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Title: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: charge on October 30, 2004, 11:22:33 AM
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Title: HCAC
Post by: Brian Sullivan on December 14, 2004, 06:20:27 PM
Just wondering about the lack of ANY votes for Franklin in the national rankings.  This is a team that has averaged 21 wins a year the previous three winters, including 23-5 last year, and has started off 6-1 this time around.  Thoughts?
Title: HCAC
Post by: Brian Sullivan on December 19, 2004, 08:56:56 PM
Perhaps knocking off the defending national champs, leading wire-to-wire, will do the trick.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: sully on October 10, 2005, 10:46:25 AM
Best of luck this season to Franklin.  The senior class has gone 64-20 over the last three seasons, including 33-9 in conference play.  With 22 wins this season, the senior class will become the winningest class in school history.

Key returnees include:
Lindsey Robertson (5'9 Sr. SG) - 16.4 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.5 spg, 36.3% 3pt, 82.1% FT
Becky Ballard (5'10 Sr. PF) - 15.0 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 48.9% FG, 74.4% FT
Leslie Mehrlich (6'0 Sr. C) - 10.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 53.8% FG, 70.4% FT
Brittany Beehler (5'3 Jr. PG) - 3.7 ppg, 5.6 apg, 2.8 spg, 41.7% 3pt
Katie Douglas (6'0 Jr. PF) - 4.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 46.3% FG
Kelly Snider (5'10 So. SF) - 9.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 51.5% FG, 51.9% 3pt, 81.2% FT

Roberson is the defending conference MVP, Ballard has been the league tournament MVP two years running, and Beehler shattered the school's single season assist record.  Snider was limited to ten games after a bout with mono; if healthy this season she gives Franklin a legitimate fourth scoring option.  If juco transfer Rachelle Durcholz is as good as advertised as a second point guard option, Franklin will have impressive size and athleticism on the perimeter to go along with a trio of highly effective big people inside.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on January 17, 2006, 01:55:31 PM
how about the Mounties and them roaring over defience
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on January 17, 2006, 05:13:28 PM
hey, where is everyone at?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: GRIZZFAN on January 17, 2006, 08:17:05 PM
I too am wondering why Franklin is being overlooked in the voting. In 2004 they beat a good Milliken team by 23 pts., last year they knock off Wilmington. They also beat Kenyon and lost to Albion by 6 pts., then they take Hope college to the wire this year losing by 2 pts. In the 2003-2004 season they were rated 2nd in the region. They haven't even been acknowledged in the region rankings last year or this year when the team is virtually the same as the 2003-04 team. They have definitely shown they can play with the "big boys" but are getting no recognition. Your thoughts?

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ballnut on January 21, 2006, 08:41:25 PM
Serious deficiency at point guard. Lacks speed and all the other attributes it takes to be a true point. Very immobile center, cant defend, or doesnt want to.
Opponents scoring comes from inside, in the paint. This team seems to play to the level of its competition, rather than coming out of the gate and burying them at the outset. Lacks a killer instinct. Most games this year they havnt been ready to play at he outset, and have had to come from behind. Maybe two years of being unanamous pick to win conference has spoiled them. They have been pushed by a lot of lesser teams all year long. I see a lot of the players making a lot of fundamental mistakes. #3 and #44 can carry them to
conference win. They should have gone unbeaten, but the Mount caught them napping.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 03:32:53 AM
No wins against strong programs all season makes it hard to vote for Franklin.
Title: Re: huh?
Post by: ballnut on January 26, 2006, 10:35:47 PM
After getting fouled across the arms going up for a lay-in on a drive to the basket and getting knocked to the floor, the player asked why that wasnt a foul. She was told by the down official, you have to "draw contact." Can some one help me understand this. I really hate getting on the officials.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: bodhi5 on February 01, 2006, 12:00:27 PM
What a turn around Manchester College has done.  Coach Venet started the transformation last season, and now with Coach Dzurick running the show the squad has turned into a winner (13-6, 5-3 currently).  The current squad has no seniors on its roster, so look out for the Spartans in '06-07.  You heard it here first, Manchester will win the HCAC next season. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on February 02, 2006, 03:22:37 PM
ballnut, that is typical HCAC officiating!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: GRIZZFAN on February 05, 2006, 10:22:36 PM
The only thing I can agree w/ballnut on is yes, they are a slow starting team.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACfan on February 06, 2006, 03:40:03 AM
Test
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: bodhi5 on February 17, 2006, 11:15:07 AM
Manchester will win the HCAC tourney and advance to the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 19, 2006, 02:38:15 PM
No Manchester won't win it. Allthough I'd rather them win it than Franklin.  But I'm thinking they won't make it to the championship game. I do agree that they'll be tough in the next few years though.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 19, 2006, 02:51:52 PM
And if Manchester does face Franklin in the championship I doubt they'll win. The only team in the conference that has been able to defeat Franklin is the Mount.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: grizzlygalfan on February 20, 2006, 09:54:31 AM
    C'mon now, lets be serious here.  Manchester stands no chance of coming into the Spurlock Center and beating the Grizzlies.  Franklin has by far the best fans around making it almost impossible for visitors to play a good game.  Given, we are a bunch of *$$holes, and I am pretty sure that is what works for us.  Hey, what can I say, we lost 1 game to Mount this year.  Thats alright.  when The Mount came to Franklin they lost by over 40.  See ya in Franklin, and don't worry.  We'll keep the League and tourney title safe here at Franklin.  DYNASTY BABY!!!!!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 20, 2006, 09:59:30 PM
Franklin fans are okay...but nothing spectacular. I've seen the same (if not better) intense student fans at some of the bottomdwellers in the conference. Beating Franklin will be tough but it is definately no where near impossible.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: grizzlygalfan on February 21, 2006, 08:36:34 PM
  Hey you know what, maybe we are not the greatest fans.  Well maybe we are, Are you serious?  We just beat the beavers by more than 35?  C'mon to Spurlock.  They may have been the the #8 seed but hell what is mount #4?  We still beat them by 40....  See ya Friday, then watch us storm the courth on Saturday.  Watch Ballard, Roberson, and Mehlich take All Tournament honors if not M.V.P.  Like I said, see ya at Spurlock... 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 22, 2006, 04:22:34 PM
The Franklin fans are okay, but it's not like I haven't seen fans just as rowdy. Who cares that you beat Bluffton, that's not a huge accomplishment. And why do you keep talking about Mount, I was just making a point that even a mediocre team can beat Franklin. They probably will win but personally I'll be rooting for an upset.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 25, 2006, 04:38:49 PM
Hahahaha! Way to jinx your team. Franklin was supposed to run away with it and they choked in the championship game at home. That's great. Congrats to Manchester...picked last in the conference and wins the championship. I love it!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: bodhi5 on February 25, 2006, 08:44:28 PM
Quote from: hoops0 on February 25, 2006, 04:38:49 PM
Hahahaha! Way to jinx your team. Franklin was supposed to run away with it and they choked in the championship game at home. That's great. Congrats to Manchester...picked last in the conference and wins the championship. I love it!

Picked last, finished first.  Hell of a coaching job by coach Dzruich, or however you spell it.  Young team stepped up in a big game.  This could be the start of many big wins for the MC women. 

Man, did I call that or what.  I should go to the boat.  And in honor of MC's win, I'll throw it all on BLACK!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: albinomascot19 on February 26, 2006, 06:21:47 AM
So do you all feel that Manchester will be this year's Cinderella Team in the NCAA Tournament.   How far do you think they will advance?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 26, 2006, 04:41:57 PM
I chose not to venture a guess because I didn't think they'd even make it to the championship let alone win (although I'm happy they did). I guess it all depends on what kind of draw they get.

And with Franklin losing Roberson, Ballard, and Merlich is this the sign of them passing over the torch and not being the dominant team in the conference? I know they will reload as always, but with Manchester having everyone back and other teams out there who are getting quality recruits...maybe we won't see the same Franklin we've had in recent years.  ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 02, 2006, 02:55:44 PM
Quote from: albinomascot19 on February 26, 2006, 06:21:47 AM
So do you all feel that Manchester will be this year's Cinderella Team in the NCAA Tournament.   How far do you think they will advance?

Manchester gets stuck playing Wash U. To answer the question, probably no where.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ballnut on March 03, 2006, 07:58:47 AM
Now for the rest of the story: Choke? Hardly. Manchester didnt beat Franklin, the flu got them. They were fortunate to get past Anderson, who played us tougher than Manchester. Roberson was sick with the flu the day we played Anderson.
She was taking two pure aspirin every two hours, and taking tylenol to get the
fever down, and drank 3 gallons of gatorade during the tournament to stay hydrated. She lead all scorers with 21 points. Another  starter was using an inhaler, and Merlich was recovering. Anderson took enough out of the Grizz to
enable manchester to have a chance. Still, they won by only two points.
The Grizz were guilty of taking two teams to lightly, lost by only two at Michigan
to the #4 team in the nation, Hope, and lost to a well-coached,mediocre team
while 3 starters were suffering from the flu. They only lost one game while they were playing their best. They lost two games to over-confidence, and lost  the
last to the flu. Roberson IS the best PLAYER in the conference. Check the stats.
Jumps center,and wins,usually takes a girl 6'2" to outjump her. Plays point, and is one of the better point guards in the conference. The consumate team player.
When we were routing Bluffton, she told coach to put the bench players in instead of trying to go for tournament mvp. We are going to miss "robo" a truly
talented and gifted basketball player in all phases of the game. Her only weakness? To unselfish. If she were more into her stats instead of team play
she would put up some awesome numbers. Enough said. Good-bye.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on March 03, 2006, 03:03:43 PM
Ballnut, I'm not exactly sure why you are defending Roberson. I'm pretty sure no one said anything bad about her on the contrary it's a known fact she is a flat out stellar player and a classy one at that. I think most people thought it would be impossible for any team to defeat Franklin in the championship game with Roberson and the crew and sick or no sick it's still an incredible win by Manchester. And it isn't nessesary to make an excuse for every one of their losses this season. Even the worst of teams can go thru and give good excuses why they lost a game they should have won but it doesn't really matter.

One thing that did bother me that you said was about Roberson requesting to the coach to let the bench players play in the Bluffton tourney blow out game. It's sad that the Franklin coach would have to be told that by a player and not just do it herself. Since when isn't it good enough just to win- as opposed to thinking about awards. I really hope this wasn't the case because that shows a real lack of class.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ballnut on March 04, 2006, 10:14:04 AM
Re: "junior varsity" post of 2-25-06. That reply is really directed at your post of that date. Your insightful narrow minded observation that the Grizz "choked"
without any thought of any other circumstances that might have occurred to account for the grizz sub-par performance. The tone of the post obviously  brings into question your lineage and the manner of your up-bringing. You arent
college educated are you? Have a nice day.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on March 04, 2006, 07:03:34 PM
Regardless of the EXCUSES...they did choke. They were a stacked team talent wise and didn't come up with the win for the championship. Ouch. ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 17, 2006, 05:33:35 PM
Rose-Hulman improved to 10-1 overall this afternoon, after knocking off Marian 84-70.

Rebekah Forsyth scored a school record 38 points for RHIT.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 07:11:47 PM
who does the Mt. St. joe play tonight?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 01:50:38 PM
wowj! is this the place to be or what?  ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: brutus on January 17, 2007, 02:17:25 PM
Yeah...this conference board not exactly jumping.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on January 29, 2007, 06:18:50 PM
I see things haven't changed much  :(
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: David Collinge on July 20, 2007, 10:49:44 PM
2007-08 schedule update:

HCAC:
Anderson: (I couldn't get to their %#*%body%amp; website) :-[
Bluffton:  men (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/mensbasketball/2008/schedule.html); women (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/womensbasketball/2008/schedule.html)
Defiance:  men (not posted); women (http://www.defiance.edu/athletics/womens_basketball_schedule_0708.html)
Franklin:  men (http://www.franklincollege.edu/athweb/ath_calendar.cfm?sid=2); women (http://www.franklincollege.edu/athweb/ath_calendar.cfm?sid=9)
Hanover:  men (http://sports.hanover.edu/hcmbbresults.htm); women (http://sports.hanover.edu/hcwbbresults.htm)
Manchester (not posted)
Mt. St. Joseph:  men (http://www.msj.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/sched0708/index.asp); women (http://www.msj.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/sched0708/index.asp)
Rose-Hulman:  men  (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/0708mbb.htm)(complete); women  (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/wbasket/0708wbb.htm)(complete)
Transylvania:  men  (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/m_basketball/07schedule.htm-folder-men-sub-m_basketball-topic-m_basketball)(complete); women  (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/w_basketball/07schedule.htm-folder-women-sub-w_basketball-topic-w_basketball)(complete)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Buck23 on September 25, 2007, 07:11:59 PM
GO BEAVERS!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 27, 2007, 04:10:25 AM
Any thoughts on how the conference will go this year?  Will Manchester repeat this year without Wendell?  How about Transy?  Will Franklin re-gain the conference? Defiance?

I have also been hearing about a tremendous freshman class at Hanover.  I would not sleep on Anderson with Hawthrone!  I have been told AU has a good freshman class as well.

It should be interesting to watch. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 31, 2007, 04:26:20 AM
Anyone out there in HCAC land?  This is a good conference.  Wish there was some more chatter.  Hanover shows some good freshman and soph from Connersville who should be a immediate impact player.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: brutus on November 14, 2007, 08:02:33 PM
Interested to see what people see in Hanover...relatively high preseason poll ranking for a bunch of frosh and a questionable returning group.
Could be a wide-open race at the top
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on November 15, 2007, 09:11:37 AM
But everyone knows that experience and upperclassmen get you to the post season
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on November 16, 2007, 12:56:04 PM
That might be right.  But I think especially in the women's game you can turn around a program with young players.  Not saying Hanover will win the conference but they have a lot of young talent.

My pick is Anderson, with Hawthorne and Martin.  They should be tough to beat.  We will see tonight vs. Marian.  However I hear Wuethrich is down.  She will be a tough loss.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on December 08, 2007, 04:45:35 AM
It looks like Coach Prevo is quietly doing a great job at Rose.  He has them at 2-0 in the conference and playing Bluffton on Saturday!

The Manchester/Transy Tilt should be a good one.  I would say that Transy wins this one in a close one.  Manchester is a tough place to play.

We will also see what Franklin is made of by playing a tough opponent in 4-2 North Central from the CCIW.  It is early but we have some good match ups!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 14, 2008, 11:39:29 AM
Wow, not much activity here.  Wednesday should be a big night with Anderson going to Manchester.  I think we know if Manchester is for real if they can pull out of a win.  We will also understand how good Anderson is.  Manchester has to be the toughest place to play in the conference minus any team that has to make the long trip to transy. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 03, 2008, 01:38:48 AM
IT is hard to believe there are no fans of this great conference.  It looks like we have a race for the top spot with Anderson having 3 loses and Manchester losing to Franklin on Saturday which can them 3 loses.  I think whoever gets the top spot will have a good shot of winning the tournament.  Manchester is a tough place to play.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 11, 2008, 05:12:01 PM
The race is heating up and still no one talking on here.  It looks like it will be a interesting race between Manchester, Anderson and Hanover.  I am still picking Anderson to somehow pull this out. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2008, 09:51:49 AM
Here's an analysis of the possible scenarios for the rest of the season (similar to the one I posted on the HCAC men's discussion page a couple of minutes ago):

First, the disclaimer:  This is based on my interpretation and implementation of the HCAC tie-breakers.  Additionally, two new steps have been added to the tie-breaker process, after the "internal" criteria (performance vs HCAC competition):
I made no attempt to incorporate these criteria; my program essentially flips a coin to break ties that cannot be broken by the internal criteria.  I'll have to check how often that happens.  Finally, please remember that the numbers below represent percentages of all possible scenarios; they are NOT probabilities (unless you believe that every remaining game is a 50-50 contest).


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Manchester9-35-14-2@ DC, vs. RHIT, @ AU, vs. HC
Anderson9-46-03-4vs. RHIT, @ FC, vs. MC
Hanover8-46-12-3@ FC, vs. BU, @ TU, @ MC
Transylvania7-56-11-4@ MSJ, @ DC, vs. HC, @ BU
Rose-Hulman7-65-32-3@ AU, @ MC, @ DC
Franklin6-62-34-3vs. HC, vs. AU, @ DC
Mount St. Joseph5-85-20-6vs. TU, @ BU
Defiance3-92-21-7vs. MC, vs. TU, vs. FC, vs. RHIT
Bluffton2-111-51-6@ HC, vs. MSJ, vs. TU


Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
MC47.49%23.58%18.19% 7.42% 2.99% 0.34%  100.0%
HC24.66%28.54%21.12%15.79% 7.33% 2.55%  100.0%
AU24.55%29.41%26.98%11.64% 6.22% 1.21%  100.0%
TU 2.60%12.10%18.88%31.77%21.61%10.17%   97.1%
RHIT 0.70% 5.60%10.11%19.93%34.20%26.03%   96.6%
FC 0.00% 0.77% 4.72%13.39%26.28%50.54%   95.7%
MSJ 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.05% 1.03% 7.18%    8.3%
DC 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.02% 0.34% 1.99%    2.3%
BU 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%    0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 12, 2008, 11:26:24 AM
Thanks for the data.  That is interesting.  From your analysis it looks like the tourney will be at Manchester which is a tough place to play.  I am hoping that this is not the case and the tourney will be held at Anderson.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2008, 09:54:27 AM
A reader of this board emailed to point out that I had missed a game (MSJ/Franklin).  I've re-run the analysis with that game added, and will post the corrected table this afternoon.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2008, 02:01:43 PM
Here are the corrected tables for the end-of-season scenarios.


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Manchester9-35-14-2@ DC, vs. RHIT, @ AU, vs. HC
Anderson9-46-03-4vs. RHIT, @ FC, vs. MC
Hanover8-46-12-3@ FC, vs. BU, @ TU, @ MC
Transylvania7-56-11-4@ MSJ, @ DC, vs. HC, @ BU
Rose-Hulman7-65-32-3@ AU, @ MC, @ DC
Franklin6-62-34-3vs. HC, vs. AU, @ DC, vs. MSJ
Mount St. Joseph5-85-20-6vs. TU, @ BU, @ FC
Defiance3-92-21-7vs. MC, vs. TU, vs. FC, vs. RHIT
Bluffton2-111-51-6@ HC, vs. MSJ, vs. TU



Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
Manchester48.47%22.64%17.89%7.56%3.09%0.35%100.0%
Anderson23.77%29.25%27.65%12.49%6.06%0.79%100.0%
Hanover24.42%27.67%19.59%14.02%8.37%5.58%99.7%
Transylvania2.40%12.41%20.09%33.82%21.04%8.43%98.2%
Rose-Hulman0.69%5.60%11.12%22.10%36.77%19.45%95.7%
Franklin0.26%2.43%3.67%9.26%18.43%47.64%81.7%
Mount St. Joseph0.00%0.00%0.00%0.72%5.73%16.02%22.5%
Defiance0.00%0.00%0.00%0.02%0.52%1.73%2.3%
Bluffton0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2008, 09:35:22 PM
I cannot find the Manchester-Defiance score, but with the other three scores entered, Hanover and Transy have clinched spots in the tournament:

TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Manchester9-35-14-2@ DC, vs. RHIT, @ AU, vs. HC
Anderson10-47-03-4@ FC, vs. MC
Hanover8-56-12-4vs. BU, @ TU, @ MC
Transylvania8-56-12-4@ DC, vs. HC, @ BU
Franklin7-63-34-3vs. AU, @ DC, vs. MSJ
Rose-Hulman7-75-32-4@ MC, @ DC
Mount St. Joseph5-95-30-6@ BU, @ FC
Defiance3-92-21-7vs. MC, vs. TU, vs. FC, vs. RHIT
Bluffton2-111-51-6@ HC, vs. MSJ, vs. TU



Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
Manchester47.89%26.73%17.03%6.86%1.45%0.04%100.0%
Anderson43.59%33.04%19.07%4.20%0.10%0.00%100.0%
Hanover4.88%15.60%23.95%24.68%21.66%9.23%100.0%
Transylvania3.30%20.42%27.93%30.75%14.60%3.00%100.0%
Franklin0.34%4.20%11.72%25.63%28.27%26.32%96.5%
Rose-Hulman0.00%0.00%0.31%7.87%33.04%52.40%93.6%
Mount St. Joseph0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.68%6.52%7.2%
Defiance0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.20%2.48%2.7%
Bluffton0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 14, 2008, 09:39:59 PM
Good stuff
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2008, 07:27:34 AM
With Defiance's loss to Manchester, their slim chances of making the tournament disappeared.  Additionally, the Spartan's extra win means they take the #1 spot in over half of the possible scenarios ... but obviously the MC/AU game will have an impact on that: If the Raven's win that game, they would have a substantial edge over MC, but if AU loses, they are out of the running. Here is the updated table of scenarios:

Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
MC53.08%28.96%13.38%4.20%0.39%0.00%100.0%
AU39.01%32.57%24.32%3.71%0.39%0.00%100.0%
HC5.96%18.26%29.30%19.97%18.38%8.13%100.0%
TU1.95%17.29%27.73%39.67%11.28%2.08%100.0%
FC0.00%2.93%4.98%20.41%30.18%37.89%96.4%
RHIT0.00%0.00%0.29%12.04%37.92%46.14%96.4%
MSJ0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%1.46%5.76%7.2%
DC0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
BU0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2008, 05:13:07 PM
The top 4 teams all won, although the Beavers took Hanover to OT before falling.  The regular season championship is now a race between AU and MC;

With the losses by Franklin and RHIT, MSJ's position improved slightly, while Rose is no longer in the running for a top-4 seed:


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Manchester11-36-15-2@ AU, vs. HC
Anderson11-47-04-4vs. MC
Hanover9-57-12-4@ TU, @ MC
Transylvania9-56-13-4vs. HC, @ BU
Franklin7-73-44-3@ DC, vs. MSJ
Rose-Hulman7-85-32-5@ DC
Mount St. Joseph5-95-30-6@ BU, @ FC
Defiance3-112-41-7vs. FC, vs. RHIT
Bluffton2-121-51-7vs. MSJ, vs. TU



Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
MC51.56%29.69%18.75%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
AU48.44%26.56%25.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
HC0.00%25.00%37.50%31.25%6.25%0.00%100.0%
TU0.00%18.75%18.75%62.50%0.00%0.00%100.0%
FC0.00%0.00%0.00%6.25%43.75%42.19%92.2%
RHIT0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%44.53%50.00%94.5%
MSJ0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%5.47%7.81%13.3%
DC0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
BU0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 16, 2008, 08:59:36 PM
What happens if AU wins?  Will they host for sure or what does the tie breakers say? 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2008, 08:19:57 AM
HCACBBALL-
My program tells me that if AU wins, they take the #1 seed in 96.88% of the remaining scenarios.

Briefly, if AU wins, and then MC beats HC, so they both end at 12-4, and the tie-breaker situation looks like this:

AU and MC will both have split the series with each other, and with HC and TU.  Against the next three teams:
So, AU takes the tie-breaker if Franklin ends up higher than MSJ.   I don't have the time to sort through how that could happen, but it is very likely.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 20, 2008, 09:44:14 PM
AU won big over Manchester, 71-44.  That, combined with Bluffton beating MSJ 56-48, means that Anderson locks in the #1 seed:  Even if MC finishes 12-4, the tie-breaker goes to AU by virtue of their sweep of Franklin.  The six teams in the tournament are now set, with the #2-#6 seeds to be decided by Saturday's games.


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Anderson12-48-04-4
Manchester11-46-15-3vs. HC
Transylvania10-57-13-4@ BU
Hanover9-67-12-5@ MC
Franklin7-83-44-4vs. MSJ
Rose-Hulman7-85-32-5@ DC
Mount St. Joseph5-105-30-7@ FC
Defiance4-113-41-7vs. RHIT
Bluffton3-122-51-7vs. TU


Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
AU100.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
MC0.00%75.00%25.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
TU0.00%25.00%50.00%25.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
HC0.00%0.00%25.00%75.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
FC0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%25.00%75.00%100.0%
RHIT0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%75.00%25.00%100.0%
[[/table]
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 21, 2008, 04:33:56 PM
Congrats to AU on a Championship Season. As a Freshman Lauren Vail was on a team that won 5 games and she is now on a Conference Championship Team as a Senior!!!  Job Well Done Ravens!!!!!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on March 01, 2008, 10:41:23 AM
Anderson/Transy Final today.  Anderson is going to be tough to be to beat.  They are playing well right now.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: brutus on March 07, 2008, 02:33:03 PM
Can anyone explain how Lacey Hornaday, a freshman, made the All-Conference team, but not the All-Freshman team?

And, how did Defiance get 2 players on the team after finishing 8th in the league?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hcjonesy on March 09, 2008, 06:52:30 PM
The HCAC office considers the HCAC first team as a higher honor than all freshman team.  Therfore, if any player that was a freshman had been voted to the all hcac team, they would not also be recognized for all freshman team.  This rule allows more players to be selected and get awards. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 31, 2008, 11:29:37 AM
Coaches pick Anderson #1.  That is where I would put them as well.  Looking for a big senior year from Hawthorne and Martin.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2009, 07:51:59 AM
In case there are any HCAC women's fans lurking out there ... here are the current standings and remaining games:

TeamOverall   Home   Away   Remaining Games
Anderson10-26-04-2@ DC, vs. BU, @ MC, vs. TU
Transylvania9-26-03-2@ RHIT, vs. FC, vs. BU, @ MSJ, @ AU
Franklin8-44-14-3@ TU, vs. MSJ, vs. HC, vs. DC
Hanover7-53-34-2@ BU, vs. RHIT, vs. MC, @ FC
Manchester7-54-23-3vs. MSJ, @ HC, vs. AU, @ RHIT
Bluffton4-71-43-3vs. HC, @ AU, @ TU, vs. DC, vs. MSJ
Defiance3-80-53-3vs. AU, vs. MSJ, vs. RHIT, @ BU, @ FC
Rose-Hulman3-92-41-5vs. TU, @ HC, @ DC, vs. MC
Mount St. Joseph   1-101-60-4@ MC, @ DC, @ FC, vs. TU, @ BU


... and the tournament outlook based on all possible outcomes of the remaining 20 games:

Team    #1#2#3#4#5#6  In tournament
AU    51.54% 36.67%9.41%2.36%0.02%0.00%100.0%
TU    44.70%36.92% 14.85%3.34%0.20%0.00%100.0%
FC    3.64%21.08%41.57% 23.45%10.11%0.15%100.0%
MC    0.11%3.96%17.34%33.22% 42.24%2.95%99.8%
HC    0.02%1.37%16.79%36.67%38.84%5.80%99.5%
BU    0.00%0.00%0.04%0.84%6.19% 61.23%68.3%
DC    0.00%0.00%0.00%0.12%1.81%22.65%24.6%
RHIT    0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.59%5.58%6.2%
MSJ    0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%1.64%1.6%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2009, 09:36:51 PM
Revised with today's results:

TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Anderson11-26-05-2vs. BU, @ MC, vs. TU
Transylvania10-26-04-2vs. FC, vs. BU, @ MSJ, @ AU
Franklin8-44-14-3@ TU, vs. MSJ, vs. HC, vs. DC
Manchester8-55-23-3@ HC, vs. AU, @ RHIT
Hanover7-63-34-3vs. RHIT, vs. MC, @ FC
Bluffton5-72-43-3@ AU, @ TU, vs. DC, vs. MSJ
Defiance3-90-63-3vs. MSJ, vs. RHIT, @ BU, @ FC
Rose-Hulman3-102-51-5@ HC, @ DC, vs. MC
Mount St. Joseph1-111-60-5@ DC, @ FC, vs. TU, @ BU



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  In tournament
AU    52.18%  40.58%  6.26%  0.98%  0.00%  0.00%  100.000%
TU    46.45%  40.70%  10.98%  1.87%  0.00%  0.00%  100.000%
FC    1.37%  15.22%  46.95%  27.76%  8.41%  0.29%  100.000%
MC    0.00%  3.50%  26.06%  40.35%  29.32%  0.77%  100.000%
HC    0.00%  0.00%  9.72%  28.35%  49.84%  12.03%  99.945%
BU    0.00%  0.00%  0.02%  0.70%  12.36%  75.85%  88.927%
DC    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.07%  10.18%  10.249%
RHIT    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.59%  0.586%
MSJ    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.29%  0.293%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 10, 2009, 08:32:18 AM
Thanks Darryl.  I don't check the Women's board very often and I was curious to see if you were running HCAC numbers for the women as well.  Go Beavers!  It would be great to see both the men's and women's teams for the Beavers make their HCAC tournaments.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
In case anyone out there is breathlessly awaiting* the updated standings and tournament scenarios, I am still waiting to see the Bluffton/Anderson score -- it's not yet posted anywhere (AU, d3hoops, or BU -- the latter is currently offline, due to the electrical outage we experienced about 15 minutes ago).

*Hey, anything's possible.


UPDATE: AU's Web site just changed to say that the game was postponed until tomorrow. Can anyone at AU shed some light on what happened?

With that game still pending, here are how things look after tonight's games (HC over RHIT, DC over MSJ, and TU over FC).


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Transylvania11-27-04-2vs. BU, @ MSJ, @ AU
Anderson11-26-05-2vs. BU, @ MC, vs. TU
Manchester8-55-23-3@ HC, vs. AU, @ RHIT
Franklin8-54-14-4vs. MSJ, vs. HC, vs. DC
Hanover8-64-34-3vs. MC, @ FC
Bluffton5-72-43-3@ AU, @ TU, vs. DC, vs. MSJ
Defiance4-91-63-3vs. RHIT, @ BU, @ FC
Rose-Hulman3-112-51-6@ DC, vs. MC
Mount St. Joseph1-121-60-6@ FC, vs. TU, @ BU



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  In tournament
TU
58.20%  41.77%  0.02%  ------IN!
AU
41.80%  53.91%  3.91%  0.39%  ----IN!
MC
--3.15%  35.35%  29.83%  30.91%  0.76%  IN!
FC
--1.17%  38.09%  37.62%  22.41%  0.71%  IN!
HC
----22.63%  31.42%  40.53%  5.42%  IN!
BU
------0.73%  6.15%  78.69%  85.571%
DC
----------14.43%  14.429%
RHIT
--------------
MSJ
--------------


Rose and MSJ are eliminated from the tournament.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 12, 2009, 09:27:48 AM
With Anderson up 21-9 with 3 mins in the first half, hopefully the Beavers can use the time to regroup and go back to Anderson and bring home a win.  Go Beavers!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2009, 04:45:59 PM
As WashU33Fan alluded to, the game was postponed because the power went out at AU with 3 minutes left in the first half.  When I wrote this last night:
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
Can anyone at AU shed some light on what happened?
I did not realize the irony of that question.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2009, 09:51:45 PM
Anderson beat Bluffton 51-39, so AU and TU will be (in some order) #1 and #2, followed (in some order) by FC, MC, and HC, and then either BU or DC.


Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Tournament?
AU
51.95%48.05%--------Yes
TU
48.05%51.95%--------Yes
FC
----40.80%38.31%20.90%--Yes
MC
----37.33%30.44%32.23%--Yes
HC
----21.88%31.25%46.88%--Yes
BU
----------74.76%74.76%
DC
----------25.24%25.24%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Here are how things stand with today's results:

TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Transylvania12-28-04-2@ MSJ, @ AU
Anderson12-27-05-2@ MC, vs. TU
Franklin9-55-14-4vs. HC, vs. DC
Hanover9-65-34-3@ FC
Manchester8-65-23-4vs. AU, @ RHIT
Bluffton5-92-43-5vs. DC, vs. MSJ
Defiance5-92-63-3@ BU, @ FC
Rose-Hulman3-122-51-7vs. MC
Mount St. Joseph1-131-60-7vs. TU, @ BU



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Tournament?
Transylvania
56.25%43.75%--------Yes
Anderson
43.75%56.25%--------Yes
Franklin
----53.12%32.81%14.06%--Yes
Hanover
----40.62%46.88%12.50%--Yes
Manchester
----6.25%20.31%73.44%--Yes
Bluffton
----------50.00%50.00%
Defiance
----------50.00%50.00%


The BU/DC winner on Wednesday will get the #6 seed.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2009, 10:10:55 PM
Tonight's results:
Anderson 55, Manchester 61
Defiance 69, Bluffton 78
Hanover 88, Franklin 86 (OT)
Transylvania 77, Mt. St. Joseph 76

Saturday's AU/TU game will determine who hosts the tournament.  (If AU wins, they would be tied, but AU hosts because they swept Hanover, while TU split with the Panthers.)

The tie-breaker for Manchester/Franklin is more complicated; I'll spare you the details of how that plays out.


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Transylvania13-28-05-2@ AU
Anderson12-37-05-3vs. TU
Hanover10-65-35-3
Manchester9-66-23-4@ RHIT
Franklin9-65-24-4vs. DC
Bluffton6-93-43-5vs. MSJ
Defiance5-102-63-4@ FC
Rose-Hulman3-122-51-7vs. MC
Mount St. Joseph1-141-70-7@ BU



Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Tournament?
Transylvania
50.00%50.00%--------Yes
Anderson
50.00%50.00%--------Yes
Hanover
----100.00%------Yes
Franklin
------50.00%50.00%--Yes
Manchester
------50.00%50.00%--Yes
Bluffton
----------100.00%Yes
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: mcbballfan on September 27, 2009, 05:42:28 PM
Who are the '09-'10 HCAC favorites?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Heartfan on October 12, 2009, 03:32:52 PM
mcbballfan -

Transy is a powerhouse, Hanover, Franklin and Bluffton look really strong returning several veteran players.

MSJ, Defiance and Rose should return most of their squads and should be improved.  Anderson and Manchester lost the bulk of their starters.

Bluffton is my sleeper pick to win the conference tourney.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 12, 2009, 08:29:38 PM
You are right, AU lost a lot of talent.  They graduated their 4 year starting point guard, 3 guard and 4.  Those 3 helped AU to their first 4 consecutive winning seasons in school history.  I am sure Coach Taylor has recruited well and I believe she is one of the most under-rated coaches with x and o's and funds in the conference.

I am looking for Hanover to step up and take the conference this year but Transy will be hard to beat.  I think for Bluffton they have to show they can beat the good conf teams on the road.  They have a unique home court advantage.  Growing up as a team and winning on the road is the next task.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: mcbballfan on October 14, 2009, 06:40:22 PM
MC did lose a lot and will likely have several new faces on the floor this year.  Did any of the HCAC teams bring in highly recruited freshmen that didn't want to go to a "big" school?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 15, 2009, 10:02:30 AM
http://www.heartlandconf.org/press_releases/2009-10/10_15_earlham

Welcome to the HCAC Earlham!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: overlooked on May 12, 2010, 11:48:19 AM
mcbballfan:  I realize your post was for last season, but I will reply for this upcoming season (2010-11).  Franklin College is getting last season's (Indiana) #1 ranked and  3A State Runner-Up Rushville's 5'10" PG Krista Beaman.    Highly Recruited?  Somewhat.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: mcbballfan on October 20, 2010, 08:43:11 PM
overlooked:  Beaman is a nice addition to an already strong team.  Manchester has 5 freshmen, but time will tell if they make an impact this season.  The Spartans lose one senior from last year's team which was filled with injuries, so there is a lot of experience coming back.  Manchester starts the season with a tough week:  at Calvin then at Hope.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: mcbballfan on October 26, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
Below is the link to the HCAC preseason poll.  Franklin is favored to repeat with Hanover a close second.

http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/wbkb/2010-11/releases/10_26_wbb_preseason
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: overlooked on November 02, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
Franklin headed north to scrimmage NAIA Honorable Mention (#34) ranked Taylor.   The first half looked like the first half of the first scrimmage game.   Not real sharp or crisp.  Franklin loses the first half.   Regrouped and played much better the second half.  Winning the second half. 

Let's hear about some other teams.  HCAC only has 6 pages of topics in how many years?   What's that phrase they use on the NFL preview show.  "C'mon Man"!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: zander on December 23, 2010, 09:15:41 PM
any reason why hanover is not getting any votes for top 25?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: mcbballfan on December 26, 2010, 10:40:57 PM
Hanover may get some votes now that they are 8-0.  Strength of schedule may be part of it as well as they seem to have less games in than many schools at this point.  Hanover's opponents have a record of 29-45 with OH Northern at 9-1 being a good quality win.  Manchester was beaten by undefeated Bridgewater last weekend in Florida, and Bridgewater got a vote in the polls for the first time this week.       
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2011, 04:06:35 PM
Preseason poll has been released http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/wbkb/2011-12/releases/10_25_preseason_poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/wbkb/2011-12/releases/10_25_preseason_poll)

Franklin (6)     96

Hanover (3)      82
Transylvania (1) 82
Manchester       77
Defiance         50
Rose-Hulman      47
Bluffton         45
Mt St Joseph     33
Anderson         25
Earlham          13
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 08, 2011, 08:43:59 AM
Franklin is up to #19 in the rankings and beat previously unbeaten Hanover last night. Rest of the conference seems to be struggling as only Manchester at 4-3 has more than 2 wins so far.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 01, 2012, 09:39:32 AM
Here's the standings at the end of 2011...

Franklin       4-0    11-0   
Hanover        3-1     7-3   
Manchester     3-1     7-4   
Anderson       2-2     5-6   
Defiance       2-2     4-7   
Transylvania   2-2     4-7   
Mt St Joseph   2-2     2-9 
Earlham        1-3     3-8 
Rose-Hulman    1-3     3-8 
Bluffton       0-4     2-9   


Franklin was ranked 15th in the latest poll (Dec 18th) while Hanover was tied for 36th with 2 votes.
Grizzlies have 5 of their next 6 at home and 7 of 9. Will anyone be able to stop their bid for an unbeaten season?
Unlike the men, all the women's teams have at least 2 wins so far but only 3 teams have winning records.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 14, 2012, 06:30:32 PM
The Lady Grizzlies have fallen for the first time this season losing at home 39-36 to Manchester... looks more like a score from football season.
The teams combined for 18 of 87 shooting, 1 of 13 behind the arc, and 40 turnovers. 38 of the 75 points (just over 50%) came from the free throw line.

This means there's a 3 way tie atop the HCAC standings with Franklin, Manchester, and Hanover all 7-1 in conference.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 23, 2012, 04:53:19 AM
Final standings for 2011-12...

Franklin        16-2    23-2
Hanover         16-2    20-4
Manchester      13-5    17-8
Transylvania    11-7    13-12
Defiance         9-9    11-14
Bluffton         6-12    8-17
Rose-Hulman      6-12    8-17
Mount St. Joseph 6-12    6-19
Anderson         5-13    8-17
Earlham          2-16    4-21


Pretty close to the preseason poll.

Here's the conference tourney schedule, all games at Franklin

Friday, Feb. 24
Game 1: #5 Defiance vs. #4 Transylvania 6:00 PM
Game 2:  #6 Rose-Hulman vs. #3 Manchester 8:00 PM
Saturday, Feb. 25
Game 3: #4/5 winner at #1 Franklin 3:00 PM
Game 4: #3/6 winner vs. #2 Hanover 5:00 PM
Sunday, Feb. 26
Game 5: Game 3 winner vs. Game 4 winner
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 23, 2012, 06:06:16 AM
Using percentages from Massey and considering Franklin is at home, the chances of each team winning in each round are:

First Round
4 Transy     56.4%
5 Defiance   43.6%
3 Manchester 90.8%
6 Rose        9.2%


Semi-Finals
1 Franklin   96.4%
4 Transy      2.4%
5 Defiance    1.3%
2 Hanover    84.6%
3 Manchester 15.3%
6 Rose        0.2%


Finals
1 Franklin   57.7%
2 Hanover    39.8%
3 Manchester  2.3%
4 Transy      0.2%
5 Defiance    0.1%
6 Rose        0.0%


There is an 81.5% chance that the championship game will be Franklin vs Hanover

Interestingly, if the tourney was at a neutral site the odds for winning the tourney favor the Panthers...
1 Franklin   41.0% (-16.7%)
2 Hanover    54.2% (+14.4%)
3 Manchester  4.2%  (+1.9%)
4 Transy      0.4%  (+0.2%)
5 Defiance    0.2%  (+0.1%)
6 Rose        0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2012, 02:44:27 PM
Franklin will play WIAC champs UW-Stevens Point in the first round. Their pod will be hosted by Calvin.

Good luck Grizzlies. :)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 02, 2012, 10:00:01 PM
Franklin falls to UW-Stevens Point 61-58 in the first round. Tied at halftime, Grizzlies were as close as 2 with a couple minutes to go but could get no closer. Franklin finishes the season at 25-3
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 25, 2012, 10:18:58 AM
The coaches poll is out and there's not a lot of agreement.

1. Hanover (4)          91
2. Franklin (5)           89
3. Transylvania         77
4. Manchester (1)      74
5. Defiance               58
6. Rose-Hulman        44
7. Bluffton                36
8. Mount St. Joseph   31
9. Anderson              29
10. Earlham              21
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Gray Fox on November 14, 2012, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 25, 2012, 10:18:58 AM
The coaches poll is out and there's not a lot of agreement.

1. Hanover (4)          91
2. Franklin (5)           89
3. Transylvania         77
4. Manchester (1)      74
5. Defiance               58
6. Rose-Hulman        44
7. Bluffton                36
8. Mount St. Joseph   31
9. Anderson              29
10. Earlham              21
Great competition.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 21, 2012, 08:24:18 AM
Just four games into conference play and only 3 teams have lost fewer than 2 games. Looks like Transylvania may be the team to beat so far.
Seems like a lot of the teams are hitting the road over the break... Hanover already went out to California and lost to Redlands, Anderson has a couple games in Atlanta, Transy and Hanover head down to Birmingham for a pair of games, and Manchester heads out west for a couple games in California.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 11, 2013, 07:16:29 AM
Still a good battle for the top seed with 11 games left. Transy at 6-1 has a slim lead over Franklin, Defiance, and Manchester at 5-2 with Hanover at 4-3. Everyone has won a conference game and everyone but Earlham have won at least two.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2013, 06:01:31 PM
HCAC Tournment picture is clearing up. We know Anderson, Earlham, and Mount St. Joseph will end their season but still a little left to be decided Saturday.

2/19
#5 Manchester/Rose-Hulman/Bluffton @ #4 Defiance/Hanover
#6 Rose-Hulman/Manchester/Bluffton @ #3 Hanover/Defiance

2/22
#4/#5 @ #1 Transylvania
#3/#6 vs #2 Franklin

2/23
Championship Game @ Transy
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2013, 04:25:28 PM
The field is now set. I will whip up some probabilities once Massey has today's games entered.

All games at Transy
2/22
#5 Manchester vs #4 Defiance
#6 Rose-Hulman vs #3 Hanover

2/23
#4/#5 @ #1 Transylvania
#3/#6 vs #2 Franklin

2/24
Championship Game @ Transy
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 17, 2013, 03:54:20 PM
Did the calculations using Massey's percentages against each other and here's the approx chances of the teams winning in each round of the conference tourney

                     QF       SF      Final
1 Transylvania     100%    87.05%    61.94%
4 Defiance          59%     8.85%     2.77%
5 Manchester        41%     4.10%     0.96%
3 Hanover           76%    31.92%     9.70%
6 Rose-Hulman       24%     3.84%     0.46%
2 Franklin         100%    64.24%    24.18%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: dc_has_been on February 21, 2013, 07:57:32 AM
Didn't want you to be completely alone FCGrizz ;)

Surprised that neither Franklin or Transy get any top 25 votes.  Based about their nonconf games I understand why they are not in the top 25, but not even a vote?  Franklin was 6-1 in nonconf action and is 8 in their region.  Hopefully, who ever gets the AQ will make some noise in the tourney to get the HCAC more respect. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2013, 02:52:17 PM
Hanover is up at Hope taking on Ohio Northern who has a 25 game win streak. Going to be a tough task but good luck ladies.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 02, 2013, 08:11:29 AM
The HCAC season has officially come to an end with Hanover's 86-68 loss to Ohio Northern. They were down just 2 early in the 2nd half, but it was all ONU from there.
Title: HCAC 2013
Post by: RHIThoops40 on October 22, 2013, 01:28:20 AM
Figured I'd bring something new to the board an RHIT backer. Here goes nothing:

Potentially, if everything falls right, this could be one of R-H's best years. Literally everyone returns and Coach Prevo added 3 to 4 freshmen who can impact and raise the teams athleticism and physicality.

If these questions are answered positively, I feel top 3 is possible:

1. Can Lauren Meadows play the entire season?

2. Will a years maturity and some new talent, reduce the 21 turnovers per game?

3. Will The soccor playing backcourt sophs transition to basketball?

4. Will Addie Johnson be ready to play after fall term internship?

5. Will freshman big, Jamie Loving be in full shape from July knee surgery?( can be a big impact player, along with long range shooter Ava Pera..can't spell it, and Kristin Beleaya, and a couple other frosh)

Should be a fun year for the Engineers.

Kelsey Ploof is not a question. Her effectiveness should increase with help inside.
Title: Re: HCAC 2013
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 02, 2013, 04:47:36 AM
Quote from: RHIThoops40 on October 22, 2013, 01:28:20 AM
Figured I'd bring something new to the board an RHIT backer.
Anyone being around is something new to this board :D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 23, 2013, 07:52:09 AM
A bit slow on posting this, but here's the coaches poll

1. Transylvania (7)     94
2. Franklin (2)             89
3. Hanover (1)            79
4. Defiance                 65
5. Manchester             60
6. Bluffton                   50
7. Rose-Hulman          46
8. Earlham                   28
9. Anderson                 25
10. Mount St. Joseph   14
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on November 25, 2013, 02:54:06 PM
Next Wednesday should be a interesting start to Conf play with Hanover at Franklin and Manchester at Definace. I am interested to see how this year plays out. I think it is always a challenge to top Transy. Coach Todd is a great coach.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2014, 04:51:13 PM
Tonight's Hoopsville (Thursday, January 23) is set to air starting at 7 PM EST. Tune in to hear from Transylvania coach Greg Todd and the following guests:

- Johns Hopkins WBB coach Nancy Funk
- William Smith WBB coach Lindsay Drury Sharman
- School of the Week: Schreiner and MBB coach Jimmy Smith
- Mount Union MBB coach Michael Fuline
- #25 Dubuque MBB coach Robbie Sieverding

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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 24, 2014, 08:09:21 AM
Using Massey's predictions... here's the odds for winning at each round of the HCAC tourney...

                   QF         SF         Final
1 Transylvania    100%      92.26%      80.21%
                 
4 Bluffton         42%       2.52%       0.83%
5 Manchester       58%       5.22%       2.06%
                 

3 Franklin         82%      41.82%       7.50%
6 Rose-Hulman      18%       3.60%       0.18%
                 
2 Hanover         100%      54.58%       9.22%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 05, 2014, 07:56:52 AM
Transylvania will face Ohio Northern at DePauw at 5pm Friday. The conference has lost in the first round each of the last four years (twice Franklin, twice Hanover) including Ohio Northern beating Hanover last year. The last win was Transy in 2009.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 30, 2014, 03:06:59 AM
Coaches Poll is out. Once again Transy is picked to finish 1st.

1) Transylvania (7)     97
2) Hanover (2)            88
3) Franklin (1)            75
4) Bluffton                  68
5) Manchester            64
6) Defiance                45
7) Rose-Hulman        40
8) Earlham                 36
9) Mount St. Joseph  19
10) Anderson            18
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 02, 2014, 01:15:21 AM
The Hiram-Mount St Joseph game tomorrow will be televised (http://www.1more4lauren.com/watch/) live at 2pm ET/11am PT. #1More4Lauren
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2014, 08:29:53 PM
What an amazing young woman.    I only wish there were more people who followed women's basketball to hear of her incredible struggle and the positive outlook she has maintained in the face of such challenges.


Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 02, 2014, 09:04:47 PM
Ron -

ESPN was at her house all week.  Tom Rinaldi's story about her is supposed to air tonight at 11.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
Lauren Hill is still fighting. She made the trip to Baldwin-Wallace for the BW Invitational. She got in the game briefly with under 8 minutes left in the second half against Bethany and made another basket. MSJ was down 53-33 with 12 minutes left in the game but outscored Bethany 31-16 the rest of the way including Lauren's basket. Unfortunately they came up short losing by 5.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2014, 04:23:52 PM
Hospice care has started for Lauren Hill... but apparently she still boarded the bus today for their game at Transylvania... incredible.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 18, 2014, 11:53:50 AM
Lauren Hill's career has finished. She will now be an honorary coach for MSJ. http://apne.ws/1zxb7ms (http://apne.ws/1zxb7ms)
She played 4 games and scored 10 points on 5 of 8 shooting plus 1 rebound.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 10, 2015, 06:17:34 AM
Lauren Hill received an honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters from MSJ on Friday.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 24, 2015, 09:27:19 AM
Interesting that the seeding for the tournament this year is exactly the same as last year. :o

Using Massey's predictions... here's the odds for winning at each round of the HCAC tourney...

                   QF         SF         Final
1 Transylvania    100%      85.44%      69.14%
                 
4 Bluffton         57%       9.41%       4.35%
5 Manchester       43%       5.16%       2.06%
                 

3 Franklin         52%      16.64%       2.62%
6 Rose-Hulman      48%      14.88%       2.18%
                 
2 Hanover         100%      68.48%      19.65%

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2015, 06:57:18 AM
The Transylvania women finally ended the conference's one and done streak at 4 years last year. Hopefully it was the start of a new trend of success.
Good luck to Hanover playing at DePauw and Transy who will play Wittenburg at WashU.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: bulk19 on April 11, 2015, 10:49:23 AM
Condolences to the family, friends, and teammates of Lauren Hill... What an amazing and inspirational woman... God bless...
Mandatory reading this week is to click on Pat C's story on the front of the D3 hoops website, and to read the three stories that are linked within his wonderful tribute to someone who we should all aspire to be like...
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2015, 01:25:09 PM
Link to the Lauren Hill story

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/04/lauren-hill-an-appreciation
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: bulk19 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:58 PM
Lauren Hill is honored with an ESPY tonight for "best moment."
Her wonderful legacy lives on...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/lauren-hill-honroed-espys-best-moment-article-1.2293824
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2015, 01:55:31 AM
Coaches Poll is out. Transy trying to win their 4th straight title.

