I wonder how the decrease in "nominal" tuition compares with the going rate for Auburn and that other school off I-59 in Tuscaloosa. ( ;) )
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2017, 08:13:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2017, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2017, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2017, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: cush on September 14, 2017, 11:28:19 AM
Just read Birmingham southern cut their tuition in half, so wow. That probably will help them grow enrollment but they will need a full capacity to pay the bills

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/09/birmingham-southern_college_to.html
http://www.bsc.edu/lowertuition/index.html

Not sure how they're going to do it ... growing 300 students (from 1300 to 1600) will offset some of it but only if they don't have corresponding increases in operating costs (so no hiring more faculty, etc.).    Bloomberg puts their endowment at $190M, decent for a school of this size but not large enough to substantially draw upon to offset the difference.

The LIST price is being cut 50%.  Only about 10% of students pay list price.  I'll be interested to see how much the ACTUAL student outlay goes down.
My thoughts, exactly.  I wonder how the decrease in "nominal" tuition compares with the going rate for Auburn and that other school off I-59 in Tuscaloosa. ( ;) )

It still may be a great marketing move.  Many, many people (ESPECIALLY potential students whose parents didn't attend college) don't understand that difference, and the 'sticker shock' may scare them off.

Many posters on this site don't seem to understand the distinction either!  The frequent whining about state schools' tuition advantages over private schools usually totally ignore that after financial aid the difference is often quite modest, and occasionally even favors the private school.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 14, 2017, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2017, 08:13:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2017, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2017, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2017, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: cush on September 14, 2017, 11:28:19 AM
Just read Birmingham southern cut their tuition in half, so wow. That probably will help them grow enrollment but they will need a full capacity to pay the bills

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/09/birmingham-southern_college_to.html
http://www.bsc.edu/lowertuition/index.html

Not sure how they're going to do it ... growing 300 students (from 1300 to 1600) will offset some of it but only if they don't have corresponding increases in operating costs (so no hiring more faculty, etc.).    Bloomberg puts their endowment at $190M, decent for a school of this size but not large enough to substantially draw upon to offset the difference.

The LIST price is being cut 50%.  Only about 10% of students pay list price.  I'll be interested to see how much the ACTUAL student outlay goes down.
My thoughts, exactly.  I wonder how the decrease in "nominal" tuition compares with the going rate for Auburn and that other school off I-59 in Tuscaloosa. ( ;) )

It still may be a great marketing move.  Many, many people (ESPECIALLY potential students whose parents didn't attend college) don't understand that difference, and the 'sticker shock' may scare them off.

Many posters on this site don't seem to understand the distinction either!  The frequent whining about state schools' tuition advantages over private schools usually totally ignore that after financial aid the difference is often quite modest, and occasionally even favors the private school.

It is actually cheaper, on average, to go to BSC than the University of Alabama (Tuscaloosa) these days. Part of that is the influx of out of state students Alabama has had in the last decade, so they are getting much higher tuition by not fulfilling their true mandate. Not uncommon at state schools these days, but the success of the football team has been a big driver at Alabama lately. The average annual cost is $20,787, but that of course is only the average for all students, not in state vs out of state. University of Alabama at Huntsville is a few thousand dollars cheaper, but on average you will have a starting job that pays almost $4000 more. Of course, you don't get to pay for the privilege of watching the Crimson Tide play 8 games a year at home. UAB, University of South Alabama and University of North Alabama are all significantly cheaper than Tuscaloosa, Huntsville or BSC. But average salary is also significantly less. Auburn is pretty much in line with Huntsville and BSC, and cheaper than Tuscaloosa.

Stats courtesy of https://collegecost.ed.gov/

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on September 15, 2017, 11:10:46 AM
Drew University announced a 20% reduction recently. Didn't Sewanee reduce tuition by 10% a couple years ago?

Reducing tuition is something that a) needs to happen, and b) should happen. Should you cut it in half in one fell swoop? Probably not. 10, 15, or 20 percent shows the institution is trying to make college more affordable. I can go on and on about my beef with high interest rates on federal loans, but I'll save it. (I think I've posted about it before.)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 15, 2017, 11:48:49 AM
Quote from: Scots13 on September 15, 2017, 11:10:46 AM
Drew University announced a 20% reduction recently. Didn't Sewanee reduce tuition by 10% a couple years ago?

Reducing tuition is something that a) needs to happen, and b) should happen. Should you cut it in half in one fell swoop? Probably not. 10, 15, or 20 percent shows the institution is trying to make college more affordable. I can go on and on about my beef with high interest rates on federal loans, but I'll save it. (I think I've posted about it before.)

That's the thing, they aren't cutting anything substantial. They are just bringing the advertised price in line with the actual price paid. Revenue will hardly change. They haven't made anything more affordable, they are just trying to make it seem more affordable by giving up on their mostly imaginary sticker price.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 15, 2017, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on September 15, 2017, 11:10:46 AM
Drew University announced a 20% reduction recently. Didn't Sewanee reduce tuition by 10% a couple years ago?


Sewanee dropped tuition by 10% in 2011.   The price reduction has been eroded over time to where the price is back to the same level as they were in 2011.   Our discount rate, based on the numbers in the Dept. of Ed. website mentioned upthread, was 53% in AY16-17 with an average aid package of $21K,  with $19K of that amount coming from sources other than government aid.   In our incoming class last year,  79% of incoming students received some form of need-based aid.

What's not clear about what B-SC has done is how those this change their approach to need-based aid.  Is the reduction such that it doesn't impact the institution bottom line?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 16, 2017, 01:39:10 PM
Centre just started the game by running back the opening kickoff. Hendrix also forced to punt away...

Young kids from Conway are getting their first real test from an experienced team...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 16, 2017, 04:26:48 PM
pick 6 will seal the deal in Danville. Impressed by Hendrix battling back to make it a one score game with 4 minutes to play before some bad mistakes killed their momentum. They have a shot in every game they play the rest of the way it looks like...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2017, 05:04:11 PM
Trinity survives a 49-yard attempt with time running out to get their initial SAA win at Millsaps, 28-26.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 17, 2017, 09:12:09 PM
Centre held off Hendrix's comeback and Berry handled Rhodes. Now it is time for the league's marquee game this upcoming Saturday. I remember two years ago when Centre went to Mount Berry and beat them to secure the outright championship for Hendrix. Should be a good one...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 18, 2017, 07:43:55 AM
And I remember Berry returning the favor last season  :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 18, 2017, 07:45:24 AM
Nice win for Berry on Saturday.  Kinsey was the offensive stud, love to watch him.  Odd to have the game of the year so early in the season, but it appears to be what we get on Saturday night.  I will be there!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 19, 2017, 11:43:08 AM
it is weird to have the de facto championship game so early in the season when these kinds of games are usually backloaded on the schedule. The only thing that might make things interesting is Hendrix lurking as a "chaos team" that probably won't the league, but really has a shot in every game they play. Of course, we might have a gauge for all this after this weekend's big game...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 21, 2017, 10:09:07 AM
Big game at Berry and Valhalla Stadium Saturday.  Very much looking forward to it, and very much expecting a tough game.  Safe travels to the folks from Kentucky.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2017, 05:35:19 PM
Trinity blocks a Chapman chip shot FG with time running out to send the game into OT, then after missing a 43-yard FG in OT, sack the Chapman QB on their first OT play, forcing a fumble in the process, and Mitchell Globe scoops up the ball and rambles 63 yards in a 41-35 win.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 23, 2017, 07:15:18 PM
Much less thrilling game in Jackson, MS as a late fumble by Sewanee seals a Millsaps win.   Final score Majors 17, Tigers 13.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 23, 2017, 07:18:33 PM
Hendrix scores all their points in the first half to defeat Austin College, 36-24.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 23, 2017, 07:22:54 PM
Is there any way to see the video of the Trinity - Chapman game after it's over?  I had to leave about 5 minutes into the 4th quarter!  Doh!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2017, 10:21:30 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on September 23, 2017, 07:22:54 PM
Is there any way to see the video of the Trinity - Chapman game after it's over?  I had to leave about 5 minutes into the 4th quarter!  Doh!

There have been some posts of the key plays on Twitter.   The only archive I've found of the new streaming network (https://new.trinity.edu/live/archive) doesn't seem to include Athletics.   tigernetwork@trinity.edu might be able to tell you more. 

Pretty crazy finish to say the least - not a "Mississippi Miracle" but you don't see everything break just right like that very often - guys kept grinding and it paid off.   Career game from Austin Grauer (25-40 for 389, 1 TD) and he had a 50+ yard TD throw wiped out by penalty.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 25, 2017, 08:33:55 AM
Very good win for Berry on Saturday night.  Man, Centre is big and fast.  Our younger players are really growing up.  Absolutely heroic effort by the defense. Great 2nd half for QB Dale.  We got some receivers.

Beautiful weather (minus the storm that threatened), great crowd.  Overall, a very impressive night.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 25, 2017, 09:06:53 AM
Centre is always impressive coming out of the locker room. They usually are just flat out bigger (particularly at LB and OL which isn't always common in the SAA) than most of their opponents. It also helps that Centre (to me it seems) skews older and can replace with upperclassmen more often than not - as opposed to Berry/Hendrix which are leaning a little more heavily on younger guys as the new programs on the block...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 25, 2017, 10:05:06 AM
The Centre QB was also quite elusive.  We got to him a few times, but he could really step out of trouble.  They are a good team, and unlikely to lose again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 25, 2017, 10:51:04 AM
Quick Update on SAA standouts playing in Europe. Seth Peters (QB) and Dayton Winn (RB) are Hendrix grads who each won SAA Player or Offensive Player of the Year in their tenure in Conway. Now, they are dominating their respective leagues abroad.

Peters led the Kuopio Steelers to a rout in the Finnish championship (the Spaghetti Bowl - yes, really) and was named MVP.

Winn just led the Copenhagen Towers to a 62-12 semi-final victory and they are headed to the Danish championship (the Mermaid Bowl - again, you read that correctly).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2017, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: albatross on September 25, 2017, 10:51:04 AM
Quick Update on SAA standouts playing in Europe. Seth Peters (QB) and Dayton Winn (RB) are Hendrix grads who each won SAA Player or Offensive Player of the Year in their tenure in Conway. Now, they are dominating their respective leagues abroad.

Peters led the Kuopio Steelers to a rout in the Finnish championship (the Spaghetti Bowl - yes, really) and was named MVP.

Winn just led the Copenhagen Towers to a 62-12 semi-final victory and they are headed to the Danish championship (the Mermaid Bowl - again, you read that correctly).
Hans Christian Andersen's 1837 story. The statue is found on a rock overlooking Copenhagen Harbor.  (Click on the link.)
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=little+mermaid+statue+in+copenhagen+harbor&FORM=IARRTH&ufn=the+little+mermaid+statue&stid=cb47cff4-18cf-f9b1-06df-466f0c3e75cc&cbn=EntityAnswer&cbi=0&FORM=IARRTH (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=little+mermaid+statue+in+copenhagen+harbor&FORM=IARRTH&ufn=the+little+mermaid+statue&stid=cb47cff4-18cf-f9b1-06df-466f0c3e75cc&cbn=EntityAnswer&cbi=0&FORM=IARRTH)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on September 25, 2017, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on September 25, 2017, 10:05:06 AM
The Centre QB was also quite elusive.  We got to him a few times, but he could really step out of trouble.  They are a good team, and unlikely to lose again.
I agree on Centre's QB.  He slipped away several times when I thought he was going down. 

In the 1st half Centre won the battle in the trenches and was much more physical than Berry.  Berry responded in the 2nd half with some physicality of their own, especially defensively.  Berry shut down Centre's run game holding Carnell to 56 yds, 95 below his average.  But Berry wasn't much better especially after the Vikings starting RB went out.  His replacement did a good job with 83 yds, mostly in the 2nd half, and moved the chains.
It was truly a team win for Berry with lots of folks contributing.

Centre is definitely very good and well coached. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 25, 2017, 01:12:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2017, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: albatross on September 25, 2017, 10:51:04 AM
Winn just led the Copenhagen Towers to a 62-12 semi-final victory and they are headed to the Danish championship (the Mermaid Bowl - again, you read that correctly).
Hans Christian Andersen's 1837 story. The statue is found on a rock overlooking Copenhagen Harbor.  (Click on the link.)
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=little+mermaid+statue+in+copenhagen+harbor&FORM=IARRTH&ufn=the+little+mermaid+statue&stid=cb47cff4-18cf-f9b1-06df-466f0c3e75cc&cbn=EntityAnswer&cbi=0&FORM=IARRTH (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=little+mermaid+statue+in+copenhagen+harbor&FORM=IARRTH&ufn=the+little+mermaid+statue&stid=cb47cff4-18cf-f9b1-06df-466f0c3e75cc&cbn=EntityAnswer&cbi=0&FORM=IARRTH)

Ralph - that is quite the find. Well done.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on September 25, 2017, 05:03:37 PM
Berry's game stats show attendance at 2,382 for the Centre game. That's disappointing.  Maybe the count is only the folks that purchased tickets and excludes the freebies such as player's tickets for family etc.   I expected 5,000+ for two undefeated conference rivals going head to head after a 21-19 thriller last year.  I thought Centre would bring a bigger crowd.     

This week I kept looking in the Rome newspaper for a pregame article.  There was nothing.  So how are people to know?  Most local news sports departments have few people.  They rely on the high school coaches or AD's, and area college SID's to feed them information.  One has to write the article for them in order to get it published.  Come on Berry.  When Hendrix comes to town in a few weeks, feed the local paper the week prior to the game.  Get the word out there and lets pack Valhalla.  It's a great venue, tickets are cheaper than the high school games, and the atmosphere is electric.  It's a fun time. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2017, 05:16:33 PM
Clark,

The newspaper has to be willing to print the information that is provided. Berry doesn't have the veteran SID it used to have but I'm sure the current SID knows these basics.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2017, 06:29:40 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on September 25, 2017, 05:03:37 PM
Berry's game stats show attendance at 2,382 for the Centre game. That's disappointing.  Maybe the count is only the folks that purchased tickets and excludes the freebies such as player's tickets for family etc.   I expected 5,000+ for two undefeated conference rivals going head to head after a 21-19 thriller last year.  I thought Centre would bring a bigger crowd.     

This week I kept looking in the Rome newspaper for a pregame article.  There was nothing.  So how are people to know?  Most local news sports departments have few people.  They rely on the high school coaches or AD's, and area college SID's to feed them information.  One has to write the article for them in order to get it published.  Come on Berry.  When Hendrix comes to town in a few weeks, feed the local paper the week prior to the game.  Get the word out there and lets pack Valhalla.  It's a great venue, tickets are cheaper than the high school games, and the atmosphere is electric.  It's a fun time.

Welcome to the reality of Division III sports coverage many of us face.   Some local media will only focus on the "upper" colleges in town, some won't cover D3 even if it's the only game in town because it's non-scholarship, some just don't care, and some still actually do a decent job despite all the challenges they face in the current environment and should be treasured.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 26, 2017, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2017, 06:29:40 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on September 25, 2017, 05:03:37 PM
Berry's game stats show attendance at 2,382 for the Centre game. That's disappointing.  Maybe the count is only the folks that purchased tickets and excludes the freebies such as player's tickets for family etc.   I expected 5,000+ for two undefeated conference rivals going head to head after a 21-19 thriller last year.  I thought Centre would bring a bigger crowd.     

This week I kept looking in the Rome newspaper for a pregame article.  There was nothing.  So how are people to know?  Most local news sports departments have few people.  They rely on the high school coaches or AD's, and area college SID's to feed them information.  One has to write the article for them in order to get it published.  Come on Berry.  When Hendrix comes to town in a few weeks, feed the local paper the week prior to the game.  Get the word out there and lets pack Valhalla.  It's a great venue, tickets are cheaper than the high school games, and the atmosphere is electric.  It's a fun time.

Welcome to the reality of Division III sports coverage many of us face.   Some local media will only focus on the "upper" colleges in town, some won't cover D3 even if it's the only game in town because it's non-scholarship, some just don't care, and some still actually do a decent job despite all the challenges they face in the current environment and should be treasured.

There wasn't a seat available in the home stands.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 26, 2017, 09:30:11 AM
Berry will always have one of the best home field advantages in the conference because the school is larger (save Trinity and Rhodes) and seem to have a decent amount of community support. That unofficial number suggests that the home stands at minimum were probably pretty full, and many schools would love to have that number.

Hendrix, for example, doesn't charge admission to any sport but has to compete with an FCS team (D1 in every other sport) across town. The school used to have a stellar SID, but he left this year to be the Assistant Commissioner for the ASC. The new SID is a pretty young and still learning the ropes.

Hendrix does have a beat writer for the town paper, though. In fact - he was inducted to the school's athletics Hall of Honor for his decades of work and service this past Saturday while Gray Stanton (DE, '17) was honored for being the SAA Man of the Year in 2017.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 26, 2017, 10:34:37 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2017, 06:29:40 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on September 25, 2017, 05:03:37 PM
Berry's game stats show attendance at 2,382 for the Centre game. That's disappointing.  Maybe the count is only the folks that purchased tickets and excludes the freebies such as player's tickets for family etc.   I expected 5,000+ for two undefeated conference rivals going head to head after a 21-19 thriller last year.  I thought Centre would bring a bigger crowd.     

This week I kept looking in the Rome newspaper for a pregame article.  There was nothing.  So how are people to know?  Most local news sports departments have few people.  They rely on the high school coaches or AD's, and area college SID's to feed them information.  One has to write the article for them in order to get it published.  Come on Berry.  When Hendrix comes to town in a few weeks, feed the local paper the week prior to the game.  Get the word out there and lets pack Valhalla.  It's a great venue, tickets are cheaper than the high school games, and the atmosphere is electric.  It's a fun time.

Welcome to the reality of Division III sports coverage many of us face.   Some local media will only focus on the "upper" colleges in town, some won't cover D3 even if it's the only game in town because it's non-scholarship, some just don't care, and some still actually do a decent job despite all the challenges they face in the current environment and should be treasured.
http://johndruckenmiller.com/blog/2017/09/24/chick-fil-a-dwarf-house-sports-berry-remains-undefeated-this-season-shorter-falls-to-delta-state-falcons-at-detroit-today/  This site normally has a comment or two every week about Berry sports.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 26, 2017, 11:55:17 AM
Valhalla's capacity is given as 2500.  Per the stats on the Berry website, attendance was 2432.  That is 97% capacity, not too bad when UGA played against a ranked team at basically the same time.  The home stands were packed, as usual.  Others were standing or sitting in chairs behind the end zone.  It was a great home crowd and Centre brought some folks too, although the away side was not full.  And thank goodness we have an away side, some of our conference rivals do not.

As for the other issue Clark mentioned, the school could do better.  One season we got a "Coach's Corner" video before each game.  Another year we could watch the coach's post game interview online.  Last season there was at least a preview post before each game.  Now, we get none of the above.  There is certainly some room for improvement.

The local paper was bought out and now you have to pay to read any of the articles anyway, but they used to have some good original content.  I suspect that is now gone.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bombers798891 on September 26, 2017, 12:11:56 PM
The reality is, newspapers don't need D-III sports to sell.

The good news is, D-III teams don't need the local media anywhere near as much as they did. Every college is different, but at Ithaca, there was the following:

Game preview- http://athletics.ithaca.edu/news/2017/9/15/football-heads-to-st-lawrence-for-liberty-league-opener-on-saturday.aspx (http://athletics.ithaca.edu/news/2017/9/15/football-heads-to-st-lawrence-for-liberty-league-opener-on-saturday.aspx)
Game notes- http://athletics.ithaca.edu/documents/2017/9/15//2017_Football_Insert_SLU.pdf?id=1508 (http://athletics.ithaca.edu/documents/2017/9/15//2017_Football_Insert_SLU.pdf?id=1508)
Recap with video- http://athletics.ithaca.edu/news/2017/9/16/nabi-gladney-have-career-days-as-football-tops-st-lawrence-24-13.aspx (http://athletics.ithaca.edu/news/2017/9/16/nabi-gladney-have-career-days-as-football-tops-st-lawrence-24-13.aspx)

I know there are going to be some people who don't like going to a web page, and prefer the local media. But the landscape is shifting, and rather than, as Pat pointed out, send something out and hope the local media run with it, schools have the ability (if they choose) to just do it all in house. More and more, I think this is what you're going to see; sports info offices that become a centralized place where this stuff is collected, as opposed to being the distributor.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 26, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
The SAA was represented well on the D3Football Team of the Week.

Mitchell Globe (LB - Trinity) made it for his game-changing scoop and score, and Cole Murphy (LB - BSC) made it for an outstanding game that included an INT.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on September 26, 2017, 08:58:58 PM
You folks have sorta made my point for me.  I've had this discussion with sports editor friends for the last 10-12 years.  My point to them is technology has changed everything.  People don't need local papers, local radio, or local tv stations anymore to get news about national events, the Braves, Falcons, UGA, etc.  The read local papers or listen to local radio to know what is going on in their community.  They want to read about local news, the local schools, who won the big high school game Friday night, and they want to see the names of their kids, grandkids, nieces, nephews, neighbors in the paper.  Heck they'll buy 10 copies when that happens. 

So, for a small school in a small town market, ala Berry, it would pay huge dividends to cultivate relationships with the local news media.  It's called selling the program.  It's not collecting information and waiting on the writers to call, but it's being proactive.  Why not have Coach K on WRGA radio every Tuesday night for 30 minutes during the drive home?  Why not go speak to the Rotary Club, Kiwanis, Quarterback Club etc.?  Why not send out articles of reasonable size to local media outlets highlighting the upcoming game?  Then when ole Joe picks up the paper Saturday morning to see if Rome High, Cartersville or Calhoun won on Friday night, he might just see an article about Berry hosting Centre on Saturday and decide to take the family. 

In a nutshell, I'm high on the potential of Berry's athletic programs.  I don't want Berry to be happy with 2,400 attendance for a football game nor content with being co-Champs of the SAA.  Lets shoot for 5,000+ attendance and National Championships.  With the talent in the states of Georgia, Alabama and Tennessee, the facilities and the campus, the coaching staff, and the reputation of the school itself, it can happen.  But ya got to get out there and sell it.  You folks probably won't believe it, but some of Berry's players played before much bigger crowds in high school....regularly.  And nothing makes a better impression on a recruit than standing on the sideline with a big, excited crowd behind you. 

I'd like nothing more than to see Valhalla being enlarged 5 years from now.  Hook 'en Vikes!

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2017, 09:08:26 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on September 26, 2017, 08:58:58 PM
You folks probably won't believe it, but some of Berry's players played before much bigger crowds in high school.

This conference has schools in Texas. They also have high school football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2017, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2017, 09:08:26 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on September 26, 2017, 08:58:58 PM
You folks probably won't believe it, but some of Berry's players played before much bigger crowds in high school.

This conference has schools in Texas. They also have high school football.
Thank you, Pat. Back in the day, one of my favorite things to do was to take in three High School playoff games (of which my kids' high school was in one) in the old Texas Stadium for an admission price of about $10. Attendance would be 25,000 fans who usually took in one game plus a portion of another.

Here is the link to the new stadium in Katy Texas. He mentions a thousand kids per night in competition. That would be 2 games, about 300 football players on 4 squads and about 700 band/drill team/pep squad members from 4 high schools.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/take-look-this-72m-high-school-football-stadium-katy-texas/

The Allen (High School Texas) Eagle Escadrille had 800 members in 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Y7o0JEgU4
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2017, 11:47:27 PM
Great Sewanee feature from Brian Lester in this week's Around the South (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017/sewanee-tapping-into-turnaround-attitude).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2017, 11:58:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2017, 09:08:26 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on September 26, 2017, 08:58:58 PM
You folks probably won't believe it, but some of Berry's players played before much bigger crowds in high school.

This conference has schools in Texas. They also have high school football.

And at least ten stadiums (not including facilities under construction in McKinney or Katy) seating 15K or more: http://www.wideopencountry.com/10-biggest-high-school-football-stadiums-texas/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 27, 2017, 08:09:20 AM
Clark Kent:  Very good points and I like and agree with every word.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 27, 2017, 09:09:46 AM
Yes - I have to be honest. It was quite the transition from playing in front of tens of thousands (several times in Cowboys Stadium) at a 6A Texas high school to playing in front of a one-sided stadium with 2000 people in the stands in Conway!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 27, 2017, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2017, 11:47:27 PM
Great Sewanee feature from Brian Lester in this week's Around the South (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017/sewanee-tapping-into-turnaround-attitude).

That was a very nice piece by Mr. Lester.   Many of us around the Mountain had hope coming into this year for a better season.   Will see what happens over the next two Saturdays with Hendrix and Berry coming to Sewanee.   Low probability of an upset but hope to see us more competitive over those two games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 27, 2017, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 27, 2017, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2017, 11:47:27 PM
Great Sewanee feature from Brian Lester in this week's Around the South (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017/sewanee-tapping-into-turnaround-attitude).

That was a very nice piece by Mr. Lester.   Many of us around the Mountain had hope coming into this year for a better season.   Will see what happens over the next two Saturdays with Hendrix and Berry coming to Sewanee.   Low probability of an upset but hope to see us more competitive over those two games.

playing on the mountain will always be memorable for me. those games getting more exciting will only make the experiences better in the future for the kids at every school now...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on September 27, 2017, 08:15:16 PM
A new DIII record of 37,355 fans saw St. Thomas (MN) defeat Saint John's (MN) 20-17 on Saturday at Target Field!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on September 28, 2017, 06:05:49 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2017, 11:58:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2017, 09:08:26 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on September 26, 2017, 08:58:58 PM
You folks probably won't believe it, but some of Berry's players played before much bigger crowds in high school.

This conference has schools in Texas. They also have high school football.n

And at least ten stadiums (not including facilities under construction in McKinney or Katy) seating 15K or more: http://www.wideopencountry.com/10-biggest-high-school-football-stadiums-texas/

@Ron Boerger  Texas has great high school football but my comment was specifically about Berry.  I mentioned GA, TN and AL because that is Berry's primary recruiting area.  Berry is located in GA, but only an hour from TN and 20 minutes from AL. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2017, 08:14:41 AM
The reason I made my post, Clark, was that you said people wouldn't believe they played in front of larger crowds in high school. But that's the experience of just about every D3 in Texas, so pretty sure people will believe.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 30, 2017, 10:19:41 AM
Speaking of good local coverage of D3 teams, the Conway paper had a great quote from Coach Buck in the game preview:

http://thecabin.net/news/local/sports/2017-09-29/hendrix-faces-tough-task-against-revamped-sewanee (http://thecabin.net/news/local/sports/2017-09-29/hendrix-faces-tough-task-against-revamped-sewanee)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2017, 03:57:25 PM
In a game that shouldn't have been nearly so close, Trinity gets past B-SC 26-20.   Tigers were up 26-6 after a safety in the fourth but the Panthers made a game of it, aided by some sloppy tackling and an onside kick that was fumbled after initial recovery.   B-SC had one last chance after a face mask penalty left them kicking from midfield with under a minute left, but this time the onside was easily covered. 

BSC's Trevor Oakes ended up 19-34 for 230 and 2 scores, most of the damage coming in the fourth quarter.   Austin Grauer was 16-27 for 170 yards and 2TDs, and Evan McDowell had 91 yards rushing and 1 TD for the Tigers.   Trinity missed 36- and 29-yard field goal attempts.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: RCottman on September 30, 2017, 05:20:23 PM
In these first 4 games Tigers continue to shoot themselves in the foot with sloppy play and not playing focused for 4 quarters... may haunt them as the teams get better...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 30, 2017, 08:28:32 PM
It was a good game here in Sewanee.  Hendrix converted  two Sewanee INTs to touchdowns late in the first half and moved out to a 4 TD lead late in the 3rd.  Our guys then went on a tear and had the tying TD w/ 15s left in the game called back on a holding call.  Final: Hendrix 48-42.

An odd thing: Hendrix squib kicked every kickoff.  Any of y'all who regularly follow the Warriors know why?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 01, 2017, 02:45:16 PM
awadelewis: this year the warriors have really struggled to cover on punt and kickoff. traditional kicks have really not worked well for them thus far. defensive injuries have also caused some of the younger/better special teams players to move into the D depth chart and the special teams guys now skew even younger and are trying to put it all together I think.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 02, 2017, 06:42:19 AM
Proud of my alma mater, hitting the top 25 for the first time.  Go Berry, #24 in the nation!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2017, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 02, 2017, 06:42:19 AM
Proud of my alma mater, hitting the top 25 for the first time.  Go Berry, #24 in the nation!

Your program has come a VERY long way in a very short time.   Congratulations!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 02, 2017, 12:14:41 PM
Makes sense now.   Doing so didn't seem to impact the Warriors too much as most kicks ended up in around the Sewanee 20 to 30 yard lines.

It was an entertaining game and I think both teams will be difficult to play against next year with all the younger players that got time out on the field over the weekend.

Quote from: albatross on October 01, 2017, 02:45:16 PM
awadelewis: this year the warriors have really struggled to cover on punt and kickoff. traditional kicks have really not worked well for them thus far. defensive injuries have also caused some of the younger/better special teams players to move into the D depth chart and the special teams guys now skew even younger and are trying to put it all together I think.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 02, 2017, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 02, 2017, 06:42:19 AM
Proud of my alma mater, hitting the top 25 for the first time.  Go Berry, #24 in the nation!

I hope you get to stay in the poll a little longer than we (Hendrix) did in our first appearance (just one week  ::))
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 03, 2017, 11:08:35 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 02, 2017, 06:42:19 AM
Proud of my alma mater, hitting the top 25 for the first time.  Go Berry, #24 in the nation!
Sewanee is next and that game looks to be much tougher than last year.  Sewanee is playing with a lot of energy and though it hasn't always shown on the scoreboard this year.  They are a much better team.  Should be an interesting late kick-off on the Mountain this Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 03, 2017, 11:21:53 AM
awadelewis - what's the best parking strategy for visitors to Sewanee?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 03, 2017, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 03, 2017, 11:21:53 AM
awadelewis - what's the best parking strategy for visitors to Sewanee?

Back by the practice football field. Just go past the stadium and usually there are some Boy Scouts out there to help to you park looking for a donation. It'll be on the right a few hundred yards past the football stadium and the last fraternity house.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 03, 2017, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: Clark Kent on September 26, 2017, 08:58:58 PM
Why not have Coach K on WRGA radio every Tuesday night for 30 minutes during the drive home?  Why not go speak to the Rotary Club, Kiwanis, Quarterback Club etc.?  Why not send out articles of reasonable size to local media outlets highlighting the upcoming game?  Then when ole Joe picks up the paper Saturday morning to see if Rome High, Cartersville or Calhoun won on Friday night, he might just see an article about Berry hosting Centre on Saturday and decide to take the family. 

I know this is an old topic, but it's something I thought a lot about, so I wanted to respond.

To begin with, I think we overestimate the number of people who have no clue about Berry hosting Centre on Saturday, who then pick up the paper that morning, read about it, and decide to go on a whim.

But the larger issue is that, it's easy to say "Write an article previewing the home football game on the October 14th and send it to the local outlets." Until the soccer coaches want to know why you didn't send anything about their Senior Day games that took place on the 15th. And the volleyball coach is upset because they were hosting a Youth Day on the 15th, and that's something the community would have been interested in, so why didn't you send the local media outlets something about that? And how come you didn't preview the cross-country invitational on the 14th? Or the golf matches? How come you're not working to get those coaches a weekly spot on the radio?

I once interviewed a AD at a super-successful high school. And when I asked him what the trick was to having so much all-sports success, he said "I have to remember that for every coach and every athlete, their sport is the biggest deal to them." I'm not comparing D-III to HS sports, but outside of D-I, where certain sports just have revenue realities others don't, that's a good philosophy to use (and this doesn't even get into Title IX issues with some of the promotion/publicity). Every time we add one task a week like this to an SIDs plate, we're really adding half a dozen. And often, it's already a full plate
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 03, 2017, 02:54:45 PM
another week, another d3 team of the week with multiple SAA players. Congrats to William Phillips (RET, Sewanee) and Antonio White, Jr. (CB, Berry) for their appearances.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on October 04, 2017, 07:12:10 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 03, 2017, 11:35:45 AM
To begin with, I think we overestimate the number of people who have no clue about Berry hosting Centre on Saturday, who then pick up the paper that morning, read about it, and decide to go on a whim.

But the larger issue is that, it's easy to say "Write an article previewing the home football game on the October 14th and send it to the local outlets." Until the soccer coaches want to know why you didn't send anything about their Senior Day games that took place on the 15th. And the volleyball coach is upset because they were hosting a Youth Day on the 15th, and that's something the community would have been interested in, so why didn't you send the local media outlets something about that? And how come you didn't preview the cross-country invitational on the 14th? Or the golf matches? How come you're not working to get those coaches a weekly spot on the radio?

I once interviewed a AD at a super-successful high school. And when I asked him what the trick was to having so much all-sports success, he said "I have to remember that for every coach and every athlete, their sport is the biggest deal to them." I'm not comparing D-III to HS sports, but outside of D-I, where certain sports just have revenue realities others don't, that's a good philosophy to use (and this doesn't even get into Title IX issues with some of the promotion/publicity). Every time we add one task a week like this to an SIDs plate, we're really adding half a dozen. And often, it's already a full plate

So, the SID can submit a short article for publication about the upcoming home football game with championship implications between two undefeated conference rivals (as was the case when Berry hosted Centre), or about the mediocre cross country team running at a meet in Tennessee.  The choice is obvious. 

At most schools no sport is going to bring the crowds, the exposure, or the revenue that football brings regardless of division.  Priorities have to be given for the sports in-season, the teams competing for championships, the teams playing at home, and the teams bringing in the revenue. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2017, 08:38:53 AM
Quote from: Clark Kent on October 04, 2017, 07:12:10 AM

So, the SID can submit a short article for publication about the upcoming home football game with championship implications between two undefeated conference rivals (as was the case when Berry hosted Centre), or about the mediocre cross country team running at a meet in Tennessee.  The choice is obvious. 

At most schools no sport is going to bring the crowds, the exposure, or the revenue that football brings regardless of division.  Priorities have to be given for the sports in-season, the teams competing for championships, the teams playing at home, and the teams bringing in the revenue. 

Funny thing about D3 ... the factors you mention aren't priorities for all schools, and that's OK.   Many ADs believe the student-athletes on the "mediocre cross country team," having paid to attend for the school's primary purpose (e.g. an education), deserve support just as do those on the football team (who pay tuition for similar reasons) ... and would issue a release for both. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2017, 09:16:21 AM
Quote from: Clark Kent on October 04, 2017, 07:12:10 AM
... the teams bringing in the revenue.

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Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 04, 2017, 09:49:39 AM
We've reached the halfway point in the regular season so I figured I'd give my own take on SAA Power Rankings. Let me know which ones you would flip!

SAA Power Rankings - Midseason

1. Berry (5-0, 3-0)

This one is obvious. They have been the class of the league and have passed their biggest hurdle early (in addition to solid non-conference performances). Their two biggest remaining tests (Hendrix and Trinity) have to travel to Georgia as well.

2. Centre (3-1, 1-1)

One of the most complete teams in the conference that suffered a QB setback against Berry. A bye weak and a home game against one of the weaker teams so far could help them right the ship.

3. Hendrix (4-1, 2-1)

Hendrix's lone loss has come at the hands of one of the top teams in the conference and they nearly pulled off the comeback to tie the game. Other wins have have been blowouts or started as blowouts until they let the other team make things interesting. We will see if this young team can put it all together to win out or at least give Berry some trouble on the road (if they can make it out alive when they visit San Antonio).

4. Trinity (3-1, 2-0)

Trinity is undefeated in SAA play so far but still have a little work to do to jump Hendrix. Every win has been within one possession, and their toughest tests are yet to come. Though their wins have come against the middle of the pack, BSC and Millsaps are both much improved. The Tigers' lone loss came to a conference contender out west, too.

5. Millsaps (3-2, 2-1)

The Majors seem to have improved since last year, or have simply gotten better at closing out games. If there is a middle tier, Millsaps has certainly earned the right to be at the top of it after a close loss to Trinity and wins over an improved Sewanee and BSC. They'll rest this week before playing the Roos on the road.

6. Sewanee (2-3, 1-2)

With a blowout win of their own, a road win all the way in Sherman, and one-possession losses in conference play I am willing to give the Tigers a bump in the rankings. They've earned it and might be able to keep their spot if they keep it close with Berry at home this week.

7. Rhodes (2-3, 1-2)

Rhodes has been a bit of a disappointment thus far. Once considered conference contenders, they have lost to teams they were supposed to beat and were lifeless against Berry. Their close win against Willamette looks worse every week (as well as their loss to Pomona-Pitzer). Their blowout win against BSC keeps them from going lower, but they might be in danger of ceding their rivalry trophy to the Tigers this season...

8. BSC (1-3, 0-2)

BSC didn't keep it close against Rhodes but they have in other contests, including Huntingdon and Trinity (two good teams and conference contenders). We will see if they can find a spark or momentum. I really don't think they are not easy outs in any game.

9. Austin College (2-3, 0-3)

The Roos started the year with two quick and mostly easy wins, but they might have given a false impression. The teams they beat are likely not very good and are schools that are never very good in their first games. The close loss against Hendrix was not as close as the score makes it look, but they have fought in every game and won't finish the conference season winless.

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The rest of this season should be a fun one. Would you all change any of the spots?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 09:58:36 AM
Clark, this is Division III. It simply doesn't work that way. This is explicitly stated in their annual report, which you can find here:

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016-17DIII_AnnualReport_20170915.pdf (http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016-17DIII_AnnualReport_20170915.pdf)

To save you the need to scroll, I'll highlight the relevant parts

"Division III institutions offer athletics for the educational value and benefit to the student-athlete, not for the purposes of revenue generation or entertainment."

You'd save us all a lot of time if you just admitted that all this is really just about you caring about football and not caring about other sports. Honestly, that's okay. You don't have to care about the other sports as much (or at all) as you do the football program. But a D-III athletic department doesn't work that way. If you honestly think a D-III SID/AD are going to go around telling the other 20 teams in the department that since they don't bring in the revenue football does, they don't get the publicity, you really don't understand how it works.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2017, 10:24:33 AM
That said, there are certainly schools that play up the revenue angle more than others.  There are plenty of schools happy to take your $10 on Saturday afternoon and who actively seek corporate sponsorships, said money going right back to the athletic program (I presume).   And, again, there's nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2017, 10:24:33 AM
That said, there are certainly schools that play up the revenue angle more than others.  There are plenty of schools happy to take your $10 on Saturday afternoon and who actively seek corporate sponsorships, said money going right back to the athletic program (I presume).

That's true, but this revenue is not likely to be significant, given that most colleges (Berry included) do not charge students, faculty, staff, or children. And football is not the only sport that seeks sponsors, and those sponsors want to see crowds buying the game programs with their logo on it too.

This is all really not important when it comes to the two larger realities:

1. Title IX requirements: Publicity is included in this. As we can see from the OCR's recent findings against Rugters: "The University also agreed to take steps to provide equivalent publicity for men's and women's teams, including but not limited to the assignment of sports information personnel with comparable experience; and, equivalent publicity resources (such as game highlights, press conferences, and other promotional activities, such as band, dance team and/or cheerleaders at games) and media coverage.

2. The fact that we're dealing with people: Even if focusing disproportionate effort on football was not begging for a Title IX complaint, at the D-III level, football doesn't have enough power (and money) that you can just tie your rope to it. There's simply no way it's going to shield you when 20 other coaches want to know why they don't get what football does.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 04, 2017, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 10:51:27 AM
2. The fact that we're dealing with people: Even if focusing disproportionate effort on football was not begging for a Title IX complaint, at the D-III level, football doesn't have enough power (and money) that you can just tie your rope to it. There's simply no way it's going to shield you when 20 other coaches want to know why they don't get what football does.

I think this is probably less likely in the South. As someone who grew up in NJ, but lives in AL, I can tell you that disproportionate influence in football is the name of the game. As an example, most h.s. football teams down here get police escorts to away games. Think of a funeral procession, where other cars pull over to let them pass, only with police leaders and chasers and 5+ school buses packed with players, cheerleaders, the band, even a student bus or three sometimes.

Title IX only comes in to effect if someone actually notices and wants to sue. That is less likely to happen down here than it is where I grew up. Not unthinkable of course. It's just people don't really see it the same way right now. Football is king and that's just the way it is, the way it should be, the way it will be, and there will be a lot of peer pressure on anyone who tries to change it in the Deep South right now.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 11:30:36 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 04, 2017, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 10:51:27 AM
2. The fact that we're dealing with people: Even if focusing disproportionate effort on football was not begging for a Title IX complaint, at the D-III level, football doesn't have enough power (and money) that you can just tie your rope to it. There's simply no way it's going to shield you when 20 other coaches want to know why they don't get what football does.

I think this is probably less likely in the South. As someone who grew up in NJ, but lives in AL, I can tell you that disproportionate influence in football is the name of the game. As an example, most h.s. football teams down here get police escorts to away games. Think of a funeral procession, where other cars pull over to let them pass, only with police leaders and chasers and 5+ school buses packed with players, cheerleaders, the band, even a student bus or three sometimes.

Title IX only comes in to effect if someone actually notices and wants to sue. That is less likely to happen down here than it is where I grew up. Not unthinkable of course. It's just people don't really see it the same way right now. Football is king and that's just the way it is, the way it should be, the way it will be, and there will be a lot of peer pressure on anyone who tries to change it in the Deep South right now.

What "people" think is not relevant though, because Title IX complaints aren't Change.org petitions. They don't need 50,000 signatures. All it takes is one person who isn't drinking the football kool-aid to say "It's ridiculous that football gets this and we don't" and you've got an investigation on your hand that is not going to accept "football is king" as an excuse.

But again, forget Title IX. If you're the coach of the volleyball team at Alabama, I'm guessing it's easier to swallow that football gets what you don't because you're aware of eight-figure TV contracts and seven figure bowl-game payouts. There's simply not the revenue coming in from football at a D-III school that you can play favorites like that and win the internal department politics game (especially if it becomes football vs. volleyball AND men's and women's soccer, AND men's and women's cross country.)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 04, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 11:30:36 AM

What "people" think is not relevant though, because Title IX complaints aren't Change.org petitions. They don't need 50,000 signatures. All it takes is one person who isn't drinking the football kool-aid to say "It's ridiculous that football gets this and we don't" and you've got an investigation on your hand that is not going to accept "football is king" as an excuse.

You are 100% correct and I agree with you. However, as a Jewish person, I sat through my kids public elementary school Christmas Program last year and listened to her sing "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing" and more blatantly religious Christian hymns. I can guarantee you there wasn't a Hanukkah song in the mix, nor were there the non-religious Frosty the Snowman staples. If anyone was going to be that 1 person to complain about the Christmas Program to try and get it changed through the law, it would be me. But I don't care enough to do it, don't want the grief I would suffer from trying, and don't want to spend the money to bring a lawsuit. So you don't just need 1, you need 1 who cares a lot, and that is real hard to find down here. If you haven't lived in the Deep South, you won't get it. Trust me. I didn't until I moved here.

Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 11:30:36 AM
But again, forget Title IX. If you're the coach of the volleyball team at Alabama, I'm guessing it's easier to swallow that football gets what you don't because you're aware of eight-figure TV contracts and seven figure bowl-game payouts. There's simply not the revenue coming in from football at a D-III school that you can play favorites like that and win the internal department politics game (especially if it becomes football vs. volleyball AND men's and women's soccer, AND men's and women's cross country.)

Agree 100%. But again, people have to think it's wrong. Or at least one person does. And that is not as easy to find here as it is in other areas. That is just the fact. It's a great big country, and the people in it really don't see eye to eye the way we expect when we have only lived in one area of it. I will say though, I really don't think the BSC or Huntingdon ADs go out of their way for football over other sports. Heck, BSC lived for years off it's basketball program which won a couple NAIA National Titles. So it's not really an issue I've seen. Those schools are pretty much ignored by everyone without a connection to them, regardless of the sport. They aren't getting any more press for football than cc, because frankly they get none at all.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 04, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 11:30:36 AM

What "people" think is not relevant though, because Title IX complaints aren't Change.org petitions. They don't need 50,000 signatures. All it takes is one person who isn't drinking the football kool-aid to say "It's ridiculous that football gets this and we don't" and you've got an investigation on your hand that is not going to accept "football is king" as an excuse.

You are 100% correct and I agree with you. However, as a Jewish person, I sat through my kids public elementary school Christmas Program last year and listened to her sing "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing" and more blatantly religious Christian hymns. I can guarantee you there wasn't a Hanukkah song in the mix, nor were there the non-religious Frosty the Snowman staples. If anyone was going to be that 1 person to complain about the Christmas Program to try and get it changed through the law, it would be me. But I don't care enough to do it, don't want the grief I would suffer from trying, and don't want to spend the money to bring a lawsuit. So you don't just need 1, you need 1 who cares a lot, and that is real hard to find down here. If you haven't lived in the Deep South, you won't get it. Trust me. I didn't until I moved here.

Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 11:30:36 AM
But again, forget Title IX. If you're the coach of the volleyball team at Alabama, I'm guessing it's easier to swallow that football gets what you don't because you're aware of eight-figure TV contracts and seven figure bowl-game payouts. There's simply not the revenue coming in from football at a D-III school that you can play favorites like that and win the internal department politics game (especially if it becomes football vs. volleyball AND men's and women's soccer, AND men's and women's cross country.)

Agree 100%. But again, people have to think it's wrong. Or at least one person does. And that is not as easy to find here as it is in other areas. That is just the fact. It's a great big country, and the people in it really don't see eye to eye the way we expect when we have only lived in one area of it. I will say though, I really don't think the BSC or Huntingdon ADs go out of their way for football over other sports. Heck, BSC lived for years off it's basketball program which won a couple NAIA National Titles. So it's not really an issue I've seen. Those schools are pretty much ignored by everyone without a connection to them, regardless of the sport. They aren't getting any more press for football than cc, because frankly they get none at all.

I mean, I get that you're right, in general, about the deep south's placing an outsize importance of football.

But there's a reason why Berry isn't doing what Clark Kent suggested. The risk/reward math simply doesn't make sense. A few hundred extra fans per game, and few thousand dollars per year from them is simply not worth the possibility of a lawsuit from one fed-up student-athlete, coach, parent, or alum.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 04, 2017, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 12:10:38 PM
I mean, I get that you're right, in general, about the deep south's placing an outsize importance of football.

But there's a reason why Berry isn't doing what Clark Kent suggested. The risk/reward math simply doesn't make sense. A few hundred extra fans per game, and few thousand dollars per year from them is simply not worth the possibility of a lawsuit from one fed-up student-athlete, coach, parent, or alum.

Could be. Could be even simpler. The local paper, such as they are these days with most content coming from AP wires and almost no local news, simply doesn't care, the SID or AD doesn't care to devote the resource to do it, or it could be that he/she doesn't have the time to do it fairly for all, which is the point being made. I just don't know. I suspect it is more the second with shades of the first and third and including some part of the knowledge that it probably doesn't matter and therefore is a waste of time that could be better spent on other parts of the job.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 01:16:23 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 04, 2017, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 12:10:38 PM
I mean, I get that you're right, in general, about the deep south's placing an outsize importance of football.

But there's a reason why Berry isn't doing what Clark Kent suggested. The risk/reward math simply doesn't make sense. A few hundred extra fans per game, and few thousand dollars per year from them is simply not worth the possibility of a lawsuit from one fed-up student-athlete, coach, parent, or alum.

Could be. Could be even simpler. The local paper, such as they are these days with most content coming from AP wires and almost no local news, simply doesn't care, the SID or AD doesn't care to devote the resource to do it, or it could be that he/she doesn't have the time to do it fairly for all, which is the point being made. I just don't know. I suspect it is more the second with shades of the first and third and including some part of the knowledge that it probably doesn't matter and therefore is a waste of time that could be better spent on other parts of the job.

Yeah, it's certainly a combo situation.

I know I've made the point elsewhere that sports info offices seem to have done a complete 180 in the last 10 years. It's not about sending info out there for people to read (although they still do that). It's about having all the info in one central place and letting people go there. It strikes me as a far more efficient, thorough way to communicate what you deem important. If you can have all the stories, stats, info, video, audio, photos on your site or done in house, why rely on the whims of the local media?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 04, 2017, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 01:16:23 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 04, 2017, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 12:10:38 PM
I mean, I get that you're right, in general, about the deep south's placing an outsize importance of football.

But there's a reason why Berry isn't doing what Clark Kent suggested. The risk/reward math simply doesn't make sense. A few hundred extra fans per game, and few thousand dollars per year from them is simply not worth the possibility of a lawsuit from one fed-up student-athlete, coach, parent, or alum.

Could be. Could be even simpler. The local paper, such as they are these days with most content coming from AP wires and almost no local news, simply doesn't care, the SID or AD doesn't care to devote the resource to do it, or it could be that he/she doesn't have the time to do it fairly for all, which is the point being made. I just don't know. I suspect it is more the second with shades of the first and third and including some part of the knowledge that it probably doesn't matter and therefore is a waste of time that could be better spent on other parts of the job.

Yeah, it's certainly a combo situation.

I know I've made the point elsewhere that sports info offices seem to have done a complete 180 in the last 10 years. It's not about sending info out there for people to read (although they still do that). It's about having all the info in one central place and letting people go there. It strikes me as a far more efficient, thorough way to communicate what you deem important. If you can have all the stories, stats, info, video, audio, photos on your site or done in house, why rely on the whims of the local media?

Agreed. Let the people who care come to you and, if you have to, try and dream up ways to get more people to care. Trying to force the information on people, i.e. the local newspaper, is a dying method. People are increasingly caring about smaller and smaller things, and newspapers just aren't capable of profitably covering a significant number of them, let alone all of them. My Dad went years without really knowing how Wilkes football was doing in the 70s, 80s, and 90s short of calling the school. By the time the late 90s rolled around, it was one of the first things he checked regularly on the internet. Now he watches a bunch of games every year. Though as bad as they've been for the last decade, that may not have been a good thing...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 01:51:44 PM

Quote from: jknezek on October 04, 2017, 01:21:31 PM

Agreed. Let the people who care come to you and, if you have to, try and dream up ways to get more people to care. Trying to force the information on people, i.e. the local newspaper, is a dying method. People are increasingly caring about smaller and smaller things, and newspapers just aren't capable of profitably covering a significant number of them, let alone all of them.

Right. Newspapers cover high schools because there's no other way for many of high school sports to get this info, so you're providing a service. For a college to send out a news story to a paper when that story already exists online alongside better content, it's just silly.

One of the things an SID told me once is that working in that office is like being an iceberg. You might see, for example, the news story they wrote about three athletes being named to the all-conference team of the week, and think "That took them X minutes to write". But you don't see the time they spent gathering up all the stats/info and nominating those players (not to mention those who weren't picked)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2017, 02:02:42 PM
Newspapers also cover high schools because everyone in the high school is from the local area and people will purchase a copy of the newspaper. That isn't the same with colleges -- newspapers don't see coverage of small colleges as a viable way to sell on the newsstand because the student-athletes come from all over. (And, by the way, they're probably right in most markets. When you see papers that cover small colleges extensively, that's because they know people will buy.)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on October 04, 2017, 03:02:23 PM
Case in point, Blount County (TN)'s The Daily Times:  Maryville College gets a good amount of coverage in all sports. More than what could be asked for.  Naturally, high school sports get waaaaay more attention.  Blount County has a population of 127,253 in addition to the city of Maryville's 28,372 and the city of Alcoa's 9,874. Within Blount County (including Maryville and Alcoa) there are 4 high schools. The two county schools are Heritage and William Blount high schools. Both are 6A, highest classification in TN. The 2 city schools are Maryville High (6A) and Alcoa High (3A).

With that being said, the Knoxville News Sentinel (Knoxville is just over the river in Knox County) might have a blurb or two every once in a while about other metro area colleges (MC, Carson-Newman, Tusculum, TN Wesleyan, Johnson, Hiwassee, LMU) . Obviously Butch Jones & Co. get more press, which nowadays is well warranted.

Bottom line: TDT needs to cover MC. Makes no difference to KNS because the have the Big Orange Beast.

For reference, Knox County has a population of 451,324 and the city of Knoxville has 185,196.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 04, 2017, 03:15:12 PM
Apologies about not getting back to the forum about game-day parking at Sewanee until now.  Week's been busy. As @jknezek mentioned, primary parking is in the field by the baseball stadium and FB practice fields.   Do be aware that it's Parent's Weekend on the Mountain which will impact both the parking situation and restaurant availability.   

A popular option is parking along the Quad on University Ave. and in the lot behind Fulford Hall (our Admissions Office) and then walking over to the field.  That's about a 10 minute walk.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bombers798891 on October 04, 2017, 04:05:36 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on October 04, 2017, 03:02:23 PM
Case in point, Blount County (TN)'s The Daily Times:  Maryville College gets a good amount of coverage in all sports. More than what could be asked for.  Naturally, high school sports get waaaaay more attention.  Blount County has a population of 127,253 in addition to the city of Maryville's 28,372 and the city of Alcoa's 9,874. Within Blount County (including Maryville and Alcoa) there are 4 high schools. The two county schools are Heritage and William Blount high schools. Both are 6A, highest classification in TN. The 2 city schools are Maryville High (6A) and Alcoa High (3A).


That's another thing to remember.

Look at this roundup: http://www.ithacajournal.com/story/sports/2017/10/03/section-4-scores-tuesdays-live-results/729852001/ (http://www.ithacajournal.com/story/sports/2017/10/03/section-4-scores-tuesdays-live-results/729852001/)

Dozens and dozens of high schools. That's hundreds of teams, and thousands of student-athletes whose names could be in the paper any given day. Even if the colleges wasn't, as Pat said, populated with kids whose families aren't from that area, they'd be outnumbered.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on October 04, 2017, 07:00:46 PM
Rome News-Tribune, October 4, 2017.  Great job Berry!
http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/rome/sports/colleges/college-football-vikings-having-breakout-season-at-halfway-point/article_6a6d0e94-a8b2-11e7-8b15-9be28a43daf9.html (http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/rome/sports/colleges/college-football-vikings-having-breakout-season-at-halfway-point/article_6a6d0e94-a8b2-11e7-8b15-9be28a43daf9.html)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on October 04, 2017, 07:13:01 PM
SAA games are now available on Roku, Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV, and Android TV

http://www.saa-sports.com/general/2017-18/releases/20170929kp5z6g (http://www.saa-sports.com/general/2017-18/releases/20170929kp5z6g)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 06, 2017, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 04, 2017, 03:15:12 PM
Apologies about not getting back to the forum about game-day parking at Sewanee until now.  Week's been busy. As @jknezek mentioned, primary parking is in the field by the baseball stadium and FB practice fields.   Do be aware that it's Parent's Weekend on the Mountain which will impact both the parking situation and restaurant availability.   

A popular option is parking along the Quad on University Ave. and in the lot behind Fulford Hall (our Admissions Office) and then walking over to the field.  That's about a 10 minute walk.

thanks for the info!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 06, 2017, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: Clark Kent on October 04, 2017, 07:13:01 PM
SAA games are now available on Roku, Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV, and Android TV

http://www.saa-sports.com/general/2017-18/releases/20170929kp5z6g (http://www.saa-sports.com/general/2017-18/releases/20170929kp5z6g)

we looked at the app last weekend but the Austin/Berry games wasn't listed...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 07, 2017, 02:35:20 PM
first quarter isn't over yet in Conway and it's already 21-3 Warriors. We will see if Hendrix can actually play a complete game for all four...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2017, 06:00:27 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on October 04, 2017, 07:13:01 PM
SAA games are now available on Roku, Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV, and Android TV

http://www.saa-sports.com/general/2017-18/releases/20170929kp5z6g (http://www.saa-sports.com/general/2017-18/releases/20170929kp5z6g)

Pretty cool if you have one of those devices, which I don't.   However, I can cast from my laptop to my LG TV (which I didn't know about until today) so that's how I'll be watching from now on.  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 07, 2017, 06:50:43 PM
Dayton Winn shakes off a broken nose to lead the Copenhagen Towers to victory in the Mermaid Bowl. Now the second Hendrix player to win a national league championship abroad in 2017...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2017, 08:29:44 PM
Unfortunate final 2:00 of the first half for Trinity who fumble a kickoff after Rhodes took their first lead of the game, and PJ Settles makes the Tigers pay with a 23-yard completion for a second score in 20 seconds to stake the Lynx to a 20-7 halftime lead.  Settles' running/scrambling has caused the Tigers all kinds of trouble so far. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2017, 10:25:04 PM
Another wild and crazy game in San Antonio.   Trinity gets a FG on their first possession, holds Rhodes for the second time, Lynx try a fake from their own 30 and get stuffed, Tigers score 3 plays later so it's 20-17.   Rhodes 3-and-out, Trinity faces a 4th and 15 from midfield, their fake works much better, resulting in a 48-yard pass from punter Rhodes Legg to Tommy Lavine, Trinity leads 24-20.  Rhodes wakes up in the fourth quarter, score twice to lead 34-24.    Trinity then returns a kick 91 yards to make it 34-31, but are called for unsportsmanlike conduct and kick from their 20.   Rhodes drives it down to the Trinity 14, facing fourth and four with less than two minutes elect to go for it and are stopped one yard short.   Trinity has only 1:16 left and no timeouts but dink their way down field, converting two fourth downs, and Colby Doyal just squeaks a 47-yard attempt over the crossbar as time expires to send it to OT for the second time in three weeks.

In OT, Rhodes can't get a first down and a 35-yard FGA sails wide right (I think); Trinity scores on a pass from Grauer to Lavine, the third for both.

They may not be top-25 material, but the Tigers don't give up. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
This Trinity team reminds me of the mental tenacity of the teams of the early 2000's.

They don't have quite the talent of those teams (yet), but they show they have what it takes to win a close one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 08, 2017, 12:35:51 PM
Agreed. Looks like they are reloading the program with the right kinda guys...

Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
This Trinity team reminds me of the mental tenacity of the teams of the early 2000's.

They don't have quite the talent of those teams (yet), but they show they have what it takes to win a close one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2017, 07:09:38 PM
Berry jumps to #19 in the latest D3football.com Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2017/week6).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on October 09, 2017, 02:16:56 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2017, 10:25:04 PM
Another wild and crazy game in San Antonio.   Trinity gets a FG on their first possession, holds Rhodes for the second time, Lynx try a fake from their own 30 and get stuffed, Tigers score 3 plays later so it's 20-17.   Rhodes 3-and-out, Trinity faces a 4th and 15 from midfield, their fake works much better, resulting in a 48-yard pass from punter Rhodes Legg to Tommy Lavine, Trinity leads 24-20.  Rhodes wakes up in the fourth quarter, score twice to lead 34-24.    Trinity then returns a kick 91 yards to make it 34-31, but are called for unsportsmanlike conduct and kick from their 20.   Rhodes drives it down to the Trinity 14, facing fourth and four with less than two minutes elect to go for it and are stopped one yard short.   Trinity has only 1:16 left and no timeouts but dink their way down field, converting two fourth downs, and Colby Doyal just squeaks a 47-yard attempt over the crossbar as time expires to send it to OT for the second time in three weeks.

In OT, Rhodes can't get a first down and a 35-yard FGA sails wide right (I think); Trinity scores on a pass from Grauer to Lavine, the third for both.

They may not be top-25 material, but the Tigers don't give up.

+k
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 09, 2017, 08:51:39 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2017, 10:25:04 PM
Another wild and crazy game in San Antonio.   Trinity gets a FG on their first possession, holds Rhodes for the second time, Lynx try a fake from their own 30 and get stuffed, Tigers score 3 plays later so it's 20-17.   Rhodes 3-and-out, Trinity faces a 4th and 15 from midfield, their fake works much better, resulting in a 48-yard pass from punter Rhodes Legg to Tommy Lavine, Trinity leads 24-20.  Rhodes wakes up in the fourth quarter, score twice to lead 34-24.    Trinity then returns a kick 91 yards to make it 34-31, but are called for unsportsmanlike conduct and kick from their 20.   Rhodes drives it down to the Trinity 14, facing fourth and four with less than two minutes elect to go for it and are stopped one yard short.   Trinity has only 1:16 left and no timeouts but dink their way down field, converting two fourth downs, and Colby Doyal just squeaks a 47-yard attempt over the crossbar as time expires to send it to OT for the second time in three weeks.

In OT, Rhodes can't get a first down and a 35-yard FGA sails wide right (I think); Trinity scores on a pass from Grauer to Lavine, the third for both.

They may not be top-25 material, but the Tigers don't give up.

Some folks were trying to follow that game from the stands at the Berry/Sewanee game.  It was wild for sure.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 09, 2017, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2017, 07:09:38 PM
Berry jumps to #19 in the latest D3football.com Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2017/week6).

Bigger than expected.  You don't generally expect that many teams to lose ahead of you in the polls.

Berry is 6-0 with an 11 game win streak going back into last season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 09, 2017, 11:42:21 AM
two really good games in the SAA this weekend - I'm excited.

Hendrix brings the conference's top offense (and the country's best QB) into hostile territory as #19 Berry continues to make history. This could be the last opportunity any team has to knock off the Vikings in a season that really looks like they are going to run the table.

Trinity also gets to host Centre in San Antonio. This is a long trip for the Colonels who are still in the hunt. If Trinity can knock them off then they will cement themselves in the upper tier of the league and get a home game against the Warriors the following week.

Looking forward to these matchups...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 09, 2017, 02:43:13 PM
Quote from: albatross on October 09, 2017, 11:42:21 AM
two really good games in the SAA this weekend - I'm excited.

Hendrix brings the conference's top offense (and the country's best QB) into hostile territory as #19 Berry continues to make history. This could be the last opportunity any team has to knock off the Vikings in a season that really looks like they are going to run the table.

Trinity also gets to host Centre in San Antonio. This is a long trip for the Colonels who are still in the hunt. If Trinity can knock them off then they will cement themselves in the upper tier of the league and get a home game against the Warriors the following week.

Looking forward to these matchups...

albatross is right .. two good and interesting games loom ... prob the best games of the 2nd half of the season.  I do not think Centre will lose again ... and I do not have a handle on how good Hendrix and Trinity are.  Saturday will be fun.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 09, 2017, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2017, 07:09:38 PM
Berry jumps to #19 in the latest D3football.com Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2017/week6).

99 times out of 100, when Berry does something, they do it right.  God bless the committee that hired Coach K.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2017, 04:56:00 PM
SAA POTW (http://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20171009m82n0o) announced:

Offense - Miles Thompson - Sophomore QB - Hendrix

Like he has all season, Thompson was outstanding Saturday. The Warrior signal caller finished 17-for-21 (81.0 percent) for 262 yards and two touchdowns through the air. He also added 15 rushes for 111 yards and four touchdowns. Thompson continues to lead the nation in total points per game and total touchdowns. More importantly, he has led the Warriors to a 5-1 record.

Defense - Mamadou Soumahoro - Senior DE - Berry

Soumahoro continued to be one the top defenders in the SAA. At Sewanee, Saturday, Soumahoro finished with six tackles, two sacks, 2.5 tackles for a loss, and a forced fumble. Berry limited a Sewanee offense averaging 28.2 points per game to just 10 points. On the year, the senior defensive lineman now sits with 27 tackles, six sacks, and two forced fumbles.

Special Teams - Colby Doyal - Senior K - Trinity

Doyal finished 2-for-2 on field goal attempts and 4-for-4 on extra points. Doyal's long of the night, a 48-yard field goal, sailed through the uprights as time expired in regulation which sent the game against Rhodes to overtime. Trinity prevailed in OT for a 40-34 win.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 09, 2017, 05:04:04 PM
right on cue for the week's best games...

Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2017, 04:56:00 PM
SAA POTW (http://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20171009m82n0o) announced:

Offense - Miles Thompson - Sophomore QB - Hendrix

Defense - Mamadou Soumahoro - Senior DE - Berry

Special Teams - Colby Doyal - Senior K - Trinity
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2017, 09:46:02 AM
Hendrix' Thompson named to the D3football.com Team of the Week (http://www.d3football.com/awards/tow/2017/week6).

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on October 10, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
A way too early look at playoff possibilities makes me believe that either Hendrix or Trinity needs to win the SAA. That would put one team close to UMHB or HSU.

SCAC winner can go to Linfield.

The other team would have to be flown in to face either UMHB or HSU. Any thoughts on who that could be should Trinity or Hendrix win the SAA?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 10, 2017, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 10, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
A way too early look at playoff possibilities makes me believe that either Hendrix or Trinity needs to win the SAA. That would put one team close to UMHB or HSU.

SCAC winner can go to Linfield.

The other team would have to be flown in to face either UMHB or HSU. Any thoughts on who that could be should Trinity or Hendrix win the SAA?

you're right in that a Trinity/HDX win bodes will for delaying the inevitable ASC matchup in the event both teams make it. Berry will likely play the USA South or ODAC champion (no data used for this just thinking off the top of my head) if they win.

When you say SCAC do you mean the California conference since the SCAC is now defunct, football-wise? The only thing that might alter the landscape is a Hendrix conference win. If Hendrix wins, they are just as likely to play Huntingdon as UMHB if they win the USA South, in my opinion. Hendrix/Maryville likely sends Hendrix to Texas and Maryville to ODAC land or Ohio.

Also have not considered seeding questions in any of this...only first round $$ and geography...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2017, 08:55:57 AM
Berry is featured in this week's Around the South (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017/berry-trying-not-believe-hype).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 11, 2017, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2017, 08:55:57 AM
Berry is featured in this week's Around the South (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017/berry-trying-not-believe-hype).
I greatly enjoyed reading this article.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2017, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 11, 2017, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2017, 08:55:57 AM
Berry is featured in this week's Around the South (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017/berry-trying-not-believe-hype).
I greatly enjoyed reading this article.

Glad to hear it! Share it with your friends! Click on an ad. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 11, 2017, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2017, 08:55:57 AM
Berry is featured in this week's Around the South (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017/berry-trying-not-believe-hype).

thanks for the story!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on October 11, 2017, 04:31:17 PM
Enjoyed the article on Berry.  Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2017, 04:43:15 PM
Austin's game at Trinity on Nov 4 moved from 1pm to 6pm so it can be broadcast live on something called Citywide Sports Network, apparently a local effort in San Antonio that shows college games of local interest on the lesser channels in town (like the CW affilliate).   Most of the time they broadcast UTSA football.

http://www.acroos.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20171011lo5gmp

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 11, 2017, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2017, 04:43:15 PM
Austin's game at Trinity on Nov 4 moved from 1pm to 6pm so it can be broadcast live on something called Citywide Sports Network, apparently a local effort in San Antonio that shows college games of local interest on the lesser channels in town (like the CW affilliate).   Most of the time they broadcast UTSA football.

http://www.acroos.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20171011lo5gmp

How's THAT for good local coverage!  ;) :o
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on October 11, 2017, 07:33:50 PM
Quote from: albatross on October 11, 2017, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2017, 04:43:15 PM
Austin's game at Trinity on Nov 4 moved from 1pm to 6pm so it can be broadcast live on something called Citywide Sports Network, apparently a local effort in San Antonio that shows college games of local interest on the lesser channels in town (like the CW affilliate).   Most of the time they broadcast UTSA football.

http://www.acroos.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20171011lo5gmp

How's THAT for good local coverage!  ;) :o

I like it!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 13, 2017, 04:29:59 PM
Freebie alert for area local youth at the Berry Vikings' next home football game: The Vikings host Hendrix at 2 p.m. Saturday and it will be a special event, a Youth & Community Appreciation Game. What's planned:

•Anyone who is a member of a youth athletic organization (sports team, ballet, anything) who shows up wearing a jersey/competition apparel will get into the game free with two parents. (three free tickets in all).

•Starting two hours before kickoff (noon), we will have bounce houses, food and other activities for all those attending.

http://johndruckenmiller.com/blog/2017/10/12/chick-fil-a-dwarf-house-sports-5/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2017, 08:27:11 PM
Trinity tried another of their fourth quarter comebacks but the hole they dug against Centre was too deep, and Centre too talented a team, as Trinity suffered their first SAA loss 27-21.

Trailing 27-7 entering the final stanza, Trinity drove into Centre territory but were forced to punt on fourth and seven.  The Colonels did a fine job of staying home on Trinity punts all day so there were no fake punts attempted.   Mitchell Globe recovered a Centre fumble at midfield on the ensuing drive, and Trinity scored on a short run a few plays later to close to within 27-14 with seven minutes remaining.   Centre was able to drive to midfield after receiving the kick, but on fourth-and-one with 3:30 remaining opted to punt rather than possibly give up field position.   Starting from their own 20 after the punt, Trinity drove into Centre territory before Evan McDowell ripped off a 45-yard effort to close the gap to six with two minutes to play.  The attempted short kick went harmlessly out of bounds (if you're Centre, anyway) and the Colonels were able to run out the clock with the help of a personal foul called against Trinity after the Tigers had apparently stopped Centre a yard short on third down with 1:45 (and no Trinity timeouts) remaining.

Trinity had chances early that could have changed the trajectory of the game; trailing 13-7, a dropped pass on third down deep in Centre territory (in first down territory) led to a blocked field goal attempt.   Another 51-yard attempt at the end of the first half would have closed the gap had not Centre called their last time out just before the ball was snapped; the second attempt was no good.    Coming out of the locker room, the Colonel defense stopped Trinity cold in the third quarter, and the Tiger defense showed the effects of being on a hot field too long as Centre was able to score their final two touchdowns without much difficulty.

Surprisingly, Trinity actually ended up outgaining Centre 429-401 with small margins both on the ground and through the air. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 15, 2017, 12:43:51 PM
What started as a 13-0 Berry lead at halftime and a 20-10 margin at the start of the 4th ended up a 34-10 final. The Viking defense was really the difference in this game, and they controlled things for most of the game.

Berry will likely end up the undefeated conference champion, unless Trinity catches them napping at the tail end of a long road trip.

------------

On another note, I can't believe how far Hendrix has had to travel this year: road games include Trinity, Sewanee, Berry, and Centre and are the farthest trips they could possibly take. Non-conference helped in that both were home games at least to make it 6 home and 4 away...

That should make for a pretty nice home schedule next season for an improved team at least!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on October 15, 2017, 04:48:18 PM
Quote from: albatross on October 15, 2017, 12:43:51 PM
What started as a 13-0 Berry lead at halftime and a 20-10 margin at the start of the 4th ended up a 34-10 final. The Viking defense was really the difference in this game, and they controlled things for most of the game.

Berry will likely end up the undefeated conference champion, unless Trinity catches them napping at the tail end of a long road trip.

------------

On another note, I can't believe how far Hendrix has had to travel this year: road games include Trinity, Sewanee, Berry, and Centre and are the farthest trips they could possibly take. Non-conference helped in that both were home games at least to make it 6 home and 4 away...

That should make for a pretty nice home schedule next season for an improved team at least!

Trinity comes to Berry on Nov 11
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 15, 2017, 09:54:46 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on October 15, 2017, 04:48:18 PM
Quote from: albatross on October 15, 2017, 12:43:51 PM
What started as a 13-0 Berry lead at halftime and a 20-10 margin at the start of the 4th ended up a 34-10 final. The Viking defense was really the difference in this game, and they controlled things for most of the game.

Berry will likely end up the undefeated conference champion, unless Trinity catches them napping at the tail end of a long road trip.

------------

On another note, I can't believe how far Hendrix has had to travel this year: road games include Trinity, Sewanee, Berry, and Centre and are the farthest trips they could possibly take. Non-conference helped in that both were home games at least to make it 6 home and 4 away...

That should make for a pretty nice home schedule next season for an improved team at least!

Trinity comes to Berry on Nov 11

Good catch. I must have confused Berry's schedule with HDX's...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 16, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on October 15, 2017, 04:48:18 PM
Quote from: albatross on October 15, 2017, 12:43:51 PM
What started as a 13-0 Berry lead at halftime and a 20-10 margin at the start of the 4th ended up a 34-10 final. The Viking defense was really the difference in this game, and they controlled things for most of the game.

Berry will likely end up the undefeated conference champion, unless Trinity catches them napping at the tail end of a long road trip.

------------

On another note, I can't believe how far Hendrix has had to travel this year: road games include Trinity, Sewanee, Berry, and Centre and are the farthest trips they could possibly take. Non-conference helped in that both were home games at least to make it 6 home and 4 away...

That should make for a pretty nice home schedule next season for an improved team at least!

Trinity comes to Berry on Nov 11

Berry schedule
at Millsaps
at Birmingham Southern
OFF
Trinity

Late OFF week for Berry this year.  I believe the coaches started rotating more players as they could to rest legs until they get to the end.  I know several fans in our tailgate were worried about it early in the season.  We will see with 2 more weeks until the break, but I am not as worried about this as I was before, they seem to be well rested.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2017, 04:15:24 PM
SAA PoTWs:

Offense: Colt Collins, QB, Austin (14-of-23 for 239 yds, 3TDs, also 38 yds and 1 TD rushing)
Defense:  Mitchell Globe, LB, Trinity (14 tackles, fumble recovery)
Special Teams:  Trey Gregory, K, Berry (2/2 FGs, 4-for-4 PATs)

http://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20171016kcxqt0
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2017, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 16, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on October 15, 2017, 04:48:18 PM
Quote from: albatross on October 15, 2017, 12:43:51 PM
What started as a 13-0 Berry lead at halftime and a 20-10 margin at the start of the 4th ended up a 34-10 final. The Viking defense was really the difference in this game, and they controlled things for most of the game.

Berry will likely end up the undefeated conference champion, unless Trinity catches them napping at the tail end of a long road trip.

------------

On another note, I can't believe how far Hendrix has had to travel this year: road games include Trinity, Sewanee, Berry, and Centre and are the farthest trips they could possibly take. Non-conference helped in that both were home games at least to make it 6 home and 4 away...

That should make for a pretty nice home schedule next season for an improved team at least!

Trinity comes to Berry on Nov 11

Berry schedule
at Millsaps
at Birmingham Southern
OFF
Trinity

Late OFF week for Berry this year.  I believe the coaches started rotating more players as they could to rest legs until they get to the end.  I know several fans in our tailgate were worried about it early in the season.  We will see with 2 more weeks until the break, but I am not as worried about this as I was before, they seem to be well rested.
Rotating players builds depth over several years. It gets better players into your system at a younger age.

Look at UMHB or Linfield or Mount Union. They just re-load!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: paparcc on October 17, 2017, 06:54:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2017, 04:52:44 PM

Late OFF week for Berry this year.  I believe the coaches started rotating more players as they could to rest legs until they get to the end.  I know several fans in our tailgate were worried about it early in the season.  We will see with 2 more weeks until the break, but I am not as worried about this as I was before, they seem to be well rested.

Rotating players builds depth over several years. It gets better players into your system at a younger age.  Look at UMHB or Linfield or Mount Union. They just re-load!
[/quote]

Not only do players learn the system sooner, it keeps them around.  A lot of 2016 freshmen players didn't return to Berry in 2017 because their chances of playing were slim.  Most gave up football entirely.  That's normal I guess.  But teams made up primarily of Fr and So's usually aren't very good.  So it's a dilemma for coaches to keep guys around, pay their dues, and wait their turn til they become Jr's & Sr's.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 17, 2017, 08:23:48 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2017, 04:15:24 PM
SAA PoTWs:

Offense: Colt Collins, QB, Austin (14-of-23 for 239 yds, 3TDs, also 38 yds and 1 TD rushing)
Defense:  Mitchell Globe, LB, Trinity (14 tackles, fumble recovery)
Special Teams:  Trey Gregory, K, Berry (2/2 FGs, 4-for-4 PATs)

http://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20171016kcxqt0

Congratulations to all 3. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 17, 2017, 08:27:46 AM
Quote from: paparcc on October 17, 2017, 06:54:25 AM
Quote
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2017, 04:52:44 PM

Late OFF week for Berry this year.  I believe the coaches started rotating more players as they could to rest legs until they get to the end.  I know several fans in our tailgate were worried about it early in the season.  We will see with 2 more weeks until the break, but I am not as worried about this as I was before, they seem to be well rested.

Rotating players builds depth over several years. It gets better players into your system at a younger age.  Look at UMHB or Linfield or Mount Union. They just re-load!

Not only do players learn the system sooner, it keeps them around.  A lot of 2016 freshmen players didn't return to Berry in 2017 because their chances of playing were slim.  Most gave up football entirely.  That's normal I guess.  But teams made up primarily of Fr and So's usually aren't very good.  So it's a dilemma for coaches to keep guys around, pay their dues, and wait their turn til they become Jr's & Sr's.
Seems like the defense is getting 3-4 deep in most games while the offense is only getting 2 deep at most positions.  WR probably the exception.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: paparcc on October 17, 2017, 04:54:24 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 17, 2017, 08:27:46 AM
Quote from: paparcc on October 17, 2017, 06:54:25 AM
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Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2017, 04:52:44 PM

Late OFF week for Berry this year.  I believe the coaches started rotating more players as they could to rest legs until they get to the end.  I know several fans in our tailgate were worried about it early in the season.  We will see with 2 more weeks until the break, but I am not as worried about this as I was before, they seem to be well rested.

Rotating players builds depth over several years. It gets better players into your system at a younger age.  Look at UMHB or Linfield or Mount Union. They just re-load!

Not only do players learn the system sooner, it keeps them around.  A lot of 2016 freshmen players didn't return to Berry in 2017 because their chances of playing were slim.  Most gave up football entirely.  That's normal I guess.  But teams made up primarily of Fr and So's usually aren't very good.  So it's a dilemma for coaches to keep guys around, pay their dues, and wait their turn til they become Jr's & Sr's.
Seems like the defense is getting 3-4 deep in most games while the offense is only getting 2 deep at most positions.  WR probably the exception.
RB's went 1-2-3 deep against Hendrix.  The 2-3-4 guys rotated while Collins was out the prior 2 weeks.  It's a long season and they're going to need all of them.  Always good to have depth and guys contributing.  Builds morale along with camaraderie a true sense of being a team.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 18, 2017, 09:01:18 AM
Occidental situation is sad.

I hate the decision for the players.  I am not sure how the administration came to this action.  Injuries are part of the game, seems like more to the story...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 18, 2017, 09:07:17 AM
I don't think there's any way this happens if the school is "behind" the team. This is so weird that it makes you think the administration is trying to kill the team...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 18, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
Quote from: albatross on October 18, 2017, 09:07:17 AM
I don't think there's any way this happens if the school is "behind" the team. This is so weird that it makes you think the administration is trying to kill the team...

I agree, we don't have the whole story.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on October 18, 2017, 08:34:14 PM
Well, if things keep going the way they are, I wonder if The Cru will see Berry in the playoffs. I love seeing new teams. Good luck the rest of the way!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 18, 2017, 09:14:54 PM
Hard to say.   If I was going to bet today, I would say that SAA champion would play either the ODAC or CAC champion with the USAC champion getting the other one of the two teams.   Avoids making east coast team fly in the first round.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 18, 2017, 10:53:48 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 18, 2017, 09:14:54 PM
Hard to say.   If I was going to bet today, I would say that SAA champion would play either the ODAC or CAC champion with the USAC champion getting the other one of the two teams.   Avoids making east coast team fly in the first round.

Of the teams in contention right now, Berry can only go to Huntingdon without a flight. There is no ODAC team inside 500 miles, and UMHB is definitely too far. Don't know the HSU mileage but I'm willing to bet it's too far.

See my post a few rows down. I'm wrong on Huntingdon being the only option.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 19, 2017, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 18, 2017, 10:53:48 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 18, 2017, 09:14:54 PM
Hard to say.   If I was going to bet today, I would say that SAA champion would play either the ODAC or CAC champion with the USAC champion getting the other one of the two teams.   Avoids making east coast team fly in the first round.

Of the teams in contention right now, Berry can only go to Huntingdon without a flight. There is no ODAC team inside 500 miles, and UMHB is definitely too far. Don't know the HSU mileage but I'm willing to bet it's too far.
Hardin-Simmons?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 19, 2017, 09:58:55 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 19, 2017, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 18, 2017, 10:53:48 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 18, 2017, 09:14:54 PM
Hard to say.   If I was going to bet today, I would say that SAA champion would play either the ODAC or CAC champion with the USAC champion getting the other one of the two teams.   Avoids making east coast team fly in the first round.

Of the teams in contention right now, Berry can only go to Huntingdon without a flight. There is no ODAC team inside 500 miles, and UMHB is definitely too far. Don't know the HSU mileage but I'm willing to bet it's too far.
Hardin-Simmons?
941 miles is definitely going to be a flight.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 19, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
When all is said and done, Berry actually has quite a few reasonable options. Using the NCAA TES system you get the following:

Berry --- 472 miles to W&L, 525 to Hampden Sydney, 611 to Randolph-Macon, 595 to Shenandoah.

I'm surprised W&L fits, but they do. Still, of these ODAC teams, W&L has to play all 3 contenders on the road in the coming weeks and already has a conference loss. I don't rate their odds of winning the ODAC all that high right now.

HSU over 900 miles, UMHB is 839 miles. The ASC is out.

Huntingdon is 209 miles. Averett is the only other 1 conference loss USASAC school and their loss is to Huntingdon, but they are 436 miles. Both schools are in.

BUT, and here is where it gets interesting, Rose-Hulman is 461 miles, Franklin is 463. So the HCAC is definitely in play. So the southernmost North schools are legit options.

Which leads us to Wittenberg is exactly 500 miles. Depauw is 495 miles, so the NCAC is in play.

Then you have to start going farther afield. Frostburg State is 636 miles, Wesley is 760, so the NJAC, the southernmost East region conference, is out.

Johns Hopkins out of the CC, the northern most South Conference, is 696, Ursinus is 808 miles.

CWRU, W&J and CMU are all out, so the PAC is out.

UMU is 672.


I may have missed a few, but I'm willing to bet I got most of the options. People underestimate how far you can go with 500 miles. So we tend to think there are fewer options than there really are available.



Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 19, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
I am expecting undefeated Berry to be the #4 team in the South Region and get a first round home game, and probably against Huntindgon or the USAC Pool A bid.

If they end up 5th behind JHU (whom I think wins the Centennial), then all bets are off. (That Huntingdon first round match up looks too tempting to pass up. It saves a flight.)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 09:56:41 AM
Huntingdon really is the problem, not Berry. Like I showed above, Berry has options. Huntingdon really doesn't.  RHIT and Franklin are about 550 miles. There just isn't an option in the Missouri area, Western TN, or Kentucky unless somehow Centre gets in (480 miles).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on October 20, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
I think the only football playing schools within 500 miles of HC are:
USAC conference mates Brevard, Greensboro, LaGrange, and Maryville.
SAA non-Texas schools
ASW Belhaven and LC (ETBU comes in at 501)
ODAC E&H and Guilford
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: hasanova on October 20, 2017, 11:27:27 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 20, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
I think the only football playing schools within 500 miles of HC are:
USAC conference mates Brevard, Greensboro, LaGrange, and Maryville.
SAA non-Texas schools
ASW Belhaven and LC (ETBU comes in at 501)
ODAC E&H and Guilford
Good luck to the Hawks, Hawks88.  Huntingdon's had a fine season since opening day.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 11:43:42 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 09:56:41 AM
Huntingdon really is the problem, not Berry. Like I showed above, Berry has options. Huntingdon really doesn't.  RHIT and Franklin are about 550 miles. There just isn't an option in the Missouri area, Western TN, or Kentucky unless somehow Centre gets in (480 miles).

I have stricken the non-options for Berry.

Quote from: jknezek on October 19, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
When all is said and done, Berry actually has quite a few reasonable options. Using the NCAA TES system you get the following:

Berry --- 472 miles to W&L, 525 to Hampden Sydney, 611 to Randolph-Macon, 595 to Shenandoah.

I'm surprised W&L fits, but they do. Still, of these ODAC teams, W&L has to play all 3 contenders on the road in the coming weeks and already has a conference loss. I don't rate their odds of winning the ODAC all that high right now.

HSU over 900 miles, UMHB is 839 miles. The ASC is out.

Huntingdon is 209 miles. Averett is the only other 1 conference loss USASAC school and their loss is to Huntingdon, but they are 436 miles. Both schools are in.

BUT, and here is where it gets interesting, Rose-Hulman is 461 miles, Franklin is 463. So the HCAC is definitely in play. So the southernmost North schools are legit options.

Which leads us to Wittenberg is exactly 500 miles. Depauw is 495 miles, so the NCAC is in play.

Then you have to start going farther afield. Frostburg State is 636 miles, Wesley is 760, so the NJAC, the southernmost East region conference, is out.

Johns Hopkins out of the CC, the northern most South Conference, is 696, Ursinus is 808 miles.

CWRU, W&J and CMU are all out, so the PAC is out.
UMU is 672.


I may have missed a few, but I'm willing to bet I got most of the options. People underestimate how far you can go with 500 miles. So we tend to think there are fewer options than there really are available.

Respectfully, Berry may have only 1 more option when we know who the Pool A's are.

I would prefer putting Centre in the other side of the bracket from Berry with a Berry-friendly team so I might avoid a second round plane flight in to one corner of that bracket.

at Berry
Huntingdon
                                              Second round game
                                              Second round game
Centre
"Berry-travel-friendly"

If Huntingdon wins the first round, a plane flight is needed for Round 2.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 11:51:38 AM
With respect Ralph, the odds of Centre and HSU getting in are.... minimal. Centre will have a very limited RRO record and not a great SOS. A 9-1 Centre, with OOC wins over Hanover and Anderson that have 3 wins between them so far, isn't going to fire anyone up. I really don't see anyone else in the SAA getting regionally ranked, so Centre is going to be 0-1 with a mediocre SOS. It's not much of a resume.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 11:51:38 AM
With respect Ralph, the odds of Centre and HSU getting in are.... minimal. Centre will have a very limited RRO record and not a great SOS. A 9-1 Centre, with OOC wins over Hanover and Anderson that have 3 wins between them so far, isn't going to fire anyone up. I really don't see anyone else in the SAA getting regionally ranked, so Centre is going to be 0-1 with a mediocre SOS. It's not much of a resume.
Thanks for the response. So I think that we are anticipating a first round match up with Berry and Huntingdon...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 11:51:38 AM
With respect Ralph, the odds of Centre and HSU getting in are.... minimal. Centre will have a very limited RRO record and not a great SOS. A 9-1 Centre, with OOC wins over Hanover and Anderson that have 3 wins between them so far, isn't going to fire anyone up. I really don't see anyone else in the SAA getting regionally ranked, so Centre is going to be 0-1 with a mediocre SOS. It's not much of a resume.
Thanks for the response. So I think that we are anticipating a first round match up with Berry and Huntingdon...

It's getting increasingly hard to avoid. Plus it's a pretty pairing. Huntingdon will have an ugly loss, granted week 1, but Guilford is not helping their case. Berry will likely be undefeated. So it will look right for Berry to host Huntingdon in a 4-8 type match up. That leaves the two ASC and two West Coast conference winners paired again, most likely. Hopefully they will spring for the extra flight, sending Linfield to HSU (based on common opponent?) and maybe Chapman/SCIAC winner to UMHB. Avoids any first round rematches, even if some of those teams probably deserve better. Then pair the winners in round 2, where again, they probably deserve better but it is what it is. Meanwhile, winner of Berry/Huntingdon can go a Southern North match up or they just start flying them somewhere, kind of inevitable if Huntingdon wins.

The ODAC winner coming from most likely Shenandoah, H-SC, W&L or RMC can go a lot of places, so that's no big deal.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 20, 2017, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 11:51:38 AM
With respect Ralph, the odds of Centre and HSU getting in are.... minimal. Centre will have a very limited RRO record and not a great SOS. A 9-1 Centre, with OOC wins over Hanover and Anderson that have 3 wins between them so far, isn't going to fire anyone up. I really don't see anyone else in the SAA getting regionally ranked, so Centre is going to be 0-1 with a mediocre SOS. It's not much of a resume.
Thanks for the response. So I think that we are anticipating a first round match up with Berry and Huntingdon...

It's getting increasingly hard to avoid. Plus it's a pretty pairing. Huntingdon will have an ugly loss, granted week 1, but Guilford is not helping their case. Berry will likely be undefeated. So it will look right for Berry to host Huntingdon in a 4-8 type match up. That leaves the two ASC and two West Coast conference winners paired again, most likely. Hopefully they will spring for the extra flight, sending Linfield to HSU (based on common opponent?) and maybe Chapman/SCIAC winner to UMHB. Avoids any first round rematches, even if some of those teams probably deserve better. Then pair the winners in round 2, where again, they probably deserve better but it is what it is. Meanwhile, winner of Berry/Huntingdon can go a Southern North match up or they just start flying them somewhere, kind of inevitable if Huntingdon wins.

The ODAC winner coming from most likely Shenandoah, H-SC, W&L or RMC can go a lot of places, so that's no big deal.

well said. Huntingdon is the team that could lock it all up, pretty much. I hope they spring for the extra flight regarding SCIAC/West Coast and ASC. That would make things a lot more entertaining...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: paparcc on October 20, 2017, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: albatross on October 20, 2017, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 11:51:38 AM
With respect Ralph, the odds of Centre and HSU getting in are.... minimal. Centre will have a very limited RRO record and not a great SOS. A 9-1 Centre, with OOC wins over Hanover and Anderson that have 3 wins between them so far, isn't going to fire anyone up. I really don't see anyone else in the SAA getting regionally ranked, so Centre is going to be 0-1 with a mediocre SOS. It's not much of a resume.
Thanks for the response. So I think that we are anticipating a first round match up with Berry and Huntingdon...

It's getting increasingly hard to avoid. Plus it's a pretty pairing. Huntingdon will have an ugly loss, granted week 1, but Guilford is not helping their case. Berry will likely be undefeated. So it will look right for Berry to host Huntingdon in a 4-8 type match up. That leaves the two ASC and two West Coast conference winners paired again, most likely. Hopefully they will spring for the extra flight, sending Linfield to HSU (based on common opponent?) and maybe Chapman/SCIAC winner to UMHB. Avoids any first round rematches, even if some of those teams probably deserve better. Then pair the winners in round 2, where again, they probably deserve better but it is what it is. Meanwhile, winner of Berry/Huntingdon can go a Southern North match up or they just start flying them somewhere, kind of inevitable if Huntingdon wins.

The ODAC winner coming from most likely Shenandoah, H-SC, W&L or RMC can go a lot of places, so that's no big deal.

well said. Huntingdon is the team that could lock it all up, pretty much. I hope they spring for the extra flight regarding SCIAC/West Coast and ASC. That would make things a lot more entertaining...

I'm new to this playoff stuff so it's interesting and educational to read the thoughts of knowledgeable people.

However, me thinks we Berry fans, and especially coaches and players, need to just concern ourselves with Milsaps, Birmingham-Southern, and Trinity....one at a time.  The rest is totally beyond our control.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: paparcc on October 20, 2017, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: albatross on October 20, 2017, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 11:51:38 AM
With respect Ralph, the odds of Centre and HSU getting in are.... minimal. Centre will have a very limited RRO record and not a great SOS. A 9-1 Centre, with OOC wins over Hanover and Anderson that have 3 wins between them so far, isn't going to fire anyone up. I really don't see anyone else in the SAA getting regionally ranked, so Centre is going to be 0-1 with a mediocre SOS. It's not much of a resume.
Thanks for the response. So I think that we are anticipating a first round match up with Berry and Huntingdon...

It's getting increasingly hard to avoid. Plus it's a pretty pairing. Huntingdon will have an ugly loss, granted week 1, but Guilford is not helping their case. Berry will likely be undefeated. So it will look right for Berry to host Huntingdon in a 4-8 type match up. That leaves the two ASC and two West Coast conference winners paired again, most likely. Hopefully they will spring for the extra flight, sending Linfield to HSU (based on common opponent?) and maybe Chapman/SCIAC winner to UMHB. Avoids any first round rematches, even if some of those teams probably deserve better. Then pair the winners in round 2, where again, they probably deserve better but it is what it is. Meanwhile, winner of Berry/Huntingdon can go a Southern North match up or they just start flying them somewhere, kind of inevitable if Huntingdon wins.

The ODAC winner coming from most likely Shenandoah, H-SC, W&L or RMC can go a lot of places, so that's no big deal.

well said. Huntingdon is the team that could lock it all up, pretty much. I hope they spring for the extra flight regarding SCIAC/West Coast and ASC. That would make things a lot more entertaining...

I'm new to this playoff stuff so it's interesting and educational to read the thoughts of knowledgeable people.

However, me thinks we Berry fans, and especially coaches and players, need to just concern ourselves with Milsaps, Birmingham-Southern, and Trinity....one at a time.  The rest is totally beyond our control.   

From a team and player point of view that is 100% correct. From a fan point of view, you will quickly learn that speculating, and being completely wrong, about obscure first round match ups is part of the joy of this board.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 11:51:38 AM
With respect Ralph, the odds of Centre and HSU getting in are.... minimal. Centre will have a very limited RRO record and not a great SOS. A 9-1 Centre, with OOC wins over Hanover and Anderson that have 3 wins between them so far, isn't going to fire anyone up. I really don't see anyone else in the SAA getting regionally ranked, so Centre is going to be 0-1 with a mediocre SOS. It's not much of a resume.
Thanks for the response. So I think that we are anticipating a first round match up with Berry and Huntingdon...

It's getting increasingly hard to avoid. Plus it's a pretty pairing. Huntingdon will have an ugly loss, granted week 1, but Guilford is not helping their case. Berry will likely be undefeated. So it will look right for Berry to host Huntingdon in a 4-8 type match up. That leaves the two ASC and two West Coast conference winners paired again, most likely. Hopefully they will spring for the extra flight, sending Linfield to HSU (based on common opponent?) and maybe Chapman/SCIAC winner to UMHB. Avoids any first round rematches, even if some of those teams probably deserve better. Then pair the winners in round 2, where again, they probably deserve better but it is what it is. Meanwhile, winner of Berry/Huntingdon can go a Southern North match up or they just start flying them somewhere, kind of inevitable if Huntingdon wins.

The ODAC winner coming from most likely Shenandoah, H-SC, W&L or RMC can go a lot of places, so that's no big deal.
+1!  I agree. IMHO, Chapman would be a #3 (or maybe a #4) in the East Regional and everyone else might be the #1 in the East Regional.

jknezek,

Can you give me your first guess at the South Regional Rankings (not your South Region Fan Poll ballot) as they will appear to the National Committee, 1-10?

Thanks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 04:23:23 PM
Quote from: paparcc on October 20, 2017, 02:53:06 PM


I'm new to this playoff stuff so it's interesting and educational to read the thoughts of knowledgeable people.

However, me thinks we Berry fans, and especially coaches and players, need to just concern ourselves with Milsaps, Birmingham-Southern, and Trinity....one at a time.  The rest is totally beyond our control.   

Welcome to the Boards around Playoff Time.

This is when it gets fun!

This page of FAQ's will help you.

http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs

Be sure to do the Monday Morning podcasts and read the articles on the front page of the website.

After 2 or 3 seasons, you will get to where you can predict most of the picks and understand why the committee went with the teams that they did, whether you agree or not.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 04:38:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 11:51:38 AM
With respect Ralph, the odds of Centre and HSU getting in are.... minimal. Centre will have a very limited RRO record and not a great SOS. A 9-1 Centre, with OOC wins over Hanover and Anderson that have 3 wins between them so far, isn't going to fire anyone up. I really don't see anyone else in the SAA getting regionally ranked, so Centre is going to be 0-1 with a mediocre SOS. It's not much of a resume.
Thanks for the response. So I think that we are anticipating a first round match up with Berry and Huntingdon...

It's getting increasingly hard to avoid. Plus it's a pretty pairing. Huntingdon will have an ugly loss, granted week 1, but Guilford is not helping their case. Berry will likely be undefeated. So it will look right for Berry to host Huntingdon in a 4-8 type match up. That leaves the two ASC and two West Coast conference winners paired again, most likely. Hopefully they will spring for the extra flight, sending Linfield to HSU (based on common opponent?) and maybe Chapman/SCIAC winner to UMHB. Avoids any first round rematches, even if some of those teams probably deserve better. Then pair the winners in round 2, where again, they probably deserve better but it is what it is. Meanwhile, winner of Berry/Huntingdon can go a Southern North match up or they just start flying them somewhere, kind of inevitable if Huntingdon wins.

The ODAC winner coming from most likely Shenandoah, H-SC, W&L or RMC can go a lot of places, so that's no big deal.
+1!  I agree. IMHO, Chapman would be a #3 (or maybe a #4) in the East Regional and everyone else might be the #1 in the East Regional.

jknezek,

Can you give me your first guess at the South Regional Rankings (not your South Region Fan Poll ballot) as they will appear to the National Committee, 1-10?

Thanks.

This is kind of a wag just going by what's available right now in terms of SOS and who I think might be ranked. Obviously the CC tangle unravels a bit depending on who gets ranked, and some of those teams still play. Same with CWRU and CMU and Westminster and CMU and W&J. Hard to ignore H-SC's SOS, I'm not sure CNU gets ranked in the East right now though and 2 losses is a tough pill to swallow at this point in the season.

That being said, CWRU gets credit for being undefeated, but not over HSU losing to UMHB. Same with W&J. Unless CMU gets ranked. If CMU sneaks in instead of Shenandoah, then I would bump W&J up over HSU being 1-0 RRO. If W&J is 0-0, I think HSU claims that third spot.  Centre's SOS is going to come down, but for now it looks good, and you are pairing that with a loss to my theoretical 2. That's not a bad resume. Not enough to get over an undefeated CWRU, but second best among the 1 loss teams. Ursinus over JHU right now on H2H. F&M not far behind. Hard to ignore F&M's SOS, but the loss to JHU slots them below the Blue Jays. You could push Ursinus behind JHU and F&M on SOS, but that ignores a big H2H. Luckily Ursinus and F&M still play. Shenandoah gets the 10 spot because Hobart could be ranked in the East and their SOS is significantly better than the other possibilities.

1) UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 5 SOS)
2) Berry (1-0 RRO, 60 SOS)
3) HSU (0-1 RRO, 47 SOS)
4) W&J (0-0 RRO, 197 SOS)
5) CWRU (0-0 RRO, 234 SOS)
6) Centre (0-1 RR, 55 SOS)
7) Ursinus (1-0 RRO, 194 SOS)
8) JHU (1-1 RRO, 30 SOS)
9) F&M (0-1 RRO, 17 SOS)
10) Shenandoah (0-1 RRO East, 104 SOS)

Other possibilities
CMU (0-1 RRO, 201 SOS)
Huntingdon (0-0 RRO, 142 SOS)
Westminster (0-1 RRO North, 206 SOS)

Long Shots
H-SC (0-2 RRO West and East, 8 SOS)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 04:48:46 PM
By the way, the upshot of all of that is UMHB and HSU go through to the playoffs, CWRU would block Centre from seeing the table except maybe the last round. The CC teams would figure themselves out. Berry, W&J, and Shenandoah would all B A bids. I do think an undefeated CWRU gets in, giving the south 3 of the 6? B/C slots. That would be quite a haul, but there is no way Centre gets a 4th.

And with a lot of football to play, all this will be absolute garbage long before it matters.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2017, 05:37:35 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 04:48:46 PM
By the way, the upshot of all of that is UMHB and HSU go through to the playoffs, CWRU would block Centre from seeing the table except maybe the last round. The CC teams would figure themselves out. Berry, W&J, and Shenandoah would all B A bids. I do think an undefeated CWRU gets in, giving the south 3 of the 6? B/C slots. That would be quite a haul, but there is no way Centre gets a 4th.

And with a lot of football to play, all this will be absolute garbage long before it matters.
No, not garbage!

I think that the South gets 3 at large of the 7 bids. HSU edges out undefeated Springfield for 2nd Pool B bid and undefeated Springfield gets a Pool C bid.

I like how you have described the process for the newbies on the boards.  +1!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 21, 2017, 08:17:37 PM
So... Trinity beat Sewanee today by a score of 27-21.   Trinity had a 27-0 lead in the third quarter and let us put up three touchdowns on them over about a  6-7 minute period at the end of the third and start of the fourth.   This was after Trinity's defense was skull-dragging our kids up to that point.

And I think Sewanee would have made it even more difficult on Trinity except for the refs calling a rather dubious roughing the passer penalty and a darn silly (I said stronger words at the time) personal foul penalty by one of our defensive players.

Now that I've seen both Berry and Trinity,  advantage Berry when Trinity goes to Rome if the Vikings keep playing like they been doing so far this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2017, 11:33:13 PM
Oh, I would agree, but if Trinity could just play a full game ... against BSC, Sewanee, to a lesser extent Millsaps, TU were lights out for three quarters and then the wheels fall off.   Against Rhodes, Centre, Chapman it was iffy first 2-3 quarters and huge play down the stretch.   Let's play 48, men!   :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2017, 01:23:28 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2017, 11:33:13 PM
Oh, I would agree, but if Trinity could just play a full game ... against BSC, Sewanee, to a lesser extent Millsaps, TU were lights out for three quarters and then the wheels fall off.   Against Rhodes, Centre, Chapman it was iffy first 2-3 quarters and huge play down the stretch.   Let's play 48, men!   :)

;)  or better yet, 60!   ;)   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2017, 08:52:40 AM
LOL - maybe *that's* the problem ;-)   +1
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: paparcc on October 22, 2017, 10:47:20 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 21, 2017, 08:17:37 PM
So... Trinity beat Sewanee today by a score of 27-21.   Trinity had a 27-0 lead in the third quarter and let us put up three touchdowns on them over about a  6-7 minute period at the end of the third and start of the fourth.   This was after Trinity's defense was skull-dragging our kids up to that point.

And I think Sewanee would have made it even more difficult on Trinity except for the refs calling a rather dubious roughing the passer penalty and a darn silly (I said stronger words at the time) personal foul penalty by one of our defensive players.

Now that I've seen both Berry and Trinity,  advantage Berry when Trinity goes to Rome if the Vikings keep playing like they been doing so far this season.

Not if Berry plays like they did against Milsaps.  Yes they won, and I guess sometimes good teams find ways to win even when it's not their best effort, but that was disappointing.  Too many penalties and Berry's leading rusher had 38 yds.....that's #$%^ poor. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2017, 01:01:30 PM
I think that we saw Week #8 doldrums for a lot of teams...

Berry
HSU against TLU
W&J finally woke up after Westminster jumped to a 21-7 lead to win in OT.
Illinois Wesleyan recovered from a 10-0 halftime deficit to beat Carthage 13-10.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 22, 2017, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2017, 11:33:13 PM
Oh, I would agree, but if Trinity could just play a full game ... against BSC, Sewanee, to a lesser extent Millsaps, TU were lights out for three quarters and then the wheels fall off.   Against Rhodes, Centre, Chapman it was iffy first 2-3 quarters and huge play down the stretch.   Let's play 48, men!   :)

The Trinity-Hendrix game should be a fun one! I'm loving the close games this year...parity has improved some (save the Vikings having a stellar year and taking care of business).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on October 23, 2017, 12:44:29 AM
I went to watch my Roos play this past Saturday.  First of all, congratulations to BSC for making the plays they needed to win. AC lost by 7 and gave up a KO return and a long blocked FG return for touchdowns.  Both teams were pretty evenly matched.  I thought BSC might have a slight speed advantage in the secondary but otherwise this game was a toss up.  AC led in all statistical categories (including the bad ones) but just made two big mistakes in the kicking game. AC has two games left (Trinity & Rhodes) both away but I hope they can end up at .500 for the year!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 23, 2017, 08:01:53 AM
8-0 :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 23, 2017, 08:03:07 AM
Quote from: albatross on October 22, 2017, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2017, 11:33:13 PM
Oh, I would agree, but if Trinity could just play a full game ... against BSC, Sewanee, to a lesser extent Millsaps, TU were lights out for three quarters and then the wheels fall off.   Against Rhodes, Centre, Chapman it was iffy first 2-3 quarters and huge play down the stretch.   Let's play 48, men!   :)

The Trinity-Hendrix game should be a fun one! I'm loving the close games this year...parity has improved some (save the Vikings having a stellar year and taking care of business).

Hoping you guys can do us a favor and beat Trinity on  Saturday.  Should be a great game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2017, 08:56:16 AM
Wouldn't you rather start your playoff experience a week earlier with a must-win Game 10?    ;) 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 23, 2017, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2017, 08:56:16 AM
Wouldn't you rather start your playoff experience a week earlier with a must-win Game 10?    ;)

NOOOOOO!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 23, 2017, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 04:38:53 PM
This is kind of a wag just going by what's available right now in terms of SOS and who I think might be ranked. Obviously the CC tangle unravels a bit depending on who gets ranked, and some of those teams still play. Same with CWRU and CMU and Westminster and CMU and W&J. Hard to ignore H-SC's SOS, I'm not sure CNU gets ranked in the East right now though and 2 losses is a tough pill to swallow at this point in the season.

That being said, CWRU gets credit for being undefeated, but not over HSU losing to UMHB. Same with W&J. Unless CMU gets ranked. If CMU sneaks in instead of Shenandoah, then I would bump W&J up over HSU being 1-0 RRO. If W&J is 0-0, I think HSU claims that third spot.  Centre's SOS is going to come down, but for now it looks good, and you are pairing that with a loss to my theoretical 2. That's not a bad resume. Not enough to get over an undefeated CWRU, but second best among the 1 loss teams. Ursinus over JHU right now on H2H. F&M not far behind. Hard to ignore F&M's SOS, but the loss to JHU slots them below the Blue Jays. You could push Ursinus behind JHU and F&M on SOS, but that ignores a big H2H. Luckily Ursinus and F&M still play. Shenandoah gets the 10 spot because Hobart could be ranked in the East and their SOS is significantly better than the other possibilities.

1) UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 5 SOS)
2) Berry (1-0 RRO, 60 SOS)
3) HSU (0-1 RRO, 47 SOS)
4) W&J (0-0 RRO, 197 SOS)
5) CWRU (0-0 RRO, 234 SOS)
6) Centre (0-1 RR, 55 SOS)
7) Ursinus (1-0 RRO, 194 SOS)
8) JHU (1-1 RRO, 30 SOS)
9) F&M (0-1 RRO, 17 SOS)
10) Shenandoah (0-1 RRO East, 104 SOS)

Other possibilities
CMU (0-1 RRO, 201 SOS)
Huntingdon (0-0 RRO, 142 SOS)
Westminster (0-1 RRO North, 206 SOS)

Long Shots
H-SC (0-2 RRO West and East, 8 SOS)

Just to give the newbies a chance to see how quickly all this can change. Above is what I posted late last week. If I'm doing it today, it looks more like this:

1) 7-0 UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 28 SOS) -- see the SOS movement from one game?
2) 8-0 Berry (1-0 RRO, 76 SOS) -- SOS will continue to fall. to hold this position they need Centre to stay ranked
3) 5-1 HSU (0-1 RRO, 35 SOS) -- Big SOS jump. Might jump Berry if Berry loses the RRO result
4) 7-0 W&J (1-0 RRO, 151 SOS) -- Big SOS jump, gained an RRO with CMU, but not enough to jump HSU
5) 7-0 CWRU (0-0 RRO, 234 SOS) -- no movement
6) 6-1 JHU (1-0 RRO, 40 SOS) -- SOS drop, lose a RRO result. Moved up on SOS
7) 6-1 F&M (0-1 RRO, 30 SOS) -- SOS drop, but still moved up. Below JHU on H2H
8) 6-1 Centre (0-1 RR, 74 SOS) -- Big SOS drop, drop in the rankings
9) 7-1 CMU (0-1 RRO, 216 SOS) -- enter the rankings. SOS will improve with last 2 games
10) 5-1 Huntingdon (0-0, 98 SOS) -- SOS improvement and one loss moves them in, but no RROs makes it a weak position


Dropped Out
Ursinus (1-0 RRO, 158 SOS) -- 2 losses and pretty much out of contention for CC AQ. RRO result might have them sit 10th still
Shenandoah (0-0 RRO, 120 SOS) a loss, losing Hobart as an RRO, and an SOS drop. Triple whammy

Long Shot
Westminster (0-2 RRO North and South, 142 SOS) -- big SOS game, got another RRO result, but not the one they needed
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 23, 2017, 09:53:23 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2017, 08:56:16 AM
Wouldn't you rather start your playoff experience a week earlier with a must-win Game 10?    ;)

I must say, a locked-up SAA by Week 10 would be a little out of the ordinary considering recent history! But...even then, we are almost 100 percent likely to send a different team (as in Berry instead of Wash. U) to the playoffs. First SAA Champion to make back-to-back playoff champions should get another prize.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: hasanova on October 23, 2017, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2017, 01:23:28 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2017, 11:33:13 PM
Oh, I would agree, but if Trinity could just play a full game ... against BSC, Sewanee, to a lesser extent Millsaps, TU were lights out for three quarters and then the wheels fall off.   Against Rhodes, Centre, Chapman it was iffy first 2-3 quarters and huge play down the stretch.   Let's play 48, men!   :)

;)  or better yet, 60!   ;)   ;D
Still in HS mode, Ron?  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 23, 2017, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 23, 2017, 08:01:53 AM
8-0 :)
Glad to see 8-0.  Millsaps played well when they could have rolled over.  That was a tight game.  Penalties made it long downs several times for Berry.  Need to clean those up.  but all the same glad to be 8-0 for sure.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on October 23, 2017, 01:11:58 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 23, 2017, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 04:38:53 PM
This is kind of a wag just going by what's available right now in terms of SOS and who I think might be ranked. Obviously the CC tangle unravels a bit depending on who gets ranked, and some of those teams still play. Same with CWRU and CMU and Westminster and CMU and W&J. Hard to ignore H-SC's SOS, I'm not sure CNU gets ranked in the East right now though and 2 losses is a tough pill to swallow at this point in the season.

That being said, CWRU gets credit for being undefeated, but not over HSU losing to UMHB. Same with W&J. Unless CMU gets ranked. If CMU sneaks in instead of Shenandoah, then I would bump W&J up over HSU being 1-0 RRO. If W&J is 0-0, I think HSU claims that third spot.  Centre's SOS is going to come down, but for now it looks good, and you are pairing that with a loss to my theoretical 2. That's not a bad resume. Not enough to get over an undefeated CWRU, but second best among the 1 loss teams. Ursinus over JHU right now on H2H. F&M not far behind. Hard to ignore F&M's SOS, but the loss to JHU slots them below the Blue Jays. You could push Ursinus behind JHU and F&M on SOS, but that ignores a big H2H. Luckily Ursinus and F&M still play. Shenandoah gets the 10 spot because Hobart could be ranked in the East and their SOS is significantly better than the other possibilities.

1) UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 5 SOS)
2) Berry (1-0 RRO, 60 SOS)
3) HSU (0-1 RRO, 47 SOS)
4) W&J (0-0 RRO, 197 SOS)
5) CWRU (0-0 RRO, 234 SOS)
6) Centre (0-1 RR, 55 SOS)
7) Ursinus (1-0 RRO, 194 SOS)
8) JHU (1-1 RRO, 30 SOS)
9) F&M (0-1 RRO, 17 SOS)
10) Shenandoah (0-1 RRO East, 104 SOS)

Other possibilities
CMU (0-1 RRO, 201 SOS)
Huntingdon (0-0 RRO, 142 SOS)
Westminster (0-1 RRO North, 206 SOS)

Long Shots
H-SC (0-2 RRO West and East, 8 SOS)

Just to give the newbies a chance to see how quickly all this can change. Above is what I posted late last week. If I'm doing it today, it looks more like this:

1) 7-0 UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 28 SOS) -- see the SOS movement from one game?
2) 8-0 Berry (1-0 RRO, 76 SOS) -- SOS will continue to fall. to hold this position they need Centre to stay ranked
3) 5-1 HSU (0-1 RRO, 35 SOS) -- Big SOS jump. Might jump Berry if Berry loses the RRO result
4) 7-0 W&J (1-0 RRO, 151 SOS) -- Big SOS jump, gained an RRO with CMU, but not enough to jump HSU
5) 7-0 CWRU (0-0 RRO, 234 SOS) -- no movement
6) 6-1 JHU (1-0 RRO, 40 SOS) -- SOS drop, lose a RRO result. Moved up on SOS
7) 6-1 F&M (0-1 RRO, 30 SOS) -- SOS drop, but still moved up. Below JHU on H2H
8) 6-1 Centre (0-1 RR, 74 SOS) -- Big SOS drop, drop in the rankings
9) 7-1 CMU (0-1 RRO, 216 SOS) -- enter the rankings. SOS will improve with last 2 games
10) 5-1 Huntingdon (0-0, 98 SOS) -- SOS improvement and one loss moves them in, but no RROs makes it a weak position


Dropped Out
Ursinus (1-0 RRO, 158 SOS) -- 2 losses and pretty much out of contention for CC AQ. RRO result might have them sit 10th still
Shenandoah (0-0 RRO, 120 SOS) a loss, losing Hobart as an RRO, and an SOS drop. Triple whammy

Long Shot
Westminster (0-2 RRO North and South, 142 SOS) -- big SOS game, got another RRO result, but not the one they needed
Gained 44 spots on the SOS during our bye week? Wow. I guess it helped a lot to have Guilford and BSC both win this week. It will likely take a nose dive the next two weeks with Greensboro and Methodist coming up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 23, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 23, 2017, 01:11:58 PM
Gained 44 spots on the SOS during our bye week? Wow. I guess it helped a lot to have Guilford and BSC both win this week. It will likely take a nose dive the next two weeks with Greensboro and Methodist coming up.

Yes. The SOS is a tricky and not consistently helpful calculation in my opinion. Luckily for Huntingdon, they should win out, and primary criteria is wins. Plus, there really isn't much Huntingdon can do to improve their situation. So long as Berry wins out, there aren't many places Huntingdon can go without a flight, and frankly going to an undefeated Berry is probably better than anywhere they would reasonably be flown. There is nothing left to Huntingdon's resume that is likely to earn them a home game. So Huntingdon is actually in an odd position of having almost no options. So long as they win the AQ, I give them a 90% chance of playing Berry, and an 85% chance of going to Berry. Berry would probably need to lose both remaining games and still have the AQ (Centre losing somewhere else), for Huntingdon to reasonably expect a home game at 9-1, and even then it would likely be against Berry.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2017, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 23, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 23, 2017, 01:11:58 PM
Gained 44 spots on the SOS during our bye week? Wow. I guess it helped a lot to have Guilford and BSC both win this week. It will likely take a nose dive the next two weeks with Greensboro and Methodist coming up.

Yes. The SOS is a tricky and not consistently helpful calculation in my opinion. Luckily for Huntingdon, they should win out, and primary criteria is wins. Plus, there really isn't much Huntingdon can do to improve their situation. So long as Berry wins out, there aren't many places Huntingdon can go without a flight, and frankly going to an undefeated Berry is probably better than anywhere they would reasonably be flown. There is nothing left to Huntingdon's resume that is likely to earn them a home game. So Huntingdon is actually in an odd position of having almost no options. So long as they win the AQ, I give them a 90% chance of playing Berry, and an 85% chance of going to Berry. Berry would probably need to lose both remaining games and still have the AQ (Centre losing somewhere else), for Huntingdon to reasonably expect a home game at 9-1, and even then it would likely be against Berry.

A general question to the readers of this board...

How much is your "standard deviation" for the SOS, now that we are 8 weeks into the season?

25 places (~10%)?  50 places (~20%)? More?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on October 23, 2017, 01:59:06 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 23, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 23, 2017, 01:11:58 PM
Gained 44 spots on the SOS during our bye week? Wow. I guess it helped a lot to have Guilford and BSC both win this week. It will likely take a nose dive the next two weeks with Greensboro and Methodist coming up.

Yes. The SOS is a tricky and not consistently helpful calculation in my opinion. Luckily for Huntingdon, they should win out, and primary criteria is wins. Plus, there really isn't much Huntingdon can do to improve their situation. So long as Berry wins out, there aren't many places Huntingdon can go without a flight, and frankly going to an undefeated Berry is probably better than anywhere they would reasonably be flown. There is nothing left to Huntingdon's resume that is likely to earn them a home game. So Huntingdon is actually in an odd position of having almost no options. So long as they win the AQ, I give them a 90% chance of playing Berry, and an 85% chance of going to Berry. Berry would probably need to lose both remaining games and still have the AQ (Centre losing somewhere else), for Huntingdon to reasonably expect a home game at 9-1, and even then it would likely be against Berry.
Yeah, to get a home game we would need something like Hendrix beating Trinity, Trinity beating Berry, Berry losing to BSC, and Centre losing to either Millsaps, Sewanee or BSC and ending up with a three or four way tie with anyone but Trinity getting the AQ. If Trinity were to get the AQ then I have a feeling we are the 4th team in the Texas sub-bracket. Actually, if I read the SAA tie-breaker correctly then Berry would win the 4 way tie by way of them and Centre being 2-1 against the tied teams and Trinity and Hendrix both being 1-2 with Berry then having the head-to-head over Centre.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 23, 2017, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2017, 01:58:26 PM

A general question to the readers of this board...

How much is your "standard deviation" for the SOS, now that we are 8 weeks into the season?

25 places (~10%)?  50 places (~20%)? More?

I'm not even sure I'd look at it that way. If you are in the top 50, I'd say with 75% certainty you've had a challenging schedule. If you are in the 50-150 range, I'd say it is 75% certain you played an average type schedule. Once you get above 150, there's probably a 90% chance you've played a weaker than average schedule.

However, there is a reason for the variance. For example, right now Hope is listed at 10th for SOS and Lawrence at 13th, you flip it over and you get CMU at 216 and ETBU at 181. Any reasonable analysis of these schedules, knowing the quality of teams not just their records, will have you laughing at these numbers.

And then you just get the silly math. A 10 team conference can barely have a team with an SOS above or below .500 at the end of the season. So any time you look at an NCAC team like Denison at 8, you know it's just because they haven't played the weak part of their schedule yet. Southwestern at 4-3, barely above .500, can't keep their SOS up when the total of the 9 conference games has to be right around .500. So they will drop like a stone in coming weeks.

Meanwhile, Wash U, with no conference games this year, sits at 3. With Case and Bridgewater ahead, it's possible they could end up with the toughest schedule in the country, mathematically, but also in practice.

CMU is 7-1. Chicago is 4-3. UWW is 4-3. Wartburg is 7-0. NCC is 6-1. W&L is 5-2. Buena Vista is 3-4. Case is 7-0. Bridgewater is 4-3. Since they have almost no overlapping conference restraints, besides W&L and Bridgewater, all these teams can finish above .500. In reality, only UWW, BV and Bridgewater aren't in contention for their conference AQ. But more importantly is the math aspect. None of these teams have to lose because another one has won.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 23, 2017, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 23, 2017, 01:59:06 PM
Yeah, to get a home game we would need something like Hendrix beating Trinity, Trinity beating Berry, Berry losing to BSC, and Centre losing to either Millsaps, Sewanee or BSC and ending up with a three or four way tie with anyone but Trinity getting the AQ. If Trinity were to get the AQ then I have a feeling we are the 4th team in the Texas sub-bracket. Actually, if I read the SAA tie-breaker correctly then Berry would win the 4 way tie by way of them and Centre being 2-1 against the tied teams and Trinity and Hendrix both being 1-2 with Berry then having the head-to-head over Centre.

I had to read this like 5 times, Hawks88!  ;D If all of this happens I don't know what I will do with myself...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2017, 04:07:48 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 23, 2017, 01:59:06 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 23, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 23, 2017, 01:11:58 PM
Gained 44 spots on the SOS during our bye week? Wow. I guess it helped a lot to have Guilford and BSC both win this week. It will likely take a nose dive the next two weeks with Greensboro and Methodist coming up.

Yes. The SOS is a tricky and not consistently helpful calculation in my opinion. Luckily for Huntingdon, they should win out, and primary criteria is wins. Plus, there really isn't much Huntingdon can do to improve their situation. So long as Berry wins out, there aren't many places Huntingdon can go without a flight, and frankly going to an undefeated Berry is probably better than anywhere they would reasonably be flown. There is nothing left to Huntingdon's resume that is likely to earn them a home game. So Huntingdon is actually in an odd position of having almost no options. So long as they win the AQ, I give them a 90% chance of playing Berry, and an 85% chance of going to Berry. Berry would probably need to lose both remaining games and still have the AQ (Centre losing somewhere else), for Huntingdon to reasonably expect a home game at 9-1, and even then it would likely be against Berry.
Yeah, to get a home game we would need something like Hendrix beating Trinity, Trinity beating Berry, Berry losing to BSC, and Centre losing to either Millsaps, Sewanee or BSC and ending up with a three or four way tie with anyone but Trinity getting the AQ. If Trinity were to get the AQ then I have a feeling we are the 4th team in the Texas sub-bracket. Actually, if I read the SAA tie-breaker correctly then Berry would win the 4 way tie by way of them and Centre being 2-1 against the tied teams and Trinity and Hendrix both being 1-2 with Berry then having the head-to-head over Centre.

Could you paste the SAA tiebreaker here?   I did a cursory look for it earlier but came up empty.

Here are the SAA PoTW (http://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20171023lihsjw):

Offense - PJ Settles - Junior QB - Rhodes
- 211 yards (career high), 2TD on 19 carries; 19-of-33 passing for 288 yards, 2TD.

Defense - John Cleveland - Senior DB - Sewanee
- Career-best 13 tackles, 10 solo; 2 INTs and a forced a fumble.

Special Teams - Jake Holloway - Freshman P - Centre
- 6 punts averaging 43.2 yards, 4 inside the 20.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 23, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2017, 04:07:48 PM

Could you paste the SAA tiebreaker here?   I did a cursory look for it earlier but came up empty.


From the Football section of the SAA Operating Manual:

"In the case of two or more teams tying for the conference championship, each team will be declared a co-champion and receive a trophy. To determine the representative to NCAA postseason competition and the recipient of the conference's automatic bid, the following criteria will be used as a tie-breaker:

A. Two teams – head-to-head result from conference game played.

B. Three teams – Using the following point system:


C. If Sections A and B cannot break the tie and there are still three teams tied, then the team or teams with the fewest losses will be declared as the recipient of the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams have the equal number of losses, Section A is applied.

D. If there are still three teams tied with the same number of losses, then the percentage of each team's opponents' total overall record will be used. The team whose opponents have the higher win/loss percentage will receive the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams remain throughout any of these tie-breaking procedures. Section A is applied."
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2017, 04:41:42 PM
So Berry is really in the driver's seat.   They beat Centre and are undefeated.   Even in the off chance Trinity wins out, they have two losses already so would be eliminated by (c); Centre would be eliminated by (b).   The only scenario where Berry doesn't get the bid is one in which they either lose both to BSC and Trinity (in which case Centre gets it if they win out) or one in which Centre loses one of its next three games against the conference bottom half and Trinity wins out.     Both are possible but neither is likely. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 25, 2017, 08:27:54 AM
Looks like it is going to be a rainy day Saturday for Berry in Birmingham.  Forecast call for rain Friday night and into the morning Saturday, could be moved on by game time.  It won't make a good tailgating scene for the fans.

Does anyone know how the BSC field responds to the rain?  I expect it to be slick.  It looks like it is a good spot to drain however...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 25, 2017, 09:25:23 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 25, 2017, 08:27:54 AM
Looks like it is going to be a rainy day Saturday for Berry in Birmingham.  Forecast call for rain Friday night and into the morning Saturday, could be moved on by game time.  It won't make a good tailgating scene for the fans.

Does anyone know how the BSC field responds to the rain?  I expect it to be slick.  It looks like it is a good spot to drain however...

If I remember correctly from playing there last year, irrigation is not a problem. Water can run off the embankment on the non-stadium/highway side, and the field has the standard, "slight" slope with drains. There are also places for the water to flow from the higher elevation, like the road going behind/adjacent to the stadium. It could also maybe collect on top of the named wall behind the endzone, but my memory might be failing me there.

JK will know better than all of us - in fact I probably stared up at his tailgating spot when I was warming up!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 25, 2017, 09:41:58 AM
Drainage won't be a problem. Field is turf and well designed to drain. I was over there for a rainy Wesley game a few years ago. Water is directed around the field from the high side road and drains easily off the turf itself. How slippery is the turf I couldn't tell you versus other fields in the rain, but I'm guessing about the same. I'm kind of bummed the weather isn't looking so good. I was thinking about running over and watching the game, but I'm not sitting out there in the rain, and I'm told we have company coming in that night.

I'm also kind of boycotting BSC since they seem to have reserved my traditional spot for their own tailgates. No longer first come first served on the hill. That takes a lot of the fun out of going.

I'll still keep an eye on the weather. When a possible home seed in the South is that close to me, it's generally worth the effort to go get a feel for them in person. Even if I don't expect BSC to put up much of a fight.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 25, 2017, 11:04:34 AM
thanks for the feedback
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on October 25, 2017, 11:49:57 AM
They have brand new turf this season. We had some complaints about it, a couple of ankle injuries maybe attributed to it. When I walked on it after the game it didn't feel right, like my feet were shifting side-to-side. I didn't think there was enough of the fill/pellets in it. Maybe they have adjusted it since then.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2017, 12:34:33 PM
In other news ... Rhodes junior LB Rowdy Kowalik gets a shout out in this ESPN story on Tim Duncan's hurricane relief efforts for the USVI (he handles social media and website for the social media-averse Duncan):  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21137486/tim-duncan-brings-hope-hometown-hit-hard-hurricanes
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2017, 01:59:41 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 25, 2017, 11:49:57 AM
They have brand new turf this season. We had some complaints about it, a couple of ankle injuries maybe attributed to it. When I walked on it after the game it didn't feel right, like my feet were shifting side-to-side. I didn't think there was enough of the fill/pellets in it. Maybe they have adjusted it since then.

Brand-new turf installs usually take some time and use to settle out. These types of fields definitely feel soft when first installed and the infill packs down a little bit after use.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 26, 2017, 08:55:27 AM
I saw this Birmingham event notice:

The Magic City Classic is being played at Legion Field in Birmingham this Saturday and their kickoff will be at 2:30PM, which is only 30 minutes after our kickoff will begin. Please keep this in mind and allow yourself extra time to get to the game and avoid traffic. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns! Have a great day, Taylor Medeiros
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 26, 2017, 09:00:26 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 26, 2017, 08:55:27 AM
I saw this Birmingham event notice:

The Magic City Classic is being played at Legion Field in Birmingham this Saturday and their kickoff will be at 2:30PM, which is only 30 minutes after our kickoff will begin. Please keep this in mind and allow yourself extra time to get to the game and avoid traffic. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns! Have a great day, Taylor Medeiros

The Magic City Classic is a huge deal around Legion Field, and BSC is not far away. So yeah, that is a legitimate concern for how long it will take you to get on campus. It won't affect anything once you get on campus, but I could see traffic on I65 and I20/59 plus the surface streets being crowded.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2017, 04:26:17 PM
Ten years ago today, and I was there:  https://twitter.com/d3football/status/923969358669471745
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2017, 07:40:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2017, 04:26:17 PM
Ten years ago today, and I was there:  https://twitter.com/d3football/status/923969358669471745
Requiem in pace, History Major!

Many memories of the activities our families shared!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbzQoXuxdU
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2017, 07:48:16 PM
WOW, just WOW!!  Has anyone tried to count how many laterals there were, or how many players touched the ball?

Kudos to the OC who drew up that play! ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2017, 08:06:14 PM
15 laterals -- well-documented on that, but perhaps you're trolling.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2017, 10:04:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2017, 08:06:14 PM
15 laterals -- well-documented on that, but perhaps you're trolling.

Since I was unfamiliar with that ending until today, I had not encountered that count.  Whatever my faults, you surely know that trolling is not among them.  I tried to count, but constantly lost track; several times I thought the play had ended before it actually did.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2017, 10:54:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2017, 10:04:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2017, 08:06:14 PM
15 laterals -- well-documented on that, but perhaps you're trolling.

Since I was unfamiliar with that ending until today, I had not encountered that count.  Whatever my faults, you surely know that trolling is not among them.  I tried to count, but constantly lost track; several times I thought the play had ended before it actually did.

Here's a diagram the local daily did enumerating the laterals.   

http://www.trinitymiracle.com/mysa-20071029sports.pdf
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2017, 06:03:56 PM
Trinity puts 600+ yards on visiting Hendrix, but four turnovers and two short missed FGs were too much to overcome as the visiting Warriors hold on for a 38-35 win (after leading 21-7 at half).  The Tigers were driving for the win before being intercepted deep in Warrior territory.

A tip of the hat to the Warriors fan who wanted to fight me solely for sitting on the east side of the stadium, where my brother and I have sat without issue for the last 15 years. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2017, 09:36:18 PM
What did you think of this play, Ron?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAqFQN18CFg
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2017, 10:16:04 PM
Oh, I was pretty disgusted at the time, but it was a great play; did not realize they were brothers!  They had another after a TU DB picked off Thompson and had a decent return going, knocking the ball out of the DBs hands straight into the mitts of one of their OLs.

Thompson is a fine QB with excellent touch and accuracy.  He's also a strong guy who escaped several sacks and bought more time for his receivers to get open, such as on the last 40 yard bomb to a wide open Spainhour after getting out of the grasp of several Tiger defenders.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 30, 2017, 07:43:54 AM
9-0 and up to #17.  And thanks to Hendrix for hanging on and beating Trinity.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 30, 2017, 09:45:45 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 23, 2017, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 04:38:53 PM
This is kind of a wag just going by what's available right now in terms of SOS and who I think might be ranked. Obviously the CC tangle unravels a bit depending on who gets ranked, and some of those teams still play. Same with CWRU and CMU and Westminster and CMU and W&J. Hard to ignore H-SC's SOS, I'm not sure CNU gets ranked in the East right now though and 2 losses is a tough pill to swallow at this point in the season.

That being said, CWRU gets credit for being undefeated, but not over HSU losing to UMHB. Same with W&J. Unless CMU gets ranked. If CMU sneaks in instead of Shenandoah, then I would bump W&J up over HSU being 1-0 RRO. If W&J is 0-0, I think HSU claims that third spot.  Centre's SOS is going to come down, but for now it looks good, and you are pairing that with a loss to my theoretical 2. That's not a bad resume. Not enough to get over an undefeated CWRU, but second best among the 1 loss teams. Ursinus over JHU right now on H2H. F&M not far behind. Hard to ignore F&M's SOS, but the loss to JHU slots them below the Blue Jays. You could push Ursinus behind JHU and F&M on SOS, but that ignores a big H2H. Luckily Ursinus and F&M still play. Shenandoah gets the 10 spot because Hobart could be ranked in the East and their SOS is significantly better than the other possibilities.

1) UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 5 SOS)
2) Berry (1-0 RRO, 60 SOS)
3) HSU (0-1 RRO, 47 SOS)
4) W&J (0-0 RRO, 197 SOS)
5) CWRU (0-0 RRO, 234 SOS)
6) Centre (0-1 RR, 55 SOS)
7) Ursinus (1-0 RRO, 194 SOS)
8) JHU (1-1 RRO, 30 SOS)
9) F&M (0-1 RRO, 17 SOS)
10) Shenandoah (0-1 RRO East, 104 SOS)

Other possibilities
CMU (0-1 RRO, 201 SOS)
Huntingdon (0-0 RRO, 142 SOS)
Westminster (0-1 RRO North, 206 SOS)

Long Shots
H-SC (0-2 RRO West and East, 8 SOS)

Just to give the newbies a chance to see how quickly all this can change. Above is what I posted late last week. If I'm doing it today, it looks more like this:

1) 7-0 UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 28 SOS) -- see the SOS movement from one game?
2) 8-0 Berry (1-0 RRO, 76 SOS) -- SOS will continue to fall. to hold this position they need Centre to stay ranked
3) 5-1 HSU (0-1 RRO, 35 SOS) -- Big SOS jump. Might jump Berry if Berry loses the RRO result
4) 7-0 W&J (1-0 RRO, 151 SOS) -- Big SOS jump, gained an RRO with CMU, but not enough to jump HSU
5) 7-0 CWRU (0-0 RRO, 234 SOS) -- no movement
6) 6-1 JHU (1-0 RRO, 40 SOS) -- SOS drop, lose a RRO result. Moved up on SOS
7) 6-1 F&M (0-1 RRO, 30 SOS) -- SOS drop, but still moved up. Below JHU on H2H
8) 6-1 Centre (0-1 RR, 74 SOS) -- Big SOS drop, drop in the rankings
9) 7-1 CMU (0-1 RRO, 216 SOS) -- enter the rankings. SOS will improve with last 2 games
10) 5-1 Huntingdon (0-0, 98 SOS) -- SOS improvement and one loss moves them in, but no RROs makes it a weak position


Dropped Out
Ursinus (1-0 RRO, 158 SOS) -- 2 losses and pretty much out of contention for CC AQ. RRO result might have them sit 10th still
Shenandoah (0-0 RRO, 120 SOS) a loss, losing Hobart as an RRO, and an SOS drop. Triple whammy

Long Shot
Westminster (0-2 RRO North and South, 142 SOS) -- big SOS game, got another RRO result, but not the one they needed

Third time -- the big difference here is Hendrix sneaking in at 10. Considering they weren't even in my long shots before it's surprising, but with 2 RROs and a monster SOS, it's hard to ignore them in favor of anyone else. A huge boost to Berry's chance to host, Centre's shot at an at-large, and a hit to JHU's limited chance to host if it blocks W&L from getting ranked. Hendrix is a dead team walking, meaning they have no chance at making the field, so while they would be the correct choice given the criteria, it's possible the committee would look elsewhere for that 10 spot to maybe a projected ODAC champion. I'd also say with games against Rhodes (3-5) and Millsaps (3-5) ahead, Hendrix won't hold this monster SOS. Westminster's SOS, despite their impressive losses, would be a non-starter for me for a spot here, though giving that spot to Westminster would improve W&J's chances to host and Case's chances to get in. With Case and Westminster playing this weekend, however, that wouldn't really have a long term effect.

One other note as we approach the first regional rankings, with the now defunct once ranked always ranked, these preliminary rankings just don't matter. It's entirely possible the committee will take the easy way out and just go by record the first week, moving HSU down below the undefeated teams. It's a cop out but would save time, especially for something that has no meaning when they sit down and do the important ranking at the end of the season.


1) 8-0 UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 41 SOS) -- SOS keeps moving down
2) 9-0 Berry (2-0 RRO, 114 SOS) -- SOS has plummeted, but an extra RRO win has them looking good to host
3) 6-1 HSU (0-1 RRO, 35 SOS) -- Big SOS jump. Might jump Berry if Berry loses the RRO result
4) 8-0 W&J (1-0 RRO, 163 SOS) -- Meandering SOS doesn't help
5) 8-0 CWRU (0-0 RRO, 235 SOS) -- SOS should start moving up with last couple games, but Wash U hurts
6) 7-1 Centre (1-1 RR, 76 SOS) -- SOS held steady and picked up an RRO with Hendrix. Huge for at large chances, especially if CWRU loses one of their last 2
7) 7-1 JHU (1-0 RRO, 17 SOS) -- Big SOS gain. If W&L keeps winning, JHU's SOS will be ok. Jumped by Centre on Hendrix moving in
8) 7-1 F&M (0-1 RRO, 94 SOS) -- SOS dropped like a stone
9) 6-1 Huntingdon (0-0 RRO, 128 SOS) -- no RROs and a weak finish. Their SOS will continue to fall
10) 5-2 Hendrix (0-2 RRO, 13 SOS) -- who sees this coming? But a huge boost to Berry and Centre if they can hold position


Dropped Out
7-2 CMU (0-1 RRO, 206 SOS) -- tough loss to a good team

Long Shot
Westminster (0-2 RRO North and South, 142 SOS) -- big win but winning robs them of the RRO result
6-2 W&L (0-1 RRO, 54 SOS)
5-2 Shenandoah (0-0 RRO, 141 SOS)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2017, 10:18:29 AM
HX's remaining games against 3-5 Rhodes, 3-6 Sewanee will take care of the SOS. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 30, 2017, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2017, 10:18:29 AM
HX's remaining games against 3-5 Rhodes, 3-6 Sewanee will take care of the SOS.

Rhodes and Millsaps. And yes, I put that in the paragraph at the top. But I'm doing this on a week by week and not trying to look at projections.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 30, 2017, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 30, 2017, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2017, 10:18:29 AM
HX's remaining games against 3-5 Rhodes, 3-6 Sewanee will take care of the SOS.

Rhodes and Millsaps. And yes, I put that in the paragraph at the top. But I'm doing this on a week by week and not trying to look at projections.

Yep... we close the season next week with Centre coming to the Mountain.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2017, 03:37:51 PM
Thanks for the correction (but point still true  ;) )

Meanwhile, Hendrix won this week's d3football.com PoTW (http://www.d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2017/week9).   I've been to four games this year and have seen two PoTWs in person, sadly this one went against us but it was a heck of a play.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 30, 2017, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2017, 03:37:51 PM
Thanks for the correction (but point still true  ;) )

Meanwhile, Hendrix won this week's d3football.com PoTW (http://www.d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2017/week9).   I've been to four games this year and have seen two PoTWs in person, sadly this one went against us but it was a heck of a play.

not only are they brothers - they are identical twins! sorry to hear about the confrontation related to seating, Hendrix is known to have strong road attendance (and a few parents, make that a very loud few, are known to be uh...strong-willed...).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 31, 2017, 09:27:46 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2017, 03:37:51 PM
Thanks for the correction (but point still true  ;) )

Meanwhile, Hendrix won this week's d3football.com PoTW (http://www.d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2017/week9).   I've been to four games this year and have seen two PoTWs in person, sadly this one went against us but it was a heck of a play.

That was an amazing play.  I can hear the coaches now ... Always be running to the ball, you never know how the ball might bounce.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 31, 2017, 09:43:36 AM
Congrats to Berry's Soumahoro.  Another player of the week award.  But this time the special teams award is for blocking 2 extra points.

http://berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/soumahoro_potw_2
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 31, 2017, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 30, 2017, 09:45:45 AM

Third time -- the big difference here is Hendrix sneaking in at 10. Considering they weren't even in my long shots before it's surprising, but with 2 RROs and a monster SOS, it's hard to ignore them in favor of anyone else. A huge boost to Berry's chance to host, Centre's shot at an at-large, and a hit to JHU's limited chance to host if it blocks W&L from getting ranked. Hendrix is a dead team walking, meaning they have no chance at making the field, so while they would be the correct choice given the criteria, it's possible the committee would look elsewhere for that 10 spot to maybe a projected ODAC champion. I'd also say with games against Rhodes (3-5) and Millsaps (3-5) ahead, Hendrix won't hold this monster SOS. Westminster's SOS, despite their impressive losses, would be a non-starter for me for a spot here, though giving that spot to Westminster would improve W&J's chances to host and Case's chances to get in. With Case and Westminster playing this weekend, however, that wouldn't really have a long term effect.

One other note as we approach the first regional rankings, with the now defunct once ranked always ranked, these preliminary rankings just don't matter. It's entirely possible the committee will take the easy way out and just go by record the first week, moving HSU down below the undefeated teams. It's a cop out but would save time, especially for something that has no meaning when they sit down and do the important ranking at the end of the season.


1) 8-0 UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 41 SOS) -- SOS keeps moving down
2) 9-0 Berry (2-0 RRO, 114 SOS) -- SOS has plummeted, but an extra RRO win has them looking good to host
3) 6-1 HSU (0-1 RRO, 35 SOS) -- Big SOS jump. Might jump Berry if Berry loses the RRO result
4) 8-0 W&J (1-0 RRO, 163 SOS) -- Meandering SOS doesn't help
5) 8-0 CWRU (0-0 RRO, 235 SOS) -- SOS should start moving up with last couple games, but Wash U hurts
6) 7-1 Centre (1-1 RR, 76 SOS) -- SOS held steady and picked up an RRO with Hendrix. Huge for at large chances, especially if CWRU loses one of their last 2
7) 7-1 JHU (1-0 RRO, 17 SOS) -- Big SOS gain. If W&L keeps winning, JHU's SOS will be ok. Jumped by Centre on Hendrix moving in
8) 7-1 F&M (0-1 RRO, 94 SOS) -- SOS dropped like a stone
9) 6-1 Huntingdon (0-0 RRO, 128 SOS) -- no RROs and a weak finish. Their SOS will continue to fall
10) 5-2 Hendrix (0-2 RRO, 13 SOS) -- who sees this coming? But a huge boost to Berry and Centre if they can hold position


Dropped Out
7-2 CMU (0-1 RRO, 206 SOS) -- tough loss to a good team

Long Shot
Westminster (0-2 RRO North and South, 142 SOS) -- big win but winning robs them of the RRO result
6-2 W&L (0-1 RRO, 54 SOS)
5-2 Shenandoah (0-0 RRO, 141 SOS)

Shouldn't Berry's SOS improve since Trinity is the last game and would have a SOS of .600 which is higher that Berry's current OWP
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 31, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 31, 2017, 01:12:25 PM
Shouldn't Berry's SOS improve since Trinity is the last game and would have a SOS of .600 which is higher that Berry's current OWP

Maybe a bit, but a lot depends on Maryville and LaGrange. Berry's "Conference" SOS is going to be close to .500. Maybe a bit above, maybe a bit below depending on how conference mates do in OOC games with a small compounding factor for how your conference OOC records turn out. What really drives the needle above or below .500 is how your OOC opponents do. The more they win, the higher you can drag your SOS. The more they lose, the lower your SOS will go. And the more they win or lose against quality teams or poor teams you get a small multiplier or detractor.

It's just math based on records basically. So if you had an 11 team conference that played 10 conference games in a full round robin only, the SOS could only be .500. If you are the ODAC and have a 7 team conference this year, with 4 OOC games, or the WIAC with similar, high performing OOC opponents, you can really drive your SOS up.

There is a reason UWW and Wash U have massive SOS. Their OOC opponents have all done really well and they have several of them. Similarly you can look at SUNY Maritime, with 3 OOC opponents played and 5 wins between them, and you see why they have an awful SOS.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 01, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
First Regional Rankings are out:

South Region   SOS   Notes
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0
2. Hardin-Simmons 6-1 +
3. Berry 9-0
4. Washington & Jefferson 8-0
5. Johns Hopkins 7-1
6. Centre 7-1
7. Case Western Reserve 8-0
8. Franklin & Marshall 7-1
9. Huntingdon 6-1
10. Westminster (Pa.) 6-2


Versus my last set:
1) 8-0 UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 41 SOS)
2) 9-0 Berry (2-0 RRO, 114 SOS)
3) 6-1 HSU (0-1 RRO, 35 SOS)
4) 8-0 W&J (1-0 RRO, 163 SOS)
5) 8-0 CWRU (0-0 RRO, 235 SOS)
6) 7-1 Centre (1-1 RR, 76 SOS)
7) 7-1 JHU (1-0 RRO, 17 SOS) --
8) 7-1 F&M (0-1 RRO, 94 SOS)
9) 6-1 Huntingdon (0-0 RRO, 128 SOS)
10) 5-2 Hendrix (0-2 RRO, 13 SOS)


Kind of interesting. They have HSU in second. That's a SOS decision and it helps that they didn't rank Hendrix. How they chose Westminster over Hendrix is beyond me. There is nothing in the criteria right now to justify that other than Westminster having played an extra game. Hendrix has a far stronger SOS right now. JHU seems to have benefited from their SOS, to the detriment of CWRU. I'm guessing the theory here is that Case has the next two weeks to move up, so they aren't getting credit for being undefeated against mainly a pile of bad, bad, teams.

So the upshot is, they clearly went with SOS twice, giving the nod to HSU and JHU, and then for some reason completely dropped the SOS for the 10 spot. Not that it matters much except it cost Berry and Centre an extra RRO and shifted it over to W&J. Case and Westminster play this weekend, so that will sort out some of this.

And with that, I'm going to move this whole discussion over to the South Region Fan Poll thread where it probably belongs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 03:15:34 PM
Regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/first-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 02, 2017, 08:47:50 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 31, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 31, 2017, 01:12:25 PM
Shouldn't Berry's SOS improve since Trinity is the last game and would have a SOS of .600 which is higher that Berry's current OWP

Maybe a bit, but a lot depends on Maryville and LaGrange. Berry's "Conference" SOS is going to be close to .500. Maybe a bit above, maybe a bit below depending on how conference mates do in OOC games with a small compounding factor for how your conference OOC records turn out. What really drives the needle above or below .500 is how your OOC opponents do. The more they win, the higher you can drag your SOS. The more they lose, the lower your SOS will go. And the more they win or lose against quality teams or poor teams you get a small multiplier or detractor.

It's just math based on records basically. So if you had an 11 team conference that played 10 conference games in a full round robin only, the SOS could only be .500. If you are the ODAC and have a 7 team conference this year, with 4 OOC games, or the WIAC with similar, high performing OOC opponents, you can really drive your SOS up.

There is a reason UWW and Wash U have massive SOS. Their OOC opponents have all done really well and they have several of them. Similarly you can look at SUNY Maritime, with 3 OOC opponents played and 5 wins between them, and you see why they have an awful SOS.

I believe Maryville and LaGrange play this weekend.  So that won't help the average at all.  All the ooc games have been played for SAA so it seems the overall conference w/l record is available.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 02, 2017, 09:03:54 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 02, 2017, 08:47:50 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 31, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 31, 2017, 01:12:25 PM
Shouldn't Berry's SOS improve since Trinity is the last game and would have a SOS of .600 which is higher that Berry's current OWP

Maybe a bit, but a lot depends on Maryville and LaGrange. Berry's "Conference" SOS is going to be close to .500. Maybe a bit above, maybe a bit below depending on how conference mates do in OOC games with a small compounding factor for how your conference OOC records turn out. What really drives the needle above or below .500 is how your OOC opponents do. The more they win, the higher you can drag your SOS. The more they lose, the lower your SOS will go. And the more they win or lose against quality teams or poor teams you get a small multiplier or detractor.

It's just math based on records basically. So if you had an 11 team conference that played 10 conference games in a full round robin only, the SOS could only be .500. If you are the ODAC and have a 7 team conference this year, with 4 OOC games, or the WIAC with similar, high performing OOC opponents, you can really drive your SOS up.

There is a reason UWW and Wash U have massive SOS. Their OOC opponents have all done really well and they have several of them. Similarly you can look at SUNY Maritime, with 3 OOC opponents played and 5 wins between them, and you see why they have an awful SOS.

I believe Maryville and LaGrange play this weekend.  So that won't help the average at all.  All the ooc games have been played for SAA so it seems the overall conference w/l record is available.

But not all your OOC opponents have finished their schedule. An OOC who is 4-4 now, but finishes 6-4 will change the SOS a bit. As will the opponents of OOC opponents. It's a math formula, with weekly updates, so every week it changes as you could see from my attempts at predicting Regional Rankings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 02, 2017, 01:24:46 PM
I've posted on this already on the BBall boards - but don't forget to tune into the SEC Network tomorrow night to watch Centre play Kentucky!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2017, 03:28:57 PM
Quote from: albatross on November 02, 2017, 01:24:46 PM
I've posted on this already on the BBall boards - but don't forget to tune into the SEC Network tomorrow night to watch Centre play Kentucky!

And may John Calipari have mercy on their souls.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on November 03, 2017, 07:05:49 PM
Check out the Facebook post below for a very appropriate article concerning the in state game versus Austin College and Trinity.  The author, an AC alum, has been posting some amazing Austin College historical facts over the past several months.  Whether you are a fan of either school, this is worth a read!


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214173191193904&set=a.10201195493919583.1073741827.1537683178&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214173191193904&set=a.10201195493919583.1073741827.1537683178&type=3&theater)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2017, 07:34:48 AM
An entertaining game in San Antonio where Trinity got by Austin, 49-35, in a game that saw the teams put six TDs on the board in the first 13:30.   Unfortunately, the game was locally televised, and the excessive commercials meant the game lasted nearly four hours even with Trinity keeping the ball on the ground (368 yards on 45 carries) most of the game.    The first play from scrimmage for Trinity was a 84 yard Jay Foster TD run, answered two plays later by a Colt Collins to Kevin Ray 87 yard pass and run (to the 1!).   

The Tigers improved to 6-3 (5-2 SAA) and will close their season at conference champion Berry next week, hoping their newly found offensive prowess (nearly 1200 yards combined the last two weeks) will help them keep up with the Vikings.    Austin fell to 3-6 (1-5 SAA) and close their season at Rhodes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 05, 2017, 08:19:20 PM
According to multiple sources, Rhodes broke out the huddle on "F--- Hendrix" among other things (loudly enough to be heard by most people in attendance) during warmups and were causing a scene before the game. The Dan Gritti Rhodes teams always acted this way, but apparently some things stay the same. Every school talks a little trash, but Rhodes seems to up the ante from time to time.

This might explain why Hendrix didn't hesitate one bit in trying to score in every possible minute allowed en route to hanging 70 on the lynx in a program record day. Ha!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 06, 2017, 01:19:06 PM
Quote from: albatross on November 05, 2017, 08:19:20 PM
According to multiple sources, Rhodes broke out the huddle on "F--- Hendrix" among other things (loudly enough to be heard by most people in attendance) during warmups and were causing a scene before the game. The Dan Gritti Rhodes teams always acted this way, but apparently some things stay the same. Every school talks a little trash, but Rhodes seems to up the ante from time to time.

This might explain why Hendrix didn't hesitate one bit in trying to score in every possible minute allowed en route to hanging 70 on the lynx in a program record day. Ha!

sounds like an explanation to me.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 06, 2017, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: albatross on November 05, 2017, 08:19:20 PM
According to multiple sources, Rhodes broke out the huddle on "F--- Hendrix" among other things (loudly enough to be heard by most people in attendance) during warmups and were causing a scene before the game. The Dan Gritti Rhodes teams always acted this way, but apparently some things stay the same. Every school talks a little trash, but Rhodes seems to up the ante from time to time.

This might explain why Hendrix didn't hesitate one bit in trying to score in every possible minute allowed en route to hanging 70 on the lynx in a program record day. Ha!

To me, Rhodes under-performed more than any other team in the conference.  Surely, they should have won more than three games?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 06, 2017, 02:26:56 PM
Quote from: albatross on November 05, 2017, 08:19:20 PM
According to multiple sources, Rhodes broke out the huddle on "F--- Hendrix" among other things (loudly enough to be heard by most people in attendance) during warmups and were causing a scene before the game. The Dan Gritti Rhodes teams always acted this way, but apparently some things stay the same. Every school talks a little trash, but Rhodes seems to up the ante from time to time.

This might explain why Hendrix didn't hesitate one bit in trying to score in every possible minute allowed en route to hanging 70 on the lynx in a program record day. Ha!

Not anything new out of the Rhodes program.   They were doing things of this sort back in my time at Sewanee in the early 1980s.   Thing is.... swagger don't mean a thing if you can't back it up by putting a 'W' on board at the end of the game.   As I think Sewanee's players learned at the start of the season when they tried to pull similar crap when we played W&L.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 06, 2017, 10:36:40 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 06, 2017, 01:32:59 PM
To me, Rhodes under-performed more than any other team in the conference.  Surely, they should have won more than three games?

agreed, 92. pretty odd record to have, especially against the middle of the pack teams. I was skeptical of the predictions that labeled them contenders in preseason, but I certainly thought they would be in the upper echelon of the conference...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 07, 2017, 08:29:05 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 01, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
First Regional Rankings are out:

South Region   SOS   Notes
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0
2. Hardin-Simmons 6-1 +
3. Berry 9-0
4. Washington & Jefferson 8-0
5. Johns Hopkins 7-1
6. Centre 7-1
7. Case Western Reserve 8-0
8. Franklin & Marshall 7-1
9. Huntingdon 6-1
10. Westminster (Pa.) 6-2


Versus my last set:
1) 8-0 UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 41 SOS)
2) 9-0 Berry (2-0 RRO, 114 SOS)
3) 6-1 HSU (0-1 RRO, 35 SOS)
4) 8-0 W&J (1-0 RRO, 163 SOS)
5) 8-0 CWRU (0-0 RRO, 235 SOS)
6) 7-1 Centre (1-1 RR, 76 SOS)
7) 7-1 JHU (1-0 RRO, 17 SOS) --
8) 7-1 F&M (0-1 RRO, 94 SOS)
9) 6-1 Huntingdon (0-0 RRO, 128 SOS)
10) 5-2 Hendrix (0-2 RRO, 13 SOS)


Kind of interesting. They have HSU in second. That's a SOS decision and it helps that they didn't rank Hendrix. How they chose Westminster over Hendrix is beyond me. There is nothing in the criteria right now to justify that other than Westminster having played an extra game. Hendrix has a far stronger SOS right now. JHU seems to have benefited from their SOS, to the detriment of CWRU. I'm guessing the theory here is that Case has the next two weeks to move up, so they aren't getting credit for being undefeated against mainly a pile of bad, bad, teams.

So the upshot is, they clearly went with SOS twice, giving the nod to HSU and JHU, and then for some reason completely dropped the SOS for the 10 spot. Not that it matters much except it cost Berry and Centre an extra RRO and shifted it over to W&J. Case and Westminster play this weekend, so that will sort out some of this.

And with that, I'm going to move this whole discussion over to the South Region Fan Poll thread where it probably belongs.

Any significant changes this week?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 07, 2017, 09:02:53 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 07, 2017, 08:29:05 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 01, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
First Regional Rankings are out:

Any significant changes this week?

I think they are slated to come out tomorrow since the last release was 11/1 (no idea how i got this stuck in a quote)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 07, 2017, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 07, 2017, 08:29:05 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 01, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
First Regional Rankings are out:

South Region   SOS   Notes
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0
2. Hardin-Simmons 6-1 +
3. Berry 9-0
4. Washington & Jefferson 8-0
5. Johns Hopkins 7-1
6. Centre 7-1
7. Case Western Reserve 8-0
8. Franklin & Marshall 7-1
9. Huntingdon 6-1
10. Westminster (Pa.) 6-2


Versus my last set:
1) 8-0 UMHB (2-0 RRO South and West, 41 SOS)
2) 9-0 Berry (2-0 RRO, 114 SOS)
3) 6-1 HSU (0-1 RRO, 35 SOS)
4) 8-0 W&J (1-0 RRO, 163 SOS)
5) 8-0 CWRU (0-0 RRO, 235 SOS)
6) 7-1 Centre (1-1 RR, 76 SOS)
7) 7-1 JHU (1-0 RRO, 17 SOS) --
8) 7-1 F&M (0-1 RRO, 94 SOS)
9) 6-1 Huntingdon (0-0 RRO, 128 SOS)
10) 5-2 Hendrix (0-2 RRO, 13 SOS)


Kind of interesting. They have HSU in second. That's a SOS decision and it helps that they didn't rank Hendrix. How they chose Westminster over Hendrix is beyond me. There is nothing in the criteria right now to justify that other than Westminster having played an extra game. Hendrix has a far stronger SOS right now. JHU seems to have benefited from their SOS, to the detriment of CWRU. I'm guessing the theory here is that Case has the next two weeks to move up, so they aren't getting credit for being undefeated against mainly a pile of bad, bad, teams.

So the upshot is, they clearly went with SOS twice, giving the nod to HSU and JHU, and then for some reason completely dropped the SOS for the 10 spot. Not that it matters much except it cost Berry and Centre an extra RRO and shifted it over to W&J. Case and Westminster play this weekend, so that will sort out some of this.

And with that, I'm going to move this whole discussion over to the South Region Fan Poll thread where it probably belongs.

Any significant changes this week?

If you are looking for my projections I moved them to the South Region Fan Poll thread. It's a better fit for this kind of region spanning discussion. I just started it here because there were some questions.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 07, 2017, 12:00:41 PM
thanks I see them now.

Looking forward to an excellent final weekend of SAA football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 08, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
Nice article about Trinity's RB Foster.  Glad to hear he's been able to balance life and football enough to get back on the field.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/index
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2017, 03:08:17 PM
Latest regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/second-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 08, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
South Region SOS Notes
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor 9-0
2. Hardin-Simmons 7-1 +
3. Berry 9-0
4. Washington & Jefferson 9-0
5. Case Western Reserve 9-0
6. Johns Hopkins 8-1
7. Centre 8-1
8. Franklin & Marshall 8-1
9. Huntingdon 7-1 +
10. Hendrix 6-2

With Case at #5, I don't think Centre gets in.  which is disappointing considering SAA has 3 teams currently regionally ranked.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 10, 2017, 02:49:35 PM
Looking forward to being in Rome tomorrow for a great afternoon of football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 10, 2017, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 08, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
South Region SOS Notes
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor 9-0
2. Hardin-Simmons 7-1 +
3. Berry 9-0
4. Washington & Jefferson 9-0
5. Case Western Reserve 9-0
6. Johns Hopkins 8-1
7. Centre 8-1
8. Franklin & Marshall 8-1
9. Huntingdon 7-1 +
10. Hendrix 6-2

With Case at #5, I don't think Centre gets in.  which is disappointing considering SAA has 3 teams currently regionally ranked.

No. Centre will have a difficult path. What will help is Case losing this weekend and Hendrix staying ranked. A 1-1 RRO record would look pretty good against other teams. Though Centre's SOS will fall again this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2017, 03:31:44 PM
It looks OK, but the committee looks beyond just the W-L total and would look at Centre as "lost to South No. 3, defeated South No. 10." Obviously that still helps some, but not all games against regionally ranked opponents are equal.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 10, 2017, 03:35:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2017, 03:31:44 PM
It looks OK, but the committee looks beyond just the W-L total and would look at Centre as "lost to South No. 3, defeated South No. 10." Obviously that still helps some, but not all games against regionally ranked opponents are equal.
Oh I agree wholeheartedly, but 1-1 still looks better than 0-1, even if the 1 win is the 10 South. I know quite well that no one criteria is the trump card. Centre's path is a longshot. But not completely hopeless, especially if Case loses.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 12, 2017, 12:45:55 AM
I think that we can say that Trinity is back.

Coach Jerheme Urban has a good foundation for his program.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2017, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 12, 2017, 12:45:55 AM
I think that we can say that Trinity is back.

Coach Jerheme Urban has a good foundation for his program.

Thanks, Ralph.  It was a shame they couldn't get past Berry yesterday but as usual under Coach Urban they gave it their all and on the road came closer than anyone else in the regular season.   Trinity returns a decent amount of talent next season but will need to replace a three-year starter at QB, both kicking specialists, linemen on both sides, among others.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 12, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
great showing by the SAA's top half in the regular season:

Centre, Trinity, and Hendrix all had strong finishes (in fact, Hendrix finished a school record 8-2 and still finished 3rd!).

highlights (conference strength-wise) in my mind include Berry's regional dominance, Hendrix's win over a good TLU team, Trinity defeating an eventual conference champion out West.

the collection of 3-7 at the bottom doesnt look too hot but you might consider the fact that a couple of those 3-7's (BSC and Sewanee) were projected to be worse. the league was more competitive than last year I think.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 13, 2017, 09:04:55 AM
Regular season thoughts:  So proud of the Berry players and staff.  Undefeated seasons are hard to come by.  Other than Austin and Sewanee our games weren't total blow outs... these guys found a way to win.  And the coaching staff gave a masters level lesson on clock management Saturday.  Truly masterful.  Great environment.  The place was packed, Steve Spurier was there (although on the visitors side), and the fly over at the end of the national anthem was so cool.  Hope the recruits were impressed.

Speaking of recruits, I got to Berry a little too early to meet my friend so I went in the Cage, thinking I would catch a bit of football on the TVs.  Instead, I found the recruits and their families gathered with the coaching staff.  So I listened to Coach K give his pitch and it was a good one.  I was ready to sign up and I got 4 years of eligibility left!

As for next year, graduation will hit rather hard.  We will lose some players that can't be replaced.  But we seem to have a winning tradition established.  Great academics, great campus, great facilities.  The future should be bright.  In the meantime, bring on Huntington.

As for the other SAA schools:

Centre really remains the ideal.  Good year after year.  Too bad they did not make the playoffs.

I think the situation at Hendrix is very similar to Berry.  They got the right coach and have played at a high level since day 1.  The all world QB is a sophomore, I think, so they will only get better.

Sewanee must be the most improved.  It would seem they made a good coaching hire as well.

Rhodes has to be the team that most under-performed.  I thought they would challenge for the championship, instead of only winning 4 games.  Birmingham Southern and Millsaps have some work to do, but both gave us their best shot and seem to be headed in the right direction.

Austin wasn't very good, but Trinity gave us all we wanted.

And my final SAA thought of the post:  Oglethorpe.  Why do we have Oglethorpe in the conference?  Without a football or softball team, it really seems they are not pulling their weight.

It was truly a great season.  Congrats to all the SAA players and coaches.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 13, 2017, 09:11:21 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 13, 2017, 09:04:55 AM
Regular season thoughts:  So proud of the Berry players and staff.  Undefeated seasons are hard to come by.  Other than Austin and Sewanee our games weren't total blow outs... these guys found a way to win.  And the coaching staff gave a masters level lesson on clock management Saturday.  Truly masterful.  Great environment.  The place was packed, Steve Spurier was there (although on the visitors side), and the fly over at the end of the national anthem was so cool.  Hope the recruits were impressed.

Speaking of recruits, I got to Berry a little too early to meet my friend so I went in the Cage, thinking I would catch a bit of football on the TVs.  Instead, I found the recruits and their families gathered with the coaching staff.  So I listened to Coach K give his pitch and it was a good one.  I was ready to sign up and I got 4 years of eligibility left!

As for next year, graduation will hit rather hard.  We will lose some players that can't be replaced.  But we seem to have a winning tradition established.  Great academics, great campus, great facilities.  The future should be bright.  In the meantime, bring on Huntington.

As for the other SAA schools:

Centre really remains the ideal.  Good year after year.  Too bad they did not make the playoffs.

I think the situation at Hendrix is very similar to Berry.  They got the right coach and have played at a high level since day 1.  The all world QB is a sophomore, I think, so they will only get better.

Sewanee must be the most improved.  It would seem they might a good coaching hire as well.

Rhodes has to be the team that most under-performed.  I thought they would challenge for the championship, instead of only winning 4 games.  Birmingham Southern and Millsaps have some work to do, but both gave us their best shot and seem to be headed in the right direction.

Austin wasn't very good, but Trinity gave us all we wanted.

And my final SAA thought of the post:  Oglethorpe.  Why do we have Oglethorpe in the conference?  Without a football or softball team, it really seems they are not pulling their weight.

It was truly a great season.  Congrats to all the SAA players and coaches.

Ogelthorpe gave W&L all they could handle in the second round of the NCAA men's soccer tournament. 3-3 through 2 overtimes before W&L won in the 7th round of penalty kicks. Football isn't the only sport that matters at the DIII level. This isn't D1 where it's all about football and basketball revenue.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on November 13, 2017, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 13, 2017, 09:04:55 AM
Regular season thoughts:  So proud of the Berry players and staff.  Undefeated seasons are hard to come by.  Other than Austin and Sewanee our games weren't total blow outs... these guys found a way to win.  And the coaching staff gave a masters level lesson on clock management Saturday.  Truly masterful. 

I agree with most of all of what you say BerryViking92.  Next year the Vikings will return 6 starters on offense and only 3 on defense.  I do believe a lot of underclassmen saw playing time this year, so the cupboard isn't bare.  But we can't think about next year cause we still got work to do this year.  The team and coaches can't be satisfied and must continue to get better.  The teams coming up are better than any Berry has ever played.

The team did find ways to win, but often did not impress with their physicality.  The teams coming up will be physical and if the Vikes can't dish it out, they will go home.  With the skill players Berry has the run game should never get stuffed as it has at times this year.

I'd like to see the OC get the play in quicker.  Why go no huddle if you're not going up tempo.  They have a chance to wear down the defense, but don't.  Some times I'm sitting there saying "Get the play in.....get the play in....for gosh sakes please get the play in". 

And does Berry have any short-intermediate possession routes?  90% of the time on 3rd & 6 or 7 they fling the ball incomplete on fly routes 60 yards downfield, then punt.

But yes, a great year and excited about this Saturday...but not satisfied.  I think this team has the chance to be even better and be special.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 13, 2017, 12:30:54 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2017, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 12, 2017, 12:45:55 AM
I think that we can say that Trinity is back.

Coach Jerheme Urban has a good foundation for his program.

Thanks, Ralph.  It was a shame they couldn't get past Berry yesterday but as usual under Coach Urban they gave it their all and on the road came closer than anyone else in the regular season.   Trinity returns a decent amount of talent next season but will need to replace a three-year starter at QB, both kicking specialists, linemen on both sides, among others.

I heard several good comments Saturday evening about the sportsmanship and attitude of the Trinity players. Excellent young men who represent their school well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2017, 12:34:41 PM
I want to wish Berry well in their first NCAA D3 football playoff game.  Huntingdon is a solid team but one that offers Berry a good chance to get a win in its first playoff appearance, a rare thing.   

I also want to thank everyone for the discussion this season.  Having been in the wilds of "no real conference land" the last several years it's been great to see folks chatting about their teams and to have a conference championship that means something again.     
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 13, 2017, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on November 13, 2017, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 13, 2017, 09:04:55 AM
Regular season thoughts:  So proud of the Berry players and staff.  Undefeated seasons are hard to come by.  Other than Austin and Sewanee our games weren't total blow outs... these guys found a way to win.  And the coaching staff gave a masters level lesson on clock management Saturday.  Truly masterful. 

I agree with most of all of what you say BerryViking92.  Next year the Vikings will return 6 starters on offense and only 3 on defense.  I do believe a lot of underclassmen saw playing time this year, so the cupboard isn't bare.  But we can't think about next year cause we still got work to do this year.  The team and coaches can't be satisfied and must continue to get better.  The teams coming up are better than any Berry has ever played.

