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AndOne

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 18, 2018, 05:49:27 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 18, 2018, 05:45:09 PM
Will NWU be voted #1 in the final poll? Should they be?

Yes and yes.  They were more than impressive.  Oshkosh was incredible; they broke or tied just about all the final four 3pt records in the championship game and still came up short.  That's a well earned victory - plus when you add in Platteville and Whitman, that's plenty of resume to make up for the non-conference schedule.

What's more impressive is how the guys handled themselves.  Rarely do you see a team so even keeled and unflappable, even moreso when they're as young as these guys are.  Immediately after the game was over, to a man, they were all talking about getting better for next year and winning more titles.  It didn't feel like they'd achieved a goal so much as just done what they expected to do.  Pretty impressive.

Final Top 25 Poll does indeed have NWU as #1

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2017-18/final




AndOne

It seems that in the locker room at Platteville before the Whitman game, NWU Coach Dale Wellman wrote a message on the board;

To be the best, we have to beat the best.

sac

Quote from: KnightSlappy on March 19, 2018, 02:09:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 19, 2018, 01:19:37 PM
I'd be curious to know if there's ever been a Hope-to-Calvin men's basketball transfer, or vice-versa.

Quote from: gordonmann on March 19, 2018, 01:39:13 PM
Siblings Carrie Snikkers (Hope) and Tom Snikkers (Calvin) is the best I can come up with, though the Verkaik sisters who played at Calvin were babysitters for Hope Coach Brian Morehouse.

Going back to the mid-2000s, Dustin Smith played football at Hope for a year then transferred to Calvin to play basketball for the remainder of his career.

Tom Morrison, on Calvin's current roster, went to Hope for a year as part of their JV basketball team. He transferred to Calvin and now plays with his younger brother.

I'm sure there are several others that I've forgotten or was unaware of.

Tom Morrison was actually at Hope for two years.

Hope AD Ryan Schoonveld originally attended Calvin before an injury sidelined him.  He took a year or two off and finished out at Hope though he did not play basketball.

I think I remember Ryan Klein (mid/lates '00's) actually spent a week at Calvin before enrolling at Hope his Fr. year.  Might have that wrong though.



Ralph Turner

#11823
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 19, 2018, 06:11:32 PM
First off.. the rumor was just that... a rumor. It came certainly from those who have experience in these things, but they were speculating and not basing it on anything but their experience. I talked to sources in Texas: the schools did not team up and not put in to host as a plan. The Texas schools happened to not put in bidding papers.

Not sure what you were able to glean, Ryan, but I did not get that impression at all from my conversations with people. The committee was very interested in moving the two apart from one another AND having Whitman host at the same time. I think if one of the Texas schools could have hosted (say Schreiner) it would have worked out perfectly from the committee's point of view. I do NOT think there is any indication that either Whit should NOT put in to host. I think it is a double-edged sword.

I also think it depends on the national committee. There are times in the past that no hosts seem available and the committee has called on a school to host despite the lack of paperwork. I can think of a few occasions in the second round, for example. However, in recent years the committees have seemed to decide they aren't going to reward schools who forget to do their due diligence nor are they going to arrange brackets and make decisions that could benefit others when not everyone is doing their jobs - as it where.

If both Whits don't put in to host, they very well could solve the bracketing problem... but they also force the idea of traveling back and forth from Washington three weekends in a row if that successful. That can wear a program out. They also risk leaving their home fans wanting and having to watch games at different times far away from their own homes. While the idea is novel and could result in some interesting ideas... I don't think it necessarily is in the best interest of those involved.

I have not been in Schreiner's gym, but had Schreiner (13-12 regular season and 15-12 pre-NCAA record) put in the bid, then SRSU and LeTU could have been bussed.

SRSU in Alpine (which has a very nice gym, the Gallego Center) would have require 2 flights.  (It is almost equidistant from LeTU in Longview Tx to Atlanta GA, Emory, and Alpine TX, SRSU,  > 600 miles)

I have been in LeTU's gym, but my impression is that UT-Tyler, UTD, UMHB, HSU, McMurry, Howard Payne, Louisiana College and  possibly even Concordia TX in the ASC have better facilities, and meeting criteria to host (just my humble opinion).

So we have one flight from someone to Texas, and then 2 more flights into Washington. 

CMS made sure to prevent the Whitworth-Whitman rematch.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Schreiner would have been the solution. CMS didn't do anything to the bracket to force anything because a California school was coming out no matter what the equation.
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Ralph Turner

#11825
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 02:05:25 PM
Schreiner would have been the solution. CMS didn't do anything to the bracket to force anything because a California school was coming out no matter what the equation.
Thanks for the comment.