1) Transylvania (6)      96
2) Bluffton (2)              88
3) Hanover (1)             70
4) Rose-Hulman (1)     68
5) Franklin                   67
T6) Defiance                49
T6) Manchester           49
8) Earlham                  33
9) Mount St. Joseph    16
10) Anderson              14
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2016, 06:18:16 PM
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Guests include (in order):
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- Chad Shutler, No. 21 Bluffton women's coach
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2016, 02:39:05 PM
Alright, folks -- the NCAA's first women's basketball regional rankings are posted. Check out the full list from D3hoops.com:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 31, 2016, 09:52:34 PM
2016-17 Coaches Poll

1) Rose-Hulman (10)  100
2) Bluffton                    85
3) Transylvania            80
4) Franklin                    68
5) Hanover                   55
6) Defiance                   52
7) Mount St. Joseph     39
8) Manchester              31
9) Earlham                   23
10) Anderson               17
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: deiscanton on December 08, 2017, 03:19:53 PM
New schedule for the Fred Raizk Memorial Tournament-- Wilmington, Ohio

All tip times Eastern

Tuesday, December 19, 2017-- Wilmington v Earlham-- 7 PM
Wednesday, December 20, 2017-- Chicago v Earlham-- 6 PM
Thursday, December 21, 2017-- Chicago v Wilmington-- 1 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 02:40:07 PM
Women's first regional rankings of the season are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 03:10:00 PM
New women's regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 05:38:18 PM
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 03:02:31 PM
The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2019, 03:34:55 PM
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 02:55:32 PM
Regional Rankings Week 2 released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:03:55 PM
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 02, 2019, 06:41:55 PM
#18 Transylvania dancing into the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tournament after beating Piedmont 77-67 and Oglethorpe 76-56. Tough matchup next against either #1 Thomas More or #5 Trine.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on April 15, 2019, 11:52:28 AM
Congrats to Transy on a fine year and unquestionably the finest post-season in women's HCAC/CAC/ICAC history.

Transy had a good team this year, but perhaps more than any other team I have ever seen, in any sport, this Transy team both depended and thrived on home games. Every significant win they had came at home. Beating Trine, and, to a lesser extent, Emory, basically made their season - both games at home. They were absolutely throttled by an underappreciated Rose-Hulman on the road, and they lost to the only other above-average team they played, Johns Hopkins, at a neutral site.

Good team, for sure, but when you can play virtually every meaningful game of your season, including two NCAA Tournament games, in the place where you are most comfortable, it is a HUGE advantage, ESPECIALLY for a team like Transy that depends SO much on shooting and making 3-pointers. They seemed SO comfortable at home, in fact, that I wouldn't have been shocked to see them beat Thomas More in a hypothetical game in Transy's gym...
Title: Rose
Post by: Jester1390 on August 14, 2019, 07:26:34 PM
Engineer my daughter is going to play for rose can you tell me about the other teams in the conference far as who has nice gyms and cities to visit 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2019, 08:00:12 PM
Hey there -- welcome to the board. Just merging this in here.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 19, 2019, 06:36:45 PM
Here is film on the recruiting class of Rose

Jordan Barlow  Kansas   www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b167438641e0cdcd7c9a6

www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b167438641e0cdcd7c9a6


Kahlan Jester    3 pointers    www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b167438641e0cdcd7c9a6

      2 pointers  www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b26b6c1250b0e74cedbb5

       Assists and Ball handling  www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b2da8066b380d90bf6933

      Rebounds,Blocks,Steals  www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b32f3ff0ca8053ce653a9

complete game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVgVjNvlQ1c&t=3794s


   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 19, 2019, 06:48:14 PM
More players

Rose Burnham   https://www.hudl.com/profile/6927618/Rose-Burnham

https://www.hudl.com/profile/6927618/Rose-Burnham

https://www.hudl.com/profile/6927618/Rose-Burnham

Nosa Igiehon  https://www.hudl.com/profile/6744749/nosawaru-igiehon    Double-Double

https://www.hudl.com/profile/6744749/nosawaru-igiehon    Double-double

https://www.hudl.com/profile/6744749/nosawaru-igiehon  Double-Double
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on August 27, 2019, 11:13:14 AM
https://www.hudl.com/profile/9527266/McKenna-Kallianis
5'10 Wing
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on August 27, 2019, 11:15:11 AM
Desirae Webster
5'7 PG
https://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/desirae-webster/RD8-LqXMEeaAdqA2nzwY6g/videos.htm?videoid=46753abc-82e2-4f1a-b024-eafb29332587
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on August 27, 2019, 11:19:27 AM
Transfer from Bradley
Shooter
Check out the very last shot on the first film - nothing but net from beyond the volleyball line.
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on August 27, 2019, 12:08:30 PM
 Welcome to the board, Jester, and try not to get your hopes up too much - you're the first new person to the HCAC board since I joined 5 years ago. There's a Franklin grad around here somewhere, but he's long-gone since their women's program's glory days, and even then, there was never anyone for him to converse with.

There might not be a team in COLLEGE BASKETBALL that lost a higher percentage of its minutes, points, and rebounds. It will be interesting to see what happens this year with all the new faces - my son and daughter-in-law get to some games (mostly men's games) and he heard that the incoming freshmen group might be among the best in the country - but will be interesting with Freshmen playing a lot of minutes. What have YOU heard about RHIT's incoming class and projected competitive-ness in the HCAC this year?

Whenever I get lonely, I saunter over to the CCIW board, since RHIT usually plays some of their teams and  there are some good guys over there who are very knowledgeable and genuinely care about the sport - but be forewarned - they have zero respect for the conference, like the majority of D-III. If RHIT happens to play IL. Wesleyan this year and loses, you can expect a full re-cap along with half a dozen commentators - but if RHIT were to happen to win, it will be as if the game never occurred. RHIT blasted IWU by 30 back in 2015, and it is literally the only game in the history of the CCIW board that was not reported nor commented on...as though it never happened.

Also - you will be struck by how long and athletic the better D-III teams are - and you'll wonder how in the world that kind of talent wound up in D-III relying solely on merit and need-based financial aid. PART of the answer is that better-educated families with high-academic daughters will CONSIDER playing down for academics. Another part is that there are a disproportionately high percentage of U. of Wisconsin schools (that are hyper-competitive in D-III sports in general but WBB in particular) and, to a lesser extent, some state schools back East, where it costs a tiny fraction of what you are paying at RHIT, to attend and play. As an example, UW-Whitewater extends in-state tuition to neighboring states, likely to help them out in sports. If you think I'm exaggerating, check out their football roster!

As for schools without elite academics or cut-rate public-school tuition, that still manage to field elite teams in certain sports year-in-and-out (excepting the occasional good recruiting class of local kids), well....

As for your questions...

Best facilities are, in order, and in IMHO:

RHIT
Transy
Bluffton
Hanover
Earlham
Franklin
Anderson
MSJ
Manchester
Defiance

Best city to visit is by FAR Lexington for variety of hotels and food, followed by Franklin (on the south side of Indy) and, believe it or not, Terre Haute - but only because the other options are so bad. We drove over a few years ago to watch my great-niece play and very nearly got lost trying to find a decent restaurant at MSJ. You would think the options when visiting MSJ would be better, being practically in Cincinnati - but it is up on top of a small mountain on the outskirts of town, and is a 20-minute drive over another mountain on a two-lane road through several pastoral neighborhoods, to get to a hotel or restaurants. Additionally, the school itself is oddly a large single building, resembling an older-looking brick hospital from the 1950's. Perhaps the only college in America (certainly of my own experience) that is entirely self-contained within a single large building - dorms, classrooms, cafeteria, and athletic facilities all under one roof.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 28, 2019, 09:18:50 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on August 27, 2019, 12:08:30 PM
Welcome to the board, Jester, and try not to get your hopes up too much - you're the first new person to the HCAC board since I joined 5 years ago. There's a Franklin grad around here somewhere, but he's long-gone since their women's program's glory days, and even then, there was never anyone for him to converse with.
Yeah, it's generally quite quiet around here, there's usually not much of a reason to check in too often. The mens board is pretty similar too. Football board gets a little bit of action at least. The problem is there just aren't very many HCAC folks around here.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 28, 2019, 08:39:33 PM
well now there is 3 lol
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 28, 2019, 08:40:38 PM
we leave tomorrow to bring her to campus. Exciting times
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on September 10, 2019, 05:45:13 PM
Met all the freshman and they are tall and athletic and the guard destiny is really quick
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on September 10, 2019, 05:50:50 PM
messed up her name is Desirae
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 12, 2019, 01:19:55 AM
Engin

My daughter is home for the weekend they start practice next week.  I dont know much about the history of RHIT basketball except they have been really good the past few years but after seeing how my kid and the other students have to adapt to the rigors of this school academically and then also juggle sports if they didnt win a game they would have my respect.  However that is not going to happen I have heard also that they believe the freshman class is extremely strong.  I believe there is 4 returning players.  My daughter is coming from a bad high school program where she was asked to do it all.  I cannot tell you how excited she is to play with talented women and to finally have help with that burden.  My daughter grew up as a point guard and then all of sudden shot to 6 feet.  For the last 3 years she has been told you wont have to play point  you can be a 2 or 3 but it always ended up the team needed her at point.   At Rose that wont be an issue  and I liked it when the coach called her a point forward.  I dont have any experience with the conference i dont know if its like MIAC which is strong or the UMAC which is weaker.  I do know that it sounds like the chemistry is really good allready with all the players  and  I have not seen my daughter this excited to play ball in a long time.

oh also on MSJ . I have a school just like you described,  My daughters high school coach knows the coach at Mayville its a NAIA power team.  it was the first school she visited as a junior.   It was a one block campus and the assistant coach asked her where she was from and she said Minneapolis she said why would you want to come here,   Amazing lol  I had brought one of her friends with  who struggled more academically so she could see a NAIA school.  My son played baseball for Doane and it was a great campus.   Mayville is not.  They both told me they would pay me not to go to school there. They do have a good basketball program though,
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 14, 2019, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on October 12, 2019, 01:19:55 AM
I dont have any experience with the conference i dont know if its like MIAC which is strong or the UMAC which is weaker.
Definitely not MIAC level, a bit better than UMAC. Transy winning 2 playoff games last year I think were the first wins for the conference since 2014.
Most of the schools average a bit over 1000 students. Rose is the largest in the conference with around 2000 I believe.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 14, 2019, 06:15:58 PM
I know Rose almost beat Gustavus. If my daughter stayed home that would be the college she would have attended.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 15, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
ok i have basketball fever it was hell not having my daughter play AAU this summer. She got offered to play in the MIAC summer season but she didnt want to play on teams that recruited her. Does HCAC have a summer league  I know Rose doesnt do one if there is due to internships.

I know not all rosters are posted yet but how do you think the conference will look like.  How did the st. mary crosstown start.  What is coach prevos reputation.  in all my dealings with him he has been terrific.   Rose was the last school she would visit and they did something real smart.  The head of the school told her "Kahlan its great that your a terrific basketball player and we look forward to having you play but your hear because of your mind and you wouldn't be here if we felt you would not flourish here.  That meant alot to her and got her to pass up full rides from D2 and Naia schools.  Coach Prevo also told her that her hard work had given her options and she should be proud of that. That to many kids dont have the options they may only have one offer or cant afford a school so they attend a university they may not want to or take a major thats not their first choice.  To be frank they didnt make her feel like a piece of meat.  Some will argue with me and have that the following sentiment kept her from being a D1 player they may be right i Have no ideal but when she says basketball is part of me but not who I am. Im proud of that.  There is no WNBA for my daughter she has already stated that she is going to treat these 4 years as her Wnba career and also to get the experiences team wise she wasnt able to have in high school.

ok enough rambling dont have anyone to talk to about their kids experience as she is the only one from her school to play college,
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2019, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on October 15, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
ok i have basketball fever it was hell not having my daughter play AAU this summer. She got offered to play in the MIAC summer season but she didnt want to play on teams that recruited her. Does HCAC have a summer league  I know Rose doesnt do one if there is due to internships.
I don't believe the HCAC has anything like that.

Quote from: Jester1390 on October 15, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
I know not all rosters are posted yet but how do you think the conference will look like.   
My guess is Transylvania is still the team to beat, but Rose and Hanover will be in the mix. They've been in the top 4 for the past few years. Hard to say until rosters are set.

Quote from: Jester1390 on October 15, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
How did the st. mary crosstown start. 
I don't know the origins, but I know St Mary-of-the-Woods was an all women school until just a few years ago. RHIT was all male until the 90s I think.
My guess is that the Hulman family connections are the reason. They're best known now for IndyCar and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway but originally Hulman & Company was founded in the mid 1800s in Terre Haute for groceries and best known for Clabber Girl baking powder. A few of the females in the Hulman family went to St Mary while the Hulman name was added to Rose Polytechnic in 1971 for their contributions there.
There's also Indiana State located between the two but they're a D1 program.

Quote from: Jester1390 on October 15, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
What is coach prevos reputation.  in all my dealings with him he has been terrific.   Rose was the last school she would visit and they did something real smart.  The head of the school told her "Kahlan its great that your a terrific basketball player and we look forward to having you play but your hear because of your mind and you wouldn't be here if we felt you would not flourish here.  That meant alot to her and got her to pass up full rides from D2 and Naia schools.  Coach Prevo also told her that her hard work had given her options and she should be proud of that. That to many kids dont have the options they may only have one offer or cant afford a school so they attend a university they may not want to or take a major thats not their first choice.  To be frank they didnt make her feel like a piece of meat.  Some will argue with me and have that the following sentiment kept her from being a D1 player they may be right i Have no ideal but when she says basketball is part of me but not who I am. Im proud of that.  There is no WNBA for my daughter she has already stated that she is going to treat these 4 years as her Wnba career and also to get the experiences team wise she wasnt able to have in high school.

ok enough rambling dont have anyone to talk to about their kids experience as she is the only one from her school to play college,
I can't say from personal experience (bowling was my sport of choice but wasn't offered at Franklin), but certainly the student part of student-athlete is far more emphasized than at a larger school.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 05:37:10 PM
Lol what happened on here, I was going through all the old posts just to get a feel for the history of the conference and when you get to 2015 its like a massacre happened and everyone disappeared.  Grizz your the only one left lol the others like passengers on a flight in the Bermuda Triangle Poof.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ronk on October 18, 2019, 07:14:41 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 05:37:10 PM
Lol what happened on here, I was going through all the old posts just to get a feel for the history of the conference and when you get to 2015 its like a massacre happened and everyone disappeared.  Grizz your the only one left lol the others like passengers on a flight in the Bermuda Triangle Poof.

Your frequent posting may inspire others to (re)join the forum; it's tough to stay interested if nobody's posting.  ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 09:28:40 PM
Lol Im a basketball junky and with my daughter being a freshman ill be here for awhile.  My daugther is in shape and she has had aau coaches who always say there is in shape and then their is basketball in shape.  She worked hard for college this summer but after a couple of practices  she has now added there is Rose Hulman shape.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 09:30:38 PM
I have another question what is the karma score and what affects it
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 10:32:20 PM
Ok was bored watching baseball game here is some food for fodder,

This is what each team graduated pts and rebound wise. Not all teams have new rosters up but i also included juniors who are not on the roster anymore.  Will start most loss pts a game  to least

1. Rose Hulman  6 seniors  55 pts 30 rebounds   New roster not posted yet. i know though that was freshman is no longer playing due to knee injury.

2. Transylvania  5 seniors  29pts 10 rebounds    All juniors are back

3. Mount St Joesph  3 seniors  23pts 14 reb     new roster not posted

4.Defiance   3 seniors  23 pts 12 rebounds   new roster not posted

5.Manchester  5 seniors 22pts 15 reb     new roster not posted

6.Bluffton    1 senior didnt average over one  however they have 4 juniors not on this years roster who averaged 15 pts and 10 rebounds would be interesting to know what happened there,  Hamline University in the MIAC went through a similar thing. Older players tried to start a  coup with new coach and they all quit and Hamline went on to have their best year in a long time. I coached 2 of the players on that team.

7.Hanover 3 seniors 15 pts 5 reb   2 juniors not back   2pts 1 reb

8.Franklin  1 senior 10 pts 4 reb all juniors back

9. Earlham 7 pts 4 reb 1 junior not back 7 pts 2 reb

10.Anderson   0 seniors      1 junior not back 1pt 1 reb
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2019, 11:40:51 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 09:30:38 PM
I have another question what is the karma score and what affects it

QuoteKarma is an optional feature that shows the popularity of a certain member. The administrator can enable this from core features. When members are allowed, they can Applaud or Smite a member to raise or lower that member's karma.
When you have enough posts on the boards (can't remember what it is as I hit it a long time ago) you'll unlock the ability to applaud or smite people. It will be located right underneath the karma score. Ultimately it doesn't do anything special but it's a nice way to show appreciation for posts that were helpful/liked/etc or to show displeasure with someone who's being chaotic and disruptive. So right now I've been applauded 480 times and smited 49.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2019, 11:49:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2019, 11:40:51 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 09:30:38 PM
I have another question what is the karma score and what affects it

QuoteKarma is an optional feature that shows the popularity of a certain member. The administrator can enable this from core features. When members are allowed, they can Applaud or Smite a member to raise or lower that member's karma.
When you have enough posts on the boards (can't remember what it is as I hit it a long time ago) you'll unlock the ability to applaud or smite people. It will be located right underneath the karma score. Ultimately it doesn't do anything special but it's a nice way to show appreciation for posts that were helpful/liked/etc or to show displeasure with someone who's being chaotic and disruptive. So right now I've been applauded 480 times and smited 49.

The applaud/smite buttons appear after your 200th post.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 11:53:32 PM
Mr Ypsi you must have some controversial posts lol   with all your smits
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ronk on October 19, 2019, 01:11:39 AM
 By a margin of .15%, we love Mr. Ypsi's posts.    :)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on October 21, 2019, 06:11:24 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 10:32:20 PM
Ok was bored watching baseball game here is some food for fodder,

This is what each team graduated pts and rebound wise. Not all teams have new rosters up but i also included juniors who are not on the roster anymore.  Will start most loss pts a game  to least

1. Rose Hulman  6 seniors  55 pts 30 rebounds   New roster not posted yet. i know though that was freshman is no longer playing due to knee injury.

2. Transylvania  5 seniors  29pts 10 rebounds    All juniors are back

3. Mount St Joesph  3 seniors  23pts 14 reb     new roster not posted

4.Defiance   3 seniors  23 pts 12 rebounds   new roster not posted

5.Manchester  5 seniors 22pts 15 reb     new roster not posted

6.Bluffton    1 senior didnt average over one  however they have 4 juniors not on this years roster who averaged 15 pts and 10 rebounds would be interesting to know what happened there,  Hamline University in the MIAC went through a similar thing. Older players tried to start a  coup with new coach and they all quit and Hamline went on to have their best year in a long time. I coached 2 of the players on that team.

7.Hanover 3 seniors 15 pts 5 reb   2 juniors not back   2pts 1 reb

8.Franklin  1 senior 10 pts 4 reb all juniors back

9. Earlham 7 pts 4 reb 1 junior not back 7 pts 2 reb

10.Anderson   0 seniors      1 junior not back 1pt 1 reb


I wouldn't worry about Bluffton. Their sports information is always a hot mess. Until recently every single sentence in every single paragraph in every story on that website ended with an exclamation point.

Their WBB Twitter page has a photo of five incoming freshmen - one of whom looks to be at least 6'1. They did lose some seniors this year, but none that weren't replace-able from what I could tell - I rarely see any games in person anymore since my neice graduated but I still keep up with them because it's so much fun to see the frustration when teams lose to the smart girls! Bluffton usually have a few solid kids in every recruiting class. Well-coached and tough to beat at their place.

Transy and Hanover, on paper, should be the pre-season #1 and #2. If I were a betting man I'd say Hanover is the team to beat. Transy is a COMPLETELY different team on the road vs. at home, so hosting rights are HUGE! RHIT is very much on terra incognita right now, will be fun to see what kind of team emerges with all the young blood - apparently many of the new players were very highly recruited and capable of playing at a high level, but you never know what you'll get with such youth. They might finish anywhere from 4th to actually winning it. Hanover has a solid nucleus returning and likely recruited well also.

other HCAC programs:
#4 - Bluffton (always dangerous and well-coached and if they picked up some great freshmen look out)
#5 - Franklin (good players and they have recruited well recently)
#6 - Anderson (this SHOULD be the year they take some steps toward being competitive - had the Fresh. of year and 2-3 other good freshmen last year)

Manchester - extremely well-coached
Earlham - Good enough to beat teams they shouldn't, especially at home mid-week
MSJ - They lost the 2nd-best PG in the league and another really good player. Depends on how they recruited.
Defiance - Could contend for top 6. Well-coached and played both RHIT and Hanover tough last year I believe

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 22, 2019, 02:16:15 AM
who is usually the doormat. I know the rose players all know the winning tradition at Rose the last few years,  They are embracing the challenge of not just hopefully filling the shoes of the class that just graduated and did so many thing but getting even bigger shoes.  They are such a large class lots of post players.  Nosa can jump out of the gym. My daughter had to play point alot out of high school and she isnt slow for a 6 footer but she said she is slow compared to Desiree and some of the others., kahlan has played with very quick girls in AAu. But Desiree is the quickest she has played with.  Rose is a machine inside.  All the other freshman can hoop. My daughter cant believe what it is like to play with everyone knowing how to play.   There is only 3 older players returning  I believe one isnt able to come back from concussions from last year. Not 100 percent on that I know she was still hurting when school started.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on October 22, 2019, 11:37:53 AM
Doormat?
Hmm...the only school who has not finished in the top six (and thus qualified for the HCAC Tournament) at least once in the past decade is Anderson. Anderson has always had some talent and coaching - but they keep losing layers to either injury or just quitting basketball altogether. They have had two really outstanding PG's in the past five years that each quit the team (and possibly school altogether) and, coincidentally one of the more recent games I attended was at Anderson and I just asked an Anderson parent I sat next to what happened to them and was told they left school to get married (it's a church school). They have recruited fairly well recently so I'm expecting them to eventually start winning a bit - they had RHIT on the ropes at their place last season and, but for a couple late turnovers, probably should have won.
Talent-wise, Transylvania and Hanover (RHIT is unknown quantity so leaving them out) are considerably further ahead of the other seven teams, but probably all of them are just good enough to win a home game vs. either if they don't play well. Feels like the rest of the conference is slowly catching up to the top 3 schools. Will be intriguing to see the new RHIT team - I'm sure everyone is hoping they will be down this year.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 23, 2019, 05:00:20 PM
Rose_Hulman roster for this year  4 returning players and 7 freshman.  The 8th freshman decided Rose was not what she wanted.

2019-20 Rose-Hulman Women's Basketball Roster
No.   Name   Pos.   Cl.   Ht.   Major   Hometown/High School
10   Stacy Fox   G   Jr.   5-6   Mechanical Engineering   Westport, Ind. / South Decatur
12   Desirae Webster   G   Fr.   5-7   Civil Engineering   Power Springs, Ga. / Hillgrove
14   Nola Wilson   G   Fr.   5-6   Biomedical Engineering   Indianapolis, Ind. / Tindley
21   Jordan Barlow   F   Fr.   6-1   Mechanical Engineering   Haven, Kan. / Haven
24   Hannah Woody   G   Sr.   5-7   Electrical Engineering   Cincinnati, Ohio / Milford
25   Morgan Brown   G   Jr.   5-9   Computer Engineering   Rolesville, N.C. / Rolesville
30   Caitlin Young   F   So.   5-9   Chemical Engineering   Flower Mound, Texas / Flower Mound
33   Kahlan Jester   G   Fr.   6-0   Chemical Engineering   New Brighton, Minn. / Irondale
45   Avery Lewman   F   Fr.   5-10   Mechanical Engineering   Muncie, Ind. / Delta
50   Rose Burnham   F   Fr.   5-11   Mechanical Engineering   South Riding, Va. / Freedom
54   Nosa Igiehon   F   Fr.   6-0   Chemical Engineering   Wheeling, Ill. / Wheeling
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 24, 2019, 11:14:22 PM
Well the pressure is going to be on the freshman at Rose, A upperclassmen decided to stop playing today.  That leaves them with 3 returning players and 7 freshman and one of the returning players is hurt and will be out for a while.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 25, 2019, 11:40:19 AM
Well engine,


Rose has to be the youngest team in D3 and probably all of basketball except JUCOs.  I have confidence in my daughter and the class looks really talented but oh my they are young.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 25, 2019, 04:49:20 PM
Thanks I will be there we will know a lot more about them by then
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 03:32:02 PM
I'm intrigued about the comment "MIAA summer league." I hope the coaches aren't involved in that. I will have to ask around, because those kinds of things aren't sanctioned in DIII. They have to be a completely student-run option. Maybe someone was selling a bill of goods or I am not aware of something else.

I am familiar with summer leagues where DIII players get together and play, but it is usually a bit more informal and not necessarily against one another.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ronk on October 29, 2019, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 03:32:02 PM
I'm intrigued about the comment "MIAA summer league." I hope the coaches aren't involved in that. I will have to ask around, because those kinds of things aren't sanctioned in DIII. They have to be a completely student-run option. Maybe someone was selling a bill of goods or I am not aware of something else.

I am familiar with summer leagues where DIII players get together and play, but it is usually a bit more informal and not necessarily against one another.

There's been a Philly suburban summer women's college league for years; D2 and D3 players can play with college teammates on the same team; only D1 players are restricted in whom their summer teammates can be.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 29, 2019, 05:49:49 PM
It's the Miac    They have a summer league ran through the YWCA.  All Miac teams play plus I think there is some alumni teams.   There are no coaches involved.   If it not legal the. The whole Miac is in trouble
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 29, 2019, 07:14:22 PM
I shouldnt say all Miac teams play but alot do,   I became aware of it as Tanysha Scott runs the YWCA in Minneapolis.  Tanysha is part of the Jada Hill family which is a royal basketball pedigrees through out there whole family. She won a state tiltle last year coaching DeLasalle High school. She coached my daughter in AAU. She offered to have Kahlan join one of the teams but my daughter decided not too. She just felt bad that she had told a lot of local coaches no and didnt want girls being upset for taking any time from local players when she was not going to play in state. I never went to a game but i have girls i coached in youth that play for MIAC teams and i know that its all run by the girls and the girls have to pay.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 31, 2019, 12:15:05 PM
Well the pressure is on. Here is the pre season poll. They got a first place vote which if i take my bias away is remarkable to me. We will start to get a taste of who they are when they scrimmage Greenville University this weekend. Greenville was 23-5 last year
2019-20 HCAC WOMEN'S BASKETBALL PRESEASON POLL
(#) Denotes First Place Votes

1.   Transylvania University (8)   90
2.   Hanover College (1)   88
3.   Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology (1)   62
4.   Anderson University   59
5.   Franklin College   54
6.   Bluffton University   52
7.   Defiance College   50
8.   Earlham College   39
9.   Mount St. Jospeh University   38
10.   Manchester University   18
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 31, 2019, 12:16:51 PM
on Conference site

2019-20 HCAC Players to Watch:

Anderson
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Payton Moore   SO   Spiceland, Ind.   Forward
Lexi Dellinger   SO   Berne, Ind.   Guard
Hannah Hawkins   JR   Fairmount, Ind.   Center

Bluffton
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
TJ Mills   SR   Dayton, Ohio   Guard
Brianna Gillig   SO   New Riegel, Ohio   Forward
Kylie Brock   JR   Villa Hills, Ky.    Guard

Defiance
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Danielle Carruthers   SR   New London, Ohio   Post
Liz Martin   SR   Bellefontaine, Ohio   Guard
Kalyn Pickens   JR   Fort Wayne, Ind.    Guard
Taylor Day   SO   West Mansfield, Ohio   Guard

Earlham
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Zoe Curtis   SR   New Castle, Ind.   Center
Camryn White   SR   Louisville, Ky.   Guard
Kayla Bowling   JR   Osgood, Ind.    Guard
Acacia Tenette   JR   Sacramento, Calif.   Guard

Franklin
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Bayleigh Walker   JR   Plainfield, Ind.    Forward
Jessica Nix   SO   Martinsville, Ind.   Guard
Britney Ballard   SO   Columbus, Ind.   Guard
Destinee Cross   SO   Lafayette, Ind.   Forward

Hanover
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Alexis Nall   SR   Mr. Vernon, Ind.   Forward
Katie Hartman   SR   Madison, Ind.   Guard
Brooke Todd   SR   Vevay, Ind.   Guard

Manchester
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Nicole Weaver   SR   Fort Wayne, Ind.   Guard

Mount St. Joseph
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Maddie Haberthy   JR   Cincinnati, Ohio   Guard
Mackenzie Marcum   JR   Cincinnati, Ohio   Guard

Rose-Hulman
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Hannah Woody   SR   Cincinnati, Ohio   Guard
Morgan Brown   JR   Rolesville, N.C.   Guard
Desirae Webster   FR   Powder Springs, Ga.   Guard
Kahlan Jester   FR   New Brighton, Minn.   Guard
Nosa Igiehon   FR   Wheeling, Ill.   Forward
Rose Burnham   FR   South Riding, Va.   Forward

Transylvania
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Shelby Boyle   SR   Morgantown, W.Va.   Forward
Ashton Woodard   SR   Mt. Sterling, Ky.    Guard
Novi Walker   JR   Danville, Ky.   Point Guard
Elizabeth Hardiman   JR   Wincherster, Ky.   Center
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 31, 2019, 12:20:00 PM
It shows you how young Rose is.  They are the only team with a freshman listed for players to watch.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on October 31, 2019, 12:54:54 PM
Thanks Jester1390, I checked the HCAC site last night and the preseason poll was not up yet. So you are on top of it, good job you. I am surprised that Rose-Hulman got a 1st place vote, I would of thought that Transy would of gotten 9 votes and the Transy coach would of case her vote for Hanover. It is not a big deal and meaningless in the big picture of things, but it would be interesting to know who voted for Hanover and Rose-Hulman with their 1st place votes. Is there some old, bad blood somewhere in HCAC country?

I hadn't given Rose-Hulman a lot of thought going into this season, but because of your passion here I have Feb. 8th marked on the calendar for RHIT's visit to Lexington. By that time freshman will no longer be playing like freshman. Should be fun to watch.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 31, 2019, 01:44:50 PM
The women's and mens polls are remarkable similar including the same teams making up the top 6 (conference tournament teams).
Top 3 are the same (Transy, Hanover, Rose)
4-6 are the same teams but different order (Franklin, Bluffton, Anderson)
7 and 9 are swapped (MSJ and Defiance)
8 and 10 are the same (Earlham and Manchester).

Also, if you take away the local Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, and Illinois players to watch... you're left with Earlham having one from California, Transy has one from West Virginia, and Rose with 4 from Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, and Minnesota.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on October 31, 2019, 03:20:49 PM
Not surprised that RHIT got a vote - From everything I have read (and watched-they all have film available online), RHIT has a very talented Freshmen class. The issues to watch will be:
- #1 - Will they play like Freshmen or will they adjust very quickly to the college game (much like the class that just graduated-which was 23-4 their Freshman year), or will they struggle with the vast differences from the high school game. Looks like there will be many times this season where there will be five first-year players on the floor!
- #2 - Depth. Doesn't look like they have much and will need to avoid foul trouble and injuries all season.

Bottom line is RHIT attracts tough-minded kids whom are not afraid of a challenge - that's one of the reasons they are always an elite program defensively. They were not terribly diverse offensively over the past few seasons because they were not a great outside-shooting team, but from what I can see online, that has been addressed via recruiting.

Again, just spit-balling here based on what I can find online but a comparison to the recently-departed team would be:

PG - Bromenschenkel's length was an absolute killer and she got the ball down the floor and got the offense going and rarely turned the ball over. She scored when the opportunity was there but her strengths were her defensive presence and her steadiness at the PG position. The freshman from Georgia looks to be MUCH quicker North/South and at least as good a shooter. Will be interesting to see if her quickness will compensate for the loss of length at that position.

Wing 2 and 3 - Woody will get a chance to shine a bit and earn more playing time. Huge question mark here. Perhaps Jester could shine some light on what they have at these positions?

Post 4 and 5 - This looks, at least to me, to be the real strengths of this class. Igiehon had multiple Division I offers (per her Twitter page) and looks to be an absolute beast in the paint on her HS film. Barlow looks rangy and very athletic for 6'1. Burnham reminds me a LOT of former Fightin' Engineer Chiarra Franklin, whom was HCAC Tourny MVP and a rebounding and charge-taking machine. Then there is Lewman, who looks like she might have had a knee injury at one point in HS, like a lot of girls, but looks to have a really high IQ for the game and possesses a REALLY nice shooting form.

In addition, Coach Prevo's teams are always very disciplined and extraordinarily gritty and tough defensively - so It WILL be interesting! Hope to make it to at least one home game this year to see it in person.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 31, 2019, 04:43:54 PM
Ok engineered.  Lol well I am little biased but the 3 hopefully will be my daughter Kahlan.   I say this humbly she has been told she is a Swiss Army knife she can do whatever position and skill set required by the team for a particular game. In high school she guarded whoever was the other teams best player she has guarded d1 point guards and post players now playing at Bucknell and Arkansas and Wisconsin.   The most points she allowed a girl she was guarding last year was 6 pts and that was a d1 player.  Now college whole new game so we will see what happens  with her height and her flag rowing up a point guard I hope will give her advantages now that she can concentrate on just being a three.

The posted a game of hers on a previous page in which she scores 28 but it shows here defense going from guarding point guArd to post.  Her ability to pass and block shots and bringing the ball. Up

But of course as I tell her none of it matters. What are you going to do tomorrow is the thing that counts 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 02, 2019, 05:45:26 PM
Well here is the first game report for RHIT.  They scrimmaged Greenville university today. Greenville was 23-5 last year. RHIT won 74-63.  I cant tell you everything i know because i want to keep some of the things my daughter shares private. i can however say this was the best time she has ever had playing basketball.  My daughter comes from a high school program that had alot of problems.   I dont know totals on the scoring except the posts were monsters like you predicted engin.  Kahlan had 6 pts  and before i tell you what she had for assists i just want you to know my daughter doesn't exaggerate or feel the need to say she did big things if she didnt. With that said she texted me she thinks she had literally over 20 assists.  So i would guess 15 for sure would be a safe number,

Wish i could have seen them and look forward to seeing them in Berea.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 05, 2019, 02:42:24 PM
One preseason All-American (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/preseason-2020) from the conference, Alexis Nall from Hanover made 2nd team AA
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2019, 10:53:29 PM
The season is officially underway.
Manchester loses at home to Adrian 75-59 in a game that the Spartans had taken the lead in early in the 4th before giving up 16 unanswered.
Earlham opens tomorrow
Bluffton starts on the 11th
Anderson and Transy begin on the 12th
Defiance on the 13th
Hanover on the 15th
MSJ on the 16th
Franklin still 2 weeks away on the 22nd
Rose with the final opener on the 23rd
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 11, 2019, 10:50:26 PM
Bluffton beat Alma.  62=49  Alma had the worst 3 pt shooting i have ever witnessed. Just not that they didnt make them but they had all day to shoot them, they were 4-25 and that was with a freshman hitting back to back late in game off the bench.  I think i saw 6 airballs on them so you dont even get a chance to rebound.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 11, 2019, 11:05:40 PM
Well it was good that the HCAC got their first win of the season. They are now 1-2 on the season with all 3 games against MIAA schools.

Three games on the schedule for tomorrow night.

Transylvania hosts Spalding (a game I will be attending)
Earlham hosts #10 DePauw
Anderson hosts Ohio Northern
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 12, 2019, 08:52:01 PM
Transy  was up 4 over spalding about half way through the 3rd quarter and then put the hammer down to win 79-57

Anderson lost 59-49 was pretty much a 10 point game throughout
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 13, 2019, 08:36:18 AM
Was at the Transylvania-Spalding game last night and the Pioneers came away with a very yeoman like victory. My first thoughts watching them is that this team misses Celia Kline and is going to be a work in progress as some adjust to life without her. Freshman Kennedi Stacy has taken her spot in the lineup and you can see the talent there especially with the ball in her hands in the open court, but the first game jitters were there also and she is a long ways from giving them what Kline gave them a year ago. Transy's Jr. 6-3 Center Elizabeth Hardiman left the game after only 4 minutes and the medical staff seemed to be working on her knee, she did not return to the game, but did not have it wrapped or iced either and remained on the bench until the end of the game. Hopefully nothing serious there. The Pioneers have a fair amount of low post depth (5 players in the 6-1 to 6-3 range who play in the post), but I don't think anybody move their feet as well as Hardiman does.

Shelby Boyle was very good again last night with 22 points to lead Transy, 16 in the first quarter when the team seemed to really struggling to find a rhythm. Boyle does soo many thing on the court for her team that she is like having a extra coach on the floor. She finished with 6 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 blocks to go along with her points. Zenoviah Walker and Ashton Woodard both added 14 points for the balanced attack at the end of the night.

I'm also going to give Spalding some credit here. Maleah Hirn has a nice all around game and was a pain for Transy most of the night and ended with 17 points and 6 assists, but she may have exposed a hole in the Transy defense. For now I wonder if Transy might struggle with quick guard play this season. Also for the Golden Eagles, Post player Hunter Wright showed some good movement skills for a 6-0 player and pitched in 8 points and 6 rebounds. Lefty post player Hannah Renfro came off the bench to add 8 points with a few nice spin moves in the low post. Megan Goeing had a very nice defensive game all night on Transylvania's Ashton Woodard who ended the night shooting only 4-16 from the floor and Megan was a big part of that. And lastly Sr. Allison Just (coaches daughter?) is a nice all around piece in the Spalding lineup added 13 points (3-5 on 3 point attempts) and 6 rebounds.

Transy can play better as a team and I'm sure they will, maybe the lose of Hardiman early in the game messed up their flow from the start. Their size is going to give most teams a problem, but quicker teams may give them some problems also. Will be fun to watch playout.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 19, 2019, 11:31:33 AM
the conference is 6-8 heading in to tonight's action.  Cant wait for saturday.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 19, 2019, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 19, 2019, 11:31:33 AM
the conference is 6-8 heading in to tonight's action.  Cant wait for saturday.

And they might not improve on that tonight. There 3 games scheduled tonight and none Wednesday or Thursday. The 3 tonight are Alma @ Earlham, Mount St. Joseph @ Heidelberg and Transylvania @ Berea. Earlham is probably in deep water and Mount St. Joseph has a chance, but it is on the road. The Transylvania-Berea could be a very good game, Berea won 22 games a year ago and returns most. Still debating whether to make the trip down I-75 and take this one in, might be worth the one hour drive.

Just 4 more days and RHIT will get to test themselves against Berea also Jester. You will get a little side by side comparison of RHIT and Transylvania.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 19, 2019, 01:16:50 PM
i will be there saturday
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 19, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Watched the trany vs berea game.. Trany won due to dominating the boards. 22 and 3 kept berea in the game.  Give me hope for Saturday. Rhit is bigger then Trany at the guard and foward spots with girl with reall good wingspans so hopefully the hieght on the perimeter will make it harder for 22 to shot 3 s over them. It will be interesting to see if the speed of rhits pg guard can shut down 3 who likes she can only go left.

i have no ideal what will happen. with so many freshman im sure there will be alot of a nerves but at the same time hopefully they say what the hell and play loose and well
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 19, 2019, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 19, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Watched the trany vs berea game.. Trany won due to dominating the boards. 22 and 3 kept berea in the game.  Give me hope for Saturday. Rhit is bigger then Trany at the guard and foward spots with girl with reall good wingspans so hopefully the hieght on the perimeter will make it harder for 22 to shot 3 s over them. It will be interesting to see if the speed of rhits pg guard can shut down 3 who likes she can only go left.

i have no ideal what will happen. with so many freshman im sure there will be alot of a nerves but at the same time hopefully they say what the hell and play loose and well

Well the bar was set for you this evening and Saturday will give a small comparison between where RHIT and Transylvania stand early on. I did not think Transy played very well at times tonight yet they still overcame a very poor shooting night for them and still got the win against a good opponent on their floor. These are character building type of wins that help a team grow.

Good luck to RHIT on Saturday, it will be interesting to watch as they also grow and develop together.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 20, 2019, 12:45:29 AM
If you are buying drinks at the bar do let me know, I'm all in on that! ;D

It is good to hear that your daughter and others are overcoming those huddles you mentioned, it should serve them well in their adult lives.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 23, 2019, 02:48:18 PM
Well crying in my pillow.  It will get better learn to hand press hopefully no lid on the basket and the bunnies go in
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 23, 2019, 07:40:57 PM
Transylvania remains unbeaten with another good, hard fought win on the road today against another good opponent. Down 10 to start the 4th quarter and really battled to get the 59-56 win at Wittenberg. This on the heels of the win at Berea and handing them their only lose on the season as Berea is now 5-1. The 2 SR's Boyle and Woodard are both gritty, never say die type of players and that type of leadership is rubbing off on the rest of their team. Another character building win. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2019, 05:31:00 AM
Just saw the Rose score... oof. Not the way to start the season but it was their first game against a team playing their 6th. Some stiff competition the next few games too. Could very well be 0-4 to start. The question is how will they respond heading into conference play when it really matters and the opponents aren't as strong. Best thing they can do is treat these next few games as preseason to iron things out, not worry about the score, and consider December 7th the season opener.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on November 24, 2019, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2019, 05:31:00 AM
Just saw the Rose score... oof. Not the way to start the season but it was their first game against a team playing their 6th. Some stiff competition the next few games too. Could very well be 0-4 to start. The question is how will they respond heading into conference play when it really matters and the opponents aren't as strong. Best thing they can do is treat these next few games as preseason to iron things out, not worry about the score, and consider December 7th the season opener.

Grizz, I watched most of it, and they REALLY struggled, with more turnovers than I've seen an Engineer team commit in over a decade. They DO have a lot of impressive-looking Freshmen, but yesterday reminded me too much of the pre-2005 teams, when they were just getting women's basketball off the ground at RHIT, and took a lot of 40-point beatings. Lots of unforced errors out on the perimeter, 0-13 from beyond the arc, and as Jester says, REALLY struggled to finish around the basket . Hopefully, this one can be chalked up to having a team that is 90% Freshmen playing their first game vs. Berea's sixth, as Grizz points out - because the rest of the teams on the schedule won't feel very sorry for them, and each of RHIT's next three opponents in particular are a LOT better than Berea and would likely drill the Mountaineers by 20, minimum. RHIT showed flashes of potential on a few possessions, but they need to clean things up in a hurry or they could legitimately be looking at an 0-4 or even an 0-5 start heading into the four HCAC games before Christmas - and two more extremely talented non-conference teams await them in Nashville, TN in late December before conference play kicks into high gear in January.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 24, 2019, 11:07:56 AM
Hi guys. Was at the game and of course I'm biased but I Like to think I'm pretty straight forward and open when it come to my daughter and the teams she is on.   As my son texted me during the game they are being out muscled and they look like freshman.  I will only talk on my daughter she was o-8 from 3 pt line I can promise that is not the norm. I actually thought she played really good defense she was out there for 32 min.  They only have her one block shot but I know she had at least 3

Berea scored  the majority of their points pressing our backcourt and the team didn't handle that well at all  when it was half court they held their own.  I was looking at last years schedule and the really good team lost their first game by 17 and then another by 27  so I told her not to wig out.   The girls seemed in good spirits they understand that teams are going to keep pressuring them and try to physically intimidate them

I liked that they never stopped playing hard and in that 4th quarter that was 9-1 they started being really physical back. These girls know all about the class before them they plan on continuing the tradition

The only excuse I would make for them is they are indeed the youngest team in America and I would guess there even younger then most jucco teams

Chicago is next I'm here now. Hopefully we will see improvement with the pressure.  My daughter takes the lid off the basket   And just the nerves in general are now over and they continue to learn how to play with a shot clock get used to the college game and most importantly how to play and have chemistry together
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 24, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Also on berea I don't think you guys are giving them enough credit for how good they are I watched the game vs Transylvania's and I felt they should have won the game   They made some mistakes at the end that cost them.  But I believe they will be a ranked team very shortly they have played mos tif their games at home
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 25, 2019, 09:40:02 PM
Well the youngest team in America just got younger. One of the 3 remaining upperclassman at rose left the school.  So with one player being hurt that means the lone upperclassman Hannah will be Snow White at university Chicago game tomorrow. It will be Hannah and the Seven freshman
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2019, 10:45:25 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 25, 2019, 09:40:02 PM
Well the youngest team in America just got younger. One of the 3 teaming upperclassman at rose left the school.  So with one player being hurt that means the lone upperclassman Hannah will be Snow White at university Chicago game tomorrow. It will be Hannah and the Seven freshman

I think you should send that as an idea to the Disney Studios!  A movie or at least a song. ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 25, 2019, 11:10:44 PM
Transylvania is up to 10th in the new D 3 poll. No other HCAC team received a vote this week.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 26, 2019, 08:27:18 PM
Still a lot to work on but a much better game as rose loses 74-53. They did get it down to 12 with 2:50 to go.  Huge improvement from game one
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 30, 2019, 09:14:28 PM
Well Engine. Not as a good a effort as Chicago but the elements of improvement. While still struggling with press break. Got turnovers down to 19.  Out rebounded IWU.  Outside shooting mainly have to be honest here my daughter is struggling. I have never seen a slump like this from her but she has been playing exceptional defense so at least the struggles are limited to the outside shot and I know she will fix that hopefully starting tomorrow.  They gave up something like 20 pts off of turnovers and 9 threes thus the score.   They keep showing that if they can get in a half court vs half court game they can more then hold there own.  Another tough game tomorrow hopefully they can come out of the gate stronger then they have been
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 30, 2019, 10:51:36 PM
She just needs to see a couple shots go down. 0 of 18 from three and 1 of 22 from the field is rough... maybe if she takes some closer jumpers until they start dropping.
Probably going to be another game like the first three against WashU, but then opportunities to get in the win column against St Mary of the Woods and the conference opener against Defiance.

Conference as a whole is 17-24 so far with 1 unbeaten and 3 winless. Anderson-Defiance opens conference play on the 3rd followed by Hanover-Franklin and Bluffton-MSJ the next night. Everyone else joins in on the 7th.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 30, 2019, 11:03:33 PM
Overall I think the conference is weaker this year than most years. If a young team can weather the early storm they will have a chance late in the season. Transylvania has lost their point guard until the 1st of January and they struggled this weekend in their tournament without her. If they stumble early in conference play it could open the door for someone else to gain the home court advantage.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 01, 2019, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: Baldini on November 30, 2019, 11:03:33 PM
Overall I think the conference is weaker this year than most years. If a young team can weather the early storm they will have a chance late in the season. Transylvania has lost their point guard until the 1st of January and they struggled this weekend in their tournament without her. If they stumble early in conference play it could open the door for someone else to gain the home court advantage.
It's too early to start projecting if teams could have a Pool C opportunity so the easiest goal is simply win the conference tournament. 3rd and 4th seeds host 5th and 6th in the 1st round, 1 seed hosts the semis and finals.
So the goals are:
1) 6th place to make tournament
2) 4th place to host a first round game
3) 2nd place to get a bye
4) 1st place to get a bye and host

Last year 9-9 was good enough for 4th place and 7-11 made the tournament so early season struggles aren't the end of the world. Franklin men were 2-8 and 9th place mid-January last season but finished strong to end up 9-9 and winning a game in the conference tournament.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 01, 2019, 12:14:45 PM
I think when it comes to RHIT it's important to remember they haven't been playing any creampuffs.  Berea I think is better then some think but I chalk that whole game up to 7 freshman all playing at once with nerves. It's eSy for a program to rotate 1 or 2 freshman into a line up bit when you are incorporating a whole class.  That's another matter they are not Duke

They have been playing against experienced really good defensive teams and with them moving to conference games I expect they will get more looks and easier shots.   They have been very good rebounding with almost everyone getting 4-5 rebounds minimum.  They play physical but they need to learn passes they got away with in high school they can't do in college.  Also need to be more aware and get used to shot clock.  They had 3 violations last game.  Heading out to see the game.  Hope to see them start stronger.  They have started each game not well then started to sort out things
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on December 01, 2019, 05:45:43 PM
Jester1390 -- glad to see that your daughter shot well (.500 eFG% : 12 pts from 12 FG att) and hit her FT for a team high (tied) of 13 pts.
Effective Field Goal Pct / eFG% is an NBA stat that accurately credits the quantity of made threes within FG shooting. The formula is "pts scored from twos and threes" / 2x FG att. FTs are not involved.
If it were up to me, 3FG and 2FG shooting would be listed separately in the stats. Traditional FG% doesn't tell you if any threes are included.
Looking at FG%, 3FG% and FT % as a trio of team stats still doesn't tell you the extent that 3FGs were a factor. A team could make 2/5 threes or 20/50.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 01, 2019, 05:58:40 PM
3 of her shots were desperate with no shot clock left and she got passed the ball. Good step by girls still to many pts off of turnovers now they need to start believing.

 
ST. LOUIS, Mo. -- Washington University relied on a strong third quarter performance to turn a close game into a 67-47 victory over Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in the third-place game of the women's basketball Midwest Challenge on Sunday.

Rose-Hulman led the host Bears 8-6 after one quarter and were within four points at 24-20 at the half.  Washington University relied on a 25-point third quarter to pull away and improve to 3-2 on the season.

Kahlan Jester and Nosa Igiehon led the Rose-Hulman offense with 13 points each.  Jester finished 5-12 from the field with five rebounds and three assists.  Igiehon was 5-13 with nine rebounds on the afternoon.

Hannah Woody and Jordan Barlow contributed six points each for the Fightin' Engineers.  Nola Wilson had five points and four rebounds, Desirae Webster contributed seven rebounds and four assists, and Rose Burnham had six rebounds for Rose-Hulman.

Sammi Matoush led Washington University with 15 points and Naomi Jackson had 12 points.  Rose-Hulman held Washington University to just 8-31 from the field in the first half, before the hosts strong third quarter.