The team did find ways to win, but often did not impress with their physicality.  The teams coming up will be physical and if the Vikes can't dish it out, they will go home.  With the skill players Berry has the run game should never get stuffed as it has at times this year.

I'd like to see the OC get the play in quicker.  Why go no huddle if you're not going up tempo.  They have a chance to wear down the defense, but don't.  Some times I'm sitting there saying "Get the play in.....get the play in....for gosh sakes please get the play in". 

And does Berry have any short-intermediate possession routes?  90% of the time on 3rd & 6 or 7 they fling the ball incomplete on fly routes 60 yards downfield, then punt.

But yes, a great year and excited about this Saturday...but not satisfied.  I think this team has the chance to be even better and be special.

I believe at times this year the coaches did make an effort to play more of the underclassmen, especially in games that had a 2 score differential.  Sometimes I think it worked against the team, because the games became tighter than they should have been.

I also have noticed that a few times this season the lines have been noticeably smaller than the competition.  I have chalked this up to year 5 of a new program.  There are some fine D2 and NAIA programs in the state who are grabbing up some of the OL/DL talent.  Excited for the future of Berry football. 

This next week is important for them to take that next step.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 13, 2017, 01:07:37 PM

Hi Berry fans-

Just some thoughts from a Mount Union alumnus, albeit an old one (class of 1957).
Don't get too impatient about tearing up Dlll. The Purple Raiders started football in 1893. They won their first conference championship in 1985 and, therefore, their first playoff appearance. First national title didn't come until 1993. You won your conference in 5 years. Seems pretty good to me.
Ah, but I ramble. Hope this made some sense.
Good luck in the playoffs. Look forward to hearing more about Berry!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 13, 2017, 04:50:56 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 13, 2017, 09:11:21 AM
Ogelthorpe gave W&L all they could handle in the second round of the NCAA men's soccer tournament. 3-3 through 2 overtimes before W&L won in the 7th round of penalty kicks. Football isn't the only sport that matters at the DIII level. This isn't D1 where it's all about football and basketball revenue.

I might add that the Oglethorpe golf programs are excellent year in and year out. Nationally prominent, too.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 13, 2017, 05:19:01 PM
I remember playing Huntingdon in the playoffs my junior year. It was clear then that the level of competition had been raised. In 2015, the conference wasn't as strong as it is now and the Hawks were a Top 25 team, but Huntingdon still recruits a high-caliber player to join a winning tradition. Oh, and we played a road game with some, shall we say, less than equitable facilities.

That said, Huntingdon will always be a great matchup for the SAA in the first round. They are a competitive team but a good Hendrix or Berry squad (I limit it to these two schools because of NCAA seeding likelihood - Centre and Trinity won't be going to bama in the playoffs typically) can go toe to toe with them, especially as the programs grow. We were tied at halftime and hung around for a decent bit. Coach Buck described that game as "one we probably shouldn't have won, but one we coulda won..."

I think a Huntingdon-SAA matchup provides for an exciting, regional game. Hoping for one this weekend!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 13, 2017, 07:59:30 PM
Huntingdon to Centre is <500 miles so they could be bused to each other.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 14, 2017, 09:22:16 AM
Quote from: MUC57 on November 13, 2017, 01:07:37 PM

Hi Berry fans-

Just some thoughts from a Mount Union alumnus, albeit an old one (class of 1957).
Don't get too impatient about tearing up Dlll. The Purple Raiders started football in 1893. They won their first conference championship in 1985 and, therefore, their first playoff appearance. First national title didn't come until 1993. You won your conference in 5 years. Seems pretty good to me.
Ah, but I ramble. Hope this made some sense.
Good luck in the playoffs. Look forward to hearing more about Berry!

The Berry timetable is moving pretty quickly for sure.  Excited to be part of the ride.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 14, 2017, 09:29:34 AM
Quote from: albatross on November 13, 2017, 05:19:01 PM

That said, Huntingdon will always be a great matchup for the SAA in the first round. They are a competitive team but a good Hendrix or Berry squad (I limit it to these two schools because of NCAA seeding likelihood - Centre and Trinity won't be going to bama in the playoffs typically) can go toe to toe with them, especially as the programs grow. We were tied at halftime and hung around for a decent bit. Coach Buck described that game as "one we probably shouldn't have won, but one we coulda won..."

I think a Huntingdon-SAA matchup provides for an exciting, regional game. Hoping for one this weekend!
I haven't looked at the past SAA first round match-ups, I would think that several of them would have been against USAC teams or maybe ASC
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 14, 2017, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 14, 2017, 09:29:34 AM
Quote from: albatross on November 13, 2017, 05:19:01 PM

That said, Huntingdon will always be a great matchup for the SAA in the first round. They are a competitive team but a good Hendrix or Berry squad (I limit it to these two schools because of NCAA seeding likelihood - Centre and Trinity won't be going to bama in the playoffs typically) can go toe to toe with them, especially as the programs grow. We were tied at halftime and hung around for a decent bit. Coach Buck described that game as "one we probably shouldn't have won, but one we coulda won..."

I think a Huntingdon-SAA matchup provides for an exciting, regional game. Hoping for one this weekend!
I haven't looked at the past SAA first round match-ups, I would think that several of them would have been against USAC teams or maybe ASC

The SAA is a new conference so it doesn't have a huge playoff history to thumb through. Centre and Wash U have been bused to midwestern colleges and Berry/Hendrix have drawn Huntingdon (which for Hendrix means escaping a first round Texas game...).

We are still looking for that elusive first playoff win as a conference, and Berry looks poised to give us a good showing...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 14, 2017, 10:17:36 AM
So I know that Berry and Huntington have had scrimmaged (prior to the first official game) for the past couple of years.  I am not sure if they played an actual game, or if the scrimmage was more situational.  Anybody have any intel?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 14, 2017, 10:18:48 AM
Quote from: MUC57 on November 13, 2017, 01:07:37 PM

Hi Berry fans-

Just some thoughts from a Mount Union alumnus, albeit an old one (class of 1957).
Don't get too impatient about tearing up Dlll. The Purple Raiders started football in 1893. They won their first conference championship in 1985 and, therefore, their first playoff appearance. First national title didn't come until 1993. You won your conference in 5 years. Seems pretty good to me.
Ah, but I ramble. Hope this made some sense.
Good luck in the playoffs. Look forward to hearing more about Berry!

Good luck to you, but I don't think that you need it!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 14, 2017, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 14, 2017, 10:17:36 AM
So I know that Berry and Huntington have had scrimmaged (prior to the first official game) for the past couple of years.  I am not sure if they played an actual game, or if the scrimmage was more situational.  Anybody have any intel?

Those can go any sort of way. Hendrix and Louisiana College try to scrimmage before the first game, too. Scrimmages aren't allowed to be publicized in any way per NCAA rules, so it's hard to get firsthand info on them unless you're a parent, for example.

Sometimes scrimmages are situational or they play a quarter or so, which you know already. I would imagine that Berry probably had a good showing in the scrimmage considering their strong performance at the beginning of the year and Huntingdon's slow start (see: 45-38 score against Birmingham Southern)...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 14, 2017, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: albatross on November 14, 2017, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 14, 2017, 10:17:36 AM
So I know that Berry and Huntington have had scrimmaged (prior to the first official game) for the past couple of years.  I am not sure if they played an actual game, or if the scrimmage was more situational.  Anybody have any intel?

Those can go any sort of way. Hendrix and Louisiana College try to scrimmage before the first game, too. Scrimmages aren't allowed to be publicized in any way per NCAA rules, so it's hard to get firsthand info on them unless you're a parent, for example.

Sometimes scrimmages are situational or they play a quarter or so, which you know already. I would imagine that Berry probably had a good showing in the scrimmage considering their strong performance at the beginning of the year and Huntingdon's slow start (see: 45-38 score against Birmingham Southern)...
The scrimmage was mostly situational and Albatross is correct in his assumption that Berry had the better showing. It was not an encouraging evening for the Huntingdon side though we did have several defensive starters held out for precationary measures. HC has come a long way since then and is definitely not the same team as that night or the first couple of regular season games. I think the outcome would be much different if we were to play BSC again.
I think Saturday will be a tight game between pretty evenly matched teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2017, 09:11:01 PM
Berry is featured in this week's Around the South (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017/last-seasons-heartbreak-this-seasons-motivation).   I think this is the last one for the season, so enjoy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 15, 2017, 01:16:43 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on November 14, 2017, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: albatross on November 14, 2017, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 14, 2017, 10:17:36 AM
So I know that Berry and Huntington have had scrimmaged (prior to the first official game) for the past couple of years.  I am not sure if they played an actual game, or if the scrimmage was more situational.  Anybody have any intel?

Those can go any sort of way. Hendrix and Louisiana College try to scrimmage before the first game, too. Scrimmages aren't allowed to be publicized in any way per NCAA rules, so it's hard to get firsthand info on them unless you're a parent, for example.

Sometimes scrimmages are situational or they play a quarter or so, which you know already. I would imagine that Berry probably had a good showing in the scrimmage considering their strong performance at the beginning of the year and Huntingdon's slow start (see: 45-38 score against Birmingham Southern)...
The scrimmage was mostly situational and Albatross is correct in his assumption that Berry had the better showing. It was not an encouraging evening for the Huntingdon side though we did have several defensive starters held out for precationary measures. HC has come a long way since then and is definitely not the same team as that night or the first couple of regular season games. I think the outcome would be much different if we were to play BSC again.
I think Saturday will be a tight game between pretty evenly matched teams.
I wasn't there this year, but was in the past and the coaches definitely have particular goals in mind;  playing certain player groups, trying new formations or plays, etc.  And they also spend some time getting a look at the new players on the roster.  Usually its 10-12 plays then switch.  They usually run sets from midfield, quarter field, goal line, etc.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 15, 2017, 01:19:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2017, 09:11:01 PM
Berry is featured in this week's Around the South (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017/last-seasons-heartbreak-this-seasons-motivation).   I think this is the last one for the season, so enjoy.
thanks for the link.  I love #9s attitude. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2017, 03:40:25 PM
Congrats to Berry for securing the first playoff win in SAA conference history today!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 19, 2017, 05:02:55 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
The team is excited to be in the second round.

St Thomas will be a new challenge for sure!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 20, 2017, 08:16:35 AM
Hats off to Huntington.  You don't win nine games in a row nor win your conference three (I think ) years in a row without being well coached, have lots a talent and be an all around strong program.  I was also impressed with the crowd they brought to Rome, and by their band.  Class act all the way around.

I am a proud Berry alum.  The game was not always pretty (defense bailed out special teams and the offense in the 2nd half), but we looked really good at times (4th quarter defense, 2nd quarter offense).  But 11-0 is very, very impressive and special.  Can't make the journey to up north, but will be listening online.  Hoping the Vikings get it some good practice in the meantime, and clean up a few things.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2017, 08:50:54 AM
St Thomas is on a whole different level than any team Berry has faced in its young history - a consistent top 5 squad that loves to beat the c**p out of lesser opponents (cumulative score in last five games including the 47-8 victory in round 1:  344-28).   That and the cold will present stiff challenges this weekend.     From the Tommies' web site:

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St. Thomas improved to 17-2 at home in eight NCAA playoff appearances under Caruso. The last nine Tommie teams have reached the Stagg Bowl championship game twice; the national semifinals one other time; the quarterfinal round three other times; and had one first-round road loss in 2014 at Wartburg, 37-31.

The Toms' only home loss in their last 24 on-campus games was 34-31 to UW-Oshkosh last December in the Division III quarterfinals.

Wishing the Vikings all the best this week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2017, 08:56:12 AM
Early forecast for Saturday:  dry, temps in the low 30s at gametime with with 15-mph winds out of the NW.

https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/us/mn/55105---saint-paul/55105?cm_ven=localwx_10day
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 20, 2017, 09:01:44 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2017, 08:50:54 AM
St Thomas is on a whole different level than any team Berry has faced in its young history - a consistent top 5 squad that loves to beat the c**p out of lesser opponents (cumulative score in last five games including the 47-8 victory in round 1:  344-28).   That and the cold will present stiff challenges this weekend.     From the Tommies' web site:

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St. Thomas improved to 17-2 at home in eight NCAA playoff appearances under Caruso. The last nine Tommie teams have reached the Stagg Bowl championship game twice; the national semifinals one other time; the quarterfinal round three other times; and had one first-round road loss in 2014 at Wartburg, 37-31.

The Toms' only home loss in their last 24 on-campus games was 34-31 to UW-Oshkosh last December in the Division III quarterfinals.

No doubt.  We will be underdogs and have a tall task ahead.  I am ok with being the underdog. We might lose by 40, but I believe the coaches will have the guys ready.

Wishing the Vikings all the best this week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2017, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 20, 2017, 09:01:44 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2017, 08:50:54 AM
St Thomas is on a whole different level than any team Berry has faced in its young history - a consistent top 5 squad that loves to beat the c**p out of lesser opponents (cumulative score in last five games including the 47-8 victory in round 1:  344-28).   That and the cold will present stiff challenges this weekend.     From the Tommies' web site:

Quote
St. Thomas improved to 17-2 at home in eight NCAA playoff appearances under Caruso. The last nine Tommie teams have reached the Stagg Bowl championship game twice; the national semifinals one other time; the quarterfinal round three other times; and had one first-round road loss in 2014 at Wartburg, 37-31.

The Toms' only home loss in their last 24 on-campus games was 34-31 to UW-Oshkosh last December in the Division III quarterfinals.

No doubt.  We will be underdogs and have a tall task ahead.  I am ok with being the underdog. We might lose by 40, but I believe the coaches will have the guys ready.

Wishing the Vikings all the best this week.

I agree, this will be a new challenge and a huge opportunity.  I expect Berry to keep building their program with a good showing in the second round.  BV92 is right, may lose by 40, but if they play to their potential I think St Thomas might leave the game knowing this was the best team they have faced in the last month or so.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wm4 on November 20, 2017, 10:34:43 AM
Looking forward to the game and seeing a team from a completely different region of the country.  Congrats on a great season and really developing the program in such a short period of time.  D3 overall needs more games like this; teams going head to head from different regions. 

UST got out of the gates really slow on Saturday, just seemed out of synch on offense.  Their defense is as good as the numbers suggest, and that'll keep them in games for 60 minutes.  Should be a great second round match up. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 20, 2017, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 20, 2017, 08:16:35 AM
Hats off to Huntington.  You don't win nine games in a row nor win your conference three (I think ) years in a row without being well coached, have lots a talent and be an all around strong program.  I was also impressed with the crowd they brought to Rome, and by their band.  Class act all the way around.

I am a proud Berry alum.  The game was not always pretty (defense bailed out special teams and the offense in the 2nd half), but we looked really good at times (4th quarter defense, 2nd quarter offense).  But 11-0 is very, very impressive and special.  Can't make the journey to up north, but will be listening online.  Hoping the Vikings get it some good practice in the meantime, and clean up a few things.
Disregarding the outcome it was a fun little trip. It's really nice to have an easily drivable playoff game. It goes without saying you have an absolutely beautiful campus and terrific facilities. I even got to see an old friend. Your baseball coach and I were teammates at Huntingdon back in the day.
Hopefully we can get another shot at you guys next year and maybe we can do well enough to get the home game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2017, 12:13:22 PM
Berry fans...

The St Thomas fans have made several food and drink recommendation on the MIAC thread in the West Region Forum.  They are a few pages back now, but I am going to try to consolidate them into one post when I have a few moments.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on November 20, 2017, 12:16:28 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2017, 12:13:22 PM
Berry fans...

The St Thomas fans have made several food and drink recommendation on the MIAC thread in the West Region Forum.  They are a few pages back now, but I am going to try to consolidate them into one post when I have a few moments.

Happy to answer any other questions to the best of my ability here also. Unfortunately, I won't be at the game this Saturday but safe travels to y'all!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: nkwest on November 20, 2017, 01:36:33 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2017, 12:13:22 PM
Berry fans...

The St Thomas fans have made several food and drink recommendation on the MIAC thread in the West Region Forum.  They are a few pages back now, but I am going to try to consolidate them into one post when I have a few moments.

I'm happy to filter those or recommend additional options based on personal preferences, and, like jamtoTommie, answer any other questions here. Unlike Jam, however, I will be in attendance on Saturday. I'm excited to see a new program in the round of sixteen and on our campus!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tommiegun on November 20, 2017, 02:28:11 PM
Wow, Berry's campus is absolutely gorgeous.  As to St. Paul restaurants, I'd highly recommend the Nook for casual fare (excellent burgers, fries, etc.) - and it has a retro bowling alley in the basement.  If you are looking for something a little fancier and are willing to travel to Minneapolis, Jax Café is a fun steak/chops/lobster spot in the "Nordeast" section of the city, which is also where most of the best micro breweries are located.  It's also near a pretty fun German bar if you are looking to really get after it (Gasthof's), which comes with all the usual German fare and drink, a polka band, das Boot, and snuff shooters. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2017, 04:05:26 PM
So here's the list of recommendations.  Thanks to everyone who made a suggestion...

Mancini's Char House (W. 7th St.) - good steak reasonably priced
The Groveland Tap - A good burger and a beer (Within 6 blocks of campus)
Davanni's (St. Clair Ave.) - A good hoagie (1 block from campus)
Plum's Bar and Grill  (Corner of Randolph & Snelling) - Another good Burger and Beer joint

WA Frost & Company - http://www.wafrost.com/ - Contemporary American good food and good drink, O'Gara's - http://www.ogaras.com/ - Irish Pub - average food and good drink

The Blue Door Pub on Selby Ave - it's tiny and often packed. Really good burgers though.
Tiff's and Plum's - traditional St Thomas bars, if you want to go rub elbows with the enemy

The Nook - 2 miles or so from campus. Little neighborhood option down the road from UST.
Shamrocks - 3-4 miles. Close to downtown St Paul

Red Cow has some fancier burger options that are quite good.
Punch Pizza on Grand.  Excellent Neapolitan-style pizza, and fast.
Surly - 2 miles tops from campus.  It's a taproom & restaurant on steroids. World class brewery and top rated and nationally recognized food as well. An all around cool setup for visitors.
Waldmann (refurbished house from the 1850's with beer and German cuisine)
Bad Weather.  (Newer brewery)
New Bohemia (downtown) will also give you beer and brats, and they have a massive tap list.

Also this comment as well, sounds like a recommendation, but isn't.  ;)
I can't recommend Fulton since it's owned by Johnnies  ;) in all seriousness though a great spot in Mpls by Target Field if you want to head that way.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on November 20, 2017, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2017, 04:05:26 PM
So here's the list of recommendations.  Thanks to everyone who made a suggestion...

Mancini's Char House (W. 7th St.) - good steak reasonably priced
The Groveland Tap - A good burger and a beer (Within 6 blocks of campus)
Davanni's (St. Clair Ave.) - A good hoagie (1 block from campus)
Plum's Bar and Grill  (Corner of Randolph & Snelling) - Another good Burger and Beer joint

WA Frost & Company - http://www.wafrost.com/ - Contemporary American good food and good drink, O'Gara's - http://www.ogaras.com/ - Irish Pub - average food and good drink

The Blue Door Pub on Selby Ave - it's tiny and often packed. Really good burgers though.
Tiff's and Plum's - traditional St Thomas bars, if you want to go rub elbows with the enemy

The Nook - 2 miles or so from campus. Little neighborhood option down the road from UST.
Shamrocks - 3-4 miles. Close to downtown St Paul

Red Cow has some fancier burger options that are quite good.
Punch Pizza on Grand.  Excellent Neapolitan-style pizza, and fast.
Surly - 2 miles tops from campus.  It's a taproom & restaurant on steroids. World class brewery and top rated and nationally recognized food as well. An all around cool setup for visitors.
Waldmann (refurbished house from the 1850's with beer and German cuisine)
Bad Weather.  (Newer brewery)
New Bohemia (downtown) will also give you beer and brats, and they have a massive tap list.

Also this comment as well, sounds like a recommendation, but isn't.  ;)
I can't recommend Fulton since it's owned by Johnnies  ;) in all seriousness though a great spot in Mpls by Target Field if you want to head that way.

For the record, The Nook and Shamrock's are under the same ownership and have basically the same menu. The Nook is cozier but closer to St Thomas and has more of a neighborhood dive feel, although the basement bowling alley adds some space. Shamrock's is much larger, a little further away and has more of a restaurant feel.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2017, 04:10:40 PM
how is Uber service in and around St Thomas?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on November 20, 2017, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2017, 04:10:40 PM
how is Uber service in and around St Thomas?

Should get you everywhere you need to go. I've not used it personally, but I don't imagine you'd have any more issues than any other metro area.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2017, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on November 20, 2017, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2017, 04:10:40 PM
how is Uber service in and around St Thomas?

Should get you everywhere you need to go. I've not used it personally, but I don't imagine you'd have any more issues than any other metro area.

UST is in a really good neighborhood. You won't have any trouble getting service in or out of that area.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 21, 2017, 10:10:58 AM
SAA Season Awards announced yesterday. Highlights include:

Offensive Player of the Year - Miles Thompson - Hendrix

Defensive Player of the Year - Mamadou Soumahoro - Berry

Special Teams Player of the Year - Jamal Watkins - Birmingham-Southern

Newcomer of the Year - William Phillips - Sewanee

Coach of the Year - Tony Kunczewski - Berry

congrats to all! Here is the link with the full press release and a PDF of the first, second, and honorable mention teams:

http://saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20171120daufv1 (http://saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20171120daufv1)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 21, 2017, 11:43:37 AM
Congratulations to all these honorees.

Well deserved each one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 21, 2017, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 21, 2017, 11:43:37 AM
Congratulations to all these honorees.

Well deserved each one.

Seconded
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 22, 2017, 07:53:40 AM
I will be out of pocket the next few days.  So happy Thanksgiving to everyone here.

Wishing safe travels to all including the Berry team, families, fans on the long trip up north.  I will be listening on Saturday.  Pick your sports cliche, but hoping the Vikings will leave it all on field.  They gotta travel a long way, might as well shock the world while they are there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 22, 2017, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 22, 2017, 07:53:40 AM
I will be out of pocket the next few days.  So happy Thanksgiving to everyone here.

Wishing safe travels to all including the Berry team, families, fans on the long trip up north.  I will be listening on Saturday.  Pick your sports cliche, but hoping the Vikings will leave it all on field.  They gotta travel a long way, might as well shock the world while they are there.

Yep! Happy Thanksgiving to all on this board, and the USAC South/ODAC/ASC folks that occasionally drop in!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 22, 2017, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: albatross on November 22, 2017, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 22, 2017, 07:53:40 AM
I will be out of pocket the next few days.  So happy Thanksgiving to everyone here.

Wishing safe travels to all including the Berry team, families, fans on the long trip up north.  I will be listening on Saturday.  Pick your sports cliche, but hoping the Vikings will leave it all on field.  They gotta travel a long way, might as well shock the world while they are there.

Yep! Happy Thanksgiving to all on this board, and the USAC South/ODAC/ASC folks that occasionally drop in!

Have a great time everyone.  Happy Thanksgiving.  My family has much to be thankful, hope everyone has likewise.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 22, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
Happy Thanksgiving from a Mount Union guy (alumnus) to everyone involved in the playoffs. Oh, what the hey, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Good luck to your team, whoever it is.
Hope all the games stay injury free. To all those traveling, have a safe trip.
I have to do this - Go Purple Raiders!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 25, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
It's not official yet, but barring a miracle Berry will go down to St. Thomas today.   Nothing to be ashamed about today, Vikings; a solid job against a team much better than you'd seen before, and now you know what to expect in the future.   You have a .500 playoff record (or will) and not many first-year playoff teams can say that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on November 25, 2017, 03:34:26 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 25, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
It's not official yet, but barring a miracle Berry will go down to St. Thomas today.   Nothing to be ashamed about today, Vikings; a solid job against a team much better than you'd seen before, and now you know what to expect in the future.   You have a .500 playoff record (or will) and not many first-year playoff teams can say that.

Credit to your coaching staff for some nice halftime adjustments. Maybe the actual game is closer to the end, but I've got 3:30 left on my livestream and I think UST has it under control. Congrats on a great season and hope to see y'all again in the future.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 25, 2017, 03:48:15 PM
Great effort today, Berry. It wasn't looking too good early but you made adjustments and kept fighting and made a game of it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 25, 2017, 05:22:59 PM
SAA, you can have your referees back. They don't seem to know how to call holding penalties. Good grief!  ::)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 26, 2017, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 25, 2017, 05:22:59 PM
SAA, you can have your referees back. They don't seem to know how to call holding penalties. Good grief!  ::)

as a recent player I can tell you that the refs in the SAA have long been criticized. it really is a problem more often than not. except bill. bill and I are cool! lol :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 26, 2017, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: albatross on November 26, 2017, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 25, 2017, 05:22:59 PM
SAA, you can have your referees back. They don't seem to know how to call holding penalties. Good grief!  ::)

as a recent player I can tell you that the refs in the SAA have long been criticized. it really is a problem more often than not. except bill. bill and I are cool! lol :D

+k
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 27, 2017, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 25, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
It's not official yet, but barring a miracle Berry will go down to St. Thomas today.   Nothing to be ashamed about today, Vikings; a solid job against a team much better than you'd seen before, and now you know what to expect in the future.   You have a .500 playoff record (or will) and not many first-year playoff teams can say that.

I thought Berry was overmatched on the lines, but was well matched up in other areas.  CB was maybe the other area.  Berry was a little smaller, but covered well most of the day.  UST's CBs height and length helped them cover better, especially some of the jump balls.  But Berry's WRs were able to get open and beat them on double moves several times. 

Overall a good effort, I just wished the offense had have been able to move the ball more earlier,  left the defense on the field too much in the 1st qtr.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 27, 2017, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 27, 2017, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 25, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
It's not official yet, but barring a miracle Berry will go down to St. Thomas today.   Nothing to be ashamed about today, Vikings; a solid job against a team much better than you'd seen before, and now you know what to expect in the future.   You have a .500 playoff record (or will) and not many first-year playoff teams can say that.

I thought Berry was overmatched on the lines, but was well matched up in other areas.  CB was maybe the other area.  Berry was a little smaller, but covered well most of the day.  UST's CBs height and length helped them cover better, especially some of the jump balls.  But Berry's WRs were able to get open and beat them on double moves several times. 

Overall a good effort, I just wished the offense had have been able to move the ball more earlier,  left the defense on the field too much in the 1st qtr.

How would you describe the St. Thomas D?  I understand their secondary has size. Were they fast or were they behind? How did they attack the middle of the field? What was their ability to get to the outside?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: paparcc on November 29, 2017, 08:19:57 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 27, 2017, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 27, 2017, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 25, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
It's not official yet, but barring a miracle Berry will go down to St. Thomas today.   Nothing to be ashamed about today, Vikings; a solid job against a team much better than you'd seen before, and now you know what to expect in the future.   You have a .500 playoff record (or will) and not many first-year playoff teams can say that.

I thought Berry was overmatched on the lines, but was well matched up in other areas.  CB was maybe the other area.  Berry was a little smaller, but covered well most of the day.  UST's CBs height and length helped them cover better, especially some of the jump balls.  But Berry's WRs were able to get open and beat them on double moves several times. 

Overall a good effort, I just wished the offense had have been able to move the ball more earlier,  left the defense on the field too much in the 1st qtr.

How would you describe the St. Thomas D?  I understand their secondary has size. Were they fast or were they behind? How did they attack the middle of the field? What was their ability to get to the outside?

I agree with BerryCollegeFan's assessment.  UST's domination of the LOS on both sides of the ball was the difference.  I was pleased with the fight the Vikings showed in the 2nd half.  There are no quitters or sissies on that team.  11-1, SAA Champs, and R2 of NCAA playoffs is a great season and all Berry fans are proud of this team.  No doubt they want to do even better in 2018.

My brief thoughts on UST.  Defense is average size and speed, though CB's are tall at 6-3.  A very cohesive unit that is seldom out of position, strong and physical.  The offense is old school, power I football with a big, strong OL and a FB.  Backs are not fast or shifty, but strong and run hard.....mostly between the tackles.  Will throw a pass occasionally off play action & QB roll to opposite side.  TE is big at 6-4 but used mostly to block.  WR's are average size and speed, but run crisp routes and have good hands.  Passing game is pretty basic.  Kicking game is very good.  Summary:  Not loaded with athletes and speed, but a big, strong team (especially OL) that knows it's strengths and plays to them.  Offensive and defensive schemes are not sophisticated, but they do what they do very well with few mistakes.  Exceptionally well coached in fundamentals, assignments, and very disciplined.  Strong run game can force opposing defense to load the box leaving DB's in single coverage.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 30, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: paparcc on November 29, 2017, 08:19:57 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 27, 2017, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 27, 2017, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 25, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
It's not official yet, but barring a miracle Berry will go down to St. Thomas today.   Nothing to be ashamed about today, Vikings; a solid job against a team much better than you'd seen before, and now you know what to expect in the future.   You have a .500 playoff record (or will) and not many first-year playoff teams can say that.

I thought Berry was overmatched on the lines, but was well matched up in other areas.  CB was maybe the other area.  Berry was a little smaller, but covered well most of the day.  UST's CBs height and length helped them cover better, especially some of the jump balls.  But Berry's WRs were able to get open and beat them on double moves several times. 

Overall a good effort, I just wished the offense had have been able to move the ball more earlier,  left the defense on the field too much in the 1st qtr.

How would you describe the St. Thomas D?  I understand their secondary has size. Were they fast or were they behind? How did they attack the middle of the field? What was their ability to get to the outside?

I agree with BerryCollegeFan's assessment.  UST's domination of the LOS on both sides of the ball was the difference.  I was pleased with the fight the Vikings showed in the 2nd half.  There are no quitters or sissies on that team.  11-1, SAA Champs, and R2 of NCAA playoffs is a great season and all Berry fans are proud of this team.  No doubt they want to do even better in 2018.

My brief thoughts on UST.  Defense is average size and speed, though CB's are tall at 6-3.  A very cohesive unit that is seldom out of position, strong and physical.  The offense is old school, power I football with a big, strong OL and a FB.  Backs are not fast or shifty, but strong and run hard.....mostly between the tackles.  Will throw a pass occasionally off play action & QB roll to opposite side.  TE is big at 6-4 but used mostly to block.  WR's are average size and speed, but run crisp routes and have good hands.  Passing game is pretty basic.  Kicking game is very good.  Summary:  Not loaded with athletes and speed, but a big, strong team (especially OL) that knows it's strengths and plays to them.  Offensive and defensive schemes are not sophisticated, but they do what they do very well with few mistakes.  Exceptionally well coached in fundamentals, assignments, and very disciplined.  Strong run game can force opposing defense to load the box leaving DB's in single coverage.

I agree, and will add.  Berry had trouble running up the middle,  the Dline was dominate, but the LBs were always where they should be and the safety was good in run support.  CBs are big with good speed and rarely out of position, but Berry's WRs did break open on a couple downfield throws and several double moves.  QB didn't have time to get those throws, but the WRs were open...

Early on when Berry did get some run stops, the QB would make a play rolling out of the pocket.  Later in the game Berry made adjustments to keep him more in the pocket in those situations.  They did get some sacks with added blitzes.  Berry also forced several turnovers from the RBs, Berry recovered a few of them.  Locals commented about how that was rare for UST.  But Berry has been forcing turnovers all year, so I didn't find that unexpected.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on December 06, 2017, 11:01:51 AM
Congratulations to Coach Kunczewski for the Coach of the Year honor!
and the players as well on their recognitions!

2017 D3football.com All-South Region Team
Offensive Player of the Year: Jesse Zubik, WR, Washington & Jefferson
Defensive Player of the Year: Mamadou Soumahoro, DE, Berry
Coach of the Year: Tony Kunczewski, Berry

1st team
DE Mamadou Soumahoro Berry
3rd team
WR Mason Kinsey Berry
TE Tristen Cline Berry 

http://d3football.com/awards/all-region/2017/d3football-all-south-region-2017
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on December 08, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on December 06, 2017, 11:01:51 AM
Congratulations to Coach Kunczewski for the Coach of the Year honor!
and the players as well on their recognitions!

2017 D3football.com All-South Region Team
Offensive Player of the Year: Jesse Zubik, WR, Washington & Jefferson
Defensive Player of the Year: Mamadou Soumahoro, DE, Berry
Coach of the Year: Tony Kunczewski, Berry

1st team
DE Mamadou Soumahoro Berry
3rd team
WR Mason Kinsey Berry
TE Tristen Cline Berry 

http://d3football.com/awards/all-region/2017/d3football-all-south-region-2017

Don't forget Miles Thompson (QB) and Nate Hodapp (WR) as first-teamers from Hendrix!

Also on the Third Team are:

Tim Grabenstein (T), Birmingham Southern
D.J. Coker (T), Rhodes
Alejandro Anzaldua (DT), Trinity
Cal Lewellyn (CB), Centre


Bonus: Johnny Davidson (P, Second Team) and Nick Leduc (DT, Second Team) from Wash. U made appearances as former SAA players, too.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on January 09, 2018, 11:54:53 AM
Happy New Year SAA!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on January 10, 2018, 04:31:27 PM
Hendrix starts the new year with two new players signing with pro teams in Europe, in addition to re-signings:

DE Tyler Clifton - Ravensburg Razorbacks (German Football League)
- Clifton was a two-time First Team All-SAA selection at Hendrix

LB/DE Kody Smith - Saarland Hurricanes (German Football League)
- Smith was a Second Team All-SAA selection at Hendrix

------------
Two SAA legends re-signed with their respective teams in Europe as well

QB Seth Peters - Kuopio Steelers (Finnish Maple League)
- Peters led the Steelers to the National Title last season, and is a former SAA Offensive Player of the Year and First Team All-SAA selection

RB/RET. Dayton Winn - Copenhagen Towers (Danish Football League)
- Winn led the Towers to the league title last season (Mermaid Bowl) and is a former SAA Offensive Player of the Year, First Team All-SAA selection, and Gagliardi Trophy finalist.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 17, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
Former Sewanee Coach Tommy Laurendine was hired to be DII (former DIII) Mississippi College OC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2018, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 17, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
Former Sewanee Coach Tommy Laurendine was hired to be DII (former DIII) Mississippi College OC.
His wife (I assume, Shawna Laurendine) is the new VB coach at MC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
Trinity is doing some minor refurb of their stadium, starting with a new scoreboard per a tweet from Coach Urban (https://twitter.com/JerhemeUrban83/status/953066691017236481) saying this is part of "Phase I of stadium renovation".   Have no insight into what else Phase I might bring but don't expect anything major (or even replacement of the grass with turf).   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on January 19, 2018, 02:28:51 PM
Austin College goes "Big Time?" in water polo. ;)

http://www.mpsports.org/sports/m-wpolo/spec-rel/011618aab.html (http://www.mpsports.org/sports/m-wpolo/spec-rel/011618aab.html)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on January 21, 2018, 02:01:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
Trinity is doing some minor refurb of their stadium, starting with a new scoreboard per a tweet from Coach Urban (https://twitter.com/JerhemeUrban83/status/953066691017236481) saying this is part of "Phase I of stadium renovation".   Have no insight into what else Phase I might bring but don't expect anything major (or even replacement of the grass with turf).

I know this the eventual goal...I think it remains to be seen whether or not Trinity can get the full $$$ ask here.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on January 21, 2018, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: albatross on January 21, 2018, 02:01:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
Trinity is doing some minor refurb of their stadium, starting with a new scoreboard per a tweet from Coach Urban (https://twitter.com/JerhemeUrban83/status/953066691017236481) saying this is part of "Phase I of stadium renovation".   Have no insight into what else Phase I might bring but don't expect anything major (or even replacement of the grass with turf).

I know this the eventual goal...I think it remains to be seen whether or not Trinity can get the full $$$ ask here.

This new strength and training complex is ambitious, too. Would be cool if it all went according to plan!

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 21, 2018, 03:24:39 PM
The new fitness center is finished, part of the ongoing (nearly complete) refurb of the Bell Center.   That is a separately funded project, used by all campus athletes and the general student population.  https://www.trinitonian.com/bell-center-renovations-nearing-completion/

Given that there has been no public announcement of the greater stadium project (which was announced several years ago, see http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2014-15/files/Football_Brochure_as_pdf_8.5x11.pdf) reaching its goal, this would seem to be unrelated to that project.. or a very small initial step at best.   The last time I spoke to AD Bob King, they were waiting until the Bell Center was complete to start the big fundraising push.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 21, 2018, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: roocru on January 19, 2018, 02:28:51 PM
Austin College goes "Big Time?" in water polo. ;)

http://www.mpsports.org/sports/m-wpolo/spec-rel/011618aab.html (http://www.mpsports.org/sports/m-wpolo/spec-rel/011618aab.html)

And a water polo conference only needs six teams for an AQ(from the release)?

(EDIT:   There are so few participants in NCAA Men's Water Polo that there is a single all-Division tournament with eight selections; six AQ and two at-large)

University of California
Stanford University
UCLA
USC
Penn State Behrend
AC

Four D1 teams and two D3 teams in a conference.   Sounds painful, even if the only time the D3 squads see the others is during the conference tournament.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on January 24, 2018, 10:41:51 AM
I was checking to see who had schedules posted and BSC has one posted with only 9 games with Huntingdon as the only non-conf. No LaGrange week one. Is that just an over-sight or are they not playing? I went to BSC's website and they still have the '17 schedule showing but I changed the dates in the URL to 18-19 and same 9 game schedule with no LaGrange that is posted here comes up. I can't imagine why either team would want to drop that game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on January 24, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 24, 2018, 10:41:51 AM
I was checking to see who had schedules posted and BSC has one posted with only 9 games with Huntingdon as the only non-conf. No LaGrange week one. Is that just an over-sight or are they not playing? I went to BSC's website and they still have the '17 schedule showing but I changed the dates in the URL to 18-19 and same 9 game schedule with no LaGrange that is posted here comes up. I can't imagine why either team would want to drop that game.
/
The schedule on d3football.com shows BSC and LaGrange are playing 8/30
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on January 24, 2018, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 24, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 24, 2018, 10:41:51 AM
I was checking to see who had schedules posted and BSC has one posted with only 9 games with Huntingdon as the only non-conf. No LaGrange week one. Is that just an over-sight or are they not playing? I went to BSC's website and they still have the '17 schedule showing but I changed the dates in the URL to 18-19 and same 9 game schedule with no LaGrange that is posted here comes up. I can't imagine why either team would want to drop that game.
/
The schedule on d3football.com shows BSC and LaGrange are playing 8/30
It was updated since I posted. Also updated on their website.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2018, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 24, 2018, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 24, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 24, 2018, 10:41:51 AM
I was checking to see who had schedules posted and BSC has one posted with only 9 games with Huntingdon as the only non-conf. No LaGrange week one. Is that just an over-sight or are they not playing? I went to BSC's website and they still have the '17 schedule showing but I changed the dates in the URL to 18-19 and same 9 game schedule with no LaGrange that is posted here comes up. I can't imagine why either team would want to drop that game.
/
The schedule on d3football.com shows BSC and LaGrange are playing 8/30
It was updated since I posted. Also updated on their website.

Look at that -- it was indeed posted at 11:16 a.m. ET.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on January 24, 2018, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2018, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 24, 2018, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 24, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 24, 2018, 10:41:51 AM
I was checking to see who had schedules posted and BSC has one posted with only 9 games with Huntingdon as the only non-conf. No LaGrange week one. Is that just an over-sight or are they not playing? I went to BSC's website and they still have the '17 schedule showing but I changed the dates in the URL to 18-19 and same 9 game schedule with no LaGrange that is posted here comes up. I can't imagine why either team would want to drop that game.
/
The schedule on d3football.com shows BSC and LaGrange are playing 8/30
It was updated since I posted. Also updated on their website.

Look at that -- it was indeed posted at 11:16 a.m. ET.

Ah, the miracle of time stamps. ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 19, 2018, 04:04:52 PM
Trinity hasn't updated their web site, but they did announce next year's schedule on Instagram (last week, I am so bad at Instagram):

TLU - Scrimmage TBD
@McMurry, August 30
HSU, Sep 8

Conference:
Millsaps, Sep 15
BSC, Sep 29
@Rhodes, Oct 6
@Centre, Oct 13
Sewanee, Oct 20 (Alumni Weekend)
@Hendrix, Oct 27
@Austin, Nov 3
Berry, Nov 10
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 20, 2018, 03:55:15 PM
Brant McAdams, Trinity defensive coordinator and linebacker coach is leaving to take the head position at Pacific Lutheran (at least according to a brief note on the TU PAWS facebook page).   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2018, 03:46:22 PM
Another Trinity assistant is leaving; OC Matt Uzsell is leaving to be head coach at his high school alma mater, San Antonio McCollum:   http://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/180222_uzzell

They say bad news comes in threes .... hope not.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on March 31, 2018, 12:22:49 PM
Hope the Tigers can continue building the program with new coordinators. I have heard that a couple other SAA coordinators might also have some other opportunities...

Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2018, 03:46:22 PM
Another Trinity assistant is leaving; OC Matt Uzsell is leaving to be head coach at his high school alma mater, San Antonio McCollum:   http://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/180222_uzzell

They say bad news comes in threes .... hope not.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on April 06, 2018, 10:27:34 AM
Even though I played for a rival team that battled Berry for championships in my last two years, I have to admit the 2017 season ring with the blue effect looks pretty cool! Attached for your viewing pleasure...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on April 06, 2018, 07:28:58 PM
Quote from: albatross on April 06, 2018, 10:27:34 AM
Even though I played for a rival team that battled Berry for championships in my last two years, I have to admit the 2017 season ring with the blue effect looks pretty cool! Attached for your viewing pleasure...
I like that a lot. That's a really nice ring there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on April 08, 2018, 04:05:44 PM
Uni Watch 2018: Berry's helmet stripe to be metallic for the upcoming season...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on April 09, 2018, 09:51:32 AM
Even more Uni Watch! Hendrix is pulling itself out of the dark ages with a new Adidas contract. Are there any teams left in the SAA (or neighboring conferences) that still use Russell Athletic??

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on April 09, 2018, 10:23:49 AM
Maryville signed a contract with Adidas and wore them last year. Not too happy with the way the uniforms turned out. Not exactly the correct shade of garnet.
Didn't Russell annouce they were getting out of the uni-business? Not too much of a choice for schools to go to the Big 3 now. Can't get replacements for worn out jerseys.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on April 09, 2018, 10:47:04 AM
Adidas and Under Armor are usually the best options for D3 and D2 schools (I know that those were the two that HDX was battling between). You can get a higher quality and more custom look for a lower price.

Nike doesn't exactly pan out well for schools with D3 budgets (for example, Berry's uniforms often operate at a more high school template - but the helmets make up for that). I think that is why you see Rhodes, Centre, Sewanee, Austin College, and Hendrix use Adidas.

I can't think off the top of my head who BSC and Millsaps use, though I think both are Nike (Millsaps was the most recent school other than HDX to ditch Russell).

Berry and Trinity have Nike, though I would argue that Trinity has been able to get a more custom, Texas look out of their deal...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on April 09, 2018, 01:40:36 PM
I think BSC had Russell and moved to Nike a couple years ago.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 09, 2018, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: albatross on April 09, 2018, 10:47:04 AM
[...]
Berry and Trinity have Nike, though I would argue that Trinity has been able to get a more custom, Texas look out of their deal...

As someone who grew up in San Antonio, it is probably less concerned with stereotypical Texan imagery than most urban areas in the state.   The significant combination of Spanish, German, and Mexican cultures that informed the region combined with the sizable military presence since WW I probably have something to do with that.   

Trinity switched all their athletic gear to Nike a few years ago, and I imagine they are getting exactly what they want from the relationship.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on April 09, 2018, 03:48:55 PM
I would agree with this, Ron! I am from North Texas myself but I love San Antonio. We have dear friends that work in San Antonio but choose to live in Boerne. I think that area is absolutely beautiful...

Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 09, 2018, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: albatross on April 09, 2018, 10:47:04 AM
[...]
Berry and Trinity have Nike, though I would argue that Trinity has been able to get a more custom, Texas look out of their deal...

As someone who grew up in San Antonio, it is probably less concerned with stereotypical Texan imagery than most urban areas in the state.   The significant combination of Spanish, German, and Mexican cultures that informed the region combined with the sizable military presence since WW I probably have something to do with that.   

Trinity switched all their athletic gear to Nike a few years ago, and I imagine they are getting exactly what they want from the relationship.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on April 12, 2018, 03:47:15 PM
Hendrix schedule finalized. In-state rivalry game with NAIA Lyon and a road trip to TLU make up the non-conference.

Notable that the Warriors get to host Centre, Berry, AND Trinity in Conway...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on April 14, 2018, 08:23:43 PM
Saw something on Twitter from Trinity saying they had a new scoreboard, the biggest in D3, I can't find any other news on this, is this coming for this season or already there. Anybody got a picture to share?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on April 15, 2018, 10:13:54 PM
Found this picture on twitter

Quote from: crufootball on April 14, 2018, 08:23:43 PM
Saw something on Twitter from Trinity saying they had a new scoreboard, the biggest in D3, I can't find any other news on this, is this coming for this season or already there. Anybody got a picture to share?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on April 15, 2018, 10:15:12 PM
one more, more up close

Quote from: crufootball on April 14, 2018, 08:23:43 PM
Saw something on Twitter from Trinity saying they had a new scoreboard, the biggest in D3, I can't find any other news on this, is this coming for this season or already there. Anybody got a picture to share?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: ITH radio on April 22, 2018, 09:03:41 PM
Read a safety from Birm So is doing a grad / final eligible year at Brockport
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on April 24, 2018, 10:46:20 AM
Interesting. That is probably not something that happens too often...

Quote from: ITH radio on April 22, 2018, 09:03:41 PM
Read a safety from Birm So is doing a grad / final eligible year at Brockport
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on May 23, 2018, 05:10:15 PM
Berry College 2018 Recruiting Class

http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/berry_football_recruits

Looks like some very good young players.  We will see how many stick around after the first year.  Already seeing some younger brothers coming in to further their families impact on the program.

Congratulations to every one!  Work hard.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on June 18, 2018, 09:55:13 AM
Summer is dragging on, waiting for football to start up again. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 18, 2018, 04:37:37 PM
First of two prospect camps on the Mountain last weekend.   Imagine much the same is happening on the other campuses.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 12, 2018, 02:52:57 PM
Hey SAA football peeps!

The d3football.com preseason poll (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2018/preseason) is out.   Berry is the only conference school ranked (22nd); Centre is also receiving votes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on July 19, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
Good to see Berry and Centre getting some early votes. 

It'll be interesting to see if Berry can continue their strong results from the past 2 years.  Especially breaking in a new QB.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on July 19, 2018, 10:26:02 AM
BerryCollegeFan

Hey, you've had two good years. Why not keep it going? Sometimes a couple good years is enough of a kick start to move the program along. Think positively!
It 's nice to see some new programs doing well. Would love to see some parity in Dlll. Of course, I don't tire of seeing the same old Mount Union guys up there.
Good luck on the season. Go Vikings! Go Raiders! Oh, what the hell, Go Everybody! ☠🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on July 19, 2018, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on July 19, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
Good to see Berry and Centre getting some early votes. 

It'll be interesting to see if Berry can continue their strong results from the past 2 years.  Especially breaking in a new QB.

Shouldn't the QB be a senior this year?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on July 22, 2018, 08:20:57 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on July 19, 2018, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on July 19, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
Good to see Berry and Centre getting some early votes. 

It'll be interesting to see if Berry can continue their strong results from the past 2 years.  Especially breaking in a new QB.

Shouldn't the QB be a senior this year?

I've heard that of last year's starting backfield two were Seniors and two are not coming back. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on July 22, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Clark Kent

Do you work for a great metropolitan newspaper? Gave you a +k just in case!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 23, 2018, 08:59:52 AM
Quote from: Clark Kent on July 22, 2018, 08:20:57 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on July 19, 2018, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on July 19, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
Good to see Berry and Centre getting some early votes. 

It'll be interesting to see if Berry can continue their strong results from the past 2 years.  Especially breaking in a new QB.

Shouldn't the QB be a senior this year?

I've heard that of last year's starting backfield two were Seniors and two are not coming back.

If so, they are still listed on the 2018-19 roster:
http://www.berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2018-19/roster

EDIT:   Guess we'll find out for sure when Kickoff (http://d3football.com/notables/2018/06/order-kickoff-2018-now) comes out on August 9th!   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2018, 04:29:37 PM
Folks, just a reminder that Kickoff '18 goes live tomorrow! Register now if you haven't already!
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/06/order-kickoff-2018-now
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: paparcc on August 11, 2018, 09:12:17 AM
Preview: No. 22 Berry Vikings

Last year: 11-1, 8-0
Change in wins from prev. year: Plus-2
Last playoff appearance: None
Last conference title: None

Last year's rank, total offense: 91
Last year's rank, total defense: 37
Players who started camp: 118
Coach: Tony Kunczewski,
sixth season, 29-22
Starters returning: 10 (five offense, three defense, two specialist)

So how reliable is the info in this publication????
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Clark Kent on August 11, 2018, 09:34:47 AM
Just read the Berry write up and it confirms the 2017 starters at QB & RB, both All-Conference, are not returning for 2018.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 11, 2018, 10:15:21 AM
Easily fixed -- thanks for the heads-up. Email works better than a message board post.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 11, 2018, 10:02:16 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on August 11, 2018, 09:34:47 AM
Just read the Berry write up and it confirms the 2017 starters at QB & RB, both All-Conference, are not returning for 2018.

If true, the forecast for a second consecutive SAA championship is somewhat surprising with only 10 returning starters and Hendrix bringing back almost everyone including their all-America QB. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on August 13, 2018, 07:42:00 AM
The loss of those two players is surprising and concerning.  However the arrival of the transfer RB is promising.  Also, the new starting QB played a lot last season and is a talented senior.  I think we will be ok.


Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 11, 2018, 10:02:16 PM
Quote from: Clark Kent on August 11, 2018, 09:34:47 AM
Just read the Berry write up and it confirms the 2017 starters at QB & RB, both All-Conference, are not returning for 2018.

If true, the forecast for a second consecutive SAA championship is somewhat surprising with only 10 returning starters and Hendrix bringing back almost everyone including their all-America QB.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2018, 12:18:44 PM
Interesting to see the Berry SID AD leave for a similar position at non-football playing Oglethorpe.

http://gopetrels.com/general/2018-19/releases/20180816g93diw
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on August 16, 2018, 12:20:39 PM
Wow, I find this VERY surprising.


quote author=Ron Boerger link=topic=7534.msg1876020#msg1876020 date=1534436324]
Interesting to see the Berry SID leave for a similar position at non-football playing Oglethorpe.

http://gopetrels.com/general/2018-19/releases/20180816g93diw
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Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Coolrey on August 16, 2018, 04:54:09 PM
Looking at TLU's roster, looks like they have quite a few coming back.  Coaching staff did a great job last year rebounding from the tough year before.  Does look like the coaching staff has changed some this year.  Hopefully those changes keep them on track.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2018, 06:55:20 PM
I don't think it's surprising. A school needs to fund its SID position well if it wants to keep people around.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on August 17, 2018, 07:38:03 AM
Mr. Brooks was the AD, not the SID


Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2018, 06:55:20 PM
I don't think it's surprising. A school needs to fund its SID position well if it wants to keep people around.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2018, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on August 17, 2018, 07:38:03 AM
Mr. Brooks was the AD, not the SID


Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2018, 06:55:20 PM
I don't think it's surprising. A school needs to fund its SID position well if it wants to keep people around.

Thank you for the correction.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 26, 2018, 04:29:20 PM
Time for some football!

Week 1 Schedule:
Thurs, 8/31 ->
Trinity at McMurry
LaGrange at B-SC
Millsaps at Belhaven
Sat., 9/1 ->
Sewanee at Kenyon
SW Assemblies of God at Austin
Maryville at Berry
Hanover at Centre
Illinois Col. at Rhodes
Lyon at Hendrix

So... interesting games of the week?   I'm thinking Maryville at Berry to see if the Vikings can continue last season's success.    Followed by Lyon at Hendrix to see what Hendrix has for this season. 

Of course, will watch Sewanee at Kenyon...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2018, 01:18:42 PM
Trinity has to break in a new QB this season, and I have no idea who it will be.   There are two guys, one a junior, the other a soph who have 12 career passes between them, a junior who is a converted defender/occasional punter, and two freshmen.  My guess is that there will be an emphasis on running the ball early in the season  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2018, 09:16:24 PM
Heading into the 4th, Trinity up 37-0 at McMurry.  No, that is not a typo as the Tigers are getting it done in the air and on the ground with over 400 yards offense through three.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 30, 2018, 10:59:50 PM
Looks like both Messex and Ware performed well this evening.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 30, 2018, 11:03:42 PM
Looks like B-SC dodged a bullet by surviving a late surge in the 4Q by LaGrange. Final there was 34-20 B-SC with LaGrange scoring 21 in the 4Q.

Haven't seen any updates as yet from Millsaps vs. Belhaven.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on August 30, 2018, 11:44:15 PM
Final in Abilene: Trinity 44 - McMurry - 0

Trinity finished with 531 yards of offense to McMurry's 265. Looks like Trinity is going to trot out another sub 5'10 QB as their starter - Messex finished 8-18 for 161 and two TDs. Running game really shined tonight as Trinity went to their traditional I-formation ground and pound, finishing with 287 overall, and led by Evan McDowell with 129 yards. Pleasant surprise to see Sophomore WR Chris Stewart lead the game in receiving yards with 119, with one long play early in the second for 80 yards. Last year's leading receiver for Trinity, Tommy Lavine, held to just 23 yards. Based on this game, it would appear Trinity is going to rely even more on their ground game this year, which should actually work out okay given their size on the O-line and their depth at RB.

Defense also looked stout. Could be the best season for the Tigers since their last truly good year in 2011 when they won the conference championship. Won't get too ahead of myself though...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2018, 07:42:44 AM
Millsaps 18-3 victory over Belhaven means the SAA was undefeated on opening night.

Does the conference not do preseason polls of the coaches?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on August 31, 2018, 08:35:01 AM
Good start for the SAA ... congrats to Trinity, Millsaps and Birmingham Southern on the wins.  On to Saturday...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on August 31, 2018, 09:57:58 AM

BerryViking92

Know a little about Trinity, having played them, but not much about your conference. Never really heard of Berry - until last year. Now, lots of people have heard of you.
Good luck on the season. Hope you make it back into the playoffs. Go Vikings, from an old Mount Union guy. Ah, Go Raiders too! ☠🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on August 31, 2018, 01:58:07 PM
Thank you and good luck to you, although you don't need much in the way of luck!

Quote from: MUC57 on August 31, 2018, 09:57:58 AM

BerryViking92

Know a little about Trinity, having played them, but not much about your conference. Never really heard of Berry - until last year. Now, lots of people have heard of you.
Good luck on the season. Hope you make it back into the playoffs. Go Vikings, from an old Mount Union guy. Ah, Go Raiders too! ☠🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 04, 2018, 08:23:42 AM
Really strong opening week for the SAA ....

I said last week that there was no way Berry could be better than last year.  And I still have concerns ... running game, young receivers ... but wow, impressive win over Maryville.  Defense "looks" (I listened to the radio broadcast) really good.  Either Maryville has really fallen, or we are much better than I hoped.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 04, 2018, 10:53:18 PM
Def. were good results from the past weekend.   I don't think that Sewanee's game with Kenyon was a good test for us as Kenyon looked like a team that was coming off an 0-10 season.    This week's game with W&L will be interesting given how the Generals appeared to struggle in their game on Saturday.

Some other interesting games this week:
Maryville continues their trip through the SAA by hosting Centre
B-SC at Huntingdon is a good rivalry game
Then you have Hendrix at TLU and HSC at Trinity

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 05, 2018, 12:48:17 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on September 04, 2018, 08:23:42 AM
Really strong opening week for the SAA ....

I said last week that there was no way Berry could be better than last year.  And I still have concerns ... running game, young receivers ... but wow, impressive win over Maryville.  Defense "looks" (I listened to the radio broadcast) really good.  Either Maryville has really fallen, or we are much better than I hoped.

Maryville was as big as they usually are on the lines, but Berry shutdown their running attack.  The Berry defense was stout for sure.  Maryville QB missed on some open passes, but he was hurried at times as well.  Berry was able to stretch the field a couple times and get some receivers behind the defense.  Berry's offense had some mental mistakes, but took advantage when they had opportunity. 

Great first game, we will know more after LaGrange this Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on September 05, 2018, 02:37:21 PM
I was at the game Saturday night and let's just say Maryville wasn't the Maryville Berry has seen the last 5 years. Take nothing away from Berry, but Maryville was struggling on offense just getting the ball back to the QB from center. QB was constantly having to jump up and catch the snap over his head. Maryville played 4 QBs if that is any indication. Berry played well in spots, spread the ball around on offense but Maryville's corners could not stay with #12 and looked lost on a couple of blown coverages. Berry's defense looked good, but it was hard to really gauge with what I saw out of Maryville. They are young and will get stronger thru the year, but road trips to Rhodes and Centre will be a big tests in the first 4 games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 06, 2018, 02:59:51 PM
Welcome to the board. 

Yes, Maryville was not their typical team, which was a surprise.  Berry is young too.  #12 is a JR, #80 is SO and the other WRs were FR.  They have 2 HB that are JR and rest are FR.  I don't think there is a SR at all getting significant playing time as a receiver.

Lot's of new faces on Defense too. 

Every team has young players this time of year.  We'll see in the next few weeks which ones grow up quickly...

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on September 06, 2018, 04:05:58 PM
Correct on the receivers. #16 and #83 were the last of the receiving corps that graduated after last season that came in the first recruiting class and they got a redshirt year for injury. I don't think there is a Sr. WR on the team this year. #12 has helped fill the void. A couple of years there weren't any new receivers that stuck around. #80 looked good and I think #83's brother will help and a few others contributed Sat as well. A lot of experience graduated over the last 2 years on both sides of the ball, but a lot of FR played last year on D and that will help. A nice recruiting class this past off season, but as stated, which ones grow up quickly. Berry has a tough road schedule this year and Rhodes and Centre on the road in the 1st 4 games is tough. Rhodes QB is pretty good and Centre is always strong especially in Danville.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on September 06, 2018, 10:03:26 PM
How do I go about watching replay of Berry & Maryville on demand? Need password. TYIA
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2018, 10:07:52 PM
Quote from: Cedricb313 on September 06, 2018, 10:03:26 PM
How do I go about watching replay of Berry & Maryville on demand? Need password. TYIA

Psst -- not going to support sharing of passwords on the site. Sorry.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on September 06, 2018, 10:59:31 PM
Not the "intent".  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2018, 12:44:28 PM
Trinity gets a couple of brief mentions on this week's ATN Podcast (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2018/09/07/atn-podcast-201-big-names-take-the-field/) - as an opponent to #10 Hardin-Simmons who are playing their first game of the season.  Plenty of other good general D3 infp as always.

It looks like it will be wet off and on today and tomorrow and Trinity has grass, so good luck to everyone involved.   Looks like they have reduced the estimated rainfall which would be good.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 09, 2018, 10:44:18 AM
My first game seen live at Trinity in over 30 years and it was great!  Awesome crowd, beautiful evening and really good football by both sides.  HS has a serious running game, but TU big plays and the ability to force turnovers (although not always capitalize) kept them in it.  Looking forward to seeing many more games in San Antonio!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 10, 2018, 08:28:11 AM
I think Berry's relative youth showed more this weekend.  Special teams gaffes, etc.  Sometimes you gotta win ugly.  Going to have to execute better the next two weeks to keep winning.  Hats off to Lagrange, who seem to have found a talented quarterback.

Hats also off to Trinity for the aggressive scheduling and for really pushing a highly ranked team. Birmingham Southern's win over Huntington also quite impressive, as was Centre's beat down of Maryville. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2018, 08:36:07 AM
Was Hendrix QB Thompson injured against TLU, or just pulled after an ineffective first half (by his standards)?   Not sure why you'd stick with Doerr who was 6-16 for 20 yards, 16 of which came on one play.   

Happy to see Trinity do well against HSU, with whom they had some epic battles back in the day before UMHB sucked much of the oxygen out of D3 football in the state.   I think Coach Urban has them on track to compete in the SAA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 10, 2018, 10:34:19 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on September 10, 2018, 08:28:11 AM
I think Berry's relative youth showed more this weekend.  Special teams gaffes, etc.  Sometimes you gotta win ugly.  Going to have to execute better the next two weeks to keep winning.  Hats off to Lagrange, who seem to have found a talented quarterback.


LaGrange's QB is definitely a player.  He made some excellent throws and was able to get outside the pocket when Berry collapsed the protection.  He made a few good runs on RPO as well.

Berry's youth is coming along, but still young.  Little brother #83 should have had a TD but couldn't hold onto the ball.  Hand strength wasn't there when the defender was tugging at the ball.  He'll learn...

Gotta give the coaches the fault for the converted fake punt.  After Berry didn't rush middle several times, there was no reason not to try for that inside shuffle pass.  LaGrange executed it perfectly.

I noticed another HB went down with a leg injury.  Hope they all get back soon.  That's a tough position, they need to know all the routes and the blocking schemes.  It'll be hard for another player to pick it up quickly if needed.

Again glad for the win. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 10, 2018, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on September 10, 2018, 08:28:11 AM
Hats also off to Trinity for the aggressive scheduling and for really pushing a highly ranked team. Birmingham Southern's win over Huntington also quite impressive, as was Centre's beat down of Maryville.

That was a good showing from Trinity. 

Agree on the nice wins for BSC and Centre.  Millsaps won as well.  I thought Hendrix might do better. 

And truthfully Sewanee didn't play extremely bad either,  I think they wore down with little depth.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 10, 2018, 11:25:51 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 10, 2018, 11:11:09 AM

And truthfully Sewanee didn't play extremely bad either,  I think they wore down with little depth.

While the end result was not that different from usual, I did think Sewanee looked better this year. The QB has a good arm, he needs a bit more touch on his passes. He was high a bunch of times, but even when he wasn't, the ball seemed to arrive with a lot more pace than necessary or more than his guys were ready for. He did make a few nice plays where he was absolutely sunk, 2 defenders hanging off him, and he hung in the pocket and got either short shuffle passes or dumps off for decent gains when it should have been a sack, so I like how he kept his eyes downfield and didn't panic.

The lines really seem to be the weakness. Especially as the game wore on, W&L got more pressure defensively and opened more holes or sealed off corners offensively. Some of that looked like good halftime adjustments by the Generals, some of it looked like a worn out Sewanee team.

Regardless though, the Tigers seem to be moving the right direction. We will see if they can become more competitive over the next couple years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
Trinity gets another shout-out in this week's ATN podcast (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2018/09/10/atn-podcast-202-struggle/), with nice sentiments from both Pat and Keith on wanting to see the program return to at least some of the success it once had.   Thanks, guys.   

I think the SAA is a fine conference and a good place for what the Texas Tigers are trying to become. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 10, 2018, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 10, 2018, 11:25:51 AM

Regardless though, the Tigers seem to be moving the right direction. We will see if they can become more competitive over the next couple years.

You can see a big difference on the conditioning side from this Sewanee team vs. the past few years.   The comment was made on the live stream of our "Coffee with the Coach" event earlier today that only 4 kids passed the conditioning test that Coach Rundle put the team through last year.    This year only four failed the same test at the start of the season.  We also have improved a bit in the DB positions over last year... didn't see any of that letting W&L beat you on their passing (yes... passing  :) ) that we experienced in the past two games with W&L.

Darras is doing better at the QB position than what we had last year with him sharing time with Hearn.  I do think he wants to hold onto the ball too long at times and, like you say, needs to work on his touch.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 10, 2018, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 10, 2018, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 10, 2018, 11:25:51 AM

Regardless though, the Tigers seem to be moving the right direction. We will see if they can become more competitive over the next couple years.

You can see a big difference on the conditioning side from this Sewanee team vs. the past few years.   The comment was made on the live stream of our "Coffee with the Coach" event earlier today that only 4 kids passed the conditioning test that Coach Rundle put the team through last year.    This year only four failed the same test at the start of the season.  We also have improved a bit in the DB positions over last year... didn't see any of that letting W&L beat you on their passing (yes... passing  :) ) that we experienced in the past two games with W&L.

Darras is doing better at the QB position than what we had last year with him sharing time with Hearn.  I do think he wants to hold onto the ball too long at times and, like you say, needs to work on his touch.

Well... we did go 2-3 passing for 99 yards including a 62 yard td. We don't do it often, but we do catch people napping. Poor Montgomery Owen was 1 yard from being the first 100 yard W&L receiver since... W&L played Sewanee in 2016 and Witt Hawkins went over 100 yards. So close.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2018, 07:25:22 PM
TLU02SA answered my question re Hendrix QB Thompson on the ASC board:  he was injured.   More info at https://www.thecabin.net/sports/20180910/hendrix-loses-thompson-game-against-tlu
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2018, 11:55:21 AM
SAA conference play gets underway this week:

Berry @ Rhodes   2:00 PM   
Austin @ Sewanee 2:00 PM   
Millsaps @ Trinity (Tex.)  2:00 PM   
Centre @ Hendrix 3:00 PM   

Berry - Rhodes should be an interesting match of undefeated teams; the Lynx have been impressive and last week's 43-19 road win over a RHIT squad that went 8-2 last year was an eye opener.  Berry in a tight one but could go either way.

Austin has struggled to field a competitive team for years and after an 0-2 start faces a Sewanee (1-1) team in the third of a four game homestand.   I'll go with the Mountain Men on this one.

Millsaps and Trinity - Majors (2-0) always turn it up a notch for Trinity (1-1) dating back to the days when they took turns at the top of the SCAC.   Despite being dominated on the stat chart, Tigers stayed close to (now) #8 Hardin-Simmons before yielding a back-breaking TD late in the fourth quarter.  Has been raining for days in San Antonio and projected to do so the rest of the week - and the grass was probably torn up some last week by HSU's ground game.   Pick 'em. 

Centre and Hendrix face off in a very early matchup that could have a lot to say about the eventual SAA champion.  Colonels have looked good against two teams that have yet to win a game, while Hendrix unexpectedly lost at home to a good TLU side last week.   The injury to Miles Thompson looms large in this one.   Take Hendrix if Thompson can play, otherwise Centre.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 14, 2018, 01:51:34 PM
It seems the experts don't like our chances at Rhodes tomorrow.  Come on Vikings, prove them wrong.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2018, 04:31:25 PM
Trinity loses a defensive struggle to Millsaps on the last play of the game, 10-7.   Looked like the game would likely go into OT as neither team could move the ball in the 4th (or third, really) but the Tigers fumbled inside their own 30 with less than three minutes to go and the Majors were able to get the ball inside the 10 before kicking the game winning 25-yard FG as time expired. 

I wasn't able to watch the game (grading papers, yay) but imagine the field conditions were pretty sloppy after a week's worth of rain in San Antonio.   Neither team managed 250 yards of offense (Millsaps, 242 to Trinity's 203).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 15, 2018, 07:29:32 PM
Rhodes recovered quickly after a first quarter where Berry made it look like they were going to steamroller the Lynx.   Berry was able to hold them off for the win, tho'.

Doesn't look like Centre had any problems beating up on the Hendrix.   Surprised me,  thought that was going to be a closer game.

Sewanee held off Austin. That one went about as expected.   

Big game next week with Berry traveling to Centre.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 15, 2018, 07:29:32 PM
Rhodes recovered quickly after a first quarter where Berry made it look like they were going to steamroller the Lynx.   Berry was able to hold them off for the win, tho'.

Doesn't look like Centre had any problems beating up on the Hendrix.   Surprised me,  thought that was going to be a closer game.

Sewanee held off Austin. That one went about as expected.   

Big game next week with Berry traveling to Centre.

Thompson didn't play again for Hendrix.  Hard to lose a player that good.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 17, 2018, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on September 14, 2018, 01:51:34 PM
It seems the experts don't like our chances at Rhodes tomorrow.  Come on Vikings, prove them wrong.

Berry ran the ball often and had 300 yards on the ground.   After the 1st 3 game this seems like a theme the coaches might be using more this season.

Rhodes fought hard and made some nice plays.  8 made a few really great catches in traffic.  I wasn't sure how #6 got those balls in there.  They will certainly win some games this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 19, 2018, 04:12:00 PM
Good article by Brian Lester on the D3football main page about our QB at Sewanee and how his season-ending ACL injury last season ended up with him spending the summer in an internship shadowing the surgeon who did the repair.   

http://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2018/sewanee-alex-darras-cuts-both-ways (http://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2018/sewanee-alex-darras-cuts-both-ways)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 20, 2018, 08:35:45 AM
 
Hendrix @ Austin  2:00 PM   
Rhodes @ Birmingham Southern     2:00 PM   
Millsaps @ Sewanee     2:00 PM 
Berry @ Centre    7:00 PM

Trinity is off this week...

5 teams without a conf loss.  4 play each other, so 2 will definitely fall from the unbeaten,  BSC gets its first conf game this week at home.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 20, 2018, 10:53:48 AM
Big weekend looms...

Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 20, 2018, 08:35:45 AM

Hendrix @ Austin  2:00 PM   
Rhodes @ Birmingham Southern     2:00 PM   
Millsaps @ Sewanee     2:00 PM 
Berry @ Centre    7:00 PM

Trinity is off this week...

5 teams without a conf loss.  4 play each other, so 2 will definitely fall from the unbeaten,  BSC gets its first conf game this week at home.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 20, 2018, 04:43:55 PM
yes it does.  looks like it'll be cooler in Danville.  mid-80's at kickoff  Should be an awesome night for a game if the rain holds. 

I understand Centre is bringing in some extra stands on the visitors side or endzone...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on September 22, 2018, 05:08:52 PM
Way to go Roos!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on September 23, 2018, 11:43:57 AM
Was unable to get to Danville, Ky. Saturday night but was able to watch and listen online. A back and forth game that was exactly what I figured it would be with Berry and Centre. I'll admit I was worried about this game as well as last weeks game. 2 tough conference games on the road back to back with a fairly young Berry team and Centre is always a tough place to get a win. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe they have now lost twice at home in the last five years and both of those games to the Vikings. 2 huge road wins for Berry has them in the driver's seat, but still a lot of football to be played.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 23, 2018, 09:29:27 PM
Schedule favors Berry with 4 out of the last 6 at home with road games at Hendrix and Trinity.

Millsaps is going to spoil someone's party this year based on what I saw from them on the Mountain on Saturday.   Pretty typical Majors team: not a lot of flash but solid overall play.   

Good game for the Roos with the win against Hendrix.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 24, 2018, 10:30:39 AM
Berry brought a great crowd for the rainy game in Danville.  It was sporadically coming down in sheets, ut most of the fans stayed in the seats.  Berry filled up the visitors stands and had 1/3 of the overflow section of the home stands full.

Centre has a great home (and overall record) during the last 5 seasons.
2014 5-0 H * 10-1 road playoff loss to John Carroll
2015 4-1 H * 8-2  home loss to Hendrix, road to Chicago
2016 4-1 H * 8-2 home loss to Berry, road to Hendrix
2017 5-0 H * 9-1 road loss to Berry
2018 1-1 H * 3-1 home loss to Berry

Home 19-3 during that time - 86%

I was touched by the caring of the Centre players.  Berry had a defensive player who was seriously hurt.  A Centre player (#15 QB, I think) approached the refs and then our sideline asking the teams to huddle together at the 50 to pray for the Berry athlete.  Awesome job by those young men.  Thank you!

Berry's defense has certainly been giving up more points than the fans would like.  At times their zone can seem soft.  They did have 3 turnovers in the game and took advantage of them.  But they need to get that tightened up going forward.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 24, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
What a game for both Berry and Centre on Saturday.  Big win on the road.  Hope the kid is ok, by all reports very classy move by Centre.

Big win also for Austin.  Hendrix seems to be crushed by the injury to the qb.  Rhodes also impressive.  Millsaps is the surprise team by far.  Will be interesting to see how their season plays out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on September 24, 2018, 10:37:52 AM
BerryCollegeFan

Great story in your post above. Nice gesture by the Centre player and the entire Centre team. When a player is injured, everyone feels it. Fine sportsmanship. Hope the player is OK and recovers soon.
Best to the Vikings on the season. ☠🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on September 24, 2018, 10:38:11 AM
Millsaps usually gives Berry a tough game whether on the road or at home. Berry is at home this year with them, but I expect a battle.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 24, 2018, 04:31:29 PM
Berry's player had to stay back in Ky.  I haven't heard an update today.  I saw a video from Sunday and he was in good spirits wishing the team well and congratulating them on the win.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 25, 2018, 08:58:11 AM
Centre is off this week.

Other games...

Austin at Berry
Sewanee at Hendrix
BSU at Trinity
Rhodes at Millsaps

plenty of storylines in this line-up of games.  I think we could see some very competitive games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 25, 2018, 10:40:43 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 25, 2018, 08:58:11 AM
Centre is off this week.

Other games...

Austin at Berry
Sewanee at Hendrix
BSU at Trinity
Rhodes at Millsaps

plenty of storylines in this line-up of games.  I think we could see some very competitive games.

Rhodes at Millsaps is a very interesting match up and will tell us a lot about how good Millsaps really is.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 26, 2018, 10:06:29 AM
BSC comes through with a show of support for Berry's Justus Edwards.

https://twitter.com/bscfootball/status/1044747874523844609?s=21
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2018, 10:19:02 PM
#15 Berry humiliates Austin, 61-0 (and it could have been worse).
Sewanee continues Hendrix's season from hell with a 38-31 win in Conway, stopping the Warriors twice on downs after they had closed to the final margin on a punt return TD by Jared Bazley.  Alex Darras had 364 yards passing for the Mountain Men; Mason Doerr had 339 for Hendrix.
Trinity survives a low punt snap which gave BSC the ball inside the TU 30 with plenty of time to score late to win 24-17.
In Jackson, Rhodes has just taken a 21-14 lead with just over four minutes remaining.  PJ Settles has 144 yards on the ground to go with 169 yards in the air.   Millsaps is driving.

And for gosh sakes someone tell the Millsaps announcers to quit constantly complaining about the officiating.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2018, 10:44:53 PM
Millsaps tied it with under 2:00 remaining, but Rhodes took it from their own 15 to the 'saps 16 and Crew Jacobs knocked it through from 33.  Berry now stands alone at the top of the conference.   Great clock management and play calling from Rhodes during that drive. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 30, 2018, 06:35:59 PM
We knew the Rhodes/Millsaps game would be a good tight game.  It didn't disappoint. 

Great game by Rhodes.  I expect the Berry/Millsaps game to be a good one in a few weeks.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 01, 2018, 07:49:52 AM
Up to #14.  Can't wait to be in Rome this weekend for Mt Day and the Sewanee game.  Go Vikings!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 01, 2018, 09:45:38 AM
Highest ranking ever!  They jumped a couple teams that won too.  That doesn't happen very often.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associatio
Post by: MUC57 on October 01, 2018, 09:59:31 AM

Berry fans

Congrats on your new ranking. Number 14! Nice to see some new teams up there. Of course, I don't mind " old" Mount Union still up there. How about a Mount - Berry playoff game? I think that would be neat! Best to you guys on the rest of the season. Hey, my first loyalty is to the Purple Raiders, being a graduate, but I also root for some other teams. Berry is one of them. Go Vikings! ☠🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associatio
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 01, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 01, 2018, 09:59:31 AM

Berry fans

Congrats on your new ranking. Number 14! Nice to see some new teams up there. Of course, I don't mind " old" Mount Union still up there. How about a Mount - Berry playoff game? I think that would be neat! Best to you guys on the rest of the season. Hey, my first loyalty is to the Purple Raiders, being a graduate, but I also root for some other teams. Berry is one of them. Go Vikings! ☠🏈

Thanks, but give us a couple more years to get ready to take on Mount Union, certainly the cream of the crop. But I truly feel we are a program on the rise
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associatio
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 01, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 01, 2018, 09:59:31 AM

Berry fans

Congrats on your new ranking. Number 14! Nice to see some new teams up there. Of course, I don't mind " old" Mount Union still up there. How about a Mount - Berry playoff game? I think that would be neat! Best to you guys on the rest of the season. Hey, my first loyalty is to the Purple Raiders, being a graduate, but I also root for some other teams. Berry is one of them. Go Vikings! ☠🏈

Thanks, but give us a couple more years to get ready to take on Mount Union, certainly the cream of the crop. But I truly feel we are a program on the rise

I hope Berry boosts the non-conference schedule to one worthy of a program on the rise. I understand scheduling LaGrange, but get out of the local area and play someone in the rest of Division III. How about someone like Wittenberg?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associatio
Post by: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 01, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 01, 2018, 09:59:31 AM

Berry fans

Congrats on your new ranking. Number 14! Nice to see some new teams up there. Of course, I don't mind " old" Mount Union still up there. How about a Mount - Berry playoff game? I think that would be neat! Best to you guys on the rest of the season. Hey, my first loyalty is to the Purple Raiders, being a graduate, but I also root for some other teams. Berry is one of them. Go Vikings! ☠🏈

Thanks, but give us a couple more years to get ready to take on Mount Union, certainly the cream of the crop. But I truly feel we are a program on the rise

I hope Berry boosts the non-conference schedule to one worthy of a program on the rise. I understand scheduling LaGrange, but get out of the local area and play someone in the rest of Division III. How about someone like Wittenberg?

Takes 2 to tango. That's a long ride. 500 miles even on TES. Other than a trip to Wash U back in 2009 and 2007, Witt's OOC has been pretty local. Olivet or Alma at 250-300 miles seems to be the outlier and that goes back to the mid 90s. Capital has been up 4 times at 50 miles. The number of good schools Witt would drive past seems a bit silly.

Berry is just a difficult island to be on, and with expensive trips to Texas every year, plus Arkansas every other, it's asking a lot to shell out for a distance OOC as well. Berry really needs the ODAC or USASAC to develop a strong team.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associatio
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 01, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 01, 2018, 09:59:31 AM

Berry fans

Congrats on your new ranking. Number 14! Nice to see some new teams up there. Of course, I don't mind " old" Mount Union still up there. How about a Mount - Berry playoff game? I think that would be neat! Best to you guys on the rest of the season. Hey, my first loyalty is to the Purple Raiders, being a graduate, but I also root for some other teams. Berry is one of them. Go Vikings! ☠🏈

Thanks, but give us a couple more years to get ready to take on Mount Union, certainly the cream of the crop. But I truly feel we are a program on the rise

I hope Berry boosts the non-conference schedule to one worthy of a program on the rise. I understand scheduling LaGrange, but get out of the local area and play someone in the rest of Division III. How about someone like Wittenberg?

Takes 2 to tango. That's a long ride. 500 miles even on TES. Other than a trip to Wash U back in 2009 and 2007, Witt's OOC has been pretty local. Olivet or Alma at 250-300 miles seems to be the outlier and that goes back to the mid 90s. Capital has been up 4 times at 50 miles. The number of good schools Witt would drive past seems a bit silly.

Berry is just a difficult island to be on, and with expensive trips to Texas every year, plus Arkansas every other, it's asking a lot to shell out for a distance OOC as well. Berry really needs the ODAC or USASAC to develop a strong team.

I am fully aware of how scheduling happens. But Berry can't rely on someone else to help it build its program. Understood that Witt has been local, but it doesn't have to be. If you want to play football with the big boys -- go find someone bigger to play. Gotta do what you can to make that happen rather than just play on your island the whole time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 01, 2018, 02:15:04 PM
I think Witt-Berry would be a fantastic game, but agree with jk that Witt would have to really, really want to do it.  I have no idea who Witt has lined up after this year. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 02:27:36 PM
I threw out Witt as a prototype because they are within busing distance (I know, 490-something is a lot, but for a Week 1 game where the kids likely aren't missing as much class time, I think it's possible to extend the reasonable travel), because they are in the same echelon as where Berry is currently ranked, and because they are both in conferences where the academic level of the schools is considered important.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associatio
Post by: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 01, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 01, 2018, 09:59:31 AM

Berry fans

Congrats on your new ranking. Number 14! Nice to see some new teams up there. Of course, I don't mind " old" Mount Union still up there. How about a Mount - Berry playoff game? I think that would be neat! Best to you guys on the rest of the season. Hey, my first loyalty is to the Purple Raiders, being a graduate, but I also root for some other teams. Berry is one of them. Go Vikings! ☠🏈

Thanks, but give us a couple more years to get ready to take on Mount Union, certainly the cream of the crop. But I truly feel we are a program on the rise

I hope Berry boosts the non-conference schedule to one worthy of a program on the rise. I understand scheduling LaGrange, but get out of the local area and play someone in the rest of Division III. How about someone like Wittenberg?

Takes 2 to tango. That's a long ride. 500 miles even on TES. Other than a trip to Wash U back in 2009 and 2007, Witt's OOC has been pretty local. Olivet or Alma at 250-300 miles seems to be the outlier and that goes back to the mid 90s. Capital has been up 4 times at 50 miles. The number of good schools Witt would drive past seems a bit silly.

Berry is just a difficult island to be on, and with expensive trips to Texas every year, plus Arkansas every other, it's asking a lot to shell out for a distance OOC as well. Berry really needs the ODAC or USASAC to develop a strong team.

I am fully aware of how scheduling happens. But Berry can't rely on someone else to help it build its program. Understood that Witt has been local, but it doesn't have to be. If you want to play football with the big boys -- go find someone bigger to play. Gotta do what you can to make that happen rather than just play on your island the whole time.

Why? Berry right now plays a more diverse schedule than just about anyone else. The SAA has a few high quality teams year in and out. Through the AQ they have access to the big boys in the end.

Look deeper and I don't think Berry needs to schedule that top tier OOC to build the program. They'll get good, balanced competition every year in the SAA and, if they go undefeated, they are most likely to get paired with the USASAC winner in round 1, probably at home if undefeated. That's a winnable game and, due to being on an island, they are likely to get a very strong round 2 opponent.

Berry is actually in a great situation right now. Winning the SAA, especially going undefeated like last year, makes for a very favorable environment in which to grow. Losing a national level game in the OOC only jeopardizes the winnable first round home game. And would you rather have that big boy at the beginning of the season, where it can damage you, or at the end of the season when it's all or nothing?

Significant possibility of 12 games, including a home playoff, and a national level opponent at the end? Most DIII conference winners be real happy with a situation likely to produce that result.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associatio
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
Significant possibility of 12 games, including a home playoff, and a national level opponent at the end? Most DIII conference winners be real happy with a situation likely to produce that result.

If that's their only ambition, OK. Who's to say that they can't do better?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associatio
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 01, 2018, 02:50:25 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 01, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 01, 2018, 09:59:31 AM

Berry fans

Congrats on your new ranking. Number 14! Nice to see some new teams up there. Of course, I don't mind " old" Mount Union still up there. How about a Mount - Berry playoff game? I think that would be neat! Best to you guys on the rest of the season. Hey, my first loyalty is to the Purple Raiders, being a graduate, but I also root for some other teams. Berry is one of them. Go Vikings! ☠🏈

Thanks, but give us a couple more years to get ready to take on Mount Union, certainly the cream of the crop. But I truly feel we are a program on the rise

I hope Berry boosts the non-conference schedule to one worthy of a program on the rise. I understand scheduling LaGrange, but get out of the local area and play someone in the rest of Division III. How about someone like Wittenberg?

Takes 2 to tango. That's a long ride. 500 miles even on TES. Other than a trip to Wash U back in 2009 and 2007, Witt's OOC has been pretty local. Olivet or Alma at 250-300 miles seems to be the outlier and that goes back to the mid 90s. Capital has been up 4 times at 50 miles. The number of good schools Witt would drive past seems a bit silly.

Berry is just a difficult island to be on, and with expensive trips to Texas every year, plus Arkansas every other, it's asking a lot to shell out for a distance OOC as well. Berry really needs the ODAC or USASAC to develop a strong team.

I am fully aware of how scheduling happens. But Berry can't rely on someone else to help it build its program. Understood that Witt has been local, but it doesn't have to be. If you want to play football with the big boys -- go find someone bigger to play. Gotta do what you can to make that happen rather than just play on your island the whole time.

Why? Berry right now plays a more diverse schedule than just about anyone else. The SAA has a few high quality teams year in and out. Through the AQ they have access to the big boys in the end.

Look deeper and I don't think Berry needs to schedule that top tier OOC to build the program. They'll get good, balanced competition every year in the SAA and, if they go undefeated, they are most likely to get paired with the USASAC winner in round 1, probably at home if undefeated. That's a winnable game and, due to being on an island, they are likely to get a very strong round 2 opponent.

Berry is actually in a great situation right now. Winning the SAA, especially going undefeated like last year, makes for a very favorable environment in which to grow. Losing a national level game in the OOC only jeopardizes the winnable first round home game. And would you rather have that big boy at the beginning of the season, where it can damage you, or at the end of the season when it's all or nothing?

Significant possibility of 12 games, including a home playoff, and a national level opponent at the end? Most DIII conference winners be real happy with a situation likely to produce that result.

I agree.  And Maryville was always a good game at the beginning of the season ... until this year (really what happened to them??).  Our program is still so young.  IF we keep winning at this level, I would expect to see a scheduling move in the next few years.  But right now I am fine with what we are doing.  I believe our coach and administration have handled the football program almost  perfectly since day 1.  We are a program on the rise, one step at a time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associatio
Post by: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
Significant possibility of 12 games, including a home playoff, and a national level opponent at the end? Most DIII conference winners be real happy with a situation likely to produce that result.

If that's their only ambition, OK. Who's to say that they can't do better?

Why do they need 2 national level games a year to get better? They weren't quite at STU's level last year. No shame there. There aren't many that are. But the year before they were even further back. And the year before that they were nowhere near the scene. Their growth is good doing what they are doing.

They don't need that top tier game in the OOC to move forward. In fact, I think it would do more harm then good. They keep building a rep of being a DIII playoff competitor and they are going to pull better and better kids from a football rich, DIII sparse area. They start backsliding and that job gets harder. Going undefeated, winning a playoff game, these things help way more than saying "we lost to #16 Wittenberg by 3" or even, "we beat #16 Wittenberg by 10". That's not going to resonate like the undefeated banner and a playoff win or two per year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 01, 2018, 03:01:14 PM
BerryViking92

For what it's worth, I like your thinking. As you said, one step at a time. Go get 'em Vikings! ☠🏈😀
Also gave you a +k for your thoughts.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associatio
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2018, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 02:52:26 PM
They don't need that top tier game in the OOC to move forward. In fact, I think it would do more harm then good.

That's good -- because Wittenberg isn't in the top tier. That's why I recommended them and not Mount Union or Mary Hardin-Baylor.

Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 01, 2018, 02:50:25 PM
I agree.  And Maryville was always a good game at the beginning of the season ... until this year (really what happened to them??). 

And that's OK -- it was great for a program still bringing its first class through.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 01, 2018, 03:10:05 PM

jknezek

You certainly have a much better analysis of this discussion than I ever could. Your comments make sense to me and sum up my feelings (if I could only articulate them that well).
How about a +k for you and a big Go Generals. ☠🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 01, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 01, 2018, 03:10:05 PM

jknezek

You certainly have a much better analysis of this discussion than I ever could. Your comments make sense to me and sum up my feelings (if I could only articulate them that well).
How about a +k for you and a big Go Generals. ☠🏈

Thanks. I think my Generals are going to need it... The offense was dominated this weekend by RMC's defense. It was difficult to watch.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 01, 2018, 05:48:19 PM
I like the position they are in now,  Obviously Maryville was not the schedule positive they have been in past years.  It wouldn't surprise me if a team might request a game with Berry in the next year or two.  How would a D2 team look on the schedule?

But on the other hand, it looks like all the SAA teams are picking it up this season.  The competition seems to be better (most games).  I think it would help SAA if all the teams had better ooc opponents, but the records were not really bad this year.  with 9 team conference and 8 games, there are only 2 spots for ooc games.  Overall the footprint is pretty wide.  Maybe the competition can pick it up as well...

this year SAA was 13-5 (6-3 H) (7-2 A)

Victories over:
LaGrange (2); McMurry; Belhaven; Kenyon; Maryville (2); Hanover; Illinois College; Lyon; Westminster (Mo.); Rose-Hulman; Huntingdon (team records 13-33)

Loses:
Southwestern Assemblies; Washington and Lee; Wayland Baptist; Texas Lutheran; Hardin-Simmons (these teams are 12-9 on the season)

Just hard to make it work with high $ travel and a budget that is still growing into itself...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2018, 01:46:59 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 01, 2018, 05:48:19 PM
I like the position they are in now,  Obviously Maryville was not the schedule positive they have been in past years.  It wouldn't surprise me if a team might request a game with Berry in the next year or two.  How would a D2 team look on the schedule?

It wouldn't help the selection process. Playing non-D3 schools is a high-risk situation for playoff contenders. It could well provide quality competition, though.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2018, 09:07:47 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 01, 2018, 05:48:19 PM

[...]

Victories over:
LaGrange (2); McMurray; Belhaven; Kenyon; Maryville (2); Hanover; Illinois College; Lyon; Westminster (Mo.); Rose-Hulman; Huntingdon (team records 13-33)

[....]

Note:  It's McMurry (a school in TX).  There's another D3 school named Macmurray in MO.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 03, 2018, 10:25:22 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 01, 2018, 05:48:19 PM
this year SAA was 13-5 (6-3 H) (7-2 A)

Victories over:
LaGrange (2); McMurry; Belhaven; Kenyon; Maryville (2); Hanover; Illinois College; Lyon; Westminster (Mo.); Rose-Hulman; Huntingdon (team records 13-33)

Loses:
Southwestern Assemblies; Washington and Lee; Wayland Baptist; Texas Lutheran; Hardin-Simmons (these teams are 12-9 on the season)

Is it too early to find a SOS comparison?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 03, 2018, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 03, 2018, 10:25:22 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 01, 2018, 05:48:19 PM
this year SAA was 13-5 (6-3 H) (7-2 A)

Victories over:
LaGrange (2); McMurry; Belhaven; Kenyon; Maryville (2); Hanover; Illinois College; Lyon; Westminster (Mo.); Rose-Hulman; Huntingdon (team records 13-33)

Loses:
Southwestern Assemblies; Washington and Lee; Wayland Baptist; Texas Lutheran; Hardin-Simmons (these teams are 12-9 on the season)

Is it too early to find a SOS comparison?

Still a bit early for the NCAA SOS number to be super meaningful, but based on the SAA's out of conference record, my instinct tells me that this league's teams will trend north of the .500 mark which is a good place to be.  It could have set up really well, but with Huntingdon and RHIT performing below expectations, the league isn't getting as much boost from those two as I would have thought five weeks ago.  I think the trouble for an SAA runner up in the Pool C game is that I don't think there are going to be any out of conference results against regionally ranked teams.  And then without those RRO results, you kind of have your runner up in the same mixer with at-large teams from the PAC and CC (operating on the assumption here that the UMHB/HSU loser will be the top ranked at-large team in the region).  That's a tough spot to be in if you're looking at avenues for a second team from the SAA in the tournament. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2018, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 03, 2018, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 03, 2018, 10:25:22 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 01, 2018, 05:48:19 PM
this year SAA was 13-5 (6-3 H) (7-2 A)

Victories over:
LaGrange (2); McMurry; Belhaven; Kenyon; Maryville (2); Hanover; Illinois College; Lyon; Westminster (Mo.); Rose-Hulman; Huntingdon (team records 13-33)

Loses:
Southwestern Assemblies; Washington and Lee; Wayland Baptist; Texas Lutheran; Hardin-Simmons (these teams are 12-9 on the season)

Is it too early to find a SOS comparison?

Still a bit early for the NCAA SOS number to be super meaningful, but based on the SAA's out of conference record, my instinct tells me that this league's teams will trend north of the .500 mark which is a good place to be.  It could have set up really well, but with Huntingdon and RHIT performing below expectations, the league isn't getting as much boost from those two as I would have thought five weeks ago.  I think the trouble for an SAA runner up in the Pool C game is that I don't think there are going to be any out of conference results against regionally ranked teams.  And then without those RRO results, you kind of have your runner up in the same mixer with at-large teams from the PAC and CC (operating on the assumption here that the UMHB/HSU loser will be the top ranked at-large team in the region).  That's a tough spot to be in if you're looking at avenues for a second team from the SAA in the tournament.

The only RRO possibility would be Trinity's loss to Hardin-Simmons, but it's hard to imagine any scenario where that comes in to play. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2018, 04:45:44 PM
...and Trinity's winning the SAA helps HSU, IF they are Pool C.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 04, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
can't let that happen... why would the SAA want to help out Hardin-Simmons?

;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 04, 2018, 05:23:47 PM

Berry fans

Good luck Saturday against Sewanee. Don't know anything about them, but I know a little about Berry. This old Purple Raider says - Go Vikings! ☠🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2018, 03:16:34 PM
Rhodes' live stats/video aren't working.  A tweet from the TU football parent association showed Trinity ahead 17-0 in the third quarter. 17-7 at half (I misinterpreted their earlier tweet)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2018, 04:00:59 PM
24-7 Trinity in third (I presume).   Really wish Rhodes would figure something out ...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
 That's the final.  Good job by the TU defense against a team which scored 35 against Berry.

I eventually got the radio PBP going - good job by the Rhodes announcing duo.  Very professional and gave you a good feel for the game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 08, 2018, 07:38:36 AM
Big win, big crowd.  6-0.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 08, 2018, 08:36:17 AM
Berry set and attendance record for their short history, 4,611.
If they keep this up, they will need to add more stands.

Trinity was impressive against Rhodes.

Hendrix had a better showing against BSC. 

Centre wins comfortably at Austin.

Records:
Berry 4-0
Centre 2-1
Millsaps 2-1
Trinity (Tex.) 2-1
Rhodes 2-2
Sewanee 2-2
Birmingham Southern 1-2
Austin 1-3
Hendrix 0-4

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 08, 2018, 08:39:27 AM
This Saturday's marquee match-up will be Trinity at Centre.  This will be a very good ball game.

Berry at Hendrix
Austin at Millsaps
Birmingham Southern at Sewanee

Rhodes has the off week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2018, 10:06:02 AM
If Centre defeats Trinity (and I agree, that should be a good game), that will leave only Millsaps as a potential stumbling block between the Panthers Vikings and the SAA title. 

Doerr is figuring things out at QB for HX, but how did their defense allow 57 points/600+ yards to B-SC? 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 08, 2018, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2018, 10:06:02 AM
If Centre defeats Trinity (and I agree, that should be a good game), that will leave only Millsaps as a potential stumbling block between the Panthers and the SAA title. 

Doerr is figuring things out at QB for HX, but how did their defense allow 57 points/600+ yards to B-SC?

I think you meant Vikings, not Panthers......
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 08, 2018, 02:36:59 PM
Berry up to #12 in the coaches poll.  :)

http://berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/top_25_week_6
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2018, 03:41:04 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 08, 2018, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2018, 10:06:02 AM
If Centre defeats Trinity (and I agree, that should be a good game), that will leave only Millsaps as a potential stumbling block between the Panthers and the SAA title. 

Doerr is figuring things out at QB for HX, but how did their defense allow 57 points/600+ yards to B-SC?

I think you meant Vikings, not Panthers......

Sorry, corrected, +1
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2018, 10:59:13 PM
Ron,

Pretty sure I know whom I'm talking to in this photo.

https://d3photography.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/071027-SJU-UST/G0000Kj4ZZyBkuyY/I00006KhQyGxs2N0/C00000J2S5EqnckU
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2018, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2018, 10:59:13 PM
Ron,

Pretty sure I know whom I'm talking to in this photo.

https://d3photography.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/071027-SJU-UST/G0000Kj4ZZyBkuyY/I00006KhQyGxs2N0/C00000J2S5EqnckU

LOL - that would be the day.  I can see the confusion on your face across the years .... "what the heck is he trying to say?  Ten laterals?  Naah."   :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 11, 2018, 09:58:18 PM
Best place to eat in Conway?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2018, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 11, 2018, 09:58:18 PM
Best place to eat in Conway?

We don't seem to have many (any?) HX posters these days, so if you trust Yelp:  https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=restaurants&find_loc=Conway%2C+AR

The German place sounds intriguing if a bit pricey ...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2018, 02:45:49 PM
Centre eased past Trinity, 33-28.  Leading 28-27 with a 4th and 4 at the Centre 43 with just over eight minutes remaining, Trinity elected to punt and the Colonels took the ball right down the field, converting a fourth-and-goal from the 1 for the eventual margin (two point conversion was no good).   Trinity got to midfield before turning it over on downs and Centre was able to run out the clock. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on October 13, 2018, 06:48:39 PM
The Roos upset the Majors 34-23. Congrats to my alma mater. 😁
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2018, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 13, 2018, 06:48:39 PM
The Roos upset the Majors 34-23. Congrats to my alma mater. 😁

Happy for you and your guys, Roocru.  It's been pretty tough sledding in Sherman this year.

That combination of results pretty much locks up the SAA for Berry.   Since they have the tiebreaker against Centre, they'd have to lose two games of their last three for anyone else to be in the picture.   Congrats Vikings.

I neglected to mention Trinity suffered 3 turnovers today (to none by Centre) - the last a fumble on the Colonel 1 yard-line in the fourth quarter.   Congrats to Centre for the win today; proud of my guys for hanging in there despite the turnover disparity.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2018, 09:29:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2018, 02:45:49 PM
Centre eased past Trinity, 33-28.  Leading 28-27 with a 4th and 4 at the Centre 43 with just over eight minutes remaining, Trinity elected to punt and the Colonels took the ball right down the field, converting a fourth-and-goal from the 1 for the eventual margin (two point conversion was no good).   Trinity got to midfield before turning it over on downs and Centre was able to run out the clock.
sounds like a great game.  I will try to watch the game later if it is up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2018, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 13, 2018, 06:48:39 PM
The Roos upset the Majors 34-23. Congrats to my alma mater. 😁
Congratulations, great game.  Millsaps is tough at home.

Berry plays Millsaps next week.  I am sure they will be focused.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2018, 09:53:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2018, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 11, 2018, 09:58:18 PM
Best place to eat in Conway?

We don't seem to have many (any?) HX posters these days, so if you trust Yelp:  https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=restaurants&find_loc=Conway%2C+AR

The German place sounds intriguing if a bit pricey ...
with all the rain we stayed pretty close to the college campus.  The Purple Cow had a great diner atmosphere and the Elvis Milkshakes were awesome (peanut butter and banana).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2018, 10:14:44 PM
Hendrix is better than their record.  Sometimes the football does not bounce your way.  That certainly seems to be the case for the Warriors.

Hendrix is a beautiful campus.  I wish the weather has allowed a better time for us to explore it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2018, 10:15:45 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2018, 10:14:44 PM
Hendrix is better than their record.  Sometimes the football does not bounce your way.  That certainly seems to be the case for the Warriors.

Hendrix is a beautiful campus.  I wish the weather has allowed a better time for us to explore it.

I just hope you didn't come away with a scratched-up rental car the way I did on my trip there a few years ago. Parking lot with no curbs? What the hell?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2018, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2018, 10:15:45 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2018, 10:14:44 PM
Hendrix is better than their record.  Sometimes the football does not bounce your way.  That certainly seems to be the case for the Warriors.

Hendrix is a beautiful campus.  I wish the weather has allowed a better time for us to explore it.

I just hope you didn't come away with a scratched-up rental car the way I did on my trip there a few years ago. Parking lot with no curbs? What the hell?
no issues.  They had a visitor lot marked over toward the pedestrian overpass.  But the rain kept the tailgating away.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 15, 2018, 07:55:38 AM
Quote from: roocru on October 13, 2018, 06:48:39 PM
The Roos upset the Majors 34-23. Congrats to my alma mater. 😁

Impressive win!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 15, 2018, 07:55:57 AM
7-0
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 15, 2018, 05:17:00 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 15, 2018, 07:55:57 AM
7-0
yes, just a few more to go!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 16, 2018, 10:14:06 PM
Looks like another rainy game for the Vikings this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 17, 2018, 08:31:56 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 16, 2018, 10:14:06 PM
Looks like another rainy game for the Vikings this weekend.

I am going to be there and really hope the weather will cooperate
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 17, 2018, 03:17:07 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 17, 2018, 08:31:56 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 16, 2018, 10:14:06 PM
Looks like another rainy game for the Vikings this weekend.

I am going to be there and really hope the weather will cooperate

weather channel currently says 100% chance of rain at Mount Berry, GA for Saturday.  As we know the forecast will change before the weather actually arrives.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2018, 04:31:27 PM
Due to miserable field conditions in San Antonio, Trinity's game against Sewanee has been moved to Alamo Stadium (across the street from the upper campus) and will start at 11:00. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 18, 2018, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2018, 04:31:27 PM
Due to miserable field conditions in San Antonio, Trinity's game against Sewanee has been moved to Alamo Stadium (across the street from the upper campus) and will start at 11:00.
trying to avoid this again?

(https://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2018-19/180915-fb2.jpg?max_width=200)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 20, 2018, 10:41:14 PM
Milsaps has an awesome defense.  Their secondary is big and fast.  Their linebackers are not the biggest hitters but they are rarely in the wrong place.  Wow what a game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 21, 2018, 11:33:01 AM

BerryCollegeFan

Congrats on your victory yesterday from one of your fans at Mount Union. I've posted on this board before and have become a Vikings fan. Tough game, but you did what good teams do. Best to ya on the rest of the season. Maybe we'll meet during the playoffs in Alliance. That'd be nice. Go Vikings! ☠🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 21, 2018, 07:09:56 PM
Centre College Colonels (6-1, 4-1) received 26 votes, ^11 after defeating Rhodes College Lynx, 41-14. What are the chances that both, Berry and Centre make the playoffs?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: Cedricb313 on October 21, 2018, 07:09:56 PM
Centre College Colonels (6-1, 4-1) received 26 votes, ^11 after defeating Rhodes College Lynx, 41-14. What are the chances that both, Berry and Centre make the playoffs?
I think that HSU must lose.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 22, 2018, 07:51:19 AM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 21, 2018, 11:33:01 AM

BerryCollegeFan

Congrats on your victory yesterday from one of your fans at Mount Union. I've posted on this board before and have become a Vikings fan. Tough game, but you did what good teams do. Best to ya on the rest of the season. Maybe we'll meet during the playoffs in Alliance. That'd be nice. Go Vikings! ☠🏈

MUC57 You are the best!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 22, 2018, 07:57:16 AM
8-0, and I will say Berry is the only 8-0 team in the top 25.  Eight straight victories, with no week off.  Actually, twenty something straight regular season wins.

That said, it was an ugly win Saturday.  Millsaps is good... and big.  They did a good job exploiting our weaknesses.  All these wins, we forget how young Berry is ... but at times Saturday, it showed.  The question at the beginning of the season was if we had had a good season, or if we have a good program.  I believe that question to be answered.

Hoping for a great showing this Saturday.  Let's wrap this up!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 22, 2018, 08:25:14 AM

BerryViking92

Thanks. It's great to see some newer teams doing well. As I said, I've become a Vikings fan. Don't really know that much about your school or football program. But I do know, the country now knows of Berry College. Good to see you're getting the recognition you deserve. Go get 'em!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on October 22, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
A tough win for Berry on Saturday. I thought the offense looked a little lost against a very good Millsaps D. Credit to #23 for running hard all day and getting a lot of YAC yards. Berry's D stepped up and made play after play. None more important than having the sense to pick up the ball and run with it after the lateral. I'm not surprised it was a tough game. In the 6 years I've watch Millsaps / Berry games, its always a battle no matter the records coming in. Big game this Saturday to clinch. Birmingham Southern won't be easy. Thankfully it is at home in Valhalla and not in Birmingham.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2018, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 22, 2018, 07:51:19 AM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 21, 2018, 11:33:01 AM

BerryCollegeFan

Congrats on your victory yesterday from one of your fans at Mount Union. I've posted on this board before and have become a Vikings fan. Tough game, but you did what good teams do. Best to ya on the rest of the season. Maybe we'll meet during the playoffs in Alliance. That'd be nice. Go Vikings! ☠🏈

MUC57 You are the best!
thanks for the kind words.  Glad to see the Vikings are grabbing attention around the country.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2018, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on October 22, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
A tough win for Berry on Saturday. I thought the offense looked a little lost against a very good Millsaps D. Credit to #23 for running hard all day and getting a lot of YAC yards. Berry's D stepped up and made play after play. None more important than having the sense to pick up the ball and run with it after the lateral. I'm not surprised it was a tough game. In the 6 years I've watch Millsaps / Berry games, its always a battle no matter the records coming in. Big game this Saturday to clinch. Birmingham Southern won't be easy. Thankfully it is at home in Valhalla and not in Birmingham.

After seeing Millsaps in action, it is hard to understand how they lost to Austin.  Millsaps' reputation as the best defense in SAA is certainly true.  They limited Berry to 6 points in regulation.  I think Berry's offense has gotten a little predictable with their formations, run vs pass.  Later in the game the best runs were when the offense was in 4 WR looks, it is good to know Berry can run from those formations if needed.

I was very disappointed in the penalties for Berry: 8-112. They have not had those troubles this season.  Before this last game they averaged 5-51. It really was a significant difference.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on October 22, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2018, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on October 22, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
A tough win for Berry on Saturday. I thought the offense looked a little lost against a very good Millsaps D. Credit to #23 for running hard all day and getting a lot of YAC yards. Berry's D stepped up and made play after play. None more important than having the sense to pick up the ball and run with it after the lateral. I'm not surprised it was a tough game. In the 6 years I've watch Millsaps / Berry games, its always a battle no matter the records coming in. Big game this Saturday to clinch. Birmingham Southern won't be easy. Thankfully it is at home in Valhalla and not in Birmingham.

After seeing Millsaps in action, it is hard to understand how they lost to Austin.  Millsaps' reputation as the best defense in SAA is certainly true.  They limited Berry to 6 points in regulation.  I think Berry's offense has gotten a little predictable with their formations, run vs pass.  Later in the game the best runs were when the offense was in 4 WR looks, it is good to know Berry can run from those formations if needed.

I was very disappointed in the penalties for Berry: 8-112. They have not had those troubles this season.  Before this last game they averaged 5-51. It really was a significant difference.

Maybe the 61-0 loss was the aberration!  ;)  Other than the Berry score AC is losing by an average of 12 points and beat "the best defense in the SAA".  Maybe Austin College is not that far from being competitive in the SCAC?  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2018, 02:05:24 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 22, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2018, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on October 22, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
A tough win for Berry on Saturday. I thought the offense looked a little lost against a very good Millsaps D. Credit to #23 for running hard all day and getting a lot of YAC yards. Berry's D stepped up and made play after play. None more important than having the sense to pick up the ball and run with it after the lateral. I'm not surprised it was a tough game. In the 6 years I've watch Millsaps / Berry games, its always a battle no matter the records coming in. Big game this Saturday to clinch. Birmingham Southern won't be easy. Thankfully it is at home in Valhalla and not in Birmingham.

After seeing Millsaps in action, it is hard to understand how they lost to Austin.  Millsaps' reputation as the best defense in SAA is certainly true.  They limited Berry to 6 points in regulation.  I think Berry's offense has gotten a little predictable with their formations, run vs pass.  Later in the game the best runs were when the offense was in 4 WR looks, it is good to know Berry can run from those formations if needed.

I was very disappointed in the penalties for Berry: 8-112. They have not had those troubles this season.  Before this last game they averaged 5-51. It really was a significant difference.

Maybe the 61-0 loss was the aberration!  ;)  Other than the Berry score AC is losing by an average of 12 points and beat "the best defense in the SAA".  Maybe Austin College is not that far from being competitive in the SCAC?  ;D
Don't tell the AC administration!  They will change admission criteria.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2018, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: Cedricb313 on October 21, 2018, 07:09:56 PM
Centre College Colonels (6-1, 4-1) received 26 votes, ^11 after defeating Rhodes College Lynx, 41-14. What are the chances that both, Berry and Centre make the playoffs?

Just remember that the D3football poll has exactly zero impact on the granting of Pool C bids.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 22, 2018, 05:38:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2018, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: Cedricb313 on October 21, 2018, 07:09:56 PM
Centre College Colonels (6-1, 4-1) received 26 votes, ^11 after defeating Rhodes College Lynx, 41-14. What are the chances that both, Berry and Centre make the playoffs?

Just remember that the D3football poll has exactly zero impact on the granting of Pool C bids.

The FAQ over on the main d3fb site has a good summary of how the playoff selection works for Pool B and Pool C:
http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs (http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs)

Given past history of playoff selection and the history of the SAA in the playoffs,  I'd be pulling for either Southwestern,  Belhaven, or McMurry to pull off an upset on HSU.   Better odds of that happening than winning the MegaMillons but not a bet I'd put any money on.


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on October 23, 2018, 02:36:09 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2018, 02:05:24 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 22, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2018, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on October 22, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
A tough win for Berry on Saturday. I thought the offense looked a little lost against a very good Millsaps D. Credit to #23 for running hard all day and getting a lot of YAC yards. Berry's D stepped up and made play after play. None more important than having the sense to pick up the ball and run with it after the lateral. I'm not surprised it was a tough game. In the 6 years I've watch Millsaps / Berry games, its always a battle no matter the records coming in. Big game this Saturday to clinch. Birmingham Southern won't be easy. Thankfully it is at home in Valhalla and not in Birmingham.

After seeing Millsaps in action, it is hard to understand how they lost to Austin.  Millsaps' reputation as the best defense in SAA is certainly true.  They limited Berry to 6 points in regulation.  I think Berry's offense has gotten a little predictable with their formations, run vs pass.  Later in the game the best runs were when the offense was in 4 WR looks, it is good to know Berry can run from those formations if needed.

I was very disappointed in the penalties for Berry: 8-112. They have not had those troubles this season.  Before this last game they averaged 5-51. It really was a significant difference.

Maybe the 61-0 loss was the aberration!  ;)  Other than the Berry score AC is losing by an average of 12 points and beat "the best defense in the SAA".  Maybe Austin College is not that far from being competitive in the SCAC?  ;D
Don't tell the AC administration!  They will change admission criteria.


Interesting that you should say that Ralph.  I totally agree that the past presidents were no friends of athletics.  I have hesitated to say anything about this before but I really believe a positive change is in the works.  The new president, Phillip O'Day was only on the campus for eight months when a $27 million master plan for improving the athletic facilities was finished and is now about to be publicly announced.  This plan would affect all sports including (1) lighting, new turf and a new track for the football/lacrosse field with additional improvements in the dressing rooms, (2) new tennis court surfaces and improvement, (3) complete renovation of the natatorium and updated dressing areas, (4) turf infield for baseball, (5) turf infield for softball, (6) turf for separate soccer stadium, and (7) turf for football/lacrosse practice fields.  Lacrosse is a sport he is very interested in starting.


President O'Day was a girls soccer coach for Franklin & Marshall from 1997 to 2007. His wife was a collegiate swim coach. He appears to really "get it" as far as the benefits of athletics for a college.  In our conversations he seems truly committed to raising the profile of AC athletics and gets that this would be an overall boon to the college and its enrollment numbers.  Now I fully realize that $27 million is a lofty goal and will not be raised overnight but I am definitely encouraged by the fact that improving athletic facilities appeared to be his first order of business.  I really believe that under his guidance we finally have a true friend at the top.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2018, 08:37:17 AM
roocru, that is a big change.  And, I think that it will boost AC's status in the SCAC to the top 1/3rd with respect to facilities.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 23, 2018, 10:12:30 AM
Quote from: roocru on October 22, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2018, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on October 22, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
A tough win for Berry on Saturday. I thought the offense looked a little lost against a very good Millsaps D. Credit to #23 for running hard all day and getting a lot of YAC yards. Berry's D stepped up and made play after play. None more important than having the sense to pick up the ball and run with it after the lateral. I'm not surprised it was a tough game. In the 6 years I've watch Millsaps / Berry games, its always a battle no matter the records coming in. Big game this Saturday to clinch. Birmingham Southern won't be easy. Thankfully it is at home in Valhalla and not in Birmingham.

After seeing Millsaps in action, it is hard to understand how they lost to Austin.  Millsaps' reputation as the best defense in SAA is certainly true.  They limited Berry to 6 points in regulation.  I think Berry's offense has gotten a little predictable with their formations, run vs pass.  Later in the game the best runs were when the offense was in 4 WR looks, it is good to know Berry can run from those formations if needed.

I was very disappointed in the penalties for Berry: 8-112. They have not had those troubles this season.  Before this last game they averaged 5-51. It really was a significant difference.

Maybe the 61-0 loss was the aberration!  ;)  Other than the Berry score AC is losing by an average of 12 points and beat "the best defense in the SAA".  Maybe Austin College is not that far from being competitive in the SCAC?  ;D

It definitely could be, we all know statistics can be good indicators of a teams strengths, but they often miss predicting outcomes on the scoreboards.  I know going into the Austin game the players were not at all expecting the outcome that really happened.  They expected a much tighter game and were surprised.  Sometimes the coaches get the gameplan exactly right and the execution just goes without any issues.  At other times neither is working.  Finding the balance and knowing what to change when things aren't working during the middle of a game is where the strategy of football shines.

oh, and did you mean SAA?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on October 23, 2018, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 23, 2018, 10:12:30 AM
Quote from: roocru on October 22, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2018, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on October 22, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
A tough win for Berry on Saturday. I thought the offense looked a little lost against a very good Millsaps D. Credit to #23 for running hard all day and getting a lot of YAC yards. Berry's D stepped up and made play after play. None more important than having the sense to pick up the ball and run with it after the lateral. I'm not surprised it was a tough game. In the 6 years I've watch Millsaps / Berry games, its always a battle no matter the records coming in. Big game this Saturday to clinch. Birmingham Southern won't be easy. Thankfully it is at home in Valhalla and not in Birmingham.

After seeing Millsaps in action, it is hard to understand how they lost to Austin.  Millsaps' reputation as the best defense in SAA is certainly true.  They limited Berry to 6 points in regulation.  I think Berry's offense has gotten a little predictable with their formations, run vs pass.  Later in the game the best runs were when the offense was in 4 WR looks, it is good to know Berry can run from those formations if needed.

I was very disappointed in the penalties for Berry: 8-112. They have not had those troubles this season.  Before this last game they averaged 5-51. It really was a significant difference.

Maybe the 61-0 loss was the aberration!  ;)  Other than the Berry score AC is losing by an average of 12 points and beat "the best defense in the SAA".  Maybe Austin College is not that far from being competitive in the SAA?  ;D

It definitely could be, we all know statistics can be good indicators of a teams strengths, but they often miss predicting outcomes on the scoreboards.  I know going into the Austin game the players were not at all expecting the outcome that really happened.  They expected a much tighter game and were surprised.  Sometimes the coaches get the gameplan exactly right and the execution just goes without any issues.  At other times neither is working.  Finding the balance and knowing what to change when things aren't working during the middle of a game is where the strategy of football shines.

oh, and did you mean SAA?

+k for catching my typo.  Change has been made.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 23, 2018, 09:52:08 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on October 24, 2018, 09:09:05 AM
Quote from: roocru on October 22, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2018, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on October 22, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
A tough win for Berry on Saturday. I thought the offense looked a little lost against a very good Millsaps D. Credit to #23 for running hard all day and getting a lot of YAC yards. Berry's D stepped up and made play after play. None more important than having the sense to pick up the ball and run with it after the lateral. I'm not surprised it was a tough game. In the 6 years I've watch Millsaps / Berry games, its always a battle no matter the records coming in. Big game this Saturday to clinch. Birmingham Southern won't be easy. Thankfully it is at home in Valhalla and not in Birmingham.

After seeing Millsaps in action, it is hard to understand how they lost to Austin.  Millsaps' reputation as the best defense in SAA is certainly true.  They limited Berry to 6 points in regulation.  I think Berry's offense has gotten a little predictable with their formations, run vs pass.  Later in the game the best runs were when the offense was in 4 WR looks, it is good to know Berry can run from those formations if needed.

I was very disappointed in the penalties for Berry: 8-112. They have not had those troubles this season.  Before this last game they averaged 5-51. It really was a significant difference.

Maybe the 61-0 loss was the aberration!  ;)  Other than the Berry score AC is losing by an average of 12 points and beat "the best defense in the SAA".  Maybe Austin College is not that far from being competitive in the SCAC?  ;D

Millsaps D bracketed #12 almost all day with a corner and safety. No one has been able to do that in years past because Berry has always had another WR and a Slot that had to be accounted for.  Berry has some good young WR, they just need to use them more. It seemed earlier in the year, they were spreading the ball around more. Maybe your assessment of the O and predictability of formations is correct. Going to the 4 WR sets opens the middle of the field up because LBs have to play outside the box and respect the slot receivers which gave #23 room to run once he got to the 2nd level. The penalties were an issue as well. Hopefully they can correct that before this Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 25, 2018, 02:00:07 PM
In previous games, I have noticed the later WR options open just as much as past years, but they aren't getting to them because #1 and #2 are open too.  Millsaps not only kept #1 WR bracketed, but they covered the check downs as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 26, 2018, 08:32:40 PM

Berry College fans

You get very few posters on this board so I'll just say Good Luck tomorrow. Go Vikings!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 27, 2018, 09:22:42 PM
Berry wins again.  BSC played a good game early keeping Berry out of the endzone until a blocked kick gave Berry good momentum and a short field. 

Clinched at least a share of the SAA title and the Pool A bid!

Congratulations to the coaches and players, 3peat!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 27, 2018, 11:12:00 PM
Centre (7-1,5-1) downs Millsaps (4-4,2-4); 49-13. Congratulations Centre WR #21 Jaylen Hibbs on setting school record of 221 yds receiving. Centre and Berry two of the best teams in the South. #SAA
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 28, 2018, 12:17:09 AM
Checking in here from Washington, DC. Apologize for being so absent on the boards this fall -- been an incredibly busy work season.

As for my friends down at Hendrix, I am really proud of them for fighting in each and every game despite the hand they have been dealt. What started as a season with 10-0 expectations has clearly not come to pass. Losing your best players on both sides of the ball for the season is devastating, especially with only 5 or 6 seniors on the team. Lot of growing and bonding taking place -- kind of like my first year when we started the program! ha.

They will keep scrapping and I hope that Berry will represent the league well in the playoffs. I am ever the SAA optimist...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 28, 2018, 10:30:38 AM

Berry fans

A big congrats on winning the SAA title and getting the AQ into the playoffs. You seem to be making a habit of this. You must have had some fun last year and decided to do it again. I wish you the best in the playoffs. Go Vikings!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on October 28, 2018, 12:21:19 PM
Congrats to the Berry Vikings on a 3rd consecutive SAA conference championship. I'm not sure anyone could have predicted 3 titles in the first 6 years of existence. A testament to all of the coaches and players past and present.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on October 28, 2018, 09:58:53 PM
Berry moves to #11 in the D3 top 25 poll. It will be interesting to see where everything shakes out over the next 2 weeks. Berry needs to win at Trinity Nov. 10th to go 10-0. Not sure if they will be able to crack the top 10, but at 10-0, that should assure a 1st round playoff game. The second round home game would be awesome if they get to it, but not sure how things will fall and of course you have to win in round 2. Lose to Trinity and the 1st round home game could be in jeopardy.....A rematch with Maryville could be in the cards as a 1st round game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 29, 2018, 07:50:04 AM
9-0 is sweet.  Much better performance this week than against Millsaps.  Saturday was a fun day in Rome. 

Congrats to Maryville for turning their season around.

Congrats to Centre on an impressive season.  Would be great to get 2 SAA teams in the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 29, 2018, 08:27:59 AM
I would think the committee would try to avoid re-matches, but I guess the travel concerns would be a bigger factor.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 29, 2018, 09:03:39 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 29, 2018, 08:27:59 AM
I would think the committee would try to avoid re-matches, but I guess the travel concerns would be a bigger factor.

I think you are right ....
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 29, 2018, 09:05:52 AM
Yes. We see this every year. They do try to avoid rematches, but for island teams it is what it is.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2018, 09:08:15 AM
Travel ($) is always the #1 factor in D3 playoffs.   That's why you see things like a first-round match-up of two top-ten teams in Texas or on the West Coast (in all kinds of sports, not just football) when other opponents are 500+ miles away.   If they can make it work without flying a team, you get a fair first-round match-up.   

That said, with a win at Trinity a 10-0 Berry certainly should get the first-round home game it deserves, and a very good shot at the conference's (and school's) second NCAA playoff win - with potential for more. 

Centre ... going to be tough and they need some help.   In their favor:  "good" loss to Berry, high SOS (which will come down as they play sub-.500 Sewanee and .500-ish (depending on this weekend's result vs. Millsaps) B-SC).   Working against them:  no wins against regionally ranked teams.   This week's initial Regional Rankings should give us insight into where Centre is on the table regionally and what other Pool C candidates they will be competing against. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on October 29, 2018, 09:38:10 AM
I understand the travel / $$ criteria in the 1st round, but I also hate it. Has nothing to do with who I think Berry will play either. I don't want to see top ten teams play each other in the 1st round. IF it is a true bracket system of 32 teams, 1 should play 32, 2 should play 31 and so on. It will probably never be that way because of $$.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2018, 10:24:53 AM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on October 29, 2018, 09:38:10 AM
I understand the travel / $$ criteria in the 1st round, but I also hate it. Has nothing to do with who I think Berry will play either. I don't want to see top ten teams play each other in the 1st round. IF it is a true bracket system of 32 teams, 1 should play 32, 2 should play 31 and so on. It will probably never be that way because of $$.

I'd highly recommend the podcast we did last week with the national committee chair for more explanation of how it works.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2018/10/25/around-the-nation-podcast-216-committee-chair-explains-it-all/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2018, 10:28:20 AM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on October 29, 2018, 09:38:10 AM
I understand the travel / $$ criteria in the 1st round, but I also hate it. Has nothing to do with who I think Berry will play either. I don't want to see top ten teams play each other in the 1st round. IF it is a true bracket system of 32 teams, 1 should play 32, 2 should play 31 and so on. It will probably never be that way because of $$.

Be thankful you're not impacted by it more; I can't tell you how many times a team has had to travel someplace to save the NCAA money.  It's sad when you're the top seed in a four-team bracket but have to play hundreds of miles away, or more  At least in football you almost always get the home game if you're the higher seed; the only way you don't is if you forget to file to host or don't have adequate facilities, the latter being exceedingly rare these days.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on October 29, 2018, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2018, 10:24:53 AM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on October 29, 2018, 09:38:10 AM
I understand the travel / $$ criteria in the 1st round, but I also hate it. Has nothing to do with who I think Berry will play either. I don't want to see top ten teams play each other in the 1st round. IF it is a true bracket system of 32 teams, 1 should play 32, 2 should play 31 and so on. It will probably never be that way because of $$.

I'd highly recommend the podcast we did last week with the national committee chair for more explanation of how it works.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2018/10/25/around-the-nation-podcast-216-committee-chair-explains-it-all/

Pat, podcast was great and the info was great. Loved the Wu Tang Clan information as well....lol. I understand the 500 mile radius and can appreciate the committee trying to put together some different match-ups when selecting seeds. I get it. If $$ was no object, you could fly teams wherever you wanted.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 30, 2018, 01:52:05 PM
If Maryville wins, it is highly likely Berry will see them again in the 1st round.  I don't know all the other possible candidates, but maybe Franklin or Randolph-Macon are close enough if they win,  but those are still pretty long trips.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 30, 2018, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 30, 2018, 01:52:05 PM
If Maryville wins, it is highly likely Berry will see them again in the 1st round.  I don't know all the other possible candidates, but maybe Franklin or Randolph-Macon are close enough if they win,  but those are still pretty long trips.

You can use the NCAA TES Mileage Calculator to check. https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

Berry is 611 miles from RMC, 463 from Franklin. So Franklin will work for Berry. RMC and Maryville are possibilities for each other but RMC is not a bus trip from Berry.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerFanAlso2 on October 30, 2018, 02:12:23 PM
BerryCollegeFan

Waste no time, at least right now trying to figure a first round game. Way too much football to be played and lots can happen to change things around.
In 2013 HSC won the ODAC, had 8-2 record. Everyone was thinking we were on our way to UMU for first round. Many upsets last week of season, HSC ended up hosting first round vs. Maryville and flew to Linfield for second round. My memory is like 11 8-1 teams got beat last week of regular season and that just completed changed everything.

Good luck to you guys going forward. Hope things fall your way, finish 10-0, host 1st round and fingers crossed for second round opponent/venue.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 30, 2018, 03:04:47 PM

Berry College fans

Where are all your posters? Here I am, a wanderer from Mount Union, down here to cheer you on and wish you the best. Seems like you have a pretty good program going down there in Georgia. And, as we know, success is a great recruiting tool. Keep it going. Not all of the best teams are in the upper Midwest. Berry College? Oh yeah, I've heard of them. They're pretty good. Go Vikings!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 31, 2018, 09:34:51 AM
Quote from: tigerFanAlso2 on October 30, 2018, 02:12:23 PM
BerryCollegeFan

Waste no time, at least right now trying to figure a first round game. Way too much football to be played and lots can happen to change things around.
In 2013 HSC won the ODAC, had 8-2 record. Everyone was thinking we were on our way to UMU for first round. Many upsets last week of season, HSC ended up hosting first round vs. Maryville and flew to Linfield for second round. My memory is like 11 8-1 teams got beat last week of regular season and that just completed changed everything.

Good luck to you guys going forward. Hope things fall your way, finish 10-0, host 1st round and fingers crossed for second round opponent/venue.

Being an off week for Berry, the conversation is more passing time than anything.  I understand the goals of the NCAA when they set-up the playoffs.  I also know that if more fans attended the playoff games regularly each year, the NCAA would have more flexibility in their travel constraints.  Fans can make a difference.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 31, 2018, 09:37:15 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 31, 2018, 09:34:51 AM
Quote from: tigerFanAlso2 on October 30, 2018, 02:12:23 PM
BerryCollegeFan

Waste no time, at least right now trying to figure a first round game. Way too much football to be played and lots can happen to change things around.
In 2013 HSC won the ODAC, had 8-2 record. Everyone was thinking we were on our way to UMU for first round. Many upsets last week of season, HSC ended up hosting first round vs. Maryville and flew to Linfield for second round. My memory is like 11 8-1 teams got beat last week of regular season and that just completed changed everything.

Good luck to you guys going forward. Hope things fall your way, finish 10-0, host 1st round and fingers crossed for second round opponent/venue.

Being an off week for Berry, the conversation is more passing time than anything.  I understand the goals of the NCAA when they set-up the playoffs.  I also know that if more fans attended the playoff games regularly each year, the NCAA would have more flexibility in their travel constraints.  Fans can make a difference.

When the first two rounds are the weekend before and the weekend after Thanksgiving, traditional off times for colleges, there just isn't much to be done about that for colleges that draw from more than a local area.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerFanAlso2 on October 31, 2018, 09:39:04 AM
you are right, but when second round is played during Thanksgiving break with no students on campus, getting a large attendance is hard regardless of venue.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2018, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 31, 2018, 09:34:51 AM
Quote from: tigerFanAlso2 on October 30, 2018, 02:12:23 PM
BerryCollegeFan

Waste no time, at least right now trying to figure a first round game. Way too much football to be played and lots can happen to change things around.
In 2013 HSC won the ODAC, had 8-2 record. Everyone was thinking we were on our way to UMU for first round. Many upsets last week of season, HSC ended up hosting first round vs. Maryville and flew to Linfield for second round. My memory is like 11 8-1 teams got beat last week of regular season and that just completed changed everything.

Good luck to you guys going forward. Hope things fall your way, finish 10-0, host 1st round and fingers crossed for second round opponent/venue.

Being an off week for Berry, the conversation is more passing time than anything.  I understand the goals of the NCAA when they set-up the playoffs.  I also know that if more fans attended the playoff games regularly each year, the NCAA would have more flexibility in their travel constraints.  Fans can make a difference.

I applaud any attempt to get more fans to games. However, higher attendance is not a factor in seeding or awarding home games in the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:46:40 PM
Regional rankings are out:  http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/first-regional-ranking

Regional Rankings:
East Region   SOS   Notes
1 Brockport 8-0
2 Frostburg State 7-0
3 RPI 7-0
4 Delaware Valley 7-1
5 Cortland 7-1
6 Salisbury 8-0
7 Western Connecticut 7-0 +
8 Merchant Marine 6-1
9 Ithaca 6-2
10 Western New England 7-1
       
North Region   SOS    Notes
1 Mount Union 8-0
2 Illinois Wesleyan 7-1
3 John Carroll 7-1
4 Trine 8-0
5 North Central (Ill.) 7-1
6 Baldwin Wallace 7-1
7 Wabash 7-1
8 Wittenberg 7-1
9 Franklin 7-1
10 Eureka 8-0   
     
South Region   SOS   Notes
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0
2 Berry 9-0
3 Johns Hopkins 7-1
4 Centre 7-1
5 Hardin-Simmons 7-1
6 Muhlenberg 7-1
7 Randolph-Macon 7-1
8 Washington and Jefferson 7-1
9 Case Western Reserve 7-1
10 Thomas More 6-2     
   
West Region   SOS   Notes
1 UW-Whitewater 7-0
2 St. John's  8-0
3 Whitworth 7-0
4 Bethel  7-1
5 Linfield 5-1 -
6 St. Thomas  6-1
7 Monmouth  7-1
8 UW-Oshkosh 4-2 +-
9 Simpson 6-2
10 UW-La Crosse 5-2 -
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Curious how folks think Berry would match up with UMHB.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on October 31, 2018, 02:17:01 PM
Quote from: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Curious how folks think Berry would match up with UMHB.  Any thoughts?

St Thomas beat Berry 29-13 last year, and then lost to UMHB 24-10 so I guess you could extrapolate something from that. Although the transitive property has its limits and this year's teams are not the same as last year's.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 31, 2018, 02:26:44 PM
Quote from: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Curious how folks think Berry would match up with UMHB.  Any thoughts?

We are good and getting better.  But is only year six. I prefer to avoid UMHB for a few more years.....
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 31, 2018, 02:39:48 PM
My thoughts, from having watched a lot of DIII football over the years, is that Berry is not in that rarefied air that can compete with UMHB. No shame in that, there aren't more than 2 or 3 teams in DIII that probably can. So if I was setting the line, I'd say Berry +21.5 ...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HSUCowboy2015 on October 31, 2018, 02:58:02 PM
Quote from: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Curious how folks think Berry would match up with UMHB.  Any thoughts?

I posted this in the ASC board, but thought you'd see it easier here..

I don't know much about Berry, but what to expect with UMHB is a very talented group. The defense is salty, defensive line is strong and controls the line of scrimmage. A weakness would be their LB group, but I say weakness hesitantly because it is still a strong group. The DB's are also a strength, tall, lanky, and fast. It is very hard to let alone move the ball on them much less putting points on the board. Offensively, very different than years past as they are a dual threat. You can't just stack up the box and stop Miller. If you do that they have receivers that are quick and get open consistently. As we've all been reading, they have a QB "controversy", but any of their guys can perform at a high level. If you don't have much familiarity with them, I don't see any team having a shot to beat them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associationjjk
Post by: MUC57 on October 31, 2018, 04:01:22 PM

HSUAlum255

Even Mount Union?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2018, 04:01:42 PM
UMHB is consistently one of the top 2-4 teams in the country.   The talent level they have for D3 is obscene.   Berry is a very good Division III football team but not at that level.  One way to compare:  Berry had to go to OT to beat Centre (a good team with a good chance for a Pool C bid) and Millsaps (a decent but not outstanding team).   Compare that to what UMHB did in a deeper conference to their Top 10 Pool C-possible opponent, Hardin-Simmons (26-0) and third-place team, TLU (47-14).

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associationjjk
Post by: HSUCowboy2015 on October 31, 2018, 04:13:12 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 31, 2018, 04:01:22 PM

HSUAlum255

Even Mount Union?

I put Mount in the category with having familiarity with UMHB. I mean y'all have faced them a numerous number of times now. The players may changes, but schemes hardly do at UMHB. That goes as a compliment to them, because they are so dominate, yes even to my Cowboys. UMHB and Mount are my picks to go to the Stagg this year, I have Mount winning it again, but not by double digits.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 31, 2018, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2018, 04:01:42 PM
UMHB is consistently one of the top 2-4 teams in the country.   The talent level they have for D3 is obscene.   Berry is a very good Division III football team but not at that level.  One way to compare:  Berry had to go to OT to beat Centre (a good team with a good chance for a Pool C bid) and Millsaps (a decent but not outstanding team).   Compare that to what UMHB did in a deeper conference to their Top 10 Pool C-possible opponent, Hardin-Simmons (26-0) and third-place team, TLU (47-14).

In 2010, we alums thought Thomas More ready to "break through" having lost on a last second 50 yard FG to JHU in Round 2 in 2009 -  and having been to the playoffs in both 2008 and 2009. 

So the 2010 TMU team went undefeated through the first 11 games including a 49-14 blowout of ODAC Champion, Washington and Lee.

Then came a second round game AT Mary-Hardin Baylor, before they built the altar de los D3Football.   UMHB fumbled on their first offensive play of the game but still found a way to lead 38-0 at halftime on their way to a 69-7 monkeystomping. 

Their level of athlete was and is pretty incredible.  It forced Thomas More to recruit better... and the program got much better... but still nowhere close to a breakthrough against a UMHB, Mount Union, Whitewater, Saint Johns/St Thomas, Linfield. 

You beat one of those schools and you've officially arrived.  UMHB has earned their lofty #1 or #2 ranking (they are interchangeable with Mount Union, QB issues notwithstanding). 

I remember saying to Pat during the 2016 Stagg Bowl that UMHB seems like they have 13 players on the field on defense.  Speed kills.  Yeah.. they won't wish they had different LBs, unless they play Mount Union.. (MAYBE).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 01, 2018, 08:33:45 AM
Quote from: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:46:40 PM
Regional rankings are out:  http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/first-regional-ranking

Regional Rankings:
     
South Region   SOS   Notes
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0
2 Berry 9-0
3 Johns Hopkins 7-1
4 Centre 7-1
5 Hardin-Simmons 7-1
6 Muhlenberg 7-1
7 Randolph-Macon 7-1
8 Washington and Jefferson 7-1
9 Case Western Reserve 7-1
10 Thomas More 6-2     
   

There is much respect for SAA in these rankings.  Centre being at 4 is a few points higher than I thought they might be.  I guess if Berry can maintain the #2 rank they would have a good possibility of a 2nd round host?  Just keep winning.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 01, 2018, 01:30:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2018, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 31, 2018, 09:34:51 AM
Quote from: tigerFanAlso2 on October 30, 2018, 02:12:23 PM
BerryCollegeFan

Waste no time, at least right now trying to figure a first round game. Way too much football to be played and lots can happen to change things around.
In 2013 HSC won the ODAC, had 8-2 record. Everyone was thinking we were on our way to UMU for first round. Many upsets last week of season, HSC ended up hosting first round vs. Maryville and flew to Linfield for second round. My memory is like 11 8-1 teams got beat last week of regular season and that just completed changed everything.

Good luck to you guys going forward. Hope things fall your way, finish 10-0, host 1st round and fingers crossed for second round opponent/venue.

Being an off week for Berry, the conversation is more passing time than anything.  I understand the goals of the NCAA when they set-up the playoffs.  I also know that if more fans attended the playoff games regularly each year, the NCAA would have more flexibility in their travel constraints.  Fans can make a difference.

I applaud any attempt to get more fans to games. However, higher attendance is not a factor in seeding or awarding home games in the playoffs.

I was thinking of higher playoff gate revenues = more money to travel teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 01, 2018, 01:35:03 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 31, 2018, 02:26:44 PM
Quote from: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Curious how folks think Berry would match up with UMHB.  Any thoughts?

We are good and getting better.  But is only year six. I prefer to avoid UMHB for a few more years.....

It is always tough playing the top tier, but you've got to do it sometime.  Like last season, I think everyone got a great idea of where the program is and what areas need to improve to keep moving up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 01, 2018, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 30, 2018, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 30, 2018, 01:52:05 PM
If Maryville wins, it is highly likely Berry will see them again in the 1st round.  I don't know all the other possible candidates, but maybe Franklin or Randolph-Macon are close enough if they win,  but those are still pretty long trips.

You can use the NCAA TES Mileage Calculator to check. https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

Berry is 611 miles from RMC, 463 from Franklin. So Franklin will work for Berry. RMC and Maryville are possibilities for each other but RMC is not a bus trip from Berry.

Looks like Maryville might have clinched today
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on November 05, 2018, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Curious how folks think Berry would match up with UMHB.  Any thoughts?

After watching Berry play St. Thomas last year in person and having a conversation with my son who played in the game, Berry is not on the same level with STU or UMHB at this point. Can they get there? I think they can but I'm not sure how soon that will / could be. Its amazing where they are now after only 6 years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 05, 2018, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on November 05, 2018, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Curious how folks think Berry would match up with UMHB.  Any thoughts?

After watching Berry play St. Thomas last year in person and having a conversation with my son who played in the game, Berry is not on the same level with STU or UMHB at this point. Can they get there? I think they can but I'm not sure how soon that will / could be. Its amazing where they are now after only 6 years.
u

Mount Union started playing football in 1893. They won their first conference championship in 1985. That was also their first playoff year. Their first national championship came in 1993, 100 years after their first game. Sometimes it takes awhile. By comparison, you are doing quite well. Keep it up. And Go Vikings!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 05, 2018, 12:08:21 PM
Just an FYI and FWIW: UMHB played in the Stagg Bowl against Linfield in the seventh year of the program.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 05, 2018, 12:12:55 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on November 05, 2018, 12:08:21 PM
Just an FYI and FWIW: UMHB played in the Stagg Bowl against Linfield in the seventh year of the program.

Now that's impressive, faster than Mount. Probably faster than anybody. Good stuff!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2018, 12:48:14 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on November 05, 2018, 12:12:55 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on November 05, 2018, 12:08:21 PM
Just an FYI and FWIW: UMHB played in the Stagg Bowl against Linfield in the seventh year of the program.

Now that's impressive, faster than Mount. Probably faster than anybody. Good stuff!

This is the faster-than-anybody record.

http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/1982
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 05, 2018, 01:09:26 PM

Thanks Pat. You're always on top of these discussions. So, UMHB, what took you so long? West Georgia certainly beat everybody as far as quickest to a national championship. Sorry I brought up Mount's history. It took us a long time, but, I think, we made up for it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2018, 12:48:14 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on November 05, 2018, 12:12:55 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on November 05, 2018, 12:08:21 PM
Just an FYI and FWIW: UMHB played in the Stagg Bowl against Linfield in the seventh year of the program.

Now that's impressive, faster than Mount. Probably faster than anybody. Good stuff!

This is the faster-than-anybody record.

http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/1982
Interesting to see Bishop College, the HBUC that was in South Dallas.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2018, 01:26:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2018, 12:48:14 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on November 05, 2018, 12:12:55 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on November 05, 2018, 12:08:21 PM
Just an FYI and FWIW: UMHB played in the Stagg Bowl against Linfield in the seventh year of the program.

Now that's impressive, faster than Mount. Probably faster than anybody. Good stuff!

This is the faster-than-anybody record.

http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/1982

And joined the Division II Gulf South Conference the following season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 06, 2018, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on November 05, 2018, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Curious how folks think Berry would match up with UMHB.  Any thoughts?

After watching Berry play St. Thomas last year in person and having a conversation with my son who played in the game, Berry is not on the same level with STU or UMHB at this point. Can they get there? I think they can but I'm not sure how soon that will / could be. Its amazing where they are now after only 6 years.
if they make the same progress over the next six years, they should be right in the mix.  The issue is attracting the players with all the higher division schools around.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on November 06, 2018, 07:39:31 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 06, 2018, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on November 05, 2018, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: cover2 on October 31, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Curious how folks think Berry would match up with UMHB.  Any thoughts?

After watching Berry play St. Thomas last year in person and having a conversation with my son who played in the game, Berry is not on the same level with STU or UMHB at this point. Can they get there? I think they can but I'm not sure how soon that will / could be. Its amazing where they are now after only 6 years.
if they make the same progress over the next six years, they should be right in the mix.  The issue is attracting the players with all the higher division schools around.
I've heard it said that the climb from 250 to 10 (or so, I'm spitballing here) is about equal to the climb from 10 to 1. My wife and I had dinner and drinks with a couple (and their children) who graduated from Berry last week. That coupled with playing y'all last year and I'm cheering for you to keep improving
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on November 07, 2018, 04:12:46 PM
Second NCAA Regional Ranking for 2018 keeps #2 Berry and #4 Centre at same position. #SAA

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
Quote from: Cedricb313 on November 07, 2018, 04:12:46 PM
Second NCAA Regional Ranking for 2018 keeps #2 Berry and #4 Centre at same position. #SAA


Here you go. There's far more info here in terms of data, analysis and discussion:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/second-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 08, 2018, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 31, 2018, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2018, 04:01:42 PM
UMHB is consistently one of the top 2-4 teams in the country.   The talent level they have for D3 is obscene.   Berry is a very good Division III football team but not at that level.  One way to compare:  Berry had to go to OT to beat Centre (a good team with a good chance for a Pool C bid) and Millsaps (a decent but not outstanding team).   Compare that to what UMHB did in a deeper conference to their Top 10 Pool C-possible opponent, Hardin-Simmons (26-0) and third-place team, TLU (47-14).

In 2010, we alums thought Thomas More ready to "break through" having lost on a last second 50 yard FG to JHU in Round 2 in 2009 -  and having been to the playoffs in both 2008 and 2009. 

So the 2010 TMU team went undefeated through the first 11 games including a 49-14 blowout of ODAC Champion, Washington and Lee.

Then came a second round game AT Mary-Hardin Baylor, before they built the altar de los D3Football.   UMHB fumbled on their first offensive play of the game but still found a way to lead 38-0 at halftime on their way to a 69-7 monkeystomping. 

Their level of athlete was and is pretty incredible.  It forced Thomas More to recruit better... and the program got much better... but still nowhere close to a breakthrough against a UMHB, Mount Union, Whitewater, Saint Johns/St Thomas, Linfield. 

You beat one of those schools and you've officially arrived.  UMHB has earned their lofty #1 or #2 ranking (they are interchangeable with Mount Union, QB issues notwithstanding). 

I remember saying to Pat during the 2016 Stagg Bowl that UMHB seems like they have 13 players on the field on defense.  Speed kills.  Yeah.. they won't wish they had different LBs, unless they play Mount Union.. (MAYBE).

I'm not sure where all of this discussion comes about UMHB not having good LB's. I will admit, I was nervous losing the top returning tackler from last year, but the guys have stepped up to play very well. Nobody stands out, like a Jerell, Javicz, Preston Meyer, and so forth, but they are collectively very good and balanced.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on November 08, 2018, 03:33:50 PM
I am going to the Austin College Homecoming this weekend in Sherman, Texas and am looking forward to the reunion of my 1968 football team.  About twenty teammates are expected to show up and renew old acquaintances.  This was really a special team.  I an copying the brief announcement which will be read as we are introduced prior to the coin flip.

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Austin College is proud to recognize today the 50th reunion of the 1968 Nationally ranked football team.  This team played as independents as there were no conferences available at that time.  They finished with an outstanding 8-1 record playing teams in Nebraska, Missouri, Tennessee, Colorado, Arkansas and Texas. Along with the team are assistant coach Duane Nutt and Ric Gass, son of the late Head Coach Floyd Gass. Coach Gass once said after leaving to be the Head Coach at Oklahoma State that eleven players of this 1968 team could have started for him at OSU.  This 1968 team finished the season ranked #6 in the nation and were in the running to play in two bowl gamed but barely missed selection in both.  Three members of the team received NAIA All -American recognition and fifteen members are currently in the Roo Hall of Honor.  They were also the first integrated team in AC history.

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It's Great To Be A Roo!!!!! 🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2018, 04:37:00 PM
roocru, was that in the NCAA College Division (where the #6 ranking was given?)

Whom did you play?

Were there athletic scholarships?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2018, 04:52:00 PM
Presumably it was the NAIA, like the All-America recognition cited.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 08, 2018, 09:22:07 PM
That is a great team.  Awesome history there.  I hope the day goes well, special memories.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on November 09, 2018, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2018, 04:37:00 PM
roocru, was that in the NCAA College Division (where the #6 ranking was given?)

Whom did you play?

Were there athletic scholarships?

No scholarships for us.  As I remember we played a mixture of NAIA and NCAA schools. Teams we played included (not in order) were Nebraska Wesleyan, William Jewell in Missouri, Southwestern (currently Rhodes) and Sewanee in Tennessee, Colorado College, Ouachita Baptist and Henderson State in Arkansas, Texas Lutheran and one other I cannot remember.  I believe Nebraska Wesleyan, the two Arkansas schools and Texas Lutheran were scholarship schools for sure.  I cannot remember the status of the others.  The one game we lost was to Ouachita Baptist and they had a guy playing in their secondary by the name of Cliff Harris who later starred for the Dallas Cowboys.


It will definitely be great to be together again as a team.  We are expecting around twenty to show.  Unfortunately at least fourteen of our teammates have passed away.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 09, 2018, 09:08:23 AM
Great memories, roocru.   Enjoy your day tomorrow!

San Antonio can't catch a break with the rain - it's been raining a good part of the morning again today.   Forecast for tomorrow is actual fall weather with temps around 50 at game time and not really going anywhere after that. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2018, 09:19:12 AM
Quote from: roocru on November 09, 2018, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2018, 04:37:00 PM
roocru, was that in the NCAA College Division (where the #6 ranking was given?)

Whom did you play?

Were there athletic scholarships?

No scholarships for us.  As I remember we played a mixture of NAIA and NCAA schools. Teams we played included (not in order) were Nebraska Wesleyan, William Jewell in Missouri, Southwestern (currently Rhodes) and Sewanee in Tennessee, Colorado College, Ouachita Baptist and Henderson State in Arkansas, Texas Lutheran and one other I cannot remember.  I believe Nebraska Wesleyan, the two Arkansas schools and Texas Lutheran were scholarship schools for sure.  I cannot remember the status of the others.  The one game we lost was to Ouachita Baptist and they had a guy playing in their secondary by the name of Cliff Harris who later starred for the Dallas Cowboys.


It will definitely be great to be together again as a team.  We are expecting around twenty to show.  Unfortunately at least fourteen of our teammates have passed away.
Interesting schedule. McMurry was in the Lone Star Conference at that time. I know by the early 1970's the LSC was NAIA Division 1. Texas Lutheran won their national championship in NAIA Division II in 1975 with Coach Jim Wacker.
They were playing Howard Payne and Sul Ross State, plus East Texas State U (Texas A&M Commerce), South(W)est Texas State U (Texas State U), Stephen F  Austin State U, Sam Houston State U, Tarleton State U and Texas A&I (Texas A&M Kingsville).

Have fun!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 09, 2018, 03:00:09 PM
Well no love at all in ye ole Quick Hits predictions, which might be a bit harsh when you compare records, but whatever.  Hoping for  a big Vikings win as I want a home playoff game and want to help get Centre in.  Go Berry!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on November 09, 2018, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 09, 2018, 03:00:09 PM
Well no love at all in ye ole Quick Hits predictions, which might be a bit harsh when you compare records, but whatever.  Hoping for  a big Vikings win as I want a home playoff game and want to help get Centre in.  Go Berry!

I guess it wouldn't be notable for someone who thinks you are going to win in that column. So I think you've still got support from 4 out of the 6 (unless I missed something)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 09, 2018, 06:24:30 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 09, 2018, 03:00:09 PM
Well no love at all in ye ole Quick Hits predictions, which might be a bit harsh when you compare records, but whatever.  Hoping for  a big Vikings win as I want a home playoff game and want to help get Centre in.  Go Berry!

Yeah, thanks D3football guys for giving Berry even more motivation tomorrow.   ;)   But look at the bright side, nobody said Berry was going to play their way out of a home game in the first round.

Trinity had their whole season changed by a couple of very unfortunate fumbles (both the Centre and Millsaps losses turned on fourth-quarter fumbles).  If they are to have any chance tomorrow they absolutely must hold on to the football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 09, 2018, 07:56:08 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 09, 2018, 09:08:23 AM
Great memories, roocru.   Enjoy your day tomorrow!

San Antonio can't catch a break with the rain - it's been raining a good part of the morning again today.   Forecast for tomorrow is actual fall weather with temps around 50 at game time and not really going anywhere after that.
looks like about 20 degrees below normal.   It is going to be a tough game tomorrow for sure.  Berry fans have a tailgate meal planned over by the baseball field tomorrow.  See you there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2018, 11:19:13 AM
I'm sure the Berry faithful have already seen this, but Brian Lester made Berry and Justus Edwards the focus of this week's Around The Nation:  http://d3football.com/columns/features/2018/berry-14-on-brain
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2018, 07:10:50 PM
Quite the surprise in San Antonio where Trinity took advantage of three interceptions and a two point conversion along the way to a 21-17 upset of the conference champions.  Berry seemed on their way to an win after scoring back-to-back touchdowns with ease to take a 14-3 lead into halftime, but the Tiger defense started getting stops and finally scored a touchdown when Wyatt Messex found Chris Stewart over the middle with the speedster outrunning everyone on a 7674-yard streak to the end zone.  The third interception set Trinity up near midfield with just over four minutes remaining, and after driving to the 20 Messex found Peyton Tuggle who somehow caught the ball falling backwards for the final score with under a minute remaining.  Berry drove inside the Trinity 25 with 0:06 left but the final pass into the flat short of the end zone fell incomplete.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2018, 12:14:18 AM
The D3football projection has Centre in as a Pool C (playing at Trine) and Berry going to UMHB. 

http://d3football.com/playoffs/2018/final-playoff-projection
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2018, 12:45:52 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2018, 12:14:18 AM
The D3football projection has Centre in as a Pool C (playing at Trine) and Berry going to UMHB. 

Not until the second round, though.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 11, 2018, 09:30:05 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2018, 07:10:50 PM
Quite the surprise in San Antonio where Trinity took advantage of three interceptions and a two point conversion along the way to a 21-17 upset of the conference champions.  Berry seemed on their way to an win after scoring back-to-back touchdowns with ease to take a 14-3 lead into halftime, but the Tiger defense started getting stops and finally scored a touchdown when Wyatt Messex found Chris Stewart over the middle with the speedster outrunning everyone on a 7674-yard streak to the end zone.  The third interception set Trinity up near midfield with just over four minutes remaining, and after driving to the 20 Messex found Peyton Tuggle who somehow caught the ball falling backwards for the final score with under a minute remaining.  Berry drove inside the Trinity 25 with 0:06 left but the final pass into the flat short of the end zone fell incomplete.
I was extremely unhappy with the clock operations during the last drive.  Clock didn't stop during 1st down and the ball hit the ground with a second on the clock on the last play.  But that doesn't erase the fact that Berry played a very poor game.  Several bad decisions that were not like previous games.  Those interceptions were all bad decisions that we haven't seen this season.  I wish Trinity had been able to see the best Berry has to offer.  Oh well back to preparation for the first round game. 

Oh and the field was in pretty bad shape.  Both sides were slipping all game long.  It is obvious Trinity had more experience in the surface.  But it affected both teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2018, 05:49:50 PM
Congrats to Centre who not only got a bid but get to host a first-round game, great for the conference to get two bids for the first time in its brief history (right?).   The bad news is that with wins both Berry and Centre would each face one of last year's Stagg Bowl participants on the road in the next round.

Good luck, gentlemen!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on November 11, 2018, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: Cedricb313 on October 21, 2018, 07:09:56 PM
Centre College Colonels (6-1, 4-1) received 26 votes, ^11 after defeating Rhodes College Lynx, 41-14. What are the chances that both, Berry and Centre make the playoffs?

Well that answers that  ;)
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/bracket
https://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/20181111s5b9xb
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 12, 2018, 08:00:39 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2018, 05:49:50 PM
Congrats to Centre who not only got a bid but get to host a first-round game, great for the conference to get two bids for the first time in its brief history (right?).   The bad news is that with wins both Berry and Centre would each face one of last year's Stagg Bowl participants on the road in the next round.

Good luck, gentlemen!

Yes, this is great news for SAA.  the quality of football is stepping up in the conference and it is getting noticed by the NCAA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on November 13, 2018, 09:51:11 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 11, 2018, 09:30:05 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2018, 07:10:50 PM
Quite the surprise in San Antonio where Trinity took advantage of three interceptions and a two point conversion along the way to a 21-17 upset of the conference champions.  Berry seemed on their way to an win after scoring back-to-back touchdowns with ease to take a 14-3 lead into halftime, but the Tiger defense started getting stops and finally scored a touchdown when Wyatt Messex found Chris Stewart over the middle with the speedster outrunning everyone on a 7674-yard streak to the end zone.  The third interception set Trinity up near midfield with just over four minutes remaining, and after driving to the 20 Messex found Peyton Tuggle who somehow caught the ball falling backwards for the final score with under a minute remaining.  Berry drove inside the Trinity 25 with 0:06 left but the final pass into the flat short of the end zone fell incomplete.
I was extremely unhappy with the clock operations during the last drive.  Clock didn't stop during 1st down and the ball hit the ground with a second on the clock on the last play.  But that doesn't erase the fact that Berry played a very poor game.  Several bad decisions that were not like previous games.  Those interceptions were all bad decisions that we haven't seen this season.  I wish Trinity had been able to see the best Berry has to offer.  Oh well back to preparation for the first round game. 

Oh and the field was in pretty bad shape.  Both sides were slipping all game long.  It is obvious Trinity had more experience in the surface.  But it affected both teams.

Officiating wasn't the best, but it was bad on both sides. Literally 7-8 minutes for officials to sort out the offsetting penalties, ejection call. Penalties should not have been offsetting. One was during and 1 was after the play. The clock operator was terrible, but you can't throw an out with 6 seconds left. Ball has to be thrown in the endzone. Poor decisions made on offense and a lapse in coverage by the D caused Berry to lose that game. Trinity played well and deserved to win the game.

I expect Maryville to play well Saturday and Berry is in for a fight. It will not be a blow out like it was the first game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 13, 2018, 10:49:25 AM

Berry fans

Your old fan from Mount Union here. Just want to wish you guys the best on Saturday. Besides the Purple Raiders, you're one of several teams I root for. I guess because you're relatively new to the playoffs and you seem to have a good program going way down there in Georgia.
So, good luck Vikings. One game at a time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 13, 2018, 06:49:01 PM
Thanks MUC57.

I sort of wish Berry and Centre were switched in the brackets.  The team has played Maryville already and been to Texas. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on November 13, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
The committee took the easy way out in this side of the bracket for sure. Two rematches...one a Top 15! Shame that it comes down to the almighty dollar.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2018, 09:31:55 PM
The committee doesn't care about rematching teams in non-conference games, to be clear.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Scots13 on November 14, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
Seems apparent...


I'm more disappointed in the committee's actions for UMHB and HSU's sake than the others, to be clear.  It'll cost one team 1, 2 or even more games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 15, 2018, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: albatross on October 28, 2018, 12:17:09 AM
Checking in here from Washington, DC. Apologize for being so absent on the boards this fall -- been an incredibly busy work season...

---

...I am ever the SAA optimist...

Wow - who knew my first ever -k would come from a sincere apology and rooting for conference success! Ha!

In all seriousness, I am very happy for the conference. Looming second-round matchups aside, it is awesome to see the SAA secure two bids and host two first-round games.

Additionally, Centre has probably been the most complete team in the conference for several years and have been on the outside looking in. Good for this class getting a reward for the work they put in to sustain the program!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 15, 2018, 04:15:07 PM
Looks like Greg has Maryville as the biggest surprise of the bracket.  potentially taking down Berry.

It will be a different game from the first meeting.  looks like Saturday is going to be a great day for football in Valhalla.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: WashJeff68 on November 16, 2018, 07:58:23 AM
Will be driving up from Tennessee to Danville for the game tomorrow.

Two teams appear similar based on stats. last time they played was a home and home in the 1954-55 seasons. Those were both no win seasons for W&J. Both have storied histories in football (C6H0 for Centre, 1922 Rose Bowl for W&J) and as institutions.

Looking forward to a nice drive and a well played game by both teams.

Go Presidents!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2018, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 15, 2018, 04:15:07 PM
Looks like Greg has Maryville as the biggest surprise of the bracket.  potentially taking down Berry.

It will be a different game from the first meeting.  looks like Saturday is going to be a great day for football in Valhalla.

This was a hard quadrant to pick a real surprise in, but I think Maryville is probably the one team that is reasonably within the margin of error for their first round game.  I did pick Berry to win in QH today, but I think it'll be a much different game than it was in September for sure. 

Good luck at Valhalla tomorrow and enjoy the dance! 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2018, 01:53:33 PM
Centre is having their way with W&J so far, leading 33-13 after scoring on the opening drive of the 2nd half.   Looks like W&J tried a fake punt and Centre gets the ball back near midfield and are driving for another score.

Edit:  After what looked like a fake punt attempt by W&J the Colonels get the ball in W&H territory and score easily to make it 40-13 with 9:48 to go in the third.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
Great day for the conference, congratulations Berry and Centre!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 17, 2018, 03:53:33 PM
Congratulations to Berry on the win today. CRU Nation looks forward the Vikings visit to the CRUthedral next week. Early forecast calls for beautiful weather - partly cloudy skies with highs in the 70s.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 17, 2018, 05:06:52 PM
Congratulations, Berry, on the win. CruNation looks forward to hosting you next week. If you have any questions about the area, please let me or Kelly Boggs know. We look forward to hosting a new team. See you next week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 17, 2018, 06:31:36 PM

Congrats Berry on the win today. You have the big guys next but just play your game. Hey! You won and Centre won. Hurray for your conference. Are we going to have to watch out for the SAA from now on? And congrats to Centre. For your reward you get to come to Alliance to play The Machine. But you're playing well so who knows? See you Saturday! 😃🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 17, 2018, 06:45:00 PM
Two nice wins for the SAA.  An excellent season for the conference. 

Two opportunities to rock the world next Saturday.  The odds are long.  But who would have thought the Citadel would be tied with Alabama at halftime.  So you just never know. 

Go Vikings and Colonels.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 17, 2018, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 17, 2018, 06:45:00 PM
Two nice wins for the SAA.  An excellent season for the conference. 

Two opportunities to rock the world next Saturday.  The odds are long.  But who would have thought the Citadel would be tied with Alabama at halftime.  So you just never know. 

Go Vikings and Colonels.

How well do the fans from Berry travel?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2018, 12:34:32 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 17, 2018, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 17, 2018, 06:45:00 PM
Two nice wins for the SAA.  An excellent season for the conference. 

Two opportunities to rock the world next Saturday.  The odds are long.  But who would have thought the Citadel would be tied with Alabama at halftime.  So you just never know. 

Go Vikings and Colonels.

How well do the fans from Berry travel?

There were a decent number (200-300) in San Antonio last weekend, some of whom were very vocal  :D.   Of course the cost of a last-second flight is much higher than one they could schedule months in advance ...

I checked to see if they have an alumni chapter in Texas but apparently not (https://www.berry.edu/alumni/groups/)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 18, 2018, 09:46:02 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2018, 12:34:32 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 17, 2018, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 17, 2018, 06:45:00 PM
Two nice wins for the SAA.  An excellent season for the conference. 

Two opportunities to rock the world next Saturday.  The odds are long.  But who would have thought the Citadel would be tied with Alabama at halftime.  So you just never know. 

Go Vikings and Colonels.

How well do the fans from Berry travel?

There were a decent number (200-300) in San Antonio last weekend, some of whom were very vocal  :D.   Of course the cost of a last-second flight is much higher than one they could schedule months in advance ...

I checked to see if they have an alumni chapter in Texas but apparently not (https://www.berry.edu/alumni/groups/)
We learned at that game there are about 60 Alumni living in southern Texas.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 18, 2018, 05:19:04 PM
That's great. I hope a large number can show up. It makes for a better environment.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: raiderpa on November 18, 2018, 08:14:12 PM
Was wondering about the status of the Centre QB.  The news article that I read said he went out and did not return. Mount Union QB  starter was on the sidelines wearing a boot on his ankle and it is believed that he will not be available this week either.  A shame for both squads if the worst occurs and both have to go with backups.  Mount has had three backups transfer to other schools for playing time and all were great when they got chances to play, so they were big losses for the program.
Current backups are untested, one is totally a runner who plays qb and the other is not too bad, but terribly inexperienced. Had great stats last week, but the receivers were the story.  Passes that went 10 yards or less in the air turned into long td passes because of the speed and talent of the receiving corps, which is as good as we have had. The defense is the story for Mount. They have scored as many TD's, 12, as they have given up.  Very fast, very physical, very opportunistic.  Would love to hear from Centre fans on this board or the Ohio Athletic Conference board. Good luck Colonels.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 19, 2018, 08:32:31 AM
Great weekend for the SAA, impressive wins by Berry and Centre.  The Berry defense looked really good on Saturday.

Here's hoping for a few healed bodies and a great week of practice.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2018, 09:52:54 AM
Hey raiderpa, we'd like to hear from Centre fans too.   They have been absent all year.

All-SAA teams are out.   Centre had nine first-team selections, Berry six; no other school had more than two.    CoTY goes to Berry's Kunczewski.  https://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/files/2018_Football_All-SAA.pdf
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 19, 2018, 10:35:53 AM
Congratulations to all the SAA honorees, well deserved.

https://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/files/2018_Football_All-SAA.pdf

2018 SAA Football All-Conference Awards
SAA Offensive Player of the Year - Tanner Young - Centre
SAA Defensive Player of the Year - Bryson Lamboy - Berry
SAA Special Teams Player of the Year - CJ Stone - Berry
SAA Newcomer of the Year - Gentry Neese - Birmingham-Southern
SAA Coach of the Year - Tony Kunczewski - Berry

All-SAA First Team Offense
Name School Position
Tanner Young Centre QB
Colin Burnam Centre RB
Joey Connors Berry RB
Jaylon Hibbs Centre WR
Mason Kinsey Berry WR
Davis Kannapell Centre TE
DJ Coker Rhodes OL
Nick McGee Berry OL
Drew Yeager Centre OL
Joel Holmes Trinity OL
Xavion Gardner Hendrix OL
Ben Logsdon Centre K

First Team Defense
Name School Position
Bryson Lamboy Berry DL
D'On Coofer Rhodes DL
Zach Berger Centre DL
Liam Vincifora Millsaps DL
Andrew Busby Centre LB
Sy Butler BSC LB
Lee Menefee Sewanee LB
Jack Carroll Berry LB
Cal Lewellyn Centre CB
TJ Melontree Austin CB
Kevin Grier Berry S
Nic Hover Trinity S
Garrett Wolf Hendrix P

All-SAA Second Team Offense
Name School Position
P.J. Settles Rhodes QB
Evan McDowell Trinity RB
Kip Vanhoose Hendrix RB
Tommy Lavine Trinity WR
Chris Stewart Trinity WR
Hayden Murphy Berry TE
Austin Lewter BSC OL
James Meckey Centre OL
Jonathan Cox Berry OL
Andrew Murphy Rhodes OL
Brad Long Trinity OL
Trey Gregory Berry K

All-SAA Second Team Defense
Name School Position
Connor John Centre DL
Kale Ridge Trinity DL
Karim Antoine Sewanee DL
Trent Holt Rhodes DL
Chandler Coleman Millsaps LB
Kievan Boudreaux-Bostic Trinity LB
Myles Myers BSC LB
Alex Kirkendoll Berry LB
John Wilson Centre CB
Mark Sommervill II Berry CB
William Phillips Sewanee S
Nate Johnson Centre S
Ryder Andrews BSC P
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2018, 03:56:57 PM
We found a Centre football fan - one who doesn't understand SOS, apparently - on Twitter.  https://twitter.com/martin_r_taylor/status/1064599627041787911




Silence_Is_Golden (‏@martin_r_taylor)

Mt. Union vs Centre will likely be a lot closer than most think.




@martin_r_taylor
Replying to @Michael56533172 @d3football

Mt. Union has a 53rd ranked strength of schedule vs Centre having 7th. However, Mt. Union does put up big numbers & there is no way I would argue against that. I've seen film of both teams. They look almost identical on both sides of the ball. Athletes everywhere & great coaches.




@martin_r_taylor

It's perfectly fine. I hope your wrong concerning the score. Analytically, the final should be within 10 points. The teams numbers are EXTREMELY close across the board. When considering SOS between the two, the game will be close.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: raiderpa on November 19, 2018, 06:15:12 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2018, 03:56:57 PM
We found a Centre football fan - one who doesn't understand SOS, apparently - on Twitter.  https://twitter.com/martin_r_taylor/status/1064599627041787911




Silence_Is_Golden (‏@martin_r_taylor)

Mt. Union vs Centre will likely be a lot closer than most think.




@martin_r_taylor
Replying to @Michael56533172 @d3football

Mt. Union has a 53rd ranked strength of schedule vs Centre having 7th. However, Mt. Union does put up big numbers & there is no way I would argue against that. I've seen film of both teams. They look almost identical on both sides of the ball. Athletes everywhere & great coaches.




@martin_r_taylor

It's perfectly fine. I hope your wrong concerning the score. Analytically, the final should be within 10 points. The teams numbers are EXTREMELY close across the board. When considering SOS between the two, the game will be close.