If we have the Schreiner bracket, then we have 2 ASC teams who can bus to Kerrville TX and we fly in Whitworth:

"South #7" Schreiner (15-12)  playing South #2 Sul Ross State (22-6 from the ASC-West)

West #2 Whitworth (24-3) playing South #3 LeTourneau (23-4 from the ASC-East) who lost at Sul Ross 92-82 in the regular season.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Most likely, Ralph. CMS goes to Whitman and they fly two teams in there... it is still four flights, but a bracket we (including the cmte) would rather have had.
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mailsy

Since we are three and half weeks til preseason starts and the season starts a week earlier this year; is the preseason top 25 poll going to come out any earlier than around Nov 1, as it did last year?

You know we're all itching for b ball to begin.  ;D
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Quote from: mailsy on September 20, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
Since we are three and half weeks til preseason starts and the season starts a week earlier this year; is the preseason top 25 poll going to come out any earlier than around Nov 1, as it did last year?

You know we're all itching for b ball to begin.  ;D

Probably. We're making a final push for help from schools in posting schedules and then we can really move on preseason stuff.
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Titan Q

#11830
If I had to submit a ballot for the D3hoops.com Preseason Top 25 poll at this early stage (Sept 29), it would look something like this...

(Top three returning scorers for each team noted.)

#1) Nebraska Wesleyan (30-3, 13-3 IIAC, IIAC Champ, NCAA National Championship)
* Cooper Cook, 6-5 Sr F; 16.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg
* Ryan Garver; 6-3 Sr G; 14.2 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4.6 apg
* Jack Hiller; 6-6 Jr G; 13.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg

#2) Springfield (22-9, 12-2 NEWMAC, NEWMAC Champ; NCAA National Semifinal Game)
* Jake Ross, 6-4 Jr G; 24.8 ppg, 9.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg
* Heath Post, 6-6 Jr F; 12.6 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 2.1 apg
* Cam Earle, 6-5 Sr G; 9.4 ppg, 2.6 rpg 

#3) UW-Oshkosh (25-8, 9-5 WIAC, WIAC 3rd, NCAA National Runner Up)
* Ben Boots, 6-1 Sr G; 16.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.4 apg
* Jack Flynn, 6-8 Jr C; 12.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg
* Adam Fravert, 6-8 Jr F; 12.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.9 apg

#4) Augustana (25-6, 12-4 CCIW, CCIW Co-Champ, NCAA 4th Round)
* Nolan Ebel, 6-1 Sr G; 16.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.8 apg
* Chrishawn Orange, 6-2 Sr G; 15.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.5 apg
* Brett Benning, 6-6 Sr G; 10.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg
(*Pierson Wofford, 6-4 Jr F; 14.7 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 3.0 apg[/i]; 3 games/injured)

#5) Williams (23-6, 7-3 NESCAC, NESCAC Co-champ, NCAA 2nd Round)
* James Heskett, 6-8 Sr F; 19.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg 
* Kyle Scadlock, 6-8 Sr F; 18.0 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 2.3 apg
* Bobby Casey, 6-3 Sr G; 15.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.1 apg

#6) Swarthmore (25-6, 15-3 CC, CC Co-champ, NCAA 4th Round)
* Cam Wiley, 6-0 Sr G; 16.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg
* Zac O'Dell, 6-7 Jr F; 10.6 ppg, 8.2 rpg
* Nate Shafer, 6-6 Jr F; 9.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg

#7) UW-Platteville (24-5, 12-2 WIAC, WIAC Champ, NCAA 3rd Round)
* Robert Duax, 6-4 Sr F; 15.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.2 apg
* Carter Voelker, 6-3 Jr G; 10.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.2 apg
* Quentin Shields, 5-8 So G; 10.2 ppg, 3.2 rpg

#8) Hamilton (24-5, 7-3 NESCAC, NESCAC Co-Champ, NCAA 3rd Round
* Kena Gimour, 6-3 Jr G; 18.5 ppg, 7.2 rpg
* Peter Hoffman, 6-5 Sr F; 13.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg
* Michael Grassey, 6-4 Sr F;  12.8 ppg, 7.1 rpg 

#9) MIT (25-6, 10-4 NEWMAC, NEWMAC Co-champ; NCAA 4th Round)
* Bradley Jomard, 6-6 Sr G; 15.5 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 6.0 apg
* AJ Jurko, 6-3 Sr G; 14.2 ppg; 4.7 rpg, 5.9 apg
* Cameron Korb, 6-1 Sr G; 14.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg

#10) Whitman (29-2, 16-0 NWC, NWC Champ, NCAA 4th Round)
* Joey Hewitt, 6-2 Sr G; 16.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg
* Darne Duckett, 5-11 So G; 10.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.9 apg
* Trevor Osborne, 6-2 Jr F; 9.7 ppg, 3.6 rpg

#11) Illinois Wesleyan (19-8, 12-4 CCIW, CCIW Co-champ, NCAA 1st Round)
* Brady Rose, 6-3 Sr G; 21.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.1 apg
* Colin Bonnett, 6-4 Sr G; 12.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.6 apg
* Alex O'Neil, 6-9 Jr C; 9.2 ppg, 5.5 rpg

#12) Plattsburgh State (24-5, 17-1 SUNYAC, SUNYAC Champ, NCAA 3rd Round)
* Jonathan Patron, 6-2 Sr F; 23.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg
* Brandon Johnson, 5-10 Sr G; 8.8 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.6 apg
* Nick DeAngelis, 6-4 Jr G; 8.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg

#13) Whitworth (24-4, 14-2 NWC, NWC 2nd, NCAA 1st Round
* Kyle Roach, 6-5 Sr G; 18.7 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.8 apg
* Ben College, 6-1 Jr G; 16.5 ppg, 2.1 apg
* Jordan Lester, 6-2 Sr G; 15.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.6 apg

#14) UW-Stevens Point (21-9, 11-3 WIAC, WIAC 2nd, NCAA 3rd Round)
* Nate Dodge, 6-3 Sr G; 11.6 ppg, 3.1 rpg
* Canon O'Heron, 6-5 Sr F; 10.9 ppg, 3.4 rpg
* Drew Frederickson, 6-0 Sr G; 7.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.2 apg
(Ethan Bublitz, 6-2 Sr G; returning from injury)

#15) Loras (19-7, 12-4 IIAC, IIAC 2nd, NCAA n/a)
* Josh Ruggles, 6-2 Sr G; 22.4 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 3.5 apg
* Ryan Dicanio, 6-3 Sr G; 17.8 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 4.7 apg
* Rowan McGowen, 6-4 So G; 10.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg

#16) Marietta (21-7, 14-4 OAC, OAC Co-champ, NCAA 1st Round
* Kyle Dixon, 6-3 Sr G; 14.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.8 apg
* Anthony Wallace, 6-2 Sr G; 12.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.0 apg
* Avery Williams, 6-7 Sr F; 11.6 ppg, 7.5 rpg 

#17) Wittenberg (27-3, 16-2 NCAC, NCAC Champ, NCAA 2nd Round)
* Mitchell Balser, 6-0 Sr G; 12.2 ppg, 3.2 ppg, 3.5 apg
* Connor Seipel, 6-6 Jr F; 11.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg
* Jacob Bertemes, 5-11 Jr G; 11.0 ppg, 2.4 ppg, 3.2 apg

#18) Emory (23-5, 12-2 UAA, UAA 2nd, NCAA 3rd Round)
* Romin Williams, 5-9 So G; 15.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.6 apg
* Gebereal Baitey, 6-2 Sr G; 11.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.8 apg
* Matt Davet, 6-7 So F; 8.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg

#19) Middlebury (21-7, 7-3 NESCAC, NESCAC Co-champ, NCAA 3rd Round)
* Matt Folger, 6-8 Jr F; 13.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg
* Eric McCord, 6-7 Sr F; 8.5 ppg, 6.8 rpg
* Jack Farrell, 6-1 So G; 8.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg 

#20) Johns Hopkins (24-5, 15-3 CC, CC Champ, NCAA 2nd Round)
* Michael Gardner, 6-2 Sr G; 14.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg
* Conner Delaney, 6-0 So G; 10.7 ppg, 3.6 rpg
* Joey Kern, 6-1 So G; 8.9 ppg, 2.9 rpg

#21) St. John's (23-4, 19-1 MIAC, MIAC Champ, NCAA 1st Round)
* David Stokman, 6-2 Sr G; 13.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.2 rpg
* Jubie Alade, 6-4 Jr F; 11.0 ppg, 3.4 rpg
* Lucas Walford, 6-8 Jr C; 9.0 ppg, 9.3 rpg