Rose-Hulman opens its home schedule against St. Mary-of-the-Woods in the Dorsett Automotive Crosstown Classic on Wednesday at 7:30 pm at Hulbert Arena. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 06:32:59 PM
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 06:32:59 PM
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative? 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2019, 08:27:28 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 06:32:59 PM
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

It wasn't necessarily for that post.  The problem with karma is there is no way to know what the applauder or smiter was reacting to - it could just as well be someone reading a two-day old post somewhere who took exception to it.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 01, 2019, 08:59:31 PM
I can tell you the girls are not thinking that way. I had 4 of them with me on thanksgiving and they said   They know they can't take any game for granted. They are very humble girls    At the same time they want and expect to win.  After today's game a parent said it's coming and my daughter and other girls said we have had enough of moral wins we want wins. So that is a good sign. They understand whers they are at and are not accepting that is where they are going to stay.  St Mary's game looks like its run and fun. That is something we have not tried yet

You can tell when they have spurts where they are just tired from the short roster 3 of the girls are averaging over 30 minutes. I told my daughter you may be in shape but after this weekend you will be in basketball shape.  The girls are strong the senior guard is embracing them and leading them.  I believe the past 4 games will have helped them  I can't imagine all the conference games will be as fast and have the defensive intensity that they got from playing 3 top 25 teams and a good berea team. Only time will tell. I know this the last 2 out of 3 games they have been right there if not for one bad quarter. If they can get rid of that they will be pretty good. When they were down 4 at half I told other parents that Washington would come out trying to get more pace and we would see if the girls believed yet.  Unfortunately they turned it over.    They out rebounded Washington for the game that is becoming the normal so they are strong on the boards but they gave 21 pts up off of turnovers this the score
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on December 01, 2019, 09:53:24 PM
Jester1390, check these stats for St Mary of the Woods :
https://smwcpomeroys.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/teams/saintmaryofthewoodscollege?view=lineup&r=0&pos=sh
They are a "System" team. If you already know about that style of play, disregard the following. If you're not familiar with that style, first check the minutes per game for the players. Most likely, they sub 4 or 5 at nearly every stoppage of play. Then note the quantity of 3FGs the team shoots per game. Note the per-game rebounds for them and opponents.
Also see the turnovers by them and opponents. True "System" teams trap full-court for the entire game, or at least the first 36-ish minutes. The opponent typically gets many layup opportunities when getting through the press.
RHIT is looking at a fast-paced game, many possessions, possibly/probably season highs in a number of statistical categories.
That said, RHIT Coach Prevo dealt with a (then) "System" team very successfully a few years ago, holding North Central (CCIW) to 49 points :
https://rosehulman.prestosports.com/sports/wbkb/2016-17/boxscores/20161126_x4hq.xml?view=boxscore
In their other 24 games that season, North Central averaged 91.3. It does not appear that this year's St Mary's team is as good as North Central was, but nor is this year's RHIT team compared to that RHIT team. At any rate, it should be an unusual game, maybe a wild one. Coach Prevo might be a little nervous having only 8 players.


Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2019, 10:27:23 PM
Hadn't thought of that.  Hard to imagine taking on a 'System' team with a roster of eight.  Yikes - they're gonna be sore by the end! :o ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 07:57:16 AM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 06:32:59 PM
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

If I had to guess: There might be some Defiance fans lurking on this page who took this as a slight to their team.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 02, 2019, 08:43:43 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 07:57:16 AM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 06:32:59 PM
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

If I had to guess: There might be some Defiance fans lurking on this page who took this as a slight to their team.

If , IF that is the reason it is a petty and cowardly act. This is a forum and allows all a chance to voice their opinion on a subject to agree or disagree. Off the top of my head I was thinking of the Defiance men's team that has won 3 conference games in the last two season, but the women's team was a respectable 8-10 in conference last season. And even though they are 0-4 this season in review they have played some good opponents competitively. So I correct myself and they will probably not be an easy win for RHIT in all likelihood. That was easy and anyone could of done just that to point out what they felt was an incorrect statement. It is a forum and things are open for debate, if something is wrong in your opinion state your case. Just don't be a coward.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 07:57:16 AM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 06:32:59 PM
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

If I had to guess: There might be some Defiance fans lurking on this page who took this as a slight to their team.

Has to be someone with 200 posts, though. You can't affect another person's karma until you have some longevity on the board.

Baldini also posts about football, so it might well be over there.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 02, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
HCAC schedule this week.

12/2
Earlham @ Wilmington (Ohio)

12/3
Anderson @ Defiance (first conference game)

12/4
Defiance @ Ohio Wesleyan
Hanover @ Franklin
Bluffton @ Mt. St. Joseph
St. Mary-Woods @ Rose-Hulman

12/7
Earlham @ Mt. St. Joseph
Transylvania @ Anderson
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman
Bluffton @ Franklin
Manchester @ Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 01:36:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 07:57:16 AM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 06:32:59 PM
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

If I had to guess: There might be some Defiance fans lurking on this page who took this as a slight to their team.

Has to be someone with 200 posts, though. You can't affect another person's karma until you have some longevity on the board.

Baldini also posts about football, so it might well be over there.

Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that. A lurker would likely not qualify to hurt someone's karma.

I suppose at some point, you stop paying attention to those numbers. For my part, I still remember exactly what I did to "earn" my three smites.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 02, 2019, 02:23:35 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 01:36:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 07:57:16 AM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 06:32:59 PM
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

If I had to guess: There might be some Defiance fans lurking on this page who took this as a slight to their team.

Has to be someone with 200 posts, though. You can't affect another person's karma until you have some longevity on the board.

Baldini also posts about football, so it might well be over there.

Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that. A lurker would likely not qualify to hurt someone's karma.

I suppose at some point, you stop paying attention to those numbers. For my part, I still remember exactly what I did to "earn" my three smites.
It'd be nice if we could see which post gets the smite.
Every time I get close to getting back to a 10:1 ratio I seem to pick up a couple random smites within a couple weeks of each other. Always a bit annoying when it happens but I still have a pretty solid score so that the occasional smite doesn't bother me.

And I believe I remember when those smites were Darryl... TGHIJGSTO! ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 02, 2019, 02:23:35 PM
...
And I believe I remember when those smites were Darryl... TGHIJGSTO! ;D

Actually, I did not get smited as part of that epic tale. Anyone who does not get that reference should read Gregory Sager's summary HERE (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.msg1722879;topicseen#msg1722879), which includes this reference:
Quote
Even Darryl "Perfect Karma" Nester, the politest man on the boards this side of Ralph Turner, got in on the fun:).

All three of my smites came from (what I thought was) some gentle pushback to an enthusiastic supporter of Marietta in December 2016: First, for this comment:
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2016, 07:39:43 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2016, 10:41:53 PM
How They Fared (So Far)

As a public service, I've highlighted a result that deserves extra attention, in case anyone had not yet heard the news.
...

I have finally answered the question, "What can I do that would make someone smite me?"

and then two more smites a couple of weeks later for this:
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 23, 2016, 10:43:52 AM
...

Let Spencer have his say. It is Festivus, after all.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bluffton.edu%2F%7Enesterd%2Fimages%2FFrank-Costanza-Festivus-small.jpg&hash=740d663273908f5d79c463db371243ae0d9aae9d)

P.S. Sorry to interject this tangential history recap into the other conversation here. Please don't smite me. :-\
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2019, 04:06:27 PM
Welp, that's Spence for you.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 02, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
TGHIJGSTO 2... Spence's return. If I remember correctly it ended up being the same person.
Those are tales that will be passed down from generation to generation. It's always fun to look back at that even if it was a bit irksome at the time. The boards have been around a long time and have a lot of good stories, in-jokes, and quotes. We should have a page to collect them all to help the newbies get up to speed. 8-)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 02, 2019, 07:40:11 PM
I have no idea why i have a smite,  I bring smart funny insightful commentary plus im lovable and hugable.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
TGHIJGSTO and Spence are not the same person.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 03, 2019, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
TGHIJGSTO and Spence are not the same person.

keep seeing these references, is TGHIJGSTO an acronym that stands for something?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on December 03, 2019, 01:55:59 PM
Twenty Greek Hydrologists In Japan Got Severely Ticklish Overnight
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 03, 2019, 01:58:21 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on December 03, 2019, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
TGHIJGSTO and Spence are not the same person.
keep seeing these references, is TGHIJGSTO an acronym that stands for something?

It's a long story; the short version is that an enthusiastic fan of Richard Stockton College (now Stockton University) was a frequent poster on the Men's Top 25 board during the 2013-14 season, making the case that his favorite team was not getting the respect it was due. He was somewhat combative when on his best behavior; quite a few times, he appeared to be posting under the influence of alcohol, to the detriment of both his manners and his coherence.

"TGHIJGSTO" stems from one of his less-coherent posts:
Quote from: hplc2222 on January 19, 2014, 11:28:59 PM
DONT JUSDT SAY TGHIJGSTO SAY THINGS, RICHARD STOCKMTON IS AS GOOD AS 15-0
(Note, if you click on the date of the above quote, you can read more of his posts.) From context, it is clear that he meant to type (or rather, to shout) "things to," but in d3boards lingo, it has come to be an all-purpose interjection.

Quote from: RogK on December 03, 2019, 01:55:59 PM
Twenty Greek Hydrologists In Japan Got Severely Ticklish Overnight
This is a reasonably good backronym (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backronym).
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2019, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on December 03, 2019, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
TGHIJGSTO and Spence are not the same person.

keep seeing these references, is TGHIJGSTO an acronym that stands for something?
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
Actually, I did not get smited as part of that epic tale. Anyone who does not get that reference should read Gregory Sager's summary HERE (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.msg1722879;topicseen#msg1722879), which includes this reference:
Check the link from Darryl's post. It was one of the maaaaany mistakes a since banned poster made. It was supposed to be "things to" but ended up TGHIJGSTO. And that's the one that's stuck for all eternity now.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2019, 02:13:38 PM
Before we get back to actual HCAC chatter I just want to point out that in 15 years this thread had 9 pages. Since August we're on the 7th page.

Heading into the first conference game tonight, the conference stands at 17-26 overall with Bluffton still undefeated while Rose, MSJ, and Defiance are winless. The three winless teams all finished in the top 5 last season and entering conference play were 3-3 Rose, 2-1 MSJ, 0-5 Defiance. We'll see if they shake off their early season struggles this year.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 03, 2019, 02:40:25 PM
On to conference play tonight.

Last night Earlham traveled to Wilmington (Ohio) for a non-conference game and came out on the short end 82-68. Sr. Camryn White lead Earlham with 22 points and Trinity McClendon added 17 off the bench in the defeat.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 03, 2019, 07:33:12 PM
Lol see im  a freshman poster much like Rose i am getting more and more confidence in my posts thus increasing the pages before long we will have at least 25 pages
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 03, 2019, 08:38:50 PM
In this weeks new poll, Transylvania slipped from 10th to 16th after the lose to Maryville in their tournament. No other HCAC team received any votes.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 03, 2019, 09:16:57 PM
Well Defiance wins with a basket in the final seconds to get the 56-54 decision over Anderson. And the HCAC regular season is under way.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 03, 2019, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2019, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on December 03, 2019, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
TGHIJGSTO and Spence are not the same person.

keep seeing these references, is TGHIJGSTO an acronym that stands for something?
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
Actually, I did not get smited as part of that epic tale. Anyone who does not get that reference should read Gregory Sager's summary HERE (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.msg1722879;topicseen#msg1722879), which includes this reference:
Check the link from Darryl's post. It was one of the maaaaany mistakes a since banned poster made. It was supposed to be "things to" but ended up TGHIJGSTO. And that's the one that's stuck for all eternity now.

thank you, while I initially got a terrific kick out of seeing someone post on D3boards like @dril tweets, it became clear (at least in my mind, this is my best guess as to what happened) from seeing the deterioration from his initial perfectly lucid posts (on page 13 of his history) to the most recent barely legible scrawl he posted before being banned that something became neurologically wrong with him - perhaps a stroke or Parkinson's-like condition that caused all the typos. Then it didn't feel so funny anymore.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 04, 2019, 07:49:08 PM
I don't know what it is with Franklin's audio... during football season the quality is good but it's too quiet... during basketball season the volume is fine but sounds like it's sandpapering your ear. Think I need to switch to the mens game just to give my poor ears a break.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 04, 2019, 09:35:46 PM
Well RHIT gets in the win column tonight with a 66-61 win over St. Mary of the Woods despite 30 TO's on the evening.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 04, 2019, 09:40:33 PM
52 3 pointers to 8 for RHIT and still win. My daughter had only 3 pts she told me going into the game don't expect me to score my job is to keep things as calm as I can and play shutdown defense. She had 5 assists and if we made some bunnies would have had 10.   She played the last 30 minutes without a break.  For those 8 girls to be able to weather the storm and prove to themselves yea we are the youngest team in America but other teams don't care and you k ow what we don't care either.  I think you will see even more come Saturday
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on December 05, 2019, 12:16:23 AM
RHIT did very well avoiding foul trouble, with only 12 total and no individual over 3. And they were able to control the tempo, the game having maybe a slightly above average number of possessions, but not what St Mary of the Woods is accustomed to.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 05, 2019, 02:01:27 AM
I talked to a coach after the game because I wanted to know that when the girls didn't attack when they had numbers was that by design or were they being timid.  It was the plan to control pace of game. Unless it was clear cut to the basket slow it down and get it back out.  I didnt agree all the time but that's why I'm the fan.  Coach knows what's he is doing. I'm guessing for st Mary it might get tougher as other coaches might follow RHIT game plan
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 05, 2019, 07:08:25 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 05, 2019, 02:01:27 AM
I talked to a coach after the game because I wanted to know that when the girls didn't attack when they had numbers was that by design or were they being timid.  It was the plan to control pace of game. Unless it was clear cut to the basket slow it down and get it back out.  I didnt agree all the time but that's why I'm the fan.  Coach knows what's he is doing. I'm guessing for st Mary it might get tougher as other coaches might follow RHIT game plan

I wouldn't count on it - all I see these days are teams taking wild, early (in the shot clock) shots and not even bothering to try to control the game's tempo. Ask any "system" coach and I'll bet they would, to a person, tell you that the teams they fear the most are the ones that are disciplined enough to not allow the "System" to control the tempo. If you control the tempo, you destroy the System. Too bad the RHIT/North Central game from 2016 isn't archived anywhere. They were a LOT better than this SMWC team and RHIT literally put on a clinic on how to destroy the System. Now, having said that, it would be pretty interesting indeed to see a very talented and well-coached team like IWU run the System. Most of the teams I've ever seen run the System were just OK in the talent department.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 05, 2019, 12:15:07 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on December 05, 2019, 07:08:25 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 05, 2019, 02:01:27 AM
I talked to a coach after the game because I wanted to know that when the girls didn't attack when they had numbers was that by design or were they being timid.  It was the plan to control pace of game. Unless it was clear cut to the basket slow it down and get it back out.  I didnt agree all the time but that's why I'm the fan.  Coach knows what's he is doing. I'm guessing for st Mary it might get tougher as other coaches might follow RHIT game plan

I wouldn't count on it - all I see these days are teams taking wild, early (in the shot clock) shots and not even bothering to try to control the game's tempo. Ask any "system" coach and I'll bet they would, to a person, tell you that the teams they fear the most are the ones that are disciplined enough to not allow the "System" to control the tempo. If you control the tempo, you destroy the System. Too bad the RHIT/North Central game from 2016 isn't archived anywhere. They were a LOT better than this SMWC team and RHIT literally put on a clinic on how to destroy the System. Now, having said that, it would be pretty interesting indeed to see a very talented and well-coached team like IWU run the System. Most of the teams I've ever seen run the System were just OK in the talent department.
St Norbert men are pretty successful against Grinnell. They can consistently hold them under 100 points.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 05, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Just a cool note from game yesterday   My daughter told me during the game the girl she was guarding who was one of there top 3 Pointer shooters who went 1 for 10 in the game.  Her teammate said why are you not shooting. She replied and looked at Kahlan said how the hell can i shoot she's fricking 6 ft tall and has her hand in my face all the time. 

Kahlan said it was awsome to hear took a lot pride in that. Only thing better is when a coach yells will someone please get the shooter
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 05, 2019, 01:40:49 PM
Also a shout out to both schools student bodies.  Attendance for the game 650
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 05, 2019, 01:42:23 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 05, 2019, 12:15:07 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on December 05, 2019, 07:08:25 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 05, 2019, 02:01:27 AM
I talked to a coach after the game because I wanted to know that when the girls didn't attack when they had numbers was that by design or were they being timid.  It was the plan to control pace of game. Unless it was clear cut to the basket slow it down and get it back out.  I didnt agree all the time but that's why I'm the fan.  Coach knows what's he is doing. I'm guessing for st Mary it might get tougher as other coaches might follow RHIT game plan

I wouldn't count on it - all I see these days are teams taking wild, early (in the shot clock) shots and not even bothering to try to control the game's tempo. Ask any "system" coach and I'll bet they would, to a person, tell you that the teams they fear the most are the ones that are disciplined enough to not allow the "System" to control the tempo. If you control the tempo, you destroy the System. Too bad the RHIT/North Central game from 2016 isn't archived anywhere. They were a LOT better than this SMWC team and RHIT literally put on a clinic on how to destroy the System. Now, having said that, it would be pretty interesting indeed to see a very talented and well-coached team like IWU run the System. Most of the teams I've ever seen run the System were just OK in the talent department.
St Norbert men are pretty successful against Grinnell. They can consistently hold them under 100 points.

I'll be Captain Obvious here.

Whether it is running the 'system' or playing against it, it comes down to talent to win with or defeat it. St. Norbert breaks and basically go's 4 corners to eliminate trapping opportunities and slow the game. That takes extra ballhandlers and not every team has those. I went and watched the Greenville men when they came to play Transy in their season opener a few years ago and Transy had finishers at the rim and attacked, they turned it in a layup/dunk drill and routed Greenville 130-98. There is more than one way to beat it, but it still takes the talent to do it. 

I say this and it is in no way meant to be a dig at RHIT, but St. Mary-Wood is not very talented or good at running the 'system'. I seen them play in Midway and they were not very good at pressing or getting their 3's. Midway beat them fairly easily 89-67. Players make offensive and defensive systems work, no systems work without the talent to carry them out. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 05, 2019, 11:13:32 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 05, 2019, 01:42:23 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 05, 2019, 12:15:07 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on December 05, 2019, 07:08:25 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 05, 2019, 02:01:27 AM
I talked to a coach after the game because I wanted to know that when the girls didn't attack when they had numbers was that by design or were they being timid.  It was the plan to control pace of game. Unless it was clear cut to the basket slow it down and get it back out.  I didnt agree all the time but that's why I'm the fan.  Coach knows what's he is doing. I'm guessing for st Mary it might get tougher as other coaches might follow RHIT game plan

I wouldn't count on it - all I see these days are teams taking wild, early (in the shot clock) shots and not even bothering to try to control the game's tempo. Ask any "system" coach and I'll bet they would, to a person, tell you that the teams they fear the most are the ones that are disciplined enough to not allow the "System" to control the tempo. If you control the tempo, you destroy the System. Too bad the RHIT/North Central game from 2016 isn't archived anywhere. They were a LOT better than this SMWC team and RHIT literally put on a clinic on how to destroy the System. Now, having said that, it would be pretty interesting indeed to see a very talented and well-coached team like IWU run the System. Most of the teams I've ever seen run the System were just OK in the talent department.
St Norbert men are pretty successful against Grinnell. They can consistently hold them under 100 points.

I'll be Captain Obvious here.

Whether it is running the 'system' or playing against it, it comes down to talent to win with or defeat it. St. Norbert breaks and basically go's 4 corners to eliminate trapping opportunities and slow the game. That takes extra ballhandlers and not every team has those. I went and watched the Greenville men when they came to play Transy in their season opener a few years ago and Transy had finishers at the rim and attacked, they turned it in a layup/dunk drill and routed Greenville 130-98. There is more than one way to beat it, but it still takes the talent to do it. 

I say this and it is in no way meant to be a dig at RHIT, but St. Mary-Wood is not very talented or good at running the 'system'. I seen them play in Midway and they were not very good at pressing or getting their 3's. Midway beat them fairly easily 89-67. Players make offensive and defensive systems work, no systems work without the talent to carry them out.

I do not disagree with anything you said- but the 61 points RHIT allowed will be the lowest total all season for SMWC. - and all but three of their ten opponents are NAIA schools with scholarships, to some degree. RHIT held the 2016-17 North Central team to 49 points, the lowest total of their "system" years by far and their lowest scoring output that season by 16 points. THAT team was 14-12 overall and 8-8 in the CCIW, with a win over IL. Wesleyan on the road at the Shirk Center. Whether a Grinnell System team has talent or not, it is vulnerable to an opponent that is disciplined enough to spread the floor, be patient, and control the tempo of the game.
RHIT is facing an uphill climb this season due to their numbers and youth, but they looked awfully good defensively for longer stretches and held SMWC scoreless for almost 7 minutes in the 2nd half. BY the end of the season (assuming 8-9 healthy bodies), they will be a team nobody wants to have to play, win or lose.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Roundball999 on December 06, 2019, 06:18:40 AM
I also remember Hope going to North Central during the system years, maybe around '13-'14, and destroying them 126-56.  Hope doesn't play the system, or typically play anyone that employs the system, but decided to run with them rather than slow it down.  The result was all about talent disparity and also coaching.  I don't think you have to slow it down against a system team if you are coached well.  You can run and still have discipline.  But having more talent helps :)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 06, 2019, 07:20:34 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on December 06, 2019, 06:18:40 AM
I also remember Hope going to North Central during the system years, maybe around '13-'14, and destroying them 126-56.  Hope doesn't play the system, or typically play anyone that employs the system, but decided to run with them rather than slow it down.  The result was all about talent disparity and also coaching.  I don't think you have to slow it down against a system team if you are coached well.  You can run and still have discipline.  But having more talent helps :)

Agreed - but there is a large disparity between a typical Hope team and an RHIT team talent-wise.

RHIT won't ever overwhelm you with talent - when they win they have a handful of good (not great) athletes whom are also extremely tough-minded kids that have to depend on game-planning and defense to beat great (Hope) or unusual (System) teams. I've only seen Hope once, when they overcame RHIT by 3 at home a couple years ago - and they strike me as a team that takes advantage of transition when it's there, but are fairly disciplined in their shot-selection. The danger of playing a System team is forgetting whom you are for 40 minutes, running and playing at a pace you aren't accustomed to, and taking the kind of quick shots the System depends on opponents taking - that's where the coaching part kicks in.

My point is, Hope has the talent to beat anyone, by playing any way Coach Morehouse decides is best for his team. There is only one way for RHIT (or any other modestly-talented team) to do it.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Roundball999 on December 06, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on December 06, 2019, 07:20:34 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on December 06, 2019, 06:18:40 AM
I also remember Hope going to North Central during the system years, maybe around '13-'14, and destroying them 126-56.  Hope doesn't play the system, or typically play anyone that employs the system, but decided to run with them rather than slow it down.  The result was all about talent disparity and also coaching.  I don't think you have to slow it down against a system team if you are coached well.  You can run and still have discipline.  But having more talent helps :)

Agreed - but there is a large disparity between a typical Hope team and an RHIT team talent-wise.

RHIT won't ever overwhelm you with talent - when they win they have a handful of good (not great) athletes whom are also extremely tough-minded kids that have to depend on game-planning and defense to beat great (Hope) or unusual (System) teams. I've only seen Hope once, when they overcame RHIT by 3 at home a couple years ago - and they strike me as a team that takes advantage of transition when it's there, but are fairly disciplined in their shot-selection. The danger of playing a System team is forgetting whom you are for 40 minutes, running and playing at a pace you aren't accustomed to, and taking the kind of quick shots the System depends on opponents taking - that's where the coaching part kicks in.

My point is, Hope has the talent to beat anyone, by playing any way Coach Morehouse decides is best for his team. There is only one way for RHIT (or any other modestly-talented team) to do it.

Understood and agreed.  Hope is fortunate to have incredible community support (leads D3 in attendance every year) and a great facility, which surely helps get the talent.  Hope also has great academics but as an engineer myself, I understand that a somewhat focused academic program in a rigorous field like RHIT is going to greatly narrow the pool of potential athletes.  The toughness and discipline you mention was certainly on display in that game at Hope.

Even though he's well regarded, I sometimes think Coach Morehouse doesn't get quite the credit he deserves.  He gets talent but he also does a great job maximizing that talent IMO and his defensive scheme is magnificent I think.  Takes a couple years for the kids to learn it but it is the key to the team.  He's right up there at the top with Coach Gromacki from Amherst in career winning % and I think he's earned that.

Question: do you think when teams are essentially equally talented and equally well coached, the system team usually wins?  That would sort of imply the system is a superior way to play which I don't really buy.  I get the surprise/panic factor.  I've always felt that the system may somewhat improve your odds of beating a team with similar or inferior talent/coaching but would reduce your chances of beating a superior team.  Pure speculation on my part, but if there's anything to it that would mean the system style trends toward mediocrity.  I realize this is an old debate on these boards :)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 10:53:31 AM
Here is the simple answer to your question iif it was what worked best every top team in men's basketball in D1 would run it

Engin will have one difference of opinion with you. The 7 freshman are very athletic and and strong for their age.  Also in shape conditioning was not a problem whatsoever in the game vs st Mary with only haveing 8 players.  I only saw it where you could see they were worn down was IWU game

I know Baldini commented Sait Mary not very good I wouldn't argue that but I would say how many teams on d3 could play all freshman and one senoir play against a style of basketball they have never seen.  Have the composure to stick to the coaching staffs instructions even when they were down 10 and not get sucked in  you all know I am biased but I think I have shown I'm pretty straightforward.  That win was big for RHIT.  It showed the players they can win.   St Mary brought their best game.  The players were posting before the game how they were going to beat rose. So there will be a lot of teams trying to get payback. Will see how many end up disappointed like saint mary
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 11:06:02 AM
Grizz

What did you think of franklins win over Anderson I watched the game. I think that was considered a upset
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 06, 2019, 06:09:54 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 11:06:02 AM
Grizz

What did you think of franklins win over Anderson I watched the game. I think that was considered a upset
Franklin didn't play Anderson, they played Hanover and lost. Did you mean Defiance?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 06:41:24 PM
Getting my teams mixed up your correct was thinking of defiance
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2019, 07:29:31 PM
In the first 15 years of the HCAC women's bb board - 9 pages of posts.

In the 4 months since Jester1390 showed up - 9 pages of posts!

Recruiting Kahlan Jester may have been the best PR move RHIT ever made! ;D  Hopefully it will work out just as well from a bb standpoint as well! ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 07:31:17 PM
Lol yepper hopefully 4 years will be at defiance game tomorrow so will get another page up
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 06, 2019, 07:47:25 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 06:41:24 PM
Getting my teams mixed up your correct was thinking of defiance

Defiance is not bad at all - they played RHIT very tough last year and have some players that could well give the Engineers some trouble - especially their Freshmen. RHIT SHOULD win this game but Defiance does have players and are well-coached.

Anderson is an enigma. They have some really nice talent and appear to be well-coached as well - but just really struggle to win games.

Defiance is talented enough to finish anywhere from 3rd-5th in the HCAC this season, and the fact that Anderson played them that tough at home and basically lost on a last-possession shot - tells me that this might be the year Anderson starts to put it together and climb out of the cellar - because Defiance is always tough at home.

RHIT ought to win tomorrow, but will have to play well to do so.

Grizz, Franklin had some good, young players last season and looks to have kept them all in the fold over the off-season, and picked up a few new ones that could help. I'd expect Franklin to finish somewhere in the top-half of the league and would not be surprised at all to see them pick up a big win over Transy or Hanover, likely at home.

Bluffton is much improved and might give everyone trouble, especially at home, where they have only lost a handful of games over the last 5 years or so.

Everyone scares me for the Engineers this year. They just turn it over (often unprompted) way too much and will get literally everyone's best effort - never a good combination. They have the potential to finish anywhere from 1st-10th.

My sleeper pick for a high conference finish is Bluffton.

Manchester is better, but hard to tell how much. Very well-coached.

Earlham and MSJ might struggle against everyone.

I think it's a two-horse race between Hanover and Transy with a lot of potential for upset(s) in the conference tournament and a real dark-horse emerging and snagging the league's automatic NCAA Tournament bid.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Tomorrows schedule of games.

Earlham @ Mt. St. Joseph
Transylvania @ Anderson
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman
Bluffton @ Franklin
Manchester @ Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 06, 2019, 08:33:45 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on December 06, 2019, 07:47:25 PM
Grizz, Franklin had some good, young players last season and looks to have kept them all in the fold over the off-season, and picked up a few new ones that could help. I'd expect Franklin to finish somewhere in the top-half of the league and would not be surprised at all to see them pick up a big win over Transy or Hanover, likely at home.
It won't be Hanover at home since that was the opener. They kept it within reach most of the game but just couldn't get closer than a couple possessions. Far too many misses from close range. Hit some of those and they might have had a chance. Last year the Panthers won by 22 and 25 so it was much closer this year.

I think it's Transy's to lose this year. Hanover will end up a couple games behind them, Rose might struggle early but should make the conference tournament and be a tough out by then. Maybe someone steps up from the middle of the conference and becomes a solid 4th team. Last year there was a 5 game gap between 3rd place Hanover and 4th place MSJ at 9-9... but only 4 games separated 4th through 9th.

Quote from: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Tomorrows schedule of games.

Earlham @ Mt. St. Joseph
Transylvania @ Anderson
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman
Bluffton @ Franklin
Manchester @ Hanover
I'll take MSJ in a tight game, Transy will cruise, Rose gets a winning streak going, Bluffton in the best matchup of the day, and Hanover with a comfortable win.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 06, 2019, 08:33:45 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on December 06, 2019, 07:47:25 PM
Grizz, Franklin had some good, young players last season and looks to have kept them all in the fold over the off-season, and picked up a few new ones that could help. I'd expect Franklin to finish somewhere in the top-half of the league and would not be surprised at all to see them pick up a big win over Transy or Hanover, likely at home.
It won't be Hanover at home since that was the opener. They kept it within reach most of the game but just couldn't get closer than a couple possessions. Far too many misses from close range. Hit some of those and they might have had a chance. Last year the Panthers won by 22 and 25 so it was much closer this year.

I think it's Transy's to lose this year. Hanover will end up a couple games behind them, Rose might struggle early but should make the conference tournament and be a tough out by then. Maybe someone steps up from the middle of the conference and becomes a solid 4th team. Last year there was a 5 game gap between 3rd place Hanover and 4th place MSJ at 9-9... but only 4 games separated 4th through 9th.

Quote from: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Tomorrows schedule of games.

Earlham @ Mt. St. Joseph
Transylvania @ Anderson
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman
Bluffton @ Franklin
Manchester @ Hanover
I'll take MSJ in a tight game, Transy will cruise, Rose gets a winning streak going, Bluffton in the best matchup of the day, and Hanover with a comfortable win.

Our little mini pickems right here, I like it.

I'll take Earlham, Transylvania, Defiance, Franklin and Hanover. 

Come on Enginerd, Jester and anyone else we need your picks. :)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 09:43:30 PM
Ok please remember lol these are my predictions not my daughters so any comments should be directed at me lol


I'll take earl ham

Trany

My upset special Franklin

Hanover and finally defiance  errrrrr I mean RHIT yes defiantly RHIT



Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 06, 2019, 10:28:59 PM
Earlham
I'll go off the rails and pick Anderson for my upset special.
RHIT - however I AM concerned about this match-up
Bluffton
Hanover (Although I think Manchester will pull off one big upset this year)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 07, 2019, 09:26:57 AM
Hanover is the unanimous pick, watch that be the upset. ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 07, 2019, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 07, 2019, 09:26:57 AM
Hanover is the unanimous pick, watch that be the upset. ;D

Manchester WILL get somebody this year - but I think it will be at their place.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 07, 2019, 02:42:53 PM
Well besides berea game that is the worse I have seen the team play. 2-12 from free throw.  They keep giving up baskets on last shots before end of quarter on 20 quarters now they have given up a basket in 17.  I couldn't believe how many ugly heaves went in but that's part of ball

Personal note I know people are consumed by offense but I'm going to give it up to my kid.  Held there leading scorer to 1 point and that was on a bs foul call.  Was never expecting them to win conference but this was a winnable game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 07, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
Todays results.

Earlham 60 Mt. St. Joseph 57
Transylvania 69 Anderson 56
Defiance 53 Rose-Hulman 43
Franklin 81 Bluffton 53
Hanover 72 Manchester 65
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 07, 2019, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 07, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
Todays results.

Earlham 60 Mt. St. Joseph 57
Transylvania 69 Anderson 56
Defiance 53 Rose-Hulman 43
Franklin 81 Bluffton 53
Hanover 72 Manchester 65

1 and 2 will almost certainly wind up being Hanover and Transy - but I'm going to predict that 3-8 are going to be an absolute train-wreck - with the final 2-3, or even 4 spots in the HCAC Tournament not wrapped-up until the last weekend, or two. I'm concerned RHIT might miss it's first conference tourney in 11 years.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 08, 2019, 05:44:07 AM
So waiting for plane back to Minneapolis. Thought I would post a couple of thoughts after rewatching the game online. 

Engine I don't think there needs to be panic yet.  The main thing is the defense is pretty good as a whole even though I'm not thrilled all the times with some of our perimeter defense to far off the shooter. Even though I believe it comes more of a issue as the team gets tired.  They again missed 8 bunnies or high percentage shots.   They gave up 5 pts in last 45 seconds of first half to get behind including the last sec shot which was unreal my daughter actually blocked the shot from behind and she told me after it probably wouldn't have gone on if she hadn't redirected it   They were 2-12 from free throw line.  They were repeatedly hammered inside and no whistles

Most important swing they got it back to 6 and this hurts personally but my daughter had a drive and she would tell you she needs to make that shot. Then the senior right after has a 3 rim out. Those go in  whole different pressure on end of game.  I fully understand you can do the what if for everyone

I just want to point out that it was a game that easily could have gone the other way.  Have to give credit to defiance also. The interior defense made it hard on the posts.  Their one freshman off the bench killed them.

Positives turnovers were down. Negative defiance out rebounded them
And that shouldn't have happened.  Lastly. I know the girls are tired and worn out a lot of games in the last 2 weeks against really good teams.  They play hard and don't take it easy.  The week off comes at a good time for their bodies.  I look forward to visiting Bluffton on Saturday.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 10, 2019, 06:45:31 PM
Well the youngest team in america is ranked by Massey 248th.  Time to move up a few spots Saturday 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 10, 2019, 07:15:47 PM
The full Massey list for the HCAC.

Transylvania  54
Bluffton  152
Franklin  168
Hanover  177
Rose-Hulman  248
Defiance  251
Earlham  298
Anderson  311
Manchester  316
Mt. St. Joseph  338

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 11, 2019, 07:20:40 PM
Next games on the schedule for the HCAC women will be Saturday.

Manchester @ Transylvania
Hanover @ Defiance
Rose-Hulman @ Bluffton
Anderson @ Mt. St. Joseph
Earlham @ Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 11, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
I will go with

Trany
Anderson
Going to go with defiance don't know if Hanover has a defensive specialist that can hold their leading scorer to 1 point. Key is stopping freshman off the bench killing them
My heart is with my daughter and I will be at the game but till the girls can show they can put 4 quarters together I will pick Bluffton
Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 11, 2019, 08:14:31 PM
Transy
Defiance (only because they are at home). I think Defiance is a #4 or #5 seed by the end of the season.
Bluffton
Anderson
Franklin

Jester - Have you seen the NCAA official stats? Worrying.

RHIT is:
#427 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Final Points"
#422 our of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Scoring Offense"
#408 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Scoring Margin" - which is -20
#387 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Free Throw Percentage" at 57%
#431 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "3-Point FG Percentage"
#413 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Turnover Margin"
#413 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Free Throws Made"
and...most tellingly...#404 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Assists"

Hopefully they'll keep their chins up and keep learning and having fun - but I hope they start to put it together soon or they will dig a hole they cannot climb out of - HCAC-Tournament-wise.

Bluffton will be a huge test at their place this weekend.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 11, 2019, 08:19:10 PM
I will go,

Transy
Hanover
Bluffton
Mt. St. Joseph
Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 11, 2019, 09:24:11 PM
On the other side of the spectrum I would guess there rebounding totals are good block shots.  Not sure on pts per game as they have played top teams but I'm guessing shooting average against them would be complementary to them
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 12, 2019, 03:19:31 AM
Baldini 5-0
Jester 4-1
FCGG 2-3
Enginerd 2-3

Transy big, Hanover but by single digits, Bluffton, Anderson, Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 12, 2019, 10:13:51 AM
      
Massey predictions for this weekend. Not sure what the mean means lol.


                 Rose-Hulman                Bluffton
Most Likely   50                       55
Median           51                        55
Mean          51.13                   54.75
Win Probability   39%                      61%   

                    Manchester                Transylvania  Home team
Most Likely   53                             79
Median           53                             79
Mean        53.00                          79.55
Win Probability   3%                           97%   
   
                     Hanover               Defiance  Home Team
Most Likely   66                      63
Median           66                      64
Mean        66.64                    64.11
Win Probability   58%                    42%   

                   Anderson                 Mt St Joseph Home Team
Most Likely   53                          55
Median           54                          54
Mean         53.81                       54.49
Win Probability   48%                     52%   

   
                      Earlham              Franklin      Home team              
Most Likely   60                      71
Median           60                      72
Mean         60.56                    72.29
Win Probability   18%                 83%

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: scottiedawg on December 12, 2019, 04:09:19 PM
Mean is probably the average predicted score amongst all the simulations.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 13, 2019, 09:36:23 AM
Engine  another reason  i dont think we have to panic yet.
  The strength of schedule rating by Massey has them 64th in the country.  That is much stronger then alot of teams in the top 25. Not trying to compare them to top teams but if you are playing top teams your numbers will suffer when your young.  I think the best thing for these girls is to stop listening about how great the class was before them. The certainly were great for Rhit but how they came in as freshman was different then this group. The sisters were very good from the start but they all had upper classman to help take pressure off and navigate the waters.  The light switch is going to go off at some point.  There is way to much athleticism on this team.

Igiehon has had double double already in 3 games this year and doing that in about 18 minutes a game. She will be in high double figures once she takes her time around basket and finishes.   Barlow for a 6'1 girl has some of the nicest touch for a 10 ft shot i have seen for a big. 
Webster has the quickness to get the basket  and score double figures.
Burham and Lewman are the toughest players on the team and both can rebound.  Lewman has scored in double figures and Burham certainly has the skill set also. 
Wilson can shoot from the outside and provide a spark like she did in the definance game.

The senior Woody is doing her part and scoring in double figures.  Lastly some kid name Jester.  If their was a all defensive team i think she would be on it.   She isnt flashy but at the end of the game whoever was her assignment is saying damn that girl is tough.  Jester should have made 10 points last game make your damn free throws. she has a game high 13 against Washington U.  She should score double figures every game with the minutes she is playing.  she should be a 10 5 5 player minimum every game.

Long winded point here is all these girls have the ability to get in double figures  and some have the ability to put 20 up on a hot night. They all can rebound. So when they do get it together they will be hard to stop you wont be able to say just take woody out of the game or another player.  Now if they lose by 30 tomorrow I will have a new hot take lol. Off to the airport to go to Bluffton
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 13, 2019, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 13, 2019, 09:36:23 AM
Engine  another reason  i dont think we have to panic yet.
  The strength of schedule rating by Massey has them 64th in the country.  That is much stronger then alot of teams in the top 25. Not trying to compare them to top teams but if you are playing top teams your numbers will suffer when your young.  I think the best thing for these girls is to stop listening about how great the class was before them. The certainly were great for Rhit but how they came in as freshman was different then this group. The sisters were very good from the start but they all had upper classman to help take pressure off and navigate the waters.  The light switch is going to go off at some point.  There is way to much athleticism on this team.

Igiehon has had double double already in 3 games this year and doing that in about 18 minutes a game. She will be in high double figures once she takes her time around basket and finishes.   Barlow for a 6'1 girl has some of the nicest touch for a 10 ft shot i have seen for a big. 
Webster has the quickness to get the basket  and score double figures.
Burham and Lewman are the toughest players on the team and both can rebound.  Lewman has scored in double figures and Burham certainly has the skill set also. 
Wilson can shoot from the outside and provide a spark like she did in the definance game.

The senior Woody is doing her part and scoring in double figures.  Lastly some kid name Jester.  If their was a all defensive team i think she would be on it.   She isnt flashy but at the end of the game whoever was her assignment is saying damn that girl is tough.  Jester should have made 10 points last game make your damn free throws. she has a game high 13 against Washington U.  She should score double figures every game with the minutes she is playing.  she should be a 10 5 5 player minimum every game.

Long winded point here is all these girls have the ability to get in double figures  and some have the ability to put 20 up on a hot night. They all can rebound. So when they do get it together they will be hard to stop you wont be able to say just take woody out of the game or another player.  Now if they lose by 30 tomorrow I will have a new hot take lol. Off to the airport to go to Bluffton

Their SOS is 64th RIGHT NOW. It will go down after they start playing the Defiance's, Earlham's, and MSJ's of the world. There's no other way they could open with Berea, WashU, IL. Wesleyan, and Chicago and only be 64th. They were likely in the Top 10 before they played St. Mary in the Woods and Defiance. It will continue to go down until they play Hanover and Transy, will bump up a bit after those games, and then right back down. RHIT had an insane non-conference slate last year with DePauw, WashU, Chicago, Oglethorpe, and Rhodes - 5 NCAA Tournament teams when you include Transy - including wins over #8 (at the time) DePauw, and the eventual #18 Transy - but because Baldwin-Wallace's CONFERENCE is stronger, and it was cheaper for the NCAA to send them East instead of RHIT anywhere, they stayed home.
SOS is a crutch for the NCAA / committee to lean on instead of making tough decisions. Wisconsin Lutheran, which went 27-2 last year, and won it's conference AQ, likely wouldn't have gotten an at-large bid last year if it hadn't, because the committee just couldn't see past their mediocre SOS because of their weak conference. No respect, despite regularly defeating or hanging tough with D-III heavyweights such as DePauw and WashU in the early season year-after-year. What did they do in the NCAA's this past year? Beat Illinois Wesleyan by eight before losing to Division I St. Thomas in the 2nd round.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 14, 2019, 08:08:57 PM
Took in the Transy doubleheader today. The Manchester women shot the ball very well in the first quarter to go toe to toe on the scoreboard, but when their shooting cooled they had no answer for Transylvania size advantage. Transy outscored Manchester 60-6 in the paint and out rebounded them 49-26. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 14, 2019, 08:29:33 PM
Another frustrating game. Down 12 get it even then mistake everything one their is momentum. Then down 18 get it back to nine. Bad day for the kid in foul trouble the whole game and for first time got in dog house in 4th quarter.  Again free throws killing.  Also not finishing when we get fouled. Difference in game. Bluffton had 8 and ones to our 2 and they missed both
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 14, 2019, 11:08:40 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 14, 2019, 08:29:33 PM
Another frustrating game. Down 12 get it even then mistake everything one their is momentum. Then down 18 get it back to nine. Bad day for the kid in foul trouble the whole game and for first time got in dog house in 4th quarter.  Again free throws killing.  Also not finishing when we get fouled. Difference in game. Bluffton had 8 and ones to our 2 and they missed both

They do look like they are making some strides Jester. With Manchester up next for RHIT, it should be a good matchup for them. Manchester may have some issues with RHIT's length.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2019, 01:46:02 AM
Baldini do you know the lottery numbers too?

Baldini 5-0    10-0
Jester 3-2      7-3
FCGG 4-1       6-4
Enginerd 3-2   5-5

Only 2 conference games left this year
12/18 Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
12/30 Earlham @ Transylvania
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2019, 02:10:07 AM
I think Rose's biggest problem is they end up In a hole early and just can't recover. 4 of 7 games they've not reached double digits after the 1st quarter and it's their worst point differential at -47.
In 28 quarters if you count each one individually they're 6-21-1. Their only win came when they won 2 quarters.


1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Final
Berea
9-25
12-17
8-20
1-9
30-71
Chicago
17-23
10-25
12-13
14-13
53-74
IL Wesleyan
11-23
8-19
9-21
6-5
34-68
WashU
8-6
12-18
14-25
13-18
47-67
SMWC
17-19
15-17
15-8
19-17
66-61
Defiance
9-13
15-16
8-10
11-14
43-53
Bluffton
8-17
18-14
10-14
15-15
51-60
Total
79-126
90-126
76-111
79-91
324-454
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 15, 2019, 12:00:56 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2019, 01:46:02 AM
Baldini do you know the lottery numbers too?

Baldini 5-0    10-0
Jester 3-2      7-3
FCGG 4-1       6-4
Enginerd 3-2   5-5

Only 2 conference games left this year
12/18 Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
12/30 Earlham @ Transylvania

LOL, can't help with lottery numbers. My knowledge is limited to things with zero monetary value. ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 16, 2019, 06:19:41 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2019, 01:46:02 AM
Baldini do you know the lottery numbers too?

Baldini 5-0    10-0
Jester 3-2      7-3
FCGG 4-1       6-4
Enginerd 3-2   5-5

Only 2 conference games left this year
12/18 Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
12/30 Earlham @ Transylvania

I will take RHIT and Transylvania, needed to get that in before the 18th comes and go's.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 16, 2019, 10:58:00 PM
In non-conference play tonight Defiance traveled to Hiram and took the lose 77-62. Defiance is now 0-6 in non-conference play, but 2-1 in conference.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 17, 2019, 01:55:31 AM
dittto for me trany and rhit .
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 17, 2019, 10:00:50 AM
I'll go Manchester and Transy.
Until they finally get over the hump it's hard to pick RHIT.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 06:20:06 AM
Well hopefully tonight will be the night on my way to Chicago and the couple hour drive to RHIT.  Don't know what will happen tonight. Daughter has been overwhelmed this week with classes. I have to say any athlete especially those at high academic institutions I have developed a major respect for. It would make their lives easier not to have to give time to sports and just concentrate on the unbelievable school load they get.  At Rhit I think it's even heavier as they do quarters. So you can't get behind at all you won't have time to make up the grade like you would in semesters
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 08:20:55 PM
Rose up 2 at half in what can only be described as one ugly ass game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 18, 2019, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 08:20:55 PM
Rose up 2 at half in what can only be described as one ugly ass game

It was a hard game to watch. Tough home lose for Rose-Holman with Manchester getting the win 53-49.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
Everyting is so damn mechanical there is absolutely no fluidity to anything they do offensively.  I don't want to be negative on other teams and players. I'll just say this might be the worse loss I have seen my daughter involved in
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2019, 09:38:57 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
Everyting is so damn mechanical there is absolutely no fluidity to anything they do offensively.  I don't want to be negative on other teams and players. I'll just say this might be the worse loss I have seen my daughter involved in

Are you saying a team full on engineering students is playing too mechanically?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 09:49:33 PM
Lol yes I am.  You can see when they play they are going ok here is point 1 now we need to go point 2 and then to point 3.   There is no free creativeness going on.  Again Look at turnovers at guard position.  I will say this I didn't think Nosa played very well and you look she has 16 and 11 I wish they would get her facing the basket instead of back to basket.   The girl is going to be an absolute monster  20 plus a game once she starts being more decisive and use better hands
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on December 18, 2019, 09:55:26 PM
Keep breathing, Jester1390.
I think we've all discovered that in D3, progress may include some backward steps along with forward ones.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 18, 2019, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 09:49:33 PM
Lol yes I am.  You can see when they play they are going ok here is point 1 now we need to go point 2 and then to point 3.   There is no free creativeness going on.  Again Look at turnovers at guard position.  I will say this I didn't think Nosa played very well and you look she has 16 and 11 I wish they would get her facing the basket instead of back to basket.   The girl is going to be an absolute monster  20 plus a game once she starts being more decisive and use better hands

Jester - I have watched RHIT play for 20 years - and they have had multiple coaches over that span - and I have witnessed what you describe in each of the 21 teams I have watched over the years. The kids are different and they see the world, and a basketball court differently in space, if that makes any sense.
I see a team that completely disintegrates/devolves offensively after the first pass. A LOT of standing around with their heels on the ground. They are beginning to look better defensively, though.
All I can tell you is that RHIT won 23, 24, 24, and 20 games each of the last four seasons running pretty much the same stuff - and I honestly believe they would have advanced to the 2nd weekend both years they made the NCAA tournament if the Dilworth girl hadn't gotten injured both years vs. Transy in the HCAC title game.
Interesting idea with Igiehon - I don't know how well she handles it and they could be afraid she'll just turn it over too much. She sure looks athletic over the internet, though. Your kid looks to be a great defender, especially with her length. They always recruit well, and by the time this group are juniors, they will be back in the thick of it.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 19, 2019, 12:15:32 AM
Transylvania is playing in a tournament in Santa Cruz and played Monmouth tonight. They were down 50-39 with under 5 minutes to play and for the most part had played awful all evening, yet found a way to battle back and get a basket with 8 seconds left to take a 53-52 lead. They would add 2 FT's with 1 second left to make the final 55-52, gutty comeback on a night that nothing seem to be going right.     
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 19, 2019, 04:01:45 AM
I had a couple of dads talking to me and they are frustrated by the lack of scoring their kids are achieving. They are blaming the offense I'm not ready to go there.  It's true that many of them come from a 5 or 4 out offensive system my daughter included.  But it comes down to this and it's on the girls. You can control your free throws and you can control your turnovers.  First 4 possessions of the game turnovers.  7 offensive fouls.      Another game looking at the stats where they pretty much won the numbers and dominated rebounding. They actually outshot them but the difference in free throw attempts was the difference

Ok and also can we get a referee crew where you might be blind but your hearing should work my kid got hit on the arm on 2 3 pointers I was in top row and everyone could hear it and no call but losing teams whine about refs but I'm the dad so I can

Daughter is made the deans list. Very proud of her on that and is coming home Friday for a week and then off to Nashville
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 19, 2019, 10:19:18 AM
Transylvania climbs one spot from 16 to 15 in this weeks D3Hoops poll, they remain the only HCAC team to receive any votes.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 19, 2019, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 19, 2019, 04:01:45 AM
I had a couple of dads talking to me and they are frustrated by the lack of scoring their kids are achieving. They are blaming the offense I'm not ready to go there.  It's true that many of them come from a 5 or 4 out offensive system my daughter included.  But it comes down to this and it's on the girls. You can control your free throws and you can control your turnovers.  First 4 possessions of the game turnovers.  7 offensive fouls.      Another game looking at the stats where they pretty much won the numbers and dominated rebounding. They actually outshot them but the difference in free throw attempts was the difference

Ok and also can we get a referee crew where you might be blind but your hearing should work my kid got hit on the arm on 2 3 pointers I was in top row and everyone could hear it and no call but losing teams whine about refs but I'm the dad so I can

Daughter is made the deans list. Very proud of her on that and is coming home Friday for a week and then off to Nashville

I can understand their frustration - they look like a team without any offense at all. Again, however, RHIT has won a lot of games over the last five season running essentially the same stuff. They've always run 4-out, a bit less 5-out maybe because they just have not had the athletes on the perimeter, and the same 3-out/ball-screen/high-low offense with very little variation - and they've won a lot of games. It really looks like they just want to play pick-up basketball - because they've had far less talent than this (with the same numbers-I'm thinking 2009-2011) and still always won 9-10 games.
I see a lot of turnovers because bad screens are being set in the 3-out/ball-screen offense OR the player with the ball is causing offensive fouls by not waiting on the ball-screen - THEN they take two dribbles and look for someone to pass to instead of attacking. Guards throw it all over the place and post players look to get rid of it as quickly as possible instead of being aggressive WHEN the ball gets thrown inside.
Young team - and very unique situation at RHIT because the academics are SUCH a slap-in-the-face for Freshmen students and a big transition from the level or work required at RHIT compared to high school. Having an entire team full of them has to be a huge challenge, especially without any upperclassmen. We barely had calculators-only the very basic ones available in the 1970's - imagine Rose back THEN! LoL

The problem is, nobody at Manchester, Transy, Hanover, etc will be feeling sorry for them anytime soon.