These predictions have never proven accurate, however, there is a first time for everything.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HScoach on November 19, 2018, 06:34:22 PM
^  The only thing that might make his prediction of 10 points accurate is that Mount might be playing without the highest rated QB in D3 throwing to a stellar receiving corps.  Or at best playing with a hobbled QB.   If Fulford was healthy this would be a 30 point line.  Easy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 19, 2018, 06:52:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2018, 03:56:57 PM

Silence_Is_Golden (‏@martin_r_taylor)

Mt. Union vs Centre will likely be a lot closer than most think.

@martin_r_taylor
Replying to @Michael56533172 @d3football

Mt. Union has a 53rd ranked strength of schedule vs Centre having 7th. However, Mt. Union does put up big numbers & there is no way I would argue against that. I've seen film of both teams. They look almost identical on both sides of the ball. Athletes everywhere & great coaches.

I have to question Mr Taylor's ability to evaluate what he sees on film.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: raiderpa on November 19, 2018, 08:25:58 PM
To stay with Mount Union, not only can you not make mistakes, you must have superior overall team speed....All-American class team speed in your defensive backfield. Ask any opponent.  (Not bragging here.  They can humiliate you if you are half a step slow.)  I look forward to the match up if Center looks as talented and fast as Mount.  There are many teams who felt equal to the challenge coming into Mount Union Stadium. Maybe only two or three home losses since 1986.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 19, 2018, 08:34:37 PM
Of the teams remaining, who are statistically the best at each position?

Passing:

David Tammaro     Johns Hopkins     3330 yards
Broc Rutter            North Central     3275 yards

Receiving:

Jalon Hibbs            Centre                1148 Yards

Rushing:

Markeith Miller        UMHB                1401 yards

Interceptions per Game

Jefferson Fritz         UMHB                 8 Ints  .7 per game  135 Return yards

Tackles for Loss

Frankie Feaster       Muhlenberg         20.5        1.9 per game

Field Goal Percentage

Anthony Avila         UMHB               .909 FG Percentage

Kickoff Returns

Brayden Corona       Whitworth         316 Return Yards    26.3 Avg

Punt Returns

KJ Miller              UMHB             593 Return Yards
Aaron Sims          UMHB             424 Return Yards

Lots of good stuff here. Should be great for stat tracking this Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ratbacker on November 20, 2018, 06:07:21 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on November 19, 2018, 08:25:58 PM
To stay with Mount Union, not only can you not make mistakes, you must have superior overall team speed....All-American class team speed in your defensive backfield. Ask any opponent.  (Not bragging here.  They can humiliate you if you are half a step slow.)  I look forward to the match up if Center looks as talented and fast as Mount.  There are many teams who felt equal to the challenge coming into Mount Union Stadium. Maybe only two or three home losses since 1986.
I certainly don't dispute your claim regarding the need for DB speed to hang with Mount Union, I think outside UMHB only Saint Johns has the DB Athletes to play with MUC. Pre Season All American Max Jackson and FCS transfer Chris Harris are legit. Just hope they get the opportunity to prove it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HScoach on November 20, 2018, 08:19:56 AM
I would add UWW to that list too.  They have more than proven their ability over the last decade.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2018, 10:10:55 AM
Thanks UMU folks for the participation, which sadly is more than we've seen from Centre supporters the last couple of years (or more) combined.   Here's hoping for a good game this weekend.   Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 20, 2018, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: HScoach on November 20, 2018, 08:19:56 AM
I would add UWW to that list too.  They have more than proven their ability over the last decade.

I think they were thinking recent players and success.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HScoach on November 20, 2018, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 20, 2018, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: HScoach on November 20, 2018, 08:19:56 AM
I would add UWW to that list too.  They have more than proven their ability over the last decade.

I think they were thinking recent players and success.

IMHO, any team that wins the WIAC at 10-0 fits that category.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ratbacker on November 20, 2018, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 20, 2018, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: HScoach on November 20, 2018, 08:19:56 AM
I would add UWW to that list too.  They have more than proven their ability over the last decade.

I think they were thinking recent players and success.
Yep speaking in terms of this years team rosters, I am sure UWWW has plenty of athletes as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2018, 03:52:25 PM
Centre CB Cal Lewellyn is one of this week's D3football playoff features (https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/big-test-coming-centre-corner).   He'll have his hands full on Saturday to be sure.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2018, 08:01:46 PM
 Question for those D3 experts, how did the travel rule get set at 500 miles?  How many more options would the committee have if the rule was at 600?  Would it matter in the first round?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HScoach on November 20, 2018, 08:56:56 PM
^ knowing the history of the NCAA, I'm going to guess 'darts'.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2018, 10:33:48 PM
The altruistic answer is that they don't want student athletes having to spend 10+ hours on a bus.  The real answer is that the density of D3 schools back east is such that it also prevents having to pay for a LOT of flights.  600 miles might add a couple of corner cases but the schools involved probably wouldn't be thrilled about having to climb on a bus for that length of time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2018, 01:43:34 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2018, 08:01:46 PM
Question for those D3 experts, how did the travel rule get set at 500 miles?  How many more options would the committee have if the rule was at 600?  Would it matter in the first round?

We answered this question on a recent podcast, actually.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Craft_Beermeister on November 21, 2018, 07:05:03 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2018, 03:52:25 PM
Centre CB Cal Lewellyn is one of this week's D3football playoff features (https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/big-test-coming-centre-corner).   He'll have his hands full on Saturday to be sure.

Lewellyn is a pretty good player and he will get tested this weekend because UMU has multiple talented receivers. Centre will be catching a good break this weekend with UMU's gunslinger on the bench for another week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 21, 2018, 08:18:07 AM
Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on November 21, 2018, 07:05:03 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2018, 03:52:25 PM
Centre CB Cal Lewellyn is one of this week's D3football playoff features (https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/big-test-coming-centre-corner).   He'll have his hands full on Saturday to be sure.

Lewellyn is a pretty good player and he will get tested this weekend because UMU has multiple talented receivers. Centre will be catching a good break this weekend with UMU's gunslinger on the bench for another week.


Craft

Interesting news. He practiced yesterday. Seemed to be OK. I'll check practice again today. ❓ 🤔
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 21, 2018, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2018, 01:43:34 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2018, 08:01:46 PM
Question for those D3 experts, how did the travel rule get set at 500 miles?  How many more options would the committee have if the rule was at 600?  Would it matter in the first round?

We answered this question on a recent podcast, actually.

I (think) that you like podcasts because it's easier to record, than type up articles (and probably time saving).  But I don't always have the time to sit down and listen to a 45 minute podcast.  I miss the days of more printed/written articles.

Anyways, could you please answer the question, or point us to the specific podcast and approximate time it was discussed, so we can find the answer?

Thank you for all you do!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 21, 2018, 02:02:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2018, 10:33:48 PM
The altruistic answer is that they don't want student athletes having to spend 10+ hours on a bus.  The real answer is that the density of D3 schools back east is such that it also prevents having to pay for a LOT of flights.  600 miles might add a couple of corner cases but the schools involved probably wouldn't be thrilled about having to climb on a bus for that length of time.

Some of the southern and western schools already have a game or two like that.  The density of D3 schools in those regions is much different than the north and east.  Berry travels to Hendrix at 517 miles.  Centre travels to Millsaps at 604 miles. 

Even if it was just considered for 1st round games, I think it might help.  Maybe 600 isn't the right # but if it helps prevent rematches...  Maybe if the trip is longer, they give the team an extra day to travel, that would be cheaper than a flight... 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 21, 2018, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2018, 01:43:34 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2018, 08:01:46 PM
Question for those D3 experts, how did the travel rule get set at 500 miles?  How many more options would the committee have if the rule was at 600?  Would it matter in the first round?

We answered this question on a recent podcast, actually.

I (think) that you like podcasts because it's easier to record, than type up articles (and probably time saving).  But I don't always have the time to sit down and listen to a 45 minute podcast.  I miss the days of more printed/written articles.

Anyways, could you please answer the question, or point us to the specific podcast and approximate time it was discussed, so we can find the answer?

Thank you for all you do!

We also enjoy podcasts and can reach people in different places that way. But the answer is basically what Ron said, which is why I didn't elaborate. The committee doesn't want to put kids in a bus for 10 hours and extending the radius to 600 doesn't really help the Southwest or Northwest.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 21, 2018, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 21, 2018, 02:02:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2018, 10:33:48 PM
The altruistic answer is that they don't want student athletes having to spend 10+ hours on a bus.  The real answer is that the density of D3 schools back east is such that it also prevents having to pay for a LOT of flights.  600 miles might add a couple of corner cases but the schools involved probably wouldn't be thrilled about having to climb on a bus for that length of time.

Some of the southern and western schools already have a game or two like that.  The density of D3 schools in those regions is much different than the north and east.  Berry travels to Hendrix at 517 miles.  Centre travels to Millsaps at 604 miles. 

Even if it was just considered for 1st round games, I think it might help.  Maybe 600 isn't the right # but if it helps prevent rematches...  Maybe if the trip is longer, they give the team an extra day to travel, that would be cheaper than a flight...

Which would also be an extra day out of school, which is sort of un-D3 as well. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 21, 2018, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 21, 2018, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2018, 01:43:34 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2018, 08:01:46 PM
Question for those D3 experts, how did the travel rule get set at 500 miles?  How many more options would the committee have if the rule was at 600?  Would it matter in the first round?

We answered this question on a recent podcast, actually.

I (think) that you like podcasts because it's easier to record, than type up articles (and probably time saving).  But I don't always have the time to sit down and listen to a 45 minute podcast.  I miss the days of more printed/written articles.

Anyways, could you please answer the question, or point us to the specific podcast and approximate time it was discussed, so we can find the answer?

Thank you for all you do!

We also enjoy podcasts and can reach people in different places that way. But the answer is basically what Ron said, which is why I didn't elaborate. The committee doesn't want to put kids in a bus for 10 hours and extending the radius to 600 doesn't really help the Southwest or Northwest.

Thank you
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 22, 2018, 08:22:00 AM

Centre fans (are you out there?)

First, Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy the day. I hope some of you will be making the trip to Alliance. I assure you, after a victory over a good W&J team, no one is taking the Colonels for granted. Should be a good game. Temps are predicted to be in the 40s so not too bad. Hope I can meet and chat with some of you. See you Saturday? Good luck and travel safely! 🍗 🍷 😃
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 23, 2018, 12:53:10 PM
Be careful, Berry fans and team, in your travels today. If you need any dining suggestions, please let me know. If any of you posters are going to be at the game, I'd love to meet up with you. Have a great day.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 23, 2018, 10:23:59 PM
I had hoped to make the trip,  we just couldn't find affordable flights this busy weekend.  But I believe Berry will have a respectable crowd.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 24, 2018, 02:01:11 PM
Ah, Centre fans, I know the pain of playing Mount Union with an untried QB.   At least you didn't have to do it in the national championship game.    Congratulations on a fine season - today's loss can't take away from what you accomplished all year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 24, 2018, 02:36:41 PM
Very interesting.   Centre has put up 21 points straight on UMU after trailing 51-7 at the half and with the Colonels inside the 20 the Raiders put their first string defense back in, leading 51-28 with under two minutes to go.

The 28 points (so far) represent the most points than anyone has put on the Raiders all season. 

Edit:  The 35 points represent the most points.   Before today the Raiders had only allowed 12 TDs all season.  Nice job by the second-place SAA team in the second half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ohsaa13 on November 24, 2018, 03:21:41 PM
Ron, you are aware Mount played their second team the ENTIRE second half until Center was able to get their last first and goal when the score was 51-28.  Kehres had seen enough of the lack of effort from the secondary and sat them down. Mount had not played a game all year where the second team started the second half and also played the entire half.  Not sure if they scored 51 points in a half against anyone this year.  A lot of firsts today.  This could have been a 90/100 point day for Mount.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 24, 2018, 03:28:35 PM
But give up 28 points it did, and to a team playing their second-string QB.

Jesus, dude, go get defensive somewhere else.  So tired of people hiding behind an alias looking for reasons to get their nose bent out of shape even when they win handily.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ohsaa13 on November 24, 2018, 03:40:26 PM
Sorry Ron. I did not mean to offend. Just stated facts.  Again, apologize as it was not my
Intention.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on November 24, 2018, 04:29:29 PM
MU 51, Center 35. Congratulations MU on your win. Prayers for your continued success on your journey to Stagg Bowl. And Centre, congratulations on your season. Thank you for the ride for the last four seasons. I wouldn't trade the experience for anything in the world. Lastly, #44 Colin Burnam (Centre), much love and respect. #SAA #ProudParent #d3fb
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 24, 2018, 04:30:22 PM
Congrats, Berry, on a great season. UMHB is pretty good. We've been there, though, so keep fighting. See you down the road.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 24, 2018, 05:20:44 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 24, 2018, 03:28:35 PM
But give up 28 points it did, and to a team playing their second-string QB.

Jesus, dude, go get defensive somewhere else.  So tired of people hiding behind an alias looking for reasons to get their nose bent out of shape even when they win handily.

Doesn't sound defensive to me. He is just stating facts. It just happens you don't like them. I'm so tired of people not wanting to see reality. I doubt that any Mount fan has his nose bent out of shape. Mount won. Second and third strings played the entire 2nd half. They were terrible. Those are facts. Facts. No one hiding behind an alias. No one being defensive. Seems the only one having a problem is you. Have fun in your world. Mount moves on. Go Raiders!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: s e 76 on November 24, 2018, 06:01:40 PM
if they had first qb could have been 100 to 14
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 24, 2018, 08:58:04 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 24, 2018, 04:30:22 PM
Congrats, Berry, on a great season. UMHB is pretty good. We've been there, though, so keep fighting. See you down the road.
Thanks,  I knew it would be a difficult matchup today, but I didn't expect 75 points.  WOW.   

Berry was on its heels all game.  Started with bad field position and they never got it back.  You can't give a good team short fields and we did it all game.

It is time to get some rest, celebrate another conference championship, send the seniors off and then get started on next step.

Go Vikings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 26, 2018, 08:02:58 AM
Well, it was a great season.  I didn't think we could be as good as last season, the graduation losses were very impactful, but we honestly very little drop off.  Great to win  the conference again, great to make it to the 2nd round.  Coach K has this thing rolling.  No doubt that we have arrived and are here to stay in our conference and general region.

That being said, Saturday's game was brutal.  No real positives at all.  You gotta crawl before you walk and our program is only 6 years old.  Against the nation's elite, we have still have much maturing as a program to get done.  The goals still ahead are to make it to the third round and to be competitive with the elite teams.

Best of luck to the remaining teams.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on November 26, 2018, 09:16:52 AM
As a parent that has been around Berry's program from day 1, I'm proud of the way the program has grown. Saturday's game was brutal, but I expect UMHB to play for the NC in a few weeks. They are an elite program and Berry isn't there yet, but there are teams that have been playing a lot longer than Berry that haven't been to the 1st or 2nd round at all, so I'm grateful the program has gotten to experience playing  in the playoffs. It wasn't a good showing on Saturday, but in the end, it was a very successful season and one the players, coaches and Berry College can be proud of.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 26, 2018, 09:39:02 AM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on November 26, 2018, 09:16:52 AM
As a parent that has been around Berry's program from day 1, I'm proud of the way the program has grown. Saturday's game was brutal, but I expect UMHB to play for the NC in a few weeks. They are an elite program and Berry isn't there yet, but there are teams that have been playing a lot longer than Berry that haven't been to the 1st or 2nd round at all, so I'm grateful the program has gotten to experience playing  in the playoffs. It wasn't a good showing on Saturday, but in the end, it was a very successful season and one the players, coaches and Berry College can be proud of.


And other people, like myself, are rooting for you as well. Congrats on a good season. 250 teams in Dlll and you made it to "The Sweet 16". Something to be proud of and to build on.
Mount Union played their first game in 1893. Didn't make the playoffs until 1985. You beat the hell out of that happening. Good luck next year and Go Vikings! 😃 🏈
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on November 26, 2018, 09:54:47 AM
Congrats to Berry on a solid season, as many others have said it is a testament to the program you guys are building that you are already a 2nd round team.

Thought some of you might be interested to see the post game press conference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BotjBZ9bWnU
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 26, 2018, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on November 26, 2018, 09:16:52 AM
As a parent that has been around Berry's program from day 1, I'm proud of the way the program has grown. Saturday's game was brutal, but I expect UMHB to play for the NC in a few weeks. They are an elite program and Berry isn't there yet, but there are teams that have been playing a lot longer than Berry that haven't been to the 1st or 2nd round at all, so I'm grateful the program has gotten to experience playing  in the playoffs. It wasn't a good showing on Saturday, but in the end, it was a very successful season and one the players, coaches and Berry College can be proud of.
Hey Berry just has to keep the steamroller moving,your doing something right! Good attitude, winning mindset, good recruiting what 6 years and your in the second round? Not bad.. not bad at all! Keep it up Vikes!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 26, 2018, 01:09:38 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 26, 2018, 08:02:58 AM

That being said, Saturday's game was brutal.  No real positives at all.  You gotta crawl before you walk and our program is only 6 years old.  Against the nation's elite, we have still have much maturing as a program to get done.  The goals still ahead are to make it to the third round and to be competitive with the elite teams.


I don't know if there were no real positives.  I saw some fire in the guys late in the game,  they were able to make some plays against the 2nd/3rd guys.  So I think we are showing progress.  This was an extremely difficult match-up, I thought there were a few teams in other brackets where Berry matched up better.  This was just the draw that was given.  And to be honest, this is probably the draw that's going to happen several times in the future.  I just see the D3 bracket continuing to go through Belton for many years to come.

Berry gained valuable experience for its young players.  The seniors have 3 conference rings, very few players will be able to make that claim regardless of the level.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on November 26, 2018, 01:42:54 PM
I would say the real positive out of Saturday was it gave the younger guys another week of practice and another week of big time game experience that can't be simulated in practice. Berry is young. Lots of freshman and sophomores currently in the 2 deep rotation. They just got 2 weeks of extra practice and 2 extra games that 220 other teams wish they had just from a development standpoint. It wasn't pretty on Saturday, but as Coach k said in the post game interview, hopefully the team can take some things away from the lopsided loss and get better.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2018, 01:59:07 PM
I expect the SAA to be a real shootout next year.

Centre is consistent, year after year. Berry has those 3 rings. But, my eye is on Trinity. I think that Coach Urban finally has his program going the way that he wants it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 26, 2018, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2018, 01:59:07 PM
I expect the SAA to be a real shootout next year.

Centre is consistent, year after year. Berry has those 3 rings. But, my eye is on Trinity. I think that Coach Urban finally has his program going the way that he wants it.

I hope this is true. This will really help the playoff pairings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 27, 2018, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2018, 01:59:07 PM
I expect the SAA to be a real shootout next year.

Centre is consistent, year after year. Berry has those 3 rings. But, my eye is on Trinity. I think that Coach Urban finally has his program going the way that he wants it.

Berry will need to improve their secondary next season.  They had some teams, especially late in the year get plenty of yards on the soft coverage they played this past year. 

Losing a senior QB isn't going to be easy either, but all the receivers will have a year's experience, so that will help the next QB.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 28, 2018, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2018, 01:59:07 PM
I expect the SAA to be a real shootout next year.

Centre is consistent, year after year. Berry has those 3 rings. But, my eye is on Trinity. I think that Coach Urban finally has his program going the way that he wants it.

Agreed, Ralph. With Miles Thompson returning at QB for Hendrix next year, there could be 4-5 really solid teams in the mix...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on November 28, 2018, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2018, 01:59:07 PM
I expect the SAA to be a real shootout next year.

Centre is consistent, year after year. Berry has those 3 rings. But, my eye is on Trinity. I think that Coach Urban finally has his program going the way that he wants it.

I have been impressed with Trinity both years Berry has played them. Last years game in Rome was a tough game all the way to the end and Trinity got the best of Berry in San Antonio. I look for them to be a tough game each year going forward. I agree that next year could be a real shootout among 4 or 5 teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 29, 2018, 10:14:42 AM
Speaking of Trinity's program...

Ron - any insight or updates on the facilities improvements at Trinity? I know they had a master plan that seemed pretty set re: stadium and training areas.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on December 04, 2018, 10:15:42 AM
https://www.d3football.com/awards/all-region/2018/d3football-all-south-region-2018

Looks like the SAA had 10 players receive D3 All-South Region honors.  Centre(4) had the most, with Berry(3), Hendrix(1) and Rhodes(2) adding to the list as well.  Congratulations to all, especially the seniors.  Thanks for all the hard work.

First Team O
T D.J. Coker Rhodes Sr. Buford, Ga.
C Drew Yeager Centre Jr. Danville, Ky.
Third Team O
WR Jaylon Hibbs Centre Sr. Louisville, Ky.
C Nick McGee Berry Sr. Evans, Ga.
K Ben Logsdon Centre Sr. Louisville, Ky.

First Team D
DT Bryson Lamboy Berry Sr. Cave Springs, Ga.
CB Cal Lewellyn Centre Jr. Louisville, Ky.
Second Team D
DT D'On Coofer Rhodes Jr. Goodlettsville, Tenn.
S Kevin Grier Berry Sr. Lilburn, Ga.
Third Team D
P Garrett Wolf Hendrix Sr. Midlothian, Texas
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on December 06, 2018, 11:27:13 AM
Hendrix Offensive Coordinator (and former Hardin Simmons great) is going to be announced as the new McMurry head coach today. He's an Abilene native and will look to build a program back up much like he helped Buck Buchanan do at Hendrix.

Also helped marshal one of the best offenses in college football for the past 6 years. Wishing him all success and hoping for a smooth transition for his family!

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/sports/former-cooper-qb-jordan-neal-to-be-next-mcmurry-coach/1641970161 (https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/sports/former-cooper-qb-jordan-neal-to-be-next-mcmurry-coach/1641970161)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on December 07, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
Congratulations Centre Colleges, Colin Burnam, on being named to #SAA 2018 All-Sportsman Team. #d3fb
https://www.saa-sports.com/general/2018-19/releases/20181206msuuis
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on December 13, 2018, 10:03:22 AM
Hendrix promotes from within: OL coach/Strength & Conditioning Coordinator Russ Phillips named new OC at Hendrix.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on December 17, 2018, 02:58:30 PM
Congrats to Bryson Lamboy for being named a finalist for the Cliff Harris Award.

http://berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/lamboy_cliff_harris
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on December 24, 2018, 09:20:36 PM
Merry Christmas to SAA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 26, 2018, 09:14:44 AM
Quote from: albatross on November 29, 2018, 10:14:42 AM
Speaking of Trinity's program...

Ron - any insight or updates on the facilities improvements at Trinity? I know they had a master plan that seemed pretty set re: stadium and training areas.

This is no great insight on my part, but the way major athletic facility works at Trinity is that nothing happens until a big donor comes up with a pledge for a substantial amount of the required funding - which sadly hasn't happened to date.   Same situation with the baseball field; there's been discussion of an overhaul there for quite a while but even winning a national championship hasn't gotten them over the hump.

With the stock market in freefall (no political commentary, just fact) you can bet the school and donors are clutching tightly onto their assets right about now.   I don't expect any progress in the near future. 

Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas (or holiday of choice) and looking forward to a great New Year in the SAA next season.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 04, 2019, 09:15:47 AM
For anyone unfamiliar with the story of the 1899 Sewanee Tigers, who won five road games by shutout in six days (train travel FTW) against opponents including the University of Texas, Texas A&M, and LSU, today's story in the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/sports/sewanee-tigers-alabama-oklahoma.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/sports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront) might be an enlightening read.  It's not the best story I've seen on the subject but the fact that a 120 year-old football team still gets press in this day and age tells you something about their accomplishment.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on January 04, 2019, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 04, 2019, 09:15:47 AM
For anyone unfamiliar with the story of the 1899 Sewanee Tigers... the fact that a 120 year-old football team still gets press in this day and age tells you something about their accomplishment.

Great find, Ron. After playing at Sewanee multiple times within the last 5 years, I can confirm that the allure is still there from decades past.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on January 07, 2019, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 04, 2019, 09:15:47 AM
For anyone unfamiliar with the story of the 1899 Sewanee Tigers, who won five road games by shutout in six days (train travel FTW) against opponents including the University of Texas, Texas A&M, and LSU, today's story in the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/sports/sewanee-tigers-alabama-oklahoma.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/sports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront) might be an enlightening read.  It's not the best story I've seen on the subject but the fact that a 120 year-old football team still gets press in this day and age tells you something about their accomplishment.

That was certainly the greatest accomplishment of any football team during the early era of college football.  And most of the wins would be against what most would consider powerhouse programs today.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on January 19, 2019, 05:07:33 PM
The most impressive win of that season didn't occur on the roadtrip but in the "Championship of the South" game against the John Heisman coached Auburn Tigers.   The final score was Sewanee 11 - Auburn 10 with the key play being a very controversial call on a fumble late in the first half.    The ref. gave the ball to Sewanee though claims from the Auburn team they controlled the ball.   Next play saw Sewanee use a double pass to score the touchdown and our kicker made the extra point.   Neither team was able to score in the second half and Sewanee kept the unbeaten streak alive.   The following week the Iron Men defeated UNC 5-0 to close the season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on February 25, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
I was disappointed with the changes in the 2019 schedule rotation.

Berry travels to Trinity and to Centre again next season.  Not that the trip to San Antonio was bad, but I was wanting to make the trip to Austin in Sherman, TX.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 19, 2019, 01:02:26 PM
Trinity finally posted their schedule (or at least I saw it posted today on instagram) and they have the same non-conference opponents as last year; home to McMurry, away versus Hardin-Simmons.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2019, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 19, 2019, 01:02:26 PM
Trinity finally posted their schedule (or at least I saw it posted today on instagram) and they have the same non-conference opponents as last year; home to McMurry, away versus Hardin-Simmons.
Maybe HSU gives them a Result versus a Regionally Ranked Opponent.

However, TU is my pre-season favorite to win the SAA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: pumkinattack on April 12, 2019, 02:50:29 PM
Wondering if I could solicit any potential knowledge or feedback about 5A D2 football level, Rock arrest hs?  We picked up a kid going to hobart next year, a QB, from that hs, but  my knowledge of HS Tx football basically comes from Friday night Lights and every unathletic hubris filled person claiming to as home.  Neither of which are very good sources of course.

If by chance anyone follows that division of football the kids name is Peyton roberts.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2019, 11:22:40 PM
Quote from: pumkinattack on April 12, 2019, 02:50:29 PM
Wondering if I could solicit any potential knowledge or feedback about 5A D2 football level, Rock arrest hs?  We picked up a kid going to hobart next year, a QB, from that hs, but  my knowledge of HS Tx football basically comes from Friday night Lights and every unathletic hubris filled person claiming to as home.  Neither of which are very good sources of course.

If by chance anyone follows that division of football the kids name is Peyton roberts.

Thanks in advance
Is this the guy?

Rick Reedy High School in Frisco TX?

https://www.hudl.com/profile/6523414/Peyton-Roberts

Rick Reedy HS has about 1800 - 2000 kids in Grades 9-12, so it is a pretty competitive high school.

I am sure that he has had very good coaching. He does look a little slow, but that may not be a problem in the Liberty League.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/6523414/Peyton-Roberts

From his webpage, it appears he played JV ball as a junior, which is not all that uncommon at 5A and 6A.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on April 19, 2019, 10:32:16 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 19, 2019, 01:02:26 PM
Trinity finally posted their schedule (or at least I saw it posted today on instagram) and they have the same non-conference opponents as last year; home to McMurry, away versus Hardin-Simmons.

Berry gets to visit two years in a row.  I wonder how that worked out?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 19, 2019, 12:21:39 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on April 19, 2019, 10:32:16 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 19, 2019, 01:02:26 PM
Trinity finally posted their schedule (or at least I saw it posted today on instagram) and they have the same non-conference opponents as last year; home to McMurry, away versus Hardin-Simmons.

Berry gets to visit two years in a row.  I wonder how that worked out?

The SAA reworked the entire schedule for some reason; not sure why, but this was one of the impacts.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 10, 2019, 08:31:50 PM
Saw Trinity's 'commits' on Instagram today, 38 young men.  Only one QB, Brooks Klutts of Boerne (a smallish town NW of San Antonio), a 6'1" sophomore transfer from Incarnate Word (who saw basically no PT as a freshman as you might expect).  Interestingly, he is still (as of this writing) on the UIW 2019 web roster.  8 DLs, 7 DBs, a herd of OL (10), 6 WR, 3 LB, 2 RBs, and one TE.  This size of entering class is typical of what Coach Urban has wanted the last several years.   https://www.instagram.com/tufootballtx/ for anyone who wants to have a look .
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on May 17, 2019, 07:47:38 PM
Sewanee taking a travel team to play exhibition game in Rome:
http://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/20190513lg1vn6

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 02, 2019, 08:01:58 AM
Late transfer at QB for Trinity - Tucker Horn;was on the roster at Abilene Christian last season but saw no PT as a first-year:

https://acusports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7386

6'0", 190lbs; as a senior at 4A Graham HS was 238 of 382 for 4,221 yards and 52 TDs, 6 INT.   Honorable mention AP All-State 4A.  Sounds like a solid addition to the roster.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 03, 2019, 06:09:49 PM
Interesting given the transfer of the young man to Trinity from Incarnate Word.   What was the quarterback situation looking like for Coach Urban's team before the transfers?  Will these players be competing with an incumbent for playing time or will they be competing with each other for starting position?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 04, 2019, 11:10:46 AM
I don't have any inside information; they had 5 QBs on last year's roster, none of whom were seniors, and announced 1 QB signee for this year's incoming class prior to this announcement.  Last year's starter, rising junior Wyatt Messex, was solid but not spectacular in his first season as starter (114/205 for 1672 yds, 20 TDs/5 INTs, 249 yds rushing/2 TDs) in leading the team to its best record since 2015 and a win over conference champion Berry in the season finale. 

I've seen Coach Urban rotate QBs on occasion but his preference is to go with one guy, so I imagine everyone's going to compete with Messex being the guy when camp gets underway - but having two transfers from D1 programs (highly unusual for Trinity as it would be for most D3 schools) at the position should make things interesting.  Will be interesting to see if Horn still has four years of eligibility since he never saw the field at ACU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 04, 2019, 12:18:25 PM
The league's going to be interesting this year.   I think Trinity and Centre will be strong.  Wondering how much Berry will bring back this year after their run.

Looking forward to our season on the Mountain as we have a solid class returning with some good recruits.   

Time to start the countdown to opening weekend?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2019, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on June 04, 2019, 12:18:25 PM
Time to start the countdown to opening weekend?

And for Kickoff  ;D   With baseball behind them I expect Pat and the gang to start working on it pretty soon. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 06, 2019, 10:15:39 AM
And speaking of Trinity...  saw this note about Coach Mohr being added to the College HoF ballot.   Great honor for both him and the program (even if I did hate the way his programs treated our Tigers during his coaching tenure :) ).

https://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/190603_mohr

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on June 10, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on June 04, 2019, 12:18:25 PM
The league's going to be interesting this year.   I think Trinity and Centre will be strong. 


I thought Centre  lost a good number of seniors last year.  Most of them were getting significant playing time, iirc.  So their season may depend on who steps up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on June 10, 2019, 05:12:25 PM
Berry's comments on their 2019 recruits. - Several big linemen in the group.   

https://berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/berry_football_2019_newcomers
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 24, 2019, 07:26:13 AM
Trinity shut their field/stadium down for two months for "renovations" last week.  Whether that means they are finally replacing sod with turf or something else should be made clear with a formal announcement from the sports info folks in the near future.

EDIT:  the field and track last underwent major renovation in 2012 (https://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/TU_Track).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 25, 2019, 04:53:46 PM
Trinity is replacing their grass with FieldTurf.   https://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/190626_fb_turf
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 26, 2019, 02:08:42 PM
Yes!   The signups for Kickoff are now open (and you can even make a small additional donation if desired to help with the costs of running the site).   https://www.d3football.com/notables/2019/06/order-kickoff-2019-now
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on June 28, 2019, 04:25:26 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 25, 2019, 04:53:46 PM
Trinity is replacing their grass with FieldTurf.   https://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/190626_fb_turf

It seems turf is easier to manage, but most of the players I have talked with, really don't like playing on turf, especially in southern states, that rubber holds a lot of heat and it gets into every crack and crevice.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 29, 2019, 10:01:53 AM
From some photos shared on twitter it looks like the turf at Trinity is just about done.   

BCF, re your comment, understood, but they also probably don't like it when they have to play in a quagmire, and whenever it rains in the fall the field at TU rapidly turns into something unplayable.   With Trinity moving to turf, Austin is the only school in the conference with a grass field, something else that was likely a factor.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: RCottman on July 29, 2019, 06:14:20 PM
Trinity's new turf is from Fieldturf. It is the new cool turf type that is supposed to be 20 degrees cooler than regular turf.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on August 07, 2019, 04:24:16 PM
that's interesting to hear about the 20 degree difference.  That is significant.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 09, 2019, 07:24:48 AM
The D3football.com preseason Top 25 (https://www.d3football.com/top25/2019/preseason) is out and shows the SAA some respect:

16. Berry
20. Centre
RV  Trinity

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 10, 2019, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 04, 2019, 11:10:46 AM
I don't have any inside information; they had 5 QBs on last year's roster, none of whom were seniors, and announced 1 QB signee for this year's incoming class prior to this announcement.  Last year's starter, rising junior Wyatt Messex, was solid but not spectacular in his first season as starter (114/205 for 1672 yds, 20 TDs/5 INTs, 249 yds rushing/2 TDs) in leading the team to its best record since 2015 and a win over conference champion Berry in the season finale. 

I've seen Coach Urban rotate QBs on occasion but his preference is to go with one guy, so I imagine everyone's going to compete with Messex being the guy when camp gets underway - but having two transfers from D1 programs (highly unusual for Trinity as it would be for most D3 schools) at the position should make things interesting.  Will be interesting to see if Horn still has four years of eligibility since he never saw the field at ACU.

Trinity's roster for the upcoming season has been posted (https://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/roster).   The two transfer QBs above are both listed as first-years on the roster so must have redshirted at their respective institutions.  A third transfer at QB has been revealed - Will Chaney, who is listed on the 2017 UMHB roster but not the 2018 (though I found some tweets saying he threw at least a couple of TDs for the Cru JV last season).   Going to be very interesting to see what Kickoff has to say about this in a couple of weeks.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 19, 2019, 09:53:24 AM
One of the San Antonio TV stations, KSAT, put together this preview of Trinity's season:  https://www.ksat.com/sports/instant-replay/trinity-football-ready-to-take-next-step-in-2019

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: C6H0colonels on August 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Looking forward to a great year of SAA football. Between Centre, Berry, and Trinity this conference is now getting some attention.

Does anyone have an update on Justice from Berry?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 21, 2019, 09:35:38 AM
Welcome C6H0!   Good to have some Centre representation on the board.   Regarding "Justice from Berry" - no player by that name on their roster this year or the last two Justus Edwards is on the roster, but I haven't been able to find any updates on the injury he suffered last year. 

According to a story in yesterday's San Antonio Express-News (unfortunately behind a paywall) lQB Wyatt Messex dealt with a high ankle sprain from the second game of last season as well as having his non-throwing arm in a cast for the season after breaking a wrist three weeks after that.  He appears to have retained the starting role despite all the transfers noted earlier, so hopefully he can stay healthy this season.

Speaking of QBs, Miles Thompson will be back for Hendrix, as a junior; he received a medical redshirt after going down in the second game of the season last year.   Good news for Hendrix - not so good for the rest of the conference who have to deal with his talents  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2019, 11:43:42 AM
The SCAC just announced a "streaming partnership" with PrestoSports for conference schools, though there isn't any mention of cost.  I do wonder how this will impact Trinity, which has heavily invested in its own streaming platform used throughout the school, not just for athletics.   Wonder if the SAA is exploring something similar?
https://www.scacsports.com/news/scac_announces_streaming_partnership
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on August 27, 2019, 12:32:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 10, 2019, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 04, 2019, 11:10:46 AM
I don't have any inside information; they had 5 QBs on last year's roster, none of whom were seniors, and announced 1 QB signee for this year's incoming class prior to this announcement.  Last year's starter, rising junior Wyatt Messex, was solid but not spectacular in his first season as starter (114/205 for 1672 yds, 20 TDs/5 INTs, 249 yds rushing/2 TDs) in leading the team to its best record since 2015 and a win over conference champion Berry in the season finale. 

I've seen Coach Urban rotate QBs on occasion but his preference is to go with one guy, so I imagine everyone's going to compete with Messex being the guy when camp gets underway - but having two transfers from D1 programs (highly unusual for Trinity as it would be for most D3 schools) at the position should make things interesting.  Will be interesting to see if Horn still has four years of eligibility since he never saw the field at ACU.

Trinity's roster for the upcoming season has been posted (https://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/roster).   The two transfer QBs above are both listed as first-years on the roster so must have redshirted at their respective institutions.  A third transfer at QB has been revealed - Will Chaney, who is listed on the 2017 UMHB roster but not the 2018 (though I found some tweets saying he threw at least a couple of TDs for the Cru JV last season).   Going to be very interesting to see what Kickoff has to say about this in a couple of weeks.   

Chaney looked the real deal coming out of HS. He throws a good ball and can run as well. I didn't get to see him play a lot at UMHB, but I believe he could be a good pickup for Trinity if their starter from last year is nursing an injury.

In the same vein of QB transfers, Kyle Jones, who started some for UMHB in 17 and got some playing time in the Stagg when CR3 was not getting it done has transferred to Hardin-Simmons from Texas Tech. Of course, HSU also received a transfer from TCU, so we'll see what the story is there. Zai Zai Smith, the backup for Jaquan Hemphill, is now listed as a DE.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on August 28, 2019, 07:54:26 AM
Quote from: C6H0colonels on August 20, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
Does anyone have an update on Justice from Berry?

Justus Edwards is the young man with the neck/spine injury last year.  He continues to be involved with the team.  He still uses the wheelchair mostly, but I have seen him stand and understand his rehab continues slowly.  He is a strong young man.  Thank you for your concern in asking.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2019, 04:36:36 PM
Was looking at the Trinity roster again today and noticed a bit of an oddity:  three-time soccer All-American Austin Michaelis is listed at DE DB.  Don't know if he'll see any time on the field but there has to be a story there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on September 01, 2019, 10:00:21 AM
Anyone know who the QB for Trinity will be starting week 1? I'm interested in seeing where Will Chaney falls. Former Cru Hopefull transferred about this time last year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2019, 07:54:51 PM
All indications are it's last year's starter, Wyatt Messex, one of the team co-captains.   No idea yet what the pecking order is among the six others.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2019, 11:47:02 AM
As we open a new season,  anyone interested in the history of the game should check out the debut of a new series on the history of the SEC that's debuting tonight (9/3/2019) on the SEC network.   Tonight's episode features  the beginnings of the game and will cover Sewanee's 1899 team.  That team went undefeated, had only a single touchdown scored on them by the John Heisman (yes, that Heisman) coached Auburn Tigers, and had greatest road trip ever, defeating Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, Tulane, and Ole Miss on a six-day road trip by train through the South.

https://www.secsports.com/article/27522768/saturdays-south-debut-tuesday-sec-network?fbclid=IwAR0EFvxQxe3YU7DH3ucOENxg_TMKa0uiJNHkRZHQNkmRjHyqfiH06AVESew
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 03, 2019, 04:04:43 PM
looks like it is going to be a nice weekend for football, maybe a bit warm in some places.  I can't wait to see what 2019 brings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on September 03, 2019, 05:52:36 PM
Hey you Berry guys

You had a pretty good season last year. How about a repeat? Maybe, a little better even.
Good luck on the season. Have fun, play hard and we'll see you in the playoffs. 
GO VIKINGS!  8-)  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2019, 06:53:11 PM
Two more from The Mountain:

2019 Rosters: https://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/roster

We've signed a deal with VICIS helmets to outfit our team.   First team in D3 to use these helmets: https://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20190816mhkhn9
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on September 05, 2019, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2019, 04:36:36 PM
Was looking at the Trinity roster again today and noticed a bit of an oddity:  three-time soccer All-American Austin Michaelis is listed at DE DB.  Don't know if he'll see any time on the field but there has to be a story there.

Well... THAT is interesting. I'm stunned it's as DB and not kicker. I'd be willing to bet he could be turned into one hell of a kicker, and not just because of the recent Carli Lloyd stuff. Last year's Lou Groza winner was a soccer player before transitioning to football for his senior year of high school, for example. And clearly, not an All-American like Michaelis.
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Post by: awadelewis on September 05, 2019, 05:30:10 PM
New season.  The only time of the year when everyone in the conference is tied for first place.

Games for Sept. 7th, 2019:
McMurry at Trinity
Belhaven at Millsaps
Centre at Hanover
Berry at Maryville
Howard Payne at Austin College
Southwestern (Tex.) at Sewanee
B-SC at LaGrange
Lyon at Hendrix
Rhodes at Illinois College

The games that interest me the most in this week's slate:   McMurry at Trinity and Berry at Maryville.     
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2019, 07:12:24 PM
Quote from: jekelish on September 05, 2019, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2019, 04:36:36 PM
Was looking at the Trinity roster again today and noticed a bit of an oddity:  three-time soccer All-American Austin Michaelis is listed at DE DB.  Don't know if he'll see any time on the field but there has to be a story there.

Well... THAT is interesting. I'm stunned it's as DB and not kicker. I'd be willing to bet he could be turned into one hell of a kicker, and not just because of the recent Carli Lloyd stuff. Last year's Lou Groza winner was a soccer player before transitioning to football for his senior year of high school, for example. And clearly, not an All-American like Michaelis.


They've done this with soccer players before (turned them into PKs) with some success.   Did a little digging; Michaelis was a two-sport guy in HS, hard to believe that he could get up to speed fast enough to make a contribution at a skill position after laying out for four years.   But he obviously has athletic skills, so we'll see.

Quote from: awadelewis on September 03, 2019, 06:53:11 PM
Two more from The Mountain:

2019 Rosters: https://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/roster

We've signed a deal with VICIS helmets to outfit our team.   First team in D3 to use these helmets: https://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20190816mhkhn9

I'd never heard of VICIS before your post; the TU equipment guys just tweeted out (https://twitter.com/TrinityTX_Equip/status/1169682147462004737) "Happy to be on board and having some of the guys on the field with these [VICIS] beauties all season and many more to come".
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: KentATM on September 05, 2019, 08:56:06 PM
Noticed there is an SAA app for Roku and decided to check out the Millsaps game.  I get that this is probably a student shooting the game but my god this is some of the worst camera work I have ever seen in my life.  Seems like the camera is on a tripod that can't get the near corner of the endzone during game play because the camera is zoomed in too far (but did pull wide enough to show the team leave the field at halftime lol), the person keeps randomly zooming in way too quickly during plays instead of gradually pushing in and out, and they can't follow the ball on passing plays to save their life.  It's nice to have some free SAA football but goodness this kid needs some serious practice with their camera work.

Also, does anyone know why Austin College and Trinity aren't represented on the app?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 05, 2019, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2019, 07:12:24 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 03, 2019, 06:53:11 PM
Two more from The Mountain:

2019 Rosters: https://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/roster

We've signed a deal with VICIS helmets to outfit our team.   First team in D3 to use these helmets: https://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20190816mhkhn9

I'd never heard of VICIS before your post; the TU equipment guys just tweeted out (https://twitter.com/TrinityTX_Equip/status/1169682147462004737) "Happy to be on board and having some of the guys on the field with these [VICIS] beauties all season and many more to come".

They're a startup backed by a group of current and former NFL players.   Have gotten some good press in last few years.    Sewanee did a limited pilot with them last season and was pleased enough to sign a contract for our entire team.    Looks like Trinity is doing same.  Good to see anything that improves safety for the kids on the field.  Glad to hear that Trinity is giving them a test.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2019, 10:06:15 PM
Quote from: KentATM on September 05, 2019, 08:56:06 PM
Noticed there is an SAA app for Roku and decided to check out the Millsaps game.  I get that this is probably a student shooting the game but my god this is some of the worst camera work I have ever seen in my life.  Seems like the camera is on a tripod that can't get the near corner of the endzone during game play because the camera is zoomed in too far (but did pull wide enough to show the team leave the field at halftime lol), the person keeps randomly zooming in way too quickly during plays instead of gradually pushing in and out, and they can't follow the ball on passing plays to save their life.  It's nice to have some free SAA football but goodness this kid needs some serious practice with their camera work.

Also, does anyone know why Austin College and Trinity aren't represented on the app?

My guess is that the SAA has something going for full members that doesn't apply to associates AC and TU.  The SCAC just announced a streaming deal with PrestoSports that will include some sort of app later in the year.  TUs in-house stream is quite good until then.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: KentATM on September 05, 2019, 10:22:58 PM
QuoteMy guess is that the SAA has something going for full members that doesn't apply to associates AC and TU.  The SCAC just announced a streaming deal with PrestoSports that will include some sort of app later in the year.  TUs in-house stream is quite good until then.

Thanks much for the info.  The Millsaps feed wouldn't be bad if the cameraman would just go with a wider shot during the action.  Maybe he'll get better after reviewing the tape. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 06, 2019, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 05, 2019, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2019, 07:12:24 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 03, 2019, 06:53:11 PM
Two more from The Mountain:

2019 Rosters: https://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/roster

We've signed a deal with VICIS helmets to outfit our team.   First team in D3 to use these helmets: https://www.sewaneetigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20190816mhkhn9

I'd never heard of VICIS before your post; the TU equipment guys just tweeted out (https://twitter.com/TrinityTX_Equip/status/1169682147462004737) "Happy to be on board and having some of the guys on the field with these [VICIS] beauties all season and many more to come".

They're a startup backed by a group of current and former NFL players.   Have gotten some good press in last few years.    Sewanee did a limited pilot with them last season and was pleased enough to sign a contract for our entire team.    Looks like Trinity is doing same.  Good to see anything that improves safety for the kids on the field.  Glad to hear that Trinity is giving them a test.

It's supposed to be a heck of a helmet. Performs great in the tests that are run both by the company and the independent one the NFL runs. The problem comes up when you start thinking about spending $500 to $1000 on a helmet to try and save a kid's brain, it makes people start to wonder what is wrong with the sport fundamentally. It's nice colleges and certainly the NFL are ponying up, but Vicis is making the case to pee wee football as well. That gets expensive in a hurry as kids grow and it really makes people asks questions. My h.s. here in AL had to start a flag football league for the first time ever after enrollment in tackle football in elementary and middle school age kids dropped 40% over 3 years. Probably didn't help when people then started referring to the flag football league as a "gateway drug"...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 06, 2019, 03:47:31 PM
A fun video of Trinity WR Tommy Lavine chasing down a McMurry DB/LB (edit: LB) literally across the field to save a TD on a return after McMurry intercepted a Trinity pass at their own goal line last night.   Pass went to the left flat; Levine was lined up wide right and in the right end zone as the pass was thrown.  Lavine actually went around the blockers to tackle the runner from the front. 

https://twitter.com/Boycediggety13/status/1170006534505598977

Trinity won the game 41-10 as Wyatt Messex was 18-25 for 250 yards and 5 TDs (and the one interception) in 2 1/2 quarters.  Chris Stewart had three of those TD catches, one for 86 yards the play after McM had been stopped on a 4th-and-goal.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2019, 10:33:25 PM
Thanks Jeremy!

I hope that that play is submitted for Play of the Week!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2019, 10:40:25 PM
We don't do a Play of the Week anymore, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2019, 08:33:51 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2019, 10:33:25 PM
Thanks Jeremy!

I hope that that play is submitted for Play of the Week!

Jeremy?  Who dat?   ;)

Been an odd week for names, have some guy at work calling me Ben repeatedly for no reason, too.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2019, 12:43:45 AM
Well, in this case, I'm guessing Jeremy is Jeremy Boyce, who done the tweeting.
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Post by: BerryViking92 on September 09, 2019, 08:28:20 AM
I was  able to attend the Berry game at Maryville on Saturday.  Just a few random thoughts:

1.  Pretty good crowd for both sides.
2. The Maryville campus looked nice ... 200th Anniversary is impressive.
3.  It was massively hot.  I only remember one kid cramping.  Was not a fan of the new can't leave and be let back in policy.  Last time I was up there it was raining and I spent halftime in the gym.  I would have found some a/c, but we toughed it out.
4.  #12 looks really good and had himself a first half.
5.  Very cool to see freshman qb throw a bomb for a TD
6.  Our running game is very young.
7.  A bit concerned about us generating points outside of #12
8.  Defense was not quick to get to their qb, I think the last couple of years spoiled us as to sacks
9.  Seems the injury bug bit us some in preseason.
10.  Was surprised about a couple of last year's freshmen who are no longer on the team.

Good win and best of luck to Maryville on the season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2019, 09:11:15 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2019, 12:43:45 AM
Well, in this case, I'm guessing Jeremy is Jeremy Boyce, who done the tweeting.

<insert redfaced.gif>  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 10, 2019, 03:09:10 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on September 09, 2019, 08:28:20 AM
I was  able to attend the Berry game at Maryville on Saturday.  Just a few random thoughts:

1.  Pretty good crowd for both sides.
2. The Maryville campus looked nice ... 200th Anniversary is impressive.
3.  It was massively hot.  I only remember one kid cramping.  Was not a fan of the new can't leave and be let back in policy.  Last time I was up there it was raining and I spent halftime in the gym.  I would have found some a/c, but we toughed it out.
4.  #12 looks really good and had himself a first half.
5.  Very cool to see freshman qb throw a bomb for a TD
6.  Our running game is very young.
7.  A bit concerned about us generating points outside of #12
8.  Defense was not quick to get to their qb, I think the last couple of years spoiled us as to sacks
9.  Seems the injury bug bit us some in preseason.
10.  Was surprised about a couple of last year's freshmen who are no longer on the team.

Good win and best of luck to Maryville on the season.

Maryville was bracketing #12 pretty good,  over the top safety help as well at times.  So his chances were limited by design, I suspect that'll be game plan from most this year.

I thought QBs looked rushed at times.  Clear starter, but back-up is less certain.  #2 had a pretty ball, but his drives weren't sustained as they should have been.

Still had other receivers catch some balls in traffic.  The RBs are inexperienced, but they run hard and take contact well.  I think they will be well.  I thought the HBs did a good job blocking and running routes this game.  Freshman #87 wold have had a TD except for the pass interference. 

Lagrange will be another test.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 10, 2019, 03:54:24 PM
Berry has a 2019 Allstate AFCA Good Works Team nominee.

https://berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/hayden_murphy_afca_good_works_2019

Congratulations #47

I also see Millsaps player Alvin Joseph on the list.
https://www.afca.com/inspiring-acts-of-kindness-land-college-football-players-on-2019-allstate-afca-good-works-team-nominee-list/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 14, 2019, 12:12:57 PM
Today's slate of games:
Sewanee @ W&L
Millsaps @ Westminster (of the Mo. sort)
LaGrange @ Berry
Maryville (of the TN sort) @ Centre
Austin @ Southwestern Assemblies of God
Trinity @ Hardin-Simmons
Hendrix @ Texas Luthern
Huntingdon @ Birmingham Southern
Rose-Hulman @ Rhodes

Interested in seeing how both the LaGrange@Berry and Maryville@Centre games turn out. Two games that will give a good read on both the Berry and Centre squads. The Sewanee/W&L series has a history of being rather chippy but I fear that we'll see another notch added to dominance the Generals have had over us during the past two decades.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2019, 09:57:20 PM
Trinity gives #9 Hardin-Simmons a run before falling at their place, 16-10.  Should be good prep for Berry next weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 15, 2019, 02:05:09 PM
Week 2 results:
W&L 42 -Sewanee 7
Millsaps 35 - Westminster (of the Mo. sort) 10
Berry 34 - LaGrange 9
Centre 27 - Maryville (of the TN sort) 22
Austin 27 - Southwestern Assemblies of God 26
Hardin-Simmons 16 Trinity 10
Hendrix 26 - Texas Lutheran 23
Birmingham Southern 45 - Huntingdon 13
Rose-Hulman 30 - Rhodes 0

Berry really didn't have any issue with LaGrange. but Centre had to suck it up and overcome being down early to Maryville.   Trinity lost a tough one to H-SU and AC came back from double double-digit deficits to beat SWAG.

Conference play starts next week with the game of the week definitely being Berry at Trinity.   Other games: Centre @ Austin, Rhodes @ Millsaps, and B-SC at Sewanee.   Anyone watch Millsaps play this year as they went 2-0 in non-conference play? 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2019, 05:00:44 PM
IMHO, I think that Trinity wins it all, 9 weeks from now.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2019, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2019, 05:00:44 PM
IMHO, I think that Trinity wins it all, 9 weeks from now.

If that's the case, we will know next Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 15, 2019, 08:22:33 PM
I'd say two weeks as Trinity gets to go Danville to play Centre after they get Berry at home.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2019, 10:19:35 PM
What a gauntlet for Trinity.

HSU, Berry, Centre!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 16, 2019, 07:26:22 AM
Good win for Berry.  The stat of the game to me is the fact that we played FIVE qbs. WR #13 is looking really good, a very nice compliment to # 12.  Injuries remain a concern heading into a very difficult game this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2019, 08:40:48 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2019, 10:19:35 PM
What a gauntlet for Trinity.

HSU, Berry, Centre!

Yup.  I know the Berry contingent isn't happy about going to SA two years in a row (nor can I blame them) but Trinity having to open the SAA schedule with the two teams at the top of the conference for the foreseeable future is tough. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 16, 2019, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2019, 08:40:48 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2019, 10:19:35 PM
What a gauntlet for Trinity.

HSU, Berry, Centre!

Yup.  I know the Berry contingent isn't happy about going to SA two years in a row (nor can I blame them) but Trinity having to open the SAA schedule with the two teams at the top of the conference for the foreseeable future is tough.

Centre got the break in the schedule.  They get both Berry and Trinity at home this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 17, 2019, 09:00:10 AM
Looks like there might be some chances of thundershowers Sat afternoon in San Antonio.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on September 17, 2019, 12:50:00 PM

Berry fans

Seems like a couple of years ago, I never heard of Berry College. Different now!
Had a good year last year, making the playoffs. This year, have 2 wins already and some Top 25 ranking. Good luck for the rest of the season. It's always nice seeing some "new kids on the block" getting recognition. Of course, it's also nice seeing "one of the old guys" still around (like in the case of Mount Union). Go Vikings!  8-)  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2019, 01:42:47 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 17, 2019, 09:00:10 AM
Looks like there might be some chances of thundershowers Sat afternoon in San Antonio.

The tropical depression that was going to be the source of most of the precipitation has decided to go due north and probably flood Houston.  San Antonio probably won't see much of anything, kind of like a number of years ago when a hurricane was going to hit the coast; the SCAC-deciding game between DePauw and Trinity was called off several days early, and it was sunny and 90 at game time as the storm proceeded north and east of SA.  The western and especially W/SW sides of storms rarely result in much when a storm hits the Texas coast. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on September 17, 2019, 07:02:43 PM
Week 3 of #SAA conference should present no surprises.

Centre by 21 over Austin, Berry by 7 over Trinity (TX), Birmingham-So by 7 over Sewanee and Millsaps by 7 over Rhodes.

Go Colonels!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on September 17, 2019, 10:37:31 PM
Quote from: Cedricb313 on September 17, 2019, 07:02:43 PM
Week 3 of #SAA conference should present no surprises.

Centre by 21 over Austin, Berry by 7 over Trinity (TX), Birmingham-So by 7 over Sewanee and Millsaps by 7 over Rhodes.

Go Colonels!

I'll take your 7 but Trinity will win.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 18, 2019, 10:37:25 AM
The Trinity/ Berry game is going to be interesting.  Trinity definitely looks the best so far.  That Hardin-Simmons game was impressive even though it was a 2 point loss.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2019, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 18, 2019, 10:37:25 AM
The Trinity/ Berry game is going to be interesting.  Trinity definitely looks the best so far.  That Hardin-Simmons game was impressive even though it was a 2 point loss.

I think for Trinity to win they will have to do a better job establishing the run game than they have to date.  They don't need to have guys going off for 100-yard games (even tho that would be nice) - but they do need to give Messex a chance against a potent Berry rush.   

It'll be warm Saturday with temps around 90 at kickoff.   Berry folks, you'll be facing the sun until it sets unless there is some cloud cover, so bring a visor or ballcap.   Usually have a bit of the breeze in the early evening which will help some. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 19, 2019, 10:30:19 AM
thanks for the warning on the sun.  It will be a good game.

looking forward to the trip.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2019, 04:41:35 PM
Huge upset in Sherman where Austin gets their biggest win in years, upsetting Centre 20-13 despite 198 yards on the ground from Patric Edwards.  Edwards had 201, driving the ball to the AC 1 with under a minute left, but the 'Roo defense stopped him twice for consecutive losses and a fourth down pass was incomplete.   Does that ever put today's Berry-Trinity winner in the driver's seat after week 1 of conference play.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on September 21, 2019, 04:42:32 PM
Austin 20, Centre 13. :-(
Go Colonels!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: roocru on September 21, 2019, 04:43:20 PM
AC beat Centre 20-13. The Roos stop the colonels with a goal line stand starting with first and goal from the AC 5 yard line. The Roos  took over with 2 seconds left on the clock.   Congrats to my Roos!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 21, 2019, 05:24:13 PM
Good win for AC. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on September 21, 2019, 06:58:29 PM
Big day for 'Roo QB Colt Collins. Broke a 59 year old record for career total offense. 295 yards of total offense today and accounted for all three AC touchdowns.

Arguably the two biggest plays came down to 4th and 4, both in the fourth quarter: AC's final touchdown (which ended up being the difference) came on 4th and 4, and then the final play for Centre was 4th and goal (from the 4), broken up in the endzone.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2019, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 21, 2019, 04:43:20 PM
AC beat Centre 20-13. The Roos stop the colonels with a goal line stand starting with first and goal from the AC 5 yard line. The Roos  took over with 2 seconds left on the clock.   Congrats to my Roos!
Break up the Roos!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2019, 09:34:50 PM
A fumble at the Berry 20, a failed 4th down at the Berry 5, and a late interception near midfield on Trinity's final drive were too much to overcome as Berry comes away with a 14-10 win to avenge last year's regular-season ending loss.  Congratulations to the Vikings and their fans.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 23, 2019, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2019, 09:34:50 PM
A fumble at the Berry 20, a failed 4th down at the Berry 5, and a late interception near midfield on Trinity's final drive were too much to overcome as Berry comes away with a 14-10 win to avenge last year's regular-season ending loss.  Congratulations to the Vikings and their fans.


We were discussing several similar items,  Berry had a few fumbles and miscues as well.  They missed on a few open receivers streaking open...  But we came to the conclusion that we thought it was both defenses simply making the plays for both teams.  It was a very exciting game for sure.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 23, 2019, 08:52:14 AM
Quote from: roocru on September 21, 2019, 04:43:20 PM
AC beat Centre 20-13. The Roos stop the colonels with a goal line stand starting with first and goal from the AC 5 yard line. The Roos  took over with 2 seconds left on the clock.   Congrats to my Roos!


Exciting game for Austin.  I think this result sent shockwaves through the conference.  I know in San Antonio there was quite a buzz about it.


Trinity visits Centre next week, that should be a hard hitting game.  I expect both teams to be ready for this one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2019, 10:28:27 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 23, 2019, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2019, 09:34:50 PM
A fumble at the Berry 20, a failed 4th down at the Berry 5, and a late interception near midfield on Trinity's final drive were too much to overcome as Berry comes away with a 14-10 win to avenge last year's regular-season ending loss.  Congratulations to the Vikings and their fans.


We were discussing several similar items,  Berry had a few fumbles and miscues as well.  They missed on a few open receivers streaking open...  But we came to the conclusion that we thought it was both defenses simply making the plays for both teams.  It was a very exciting game for sure.

No doubt, such as your fumble early around the TU 10.  Glad you were able to make it to the game and wish you and your team well the rest of the way!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 23, 2019, 12:09:21 PM
Good win for Berry.  A ugly win is still a win.  Hats off to Trinity, most likely the best 1-2 team in the country.  Sets up an interesting weekend.  Huge game between Trinity and Centre, very important to both teams.  Hard to win this conference with 2 league losses.  And we get Millsaps (I think, will go back and check). We also seem to get their best shot and frankly have gotten lucky a few times the last few games against them.

Glad to see #10 back.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on September 23, 2019, 01:15:30 PM

Congrats to Berry on win number 3. This guy from Ohio wishes you good luck on the season. Go Vikings.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 23, 2019, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2019, 10:28:27 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 23, 2019, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2019, 09:34:50 PM
A fumble at the Berry 20, a failed 4th down at the Berry 5, and a late interception near midfield on Trinity's final drive were too much to overcome as Berry comes away with a 14-10 win to avenge last year's regular-season ending loss.  Congratulations to the Vikings and their fans.


We were discussing several similar items,  Berry had a few fumbles and miscues as well.  They missed on a few open receivers streaking open...  But we came to the conclusion that we thought it was both defenses simply making the plays for both teams.  It was a very exciting game for sure.

No doubt, such as your fumble early around the TU 10.  Glad you were able to make it to the game and wish you and your team well the rest of the way!
Still can't believe Berry let Trinity complete a Hail Mary TD again this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 24, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
What's the story with Rhodes this season?  0-3 and has only scored a single TD...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on September 24, 2019, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on September 24, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
What's the story with Rhodes this season?  0-3 and has only scored a single TD...

Their all world QB graduated and they, to my opinion, under performed last year with him
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on September 26, 2019, 07:02:44 PM
Wk 4 SAA-FB predictions
CEN 24 TRIN 21, BER 30 MIL 10, RHO 21 SEW 20 and BSC 31 HEN 28. AUS idle. Looking forward to wk 6.
#Colonels #SAA #d3fb
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2019, 03:02:37 PM
Ugly doesn't begin to describe the game between Trinity and Centre,where neither QB could find their targets consistently; both ended with exactly 96 yards passing.   The teams combined for six turnovers.  The difference in the game came early, when a Centre punt deep in their end was blocked and returned for a score.   

After combining for 30 points in the first half, the only score in the second was a Centre field goal midway through the fourth quarter.  The Colonels had two chances to tie the game late, but Trinity forced and recovered a fumble after Centre had driven into Trinity territory with a little over three minutes to play, and sealed the deal (after Centre had blocked a game-clinching field goal attempt with under a minute to play) with an interception after a heave to the Trinity 25.   Trinity 20, Centre 13.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on September 28, 2019, 03:07:02 PM
CEN falls to TRIN, 20-13. CEN Qb fumble at TRIN 29 and TRIN recovers at the 3:29 mark of 4th qtr to seal the game. CEN still hasn't found the player leadership required to win. Maybe next week.😉

#GoGold #Colonels #d3fb
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on September 28, 2019, 03:11:50 PM
CEN searching for leadership amongst the team. Still MIA. 😉
#Colonels #CentreFootball #d3fb
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 28, 2019, 04:03:15 PM
Was able to catch the 1Q and part of the 2Q of the Trinity-Centre game before the SAA app rolled over and died on me.   It looked like both teams were playing with the mindset of "who least wanted to lose vs. who most wanted to win".

Berry is only up 3-0 against Millsaps at the start of the third.     

And that "School By The Zoo" is up 14-3 against my Tigers early in the 3Q.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 28, 2019, 04:07:05 PM
And then Berry puts up two touchdowns to move to 17-0 with 6:33 left in the 3Q.

And, goodness gracious, just what is Stretch Internet using for content distribution?   The feed of the BC-MIL game spends more time spinning trying to load than it does actually playing the feed.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2019, 04:21:15 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 28, 2019, 04:07:05 PM
And then Berry puts up two touchdowns to move to 17-0 with 6:33 left in the 3Q.

And, goodness gracious, just what is Stretch Internet using for content distribution?   The feed of the BC-MIL game spends more time spinning trying to load than it does actually playing the feed.

So it wasn't just me.  I eventually gave up on the Centre-TU video for the same reason.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 28, 2019, 04:31:39 PM
I ended up having to switch to a wired connection on my work network rather than my home network.   And still wasn't able to get the feed to behave until I tweaked some QoS settings in my production router.

That said... Millsaps is trying to get something going but they're still down two scores at 17-7 with 13:25 in the 4Q.   Berry may be able to put the game away if they get a sustained drive going with this possession.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2019, 08:35:09 PM
I know Stretch was working actively on figuring out its CDN or server issues during the afternoon and by the time the CT games hit the fourth quarter, everything I watched was humming.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2019, 08:45:14 AM
Rhodes gets into the win column against Sewanee, 14-3.   The Lynx outgained the Tigers 406-182 in a game with only two turnovers despite the two teams combining to put the ball on the ground eight times. 

In a game where the offensive outputs were surprisingly even (314-309), Berry eased past Millsaps 31-14.    Neither Viking starting QB Heath Burchfield (5-23, 1 TD, 109 yards of which 69 came on one play) or Gavin Gray (6-13 for 59 & a score) were terribly effective, but five turnovers by Millsaps (against none by Berry) were the Majors' downfall.

Hendrix surprised B-SC, 34-24, but it was Kip Vanhoose's rushing, rather than the passing of Miles Thompson, which led Hendrix to victory.   Vanhoose amassed 214 yards rushing on only 17 carries and is a likely choice for conference offensive POTW.   His 74-yard TD run came a couple of plays after B-SC had closed to within 3 with just over a minute left in the first half.   That said, Thompson was no slouch on the ground himself, adding 76 yards (and a 41-yard scoring run) to the 154 gained through the air.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 30, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2019, 08:45:14 AM
In a game where the offensive outputs were surprisingly even (314-309), Berry eased past Millsaps 31-14.    Neither Viking starting QB Heath Burchfield (5-23, 1 TD, 109 yards of which 69 came on one play) or Gavin Gray (6-13 for 59 & a score) were terribly effective, but five turnovers by Millsaps (against none by Berry) were the Majors' downfall.


Not sure what was going on, but both teams' QBs were off just a little on their passes, usually just a bit high.  Also several WRs dropped passes that were in their hands, again both teams.  It was very hot and humid, so it could have been sweaty hands affecting the grip of the ball. 

Millsaps had a great defensive first half.  Their punter kept Berry pinned deep on several drives.  They tipped a FG attempt once after an early fumble recovery.

Those 2 TDs at the start of the second half changed the complexion of the game.  First play from Berry was a long TD, then on the Majors first drive, a Pick 6.  Made the game 17-0 and really took the game away from Millsaps.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on September 30, 2019, 12:16:23 PM
Hey, Berry fans

You guys are having fun down there, aren't you?  4 - 0 to start the season? Although I'm way up here in Ohio, I am keeping track of your progress. You have a fan here.
Good luck from here on out. Go Vikings! 8-)  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2019, 10:15:00 AM
h/t to @d3football via twitter:  Centre's Dallas Douglas '23 performing on drums as part of the "Kentucky Ensemble" minutes before taking the field:  https://twitter.com/CentreC/status/1179134976958353408
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 02, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
D3 football at its best.  fully engaged in campus life/activities.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 04, 2019, 12:32:33 PM
Saturday's schedule

Centre @ Millsaps
Berry @ Sewanee
Austin @ Trinity
Rhodes @ Hendrix

Birmingham off
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on October 05, 2019, 05:56:24 PM
Good game in the blazing sun in San Antonio today. Closer than the final 52-35 score would indicate between Trinity and AC with the Tigers coming out on top. Game of spurts, with Trinity taking a 14-2 lead then AC going on top 15-14. Trinity then got another little run, taking a 28-15 lead before the 'Roos tied it up. Trinity THEN jumped ahead 38-28, the 'Roos cut it to 38-35 but Trinity got its final run over the last 9 minutes to pull away.

This was definitely a game where the Trinity special teams, other than a missed field goal, arguably won it. Fake field goal for a TD, blocked punt that led to a touchdown, and a blocked PAT.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2019, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: jekelish on October 05, 2019, 05:56:24 PM
Good game in the blazing sun in San Antonio today. Closer than the final 52-35 score would indicate between Trinity and AC with the Tigers coming out on top. Game of spurts, with Trinity taking a 14-2 lead then AC going on top 15-14. Trinity then got another little run, taking a 28-15 lead before the 'Roos tied it up. Trinity THEN jumped ahead 38-28, the 'Roos cut it to 38-35 but Trinity got its final run over the last 9 minutes to pull away.

This was definitely a game where the Trinity special teams, other than a missed field goal, arguably won it. Fake field goal for a TD, blocked punt that led to a touchdown, and a blocked PAT.

Agree.  Trinity return teams also gave them great field position.   Your QB Collins hit some huge passes after the first quarter - and AC put more points on Trinity than HSU and Berry combined!

The tide finally turned IMO in the second when TU started having some success running the ball, which took the edge off the 'Roo rush that was blowing up the Tiger passing scheme.  That, and rolling Messex out and away from Nichols who had been a monster.

Hope all your guys are OK, saw a lot of them down but hopefully was mostly cramps/heat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 05, 2019, 07:00:28 PM
Centre lost in OT at Millsaps this afternoon while Berry put the expected beat down on my Tigers today with a 55-0 win at Sewanee.

At the mid-point of the season, Berry still has to play Hendrix, @B-SC, Rhodes, @Centre, and Austin.    Schedule is favorable but I'm not convinced they'll win out against the remainder of the table.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: shepherd on October 05, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
Pat,
TLU beat Hardin Simmons and Hendrix beat TLU.
Since I now live in Hot Springs AR 1 hour away from Conway I thought I would give a shout out for Hendrix who went from 2-8 in 2018 to 4-0 in 2019.
Perhaps they are one of those 4-0 teams of significance possible conference title?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 05, 2019, 10:09:31 PM
Hendrix is just now getting into the tough part of their schedule with games @Berry, Centre, @Austin, Trinity, @Millsaps, and Sewanee in the second half of the season.  Let's see y'all do next week on the road at Berry.    Getting Trinity at home helps but for this season it looks like both AC and Millsaps are going to be tough places to play.   Very easily see y'all go 2-4 or 1-5 in the second half of the season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 06, 2019, 10:28:51 AM

Congrats Berry

You guys just keep rolling along. Keep it up!  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Quote from: Go Thunder on October 05, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
Pat,
TLU beat Hardin Simmons and Hendrix beat TLU.
Since I now live in Hot Springs AR 1 hour away from Conway I thought I would give a shout out for Hendrix who went from 2-8 in 2018 to 4-0 in 2019.
Perhaps they are one of those 4-0 teams of significance possible conference title?

I know they will be getting at least a handful of Top 25 votes this week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 06, 2019, 12:26:14 PM
Quote from: Go Thunder on October 05, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
Pat,
TLU beat Hardin Simmons and Hendrix beat TLU.
Since I now live in Hot Springs AR 1 hour away from Conway I thought I would give a shout out for Hendrix who went from 2-8 in 2018 to 4-0 in 2019.
Perhaps they are one of those 4-0 teams of significance possible conference title?

Won't have to wait long to find out.  Hendrix @ Berry on Saturday. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 07, 2019, 01:38:53 PM
Hendrix resume is impressive this season.  It will be another battle for Berry Saturday.

If Berry doesn't clean up a lot of their mistakes from last weekend, they will find this game a loss.


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2019, 08:28:57 AM
Congrats to Austin College LB Keegan Nichols, named to the D3football.com Team of the Week (https://www.d3football.com/awards/tow/2019/week5) for his play last weekend.  15 tackles (11 solo), 4 for loss (including 2 sacks) and an interception ain't bad.

Congrats also to Millsaps' DE Liam Vincifora, 4.5 TFL (3 sacks), a QBH and a forced fumble, the SAA's other TotW honoree.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2019, 09:33:36 AM
In terms of SAA weekly awards (https://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20191007nin8ul), Trinity's Tommy Lavine (11 receptions for 153 yards and two TDs) was named Offensive PoTW; Millsaps' Vincifora somewhat surprisingly IMO named Defensive PoTW; Hendrix' Sandy Burks (2/3 FG including a 48-yarder against Rhodes) the Special Teams PoTW. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 09, 2019, 08:08:25 PM
Week 6 SAA FB predictions
HEN 17 BER 31, SEW 14 CEN 42, BSC 17  RHO 7 & MIL 28 ACU 21.
CEN HC said at beginning of season, "This OL was best CEN OL he's seen." Maybe that OL he was speaking of shows up the next (5) five games.
#SAA #d3fb #GoldRush
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2019, 08:49:28 PM
Hendrix featured in this week's Brian Lester column (https://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2019/hendrix-thompson-back).  The weekend matchup with Berry gets a mention.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 11, 2019, 09:35:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2019, 08:49:28 PM
Hendrix featured in this week's Brian Lester column (https://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2019/hendrix-thompson-back).  The weekend matchup with Berry gets a mention.
Sounds like containing him is going to be difficult.  Limiting his chances is going to be the best plan.  He's going to make some plays, can the Vikings make more?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 12, 2019, 05:06:04 PM
CEN 24 SEW 21 F, BER 27 HEN 9 F, BSU 46 RHO 7 F & ACU 20 MIL 7 F
#GoldRush #d3fb #Colonels
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on October 12, 2019, 05:06:34 PM
Austin College tops Millsaps 20-7 in one of the most lopsided "close" games you'll ever see. 'Roos ran 95 plays, Millsaps had 47. Total yards was AC 485, Millsaps 199. Austin College held the ball for nearly 41 minutes. 34 first downs for AC, only 11 for the Majors.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 14, 2019, 07:35:59 AM
Very, very nice win for Berry on Saturday.  I was able to attend, so my few thoughts:

1.  Hendrix is quite good.  Their offense is a bit of a one trick pony, but wow the pony, #5, has some impressive tricks.
2.  Berry's #12 Kinsey is a stud.  Quite a game.
3.  Our defense did a great job keeping Hendrix out of the end zone and pressuring the QB.  Sacks were big.  D looks solid.
4.  Our special teams were special.  Blocked field goal, 2 for 2 on our field goals including I think one of record breaking length.  Kick off returned for a touchdown.  Any of these things will win you a game...
5.  Only complaint is with the conference scheduling gurus.  We get no home game on Mountain Day (homecoming) and then get to play the latest "game of the year" while all of the students are gone for fall break.  Boo to someone.
6.  Up to # 7 is really amazing.  Coaches have this thing rolling.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 14, 2019, 07:41:24 AM
And I should also add the injury to #10 was really unfortunate and something I hated to witness.  Hope he is ok.  Injuries to the receivers have hit hard this season.  #10 is one of our best.  Losing him for any length of time will hurt.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2019, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 14, 2019, 07:41:24 AM
And I should also add the injury to #10 was really unfortunate and something I hated to witness.  Hope he is ok.  Injuries to the receivers have hit hard this season.  #10 is one of our best.  Losing him for any length of time will hurt.

I think that makes 3 knee injuries so far this year.  2 non-contact.

Get well soon to each one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2019, 02:07:24 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 14, 2019, 07:35:59 AM
Very, very nice win for Berry on Saturday.  I was able to attend, so my few thoughts:

1.  Hendrix is quite good.  Their offense is a bit of a one trick pony, but wow the pony, #5, has some impressive tricks.
2.  Berry's #12 Kinsey is a stud.  Quite a game.
3.  Our defense did a great job keeping Hendrix out of the end zone and pressuring the QB.  Sacks were big.  D looks solid.
4.  Our special teams were special.  Blocked field goal, 2 for 2 on our field goals including I think one of record breaking length.  Kick off returned for a touchdown.  Any of these things will win you a game...
5.  Only complaint is with the conference scheduling gurus.  We get no home game on Mountain Day (homecoming) and then get to play the latest "game of the year" while all of the students are gone for fall break.  Boo to someone.
6.  Up to # 7 is really amazing.  Coaches have this thing rolling.

Hendrix is a much better team than last season.  They are a good team.  I was surprised to se the Berry D hold their running game down.   Plus the sacks,  I think the lack of running forced Hendrix into some passing situations that helped the defense dial up the pressure.  Hendrix did make plays, but always made a mistake or Berry made a play in the red-zone.  Holding them to 3 FGs in 4 possible scoring situations was huge.

Conference scheduling is always tough, I talked with Coach K before the season started about this schedule change.  His biggest desire was the alternating travel, H/A schedule.  He was willing to give up a few things to make that happen.  Last season with 3 long trips in a row was tough on the team.  In fact I think he said the SAA asked the schools to submit scheduling models.  One of the Business department Operation Research professors submitted the models for Berry and I believe that is the model they choose to use.

Another thing, the freshman QB #2 looks like he's going to be pretty special player.  He has a good touch on the ball and has good strength in all the passes I have seen him attempt.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on October 14, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
Thanks for the scheduling insight.  Interesting information.  Yes, #2 is a very good freshman QB.  Tough, talented kid.  We are watching the future when we see him play.

Was thinking earlier ... the Hendrix /  Trinity game in a few weeks will be a good one.  I think its in Arkansas.



Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2019, 02:07:24 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on October 14, 2019, 07:35:59 AM
Very, very nice win for Berry on Saturday.  I was able to attend, so my few thoughts:

1.  Hendrix is quite good.  Their offense is a bit of a one trick pony, but wow the pony, #5, has some impressive tricks.
2.  Berry's #12 Kinsey is a stud.  Quite a game.
3.  Our defense did a great job keeping Hendrix out of the end zone and pressuring the QB.  Sacks were big.  D looks solid.
4.  Our special teams were special.  Blocked field goal, 2 for 2 on our field goals including I think one of record breaking length.  Kick off returned for a touchdown.  Any of these things will win you a game...
5.  Only complaint is with the conference scheduling gurus.  We get no home game on Mountain Day (homecoming) and then get to play the latest "game of the year" while all of the students are gone for fall break.  Boo to someone.
6.  Up to # 7 is really amazing.  Coaches have this thing rolling.

Hendrix is a much better team than last season.  They are a good team.  I was surprised to se the Berry D hold their running game down.   Plus the sacks,  I think the lack of running forced Hendrix into some passing situations that helped the defense dial up the pressure.  Hendrix did make plays, but always made a mistake or Berry made a play in the red-zone.  Holding them to 3 FGs in 4 possible scoring situations was huge.

Conference scheduling is always tough, I talked with Coach K before the season started about this schedule change.  His biggest desire was the alternating travel, H/A schedule.  He was willing to give up a few things to make that happen.  Last season with 3 long trips in a row was tough on the team.  In fact I think he said the SAA asked the schools to submit scheduling models.  One of the Business department Operation Research professors submitted the models for Berry and I believe that is the model they choose to use.

Another thing, the freshman QB #2 looks like he's going to be pretty special player.  He has a good touch on the ball and has good strength in all the passes I have seen him attempt.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: RunTheTrap on October 14, 2019, 03:01:37 PM
Interesting strategy from AC on Saturday. Hold the ball for the last 11 minutes of the game. Don't score and maintain possession. I'm sure it was unintentional but it was at least successful.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on October 14, 2019, 03:51:32 PM
Quote from: RunTheTrap on October 14, 2019, 03:01:37 PM
Interesting strategy from AC on Saturday. Hold the ball for the last 11 minutes of the game. Don't score and maintain possession. I'm sure it was unintentional but it was at least successful.

It was a really crazy drive. Drove all the way down to the 3, but then penalties pushed them all the way back to the 46... meaning there was a 3rd and goal from the 46 (one of the penalties was offensive pass interference on a touchdown catch). And then they drew a defensive PI on that 3rd and goal from the 46, so they got a fresh set of downs and were able to just run the clock out at that point.

(False start, procedure, offensive PI, a 13 yard sack, and then a delay of game, if you're keeping score at home, is how they went backward 43 yards)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: RunTheTrap on October 15, 2019, 10:43:46 AM
 I hope the statistician was using a pencil during that drive. lol
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 15, 2019, 02:11:46 PM
Quote from: jekelish on October 14, 2019, 03:51:32 PM
Quote from: RunTheTrap on October 14, 2019, 03:01:37 PM
Interesting strategy from AC on Saturday. Hold the ball for the last 11 minutes of the game. Don't score and maintain possession. I'm sure it was unintentional but it was at least successful.

It was a really crazy drive. Drove all the way down to the 3, but then penalties pushed them all the way back to the 46... meaning there was a 3rd and goal from the 46 (one of the penalties was offensive pass interference on a touchdown catch). And then they drew a defensive PI on that 3rd and goal from the 46, so they got a fresh set of downs and were able to just run the clock out at that point.

(False start, procedure, offensive PI, a 13 yard sack, and then a delay of game, if you're keeping score at home, is how they went backward 43 yards)
I've seen plenty of crazy things, but I can't remember 3rd and goal from the 46,  wow
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Inkblot on October 15, 2019, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 15, 2019, 02:11:46 PM
I've seen plenty of crazy things, but I can't remember 3rd and goal from the 46,  wow

Oklahoma had that happen recently against Kansas.

1st & goal from the 7: Holding
1st & goal from the 17: Loss of 8
2nd & goal from the 25: Loss of 23
3rd & goal from the 48: Gain of 19; 15-yard penalty after the play
4th & goal from the 44: Punt downed at the 2

The absurdity didn't stop there. After a three-and-out, good punt return, and face mask, OU actually started the next drive with 1st & goal. This time they scored immediately. And by the way, this sequence started with 2:17 left until halftime and OU scored with 0:31 left.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 16, 2019, 10:57:30 AM
that's an emotional rollercoaster for both sides.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 17, 2019, 12:30:09 PM
Week 7 SAA FB Predictions as follows:
AC 31 SU 23, CEN 24 HEN 27, TRIN 21 MIL 10 & BER 34 BSC 17.
Could this be a week of upset in the SAA? 🤔
#GoldRush #SAA #d3fb #Colonels
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2019, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: Cedricb313 on October 17, 2019, 12:30:09 PM
Week 7 SAA FB Predictions as follows:
AC 31 SU 23, CEN 24 HEN 27, TRIN 21 MIL 10 & BER 34 BSC 17.
Could this be a week of upset in the SAA? 🤔
#GoldRush #SAA #d3fb #Colonels
So, which one is the upset.

Those look pretty standard.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 18, 2019, 09:28:28 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2019, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: Cedricb313 on October 17, 2019, 12:30:09 PM
Week 7 SAA FB Predictions as follows:
AC 31 SU 23, CEN 24 HEN 27, TRIN 21 MIL 10 & BER 34 BSC 17.
Could this be a week of upset in the SAA? 🤔
#GoldRush #SAA #d3fb #Colonels
So, which one is the upset.

Those look pretty standard.

could be he's attempting to suggest these type of weeks are the kind of weeks when an upset happens, not that he has one on his predictions.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2019, 12:51:48 PM
SAA posted this article on B-SC WR Ivan Villageois:  https://www.saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20191016lwltr5.   

We'll see if B-SC can give Berry any sort of challenge, but I suspect the Vikings are going to cruise through the rest of the regular season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 19, 2019, 05:25:23 PM
CEN 37 HEN 34 F/OT
Can u 👃🏽 what the #Colonels are cooking?
#d3fb #SAA #Colonels #GoldRush
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 19, 2019, 07:41:03 PM
BER-BSC looking very interesting. BCS up by 9 at the 12:51 mark of 2nd qtr. Shufford Power. 👃🏽
#d3fb #SAA
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2019, 09:03:18 PM
Quote from: Cedricb313 on October 19, 2019, 07:41:03 PM
BER-BSC looking very interesting. BCS up by 9 at the 12:51 mark of 2nd qtr. Shufford Power. 👃🏽
#d3fb #SAA
21-9 B-SC going to 4th.  Berry had it on the B-SC 1 but threw a pick on 3rd down.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 19, 2019, 09:13:41 PM
Shock Alert! BSC up by 19 over BER w/ 10:57 left in the 4th.
#d3fb #SAA #Colonels #NCAAD3FB
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 19, 2019, 09:43:56 PM
BER 15 BSC 28 F 🤔
#d3fb #SAA #ncaad3fb
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 19, 2019, 10:11:39 PM
The league just got interesting again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2019, 10:49:53 PM




Quote from: awadelewis on October 19, 2019, 10:11:39 PM
The league just got interesting again.

Four one-loss teams at the top of the SAA!

Berry (4-1) holds h2h tiebreaker vs Trinity, loss to B-SC
*win out, needs help (someone beats B-SC) for SAA's Pool A; Pool C candidate if wins out*

Birmingham-Southern (3-1) holds h2h tiebreaker vs Berry
*win out for Pool A bid on h2h tiebreaker*

Trinity (3-1) holds h2h tiebreaker vs Austin, loss to Berry
*Must win out, needs help (like Austin or someone else beating Berry)*

Austin (3-1) loss to Trinity
*Must win out, needs Trinity to lose*

And then there are two-loss scenarios ....
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2019, 09:05:28 AM
This week's D3football podcast (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2019/10/21/atn-podcast-252-johnnies-and-tommies-and-panthers-oh-my/) features B-SC vs. Berry and has a nice interview with Panthers coach Tony Joe White.

Not sure I'd agree with his assessment of the SAA 4th place team being strong enough to win "a lot of conferences" tho  :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2019, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2019, 09:05:28 AM
This week's D3football podcast (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2019/10/21/atn-podcast-252-johnnies-and-tommies-and-panthers-oh-my/) features B-SC vs. Berry and has a nice interview with Panthers coach Tony Joe White.

Not sure I'd agree with his assessment of the SAA 4th place team being strong enough to win "a lot of conferences" tho  :D
There are 27 conferences.


Is a lot 9, 1/3 of the conferences.  In the past, rate the conferences would put you in the range of MASCAC, MIAA, Midwest and USA South (alphabetical order).
Is a lot 13 (half)?

That would put you in the range of American Rivers (old IIAC), MAC, NCAC, Pres AC.

(Buy Kickoff and find out how they rate the conferences.)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 21, 2019, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2019, 10:49:53 PM




Quote from: awadelewis on October 19, 2019, 10:11:39 PM
The league just got interesting again.

Four one-loss teams at the top of the SAA!

Berry (4-1) holds h2h tiebreaker vs Trinity, loss to B-SC

  • Rhodes
  • bye
  • at Centre
  • Austin
*win out, needs help (someone beats B-SC) for SAA's Pool A; Pool C candidate if wins out*

Birmingham-Southern (3-1) holds h2h tiebreaker vs Berry

  • at Centre
  • Austin
  • at Trinity
  • Millsaps
*win out for Pool A bid on h2h tiebreaker*

Trinity (3-1) holds h2h tiebreaker vs Austin, loss to Berry

  • Sewanee
  • at Hendrix
  • B-SC
  • at Rhodes
*Must win out, needs help (like Austin or someone else beating Berry)*

Austin (3-1) loss to Trinity

  • Hendrix
  • at B-SC
  • Rhodes
  • at Berry
*Must win out, needs Trinity to lose*

And then there are two-loss scenarios ....

All this makes for some interesting games down the stretch. I'm looking forward to following it as the season continues.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 21, 2019, 11:10:37 AM
Birmingham Southern certainly has a good offense.  Running game is outstanding.  The Berry D made some good plays, but gave up 2-3 long ones that really hurt.

But Berry really helped them out with their offensive performance.  They played sloppy and just couldn't make the plays.  Had several untimely penalties that stalled the drives.  That turnover on the 3 was a bad throw that never should have been made.

You can tell the short yardage run game isn't the same without their big HB in there.  He was on crutches last game after getting hurt against Sewanee but I didn't see him on the sidelines Sat night.  Also not having #10 WR is making it easier to cover #12 and #13.  I think that makes 4 knee injuries on offense this season.  those things happen, they need to overcome.

Coaches need to figure out how to spur the offense again.   Let's see how they bounce back against Rhodes.


Also kind of surprised to see Berry fall out of the top 20, considering that other SAA teams have been ranked and received votes, I thought maybe there was more national respect for SAA.  but that drop says a lot.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2019, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 21, 2019, 11:10:37 AM
Also kind of surprised to see Berry fall out of the top 20, considering that other SAA teams have been ranked and received votes, I thought maybe there was more national respect for SAA.  but that drop says a lot.

The SAA's reputation has been built on the strength of Berry over the last few years, to the point that nobody had B-SC on their radar.   Losing to an unranked and unknown team, and by such a large margin, resulted in the large drop.   On the podcast Pat (I think) said that a number of voters dropped Berry totally off their ballots. 

I'm sure y'all will be cheering on Trinity on in three weeks.   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2019, 01:44:28 PM
I think also that it is as much about the fact that Berry doesn't currently have a win against anyone who is on anyone's ballot. Berry started the season at 16 and beat the preseason 20, so that moves them up a little bit based on their own performance, but the rest of it was based on other teams' attrition. You know what I mean?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 21, 2019, 02:45:27 PM
Did the other top 10 teams drop off those same ballets when they lost?  I know some did, but I don't think it ended with 15 spots.  I will need to go back and look.  SAA with 4 1 loss teams is not typical for the last few seasons.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 21, 2019, 02:51:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2019, 01:44:28 PM
I think also that it is as much about the fact that Berry doesn't currently have a win against anyone who is on anyone's ballot. Berry started the season at 16 and beat the preseason 20, so that moves them up a little bit based on their own performance, but the rest of it was based on other teams' attrition. You know what I mean?

Berry's win vs. Centre also loses luster when Centre loses twice more (so far). 

Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 21, 2019, 02:45:27 PM
Did the other top 10 teams drop off those same ballets when they lost?  I know some did, but I don't think it ended with 15 spots.  I will need to go back and look.  SAA with 4 1 loss teams is not typical for the last few seasons.

I think important context would be knowing where Berry was ranked on the ballots that they fell off of.  They weren't 7 on every ballot and then just off.  I'd venture to guess that Berry fell off of ballots that were already not that high (above, say, 12 or so) on the Vikings. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2019, 04:07:38 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 21, 2019, 02:45:27 PM
Did the other top 10 teams drop off those same ballets when they lost?  I know some did, but I don't think it ended with 15 spots.  I will need to go back and look.  SAA with 4 1 loss teams is not typical for the last few seasons.

In addition to Wally's comments above, you would have to also ask if the other top ten teams in question suffered a 13-point loss (even including a TD as time ran out) and had so few other "good" wins. 

The one-loss situation indicates a balanced conference, not necessarily a strong one, and is also an artifact of who's played who so far.   The good news is that Berry still IMO has a decent chance of a Pool C bid if they win out, which they should, and rankings don't mean a thing when you're in the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2019, 08:10:02 AM
speaking of good wins, it seems like Berry has had some wins over teams that were ranked or at least receiving votes on some ballots: Trinity, Hendrix, & Millsaps. 

and Berry hasn't played Centre yet.


The OOC games don't look to be helping the picture this year.  LaGrange and Maryville.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 22, 2019, 12:08:49 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2019, 08:10:02 AM
speaking of good wins, it seems like Berry has had some wins over teams that were ranked or at least receiving votes on some ballots: Trinity, Hendrix, & Millsaps. 

and Berry hasn't played Centre yet.


The OOC games don't look to be helping the picture this year.  LaGrange and Maryville.

That's correct, and that's my bad.  I knew better. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2019, 03:08:55 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 22, 2019, 08:10:02 AM
speaking of good wins, it seems like Berry has had some wins over teams that were ranked or at least receiving votes on some ballots: Trinity, Hendrix, & Millsaps. 

and Berry hasn't played Centre yet.


The OOC games don't look to be helping the picture this year.  LaGrange and Maryville.

"good wins" to overcome a sizable defeat by an unranked (and still getting no votes) team would be against someone in the top 25 or close.  The 2 voters giving Trinity a 25th place vote, bless 'em, don't elevate that win to such a standard. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 24, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
fair point,

next question is would those teams still be receiving votes if they had not lost to Berry?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 25, 2019, 10:49:30 PM
Week 8 SAA FB Predictions:
BSC 29 CEN 31, SEW 7 TRIN 35, RHO 0 BER 28 & HEN 31 ACU 24.

#d3fb #SAA #GoldRush #GoColonels
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 26, 2019, 03:50:13 PM
CEN 21 BSC 38 F BSC Shufford rushed for 282 yds. Back to drawing board for Colonels.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 26, 2019, 03:56:18 PM
Neither Trinity nor Berry had any trouble today with their opponents.    At least my Tigers put up two more points on Trinity than those people from the school by the zoo did against Berry (gotta look for the positives...  :) )
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on October 26, 2019, 07:03:15 PM
Tough game for Austin College and man, Miles Thompson can play. He threw a couple absolute ropes and the 'Roos just didn't really have any answers for him. Keegan Nichols got into the backfield three or four times and seemed like he had him, but Thompson managed to slip out of grasp and make a play. As soon as VanHoose returned a kick for a touchdown right after AC scored in the first quarter, it set the tone. Explosive plays left and right for the Warriors.

I also appreciated one other thing about Thompson: it was a pretty chippy game. Lots of extracurriculars. But as soon as the final horn blew, as the Hendrix guys started to run over and celebrate with their teammates on the sideline, Thompson trotted over and immediately started shaking the hands of the defensive players on the field. Class move. (Not saying the other guys going to celebrate first wasn't; everyone obviously shook hands. Just stuck out to me that at the end of a game that got pretty heated, he immediately went to the AC guys to shake.)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 27, 2019, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2019, 09:05:28 AM
This week's D3football podcast (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2019/10/21/atn-podcast-252-johnnies-and-tommies-and-panthers-oh-my/) features B-SC vs. Berry and has a nice interview with Panthers coach Tony Joe White.

Not sure I'd agree with his assessment of the SAA 4th place team being strong enough to win "a lot of conferences" tho  :D


Given the negativity of the conversation about SAA from the podcast, I'd say White became pretty defensive in his comments.  It was obvious there was an axe to grind in the commentary against the SAA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2019, 10:31:50 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on October 27, 2019, 09:49:48 PM
Given the negativity of the conversation about SAA from the podcast, I'd say White became pretty defensive in his comments.  It was obvious there was an axe to grind in the commentary against the SAA.

What commentary would that be? Are you saying he responded to something we hadn't said yet? Because the commentary is after the interview -- and the interview itself was recorded several hours before the rest of the podcast. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2019, 09:28:52 AM
Updated after this week's results:

Berry (5-1) holds h2h tiebreaker vs Trinity, loss to B-SC
*win out, needs help (someone beats B-SC) for SAA's Pool A; Pool C candidate if wins out*

Birmingham-Southern (4-1) holds h2h tiebreaker vs Berry
*win out for Pool A bid on h2h tiebreaker*

Trinity (4-1) holds h2h tiebreaker vs Austin, loss to Berry
*Must win out, needs Berry loss*

Austin (3-2) loss to Trinity
*Must win out, needs Trinity to lose Pretty much out of it*

B-SC shouldn't have any problem with Austin given last week's result; Berry has their bye this week.  Hendrix and Miles Thompson have another chance to play spoiler this week at home against Trinity. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on October 31, 2019, 10:18:06 PM
Week 9 SAA FB Predictions:
CEN 27 RHO 9, ACU 19 BCS 37, TRIN 26 HEN 23 & MIL 31 SEW 9

#d3fb #SAA #GoldRush #CentreColonels
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 02, 2019, 03:11:11 PM
Is Hendrix the only SAA school that charges to watch its broadcasts? How prevalent is charging to watch streams across D3? Pretty frustrating but I understand attempting to recoup some costs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 02, 2019, 03:21:21 PM
Hendrix' statcast is messing up, but it appears from twitter that Hendrix scored with 2:07 to go up 17-14 on Trinity, and then Trinity just drove down and scored with 36 seconds left. Statcast updated to 20-17 and showed that Hendrix' drive started so I guess they missed the PAT.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on November 02, 2019, 04:19:13 PM
Good one going on in Birmingham today. AC and BSC tied 35-35 heading into the fourth.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on November 02, 2019, 05:23:16 PM
BSC pulls away down the stretch to win 52-42. Reminded me a lot of the AC/Trinity game, where the Tigers managed to make a tight game into a double figure one late. Entertaining game with some huge offensive performances. Colt Collins broke AC's record for career passing yards in the game, his second career record of the year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2019, 06:55:25 PM
Quote from: jekelish on November 02, 2019, 05:23:16 PM
BSC pulls away down the stretch to win 52-42. Reminded me a lot of the AC/Trinity game, where the Tigers managed to make a tight game into a double figure one late. Entertaining game with some huge offensive performances. Colt Collins broke AC's record for career passing yards in the game, his second career record of the year.

Looks like AC is on the upswing - they've played with a lot of heart this year.  Glad to see it!

Trinity gets past Hendrix 20-17 thanks to three interceptions and a missed 29-yard FG by the Warriors midway through the fourth.   With 2:24 remaining, Hendrix took a 17-14 lead one play after a 46-yard completion from Miles Thompson to Blake Hinton left the ball on the Trinity 1.  Trinity drove to the Hendrix 42 on the ensuing series, and on third and 12 Wyatt Messex found Austin Bertness who took it to the house and scored with 36 seconds remaining (the PAT was missed).  Caleb Harmel's interception at midfield three plays later sealed the win for the visitors.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2019, 09:00:07 AM
On another note - I was looking at Millsaps' record here on the site (https://www.d3football.com/teams/Millsaps/2019/index) and was shocked to see their enrollment listed at 749 (was around 1200 in the '90s).   It appears that they are dealing with the issue of declining enrollment faced by many smaller liberal arts schools.   According to this Clarion-Ledger story (https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/22/millsaps-college-jackson-mississippi-cuts-majors-programs/3692545002/) from last May, three majors have been cut (music, religion, education) in order to bring expenses in-line with the number of students.   They're trying to get back to around 1000 students, have some financial resources and construction in progress to make needed improvements.

B-SC went through something similar around the time they joined the SCAC, dropping several programs, and were successful.  In a bid to further increase enrollment from the current ~1300 students to ~1600, they cut their tuition and fees in half in 2018 (https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2017/09/birmingham-southern_college_to.html), though enrollment has yet to show significant growth (yes, I know it's not the list price that matters but the net price, but not all prospective students or parents make that distinction at first). 

I wish both Millsaps and B-SC (and other schools dealing with the issue) success in finding models that work for students and the schools themselves.   It's not easy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2019, 04:31:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2019, 09:00:07 AM
On another note - I was looking at Millsaps' record here on the site (https://www.d3football.com/teams/Millsaps/2019/index) and was shocked to see their enrollment listed at 749 (was around 1200 in the '90s).   It appears that they are dealing with the issue of declining enrollment faced by many smaller liberal arts schools.   According to this Clarion-Ledger story (https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/22/millsaps-college-jackson-mississippi-cuts-majors-programs/3692545002/) from last May, three majors have been cut (music, religion, education) in order to bring expenses in-line with the number of students.   They're trying to get back to around 1000 students, have some financial resources and construction in progress to make needed improvements.

B-SC went through something similar around the time they joined the SCAC, dropping several programs, and were successful.  In a bid to further increase enrollment from the current ~1300 students to ~1600, they cut their tuition and fees in half in 2018 (https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2017/09/birmingham-southern_college_to.html), though enrollment has yet to show significant growth (yes, I know it's not the list price that matters but the net price, but not all prospective students or parents make that distinction at first). 

I wish both Millsaps and B-SC (and other schools dealing with the issue) success in finding models that work for students and the schools themselves.   It's not easy.
Millsaps was founded in 1890 by the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. For the school to discontinue majors in religion, education and music is to lose a major portion of its heritage.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2019, 12:53:50 PM
Berry is #6 in the first regional rankings.   B-SC is also ranked (#8) so the loss to a RRO helps them (more than a loss to a non-RRO):   https://d3football.com/playoffs/2019/first-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 06, 2019, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2019, 12:53:50 PM
Berry is #6 in the first regional rankings.   B-SC is also ranked (#8) so the loss to a RRO helps them (more than a loss to a non-RRO):   https://d3football.com/playoffs/2019/first-regional-ranking

I thought that was curious placement.  IMO, once you put B-SC into the top 10, you have to put them in front of Berry.  Outside of about a 6 minute stretch of football immediately after halftime, B-SC absolutely handled Berry. 

Savvy move here by a committee that historically plays chess with their rankings while other RACs are playing checkers.  #6 or #5 ranked Berry as an at-large candidate looks better than #8 or #9 ranked Berry as an at-large candidate (which is where I had them slotted in my committee-of-one rankings this week). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2019, 02:11:16 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 06, 2019, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2019, 12:53:50 PM
Berry is #6 in the first regional rankings.   B-SC is also ranked (#8) so the loss to a RRO helps them (more than a loss to a non-RRO):   https://d3football.com/playoffs/2019/first-regional-ranking

I thought that was curious placement.  IMO, once you put B-SC into the top 10, you have to put them in front of Berry.  Outside of about a 6 minute stretch of football immediately after halftime, B-SC absolutely handled Berry. 

Savvy move here by a committee that historically plays chess with their rankings while other RACs are playing checkers.  #6 or #5 ranked Berry as an at-large candidate looks better than #8 or #9 ranked Berry as an at-large candidate (which is where I had them slotted in my committee-of-one rankings this week).
+1! Wally.

I think that Trinity beats B-SC this weekend to get a SAA co-championship and it becomes moot.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 06, 2019, 03:30:42 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 06, 2019, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2019, 12:53:50 PM
Berry is #6 in the first regional rankings.   B-SC is also ranked (#8) so the loss to a RRO helps them (more than a loss to a non-RRO):   https://d3football.com/playoffs/2019/first-regional-ranking

I thought that was curious placement.  IMO, once you put B-SC into the top 10, you have to put them in front of Berry.  Outside of about a 6 minute stretch of football immediately after halftime, B-SC absolutely handled Berry. 

Savvy move here by a committee that historically plays chess with their rankings while other RACs are playing checkers.  #6 or #5 ranked Berry as an at-large candidate looks better than #8 or #9 ranked Berry as an at-large candidate (which is where I had them slotted in my committee-of-one rankings this week).

What I saw in the rankings -> Unless Susquehanna loses SAA is not getting an at large bid this year.

So it doesn't really matter where either Berry or BSC are ranked.  BSC's loss to LaGrange is what's keeping them lower, that was a truly bad loss.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 06, 2019, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2019, 02:11:16 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 06, 2019, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2019, 12:53:50 PM
Berry is #6 in the first regional rankings.   B-SC is also ranked (#8) so the loss to a RRO helps them (more than a loss to a non-RRO):   https://d3football.com/playoffs/2019/first-regional-ranking

I thought that was curious placement.  IMO, once you put B-SC into the top 10, you have to put them in front of Berry.  Outside of about a 6 minute stretch of football immediately after halftime, B-SC absolutely handled Berry. 

Savvy move here by a committee that historically plays chess with their rankings while other RACs are playing checkers.  #6 or #5 ranked Berry as an at-large candidate looks better than #8 or #9 ranked Berry as an at-large candidate (which is where I had them slotted in my committee-of-one rankings this week).
+1! Wally.

I think that Trinity beats B-SC this weekend to get a SAA co-championship and it becomes moot.

Now if Trinity beats B-SC and Berry slips up at Centre, that helps with Travel as Trinity would open a flight to balance bracket elsewhere.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on November 07, 2019, 12:32:43 PM
Week 10 #SAA FB Predictions:
BER 33 CEN 17, HEN 27 MIL 16, RHO 13 ACU 31 & BSC 24 TRIN 28.
Anyone see BSC beating TRIN? #upset
#d3fb #GoldRush #CentreCollege
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 09, 2019, 06:41:45 PM
Trinity 20 - B-SC 10.  Was at the game today.  Beautiful south Texas weather.  B-SC ran well (250+ yards), but was stopped when it mattered.  Also two missed field goals...

Trinity won without the big play today and it was nice to see the defense stiffen as the game went on.  Very physical play with several BIG hits.

Trinity seems confident this season in a way I haven't seen for the last 6-7 years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 09, 2019, 07:13:36 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on November 09, 2019, 06:41:45 PM
Trinity 20 - B-SC 10.  Was at the game today.  Beautiful south Texas weather.  B-SC ran well (250+ yards), but was stopped when it mattered.  Also two missed field goals...

Trinity won without the big play today and it was nice to see the defense stiffen as the game went on.  Very physical play with several BIG hits.

Trinity seems confident this season in a way I haven't seen for the last 6-7 years.

B-SC almost totally toothless through the air until the end when they had no choice but to throw the ball.  The dependency on the run - effective as it was -burned so much clock in the fourth quarter.  B-SC running game was impressive as was  Robert Shufford - he earned his 144 yards but had to work a little harder than normal (30 carries; had been averaging around 10 ypc).    Trinity's success was almost exclusively through the air and Messex was effective when given time.  No turnovers either way and the ball only hit the ground once, though both teams dropped a couple of catchable passes.

I do feel for the B-SC players and fans who saw their playoff dreams evaporate in the crisp (for South Texas) fall air.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 09, 2019, 08:18:23 PM
Completely agree that the running game vs clock was pivotal for B-SC.  I'd also note that penalties didn't really play a role.  Some complaining by fans on some hard hits, out-of-bounds throws, etc, but the refs were right and fair.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 11, 2019, 10:37:04 AM
Thanks to Centre for helping Justus continue his recovery process.

His walk to the spot.
https://youtu.be/40S1PvgQBsc

His comments on the field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wN5BwKZcFQ&feature=emb_rel_pause
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2019, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 11, 2019, 10:37:04 AM
Thanks to Centre for helping Justus continue his recovery process.

His walk to the spot.
https://youtu.be/40S1PvgQBsc

His comments on the field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wN5BwKZcFQ&feature=emb_rel_pause


This was really amazing to watch. Referenced it in the podcast today -- actually gave Justus Edwards my game ball.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2019, 11:37:33 PM
Congratulations to Berry WR Mason Kinsey, selected today for the East-West Shrine Bowl!

https://mobile.twitter.com/MasonKinsey87/status/1194043224622534657
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 12, 2019, 10:48:41 AM
Does anyone have a list of the AQs?  I think this is where they stand

ASC - UMHB clinched
CC - Muhlenberg clinched
ODAC - Bridgewater clinched
PAC - Case Western Reserve clinched
SAA - Berry controls w/ victory over Trinity
USAC - Huntingdon controls w/ victory over 3 teams (4-2 records)


Susquehanna looks to be a Pool C lock. 
Don't see any other Pool C teams this year.

If these hold up who are most likely home games?


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2019, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 12, 2019, 10:48:41 AM
Does anyone have a list of the AQs?  I think this is where they stand

ASC - UMHB clinched
CC - Muhlenberg clinched
ODAC - Bridgewater controls w/ victory over Randolph-Macon
PAC - Case Western Reserve clinched
SAA - Berry controls w/ victory over Trinity
USAC - Huntingdon controls w/ victory over 3 teams (4-2 records)


Sesquahanna looks to be a Pool C lock. 
Don't see any other Pool C teams this year.

If these hold up who are most likely home games?

I think we'll see the top three of that list get home games, and Susquehanna is on the break line between being a 4 and 5 seed.

Here's a list of the AQs clinched so far:
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2019/11/week10-top25-roundup
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 12, 2019, 11:21:03 AM
thanks, looks like I had everything right except Bridgewater clinched.

I don't see any drivable trips for either Berry or Huntingdon, except each other.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 12, 2019, 12:37:52 PM
Berry-Hanover is drivable but nothing besides Berry for Huntingdon I don't think.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 13, 2019, 10:28:12 AM
They said that first round travel was only going to be impacted by conference rematches.  So if they do maintain as many drivable games as possible, then I don't see any other choices if both Berry and Huntingdon wins.

Bridgewater might be close enough to Berry, but that still leaves Huntingdon with air travel.

Austin will be ready to knock off Berry,  they have won some big games this year.  So I can't take this last one for granted. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 13, 2019, 02:34:44 PM
SOUTH   
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 9-0 9-0
2 Muhlenberg 9-0 9-0
3 Bridgewater (Virginia) 9-0 9-0
4 Susquehanna 8-1 8-1
5 Case Western Reserve 9-0 9-0
6 Berry 8-1 8-1
7 Randolph-Macon 7-2 7-2
8 Texas Lutheran 7-2 7-2
9 Hardin-Simmons 7-2 7-2
10 Trinity (Texas) 7-2 7-2

Regional rankings as of 11/10.  With Trinity's win they round out the top10 and make 40% from the State of Texas.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Wild Horse Rider on November 13, 2019, 03:16:38 PM
There are also half of the D3 teams from GA represented, 100% of the teams from OH, 2 out of the 15 teams from PA, and 2 out of the 9 teams from VA.  NC, TN, AL, MD, and MS also have at least 2 south region teams and none are regionally ranked.  It makes sense that TX has the better college teams since I would rank their high school football higher than all of the other states.

Also do you think the committee would color outside the slightly and send Berry to Bridgewater?  I believe it is just over the 500 mile mark but maybe if you measured from the closest part of each respective schools property line it falls under?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2019, 08:09:58 PM
Quote from: Wild Horse Rider on November 13, 2019, 03:16:38 PM
Also do you think the committee would color outside the slightly and send Berry to Bridgewater?  I believe it is just over the 500 mile mark but maybe if you measured from the closest part of each respective schools property line it falls under?

No. There is a mileage chart, and the chart says Berry to Bridgewater is 524 miles.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 13, 2019, 10:02:11 PM
Quote from: Wild Horse Rider on November 13, 2019, 03:16:38 PM
There are also half of the D3 teams from GA represented, 100% of the teams from OH, 2 out of the 15 teams from PA, and 2 out of the 9 teams from VA.  NC, TN, AL, MD, and MS also have at least 2 south region teams and none are regionally ranked.  It makes sense that TX has the better college teams since I would rank their high school football higher than all of the other states.

Also do you think the committee would color outside the slightly and send Berry to Bridgewater?  I believe it is just over the 500 mile mark but maybe if you measured from the closest part of each respective schools property line it falls under?
I think you misunderstood the point of my Tx comment.  It was meant to complement the power of Texas in the South region.  That is certainly one reason UMHB is so good year in and out they are pushed by the schools around them to excel.  I wish there were more D3 schools in Ga to push Berry more.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Wild Horse Rider on November 14, 2019, 09:47:56 AM
Sorry Berry I was really half joking.  Tone never comes across when you are typing.  With small schools your recruiting is typically regional and a direct reflection of the HS talent.  That is one of the reasons I have always wondered why LaGrange is not more successful given the state of HS football in GA.  I have also always wondered what a D3 team would look like from the state of FL.  I know they would likely not be able to make it since there is no conference that would want them from a travel standpoint but take that out of the equation.  There is a reason D3, D2, NAIA, and other smaller programs across the country go to recruiting fairs in February every year to evaluate and try and get the remaining players that did not receive offers on signing day.  Look at rosters that include the SR starting QB from Mount Union who was from Miramar, FL.  Clearly there is more to it than that but it certainly can't hurt
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 14, 2019, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: Wild Horse Rider on November 14, 2019, 09:47:56 AM
Sorry Berry I was really half joking.  Tone never comes across when you are typing.  With small schools your recruiting is typically regional and a direct reflection of the HS talent.  That is one of the reasons I have always wondered why LaGrange is not more successful given the state of HS football in GA.  I have also always wondered what a D3 team would look like from the state of FL.  I know they would likely not be able to make it since there is no conference that would want them from a travel standpoint but take that out of the equation.  There is a reason D3, D2, NAIA, and other smaller programs across the country go to recruiting fairs in February every year to evaluate and try and get the remaining players that did not receive offers on signing day.  Look at rosters that include the SR starting QB from Mount Union who was from Miramar, FL.  Clearly there is more to it than that but it certainly can't hurt

There are several D2 and FCS programs in the state that take much of the talent.  West Ga won D3 back in early 80's and is in the D2 playoffs almost every year now.  Plus Rhinehardt played in the NAIA national championship game 2 seasons ago.  Both are easily driving distance from LaGrange.

D3 programs recruit Ga pretty well.  as an example I know Washington & Lee has a couple annual camps at a HS in Atlanta every year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 14, 2019, 08:54:57 PM
Do a quick dive through some the rosters of the schools in the conference and you'll see lots of kids from the Atlanta metro area.   A quick check of Sewanee's roster shows we have 20 players from GA with 17 from the Atlanta metro area from a roster of 85 players.   

Looking at Berry's roster they have a good mix from the private prep schools in the Atlanta area with good athletic programs and the suburban metro public schools that have decent athletics.   Good recruiting since the program started has put them where they are now.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 14, 2019, 10:57:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2019, 08:09:58 PM
Quote from: Wild Horse Rider on November 13, 2019, 03:16:38 PM
Also do you think the committee would color outside the slightly and send Berry to Bridgewater?  I believe it is just over the 500 mile mark but maybe if you measured from the closest part of each respective schools property line it falls under?

No. There is a mileage chart, and the chart says Berry to Bridgewater is 524 miles.

Is there a link to the mileage chart?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2019, 11:26:14 PM
This is a site that is available to NCAA members, so I'd assume it's OK to share:
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 14, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2019, 11:26:14 PM
This is a site that is available to NCAA members, so I'd assume it's OK to share:
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

Thank you, Pat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 15, 2019, 04:07:20 PM
Important games tomorrow.

Austin @ Berry
Trinity @ Rhodes
Millsaps @ Birmingham Southern
Sewanee @ Hendrix

Berry and Trinity are both 6-1 tied for SAA lead. 
* If both win they are co-champions.  Berry has H2H tiebreaker, gets AQ.
* If Trinity wins & Berry loses. Trinity is champion, gets AQ. 
* If they both lose and BSU wins. 3 way tie for championship. Each with 1 win over other 2. - Not sure who gets AQ

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2019, 05:27:41 PM
SAA Handbook, Football Section. Tie-breaker

To determine the representative to NCAA
postseason competition and the recipient of the conference's automatic bid, the following criteria
will be used as a tie-breaker:
A. Two teams – head-to-head result from conference game played.
B. Three teams – Using the following point system:
● Each team will be awarded two points for each victory against other conference
co-champions.
● Each team is awarded one point for each victory over other conference teams not
sharing the championship.
● In the event that both parts of Section B are applied and two teams are still tied,
the formula will revert back to Section A.
C. If Sections A and B cannot break the tie and there are still three teams tied, then the
team or teams with the fewest losses will be declared as the recipient of the conference's
automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams have the equal number of losses, Section A is
applied.
D. If there are still three teams tied with the same number of losses, then the percentage
of each team's opponents' total overall record will be used.
E. The team whose opponents have the higher win/loss percentage will receive the
conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs.
F. If two teams remain throughout any of these tie-breaking procedures. Section A is
applied.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cedricb313 on November 16, 2019, 12:23:46 PM
Week 11 SAA FB Predictions:
MIL 18 BSC 32, ACU 14 BER 43, TRIN 32 RHO 0 & SEW 9 HEN 45
#SAA #d3fb #Colonels
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 16, 2019, 05:36:35 PM
Fun to watch Trinity today.  They were solid everywhere.  A shame if this is the last game as they are carrying a great deal of momentum.  Lavine is a boss.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 16, 2019, 06:51:04 PM
Lavine  will be missed by Trinity, but looks loaded with depth on both sides of the ball for the next few years. They would have been fun to watch if they were to have made the playoffs. Having the lead late into the games  at HSU and at home vs Berry, losing by a combined 10 points in single poseesion losses shows how strong of team they were this season. Goodluck Berry and rep the SAA well!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on November 16, 2019, 09:46:39 PM
I just wanna give a shoutout to Austin College QB Colt Collins, who ended his career today with 190 passing yards and 172 rushing yards at Berry, and basically rewrote the 'Roo record books this season. Leaves as the all time leader in career total offense, career passing yards, single season total offense, and single season passing yards — all records set this year. Nearly 8500 yards of total offense in just over three seasons as the program's starter. He was fun to watch. Not always the most efficient (never got to 50% completions) but somehow managed to put up huge numbers week after week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
The projected bracket (https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2019/our-projected-bracket) keeps Berry away from last year's second-round matchup with UMHB; may they be correct.  Good luck, Vikings - here's hoping you make if further this year than last!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on November 17, 2019, 10:07:38 AM
Quote from: jekelish on November 16, 2019, 09:46:39 PM
I just wanna give a shoutout to Austin College QB Colt Collins, who ended his career today with 190 passing yards and 172 rushing yards at Berry, and basically rewrote the 'Roo record books this season. Leaves as the all time leader in career total offense, career passing yards, single season total offense, and single season passing yards — all records set this year. Nearly 8500 yards of total offense in just over three seasons as the program's starter. He was fun to watch. Not always the most efficient (never got to 50% completions) but somehow managed to put up huge numbers week after week.
I enjoyed watching him play Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2019, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
The projected bracket (https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2019/our-projected-bracket) keeps Berry away from last year's second-round matchup with UMHB; may they be correct.  Good luck, Vikings - here's hoping you make if further this year than last!

Never mind.  Huntington-Berry winner gets UMHB (in all likelihood) in second round again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 18, 2019, 07:53:58 AM
Good win for Berry on Saturday.  Quite an impressive run for the Vikings these last fours years.  On to the playoffs.

Also wanted to acknowledge being impressed by Trinity, who had a great season.  Birmingham Southern and Austin were also greatly improved.  Hendrix and Centre are always good.  The conference as a whole seems to be improving.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 18, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: jekelish on November 16, 2019, 09:46:39 PM
I just wanna give a shoutout to Austin College QB Colt Collins, who ended his career today with 190 passing yards and 172 rushing yards at Berry, and basically rewrote the 'Roo record books this season. Leaves as the all time leader in career total offense, career passing yards, single season total offense, and single season passing yards — all records set this year. Nearly 8500 yards of total offense in just over three seasons as the program's starter. He was fun to watch. Not always the most efficient (never got to 50% completions) but somehow managed to put up huge numbers week after week.

He is an outstanding player.  I thought Berry did a decent job of containing him, but when he got away he was explosive.  I am sure every SAA team would have been better if he was their QB.  Good luck to him on his next steps.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 18, 2019, 10:43:14 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 18, 2019, 07:53:58 AM
Good win for Berry on Saturday.  Quite an impressive run for the Vikings these last fours years.  On to the playoffs.

Also wanted to acknowledge being impressed by Trinity, who had a great season.  Birmingham Southern and Austin were also greatly improved.  Hendrix and Centre are always good.  The conference as a whole seems to be improving.

This Senior class did not lose a home game in 4 years.  Amazing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on November 18, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
I continue to be not a fan of the way D3 does their playoffs. Yes, I understand the need to save money in the first round and the 500 mile radius, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I also hate the fact that the best 32 aren't in the field. As a Berry fan, yes, I'm thankful for the AQ due to winning the conference, but there are some very good teams sitting at home that are probably a lot better than teams getting an AQ. I don't have a great answer for it and I know its because there are so many teams in D3 that it would be a 'March Madness' scenario if everybody that deserved to be in was in and that can't happen. I know, until I have a good solution, don't complain......lol.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 18, 2019, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2019, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
The projected bracket (https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2019/our-projected-bracket) keeps Berry away from last year's second-round matchup with UMHB; may they be correct.  Good luck, Vikings - here's hoping you make if further this year than last!

Never mind.  Huntington-Berry winner gets UMHB (in all likelihood) in second round again.

Very disappointed they couldn't find some other way to match these teams.  SAA continues to get 1st seed matchups in the 2nd round.  Last year 2 SAA teams got 1st seed match-ups after Berry and Centre won first round, they played the eventual championship contenders.  Might have been different if Berry hadn't laid an egg against Birmingham Southern but you never know.

Well now, they just need to win and plan for Belton again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on November 18, 2019, 11:21:26 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 18, 2019, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2019, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
The projected bracket (https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2019/our-projected-bracket) keeps Berry away from last year's second-round matchup with UMHB; may they be correct.  Good luck, Vikings - here's hoping you make if further this year than last!

Never mind.  Huntington-Berry winner gets UMHB (in all likelihood) in second round again.

Very disappointed they couldn't find some other way to match these teams.  SAA continues to get 1st seed matchups in the 2nd round.  Last year 2 SAA teams got 1st seed match-ups after Berry and Centre won first round, they played the eventual championship contenders.  Might have been different if Berry hadn't laid an egg against Birmingham Southern but you never know.

Well now, they just need to win and plan for Belton again.

I would think it would have been different had Berry went 10-0 and been ranked higher in the RR. I believe the SAA will continue to see this kind of bracketing until someone can get past the 2nd round a few times. Fortunately for Berry, they get a home game in the first round because of the 500 mile radius 'rule'. They are really a lower seeded team getting to host.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2019, 11:26:23 AM
I feel your frustration, Berry fans.   But be thankful you're not stuck in Texas or the West Coast, where this kind of thing comes into play in nearly every sport, not just football.  When Trinity was getting in the playoffs they'd always match up against HSU or UMHB in the first or second round for the exact same reasons and seeds be darned.   Another recent example - Trinity's volleyball team was awarded the #1 seed at a regional but still had to travel last weekend - so they were the only #1 seed in the country (of 8) that didn't get to host.   As you go deeper into the playoffs, your chances of hosting a multi-team event decrease even further since everyone else would have to be flown here.   Yay!

It would seem, though, that in your case the AA could do a better job to share the UMHB 'wealth' since they can fly anyone in there, not just you.    Pat and company showed them one way to do it. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2019, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on November 18, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
I also hate the fact that the best 32 aren't in the field.

The best 32 are never in any field anywhere.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on November 19, 2019, 09:29:17 AM


The best 32 are never in any field anywhere.
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Correct. I know this, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. LOL. Until someone comes up with something better, I think its the best it can be. Everyone knows going into the season that you win the conference, you are in. If you don't, you are at the mercy of the committee and those 5 at-large bids. Heck, there are 65 teams that get into March Madness and still there are teams getting left at home that feel they should have gotten an invite.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 19, 2019, 11:21:34 AM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on November 18, 2019, 11:21:26 AM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 18, 2019, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2019, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
The projected bracket (https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2019/our-projected-bracket) keeps Berry away from last year's second-round matchup with UMHB; may they be correct.  Good luck, Vikings - here's hoping you make if further this year than last!

Never mind.  Huntington-Berry winner gets UMHB (in all likelihood) in second round again.

Very disappointed they couldn't find some other way to match these teams.  SAA continues to get 1st seed matchups in the 2nd round.  Last year 2 SAA teams got 1st seed match-ups after Berry and Centre won first round, they played the eventual championship contenders.  Might have been different if Berry hadn't laid an egg against Birmingham Southern but you never know.

Well now, they just need to win and plan for Belton again.

I would think it would have been different had Berry went 10-0 and been ranked higher in the RR. I believe the SAA will continue to see this kind of bracketing until someone can get past the 2nd round a few times. Fortunately for Berry, they get a home game in the first round because of the 500 mile radius 'rule'. They are really a lower seeded team getting to host.
Well that's the issue isn't it.  I think there are several 2nd round match-ups that would be excellent games for SAA teams.  But as we see the SAA keep drawing the juggernauts.  Centre last year would have matched up well with Brockport or Rensselaer,  maybe even Bethel or Muhlenberg.  But they drew Mount Union.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on November 19, 2019, 01:10:39 PM
I may be wrong, but I guess we are paying the price for the disaster that was the Birmingham Southern game (really, what happened that day?  I was listening and turned it off after about  5 minutes.   We basically crush everyone all season long ... except for the much closer Trinity game.... and just didn't show up one week).  With the ranking we had prior to losing that game ... we prob would have gotten a "better" 2nd round game.  I literally groaned when I saw Mary Hardin Baylor.  As someone said earlier ... we are just going to have to win one of these games (or at least be competitive) to earn a bit more respect.  A 70 point loss isn't going to help matters.

Of course, no one needs to overlook Huntington.  We will have to play very well to make the 2nd round.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 19, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 19, 2019, 01:10:39 PM
I may be wrong, but I guess we are paying the price for the disaster that was the Birmingham Southern game (really, what happened that day?  I was listening and turned it off after about  5 minutes.   We basically crush everyone all season long ... except for the much closer Trinity game.... and just didn't show up one week).  With the ranking we had prior to losing that game ... we prob would have gotten a "better" 2nd round game.  I literally groaned when I saw Mary Hardin Baylor.  As someone said earlier ... we are just going to have to win one of these games (or at least be competitive) to earn a bit more respect.  A 70 point loss isn't going to help matters.

Of course, no one needs to overlook Huntington.  We will have to play very well to make the 2nd round.

Seems unlikely.  The Berry/Huntingdon winner is going to be a geographic orphan and UMHB, also an orphan, needs an opponent.  Until there's a philosophy change, it looks like those orphaned teams are going to get paired up as quickly as possible, regardless of what might be seed-appropriate. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 19, 2019, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 19, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 19, 2019, 01:10:39 PM
I may be wrong, but I guess we are paying the price for the disaster that was the Birmingham Southern game (really, what happened that day?  I was listening and turned it off after about  5 minutes.   We basically crush everyone all season long ... except for the much closer Trinity game.... and just didn't show up one week).  With the ranking we had prior to losing that game ... we prob would have gotten a "better" 2nd round game.  I literally groaned when I saw Mary Hardin Baylor.  As someone said earlier ... we are just going to have to win one of these games (or at least be competitive) to earn a bit more respect.  A 70 point loss isn't going to help matters.

Of course, no one needs to overlook Huntington.  We will have to play very well to make the 2nd round.

Seems unlikely.  The Berry/Huntingdon winner is going to be a geographic orphan and UMHB, also an orphan, needs an opponent.  Until there's a philosophy change, it looks like those orphaned teams are going to get paired up as quickly as possible, regardless of what might be seed-appropriate.
What we would have to do is beat them one year then go 10-0 the next. That way we would get to play them at home that next year in the second round instead of going to Texas.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 20, 2019, 10:47:35 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on November 19, 2019, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 19, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 19, 2019, 01:10:39 PM
I may be wrong, but I guess we are paying the price for the disaster that was the Birmingham Southern game (really, what happened that day?  I was listening and turned it off after about  5 minutes.   We basically crush everyone all season long ... except for the much closer Trinity game.... and just didn't show up one week).  With the ranking we had prior to losing that game ... we prob would have gotten a "better" 2nd round game.  I literally groaned when I saw Mary Hardin Baylor.  As someone said earlier ... we are just going to have to win one of these games (or at least be competitive) to earn a bit more respect.  A 70 point loss isn't going to help matters.

Of course, no one needs to overlook Huntington.  We will have to play very well to make the 2nd round.

Seems unlikely.  The Berry/Huntingdon winner is going to be a geographic orphan and UMHB, also an orphan, needs an opponent.  Until there's a philosophy change, it looks like those orphaned teams are going to get paired up as quickly as possible, regardless of what might be seed-appropriate.
What we would have to do is beat them one year then go 10-0 the next. That way we would get to play them at home that next year in the second round instead of going to Texas.

A "better" 2nd round game would be nice, but most fans aren't delusional about chances to go deep against the top of the D3 mountain.  To get fans to consistently travel (I think ticket sales are important for the NCAA) they might want to consider avoiding potential repeat matchups.  They know it is a problem because they changed the rules for 1st round conference matchups.  But D3 fans have so few opportunities to travel and see other programs outside their regions, it would have been nice to potentially see someone different this year.  I talked to several fans who made the trip last year and they were all non-committal about the potential of this trip.

I guess we will see.  Need to win Saturday or this is Huntingdon's issue.  Looks like it is going to be a wet rainy morning, hopefully it moves out before the kickoff.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on November 20, 2019, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on November 19, 2019, 01:10:39 PM
I may be wrong, but I guess we are paying the price for the disaster that was the Birmingham Southern game (really, what happened that day?  I was listening and turned it off after about  5 minutes.   We basically crush everyone all season long ... except for the much closer Trinity game.... and just didn't show up one week).  With the ranking we had prior to losing that game ... we prob would have gotten a "better" 2nd round game.  I literally groaned when I saw Mary Hardin Baylor.  As someone said earlier ... we are just going to have to win one of these games (or at least be competitive) to earn a bit more respect.  A 70 point loss isn't going to help matters.

Of course, no one needs to overlook Huntington.  We will have to play very well to make the 2nd round.

We never play well at Birmingham Southern in the first place. I have no idea why, but I have watched all of the games at BSC in person over the 7 years and we never look like the same team that played the week before or the week after. This year, the D gave up the 2 big runs in the 1st quarter and the O struggled playing catch-up. Moved the ball well in between the 10s but couldn't get in the end zone. It was homecoming for BSC, at night and we didn't match their intensity.

Had we went 10-0 and been ranked 7th where we were before the loss, I doubt we get UMHB 2nd round, but would get them sooner or later after that. You are correct on the fans travel. Hard enough to find affordable airplane tickets on Thanksgiving weekend when you are booking them the Sunday before to begin with and now going back to the same place the next year makes it harder. If I had a player going, I would find a way to make it, but outside of that, I doubt many go.

Huntingdon will be a good game on Saturday. Berry will have to play well to have a chance to go back to Belton.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2019, 12:18:06 PM
I found this proposed six-year SAA schedule (https://saa-sports.com/information/Future_Schedules/Six_Year_SAA_Football_Schedule_Proposal.pdf) on the SAA site today.  Under the proposal teams play each other at different times during the season; for example Berry-Trinity moves from week 1 of conference play this year week 4 the next two years, then week 3 for two years, and week 2 in the last of the six years shown.   

Good luck on Saturday, Vikings!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 21, 2019, 04:52:56 PM
Wow, how did you find that?
this is great.

I see this schedule:
eliminates the same team from having the bye at the end of the season
keeps alternating opponent home/away for every team opponent (best I can tell)
keeps the weekly home/away alternation (esp good for the Texas teams since they won't be on the road 2 weeks in a row).
mixes up the matchups from season to season (some years a matchup is early, some years mid/ late)


looks like a good plan.  It took me a minute to realize UOS was Sewanee.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2019, 08:25:22 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on November 21, 2019, 04:52:56 PM
Wow, how did you find that?
this is great.

I see this schedule:
eliminates the same team from having the bye at the end of the season
keeps alternating opponent home/away for every team opponent (best I can tell)
keeps the weekly home/away alternation (esp good for the Texas teams since they won't be on the road 2 weeks in a row).
mixes up the matchups from season to season (some years a matchup is early, some years mid/ late)


looks like a good plan.  It took me a minute to realize UOS was Sewanee.

I agree on all points :)

Total fluke to find it.  Go to https://saa-sports.com/sports/fball/index , then click "More" in the grey menu bar, and, bam, there is "Future Schedule".
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 25, 2019, 08:46:44 AM
Sorry to see Berry lose; was hoping for a rematch with UMHB and was planning to drive up to Belton had that been the case. 

The all-SAA team was announced (https://saa-sports.com/sports/fball/2019-20/files/2019_Football_All-SAA_Final.pdf) yesterday.
By school:
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 25, 2019, 09:41:47 AM
It was a tough game Saturday.  Huntingdon did a good job holding the defensive pressure away from the QB.  Berry has done a good job of forcing quick pressure all season to prevent the secondary from having to defend a lot of deep throws.  The Hawks O-line held the d-line back just enough to connect on several long passes.

Berry had their chances on offense but didn't make the plays.

That swing pass to the RB wheel route just before the half was a TD if he had just caught the ball.  It would have made all the difference going into the half.

Congrats to Huntingdon, good luck next Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 26, 2019, 12:32:24 AM
Looking forward to this game. I watched the whole game from Saturday and it seems that Huntingdon has a strong running back and a tough defensive line. UMHB has struggled to run against disciplined defensive lines this year. I think they give in a little too soon. From watching the game, it looks as if the secondary do the hawks is susceptible and that may be where we attack. Any thoughts from the SAA fans who have seen Huntingdon play more than I have?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2019, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 26, 2019, 12:32:24 AM
Looking forward to this game. I watched the whole game from Saturday and it seems that Huntingdon has a strong running back and a tough defensive line. UMHB has struggled to run against disciplined defensive lines this year. I think they give in a little too soon. From watching the game, it looks as if the secondary do the hawks is susceptible and that may be where we attack. Any thoughts from the SAA fans who have seen Huntingdon play more than I have?

The only SAA team to play Huntingdon besides Berry in the last three years is B-SC (who played them each of those years), but I can't remember the last time we had a B-SC poster here.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on November 27, 2019, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 26, 2019, 12:32:24 AM
Looking forward to this game. I watched the whole game from Saturday and it seems that Huntingdon has a strong running back and a tough defensive line. UMHB has struggled to run against disciplined defensive lines this year. I think they give in a little too soon. From watching the game, it looks as if the secondary do the hawks is susceptible and that may be where we attack. Any thoughts from the SAA fans who have seen Huntingdon play more than I have?
I would say that they definitely will want to establish the run first.  It was a rainy start, similar to the forecast for this Saturday.  They had two running backs that got most of the carries, both were effective at times.  I was impressed by their lines, I don't think they will have the depth as UMHB but they have a few starters that should hold their own. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 04, 2019, 12:03:23 PM
B-SC's RB Robert Shufford and Millsaps DL Liam Vincifora are the SAA representatives on this year's AFCA All-America team (https://www.afca.com/st-johns-jackson-erdmann-and-lake-forests-jordan-mcinerney-headline-the-2019-afca-division-iii-coaches-all-america-teams/).   Well-deserved, and congratulations!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on December 09, 2019, 09:31:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 04, 2019, 12:03:23 PM
B-SC's RB Robert Shufford and Millsaps DL Liam Vincifora are the SAA representatives on this year's AFCA All-America team (https://www.afca.com/st-johns-jackson-erdmann-and-lake-forests-jordan-mcinerney-headline-the-2019-afca-division-iii-coaches-all-america-teams/).   Well-deserved, and congratulations!

Yes, congratulations to both!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on December 10, 2019, 12:23:43 PM
Looks like the SAA had a decent representation on the All- South region team.
6 players on 1st team, 2 on second team and 3 on third. and not all were seniors.

well done.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Wild Horse Rider on December 10, 2019, 03:08:33 PM
Berry,

Back sometime in early November you made the point about the regional rankings being dominated by the state of Texas well the all-region selections are also Texas heavy.  20 out of the 77 selections claim Texas as their home state and only 2 of those left Texas to play in college.  This was followed up by 12 players from Virginia and 10 from Pennsylvania.  It was pretty spread out from a conference standpoint with the ASC with 15 players (9 from UMBH help) down to 10 from the USAC.  The ODAC had representatives from all 9 teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 12, 2019, 03:32:53 PM
B-SC's RB Robert Shufford was today named a finalist for the Gagliardi Trophy - congrats!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 15, 2020, 12:50:54 PM
Millsaps is in the market for a new head coach after Aaron Pelch today announced he would step on to take on the role of full-time AD at the school.   https://www.wjtv.com/news/pelch-named-director-of-athletics-at-millsaps-college/ (reposted with correct link)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on January 28, 2020, 08:53:39 AM
Good comments about Kinsey from the Shrine Bowl.

#5) Mason Kinsey (WR – Berry) 5'10″/191
The Hunter Renfrow-like prospect dominated DIII opponents. He posted 65 catches, 1,221 yards, 16 touchdowns in his final season at Berry College (11 games). In his final three seasons of college play, he posted consecutive seasons with 16 or more touchdowns.

It's not just looking at him and jumping to a Renfrow or Julian Edelman easy reference, but he runs terrific routes. He shows signs of a polished pro at the DIII level. You can tell he's either worked in his game or is just that natural to have compiled such receiver numbers without Olympic speed or freakish size.

Hunter Renfrow's skillset was undervalued in the draft, and he was well known. Kinsey will fight an uphill battle to get drafted coming from the DIII ranks with a lot of questions. He has the hands and work ethic of a rostered NFL wide receiver. The Combine/Pro Days will show us if he has the athleticism enough. It looks like he might.

When they run the one-on-one drills for the WRs v. DBs during practice week, Kinsey won/got open with moves much more than not. He's tough for the superior sized/athletic cover guys to keep up with because he's so sharp in his routes.

https://www.fantasypros.com/2020/01/2020-east-west-shrine-bowl-practice-notes-and-top-5-fantasy-prospects-preview/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on January 28, 2020, 09:09:14 AM
Here's another.  https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mason-kinsey-dream-nfl-wide-receiver/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on January 28, 2020, 11:55:12 AM
Good stuff. Pulling for him to get a good chance.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on January 29, 2020, 02:05:28 PM
I suspect he won't get drafted.  But I am sure he will get a few looks as an undrafted free agent.  Someone looking for a slot receiver and punt returner might take a chance on him.

He had a nice punt return in the Shrine game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2020, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on January 29, 2020, 02:05:28 PM
I suspect he won't get drafted.  But I am sure he will get a few looks as an undrafted free agent.  Someone looking for a slot receiver and punt returner might take a chance on him.

He had a nice punt return in the Shrine game.
He reminds me of Jerheme Urban. Caoch Urban hung around the pros a long time because of work ethic and excellent technique.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 05, 2020, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2020, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: BerryCollegeFan on January 29, 2020, 02:05:28 PM
I suspect he won't get drafted.  But I am sure he will get a few looks as an undrafted free agent.  Someone looking for a slot receiver and punt returner might take a chance on him.

He had a nice punt return in the Shrine game.
He reminds me of Jerheme Urban. Caoch Urban hung around the pros a long time because of work ethic and excellent technique.

And was apparently a hell of a team player.  Will never forget how the Seattle players went to bat for him after he suffered a season-ending injury and got cut - without benefits - late one year.  Little things like that matter when you're the last guy on the roster.  Seattle put him back on IR which let him rehab which led to the Chiefs signing him.

I wish Kinsey all the best.  He deserves a shot to show what he can do at the next level.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 10, 2020, 01:30:17 PM
Millsaps announced Issac Carter, former DC at Mt. San Antonio (CA) College, as their next head coach;

https://gomajors.com/news/2020/2/10/isaac-carter-named-as-new-head-football-coach.aspx

Among Coach Carter's previous stops was a stint at Colorado College, where he was DC for a season prior to the program being killed off.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 10, 2020, 03:10:44 PM
Non-conference games are starting to show up:  https://www.d3football.com/conf/SAA/2020/schedule
Speaking of Trinity, according to an Insta post by their T&F team, the home stands are being replaced before next season.  Hopefully the new press box will be larger than the old one. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on February 14, 2020, 03:09:14 PM
Berry loses DC Nate Masters to D2 West Georgia.  He's the first coordinator to move on from Berry.  He will be missed.

https://berryvikings.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/Nate_Masters_Named_Defensive_Coordinator_at_West_Georgia
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 23, 2020, 04:36:04 PM
Trinity loses DB coach Adam McGuire to TCU.  He will definitely be missed.  https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachMcGuire_/status/1231685579395518464


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2020, 01:53:24 PM
From Instagram, here is a mock-up of the home stand rebuild that was recently begun at Trinity.   It's not palatial but will present the school in a better light.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B89b4dKll7_/?igshid=1og6jedkk8umh

No I have no insight into whether or not this does anything about the visitor dressing room situation.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2020, 12:50:40 PM
More non-conference opponents courtesy https://www.d3football.com/conf/SAA/2020/schedule

Austin:  @Howard Payne, Sul Ross
B-SC: LaGrange, @Huntingdon
Millsaps:  @Belhaven, <TBD> (last year they didn't release their schedule until April)

Berry still TBD (last year they released it in early February)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on March 05, 2020, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2020, 12:50:40 PM
More non-conference opponents courtesy https://www.d3football.com/conf/SAA/2020/schedule

Austin:  @Howard Payne, Sul Ross
B-SC: LaGrange, @Huntingdon
Millsaps:  @Belhaven, <TBD> (last year they didn't release their schedule until April)

Berry still TBD (last year they released it in early February)

Man, you have to respect the Lobos of Sul Ross. If they want to play a full 10 game season with nothing but D3 opponents, Austin College is one of the closest games they can get and it is 8 hours each way!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 11, 2020, 06:05:34 PM
Trinity shutting down on-campus activities for the rest of the semester effective March 23, including athletics (so no spring practice, weight work, etc).   https://new.trinity.edu/emergency
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 05, 2020, 03:11:00 PM
Assuming we have football come fall  :( Berry playing at LaGrange on September 12th.   Their home non-conference game is still unknown (per https://www.d3football.com/teams/Berry/2020/index).   Millsaps' second non-conf game also still unknown.

Need to get a new photo of Trinity's stadium to Pat once the construction is complete - between the new home stands going in and the turf/scoreboard put in a year or two ago, it will look a bit different than the photo currently shown.

Yes, I am bored. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2020, 03:57:02 PM
Probably can assume Berry is playing Maryville -- we don't have a complete schedule for both and Berry hasn't changed up this schedule in a while.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 21, 2020, 11:28:19 AM
CARES act funding (https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/04/10/listing-funds-each-college-can-expect-receive-under-federal-stimulus) provided to SAA schools/afilliates (half must go to direct student relief)

Austin:  $1.3M
Berry:  $1.6M
Birmingham-Southern:  $1.1M
Centre:  $1.0M
Hendrix:  $1.1M
Millsaps:  $0.8M
Oglethorpe:  $1.3M
Rhodes:  $1.2M
Sewanee:  $1.M
Trinity: $1.7M

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 01, 2020, 11:13:59 AM
Coach Urban today announced Trinity's incoming football class (https://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2020-21/releases/2020_FY) of 32 student-athletes:  7 DB, 7 OL, 5 WR, 5 DL, 4 LB 2 RB, K/P, QB.  They aim for about 30 in each class so this is in-line with normal number.   

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 18, 2020, 11:39:38 AM
Trinity announced two additions to their coaching staff (https://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2020-21/releases/200616_assistant_hires):
- 11-year NFL veteran Marcus Coleman will now be full-time defensive backs coach; he was a part-time member of the staff in a similar role last season.  Coleman replaces Adam McGuire, now an assistant at Texas Christian University.
- Burt Stuart will serve as strength and conditioning coach, returning to the school he coached at from 2003-2008 before stops in Alabama, San Antonio, and Laredo.  Stuart replaces Mike Clark.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 15, 2020, 08:56:48 PM
Rhodes announced no on-campus activities this Fall (https://t.e2ma.net/webview/7iapec/b013fe568270cafb59428c2cce86260e) including athletics.  More similar announcements to come soon, no doubt.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 16, 2020, 12:20:40 PM
It doesn't directly impact football yet, but the SCAC called off Fall sports today (https://scacsports.com/news/covid19_update3) and it would seem highly unlikely to me that either Austin or Trinity would support football while no other sports were underway. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 16, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
Decision still pending on Sewanee's part as of 7/17.   I think our admin is waiting to see what the rest of the conference is going to do.

The isolation of our campus is one of the factors in the plan to open for on-ground instruction in mid-August.  Centre and Berry have similar advantages because of location and size of campuses. 

Berry has said they're reopening but are watching closely what's happening with the numbers in Georgia.

Interesting times...

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 16, 2020, 07:11:37 PM
Per a press release from Sewanee, the SAA has suspended all Fall sports.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 16, 2020, 07:12:22 PM
Here's the SAA's release:

https://www.saa-sports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200716slnbjk
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 20, 2020, 12:29:33 PM
Trinity announced their fall plans today which (somewhat surprisingly IMO given the 2000+ new COVID-19 cases in San Antonio yesterday alone) include some on-campus activities:  https://sites.google.com/trinity.edu/trinityuniversitycovid-19/reopening-campus

On campus access will be offered to:
- new students (first year/transfer, International, RA) - including residing on campus; all rooms will be singles
- students living in Bexar or contiguous county
- City Vista residents (this is a nearby apartment complex the school purchased for student use a couple years back)
- on a space-available basis, students in a number of categories including "Student athletes participating in fall and winter sports who must return to campus for conditioning, in hopes of competing once athletic conference restrictions are lifted."  S-As are the lowest of three prioritized groupings. 

Students in any category above have the option to decline on-campus residency/learning.   There are a number of scenarios listed which will cause campus closure.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 24, 2020, 03:55:24 PM
Starting to see good progress on the new home stands at Trinity (in what now apparently will be the "Multi-Sport Stadium").  It may not look like much compared to some other facilities, but it's a huge improvement over what was there for the last 30-35 years.  Wonder if they're going to adjust the track; anyone in Lane 8 might otherwise have a close encounter with a wall of the red brick kind (every building at Trinity has to have red brick).   https://twitter.com/TrinityUTigers/status/1286746266098163713   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Inkblot on August 13, 2020, 03:38:42 PM
Austin football is leaving the SAA for the ASC in 2021. https://ascsports.org/news/2020/8/13/austin-college-joins-asc-as-football-affiliate.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 13, 2020, 03:39:35 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on August 13, 2020, 03:38:42 PM
Austin football is leaving the SAA for the ASC in 2021. https://ascsports.org/news/2020/8/13/austin-college-joins-asc-as-football-affiliate.aspx

Cost-saving move.  They won't be competitive in the ASC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on August 13, 2020, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 13, 2020, 03:39:35 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on August 13, 2020, 03:38:42 PM
Austin football is leaving the SAA for the ASC in 2021. https://ascsports.org/news/2020/8/13/austin-college-joins-asc-as-football-affiliate.aspx

Cost-saving move.  They won't be competitive in the ASC.

Do you think they will be less competitive in the ASC than they were in SAA? It's been a few years but they didn't seem to be much worse off when they were in the ASC than they were SCAC/SAA. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 13, 2020, 04:48:04 PM
I think it's fair to say the average level of play in the ASC is higher than the SAA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on August 13, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 13, 2020, 04:48:04 PM
I think it's fair to say the average level of play in the ASC is higher than the SAA.

Fair enough, I agree that cost is a big time factor. As someone who loves to go to away games I have to admit being happy that we are losing a school that is close to 6 hours away and gaining one about 3 hours away.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2020, 12:56:27 PM
Interview in today's Express-News (https://www.expressnews.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/With-fall-athletics-canceled-Trinity-sets-sights-15487011.php) with TU AD Bob King on what current thinking is for moving fall athletics to spring (that's still the plan in some form), how athletics will practice during the fall and related topics.  A couple of quick nuggets:
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2020, 11:43:02 AM
B-SC's Shufford (1st team, RB) and Benning (2nd team, TE), Trinity's Edmonton (1st team, special teams), and Millsaps' Vincifora (2nd team, DE) are the SAA's representatives on the '20-'21 D3football.com All-America team (https://d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2020-preseason).   Congratulations to all and here's hoping there will be a chance to play in some form this school year. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 25, 2020, 11:23:28 PM
Hello all!

Usually I post items about WashU games that I have or will broadcast, or about general observations from other games and events.  However, this post regards a topic that is quite a bit different--with the athletic shoe being on the broadcaster's foot.

I am going to attempt to cover 100 miles in a solo charity ultramarathon through an event that I have organized.  "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" will be conducted in the subdivision where I live in St. Charles, MO, to raise awareness and research funds for Rett syndrome.  I get started at 9 a.m. Central on Saturday, October 3 and end at 5 p.m. Sunday, October 4.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

If you would like to make a donation to the cause, here is the link to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HSCTiger74 on September 26, 2020, 07:42:58 PM
   I wasn't exactly sure where this belonged but this seemed as appropriate as anywhere else.
   I noted during the announcement this afternoon that Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett is a graduate of Rhodes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2020, 03:49:27 PM
Story in the San Antonio Trinity student newspaper talks about proposed SAA football schedule:  four games in February in an east-west alignment with the east/west winners meeting in a championship game.

https://www.trinitonian.com/at-long-last-sports-on-the-verge-of-returning-to-trinity/

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on December 09, 2020, 01:36:21 PM
Going to be interesting to see how this works out with none of our teams being permitted to travel and all visiting teams being required to quarantine and test before being permitted to play.

https://www.sewaneetigers.com/general/2020-21/releases/20201207q61goq
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 10, 2020, 09:19:03 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on December 09, 2020, 01:36:21 PM
Going to be interesting to see how this works out with none of our teams being permitted to travel and all visiting teams being required to quarantine and test before being permitted to play.

https://www.sewaneetigers.com/general/2020-21/releases/20201207q61goq

The SAA published a statement on "return to play" yesterday which includes composite schedules, and that teams have the option to play at Sewanee but that games against Sewanee won't count in conference standings.  Dates at Sewanee in all sports are deemed optional:  https://saa-sports.com/news/2020/12/9/Return_To_Play.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 10, 2020, 09:29:11 AM
Here is the composite football schedule since schools have yet to update their individual websites.   Play will be on an East/West divisional basis with the leaders in each division meeting for the SAA championship in Little Rock at the end of the abbreviated season.


Week 1 - Feb. 6
West Schedule East Schedule
Austin at Trinity Berry - Bye (Sewanee optional)
Hendrix at Millsaps Centre at BSC
Rhodes - Bye Week

Week 2 - Feb. 13
West Schedule East Schedule
Trinity at Millsaps BSC at Berry
Austin at Hendrix Rhodes at Centre
Sewanee - Bye Week

Week 3 - Feb. 20
West Schedule East Schedule
Hendrix at Trinity Berry at Rhodes
Millsaps at Austin BSC - Bye (Sewanee optional)
Centre - Bye Week

Week 4 - Feb. 27
West Schedule East Schedule
Trinity at Austin Centre at Berry
Millsaps at Hendrix Rhodes - Bye (Sewanee optional)
BSC - Bye Week

Week 5 - March 6
West Schedule East Schedule
Bye/Make Up Date BSC at Rhodes
Bye/Make Up Date Centre - Bye (Sewanee optional)
Berry - Bye Week

Week 6 - March 13 - Little Rock, Ark.
Championship Day (winner West vs. winner East)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on December 10, 2020, 01:56:38 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 10, 2020, 09:29:11 AM
Here is the composite football schedule since schools have yet to update their individual websites.   Play will be on an East/West divisional basis with the leaders in each division meeting for the SAA championship in Little Rock at the end of the abbreviated season.


Week 1 - Feb. 6
West Schedule East Schedule
Austin at Trinity Berry - Bye (Sewanee optional)
Hendrix at Millsaps Centre at BSC
Rhodes - Bye Week

Week 2 - Feb. 13
West Schedule East Schedule
Trinity at Millsaps BSC at Berry
Austin at Hendrix Rhodes at Centre
Sewanee - Bye Week

Week 3 - Feb. 20
West Schedule East Schedule
Hendrix at Trinity Berry at Rhodes
Millsaps at Austin BSC - Bye (Sewanee optional)
Centre - Bye Week

Week 4 - Feb. 27
West Schedule East Schedule
Trinity at Austin Centre at Berry
Millsaps at Hendrix Rhodes - Bye (Sewanee optional)
BSC - Bye Week

Week 5 - March 6
West Schedule East Schedule
Bye/Make Up Date BSC at Rhodes
Bye/Make Up Date Centre - Bye (Sewanee optional)
Berry - Bye Week

Week 6 - March 13 - Little Rock, Ark.
Championship Day (winner West vs. winner East)

Like the idea of building in a bye/make up week, a little surprised they aren't joining the club of everyone getting the 5th game
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 18, 2020, 11:53:07 AM
I wonder if they will tweak the schedule now that Sewannee has backed out???  Now both sides will have 4 teams, previously it was 4 west, 5 east.  Maybe if both sides go to 3 conference games, we can add a non conference game.  Would like to see Huntingdon(in state rival) get on the schedule.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 22, 2020, 05:39:37 PM
Word is the East will have the same type schedule as the west, 4 games, playing one team home and away.  We might not see that schedule until January.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 28, 2020, 01:26:27 PM
Updated schedules are out reflecting Sewanee's decision to not play.

BSC now has:

Feb 6 at Rhodes
Feb 13 Berry comes to town
Feb 20 at Centre
Feb 27 Rhodes returns the visit

Championship still March 13th!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 08, 2021, 12:29:36 PM
SAA announces fan policy:  https://saa-sports.com/news/2021/1/8/mens-basketball-saa-announces-policy-for-fans.aspx

QuoteFans will be limited to only students, faculty, and staff members that are part of an SAA institution's COVID-19 on-campus community. These members of the campus community must be subject to all of their institution's COVID-19 protocols including, but not limited to regular testing.

At this current time no outside fans, parents, or spectators will be allowed at any SAA competition.

This was posted under "basketball"; I suppose it's possible that there may a change for football since it's outdoors, but we'll have to see.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on January 10, 2021, 03:22:37 PM
I'm hoping with it being 3 weeks away, they will update this policy before football begins.  Even if it's just to let family members in.  Right now at BSC, the only visitors allowed on campus is family. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 12, 2021, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on January 10, 2021, 03:22:37 PM
I'm hoping with it being 3 weeks away, they will update this policy before football begins.  Even if it's just to let family members in.  Right now at BSC, the only visitors allowed on campus is family.

Millsaps just posted this to twitter:

UPDATED CLARIFYING INFORMATION FOR FAN POLICY

-The policy as provided applies only to winter sports (basketball and swimming and diving).
-The policy will be continually evaluated throughout the semester, and any updates will be communicated to you as soon as possible.

https://twitter.com/MajorAthletics/status/1349029288914411522
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on January 12, 2021, 04:50:08 PM
That's good to see.  Hopefully we will get an update the week of the 25th.  Our first game is away, and my kid is a freshman, so attending that game depended on if he traveled with the team or not.  First home game is the 13th, so a month for things to get better. 

BSC has been very aggressive on keeping Covid off campus and did a great job during the fall semester, I don't expect any different from them this semester.  I'm still holding out hope that things settle down over the next month.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on January 30, 2021, 05:55:43 PM
The Senior Bowl, which is usually the end of not only the college season, but also the college career of some NFL bound football players, has been played.  We finally see ourselves starting the 2020 football season and begin game week preparations.  We are a week from kickoff, unfortunately we haven't yet received an update from the SAA that will allow fans to attend the games, but thanks to the internet age, we can stream the games at home.

Good luck to everyone in a successful season with minimal COVID effects as we try to get these games in.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 02, 2021, 12:20:21 PM
Looks like Berry and Centre have postponed this week's game until later in the season, though I haven't found anything saying why.   The SAA schedule still shows them playing, but both Centre and Berry's site have removed Saturday from the schedule.   They now have a home/away series now Feb 27/Mar 6.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 02, 2021, 08:01:09 PM
COVID issues at Center I believe.  Not having COVID, just campus being closed.  They have only been back on campus for two weeks for practice, so they delayed the start.  That is what I had been told.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 06, 2021, 10:24:21 AM
Game Day Finally!!!!

BSC @ Rhodes, I've got BSC in this one, obviously  6:00 kick
Centre @ Berry has been delayed until March 6th

In the west we have
Hendrix @ Millsaps  noon kick
Austina @ Trinity  noon kick

All times central. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2021, 12:45:55 PM
Beautiful day for the SAA opener in San Antonio with temperatures already in the low 60s expected to rise into the 70s as the day goes on.   

Next weekend, not so much for the two teams involved; Trinity will be at Millsaps with temps in Jackson hovering in the 30s, Austin at Hendrix where it could be in the 20s at game time. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2021, 04:11:09 PM
Wasn't always pretty but once Trinity quit making unforced errors they eased past Austin 35-24 today, holding the 'roos to negative rushing yardage (-3 yards on 22 attempts) and dominating defensively before AC's final lightning-fast drive.  Trinity's Austin Berkness had 124 yards and three TD catches on nine receptions as the Tigers outgained their opponents 482-221.  Plenty to work on towards next week's bone-chiller at Millsaps.

While there were quite a few injury timeouts, I only saw one that looked serious, a knee from one of AC's linebackers/DBs, so hopefully everyone else on both sides is OK for the rest of the season.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 07, 2021, 10:20:00 AM
BSC controlled the game from start to finish to take a 52-0 win at Rhodes.  Berry comes to town next week, winner of that game more then likely wins the East. 

Week 1 is now behind us, didn't see any injuries in the BCS-Rhodes game, hopefully everyone is healthy as we all move on to week two. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2021, 03:54:34 PM
Trinity @ Millsaps has been moved forward to an 11AM start on Saturday.  https://twitter.com/MajorAthletics/status/1359231558180368386

Temperature at kickoff is forecast to be 39 and remaining pretty much constant all afternoon, with winds from the north around 15mph.   No precipitation, at least.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2021, 02:36:28 PM
Pat reports AC at Hendrix has been postponed.

https://twitter.com/d3football/status/1359947640079855622
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 11, 2021, 05:40:44 PM
So now the current schedule for this weekend is:

Centre@Rhodes 3:30
Berry@BSC 6:00
Trinity@Millsaps  11:00

The Berry-BSC game this weekend could be the deciding game for the East. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 13, 2021, 09:11:32 AM
Week 2 Spring Season

Centre opens their season at home with Rhodes at 1:00 central time.
Berry opens their season at BSC at 6:00 central time.
Hendrix at Austin has been postponed due to weather.
Trinity plays at Millsaps with an 11:00 central kick.

I would imagine there will be a schedule update in another week to fix the games that have been postponed.  Hopefully this will be the last weekend of postponed games. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 13, 2021, 03:20:11 PM
AC-HX can play in the bye week before the SAA championship.   Pretty smart move by the conference to leave a week off, it may end up being one of the busiest weeks of the seaso).

Speaking of the SAA they updated their fan policy (https://saa-sports.com/news/2021/2/9/general-saa-announces-updated-fan-policy.aspx) to allow two family members per home team athlete - no visiting team or casual fans.  There were a few in the stands at Millsaps and I was wondering why. 

And speaking of Millsaps, Trinity eliminated the errors that plagued them last week and the result was a 37-7 win on the road that wasn't that close (the final score was reached midway through the third quarter and the third and fourth string TU QBs played the last 17 minutes of the game).   Hendrix comes to town next week and that may be the game that determines the West representative in the championship.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 14, 2021, 01:25:15 AM
BSC drops a heartbreaker to Berry, as Berry scores the go ahead TD with 11 seconds remaining.  Was a great game, we just came up a bit short this time.  We had the parents in the stands, and it was a cold night to sit out there. 

Centre also shuts out Rhodes in Nashville, home game for Rhodes. 

BSC travels to Centre next Saturday. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 16, 2021, 03:36:02 PM
Millsaps has postponed this week's game due to weather.   Their remaining schedule:

Saturday, Feb. 27 at Austin College - 12 pm (which is a surprise given that Trinity is already on AC's schedule).
Saturday, March 6 at Hendrix College - 12 pm

Have seen no change for HX at Trinity, but the weather in San Antonio should be much more pleasant than last week in Jackson with highs near 50.   

But MAN the SAA schedule (https://saa-sports.com/calendar.aspx?path=football) is a mess.   Showing two start times for BSC/Centre this week (1:30, 6:00pm).   Austin is now shown playing both Millsaps and Trinity next week, I guess AC and Trinity could play on March 6th, which is when  Rhodes is shown playing Rhodes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 16, 2021, 04:20:10 PM
March 6th is supposed to Rhodes at BSC, senior night for us. 

After this week, only Rhodes and BSC will have played all 3 games, and Rhodes moves their game from last Saturday to Nashville due to weather.

I'd really like to have another shot at Berry!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on February 16, 2021, 09:35:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 16, 2021, 03:36:02 PM
Millsaps has postponed this week's game due to weather.   Their remaining schedule:

Saturday, Feb. 27 at Austin College - 12 pm (which is a surprise given that Trinity is already on AC's schedule).
Saturday, March 6 at Hendrix College - 12 pm

Have seen no change for HX at Trinity, but the weather in San Antonio should be much more pleasant than last week in Jackson with highs near 50.   

But MAN the SAA schedule (https://saa-sports.com/calendar.aspx?path=football) is a mess.   Showing two start times for BSC/Centre this week (1:30, 6:00pm).   Austin is now shown playing both Millsaps and Trinity next week, I guess AC and Trinity could play on March 6th, which is when  Rhodes is shown playing Rhodes.

The second AC/Trinity game is not going to take place at this point. The postponed Hendrix game will be on 3/6, and Millsaps/AC gets bumped to next weekend. So at this point, all of Millsaps, Hendrix, Trinity, and Austin College will have played each other at least once, if I'm not mistaken. So the first AC/Trinity game will be the one that counts toward the standings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 17, 2021, 09:17:13 PM
BSC@Centre has been postponed.

I'm getting word that Rhodes may have shut it down and called it a year.  They had already moved location of the game last week due to weather, and was probably going to postpone this weekend due to weather, not sure how much practice they have been able to have. 

Weather is causing havoc on so much right now, and that includes the SAA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 18, 2021, 08:27:33 AM
Update on the east side of the schedule.

Original schedule for Feb 20th
Rhodes@ Berry
BSC@Centre

Rhodes has canceled the rest of their season, and BSC@Centre has been postponed due to weather

Original Feb 27th schedule
Rhodes@BSC
Centre@Berry

Now, apparently, BSC will travel to Centre, but play in Tennessee somewhere, not determined yet.  Which means Berry will not have anyone to play.  For those keeping score at home, Berry has only played one game so far, and could play Centre on March 6th.

As of now, only possible for one SAA game this weekend, Hendrix@Trinity, but I don't know how much practice Hendrix has been able to have this week due to weather.

What a mess.  Who would have imagined a weather pattern like this for the southeast, but considering the last year,  not surprising.  Glad they are playing, and still glad we tried in February, give the guys a little more time to heal before next fall season. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 18, 2021, 09:30:07 AM
Trinity hasn't had much practice time either - San Antonio got several inches of snow Monday, power has been an issue throughout the state and it's been below freezing most of the week.  According to a release (https://trinitytigers.com/general/2020-21/releases/20210217_winter_storm) yesterday Trinity is still "evaluating" whether the game will be played.   The amount HX has probably sunk into their non-refundable flight arrangements may be one big reason it hasn't already been called off, but weather-related issues might give them no choice.   After the power and now water debacles this week, Texas should change its travel motto to "Don't Mess With Texas - it's messed up enough already" (and I say that as a native who has lived here over 55 years).

Of course, it's supposed to be in the 70s by mid-week, but that doesn't help the situation this weekend. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 18, 2021, 10:15:46 AM
And it's snowing again there right now, maybe another inch or so today.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 18, 2021, 11:47:58 AM
The SAA website now shows all games are off for this weekend.  New schedule is as follows:

Week 3 - Feb. 20
Off

Week 4 - Feb. 27
West Schedule
Austin at Hendrix

East Schedule
Rhodes at Berry
Centre at BSC (likely at a neutral site)

Week 5 - March 5/6
West Schedule
Millsaps at Austin (March 5)
Hendrix at Trinity (March 6)

East Schedule
Berry at Centre (March 6)

Week 6 - March 13
Championship Week - Little Rock, Ark.

This still shows Rhodes playing games, so we will see what happens with that.  I hope they finish out the season.  Looks like everyone will play 3 games, each of their division teams.  I'm looking for a shocking win by Rhodes next week at Berry, if they are still playing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on February 18, 2021, 05:34:06 PM
As far as I know, Rhodes is still playing games and as above, the plan is for them to play at Berry Feb. 27th @ 2pm. A lot could change between now and then, with everyone, but have been told they are still planning on playing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 18, 2021, 06:24:17 PM
That's good to hear, glad they are going to finish it out.  Big Rhodes fan for the next 10 days!!!   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 20, 2021, 09:07:27 PM
So on April 10th Brevard(USA South member) is playing Suwanee(SAA) member.  If they can make this happen, then what is stopping Huntingdon and BSC getting on the field this spring??? 

Time to make this a reality!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2021, 07:42:13 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 18, 2021, 06:24:17 PM
That's good to hear, glad they are going to finish it out.  Big Rhodes fan for the next 10 days!!!   ;D

Given that Rhodes has been outscored 82-0, has one rushing first down while averaging 110 yards total offense in 2 games ... I wouldn't get my hopes up  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 22, 2021, 10:31:59 AM
What's the tie breaker scenario if BSC, Berry and Centre all end at 2-1??? 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on February 22, 2021, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 20, 2021, 09:07:27 PM
So on April 10th Brevard(USA South member) is playing Suwanee(SAA) member.  If they can make this happen, then what is stopping Huntingdon and BSC getting on the field this spring??? 

Time to make this a reality!!!

So someone actually took Suwanee up on their crazy COVID testing procedures and requirements.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2021, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: HookEmVikes on February 22, 2021, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 20, 2021, 09:07:27 PM
So on April 10th Brevard(USA South member) is playing Suwanee(SAA) member.  If they can make this happen, then what is stopping Huntingdon and BSC getting on the field this spring??? 

Time to make this a reality!!!

So someone actually took Suwanee up on their crazy COVID testing procedures and requirements.

Sewanee has had a couple of home basketball games as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 22, 2021, 04:54:06 PM
I guess if you want to play, you'll play by their rules.  And Suwanee has said they would pay for it all if you came to them, so nothing to lose. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2021, 05:15:55 PM
I'm sure it made perfect sense for BSC to play Sewanee at their place those games when Centre was unavailable because of COVID. Perfect case for when that makes sense to do it!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 22, 2021, 06:29:30 PM
BSC isn't playing them, Brevard is playing them. 

I want to play Huntingdon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 23, 2021, 08:35:54 AM
I'm glad the Sewanee players will have a chance to play a game this spring.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 26, 2021, 10:03:36 PM
After the conference took last week off due to the weather, we are back at it on Saturday.

EAST
BSC@Centre 2:00
Rhodes@Berry 2:00

WEST
Austin@Hendrix 12:00


Go BSC, Go Rhodes!!!  BSC needs some help from both Rhodes and Centre the last couple weeks.  Still not sure how a tie break would work.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 28, 2021, 10:55:49 AM
Current SAA standings headed into the final weekend of the regular season.

EAST
Berry 2-0
BSC 2-1
Center 1-1
Rhodes 0-3

WEST
Hendrix 2-0
Trinity 2-0
Austin 0-2
Millsaps 0-2

March 6 schedule

Berry@Centre 6:00 eastern, this could decide the East, or create a 3 team tie at the top
Hendrix@Trinity 10:00 central, this will decide the West
Millsaps@Austin 10:00 central, this will decide the seating positions for the west.