#22) St. Olaf (20-8, 15-5 MIAC, MIAC 2nd, NCAA 2nd Round)
* Austin Korba, 6-5 Sr F; 14.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg
* Nate Albers, 6-3 Jr G; 12.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg
* Dominic Bledsoe, 6-0 So G; 10.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg

#23) Wooster (22-7, 14-4 NCAC, NCAC 2nd, NCAA 2nd Round)
* Danyon Hempy, 6-5 Jr G; 15.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg
* Reece Dupler, 6-2 Sr G; 14.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg
* Blake Blair, 6-2 Sr G; 7.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg 

#24) Hope (19-10, 10-4 MIAA, MIAA Co-champ; NCAA 2nd Round)
* Jason Beckman, 5-11 Sr G; 22.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.1 apg
* Preston Granger, 6-6 So C; 9.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg
* Teddy Ray, 6-5 Sr F; 9.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg 

#25) Wesleyan (22-7, 7-3 NESCAC, NESCAC Co-champ; NCAA 2nd Round)
* Jordan Bonner, 6-4 Sr G; 15.5 ppg, 4.7 rpg
* Austin Hutcherson, 6-6 So G; 12.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.7 apg
* Antone Walker, 6-0 So G; 7.6 ppg
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First Two Out:

#26) Bethel (21-7, 14-6 MIAC, MIAC 3rd; NCAA n/a)
* Granger Kingland, 6-4 Jr G; 14.4 ppg, 6.3 rpg
* Matt Ambriz, 6-2 Sr G; 13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg
* Jack Jenson, 6-1 Jr G; 11.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg

#27) Maryville TN (22-7, 14-2 USAC, USAC Champ; NCAA 1st Round)
* Dante Hoppa, 6-5 Sr. F; 12.7 ppg, 5.1 ppg, 2.2 apg
* Calvin Songster, 6-2 Sr G; 12.7 ppg, 2.6 ppg, 2.5 apg
* Emier Bowman, 6-3 Sr F; 12.1 ppg, 6.7 rpg 

There are many teams I'd keep an eye on outside of the 27 above.  That list would include, but certainly not be limited to: New Jersey City; Washington U (re-loading with a very talented nucleus); North Central and Wheaton from the CCIW; UW-Whitewater; and Amherst. 

I'm sure I am missing a few legit Top 25 contenders above.  Any thoughts on who those are?

WUPHF

UChicago may be ORV by December with the potential for a Top 25 ranking if they can get it done against a relatively tough schedule.

IWU on the road to start the season.
Claremont Mudd Scripps (not sure how good they are this season) and Ohio Wesleyan or Springfield at home.
Lake Forest on the road. (not sure how good they are this season)
Wheaton on the road.

I think they have a legitimate shot to knock off a few of these teams.  They lose two good players who had great senior campaigns, but they currently have 4-5 seniors who have the potential to be great.

Titan Q

Quote from: WUPHF on September 30, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
UChicago may be ORV by December with the potential for a Top 25 ranking if they can get it done against a relatively tough schedule.

IWU on the road to start the season.
Claremont Mudd Scripps (not sure how good they are this season) and Ohio Wesleyan or Springfield at home.
Lake Forest on the road. (not sure how good they are this season)
Wheaton on the road.

I think they have a legitimate shot to knock off a few of these teams.  They lose two good players who had great senior campaigns, but they currently have 4-5 seniors who have the potential to be great.

I believe CMS graduated their top 2-3 guys.

Titan Q

#11833
I looked at the UAA pretty closely as it seems like the league should have 2 Top 25 teams.  Emory seems like the top pick.  But after that I couldn't figure out who the second should be.

I think Wash U will emerge as that team.  Jack Nolan is an absolutely stud and the Hardy kid (freshman) is a scholarship level player too.  But hard to rank Wash U in the preseason.

Maybe Chicago emerges as a Top 25 team...obviously hard to rank the Maroons in preseason.

Wash U just picked up a D1-caliber recruit for next year - Boehm.  Juckem is rolling.

WUPHF

#11834
Chicago does have a freshman guard who had two Division I scholarship offers.  Time will tell with the Maroons.

Otherwise, I could not agree more about the UAA and Washington University.  The league may only have one ranked team by the end of the season though.  I do expect a lot of carnage.

As good as Jack Nolan, I do think the story for the Bears will be the combination of Nolan and Matt Nester.  Fans who watched their first round loss caught a glimpse.  He is certainly going to lead the league in assists this season.

Admittedly, I want to see signing day come and go before I celebrate the Boehm announcement, but yeah, that is big.