Defense looks better every time out but if they don't start committing to their offense so they can score some points, it's going to be a very long January and February. Hard to win a lot of games when you have to hold every opponent to 47 points of less to have a chance to win.
Congrats on the Dean's list! They give those out as though they were man-hole covers at RHIT. Unless you've attended or had a child attend the place, you just wouldn't understand what an accomplishment that is.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 19, 2019, 04:26:04 PM
Engine  its funny how you said it looks like they want to play pick up on offense. That is the complaint from some of the dads that they are not doing any pickup that every possession is a play and that sometimes they want there kids to be able to just hoop and be creative.   I read article about 5 years ago  about hockey and the decline in playmaking.  the article suggested that kids no longer  go to ice rinks or ponds and just play like they used too.  Now everything is ridged and training, Unlike when they were just out playing with their friends they would be creative and freelance on their moves. 

I cant speak for the rest of the players but i havent seen my kid so pissed off at a loss.  I dont think any of them are concerned that other teams  want to give it to them. They were not part of those teams so what that team accomplished good and bad  they cant identify with as they were not part of it.  I think it would be safe to say that if they had the stud like the one girl  on this squad they would be undefeated in conference or even if they had her sister running the point.   They just dont have that super stud yet. Nosa can defiantly be that but as a dad of a defensive player they have to realize its just not offense  that defines you as a player but your defense.  I dont know what is going to happen I just hope they keep getting better and win some games. 

You dont want it to get to the point where they lose so much and with all the pressure on them time wise for studies. They decide to stop playing because its not fun and its eating to much into their academic time.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 20, 2019, 10:31:07 AM
Transylvania keeps grinding and got another win last night against UC-San Cruz on their court. They move to 8-1 on the season, but they still seem to be struggling to put a complete game together. Starting to wonder if maybe this is just who they are, a hardnosed team that is going to grind it out game after game. Yet to see that dominate team from a season ago.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 24, 2019, 09:52:29 AM
As of Christmas Eve, the current Massey Rankings for the HCAC.

Transylvania  51
Hanover  160
Bluffton  166
Franklin  175
Manchester  278
Defiance  300
Anderson  304
Earlham  305
Rose-Hulman  306
Mt. St. Joseph  326
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 25, 2019, 06:29:54 PM
Well if my daughter can run the game the way I ran todays meal I see a upset this weekend in Nashville.  Much like Lindsey Whalen on the court I was a tour de force in the kitchen. Leading the team and dishing out assists.  Cooked for 14 people and working the clock flawlessly.  From making rib roast to shimp-pea risotto and beef strew. Twice bake potatoes and a family fav. Cheddar cheese hash brown potato's. A new corn casserole dish that had cream cheese in it and was a huge hit.  My wife's side love their family dip made out of veleveeta and hamburger and my side loves a cream cheese ketchup and tobasco with onion dip

Down the stretch closed out the game with bread pudding the best dam cheesecake which was apple crisp which we had for the first time when kahlan visited gustavus   My 29 year old boys comment was it's a party in his mouth. Lol which he quickly regretted saying out loud.  Then at the buzzer baked Alaska to win the game

Seriously hope everyone had a great Christmas and you got to spend it with the ones who mean the most to you.   Also to remember why we celebrate and give thanks to the lord

Maybe a minor miracle in Nashville is in store
Merry Christmas
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 28, 2019, 08:42:56 PM
Well in Nashville for RHIT tournament games starting tomorrow. Good news all girls came back to team I guess the last few years at least one player has quit after the break.  I have no specific reason but I think they will be in the game tomorrow.  I don't k ow anything about Washington-Lee except there record isn't great
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 29, 2019, 03:45:11 PM
Well. RHIT totally screwed by calls today.   Lose by 6. 25 free throws attempts to 2 for RHIT.  Was down. 11 in third quarter got game tied. And I am super biased here my kid on a breakaway to take lead get hammered in shoulder no call.  They had to more cheance with less then 2 min to take lead good shots just didn't go in.  Terribble turnover at end of game.  Another disastrous pg turnover total   If they get that cleaned up and get some calls   

Let me just put it his way. This team is staying in games with horrific turnover totals  non free throws.  Better enjoy it now because they are getting closer and closer to figuring it out
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 30, 2019, 02:14:51 AM
Franklin down 11 after 1 came back to win and finish 2-0 down in Florida.

One more day of non-conference games for the conference and then the next one will be in the NCAA tourney.

The good news for Rose is the brutal non-conference slate is almost over... the bad news is they've got one more beating from New Paltz first. Massey has them as 25 point underdogs. Hanover should be a bit closer, but then a 3 game road trip that they should have chances in all 3 to win.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2019, 02:25:13 AM
My kid is guarding their leading scorer averaging 19 pts a senior. She held the 2 Nd leading scorer for Washington to no points she got one bucket when kid was off floor.

Big test for her to prove what I have been saying she is a first team defender for the confrence
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
Down 12 at half was within 2 and then turnover city. Also 5 miss bunnies 19 turnovers first half.  Quick pat on the back to my kid. Their leading scorer at 19 a game has 0 at half.  See if she can keep it up with energy pace is up and down   Working her ass off on both ends
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2019, 07:44:53 PM
14 pt loss. Held them to 4 points in 3rd quarter. The tanks went dry.  Missed another 6 bunnies.  32 turnovers and still was in it in 4 th quarter.  It's simple they will win or lose depending on their turnovers another game if they are under 20 turnovers they win the game.  It's frustrating now because you can see if they would just take care of the dam ball they would be winning
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 31, 2019, 02:57:59 AM
Let's see if the new year changes the fortunes of some teams in the conference

Baldini 1-1    11-1
Jester 1-1      8-4
FCGG 2-0       8-4
Enginerd 0-0   5-5 (didn't see any picks, let me know if I missed them)


MSJ @ Manchester is Friday, everyone else plays Saturday
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 31, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
MSJ @ Manchester
Anderson @ Earlham
Transylvania @ Bluffton
Franklin @ Defiance
Hanover @ RHIT

I've got Manchester, Earlham, Transylvania, Franklin and Hanover.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 31, 2019, 01:46:43 PM
Manchester
Anderson
Trany
defiance
Rhit 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 03, 2020, 11:19:33 AM
Manchester
Earlham
Transy
Franklin
Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 03, 2020, 02:15:56 PM
Manchester
Earlham
Transy
Franklin
RHIT

RHIT has to get off the skids somewhere - especially if Nall is still out (she didn't dress last game - they are a DIFFERENT team without her).

Transy might run the table - 3 best places for them to potentially trip up at at Bluffton, RHIT, or especially Franklin.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 03, 2020, 07:38:24 PM
Manchester rolled MSJ tonight 56-30, MSJ's scoring by quarters was 6-6-12-6.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2020, 08:24:41 PM
Tomorrow will be my first game not in person I'm sure my kid will go off for 15 without me there lol.  If the can keep turnovers around 20 they will win
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 04, 2020, 05:13:22 PM
Attended my first game in a couple years. Hanover throttled the Engineers pretty good. All the kids played hard and cannot question heart and effort but it just felt odd - looked like they were just struggling.
Could be classes starting Monday. Every athlete that cares about academics has worries - but it's just different at RHIT and having so many Freshmen playing so many minutes is less than ideal. They are for sure taking their lumps this season but if they can all stay together I honestly believe the future is bright.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 04, 2020, 11:58:00 PM
Baldini 4-1    15-2
FCGG 4-1       12-5
Jester 3-2      11-6
Enginerd 3-2   8-7

Wednesday
Bluffton @ Defiance 6:00 PM
Franklin @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Mount St. Joseph @ Hanover 7:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham 7:30 PM
Manchester @ Anderson 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2020, 12:10:02 AM
If Rose is going to get it together, now is when they have to do it. 3 straight road games against the other teams in the bottom 4 in the conference. Win at least 2 of those and they're still in the hunt with some momentum and confidence.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 05, 2020, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 04, 2020, 11:58:00 PM
Baldini 4-1    15-2
FCGG 4-1       12-5
Jester 3-2      11-6
Enginerd 3-2   8-7

Wednesday
Bluffton @ Defiance 6:00 PM
Franklin @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Mount St. Joseph @ Hanover 7:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham 7:30 PM
Manchester @ Anderson 7:30 PM

I will take Bluffton, Transylvania, Hanover, RHIT and Anderson.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 08, 2020, 01:50:42 AM
on my way to Cincinnati   

defiance
trany
hanover
rose
manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 08, 2020, 01:56:37 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 08, 2020, 01:50:42 AM
on my way to Cincinnati   
A bit early... Rose doesn't head to MSJ until Saturday. Tonight is in Richmond.

Bluffton, Transy, Hanover, Earlham, Anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 08, 2020, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 08, 2020, 01:56:37 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 08, 2020, 01:50:42 AM
on my way to Cincinnati   
A bit early... Rose doesn't head to MSJ until Saturday. Tonight is in Richmond.

Bluffton, Transy, Hanover, Earlham, Anderson

Just guessing but it might be a cheaper flight from Minnesota to Cincinnati compared to Indianapolis.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 08, 2020, 06:18:45 PM
There about the same. I'm going to the game on Saturday as well so it made more sense to co to Cincy

Just pulled up to gym.  I can fly to Chicago round trip for 107
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 08, 2020, 08:47:01 PM
Watched the 1st half of the RHIT and Earlham game and it is just mind boggling that a team can turnover the ball as often as they do. They are averaging almost a turnover a minute. Just hard to watch.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 08, 2020, 09:14:59 PM
They will not win a game this year. For the smartest girls on the floor their basketball iq is minus 100

I have a theory almost. All these girls were the main players on their teams and were used to always getting the ball and not being asked to pass
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 09, 2020, 06:35:16 AM
Baldini 2-3    17-5
FCGG 3-2       15-7
Jester 4-1      15-7
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Defiance (3-2) @ Transylvania (5-0) 1:00 PM
Franklin (3-2) @ Anderson (1-4) 1:00 PM
Manchester (3-2) @ Earlham (2-3) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-5) @ Mount St. Joseph (1-4) 2:00 PM
Bluffton (2-3) @ Hanover (5-0) 4:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 09, 2020, 06:52:52 AM
Having not seen them in action I can't comment on RHIT troubles, but something needs to happen. -20 turnover differential leading to -21 in FGA. Ouch. Maybe they need to start carrying around basketballs all day.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 10, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
Saturday
Defiance (3-2) @ Transylvania (5-0) 1:00 PM
Franklin (3-2) @ Anderson (1-4) 1:00 PM
Manchester (3-2) @ Earlham (2-3) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-5) @ Mount St. Joseph (1-4) 2:00 PM
Bluffton (2-3) @ Hanover (5-0) 4:00 PM

I am going to give RHIT one last chance this weekend, if they can't get it done in this spot there may well be no hope for them. I've got Transylvania, Franklin, Manchester, RHIT and Hanover.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 10, 2020, 07:13:47 PM
Transy in a romp
Franklin
Manchester (an Earlham win wouldn't shock me though)
MSJ (Rose must win to have any conference tournament hope)
Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 11, 2020, 11:30:14 AM
Ok here in lovely Cincinnati want to thank the good people for Paying for my trip in the poker room.
My daughter is really banged up led the team in assists and rebounds last game bought got a black eye and worse I think she has a hip flexor. She is going to try to play through it

With that  here you go
Rose
Trany
Franklin
Manchester
Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 11, 2020, 03:48:46 PM
Getting a chance to watch some of the Rose game... here's my thoughts.
For a team with plenty of taller players, Rose does not attack the basket nearly enough. A lot of passing around the perimeter and settling for long jump shots. Even when the ball gets down in the post they often end up turning away from the basket and settling for an 8 footer. Be aggressive. Get some layups. Draw some fouls. Drive to the basket and kick it out for an open shot.
Free throw shooting needs work. Need all the point they can get, can't shoot this poorly from the line.
Passing needs to be better. Too many one handed passes off the dribble that are either inaccurate or not crisp enough.
Defensively not too bad. They don't give up easy baskets inside. Maybe a few too many fouls but otherwise good job. They need to take some of that aggressiveness on defense down to the other end of the court.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 11, 2020, 03:53:48 PM
Well st joe is celebrating 50 years of basketball and it's very appropriate. As our offense would fit in very nicely 50 years ago.  Don't know what to say we are just anemic offensively.  They show areas where you go how the hell can they be this bad. Held at joe to 9 shot clock violations.  But they just bomb 3.  We I'm betting took 5 or 6 in the game.   

Personal kid was in foul trouble can tell hip was bugging her. She showed what she can do offensively if they allow her to be in the flow of the offense but none of it matters they wouldn't beat 8 th grade teams scoring 27 pts.  Be truthful it's damn embarrassing.    I look at gustavus is doing and I have to be straight up I imagine the difference in season she would be having there.  In the end it's about her career but as far as basketball just beyond disappointing. These girls are way to athletic to be playjng g this bad.   They are getting worse. They played much better when playing top 25 teams
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 12, 2020, 09:56:39 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 11, 2020, 03:53:48 PM
Well st joe is celebrating 50 years of basketball and it's very appropriate. As our offense would fit in very nicely 50 years ago.  Don't know what to say we are just anemic offensively.  They show areas where you go how the hell can they be this bad. Held at joe to 9 shot clock violations.  But they just bomb 3.  We I'm betting took 5 or 6 in the game.   

Personal kid was in foul trouble can tell hip was bugging her. She showed what she can do offensively if they allow her to be in the flow of the offense but none of it matters they wouldn't beat 8 th grade teams scoring 27 pts.  Be truthful it's damn embarrassing.    I look at gustavus is doing and I have to be straight up I imagine the difference in season she would be having there.  In the end it's about her career but as far as basketball just beyond disappointing. These girls are way to athletic to be playjng g this bad.   They are getting worse. They played much better when playing top 25 teams

Jester, they all look tired and run-down. Like they are all playing sick or injured. I don't know. They've had FAR less talent than this group and won 9-10 games and been a threat to advance in the HCAC tourney and, in fact, the 2011-12 team won 8 regular season games (8-17 heading into the tourney) and won a #3 vs. #6 game to advance to the HCAC semifinals - which I believe is the only time that has ever happened. That team was probably 75% freshmen as well, I recall. That was around the time my son was in school, so I saw some games in that era, and they were definitely less talented than this group.
I still believe that this is a group with immense potential but they must be missing some vital pieces - to guess which ones is beyond by basketball knowledge - probably the perimeter though.
They always recruit extremely well given the considerable disadvantages, and IF they can keep this group together (do you think they'll all return next year?), the future is bright. I really do believe that.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 12, 2020, 04:12:14 PM
I would agree on perimeter players except coach doesn't isnold school and is not into launching a ton of 3s. My kid but benched a half against Hanover because she shot a 3 early in shot clock. Not saying wrong or right but he wants to work clock. He is a post coach. I thought they would use my kid more from 3pt.  But she got off to such a horrible start.   I did get a chance to talk to her yesterday after game and she felt like she has rediscovered her stroke.  I just told her the other guards were 2-27 in the game and she was 2-5 for in the 20 min she was in due to foul trouble and she would tell t out she should have been 4-5 missed a right hand drive and a reverse    It's not a knock on the other girls I'm just trying to get across it's ok to shoot and to miss.  I told her it's not working with you dishing all the time the teams needs you to realize your one of the best shooters on the team and you need to get more attempts

St joe first 11 baskets were 3 pointers I think they maybe only had 6 pts in paint.  I am going to knock some players without naming them. There is a couple of players who constantly have girls shoot 3s that they are guarding.  I don't know if it's due to their height or they just play off to far.  I'm spoiled because my kids height really bothers outside shooters so she rarely gives any up

She gave up one yesterday and the girl was 40 ft.  She was on fire made the first 5 shots of the game all 3s.    I'll be at the game wendsday so hopefully we have a game where we have some people go off 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 13, 2020, 08:21:38 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 12, 2020, 04:12:14 PM
I would agree on perimeter players except coach doesn't isnold school and is not into launching a ton of 3s. My kid but benched a half against Hanover because she shot a 3 early in shot clock. Not saying wrong or right but he wants to work clock. He is a post coach. I thought they would use my kid more from 3pt.  But she got off to such a horrible start.   I did get a chance to talk to her yesterday after game and she felt like she has rediscovered her stroke.  I just told her the other guards were 2-27 in the game and she was 2-5 for in the 20 min she was in due to foul trouble and she would tell t out she should have been 4-5 missed a right hand drive and a reverse    It's not a knock on the other girls I'm just trying to get across it's ok to shoot and to miss.  I told her it's not working with you dishing all the time the teams needs you to realize your one of the best shooters on the team and you need to get more attempts

St joe first 11 baskets were 3 pointers I think they maybe only had 6 pts in paint.  I am going to knock some players without naming them. There is a couple of players who constantly have girls shoot 3s that they are guarding.  I don't know if it's due to their height or they just play off to far.  I'm spoiled because my kids height really bothers outside shooters so she rarely gives any up

She gave up one yesterday and the girl was 40 ft.  She was on fire made the first 5 shots of the game all 3s.    I'll be at the game wendsday so hopefully we have a game where we have some people go off

It just looks to me as though RHIT does not have many players whom are capable of of creating/scoring off the dribble or creating for others. Now, RHIT has never been a blow-you-away schematic offensive team, but they've always been a capable offense/unbelievable defense team, like the 200 Ravens or 2002 Bucs lol.
I honestly believe that if the Brooks kid had decided to play this season, they'd be at least .500, and probably would have won the league easily last year. A confident, capable senior PG (that also knows how to win) with a steady hand cures a lot of ills, especially with a team that is 95% Freshmen. Losing her is probably the worst thing to happen to the program in a long time. I hope they stay together and all come back - this is the most talented bad team I've ever seen.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 13, 2020, 12:34:12 PM
Baldini 3-2    20-7
FCGG 4-1       19-8
Jester 3-2      18-9
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Huge game between the top two teams
Wednesday
Hanover (6-0) @ Transylvania (6-0) 7:00 PM
Defiance (3-3) @ Manchester (3-3) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-6) @ Anderson (1-5) 7:30 PM
Earlham (3-3) @ Bluffton (2-4) 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph (2-4) @ Franklin (4-2) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 13, 2020, 10:27:18 PM
Hanover (6-0) @ Transylvania (6-0) 7:00 PM
Defiance (3-3) @ Manchester (3-3) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-6) @ Anderson (1-5) 7:30 PM
Earlham (3-3) @ Bluffton (2-4) 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph (2-4) @ Franklin (4-2) 7:30 PM

I'm going with the all home team sweep on Wednesday night. Transylvania, Manchester, Anderson, Bluffton and Franklin.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2020, 06:36:38 PM
Trany
Defiance
Rose
Bluffton
franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 14, 2020, 08:49:29 PM
Ditto on the home sweep. Defiance the most likely road team to win.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 14, 2020, 09:11:40 PM
Transylvania has cracked the top 10 this week moving up 4 spots to #9
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 15, 2020, 05:11:31 PM
Well here I am at Anderson university.  Maybe tonight will be the night.   We have a girl go 5 for 5 they decide to shoot 60 percent from free throw.  The refs give us the benefit on calls.  All the girls remember you know what I was really good in high school.  I do know how to pass and dribble. I do remember what it's like to score a basket. 

Most importantly to remember when they were the puncher and not the punching bag.  I think people have been right all the teams have taken their pound of flesh.  They knew they were beatable so they have gotten everyone's best and sustained game.  Now the bloodletting is almost over it will be interesting how the 2nd go around gos
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 15, 2020, 08:17:26 PM
20-16. Losing at half.  Nosa is killing it inside but her free throw shooting is such a disvantage not making them pay for fouling her.  Difference in game 4 3s to 0 for rose.  Kid is playing excellent defense has hit the floor hard twice already playing with a hip flexor proud of her sucking it up.  She needs to shoot the dam ball
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 15, 2020, 09:13:58 PM
YES YES YES YES Gold Almighty YES
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 16, 2020, 07:29:16 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 15, 2020, 09:13:58 PM
YES YES YES YES Gold Almighty YES

Still some big holes to plug, particularly on the perimeter (which could get exposed Saturday-Transy is GOOD on the perimeter) - but looked more like the team I think everyone was expecting - best basketball they've played since the first half of the WashU game. They seemed to really tank after the Nashville trip - what was in the water down there?
If they can get Igiehon to play that hard on a consistent basis, she'll be an All-American before she's done. My God she is athletic. That steal she had towards the end of the game where she just took the ball away from #24 Moore as she was leaving the ground for a lay-up was just sublime. Her stat line says it all: 18 points (should have been 28-30 between blown lay-ups and missed FT's), 21 rebounds, and 7 blocks.
Burnham reminds me of a working man's Chiarra Franklin, and #21 Barlow, their 6'1 post, will only get better as well. Jester, your kid has had her troubles scoring this year, but she really sees the floor, defends, and once she gains some confidence and gets healthy, will be a really good all-around player.
I've said all along, the future is bright if they all come back and they recruit as well as they always have.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 16, 2020, 08:34:34 AM
They are a re pounding monster team already.  I told my kid even though she scored 4 she affected the game on both ends of the floor.   Held her defensive assignments she was guarding one of their top scorers to 0 points.   The play she made when Nosa was shooting the free throw and kahlan was the only person coach had in the lane.  She fought off 3 defenders and was able to tip it Nosa for her to make a layup. Then she immediately got 2 turnovers.   We talked a About finishing better it's another game where she could have easily been in double figures and she only shot a few times   

Key to game 14 turnovers only.  The senior guard woody came through with a huge 3 the only one of the game and was clutch on free throws down the line.   They still reside in brick city but it's getting better with the shooting
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 16, 2020, 02:15:36 PM
It seems to be a down year for most in the HCAC this season.

Transylvania looks like they are going to run the table. Hanover will probably beat everyone except Transy and the other 8 seem to be an 'any given night' group. Before last night I would of guessed that Franklin, Bluffton and Manchester were good candidates to earn playoff spots, but Franklin losing at home gives me doubt about them being a sure thing. With 11 conference games yet to be played, it would not surprise me to see anyone of the 8 teams fill out the playoff spots 3-6.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2020, 04:22:34 PM
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2020, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 14, 2020, 06:36:38 PM
Trany
Defiance
Rose
Bluffton
franklin

May I suggest that if anyone want's to shorten Transylvania ... this is NOT how it's done. Transy works.

I realize it might be a typo, but I also realize that some would take exception to it as well.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 16, 2020, 07:49:08 PM
* Rose-Hulman ranks No. 2 in the HCAC in scoring defense, allowing just 58.3 points per game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 16, 2020, 08:43:59 PM
Congrats to Rose on getting that first win. Looks like turnovers were better and more action inside. Huge night for Igiehon.

Franklin just couldn't hit anything the final 5 minutes. They went 1 for 12 to finish the game, 0 for 4 from three. MSJ won it at the line, they were 23 of 29 while Franklin was just 6 of 14.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 17, 2020, 02:17:48 AM
so i got a negative for spelling trany for short seems reasonable shortening. If you get upset by that you are really  going out of your way to be offended. If we are going to take umbrage at Trany when its obvious there is no disrespect and why does one have to automatically go there and more importantly that a transgender person is going to get triggered by seeing a shortening of a school's name is some how mean spirited or offensive is actually in my opinion very condescending to that person.  So there will be no apologies but at the same time if Transy makes the world a little brighter I can do that as well.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 17, 2020, 09:31:49 AM
Saturday's games.

Mount St. Joseph @ Defiance
Transylvania @ Rose-Hulman
Anderson @ Bluffton
Franklin @ Manchester
Earlham @ Hanover

I will take Defiance, Transy, Bluffton, Franklin and Hanover. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 17, 2020, 11:09:31 AM
defiance
transy
anderson
manchester
hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2020, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 17, 2020, 02:17:48 AM
so i got a negative for spelling trany for short seems reasonable shortening. If you get upset by that you are really  going out of your way to be offended. If we are going to take umbrage at Trany when its obvious there is no disrespect and why does one have to automatically go there and more importantly that a transgender person is going to get triggered by seeing a shortening of a school's name is some how mean spirited or offensive is actually in my opinion very condescending to that person.  So there will be no apologies but at the same time if Transy makes the world a little brighter I can do that as well.

You may be reading too much into this. First off, I corrected you and I don't smite or applaud in general (unless really pushed) ... but I'm just making sure the hundreds (or thousands) of people who read these boards ... at least one is off your apparent "list."

Secondly, you could be applauded or smited for anything you write at any time. You don't know why people might do it based just on when or what you posted last. That isn't how it works. Someone could have read something you wrote from a few weeks ago and didn't like it and smited you ... but it pops up now because they just read it. It's coincidental. We also don't have a record of what post they smited.

Just don't assume because you didn't include an "s" in the short-hand for Transylvania (which should be obvious to include in my opinion) that someone smited you for that specifically. It could have been anything you wrote on these boards. You just don't really know.

You also took a nice long walk off a pretty short pier to assume the person that smited you must be a transgender - or at least that is how it has come across reading it six times. Or at least that a transgender person is going to get "triggered" because of your apparent (I say apparent, because you have yet to apologize for what I assume was a spelling or typo mistake but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt; you should do the same with others) misspelling. You don't have a clue who the person was who smited you ... but you certainly seem to think you do know which is pretty odd for a somewhat newby to these boards.

Or you assume you know what people might be "triggered" by. You shorted Transylvania to what is a condescending term especially for transgender individuals. And you are made at someone for being upset with you? Really? Even if you did it by accident, you did it. This isn't on other people. And your recourse is to not only assume someone smited you for it (and again, please provide the proof it was that particular post that caused the negative reaction; I can guess your most recent post has caused more negative feedback, though), but to then be unapologetic because ... you don't like that fact?

Why you won't apologize for a typo (at best) is beyond me. Why you take a "smite" from someone personal is beyond me. But attacking particular people because you think you know the reason is insane. I'm not sure why you simply can't apologize for the mistake and not attack others. "I'm sorry. I didn't mean to eliminated the 's' and misconstrue the intent. I'll make sure to keep that in mind in the future," goes a long way.

I will say, the kind of mentality you are reacting with, though, has seen people exit these boards.

The proper way to shorted Transylvania is Transy and all you have to do is look at their website to get that information. Apologizing and admitting you, like the rest of us, are human is certainly a nice way to go about it as well.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 17, 2020, 06:35:09 PM
Sorry for the delay on this... had a shoulder manipulation on Wednesday and I've been a bit off since. Still trying to get back into the swing of things.

Baldini 3-2     23-9
FCGG 3-2       22-10
Jester 3-2      21-11
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

I'm taking MSJ, Transy, Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 17, 2020, 07:49:04 PM
No I wasn't addressing others I was addressing you.  I said I think it's condescending to automatically go oh someone is going to be offended by an abbreviation which is innocent.  You really have to go down the rabbit hole and make it something it was not.   It was a shortening of a school name the context of it is obvious.  I know you have a site.  I didn't assume anything on anyone reading the comment. You don't need to be gay or transgender to be made disgusted by homophobic remarks. 

I just pointed out that for anyone to take an abbreviation as such a comment. You are really looking to be offended   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 18, 2020, 01:46:43 PM
Well down 6 at half vs Transylvania started game up 11.  They have defiantly turned the corner they might still lose by 20 never know one girl just liked behind bench so they may be down to 7.    Don't want to jinx the kid but she held Boyle to 0 points first half 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 18, 2020, 06:04:24 PM
Well a pretty goo djob today by rose-hulman Im not one for moral victories but alot of good today in the 12 point loss.   First breaking 60 points huge deal.    Kudos to boyle for having a great 2nd half for transy.  Jinxed the kid a little at half . Boyle got 2 baskets and a free throw on a and one against her and then scored 10 more on other match ups.

Again you can see where i think this team will be pretty good down the road. After a awesome last game Nosa was held in check after first quarter but Rose Burnham scored her career high of 18 i think. this after getting sick behind the bench.  They have multiple girls that can lead the team in scoring or rebounding on any given day. 

Defiantly there high in 3 point shooting as both wilson and jester shot well.

It will be interesting to see if Transy gos through the same situation as Rose next year as they are graduating 90 percent of their scoring. From what i could tell i dont think the  freshman  or sophomores played a lot.

The kids were pretty happy after the game they know if they keep playing like they have the last 2 games they are going to see  alot more wins in 2nd half of season
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 18, 2020, 06:59:19 PM
IMHO, I think it is wishful thinking to believe Transylvania will go though the same thing RHIT is going through this season. Transylvania has two Seniors this season and they account for 43.9% of their scoring. The cupboard is still well stock for next season.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 18, 2020, 07:14:10 PM
I thought there big 3 were all seniors
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 18, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: Baldini on January 18, 2020, 06:59:19 PM
IMHO, I think it is wishful thinking to believe Transylvania will go though the same thing RHIT is going through this season. Transylvania has two Seniors this season and they account for 43.9% of their scoring. The cupboard is still well stock for next season.

The PG #2 is a Jr I believe.
Boyle and Woodard will leave a HUGE void - without Woodard tonight Transy goes into halftime down 12-15 MINIMUM. If those two don't dress today RHIT wins the game - dressing 8 players.

Historically, Transy's always been just fine. Around 2010-11, when they lost Milburn and Black, they went out and got Coffman and Smith, when they lost Coffman and Smith they went out and got Boyle and Woodard - not to mention Hayes (who was IMHO a better player than EITHER of them prior to her ACL injury) and Gransbery, who only stuck around for a year but remains the most athletic kid they've ever recruited - next year a couple other borderline NAIA/DII/DI kids will show up who can really score for them. They always seem to get the kids they need - JUST when they need them.

Jester there are a multitude of majors to choose from at Transy, they have a great location in Lexington (attend a small liberal arts college but feel like you attend UK with all the entertainment and distractions downtown). RHIT has to find girls with 34-35 ACT scores - who want to be engineers - who can play at a high level - and whose families can afford $71,000 per year. I asked one of the parents (of a two-time all-HCAC player) a few years ago, he told me his daughter was paying $45,000 AFTER financial aid!

The question we should all be asking is "How is God's name does RHIT even compete with Transy, let alone win nine straight and two HCAC title games"
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 18, 2020, 09:59:04 PM
Well every kid is different at rose. For family needs also I think but don't know 100 percent I think there is more financial aid avaiable for minorities especially woman to help close the gap in that area for engineering.  I know in my case we a re a middle class family and I'm paying around 40 k after my daughters grants for her grades. 

It was simple for us. She had offers from D-2 and Naia schools for a full ride and I don't care where you are at financially that is a big deal. Especially when you factor in all the money you spent to get her to that point. 

But in the end every school that offered her a ride had limited degrees. She pretty much would have been a nurse at any of those schools. Nothing wrong with that but her mind and intelligence is in stem classes. There was really no great degree that used to disciplines.

She had decided to either attend Gustavus where after academic money would have been about 30 k of she stayed home.  If she took the full ride she had decided on Simpson university in California and also would have been a nurse

We visited a lot of schools and it was great so many wanted her but right before she was going to make her choice.  She said dad you always told me that once I saw the school I would know for sure.   I like both schools but I don't have that feeling.  During this time Rose has come late to the game along with Ohio welselyn    I said we can go visit these 2 schools for engineering.  She was burnt out from recruiting trips but she said she would go to one but not both   Rose had really been talking to me and saying if I can just get her there she would love it

They were right   Now after day 3 she wanted to come home but that's for another time.
The point being Coach prevo has told her that the fact she didn't take the full ride she shouldn't look negative at that. That she should be proud that she had put herself where she had choices.  To many kids have to accept offers and take degrees that they might not want because of financial or no other offers

Writing the check is hard but I know for my daughter and what it will do for her it's worth every penny.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2020, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 18, 2020, 09:59:04 PM
Well every kid is different at rose. For family needs also I think but don't know 100 percent I think there is more financial aid avaiable for minorities especially woman to help close the gap in that area for engineering.  I know in my case we a re a middle class family and I'm paying around 40 k after my daughters grants for her grades. 

It was simple for us. She had offers from D-2 and Naia schools for a full ride and I don't care where you are at financially that is a big deal. Especially when you factor in all the money you spent to get her to that point. 

But in the end every school that offered her a ride had limited degrees. She pretty much would have been a nurse at any of those schools. Nothing wrong with that but her mind and intelligence is in stem classes. There was really no great degree that used to disciplines.

She had decided to either attend Gustavus where after academic money would have been about 30 k of she stayed home.  If she took the full ride she had decided on Simpson university in California and also would have been a nurse

We visited a lot of schools and it was great so many wanted her but right before she was going to make her choice.  She said dad you always told me that once I saw the school I would know for sure.   I like both schools but I don't have that feeling.  During this time Rose has come late to the game along with Ohio welselyn    I said we can go visit these 2 schools for engineering.  She was burnt out from recruiting trips but she said she would go to one but not both   Rose had really been talking to me and saying if I can just get her there she would love it

They were right   Now after day 3 she wanted to come home but that's for another time.
The point being Coach prevo has told her that the fact she didn't take the full ride she shouldn't look negative at that. That she should be proud that she had put herself where she had choices.  To many kids have to accept offers and take degrees that they might not want because of financial or no other offers

Writing the check is hard but I know for my daughter and what it will do for her it's worth every penny.

Truth.  I'm very proud of the fact that my sons graduated without a penny of student loan debt.  (Though son #1 is saddled with thousands in debt from his wife's student debts, with a degree she is not using, but he and she gave us our four wonderful grandkids, so we forgive them! ;D) (Son #2 is so far unmarried, but we took him and his VERY serious girlfriend out for his 28th birthday this evening - no idea if she has student debt - not our debt, not our business. 8-))
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 19, 2020, 07:03:08 PM
Baldini 4-1     27-10
FCGG 3-2       25-12
Jester 4-1      25-12
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

This will mark the halfway point of conference play. One trip through the conference down, one more to go.

Wednesday

Earlham @ Defiance 7:30 PM
Franklin @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Transylvania @ Mount St. Joseph 7:30 PM
Bluffton @ Manchester 7:30 PM
Anderson @ Hanover 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2020, 10:26:23 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 17, 2020, 07:49:04 PM
No I wasn't addressing others I was addressing you.  I said I think it's condescending to automatically go oh someone is going to be offended by an abbreviation which is innocent.  You really have to go down the rabbit hole and make it something it was not.   It was a shortening of a school name the context of it is obvious.  I know you have a site.  I didn't assume anything on anyone reading the comment. You don't need to be gay or transgender to be made disgusted by homophobic remarks. 

I just pointed out that for anyone to take an abbreviation as such a comment. You are really looking to be offended

I think the person offended was you for me pointing out a mistake. I'm sorry if you took it that way, but your caterization of what I was thinking or why I posted is about as far off topic as I have seen in awhile. You completely misread (into) a simple post. I simply pointed out the proper way to shorten the name as it was just sitting there and hadn't been edited. Maybe you didn't realize your mistake. Pretty sure you could still apologize. Because all I said was "hey, FYI ..."

I didn't take offense to it. I also didn't say I was offended. There is a chance someone could be, so I figured it was worth noting it should be done with an S whenever shortened. I actually figured it could have been an innocent mistake, thus my simple post - and it really was a simple post. So, why not fix it? Or apologize for a simple mistake? Why instead do you have to take personal offense yourself for someone pointing out your accidental mistake? You decided to indicate that I must have been sensitive and made comments about other people ... not me. I didn't even come place to making those comments in my post. I simply said the proper way for it to be shortened.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 19, 2020, 11:57:26 PM
I made my point i have moved on. Were just going to have to agree to disagree.   People can decide for themselves. you have noticed I didnt decide to be an ahole and have been typing transy for short per your request it wasn't a big deal Im just  not a fan of social mob trying to shame and call people names  like being insane when they dont like something.  Even though to be fair you are the only writing me on this so i cant call it a mob.

You keep saying i made a accidental mistake. It wasnt a mistake and it wasnt accidental. I shortened the schools name on picks and to be straight up my mind didnt go where yours did when i typed it .
So you see that why there is no need to apologize there was no mistake there was no error you and i just have a difference of opinion on if it was egregious or not.  Lets get back to basketball  can someone explain why a player would leave the university of minnesota  womans program for giving a bad look to the coach
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 20, 2020, 03:10:26 PM
Earlham @ Defiance 7:30 PM
Franklin @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Transylvania @ Mount St. Joseph 7:30 PM
Bluffton @ Manchester 7:30 PM
Anderson @ Hanover 7:30 PM

Some tight games to pick for Wednesday. I will go with Earlham, Franklin, Transylvania, Bluffton and Hanover.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 20, 2020, 04:07:01 PM
I'll second those picks.
Earlham, Franklin, Transy, Bluffton, Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 20, 2020, 08:03:57 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 19, 2020, 11:57:26 PM
I made my point i have moved on. Were just going to have to agree to disagree.   People can decide for themselves. you have noticed I didnt decide to be an ahole and have been typing transy for short per your request it wasn't a big deal Im just  not a fan of social mob trying to shame and call people names  like being insane when they dont like something.  Even though to be fair you are the only writing me on this so i cant call it a mob.

You keep saying i made a accidental mistake. It wasnt a mistake and it wasnt accidental. I shortened the schools name on picks and to be straight up my mind didnt go where yours did when i typed it .
So you see that why there is no need to apologize there was no mistake there was no error you and i just have a difference of opinion on if it was egregious or not.  Lets get back to basketball  can someone explain why a player would leave the university of minnesota  womans program for giving a bad look to the coach

Is this the Destiny Pitts drama you are referring to? This is from the Pioneer Press article.

'What we do know is that Pitts was not suspended because she and a teammate were arrested on suspicion of criminal sexual conduct. She wasn't suspended for appearing in a sexually explicit video posted to social media, either. Nor was she being investigated by the U's Title IX wing for sexual assault or being part of a prescription drug ring'.

Sounds like Ms. Pitts has some issues and it seems to me that whatever course of action the coach decides to take they should be supported. No player should ever believe they are bigger than the program because they are not. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 20, 2020, 09:46:50 PM
Defiance
transy
bluftton
hanover
rose   i think they have figured it out some. they are playing another really young team. could be a good night for them to get back in tournament. Or  a horrible night might mean elimination

A word on Transy. I know there been huge battles the last few years but i have to say they handled themselves with class from the coach to the players.  My kid took the coach out in warmups and the coach was very gracious withe her.. The players help Rose players up after a foul.  The recap on their website was very respectful when a lesser team as i have seen gone out of their way to really bash the Rose squad.  The head coach was very complimentary on the freshman and she could see on film them growing every game.

I think you see that improvement the most in handling the press the last couple of teams that have pressed  hasnt really hurt them.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 22, 2020, 03:53:28 PM
Well here at the lovely Mx in Terre haute wasting time to the game tonight for rose against franklin in the battle of the youngans    Hopefully the spacing and scoring will be like against Transylvania's.  They also keep the turnovers under 20
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2020, 07:52:22 PM
Under 3 1/2 minutes left and Rose finally on the board. 19-2 Franklin leads. 11 turnovers already. Not what the Engineers were hoping for after their recent performances.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2020, 08:01:51 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 22, 2020, 03:53:28 PM
Well here at the lovely Mx in Terre haute wasting time to the game tonight for rose against franklin in the battle of the youngans    Hopefully the spacing and scoring will be like against Transylvania's.  They also keep the turnovers under 20
Were you referring to under 20 turnovers for the game or each quarter? ??? 13 turnovers in the 1st quarter.
I missed the first few minutes which seems like was the worst of it. Honestly other than the turnovers Rose didn't look that bad towards the end of the quarter. Just need the shots to start falling.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2020, 08:13:52 PM
From the Rose announcers: "A guard needs to get open... a guard needs to get open" - this was constantly being said both at the offensive end and inbounds after Franklin baskets.

I'm happy Franklin is doing well, but wow is Rose having a rough game. I can't count how many shots inside 5 feet Rose has missed.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2020, 08:53:18 PM
I said it earlier in the season, Rose needs to get off to better starts. Since spotting Franklin 19 points to begin, they've outscored the Grizzlies 34-30 late in the 3rd.
Franklin maybe a bit lazy in the 3rd with the comfortable lead. Like Rose, Franklin needs to work on their FT.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2020, 09:34:55 PM
67-50 Grizzlies win and remain in 3rd place in the conference. Franklin started up 19-0... Rose won the rest of the way 50-48.
Rose had 14 assists on 19 FG.

I liked Kahlan at the end of the game when she got involved... sharp passing, drive and kick out, take a few shots. She just needs to keep the fouls down so she can be out on the floor more. Her and Igiehon both only played 22 minutes and had 4 fouls while the other starters were all over 30 minutes.

Definitely tough right now knowing what they hopefully can become, but the good news for Rose... 6th place in the conference is only 3-6 so they're still just 2 games back. If they can show up in the 1st quarter of games they can get some wins and still have a shot at the conference tournament. Otherwise work towards next year when the bench is a bit bigger and everyone is a bit more experienced. The Franklin men were pretty much all freshman and sophomores a couple of years ago and had their struggles but now they're leading the conference.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 22, 2020, 10:10:11 PM
Defiance was in an early hole against Earlham, down double digits most of the first half. Kept battling and gained the lead in the 4th to go onto a 69-63 victory.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2020, 04:14:33 AM
That first quarter was just beyond embarrassing good god how any of them played and excel in high school you would never know.  The school of the blind would make better passes.  How do you play guard your whole life but now you can't dribble. 

I told my kid you are all letting other teams impose their will on you.  Remeber when you were young we would always talk about breaking spirit of the other player.  Now you guys are having it done to you.  There was so much grabbing off the ball and just know calls. I stole her if you are going to get a ticky tack foul anyways   Get one for throwing a girl off of you    If they want to press up 20. Have the guard bring her girl to center court and bury her on a pick   Tell them you may beat us but damn it you are not breaking us

Simple things need to happen

1.nosa can't foulespecially dumb fouls and needs to stay on court
2.turnovers are ridiculous my kid gets 2 to 3 turnovers inbounding because guards don't move and lose defender
3.woody needs to shoot
4.jester needs to stay out of foul trouble they really struggle contain 3s when she is off the court

Then just my kid.  You can see how much better the offense is with the ball in her hand bringing it up the middle. She's my kid so take it for what it's worth. She grew up a point guard then shot to 6 ft so she should be a forward or shooting guard but this team needs her to help handle the ball. Let her run the point she sees the floor better then the other guards she is taller so she Can pass over the top.  She played with a girl who is 6'2 250 lbs who will break her high school scoring record and she will tell you a lot of them is because the kid k ones how to get the ball into the post

Lastly my kid need to shoot after a horrible start to the year at 3's she has rediscovered her stroke I think she is at 29 percent conference problem is she got in trouble sir shooting early in shot clock. So now she won't shoot early on clock even if it's there
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2020, 04:18:43 AM
I Also didn't mean to imply that kid doesn't f things up also   It just seems she has the best ability and know the offense that when she has the ball instead of waiting the offense runs better.  They should be looking g to pound it inside.  Nosa should be 20 and 10 every game with her ability.  Rose should be 10 pts every game.   Jester and woody also

The problem with turnovers it's just not one girl where you can start hey take a seat it's across the vboard. Sorry for ranting and rambling tired waiting at O'Hare for a plane ride home.  Bluffton Saturday have a bunch of family coming for the  fight cancer game. Hopefully they all decide to show up
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 24, 2020, 03:58:55 AM
Baldini 3-2     30-12
FCGG 3-2       28-14
Jester 3-2      28-14
Enginerd 0-0   8-7


Saturday
Defiance (5-4) @ Hanover (8-1) 1:00 PM
Franklin (6-3) @ Earlham (3-6) 1:00 PM
Anderson (2-7) @ Transylvania (9-0) 3:00 PM
Manchester (5-4) @ Mount St. Joseph (3-6) 3:00 PM
Bluffton (3-6) @ Rose-Hulman (1-8) 3:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 24, 2020, 09:35:29 AM
Defiance (5-4) @ Hanover (8-1) 1:00 PM
Franklin (6-3) @ Earlham (3-6) 1:00 PM
Anderson (2-7) @ Transylvania (9-0) 3:00 PM
Manchester (5-4) @ Mount St. Joseph (3-6) 3:00 PM
Bluffton (3-6) @ Rose-Hulman (1-8) 3:30 PM

Going back for a RHIT upset one more time.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 24, 2020, 11:04:04 AM
Hanover
franklin
tRANSY
MACHEster
Rose

just a coincidence that every game i picked helps Rose lol
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 25, 2020, 01:37:25 AM
Hanover
Franklin
Transy
Manchester (I think MSJ has a shot at the upset)
Bluffton (Beavers have struggled as of late but I can't pick Rose until they put a full game together)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 25, 2020, 09:29:22 AM
Agree with you on the Manchester-MSJ game. Would not be surprised to see either team win that game or the Bluffton-RHIT game.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 25, 2020, 06:16:33 PM
Big win for the girls. Huge plays by everyone. They are still sprinkling in what the hell was that but now they are overcoming.  Huge drive by Burnham and the the senior woody knocking down the 2 free throws. Nola Wilson making big 3s

I know a few messages ago. Talked about plus minus.  I have to watch the game on web but i think I'm pretty accurate here.   My kid had to sit with the team up 11 with fouls sat the. 2nd quarter when she came back at half. They were down 8. She played the whole 2nd half and won by 2.  Now defense is not one person alone but her ability to take away a shooter and to make it harder to pass inside was obvious and her team when she was on the court was plus 21.

Still not happy she isn't scoring but if your not going to score make a difference on the other end of the court. Every game went there way today except manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 25, 2020, 11:47:11 PM
I was wrong plus 12
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 26, 2020, 12:09:29 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 25, 2020, 11:47:11 PM
I was wrong plus 12

I may not be following along well, but I believe the final stat sheet disagrees with you.

http://stats.statbroadcast.com/broadcast/?id=289985
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 26, 2020, 12:46:09 AM
Lol well according to that I'm wrong don't see how she was minus 2  I guess I can't add left the game with a 8 point lead came back with team down 5 and then won by 2. But I could be being a moron. In any case just another good defensive game held Bluffton to 6 points in first quarter and 5 in the last. 

Gillig had 5 I believe was their leading score.  Mills had 11 including a unbelievable clutch 3 to keep her team in the game at the end.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 26, 2020, 07:30:25 AM
I see a team (in RHIT) full of kids who were likely the best player, or one of the best players, on their respective HS teams. The awful turnovers such as bringing down a rebound, then whipping the ball up-court to the wrong jersey without even turning to see who's around, tells me they've never been subject to a great deal of discipline, and have relied on their athleticism and natural abilities up to this point - which you absolutely cannot do at ANY collegiate level.
They still refuse to run anything that resembles an offense. Looks more like a pick-up game at times. Could be a conditioning issue but they play hard on the defensive end and stand around on the offensive end. Surreal moment yesterday when one of the far-less-mobile bigs had the ball out at 30 feet, and the perimeter players just ran away from her, then stood and watched her, hands, on hips, until the bench erupted as the shot-clock ran down...says it all...

More than any other team in the HCAC, other than perhaps Franklin, RHIT has the DNA of something pretty unique and exciting for the years to come. Transy will always do their thing, and I'm sure Hanover will go out and get themselves exactly the class they need to replace all the departing seniors, but I see the bones of a special team here.
Igiehon, for example is having ridiculous rebounding totals (21 vs. Anderson) but looks as though she's never been taught a thing offensively. She is easily the most athletic kid in the entire HCAC in years, if not ever. If she ever develops an all-around game it could get ugly for everyone else in a year or two. Burnham is the heart and soul of that team and will play a huge role moving forward.
Nice to see Wilson find her stroke - her highlight films online are a sight to behold with pull-up jumpers from the volleyball line and just inside half-court.
Jester your kid is a unique Swiss-Army knife and will be indispensable.
Barlow might actually be their best shooter.
It's a shame they've lost some kids from the last few classes. Having a steady senior PG like Brooks around could easily have transformed RHIT into a team contending for the 2nd or 3rd spot in the league. Hopefully, they will have a good 2020 recruiting class. The future is extremely bright if they can find some help on the perimeter and build depth elsewhere..
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 26, 2020, 08:22:46 PM
Engine couldn't agree more on all your points.  Also the lack of quantity of players affect the practices for 5 on 5.  Also I know on my daughters case they are getting beat down physical wise.   Kahlan is averaging 30 to 34 min a game if fouls don't sit her.  She has been hurt for about 3 weeks with a hip issue when you watch the game you may see her fiddling with a brace thing under her right short flap. It's very uncomfortable device.  I think this is true for all the players but I know how my kid was raised but it's really important with having so few players.

Are you hurt or are you injured. If your hurt the team needs you.  I know what she is going through with her body and I know a lot of players play hurt to their credit. Her problem is she can't take time so she needs to play through it.  Do the things she can still do to help her team.  She is not happy with her scoring output but  I told her I was proud of her she is Being asked to do a lot on the defensive end and helping bring the ball up. We thought coming to college she wouldn't have to bring the ball up anymore except she's very good pushing when she gets a rebound and could just concentrate on getting open for 3s and driving. 


also they don't have very demonstrative players emotionally. I did notice though Webster during a late timeout being emotional during the timeout.  And after the game dancing with Nosa which was great.  The last few games she seemed to not be having fun and I know she is a great young lady and losing can do that.  To see her engaged like she was. Is terrific. She is by far their quickest player and has the ability to break someone down.  I thought she was really struggling the last few games but I thought she was a difference maker in the game. Her drives were getting their players in foul trouble
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 26, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
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I feel like someone needs to have a Captain Phillips moment for Rose and take charge on offense. No one seems willing to be in control and the offense just stagnates as they play hot potato then stand and watch. Occasionally someone will step up for a few possessions and then the offense actually looks ok but it eventually returns to terrible.