West side makes it easy for seating purposes, the East could be a complete mess if Centre pulls it off against Berry.  Needless to say, I will be watching that game very closely and rooting on the Colonels!!!!

Exciting last weekend in the conference!!!!


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2021, 08:38:24 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 26, 2021, 10:03:36 PM
Still not sure how a tie break would work.

In a three-way tie with no H2H differentiators the tie break is probably something like point differential in games between the three.  Right now Berry is +3, Centre is -7, BSC is +4.  In this scenario, if Centre upsets Berry, they would need to win by at least 12 to overcome BSC's +4, otherwise BSC gets to play next week.  And of course Berry makes it moot should they win.

If the conference includes all games (e.g. Rhodes), the numbers are Berry +50, Centre +23, BSC +56, basically assuring BSC of the right to play next week should Centre pull off the upset. 

In the unlikely event of a tie in differential, the conference could either look at the *other* point-differential scenario or just flip a coin.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 04, 2021, 09:06:16 AM
From what I'm hearing it's point differential, but not sure if it's all games or just the games involving all three.  Either way, I need Centre to pull off the win, I'll be watching closely on Saturday and pulling hard for the Colonials, but not to hard. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on March 04, 2021, 03:48:14 PM
Back from a long posting hiatus! Felt like all here might be interested in the details of the final championship weekend in Little Rock.

Click below for an article and video about how things will work at War Memorial Stadium.

https://hendrixwarriors.com/news/2020/12/18/football-hendrix-to-play-season-finale-at-war-memorial-stadium.aspx (https://hendrixwarriors.com/news/2020/12/18/football-hendrix-to-play-season-finale-at-war-memorial-stadium.aspx)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on March 04, 2021, 04:03:45 PM
Divisions have definitely livened up the conference race despite the bummer of winter storm cancellations. The Trinity / Hendrix game is a de-facto semifinal before championship week. Should be a good one!

Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 28, 2021, 10:55:49 AM
West side makes it easy for seating purposes, the East could be a complete mess if Centre pulls it off against Berry.  Needless to say, I will be watching that game very closely and rooting on the Colonels!!!!

Exciting last weekend in the conference!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2021, 07:18:36 AM
Quote from: albatross on March 04, 2021, 03:48:14 PM
Back from a long posting hiatus! Felt like all here might be interested in the details of the final championship weekend in Little Rock.

Click below for an article and video about how things will work at War Memorial Stadium.

https://hendrixwarriors.com/news/2020/12/18/football-hendrix-to-play-season-finale-at-war-memorial-stadium.aspx (https://hendrixwarriors.com/news/2020/12/18/football-hendrix-to-play-season-finale-at-war-memorial-stadium.aspx)

Interesting.   I had no idea that all the participating schools would travel to Little Rock for a game next weekend, thought it was only the top two seeds.   Thanks for the link and welcome back to the board!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: ITH radio on March 05, 2021, 09:08:13 AM
We interviewed BSC HC Tony Joe White on this week's recap show. He covered the SAA tiebreaker scenario (somewhat): https://fb.watch/41Z28VLkv9/

His interview starts after the Wk 4 highlights around the 29 min mark.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2021, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on March 05, 2021, 09:08:13 AM
We interviewed BSC HC Tony Joe White on this week's recap show. He covered the SAA tiebreaker scenario (somewhat): https://fb.watch/41Z28VLkv9/

His interview starts after the Wk 4 highlights around the 29 min mark.

This is well worth a watch, not only is the interview with Coach White worthy by itself, but the ITH crew reviewed all last week's SAA play including video highlights from BSC-Centre.   Thank you, gentlemen!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 05, 2021, 01:15:22 PM
I listened as well, very well done guys. 

Like they said, DIII in the southeast gets so little run due to it being DI or bust for so many guys.  The experience is the same, just on a smaller scale. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 05, 2021, 05:34:23 PM
Saturday March 6th schedule(all times central)

West
Hendrix@Trinity  10:00
Millsaps@Austin  12:00

East
Berry@Centre  5:00

This weekend is very important on both sides.  Should be some exciting football.

Come on Centre, BSC needs your help this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2021, 06:44:17 PM
LOL
- my wife and I are in San Antonio for rehearsals and a concert this weekend - we get out of the car and are greeted by most of the Hendrix team who are apparently staying here as well.

And of course we have rehearsal as the same time as the game!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 06, 2021, 12:00:15 PM
Hendrix@Trinity is currently 6-0 Hendrix.  Could very easily be 17-0 but Hendrix has missed an extra point, threw a INT in the end zone and missed a FG attempt. 

Trinity media is putting on a good show so far, very nice production.


Millsaps@Austin now showing an 11:45 kick time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on March 06, 2021, 01:25:19 PM
wow. Hendrix hangs on to win 13-3, stay undefeated, and win the SAA West. Ugly...but a win is a win is a win...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 06, 2021, 10:43:15 PM
Berry-Centre game looked a lot like the Trinity-Hendrix game.  Berry wins 18-17 in the first OT by going for 2 after the TD.  Berry plays Hendrix for the championship next weekend in Little Rock. 
BSC will play Trinity for bronze metal, not really sure what they are calling the other matchups. 

Really thought Centre was going to help the Panthers our and pull out that win. We had our chance against Berry but could get the defense off the field when Berry scored with 11 seconds to go.  But when it's all said and done, Berry was on top on the scoreboard after both games, congrats to them for winning the East. 

I'm glad we got the season in, glad the boys got to play, still excited there is one more game to go.  I'm ready for next season to have things back to normal.  Getting back on campus with tailgates and friends.  Bands and full stadiums.  Still have basketball, baseball and softball seasons to go, as well as all the Olympic sports this spring. 

GO PANTHERS!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on March 06, 2021, 11:31:06 PM
Hopefully the SAA Championship stream is put together ok... from the Hendrix press release:

QuoteMemphis Tigers football SIDs added to Hendrix's gameday coverage

Tammy DeGroff and Jen Hannah, the award winning media relations contacts for Memphis Tigers football with a combined five decades of experience and veterans of productions for ESPN's College Gameday and The Cotton Bowl, have been added to Hendrix's gameday coverage team for video production and social media (@HendrixFootball).

Acri, Moore join Bryant on Hendrix audio broadcast on Warrior Sports Network

Justin Acri and Wess Moore, co-hosts of "The Zone" weekdays from 10 a.m.-1 p.m. on 103.7 The Buzz, are set to join Jackson Bryant to provide the Hendrix audio broadcast on the Warrior Sports Network. Acri will provide play-by-play, with Moore to serve as analyst and Bryant sideline reporter.

Acri serves as general manager and program director for 103.7 The Buzz.

Moore is the Fox 16 sports director, has covered the PGA Tour, MLB, NFL, NBA, bowl games, NCAA tournament games, College World Series, Super Bowl and BCS National Championship and hosts the Arkansas Razorbacks men's basketball postgame show during its season on 103.7 The Buzz. He is a two-time winner of the sports reporter of the year by the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Moore was also named the National Sports Media Association Arkansas Broadcaster of the Year in 2016.

Bryant, a former Hendrix kicker from 2016-19, served as analyst for the Warriors' broadcast on the Warrior Sports Network in their 49-31 win over Austin (Texas) on Feb. 27 at Young-Wise Memorial Stadium.

Voice of AutoZone Liberty Bowl to do PA for Hendrix game

Chuck Roberts, the public address announcer for all football games at the Liberty Bowl in Memphis, Tenn., since 1999, has signed on to do PA for Hendrix's game. Roberts has been a stalwart for the Memphis Tigers and AutoZone Liberty Bowl for the past 22 seasons and has also served as a public address announcer for the NBA's Memphis Grizzlies, NFL's Tennessee Titans, NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship South Region semifinal and final and professional boxing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 07, 2021, 05:46:31 PM
I though Centre and Trinity both out on a good media show yesterday.  Hopefully it's a great broadcast for the Champiosnhip weekend.  I'll be watching all day Saturday I'm sure.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 08, 2021, 08:43:45 AM
Congrats to Hendrix for the hammer they put down on the TU passing attack on Saturday, should make for an interesting championship game this week.   The hallmark of the TU defense has been bend but not break for the last few years but there's only so much they can do when the offense can't put points on the board.  The bronze medal game against B-SC should be a good one, too. 

The HX players we encountered at the hotel were all fine representatives of their school and their program, not that you expect anything different in D3, but kudos to them for their courtesy and for dealing with the COVID-related bizarreness in a surprisingly full hotel with the world's SLOWEST elevators. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2021, 12:24:09 PM
For anyone thinking about making a trip to Little Rock, tickets *are* available for each of the four games ($15 general admission; $40 Club Level, limited to 50 per team) as are tailgating spaces.   Full details here (https://hendrixwarriors.com/sports/2021/3/5/saa-football-championship-weekend.aspx). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on March 09, 2021, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2021, 12:24:09 PM
For anyone thinking about making a trip to Little Rock, tickets *are* available for each of the four games ($15 general admission; $40 Club Level, limited to 50 per team) as are tailgating spaces.   Full details here (https://hendrixwarriors.com/sports/2021/3/5/saa-football-championship-weekend.aspx).

Interested to see what club level seating is at a stadium that holds 50,000+ when only a few thousand at most will be at the game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 09, 2021, 04:58:30 PM
I called the stadium to find out.  Club Level is inside the first floor of the press box.  It will include food and drinks and a bar set up as well.  Only 50 per team allowed in the club level, assuming it is separated into two sides. 

My first assumption was the "club level" were the first three rows of the stadium that has the seats with chair backs. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on March 09, 2021, 05:32:21 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 09, 2021, 04:58:30 PM
I called the stadium to find out.  Club Level is inside the first floor of the press box.  It will include food and drinks and a bar set up as well.  Only 50 per team allowed in the club level, assuming it is separated into two sides. 

My first assumption was the "club level" were the first three rows of the stadium that has the seats with chair backs.

Ok wow, yeah I was thinking more along the lines of what you were thinking. But that sounds like a good deal, of course after watching so many D3 games which allow for such close access to the file, I always find it weird to be that far away from the action. 

Bravo to the SAA for this plan, seems like a great solution to the weirdness of this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2021, 10:13:52 PM
If we were still living north of Dallas I'd head up there for at least the championship and third-place games ... but from Austin I'd have to spring for a flight and probably at least one night in the hotel and naah.   A great way for the players to end a strange season to be sure!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2021, 09:56:44 AM
I will be in attendance. Normally I would say hi to people but I am still going to operate as though we are living in a pandemic. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 13, 2021, 12:26:09 PM
The SAA now has an app for Firestick and Ruku, the games today will be on the app.  Hopefully all SAA sports are now streamed on the app.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 13, 2021, 03:49:39 PM
Trinity wins the first game of the weekend, 38-15 over BSC. 

Championship game will be at 6:00 central Berry v Hendrix.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 13, 2021, 04:03:23 PM
Great to hear you on the halftime interview today, Pat, though of course my wife picked almost that exact moment to ask me for help with her laptop.

B-SC had the turnover bug Trinity had last week and that made the difference today.  It's a different game if the Panthers score either of the times before the half they had the ball deep in Trinity territory, and of course the first turnover led to the only TD of the first half for Trinity after they had struggled to do anything offensively.   The other big difference was no Robert Shufford in the backfield - hope that he is OK, but it's a shame he did not play in what could be the last game of his career (that said, he has the option to return next year as do all seniors).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 13, 2021, 04:20:54 PM
BSC had 3 out due to issues.  Missing the RB and a strong WR definitely seemed to effect the offense.  Defense played well for BSC, but the Trinity D came up with the plays needed to win the ball game. 

Congrats to Trinity!!!

Berry and Hendrix should be a good one as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 13, 2021, 09:59:21 PM
Berry wins the SAA with a 21-20 win over Hendrix.  Congrats to them, their games against BSC, Centre and Hendrix were all last minute, last play types of games.  But in the end, they were ahead in the scoreboard. 

Congrats Berry!!!

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2021, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 13, 2021, 04:03:23 PM
Great to hear you on the halftime interview today, Pat, though of course my wife picked almost that exact moment to ask me for help with her laptop.

B-SC had the turnover bug Trinity had last week and that made the difference today.  It's a different game if the Panthers score either of the times before the half they had the ball deep in Trinity territory, and of course the first turnover led to the only TD of the first half for Trinity after they had struggled to do anything offensively.   The other big difference was no Robert Shufford in the backfield - hope that he is OK, but it's a shame he did not play in what could be the last game of his career (that said, he has the option to return next year as do all seniors).

Thanks. I'm going to assume he is OK. He didn't test positive, but was held out for contact tracing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 14, 2021, 09:17:04 PM
On the last day of SAA spring football season, Centre beat Austin 44-20 and Millsaps beat Rhodes 27-13.

So it ends like this:

Berry(champions)4-0
Hendrix 3-1
Trinity 3-1
BSC 2-2
Centre 2-2
Austin 1-3
Millsaps 1-3
Rhodes 0-4

Now the guys get a short break before a spring practice prepare for a normal season next year.  Congrats to all the teams for finishing the season.

Sewanee chose to not play games away from home and played no games so far, however, they are scheduled to go Greensboro on April 3rd and Brevard on April 10th.  Both teams out of the USA South.


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 15, 2021, 09:01:47 AM
Of course, that's Rhodes 0-4 and not Trinity :D - and I was happy to see the Lynx nearly double their season offensive scoring output yesterday.

Congrats to Berry who are probably pretty thankful for that missed XP by Hendrix in the fourth quarter on Saturday given the way they stalled offensively in the second half.  One of these years someone else will win the championship outright but until they do the SAA is a Berry-colored world. 

Kudos to the SAA for pulling this short season off despite the myriad COVID challenges, and for giving *all* the teams a unique experience last weekend in Little Rock.   I hope the seniors who are not electing or able to return next season got some kind of closure on their collegiate football experience thanks to the SAA, the schools, and their fellow student-athletes doing what they could this year. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 15, 2021, 09:34:19 AM
Yeah, bonehead move, I got Rhodes in there now.  It may be a Berry world, but only by inches and seconds.  They scored the go ahead TD against BSC with 11 seconds to go, Centre took them to OT where Berry went for 2 in the first OT to win by 1, and they miss going into OT with Hendrix off a missed extra point that bounced off the upright if I remember correctly. 

Normal season next year should be a lot of fun. Between Berry, BSC, Centre, Hendrix and Trinity, it's really any of theirs to take.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: ITH radio on March 17, 2021, 10:59:01 AM
Most entertaining / best brand of D3FB so far this spring season IMO. A lot of fun to watch and cover.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 18, 2021, 02:57:50 PM
This week's ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2021/03/18/atn-podcast-281-could-spring-games-lead-to-spring-practice/) is full of great SAA content.   Among other things:


There's more, see the link above for details and the link to the podcast which clocks in at about an hour.

Thanks for the love and respect for the conference, Pat.   Wish we had a few more folks here to appreciate the work you've put in. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2021, 09:19:27 AM
I appreciate you saying that. I suppose I should have handed out D3football.com/D3boards.com flyers at the games!

As I said in the podcast, it was fun just to be there and walk the sidelines on a day when I could really focus on the games at hand and not have to also be distracted by keeping the scoreboard and Twitter updated on another hundred games elsewhere.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 26, 2021, 07:31:33 PM
SAA announced all-conference teams (https://saa-sports.com/news/2021/3/26/saa-announces-all-saa-football-awards.aspx) today.

Offensive POTYs:  Aaron Rideaux of Austin and Robert Shufford of Birmingham-Southern
Defensive POTYs:  Campbell Miller of Trinity and Clayton Bell of Centre
Newcomers OTY:  James Ogunrin of Trinity and Trentin Dupper of Centre
Special Team POTYs:  Michael Edmonson of Trinity and Brock Skinner of Berry
Coach of the Year:  Tony Kunczeski, Berry

Despite being named co-POTY, Trinity's Campbell Miller was not one of the four DLs named  first team all-SAA.

There were 14 players named 1st team offense, 13 named 1st team defense, 27 named 2nd team offense, 37 named 2nd team defense.   No explanation as to the critieria for selection was provided; perhaps they took the top so many at each position and ties for first string and everyone else who exceeded a threshold of votes (or received votes) for second.

Berry (4-0):  8 1st team, 9 2nd team; COTY, 1 POTY
BSC (2-2):   5 1st team, 13 2nd team; 1 POTY
Centre (2-2):  4 1st team, 9 2nd team; 2 POTY
Hendrix (3-1): 3 1st team, 10 2nd team
Trinity (3-1):  3 1st team, 7 2nd team; 3 POTY
Austin (1-3):  4 1st team, 5 2nd team; 1 POTY
Millsaps (1-3):  11 2nd team
Rhodes (0-4):  no recognition
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 04, 2021, 10:54:45 AM
Sewanee played one of their two spring games yesterday.  Lost to Greensboro 24-21.

They play Brevard next weekend.  Glad they got those guys a couple games to play, ready for a normal season in the fall.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on April 06, 2021, 11:40:22 AM
It was good to see our team to get some time on the field.   It's been a rather messed up semester on the Mountain this year.

The Tigers weren't able to capitalize on some late opportunities to take back the lead late in the game.

I agree, really am ready for a normal season in the Fall!

Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 04, 2021, 10:54:45 AM
Sewanee played one of their two spring games yesterday.  Lost to Greensboro 24-21.

They play Brevard next weekend.  Glad they got those guys a couple games to play, ready for a normal season in the fall.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2021, 09:36:37 PM
Trinity has posted their schedule for the fall (https://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2021-22/schedule).  The Tigers open at home with McMurry (TX) followed by Macalester, then visit Texas Lutheran.  The SAA season starts with a bang (again) at Berry.

That's quite a trip for the Scots and I hope Trinity returns the favor the following season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on April 26, 2021, 01:12:56 PM
After the season-ending tournament this spring I've been thinking how cool it would be to have an end-of season crossover with another conference for the non-tournament qualifying teams. SAA and USA South makes the most sense to me based on region, parity, and academic profiles (considering these ventures always require alignment at the presidential/chancellor level)...but of course ASC and ODAC could work, too...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on April 27, 2021, 06:50:45 PM
Not exactly football-related but I know many of you who have traveled to The Mountain for football have stayed or eaten at Jim Oliver's Smokehouse in Monteagle.   They suffered a major fire on their property today with what looks to be a total loss of their restaurant and damage to one of their motel buildings.   I've not heard of any injuries and I'm praying for the folks who may have lost their livelihoods today.      Here's a wish that they are able to recover and rebuild.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2021, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: albatross on April 26, 2021, 01:12:56 PM
After the season-ending tournament this spring I've been thinking how cool it would be to have an end-of season crossover with another conference for the non-tournament qualifying teams. SAA and USA South makes the most sense to me based on region, parity, and academic profiles (considering these ventures always require alignment at the presidential/chancellor level)...but of course ASC and ODAC could work, too...

This is an interesting idea and I wonder how you could make it work with the NCAA restricting teams to ten regular-season games ... then remembered that there are these ECAC "bowl games" that allow non-qualifying teams to have a post-season.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on May 01, 2021, 08:15:09 AM
BSC plays their spring game today at 4:00.  I'm ready to see the boys on the field at home, since we only had one home game during the season.  I'll be on the Hilltop this afternoon, getting sun burned I'm sure.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on May 06, 2021, 09:06:28 AM
Rhodes has hired current Berry OC Rich Duncan as their new HC in football.  It will be interesting to see how Rhodes gets better and if Berry stumbles a bit on offense with Duncan gone.  He has been the OC at Berry for the past 8 seasons. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryViking92 on May 06, 2021, 10:05:59 AM
Man hate to see Coach Duncan, and his play calling, go.  Best of luck to him at Rhodes ... I wonder who will get the OC job??
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HookEmVikes on May 06, 2021, 11:11:14 AM
Quote from: BerryViking92 on May 06, 2021, 10:05:59 AM
Man hate to see Coach Duncan, and his play calling, go.  Best of luck to him at Rhodes ... I wonder who will get the OC job??

I believe Coach Colin Duling will get the nod as OC and an OLine coach will be hired to take Coach Duncan's place
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 07, 2021, 01:14:22 PM
Good luck to Coach Duncan and Rhodes.   Looks like a great hire for them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on May 20, 2021, 01:06:14 PM
I see where Berry has a game at Wisconsin-Whitewater this season. Nice non-conf pickup there. Big challenge. Anybody know if this is a home-and-home? if we are still open that week next season I would be tempted to drive up for that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on June 02, 2021, 11:10:41 AM
Trinity putting their own spin on their "elite" prospect camp that most schools host by partnering with coaches from the Ivy League schools and Rice:

https://camps.jumpforward.com/TrinityUniversityFootballCamps (https://camps.jumpforward.com/TrinityUniversityFootballCamps)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on June 02, 2021, 04:43:06 PM
Hendrix 2021 schedule announced today featuring 2 neutral site games:

9/4 @ Austin College
BYE
9/18 vs Howard Payne (neutral at Children's Health Stadium in Prosper, TX)
BYE
10/16 @ Rhodes
10/9 vs BSC
10/2 @ Centre
10/23 vs Berry
10/30 @ Trinity
11/6 vs Millsaps (neutral at War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock, AR)
11/13 @ Sewanee

Only 3 "home" games and traveling to Centre, Trinity, and Sewanee in the same season is fairly brutal...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 11, 2021, 08:40:05 PM
Still waiting for BSC to post the schedule.  Although I could probably put it together from all the other teams that have posted theirs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 12, 2021, 11:29:44 AM
Did my research, and building off others posted schedule this is what BSC's schedule will be.

Sep 4-Lagrange 6:00pm
Sep 11-Huntington 6:00pm

Oct 2-Sewanee
Oct 9- @Hendrix 1:00pm
Oct 16- @Centre 12:00pm
Oct 23- Rhodes
Oct 30- @Berry 2:00pm
Nov 6- Trinity
Nov 13- @Millsaps 1:00pm

I am missing an out of conference game that I can't find.  Not sure if all times are eastern or central, probably a combination of both.  I had thought we had an OOC game in Virginia, but I have checked every DIII in Virginia and couldn't find anyone with us on the schedule.  I sure hope we have someone on schedule, would really not like a 9 game schedule and a 3 week break after week 2.

EDIT:  Maybe the game in Virginia fell through, and they are waiting for another OOC game to be firmed up before releasing the schedule.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 13, 2021, 10:20:39 PM
Sewanee's schedule seems unusually loaded with home games this year.   
Sewanee's schedule has at least one new name in our OOC slate.   Looks like we're going to the far hinterlands to open the season with a trip up to MN. We're far enough into Coach Rundle's tenure on the Mountain that one hopes to see some better results this year. 

9/4   at St. Scholastica
9/11   at Washington and Lee
9/18   Westminster (Mo.)
10/2   at Birmingham Southern
10/9   Rhodes
10.16 at Berry
10/23 Trinity
10/30 at Millsaps
11/6   Centre
10/13 Hendrix
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 14, 2021, 09:47:50 AM
With Austin leaving the conference this year, we all gained an extra OOC game, which can mine a lot of fun.  See new teams and spread our SAA wings for better conference standing.  I know a school in the New England conference just called it quits, so there are teams that are going to need a game.  Also, we have a road game to give, we can go to them and play them.  So if we have firmed up our 3rd OOC game, we shouldn't have a problem getting it.  Just may have to go further away to get there then previously expected.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: @d3jason on June 14, 2021, 09:58:01 AM
Salisbury has an opening.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on June 14, 2021, 02:27:29 PM
With Averett leaving for the ODAC next year the USA South will be back to 3 OOC games so that will be a chance to set up some good matchups. Our games we used to have with Millsaps were usually good games. Maybe we can get that one going again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 14, 2021, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on June 13, 2021, 10:20:39 PM
Sewanee's schedule seems unusually loaded with home games this year.   
Sewanee's schedule has at least one new name in our OOC slate.   Looks like we're going to the far hinterlands to open the season with a trip up to MN. We're far enough into Coach Rundle's tenure on the Mountain that one hopes to see some better results this year. 

9/4   at St. Scholastica
9/11   at Washington and Lee
9/18   Westminster (Mo.)
10/2   at Birmingham Southern
10/9   Rhodes
10.16 at Berry
10/23 Trinity
10/30 at Millsaps
11/6   Centre
10/13 Hendrix

5 home, 5 away, but you do get 4 of 7 SAA games at home.  With an odd number of teams in the conference now it's going to break that way every other year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on June 15, 2021, 11:49:18 AM
More USA South-SAA matchups would be fun. I do think that we may see more Texas/ASC OOC matchups for Hendrix given that many recruits, players, and coaches have Texas ties...

Just a guess, though!

Quote from: Hawks88 on June 14, 2021, 02:27:29 PM
With Averett leaving for the ODAC next year the USA South will be back to 3 OOC games so that will be a chance to set up some good matchups. Our games we used to have with Millsaps were usually good games. Maybe we can get that one going again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 15, 2021, 09:31:38 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 14, 2021, 08:56:26 PM
5 home, 5 away, but you do get 4 of 7 SAA games at home.  With an odd number of teams in the conference now it's going to break that way every other year.

Was definitely thinking conference schedule.   Could see that being a plus for any of the conference teams in this situation who are contending for a championship.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 16, 2021, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: albatross on June 15, 2021, 11:49:18 AM
More USA South-SAA matchups would be fun. I do think that we may see more Texas/ASC OOC matchups for Hendrix given that many recruits, players, and coaches have Texas ties...

Just a guess, though!

Quote from: Hawks88 on June 14, 2021, 02:27:29 PM
With Averett leaving for the ODAC next year the USA South will be back to 3 OOC games so that will be a chance to set up some good matchups. Our games we used to have with Millsaps were usually good games. Maybe we can get that one going again.

Note that with Austin going from SAA to ASC for football there's only one OOC opportunity for each ASC team (the same as in years past as Louisiana College is leaving D3 for NAIA next season).   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on June 16, 2021, 02:55:36 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on June 14, 2021, 09:58:01 AM
Salisbury has an opening.

September 18th and October 9th are the openings. Already have 5 home games, pretty sure they are willing to travel. Can meet at neutral site if contract is setup adequately and approved by each AD and neutral site location.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on June 17, 2021, 09:12:54 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on June 12, 2021, 11:29:44 AM
Did my research, and building off others posted schedule this is what BSC's schedule will be.

Sep 4-Lagrange 6:00pm
Sep 11-Huntington 6:00pm

Oct 2-Sewanee
Oct 9- @Hendrix 1:00pm
Oct 16- @Centre 12:00pm
Oct 23- Rhodes
Oct 30- @Berry 2:00pm
Nov 6- Trinity
Nov 13- @Millsaps 1:00pm

I am missing an out of conference game that I can't find.  Not sure if all times are eastern or central, probably a combination of both.  I had thought we had an OOC game in Virginia, but I have checked every DIII in Virginia and couldn't find anyone with us on the schedule.  I sure hope we have someone on schedule, would really not like a 9 game schedule and a 3 week break after week 2.

EDIT:  Maybe the game in Virginia fell through, and they are waiting for another OOC game to be firmed up before releasing the schedule.
Huntingdon published our schedule today and it has BSC@HC while the calendar on HC's school website still has @BSC. Not sure which is wrong.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on June 18, 2021, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on June 17, 2021, 09:12:54 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on June 12, 2021, 11:29:44 AM
Did my research, and building off others posted schedule this is what BSC's schedule will be.

Sep 4-Lagrange 6:00pm
Sep 11-Huntington 6:00pm

Oct 2-Sewanee
Oct 9- @Hendrix 1:00pm
Oct 16- @Centre 12:00pm
Oct 23- Rhodes
Oct 30- @Berry 2:00pm
Nov 6- Trinity
Nov 13- @Millsaps 1:00pm

I am missing an out of conference game that I can't find.  Not sure if all times are eastern or central, probably a combination of both.  I had thought we had an OOC game in Virginia, but I have checked every DIII in Virginia and couldn't find anyone with us on the schedule.  I sure hope we have someone on schedule, would really not like a 9 game schedule and a 3 week break after week 2.

EDIT:  Maybe the game in Virginia fell through, and they are waiting for another OOC game to be firmed up before releasing the schedule.
Huntingdon published our schedule today and it has BSC@HC while the calendar on HC's school website still has @BSC. Not sure which is wrong.
According to a tweet this morning the BSC game is at HC.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 18, 2021, 01:44:22 PM
Yeah, our schedule has finally dropped.  You guys are showing 6 home games, we only have 4 this season, that sucks. 

Here's our posted schedule now.

Sep 4-LaGrange 6:00
Sep 11-@Huntingdon 6:00
Sep 18-@Arkansas Baptist 1:00
Sep 25-Bye
Oct 2-Sewanee 6:00
Oct 9-@Hendrix 1:00
Oct 16-@Centre 12:00
Oct 23-Rhodes 4:30 (Homecoming)
Oct 30-@Berry 3:00
Nov 6-Trinity 12:00
Nov 13-@Millsaps 1:00

By year, it should have been Huntingdon coming to us, by games played, it is our turn to return to Montgomery.  Maybe next year we will have 6 home games. 


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 18, 2021, 01:56:28 PM
I looked up Arkansas Baptist, they are a small HBCU that has difficulty maintaining accreditation.  The best I could tell, they compete in NJCAA, that's Junior College, for most sports.  Not sure where in Little Rock we are playing unless we will be playing at War Memorial, I couldn't find facilities even when looking at a map. 

A little disappointed this is our 10th game we needed and we are traveling there instead of them coming to us.  On top of only having 4 home games.......
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on June 18, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Checking their schedules from the last couple seasons, their home games were listed as at Quigley Stadium which comes up at Little Rock Central High School. I don't like that game. Wish you could've come up with something better.

Edit: I did find tweets from the last couple of weeks that they are moving to NAIA and are 4 yr so I at least it's not junior college.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 18, 2021, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on June 18, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Checking their schedules from the last couple seasons, their home games were listed as at Quigley Stadium which comes up at Little Rock Central High School. I don't like that game. Wish you could've come up with something better.

Edit: I did find tweets from the last couple of weeks that they are moving to NAIA and are 4 yr so I at least it's not junior college.

Enrollment a little over 500 students.   Ouch.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 18, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 18, 2021, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on June 18, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Checking their schedules from the last couple seasons, their home games were listed as at Quigley Stadium which comes up at Little Rock Central High School. I don't like that game. Wish you could've come up with something better.

Edit: I did find tweets from the last couple of weeks that they are moving to NAIA and are 4 yr so I at least it's not junior college.

Enrollment a little over 500 students.   Ouch.

Yeah, not real sure about this pick up.  In the end, all that matters is we win.  Even their athletic website is incomplete.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Gray Fox on June 29, 2021, 05:58:53 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on June 18, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 18, 2021, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on June 18, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Checking their schedules from the last couple seasons, their home games were listed as at Quigley Stadium which comes up at Little Rock Central High School. I don't like that game. Wish you could've come up with something better.

Edit: I did find tweets from the last couple of weeks that they are moving to NAIA and are 4 yr so I at least it's not junior college.

Enrollment a little over 500 students.   Ouch.

Yeah, not real sure about this pick up.  In the end, all that matters is we win.  Even their athletic website is incomplete.
I've been trying to find more on them.  They gave out both bachelors and associate degrees this last year.

But the only comparison I found (take with a BIG grain of salt) is this comparison on the Massey site.  Other sites didn't seem to have them. This is the predicted score.  Don't shoot the messenger.
https://masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=358435&oid0=714&h=0&s1=358435&oid1=323
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 29, 2021, 07:27:23 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 29, 2021, 05:58:53 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on June 18, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 18, 2021, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on June 18, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Checking their schedules from the last couple seasons, their home games were listed as at Quigley Stadium which comes up at Little Rock Central High School. I don't like that game. Wish you could've come up with something better.

Edit: I did find tweets from the last couple of weeks that they are moving to NAIA and are 4 yr so I at least it's not junior college.

Enrollment a little over 500 students.   Ouch.

Yeah, not real sure about this pick up.  In the end, all that matters is we win.  Even their athletic website is incomplete.
I've been trying to find more on them.  They gave out both bachelors and associate degrees this last year.

But the only comparison I found (take with a BIG grain of salt) is this comparison on the Massey site.  Other sites didn't seem to have them. This is the predicted score.  Don't shoot the messenger.
https://masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=358435&oid0=714&h=0&s1=358435&oid1=323

I have tried to research them and coming up pretty empty.  As far as I know they could be giving 50 football scholarships a year.  They seem to play a lot of JuCos, so maybe they are a type of prep school when it comes to football.  In previous seasons they have put up some points and won games.  So I'm not sure what we are going into there.  Like I said before, doesn't matter who we think they are, we just need to win. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 29, 2021, 11:43:46 PM
Continuing my search I have found a few things.  Ark Baptist has been playing NJCAA(Junior college) sports up until now.  They are currently transitioning to NAIA and have joined the Sooner Athletic Conference.  They should have scholarshipped athletes.  It is still a small school, but they are on an attendance push, actually offering the first 500 students to register for this fall tuition with no debt, they never said free, just no debt, so not sure what that means.

Should be an interesting road trip for us, now just have to get through the next 8 weeks and get to the season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 01, 2021, 12:38:41 PM
65 days boys and girls!!!  Won't be long that athletes are reporting to campus for fall practice!!!! 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 01, 2021, 04:21:02 PM
New regional alignments (https://www.d3football.com/notables/2021/07/division-iii-football-new-look-2021) as published today by D3football.com put SAA football schools in "Region 3" along with USAC, PAC, ODAC. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Gray Fox on July 01, 2021, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 01, 2021, 04:21:02 PM
New regional alignments (https://www.d3football.com/notables/2021/07/division-iii-football-new-look-2021) as published today by D3football.com put SAA football schools in "Region 3" along with USAC, PAC, ODAC.
OH good. Just when I figured out north south east and west.  Playoff brackets will be interesting.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 03, 2021, 12:11:29 PM
So will the board be reorganizing into 6 regions, or just leave it as is???
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: RowanPhan on July 04, 2021, 10:27:26 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 03, 2021, 12:11:29 PM
So will the board be reorganizing into 6 regions, or just leave it as is???
Ha I was thinking the same question today.  I assume they keep it as is
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 05, 2021, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: RowanPhan on July 04, 2021, 10:27:26 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 03, 2021, 12:11:29 PM
So will the board be reorganizing into 6 regions, or just leave it as is???
Ha I was thinking the same question today.  I assume they keep it as is

Huh -- no, it hadn't even occurred to me! It is possible to realign the board, though, and we will do so.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 08, 2021, 10:18:11 AM
Does anyone see the NIL trickling down to the D3 level.  Any athletes going to get a benefit out of it???  I could see it if the D3 program is the only program in the area, but like in Birmingham, where BSC is the fourth program in the Birmingham metro area, hard to gain any attention for those athletes in this market. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on July 08, 2021, 02:27:14 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 08, 2021, 10:18:11 AM
Does anyone see the NIL trickling down to the D3 level.  Any athletes going to get a benefit out of it???  I could see it if the D3 program is the only program in the area, but like in Birmingham, where BSC is the fourth program in the Birmingham metro area, hard to gain any attention for those athletes in this market.

I think it's unlikely that many D3 players will get much out of it for the sport they play. I could see some of them who have some kind of social media following for something else getting paid without repercussion. But I find it doubtful that the Name, Image or Likeness of a D3 athlete, as an athlete, is worth much money to anyone.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 08, 2021, 08:22:43 PM
Oh, I could see a few kids in the small markets where the D3 school is the only game in town doing well.   Maybe not the SAA schools so much but places like UMHB in the ASC, or Mount Union, those kinds of situations where you have successful programs and businesses willing to spread a little cash around to help make them stay successful ("Hi neighbors, Joe Bob Briggs here saying get you a pickup truck from Squidward GMC in Pflugerville.")  Your stud QB can run a skills camp, charge for it, keep the cash.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 08, 2021, 11:05:21 PM
I could see free gym memberships, maybe free tabs at a restaurant to sit and sign autographs, that sort of thing.  But again, it's going to have to be in a market where the D3 program is THE program in the area. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 17, 2021, 10:03:39 AM
50 days to BSC FOOTBALL!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 18, 2021, 02:30:29 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 01, 2021, 04:21:02 PM
New regional alignments (https://www.d3football.com/notables/2021/07/division-iii-football-new-look-2021) as published today by D3football.com put SAA football schools in "Region 3" along with USAC, PAC, ODAC.
SAA got "lucky"

Look at Region 6. MIAC, WIAC, ASC, SCIAC and NWC.
Even with St Thomas gone, that is a hard region!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 05, 2021, 10:20:47 PM
30 days until BSC football!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 08, 2021, 10:54:18 AM
Hendrix adds an OOC and 10th game: Wisconsin-River Falls in Conway at noon on 9/11.

Also looks like they added a JV game against RPA College (TX) on their bye week on 10/25.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 08, 2021, 10:51:34 PM
Our tenth pickup was Arkansas Baptist at ABC.  They are playing their first year of NAIA ball, but have no real idea what to expect from them.

At least your pickup was a home game, we only have 4 home games this year.....   :(
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 10, 2021, 04:13:14 PM
Parking pass for game day has been picked up and the boys are back on campus for FALL football.   Of course it's still very much August in Alabama and it's freaking hot outside. 

Let's keep these COVID numbers under control so we can all be on campus for Sept 4th, week one football!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 12, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
Well it looks like this series is on a pause. Lyon now has a 9-game conference NAIA schedule so they have decided to cut the Hendrix rivalry game from the mix (the Scots went 0-5 in the series so maybe they were relieved to have cut it...). Excited about the opportunity for Hendrix to play some games with other D3 schools outside the conference and maybe the region!

Besides, better to have memories of a traveling rivalry trophy that never traveled...  :)

Quote from: albatross on August 24, 2017, 11:57:04 AM
Quote from: albatross on August 24, 2017, 11:50:49 AM
Hendrix doesn't have a powerhouse match-up in Week 1, but it does have an in-state rivalry game with Lyon College (NAIA). The two schools compete for the "Scotzilla Trophy," which we won last year. The series is 2-0 Hendrix.

The trophy is unique, quirky, and fits in D3 sports. It's a concept formed by marrying Lyon's mascot (the Scots) and Godzilla, a subject on which Hendrix's president (Dr. William Tsutsui) is the world's leading academic expert.

Trophy picture attached...

And of course, the celebratory picture...(with Dr. Tsutsui getting to hold the trophy with Coach Buck!)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 12, 2021, 12:30:24 PM
For Pool C purposes, better to have a D3 opponent, too.  May have to go out-of-region for the first year or two since so many schools book their OOCs in advance - and right now an ASC team would be an out-of-region opponent, as they're in Region 6 while the SAA is Region 3. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 12, 2021, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 12, 2021, 12:30:24 PM
For Pool C purposes, better to have a D3 opponent, too.  May have to go out-of-region for the first year or two since so many schools book their OOCs in advance - and right now an ASC team would be an out-of-region opponent, as they're in Region 6 while the SAA is Region 3.

As long as a team plays at least 70% of their games vs in-region opponents, then all games vs DIII opponents are considered in-region and will be viewed as such in the primary criteria. 

It's really nearly impossible in D3 football to play an out of region game anymore. Playing out of the division entirely is really about the only way that happens. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 12, 2021, 02:30:24 PM
Due to the lack of DIII programs in the southeast, we only have so many OOC teams to choose from.  It's easy to end up with all OOC games being against teams that are all in the same conference. 

I'd like to Maryville to our OOC rotation, but that would mean all 3 of our OOC games would be against the USA South.  I like variety in out OOC schedule, so it's kind of a catch 22.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2021, 12:26:23 PM
Not a lot of regard for the SAA in the D3football.com preseason Top 25 (https://d3football.com/top25/2021/preseason), with Berry coming in at 25th (75 points), just four points ahead of the next team, and Hendrix the only other school receiving any votes (10 points).   

Here's hoping the teams can avoid the Delta bug and that we get to see some games in person this year. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 18, 2021, 09:26:42 PM
We play Huntingdon in week 2, and they are currently receiving 3 votes.  So hopefully with an 3-0 start we can get in the top 25 before conference play starts. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 19, 2021, 04:03:56 PM
Whoa ... Southwestern will be leaving the ASC and joining the SAA as an affiliate member in football in 2023.   Better fit here to be sure.

https://saa-sports.com/news/2021/8/19/saa-announces-that-southwestern-university-will-join-the-league-as-an-affiliate-member-in-football.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 23, 2021, 04:50:19 PM
Definitely a better fit. I know travel costs are a beating but Austin College fits better with the SAA member institutions and they are bolting...

Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 19, 2021, 04:03:56 PM
Whoa ... Southwestern will be leaving the ASC and joining the SAA as an affiliate member in football in 2023.   Better fit here to be sure.

https://saa-sports.com/news/2021/8/19/saa-announces-that-southwestern-university-will-join-the-league-as-an-affiliate-member-in-football.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 27, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
Fun article in The Athletic today on Sewanee's history:

THE ATHLETIC: Journey back to Sewanee, a founding SEC member that has no regrets
(https://theathletic.com/2787563/2021/08/27/journey-back-to-sewanee-a-founding-sec-member-that-has-no-regrets/ (https://theathletic.com/2787563/2021/08/27/journey-back-to-sewanee-a-founding-sec-member-that-has-no-regrets/))
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 27, 2021, 03:57:29 PM
Shame it's behind a paywall, would have liked to have read the article.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2021, 05:55:18 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on August 27, 2021, 03:57:29 PM
Shame it's behind a paywall, would have liked to have read the article.

Agreed.  I used to have a subscription until they canned the one writer who covered the San Antonio Spurs.  They canned him, I canned them.

The story probably covers much of the same ground as this New York Times story (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/sports/sewanee-tigers-alabama-oklahoma.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbcoohkSVUbBybORd89sgbBnvXQyboxizriLSeYUy0HxuAcCYGF8gLKZq5qZ9w21nKbWNpFevcJdcBF89V-bQZrWhX65dyNgogEKCE47t29BDk9gcuVGO5grjKvM2S1cqIvle22-kvbOWK9CPOPgnUkdx134scwLSHc0n0PxarHG-Nxy4M-ia9nXsYmMG9GMCqavPDoCwF8McGGaHzc6goxWOJYUFLDjILWquJAIEgJVwWwHD4o6n086dhfJNocIK79ShUjc8b-ir8bYXd6MyksBhDYA9-PidDMTNwN3A&smid=url-share) from 2019.   It too would normally be behind a paywall but they let subscribers share 10 articles per month, so hope this incredibly long URL will work for you. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 27, 2021, 07:12:30 PM
Traveling to out of conference(OOC) games, Sewanee and Berry are currently the two I'm most interested in.  I love Sam Antonio, but that is a long ride for a weekend.  I'm hoping over the next 3 seasons I will get to see all the schools in the SAA, for football anyway. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on August 28, 2021, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 19, 2021, 04:03:56 PM
Whoa ... Southwestern will be leaving the ASC and joining the SAA as an affiliate member in football in 2023.   Better fit here to be sure.

https://saa-sports.com/news/2021/8/19/saa-announces-that-southwestern-university-will-join-the-league-as-an-affiliate-member-in-football.aspx

Tired of getting blasted by Everybody in the league. I've been surprised at their decline the last two years. It works for us though, cuz we need more teams from Texas in alternate leagues who can garner a playoff spot and give HSU and UMHB another team to play in the first round.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 28, 2021, 09:22:24 PM
Yep, The Athletic story pretty much covered the same ground as that NYT article.     

Tho' they missed the fact that the plumbing in the restrooms underneath our home stands pretty much dates back to the same time period. 

Looking forward to the first home game... have missed football.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2021, 05:55:18 PM
The story probably covers much of the same ground as this New York Times story (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/sports/sewanee-tigers-alabama-oklahoma.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbcoohkSVUbBybORd89sgbBnvXQyboxizriLSeYUy0HxuAcCYGF8gLKZq5qZ9w21nKbWNpFevcJdcBF89V-bQZrWhX65dyNgogEKCE47t29BDk9gcuVGO5grjKvM2S1cqIvle22-kvbOWK9CPOPgnUkdx134scwLSHc0n0PxarHG-Nxy4M-ia9nXsYmMG9GMCqavPDoCwF8McGGaHzc6goxWOJYUFLDjILWquJAIEgJVwWwHD4o6n086dhfJNocIK79ShUjc8b-ir8bYXd6MyksBhDYA9-PidDMTNwN3A&smid=url-share) from 2019.   It too would normally be behind a paywall but they let subscribers share 10 articles per month, so hope this incredibly long URL will work for you.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 29, 2021, 08:29:06 PM
We have officially made it to game week boy and girls!!!!

I have BSC taking game one over LaGrange 31-10.  GO PANTHERS!!!!

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2021, 10:17:58 AM
Here are all this week's games - with a couple "when did that get scheduled":

Thursday:   Millsaps at Belhaven

Saturday:

Safe practices, travel, and gameplay to all given the delta outbreak.

We should have the SAA preseason poll out this week.

The SAA's policy on fans in the stands is to defer to the hosting institution:  "Spectator policies – including availability, ticketing, seating restrictions, and masking requirements -- will be at the discretion of the host/home institution and publicized clearly and as early as possible on that institution's athletic websites."  Still have not heard if Trinity is allowing visitors to attend; last word was just parents and students, but that was on the parent/supporter Facebook, nothing yet  from an official source.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on August 30, 2021, 12:32:50 PM
Pretty decent non-conference teams from decent conferences when Week 1 matchups are taken as a whole. Hanover, Maryville, and St. Scholastica are solid on a program level. McMurry might keep it close from a talent perspective but that is big "might" ...

Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2021, 10:17:58 AM
Here are all this week's games - with a couple "when did that get scheduled":

Thursday:   Millsaps at Belhaven

Saturday:

  • Augustana at Rhodes
  • Hendrix at Austin
  • Sewanee at St. Scholastica
  • McMurry (not MacMurray) at Trinity
  • Maryville (TN) at Berry
  • Hanover at Centre
  • LaGrange at Birmingham-Southern

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2021, 04:24:12 PM
We don't get Kickoff this year, but we do get 20 Questions (https://d3football.com/notables/2021/08/20-questions) from the d3football crew.  Unfortunately I didn't see any SAA content (possible I could have missed it, and if not the SAA's hardly alone) but it's interesting nonetheless.

One of the things I did note is that apparently Keith Macmillan is moving on to other things - Pat says "[w]e will manage to get by without Keith".  I wish Keith continued success at the Washington Post and hope he and his family are doing well.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2021, 10:19:30 PM
SAA preseason coaches poll (https://saa-sports.com/news/2021/8/31/trinity-tops-inaugural-saa-football-preseason-poll.aspx) is out.  Trinity edges Berry for the top spot despite only receiving  two first-place votes.  The other first-place votes were not provided.

Trinity                              55 pts
Berry                               53
Hendrix                            46
Birmingham-Southern     40
Centre                             39
Millsaps                           22
Sewanee                         19
Rhodes                            15
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2021, 10:59:58 AM
A post just came across the Trinity parent FB channel saying Saturday's game has been cancelled.  I will post more detail when/if it becomes available but it seems highly likely one of the two teams has COVID issues. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 01, 2021, 11:58:02 AM
Top 3 seem about right. BSC could surprise some folks, too. Ready for the SAA to play ball!

Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2021, 10:19:30 PM
SAA preseason coaches poll (https://saa-sports.com/news/2021/8/31/trinity-tops-inaugural-saa-football-preseason-poll.aspx) is out.  Trinity edges Berry for the top spot despite only receiving  two first-place votes.  The other first-place votes were not provided.

Trinity                              55 pts
Berry                               53
Hendrix                            46
Birmingham-Southern     40
Centre                             39
Millsaps                           22
Sewanee                         19
Rhodes                            15
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2021, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2021, 10:59:58 AM
A post just came across the Trinity parent FB channel saying Saturday's game has been cancelled.  I will post more detail when/if it becomes available but it seems highly likely one of the two teams has COVID issues.

McMurry cancelled - COVID

https://mcmurrysports.com/news/2021/9/1/football-mcmurry-cancels-football-season-opener-at-trinity-university.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 01, 2021, 03:03:11 PM
That sucks for you guys.

There is a good chance I'm more excited about watching BSC on Saturday then the team is to play it. 

Hopefully this doesn't become a norm this year with games canceling, hopefully we really are at the peak of this COVID outbreak and numbers will start going down.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 01, 2021, 11:21:36 PM
Hendrix vs Austin is officially canceled this Saturday due to COVID issues in the Roos program. If this were still a conference game, this would be forfeit. Since Austin College is no longer a conference member, however, that can't be enforced and the game is now a no-contest.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 02, 2021, 08:02:40 AM
That's 2 down, fortunately both have been canceled due to the other team, not the SAA team. 

Hopefully this will be the last one canceled, but I'm expecting more,   :(
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 02, 2021, 09:06:51 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 02, 2021, 08:02:40 AM
That's 2 down, fortunately both have been canceled due to the other team, not the SAA team. 

Hopefully this will be the last one canceled, but I'm expecting more,   :(

The way Delta is rampaging through the Birmingham area, where I live, I'll be surprised if there aren't more issues. It has been insane since schools reopened. My wife is a teacher and the percentage of kids out every day is shocking. Totally different than last year. Hopefully the college age players are vaccinated.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 02, 2021, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 02, 2021, 09:06:51 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 02, 2021, 08:02:40 AM
That's 2 down, fortunately both have been canceled due to the other team, not the SAA team. 

Hopefully this will be the last one canceled, but I'm expecting more,   :(

The way Delta is rampaging through the Birmingham area, where I live, I'll be surprised if there aren't more issues. It has been insane since schools reopened. My wife is a teacher and the percentage of kids out every day is shocking. Totally different than last year. Hopefully the college age players are vaccinated.

I'm also in the BHM area.  At my 11 year olds school they had over a 10% positive rate last week.  I haven't gotten an update from BSC this semester, I got them every week last year with the amount of positives and quarantines.  I know the school was very strong in their encouragement of students getting vaccinated. But again, I don't know the vaccine percentages.  Wish they would do the updates like last season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2021, 12:10:59 PM
Maybe HX and TU should get on the phone and meet in Dallas or Tyler or whatever halfway in-between is for a non-conference game.  Not having a game this week is really going to hurt their preparation going into the rest of the season.

But yeah I doubt this is the last of the cancellations.  Trinity had a volleyball match cancel for COVID last night and I have no idea why as both teams, coaches, fans were in the gym for a couple of hours with players warming up off and on while the start time kept getting pushed back before eventually being cancelled.   Trinity then scrimmaged themselves with fans in attendance so they didn't have a COVID problem.  Test positivity in Bexar County (where TU is located) is 17%. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2021, 03:57:12 PM
And like clockwork ... another SAA school, Sewanee, loses a game because its opponent has COVID issues. 

https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2021/9/3/football-saturdays-game-at-st-scholastica-canceled.aspx

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 03, 2021, 05:55:39 PM
Only got to make it another 25 hours until kickoff.  The BSC campus is reporting a less then 1% positivity rate for those tested.  Hope those numbers just get better over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2021, 06:26:18 PM
Coach Rundle got the phone call just before the team was about to board their flight. Bunch of parents and fans already in Minnesota.  Ouch.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2021, 03:57:12 PM
And like clockwork ... another SAA school, Sewanee, loses a game because its opponent has COVID issues. 

https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2021/9/3/football-saturdays-game-at-st-scholastica-canceled.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 03, 2021, 06:30:06 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 03, 2021, 06:26:18 PM
Coach Rundle got the phone call just before the team was about to board their flight. Bunch of parents and fans already in Minnesota.  Ouch.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2021, 03:57:12 PM
And like clockwork ... another SAA school, Sewanee, loses a game because its opponent has COVID issues. 

https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2021/9/3/football-saturdays-game-at-st-scholastica-canceled.aspx

That also explains why St. Scholastica's women's volleyball opener against NE Wesleyan was cancelled.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 03, 2021, 10:45:48 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 03, 2021, 06:26:18 PM
Coach Rundle got the phone call just before the team was about to board their flight. Bunch of parents and fans already in Minnesota.  Ouch.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2021, 03:57:12 PM
And like clockwork ... another SAA school, Sewanee, loses a game because its opponent has COVID issues. 

https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2021/9/3/football-saturdays-game-at-st-scholastica-canceled.aspx

Wow, at least got them before they boarded.  That is still a bad situation, a lot of money was spent by schools and parents for it to be a no go. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on September 04, 2021, 08:26:18 PM
I see back Shufford playing for BSC.  :(
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 04, 2021, 11:36:16 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on September 04, 2021, 08:26:18 PM
I see back Shufford playing for BSC.  :(

YES HE IS, and looked great tonight.

Big win over Lagrange, 42-17.

We will see you guys in Montgomery next weekend!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2021, 08:32:04 AM
I guess it was a slow day in the Twitterverse for @SECNetwork.   I'm sure nobody at Sewanee was terribly thrilled about the level of snark on display.   

https://twitter.com/SECNetwork/status/1434169426190999552
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: evacuee on September 05, 2021, 12:24:59 PM
What is the deal with Shufford?

He and their big receiver, #1, were both shockingly absent from their game in Little Rock last spring.  It really, really made a difference.

The coach makes no mention of Shufford in his 2021 fall preseason remarks, and names the players that will be carrying the ball by committee.

Shufford shows up last night and dominates. 

Since BSC fans seem to be the most regular participants here, I figure someone can fill in the holes.  I know there was some kind of provision made for last year's seniors to get another year of eligibility, but I don't know the specifics.  It just all seems so weird.

I just got back from a few days evacuated in Birmingham, by the way.  Toured the very nice campus, and like the way Birmingham blends new and old world living between city hall and UAB.  Looks like y'all are on a pretty good path, but I read that population is falling.  I did enjoy my stay, and hope that the school's and city's best days are ahead.  Good luck to the Panthers except on November 6th.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 05, 2021, 02:38:06 PM
Shuff and Rew were both in COVID protocol last spring for the championship weekend games, and yes, they were both highly missed.

Not sure about Rew, but Shuff had shopped around to see if he could find a higher level for his "free" season, as far as I know, he came up empty and returned to BSC.  I didn't realize he was back until about 2-3 weeks ago. He ran for 192 yards last night.  It was a good night to be a running back for BSC, Fleming had 5 carries and picked up 110 yards as well.

As far as Birmingham losing population, it's just because more people are moving out of the city and into the surrounding towns.  The Birmingham metro area is made up of like 20 different smaller cities, all competing against each other for businesses and growth.  The city is making a push and the downtown area is having a rebirth of growth on its own.  I would expect the next census will show that growth back into the city. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 05, 2021, 04:13:13 PM
Quote from: evacuee on September 05, 2021, 12:24:59 PM
The coach makes no mention of Shufford in his 2021 fall preseason remarks, and names the players that will be carrying the ball by committee.

(For anyone wondering how he was not on our preseason All-America team ... this basically covers that, right?)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on September 05, 2021, 08:32:09 PM
He must have shown up after the team picture was taken. If you go to the roster page on their website he isn't in it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2021, 07:45:00 AM
Here's an article from a Alabama-based website where Coach White knew Shufford was coming back, at least whenever the interview took place (the article is dated August 20th, as opposed to the B-SC preview dated August 11th):  https://alabamanewscenter.com/2021/08/20/birmingham-southern-football/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 07, 2021, 04:31:02 PM
Coach Rundle was the guest this week with our AD in our Ath. Dept's  "Coffee With the Coach" podcast.  https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2021/9/6/coffee-with-the-coach-head-football-coach-travis-rundle.aspx (https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2021/9/6/coffee-with-the-coach-head-football-coach-travis-rundle.aspx)

It's broadcast live each Monday at 9am CT via Facebook Live.   Next Monday's will be interesting as our Vice Chancellor/President will be the guest.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 10, 2021, 09:07:09 PM
Sewanee and Hendrix to play a non-conference game in Conway in place of their bye week.

Press release from the Mountain: https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2021/9/8/football-announces-non-conference-date-with-hendrix.aspx (https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2021/9/8/football-announces-non-conference-date-with-hendrix.aspx)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2021, 02:01:25 PM
Speaking of Hendrix, sorry to see that they have gone to a pay-per-view (or season pass) model for their broadcasts.    The game was supposed to start an hour ago but there are no live stats or updates posted on either school's twitter.

In early action Centre is having their way with Maryville (TN), leading 20-0 mid 2Q, and Rhodes is up at Franklin 13-7 in the first with the Grizzlies driving. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2021, 03:43:18 PM
Centre all over Maryville, 40-14 late.
Rhodes up 8 on Franklin late in the third and just recovered a fumble at midfield.
Berry not having any trouble with LaGrange up 23-0 as the first half draws to a close.
Sewanee down big early 2H against W&L, 35-0.
Still radio (internet?) silence from Hendrix with no score or update to be found anywhere.

I'll be heading to SA shortly to watch Trinity take on Macalester.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 11, 2021, 04:17:19 PM
W&L rolling over Sewanee early in the 4th.  45-0.  Sewanee is playing their first game and very much look like it. Struggles in every phase. Just not a good team right now, not even by Sewanee standards.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 11, 2021, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 11, 2021, 04:17:19 PM
W&L rolling over Sewanee early in the 4th.  45-0.  Sewanee is playing their first game and very much look like it. Struggles in every phase. Just not a good team right now, not even by Sewanee standards.

I had internet problems throughout most of the game and the few plays I was able to catch convinced me that wasn't a bad thing.  Disappointed, as I had hopes that we would be a little more competitive on the field this year.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 11, 2021, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 11, 2021, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 11, 2021, 04:17:19 PM
W&L rolling over Sewanee early in the 4th.  45-0.  Sewanee is playing their first game and very much look like it. Struggles in every phase. Just not a good team right now, not even by Sewanee standards.

I had internet problems throughout most of the game and the few plays I was able to catch convinced me that wasn't a bad thing.  Disappointed, as I had hopes that we would be a little more competitive on the field this year.

They will need to get better fast. I think W&L will have a good year, they looked pretty good just losing at CNU last week, but they aren't a dominant D3 team by any stretch. What they did to Sewanee, and Sewanee did to themselves, was not pretty. Could be a long year for the Tigers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2021, 07:40:11 PM
Trinity leads Macalester 22-0 after one quarter.  Total yards - TU 273, Mac 7. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2021, 08:22:30 PM
Trinity 43-0 at half.  Tucker Horn has gone the entire way at QB and is 16-19-291 with 5 TDs.  Imagine we may see him for one series in the second half, unfortunately the starters need some reps after not playing last week but can't imagine they'll play much more (and some subs have already been in).

Macalester did get it going in the second but have been snakebit.  Their best drive stalled at the TU 10; a successful FG was waived off after a motion penalty and the resulting attempt was blocked.  A beautiful long pass on the next drive almost reached the red zone but was fumbled away during the tackle.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2021, 09:47:00 PM
Final 64-0.  Horn played the first series and completed his sixth TD pass.  Total yardage 638-130.   At Texas Lutheran next week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 11, 2021, 10:02:37 PM
What is Horn's story? Looks like he was a pretty good qb in high school and spent two years at abilene christian, but has been on the team for two years? Looked great today. Wish he'd gotten a chance to go after the school record 7 tds.

Largest margin of victory for trinity since the last great (hopefully that changes this year) tiger team in 2011-2012, when they blew out Rhodes, 62-7. Missed the all-time record (I think) by 10 points, which was a 74-0 whacking of Principia in 1994.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2021, 10:47:50 PM
BSC scores 5, yes 5 TD's in the 3rd qtr to win 48-9 tonight at instate rival Huntingdon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on September 12, 2021, 12:28:28 AM
That was a nightmare. Wish I could wake up and find out that 2nd half didn't happen.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2021, 01:47:35 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 11, 2021, 10:02:37 PM
What is Horn's story? Looks like he was a pretty good qb in high school and spent two years at abilene christian, but has been on the team for two years? Looked great today. Wish he'd gotten a chance to go after the school record 7 tds.

Largest margin of victory for trinity since the last great (hopefully that changes this year) tiger team in 2011-2012, when they blew out Rhodes, 62-7. Missed the all-time record (I think) by 10 points, which was a 74-0 whacking of Principia in 1994.

Stuck behind a multi-year starter his first year at Trinity, saw almost no playing time.  Actually split QB duties with same guy last year.  Getting all the first-team reps is obviously a big help this season.   He did look great but Macalester was not a strong opponent - TLU will give him a much better test next week.  I think the scrimmage score two weeks ago was something like 14-7 Trinity.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 12, 2021, 09:55:29 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on September 12, 2021, 12:28:28 AM
That was a nightmare. Wish I could wake up and find out that 2nd half didn't happen.

LaGrange probably felt the same way last week.  So far we are a second half team.  Score is 69-0 in the second half for BSC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2021, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 12, 2021, 09:55:29 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on September 12, 2021, 12:28:28 AM
That was a nightmare. Wish I could wake up and find out that 2nd half didn't happen.

LaGrange probably felt the same way last week.  So far we are a second half team.  Score is 69-0 in the second half for BSC.

I would imagine having a back like Shufford pounding away at your defense does not do good things to it over time  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 12, 2021, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2021, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 12, 2021, 09:55:29 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on September 12, 2021, 12:28:28 AM
That was a nightmare. Wish I could wake up and find out that 2nd half didn't happen.

LaGrange probably felt the same way last week.  So far we are a second half team.  Score is 69-0 in the second half for BSC.

I would imagine having a back like Shufford pounding away at your defense does not do good things to it over time  ;D

Four rushing TD's for Shuff, and over 600 yards of total offense has a tendency to break a defense.  Also when they commit 4 turnovers and put their defense in a bad spot, over and over again. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 12, 2021, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2021, 09:47:00 PM
Final 64-0.  Horn played the first series and completed his sixth TD pass.  Total yardage 638-130.   At Texas Lutheran next week.

Really hard to divine anything from the game.  TU was seemingly flawless and Macalester simply couldn't get anything going.  Even the one long pass play was stripped after covering nearly 50 yards.  They kicked a field goal, but had a procedure penalty and it was nullified.  The next longer attempt was blocked.

It was fun to watch, but reality will settle in this Saturday.

Other notes - first time for me in the new home-side stadium.  Very nice and a lot of shade.  Wish they had a camera system for replay worthy of the amazing scoreboard!  They were handing out complimentary bottled water.  San Antonio mayor (and TU alum) made a low-key visit.  Lots of fans and energy.  Great evening!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2021, 12:48:58 PM
Definitely nice to have some shade on the home side after decades without it!

The d3football Top 25 voters were so impressed by Trinity's win that one soul gave them a 25th place vote, and that's probably more than I would have done.  Should they win the next two games (@TLU, @Berry [who entered the poll at 25th]) then you think about it.   Centre and BSC are also receiving votes this week. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 15, 2021, 10:33:04 AM
Alright Region III fans, I'm willing to run the Regional Weekly Top 10 if I can get a balanced panel. If you are interested, you can either PM me or reply to this message and if I get enough responses maybe we can start next week. Looking for 1 or 2 people from each conference, but if I can get 5 voters total spread through at least 3 of our conferences I'll take it.

We'll run it mostly the same way Ralph has been doing it for years. Ranked 1-10 votes are due to me by PM by Tuesday at midnight, so if you can't commit to that, please don't offer. It's just not going to be worth it for me if I have to track people down every week. Votes will be anonymous in the published poll, but voters are free to discuss or post their own submissions.

It's a lot of fun, you learn about a lot of teams, and sometimes generates some good discussion. I always like being challenged on why I did things, but if you don't want to engage, that's fine also.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2021, 01:24:17 PM
Hope you get some good folks to participate.   I don't know enough about all these other conferences to do a decent job and don't really have the time to dig into them.

This week's non-conference schedule:

Millsaps (0-1) at Southwestern Assemblies of God (NAIA) (1-1)
RV Trinity (1-0) at Texas Lutheran (1-1)
#25 Berry (2-0) at #2 UW-Whitewater (2-0)
RV Birmingham-Southern (2-0) at Arkansas Baptist College (NAIA) (0-2?)
Westminster (MO) (0-0) at Sewanee (0-1)
Hendrix (0-1) vs Howard Payne (2-0) in Prosper, Texas (north of Dallas)

BYE:  RV Centre, Rhodes

Obviously the game of the weekend will be in Wisconsin where Berry has an opportunity to put themselves (and the SAA) on the map with an upset (and it would be a big one) of the Warhawks.    We should also get some 'relative strength' between Hendrix and Trinity, with the Warriors taking on a Howard Payne team that defeated Texas Lutheran by 26.   Sewanee will look for improvement against a Westminster (MO) team playing its first game of the season.   BSC has Arkansas Baptist, in their first year of transition from NJCAA to NAIA and who still don't have a functioning website.  I found results for them on two opponent websites, the second a 71-0 blowout loss.   Millsaps travels to Texas to take on SWAGU which has a win against former D3 Louisiana College as their only win in two games. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 16, 2021, 01:44:26 PM
...and HPU only beat McMurry by a touchdown...

That may something about TLU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cciw83 on September 16, 2021, 03:01:10 PM
The UW-Whitewater - Berry game will really give an indication where the SAA is at. Berry is in a prime recruiting area as the Atlanta metro area along with north Georgia, west Alabama and the Chattanooga area are loaded with talent and have a lot of private schools to recruit from. I'm hoping it's a good game and the conference has shown improvement.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 16, 2021, 06:08:01 PM
What does the RV mean before the schools on some of these games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2021, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 16, 2021, 06:08:01 PM
What does the RV mean before the schools on some of these games.

"RV" means that that squad received votes in the latest Top 25 Poll without actually being in the Top 25.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2021, 08:15:52 AM
This seems like a pretty minor thing to be on probation for, but it's the NCAA:

QuoteThe NCAA Division III Membership Committee upheld its June decision and placed Rhodes College on probation.

Rhodes did not satisfy the Constitution 3.2.4.16 attendance requirement at the 2021 Regional Rules Seminar. As a result, the institutions will enter a probationary year beginning September 1, 2021, with the corresponding once-in-three-year probationary period to conclude September 1, 2024. The institutions [sic] will also be required to complete an Athletics Program Assessment by May 15, 2022.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cciw83 on September 17, 2021, 07:50:48 PM
That probation for Rhodes looks like the NCAA going after low hanging fruit. Rhodes will not want to spend the money or resources to fight it like a larger program would.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2021, 12:49:52 PM
Our only source for BSC-ABC updates today may be BSC Twitter.  Don't expect it to be close, but it will be good to have some sort of information given ABC's total lack of presence on the webs. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2021, 01:12:48 PM
The UW-W video feed won't let me in - maybe it will later.   There is a good audio feed at https://kix1065.com/player/?playerID=2447 and live stats at https://uwwsports.com/sidearmstats/football/play-by-play .
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2021, 01:48:25 PM
Berry got a stop on Whitewater's first series but haven't been able to sustain any offense, while UW-W has drives of 80 and 81 yards to take a 13-0 lead early with five minutes gone in the second quarter.   Vikings need some points on this drive before things get out of control. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2021, 01:58:59 PM
Yeah. Berry is able to slow the Warhawks down but not super able to stop them at the moment.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2021, 02:07:56 PM
Devin Grier is having a low-key great game for Berry. He has really kept Ryan Wisniewski fairly in check here through the first 28:26. Just broke up a pass in the end zone and forced UWW to settle for a field goal.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2021, 02:11:03 PM
Berry has their deepest penetration of the day, to the UW-W 33, but a sack and two incomplete passes forced a punt.   UW-W drove to the Berry 6 but have to settle for a short FG, 16-0 with 1:34 before half.   The Vikings are doing a good job against the run but have struggled to contain the Warhawk passing attack. 

Berry QB Gray was shaken up on Berry's last offensive play (before the UW-W drive) but comes out on the next series.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2021, 02:18:38 PM
Oy .. and Gray goes back to pass and the ball gets stripped, UW-W has the ball at the ten with a minute left and a timeout.   Only takes two plays, it's 23-0 and I'm off to watch Trinity who started early at TLU at lead 14-0 early in the second. 

OMG and Berry fumbles on the first play just trying to run out the clock.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 18, 2021, 02:36:04 PM
Welp, this one might turn into a blowout as well. Horn's 3rd td of the day has the Tigers up 21-0 with 12 left in the second.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2021, 02:58:14 PM
Horn's 4th TD pass makes it 28-0 Trinity with just under 3 minutes to play.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2021, 03:21:55 PM
After another three-and-out Trinity gets a 35-yard FG that just crawls over the crossbar to make it 31-0 at the half.

Other SAA scores:

Westminster 16, Sewanee 9, half.   Westminster got 2 points off a returned Tiger PAT. 
SAGU 31, Millsaps 21, 11+ minutes Q4.
BSC 31, ABC 6, near end of first half
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 18, 2021, 03:23:13 PM
Westminster (Mo) 16 - Sewanee 9 at the half.

Wet day on the Mountain.   Bunch of big plays by both offenses.   The ouch play of the first half was a muffed pitch on a 2-pt conversion attempt by Sewanee that was returned by the defense for a score.    Less than stellar defensive play by both teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2021, 03:41:02 PM
And it looks like the video from TLU has decided to match the live stats and quit working.   Guess it's a good time for a shower.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 18, 2021, 03:54:13 PM
Haven't had the live stats work for me all day. The video has been pretty good for me minus a few breaks or two. Horn throws his 5th TD - now 11 on the year. Did Trinity really just call a timeout on the PAT though to avoid a mere 5 yard penalty? I know its a blowout, but seems odd to use a timeout in that situation. 38-7 Trinity 5 mins left in 3rd
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 18, 2021, 04:01:37 PM
Westminster (MO) 30 - Sewanee 9  4:38 remaining in the 3Q

Westminster gets two scores to start the 2nd half, with the second coming on a Sewanee fumble inside our 20-yd line.

Sounds like UW-W pretty much showed Berry that they have room for improvement with a final of 39-7.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 18, 2021, 04:23:19 PM
Horn's day is done. Backups now in for Trinity across the offense, and they just scored to make it 51-7 Trinity.

[edited because I cursed the kicker and assumed the PAT. Typical]
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 18, 2021, 04:36:40 PM
Sewanee's defense takes inspiration from the offense and recovers a Westminster (MO) fumble.  Tigers get burnt by the rain, but storm back in the 4Q to storm back from being down 3 TDs to pull within a point :  Westminster 30, Sewanee 29, 7:55 4Q
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2021, 04:40:58 PM
Finals

SAGU 38, Millsaps 21
Trinity 51, TLU 14 after Trinity's backup punt returner lost a fumble and gave TLU a short field
BSC leads ABC 55-6 with 8 minutes to go
Westminster has a big 4th and 1 at the Sewanee 41, take a delay so looks like Tigers will get it back
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 18, 2021, 04:47:05 PM
We get the ball back and then do a 3 and out with 4:40 in the 4Q.  Still Westminister (MO) 30, Sewanee 29.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 18, 2021, 04:53:04 PM
Well... Westminister (MO) gets the ball back and fumbles the punt at their 24.   Let's see what we can do.

Quote from: awadelewis on September 18, 2021, 04:47:05 PM
We get the ball back and then do a 3 and out with 4:40 in the 4Q.  Still Westminister (MO) 30, Sewanee 29.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 18, 2021, 04:59:24 PM
Crud... FG attempt with 0:13 seconds goes wide right.   Final score: Westminister (MO) 30, Sewanee 29.   

Quote from: awadelewis on September 18, 2021, 04:53:04 PM
Well... Westminister (MO) gets the ball back and fumbles the punt at their 24.   Let's see what we can do.

Quote from: awadelewis on September 18, 2021, 04:47:05 PM
We get the ball back and then do a 3 and out with 4:40 in the 4Q.  Still Westminister (MO) 30, Sewanee 29.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2021, 09:16:58 PM
Ouch ... Howard Payne putting the hurt on Hendrix, 55-7 in the third.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 19, 2021, 06:05:10 PM
Berry falls out of the latest top 25 but still gets 34 votes after their 39-7 drubbing from UWW. Trinity up to 7 votes. BSC also gets 16.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 19, 2021, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 19, 2021, 06:05:10 PM
Berry falls out of the latest top 25 but still gets 34 votes after their 39-7 drubbing from UWW. Trinity up to 7 votes. BSC also gets 16.

I honestly think BSC should be ranked.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2021, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: FANOFD3 on September 19, 2021, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 19, 2021, 06:05:10 PM
Berry falls out of the latest top 25 but still gets 34 votes after their 39-7 drubbing from UWW. Trinity up to 7 votes. BSC also gets 16.

I honestly think BSC should be ranked.

Unfortunately the SAA haven't played anyone ranked (and won, LOL) in preseason so it's going to be tough to get in the top 25 now that conference play is about to get underway.   A win against a junior college program that jumped up to four-year this season and lost 71-0 the previous week and doesn't have a functioning sports information department doesn't register on the voters' radar.  The other two wins against Region 3 teams that have one win between them in the young season doesn't do much either, but they'll add up as the season goes on.   If Birmingham-Southern (or Centre [who had 12 points this week], or Trinity, or Berry) keeps winning, they'll get in there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on September 20, 2021, 11:55:36 AM
Giving Berry's Coach K credit for scheduling with the big boys.  You can't beat them if you don't play them.

Obviously still work to do to compete at the top of D3.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 20, 2021, 12:09:44 PM
Playing ABC this weekend, that game was picked up late.  BSC was supposed to play a team out of Virginia, but some how that game didn't work out, so we were stuck finding someone late to get our schedule up to 10 games.  Arkansas Baptist is 1-3 now, so they do have a win, though it was over a JuCo program.  But the guys did go on the road, and took care of business, so not much you can complain about with that.

BSC did have a big win at Huntingdon, who the week before hosted #9 Wis-Oshkosh and lost by 4, we went into their house and won 48-9, so that has to be worth something.  We do have teams in conference that are also receiving votes, so we have our chances to make some noise.  Would like to get deep into the polls, that way if we were to not win the conference, maybe we can pull an at large bid into the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2021, 03:26:51 PM
Polls aren't a factor in the Pool C (at-large) selection process; D3football.com has posted the handy summary (https://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#3) below.   The Huntingdon win (beating a team that lost to a quality opponent) would fall under the Opponents' opponents' average winning percentage (OOWP) criteria as long as Oshkosh has a successful season:


The following primary criteria (not in priority order) will be reviewed:
● Won-lost percentage against Division III opponents;.
● Division III head-to-head competition;
● Results versus common Division III opponents;
● Results versus ranked Division III teams as established by the regional rankings at the time of selection. Conference postseason contests are included;
● Division III strength of schedule
-- Opponents' average winning percentage (OWP), weighted 2/3.
-- Opponents' opponents' average winning percentage (OOWP), weighted 1/3.

● Should a committee find that evaluation of a team's won-lost percentage during the last 25 percent of the season is applicable (i.e., end-of-season performance), it may adopt such criteria with approval of the Championships Committee.

If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision by the committee, the following secondary criteria (for ranking and selections) will be evaluated:
● Non-Division III win-loss percentage
● Results versus common non-Division III opponents
● Non-Division III Strength of Schedule

When all criteria are equal among teams with undefeated records in the primary criteria, the NCAA Division III Football Committee can use a team's performance in the previous championship season as a criterion.

Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the Division III football committee. In order to be considered for selection for Pools B or C, an institution must play at least 50 percent of its competition against Division III in-region opponents.

Coaches' polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used as a selection criterion by the football committee for selection purposes.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2021, 03:33:41 PM
And while we're talking about polls, the AFCA coaches' poll released today (https://www.afca.com/d3-poll-mary-hardin-baylor-ranked-no-1-in-first-afca-division-iii-coaches-poll-of-2021/) is another one that has no bearing on the NCAA playoffs.  Our friends in the ASC will like it because it has UMHB #1 and defending national champion North Central #4 despite last weekend's NC high-quality win against Wheaton.  Trinity, Berry, Centre, BSC each receive votes (in that order). 

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Post by: BSCpanthers on September 21, 2021, 11:10:38 AM
Win the conference and it won't matter. 
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Post by: albatross on September 21, 2021, 01:12:10 PM
Not the greatest non-conference season for the SAA when things are taken in balance. I don't think Hendrix expected to be 0-2 at all heading into league play. They could have used that Week 1 matchup with Austin College to get some things together...
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Post by: BSCpanthers on September 21, 2021, 01:39:36 PM
Had Berry and Huntingdon both won against the Wisconsin teams, it would look different with Berry having a huge signature win, and the BSC win over Huntingdon would have been over a possible ranked Huntingdon team.  Kind of like basketball season, OOC play is over now, the conference is who we are now, just got to get those conference wins.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2021, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: albatross on September 21, 2021, 01:12:10 PM
Not the greatest non-conference season for the SAA when things are taken in balance. I don't think Hendrix expected to be 0-2 at all heading into league play. They could have used that Week 1 matchup with Austin College to get some things together...

Centre, BSC, Trinity:  Pretty happy about non-conference
Berry:  Certainly not happy about last week but for crying out loud it was UW-W at their place
Sewanee:  nice recovery last week (even with the L) after only playing a game or two last season
Hendrix:  Not great but your opponents are 6-0, and you don't start with one of the other top teams when SAA play gets going.
Rhodes: 1-13 last two seasons.   Some hope for better things given results so far.
Millsaps:  0-2 but hard to say what the season will bring given opponents. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2021, 03:04:20 PM
Sewanee giving Hendrix a game today, just scored to make it 14-13 HX (first Sewanee PAT was no good, surprised they didn't go for two on the second).  4 minutes before halftime.

Not a lot of defense today in Jackson where Olivet just converted a 4th and 3 and one play later score to take a 30-13 lead with about 9 minutes to go in the second quarter.   Kaleb Johnson is 12-15 for 222 and a TD but the Majors can't get their running game on track (21 attempts, 19 yards).    Johnson has also been sacked five times.

Rhodes is up 13-0 at Westminster (Mo).   Live stats not working.   Lynx are just inside Blue Jay territory with about a minute left in the half.
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Post by: awadelewis on September 25, 2021, 05:05:29 PM
Second half has been all Hendrix in Conway as the final score was Hendrix 49-Sewanee 27.   603 yards of total offense for the Warriors with 300 of that on the ground.     Next week at B-SC for us.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2021, 05:44:07 PM
Rhodes destroys Westminster (MO), 47-7.   Congratulations to the Lynx and their fans, it's been a long time coming.
Millsaps gets a couple scores late but still fall to Olivet, 44-27. 
Centre hosts Trine tonight.

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Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2021, 07:11:29 AM
Centre slips past Trine, 14-7, to remain undefeated.
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Post by: BSCpanthers on September 26, 2021, 11:10:26 AM
BSC had the weekend off before starting conference play with Sewanee next weekend.  I think the players and coaches have enjoyed this down weekend to get recharged and refocused on the task at hand, and that task is winning the SAA this season. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 26, 2021, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 26, 2021, 11:10:26 AM
BSC had the weekend off before starting conference play with Sewanee next weekend.  I think the players and coaches have enjoyed this down weekend to get recharged and refocused on the task at hand, and that task is winning the SAA this season.

Having watched Sewanee that's somewhat like having 2 weeks off this year. W&L facing Sewanee and Guilford allowed the team to get a lot of experience deep into the roster early this season.
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Post by: BSCpanthers on September 27, 2021, 02:34:05 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 26, 2021, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 26, 2021, 11:10:26 AM
BSC had the weekend off before starting conference play with Sewanee next weekend.  I think the players and coaches have enjoyed this down weekend to get recharged and refocused on the task at hand, and that task is winning the SAA this season.

Having watched Sewanee that's somewhat like having 2 weeks off this year. W&L facing Sewanee and Guilford allowed the team to get a lot of experience deep into the roster early this season.

Even after this coming weekend, we may still not know what BSC really is.  They have handled everyone across the field from them, but we really don't know how good any of those teams really are.  I believe Huntingdon is a good team, they did win their conference opener against Brevard, but Brevard is only 1-3 as well.  The Huntingdon/Averett game on Oct 16 should be a good one.
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Post by: awadelewis on September 27, 2021, 10:16:51 PM
Quote

Quote
Having watched Sewanee that's somewhat like having 2 weeks off this year. W&L facing Sewanee and Guilford allowed the team to get a lot of experience deep into the roster early this season.

Even after this coming weekend, we may still not know what BSC really is.  They have handled everyone across the field from them, but we really don't know how good any of those teams really are.  I believe Huntingdon is a good team, they did win their conference opener against Brevard, but Brevard is only 1-3 as well.  The Huntingdon/Averett game on Oct 16 should be a good one.

I am with jknezek on this game... this year's Sewanee team is pretty rough, even compared to some of the teams we've fielded over the past 10 seasons or so.  Surprised me a bit as I expected us to be more competitive than what we've shown to date this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2021, 08:58:00 PM
Does anyone know if Berry has stopped broadcasting?  There are no links up for any of the remaining home games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 30, 2021, 08:18:35 AM
If they have that would be unfortunately. Especially this weekend playing Trinity since they are like 13 hours apart.  A lot of people were probably looking forward to watching the game through some sort of streaming. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2021, 09:06:33 AM
For their last home game, Week 1, they didn't post a link until after I emailed them about it. SID was probably on his third or fourth day on the job at that point.
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Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2021, 09:10:01 AM
I just found the link and added it to Presto. It'll show up on Trinity's page too, if they have their site configured to accept other sites' links.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2021, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2021, 09:10:01 AM
I just found the link and added it to Presto. It'll show up on Trinity's page too, if they have their site configured to accept other sites' links.

Thank you, sir.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2021, 12:09:04 PM
Hey BSC folks, nice article on Chris Shufford from Pat and friends up on D3football.com:

https://d3football.com/columns/features/2021/chris-shufford-hasnt-missed-a-beat
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Post by: BSCpanthers on September 30, 2021, 02:13:24 PM
That's a very well written article, thanks for sharing.  This team feels special right now, playing at a very high level.  This could be the year BSC takes the conference and makes some noise in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2021, 04:22:40 PM
Been a busy day for the d3fb gang ... the annual "Ranking the Conferences (https://d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/index)" story is out and the SAA comes in a respectable 8th.   The last line says it all:

The SAA has steadily improved their quality in their top half — the next step for this conference is to make a regional final and challenge the division's elites in the round of 8.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 30, 2021, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2021, 04:22:40 PM
Been a busy day for the d3fb gang ... the annual "Ranking the Conferences (https://d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/index)" story is out and the SAA comes in a respectable 8th.   The last line says it all:

The SAA has steadily improved their quality in their top half — the next step for this conference is to make a regional final and challenge the division's elites in the round of 8.

I can agree with that statement.  Two years ago Berry won the conference and lost to Huntingdon at home in the first round of the playoffs. No excuse for that. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 01, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 30, 2021, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2021, 04:22:40 PM
Been a busy day for the d3fb gang ... the annual "Ranking the Conferences (https://d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/index)" story is out and the SAA comes in a respectable 8th.   The last line says it all:

The SAA has steadily improved their quality in their top half — the next step for this conference is to make a regional final and challenge the division's elites in the round of 8.

I can agree with that statement.  Two years ago Berry won the conference and lost to Huntingdon at home in the first round of the playoffs. No excuse for that.

Hendrix came sort of close to beating Huntingdon in Round 1 at their place a few years back, but some second half injuries really killed the momentum. I believe that the SAA can get over the hump consistently sometime soon!
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2021, 10:12:54 PM
Here's Berry's preview of tomorrow's game against Trinity (https://www.berryvikings.com/news/2021/10/1/football-vikings-open-saa-title-defense-hosting-trinity-for-mountain-day-clash.aspx).  They do a good job with these. 
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Post by: tigerguy on October 02, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
Excited to see today if Trinity's offense can beat up good teams as well as bad teams. I wish I could say I'm hoping the Trinity/Berry game will be a close, good game; but, after Berry's big loss to UWW I think Trinity has to win by at least 10 to let the voters know they are legit. Assuming Berry's loss wasn't the result of them coming out flat (I wasn't able to watch much of the game), I don't think Trinity (or BSC) can afford a close game against Berry if the conference has a shot at a second playoff team, which I know is tough for this conference to get. Was 2011 the last time SCAC/SAA got two teams in? I know that year Trinity lost first round to the transitioning-to-D1 McMurry and Centre won first round but ran into Mount Union second round.


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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2021, 02:44:55 PM
TLU made the playoffs out of the SCAC in 2014, the last SCAC playoff team, and actually gave UMHB their biggest first round challenge in recent memory, falling 27-20 (the Bulldogs didn't get to 20 until there were 96 seconds left).  Centre fell to John Carroll in the second round that year. 

Speaking of Centre, they are routing Hendrix 35-7 at the half on their way to a 4-0 start.   Trinity will face that challenge next weekend in San Antonio.

Meanwhile, Austin College is wondering again why they decided to move back to the ASC, trailing UMHB 35-0 midway in the second quarter.   One first down and 10 yards total offense isn't going to win many games ...


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Post by: tigerguy on October 02, 2021, 07:29:36 PM
Is the main camera on the Berry broadcast out of focus, or is the stream quality just not great? Or maybe something just wrong with my internet?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 02, 2021, 07:31:19 PM
Little better now for me. I might have jumped the gun.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2021, 07:41:04 PM
The Berry announcers are complaining about officiating.

Penalties
Trinity 8-100 (a ninth just now was waved off)
Berry 4-30

14-6 Trinity midway 3rd quarter. 
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Post by: tigerguy on October 02, 2021, 07:49:16 PM
BSC putting the hurt on Sewanee. 34-0 with 7 minutes remaining in the second.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2021, 07:49:29 PM
Trinity makes it 21-6 after a 75-yard drive converting several third downs.   Berry has a player (Brookshire) thrown out after the TD on a dead ball personal foul.   3:07 to play (Q3). 
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2021, 08:30:21 PM
After a couple of interceptions and a couple of turnovers on downs, Trinity starts at the Berry 30, converts a fourth down, and score on a short Hutchinson run to extend the lead to 27-6.   Trinity basically runs the clock out after the Vikings last drive ends (again) on downs.   

Total yards TU 357 BC 181
TOP TU 40:43 BC 19:17
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 02, 2021, 11:06:28 PM
BSC finished it off, winning 49-0 over Sewanee. 

Sewanee was never in the game, BSC jumped out quick to a 21 lead in the first quarter and never looked back. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 03, 2021, 11:18:42 AM
Trinity did what it needed to do yesterday, but still lots of sloppiness. Three of Berry's six points came on a drive in which Trinity had three personal foul penalties which moved Berry 45 yards downfield.

BSC looked great - hope both BSC and Trinity don't take their foots off the gas the rest of the way.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2021, 10:00:32 AM
Well, an interesting opening weekend for most SAA teams with about the only surprise being the ease with which Trinity defeated Berry.  Guess I expected a little better out of Rhodes after last week. 

As for *this weekend*:
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 04, 2021, 12:03:46 PM
Centre has Trinity this weekend and BSC the next weekend.  It's possible the conference could be decided in the next two weeks.  I hope it isn't, because that would mean Centre owns it, but it should be a good couple weeks in conference to watch some games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2021, 02:21:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2021, 02:44:55 PM


Meanwhile, Austin College is wondering again why they decided to move back to the ASC, trailing UMHB 35-0 midway in the second quarter.   One first down and 10 yards total offense isn't going to win many games ...
...tens of thousands of dollars saved on the travel budget.

Everybody, except Belhaven and SRSU, is closer than their nearest SAA opponents (Hendrix and TU).  Millsaps is one mile farther than Belhaven.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on October 04, 2021, 03:08:58 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2021, 02:21:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2021, 02:44:55 PM


Meanwhile, Austin College is wondering again why they decided to move back to the ASC, trailing UMHB 35-0 midway in the second quarter.   One first down and 10 yards total offense isn't going to win many games ...
...tens of thousands of dollars saved on the travel budget.

Everybody, except Belhaven and SRSU, are closer than their nearest SAA opponents (Hendrix and TU).  Millsaps is one mile farther than Belhaven.

In looking at ACs time in the SAA and SCAC it looks like they averaged around 3-4 wins a season. I watched parts of their broadcast this weekend and they noted that AC was getting a new turf field next year as well as new Nike uniforms. Mix that and a good academic reputation I don't see why they can't at least match their success in the SAA.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2021, 10:41:44 PM
Trinity-Berry is discussed for a couple minutes early in this week's D3football.com podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2021/10/04/atn-podcast-288-close-calls-from-week-5/) (though unlike Greg Thomas, I think the Trinity defense gets another test this week).   It's the second or third game discussed. 
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 08, 2021, 12:42:02 PM
Panthers have officially left Alabama and are headed back to Arkansas for the meeting with Hendrix.  Should be a good weekend in the SAA, I'll be watching!!!
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Post by: awadelewis on October 09, 2021, 05:12:16 PM
Sewanee remained true to the season's trend and let Rhodes put 27 up in the 4th quarter for Rhodes 55 - Sewanee 13 final score.

Trinity beats Centre 27-7.  Horn 21-33 for 246 yds and 3 tds.

Berry 35-14 over Millsaps with 1:30 left in the 3Q.

B-SC 43-6 over Hendrix.
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Post by: D3Navy on October 09, 2021, 09:42:14 PM
Dominating, but subdued, performance from Trinity.  Centre's score was a long pass, but other than that they never really threatened.  Trinity lines are both very, very strong.

Would like to see the offense mix up the play selection a bit more.  Perhaps not necessary when out to solid leads and overall in control.

Lots of speed and very aggressive play.  Really fun to watch!
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2021, 09:44:41 PM
I was at Centre-Trinity and between that result and what B-SC has been doing it sure seems likely that the conference championship will be determined November 6 in Birmingham.  Centre could not figure out the Trinity defense all day with their one score coming off a busted play where the Centre QB, Trentin Dupper, evaded all kinds of defenders and hurled a ball deep to a wide open receiver that had gotten lost in the confusion.   Dupper was basically the Colonel offense - 117 yards passing (32 on the play just mentioned; 10-25 with 1 TD and no interceptions despite balls going through a lot of Trinity hands) and 46 yards on the ground (with a long of 37). 

For Trinity it was once again the Tucker Horn show, with Horn going for 246 yards on 21-33 for 3 TDs and scoring another on the ground from 11 yards out.  Austin Bertness had six receptions and two of those scores including a beautiful one-handed catch that froze the defenders just long enough for him to get around them on a 20-yard catch and run.  BJ Stewart, younger brother of Chris Stewart, had the other touchdown catch. 

Centre did make some defensive adjustments at the half that slowed Trinity, but even so total yardage was 405-180 in the home side's favor.  51 of Centre's yards came on their final possession (plus 25 penalty yards), but they needed 52 as Dupper was stopped inside the 1 as time ran out

D3Navy, saw your post while I was composing this one and it seemed to be a very deliberate game plan today without a lot of deep balls and no forcing balls into coverage.   Edit:  One non-deliberate thing was Trinity going for it on fourth down four times, converting three of them, the last coming on a fake punt on 4th and 11 at their own 40 which picked up 45 yards and eventually resulted in the final score.  That's pretty ballsy when you're only ahead by two scores. 

Edit2:  BJ Stewart is not related to Chris Stewart.   Made an assumption and you know what they say about those.
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 09, 2021, 10:30:24 PM
BSC gave up points in the second half for the first time today.  Other then the first drive of the second half, the defense was strong all day.  The game next weekend at Centre should be telling how good that game may be I'm Birmingham in 4 weeks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 09, 2021, 10:32:49 PM
I was getting drinks when they did the fake punt!  Perfect call!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2021, 05:57:03 PM
Trinity #23, Birmingham-Southern #24 in this week's D3football Top 25 (https://www.d3football.com/top25/2021/week6).
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Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2021, 06:35:18 PM
... answering the call of the Centre fans from last week who were looking for poll positioning for the SAA, when the answer was, once teams get more consolidated then the votes probably will consolidate also.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
Speaking of which, Trinity-Centre gets a couple of minutes towards the front of this week's ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2021/10/11/atn-podcast-289-clarification-celebration-and-separation/).   

Week 6 in the SAA:

Week 7:
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BerryCollegeFan on October 14, 2021, 03:47:54 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 09, 2021, 09:42:14 PM
Dominating, but subdued, performance from Trinity.  Centre's score was a long pass, but other than that they never really threatened.  Trinity lines are both very, very strong.

Would like to see the offense mix up the play selection a bit more.  Perhaps not necessary when out to solid leads and overall in control.

Lots of speed and very aggressive play.  Really fun to watch!

Seems to me that Berry moved the ball better against Trinity than Centre did.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 14, 2021, 04:46:03 PM
Berry isn't dead and out of this yet.  Still only have the one conference loss and still plays BSC and Centre. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2021, 05:20:43 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 14, 2021, 04:46:03 PM
Berry isn't dead and out of this yet.  Still only have the one conference loss and still plays BSC and Centre.

Football is a funny game, unexpected Ls come up all the time.  Agreed.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 15, 2021, 01:24:38 PM
The Panthers have once again left the state for another conference game.  This game against Centre will really be a good chance to see exactly where this BSC team is.  Looking forward to a good one tomorrow.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2021, 02:51:44 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 15, 2021, 01:24:38 PM
The Panthers have once again left the state for another conference game.  This game against Centre will really be a good chance to see exactly where this BSC team is.  Looking forward to a good one tomorrow.

I have a feeling the one Quick Hit panelist who picked Centre to upset B-SC (https://d3football.com/notables/2021/10/quick-hits-week7) is going to be quite surprised tomorrow.  Safe travels.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2021, 01:52:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2021, 02:51:44 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 15, 2021, 01:24:38 PM
The Panthers have once again left the state for another conference game.  This game against Centre will really be a good chance to see exactly where this BSC team is.  Looking forward to a good one tomorrow.

I have a feeling the one Quick Hit panelist who picked Centre to upset B-SC (https://d3football.com/notables/2021/10/quick-hits-week7) is going to be quite surprised tomorrow.  Safe travels.

Or maybe it will be me.  Centre 13-7 mid-Q2 as they have kept Shufford well in check so far.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 16, 2021, 02:27:42 PM
Trinity can't get out of their own way right now. Some costly penalties and now a missed field goal. 7-0 Trinity but this shouldn't be close right now. Offense not in synch and Horn has missed some throws he normally makes in his sleep.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2021, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 16, 2021, 02:27:42 PM
Trinity can't get out of their own way right now. Some costly penalties and now a missed field goal. 7-0 Trinity but this shouldn't be close right now. Offense not in synch and Horn has missed some throws he normally makes in his sleep.

And a TD called back followed by a missed chip shot FG.  Still 14-0 after 1.

BSC 14-13 at half, Shufford held to 21 yards.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 16, 2021, 03:04:34 PM
It's 20-0 Trinity with 4 mins to go in the first half, but Trinity is still not firing on all cylinders. A bad snap on a field goal from the 4 yard line results in a loss of yards rather than 3 points. Second field goal gone wrong today.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 16, 2021, 03:15:24 PM
Tiger defense continues their dominant run. Allowed 50 yards total in the first half - 18 of those on one broken run. 20-0 Trinity.

BSC got the ball back with 7 mins left in the 4th, down 7, and Shufford broke off a 51 yard run. Two plays later he fumbled on Centre's 3 yard line and Centre recovered. He has been completely bottled up other than the 51 yard run. We'll see if BSC gets another shot to tie. 5 mins left in the 4th, Centre 21, BSC 14.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2021, 03:19:22 PM
I think Centre/BSC are still in Q3,their live stats are messed up.

Trinity 5+:1 on 1st half yardage but definitely work to be done to clean the offense up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 16, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
Yep you're right. Stats briefly had it as 4th quarter. It's been flipping around all afternoon
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 16, 2021, 04:04:03 PM
BSC holds on 28-21 over Centre.

Centre had a shot at the end. With 1:12 to go, Centre down 28-21, 4th and 5 for Centre on their own 34. False start by Centre to make it 4th and 10. Diving catch by a Centre receiver to pick it up. 3rd and 10 with 40 seconds to go on Centre's 44. Huge pressure by BSC and the Centre qb scrambles around and throws up a duck that somehow a Centre receiver comes down with on BSC 44. 4th and 10 with 20 seconds left, Centre qb throws up a 50/50 ball down to the 15 yard line - some contact but no flag. Game over.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 16, 2021, 04:13:31 PM
First fumble by Trinity all year (by backup running back) puts Millsaps in Tiger territory for the first time all day. Trinity defense steps up with a sack for 10 yards on Millsaps' first play, and an interception on second. Trinity 36-0 with a minute to go in the 3rd. Backups now in across the offense for Trinity.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 16, 2021, 04:40:45 PM
Berry up 24-0 at the half over Sewanee.   And now, Berry up 31-0 in the 3rd Q.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2021, 04:47:18 PM
Trinity will win 46-0 and outgained Millsaps around 550-75. 
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Post by: tigerguy on October 16, 2021, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2021, 04:47:18 PM
Trinity will win 46-0 and outgained Millsaps around 550-75.

Trinity starters allow only 50 yards, backups give up an additional 22 in about a quarter a half of work. Offense never was fully in sync all game but obviously did enough. Field goal unit needs a lot of work. Another reoccurring issue for the Tigers is penalties. Came into the game averaging 6.5 penalties (140th in nation) and 68.75 yards (185th in nation) per game. Eight more penalties today for 95 yards; two of those penalties negated touchdowns and a D-lineman got ejected because he had two PI penalties. That won't work against BSC or playoff teams. Still, hard to complain about a 46-0 win but I'm obviously trying.
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Post by: D3Navy on October 16, 2021, 08:37:38 PM
Another dominant outing from Trinity.  Millsaps operated in TU territory only a couple of times all game.

A broader play selection today including a couple of reverses.  As tigerguy said, the placekicking game needs some work.  TU went for it on 4th down a couple of times where a more confident kicking game would've usually come into play.

tigerguy also rightly highlighted the penalties.  It got very heated between the teams on the field in the 2nd half and I was quite impressed when Coach Urban called a timeout and brought the WHOLE team out around him to fix it.  Can't remember seeing that before in football.

Lots of time for replacements to play today revealing a lot of depth in the "skill" positions on this Tiger team.  With strong lines, the future looks bright.

A glorious day in San Antonio weather-wise and a terrific outing.
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 16, 2021, 09:04:48 PM
BSC played their worst game of the year today.  Had 14 penalties for 114 yards, fumbled the ball 4 times, twice inside the 5, fortunately Centre gave it right back to us just before the half.  BSC couldn't tackle the QB.  Trey Patterson had some, "What the hell is he doing" moments, but Southern survived as a team.  Patterson ended up 17 of 22 for 239 yards, also had a 65 yards TD run, so it ended as a good day. 

BSC is going to have to clean up all the penalties if we want to take down Trinity in 3 weeks.  But still 6-0, so I'll take it. 

On to the next one, which is Homecoming with Rhodes next weekend.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2021, 09:44:25 PM
Rhodes and Hendrix in OT.   Both have field goals blocked in first OT.   Hendrix made their FG in 2OT.    Lynx get a 15 yd rush for TD from James Moskosky to win their first home game of the season and get back to .500 (3-3, 2-1 SAA).   Hendrix falls to 1-5, 0-3 SAA.

Conference Standings approaching the midpoint of the season:


TeamRecordSAARemaining games
BSC
6-0
3-0RHO @BER TRI @MIL
TRI
5-0
3-0@UOS HDX @BSC RHO
BER
4-2
2-1@HDX BSC @RHO CEN
RHO
3-3
2-1@BSC @CEN BER @TRI
CEN
4-2
1-2@MIL RHO @UOS @BER
MIL
1-5
1-2CEN UOS @HDX BSC
HDX
1-5
0-3BER @TRI MIL @UOS
UOS
0-6
0-3TRI @MIL CEN HDX
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2021, 09:39:25 AM
And this isn't SAA (or even Region 3) but you have to feel for the QB in the UW-Platteville / #11 UW-La Crosse game yesterday.   Basically the UW-P offense was in position to try a game winning FG with time running down and had plenty of time on the clock, which the UW-P QB patiently allowed to run down before taking the snap.   Instead of stopping the clock with a few seconds left by spiking the ball, he took a knee.  With no timeouts the stunned offense could not get set for another snap before time ran out.   You can see video of the play here (https://twitter.com/d3football/status/1449490517788663808) (thank you, Pat).   This would have been a huge upset given that UW-P was 1-4 going into the game (including a narrow loss to Region 3's ETBU).

It would have been about a 31-yard FGA - no sure thing as the kicker is 4/7 on the season, but was well within his range as he had a 41- and a 50-yarder to his credit this season. 
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Post by: tigerguy on October 17, 2021, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2021, 09:39:25 AM
And this isn't SAA (or even Region 3) but you have to feel for the QB in the UW-Platteville / #11 UW-La Crosse game yesterday.   Basically the UW-P offense was in position to try a game winning FG with time running down and had plenty of time on the clock, which the UW-P QB patiently allowed to run down before taking the snap.   Instead of stopping the clock with a few seconds left by spiking the ball, he took a knee.  With no timeouts the stunned offense could not get set for another snap before time ran out.   You can see video of the play here (https://twitter.com/d3football/status/1449490517788663808) (thank you, Pat).   This would have been a huge upset given that UW-P was 1-4 going into the game (including a narrow loss to Region 3's ETBU).

It would have been about a 31-yard FGA - no sure thing as the kicker is 4/7 on the season, but was well within his range as he had a 41- and a 50-yarder to his credit this season.


Kirk Cousins did that a couple of years ago. The UW ending has been all over social media. Feel for the kid - but if an NFL qb can do it, anyone can. Hopefully it doesn't haunt him for too long. Would have been a nice upset for UW-P though.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
Week 7 games where 3 of the 4 winners will likely be road teams:
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 20, 2021, 04:53:59 PM
This week is easy to predict, best game could be Rhodes@BSC, but I expect BSC to return to their 40 point win ways as they were before the Centre game. 
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2021, 11:26:57 PM
Generous coverage of the Trinity defense in this week's Around the Nation (https://d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/index).   Thank you @wallywabash (aka Greg Thomas)!
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Post by: wally_wabash on October 22, 2021, 11:31:08 AM
Appreciate the read, Ron.  Thank you!
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2021, 02:36:29 PM
Trinity offense a little out of sync but the D is doing its thing (6 yards allowed).  14-0 after 1st quarter.
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Post by: tigerguy on October 23, 2021, 02:42:08 PM
Some dropped balls not helping. Announcers saying the wind is pretty stiff which might be causing the issues in the air. Trinity is also using two different kickers for field goals and kickoffs. Freshman kicker is doing the kickoffs and has had two wobblers landing around the 35 each time. Not sure what that's all about.
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Post by: tigerguy on October 23, 2021, 03:48:40 PM
Chris Stewart now has two punt returns for touchdowns today - assuming he will be a solid candidate for special teams player of the week on the D3 national team. 52-0 Trinity with 10 minutes left in the third. Trinity's D has given up 40 yards thus far, 18 of those on one run by Sewanee's QB before halftime. Backups now in on the offense.
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Post by: tigerguy on October 23, 2021, 04:02:22 PM
Shanked punt by Trinity and a backup cb for Trinity biting on a double move gives Sewanee their first points of the afternoon. 52-7. Trinity's returner promptly lets the kickoff bounce and touch him and Sewanee recovers on Trinity's 15. Boneheaded plays.
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Post by: awadelewis on October 23, 2021, 04:43:35 PM
That was rough few hours.   But can agree that Urban has this Trinity team coached up to the point where they remind me of the teams I saw while he was playing.
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Post by: tigerguy on October 23, 2021, 04:53:17 PM
Sewanee was able to get 61 rush yards on 45 attempts which will raise Trinity's per-game rushing yards allowed from 36 to 40.1, despite lowering their yards per-rush allowed from 1.51 to 1.46 on the season. Sewanee had two qb keepers that dashed Trinity for gains of 18 and 17 yards, and obviously ran much more than they threw today.

Trinity came into the game averaging 498 yards of offense but was only able to muster 416 total, which was due largely to the two special teams touchdowns and the fact that the starters game out with 10 minutes left in the 3rd. Hopefully another good tune-up next week against Hendrix before the showdown with BSC.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2021, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 23, 2021, 04:43:35 PM
That was rough few hours.   But can agree that Urban has this Trinity team coached up to the point where they remind me of the teams I saw while he was playing.

Sorry for the tough times you are having on the Mountain.

I'd say Coach Urban has them playing at a high level, but I'd say that where the Mohr teams of the late 90s-00s were offensive juggernauts with decent defenses, that the emphasis this year has been more on the defensive side.  The O can get it done to be sure, but the D has been truly a difference maker.  But it has its toughest challenge by far in two weeks.
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Post by: awadelewis on October 23, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
The off season will be interesting as our AD will be retiring at the end of this year.  Our new VC/President is a lot more into athletics than our past few leaders.  So I suspect that Coach Rundle will get one more year to right the situation.

From what I saw of the Trinity starters don't think it won't be long until the O is at that level.   Am interested in hearing how y'all think either Trinity or B-SC will stack up against the ASC winner?

Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2021, 05:03:07 PM

Sorry for the tough times you are having on the Mountain.

I'd say Coach Urban has them playing at a high level, but I'd say that where the Mohr teams of the late 90s-00s were offensive juggernauts with decent defenses, that the emphasis this year has been more on the defensive side.  The O can get it done to be sure, but the D has been truly a difference maker.  But it has its toughest challenge by far in two weeks.
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Post by: jknezek on October 23, 2021, 06:09:35 PM
Sewanee has to find some way to right the ship. It's been a lot of down years. This is a football rich area. Sewanee should be able to field competitive at least every couple years and good ones now and then. At a minimum. Not sure why this never seems to happen.
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Post by: Hawks88 on October 23, 2021, 07:30:24 PM
Berry's Mason Kinsey added to Titans active roster for tomorrow's game with the Chiefs.

https://www.si.com/nfl/titans/gm-report/tennessee-titans-nfl-mason-kinsey-practice-squad-elevation
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 23, 2021, 09:58:58 PM
BSC takes down Rhodes 41-6.  17-0 at the half, Rhodes seemed to make the adjustments at halftime and takes the first drive in the second half to a TD before missing the PAT.  After that all BSC as has been most of the season.  BSC improves to 7-0.
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 24, 2021, 03:46:32 PM
I need confirmation on the kick time for the BSC@Berry game next Saturday.  Is it 3:00 eastern time or 3:00 central time???  Either way I will be there, just need to know when to be there.   :)
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Post by: Hawks88 on October 24, 2021, 04:29:49 PM
The times on the D3Football.com schedules is always eastern time so it looks like 4 eastern, 3 central.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2021, 04:44:01 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 23, 2021, 06:09:35 PM
Sewanee has to find some way to right the ship. It's been a lot of down years. This is a football rich area. Sewanee should be able to field competitive at least every couple years and good ones now and then. At a minimum. Not sure why this never seems to happen.

Support from the administration and an AD that gets D3 is vital.  Trinity athletics were in the toilet before they hired the current AD in the early 90s.  The football program's decline from its most successful era started a few years after a new president that didn't support athletics took over.
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Post by: D3Navy on October 25, 2021, 10:38:56 AM
Trinity continues to look strong.  Great credit to all but especially the lines on both sides of the ball.

It seems the test they haven't faced is a capable passing offense.  With superb line pressure being applied, it has been rare for opposing QBs to get time to set up.  The TU secondary needs to mentally prepare for a QB able to target receivers further downfield.

Good to see different types of plays being added each game and Stewart's returns at Sewanee create yet more pressure on future opponents.

A general comment after now attending several football, soccer, and volleyball events this season: there is a an atmosphere of true athletic excellence on the Trinity campus.  All of the teams seem energized, positive, happy even.  It's a joy to watch!  The Brazil era is, indeed, over.
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Post by: awadelewis on October 25, 2021, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2021, 04:44:01 PM
Support from the administration and an AD that gets D3 is vital.  Trinity athletics were in the toilet before they hired the current AD in the early 90s.  The football program's decline from its most successful era started a few years after a new president that didn't support athletics took over.

That's the key I think, and why I'm anticipating the result of the AD search.   Our administration has often taken a "don't embarrass us too much" attitude towards football over the tenures of our last two VC/Presidents.

It's not like other sports at Sewanee struggle the same way, with basketball and a number of the Olympic sports consistently doing well year-to-year.   Recruiting has been an issue as we weren't seriously recruiting from the decent football-playing private and small high school programs in Chattanooga, Nashville, and Birmingham like we used to do 15-20 years ago.  Thought things might change a bit with Coach Rundle's hire but the results just haven't been there.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2021, 04:28:23 PM
Week 8 games:
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Post by: crufootball on October 26, 2021, 05:09:14 PM
Is Hendrix that down or just played the toughest SAA teams already and 2 good non conference teams?
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2021, 05:46:28 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2021, 05:09:14 PM
Is Hendrix that down or just played the toughest SAA teams already and 2 good non conference teams?

Definitely a down year for them, lost by 35 to HPU and only close loss was to Rhodes.  Only W against Sewanee (in a non-conference game) which hasn't won a game in years.  Outscored 274-164, giving up over 450 yards/game while barely averaging 300 themselves.
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 26, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
Hendrix is playing with a freshman QB as well.  After winning the conference in the COVID season, definitely not what I had expected from them.  I'm sure they will get it back in line quickly and be back fighting for it all soon enough.
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Post by: dmhinv on October 27, 2021, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 26, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
Hendrix is playing with a freshman QB as well.  After winning the conference in the COVID season, definitely not what I had expected from them.  I'm sure they will get it back in line quickly and be back fighting for it all soon enough.

Hendrix has lost 14 starters due to injury, including the #1 and #2 qb's.  Started in preseason and turned into an avalanche.  May have been somewhat of a down year due to the amount of seniors graduating, but the injury issue definitely magnified the w/l. 

Nice to see Trinity putting it all together.  Urban turning over the play calling duties and the QB play has been dramatic.  No more constant throwing deep and hoping.  WR and RB corps are solid.  Defense is playing lights out, lots of 4/5 year kids. 

TU juniors and seniors really benefitted from having a couple of off season strength and conditioning programs with 2x NFL S&C coach of the year Mike Clark.  Unfortunately, he left and returned to the NFL, but the results are on the field.  TU simply looks bigger, stronger and faster than their opponents.  He's impossible to replace, but the S&C program is in a very solid place. 

   
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2021, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: dmhinv on October 27, 2021, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 26, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
Hendrix is playing with a freshman QB as well.  After winning the conference in the COVID season, definitely not what I had expected from them.  I'm sure they will get it back in line quickly and be back fighting for it all soon enough.

Hendrix has lost 14 starters due to injury, including the #1 and #2 qb's.  Started in preseason and turned into an avalanche.  May have been somewhat of a down year due to the amount of seniors graduating, but the injury issue definitely magnified the w/l. 

Nice to see Trinity putting it all together.  Urban turning over the play calling duties and the QB play has been dramatic.  No more constant throwing deep and hoping.  WR and RB corps are solid.  Defense is playing lights out, lots of 4/5 year kids. 

TU juniors and seniors really benefitted from having a couple of off season strength and conditioning programs with 2x NFL S&C coach of the year Mike Clark.  Unfortunately, he left and returned to the NFL, but the results are on the field.  TU simply looks bigger, stronger and faster than their opponents.  He's impossible to replace, but the S&C program is in a very solid place. 


Solid first post - welcome, and thank you for the insights.  +k and hope to hear more from you.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2021, 08:14:57 AM
One interesting tidbit regarding Hendrix and Trinity - no home team has won a game in the short history (4 games) between the two. 
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Post by: tigerguy on October 30, 2021, 02:13:20 PM
Hendrix' lone score of the first half came off another special teams blunder for Trinity as their punt returner ran into another Tiger while fielding the punt only for it to bounce and hit him. Hendrix recovered and a nice fade route and throw made it 7-7 in the first. It's been all Trinity since then: 41-7 at the half. Tucker Horn with another dominant first half as he went 22-25 for 311 yards and 4 touchdowns. His day might be done at the half.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
Horn has 311 yards passing without his top two receivers.  Hope they are back next week.

I think the streak of no home team winning in this series is over.
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Post by: tigerguy on October 30, 2021, 03:06:17 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
Horn has 311 yards passing without his top two receivers.  Hope they are back next week.


Are they hurt? Disciplinary? Commentators never said why they were out but openly noted just now that we "still hadn't seen [the two receivers] yet"
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2021, 03:10:52 PM
I see Bertness on the sideline in jeans and jersey, seems OK.  Have not seen Merrifield.
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Post by: tigerguy on October 30, 2021, 03:30:26 PM
0-0 at the end of the first quarter in the Berry/BSC game as neither team has been able to get anything going. Shufford only has two carries for 9 yards.
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Post by: tigerguy on October 30, 2021, 03:40:53 PM
Final in SA 62-13 Trinity. Hendrix put up some offense (at least statistically) against the Tiger defense today, but the majority of that came in the second half against the Tiger backups, who played almost he entire second half. Again some mishaps for the Tigers on special teams, with the muffed punt leading to a Hendrix score, a missed field goal, and a missed PAT. Again, can't have that against a good team. Tigers also had 7 penalties for 84 yards so penalties are still an issue for this team.
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Post by: tigerguy on October 30, 2021, 04:52:38 PM
Huge stop by Berry defense just now. BSC had 4th and 1 from the Berry 2-yard line; BSC goes for it, and Shufford was stuffed literally 2-3 inches short of the first down marker. 7-3 BSC midway through the 3rd.
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Post by: tigerguy on October 30, 2021, 05:10:52 PM
Pick-six puts BSC up 14-3 at the end of the third. Berry has a stout defense but their offense just doesn't seem to be able to do much against good teams, unfortunately. Time of possession thus far is BSC 30:23, Berry 14:37. Still an entire quarter left, but I'm sure the defense is starting to tire and the offense just doesn't seem to be able to get into a groove. 
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 30, 2021, 09:47:07 PM
Final was 21-3 BSC over Berry.  The 4th quarter was a lot of flags that pushed BSC out of FG range.  BSC also had a missed FG and blocked Fag in the first half. 

BSC stood tall all day, even keeping Berry out of the end zone late when they had first and goal inside the 5. 

Next week is championship weekend for the SAA.  Trinity at BSC for it all.  Noon central kick, it should be a good one.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2021, 08:10:08 AM
Trinity@BSC and impact on the playoff race (in terms of impact on where teams go) are discussed in this week's D3football podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2021/11/01/atn-podcast-292-conference-races-down-to-wire/).  They mention that the loser will be in the Pool C conversation, but the SOS of both teams are pretty marginal and the SAA runner-up would need some help - maybe a lot of help - to end up with one of the five available bids IMO.   
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Post by: jknezek on November 03, 2021, 03:49:09 PM
The first Regional Ranking (Listing) is out. Reminder, the change this year is the "Rankings" for the first week are in alphabetical order, not in an actual ranking:

Region 3           
   Birmingham-Southern
   Centre   
   Hardin-Simmons   
   Mary Hardin-Baylor   
   Randolph-Macon   
   Trinity (Texas)   
   Washington & Lee

whole story here: https://d3football.com/playoffs/2021/first-regional-ranking
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2021, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 03, 2021, 03:49:09 PM
The first Regional Ranking (Listing) is out. Reminder, the change this year is the "Rankings" for the first week are in alphabetical order, not in an actual ranking:

Region 3           
   Birmingham-Southern
   Centre   
   Hardin-Simmons   
   Mary Hardin-Baylor   
   Randolph-Macon   
   Trinity (Texas)   
   Washington & Lee

whole story here: https://d3football.com/playoffs/2021/first-regional-ranking

Good news for the SAA runner-up because they will have a 1-1 vs RRO against Hardin-Simmons' 0-1.   Whether that will be enough to overcome HSU's strong SOS advantage (and the quality of that one loss) is another question.   The 1-1 could help against other Pool C candidates, though. 
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2021, 11:45:32 AM
Our friend @wally_wabash takes a look at the regional "rankings" and takes a stab at an actual ranking based on the NCAA criteria.  No real surprises in our region, IMO, but still worth your time. 

https://d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2021/giving-order-to-regional-rankings

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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2021, 01:36:02 PM
Let's see, anything important going on this weekend?   ;D

Week 9 (OK, really week 10) games:
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Post by: albatross on November 05, 2021, 11:31:02 PM
Looking forward to the noon game tomorrow! This conference season definitely did not turn out how we thought, but glad it has been a fun one.
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Post by: tigerguy on November 06, 2021, 02:21:32 PM
Looks like its a pretty windy day at BSC so not much offense through the air thus far. 14-7 Trinity at the half. BSC will get the ball to start the 2nd.
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Post by: tigerguy on November 06, 2021, 02:40:08 PM
Of course I say that, and then Trey Patterson comes out in the second half and drops a bee-youuu-tiful 33 yard ball for a TD to tie it up 14-14.

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Post by: tigerguy on November 06, 2021, 03:35:07 PM
Holy cow. BSC down 28-21 with 25 seconds left. 4th and 1 at Trinity one yard line. Run play and Trinity thinks they get the stuff but refs say BSC gets in to make it 28-27. BSC goes for 2 but receiver bobbles it in front corner of end zone; no good. BSC goes for the onside and almost gets it but Trinity recovers. Great ending. Pretty great game overall. Congrats to the Tigers and I sure hope BSC gets in as a pool C - they sure deserve it.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2021, 04:49:01 PM
Only got to see second half, two teams that didn't want to lose and Trinity fortunate to come away with the win.  The way the BSC QB was running all over the Tiger defense figured they'd run him off a fake to Shufford for the two point conversion.

One more W and probably a home game in the first round against HSU.  Don't expect to see a lot of movement in the D3 top 25 given the narrow win.
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Post by: tigerguy on November 06, 2021, 05:17:02 PM
Trinity has had a real problem with allowing opposing QBs to get big gains on runs when a play breaks down. Secondary does its job most of the time but there is no spy and so he just takes off. Have noticed that all season and it needs to get addressed
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Post by: awadelewis on November 06, 2021, 05:36:33 PM
Centre leaves the Mountain with a 30-20 win over Sewanee.  My one-and-only in-person game this year.     Centre was pretty lackluster today and Sewanee's run defense was pretty much poor like it's been all season.   The Centre QB made some really silly throws that turned into ints.

I really do hope B-SC gets a Pool C bid.   But they may have to put a thumping on Millsaps next week in Jackson to keep in the running.
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Post by: BSCpanthers on November 06, 2021, 07:22:39 PM
It was windy and cooler then expected on the Hilltop today.  The game never got more the a TD apart, but it was two very evenly matched teams.  BSC lost the field position battle in the first half, but none the less, stayed with Trinity all day.  Very clean day with no turnovers for either team and not many, if any, mistakes.  It was a conference game the way conference championship games should go.  Unfortunately for my Panthers, we came up 3 yards short on the 2 point conversion.  That was the only difference in the game, we kick the PAT and we go to OT.  Selection sunday(or whenever they do it) will be a tense day.
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Post by: DGPugh on November 06, 2021, 10:14:28 PM
BSCPanthers
hope yall get in the playoffs

keep the faith
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Post by: jknezek on November 08, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
636 miles between W&L and Huntingdon unfortunately. Birmingham Southern is listed as 559 away from W&L. Not that I think any of those 3 teams gets a home game, but it is interesting to note for the future that the expanded radius now puts the lower half of the ODAC inside the Southeastern most SAA range, Trinity, Rhodes, and Hendrix are still too far out. And the very southern part of the ODAC, Ferrum, Guilford, and soon to be Averett, are inside the southern most USASAC range.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2021, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 08, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
636 miles between W&L and Huntingdon unfortunately. Birmingham Southern is listed as 559 away from W&L. Not that I think any of those 3 teams gets a home game, but it is interesting to note for the future that the expanded radius now puts the lower half of the ODAC inside the Southeastern most SAA range, Trinity, Rhodes, and Hendrix are still too far out. And the very southern part of the ODAC, Ferrum, Guilford, and soon to be Averett, are inside the southern most USASAC range.

The NCAA has shown a willingness in the past to give a team that doesn't deserve a home game one if it saves them flights (e.g. if the two teams would otherwise have to fly and those are the only two flights that would result). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2021, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2021, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 08, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
636 miles between W&L and Huntingdon unfortunately. Birmingham Southern is listed as 559 away from W&L. Not that I think any of those 3 teams gets a home game, but it is interesting to note for the future that the expanded radius now puts the lower half of the ODAC inside the Southeastern most SAA range, Trinity, Rhodes, and Hendrix are still too far out. And the very southern part of the ODAC, Ferrum, Guilford, and soon to be Averett, are inside the southern most USASAC range.

The NCAA has shown a willingness in the past to give a team that doesn't deserve a home game one if it saves them flights (e.g. if the two teams would otherwise have to fly and those are the only two flights that would result). 

I have trouble with the UMHB/ Trinity/ Huntingdon / W&L Pool A and what to do with Pool C.

If neither BSC not HSU makes it, then

1) Huntingdon can be flown somewhere.
2) TU goes to UMHB, and
3) Redlands goes to Linfield for the other orphan pairing.

If BSC makes it,
1) Huntingdon to BSC
2) Trinity to UMHB
3) Redlands to Linfield
4) HSU stays home because Wayland Baptist(NAIA) helped with scheduling but not playoffs hopes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: justafan12 on November 08, 2021, 05:43:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2021, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 08, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
636 miles between W&L and Huntingdon unfortunately. Birmingham Southern is listed as 559 away from W&L. Not that I think any of those 3 teams gets a home game, but it is interesting to note for the future that the expanded radius now puts the lower half of the ODAC inside the Southeastern most SAA range, Trinity, Rhodes, and Hendrix are still too far out. And the very southern part of the ODAC, Ferrum, Guilford, and soon to be Averett, are inside the southern most USASAC range.

The NCAA has shown a willingness in the past to give a team that doesn't deserve a home game one if it saves them flights (e.g. if the two teams would otherwise have to fly and those are the only two flights that would result).

NCAA will do whatever it takes to save them money at the D3 level. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 08, 2021, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2021, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2021, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 08, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
636 miles between W&L and Huntingdon unfortunately. Birmingham Southern is listed as 559 away from W&L. Not that I think any of those 3 teams gets a home game, but it is interesting to note for the future that the expanded radius now puts the lower half of the ODAC inside the Southeastern most SAA range, Trinity, Rhodes, and Hendrix are still too far out. And the very southern part of the ODAC, Ferrum, Guilford, and soon to be Averett, are inside the southern most USASAC range.

The NCAA has shown a willingness in the past to give a team that doesn't deserve a home game one if it saves them flights (e.g. if the two teams would otherwise have to fly and those are the only two flights that would result). 

I have trouble with the UMHB/ Trinity/ Huntingdon / W&L Pool A and what to do with Pool C.

If neither BSC not HSU makes it, then

1) Huntingdon can be flown somewhere.
2) TU goes to UMHB, and
3) Redlands goes to Linfield for the other orphan pairing.

If BSC makes it,
1) Huntingdon to BSC
2) Trinity to UMHB
3) Redlands to Linfield
4) HSU stays home because Wayland Baptist(NAIA) helped with scheduling but not playoffs hopes.

Remember, BSC had Arkansas Baptist(NAIA) in the same role as Wayland Baptist for HSU.
If HSU is on the board ahead of BSC and gets in while BSC doesn't,
1)HSU to Trinity
2)Huntingdon/Redlands to UMHB/Linfield

On the neither BSC or HSU making it, with the 500 mile rule being changed to 600 miles,
1) Huntingdon can be flown somewhere. Greenville or RHIT/Mt St Josephs winner can bus to Montgomery.  ::)
2) TU goes to UMHB, and
3) Redlands goes to Linfield for the other orphan pairing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 08, 2021, 07:03:24 PM
Saturday wasn't the best case for BSC (obviously), but it probably was the best case scenario for the SAA to put two teams in.  BSC presents as a much stronger Pool  C candidate than Trinity so the league's AQ went to the team that probably needed it most. 

We'll wait and see how the rankings look, but BSC seems likely to have two results against ranked opponents this week (Trinity and Centre...I think Centre stays in).  If Berry beats Centre on Saturday, Berry could get ranked in the final rankings or clear the deck for Huntingdon to get in there.  BSC could end up with 3 (or four if somehow Huntingdon and Berry squeeze into the final rankings...might take a Hampden-Sydney win to get there), two of them wins, one a single point loss to who I assume will be the #2 team in the region.  Could certainly see BSC ranked ahead of HSU in the Region 3 pecking order. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2021, 08:10:32 PM
I want the SAA representative to be sent to UMHB. The rest of the South "never" plays the ASC rep. The only time I can find an ASC-SCAC/SAA South Region (non-Huntingdon/non-Wesley/non-Texas Lutheran) matchup in the previous 10 post-seasons is the 2018 2nd round game, UMHB versus Berry, 75-9. Before that you have to go back to 2011 when McMurry was sent to Trinity and beat them, 25-16.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 10, 2021, 05:00:37 PM
Regional Rankings are out...B-SC sits ahead of Hardin-Simmons. That makes for a big boost to B-SC's playoff hopes assuming nothing changes in the "secret rankings" next weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2021, 06:28:12 PM
Good news for BSC, less so for Trinity who likely end up at UMHB next week.

But a 1-1 vRRO and less than .500 SOS is going to be very hard to pick over the other regional reps. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 10, 2021, 07:26:50 PM
Still have business to take care of this weekend.  Don't need to stumble in Millsaps and mess this up.  Sorry Millsaps, need a big win against you and think the boys will be bringing the whipping stick with them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2021, 12:10:37 AM
The way this is playing out over on the Bracketology board, I expect TU to go to UMHB.

For the sake of Region 3, I want the bracket to have BSC-vs whomever (Huntingdon?) playing the UMHB-TU winner in the 2nd round.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SW1 on November 11, 2021, 01:12:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2021, 12:10:37 AM
The way this is playing out over on the Bracketology board, I expect TU to go to UMHB.

For the sake of Region 3, I want the bracket to have BSC-vs whomever (Huntingdon?) playing the UMHB-TU winner in the 2nd round.
If BSC were to make it in and played a Huntingdon and TU had to play MHB in fist round games then that shows how location plays way to much of a factor for D3 games. TU won their conference and get a worse draw by being closer to a top seed while a runner up got a much more winnable game. I do understand the D3 rules of travel but 1 or 2 flights extra flights a year should be factored into that budget because that is a terrible way to run a tournament.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 11, 2021, 08:36:21 AM
Quote from: SW1 on November 11, 2021, 01:12:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2021, 12:10:37 AM
The way this is playing out over on the Bracketology board, I expect TU to go to UMHB.

For the sake of Region 3, I want the bracket to have BSC-vs whomever (Huntingdon?) playing the UMHB-TU winner in the 2nd round.
If BSC were to make it in and played a Huntingdon and TU had to play MHB in fist round games then that shows how location plays way to much of a factor for D3 games. TU won their conference and get a worse draw by being closer to a top seed while a runner up got a much more winnable game. I do understand the D3 rules of travel but 1 or 2 flights extra flights a year should be factored into that budget because that is a terrible way to run a tournament.

Wishful thinking when each flight game can cost between $250,000 and $500,000. Moving a football team is expensive. 100 seat private jets cost $10-20k per flight hour. We all wish money was no factor, but it always has been and this is a cross the island teams have always, and I suspect will always, bear.

All of us recognize it isn't fair, but it is the same across all sports in D3. The committees are charged with minimizing flights in the first round. Thankfully that charge is not for the whole tournament.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2021, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: SW1 on November 11, 2021, 01:12:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2021, 12:10:37 AM
The way this is playing out over on the Bracketology board, I expect TU to go to UMHB.

For the sake of Region 3, I want the bracket to have BSC-vs whomever (Huntingdon?) playing the UMHB-TU winner in the 2nd round.
If BSC were to make it in and played a Huntingdon and TU had to play MHB in fist round games then that shows how location plays way to much of a factor for D3 games. TU won their conference and get a worse draw by being closer to a top seed while a runner up got a much more winnable game. I do understand the D3 rules of travel but 1 or 2 flights extra flights a year should be factored into that budget because that is a terrible way to run a tournament.
Welcome to the wonderful world of NCAA Division III playoff matchups.  Teams on the edge are almost always impacted like this.  When you only get 3.18% of the NCAA's spending to spread among all the playoff teams in all sports (and for all the other expenses associated with running the NCAA's largest division) it's pretty hard to find the money for fairness.   That's one reason football only gets 32 teams when it has the numbers for a few more (1 playoff bid for every 7.8 teams; I think the NCAA's "desired" ratio is 1 for every 6.5), plus adding more teams would require another week of playoffs which would push the championship dangerously close to Christmas.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 13, 2021, 03:11:26 PM
BSC is beating Millsaps 35-7 at the half.  Millsaps TD came off a tipped pass pick 6.  This is the kind of win we needed to help sure up that Pool C bid.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2021, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 13, 2021, 03:11:26 PM
BSC is beating Millsaps 35-7 at the half.  Millsaps TD came off a tipped pass pick 6.  This is the kind of win we needed to help sure up that Pool C bid.

Margin of victory really isn't a thing for Pool C, especially against a team like Millsaps.

Lots of blowouts in the SAA today but the eye-opener is the waxing Centre is putting on Berry, 42-14 after three quarters.  If they get back into the regional rankings that would help BSC more than doing Sewanee.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 13, 2021, 04:50:48 PM
Final in Jackson was 49-7.  No matter what happens with the selection committee, that is one heck of a season for BSC. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 13, 2021, 10:49:15 PM
BSC Has to get in. I can't imagine they wouldn't. If they do, they could come to Texas where we would have a SAA vs ASC first round if HSU also gets in.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on November 14, 2021, 01:54:49 PM
Minor point here but good to see Hendrix rally with two solid wins to close out the season. They knew they were capable of more and sent the seniors out on a high note.

Centre with a solid season-ending win as well. Now we wait until 5:30 EST...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 14, 2021, 02:25:36 PM
I expect Hendrix to be back competing for the conference title next season.  Seems like y'all had a lot of injuries and were playing with a freshman QB.  Rhodes is getting better, Centre and Berry will still be Centre and Berry, next season should be wide open.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 14, 2021, 06:07:59 PM
Trinity and BSC in - excellent.

Trinity facing UMHB first - less excellent.

Should be a good game with lots of fans from both sides!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 14, 2021, 06:08:27 PM
Trinity at UMHB, Huntingdon at BSC.  We could see a rematch of BSC at Trinity.  But let's get past round 1 first.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 14, 2021, 06:17:41 PM
Don't really understand why Trinity doesn't get a first round home game but BSC does. I understand cost and travel issues, but why should a conference runner up ever get placed in a better position than the conference winner?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 14, 2021, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 14, 2021, 06:17:41 PM
Don't really understand why Trinity doesn't get a first round home game but BSC does. I understand cost and travel issues, but why should a conference runner up ever get placed in a better position than the conference winner?

Because of cost and travel issues.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 14, 2021, 07:14:00 PM
Whoever wins our game will be headed to Texas the next weekend.  Like I said earlier somewhere, if you want to win it all, you're going to have to beat them eventually, doesn't matter when you play them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2021, 10:40:24 PM
Yeah, well this has been Trinity's fall so far:

(1) volleyball, top in the region earned a hosting bid.  No can do, costs too much, off to New Jersey with you.
(2) men's soccer,  top in the region, earned a hosting bid.   No can do, the women have priority and the NCAA doesn't allow both men to women to host the same weekend.   Off to Washington state with you.
(3) women's soccer, the most lightly regarded of the bunch (top in the region but #17 in the country), earned a hosting bid and miracle of miracles the NCAA let them host.  And they won both rounds.
(4) and now football, ranked #2 in the region earned a hosting bid.   No can do, costs too much, you get to go to the #1 team in the region while the team you beat gets to host.

Yes, I know it's all money.  But for God's sake just once I'd like to see the NCAA tell a team on the east coast just once they're the ones that are going have to suck it up and take one for the NCAA.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on November 14, 2021, 10:48:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2021, 10:40:24 PM
Yeah, well this has been Trinity's fall so far:

(1) volleyball, top in the region earned a hosting bid.  No can do, costs too much, off to New Jersey with you.
(2) men's soccer,  top in the region, earned a hosting bid.   No can do, the women have priority and the NCAA doesn't allow both men to women to host the same weekend.   Off to Washington state with you.
(3) women's soccer, the most lightly regarded of the bunch (top in the region but #17 in the country), earned a hosting bid and miracle of miracles the NCAA let them host.  And they won both rounds.
(4) and now football, ranked #2 in the region earned a hosting bid.   No can do, costs too much, you get to go to the #1 team in the region while the team you beat gets to host.

Yes, I know it's all money.  But for God's sake just once I'd like to see the NCAA tell a team on the east coast just once they're the ones that are going have to suck it up and take one for the NCAA.

I think that is the most frustrating part, we hear that they worked as hard as they can to make a fair bracket....unless they can save money doing other wise... and the same regions are where those costs are always saved.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SW1 on November 15, 2021, 01:15:06 AM
Their cost saving on flights should just be called Southern cost savings rule. Never does it affect any region but this one and that is a fact. If UMHB and Trinity were ranked number 1 and number 2 they would still make them play to save a dollar. Can't remember a year UMHB hasn't had to play a murderer's row to get through the playoffs. East play patsies because they are within driving distance but they always seem to still favor them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 15, 2021, 08:35:09 AM
Quote from: SW1 on November 15, 2021, 01:15:06 AM
Their cost saving on flights should just be called Southern cost savings rule. Never does it affect any region but this one and that is a fact. If UMHB and Trinity were ranked number 1 and number 2 they would still make them play to save a dollar. Can't remember a year UMHB hasn't had to play a murderer's row to get through the playoffs. East play patsies because they are within driving distance but they always seem to still favor them.

It also affects the SCIAC and NWC teams. And it's not all Southern teams, lots of teams in VA and NC for example have no issues. It's an ISLAND problem. The Deep South and West Coast teams are islands for D3 football, and, generally speaking, islands for most sports. The solution is to have more D3 teams in that area or head to a different division. Unfortunately with 3.18% allotment of funds, money is finite. Double unfortunate is it is likely to get worse, not better, if the P5 decide to take their basketball tournament and do it themselves to keep the money.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SW1 on November 15, 2021, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 15, 2021, 08:35:09 AM
Quote from: SW1 on November 15, 2021, 01:15:06 AM
Their cost saving on flights should just be called Southern cost savings rule. Never does it affect any region but this one and that is a fact. If UMHB and Trinity were ranked number 1 and number 2 they would still make them play to save a dollar. Can't remember a year UMHB hasn't had to play a murderer's row to get through the playoffs. East play patsies because they are within driving distance but they always seem to still favor them.

It also affects the SCIAC and NWC teams. And it's not all Southern teams, lots of teams in VA and NC for example have no issues. It's an ISLAND problem. The Deep South and West Coast teams are islands for D3 football, and, generally speaking, islands for most sports. The solution is to have more D3 teams in that area or head to a different division. Unfortunately with 3.18% allotment of funds, money is finite. Double unfortunate is it is likely to get worse, not better, if the P5 decide to take their basketball tournament and do it themselves to keep the money.
Sorry but in Texas we have a lot of D2 and Juco's so more D3's are probably not happening.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 15, 2021, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: SW1 on November 15, 2021, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 15, 2021, 08:35:09 AM
Quote from: SW1 on November 15, 2021, 01:15:06 AM
Their cost saving on flights should just be called Southern cost savings rule. Never does it affect any region but this one and that is a fact. If UMHB and Trinity were ranked number 1 and number 2 they would still make them play to save a dollar. Can't remember a year UMHB hasn't had to play a murderer's row to get through the playoffs. East play patsies because they are within driving distance but they always seem to still favor them.

It also affects the SCIAC and NWC teams. And it's not all Southern teams, lots of teams in VA and NC for example have no issues. It's an ISLAND problem. The Deep South and West Coast teams are islands for D3 football, and, generally speaking, islands for most sports. The solution is to have more D3 teams in that area or head to a different division. Unfortunately with 3.18% allotment of funds, money is finite. Double unfortunate is it is likely to get worse, not better, if the P5 decide to take their basketball tournament and do it themselves to keep the money.
Sorry but in Texas we have a lot of D2 and Juco's so more D3's are probably not happening.
And the problem with the Islands probably isn't going to go away either. There isn't a good solution.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 15, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
Looking forward to a great game Saturday. Looks like the common opponent is TLU. Some great comparisons there.

Anyone have any thoughts/early predictions for Saturday?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SW1 on November 16, 2021, 02:22:07 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 15, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
Looking forward to a great game Saturday. Looks like the common opponent is TLU. Some great comparisons there.

Anyone have any thoughts/early predictions for Saturday?
Should be a really good game because both schools possess a really good defense and good offense. Could come down to the 4th quarter and that is better than a blowout because they do nothing to help prepare for the next opponent.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 16, 2021, 03:28:04 PM
Quote from: SW1 on November 16, 2021, 02:22:07 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 15, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
Looking forward to a great game Saturday. Looks like the common opponent is TLU. Some great comparisons there.

Anyone have any thoughts/early predictions for Saturday?
Should be a really good game because both schools possess a really good defense and good offense. Could come down to the 4th quarter and that is better than a blowout because they do nothing to help prepare for the next opponent.

I watched the first half of the TU and BSC. Trinity looks talented. I do wonder how they will respond to team speed across the board. BSC was able to get to the QB but the qb was able to get away because of the lack of speed and wrapping up. UMHB faced that issue with HSU and has really done a better job wrapping up at the point of attack. I believe it could be close early with UMHB pulling away in the second and third. Our CBs are taller and will give the WRs problems. Should be fun.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 17, 2021, 03:58:21 PM
I noted that Trinity started the Rhodes game with a series of pass plays right out of the chute.  Different than I'd seen in previous games.  Knowing that they likely had an advantage on Rhodes, perhaps they were working on countering a stronger pass defense such as UMHB will present.

Line play will be key, but I'll contend as I have previously that the game will hinge on TU's secondary.

Hoped to make the drive up to Belton, but can't quite squeeze it in.  Will be cheering from the couch!


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 17, 2021, 09:37:23 PM
As we approach BSC hosting their first ever playoff game, I can't help but think of facility improvements.  Krulak currently holds 1600 fans, which we normally fill with games against Huntingdon(in state rival and playoff opponent), LaGrange(long term OOC game), Berry, Suwanee, Rhodes and Millsaps, all within a 4 hour drive of Birmingham.  We don't currently have stands on the visitor side, that would help a ton on easing up the pressure on the home side. 

I'm not looking for a UMHB type stadium, but would like to get over the 2,000 mark.  I'm sure it would only take someone donating the money for construction to begin, but don't even know if the school is working towards improvements or expansion.  If we expanded the stadium we would have room for the band, if they ever decided to restart that as well. 

Honestly, even temporary stands for the bigger, local games would help and might show that we could utilize permanent stands on the visitor side. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 17, 2021, 09:45:46 PM
If I remember right, the visitor sideline space is narrow to the vertical drop off. That might cause problems putting much over there in terms of expense ofconstruction. It's been a few years since I visited, but it seems like enlarging the existing stadium might be a better bet. I remember there being quite a bit of room as the stands don't stretch very far down the sidelines.

I imagine that asking Bill Battle to raise a couple hundred thousand dollars wouldn't take long, but I also wonder how many times B-SC has already gone to that well... There was a period of time not that long ago when B-SC was seemingly gasping to stay alive and the big donors came through. May not want to push that button again for something like expanded seating.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 17, 2021, 10:16:54 PM
BSC is in a constant state of fund raising.  Seems like every couple of months there is another campaign going on, which is probably good, keep money flowing in.  BSC housed some athletes during the Atlanta Olympics and used the money they received from that to remodel some dorms.  BSC is also being used for the World Games In Birmingham this summer, not sure what they will receive for that. 

As far as the field is, the ground does drop off on the visitors side, but I don't know how steep it drops off, never actually walked over there, but looking at it from the hill above the field(actually where my tailgate sets up) it doesn't look like it would be terrible to build something over there. 

I don't know how attendance numbers look compared to, say, the last 10 years.  I know they dropped the cost of attendance a few years ago, now if they could lower the cost of housing, I would surely appreciate that(paying for my kid to go there now).  Not sure how the rules completely work, I know they can't give athletic scholarships, but what about an NIL deal where someone comes in and pays for the athletes housing on campus, or or schools paying COA in DI schools, could that somehow trickle down to the DIII level....like I said before, I'm sure it all comes down finding a donor.  Half of everything on campus already Named after Bill Battle, so not sure how much we can pull from him.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 17, 2021, 10:29:33 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 17, 2021, 10:16:54 PM
BSC is in a constant state of fund raising.  Seems like every couple of months there is another campaign going on, which is probably good, keep money flowing in.  BSC housed some athletes during the Atlanta Olympics and used the money they received from that to remodel some dorms.  BSC is also being used for the World Games In Birmingham this summer, not sure what they will receive for that. 

As far as the field is, the ground does drop off on the visitors side, but I don't know how steep it drops off, never actually walked over there, but looking at it from the hill above the field(actually where my tailgate sets up) it doesn't look like it would be terrible to build something over there. 

I don't know how attendance numbers look compared to, say, the last 10 years.  I know they dropped the cost of attendance a few years ago, now if they could lower the cost of housing, I would surely appreciate that(paying for my kid to go there now).  Not sure how the rules completely work, I know they can't give athletic scholarships, but what about an NIL deal where someone comes in and pays for the athletes housing on campus, or or schools paying COA in DI schools, could that somehow trickle down to the DIII level....like I said before, I'm sure it all comes down finding a donor.  Half of everything on campus already Named after Bill Battle, so not sure how much we can pull from him.

I would guess that a good step would be to recognize similar schools who have gone through a massive fundraising stage to see how they did it would be a good start.

UMHB wasn't that grand just 20 years ago. Sure, Drayton McLane is an influential donor, but seeking funds from charitable foundations has also been a step that has paved the way for UMHB. Contacting their director of fundraising couldn't hurt.

I don't know how long the current President has been there, but it has to be someone who has a vision and a plan. Ours had that and saw it through.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 17, 2021, 10:56:43 PM
UMHB has an amazing stadium, not sure why you guys are still DIII.  Heck, y'all have the facilities for DI FCS, closer to FBS than SHSU that just accepted an invite to FBS CUSA with a stadium half the size of UMHB. 

Daniel Coleman has been the president since 2018, not sure why, but there has been a lot of turnover at President over the last 10 years. 

I haven't seen a master plan for the college, but would really be interested to find one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Toby Taff on November 18, 2021, 06:11:21 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 17, 2021, 10:29:33 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 17, 2021, 10:16:54 PM
BSC is in a constant state of fund raising.  Seems like every couple of months there is another campaign going on, which is probably good, keep money flowing in.  BSC housed some athletes during the Atlanta Olympics and used the money they received from that to remodel some dorms.  BSC is also being used for the World Games In Birmingham this summer, not sure what they will receive for that. 

As far as the field is, the ground does drop off on the visitors side, but I don't know how steep it drops off, never actually walked over there, but looking at it from the hill above the field(actually where my tailgate sets up) it doesn't look like it would be terrible to build something over there. 

I don't know how attendance numbers look compared to, say, the last 10 years.  I know they dropped the cost of attendance a few years ago, now if they could lower the cost of housing, I would surely appreciate that(paying for my kid to go there now).  Not sure how the rules completely work, I know they can't give athletic scholarships, but what about an NIL deal where someone comes in and pays for the athletes housing on campus, or or schools paying COA in DI schools, could that somehow trickle down to the DIII level....like I said before, I'm sure it all comes down finding a donor.  Half of everything on campus already Named after Bill Battle, so not sure how much we can pull from him.

I would guess that a good step would be to recognize similar schools who have gone through a massive fundraising stage to see how they did it would be a good start.

UMHB wasn't that grand just 20 years ago. Sure, Drayton McLane is an influential donor, but seeking funds from charitable foundations has also been a step that has paved the way for UMHB. Contacting their director of fundraising couldn't hurt.

I don't know how long the current President has been there, but it has to be someone who has a vision and a plan. Ours had that and saw it through.
UMHB has been blessed with great leadership. The last 3 presidents have really moved the school forward in positive directions.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2021, 07:09:46 AM
Athletic fundraising is complicated.  It's often not directly related to most of the fundraising a school does (at least that has been my experience) - the athletic department often does its own thing and it's simply hard to find donors that want to support non-scholarship athletics.  Obviously some schools are very successful, but they are the exception.  And if your school is struggling financially (which was the case for B-SC 10-15 years ago, probably not so much now) it's harder to justify an athletic fundraising campaign.  If a school is having a large-scale campaign you will sometimes see improved athletic facilities as a part of that.  And strong personalities/leaders are a huge part of successful campaigns.

As far as reducing costs for athletes, schools walk a fine line because Division III rules say that you can't grant "aid" to athletes in excess of that available to the general student population.  S-As can do NIL deals, schools can help them line them up, but (so far at least) there haven't been a lot of businesses interested in NIL for D3s.   

Southwestern just announced a deal just yesterday where  they are partnering with a firm to create NFTs that are going to be used to raise funds for the athletic department (https://www.southwesternpirates.com/general/2021-22/releases/20211117i88v7a) and athletes.   Supposedly it's the first of its type for D3.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 08:30:47 AM
Southwestern will be joining us in the SAA for football soon enough, maybe they can influence some of the other members. 

BSC's difficulty in Birmingham is gaining attention.  We are fourth in this city when it comes to football, UAB-FBS, Samford-FCS, Miles College-DII, then us, all in the BHM metro area, and of course Alabama only 45 minutes down the road.  BSC isn't going to be pulling fans in off the street, it's pretty much, students, parents and friends attending games.  We are getting the smallest of media play right now because of the playoffs, and a local sports radio guy is a BSC alum and played there, so that is getting the name out there a little more. 

Our stadium was built in 2008, It's nice enough, but I don't believe there have been any updates since then, not to the lights, the scoreboard, I think the program has grown over the years, and I'd like to see some reinvestment.  Reward the team for their success over the last couple seasons and especially this one.  Next year we are getting that SAA trophy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2021, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 08:30:47 AM
Southwestern will be joining us in the SAA for football soon enough, maybe they can influence some of the other members. 

BSC's difficulty in Birmingham is gaining attention.  We are fourth in this city when it comes to football, UAB-FBS, Samford-FCS, Miles College-DII, then us, all in the BHM metro area, and of course Alabama only 45 minutes down the road.  BSC isn't going to be pulling fans in off the street, it's pretty much, students, parents and friends attending games.  We are getting the smallest of media play right now because of the playoffs, and a local sports radio guy is a BSC alum and played there, so that is getting the name out there a little more. 

Our stadium was built in 2008, It's nice enough, but I don't believe there have been any updates since then, not to the lights, the scoreboard, I think the program has grown over the years, and I'd like to see some reinvestment.  Reward the team for their success over the last couple seasons and especially this one.  Next year we are getting that SAA trophy.
Respectfully, fourth in the city? I would say probably closer to 8th or 9th...

More likely for interest in the city, Tide, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, UAB, LSU, Samford, Miles, then B-SC, which makes it even harder.

(I sent 2 daughters to Auburn, WAR EAGLE!)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2021, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 08:30:47 AM
Southwestern will be joining us in the SAA for football soon enough, maybe they can influence some of the other members. 

BSC's difficulty in Birmingham is gaining attention.  We are fourth in this city when it comes to football, UAB-FBS, Samford-FCS, Miles College-DII, then us, all in the BHM metro area, and of course Alabama only 45 minutes down the road.  BSC isn't going to be pulling fans in off the street, it's pretty much, students, parents and friends attending games.  We are getting the smallest of media play right now because of the playoffs, and a local sports radio guy is a BSC alum and played there, so that is getting the name out there a little more. 

Our stadium was built in 2008, It's nice enough, but I don't believe there have been any updates since then, not to the lights, the scoreboard, I think the program has grown over the years, and I'd like to see some reinvestment.  Reward the team for their success over the last couple seasons and especially this one.  Next year we are getting that SAA trophy.
Respectfully, fourth in the city? I would say probably closer to 8th or 9th...

More likely for interest in the city, Tide, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, UAB, LSU, Samford, Miles, then B-SC, which makes it even harder.

(I sent 2 daughters to Auburn, WAR EAGLE!)

If you are comparing to all other football, BSC is way past 8th or 9th.  I was just putting it out there how much football is in and around the BHM area for those that don't realize.  It's easier to bring in local fans if you're the only program(Even DIII) in town.  I know there is a ton of college football in Texas, but for UMHB, in their town, they are the only team there. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 18, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2021, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 08:30:47 AM
Southwestern will be joining us in the SAA for football soon enough, maybe they can influence some of the other members. 

BSC's difficulty in Birmingham is gaining attention.  We are fourth in this city when it comes to football, UAB-FBS, Samford-FCS, Miles College-DII, then us, all in the BHM metro area, and of course Alabama only 45 minutes down the road.  BSC isn't going to be pulling fans in off the street, it's pretty much, students, parents and friends attending games.  We are getting the smallest of media play right now because of the playoffs, and a local sports radio guy is a BSC alum and played there, so that is getting the name out there a little more. 

Our stadium was built in 2008, It's nice enough, but I don't believe there have been any updates since then, not to the lights, the scoreboard, I think the program has grown over the years, and I'd like to see some reinvestment.  Reward the team for their success over the last couple seasons and especially this one.  Next year we are getting that SAA trophy.
Respectfully, fourth in the city? I would say probably closer to 8th or 9th...

More likely for interest in the city, Tide, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, UAB, LSU, Samford, Miles, then B-SC, which makes it even harder.

(I sent 2 daughters to Auburn, WAR EAGLE!)

If you are comparing to all other football, BSC is way past 8th or 9th.  I was just putting it out there how much football is in and around the BHM area for those that don't realize.  It's easier to bring in local fans if you're the only program(Even DIII) in town.  I know there is a ton of college football in Texas, but for UMHB, in their town, they are the only team there.

Yep. I work with more than a couple B-SC alums and they are off to Alabama or Auburn most weekends. When I used to go see B-SC games once or twice a year I'd invite them to come tailgate with us and they looked at me like I lost my head. It's an uphill battle to get attention even from people with connection to the school, but I think that's pretty common for D3 teams. W&L is overshadowed by VMI. Even when VMI stinks, they can pack that stadium while W&L draws nothing but parents and students.

That being said, I'd rather go see B-SC than Alabama. I have no interest in sitting with 100K drunken fools, fighting the traffic in and out, or paying the ticket prices, for Bryant-Denny. But there aren't many of me, and there's a whole lot of people that would turn up their nose at UAB, let alone B-SC...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on November 18, 2021, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2021, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 08:30:47 AM
Southwestern will be joining us in the SAA for football soon enough, maybe they can influence some of the other members. 

BSC's difficulty in Birmingham is gaining attention.  We are fourth in this city when it comes to football, UAB-FBS, Samford-FCS, Miles College-DII, then us, all in the BHM metro area, and of course Alabama only 45 minutes down the road.  BSC isn't going to be pulling fans in off the street, it's pretty much, students, parents and friends attending games.  We are getting the smallest of media play right now because of the playoffs, and a local sports radio guy is a BSC alum and played there, so that is getting the name out there a little more. 

Our stadium was built in 2008, It's nice enough, but I don't believe there have been any updates since then, not to the lights, the scoreboard, I think the program has grown over the years, and I'd like to see some reinvestment.  Reward the team for their success over the last couple seasons and especially this one.  Next year we are getting that SAA trophy.
Respectfully, fourth in the city? I would say probably closer to 8th or 9th...

More likely for interest in the city, Tide, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, UAB, LSU, Samford, Miles, then B-SC, which makes it even harder.

(I sent 2 daughters to Auburn, WAR EAGLE!)

If you are comparing to all other football, BSC is way past 8th or 9th.  I was just putting it out there how much football is in and around the BHM area for those that don't realize.  It's easier to bring in local fans if you're the only program(Even DIII) in town.  I know there is a ton of college football in Texas, but for UMHB, in their town, they are the only team there.

UMHB is the only game in town but its a small town that is less than 30 minutes from Waco (the other Baylor haha) and an hour from Austin (UT). We have developed some good local fans and are relatively big by D3 standards but I can assure if certain games like UT/OU are playing, it doesn't matter if we are playing Hardin-Simmons that weekend or not, the crowd is affected.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 12:08:41 PM
Even with sponsorship dollars, you guys may have an advantage, even in a smaller town, because companies that are going to sponsor are going to you.  We are lucky Birmingham is a bigger city, but we still compete with the other 3 schools in the city for those dollars. 

But JK is right, Alabama and Auburn cast a large shadow in this state, as I'm sure it does in other states.  And even UAB suffers from that.  But our attendance isn't an issue, we have good crowds for who we are, and because of that I'd like to see some updates to the stadium. 

This kinda turned into a poor us, but that's not what I meant to do, I'm happy with the program and support.  I think BSC could benefit with some upgrades and make the experience better for the players and fans.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: dmhinv on November 18, 2021, 04:27:59 PM
This post is just scattershooting in all directions...

Most of the SAA schools have academics at the forefront, with that comes a fight for dollars on the athletic side.   If TU or UMHB win the D3 title, will it it cause a 10-20% bump in enrollment applications like a D1 final four does?  Probably not, but it will enhance the standing of those programs for recruits.

In terms of facilities, look at the the Ivy schools stadiums and weight rooms, look at D3 Nescac stadiums (both great academic conferences) neither have much to offer over the majority of the SAA schools.  One of my kids did the east coast tour and was underwhelmed by both conferences. 

TU probably took the right approach in fundraising for the stadium improvements- have a master plan and add incrementally.  Scoreboard, turf, then seating improvements.  Urban had a message and did a nice job selling that message internally to his chain of command and then externally to alums and the SA business community.

UMHB is an outlier for D3.  The program welcomes 80-100 incoming freshman for football, it whittles that down quickly, but it provides a crazy amount of depth.  UMHB has great facilities and fan base, regardless of location, it is a crazy fun game day experience.

D3 football is not going to change, playoff travel for D3 is more of headache for the NCAA than anything.  Embrace the school, the program and hope your kids are getting a great education on and off the field that will promote long term success.

As for the Saturday game, I hope I'm wrong, but I think UMHB takes it by 3 td's.  UMHB's DL and secondary are very, very good.  TU's short game pass defense is porous and poorly schemed.   I do think TU can move the ball on the ground, but Urban's DNA is to throw.  I hope it goes to the wire.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on November 18, 2021, 05:50:24 PM
I miss Wesley in the mix.
Who misses Wesley?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 18, 2021, 07:16:50 PM
Yep, miss those guys.  :'(
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 08:11:44 PM
I wonder who will be the next program or school we will lose due to missed budgets and lack of fund raising?.?.?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 18, 2021, 10:37:37 PM
UMHB game notes are up.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/cruathletics.com/documents/2021/11/18/UMHB_FB_GAME_NOTES_NOV_20.pdf (https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/cruathletics.com/documents/2021/11/18/UMHB_FB_GAME_NOTES_NOV_20.pdf)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2021, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 08:11:44 PM
I wonder who will be the next program or school we will lose due to missed budgets and lack of fund raising?.?.?

Two D3 schools announced they were adding football this month.

Centenary LA starting in 2024
Some school back northeast starting next year supposedly
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 19, 2021, 07:54:32 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2021, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 08:11:44 PM
I wonder who will be the next program or school we will lose due to missed budgets and lack of fund raising?.?.?

Two D3 schools announced they were adding football this month.

Centenary LA starting in 2024
Some school back northeast starting next year supposedly

Any idea where Centenary plans on parking their football team???  The ASC seems full, the SAA is adding Southwestern, which will make us full.  Leaves both the ASC and SAA with 2 OOC games.  Or does the SCAC responsor football and pull teams out fo both the ASC and SAA???
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 19, 2021, 08:51:51 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 19, 2021, 07:54:32 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2021, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 18, 2021, 08:11:44 PM
I wonder who will be the next program or school we will lose due to missed budgets and lack of fund raising?.?.?

Two D3 schools announced they were adding football this month.

Centenary LA starting in 2024
Some school back northeast starting next year supposedly

Any idea where Centenary plans on parking their football team???  The ASC seems full, the SAA is adding Southwestern, which will make us full.  Leaves both the ASC and SAA with 2 OOC games.  Or does the SCAC responsor football and pull teams out fo both the ASC and SAA???

Centenary will probably replace Southwestern. The ASC schools will mostly be happy to only have to schedule 1 OOC game considering the dearth of D3 options around.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2021, 09:10:36 AM
Agree that the ASC is the most likely location for Centenary football.  It's also entirely possible Centenary returns to the ASC altogether, it would eliminate a lot of costly trips to Colorado Springs (replacing them with bus rides to Alpine, ugh). 

Don't know if the SCAC has any interest in restarting football.  First, they'd have to talk the four core SCAC football members into coming back, and Austin just signed a four-year commitment to play in the ASC.  Then, they'd have to talk (currently) two other schools into starting football in order to get a Pool A bid.  They tried this once before, it seems unlikely that they'd have any more success now than they did before dropping football.   Maybe St. Thomas, who wasn't in the conference at that point, might be interested but it seems like a long putt Hail Mary. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: justafan12 on November 19, 2021, 10:02:57 AM
Just a what if and thinking here but what if the SCAC gets TU, TLU and SW to come back to the SCAC and start football with them.  Add Centenary and that gives you 4.  Not sure if the legal drawbacks but lets say that AC is able to get out of their 4 year commitment to the ASC and you have 5 teams.  Just need one more.  Maybe St. Thomas starts up football but would any ASC teams leave to get a better chance at making the playoffs in football?  I know football is not the only consideration here but this is a football board.  Would ETBU leaved the ASC?  I don't see them competing in football with the likes of UMHB or HSU anytime soon. Maybe someone jumps from the SAA for a different life.

Just some random thoughts.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2021, 11:18:43 AM
Quote from: justafan12 on November 19, 2021, 10:02:57 AM
Just a what if and thinking here but what if the SCAC gets TU, TLU and SW to come back to the SCAC and start football with them.  Add Centenary and that gives you 4.  Not sure if the legal drawbacks but lets say that AC is able to get out of their 4 year commitment to the ASC and you have 5 teams.  Just need one more.  Maybe St. Thomas starts up football but would any ASC teams leave to get a better chance at making the playoffs in football?  I know football is not the only consideration here but this is a football board.  Would ETBU leaved the ASC?  I don't see them competing in football with the likes of UMHB or HSU anytime soon. Maybe someone jumps from the SAA for a different life.

Just some random thoughts.

Right now you need seven teams, not six, for a bid.  There was a proposal at one point recently to lower the number to six but either it hasn't been voted on yet or got dropped. 

Chance of an SAA school wanting to fly half the time to join the SCAC in football: zero.  That's a big reason they left in the first place, in addition Hendrix, the school closest to consider it was one of the most vocal schools about leaving due to differences in academic standards.   One flight a year is bad enough, 3-4 would be a big financial hit. 
Chance of an ASC school wanting to play in the SCAC:  doesn't seem large either, and the SCAC would likely say the same thing about some of the ASC schools if they did.

Maybe the SCAC will prove me wrong and the Centenary (LA) move is just the first domino in a series, but I don't see it.  But when the SAA split off and left five teams in the SCAC I didn't think the conference was long for this world, either. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: justafan12 on November 19, 2021, 12:40:02 PM
I looked at the SAA teams and Hendrix was the one I thought might be one interested.  I only factor I looked at was location.  I have no idea about the academic factors or other things that weigh into a decision.

Southwestern is leaving the ASC after next year and I have heard a rumor that there may be another one leaving.  Lots of rumors this time of year so only time will tell.  With UMHB and HSU dominating the football landscape I just thought schools might entertain the idea of moving on looking for possible greener pastures.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 19, 2021, 01:39:23 PM
Because of the number of schools and conferences, every year there are multiple moves between conferences.  I don't expect this year to be any different.  No telling what kind of movement we may see by the time Centenary starts playing.  The worst part about it is it could take the Pool C number down to 4. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 19, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
For any who are interested, our preview of tomorrow's first-round playoff contest in Belton between UMHB and Trinity is up...I expect a good showing from the Trinity defense. Really like what I've seen on film from them this season. With the play of both defenses, don't be surprised if we see a lower-scoring game in this one...

https://truetothecru.com/2021/11/19/playoff-preview-no-2-umhb-vs-no-16-trinity/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 20, 2021, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on November 19, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
For any who are interested, our preview of tomorrow's first-round playoff contest in Belton between UMHB and Trinity is up...I expect a good showing from the Trinity defense. Really like what I've seen on film from them this season. With the play of both defenses, don't be surprised if we see a lower-scoring game in this one...

https://truetothecru.com/2021/11/19/playoff-preview-no-2-umhb-vs-no-16-trinity/

You are spot on at halftime. 3-3.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2021, 03:32:26 PM
Congrats to TUTX. Great game and I am happy for your program.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 20, 2021, 03:36:58 PM
Obviously disappointed but proud of my Tigers. Score won't fully show it but they went toe to toe with UMHB the entire game and showed that their defensive numbers all year weren't a fluke. Wish the offense had been able to get anything going but the lack of a run game just proved too big of a hurdle. Hopefully BSC can play UMHB as close as the Tigers did today. Congrats to the Crusaders and now I hope they run the table.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2021, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 20, 2021, 03:36:58 PM
Obviously disappointed but proud of my Tigers. Score won't fully show it but they went toe to toe with UMHB the entire game and showed that their defensive numbers all year weren't a fluke. Wish the offense had been able to get anything going but the lack of a run game just proved too big of a hurdle. Hopefully BSC can play UMHB as close as the Tigers did today. Congrats to the Crusaders and now I hope they run the table.
Jerheme Urban has really brought football back to Trinity!  I am very excited for your program.  Look at the first round score board. Everyone in the country will know that this was a great matchup of Top 25 Top 16 teams. Let's see how strong UMHB really is. Right now, they have only shown me Top 16 calibre.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 20, 2021, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2021, 03:41:14 PM
Let's see how strong UMHB really is. Right now, they have only shown me Top 16 calibre.

UMHB fans might point you to the game against Hardin Simmons. I agree though - have to wait and see how UMHB does against the other out of conference opponents in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2021, 03:56:39 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 20, 2021, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2021, 03:41:14 PM
Let's see how strong UMHB really is. Right now, they have only shown me Top 16 calibre.

UMHB fans might point you to the game against Hardin Simmons. I agree though - have to wait and see how UMHB does against the other out of conference opponents in the coming weeks.
Yes, but I also will say that the top tier teams at this level have a FG kicker who is "automatic" in the red zone, basically a 40-yd attempt or closer. If UMHB had made all 4 "makeable" FG's, then this would have been a different game.

UMHB made from 42 and 33 and missed from 42 at the end of the 1st half and missed from 41 with the wind.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2021, 04:01:07 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 20, 2021, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2021, 03:41:14 PM
Let's see how strong UMHB really is. Right now, they have only shown me Top 16 calibre.

UMHB fans might point you to the game against Hardin Simmons. I agree though - have to wait and see how UMHB does against the other out of conference opponents in the coming weeks.
Yes, but I also will say that the top tier teams at this level have a FG kicker who is "automatic" in the red zone, basically a 40-yd attempt or closer. If UMHB had made all 4 "makeable" FG's, then this would have been a different game.

UMHB made from 42 and 33 and missed from 42 at the end of the 1st half and missed from 41 with the wind.

This was a 1-possession game for 58+ minutes.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on November 20, 2021, 05:08:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2021, 04:01:07 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 20, 2021, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2021, 03:41:14 PM
Let's see how strong UMHB really is. Right now, they have only shown me Top 16 calibre.

UMHB fans might point you to the game against Hardin Simmons. I agree though - have to wait and see how UMHB does against the other out of conference opponents in the coming weeks.
Yes, but I also will say that the top tier teams at this level have a FG kicker who is "automatic" in the red zone, basically a 40-yd attempt or closer. If UMHB had made all 4 "makeable" FG's, then this would have been a different game.

UMHB made from 42 and 33 and missed from 42 at the end of the 1st half and missed from 41 with the wind.

This was a 1-possession game for 58+ minutes.

Honestly, I'm surprised Avila made the first one. 42 yards into a 15-20 mph headwind isn't anywhere near automatic at the diii level. As to needing a good kicker, Avila is the same kicker we had in 18. Pretty sure he even missed a fg in the Stagg bowl. Pretty sure we missed a chip shot in the 2016 Stagg bowl as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2021, 05:25:56 PM
D1 teams have a hard time finding good kickers, by the time you get to D3 the pickings are slim.

For a team that hadn't sniffed the playoffs in a decade to hold a perennial championship contender to one TD and a couple of FGs on the road is a pretty good performance. Now they have a much better idea of what it takes to compete at this level, but Trinity will have to replace a lot of the guys that performed well today.  It'll be interesting to see what BSC, with a stronger rushing attack (but lesser passing), does in Belton next week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 20, 2021, 06:52:31 PM
Post game comments from Coach Urban, Tucker Horn, and Caleb Harmel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9BksOdWYjY
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 20, 2021, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2021, 05:25:56 PM
For a team that hadn't sniffed the playoffs in a decade to hold a perennial championship contender to one TD and a couple of FGs on the road is a pretty good performance. Now they have a much better idea of what it takes to compete at this level, but Trinity will have to replace a lot of the guys that performed well today.  It'll be interesting to see what BSC, with a stronger rushing attack (but lesser passing), does in Belton next week.

It was very windy today. Results showed in UMHBs kicking game and TUs passing attack. UMHB was dominate up front and made TU one dimensional. I feel if they connect for the passing TD instead of the FG they may have held on....that's how good TUs D played.

