Pool B

Started by Ralph Turner, October 01, 2005, 02:12:36 PM

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jaybird44

Wash-U will be a Pool B, since it will be an independent this season before moving to the CCIW as an affiliate member in 2018.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: K-Mack on August 19, 2017, 05:53:49 PM
I have a spreadsheet that can answer the above questions, if anyone still cares.

Was hoping I might luck out and find a breakdown of the 2017 Pool Bs here. I guess i have to use my brain  ;D
Sorry K-Mack.  I was waiting on the release of Kickoff 2017 before I compiled a list.

LOL!

WashU is the first team that comes to mind.

I think that the ASC moves back to Pool A this year, if the NCAA accepts the affiliate status of Southwestern and Texas Lutheran (The SCAC discontinued football.)
McMurry is Year 4 re-classifying and I believe that Belhaven is Year-3 Provisional.

wally_wabash

Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 25, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
Quote from: K-Mack on August 19, 2017, 05:53:49 PM
I have a spreadsheet that can answer the above questions, if anyone still cares.

Was hoping I might luck out and find a breakdown of the 2017 Pool Bs here. I guess i have to use my brain  ;D
Sorry K-Mack.  I was waiting on the release of Kickoff 2017 before I compiled a list.

LOL!

WashU is the first team that comes to mind.

I think that the ASC moves back to Pool A this year, if the NCAA accepts the affiliate status of Southwestern and Texas Lutheran (The SCAC discontinued football.)
McMurry is Year 4 re-classifying and I believe that Belhaven is Year-3 Provisional.

Believe that the ASC regains Pool A status in 2018. 
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Ralph Turner

So far for Pool B:

ASC                8       6 full members and 2 affiliates (plus 1 re-classifying and 1 provisional)
Wash U
Finlandia

10 teams which I believe will be enough for 1 Pool B bid.

wally_wabash

Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 25, 2017, 11:03:45 AM
So far for Pool B:

ASC                8       6 full members and 2 affiliates (plus 1 re-classifying and 1 provisional)
Wash U
Finlandia

10 teams which I believe will be enough for 1 Pool B bid.

The NEWMAC has to go through a 2-year cycle also before they get an automatic bid.  So you've got 18 Pool B-eligible teams in 2017, with an access ration of 8-point-something so there should be two B's this year.  In 2018, it's just the NEWMAC and the access ratio might go up to 9 which would mean zero Bs- but that part I'm not certain of.  I haven't done the math for 2018- it'll be close though. 
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We might need to start a thread like in the basketball board that keeps track of all the movement and changes.
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Quote from: wally_wabash on August 25, 2017, 11:10:16 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 25, 2017, 11:03:45 AM
So far for Pool B:

ASC                8       6 full members and 2 affiliates (plus 1 re-classifying and 1 provisional)
Wash U                        Goes to the CCIW as an affiliate in 2018
Finlandia                      Goes to the MIAA as an affiliate in 2018

10 teams which I believe will be enough for 1 Pool B bid.


The NEWMAC has to go through a 2-year cycle also before they get an automatic bid.  So you've got 18 Pool B-eligible teams in 2017, with an access ration of 8-point-something so there should be two B's this year.  In 2018, it's just the NEWMAC and the access ratio might go up to 9 which would mean zero Bs- but that part I'm not certain of.  I haven't done the math for 2018- it'll be close though.
Yes!  Thanks. I finally am getting to read my copy of Kickoff.

We can begin to calculate the ratio.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 26, 2017, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 25, 2017, 11:10:16 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 25, 2017, 11:03:45 AM
So far for Pool B:

ASC                8       6 full members and 2 affiliates (plus 1 re-classifying and 1 provisional)
Wash U                        Goes to the CCIW as an affiliate in 2018
Finlandia                      Goes to the MIAA as an affiliate in 2018

10 teams which I believe will be enough for 1 Pool B bid.


The NEWMAC has to go through a 2-year cycle also before they get an automatic bid.  So you've got 18 Pool B-eligible teams in 2017, with an access ration of 8-point-something so there should be two B's this year.  In 2018, it's just the NEWMAC and the access ratio might go up to 9 which would mean zero Bs- but that part I'm not certain of.  I haven't done the math for 2018- it'll be close though.
Yes!  Thanks. I finally am getting to read my copy of Kickoff.

We can begin to calculate the ratio.
Is the Commonwealth Coast Conference with its 6 members eligible for Pool A?  I don't think so. Altho' an established conference, they only have 6 full members playing varsity football this year.  Univ of New England is only playing JV this year.