Even I'm frustrated by how their offense is doing and I root for a conference foe.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 26, 2020, 09:55:02 PM
Baldini 4-1     34-13
Jester 4-1      32-15
FCGG 3-2       31-16
Enginerd 0-0   8-7


Wednesday
Transylvania (10-0) @ Franklin (7-3) 7:00 PM
Hanover (9-1) @ Mount St. Joseph (4-6) 7:30 PM
Defiance (5-5) @ Anderson (2-8) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (2-8) @ Manchester (5-5) 7:30 PM
Bluffton (3-7) @ Earlham (3-7) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 26, 2020, 10:14:23 PM
Transylvania (10-0) @ Franklin (7-3) 7:00 PM
Hanover (9-1) @ Mount St. Joseph (4-6) 7:30 PM
Defiance (5-5) @ Anderson (2-8) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (2-8) @ Manchester (5-5) 7:30 PM
Bluffton (3-7) @ Earlham (3-7) 7:30 PM

Some wide open affairs on Wednesday, one of the few spots that Transylvania could get ambushed this season. Don't think they can sleepwalk through this one. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 27, 2020, 03:06:05 AM
Transy
hanover
defiance
earlham
rose  lost to them by 5 last time and really gave the game away last time hopefully cn grind out  another low score win
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2020, 10:34:50 PM
Transy (I'd love for the Grizzlies to knock off #7 in the country though)
Hanover (but MSJ will keep it closer than expected)
Anderson (the tossup of the day)
Manchester (if Rose gets off to a good start like last game they'll win)
Earlham (another game that could go either way)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 29, 2020, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2020, 10:34:50 PM
Transy (I'd love for the Grizzlies to knock off #7 in the country though)
Hanover (but MSJ will keep it closer than expected)
Anderson (the tossup of the day)
Manchester (if Rose gets off to a good start like last game they'll win)
Earlham (another game that could go either way)

There are three remaining opportunities for someone to get Transy. Tonight at Franklin, at Hanover, and when RHIT goes to Transy (yeah I know-but they've historically ALWAYS played them tough there and had a huge upset in 2012-13 and but for two FT's with no time left on the clock, again in 2014-15). Anything can always happen in the HCAC Tournament.
Likely they'll run the table, though.
Just no reason RHIT should lose to Manchester, MSJ, or especially Earlham.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 29, 2020, 01:50:49 PM
Lol have you seen the games. I'm worried about the kid tonight just told me she has only had 4 hours of sleep the last 2 days. Going to try to rest up on the trip   I'm sitting in Chicago about to get on plane to Indy and then drive like a bat out of hell to ft Wayne to get to the game

Mad at myself I booked a non changeable flight for Saturday which is senior night and messed up on the time so wouldn't get to the game on time so just going to have to eat the ticket and watch the game at home
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on January 29, 2020, 02:14:42 PM
I wonder, if you typically fly Delta, if you should've flown MSP to Detroit and drove from there to North Manchester. DTW airport is in the southwest part of that metro area.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 29, 2020, 02:26:38 PM
I'm on southwest
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2020, 07:16:26 PM
Great start for Franklin against the Pioneers. 12-6 lead midway through the 1st. Transy already has 5 turnovers while averaging only 14 a game.

It's now 18-6 with 2 1/2 minutes left in the 1st. Franklin looks like the team with the #7 ranking so far. Announcers say Transy's largest deficit this season is 14.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2020, 07:35:12 PM
It's now 33-16... Franklin is forcing turnovers, bad shots, and pushing the ball up the court every possession. Largest deficit of the season for Transylvania.

Pioneers finally got their act together and finished the half on a 16-2 run. Grizzlies still lead at halftime 35-32.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 29, 2020, 07:53:14 PM
Great first half for Franklin, yet only lead by 3. The start of the 2nd half will be very interesting to see if Franklin can take control or will Transylvania pick up where they left off. Should be a good 2nd half.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2020, 09:03:44 PM
Franklin held on for a while but eventually Transylvania pulled it out. They didn't get their first lead until 4:39 left in the 3rd. Franklin was still up 4 with 2 minutes left in the 3rd but again Transy finished the quarter strong on a 9-1 run to lead by 4. Transy took the lead for good with 5 minutes left in the game finishing on a 14-3 run to win by 11.

If the quarters were only 7-8 minutes long then the Grizzlies would have crushed the Pioneers. Transy just finished every quarter much better and undid all of Franklin's hard work. Hopefully there's one more meeting this year in the conference title game.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2020, 09:14:09 PM
Looks like Rose is getting their first win streak of the year. Only 17 turnovers but just 9 assists on 25 FG.

If scores hold... the conference is tight from 4th to 10
Transy 11-0, Hanover 10-1
Franklin 7-4

Defiance 5-6, Manchester 5-6
MSJ 4-7, Earlham 4-7
Bluffton 3-8, Rose-3-8, Anderson 3-8
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 29, 2020, 11:07:36 PM
The group that makes up the bottom seven and are scrambling for the last 3 playoff spots will make the last 7 conference games for each very interesting. They all play each other enough times and someone has to win those games that the head-to-head games will be double jeopardy to each of them. Every team still has a real chance to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 30, 2020, 12:19:18 AM
For the first time this season. The other team had more turnovers then rose.  The retribution tour continues Saturday.   In all seriousness the 2nd half offense was by far the best of the year.  Nola Wilson has really come on the last 2 weeks with her outside shooting and has been a dagger.  Desire Webster I feel has found her mojo again. Her quickness tonight and got them back in game. Her and Nosa need to go to free throw practice together

Rose was usual self and The senior Hannah Woody put the team on her back

For my kid I thought she had a terrible first  half but redeemed herself defensively in the 2nd half and taking care of the ball.   I am very worried about her physically.  After the game I saw her and the hip is getting worse there is just no way to make it better besides rest so it's really how much pain can she play through

Great game by the girls defense wasn't as stellar as usual but if we had to trade just a little defense to get the offense over60 I'll take it
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 31, 2020, 03:55:19 PM
Baldini 4-1     38-14
Jester 4-1      36-16
FCGG 4-1       35-17
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Mount St. Joseph (4-7) @ Rose-Hulman (3-8) 1:00 PM 
Transylvania (11-0) @ Defiance (5-6) 1:00 PM
Earlham (4-7) @ Anderson (3-8) 1:00 PM
Hanover (10-1) @ Manchester (5-6) 1:00 PM
Franklin (7-4) @ Bluffton (3-8) 2:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 31, 2020, 04:32:17 PM
Mount St. Joseph (4-7) @ Rose-Hulman (3-8) 1:00 PM 
Transylvania (11-0) @ Defiance (5-6) 1:00 PM
Earlham (4-7) @ Anderson (3-8) 1:00 PM
Hanover (10-1) @ Manchester (5-6) 1:00 PM
Franklin (7-4) @ Bluffton (3-8) 2:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 01, 2020, 01:47:36 AM
Well will be sitting on the couch tomorrow watching. Kid told me her one leg was 2 inches longer then the other because of her hip. Trainer had to tug on her and stuff. Hopefully she can keep playing through it.

Rose
Transy
Anderson
Hanover
Franklin

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 01, 2020, 11:51:51 AM
Take care of that hip. Don't want to cause more issues that linger into future seasons or beyond.

Rose
Transy
Earlham (someone has to be different)
Hanover
Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 01, 2020, 12:07:42 PM
Earlham- Anderson feels like a complete toss-up game to me, a game worth having a differing opinion on. IMHO 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 04, 2020, 01:44:34 AM
We were a Rose win away from a 5 way tie for last place in the conference.

Baldini 3-2     41-16
Jester 3-2      39-18
FCGG 2-3       37-20
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Wednesday
Transylvania (12-0) @ Earlham (4-8) 5:30 PM
Franklin (7-5) @ Hanover (11-1) 7:00 PM
Manchester (5-7) @ Defiance (5-7)  7:30 PM
Anderson (4-8) @ Rose-Hulman (3-9) 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph (5-7) @ Bluffton (4-8) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 04, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
transy
hanover
manchester
rose
st joe
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
Transylvania (12-0) @ Earlham (4-8) 5:30 PM
Franklin (7-5) @ Hanover (11-1) 7:00 PM
Manchester (5-7) @ Defiance (5-7)  7:30 PM
Anderson (4-8) @ Rose-Hulman (3-9) 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph (5-7) @ Bluffton (4-8) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 05, 2020, 06:58:09 AM
Transy
Hanover (Franklin needs to get back on track after 2 losses before the pack catches them)
Manchester (two teams on 3 game losing streaks)
Anderson
MSJ
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 06, 2020, 09:23:28 AM
The race for playoff spots is going to be very interesting the last 5 games of the regular season. Standing as of this morning.

Transylvania  13-0
Hanover  12-1
Franklin  7-6
Defiance  6-7 
Bluffton  5-8
Manchester  5-8
Mount St. Joseph 5-8
Anderson  4-9
Earlham  4-9
Rose-Hulman  4-9

Hanover is still in the hunt for the league title with a huge showdown at home with Transylvania on 2/19.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 06, 2020, 12:50:39 PM
Franklin on a 3 game skid has fallen back to the clutches of the pack... but 2 of those 3 were to Transy and Hanover. Hopefully they can regain their form against the bottom half of the conference. 2 more wins should see them safely into the conference tournament.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 06, 2020, 01:03:03 PM
They still have to play the games and anything can happen, but the schedule does appear to favorite Franklin to hold on to the 3 seed. Unlike RHIT's uphill battle, who still has road games at Transylvania, Hanover and Franklin in their final five.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 06, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
Baldini 4-1     45-17
Jester 3-2      42-20
FCGG 2-3       39-23
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Rose-Hulman (4-9) @ Transylvania (13-0) 1:00 PM
Bluffton (5-8) @ Anderson (4-9) 2:00 PM
Hanover (12-1) @ Earlham (4-9) 2:00 PM
Defiance (6-7) @ Mount St. Joseph (5-8) 4:00 PM
Manchester (5-8) @ Franklin (7-6) 4:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 06, 2020, 01:16:20 PM
Rose-Hulman (4-9) @ Transylvania (13-0) 1:00 PM
Bluffton (5-8) @ Anderson (4-9) 2:00 PM
Hanover (12-1) @ Earlham (4-9) 2:00 PM
Defiance (6-7) @ Mount St. Joseph (5-8) 4:00 PM
Manchester (5-8) @ Franklin (7-6) 4:00 PM

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 06, 2020, 02:24:35 PM
Transy
anderson
hanover
defiance
franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 06, 2020, 04:28:43 PM
Are you going to the game Saturday Jester?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 07, 2020, 01:02:10 PM
Nope i will be home im not sure if i will be at a game the rest of the year my busy time of year for my company if i go probably a Saturday game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 07, 2020, 09:51:27 PM
With six teams making the conference playoffs and Transylvania and Hanover already having the top 2 seeds and first round byes wrapped up, the other 4 spots will be interesting to watch playout. This is a list of each teams remaining games.

Transylvania  13-0  (Rose-Holman, Mount St. Joseph, @Manchester, @Hanover, Bluffton)
Hanover  12-1  (@Earlham, @Anderson, @Bluffton, Transylvania, Rose-Holman)

Franklin  7-6   (Manchester, Rose-Holman, Anderson, @Mount St. Joseph, Defiance)
Defiance  6-7   (@Mount St. Joseph, @Earlham, Rose-Holman, @Bluffton, @Franklin)
Bluffton  5-8   (@Anderson, Manchester, Hanover, Defiance, @Transylvania)
Manchester  5-8   (@Franklin, @Bluffton, Transylvania, Anderson, Earlham)
Mount St. Joseph 5-8  (Defiance, @Transylvania, @Earlham, Franklin, @Anderson)
Anderson  4-9  (Bluffton, Hanover, @Franklin, @Manchester, Mount St. Joseph)
Earlham  4-9   (Hanover, Defiance, Mount St. Joseph, @Rose-Holman, @Manchester)
Rose-Holman  4-9  ( @Transylvania, @Franklin, @Defiance, Earlham, @Hanover)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 07, 2020, 10:11:55 PM
Don't know how my kid is doing it.  Her hip is really hurting her  I just got a text from assistant coach on their way to transy

I think it hurts to move she grimaced a lot yesterday.
I think it's painful for her to push off that side. Tough to do certain things.
She's soldiering on. haven't heard a single complaint from her though

For a coach to send that speaks to the kids character.  After every game they have to adjust her hip. One of her legs gets 1 to 2 inches longer  and they adjust it back

We talked she feels she can play through it she played 38 minutes last game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2020, 12:04:30 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on February 07, 2020, 10:11:55 PM
Don't know how my kid is doing it.  Her hip is really hurting her  I just got a text from assistant coach on their way to tranny

I think it hurts to move she grimaced a lot yesterday.
I think it's painful for her to push off that side. Tough to do certain things.
She's soldiering on. haven't heard a single complaint from her though

For a coach to send that speaks to the kids character.  After every game they have to adjust her hip. One of her legs gets 1 to 2 inches longer  and they adjust it back

We talked she feels she can play through it she played 38 minutes last game

Sounds like a kid with a lot of heart.  The female equivalent of Jordan Zimmer.  Jordan was badly hobbled in the game in Holland (first round, 2012 national tourney), an injury for which he had surgery after the season.  I was sitting behind his grandfather, who said in no uncertain terms that there was no chance he would be able to play in the second round (against #1 ranked Hope).  He not only played, he single-handedly WILLED them to victory in the second overtime of probably the best game I have ever seen firsthand - 28 points, 10 of them in the 2nd OT)!

Your daughter is a WARRIOR.  I hope she can have an experience like Jordan Zimmer did! ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 08, 2020, 10:44:05 AM
Transy, Anderson, Hanover, MSJ, Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 08, 2020, 06:47:11 PM
wow they almost had the upset of the season tied game with 7 minutes to go  and transy said no its not going to happen.   I felt the team got away from playing team ball a little bit to many black holes once they got the ball alot of open players for kicks on drives and for  posts.   They are night and day better against the press if they handled the press now they would have won a couple more games.  They were destroyed on the boards for the first time this year and was the difference maker.  The kid had 7 and we didnt have anyone above 5.

A note to Engine.  They have asked the girls who plan on coming back next year. I dont want to speak on other players but i know my kid was honest. it really depends on next quarter. she knows she can handle the school academically but she is still not sure if this is what she wants for a career.  She is doing chem labs and feels this will give her a feeling on what she would like. She did tell them that if she does stay she will keep playing which makes me extremely happy I had some doubts with just the grind physically and mentally she has taken.  They asked her what she would do if she left and she would go to Gustavus to be a pre natal nurse. Were  a long way from there. My hope is she finds the happiness she is looking for in being an engineer and staying at Rose  I feel it has helped her grow intellectually as person but i  am comforted knowing how Gustavus feels about her both for the classroom and basketball.

I know there are other players on the bubble as well for different reasons. My hope is they all come back but if i had to guess i think you could see a couple players leave.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 10, 2020, 10:17:06 AM
Baldini 5-0     50-17
Jester 4-1      46-21
FCGG 5-0       44-23
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Wednesday
Mount St. Joseph (6-8) @ Transylvania (14-0) 7:00 PM
Defiance (6-8) @ Earlham (4-10) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (4-10) @ Franklin (8-6) 7:30 PM
Manchester (5-9) @ Bluffton (5-9) 7:30 PM
Hanover (13-1) @ Anderson (5-9) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 10, 2020, 10:43:43 AM
All games against Transy and Hanover are in red and crossed out because while some have come close, no one has beaten either of them so far. Games the first meeting were double digit losses are red, double digit wins are blue, single digit games black.

Transylvania  14-0  (Mount St. Joseph, @Manchester, @Hanover, Bluffton)
Hanover  13-1  (@Anderson, @Bluffton, Transylvania, Rose-Hulman)

Franklin  8-6   (Rose-Hulman (W17), Anderson (W6), @Mount St. Joseph (L6), Defiance (W13))

Defiance  6-8   (@Earlham (W6), Rose-Hulman (W10), @Bluffton (W5), @Franklin (L13))
Mount St. Joseph 6-8  (@Transylvania (L22), @Earlham (L3), Franklin (W6), @Anderson (W4))
Anderson  5-9  (Hanover (L2), @Franklin (L6), @Manchester (L7), Mount St. Joseph (L4))
Bluffton  5-9   (Manchester (L4), Hanover (L9), Defiance (L5), @Transylvania (L20))
Manchester  5-9   (@Bluffton (W4), Transylvania (L26), Anderson (W7), Earlham (L27))
Earlham  4-10   (Defiance (L6), Mount St. Joseph (W3), @Rose-Hulman (W15), @Manchester (W27))
Rose-Hulman  4-10  (@Franklin (L17), @Defiance (L10), Earlham (L15), @Hanover (L19))

If results went the way the first meetings did (which obviously won't happen), Transy, Hanover, Franklin would be the top 3 joined by Defiance (9-9), MSJ (8-10) and Earlham (7-11). Rounding things out would be Manchester (7-11), Anderson (5-13), Bluffton (5-13), Rose (4-14).
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 10, 2020, 08:41:24 PM
Mount St. Joseph (6-8) @ Transylvania (14-0) 7:00 PM
Defiance (6-8) @ Earlham (4-10) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (4-10) @ Franklin (8-6) 7:30 PM
Manchester (5-9) @ Bluffton (5-9) 7:30 PM
Hanover (13-1) @ Anderson (5-9) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 10, 2020, 10:31:00 PM
i think there might be the upset of the conference this week
transy
defiance
going with  upset. rose has played better on the road the road then at home.  they had their worst quarter of the year vs franklin otherwise they held their own . that quarter wont repeat  Pick rose
manchester
hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 12, 2020, 12:52:45 PM
Transy
Earlham
Franklin
Bluffton
Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:33:13 PM
Women's first Regional Rankings released.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 12, 2020, 09:32:47 PM
well so much for the upset  4team assists and got pounded on offensive boards. tournament hopes pretty much done with how other teams did tonight.

Kid played well 8 and 7   dont think she gave up a basket.  her player scored on a switch once
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 12, 2020, 09:53:21 PM
Anderson almost got the upset, but Hanover comes back in the final minutes to get the victory. Good overall effort by Anderson.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2020, 07:51:39 AM
Baldini 4-1     54-18
FCGG 5-0       49-23
Jester 2-3      48-24
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Rose-Hulman (4-11) @ Defiance (6-9) 1:00 PM
Mount St. Joseph (6-9) @ Earlham (5-10) 1:00 PM
Anderson (5-10) @ Franklin (9-6) 1:00 PM
Transylvania (15-0) @ Manchester (5-10) 3:00 PM
Hanover (14-1) @ Bluffton (6-9) 3:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2020, 08:02:55 AM
Franklin is now locked into the tournament and just about locked into the 3 seed.
Doesn't look good for Rose. They have to win out to have any shot and that includes at Hanover to finish the season. Best chance to upset there is if Transy beats Hanover the game before and locks them into the 2 seed and maybe they take it easy heading into the tournament.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 13, 2020, 12:34:11 PM
Rose-Hulman (4-11) @ Defiance (6-9) 1:00 PM
Mount St. Joseph (6-9) @ Earlham (5-10) 1:00 PM
Anderson (5-10) @ Franklin (9-6) 1:00 PM
Transylvania (15-0) @ Manchester (5-10) 3:00 PM
Hanover (14-1) @ Bluffton (6-9) 3:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 13, 2020, 09:22:40 PM
Rose
St joe
Franklin
Transy
Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 14, 2020, 08:28:02 AM
Three games left and top six make the conference tournament.

Transylvania  15-0
Hanover  14-1
Franklin  9-6
Defiance  6-9 
Bluffton  6-9
Mount St. Joseph 6-9
Anderson  5-10
Manchester 5-10
Earlham  5-10
Rose-Hulman  4-11
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2020, 10:58:31 AM
Defiance
Earlham
Franklin
Transy
Hanover (Bluffton capable of the upset if Hanover is looking ahead)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 02:43:58 PM
Rose wins to keep their tournament hope alive. They'll be just 1 game out of 6th.
Earlham leading MSJ which would guarantee 5th place would be at 6-10
Franklin in a fight with Anderson tied with a couple minutes left
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 02:51:10 PM
If the top two take care of business then we'll have 7 teams within a game of each other for 3 spots.

Transylvania  15-0 (@ Manchester)
Hanover  14-1 (@ Bluffton)

Franklin  10-6

Bluffton  6-9 (vs Hanover)
Defiance  6-10 
Earlham  6-10
Mount St. Joseph 6-10
Manchester 5-10 (vs Transy)
Anderson  5-11
Rose-Hulman  5-11
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 15, 2020, 04:31:36 PM
ok who is the tie breaker specialist.    what does Rose need to happen Wednesday besides winning at home. They have swept Anderson. Split with Bluffton and defiance and Manchester.

if they win will have split with earlham.   Been swept by mt st joe
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 05:39:39 PM
Quoteb. When ties in the final regular season standings occur the following steps will be used to break these ties.  These tiebreakers are only for seeding purposes and will not affect the standings or the awarding of all-sports points.
i. Head to head competition.   
ii. Competition against rank/order of regular season standings
iii. In-league road record
iv. Win-loss record versus common Division III opponents
v. If these four steps do not break the tie then a coin toss             
Tie Breaker Notes:   1) If the final standings have more than one tie then lower ties are resolved first. 2) If there are multiple ties for a position the conference tie breaker process will be used stated below:

"When there are a cluster of teams tied (3 or more), the selection/seeding process will first attempt to separate the tie by using head to head comparisons of the total number of wins and loses among those teams in the tie to emerge (produce a top team) from that cluster of teams.  Once a team emerges from the initial tie the process will be repeated starting with head to head comparisons in order to resolve all remaining seeds.  (Example:  Three teams tied.  Within the cluster the records reflect head to head results as follows:  Team A 3-1; Team B 2-2; Team C 1-3.  Team A would emerge and receive the top seed and the process of comparing head to head records would begin with the remaining ties.  When two teams are tied or multiple ties cannot be broken using the aforementioned process the criteria from the specific sports guidelines would be applied and followed to emerge a team.  Again, once a team emerges the process would be repeated from the start each time a team emerges until all seeds are resolved."



Transylvania  16-0  (@Hanover, Bluffton)
Hanover  15-1  (Transylvania, Rose-Hulman)

Franklin  10-6   (@Mount St. Joseph (L6), Defiance (W13))

Bluffton  6-10   (Defiance (L5), @Transylvania (L20))
Defiance  6-10   (@Bluffton (W5), @Franklin (L13))
Earlham  6-10   (@Rose-Hulman (W15), @Manchester (W27))
Mount St. Joseph 6-10  (Franklin (W6), @Anderson (W4))
Anderson  5-11  (@Manchester (L7), Mount St. Joseph (L4))
Manchester  5-11   (Anderson (W7), Earlham (L27))
Rose-Hulman  5-11  (Earlham (L15), @Hanover (L19))

Bolded games are between the bottom 7.

Just looking ahead to possibilities...
Rose still has to win out to have any shot and winning at Hanover to end the season is not going to be easy.
I believe a minimum of 2 teams will get to 7 wins regardless of outcomes (Bluffton/Defiance winner plus Anderson/Manchester winner vs their final opponent) so the 6th seed will either be a very lucky 6-12 team or be at least 7-11.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 15, 2020, 06:05:56 PM
Great job FCGG. I think that you nailed it with what it takes to make the playoffs, spots 4,5 and 6 probably will all be 7-11. If someone gets in at 6-12, I will be very surprised and they will be 'very lucky' as you had stated. 

Rose-Hulman should probably be a Transylvania fan when they travel to Hanover. If Hanover loses that game, the RHIT game becomes fairly meaningless for Hanover.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 06:58:39 PM
They need Franklin to keep playing too as they're locked into the 3 seed and so have two meaningless games against teams fighting for playoff spots.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 07:06:50 PM
Here's the scenario I'm rooting for...
Rose beats Earlham and Hanover
Earlham beats Manchester
Anderson beats Manchester and MSJ
MSJ beats Franklin
Loser of Bluffton/Defiance wins last game, winner loses last game

That would create a 6 way tie for 4th at 7-11. Let the chaos begin ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 08:39:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/25pxBL2.png)
https://i.imgur.com/25pxBL2.png

This is the win totals for the bottom 7 depending on how the remaining games go. Transy-Hanover doesn't matter, assuming Rose beats Earlham (to keep RHIT with a chance), Transy beats Bluffton and Hanover beats Rose. I had to make a few assumptions or there's be hundreds of possibilities to go through.
The top half of the picture gives the different scenarios, the bottom gives the win totals based on that scenario. If the win total is black the team would be in, red and they're eliminated, grey means they could be in or out based on tiebreakers.

Based on that, 16 of 64 scenarios would have RHIT in a tiebreaker at 6-12. Here's how many of those 16 are available depending on each game.
Defiance 10 vs Bluffton 6
Franklin 12 vs MSJ 4
Anderson 9 vs Manchester 7
MSJ 7 vs Anderson 9
Defiance 5 vs Franklin 11
Earlham 3 vs Manchester 13

And because I know you'll want to know, here's the same except Rose upsets Hanover
(https://i.imgur.com/3g5hAdS.png)
https://i.imgur.com/3g5hAdS.png
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 15, 2020, 10:08:46 PM
All i can say is wow . i just became a closet Franklin fan
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 16, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
Great work FCGG. It looks like the Bluffton-Defiance winner will have a inside track to a playoff spot.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 16, 2020, 06:09:48 PM
Bluffton will win   definace has gotten worse as the season has gone on they didnt show much at home against rose saturday and our offense was not very good
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 16, 2020, 06:57:57 PM
Bluffton seems to play much better at home this season verses on the road, 9-3 at home overall and 5-2 in conference play.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 17, 2020, 06:52:20 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on February 16, 2020, 06:09:48 PM
Bluffton will win   definace has gotten worse as the season has gone on they didnt show much at home against rose saturday and our offense was not very good

Defiance is always tough at home and well-coached. RHIT struggled at Defiance last year as well. Defiance is also missing #24 Lake (their best player) and Carruthers (an on-and-off starter over her four years but a big contributor), so picking Bluffton at home isn't a tough call. Neither played against RHIT.

Frustrating couple of years for an Engineer fan. They should have been better last season but lost the PG Brooks (which IMHO was the nail in the coffin this season as well), and a great post player and even better wing before practice started in October - then they lose the wing from Chicago before October THIS season...

They've had have some enormous bad luck down there and I know they always recruit well - hope they can keep this group together and add some good depth on the perimeter and a true PG - if they do, this season should be a one-off.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 17, 2020, 10:36:36 AM
Eng  your absolutely correct they need a point guard. This is me talking not my kid.   I expected for the time in her playing she would just be able to guard one of the top plavers but finally could just concentrate on scoring and not bring the ball up. That hasnt been the case,  In the first few games she was not involved with the press break and it was a disaster.  To her credit and to her teammates they have greatly improved against the press even though they still dont attack a press to make them pay they are just happy to beat it.

I know they have asked all the girls if they are coming back.  I dont think all of them are. Mostly due to the academics.  I know my kid is happy with the school but she has doubts if being an engineer is what she wants to do for a living . This next quarter will be huge in figuring it out.  I do know she is a broken down young lady who has been playing on one hip for over  the last month.

I wasn't sure if she wanted to continue playing. She has always loved basketball but she told me along time ago. Daddy I love basketball but its not who I am it just part of me.  With that said she has decided to keep playing either at Rose which I think she will end up staying at or if she comes home to become a pre natal nurse she will play at Gustavus.  She was honest with her coaches and they were great to her. They let her know how important she is and  with her being health and with experience they see her scoring 14pts or more a game.  They know there are things she cant do physically right now with her hip.

i hope they all decide to come back. I have heard they have 4 recruits for sure and maybe 2 to 4 more.  They need a ball handler that sees the floor and gets the ball out of their hands.  In the games agianst Transy you see them play and you wonder how the hell did you lose some of the games you played.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 17, 2020, 04:00:31 PM
Baldini 4-1     58-19
FCGG 4-1       53-24
Jester 4-1      52-25
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Wednesday
Defiance (6-10) @ Bluffton (6-10) 6:00 PM
Transylvania (16-0) @ Hanover (15-1) 7:00 PM
Earlham (6-10) @ Rose-Hulman (5-11) 7:30 PM
Franklin (10-6) @ Mount St. Joseph (6-10) 7:30 PM
Anderson (5-11) @ Manchester (5-11) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 17, 2020, 05:46:11 PM
bluffton
transy
rose
franklin
anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 17, 2020, 06:33:08 PM
Defiance (6-10) @ Bluffton (6-10) 6:00 PM
Transylvania (16-0) @ Hanover (15-1) 7:00 PM
Earlham (6-10) @ Rose-Hulman (5-11) 7:30 PM
Franklin (10-6) @ Mount St. Joseph (6-10) 7:30 PM
Anderson (5-11) @ Manchester (5-11) 7:30 PM

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 19, 2020, 01:30:59 PM
Bluffton
Transy
Earlham
Franklin
Anderson

After tonight's games I'll work on figuring out the tiebreaker scenarios for Saturday.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:06:58 PM
The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 19, 2020, 10:23:11 PM
Great win by the girls.   If anyone ever doubted the toughness of the kid. Watch the blow to her head she takes and to come out in second half to clam ting a down and get the defense back on track I'm beyond proud.  My best to the other player she looked like a tko fighter in the cage I hope she will be alright.  The kid said she has never been hit like that
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 19, 2020, 10:29:54 PM
5 teams sit at 6-11 and tied for 5th place... working on figuring out all the tiebreakers right now. For Rose I can tell you it's pretty much have to beat Hanover to have a chance though.

Boy this is complicated. Who gets in can be determined by a game not involving the teams... If MSJ beats Anderson, Transy over Bluffton, Defiance over Franklin, Earlham over Manchester... then either MSJ or Defiance gets in based on whether Rose beats Hanover or not.
The one thing I know for certain... Manchester has been eliminated. Only 4 of 32 scenarios they get in a tiebreaker and they don't make it in any.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: gordonmann on February 19, 2020, 11:37:38 PM
What's the tiebreaker for Transy and Hanover if both win?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2020, 12:38:36 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 19, 2020, 11:37:38 PM
What's the tiebreaker for Transy and Hanover if both win?
Quoteb. When ties in the final regular season standings occur the following steps will be used to break these ties.  These tiebreakers are only for seeding purposes and will not affect the standings or the awarding of all-sports points.
i. Head to head competition.   
ii. Competition against rank/order of regular season standings
iii. In-league road record
iv. Win-loss record versus common Division III opponents
v. If these four steps do not break the tie then a coin toss             
Tie Breaker Notes:   1) If the final standings have more than one tie then lower ties are resolved first. 2) If there are multiple ties for a position the conference tie breaker process will be used stated below:

"When there are a cluster of teams tied (3 or more), the selection/seeding process will first attempt to separate the tie by using head to head comparisons of the total number of wins and loses among those teams in the tie to emerge (produce a top team) from that cluster of teams.  Once a team emerges from the initial tie the process will be repeated starting with head to head comparisons in order to resolve all remaining seeds.  (Example:  Three teams tied.  Within the cluster the records reflect head to head results as follows:  Team A 3-1; Team B 2-2; Team C 1-3.  Team A would emerge and receive the top seed and the process of comparing head to head records would begin with the remaining ties.  When two teams are tied or multiple ties cannot be broken using the aforementioned process the criteria from the specific sports guidelines would be applied and followed to emerge a team.  Again, once a team emerges the process would be repeated from the start each time a team emerges until all seeds are resolved."

Looks to me like Transy still has it. 1-1 H2H, 2-0 against everyone else in conference, 8-1 road record in conference, Common opponent of Spalding which Transy beat and Hanover lost.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2020, 01:36:30 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Uj4o4g3.png)
https://i.imgur.com/Uj4o4g3.png

Consider this as an unofficial guide. I think I did all the tiebreakers right but it's possible I messed up somewhere.

Here's a synopsis for each team and how many of the 32 possible combinations get them in. Anderson-MSJ winner likely in and Bluffton likely in

Bluffton (30): win OR a win by either Franklin, Hanover, or MSJ
Anderson (15): win AND a win by either Earlham, Franklin, Hanover, or Transy
MSJ (14): win AND win by either Franklin, Manchester, or Rose
RHIT (14): win AND Anderson win; OR win AND Defiance, Manchester, MSJ all win; OR MSJ, Franklin, Manchester all win
Earlham (12): win AND MSJ win; OR Anderson, Franklin, Hanover all win
Defiance (11): win AND Hanover, MSJ win; OR win AND Anderson win AND either Hanover, Manchester or Transy win
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: gordonmann on February 20, 2020, 11:40:22 AM
Excellent. Thanks
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 20, 2020, 09:26:33 PM
Does Transylvania's lose to Hanover put in doubt their chances of hosting the first weekend on the NCAA tournament?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 20, 2020, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Baldini on February 20, 2020, 09:26:33 PM
Does Transylvania's lose to Hanover put in doubt their chances of hosting the first weekend on the NCAA tournament?

As long as DePauw and Hope make it to the conference championship games, or in Hope's case its conference semi's, it's unlikely Transy will host. Their .505 SOS is virtually unheard-of for a 3rd-ranked team in the Great Lakes region (and they'll only be ranked third until next week's new regional rankings - they could realistically fall to 5th) - although that number SHOULD come up a bit after playing Hanover. The ONLY thing Transy has going for it at this point is geography. The NCAA probably loves their location being able to send teams from as far south as Atlanta and as far north as PA.  After being the last team in several years ago you'd think Transy would have taken steps to enhance their SOS through a strenuous non-conference slate, but they have virtually the same kind of schedule they had five years ago. RHIT got absolutely robbed in 2016 and again last year with higher SOS, and in the case of 2016, with only one more regular season loss. Hard to compare the different seasons, though.
Transy deserved to host last year, after defeating Emory and a very good Trine team in Lexington - but their non-conference slate is pretty mediocre this year, to be frank.  In fact, RHIT finished 23-4 in 2015-15 with an SOS around .515 and a record vs. RRO's of 1-1 (split with Bluffton), and only got laughed at. I personally think Transy will destroy Hanover in the HCAC tournament, especially in Lexington, and if they do could expect to get a winnable #2 vs. #3 game at someplace like Hope or Oglethorpe. If they were to lose again, with that low SOS, it could get dicey depending on the AQ's in other conferences, seriously. I have not looked at their schedule at all, have they EVEN PLAYED a regionally-ranked opponent this season? If not, that could be a serious problem for them when the committee meets. Anyone know who the HCAC's rep is on the Great Lakes Committee for the NCAA Tournament?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2020, 03:06:41 AM
Baldini 3-2     61-21
FCGG 3-2       56-26
Jester 4-1      56-26
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Mount St. Joseph (6-11) @ Anderson (6-11) 1:00 PM
Bluffton (7-10) @ Transylvania (16-1) 2:00 PM
Defiance (6-11) @ Franklin (11-6) 2:00 PM
Earlham (6-11) @ Manchester (5-12) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (6-11) @ Hanover (16-1) 3:00PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2020, 03:24:41 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 20, 2020, 10:48:24 PM
Anyone know who the HCAC's rep is on the Great Lakes Committee for the NCAA Tournament?
HCAC rep on the Regional Advisory Committee (RAC) is Transy's coach which means she must recuse herself when the Pioneers are being discussed. Great Lakes rep on the national committee is DePauw's coach.

GREAT LAKES REGION
Kristin Huffman, chair DePauw North Coast
Amy Senefelder Hilbert Allegheny Mountain CC
Melissa Makielski St. Mary's (Indiana) Michigan Intercol.
Juli Fulks Transylvania Heartland Collegiate
Sara Lee Denison North Coast
Michelle Durand Ohio Northern OAC
Sam Jones Waynesburg Presidents' AC
Jennifer Reimer Case Western UAA
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 21, 2020, 04:58:23 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 20, 2020, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Baldini on February 20, 2020, 09:26:33 PM
Does Transylvania's lose to Hanover put in doubt their chances of hosting the first weekend on the NCAA tournament?

As long as DePauw and Hope make it to the conference championship games, or in Hope's case its conference semi's, it's unlikely Transy will host. Their .505 SOS is virtually unheard-of for a 3rd-ranked team in the Great Lakes region (and they'll only be ranked third until next week's new regional rankings - they could realistically fall to 5th) - although that number SHOULD come up a bit after playing Hanover. The ONLY thing Transy has going for it at this point is geography. The NCAA probably loves their location being able to send teams from as far south as Atlanta and as far north as PA.  After being the last team in several years ago you'd think Transy would have taken steps to enhance their SOS through a strenuous non-conference slate, but they have virtually the same kind of schedule they had five years ago. RHIT got absolutely robbed in 2016 and again last year with higher SOS, and in the case of 2016, with only one more regular season loss. Hard to compare the different seasons, though.
Transy deserved to host last year, after defeating Emory and a very good Trine team in Lexington - but their non-conference slate is pretty mediocre this year, to be frank.  In fact, RHIT finished 23-4 in 2015-15 with an SOS around .515 and a record vs. RRO's of 1-1 (split with Bluffton), and only got laughed at. I personally think Transy will destroy Hanover in the HCAC tournament, especially in Lexington, and if they do could expect to get a winnable #2 vs. #3 game at someplace like Hope or Oglethorpe. If they were to lose again, with that low SOS, it could get dicey depending on the AQ's in other conferences, seriously. I have not looked at their schedule at all, have they EVEN PLAYED a regionally-ranked opponent this season? If not, that could be a serious problem for them when the committee meets. Anyone know who the HCAC's rep is on the Great Lakes Committee for the NCAA Tournament?

Transylvania is 4th in the last regional rankings.

I don't agree with the general view that is bouncing around these boards about Transylvania and their non-conference schedule. It was not a who's who of D3 women's top 25, but there were no cupcakes either. Yes their SOS comes in low, but the non-conference schedule was a good test game after game.

Spalding 14-10, tied for 3rd in the SLIAC
@ Berea 22-3, 1st in the USAC
@ Wittenberg 18-6, 2nd in the NCAC
Maryville (Tenn.) 19-7, 3rd in the USAC
Redlands 18-6, 1st in the SCIAC
Monmouth 18-6, 2nd in the MWC (@ Santa-Cruz)
@ UC-Santa Cruz 12-11, 2nd in the ACAA
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 21, 2020, 05:04:01 AM
Mount St. Joseph (6-11) @ Anderson (6-11) 1:00 PM
Bluffton (7-10) @ Transylvania (16-1) 2:00 PM
Defiance (6-11) @ Franklin (11-6) 2:00 PM
Earlham (6-11) @ Manchester (5-12) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (6-11) @ Hanover (16-1) 3:00PM

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 21, 2020, 07:48:36 AM
Quote from: Baldini on February 21, 2020, 04:58:23 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 20, 2020, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Baldini on February 20, 2020, 09:26:33 PM
Does Transylvania's lose to Hanover put in doubt their chances of hosting the first weekend on the NCAA tournament?

As long as DePauw and Hope make it to the conference championship games, or in Hope's case its conference semi's, it's unlikely Transy will host. Their .500 SOS is virtually unheard-of for a 3rd-ranked team in the Great Lakes region (and they'll only be ranked third until next week's new regional rankings - they could realistically fall to 5th) - although that number SHOULD come up a bit after playing Hanover. The ONLY thing Transy has going for it at this point is geography. The NCAA probably loves their location being able to send teams from as far south as Atlanta and as far north as PA.  After being the last team in several years ago you'd think Transy would have taken steps to enhance their SOS through a strenuous non-conference slate, but they have virtually the same kind of schedule they had five years ago. RHIT got absolutely robbed in 2016 and again last year with higher SOS, and in the case of 2016, with only one more regular season loss. Hard to compare the different seasons, though.
Transy deserved to host last year, after defeating Emory and a very good Trine team in Lexington - but their non-conference slate is pretty mediocre this year, to be frank.  In fact, RHIT finished 23-4 in 2015-15 with an SOS around .515 and a record vs. RRO's of 1-1 (split with Bluffton), and only got laughed at. I personally think Transy will destroy Hanover in the HCAC tournament, especially in Lexington, and if they do could expect to get a winnable #2 vs. #3 game at someplace like Hope or Oglethorpe. If they were to lose again, with that low SOS, it could get dicey depending on the AQ's in other conferences, seriously. I have not looked at their schedule at all, have they EVEN PLAYED a regionally-ranked opponent this season? If not, that could be a serious problem for them when the committee meets. Anyone know who the HCAC's rep is on the Great Lakes Committee for the NCAA Tournament?

Transylvania is 4th in the last regional rankings.

I don't agree with the general view that is bouncing around these boards about Transylvania and their non-conference schedule. It was not a who's who of D3 women's top 25, but there were no cupcakes either. Yes their SOS comes in low, but the non-conference schedule was a good test game after game.

Spalding 14-10, tied for 3rd in the SLIAC
@ Berea 22-3, 1st in the USAC
@ Wittenberg 18-6, 2nd in the NCAC
Maryville (Tenn.) 19-7, 3rd in the USAC
Redlands 18-6, 1st in the SCIAC
Monmouth 18-6, 2nd in the MWC (@ Santa-Cruz)
@ UC-Santa Cruz 12-11, 2nd in the ACAA


The problem isn't what is being bandied about on the forums. I don't necessarily think Transy played a cupcake schedule but have learned over the years that the regional and national committees value three things above all else - and these have been discussed in great detail across these boards - those being, in no particular order:
- Won-loss % / record vs. D-III opponents
- Strength of schedule (some formula that includes opponents win % and opponents-opponents win %) ie the NCAA #
- Record vs. regionally-ranked opponents
The excuses that were tossed around in 2016 for a 23-4 RHIT team being left out of the NCAA tournament was their .515 NCAA number and the fact that their only win vs. a RRO was Bluffton (1-1).
...and still not sure why RHIT was left out last season after wins over DePauw and Transylvania, and their murderer's row of a schedule that included WashU, Ogelthorpe, Rhodes, Chicago, and the aforementioned Transy and DePauw - not to mention their high NCAA number that placed them right at #100 at the end of the HCAC tournament - Transy sits at #217 with a .507 NCAA # - with one game remaining vs. 13-12 Bluffton - and ZERO games vs. RRO's, to say nothing of wins. In fact, Transy is one of ONLY SIX teams in the entire Great Lakes Region, and one of only 50 teams out of the 443 women's basketball programs that comprise Division III, without so much as a single game vs. a RRO. The three OAC schools that are RR'd will only see their NCAA # go up and Transy's will likely go down after the Bluffton game and the HCAC semi's.

I'll always pull for any HCAC team in the NCAA Tournament, as I'm sure anyone else here would, but based on recent history of HCAC Champions at the NCAA tournament "table", Transy could ill-afford another loss. If they make it to the conference title game and win, they are probably going to get a winnable #2 vs. #3 game somewhere relatively nearby travel-wise. If they get upset in the semi's, they are out without a prayer of an at-large bid. If they make it to the title game and lose, it will be an uncomfortable wait "at the table", depending upon what happens elsewhere in other regions and who's at the table.

I hope Transy gets in the NCAA Tournament, I really do, and I was a huge fan of theirs in March last year - but If Transy loses in the HCAC title game, and then gets an at-large without any games (to say nothing of wins) vs. RRO's, combined with their their really low NCAA #, there will be squawking like no one has ever heard, from teams with comparable records that DO have games against RRO's, teams with more losses but multiple games vs. RRO's AND higher NCAA #'s - and virtually every team over the last decade that had games, and wins, vs. RRO's and higher NCAA #'s, but didn't get in. A lot of people are going to want to know what's so special about this particular Transy team (looking at ALL the data), and why the committee defied precedence to give them a spot in the tournament.

Based on what has transpired in previous years, and if the committees remain consistent, there is now no chance Transy will host a first-weekend NCAA pod - and probably would be the very last team in the field if they don't win the AQ.

The mid-to-bottom teams in the HCAC really drag the top teams down, from an NCAA # perspective. Look at what happened to RHIT the past four years - playing in the Midwest Classic, Chicago, UT-Dallas, Hope, WashU, DePauw, IL. Wesleyan, Oglethorpe, Rhodes...etc. I mean, they played SIX NCAA Tournament teams last year and finished 20-7, and didn't even come close - while a WIAC, MIAC, OAC, or CCIW squad with the same resume would have been a mortal lock. RHIT could easily put their non-conference opponents each year up against ANYONE in the country, yet by mid-Feb their NCAA # is always back down under .525.

Any HCAC team that wants to be prominent nationally year-in-and-out, needs their conference-mates to start scheduling better opponents, or step outside the cozy confines of their home arenas and start taking on all comers, and probably both.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 21, 2020, 03:21:33 PM
Well not very good news.  Kahlan is out for the rest of the season with a concussion so will not be at Hanover tomorrow.  Rose will  be going into the game with 7 players.  Really tough on her to have played through the hip issue all year.  She was playing terrific against earlham. Making passes that made the crowd go oooh.  Just bad luck with the 2 players hitting heads.  Somehow she willed herself through the 2nd half to help the team but she started feeling worse so it's time to worry about her and pull the plug for now.  If the girls can get the huge upset she can be re-evaluated

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2020, 04:18:47 PM
Those are generally teams with decent W-L numbers, so good for OWP, but none of them plays in a strong conference, so their OOWP really suffers.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2020, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on February 21, 2020, 03:21:33 PM
Well not very good news.  Kahlan is out for the rest of the season with a concussion so will not be at Hanover tomorrow.  Rose will  be going into the game with 7 players.  Really tough on her to have played through the hip issue all year.  She was playing terrific against earlham. Making passes that made the crowd go oooh.  Just bad luck with the 2 players hitting heads.  Somehow she willed herself through the 2nd half to help the team but she started feeling worse so it's time to worry about her and pull the plug for now.  If the girls can get the huge upset she can be re-evaluated
That sucks. Never want to have to sit when there's still something at stake but also don't want to make things worse for the future.
Considering where Rose was a month ago, the fact that they still have a meaningful game in the finale is an achievement. They were 1-8 first time through the conference and 2-14 overall, they're 5-3 in the rematches.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 21, 2020, 07:26:52 PM
I think Transy will destroy the field at the HCAC Tournament - so any discussion about whether they deserve an at-large bid is moot. They'll likely get a winnable 1st round game, too. Will be interesting to see where they get sent. My way-too-early prognostication is Oglethorpe - and I wouldn't be surprised if they managed another Sweet 16 appearance - depending on the match-ups with the other two teams in that pod.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 08:20:35 AM
Saturday
Mount St. Joseph (6-11) @ Anderson (6-11) 1:00 PM
Bluffton (7-10) @ Transylvania (16-1) 2:00 PM
Defiance (6-11) @ Franklin (11-6) 2:00 PM
Earlham (6-11) @ Manchester (5-12) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (6-11) @ Hanover (16-1) 3:00PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 22, 2020, 09:50:34 AM
Lol we're going all upsets

Really make it screwed up
Bluffton
Defiance
Rose
Mt st joe
Manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 02:14:30 PM
Anderson leads by 3 headed to the 4th. As far as Rose is concerned, if Anderson wins then Rose is in with a win and out with a loss.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 02:37:27 PM
Anderson wins 53-49 and eliminates MSJ.
Rose fate in solely in their hands now. No need to scoreboard watch.

Transy cruising over Bluffton in the 2nd
Earlham almost doubling up Manchester late in the 2nd.
Defiance-Franklin tied

Anderson: 15/16 scenarios they're in
Bluffton: 14/16
RHIT: 8/16
Defiance: 7/16
Earlham: 4/16
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 02:51:24 PM
Some runs at the end of the half for Bluffton and Manchester.
Transy 37-31 on Bluffton at half
Earlham 35-26 on Manchester at half
Franklin 33-31 on Defiance 1 1/2 minutes left in 2nd

Clinch scenarios
Anderson (15): Transy win OR Franklin win OR Earlham win OR Hanover win
Bluffton (14): Bluffton win OR Franklin win OR Hanover win
RHIT (8): Rose win
Defiance (7): win AND (Manchester OR Hanover win)
Earlham (4): Franklin win AND Hanover win
Earlham has no say in their fate... doesn't matter if they win or lose. :o
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 03:27:47 PM
Transy up 12 with 6 minutes left
Earlham up 9 with 4 1/2 minutes left
Franklin up 12 late 3rd.

If those scores hold it would be Rose, Anderson, Bluffton if RHIT wins or Anderson, Bluffton, Earlham if Hanover wins.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 03:50:13 PM
Transylvania wins 70-56 and takes the 1 seed
Manchester finished on a 16-3 run to force OT against Earlham
Franklin pulling away from Defiance 74-48 midway through 4th.

Looks like Anderson and Bluffton will be in, and either Rose or Earlham will join them depending on the RHIT-Hanover game which Hanover leads 33-25 at halftime
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 05:19:39 PM
Hanover wins 71-52.

It's official (not just my thought but HCAC twitter):
#1 Transylvania
#2 Hanover

#3 Franklin vs #6 Earlham
#4 Anderson vs #5 Bluffton

First round Tuesday at Franklin and Anderson.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 07:42:52 PM
Interesting how similar the mens and womens seedings are. Same #1, 2 and 3 flipped, 4 and 5 flipped.

Seed    Women      Men
1)    Transy     Transy
2)    Hanover    Franklin
3)    Franklin   Hanover
4)    Anderson   Bluffton
5)    Bluffton   Anderson
6)    Earlham    RHIT
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 25, 2020, 05:47:43 PM
2 games this evening, Bluffton @ Anderson and Earlham @ Franklin.