UMHB got their go ahead FG on a couple busted plays with TU defenders falling down into each other. (Option and long pass that drive). Take away the "fluke perfectly schemed body on body,
4&1 redo, rushing TD"they may have gone into OT. Anyways if "ifs and buts" we would be victorious but we weren't.

All in all a very clean game by both teams. Happy how they both represented Texas in their respective conferences. I'd like to have seen this game in December....not 1st round. Thanks NCAA.

I think Trinity will be in a good place for the next few years. UMHB will need to replace 6 offensive Starters and 8 defensive starters on each side of the ball. However, they're always deep and reload - not rebuild.  Respectively Trinity loses 3 on offense and 4 on defense....lots of depth too.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/cruathletics.com/documents/2021/11/18/UMHB_FB_GAME_NOTES_NOV_20.pdf
I'm unsure how many HSU and BSC will have return next season. Haven't looked that deep yet. Then again who knows with the eligibility rules with Covid season. Berry will be back. Centre will be back. Huntingdon - back. Hendrix - back.  The ASC has some young teams in HP and Belhaven. Looking forward to seeing next week's  match up. The south has some good teams. It's just how it always has been though. In one-two rounds only one team is left to represent the entire region.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2021, 12:36:45 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2021, 05:25:56 PM
D1 teams have a hard time finding good kickers, by the time you get to D3 the pickings are slim.

For a team that hadn't sniffed the playoffs in a decade to hold a perennial championship contender to one TD and a couple of FGs on the road is a pretty good performance. Now they have a much better idea of what it takes to compete at this level, but Trinity will have to replace a lot of the guys that performed well today.  It'll be interesting to see what BSC, with a stronger rushing attack (but lesser passing), does in Belton next week.
Auburn's PK, Anders Carlson, was injured last week. His replacement tonight shanked a 25 yard attempt in Auburn's 21-17 loss at South Carolina. Touche'
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2021, 01:19:46 AM
Or you get an All-American soccer player, who has not played collegiate football,  to suit up for the biggest game of the year, only to have him kick the game winning FG as time expires against your arch rival...

https://www.d3football.com/seasons/2021/contrib/202111130l9o9f

Storybook!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 21, 2021, 09:34:34 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2021, 12:36:45 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2021, 05:25:56 PM
D1 teams have a hard time finding good kickers, by the time you get to D3 the pickings are slim.

For a team that hadn't sniffed the playoffs in a decade to hold a perennial championship contender to one TD and a couple of FGs on the road is a pretty good performance. Now they have a much better idea of what it takes to compete at this level, but Trinity will have to replace a lot of the guys that performed well today.  It'll be interesting to see what BSC, with a stronger rushing attack (but lesser passing), does in Belton next week.
Auburn's PK, Anders Carlson, was injured last week. His replacement tonight shanked a 25 yard attempt in Auburn's 21-17 loss at South Carolina. Touche'
Then there's going for it on 4th down on your own 35 late in the first half. That's the kind of crap that will get you fired quick.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 21, 2021, 11:02:29 AM
Holy cow! Hopefully I got that last post deleted before too many saw it. I was fighting to stay awake by the end of that game and did some severe mis-remembering this morning. Yikes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2021, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on November 21, 2021, 11:02:29 AM
Holy cow! Hopefully I got that last post deleted before too many saw it. I was fighting to stay awake by the end of that game and did some severe mis-remembering this morning. Yikes.
The Iron Bowl may be very very very ugly!  I will take Auburn and 42.5 points.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Toby Taff on November 21, 2021, 05:23:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2021, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on November 21, 2021, 11:02:29 AM
Holy cow! Hopefully I got that last post deleted before too many saw it. I was fighting to stay awake by the end of that game and did some severe mis-remembering this morning. Yikes.
The Iron Bowl may be very very very ugly!  I will take Auburn and 42.5 points.
WAR EAGLE!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 21, 2021, 09:10:54 PM
If any BSC fans plan to make the trip to Belton, please let me know. Plenty of options for good food!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2021, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 21, 2021, 09:10:54 PM
If any BSC fans plan to make the trip to Belton, please let me know. Plenty of options for good food!
Amen! Lots of local cuisine!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2021, 11:27:19 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 21, 2021, 09:10:54 PM
If any BSC fans plan to make the trip to Belton, please let me know. Plenty of options for good food!

If you are thinking about it, the Austin airport's a little more than an hour away from UMHB, Waco (AA only) is an hour away, DFW is about 2 1/2 hours.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on November 22, 2021, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2021, 11:27:19 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 21, 2021, 09:10:54 PM
If any BSC fans plan to make the trip to Belton, please let me know. Plenty of options for good food!

If you are thinking about it, the Austin airport's a little more than an hour away from UMHB, Waco (AA only) is an hour away, DFW is about 2 1/2 hours.

Don't forget GRK in Killeen only is only 30 minutes away! 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2021, 11:40:17 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on November 22, 2021, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2021, 11:27:19 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 21, 2021, 09:10:54 PM
If any BSC fans plan to make the trip to Belton, please let me know. Plenty of options for good food!

If you are thinking about it, the Austin airport's a little more than an hour away from UMHB, Waco (AA only) is an hour away, DFW is about 2 1/2 hours.

Don't forget GRK in Killeen only is only 30 minutes away! 

I'll be darned - and both United and American fly in there.   Thanks!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 23, 2021, 01:03:22 PM
Unfortunately I won't be making this game.  Was just a bit out of range for me.  I would have really enjoyed coming and seeing the campus and stadium of this place though.  I will be watching online though.  Hoping for a good game and a BSC victory.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on November 23, 2021, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 23, 2021, 01:03:22 PM
Unfortunately I won't be making this game.  Was just a bit out of range for me.  I would have really enjoyed coming and seeing the campus and stadium of this place though.  I will be watching online though.  Hoping for a good game and a BSC victory.

Any guess on how many BSC fans will be making the trip. I was impressed by the passion and number of the Trinity fans that came, of course I know it is a much shorter trip though.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: dmhinv on November 23, 2021, 03:48:49 PM
Some tardy post game thoughts.  The Cru puts on a great home game, was windy but what a fun atmosphere.  UMHB was as advertised and TU couldn't move the ball when needed.  Great game and showing by both sides.  Glad my prediction was way off.  Best of luck to UMHB and BSC next week.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 23, 2021, 06:30:56 PM
SAA All-Conference teams (https://saa-sports.com/news/2021/11/23/trinitys-horn-harmel-stewart-and-urban-berrys-cade-highlight-all-saa-football-teams.aspx) announced today.

Offensive POTY:  Tucker Horn, QB, Trinity
Defensive POTY:  Caleb Harmel, LB, Trinity
Special Teams POTY:  Chris Stewart, PR/KR, Trinity
Newcomer of the Year: Brandon Cole, RB, Berry
Coach of the Year:  Jerheme Urban, Trinity

First team players by school:
Trinity 12 (5 off/7 def)
Birmingham-Southern 6 (2 off/4 def)
Berry 4 (3 off/1 def)
Centre 3 (2 off/1 def)
Millsaps 1 (1 off/0 def)

Second team players by school
Birmingham-Southern 10 (5 off/5 def)
Berry 6 (2 off/4 def)
Trinity 5 (3 off/2 def)
Centre 3 (2 off/1 def)
Hendrix 2 (1 off/1 def)
Rhodes 1 (0 off/1 def)
there was a tie for the last LB spot
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 23, 2021, 09:53:12 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/TrinityUTigers/status/1463288799581114368

Trinity's QB Tucker Horn is up for this year's Gagliardi Trophy
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 24, 2021, 09:22:57 AM
From 1-9 to 9-1 within five seasons, Birmingham-Southern is preparing for a second-round playoff matchup at UMHB on Saturday. We spoke with BSC head coach Tony Joe White about the unprecedented success at BSC this year, the Panthers' phenomenal offensive attack, and a few of the team's key leaders. Excited for Saturday's game in Belton.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/11/24/from-1-9-to-9-1-within-five-seasons-birmingham-southern-preparing-for-second-round-matchup-at-umhb/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 24, 2021, 06:46:38 PM
Great write up, appreciate the respect.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 24, 2021, 06:59:59 PM
The BSC men's basketball team happens to be in San Antonio, about 2-2.5 hours from Belton, this week for a Fri-Sat tournament at Trinity.  What a shame the timing won't work out for them to attend or even watch the game with UMHB (they play Southwestern at 2pm).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 24, 2021, 08:29:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 24, 2021, 06:59:59 PM
The BSC men's basketball team happens to be in San Antonio, about 2-2.5 hours from Belton, this week for a Fri-Sat tournament at Trinity.  What a shame the timing won't work out for them to attend or even watch the game with UMHB (they play Southwestern at 2pm).

They need to request the game be pushed back. UMHB has done that with their basketball game, though that could be for parking and workers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 26, 2021, 12:09:34 AM
This week's game notes are up.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/cruathletics.com/documents/2021/11/22/GAME_NOTES_11_27.pdf (https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/cruathletics.com/documents/2021/11/22/GAME_NOTES_11_27.pdf)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 27, 2021, 08:21:47 AM
Preview of UMHB vs BSC today is up on the website:
https://truetothecru.com/2021/11/26/playoff-preview-no-19-birmingham-southern-at-no-2-umhb/

Should be a great second-round matchup. It will be interesting to see if the rain in Belton plays a role in deciding the outcome.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 27, 2021, 09:40:12 AM
Something not mentioned, BSC has been very successful this season in forcing mistakes and turnovers and then capitalizing on those turnovers.  With the weather not being great, may help BSC force something of those needed turnovers.  Either way I'm expecting a good game. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2021, 02:27:54 PM
BSC hanging in there defensively - several good defensive series in the second quarter forcing punts -but have got to get something going offensively (easier said than done).  The UMHB front four is wreaking havoc - 3 sacks and lots of QB hurries.  That interception deep in BSC territory hurt a lot.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2021, 04:13:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2021, 02:27:54 PM
BSC hanging in there defensively - several good defensive series in the second quarter forcing punts -but have got to get something going offensively (easier said than done).  The UMHB front four is wreaking havoc - 3 sacks and lots of QB hurries.  That interception deep in BSC territory hurt a lot.

Narrator:  but they would do none of these things as the defense couldn't stop the Cru in the second half and the offense never got rolling.   BSC didn't penetrate the red zone all day.

On to next season with thanks to all the seniors and super seniors who gave it their all for all the SAA teams for the duration of their college careers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on November 28, 2021, 10:34:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2021, 04:13:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2021, 02:27:54 PM
BSC hanging in there defensively - several good defensive series in the second quarter forcing punts -but have got to get something going offensively (easier said than done).  The UMHB front four is wreaking havoc - 3 sacks and lots of QB hurries.  That interception deep in BSC territory hurt a lot.

Narrator:  but they would do none of these things as the defense couldn't stop the Cru in the second half and the offense never got rolling.   BSC didn't penetrate the red zone all day.

On to next season with thanks to all the seniors and super seniors who gave it their all for all the SAA teams for the duration of their college careers.

It was a strong showing for BSC. I hope everyone made it home safely. Blessings on the off season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 01, 2021, 12:00:26 PM
Congratulations to Trinity DC Paul Michalak who today was named D3 Assistant Coach of the Year (https://www.afca.com/afca-announces-2021-assistant-coach-of-the-year-award-winners/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=WeAreAFCA&utm_content=AFCA%20Announces%202021%20Assistant%20Coach%20of%20the%20Year%20Award%20Winners) by AFCA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on December 04, 2021, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 01, 2021, 12:00:26 PM
Congratulations to Trinity DC Paul Michalak who today was named D3 Assistant Coach of the Year (https://www.afca.com/afca-announces-2021-assistant-coach-of-the-year-award-winners/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=WeAreAFCA&utm_content=AFCA%20Announces%202021%20Assistant%20Coach%20of%20the%20Year%20Award%20Winners) by AFCA.

Outstanding!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on December 06, 2021, 04:01:50 PM
Would be cool to see two southern conferences make a bowl series agreement for those that miss the tourney like some of the others up north. SAA-USA South might offer the best hope at keeping travel distances shorter? More games between the top teams in ASC, ODAC, SAA, and USA South would definitely be welcome in my book, but I know it might be a tough sell to the chancellors and presidents of the SAA...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 06, 2021, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: albatross on December 06, 2021, 04:01:50 PM
Would be cool to see two southern conferences make a bowl series agreement for those that miss the tourney like some of the others up north. SAA-USA South might offer the best hope at keeping travel distances shorter? More games between the top teams in ASC, ODAC, SAA, and USA South would definitely be welcome in my book, but I know it might be a tough sell to the chancellors and presidents of the SAA...

It would be fun, for fans and players, but you'd need a sponsor to pay for travel and stuff.  If you could find a media partner to get the games over the air, it would help sell it to the chancellors and presidents because it would be a great commercial for the schools. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2021, 07:04:49 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 01, 2021, 12:00:26 PM
Congratulations to Trinity DC Paul Michalak who today was named D3 Assistant Coach of the Year (https://www.afca.com/afca-announces-2021-assistant-coach-of-the-year-award-winners/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=WeAreAFCA&utm_content=AFCA%20Announces%202021%20Assistant%20Coach%20of%20the%20Year%20Award%20Winners) by AFCA.

And congratulations also to Trinity HC Jerheme Urban, named AFCA Coach of the Year for Region 3 (https://www.afca.com/matt-entz-and-steve-ryan-headline-the-2021-afca-fcs-division-iii-and-naia-regional-coach-of-the-year-winners/).   The complete list of Division III awardees. from which the national CoTY will be announced on January 10th:

Region 1: Mike Toop, U.S. Merchant Marine Academy
Region 2: Rich Lackner, Carnegie Mellon University
Region 3: Jerheme Urban, Trinity University (Tex.)
Region 4: Dustin Beurer, Albion College
Region 5: Jeff McMartin, Central College
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 08, 2021, 12:32:13 PM
The D3football.com All-Region teams (https://d3football.com/awards/all-region/2021/index) have been announced and the SAA placed a number of representatives on the three Region 3 teams (https://d3football.com/awards/all-region/2021/2021-d3football-all-region-3):

Coach of the Year:  Jerheme Urban, Trinity (Texas)

First Team Offense
Pos.PlayerSchoolYr.Hometown
QBTucker HornTrinity (Texas)Jr.Graham, Texas
RBChris ShuffordBirmingham-SouthernSr.McKenzie, Ala.
GWyatt BushTrinity (Texas)Jr.Hempstead, Texas
TJohn HughesTrinity (Texas)So.Cypress, Texas
First Team Defense
Pos.PlayerSchoolYr.Hometown
DTOliver HunterCentreSr.Franklin, Tenn.
DTMatthew WillisTrinity (Texas)Sr.Granbury, Texas
LBCaleb HarmelTrinity (Texas)Jr.Burton, Texas
LBCourt ColeyBirmingham-SouthernSr.Gadsden, Ala.
SJeremy IrvingTrinity (Texas)Sr.Dallas, Texas
           
Second Team Offense
Pos.PlayerSchoolYr.Hometown
TZach ReinersCentreSo.Mount Washington, Ky.
RETChris StewartTrinity (Texas)Sr.The Woodlands, Texas
                           
Second Team Defense   
Pos.PlayerSchoolYr.Hometown
DTCampbell MillerTrinity (Texas)Sr.Tyler, Texas
LBMichael JewettTrinity (Texas)Sr.Houston, Texas
CBJordan WilsonBerrySr.Dallas, Ga.
                        
Third Team Offense        
Pos.PlayerSchoolYr.Hometown
QBTrentin DupperCentreJr.Decatur, Ala.
WRJordan GunterCentreSr.Louisville, Ky.
WRChris ChildressHendrixSr.Gravette, Ark.
TBrandon ArmstrongBirmingham-SouthernJr.Clarksville, Tenn.
                    
Third Team Defense           
(none)

Congratulations to all!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on December 08, 2021, 03:21:43 PM
Really cool to see this. Well-deserved by all.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 08, 2021, 12:32:13 PM
The D3football.com All-Region teams (https://d3football.com/awards/all-region/2021/index) have been announced and the SAA placed a number of representatives on the three Region 3 teams (https://d3football.com/awards/all-region/2021/2021-d3football-all-region-3):

Congratulations to all!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on December 17, 2021, 08:55:00 PM
TU defense was stellar this year.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 17, 2021, 09:19:12 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on December 17, 2021, 08:55:00 PM
TU defense was stellar this year.  Just sayin'.

Seeing what they did to the Cru offense, I have to agree.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on December 17, 2021, 09:22:59 PM
Survived BSC.  Barely...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on December 18, 2021, 01:36:17 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on December 17, 2021, 09:22:59 PM
Survived BSC.  Barely...

BSC is a goooood team. They did amazing this season. Pretty stacked in all areas, just didn't match up well against UMHB. Elements may have been a factor, but I think lack of a stout passing game made them 1 dimensional against a team that can really stuff the run against anyone.

I think the BSC vs TU game is a better showing of the caliber the panthers displayed this year. I also think they matched up better against TU and know them a little better having played each year. Similar to how HSU and UMHB are every time they play. BSCs QB was a threat when he had the ball in his hands. UMHB didn't zone read with QB  like BSC did and just ran at Trinity with the RBs. I think That helped BSC in the Trinity game.

Trinity matched up better against UMHB than BSC did. Trinity was very balanced all season and UMHB had to honor the run and pass, even though Trinity didn't run the ball well that game. But Heck, if couple fumbles and possible forward pitch weren't reversed, it may have been 3-3 and gone into OT.

Would have been entertaining to see Trinity play either of those two games in San Antonio this past year.

Really good showing for R3 this year!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on December 19, 2021, 04:31:56 PM
almost looks like Trinity-UMHB looked like a semifinal or championship game... and that BSC and HSU should have been in...guess we can leave the dreaming for another day!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on December 19, 2021, 11:40:50 PM
Quote from: albatross on December 19, 2021, 04:31:56 PM
almost looks like Trinity-UMHB looked like a semifinal or championship game... and that BSC and HSU should have been in...guess we can leave the dreaming for another day!

Didn't realize HSU had a W over an NAIA team that actually hurt their scheduling. However, I wonder if HSU had lost to UMHB in their last game, as opposed to mid season, if they would have been higher in their regional rankings or maybe been a part of the conversation.

All of the pool C teams did well it seems, however I'd like to have seen HSU, now after the fact, get in over an 8-2 Bethal. I feel Bethal got a lot of praise for the last second loss to STJ. However they lost twice To the same team. Looking at that quadrant, hurt or not, makes me ponder if STJ could have played well enough to beat the other 3 R3 teams this year. Also, Linfield probably could have won any of the other 3 quadrants.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on December 20, 2021, 11:44:34 AM
Final rankings

https://www.d3football.com/top25/2021/final
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on December 20, 2021, 12:15:10 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on December 20, 2021, 11:44:34 AM
Final rankings

https://www.d3football.com/top25/2021/final

Notable Southern-ish Team Finishes:
10. Hardin-Simmons (no change)
12. Trinity (up from 16)
18. Birmingham Southern (up from 19)
23. Randolph-Macon (down from 21)
RV. Huntingdon and Washington & Lee

Notable SAA Non-Conference Opponent Finishes (not mentioned above)
3. UW-Whitewater (no change, beat Berry 39-7)
20. UW-River Falls (up from 22, beat Hendrix 49-33)

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on December 20, 2021, 12:29:06 PM
See ya guys this September.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 21, 2021, 08:45:22 AM
I'm ready for spring practices.  Let's get this thing going!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 21, 2021, 04:26:11 PM
Dave Campbell (who passed away earlier this month, RIP) Texas Football is a statewide institution that has for decades covered high school and college football in the state of Texas.  They lump D1 FCS/D2/D3/NAIA into a "small college" category and name an annual all-small college team.  As you might expect this makes it pretty hard for D3 players to be recognized, but there were a few this year from the SAA, all from Trinity.

Jerheme Urban, Coach of the Year
Wyatt Bush, OL
Jeremy Irving, DB

Other Texas D3 honorees:
Jefferson Fritz, Defensive Player of the Year, UMHB
Jake Parker, WR, Howard Payne
Boomer Warren, OL, Hardin-Simmons
Jeffery Sims Jr., OL, UMHB
KJ Miller, PR, UMHB

The entire team can be found here:  https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2021/12/21/dctf-all-small-college-team
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on December 21, 2021, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 21, 2021, 04:26:11 PM
Dave Campbell (who passed away earlier this month, RIP) Texas Football is a statewide institution that has for decades covered high school and college football in the state of Texas.  They lump D1 FCS/D2/D3/NAIA into a "small college" category and name an annual all-small college team.  As you might expect this makes it pretty hard for D3 players to be recognized, but there were a few this year from the SAA, all from Trinity.

Jerheme Urban, Coach of the Year
Wyatt Bush, OL
Jeremy Irving, DB

Other Texas D3 honorees:
Jefferson Fritz, Defensive Player of the Year, UMHB
Jake Parker, WR, Howard Payne
Boomer Warren, OL, Hardin-Simmons
Jeffery Sims Jr., OL, UMHB
KJ Miller, PR, UMHB

The entire team can be found here:  https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2021/12/21/dctf-all-small-college-team

Thanks, Ron!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on December 21, 2021, 07:29:03 PM
Is the TU Black Flag in a storeroom somewhere?

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 22, 2021, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on December 21, 2021, 07:29:03 PM
Is the TU Black Flag in a storeroom somewhere?

Pretty sure the flag has been buried or burned and won't be back.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on December 22, 2021, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 22, 2021, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on December 21, 2021, 07:29:03 PM
Is the TU Black Flag in a storeroom somewhere?

Pretty sure the flag has been buried or burned and won't be back.

In the ATN piece I did on Trinity this fall (https://d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2021/trinity-defense-tigers-catbird-seat), Coach Urban did say it was important for this group to kind of create their own identity apart from the Black Flag. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 22, 2021, 04:21:19 PM
Alright, got to know.  What's the history of the black flag???
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on December 22, 2021, 05:46:09 PM

Yeah,
Me too ^^^^^^ !
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on December 22, 2021, 06:49:37 PM
I'll defer to Ron on the lore 'o the flag!

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 24, 2021, 10:52:59 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on December 22, 2021, 06:49:37 PM
I'll defer to Ron on the lore 'o the flag!

This one is lost in the fog of memory.  My vague recollection was that it was coined during the 90s to give the D something to hang their hat on when the crazy good offense was getting all the headlines.  There was a pretty underwhelming flag (like 2'x3' if that) that one of the players brought out when they came across the field, but I don't know if it was an honor giving to a selected defender.

According to this D3football story from 2011 (https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2011/not-the-black-flag) use of the Black Flag was discontinued in the early-mid 00s.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 25, 2021, 10:00:34 PM
Hope everyone had a good Christmas!!! 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on December 26, 2021, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 25, 2021, 10:00:34 PM
Hope everyone had a good Christmas!!!

And to you as well!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 27, 2021, 05:34:44 PM
Houston practiced at BSC while in Birmingham for their bowl game. 

https://twitter.com/uhcougarfb/status/1474851458856239105?s=21

You can't see much, but it is our home.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 27, 2021, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 27, 2021, 05:34:44 PM
Houston practiced at BSC while in Birmingham for their bowl game. 

https://twitter.com/uhcougarfb/status/1474851458856239105?s=21

You can't see much, but it is our home.

Cool!  Oregon's been at Trinity prepping for the Alamo Bowl.

https://twitter.com/jerhemeurban83/status/1474925946138464258?s=21
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 28, 2021, 08:55:04 AM
It would be nice if these rich FBS programs left some upgrade gifts for us D3 programs that are hosting them. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on December 28, 2021, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 28, 2021, 08:55:04 AM
It would be nice if these rich FBS programs left some upgrade gifts for us D3 programs that are hosting them.

I am always curious in situations like that, do they pay something and if so how much.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 28, 2021, 10:25:23 PM
Quote from: crufootball on December 28, 2021, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 28, 2021, 08:55:04 AM
It would be nice if these rich FBS programs left some upgrade gifts for us D3 programs that are hosting them.

I am always curious in situations like that, do they pay something and if so how much.

I know when Atlanta hosted the Olympics, some soccer games were played in Birmingham.  The athletes were housed at BSC, BSC used that money to remodel the dorms the athletes stayed in.  So I'm that case, BSC obviously got paid something for that.  BSC will also be hosting a few events on campus for the World Games this summer in Birmingham.  Obviously Houston stayed at a hotel in downtown, not sure if we will be housing any athletes during the World Games.  Anything paid to BSC would have been by the bowl game, not Houston themselves, but honestly, I would have been happy with a few mentions during the bowl game and an on air commercial for the school.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on December 29, 2021, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: crufootball on December 28, 2021, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 28, 2021, 08:55:04 AM
It would be nice if these rich FBS programs left some upgrade gifts for us D3 programs that are hosting them.

I am always curious in situations like that, do they pay something and if so how much.

I think usually they pay the university for using the facilities. How the university disperses the funds remains unclear. Sometimes it goes to the athletic department (if the school puts it back into the program), then maybe it's split amongst different sports budgets, who knows.... I think each case may be different depending on how the school values athletics.

The Bowl games I remember usually had about a week worth of festivities. The guest school using the facility was only there 3-4 practices at most. But if you think about it, with grounds crew/maintenance, equipment managers, laundry, training staff and medical team, media access etc, there's a lot that goes into the logistics of using someone's facility for that week. I don't think it's a huge check that the bowl committee (sponsor) writes, but any money received could certainly be used for smaller schools with limited budgets.

Kind of similar to smaller D1 programs scheduling a game against the power 5 programs. They get paid for those games and the money helps fund their budgets.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on January 08, 2022, 10:48:41 AM
Ready for spring practice to get here so I can see what we have coming in the fall.  Anyone know their OOC schedule for 2022??? 

BSC is still trying to nail down our schedule as LaGrange has decided they were done with our long time series. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2022, 01:24:40 PM
With the NCAA Division III membership voting to lower the number of schools in a conference needed to get an AQ in a sport from 7 to 6 this weekend, I wonder if the SAA will decided they have enough members playing football to tell the affiliates "thanks for your help but you're no longer needed" - saving them each an annual trip to Texas.  One of the panelists on Dave McHugh's special "D-III at a Crossroads" broadcast (https://d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/ncaa_convention) was Dr. Angel Mason, Director of Athletics for Berry College (and Chair of the Division III Financial Aid and Technology Committees) and some of her comments could be interpreted along those lines.  Perhaps only by paranoid people like me who are fans of schools in conferences that don't sponsor football, but nonetheless the possibility exists.  With 7 SAA members playing football there is now a cushion should a school leave the conference or drop football.

Another possibility could be the SCAC restarting football, if it could convince St. Thomas to start a program (wouldn't take much IMO) as well as another school.  That effort didn't bear fruit the first time it was tried, but with schools battling for enrollment in the pandemic era you might find more consideration this time around.  And while they are perfectly happy and there's no indication they have any interest in the idea, getting Hardin-Simmons (or another ASC football playing school, or even Hendrix) to move to the SCAC certainly wouldn't hurt.  That path is also well-trodden and it's unlikely anyone in the ASC wants to exchange bus rides to Sul Ross for plane trips to Colorado College (in other sports), and Hendrix was the most vocal about splitting off from the SCAC to the SAA for academic reasons back in the day. 

One thing is almost very certain - we will see some shakeup in Division III football conferences before too long.  And the pitiful number of Pool C bids will go down as a result, meaning more deserving schools like Hardin-Simmons won't have a way to reach the playoffs they so richly deserve.

EDIT: I *totally* forgot about Centenary starting football in 2024 (https://www.d3football.com/notables/2021/11/d3-football-returning-to-louisiana).   The phone lines from Atlanta (still SCAC HQ) to Houston are on fire, no doubt.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Baldini on January 22, 2022, 01:36:24 PM
The downside of 6 team conferences is rounding up 5 non-conference games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2022, 02:31:08 PM
Certainly true, but there may be other smaller conferences to cross-schedule with.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on January 23, 2022, 01:39:57 PM
If that vote passes, conferences could look a lot different in 2-3 years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on January 23, 2022, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2022, 01:24:40 PM

One thing is almost very certain - we will see some shakeup in Division III football conferences before too long.  And the pitiful number of Pool C bids will go down as a result, meaning more deserving schools like Hardin-Simmons won't have a way to reach the playoffs they so richly deserve.


Don't like this at all. I generally like the idea of an AQ for every conference winner because it sets an objective standard and path for getting into the playoffs (win and you're in) rather than a panel of D3 experts picking the top 32 teams each year. But, we all know that the AQ method does not result in the best 32 teams in the country playing each fall in the playoffs. Each year there is a conference winner (likely multiple) that is probably not one of the best 32 teams in the country.

I know this is D3 and the lack of money results in us never getting things the way they should be (see stupid playoff pairings just to save money). But, lowering the requirement to 6 teams for an AQ is going to further diminish the only mechanism available to ensure as many of the actual top-32 teams get into the playoffs as possible. Maybe our concern is overblown and we won't see a quick addition of 1-2 conferences, but the assumption is that we will likely be down to as few as 3 at-large bids in the next couple of years.

Pretty frustrating but I guess its just another thing we will have to deal with as D3 fans.



Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2022, 08:13:44 PM
I'm going to predict that there will be ZERO at large bids within 5-7 years.

That was an absolutely STUPID vote by the reps.  The minimum size for an AQ should have gone UP to 8, not down to 6.  Did someone spike their morning coffee? ::)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2022, 08:31:38 PM
There are definitely sports which need this and can benefit from it.

Football needs to uncouple its AQ requirements from the main formula.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2022, 10:14:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2022, 08:13:44 PM
I'm going to predict that there will be ZERO at large bids within 5-7 years.

That was an absolutely STUPID vote by the reps.  The minimum size for an AQ should have gone UP to 8, not down to 6.  Did someone spike their morning coffee? ::)

I will take this quote as a mind game.

SCAC - the 3 affiliates in the ASC  (AC, SW, TLU) and Trinity in the SAA plus Centenary in 2024 convince St Thomas (Houston) to add football in 2024. One bid; 4 Pool C remain.
MAC - splits into Freedom and Commonwealth; one new bid; 3 Pool C remain.

Now is when it gets tougher.

NESCAC?

USA South -In the present "East"/ "West" configuration these teams play football, if the conference splits in two.

East - Averett - going to the ODAC; Greensboro; Methodist; NC Wesleyan; Southern Virginia. The East would need two from Pfeffer, Mary Baldwin, William Peace
West - Belhaven - coming from the ASC; Brevard; Huntingdon, LaGrange; Maryville. The West would need one from Berea, Covenant, Piedmont.

With 3 new schools coming through provisional, Asbury, Bob Jones and Warren Wilson, whom do they join and do they add football?

Which conferences add football as a new sport?  I could only speculate.



Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on January 23, 2022, 10:39:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2022, 08:13:44 PM
I'm going to predict that there will be ZERO at large bids within 5-7 years.

That was an absolutely STUPID vote by the reps.  The minimum size for an AQ should have gone UP to 8, not down to 6.  Did someone spike their morning coffee? ::)

Agree with this completely.  Shrinking the number of AQ's is what needs to happen. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2022, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2022, 08:13:44 PM
I'm going to predict that there will be ZERO at large bids within 5-7 years.

That was an absolutely STUPID vote by the reps.  The minimum size for an AQ should have gone UP to 8, not down to 6.  Did someone spike their morning coffee? ::)

The stupid thing is having a one-size-fits-all approach for determining AQs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 24, 2022, 12:04:22 PM
Here's the thing, there are 28 D3 football conferences right now. Of those, maybe 4 or 5 will have 2 teams that are Top 10 worthy teams in 2 of 3 years. The ASC, CCIW, WIAC, and MIAC consistently have a case lately. On an irregular basis, but at least yearly, one of maybe 6 or so other conferences can claim two semi-final worthy teams. Out of 28 conferences, 4-10 conferences should be strongly in favor of having more Pool C bids. That leaves 20 or so conferences that realize almost no upside to putting their AQ in jeopardy. Where do the votes come from to benefit those 4-8 conferences?

It just makes no sense. Now, I think dropping to 6 for an AQ was a bad idea, but I think you will have a real hard time telling the majority of conferences that they need to put their AQ at risk to benefit a select few power conferences having a second team in the tournament. It's a big thumbs down for the majority of DIII...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2022, 12:36:38 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 24, 2022, 12:04:22 PM
Here's the thing, there are 28 D3 football conferences right now. Of those, maybe 4 or 5 will have 2 teams that are Top 10 worthy teams in 2 of 3 years. The ASC, CCIW, WIAC, and MIAC consistently have a case lately. On an irregular basis, but at least yearly, one of maybe 6 or so other conferences can claim two semi-final worthy teams. Out of 28 conferences, 4-10 conferences should be strongly in favor of having more Pool C bids. That leaves 20 or so conferences that realize almost no upside to putting their AQ in jeopardy. Where do the votes come from to benefit those 4-8 conferences?

It just makes no sense. Now, I think dropping to 6 for an AQ was a bad idea, but I think you will have a real hard time telling the majority of conferences that they need to put their AQ at risk to benefit a select few power conferences having a second team in the tournament. It's a big thumbs down for the majority of DIII...


I can't wait to see who voted for and against this, given the number of non-FB playing schools I would guess that those schools were more in favor of it then the FB schools but until we see the votes that's supposition.

It's also interesting that 46 more schools voted for the six school single-sport conference then allowing such a conference an AQ.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on January 24, 2022, 12:47:40 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 24, 2022, 12:04:22 PM
Here's the thing, there are 28 D3 football conferences right now. Of those, maybe 4 or 5 will have 2 teams that are Top 10 worthy teams in 2 of 3 years. The ASC, CCIW, WIAC, and MIAC consistently have a case lately. On an irregular basis, but at least yearly, one of maybe 6 or so other conferences can claim two semi-final worthy teams. Out of 28 conferences, 4-10 conferences should be strongly in favor of having more Pool C bids. That leaves 20 or so conferences that realize almost no upside to putting their AQ in jeopardy. Where do the votes come from to benefit those 4-8 conferences?

It just makes no sense. Now, I think dropping to 6 for an AQ was a bad idea, but I think you will have a real hard time telling the majority of conferences that they need to put their AQ at risk to benefit a select few power conferences having a second team in the tournament. It's a big thumbs down for the majority of DIII...

Honestly, I think non-football sports drove this vote.  I've seen a lot of talk around about how it was a great thing for other sports such as Hockey.  As much as I'm disappointed, maybe they'll carve out an exception for football next year...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 24, 2022, 01:15:18 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on January 24, 2022, 12:47:40 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 24, 2022, 12:04:22 PM
Here's the thing, there are 28 D3 football conferences right now. Of those, maybe 4 or 5 will have 2 teams that are Top 10 worthy teams in 2 of 3 years. The ASC, CCIW, WIAC, and MIAC consistently have a case lately. On an irregular basis, but at least yearly, one of maybe 6 or so other conferences can claim two semi-final worthy teams. Out of 28 conferences, 4-10 conferences should be strongly in favor of having more Pool C bids. That leaves 20 or so conferences that realize almost no upside to putting their AQ in jeopardy. Where do the votes come from to benefit those 4-8 conferences?

It just makes no sense. Now, I think dropping to 6 for an AQ was a bad idea, but I think you will have a real hard time telling the majority of conferences that they need to put their AQ at risk to benefit a select few power conferences having a second team in the tournament. It's a big thumbs down for the majority of DIII...

Honestly, I think non-football sports drove this vote.  I've seen a lot of talk around about how it was a great thing for other sports such as Hockey.  As much as I'm disappointed, maybe they'll carve out an exception for football next year...

I would agree. One size fits all regarding the AQ should probably go up for a vote next year and allow some sports to decouple if they want to. But I don't see the AQ going away either way, since it's in so few conferences' interest to kill it and in a lot of conferences' interest to keep it in place.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2022, 11:56:28 AM
Lyon College of AR has announced they are going to start the transition process (https://d3sports.com/notables/2022/02/lyon-college-applying-to-d3) from NAIA to D3 (though they haven't applied yet).   While they are (just) in the SAA's geographical footprint and do have a football program, I don't see them as a school the SAA would be interested in adding as they don't meet the SAA's academics.  They would fit in the ASC or SCAC (should the latter revive football, especially).   IMO the ASC is the most likely destination as they'd make a good travel partner for the U of the Ozarks. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 09, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2022, 11:56:28 AM
Lyon College of AR has announced they are going to start the transition process (https://d3sports.com/notables/2022/02/lyon-college-applying-to-d3) from NAIA to D3 (though they haven't applied yet).   While they are (just) in the SAA's geographical footprint and do have a football program, I don't see them as a school the SAA would be interested in adding as they don't meet the SAA's academics.  They would fit in the ASC or SCAC (should the latter revive football, especially).   IMO the ASC is the most likely destination as they'd make a good travel partner for the U of the Ozarks.

If nothing else... could be an easy OOC game for Hendrix in lots of sports. Less than 2 hours away.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: TLU02SA on February 10, 2022, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: jknezek on February 09, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2022, 11:56:28 AM
Lyon College of AR has announced they are going to start the transition process (https://d3sports.com/notables/2022/02/lyon-college-applying-to-d3) from NAIA to D3 (though they haven't applied yet).   While they are (just) in the SAA's geographical footprint and do have a football program, I don't see them as a school the SAA would be interested in adding as they don't meet the SAA's academics.  They would fit in the ASC or SCAC (should the latter revive football, especially).   IMO the ASC is the most likely destination as they'd make a good travel partner for the U of the Ozarks.

If nothing else... could be an easy OOC game for Hendrix in lots of sports. Less than 2 hours away.

Also posted this on ASC board but doesn't this just scream SCAC?  In light of the recent amendments to the AQ, with the SCAC voting unanimously for the 6 AQ, along with Centenary starting a football program, I would predict there will be an announcement that Lyon is joining the SCAC (I have no actually knowledge of this).  That is your 6 for a football AQ: Austin, Centenary, Lyon, Southwestern, Trinity and TLU. The addition of Lyon would also get the SCAC in other sports back to 10 (the previous six plus Colorado, Dallas, Schreiner and St. Thomas).  Distance will play a role because Lyon is not really close to the other SCAC schools but this seems to be the end game here.  And Lyon is Presbyterian.  Fits the SCAC profile (Presbyterians, Methodists, Catholics and Lutherans).  I could be wrong.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 10, 2022, 01:03:29 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on February 10, 2022, 12:34:52 PM

Also posted this on ASC board but doesn't this just scream SCAC?  In light of the recent amendments to the AQ, with the SCAC voting unanimously for the 6 AQ, along with Centenary starting a football program, I would predict there will be an announcement that Lyon is joining the SCAC (I have no actually knowledge of this).  That is your 6 for a football AQ: Austin, Centenary, Lyon, Southwestern, Trinity and TLU. The addition of Lyon would also get the SCAC in other sports back to 10 (the previous six plus Colorado, Dallas, Schreiner and St. Thomas).  Distance will play a role because Lyon is not really close to the other SCAC schools but this seems to be the end game here.  And Lyon is Presbyterian.  Fits the SCAC profile (Presbyterians, Methodists, Catholics and Lutherans).  I could be wrong.

It's certainly a possibility but the ASC desperately needs another football school because non-conference scheduling is ridiculously hard and gets harder with Southwestern leaving for the SAA in 2023.   

The SCAC already has a bad travel situation in most sports one weekend where you have Dallas or Austin paired with Colorado College - but at least all those schools are near major airports.   If they take Lyon your closest airport is Little Rock, a couple hours away.  So then you end up with either two travel weekends Dallas - Colorado and Austin - Lyon or even worse one weekend with both Lyon and Colorado.  There are actually three airlines flying from Little Rock to Denver so that actually might work - but I don't know if the majority of schools that don't have huge endowments would be happy about adding a flight for most of their sports.   

We'll see!   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 10, 2022, 05:09:21 PM
Southwestern is coming in as associate member in football only, or are they becoming full members to the SAA???  If it's associate member, there is a chance they never make it into conference as the SCAC may start to sponsor football with 6 playing members.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: TLU02SA on February 10, 2022, 05:15:44 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 10, 2022, 05:09:21 PM
Southwestern is coming in as associate member in football only, or are they becoming full members to the SAA???  If it's associate member, there is a chance they never make it into conference as the SCAC may start to sponsor football with 6 playing members.

According to the press release, it is an associate member in football only:

https://saa-sports.com/news/2021/8/19/saa-announces-that-southwestern-university-will-join-the-league-as-an-affiliate-member-in-football.aspx

With only 6 members to have an AQ, I would suspect that there will be some shuffling on conference affiliations, especially with associate memberships.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on March 16, 2022, 05:47:19 PM
Article covering an interview that Sewanee's alumni office recently did with our new AD.    Not a new face on the Mountain as we were able to convince our long-time men's tennis coach to come out of retirement to take the AD position.   I was glad to see Coach Shackleford take the position as he and his wife have built a solid tennis program at Sewanee over the past 30 years and I think we will see the same with John as our AD.   Comments about the state of the football program are towards the end of the article.

https://stories.sewanee.edu/building-a-championship-culture/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2WqKHvV-4vDZ1BaSsk78wCDQm4Jqm318G1E8E3FJnYd4f750Pfo8IGHHU (https://stories.sewanee.edu/building-a-championship-culture/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2WqKHvV-4vDZ1BaSsk78wCDQm4Jqm318G1E8E3FJnYd4f750Pfo8IGHHU)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 18, 2022, 09:26:11 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on March 16, 2022, 05:47:19 PM
Article covering an interview that Sewanee's alumni office recently did with our new AD.    Not a new face on the Mountain as we were able to convince our long-time men's tennis coach to come out of retirement to take the AD position.   I was glad to see Coach Shackleford take the position as he and his wife have built a solid tennis program at Sewanee over the past 30 years and I think we will see the same with John as our AD.   Comments about the state of the football program are towards the end of the article.

https://stories.sewanee.edu/building-a-championship-culture/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2WqKHvV-4vDZ1BaSsk78wCDQm4Jqm318G1E8E3FJnYd4f750Pfo8IGHHU (https://stories.sewanee.edu/building-a-championship-culture/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2WqKHvV-4vDZ1BaSsk78wCDQm4Jqm318G1E8E3FJnYd4f750Pfo8IGHHU)

Sounds like you have the right man for the job - a solid AD, *along with support from the administration*, can make a huge difference.  Trinity's athletic programs were in similar straits before we hired Bob King from Millsaps way back in '93.  Sewanee's commitment to meet the full financial needs of all students should certainly help but facilities are a key, which your new AD realizes.  And fundraising for athletic facilities can be complicated - so too getting the student body involved.  I wish you all the best!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on March 28, 2022, 06:43:31 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 18, 2022, 09:26:11 AM
Sounds like you have the right man for the job - a solid AD, *along with support from the administration*, can make a huge difference.  Trinity's athletic programs were in similar straits before we hired Bob King from Millsaps way back in '93.  Sewanee's commitment to meet the full financial needs of all students should certainly help but facilities are a key, which your new AD realizes.  And fundraising for athletic facilities can be complicated - so too getting the student body involved.  I wish you all the best!

Thanks, that's mighty kind of you.  Will be a bit before we can deal with facilities issues as we're going through another transition at the Vice Chancellor level (what would be the President on other campuses).     But the first hurdle is past now that we're admitting we have a problem that we need to fundraise to address.   I admire what Trinity has been able to do in both athletics and academics over the past few years... signs of a good set of administrators.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 30, 2022, 06:55:53 AM
(tip of the hat the the ASC board)

Football schedules for 2022 are starting to come up at last, albeit slowly.

Centre:  https://centrecolonels.com/sports/football/schedule/2022
@Hanover, Maryville, @Trine

Sewanee:  https://sewaneetigers.com/sports/football/schedule/2022
St. Scholastica, W&L, Westminster(MO) - a very home-friendly open to the season

.. and that's it.   We know from the TLU schedule that they scrimmage Trinity and then play them in SA three weeks later.   More schedules will be forthcoming over the next month or two. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on March 30, 2022, 09:09:30 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 30, 2022, 06:55:53 AM
(tip of the hat the the ASC board)

Football schedules for 2022 are starting to come up at last, albeit slowly.

Centre:  https://centrecolonels.com/sports/football/schedule/2022
@Hanover, Maryville, @Trine

Sewanee:  https://sewaneetigers.com/sports/football/schedule/2022
St. Scholastica, W&L, Westminster(MO) - a very home-friendly open to the season

.. and that's it.   We know from the TLU schedule that they scrimmage Trinity and then play them in SA three weeks later.   More schedules will be forthcoming over the next month or two.

Here are a few others:
Hendrix plays Austin College week 1 (9/3) and Howard Payne week 3 (9/17).  Rhodes plays Austin College week 2 (9/10), and Millsaps opens with Belhaven on Thursday 9/1. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 30, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
[x-posting to both ASC and SAA boards]

Centenary [LA] has their football coach, former Evangel and LSU star Byron Dawson (https://www.gocentenary.com/general/2021-22/releases/20220329xd79so), who comes over from Tulane where he was DL coach since March 2020.  Prior to that he was HC at Evangel, where he worked his way up from DL coach to DC to HC in a 15-year career.

What they don't have - yet - is a conference to play in.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on April 01, 2022, 02:57:26 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 30, 2022, 06:55:53 AM
(tip of the hat the the ASC board)

Football schedules for 2022 are starting to come up at last, albeit slowly.
...
Sewanee:  https://sewaneetigers.com/sports/football/schedule/2022
St. Scholastica, W&L, Westminster(MO) - a very home-friendly open to the season

...

Plus we open SAA play at home against Millsaps.   Full first month of the schedule at home.   Second half of season might be tough with road games to Centre, Hendrix, Rhodes, and Trinity.

Just hoping for better results... a second perfect "0-fer' season will not go over very well on the Mountain. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2022, 01:38:58 PM
So far this is what I can find for BSC 2022 schedule

Sep 3 Point University(NAIA)
Sep 10 Huntingdon
Sep 17 McMurry

Oct 22 @Suwanee

Nov 5 Centre

Suwanee and Centre have released their schedule.  BSC is having the football banquet and spring game on April 29 and 30, I would assume we will release our schedule then.  That is if the McMurry game has been figured out by then, also don't know if we play Point home or away. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on April 05, 2022, 02:44:46 PM
Our schedule has the BSC game at 1PM. Do you know if that's right or will it be the usual 6PM? I haven't tried contacting anyone at HC to ask about it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2022, 06:01:05 PM
I'd hope it's 6pm just because of the heat.  That, and tailgating all day is more fun. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on April 06, 2022, 02:37:09 PM
It's been fixed since I posted and has 6PM now.  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 08, 2022, 10:21:09 AM
Due to issues with the Jackson municipal water system, Millsaps will be spending $3.5-$4M on a project to drill two wells (https://www.wlbt.com/2022/04/07/millsaps-college-joins-fairgrounds-city-byram-coming-off-jackson-water/) which will tap into a local acquifer.

OK, not terribly football-related but it's a slow time of year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 13, 2022, 07:14:40 AM
I got a tip that Wheaton will travel to San Antonio to play Trinity in week 2, and sure enough the Thunder has their schedule up (https://athletics.wheaton.edu/sports/football/schedule) and that indeed is their opener on September 10th.  Just a little more of a challenge than MacAlester was last season - I know where I'll be on that day. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 13, 2022, 08:18:40 AM
Schedules are slowly trickling out, still waiting for BSC to get there's out.  Last year it was early august before we got a finalized schedule, hoping for something earlier this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 13, 2022, 10:19:23 AM
From the D3football.com standpoint, we have about 200 of the 240 team pages created for next season. You can see the schedules for each of those teams here:

https://d3football.com/teams/index
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 14, 2022, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 13, 2022, 10:19:23 AM
From the D3football.com standpoint, we have about 200 of the 240 team pages created for next season. You can see the schedules for each of those teams here:

https://d3football.com/teams/index

As a result we now see that Trinity will open with three straight home games (https://d3football.com/teams/Trinity_(Texas)/2022/index).  In addition to Wheaton (Sep 10) and TLU (Sep 17), Sul Ross comes to town to open the season on September 3rd.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2022, 05:14:56 PM
IIRC, doesn't SRSU show up pretty well for Trinity sports events?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 14, 2022, 05:40:24 PM
BSC is still one of those incomplete schedules.  I'm still eyeing April 29/30 for a release.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 20, 2022, 02:59:26 PM
Trinity schedule is finally official. 
https://twitter.com/TUFootballTX/status/1516848510569697293/photo/1

The SAA part of the schedule has been shaken up this season:


Sep 3 Sul Ross
Sep 10 Wheaton
Sep 17 TLU
Sep 23 Bye
Oct 1 @Hendrix
Oct 8 BSC
Oct 15 @Rhodes
Oct 22 Berry (Alumni Weekend)
Oct 29 @Centre
Nov 5 @Millsaps
Nov 12 Sewanee

A friendly schedule with most of the usual SAA challengers (BSC, Berry) and Wheaton at home.  Will be interesting to see if Hendrix can get back on-track; barring that, Centre should be the stiffest road challenge.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 24, 2022, 03:16:34 PM
Southwestern (in the last year of ASC associate membership before switching to the SAA next year) took out a half-page humblebrag in the local daily announcing they converted property donated in the 1930s into $28 million.  One of the things they will do with the funds is build a multi-purpose sports complex seating 5,000 which will host football, soccer, and lacrosse.  Other uses include two new residence halls and renovation of existing buildings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on April 24, 2022, 04:04:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 24, 2022, 03:16:34 PM
Southwestern (in the last year of ASC associate membership before switching to the SAA next year) took out a half-page humblebrag in the local daily announcing they converted property donated in the 1930s into $28 million.  One of the things they will do with the funds is build a multi-purpose sports complex seating 5,000 which will host football, soccer, and lacrosse.  Other uses include two new residence halls and renovation of existing buildings.

Aww, they won't be able to humblebrag about having the largest stadium in the area anymore...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on April 25, 2022, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 24, 2022, 03:16:34 PM
Southwestern (in the last year of ASC associate membership before switching to the SAA next year) took out a half-page humblebrag in the local daily announcing they converted property donated in the 1930s into $28 million.  One of the things they will do with the funds is build a multi-purpose sports complex seating 5,000 which will host football, soccer, and lacrosse.  Other uses include two new residence halls and renovation of existing buildings.

Wonder where the complex will be? Right now I believe they essentially have 2 full sized football fields that are only for practice and then 2 full sized fields for Lacrosse and Soccer which includes some stands. I assume they will take some of that land and repurpose it for this complex but you would think they will need to add a good deal of parking on campus to take up to 5,000 additional people on any given day.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on April 25, 2022, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 25, 2022, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 24, 2022, 03:16:34 PM
Southwestern (in the last year of ASC associate membership before switching to the SAA next year) took out a half-page humblebrag in the local daily announcing they converted property donated in the 1930s into $28 million.  One of the things they will do with the funds is build a multi-purpose sports complex seating 5,000 which will host football, soccer, and lacrosse.  Other uses include two new residence halls and renovation of existing buildings.

Wonder where the complex will be? Right now I believe they essentially have 2 full sized football fields that are only for practice and then 2 full sized fields for Lacrosse and Soccer which includes some stands. I assume they will take some of that land and repurpose it for this complex but you would think they will need to add a good deal of parking on campus to take up to 5,000 additional people on any given day.

Yeah, they're going to have to add a considerable amount of parking.  I think they could squeeze a good bit between the practice fields and the creek.  The logistics might be strange, but I could see them replacing the practice field with the track around it.  It would be a pretty good location.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on April 25, 2022, 02:22:54 PM
They dropped BSC to play a club team? Come on, man.

https://www.lagrangepanthers.com/sports/fball/2022-23/schedule

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 25, 2022, 07:17:35 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on April 25, 2022, 02:22:54 PM
They dropped BSC to play a club team? Come on, man.

https://www.lagrangepanthers.com/sports/fball/2022-23/schedule

Wow, ended a long time rival for that........ 

Is Middle Georgia about to jump into full sponsorship of football???
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on April 25, 2022, 09:45:01 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 25, 2022, 07:17:35 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on April 25, 2022, 02:22:54 PM
They dropped BSC to play a club team? Come on, man.

https://www.lagrangepanthers.com/sports/fball/2022-23/schedule

Wow, ended a long time rival for that........ 

Is Middle Georgia about to jump into full sponsorship of football???

I don't find anything on their website about it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2022, 10:39:52 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on April 25, 2022, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 25, 2022, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 24, 2022, 03:16:34 PM
Southwestern (in the last year of ASC associate membership before switching to the SAA next year) took out a half-page humblebrag in the local daily announcing they converted property donated in the 1930s into $28 million.  One of the things they will do with the funds is build a multi-purpose sports complex seating 5,000 which will host football, soccer, and lacrosse.  Other uses include two new residence halls and renovation of existing buildings.

Wonder where the complex will be? Right now I believe they essentially have 2 full sized football fields that are only for practice and then 2 full sized fields for Lacrosse and Soccer which includes some stands. I assume they will take some of that land and repurpose it for this complex but you would think they will need to add a good deal of parking on campus to take up to 5,000 additional people on any given day.

Yeah, they're going to have to add a considerable amount of parking.  I think they could squeeze a good bit between the practice fields and the creek.  The logistics might be strange, but I could see them replacing the practice field with the track around it.  It would be a pretty good location.

Southwestern has a good deal of property east and north of the current practice fields - used to be a golf course until around the turn of the century.  From the Williamson County Appraisal District maps they still seem to own all that land.  They also have a couple of plots across University Avenue which aren't large enough for much (one is 4+ acres, the other not quite one).   

And, of course, it's one thing to have a 5K facility, another to fill it.  The attendance listed for each of the last three home games this season was exactly 1500 which means it probably wasn't even that. 

What I find odd is there is nothing - nada, zip, zilch - on either the athletics or main Southwestern web site saying boo about this.  You would think that if you take out a huge ad in the Sunday paper that it would be part of a coordinated announcement.   It will certainly come soon, no doubt.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on April 25, 2022, 11:17:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2022, 10:39:52 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on April 25, 2022, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 25, 2022, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 24, 2022, 03:16:34 PM
Southwestern (in the last year of ASC associate membership before switching to the SAA next year) took out a half-page humblebrag in the local daily announcing they converted property donated in the 1930s into $28 million.  One of the things they will do with the funds is build a multi-purpose sports complex seating 5,000 which will host football, soccer, and lacrosse.  Other uses include two new residence halls and renovation of existing buildings.

Wonder where the complex will be? Right now I believe they essentially have 2 full sized football fields that are only for practice and then 2 full sized fields for Lacrosse and Soccer which includes some stands. I assume they will take some of that land and repurpose it for this complex but you would think they will need to add a good deal of parking on campus to take up to 5,000 additional people on any given day.

Yeah, they're going to have to add a considerable amount of parking.  I think they could squeeze a good bit between the practice fields and the creek.  The logistics might be strange, but I could see them replacing the practice field with the track around it.  It would be a pretty good location.

Southwestern has a good deal of property east and north of the current practice fields - used to be a golf course until around the turn of the century.  From the Williamson County Appraisal District maps they still seem to own all that land.  They also have a couple of plots across University Avenue which aren't large enough for much (one is 4+ acres, the other not quite one).   

And, of course, it's one thing to have a 5K facility, another to fill it.  The attendance listed for each of the last three home games this season was exactly 1500 which means it probably wasn't even that. 

What I find odd is there is nothing - nada, zip, zilch - on either the athletics or main Southwestern web site saying boo about this.  You would think that if you take out a huge ad in the Sunday paper that it would be part of a coordinated announcement.   It will certainly come soon, no doubt.

I stumbled across what appears to be the press release but have no clue how you would find this unless you were specifically looking for it as I had to goggle Southwestern 28 million which is not something I do on the regular haha

https://www.southwestern.edu/live/news/15201-a-message-from-southwestern-universitys-board-of
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2022, 11:45:53 PM
That's what they put in yesterday's paper.  But this kind of news warrants a splash on the main page, one on the athletic site, with some sort of details (like where does all this stuff go).  Building an all-expense paid stadium and two new residence halls (and the fact that the school brought in nearly $30M by selling that land) is big news for a school of 1500!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on April 25, 2022, 11:51:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2022, 10:39:52 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on April 25, 2022, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 25, 2022, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 24, 2022, 03:16:34 PM
Southwestern (in the last year of ASC associate membership before switching to the SAA next year) took out a half-page humblebrag in the local daily announcing they converted property donated in the 1930s into $28 million.  One of the things they will do with the funds is build a multi-purpose sports complex seating 5,000 which will host football, soccer, and lacrosse.  Other uses include two new residence halls and renovation of existing buildings.

Wonder where the complex will be? Right now I believe they essentially have 2 full sized football fields that are only for practice and then 2 full sized fields for Lacrosse and Soccer which includes some stands. I assume they will take some of that land and repurpose it for this complex but you would think they will need to add a good deal of parking on campus to take up to 5,000 additional people on any given day.

Yeah, they're going to have to add a considerable amount of parking.  I think they could squeeze a good bit between the practice fields and the creek.  The logistics might be strange, but I could see them replacing the practice field with the track around it.  It would be a pretty good location.

Southwestern has a good deal of property east and north of the current practice fields - used to be a golf course until around the turn of the century.  From the Williamson County Appraisal District maps they still seem to own all that land.  They also have a couple of plots across University Avenue which aren't large enough for much (one is 4+ acres, the other not quite one).   

And, of course, it's one thing to have a 5K facility, another to fill it.  The attendance listed for each of the last three home games this season was exactly 1500 which means it probably wasn't even that. 

What I find odd is there is nothing - nada, zip, zilch - on either the athletics or main Southwestern web site saying boo about this.  You would think that if you take out a huge ad in the Sunday paper that it would be part of a coordinated announcement.   It will certainly come soon, no doubt.

Yeah, over there was kind of what I was thinking. If they're planning to break ground this year then they probably have a plan and are in the permitting process already. Too bad Georgetown doesn't have a map of all site plans in review/progress like they do over here in Hutto.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on April 26, 2022, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2022, 11:45:53 PM
That's what they put in yesterday's paper.  But this kind of news warrants a splash on the main page, one on the athletic site, with some sort of details (like where does all this stuff go).  Building an all-expense paid stadium and two new residence halls (and the fact that the school brought in nearly $30M by selling that land) is big news for a school of 1500!

Totally agreed, seems like most other schools would have shown some form of what the facility is going to look like. According to their twitter account they seem to be actively recruiting, what better than to show the new field to these later prospects.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 26, 2022, 09:59:21 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on April 25, 2022, 09:45:01 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 25, 2022, 07:17:35 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on April 25, 2022, 02:22:54 PM
They dropped BSC to play a club team? Come on, man.

https://www.lagrangepanthers.com/sports/fball/2022-23/schedule

Wow, ended a long time rival for that........ 

Is Middle Georgia about to jump into full sponsorship of football???

I don't find anything on their website about it.

LaGrange understands this to be a non-countable game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on April 26, 2022, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 26, 2022, 09:59:21 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on April 25, 2022, 09:45:01 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 25, 2022, 07:17:35 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on April 25, 2022, 02:22:54 PM
They dropped BSC to play a club team? Come on, man.

https://www.lagrangepanthers.com/sports/fball/2022-23/schedule

Wow, ended a long time rival for that........ 

Is Middle Georgia about to jump into full sponsorship of football???

I don't find anything on their website about it.

LaGrange understands this to be a non-countable game.
But do they understand that an 8-1 (6-1) record probably won't get them into the playoffs. It's either 6-0 or bust in the USAC.

Also, Lagrange could play Ferrum on September 3rd and have Ferrum play Salisbury on 17th. Also, have the NAIA schools play each other. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 26, 2022, 03:53:00 PM
It's taken LaGrange since Jan. 1, 2018, to win its last eight games. I think LaGrange has a couple steps to go before worrying about that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 26, 2022, 10:22:25 PM
Still not sure why you would give up a home game against us to play Middle Georgia.  What do you gain out of that??? 

I could understand if they gave up us to play crosstown Point, but that is who we replaced Lagrange with.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on April 27, 2022, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 26, 2022, 10:22:25 PM
Still not sure why you would give up a home game against us to play Middle Georgia.  What do you gain out of that??? 

I could understand if they gave up us to play crosstown Point, but that is who we replaced Lagrange with.

Am I wrong, it looks like they are playing Middle Georgia at home?

Also could take it as a good sign for BSC, prehaps LaGrange thinks they have a better chance of beating or at least competing with Middle Georgia than you.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on April 27, 2022, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 27, 2022, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 26, 2022, 10:22:25 PM
Still not sure why you would give up a home game against us to play Middle Georgia.  What do you gain out of that??? 

I could understand if they gave up us to play crosstown Point, but that is who we replaced Lagrange with.

Am I wrong, it looks like they are playing Middle Georgia at home?

Also could take it as a good sign for BSC, prehaps LaGrange thinks they have a better chance of beating or at least competing with Middle Georgia than you.

Middle Georgia is a club team. The game won't even count. That's why we don't understand what they are doing over there.
The only thing that might make sense is if they had someone else lined up for week 1, dropped BSC, then something happened with the other game and this is all they could come up with.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on April 27, 2022, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on April 27, 2022, 01:42:03 PM
Middle Georgia is a club team. The game won't even count. That's why we don't understand what they are doing over there.
The only thing that might make sense is if they had someone else lined up for week 1, dropped BSC, then something happened with the other game and this is all they could come up with.

Middle Georgia State is a recent invention over in Georgia, dating from the 2013 merger of Macon State and Middle Georgia.     Middle Georgia did football for a bit in the NAIA's second division many moons ago but was better known for their baseball program.   Their club team plays in the ancient stadium at the far southern edge of the original Middle Georgia campus in Cochran.    It's a bit in the country and has been converted to a soccer field that gets remarked for football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on April 27, 2022, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on April 27, 2022, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 27, 2022, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 26, 2022, 10:22:25 PM
Still not sure why you would give up a home game against us to play Middle Georgia.  What do you gain out of that??? 

I could understand if they gave up us to play crosstown Point, but that is who we replaced Lagrange with.

Am I wrong, it looks like they are playing Middle Georgia at home?

Also could take it as a good sign for BSC, prehaps LaGrange thinks they have a better chance of beating or at least competing with Middle Georgia than you.

Middle Georgia is a club team. The game won't even count. That's why we don't understand what they are doing over there.
The only thing that might make sense is if they had someone else lined up for week 1, dropped BSC, then something happened with the other game and this is all they could come up with.

But do they care if the game counts or not, really? They have not won more than 5 games in a season since 2008. I don't know the recruiting scene in Georgia but they may be losing recruits to this club team and they think if we show everyone that D3 is better than club football that is a win for us long term.

I fully understand why it upsets BSC since that is a lost D3 game but I would assume LaGrange has there reasons.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2022, 08:36:04 PM
McMurry Versus B-SC at War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock on 09/03/2022

https://mcmurrysports.com/sports/football/schedule
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 27, 2022, 10:29:59 PM
Our schedule is slowly coming together.  Now we know who we open with and where.  We are also supposed to play Point(NAIA) along with Huntingdon for our 3 OOC games.  I'm hoping that is still the plan, would hate to hear that Point has fallen through we we are still looking for a 10th game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2022, 07:13:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2022, 08:36:04 PM
McMurry Versus B-SC at War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock on 09/03/2022

https://mcmurrysports.com/sports/football/schedule

Wow.  That's a long way for both schools to go to play where a couple hundred might show up to rattle around in that great big 'ol stadium.   But kudos to both for figuring out a way to make a game work.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2022, 09:06:54 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2022, 08:36:04 PM
McMurry Versus B-SC at War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock on 09/03/2022

https://mcmurrysports.com/sports/football/schedule

This game has been on our site for a few days -- glad to get the rest of McMurry to fill it out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 30, 2022, 12:01:13 AM
BSC has a schedule for 2022

Sep 3  McMurry@Little Rock 1:00pm
Sep 10  Huntingdon @ home  6:00pm
SEP 24  Point University @ home  6:00pm
Oct 1  Berry @ home  6:00pm
Oct 8  @Trinity  1:00pm
Oct 15  Millsaps @ home  4:00pm
Oct 22  @Sewanee  6:00pm
Oct 29  Hendrix @ home  6:00pm
Nov 5  Centre @ home  1:00pm
Nov 12  @Rhodes  1:00pm

Last season we only had 4 home games in the regular season, this year we have 6.  So it evens all out.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 02, 2022, 11:52:20 AM
Trinity announced their recruiting class today - which can be found on Twitter (https://twitter.com/TUFootballTX).  33 student-athletes, which is par for the course on the numbers they shoot for each season (though tbh I thought it might be a little higher after last year).  2 DL / 5 LB / 7 DB / 7 OL / 2 QB / LS / K / 2 RB / TE / 3 WR / 2 ATH (both defensive).  The DL number seems low but there should be plenty returning from last season. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2022, 10:55:39 PM
One addition:  per Twitter posts St. Olaf's Tyler Huettel (https://athletics.stolaf.edu/news/2021/12/14/football-huettel-named-footballs-first-afca-all-america-since-1980.aspx), a rising sophomore punter who was named 1st-team AA by D3football.com, is transferring to Trinity for the 2022 season.  He returns to Texas where he played his high school ball at McKinney North.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on May 16, 2022, 10:46:11 AM
It'd be nice if all the schools released their signing class like this.  As far as I know, BSC doesn't release a list like this.  Of course in D3 it al, about who ends up on campus come August. Without athletic scholarships, you never really know what you have until they are on campus.  Unless you're UMHB and bring in 100+ freshman each year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 02, 2022, 02:29:39 PM
According to his own tweet (https://twitter.com/CoachbHoosier/status/1543255912613380097), Breon Hoosier is the new RB coach at Trinity.  The TU web site has not been updated and there is as of yet no release to verify this.  He was DC at a private school in the Austin suburbs for the last half of last season, before that a strength and conditioning coach for a few years including an intership at the University of Texas (per his LinkedIn profile (https://www.linkedin.com/in/breon-hoosier-2a62b8161)). 

Bill Ramzinsky is currently listed as the RB/TE coach (https://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/coaches/ramzinsky-bill) at Trinity; don't know if he will remain with TEs or if he may have stepped down. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 21, 2022, 03:33:42 PM
A quick interview (https://twitter.com/mikeforman21/status/1549091989341097984?s=20&t=lQ5blQp-Xw-MyPHeoSvOzg) (<1 min) by the Victoria Advocate's Mike Forman with TU HC Jerheme Urban on thoughts for the upcoming season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 21, 2022, 09:45:34 PM
The battle for the SAA should be another good one this year.  BSC, Trinity, Berry and Centre will all have something to say about it.  I could also see Hendrix taking a big step forward this season from where last season ended for them. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 24, 2022, 02:23:49 PM
As camps are quickly approaching, it's time to get your tailgate ready.  Time to dig out the canopies, grills, chairs and tables.  Get those menus figured out, if you need a practice run, get it done.  I know my tailgate will be bigger and better this year than years past. 

The season will be here before you go it!!!

GO PANTHERS!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 26, 2022, 08:33:01 AM
Trinity secondary/special teams coach Marcus Coleman is one of eight coaches named Bill Walsh Diversity Coaching Fellows by the Jacksonville Jaguars.   All eight will be with the team for the entirety of training camp, which started yesterday.

https://www.jaguars.com/news/jaguars-add-eight-coaches-via-the-nfls-bill-walsh-diversity-coaching-fellowship
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 26, 2022, 08:54:02 AM
The D3football.com pre-season poll (https://www.d3football.com/top25/2022/preseason) is out.   SAA teams:

9.  Trinity
25.  B-SC
RV:  Centre

Unsurprisingly, UMHB is #1 with 23 of 25 first-place votes (#3 UMU got the other two).  The ASC's Hardin-Simmons checks in at #6, Trinity's week two opponent Wheaton at #8, B-SC's week two opponent Huntingdon received votes. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on August 05, 2022, 07:55:11 PM
Should be a good year!

TU did well last year. Looks like they've Reloaded again with a lot of returning players. BSC should be back as well. Lost a couple key pieces,  but they recruit well and have a stable of athletes, that I'm not sure most teams can match in the SAA. Berry was young and should be back to form this season with basically everyone returning! Centre, well is Centre. They're always in the discussion as a favorite and always show up . Defenses will probably have to go against the top dual rushing tandem in the SAA between Centres  QB and RB. Hendrix will be a dark horse and I see them doing some damage. Watch out for them. Ughh then you have the millsaps and Rhodes teams which will be pretty sharp as well. They showed a lot of growth and I'm sure they will surprise a lot of teams. It's anyone's guess how things shake out this season. Anyone going to the mountain will have a steep Uphill battle with a UoS this season. Program is coming on strong and everyone returns.

Im excited for football. The SAA got a lot of votes from the D3FB guys, which doesn't happen often. I have The wk 2 game at Trinity circled to see how they do Against one of the elite teams in an elite conference of D3  right out of the gates. Looks like the SAA is making strides and should be in the hunt this season with so many good teams returning and rising. I wish everyone well, and all the players a great,  fun, and most importantly "SAFE" season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 08, 2022, 03:15:39 PM
They're not in the SAA yet (for football), but still possibly of interest:

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/Ralph_Hire
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2022, 03:17:32 PM
RPI and Colorado College are basically the same -- D-III schools with one D-I sport per gender.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 09, 2022, 11:51:35 AM
Camps are in session, it's time to get this party started.  Excited for another season with high expectations on the HillTop. BSC has their largest freshman class coming in around 70 guys.  Coach White is building big in numbers,  would like to see BSC start a JV program, maybe next season they can work that direction. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 09, 2022, 01:11:44 PM
Trinity's roster is up (https://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2022-23/roster) (though you have to click as the website default is still 2021's).  118 total, 38 first-years.  I only noted two transfers; Joseph Wolken, a sophmore LB from Cal Lu who saw limited playing time last season, and (as previously noted) Tyler Huettel, the A-A K/P from St. Olaf who's listed as a junior.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 10, 2022, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on August 05, 2022, 07:55:11 PM
Anyone going to the mountain will have a steep Uphill battle with a UoS this season. Program is coming on strong and everyone returns.

We are looking at an interesting season on the Mountain with a very favorable schedule and a large returning class.   Our first four games are at home and the schedule isn't too awful after that.

Big question mark for me is how can we improve our defensive performance, and particularly in the secondary.   There was a significant lack of athleticism among that group last year that has got to improve.

Coach Rundle remains on the hot seat after that perfect 0-fer season last year.   That's compounded a bit by our having a new AD who is a lot more aggressive about things than the previous one.   

It's hard to make any predictions about this group but I have hope that we might  have a chance to pull off an 0.500 record this season given the schedule.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 11, 2022, 11:00:45 AM
The BSC roster has posted, showing 55 freshman and 3 transfers.  I don't see the success BSC has had the last few years as a fluke.  I think as long as White is there, this program will be strong. 

On a side note, with all the success BSC is having in all athletics, I'd love to see some improvements being made to facilities on campus.  Even as small as an improvement to lighting and scoreboard, just to increase the fan and athlete experience.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on August 15, 2022, 03:36:20 PM
5 Trinity Tigers selected to D3football's preseason AA List

Centre with one selection

No other SAA team had a selection

https://d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2022-preseason
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: rjtiger on August 15, 2022, 03:36:40 PM
I'm always shocked at these schools that talk 55 young men to come in as freshman.  Do you think they don't know how big the class is or the cherish the competition?  I have a feeling they don't realize how big the class is.   Why pay all that money to go D3 and get stuck trying to beat out that many kids for playing time not to mention the upper classmen.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on August 15, 2022, 04:24:05 PM
Well, I know one sell for schools like Trinity is that there will be "JV" scrimmages and games that will allow for some playing time in addition to whatever work they may get on the practice squad/varsity team. Does BSC have a JV team? Usually its only schools that field big teams, such as UMHB, TLU, Trinity, that offer JV games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2022, 04:40:54 PM
Quote from: rjtiger on August 15, 2022, 03:36:40 PM
I'm always shocked at these schools that talk 55 young men to come in as freshman.  Do you think they don't know how big the class is or the cherish the competition?  I have a feeling they don't realize how big the class is.   Why pay all that money to go D3 and get stuck trying to beat out that many kids for playing time not to mention the upper classmen.
Welcome to the Boards, rjtiger.

The nice thing about D3 is that I hope that the student-athlete is coming to a particular institution for the education.
I will sell the benefits of a D3 student/athlete experience in that s/he continues a very successful schedule:

Go to class
Go to practice.
Go back to the dorm/apartment to study because the coach is watching and student/athletes on the Academic Honor Roll are a valued metric for the Athletic Dept.
Repeat until game day. Compete.
Start over.

Enjoy the friendship of really talented hard working people.
Enjoy the discipline and structure which is contributing to your growth.
Assess your performance after the 1st semester/1st year in all aspects of the year.
Enjoy the acknowledgment by friends and family of how much you have grown and matured.
Mom and Dad are proud that your first year grades reflect the hard work that they expected (and not that of the kid in your high school class who wasted tens of thousands of dollars and now will enroll in the local community college to bring up his/her grades and get his/her Associates Degree so s/he can start over.)

Reassess whether you resume the next year, or realize that you progressed in your sport as far as your talent could take you. After all 19-year-old student-athletes are a year older, wiser and stronger than that 18-year-old freshman that you were a year ago.

#WhyD3
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 15, 2022, 04:55:00 PM
My son plays at BSC, and we have all throughly enjoyed the experience.  As the coach sold us on it, when it comes time to need a tutor, you find out the best tutor for that subject happens to be 3 lockers down from you in the locker room.  In D3, you are a STUDENT athlete. 

As for the large classes coming in, if your opportunity is with that school, and they offer exceptional education opportunities, you take it.  Currently BSC does not have a JV team, they do have a weekly "JV" intrasquad scrimmage.  I know Huntingdon has JV, so hopefully we are building towards having a JV program in the coming years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on August 15, 2022, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on August 15, 2022, 03:36:20 PM
5 Trinity Tigers selected to D3football's preseason AA List

Centre with one selection

No other SAA team had a selection

https://d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2022-preseason

Upon further review, Trinity's five selections are the most of any team. Delaware Valley, Johns Hopkins, UMHB, and Mount Union each had four. High praise and big expectations for this team.

One of those five is Tyler Huettel, the All American punter that transferred to Trinity from St. Olaf this summer. (credit to Ron for reporting this). What I'm interested to see is who actually ends up being the starting punter. An under-the-radar standout from last years squad was sophomore k/p Eli Gehman, who averaged 40.5 yards per punt on 35 attempts (8th in nation), 38.8 net (3rd in the nation), with 16 inside the 20. Huettel meanwhile averaged 42.8 yards on 45 punts (1st in nation), 38.7 net (4th in nation), with 15 inside the 20. For whatever reason, Gehman's stats (other than team net punt) weren't listed on the D3 individual punting stats website: http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/national_ranking?academic_year=2022.0&division=3.0&ranking_period=23.0&sport_code=MFB&stat_seq=17.0.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2022, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: rjtiger on August 15, 2022, 03:36:40 PM
I'm always shocked at these schools that talk 55 young men to come in as freshman.  Do you think they don't know how big the class is or the cherish the competition?  I have a feeling they don't realize how big the class is.   Why pay all that money to go D3 and get stuck trying to beat out that many kids for playing time not to mention the upper classmen.

One of the beauties of D3 is that it allows schools and student-athletes to handle things in whatever way works best for them.  For some, the joy of continued participation in the sport they love, be it on game day or only on the practice field, is a huge plus and you go wherever the school and all of its programs, not just the team itself, suits your needs.  For the schools themselves, bringing in a large number of student athletes usually helps the bottom line as those students will often pay a premium so they can keep enjoying whatever sport they play.  UMHB had almost 100 first years last season, probably at least that many this year due to their success.  Hardin-Simmons has close to 80 this year.  Texas Lutheran, over 70.  Even Austin College has over 50.  Trinity is a bit of an outlier in Texas in that it deliberately keeps its yearly classes small - that's something Urban put in place because certainly the classes during the program's glory years under Steve Mohr were larger.  Some of that is no doubt due to the difficulty of getting into the school in the first place; requirements now are considerably higher than they were at the turn of the century, but there is a premium placed on retaining as many players as possible and that's difficult with larger class sizes.  And I'd say the SAA in general follows a "less is more" approach - looking at rosters I see Centre, ~45; Berry, 13 which makes me wonder if they haven't got everyone posted; Rhodes ~25, Hendrix ~50, Millsaps ~60, BSC 55, Sewanee not posted.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2022, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on August 15, 2022, 09:18:42 PM

One of those five is Tyler Huettel, the All American punter that transferred to Trinity from St. Olaf this summer. (credit to Ron for reporting this). What I'm interested to see is who actually ends up being the starting punter.

Same. If I could have been sure he would be the starting punter, Huettel would have been our first-team pick.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: rjtiger on August 16, 2022, 02:49:50 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2022, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: rjtiger on August 15, 2022, 03:36:40 PM
I'm always shocked at these schools that talk 55 young men to come in as freshman.  Do you think they don't know how big the class is or the cherish the competition?  I have a feeling they don't realize how big the class is.   Why pay all that money to go D3 and get stuck trying to beat out that many kids for playing time not to mention the upper classmen.

One of the beauties of D3 is that it allows schools and student-athletes to handle things in whatever way works best for them.  For some, the joy of continued participation in the sport they love, be it on game day or only on the practice field, is a huge plus and you go wherever the school and all of its programs, not just the team itself, suits your needs.  For the schools themselves, bringing in a large number of student athletes usually helps the bottom line as those students will often pay a premium so they can keep enjoying whatever sport they play.  UMHB had almost 100 first years last season, probably at least that many this year due to their success.  Hardin-Simmons has close to 80 this year.  Texas Lutheran, over 70.  Even Austin College has over 50.  Trinity is a bit of an outlier in Texas in that it deliberately keeps its yearly classes small - that's something Urban put in place because certainly the classes during the program's glory years under Steve Mohr were larger.  Some of that is no doubt due to the difficulty of getting into the school in the first place; requirements now are considerably higher than they were at the turn of the century, but there is a premium placed on retaining as many players as possible and that's difficult with larger class sizes.  And I'd say the SAA in general follows a "less is more" approach - looking at rosters I see Centre, ~45; Berry, 13 which makes me wonder if they haven't got everyone posted; Rhodes ~25, Hendrix ~50, Millsaps ~60, BSC 55, Sewanee not posted.

Oh I agree with everything everyone is saying and I'm passionate about D3 for the emphasis on education and the love of the game.  I just have a feeling that some of these kids may have gone a different route if they new they would be competing with 15 other QBs, 25 other WRs, etc.  Sure some don't care and you would hope they went to the school for the academics and experience and football was just a bonus....but we know that isn't always the case.

I hate it but I think it turns more into a sales job by the coaches for tuition dollars rather than a "building as many young men as possible"  especially those schools that do not have a large endowment and rely heavily on tuition.

Think about bringing in 75 kids and they are paying 15K in tuition.  that is over a million dollars a year coming in for these small schools.

Just my  2 cents. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2022, 02:58:32 PM
Division III football has been seen as an enrollment driver for going on 30 years, and probably longer.

Here's a story I wrote going on 17 years ago about the reasons schools add football programs at the D-III level, and yes, enrollment is one of the reasons discussed:
https://d3football.com/notables/2005/adding-football-why-and-how
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: rjtiger on August 16, 2022, 03:42:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2022, 02:58:32 PM
Division III football has been seen as an enrollment driver for going on 30 years, and probably longer.

Here's a story I wrote going on 17 years ago about the reasons schools add football programs at the D-III level, and yes, enrollment is one of the reasons discussed:
https://d3football.com/notables/2005/adding-football-why-and-how

It is a business when it is all said and done.  My wife is a professor at a small D1 school and it drives her nuts how important the athletics are but she also realizes it does bring kids in.

I'm new to the D3 world and just love how much more pure it is, especially since the advent of the transfer portal and NIL.

I appreciate this message board it's about the only one I can find with solid info and fans.  Thanks to all those that contribute.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 16, 2022, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2022, 02:58:32 PM
Division III football has been seen as an enrollment driver for going on 30 years, and probably longer.

Here's a story I wrote going on 17 years ago about the reasons schools add football programs at the D-III level, and yes, enrollment is one of the reasons discussed:
https://d3football.com/notables/2005/adding-football-why-and-how
17 schools in 9 seasons.

It's almost time for an update.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on August 17, 2022, 02:22:09 AM
Bob King, AD for Trinity, has a done a tremendous job for the Tiger Athletic programs in general.

Trinity has smaller student to professor ratios, smaller admission classes, and smaller recruiting classes than most schools in Texas. They want a smaller community feel for the entire enrollment, and offer the ability to excel in the classroom, while still enjoying the ability to excel in their specific sports arena. While each program would love to win a national championship, the school itself is still very academic oriented. They pride themselves more so on graduating the freshman that come to campus in 4 years, after completing rigorous undergrad programs, than all-American accolades. They emphasize Student Athlete. While the football team is starting to trend higher, a number of the other sports programs still remain elite in their associated conferences and continue to compete every season at a high level.

Take a look at the past few months of headlines, and you will see that the student is prioritized before athlete:

https://www.trinitytigers.com/landing/headlines-featured
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2022, 08:19:30 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2022, 02:58:32 PM
Division III football has been seen as an enrollment driver for going on 30 years, and probably longer.

Here's a story I wrote going on 17 years ago about the reasons schools add football programs at the D-III level, and yes, enrollment is one of the reasons discussed:
https://d3football.com/notables/2005/adding-football-why-and-how

And just today, there's a story in the Chronicle of Higher Education (https://www.chronicle.com/article/stopping-the-slide) discussing Fontbonne, a school which has seen nearly a 50% enrollment decline since 2010, using something called "sprint football" (no players over 178 pounds) in an attempt to eventually enroll another 80 students who would otherwise go elsewhere.  There obviously is no NCAA or NAIA competition for the sport; they're ginning up a new six-member league, with additional schools to sign on next year.   The school's president used this strategy successfully at Caldwell University (NJ) in an area where sprint football was established, with the nine-member Collegiate Spring Football League which is the only other organized sprint league in the country.

The article (which is behind what appears to be a paywall, but is free to anyone signing up for an account) includes this:

"Frankly," [school president Blattner] said, these students "would not be here for any other reason except they want to continue to do something that they excelled at in high school, but they're simply, through their stature, not able to compete in a D-I, D-II, D-III, or NAIA school on a regular football team."
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2022, 09:38:46 AM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on August 17, 2022, 02:22:09 AM

Take a look at the past few months of headlines, and you will see that the student is prioritized before athlete:

https://www.trinitytigers.com/landing/headlines-featured

I wouldn't argue you there, but I would note that over the summer is when those academic awards are typically posted. There's not a lot of other offseason news. Let's revisit this page on like Oct. 15.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on August 17, 2022, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2022, 09:38:46 AM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on August 17, 2022, 02:22:09 AM

Take a look at the past few months of headlines, and you will see that the student is prioritized before athlete:

https://www.trinitytigers.com/landing/headlines-featured

I wouldn't argue you there, but I would note that over the summer is when those academic awards are typically posted. There's not a lot of other offseason news. Let's revisit this page on like Oct. 15.

Well, hopefully it will be filled with a lot of positive news stories  ;) I'm sure there will be ample coverage of men's and women's soccer and cross country. Those teams continue to show up each fall.

I know the conversation kicked offed originally about football programs success in relation to recruiting being used as means to boost enrollment and tuition revenue for various institutions, but I was commending the athletic department for continuing their success in multiple sports, while still keeping smaller recruiting classes with and emphasis on academics while maintaining excellence across the board for all of their programs.

Still a ways to go, I think Trinity finished top 20 for the cup last year, so that puts them in the top 10% sports wise for D3. Just wanted to point out that football isn't necessarily the only sport they have had recent success in. As for the D3 argument over other levels, Trinity has done well to provide the opportunity for their students to receive a fine education while competing at a high level
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 21, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
We are now inside of 2 weeks to kickoff.  Anyone know of any week 0 DIII games???

Unfortunately it'll be week 2 before I see my Panthers in person, won't be making the trip to Little Rock for the season opener.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2022, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on August 21, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
We are now inside of 2 weeks to kickoff.  Anyone know of any week 0 DIII games???

Unfortunately it'll be week 2 before I see my Panthers in person, won't be making the trip to Little Rock for the season opener.

D-III teams are not allowed to play in Week 0. Sept. 1 are the first games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on August 21, 2022, 11:41:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2022, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on August 21, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
We are now inside of 2 weeks to kickoff.  Anyone know of any week 0 DIII games???

Unfortunately it'll be week 2 before I see my Panthers in person, won't be making the trip to Little Rock for the season opener.

D-III teams are not allowed to play in Week 0. Sept. 1 are the first games.

Isn't thiel playing hilbertthis Saturday?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Caz Bombers on August 22, 2022, 07:18:49 AM
Quote from: TromboneJB on August 21, 2022, 11:41:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2022, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on August 21, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
We are now inside of 2 weeks to kickoff.  Anyone know of any week 0 DIII games???

Unfortunately it'll be week 2 before I see my Panthers in person, won't be making the trip to Little Rock for the season opener.

D-III teams are not allowed to play in Week 0. Sept. 1 are the first games.

Isn't thiel playing hilbertthis Saturday?

Thiel has 10 games scheduled starting 9/3 but Hilbert is not one of them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2022, 08:31:11 AM
The only week 0 "games" I know about are scrimmages, e.g. Trinity at TLU this weekend. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on August 22, 2022, 10:14:39 AM
Trinity will skip down the highway to TLU this Thursday for their annual preseason scrimmage. They're off this coming weekend, and then at home in San Antonio the first 3 weeks....

Reading up on some of the other boards, some teams had scrimmages this past weekend already. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 22, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
BSC scrimmaged at LaGrange last Thursday.  From what I've heard we looked good on defense, and came away with no injuries, which is the most important thing this time of year. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
SAA pre-season poll is out:  Trinity gets seven first place votes and one second, BSC, Berry, Centre very tight for second. 

Sewanee got the other first place vote ... ???   

https://saa-sports.com/news/2022/8/24/trinity-picked-to-repeat-in-saa-football-preseason-poll.aspx

1. Trinity - 63 pts. (7)
2. Birmingham-Southern - 48 pt.
T3. Berry - 45 pts.
T3. Centre - 45 pts.
5. Hendrix - 27 pts.
6. Rhodes - 25 pts.
7. Millsaps - 18 pts.
8. Sewanee - 17 pts. (1)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 24, 2022, 04:04:31 PM
Whoever wins the Oct 8 meeting in San Antonio between BSC and Trinity will go a long way to deciding the conference champ.  Was a great game in Birmingham last season, expecting another good one this season. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 24, 2022, 04:16:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
SAA pre-season poll is out:  Trinity gets seven first place votes and one second, BSC, Berry, Centre very tight for second. 

Sewanee got the other first place vote ... ???   

https://saa-sports.com/news/2022/8/24/trinity-picked-to-repeat-in-saa-football-preseason-poll.aspx

1. Trinity - 63 pts. (7)
2. Birmingham-Southern - 48 pt.
T3. Berry - 45 pts.
T3. Centre - 45 pts.
5. Hendrix - 27 pts.
6. Rhodes - 25 pts.
7. Millsaps - 18 pts.
8. Sewanee - 17 pts. (1)

I wonder if they have the same rule as some other conferences... you can't vote for yourself. And the Trinity coach maybe didn't want to vote for any of his rivals? Who knows.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2022, 04:33:09 PM
I checked some of the other SAA preseason polls (not FB) and there were examples of unanimous first-place votes.  Also have a hard time believing Urban would do something like that but *someone* certainly picked Sewanee 1 and Trinity 2. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2022, 04:52:25 PM
I am guessing that Sewanee got:

one 1st place vote = 8 points
one 6th place votes = 3 points
six 8th place votes = 6 points
                                   17 points
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 24, 2022, 06:56:42 PM
Are there any head coaches in conference that played for or coached at Sewanee???

Figure someone is giving them the Spurrier vote he always gave Duke every season.  While he was HC he always gave Duke a vote in his poll.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on August 25, 2022, 02:15:54 AM
I'm sure each team/coach/school program is very optimistic at this point in the season. While Trinity has had a lot of spotlight in the recent couple years, re-emerging from some down years, the SAA is becoming very strong. They have a lot of premier players that received AA honors.  As I stated a few weeks back, the conference is wide open at this point. Yea it's cliche but every team has an opportunity. Who knows with injuries and how the pigskin can bounce. Game is won by inches each play. One team could hope for a .500 season and end up 8-2 how the ball bounces their way. Another team could be projected 8-2 and finish 3-7 with some close games they fold in with a couple of losses to superior teams. I see the vote playing out pretty true, but you never know. UoS returns a lot of players and could surprise a lot of people. Trinity is #9, BSC #25, Centre received votes, and Berry is Berry (amazing even after a down year of youth last season). Hendrix is a Covid year away from losing the SAA in AK and have talent across the board. Millsaps has a ton of athletes in that region, and Rhodes is a dark horse darling every year and always comes out on top against someone that most people didn't expect them to beat. I expect a great season of play from all schools. It will be interesting to see how the SAA does this year with Trinity playing Wheaton and Berry playing UWwhitewater. The conference continues to make strides and receive national recognition for its efforts. It will be nice if they can keep building and eventually break through 3+ round of playoffs but that's to be unseen until done. Trinity is loaded. BSC will have a top tier defense. Centre has the QB that can do it all. Berry has a stable of ponies to tout the rock and numbers at each position. I suspect Hendrix to play spoiler. Who knows. Millsaps, Rhodes, UoS, aren't to be taken lightly either. I think you could shuffle the top 4 and the lower 4 teams based on the coaches poll and it still wouldn't play out exactly how they voted due to the rise of this conference, with each team continually improving. Trinity has the target on their back, which they haven't had in a decade.....everyone will give them their best.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on August 25, 2022, 10:46:48 PM
Anybody know how the scrimmage between Trinity/TLU went this evening?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on August 26, 2022, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2022, 04:52:25 PM
I am guessing that Sewanee got:

one 1st place vote = 8 points
one 6th place votes = 3 points
six 8th place votes = 6 points
                                   17 points

As topsy-turvy as the world is at the moment, one might see our team win the conference.  But that's certainly in the possible but not highly probable category.   A favorable schedule opening with 4 home games in a row on the Mountain gives hope for a better result than last year and I'd be very happy should we go 0.500 on the season.   I'm just happy to see some football. :-)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 30, 2022, 04:32:00 PM
How many SAA teams play JV football???  BSC does not, however, our roster has grown quite a bit and am wondering if JV football is in the future for BSC. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on August 31, 2022, 12:17:34 AM
Most of SAA teams are too spread out for JV play. I know the SCAC and ASC had some internal JV games years back due to proximity, but not too sure if they still do much of it anymore.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on August 31, 2022, 09:10:59 AM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on August 31, 2022, 12:17:34 AM
Most of SAA teams are too spread out for JV play. I know the SCAC and ASC had some internal JV games years back due to proximity, but not too sure if they still do much of it anymore.

UMHB, TLU, HSU and Southwestern all play each other and some of the prep schools in the area. Other programs used to but seem to have fallen off I would guess because of numbers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 31, 2022, 10:22:39 AM
Huntington, less than 2 hours from BSC has a 3 game JV schedule this season.  They play a couple prep schools and best I can tell a club team from a DII school that doesn't sponsor football. Seems like BSC could make a few game schedule and play schools within a couple hours of us and give the younger guys something to play for, even if it is only 3-4 games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 31, 2022, 10:34:14 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on August 31, 2022, 10:22:39 AM
Huntington, less than 2 hours from BSC has a 3 game JV schedule this season.  They play a couple prep schools and best I can tell a club team from a DII school that doesn't sponsor football. Seems like BSC could make a few game schedule and play schools within a couple hours of us and give the younger guys something to play for, even if it is only 3-4 games.

Could. It's just a matter of money. And it's sort of $2 for $1, since you have to balance money by Title IX requirements. Travelling a football team is not cheap, even just renting a bus for JV to go a couple hours each way.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on August 31, 2022, 10:58:05 AM
The JV games can be very valuable if you are able to have them mainly just to get the young guys on the field in a game situation. In the past we have had freshmen who weren't dressing for home games with the varsity early in the season get noticed in the JV games and end up working their way into the regular playing rotation by the end of the season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 02, 2022, 11:07:02 AM
BSC has officially left campus heading to Little Rock for a match with McMurry at War Memorial. 

GO PANTHERS!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 03, 2022, 02:49:11 PM
Centre trails Hanover 7 - 13 late in the 2Q.
Interception fest by both teams.
I don't see their starting QB in the game. Any news?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
Sewanee up 34-0 on St. Scholastica at the Half, including three defensive scores in the first quarter.   

First time in a very long time I've seen Sewanee playing someone whom they both out-mass and out-athlete.   Figure on that balancing next week with W&L. coming to The Mountain.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2022, 04:41:57 PM
Scores:

Augustana 38 - Rhodes 24.  Final
Sewanee 50 - St. Scholastica 0. Final
B-SC 26 - McMurry 9 - 4:37, 4Q
Hanover 13 - Centre 10,  11:16 3Q, in weather delay

Berry and Maryville are in a slug-fest with Maryville scoring at 1:59 4Q for Berry 24 - Maryville 23.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 03, 2022, 05:00:17 PM
Berry wins a thriller with a long TD pass with 16seconds to go. Defense holds on for the win.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 03, 2022, 05:30:43 PM
SAA Scores:

Belhaven 49 - Millsaps 21 (L)

Augustana 34 - Rhodes 28 (L)

(W) Sewanee 50 - St. Scholastica 0

(W) B-SC 26 - McMurry 9

(W) Berry 31 - Maryville 24

(W) Hendrix 20 - Austin College 0

Hanover 13 - Centre 10 3Q, weather delay until 5:30pm

Trinity vs Sul Ross 6PM CT
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 03, 2022, 05:46:09 PM
BSC takes the win over McMurry 26-9.  McMurry had the better QB play as BSC is breaking in a new, sophomore, QB.  First okay from scrimmage BSC takes a run off tackle to the house, 75 for the TD.  McMurry first drive ends in a punt, snap goes over the punters head and out the end of the end zone.  After that it was a pretty even game.  For BSC to duplicate our success from last season, the offense is going to have to find some rhythm.

On to next week as we take on instate rival Huntingdon at home. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 03, 2022, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 03, 2022, 05:46:09 PM
BSC takes the win over McMurry 26-9.  McMurry had the better QB play as BSC is breaking in a new, sophomore, QB.  First okay from scrimmage BSC takes a run off tackle to the house, 75 for the TD.  McMurry first drive ends in a punt, snap goes over the punters head and out the end of the end zone.  After that it was a pretty even game.  For BSC to duplicate our success from last season, the offense is going to have to find some rhythm.

On to next week as we take on instate rival Huntingdon at home.
That was not a very impressive debut, if you only beat McMurry by 17.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2022, 06:46:21 PM
Whoa Sewanee, putting up a big 50 in the opener.    Maybe the guy voting them first knew something.    Congrats Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2022, 07:14:03 PM
Trinity - Sul Ross in a lightning delay that just got restarted due to ONE strike nearby.   Sigh.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2022, 01:50:12 AM
Despite a bit of a slow start, Trinity put up 55 in three quarters against an outmanned but game Sul Ross, who had one really good (like shockingly good, 83 of their total 155 yards) drive but struggled to do anything offensively the rest of the game.  Tucker Horn had a quiet night by his standards, going 16-23-328 with 3 TDs and no interceptions.  In fact, despite the wet field conditions (tho it didn't rain much the game got underway) there were no turnovers either way.    Trinity will be working to eliminate some of the early dropped passes and reduce the number of flags before Wheaton comes to town next week.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 04, 2022, 09:14:14 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2022, 06:46:21 PM
Whoa Sewanee, putting up a big 50 in the opener.    Maybe the guy voting them first knew something.    Congrats Tigers!

It's been some time since I've seen Sewanee play a team that we physically out-matched.  Looks like we're a little more athletic this year compared to recent Sewanee teams. And I've heard some talk around the Mountain that this group took more care with off-season conditioning than in the past.   W&L will be a good test next week to see if we're actually going to be competitive this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 04, 2022, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 04, 2022, 09:14:14 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2022, 06:46:21 PM
Whoa Sewanee, putting up a big 50 in the opener.    Maybe the guy voting them first knew something.    Congrats Tigers!

It's been some time since I've seen Sewanee play a team that we physically out-matched.  Looks like we're a little more athletic this year compared to recent Sewanee teams. And I've heard some talk around the Mountain that this group took more care with off-season conditioning than in the past.   W&L will be a good test next week to see if we're actually going to be competitive this season.

W&Ls offense looked absolutely anemic against CNU. Defense played well but the offense went nowhere. Sewanee will be interesting this year. Not sure if I will make it up to the game. Harder and harder as the kids get older.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 05, 2022, 12:07:19 AM
Pumped to see how we measure up against Wheaton this week. Always nice to see cross-conference matchups in D3, especially ones involving heavyweights. No disrespect to anyone else on Wheaton's offense, but beating Wheaton in this game will probably start and end with containing their stud RB Giovanni Weeks, who had over 1400 yards rushing last year on an insane 8.2 yards per rush. He was held below 100 yards in only three games - their in season loss to North Central, playoff loss to Central, and an in-season blowout of Augustana.

I think Trinity is one of the few teams in the country that can limit the damage by Weeks (who is also aided by a great O-line). Can't wait.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 05, 2022, 01:12:43 PM
Trinty/Wheaton will be a good game to watch.

I'm thinking that the B-SC/Huntingdon and  Centre/Maryville games will be telling about both B-SC and Centre this year as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 05, 2022, 03:29:31 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 05, 2022, 01:12:43 PM
Trinty/Wheaton will be a good game to watch.

I'm thinking that the B-SC/Huntingdon and  Centre/Maryville games will be telling about both B-SC and Centre this year as well.

If BSC can't get something working on offense, could be a long season.  Defense can only keep you in so long if the offense isn't moving.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: USee on September 05, 2022, 04:48:02 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 05, 2022, 12:07:19 AM
Pumped to see how we measure up against Wheaton this week. Always nice to see cross-conference matchups in D3, especially ones involving heavyweights. No disrespect to anyone else on Wheaton's offense, but beating Wheaton in this game will probably start and end with containing their stud RB Giovanni Weeks, who had over 1400 yards rushing last year on an insane 8.2 yards per rush. He was held below 100 yards in only three games - their in season loss to North Central, playoff loss to Central, and an in-season blowout of Augustana.

I think Trinity is one of the few teams in the country that can limit the damage by Weeks (who is also aided by a great O-line). Can't wait.

This absolutely will be the key to limiting Wheaton. Giovanni is gonna get the ball....a lot. And Wheaton is going to run right at every single opponent because it's who they are. They lost to NCC last year in part because they only gave it to Weeks 13 times. They are a very different team than last year, whose strength was defensively. This Wheaton team will have to outscore opponents as they return just 1 starter to last years top 5 defense. The offense is better off with 3 OL and Weeks back along with a couple veteran WR's and their main backup QB (who played a lot) as well as a transfer QB from Liberty.

Trinity, with 21 returning starters including Horn and Harmel, should be comfortable favorites in this game in my view.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 10, 2022, 09:43:31 AM
Home opener with Huntingdon coming to Birmingham.  We will know in about 12 hours where these two team are.  Here's to hoping the rain holds off and we have a big crowd to cheer on our Panthers!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 10, 2022, 11:06:14 AM
wow I had a lot of posts to catch up on! excited for this week in SAA play. Wheaton-Trinity is definitely the type of marquee game that should happen more often.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2022, 02:20:37 PM
Looking like it might be another long season in Conway.  Midway through the first quarter Hendrix trails WashU 16-0 (2TDs and a safety) and have -6 total yards after their two series.

Edit:  23-0 with still 5 minutes left in the opening stanza.   Yeesh.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 10, 2022, 03:27:09 PM
Things going like I expected on The Mountain with W-L leading Sewanee 38- 0 with under a minute left in the game.  W&L won it honest but it was one of the worst officiated games I've seen in a while. From what I saw, W&L is going to have a tough time against passing teams this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2022, 06:58:25 PM
Not great news for Trinity to start the game as co-captain WR Austin Bertness walks out for the toss in shorts.  His sure hands will be missed tonight.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 10, 2022, 07:07:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2022, 06:58:25 PM
Not great news for Trinity to start the game as co-captain WR Austin Bertness walks out for the toss in shorts.  His sure hands will be missed tonight.

Ouch this hurts. Big end zone target for the Tigers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 10, 2022, 07:52:11 PM
7-7 at half. Tigers have left at least 10 points on the field with a missed field goal and going for it on Wheaton's 4 yard line. They have contained Weeks completely on the ground; in the air, not so much. He has had two long receptions out of the back field - including a 40ish yarder at the end of the first half for a TD. Some penalties and containment issues on the QB have also hurt the Tigers. Sloppy Sloppy

My bias is showing, but I think the Tigers should be firmly in control of this game right now. Hopefully we start cruising in the second half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2022, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 10, 2022, 07:52:11 PM
7-7 at half. Tigers have left at least 10 points on the field with a missed field goal and going for it on Wheaton's 4 yard line. They have contained Weeks completely on the ground; in the air, not so much. He has had two long receptions out of the back field - including a 40ish yarder at the end of the first half for a TD. Some penalties and containment issues on the QB have also hurt the Tigers. Sloppy Sloppy

My bias is showing, but I think the Tigers should be firmly in control of this game right now. Hopefully we start cruising in the second half.

The only time Wheaton stopped Trinity in the first half was the last drive thanks to the sack at their 4 and the resulting conservative play calls.  Not sure why the live stats aren't working but Trinity had to have more than 200 yards offense in the first half.  But that TD at the end of the half had to raise Thunder spirits.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 10, 2022, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2022, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 10, 2022, 07:52:11 PM
7-7 at half. Tigers have left at least 10 points on the field with a missed field goal and going for it on Wheaton's 4 yard line. They have contained Weeks completely on the ground; in the air, not so much. He has had two long receptions out of the back field - including a 40ish yarder at the end of the first half for a TD. Some penalties and containment issues on the QB have also hurt the Tigers. Sloppy Sloppy

My bias is showing, but I think the Tigers should be firmly in control of this game right now. Hopefully we start cruising in the second half.

The only time Wheaton stopped Trinity in the first half was the last drive thanks to the sack at their 4 and the resulting conservative play calls.  Not sure why the live stats aren't working but Trinity had to have more than 200 yards offense in the first half.  But that TD at the end of the half had to raise Thunder spirits.

They finally updated. Tigers had 232 yards to Wheaton's 168. Both teams not doing much on the ground. Trinity has 28 yards rushing at 1.9 per rush; Wheaton has 39 yards at 2.8 per rush - 31 came on one scramble by the qb.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 10, 2022, 09:32:30 PM
Ugly win but we'll take it. Won't usually score only 17 points on 400 yards of offense. The two INTs were very bizarre.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 10, 2022, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2022, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on August 15, 2022, 09:18:42 PM

One of those five is Tyler Huettel, the All American punter that transferred to Trinity from St. Olaf this summer. (credit to Ron for reporting this). What I'm interested to see is who actually ends up being the starting punter.

Same. If I could have been sure he would be the starting punter, Huettel would have been our first-team pick.

Through two games, its been the Eli Gehman show. I know special teams are different, but I wonder how often an all american transfers schools and then rarely, if ever, sees the field at his new school.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 10, 2022, 11:32:02 PM
In other scores,   Centre beat Maryville 20-10 and Huntingdon beam B-SC, 38-35.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2022, 11:57:51 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 10, 2022, 09:32:30 PM
Ugly win but we'll take it. Won't usually score only 17 points on 400 yards of offense. The two INTs were very bizarre.

Tucker wasn't on his A game tonight.  The missed fourth down pass early wasn't close, nor were the two INTs.  Whatever the Thunder did in the second half got him to pull the ball down and run it, and then the TU game plan seemed to focus on running as the game progressed.  The team you thought would pass ran a lot and the team you thought would run ended up passing.

Interesting that Wheaton listed another QB as their probable starter tonight, I believe Jeremiah Tucker.  Will Bowers is a grad transfer from Liberty who in three years got into one game but compiled no stats.  Other than the fumble he was an effective QB.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2022, 01:08:35 AM
Just got home from the BSC-Huntingdon game.  For the first time in 4 years, Huntingdon took home the Wesley Cup, 38-35.  It was a back and forth game with Huntingdon getting the last score to take the victory.  It was a great crowd, BSC really needs to add on to our stadium. 

Congrats to Huntingdon, it's one hurt, but you guys earned it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2022, 01:55:54 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2022, 01:08:35 AM
Just got home from the BSC-Huntingdon game.  For the first time in 4 years, Huntingdon took home the Wesley Cup, 38-35.  It was a back and forth game with Huntingdon getting the last score to take the victory.  It was a great crowd, BSC really needs to add on to our stadium. 

Congrats to Huntingdon, it's one hurt, but you guys earned it.
If I remember the stadium, there is "no room" on the "visitor's side" to add seating.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2022, 09:10:55 AM
One (ok two) final observation(s) on last night's game in San Antonio:  Wheaton's pre-season D3football AA Giovanni Weeks was held to 31 yards on 14 carries (2.4ypc) and a TD; he added 5 receptions for 68 including a beautiful 36-yard catch and run up the middle where he caught the Tiger defense off guard.   In 2021, Weeks racked up over 1400 yards, averaging 133 yards/game on 16.3 carries/game (8.2 ypc).   WR Ben Bonga almost single-handedly made up for the anemic Thunder rushing attack; after seeing action in only one game last season (no receptions) the 6'2" sophomore hauled in 9 catches for 142 yards. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 11, 2022, 09:50:21 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2022, 09:10:55 AM
One (ok two) final observation(s) on last night's game in San Antonio:  Wheaton's pre-season D3football AA Giovanni Weeks was held to 31 yards on 14 carries (2.4ypc) and a TD; he added 5 receptions for 68 including a beautiful 36-yard catch and run up the middle where he caught the Tiger defense off guard.   In 2021, Weeks racked up over 1400 yards, averaging 133 yards/game on 16.3 carries/game (8.2 ypc).   WR Ben Bonga almost single-handedly made up for the anemic Thunder rushing attack; after seeing action in only one game last season (no receptions) the 6'2" sophomore hauled in 9 catches for 142 yards.

Weeks scored in overtime from a few yards out. Was held in check majority of the game. Their transfer QB did more with his legs on scrambling. Trinity needs to button that up. I will say Weeks has some burst and you could tell theres another gear in there than most of the league RBs lack....but it was still very hard for him to get around the two AA tiger LBs.

Their WRs were good and well coached. They  Ran great routes and fought for separation. I would like to add, all region CB King left the game, during height of the game, only to reappear the last drive. Appeared to be cramps and younger CBs got some action in a prime time spotlight match up. Awesome for the experience. However, Wheaton targeted him/them over and over.

Would also note a few TU starters-captains  did not start or finish the game. Wheaton had a few guys go down as well. I hope everyone is okay and that both teams are well for their conference matchups.

All in all, Trinity looked to be in control. However,!when you allow a good team to hang around, that's what you get. A battle. I know there were a lot of questions about this years Wheaton team....well they answered it tonight. They're goooood and I'd like to see them make some noise.

Trinity had a large BBQ on the lawn. Great atmosphere, food, and fellowship. Wheaton traveled well and were  also very loud! I enjoyed the few Wheaton fans I got visit and catch up with. I Wish everyone safe travels home and a great rest of their season. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 11, 2022, 10:05:20 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 10, 2022, 09:32:30 PM
Ugly win but we'll take it. Won't usually score only 17 points on 400 yards of offense. The two INTs were very bizarre.

I think the first one was put up there for a big play. The WR was battling with the CB. High safety came over and snagged it as they were trying to get position.

The second looked like the QB slipped. Maybe the ball Was slick or he threw off balance or something. Wide open WRs all over the end zone and he throws it to the Wheaton DBs. My wife asked who is he throwing it to?! I said not them! Wish I could rewatch it, but he could have tucked and ran that play for 20-30 yards....but if he didn't slip and they connected for a TD, the game would have been over.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2022, 01:55:54 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2022, 01:08:35 AM
Just got home from the BSC-Huntingdon game.  For the first time in 4 years, Huntingdon took home the Wesley Cup, 38-35.  It was a back and forth game with Huntingdon getting the last score to take the victory.  It was a great crowd, BSC really needs to add on to our stadium. 

Congrats to Huntingdon, it's one hurt, but you guys earned it.
If I remember the stadium, there is "no room" on the "visitor's side" to add seating.

Currently there is nothing on the visitor side, completely one sided stadium, everyone sits on the "home" side.  We did have very small, rec park benches brought in for this game for the Huntingdon band, but all that did was give Huntingdon more of a home atmosphere.  With the way home side is built, not sure how you would increase the size, but something needs to be figured out, we sell out every game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 11, 2022, 11:28:44 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2022, 01:55:54 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2022, 01:08:35 AM
Just got home from the BSC-Huntingdon game.  For the first time in 4 years, Huntingdon took home the Wesley Cup, 38-35.  It was a back and forth game with Huntingdon getting the last score to take the victory.  It was a great crowd, BSC really needs to add on to our stadium. 

Congrats to Huntingdon, it's one hurt, but you guys earned it.
If I remember the stadium, there is "no room" on the "visitor's side" to add seating.

Currently there is nothing on the visitor side, completely one sided stadium, everyone sits on the "home" side.  We did have very small, rec park benches brought in for this game for the Huntingdon band, but all that did was give Huntingdon more of a home atmosphere.  With the way home side is built, not sure how you would increase the size, but something needs to be figured out, we sell out every game.

I remember playing BSC in a baseball stadium and their current stadium. Fun atmosphere for both.

We also played Huntingdon and got spanked. Idk if they still have natty grass but that was one of the fastest, better maintained fields I'd ever played on.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on September 11, 2022, 12:42:15 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on September 11, 2022, 11:28:44 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2022, 01:55:54 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2022, 01:08:35 AM
Just got home from the BSC-Huntingdon game.  For the first time in 4 years, Huntingdon took home the Wesley Cup, 38-35.  It was a back and forth game with Huntingdon getting the last score to take the victory.  It was a great crowd, BSC really needs to add on to our stadium. 

Congrats to Huntingdon, it's one hurt, but you guys earned it.
If I remember the stadium, there is "no room" on the "visitor's side" to add seating.

Currently there is nothing on the visitor side, completely one sided stadium, everyone sits on the "home" side.  We did have very small, rec park benches brought in for this game for the Huntingdon band, but all that did was give Huntingdon more of a home atmosphere.  With the way home side is built, not sure how you would increase the size, but something needs to be figured out, we sell out every game.

I remember playing BSC in a baseball stadium and their current stadium. Fun atmosphere for both.

We also played Huntingdon and got spanked. Idk if they still have natty grass but that was one of the fastest, better maintained fields I'd ever played on.
BSC had seating on the visitor's side the first time we played there in' 09. I don't know why they got rid of it.
'09 was also the last season we had the natural grass. I think it rained every home game that year and it was pretty much shredded by the end of the year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 11, 2022, 09:52:44 PM
Hard to imagine a more even game than TU-Wheaton last night.  Almost freaky.  Stats were essentially equal and both teams rose and fell throughout the evening.

The TU fans and students were the loudest and most exuberant that I can remember.  Wheaton was amply represented as well with maybe 300 fans on the far side.  Also, extremely energetic and loud.  A very impressive showing.  Met a few in the gym next door before the game and they couldn't have been nicer.

This was a very smart scheduling move for Trinity as the team has now faced as tough an adversary as they are likely to all year.  It should improve their success through the conference portion of the schedule, and they now know what awaits come playoff time.

One other weird similarity: both Trinity and UMHB (at UW-Whitewater) were stopped at the goal line after three conservative run calls and a missed (dropped/knocked down) pass on 4th down.  If either of those scores had happened, the result likely would have been much different.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2022, 10:10:15 PM
This was the first time since the stadium was expanded before last season that the Trinity home crowd showed up in numbers sufficient to take advantage of all the extra space.  Even the hospitality suite was packed.  The pregame tailgate/BBQ was a great way to get the student body involved.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: USee on September 11, 2022, 11:31:49 PM
Congrats Tigers on a great win. A great experience for both teams. I thought overall the game was pretty even, despite all the what-ifs (those work both ways ya know). Horn is a great QB with experienced skill players around him and I thought Trinity has great team speed overall. They committed to attacking the LOS to stop Weeks and it worked. Both defenses played outstanding all night.

Good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 12, 2022, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on September 11, 2022, 09:52:44 PM
One other weird similarity: both Trinity and UMHB (at UW-Whitewater) were stopped at the goal line after three conservative run calls and a missed (dropped/knocked down) pass on 4th down.  If either of those scores had happened, the result likely would have been much different.

Even crazier is that I believe Trinity and UMHB each stopped UWW and Wheaton down on the goal line as well.

Trinity barley missed a field goal. Home side and visitor side both cheered it was so close. Wheaton then goes down the field and barley missed a field goal with the doink on FG left goalpost upright.


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2022, 09:23:57 PM
Apropos of nothing, but somewhat surprisingly the "Black Flag" has made an appearance again in San Antonio.  And instead of being a 2'x3' job carried onto the field by a defender before the start of the game, it's a full-sized job hanging behind the defensive bench.  It was there both games so far this season.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 14, 2022, 11:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2022, 01:55:54 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2022, 01:08:35 AM
Just got home from the BSC-Huntingdon game.  For the first time in 4 years, Huntingdon took home the Wesley Cup, 38-35.  It was a back and forth game with Huntingdon getting the last score to take the victory.  It was a great crowd, BSC really needs to add on to our stadium. 

Congrats to Huntingdon, it's one hurt, but you guys earned it.
If I remember the stadium, there is "no room" on the "visitor's side" to add seating.

when I played there I remember there being a hill or berm one end zone side that folks could sit in near the home tailgate area...but maybe the track pushes it too far away to be worth posting up for an aerial view.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 15, 2022, 08:05:08 AM
My tailgate spot is on the hill, it's a great place to watch the game.  We don't even go into the stadium, just watch from our tailgate.  There is no attendance numbers for the game, but the stadium was standing room only, there were fans on the wall behind the south end zone, tailgating spots on the hill were all packed with people.  Easily largest crowd I've seen there, and they were loud.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 15, 2022, 08:37:12 AM
I like it.  Back to the days of consistent success.  I need to wander over to the visitor's side to see it!

Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2022, 09:23:57 PM
Apropos of nothing, but somewhat surprisingly the "Black Flag" has made an appearance again in San Antonio.  And instead of being a 2'x3' job carried onto the field by a defender before the start of the game, it's a full-sized job hanging behind the defensive bench.  It was there both games so far this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2022, 12:22:30 PM
Berry QB Gavin Gray is a guest on this week's In The (D3FB) Huddle (https://twitter.com/D3FBHuddle) preview and picks show (https://t.co/ZtM3FBCMiA) (video) - (audio (https://t.co/uixwIuQH7H)).

Edit:  the Gavin Gray segment starts just before the ten minute mark.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2022, 11:10:58 AM
Some interesting games in this, the next-to-last weekend before SAA play gets underway.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: brewhawk on September 17, 2022, 02:24:12 PM
Berry looks tough trailing 14-3  at half.  Defense looks tired, let's see how much it affects them in the 2nd half. UWW looks flat as if they just spent 14 hrs on a bus.

Pound the rock!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2022, 03:29:23 PM
Berry hanging tough against the UW-W run and drove to the UW-W 4 after the Warhawks had missed a short FG.  Unfortunately three straight incomplete passes resulted in a turnover on downs.   17-3 UW-W mid Q4.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 17, 2022, 04:12:41 PM
Wasn't able to catch the UWW/Berry game but purely from the score, it looked like Berry put up a decent fight. Any post-game comments from anybody able to catch it?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: brewhawk on September 17, 2022, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 17, 2022, 04:12:41 PM
Wasn't able to catch the UWW/Berry game but purely from the score, it looked like Berry put up a decent fight. Any post-game comments from anybody able to catch it?

Berry was a quality opponent, but I don't think the game was as close as the scoreboard said. I think UWW was playing not to lose, instead of running score up.

Also, note to announcers, please do your research when you allude to the reason you lost is because UWW is a state school. They aren't even the biggest in their conference, let alone D3. UWW hasn't won the championship since (checking notes ) 2014 and small private schools have won since. The past  Also alluded to state schools have more advantages than Berry (Bull****). Georgia has more potential recruits than anywhere and not UWW fault they can't keep them.

Hats off to Berry for scheduling this game. Hope they learned from it and what they need to do to get to the next level.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 17, 2022, 05:12:55 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2022, 11:10:58 AM
Some interesting games in this, the next-to-last weekend before SAA play gets underway.

  • Westminister (MO) (0-2) at Sewanee (1-1) - Blue Jays, who have scored a total of six points in two games, should give Tigers an excellent shot at win #2 in 2022
Sewanee 41 - Westminster 6.    Went pretty much as expected.

Quote from: brewhawk on September 17, 2022, 04:24:06 PM
Also, note to announcers, please do your research when you allude to the reason you lost is because UWW is a state school. They aren't even the biggest in their conference, let alone D3. UWW hasn't won the championship since (checking notes ) 2014 and small private schools have won since. The past  Also alluded to state schools have more advantages than Berry (Bull****). Georgia has more potential recruits than anywhere and not UWW fault they can't keep them.

Very true.   Berry has drawn well both academically and athletically from the Atlanta area schools.   Strong football in that area from the big high schools down into the smaller private high schools.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 17, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
Quote from: brewhawk on September 17, 2022, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 17, 2022, 04:12:41 PM
Wasn't able to catch the UWW/Berry game but purely from the score, it looked like Berry put up a decent fight. Any post-game comments from anybody able to catch it?

Berry was a quality opponent, but I don't think the game was as close as the scoreboard said. I think UWW was playing not to lose, instead of running score up.

Also, note to announcers, please do your research when you allude to the reason you lost is because UWW is a state school. They aren't even the biggest in their conference, let alone D3. UWW hasn't won the championship since (checking notes ) 2014 and small private schools have won since. The past  Also alluded to state schools have more advantages than Berry (Bull****). Georgia has more potential recruits than anywhere and not UWW fault they can't keep them.

Hats off to Berry for scheduling this game. Hope they learned from it and what they need to do to get to the next level.

Watched all but one series (1st after halftime). Berry has a stout defense! They also have some very talented skill players on offense...the few times they were able to get into space showed. It amazed me how well they did defending the run. UWW converted a ton of 3rd downs to extend drives and overtime wore Berry down. I actually think the game was closer than the score reflected due to poor offensive plays from both sides. UWW connected on a couple long broken Pass plays where as Berry didnt. To me that proved to be the only difference...outside the visual size difference of UWWs OL and better QB play at times.

Yes,, I agree UWW didn't look like machine their fans are used to seeing, but Berry did a great job in responding to their loss to UWW last year. You can tell they're making strides and scheduling the UWWs will help the team grow.

Looking back I think Berry was 0-4 in the red zone. UWW missed two FGs. Both teams each had a fumble and interception that killed drives. Berry may not have won the stat sheet but they were still always in the game thanks to the defense. Even at the end of the game.

All in all it was a slow game. Berry played to win and lost by going for it on 4th downs or playing the field position battle. UWW played to not lose and we're getting stuffed in the backfield majority of the game. I think Berry opened a lot of people's eyes today.

I hope the players that left the game didn't suffer any sever injuries.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: brewhawk on September 17, 2022, 06:47:11 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on September 17, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
Quote from: brewhawk on September 17, 2022, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 17, 2022, 04:12:41 PM
Wasn't able to catch the UWW/Berry game but purely from the score, it looked like Berry put up a decent fight. Any post-game comments from anybody able to catch it?

Berry was a quality opponent, but I don't think the game was as close as the scoreboard said. I think UWW was playing not to lose, instead of running score up.

Also, note to announcers, please do your research when you allude to the reason you lost is because UWW is a state school. They aren't even the biggest in their conference, let alone D3. UWW hasn't won the championship since (checking notes ) 2014 and small private schools have won since. The past  Also alluded to state schools have more advantages than Berry (Bull****). Georgia has more potential recruits than anywhere and not UWW fault they can't keep them.

Hats off to Berry for scheduling this game. Hope they learned from it and what they need to do to get to the next level.

Watched all but one series (1st after halftime). Berry has a stout defense! They also have some very talented skill players on offense...the few times they were able to get into space showed. It amazed me how well they did defending the run. UWW converted a ton of 3rd downs to extend drives and overtime wore Berry down. I actually think the game was closer than the score reflected due to poor offensive plays from both sides. UWW connected on a couple long broken Pass plays where as Berry didnt. To me that proved to be the only difference...outside the visual size difference of UWWs OL and better QB play at times.

Yes,, I agree UWW didn't look like machine their fans are used to seeing, but Berry did a great job in responding to their loss to UWW last year. You can tell they're making strides and scheduling the UWWs will help the team grow.

Looking back I think Berry was 0-4 in the red zone. UWW missed two FGs. Both teams each had a fumble and interception that killed drives. Berry may not have won the stat sheet but they were still always in the game thanks to the defense. Even at the end of the game.

All in all it was a slow game. Berry played to win and lost by going for it on 4th downs or playing the field position battle. UWW played to not lose and we're getting stuffed in the backfield majority of the game. I think Berry opened a lot of people's eyes today.

I hope the players that left the game didn't suffer any sever injuries.

I don't think you're far off cowboy. Berry is a good team, watching UWW like I do, they played. It to lose.  Berry is a good team no doubt. They proved it today that they can pester a top 5 team. But the big thing that stands out to me is 3.  Couldn't score when they needed to. Berry is a playoff team but can they get out of the first round....maybe.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: brewhawk on September 17, 2022, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: brewhawk on September 17, 2022, 06:47:11 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on September 17, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
Quote from: brewhawk on September 17, 2022, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 17, 2022, 04:12:41 PM
Wasn't able to catch the UWW/Berry game but purely from the score, it looked like Berry put up a decent fight. Any post-game comments from anybody able to catch it?

Berry was a quality opponent, but I don't think the game was as close as the scoreboard said. I think UWW was playing not to lose, instead of running score up.

Also, note to announcers, please do your research when you allude to the reason you lost is because UWW is a state school. They aren't even the biggest in their conference, let alone D3. UWW hasn't won the championship since (checking notes ) 2014 and small private schools have won since. The past  Also alluded to state schools have more advantages than Berry (Bull****). Georgia has more potential recruits than anywhere and not UWW fault they can't keep them.

Hats off to Berry for scheduling this game. Hope they learned from it and what they need to do to get to the next level.

Watched all but one series (1st after halftime). Berry has a stout defense! They also have some very talented skill players on offense...the few times they were able to get into space showed. It amazed me how well they did defending the run. UWW converted a ton of 3rd downs to extend drives and overtime wore Berry down. I actually think the game was closer than the score reflected due to poor offensive plays from both sides. UWW connected on a couple long broken Pass plays where as Berry didnt. To me that proved to be the only difference...outside the visual size difference of UWWs OL and better QB play at times.

Yes,, I agree UWW didn't look like machine their fans are used to seeing, but Berry did a great job in responding to their loss to UWW last year. You can tell they're making strides and scheduling the UWWs will help the team grow.

Looking back I think Berry was 0-4 in the red zone. UWW missed two FGs. Both teams each had a fumble and interception that killed drives. Berry may not have won the stat sheet but they were still always in the game thanks to the defense. Even at the end of the game.

All in all it was a slow game. Berry played to win and lost by going for it on 4th downs or playing the field position battle. UWW played to not lose and we're getting stuffed in the backfield majority of the game. I think Berry opened a lot of people's eyes today.

I hope the players that left the game didn't suffer any sever injuries.

I don't think you're far off cowboy. Berry is a good team, watching UWW like I do, they played it not to lose.  Berry is a good team no doubt. They proved it today that they can pester a top 5 team. But the big thing that stands out to me is 3.  Couldn't score when they needed to. Berry is a playoff team but can they get out of the first round....maybe.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 17, 2022, 07:11:54 PM
The bizarre INTs continue for Horn. Forcing it when he absolutely doesn't need to. Has now matched his INT total from last year through three games this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on September 18, 2022, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on September 17, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
Quote from: brewhawk on September 17, 2022, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 17, 2022, 04:12:41 PM
Wasn't able to catch the UWW/Berry game but purely from the score, it looked like Berry put up a decent fight. Any post-game comments from anybody able to catch it?

Berry was a quality opponent, but I don't think the game was as close as the scoreboard said. I think UWW was playing not to lose, instead of running score up.

Also, note to announcers, please do your research when you allude to the reason you lost is because UWW is a state school. They aren't even the biggest in their conference, let alone D3. UWW hasn't won the championship since (checking notes ) 2014 and small private schools have won since. The past  Also alluded to state schools have more advantages than Berry (Bull****). Georgia has more potential recruits than anywhere and not UWW fault they can't keep them.

Hats off to Berry for scheduling this game. Hope they learned from it and what they need to do to get to the next level.

Watched all but one series (1st after halftime). Berry has a stout defense! They also have some very talented skill players on offense...the few times they were able to get into space showed. It amazed me how well they did defending the run. UWW converted a ton of 3rd downs to extend drives and overtime wore Berry down. I actually think the game was closer than the score reflected due to poor offensive plays from both sides. UWW connected on a couple long broken Pass plays where as Berry didnt. To me that proved to be the only difference...outside the visual size difference of UWWs OL and better QB play at times.

Yes,, I agree UWW didn't look like machine their fans are used to seeing, but Berry did a great job in responding to their loss to UWW last year. You can tell they're making strides and scheduling the UWWs will help the team grow.

Looking back I think Berry was 0-4 in the red zone. UWW missed two FGs. Both teams each had a fumble and interception that killed drives. Berry may not have won the stat sheet but they were still always in the game thanks to the defense. Even at the end of the game.

All in all it was a slow game. Berry played to win and lost by going for it on 4th downs or playing the field position battle. UWW played to not lose and we're getting stuffed in the backfield majority of the game. I think Berry opened a lot of people's eyes today.

I hope the players that left the game didn't suffer any sever injuries.

I agree with you on most of this post. A couple of comments on the bolded sections.  First, what do you mean by "long broken pass plays". I'm not sure what that means because they most certainly weren't broken coverages. It was a case of our guys beating their guys deep.  Berry played downhill and packed the line all afternoon. I do believe it's true that too often we didn't execute well enough to take advantage of that. It was a good strategy because it negated our run game for the most part. However, the cost of packing people in can be vulnerability on the back end. We have the QB and WRs to make people pay for doing that.

As far as "being in the game" until the end, that is a matter of perspective. As a Berry fan, there was hope because they were only down by a couple of scores.  As a UW-W fan, you really didn't worry about them scoring on you, even if they were in the red zone, so it was a matter of focusing on whether we would "only" win 17-3 or whether we could add a score or two to make the result more resounding. I'm guessing that after UW-W went up 14-0 at no point did any UW-W fans have any concerns about losing the game. It was just a matter if the offense would kick it into gear and turn it into a blowout.  Credit to Berry that they did not. I was really impressed with their quickness and athleticism on both offense and defense.

Otherwise, I agree with this post. Berry deserves a ton of credit. I will be rooting for them, not just this year, but beyond.  Anyone who will schedule a Top 5 program with the idea of getting better deserves a lot of credit. Beautiful campus and really nice people down there.

Good luck the rest of the way!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2022, 10:05:26 AM
Thoughts after yesterday's results:

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2022, 07:19:12 PM
The latest D3football.com Top 25 (https://www.d3football.com/top25/2022/week3) is out.  One voter gave #7 Trinity a first place vote (!) - not only the first it has *ever* received since the poll was initiated in 2003, but the first time a team ranked as low as #7 ever received a first-place vote (#6 Hardin-Simmons also got one, also the first time a #6 team received one) - [edit] h/t to Pat for pointing all that out on Twitter.   And no, I don't have a vote, and as much as I love my guys wouldn't put them as #1 this week if I did. 

(RV) Berry actually picked up 4 points despite the loss; one reason I love the D3football.com voters is they actually think about their votes instead of slamming a team that loses to a higher-ranked opponent.  Centre is the only other SAA school to receive a (single) vote. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2022, 11:52:55 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2022, 07:19:12 PM
The latest D3football.com Top 25 (https://www.d3football.com/top25/2022/week3) is out.  One voter gave #7 Trinity a first place vote (!) - not only the first it has *ever* received since the poll was initiated in 2003, but the first time a team ranked as low as #7 ever received a first-place vote (#6 Hardin-Simmons also got one, also the first time a #6 team received one) - [edit] h/t to Pat for pointing all that out on Twitter.   And no, I don't have a vote, and as much as I love my guys wouldn't put them as #1 this week if I did. 

(RV) Berry actually picked up 4 points despite the loss; one reason I love the D3football.com voters is they actually think about their votes instead of slamming a team that loses to a higher-ranked opponent.  Centre is the only other SAA school to receive a (single) vote.

If Wheaton IL beats NCC in 2 weeks, then that vote makes sense.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 19, 2022, 01:25:02 PM
If* they do, then Wheaton will need to receive a couple votes as well...with a (-1) OT loss - first game and on the road....
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on September 19, 2022, 01:41:17 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on September 19, 2022, 01:25:02 PM
If* they do, then Wheaton will need to receive a couple votes as well...with a (-1) OT loss - first game and on the road....

If Wheaton beats NCC, then D-III is officially a mess! (In a good way!)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2022, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 19, 2022, 01:41:17 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on September 19, 2022, 01:25:02 PM
If* they do, then Wheaton will need to receive a couple votes as well...with a (-1) OT loss - first game and on the road....

If Wheaton beats NCC, then D-III is officially a mess! (In a good way!)
+1!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 23, 2022, 05:16:41 PM
updated SAA postseason odds from Logan Hansen.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdXPlZzXoAEofui?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 05:18:06 PM
With Bethel beating St. John's, if UMHB beats Hardin Simmons soundly, there is a chance Trinity could jump into the top 3-4 on a bye-week due to all of the "this team beat this team who lost to this team, etc." Maybe not, but we'll see how it plays out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 05:18:06 PM
With Bethel beating St. John's, if UMHB beats Hardin Simmons soundly, there is a chance Trinity could jump into the top 3-4 on a bye-week due to all of the "this team beat this team who lost to this team, etc." Maybe not, but we'll see how it plays out.

Welp, it happened. But, the one caveat to this is that Wheaton didn't look all that good against Augustana tonight, despite a monster 229 yard rushing night from Weeks. They had a 21 point lead going into the 4th quarterbut then got conservative, which let Augustana back in the game. Defense looked its age in the second half. So, not sure if this will affect the voters' thoughts on Trinity.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2022, 11:37:06 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 05:18:06 PM
With Bethel beating St. John's, if UMHB beats Hardin Simmons soundly, there is a chance Trinity could jump into the top 3-4 on a bye-week due to all of the "this team beat this team who lost to this team, etc." Maybe not, but we'll see how it plays out.

Welp, it happened. But, the one caveat to this is that Wheaton didn't look all that good against Augustana tonight, despite a monster 229 yard rushing night from Weeks. They had a 21 point lead going into the 4th quarterbut then got conservative, which let Augustana back in the game. Defense looked its age in the second half. So, not sure if this will affect the voters' thoughts on Trinity.
Please remember, tigerguy, the D3football.com Top 25 has no impact on the Regional Rankings which will come out after Week #9.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 25, 2022, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2022, 11:37:06 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 05:18:06 PM
With Bethel beating St. John's, if UMHB beats Hardin Simmons soundly, there is a chance Trinity could jump into the top 3-4 on a bye-week due to all of the "this team beat this team who lost to this team, etc." Maybe not, but we'll see how it plays out.

Welp, it happened. But, the one caveat to this is that Wheaton didn't look all that good against Augustana tonight, despite a monster 229 yard rushing night from Weeks. They had a 21 point lead going into the 4th quarterbut then got conservative, which let Augustana back in the game. Defense looked its age in the second half. So, not sure if this will affect the voters' thoughts on Trinity.
Please remember, tigerguy, the D3football.com Top 25 has no impact on the Regional Rankings which will come out after Week #9.

Oh yes I know. I just want to see Trinity get into the top 4 so that I can complain to a brick wall when they are still ranked behind both UMHB and HSU somehow when the regional rankings come out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 25, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 25, 2022, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2022, 11:37:06 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 05:18:06 PM
With Bethel beating St. John's, if UMHB beats Hardin Simmons soundly, there is a chance Trinity could jump into the top 3-4 on a bye-week due to all of the "this team beat this team who lost to this team, etc." Maybe not, but we'll see how it plays out.

Welp, it happened. But, the one caveat to this is that Wheaton didn't look all that good against Augustana tonight, despite a monster 229 yard rushing night from Weeks. They had a 21 point lead going into the 4th quarterbut then got conservative, which let Augustana back in the game. Defense looked its age in the second half. So, not sure if this will affect the voters' thoughts on Trinity.
Please remember, tigerguy, the D3football.com Top 25 has no impact on the Regional Rankings which will come out after Week #9.

Oh yes I know. I just want to see Trinity get into the top 4 so that I can complain to a brick wall when they are still ranked behind both UMHB and HSU somehow when the regional rankings come out.

I don't see Trinity being ranked behind the ASC, if Trinity is undefeated. The concern or unfortunate possibility is Trinity hosting UMHB first round, because Hardin-Simmons may be left out again. That would pit possibly two Top 7 teams in the 1st round.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 25, 2022, 12:21:52 PM
"hosting" UMHB.  Like the sound of that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 25, 2022, 05:30:49 PM
Trinity breaks into the top 5 in latest poll released on D3FB

https://www.d3football.com/top25/2022/week4
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2022, 05:51:48 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on September 25, 2022, 05:30:49 PM
Trinity breaks into the top 5 in latest poll released on D3FB

https://www.d3football.com/top25/2022/week4

JUST.  I was surprised they passed St John's given the love everyone seems to have for them (and they've earned it).  But the margin is small and any non-impressive win will probably mean enough votes lost for the two to swap places.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 25, 2022, 05:57:23 PM
on another note from last weekend's games, can't say that i saw a Centre loss to Trine coming (although it looks like Trine is a solid team this year).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 25, 2022, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: albatross on September 25, 2022, 05:57:23 PM
on another note from last weekend's games, can't say that i saw a Centre loss to Trine coming (although it looks like Trine is a solid team this year).

Not sure what is more shocking.the fact Trine isn't receiving votes at 4-0 or that half the teams last week that earned #1 votes lost them this week due to the top shake down between the STJ loss and HSU loss.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2022, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on September 25, 2022, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: albatross on September 25, 2022, 05:57:23 PM
on another note from last weekend's games, can't say that i saw a Centre loss to Trine coming (although it looks like Trine is a solid team this year).

Not sure what is more shocking.the fact Trine isn't receiving votes at 4-0 or that half the teams last week that earned #1 votes lost them this week due to the top shake down between the STJ loss and HSU loss.

Trine's 3 prior wins against teams a cumulative 0-9, and not in dominating fashion.  Centre's 2 W's also not terribly impressive, looking like fool's gold.  Watched the tail end of the game, Centre drove pretty easily to the 1 against Trine's 2s and 3s but the Thunder  put the first string back in on the goal line and immediately forced a fumble which they recovered.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2022, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: FANOFD3 on September 25, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 25, 2022, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2022, 11:37:06 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2022, 05:18:06 PM
With Bethel beating St. John's, if UMHB beats Hardin Simmons soundly, there is a chance Trinity could jump into the top 3-4 on a bye-week due to all of the "this team beat this team who lost to this team, etc." Maybe not, but we'll see how it plays out.

Welp, it happened. But, the one caveat to this is that Wheaton didn't look all that good against Augustana tonight, despite a monster 229 yard rushing night from Weeks. They had a 21 point lead going into the 4th quarterbut then got conservative, which let Augustana back in the game. Defense looked its age in the second half. So, not sure if this will affect the voters' thoughts on Trinity.
Please remember, tigerguy, the D3football.com Top 25 has no impact on the Regional Rankings which will come out after Week #9.

Oh yes I know. I just want to see Trinity get into the top 4 so that I can complain to a brick wall when they are still ranked behind both UMHB and HSU somehow when the regional rankings come out.

I don't see Trinity being ranked behind the ASC, if Trinity is undefeated. The concern or unfortunate possibility is Trinity hosting UMHB first round, because Hardin-Simmons may be left out again. That would pit possibly two Top 7 5 teams in the 1st round.
Yep. Book 'em Danno! If both win out, I see nothing to displace them. Berry and BSC are both respectable.

And then Linfield flies in for the 2nd round game.

And, if LaCrosse beats UWW, does 2-loss UWW stay home?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SW1 on September 26, 2022, 01:31:00 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on September 25, 2022, 12:21:52 PM
"hosting" UMHB.  Like the sound of that.
Said noone ever! Good luck with that one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 26, 2022, 08:57:49 AM
I'm sure you're right...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 26, 2022, 10:38:34 AM
Hosting is better than going to them.  If it all plays out right, we could have a replay of last season first round playoffs, except we play at opposite campuses.  Trinity could host UMHB and BSC could go to play at Huntingdon.  At least that is what I'm hoping for at this point,
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SW1 on September 26, 2022, 03:43:27 PM
So you think the winner of the ASC would have to travel in the first round? That sounds like some bias the Committee might attempt but pretty unlikely. Not that a game with Trinity won't happen but not sure the two conference winners should play first round again. Also know that HSU is a lot better than that score Sat. Things just got away from them and the Cru capitalized on those mistakes. It happens, just ask North Central.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2022, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: SW1 on September 26, 2022, 03:43:27 PM
So you think the winner of the ASC would have to travel in the first round? That sounds like some bias the Committee might attempt but pretty unlikely. Not that a game with Trinity won't happen but not sure the two conference winners should play first round again. Also know that HSU is a lot better than that score Sat. Things just got away from them and the Cru capitalized on those mistakes. It happens, just ask North Central.

If both Trinity and UMHB win their respective conferences and no other team within 600 miles makes the playoffs (e.g. HSU gets screwed again) then you can bet your last NCAA travel dollar that they'll face off in the first round. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2022, 04:01:51 PM
I am not sure why we have to leap to "bias" as the immediate answer to everything. It's the committee being hamstrung by Division III's rules and financing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 26, 2022, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2022, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: SW1 on September 26, 2022, 03:43:27 PM
So you think the winner of the ASC would have to travel in the first round? That sounds like some bias the Committee might attempt but pretty unlikely. Not that a game with Trinity won't happen but not sure the two conference winners should play first round again. Also know that HSU is a lot better than that score Sat. Things just got away from them and the Cru capitalized on those mistakes. It happens, just ask North Central.

If both Trinity and UMHB win their respective conferences and no other team within 600 miles makes the playoffs (e.g. HSU gets screwed again) then you can bet your last NCAA travel dollar that they'll face off in the first round.

Would really love folks to turn the page on this.  HSU did not get screwed last year.  They were ranked fifth in their own region.  The criteria never supported their selection. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2022, 04:15:01 PM
If you are a supporter of a team in this region (or the West) there are plenty of times that teams are negatively impacted by by factors that teams in the rest of the country almost never face.  That colors other decisions made, reasonable or not.  Come support a team out here for three decades and I guarantee that you would understand our feelings on this and that "page turning" is an easier thing to say than to internalize.

The fact that HSU was fifth by the criteria merely points out the criteria aren't perfect. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on September 26, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2022, 04:15:01 PM
If you are a supporter of a team in this region (or the West) there are plenty of times that teams are negatively impacted by by factors that teams in the rest of the country almost never face.  That colors other decisions made, reasonable or not.  Come support a team out here for three decades and I guarantee that you would understand our feelings on this and that "page turning" is an easier thing to say than to internalize.

The fact that HSU was fifth by the criteria merely points out the criteria aren't perfect.

Amen!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2022, 05:13:46 PM
The committee will ameliorate the playoff situation with the criteria.
RR#2 RMC will host someone for the 1st 2 rounds.

It will be Reg3 #1 TUTx hosting 1-loss RR#3 UMHB.

Just once I would love to meet an ODAC in the playoffs.
Some players were born the last time that happened.

(I can't remember when that game happened.)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 26, 2022, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2022, 05:13:46 PM
The committee will ameliorate the playoff situation with the criteria.
RR#2 RMC will host someone for the 1st 2 rounds.

It will be Reg3 #1 TUTx hosting 1-loss RR#3 UMHB.

Just once I would love to meet an ODAC in the playoffs.
Some players were born the last time that happened.

(I can't remember when that game happened.)

Looking at the record book,  aren't you thinking of Bridgewater in 2002?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2022, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 26, 2022, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2022, 05:13:46 PM
The committee will ameliorate the playoff situation with the criteria.
RR#2 RMC will host someone for the 1st 2 rounds.

It will be Reg3 #1 TUTx hosting 1-loss RR#3 UMHB.

Just once I would love to meet an ODAC in the playoffs.
Some players were born the last time that happened.

(I can't remember when that game happened.)

Looking at the record book,  aren't you thinking of Bridgewater in 2002?
Yes, thank you. +1!
20 years ago.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2022, 10:15:54 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2022, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 26, 2022, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2022, 05:13:46 PM
The committee will ameliorate the playoff situation with the criteria.
RR#2 RMC will host someone for the 1st 2 rounds.

It will be Reg3 #1 TUTx hosting 1-loss RR#3 UMHB.

Just once I would love to meet an ODAC in the playoffs.
Some players were born the last time that happened.

(I can't remember when that game happened.)

Looking at the record book,  aren't you thinking of Bridgewater in 2002?
Yes, thank you. +1!
20 years ago.

Back in the days of the "Kid", Matt Barnhart (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?action=profile;u=6090).  Last posted in 2019, last logged in March 2021.    Good times. 

According to LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-a-barnhart/), Matt is now Director, Recreational Competition for the United States Tennis Association.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2022, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2022, 05:13:46 PM
The committee will ameliorate the playoff situation with the criteria.
RR#2 RMC will host someone for the 1st 2 rounds.

It will be Reg3 #1 TUTx hosting 1-loss RR#3 UMHB.

Just once I would love to meet an ODAC in the playoffs.
Some players were born the last time that happened.

(I can't remember when that game happened.)

There are four brackets, not six. A 2 in a region is in no way guaranteed two home games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2022, 05:25:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2022, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2022, 05:13:46 PM
The committee will ameliorate the playoff situation with the criteria.
RR#2 RMC will host someone for the 1st 2 rounds.

It will be Reg3 #1 TUTx hosting 1-loss RR#3 UMHB.

Just once I would love to meet an ODAC in the playoffs.
Some players were born the last time that happened.

(I can't remember when that game happened.)

There are four brackets, not six. A 2 in a region is in no way guaranteed two home games.
Thanks. Region 3 #2 and Region 1 #2 might be the regions whose #2 fails to get the second hiome game....
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2022, 08:10:36 AM
News and notes (https://saa-sports.com/news/2022/9/28/field-hockey-saa-sports-report-sept-27.aspx) from the conference office:

POTW:

OffenseLuke Macias / Rhodes / Sr. / Fort Worth, Texas Macias threw for 216 yards and a touchdown in leading Rhodes to a 56-6 win over Westminster. He hit on 14 of 17 passes, including a 26-yard TD throw in the third quarter to put the Lynx ahead 49-0. On the ground, Macias totaled three carries for 33 yards, including a 24-yard scramble. 

Defense: Garrett Smith / Birmingham-Southern / Sr. / Mobile, Ala. Smith was all over the field for BSC in a 34-14 win over Point University. The senior defensive lineman totaled five tackles, including one for loss. In the fourth, he blew through the Westminster offensive line and recorded a strip sack to force a Point punt. Smith also filled the stat sheet with a pass breakup. 

Special Teams: Zach Ford / Birmingham-Southern / Sr. / Calera, Ala. Ford was perfect on all six kicking attempts in the Panthers win over Point University. He was 2-for-2 in field goals, including a 22-yarder and career-long 42-yard bomb in the third quarter, to give BSC a 13-point lead. Ford also hit all four PAT attempts.

Notes:
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2022, 10:02:05 AM
This week's games, all teams playing their SAA opener:

#5/#6 Trinity (3-0) at Hendrix (1-2) - on paper this doesn't look like it should be much of a game, but it is a 600-mile bus trip for the visitors.  Hendrix, still smarting from giving up 119 to WashU and HPU on the road, hoping for a performance more in line with their 20-0 home opener against Austin (0-3).  Trinity will try to get the passing attack back to last year's standard.

Centre (2-1) at Rhodes (2-1) - could be one of the better games of the week.  Colonels will try to rebound from a disappointing performance at Trine (4-0) while the Lynx try to continue the momentum that has them on a two-game winning streak, albeit against teams with a combined 0-7 record.

Millsaps (1-2) at Sewanee (2-1) - Tigers could be favored to capture their first SAA win since 2018 against a Major squad with only a win against hapless McMurry on the plus side of the register this season.  There's no doubt Millsaps has faced stiffer competition so far, as Sewanee's two wins were against teams with one win between them while the Majors have lost to Belhaven and UW-Oshkosh. 

Berry (2-1) at Birmingham-Southern (3-0) - obviously the SAA Game of the Week; the loser will have to win all its remaining games and hope for help to win the SAA's Pool A.  A second loss for Berry, who fared much better against UW-Whitewater compared to last year, would push them out of the Pool C conversation.  A loss for either would force the team into a must-win situation at Trinity next month (tbh the same is true of the winner). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 28, 2022, 12:02:08 PM
Great rundown, Ron.  Thanks (and for the stat rundown as well)!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 28, 2022, 10:04:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2022, 10:02:05 AM
This week's games, all teams playing their SAA opener:
...
Millsaps (1-2) at Sewanee (2-1) - Tigers could be favored to capture their first SAA win since 2018 against a Major squad with only a win against hapless McMurry on the plus side of the register this season.  There's no doubt Millsaps has faced stiffer competition so far, as Sewanee's two wins were against teams with one win between them while the Majors have lost to Belhaven and UW-Oshkosh. 


This game will be a good test of whether our team is finally starting to turn around a bit after last year's performance.    Lot of the current senior class has put some effort into getting the head-space back into a competitive mode but they need a good win in conference to set that edge.   I would feel better about it all if we had been more competitive against W&L.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 01, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Big day for Trinity and the conference's chances at a Pool C bid for the second year in a row. All eyes on the Wheaton vs. North Central matchup to see how Wheaton fares. If they get blown out/its not close, Trinity not going to look near as good in the eyes of voters/NCAA Ranking Committee - although I still don't believe Trinity played its best against Wheaton or has fully hit its top gear offensively this season (homer view of course).

Obviously tons of football left to go this season, but both Trinity and the second-place SAA finisher (which obviously could end up being Trinity) could use a close game/Wheaton victory to hopefully result in a 1st round matchup against someone other than UMHB and a Pool C bid for the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 01, 2022, 12:11:14 PM
That second place will take a huge jump for whoever wins in Birmingham between BSC and Berry.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2022, 12:17:35 PM
Freaking Hendrix charges for their broadcasts?   *&~%$~~!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 01, 2022, 01:59:40 PM
14-0 Trinity at the half. Very sloppy first half on both sides of the ball. Special teams also not great - blocked a Hendrix FG at the beginning of the 2nd, but next Hendrix possession a tiger gunner got hit in the backside on short punt to give it right back. No clue on the numbers for either team because the stats that Hendrix made me pay for as part of the video package aren't working.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 01, 2022, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2022, 12:17:35 PM
Freaking Hendrix charges for their broadcasts?   *&~%$~~!!

If you're going to charge $10 to watch the game, at least have someone actively handling the camera. Anytime the play goes out of the frame, we have no clue what is happening because they are only moving the camera every 1/4 section of the field. The stats not being put up is also annoying, because you have to pay just to view those too. Pretty frustrating.

Trinity's D-line is manhandling Hendrix' O-line, but the cornerbacks are not playing well with penalties/giving up plays.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 01, 2022, 02:48:15 PM
Chaos brewing in Arkansas. 14-7 Trinity with 2:48 left in the 3rd. Hendrix has had the ball almost the entire 3rd quarter. Trinity doing absolutely nothing on offense or through the air. Defensive line for Trinity continuing to allow pretty much nothing, but the secondary and penalties continue to hurt the Tigers.

Good teams are allowed to have bad games, but I wasn't expecting the offense to be able to look this bad against a defense that gave up 67 last week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 01, 2022, 02:56:28 PM
Thanks for the updates, tigerguy!  Really appreciate it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 01, 2022, 03:11:30 PM
21-7 Trinity with 6:30 left in the 4th. Trinity's BJ Stewart broke a 40ish yard screen for a TD. Trinity's secondary continues to have major issues covering plays across the middle. Can't tell if its the same DB that they keep picking on, but its a major issue. Despite how amazing the D-line has played, they have at least 4 offsides/neutral zone penalties today that have also kept several drives going for Hendrix. Trinity's D just came up with an INT, and are currently driving inside hendrix' 30 after just picking up a 4th and 4.

Edit: Trinity scored right after I posted this (catch and run) 28-7 Tigers, 5:37 remaining.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 01, 2022, 03:29:14 PM
28-7 is the final in Arkansas. I really couldn't tell from the broadcast, but based on how short the kickoffs were going (even for D3), I'm inclined to think there was some wind that was causing issues. Hendrix was 0/3 on field goals with one blocked.

Trinity has got to figure out their passing game. Hopefully the key is getting back Austin Bertness, who hasn't played since the first game against Sul Ross. But right now, our pass game is limited to short catches and runs. Horn also hasn't looked himself in the pocket, despite the line giving him ample time. Secondary has some major things to look at after this week. Tons of penalties on both sides of the ball as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 01, 2022, 03:32:25 PM
honestly seems like an improvement for Hendrix after their last two games. hopefully they can turn a corner and make some noise in the league.

Quote from: tigerguy on October 01, 2022, 03:29:14 PM
28-7 is the final in Arkansas. I really couldn't tell from the broadcast, but based on how short the kickoffs were going (even for D3), I'm inclined to think there was some wind that was causing issues. Hendrix was 0/3 on field goals with one blocked.

Trinity has got to figure out their passing game. Hopefully the key is getting back Austin Bertness, who hasn't played since the first game against Sul Ross. But right now, our pass game is limited to short catches and runs. Horn also hasn't looked himself in the pocket, despite the line giving him ample time. Secondary has some major things to look at after this week. Tons of penalties on both sides of the ball as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2022, 03:43:08 PM
I hope Hendrix didn't pay the clod who was supposedly handling the camera, must have missed a dozen or two plays due to their lack of attention.  Enjoyed the broadcasters.  Did not enjoy zero live stats.  Wish there was a way we could charge fans of other teams who charge us to watch their broadcasts.

Trinity does have some things to figure out on both sides of the ball as TG points out.  Our deep passing game has been lacking and the defense took 'bend but not break' to an extreme today.  Can't bend that much against better teams.  Running game looked good, Michael Jewett was everywhere. 

Funny game.  UMHB was only up 10-7 on Austin after the first quarter (now 17-7 early Q2).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on October 01, 2022, 03:59:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2022, 03:43:08 PM
Funny game.  UMHB was only up 10-7 on Austin after the first quarter (now 17-7 early Q2).

Austin switching to the triple seems like it will keep them around in some of these games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 01, 2022, 04:13:14 PM
Shame the conference doesn't require conference games to be offered for free.  Wonder how much money they are actually making by charging.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 01, 2022, 04:21:18 PM
Hendrix had the ball for a whopping 37:03 minutes compared to Trinity's 22:47. Large part of that was the fact that they ran the ball an incredible 38 times for only 20 yards. Despite that, Hendrix kept their drives alive with many long third down passes - they outgained Trinity in the air 227 to 177, and had more first downs (17) than Trinity (15). Trinity only had four incompletions in the air (18-22) which shows that they were just dinking and dunking. The Tigers had 88 rush yards on 22 attempts.

Trinity had seven sacks in the game and 13 tackles for loss. 8 penalties for 75 yards. Trinity was 168th in the nation coming into this week at 7.33 penalties per game, so that number will go up. Plenty to work on - but the passing offense disappearing after how good it was last year is very puzzling.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2022, 04:37:12 PM
Rhodes was within a TD until a late pick six, Centre wins 21-7.
Barnburner on the Mountain as Sewanee just scored to close to within 30-27 of Millsaps, four minutes and change to play.

EDIT:  Sewanee defense held but offense couldn't move the ball and turned it over on downs.  Millsaps wins.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 01, 2022, 05:11:18 PM
Sewanee made  it respectable..  Way too many special team mistakes today. Ended up 2-2 on this 4 game home stand.  Now the hard part of the schedule begins. Both of these teams are going to struggle against the top tier teams in conference.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2022, 07:30:01 PM
BSC 10-3 after Berry hits a FG on the first play of the second quarter.
6:02 Q2:  10-10 after Gavin Gray takes it in from nine yards out on a fourth and one.

Berry misses a 44-yard FGA with about 40 seconds left in the half so that's how they go to the locker room.

Gawd these teams both sub in at the last second a lot.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2022, 09:31:24 PM
Panthers dominate the second half and pick off Berry's last gasp in the end zone with a minute left to win 24-10.  Looking forward to a good game in San Antonio next week!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 01, 2022, 10:43:52 PM
BSC's offense has shown great signs of growing up fast.  This 24-10 win over a very good Berry team is showing that.  I'm expecting another great game against Trinity next weekend, we owe you guys a home loss, and we are bringing it with us. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2022, 07:22:51 AM
Congratulations to Sewanee's Michael McGhee, named to the D3football.com Team of the Week (https://d3football.com/awards/tow/2022/week5):

RB Michael McGhee, Sr., Sewanee

McGhee ran for a career-best 241 yards, including two rushes of over 70 yards or more. Both his those carries led to Sewanee touchdowns in a game which Millsaps won 30-27. The 241 yards is the eighth-best effort in the history of the SAA. McGhee carried the ball 21 times, with one being a 47-yard score that made it a 10-point game with 7:14 to go.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2022, 09:37:32 AM
News and notes (https://saa-sports.com/news/2022/10/4/field-hockey-saa-sports-report-oct-4.aspx) from the conference office: (this is from the SAA, posting here for increased visibility as they do a nice job)

POTW

Offense:  Michael McGhee / Sewanee / Sr. / Chattanooga, Tenn. McGhee was nearly unstoppable on the ground for Sewanee as the Tigers narrowly dropped their SAA opener to Millsaps. The senior ran for a career-best 241 yards and a touchdown, ripping off two runs over 70 yards. His 75-yard run on the Tigers second play from scrimmage led to a touchdown and 70-yard burst in the third led to another Sewanee score. His touchdown run was a 47-yard scamper in the fourth that made it a 10-point game.

Defense: Armon Wells / Centre / Sr. / Louisville, Ky. A pick-six to seal a victory over Rhodes capped Wells big game for Centre. The senior totaled seven tackles, to go along with two sacks and two forced fumbles. His strip sack in the first led to a scoop and score that put the Colonels ahead 14-0. With Centre holding onto a 14-7 advantage and Rhodes driving late in the fourth, he picked off a Lynx pass and raced 20-yards for the Colonel's second defensive TD of the game. 

Special Teams: Wiley Henshaw / Rhodes / Sr. / Gurley, Ala. Henshaw was perfect in PATs and stellar in the punting game in Rhodes close loss to Centre. The senior averaged 45.3 yards over his six punts, including a 59-yard boomer that pinned the Colonels back deep in their own end early in the crucial fourth quarter. For the game, he put Centre inside their own 20 five times.

Notes:
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
This week's games (sorry it's late, this was already a week on Monday and didn't get any better):

Sewanee (2-2, 0-1 SAA) at Centre (3-1, 1-0), noon CDT:  After a valiant effort against Millsaps last week, the road (literally) gets tougher as the Tigers head to Danville against an up-and-down Colonel team that still has hopes of getting into the thick of the conference championship battle.  Centre's offensive production is actually the worst in the conference (237.3 yards/game) while Sewanee is in the middle of the pack (367.5, only 40 yards behind conference leaders B-SC).  Sewanee is slightly better defensively, allowing 261.3 ypg to Centre's 282.8.  Sounds like a recipe for an entertaining game and another chance for the visitors to get off their years-long SAA schneid. 

[RV] Birmingham-Southern (3-1, 1-0 SAA) at #5/#6 Trinity (4-0, 1-0), 1pm CDT:  Well, here we go again.  The Panthers have never beaten Trinity dating back to the SCAC era (0-11) but plan on the 12th time being the charm in a series that has become increasingly close and heated.  Last year's game wasn't decided until B-SC's two point conversion fell incomplete with 23 seconds left in the game and failure of the necessary onside kick, and it's entirely possible it could come down to something similar this season.  The visitors lead the conference with a balanced offensive attack (204 ypg passing, 202 ypg rushing) with Jon Lewis' 126.5 ypg rushing good for second in the SAA.  Despite recent challenges, the Tigers counter with Tucker Horn's conference-leading 236 passing yards and a run by committee approach to total within one yard per game of B-SC.  Defensively, Trinity once again has one of the country's best rushing defenses - holding opponents to 1 yard per carry and 31.3 ypg - while giving up 214 ypg through the air; B-SC's pass defense is similar (205) but the Panthers are mid-SAA against the run, allowing just over 150 yards per contest.  The key for the Panthers will be to have an effective enough running game to keep the home side from going nuts rushing the QB as they did last week (7 sacks; 13 TFL).  Birmingham was able to do that last year against a similarly stout Tiger run defense, but time will tell if Lewis and his backfield mates can be as effective as were the departed Robert Shufford and Trey Patterson (146 yards cumulatively).

Hendrix (1-3, 0-1 SAA) at Millsaps (2-2, 1-0), 1pm CDT:  The question to be answered is which Warrior team shows up on Saturday; the one that gave Trinity fits in a closer-than-it-sounds 28-7 loss, or the one that gave up nearly 60 ppg in road games the previous two times out?  Hendrix looked surprisingly good on both sides of the ball last week, offensively controlling play and driving up and down the field - until reaching the red zone.  Statistically the two teams are nearly identical, ranking 7/6th offensively and 8/7th defensively, but Hendrix has played much superior competition and that could give them the edge on Saturday, road or not.

Rhodes (2-2, 0-1 SAA) at Berry (2-2, 0-1), 5pm CDT:  The Vikings find themselves in a must-win situation in Week 2 after being dominated in the second half last week.  Rhodes is, well, Rhodes, a team lacking consistency from week to week that seems to play around .500 each season without threatening the conference leaders.  That said, the Lynx surprisingly lead the conference defensively, holding opponents well under 200 yards per game (177.5).  Gavin Gray will have his work cut out for him against a defense yielding less than 100 yards in the air per game.

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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2022, 04:31:49 PM
This week's In the (D3FB) Huddle Picks & Previews (https://www.facebook.com/D3Huddle/videos/604106131407908/) includes interviews with Garrett Smith (BSC DE) and Tucker Horn (Trinity QB).  Horn also gives a shout out to Centre QB Trentin Dupper and Dupper's battle with cancer. 

Edit:  Smith is around the 14 minute mark, Tucker around the 38:00 mark.
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Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2022, 04:56:59 PM
That's cool for Tucker to do that.

Full disclosure -- we have twice reached out to Centre to try to write a story on Trentin and have not gotten a real response. The second time that we asked, they said they would get back to us, but we did not hear back.
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Post by: tigerguy on October 07, 2022, 11:52:05 PM
@Ron - any word on if Bertness will finally make his return?
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Post by: albatross on October 07, 2022, 11:55:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
This week's games

Excited for BSC-Trinity this week. Aside from the ODAC battle of unbeatens, it seems to be the only blockbuster in the region.

Very interested to see if Hendrix can dispatch Millsaps and if Rhodes can hang with Berry.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2022, 12:48:54 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 07, 2022, 11:52:05 PM
@Ron - any word on if Bertness will finally make his return?

I have zero insight into his condition (or anyone else's, really).  Will keep an eye out tomorrow to be sure.  This would be a tough team to make a return against.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 08, 2022, 09:46:38 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 01, 2022, 10:43:52 PM
BSC's offense has shown great signs of growing up fast.  This 24-10 win over a very good Berry team is showing that.  I'm expecting another great game against Trinity next weekend, we owe you guys a home loss, and we are bringing it with us.

Are you able to make it out to the game today?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 08, 2022, 10:35:36 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2022, 04:31:49 PM
This week's In the (D3FB) Huddle Picks & Previews (https://www.facebook.com/D3Huddle/videos/604106131407908/) includes interviews with Garrett Smith (BSC DE) and Tucker Horn (Trinity QB).  Horn also gives a shout out to Centre QB Trentin Dupper and Dupper's battle with cancer. 

Edit:  Smith is around the 14 minute mark, Tucker around the 38:00 mark.

Thanks for the link, Ron.  Great episode featuring some fine gentlemen.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 08, 2022, 05:59:13 PM
What an amazing game. BSC looked the part as did TU. Both teams battled. I will say BSC was very athletic and large upfront! SAA has some powerhouses. Will be interesting to see how the following weeks progress for each program. Wish everyone well and that neither team suffered any significant injuries. Hard fought battle in San Antonio on a beautiful afternoon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 08, 2022, 07:26:31 PM
I think this is the first game where I've left feeling my team (Trinity) had lost, yet they actually won.  The game was determined by swings of momentum.

Trinity started both haves looking very good by quickly scoring.  But in both halves, they couldn't follow up.

BSC started the halves on their heels but recovered and counterpunched very effectively.

The last 8 minutes were all BSC as they stopped a sluggish Trinity, then took possession and ran down the clock and scored with just over a minute left.  BSC seemed to have shaken the curse of losing to Trinity and their fans were jubilant.

TU took a nice kick return from BJ Stewart out to near midfield but then seemingly stalled yet again with a 4th and 5 just into BSC territory.  QB Tucker Horn's final lob pass down the center seemed to be in slow motion, but receiver Carter Self got under it for a racing fingertip catch and run to the end zone. 

Mayhem on the TU side, stunned silence for BSU.  BSU then tried an ironically Trinity-like lateralfest, but couldn't pull it off.
Some of the BSU players remained on the field for maybe 20 minutes in seeming shock.  Completely understandable.

The stats won't tell the story of this game that keeps TU moving along toward the SAA title and now makes it very difficult for BSU's playoff hopes.  A shame one team had to lose.

I'm exhausted...
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 08, 2022, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 08, 2022, 09:46:38 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 01, 2022, 10:43:52 PM
BSC's offense has shown great signs of growing up fast.  This 24-10 win over a very good Berry team is showing that.  I'm expecting another great game against Trinity next weekend, we owe you guys a home loss, and we are bringing it with us.

Are you able to make it out to the game today?

Wasn't able to make it to SA for this one, but did watch on TV.  Thought BSC had it, before having our hearts ripped out in the final seconds. 

Ultimately we should end our season with 2 losses, both to top 25 teams by 3 points each.  If the football gods get on our sides, add a little chaos and maybe we can still sniff a Group C bid.  But right now I'm becoming a Berry fam very quickly. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2022, 08:21:04 PM
What is the tie-breaker for a 3-way tie in football?
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 08, 2022, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2022, 08:21:04 PM
What is the tie-breaker for a 3-way tie in football?

If I'm not mistaken, I believe it is the point differential in versus those teams,  example, BSC beat Berry by 14, lost to Trinity by 3, so we have 11 points.  Of course Berry and Trinity would have their game to figure out their total, currently Trinity has 3 and Berry is -14.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 08, 2022, 10:39:15 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 08, 2022, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2022, 08:21:04 PM
What is the tie-breaker for a 3-way tie in football?

If I'm not mistaken, I believe it is the point differential in versus those teams,  example, BSC beat Berry by 14, lost to Trinity by 3, so we have 11 points.  Of course Berry and Trinity would have their game to figure out their total, currently Trinity has 3 and Berry is -14.

Games like to today make sporting contest leave a sour taste because both teams left it on the field. Just like the Wheaton game TU faced....made it rough to be excited and not feel for the opponent as a competitor. I'll leave it at this... I've watched a lot of games across the the country and I will throw this out there. The SAA is a good conference. No matter what the field says. The R3 teams are good too. You don't have a UHMB run through the playoffs with no one coming close. Then they beat up on the rest of the conference. Then those teams defeat their opponents out of conference as handily. The R3 have conferences that have improved and the upper teams can beat anyone or at least keep it a respectable game.

Huntingdon plays a good  Linfield team and loses in a 1 score game
HSU spanks UWP
Trinity beats a good Wheaton team by 1 pt in OT
Huntingdon beats a good BSC team by 3
UMHB loses a 1 (-4) score game on the road at UWW late in the game (95 yard 2 min drill)
Berry goes toe to toe with UWW in a 2 score game while Defense holds their own
HSU leads UMHB for 2 QTs (almost) then lighting strikes twice   :o
BSC beats Berry by a couple scores in the second half while tied at half
TU pulls a rabbit out of their hat and beats BSC at home

Wheaton keeps it close with NCC
Linfield hasn't been tested out west
UWW played some other tight games with STJ and LX...and Bethel

There's parity out there. I think BSC has as good of a chance should they play out as any other 8-2 on the ballot should they finish there....and Huntingdon/Linfield and Trinity/Wheaton keep on doing well


Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2022, 11:51:12 PM
There is no bigger fan of Trinity than HSU! HSU needs to be the 1st at the table for Pool C from R3.