Ralph Turner

Please check my math.

North Region:  CCIW-9; HCAC-9; MIAA-7; NACC-7; NCAC-10; OAC-10   6 conferences with 52 full members
East Region: Empire 8-8; ECFC-7; LL-6; MAC-10; MASCAC-9; NJAC-10   6 conferences with 50 full members (ECFC, Dean doesn't count)
South Region: CC-10; ODAC-7; PresAC-11; SAA-9; USAC-8   5 conferences with 45 full members (USAC- Brevard doesn't count)
West Region: IIAC-9; MIAC-9; MWC-12: NWC-8; SCIAC-8: UMAC-10; WIAC-8.  7 conferences with 64 members.

24 conferences with 211 full members = a ratio of 8.791.

ASC 8  (McMurry and Belhaven do not count.)
Commonwealth Coast 6
NEWMAC  8
Independents 2

24 / 8.791 = 2.73, truncated to 2.


wally_wabash

Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 26, 2017, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 26, 2017, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 25, 2017, 11:10:16 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 25, 2017, 11:03:45 AM
So far for Pool B:

ASC                8       6 full members and 2 affiliates (plus 1 re-classifying and 1 provisional)
Wash U                        Goes to the CCIW as an affiliate in 2018
Finlandia                      Goes to the MIAA as an affiliate in 2018

10 teams which I believe will be enough for 1 Pool B bid.


The NEWMAC has to go through a 2-year cycle also before they get an automatic bid.  So you've got 18 Pool B-eligible teams in 2017, with an access ration of 8-point-something so there should be two B's this year.  In 2018, it's just the NEWMAC and the access ratio might go up to 9 which would mean zero Bs- but that part I'm not certain of.  I haven't done the math for 2018- it'll be close though.
Yes!  Thanks. I finally am getting to read my copy of Kickoff.

We can begin to calculate the ratio.
Is the Commonwealth Coast Conference with its 6 members eligible for Pool A?  I don't think so. Altho' an established conference, they only have 6 full members playing varsity football this year.  Univ of New England is only playing JV this year.

They would be scheduled to lose it in 2019, but Husson is coming on board which keeps that league AQ eligible. 
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Pat Coleman

The CCC maintains the NEFC automatic bid, yes.
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Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 26, 2017, 11:05:59 PM
Please check my math.

North Region:  CCIW-9; HCAC-9; MIAA-7; NACC-7; NCAC-10; OAC-10   6 conferences with 52 full members
East Region: Empire 8-8; ECFC-7; LL-6; MAC-10; MASCAC-9; NJAC-10; CCC-6   6 conferences with 50 full members 7 conferences with 56 members (ECFC, Dean doesn't count)
South Region: CC-10; ODAC-7; PresAC-11; SAA-9; USAC-8   5 conferences with 45 full members (USAC- Brevard doesn't count)
West Region: IIAC-9; MIAC-9; MWC-12: NWC-8; SCIAC-8: UMAC-10; WIAC-8.  7 conferences with 64 members.

24 conferences with 211 full members = a ratio of 8.791.  25 conferences with 217 members  =  8.68

ASC 8  (McMurry and Belhaven do not count.)
Commonwealth Coast 6
NEWMAC  8
Independents 2

18 / 8.68 = 2.07, truncated to 2.

Thanks Pat.

Ralph Turner

SRSU won at second season D-2 UT-Permian Basin very handily, 47-22. (That is a monkey-stomp!)

Wash U takes a loss as does Finlandia. 

Right now, I think that the 2nd bid is between the NEWMAC leader and the #2 in the ASC.  That SRSU win looks nice, but will be deep in the secondary criteria come the end of the season. 

My over-under for HSU next week against NAIA Texas College is 56 points. 

If we have a three way tie in the ASC, which happened in 2003 and 2015, then the wins in secondary criteria may be critical for Pool B and C.  UMHB goes to Linfield on 09/16.

Ralph Turner

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After 3 weeks. the leading contenders for the 2 Pool B bids are:

UMHB (2-0) and HSU (2-0) from the ASC.

Sul Ross State is 1-1 with a loss to UMHB 23-7 and a win over D-2 UT Permian Basin 47-22.



Springfield (3-0) from the NEWMAC.

Catholic, Coast Guard, MIT, and WPI have 2-1 records .



Independent WashU St Louis is 1-2.

smedindy

If Springfield runs the table, they have to get in, so the UMHB / HSU clash may be a B elimination game. (I would say as usual, but that would be off the cuff...)

I also know that's rather premature to think that.