I will take Franklin to handle their business at home, but the other game should be a complete tossup type game. I ended up landing on Anderson only because they are the home team, Bluffton seems to be very good at home and not so good on the road. I will probably watch most of this one tonight.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2020, 07:19:48 PM
Here's the coaches preseason poll compared to how they did...
1. Transylvania University (8) 90                     (T1st 17-1)
2. Hanover College (1) 88                                (T1st 17-1)

3. Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology (1) 62  (T7th 6-12)
4. Anderson University 59                                 (T4th 7-11)
5. Franklin College 54                                        (3rd 12-6)
6. Bluffton University 52                                   (T4th 7-11)
7. Defiance College 50                                      (T7th 6-12)

8. Earlham College 39                                       (T4th 7-11)
9. Mount St. Jospeh University 38                     (T7th 6-12)

10. Manchester University 18                            (10th 5-13)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2020, 07:25:04 PM
Final Results
Baldini 4-1     65-22
FCGG 5-0       61-26
Jester 0-5      56-31
Enginerd 0-0   8-7



First round tonight... I'll agree with Baldini and say home teams hold serve.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2020, 09:21:43 PM
Franklin cruises 63-35 over Earlham and will face Hanover on Friday at Transy. Panthers won by 12 and 6 this year.
Bluffton scored just 1 point in the first 9 1/2 minutes of the 4th but held on to beat Anderson 47-41. They'll face Transylvania. Pioneers won by 20 and 14 this season.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
Women's third regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 11:12:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.

Got this from today's release on the main D3Hoops site - seems to imply that only those teams ranked on the 19th are considered to be RRO's for the purpose of the 4th and final regional ranking? If I'm reading this correctly Transy is 0-0 vs. RRO's, and that ain't changing.

"The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 26. They are the last of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 19 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2020, 02:03:36 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 11:12:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.

Got this from today's release on the main D3Hoops site - seems to imply that only those teams ranked on the 19th are considered to be RRO's for the purpose of the 4th and final regional ranking? If I'm reading this correctly Transy is 0-0 vs. RRO's, and that ain't changing.

"The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 26. They are the last of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 19 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
That line should be in a separate paragraph. "This ranking uses the Feb 19..." is referring to the latest rankings using the ranked teams from the Feb 19th rankings. Here's the same paragraph from the previous rankings
QuoteThe second public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 19. They are the middle of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 12 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 27, 2020, 05:20:03 AM
I think Transylvania will bump back ahead of Trine in the final rankings, but I don't have a good feeling about them hosting the first weekend. If they had stayed ahead of Oglethorpe, they may have been the choice to host Berea, William Peace and Oglethorpe. I am now thinking that their is enough teams for Oglethorpe to host.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2020, 06:58:43 AM
Quote from: Baldini on February 27, 2020, 05:20:03 AM
I think Transylvania will bump back ahead of Trine in the final rankings, but I don't have a good feeling about them hosting the first weekend. If they had stayed ahead of Oglethorpe, they may have been the choice to host Berea, William Peace and Oglethorpe. I am now thinking that their is enough teams for Oglethorpe to host.
We'll have to see how they do this week. Trine lost 2 RRO wins with Albion falling out but gained one with Hanover climbing in while Transy picks up a win and loss with Hanover. Trine still has the edge 2-4 to 1-1. Trine also has a fairly significant edge in SoS .555 vs .509 which will grow further based on the conference tourneys. All the Pioneers have in their favor right now is win percentage. Transy didn't just drop because they lost because Trine lost to #1 Hope as well.
If Transy wins the HCAC and Trine loses to Hope in the finals I'm only 50/50 that they'll flip. A Trine loss to Albion in the semis would be a big help.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 27, 2020, 07:40:26 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2020, 02:03:36 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 11:12:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.

Got this from today's release on the main D3Hoops site - seems to imply that only those teams ranked on the 19th are considered to be RRO's for the purpose of the 4th and final regional ranking? If I'm reading this correctly Transy is 0-0 vs. RRO's, and that ain't changing.

"The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 26. They are the last of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 19 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
That line should be in a separate paragraph. "This ranking uses the Feb 19..." is referring to the latest rankings using the ranked teams from the Feb 19th rankings. Here's the same paragraph from the previous rankings
QuoteThe second public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 19. They are the middle of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 12 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."



No - it shouldn't. It was all part of the quote and not my opinion or words.

Guys, much as I'd like to see it happen (because they are really good at home-I think they could have beaten Thomas More at home last year) there is very little chance Transy could possibly host - unless the schools that finish ahead of them haven't put in bids or their men's programs DO put in bids and this year belongs to the men's side for hosting precedence. They aren't leap-frogging DePauw or Hope, or now BW, or likely anyone else at this point, unless Trine loses in a semi-final. Additionally, the NCAA #'s of Ohio Northern and John Carroll will get better playing games in the OAC Tournament. Other than Trine, the only place for them to go in the rankings is down. The absolute best they could do is 4th (5th if Trine upsets Hope), because whomever wins the OAC (unless it's a real dark-horse) will pass Transy. There's no chance they'll finish ahead of Hope, regardless of what happens in the MIAC, and as long as DePauw makes the NCAC finals, the same holds. If Transy wins the HCAC, they will finish behind DePauw, Hope, and whomever wins the OAC, and if Transy finishes 4th or 5th in their region with ZERO games vs. RRO's, there will be some extraordinarily upset folks, and they'll have a legitimate argument, if they are chosen to host.

If they don't win the HCAC, they would be in serious jeopardy of not getting in at all without any games vs. RRO's, which, to my knowledge, have not been factors thus far in the first three rankings, but will be an important criteria for the final one.

I'm telling you, Transy is as good as anyone in the Great Lakes region except Hope - but as I've said, any HCAC team that wants to be treated like other, more prominent programs at the end of the year, really need to go out and schedule some of the better OAC and UAA teams, and not rely on the old venus fly-trap strategy of only getting quality opponents when they'll come play in one of your events (if you think I'm picking on Transy, I'm not, the only quality non-conference team I remember Bluffton playing during their 2015-18 run was when St. Thomas came and played in their event) or accidentally bump into a quality team at someone else's event.

I'll bet they get sent to Ogelthorpe - either as a conference champion in the #2 slot or as an at-large in the #3 spot. It really might make very little difference HOW they get in. If it's Oglethorpe, they REALLY match-up well with them and could very well advance out of the first weekend - they just need to GET to the first weekend.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2020, 08:26:32 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 27, 2020, 07:40:26 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2020, 02:03:36 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 11:12:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.

Got this from today's release on the main D3Hoops site - seems to imply that only those teams ranked on the 19th are considered to be RRO's for the purpose of the 4th and final regional ranking? If I'm reading this correctly Transy is 0-0 vs. RRO's, and that ain't changing.

"The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 26. They are the last of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 19 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
That line should be in a separate paragraph. "This ranking uses the Feb 19..." is referring to the latest rankings using the ranked teams from the Feb 19th rankings. Here's the same paragraph from the previous rankings
QuoteThe second public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 19. They are the middle of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 12 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."



No - it shouldn't. It was all part of the quote and not my opinion or words.

Guys, much as I'd like to see it happen (because they are really good at home-I think they could have beaten Thomas More at home last year) there is very little chance Transy could possibly host - unless the schools that finish ahead of them haven't put in bids or their men's programs DO put in bids and this year belongs to the men's side for hosting precedence. They aren't leap-frogging DePauw or Hope, or now BW, or likely anyone else at this point, unless Trine loses in a semi-final. Additionally, the NCAA #'s of Ohio Northern and John Carroll will get better playing games in the OAC Tournament. Other than Trine, the only place for them to go in the rankings is down. The absolute best they could do is 4th (5th if Trine upsets Hope), because whomever wins the OAC (unless it's a real dark-horse) will pass Transy. There's no chance they'll finish ahead of Hope, regardless of what happens in the MIAC, and as long as DePauw makes the NCAC finals, the same holds. If Transy wins the HCAC, they will finish behind DePauw, Hope, and whomever wins the OAC, and if Transy finishes 4th or 5th in their region with ZERO games vs. RRO's, there will be some extraordinarily upset folks, and they'll have a legitimate argument, if they are chosen to host.

If they don't win the HCAC, they would be in serious jeopardy of not getting in at all without any games vs. RRO's, which, to my knowledge, have not been factors thus far in the first three rankings, but will be an important criteria for the final one.

I'm telling you, Transy is as good as anyone in the Great Lakes region except Hope - but as I've said, any HCAC team that wants to be treated like other, more prominent programs at the end of the year, really need to go out and schedule some of the better OAC and UAA teams, and not rely on the old venus fly-trap strategy of only getting quality opponents when they'll come play in one of your events (if you think I'm picking on Transy, I'm not, the only quality non-conference team I remember Bluffton playing during their 2015-18 run was when St. Thomas came and played in their event) or accidentally bump into a quality team at someone else's event.

I'll bet they get sent to Ogelthorpe - either as a conference champion in the #2 slot or as an at-large in the #3 spot. It really might make very little difference HOW they get in. If it's Oglethorpe, they REALLY match-up well with them and could very well advance out of the first weekend - they just need to GET to the first weekend.
I wasn't saying you didn't put it in a different paragraph, I'm saying when they posted the rankings it should have been. They did the same thing in the 2nd rankings as I quoted. It does make it seem like they're saying the final rankings uses the Feb 19th or Feb 12 rankings to determine RRO but it just refers to that specific ranking using the previous week's ranked teams to determine RRO for that week. Transylvania will have a 1-1 RRO when they make the 4th rankings.
They need to hope Hanover beats Franklin though. If they beat Hanover then they're automatically in, if they lose, at least Hanover should stay in the rankings to keep that 1 RRO win.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 27, 2020, 09:54:22 AM
If I had to wager a guess I would say it is very unlikely that Transylvania is selected to host, but geography plays a big part in it at the D3 level and because of their location I still think their is a small chance. The catch to them hosting would be that it would end up being a loaded bracket for them with one of the island powers as a first weekend matchup. Their best chance to advance from the 1st weekend might be a trip to Atlanta.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 29, 2020, 05:33:16 PM
Transy and Hanover complete their domination of the conference. A combined 34-0 this year against the other 8 teams. Early 11:30am tip for the title tomorrow.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on March 01, 2020, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 21, 2020, 07:26:52 PM
I think Transy will destroy the field at the HCAC Tournament - so any discussion about whether they deserve an at-large bid is moot. They'll likely get a winnable 1st round game, too. Will be interesting to see where they get sent. My way-too-early prognostication is Oglethorpe - and I wouldn't be surprised if they managed another Sweet 16 appearance - depending on the match-ups with the other two teams in that pod.

Told you so.

Just remains to be seen where they get sent. I'll bet they go to either DePauw/Baldwin Wallace (whichever winds up #2 in the region) or Oglethorpe. They should get a manageable #2 vs. #3 game if they are sent South - Potential match-ups at Oglethorpe might be Randolph-Macon, Emory, Emory and Henry, William Peace, or even Piedmont if they beat Berea today - Berea might show up at the same pod, but I think the NCAA tries to avoid first-round match-ups of teams that played each other during the regular season. Likely opponents if they stay in the Great Lakes could be IL. Wesleyan, Wheaton, Trine, or one of the OAC schools. Surely they wouldn't be sent to Texas.

There might be too many southeastern/eastern teams for Transy to go to Oglethorpe - in which case they'd almost certainly have to be sent to DePauw/Baldwin Wallace, Hope, or Chicago.

They ought to leap-frog Trine in the final regional standings since they are a conference champion and Trine is not - which usually means a better #2-#3 match-up somewhere. RHIT's tournament title in 2018 meant a winnable pod with Wisc.-Whitewater and Gustavus Adolphus instead of the "pod of death" at IL. Wesleyan with DePauw, the Titans, and a pretty damn good Marietta team, which is where Trine was sent. The committee clearly placed some value on being a conference champion and this might be to Transy's benefit - despite their poor SOS and lack of any meaningful games vs. RRO's.

They'd have a far more manageable draw if they were to be sent to Atlanta - anywhere in the Great Lakes is almost certainly going to be that "pod of death".
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on March 02, 2020, 04:05:12 PM
Congrats to Transy! They again have a very do-able draw and should be pretty thrilled with it. They might still be playing in two weeks.

Having said that - WOW - Transy getting to host is a perfect example of what the two primary driving factors behind how the D3 field is chosen must be - money and convenience - because it is otherwise impossible to defend having a team with an NCAA # barely above .500 and ZERO wins vs. RRO's (if Hanover drops out of the final GL rankings) host an NCAA Tournament pod.

Again, I am happy for Transy, I'm a fan for the next week or longer, but  Good Lord...

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 02, 2020, 05:44:56 PM
Well, I am thrilled to have another weekend of D3 basketball in Lexington. I had convinced myself that they were probably headed to Oglethorpe. Makes me wonder if Oglethorpe did not apply to host? Or was a just geography move by the NCAA? 

Interesting note, Randolph-Macon to Oglethorpe is 540 miles. Randolph-Macon to Transylvania is 495 miles.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on March 02, 2020, 08:43:28 PM
so they dont take augsburg that is a joke in itself.  then they take the umac and the miac and make them play in the first round.   it appears rose played 4 teams that made the tournament im sure thats the most in HCAC

Personal not kid is at home and is feeling better from concussion.  I also have the privilege to now be the Minnesota Recruiter for Rose. So if you know any players looking to be an engineer send  them my way.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 03, 2020, 05:27:32 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on March 02, 2020, 08:43:28 PM
so they dont take augsburg that is a joke in itself.  then they take the umac and the miac and make them play in the first round.   it appears rose played 4 teams that made the tournament im sure thats the most in HCAC

Personal not kid is at home and is feeling better from concussion.  I also have the privilege to now be the Minnesota Recruiter for Rose. So if you know any players looking to be an engineer send  them my way.

I have not even looked at the teams that got in late or the teams that were left on the table, but who should of Augsburg gotten in over compared to someone that was selected? 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 03, 2020, 02:24:58 PM
Hanover ended up 8th in the final regional rankings, giving Transylvania a 2-1 against RRO and a SOS at .522. Compared to Oglethorpe with a 1-1 RRO and a SOS at .534.

Very close and more fuel to suggest that geography may have been the deciding factor in Transylvania hosting.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2020, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on March 02, 2020, 08:43:28 PM
then they take the umac and the miac and make them play in the first round.

Why is this part a problem?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2020, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2020, 08:26:32 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 27, 2020, 07:40:26 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2020, 02:03:36 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 11:12:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.

Got this from today's release on the main D3Hoops site - seems to imply that only those teams ranked on the 19th are considered to be RRO's for the purpose of the 4th and final regional ranking? If I'm reading this correctly Transy is 0-0 vs. RRO's, and that ain't changing.

"The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 26. They are the last of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 19 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
That line should be in a separate paragraph. "This ranking uses the Feb 19..." is referring to the latest rankings using the ranked teams from the Feb 19th rankings. Here's the same paragraph from the previous rankings
QuoteThe second public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 19. They are the middle of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 12 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."



No - it shouldn't. It was all part of the quote and not my opinion or words.

Guys, much as I'd like to see it happen (because they are really good at home-I think they could have beaten Thomas More at home last year) there is very little chance Transy could possibly host - unless the schools that finish ahead of them haven't put in bids or their men's programs DO put in bids and this year belongs to the men's side for hosting precedence. They aren't leap-frogging DePauw or Hope, or now BW, or likely anyone else at this point, unless Trine loses in a semi-final. Additionally, the NCAA #'s of Ohio Northern and John Carroll will get better playing games in the OAC Tournament. Other than Trine, the only place for them to go in the rankings is down. The absolute best they could do is 4th (5th if Trine upsets Hope), because whomever wins the OAC (unless it's a real dark-horse) will pass Transy. There's no chance they'll finish ahead of Hope, regardless of what happens in the MIAC, and as long as DePauw makes the NCAC finals, the same holds. If Transy wins the HCAC, they will finish behind DePauw, Hope, and whomever wins the OAC, and if Transy finishes 4th or 5th in their region with ZERO games vs. RRO's, there will be some extraordinarily upset folks, and they'll have a legitimate argument, if they are chosen to host.

If they don't win the HCAC, they would be in serious jeopardy of not getting in at all without any games vs. RRO's, which, to my knowledge, have not been factors thus far in the first three rankings, but will be an important criteria for the final one.

I'm telling you, Transy is as good as anyone in the Great Lakes region except Hope - but as I've said, any HCAC team that wants to be treated like other, more prominent programs at the end of the year, really need to go out and schedule some of the better OAC and UAA teams, and not rely on the old venus fly-trap strategy of only getting quality opponents when they'll come play in one of your events (if you think I'm picking on Transy, I'm not, the only quality non-conference team I remember Bluffton playing during their 2015-18 run was when St. Thomas came and played in their event) or accidentally bump into a quality team at someone else's event.

I'll bet they get sent to Ogelthorpe - either as a conference champion in the #2 slot or as an at-large in the #3 spot. It really might make very little difference HOW they get in. If it's Oglethorpe, they REALLY match-up well with them and could very well advance out of the first weekend - they just need to GET to the first weekend.
I wasn't saying you didn't put it in a different paragraph, I'm saying when they posted the rankings it should have been. They did the same thing in the 2nd rankings as I quoted. It does make it seem like they're saying the final rankings uses the Feb 19th or Feb 12 rankings to determine RRO but it just refers to that specific ranking using the previous week's ranked teams to determine RRO for that week. Transylvania will have a 1-1 RRO when they make the 4th rankings.
They need to hope Hanover beats Franklin though. If they beat Hanover then they're automatically in, if they lose, at least Hanover should stay in the rankings to keep that 1 RRO win.

I am not sure if you guys cleared this up for yourself, but to double-check:

The final rankings have vRRO from Week 3 and the end and are the ONLY rankings that do that. Every other ranking does not have more than what was available from the previous week. Week 1 (none; no vRRO data), Week 2 (Week 1 data), Week 3 (Week 2 data).

The RACs and national committee rank on Sunday with vRRO data based on the Week 3 rankings. The national committee makes any adjustments they need to make from the RACs and set the rankings. Then when all games are complete, the vRRO data is tabulated AGAIN with Week 3 and the current rankings combined for that vRRO. The national committee makes any more necessary adjustments that this retabulation may cause and locks in the rankings for selections.

The idea is that (a) a team is not punished when a team slips out of the rankings at the very end due to conference tournaments and (b) a team isn't suddenly rewarded for a team slipping into the rankings due to the conference tournaments. It is a nice compromised from the "once ranked, always ranked" which got out of control quickly and was done away with after one season.

I hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 04, 2020, 05:30:03 PM
Transylvania is the only school with 2 Jostens Trophy finalists.

https://www.transysports.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200303sq8np0
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 05, 2020, 09:56:12 PM
2020 All Conference teams (https://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200304fznkuq)

Player of the Year – Alexis Nall, Hanover College
Defensive Player of the Year – Hannah Hawkins, Anderson University
Freshman of the Year – Chloe Jansen, Mount St. Joseph University
Coach of the Year – John Jones, Hanover College
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 07, 2020, 03:13:26 AM
Pioneers fall in the first round to Randolph-Macon 78-68.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on March 12, 2020, 02:13:56 PM
Rose hulman just shut school down. Online classes to begin on March 23rd
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 17, 2020, 11:21:27 AM
3 players named to the All-Region team (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2019-20/great-lakes-women)

1st team: Alexis Nall - Hanover
2nd team: Shelby Boyle - Transylvania
3rd team: Ashton Woodard - Transylvania

Plus rookie of the year
Chloe Jansen - Mount St Joseph
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 19, 2020, 11:36:06 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 17, 2020, 11:21:27 AM
3 players named to the All-Region team (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2019-20/great-lakes-women)

1st team: Alexis Nall - Hanover
2nd team: Shelby Boyle - Transylvania
3rd team: Ashton Woodard - Transylvania

Plus rookie of the year
Chloe Jansen - Mount St Joseph

Nall, Boyle and Woodard were 3 ladies that were a joy to watch over the years. Wishing them continued success in their next careers equal or greater than that of the success on the hardwood. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 04, 2020, 03:53:54 AM
Well Engine

Big news for Rose today they signed the 6 footer out of texas who had 5 d1 offers.  She is going to be a 4 and some 3 and she can ball handle like my other favorite 6 footer on the team. I was told she is even more athletic then Nosa which would be saying something.



In smaller news to others maybe but a huge relief to me my kid has decided to return to Rose and wants to be an engineer.

Rose also has signed 3 other players that i dont know much about them.. They are still trying ot sign a point guard or 2.

Interesting note they are trying to recruit a 24 year old from Israel who just finished her military stint for the country but there not sure if she will decide to come. Would make for a interesting dynamic.

Lastly from what i have heard is that all 7 freshman will be coming back.  New schedule is posted with tournaments in North Park and IWU and non confrence with Knox,Berea and St.Mary woods
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 07, 2020, 01:55:38 AM
Engine

Here is video of the newest addition to rose  She is Manuella Shomba from Texas. She is more athletic then Nosa and that is saying something. She had several D-1 offers. Her sister is on Rose soccer team

https://www.ncsasports.org/womens-basketball-recruiting/texas/hutto/hutto-high-school/manuella-shomba

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on April 09, 2020, 09:22:21 AM
I wonder about the accuracy of her listed overall FG% of 28%. Nearly all of her baskets in the highlight videos are layups. If she was primarily a three-point shooter, 28% would be more plausible.
Also you originally referred to her as a six-footer but they list her as 5'9".
We'll learn what's what in November, hopefully.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 09, 2020, 09:52:40 AM
i was told she was a six footer but after i posted that i was told by another she is 5'9  and that she is more athletic then Nosa which is saying something. She is a slasher and can go to the hoop on the dribble where nosa is a inside player.  Now they need to get more point guards they are pretty solid across their backline
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on April 09, 2020, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: RogK on April 09, 2020, 09:22:21 AM
I wonder about the accuracy of her listed overall FG% of 28%. Nearly all of her baskets in the highlight videos are layups. If she was primarily a three-point shooter, 28% would be more plausible.
Also you originally referred to her as a six-footer but they list her as 5'9".
We'll learn what's what in November, hopefully.

Agreed - all that matters is how these kids adapt to the academics and how they play when they get there. She does look really strong and athletic.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 17, 2020, 05:15:44 PM
Engin

got news today on my kid. Could be good news in the end. In the last part of her senior year she was practicing against boys and had a hard pass thrown to her that bent her non shooting wrist back  and it really hurt she sat a couple of games and saw a doctor who now im not very happy with. They didnt see anything in xrays but gave her a cortisone shot. her wrist still bugged her but she finished the season. Later in the summer it was still hurting and she couldn't do all the lifting exercises.  She got another cortisone shot before she left for college.  I knew it bugged her during the season but i had no idea until just a couple of weeks ago how much it was hurting her worse then before.  We just went to the doctor and this doctor feels she has been playing with a partially torn ligament. When society allows she will get a dye MRI test to see better and  she will get surgery for it needed. 

My daughter knows this that it was disappointing with her scoring average she is way more talented offensively then 4 pts a game  and not showing the offensive player she has the ability to be.  But now knowing this along playing the last half of the season with a dislocated hip  and then finally  the concussion.  Point of this long winded paragraph besides being bored is that if we can get her healthy there is no reason she wont be a double figure scorer and wit the addition of this years class and Rose and Jordan and Nola will all increase their scoring and Nosa will become even more of a stud.  The girl coming in this year the d-1 player will demand the other teams best defender which will make a lesser defender on kahlan and nola and making it harder to double Nosa.  I think they will have a year like the years before last. 

The biggest concern is point guard.  Right now they have one true pg and that is webster but i have heard that she might not be coming back. None of the girls signed this year are points.  If they dont get one that means Kahlan and Nola will have to be pg. kahlan did alot of it during the last part of the year but man she wants to play just one year as a shooter. Every year she thinks she wont have to do point guard duties for the last 4 years and every year she gets sucked back in lol.

Lastly new schedule is up. It looks like he went a little softer in his non conference no Chicago this year.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 12, 2020, 12:52:27 AM
Hi Engine this post is for you  but i hope everyone is doing well.   I got a update on recruits for you and i think its pretty good news.  They have signed 6 players and still in the running for a post player from Alabama. The really good news is that they got another player who had D-1 offers but the bigger news maybe for the team is they thought they had missed out  on all the point guards they were recruiting but at the last minute a player decided that she did want to go to Rose.  I heard through grapevine that a top 15 school in the MIAA wanted her.

I dont know all the new player names except these 2 and Peyton Miller who is from California

Here is video of Manuella Shomba who got D-1 offers who is from Texas. www.ncsasports.org/womens-basketball-recruiting/texas/hutto/hutto-high-school/manuella-shomba

  The point guard is Mira Randolph from Ohio  only negative maybe is she is 5'4 but Rose is tall across the board www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvB44AQF70
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 16, 2020, 11:16:37 AM
Well it's official. Kahlan played the last season with a partially Torn ligament in her non shooting hand.   She is getting surgery day after finals on the 29th   Will be in a cast for 8 weeks and the 4 weeks of rehab  should be ready to go when practice starts.  Really mad at our doctors here in Minnesota who didn't have do a due test but just give her a cortisone shot.  She could have had this done before she left for college and who knows how being healthy would have done for her. 

She is just glad it's been diagnosed she felt people thought she was embellishing and that it was just sore   Kid is damn tough
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 20, 2020, 12:05:12 AM
Here is some geek information on the conference on seniors graduated and their loss scoring. This is only taking into account points per game.

Will go by most impact to the school who has it the best and might be in running for a title next year.

Worst  not quite in the same boat as Rose was last year but close is Hanover=Graduated 4 players  46 pts a game they averaged 66 pts as a team

Transylvania=Graduated 2 players  31 pts a game they averaged 72 pts as a team

Earlham=Graduated 5 players  28 pts a game they averaged 57 pts as a team

Manchester=Graduated 3 players  17 pts a game they averaged 57 pts as a team

Franklin=Graduated 3 players  17 pts a game they averaged 68 pts as a team

Anderson=Graduated 2 players  7 pts a game they averaged 55 pts as a team

Defiance=Graduated 2 players  31 pts a game they averaged 55 pts as a team

The team we love Rose=Graduated 1 players  10 pts a game they averaged 48 pts as a team. Rose struggled so mightily in the first half of the season scoring but i dont see with everyone coming back and the addition of another d-1 player how they are not in the 50's or if they all keep improving like they were in the 60's


THE TEAM IN THE CATBIRD SEAT

MOUNT ST JOESPH.  DIDNT  GRADUATE ANYONE.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 20, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
You missed Bluffton who graduated 2 for 14 ppg

As far as the bad doctor diagnosis... I know the feeling. Had what was ultimately diagnosed as a frozen shoulder, initially doc said it was just a tendon in the rotator cuff and I went through physical therapy and it improved a bit but not a lot. Finally got sent to a specialist who diagnosed it. Had a procedure done in January after a full year of it being messed up. It's definitely better than it was, but there's still some pain and soreness not in the shoulder where it had been bad but around the area which I think is because of trying to compensate for a full year.

Hopefully it all goes well for her and she'll be ready to go next season.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 09, 2020, 01:46:55 PM
Been a hospital filled time for the Grizzlies the past couple weeks. Two have had surgeries (one for hip, not sure for the other) and then a few days ago Carinne Henderson was in a motorcycle accident with serious injuries but is stable now. As of last night she was moving her left leg and arm and right toes. Still on a ventilator.
Get well soon ladies.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 09, 2020, 02:52:30 PM
All the best to those young ladies
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on June 09, 2020, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 09, 2020, 01:46:55 PM
Been a hospital filled time for the Grizzlies the past couple weeks. Two have had surgeries (one for hip, not sure for the other) and then a few days ago Carinne Henderson was in a motorcycle accident with serious injuries but is stable now. As of last night she was moving her left leg and arm and right toes. Still on a ventilator.
Get well soon ladies.

Just adding here.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2020/06/08/franklin-college-basketball-player-rin-henderson-fights-her-life/5323899002/
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 15, 2020, 11:19:48 PM
Hi Guys first Franklin I hope the young lady is doing better i havent seen a update on line.

Engine i hope you are doing well havent seen you on here for awhile. I have good news all the freshman are returning from last year which is great news those girls along with the D-1 recruit and the point guard they signed late  along with 4 other recruits who i have been told will help the club if anything at least they will be able to practice 5 on 5.

Everyone is healthy except Kahlan  she did end up playing all of last year with a partially torn ligament in her non shooting wrist she just got wires taken out and her second cast put on last Friday and will be out of that on July 28th and then rehab for 6 weeks and she should be ready to roll come the season. I was giving her crap about if her offense will improve now and she said well it cant get worse.  They are going to pound the ball alot inside  and i have been told the new d-1 recruit is a game changer so with their inside game and with Nola shooting and I am willing to guarantee my daughter will be  a much bigger scorer maybe not as much as she would be on other teams that look to shoot the three but she has always been fine with that. She is excited that maybe this is the year where she wont have to play point but can just bring the ball up on a rebound when their is a fast break they will still need her to help on the press her size allows her to pass over the top.

Some notes on the conference to keep your eye on.  Earlham and MSJ are in great financial troubles and I heard the same for Defiance and lesser extent Hanover.  Hopefully none of the schools will be cancelling their seasons. 


Frankilin I havent seen to many posts on other teams recruits have you heard anything has Hanover or Transy reloaded.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 16, 2020, 03:29:17 AM
It's been up and down for Rin. She got pneumonia which pushed surgeries back a few days but had one today for her femur and hip. Hip apparently was worse than they thought so they didn't work on her arm which is now scheduled for Wednesday but otherwise sounds like the surgery went well.
Still a long recovery ahead... opened her eyes a few times yesterday. Updates at the FC WBB twitter (https://twitter.com/FCGrizWBall)


If any school was going to have financial troubles I'd have pegged Defiance as the obvious choice, their enrollment has plummeted in recent years to under 600. Earlham is a tricky one because I don't think athletics is particularly important to them.
While the endowments don't really matter too much as far as athletics goes, it's good to look at to see who's in good shape financially and who could be in trouble due to current events.
2018 US News endowments are listed as:
Earlham: $429.2M
RHIT: $213.5M
Transylvania: $174.6M
Hanover: $143.6M
Franklin: $87.6M
Manchester: $62.5M
Mount St Joseph: $39.7M
Anderson: N/A (best I can find is somewhere in the $30M range)
Bluffton: $25.3M
Defiance: $16.2M


Haven't really paid much attention to the incoming freshmen yet. I probably should start taking a look.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 16, 2020, 01:05:48 PM
I was told earlHam is signicantly in debt that is why they cancelled their tennis and golf teams

Defiance had only something like 90 commitment s for this year
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 16, 2020, 06:46:09 PM
Schools mentioned on are on many of our's watch lists. That said, the next few weeks will determine who will be open likely the next academic year. I think we will hear more closures - though, not sure those in this conference will be of concern. The real time table to watch is the next academic year ... the true impact may be felt as we get closer to the traditional second semester and into that semester on what the futures may be for many schools.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on July 22, 2020, 01:35:00 PM
Engine

Here is the link to the 6 new members of the rose basketball team.  Shomba had d-1 offers and thomas is the real deal. I dont know much about the others. Randolph i heard on her hudl film the ref calling her a monster.  https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2020/7/21/womens-basketball-announces-six-player-recruiting-class-for-2020-21.aspx
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on July 22, 2020, 03:52:12 PM
that's a nice group of newcomers, accomplished academically and athletically
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 29, 2020, 04:40:26 PM
For those not keeping track, latest conference news is high contact risk sports in the fall (football, soccer, volleyball) have finally been postponed to spring. Low contact risk (golf, tennis, cross country) are still proceeding (but lots of other conferences have halted all fall sports). Basketball hasn't been decided yet but is in the high contact risk group.
QuoteA decision on the timing of basketball season (defined as high contact risk sport by the NCAA) will be made in the near future. Swimming and diving is classified as a low contact risk sport and will continue forward with its standard schedule.  The sports of indoor and outdoor track and field, men's lacrosse and women's lacrosse have also not been altered at this time.

In other news, conference branding will be getting a new look on Monday. Honestly I haven't cared too much for the current look so hopefully it stands out a little more.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 03, 2020, 03:15:46 PM
New conference look has been released https://spark.adobe.com/page/whjtMIQ80mTgw/ (https://spark.adobe.com/page/whjtMIQ80mTgw/)

Blue, green, and gray colors instead of the maroon of old.
Two logos, primary saying 'Heartland' and secondary saying 'HCAC'
School specific versions of the logos
Each sport has their own versions as well

(https://spark.adobe.com/page/whjtMIQ80mTgw/images/a8c908a4-84e4-4460-a385-4e55aadd5425.jpg?asset_id=935a3d65-ba9b-4647-b44a-9e7f815bfda9&img_etag=%22a13fc37dc8ac01e28a4650aed15e1f44%22&size=2560)
QuoteThe two words forming the league's moniker served as inspiration for the brand narrative:

HEART – The word 'Heart' is underlined to emphasize the competitive spirit and unified community of the HCAC. This positive bond of community felt within the conference was referenced universally throughout the process. Unity, sportsmanship and a sense of family was concurrent in the feedback from student-athletes, administrators and other conference stakeholders. Passion and commitment were also identified as key league values.

LAND – The land is represented visually in the logo with three rows of abstract farmland. This element showcases the geographical link of the 10 member campuses while also highlighting the conference's membership in NCAA Division III.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 23, 2020, 06:28:34 PM
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 29, 2020, 06:01:44 PM
Basketball schedules have been released. First games will be January 16th. 13 games plus an expanded 8 team conference tournament
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 15, 2020, 04:29:31 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 29, 2020, 06:01:44 PM
Basketball schedules have been released. First games will be January 16th. 13 games plus an expanded 8 team conference tournament

Don't be surprised if this is pushed a bit ... I am hearing from more and more schools two things: some schools are leery of letting students on campus before all students are expected on campus for the spring semester; there is a 7-10 day period of time per the NCAA teams have to practice and get up to speed before anything serious starts.

That is also dependent on whether schools bring students back to campus in the first place. That what if is right now become more and more of a question mark.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 16, 2020, 01:26:19 AM
Maybe the youngest confrence in country

1. Earlham 4 freshman 4 senior

2.Defiance and Hanover no info   each have 1 senior

3.Manchester leading the pack 12 fresh  0 seniors. I dont know if i was  aparent i would be happy with 12 players being signed

4. St Joe 7 fresh 4 senior

5.Transy 6 fresh 4 senior

6.Franlin according to twitter 9 Fresh 4 senior

7.Bluffton according to twitter 7 fresh 4 senior

8. Anderson according to twitter only 1 fresh 1 senior

9. Rose 6 fresh 0 seniors

Franklin I saw the girl who was fighting for her life  got to go home that is terriffic,

Engine some news on rose. First the bad news Nosa Igehon has decided not to play anymore.  I will miss her she was a terriffic player but she is even a better person she is still attending Rose so im glad I will still get to see her..  The freshman class are doing well and shomba is the real deal.

on apersonal note kahlan is still rehabbing her wrist from the torn ligament she played with last year  and has started dribbling and hopes to start shooting in 2 weeks.  mor eimportantly lol after 10 years of everyone telling her she should shoot more. These words came out of her mouth. You know dad its embarrassing i only scored 4pts a game i really need to be more aggressive and shoot more.  The clouds opened up and a ray of light shined on her and the birds started signing and babies stopped crying and a dad thought to himself well its about damn time you said that.

hope everyone is doing good and its damn ridiculus they are practicing with masks on  i think that could cause way more dmagae potentially then covid
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 20, 2020, 12:06:22 PM
Update to Anderson they have posted roster 2 freshman  and 1 senior
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 20, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
at this time 4 teams are set to play non cinfrence games in nov and dec  Bluffton,Defiance and Manchester.    Manchester and Mt s t joesph have set up a game against each other in november as well. I would say 80 percent Rose will join this list
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 11:10:12 PM
It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  It primarily affects girls (1 in every 10,000 girls develop Rett).  It strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.  It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate. 

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and hopefully there will be basketball to play and broadcast at the start of 2021!

Jay Murry
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Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 29, 2020, 11:42:23 PM
Today. Rose hulman told players they will be staying on campus and they will be playing non confrence  games.  No schedule yet but it appears games in November.    I talked today to another parent with a daughter on a team in the MIAC.  He is convinced they will shut  down the season After Carleton cancelled their season.  I'm glad my daughter is attending a school in Indiana
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 01, 2020, 11:39:11 PM
Parents were told today about 2 scheduled games for Rose in December

        Tuesday Dec. 1st vs Trine U. at our place -  time TBD                Saturday Dec. 5th @ Adrian Col. In Michigan – time TBD

They are also working on that tournament i heard about at washington u  in stlouis having a tournament in a bubble
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 06, 2020, 12:49:09 AM
Well i have written about my daughter and her team on this site but tonight i get to announce a huge personal achievment and i have to tell you a place i could never imagine.

I want to say how happy i am I get to Appalude or Smite people.  This is a moment that I doubted would ever come with there only being 9 pages in i dont know 20 years for the HCAC page when I first posted.

We now have 37 pages and I just want to say thanks to those that helped me get to this place. First grace be to God and then of course RogK and even though we are bitter enemies FCGrizzlies and also Baldini where the hell are you and my brother in arms Engineer. Without them we would not have been able to more then triple the amount of pages for HCAC  I could possibly also not mention Gregory Sager and the legend even though he has never taken time to respond to a post from me Mr. Yipsi.  Also a shout out to the best announcer i ever had call a game of my daughters and was very gentle on the freshman laden team the great voice of  jaybird.

Last but not least even though we had a tiff at one timea big thank you to Pat Coleman who without this site I wouldnt get to brag about my daughter.

I look forward to smiting all of you and maybe every once in awhile a pat on the back
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 06, 2020, 03:21:55 AM
Thought it might be interesting to see how many returning players decided to not come back to the team

Start with Rose 2 players   

Igehon  all freshman team
Young  DNP  due to injury

Manchester 4 players

Rodrigues 2.8 min a game 0 points
Norton DNP
Fillmore 10  min a game 1.5 pts
Brown played in 1 game

Transyvania 1 player

Megibben  6'2 player   3.9 min a game 1.5 pts

Bluffton 2 players

Smith 6'1  8.9 min 1.3 pts
Case 3.3 min  less then a point a game

Anderson 3 players one being a main player. The did have one player transfer from Macmurray her name is Cardwell is a sophmore guard averaged 15.7 min and 3 pts a game

Ault 26.1 min   5.7 pts
Aiman DNP
Morris 11.8 min 2,8 pts

Mount St Joesph 3 players one being a main player. Do have a player named Strange who is on roster looks like she wasnt on team last year but was at the school

Marcum 29.9 min 6pts
Hines   3.1 min  0 pts
Moody  9.4 min 1.5 pts

aLL OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE NOT POST THIS YEAR ROSTER YET.






Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 10, 2020, 07:07:51 PM
Well Rogk  it looks like I will be returning to Illinois Wesleyan Rose-Hulman just posted on their schedule site they are playing in the midwest challenge on nov 28 and 29. They also will be playing in the North Park Challenge on Nov 20 and 21st.

who they are playing isnt listed. I dont know if i told you this in the past but my kid told me that Sosas release was the quickest she had guarded and that includes Paige Bueckers.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 10, 2020, 08:02:45 PM
well now im  not sur eon the tournaments on one schedule page its on there on another its not have to ask the kid tonight
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 11, 2020, 10:55:18 AM
ok update on schedule will know by end of day if administration excepted.

Trine Dec 1st  and Adrian Dec 5th  these have allready been approved

Olivet College Classic   Teams Involved  Hope,Olivet,Bluffton and Rose.  Dec 10,11,12

Washington U tournament  Dec 16,17,18 and 19 teams not listed yet.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 12, 2020, 01:47:20 PM
Just found out the game vs Trine has been cancelled due to a member of Trine testing positive   and them not having enough days to quarantine and for contact
tracing and EKG protocol.

also update on washington U tournament and bubble
We are still waiting
on Washington U. Administration to make final decision on Bubble at their campus in Dec. 18-20.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 13, 2020, 06:20:58 PM
Well good news if your a fan of the heartland conference especially if you have a kid playing. Just released

HCAC-Return-to-Play-11-13-20
HCAC Winter/Spring Return to Play Plan: Nov. 13 Update

7/27/2020 9:01:00 AM

Story Links
LINK TO UPDATED ROSE-HULMAN COMPOSITE ATHLETIC SCHEDULE

HCAC Update Regarding COVID-19 | Nov. 13, 2020

CARMEL, Ind. – The Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference (HCAC) released an update regarding the league's response to the constantly evolving COVID-19 pandemic on Friday, Nov. 13. 

The HCAC Council of Presidents continues to weigh all medical information consistent with federal and state public health authorities, the NCAA, and institutional guidelines. Based on those current recommendations, the HCAC Council of Presidents has voted to move forward with plans to conduct winter sports competition in 2021.   

For indoor sports deemed as 'high transmission risk' by the NCAA's COVID-19 guidelines, the conference will develop and approve modified schedules.  Those sports are men's and women's basketball and volleyball.  The HCAC intends to play these sports while following the NCAA recommended health standards and continuing to monitor changes in the COVID-19 pandemic.  The Council of Presidents also agreed to move forward with plans to conduct the conference's other winter sports, following the guidelines that are recommended by the NCAA.

"The HCAC leadership continues to adjust and work towards finding ways to conduct safe competition, while adhering to public health officials, NCAA officials and institutional recommendations," said HCAC Commissioner Jay Jones. "We appreciate the continued patience and flexibility that our student-athletes, families and coaches have exhibited as we adjust to the ever-changing recommendations and necessary safety measures. We know the constant adjustments are not easy, but that is the only way to conduct safe athletic competition in this challenging environment."

The HCAC still anticipates conducting spring sports and fall sports (that were postponed and scheduled to compete this spring) in the spring of 2021. The Heartland continues to monitor the effects of the pandemic and is prepared to make necessary alterations to those schedules to allow for safe competition that meets all safety and health guidelines. 

The Council of Presidents determined that the individual institutions within the HCAC will have the autonomy to mandate their own spectator policies at home athletic events. Institutions are continuing to develop those standards, and those policies will necessarily remain fluid as local, regional and state health guidelines are modified. 

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2020, 03:27:18 AM
Current non-conference schedule for the HCAC before conference play begins Jan 16. Bluffton, Defiance, Manchester, RHIT, Transylvania all with games scheduled, Anderson, Earlham, Franklin, Hanover, MSJ with none
(* means on D3 schedule but not team schedule, ^ means on team schedule and not D3 so no idea if it's cancelled or happening):

11/6 Transylvania 69 @ Piedemont 71
11/7 Manchester 51 @ Adrian 77
11/7 Transylvania 46 @ E Texas Baptist 61
11/12 Manchester 55 @ Bluffton 65
11/14 Manchester 46 @ Bluffton 54

11/19 Bluffton @ Manchester 7:00pm
*11/20 RHIT TBA
^11/20 Piedmont @ Transylvania
11/21 Bluffton @ Manchester 1:00pm
*11/21 RHIT TBA
^11/21 Piedmont @ Transylvania
*11/28 RHIT TBA
*11/29 RHIT TBA

12/2 Adrian @ Defiance 6:00pm
*12/2 RHIT @ St Mary of the Woods 7:00pm
12/5 RHIT @ Adrian 3:00pm
12/7 Adrian @ Bluffton 6:00pm
^12/7 Transylvania @ Morehead St 5:00pm
12/9 Adrian @ Bluffton 6:00pm
*12/11 RHIT @ Olivet
12/12 Defiance @ Adrian 1:00pm
*12/29 UW-Eau Claire @ Transylvania
*12/30 UW-Eau Claire @ Transylvania
12/31 Covenant @ Transylvania

^1/13 Maryville @ Transylvania
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 18, 2020, 02:43:35 PM
Early results and they played 2 decent teams but Transylvania starts the year 0-2.   Bluffton handles Manchester in 2 games pretty easily
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 24, 2020, 02:15:52 PM
Defiance just relased thei roster   10 incoming freshman   7 players not returning.

Here are the  7

Baptista  didnt play in 2019

Roberts 8 games played 3.9 min

Blanton  12 games 3,3 min  1 pt  agame

Loer   didnt play in 2019

Harris  10 games played 1.8 min

Gilliam 9 games played 3.4 min

Bundy  didnt play in 2019
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2020, 10:45:23 AM
I wanted to bring to everyone's attention that the the DIII Championships Committee has decided that basketball has to have 60% participation for the NCAA tournament to move forward. That means if 40% or more call off playing, the tournament will pretty much be done.

Roughly that means we need 250 schools to still be playing - or not lose more than about 170.

Currently we have about 60 or so schools who will not be playing: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/11/winter-is-coming-but-who-will-play
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 02, 2020, 01:58:32 PM
Hey GRIZZ

Franklin just relased their roster.  Some impact losses for your squad.  The young lady who was in the accident they still have  her on the roster.  They are bringing in 8 freshman  one player Hurd who didnt play last year but looks liek she contributed th eprevious.

they are losing a starter and  one of the first off the bench both guards.

Cowert 26 min 7 pts

ratliff  17 min 3 pts

davis  7 min 3 pts

Pankaratz 2 min agame
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 02, 2020, 07:35:43 PM
Grizzlies are going to have some height, 10 players listed at 5'10" or taller, 4 at least 6'. Have to see who will take over the backcourt with McDaniel and Aycock graduating and Cowart not listed. Still have their top 2 scorers and 3 of top 4.

Considering the gap between Franklin and the cluster behind them last season, I'd think they should at least make the conference tournament as long as they have someone to handle the ball.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 21, 2020, 01:18:49 AM
Well the last and final team finally posted their roster  which is Hanover.

They dont lose any returning players and have 8 incoming freshman.

just showing a diffrence in how universities run. Games played this year so far

Bluffton 7 games

Transylvania   5 games

Manchester 5 games


Rest of confrence 0
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 21, 2020, 02:56:42 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 21, 2020, 01:18:49 AM
Well the last and final team finally posted their roster  which is Hanover.

They dont lose any returning players and have 8 incoming freshman.

just showing a diffrence in how universities run. Games played this year so far

Bluffton 7 games

Transylvania   5 games

Manchester 5 games


Rest of confrence 0
And if you count games not against each other then it's
Transylvania: 3
Bluffton: 2
Manchester: 1
with only 2 of those (both Transy) not being against Adrian
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 21, 2020, 07:51:38 PM
Well Grizz i have some  information.

The HCAC will have a confrence season. But teams will not play any schools that are more then 4 hours away. In Rose case that means no Transylvania.Bluffton,Defiance.

Games will be schelued that you play twice in 3 days this will help with the cost of testing.   All teams will make the confrence tournament and it will be a blind draw for the bracket.

They will have to wear masks on the bench and in th ebuilding but when playing on the ocurt they will not be wearing masks.

the worst news as a parent their will be no spectators  at least untill Feb 15th but all games will be streamed.

Rose has a tough start with Franklin and Hanover being their first 2 games.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 21, 2020, 08:45:03 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 21, 2020, 07:51:38 PM
Well Grizz i have some  information.

The HCAC will have a confrence season. But teams will not play any schools that are more then 4 hours away. In Rose case that means no Transylvania.Bluffton,Defiance.

Games will be schelued that you play twice in 3 days this will help with the cost of testing.   All teams will make the confrence tournament and it will be a blind draw for the bracket.

They will have to wear masks on the bench and in th ebuilding but when playing on the ocurt they will not be wearing masks.

the worst news as a parent their will be no spectators  at least untill Feb 15th but all games will be streamed.

Rose has a tough start with Franklin and Hanover being their first 2 games.

So the composite schedule on the HCAC website is incorrect?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 21, 2020, 09:21:24 PM
yes its changing, rose has already pulled theirs down
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 22, 2020, 01:35:01 PM
We should point out the HCAC is hoping to play... at least they have schedules out...
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 22, 2020, 03:16:43 PM
My info for the HCAC comes from a pretty high source. On a lower source note. I just had a dad whos daughte ris on a Miac team text me that they also will be playing in January.

And this is a great ideal I should go on the central page as not many come to this page .  Im not sure if its the confrence or Hamline itself but they have Hyvee sponsoring them for the cost of their tests 3 times a week. Great ideal. I alllready forward to Rose coaches and said you should present to HCAC commissioner
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 22, 2020, 07:28:09 PM
Jester - the source isn't relevant. My point was there is a plan in place, but "a plan today is a plan today." I can list a lot of different reasons for plans across the country to be changed at any point between now and ... May.

We have been tracking all of it - posting the cancelations and delay decisions by schools and conferences. It can be found here: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/11/winter-is-coming-but-who-will-play

I tweeted about the latest information I have gathered today and it can be found here: https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1341504569264779265
... or on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville/ (latest post)

Reminder that if we hit 40% canceled or delayed in terms of seasons, the NCAA tournaments will be called off. I think there will be basketball played in different parts of the country ... scattered, but the tourneys won't happen.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 23, 2020, 12:15:38 AM
No problem i think it  go's without saying that any plans are day to day
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 23, 2020, 12:28:38 AM
I also think its brilliant by either the MIAC or if its just Hamline having a sponsor paying for the testing. Because in the end college is like any other buisness they are worried about costs and bottom lines.  Leadership will say oh its the concern for the kids but the reason once you strip away  what they are expected to say ismost schools who will cancel is because of cost of testing.

If  following the  science college kids are at practically no risk for themselves now that doesnt anwser the coaching and the refs and staff or if kids go home during a break but for the health of the players there alot more things that will hurt them then covid.  Now I understand this will make some people upset . They can go home and kill old people will be a comment. Like i stated im only talking about the athlete themselves.

When the goverment shuts down liqour stores,weed stores,wall mart or home depot then I would worry about my daughter and i certainly never would have let her leave the state,
For all the pro and college athletes with a positive test I havent heard of one of them being even more then flu ill and certainly not in the hospital. I could be wrong but I dont think there has been.

People of my age Need to be smart and  need to be aware but shutting down the lives of young people so I have a false sense of security is not what i want on my shoulders.

Anyways back to basketball Paige Bueckers is everything I saw growing up and more and did you see the rings the Lakers got.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 23, 2020, 03:12:34 PM
Cost of testing, yes ... but another concern colleges have is their entire campus. An outbreak could impact their faculty (who are not young), administration, staff, janitors, food service individuals ... the list is long. Furthermore, it could affect and even kill young adults like college age students who may not be fully aware of any pre-existing conditions that may cause their illness to be worse. Or just impact them significantly. I have a former colleague from my TV days who son is a junior at Univ. of Tennessee. He contracted the virus and spent weeks in the hospital - some of the time on a ventilator. That stay impacted him greatly that he now is home under rehab care still learning to fully walk again (having spent time in a hospital this year myself, not for covid, that caused me to be in a bed FAR more than expected, I understand how it impacts something as simple as even walking).