If Berry beats TU, then BSC gets the Pool A. TU is 1-1 versus regionally ranked opponents (or maybe even 2-1 if the ODAC Pool A is sullied enough not the make the regional rankings).I cannot imagine Berry beating TU 26.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 09, 2022, 12:59:29 AM
A lot of ball to still be played. Who knows how it shakes out. However, if it ended today it would be hard to dismiss any of these programs from being in PC contention...
No particular order:
Bethel/STJ (possible rematch)
BSC
HSU
UWLX
Wheaton
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2022, 07:35:49 AM
Well ... 12+ hours later, that was pretty spectacular to see in person.   I'm still not sure how Carter Self managed to haul in that pass *and* keep his balance to get into the end zone.  Not a bad way for the junior, who has fought injury most of his career, to score his first collegiate touchdown.

Both teams had chances to put more points on the table.  Trinity had the missed FG (which didn't miss by much) and of course the unfortunate INT late when it looked like they were about to put the game away.  B-SC had several drops on long pass plays and the TU secondary is probably still having nightmares about Brandon Rew who almost single-handedly (153 of the team's total 311 yards) gave the Panthers their first win in the series.   I'm sure there will be some film study to analyze exactly how the big man got so open so frequently.  And I don't know how many times we saw McClary, under extreme pressure, pull a rabbit out of his hat and complete a long pass about two microseconds before he would have been sacked.

Trinity controlled the B-SC rushing attack better than they did last year, with Jon Lewis ending up with 90 yards and only one long TD run early on, but the success did keep the Tigers from being able to blitz as much as they might have liked.  It was Birmingham-Southern who changed up their schemes to get more pressure on Tucker Horn from about mid-second quarter; the official stats say three sacks but they were getting some very hard hits on the Trinity QB, both just after releasing the ball and on his scrambles (7 carries, 46 yards).

I was, frankly, quite surprised that Trinity didn't call a timeout after Rew's spectacular catch to the one a play before Lewis easily scored.  It would have been interesting to see what would have happened had the defense stopped Lewis on first down; as it was, it worked out perfectly for Trinity who had *just enough* time left and didn't leave Birmingham anything to work with after the (again, spectacular) fourth down TD conversion. 

As they say, on to the next.  I fear both teams may have lost a player or two for the season based on the way they came off the field but hope that will not be the case.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2022, 10:52:08 AM
So you see "Centre 21, Rhodes 7" and think "yeah, about what I expected."

Did you expect Centre to struggle to get 100 yards and need not one but two TDs off turnovers to get the win?  Yep, the conference-leading Lynx defense held the Colonels to *seven* first downs, 115 yards, and if not for committing those and two other turnovers things could have been different.  Centre's defense for their part held Rhodes to -8 yards rushing on 33 attempts and allowed 236 yards passing.  With Trinity taking a trip to Memphis this week, it will be interesting to see if the Lynx defense continues its strong play. 
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Post by: BSCpanthers on October 09, 2022, 02:20:52 PM
Big Lynx fans this weekend. This season will be a weekly, "Who can I cheer for to beat Trinity" marathon. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 09, 2022, 02:34:35 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 09, 2022, 02:20:52 PM
Big Lynx fans this weekend. This season will be a weekly, "Who can I cheer for to beat Trinity" marathon.

But Trinity fans are such nice people!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 09, 2022, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 09, 2022, 12:59:29 AM
A lot of ball to still be played. Who knows how it shakes out. However, if it ended today it would be hard to dismiss any of these programs from being in PC contention...
No particular order:
Bethel/STJ (possible rematch)
BSC
HSU
UWLX
Wheaton

I agree all of these teams will have an argument to be made. It will start with how each of the six regions stack their perspective Pool C Candidates. From your aforementioned group. The only team that I see as a Pool C lock is a one-loss UWLX. HSU definitely helped itself with playing Platteville. I think any team that has two losses, especially to two different teams will be sweating it out on selection Sunday. Bethel was very unique situation having loss to St. John's twice.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2022, 05:40:21 PM
Quote from: MRMIKESMITH on October 09, 2022, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 09, 2022, 12:59:29 AM
A lot of ball to still be played. Who knows how it shakes out. However, if it ended today it would be hard to dismiss any of these programs from being in PC contention...
No particular order:
Bethel/STJ (possible rematch)
BSC
HSU
UWLX
Wheaton

I agree all of these teams will have an argument to be made. It will start with how each of the six regions stack their perspective Pool C Candidates. From your aforementioned group. The only team that I see as a Pool C lock is a one-loss UWLX. HSU definitely helped itself with playing Platteville. I think any team that has two losses, especially to two different teams will be sweating it out on selection Sunday. Bethel was very unique situation having loss to St. John's twice.
(Prooreading...)
For Bethel, having beaten St John's in the regular season then losing in the divisional/conference championship.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 09, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
I stand firm that losing by 30 at home is worse than 2 losses by 3 points each to two top 25 teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 09, 2022, 07:17:50 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 09, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
I stand firm that losing by 30 at home is worse than 2 losses by 3 points each to two top 25 teams.

Seems reasonable.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2022, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 09, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
I stand firm that losing by 30 at home is worse than 2 losses by 3 points each to two top 25 teams.

As a McMurry alum, I am thoroughly unimpressed with that 26-9 loss to BSC in the first week.
Even Millsaps beat McMurry 27-13! Ugly!

McMurry (0-6) might beat Austin College this weekend, but I think that the McM-SRSU game is a toss-up at best.

As for that HSU-UMHB game, I look at those games among fiercest rival, comparing them to a video game in which 2 combatants go after each other with all they have.

Suddenly one guy gets lucky slashes across both carotid arteries of the opponent and the screen goes red!

An 85 yd KO return to the 3 yd line, then 2 scoop-sixes, all in 46 seconds, and the video game scenario mainfested the ugly score.
20 points in under a minute

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 09, 2022, 09:20:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2022, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 09, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
I stand firm that losing by 30 at home is worse than 2 losses by 3 points each to two top 25 teams.

As a McMurry alum, I am thoroughly unimpressed with that 26-9 loss to BSC in the first week.
Even Millsaps beat McMurry 27-13! Ugly!

McMurry (0-6) might beat Austin College this weekend, but I think that the McM-SRSU game is a toss-up at best.

As for that HSU-UMHB game, I look at those games among fiercest rival, comparing them to a video game in which 2 combatants go after each other with all they have.

Suddenly one guy gets lucky slashes across both carotid arteries of the opponent and the screen goes red!

An 85 yd KO return to the 3 yd line, then 2 scoop-sixes, all in 46 seconds, and the video game scenario mainfested the ugly score.
20 points in under a minute

For what it's worth, our game against McMurry was the first start for our sophomore QB.  I was also unimpressed with that game, we should have been able to put your guys away early and play some younger guys, but we weren't able to do that on any game so far.  Our offense has been playing much better the last couple games as the QB has gained some experience. 

But in the end, you have to play the game, and the result of the game has meaning.  Time will tell where we will all end up.  Not confident Region 3 will get the look for two Pool C teams, so I'm using the narrative that helps my team.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 09, 2022, 09:20:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2022, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 09, 2022, 06:40:18 PM
I stand firm that losing by 30 at home is worse than 2 losses by 3 points each to two top 25 teams.

As a McMurry alum, I am thoroughly unimpressed with that 26-9 loss to BSC in the first week.
Even Millsaps beat McMurry 27-13! Ugly!

McMurry (0-6) might beat Austin College this weekend, but I think that the McM-SRSU game is a toss-up at best.

As for that HSU-UMHB game, I look at those games among fiercest rival, comparing them to a video game in which 2 combatants go after each other with all they have.

Suddenly one guy gets lucky slashes across both carotid arteries of the opponent and the screen goes red!

An 85 yd KO return to the 3 yd line, then 2 scoop-sixes, all in 46 seconds, and the video game scenario mainfested the ugly score.
20 points in under a minute

For what it's worth, our game against McMurry was the first start for our sophomore QB.  I was also unimpressed with that game, we should have been able to put your guys away early and play some younger guys, but we weren't able to do that on any game so far.  Our offense has been playing much better the last couple games as the QB has gained some experience. 

But in the end, you have to play the game, and the result of the game has meaning.  Time will tell where we will all end up.  Not confident Region 3 will get the look for two Pool C teams, so I'm using the narrative that helps my team.  ;D
The narrative that I dread is the TU runs the table. Randy-Mac goes undefeated and gets the Pool A. Huntingdon finishes with 1 loss, to Linfield, and the USAC Pool A.

The (final) Regional Rankings go TUTx, RMC, UMHB, Huntingdon, HSU. HSU gets edged out by Pool C bids from other regions because Platteville fails to impress, enough.

That leaves geographic proximity. If Bethel knocks off St Johns in the MIAC championship game,  the first round game is #4 UMHB at #5 Trinity.

The Stagg Bowl is scheduled to be in Annapolis, but this is at least a quarterfinal or semi-final matchup.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2022, 10:31:30 AM
Trinity-BSC is heavily featured early in this week's ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2022/10/10/atn-podcast-314-another-classic-week-in-d-iii-football/), and Pat interviews Tucker Horn.  There's also some discussion of why Trinity dropped in this week's poll. 
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Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2022, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2022, 10:31:30 AM
Trinity-BSC is heavily featured early in this week's ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2022/10/10/atn-podcast-314-another-classic-week-in-d-iii-football/), and Pat interviews Tucker Horn.  There's also some discussion of why Trinity dropped in this week's poll.
You gotta love the Tucker Horn interview. Respectfully, he has the interview down in classic Crash Davis Perfection. (See the movie Bull Durham as Crash Davis mentors Nuke LaLoosh.) Horn emotes all the right humility belonging to a very talented QB, the appreciation of the opponent who helped bring out the best in their competition, and just enough scattering of cliches of good "footballese" to make the interview enjoyable.

My late departed friend, Bob Edwards, would be proud of him.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2022, 02:55:20 PM
I rewatched Bull Durham over the summer. Crash style is to essentially say nothing! Tucker didn't do that, in my opinion. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2022, 04:35:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2022, 02:55:20 PM
I rewatched Bull Durham over the summer. Crash style is to essentially say nothing! Tucker didn't do that, in my opinion. :)
It was a very good interview. Tucker handled himself admirably.

If Crash Davis had had a two-time SAA Fall Academic Honor Roll, 5-time Dean's List talent as a mentee, I am sure Nuke could have sounded like Tucker.  ;)

https://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2022-23/bios/horn_tucker_zg7a

Geography lesson about Texas, Graham TX is equidistant from Abilene and Ft Worth. For a D3 option, he chose Trinity over HSU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2022, 07:54:48 PM
A note: Eli Gehman was nominated for Team of the Week at punter (and he is going to be on the team, spoilers). Made me think of the guy that transferred from St. Olaf to punt at Trinity -- Tyler Huettel has had one punting attempt all season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2022, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2022, 07:54:48 PM
A note: Eli Gehman was nominated for Team of the Week at punter (and he is going to be on the team, spoilers). Made me think of the guy that transferred from St. Olaf to punt at Trinity -- Tyler Huettel has had one punting attempt all season.

I seem to remember you being asked why Huettel was only third-team preseason and you said it was because he might not beat out Eli for the starting role.  Nailed it again!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2022, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2022, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2022, 07:54:48 PM
A note: Eli Gehman was nominated for Team of the Week at punter (and he is going to be on the team, spoilers). Made me think of the guy that transferred from St. Olaf to punt at Trinity -- Tyler Huettel has had one punting attempt all season.

I seem to remember you being asked why Huettel was only third-team preseason and you said it was because he might not beat out Eli for the starting role.  Nailed it again!
Coach Urban has this Trinity program looking like the late 1990's /early 2000s.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
D3football.com TotW

P Eli Gehman, Jr., Trinity (Texas)
Gehman played a key role in the special teams as then-No. 5 Trinity edged Birmingham-Southern 23-20. Gehman punted five times for 213 yards, averaging 42.6 yards per attempt. He booted a pair of 50-yard kicks and dropped two punts inside the 20 during the game. His punting average also puts him in the top 25 in school history for a single game.

News and notes from the SAA office:

Offensive PotW:  Brody Davis / Millsaps / So. / St. Augustine, Fla.
Davis scored five touchdowns and kept Millsaps among the unbeatens in SAA play with a huge game last week. The sophomore completed 28-of-37 passes for 358 yards and four touchdowns through the air and added another touchdown on the ground to lead the Majors past Hendrix 34-28. Davis had touchdown passes of 38- and 34-yards to go along with a one-yard scoring run that led to a 21-7 halftime advantage. He later hit a 25-yard TD pass to start the fourth that provided enough cushion to hold off the Warriors late comeback.

Defensive PotW:  Armon Wells / Centre / Sr. / Louisville, Ky.

Wells was everywhere in a Centre victory, keeping the potent Sewanee offense in check all afternoon. The senior totaled a game-high 13 tackles, eight solo, and had four TFLs. Wells closed the game with a strip sack and also recovered the fumble to shut the door on the Tigers. The linebacker leads the SAA in total tackles (46) and is second with four sacks.

Special Teams PotW:   Aidan Hood / BSC / Sr. / Mountain Brook, Ala.

Handling kick off and punting duties, Hood posted big numbers against Trinity. His five kick offs traveled 293 yards with one touchback, for a 58.6 yard average. Hood totaled 259 yards for six punts, including a 63-yarder, for a 43.2 yard average.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 12, 2022, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
D3football.com TotW

P Eli Gehman, Jr., Trinity (Texas)
Gehman played a key role in the special teams as then-No. 5 Trinity edged Birmingham-Southern 23-20. Gehman punted five times for 213 yards, averaging 42.6 yards per attempt. He booted a pair of 50-yard kicks and dropped two punts inside the 20 during the game. His punting average also puts him in the top 25 in school history for a single game.

News and notes from the SAA office:

Offensive PotW:  Brody Davis / Millsaps / So. / St. Augustine, Fla.
Davis scored five touchdowns and kept Millsaps among the unbeatens in SAA play with a huge game last week. The sophomore completed 28-of-37 passes for 358 yards and four touchdowns through the air and added another touchdown on the ground to lead the Majors past Hendrix 34-28. Davis had touchdown passes of 38- and 34-yards to go along with a one-yard scoring run that led to a 21-7 halftime advantage. He later hit a 25-yard TD pass to start the fourth that provided enough cushion to hold off the Warriors late comeback.

Defensive PotW:  Armon Wells / Centre / Sr. / Louisville, Ky.

Wells was everywhere in a Centre victory, keeping the potent Sewanee offense in check all afternoon. The senior totaled a game-high 13 tackles, eight solo, and had four TFLs. Wells closed the game with a strip sack and also recovered the fumble to shut the door on the Tigers. The linebacker leads the SAA in total tackles (46) and is second with four sacks.

Special Teams PotW:   Aidan Hood / BSC / Sr. / Mountain Brook, Ala.

Handling kick off and punting duties, Hood posted big numbers against Trinity. His five kick offs traveled 293 yards with one touchback, for a 58.6 yard average. Hood totaled 259 yards for six punts, including a 63-yarder, for a 43.2 yard average.


  • Home teams successfully defended home turf with all four hosts winning last week.
  • Trinity, Centre, and Millsaps emerged from the week unbeaten in SAA play. The three teams won't meet each other until the last three weeks of the season.
  • Trinity and BSC played the game of the week with the Tigers, trailing late before turning a 4th and 5 into a 43-yard go ahead touchdown with 13 seconds remaining.
  • Trinity QB Tucker Horn enjoyed a big week, connecting on 23 of 32 passes for 322 yards and three TDs; the big week pushed him over 4,000 career passing yards.
  • Trinity's Eli Gehman was named to the D3football.com team of the week; punting five times for 213 yards, averaging 42.6 yards per attempt. He booted a pair of 50-yard kicks and dropped two punts inside the 20.
  • Trinity is 11th in the nation in passing efficiency and ranks 26th nationally in scoring offense (35.0 ppg).
  • Rhodes is ninth in the nation in total defense, allowing 206.6 yards a game.
  • Tucker Horn (Trinity) is eighth in completion percentage (73 percent).
  • BSC's Zach Ford is one of two field goal kickers nationally still perfect on the season.
  • Jon Lewis (BSC) is 10th nationally with eight rushing TDs.
  • In the rankings; Trinity dropped a spot to No. 6 in the D3football.com rankings. BSC received seven votes.

I also noted zero yards and no returns for BSC.  That's significant.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 15, 2022, 01:37:55 PM
Trinity - Rhodes currently delayed due to lightning in Memphis (1235 Central).

Not going away quickly.  I'd expect at least another hour before they consider starting.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 15, 2022, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 15, 2022, 01:37:55 PM
Trinity - Rhodes currently delayed due to lightning in Memphis (1235 Central).

Not going away quickly.  I'd expect at least another hour before they consider starting.

Radar shows it should clear up around 1 or so
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2022, 02:44:40 PM
It's been gone for a while but they must have the world's most sensitive lightning detector.  Field Hockey there is starting at 2:05 so let's hope for the same or close for football.

And I guess that's OK because I have the world's slowest DoorDash delivery driver who must be making at least three stops before he gets to my place.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2022, 02:48:31 PM
Kickoff 1:55 per Rhodes Twitter.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 15, 2022, 02:50:26 PM
www.lightningmaps.org
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 15, 2022, 04:11:24 PM
Berry blocks Centre's extra point to win in OT! :o
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2022, 04:12:00 PM
Trinity defense looking very good (15 total yards for Rhodes in the first half), offense almost as much to lead 24-0 at the half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2022, 06:23:27 PM
Hendrix beat Sewanee 48-21 (after leading 41-0 at the half)
BSC is up 21-0 on Millsaps at the half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 15, 2022, 10:49:15 PM
BSC starts off hot, jumps to a 21-0 lead before putting the offense in neutral and sputtering to a 28-0 win over Millsaps.  BSC defense looked very good all day, stopping Millsaps twice on the goal line. 

This BSC team just doesn't have that killer instinct to put teams away, we just seem to pay with them enough to keep starters in the whole game.  We haven't been able to play other guys much at all, and that will eventually show up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: rjtiger on October 17, 2022, 09:21:15 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2022, 06:23:27 PM
Hendrix beat Sewanee 48-21 (after leading 41-0 at the half)
BSC is up 21-0 on Millsaps at the half.

Tough one for the Tigers.  On paper it looked like it would be a good game.  O and D line for Hendrix were tough to handle.  Those long bus rides have got to be tough too. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
Factoid of the day...

QuoteAlabama's 52 points surrendered to Tennessee last Saturday was the most allowed by a Crimson Tide team since 1907 when Sewanee poured 54 on Bama.

Tip of the hat to D3Playbook.com
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 17, 2022, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
Factoid of the day...

QuoteAlabama's 52 points surrendered to Tennessee last Saturday was the most allowed by a Crimson Tide team since 1907 when Sewanee poured 54 on Bama.

Tip of the hat to D3Playbook.com

Awesome stat. I always enjoy the random conversations where I get to tell people that Sewanee was a founding member of the SEC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 17, 2022, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 17, 2022, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
Factoid of the day...

QuoteAlabama's 52 points surrendered to Tennessee last Saturday was the most allowed by a Crimson Tide team since 1907 when Sewanee poured 54 on Bama.

Tip of the hat to D3Playbook.com

Awesome stat. I always enjoy the random conversations where I get to tell people that Sewanee was a founding member of the SEC.

Been looking forward to our game at your house this weekend for a few years now.  Your campus has been one I've been waiting to see.  How's the tailgating scene on campus?  Good places to set up?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 17, 2022, 03:04:34 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 17, 2022, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 17, 2022, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
Factoid of the day...

QuoteAlabama's 52 points surrendered to Tennessee last Saturday was the most allowed by a Crimson Tide team since 1907 when Sewanee poured 54 on Bama.

Tip of the hat to D3Playbook.com



Awesome stat. I always enjoy the random conversations where I get to tell people that Sewanee was a founding member of the SEC.

Been looking forward to our game at your house this weekend for a few years now.  Your campus has been one I've been waiting to see.  How's the tailgating scene on campus?  Good places to set up?

Wrong Tigers sir - I'm a Trinity fan. Curse of having the most common mascot in NCAA.

Side note - and I just posted this in the general football forum. I never truly appreciated how much of an island Trinity and the western states are in terms of the d3 football landscape until I saw this graphic just now, wow:

Not sure how updated this is, but I just came across this map of the D3 football teams landscape. Never truly appreciated on how much of an island Texas and the western states are in D3:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/NCAA_Division_3_football_map.gif
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 17, 2022, 03:31:51 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 17, 2022, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 17, 2022, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
Factoid of the day...

QuoteAlabama's 52 points surrendered to Tennessee last Saturday was the most allowed by a Crimson Tide team since 1907 when Sewanee poured 54 on Bama.

Tip of the hat to D3Playbook.com

Awesome stat. I always enjoy the random conversations where I get to tell people that Sewanee was a founding member of the SEC.

Been looking forward to our game at your house this weekend for a few years now.  Your campus has been one I've been waiting to see.  How's the tailgating scene on campus?  Good places to set up?

Sewanee has a good spot for tailgating, although it's been a few years since I was there. They are pretty good about parking you in the field a few hundred yards past the stadium and you can set up there. That's where W&L's alumni tailgate sets up every other year (though I missed this year sadly). If you catch one of those nice days on the Mountain, it's a beautiful campus. Stadium is cool, at least the home side. Old stone stands that have been there forever. Inside the athletic center next to the field there's a lot of cool history about Sewanee's early football, including the historic 1899 team. Worth peaking around in there, especially if it's raining.

And that's the only problem I ever really have with Sewanee... the darn weather. It seems like it always rains when I'm there. Between college and seeing games  since moving to Birmingham, I bet I've been to Sewanee about ten times. I think it didn't pour on me twice. But those two times? Gorgeous campus, gorgeous views. Students can even get a little rowdy sometimes, which I find fun and amusing because they haven't taken it too far. But I remember leaving once or twice, with a W&L Trident on the hood of my car, and getting yelled and cursed at by guys in plaid kilts.

I like passionate, slightly or more drunk, college kids yelling at the opponents fans... it is part of college football to me so long as that's where it stays. Plus I admire their perseverance since the football On the Mountain more often than not leaves something to be desired...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 19, 2022, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 17, 2022, 03:31:51 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 17, 2022, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 17, 2022, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
Factoid of the day...

QuoteAlabama's 52 points surrendered to Tennessee last Saturday was the most allowed by a Crimson Tide team since 1907 when Sewanee poured 54 on Bama.

Tip of the hat to D3Playbook.com

Awesome stat. I always enjoy the random conversations where I get to tell people that Sewanee was a founding member of the SEC.

Been looking forward to our game at your house this weekend for a few years now.  Your campus has been one I've been waiting to see.  How's the tailgating scene on campus?  Good places to set up?

Sewanee has a good spot for tailgating, although it's been a few years since I was there. They are pretty good about parking you in the field a few hundred yards past the stadium and you can set up there. That's where W&L's alumni tailgate sets up every other year (though I missed this year sadly). If you catch one of those nice days on the Mountain, it's a beautiful campus. Stadium is cool, at least the home side. Old stone stands that have been there forever. Inside the athletic center next to the field there's a lot of cool history about Sewanee's early football, including the historic 1899 team. Worth peaking around in there, especially if it's raining.

And that's the only problem I ever really have with Sewanee... the darn weather. It seems like it always rains when I'm there. Between college and seeing games  since moving to Birmingham, I bet I've been to Sewanee about ten times. I think it didn't pour on me twice. But those two times? Gorgeous campus, gorgeous views. Students can even get a little rowdy sometimes, which I find fun and amusing because they haven't taken it too far. But I remember leaving once or twice, with a W&L Trident on the hood of my car, and getting yelled and cursed at by guys in plaid kilts.

I like passionate, slightly or more drunk, college kids yelling at the opponents fans... it is part of college football to me so long as that's where it stays. Plus I admire their perseverance since the football On the Mountain more often than not leaves something to be desired...

The weather will be interesting this weekend as it's the one night game in this year's home schedule for us.    Current forecast for game time is mostly cloudy with temperatures in the low 60s dropping into the upper 40s fairly quickly.   Good chance for a classic Sewanee fog.

Game day information can be found at https://sewaneetigers.com/sports/2021/9/16/2021-football-gameday-information.aspx (https://sewaneetigers.com/sports/2021/9/16/2021-football-gameday-information.aspx).  A recent change is that the grass lot behind the home stands has been opened for tailgating on a first come-first serve basis and a $20 fee.  The grass field jknezek mentioned is described as the "Gold Lot"  in the game day information.  It's over by our practice fields and baseball stadium.  Do buy from the concession stand as the proceeds help support our local Habitat for Humanity organization.

If you're coming to the Mountain, the best accommodation option is the Sewanee Inn, which is the conference hotel on campus.  It's bloody expensive, tho'.  Otherwise, out of the Monteagle hotels, I've been recommending the Quality Inn as it's the best run of the options out that way (about a 10 minute drive from campus).    There are a couple of upscale options out that way as well that have good reputations but are outside the range my pocketbook can handle.

For dining,  Shenanigans and The Blue Chair are campus options.    The Inn has good restaurants in the main building and the golf shop.  There's a new French bisto-style place opened in the Village (almost makes me sound like I'm an episode of that old spy drama called "The Prisoner") that has gotten some good press.   Papa Ron's in Monteagle is a decent red-sauce Italian and steak place.  For the really fancy meal, the High Point Restaurant is the place to go in Monteagle (very good rep).

The last couple of years of less than stellar performance (even for our teams) has sapped a lot of the student support for the team.    Good chance you'll see more people on the visitor side than in the home stands.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2022, 12:12:08 PM
For the three people who see this, sorry for not posting a review/preview last week, but with that said ...

News and notes from the SAA office (https://saa-sports.com/news/2022/10/19/general-saa-sports-report-oct-18.aspx):

Offensive PotW:  Jacob Wood / Hendrix / Sr. / Bee Branch, Ark.
Accounting for five touchdowns; three in the air and two more on the ground, Wood led Hendrix to a convincing 48-21 win over Sewanee. The senior threw for 346 yards with touchdown strikes of seven yards, 42 yards and 15 yards to highlight a 23-for-28 day passing. Wood plunged into the endzone from a yard out for the first score of the game and later added a three-yard rushing TD to cap off a 99-yard drive in the second quarter.

Defensive PotW: Ezra Gore / Trinity / Sr. / McKinney, Texas
Gore had a pick-six in the middle of the third quarter to seal-up Trinity's sixth-straight win and keep the Tigers perfect on the season. The senior tallied two solo tackles from his DB spot on the day, including one for a three-yard loss. His 21-yard interception return pushed the score to 38-0, later resulting in a 45-0 Trinity shutout at Rhodes.

Special Teams PotW:  Blake Lin / Trinity / So. / Tyler, Texas
Lin put up big numbers in the kicking game in Trinity's shutout of Rhodes. The sophomore was a perfect 6-for-6 in PAT's and drilled a season-best 34-yard field goal early in the second quarter. His eight kickoffs traveled a total of 467 yards, averaging 58.4 yards per boot.

Notes:

This week's schedule:

Centre (4-2, 2-1 SAA) at Hendrix (2-4, 1-2 SAA), 1:00pm CDT
Colonels, coming off a disheartening Homecoming loss, will attempt to stay in the SAA race in a game they should win, but the Warriors have shown signs of life recently and play much better at home than they do on the road.  Hendrix QB Jacob Wood is coming off the best performance of his career (23-28 for 3 TDs, 346 yards in addition to 2 rushing TDs vs. Sewanee) and hopes to make what could be his last Senior Day a memorable one.

Berry (4-2, 2-1 SAA) at #7/#6 Trinity (6-0, 3-0), 1:00pm CDT
Another must-win for a visiting team as the Vikings hope to continue the momentum that started in the fourth quarter at Centre last week, when they scored three TDs in the final 10:53 (one with five seconds left) to send the game into OT, and climaxed when Elohim Hull blocked what would have been the Colonels' OT-tying PAT to stun the Homecoming faithful.   Less clear is whether the visitors will start Gavin Gray or Blake Hembree at QB; Gray was the starter in the first four games but Hembree, who struggled to a 13-30, 161 yard/2 TD performance against Centre, has seen all the action the last two weeks.  Berry, with a season-high 221 yards rushing last week, has had an effective ground game most of the season, but against a Tiger rushing defense allowing less than 50 yards per game will likely have to have success in the air to pull off the upset. Trinity will be observing their version of homecoming ("Alumni Weekend") which could give the Vikings the chance to send a big crowd home unhappy for the second week running.

Rhodes (2-4, 0-3 SAA) at Millsaps (3-3, 2-1 SAA), 5:30pm CDT
Quick, name a team still in the SAA race?  If you said Millsaps, you'd be right as the Majors still only have one conference loss, though the 28-0 shutout against B-SC last week probably is a solid indicator of their chances of remaining in that category much longer after this week.   Rhodes is coming off a somnolescent performance at home against Trinity, haven't scored in nine-plus quarters while being outscored 86-0, and may not win another game this season.

Birmingham-Southern (4-2, 2-1 SAA) at Sewanee (2-4, 0-3 SAA), 7:00pm CDT
Most weeks I talk about Sewanee getting their first SAA win of the '20s - this is not one of them.  Panthers are still hoping for a long shot Pool C bid; we'll get an inkling if they show up in the initial NCAA regional rankings next week, though those will probably be of the nearly useless alphabetical variety the NCAA favors for such things. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2022, 05:31:22 PM
From discussion in today's In the (D3FB) Huddle podcast (https://www.facebook.com/watch/live?ref=watch_permalink&v=1074195509880280), it sounds like Berry's Gavin Gray is out for the season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2022, 09:57:00 AM
Looks like it's going to be quite windy this afternoon in San Antonio (I can already hear it blowing outside in Austin) which will have an impact on the passing and kicking games.  Going into the wind (going left to right on your monitor) is going to be a challenge.  Temperatures will also going to be warm as it'll push 90 by the end of the game with fairly high humidity and sunny conditions. 

Interesting factoid of the week:  In their short (four game) history, neither Berry or Trinity have won on their home field.   The visitors won in San Antonio in 2019 (14-10) and 2017 (24-21) while Trinity won in Mt. Berry in 2021 (27-6) and 2018 (21-17). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 22, 2022, 10:29:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2022, 09:57:00 AM
Looks like it's going to be quite windy this afternoon in San Antonio (I can already hear it blowing outside in Austin) which will have an impact on the passing and kicking games.  Going into the wind (going left to right on your monitor) is going to be a challenge.  Temperatures will also going to be warm as it'll push 90 by the end of the game with fairly high humidity and sunny conditions. 

Interesting factoid of the week:  In their short (four game) history, neither Berry or Trinity have won on their home field.   The visitors won in San Antonio in 2019 (14-10) and 2017 (24-21) while Trinity won in Mt. Berry in 2021 (27-6) and 2018 (21-17).

GO VIKINGS!!!!  Really need a win from you guys today.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 22, 2022, 03:10:40 PM
14-7 Trinity at the half. Berry having good success against Trinity's stout run defense. But also getting helped by two questionable calls by the refs: one on an interception by a Berry CB in the end zone when he looked out of bounds, and the second at the end of the half on an extremely clear fumble by Berry's RB that was called down.

Trinity's offense continues to look "meh," although this week they are without their 2nd and 3rd best receivers. We'll see what adjustments are made at half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 22, 2022, 04:42:49 PM
21-14 Final in SA. Trinity's D clamped down in the second half, but Berry blocked a Trinity field goal and returned it for a TD early in the 3rd which kept the score close. Trinity put up 375 yards on the day, but it didn't seem it. I know we haven't been at full strength on offense all year, but we shouldn't look this flat.

On the plus side, Trinity's addition of a drone to its broadcast is fantastic and creates a perspective I don't think any other D3 team offers. If they tweak some of the lighting settings to account for the reflection off of the field during day-games, it would look near-professional. Too bad there aren't any remaining night games because I would love to see it at night. Really love the strides the broadcast has made the last few years - the production now probably rivals any of the top D3 broadcasts out there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 22, 2022, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 22, 2022, 04:42:49 PM
21-14 Final in SA. Trinity's D clamped down in the second half, but Berry blocked a Trinity field goal and returned it for a TD early in the 3rd which kept the score close. Trinity put up 375 yards on the day, but it didn't seem it. I know we haven't been at full strength on offense all year, but we shouldn't look this flat.

On the plus side, Trinity's addition of a drone to its broadcast is fantastic and creates a perspective I don't think any other D3 team offers. If they tweak some of the lighting settings to account for the reflection off of the field during day-games, it would look near-professional. Too bad there aren't any remaining night games because I would love to see it at night. Really love the strides the broadcast has made the last few years - the production now probably rivals any of the top D3 broadcasts out there.

Echo all said above about the game.  Would like to see some more creative play-calling.  Seemed very one-dimensional, particularly the run game today.

Agree as well on the broadcast.  It appeared there was a point of contention about the drone in the first quarter and play was stopped for maybe five minutes.  It might have been something else, but the drone continued to operate.

One request to anyone who can address it: the PA system is WAY too loud.  It's hard to talk to the person next to you in the stands when the music is playing.  It's extremely disruptive.

Hoping everyone can get healthy and TU hits stride soon!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 22, 2022, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2022, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 22, 2022, 04:42:49 PM
21-14 Final in SA. Trinity's D clamped down in the second half, but Berry blocked a Trinity field goal and returned it for a TD early in the 3rd which kept the score close. Trinity put up 375 yards on the day, but it didn't seem it. I know we haven't been at full strength on offense all year, but we shouldn't look this flat.

On the plus side, Trinity's addition of a drone to its broadcast is fantastic and creates a perspective I don't think any other D3 team offers. If they tweak some of the lighting settings to account for the reflection off of the field during day-games, it would look near-professional. Too bad there aren't any remaining night games because I would love to see it at night. Really love the strides the broadcast has made the last few years - the production now probably rivals any of the top D3 broadcasts out there.

Agree as well on the broadcast.  It appeared there was a point of contention about the drone in the first quarter and play was stopped for maybe five minutes.  It might have been something else, but the drone continued to operate.


Think this actually had something to do with Berry's communication system going down temporarily. But if it was for some reason about the drone, would hope Trinity informed Berry's staff before-hand they intended to use it for the broadcast. But can't really see any complaint about it - D1/Pro teams have cameras flying overhead all game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 22, 2022, 07:22:47 PM
It's 7-3 B-SC on the Mountain.  Hoping, but not expecting, B-SC's first drive isn't the way things are going to go the rest of the game as they pretty much slammed it in on our defense.

We've been using a drone for a couple of years for getting game video.   Better solution than using the man-lift we used in the past.     Using that video in the broadcast stream requires being able to do a multi-cam setup which is a bit more complicated than what I see in most places.   Neat idea tho'.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2022, 08:49:11 PM
Not sure where they found the team playing today, but Rhodes has risen from the dead to lead Millsaps 24-7 early-mid Q4 in Jackson.

UW-Platteville upset #3 UW-Whitewater today which should make HSU's case for a Pool C stronger.  HSU could head to San Antonio for the first round if they and Trinity win out (and UW-P gets and stays regionally ranked)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 22, 2022, 08:53:32 PM
The predicted beat-down has finally started on The Mountain as B-SC goes up 44-3 after an incredibly silly decision on our QB's part leads to an INT by a defensive lineman. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2022, 09:32:37 PM
O hell, I thought UWP only had two losses; they have three.  Gonna be hard to get in the regional rankings even if they don't lose again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 23, 2022, 12:54:27 PM
My visit to the Mountain, first off, Sewanee has a beautiful campus, without a doubt.  We travels out entire team for this one, and I think we had more players than Sewanee had fans in the stands.  Sewanee's best player may be their punter, that kid could boom the ball.  We had a slow start on offense, but scored three quick TD's to start the second half to put it away and finally got some younger guys to get some playing time.  Something we haven't been able to do this season as our offense has sputtered to put other teams away that should have been. 

I needed Berry to beat Trinity, and unfortunately they came up a TD short.  Now need some help in the ASC and around the country to get a Pool C bid into the playoffs.  But right now the guys have to keep that dream alive and keep themselves in that position. 

With all of Sewanee's football history, and I get you guys are a very tough academic school, how do you not field a team of more than, what, 45 kids???  I realize D3 is "what it is" but can y'all not put a little more effort into it???
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 23, 2022, 08:18:27 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 23, 2022, 12:54:27 PM

With all of Sewanee's football history, and I get you guys are a very tough academic school, how do you not field a team of more than, what, 45 kids???  I realize D3 is "what it is" but can y'all not put a little more effort into it???

Caveat: Solely my opinion, and stating these opinions in the past has upset a number of the nabobs and poobahs on The Mountain.   So do take the upcoming rant for what it's worth...

You are seeing the effect of thirty years worth of Vice Chancellors and a long-serving Athletic Director treating football with a "just don't make us look too bad" mentality. There's been a "just beat Rhodes and every now and then beat W&L and you'll be OK" mindset about football on The Mountain since I was student in the early 1980s.     Bill Samko had a start at building a winning program at Sewanee in the early 1990s but I was told that a feeling of lack of support from his bosses got him looking around and getting that job at Tufts.   But there's been some rather less than successful coaching hires in the time since then.   

We've had a change in ADs in the past three years and I thought the hire of Travis Rundle good for bringing in a coach with playing and coaching experience in a successful program.   But Covid and the lack of success over the past few years has just sapped interest on campus in the program.  But there wasn't a lot of that interest in place to begin with.   And I've seen some poor recruiting, particularly on the defense side of the ball,  and watched a bunch of kids leave the team because of friction with the staff in that time.

Sewanee can put winning programs on the field.  We just had a pair of kids win a National Championship in doubles tennis as part of a tennis program that's been good for over thirty years,  women's soccer is the #1 seed going into SAA championship, men's soccer has been competitive this year, and we get really good support from the student body for both men's and women's basketball. 

I'm curious to see what happens in the off-season.  I figure, unless something unexpected happens in Memphis next weekend,  that we'll end up with a 2-8 record this season.  I think that Coach Rundle got a mulligan because of the pandemic but I don't know if going from 0 wins to 2 wins (with no wins again in conference with some ugly beatdowns) will be enough to keep him in the job.   OTOH, we have history of keeping coaches longer than what we should at times.

On we go.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HSUCowboy2015 on October 24, 2022, 07:47:28 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2022, 09:32:37 PM
O hell, I thought UWP only had two losses; they have three.  Gonna be hard to get in the regional rankings even if they don't lose again.

They have three, but one is to a DII school at the beginning of the year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2022, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 23, 2022, 08:18:27 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 23, 2022, 12:54:27 PM

With all of Sewanee's football history, and I get you guys are a very tough academic school, how do you not field a team of more than, what, 45 kids???  I realize D3 is "what it is" but can y'all not put a little more effort into it???

Caveat: Solely my opinion, and stating these opinions in the past has upset a number of the nabobs and poobahs on The Mountain.   So do take the upcoming rant for what it's worth...

You are seeing the effect of thirty years worth of Vice Chancellors and a long-serving Athletic Director treating football with a "just don't make us look too bad" mentality. There's been a "just beat Rhodes and every now and then beat W&L and you'll be OK" mindset about football on The Mountain since I was student in the early 1980s.     Bill Samko had a start at building a winning program at Sewanee in the early 1990s but I was told that a feeling of lack of support from his bosses got him looking around and getting that job at Tufts.   But there's been some rather less than successful coaching hires in the time since then.   

We've had a change in ADs in the past three years and I thought the hire of Travis Rundle good for bringing in a coach with playing and coaching experience in a successful program.   But Covid and the lack of success over the past few years has just sapped interest on campus in the program.  But there wasn't a lot of that interest in place to begin with.   And I've seen some poor recruiting, particularly on the defense side of the ball,  and watched a bunch of kids leave the team because of friction with the staff in that time.

Sewanee can put winning programs on the field.  We just had a pair of kids win a National Championship in doubles tennis as part of a tennis program that's been good for over thirty years,  women's soccer is the #1 seed going into SAA championship, men's soccer has been competitive this year, and we get really good support from the student body for both men's and women's basketball. 

I'm curious to see what happens in the off-season.  I figure, unless something unexpected happens in Memphis next weekend,  that we'll end up with a 2-8 record this season.  I think that Coach Rundle got a mulligan because of the pandemic but I don't know if going from 0 wins to 2 wins (with no wins again in conference with some ugly beatdowns) will be enough to keep him in the job.   OTOH, we have history of keeping coaches longer than what we should at times.

On we go.

I hope your administration (and AD) give your new coach some time.  It takes a while to rebuild a program and hopefully your staff can point to the progress made this year to attract a few more players next season and retain those who are already there.  I counted 15+11+26+20 on the roster; if your #1s have any injury issues the depth runs out quick.  It took Trinity close to two decades (after a president took over that didn't care much for football) to get back to where they are today.  I've seen TU's new president at more games in the four I've attended this year than in all his decade of service ...

Speaking of injuries, I sure hope Trinity can get some of their guys back on the offensive side of the ball before season's end.  One reason for the offensive struggles as compared to last year are the number of receivers and linemen who have lost significant playing time.

Officiating in San Antonio was ... well, they say you get what you pay for in D3.  I think the INT in the end zone was correct (the Berry player was on top of the receiver who was on the ground in the end zone when he ripped the ball away; doesn't that count as in-bounds?) but there was a very iffy interference call in the same end zone corner that led to Berry's only offensive TD, an offensive hold called on a pancake block that wiped out a first down in the second half, the blown fumble at the end of the first, and an even more egregious PI call that was thankfully waved off.  I'm not sure Trinity's last reception was a catch or a trap, either; certainly the Berry players felt the latter as it got pretty heated and the guy that had the PAT block last week ended up getting ejected after being rung up twice for unsportsmanlike conduct, apparently the ref didn't like what he heard as there was nothing physical.   

Got to see the drone video on the replay ... pretty cool.  Didn't hear or see it but I guess I was looking down at the field all game instead of up into the air.   What a nice addition to what is already a pretty good broadcast. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 24, 2022, 11:09:33 AM
Some of the conference does a great job with their broadcast, some not so much.  Some seem to just have the one camera at the 50 that moves back and forth to the games that have multiple views with replays.  Not sure which school does it, might be Trinity, but has the radio broadcast guys calling the TV game, that, I thought, was excellent.  Probably the best audio of any of them. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 24, 2022, 10:52:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2022, 10:52:58 AM
I hope your administration (and AD) give your new coach some time.  It takes a while to rebuild a program and hopefully your staff can point to the progress made this year to attract a few more players next season and retain those who are already there.  I counted 15+11+26+20 on the roster; if your #1s have any injury issues the depth runs out quick.  It took Trinity close to two decades (after a president took over that didn't care much for football) to get back to where they are today.  I've seen TU's new president at more games in the four I've attended this year than in all his decade of service ...

This is year 2 for our new AD but he's been involved in the Department for ages as he and his wife were the coaches responsible for building the tennis program into what it is today.  Coach Shackelford was convinced to come out of retirement for the AD job and is rather well respected both internally and externally.   

Bit of a leadership vacuum at the moment on the Mountain as our Regents made the wrong hire with our previous Vice Chancellor by going for style rather than substance.  Search process is on-going and I expect a new person to be wearing that ermine robe at Convocation next year. To our Interim VC's credit, I've seen Dr. Berner attending more games than her predecessor and showing up for games even when there isn't a large group of alumni to schmooze for donations unlike the long serving predecessor of her predecessor.

Like a lot of things around Sewanee,  culture change in the football program is needed to get a culture of winning imbued into the program.   So, my guess is that they'll give Coach Rundle one more year to get to his fifth year in the program.   But I think he will feel some heat in the seat if we don't see a movement towards at least 0.500 in the program next season. 

On we go...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2022, 11:14:35 AM
15 years ago today (:o) and still the only regular-season Trinity sporting event I've attended outside of Texas: 

QuoteOct. 27th, 2007, The Mississippi Miracle // 2 seconds left, trailing 24-22, @TrinityUTigers with the ball on its own 40 "CURRY SCORES, CURRY SCORES ON THE LATERAL" 

#SCACPride | #WhyD3

https://twitter.com/SCACStatsInfo/status/1585648232633626630



Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 29, 2022, 12:16:58 PM
Centre broadcast been hard to watch thus far. I don't know if they are in different locations or something, but the color commentator is talking all over the play-by-play guy. Play by play guy is great though. Camera guy seems to be watching the game rather than looking at what's going on in the lens.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 29, 2022, 12:23:59 PM
Quickly 14-0 Centre. Blown coverage led to a long TD over the top for Centre, followed by (I think?) I tipped INT that was intended to the RB on Trinity's 9 yard line. Sloppy start for Trinity overall - receivers once again don't seem to be getting open.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 29, 2022, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 29, 2022, 12:23:59 PM
Quickly 14-0 Centre. Blown coverage led to a long TD over the top for Centre, followed by (I think?) I tipped INT that was intended to the RB on Trinity's 9 yard line. Sloppy start for Trinity overall - receivers once again don't seem to be getting open.

Huge Pick-6 by Trinity to end the half makes it 17-14 Tigers at the break. After scoring two quick TD's, things calmed down a bit for Centre as they didn't score the rest of the half, although they had a good drive going in the last minutes of the 2nd before the pick-6. Trinity's O-line, who is starting two freshman this week, hasn't played great on the run. Trinity all but abandoned the run in the 2nd half, and they have a whooping -1 rushing yards in the 1st half. Conversely, Urban is having Horn sling the heck out of the ball as he is 19-29 for 178 yards in the first half. Horn looked much more comfortable in the 2nd quarter and made some great throws, but got plagued by some bad drops. Would still love one game where we have our WR core at full strength before we get to the end of the season.

Centre's run game looked solid to start the game, but Trinity's defense has tightened things up overall after the quick 14 points against them. Hoping Trinity keeps the pedal on the metal in the 2nd, although Centre gets the ball to start.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2022, 01:24:21 PM
Trinity is getting zero pressure on the Centre QB (and now looks like Osterman got hurt as Buchanan played most of the second quarter) whereas the Colonel defense is getting after Horn with four sacks, two of which came on fourth downs.   It look like we made some adjustments in the second quarter, more quick hit passes, but it's surprising how fast we abandoned the run. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2022, 02:12:12 PM
But man this camera work is weak.

I will give the Centre announcers props for doing some research about the opposing team's players and interjecting nice facts about them!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 29, 2022, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2022, 02:12:12 PM
But man this camera work is weak.

I will give the Centre announcers props for doing some research about the opposing team's players and interjecting nice facts about them!

Yes - I'm very impressed with the play-by-play guy's preparation for the game. And he has saved content to spread across all four quarters. Have really enjoyed him calling the game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 29, 2022, 02:54:07 PM
41-21 final in Danville. Trinity kept the momentum going in the 2nd half, with Centre's only score being a bomb on a flea-flicker-esque play. Trinity's secondary has really got to clamp down on the big plays, which has been problematic for them all year. Take out the two big plays over the top, and Centre didn't have much success at all on offense. Centre's O-line came as advertised, as Trinity's D didn't get much pressure at all in the backfield.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2022, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2022, 02:12:12 PM
But man this camera work is weak.

I will give the Centre announcers props for doing some research about the opposing team's players and interjecting nice facts about them!

Agreed -- I was surprised to learn about who likes to go to the beach, for example. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 02, 2022, 02:49:44 PM
I get why they are doing it, but from a competition standpoint, I'm pretty bummed about Trinity reverting back to playing football in the SCAC. The level of play in the SAA has risen dramatically in the last five years, to the point it is now a well-respected football conference. Obviously, I'm sure that BSC and others might be somewhat relieved that they won't have to play Trinity anymore from an AQ standpoint. But, obviously the better the conference, the higher the chance that you get a second pool C bid. Hopefully Trinity continues to play some of the SAA schools after 2024, but I'm sure those rivalries will drift away just like Trinity's rivalries against Depauw, etc.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on November 02, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 02, 2022, 02:49:44 PM
I get why they are doing it, but from a competition standpoint, I'm pretty bummed about Trinity reverting back to playing football in the SCAC. The level of play in the SAA has risen dramatically in the last five years, to the point it is now a well-respected football conference. Obviously, I'm sure that BSC and others might be somewhat relieved that they won't have to play Trinity anymore from an AQ standpoint. But, obviously the better the conference, the higher the chance that you get a second pool C bid. Hopefully Trinity continues to play some of the SAA schools after 2024, but I'm sure those rivalries will drift away just like Trinity's rivalries against Depauw, etc.

This is one of those times I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the room where these decisions are made. From everything I have heard through fans and social media, Trinity loved the high level of competition in the SAA and saw the travel as a benefit. Well both of those things seem to run against what you would initially expect from the SCAC as I think most would put Trinity as the clear favorites and the travel takes a fairly large step back. Neither of these things are bad and most people are of course going to champion the benefits of wherever they currently are but like I said it would just be interesting to hear the reasoning for bringing the band together somewhat. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 02, 2022, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: crufootball on November 02, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 02, 2022, 02:49:44 PM
I get why they are doing it, but from a competition standpoint, I'm pretty bummed about Trinity reverting back to playing football in the SCAC. The level of play in the SAA has risen dramatically in the last five years, to the point it is now a well-respected football conference. Obviously, I'm sure that BSC and others might be somewhat relieved that they won't have to play Trinity anymore from an AQ standpoint. But, obviously the better the conference, the higher the chance that you get a second pool C bid. Hopefully Trinity continues to play some of the SAA schools after 2024, but I'm sure those rivalries will drift away just like Trinity's rivalries against Depauw, etc.

This is one of those times I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the room where these decisions are made. From everything I have heard through fans and social media, Trinity loved the high level of competition in the SAA and saw the travel as a benefit. Well both of those things seem to run against what you would initially expect from the SCAC as I think most would put Trinity as the clear favorites and the travel takes a fairly large step back. Neither of these things are bad and most people are of course going to champion the benefits of wherever they currently are but like I said it would just be interesting to hear the reasoning for bringing the band together somewhat.

It's entirely possible Trinity was just outvoted. They are members of the SCAC for all their other sports. Football is an affiliation. If the rest of the SCAC is willing to have football, Trinity either needs to be in the SCAC for football, or leave the conference altogether. You can't be in a conference but not participate in a single sponsored sport. No one else in that conference is going to like you saying... "we like the convenience here for everything else, but we think we can do better for sport x." That's not how these things work.

The SAA made it clear that they didn't want Trinity for all sports. Pretty much the purpose of the SAA was to cut off the schools that were too far travel-wise. It was a nice marriage of convenience for a while in football, but the SAA no longer needs Trinity, and Trinity will have a new home.

What was Trinity supposed to do? Tell the other SCAC schools NOT to do football? How would that work? And where else could Trinity go for all sports?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on November 02, 2022, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 02, 2022, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: crufootball on November 02, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 02, 2022, 02:49:44 PM
I get why they are doing it, but from a competition standpoint, I'm pretty bummed about Trinity reverting back to playing football in the SCAC. The level of play in the SAA has risen dramatically in the last five years, to the point it is now a well-respected football conference. Obviously, I'm sure that BSC and others might be somewhat relieved that they won't have to play Trinity anymore from an AQ standpoint. But, obviously the better the conference, the higher the chance that you get a second pool C bid. Hopefully Trinity continues to play some of the SAA schools after 2024, but I'm sure those rivalries will drift away just like Trinity's rivalries against Depauw, etc.

This is one of those times I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the room where these decisions are made. From everything I have heard through fans and social media, Trinity loved the high level of competition in the SAA and saw the travel as a benefit. Well both of those things seem to run against what you would initially expect from the SCAC as I think most would put Trinity as the clear favorites and the travel takes a fairly large step back. Neither of these things are bad and most people are of course going to champion the benefits of wherever they currently are but like I said it would just be interesting to hear the reasoning for bringing the band together somewhat.

It's entirely possible Trinity was just outvoted. They are members of the SCAC for all their other sports. Football is an affiliation. If the rest of the SCAC is willing to have football, Trinity either needs to be in the SCAC for football, or leave the conference altogether. You can't be in a conference but not participate in a single sponsored sport. No one else in that conference is going to like you saying... "we like the convenience here for everything else, but we think we can do better for sport x." That's not how these things work.

The SAA made it clear that they didn't want Trinity for all sports. Pretty much the purpose of the SAA was to cut off the schools that were too far travel-wise. It was a nice marriage of convenience for a while in football, but the SAA no longer needs Trinity, and Trinity will have a new home.

What was Trinity supposed to do? Tell the other SCAC schools NOT to do football? How would that work? And where else could Trinity go for all sports?

And speaking of other sports, I wouldn't blame the other SAA schools for not wanting to have Trinity across the board. You're adding a juggernaut in multiple sports, like WBB, WS, MS, VB, BSB, swimming, tennis... and it goes on. I can absolutely see why they might not have been able to find a home in the SAA full-time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 02, 2022, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 02, 2022, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: crufootball on November 02, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 02, 2022, 02:49:44 PM
I get why they are doing it, but from a competition standpoint, I'm pretty bummed about Trinity reverting back to playing football in the SCAC. The level of play in the SAA has risen dramatically in the last five years, to the point it is now a well-respected football conference. Obviously, I'm sure that BSC and others might be somewhat relieved that they won't have to play Trinity anymore from an AQ standpoint. But, obviously the better the conference, the higher the chance that you get a second pool C bid. Hopefully Trinity continues to play some of the SAA schools after 2024, but I'm sure those rivalries will drift away just like Trinity's rivalries against Depauw, etc.

This is one of those times I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the room where these decisions are made. From everything I have heard through fans and social media, Trinity loved the high level of competition in the SAA and saw the travel as a benefit. Well both of those things seem to run against what you would initially expect from the SCAC as I think most would put Trinity as the clear favorites and the travel takes a fairly large step back. Neither of these things are bad and most people are of course going to champion the benefits of wherever they currently are but like I said it would just be interesting to hear the reasoning for bringing the band together somewhat.

It's entirely possible Trinity was just outvoted. They are members of the SCAC for all their other sports. Football is an affiliation. If the rest of the SCAC is willing to have football, Trinity either needs to be in the SCAC for football, or leave the conference altogether. You can't be in a conference but not participate in a single sponsored sport. No one else in that conference is going to like you saying... "we like the convenience here for everything else, but we think we can do better for sport x." That's not how these things work.

The SAA made it clear that they didn't want Trinity for all sports. Pretty much the purpose of the SAA was to cut off the schools that were too far travel-wise. It was a nice marriage of convenience for a while in football, but the SAA no longer needs Trinity, and Trinity will have a new home.

What was Trinity supposed to do? Tell the other SCAC schools NOT to do football? How would that work? And where else could Trinity go for all sports?

Seems the ASC might be looking for another program...haha. In all seriousness, it is disappointing to see Trinity leave the SAA. Echoing what others have mentioned already, the SAA is on the rise as a really solid football conference. Had 2 playoff teams last year. This will only create more conferences dominated by one or two teams, rather than the parity we see in conferences like the Liberty League. Unless another school really steps up, Trinity will dominate in the SCAC. They'll need to put together a really strong non-conference schedule, but even with that, it will be a while before the SCAC gets a Pool C bid in my opinion.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 02, 2022, 04:27:30 PM
Quote from: jekelish on November 02, 2022, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 02, 2022, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: crufootball on November 02, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 02, 2022, 02:49:44 PM
I get why they are doing it, but from a competition standpoint, I'm pretty bummed about Trinity reverting back to playing football in the SCAC. The level of play in the SAA has risen dramatically in the last five years, to the point it is now a well-respected football conference. Obviously, I'm sure that BSC and others might be somewhat relieved that they won't have to play Trinity anymore from an AQ standpoint. But, obviously the better the conference, the higher the chance that you get a second pool C bid. Hopefully Trinity continues to play some of the SAA schools after 2024, but I'm sure those rivalries will drift away just like Trinity's rivalries against Depauw, etc.

This is one of those times I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the room where these decisions are made. From everything I have heard through fans and social media, Trinity loved the high level of competition in the SAA and saw the travel as a benefit. Well both of those things seem to run against what you would initially expect from the SCAC as I think most would put Trinity as the clear favorites and the travel takes a fairly large step back. Neither of these things are bad and most people are of course going to champion the benefits of wherever they currently are but like I said it would just be interesting to hear the reasoning for bringing the band together somewhat.

It's entirely possible Trinity was just outvoted. They are members of the SCAC for all their other sports. Football is an affiliation. If the rest of the SCAC is willing to have football, Trinity either needs to be in the SCAC for football, or leave the conference altogether. You can't be in a conference but not participate in a single sponsored sport. No one else in that conference is going to like you saying... "we like the convenience here for everything else, but we think we can do better for sport x." That's not how these things work.

The SAA made it clear that they didn't want Trinity for all sports. Pretty much the purpose of the SAA was to cut off the schools that were too far travel-wise. It was a nice marriage of convenience for a while in football, but the SAA no longer needs Trinity, and Trinity will have a new home.

What was Trinity supposed to do? Tell the other SCAC schools NOT to do football? How would that work? And where else could Trinity go for all sports?

And speaking of other sports, I wouldn't blame the other SAA schools for not wanting to have Trinity across the board. You're adding a juggernaut in multiple sports, like WBB, WS, MS, VB, BSB, swimming, tennis... and it goes on. I can absolutely see why they might not have been able to find a home in the SAA full-time.

The SAA broke off from the SCAC years ago. Trinity was left behind then as were the other geographic outliers. I don't think it's a competitive thing, so much as a "we didn't want you then, it worked for both of us to do just for football now, but hey... I'm glad you can do something else in the future" from the SAA's point of view.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on November 02, 2022, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 02, 2022, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: crufootball on November 02, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 02, 2022, 02:49:44 PM
I get why they are doing it, but from a competition standpoint, I'm pretty bummed about Trinity reverting back to playing football in the SCAC. The level of play in the SAA has risen dramatically in the last five years, to the point it is now a well-respected football conference. Obviously, I'm sure that BSC and others might be somewhat relieved that they won't have to play Trinity anymore from an AQ standpoint. But, obviously the better the conference, the higher the chance that you get a second pool C bid. Hopefully Trinity continues to play some of the SAA schools after 2024, but I'm sure those rivalries will drift away just like Trinity's rivalries against Depauw, etc.

This is one of those times I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the room where these decisions are made. From everything I have heard through fans and social media, Trinity loved the high level of competition in the SAA and saw the travel as a benefit. Well both of those things seem to run against what you would initially expect from the SCAC as I think most would put Trinity as the clear favorites and the travel takes a fairly large step back. Neither of these things are bad and most people are of course going to champion the benefits of wherever they currently are but like I said it would just be interesting to hear the reasoning for bringing the band together somewhat.

It's entirely possible Trinity was just outvoted. They are members of the SCAC for all their other sports. Football is an affiliation. If the rest of the SCAC is willing to have football, Trinity either needs to be in the SCAC for football, or leave the conference altogether. You can't be in a conference but not participate in a single sponsored sport. No one else in that conference is going to like you saying... "we like the convenience here for everything else, but we think we can do better for sport x." That's not how these things work.

The SAA made it clear that they didn't want Trinity for all sports. Pretty much the purpose of the SAA was to cut off the schools that were too far travel-wise. It was a nice marriage of convenience for a while in football, but the SAA no longer needs Trinity, and Trinity will have a new home.

What was Trinity supposed to do? Tell the other SCAC schools NOT to do football? How would that work? And where else could Trinity go for all sports?

No doubt that could be it but I find myself very intrigued by the logistics of situations, how did this ball get rolling and did it roll over Trinity or did Trinity help in the pushing?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on November 02, 2022, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 02, 2022, 04:27:30 PM
Quote from: jekelish on November 02, 2022, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 02, 2022, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: crufootball on November 02, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 02, 2022, 02:49:44 PM
I get why they are doing it, but from a competition standpoint, I'm pretty bummed about Trinity reverting back to playing football in the SCAC. The level of play in the SAA has risen dramatically in the last five years, to the point it is now a well-respected football conference. Obviously, I'm sure that BSC and others might be somewhat relieved that they won't have to play Trinity anymore from an AQ standpoint. But, obviously the better the conference, the higher the chance that you get a second pool C bid. Hopefully Trinity continues to play some of the SAA schools after 2024, but I'm sure those rivalries will drift away just like Trinity's rivalries against Depauw, etc.

This is one of those times I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the room where these decisions are made. From everything I have heard through fans and social media, Trinity loved the high level of competition in the SAA and saw the travel as a benefit. Well both of those things seem to run against what you would initially expect from the SCAC as I think most would put Trinity as the clear favorites and the travel takes a fairly large step back. Neither of these things are bad and most people are of course going to champion the benefits of wherever they currently are but like I said it would just be interesting to hear the reasoning for bringing the band together somewhat.

It's entirely possible Trinity was just outvoted. They are members of the SCAC for all their other sports. Football is an affiliation. If the rest of the SCAC is willing to have football, Trinity either needs to be in the SCAC for football, or leave the conference altogether. You can't be in a conference but not participate in a single sponsored sport. No one else in that conference is going to like you saying... "we like the convenience here for everything else, but we think we can do better for sport x." That's not how these things work.

The SAA made it clear that they didn't want Trinity for all sports. Pretty much the purpose of the SAA was to cut off the schools that were too far travel-wise. It was a nice marriage of convenience for a while in football, but the SAA no longer needs Trinity, and Trinity will have a new home.

What was Trinity supposed to do? Tell the other SCAC schools NOT to do football? How would that work? And where else could Trinity go for all sports?

And speaking of other sports, I wouldn't blame the other SAA schools for not wanting to have Trinity across the board. You're adding a juggernaut in multiple sports, like WBB, WS, MS, VB, BSB, swimming, tennis... and it goes on. I can absolutely see why they might not have been able to find a home in the SAA full-time.

The SAA broke off from the SCAC years ago. Trinity was left behind then as were the other geographic outliers. I don't think it's a competitive thing, so much as a "we didn't want you then, it worked for both of us to do just for football now, but hey... I'm glad you can do something else in the future" from the SAA's point of view.

Oh, trust me, I know - I'm an Austin College guy so I witnessed that whole breakup. And you very well come be right. But it also wouldn't surprise me, based on some of the things I've heard (from people with some connections), if it was at least partially influenced by those schools realizing they'd excised a behemoth, and were glad to have done so and weren't exactly excited by the prospect of welcoming them back in across the board.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2022, 04:56:42 PM
We actually don't KNOW the SAA wouldn't accept Trinity if they applied for full membership, though with travel costs it seems unlikely on both ends.  If you look at the latest USN&WR rankings they slot right in with most of the SAA membership (Centre is higher, most of the others are very similar, and yes I realize there's more to compatibility than those rankings).   What we do know is they didn't want to associate with what was then the SCAC-W as a whole.  Colorado College's academics are better than Trinity's, but most of the others are not and that's what the SAA hangs their collective hat on.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 02, 2022, 05:15:51 PM
Quote from: crufootball on November 02, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 02, 2022, 02:49:44 PM
I get why they are doing it, but from a competition standpoint, I'm pretty bummed about Trinity reverting back to playing football in the SCAC. The level of play in the SAA has risen dramatically in the last five years, to the point it is now a well-respected football conference. Obviously, I'm sure that BSC and others might be somewhat relieved that they won't have to play Trinity anymore from an AQ standpoint. But, obviously the better the conference, the higher the chance that you get a second pool C bid. Hopefully Trinity continues to play some of the SAA schools after 2024, but I'm sure those rivalries will drift away just like Trinity's rivalries against Depauw, etc.

This is one of those times I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the room where these decisions are made. From everything I have heard through fans and social media, Trinity loved the high level of competition in the SAA and saw the travel as a benefit. Well both of those things seem to run against what you would initially expect from the SCAC as I think most would put Trinity as the clear favorites and the travel takes a fairly large step back. Neither of these things are bad and most people are of course going to champion the benefits of wherever they currently are but like I said it would just be interesting to hear the reasoning for bringing the band together somewhat.

This is consistent with the vibe I got from an interview I did with Coach Urban for the ATN piece I did on Trinity about a year ago.  But I would really expect nothing less.  Almost every coach I talk to will take whatever situation they're given and figure out to make it a positive.  And they kind of have to.  There's just no room for negativity in these kinds of competitive spaces.  I'm sure Trinity (and everybody else in the reborn SCAC football conference) will accentuate the positives of the new arrangement as well. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 02, 2022, 09:54:48 PM
Who knows what happened. I'm sure there will be excitement and remorse....the future has its bright spots with endless possibilities, but in know the SAA matchups were old SCAC rivalries. The new conference looks like a reboot but also welcomes a lot of new faces.

Maybe the SAA can steal a member from the 9 team USASouth. They have a lot of good programs. Berry-BSC-Centre...Hendrix is two year removed from being the runner up. Millsaps was a juggernaut in football back in the 2000s. Rhodes has steadily improved as has UoS this year. They'll need a new member but not for a couple of years.

As for the new SCAC outlook, I'm curious to see whom of the teams will be a challenger come 2020 whatever they kickoff. TLU took over before the break up. Southwestern seems to be pouring in dining for sports. Austin should be more competitive moving away from the ASC. Maybe McM becomes the dark horse.

Kind of out of no where!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 02, 2022, 10:30:11 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on November 02, 2022, 09:54:48 PM

Maybe the SAA can steal a member from the 9 team USASouth. They have a lot of good programs. Berry-BSC-Centre...Hendrix is two year removed from being the runner up. Millsaps was a juggernaut in football back in the 2000s. Rhodes has steadily improved as has UoS this year. They'll need a new member but not for a couple of years.


Stranger things have happened but I'd put this into plausible but not probable category.    As mentioned up-thread, the SAA hangs it's hat as much on academics as it does athletics.   And of the USASouth and CCS schools, only Berea comes gets talked about that often in the "National Small Liberal Arts Colleges" category in the USN&WR.  Maryville and Huntingdon have history with the schools in our league but you don't hear them talked about as much in that category.     

And you have to factor in the push that Maryville and (to an extent) Huntingdon have made to launch the CCS.   But both of those schools would be a fit with the SAA and it would be fun to watch B-SC and Huntingdon go after each other as conference mates.   And the Maryville fans hate Sewanee almost as much as the Rhodes people hate us.  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2022, 01:34:33 PM
Trinity up 14-0 early Q2.  Millsaps doesn't have their starting QB and hasn't moved the ball much.   New QB in for the Majors this series. 

Good news for TU fans is that Casey Hampton made his first catch since early this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2022, 02:26:07 PM
All Trinity first half (despite a sloppy bit at the end) as the Tigers take a 26-0 lead into the locker room.  Millsaps had a golden opportunity late after a tip drill interception after Trinity received the ball after the safety, but three straight incomplete passes from the seven resulted in a field goal attempt (why?), and a high snap resulted in the holder being tackled for loss and no points.   Total yardage 279-58 in favor of Trinity. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 05, 2022, 02:55:36 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2022, 02:26:07 PM
All Trinity first half (despite a sloppy bit at the end) as the Tigers take a 26-0 lead into the locker room.  Millsaps had a golden opportunity late after a tip drill interception after Trinity received the ball after the safety, but three straight incomplete passes from the seven resulted in a field goal attempt (why?), and a high snap resulted in the holder being tackled for loss and no points.   Total yardage 279-58 in favor of Trinity.

Did Horn get injured or have they already put in the backups? Seems a little early with 8 mins left in 3rd. The backup Ryan Back looks like he has a pretty good arm. Haven't seen him much this year in situations where he gets to throw.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 05, 2022, 03:03:15 PM
I'm having trouble even getting signal. A lot of lag, but have been tuning into the HPU UMHb game!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2022, 03:30:34 PM
I didn't see a play that Tucker would have gotten hurt on.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on November 05, 2022, 04:26:13 PM
35-7 Berry at the half on the Mountain in unpleasant weather.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2022, 05:09:43 PM
B-SC's Jon Lewis had 341 yards and 4 TDs ... on *13 carries* in a 41-21 win over Centre.  D3FB ToTW here he comes ..
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 05, 2022, 05:20:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2022, 05:09:43 PM
B-SC's Jon Lewis had 341 yards and 4 TDs ... on *13 carries* in a 41-21 win over Centre.  D3FB ToTW here he comes ..

TD Runs of 36, 76, 14, and 90 yards. Goodness!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2022, 12:14:54 AM
Exciting game at War Memorial where Hendrix got past Rhodes 6-0.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2022, 09:15:22 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 05, 2022, 05:20:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2022, 05:09:43 PM
B-SC's Jon Lewis had 341 yards and 4 TDs ... on *13 carries* in a 41-21 win over Centre.  D3FB ToTW here he comes ..

TD Runs of 36, 76, 14, and 90 yards. Goodness!

Hope they nominate.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 06, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
Hopefully that will help some people take a better look at BSC.  To not even be listed in the NCAA list is a joke.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2022, 10:58:29 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 06, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
Hopefully that will help some people take a better look at BSC.  To not even be listed in the NCAA list is a joke.
Respectfully BSCpanthers, listed in the NCAA list?

Which list?

Thanks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 06, 2022, 01:36:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2022, 10:58:29 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 06, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
Hopefully that will help some people take a better look at BSC.  To not even be listed in the NCAA list is a joke.
Respectfully BSCpanthers, listed in the NCAA list?

Which list?

Thanks.

Regional Rankings. 

They have Bridgewater, but no BSC

https://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2022/giving-order-to-regional-rankings

It's like all they did was look at 8-0 and 7-1 with no real research at who those teams played and ow they got to that record. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 06, 2022, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2022, 10:58:29 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 06, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
Hopefully that will help some people take a better look at BSC.  To not even be listed in the NCAA list is a joke.
Respectfully BSCpanthers, listed in the NCAA list?

Which list?

Thanks.

I think he/she means in the last week's initial RR listing, not NCAA. I'm a bit of R3 Homer, but I'd say they'd go toe to with the top 7 this year that made it in last week's first batch. However, they "May" get overlooked from getting thump on the road against the national champions last year  in that outing at UMHB, but based on comparable scores, it's hard to dismiss them from not making it or being discussed. Very good resume. Yea they have two losses, but that's arguably to the two top teams in R3...and if not for some Tucker Horn magic, they may be the SAA front runner. Huntington lost to the clear leader or R6 by one score, who they lost by 3 to (watch some Linfield film), and then they brought it to possibly the R3 leader in their own house. BSC is not a team anyone west of the Mi crooked letter -  I - hump back hump back - I - that a team would want to face in rounds 1 or 2.

But with so many teams to pick from, and broader picture of available seats at the dining table, to get in the last 5 pool C selection is about like receiving a golden ticket of going to the Willy Wonka chocolate factory. BSC needed to split one of them. I think HSU gets the nod, and then the Bethel/STJ loser, and then probably the WIAC runner up. If they miss i would like to see them play one of those Wisconsin or Minnesota teams early next year to have a better picture as a measuring tool.  However, being presumably 8-2 they may not get discussed over an 9-1 Belhaven or 9-1 bridgewater this season...which stinks
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 06, 2022, 02:02:20 PM
Furthermore from above ^ I'd like to see another region with a BSC Berry HPU W&L not in the RR etc. I know R6 is deep as always but the 8-10 teams maybe a couple others show how hard it is to make the initial cut of 7. Being a Pool C team isn't easy, but making RRs is no joke either. Glad to see the region coming on the national spotlight
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2022, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on November 06, 2022, 02:02:20 PM
Furthermore from above ^ I'd like to see another region with a BSC Berry HPU W&L not in the RR etc. I know R6 is deep as always but the 8-10 teams maybe a couple others show how hard it is to make the initial cut of 7. Being a Pool C team isn't easy, but making RRs is no joke either. Glad to see the region coming on the national spotlight
+1! for the analysis.

I agree. HPU seems to be the most improved team over the season in the region this year. I do consider the reports that UMHB was playing "short-handed" due to illness, but HPU has played well the last 2 weeks.

What I would like to see is for the "East Region 3" teams meet the "West Region 3" teams in the post season. I would like to see a head-to-head between the ASC and the ODAC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 06, 2022, 07:43:30 PM
Would be fun to see some of the other teams play inner region ball so we have some common scores and comparables. I know Centre has always been a thorn in everyone's side, but missing their #1 & #2 QBs has shown this season. Makes you wonder how well they would have done this season m.
Berry has shuffled guys as well. Panthers and a tigers are missing some guys that I didn't see early on. Part of the game. Officiating or not, Cru dodged one in brownwood on Saturday,

Fun OOC  games would be...shuffle order how you see fit:
HSU BSC
Trinity RMc
UMHB Huntingdon
Berry HPU
Centre Bridgewater
Belhaven W&L
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 06, 2022, 09:56:55 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on November 06, 2022, 07:43:30 PM
Would be fun to see some of the other teams play inner region ball so we have some common scores and comparables. I know Centre has always been a thorn in everyone's side, but missing their #1 & #2 QBs has shown this season. Makes you wonder how well they would have done this season m.
Berry has shuffled guys as well. Panthers and a tigers are missing some guys that I didn't see early on. Part of the game. Officiating or not, Cru dodged one in brownwood on Saturday,

Fun OOC  games would be...shuffle order how you see fit:
HSU BSC
Trinity RMc
UMHB Huntingdon
Berry HPU
Centre Bridgewater
Belhaven W&L

Those would make some great postseason games as well.  So many good, deserving teams, are left home during the playoffs each year.  This year it will probably be my BSC Panthers.  But a post season game against HPU, since HSU is probably getting the Pool C would be a nice consolation.  If DIII could just make it economically feasible for a game like that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on November 06, 2022, 11:37:23 PM
I've thought for the last decade Trinity would be a good pre-conference game for LINFIELD.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2022, 12:11:50 AM
For a good part of the decade they weren't extraordinary:

2021   9-1, 7-0   SAA
2019   8-2, 7-1   SAA
2018   7-3, 6-2   SAA
2017   6-4, 5-3   SAA
2016   5-5, 3-3   SCAC
2015   8-2, 2-1   SCAC
2014   4-6, 2-1   SCAC
2013   5-5, 1-2   SCAC
2012   7-3, 0-0   IND
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on November 07, 2022, 01:51:05 AM
We played HSU when they were just good.
I'm looking for games is all.
I stand corrected again. Thanks 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2022, 08:09:33 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2022, 12:11:50 AM
For a good part of the decade they weren't extraordinary:

2021   9-1, 7-0   SAA
2019   8-2, 7-1   SAA
2018   7-3, 6-2   SAA
2017   6-4, 5-3   SAA
2016   5-5, 3-3   SCAC
2015   8-2, 2-1   SCAC
2014   4-6, 2-1   SCAC
2013   5-5, 1-2   SCAC
2012   7-3, 0-0   IND

Pat delivering the (painful) facts again.  Hope your voice is getting back to normal today, Pat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 09, 2022, 05:03:07 PM
The first real regional rankings are out (https://d3football.com/playoffs/2022/second-regional-ranking) - thank you Pat! - and with HSU as the top Region 3 team without a bid already secured, Platteville still in the rankings so that win will count in the final rankings next week even should they lose to La Crosse, it's hard to see anything other than the Cowboys coming to San Antonio on two weeks for the first round. 

And B-SC got into the rankings so Trinity's case as the top seed in the region will be even better next week when *that* result vs. RRO will be added to the tally.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 12, 2022, 01:08:20 PM
No audio for TU game today?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2022, 02:29:10 PM
TLU has something to say about who travels to SA this week, up 6-3 early at home over HSU (PAT blocked).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2022, 02:37:53 PM
Been all Trinity thus far in San Antonio. Backups put in to start the third quarter - 38-0 Trinity. BJ stewart with two punt return TDs. Also happy to finally see Austin Bertness back for the first time since Week 1 at WR. Perfect timing for the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2022, 02:46:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2022, 02:29:10 PM
TLU has something to say about who travels to SA this week, up 6-3 early at home over HSU (PAT blocked).

So does HSU, now up 17-6.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
Rhodes surprising BSC at half, 10-3.
Centre taking out their frustrations on Millsaps, 57-3 early Q4.
Berry doing the same to Hendrix, 34-0 at half.

Wheaton up big in their game (40-0 at half).
UW-P losing in theirs (17-0 at half) which is not such good news for HSU, and a BSC loss wouldn't do Trinity any favors either. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2022, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
Rhodes surprising BSC at half, 10-3.
Centre taking out their frustrations on Millsaps, 57-3 early Q4.
Berry doing the same to Hendrix, 34-0 at half.

Wheaton up big in their game (40-0 at half).
UW-P losing in theirs (17-0 at half) which is not such good news for HSU, and a BSC loss wouldn't do Trinity any favors either.

King's, the top Region 1 team (ranked 2nd) without a Pool A bid, lost today.

Baldwin-Wallace trails Mt Union by 3 and has the ball inside the MUC 10 with about a minute remaining.  First down.
Sigh, false start, now on the 12.
Pass interference against UMU.  First down at the 2.
Rush for 1 yard.  2nd and goal from the 1.
Timeout BW, their 2nd.  0:26
TOUCHDOWN BW.  0:22.   BW scored three TDs in the fourth quarter.   PAT good, 21-17 BW.  MUC has two timeouts remaining.

After an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty UMU fair catches at their 26.
Pass to UMU 39, timeout.  0:16
Pass to UMU 46, out-of-bounds.  0:11 (?)
Pass to BW 48, out-of-bounds.  UMU takes final timeout.  0:04
UMU touchdown. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 12, 2022, 04:20:54 PM
Mount union finish was crazy ::)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 12, 2022, 06:59:13 PM
+1 Ron to get that number changed  :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2022, 07:36:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
Rhodes surprising BSC at half, 10-3.
Centre taking out their frustrations on Millsaps, 57-3 early Q4.
Berry doing the same to Hendrix, 34-0 at half.

Wheaton up big in their game (40-0 at half).
UW-P losing in theirs (17-0 at half) which is not such good news for HSU, and a BSC loss wouldn't do Trinity any favors either.

Woah. What the HECK happened in Memphis today? 20-3 Rhodes final.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 12, 2022, 07:42:31 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 12, 2022, 07:36:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
Rhodes surprising BSC at half, 10-3.
Centre taking out their frustrations on Millsaps, 57-3 early Q4.
Berry doing the same to Hendrix, 34-0 at half.

Wheaton up big in their game (40-0 at half).
UW-P losing in theirs (17-0 at half) which is not such good news for HSU, and a BSC loss wouldn't do Trinity any favors either.

Woah. What the HECK happened in Memphis today? 20-3 Rhodes final.

Sometimes the final Saturday actually reduces the number of teams who think they have legitimate Pool C arguments. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 12, 2022, 08:15:43 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 12, 2022, 07:36:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
Rhodes surprising BSC at half, 10-3.
Centre taking out their frustrations on Millsaps, 57-3 early Q4.
Berry doing the same to Hendrix, 34-0 at half.

Wheaton up big in their game (40-0 at half).
UW-P losing in theirs (17-0 at half) which is not such good news for HSU, and a BSC loss wouldn't do Trinity any favors either.

Woah. What the HECK happened in Memphis today? 20-3 Rhodes final.
Pretty much what I was coming here to ask. WTH?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2022, 08:43:40 PM
BSC turned it over on downs four times and once more on an interception.

BSC QB McClary was off today, 14-33 for 176 and the INT, plus was sacked four times and three official QBHs.  Rhodes QB wasn't sacked or officially hurried all day.   Jon Lewis didn't go wild (24 carries, 127 net yards) and BSC had some untimely penalties that killed drives.   Rhodes actually won the TOP battle (not by much but still a surprise). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 12, 2022, 09:11:34 PM
Not a typical BSC game today, make mistakes lose the game. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 19, 2022, 02:29:37 PM
Looks like Bertness isn't playing today (must have regressed) and now appears that BJ Stewart is hurt. Trinity's passing game pretty much nonexistent as a result other than short passes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 19, 2022, 03:36:19 PM
First playoff win for Trinity since (I believe) their run to the Stagg bowl in 2002. Defense played great all game - but was clearly gassed on that last drive. Lot of Tiger players hurt throughout the game, hopefully they are all back by next week. Not sure why we went away from the passing that we opened up to begin the 2nd half. Will need more offensive power to get past UMHB next week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2022, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 19, 2022, 02:29:37 PM
Looks like Bertness isn't playing today (must have regressed) and now appears that BJ Stewart is hurt. Trinity's passing game pretty much nonexistent as a result other than short passes.

I'm not sure he played two weeks ago, I think that was me relying on the announcers.  Stats don't show anything for him since the opener and he was def in civvies today.

Great job by the D holding HSU to one TD despite the turnovers and resulting field position HSU ended up with.  I'm not sure the success HSU had the last drive was our tired legs as it us was going to a prevent with only three men rushing until they got inside the 30.  And thank God for Carter Self recovering that fumble a play or two before Horn's TD pass to Merrifield.   Totally agree we need better offensive play next week and hope some of those injuries weren't season-ending. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 19, 2022, 05:25:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2022, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 19, 2022, 02:29:37 PM
Looks like Bertness isn't playing today (must have regressed) and now appears that BJ Stewart is hurt. Trinity's passing game pretty much nonexistent as a result other than short passes.

I'm not sure he played two weeks ago, I think that was me relying on the announcers.  Stats don't show anything for him since the opener and he was def in civvies today.

Great job by the D holding HSU to one TD despite the turnovers and resulting field position HSU ended up with.  I'm not sure the success HSU had the last drive was our tired legs as it us was going to a prevent with only three men rushing until they got inside the 30.  And thank God for Carter Self recovering that fumble a play or two before Horn's TD pass to Merrifield.   Totally agree we need better offensive play next week and hope some of those injuries weren't season-ending.

I am 90% sure I saw a #2 lining up at receiver the other week. Now, they could have been using a backup jersey. Or, it could have #12 Tyson Cornett and they brought the wrong jersey for him, which would explain the announcer's confusion as well. Really need Bertness and Stewart back next week though or we are going to have some trouble, like last year's first round matchup.

Really nice to get further affirmation that the defense is elite, even with some players banged up. I think HSU was averaging like 45 points and 450 yards a game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: MonroviaCat on November 19, 2022, 06:45:49 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 19, 2022, 05:25:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2022, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 19, 2022, 02:29:37 PM
Looks like Bertness isn't playing today (must have regressed) and now appears that BJ Stewart is hurt. Trinity's passing game pretty much nonexistent as a result other than short passes.

I'm not sure he played two weeks ago, I think that was me relying on the announcers.  Stats don't show anything for him since the opener and he was def in civvies today.

Great job by the D holding HSU to one TD despite the turnovers and resulting field position HSU ended up with.  I'm not sure the success HSU had the last drive was our tired legs as it us was going to a prevent with only three men rushing until they got inside the 30.  And thank God for Carter Self recovering that fumble a play or two before Horn's TD pass to Merrifield.   Totally agree we need better offensive play next week and hope some of those injuries weren't season-ending.

I am 90% sure I saw a #2 lining up at receiver the other week. Now, they could have been using a backup jersey. Or, it could have #12 Tyson Cornett and they brought the wrong jersey for him, which would explain the announcer's confusion as well. Really need Bertness and Stewart back next week though or we are going to have some trouble, like last year's first round matchup.

Really nice to get further affirmation that the defense is elite, even with some players banged up. I think HSU was averaging like 45 points and 450 yards a game.
Outside observer--I thought Trinity's D looked really good.  The question I have is:  can they bring enough offense to hang with MHB?
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2022, 07:33:50 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on November 19, 2022, 06:45:49 PM

Outside observer--I thought Trinity's D looked really good.  The question I have is:  can they bring enough offense to hang with MHB?

It's been an interesting season.  Against better opponents Trinity seems to bring just enough offense to win, but obviously the Cru present a whole different challenge.  I think there has been more of an effort to control the ball to limit the amount of time the defense spends on the field and the passing game has been more conservative than last year.   I don't know if Coach Urban and OC Lytal have anything new up their sleeve for next week, but they'll probably need more - and hold on to the ball better - than we saw today to have a chance.     
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 19, 2022, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 19, 2022, 05:25:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2022, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 19, 2022, 02:29:37 PM
Looks like Bertness isn't playing today (must have regressed) and now appears that BJ Stewart is hurt. Trinity's passing game pretty much nonexistent as a result other than short passes.

I'm not sure he played two weeks ago, I think that was me relying on the announcers.  Stats don't show anything for him since the opener and he was def in civvies today.

Great job by the D holding HSU to one TD despite the turnovers and resulting field position HSU ended up with.  I'm not sure the success HSU had the last drive was our tired legs as it us was going to a prevent with only three men rushing until they got inside the 30.  And thank God for Carter Self recovering that fumble a play or two before Horn's TD pass to Merrifield.   Totally agree we need better offensive play next week and hope some of those injuries weren't season-ending.

I am 90% sure I saw a #2 lining up at receiver the other week. Now, they could have been using a backup jersey. Or, it could have #12 Tyson Cornett and they brought the wrong jersey for him, which would explain the announcer's confusion as well. Really need Bertness and Stewart back next week though or we are going to have some trouble, like last year's first round matchup.

Really nice to get further affirmation that the defense is elite, even with some players banged up. I think HSU was averaging like 45 points and 450 yards a game.

The kicking games were decisive in the first half since the stiff wind and rain stalled both offenses.  The TU punter, Eli Gehman, stuck HSU deep in their own territory several times until the HSU defense caused Trinity to punt into the wind out of their endzone near the end of the half.  HSU took advantage and scored with seconds left. 

The 90-yard drive by TU in the 3rd quarter may prove to be inspirational.  They took nearly 10 minutes off the clock and had success with the run and pass.  It was very well-executed and QB Tucker Horn was visibly charged-up after the eventual TD.

The defense is truly outstanding and will likely be what propels them further in the playoffs. 

Not sure what happened to BJ Stewart.  He returned a punt early so I assume injury.  The team was actually plagued by injuries today, particularly the linemen.  Hopefully they'll be back in action next week.  It is reassuring, however, that the subs played so well.

The forecast now says clear and 71 degrees next Saturday.  Damn, I hope so!
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Post by: BSCpanthers on November 20, 2022, 09:25:00 AM
Congrats Trinity, now on to next weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 20, 2022, 12:41:26 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2022, 07:33:50 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on November 19, 2022, 06:45:49 PM

Outside observer--I thought Trinity's D looked really good.  The question I have is:  can they bring enough offense to hang with MHB?

It's been an interesting season.  Against better opponents Trinity seems to bring just enough offense to win, but obviously the Cru present a whole different challenge.  I think there has been more of an effort to control the ball to limit the amount of time the defense spends on the field and the passing game has been more conservative than last year.   I don't know if Coach Urban and OC Lytal have anything new up their sleeve for next week, but they'll probably need more - and hold on to the ball better - than we saw today to have a chance.   

One silver lining: for the majority of the season UMHB's defense has not looked all that great (or at least, what we are used to seeing). Although, they completely shut down Huntington yesterday, who was a great offensive team. So, maybe (in typical fashion), UMHB's D is rounding into form just in time for playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on November 21, 2022, 05:56:33 PM
Does Trinity post video of the press conferences after playoff games?
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Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2022, 06:04:13 PM
I don't know what is the norm there, but I didn't see them this week.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 23, 2022, 08:53:25 AM
Forecast for San Antonio looks to be the first decent day in over a week, lots of sun with temperatures near 60 by game time, increasing to the mid-60s by game's end.  It will be breezy with winds 10-15 MPH out of the west.  With the stands partially blocking the wind on the home side that could make for some interesting dynamics in the passing and kicking games. 
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Post by: Cowboy2 on November 23, 2022, 10:37:21 AM
I wonder how many people will attend being that it's the weekend after Thanksgiving.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 23, 2022, 11:36:59 AM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on November 23, 2022, 10:37:21 AM
I wonder how many people will attend being that it's the weekend after Thanksgiving.

Historically speaking (given that it's been over a decade since TU hosted a second-round game) crowds are quite a bit lighter with most of the students and a good number of the usual crowd away for the holiday.  I imagine UMHB will bring a sizeable group as always.
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Post by: D3Navy on November 25, 2022, 10:52:59 AM
Tomorrow will be a terrific day of football in San Antonio!  It's great to have playoffs at home and doubly great given it is UMHB.  This is what the TU players have been working for all season.

UMHB will be a handful given their experienced, national champion offensive line.  Trinity will make it tough on them to move the ball, but they'll get the ball to the end zone.  It won't be what UMHB is used to, however, and I don't expect a blowout.

TU's offense needs to show some creativity.  They have a great O line as well, but unlike big play offenses of Trinity past, they deliberately churn out yards and eat time.  A few more surprises are needed at this point.

Special teams have played an outsized role for TU this year.  From blocked kicks to punt return TDs, they've delivered victories.  I expect that to again be the case tomorrow.

TU is banged up pretty good at this point.  I lost count of officials' time outs last week.  Most of the men affected were linemen.  It's been an injury-plagued season from the start, yet the depth of the team has been impressive.  Fingers-crossed for a healthy team and clean play tomorrow.

It'll be a tight game.  I predict turnovers and special teams will determine the outcome.  TU 21, UMHB 17.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 25, 2022, 10:36:26 PM
Game preview from the SA Express-News (https://www.expressnews.com/sports/local-colleges/article/Undefeated-Trinity-to-take-on-defending-champion-17611084.php) (not paywalled).

6 of the 7 D3Football.com prognosticators picked UMHB; they are the defending national champions and worthy of that respect.  It's an uphill battle tomorrow to be sure, but games are played for a reason and as both the UW teams saw last week, the favorite doesn't *always* win. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 11:01:29 AM
Glad the San Antonio weather held on as projected. Should be clear skies and high 50s by gametime. However, like last year's first round matchup between UMHB/Trinity, it should be a very windy day. Hoping Trinity gets some of its injured players back today.

I'll echo the other comments that it's truly a shame this game is having to be played on Thanksgiving weekend, not only because this shouldn't be a 2nd round matchup, but because the game experience will be so much less than what we've seen this season. I'm still expecting a decent crowd, but I would guess that in any other week, this game would probably have the most fans at EM Stevens Stadium in a long time. This season certainly had some huge games at home (especially Wheaton and HSU), and Trinity had a home playoff game against McMurry in 2011. But, it's my opinion that this is probably the biggest and most-anticipated home game for Trinity since the 2008 late-season game between undefeated Trinity and undefeated Millsaps. I think both teams were ranked Top 10 at the time or something close to that, and it was their first game since Trinity lateraled their way to a conference championship. Hopefully the result doesn't turn out the same, as Juan Joseph ran all over us and Millsaps got a resounding victory. Hoping for a great game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 26, 2022, 11:44:28 AM

You're right on the money with that outlook. TU does seem to be pretty banged up, but hopefully they're rested...most teams at this point of the season have paid the injury tax. UMHBs 2 deep, that Riley reported on in their pregame notes, show that the CRU should be at full strength.

Anyways, Trinity has been battle tested all season, but so has UMHB in their games with better competition. Each team pushed themselves OCC scheduling to prepare themselves for this postseason of play. I thought the CRU were taking the UWW game but unfortunately slipped up on a tough road game. HSU was going toe to toe and with them, and looked to have had their number, until the Cowboys panicked with the worst of worst - unforeseen turn of events I've watched in a long time. HPU took them the end of the game for a last play FG loss. *Key point is all three of those were on the road! (2-1)

Trinity won a close OT game vs a really good Wheaton team, in a top ten match up, right out of the gates. I thought they gave one away to a real solid BSC team and later pulled it off! They allowed a feisty Berry team to hang around but easily controlled each phase of that game. The HSU game showed how deep they were, even out a lot of starters. *Key point is all four of those were at home! (4-0)

Scores against common opponents show this TU team to be deserving of their poll ranking in  tier to UMHB this season. Both teams are top notch and will be prepared. Only game that kind of makes one scratch their head is the Huntingdon score last week. Huntingdon seemed to have been behind the moment UMHB took the field.

Pretty much everyone on D3FB, outside of Frank, picked the CRU. A lot of posters calling for big blow out by UMHB on other media outlets. I'm not one to bet, but I would hate to have to pick between the two. I'm sure with the long holiday week, normal crowds won't be as large as they would have been if this was in the regular season....which stinks. However, I bet there are a lot more attendees than last Saturday for each team due to weather forecast looking to clear up.

If it becomes a shootout, well the CRU will have got into the situation that benefits them. If Trinity keeps the bend but not break approach, they'll settle into their type of ball with their all their wizardry of schemes.

Last year is last year. That was the only game UMHB didn't control all year. Even though they won they didn't get into their normal groove. Both teams even look different but majority of the players are in reality the same.This year the CRU seem to be on a mission for repeat. I see the CRU trying to take some shots early open things up and rattle the Tigers. I also think TU to be better prepared than a normal week with not having any distractions or class to allow that "next man up" to fill their assigned roll.

No one expected Trinity to be here, but Trinity! Seems to be a common theme of some of these teams remaining in the last 8 games. End of the day it's football and once the kickoff starts, all this will be out the window and anything can happen. The game will flow and take its own storyline. Whichever team makes the best adjustments after half will be in the driver seat. I think it will be a slow and methodical approach by each team to start off, measuring out the other sides strengths and weaknesses. A few big plays but for the most part a pretty tight game first half. Once each side has settled in...maybe some late game fireworks. I expect a good old fashion dogfight. Should be a fun one! 27-23 type game.

"SUDAAAAAA!!!!"
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 01:00:55 PM
Bertness still out for Trinity, damnit. BJ Stewart not returning opening kick, damnit. Announcers say Stewart is suited up though.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2022, 01:23:08 PM
The drone cam is a nice addition, but the producer is jumping around on the camera angles at very disorienting times.

He will go from press box wide angle, to press box zoom, to press box wide angle to 2nd press box, to 2 more camera angles. About the 5:44 point in the 1st quarter, I counted 6 camera angles in rapid fashion, making it hard to follow.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2022, 01:44:07 PM
After the UMHB FG, UMHB's Avila kicks off into the end zone, into the wind.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 02:13:41 PM
I know they haven't done it all season, but I think Trinity might need to switch it up and go with 4 down lineman. It's pretty much impossible to get pressure against most playoff caliber teams sending only 3 against 5. King has had all day back there, and Trinity is getting killed on the pass so far.

As expected, offense has done nothing. Hoping they come out in the 3rd with similar aggressive play calling that we did in the third last week against HSU.

I am always dumbfounded by UMHB's size on both sides of the line, and this year is no different.
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Post by: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 03:37:10 PM
Man. Where did that 2nd half offense come from for Trinity? If they had a shred of that in the 1st half, this is a different game. Stoked that it turned out to be an epic game though. Really incredible how far Trinity has come back as a program, and showed they can play with any of the big boys in D3. What a season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2022, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 03:37:10 PM
Man. Where did that 2nd half offense come from for Trinity? If they had a shred of that in the 1st half, this is a different game. Stoked that it turned out to be an epic game though. Really incredible how far Trinity has come back as a program, and showed they can play with any of the big boys in D3. What a season.

All agree.   Amazed at how they came back after giving up the two long second half TDs.  Wish we would have had a little more urgency on the last drive - understand not leaving UMHB much time had we scored but just a bit casual and it ended up costing. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 04:19:54 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2022, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 03:37:10 PM
Man. Where did that 2nd half offense come from for Trinity? If they had a shred of that in the 1st half, this is a different game. Stoked that it turned out to be an epic game though. Really incredible how far Trinity has come back as a program, and showed they can play with any of the big boys in D3. What a season.

All agree.   Amazed at how they came back after giving up the two long second half TDs.  Wish we would have had a little more urgency on the last drive - understand not leaving UMHB much time had we scored but just a bit casual and it ended up costing.

Yep. And having to use one of the timeouts early in the 2H also was a killer. Horn lived up to his hype in the 2nd half, as he made some incredible throws. Barely over-threw Stewart on what would have easily been the game-tying touchdown, and I assume the wind caused that. UMHB should be throwing to Jordan's side every single play. Not sure how you defend 6'6 in D3, especially a 6'6 receiver who can block as well as he does, and with speed. That guy is an absolute machine on the outside.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on November 26, 2022, 05:14:11 PM
QuoteThe drone cam is a nice addition, but the producer is jumping around on the camera angles at very disorienting times.

But that drone at halftime gave this tourist a great view of the campus and San Antonio.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 26, 2022, 07:05:36 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 04:19:54 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2022, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 03:37:10 PM
Man. Where did that 2nd half offense come from for Trinity? If they had a shred of that in the 1st half, this is a different game. Stoked that it turned out to be an epic game though. Really incredible how far Trinity has come back as a program, and showed they can play with any of the big boys in D3. What a season.

All agree.   Amazed at how they came back after giving up the two long second half TDs.  Wish we would have had a little more urgency on the last drive - understand not leaving UMHB much time had we scored but just a bit casual and it ended up costing.

Yep. And having to use one of the timeouts early in the 2H also was a killer. Horn lived up to his hype in the 2nd half, as he made some incredible throws. Barely over-threw Stewart on what would have easily been the game-tying touchdown, and I assume the wind caused that. UMHB should be throwing to Jordan's side every single play. Not sure how you defend 6'6 in D3, especially a 6'6 receiver who can block as well as he does, and with speed. That guy is an absolute machine on the outside.

Concur with all above.  I thought I heard before the game that at least two of the TU starting offensive linemen were freshmen.  That was symbolic of the broad contributions from the whole team.

A terrific season and I suspect many will look back at this game as the toughest game that future repeat national champion UMHB played this season.

Well done, Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Toby Taff on November 26, 2022, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 04:19:54 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2022, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 26, 2022, 03:37:10 PM
Man. Where did that 2nd half offense come from for Trinity? If they had a shred of that in the 1st half, this is a different game. Stoked that it turned out to be an epic game though. Really incredible how far Trinity has come back as a program, and showed they can play with any of the big boys in D3. What a season.

All agree.   Amazed at how they came back after giving up the two long second half TDs.  Wish we would have had a little more urgency on the last drive - understand not leaving UMHB much time had we scored but just a bit casual and it ended up costing.

Yep. And having to use one of the timeouts early in the 2H also was a killer. Horn lived up to his hype in the 2nd half, as he made some incredible throws. Barely over-threw Stewart on what would have easily been the game-tying touchdown, and I assume the wind caused that. UMHB should be throwing to Jordan's side every single play. Not sure how you defend 6'6 in D3, especially a 6'6 receiver who can block as well as he does, and with speed. That guy is an absolute machine on the outside.
That Jordan TD was the fastest I've ever seen him run. Didn't realize he had that kind of speed.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 26, 2022, 11:17:10 PM
Welp.... that one hurt.  ::) I was pretty spot on in my pregame assessment, but just thought it would have been a reversal of roles in the W column. Down a lot of players, TU gave it their all and looked to have been in the driver seat amongst all the momentum changes. Congrats to UMHB on another deserving well fought battle. I'm very proud of the Tigers! So many should have-could have-would haves. Rewatched the streaming, but end of the day it's over and have to move on. I expect the the CRU to rise from this and make it to Annapolis. However, they have two more very tough battles before they face whoever emerges from the opposite side of the bracket. It's sad that we may have witnessed the natty in Texas again this season. Next year looks VERY promising. Trinity is back baby!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 28, 2022, 12:00:58 PM
Frank Rossi has posted the TU post-game press conference on Twitter (https://twitter.com/FrankRossi/status/1597260150452420609) (the UMHB conference is in another tweet).
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Post by: albatross on November 28, 2022, 08:05:52 PM
finally catching up here. solid performance by Trinity on behalf of the SAA. They are no doubt a Top 5 team and have earned every one of their accolades this year.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on December 02, 2022, 11:32:52 AM
I have been on Zoom calls all day so haven't had a chance to listen yet, but the In the (D3FB) Huddle guys have Centre QB Trentin Dupper on today (https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?extid=NS-UNK-UNK-UNK-IOS_GK0T-GK1C&ref=watch_permalink&v=1563274100759186) in addition to the expected Elite Eight coverage.  They start talking around the 31:30 minute about the situation and Trentin comes on shortly thereafter.   Gonna listen when I can get off these (*&(*&!!! Friday calls.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2022, 11:34:59 AM
We contacted Centre twice this season about getting a feature story with Trentin Dupper.  ???
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Post by: Ron Boerger on December 02, 2022, 04:21:43 PM
Mike Craven of Dave Campbell's Texas Football suggests Jerheme Urban as a "home run" candidate (https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2022/12/02/potential-candidates-for-incarnate-word-job-with-gj-kinne-headed-to-texas-state) to replace the recently departed G.J. Kinne at D1 FCS UIW.   I don't see TPTB at UIW considering someone lacking a D1 coaching pedigree. 

[crossing fingers that this post doesn't come back to bite me]
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Post by: crufootball on December 02, 2022, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 02, 2022, 04:21:43 PM
Mike Craven of Dave Campbell's Texas Football suggests Jerheme Urban as a "home run" candidate (https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2022/12/02/potential-candidates-for-incarnate-word-job-with-gj-kinne-headed-to-texas-state) to replace the recently departed G.J. Kinne at D1 FCS UIW.   I don't see TPTB at UIW considering someone lacking a D1 coaching pedigree. 

[crossing fingers that this post doesn't come back to bite me]

With all the improvements that Trinity seems to have done for the program and Coach Urban's connection to the school I would think the only way he leaves is if wants the challenge. I would agree thought that I would assume UIW won't want anyone to see them taking a step back by going after the local D3 guy.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2022, 05:06:11 PM
D3Football.com All-region selections (https://d3football.com/awards/all-region/2022/2022-d3football-all-region-3) are out:

Trinity:  six
- 1st team:  BJ Stewart, RET; Caleb Harmel, LB; Trey King, CB
- 2nd team:  Tucker Horn, QB; Wyatt Bush, G
- 3rd team:  Harris Good, DT
Birmingham-Southern:  five
- 1st team: Jon Lewis, RB
- 2nd team:  Jimmy Anderson, S; Conner Thornburg, CB; Brandon Armstrong, T
- 3rd team:  Aidan Hood, P
Centre:  three
- 1st team:  Armon Wells, LB
- 2nd team:  Oliver Hunter, DT; Aiden Jackson, G
Berry:  one
- 1st team:  Tonny Garcia, G

Congratulations to all recipients and hope to see a few back next season.

Given that UMHB deservedly had half their team (13) named All-Region including eight on the first team, offensive and defensive players of the year, and coach of the year it's pretty miraculous Trinity actually had a chance to tie that playoff game late.   But some of those 13 were a big reason they didn't!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on December 08, 2022, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2022, 05:06:11 PM
D3Football.com All-region selections (https://d3football.com/awards/all-region/2022/2022-d3football-all-region-3) are out:

Trinity:  six
- 1st team:  BJ Stewart, RET; Caleb Harmel, LB; Trey King, CB
- 2nd team:  Tucker Horn, QB; Wyatt Bush, G
- 3rd team:  Harris Good, DT
Birmingham-Southern:  five
- 1st team: Jon Lewis, RB
- 2nd team:  Jimmy Anderson, S; Conner Thornburg, CB; Brandon Armstrong, T
- 3rd team:  Aidan Hood, P
Centre:  three
- 1st team:  Armon Wells, LB
- 2nd team:  Oliver Hunter, DT; Aiden Jackson, G
Berry:  one
- 1st team:  Tonny Garcia, G

Congratulations to all recipients and hope to see a few back next season.

Given that UMHB deservedly had half their team (13) named All-Region including eight on the first team, offensive and defensive players of the year, and coach of the year it's pretty miraculous Trinity actually had a chance to tie that playoff game late.   But some of those 13 were a big reason they didn't!

If you take a look at the starting offensive line for Trinity in the UMHB game, you'll be even more impressed.  Only one consistent starter among them yet they handled UMHB admirably.  This depth portends some great football in coming seasons!

A fine season from some outstanding men!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on December 15, 2022, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on December 08, 2022, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2022, 05:06:11 PM
D3Football.com All-region selections (https://d3football.com/awards/all-region/2022/2022-d3football-all-region-3) are out:

Trinity:  six
- 1st team:  BJ Stewart, RET; Caleb Harmel, LB; Trey King, CB
- 2nd team:  Tucker Horn, QB; Wyatt Bush, G
- 3rd team:  Harris Good, DT
Birmingham-Southern:  five
- 1st team: Jon Lewis, RB
- 2nd team:  Jimmy Anderson, S; Conner Thornburg, CB; Brandon Armstrong, T
- 3rd team:  Aidan Hood, P
Centre:  three
- 1st team:  Armon Wells, LB
- 2nd team:  Oliver Hunter, DT; Aiden Jackson, G
Berry:  one
- 1st team:  Tonny Garcia, G

Congratulations to all recipients and hope to see a few back next season.

Given that UMHB deservedly had half their team (13) named All-Region including eight on the first team, offensive and defensive players of the year, and coach of the year it's pretty miraculous Trinity actually had a chance to tie that playoff game late.   But some of those 13 were a big reason they didn't!

If you take a look at the starting offensive line for Trinity in the UMHB game, you'll be even more impressed.  Only one consistent starter among them yet they handled UMHB admirably.  This depth portends some great football in coming seasons!

A fine season from some outstanding men!

Both Trinity's -LB Harmel and BSC's -RB Lewis each received All American honors.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 16, 2022, 01:55:28 AM
Our team is announced on Friday evening.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 17, 2022, 02:28:21 PM
As much as I don't want to air our dirty laundry, we have this in the news today.

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2022/12/birmingham-southern-college-in-financial-distress-in-danger-of-closing-in-2023-lawmakers-say.html

Hopefully funding is already in place, and the meeting are just formalities.  There has been rumors around campus for a few months that they were struggling financially, but didn't realize it was as bad as the article suggest. 

Hopefully we will have a quick resolve to this before it effects recruiting.  I'll keep y'all posted.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on December 17, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 17, 2022, 02:28:21 PM
As much as I don't want to air our dirty laundry, we have this in the news today.

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2022/12/birmingham-southern-college-in-financial-distress-in-danger-of-closing-in-2023-lawmakers-say.html

Hopefully funding is already in place, and the meeting are just formalities.  There has been rumors around campus for a few months that they were struggling financially, but didn't realize it was as bad as the article suggest. 

Hopefully we will have a quick resolve to this before it effects recruiting.  I'll keep y'all posted.
Man, that reads as pretty dire. I hope that they can find a way through it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 17, 2022, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on December 17, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 17, 2022, 02:28:21 PM
As much as I don't want to air our dirty laundry, we have this in the news today.

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2022/12/birmingham-southern-college-in-financial-distress-in-danger-of-closing-in-2023-lawmakers-say.html

Hopefully funding is already in place, and the meeting are just formalities.  There has been rumors around campus for a few months that they were struggling financially, but didn't realize it was as bad as the article suggest. 

Hopefully we will have a quick resolve to this before it effects recruiting.  I'll keep y'all posted.
Man, that reads as pretty dire. I hope that they can find a way through it.

Does Huntingdon have some space for some transfers???  Berry, Shorter, Sewanee, Rhodes, Millsaps all could be adding some good athletes for next season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on December 17, 2022, 05:55:13 PM
Birmingham-Southern has been in and out of financial trouble since before I moved here. They keep trying different things, but never seem to succeed. I know they used to claim an endowment of over $100 million in the early 2000s, in 2020 it was listed at slightly less than $50million. From what I understand, they used endowment funds, or loans against endowment funds, to build in the 2000s, got clobbered by the Great Recession, spent 20 years over-awarding Pell Grant money that was discovered in the early 2010s, and have watched enrollment drip lower. They even tried to get honest about tuition a few years ago, going from the ridiculous sticker price of 40K to closer to the effective paid price of 20K per year. All that did was cause them to be listed as "less selective" in some of the ridiculous rankings.

It's a beautiful campus, in a horrible area. I sure hope they can find a way to turn it around, but it seems like the bag of tricks may be running dry.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 17, 2022, 07:32:21 PM
We received this email from the school this afternoon.


Statement Regarding the College's Future
As has been reported in the press, Birmingham-Southern College has developed and begun implementing a plan to put the College on a sound financial footing for the long term.
Over the past 18 months, BSC President Daniel Coleman has secured firm commitments from hundreds of private donors for $45 million toward a goal of raising $200 million by May 2026 to refresh its endowment fund. This is a remarkable demonstration of support for BSC and a reflection of the fact that the College is important—not only to Birmingham, but to the State of Alabama.
In order to allow sufficient time for this fund-raising effort to succeed and to give BSC breathing room to operate, we are seeking a one-time contribution of $12.5 million from the second tranche of the American Rescue Plan Act and $17.5 million from the Education Trust Fund.
BSC is also asking for a commitment of $5 million from the City of Birmingham and $2.5 million from Jefferson County. We believe Birmingham-Southern College's contributions to the greater Birmingham area and the state warrant such an investment, which is clearly permissible under state law and for which there is considerable precedent.
BSC's financial challenges began with a building program in the mid-2000s that drew heavily upon the endowment and caused the College to take on significant debt. The financial crisis of 2008-2009 and an error in the accounting of federal financial aid further depleted the College's resources. Subsequent presidents did a remarkable job of funding the year-to-year operations of the College despite significant challenges. Without a healthy endowment, the economic model under which BSC operates is simply not sustainable for the long term.
Some months ago, the College's administration approached leaders in state government to share our plan for financial resilience. We found them receptive to our effort and we believe we will enjoy significant support for our plan.
Birmingham-Southern College and its graduates have made great contributions to our state, nation, and indeed the world. We are now asking for support with bridge funding to ensure the future of this valuable educational institution.
As our plan unfolds, we will continue to share reports on the progress toward our goal. We remain confident that BSC will endure and thrive, and we are committed to making good on the College's motto: "Forward, Ever."
12/17/2022
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 18, 2022, 11:14:48 AM
I really hope BSC can pull through.  That's an awful lot of money to come up with in a short period of time and hopefully there are some sympathetic decision makers and donors.   

Not working in the school's favor is that this is the second time this century it has had to take drastic action to survive.  Numerous programs were cut in 2010 due to the Pell grant situation (https://www.al.com/spotnews/2010/07/birmingham-southern_college_to.html) and that the school finds itself in arguably worse position ten years later could make major donors less willing to provide additional relief.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2022, 12:15:47 PM
Can you imagine if they had stayed in D-I any longer than they had?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 18, 2022, 05:10:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2022, 12:15:47 PM
Can you imagine if they had stayed in D-I any longer than they had?

Might actually be better off had we stayed D1.  We could still be selling out the basketball arena and getting revenue from the conference.  The DIII move was for adding football, even though that added enrollment, basketball took a hit and now can't seem to get anyone in the building to watch. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2022, 06:09:13 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 18, 2022, 05:10:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2022, 12:15:47 PM
Can you imagine if they had stayed in D-I any longer than they had?

Might actually be better off had we stayed D1.  We could still be selling out the basketball arena and getting revenue from the conference.  The DIII move was for adding football, even though that added enrollment, basketball took a hit and now can't seem to get anyone in the building to watch.
Thanks for the comment.

Next question, which had the greater impact on the bottom line?


Ticket Revenue from basketball
minus total amount of scholarship monies spent on D-1 scholarships for men's and women's sports


Or extra revenue to the bottom line for adding football players and other new students
minus total amount of new monies awarded in grants and scholarships to students under the D-3 model versus the D-1 model.

Yes, you can give a full tuition athletic scholarship to a 3.5 GPA women's basketball player or an academic, need-based package to that same 3.5 GPA woman player.

Thanks
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 19, 2022, 08:59:14 PM
News I've known for about 36 hours or so, but waited until he addressed the team. Tony Joe White has stepped down as head coach at Birmingham Southern.  He has accepted a job in his home state of Texas, but I don't know what that position is.  The OC, Anthony Colucci is taking over the head coaching duties at BSC.  Of course this comes on the heals of the news that BSC is possibly shutting down due to financial reasons.  Sounds like it will be mid-January before we find out if the school will continue past May of 2023. 

FORWARD, EVER!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 19, 2022, 10:23:04 PM
HC White went to Austin College.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 20, 2022, 07:54:17 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 19, 2022, 10:23:04 PM
HC White went to Austin College.


Tough break for Panther fans, and it's hard to see coach White leaving what he had built at B-SC for the very much struggling AC program absent the news of the last week.  Yes, he's a Texas boy (at least he played his college ball here) and will have some insights into recruiting there - was Texas his area of responsibility at Birmingham, because if not he will have to rebuild those relationships.

Even with that the ASC schools that are used to essentially an extra practice week when they face the team from Sherman will be in for a surprise next season.  The 'Roos have been a run-first team for a long while which should build to Coach White's strength immediately if he can get some talent to come to north Texas.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 20, 2022, 11:20:19 AM
And if the unthinkable does happen, this would put SAA football on an uneasy footing once Trinity (and Southwestern who we'll see next year) leave, with only six schools left playing football.   The ASC will be on even worse footing once TLU, Austin, and McMurry head to the SCAC; with the very strong possibility of Sul Ross going D2 they would be left with only *four* schools with football programs. 

One possibility would be the ten remaining schools getting together for football but I can't see the SAA going that route unless their hand is forced (e.g. NCAA D3 changing back to seven school minimum for football AQ) and even then they'd probably place a call to one or two of the schools to make that work. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 20, 2022, 11:50:36 AM
Could add some of the team as that play in the USA South. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2022, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 20, 2022, 11:50:36 AM
Could add some of the team as that play in the USA South.
... which begs the "Mission and Vision" question.

Who in the USA South matches the "Mission and Vision" of the SAA?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on December 20, 2022, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2022, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 20, 2022, 11:50:36 AM
Could add some of the team as that play in the USA South.
... which begs the "Mission and Vision" question.

Who in the USA South matches the "Mission and Vision" of the SAA?

What benefit would the four affiliate football playing schools in the USA South (Belhaven,  Huntingdon, LaGrange, and Maryville) get from switching their affiliation to the SAA?   Not something I would see happening with those schools being some of the leaders in the split of the CCS schools from the USASouth for other sports.     

Those four, with the possible addition of Berea for non-FB sports would be the only ones I see being pursued for full membership in the SAA.  Those are the only USASouth/CCS member who I think our Presidents might consider meeting the profile of schools in our league.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 22, 2022, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on December 20, 2022, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2022, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 20, 2022, 11:50:36 AM
Could add some of the team as that play in the USA South.
... which begs the "Mission and Vision" question.

Who in the USA South matches the "Mission and Vision" of the SAA?

What benefit would the four affiliate football playing schools in the USA South (Belhaven,  Huntingdon, LaGrange, and Maryville) get from switching their affiliation to the SAA?   Not something I would see happening with those schools being some of the leaders in the split of the CCS schools from the USASouth for other sports.     

Those four, with the possible addition of Berea for non-FB sports would be the only ones I see being pursued for full membership in the SAA.  Those are the only USASouth/CCS member who I think our Presidents might consider meeting the profile of schools in our league.

The benefit would be maintaining autobid numbers. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on December 24, 2022, 05:01:27 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 22, 2022, 09:23:09 PM

The benefit would be maintaining autobid numbers. 

That's true for the SAA and its schools. I was asking the opposite of that coin:  What would be the enticement for any of the USA South fb affiliates to switch their affiliation to the SAA? I don't see how they would get any benefit from making the change. 

Hopefully, it will be turned into a moot question by B-SC being able to line up survival funding and then getting their financial house in order. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 25, 2022, 12:00:16 PM
Merry Christmas my SAA brethren. 

Right now it looks like BSC will make it through this situation.  So hopefully it will become official mid-January and we can return to worrying about conference championships and not if there will be class in September. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 11, 2023, 08:22:36 AM
Happy New Year to all.  Here's an nice story on first-year assistant coach (WR) Shelby Denning (https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2023/jan/06/sewanee-assistant-coach-shelby-denning-a-role/) of Sewanee, who has been invited back for her second season with the school next year.  That's right; she's one of the few female coaches in college football.  I wish Coach Denning and the team well in 2023. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on January 12, 2023, 12:45:38 PM
Word on the street is that the BSC financial situation news will be pushed to March.  This sucks for so many reasons.  In my opinion, the delay is a sign of bad news, not good.  If it were good news, they would have been excited to put it out and start moving forward.  Waiting until March actually makes it more difficult to move forward, even if it is good news at that time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: UMHB03 on January 12, 2023, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 25, 2022, 12:00:16 PM
Merry Christmas my SAA brethren. 

Right now it looks like BSC will make it through this situation.  So hopefully it will become official mid-January and we can return to worrying about conference championships and not if there will be class in September.
Wow, is that a realistic possibility at BSC?  :o
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on January 12, 2023, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: UMHB03 on January 12, 2023, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 25, 2022, 12:00:16 PM
Merry Christmas my SAA brethren. 

Right now it looks like BSC will make it through this situation.  So hopefully it will become official mid-January and we can return to worrying about conference championships and not if there will be class in September.
Wow, is that a realistic possibility at BSC?  :o

Unfortunately yes, here is the initial news report.

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2022/12/birmingham-southern-college-in-financial-distress-in-danger-of-closing-in-2023-lawmakers-say.html
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on January 13, 2023, 10:54:03 AM
Would the state of Alabama take over Birmingham southern college and turn it into a public liberal arts school like st Mary's college of Maryland ? Seems like that is the better move for everyone, might change the name to Alabama College with the state takeover.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 13, 2023, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: cush on January 13, 2023, 10:54:03 AM
Would the state of Alabama take over Birmingham southern college and turn it into a public liberal arts school like st Mary's college of Maryland ? Seems like that is the better move for everyone, might change the name to Alabama College with the state takeover.

I think there is not much chance of that happening. It would cost the state money, and Alabama is very low tax, low service oriented state. If B-SC can't raise the funds, they are going to be out of luck. Of course, from a creditor point of view, that will suck as well because while the campus is very pretty, it's not in a nice area. So the liquidation value of the property is not going to be very high.

The best shot would be for UAB to take it over as an "honors college" campus. But again, given this state's focus on Alabama and Auburn, schools like UAB, UAH, Troy... they are all fighting for scraps of higher education money. It might be hard to get approval.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on January 13, 2023, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 13, 2023, 11:53:30 AM
I think there is not much chance of that happening. It would cost the state money, and Alabama is very low tax, low service oriented state. If B-SC can't raise the funds, they are going to be out of luck. Of course, from a creditor point of view, that will suck as well because while the campus is very pretty, it's not in a nice area. So the liquidation value of the property is not going to be very high.

I'd concur about there not being much chance of state takeover at B-SC.  They've gotten a rather lack-luster response regarding a bailout from both Birmingham-area state legislators and Jefferson County government.  That doesn't bode well for anything larger.

I teach at a small state college in the Huntsville area and the state budget for higher education is tight for us, with most of the smaller campuses fighting over the few crumbs left over after the flagships (Auburn, Alabama) and regional comprehensives (UA-B, South Alabama, UA-H, Troy, Jacksonville State) get their cut of the pie. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on January 13, 2023, 06:25:59 PM
I don't believe it would be wise for the state of Alabama to let Birmingham southern close. It just seems like it would make more sense to become a public liberal arts school instead of giving them money outright. I believe they would be the only division 3 public school in the state. I am surprised BSC hasn't been able to fundraise better from foundations or very wealthy benefactors. :
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2023, 07:05:48 PM
...perhaps the Foundations and wealthy benefactors have assessed the stewardship of the University's resources by the current administration over the past several years and will forego future opportunities.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 13, 2023, 11:04:35 PM
Quote from: cush on January 13, 2023, 06:25:59 PM
I don't believe it would be wise for the state of Alabama to let Birmingham southern close. It just seems like it would make more sense to become a public liberal arts school instead of giving them money outright. I believe they would be the only division 3 public school in the state. I am surprised BSC hasn't been able to fundraise better from foundations or very wealthy benefactors. :

When you burn endowments the way the school has done in the past (e.g. the spending spree on facilities) and repeatedly incur financial difficulties, it's hard to convince donors that further contributions will be well spent.  And it's not a wealthy area to begin with; median household income of $39,403 in 2021 dollars and 25.5% of the population at the poverty level (per US Census Bureau (https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/birminghamcityalabama,US/PST045222)) is well below the national average ($69,201/11.6%).  It's a tough situation for the school to recover from ... again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 14, 2023, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 13, 2023, 11:04:35 PM
Quote from: cush on January 13, 2023, 06:25:59 PM
I don't believe it would be wise for the state of Alabama to let Birmingham southern close. It just seems like it would make more sense to become a public liberal arts school instead of giving them money outright. I believe they would be the only division 3 public school in the state. I am surprised BSC hasn't been able to fundraise better from foundations or very wealthy benefactors. :

When you burn endowments the way the school has done in the past (e.g. the spending spree on facilities) and repeatedly incur financial difficulties, it's hard to convince donors that further contributions will be well spent.  And it's not a wealthy area to begin with; median household income of $39,403 in 2021 dollars and 25.5% of the population at the poverty level (per US Census Bureau (https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/birminghamcityalabama,US/PST045222)) is well below the national average ($69,201/11.6%).  It's a tough situation for the school to recover from ... again.

Eh. The alumni don't live near the school. That's misleading. The alumni do pretty well, and I suspect very, very few of them come from or move back to the surrounding area. That area around Legion Field/B-SC is low income, but I suspect the education level of the residents doesn't include many college grads.

But I think you are right. There is a lot of fatigue from repeated crisis over the last 20 years. And a good part of the problem is a lot of the local alumni are more partial to whichever football school they grew up rooting for than their alma mater. I know several alums that live in the area that haven't been back since they graduated, but will spend every other Fall Saturday tailgating in Tuscaloosa or Auburn on family season tickets.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on January 14, 2023, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 13, 2023, 11:04:35 PM
When you burn endowments the way the school has done in the past (e.g. the spending spree on facilities) and repeatedly incur financial difficulties, it's hard to convince donors that further contributions will be well spent.  And it's not a wealthy area to begin with; median household income of $39,403 in 2021 dollars and 25.5% of the population at the poverty level (per US Census Bureau (https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/birminghamcityalabama,US/PST045222)) is well below the national average ($69,201/11.6%).  It's a tough situation for the school to recover from ... again.

B-SC is in the category of high-risk institutions that you find in most surveys in the higher-education press: very traditional small liberal arts college that is tuition dependent with a weak endowment.    B-SC's endowment was last reported at $49M, vs. Hendrix, Centre, Sewanee, and Rhodes in the $200M-$430M range and Trinity with over $1.2B in endowment.    That hurts. And fund-raising gets hard given how they over-dipped from that endowment in the past. 

The demographics don't help any as just over 1/2 of B-SC's student population is from the state of Alabama. Means they're competing for students not only with the flagship institutions but a number of pretty good regional comprehensive schools.   It's going to be a hard road for that school to travel.

The other SAA institution that worries me is Millsaps.   They've been going through similar economic struggles and family/friends in Jackson tell me they have some serious enrollment worries.   I get the feeling they're one mis-step away from being in the same straits as B-SC.

BTW, Huntingdon in Montgomery is the other D3 school in Alabama.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2023, 05:31:33 PM
Millsaps is on my radar too.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on January 14, 2023, 06:46:02 PM
The state government of Alabama and Mississippi could do worse things than try to save Birmingham southern and millsaps from closing  if needed. Got to believe having a good division 3 liberal arts college is beneficial to each state
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 14, 2023, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: cush on January 14, 2023, 06:46:02 PM
The state government of Alabama and Mississippi could do worse things than try to save Birmingham southern and millsaps from closing  if needed. Got to believe having a good division 3 liberal arts college is beneficial to each state

Given the current political leadership in both states, I would have a hard time believing either would give a damn about two small private liberal arts colleges.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2023, 12:02:29 AM
There are small liberal arts colleges in those states who have kept the financial house in better condition by policies of the respective administraions than those 2. We are just D3-centric.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on January 17, 2023, 12:01:47 PM
Coaching change on the Mountain as Travis Rundle is moving to the head coach position at Albion College.   Figured change was going to happen given the results of the past few seasons.

https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/1/17/staff-changes-announced-for-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx (https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/1/17/staff-changes-announced-for-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 17, 2023, 12:41:19 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on January 17, 2023, 12:01:47 PM
Coaching change on the Mountain as Travis Rundle is moving to the head coach position at Albion College.   Figured change was going to happen given the results of the past few seasons.

https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/1/17/staff-changes-announced-for-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx (https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/1/17/staff-changes-announced-for-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx)

Heck of a jump for Coach Rundle. Albion just came off a 9-1 season and, with the exception of 16/17, has been pretty solid in the MIAA for 10 years. That Sewanee press release was stretching pretty good to find something he accomplished at Sewanee. To be fair, the corresponding release at Albion struggled to find much to say about his Sewanee tenure as well (https://gobrits.com/news/2023/1/17/football-travis-rundle-tabbed-head-football-coach.aspx). Coach Rundle won 5 conference games, total, in 6 seasons at Sewanee (though 2020 was essentially a washout). But he hadn't won a conference game since 2018 and went 0-10 twice while never winning more than 4 games in a season. I get Sewanee has faced some headwinds for at least the last 20 years, but he didn't exactly change the trajectory.

So I guess when you are the son of a storied Albion Head Coach and an Albion alum, maybe none of that matters much?

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2023, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 17, 2023, 12:41:19 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on January 17, 2023, 12:01:47 PM
Coaching change on the Mountain as Travis Rundle is moving to the head coach position at Albion College.   Figured change was going to happen given the results of the past few seasons.

https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/1/17/staff-changes-announced-for-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx (https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/1/17/staff-changes-announced-for-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx)

Heck of a jump for Coach Rundle. Albion just came off a 9-1 season and, with the exception of 16/17, has been pretty solid in the MIAA for 10 years. That Sewanee press release was stretching pretty good to find something he accomplished at Sewanee. To be fair, the corresponding release at Albion struggled to find much to say about his Sewanee tenure as well (https://gobrits.com/news/2023/1/17/football-travis-rundle-tabbed-head-football-coach.aspx). Coach Rundle won 5 conference games, total, in 6 seasons at Sewanee (though 2020 was essentially a washout). But he hadn't won a conference game since 2018 and went 0-10 twice while never winning more than 4 games in a season. I get Sewanee has faced some headwinds for at least the last 20 years, but he didn't exactly change the trajectory.

So I guess when you are the son of a storied Albion Head Coach and an Albion alum, maybe none of that matters much?

Apparently not.  9-42 doesn't make for much of a recommendation, they're putting a lot into hoping the family name can translate into W's.  Wish him well but there's going to be a lot of immediate pressure to continue the success they had under Beurer.  And they didn't waste any time, naming him less than a month after Beurer left; all too often the quick choice ends up being not the best. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on January 20, 2023, 08:38:34 AM
I guess I'll drop this here since southwestern is going to be saa for a few before going back to the scac...  Looks like they're replacing a practice field with their new stadium. Going to have to add a lot of parking over there.

https://communityimpact.com/austin/georgetown/education/2023/01/16/southwestern-university-designing-new-football-stadium/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 20, 2023, 09:30:24 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on January 20, 2023, 08:38:34 AM
I guess I'll drop this here since southwestern is going to be saa for a few before going back to the scac...  Looks like they're replacing a practice field with their new stadium. Going to have to add a lot of parking over there.

https://communityimpact.com/austin/georgetown/education/2023/01/16/southwestern-university-designing-new-football-stadium/

Thanks.  This was announced some time ago (https://www.southwestern.edu/live/news/15201-a-message-from-southwestern-universitys-board-of) and it looks like they're running behind (construction was originally supposed to start last month).  They have some open land fronting TX-29 and a bit to the east of the current practice field that could be turned into parking - and they actually own a number of undeveloped parcels to the north and east of the current campus (details at https://portico.mygisonline.com/html5/?viewer=williamsontx).

In the original announcement the university sold some excess property far from campus and "turned $66,000 into $28 million" which is a great way to pay for the new stadium along with some other upgrades and new facilities.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on January 20, 2023, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 20, 2023, 09:30:24 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on January 20, 2023, 08:38:34 AM
I guess I'll drop this here since southwestern is going to be saa for a few before going back to the scac...  Looks like they're replacing a practice field with their new stadium. Going to have to add a lot of parking over there.

https://communityimpact.com/austin/georgetown/education/2023/01/16/southwestern-university-designing-new-football-stadium/

Thanks.  This was announced some time ago (https://www.southwestern.edu/live/news/15201-a-message-from-southwestern-universitys-board-of) and it looks like they're running behind (construction was originally supposed to start last month).  They have some open land fronting TX-29 and a bit to the east of the current practice field that could be turned into parking - and they actually own a number of undeveloped parcels to the north and east of the current campus (details at https://portico.mygisonline.com/html5/?viewer=williamsontx).

In the original announcement the university sold some excess property far from campus and "turned $66,000 into $28 million" which is a great way to pay for the new stadium along with some other upgrades and new facilities.

Yeah, this is the first link I'd seen with an actual location planned.  That is a cool link to who owns what.  I tried to look up what they owned but couldn't find it.  I didn't realize they owned all that property east of the creek.  I "think" some of that is technically flood plane so parking would be a prime use for that land.  Hopefully they'll keep playing UMHB in football because that game was always closer to home than the Belton games lol.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 26, 2023, 07:08:27 PM
I was over at Birmingham-Southern today for an event with my middle school daughter. The deferred maintenance is starting to be pretty obvious. I know students aren't in session right now, but we were over in the Norton Campus Center and it was just dirty. Dirty floors, dirty windows, dirty, dusty everything. A bad look for 300+ bright Alabama middle schoolers participating in an academic oriented event.

The parking lot was cratered and the shrubs look like they missed their last scheduled trim. The buildings and sidewalks look dingy. I don't know if it was because I was looking for it, or if it just hit me, but there are definitely some things that show just how distressed the place is right now.

Probably doesn't help that this column came out the day before:

https://www.al.com/news/2023/01/whitmire-looking-for-a-way-forward-bscs-time-is-running-out.html

I have to admit, if it was my kid, I'd be exploring options and applying away right now. The place has all the indications of a death spiral. What incoming first year is going to want to jump on that limb right now? And if you can't get them to come, you don't have anything left.

I was really sad. From 100ft going 20mph, it's still a very beautiful campus. So much potential. But it doesn't look like it's going to survive. And I have no idea what you do with that place if it doesn't.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on January 26, 2023, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 26, 2023, 07:08:27 PM
I was over at Birmingham-Southern today for an event with my middle school daughter. The deferred maintenance is starting to be pretty obvious. I know students aren't in session right now, but we were over in the Norton Campus Center and it was just dirty. Dirty floors, dirty windows, dirty, dusty everything. A bad look for 300+ bright Alabama middle schoolers participating in an academic oriented event.

The parking lot was cratered and the shrubs look like they missed their last scheduled trim. The buildings and sidewalks look dingy. I don't know if it was because I was looking for it, or if it just hit me, but there are definitely some things that show just how distressed the place is right now.

Probably doesn't help that this column came out the day before:

https://www.al.com/news/2023/01/whitmire-looking-for-a-way-forward-bscs-time-is-running-out.html

I have to admit, if it was my kid, I'd be exploring options and applying away right now. The place has all the indications of a death spiral. What incoming first year is going to want to jump on that limb right now? And if you can't get them to come, you don't have anything left.

I was really sad. From 100ft going 20mph, it's still a very beautiful campus. So much potential. But it doesn't look like it's going to survive. And I have no idea what you do with that place if it doesn't.

That really stinks to hear.  I saw that article this morning and it was eye opening.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on January 29, 2023, 10:20:26 PM
I'm trying to stay positive with it, but it is getting harder to stay that way.  Students, not just athlete, need to be preparing for the "what if" scenario.  Go ahead and apply at other schools and get those transfer paperwork done, if you don't need it, it just goes away, but if you do need it, you need to know where you are going. 

As this rolls along with no answer, the harder it is for them to come through it.  Enrollment will for sure be down next fall, even if there is a next fall, and the rebuild will be long and difficult.  I always wonder why these schools wait until the last minute to really ask for help?  Why wait until you can't make it another semester, this should have been seen 2 years ago and that's when the endowment rebuild should have started. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 30, 2023, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on January 29, 2023, 10:20:26 PM
I'm trying to stay positive with it, but it is getting harder to stay that way.  Students, not just athlete, need to be preparing for the "what if" scenario.  Go ahead and apply at other schools and get those transfer paperwork done, if you don't need it, it just goes away, but if you do need it, you need to know where you are going. 

As this rolls along with no answer, the harder it is for them to come through it.  Enrollment will for sure be down next fall, even if there is a next fall, and the rebuild will be long and difficult.  I always wonder why these schools wait until the last minute to really ask for help?  Why wait until you can't make it another semester, this should have been seen 2 years ago and that's when the endowment rebuild should have started.

Because asking the government for money isn't going to get any response unless you are flat out, last chance, desperate. It's painful to do, but pointless to do early. They won't care if you say you are going to run out of money in 2 years. That's 2 years for you to fix your problem without them. And by the time you hit the point where they might care, it's already too late.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on January 31, 2023, 03:38:43 PM
Any idea what would happen to the Birmingham Southern campus if the school closed ? As for the SAA, I'd like them to invite Transylvania College (KY) if they need to replace BSC
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 31, 2023, 04:44:11 PM
Quote from: cush on January 31, 2023, 03:38:43 PM
Any idea what would happen to the Birmingham Southern campus if the school closed ? As for the SAA, I'd like them to invite Transylvania College (KY) if they need to replace BSC

Academically they would appear to be a decent fit.  Two problems with Transy for the SAA: 
(1) it doesn't have football and the SAA, down to six (edit: football-playing) schools after the SCAC schools leave should B-SC not survive, would no doubt like to add a seventh
(2) it's tiny (974 students in Fall 2021) though they seem to have good financial underpinnings ($240M in mid-2021)

Plus they may be happy in the HCAC, though I see they affiliate already with the SAA for field hockey and the CCIW for men's lacrosse (which the SAA also sponsors).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on January 31, 2023, 11:35:46 PM
If BSC goes down, I could see the ASC and SAA football schools coming together under one conference, even if only for football.  Other sports could stay in their current conferences.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on February 01, 2023, 01:11:27 AM
Quote from: cush on January 31, 2023, 03:38:43 PM
Any idea what would happen to the Birmingham Southern campus if the school closed ?

I hope it doesn't come to that, but I was wondering the same thing....I wonder if a larger (state) school would purchase it for a satellite campus??
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on February 01, 2023, 01:41:43 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on January 31, 2023, 11:35:46 PM
If BSC goes down, I could see the ASC and SAA football schools coming together under one conference, even if only for football.  Other sports could stay in their current conferences.

Until it happens it remains to be seen. Still a couple of seasons out until "musical chairs" would start. However, if it did, and this happened, It would take strategic scheduling efforts for conference play if they merged.

Should there only be 4 (ETBU, HPU, HSU, UMHB) ASC teams remaining in a couple of years, and 6 (Centre, millsaps, Sewanee, Rhodes, Berry, Hendrix) SAA teams left, their travel budgets would need to expand. Of course this is to say they made one conference as "affiliates" just for football and the AQ was at 7 and not 6 for the SAA. It would be better for the SAA to try and bring on one program (southeast proximity) as opposed to make multiple trips to Texas.

Trinity is currently the furthest school other SAA teams have to travel to. Add southwestern to the mix, an hour closer from San Antonio, doesn't break the bank. However, say those two programs bolted or were asked to go to the SCAC, and an SAA team, say Berry, had to make 3-4 trips in a year to Texas (Abilene, Brownwood, Belton) that may add a lot of extra travel costs. Also, that would be a lot more traveling for the ASC teams for out of state games, which many haven't had to do as often in years past.

A lot can still happen, so who knows.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 01, 2023, 10:18:04 AM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on February 01, 2023, 01:11:27 AM
Quote from: cush on January 31, 2023, 03:38:43 PM
Any idea what would happen to the Birmingham Southern campus if the school closed ?

I hope it doesn't come to that, but I was wondering the same thing....I wonder if a larger (state) school would purchase it for a satellite campus??

Given the proximity to UAB I suspect that's the only option. The state is not going to pay to have another state school have a satellite campus within 5 miles of UAB. I think UAB could use it as an honors college maybe. But... and I can't emphasize this enough... it's in a really crappy part of Birmingham. The campus is really nice, and it's fenced in, and you don't hear much about problems on campus, but that is not somewhere you want to be wandering around. There is no town-gown in that area. You have to drive, or maybe they run buses, to anywhere you want to be off campus.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 01, 2023, 10:43:15 AM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on February 01, 2023, 01:41:43 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on January 31, 2023, 11:35:46 PM
If BSC goes down, I could see the ASC and SAA football schools coming together under one conference, even if only for football.  Other sports could stay in their current conferences.

Until it happens it remains to be seen. Still a couple of seasons out until "musical chairs" would start. However, if it did, and this happened, It would take strategic scheduling efforts for conference play if they merged.

Should there only be 4 (ETBU, HPU, HSU, UMHB) ASC teams remaining in a couple of years, and 6 (Centre, millsaps, Sewanee, Rhodes, Berry, Hendrix) SAA teams left, their travel budgets would need to expand. Of course this is to say they made one conference as "affiliates" just for football and the AQ was at 7 and not 6 for the SAA. It would be better for the SAA to try and bring on one program (southeast proximity) as opposed to make multiple trips to Texas.

Trinity is currently the furthest school other SAA teams have to travel to. Add southwestern to the mix, an hour closer from San Antonio, doesn't break the bank. However, say those two programs bolted or were asked to go to the SCAC, and an SAA team, say Berry, had to make 3-4 trips in a year to Texas (Abilene, Brownwood, Belton) that may add a lot of extra travel costs. Also, that would be a lot more traveling for the ASC teams for out of state games, which many haven't had to do as often in years past.

A lot can still happen, so who knows.

Trinity and Southwestern are already members of the SCAC and the conference is restarting FB in 2024.  As full conference members they will be required to play FB in the SCAC by 2026. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 01, 2023, 11:25:13 AM
The SAA football schools and the football playing members the Collegiate Conference of the South, that are currently playing in the USA South, could get together and shrink their travel budget. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on February 01, 2023, 11:42:01 AM
I wonder if Highlands College a bible school in Birmingham run by the church of the highlands would be interested in taking over the BSC Campus. They took over the former health south headquarters and spent a lot of money to transform it into a 2 year bible college with plans to became a 4 year school. If they took over the BSC campus through a buyout or merger they could create a more traditional liberal arts campus for their followers, think mini Liberty University. Obviously, BSC is a different type of school so it really wouldn't be a merger but highlands could take BSC accreditation in a merger and have a phase out or transition period. I got to believe the State and City don't want the BSC campus to became vacant so something needs to be considered for the campus if BSC closes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 01, 2023, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: cush on February 01, 2023, 11:42:01 AM
I wonder if Highlands College a bible school in Birmingham run by the church of the highlands would be interested in taking over the BSC Campus. They took over the former health south headquarters and spent a lot of money to transform it into a 2 year bible college with plans to became a 4 year school. If they took over the BSC campus through a buyout or merger they could create a more traditional liberal arts campus for their followers, think mini Liberty University. Obviously, BSC is a different type of school so it really wouldn't be a merger but highlands could take BSC accreditation in a merger and have a phase out or transition period. I got to believe the State and City don't want the BSC campus to became vacant so something needs to be considered for the campus if BSC closes.

Highlands College just opened their campus. I highly doubt they are looking for more. Nor do I think they could hold on to any type of higher education accreditation with their curriculum. The place essentially exists to train workers for the Association of Related Churches, which was co-founded by the same person who runs Highlands College and the various Church of the Highlands congregations.

But who knows? Because not far from where I live, 20 miles south of Birmingham, a local Bible College campus has stood completely empty for almost a decade, and I'm pretty sure Birmingham doesn't want that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 01, 2023, 12:35:07 PM
Quote from: jknezek on February 01, 2023, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: cush on February 01, 2023, 11:42:01 AM
I wonder if Highlands College a bible school in Birmingham run by the church of the highlands would be interested in taking over the BSC Campus. They took over the former health south headquarters and spent a lot of money to transform it into a 2 year bible college with plans to became a 4 year school. If they took over the BSC campus through a buyout or merger they could create a more traditional liberal arts campus for their followers, think mini Liberty University. Obviously, BSC is a different type of school so it really wouldn't be a merger but highlands could take BSC accreditation in a merger and have a phase out or transition period. I got to believe the State and City don't want the BSC campus to became vacant so something needs to be considered for the campus if BSC closes.

Highlands College just opened their campus. I highly doubt they are looking for more. Nor do I think they could hold on to any type of higher education accreditation with their curriculum. The place essentially exists to train workers for the Association of Related Churches, which was co-founded by the same person who runs Highlands College and the various Church of the Highlands congregations.

But who knows? Because not far from where I live, 20 miles south of Birmingham, a local Bible College campus has stood completely empty for almost a decade, and I'm pretty sure Birmingham doesn't want that.

That needs to be and should be BSC's biggest selling point to the state.  That neighborhood needs BSC to be, period.  The last thing that area needs is more empty space that really has no other purpose then being what it is. 

I agree with JK, Highlands College is a college in name only.  They don't have what would be considered traditional classes or any type of accreditation.  It exist to serve the Church of the Highlands and their franchises located throughout the area.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on February 01, 2023, 03:21:09 PM
I guess my point with the church of the highlands taking over BSC is they could run a bible school at the healthsouth campus and run a traditional liberal arts school that affiliates with them instead of the Methodist church at the BSC campus. They seem to have big plans and well financed. Agree, BSC best selling point for getting state money is an empty campus is a disaster for the area.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 02, 2023, 12:37:20 PM
Just throwing this out there...can confirm he is a reputable source, and he actually heard about the SCAC restarting football from his sources a few days before I got wind of it. Has some very solid connections, especially to Southwestern, so I trust his "sources".  Not saying this will for sure happen, but definitely something to think about.

https://d3vbwest.wordpress.com/2023/02/02/trinity-southwestern-moving/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on February 02, 2023, 01:15:16 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on February 02, 2023, 12:37:20 PM
Just throwing this out there...can confirm he is a reputable source, and he actually heard about the SCAC restarting football from his sources a few days before I got wind of it. Has some very solid connections, especially to Southwestern, so I trust his "sources".  Not saying this will for sure happen, but definitely something to think about.

https://d3vbwest.wordpress.com/2023/02/02/trinity-southwestern-moving/

Very interesting stuff Riley. In some ways this doesn't really have to change much because the reformed SCAC would still have 6 members but obviously they would be a lot less stable then if they had 8 members. Might provide a lifeline to the ASC members if the SCAC members are in need of even more non conference games though.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 02, 2023, 01:16:49 PM
So the SCAC is right on the cusp of sponsoring football, just to possibly loss 2 football playing members. 

I just still need to make sure my Panthers are still in next year.   :(
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on February 02, 2023, 02:33:09 PM
Trinity could afford it as a stand alone and it's easy to fly into San Antonio. I could see the benefit more for the SAA schools  since going to San Antonio could be viewed as a educational trip. Yet, I always thought the SAA should make a play for Virginia schools, the SAA could jump to 12 with 4 Virginia pick ups. If BSC doesn't make it you could add 5 to go along with Centre and create a north division of 6 schools
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on February 02, 2023, 03:34:01 PM
Honestly, I don't follow Trinity much but they've been pretty dominant in football the last few years, I could see the SCAC not really wanting them to come in with a lot of the members they have.  It could quickly end up with a very similar outcome to the ASC with football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 02, 2023, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on February 02, 2023, 03:34:01 PM
Honestly, I don't follow Trinity much but they've been pretty dominant in football the last few years, I could see the SCAC not really wanting them to come in with a lot of the members they have.  It could quickly end up with a very similar outcome to the ASC with football.

Let's step back.  Trinity won the SAA the last two seasons but needed to pull off a near-miraculous ending against BSC this year, after beating them last year when the Panthers missed a 2-point conversion, to get through conference play undefeated each season.  Prior to that their best performance in the SAA era was an 8-2 season resulting in a tie for the championship in 2019 where they lost to Berry, who went on to the NCAAs as a result.  So Trinity has been really good the last couple of years, but it's not a St. Thomas (MN) or UMHB in terms of football conference dominance.   I think they've used the extra COVID year more successfully than anyone else in the SAA which obviously can pay huge dividends.  The SCAC isn't going to kick out the one program that (if trends continue) give it an immediate presence on the national scene - and especially when it was one of the four core schools who stuck with the SCAC after the SAA bailed.  That makes it all the more ironic if Trinity does what this article talks about.

I think it's more palatable to the SAA if Southwestern is part of the picture, because otherwise you complicate travel for teams that would have to make the flight to San Antonio - similar to what SCAC teams in most other sports face on the weeks they have to make their way to Colorado College. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2023, 09:16:36 PM
This is the money paragraph for me in the blog.

Quote...Speaking of SAA schools and the pandemic, there are a number of stories out on the Internet about how Birmingham-Southern (BSC) is struggling with finances. Could the SAA be making a move for Trinity/Southwestern because of the fear of losing BSC? If they are looking west then they are probably looking north, too. It just feels like the SAA is going to shake things up whether they get Trinity and/or Southwestern and maybe that's the genesis of this rumor.

As for looking north, the ODAC schools like the "ODAC-ness" of their conference. I get the impression that none of the old ODAC schools, whom the SAA would like to have, would want to leave.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HSCTiger74 on February 03, 2023, 12:45:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2023, 09:16:36 PM
This is the money paragraph for me in the blog.

Quote...Speaking of SAA schools and the pandemic, there are a number of stories out on the Internet about how Birmingham-Southern (BSC) is struggling with finances. Could the SAA be making a move for Trinity/Southwestern because of the fear of losing BSC? If they are looking west then they are probably looking north, too. It just feels like the SAA is going to shake things up whether they get Trinity and/or Southwestern and maybe that's the genesis of this rumor.

As for looking north, the ODAC schools like the "ODAC-ness" of their conference. I get the impression that none of the old ODAC schools, whom the SAA would like to have, would want to leave.

I have to second what Ralph said. The ODAC is a fairly compact conference (longest football trip is 277 miles) of more or less like-minded schools.  Even if they split the SAA into divisions you'd be looking at a minimum of over 500 miles for most of the ex-ODAC schools, and when you factor in every sport they sponsor the travel budgets would skyrocket. There really wouldn't be any advantage.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 03, 2023, 11:22:34 AM
Ok... so some thoughts on this. Birmingham Southern is in deep, deep trouble. I give them less than 50% odds of making it at this point, just from the little bit I can gather around here and a recent look at the campus. The SAA has a football problem, and it's turning to Trinity. A school that has had some... interesting... history with the SAA and it's former SCAC member schools. It seems whenever the SAA is in a spot of trouble, Trinity helps bail them out. But when the SAA is healthy, they seem quite happy to let those long trips to San Antonio be someone else's problem. I get the Mission and Values cache of the SAA versus the SCAC schools, but you've played this game before. Why do it again?

I liken this to W&L and the ODAC. It's a bit of an odd fit by academic reputation and endowment, but a great fit geographically and by school type (private, liberal arts, mostly on the smaller side). I know W&L has had a roving eye at times, but it seems like it's always come down to putting those student-athletes on the bus and planes less, and in the classrooms more. Though I have no doubt it's also come down an inability to get an invite to where they really want to be, mainly because they'd be the geographic outlier (and maybe an attitude issue as well).

While Trinity aligning with the more well-known SAA schools might tickle an administrator's fancy, does it really matter to the student-athletes? I'm not so sure it does. So who are those schools really serving by moving to the SAA? It would help the SAA, but I'm not sure Trinity's players, especially those with seasons that are more than 10 games, are getting the better end of the deal.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2023, 01:02:39 PM
Quote from: jknezek on February 03, 2023, 11:22:34 AM
Ok... so some thoughts on this. Birmingham Southern is in deep, deep trouble. I give them less than 50% odds of making it at this point, just from the little bit I can gather around here and a recent look at the campus. The SAA has a football problem, and it's turning to Trinity. A school that has had some... interesting... history with the SAA and it's former SCAC member schools. It seems whenever the SAA is in a spot of trouble, Trinity helps bail them out. But when the SAA is healthy, they seem quite happy to let those long trips to San Antonio be someone else's problem. I get the Mission and Values cache of the SAA versus the SCAC schools, but you've played this game before. Why do it again?

I liken this to W&L and the ODAC. It's a bit of an odd fit by academic reputation and endowment, but a great fit geographically and by school type (private, liberal arts, mostly on the smaller side). I know W&L has had a roving eye at times, but it seems like it's always come down to putting those student-athletes on the bus and planes less, and in the classrooms more. Though I have no doubt it's also come down an inability to get an invite to where they really want to be, mainly because they'd be the geographic outlier (and maybe an attitude issue as well).

While Trinity aligning with the more well-known SAA schools might tickle an administrator's fancy, does it really matter to the student-athletes? I'm not so sure it does. So who are those schools really serving by moving to the SAA? It would help the SAA, but I'm not sure Trinity's players, especially those with seasons that are more than 10 games, are getting the better end of the deal.

I would be curious to know what the coaches in the SAA would think about bringing in Trinity - and not just in football. Trinity is a behemoth in most sports, so while the presidents no doubt like the way they fit from an academic and national recognition standpoint, it wouldn't surprise me if the coaches are a little more hesitant (not that they have any say in the matter) to bring in a school that's going to come in and probably win 50% of the championships pretty much every year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2023, 02:25:43 PM
The SAA's formation was basically to get away from Trinity ...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 03, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2023, 02:25:43 PM
The SAA's formation was basically to get away from Trinity ...

Nah, or at least not just Trinity.  Remember that DePauw, not Trinity, won the SCAC Presidents' Trophy six straight years including the year the SAA was announced.   I truly think the straw that broke the camel's back was when the SCAC announced UDallas as an incoming member early in the 2010-11 school year.  That meant there would be five teams east of Arkansas (Austin, Colorado, Dallas, SW, TU) further complicating travel in most sports.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2023, 05:02:23 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 03, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2023, 02:25:43 PM
The SAA's formation was basically to get away from Trinity ...

Nah, or at least not just Trinity.  Remember that DePauw, not Trinity, won the SCAC Presidents' Trophy six straight years including the year the SAA was announced.   I truly think the straw that broke the camel's back was when the SCAC announced UDallas as an incoming member early in the 2010-11 school year.  That meant there would be five teams east of Arkansas (Austin, Colorado, Dallas, SW, TU) further complicating travel in most sports.

Colorado College is the straw the broke the original SCAC's back. Especially once they dropped softball and, more importantly, football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2023, 05:13:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 03, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2023, 02:25:43 PM
The SAA's formation was basically to get away from Trinity ...

Nah, or at least not just Trinity.  Remember that DePauw, not Trinity, won the SCAC Presidents' Trophy six straight years including the year the SAA was announced.   I truly think the straw that broke the camel's back was when the SCAC announced UDallas as an incoming member early in the 2010-11 school year.  That meant there would be five teams east of Arkansas (Austin, Colorado, Dallas, SW, TU) further complicating travel in most sports.

Whether competitively or travelwise, I still stick with my reading of it. Here's how I wrote it up in our story on D3sports.com a year ago -- slightly less simplified than I made it sound above:

Before the split, Trinity (Texas) had won the conference's Presidents Cup 11 times in a 12-year span, followed by DePauw winning six in a row. (Trinity has won every Presidents Cup since the split, as well.) The SAA's equivalent award has not been awarded annually over its brief history, but getting away from Trinity has only been a benefit for everyone in the SAA in terms of championship access. DePauw left the SCAC/SAA for the North Coast Athletic Conference around the same time as the split.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on February 03, 2023, 05:16:10 PM
Sewanee hires former MTSU head coach and GT defensive coach Andy McCollum as our next head coach.

Press release:
https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/2/3/andy-mccollum-selected-to-lead-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx (https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/2/3/andy-mccollum-selected-to-lead-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 03, 2023, 05:30:49 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on February 03, 2023, 05:16:10 PM
Sewanee hires former MTSU head coach and GT defensive coach Andy McCollum as our next head coach.

Press release:
https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/2/3/andy-mccollum-selected-to-lead-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx (https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/2/3/andy-mccollum-selected-to-lead-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx)

Be interesting to see if Sewanee can finally get it right and start winning some games. 

Went to the BSC-Sewanee game last season, could have a great atmosphere up the mountain, but you guys have to start winning some games. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on February 05, 2023, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 03, 2023, 05:30:49 PM
Be interesting to see if Sewanee can finally get it right and start winning some games. 

Went to the BSC-Sewanee game last season, could have a great atmosphere up the mountain, but you guys have to start winning some games.

Hope springs eternal, I guess.  Our last two hires have been to bring in assistant coaches from stronger D3 programs to be our head coach.  I think we're seeing the difference in mindset between our new AD and his predecessor.   

Here's a question for those who follow the national scene in D3 closer than I do: Can anyone think of an instance where a former D1 coach like Coach McCollum became a head coach at a D3 school?   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 05, 2023, 06:02:35 PM
Hal Mummw coached at both McMurry and at Belhaven after several D1 stops.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on February 05, 2023, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: jknezek on February 05, 2023, 06:02:35 PM
Hal Mummw coached at both McMurry and at Belhaven after several D1 stops.

Thanks!   I knew it had happened before but simply could not remember.   

Our athletic department does a "Coffee with a Coach" broadcast each week.    I'll post a link when they bring Coach McCollum in as a guest.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on February 05, 2023, 07:53:15 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on February 05, 2023, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 03, 2023, 05:30:49 PM
Be interesting to see if Sewanee can finally get it right and start winning some games. 

Went to the BSC-Sewanee game last season, could have a great atmosphere up the mountain, but you guys have to start winning some games.

Hope springs eternal, I guess.  Our last two hires have been to bring in assistant coaches from stronger D3 programs to be our head coach.  I think we're seeing the difference in mindset between our new AD and his predecessor.   

Here's a question for those who follow the national scene in D3 closer than I do: Can anyone think of an instance where a former D1 coach like Coach McCollum became a head coach at a D3 school?

Mike DuBose went to Millsaps in 2006 following four years as head coach at Alabama.  He definitely turned the Millsaps program around.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2023, 10:26:03 AM
Quote from: jknezek on February 05, 2023, 06:02:35 PM
Hal Mummw coached at both McMurry and at Belhaven after several D1 stops.
Coach Mumme led McMurry to its only D3 post-season appearances, in 2011.
They won at Trinity and then lost at UMHB. The Air Raid was exciting, especially when you had a good QB like Jake Mullin.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 08, 2023, 04:01:22 PM
Saw a local article saying that B-SC is talking with students about what they need to transfer "just in case". They claim to have a sizeable incoming first year class if they get the money to keep the doors open, but this looks more grim by the day.

https://www.wvtm13.com/article/birmingham-southern-college-meeting-with-students-to-discuss-options/42782235
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2023, 08:19:56 AM
"Yes, we accept you as a member of the class of 2027 but have your backup plans ready just in case" - I wonder if they have informed these kids of the significant chance they'll have to go elsewhere at the last second if they don't raise the needed funds?  According the article below "[r]esearch indicates students whose colleges abruptly closed reenrolled at other institutions at much lower rates than those whose colleges shut down in an orderly fashion. Just 4 in 10 students who went through a sudden closure reenroll, compared to more than 6 in 10 who reenroll after orderly closure."  Same article says over 3,000 prospective students applied in the fall, 1,726 were accepted, and 244 enrolled.  With a a 2021 enrollment of 1058 that's probably at least as many as enrolled in recent falls and I'd think a few more.

Here's another article from Higher Ed Dive (https://www.highereddive.com/news/birmingham-southern-on-parallel-tracks-while-it-waits-for-word-on-public/642239/).   Basically it comes down to get nearly $40M from the state legislature or fold.   "[W]e expect to know something more definitive by the time the Alabama Legislature convenes on March 7, if not before" says B-SC president Daniel B. Coleman (https://t.e2ma.net/webview/62f5yj/9b2e3aa7f348255b18ca9284f16ccafe) (also quoted in the article jknezek posted).

Prove me wrong, lawmakers of Alabama.  Show that you actually give a damn.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2023, 08:40:26 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2023, 08:19:56 AM
Prove me wrong, lawmakers of Alabama.  Show that you actually give a damn.

NarratorSadly, they would not.

AL.com:  Alabama lawmakers say outlook doubtful for $30 million bailout for Birmingham-Southern (https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/alabama-lawmakers-say-outlook-doubtful-for-30-million-bailout-for-birmingham-southern.html)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 09, 2023, 11:21:48 AM
My expectations are falling that BSC will survive this.  The short sightedness from some of the local elected officials is surprising.  I read somewhere that the representatives of the area that BSC is located are not supporting this because the school doesn't represent their constituents, meaning people that live in their area don't get any benefit from the school. But they really need to look at the fact the school is there, what will be there when they close???  It is in a suppressed area, which is why you'd want to see BSC stay to keep hope in that community. 

I'm thoroughly disappointed in this, mostly for the kids that are currently attending school there and losing their home for the last couple years.  The current Juniors May have it the worst.  One year from graduation, lost their senior year in high school to Covid, freshman year in college was quiet with not on campus events and limited to no attendance to sporting events, and not this hanging over their junior year with no senior year to come. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 09, 2023, 12:49:25 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 09, 2023, 11:21:48 AM
My expectations are falling that BSC will survive this.  The short sightedness from some of the local elected officials is surprising.  I read somewhere that the representatives of the area that BSC is located are not supporting this because the school doesn't represent their constituents, meaning people that live in their area don't get any benefit from the school. But they really need to look at the fact the school is there, what will be there when they close???  It is in a suppressed area, which is why you'd want to see BSC stay to keep hope in that community. 

I'm thoroughly disappointed in this, mostly for the kids that are currently attending school there and losing their home for the last couple years.  The current Juniors May have it the worst.  One year from graduation, lost their senior year in high school to Covid, freshman year in college was quiet with not on campus events and limited to no attendance to sporting events, and not this hanging over their junior year with no senior year to come.

It's a raw deal for the students. It always is when a school closes. B-SC wasn't exactly known for playing nice with the surrounding area, so I'm sure that is part of the issue as well. There was no gown/town relationship. B-SC is a walled off island, kind of out of necessity, but it still wouldn't look good to the local populace. And given their 20 year financial struggle, I doubt they were in much of a position to give back to the community in any way it would remember or appreciate.

But yeah, it's a cut your nose off to spite your face situation, because that property, and Legion Field, are the major things going in that area. To lose one of them isn't going to help an area that is already suffering, and I'm not really sure what makes keeping Legion Field open a good idea, other than it's a political disaster for whatever Mayor decides to shut it down.

If the worst comes to pass, B-SC isn't going to be the first school to close, nor the last, over the next 20 years. Higher Ed is hitting a serious challenge point, thanks to a combination of demographics and self-inflicted pain. It's been a long time coming, and I suspect the casualties will be numbered in the dozens, at least.

Form the parent side, it's real hard to get excited 17 and 18 year olds to care about things like the school's endowment when they have other things on their minds, but if a Private School is packing less than $200MM, I'd be real skeptical about sending my kid. I'm not sure it's a very sound investment in their future.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2023, 01:36:32 PM
I appreciate your opinion of the Endowment threshold being $200M.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 09, 2023, 01:43:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2023, 01:36:32 PM
I appreciate your opinion of the Endowment threshold being $200M.

That's not a minimum it will take to survive, the number is probably far smaller for well-managed institutions without significant debts and with significant enrollment. It's just the minimum value that I'd feel comfortable with investing 100k (or a lot more) of my money, over 4 years, in my kids' education so I'm comfortable it won't be interrupted halfway through by the panic button B-SC finally hit in December. I feel like if you've got 200 in the endowment, you've got at least 4 years before you can screw up bad enough that the padlock comes out!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on February 13, 2023, 10:38:56 AM
Another new article this morning that doesn't look good for our friends in B'ham.

https://1819news.com/news/item/i-think-that-ship-has-sailed-senate-education-budget-chair-state-sen-orr-says-no-appetite-for-birmingham-southern-bailout
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 13, 2023, 04:41:38 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on February 13, 2023, 10:38:56 AM
Another new article this morning that doesn't look good for our friends in B'ham.

https://1819news.com/news/item/i-think-that-ship-has-sailed-senate-education-budget-chair-state-sen-orr-says-no-appetite-for-birmingham-southern-bailout

So depressing and disappointing.

The students have started joking about staying on campus after it closes to "defend the hilltop".
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: UMHB03 on February 13, 2023, 05:46:59 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 13, 2023, 04:41:38 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on February 13, 2023, 10:38:56 AM
Another new article this morning that doesn't look good for our friends in B'ham.

https://1819news.com/news/item/i-think-that-ship-has-sailed-senate-education-budget-chair-state-sen-orr-says-no-appetite-for-birmingham-southern-bailout

So depressing and disappointing.

The students have started joking about staying on campus after it closes to "defend the hilltop".
Very sad indeed. I can't imagine how heartbroken I would be if this was happening at my almamater.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on February 13, 2023, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on February 13, 2023, 10:38:56 AM
Another new article this morning that doesn't look good for our friends in B'ham.

https://1819news.com/news/item/i-think-that-ship-has-sailed-senate-education-budget-chair-state-sen-orr-says-no-appetite-for-birmingham-southern-bailout

Senator Orr is the chair of the Board of Trustees for my employer (mentioned in the article as the school taken over in the past by the state).    He's been pretty consistent in what he's been saying about B-SC's request for a state bailout.   And he's one of a group of three to five legislators here in Alabama who would have to back a bailout to get it through in this legislative session.      Not looking good and I'm getting more sad over it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 14, 2023, 08:51:07 AM
I think the comment about the Birmingham area delegation not supporting the effort is the most telling. This just isn't something backed by the community. Either B-SC finds a private donor or a private bridge loan, or they are done.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 14, 2023, 09:37:05 AM
BSC needs to promote themselves as a financial boost to the impoverished neighborhood they are located.  They are jobs, not just professors, but also security, custodial, cafeteria staff, grounds keepers, maintenance.  All those jobs will be lost, as well as the 1,200 people that are around that campus using gas stations and eating at the Popeye's right off of campus.  That neighborhood will lose that money, money it can't really afford to lose.  As much as some have complained that it is a gated fortress to keep out the people in that neighborhood, it provides more financial support than a dilapidated Legion Field that the city is paying another $5mil to keep going, for some reason.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on February 14, 2023, 11:26:37 AM
I don't really understand how BSC can have $45 million in pledges and not try to collect, got to believe that amount would give them several years of being able balance the books. BSC goal is what $200 million by 2026, why not make it $150 million and try to collect the pledges now. Obviously, they also need to highlight urban renewal to any rich foundation or billionaire for any chance of a large donation. The last option is to get the state to takeover the school. My guess is the state wouldn't let the camps sit idle, either run it independently or merge it into another school.  I do wonder if the SAA would want a public school if the state took over BSC
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 14, 2023, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: cush on February 14, 2023, 11:26:37 AM
I don't really understand how BSC can have $45 million in pledges and not try to collect, got to believe that amount would give them several years of being able balance the books. BSC goal is what $200 million by 2026, why not make it $150 million and try to collect the pledges now. Obviously, they also need to highlight urban renewal to any rich foundation or billionaire for any chance of a large donation. The last option is to get the state to takeover the school. My guess is the state wouldn't let the camps sit idle, either run it independently or merge it into another school.  I do wonder if the SAA would want a public school if the state took over BSC

Because that 45MM is pledged to the endowment, not to immediate expenses, and it's contingent on B-SC surviving and getting the 200MM in pledges it needs to stay open long term. People won't donate if they feel they are just throwing good money down a black hole.

B-SC needs a bridge loan of 40MM for immediate expenses to keep the lights on the staff paid, but they are a risky borrower, that credit markets don't want to lend to. The state doesn't see it as their job to lend the money. Donors don't tend to loan toward unsexy things like current bills. They donate toward long term ideals.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2023, 01:23:24 PM
+1 jknezek!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 14, 2023, 03:00:33 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 14, 2023, 09:37:05 AM
BSC needs to promote themselves as a financial boost to the impoverished neighborhood they are located.  They are jobs, not just professors, but also security, custodial, cafeteria staff, grounds keepers, maintenance.  All those jobs will be lost, as well as the 1,200 people that are around that campus using gas stations and eating at the Popeye's right off of campus.  That neighborhood will lose that money, money it can't really afford to lose.  As much as some have complained that it is a gated fortress to keep out the people in that neighborhood, it provides more financial support than a dilapidated Legion Field that the city is paying another $5mil to keep going, for some reason.

I think that ship sailed a long time ago. There aren't enough of those jobs, and the community sees them as scrap jobs vs the higher paying jobs that go to people not in the community, or people who don't want to live in the community, and mainly people who don't look like those in the community. I suspect that beyond a couple gas stations and the Popeyes, local businesses don't see that much, if any, student traffic, and I suspect what they see isn't worth $35MM.

As for the city of Birmingham itself, or Jefferson County, the 1000 students at B-SC are a rounding error. The money they provide to the community through events like Parents Weekend and Graduation are miniscule. Frankly, UAB's undergrad enrollment alone varies on a yearly basis at least 50% of B-SC's total enrollment. If you include grad schools, UAB's annual enrollment probably varies as much if not more than B-SC's total enrollment.

In the end, whether B-SC is there or not, probably matters to less than 300 people in Jefferson County in terms of economics. That is the hard truth of the situation. B-SC has just not found a way to be relevant enough to its community, to it's city, to it's county, and certainly not to the state to get public money.

As for Legion Field... I completely agree. But there is a community pride component of Legion Field that B-SC does not have. There is a reason the Magic City Classic has not moved to Protective Stadium, despite it being 1000x nicer. People in the community make direct money from every event at Legion Field when attendees park on their lawns, buy tickets from scalpers, buy drinks and snacks from street side vendors (basically people selling on their lawns) during the Magic City Pre-Game parade and events. A few people are employed at B-SC, but no one really sees that in the community the same way they see all those $10 parking signs on lawns on gameday.