You are also very right, Jester, that students can take this virus back to other people and impact them far more than themselves. Something I know some people just do not appreciate. It is something I am VERY concerned about with my kids attending a small, private, catholic elementary school. It is a long story and one that makes me nervous day to day...

So there are a lot of concerns colleges have to face since they have small communities of varying sizes they are responsible for. They also impact their local communities. I know of a handful of campuses that were, or likely were, told to send their students home because the local health departments had concerns with an outbreak or a potential outbreak on the local resources and hospital beds. A campus breakout not only will have the local hospitals slammed, but if it also impacts the community the resources for those ares are now maxed more than capacity or ability can handle.

Take LA County which is restricting any colleges from having students on campus and may allow a pilot program that would allow only 500 students per campus. Those restrictions keep any of the DIII campuses from having students on campus and thus having any athletic teams practicing let alone competing - so that has nothing to do with testing.

Yes, tests are a significant concern when it comes to costs. Some colleges can handle it; some can't. Some colleges need to make the sacrifice if they hope to stay open in the future; some cannot. But there is a very long list of other reasons, some contributing and some separate, that go into these decisions about students on campus and the like.

As for it doesn't seem to be as big a risk for pros and college age students, what is an acceptable risk? One of the top players in DI who plays for Florida just collapsed during a game recently. It appears the cause is tied to the virus. He apparently has acute myocarditis (https://www.gatorsports.com/story/basketball/2020/12/22/florida-gators-keyontae-johnson-has-season-ending-heart-issue/4006117001/) - the same condition that killed Hank Gathers and Reggie Lewis among others. There needs to be more tests in his case, but if COVID drives up the risk of myocarditis or any other long-term affect we aren't even aware of ... is that worth the risk?

Sure, it seems mild, but Ravens MVP QB Lamar Jackson describes being basically in his bed for 10 days straight sleeping. Same description a good friend of mine described the other day after he went through the exact same thing. He is two weeks removed and he's still exhausted - to the point of waking for breakfast then falling asleep again. That is pretty much worse than the flu... and again, the long-term problems aren't known right now. To quote someone I was talking to the other day: "let's hope history judges us well with regards to what may be long term effects of having the virus."

For the record ... I agree with much of what you said, Jester ... you just inspired me to put some thoughts down.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 23, 2020, 06:25:01 PM
Dave I think all your points are valid and I'm not saying I have all the answers but we are all day to day and you can't stop living. There will never be 0 percent. So like you mentioned d 2 cases out of how many college kids.   My heart go's out to anyone who has lost anyone and I wouldn't advise my mom to go to her granddaughters game.   People die every year from flu and other sickness and traffic accidents will kids on the cell phones driving will take more kids out then Covid will ever do.  We don't stop kids from driving.   For me personally and I realize the world doesn't revolve around me I am far more worried about getting alzihmers down the road then Covid.  Let's get warp speed for that or cancer things that will be long killing more people after Covid is over
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 27, 2020, 05:21:33 PM
No disrespect, but distracted driving kills nine people a day on average ... we are currently losing about 60 per day to covid (and it has been higher).

We have also lost as many people since COVID started (not 12 months, yet) as we have lost to the flu in the last five years combined (some states, it is the last ten years combined).

And we have done a lot of things to try and keep distracted drivers from killing people like laws - but distracted driving is not contagious.

And we do a LOT for the flu each year including a vaccine, but the flu isn't as contagious as covid.

Scarier thing... a new variant is 50% more contagious.

We need to get through the next 3-9 months and hope the vaccine allows us to get better control measures in place. It is unfortunate that student-athletes are taking a hit with all of this, but pandemics like this don't come around all that often (once a century it appears) and we have to just get through this. There are far more important things - even if that means it costs students the chance to compete this season or people like myself our careers.

And we have tried to get warp speed for cancer - but warp speed was about gambling on the right vaccines and making them ahead of time pending approval. Godforbid those vaccines ended up being busts - or warp speed would have been a bust as well. I am very glad it worked out... but I'm not sure how it would compare to cancer. There have been insane efforts made to figure out cancer, but ... it is a strange challenge. Well out of my depths of understanding.

BTW - Covid will never be over. It will be like the flu in our lives from now on. Sadly. We need vaccines to work and then we can maybe get ahead of this thing.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2020, 06:34:25 PM
Update on hcac scheduling from what i understand still not panting schools 4 hours away and now will be playing the same school twice back to back Friday and Saturday. Might be a couple thursdays in there so 12 conference games on docket
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 30, 2020, 09:17:26 PM
Here's the mileage chart (https://heartland.prestosports.com/information/mileage_chart) from the old conference website. The only matchups listed as over 4 hours away are

Anderson: none                                   (Transy 3:46 the longest)
Bluffton: RHIT                                     (Franklin, Hanover, Transy all over 3:30)
Defiance: Hanover, RHIT, Transy           (Franklin and MSJ 3:29 or more)
Earlham: none                                    (no one more than 3 hours)
Franklin: none                                    (Bluffton and Defiance about 3:30)
Hanover: Defiance, Manchester            (Bluffton almost 4 hours)
Manchester: Hanover, Transy                (MSJ almost 4 hours, RHIT about 3:30)
MSJ: none                                           (Defiance and Manchester almost 4 hours)
RHIT: Bluffton, Defiance, Transy            (Hanover, Manchester, MSJ over 3 hours)
Transy: Defiance, Manchester, RHIT       (Anderson and Bluffton almost 4 hours)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 31, 2020, 08:30:40 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 30, 2020, 06:34:25 PM
Update on hcac scheduling from what i understand still not panting schools 4 hours away and now will be playing the same school twice back to back Friday and Saturday. Might be a couple thursdays in there so 12 conference games on docket

The back-to-backs against same opponent is a major step for testing. If not, more testing is required each week ... and that brings with it more costs.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 01, 2021, 01:23:12 AM
It's not really important, but I wonder if it would be possible to do like the NCAA tournament and have two teams who are too far apart head to a centralized team (say Earlham or Franklin). They could do a 3 day round robin.
Say Defiance heads to Earlham and plays on day 1, Transylvania heads up and plays Defiance on day 2 then Defiance heads home, and day 3 is Transylvania against Earlham. Franklin could do the same with say Manchester and Hanover. Then the other 4 teams would do the back to back games with a single opponent (say Anderson vs Bluffton and RHIT vs MSJ). Everyone gets their 2 games in for the week and teams who are too far apart can at least get 1 matchup.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 01, 2021, 02:57:00 AM
Grizz thats a good idea but i think its to late in the process.  It doesnt appear rose will be playing St.Mary of the woods in their annual tournament ther eis some talk about maybe playing the game after the confrence tournament .
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2021, 08:31:31 PM
Rose just released their updated schedule   Back to back games Thursday and Saturday most of them against the same team


2020-21 Women's Basketball


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Conference 0-0  .000

Streak     ---

Home       0-0

Away       0-0

Neutral    0-0


Date           Time      At     Opponent           Location                          Tournament   Result

Jan 14 (Thu)   8:15 PM   Home   Franklin           Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Jan 16 (Sat)   1 PM      Away   Franklin           Franklin, IN                                         

Jan 21 (Thu)   7 PM      Home   Hanover            Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Jan 23 (Sat)   1 PM      Away   Hanover            Hanover, IN                                         

Jan 28 (Thu)   7:30 PM   Away   Mount St. Joseph   Cincinnati, OH                                       

Jan 30 (Sat)   2 PM      Home   Mount St. Joseph   Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Feb 4 (Thu)    7:30 PM   Away   Anderson           Anderson, IN                                         

Feb 6 (Sat)    2 PM      Home   Anderson           Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Feb 12 (Fri)   7:30 PM   Away   Manchester         North Manchester, IN                                 

Feb 13 (Sat)   6:45 PM   Home   Manchester         Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Feb 19 (Fri)   8:15 PM   Home   Earlham            Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Feb 21 (Sun)   3:30 PM   Away   Earlham            Richmond, IN
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 07, 2021, 05:28:34 PM
Just being a proud dad

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/images/2020/12/18/Kahlan_Jester_Featured.jpg?width=540&height=304&mode=crop&scale=both&format=jpg&quality=80
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 10, 2021, 09:01:39 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 07, 2021, 05:28:34 PM
Just being a proud dad

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/images/2020/12/18/Kahlan_Jester_Featured.jpg?width=540&height=304&mode=crop&scale=both&format=jpg&quality=80

You should be proud, best of luck to Kahlan with all of her future endeavors.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 10, 2021, 09:07:19 PM
The Transylvania schedule on D-3 Hoops shows the game against Morehead State as postponed, but that game was played on December 15th and even in defeat the Pioneers played the D-1 opponent well. The Pioneers are 3-3 as they head into conference play this coming week.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 10, 2021, 11:07:21 PM
I watched the hanover-manchester game   Hanover won 69-65. Hanover sporting new club  Manchester has a 6'1 guard averaging double figures looks to be the real deal have to wait to se e how she does when some defense is played
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2021, 08:20:53 AM
Quote from: Baldini on January 10, 2021, 09:07:19 PM
The Transylvania schedule on D-3 Hoops shows the game against Morehead State as postponed, but that game was played on December 15th and even in defeat the Pioneers played the D-1 opponent well. The Pioneers are 3-3 as they head into conference play this coming week.

Thanks. We had it correctly postponed on the 7th, but missed the reschedule.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 11, 2021, 07:50:27 PM
Mens preseason poll came out today so I expect womens will likely be tomorrow.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 11, 2021, 07:55:20 PM
http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/1/11/hcac-2021-womens-basketball-notebook-week-1.aspx
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 11, 2021, 08:01:16 PM
ok franklin,baldini and hopefully engine havent seen him on here in awhile. Here are my picks I have no clue but here we go.

Rose splits with franklin

Transy over anderson

mt st over hanover  one game was cancelled if for some reason they play it will be a split

bluffton 2 wins  over defiance

manchester earlham games cancelled but i would have taken a split
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 12, 2021, 12:32:45 PM
Poll is out  Rose picked 7th already have texted and said this should be feul for you girls.  I have no ideal on how they are going to be they lost a big time talent  but she also struggled really bad with free throws and turning the ball over but can they replace her rebounding.  Happy the kid made the to watch list  only time will tell


http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/1/11/2020-21-womens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 14, 2021, 08:26:02 AM
1-14-2021

Hanover over Manchester
Transylvania over Anderson in a good one.
Franklin over Rose-Hulman

1-15-2021

Bluffton over Defiance

1-16-2021

Hanover over Manchester
Anderson over Transylvania
Franklin over Rose-Hulman
Defiance over Bluffton
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 14, 2021, 12:26:30 PM
Hanover @ Manchester
Anderson @ Transy
Franklin @ Rose

Bluffton @ Defiance

Rose @ Franklin
Defiance @ Bluffton
Manchester @ Hanover
Transy @ Anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2021, 01:57:21 PM
Hanover over manchester
Transy over anderson
franklin ove rose  they only have 8 girls  it hink tonight injuries not related to covid.

bluffton over defiance
transy over anderson
bluffton over defiance
rose over franklin hoping they wore them down in first game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2021, 06:14:45 PM
Hanover 68-64 over Manchester.  Thought son game.  Manchester struggle nightly against the press.  Freshman number 11 reminds me of nosa from rose last year dominant for them on boards. Not good at free throws. Doesn't love her feet defensively got i. Foul trouble but when she is off court.  Their play drops off.  Hanover not the same team defensively and not strong rebounding  but when they had to play defense last 4 min they turned it up a notch. Very well coached team he doesn't panick
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2021, 10:43:21 PM
well interesting loss to Franlin 79-61   couple of things where the hell did the defense go doesnt help in firs thalf out socred on turnovers 18-1 but ther eis good news.   after a horrendous first period  they played at the same level as franklin actually got the lead down to seven with a minute to go and some subs wer emade i wont remark on and some freshman made freshman mistakes and all of sudden down 13 at half.  only 9 turnovers in 2nd half huge improvement from 15 in first. They socred 66 points tying their high from last year where they only score din the 60's 5 times.

personl on my kid 30 minutes 3 shots with one coming at end of game at buzzer scored 5 points i love her but  she has to shoot the damn ball no threes in the game for rose.  The kid played great defense her assignments with 0 points. I dont understand why they dont shift her down on a big when our interior players struggle but then i know that leaves the guard with more openings. The whole game not one 3 was attempted over her because of her length.   The freshman played hard as all the rose players do. It will be simple for them dont run the ball over and they will win more then there fair share. I would almost bet 100k there is no way franklin ends up in 70's on saturday,

I think Frankin will win the divison i odnt think transy will be able to outscore them as there defense is not as goood as it was last year
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 16, 2021, 12:28:51 PM
Rose-Franklin game has been cancelled... men still set to play.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 16, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
Bad day for rose. A player tested positive so they are all on 14 day sequestration at the holiday inn.  So next weekend and I think also the following weekend unless they move the Thursday game to Sunday they might paly
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 17, 2021, 01:25:16 PM
Not a great start to already have a positive test. Hopefully it's mild and the only case for the conference this season.

Hanover 68 Manchester 64
Transylvania 64 Anderson 46
Franklin 76 Rose 61
Bluffton 80 Defiance 67
Rose Franklin
Bluffton 75 Defiance 54
Hanover 69 Manchester 52
Transylvania 65 Anderson 60

FCGG   7-0
Jester 6-0 (missing the 2nd Panthers-Spartans game)
Baldini 5-2


10 games scheduled this week... lets see how many get played.
Thursday
Mount St Joseph @ Transylvania
Hanover @ Rose-Hulman

Friday
Bluffton @ Earlham
Defiance @ Franklin
Manchester @ Anderson

Saturday
Transylvania @ Mount St Joseph
Rose-Hulman @ Hanover
Anderson @ Manchester
Earlham @ Bluffton
Franklin @ Defiance
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 17, 2021, 04:24:23 PM
Rose games are cancelled for this weekend
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 19, 2021, 10:52:49 PM
Looks like Rose has also cancelled next weekend against MSJ.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 21, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
Thursday
Mount St Joseph @ Transylvania
Hanover @ Rose-Hulman

Friday
Bluffton @ Earlham
Defiance @ Franklin
Manchester @ Anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 21, 2021, 10:28:30 AM
Mount St Joseph @ Transylvania

Bluffton @ Earlham
Defiance @ Franklin
Manchester @ Anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 21, 2021, 02:09:00 PM
I pick

MT ST joe

bluffton

franklin

manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2021, 08:57:42 PM
Current standings through "3 game days". Only 5 teams have actually played all 3 games.

Bluffton 3-0
Franklin 2-0
Hanover 2-0
Transylvania 3-0

Manchester 1-2

Anderson 0-3
Defiance 0-3
Earlham 0-1
Mount St Joseph 0-1
Rose-Hulman 0-1
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2021, 09:01:46 PM
Saturday
Transylvania @ Mount St Joseph
Rose-Hulman @ Hanover
Anderson @ Manchester
Earlham @ Bluffton
Franklin @ Defiance
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 23, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Sorry about that Grizz, I forgot to put my pick in. I would of gone with the same as you had, but I see Transylvania took the Lose already. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 23, 2021, 08:02:40 PM
1/3 of the way through the 12 conference games. 15 of 20 games have happened, 5 have been cancelled.

Bluffton 4-0
Franklin 3-0
Hanover 2-0

Transylvania 3-1

Mount St Joseph 1-1
Anderson 1-3
Manchester 1-3

Defiance 0-4
Earlham 0-2
Rose-Hulman 0-1

Next week's pairings:
Franklin-Hanover
Bluffton-Manchester
Anderson-Earlham
Manchester-Transylvania
Mount St Joseph-Rose
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2021, 11:44:59 PM
Hi Guys just wanted to update you on rose and my daughter.  Also maybe to gloat on my prediction of MSJ beating transy.

A teammate of my daughters tested positve and the team was quarantined after their first game against Franklin.  My daughter became sick a couple of days later and on Tuesday  tested positive for Covid.   Since then she has battled with 101 Tempetures and chills slight breathing and for her sores in her mouth.   Today was a good day the fever has broken and she feels much better and just has a cough  she even got herself a pizza today.   Her and the team get to come out of being sequestered on Thursday.  In her case she then has to wait 2 weeks to take a ekg test and pass that before she comes back which means she will probably miss the Anderson games as well.   The team is still hoping to have enough players for Anderson

Nothing to do with basketball and I know it's true everywhere these young people are just amazing. They had a virtual job fair for internships and with 102 temp she refused to cancel her interview with the state department and also not to miss a test

I knew sending my daughter back to school could be a risk and it sucks she got it and I wish she had not had to go through it but the way Rose and especially Coach Prevo and his wife are there just not for my daughter but all the girls makes me even more sure that my daughter picked the correct university
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on January 24, 2021, 07:07:21 AM
Glad that she is improving quickly, with her immune system strong. Hopefully no lingering issues.
Had to be scary for her, more so for you and the Mrs.
Good luck also to any teammates and others we don't know that are still battling Covid effects.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 24, 2021, 01:00:52 PM
They were fortunate she was the only one who got sick.  Franklin I think oyu have the best squad this year form game si have watched.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2021, 02:52:34 PM
Here's hoping your daughter fully recovers well. This is a scary beast.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 26, 2021, 05:27:31 PM
picks

franklin both games

manchester both

anderson both

transy win and then manchester win  both teams will win their home games
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2021, 01:05:04 PM
Hopefully Kahlan gets better soon and the Engineers get back on the court.

Thursday
Hanover @ Franklin

Friday
Earlham @ Transylvania
Bluffton @ Manchester
Anderson @ Defiance

Saturday
Franklin @ Hanover
Manchester @ Bluffton
Defiance @ Anderson

Sunday
Transylvania @ Earlham
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2021, 01:14:14 PM
Never posted last week's results. Better late than never

Transylvania 66 Mount St Joseph 44
Bluffton 58 Earlham 49
Franklin 61 Defiance 47
Manchester 63 Anderson 55
Mount St Joseph 58 Transylvania 55
Anderson 50 Manchester 48
Bluffton 59 Earlham 38
Franklin 69 Defiance 62

Seems only natural with this season that no one has picked the same amount of games ;)
FCGG    6-2  13-2
Jester    3-1   9-1
Baldini   3-1   8-3
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 28, 2021, 01:31:48 PM
revamped picks

Franklin

transy

bluffton

defiance


sat

franklin

bluffton

anderson

sun

transy
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 28, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
Thursday
Hanover @ Franklin

Friday
Earlham @ Transylvania
Bluffton @ Manchester
Anderson @ Defiance

Saturday
Franklin @ Hanover
Manchester @ Bluffton
Defiance @ Anderson

Sunday
Transylvania @ Earlham
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2021, 08:27:34 PM
This Franklin game is rough... got off to a 12-5 start... all Hanover since. Through 3 quarters Franklin losing the turnover battle 20-9... points off turnovers 21-2 in favor of the Panthers. Hanover only leads 45-37 though so not out of it yet.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 28, 2021, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2021, 08:27:34 PM
This Franklin game is rough... got off to a 12-5 start... all Hanover since. Through 3 quarters Franklin losing the turnover battle 20-9... points off turnovers 21-2 in favor of the Panthers. Hanover only leads 45-37 though so not out of it yet.

Down to a 2 point game.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 28, 2021, 08:47:34 PM
Never a doubt, Grizz.  ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2021, 08:48:38 PM
Franklin scored 28 points in the first 27:50 of the game... they took exactly 10 minutes to score the next 29.
63-54 final. Grizzlies outscore Hanover in the 4th quarter 26-9 :o
Title: Re: HCAC
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 29, 2021, 09:10:38 PM
Added Saturday game,

Transylvania @ Anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2021, 09:30:56 PM
Brianna Gillig scored 41 points to lead Bluffton over Manchester, 85-68. That gives her the single game record for both the Bluffton women (previously 33), and the HCAC (previously 40).

She hit 15-25 from the floor (including 2-4 from 3-pt range), and 9-10 from the FT line.

She also found time to pull in a game-high 10 rebounds.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 29, 2021, 11:31:10 PM
Defiance and earlham  out 2 weeks due to Covid

Rose players got out yesterday   Kid is doing great and has recovered.   Anderson games still questionable for next weekend I think it depends on if enough players.  My daughter will be out as the only player along with the teammate who was the original positve  has to wait t2 weeks to take ekg
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 30, 2021, 12:50:36 AM
I'll take Transy in Ravens-Pioneers III
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 30, 2021, 10:41:32 PM
First win by anderson over transylvania since 2011. it really is open this  year more bad news for rose.  One of their top freshman decided to not keep playing this year didnt want to be quarantined  but said she will be back next year.

Have to give a shout out to MIAC fans and  to one of my players i coached and played with my daughter during her youth.  Jaiden Klein who is a freshman at Hamline in the MIAC. She scored 15 pts today in her first game.  also a good game by kahlans high school teamamtes who also play for Hamline Sarah Loken and Sophie Findell.  They came up short but it was thier first game.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 02, 2021, 08:24:03 PM
News on Rose.  They will be playing Anderson this week.  Jester is out both games due to Covid rules Wilson is out Thursday but might be able to play Saturday
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 04, 2021, 01:04:17 PM
picks


today

rose wins over anderson

Friday

defiance

mt s t joe

fanklin

hanover

sat

rose

bluffton

franklin

hanover

manchester

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2021, 06:16:46 PM
2/4
Rose-Hulman @ Anderson

2/5
Manchester @ Defiance
Bluffton @ Mount St. Joseph
Franklin @ Transylvania

2/6
Anderson @ Rose-Hulman
Mount St. Joseph @ Bluffton
Transylvania @ Franklin
Defiance @ Manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 04, 2021, 06:26:16 PM
2/4
Rose-Hulman @ Anderson

2/5
Manchester @ Defiance
Bluffton @ Mount St. Joseph
Franklin @ Transylvania

2/6
Anderson @ Rose-Hulman
Mount St. Joseph @ Bluffton
Transylvania @ Franklin
Defiance @ Manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 04, 2021, 11:29:05 PM
Last week's results
Franklin 63 Hanover 54
Bluffton 85 Manchester 68
Hanover 68 Franklin 60
Anderson 60 Transylvania 52
Bluffton 78 Manchester 60

Conference records (only teams to play 6 games are Bluffton and Manchester)
Bluffton 6-0
Franklin 4-1
Hanover 3-1
Transylvania 3-2
Mount St Joseph 1-1
Anderson 2-3
Manchester 1-5
Defiance 0-4
Earlham 0-2
Rose-Hulman 0-1



FCGG    3-2  16-4
Jester    3-1   12-2 (no pick for the last minute Anderson-Transylvania addition [probably good since no one was right])
Baldini   3-2   11-4
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 05, 2021, 08:10:20 PM
Franklin I'm just starting to watch game what the hell happened lost by 34
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 05, 2021, 08:16:21 PM
I picked Anderson over transy that's will I was bragging
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 05, 2021, 08:32:46 PM
That must be a old score I saw they are losing by 23 with 5 min to go
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 05, 2021, 09:58:23 PM
A lot like the first Hanover game but without flipping the switch the final 12 minutes. Grizzlies down 8-0 halfway through the 1st... got as close as 2, but gave up a 6-0 run in the final minute to be behind 17-8 after the 1st. Cut the lead back to 4 with under 3 1/2 left in the 2nd but again Transy ends with a 14-5 run to stretch it out. Lead never got under double digits after that.
27 turnovers, 1/12 behind the arc, 12/25 at the line. Only 8 of 17 from shots within a couple feet. Just a terrible game all around. One thing they did well was rebound... outrebounded Transy 46-31 and had 20 offensive rebounds. But couldn't hold on to the ball and couldn't find the net.
Both losses have been on the road so maybe returning to Spurlock will get them back on track tomorrow.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 11, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
2/11
Mount St. Joseph @ Franklin

2/12
Transylvania @ Hanover
Earlham @ Defiance
Anderson @ Bluffton
Rose-Hulman @ Manchester

2/13
Franklin @ Mount St. Joseph
Bluffton @ Anderson
Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
Defiance @ Earlham

2/14
Hanover @ Transylvania
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 12, 2021, 03:49:45 PM
i swear i fdont know the score but count if you want if im right

I owuld have picked franklin
earlham
hanover
bluffton
rose i have inside info that someone promised me a big night in scoring column

then sat

franklin
anderson
defiance
then transy
rose
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 12, 2021, 10:42:05 PM
Good win by rose tonight.   They still ha e that one quarter offensively where you just shake your head.   Good game by the kid in her first game back from Covid
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2021, 12:07:18 AM
2/13
Franklin @ Mount St. Joseph
Bluffton @ Anderson
Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
Defiance @ Earlham

2/14
Hanover @ Transylvania
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2021, 12:24:22 AM
Last week's results
Anderson 56 Rose-Hulman 43
Manchester 71 Defiance 59
Mount St Joseph 72 Bluffton 69 OT
Transylvania 76 Franklin 51
Anderson 54 Rose-Hulman 43
Mount St Joseph 61 Bluffton 55
Transylvania 62 Franklin 55
Manchester 57 Defiance 51


Conference records (Hanover wins the week by not playing)
Hanover 3-1
Mount St Joseph 3-1
Bluffton 6-2
Transylvania 5-2
Franklin 4-3
Anderson 4-3
Manchester 3-5
Earlham 0-2
Rose-Hulman 0-3
Defiance 0-6


FCGG    5-3   21-7
Baldini   5-3   16-7
Jester    2-6   14-8
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2021, 12:27:37 AM
Good news for those who prefer in person watching (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/2/9/general-hcac-update-regarding-covid-19-jan-9-2021.aspx)

QuoteIn an announcement made prior to the first championships of the 2020-21 academic year, the Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference (HCAC) adjusted its current fan policy as it relates to attendance at indoor athletic events on its member institutional campuses following a vote of the Council of Presidents.

The Council of Presidents unanimously agreed that attendance of spectators at HCAC indoor competitions will be left to the discretion of each host institution; however, each institution will honor any visiting institution's stated desire to compete in an arena with limited or no spectators.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 13, 2021, 12:44:38 AM
Not really good news.  Rose was only letting senior parents come this weekend and no one next.  When I contacted Manchester to se their rules it was the same 

Hopefully they will allow parents at tournament but I'm not holding my breath
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 16, 2021, 09:53:23 PM
2/18
Transylvania @ Bluffton
Hanover @Anderson

2/19
Franklin @ Manchester
Defiance @ Mount St. Joseph
Earlham @ Rose-Hulman

2/20
Anderson @ Hanover
Bluffton @ Transylvania
Manchester @ Franklin
Mount St. Joseph @ Defiance

2/21
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 18, 2021, 08:05:06 AM
2/18
Transylvania @ Bluffton

2/19
Hanover @Anderson
Franklin @ Manchester
Defiance @ Mount St. Joseph
Earlham @ Rose-Hulman

2/20
Bluffton @ Transylvania
Manchester @ Franklin
Mount St. Joseph @ Defiance

2/21
Anderson @ Hanover
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 18, 2021, 08:13:48 AM
Last week's results
Franklin 69 Mount St Joseph 52
Transylvania 87 Hanover 67
Bluffton 58 Anderson 45
Defiance 52 Earlham 49
Rose-Hulman 52 Manchester 39
Mount St Joseph 82 Franklin 70
Anderson 57 Bluffton 50
Manchester 43 Rose-Hulman 38
Defiance 64 Earlham 56
Transylvania 99 Hanover 78


Conference records
Transylvania 7-2
Bluffton 7-3
Mount St Joseph 4-2
Franklin 5-4
Anderson 5-4
Hanover 3-3
Manchester 4-6
Defiance 2-6
Rose-Hulman 1-4
Earlham 0-4


Baldini   7-3   23-10
FCGG     1-4   22-11
Jester    5-4   19-12
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 18, 2021, 03:23:39 PM
Transy over bluffton  both games
Hanover over Anderson  both games
Franklin over manchester   both games
Mt st joe over defiance both games
Rose over Earlham  both games


Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2021, 05:22:18 PM
End of the regular season. 48 out of a possible 60 games were played with Bluffton and Manchester getting the full 12. On to the conference tournament.
As wildly different as we were week to week with picks we finished remarkably close for the season.

Last week's results
Bluffton 72 Transylvania 68
Hanover 80 Anderson 62
Mount St Joseph 92 Defiance 63
Franklin 57 Manchester 32
Earlham 55 Rose-Hulman 43
Transyvlania 74 Bluffton 57
Franklin 69 Manchester 57
Mount St Joseph 75 Defiance 68
Hanover 53 Anderson 45
Rose-Hulman 54 Earlham 47


Conference records
Mount St Joseph 6-2  .750
Transylvania       8-3  .727
Bluffton             8-4  .667
Franklin             7-4  .636
Hanover            5-3   .625
Anderson           5-6  .455
Manchester        4-8  .333
Rose-Hulman     2-5  .286
Defiance            2-8  .200
Earlham            1-5   .167


FCGG     7-3   29-14   .674
Jester    8-2   27-14   .659
Baldini   4-6   27-16   .628
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 21, 2021, 08:13:49 PM
Nice break for Bluffton.

In a random draw the team seeds are as follows:

No. 1 – Bluffton University
No. 2 – Earlham College
No. 3 – Franklin College
No. 4 – Manchester University
No. 5 – Transylvania University
No. 6 – Mount St. Joseph University
No. 7 – Hanover College 
No. 8 – Anderson University
No. 9 – Defiance College 
No. 10 – Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2021, 09:44:58 PM
HCAC Announcement (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/2/19/hcac-releases-2021-womens-basketball-tournament-draw.aspx)

The opening round will be played Feb. 26-28, depending on the host schools availability. The second round will take place on March 3, at the higher seed. The semifinal round will be hosted on March 6-7, dependent on the host schools availability. The Championship will be played at the highest remaining seed on March 10.


                                  1 Bluffton (8-4)
8 Anderson (5-6)          vs
vs                               8/9
9 Defiance (2-8)

                                  4 Manchester (4-8)
                                  vs
                                  5 Transylvania (8-3)


                                  3 Franklin (7-4)
                                  vs
                                  6 Mount St Joseph (6-2)

                                  2 Earlham (1-5)
7 Hanover (5-3)           vs
vs                               7/10
10 Rose-Hulman (2-5)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 22, 2021, 09:50:30 AM
Bracket challenge?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2021, 12:17:09 PM
I assume we have at least 3 for it... and wouldn't be surprised if that's it. But it's still more activity than the mens board.

Personally I'm curious how far Jester will pick the Engineers to go. Definitely an underdog at Hanover (who they haven't played this year), but if they pull off the win I think they'd be favorites at Earlham. Tough draw being the 10 seed and guaranteed on the road as long as they play.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 22, 2021, 02:55:17 PM
I'll put one up.

                            1 Bluffton

8 Anderson                               1 Bluffton       
      vs                   8 Anderson     
9 Defiance                                                      5 Transylvania

                 4 Manchester
                        vs                     5 Transylvania
                 5 Transylvania
                                                                                                   5 Transylvania
                 3 Franklin
                        vs                     3 Franklin
                 6 Mount St Joseph

                           2 Earlham                                3 Franklin

7 Hanover                                 7 Hanover
   vs                    7 Hanover             
10 Rose-Hulman       

                         

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 22, 2021, 03:00:34 PM
Anderson and Defiance was a tough one for me and I also like Mount St. Joseph a lot, but at Franklin seems like a small edge to Franklin.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 23, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
Have to have some differences or it's not much of a contest. So I'll go with Anderson pulling the upset at Bluffton and *cough* Hanover over Franklin *cough*

                                  1 Bluffton
8 Anderson                vs                                    8 Anderson
vs                               8 Anderson
9 Defiance
                                                                          vs                              5 Transylvania
                                  4 Manchester
                                  vs                                     5 Transylvania
                                  5 Transylvania

                                                                                                             vs                              5 Transylvania
                                  3 Franklin
                                  vs                                    3 Franklin
                                  6 Mount St Joseph
                                                                                vs                          7 Hanover
                                  2 Earlham
7 Hanover                  vs                                   7 Hanover
vs                               7 Hanover
10 Rose-Hulman
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 23, 2021, 05:59:50 PM
                         

Anderson    I pick anderson         blufton vs anderson I pick bluffton
vs defiance

                           manchester vs transylvania     I pick Transyvania   then  pick bluffton


ok a littlle heart voting here but my daughter has been in a bad spot physically but she was back to 32 minutes last game in there win over earlham after playing only 10 in their lost to earlham. she guarder their stud who is quicker and much smaller who ended up with 16 points but with the kid on her she was 2 of 16 from the field. 

So with that said I pick Rose over both Hanover and earlham

I pick mt st joe over franklin and also rose   and then my confrence tournament champion is mt st joe
                       


Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2021, 09:48:22 PM
Anderson with the comfortable 60-41 win against Defiance. They'll head to the other NW Ohio team in Bluffton for round 2.

Rose heads to Hanover tomorrow for the other first round game. Good luck Jester and the Engineers.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 27, 2021, 06:23:15 PM
Well turn out the lights    Some thoughts on game and going forward. Hanover has a ugly style of play but with the ineptitude of rose guards it was effective.   A team with any sort of point guard play would have destroyed that team. They had 15 more shots then Rose at half and yet we're only up 10

One of the things I have noticed in d3 ball.  First staticians at games must be on meth.  They had our 2 guards with only 1 turnover at half I can't even fathom how they saw that

Also I know the rule is 2 fouls and you sit the player for the half but sometimes there is no game left whe. You bring the player back you have already lost it. You should know your players who have basketball iq to protect themselves from getting third foul

Lastly who cares if you score 10 points but you get repeatedly beat on the e other end of the court 

Note on rose.  Some of the smartest women way smarter then  I will ever  be but their desciaion making on the court is 4th grade level. To either they smartten up or they recruit a point who can ball handle and attack and knows how to swing the ball quickly it's going to be more of the same next year. Which is to bad because individually there is a lot of talent but as a team chemistry if they were being graded like in chemistry in school. Would be a resounding F
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 27, 2021, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on February 27, 2021, 06:23:15 PM
Well turn out the lights    Some thoughts on game and going forward. Hanover has a ugly style of play but with the ineptitude of rose guards it was effective.   A team with any sort of point guard play would have destroyed that team. They had 15 more shots then Rose at half and yet we're only up 10

One of the things I have noticed in d3 ball.  First staticians at games must be on meth.  They had our 2 guards with only 1 turnover at half I can't even fathom how they saw that

Also I know the rule is 2 fouls and you sit the player for the half but sometimes there is no game left whe. You bring the player back you have already lost it. You should know your players who have basketball iq to protect themselves from getting third foul

Lastly who cares if you score 10 points but you get repeatedly beat on the e other end of the court 

Note on rose.  Some of the smartest women way smarter then  I will ever  be but their desciaion making on the court is 4th grade level. So either they smartten up or they recruit a point who can ball handle and attack and knows how to swing the ball quickly it's going to be more of the same next year. Which is to bad because individually there is a lot of talent but as a team chemistry if they were being graded like in chemistry in school. Would be a resounding F
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2021, 12:46:42 AM
Didn't catch the game but looking at the boxscore and the glaring numbers are turnovers, offensive rebounds, and FGA. More than double Hanover in TO 29-14 which lead to 29-8 disadvantage in points off turnovers, only 5 offensive rebounds to Hanover's 14, and that all lead to Hanover having 59 FGA to Rose's 36. Surprising the score was even as close as it was. Looks like Barlow was doing everything she could but didn't have enough help.
I'd like to see someone be willing to take charge on offense, too often Rose has extended stretches where they can't score because there's little movement, little help, and end up just forcing a long jumper at the end of the shot clock. It's like nobody wants the ball. I know Rose likes to play a slower tempo but there's a difference between slow and standstill. Be more aggressive. Make the defense work.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2021, 07:41:05 PM
2nd round underway... Transylvania beats Manchester as expected 71-57 while Anderson knocks off Bluffton 62-60. Transylvania will host Anderson in the semifinals.

MSJ @ Franklin just getting underway while Hanover leads at Earlham 39-28 in the 3rd.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2021, 08:18:06 PM
Halftime at Spurlock and MSJ leads 26-21. Last time these two played MSJ led 33-12 after the first quarter... Franklin led 9-8 today.

Hanover wins 69-61 so they'll head to the MSJ-Franklin winner in the semifinals.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2021, 09:18:33 PM
57-54 MSJ holds on. Franklin had a contested 3 in the final seconds and an offensive rebound but couldn't score.


                                  1 Bluffton 60
8 Anderson 60                vs                                8 Anderson
vs                               8 Anderson 62
9 Defiance 41
                                                                          vs                             
                                  4 Manchester 57
                                  vs                                     5 Transylvania
                                  5 Transylvania 71

                                                                                                                                         
                                  3 Franklin 54
                                  vs                                    6 Mount St Joseph
                                  6 Mount St Joseph 57
                                                                                vs                         
                                  2 Earlham 61
7 Hanover 56                 vs                                 7 Hanover
vs                               7 Hanover 69
10 Rose-Hulman 40
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on March 04, 2021, 02:14:43 PM
good game and team for you franklin.. will be interesting to see how mt st joe does next year have they lose there studs unless they come back for 5th year
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 04, 2021, 08:28:08 PM
Good call on the Anderson over Bluffton pick Grizz. I didn't think they could muster up enough offense to get the job done. Good job you and good job them.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 08, 2021, 04:13:48 AM
Two good matchups in the semifinals. Now we get a rematch of last year's championship game.


                                  1 Bluffton 60
8 Anderson 60                vs                                8 Anderson 59
vs                               8 Anderson 62
9 Defiance 41
                                                                          vs                                        5 Transylvania
                                  4 Manchester 57
                                  vs                                     5 Transylvania 62
                                  5 Transylvania 71

                                                                                                                                         
                                  3 Franklin 54
                                  vs                                    6 Mount St Joseph 60
                                  6 Mount St Joseph 57
                                                                                vs                                  7 Hanover
                                  2 Earlham 61
7 Hanover 56                 vs                                 7 Hanover 66
vs                               7 Hanover 69
10 Rose-Hulman 40
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 10, 2021, 10:39:30 PM
For the 3rd straight season, Transylvania takes the HCAC title. They defeat Hanover 69-65.
Game was tied after the 3rd quarter, Hanover had the lead in the final minute but Transy scored the final 5 points to take it.

If only Franklin hadn't lost by 3 to MSJ then my bracket would have been perfect... double ouch.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 11, 2021, 12:00:21 AM
Nicely done Grizz. In a year that was hard to follow, you had your finger on the pulse of the HCAC.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on March 22, 2021, 02:41:59 AM
Well Franklin here is some early insight into next year.  Here is the list of graduates of course they may choose to come back for another year but it will be interesting to see if any do and how many. Over all its not a big  season for seniors with 2 schools having 0.  Here is th elist of graduating minutes and points and percentage of team scorin. Of course there is more then points wit th emost obvious being Transylvanis losing both 6'2 girls.

1. Rose   0

2. Manchester 0

3.Defiance 1    team avg  57   4  percentage loss

Pickens 8 pts 23 min

4.Anderson 1  team avg 55      4 percentage loss 

Hawkins 7pts     27 min

5.Franklin 2    team avg  63       6 percentage loss 

Yant 5 pts 23 min

Frejie 5 pts 19 min

6.Bluffton  team average 64   8 percentage loss

Hemminger  6 pts 20 min

Brock       4 pts 18 min

Perkins    3 pts 17 min

Misre     0 pts   5 min

Newhart  9 pts 30 min

7.Hanover 1    team avg 66     9 percentage loss 

Courtney 14 pt  29 min

8.Earlham  team average 51      10 percentage loss 

Bowling 15 pts 37 min

Stanley 2 pts   10 min

Tenette  2pts 35 min

9. Transylvania  team average 67    17 percentage loss 

walker 9 pts 28 min

jackson   7pts 22 min

hardiman  5 pts   20 min

otero       4 pts   14 min


The team losing th emost scoring percentage wise and probably the best player is

10.MSJ             team avg 66        23 percentage loss 

Haberthy  24 pts 37 min

Fair-Harris  4 pts 29 min

Huff          7 points 20 min




Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 01, 2021, 10:38:14 PM
I dont think i should say the school or the player but rose had a d1 point guard visit who wants to transfer from a western school as she is unhappy with their engineer program.  She played about 12 min a game.  Rumor has it she really enjoyed her visit to Rose and hopefully she comes. With her and if they can convince Nosa to come back they would be pretty dynamite. Congrats to Nosa as she concentrate don track this year with all the covid and totally destroyed people.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 21, 2021, 12:56:45 PM
All-Great Lakes teams (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2020-21/great-lakes-women) announced. Two from the HCAC, and the only non-Jr/Sr named to either team.

Senior guard Maddie Haberthy from Mount St Joseph made 1st team
Sophomore guard Madison Kellione from Transylvania made 2nd team.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 28, 2021, 02:09:36 PM
Really good news for Rose and i believe now they will be able to fight for confrence titles.  the D-1 point guard is transferring and has paid her deposit. I dont want to say th ename to its released by the school but  a really big score for Rose
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 30, 2021, 12:42:11 AM
ok i thinkits safe to say who is transferring to Rose she is no longer listed on the University of Denver roster.  Rowan Hein who  played last year and also had a injury i believe is a 5'10 point guard who has some ppretty amazing accomplishments on the court.   Ypu can see by her assists this is a player who sees th ewhole floor and keeps turnovers to a minium which has been th emain problem for the team and all theie young players.  Rumor ha sit there may be anothe california player coming who is also of D-1 talent . Her eis some bio on Rowan I cant wait to see her play.


2020-21 (FRESHMAN)
Made college debut Nov 25 against Air Force... played in 19 games... started in four... grabbed a total of 24 rebounds, 1.3 per game average... logged 11.9 minutes per game... notched 1.8 points per game.

BEFORE DENVER
Named an Adidas All-American selection, two-time First-Team All-League, team MVP, First Team All-State, Player of the Game for the Valley Championship, and Best of the Best as a sophomore... tabbed the California State Sophomore of the Year in 2018... broke the school record for assists in a season as a junior... averaged 13.3 points per game, 7.1 rebounds per game, and 4.5 assists per game during her high school career... set a Clovis North single-game record with 11 assists.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 30, 2021, 01:03:19 AM
doing some research  i think Rowan was hurt her senior year in high school. The coach who signed and recruited her was let go before the season from what i can tell for insenseitivity. Man i know i didnt spell that correctly.  A new coach came in and looks like as the season went on im just goingoff playing time so this is me just guessing she started not being part of the plan  as you can see the drop off on starts and minutes so maybe she wasnt playing well or the new coaches scheme and her didnt match.  Total speculation  on  my part. I know the reason i heard she chose Rose  was because of dissapointment in the engineering program at denver.   I have been told its really hard for a athelte who wants to do engineering to play d-1  due to the work load they have as engineers and on most teams they will be the only one on the team and dont have help like they would at Rose where every student is dealing with the same workload and share alot odf the same courses.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on April 30, 2021, 07:31:27 PM
Jester1390, I see a partial (conference-only) '21-'22 schedule now up on the RHIT site :
https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/sports/womens-basketball/schedule/2021-22
I think vaccinations are progressing nationally to the point that it seems reasonable to anticipate that regular fans should be let in to all games this fall.
If some goof near me is coughing or sneezing a lot, I'll probably put a mask on my face, regardless of what ailment it may be.
Incidentally, you need not apologize for spelling errors; we've grown to appreciate your cutting-edge creativity in that area. As long as you're not writing prescriptions to be taken to a pharmacy.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 30, 2021, 09:03:35 PM
in defense of myself lol most errors are because lack of typing skills and im to busy basking in my enlightened takes to go and correct them
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 07, 2021, 10:53:22 PM
I don't think there is a right answer but yesterday my 19 year old in great shape and already had Covid  got her vaccination shot. She did so per the ncaa requiring it to play.   Like I said I don't think there is a correct answer it has to be every person. Deciding what's best for them . I myself got it even though I don't like to be shamed to it.  But It was a simple risk and reward for me

But my daughters comment to me was I really hope this doesn't hurt me having kids.  I assured her the risk is minimal but really we don't  know 100 percent and I find it a little infuriating that a sports association is demanding to put something in your body but basketball is a privilege  and not a right so she had to make a choice   I hope for her it was the right one
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Roundball999 on May 08, 2021, 06:19:34 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 07, 2021, 10:53:22 PM
I don't think there is a right answer but yesterday my 19 year old in great shape and already had Covid  got her vaccination shot. She did so per the ncaa requiring it to play.   Like I said I don't think there is a correct answer it has to be every person. Deciding what's best for them . I myself got it even though I don't like to be shamed to it.  But It was a simple risk and reward for me

But my daughters comment to me was I really hope this doesn't hurt me having kids.  I assured her the risk is minimal but really we don't  know 100 percent and I find it a little infuriating that a sports association is demanding to put something in your body but basketball is a privilege  and not a right so she had to make a choice   I hope for her it was the right one

As you say, no easy answers with this.  Near me, more and more of the colleges are announcing that the vaccine will be required for students to return to campus in the Fall.  Of course many K-12 schools and colleges already require a bunch of vaccines for enrollment.  In the end, it may not matter if the NCAA requires it.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 10, 2021, 08:48:36 PM
Well l I can't give a name yet but Rose made a huge step towards contending for conference championship.  They have gotten a commitment  from their top recruit that I have heard has over 15 d-1 offers.  She is a point guard who can play 1 through 4.  Her along with the d-1 transfer is huge steps for the program. The major issue besides youth for this team has been turnovers not trying to knock the current guards which includes my kid.  Turnovers has been their number one issue with about 20 a game.    With these ball handlers it should take away the press from other teams and if they will get 20 to 30 more shots a game that team scoring going up.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 11, 2021, 10:50:01 AM
Ok a little backward info onmy last comment.  Rowen  had multiple D-1 offers. Not sure how many offers this d-1 prospect whose name i think i can share tommorrow but i know is a highly recruited california player.

Also another player a starter at a mid major the last 2 years  and has 3 years remaining maybe transfering as well as she is fed up and wants a ME degree and loves rose.  This just happened so nothing concrete yet.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 18, 2021, 02:39:57 AM
2 coaching changes in the confrence one at earlham and the other at anderson
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Post by: Jester1390 on May 27, 2021, 07:49:43 PM
Well she made her deposit so i can say who i know the program is really exicted about having decide to attend Rose next year . She is as i was told a everything guard out of Los Altos high school in California who had d-1 offers and would have had more  but was making it known she only wanted to go to scholl to be an engineer and scared some schools off.

Jamie Baum is a welcomed addition along with d-1 transfer and fellow guard Rowan Hein


https://www.hudl.com/profile/10408087/Jamie-Baum
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 02, 2021, 02:44:23 PM
thanks to the post from our North Park fan. Rose will b eplaying in the oturnament Nov 19th in chicago along with elmhurst and bethany luthren which is exciotng for me as it will be my daughters first game against players she played against in high school including a incoming freshman who i coached for a ocuple of years and played at my daughters number 1 rival school
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 03, 2021, 08:54:50 PM
well more good news might be coming down the road for Rose.. Another D-1 transfer unhappy with the schools engineering program is considering Rose.  i beleiveits a 5'9 guard who was a junior this past season. cant say the school or the player as i know the team but not the players name but i could figure it out from the majors. Hopefully another peice of the puzzle.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on June 03, 2021, 09:46:07 PM
Don't be too disappointed Jester1390, but since Elmhurst and North Park are in the same conference, they will not play each other in that November 19 & 20 tournament. Therefore Rose-Hulman will not play Bethany Lutheran at North Park.
Your daughter will instead have opportunities to cheer (or offer sarcastic in-game advice to) the familiar Minnesotans.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 04, 2021, 10:28:41 AM
that sucks
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 04, 2021, 07:07:03 PM
Rose non conference update north park tournament as pereviously mentioned also the

Midwest classic with IWU DePauw and WashU

Berea at home tough game
St Mary of the woods on road

Looking for one more non conference
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 06, 2021, 11:53:09 PM
a liitle brag about the daughter congrats on all confrence for academics.

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2021/4/21/general-rose-hulman-leads-hcac-with-38-academic-all-league-performers-2020-21.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2cYo0t0x6lvMYrSevVilZcDo6RVMWSF2e-n2eDTpJoFyy_nfG1aKhGJb8
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 29, 2021, 07:51:46 PM
Rose schedule out and it includes North Park Classic playing North Park on Nov 19th and elmhurst on Nov 20th. I cant say the name yet but after having one divison one guard transfer and getting a commitment from another california guard with numerous d-1  offers. This player is another guard who is a junior has now applied and waiting to see if accepted.  so with those 3 joining the squad and their is a rumor that Igehon might rejoin after crushing everyone this year in track and field if they are able to get her to come back Rose will be one of the top teams in confrence.

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/sports/womens-basketball/schedule/2021-22

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on July 05, 2021, 09:57:11 PM
well some bad news for Rose. The junior d-1 transfer from a midwest school was not accepted. still with the other additions look for a very promising season. Rogk i allready have all my travel set up for north park and Iwu. Hope maybe to see you there.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on July 05, 2021, 10:13:48 PM
Thanks for the warning!  ;D
I may be bicycling to Argentina that week. Ha ha.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on July 13, 2021, 01:25:43 PM
well its only a 2 person class but a dynamite duo should put the confrence and ncca tournament in play for Rose .  And if Nosa Igehon decides to come back and play  they will be a for sure beast.

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2021/7/13/womens-basketball-announces-2021-22-recruiting-class.aspx
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 07, 2021, 09:58:19 PM
well rose depth took a hit as 3 girls decided to concentrate on school and a fourth will be doing her co-op.  when my daughter was being recruited I had concerns of programs that havd 15 plus girls on it. If my daughter had stayed home she was going to Gustavous a really good program  ran by a hall of famer coach.  Other Minnsota schools would attack Coach Kellys program and that she just recruited as many as she could.  I bought this up to her in our talks and she was quite upset by that.

You have to trust your kids  talent and work ethic and I thought my daughter wa sin a good position no matter where she went and how many players on roster but i thought of some other kids i have coached and if we were in the same boat would i want my kid on a huge roster andthe truthfull anwser was no at the time. 

Now after 2 seasons and i beleive its diffrent at Rose due to the high academics everyone is a engineer.. The first flag was that the whole class before my daughters class none came back some transfered to other schools.  My daughters class loss multiple players including a d-1 talend and all confrence as a freshman.