And finally, Legion Field is $5mm from one place. B-SC was looking for $35-40MM from a mix of local, county and state. That's a lot more hoops to jump through. I suspect the next time Legion Field needs a big chunk for repairs or improvements, that will be the end. But as long as all it needs is an annual local dribble, that's just buying the current Mayor some votes and probably well worth doing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 14, 2023, 03:38:06 PM
As much as I'd like to argue all those points, you are correct.  It's just one of those things that effects me personally and am sad to see it going away.  For what it's worth, my check to pay my kids tuition next semester should be a lot less then what I have been paying........

But, I'll miss gamedays, tailgating and friendships I have made with other parents.  I'm still holding out hope.  Still banging my drum, and I'll do it until the gates are locked. 

#ForwardEver
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 14, 2023, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 14, 2023, 03:38:06 PM
As much as I'd like to argue all those points, you are correct.  It's just one of those things that effects me personally and am sad to see it going away.  For what it's worth, my check to pay my kids tuition next semester should be a lot less then what I have been paying........

But, I'll miss gamedays, tailgating and friendships I have made with other parents.  I'm still holding out hope.  Still banging my drum, and I'll do it until the gates are locked. 

#ForwardEver

I hope that the other schools in the SAA are staying apprised of the BSC situation to find new school homes for as many of the students there as possible should it come down to that.  But there's no doubt this sucks for everyone - students, faculty, staff, alumni, friends - involved.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 14, 2023, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 14, 2023, 03:38:06 PM
As much as I'd like to argue all those points, you are correct.  It's just one of those things that effects me personally and am sad to see it going away.  For what it's worth, my check to pay my kids tuition next semester should be a lot less then what I have been paying........

But, I'll miss gamedays, tailgating and friendships I have made with other parents.  I'm still holding out hope.  Still banging my drum, and I'll do it until the gates are locked. 

#ForwardEver

And I get it and empathize. I have fond memories of tailgating with my kids on the hill above the football field before they started charging for those spots (maybe they should have started earlier!). Used to drive the motorhome over early in the a.m. and get everything set up, they would show up with mom and friends before the game. None of us had any connection to B-SC, but we sure had fun. Great memories of them sliding down the hill on pieces of cardboard and sharing food with everyone around us. Hit a game a year from 2012-2017 or so. Maybe even a year or two later. My daughter was just on campus for Middle School Junior UN. I think it's a crappy thing to happen, but as an outsider, I understand why it's not getting the funding. It just sucks for anyone remotely related to the place.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 14, 2023, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 14, 2023, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 14, 2023, 03:38:06 PM
As much as I'd like to argue all those points, you are correct.  It's just one of those things that effects me personally and am sad to see it going away.  For what it's worth, my check to pay my kids tuition next semester should be a lot less then what I have been paying........

But, I'll miss gamedays, tailgating and friendships I have made with other parents.  I'm still holding out hope.  Still banging my drum, and I'll do it until the gates are locked. 

#ForwardEver

I hope that the other schools in the SAA are staying apprised of the BSC situation to find new school homes for as many of the students there as possible should it come down to that.  But there's no doubt this sucks for everyone - students, faculty, staff, alumni, friends - involved.

I know other coaches have reached out to the BSC coaches about players, not in a recruiting way, just in a we have spots available way.  BSC is a very good program with good players, a lot of schools would like some of our kids.  Some players have already left for other schools. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on February 14, 2023, 05:15:11 PM
so how much money does BSC need to operate for another year? I've read they bring in around $21 million in tuition, meal, etc  and $10 million or so in annual fundraising so that's around $30 million to run the school if those numbers are correct for a year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on February 14, 2023, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: cush on February 14, 2023, 05:15:11 PM
so how much money does BSC need to operate for another year? I've read they bring in around $21 million in tuition, meal, etc  and $10 million or so in annual fundraising so that's around $30 million to run the school if those numbers are correct for a year.

Have to think that not a small number of prospective and current students are reading these stories and have already planned to leave so hard to count on a steady tuition amount.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 14, 2023, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: cush on February 14, 2023, 05:15:11 PM
so how much money does BSC need to operate for another year? I've read they bring in around $21 million in tuition, meal, etc  and $10 million or so in annual fundraising so that's around $30 million to run the school if those numbers are correct for a year.

The President said the 37MM they asked for would cover the deficit for the next 2 years while they righted the ship, then could start to be paid back... which no one really believed. The 200MM they are trying to raise would put the endowment at 225MM or so, as they would need to draw on the amount they have now to bridge those years as well. As for operating expenses and tuition revenue, I don't know, but that 37MM was clearly spoken for as paying the operating deficit that was expected in the 2023/24 and 2024/25 academic years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 14, 2023, 09:40:01 PM
Also, the $200mil endowment would allow them to use the "interest" towards operating expenses without dipping into the $200mil.  The $200mil isn't for use, just to sit and make money.  The current commitment is only $45.5mil, and that is where it has been for the last few months.  I'd feel much better if they could have already got that over $100mil. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on February 15, 2023, 10:22:17 AM
Quote from: crufootball on February 14, 2023, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: cush on February 14, 2023, 05:15:11 PM
so how much money does BSC need to operate for another year? I've read they bring in around $21 million in tuition, meal, etc  and $10 million or so in annual fundraising so that's around $30 million to run the school if those numbers are correct for a year.

Have to think that not a small number of prospective and current students are reading these stories and have already planned to leave so hard to count on a steady tuition amount.
I'm still seeing tweets from kids "signing with"/committing to BSC for the fall. I assume they're aware of what's happening and have backups?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 15, 2023, 10:37:48 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on February 15, 2023, 10:22:17 AM
Quote from: crufootball on February 14, 2023, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: cush on February 14, 2023, 05:15:11 PM
so how much money does BSC need to operate for another year? I've read they bring in around $21 million in tuition, meal, etc  and $10 million or so in annual fundraising so that's around $30 million to run the school if those numbers are correct for a year.

Have to think that not a small number of prospective and current students are reading these stories and have already planned to leave so hard to count on a steady tuition amount.
I'm still seeing tweets from kids "signing with"/committing to BSC for the fall. I assume they're aware of what's happening and have backups?

Who knows? But it's not like the school is hiding the problem so that would be on the kid/kid's parents at this point.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on February 15, 2023, 12:43:41 PM
I can't believe BSC is running a $20 million deficit each year for the next 2 years. I believe University of Montevallo annual budget is $28 million for a much larger school, BSC should be able to function with $30 million coming in annually. I get wanting the endowment to be $200 million or $2 billion and running the school off interest but that's not practical for BSC right now. Their only goal should be keeping the school open, if that means no or negative endowment growth and using current pledged endowment funds for annual operations so be it. If donors don't want to give in that case than the donors will know their lack of support will result in the school closing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 15, 2023, 02:14:08 PM
Quote from: cush on February 15, 2023, 12:43:41 PM
I can't believe BSC is running a $20 million deficit each year for the next 2 years. I believe University of Montevallo annual budget is $28 million for a much larger school, BSC should be able to function with $30 million coming in annually. I get wanting the endowment to be $200 million or $2 billion and running the school off interest but that's not practical for BSC right now. Their only goal should be keeping the school open, if that means no or negative endowment growth and using current pledged endowment funds for annual operations so be it. If donors don't want to give in that case than the donors will know their lack of support will result in the school closing.

And that is essentially what is happening. B-SC's endowment was roughly 51MM in 2021. Much of that is probably pledged to specific purposes, as is typical of endowment funds. They probably have tapped as much of the existing endowment as they can. They are running in the red, whether it is 10MM or 15MM, it doesn't matter what Montevallo is doing, it matters what the numbers are for B-SC.

The second half of this article is the clearest articulation of the college's financial situation:
https://www.cbs42.com/alabama-news/birmingham-southern-college-seeks-bailout-warning-it-may-close/#:~:text=Birmingham%2DSouthern%20owed%20%2433%20million%20in%20debt%20then.

Moody's had already downgraded the college in Jan 2021, the school essentially defaulted on 30MM in debt in 2021, and the operating deficit had risen to 10MM in 2019. 2020 definitely didn't help, and enrollment has dropped from 1300 to around 1000 by 2021. The article does say the almost 40mm they asked for would be for covering 3 years of operating deficits, not 2. So that is a significant difference.

But regardless, yes, they can't raise the money from alumni to pay bills, they can't borrow any more to pay bills, they can't fund themselves using the endowment anymore, and tuition is not covering expenses.

By this point, the alumni are well aware of what is happening. The school cannot keep the doors open as it stands, and they have tried what they can. That 45MM was specifically pledged under specific constraints. It would only be collected if the school stayed open and got to 200MM in pledges by 2026. They can try and change the terms, but I suspect the donors know that it is a losing battle at this point.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on February 15, 2023, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: cush on February 15, 2023, 12:43:41 PM
I can't believe BSC is running a $20 million deficit each year for the next 2 years. I believe University of Montevallo annual budget is $28 million for a much larger school, BSC should be able to function with $30 million coming in annually. I get wanting the endowment to be $200 million or $2 billion and running the school off interest but that's not practical for BSC right now. Their only goal should be keeping the school open, if that means no or negative endowment growth and using current pledged endowment funds for annual operations so be it. If donors don't want to give in that case than the donors will know their lack of support will result in the school closing.

It's difficult to compare B-SC's situation with Montevallo with UM being a public school.   They're much like us as Athens State where the state appropriation is what covers what they don't make up annually from tuition.   Private schools typically use the return on endowment investment for that purpose and that's what B-SC needs to cover with the bridge loan they're seeking from the state.    That's also why that having an endowment >=$200M is such a magic number: at that point, the return on the investment becomes enough the cover the annual shortfall from tuition and aid.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 15, 2023, 09:19:59 PM
The latest coach to leave B-SC (https://montevallofalcons.com/news/2023/2/14/womens-volleyball-o-quinn-named-head-volleyball-coach.aspx) is the women's VB coach, headed to a D2 school (Montevallo).  Can't blame anyone for looking out for themselves given circumstances.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 16, 2023, 08:47:02 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 15, 2023, 09:19:59 PM
The latest coach to leave B-SC (https://montevallofalcons.com/news/2023/2/14/womens-volleyball-o-quinn-named-head-volleyball-coach.aspx) is the women's VB coach, headed to a D2 school (Montevallo).  Can't blame anyone for looking out for themselves given circumstances.

No. Especially when it likely doesn't involve relocation. If you live south of Birmingham, which I suspect most B-SC employees do, Montevallo is less than 45 minutes away. Good opportunity to pretty much seamlessly continue your life, except you are moving from D3 to D2.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 16, 2023, 07:10:47 PM
Quote from: jknezek on February 16, 2023, 08:47:02 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 15, 2023, 09:19:59 PM
The latest coach to leave B-SC (https://montevallofalcons.com/news/2023/2/14/womens-volleyball-o-quinn-named-head-volleyball-coach.aspx) is the women's VB coach, headed to a D2 school (Montevallo).  Can't blame anyone for looking out for themselves given circumstances.

No. Especially when it likely doesn't involve relocation. If you live south of Birmingham, which I suspect most B-SC employees do, Montevallo is less than 45 minutes away. Good opportunity to pretty much seamlessly continue your life, except you are moving from D3 to D2.

We also had an offensive coach leave to become Head Coach at a private high school in Huntsville.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on February 17, 2023, 03:29:37 PM
Well... Birmingham Southern finally struck back. I just wonder if it is way too little, way too late. I always laugh, however, when they say "independent study" but it was paid for by B-SC. I get they hired someone outside the college, but it's like a subject expert at a legal trial... their expert opinion somehow always comes down on the side that paid them.

https://www.wbrc.com/2023/02/16/new-report-shows-birmingham-southern-college-generates-nearly-100-million-economic-impact-state-each-year/

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bmo on February 17, 2023, 07:06:19 PM
Some Trinity scheduling news.

https://fbschedules.com/hcu-adds-arkansas-baptist-to-2023-football-schedule/ ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 17, 2023, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: Bmo on February 17, 2023, 07:06:19 PM
Some Trinity scheduling news.

https://fbschedules.com/hcu-adds-arkansas-baptist-to-2023-football-schedule/ ;)

Was Houston Baptist scared of Trinity, because I've seen BSC play ABC, and that is a bad version of a bad team.  Very underfunded at a very small school in LR. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 17, 2023, 07:55:09 PM
Quote from: jknezek on February 17, 2023, 03:29:37 PM
Well... Birmingham Southern finally struck back. I just wonder if it is way too little, way too late. I always laugh, however, when they say "independent study" but it was paid for by B-SC. I get they hired someone outside the college, but it's like a subject expert at a legal trial... their expert opinion somehow always comes down on the side that paid them.

https://www.wbrc.com/2023/02/16/new-report-shows-birmingham-southern-college-generates-nearly-100-million-economic-impact-state-each-year/

I wonder how much money the SAA brought into BHM just this past weekend with the swim meet being held here.  Multiple days of hotels rooms, food, transportation and facility rental at the Crossplex.  That could have been $20k+ in one weekend for one event.  That doesn't count the 22 other sports that bring in visiting teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 17, 2023, 11:56:44 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 17, 2023, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: Bmo on February 17, 2023, 07:06:19 PM
Some Trinity scheduling news.

https://fbschedules.com/hcu-adds-arkansas-baptist-to-2023-football-schedule/ ;)

Was Houston Baptist scared of Trinity, because I've seen BSC play ABC, and that is a bad version of a bad team.  Very underfunded at a very small school in LR.

Ridiculous. All I can think is that Trinity got a chance to play a potential Top 15 team and as a result, dropped HCU, as that game vs HCU, while cool, would not have a beneficial impact on Trinity's playoff resume. Seems much more like a Trinity decision than an HCU decision.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2023, 02:12:02 PM
Finally - some good news for B-SC.  Whether it's enough good news to make a significant difference will be seen later today.  My guess would be that this is somewhere in the neighborhood of a few million.

https://www.alreporter.com/2023/02/22/sewell-to-announce-funding-to-support-student-initiatives-at-birmingham-southern-college/

QuoteToday, February 22 at 2 p.m. CT, U.S. Rep. Terri Sewell, AL-07, will be joined by Birmingham-Southern College President Daniel B. Coleman and members of the student body to announce major funding for the Birmingham-Southern College experiential learning and civic engagement student initiative.

This funding is part of the $42.8 million that Rep. Sewell secured in the Fiscal Year 2023 government funding package for local projects in Alabama's 7th Congressional District. It will be used to provide meaningful student support in higher education and strengthen the institution's ability to facilitate placement in high-impact internships and jobs through multiple offerings of the Krulak Institute for Leadership, Experiential Learning and Civic Engagement on campus.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 22, 2023, 03:25:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2023, 02:12:02 PM
Finally - some good news for B-SC.  Whether it's enough good news to make a significant difference will be seen later today.  My guess would be that this is somewhere in the neighborhood of a few million.

https://www.alreporter.com/2023/02/22/sewell-to-announce-funding-to-support-student-initiatives-at-birmingham-southern-college/

QuoteToday, February 22 at 2 p.m. CT, U.S. Rep. Terri Sewell, AL-07, will be joined by Birmingham-Southern College President Daniel B. Coleman and members of the student body to announce major funding for the Birmingham-Southern College experiential learning and civic engagement student initiative.

This funding is part of the $42.8 million that Rep. Sewell secured in the Fiscal Year 2023 government funding package for local projects in Alabama's 7th Congressional District. It will be used to provide meaningful student support in higher education and strengthen the institution's ability to facilitate placement in high-impact internships and jobs through multiple offerings of the Krulak Institute for Leadership, Experiential Learning and Civic Engagement on campus.

We were told of this last night in the town hall meeting.  It should be just north of a million dollars for BSC, at least that is what was said. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2023, 04:00:14 PM
There was also a townhall held by the state representative for that area on Tuesday.  https://www.wvtm13.com/article/birmingham-southern-college-town-hall/43015946
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 22, 2023, 08:29:53 PM
What was said to be a million dollars, ended up being $500k.  Still have a long way to go to insure another season of BSC football, and the school.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 23, 2023, 08:50:49 AM
Of interest:  NACUBO releases an annual study on college endowments; the 2022 study, reflecting endowments through June 30, 2022, was just released.  Unfortunately many schools have ceased to participate over recent years; fortunately the missing schools' endowments can usually be dug out from audits available at Propublica.org.  Here are the endowments for the schools playing football in the SAA; those in italics from ProPublica, the others from NACUBO.
The lack of a 2022 audit does not necessarily indicate one was not filed; ProPublica states "[t]he Internal Revenue Service is substantially delayed in processing and releasing nonprofit filing".
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2023, 09:46:01 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on February 22, 2023, 08:29:53 PM
What was said to be a million dollars, ended up being $500k.  Still have a long way to go to insure another season of BSC football, and the school.
My cynical side thinks  "...but the politician got the 'photo-op" to signify how much she cares..."

+1! BSCpanthers for the additional research.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on February 23, 2023, 11:23:09 AM
According to a AL.com article, BSC endowment is between $20-25 million and its debt is $27 million. In 2012, it's endowment was $48 million and debt was $67 million. I'm not sure how the $45 million in pledged funds out of a $200 million goal by 2026 figures into any of this or what kind of operating debt BSC will have this year or next. The $200 million endowment goal in 3 years seems like a huge reach given their current numbers. It would seem BSC would have been better off breaking their fundraising goal into a couple categories, annual operating, endowment and facility improvements. Put a $50 million goal for each category and don't move past annual operating until the goal is meet. A reasonable plan should be to eliminate their debt, get their endowment above $50 million and don't run an annual deficit. Their campus also needs some TLC to function.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 23, 2023, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: cush on February 23, 2023, 11:23:09 AM
According to a AL.com article, BSC endowment is between $20-25 million and its debt is $27 million. In 2012, it's endowment was $48 million and debt was $67 million. I'm not sure how the $45 million in pledged funds out of a $200 million goal by 2026 figures into any of this or what kind of operating debt BSC will have this year or next. The $200 million endowment goal in 3 years seems like a huge reach given their current numbers. It would seem BSC would have been better off breaking their fundraising goal into a couple categories, annual operating, endowment and facility improvements. Put a $50 million goal for each category and don't move past annual operating until the goal is meet. A reasonable plan should be to eliminate their debt, get their endowment above $50 million and don't run an annual deficit. Their campus also needs some TLC to function.

There has been a lot of differed maintenance as they have moved through this financial situation.  Just to catch up on that is going to take quite a bit of money.  It was noticeable when students came back to campus this past fall that residence hall maintenance had been put off.  Hopefully, if the money is given, that is one of the first things they address is getting the campus back to being as nice and inviting as possible.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2023, 10:31:51 PM
Quote from: cush on February 23, 2023, 11:23:09 AM
According to a AL.com article, BSC endowment is between $20-25 million and its debt is $27 million. In 2012, it's endowment was $48 million and debt was $67 million. I'm not sure how the $45 million in pledged funds out of a $200 million goal by 2026 figures into any of this or what kind of operating debt BSC will have this year or next. The $200 million endowment goal in 3 years seems like a huge reach given their current numbers. It would seem BSC would have been better off breaking their fundraising goal into a couple categories, annual operating, endowment and facility improvements. Put a $50 million goal for each category and don't move past annual operating until the goal is meet. A reasonable plan should be to eliminate their debt, get their endowment above $50 million and don't run an annual deficit. Their campus also needs some TLC to function.
Even tho' McMurry's NACUBO numbers are not included in this year's publication, I have researched McMurry's IRS filings. I am familiar with McMurry's endowment and its monies from trusts that are managed by a third party.

I would presume that B-SC's "endowment/NACUBO" totals include quite a bit of trust money that would revert to another entity, were BS-C to go under. In that case, I am sure that their "endowment" is much less that what we are seeing, and that they are virtually broke.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2023, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: cush on February 23, 2023, 11:23:09 AM
According to a AL.com article, BSC endowment is between $20-25 million and its debt is $27 million. In 2012, it's endowment was $48 million and debt was $67 million. I'm not sure how the $45 million in pledged funds out of a $200 million goal by 2026 figures into any of this or what kind of operating debt BSC will have this year or next. The $200 million endowment goal in 3 years seems like a huge reach given their current numbers. It would seem BSC would have been better off breaking their fundraising goal into a couple categories, annual operating, endowment and facility improvements. Put a $50 million goal for each category and don't move past annual operating until the goal is meet. A reasonable plan should be to eliminate their debt, get their endowment above $50 million and don't run an annual deficit. Their campus also needs some TLC to function.

The administration has pledged that the additional endowment money raised so far won't be utilized until they reach their goal, which is one reason why they are trying to get the $30M to cover ongoing, short-term future, and deferred costs.  Not saying that's a great strategy but it probably had to be done to convince donors who were on the fence to make a commitment.  Here's why:

Between June 30, 2022 and today, the endowment has gone from an audited $54 million to 'between $20-25 million'.  Burning through $30 million in 18 months - yes, there were market losses but if they lost 10% in investment value (which is above average for the period) that would only account for a sixth of the loss. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2023, 07:41:21 AM
I had the pleasure of running into Coach Urban at yesterday's SCAC men's basketball championships and he shared what they're planning for the non-conference slate.  I can say that it's truly something they've never done before and is more challenging than last year's schedule.  They are hoping to be able to release it this week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2023, 06:53:51 PM
Thanks to a d3ticker.com post I see the SAA is looking for a new commissioner (https://saa-sports.com/news/2023/2/23/general.aspx) as of 2/23.  Is Jay Gardiner retiring or moving to a role elsewhere?  The release says nothing about the need for the search or Gardiner himself. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DuffMan on February 28, 2023, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2023, 07:41:21 AM
I had the pleasure of running into Coach Urban at yesterday's SCAC men's basketball championships and he shared what they're planning for the non-conference slate.  I can say that it's truly something they've never done before and is more challenging than last year's schedule.  They are hoping to be able to release it this week.

I saw this leaked on Twitter yesterday.  Awesome move by all parties! 

Trinity will play two DIII powerhouses in 2023 (https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2023/02/27/trinity-will-play-two-diii-powerhouses-in-2023?ref=article_preview_title)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on February 28, 2023, 09:15:27 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on February 28, 2023, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2023, 07:41:21 AM
I had the pleasure of running into Coach Urban at yesterday's SCAC men's basketball championships and he shared what they're planning for the non-conference slate.  I can say that it's truly something they've never done before and is more challenging than last year's schedule.  They are hoping to be able to release it this week.

I saw this leaked on Twitter yesterday.  Awesome move by all parties! 

Trinity will play two DIII powerhouses in 2023 (https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2023/02/27/trinity-will-play-two-diii-powerhouses-in-2023?ref=article_preview_title)

MU and NC need to take note.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on February 28, 2023, 10:30:00 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on February 28, 2023, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2023, 07:41:21 AM
I had the pleasure of running into Coach Urban at yesterday's SCAC men's basketball championships and he shared what they're planning for the non-conference slate.  I can say that it's truly something they've never done before and is more challenging than last year's schedule.  They are hoping to be able to release it this week.

I saw this leaked on Twitter yesterday.  Awesome move by all parties! 

Trinity will play two DIII powerhouses in 2023 (https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2023/02/27/trinity-will-play-two-diii-powerhouses-in-2023?ref=article_preview_title)

So glad to hear about this, both schools get a good non conference game that doesn't require either to get on a plane. Now all UMHB has to do is fine another team to say yes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DuffMan on February 28, 2023, 11:12:52 AM
Last time SJU and Trinity played, Coach Urban and DuffMan were on the field.  :o
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3fanboy on February 28, 2023, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: TromboneJB on February 28, 2023, 09:15:27 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on February 28, 2023, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2023, 07:41:21 AM
I had the pleasure of running into Coach Urban at yesterday's SCAC men's basketball championships and he shared what they're planning for the non-conference slate.  I can say that it's truly something they've never done before and is more challenging than last year's schedule.  They are hoping to be able to release it this week.

I saw this leaked on Twitter yesterday.  Awesome move by all parties! 

Trinity will play two DIII powerhouses in 2023 (https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2023/02/27/trinity-will-play-two-diii-powerhouses-in-2023?ref=article_preview_title)

MU and NC need to take note.

lol
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associationr be
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 28, 2023, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on February 28, 2023, 11:12:52 AM
Last time SJU and Trinity played, Coach Urban and DuffMan were on the field.  :o

This was back in the day when D3football.com was sending writers to cover games (the internet having yet to have the bandwidth and wide usage it does today).  Normally I would have been there - at the time I was the located up the road north of Dallas and would become a regional correspondent the following season - but we had to attend a theatre performance by our niece at Kent State.  As a result, I missed seeing what turned out to be Trinity's last playoff win for nearly two decades.  I did go the following week, much to my chagrin.

I may have to see if I can get up to Collegeville for one of the seminal experiences in all of small-college football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2023, 09:13:40 AM
Going back to the SAA commissioner search, apparently the role is, for whatever reason, now vacant as the search page says "{s}creening of candidates will begin March 13 and continue until the position is filled." 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Associationr be
Post by: DuffMan on March 01, 2023, 12:42:36 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 28, 2023, 07:38:02 PM
As a result, I missed seeing what turned out to be Trinity's last playoff win for nearly two decades.

That's tough to believe as that '02 team was pretty darn good.  Even with Hampton, I don't think they would have beaten MUC, but they were good.  I'm definitely not still bitter. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DuffMan on March 01, 2023, 01:48:00 PM
Here's the official announcement from SJU: SJU Football Completes 2023 Schedule (https://gojohnnies.com/news/2023/3/1/sju-football-completes-2023-schedule-leads-division-iii-in-2022-total-attendance.aspx) 

The 2023 game is at SJU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2023, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on March 01, 2023, 01:48:00 PM
Here's the official announcement from SJU: SJU Football Completes 2023 Schedule (https://gojohnnies.com/news/2023/3/1/sju-football-completes-2023-schedule-leads-division-iii-in-2022-total-attendance.aspx) 

The 2023 game is at SJU.

Kind of your coach to state that Trinity is a 'perennial' playoff participant when they've only made them twice in the last decade, albeit the last two seasons.  Hope we will have the chance to see the Johnnies in SA next season.

Trinity also posted its schedule (https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/3/1/fb_2023_sched.aspx); @SJU, UMHB in San Antonio, and then at revenge-minded Birmingham-Southern.  With Southwestern joining the SAA those first two games are the sole non-conference fixtures, and the bye week doesn't come until mid-October.  Pretty tough schedule (Capt. Obvious here) - besides facing those three programs in three weeks Trinity alternates home and away all season. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on March 03, 2023, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2023, 09:13:40 AM
Going back to the SAA commissioner search, apparently the role is, for whatever reason, now vacant as the search page says "{s}creening of candidates will begin March 13 and continue until the position is filled."

Jay is retiring
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 08:22:47 AM
The SAA yesterday announced the addition of indoor track & field as a sponsored conference sport (https://saa-sports.com/news/2023/3/8/general-saa-to-begin-sponsoring-indoor-track-field-championships.aspx).  Centre will host the initial championships at their new indoor six-lane facility in 2024 with the next year set for the Birmingham Crossplex (hopefully there is still a local school to host by then).  Smart move.

Per the release, all eight SAA schools are participating independently in 2023; qualifying in T&F is done on a time/distance/height basis so there's no Pool A/B/C and thus no minimum number of participants for NCAA championships. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bmo on March 09, 2023, 10:24:11 AM
Trinity and Southwestern are moving to the SAA.

https://www.trinity.edu/news/trinity-university-athletics-moving-southern-athletic-association
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on March 09, 2023, 12:25:55 PM
Surprised they also don't add centenary. If BSC survives, any updates?, than jump to 12 with another Kentucky school, Transylvania or  Berea, so everybody has a travel partner. The Scac should absorb all the ASC schools, maybe Colorado college jumps somewhere, not sure where though, D2?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on March 09, 2023, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: cush on March 09, 2023, 12:25:55 PM
Surprised they also don't add centenary. If BSC survives, any updates?, than jump to 12 with another Kentucky school, Transylvania or  Berea, so everybody has a travel partner. The Scac should absorb all the ASC schools, maybe Colorado college jumps somewhere, not sure where though, D2?

Haven't seen any updates on B-SC except for one editorial suggesting the state take it over and turn it into a "Hillsdale College" of the South. I don't think that is going to sway too many politicians, even down here.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2023, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: jknezek on March 09, 2023, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: cush on March 09, 2023, 12:25:55 PM
Surprised they also don't add centenary. If BSC survives, any updates?, than jump to 12 with another Kentucky school, Transylvania or  Berea, so everybody has a travel partner. The Scac should absorb all the ASC schools, maybe Colorado college jumps somewhere, not sure where though, D2?

Haven't seen any updates on B-SC except for one editorial suggesting the state take it over and turn it into a "Hillsdale College" of the South. I don't think that is going to sway too many politicians, even down here.
I have questions as to whether the BSC "family" would want their institution being the Hillsdale of the South.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on March 09, 2023, 01:46:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2023, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: jknezek on March 09, 2023, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: cush on March 09, 2023, 12:25:55 PM
Surprised they also don't add centenary. If BSC survives, any updates?, than jump to 12 with another Kentucky school, Transylvania or  Berea, so everybody has a travel partner. The Scac should absorb all the ASC schools, maybe Colorado college jumps somewhere, not sure where though, D2?

Haven't seen any updates on B-SC except for one editorial suggesting the state take it over and turn it into a "Hillsdale College" of the South. I don't think that is going to sway too many politicians, even down here.
I have questions as to whether the BSC "family" would want their institution being the Hillsdale of the South.

If they are going to close the doors without 35-40MM in state aid, or if the state was going to take it over completely, I'm thinking the "family" wouldn't have any say. If they want to save the school and their "say", they need to pony up now, and it doesn't seem like that is happening. I'd assume if B-SC was making good progress on their 200MM goal, they'd be trumpeting it loud and proud to show that this really will only be a bridge loan from public money.

But yeah, this was just a conservative education columnist spitballing an idea. I'd be surprised if it had any real backing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on March 09, 2023, 07:45:17 PM
Quote from: jknezek on March 09, 2023, 01:28:12 PM

Haven't seen any updates on B-SC except for one editorial suggesting the state take it over and turn it into a "Hillsdale College" of the South. I don't think that is going to sway too many politicians, even down here.

Nope, that one isn't viable.    The state system already has the University of Montevallo as its " Small Liberal Arts College".     And the Alabama Commission on Higher Education, with the most apt acronym for a government agency: ACHE, is already a  pretty right-leaning organization that would push UM in that direction first.

The Alabama Legislature is in special session trying to figure out what the state's going to do with the rest of its COVID money and then starts their regular Spring session on 3/14.   Should hear some more news once those things get really rolling.   There's some hope as the state Educational Trust Fund that gets all of the education related tax revenue has a fairly large surplus this year.  But that's a long shot.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 08:29:23 PM
So the SAA Council of Presidents (university presidents) had to approve this, and to be honest I'm surprised they did even with the likely loss of Birmingham-Southern, unfortunate as it is. They act on recommendations from the SAA Athletic Director's Council.  Given the history of the SAA leaving the SCAC for various reasons (travel, academics, Trinity's dominance of the SCAC all-sports trophy) there's something else going on here.  A guaranteed Pool A bid in football is nice, but is it that nice?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2023, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 08:29:23 PM
So the SAA Council of Presidents (university presidents) had to approve this, and to be honest I'm surprised they did even with the likely loss of Birmingham-Southern, unfortunate as it is. They act on recommendations from the SAA Athletic Director's Council.  Given the history of the SAA leaving the SCAC for various reasons (travel, academics, Trinity's dominance of the SCAC all-sports trophy) there's something else going on here.  A guaranteed Pool A bid in football is nice, but is it that nice?

Birmingham-Southern is obviously all the talk right now but I wouldn't be surprised if other SAA schools end up in a similar circumstance in the next 5-plus years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 11, 2023, 09:51:34 PM
We, BSC, have released our football schedule for '23.  Confidence is, I'd like to say high, but not quite, so I'll say confidence is good that we will still be a school in 2023.  Hoping something will come from the state soon and we can start looking for the future. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on March 13, 2023, 11:41:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2023, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 08:29:23 PM
So the SAA Council of Presidents (university presidents) had to approve this, and to be honest I'm surprised they did even with the likely loss of Birmingham-Southern, unfortunate as it is. They act on recommendations from the SAA Athletic Director's Council.  Given the history of the SAA leaving the SCAC for various reasons (travel, academics, Trinity's dominance of the SCAC all-sports trophy) there's something else going on here.  A guaranteed Pool A bid in football is nice, but is it that nice?

Birmingham-Southern is obviously all the talk right now but I wouldn't be surprised if other SAA schools end up in a similar circumstance in the next 5-plus years.

Outside of Millsaps, which has a $115mil endowment, what other SAA schools do you forecast having financial issues in the near future?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 14, 2023, 09:04:11 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on March 13, 2023, 11:41:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2023, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 08:29:23 PM
So the SAA Council of Presidents (university presidents) had to approve this, and to be honest I'm surprised they did even with the likely loss of Birmingham-Southern, unfortunate as it is. They act on recommendations from the SAA Athletic Director's Council.  Given the history of the SAA leaving the SCAC for various reasons (travel, academics, Trinity's dominance of the SCAC all-sports trophy) there's something else going on here.  A guaranteed Pool A bid in football is nice, but is it that nice?

Birmingham-Southern is obviously all the talk right now but I wouldn't be surprised if other SAA schools end up in a similar circumstance in the next 5-plus years.

Outside of Millsaps, which has a $115mil endowment, what other SAA schools do you forecast having financial issues in the near future?

It may be a numbers (enrollment) game rather than a strictly financial issue, but FWIW here are all the endowments with source (NACUBO are as of June 30, 2022)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on March 15, 2023, 01:27:52 PM
My take is that the SAA college with the worst prospects beyond B-SC is going to be Millsaps.   They've had financial and enrollment struggles for a number of years.    Their big issue of the moment is their enrollment base is, like B-SC's, heavy on the regional recruitment and they find themselves competing for those students with Mississippi College,  Belhaven, MUW, and the honors programs at Ole Miss and Mississippi State.   Figure that was one of the contributors to why Rob Pearigen decided to leave the President position at Millsaps and come home to Sewanee when our VC position opened last year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 15, 2023, 02:13:43 PM
Word on the street is BSC should hear something over the next two weeks, after BSC spring break, which is next week.  It has also been said that the government bailout may not be BSC's only option to survive this school year.  Time will tell, but hopefully we are getting closer to getting an answer, finally.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 20, 2023, 10:07:02 AM
UPDATE ON BSC.............The request for money from the state was for $30 million, half from COVID money and half from the state education fund.  The state voted on the COVID money budget, the state is spending it on infrastructure, medical and rural internet expansion, so no money for BSC.  We are now hoping for all the funds from the states current billion dollar excess in the education fund.  I have a couple questions about that, first off being why do we have a billion dollar excess in our education fund when we need new schools and teachers in this state.  Second being when does that get voted on?  The school BoD has set the end of March as a deadline of a decision being made on the school. So essentially 10 days from now we should know if we still have Birmingham Southern College. 

Time is short, I don't have the most positive feeling at the moment.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on March 20, 2023, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 20, 2023, 10:07:02 AM
UPDATE ON BSC.............The request for money from the state was for $30 million, half from COVID money and half from the state education fund.  The state voted on the COVID money budget, the state is spending it on infrastructure, medical and rural internet expansion, so no money for BSC.  We are now hoping for all the funds from the states current billion dollar excess in the education fund.  I have a couple questions about that, first off being why do we have a billion dollar excess in our education fund when we need new schools and teachers in this state.  Second being when does that get voted on?  The school BoD has set the end of March as a deadline of a decision being made on the school. So essentially 10 days from now we should know if we still have Birmingham Southern College. 

Time is short, I don't have the most positive feeling at the moment.

We live in Alabama. There are some really great things about this state. The education system, however, by whatever measure you want to use, is not one of them. We consistently rank in the bottom of just about every metric and we will continue to do so because education is not valued in this state.

That education surplus? That won't be used to create long-term liabilities like increased teacher pay and resources or more schools. Those would pay off in the long-term with a better state for employers, better jobs, and better tax receipts. But in the short term? It needs to be funded year in and out with taxpayer dollars, dollars they may have this year, but they aren't going to have every year. And raising taxes in the years they don't? Never going to happen.

Not to fund education, and certainly not to fund a private higher education institution like B-SC.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on March 20, 2023, 03:38:14 PM
Coach McCollum and assistant coaches Drew Gaither and Mike Pelton were the guests on this week's episode of "Coffee with the Coach" podcast from our Athletic Department.   Introductions and a preview for the spring.

https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/3/20/coffee-with-the-coach-head-football-coach-andy-mccollum.aspx (https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/3/20/coffee-with-the-coach-head-football-coach-andy-mccollum.aspx)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 20, 2023, 07:17:57 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 20, 2023, 10:07:02 AM
UPDATE ON BSC.............The request for money from the state was for $30 million, half from COVID money and half from the state education fund.  The state voted on the COVID money budget, the state is spending it on infrastructure, medical and rural internet expansion, so no money for BSC.  We are now hoping for all the funds from the states current billion dollar excess in the education fund.  I have a couple questions about that, first off being why do we have a billion dollar excess in our education fund when we need new schools and teachers in this state.  Second being when does that get voted on?  The school BoD has set the end of March as a deadline of a decision being made on the school. So essentially 10 days from now we should know if we still have Birmingham Southern College. 

Time is short, I don't have the most positive feeling at the moment.

Here is a story from the local PBS station (https://wbhm.org/2023/bsc-prez-disappointed-legislature-didnt-approve-funding-but-will-continue-push-to-stay-open/) with a few more details; notably
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 25, 2023, 08:29:50 AM
Two Birmingham city councilors proposed a "measure of support" (no actual financial commitment) but there was enough pushback that the measure was tabled until next month, by which point the school's future may be a fait accompli:  https://www.cbs42.com/news/local/city-council-pumps-the-brakes-on-birmingham-southern-colleges-request-for-bailout/

Birmingham Mayor Woodfin expresses his support for the school, but doesn't mention any funds coming from the city to support the school in this hour of need:  https://www.birminghamtimes.com/2023/03/woodfin-birmingham-southern-college-is-important-to-our-city-our-state/

The school again requested funding from the state:  https://1819news.com/news/item/birmingham-southern-makes-one-last-push-for-state-bailout
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2023, 07:35:10 PM
April 5th is now the decision date for the BoT.  BSC still has some hope in Montgomery after it came to light that the Education Trust Fund budget included $25mil for an over budget, behind schedule whitewater park in Montgomery.  That's a hard pill to swallow when BSC is only asking for $30mil for actual education needs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2023, 07:35:10 PM
April 5th is now the decision date for the BoT.  BSC still has some hope in Montgomery after it came to light that the Education Trust Fund budget included $25mil for an over budget, behind schedule whitewater park in Montgomery.  That's a hard pill to swallow when BSC is only asking for $30mil for actual education needs.

Unfortunately (and unsurprisingly given her other positions) Governor Ivey said today "[t]he state has no plans to use the taxpayers' public funds to bail out a private college." link (https://abc3340.com/news/local/taxpayer-money-will-not-be-used-to-help-birmingham-southern-college-kay-ivey-money-finance-tuition-bsc-)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2023, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2023, 07:35:10 PM
April 5th is now the decision date for the BoT.  BSC still has some hope in Montgomery after it came to light that the Education Trust Fund budget included $25mil for an over budget, behind schedule whitewater park in Montgomery.  That's a hard pill to swallow when BSC is only asking for $30mil for actual education needs.

Unfortunately (and unsurprisingly given her other positions) Governor Ivey said today "[t]he state has no plans to use the taxpayers' public funds to bail out a private college." link (https://abc3340.com/news/local/taxpayer-money-will-not-be-used-to-help-birmingham-southern-college-kay-ivey-money-finance-tuition-bsc-)

William Ainsworth needs to be ready to be governor. Memaw needs to go.  She needs to understand it isn't her money, it belongs to the people of the state.  The state is spending $600mil for the University of Alabama and 2/3 of its student body is from out of state.  What I'm saying is that's a lot of the states money that is spent on something that most citizens of Alabama won't use.  Public or private, these schools aren't for everyone.  BSC is a not for profit school, a one time request of funds is not a ridiculous request. 

I'm rambling, but just frustrated with how some of the politicians have responded to the request, including our gov'ner.  Hope she enjoys her whitewater park, I'm sure there will be plenty of educational opportunities there.   >:(
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on March 28, 2023, 08:58:12 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2023, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2023, 07:35:10 PM
April 5th is now the decision date for the BoT.  BSC still has some hope in Montgomery after it came to light that the Education Trust Fund budget included $25mil for an over budget, behind schedule whitewater park in Montgomery.  That's a hard pill to swallow when BSC is only asking for $30mil for actual education needs.

Unfortunately (and unsurprisingly given her other positions) Governor Ivey said today "[t]he state has no plans to use the taxpayers' public funds to bail out a private college." link (https://abc3340.com/news/local/taxpayer-money-will-not-be-used-to-help-birmingham-southern-college-kay-ivey-money-finance-tuition-bsc-)

William Ainsworth needs to be ready to be governor. Memaw needs to go.  She needs to understand it isn't her money, it belongs to the people of the state.  The state is spending $600mil for the University of Alabama and 2/3 of its student body is from out of state.  What I'm saying is that's a lot of the states money that is spent on something that most citizens of Alabama won't use.  Public or private, these schools aren't for everyone.  BSC is a not for profit school, a one time request of funds is not a ridiculous request. 

I'm rambling, but just frustrated with how some of the politicians have responded to the request, including our gov'ner.  Hope she enjoys her whitewater park, I'm sure there will be plenty of educational opportunities there.   >:(

Yeah. That whitewater park is a tough pill to swallow. I've been watching that garbage pile for a year or two as it developed. Kind of ridiculous. Especially how they are tying themselves in knots trying to talk about how it provides education opportunities. But this is about what I expected. B-SC was not going to get money from the state. As for U of Alabama in Tuscaloosa, the number of out of state students doesn't matter. What matters is the number of in-state voters, and that doesn't just include students and alums, that includes football fans.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 28, 2023, 02:49:46 PM
Now it has come to light that Ivey's Education Trust Fund budget included $100mil towards the $1.4billion prison construction, that is now a billion dollars over budget.  As well as $5mil to pay off the remaining debt from Birmingham hosting the World Games last year.  But she still demands that no money be given to a private school. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2023, 03:48:38 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2023, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2023, 07:35:10 PM
April 5th is now the decision date for the BoT.  BSC still has some hope in Montgomery after it came to light that the Education Trust Fund budget included $25mil for an over budget, behind schedule whitewater park in Montgomery.  That's a hard pill to swallow when BSC is only asking for $30mil for actual education needs.

Unfortunately (and unsurprisingly given her other positions) Governor Ivey said today "[t]he state has no plans to use the taxpayers' public funds to bail out a private college." link (https://abc3340.com/news/local/taxpayer-money-will-not-be-used-to-help-birmingham-southern-college-kay-ivey-money-finance-tuition-bsc-)

William Ainsworth needs to be ready to be governor. Memaw needs to go.  She needs to understand it isn't her money, it belongs to the people of the state.  The state is spending $600mil for the University of Alabama and 2/3 of its student body is from out of state.  What I'm saying is that's a lot of the states money that is spent on something that most citizens of Alabama won't use.  Public or private, these schools aren't for everyone.  BSC is a not for profit school, a one time request of funds is not a ridiculous request. 

I'm rambling, but just frustrated with how some of the politicians have responded to the request, including our gov'ner.  Hope she enjoys her whitewater park, I'm sure there will be plenty of educational opportunities there.   >:(
Having paid "out-of-state" tuition for 2 daughters to go to Auburn 20 years ago (basically 3 times higher than the in-state rate) those students paying a premium to go to an Alabama state university.

This is not the "popular" answer. With respect to Gov Ivey not bailing out a university that has been chronically mismanaged, why should the citizens of Alabama be an enabler of bad management? I am well aware of university boards that have had to correct the bad decisions of a President. Were her bailing out the university to be precedent setting, I would not want that. If this situation were the next descent down the slippery slope, then I don't want her to do it either.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on March 28, 2023, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2023, 03:48:38 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2023, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2023, 07:35:10 PM
April 5th is now the decision date for the BoT.  BSC still has some hope in Montgomery after it came to light that the Education Trust Fund budget included $25mil for an over budget, behind schedule whitewater park in Montgomery.  That's a hard pill to swallow when BSC is only asking for $30mil for actual education needs.

Unfortunately (and unsurprisingly given her other positions) Governor Ivey said today "[t]he state has no plans to use the taxpayers' public funds to bail out a private college." link (https://abc3340.com/news/local/taxpayer-money-will-not-be-used-to-help-birmingham-southern-college-kay-ivey-money-finance-tuition-bsc-)

William Ainsworth needs to be ready to be governor. Memaw needs to go.  She needs to understand it isn't her money, it belongs to the people of the state.  The state is spending $600mil for the University of Alabama and 2/3 of its student body is from out of state.  What I'm saying is that's a lot of the states money that is spent on something that most citizens of Alabama won't use.  Public or private, these schools aren't for everyone.  BSC is a not for profit school, a one time request of funds is not a ridiculous request. 

I'm rambling, but just frustrated with how some of the politicians have responded to the request, including our gov'ner.  Hope she enjoys her whitewater park, I'm sure there will be plenty of educational opportunities there.   >:(
Having paid "out-of-state" tuition for 2 daughters to go to Auburn 20 years ago (basically 3 times higher than the in-state rate) those students paying a premium to go to an Alabama state university.

This is not the "popular" answer. With respect to Gov Ivey not bailing out a university that has been chronically mismanaged, why should the citizens of Alabama be an enabler of bad management? I am well aware of university boards that have had to correct the bad decisions of a President. Were her bailing out the university to be precedent setting, I would not want that. If this situation were the next descent down the slippery slope, then I don't want her to do it either.

And this is the rub. B-SC has been sickly for over 20yrs. In that time, one administration made good progress, but it didn't last long. I'm fairly neutral on whether it "should" be bailed out, I can see both pros and cons, especially given what will happen to that property if it is shut down. I understand BSCpanthers point on the hypocrisy of using "education surplus funds" for prisons and whitewater rating parks and all kinds of other pet projects, but not an educational institution.

My wife is an elementary school special ed teacher here in AL. She struggles daily to get what she needs for her classroom and we have a monthly portion of our home budget that we use toward buying the things she needs to do projects and repair her classroom, and keep snacks handy for her kids and more. Why? Because the state won't. Instead all kinds of pet projects, and financial debacles like our $1B replacement prison (we were supposed to get 2 for that, we need 4, and we get regularly sued and pay out to prisoners and the Fed Government for our current inhumane and overpopulated prisons) get funded.

But I suspect this happens in all states with discretionary spending, regardless of what the headline is for the money. So we have a headline of Education money, but really, it's whatever can be justified and lobbied for. B-SC has failed to successfully lobby why they should get the funding, so it will go other places.

Frankly though, it they send me a $400-$800 refund check, which is another option for the surplus, I'll just tuck it away for my wife's classroom spending. Anyone else in AL who would like to donate to that account if we get a refund, let me know! (Just kidding, sort of).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on March 28, 2023, 04:56:12 PM
has the state nixed the idea of making BSC a public liberal arts school ? I hope they have a plan other than being a Scrooge and letting the campus turn into a urban decay wasteland. How about Mercedes Benz make a $50 million donation to BSC and than the state give them some more tax benefits to offset the donation  ;D I mean I read in 1993 the state gave them $253 million in incentives to build a plant.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 28, 2023, 05:52:26 PM
Quote from: cush on March 28, 2023, 04:56:12 PM
has the state nixed the idea of making BSC a public liberal arts school ? I hope they have a plan other than being a Scrooge and letting the campus turn into a urban decay wasteland. How about Mercedes Benz make a $50 million donation to BSC and than the state give them some more tax benefits to offset the donation  ;D I mean I read in 1993 the state gave them $253 million in incentives to build a plant.

There was an article recently that made the case that if BSC didn't currently exist, the state would spend millions to bring it Alabama, but since it's already here, let it die.  I think something slightly more sinister may be happening.  Multiple rumors of different public schools taking over the campus, Auburn and Troy to get a campus in Birmingham, UAB to expand and place something there.  If the state is holding off funding purely to be able to then turn and buy/take over the campus for a public school, that's not cool either. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on March 29, 2023, 09:35:04 AM
Quote from: cush on March 28, 2023, 04:56:12 PM
has the state nixed the idea of making BSC a public liberal arts school ? I hope they have a plan other than being a Scrooge and letting the campus turn into a urban decay wasteland. How about Mercedes Benz make a $50 million donation to BSC and than the state give them some more tax benefits to offset the donation  ;D I mean I read in 1993 the state gave them $253 million in incentives to build a plant.

This was never on the table. There is a public liberal arts school about 40 miles south in the University of Montevallo. I said from the beginning the best hope was for UAB to take it over as an honors college or something. I still think that is the best outcome. Ruining a mostly beautiful pre-made University campus by allowing it to become blighted, in an already blighted area is... well, it's stupid, but I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

I'd be hard pressed to see why Auburn or Troy need a Birmingham area campus with UAB already serving there, but who knows? UAB usually gets the short shaft in favor of Tuscaloosa and Auburn, so maybe Auburn does get it done. It all depends on the proposal. If Auburn or Troy or any other public school can offer something UAB isn't, I suppose it could make sense, but it's hard to say that the area is underserved by public universities when UAB is a pretty broad based public school.

Before that happens though, B-SC is going to be on their own to decide if they can stay open or not. I suspect the answer is "not". If they had any significant success on the fundraising side, they'd be trumpeting it every day as evidence that they just need a little help but they are a supported going concern.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 29, 2023, 09:43:58 AM
In related/unrelated (by conference/region) news, Iowa Wesleyan University is closing. As the article below notes, the state refused a request for American Rescue Plan (COVID) funding to help buy time to stabilize even the outlook for the school was actually starting to improve.

https://www.thegazette.com/higher-education/iowa-wesleyan-university-closing-after-181-years/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on March 29, 2023, 11:52:51 AM
If BSC seriously believes they can fundraise $200 million by 2026 than I don't know why they would close down. Even if you knock $50 million off that goal if that was suppose to come from state aid, $150 million over 3 years is a lot more coming in than most small liberal arts colleges. As I said before, the church of the highlands with their highlands college and fundraising ability seems like the best vehicle to keep a private liberal arts college at the BSC location. Yet, that would assume the church of the highlands wants to run a private liberal arts college to expand their brand along with a bible college at the former health south campus.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 30, 2023, 08:43:48 AM
Apropos of nothing, I updated the enrollment numbers for the SAA schools on Wikipedia this morning.  With one exception the numbers all come from the respective school's "about" sites; the one for Oglethorpe is from an Atlanta Constitution-Journal story from earlier this school year. 
The numbers that were on Wikipedia previously are of unknown provenance but probably provide a sense of trends over at least the last few years. 
If you're Millsaps, you're in trouble.  OTOH, the increases at Berry, 'thorpe, and Sewanee are welcome surprises.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on March 30, 2023, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 30, 2023, 08:43:48 AM
Apropos of nothing, I updated the enrollment numbers for the SAA schools on Wikipedia this morning.  With one exception the numbers all come from the respective school's "about" sites; the one for Oglethorpe is from an Atlanta Constitution-Journal story from earlier this school year. 
  • Berry:  2367 (including ~150 graduate students)
  • BSC: 1283
  • Centre: 1400
  • Hendrix: 1,144
  • Millsaps: 700
  • Oglethorpe: 1494
  • Rhodes: 2070
  • Sewanee:  1735
The numbers that were on Wikipedia previously are of unknown provenance but probably provide a sense of trends over at least the last few years. 
  • Berry +22%
  • BSC -20%
  • Centre -1%
  • Hendrix -18%
  • Millsaps -39%
  • Oglethorpe +49%
  • Rhodes +4%
  • Sewanee +25%
If you're Millsaps, you're in trouble.  OTOH, the increases at Berry, 'thorpe, and Sewanee are welcome surprises.

MIllsaps -- declining enrollment, a 100MM endowment, and located in a city that has a hard time providing water to its residents. If one of my kids was interested, I'd be pretty vocal about them looking somewhere else.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 31, 2023, 12:10:52 AM
Quote from: jknezek on March 30, 2023, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 30, 2023, 08:43:48 AM
Apropos of nothing, I updated the enrollment numbers for the SAA schools on Wikipedia this morning.  With one exception the numbers all come from the respective school's "about" sites; the one for Oglethorpe is from an Atlanta Constitution-Journal story from earlier this school year. 
  • Berry:  2367 (including ~150 graduate students)
  • BSC: 1283
  • Centre: 1400
  • Hendrix: 1,144
  • Millsaps: 700
  • Oglethorpe: 1494
  • Rhodes: 2070
  • Sewanee:  1735
The numbers that were on Wikipedia previously are of unknown provenance but probably provide a sense of trends over at least the last few years. 
  • Berry +22%
  • BSC -20%
  • Centre -1%
  • Hendrix -18%
  • Millsaps -39%
  • Oglethorpe +49%
  • Rhodes +4%
  • Sewanee +25%
If you're Millsaps, you're in trouble.  OTOH, the increases at Berry, 'thorpe, and Sewanee are welcome surprises.

MIllsaps -- declining enrollment, a 100MM endowment, and located in a city that has a hard time providing water to its residents. If one of my kids was interested, I'd be pretty vocal about them looking somewhere else.

Well and you also consider that there are a ton of other options for prospective students right in the same area. If we're talking athletics, Belhaven and Mississippi College are both nearby, and from what I understand, in a better situation as far as resources and finances. Tough to overlook that. There's nothing that really stands out about Millsaps (in my opinion of course) and I think it is represented in the enrollment numbers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2023, 08:11:17 AM
Today is the day for BSC, announcement by the school is supposed to be at 12:30 central time, so a little more than 5 hours from now, 

This morning is going to go by especially slow. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2023, 08:11:17 AM
Today is the day for BSC, announcement by the school is supposed to be at 12:30 central time, so a little more than 5 hours from now, 

This morning is going to go by especially slow.

Never mind, meeting has been postponed........
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 05, 2023, 01:12:13 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2023, 08:11:17 AM
Today is the day for BSC, announcement by the school is supposed to be at 12:30 central time, so a little more than 5 hours from now, 

This morning is going to go by especially slow.

Never mind, meeting has been postponed........

This actually could be good news - that they're trying to finalize the funding needed to continue.  But at the same time it's excruciating to have to wait indefinitely - did they reschedule?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2023, 07:57:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 05, 2023, 01:12:13 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2023, 08:11:17 AM
Today is the day for BSC, announcement by the school is supposed to be at 12:30 central time, so a little more than 5 hours from now, 

This morning is going to go by especially slow.

Never mind, meeting has been postponed........

This actually could be good news - that they're trying to finalize the funding needed to continue.  But at the same time it's excruciating to have to wait indefinitely - did they reschedule?

They say they are still meeting, even now at 7pm local. They say they will update tonight. I'm taking it as a good sign, if they were closing, it would have been announced already.  It I see this as they are still turning over rocks and poking bears.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 05, 2023, 09:12:59 PM
Announcement now at 11am central tomorrow for BSC. Hopefully they'll stick to it this time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on April 06, 2023, 11:46:56 AM
they can't keep delaying forever.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 06, 2023, 12:02:05 PM
I wandered over here from the MIAC board because I saw something on Twitter about BSC's potential closure.

My big question is: how did this information leak? You'd think that discussions of potential closure would be had only the highest levels with the first priority being confidentiality. This discussion being leaked to the public could cause all sorts of untold damage. If I'm a parent whose child is looking at BSC, the first thing I ask myself is whether it is worth going to a school that just about closed--especially with the 2026 demographic cliff coming.

I'm sure there's other nuance and speculation at play here. There's probably plenty I've missed, but wanted to join the discussion.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 06, 2023, 12:07:07 PM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 06, 2023, 12:02:05 PM
I wandered over here from the MIAC board because I saw something on Twitter about BSC's potential closure.

My big question is: how did this information leak? You'd think that discussions of potential closure would be had only the highest levels with the first priority being confidentiality. This discussion being leaked to the public could cause all sorts of untold damage. If I'm a parent whose child is looking at BSC, the first thing I ask myself is whether it is worth going to a school that just about closed--especially with the 2026 demographic cliff coming.

I'm sure there's other nuance and speculation at play here. There's probably plenty I've missed, but wanted to join the discussion.

The school itself made it public late last year.   You can get the gist of things by looking back in the archives of this channel.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on April 06, 2023, 12:08:46 PM
11:08 now. This is like the scene from The Dark Knight where neither boat explodes because no one wants to pull the pin.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 06, 2023, 12:09:17 PM
BSC is staying open!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 06, 2023, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 06, 2023, 12:09:17 PM
BSC is staying open!!!

Source?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on April 06, 2023, 12:10:51 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 06, 2023, 12:09:17 PM
BSC is staying open!!!

LINK??!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 06, 2023, 12:11:35 PM
I was going to say -- how do we expect they will make an announcement? Refreshing various web pages and Twitter feeds.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on April 06, 2023, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 06, 2023, 12:11:35 PM
I was going to say -- how do we expect they will make an announcement? Refreshing various web pages and Twitter feeds.

I'm doing the same exact thing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 06, 2023, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 06, 2023, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 06, 2023, 12:09:17 PM
BSC is staying open!!!

Source?

Confirmation:  https://twitter.com/vbell_reports/status/1644010054159417344
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 06, 2023, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 06, 2023, 12:11:35 PM
I was going to say -- how do we expect they will make an announcement? Refreshing various web pages and Twitter feeds.

They're having a press conference.  The school twitter account is *very* inactive, unfortunately. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on April 06, 2023, 12:18:39 PM
If I'm BSC, I'm getting my twitter game going.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 06, 2023, 12:20:38 PM
More details:

https://twitter.com/greezbock/status/1644011874944425992

Amazingly, reported a six year high in applications.

Not so good, still only $46M committed of the $200M needed to replenish the endowment; they've been reporting that number for some time now. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 06, 2023, 12:21:49 PM
From the school:

April 6, 2023                                                                                                                                       

Birmingham-Southern College's Board of Trustees voted unanimously Wednesday evening to keep the College open.

"The Board of Trustees has made the informed and thoughtful decision to keep Birmingham-Southern open," said the Rev. Keith D. Thompson '83, chair of the Board. "We have been working closely with our allies in state and local government to secure bridge funding."

"Thanks to their leadership, the Board felt comfortable with moving forward, and has charged President Daniel Coleman with preparing for a public fundraising campaign to restore the College's endowment," Thompson said.

Much work lies ahead for the College, Coleman said. "We are already reaching out to our prospective students and will be hiring faculty and staff to ensure that we are delivering the full BSC experience this fall," he said. "We will also be gearing up for the public phase of the endowment campaign, which will ensure our long-term financial resilience."

Thompson said it is impossible to answer with certainty every question relating to the College's finances until the Alabama legislative session concludes.

"President Coleman and so many others have been working tirelessly to secure the resources needed to take BSC forward. We are especially grateful to the elected officials who have championed this cause because of its impact on Birmingham and Alabama. And we are also deeply grateful for the outpouring of support from our alumni, students, faculty, staff, parents, the business community, and friends who have written, called, emailed, and met with elected officials to help make the case for public support. That has sent a powerful signal about what BSC means to Alabama.

"We will continue to work with legislators through the end of the legislative session to ensure all are aware of the significant direct economic impact BSC provides each and every year, as well as the immense contributions made by our alumni to the civic, business, and political leadership of our state," Thompson said.

The decision comes as the College has experienced a six-year high in applications and has worked to address Alabama's workforce shortage through the addition of undergraduate and master's programs in data science. BSC is Alabama's only nationally ranked liberal arts college and has an annual direct economic impact of $97.2 million on the state, according to an independent study by Dr. Keivan Duravi released in February 2023.

BSC has secured nearly $46 million in pledges from private donors toward a goal of $200 million in endowment and has sought bridge funding from public sources to allow time to finish that campaign. A $200 million endowment will support 20 percent of BSC's annual operating budget, providing the stability needed for the long term.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on April 06, 2023, 12:26:39 PM
Not much new there other than the 6yr high in applications. It will be interesting to see how they convert applications to acceptances. Clearly there is some hope they will get some funding from some level of government. Definitely good news for the current students and I hope it works out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2023, 12:30:04 PM
"...BSC has secured nearly $46 million in pledges from private donors toward a goal of $200 million in endowment and has sought bridge funding from public sources to allow time to finish that campaign. A $200 million endowment will support 20 percent of BSC's annual operating budget, providing the stability needed for the long term."

Five percent return on $200M is $10M which is 20% of a $50M annual operating budget.
Having done fund raising for a capital campaign for a university long ago and far far away, $46M towards $200M is not much and the "low hanging fruit" has been picked.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 06, 2023, 12:39:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 06, 2023, 12:20:38 PM
More details:

https://twitter.com/greezbock/status/1644011874944425992

Amazingly, reported a six year high in applications.

Not so good, still only $46M committed of the $200M needed to replenish the endowment; they've been reporting that number for some time now.

Glad to see BSC doesn't have to close.

However, I wonder if BSC has it in them to make it to 2026 and beyond. The numbers suggest that things are only going to get worse in higher education. Having these kinds of discussions now does not look good going forward.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 06, 2023, 12:45:58 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2023, 12:30:04 PM
"...BSC has secured nearly $46 million in pledges from private donors toward a goal of $200 million in endowment and has sought bridge funding from public sources to allow time to finish that campaign. A $200 million endowment will support 20 percent of BSC's annual operating budget, providing the stability needed for the long term."

Five percent return on $200M is $10M which is 20% of a $50M annual operating budget.
Having done fund raising for a capital campaign for a university long ago and far far away, $46M towards $200M is not much and the "low hanging fruit" has been picked.

Yep.

First, I'm thrilled B-SC is not closing.  Congratulations to all stakeholders and students.

Second, they've been talking about $45M raised for quite some time; as Ralph stated, they got the easy money.  Now maybe the fact they aren't closing will help close another few big donations, and perhaps that was a condition for some donors, but given that the school said it wouldn't try to collect until they got all $200M, maybe not.

Third, for the last several months it's been "we need $30 million in bridge funding to keep the plane flying while we raise $200M in endowment commitments."  There's utterly no mention in the release that they got any bridge money from any source, so where is B-SC getting the operational funds needed for the next year?   Is the school right back in the same situations come next December?

Fourth, a "public phase of the endowment campaign" - seems like they've been pretty public about it already.  I would have used different wording.

As jknezek mentions, they almost certainly have to feel that some money will be coming from some government source.  Perhaps they received assurances from the Birmingham City Council that funding would be granted later this month if the school remained open, because the state's not doing diddly. 

Here's hoping my naturally pessimistic nature is totally off-base and that the school is successful in raising the funds needed to become healthy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 06, 2023, 01:51:01 PM
The state is no longer a "No" for funding.  There has been a big push to get some of those "no"s, to "maybe" to some "yes"s. I think there is some confidence that some funding will come from the state.  The city has said they would support BSC but tabled it until they figured out if the school would continue.  So hopefully that means BSC will get so,e thing from the city and county.  We will find out. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 06, 2023, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 06, 2023, 01:51:01 PM
The state is no longer a "No" for funding.  There has been a big push to get some of those "no"s, to "maybe" to some "yes"s. I think there is some confidence that some funding will come from the state.  The city has said they would support BSC but tabled it until they figured out if the school would continue.  So hopefully that means BSC will get so,e thing from the city and county.  We will find out.

The capital campaign of $200M sounds like a lofty goal, and relying on the public coffers (whether it be state, county, or municipal) does not sound like a long-term recipe for success. Even though BSC has survived for now, there is a scent floating around that has a hint of inevitability.

I hope for all the best for BSC, but wonder if the buzzards are starting to circle.

I would have to think other schools will seize on this near closure event in their direct conversations with prospective students--
"Where else are you considering besides our fine institution of higher learning?"
"Oh, Auburn, UAB, Samford, and BSC."
"You know BSC was having a heckuva time deciding if they were even going to stay open a few months back! It was all over the news!"

I think college recruiting is about to become one of the most cutthroat industries we've ever seen.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 06, 2023, 09:29:00 PM
State may provide a secured loan (and allow other colleges to take out similar loans) in lieu of outright funding:

https://www.al.com/news/2023/04/alabama-house-speaker-says-loan-possible-for-birmingham-southern.html
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2023, 01:20:13 AM
I pulled out a pro forma for a typical capital campaign for $100M recommended by a professional consultant. Here is how you would raise $100M

Number of donors        Gift             Cumulative Total
1                             $20M                  $20M
1                              $10M                 $30M
1                               $5M                   $35M
3                                $3M                  $44M
4                                $2M                  $52M

Find those 10 people and you are halfway.

15                               $1M                  $67M   
30                                $500K              $82M

There you have 80% of your goal in 55 people

40                               $200K               $90M
50                               $100K               $95M
75                                $50K                $98,750,000

The next 165 almost put you over the top.   

Double those gifts or double the donors at each level and you have $200M.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 07, 2023, 09:28:29 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 06, 2023, 09:29:00 PM
State may provide a secured loan (and allow other colleges to take out similar loans) in lieu of outright funding:

https://www.al.com/news/2023/04/alabama-house-speaker-says-loan-possible-for-birmingham-southern.html

A secured loan is not crazy from a political perspective. Legislators and the Governor can sell it to the BSC community as being heroes swooping in to "save the day" right now, and then if (when?) things go belly up, those same politicians can tell the taxpayers, "Our budget is fully solvent, ya'll, because we secured this loan so we will be made whole."

Though from BSC's perspective, giving the collateral for a loan is a very risky bet and the non-profit equivalent of a "Hail Mary" play. Perhaps its enough to get them through another 1-5 years--maybe. My guess is its probably a play to try and get them past the 2026 demographic cliff, hope there are many other schools that close prior to BSC's insolvency, and hope that BSC surviving those prior closures cause enough correction in the higher education market that enrollment starts going back up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 11, 2023, 11:52:07 AM
For a break from the budget and finance talk, BSC started spring practice this morning.  It will be interesting to see the changes on the field with our previous HC now at Austin and Colucci, our OC taking over as HC.  We have some other changes on the coaching staff as well as change in player personnel.  Of course we have the usual attrition and some that have transferred due to the uncertainty of BSC. 

Doesn't matter the changes, the goal is still the same, and week 3 will be a big one as we host Trinity. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: UMHB03 on April 11, 2023, 12:37:58 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 11, 2023, 11:52:07 AM
For a break from the budget and finance talk, BSC started spring practice this morning.  It will be interesting to see the changes on the field with our previous HC now at Austin and Colucci, our OC taking over as HC.  We have some other changes on the coaching staff as well as change in player personnel.  Of course we have the usual attrition and some that have transferred due to the uncertainty of BSC. 

Doesn't matter the changes, the goal is still the same, and week 3 will be a big one as we host Trinity.
Has BSC released their schedule yet?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on April 11, 2023, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: UMHB03 on April 11, 2023, 12:37:58 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on April 11, 2023, 11:52:07 AM
For a break from the budget and finance talk, BSC started spring practice this morning.  It will be interesting to see the changes on the field with our previous HC now at Austin and Colucci, our OC taking over as HC.  We have some other changes on the coaching staff as well as change in player personnel.  Of course we have the usual attrition and some that have transferred due to the uncertainty of BSC. 

Doesn't matter the changes, the goal is still the same, and week 3 will be a big one as we host Trinity.
Has BSC released their schedule yet?

Yes

McMurry@Little Rock. TBA 8/31-9/2

Sep 9  @Huntingdon  6:00
Sep 16  Trinity. Time TBA
Sep 23  @Southwestern  1:00
Sep 30  Millsaps  4:00
Oct 7   @Sewanee   6:00
Oct 14  Hendrix  2:00
Oct 28  @Rhodes   1:00
Nov 4  Berry  6:00
Nov 12  @Centre  12:00

All times central

Also, we had 6 home games last year, 4 home games this season.  Just means we need to host a playoff game to get back to 5 this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 18, 2023, 10:47:53 PM
Had some Delta frequent flyer miles to burn ... not so many any more as I booked a flight to MSP to take in the amazing scene in Collegeville the first Saturday in September.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 19, 2023, 10:05:50 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 18, 2023, 10:47:53 PM
Had some Delta frequent flyer miles to burn ... not so many any more as I booked a flight to MSP to take in the amazing scene in Collegeville the first Saturday in September.

That's about as good of a use of frequent flyer miles as any in my opinion! Collegeville is a wonderful place to see a game. Of course, I'm biased because I'm a Johnnie. The Labor Day weekend game can be a hot one, so I'm sure there will be plenty of Hamm's flowing. There are a bunch of guys from the boards that tailgate before the games. I won't be there, but if you migrate over to the MIAC board and let them know, there will be plenty of hospitality headed your way.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 20, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
Courtesy of D3Playbook (https://www.d3playbook.com/), Inside Higher Ed's take on the BSC situation (https://www.insidehighered.com/news/business/financial-health/2023/04/19/path-forward-birmingham-southern?utm_source=steves-newsletter-f446e7.beehiiv.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=admissions-turnover-hurts-colleges).  Nothing really new here; focuses on the still-undefined loan from the state as a bridge required to continue operations in the short term. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on April 21, 2023, 12:59:31 PM
How about a 2 year $50 million interest free loan from the state  ;D I've read  BSC endowment is around $25 million now and debt is around $35 million, not really sure.  A $50 million interest free  2 year loan loan from the state would eliminate all of BSC debt and give them $15 million excess to operate for the next 2 years. Set a 2 year $100 million fundraising goal of which $47 million is already pledged. If that goal can be achieved, pay the state back $50 million and put $50 million in the endowment in 2 years. The only other issue is how much deferred maintenance the school needs to pony up in the next 2 years. I guess they would have some cushion with all their debt paid off with the state loan. Obviously, if BSC can't raise the money the state would get the property in 2 years. Yet, the biggest issue with BSC is getting enrollment to at least 1200, preferably 1500 quick.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on April 21, 2023, 04:36:42 PM
Quote from: cush on April 21, 2023, 12:59:31 PM
How about a 2 year $50 million interest free loan from the state  ;D I've read  BSC endowment is around $25 million now and debt is around $35 million, not really sure.  A $50 million interest free  2 year loan loan from the state would eliminate all of BSC debt and give them $15 million excess to operate for the next 2 years. Set a 2 year $100 million fundraising goal of which $47 million is already pledged. If that goal can be achieved, pay the state back $50 million and put $50 million in the endowment in 2 years. The only other issue is how much deferred maintenance the school needs to pony up in the next 2 years. I guess they would have some cushion with all their debt paid off with the state loan. Obviously, if BSC can't raise the money the state would get the property in 2 years. Yet, the biggest issue with BSC is getting enrollment to at least 1200, preferably 1500 quick.

Deferred maintenance is not the only issue. I suspect operating expenses outstrip revenue and I doubt a 2yr loan is going to be possible to pay back. They need that money to pay current expenses to keep the doors open, which means it's not going to be there to pay back in 2yrs. People are not going to donate to pay back the loan. You keep thinking people donate to cover these kids of expenses. They don't. They donate for the long-term. Especially the large dollar donors that B-SC needs to hit 100MM-200MM. 50MM for 10 or 30 years, even with a small interest rate, may make it possible. But not for 2 years. They need that 2yr money from the state as a grant to make it work as bridge funding, not as something they need to pay back.

Honestly, if they get 50MM for 2yrs, the only way they pay that back is to get someone to donate 50MM and have the campus named after them. Or maybe the whole dang school since that person is essentially saving it.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2023, 12:35:11 AM
Quote from: jknezek on April 21, 2023, 04:36:42 PM

Deferred maintenance is not the only issue. I suspect operating expenses outstrip revenue and I doubt a 2yr loan is going to be possible to pay back. They need that money to pay current expenses to keep the doors open, which means it's not going to be there to pay back in 2yrs. People are not going to donate to pay back the loan. You keep thinking people donate to cover these kids of expenses. They don't. They donate for the long-term. Especially the large dollar donors that B-SC needs to hit 100MM-200MM. 50MM for 10 or 30 years, even with a small interest rate, may make it possible. But not for 2 years. They need that 2yr money from the state as a grant to make it work as bridge funding, not as something they need to pay back.

Honestly, if they get 50MM for 2yrs, the only way they pay that back is to get someone to donate 50MM and have the campus named after them. Or maybe the whole dang school since that person is essentially saving it.
+1!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 23, 2023, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: jknezek on April 21, 2023, 04:36:42 PM
Quote from: cush on April 21, 2023, 12:59:31 PM
How about a 2 year $50 million interest free loan from the state  ;D I've read  BSC endowment is around $25 million now and debt is around $35 million, not really sure.  A $50 million interest free  2 year loan loan from the state would eliminate all of BSC debt and give them $15 million excess to operate for the next 2 years. Set a 2 year $100 million fundraising goal of which $47 million is already pledged. If that goal can be achieved, pay the state back $50 million and put $50 million in the endowment in 2 years. The only other issue is how much deferred maintenance the school needs to pony up in the next 2 years. I guess they would have some cushion with all their debt paid off with the state loan. Obviously, if BSC can't raise the money the state would get the property in 2 years. Yet, the biggest issue with BSC is getting enrollment to at least 1200, preferably 1500 quick.

Deferred maintenance is not the only issue. I suspect operating expenses outstrip revenue and I doubt a 2yr loan is going to be possible to pay back. They need that money to pay current expenses to keep the doors open, which means it's not going to be there to pay back in 2yrs. People are not going to donate to pay back the loan. You keep thinking people donate to cover these kids of expenses. They don't. They donate for the long-term. Especially the large dollar donors that B-SC needs to hit 100MM-200MM. 50MM for 10 or 30 years, even with a small interest rate, may make it possible. But not for 2 years. They need that 2yr money from the state as a grant to make it work as bridge funding, not as something they need to pay back.

Honestly, if they get 50MM for 2yrs, the only way they pay that back is to get someone to donate 50MM and have the campus named after them. Or maybe the whole dang school since that person is essentially saving it.

I would have to imagine that the taxpayer funds would have to be approved sooner rather than later. Is there any movement on it? I know there are expressions of optimism, but that could be PR talk. The State Legislature has been in session for over a month now, and the session closes in mid-June.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2023, 10:36:37 PM
Millsaps College head football coach Isaac Carter resigns (https://gomajors.com/news/2023/4/25/isaac-carter-resigns-york-named-millsaps-interim-head-football-coach.aspx) to accept the defensive coordinator role at the University of San Diego. Assistant head football and offensive line coach Cory York has been named interim head coach of the Millsaps program.

I don't understand how you can do such a mediocre job (6-18 in last three seasons) in D3 and end up with a better paying position in D1.  I don't blame him for taking advantage of the chance, especially given the enrollment challenges the school faces (which certainly hinder having a successful program).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on April 26, 2023, 10:09:58 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2023, 10:36:37 PM
Millsaps College head football coach Isaac Carter resigns (https://gomajors.com/news/2023/4/25/isaac-carter-resigns-york-named-millsaps-interim-head-football-coach.aspx) to accept the defensive coordinator role at the University of San Diego. Assistant head football and offensive line coach Cory York has been named interim head coach of the Millsaps program.

I don't understand how you can do such a mediocre job (6-18 in last three seasons) in D3 and end up with a better paying position in D1.  I don't blame him for taking advantage of the chance, especially given the enrollment challenges the school faces (which certainly hinder having a successful program).

Who you know is more important than what you did. Carter came from a CC in California. Probably had connections with the USD staff. I'm too lazy to look it up, but it wouldn't surprise me. Plus being a head coach, vs being a coordinator, are two very different jobs. You can be really, really good at one, and less good at the other. How often do we see that happen in both college and pro ball?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 10:40:08 AM
I was scrolling through Twitter and saw an interesting domestic migration map come up. I was thinking about this in the context of BSC's recent issues. It totally makes sense why they would do everything they can to stay open with the increasing population of the deep south. They've got a much better chance of surviving than a school in a similar situation in, say, New York, which is bleeding population like crazy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtMpPQUXgAY5Wew?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 10:47:37 AM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 10:40:08 AM
I was scrolling through Twitter and saw an interesting domestic migration map come up. I was thinking about this in the context of BSC's recent issues. It totally makes sense why they would do everything they can to stay open with the increasing population of the deep south. They've got a much better chance of surviving than a school in a similar situation in, say, New York, which is bleeding population like crazy.

Here's another map showing basically the same thing, but at the state level rather than the county level.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fub4F8MXoAAn6aO?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 10:47:37 AM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 10:40:08 AM
I was scrolling through Twitter and saw an interesting domestic migration map come up. I was thinking about this in the context of BSC's recent issues. It totally makes sense why they would do everything they can to stay open with the increasing population of the deep south. They've got a much better chance of surviving than a school in a similar situation in, say, New York, which is bleeding population like crazy.

Here's another map showing basically the same thing, but at the state level rather than the county level.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fub4F8MXoAAn6aO?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Final thought: these maps would scare the daylights out of me if I were a member of the Centennial, Commonwealth Coast, Empire 8, ECFC, Liberty League, Middle Atlantic, NCAC, NESCAC, SCIAC, NEWMAC, NJAC, and PAC. The demographic cliff plus high outbound migration could be a death sentence to many of the schools in these leagues, and may result in the death of one or more of these leagues.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on April 26, 2023, 01:01:45 PM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 10:47:37 AM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 10:40:08 AM
I was scrolling through Twitter and saw an interesting domestic migration map come up. I was thinking about this in the context of BSC's recent issues. It totally makes sense why they would do everything they can to stay open with the increasing population of the deep south. They've got a much better chance of surviving than a school in a similar situation in, say, New York, which is bleeding population like crazy.

Here's another map showing basically the same thing, but at the state level rather than the county level.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fub4F8MXoAAn6aO?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Final thought: these maps would scare the daylights out of me if I were a member of the Centennial, Commonwealth Coast, Empire 8, ECFC, Liberty League, Middle Atlantic, NCAC, NESCAC, SCIAC, NEWMAC, NJAC, and PAC. The demographic cliff plus high outbound migration could be a death sentence to many of the schools in these leagues, and may result in the death of one or more of these leagues.

Sadly there is another mixture to that and that is enrollment cliff that is coming. That will also be kinder to the South but even in that area there will be states that are hit hard with a much smaller pool of college aged students.

https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/looming-enrollment-cliff-poses-serious-threat-to-colleges/#:~:text=What%20Is%20the%20Enrollment%20Cliff,when%20most%20kids%20start%20college.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 26, 2023, 01:01:45 PM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 10:47:37 AM
Quote from: SagatagSam on April 26, 2023, 10:40:08 AM
I was scrolling through Twitter and saw an interesting domestic migration map come up. I was thinking about this in the context of BSC's recent issues. It totally makes sense why they would do everything they can to stay open with the increasing population of the deep south. They've got a much better chance of surviving than a school in a similar situation in, say, New York, which is bleeding population like crazy.

Here's another map showing basically the same thing, but at the state level rather than the county level.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fub4F8MXoAAn6aO?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Final thought: these maps would scare the daylights out of me if I were a member of the Centennial, Commonwealth Coast, Empire 8, ECFC, Liberty League, Middle Atlantic, NCAC, NESCAC, SCIAC, NEWMAC, NJAC, and PAC. The demographic cliff plus high outbound migration could be a death sentence to many of the schools in these leagues, and may result in the death of one or more of these leagues.

Sadly there is another mixture to that and that is enrollment cliff that is coming. That will also be kinder to the South but even in that area there will be states that are hit hard with a much smaller pool of college aged students.

https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/looming-enrollment-cliff-poses-serious-threat-to-colleges/#:~:text=What%20Is%20the%20Enrollment%20Cliff,when%20most%20kids%20start%20college.

Yep! That's what I was trying to refer to when I said "demographic cliff"--where there are fewer students that could possibly enroll as the birthrate dropped precipitously after 2008-09.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 02, 2023, 08:42:41 AM
Trinity announced its incoming class on Twitter (https://twitter.com/TUFootballTX/status/1653216037804933120) and Instagram yesterday - if I counted correctly, 38 young men will be joining the program.  That's in-line with classes which have been 30-35 in the Urban era.  Unlike previous years, the positions of the incoming class aren't shown on the individual announcements (https://twitter.com/TUFootballTX) so unless I do some googlesluthing that's going to be all I know until we see them on a roster in the fall.

CORRECTION:  The positions are there, they're just teeny-tiny, and I guess I was off by one in my count:

DB: 6
DL: 4
LB: 7

OL: 5
QB: 2
RB: 2
TE: 3
WR: 8
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on May 02, 2023, 09:13:30 AM
Last I heard about BSC we only have about 20 signees for our incoming freshman class.  Of course that is on the heals of all the financial worry, so 20 might be considered a success considering all of that.  The last couple years we had quit large classes, so we could see a dip in performance in a couple seasons, but hopefully not this coming season. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on May 02, 2023, 10:08:14 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on May 02, 2023, 09:13:30 AM
Last I heard about BSC we only have about 20 signees for our incoming freshman class.  Of course that is on the heals of all the financial worry, so 20 might be considered a success considering all of that.  The last couple years we had quit large classes, so we could see a dip in performance in a couple seasons, but hopefully not this coming season.

I would imagine most of those signees made their decision prior to the heavy discussions of potential closure, right? I'm newer to this BSC conversation than basically all of you, so I don't know when those discussions began or became widely publicized. Waiting on next year's numbers could have the folks on this board on pins and needles.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on May 02, 2023, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: SagatagSam on May 02, 2023, 10:08:14 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on May 02, 2023, 09:13:30 AM
Last I heard about BSC we only have about 20 signees for our incoming freshman class.  Of course that is on the heals of all the financial worry, so 20 might be considered a success considering all of that.  The last couple years we had quit large classes, so we could see a dip in performance in a couple seasons, but hopefully not this coming season.

I would imagine most of those signees made their decision prior to the heavy discussions of potential closure, right? I'm newer to this BSC conversation than basically all of you, so I don't know when those discussions began or became widely publicized. Waiting on next year's numbers could have the folks on this board on pins and needles.

News came out in December that the school might not continue after the spring and wasn't confirmed until mid-April that BSC was indeed continuing.  We had a few commits before April and 5-6 announced the day after the school confirmed.  The coaches are out now recruiting heavy trying to fill out the class. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on May 03, 2023, 12:00:26 PM
Off subject, BSC run ruled UAB in baseball in 7 innings last night at Rickwood Field.  Good to get a win against a fan base that seemed to be cheering on the demise of BSC last month.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 03, 2023, 03:04:20 PM
Another off subject--that BSC/Berry SAA softball tournament final figures to be very interesting. I hear one of your 1st year pitchers has been hurling virtually lights out, giving your veteran starter and squad great support. (Both top pitchers with ERA less than 2.00 and a combined record of 27-5 overall.)

Question is, will they be able to slow down Berry's high-powered offense enough to advance?
This figures to be the time to do it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on May 03, 2023, 04:58:14 PM
An Alabama senate bill for the college loan program was approved by committee yesterday and will head to the floor for a vote.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/05/birmingham-southern-loan-bill-moves-forward-in-alabama-legislature.html
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on May 04, 2023, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on May 03, 2023, 04:58:14 PM
An Alabama senate bill for the college loan program was approved by committee yesterday and will head to the floor for a vote.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/05/birmingham-southern-loan-bill-moves-forward-in-alabama-legislature.html

That's good for BSC and all the other private schools in this state.  Now it may turn out to be a "loan shark" type deal, but it at least gives them all a chance to fix a problem.  I have a feeling the future for BSC is bright, they will be adding masters programs next year. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 04, 2023, 11:29:59 AM
https://twitter.com/greezbock/status/1654145176015626240

QuoteRebecca Griesbach
@greezbock

SB278 just passed unanimously in the full Senate.

A House bill dropped yesterday and will have to go through committee/a full House before the legislation is able to be signed into law.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 23, 2023, 08:52:37 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 04, 2023, 11:29:59 AM
https://twitter.com/greezbock/status/1654145176015626240

QuoteRebecca Griesbach
@greezbock

SB278 just passed unanimously in the full Senate.

A House bill dropped yesterday and will have to go through committee/a full House before the legislation is able to be signed into law.

Checking Legiscan (https://legiscan.com/gaits/search?state=AL&keyword=loan) to see where these bills (SB278 (https://legiscan.com/AL/text/SB278/id/2798182/Alabama-2023-SB278-Introduced.pdf) and the companion in the House, HB431) stand:  a hearing is scheduled tomorrow (May 24th) before the House Ways and Means committee.  I believe that the committee must approve the bill before it will be sent back to the House for final approval (three readings seem to be necessary). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 25, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 23, 2023, 08:52:37 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 04, 2023, 11:29:59 AM
https://twitter.com/greezbock/status/1654145176015626240

QuoteRebecca Griesbach
@greezbock

SB278 just passed unanimously in the full Senate.

A House bill dropped yesterday and will have to go through committee/a full House before the legislation is able to be signed into law.

Checking Legiscan (https://legiscan.com/gaits/search?state=AL&keyword=loan) to see where these bills (SB278 (https://legiscan.com/AL/text/SB278/id/2798182/Alabama-2023-SB278-Introduced.pdf) and the companion in the House, HB431) stand:  a hearing is scheduled tomorrow (May 24th) before the House Ways and Means committee.  I believe that the committee must approve the bill before it will be sent back to the House for final approval (three readings seem to be necessary).


The House has signed off by a 66-27 count (https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/05/alabama-lawmakers-approve-loan-bill-for-birmingham-southern-other-colleges.html) but the Senate must concur on two (surprisingly common-sense) amendments made in the House.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: SagatagSam on May 26, 2023, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 25, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 23, 2023, 08:52:37 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 04, 2023, 11:29:59 AM
https://twitter.com/greezbock/status/1654145176015626240

QuoteRebecca Griesbach
@greezbock

SB278 just passed unanimously in the full Senate.

A House bill dropped yesterday and will have to go through committee/a full House before the legislation is able to be signed into law.

Checking Legiscan (https://legiscan.com/gaits/search?state=AL&keyword=loan) to see where these bills (SB278 (https://legiscan.com/AL/text/SB278/id/2798182/Alabama-2023-SB278-Introduced.pdf) and the companion in the House, HB431) stand:  a hearing is scheduled tomorrow (May 24th) before the House Ways and Means committee.  I believe that the committee must approve the bill before it will be sent back to the House for final approval (three readings seem to be necessary).


The House has signed off by a 66-27 count (https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/05/alabama-lawmakers-approve-loan-bill-for-birmingham-southern-other-colleges.html) but the Senate must concur on two (surprisingly common-sense) amendments made in the House.

Here's the precedent that everyone will be latching onto when other schools start to go under. Every nervous college president and general counsel is printing off this legislation, ready to present it to their local representatives in the event things get dicey--which we all know for some that "dicey" moment is already here or coming very soon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 02, 2023, 12:39:29 PM
The SAA announced Stacey LaDew will succeed Jay Gardiner.  She comes to the conference from the HCAC, where she is Associate Commissioner and Senior Woman Administrator, and chaired the HCAC Championships committee where she helped oversee championships and playoffs.

https://twitter.com/SAA_Sports/status/1664602765891338240
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 14, 2023, 07:50:02 AM
Latest on the BSC loan situation:
Source:  Alabama Political Reporter (https://www.alreporter.com/2023/06/12/birmingham-southern-awaits-bailout/) (Samuel Stettheimer (https://www.alreporter.com/author/s-stettheimer/))
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on June 15, 2023, 03:51:54 PM
Any idea on how many students BSC is projected for fall enrollment? Seems like the governor was very hostile to any aid for BSC but the legislature found a pathway with a loan. Going forward, BSC will probably need to fundraise $30 million + per year and have an enrollment of 1,200 + students to survive. I'll assume the state loan will buy them around 5 years of breathing room to get those numbers, maybe not even that long.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 15, 2023, 04:14:33 PM
Obviously the more students the better, but BSC has reported in the past that they could continue with as little as 700 students. All we can hope at this point is that the fundraising takes a huge leap over the next 6 months and the enrollment for the 24/25 year is well above average.  Starting a few masters programs should help with those enrollment numbers as well.  Time will tell if BSC was just given a short reprieve or if it's the beginning of the next great chapter.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 15, 2023, 06:11:33 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on June 15, 2023, 04:14:33 PM
Obviously the more students the better, but BSC has reported in the past that they could continue with as little as 700 students. All we can hope at this point is that the fundraising takes a huge leap over the next 6 months and the enrollment for the 24/25 year is well above average.  Starting a few masters programs should help with those enrollment numbers as well.  Time will tell if BSC was just given a short reprieve or if it's the beginning of the next great chapter.
Respectfully, I am suspicious of any reports from BSC about enrollments and endowments. I suspect that the governor knows what is really happening in B'ham and the obstacles that BSC faces. She also wants the details of the loan and the collateral that is there not to be a campaign albatross when she comes up for re-election. I doubt that BSC gets a "sweetheart" deal from the governor.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2023, 06:59:50 PM
One more concern to throw on the pile: according to this summary of the Alabama legislative process (https://alison.legislature.state.al.us/legislative-process) (provided by the state) the Governor has ten days from final approval, if legislative approval was granted with less than five days remaining in the session, to approve a bill or it is considered a pocket veto.  The legislature adjourned sine die on the 6th.  Tomorrow (Friday) would be the tenth day since the bill's approval. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2023, 07:03:46 PM
Confirmed by this AL.com story (https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/06/birmingham-southern-loan-bill-still-awaiting-gov-kay-iveys-signature.html).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on June 15, 2023, 07:27:32 PM
Is the moral of the story that if Alabama's legislature were run by democrats that Birmingham southern's future would be brighter?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2023, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: The Third Division on June 15, 2023, 07:27:32 PM
Is the moral of the story that if Alabama's legislature were run by democrats that Birmingham southern's future would be brighter?

The Republican-controlled Legislature did its job and agreed when the governor demanded last-second changes.

It's on one person now.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 16, 2023, 04:25:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2023, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: The Third Division on June 15, 2023, 07:27:32 PM
Is the moral of the story that if Alabama's legislature were run by democrats that Birmingham southern's future would be brighter?

The Republican-controlled Legislature did its job and agreed when the governor demanded last-second changes.

It's on one person now.

And according to AL.com the one person did her job at last.

https://www.al.com/news/2023/06/birmingham-southern-bill-signed-college-to-stay-open-apply-for-30-million.html
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 16, 2023, 04:49:00 PM
We find ourselves heading towards a new academic year and start of a new season and I'm looking forward to getting back into football.

On the Mountain, we're looking forward to having a new coach bringing an attitude towards the game into the program that I've not seen for a long time on the Mountain.  Coach McCollum has brought in a group of young coaches onto his staff who had been either assistant coaches or graduate assistants at FBS and FCS schools around the region.    And those folk have been out recruiting over the past few months.     Most enthusiasm I've seen around the program in years.

So... what are y'all looking forward to seeing from your favorite teams in the Fall?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 17, 2023, 09:15:51 AM
I'm interested in seeing if Southwestern regains the competitiveness it had developed before it headed to the Wild Wild West of the ASC.  They were competitive (mostly) the first couple of years after the transition but in recent years could only beat the back markers like Austin and McMurry.  I'd expect them to be a low- to mid-pack SAA team this year.

For Trinity I'm hoping they survive the first three weeks of the season.  Starting with St John's (there) and UMHB will certainly prepare them for the opening week of conference play at Birmingham-Southern as long as they stay healthy.  Also interested to see which of last year's seniors return for their COVID year.  I'm pretty sure QB Tucker Horn is back.

For B-SC it will be interesting to see how the team's approach changes (if at all) under Coach Colucci.  Since he was promoted from OC I would expect them to continue to be a team with a dominant run focus and the ever-dangerous Jon Lewis should be back to lead the rushing attack.  And they certainly have their eyes set on finally beating Trinity after coming so close the last two seasons. 

And they're not in the SAA, but I'll be keeping an eye on Austin to see if former BSC coach Tony Joe White can turn the fortunes around of a program that has been struggling since seemingly forever (last season over .500:  2000, and only barely, 6-4).   He has totally revamped the coaching staff there.   Had B-SC not been able to continue AC was my next thought of a school the SAA might invite, with an academic profile broadly similar to Southwestern. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on June 17, 2023, 02:03:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 17, 2023, 09:15:51 AM


For B-SC it will be interesting to see how the team's approach changes (if at all) under Coach Colucci.  Since he was promoted from OC I would expect them to continue to be a team with a dominant run focus and the ever-dangerous Jon Lewis should be back to lead the rushing attack.  And they certainly have their eyes set on finally beating Trinity after coming so close the last two seasons. 
This just reminded me of a tweet I ran across back during the winter. I don't know if Lewis will be back for BSC.

https://athletics.uindy.edu/roster.aspx?rp_id=13047
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 17, 2023, 06:54:58 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on June 17, 2023, 02:03:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 17, 2023, 09:15:51 AM


For B-SC it will be interesting to see how the team's approach changes (if at all) under Coach Colucci.  Since he was promoted from OC I would expect them to continue to be a team with a dominant run focus and the ever-dangerous Jon Lewis should be back to lead the rushing attack.  And they certainly have their eyes set on finally beating Trinity after coming so close the last two seasons. 
This just reminded me of a tweet I ran across back during the winter. I don't know if Lewis will be back for BSC.

https://athletics.uindy.edu/roster.aspx?rp_id=13047

Big loss for the Panthers, that said, they seem to always have talented RBs in the pipeline so we'll see who will take on that mantle.  Thanks and +1! 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 19, 2023, 02:09:26 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on June 16, 2023, 04:49:00 PM
We find ourselves heading towards a new academic year and start of a new season and I'm looking forward to getting back into football.

On the Mountain, we're looking forward to having a new coach bringing an attitude towards the game into the program that I've not seen for a long time on the Mountain.  Coach McCollum has brought in a group of young coaches onto his staff who had been either assistant coaches or graduate assistants at FBS and FCS schools around the region.    And those folk have been out recruiting over the past few months.     Most enthusiasm I've seen around the program in years.


That's obviously his background and I can see why he is surrounding himself with other people with similar backgrounds, but generally (highly generalizing here) people without D-III backgrounds don't stick around as long or have as much success. There's a learning curve at D-III and probably even more so as a high academic such as Sewanee.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on June 19, 2023, 08:13:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 19, 2023, 02:09:26 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on June 16, 2023, 04:49:00 PM
We find ourselves heading towards a new academic year and start of a new season and I'm looking forward to getting back into football.

On the Mountain, we're looking forward to having a new coach bringing an attitude towards the game into the program that I've not seen for a long time on the Mountain.  Coach McCollum has brought in a group of young coaches onto his staff who had been either assistant coaches or graduate assistants at FBS and FCS schools around the region.    And those folk have been out recruiting over the past few months.     Most enthusiasm I've seen around the program in years.


That's obviously his background and I can see why he is surrounding himself with other people with similar backgrounds, but generally (highly generalizing here) people without D-III backgrounds don't stick around as long or have as much success. There's a learning curve at D-III and probably even more so as a high academic such as Sewanee.

How well Coach McCollum and his staff adapt to the difference between the divisions is one of things we will be watching during the season.  Coach and his lead assistants were guests late in the school year on the podcast our SID does each week and this topic came up during the Q&A with the audience.   My take from that discussion is that Coach McCollum gets it and is looking forward to working with kids wanting to play the game vs. the entitlement culture that has become the hallmark of FBS football over the years.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 23, 2023, 09:28:24 AM
Another BSC update courtesy of AL.com, "Birmingham-Southern College president tells United Methodists: 'It's been a tough year (https://www.al.com/news/2023/06/birmingham-southern-college-president-tells-united-methodists-its-been-a-tough-year.html)'".  Highlights:
I don't understand why they're still not in the public phase of fundraising, but I do know from experience that many schools try to get a big lump of initial pledges/donations before they go public to seek the rest.  The difference here is that, let's face it, anyone who follows the school already knows the situation is dire and that funds are badly needed, which (again, in my experience) is not often the case.  It may be that they want to be sure the $40M for continuing operations are in hand first. 

FWIW:  there were 137 on the B-SC football roster last season.  If the same percentage of student body participates as last year, that number would be reduced to around 100. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 23, 2023, 09:55:56 AM
You always have attrition from the freshman class moving up to sophomores, this year will be no different.  I know we had some production transfer out once the news came out about the school possibly not continuing, and we had an injury on the OL that will surely hurt our depth there.  But we have had some DII and NAIA players come in from the transfer portal as well.  Of course it all comes down to who shows up in August.  Recruiting was almost impossible until the news came out, but since then the coaches have been working hard. 

The current players are excited about the potential for this coming season, and hopefully the school makes a dramatic change soon concerning all of financial and enrollment worries. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 28, 2023, 08:33:28 AM
Local station WVTM broadcast an interview (https://www.wvtm13.com/article/birmingham-southern-football-look-for-new-beginning-with-a-new-leader-at-the-helm/44348616#) with B-SC's new HC, Anthony Colucci.   Not a whole lot there, to be honest.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on June 28, 2023, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 28, 2023, 08:33:28 AM
Local station WVTM broadcast an interview (https://www.wvtm13.com/article/birmingham-southern-football-look-for-new-beginning-with-a-new-leader-at-the-helm/44348616#) with B-SC's new HC, Anthony Colucci.   Not a whole lot there, to be honest.

As a football program in Birmingham, AL, we are just happy to get any media recognition.  Not that it changes support much.  We do fill our little stadium every Saturday, outside all of the financial mess, I'd love to see it expanded. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on July 04, 2023, 01:33:00 PM
Feeling pretty good about the direction of Hendrix these days, given all the uncertainty surrounding small liberal arts colleges lately. Hendrix recently completed a $150 million fundraising campaign (https://talkbusiness.net/2022/11/hendrix-college-surpasses-150-million-fundraising-goal/) a year ahead of schedule (after surpassing an original goal ahead of schedule the year before). Add that to the largest incoming class in 7 years (https://www.hendrix.edu/new-student-enrollment-increases-13-percent-2022/) after 3 straight years of growth and I feel like I can breathe a little easier. The newly announced (https://www.hendrix.edu/petersen-named-13th-president/) incoming president comes from MTSU and Tulsa and is the parent of student-athlete at a liberal arts college, so I think this new era will continue that healthy respect for athletics, too (I hope).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on July 04, 2023, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 17, 2023, 09:15:51 AM
I'm interested in seeing if Southwestern regains the competitiveness it had developed before it headed to the Wild Wild West of the ASC...

Have any renderings been released for the new on-campus stadium complex in Georgetown?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 04, 2023, 02:01:10 PM
I live in Georgetown and I haven't seen any.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 21, 2023, 12:26:30 PM
If early returns are any indication, B-SC has not lost many of last year's players to concerns over the future of the school.  They have been gradually adding to the 2023 roster in numerical order the last couple of days and are up to jersey 44 - 47 players so far (lots of duplicate numbers until you get above 20) and that's with only returnees - no first years yet. 

https://bscsports.net/sports/football/roster?view=2
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 21, 2023, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 21, 2023, 12:26:30 PM
If early returns are any indication, B-SC has not lost many of last year's players to concerns over the future of the school.  They have been gradually adding to the 2023 roster in numerical order the last couple of days and are up to jersey 44 - 47 players so far (lots of duplicate numbers until you get above 20) and that's with only returnees - no first years yet. 

https://bscsports.net/sports/football/roster?view=2

We know we lost a few, but we do have a lot returning as well as transfers coming in.  Expectations are as high as usual on the Hill Top!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 21, 2023, 11:39:49 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 21, 2023, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 21, 2023, 12:26:30 PM
If early returns are any indication, B-SC has not lost many of last year's players to concerns over the future of the school.  They have been gradually adding to the 2023 roster in numerical order the last couple of days and are up to jersey 44 - 47 players so far (lots of duplicate numbers until you get above 20) and that's with only returnees - no first years yet. 

https://bscsports.net/sports/football/roster?view=2

We know we lost a few, but we do have a lot returning as well as transfers coming in.  Expectations are as high as usual on the Hill Top!!!

What appears to be a full roster with the incoming class is now live (at least there are numbers from 0-99) and the total roster as of today numbers 106:
- 32 Fr, 30 Soph, 21 Jr, 23 Sr
- 22 DB, 19 DL, 3 K, 13 LB, 15 OL, 6 QB, 6 RB, 4 TE, 18 WR

Last year's roster:  55 Fr, 28 Soph, 25 Jr, 24 Sr, 4 5th yr (136 total) so losses came primarily from last year's freshman class - not that unusual - and possibly some combination of last year's juniors and those seniors who opted not to return for a fifth season
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: FLALTX on July 25, 2023, 11:19:28 AM
That's good to hear. Birmingham Southern being good is good for the SAA as a whole. I do have to wonder about their running back depth. John Lewis is going to be hard to replace.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 25, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: FLALTX on July 25, 2023, 11:19:28 AM
That's good to hear. Birmingham Southern being good is good for the SAA as a whole. I do have to wonder about their running back depth. John Lewis is going to be hard to replace.

Nearly all of our RB production transferred out with Lewis and Grayson Stacey leaving.  However, we do have a couple RB's transferring in that should be able to fill those spots.  Replacing Jon Lewis is nearly impossible, but we should be fine.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 25, 2023, 12:34:21 PM
Quote from: FLALTX on July 25, 2023, 11:19:28 AM
That's good to hear. Birmingham Southern being good is good for the SAA as a whole. I do have to wonder about their running back depth. John Lewis is going to be hard to replace.

Welcome FLALTX  (Just contemplating ... FLorida ALabama TeXas?)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 25, 2023, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 25, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: FLALTX on July 25, 2023, 11:19:28 AM
That's good to hear. Birmingham Southern being good is good for the SAA as a whole. I do have to wonder about their running back depth. John Lewis is going to be hard to replace.

Nearly all of our RB production transferred out with Lewis and Grayson Stacey leaving.  However, we do have a couple RB's transferring in that should be able to fill those spots.  Replacing Jon Lewis is nearly impossible, but we should be fine.

LOL remember when a guy named Robert Shufford left and everyone wondered how B-SC would replace him?  Never seems to be a problem for the Panthers, aka RBU of the SAA!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 25, 2023, 02:04:59 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 25, 2023, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 25, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: FLALTX on July 25, 2023, 11:19:28 AM
That's good to hear. Birmingham Southern being good is good for the SAA as a whole. I do have to wonder about their running back depth. John Lewis is going to be hard to replace.

Nearly all of our RB production transferred out with Lewis and Grayson Stacey leaving.  However, we do have a couple RB's transferring in that should be able to fill those spots.  Replacing Jon Lewis is nearly impossible, but we should be fine.

LOL remember when a guy named Robert Shufford left and everyone wondered how B-SC would replace him?  Never seems to be a problem for the Panthers, aka RBU of the SAA!

We don't rebuild, we reload.   :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: FLALTX on July 25, 2023, 03:42:13 PM
Yes, obviously. Could throw TN in there as well but it was only a year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on July 25, 2023, 09:59:13 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 25, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: FLALTX on July 25, 2023, 11:19:28 AM
That's good to hear. Birmingham Southern being good is good for the SAA as a whole. I do have to wonder about their running back depth. John Lewis is going to be hard to replace.

Nearly all of our RB production transferred out with Lewis and Grayson Stacey leaving.  However, we do have a couple RB's transferring in that should be able to fill those spots.  Replacing Jon Lewis is nearly impossible, but we should be fine.

With Stacey following TJW to Austin College, for those who were not aware.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 25, 2023, 11:01:45 PM
Quote from: jekelish on July 25, 2023, 09:59:13 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 25, 2023, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: FLALTX on July 25, 2023, 11:19:28 AM
That's good to hear. Birmingham Southern being good is good for the SAA as a whole. I do have to wonder about their running back depth. John Lewis is going to be hard to replace.

Nearly all of our RB production transferred out with Lewis and Grayson Stacey leaving.  However, we do have a couple RB's transferring in that should be able to fill those spots.  Replacing Jon Lewis is nearly impossible, but we should be fine.

With Stacey following TJW to Austin College, for those who were not aware.

Indeed he did.  His family had moved to Texas during the season last year, so the move made sense for him.  Will be wishing him the best this coming season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: rjtiger on July 27, 2023, 10:29:33 AM
Sewanee's new freshman class is up on the website.  New staff brought in 30+ kids which is a big class for Sewanee.  The Sophomore's lost 7 of 20 kids.  So they are going to be young.  I loved the old staff, great guys and really understood D3 just couldn't get it done on the field.  This new staff seems more intense (D1 attitude), it will be interesting to see if it pays dividends.  YSR

https://sewaneetigers.com/sports/football/roster?view=2



Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 27, 2023, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: rjtiger on July 27, 2023, 10:29:33 AM
Sewanee's new freshman class is up on the website.  New staff brought in 30+ kids which is a big class for Sewanee.  The Sophomore's lost 7 of 20 kids.  So they are going to be young.  I loved the old staff, great guys and really understood D3 just couldn't get it done on the field.  This new staff seems more intense (D1 attitude), it will be interesting to see if it pays dividends.  YSR

https://sewaneetigers.com/sports/football/roster?view=2

It'll take a couple years before you see real results at Sewanee. If they can get the administration behind the program, it should be able to thrive, but currently it's just a shell.  Beautiful campus, program with SEC history and still has the original stadium as part of the current stadium.  In the end, $120k for an education just so you can play football is steep.  Need to find a way around that. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 27, 2023, 08:54:27 PM
Quote from: rjtiger on July 27, 2023, 10:29:33 AM
Sewanee's new freshman class is up on the website.  New staff brought in 30+ kids which is a big class for Sewanee.  The Sophomore's lost 7 of 20 kids.  So they are going to be young.  I loved the old staff, great guys and really understood D3 just couldn't get it done on the field.  This new staff seems more intense (D1 attitude), it will be interesting to see if it pays dividends.  YSR

https://sewaneetigers.com/sports/football/roster?view=2

Welcome and YSR!   Coach Rundle and company were good people but they had pretty much lost the thread on the program.   The intensity that Coach McCollum and company have brought to the program is something I've not seen on the Mountain in about two decades.   When you talk to Coach Mac it reminds one a lot of both Shirley Majors and Horace Moore.    I'm looking forward to the opener with Maryville to see how that intensity translates to the field and I've got some hope we'll see a lot of  improvement out of the program this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 27, 2023, 08:58:19 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 27, 2023, 02:29:35 PM

It'll take a couple years before you see real results at Sewanee. If they can get the administration behind the program, it should be able to thrive, but currently it's just a shell.  Beautiful campus, program with SEC history and still has the original stadium as part of the current stadium.  In the end, $120k for an education just so you can play football is steep.  Need to find a way around that. 
tbh you could say same about almost all the SAA/affilated colleges.  But it's nice to have a chance to win as many as you lose while you're putting out that kind of cash (if you do, given the generous discount rate and financial aid/scholarships if you can get admitted in the first place).

Also, "D1 attitudes" at a very much #whyd3 school don't work much of the time.  There's a fine balance that D1-first type coaches can find difficult to grasp.   

Quote from: awadelewis on July 27, 2023, 08:54:27 PM
Welcome and YSR!   Coach Rundle and company were good people but they had pretty much lost the thread on the program.   The intensity that Coach McCollum and company have brought to the program is something I've not seen on the Mountain in about two decades.   When you talk to Coach Mac it reminds one a lot of both Shirley Majors and Horace Moore.    I'm looking forward to the opener with Maryville to see how that intensity translates to the field and I've got some hope we'll see a lot of  improvement out of the program this season.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.  The long-suffering players, fans, and supporters deserve better on the Mountain.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on July 27, 2023, 09:03:43 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 27, 2023, 02:29:35 PM

It'll take a couple years before you see real results at Sewanee. If they can get the administration behind the program, it should be able to thrive, but currently it's just a shell.  Beautiful campus, program with SEC history and still has the original stadium as part of the current stadium.  In the end, $120k for an education just so you can play football is steep.  Need to find a way around that.

There's been a bit of attitude change in our administration in recent times that may make a  difference.   A new Vice-Chancellor who has deep connections to the University, combined with an AD who understands winning at the D3 level that also has that deep connection is going to provide a lot more support than what we've seen in the past.     Previous VCs and AD always treated football with a "just not embarrass us" mindset and would have never taken the risk of hiring an experienced D1 coach to run the program.     
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Riley Zayas on July 28, 2023, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 27, 2023, 08:58:19 PM

Also, "D1 attitudes" at a very much #whyd3 school don't work much of the time.  There's a fine balance that D1-first type coaches can find difficult to grasp.   


Totally agree. Calvin seems to have taken a similar route with hiring a D1 coach to lead their football program. But it is definitely a good reminder that open-minded coaches coming from D1 can adapt and find success in D3 pretty quickly (with the right institutional support). Pete Fredenburg went from serving as the DC at LSU and Baylor to building UMHB's program from scratch. And getting them to the Stagg Bowl in their 6th season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2023, 02:59:18 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on July 28, 2023, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 27, 2023, 08:58:19 PM

Also, "D1 attitudes" at a very much #whyd3 school don't work much of the time.  There's a fine balance that D1-first type coaches can find difficult to grasp.   


Totally agree. Calvin seems to have taken a similar route with hiring a D1 coach to lead their football program. But it is definitely a good reminder that open-minded coaches coming from D1 can adapt and find success in D3 pretty quickly (with the right institutional support). Pete Fredenburg went from serving as the DC at LSU and Baylor to building UMHB's program from scratch. And getting them to the Stagg Bowl in their 6th season.

And there was this guy by the name of Mike DuBose that went from HC at Alabama to Millsaps (a few years after getting cashiered) and totally turned that program around.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2023, 05:21:42 PM
...and Hal Mumme, who led McMurry to a 1-point loss to UMHB in regular season then playoff win over Trinity and loss to UMHB in round 2.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2023, 11:32:44 AM
[heavily edited because I'm apparently an idiot]

The D3football.com preseason Top 25 (https://d3football.com/top25/2023/preseason) is out.  Region 6 3 schools:

3. UMHB - 533
4. Trinity - 511
6. St. Johns - 495
7. Linfield - 434
8. HSU - 397
14. Bethel - 278

(RV, "36") BSC - 11
(RV, "37") HPU - 6

Man -  5 3 of the top 8 and 2 of the top 4 are from Region 6 3.   Of course, North Central and Mount Union are 1/2 with almost all the first place votes going to the defending champion and the rest to UMU. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 31, 2023, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2023, 11:32:44 AM
The D3football.com preseason Top 25 (https://d3football.com/top25/2023/preseason) is out.  Region 6 schools:

3. UMHB - 533
4. Trinity - 511
6. St. Johns - 495
7. Linfield - 434
8. HSU - 397
14. Bethel - 278

(RV, "36") BSC - 11
(RV, "37") HPU - 6

Man - 5 of the top 8 are from Region 6.   Of course, North Central and Mount Union are 1/2 with almost all the first place votes going to the defending champion and the rest to UMU.

After BSC's last game of the season, surprised we received any votes. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on July 31, 2023, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2023, 11:32:44 AM
The D3football.com preseason Top 25 (https://d3football.com/top25/2023/preseason) is out.  Region 6 schools:

3. UMHB - 533
4. Trinity - 511
6. St. Johns - 495
7. Linfield - 434
8. HSU - 397
14. Bethel - 278

(RV, "36") BSC - 11
(RV, "37") HPU - 6

Man - 5 of the top 8 are from Region 6.   Of course, North Central and Mount Union are 1/2 with almost all the first place votes going to the defending champion and the rest to UMU.

Happy to see this, but do we know yet how many Covid super-seniors Trinity is getting back next year? I thought we were losing a bunch of key seniors on both sides, barring extra eligibility. We had something like 30 seniors last year, which I assume has to be the most ever for Trinity. There have been posts in years past that show historically, conference standings usually corresponds quite heavily to the number of seniors on the team - which obviously makes sense. The voters must have an idea of how much we are bringing back.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2023, 01:19:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2023, 11:32:44 AM
The D3football.com preseason Top 25 (https://d3football.com/top25/2023/preseason) is out.  Region 6 schools:

3. UMHB - 533
4. Trinity - 511

6. St. Johns - 495
7. Linfield - 434
8. HSU - 397
14. Bethel - 278

(RV, "36") BSC - 11
(RV, "37") HPU - 6

Man - 5 of the top 8 are from Region 6.   Of course, North Central and Mount Union are 1/2 with almost all the first place votes going to the defending champion and the rest to UMU.
Are not UTMB, TUTx and HSU in Region 3?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2023, 03:47:52 PM
Gaak I still get confused from when we were in 6.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2023, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on July 31, 2023, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2023, 11:32:44 AM
The D3football.com preseason Top 25 (https://d3football.com/top25/2023/preseason) is out.  Region 6 schools:

3. UMHB - 533
4. Trinity - 511
6. St. Johns - 495
7. Linfield - 434
8. HSU - 397
14. Bethel - 278

(RV, "36") BSC - 11
(RV, "37") HPU - 6

Man - 5 of the top 8 are from Region 6.   Of course, North Central and Mount Union are 1/2 with almost all the first place votes going to the defending champion and the rest to UMU.

Happy to see this, but do we know yet how many Covid super-seniors Trinity is getting back next year? I thought we were losing a bunch of key seniors on both sides, barring extra eligibility. We had something like 30 seniors last year, which I assume has to be the most ever for Trinity. There have been posts in years past that show historically, conference standings usually corresponds quite heavily to the number of seniors on the team - which obviously makes sense. The voters must have an idea of how much we are bringing back.

I've heard it is a significant number; of course some of the 30 last year were already on their COVID year and can't return.  Won't know for sure until Coach Urban has the roster posted.     
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on July 31, 2023, 10:35:01 PM
I'm just hoping Tucker decided to go do something else.  He needs to graduate already!!! 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 01, 2023, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 31, 2023, 10:35:01 PM
I'm just hoping Tucker decided to go do something else.  He needs to graduate already!!!

Tucker was on the preseason info that Trinity provided for us to send to our voters.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 01, 2023, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 01, 2023, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on July 31, 2023, 10:35:01 PM
I'm just hoping Tucker decided to go do something else.  He needs to graduate already!!!

Tucker was on the preseason info that Trinity provided for us to send to our voters.

And DCTFB just named him the preseason Texas Offensive PoTY for non-FBS (D3, D2, D1 FCS):  https://twitter.com/dctfCFB/status/1686399809911934976
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2023, 04:28:25 PM
OK, I just made my donation to SJU athletics.   Looks like there's a visitor section so I'll be among the dozens of actual visitors on that side surrounded by hundreds of Johnnie faithful (and thousands elsewhere).
(https://i.ibb.co/3FRH09d/image.png)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on August 05, 2023, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2023, 04:28:25 PM
OK, I just made my donation to SJU athletics.   Looks like there's a visitor section so I'll be among the dozens of actual visitors on that side surrounded by hundreds of Johnnie faithful (and thousands elsewhere).
(https://i.ibb.co/3FRH09d/image.png)

Looking forward to hearing how it goes.  Should be a great experience.  It'll be interesting to see the size of the TU fan contingent.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DuffMan on August 08, 2023, 03:37:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2023, 04:28:25 PM
OK, I just made my donation to SJU athletics.

Thank you!  ;)

Seriously, pop into the MIAC board (region 6  ;D) when the game gets closer and we'll make sure you've got all the info you need and can find some friendlies to pre-game it with.  Feel free to shoot me a PM if you need anything, too.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 08, 2023, 04:24:12 PM
Sounds like a plan.  And a little more than three weeks away!

And here are the SAA members of the 2023 D3football.com Preseason All-America team (https://d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2023-preseason) - all except Garcia from Trinity:

First team:  DB Caleb Harmel, Sr.; RET BJ Stewart, Jr.
Second team:  QB Tucker Horn, Sr.  [Braxton Plunk of Mount Union is 1st]
Third team:  G Tonny Garcia, Sr., Berry

As an aside, 1st team RB Jhe'Quay Chretin (Sr., Aurora) is from Bastrop, a town about 30 miles from Austin.  How the heck does he end up in Illinois?  He's the only native Texan on the first team besides Harmel. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on August 09, 2023, 07:02:54 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on August 08, 2023, 03:37:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2023, 04:28:25 PM
OK, I just made my donation to SJU athletics.

Thank you!  ;)

Seriously, pop into the MIAC board (region 6  ;D) when the game gets closer and we'll make sure you've got all the info you need and can find some friendlies to pre-game it with.  Feel free to shoot me a PM if you need anything, too.

Classy!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DuffMan on August 10, 2023, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on August 09, 2023, 07:02:54 PM
Classy!

We'll throw plenty of jabs leading up to the game, but most of us are good eggs and will do our best to be hospitable hosts.

Fun (or not so fun) fact: the last time Trinity and SJU played was my last game for SJU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 10, 2023, 10:22:37 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on August 10, 2023, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on August 09, 2023, 07:02:54 PM
Classy!

We'll throw plenty of jabs leading up to the game, but most of us are good eggs and will do our best to be hospitable hosts.

Fun (or not so fun) fact: the last time Trinity and SJU played was my last game for SJU.

That had to hurt - my sincere condolences.

I remember being pissed off because that, of all weekends, had to be the one time we visited our niece in Ohio to support the performance of her Masters thesis at Kent State, so there was no way to be at the game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 12, 2023, 03:08:21 PM
Trinity has posted their 2023 roster. (https://trinitytigers.com/sports/football/roster?view=2)  There are 132 on this season's roster:  16 fifth-years, 25 seniors (who presumably still have a COVID year if they elect), 23 juniors, 31 sophomores, 37 first-years.   113 of 132 from Texas.

Last year's roster numbered 115 with 103 in-state; 30 seniors (including fifth years), 25 juniors, 27 sophomores, 33 first-years so it appears retention was excellent. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 13, 2023, 10:54:45 PM
With all the craziness that was BSC last spring, our numbers are very promising for this season.  Total on roster is 103.  We have 20 seniors, not sure how many are 5th year or traditional seniors.  We had 32 freshman coming in this year, which is down from our number of freshman last season.  We also have 30 sophomores and 21 juniors. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 14, 2023, 10:28:55 AM
All 2023 SAA rosters:

Berry, 119 total:  3 graduate, 18 senior, 23 junior, 48 sophomore, 37 first year.
B-SC, 103: -/20/21/30/32
Centre, 120:  8/13/16/30/53 (!!)
Hendrix, 96: 1/12/10/25/48
Millsaps, 109: -/13/15/34/47
Rhodes, 96: 1/15/23/21/36
Sewanee, 76: 2/11/15/16/32
Southwestern, 118: -/21/22/26/49
Trinity, 132: 16/25/23/31/37 

Interesting to see the big entering classes at Centre, Hendrix, Millsaps, and Southwestern.  For those who haven't been around for decades, Southwestern was quite successful in the final years of SCAC play and it will be interesting to see how they fare as they leave behind the ASC, where they were 7-13 the last two years (and 0-5 the spring COVID season).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 14, 2023, 02:38:05 PM
By way of comparison, St. John's has nearly 200 on their roster (https://gojohnnies.com/documents/2023/8/14/23sjufootballroster.pdf?path=football); UHMB doesn't have their 2023 up yet but usually carry around that many (195 last season).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Crubacker on August 15, 2023, 05:37:45 PM
The number I saw for UMHB this year was 257
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on August 17, 2023, 12:11:46 AM
I know Ron already did the counts but I was bored and wanted to test my tool on some other schools so I did the SAA.  Here is the google document that contains all of the roster breakdowns as of 11:10 PM Central.  If you see any errors or parsing issues let me know and I can write some code to fix those.  The script can now pull the rosters on demand so it should be easy to update.  Now off to the other conferences tomorrow!


SAA Roster Breakdown (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ltwvE4-lokv2DxT4d-g1bMju8pbSAGaXmLVThaueza0/edit?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on August 17, 2023, 02:00:39 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on August 17, 2023, 12:11:46 AM
I know Ron already did the counts but I was bored and wanted to test my tool on some other schools so I did the SAA.  Here is the google document that contains all of the roster breakdowns as of 11:10 PM Central.  If you see any errors or parsing issues let me know and I can write some code to fix those.  The script can now pull the rosters on demand so it should be easy to update.  Now off to the other conferences tomorrow!


SAA Roster Breakdown (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ltwvE4-lokv2DxT4d-g1bMju8pbSAGaXmLVThaueza0/edit?usp=sharing)

+1
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2023, 07:42:42 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on August 17, 2023, 12:11:46 AM
I know Ron already did the counts but I was bored and wanted to test my tool on some other schools so I did the SAA.  Here is the google document that contains all of the roster breakdowns as of 11:10 PM Central.  If you see any errors or parsing issues let me know and I can write some code to fix those.  The script can now pull the rosters on demand so it should be easy to update.  Now off to the other conferences tomorrow!


SAA Roster Breakdown (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ltwvE4-lokv2DxT4d-g1bMju8pbSAGaXmLVThaueza0/edit?usp=sharing)

I bet there will be a lot of people interested in your tool, Etch.  I did find one minor inconsistency, your calculations in cells J5:J6 are looking at 'gone' rather than 'new'.   Also, H8:H10 look for 'gone' instead of 'returning'.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on August 17, 2023, 07:50:15 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2023, 07:42:42 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on August 17, 2023, 12:11:46 AM
I know Ron already did the counts but I was bored and wanted to test my tool on some other schools so I did the SAA.  Here is the google document that contains all of the roster breakdowns as of 11:10 PM Central.  If you see any errors or parsing issues let me know and I can write some code to fix those.  The script can now pull the rosters on demand so it should be easy to update.  Now off to the other conferences tomorrow!


SAA Roster Breakdown (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ltwvE4-lokv2DxT4d-g1bMju8pbSAGaXmLVThaueza0/edit?usp=sharing)

I bet there will be a lot of people interested in your tool, Etch.  I did find one minor inconsistency, your calculations in cells J5:J6 are looking at 'gone' rather than 'new'.   Also, H8:H10 look for 'gone' instead of 'returning'.

Should be fixed now.  What happens when you're not very good at excel and have multiple iterations of the formulas in those cells lol :D.  Thanks for the catch!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2023, 08:25:27 AM
Thanks, Etch.  Looking at the numbers you so kindly provided:

Berry (125):  Lost 50 (30 non-Sr+), gained 43, net -7.  Change since 8/14, +6.
B-SC (104): Lost 66 (39 non-Sr+), gained 34, net -32.  Change since 8/14, +1.
Centre(120):  Lost 54 (28), gained 57, net +3.  Change since 8/14, 0.
Hendrix(90):  Lost 45 (31), gained 44, net -1.  Change since 8/14, -6.
Millsaps(101):  Lost 53 (39), gained 44, net -9.  Change since 8/14, -8.
Rhodes(96):  Lost 27 (8), gained 37, net +10.  Change since 8/14, 0.
Sewanee(76):  Lost 29 (16), gained 37, net +8.  Change since 8/14, 0.
Southwestern(118):  Lost 40 (30), gained 53, net +13.  Change since 8/14, 0.
Trinity(132):  Lost 21 (7), gained 38, net +17.  Change since 8/14, 0.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2023, 09:27:10 AM
And good news for B-SC:  Birmingham city council commits up to $5 mill. to Birmingham Southern College to stay open (https://www.wvtm13.com/article/birmingham-city-council-commits-to-up-to-5-mill-to-birmingham-southern-college-to-stay-open/44823255).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2023, 09:12:27 AM
A decent B-SC preview from alabamanewscenter.com. (https://alabamanewscenter.com/2023/08/14/alabama-news-center-2023-football-preview-birmingham-southern-college/)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 18, 2023, 11:20:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2023, 09:12:27 AM
A decent B-SC preview from alabamanewscenter.com.
(https://alabamanewscenter.com/2023/08/14/alabama-news-center-2023-football-preview-birmingham-southern-college/)

That's good news but I'm still a little confused by them stating that our fund raising is still at about $45mil.  That's where it has been for a year. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 19, 2023, 05:49:21 AM
BSC, with respect to your $45M comment, I bumped my post about fundraising. BSC is not getting the "smart money" gifts from wealthy alumni & foundations. Those deep pockets see no change in the overall situation.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2023, 01:20:13 AM
I pulled out a pro forma for a typical capital campaign for $100M recommended by a professional consultant. Here is how you would raise $100M

Number of donors        Gift             Cumulative Total
1                             $20M                  $20M
1                              $10M                 $30M
1                               $5M                   $35M
3                                $3M                  $44M
4                                $2M                  $52M

Find those 10 people and you are halfway.

15                               $1M                  $67M   
30                                $500K              $82M

There you have 80% of your goal in 55 people

40                               $200K               $90M
50                               $100K               $95M
75                                $50K                $98,750,000

The next 165 almost put you over the top.   

Double those gifts or double the donors at each level and you have $200M.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 20, 2023, 09:52:12 AM
We really aren't getting any news about how they are going about the fundraising.  The only thing I've seen is they are trying to re-engage with the alumni base, I'm not even sure if there is an alumni association. Also, there isn't an athletic booster club, not sure if any of you have one either, but that seems like it would be an easy way to fundraiser for athletics. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on August 20, 2023, 11:42:46 AM
Has BSC got any money from the State of Alabama yet? I would guess a fundraising push doesn't occur until the state money situation is settled since having a big fundraising haul might jeopardize the state giving them money, ironic  ;D the good news for BSC seems to be the state, city powerbrokers etc don't want to see the school shutdown, the bad news is they are lousy at fundraising from big money people/organizations, they need some dukes
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 20, 2023, 12:18:09 PM
The loan program was approved, but the last news I heard was about BSC and the state agreeing on the terms.  I don't know what has happened since then.  The city and county for sure would like to keep BSC, it helps keep that neighborhood in a positive light.  Hopefully BSC can get things completely(mostly) straightened out and can be prosperous again.  Leadership has said the right things, now they need to follow it up by doing the right things.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 21, 2023, 09:16:54 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on August 20, 2023, 12:18:09 PM
The loan program was approved, but the last news I heard was about BSC and the state agreeing on the terms.  I don't know what has happened since then.  The city and county for sure would like to keep BSC, it helps keep that neighborhood in a positive light.  Hopefully BSC can get things completely(mostly) straightened out and can be prosperous again.  Leadership has said the right things, now they need to follow it up by doing the right things.

This might have something to do with the radio silence:  Is Birmingham Southern Bill unconstitutional? Legal expert explains possible reason behind AG opinion sought (https://www.wbrc.com/2023/08/21/is-birmingham-southern-bill-unconstitutional-legal-expert-explains-possible-reason-behind-ag-opinion-sought/).   :(
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 21, 2023, 09:40:48 AM
Well that explains why we are still sitting in a holding pattern on the financial side of life. 

Time for MeeMaw to go. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on August 21, 2023, 10:22:51 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 21, 2023, 09:16:54 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on August 20, 2023, 12:18:09 PM
The loan program was approved, but the last news I heard was about BSC and the state agreeing on the terms.  I don't know what has happened since then.  The city and county for sure would like to keep BSC, it helps keep that neighborhood in a positive light.  Hopefully BSC can get things completely(mostly) straightened out and can be prosperous again.  Leadership has said the right things, now they need to follow it up by doing the right things.

This might have something to do with the radio silence:  Is Birmingham Southern Bill unconstitutional? Legal expert explains possible reason behind AG opinion sought (https://www.wbrc.com/2023/08/21/is-birmingham-southern-bill-unconstitutional-legal-expert-explains-possible-reason-behind-ag-opinion-sought/).   :(

I realize these things are complex and you can't do y until you do x, but I always laugh when I see how a lot of governmental things operate. We tell kids to not wait to do their homework because when they get older things have to get done on time, well if they ever pay attention to the news they will always see things go well past the "deadline" and nothing ever seems to change.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: rjtiger on August 22, 2023, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on August 17, 2023, 12:11:46 AM
I know Ron already did the counts but I was bored and wanted to test my tool on some other schools so I did the SAA.  Here is the google document that contains all of the roster breakdowns as of 11:10 PM Central.  If you see any errors or parsing issues let me know and I can write some code to fix those.  The script can now pull the rosters on demand so it should be easy to update.  Now off to the other conferences tomorrow!


SAA Roster Breakdown (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ltwvE4-lokv2DxT4d-g1bMju8pbSAGaXmLVThaueza0/edit?usp=sharing)

Thanks so much for doing this, I have have been fascinated with the D3 sports world since my son started playing and the recruiting process.  It is almost more of a Sales Job than a Coaching Job at this level.  The attrition is somewhat sad but understandable, these schools that bring in 40+ kids makes it hard when these kids walk in the door and realize there are 7+ Freshman at the same position.  It would be interesting to see how many stayed at school and how many just stopped playing. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 23, 2023, 09:23:31 AM
Quote from: rjtiger on August 22, 2023, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on August 17, 2023, 12:11:46 AM
I know Ron already did the counts but I was bored and wanted to test my tool on some other schools so I did the SAA.  Here is the google document that contains all of the roster breakdowns as of 11:10 PM Central.  If you see any errors or parsing issues let me know and I can write some code to fix those.  The script can now pull the rosters on demand so it should be easy to update.  Now off to the other conferences tomorrow!


SAA Roster Breakdown (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ltwvE4-lokv2DxT4d-g1bMju8pbSAGaXmLVThaueza0/edit?usp=sharing)

Thanks so much for doing this, I have have been fascinated with the D3 sports world since my son started playing and the recruiting process.  It is almost more of a Sales Job than a Coaching Job at this level.  The attrition is somewhat sad but understandable, these schools that bring in 40+ kids makes it hard when these kids walk in the door and realize there are 7+ Freshman at the same position.  It would be interesting to see how many stayed at school and how many just stopped playing.

Attrition is strong in D3.  Since every kid is essentially a walk on, if they aren't happy with their situation they just stop playing.  Unlike a scholarshiped player that has an incentive to continue.  So many schools recruit as many kids as they can get to show up, hoping there'll be talent and dedication in that group.  It also helps with genral student numbers when you have 125-150 kids at the school that wouldn't otherwise be there without an opportunity to play college ball. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on August 24, 2023, 03:04:36 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on August 23, 2023, 09:23:31 AM
Quote from: rjtiger on August 22, 2023, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on August 17, 2023, 12:11:46 AM
I know Ron already did the counts but I was bored and wanted to test my tool on some other schools so I did the SAA.  Here is the google document that contains all of the roster breakdowns as of 11:10 PM Central.  If you see any errors or parsing issues let me know and I can write some code to fix those.  The script can now pull the rosters on demand so it should be easy to update.  Now off to the other conferences tomorrow!


SAA Roster Breakdown (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ltwvE4-lokv2DxT4d-g1bMju8pbSAGaXmLVThaueza0/edit?usp=sharing)

Thanks so much for doing this, I have have been fascinated with the D3 sports world since my son started playing and the recruiting process.  It is almost more of a Sales Job than a Coaching Job at this level.  The attrition is somewhat sad but understandable, these schools that bring in 40+ kids makes it hard when these kids walk in the door and realize there are 7+ Freshman at the same position.  It would be interesting to see how many stayed at school and how many just stopped playing.

Attrition is strong in D3.  Since every kid is essentially a walk on, if they aren't happy with their situation they just stop playing.  Unlike a scholarshiped player that has an incentive to continue.  So many schools recruit as many kids as they can get to show up, hoping there'll be talent and dedication in that group.  It also helps with genral student numbers when you have 125-150 kids at the school that wouldn't otherwise be there without an opportunity to play college ball.

Yep. And when you're paying $60k+ a year like you do at private schools, you don't wanna pay that much or put yourself in that much student debt only to sit on the bench. Happens a ton where a kid tries it out, sees they won't play much, if at all, the first couple years, and decides there are much cheaper options if they aren't going to be playing anyway.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2023, 03:39:18 PM
SAA pre-season poll is out (https://saa-sports.com/news/2023/8/22/trinity-picked-no-1-in-saa-football-preseason-ranking.aspx):

1. Trinity - 63 pts (7)
2. Berry - 57 pts (2)
3. Centre - 47 pts
T4. Birmingham-Southern - 37 pts
T4. Rhodes - 37 pts
6. Hendrix - 30 pts
7. Southwestern - 28 pts
8. Millsaps - 14 pts
9. Sewanee - 11 pts

Have to admit I am surprised to see Berry get two first-place votes, but they did play Trinity tight last year on the road and return seven all-SAA players and the SAA newcomer of the year (Trinity returns eight). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2023, 04:01:07 PM
From the point structure coaches vote on eight teams excluding their own, thus Trinity gets 7x8 (56) + 1x7 = 63 points.  Berry, 2x8+5x7+1x6 = 57.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 24, 2023, 04:31:40 PM
Hopefully BSC players feel the disrespect and come out angry this season.  Our defense should be solid, DL should be one of the best in the league.  OL has some holes to replace, we may struggle keeping our QB upright.  But he is a scrambler and that should help hi, out a lot this season.  RB and WR are a question mark going into the season.  I see a lot of low scoring ball games for us this season. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2023, 04:52:04 PM
Here's one way the vote could have broken out (but almost certainly did not):


SchoolPoints1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th
Trinity
63
71------
Berry
57
251-----
Centre
47
-152----
BSC
37
-1123-1-
Rhodes
37
-1221-2-
Hendrix
30
---1511-
Southwestern
28
---2-6--
Millsaps
14
-----224
Sewanee
11
------35

The first two are correct as that's the only way Trinity can get 63, and Berry 57 with what's left.  Centre could have gotten seven thirds and a fourth; after that, it's a crap shoot.  I don't think anyone actually gave BSC a 7th but yeah, regardless that's a lot of disrespect for a team that could almost as easily have won the last two against Trinity as lost them. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on August 26, 2023, 11:42:55 AM
Anybody make it to the Trinity/TLU scrimmage? If so, how'd the teams look?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DuffMan on August 28, 2023, 01:01:31 PM
If anyone other than Ron is coming up to MN this weekend, head on over to the MIAC Board (https://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4550.0) to say hi and get some pointers.  Safe travels!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on August 30, 2023, 10:20:44 AM
What is the fan's take on the conference realignment? I know what the thoughts are from a Crusader perspective. I'd like to hear from those outside of CruNation.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 30, 2023, 10:59:45 AM
I believe that McMurry's current administration just got tired of participating in the "Athletics Arms Race". Just look at the number of conference championships, number of conference tourney appearances, and NCAA playoff slots that they have earned since the return from the attempt to go D-2.

One can proclaim the move from the ASC to the SCAC and a "Mission and Vision" thing. However, the "Panache" of SCAC just transfered to the SAA with TU and Southwestern taking their feathers and leaving.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: HansenRatings on August 30, 2023, 11:25:18 AM
Playoff projections for the season using my model's preseason ratings:

(https://i.imgur.com/qJvP1QN.png)

You can look at other conferences on my website: https://hansenratings.github.io/ (https://hansenratings.github.io/).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 30, 2023, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on August 30, 2023, 10:20:44 AM
What is the fan's take on the conference realignment? I know what the thoughts are from a Crusader perspective. I'd like to hear from those outside of CruNation.

It's just part of life in D3. Unfortunately it can be problematic in the D3 sparse areas like the Deep South and West. The collapse of either the ASC or the SCAC has been likely for more than a decade. It looked like the SCAC was the one in trouble for a long time, but that shifted for a few very good reasons, and I think a lot of that can be credited to the commissioner. The SCAC was on life support, but instead of becoming a loosely tied desperation conference, they stuck to their guns and eventually pulled together a cohesive conference of mostly similar schools, pulling back wayward members. Even though they shed a few high quality members, the core that was built should be a fairly stable group of similar schools.

To me it looks like the ASC was complacent. They felt safe, despite the fact that the conference once stretched from La College or whatever they call themselves now, to Sul Ross State. It included state schools, private schools, large schools, small schools, religious schools, schools interested in being national powers and schools that may soon struggle to keep the doors open. There was no cohesion in the ASC, nothing that bound them together other than they were all they had. So when La College found something better, they went. When SRSU and UD found an alternative, they went. When TLU, Southwestern, Austin and McMurry found something better, they went, though it took McMurry 2 tries much to their detriment.

Marriages of convenience suck. See the Coast 2 Coast. The ASC commissioner seemed to think a marriage of convenience would last forever... and it didn't.

Now the 4 schools that share the most, the Baptist 4, are all that is left. And no one around needs a marriage of convenience with them, though I'd assume the SCIAC may soon be desperate enough if the Baptist 4 are still floating around when one more SCIAC school gives up on football. I can just see it now... home and home round robbin in the TX Division and the California Division, a bye week to organize travel, and a final week where each team plays their opposite positionally in the division for the last week of the season. Doesn't that sound positively awful?????
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2023, 12:03:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 30, 2023, 10:59:45 AM
I believe that McMurry's current administration just got tired of participating in the "Athletics Arms Race". Just look at the number of conference championships, number of conference tourney appearances, and NCAA playoff slots that they have earned since the return from the attempt to go D-2.

One can proclaim the move from the ASC to the SCAC and a "Mission and Vision" thing. However, the "Panache" of SCAC just transfered to the SAA with TU and Southwestern taking their feathers and leaving.

By most metrics Colorado College is at the top of SCAC academics and I'd slot Austin pretty close to Southwestern.  But I would agree that the SCAC has taken in schools in the post-split era that it would have never considered back in the day, and that trend, which started before the split, contributed both to the SAA schools leaving and to the situation the ASC finds itself in today. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2023, 12:09:40 PM
In actual SAA-related football news, here's Trinity's season preview (https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/8/30/fb_SAAfavorite.aspx). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on August 30, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 30, 2023, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on August 30, 2023, 10:20:44 AM
What is the fan's take on the conference realignment? I know what the thoughts are from a Crusader perspective. I'd like to hear from those outside of CruNation.

It's just part of life in D3. Unfortunately it can be problematic in the D3 sparse areas like the Deep South and West. The collapse of either the ASC or the SCAC has been likely for more than a decade. It looked like the SCAC was the one in trouble for a long time, but that shifted for a few very good reasons, and I think a lot of that can be credited to the commissioner. The SCAC was on life support, but instead of becoming a loosely tied desperation conference, they stuck to their guns and eventually pulled together a cohesive conference of mostly similar schools, pulling back wayward members. Even though they shed a few high quality members, the core that was built should be a fairly stable group of similar schools.

To me it looks like the ASC was complacent. They felt safe, despite the fact that the conference once stretched from La College or whatever they call themselves now, to Sul Ross State. It included state schools, private schools, large schools, small schools, religious schools, schools interested in being national powers and schools that may soon struggle to keep the doors open. There was no cohesion in the ASC, nothing that bound them together other than they were all they had. So when La College found something better, they went. When SRSU and UD found an alternative, they went. When TLU, Southwestern, Austin and McMurry found something better, they went, though it took McMurry 2 tries much to their detriment.

Marriages of convenience suck. See the Coast 2 Coast. The ASC commissioner seemed to think a marriage of convenience would last forever... and it didn't.

Now the 4 schools that share the most, the Baptist 4, are all that is left. And no one around needs a marriage of convenience with them, though I'd assume the SCIAC may soon be desperate enough if the Baptist 4 are still floating around when one more SCIAC school gives up on football. I can just see it now... home and home round robbin in the TX Division and the California Division, a bye week to organize travel, and a final week where each team plays their opposite positionally in the division for the last week of the season. Doesn't that sound positively awful?????

What are the few good reasons? They hate getting beat by HSU and UMHB?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 30, 2023, 12:25:08 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on August 30, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 30, 2023, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on August 30, 2023, 10:20:44 AM
What is the fan's take on the conference realignment? I know what the thoughts are from a Crusader perspective. I'd like to hear from those outside of CruNation.

It's just part of life in D3. Unfortunately it can be problematic in the D3 sparse areas like the Deep South and West. The collapse of either the ASC or the SCAC has been likely for more than a decade. It looked like the SCAC was the one in trouble for a long time, but that shifted for a few very good reasons, and I think a lot of that can be credited to the commissioner. The SCAC was on life support, but instead of becoming a loosely tied desperation conference, they stuck to their guns and eventually pulled together a cohesive conference of mostly similar schools, pulling back wayward members. Even though they shed a few high quality members, the core that was built should be a fairly stable group of similar schools.

To me it looks like the ASC was complacent. They felt safe, despite the fact that the conference once stretched from La College or whatever they call themselves now, to Sul Ross State. It included state schools, private schools, large schools, small schools, religious schools, schools interested in being national powers and schools that may soon struggle to keep the doors open. There was no cohesion in the ASC, nothing that bound them together other than they were all they had. So when La College found something better, they went. When SRSU and UD found an alternative, they went. When TLU, Southwestern, Austin and McMurry found something better, they went, though it took McMurry 2 tries much to their detriment.

Marriages of convenience suck. See the Coast 2 Coast. The ASC commissioner seemed to think a marriage of convenience would last forever... and it didn't.

Now the 4 schools that share the most, the Baptist 4, are all that is left. And no one around needs a marriage of convenience with them, though I'd assume the SCIAC may soon be desperate enough if the Baptist 4 are still floating around when one more SCIAC school gives up on football. I can just see it now... home and home round robbin in the TX Division and the California Division, a bye week to organize travel, and a final week where each team plays their opposite positionally in the division for the last week of the season. Doesn't that sound positively awful?????

What are the few good reasons? They hate getting beat by HSU and UMHB?

I wouldn't count that out as one of the reasons but I suspect the rest of my post is the more valid reason. The SCAC has fashioned a conference much more homogenous than the ASC. While I don't think there is a huge academic component to it, I do see a consistency across SCAC schools. Something that, as I pointed out, the ASC never had. Colorado College is a bit of a pain, but I suspect the SCAC schools are relying on CC and Austin to prop up their academic bonafides, especially without Trinity and Southwestern.

I certainly get why the Baptist 4 fans are bitter. It's a tough pill to swallow when no one wants to be friends with you and the outcome doesn't look great. But as the SCAC proves, things can change. Maybe they will change for the ASC remnant.
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Post by: DuffMan on August 30, 2023, 03:10:52 PM
SJU/Trinity Game Notes (https://gojohnnies.com/documents/2023/8/30/090223_TrinityTX_GameNotes.pdf) are published.
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Post by: BSCpanthers on August 30, 2023, 07:46:06 PM
Season begins tomorrow at 6:00 central time as BSC takes on McMurry at War Memorial in Little Rock. It's a neutral site game, we also played them last year in the same venue as BSC came away as a winner 26-9.  This will be our first look at BSC with new HC Anthony Colucci, he steps up from being the OC the last few years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2023, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on August 30, 2023, 07:46:06 PM
Season begins tomorrow at 6:00 central time as BSC takes on McMurry at War Memorial in Little Rock. It's a neutral site game, we also played them last year in the same venue as BSC came away as a winner 26-9.  This will be our first look at BSC with new HC Anthony Colucci, he steps up from being the OC the last few years.

Safe travels to all and here's to everyone staying healthy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2023, 09:59:01 AM
Coach Colucci is the interview on the podcast episode we dropped yesterday:
https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/08/29/atn-podcast-331-lets-get-this-party-started/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 31, 2023, 10:31:26 AM
ITS GAME DAY!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2023, 11:43:30 AM
SJU-Trinity is the first game featured on this week's Republic of Football podcast (https://open.spotify.com/show/24O4RH6WF8sn7zX6mtMsbi), with Cory Hogue and Riley Zayas.   

UMHB-UWRF is the third game discussed, at about the 28:25 mark.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on August 31, 2023, 02:27:33 PM
Pretty incredible to me how many players St. John's fields annually. Even further incredible is the quality of player they get via transfer. According to the MIAC forums, they got upwards of 15 transfers this year, four of which were on a D1 roster. Trinity never gets 1/4 of that many transfers, although they occasionally get some gems (see Tucker Horn).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: DuffMan on August 31, 2023, 03:14:06 PM
Safe travels to Ron and any other Trinity folks headed up to MN.  I'm hoping to say hi in the tailgate lot--we'll see how amped up I can get the wife and kids Saturday morning. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 31, 2023, 08:19:16 PM
Halftime, BSC up 13-0. We have missed a PAT and a 39 yard FG attempt to end the half.  Our startiing kicker isn't playing this game, and we are missing him. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on August 31, 2023, 10:20:49 PM
Wow, not how I expected that to go.  After taking a 20-0 lead on McMurry, they came back to score 19 unanswered, they missed the PAT after second TD and we blocked the PAT after the third TD, and held on for the win.  We left at least 10 points on the fireld. Missed PAT, missed FG and twice went for it on 4th and short inside the 20 instead of attempting a FG.  We had a couple key injuries on defense in the second half, I'm sure that played a part on their comeback.  We have plenty to clean up, and need to heal fast before heading to Montgomery to play Huntingdon next weekend.  Good luck to everyone else in opening weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2023, 09:38:06 AM
JFC I cannot believe this.  The freaking rental car won't start this morning and it's taking forever to get them to do something about it. I'm just going to quit traveling because nearly every single thing this summer has had problems.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 02, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
Any insight into why Trinity returner BJ Stewart didn't make the trip to St. John's?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 02, 2023, 01:45:09 PM
Trinity's offense (especially pass) looks scary good so far.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 02, 2023, 02:09:44 PM
Sewanee comes out on our first possession running a Wing-T.    Appropriate given our history.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 02, 2023, 02:45:38 PM
Note to SJU: if you ask people to pay $17 to watch the broadcast, you need to provide better camera coverage.  Lots of action happening off camera.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2023, 02:58:59 PM
A note like that on the MIAC board will definitely be seen by SJU people.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 02, 2023, 03:12:06 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on September 02, 2023, 02:45:38 PM
Note to SJU: if you ask people to pay $17 to watch the broadcast, you need to provide better camera coverage.  Lots of action happening off camera.

Yes, the transitions to downfield on long passes have been terrible.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 02, 2023, 03:12:54 PM
I missed what happened to Horn on the run. Was it a bad hit?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 02, 2023, 03:28:52 PM
I'm having to watch the game stream as I'm out of the area this weekend for work and family. Sewanee scores late and converts the 2-point conversion to make the score Maryville 14 - Sewanee 8 at the half on The Mountain.    A good start as we were out of the game at the half in many of last season's games.

Thoughts: appears a bunch of work done on our defense in the run-up to the season as they have played much better than I've seen in the recent past.   Some inconsistency on offense.    The Maryville offense has appeared rather flat to me at times.

Looks like a decent crowd.   Appears the Maryville fans still bring a good contingent to their away games.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 02, 2023, 03:57:38 PM
Very poor decision by Horn there after that absolutely gorgeous throw. Yikes. Would be a tough loss after holding on after Harmel's ridiculous ejection.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 02, 2023, 04:08:06 PM
Really tough loss for Trinity. Losing Harmel and then ultimately Horn sealed it. Hats off to Johnnies for sticking with it to make the comeback. But this Trinity squad will be tough to beat when everyone is on the field.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 02, 2023, 04:12:22 PM
They played to protect the lead.  That philosophy fails so often.

Silver lining?  They've experienced the highest caliber of play so will know what to expect come playoff time, God willing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 02, 2023, 04:49:29 PM
Final: Maryville 28 - Sewanee 8

The Scots offense cleaned up the stuff causing turnovers in the first half to get a couple of good drives in the second half.     Maryville hosts Centre next week as we travel to Missouri to play Westminster.   

Saw some improvement on our part and hope to see continue to build on the road next week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2023, 05:06:55 PM
Great game atmosphere here in Collegeville but what a gut-wrencher.  I feel for the men who played well enough to win given a couple better decisions and not losing their best defender to what seemed like a marginal targeting call from what I saw on the replay.  Since it happened in the second half we probably lose him next week, too.

If you have the chance to come here, do it.  They are respectful to visitors (especially as you show respect) appreciate good football, and it is simply a spectacle rarely seen at this level. I even had the SJU President say a few kind things as he walked past.  And DO go to the tailgate, wow.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: repete on September 02, 2023, 07:13:38 PM
Sounds like it is reviewable by NCAA. That call was universally ripped by all who saw it ... except the officials, of course

SJU coach said he expects next week's suspension to be lifted.

Glad you had a chance to tailgate despite car woes. Did you neglect to plug the engine warmer in???
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2023, 10:32:25 PM
Quote from: repete on September 02, 2023, 07:13:38 PM
Sounds like it is reviewable by NCAA. That call was universally ripped by all who saw it ... except the officials, of course

SJU coach said he expects next week's suspension to be lifted.

Glad you had a chance to tailgate despite car woes. Did you neglect to plug the engine warmer in???

OMG it was such a cluster.  If not for Pat literally saving the day I might not have even got to the game.  And when I got back the car was totally dead - Avis after asking if I would mind waiting until 10AM Sunday for a fix got an earful and finally sent a tow truck.  I didn't get to my MSP hotel until just now.

But back to the game - regardless of the suspension, it was in our hands and we didn't get it done.  Congratulations on a hard-earned win - incredible character coming back from 17 down in the fourth - and will hope to see you in the playoffs (where it will be in the 30s instead of the 90s since you'd have HFA).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: OzJohnnie on September 02, 2023, 10:34:02 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 02, 2023, 03:12:54 PM
I missed what happened to Horn on the run. Was it a bad hit?

Tough loss for the Trinity boys.  They owned the first half and it didn't look pretty.  I won't be looking forward to a rematch if we have one in the post season.  I reckon your guys will be looking to get back the one that got away.

I came here looking to see what happened to Horn.  it didn't look to me like he got hit at all. Barely a touch it seemed.  Did he fall oddly?  Regardless, it was lucky for us because that guy was throwing darts.  I'm wondering who got the first team all-American now.  It's hard to imagine a QB throwing better.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2023, 11:41:06 PM
Braxton Plunk, Mount Union, was our first team preseason QB.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 03, 2023, 10:08:50 AM
Anyone have an update on Tucker?  Hope his injury wasn't to bad. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2023, 08:08:49 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 03, 2023, 10:08:50 AM
Anyone have an update on Tucker?  Hope his injury wasn't to bad. 
I don't have anything concrete but it wouldn't surprise if he was held out this week, given that Trinity's only route to the playoffs now is a Pool A bid.  That's just me spitballing based on what I saw at the game, he will want to play if it's at all possible.  A damned shame regardless because he was absolutely on fire throwing the ball; according to TU SID his 352 yards (on 28 of 33, no interceptions, 2TDs) was a career high.

The Week 1 d3football.com Top 25 (https://d3football.com/top25/2023/week1) is out and the voters showed a great deal of respect for yesterday's results, elevating SJU to 4 ahead of Trinity at 5, moving HSU to 6, and placing UMHB at 12.   The margin between 5 and 6 is only a few points so next week's results will have a lot to do with where Trinity and HSU end up relative to each other in Week 2.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2023, 08:38:39 AM
From what I understand, D3football.com (Pat Coleman), Around the D3FB Huddle (the Mayor, Frank Rossi) and Dave Campbell's Texas Football (Cory Hogue) will all be in attendance Saturday in San Antonio and I'm sure True to the Cru's Riley Zayas, too. Hopefully the newish press box is up to the task ;), tho Frank will no doubt be roaming the sidelines - dress for the heat, Frank!  Gametime temperature is expected near 100, cooling to the low 90s by game's end.
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Post by: Riley Zayas on September 04, 2023, 10:28:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2023, 08:38:39 AM
From what I understand, D3football.com (Pat Coleman), Around the D3FB Huddle (the Mayor, Frank Rossi) and Dave Campbell's Texas Football (Cory Hogue) will all be in attendance Saturday in San Antonio and I'm sure True to the Cru's Riley Zayas, too. Hopefully the newish press box is up to the task ;), tho Frank will no doubt be roaming the sidelines - dress for the heat, Frank!  Gametime temperature is expected near 100, cooling to the low 90s by game's end.

Haha, yes! All of the national media is going to be in town. And of course I'll be there too. This is going be a great game, though the quarterback situation for both teams will make it interesting. That press box is nice! I love covering games down at Trinity. Hoping for a large crowd.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2023, 12:04:19 PM
The ATN Podcast is out (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/09/04/atn-podcast-332-right-where-we-left-off/) and has a lot of coverage of SJU-Trinity including an interview of Coach Urban that provides a great deal of context about that second half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 04, 2023, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2023, 12:04:19 PM
The ATN Podcast is out (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/09/04/atn-podcast-332-right-where-we-left-off/) and has a lot of coverage of SJU-Trinity including an interview of Coach Urban that provides a great deal of context about that second half.

I obviously appreciate Urban taking the blame, but I think he played it the right way. In Division 3, the kicking game is never as  automatic as other divisions, and St. John's hadn't been able to stop Trinity's passing attack all game. Tucker choosing to run for it and not slide (or to not just immediately go down) was just an unfortunate choice, but he will learn from it.

Trinity's kicker Tyler Huettel was an all american punter at St. Olaf, but was 0-2 on his field goals during his time there. He was 0-3 on his field goals for Trinity last year in limited action. That being said, he looked solid on Satruday. 1/1 on his lone field goal, 4/4 on his PATs, and based on his kickoffs through the back of the end zone, he has a heck of a leg for D3. Hopelly he is a guy Urban can trust down the road in similar scenarios, or maybe he hasn't been great in practice, which would align with his poor (although limited) field goal stats we have on him from the last two years.

I also liked Urban's supporting words for the backup QB Ryan Back, who appears to have a cannon for an arm. I didn't know we had lost that many guys on defense throughout the game. Based on what Urban said, it sounds like we were down our starting DB's and safety at various points based on whatever was going through the team. Urban suggested it might have been a bad food situation, which can obviously wreak havoc on the stomach and ultimately on their hydration in a game played in hot temperatures.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 06, 2023, 04:04:39 PM
Any updates on the Trinity Tigers? Tucker Horn's/secondary's health?  Harmel's suspension?  Status of BJ Stewart?

Some very impactful determinations waiting to be made.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2023, 04:15:33 PM
I haven't heard anything official, but I wouldn't be surprised if Harmel's ejection was pretty quickly overturned.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 06, 2023, 06:55:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2023, 04:15:33 PM
I haven't heard anything official, but I wouldn't be surprised if Harmel's ejection was pretty quickly overturned.

Thanks, Pat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2023, 11:37:50 AM
SAA PoTWs announced (https://saa-sports.com/news/2023/9/5/saa-2023-football-report-week-1.aspx):
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2023, 02:33:46 PM
Trinity QB Tucker Horn has been nominated for the National Football Foundation's Campbell Trophy (https://twitter.com/NFFNetwork/status/1700196331132776474).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2023, 07:46:00 PM
Frank Rossi interviewed Coach Urban (https://x.com/frankrossi/status/1700272165105639710?s=46&t=oc0mz4VWUxBymGSQktvcSw) who said Harmel was cleared early in the week and will start tomorrow.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 08, 2023, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2023, 07:46:00 PM
Frank Rossi interviewed Coach Urban (https://x.com/frankrossi/status/1700272165105639710?s=46&t=oc0mz4VWUxBymGSQktvcSw) who said Harmel was cleared early in the week and will start tomorrow.
When TUTx plays at SJU in the semifinals, then instant replay will clear Harmel the next time he gives a SJU player such a hit.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 09, 2023, 04:21:51 PM
Final from Fulton, MO:  Sewanee 32, Westminister 14.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 09, 2023, 10:30:31 PM
While Berry didn't put hammer down as hard on LaGrange as what the Coast Guard Academy did to Anna Maria,  a score of 70-3 is a most definite beatdown.

Beyond Trinity beating UMHB,   Maryville is 2-0 against the SAA this year with a 34-23 win over Centre,   Rhodes beat Austin 19-17,  and Huntingdon wins the rivalry game with B-SC with a score of 16-0.

Hendrix is up on ETBU 31-28 at the 13:15 mark in the 4Q as I write this post.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2023, 10:52:56 PM
Congrats to Sewanee and I hope this carries over into SAA play.

The Trinity-UMHB was as tale of two halves.  First half was all offense (once UMHB's QB got comfortable).  Key play was the bang-bang punt block that set up UMHB at the 15 followed immediately by Harmel's first interception over the middle.  If not for some Trinity defenders trying to strip the ball instead of tackling on the Cru's last drive it would have been a 21-10 halftime, but credit to the Cru for taking advantage of what should have been a 15-yard completion that turned into about 40.

Second half defensive adjustments were obviously made on both sides and the going was much harder.  Trinity had a golden opportunity to put things in overdrive after their punt block but the Cru defense stiffened and then they missed a chip shot field goal (perhaps answering the WHY DIDN'T THEY GO FOR THE FIELD GOAL QUESTION we all asked (or maybe not)).  But then Harmel made a fairly spectacular second INT and this time Trinity took advantage.  UMHB could get to midfield but not much further the rest of the night, and then the Tigers expunged two decades of frustration with their insane drive in the fourth quarter, 13 plays, 85 yards, almost seven full minutes (forcing the Cru to use all their timeouts) with all but one play on the ground.  Trinity.  On the ground 12 of 13 plays.  It's a world gone mad!

The Cru's QB is much better than a "third-string" option and when he had time made plenty of good throws.  A player less explosive than Harmel might not make both the interceptions he suffered (especially the second, leaping grab).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 09, 2023, 11:19:19 PM
Hendrix-ETBU turned into a nail biter with ETBU holding off Hendrix after a late Hendrix TD, successful on-side kick, and missed field goal by Hendrix.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 09, 2023, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2023, 10:52:56 PM
Congrats to Sewanee and I hope this carries over into SAA play.


Thanks.   Coach Mac and company have some work to do as that score would have much wider except for a couple of penalties and a bit of poor execution on our part.  If we beat Millsaps next week, then we may be able to sneak in one or two more wins later in the season.

Trinity's win today helps the post-season aspirations.   An 0-2 start would have meant running the table in conference and that's looks like it would be really difficult to do in this league this year.

The head scratcher for me for B-SC's performance at Huntingdon.   Looking at the box score, it appears B-SC couldn't get anything out of their offense today.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 10, 2023, 10:29:48 AM
Complete offensive flip for Trinity yesterday - 234 yards on the ground, only 182 in the air. Think all the great D3 teams have to be able to pound the rock when necessary, so I was thrilled to see they could get that done against a big defensive front. Glad to be through that two-game gauntlet.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 10, 2023, 11:23:30 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 10, 2023, 10:29:48 AM
Complete offensive flip for Trinity yesterday - 234 yards on the ground, only 182 in the air. Think all the great D3 teams have to be able to pound the rock when necessary, so I was thrilled to see they could get that done against a big defensive front. Glad to be through that two-game gauntlet.

I'm so pumped they got this one, but the Gauntlet is just starting. @ BSC, then undefeated Rhodes, then @ Berry (looking gooooood), then of course TUs biggest rival in Centre.  :o
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 10, 2023, 11:29:24 AM
I'm not sure which was worse, the box score of the BSC-Huntingdon game, or actually watching it???  BSC defense injuries are piling up, but played well enough to win the game.  The offense of the other hand, wow, just terrible.  The highlight was a missed 34 yard FG attempt early in the first half, would have put us up 3-0.  If we don't have something hidden offensively to take into conference play, it's going to be a long season, unfortunately.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 10, 2023, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 10, 2023, 10:29:48 AM
Complete offensive flip for Trinity yesterday - 234 yards on the ground, only 182 in the air. Think all the great D3 teams have to be able to pound the rock when necessary, so I was thrilled to see they could get that done against a big defensive front. Glad to be through that two-game gauntlet.

The stats are a bit misleading.  On nearly every 1st down in the 2nd half, TU ran a dive into the line with very little success.  A few breakaway runs padded the average, but I wouldn't consider yesterday to be a strong running outing.  I understand wanting to run out the clock, but more diversity in the running game playbook would be useful.

After watching closely for the last three years, TU needs to shake off the caution after establishing a lead.  They often stall and give late opportunities to opponents.

A bright season ahead, but I hope the coaches unleash the full potential of an amazing cast of offensive characters.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: albatross on September 10, 2023, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 09, 2023, 11:19:19 PM
Hendrix-ETBU turned into a nail biter with ETBU holding off Hendrix after a late Hendrix TD, successful on-side kick, and missed field goal by Hendrix.

Brutal way for the Warriors to go down after dominating the first half. Gutsy calls by Coach Buchanan to try to give them the win (2 pt conversion was wide open but came up short), just couldn't be executed. Solid signs of life from this very young team -- just need to put a complete game together.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2023, 09:32:03 AM
The Week 2 D3football.com Top 25 (https://d3football.com/top25/2023/week2) is out and Trinity slips to #6 thanks to St. John's getting blown out by UW-W, reducing the perceived value of the week 1 result.  Hardin-Simmons jumps to #5 based on their impressive result at UW-LC and you can't fault anyone for voting a 2-0 team with two big wins over one that's 1-1.

Trinity fans now are in the unenviable position of hoping UMHB (or someone) can defeat HSU just to set up a home playoff game, assuming we get past BSC, a massively improved Berry team that's just outside the Top 25, and the rest of the SAA. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 11, 2023, 11:25:46 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2023, 09:32:03 AM

Trinity fans now are in the unenviable position of hoping UMHB (or someone) can defeat HSU just to set up a home playoff game, assuming we get past BSC, a massively improved Berry team that's just outside the Top 25, and the rest of the SAA. 

It will be interesting to see what happens in Danville this weekend when Berry visits Centre.   If they can do to Centre  what they've done to Huntingdon and LaGrange , then Trinity's trip to Georgia the following weekend won't be very pleasant.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2023, 11:57:10 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 11, 2023, 11:25:46 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2023, 09:32:03 AM

Trinity fans now are in the unenviable position of hoping UMHB (or someone) can defeat HSU just to set up a home playoff game, assuming we get past BSC, a massively improved Berry team that's just outside the Top 25, and the rest of the SAA. 

It will be interesting to see what happens in Danville this weekend when Berry visits Centre.   If they can do to Centre  what they've done to Huntingdon and LaGrange , then Trinity's trip to Georgia the following weekend won't be very pleasant.   

Berry plays the Colonels on the 23rd as this is their bye week.  While it will tend to confirm what we already know (that the Vikings are really good) IMO 0-2 Centre and 1-1 Trinity are not in the same zip code on the field this season. 

So far, Berry is doing most of their damage on the ground (over 360 yards/game, total offense over 500) while their defense is holding opponents under 200 ypg.  As Trinity takes pride in their rushing defense (under 75 ypg), if things proceed as expected the next two weeks it could be a case of the irresistible force facing the immovable object.  Trinity's offense has not been as explosive (just under 420 ypg) but they have faced two top-ten opponents.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 11, 2023, 12:41:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2023, 11:57:10 AM

Berry plays the Colonels on the 23rd as this is their bye week.  While it will tend to confirm what we already know (that the Vikings are really good) IMO 0-2 Centre and 1-1 Trinity are not in the same zip code on the field this season. 

So far, Berry is doing most of their damage on the ground (over 360 yards/game, total offense over 500) while their defense is holding opponents under 200 ypg.  As Trinity takes pride in their rushing defense (under 75 ypg), if things proceed as expected the next two weeks it could be a case of the irresistible force facing the immovable object.  Trinity's offense has not been as explosive (just under 420 ypg) but they have faced two top-ten opponents.

Well goodness.... I have no idea of what schedule I was looking  at when I posted that comment.   Centre's definitely not in the same tier as Trinity this season but I think they won't get blasted off the field by Berry like Huntingdon and LaGrange did.  The way that Berry won over Huntingdon in week 1 was part of why I found B-SC's performance this week so surprising.   B-SC is far outside the same tier as SJU and UMHB so will be surprised if Trinity doesn't leave Birmingham with a win.    But the old cliche is true: got to play the game.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 11, 2023, 01:21:37 PM
If BSC can't figure out how to move the football on offense, it won't matter.  I'm hoping we have something hidden waiting for this game. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2023, 08:16:52 AM
SAA Players of the week, Week 2: (https://saa-sports.com/news/2023/9/11/saa-2023-football-report-week-2.aspx)

Offense:  Blake Hembree, Sr. QB, Berry:  led Viking offense to a 70-3 victory over LaGrange, 70-3, completing 13-of-19 for 223 yards and three touchdowns in limited playing time, leaving the game after his efforts helped the team to a 44-3 halftime lead.

Defense:  Caleb Harmel, 5th year LB, Trinity:  led the Tiger defensive effort in a 35-16 win over nationally ranked Mary Hardin-Baylor.  His two interceptions and 18 return yards came at crucial times, and he added six total tackles and a pass breakup 

Special Teams:  Cam Tegge, Jr. K, Centre:  a perfect 3-for-3 in field goals and connected on both extra points to highlight the Colonels' kicking game.  He hit from distances of 34, 36, and 42 yards in the game, the last a career long.

Harmel was also the first SAA athlete named to the D3football.com Team of the Week (https://d3football.com/awards/tow/2023/week2) this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 13, 2023, 08:35:00 PM
FYI - the Trinity - BSC game on Saturday has moved to 11am CDT / 12pm EDT.

It is reflected on both teams websites.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 14, 2023, 01:29:55 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on September 13, 2023, 08:35:00 PM
FYI - the Trinity - BSC game on Saturday has moved to 11am CDT / 12pm EDT.

It is reflected on both teams websites.

The change in schedule is to accommodate Trinity's travel schedule.  They asked for the game to be moved, we obliged.  If we ever needed the same thing, I'm sure they would return the favor. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Trinity preview of matchup against B-SC:  https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/9/14/TUFB-BSC2023.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Trinity preview of matchup against B-SC:  https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/9/14/TUFB-BSC2023.aspx
Trinity by 45...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2023, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Trinity preview of matchup against B-SC:  https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/9/14/TUFB-BSC2023.aspx
Trinity by 45...

And if they don't live up to that line? Trinity will be No. 6 on one Region 3 fan ballot.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 15, 2023, 03:23:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2023, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Trinity preview of matchup against B-SC:  https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/9/14/TUFB-BSC2023.aspx
Trinity by 45...

And if they don't live up to that line? Trinity will be No. 6 on one Region 3 fan ballot.

Not really how that works, but if Trinity loses, they won't even be in the poll.  I'm hoping for another classic game from these two, but BSC is going to have to show something on offense it hasn't shown yet. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 15, 2023, 04:14:11 PM
If I was setting the line I'd probably go with Trinity +24, but it's so hard to do early in the season in D3.

And this could very well prove to be a trap game for Trinity. 2 monster opponents to start, you know those were massively emotional games. A tough loss on a long road trip to a historical power and a changing of the guard type of win against a not-so-far removed National Champion. Add to that both Rhodes and Berry are 2-0 while B-SC is coming off an offensively toothless appearance against a team that Berry blasted for 67 points and over 400 yards. B-SC managed 77 yards of offensive against Huntingdon on 43 plays. Berry racked up more than 1pt per offensive play against Huntingdon, B-SC couldn't manage 2 yards per play.

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Trinity come out flat and struggle or a while. But I suspect, even if Trinity is flat, B-SC is going to struggle to move the ball and it won't matter in the end.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 15, 2023, 05:10:16 PM
 BSC is going to have to come out swinging and punch Trinity right in the mouth. Hopefully build a multi score lead early before Trinity wakes up. Then BSC is going to have to hold on during the second half to keep the lead. That is the way I see it playing out. The question is if BSC has enough to connect that first haymaker and how much is left to hold on if they do. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2023, 05:20:30 PM
Having spoken to Trinity people after their most recent game, there's no way they aren't awake for this one, despite B-SC's first two results.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2023, 05:21:50 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 15, 2023, 03:23:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2023, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Trinity preview of matchup against B-SC:  https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/9/14/TUFB-BSC2023.aspx
Trinity by 45...

And if they don't live up to that line? Trinity will be No. 6 on one Region 3 fan ballot.

Not really how that works, but if Trinity loses, they won't even be in the poll. 

Finding your logic hard to parse, I just wanted to clarify that there's no way I suggested Trinity would lose. I just figured that whatever arbitrarily crazy standard you had for them might prompt you to drop them if they don't win by 45.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 16, 2023, 12:33:41 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Trinity preview of matchup against B-SC:  https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/9/14/TUFB-BSC2023.aspx
Trinity by 45...

My metric for B-SC is McMurry which lost the B-SC by one this year but handily disposed of Millsaps.
Look at how badly UMHB beat McMurry last year.

Has McMurry improved that much this year? It appears that B-SC is not as strong as they were last year, losing more badly to a weaker Huntingdon squad.

Overall record: 1-9 - Conference: 1-7
All times Eastern   (* Conference; • D-III opponent)

9/3   vs. Birmingham-Southern •
@ Little Rock, Arkansas   L, 26-9   BX
9/10   vs. Millsaps •   L, 27-13   BX
9/17   vs. East Texas Baptist * •   L, 28-7   BX
9/24   at Southwestern * •   L, 38-33   BX
10/1   vs. Hardin-Simmons * •   L, 45-13   BX P
10/8   at Howard Payne * •   L, 30-18   BX
10/15   at Austin * •   W, 24-21   BX RC
10/22   vs. Texas Lutheran * •   L, 17-10   BX RC
10/29   at Sul Ross State * •   L, 33-27   BX
11/12   at Mary Hardin-Baylor * •   L, 62-3   BX
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 16, 2023, 07:12:56 AM
BSC lost quit a bit duiring our financial crisis of last year, especially off the offensive side of the ball.  We had some transfers come in, but they are by no means on the level of Jon Lewis and Byron Millsaps. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 16, 2023, 11:52:57 AM
Man, just pulled the weather report for BSC/TU.

74 partly cloudy and 3mph wind.  :o

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 16, 2023, 12:23:15 PM
Yeah. It's nice out here so long as the storms hold off. Trinity just marched an easy 99 yards for a TD.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 16, 2023, 01:11:40 PM
Wow - what a kick by Huettel. That looked like it could have been good from 60? (edit: maybe not, can't tell from the angle after rewatching - but still looked like he had plenty of leg). Love seeing him get some spotlight after he went from all-american punter to riding the bench when he transferred.

BSC had opportunities to get some shots in early, but weren't able to get anything going. Trinity now look like they are fully settled in after giving up some early drives that looked like it was giving BSC momentum.

I continue to be confused by the lack of involvement with BJ Stewart in the offense (I know he was out first two games). With his speed, you'd think he would be an every down WR, but that's definitely not the case.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2023, 01:21:37 PM
Always amazing what a difference a play or two makes.  Very first offensive play for B-SC a shoestring tackle stops them from what would have at least been a *very* long completion, then there was the pass into the end zone that the receiver almost pulled in. 

The Panther offensive line is giving McClary more time than either opponent we've faced, part of that is the scheme favoring quick, short passes.  But a big play on that fourth down where the defensive coverage was so tight that they were able to get pressure and forced McClary to scramble for a gain short of the first.   

And really happy for Huettel, it would have been easy to pack it in after being on the bench last season but instead he has turned himself into an excellent kicker.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 16, 2023, 01:51:09 PM
Extremely unnecessary late hit into BJ stewart's back there. Hope he's okay.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2023, 02:28:21 PM
And then we get called for the penalty.

Funny how after very few penalties have been called the first two weeks that these refs have called half a dozen holds on us (tho there were some pretty obvious ones to be sure). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 16, 2023, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Trinity preview of matchup against B-SC:  https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/9/14/TUFB-BSC2023.aspx
Trinity by 45...

Welp, Ralph, outside of one big play BSCs WR made, and a couple drive stalls from TU holding penalties, you would have been right on the money!

Great win for the Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 16, 2023, 02:55:06 PM
BJ Stewart didn't return that last punt. Hoping that was more so a "we're up big, no need to put him in" than a "he's hurt again" Couple of big plays given up by the D that's we'll need to clean up before Berry. And the multiple holding calls on big plays kept this game from getting into major blowout territory. All in all though, nice business trip.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 16, 2023, 04:04:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Trinity preview of matchup against B-SC:  https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/9/14/TUFB-BSC2023.aspx
Trinity by 45...
Okay ...only by 35...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 16, 2023, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 16, 2023, 04:04:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Trinity preview of matchup against B-SC:  https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/9/14/TUFB-BSC2023.aspx
Trinity by 45...
Okay ...only by 35...

Maybe Pat is right and they'll get the nod to #4 in the fan poll after todays showing
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 16, 2023, 04:40:26 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 16, 2023, 01:11:40 PM
Wow - what a kick by Huettel. That looked like it could have been good from 60? (edit: maybe not, can't tell from the angle after rewatching - but still looked like he had plenty of leg). Love seeing him get some spotlight after he went from all-american punter to riding the bench when he transferred.

BSC had opportunities to get some shots in early, but weren't able to get anything going. Trinity now look like they are fully settled in after giving up some early drives that looked like it was giving BSC momentum.

I continue to be confused by the lack of involvement with BJ Stewart in the offense (I know he was out first two games). With his speed, you'd think he would be an every down WR, but that's definitely not the case.

Idk Tigerguy...check this out

The shadow line on the track is every bit of ten yards + behind the field. "Idk what the announcer is saying!." Doesn't look like a low kick to me. 58-62 range depending on trajectory of it coming down - if it would have hit the cross bar or not.... Another thing the tigers have in their arsenal.

https://x.com/stxcowboy2/status/1703097321766932554?s=46
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 16, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
Sewanee holds off a late Majors rally to win first conference game in years, Sewanee 27 - Millsaps 21.  #ysr #d3fb
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2023, 05:22:52 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 16, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
Sewanee holds off a late Majors rally to win first conference game in years, Sewanee 27 - Millsaps 21.  #ysr #d3fb

Congratulations!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 16, 2023, 05:25:44 PM
I went to the B-SC / Trinity game. B-SC is... not effective. Trinity is good. Very good. However, having seen UMHB at their peak, Wesley in some of their top years, Trinity doesn't look... that kind of good. More like Top 10-15 in the country rather than top 5-10. Still a very, very good team.

Yes, they took care of business today, but I very much think they took care of business against a very ordinary team. Better on defense than offense perhaps for B-SC, but that offense is... not good. No TDs in 2 complete games against Huntingdon and Trinity, and very easily bogged down in shorter fields.

Now this could have been a trap game for Trinity, and they clearly didn't let it be much of one. But I am very much looking forward to next weekend's matchup with Berry, who I think is a very solid program. It also will be Trinity's 3rd long road trip in 4 weeks, and 3rd very good opponent in 4 weeks. That's a brutal schedule, and Trinity will do well to come out 3-1.

But I don't think this is an inevitable type of team.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2023, 05:33:39 PM
Having seen them play all three weeks I'm confident in saying their offensive execution this week was not at the same level as the first two. 

And they still scored 38 points on the road.  They'll need to play (edit: better) against Berry to be sure, but next week is home against Rhodes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 16, 2023, 06:02:02 PM
Happy to see TU using more pitches and getting the ball out to the edge.  They struggled going up the middle the last two weeks.

Also, glad to see the tight end get a TD.  A much better mix of plays in BSU territory.

Tons of talent in the TU receiving corps.  All have great hands and quickly turn up field.  Such an advantage for Tucker Horn knowing all of his targets are reliable.

BJ Stewart was very good on returns and needs more attention going forward (hope he's alright after being tackled in the grasp).

Add in the kicker, Huettel (50 yards in DIII!), and things look very good for the offense going forward.

I'd note that DL Harris Good (All-SAA, All-region) didn't appear to play (hobbled several times against UMHB) and BSC had success running against the right side of the TU line.  Hope he's well and gets back on the field.

Clean up some penalties and continue to expand the playbook and things look very, very bright.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on September 16, 2023, 06:41:37 PM
Noticed that Good and Hampton didn't play. Also I didn't see either starting corner for TU play second Half. So, what is that 6/7 of 11 starters for two straight weeks on defense not get a full game. Trinity has depth. 9 or 10 guys at WR and 4 or 5 RBs tote the rock. They don't care about score or personal  stats. It's been this was for 3 years. Get out early, with offense, manage the game, then Run the ball and milk the clock and make the opponent have to get uncomfortable second half to come back.

I Would love to see some 50 burgers but that's not what their motive is. It's assignment football and execution. Next play is the only play. Love it!

Hope everyone is healthy and they can regroup for a very good Rhodes team next week.

SUDAAA! Go tigers

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 16, 2023, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2023, 05:33:39 PM
Having seen them play all three weeks I'm confident in saying their offensive execution this week was not at the same level as the first two. 

And they still scored 38 points on the road.  They'll need to play (edit: better) against Berry to be sure, but next week is home against Rhodes.

Good catch. +K. Don't know why I read the schedule wrong. Makes the schedule a little more manageable I guess.

And I'm going to say that most of the holding penalties were very obvious holds. I mean, at least 3 of them were blatant, and, like every game, I certainly saw a few more. So not surprised they got tagged for a few more.

It was a long field goal. Very impressive. Probably had another 5-8 yards of leg vs whatever it was officially.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2023, 10:26:01 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 16, 2023, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2023, 05:33:39 PM
Having seen them play all three weeks I'm confident in saying their offensive execution this week was not at the same level as the first two. 

And they still scored 38 points on the road.  They'll need to play (edit: better) against Berry to be sure, but next week is home against Rhodes.

Good catch. +K. Don't know why I read the schedule wrong. Makes the schedule a little more manageable I guess.

And I'm going to say that most of the holding penalties were very obvious holds. I mean, at least 3 of them were blatant, and, like every game, I certainly saw a few more. So not surprised they got tagged for a few more.

It was a long field goal. Very impressive. Probably had another 5-8 yards of leg vs whatever it was officially.

Thanks for the on-the-scene confirmation of the calls, it's hard to tell watching video but I certainly saw my share of correct holding calls.  What I should have said instead was that after two pretty clean penalty weeks for Trinity, this week was not.  Something else they need to clean up before Berry.  +k to you as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 18, 2023, 10:37:18 AM
After absorbing what happened on Saturday, I'm ready to talk again.  I'll say this, the offense of BSC lacks playmakers. Our QB had nothing but green in front of him, that last year he would have taken off and picked up 20, he pulled up and threw an incomplete pass instead.  We did move the ball, but couldn't finish a drive.  Everything that made Matt(QB) good last season doesn't seem to be there this year.  He's not using his legs, we don't have a power running back, even though Kobe(RB) did step up this weekend, and our receivers haven't made that spectacular, game changing catch yet. 

On defense, we didn't cover the edges, at all.  Tucker picked us apart on the edges, all day.  We did have our kicker back this weekend, I would have like to see us be a little more aggressive going for 3 early on, especially first drive, to see if we could get a quick lead and gain some confidence. 

On to Southwestern this week and hopefully it's a get right week for us. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on September 21, 2023, 08:25:05 AM
It looks like the Trinity - Rhodes game in San Antonio has moved to an earlier start time of 4pm CDT.  I'm guessing to accommodate return travel for Rhodes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2023, 05:23:44 PM
Nice story about Graham's own Tucker Horn (https://www.timesrecordnews.com/story/sports/college/football/2023/09/22/former-graham-football-player-tucker-horn-shining-at-trinity-university/70903701007/) of Trinity in the Wichita Falls Times Record News from Cory Hogue.  It's paywalled, but I was able to get in once after disabling my ad blocker (as requested).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 22, 2023, 07:12:06 PM
Tucker has had a great career and deserves every accolade that comes his way, like a diploma and get that kid graduated already.......
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 23, 2023, 02:59:32 PM
BSC has done jsut about everything wrong.  Currently 24-6 Southwestern.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 23, 2023, 03:04:30 PM
Make that 26-6 as we just gave up a safety....
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 23, 2023, 03:27:24 PM
BSC responded at the end of the half to bring it to 26-13 and BSC gets the ball after halftime. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2023, 03:54:08 PM
Berry with another big outburst on the ground today, 49-16 over Centre.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 23, 2023, 05:35:56 PM
The BSC of today is not the BSC of before the financial crisis.  Defense can't get off the field on 3rd down, no matter how long it is, and the offense can't sustain a drive inside the 40 yard line.  To many errors today, 4 turnovers, kick return teams forgot how to catch a football, and not sure why we are in shotgun formation inside our own 1 yard line, which puts out QB about 5 yards deep into the end zone.  A lot needs to be fixed, quickly.

Lost to Southwestern, freaking Southwestern!!!  43-20......... ::)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 23, 2023, 06:40:24 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on September 23, 2023, 05:35:56 PM
The BSC of today is not the BSC of before the financial crisis.  Defense can't get off the field on 3rd down, no matter how long it is, and the offense can't sustain a drive inside the 40 yard line.  To many errors today, 4 turnovers, kick return teams forgot how to catch a football, and not sure why we are in shotgun formation inside our own 1 yard line, which puts out QB about 5 yards deep into the end zone.  A lot needs to be fixed, quickly.

Lost to Southwestern, freaking Southwestern!!!  43-20......... ::)
Hey, you still beat McMurry.

And you might beat Millsaps.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 24, 2023, 01:32:33 PM
Good game for Urban to get some of his young guys experience to ensure they are ready should injuries come up late in the season. Pretty sure a lot of the starters never played after halftime, and by the end I think Urban had cleared the bench - including backup kickers(!) - which you normally don't see. Would have loved to see Horn get some more time to pad his stats/resume for Gallardi, but can't be much more perfect that 12/15 for 220 and 4 TDs in a half of action. But definitely the right move to protect him for the rest of the season. Felt bad for the DBs trying to cover Merrifield yesterday - sheesh. Believe he tied three other players for Trinity's single-game record of 4. Although I'm fairly certain all of those other players played the entire game to get there, rather than one half.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 24, 2023, 01:38:19 PM
Also - I'll continue to proclaim this for all to hear: Trinity has the best broadcast production-wise in D3. Their in-game graphics and camera angles are spot on. There aren't unnecessary transitions. They obviously don't have a dedicated broadcaster (pretty sure its just students), but you can't beat the production.

What are some other solid D3 broadcasts that are comparable? UMHB usually has a good one, but there were some production issues the last time we played there. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2023, 02:02:53 PM
Ithaca is always among the best operations as well. I haven't watched a ton of Wabash football but Wabash basketball is really well produced so I would bet the same is true about football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 24, 2023, 03:57:13 PM
It's for sure not Southwestern.  As far as I could tell there were two cameras at yesterdays game, one was being operated by a crack head.  Why during play the camera should ever be showing the wonderful central Texas horizon is beyond me, but we got it a lot yesterday. 

I've honestly have never watched a BSC home broadcast, so I don't know how good or bad we are. 

I will say this about Southwestern, they had a pretty nice pregame show, just need to work on camera operation. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on September 24, 2023, 04:58:57 PM
Wabash fb broadcasts are really, really good.  Multiple cameras, replays, graphics.  The cameras are well placed, close to the field, and of high quality.  The announcers have been doing the games for many years, and they are real pros; both work at the College.  The video production is handled entirely by students--and this with no communications program at Wabash.  The SID does a superior job of training the crew.  He works closely with the excellent student bb broadcasters as well.  If you think I am biased, tune in sometime to both the fb and bb feeds.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 24, 2023, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: sigma one on September 24, 2023, 04:58:57 PM
Wabash fb broadcasts are really, really good.  Multiple cameras, replays, graphics.  The cameras are well placed, close to the field, and of high quality.  The announcers have been doing the games for many years, and they are real pros; both work at the College.  The video production is handled entirely by students--and this with no communications program at Wabash.  The SID does a superior job of training the crew.  He works closely with the excellent student bb broadcasters as well.  If you think I am biased, tune in sometime to both the fb and bb feeds.

Just watched some prior Wabash broadcasts. Your descriptions were accurate - their production is also excellent. I amend my proclamation to be that Trinity's broadcast continues to be one of the best in D3! Would still be interested in knowing some other good broadcasts across the landscape so I can take a look.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 25, 2023, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2023, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: sigma one on September 24, 2023, 04:58:57 PM
Wabash fb broadcasts are really, really good.  Multiple cameras, replays, graphics.  The cameras are well placed, close to the field, and of high quality.  The announcers have been doing the games for many years, and they are real pros; both work at the College.  The video production is handled entirely by students--and this with no communications program at Wabash.  The SID does a superior job of training the crew.  He works closely with the excellent student bb broadcasters as well.  If you think I am biased, tune in sometime to both the fb and bb feeds.

Just watched some prior Wabash broadcasts. Your descriptions were accurate - their production is also excellent. I amend my proclamation to be that Trinity's broadcast continues to be one of the best in D3! Would still be interested in knowing some other good broadcasts across the landscape so I can take a look.

Lot of really good broadcasts out there now.  Certainly Wabash and Trinity are in the top tier.  Some others that I think do a really good job: North Central, Wheaton, Chapman, St. John's (when you can get it at no cost in the playoffs!), most of the WIACs (though getting to a La Crosse game is wonky through their broadcast partner's website).  Grove City had a good stream though I don't love Vimeo- most have moved away from that platform by now. 

Really there are way more good streams out there now than not.  There seems to have been a lot of standardization of platforms amongst conferences which has really helped raise the baseline quality for streams across the board.  It's pretty rare now that I fire up a game stream and I think it's just flat out bad. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on September 29, 2023, 07:21:41 PM
The SAA has a big weekend ahead with Trinity @ Berry headlining.  For BSC, we really need to rally this weekend, get a win over what should be an over matched Millsaps team at 4pm local time. 

We knew this season would be different after the financial situation of last spring, losing our HC and a few starters from last season.  I don't think we expected this type of fall.  We will punch through this season, obviously taking our lumps and hopefully grow and improve during the season.  What better time to start than 4pm tomorrow afternoon?

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 29, 2023, 10:05:29 PM
Clash of a smash mouth run team (berry) against a stonewall run defense (Trinity). Didn't bode well for Berry last year, as the score didn't reflect the yardage differential. Berry has two stud RBs, but I think they'll need to mix it up in the air to have overall success against Trinity. Hopefully an excellent game. I know most folks (including Hansenratings) have this as less than a one score game. I think Trinity makes this a statement game and win by 10, minimum.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Riley Zayas on September 30, 2023, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 29, 2023, 10:05:29 PM
Clash of a smash mouth run team (berry) against a stonewall run defense (Trinity). Didn't bode well for Berry last year, as the score didn't reflect the yardage differential. Berry has two stud RBs, but I think they'll need to mix it up in the air to have overall success against Trinity. Hopefully an excellent game. I know most folks (including Hansenratings) have this as less than a one score game. I think Trinity makes this a statement game and win by 10, minimum.

Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines. I don't think it is nearly as close as some expect. Trinity is a very dominant team and the pass defense has been one of the more impressive things I've seen from the Tigers. They're good in coverage, and Harmel is a real challenge for opposing QBs. So unsure how much Berry will really be able to go to the air. Guessing they'll try to wear that defensive front down but with Trinity's depth, Berry may struggle with that strategy too.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 30, 2023, 01:50:47 PM
WOAH! Berry is hitting Trinity in the mouth. Big play after big play, and Trinity has now kicked two FGs with first downs inside the 7. If Trinity can't clean this up quick, this one is going to be too out of hand. Props to Berry for making my opinion look completely foolish so far. They look great.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 30, 2023, 02:16:29 PM
Calmed down a bit and didn't let it get away from them. Not sure what Urban was doing to end the half, especially knowing you don't get ball back to start. Would have liked to see some more urgency there.

Good news for Trinity is that four of Berry's 24 plays account for 229 of their total 338. You cut those out in the second half and you're dealing with something a lot more manageable. I've been frustrated with Trinity's red zone offense all season, especially near the goal line. It's rearing its head today again. You convert even one of the two drives that stalled within the 5 and the second half starts much more manageable.

Berry has a very strong O-line and their RBs are pounding it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 30, 2023, 03:05:38 PM
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL D3 COMMUNICATION DIRECTORS: Please, for the love of God, tell your camera men to watch the game through the lens for those viewing and not for themselves. Missed like 3 TDs so far! I can't tell if we're getting burnt or if these are just amazing throws.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 30, 2023, 03:15:58 PM
Tyler Huettel at Kicker is an absolute weapon - my goodness. Confirmed that Urban obviously made a massive mistake not going to him for the FG to win it against St. John's.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 30, 2023, 03:54:12 PM
I'm really struggling with Urban's thought process on Trinity's last play. Why would you not kick a field goal if all you're going to do is hand off? Those 2-3 extra seconds run off the clock would be the same on a field goal - make or miss. But I guess, he's the coach I'm not.

No clue how to evaluate this game. Secondary got completely torched which is what I expected needed to happen for Berry to make this a game. Secondary has always been the weak link of this defense. Due to the bad video coverage, I wasn't able to see what happened. It looked like on at least one, defender might have fallen down, but if guys are getting straight beat that's a problem because Caleb Harmel and the line can't be everwhere. Berry didn't have a score under 35 yards, with scores of 53, 35, 53, 88, and 58 - yikes.

But man oh man was the offense humming. Tucker Horn another fantastic game. At the end of the day, a 9 point win against a clearly top-25 team in Berry should be something to celebrate, but they need to figure out what the heck happened in the secondary today. Would love to see Berry get a pool C. They can do some damage in the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2023, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 30, 2023, 03:54:12 PM
I'm really struggling with Urban's thought process on Trinity's last play. Why would you not kick a field goal if all you're going to do is hand off? Those 2-3 extra seconds run off the clock would be the same on a field goal - make or miss. But I guess, he's the coach I'm not.

No clue how to evaluate this game. Secondary got completely torched which is what I expected needed to happen for Berry to make this a game. Secondary has always been the weak link of this defense. Due to the bad video coverage, I wasn't able to see what happened. It looked like on at least one, defender might have fallen down, but if guys are getting straight beat that's a problem because Caleb Harmel and the line can't be everwhere. Berry didn't have a score under 35 yards, with scores of 53, 35, 53, 88, and 58 - yikes.

But man oh man was the offense humming. Tucker Horn another fantastic game. At the end of the day, a 9 point win against a clearly top-25 team in Berry should be something to celebrate, but they need to figure out what the heck happened in the secondary today. Would love to see Berry get a pool C. They can do some damage in the playoffs.

You don't kick a FG because of the possibility of a block, return for TD, and then an onside.   One TD doesn't hurt you with a nine-point lead and 35 seconds to play (and no timeouts) no matter what kind of crazy play they pull out of their *** going for two.  I was wondering why you're handing the ball off instead of just taking a knee given the chance of something crazy happening on the handoff or a tackle.   

I was pretty shook after that simple run off tackle made it 29-13.  Fortunately our men and our coaches are made of sterner stuff, because it took a lot to come back after repeatedly taking on those gut punches in the first 22+ minutes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2023, 04:22:32 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 30, 2023, 03:05:38 PM
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL D3 COMMUNICATION DIRECTORS: Please, for the love of God, tell your camera men to watch the game through the lens for those viewing and not for themselves. Missed like 3 TDs so far! I can't tell if we're getting burnt or if these are just amazing throws.

That 52-yarder ties the Trinity all-division record.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 30, 2023, 04:27:08 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2023, 04:20:30 PM

You don't kick a FG because of the possibility of a block, return for TD, and then an onside.   One TD doesn't hurt you with a nine-point lead and 35 seconds to play (and no timeouts) no matter what kind of crazy play they pull out of their *** going for two.  I was wondering why you're handing the ball off instead of just taking a knee given the chance of something crazy happening on the handoff or a tackle.   

I was pretty shook after that simple run up the gut made it 29-13.  Fortunately our men and our coaches are made of sterner stuff, because it took a lot to come back after repeatedly taking on those gut punches in the first 22+ minutes.

After I typed my message out, I had the same clock - damage control definitely takes priority there. I guess with the knee vs. run you're hoping to just run a few seconds off. Coming back from down 16 after all the punches they were taking took some heart. Similar to getting down a quick two TDs to Centre last year, but I wasn't as worried in that game. Berry didn't look like they'd let up enough for us to get back in it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2023, 05:03:40 PM
On another note, Sewanee gets a hard-fought 20-19 win at Hendrix to go to 3-1.  That's already the most wins in a season since 2018 and I can see them picking up a couple more, which would be the best since 2011.  Congrats to the Mountain Tigers - Andy McCollum has done a heck of a job so far.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on September 30, 2023, 05:54:57 PM
I lost the feed from Hendrix in the middle of the 2Q so didn't get to see the entire game.     I'm thinking we will be competitive in four of our remaining 6.  Any wins Sewanee picks up in the rest of the season will have to happen on the road as the rest of our home schedule has us playing B-SC,  Berry, and Trinity with away games at Rhodes, Centre, and Southwestern.

The big thing program-wise is that we've got a bunch of freshmen out on the field this year getting experience.

Both Trinity and Berry should win-out the rest of their schedules.  It that happens,  hoping that Berry is in the running for a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2023, 06:06:44 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 30, 2023, 05:54:57 PM
I lost the feed from Hendrix in the middle of the 2Q so didn't get to see the entire game.     I'm thinking we will be competitive in four of our remaining 6.  Any wins Sewanee picks up in the rest of the season will have to happen on the road as the rest of our home schedule has us playing B-SC,  Berry, and Trinity with away games at Rhodes, Centre, and Southwestern.

The big thing program-wise is that we've got a bunch of freshmen out on the field this year getting experience.

Both Trinity and Berry should win-out the rest of their schedules.  It that happens,  hoping that Berry is in the running for a Pool C bid.

B-SC is apparently down a QB - either that or they started someone who went 0-5 last week and so far this week is 5-13 for 48 yards to shake things up - so if that continues a W there isn't outside the realm of possibility.  And funny things happen.   

I only picked up a little of the first half and the fourth quarter but the HX announcers couldn't complement your defense enough!

Berry's SOS isn't going to be the best - Huntingdon and LaGrange will basically cancel each other out so they'll end up around .500.  They'll be in the running but it depends on who else will be left. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on September 30, 2023, 07:40:03 PM
Hansen Ratings as of now puts Berry's chances at a paltry .8%. https://hansenratings.github.io/2023%20Season%20Simulation.html

They were 14th in his overall ratings prior to this week, and I'm sure their output against Trinity won't drop that much, if at all. But yes, their SOS is not great. Hopefully Huntington can get regionally ranked to help them out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 01, 2023, 10:16:58 AM
We has an anemic offense with our 2nd year starter, rumor I heard was Tommy John surgery, I have not confirmed that, for Matt.  This week we started our 2nd string, and it went as well as you'd expect, unfortunately.  We are struggling more than we thought we would after some transferred out last season, it really hurts watching our guys play and not get the results they are used to.  But BSC will rise again, and we aren't done yet this season. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2023, 08:27:34 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 30, 2023, 07:40:03 PM
Hansen Ratings as of now puts Berry's chances at a paltry .8%. https://hansenratings.github.io/2023%20Season%20Simulation.html

They were 14th in his overall ratings prior to this week, and I'm sure their output against Trinity won't drop that much, if at all. But yes, their SOS is not great. Hopefully Huntington can get regionally ranked to help them out.

He hasn't updated this set with Saturday's results yet (as of this writing it says "through games of 9/24" and Berry's Pool A chances still show as 37.5%).  I would imagine the Pool C chance to be a bit higher but not much.  In the "predictive rankings," which have been updated, they went from 14 to 15 (conversely, Trinity improved from 6 to 5).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2023, 05:04:41 PM
Nice post-game interviews by JB (https://x.com/FrankRossi/status/1708942750412832908?s=20) of Inside the D3FB Huddle with Trinity's Harris Good, Tyler Huettel, and Coach Urban. 

Not going to spoil all of it, but according to Coach Urban, Trinity had some travel issues which resulted in them not getting to their hotel until after midnight, which might help account for some of the slow start.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Riley Zayas on October 02, 2023, 05:50:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2023, 05:04:41 PM
Nice post-game interviews by JB (https://x.com/FrankRossi/status/1708942750412832908?s=20) of Inside the D3FB Huddle with Trinity's Harris Good, Tyler Huettel, and Coach Urban. 

Not going to spoil all of it, but according to Coach Urban, Trinity had some travel issues which resulted in them not getting to their hotel until after midnight, which might help account for some of the slow start.

Quote that stuck out to me from Urban..."We've played some really great programs this year. That's the best team we've played."

I wouldn't disagree. If Berry plays like that against UMHB or SJU, they'd certainly have a chance to win it. The Vikings are for real and could make the SAA very interesting for years to come.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 06:02:07 PM
I hope this is true. I think Division III football is more interesting with a team from Georgia or Alabama that is a contender.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 02, 2023, 06:08:40 PM
The ASC, ODAC and USAC are only getting one team this year.  If Berry's only loss is to Trinity, and Trinity wins out, which I expect them to do, Berry should be in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: FLALTX on October 02, 2023, 06:14:07 PM
Being at all three games, they are equal to this years SJU and UMHB teams. Very disciplined and VERY fast on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 06:25:19 PM
This all may be true, but a non-conference schedule of Huntingdon and LaGrange might not be enough to separate them from other at-large teams when you only have four at-large bids.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 02, 2023, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 06:25:19 PM
This all may be true, but a non-conference schedule of Huntingdon and LaGrange might not be enough to separate them from other at-large teams when you only have four at-large bids.

Huntingdon will end up winning the USAC and only have one loss, that being to Berry.  Makes an easy travel to bring Huntingdon back to Berry for the first round.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 02, 2023, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 06:25:19 PM
This all may be true, but a non-conference schedule of Huntingdon and LaGrange might not be enough to separate them from other at-large teams when you only have four at-large bids.

Huntingdon will end up winning the USAC and only have one loss, that being to Berry.  Makes an easy travel to bring Huntingdon back to Berry for the first round.

Ease of travel is not one of the criteria for selecting at-large teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 02, 2023, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 02, 2023, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 06:25:19 PM
This all may be true, but a non-conference schedule of Huntingdon and LaGrange might not be enough to separate them from other at-large teams when you only have four at-large bids.

Huntingdon will end up winning the USAC and only have one loss, that being to Berry.  Makes an easy travel to bring Huntingdon back to Berry for the first round.

Ease of travel is not one of the criteria for selecting at-large teams.

You 100% sure about that???   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 02, 2023, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 02, 2023, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 06:25:19 PM
This all may be true, but a non-conference schedule of Huntingdon and LaGrange might not be enough to separate them from other at-large teams when you only have four at-large bids.

Huntingdon will end up winning the USAC and only have one loss, that being to Berry.  Makes an easy travel to bring Huntingdon back to Berry for the first round.

Ease of travel is not one of the criteria for selecting at-large teams.

You 100% sure about that???   ;)

Yes, 100.0% sure.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 03, 2023, 06:03:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 06:25:19 PM
This all may be true, but a non-conference schedule of Huntingdon and LaGrange might not be enough to separate them from other at-large teams when you only have four at-large bids.

Who at this point in the season do we think will be the other team looking to get a Pool C bid?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 03, 2023, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 03, 2023, 06:03:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2023, 06:25:19 PM
This all may be true, but a non-conference schedule of Huntingdon and LaGrange might not be enough to separate them from other at-large teams when you only have four at-large bids.

Who at this point in the season do we think will be the other team looking to get a Pool C bid?

Conference play has just started. Every year there is a very active conversation in the national thread about who is in the running.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 12:17:10 PM
Doesn't look like BJ Stewart has played since that late hit he took to his back against BSC. Huge weapon gone on special teams. Anybody know if he's out for the season?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 07, 2023, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 12:17:10 PM
Doesn't look like BJ Stewart has played since that late hit he took to his back against BSC. Huge weapon gone on special teams. Anybody know if he's out for the season?

Well his Freshman fill in just housed a punt return for TD. Hopefully BJ is okay.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 12:44:27 PM
Think that might be the first time I've seen Horn under center all season on those goal-line sets. If so, I like that Urban is trying new things to fix the short-yards redzone issues we've had.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 05:42:17 PM
Welp, Huntington didn't help Berry at all today - sheesh.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 07, 2023, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 05:42:17 PM
Welp, Huntington didn't help Berry at all today - sheesh.

Yea that stinks. I thought Huntingdon was going claw back into it but kept shooting themselves in the foot....Would have been good for the SAA to have that OOC game over a conference champion. Still a lot of ball to play though.

The Pool C will be wild this year. WIAC teams still Have to beat each other. HSU just got a big boost as well with UWL beating UWW, but Neither has played UWRF yet as well. HSU also has to beat UMHB.

However, Berry still has a boost currently (I would think) with Trinity beating UMHB. If St John's, Trinity and Berry all finish 9-1 I think Berry will get discussed or at least a look. They need to keep winning by 40+ to stay in the spotlight for regional rankings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on October 07, 2023, 08:32:51 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 07, 2023, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 05:42:17 PM
Welp, Huntington didn't help Berry at all today - sheesh.

Yea that stinks. I thought Huntingdon was going claw back into it but kept shooting themselves in the foot....Would have been good for the SAA to have that OOC game over a conference champion. Still a lot of ball to play though.

The Pool C will be wild this year. WIAC teams still Have to beat each other. HSU just got a big boost as well with UWL beating UWW, but Neither has played UWRF yet as well. HSU also has to beat UMHB.

However, Berry still has a boost currently (I would think) with Trinity beating UMHB. If St John's, Trinity and Berry all finish 9-1 I think Berry will get discussed or at least a look. They need to keep winning by 40+ to stay in the spotlight for regional rankings.

Rivalry games are always tough. Please continue to doubt UMHB because they are not the same team that went 0-3. They will be ready in all facets of the game just like in years past.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 09:14:38 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 07, 2023, 08:32:51 PM

Rivalry games are always tough. Please continue to doubt UMHB because they are not the same team that went 0-3. They will be ready in all facets of the game just like in years past.

Uh - wasn't this a quote from you earlier in the season: "I will not be surprised if we lose all NC games and lose to HSU later in the season." Not sure why you're slamming Cowboy for simply suggesting the same thing you did.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 07, 2023, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 07, 2023, 08:32:51 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 07, 2023, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 05:42:17 PM
Welp, Huntington didn't help Berry at all today - sheesh.

Yea that stinks. I thought Huntingdon was going claw back into it but kept shooting themselves in the foot....Would have been good for the SAA to have that OOC game over a conference champion. Still a lot of ball to play though.

The Pool C will be wild this year. WIAC teams still Have to beat each other. HSU just got a big boost as well with UWL beating UWW, but Neither has played UWRF yet as well. HSU also has to beat UMHB.

However, Berry still has a boost currently (I would think) with Trinity beating UMHB. If St John's, Trinity and Berry all finish 9-1 I think Berry will get discussed or at least a look. They need to keep winning by 40+ to stay in the spotlight for regional rankings.

Rivalry games are always tough. Please continue to doubt UMHB because they are not the same team that went 0-3. They will be ready in all facets of the game just like in years past.

Yea I know about rivalry games.

Never said I doubt UMHB, HSU Can't be the man until you beat the man, and if you look back I've actually voted for UMHB each week when half the pollsters wrote them off. They are a Top 25 team on talent alone no matter what their record is. Same with HSU. I was more so responding to the fact Berry had the best chance at a Pool C over anyone else in R3 at this point.

If HSU beats UMHB they'll have 4 Ls. If UMHB beats HSU then they have two. Berry has 1.

Doesn't look that good when HSU beat UWL who beat UWW who beat UMHB who you assume will beat HSU. They wouldn't take an 8-2 HSU team, if we finish that high, when most likely UWRF takes the WIAC and UWL has 2 Ls and UWW has 2 Ls as well.

Hand me the pencil.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 08, 2023, 12:58:41 PM
BSC finally brought the offense to the game with them.  It was parents day on the mountain, they were having an inter squad baseball game, and football.  If all the parents tried to go into the stadium, it would have been double capacity, but most of them had no idea what was going on with football.  It was a beautiful weather day for football and thankfully BSC receivers learned how to catch this week.  The QB for Sewanee is a stud and has completely changed that program over last year.  What felt like a high school game experience last season on the mountain, this year had a great crowd and atmosphere.  Sewanee is always a nice trip, and of course is nicer when you bring home the win. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2023, 02:52:27 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 07, 2023, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 07, 2023, 08:32:51 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 07, 2023, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 05:42:17 PM
Welp, Huntington didn't help Berry at all today - sheesh.

Yea that stinks. I thought Huntingdon was going claw back into it but kept shooting themselves in the foot....Would have been good for the SAA to have that OOC game over a conference champion. Still a lot of ball to play though.

The Pool C will be wild this year. WIAC teams still Have to beat each other. HSU just got a big boost as well with UWL beating UWW, but Neither has played UWRF yet as well. HSU also has to beat UMHB.

However, Berry still has a boost currently (I would think) with Trinity beating UMHB. If St John's, Trinity and Berry all finish 9-1 I think Berry will get discussed or at least a look. They need to keep winning by 40+ to stay in the spotlight for regional rankings.

Rivalry games are always tough. Please continue to doubt UMHB because they are not the same team that went 0-3. They will be ready in all facets of the game just like in years past.

Yea I know about rivalry games.

Never said I doubt UMHB, HSU Can't be the man until you beat the man, and if you look back I've actually voted for UMHB each week when half the pollsters wrote them off. They are a Top 25 team on talent alone no matter what their record is. Same with HSU. I was more so responding to the fact Berry had the best chance at a Pool C over anyone else in R3 at this point.

If HSU beats UMHB they'll have 4 Ls. If UMHB beats HSU then they have two. Berry has 1.

Doesn't look that good when HSU beat UWL who beat UWW who beat UMHB who you assume will beat HSU. They wouldn't take an 8-2 HSU team, if we finish that high, when most likely UWRF takes the WIAC and UWL has 2 Ls and UWW has 2 Ls as well.

Hand me the pencil.
I think that there is too much of a log jam of teams that have 2 losses to be considered among the 4 and only 4 Pool C bids.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on October 08, 2023, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 09:14:38 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 07, 2023, 08:32:51 PM

Rivalry games are always tough. Please continue to doubt UMHB because they are not the same team that went 0-3. They will be ready in all facets of the game just like in years past.

Uh - wasn't this a quote from you earlier in the season: "I will not be surprised if we lose all NC games and lose to HSU later in the season." Not sure why you're slamming Cowboy for simply suggesting the same thing you did.

Well played!

I definitely was worried and wasn't sure what would happen. I've been encouraged by the growth over the last 4 weeks. Didn't know what I would see.

UMHB will obviously come in as the underdog and will be ranked lower than HSU. Just saying things have been changing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: umhb2001 on October 08, 2023, 03:52:27 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 07, 2023, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 07, 2023, 08:32:51 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 07, 2023, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 07, 2023, 05:42:17 PM
Welp, Huntington didn't help Berry at all today - sheesh.

Yea that stinks. I thought Huntingdon was going claw back into it but kept shooting themselves in the foot....Would have been good for the SAA to have that OOC game over a conference champion. Still a lot of ball to play though.

The Pool C will be wild this year. WIAC teams still Have to beat each other. HSU just got a big boost as well with UWL beating UWW, but Neither has played UWRF yet as well. HSU also has to beat UMHB.

However, Berry still has a boost currently (I would think) with Trinity beating UMHB. If St John's, Trinity and Berry all finish 9-1 I think Berry will get discussed or at least a look. They need to keep winning by 40+ to stay in the spotlight for regional rankings.

Rivalry games are always tough. Please continue to doubt UMHB because they are not the same team that went 0-3. They will be ready in all facets of the game just like in years past.

Yea I know about rivalry games.

Never said I doubt UMHB, HSU Can't be the man until you beat the man, and if you look back I've actually voted for UMHB each week when half the pollsters wrote them off. They are a Top 25 team on talent alone no matter what their record is. Same with HSU. I was more so responding to the fact Berry had the best chance at a Pool C over anyone else in R3 at this point.

If HSU beats UMHB they'll have 4 Ls. If UMHB beats HSU then they have two. Berry has 1.

Doesn't look that good when HSU beat UWL who beat UWW who beat UMHB who you assume will beat HSU. They wouldn't take an 8-2 HSU team, if we finish that high, when most likely UWRF takes the WIAC and UWL has 2 Ls and UWW has 2 Ls as well.

Hand me the pencil.

Completely agree. The conference is still wide open.

HSU needs their 1QB back. They do, they come in heavily favored. Especially playing at home.

UMHB loses and they are out. They are already in playoff mode.

Berry is definitely in the drivers seat for that C bid.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2023, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 08, 2023, 12:58:41 PM
BSC finally brought the offense to the game with them.  It was parents day on the mountain, they were having an inter squad baseball game, and football.  If all the parents tried to go into the stadium, it would have been double capacity, but most of them had no idea what was going on with football.  It was a beautiful weather day for football and thankfully BSC receivers learned how to catch this week.  The QB for Sewanee is a stud and has completely changed that program over last year.  What felt like a high school game experience last season on the mountain, this year had a great crowd and atmosphere.  Sewanee is always a nice trip, and of course is nicer when you bring home the win.

Helped to have your QB1 back; without him I don't think the Panthers win.  But Sewanee is definitely a team on the rise and may represent the toughest challenge remaining on Trinity's schedule.  Congrats on the win.

Trinity was a little jet-lagged from the Berry game; good enough to get the job done against a lesser opponent but have two weeks to rest up and get the offense back on track.  For whatever reason the running game simply did not work.   The wind was pretty stiff at times, which had an impact on both teams' passing games.  The punt return teams continued to do an excellent job of blocking, as they have done most of the season, and Lamont Nickelberry followed up last week's team record punt return yardage with what will hopefully be the first of a number of return TDs.  He has a very long stride but is plenty fast, on the replay you can just see him leaving people in his dust. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: awadelewis on October 09, 2023, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2023, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 08, 2023, 12:58:41 PM
BSC finally brought the offense to the game with them.  It was parents day on the mountain, they were having an inter squad baseball game, and football.  If all the parents tried to go into the stadium, it would have been double capacity, but most of them had no idea what was going on with football.  It was a beautiful weather day for football and thankfully BSC receivers learned how to catch this week.  The QB for Sewanee is a stud and has completely changed that program over last year.  What felt like a high school game experience last season on the mountain, this year had a great crowd and atmosphere.  Sewanee is always a nice trip, and of course is nicer when you bring home the win.

Helped to have your QB1 back; without him I don't think the Panthers win.  But Sewanee is definitely a team on the rise and may represent the toughest challenge remaining on Trinity's schedule.  Congrats on the win.


We're seeing a lot of younger players getting time on the field.   Talent level has gone up because of that and all of our guys are putting a lot more work on and off the field.   Means we're not getting out-talented on the field like we have been in the past.   The big rivalry game for us this year is upon us with the trip to Memphis to play those people by the Zoo. And word is the recruiting is looking well for next year.   

Family Weekend definitely influenced the turnout but success is attracting more people to games rather than having them to going off to the fraternities or drinking societies.  Tailgating hasn't been a thing on the Mountain until after people starting coming back after Covid.   The Trinity game occurs on Party Weekend (known to the non-Sewanee people as "Homecoming")  this year so I expect a crowd for that one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2023, 07:44:36 PM
I've been on the Berry bandwagon but after watching their pathetic display of unsportsmanlike conduct at the end of the first half against a very much overmanned Millsaps team you can take me off of it. 

Up 43-7 with about three minutes left in the half and Millsaps with the ball, Berry starts taking timeouts so they can put yet another score on the board.

On third and forever after stopping the Majors well short one player tries to rip the ball out of the Majors QB's hands after he is well down.  Flags fly everywhere (four of them, plus a hat).  Two of the penalties offset, the third is assessed against the Vikings player who was being a turd.

On the very next play, a pass interference call against the Vikings.

On the next, a Vikings player is ejected for targeting the Millsaps QB as he was sliding.

Berry gets the ball back a few plays later after forcing the Millsaps QB to fumble and on the very next play score off a well-executed reverse.  A Berry player shoves a Millsaps defender into the pole vault pit to pick up yet another unsportsmanlike penalty.

So yay, Berry, you have a 50-7 lead at the half and you're playing with absolutely no class.  Congratulations. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on October 16, 2023, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2023, 07:44:36 PM
I've been on the Berry bandwagon but after watching their pathetic display of unsportsmanlike conduct at the end of the first half against a very much overmanned Millsaps team you can take me off of it. 

Up 43-7 with about three minutes left in the half and Millsaps with the ball, Berry starts taking timeouts so they can put yet another score on the board.

On third and forever after stopping the Majors well short one player tries to rip the ball out of the Majors QB's hands after he is well down.  Flags fly everywhere (four of them, plus a hat).  Two of the penalties offset, the third is assessed against the Vikings player who was being a turd.

On the very next play, a pass interference call against the Vikings.

On the next, a Vikings player is ejected for targeting the Millsaps QB as he was sliding.

Berry gets the ball back a few plays later after forcing the Millsaps QB to fumble and on the very next play score off a well-executed reverse.  A Berry player shoves a Millsaps defender into the pole vault pit to pick up yet another unsportsmanlike penalty.

So yay, Berry, you have a 50-7 lead at the half and you're playing with absolutely no class.  Congratulations.

That's just dirty.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 16, 2023, 01:41:10 PM
Pitiful. Terrible example from the coaching staff.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 16, 2023, 01:49:48 PM
We brought home another conference win with a 16-15 victory over Hendrix.  We have a bye this week before finishing at Rhodes, home with Berry and at Centre.  Right now our goal is to win out and finish 6-4 and ruin Berry's opportunity at the Pool C bid. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2023, 05:29:22 PM
Unfortunately B-SC is having to sue the state of Alabama, whose treasurer suddenly decided not to offer the loan everyone thought was forthcoming.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/10/alabama-denies-bailout-funds-to-birmingham-southern-college-files-suit.html
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 18, 2023, 05:49:37 PM
TUTX & SW just became more valuable to the SAA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 18, 2023, 06:23:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2023, 05:29:22 PM
Unfortunately B-SC is having to sue the state of Alabama, whose treasurer suddenly decided not to offer the loan everyone thought was forthcoming.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/10/alabama-denies-bailout-funds-to-birmingham-southern-college-files-suit.html

You guys are quick at getting this news out. Boozer, state treasurer was appointed to his position by Ivey, governor, who was also against BSC getting funding. There has been a lawsuit filed and hopefully this is just posturing that will end before the week does. The last thing the school needs is this dragging out another 6 months, at that point, it won't matter if they get the funding or not, they won't have any students left.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 18, 2023, 09:26:23 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 18, 2023, 06:23:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2023, 05:29:22 PM
Unfortunately B-SC is having to sue the state of Alabama, whose treasurer suddenly decided not to offer the loan everyone thought was forthcoming.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/10/alabama-denies-bailout-funds-to-birmingham-southern-college-files-suit.html

You guys are quick at getting this news out. Boozer, state treasurer was appointed to his position by Ivey, governor, who was also against BSC getting funding. There has been a lawsuit filed and hopefully this is just posturing that will end before the week does. The last thing the school needs is this dragging out another 6 months, at that point, it won't matter if they get the funding or not, they won't have any students left.

For a contrarian thought...

What if the state treasurer has assessed the property value, the quality of the leadership of B-SC in place to pay back the loan, the assets available beyond the market value of the university property, the demand for a campus in Birmingham where it is located and determined that it is a loan that he does not want to make? What if he does not want his name, his reputaton, and his legacy tied to a B-SC deal that went under?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 18, 2023, 09:44:34 PM
The dude is 74 years younger or and a state treasurer, what kind of reputation does a state treasurer need to live off of?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2023, 06:20:02 AM
From this AL.com article (https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/10/architect-of-birmingham-southern-bailout-disgusted-by-states-denial-of-funding.html) it seems more likely that the dude was dead set against the entire program from the get go, lobbied against it, and had to be forced to even make the program available by the state AG.

Expedited court hearing set for this afternoon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 08:07:14 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2023, 06:20:02 AM
From this AL.com article (https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/10/architect-of-birmingham-southern-bailout-disgusted-by-states-denial-of-funding.html) it seems more likely that the dude was dead set against the entire program from the get go, lobbied against it, and had to be forced to even make the program available by the state AG.

Expedited court hearing set for this afternoon.

The news reports makes it sound like this guy has an ax to grind for some reason and isn't working in the best interest of the state. But also that the school already has a loan from a private bank for $16.5 mil that is holding it up. Comes down to who is the first lender and gets priority in being paid back if the school defaults. I'm just ready for this financial nightmare to end.

Last weekend was homecoming and was supposed to be the launch of the next phase of fundraising and that got hijacked by this decision of the treasurer, further hindering the schools efforts and momentum. The treasurer is from BHM, wonder if he got jilted by a girlfriend when he was a kid and she choose a kid going to BSC??? 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 19, 2023, 09:12:10 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 08:07:14 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2023, 06:20:02 AM
From this AL.com article (https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/10/architect-of-birmingham-southern-bailout-disgusted-by-states-denial-of-funding.html) it seems more likely that the dude was dead set against the entire program from the get go, lobbied against it, and had to be forced to even make the program available by the state AG.

Expedited court hearing set for this afternoon.

The news reports makes it sound like this guy has an ax to grind for some reason and isn't working in the best interest of the state. But also that the school already has a loan from a private bank for $16.5 mil that is holding it up. Comes down to who is the first lender and gets priority in being paid back if the school defaults. I'm just ready for this financial nightmare to end.

Last weekend was homecoming and was supposed to be the launch of the next phase of fundraising and that got hijacked by this decision of the treasurer, further hindering the schools efforts and momentum. The treasurer is from BHM, wonder if he got jilted by a girlfriend when he was a kid and she choose a kid going to BSC???

The Treasurer has been against this plan from the start. So when they gave him the ultimate final say, something that I think was added late in the process at his request, it always made this sketchy. He also has an axe to grind against ServisFirst for some reason, probably because the bank big wigs donated to his opponent in a previous election though I'm too lazy to go check that, so he wants to put the state funds ahead of a loan that already claims first priority. Basically, B-SC is in big trouble. Which, honestly, has always been the case.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 09:59:43 AM
On a personal note, I need BSC to exist until the end of spring semester, get my child graduated.  We will continue to support their efforts, but it won't have the same drastic result for us after that.  Hopefully there is a result from the hearing today, but I'm not expecting anything immediate, unfortunately.  Hard to believe that the future of this school is being held up by one person who is letting his emotion get involved over what the state has already agreed to. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2023, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 08:07:14 AM
The treasurer is from BHM, wonder if he got jilted by a girlfriend when he was a kid and she choose a kid going to BSC???

Really?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on October 19, 2023, 10:22:22 AM
Not sure if any of y'all Southwestern or Trinity folks are interested in Photography.  Precision Camera (Austin camera store) is doing a sports photography class with field level access for the game this weekend for only $99.  Since I'm NOT driving to Sherman this weekend for the UMHB game, I figured I'd sign up.  I've done it before and it is a ton of fun.  Here is the link to the class if anyone is interested:


https://www.precision-camera.com/sports-with-robert-backman-shoot-like-a-pro/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 10:31:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2023, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 08:07:14 AM
The treasurer is from BHM, wonder if he got jilted by a girlfriend when he was a kid and she choose a kid going to BSC???

Really?

Sarcasm, not everything posted is serious.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 10:31:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2023, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 08:07:14 AM
The treasurer is from BHM, wonder if he got jilted by a girlfriend when he was a kid and she choose a kid going to BSC???

Really?

Sarcasm, not everything posted is serious.

Obviously, but even as sarcasm, it's a pretty ridiculous suggestion in this day and age.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 10:31:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2023, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 08:07:14 AM
The treasurer is from BHM, wonder if he got jilted by a girlfriend when he was a kid and she choose a kid going to BSC???

Really?

Sarcasm, not everything posted is serious.

Obviously, but even as sarcasm, it's a pretty ridiculous suggestion in this day and age.

You seem to disagree with most of my post a lot, so it doesn't suppose me that you are picking apart this one as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2023, 02:11:31 PM
Pretty sure it's only the posts where you clung to the weird flex that somehow Trinity should be fifth in the region.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2023, 02:11:31 PM
Pretty sure it's only the posts where you clung to the weird flex that somehow Trinity should be fifth in the region.

And like I said, for the first half of the Berry game I looked like a freaking genius.   ;D 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 19, 2023, 04:30:11 PM
I'll go with the best thing that could happen to the BSC campus would be a merger or takeover by Highlands College, they have $ behind them and a strong following. Obviously, they would have to want too bite off more than just running a bible college but I got to believe running a 4 year liberal arts college would suit the church of the highlands  well, I'd rebrand it Birmingham Highlands College, BHC. Unless BSC can actually collect the money it has pledged which doesn't seem to be the case nor has that figure grown in awhile things look dire for them. Clearly, the state treasurer has screwed BSC and the state legislature over with his actions, pretty vile on his part but having a court rule for BSC seems like a long shot but who knows.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2023, 06:53:21 PM
No resolution in today's hearing (BSC v. Boozer) (https://www.al.com/news/2023/10/judge-questions-whether-court-can-order-state-treasurer-to-issue-loan-to-save-birmingham-southern.html).  "The judge did not announce a decision but said he would move the case quickly and scheduled another hearing for next week," which turns out to be Wednesday.  However:

Quote[Judge] Anderson said he was sympathetic to Birmingham-Southern's position and the urgency of its request. But the judge raised the question of whether the Legislature gave the state treasurer discretion over whether to approve loans.

"The State Treasurer may. in his or her judgment, award a loan to any eligible institution that meets the requirements provided in this section," the law says.

Anderson noted the Legislature's language, "may, in his or her judgment, award a loan." He said lawmakers could have used the word "shall" award a loan if their intent was to limit the treasurer's discretion and require the treasurer to issue loans to colleges that met the criteria.

B-SC lawyers stated a decision needs to be rendered by Oct 30th to allow Trustees time to make the call regarding the school's  survival after this semester. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 19, 2023, 08:57:34 PM
As much confidence I had in the spring that this would get done, I'm struggling right now. We don't have months to get past this guy, we have days. If this guy decides to go on vacation we're screwed.

As far as Highlands College, it's a possibility, but not sure if they are quite ready for that. It's not the answer I want for BSC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 19, 2023, 10:16:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2023, 06:53:21 PM
No resolution in today's hearing (BSC v. Boozer) (https://www.al.com/news/2023/10/judge-questions-whether-court-can-order-state-treasurer-to-issue-loan-to-save-birmingham-southern.html).  "The judge did not announce a decision but said he would move the case quickly and scheduled another hearing for next week," which turns out to be Wednesday.  However:

Quote[Judge] Anderson said he was sympathetic to Birmingham-Southern's position and the urgency of its request. But the judge raised the question of whether the Legislature gave the state treasurer discretion over whether to approve loans.

"The State Treasurer may. in his or her judgment, award a loan to any eligible institution that meets the requirements provided in this section," the law says.

Anderson noted the Legislature's language, "may, in his or her judgment, award a loan." He said lawmakers could have used the word "shall" award a loan if their intent was to limit the treasurer's discretion and require the treasurer to issue loans to colleges that met the criteria.

B-SC lawyers stated a decision needs to be rendered by Oct 30th to allow Trustees time to make the call regarding the school's  survival after this semester.

That "may" instead of "shall" is quite ominous for BSC's future. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on October 19, 2023, 10:56:53 PM
I don't know the parties of any of these politicians so I feel free to say this but this is why no one like, trust or believes in government anymore. If one dude was going to be given the power to pretty much decide the fate of the loan for BSC then that should have happened before the semester started.

Reminds me of the situation with the delayed FAFSA where I am sure there are good intentions but the execution is not going well. "The 2024–25 FAFSA will be delayed until December 2023 due to changes the US Department of Education is implementing to make the application more streamlined for students and families." Only in government could you say a delay in a process is so that it can be streamlined.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2023, 08:41:40 AM
Quote from: crufootball on October 19, 2023, 10:56:53 PM
I don't know the parties of any of these politicians so I feel free to say this but this is why no one like, trust or believes in government anymore. If one dude was going to be given the power to pretty much decide the fate of the loan for BSC then that should have happened before the semester started.

Reminds me of the situation with the delayed FAFSA where I am sure there are good intentions but the execution is not going well. "The 2024–25 FAFSA will be delayed until December 2023 due to changes the US Department of Education is implementing to make the application more streamlined for students and families." Only in government could you say a delay in a process is so that it can be streamlined.

This is Alabama. If it is a statewide office, there is only one party it can be. As for the rest, it has been abundantly clear the Treasurer has been against this since the beginning and has done everything possible to shut it down. It's possible giving him the final approval was the legislature's plan all along to cover their own rear while not having to disburse the money.... It was never a popular proposal, but it passed because there was enough opposition to things like spending more money on the Montgomery Whitewater Waterpark that it looked ridiculous to deny an educational institution. This way they get to say they did their jobs and it's not their fault the loan was not approved.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 20, 2023, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2023, 08:41:40 AM
Quote from: crufootball on October 19, 2023, 10:56:53 PM
I don't know the parties of any of these politicians so I feel free to say this but this is why no one like, trust or believes in government anymore. If one dude was going to be given the power to pretty much decide the fate of the loan for BSC then that should have happened before the semester started.

Reminds me of the situation with the delayed FAFSA where I am sure there are good intentions but the execution is not going well. "The 2024–25 FAFSA will be delayed until December 2023 due to changes the US Department of Education is implementing to make the application more streamlined for students and families." Only in government could you say a delay in a process is so that it can be streamlined.

This is Alabama. If it is a statewide office, there is only one party it can be. As for the rest, it has been abundantly clear the Treasurer has been against this since the beginning and has done everything possible to shut it down. It's possible giving him the final approval was the legislature's plan all along to cover their own rear while not having to disburse the money.... It was never a popular proposal, but it passed because there was enough opposition to things like spending more money on the Montgomery Whitewater Waterpark that it looked ridiculous to deny an educational institution. This way they get to say they did their jobs and it's not their fault the loan was not approved.

That's the scenario that worries me.  We need spring semester, once that is complete I will still support BCS but will be doing it from a much more comfortable spot, personally. 

As far as FAFSA, I know here in Alabama they were going to make it mandatory for graduating high school seniors to fill out the FAFSA form to graduate.  Didn't matter if you were headed to college or not.  I don't like FAFSA, and to make it mandatory is ridiculous.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Jay Murry on October 20, 2023, 01:02:02 PM

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Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on October 20, 2023, 02:40:50 PM
I know we always are quick to say something nefarious is afoot, and I have no personal knowledge of what is going on. But, is it possible that the Treasurer is doing his fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers and something came up in the actual loan application that made the loan much more risky? I saw mention of a ~16 million loan from a bank, obviously the bank didn't think it was responsible to loan the money.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2023, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 20, 2023, 02:40:50 PM
I know we always are quick to say something nefarious is afoot, and I have no personal knowledge of what is going on. But, is it possible that the Treasurer is doing his fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers and something came up in the actual loan application that made the loan much more risky? I saw mention of a ~16 million loan from a bank, obviously the bank didn't think it was responsible to loan the money.

It's entirely possible. But... given the Treasurer has been vocally disapproving of this deal since it was first kicked around, and the legislature crafted the program specifically to award it to B-SC first, it is more like Young Boozer (yes, the Treasurer's actual name) is simply following through on his lobbying against the legislation despite losing in the legislature. Is it nefarious? I suppose that depends on what side of the legislative vote you fall on.

Personally I think knowing that Boozer would obstruct it at all costs was probably how it was passed in the first place, since it was not particularly popular. I was kind of surprised the state Attorney General forced Boozer to continue the process at all late in the summer, when Boozer first tried to argue the legislation was illegal and then tried to stall the application process so long it would have been useless. Boozer failed at that, so this is his third or fourth attempt at killing the program.

Considering the only requirements set by legislature are: eligible colleges must have operated in the state for 50-plus years, be in financial distress that could force a closure and have assets available to use as collateral, it's hard to believe B-SC doesn't fit this criteria. It's possible they have already pledged the entirety of their assets to a different loan, but I doubt it. So B-SC should meet the requirements, and the Treasurer does not have any responsibility other than determining those three requirements. Of course, then the legislature got sneaky and gave him the final say-so outside those requirements, which is why I think B-SC might be toast.

According to the legislation, there is no fiduciary duty. Either the applicant meets the requirements or not. However, according to the legislation, there is no reason for the Treasurer to actually care either. It was either very shoddy legislation, or my guess about it's true purpose, a lot of CYA and no chance of award, is really what was done and Boozer is just playing the role given to him.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 20, 2023, 04:27:05 PM
I mean it is pretty ironic that given the whole point of the legislation was to give money to a distressed institution that the state treasurer than refuses to give money because the institution is what too distressed?  I do believe it's in the state's best interest for the BSC campus to be viable liberal arts school and that is going to take some money.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on October 20, 2023, 04:29:40 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 20, 2023, 02:40:50 PM
I know we always are quick to say something nefarious is afoot, and I have no personal knowledge of what is going on. But, is it possible that the Treasurer is doing his fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers and something came up in the actual loan application that made the loan much more risky? I saw mention of a ~16 million loan from a bank, obviously the bank didn't think it was responsible to loan the money.

That very well could be the case but all of this just feels like modern politics where things appear to be a game of chicken. I know things are not this simple but if BSC was not going to be approved for the loan and that is there only hope of staying in business that should have been said before the semester started and people could have made appropriate plans, now hundreds of people are in no mans land ....again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2023, 04:58:59 PM
I really wonder how much of the endowment is unencumbered. (Sorry if my glossary of terms is slightly imprecise.)

I know that trust wording and other similar monies that add to the college's "bottom line" are commonly re-directed to another not-for-profit in the event that the college or organization ceases to exist. That $16.5M bank loan about which I did not know may cut into the assets that the university can use.

The other question that has not been asked is how much entitlement did B-SC think it had with legislators who might be able to bail them out. That is another aspect that rubs against voters who have a world view that each person or entity should be a wise steward of his/her resources and not waste what has been given to them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 20, 2023, 05:11:39 PM
That's the questionable side of the treasurer that is not sitting well with us. He claimed it wasn't legal, so the AG had to get involved and tell him if it was passed into law, then it is legal. The treasurer is the me the bad the wording changed that ultimately gave him the authority to deny a loan, the original wording he had no authority to deny. If BSC has successfully completed the application and meets the requirement, he should be required to authorize, and that a what is in question now. The judge overseeing the case is trying to find out if he can refunds the treasurer to approve the loan or not.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2023, 08:20:34 AM
More from AL.com (https://www.al.com/news/2023/10/why-state-treasurer-young-boozer-said-he-turned-down-birmingham-southerns-loan-request.html) on the BSC situation:

Quote"In response to the loan application submitted under the Alabama Distressed Institution of Higher Education Loan Program, this is to advise you that Birmingham-Southern College does not meet the minimum statutory qualifications for receiving credit from the program," Boozer wrote. "The loan request is denied."

"After a thorough review of the application and all supporting documents, it has been determined that Birmingham-Southern College cannot provide the State a first security interest in its collateral assets," Boozer wrote. "Additionally, the institution's financial restructuring plan does not adequately provide for repayment of the loan."

Lawyer representing Boozer "told Montgomery County Circuit Judge James Anderson that the state would file a motion to dismiss the case, claiming that Boozer has sovereign immunity."
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 21, 2023, 08:58:47 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2023, 08:20:34 AM
More from AL.com (https://www.al.com/news/2023/10/why-state-treasurer-young-boozer-said-he-turned-down-birmingham-southerns-loan-request.html) on the BSC situation:

Quote"In response to the loan application submitted under the Alabama Distressed Institution of Higher Education Loan Program, this is to advise you that Birmingham-Southern College does not meet the minimum statutory qualifications for receiving credit from the program," Boozer wrote. "The loan request is denied."

"After a thorough review of the application and all supporting documents, it has been determined that Birmingham-Southern College cannot provide the State a first security interest in its collateral assets," Boozer wrote. "Additionally, the institution's financial restructuring plan does not adequately provide for repayment of the loan."

Lawyer representing Boozer "told Montgomery County Circuit Judge James Anderson that the state would file a motion to dismiss the case, claiming that Boozer has sovereign immunity."

Well that doesn't sound good........  :'(
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 21, 2023, 02:19:08 PM
Looking back, its now so funny to me that Urban chose not to get Huetel out there to kick a 20 yarder for the win against St. John's, but now has absolute confidence in him to routinely trot him out there for 48-52 yarders.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 02:38:24 PM
Huettel seems to be going through an extended pre-kick routine this game.  Looks like he's overthinking things.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 02:42:23 PM
Trinity receivers have amazing hands.  Rare to see a drop even in coverage.  What a confidence booster for Tucker Horn (and the backups).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 21, 2023, 03:07:08 PM
Wasn't the biggest fan of Trinity's wild-cat plays within the 5, but I appreciate Urban testing out some new play sets for the playoffs. Trinity's inside-the-ten offense has not been great this year, so at least coaching staff is trying to get creative.

Sloppy penalties from defense. Got to cut that junk out before playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 21, 2023, 03:07:08 PM
Wasn't the biggest fan of Trinity's wild-cat plays within the 5, but I appreciate Urban testing out some new play sets for the playoffs. Trinity's inside-the-ten offense has not been great this year, so at least coaching staff is trying to get creative.

Sloppy penalties from defense. Got to cut that junk out before playoffs.

Recommend taking a look at Collin Bishop's (TU QB #15) HUDL page from high school.  He was phenomenal running the wildcat.  Using him in this fashion reminds me of how Florida initially used Tim Tebow to give them that option in the red zone.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/10127323/Collin-Bishop
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 21, 2023, 06:47:58 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 21, 2023, 03:07:08 PM
Wasn't the biggest fan of Trinity's wild-cat plays within the 5, but I appreciate Urban testing out some new play sets for the playoffs. Trinity's inside-the-ten offense has not been great this year, so at least coaching staff is trying to get creative.

Sloppy penalties from defense. Got to cut that junk out before playoffs.

Recommend taking a look at Collin Bishop's (TU QB #15) HUDL page from high school.  He was phenomenal running the wildcat.  Using him in this fashion reminds me of how Florida initially used Tim Tebow to give them that option in the red zone.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/10127323/Collin-Bishop

Yea he's pretty stout and reminded me of Tebow as well.... Has Played some safety too. Very physical QB.

Their QB room had a good afternoon, obviously a testament to the OL for giving them protection and the WRs for securing completions:

Horn 23/30
Back 6/8
Bishop 4/5
Vaske 2/3

Would hate to pick who has the strongest arm. They were threading darts all over the field.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Bmo on October 21, 2023, 07:33:34 PM
Trinity might have broken a couple of single-game school records today for team total offense (710) and team passing offense (560).  And tied the Team Passing TD mark of 7.   The most I can find from the SCAC era are 701 yards in total offense against Redlands in 2004 and 510 passing yards against Gustavus in 2001.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 08:45:09 PM
Really enjoying the Rhodes - Hendrix game.  Lots of offense and some impressive catches.

29 - 20 Hendrix just before half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 09:20:58 PM
I'll add that the Hendrix announcers are super!  Well informed, smooth delivery and the main announcer has a great voice.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2023, 09:34:04 PM
Quote from: Bmo on October 21, 2023, 07:33:34 PM
Trinity might have broken a couple of single-game school records today for team total offense (710) and team passing offense (560).  And tied the Team Passing TD mark of 7.   The most I can find from the SCAC era are 701 yards in total offense against Redlands in 2004 and 510 passing yards against Gustavus in 2001.

According to the TU game writeup, both the total and passing yardages were indeed all-time records.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 21, 2023, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 08:45:09 PM
Really enjoying the Rhodes - Hendrix game.  Lots of offense and some impressive catches.

29 - 20 Hendrix just before half.

What a game! Would have liked to see them kick the extra point to keep it going. There's been a lot of close games in SAA this year
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 21, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 21, 2023, 03:07:08 PM
Wasn't the biggest fan of Trinity's wild-cat plays within the 5, but I appreciate Urban testing out some new play sets for the playoffs. Trinity's inside-the-ten offense has not been great this year, so at least coaching staff is trying to get creative.

Sloppy penalties from defense. Got to cut that junk out before playoffs.

Recommend taking a look at Collin Bishop's (TU QB #15) HUDL page from high school.  He was phenomenal running the wildcat.  Using him in this fashion reminds me of how Florida initially used Tim Tebow to give them that option in the red zone.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/10127323/Collin-Bishop

To be clear, I very much appreciated the creativity and trying new things. Bishop should be able to get that done most of the time. What I didn't like was them running it back to back. I've noticed that on many inside the 5 sets, Trinity has resorted to running a similar play again and again on back to back plays, usually with very little success. I know wildcat is a little different because of the advantage it provides, so maybe running it back to back shouldn't irk me the same way I've seen them do other back to back goal line plays.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 10:14:13 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 21, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 21, 2023, 03:07:08 PM
Wasn't the biggest fan of Trinity's wild-cat plays within the 5, but I appreciate Urban testing out some new play sets for the playoffs. Trinity's inside-the-ten offense has not been great this year, so at least coaching staff is trying to get creative.

Sloppy penalties from defense. Got to cut that junk out before playoffs.


Recommend taking a look at Collin Bishop's (TU QB #15) HUDL page from high school.  He was phenomenal running the wildcat.  Using him in this fashion reminds me of how Florida initially used Tim Tebow to give them that option in the red zone.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/10127323/Collin-Bishop

To be clear, I very much appreciated the creativity and trying new things. Bishop should be able to get that done most of the time. What I didn't like was them running it back to back. I've noticed that on many inside the 5 sets, Trinity has resorted to running a similar play again and again on back to back plays, usually with very little success. I know wildcat is a little different because of the advantage it provides, so maybe running it back to back shouldn't irk me the same way I've seen them do other back to back goal line plays.

I agree.  I think at this point in a game well in-hand, they were using the opportunity to work on some things.  One thing Trinity does extremely well is play deep into their bench.  They don't run up scores or stats.  This philosophy is the main reason I view point differential to be a statistic of limited use.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 21, 2023, 10:17:41 PM
I'm just ready for all those guys to graduate and move on already.......
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 21, 2023, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 21, 2023, 08:45:09 PM
Really enjoying the Rhodes - Hendrix game.  Lots of offense and some impressive catches.

29 - 20 Hendrix just before half.

What a game! Would have liked to see them kick the extra point to keep it going. There's been a lot of close games in SAA this year

Truly an enjoyable game.  Couldn't get any closer even in the stats.  It's games like that one that remind me why the players are out there giving it their all even if they are not chasing the playoffs.  Hats off to both teams!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought this article was interesting on the BSC issues:

https://1819news.com/news/item/birmingham-southern-college-will-likely-close-have-mass-layoffs-at-end-of-fall-semester-without-30-million-state-loan-attorney-says

most interesting part to me:
Quote
"After a thorough review of the application and all supporting documents, it has been determined that Birmingham-Southern College can not provide the state a first security interest in its collateral assets."

"Additionally, the institution's financial restructuring plan does not adequately provide for repayment of the loan"
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 22, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Awesome photos! Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought this article was interesting on the BSC issues:

https://1819news.com/news/item/birmingham-southern-college-will-likely-close-have-mass-layoffs-at-end-of-fall-semester-without-30-million-state-loan-attorney-says

most interesting part to me:
Quote
"After a thorough review of the application and all supporting documents, it has been determined that Birmingham-Southern College can not provide the state a first security interest in its collateral assets."

"Additionally, the institution's financial restructuring plan does not adequately provide for repayment of the loan"

Man!  Those are some truly superb photos!  Is Ryan Merrifield really smiling at the guys tackling him?  Sure looks like it.  The catch by Caleb Crawford falling backwards is ridiculous.  Tucker Horn looking menacing throwing into the camera.

Thanks so much for sharing these!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought this article was interesting on the BSC issues:

https://1819news.com/news/item/birmingham-southern-college-will-likely-close-have-mass-layoffs-at-end-of-fall-semester-without-30-million-state-loan-attorney-says

most interesting part to me:

Man!  Those are some truly superb photos!  Is Ryan Merrifield really smiling at the guys tackling him?  Sure looks like it.  The catch by Caleb Crawford falling backwards is ridiculous.  Tucker Horn looking menacing throwing into the camera.

Thanks so much for sharing these!

Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 22, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Awesome photos! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks! I love getting to shoot football games from field level. I've been shooting from the stands off and on for several years now. Doing this class has gotten me really wanting to upgrade gear again... I guess I should start making money if I decide that...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought this article was interesting on the BSC issues:

https://1819news.com/news/item/birmingham-southern-college-will-likely-close-have-mass-layoffs-at-end-of-fall-semester-without-30-million-state-loan-attorney-says

most interesting part to me:

Man!  Those are some truly superb photos!  Is Ryan Merrifield really smiling at the guys tackling him?  Sure looks like it.  The catch by Caleb Crawford falling backwards is ridiculous.  Tucker Horn looking menacing throwing into the camera.

Thanks so much for sharing these!

Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 22, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Awesome photos! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks! I love getting to shoot football games from field level. I've been shooting from the stands off and on for several years now. Doing this class has gotten me really wanting to upgrade gear again... I guess I should start making money if I decide that...

What gear did you use for these?  Were they touched up at all?  They are all fantastic!   I've shot my soccer daughter a bunch but can't seem to get the "wow" photos.  I hope you'll continue to shoot and share!  Thanks again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought this article was interesting on the BSC issues:

https://1819news.com/news/item/birmingham-southern-college-will-likely-close-have-mass-layoffs-at-end-of-fall-semester-without-30-million-state-loan-attorney-says

most interesting part to me:

Man!  Those are some truly superb photos!  Is Ryan Merrifield really smiling at the guys tackling him?  Sure looks like it.  The catch by Caleb Crawford falling backwards is ridiculous.  Tucker Horn looking menacing throwing into the camera.

Thanks so much for sharing these!

Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 22, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Awesome photos! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks! I love getting to shoot football games from field level. I've been shooting from the stands off and on for several years now. Doing this class has gotten me really wanting to upgrade gear again... I guess I should start making money if I decide that...

What gear did you use for these?  Were they touched up at all?  They are all fantastic!   I've shot my soccer daughter a bunch but can't seem to get the "wow" photos.  I hope you'll continue to shoot and share!  Thanks again.

I generally shoot with a Nikon D500 and either a nikon 70-200 f2.8 (more so for night games) or a Sigma 60-600mm (day games only because it is f5.6-6.3. A few in that gallery were shot with a loaner Fujifilm x-h2 and a 200mm f2 w/1.4x teleconverter.

Most were slightly tweaked in Adobe lightroom, mainly cropped, exposure adjusted by maybe 1/4 stop, and lens correction (makes a huge difference!) and then maybe a couple of tiny tweaks to some other stuff. Generally, I spend 20-3p seconds on a photo when I find one I really like because I kind of know the look I'm going for and have some scripted actions that get me 99 percent there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2023, 10:04:30 AM
Really nice shots, Etch.  Thanks.

While watching the blowout (and frying in the stands; you shouldn't be able to pick up a sunburn at a mid-October game, yet I look like a lobster this morning) it did amaze me that Coach Austin kept his QB1 in the game even after they were down 50. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 23, 2023, 10:06:55 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought this article was interesting on the BSC issues:

https://1819news.com/news/item/birmingham-southern-college-will-likely-close-have-mass-layoffs-at-end-of-fall-semester-without-30-million-state-loan-attorney-says

most interesting part to me:

Man!  Those are some truly superb photos!  Is Ryan Merrifield really smiling at the guys tackling him?  Sure looks like it.  The catch by Caleb Crawford falling backwards is ridiculous.  Tucker Horn looking menacing throwing into the camera.

Thanks so much for sharing these!

Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 22, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Awesome photos! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks! I love getting to shoot football games from field level. I've been shooting from the stands off and on for several years now. Doing this class has gotten me really wanting to upgrade gear again... I guess I should start making money if I decide that...

What gear did you use for these?  Were they touched up at all?  They are all fantastic!   I've shot my soccer daughter a bunch but can't seem to get the "wow" photos.  I hope you'll continue to shoot and share!  Thanks again.

I generally shoot with a Nikon D500 and either a nikon 70-200 f2.8 (more so for night games) or a Sigma 60-600mm (day games only because it is f5.6-6.3. A few in that gallery were shot with a loaner Fujifilm x-h2 and a 200mm f2 w/1.4x teleconverter.

Most were slightly tweaked in Adobe lightroom, mainly cropped, exposure adjusted by maybe 1/4 stop, and lens correction (makes a huge difference!) and then maybe a couple of tiny tweaks to some other stuff. Generally, I spend 20-3p seconds on a photo when I find one I really like because I kind of know the look I'm going for and have some scripted actions that get me 99 percent there.

Thanks for the insights.  You are inspiring me to take another swing.  Daughter is now in cross country and track so I should have some nice opportunities.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on October 23, 2023, 10:34:05 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 23, 2023, 10:06:55 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought this article was interesting on the BSC issues:

https://1819news.com/news/item/birmingham-southern-college-will-likely-close-have-mass-layoffs-at-end-of-fall-semester-without-30-million-state-loan-attorney-says

most interesting part to me:

Man!  Those are some truly superb photos!  Is Ryan Merrifield really smiling at the guys tackling him?  Sure looks like it.  The catch by Caleb Crawford falling backwards is ridiculous.  Tucker Horn looking menacing throwing into the camera.

Thanks so much for sharing these!

Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 22, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Awesome photos! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks! I love getting to shoot football games from field level. I've been shooting from the stands off and on for several years now. Doing this class has gotten me really wanting to upgrade gear again... I guess I should start making money if I decide that...

What gear did you use for these?  Were they touched up at all?  They are all fantastic!   I've shot my soccer daughter a bunch but can't seem to get the "wow" photos.  I hope you'll continue to shoot and share!  Thanks again.

I generally shoot with a Nikon D500 and either a nikon 70-200 f2.8 (more so for night games) or a Sigma 60-600mm (day games only because it is f5.6-6.3. A few in that gallery were shot with a loaner Fujifilm x-h2 and a 200mm f2 w/1.4x teleconverter.

Most were slightly tweaked in Adobe lightroom, mainly cropped, exposure adjusted by maybe 1/4 stop, and lens correction (makes a huge difference!) and then maybe a couple of tiny tweaks to some other stuff. Generally, I spend 20-3p seconds on a photo when I find one I really like because I kind of know the look I'm going for and have some scripted actions that get me 99 percent there.

Thanks for the insights.  You are inspiring me to take another swing.  Daughter is now in cross country and track so I should have some nice opportunities.

It is always a ton of fun.  If you're anywhere close to Austin I'd recommend doing one of the Precision Camera classes.  I've done a couple and they include full access as well as loaner gear.  The gear depends on which camera company is sponsoring that specific event.  I think this was the last football class of the year but they said they're planning on adding some Basketball and track classes.  They've partnered with Southwestern so it'll be one of their events.  I'm thinking of trying a baseball game this spring if they have one with UMHB.

As an example of where my process goes, first photo is the original image, second is the edited one:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-WMskNTJ/0/8871720c/X2/i-WMskNTJ-X2.jpg) (https://williambrown.smugmug.com/RandomShots/n-cPzFTg/i-WMskNTJ/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern/i-BcnBqb5/0/9840d1f2/X2/DSC_2141-X2.jpg) (https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern/i-BcnBqb5/A)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 23, 2023, 10:52:40 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 23, 2023, 10:34:05 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 23, 2023, 10:06:55 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 22, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought this article was interesting on the BSC issues:

https://1819news.com/news/item/birmingham-southern-college-will-likely-close-have-mass-layoffs-at-end-of-fall-semester-without-30-million-state-loan-attorney-says

most interesting part to me:

Man!  Those are some truly superb photos!  Is Ryan Merrifield really smiling at the guys tackling him?  Sure looks like it.  The catch by Caleb Crawford falling backwards is ridiculous.  Tucker Horn looking menacing throwing into the camera.

Thanks so much for sharing these!

Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 22, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on October 22, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Trinity vs Southwestern gallery.  I'll probably go back through it again to find pictures I like again this week...

https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern


Awesome photos! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks! I love getting to shoot football games from field level. I've been shooting from the stands off and on for several years now. Doing this class has gotten me really wanting to upgrade gear again... I guess I should start making money if I decide that...

What gear did you use for these?  Were they touched up at all?  They are all fantastic!   I've shot my soccer daughter a bunch but can't seem to get the "wow" photos.  I hope you'll continue to shoot and share!  Thanks again.

I generally shoot with a Nikon D500 and either a nikon 70-200 f2.8 (more so for night games) or a Sigma 60-600mm (day games only because it is f5.6-6.3. A few in that gallery were shot with a loaner Fujifilm x-h2 and a 200mm f2 w/1.4x teleconverter.

Most were slightly tweaked in Adobe lightroom, mainly cropped, exposure adjusted by maybe 1/4 stop, and lens correction (makes a huge difference!) and then maybe a couple of tiny tweaks to some other stuff. Generally, I spend 20-3p seconds on a photo when I find one I really like because I kind of know the look I'm going for and have some scripted actions that get me 99 percent there.

Thanks for the insights.  You are inspiring me to take another swing.  Daughter is now in cross country and track so I should have some nice opportunities.

It is always a ton of fun.  If you're anywhere close to Austin I'd recommend doing one of the Precision Camera classes.  I've done a couple and they include full access as well as loaner gear.  The gear depends on which camera company is sponsoring that specific event.  I think this was the last football class of the year but they said they're planning on adding some Basketball and track classes.  They've partnered with Southwestern so it'll be one of their events.  I'm thinking of trying a baseball game this spring if they have one with UMHB.

As an example of where my process goes, first photo is the original image, second is the edited one:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-WMskNTJ/0/8871720c/X2/i-WMskNTJ-X2.jpg) (https://williambrown.smugmug.com/RandomShots/n-cPzFTg/i-WMskNTJ/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern/i-BcnBqb5/0/9840d1f2/X2/DSC_2141-X2.jpg) (https://williambrown.smugmug.com/Football/College/2023-UMHB-Football/Trinity-vs-Southwestern/i-BcnBqb5/A)

Great recommendation, thanks.  Your minor edits add a lot - a little more visibility in darker areas and focus on the main subjects.  Very cool.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 25, 2023, 12:27:44 PM
https://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2023/defense-week/caleb-harmel#comment-6307305847

In case anyone missed this, it's a nice write-up on Caleb Harmel, middle linebacker at Trinity.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 25, 2023, 04:34:28 PM
For those keeping up, the judge threw out the lawsuit by BSC towards the state treasurer.  The college is currently determining what the next step is.  The problem with the law passed that would have given BSC the loan it needs to survive, it stats the treasurer "MAY" issue the loan instead of "SHALL" grant the loan, which gives the treasurer the right to deny, doesn't matter if the school qualifies per the law or not.  So possibly a run to the state Supreme Court is next. But right now, it's not looking good for BSC after this semester. 

Here to hoping for survival, I want more shots at Trinity, we have never beat you guys.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2023, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 25, 2023, 04:34:28 PM
For those keeping up, the judge threw out the lawsuit by BSC towards the state treasurer.  The college is currently determining what the next step is.  The problem with the law passed that would have given BSC the loan it needs to survive, it stats the treasurer "MAY" issue the loan instead of "SHALL" grant the loan, which gives the treasurer the right to deny, doesn't matter if the school qualifies per the law or not.  So possibly a run to the state Supreme Court is next. But right now, it's not looking good for BSC after this semester. 

Here to hoping for survival, I want more shots at Trinity, we have never beat you guys.

I hate scum (hint: not you or anyone at BSC).  Here's the story from AL.com:  https://www.al.com/news/2023/10/judge-says-he-will-dismiss-birmingham-southerns-lawsuit-seeking-30-million-state-loan.html
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: TLU02SA on October 25, 2023, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2023, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 25, 2023, 04:34:28 PM
For those keeping up, the judge threw out the lawsuit by BSC towards the state treasurer.  The college is currently determining what the next step is.  The problem with the law passed that would have given BSC the loan it needs to survive, it stats the treasurer "MAY" issue the loan instead of "SHALL" grant the loan, which gives the treasurer the right to deny, doesn't matter if the school qualifies per the law or not.  So possibly a run to the state Supreme Court is next. But right now, it's not looking good for BSC after this semester. 

Here to hoping for survival, I want more shots at Trinity, we have never beat you guys.

I hate scum (hint: not you or anyone at BSC).  Here's the story from AL.com:  https://www.al.com/news/2023/10/judge-says-he-will-dismiss-birmingham-southerns-lawsuit-seeking-30-million-state-loan.html

Unfortunately for BSC, this is a simple statutory construction issue and canons of statutory construction are not in BSC's favor.  BSC has a right to appeal the trial court's dismissal but this decision is not going to be overturned by an appeals court or the Alabama Supreme Court. What BSC needs is another source of funding.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 25, 2023, 05:17:31 PM
Been needing that source for a couple years now, and been hoping something would be announced along those lines.  Also, there hasn't been a real update on how much committed monies they have other then the often said $45mil that has been stagnant for a year now.  Without a major benefactor, the school is indeed in trouble and time is not on our side. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 25, 2023, 08:34:05 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 25, 2023, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2023, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 25, 2023, 04:34:28 PM
For those keeping up, the judge threw out the lawsuit by BSC towards the state treasurer.  The college is currently determining what the next step is.  The problem with the law passed that would have given BSC the loan it needs to survive, it stats the treasurer "MAY" issue the loan instead of "SHALL" grant the loan, which gives the treasurer the right to deny, doesn't matter if the school qualifies per the law or not.  So possibly a run to the state Supreme Court is next. But right now, it's not looking good for BSC after this semester. 

Here to hoping for survival, I want more shots at Trinity, we have never beat you guys.

I hate scum (hint: not you or anyone at BSC).  Here's the story from AL.com:  https://www.al.com/news/2023/10/judge-says-he-will-dismiss-birmingham-southerns-lawsuit-seeking-30-million-state-loan.html

Unfortunately for BSC, this is a simple statutory construction issue and canons of statutory construction are not in BSC's favor.  BSC has a right to appeal the trial court's dismissal but this decision is not going to be overturned by an appeals court or the Alabama Supreme Court. What BSC needs is another source of funding.

Lawyer here - agree on all fronts. Don't see much chance this gets reversed considering the discretion given to the treasurer, unless BSC can show some kind of negligence/bias in carrying out this discretion. This is either a case of extremely poor drafting, or they drafted this just to create the appearance they were trying to help a private institution to keep the heat down. I don't see how the legislatures could have allowed this discretion into the statute (knowing full well the treasurers opposition while it was being drafted) if they ever intended for this loan to go through. Hate this for BSC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
The bonus D3FB ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/10/26/atn-podcast-340-a-chat-with-the-chair/) is well worth a listen if you have an interest in how the Pool C rankings are determined.  Spoiler alert: one of the first questions answered has to do with whether or not the national committee can override the order of teams provided by a regional committee. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
The bonus D3FB ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/10/26/atn-podcast-340-a-chat-with-the-chair/) is well worth a listen if you have an interest in how the Pool C rankings are determined.  Spoiler alert: one of the first questions answered has to do with whether or not the national committee can override the order of teams provided by a regional committee.

I am not sure I have ever used this term but does anyone else get a gaslighting vibe ever time we hear from the national chairs. I feel like they say these things that brand new D3 fans can take but if you have followed for very long at all the statements just don't add up to a consistent logic?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 26, 2023, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
The bonus D3FB ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/10/26/atn-podcast-340-a-chat-with-the-chair/) is well worth a listen if you have an interest in how the Pool C rankings are determined.  Spoiler alert: one of the first questions answered has to do with whether or not the national committee can override the order of teams provided by a regional committee.

I am not sure I have ever used this term but does anyone else get a gaslighting vibe ever time we hear from the national chairs. I feel like they say these things that brand new D3 fans can take but if you have followed for very long at all the statements just don't add up to a consistent logic?

What did he say that doesn't add up to you?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 26, 2023, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
The bonus D3FB ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/10/26/atn-podcast-340-a-chat-with-the-chair/) is well worth a listen if you have an interest in how the Pool C rankings are determined.  Spoiler alert: one of the first questions answered has to do with whether or not the national committee can override the order of teams provided by a regional committee.

I am not sure I have ever used this term but does anyone else get a gaslighting vibe ever time we hear from the national chairs. I feel like they say these things that brand new D3 fans can take but if you have followed for very long at all the statements just don't add up to a consistent logic?

What did he say that doesn't add up to you?

One of his last statements before the midway break "When you start to understand the process, it really makes more sense, if you are fan of a team you might still hold to that it doesn't make much, but if you really look back, it has really been fairly consistent at what we have looked in order to determine playoff teams".

I won't claim to be an expert, I would like to think I am an educated homer but almost every year I hear from you, Pat, Frank, etc. of how this is never consistent. I also won't pretend this is an easy process for them, this year especially is going to very challenging with only 4 at large picks but I have almost no doubt that there will be at least one thing that very educated and non biased people like yourself will tell us, well that isn't they way the national committee did things last year or the year before.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
One problem is that the NCAA's guidance is vague.  "Here are a bunch of primary criteria, but God forbid we give any guidance as to which of them is most important."  That leaves it up to the regional committees themselves and they do things differently, and same for the national committee when the leadership constantly turns over.   And the national committee is not delegated the authority to tell the regionals what they should care about, apparently.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2023, 05:40:58 PM
Yes to crufootball...

How will this year's committee value the criteria?

On the island, some time we win.
Some time we lose.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
With respect to the BSC situation, I recall reading that BSC did not outline how it would repay the loan in the documents sent to the State Treasurer.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jekelish on October 26, 2023, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
With respect to the BSC situation, I recall reading that BSC did not outline how it would repay the loan in the documents sent to the State Treasurer.

On a similar note, I have not seen it confirmed anywhere so it's probably at least a little bit rooted in speculation, but someone I know who is in such circles told me this morning they were told BSC won't make it to 2024 because of all of this, as they basically remained open this semester spending money they THOUGHT they were getting, but because of the most recent developments, will never actually receive. I hope they can pull out a miracle, because that absolutely sucks of everyone who not only attends BSC, but the faculty and staff as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 26, 2023, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 26, 2023, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
The bonus D3FB ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/10/26/atn-podcast-340-a-chat-with-the-chair/) is well worth a listen if you have an interest in how the Pool C rankings are determined.  Spoiler alert: one of the first questions answered has to do with whether or not the national committee can override the order of teams provided by a regional committee.

I am not sure I have ever used this term but does anyone else get a gaslighting vibe ever time we hear from the national chairs. I feel like they say these things that brand new D3 fans can take but if you have followed for very long at all the statements just don't add up to a consistent logic?

What did he say that doesn't add up to you?

One of his last statements before the midway break "When you start to understand the process, it really makes more sense, if you are fan of a team you might still hold to that it doesn't make much, but if you really look back, it has really been fairly consistent at what we have looked in order to determine playoff teams".

I won't claim to be an expert, I would like to think I am an educated homer but almost every year I hear from you, Pat, Frank, etc. of how this is never consistent. I also won't pretend this is an easy process for them, this year especially is going to very challenging with only 4 at large picks but I have almost no doubt that there will be at least one thing that very educated and non biased people like yourself will tell us, well that isn't they way the national committee did things last year or the year before.

I think a lot depends on how you understand his sentence. The factors that they use are very consistent. The weighting of those factors can vary, but they are always looking at the same things. So yes, the committee changes every year, so the importance of SoS vs RvRR, or just flat out win percentage, play slightly different roles, but they consistently look at those metrics. So it just depends on your interpretation of "fairly consistent", which is a nebulous term anyway.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: jekelish on October 26, 2023, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
With respect to the BSC situation, I recall reading that BSC did not outline how it would repay the loan in the documents sent to the State Treasurer.

On a similar note, I have not seen it confirmed anywhere so it's probably at least a little bit rooted in speculation, but someone I know who is in such circles told me this morning they were told BSC won't make it to 2024 because of all of this, as they basically remained open this semester spending money they THOUGHT they were getting, but because of the most recent developments, will never actually receive. I hope they can pull out a miracle, because that absolutely sucks of everyone who not only attends BSC, but the faculty and staff as well.

BSC officials were quoted in one of the AL.com stories as saying they had to know by Oct. 31 so they could make a decision on continuing past this semester.  We'll see if they were just saying that in an attempt to force a favorable decision next week, because otherwise they're down by a TD on their 25-yard line with 2 seconds to go.  Hopefully they can pull an Alabama Miracle out of their hat. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 06:40:09 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 26, 2023, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 26, 2023, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
The bonus D3FB ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/10/26/atn-podcast-340-a-chat-with-the-chair/) is well worth a listen if you have an interest in how the Pool C rankings are determined.  Spoiler alert: one of the first questions answered has to do with whether or not the national committee can override the order of teams provided by a regional committee.

I am not sure I have ever used this term but does anyone else get a gaslighting vibe ever time we hear from the national chairs. I feel like they say these things that brand new D3 fans can take but if you have followed for very long at all the statements just don't add up to a consistent logic?

What did he say that doesn't add up to you?

One of his last statements before the midway break "When you start to understand the process, it really makes more sense, if you are fan of a team you might still hold to that it doesn't make much, but if you really look back, it has really been fairly consistent at what we have looked in order to determine playoff teams".

I won't claim to be an expert, I would like to think I am an educated homer but almost every year I hear from you, Pat, Frank, etc. of how this is never consistent. I also won't pretend this is an easy process for them, this year especially is going to very challenging with only 4 at large picks but I have almost no doubt that there will be at least one thing that very educated and non biased people like yourself will tell us, well that isn't they way the national committee did things last year or the year before.

I think a lot depends on how you understand his sentence. The factors that they use are very consistent. The weighting of those factors can vary, but they are always looking at the same things. So yes, the committee changes every year, so the importance of SoS vs RvRR, or just flat out win percentage, play slightly different roles, but they consistently look at those metrics. So it just depends on your interpretation of "fairly consistent", which is a nebulous term anyway.

Either way it just a little frustration to hear that we just aren't getting it and mixing that with the notion that any win is treated the same no matter the score and it doesn't matter if you beat the #1 team or #8, just doesn't sound like great logic to build off of.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 26, 2023, 07:20:02 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 26, 2023, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
The bonus D3FB ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/10/26/atn-podcast-340-a-chat-with-the-chair/) is well worth a listen if you have an interest in how the Pool C rankings are determined.  Spoiler alert: one of the first questions answered has to do with whether or not the national committee can override the order of teams provided by a regional committee.

I am not sure I have ever used this term but does anyone else get a gaslighting vibe ever time we hear from the national chairs. I feel like they say these things that brand new D3 fans can take but if you have followed for very long at all the statements just don't add up to a consistent logic?

What did he say that doesn't add up to you?

One of his last statements before the midway break "When you start to understand the process, it really makes more sense, if you are fan of a team you might still hold to that it doesn't make much, but if you really look back, it has really been fairly consistent at what we have looked in order to determine playoff teams".

I won't claim to be an expert, I would like to think I am an educated homer but almost every year I hear from you, Pat, Frank, etc. of how this is never consistent. I also won't pretend this is an easy process for them, this year especially is going to very challenging with only 4 at large picks but I have almost no doubt that there will be at least one thing that very educated and non biased people like yourself will tell us, well that isn't they way the national committee did things last year or the year before.

That's fair.  I think we kind of instinctually want to use the criteria as a series of filters and use that kind of logic to rank or select teams.  And just as soon as we think we've cracked the code, we get a new result that doesn't fit.  I've certainly had that frustration over the years.  I think what I've come to learn, or at least accept, is that there isn't one singular code to crack or one algorithmic way to apply the criteria.  They don't work in series that way. 

The primary criteria are simple, how to use them, much less so.  I think what I apprecate most from this week's chat with the chair is the explanation of how he's trying to harmonize the RACs, through the non-voting RAC chairs, to be as consistent from region to region about how they focus the data through the criteria.  I think this is an important step.  It's not new, I know other national committee chairs have also approached the RAC function this way, but the effort is appreciated and, if successful, I think will get us to the right four teams selected. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 27, 2023, 12:07:14 PM
Worth revisiting the Mississippi Miracle:

https://twitter.com/NCAADIII/status/1717903993333027039
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 27, 2023, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
With respect to the BSC situation, I recall reading that BSC did not outline how it would repay the loan in the documents sent to the State Treasurer.

The Treasurer claims this, the school has said they have laid out how and when they would repay the loan.  Don't know which one is telling the truth. Due to the treasurers behavior makes me believe the school over Boozer(treasurer).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 27, 2023, 01:46:20 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 27, 2023, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
With respect to the BSC situation, I recall reading that BSC did not outline how it would repay the loan in the documents sent to the State Treasurer.

The Treasurer claims this, the school has said they have laid out how and when they would repay the loan.  Don't know which one is telling the truth. Due to the treasurers behavior makes me believe the school over Boozer(treasurer).

I'm pretty sure the school laid it out and the Treasurer probably feels there is no way it will happen. Frankly I suspect the Treasurer is correct, which is why a loan was the last resort. B-SC wanted a grant. They settled for a loan.

But how are you going to repay $30mm? You can't even make payroll. And frankly, you've rarely done anything financially correct in 20 years. B-SC 's track record does not inspire confidence, regardless of the plan they submitted.

I'm actually ok with granting B-SC the money, I think the school probably is in the taxpayer's interest in the long run, but I have no doubt that should the money be loaned, it's unlikely to ever return. I suspect the Treasurer, by his actions throughout the whole process, doesn't think the money is in the taxpayer's interest.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on October 27, 2023, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: jekelish on October 26, 2023, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
With respect to the BSC situation, I recall reading that BSC did not outline how it would repay the loan in the documents sent to the State Treasurer.

On a similar note, I have not seen it confirmed anywhere so it's probably at least a little bit rooted in speculation, but someone I know who is in such circles told me this morning they were told BSC won't make it to 2024 because of all of this, as they basically remained open this semester spending money they THOUGHT they were getting, but because of the most recent developments, will never actually receive. I hope they can pull out a miracle, because that absolutely sucks of everyone who not only attends BSC, but the faculty and staff as well.

If they were operating this year by dipping into reserves they thought they would be able to replinish via loan and the other gifts that were pledged if they were able to get the loan then it would make sense when the treasurer pointed out that they didn't have the assets remaining to secure the loan.  As we learned in the Depp vs Heard trial, just because you pledge something doesn't mean that you'll actually pay it...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 27, 2023, 03:07:56 PM
I just wonder if there is any plan for the BSC campus if the school does close. It would be pretty foolish for the state to just have the school become vacant
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 27, 2023, 04:12:48 PM
Quote from: cush on October 27, 2023, 03:07:56 PM
I just wonder if there is any plan for the BSC campus if the school does close. It would be pretty foolish for the state to just have the school become vacant

There is no plan because the state won't own it. Whoever B-SC 's creditors are, maybe the bank the Treasurer has a problem with, will take control. Likely auctioned. But who the heck is going to buy it but the government is beyond me. It's really not a part of town you want to be in, so housing is out. There isn't much industry over there. The quarry next door won't need it. Legion Field certainly doesn't need it.

Frankly UAB making an honors campus or Auburn opening a Birmingham campus might be the best bets. But I suspect it will just add to the area's blight, sadly.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 28, 2023, 04:29:59 PM
Looks like it's now all but guaranteed to be a rematch of Trinity vs HSU first round in San Antonio. Or is there a chance Hardin Simmons creeps ahead of Trinity in regional rankings so that they get a home game?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 28, 2023, 04:47:35 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 28, 2023, 04:29:59 PM
Looks like it's now all but guaranteed to be a rematch of Trinity vs HSU first round in San Antonio. Or is there a chance Hardin Simmons creeps ahead of Trinity in regional rankings so that they get a home game?

Doubt it. Not even sure Hardin Simmons will be ahead of R-MC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 28, 2023, 05:08:25 PM
BSC drops another one to Rhodes. Could have been tied at the half, ended up losing 34-8.   Eddy at home for senior day, that's a tough draw for us this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 29, 2023, 12:43:47 PM
I just saw that Berry ran for 460 yards yesterday against Hendrix.  I looked a little further and see they've put up over 400 in the last three games.  The Trinity game was the lowest output this season at 218. 

They are 2nd in the country in rushing offense.

Very, very impressive.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 29, 2023, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 29, 2023, 12:43:47 PM
I just saw that Berry ran for 460 yards yesterday against Hendrix.  I looked a little further and see they've put up over 400 in the last three games.  The Trinity game was the lowest output this season at 218. 

They are 2nd in the country in rushing offense.

Very, very impressive.

Whats just as impressive is that It's been a Brandon Cade show. I haven't seen Josh
Rogers log a carry since he played Trinity.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on October 29, 2023, 02:59:35 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 29, 2023, 12:43:47 PM
I just saw that Berry ran for 460 yards yesterday against Hendrix.  I looked a little further and see they've put up over 400 in the last three games.  The Trinity game was the lowest output this season at 218. 

They are 2nd in the country in rushing offense.

Very, very impressive.

Ya and what's crazier is that they just flipped scrip against Trinity and "simply" threw for 319. They have a really, really good offense. Would be a g-d shame if they don't get into the playoffs, because I think they could do some damage. Also think the D3 world needs to continue to see in the playoffs that SAA consistenly has more than one playoff-caliber squad.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 29, 2023, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 29, 2023, 02:59:35 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 29, 2023, 12:43:47 PM
I just saw that Berry ran for 460 yards yesterday against Hendrix.  I looked a little further and see they've put up over 400 in the last three games.  The Trinity game was the lowest output this season at 218. 

They are 2nd in the country in rushing offense.

Very, very impressive.

Ya and what's crazier is that they just flipped scrip against Trinity and "simply" threw for 319. They have a really, really good offense. Would be a g-d shame if they don't get into the playoffs, because I think they could do some damage. Also think the D3 world needs to continue to see in the playoffs that SAA consistenly has more than one playoff-caliber squad.

Agreed.  If they get a bid, they will SHOCK some other teams. Trinity was in playoff mode to win that game...barely.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 30, 2023, 03:16:47 PM
So tomorrow is literally trick or treat day for BSC ;D their board will met and decide the fate of the school. Did read online the idea that if the city or county could guarantee the state loan repayment that might get the state treasury to OK the loan for BSC. I still believe a BSC and Highlands college merger would be the best outcome but not sure how that would go down with accreditation since it would be more highlands taking over the school. I suppose BSC board could  just disassociate from the Methodist church and than turn the school over to highlands college.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 30, 2023, 03:44:19 PM
The Methodist church doesn't have much to do with BSC anymore, even thought the school was founded by them.  As far as the Highlands go, without looking, I'm not even sure if they have any accreditation at this point.  Seems like they were working on something.  Highlands in Birmingham is a love or hate relationship. The people who attend love it, the ones that don't, well you get it.  They are more of a franchise than a church and some even like to call them a cult.(tongue in check for those unable to recognize).

BSC would be better off with a Miles College merge then with a Highlands merge. 

Halloween is going to be rather scary for us BSC people. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2023, 09:18:22 PM
So sorry for the continuing uncertainty at BSC.  The latest salvo from the school picks apart a lot of Boozer's talking points  (https://www.al.com/news/2023/10/birmingham-southern-college-disputes-state-treasurers-claims.html) but absent some legal decision nothing will force him to change his mind.

On another front, the unexpected HSU victory last week may mean Trinity will have to travel to Abilene in the first round.  HSU has a slightly better SOS, Trinity's will go down further, records v. RRO are probably identical.  We'll see next week when the first regional rankings come out, but barring an unexpected result it looks like that's a strong possibility.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on October 30, 2023, 10:14:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2023, 09:18:22 PM
So sorry for the continuing uncertainty at BSC.  The latest salvo from the school picks apart a lot of Boozer's talking points  (https://www.al.com/news/2023/10/birmingham-southern-college-disputes-state-treasurers-claims.html) but absent some legal decision nothing will force him to change his mind.

On another front, the unexpected HSU victory last week may mean Trinity will have to travel to Abilene in the first round.  HSU has a slightly better SOS, Trinity's will go down further, records v. RRO are probably identical.  We'll see next week when the first regional rankings come out, but barring an unexpected result it looks like that's a strong possibility.

Think the common opponent and Endicott will influence things?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 30, 2023, 10:40:47 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 30, 2023, 10:14:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2023, 09:18:22 PM
So sorry for the continuing uncertainty at BSC.  The latest salvo from the school picks apart a lot of Boozer's talking points  (https://www.al.com/news/2023/10/birmingham-southern-college-disputes-state-treasurers-claims.html) but absent some legal decision nothing will force him to change his mind.

On another front, the unexpected HSU victory last week may mean Trinity will have to travel to Abilene in the first round.  HSU has a slightly better SOS, Trinity's will go down further, records v. RRO are probably identical.  We'll see next week when the first regional rankings come out, but barring an unexpected result it looks like that's a strong possibility.

Think the common opponent and Endicott will influence things?

According to the National Chairman, the committee view a win as a win and don't look at margin of victory. So if season ended today, and for instance, say the fan poll projections for R3 was used (for this criteria); I guess they would look at who has the best SOS at the end of it all.

Trinity is (2-1), W: UMHB, Berry - L: SJU
HSU is (2-1), W: UWL, UMHB - L: Endicott

I think all the teams above make their respective regional rankings at the end of two weeks, but say HPU beats UMHB and takes that spot, Trinity would lose a W, and HSU would still have that W having already beaten HPU (should they slide in the back half of our rankings). At this point ETBU needs to beat HSU for Trinity to get a home game. I'm not sure if they still keep a "once a team is ranked, always RRO, or not anymore. ODAC and USAC #2 and #3 teams could play spoiler in stealing a spot from a #2 ASC in whomever that may be....and with the way this is going, both HSU and Trinity Still Need to win both games to make playoffs. Berry and UMHB/ETBU are only one game back.

Can almost take it to the bank that the NCAA will pair them again for a round one rematch.

Anyone else have a take?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 30, 2023, 10:54:40 PM
 Is the school is saying no board meeting for Tuesday. They are having a faculty meeting, so we are still in complete limbo. The problem now is even if they school manages to continue, since last year the staff is having to be rebuilt and students are having to be re-recruited. It will be a hard, long climb to just get back to where we were pre-covid, much less to the point they want to be.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 30, 2023, 10:54:40 PM
Is the school is saying no board meeting for Tuesday. They are having a faculty meeting, so we are still in complete limbo. The problem now is even if they school manages to continue, since last year the staff is having to be rebuilt and students are having to be re-recruited. It will be a hard, long climb to just get back to where we were pre-covid, much less to the point they want to be.

I just can't imagine anyone thinking sending their kid to B-SC next year is a good idea right now.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2023, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 30, 2023, 10:54:40 PM
Is the school is saying no board meeting for Tuesday. They are having a faculty meeting, so we are still in complete limbo. The problem now is even if they school manages to continue, since last year the staff is having to be rebuilt and students are having to be re-recruited. It will be a hard, long climb to just get back to where we were pre-covid, much less to the point they want to be.

I just can't imagine anyone thinking sending their kid to B-SC next year is a good idea right now.

Here's the thing:  if you're not in Alabama or maybe even in the Birmingham, you may not even be aware there is a problem.  We are hyper-focused on this, but how much information is out there that the general public actually sees?  You can find it if you go looking, but a lot of people won't look.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2023, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 30, 2023, 10:54:40 PM
Is the school is saying no board meeting for Tuesday. They are having a faculty meeting, so we are still in complete limbo. The problem now is even if they school manages to continue, since last year the staff is having to be rebuilt and students are having to be re-recruited. It will be a hard, long climb to just get back to where we were pre-covid, much less to the point they want to be.

I just can't imagine anyone thinking sending their kid to B-SC next year is a good idea right now.

Here's the thing:  if you're not in Alabama or maybe even in the Birmingham, you may not even be aware there is a problem.  We are hyper-focused on this, but how much information is out there that the general public actually sees?  You can find it if you go looking, but a lot of people won't look.   

That's mildly terrifying. You think people will commit roughly 20K a year to something without doing, at the very least, a simple google search? The situation is pretty much the top results for any B-SC search. I don't go to a restaurant without checking reviews first most of the time....
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on October 31, 2023, 01:01:31 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2023, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 30, 2023, 10:54:40 PM
Is the school is saying no board meeting for Tuesday. They are having a faculty meeting, so we are still in complete limbo. The problem now is even if they school manages to continue, since last year the staff is having to be rebuilt and students are having to be re-recruited. It will be a hard, long climb to just get back to where we were pre-covid, much less to the point they want to be.

I just can't imagine anyone thinking sending their kid to B-SC next year is a good idea right now.

Here's the thing:  if you're not in Alabama or maybe even in the Birmingham, you may not even be aware there is a problem.  We are hyper-focused on this, but how much information is out there that the general public actually sees?  You can find it if you go looking, but a lot of people won't look.   

That's mildly terrifying. You think people will commit roughly 20K a year to something without doing, at the very least, a simple google search? The situation is pretty much the top results for any B-SC search. I don't go to a restaurant without checking reviews first most of the time....

In people's defense if you just read the headlines it sounds like every debt ceiling debate for the last few years, 2 sides that don't seem to agree on anything....the deadline is past..... 2 weeks later a new deal is confirm for a short time period.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 31, 2023, 01:01:31 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2023, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on October 30, 2023, 10:54:40 PM
Is the school is saying no board meeting for Tuesday. They are having a faculty meeting, so we are still in complete limbo. The problem now is even if they school manages to continue, since last year the staff is having to be rebuilt and students are having to be re-recruited. It will be a hard, long climb to just get back to where we were pre-covid, much less to the point they want to be.

I just can't imagine anyone thinking sending their kid to B-SC next year is a good idea right now.

Here's the thing:  if you're not in Alabama or maybe even in the Birmingham, you may not even be aware there is a problem.  We are hyper-focused on this, but how much information is out there that the general public actually sees?  You can find it if you go looking, but a lot of people won't look.   

That's mildly terrifying. You think people will commit roughly 20K a year to something without doing, at the very least, a simple google search? The situation is pretty much the top results for any B-SC search. I don't go to a restaurant without checking reviews first most of the time....

In people's defense if you just read the headlines it sounds like every debt ceiling debate for the last few years, 2 sides that don't seem to agree on anything....the deadline is past..... 2 weeks later a new deal is confirm for a short time period.

That's true, but this isn't something nebulous like the Federal Government. This is their money for their kids college. It's pretty direct. If the college is being discussed for closing doors, I just don't know how you pull the trigger on that kind of investment. Frankly, I'm not sure how they got anyone to agree to enroll as a freshman this year. There's no way I'm letting my kid go. Now if you are a junior or senior I get it. You are hoping that it all works out so you can graduate without the sloppy mess of transferring and leaving friends behind. That I understand. But enrolling for the class of 2027? There was no way I would let my kid do that last spring. Too much risk. Especially relying on the Alabama State Government. But maybe that's because I live here and think the vast majority of those people are useless idiots.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 31, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
It's been on the news, almost every night for the last couple weeks.  The freshman class is very small this year, mostly made up of athletes that wanted their opportunity and believed the issue had been put to rest.  As for the upper class men, they are just hoping to be able to graduate then will support from the good side of this mess. 

We really are at a point where something has to be decided so kids can get enrolled for spring semester at other schools if needed, if they still can. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 04:45:40 PM
I'd imagine they will get a teach out arrangement. Montevallo would probably get on board with that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 31, 2023, 04:47:15 PM
Mayor of Birmingham has come out on strong support of BSC.  It's a great article listing out the positives and need for keeping BSC alive and support for the loan.

https://www.al.com/opinion/2023/10/randall-woodfin-more-than-ever-birmingham-cant-afford-to-lose-birmingham-southern-college.html
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2023, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 04:45:40 PM
I'd imagine they will get a teach out arrangement. Montevallo would probably get on board with that.

One of the stories last week said contingency planning involved ensuring current students had a path elsewhere should that become necessary.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on October 31, 2023, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 04:45:40 PM
I'd imagine they will get a teach out arrangement. Montevallo would probably get on board with that.

I always wondered how this would work for the current students and former grads. If the doors close and there isn't a merger or someone absorbing BSC into their system, how the transfer program would work if no one is there to help issue transcripts etc, or if someone is looking to go to higher education, or an employer is requesting sealed transcripts.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2023, 10:11:14 PM
I appreciate the  news coverage on the B-SC situation that posters have presented.

What I have not seen is a strong defense by a BSC consultant or an impartial third party that rebuts the State Treasurer's assertion that the plan which BSC submitted was indeed workable and offered quite favorable terms to investors or to the state treasury.

Nor have we seen leadership from the chair of the BSC proclaiming the soundness of the loan payback schedule. I think that the Board has failed the BSC family, both past and present.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on October 31, 2023, 11:07:30 PM
The president has stated that they their plan does include a detailed payback plan that is complete.  Unfortunately, we only have a he said/he said situation.  No where have I seen where the application details have been published for anyone to see. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on October 31, 2023, 11:12:43 PM
I don't think there was a solid plan. As I put above, the school wanted/needed a grant. The loan was a last compromise.

I don't think it was ever feasible to pay back. I suspect B-SC basically wanted the loan so they could stay open and hopefully go fundraise. And if it worked where they were cashflow positive maybe they made token payments forever to the state or maybe they found some political backing to have it forgiven eventually. But the loan was, literally, a last chance worst option just to keep doors open long enough to say they had support to make fundraising viable and keep tuition coming in.

I doubt there was ever a logical, believable plan for them to pay it back. I suspect they submitted a wishful thinking plan, assuming the legislation was a rubber stamp, and the Treasurer, who hated everything about this, blew it up. One word in the legislation gave him the ability, and he took it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: cush on November 01, 2023, 10:39:58 AM
If BSC could collect 1/3 of the $45 million it says has been pledged for awhile that should buy them at least another year of operation to further fundraise. They could also try to go back to the state legislature but I suspect the governor is also against any state aid so she probably would veto anything passed next spring. Unless some super rich person or foundation decides at the last minute to make a huge donation, BSC future looks grim. Those people and foundations sure do love to give money to schools that don't need money but that's life.  The best bet is a merger to keep the campus functioning but there aren't too many options. I wonder if miles would just switch campuses but that still would result in a vacant campus. I don't really see the BSC being vacant so somebody is going to buy it and run some type of school at its location. Ideally that school would be a 1500 student D3 institution
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 01, 2023, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: cush on November 01, 2023, 10:39:58 AM
If BSC could collect 1/3 the $45 million it says has been pledged for awhile that should buy them at least another year of operation to further fundraise. They could also try to go back to the state legislature but I suspect the governor is also against any state aid so she probably would veto anything passed next spring.

Only if they were fully released funds for the operating budget, which donations almost never are. They are likely endowment contributions.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 02, 2023, 09:17:10 AM
BSC has now asked the city if Birmingham to help, which I think they will get more help from the city then they would from the state.  The city understands exactly what BSC does for Birmingham and the neighborhood that it sits in.  Hopefully, if the city steps up, it will propel the state into also stepping up. 

https://www.cbs42.com/news/birmingham-southern-college-seeks-financial-help-from-the-city/

We aren't dead yet, just hope this is a good sign of things to come.  BSC needs to offer Birmingham City School students scholarship opportunities for this. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 02, 2023, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 02, 2023, 09:17:10 AM
BSC has now asked the city if Birmingham to help, which I think they will get more help from the city then they would from the state.  The city understands exactly what BSC does for Birmingham and the neighborhood that it sits in.  Hopefully, if the city steps up, it will propel the state into also stepping up. 

https://www.cbs42.com/news/birmingham-southern-college-seeks-financial-help-from-the-city/

We aren't dead yet, just hope this is a good sign of things to come.  BSC needs to offer Birmingham City School students scholarship opportunities for this.

No. I'm pretty sure B-SC is dead. Someone just keeps putting the paddles on hoping to find a jolt that can bring it back to life. I hope they find a way to finish out the school year, but if I was anyone but a senior, I would have all my transfer paperwork done and submitted to multiple schools by now for Spring Term if possible, Fall 2024 at worst. No way I'm coming back to go through another year of will they/won't they b.s. At this point, I think B-SC is doing a disservice to the student body by not having an answer.

They've already asking Birmingham for money, it was part of the original bridge funding proposal. They asked Birmingham for a pittance and couldn't get a commitment. Now they need a lot more than a pittance.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2023, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: jknezek on November 02, 2023, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 02, 2023, 09:17:10 AM
BSC has now asked the city if Birmingham to help, which I think they will get more help from the city then they would from the state.  The city understands exactly what BSC does for Birmingham and the neighborhood that it sits in.  Hopefully, if the city steps up, it will propel the state into also stepping up. 

https://www.cbs42.com/news/birmingham-southern-college-seeks-financial-help-from-the-city/

We aren't dead yet, just hope this is a good sign of things to come.  BSC needs to offer Birmingham City School students scholarship opportunities for this.

No. I'm pretty sure B-SC is dead. Someone just keeps putting the paddles on hoping to find a jolt that can bring it back to life. I hope they find a way to finish out the school year, but if I was anyone but a senior, I would have all my transfer paperwork done and submitted to multiple schools by now for Spring Term if possible, Fall 2024 at worst. No way I'm coming back to go through another year of will they/won't they b.s. At this point, I think B-SC is doing a disservice to the student body by not having an answer.

They've already asking Birmingham for money, it was part of the original bridge funding proposal. They asked Birmingham for a pittance and couldn't get a commitment. Now they need a lot more than a pittance.

And this story specifically says only "the school could get the money it needs to remain open for the remainder of the fall semester."
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 03, 2023, 04:01:18 PM
The students have received emails fro, the school stating they will be open through spring semester.  Not sure where the money came from, don't know for how long it will last, but for my personal needs, it will mean my child will be able to graduate from BSC and move on to his next stop in life.  For the juniors and lower, not sure what it means.  Without a guarantee of further classes, not sure how you keep the freshman or sophomores on campus past this fall.  As I learn more, I'll pass it along. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 03, 2023, 04:05:55 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 03, 2023, 04:01:18 PM
The students have received emails fro, the school stating they will be open through spring semester.  Not sure where the money came from, don't know for how long it will last, but for my personal needs, it will mean my child will be able to graduate from BSC and move on to his next stop in life.  For the juniors and lower, not sure what it means.  Without a guarantee of further classes, not sure how you keep the freshman or sophomores on campus past this fall.  As I learn more, I'll pass it along.

I'm glad. It would have been brutal to shut down mid-year. So unfair to the upperclassmen. But yeah, if my kid is not a senior, they are out of there ASAP.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2023, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 03, 2023, 04:05:55 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 03, 2023, 04:01:18 PM
The students have received emails fro, the school stating they will be open through spring semester.  Not sure where the money came from, don't know for how long it will last, but for my personal needs, it will mean my child will be able to graduate from BSC and move on to his next stop in life.  For the juniors and lower, not sure what it means.  Without a guarantee of further classes, not sure how you keep the freshman or sophomores on campus past this fall.  As I learn more, I'll pass it along.

I'm glad. It would have been brutal to shut down mid-year. So unfair to the upperclassmen. But yeah, if my kid is not a senior, they are out of there ASAP.

Here's the story with a few more details from AL.com (https://www.al.com/news/2023/11/birmingham-southern-updates-plan-asks-students-to-register-for-spring-classes.html) - says the mayor is going to propose a $5M "economic development plan, which would partially fund the school" on November 21.   Other than that, the plan is the usual "working with the Alabama Legislature, private donors and other entities" to secure additional funds.  Given the lack of progress on any of those fronts in the last year I wouldn't be counting on any sudden breakthrough, sadly.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 04, 2023, 12:13:04 PM
The city understands the need for BSC to anchor that neighborhood and the advantage of BSC not closing. Good that if agreed by the city council it will keep BSC open through this academic year and get the current seniors graduated. I would expect the student body and professors to take another hit which will just make it harder to recover if they get the opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 05, 2023, 09:25:25 AM
In a game that very well may have been the last home football game for BSC, we found out exactly how good Berry is.  Defensively we had no answer, offensively we played like we have most of the year, which meant we had no answer, we gave up a TD on a blocked punt, they only punted once all day.  Final we 53-6, and could have been much worse.  This season has been a celebration in the fact we had a season, but also disappointing because we haven't played to the standard we became accustomed to.  With all that's going on with BSC, these guys have come out and played their hearts out, but the mountain was just too hard to climb from the personal losses from last season.  We have one more game left, at Centre.  We'll be there, cheering on our Panthers, hopefully not for the last time. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2023, 02:56:54 PM
Good news for Trinity in that they're ranked above Hardin-Simmons in today's Regional Rankings (https://d3football.com/playoffs/2023/second-regional-ranking).  Whether the slight SOS advantage they enjoy today (.525 to .498) remains after this week's games is yet to be seen.   

Trinity gets Hendrix who would be 3-7 if Trinity wins; HSU gets ETBU who would be 5-4 vs. D3 if HSU wins.  Trinity really needs St. John's to win; HSU wants at least two of Albright, UW-LaX, and Endicott to win.  Albright hasn't won all season, LaX hasn't lost to anyone but HSU and faces a one-win UWSP, and Endicott will be favored at home against 6-3 Univ of New England. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2023, 10:11:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2023, 02:56:54 PM
Good news for Trinity in that they're ranked above Hardin-Simmons in today's Regional Rankings (https://d3football.com/playoffs/2023/second-regional-ranking).  Whether the slight SOS advantage they enjoy today (.525 to .498) remains after this week's games is yet to be seen.   

Trinity gets Hendrix who would be 3-7 if Trinity wins; HSU gets ETBU who would be 5-4 vs. D3 if HSU wins.  Trinity really needs St. John's to win; HSU wants at least two of Albright, UW-LaX, and Endicott to win.  Albright hasn't won all season, LaX hasn't lost to anyone but HSU and faces a one-win UWSP, and Endicott will be favored at home against 6-3 Univ of New England.

The site's having issues right now, but I had a look at the updated SOS values after the afternoon's games and Trinity still held a slight lead (maybe 1/3rd as much as before).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2023, 03:41:26 PM
I've been routinely having access issues to the D3 website. Not sure if its just an exciting time of the year and therefore high user access, or something else.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2023, 04:06:34 PM
Our webhost is a bit of a cluster when seasons cross over.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 12, 2023, 04:57:23 PM
Just got home from a long weekend in Kentucky.  First impressions is that Danville is beautiful town and Centre has a very nice stadium.  Second impression, we lost 10-6 in a game that we should have brought home the W.  We have had difficulty in the FG game this season, missed opportunities and blocked kicks, lots of blocked kicks.  But we have also had an offense problem all season averaging less than 13 points a game.  When it's 4th and 17, within the kickers range, which way do you go???  BSC decided to go with the offense all afternoon, 3 times went for it on 4th down within FG range, all 3 times stopped.  We also went for 2 after the TD, and came up short on that as well.  So a possible 10 points left on the field, without even an attempt.  Could have ended a hard season on a high note, instead, we are sent back to the Hilltop to figure a lot of things out, including if we will have a school for 24/25.  Things are looking better on that side as a lot of orginaztions, including the Methodist Church, have stepped up the last week to shore up the rest of this academic year. 

3-7 is not what we expected going into this season, but after last spring, we are just happy to have had a season.  #YeahPanthers!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2023, 05:09:01 PM
Is this a joke? Texas teams already get screwed matchup wise in playoffs each year, and now they send the Trinity/Hardin Simmons winner to North Central in the second round? That is pitiful. I don't care about the "you'll have to beat them anyway" point. Trinity went undefeated in 2021 and got matched up first round with the national champion, and now even if they win they get blessed with the defending national champ. Unreal.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 12, 2023, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 12, 2023, 05:09:01 PM
Is this a joke? Texas teams already get screwed matchup wise in playoffs each year, and now they send the Trinity/Hardin Simmons winner to North Central in the second round? That is pitiful. I don't care about the "you'll have to beat them anyway" point. Trinity went undefeated in 2021 and get's matched up first round with the national champion, and now even if they win they get blessed with the defending national champ. Unreal.

Region 3 gets no respect. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 12, 2023, 05:56:50 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 12, 2023, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 12, 2023, 05:09:01 PM
Is this a joke? Texas teams already get screwed matchup wise in playoffs each year, and now they send the Trinity/Hardin Simmons winner to North Central in the second round? That is pitiful. I don't care about the "you'll have to beat them anyway" point. Trinity went undefeated in 2021 and get's matched up first round with the national champion, and now even if they win they get blessed with the defending national champ. Unreal.

Region 3 gets no respect.

I don't know. RMC has a very good draw. Island teams get no respect.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on November 12, 2023, 07:16:49 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 26, 2023, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
The bonus D3FB ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/10/26/atn-podcast-340-a-chat-with-the-chair/) is well worth a listen if you have an interest in how the Pool C rankings are determined.  Spoiler alert: one of the first questions answered has to do with whether or not the national committee can override the order of teams provided by a regional committee.

I am not sure I have ever used this term but does anyone else get a gaslighting vibe ever time we hear from the national chairs. I feel like they say these things that brand new D3 fans can take but if you have followed for very long at all the statements just don't add up to a consistent logic?

What did he say that doesn't add up to you?

One of his last statements before the midway break "When you start to understand the process, it really makes more sense, if you are fan of a team you might still hold to that it doesn't make much, but if you really look back, it has really been fairly consistent at what we have looked in order to determine playoff teams".

I won't claim to be an expert, I would like to think I am an educated homer but almost every year I hear from you, Pat, Frank, etc. of how this is never consistent. I also won't pretend this is an easy process for them, this year especially is going to very challenging with only 4 at large picks but I have almost no doubt that there will be at least one thing that very educated and non biased people like yourself will tell us, well that isn't they way the national committee did things last year or the year before.

The only consistent thing about the NCAA is their lack of consistency.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2023, 11:04:34 PM
Quote from: crufootball on November 12, 2023, 07:16:49 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 26, 2023, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 26, 2023, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
The bonus D3FB ATN Podcast (https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2023/10/26/atn-podcast-340-a-chat-with-the-chair/) is well worth a listen if you have an interest in how the Pool C rankings are determined.  Spoiler alert: one of the first questions answered has to do with whether or not the national committee can override the order of teams provided by a regional committee.

I am not sure I have ever used this term but does anyone else get a gaslighting vibe ever time we hear from the national chairs. I feel like they say these things that brand new D3 fans can take but if you have followed for very long at all the statements just don't add up to a consistent logic?

What did he say that doesn't add up to you?

One of his last statements before the midway break "When you start to understand the process, it really makes more sense, if you are fan of a team you might still hold to that it doesn't make much, but if you really look back, it has really been fairly consistent at what we have looked in order to determine playoff teams".

I won't claim to be an expert, I would like to think I am an educated homer but almost every year I hear from you, Pat, Frank, etc. of how this is never consistent. I also won't pretend this is an easy process for them, this year especially is going to very challenging with only 4 at large picks but I have almost no doubt that there will be at least one thing that very educated and non biased people like yourself will tell us, well that isn't they way the national committee did things last year or the year before.

The only consistent thing about the NCAA is their lack of consistency.

Oh, no, they're pretty good at screwing over island teams in most every sport year in and year out.  I only wish there was an alternative.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 18, 2023, 02:07:31 PM
Trinity not getting points to end the half makes the game appear less lopsided as it actually has been. Trinity's D has been absolutely dominant.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: CruFrenzy on November 18, 2023, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 18, 2023, 02:07:31 PM
Trinity not getting points to end the half makes the game appear less lopsided as it actually has been. Trinity's D has been absolutely dominant.

Yes they have.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 18, 2023, 03:29:14 PM
Coming into today Hardin Simmons was #25 in the nation in rushing yards/game at 213.6/game. Trinity holding them to -3 yards bodes well for next week against North Central, who averages a monstrous 333. North central is obviously a different animal, but Trinity's defensive front and linebacker core is one of the few equipped to slow them down. However, I'm extremely disappointed in Trinity's continued string of sloppy penalties. To ensure they have any chance of coming out ahead next week, the penalties have to go - especially in the secondary. North Central's QB is too good to give him extra opportunities.

Enough downer though. Team looked fantastic overall.

Edit: I started game late and apparently missed that HSU was without one or two starters on their O-line. Lack of run game makes a taddd more sense now.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
Congrats TU. As the Texas State Champion, best wishes in the playoffs.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 18, 2023, 06:25:42 PM
Trinity looked very confident and very conservative today.  No big plays and really no attempts at big plays.  As Tigerguy mentioned above, penalties were a real problem - HSU had six first downs from penalties. 

Linebacker Caleb Harmel is a phenom.  I've never seen a player read the situation and react so quickly, and with power. 

Ryan Merrifield's 2nd TD catch was tremendous.  I have no idea how he was able to get under that ball. 

The last, and only, TD by HSU will be a good reminder for Trinity that the game isn't over until the end.

Coach Urban demonstrated great confidence in his team today.  He had the 2nd team D-line playing when HSU had the ball in their own territory.  TU took lots of time on their drives and ended up keeping the ball for fully 10 minutes more than HSU

Hat's off to the HSU fans who made the long trip down from Abilene.  They were loud and represented their team and school admirably.

It'll be a great game next week against NCC!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 19, 2023, 10:27:04 PM
Hansen's ratings have Trinity as a (gulp) 25-point underdog to NC this week. Says it has nothing to do with Trinity being overrated (his model has them at #5 vs #6 in d3poll), but result of NC being simply best team his model has ever projected. Says NC would also be a two touchdown favorite vs Whitewater/Mount Union, which is also eye opening. NC has some bigggg boys.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2023, 10:54:49 PM
Lazindex has NCC as 25 point favorite and Bornpowerindex (Winner of this year's ASC Pick'ems) has NCC a 27 point favorite.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2023, 11:27:22 AM
SAA has announced its all-conference teams (https://saa-sports.com/news/2023/11/18/saa-announces-2023-football-all-conference-teams.aspx).

Offensive PotY:  Tucker Horn, QB, Trinity (3rd consecutive OPoTY)
Defensive PotY:  Caleb Harmel, LB, Trinity (2nd consecutive, 3rd First Team All-SCAC)
Special Teams PotY:  Tyler Huettel, K, Trinity
Newcomer of the Year:  Jacorin Thomas, QB, Sewanee
Coach of the Year:  Tony Kunczewski, Berry

Trinity placed 13 players on the All-SAA First Team, followed by Berry's 8.   Berry matched Trinity in total players selected to the first and second teams, both with 16. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: tigerguy on November 22, 2023, 01:03:46 AM
Trinity's Tucker Horn and Berry's Brandon Cade were both named finalists for the Gagliardi Trophy:

https://d3football.com/notables/2023/11/gagliardi-semifinalists-announced#google_vignette
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 24, 2023, 08:42:43 AM
Update on BSC, not necessarily new info, but info that hasn't been posted yet.  The Methodist Church has given BSC $2.5mil in a note payable(a loan) and Birmingham has proposed $5mil for BSC, they understand the need to keep the college alive in the neighborhood they are in.  I think the BHM city vote is still needed, but I believe that one will go through.  This is what is keeping BSC alive for the spring.  After that, they are still waiting on the state.  Unfortunately for that, we are in the same boat we were in last year at this time.  Waiting for the state legislation to go back into session to hopefully fix the wording in the bill that was supposed to give BSC a $30mil loan from the state.  That won't be for a couple more months. 

So we are still in limbo for 24/25 school year. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 24, 2023, 08:56:16 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on November 24, 2023, 08:42:43 AM
Update on BSC, not necessarily new info, but info that hasn't been posted yet.  The Methodist Church has given BSC $2.5mil in a note payable(a loan) and Birmingham has proposed $5mil for BSC, they understand the need to keep the college alive in the neighborhood they are in.  I think the BHM city vote is still needed, but I believe that one will go through.  This is what is keeping BSC alive for the spring.  After that, they are still waiting on the state.  Unfortunately for that, we are in the same boat we were in last year at this time.  Waiting for the state legislation to go back into session to hopefully fix the wording in the bill that was supposed to give BSC a $30mil loan from the state.  That won't be for a couple more months. 

So we are still in limbo for 24/25 school year.

According to this AL.com story from Wednesday (https://www.al.com/news/2023/11/president-says-birmingham-southern-college-more-likely-than-not-will-return-next-fall-with-city-funding.html) BSC Daniel Coleman told a City Council committee it's "better likely than not" that the college will open for the fall if the city provides the $5 million in loans.  A story from earlier this month stated that the school received another $2.5 million in commitments from two donors (https://www.al.com/educationlab/2023/11/united-methodists-pledge-25-million-to-birmingham-southern-steady-progress.html)and already has a  1800 applicants, a six-year high, for next school year. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 24, 2023, 09:42:23 AM
The big thing is getting those applications to turn into students.  As long as the school is questionable each year, those students aren't coming. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 27, 2023, 09:38:29 AM
A really tough loss for Trinity on Saturday. 

My bottom line: NCC's incredible offensive line enabled explosive penetrations quickly into the secondary and Trinity's DBs, already stretched, simply couldn't make effective stops.

Combine that with turnovers and the result is NCC dominating possession and the score.  Reduce the turnovers and the margin of defeat would have been respectable as Trinity demonstrated they could move the ball.

Having a very mobile QB was icing on the cake for NCC.

I don't see how any team can adequately prepare for NCC's O-line.  They should coast to the Stagg Bowl win.

Caleb Harmel finished his career in stunning fashion with 11 tackles and two sacks.  NCC's QB was visibly concerned early at being taken down hard twice.  He will be very tough to replace although the TU LB stable is strong, particularly TJ Scannell.

Much work to be done for next year but all said, it was a fantastic season for a team that demonstrates pure class.  Extremely proud to be a fan.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2023, 10:20:12 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on November 27, 2023, 09:38:29 AM
A really tough loss for Trinity on Saturday. 

My bottom line: NCC's incredible offensive line enabled explosive penetrations quickly into the secondary and Trinity's DBs, already stretched, simply couldn't make effective stops.

Combine that with turnovers and the result is NCC dominating possession and the score.  Reduce the turnovers and the margin of defeat would have been respectable as Trinity demonstrated they could move the ball.

Having a very mobile QB was icing on the cake for NCC.

I don't see how any team can adequately prepare for NCC's O-line.  They should coast to the Stagg Bowl win.

Caleb Harmel finished his career in stunning fashion with 11 tackles and two sacks.  NCC's QB was visibly concerned early at being taken down hard twice.  He will be very tough to replace although the TU LB stable is strong, particularly TJ Scannell.

Much work to be done for next year but all said, it was a fantastic season for a team that demonstrates pure class.  Extremely proud to be a fan.

One of their starting OL was listed at 6'7", 292. 

2024 is going to be a fascinating season as it will by far be Trinity's biggest reload in the Urban era, if not the D3 era overall.  Berry will probably be the pre-season favorite as a result.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: NCC2010 on November 27, 2023, 10:50:49 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on November 27, 2023, 09:38:29 AM
A really tough loss for Trinity on Saturday. 

My bottom line: NCC's incredible offensive line enabled explosive penetrations quickly into the secondary and Trinity's DBs, already stretched, simply couldn't make effective stops.

Combine that with turnovers and the result is NCC dominating possession and the score.  Reduce the turnovers and the margin of defeat would have been respectable as Trinity demonstrated they could move the ball.

Having a very mobile QB was icing on the cake for NCC.

I don't see how any team can adequately prepare for NCC's O-line.  They should coast to the Stagg Bowl win.

Caleb Harmel finished his career in stunning fashion with 11 tackles and two sacks.  NCC's QB was visibly concerned early at being taken down hard twice.  He will be very tough to replace although the TU LB stable is strong, particularly TJ Scannell.

Much work to be done for next year but all said, it was a fantastic season for a team that demonstrates pure class.  Extremely proud to be a fan.

Harmel was/is a STUD.  easily the best defensive player i have seen against NCC in the past 2 seasons.  Was very impressed with Horn as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 27, 2023, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: NCC2010 on November 27, 2023, 10:50:49 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on November 27, 2023, 09:38:29 AM
A really tough loss for Trinity on Saturday. 

My bottom line: NCC's incredible offensive line enabled explosive penetrations quickly into the secondary and Trinity's DBs, already stretched, simply couldn't make effective stops.

Combine that with turnovers and the result is NCC dominating possession and the score.  Reduce the turnovers and the margin of defeat would have been respectable as Trinity demonstrated they could move the ball.

Having a very mobile QB was icing on the cake for NCC.

I don't see how any team can adequately prepare for NCC's O-line.  They should coast to the Stagg Bowl win.

Caleb Harmel finished his career in stunning fashion with 11 tackles and two sacks.  NCC's QB was visibly concerned early at being taken down hard twice.  He will be very tough to replace although the TU LB stable is strong, particularly TJ Scannell.

Much work to be done for next year but all said, it was a fantastic season for a team that demonstrates pure class.  Extremely proud to be a fan.

Harmel was/is a STUD.  easily the best defensive player i have seen against NCC in the past 2 seasons.  Was very impressed with Horn as well.

Congrats to the 5th years seniors (41-6) and to the the current seniors on finishing their careers (33-5). They truly helped Trinity regain "being the standard" both on and off the field that was displayed much throughout the 90s and 00s.

Most of these young men saw significant playing time and contributed during the last three playoff runs (30-4). They should be very proud. I often wonder how many extra games we could have enjoyed if these island teams didn't have to go through the Texas gauntlet then travel bracket.

Aside from Saturday, leaving it all on the field, their other 3 losses were by an average 6 points since The Covid Season (-7). They have compiled 4 conference championships during their careers!

Trinity should be back in the hunt for the SAA next year. Current Junior (coming seniors) class is 30-4. They have a lot of familiar names to replace, but on the bright side, I saw a lot of talented young players who were able to see the field for most of the second half this year. There is much to be proud of and also excitement for in the future.

2023 10-2  (L 34-31OT @ SJU) (L @ NCC*)
2022 11-1 (L 24-17 UMHB-Semi finalist, who lost to NCC National Champion)
2021 9-1 [McMurry canceled] (L 13-3 UMHB-National Champion)
C19
2020 3-1 (13-3 Hendrix)
2019 8-2 16-10 HSU 14-10 Berry
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: FLALTX on November 27, 2023, 03:14:15 PM
It was humbling for sure. I feel like we could have beat anyone else in the tournament besides them. It was a tough draw and they really punished us on Saturday. I agree they won't be beat or really tested throughout the rest of the tournament. We needed to have our best game to stay close and we definitely didn't deliver that. My son got knocked out with an injury early in the game and couldn't help on the DLine. Hard way to end a career but this group has gone 41-6, won 3 outright and 1 shared conference championship and made it to the playoffs 3 years in a row where they lost to the national champions 2 of those 3 years. I would have loved to go further, but there can only be one, and this year it's North Central.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on November 27, 2023, 05:55:59 PM
Quote from: FLALTX on November 27, 2023, 03:14:15 PM
It was humbling for sure. I feel like we could have beat anyone else in the tournament besides them. It was a tough draw and they really punished us on Saturday. I agree they won't be beat or really tested throughout the rest of the tournament. We needed to have our best game to stay close and we definitely didn't deliver that. My son got knocked out with an injury early in the game and couldn't help on the DLine. Hard way to end a career but this group has gone 41-6, won 3 outright and 1 shared conference championship and made it to the playoffs 3 years in a row where they lost to the national champions 2 of those 3 years. I would have loved to go further, but there can only be one, and this year it's North Central.

Sorry to hear about your son.  Must've been extremely frustrating for him.  Thank him for a great season!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2023, 08:11:33 AM
According to AL.com, B-SC yesterday received the $5M "loan" it solicited (https://www.al.com/news/2023/11/birmingham-loans-bsc-5-million-to-stay-open.html) from the City of Birmingham.  "Loan" because half of that amount will be forgiven if the school opens its doors next fall; the remainder will be due over a 20-year period (at 1%) and is secured by a second mortgage on the school's property.  According to a WVTM-13 story (https://www.wvtm13.com/article/city-of-birmingham-loans-bsc-dollar5-million/45977961) this loan will also ensure the $2.5M pledged by the UMC earlier this month will be funded. 

In the not-so-good news department, the WTVN-13 story also continues to place the endowment funds pledged at ... $45 million.  Perhaps the recent success in raising additional funds from the UMC and the City (as well as the $5M they will seek from the county, if successful) will convince some of the fence-sitters to participate. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 29, 2023, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2023, 08:11:33 AM
According to AL.com, B-SC yesterday received the $5M "loan" it solicited (https://www.al.com/news/2023/11/birmingham-loans-bsc-5-million-to-stay-open.html) from the City of Birmingham.  "Loan" because half of that amount will be forgiven if the school opens its doors next fall; the remainder will be due over a 20-year period (at 1%) and is secured by a second mortgage on the school's property.  According to a WVTM-13 story (https://www.wvtm13.com/article/city-of-birmingham-loans-bsc-dollar5-million/45977961) this loan will also ensure the $2.5M pledged by the UMC earlier this month will be funded. 

In the not-so-good news department, the WTVN-13 story also continues to place the endowment funds pledged at ... $45 million.  Perhaps the recent success in raising additional funds from the UMC and the City (as well as the $5M they will seek from the county, if successful) will convince some of the fence-sitters to participate.

This is the part that worries me the most.  It has been at the number since all this began.  A lot of money has been spent trying to secure commitments for the endowment but, as of yet, no increase has been reported.  That is the biggest disappointment, and the scariest stat about the hopeful future of BSC. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on December 07, 2023, 08:31:33 PM
I just don't understand how anyone thinks spending money to send your kid to B-SC next year is a good idea. This is a textbook death spiral.

https://abc3340.com/news/local/bsc-emphasizing-recent-positive-changes-after-school-placed-on-warning-list-by-accrediting-agency-accreditation-birmingham-southern-college-southern-association-of-colleges-and-schools-commission?fbclid=IwAR3f9RBXYBuZkB9e3CVizUzREScgU0RxPb66swYYNNAu7lQjIbZ-sv5RDbc
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2023, 08:51:32 PM
Quote from: jknezek on December 07, 2023, 08:31:33 PM
I just don't understand how anyone thinks spending money to send your kid to B-SC next year is a good idea. This is a textbook death spiral.

https://abc3340.com/news/local/bsc-emphasizing-recent-positive-changes-after-school-placed-on-warning-list-by-accrediting-agency-accreditation-birmingham-southern-college-southern-association-of-colleges-and-schools-commission?fbclid=IwAR3f9RBXYBuZkB9e3CVizUzREScgU0RxPb66swYYNNAu7lQjIbZ-sv5RDbc

Again, it falls on the families to actually be aware of the situation.  For those from modest backgrounds who have been offered a huge aid package (aka a huge discount) that may not have similar opportunities elsewhere, that may be all they focus on.

In happier news, Tucker Horn was today named one of five finalists for the Gagliardi Trophy (https://d3football.com/notables/2023/12/gagliardi-finalists).   The winner will be announced next Friday. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 07, 2023, 10:20:54 PM
I've got a friend of mine whose daughter is a senior high school basketball player.  She has been recruited by Milsaps and a few other schools.  He is completely aware of the current BSC situation and they are still leaning towards going with BSC.  There are still a number of people that have confidence that things will work themselves out with BSC, I'm currently losing confidence but still hopeful. 

This probation from the accreditation group is purely due to the financial situation, nothing to do with the academic standards that are very strong with BSC.  If the state does come through with the funding, that probation should be lifted, until the next financial speed bump comes up. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 16, 2023, 04:25:26 PM
Update on the BSC financial situation.  They have reapplied for the funding from the state with documentation from Servisfirst bank giving the state the first lender rights to the property if BSC faults on the loan.  Also, they included the value of the Hilltop apartments(student housing apartments on campus) and an office building on campus to boost the value of the property.  These are the things that the Alabama Treasurer stated were the reason for not giving the loan.  Hopefully the Treasurer won't wait 4 months on giving an answer so the college can go forward with plans as well as students can continue with BsC with confidence that the school will be here for at least another 4 years. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on December 19, 2023, 01:47:32 PM
Pro teams should take a look at Tucker Horn from Trinity University:

http://www.thegridironcrew.com/tucker-horn-2024-pro-prospect-interview/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 19, 2023, 04:23:56 PM
Tucker deserves a look, just not sure how much of an opportunity he will actually get. He may be able to get an opportunity in the USFL/XFL merged league or the CFL. Good luck to him whatever he does next.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2024, 07:15:44 PM
Update on B-SC from the WSJ...

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/birmingham-southern-college-alabama-aef0fcb7?

From the article...

QuoteYet resources continued to dwindle, and the endowment is now just over $20 million, according to Birmingham-Southern's state loan application, down from $125 million in 2003
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Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2024, 08:35:36 AM
A new bill pending in the Alabama Senate, SB31, would transfer administration of the state's distressed school loan program from the State Treasurer to the Executive Director of the Alabama Commission on Higher Education (https://www.al.com/news/2024/02/birmingham-southern-college-could-get-30-million-denied-loan-if-new-bill-passes.html).  A state-regulated bank would be required to review and approve the collateral offered and the restructuring plan.  Per the linked AL.com story, it has the support of at least 21 of the 30 members of the Senate, was introduced February 6th, and is pending action by the Finance and Taxation Education Committee (https://legiscan.com/AL/bill/SB31/2024).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on February 24, 2024, 05:14:03 PM
For BSC to have any kind of recovery, this needs to be approved now and needs to be given the money next week. They are losing students due to the unknown.  It will take a few years to get student numbers back to the 1200 mark.  Such a wonderful campus, still can't believe there is still a chance of losing it. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 28, 2024, 03:48:30 PM
The bill was reported out of committee (https://legiscan.com/AL/bill/SB31/2024) today. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 04, 2024, 03:01:34 PM
Sponsor Sen. Jabo Waggoner (who, btw, attended Birmingham-Southern on a basketball scholarship) says he hopes SB31 can be considered in the Alabama Senate this week, per AL.com (https://www.al.com/news/2024/03/alabama-senate-may-soon-consider-revised-birmingham-southern-loan-bill.html).

There is some opposition (despite the majority number of co-sponsors) led by Sen. Arthur Orr,  chair of the Senate's Finance and Taxation education committee; however, while Orr has clout as chairman of the education budget committee, Waggoner has influence as chair of the Rules Committee, which determines what bills come to the Senate floor (liberal cut and pasting from the article here).   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 08, 2024, 07:57:10 AM
SB31 has passed in the State Senate 23-5 (https://legiscan.com/AL/bill/SB31/2024) (with 7 absent) and has been read in the House, where it has been referred to the House Ways & Means Committee.  A few changes to the qualifications, the most significant that a bank not currently involved with the institution must certify the collateral pledged is sufficient:

QuoteCollateral shall be deemed sufficient if a college or university provides an opinion letter from a bank that is not a current creditor of the college or university making application and that is registered to do business in the State of Alabama and is regulated by the State Banking Department which states that the collateral offered by the college or university is sufficient to secure the requested amount of the loan
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 14, 2024, 01:38:20 PM
On the ASC board the UMHB are speculating about their schedule.  Here is what BSC has for 2024, as long as we have a school.....I'm tired of saying that.

Opening game is TBD.  So if any ASC teams needs an opening weekend game, we are available.
Sep 14 Huntingdon 6:00 central
Sep 28 @Hendrix
Oct 5  Sewanee
Oct 12 @Millsaps
Oct 19 Southwestern(Homecoming)
Oct 26 @Trinity
Nov 2  Centre
Nov 9  @Berry  2:00 eastern
Nov 16 Rhodes(Senior Day)  1:00 central
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on March 14, 2024, 09:57:15 PM
I still don't understand why LaGrange won't play BSC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on March 14, 2024, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 14, 2024, 01:38:20 PMOn the ASC board the UMHB are speculating about their schedule.  Here is what BSC has for 2024, as long as we have a school.....I'm tired of saying that.

Opening game is TBD.  So if any ASC teams needs an opening weekend game, we are available.
Sep 14 Huntingdon 6:00 central
Sep 28 @Hendrix
Oct 5  Sewanee
Oct 12 @Millsaps
Oct 19 Southwestern(Homecoming)
Oct 26 @Trinity
Nov 2  Centre
Nov 9  @Berry  2:00 eastern
Nov 16 Rhodes(Senior Day)  1:00 central

Do you think BSC would want to come to Texas two times this year?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 14, 2024, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: crufootball on March 14, 2024, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 14, 2024, 01:38:20 PMOn the ASC board the UMHB are speculating about their schedule.  Here is what BSC has for 2024, as long as we have a school.....I'm tired of saying that.

Opening game is TBD.  So if any ASC teams needs an opening weekend game, we are available.
Sep 14 Huntingdon 6:00 central
Sep 28 @Hendrix
Oct 5  Sewanee
Oct 12 @Millsaps
Oct 19 Southwestern(Homecoming)
Oct 26 @Trinity
Nov 2  Centre
Nov 9  @Berry  2:00 eastern
Nov 16 Rhodes(Senior Day)  1:00 central

Do you think BSC would want to come to Texas two times this year?

I'm sure if UMHB is willing to pay for the trip, we'd be more than happy do it.  We have met McMurry in Little Rock the last couple years, maybe Shreveport would work for the two of us. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 14, 2024, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on March 14, 2024, 09:57:15 PMI still don't understand why LaGrange won't play BSC.

They backed out on us, not sure why.  We've struggling ever since to fill week one. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 15, 2024, 09:13:58 AM
Hearings are now scheduled for Alabama SB31 (https://legiscan.com/AL/bill/SB31/2024) on Tuesday, 11:30AM, and Wednesday, 2:00PM.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on March 15, 2024, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 14, 2024, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on March 14, 2024, 09:57:15 PMI still don't understand why LaGrange won't play BSC.

They backed out on us, not sure why.  We've struggling ever since to fill week one. 
The thing is, they ended up with no game in week 1 either year and only played 9 games both years since they dropped you guys. Looking back at scores, 2021 was kind of a blowout but for the most part games have usually been competitive so it's not like they were getting steamrolled all the time. Just can't figure it out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 16, 2024, 11:13:15 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on March 15, 2024, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 14, 2024, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on March 14, 2024, 09:57:15 PMI still don't understand why LaGrange won't play BSC.

They backed out on us, not sure why.  We've struggling ever since to fill week one. 
The thing is, they ended up with no game in week 1 either year and only played 9 games both years since they dropped you guys. Looking back at scores, 2021 was kind of a blowout but for the most part games have usually been competitive so it's not like they were getting steamrolled all the time. Just can't figure it out.

I wouldn't mind seeing us get a series with Maryville.  With 8 conference games and our game with Huntingdon, it only leaves one game a year to see someone new.  Maybe one of the Louisiana schools would be interested in getting on the schedule.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 20, 2024, 11:02:33 AM
SB31 has been approved as amended by the House Ways and Means Committee (https://www.al.com/news/2024/03/birmingham-southern-loan-bill-changed-advances-in-alabama-legislature.html) and returns to the entire House for consideration.  The two amendments shouldn't impact B-SC; one is that recipients must be at least 100 years old; second, that local governments must also pony up 15% of the loan amounts, but B-SC already got a $5M package from the city that should cover that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 20, 2024, 12:05:42 PM
I have no problem with those changes, protects the state from possibly dealing with more request from schools that don't offer the same plus side as BSC towards its community. This still needs to speed up.  It's almost April, kids are beyond making plans for next year, especially incoming freshman. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on March 20, 2024, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 20, 2024, 11:02:33 AMSB31 has been approved as amended by the House Ways and Means Committee (https://www.al.com/news/2024/03/birmingham-southern-loan-bill-changed-advances-in-alabama-legislature.html) and returns to the entire House for consideration.  The two amendments shouldn't impact B-SC; one is that recipients must be at least 100 years old; second, that local governments must also pony up 15% of the loan amounts, but B-SC already got a $5M package from the city that should cover that.

I think the second really depends on how the the amendment was written (Don't have the actual text).  The way the discussion sounded, a previously executed loan wouldn't count towards the 15% of the new loan.  Obviously, I'm not a lawyer, but I could see that being argued.  The 100 year provision is interesting considering the University of Southern Alabama being in distress and being excluded by it...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 20, 2024, 12:22:20 PM
The 100-year proviso barely passed (7-6 with one abstention).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Etchglow on March 20, 2024, 12:44:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 20, 2024, 12:22:20 PMThe 100-year proviso barely passed (7-6 with one abstention).

Yeah, sounded like there was going to be some vigorous discussion on the floor about that one...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 26, 2024, 09:30:53 AM
From what I can gather (https://fastdemocracy.com/bill-search/al/2024rs/bills/ALB00016403/), SB31 has been placed on the House calendar with an April 2nd date for a third (and final) reading. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on March 26, 2024, 03:06:18 PM
BSC closing.
https://www.al.com/educationlab/2024/03/birmingham-southern-college-will-close-may-31-as-loan-bill-fails-to-gain-support.html
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 26, 2024, 03:16:50 PM
Damned shame.

I hope the other SAA schools and schools in the region will welcome those impacted by this closure. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 26, 2024, 03:50:09 PM
So much for needing a week one game...... >:(
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on March 26, 2024, 04:18:49 PM
And so the slow train wreck finally reaches it's end. Alabama is a very interesting place to live. I've never known somewhere so determined to cut off it's own nose to spite it's face. Will be interesting to see what happens to that property. It's an incredible waste if it is left to rot.

What would it take to lure $100 million of economic activity a year? A lot more than a $30 million loan. But when your school system is in the bottom 5 of the country, your population is poverty stricken, you believe anything the government touches is evil, and anywhere in the state that votes blue should be cut off... this is what you get. Oh, also an inability to apply the phrase "Roll Tide" or "War Eagle" doesn't help.

But go Montgomery Whitewater!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 26, 2024, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: jknezek on March 26, 2024, 04:18:49 PMAnd so the slow train wreck finally reaches it's end. Alabama is a very interesting place to live. I've never known somewhere so determined to cut off it's own nose to spite it's face. Will be interesting to see what happens to that property. It's an incredible waste if it is left to rot.

What would it take to lure $100 million of economic activity a year? A lot more than a $30 million loan. But when your school system is in the bottom 5 of the country, your population is poverty stricken, you believe anything the government touches is evil, and anywhere in the state that votes blue should be cut off... this is what you get. Oh, also an inability to apply the phrase "Roll Tide" or "War Eagle" doesn't help.

But go Montgomery Whitewater!

Exactly.  Sad day for BSC, Birmingham and Alabama. It will be interesting to see what does happen to that property.  Does UofA or AU take over quickly or does it sit.  If it sits, it won't take long for it to be ripped apart and destroyed beyond recognition.  Such a beautiful campus, be a shame if something doesn't take over quickly. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on March 26, 2024, 08:15:35 PM
I'm so sorry to hear this news. I feel so badly for all of the people in/at the school, the program, and all who supported and loved the Panthers. This a sad day for all of D-III, but especially for the Panthers and their supporters! Praying the students and staff/faculty quickly find a home
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 26, 2024, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on March 26, 2024, 03:06:18 PMBSC closing.
https://www.al.com/educationlab/2024/03/birmingham-southern-college-will-close-may-31-as-loan-bill-fails-to-gain-support.html

You guys have something of ours, please take good care of it while we are gone.  If you will please place it somewhere special that we may come by and see it occasionally. 

The Wesley Cup has new meaning today, it is now a memorial of the past. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: D3Navy on March 27, 2024, 09:49:01 AM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 26, 2024, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on March 26, 2024, 03:06:18 PMBSC closing.
https://www.al.com/educationlab/2024/03/birmingham-southern-college-will-close-may-31-as-loan-bill-fails-to-gain-support.html

You guys have something of ours, please take good care of it while we are gone.  If you will please place it somewhere special that we may come by and see it occasionally. 

The Wesley Cup has new meaning today, it is now a memorial of the past. 

Must be really tough to lose the school and teams.  We all look forward to the season, the good-natured back and forth, the analysis, and the ooh-rahs.  You are clearly passionate and insightful.  If you want to hitch your wagon to a quality school and athletic program, Trinity would love to have you onboard! 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 27, 2024, 09:43:31 PM
This just put a hole in all the SAA football schedules, and Huntingdon.  Be interesting to see what all the schools do and who gets added to everyone's schedule.  Wonder if they will reset the conference schedule or just go with what was already posted?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2024, 09:54:19 PM
I don't think I've seen anyone in the conference actually announce a schedule, though everyone has probably gone to the trouble of lining up their non-conf games and there was no doubt a conference schedule in place.  Trying to find tenth opponents now is going to be well-nigh impossible no matter what the SAA ends up doing. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: crufootball on March 27, 2024, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on Yesterday at 09:54:19 PMI don't think I've seen anyone in the conference actually announce a schedule, though everyone has probably gone to the trouble of lining up their non-conf games and there was no doubt a conference schedule in place.  Trying to find tenth opponents now is going to be well-nigh impossible no matter what the SAA ends up doing.

I might know of a couple of schools who are looking for games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Gray Fox on March 27, 2024, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on Yesterday at 09:54:19 PMI don't think I've seen anyone in the conference actually announce a schedule, though everyone has probably gone to the trouble of lining up their non-conf games and there was no doubt a conference schedule in place.  Trying to find tenth opponents now is going to be well-nigh impossible no matter what the SAA ends up doing. 
SCIAC teams may have openings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Inkblot on March 28, 2024, 01:02:21 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on Yesterday at 09:54:19 PMI don't think I've seen anyone in the conference actually announce a schedule, though everyone has probably gone to the trouble of lining up their non-conf games and there was no doubt a conference schedule in place.  Trying to find tenth opponents now is going to be well-nigh impossible no matter what the SAA ends up doing. 

Berry, Centre, Millsaps, and Sewanee all have schedules posted.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on March 28, 2024, 08:36:39 AM
One thing that makes this difficult for Huntingdon is with our conference schedule this year we already go to Methodist, NC Wesleyan, and Southern Virginia so our travel budget is already stretched. Unless we can find someone to come to Montgomery or go non-D3(Faulkner/Point) then replacing that day trip will be a big unexpected expense, probably a flight. It will be true for all of our sports going forward.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: OriginalPanther on March 28, 2024, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: jknezek on March 26, 2024, 04:18:49 PMAnd so the slow train wreck finally reaches it's end. Alabama is a very interesting place to live. I've never known somewhere so determined to cut off it's own nose to spite it's face. Will be interesting to see what happens to that property. It's an incredible waste if it is left to rot.

What would it take to lure $100 million of economic activity a year? A lot more than a $30 million loan. But when your school system is in the bottom 5 of the country, your population is poverty stricken, you believe anything the government touches is evil, and anywhere in the state that votes blue should be cut off... this is what you get. Oh, also an inability to apply the phrase "Roll Tide" or "War Eagle" doesn't help.

But go Montgomery Whitewater!

An alternative interpretation of the last several years, even going back to 2007-10 when I was on the first 4 teams, is that BSC did this to themselves. This post drips of the kind of elitist entitlement coursing through BSC that turns many off. The Treasurer's recent Op-Ed laid this out plainly and many of the things he cited were things I witnessed first-hand. Alabama Treasurer statement (https://aldailynews.com/boozer-if-birmingham-southern-closes-its-not-on-me/)
When he denied BSC's loan application, BSC decided to make a bunch of back-handed comments and personal attacks about the Treasurer in the local media despite the fact the loan program statute clearly indicated the Treasurer is the one person in Alabama that BSC needed to have a good relationship with. It wasn't even possible the Treasurer, who has 50+ years of banking and finance experience, was properly exercising the judgment entrusted to him by the statute and the 5 million residents of Alabama before doling out public money to a private school. No, it BSC's mind, it must be that the Treasurer is acting in an arbitrary, capricious, mean-spirited and illegal manner...It can't possibly be anything else. This is the tone they took when suing to attempt to force the Treasurer into doing his job the way BSC wanted it done. The lawsuit was filed and lost in a total of 8 days because BSC's case had absolutely no merit at all, and there was no appeal.

I hate BSC is closing, and I hate the football program I helped build is being wiped away. When I first came to the school, we had no locker room and no stadium, just drawings of what it they would look like. We practiced on the intramural fields and kept our pads in the common areas of the dorms. We played games in four different stadiums around town before ours opened at the end of year 2. Of the 110 freshmen on the first team, only 17 played all four years and graduated. I will miss my school dearly, but none of that excuses the ungraceful, flailing, childish temper-tantrums unleashed by BSC's leadership, who I expect to know better.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: BSCpanthers on March 28, 2024, 12:37:49 PM
I'm going off of memory, so some of my dates will be wrong.  But Boozer did not act in good faith either.  It took his office 6 weeks to make the loan available for application, once it posted then removed the post that the loan application could begin.  Once BSC applied his office sat on the application again for a few weeks.  Whe they made their decision, they not contact the school, they literally put a letter in the mail through the US post office and mailed it to BSC so it would arrive just days short of an important date for the school.  The treasures' office did everything in their power to hinder BSC's ability to absorb and adjust course from the denial of the loan.  All those things is the reason for ill fated lawsuit.  There is also a history, not a good one, between Boozer and Serviceone, the current lender to BSC.  Let's also not forget the gov'ner was against giving BSC any money and Boozer was appointed by her when the position came open.  He was acting on her behalf to deny the loan, they are both in their 70's and know they are not going for a reelection the next time around. 

BSC offers an economic benefit for the neighborhood it sits as well as for Birmingham and Alabama.  Birmingham Southern was on its way to recovery before Covid hit, and they did not receive any funds from the Covid payout.  They continued to have in person classes and did not go virtual during the Covid year.  People like to get caught up with the "Liberal Arts" college and want to make that political, mean while BSC has one of the most conservative campus's in the state, as well as one of the most diverse. It doesn't have the highest tuition cost, which is another misbelief by many in this state.  BSC was worth saving, it's unfortunate that it needed saving, and now it is gone.  Hopefully another school will fall into its place and keep that beautiful campus together. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
Post by: OriginalPanther on March 28, 2024, 04:02:32 PM
Very little of that makes sense. Firstly, yes, the Governor did voice opposition to the idea of using public money to bailout a private institution. The executive branch routinely denied BSC's requests/pleas for State money from the various funds the State has set up to support its own educational institutions in the event of an emergency, as they would be expected to do. However, the Governor did sign the bill once passed by both the House and Senate, so there is nothing you can say about her level of cooperation in this effort. There's certainly no reason to say she signed it but directed others to stand in BSC's path thereafter unless you're just trying to cope with disappointment. If BSC is so conservative (which I disagree with, but that's not important here), I don't understand their shock that the conservative government of a conservative State is not inclined to risk giving (because that's what it would be after bankruptcy) money to a failing school, and a private one at that. It is against the very tenets of fiscal conservatism. Finally, the Governor does not appoint the Treasurer - that is a State-wide elected office. Kay Ivey is done after this term, yes, but the Treasurer is not. He is on his third term now and the only restriction I am aware of is he cannot have more than two consecutive terms, which he has not. I am not aware of any upper age restrictions on that office either.

We can complain about how long it takes to implement a program which never existed prior to last year, but we would look stupid in doing so. It's part of the bargain for relying on the State for something you're supposed to be able to do yourselves. I certainly can't fault a Constitutional Officer for attempting to be as thorough as possible when it comes to lending out money that BSC impliedly says they can't get from their alumni or borrow from a bank, or finding out whether the State would actually get any of the assets put up as collateral. Imagine if he issued the loan, the school later defaulted, and when the collateralized assets were sold all that money went to the other banks and the state got left with nothing because the Treasurer wasn't thorough enough...People in government go to jail for things like that.

As for the complaints about timing, BSC did that to themselves. They are the ones that described the loan program as their last resort. "When" they found out they were denied has no bearing on what their fate was going to be after denial...they are the ones who are apparently unable to borrow anything else from ServisFirst. And they are the ones whose education program is one of the top ten that "leads to graduate school", which is another way of saying "leads to more tuition payments, more student debt and less disposable income for our alumni to donate back to us in the short term". I also don't get what you mean about the Treasurer's office not contacting the school but placed a letter of denial in the mail...that is just contradictory.