I beleive Rose needs to recruit as many as they can instead of just needs. I have totally flippedon this. If iwas back in parent position of helping my kid there owuld be certain types of schools where I wouldnt worry about a huge roster
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 07, 2021, 10:13:02 PM
Well Transylvania taking a depth hit as well they have posted their roster online. It shows no incoming freshman  and 3 freshman and a sophmore decided not to return
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 07, 2021, 10:36:31 PM
can only go off what i see but i was told by a coach that transy does have a couplke of recruits one that socred over 2000 in high school.

But for the first big name i have seen comong back for the extra year after graduating is MOunt St Joesph all great lakes region player MADDIE HABERTHY.  along with 2 transfers and 6 incoming freshman. The did lose one upperclassman that played alot and one freshman
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 07, 2021, 10:44:36 PM
Anderson has new coach and 2 incoming fresh
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 16, 2021, 03:01:13 AM
Transylvania updated there roster page including 6 freshman
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on September 14, 2021, 02:31:02 PM
well its only open gym. But i have heard from a real inside source.  So  inside she used to live in my house, that the d-1 transfer Hein and the D-1 recruit baum are the real deal.   Cant wait to see how they do against the freshman of the year of 2019 and Berea.  Rose started 5 freshman against them in their first game of their careers and it showed. It will be interesting to see how far they have come since then in the rematch Nov 13th

on some bad news for Rose on depth.  As been the case since my daughter has been on the team.  3 players have decided to not continue playing and to concentrate on studies. Another has a study abroad this season.

I think you will see a version of this lineup   Baum Hein Barlow Jester/ Wilson depending on matchups and  Burnham  but Black can certainly start also   They are little short on depth inside with only Miller as another  true forward to go with Burnham and Barlow but Jester can play all 5 positions so she helps with versatility and i have been told that Baum can play anywhere and also  Hein but  i see them mostly as guards as it will help with turnovers which has been rose number one problem 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on September 20, 2021, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on September 14, 2021, 02:31:02 PM
well its only open gym. But i have heard from a real inside source.  So  inside she used to live in my house, that the d-1 transfer Hein and the D-1 recruit baum are the real deal.   Cant wait to see how they do against the freshman of the year of 2019 and Berea.  Rose started 5 freshman against them in their first game of their careers and it showed. It will be interesting to see how far they have come since then in the rematch Nov 13th

on some bad news for Rose on depth.  As been the case since my daughter has been on the team.  3 players have decided to not continue playing and to concentrate on studies. Another has a study abroad this season.

I think you will see a version of this lineup   Baum Hein Barlow Jester/ Wilson depending on matchups and  Burnham  but Black can certainly start also   They are little short on depth inside with only Miller as another  true forward to go with Burnham and Barlow but Jester can play all 5 positions so she helps with versatility and i have been told that Baum can play anywhere and also  Hein but  i see them mostly as guards as it will help with turnovers which has been rose number one problem

Whom has decided not to play?
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Post by: Jester1390 on September 20, 2021, 03:40:00 PM
I cant even imagine getting this phone call.  all the love and prayers to this young ladies family just no words for such a loss.

Canning-Erin-Action-Photo-and-Headshot
Women's Soccer Freshman Erin Canning Passes Away
9/20/2021 3:30:00 PM

Story Links
It is with immense sadness that Rose-Hulman athletics shares that freshman Erin Canning passed away last night as a result of injuries sustained in an accident that occurred off-campus on Saturday, September 18.

Erin was a first-year Engineering Design student from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. She was also a goalkeeper on the women's soccer team.

Rose-Hulman athletics extends our sincerest condolences during this incredibly difficult time to Erin's family, friends, the entire women's soccer team, and all who knew her.

Out of respect for Erin's family and the women's soccer team, Rose-Hulman athletics will not be posting its standard weekly stories until noon on Tuesday.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on September 20, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
Engine not nearly as important but the players not playing from what i understand is    Shomba,Thomas.Meyers, and Webster is the one studying abroad
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on September 20, 2021, 05:45:53 PM
Sorry to hear about that Rose-Hulman student, Jester1390. My condolences to the RHIT athletics family and to the young lady's family and friends.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on September 21, 2021, 11:52:10 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on August 07, 2021, 09:58:19 PM
well rose depth took a hit as 3 girls decided to concentrate on school and a fourth will be doing her co-op.  when my daughter was being recruited I had concerns of programs that havd 15 plus girls on it. If my daughter had stayed home she was going to Gustavous a really good program  ran by a hall of famer coach.  Other Minnsota schools would attack Coach Kellys program and that she just recruited as many as she could.  I bought this up to her in our talks and she was quite upset by that.

You have to trust your kids  talent and work ethic and I thought my daughter wa sin a good position no matter where she went and how many players on roster but i thought of some other kids i have coached and if we were in the same boat would i want my kid on a huge roster andthe truthfull anwser was no at the time. 

Now after 2 seasons and i beleive its diffrent at Rose due to the high academics everyone is a engineer.. The first flag was that the whole class before my daughters class none came back some transfered to other schools.  My daughters class loss multiple players including a d-1 talend and all confrence as a freshman.

I beleive Rose needs to recruit as many as they can instead of just needs. I have totally flippedon this. If iwas back in parent position of helping my kid there owuld be certain types of schools where I wouldnt worry about a huge roster

Jester, nobody truly understands how insanely difficult the academics are at Rose-Hulman. Up until 4-5am virtually night and basically going straight from class to practice to homework and then to bed for 3-4 hours sleep each night sounds more like Ranger School than college - but that's how it is. If an outside observer could see what a typical day looks like for a Rose student-athlete, combined with the astronomical cost of attendance (I'll bet most players on that team are paying $35-$50K plus AFTER financial aid) they'd wonder how in the world RHIT went 39-1 in their conference from 2016-18 and 56-4 from 2016-2019, not to mention beating Transylvania 9 times in that span, beating IL Wesleyan, DePauw, UT-Dallas, and a throw-in 3-pointer in the last 30 seconds away from taking down Hope in Holland. Not to say there aren't plenty of colleges that are tough, and any student-athlete at any school that cares about their academics is going to have to work hard and make sacrifices (nursing majors come to mind) but it's damn near a miracle what RHIT has achieved in having the athletics program they have.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on September 21, 2021, 01:16:52 PM
Engine  I couldn't agree more I hear from the daughter how brutal it is.  But they get a sense of accomplishment and pride from just getting through it.   lol while writing this i just got a call from her about Thermo Dynamics.  She had a internship with Milken in Kentucky this summer. Flew her on a private plane and paid her housing and pretty well for the summer.   One of the things they told her that they were attracted by her was the fact that she was an athlete. They told her they like athlete's and others who are in outside curriculum because they have to do everything the student has to do but they show with athletics how they can manage time and their workload.

Basketball is important to the players but there is no doubt the classroom comes first and if basketball has to take a backseat at times that is the way it is.  I dont know if the team will be as good as right before Kahlan came when they had the sisters but I think they are going to be pretty good.  If Nosa  had decided to keep playing i think they would win the conference but i think they still have that opportunity
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on September 30, 2021, 12:07:55 AM
Well engine more bad news.  Another player is doing a co op at beginning of season

So now they have 8 players for the start of season

Barlow. Burnham. Jester. Black rudolph.  Peyton. And the 2 new girls
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on September 30, 2021, 09:13:06 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on September 30, 2021, 12:07:55 AM
Well engine more bad news.  Another player is doing a co op at beginning of season

So now they have 8 players for the start of season

Barlow. Burnham. Jester. Black rudolph.  Peyton. And the 2 new girls

What? What is going on?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 03, 2021, 03:48:46 AM
Engine. Noah Wilson and Webster have co ops as does Avery.  There are 4 players on campus that have decided not to keep playimg
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 13, 2021, 01:16:37 AM
Earlham has a new coach and probably the youngest team maybe in the country for a 4 year school.  10 players on roster that includes 6 freshman. Loss 3 senior starters one of the best players in conference Bowling and Newhart and Stanley who the 3 averaged 25 pts a game also underclassman who was 6'1 Quiroz who averaged 9 points a game is also gone.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 13, 2021, 01:27:03 AM
wow Hanover roster is up  and they have 25 players on the roster after graduating one senior their top player 14.2 points a game .  they loss 2 freshman stodgdill and iglehart and a senior thi syear norman. those 3 didnt play a game last year. 10 incoming freshman
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 13, 2021, 01:41:12 AM
wow a huge hit for Manchester as they lose 6'2 sophomore 2nd team all conference Jackson as she transfer to Indiana University Northwest,  loss a freshman Woznick who only played 1 game   they do have 6 incoming frehman
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 13, 2021, 01:48:04 AM
Anderson new coach and i dont know if told some upperclassmen they wont be part of the mix but 3 juniors and a sophomore from last season will not be back all were players in previous coach rotation.  Owens,Clemons,Dubois and Helton    owens was a starter.  he does have 7 incoming freshman
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2021, 03:40:36 AM
10 freshmen on Franklin's roster, haven't looked up anything about them yet.
Lost 4 freshman, a junior, and 2 seniors I think, but top 5 scorers from last year's 7-5 team return.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 19, 2021, 12:34:01 AM
Engine

some good news it appears  wilson will at least be playing weekend games. On a bigger note someone who i have known for years and always tells me the way it is said after the first weekend of practice that its very apparent Hein and Bauer is multi steps up  from the others. that is not to take away from the others but compliments to their talent in her words they pretty much can do what they want on the court and that is coming from one of the best defenders in the conference.   Proof is in the pudding and one if they are that good hopefully they keep playing unlike the previous 2 D1 players from the last 2 years who decided not to keep playing.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 19, 2021, 02:42:56 AM
Im sitting here figuring out airfare to the girls games  and on our local news there was a fight between carolina and viking fans as I am from Minnesota.  I have noticed alot of this going on at sproting events and not to sound to self patting on the back it reminded me 2 years ago I was in Hanover supporting my daughters team  she was out with a concussion but we got to watch the mens game before hand and a player for Hanover caught my attention and for no particular reason except i admired his play I wrote the coach.  If we spent just a  little of our time reaching out and saying what we respect in others as we do about bitching all the time just think how better the world can be.  I have coached alot of boys and girls and they have become men and women and i have alot of things i take pride in on them but this one random response from parents always brings a smile to my face I would like to share for what its worth

Hi Coach

In todays times everyone only writes when they want to complain.  I would like to do the opposite.  I am a dad of  a player from Minnesota for the Rose womans program. I stayed to watch the men's game and i just wanted to share with you how impressed myself and another dad from Kansas thought of your senior #40. I am sure he has always gotten platitudes and I could tell how he was respected by the Rose players.  To watch a player play with such a high basketball IQ combined with athletic ability and I hope he wouldnt take this the wrong way but play old school was just terrific to watch. i dont know what he has planned for his future but i know this he is going to own any mens  or YMCA League

Just wanted to share that his play was appreciated.  Ill be rooting for Rose Friday but looking forward to seeing him play again.

Chris
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 19, 2021, 02:43:29 AM
Their Response

Hi Chris.  In recent days you had sent an email to Coach Jon Miller, head basketball coach at Hanover,  regarding one of his senior players, #40. Coach Miller in turn forwarded your email to his parents; that would be us.  We hope that you don't mind that he shared your email with us.  My husband, myself and Kevin (#40) would sincerely like to thank you for your kind words. It is a rare occasion when a total stranger sees an opportunity to forward a compliment to someone and then takes the time to actually deliver it.  We are so humbled that you recognized Kevin in doing what he loves to do more than anything. He has a passion for basketball that started when he was four. He has always worked hard and taken a blue collar approach to the game.  He has enjoyed the intense rivalry and competition that Hanover and Rose have played these past four years, respecting both the Rose players and their coach, Rusty Loyd. Again, we can't begin to thank you enough for your kind words. We wish you all the best and hop that your daughter enjoys her time at Rose and all of her future endeavors.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2021, 01:54:28 PM
Lexi Riggles, a senior for Hanover has died (https://twitter.com/HanoverCollege/status/1450484375452327942). Cause wasn't mentioned.
She started all 13 games for the Panthers last season.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 19, 2021, 02:48:06 PM
oh my goodness
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 21, 2021, 01:25:49 PM
Engine

I was told   that Baum is easily the most athletic  player  Rose has ever had that she could be on Indiana states roster. And that if she stays healthy she will have a monster career. Hein Immense hi iq who just makes everyone better on the floor and gives them a playmaker to the hoop.  There concern is depth the players will have to be able to long times on the court as of now they only have 7 or 8
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 26, 2021, 11:10:12 AM
Engine

I saw on a Hope team post they have 3 returning 5 year seniors the most i have seen for any team.   Just wanted to let you know dont get your hope up for the current junior class to take the extra year as much i I would love it.  i was told when i brought it up. Oh we will be to busy in our careers.  A testament to Rose each player has  a internship and I believe all of them have already been offered jobs after graduation their senior year. I lose the kid to Virginia this summer after losing her to Kentucky last summer.

A note on Jamie Baum from Rose she played baseball through her high school time and plays for the USA womans baseball team
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 27, 2021, 12:19:03 PM
rankings are out 

2021-22 HCAC Women's Basketball Preseason Poll

1.   Transylvania University (6)   95
2.   Hanover College (2)   86
3.   Mount St. Joseph University (1)   70
4.   Franklin College (1)   66
5.   Bluffton University   65
6.   Anderson University   64
7.   Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology   29
7.   Manchester   29
9.   Defiance College   28
10.   Earlham College   18
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 27, 2021, 12:21:08 PM
players to watch

Rose-Hulman
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Jordan Barlow   JR   Hutchinson, Kan.   Forward
Rose Burnham   JR   South Riding, Va.   Forward
Kahlan Jester   JR   Minneapolis, Minn.   Guard
Nola Wilson   SR   Indianapolis, Ind.   Guard
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 08, 2021, 10:44:11 AM
Engine

Have a report for you on Rose scrimmage vs Indiana State  a pretty good showing against a D-1 team.  Rose was missing their d-1 transfer she is recovering from a foot injury the team is already beat up.   They played well and was hanging the first 10 minutes and then conditioning and the other teams talent took over.  Baum played well and i was told if she was at Indiana state she would get minutes.  Good news they handled their press pretty well  which is  huge improvement for the team and they will be facing a press all game from Berea on Saturday.

My kid is fighting through and playing with Plantar fasciitis the girl is tough at nails already playing through a torn ligament in her non shooting wrist and dislocated hip that they had to pop back in during games.  Good news is she appears to have rediscovered her shot she was hitting 3's in the scrimmage.

They have a volleyball  player joining the squad and she is raw but she already showing she can be a defensive stopper had 6 blocks in the game including stuffing their 6'4 player.

So hopefully they get d-1 player back for berea but for sure the tournament. I have been told they are not sure what to expect anything from we can compete for division to if we cant get enough healthy bodies we could struggle
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 11, 2021, 07:24:59 PM
going to pick a scab  here  when i first  posted on this site i used Transy as short for Transylvania and got roasted by a couple of people and a couple of smites  for somehow becoming a phobia that would trigger people  i just happen to be listening to eastern Kentucky against Transylvania radio broadcast. this is professional radio 92.5 and they have repeatedly referred to them as a Transy.

No apology needed but I thought i would point it out sometimes its not all about what you think it is.   By the way they are more then holding their own against Eastern Kentucky  52-44 with 30 sec left in 3rd quarter
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 11, 2021, 08:13:20 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 11, 2021, 07:24:59 PM
going to pick a scab  here  when i first  posted on this site i used Transy as short for Transylvania and got roasted by a couple of people and a couple of smites  for somehow becoming a phobia that would trigger people  i just happen to be listening to eastern Kentucky against Transylvania radio broadcast. this is professional radio 92.5 and they have repeatedly referred to them as a Transy.

No apology needed but I thought i would point it out sometimes its not all about what you think it is.   By the way they are more then holding their own against Eastern Kentucky  52-44 with 30 sec left in 3rd quarter

Wasn't my dog in the fight, but it was your usage of Trany and not Transy that caused the huff. If a refresher is needed go back to page 24 for details.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 11, 2021, 10:19:39 PM
The pinpoint was same thought process. It was obvious I was shortening the name you chose to be offended even when it was clear the intention. Just my point maybe a transgender person doesn't like transy either and that is how the link was labeled

Look if your always looking to be offended you will find it.  Then when their is a serious situation your just the person who called wolf and no one pays attention
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 12, 2021, 08:54:14 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 11, 2021, 10:19:39 PM
The pinpoint was same thought process. It was obvious I was shortening the name you chose to be offended even when it was clear the intention. Just my point maybe a transgender person doesn’t like transy either and that is how the link was labeled

Look if your always looking to be offended you will find it.  Then when their is a serious situation your just the person who called wolf and no one pays attention

Sorry Jester, but not even close to the same thing.  Maybe it was an honest typing mistake on your part, but don't try to make it someone elses problem.   

Go Google both of those terms - results when you search Transy are all about Transylvania University - in fact @Transy is the Twitter handle of the official University Twitter account. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 12, 2021, 10:58:16 AM
I dont have a problem and there is no maybe to it and im not making it anyone's problem. Thats the point there was never a problem in the first place only if you decided to see one in your  mind.

Cool beans nice little debate but back to basketball it will be terrific to have games in so many places this weekend  and for fans to be able to go
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 12, 2021, 09:41:53 PM
good night for the conference  3-0 tonight    recommend watching the last 29 seconds of the manchester game quite something
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 14, 2021, 06:15:00 PM
Just got back from Indianapolis.  Not big on moral victories but i come away from the 65-61 loss to Berea with huge smile for upcoming season.   Rose played the same team 2 years ago which was the first collegiate game when they had just one senior and all freshman and they lost 71-40 .  2 years later  Berea playing there first game since being in the sweet 16 when it was shut down and 25-4 record they chose not to play last year. They return all 5 starters including Ncaa freshman of the year Hampton.  To Hamptons credit they won the game at the line going 22-24 on free throws some of those free throw attempts i would question by I'm biased leave that to others.

With 2:30 Rose was up 3 and didn't finish it out. Jester had a deep 3 attempt to tie game with a minute to go but it didnt go.  Great across the board team play and while it wasn't always pretty against their press which they are known for. It was night and day better then 2 years ago and it will get only better with Hein the d-1 guard  who sat out this game but will be back for the tournaments If they would have had Rowen they would have won the game.

Baum the highly recruited freshman had a double double but had 7 turnovers and I think Jamie herself would say she will be much better after getting through the nerves of her first game.  You can see the difference athletically  with the other girls on the floor. She should be a solid 15-20 pts a game. The days of scoring in the 40 point range is over for Rose. If Rowen is everything she is touted to be Rose will be fighting for the conference. They have a brutal non conference schedule so North Park is the next test to see how far they have come.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 14, 2021, 06:18:43 PM
Also congrat to the rose-hulman football team for winning the hcac and going to the Ncaa playoff. Its amazing that they find so many high academic student athletes in all sports and compete  so well across the board.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 14, 2021, 06:45:20 PM
I'd love to see the Rose FB team get a playoff win. Heading to DePauw is a winnable game compared to what I expected the bracket to look like.

The Grizzlies looked good in their opener against Olivet. 5 players in double figures, Bailey with 14 and 14. Need to cut down on fouls though... 32 fouls led to 44 FT attempts. Going to be a much stiffer test next weekend when they play Centre and Oglethorpe.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 14, 2021, 09:31:57 PM
Ok I'm assuming these Massey ratings are more realistic once there is a body of games to have berea like 200 something is ridiculous at worst they are top 30 team and I would bet they will be in top 20.   
Rose lost by 3 to them and fell 53 spots
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 14, 2021, 09:57:09 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 14, 2021, 09:31:57 PM
Ok I'm assuming these Massey ratings are more realistic once there is a body of games to have berea like 200 something is ridiculous at worst they are top 30 team and I would bet they will be in top 20.   
Rose lost by 3 to them and fell 53 spots

Berea joined D3 and the USA South Conference in 2018, before that they were a NAIA school. Berea finished the 2018 season 102nd on Massey, 122nd in 2019, 96th in 2020. The USA South in a very weak conference year after year and in the past 8 years has not had a single team in the top 30 no less top 20. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 14, 2021, 10:05:31 PM
C.   No raining on my parade baldini. Lol. I know talent any team in d3 would take Hampton or cross.   Still sticking to this part

Berea has a a special place in American history it was the first university to allow black students to attend even before there was integration  according to the announcers of the game. It was a anti slavery city when slavery was allowed not a history major but the fact that they have free tuition for all their students is pretty amazing and helping low income young adults realize their potential rose lost to them but  they will be a team I'll be rooting for because of the mission of the university and the way their players represented  themselves and their university
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 14, 2021, 10:16:08 PM
When did they make the sweet sixteen?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 14, 2021, 10:37:34 PM
oh my have to give myself a smite i had a dad tell me that yesterday  I should know better  listen but verify they lost to Illinois in first round of tournament. I will point out that  teams starters were all freshman and sophomores against a deep and talented and older team
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 14, 2021, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 14, 2021, 10:37:34 PM
oh my have to give myself a smite i had a dad tell me that yesterday  I should know better  listen but verify they lost to Illinois in first round of tournament. I will point out that  teams starters were all freshman and sophomores against a deep and talented and older team

HaHa, you do a lot of shooting from the hip and hope that the person you are talking to doesn't know what they are talking about. Bethanie Williams, Nakeisha Greene, Briana Lanham were all SR. starters on that Berea team.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 14, 2021, 11:14:14 PM
lol now that on walter and the other announcers on the Indiana network that is what they said.  i wont spite myself on  that one lol
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2021, 04:36:46 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 14, 2021, 09:31:57 PM
Ok I'm assuming these Massey ratings are more realistic once there is a body of games to have berea like 200 something is ridiculous at worst they are top 30 team and I would bet they will be in top 20.   
Rose lost by 3 to them and fell 53 spots
Yeah, I've noticed the rankings are a bit wonky so far this season. It's basically a win and you're ranked high, lose and you're at the bottom regardless of who you play. Possibly a result of last year being strange. Things will look more realistic one we get further into the season I'm sure.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 15, 2021, 07:11:51 AM

Typically, Massey relies on previous years for a certain percentage of the season. I'm not sure the exact number, but those ratings are always a bit questionable until Feb, and they tend to favor conferences that play d2 and d1 games.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on November 15, 2021, 01:15:59 PM
If Massey issues rankings based on games played in previous seasons, the rankings should be labeled multi-season "2019-2022" or "2020-2022", not single-season 2021-22.
If there is such a thing as a "good loss" we won't know that it was one until we see how both teams do throughout the current season.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 16, 2021, 11:52:26 AM
Massey game predictor

Has Rose beating North park 70-68n with 54 percent chance of winning . North Park Beating Bethany 76-73 60 percent       Elmhurst beating Bethany 82-72 81 percent and  also them beating Rose 74-68  72 percent
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 19, 2021, 10:48:07 AM
On the way to Chicago for the north park game tonight. Will be interesting to see how Bethany does vs elmhurst in the 4 pm game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 21, 2021, 01:13:16 AM
Congrats to coach Prevo getting his 200th win.   Rose dominated elmhurst and won by 37 in thier best performance in the last 2 years.   Only 10 turnovers showing what they are capable of doing if they handle the ball.  I don't know if we can win the conference but with finals
Over you can see them mentally relaxing and focusing on basketball. I know they were really pissed they let the berea game go and felt that they took out a couple of stretches against north park they had a chance to win that game.  Big test next week with IWU who might end up regretting picking rose as their first round pick. Only time will tell

Greg and Rog. How would you compare north park to IWU. I told a dad north park was a above average team so to not get discouraged by losing
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on November 21, 2021, 11:23:12 AM
North Park is likely a better team than IWU, at least at this point in the season.
NPU's primary players know exactly what to do in their style of play.
I don't know if IWU has decided which style of play suits their current roster, or what to develop for coming seasons.
IWU's FT attempts may be a clue for analyzing them : 12 and 14 in their losses and 21 in the victory.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 21, 2021, 06:17:29 PM
Huge win for Transylvania on the road against #7 Tufts today. After Tufts took the lead 65-64 with 2 seconds remaining, Transylvania called a timeout and got the game winning buzzer beater by Madison Kellione and the 66-65 victory. Will be a nice ride home tonight for the Pioneers.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 27, 2021, 08:49:43 PM
Great team win for rose in beating IWU in overtime.  Hein and Baum and Barlow plowing the field but the whole team watering it.   Just a great win
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on November 28, 2021, 09:12:55 AM
Was a big day for the HCAC yesterday and another big one today.

Rose-Hulman 69, IWU 64 in OT
Transylvania 67, Berea 47
Manchester 75, Beloit 69

Today's schedule.

Earlham @ Kenyon
Centre @ Hanover
Piedmont @ Transylvania
Rose-Hulman vs. Depauw @ IWU
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on November 29, 2021, 09:21:37 AM
Well - the very first HCAC out of the gate for the Engineers is a gigantic one. Implications for March in a game played in early December.
Haven't seen Transylvania play this year but probably a bit more perimeter-oriented than in year's past.
Only common opponent is Berea, who beat RHIT and lost to Transy by 20.
I don't know if Hein would have made 20 points worth of a difference, but there's no way the Engineers lose to Berea with one more hugely-talented perimeter player of her talent making them pay for pressing.
Transy is good. RHIT has always played well in Lexington, with but one or two exceptions over the past 15 years or so - should be a bare-knuckle, desperate affair - and a lot of fun to watch!
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 29, 2021, 11:33:58 AM
Engine the girls look good. Hein is a difference maker  out of control at times but most of the conference wont be able to stop her. Depauw did a good a job had the athletes to help contain her driving unlike IWU.  Baum is already getting double doubles and is just scratching at the surface at what she can do. Barlow is a huge weapon in the paint.   If Burnham gets back to her consistency in the paint they will be very hard inside.  Jester my favorite player had a terrible start to the Iwu game, Been a long time since i have seen her get beaten so cleanly on back to back possessions like Huber did to her but she got her crap together in the 4th and overtime to help them win. In the depauw game she was back to playing great defense and contributing on the scoreboard .   Rudolph help catapult the win over  IWU with off the chart shooting and 16 points but she still remains a liability in turning over the ball.  Blake and Miller providing productive minutes.  Not sure what is the situation with Wilson she has not played much. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on November 29, 2021, 12:16:09 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on November 29, 2021, 09:21:37 AM
Well - the very first HCAC out of the gate for the Engineers is a gigantic one. Implications for March in a game played in early December.
Haven't seen Transylvania play this year but probably a bit more perimeter-oriented than in year's past.
Only common opponent is Berea, who beat RHIT and lost to Transy by 20.
I don't know if Hein would have made 20 points worth of a difference, but there's no way the Engineers lose to Berea with one more hugely-talented perimeter player of her talent making them pay for pressing.
Transy is good. RHIT has always played well in Lexington, with but one or two exceptions over the past 15 years or so - should be a bare-knuckle, desperate affair - and a lot of fun to watch!

You are correct Enginerd about RHIT always seeming to play well in Lexington, even when RHIT has had a down year. I didn't think this Transylvania team was as talented as some in the past 5-10 years, but they seem to play better as a unit than some of those more individually gifted teams. The win at preseason #7 Tufts was a thing of beauty in teamwork. Add in the two wins this past weekend against Berea by 20 (Jester1390 tells me they are a top 20 team) and Piedmont by 30 who was 26th in preseason voting and they look like a team clicking at the moment.

Transy opens at Franklin before the big showdown with RHIT on Saturday.   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 29, 2021, 12:55:10 PM
ok baldini calm down they are in the rankings with a few votes so dont get to heavy on me lol. And Transylvania beat number 7 so ripping berea for losing to them is not out of question. if Hein had been playing we would have beaten berea.  my main point was that the first game the majority of rose girls ever played they were destroyed and lost by 41 and its 2 year slater and they should have won. I see they lost to alma have no ideal who they are so i will use my right to say bad take lol.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on November 29, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 29, 2021, 12:55:10 PM
ok baldini calm down they are in the rankings with a few votes so dont get to heavy on me lol. And Transylvania beat number 7 so ripping berea for losing to them is not out of question. if Hein had been playing we would have beaten berea.  my main point was that the first game the majority of rose girls ever played they were destroyed and lost by 41 and its 2 year slater and they should have won. I see they lost to alma have no ideal who they are so i will use my right to say bad take lol.

Haha, just a little friendly ribbing was all that was meant Jester. All is good.   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on November 29, 2021, 01:12:19 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 29, 2021, 12:55:10 PM
ok baldini calm down they are in the rankings with a few votes so dont get to heavy on me lol. And Transylvania beat number 7 so ripping berea for losing to them is not out of question. if Hein had been playing we would have beaten berea.  my main point was that the first game the majority of rose girls ever played they were destroyed and lost by 41 and its 2 year slater and they should have won. I see they lost to alma have no ideal who they are so i will use my right to say bad take lol.

Alma is the 5th best team (by coach's poll) in the MIAA, 5-3 noncon record so far
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 29, 2021, 01:33:02 PM
Dont know if it shows anything but the conference is 23-19. I know Rose and Transylvania have played a pretty hard schedule but not sure about the teams the others have played
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 29, 2021, 01:43:41 PM
predictions for this week and weekend

Transylvania over franklin

defiance over Manchester

Saturday

Manchester  over Earlham
Mount saint joe over Anderson
Franklin over Defiance
Hanover over Bluffton
Rose over Transylvania.  as baldini said even 2 years ago we gave them a game and i believe with the length of our perimeter players it might help stem the 3 point shooting advantage they will have.


Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 29, 2021, 05:50:49 PM
Franklin where r u i have been banished back to the desert by the old guard  oh oh here comes another run on sentence . They wanted me to go back to the children's table Ill just have to sit here and do predictions with you and wonder what it would be like to be enlightened oh oh still running on to be not understood when sarcasm is dripping and the wind is at my back as a Rose team rises to new heights and when this page this desolate page that was for such a long time  was unwatered and barely having fruit come from its loins  ohoh im running out of steam on the run on to have it shrivel back to the wasteland it once was  am i to return in 11 years and see that this page like the united east conference has not had a post in 11 years.  I shudder and am saddened  at what could have been but realize the wheel spins as the wheel wants
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 29, 2021, 06:42:03 PM
I'm always lurking. Been focused more on D3 basketball as a whole and football season which is winding down now. Haven't had too much to say so far this season. Grizzlies are last in the conference in turnovers at more than 22 a game but 2nd best in rebounds at 48. Pioneers look like the team to beat, but should be a good fight between Bluffton, Hanover and Rose for the 2nd tier, with Anderson, Defiance, and Manchester looking like the 3rd tier. I think Franklin has the talent to be mid pack but haven't shown it yet.

Wed
Transylvania over Franklin
Defiance over Manchester
Sat
Manchester over Earlham
Anderson over MSJ
Defiance over Franklin
Bluffton over Hanover
Transylvania over Rose
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 29, 2021, 06:51:06 PM
wow you went with anderson interesting what happened with franklin 2 years ago you guys were quite young and athletic
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on November 29, 2021, 06:52:28 PM
I'll play along.

Transylvania over Franklin
Manchester over Defiance

Manchester over Earlham
Transylvania over RHIT
Anderson over MSJ
Defiance over Franklin
Hanover over Bluffton
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on November 29, 2021, 09:08:29 PM
Transylvania is 18th in the poll is week, no other HCAC teams received a vote.   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 29, 2021, 09:29:13 PM
I don't think any other team deserved a vote maybe if we had beaten DePauw would have been worth a vote
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 02, 2021, 12:40:54 AM
Baldini with the early lead. Franklin i watched a lot of the game they had them on the ropes and didn't step on the throat. I hate to say i wasn't overly impressed by Transylvania and then have us  get  rubbed out Saturday but with the length of  the Rose Guards on the  perimeter i think they will have a hard time getting off open 3s like they did against franklin and i think we will kill them on inside matchup.   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 04, 2021, 03:32:24 PM
Tough loss by 7 to Transylvania.  19 fouls shots to 7.  Everything else even in the game see if it changes when they get some home games    Nice that there in every game but they need to stake next step and figuring out how to win
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 05, 2021, 08:29:06 PM
Baldini 5-2
Jester 5-2
FCGG 3-4


December 8th
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham 7:30 PM
   
December 11th
Mount St. Joseph @ Rose-Hulman 1:00 PM   
Franklin @ Manchester 1:00 PM
Transylvania @ Bluffton 1:00 PM
Hanover @ Defiance 2:00 PM
Earlham @ Anderson 3:00 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 05, 2021, 09:50:11 PM

December 8th
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham 7:30 PM
   
December 11th
Mount St. Joseph @ Rose-Hulman 1:00 PM   
Franklin @ Manchester 1:00 PM
Transylvania @ Bluffton 1:00 PM
Hanover @ Defiance 2:00 PM
Earlham @ Anderson 3:00 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2021, 02:22:19 AM
Interesting tid bit   Both the CCIW and HCAC have only one team in top 20 and I believe  HCAC won head to head this year 3-2  Rose played according to massy current the number 12 team Depauw
the number 21 team Transylvania the number 43 team North park and the number 72 IWU pretty tough schedule. This Wednesday hopefully jus t a nice relaxing game like elmhurst.

Picks
8th
Rose

11th
Rose
Franklin
Transylvania
Hanover
Anderson
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 06, 2021, 02:48:19 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 04, 2021, 03:32:24 PM
Tough loss by 7 to Transylvania.  19 fouls shots to 7.  Everything else even in the game see if it changes when they get some home games    Nice that there in every game but they need to stake next step and figuring out how to win

Did you go to the game in Lexington, Jester?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2021, 03:20:29 PM
yes i did nice gym
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 06, 2021, 03:37:38 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 06, 2021, 03:20:29 PM
yes i did nice gym

Guess that was you sitting behind the RHIT bench and talking to 2 young ladies periodically?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2021, 06:28:30 PM
That was Hannah Woody and her mom. Hannah was the senior captain when the girls were freshman. just a example of just how great jobs are for the girls when they graduate at Rose. working for a defense contractor in Ohio.  I told her i had a secret clearance in the military i asked if she had  top secret and she said higher. couldn't talk about what she does.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 08, 2021, 01:54:02 PM
December 8th
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham 7:30 PM
   
December 11th
Mount St. Joseph @ Rose-Hulman 1:00 PM   
Franklin @ Manchester 1:00 PM
Transylvania @ Bluffton 1:00 PM
Hanover @ Defiance 2:00 PM
Earlham @ Anderson 3:00 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 08, 2021, 08:51:25 PM
Went to take a look at the score of the Rose-Earlham game... geez. 40-14 at halftime. In a span of about 10 1/2 minutes spanning the 1st and 2nd quarters, the game went from tied 2-2 to Rose 31-3

The stats from that 29-1 stretch...
29-1
7:41 1st - 7:18 2nd (10:23)
Rose-Hulman Institute Technology Stats
FG: 11-18;3PTR: 3-5;FT: 4-5;BLK: 0;TO: 1;STL: 0;
Earlham Stats
FG: 0-10;3PTR: 0-4;FT: 1-4;BLK: 0;TO: 4;STL: 0;
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on December 08, 2021, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 06, 2021, 06:28:30 PM
That was Hannah Woody and her mom. Hannah was the senior captain when the girls were freshman. just a example of just how great jobs are for the girls when they graduate at Rose. working for a defense contractor in Ohio.  I told her i had a secret clearance in the military i asked if she had  top secret and she said higher. couldn't talk about what she does.

A prof from Rose will be on Jeopardy tomorrow nite; didn't catch her name or department in the tease.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 09, 2021, 12:58:54 PM
Going to be a long year for earlham.   Hein sat most of t eh first half with 2 fouls or it would have been worse.  I never saw the rose team that was right before my kids with the sisters.  I think we are back to that level but not 100 Pete be ton that.  I think Transylvania is better more welll rounded then back then. So hopefully the days of remember the sisters teams how great they were will be replaced by these girls making their legacy the next 2 years they will ha e the ability to beat Transylvania in the playoffs but it would help greatly to have game at home. They also have to show they can beat Hanover and Franklin and they can step on a couple of other teams

But rose is done being an easy win the freshman have grown up
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 09, 2021, 02:59:27 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 09, 2021, 12:58:54 PM
Going to be a long year for earlham.   Hein sat most of t eh first half with 2 fouls or it would have been worse.  I never saw the rose team that was right before my kids with the sisters.  I think we are back to that level but not 100 Pete be ton that.  I think Transylvania is better more welll rounded then back then. So hopefully the days of remember the sisters teams how great they were will be replaced by these girls making their legacy the next 2 years they will ha e the ability to beat Transylvania in the playoffs but it would help greatly to have game at home. They also have to show they can beat Hanover and Franklin and they can step on a couple of other teams

But rose is done being an easy win the freshman have grown up
The Franklin men went through a similar thing a few years ago. Had a team that was pretty much all fresh/soph but by the time they were all juniors and seniors they were battling at the top of the conference. Shared the regular season crown in 2020, won the conference tournament last year.

Looks like Rose should easily make the conference tournament this year and probably fight for somewhere between the 2 and 4 seed. Next year though they should be a force
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 11, 2021, 02:52:14 PM
Another nice win for rose against a team they only scored 29 points against 2 years ago    They held the pre all American Habernathy to  a quiet 16 points in their 76-63 victory. Jamie Baum will be an all American down the road
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 11, 2021, 07:53:42 PM
Rose-Hulman 75 Earlham 42
   
Mount St. Joseph 63 Rose-Hulman 76
Franklin 76 Manchester 54
Transylvania 64 Bluffton 50
Hanover 67 Defiance 71 OT
Earlham 48 Anderson 91


Jester  5-1  10-3
Baldini 4-2  9-4
FCGG  5-1  8-5


Conference standings
Transylvania    3-0 (8-0)
Manchester      2-1 (5-2)
Franklin        2-1 (4-3)
Rose-Hulman     2-1 (4-4)
Defiance        2-2 (5-3)
Hanover         1-1 (4-3)
Anderson        1-1 (4-5)
Mount St Joseph 1-2 (3-4)
Bluffton        0-2 (2-4)
Earlham         0-3 (0-8)


Conference games (final conference games until January)

December 15th
Rose-Hulman @ Hanover 7:30pm

December 18th
Hanover @ Anderson 2pm
Mount St Joseph @ Bluffton 2pm
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 12, 2021, 03:03:23 PM
Wow huge news for Rose. The all conference freshman from 2 years ago who left to concentrate and has been dominating track. Has asked to rejoin the team.  Nosa is another great athletes and rebounding machine and defensive force.  I believe if she had been playing all season. Rose could be undefeated maybe still a loss against DePauw

They already had depth at guard but now along with the development of fultz they have a 3 headed monster every game with Baum igehon and hein. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 12, 2021, 03:05:11 PM
Picks

Rose
Hanover
Mt st joe
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 12, 2021, 04:07:23 PM
December 15th
Rose-Hulman @ Hanover 7:30pm

December 18th
Hanover @ Anderson 2pm
Mount St Joseph @ Bluffton 2pm
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 12, 2021, 10:21:39 PM
Nosa averaged 9 points and 8 rebounds  2 years ago on a team that averaged about 48 points a game. 

Now with them scoring 65 and better guard play she should be even more of a terror inside.  Not sure if she will play in Hanover game
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 13, 2021, 06:06:43 PM
Jester do you think the addition of Igiehon will make that big a difference? RHIT doesn't seem to want to throw the ball inside and their guards are doing most of the scoring. I do remember her being pretty good defensively.
Do you think this will help them beat Transy? It might take a month before she's ready to help much.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 13, 2021, 09:41:11 PM
She will help big time. He wants to pound it in. The reason Baum is scoring so much teams are packing the lane and the 3 pointers have been wide opens    Hein is great in the lane getting her shot off.  They already are a strong team rebounding now they will be exceptional l there will be no fall off when lineup changes.   The biggest difference is no one can press them anymore and turnovers are way down
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2021, 05:34:08 PM
December 15th
Rose-Hulman @ Hanover 7:30pm

December 18th
Hanover @ Anderson 2pm
Mount St Joseph @ Bluffton 2pm
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 15, 2021, 05:43:46 PM
Engine I think nosa will play tonight. My kid said she was dominating yesterday in the paint.  She is a freak athlete she is in terrific shape from track. From what i understand she missed the girls and  being with them.  My kid is starting in the post tonight. Rose is sick at least as of yesterday. Wilson will start at guard. Kid has never played offensively in the post but has the size to do so maybe will help her with scoring. you will see her rebounds go up now she's not guarding perimeter
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 15, 2021, 07:12:29 PM
Engine

Looks like nosa did not make the trip. And rose stayed home sick.    The kid will have to get it done in the paint. Barlow needs to get back to her scoring self
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 15, 2021, 08:15:08 PM
Great start rose up 43-28 at half.  Kid is playing great defense in post has 3 block shots but should have 5and is leading the team in rebounding. Looks like she's enjoying not chasing the little
Ones around on the perimeter
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 15, 2021, 09:04:00 PM
Rose making statement with 21 point win on road. Without burnham and nosa not playing yet. 74-53 was up 28 at one point before final against Hanover
Couple of min
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 15, 2021, 11:18:18 PM
also the days of pressing Rose into multiple turnovers is over. not only did they break the press but they attacked the press. I dont think you will see any teams try to press in future
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 16, 2021, 06:48:07 AM
Wow - Defensively RHIT looked fantastic. First time since their great 2015-2109 teams that this group has looked like that on the defensive end. Truly elite or near-elite-level defense out there. RHIT les for all but 4 minutes of the game and held Hanover scoreless for long stretches like they used to do with everyone. Pretty exciting stuff. Once they get Igiehon's defense and rebounding they will be a nightmare. Too bad it took them this long to gel - there's no way the team that beat Hanover last night loses to anyone this year other than perhaps DePauw.
Looks like RHIT held Hanover to -10 rebounds under their season average. On the road and without Burnham. What a two-headed monster with Baum and Hein in the backcourt! All the perimeter players played well and you're right, Jester, the days of simply pressing RHIT into oblivion are over - they now have the personnel to make teams pay dearly for it.
Two huge games coming back off the break - home vs. Franklin and on the road at Bluffton - but cannot wait to see Transy again. Sure wish they could have that North Park game back as well - they'd never lose to them again.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RogK on December 16, 2021, 11:19:38 AM
North Park has agreed to rescind their 58-48 victory over RHIT and instead show an 87-14 RHIT win for the official records.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 12:34:22 PM
north park would now lose to Rose with the addition of Igehon
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 12:43:53 PM
First time Engine they have put my kid in the post on continual basis guarding post.  She is 3rd all time on her high school teams in blocks but hasnt shown that in college as she has been shutting down 3 point shooters.   She had 3 blocks but if they knew how to keep stats not just in their games  but all games she would have 6 blocks.  Head coach told her after some very nice things about her play and how she affects the game without scoring even though it would be ok to score a little.  The kid is very good at not swatting down and just being tall. She also stopped 2 breakaways without fouling and positioning her body to make it difficult. These are the things a dad brags about when they average 5 points.

It does however bring up the point i have made earlier what is more valuable a player who makes 16 on 5 -21 shooting and is  a defense liability or a 6 pt  player on 3-5 of shooting but is a shut down defender. Again as i tell my daughter you can be both but i  have come to accept she will just be an all-round player in this system

The  thing with them you just dont know who will have a huge night. last night black and Wilson came up big and Hein and Baum were secondary scorers
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 16, 2021, 01:56:51 PM
Quote from: RogK on December 16, 2021, 11:19:38 AM
North Park has agreed to rescind their 58-48 victory over RHIT and instead show an 87-14 RHIT win for the official records.

RHIT is better - much better than they were on November 9th - especially with Hein fully healthy and their rotations sorted out - I wish they could have a couple of those games back - but it is what it is. NP is scrappy and had the better team on November 19th.

I wouldn't be shocked to see NP finish in the top 3 or 4 of the CCIW if not higher with 17-20 wins overall - especially since they have 14 home games. This is their best team in a while talent-wise IMO.

I vividly recall the last time RHIT played NP - They always play well in that gym and played RHIT VERY tough in 2016-17 when they were just a one-trick pony with Liz Rehberger.  RHIT finished 24-4 with wins over Texas-Dallas and Chicago - both NCAA tournament teams that year - and RHIT were fortunate to escape NP with a 59-55 win. Outside their losses to DePauw and two CCIW teams in 2016-17 (IWU and Wheaton in the NCAA's) nobody played RHIT tougher than NP.

RHIT is just getting started. Once they get Igiehon up to speed and worked into the rotation they will be a tough out - I had forgotten she averaged almost 10 points to go along with 8.3 rebounds per game (including a 21-rebound game vs. Anderson) and 46 blocks as a Freshman. RHIT already has a +10 rebounding margin on the season BEFORE getting her back.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2021, 07:47:42 PM
In a battle of top 11 teams, Transylvania takes down John Carroll 83-75 to improve to 9-0. Pioneers led 23-5 after the 1st quarter.
Madison Kellione went off for 33 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds while Laken Ball and Kennedi Stacy both had double doubles. The big difference came at the free throw line with the Pioneers shooting 27 of 34 while John Carroll was just 11 of 13.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 20, 2021, 07:59:26 PM
Took in the John Carroll at Transylvania game today and was not disappointed. John Carroll has a very experienced team that starts 3 grad students and 2 Sr.'s that make very few mistakes on the court, but some cold shooting to start the game got them in a hole that they just could not overcome. Transy was paced by Madison Kellione with 33 points and an excellent all-around game by Laken Ball with 19 points and 13 rebounds on their way to a very impressive 83-75 win in the end.   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 20, 2021, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2021, 07:47:42 PM
In a battle of top 11 teams, Transylvania takes down John Carroll 83-75 to improve to 9-0. Pioneers led 23-5 after the 1st quarter.
Madison Kellione went off for 33 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds while Laken Ball and Kennedi Stacy both had double doubles. The big difference came at the free throw line with the Pioneers shooting 27 of 34 while John Carroll was just 11 of 13.

John Carroll was down 17 at the end of the 3rd and was forced to foul late to try to get back into it, Transylvania shot 20 FT's in the 4th quarter alone. Long 4th period.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 08:25:16 PM
Franklin what happened to your team tonight. Side note I met a Franklin player Gibson he roster plays for earlham. Very nice kid along with her mom 



Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2021, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 08:25:16 PM
Franklin what happened to your team tonight. Side note I met a Franklin player Gibson he roster plays for earlham. Very nice kid along with her mom
Albion is a pretty good team, 10-1 on the season now. I expect they'll be in the mix for the MIAA title with Trine and Hope.
Grizzlies shot 13 of 54 from the field, 1 of 14 from 3, and lost turnover battle 26-10. Just a dismal day all around.

They're off until the 29th when they make the short trip to Greencastle for the DePauw tournament. Should be a close first game against Piedmont, the other games are more clearcut. DePauw should cruise against MSOE, DePauw beats Franklin/Piedmont winner, Franklin/Piedmont loser probably beats MSOE.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on December 21, 2021, 05:29:48 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 08:25:16 PM
Franklin what happened to your team tonight. Side note I met a Franklin player Gibson he roster plays for earlham. Very nice kid along with her mom 





Albion is a VERY good team; Massey had them as 19 point favorites over Franklin with a 95% probability of the win.  Would have been quite an upset if Franklin won.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 21, 2021, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 20, 2021, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2021, 07:47:42 PM
In a battle of top 11 teams, Transylvania takes down John Carroll 83-75 to improve to 9-0. Pioneers led 23-5 after the 1st quarter.
Madison Kellione went off for 33 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds while Laken Ball and Kennedi Stacy both had double doubles. The big difference came at the free throw line with the Pioneers shooting 27 of 34 while John Carroll was just 11 of 13.

John Carroll was down 17 at the end of the 3rd and was forced to foul late to try to get back into it, Transylvania shot 20 FT's in the 4th quarter alone. Long 4th period.

Transy always shoots a lot of foul shots at home. They are extremely comfortable there - when you think about it every  significant win they've had over the past half-dozen years other than their win over Tufts - has been at home.
...and RoundBall you could not be more correct - Albion is very good and so is Alma this year. Alma could have beaten DePauw but for a cold stretch in the 4th quarter. Hope is so outrageously, ridiculously good that the rest of the MIAA gets overshadowed a bit - but there's some really good Women's basketball going on in that league.
Not about to make any predictions but should be a good game when Transy goes to Terre Haute.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 23, 2021, 02:23:58 PM
Merry Christmas all my fellow HCAC people. and even to all of you who smite me lol.  Saying i want to watch the worse 2 teams on Massey play each other is not a bad thing its akin to not  being able to turn your head during a car accident.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 23, 2021, 03:09:46 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 23, 2021, 02:23:58 PM
Merry Christmas all my fellow HCAC people. and even to all of you who smite me lol.  Saying i want to watch the worse 2 teams on Massey play each other is not a bad thing its akin to not  being able to turn your head during a car accident.

Merry Christmas to you also Jester!
As someone who has given you several +1's, I will say you sometimes don't make life easy on yourself with some of your comments. They do not bother me, but in the current world we live in there are many that will not give you a pass. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 23, 2021, 04:30:22 PM
its all good. like i told a young lady one time when i myself was 18 and was in downtown Minneapolis waiting for a bus in my blues and there was  a group protesting bombers in Alaska because of eagles. She came up to me and spit on me.  Now i would say i wasn't the most mature of 18 years old at the time but for some reason I didnt get mad. I just said to her do you know how lucky you are to live in a country where you can spit on the person who fights for you to be able to do that.  That in a lot of countries they would just shoot in you in the head if you did that.  She looked at me dropped her poster and left the protest.  I don't agree with a lot of the wokness  now days I dont agree with women being pushed out of spots in sports after fighting so hard to get them. i dont agree with kneeling but I also know this I fought so you can do all those things I disagree with you on.  The difference is Im not offended by your opinions. I dont want to cancel or shame you I dont want to   destroy you. I dont believe im better then you because of my beliefs.

A lot of people in this world don't know freedom they cant be mad and offended. I'm grateful I live in a country where no matter how i feel about a subject and how foolish i may see another opinion we get to have that and people are willing to fight and serve to keep that right.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 23, 2021, 04:31:40 PM
Baldini

one last thing who decides what should pass in the end who watches the watchers
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2021, 02:21:43 PM
watching the kenyon vs mt st joseph   and kenyon players are all wearing masks playing but all have under their chins. this stuff is beyond stupid
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2021, 03:39:07 PM
franklin 8 secs left tied game what a great time out by the player for MSOE
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2021, 03:44:32 PM
oh my god franklin they played the last 8 seconds so bad but bail themselves out with a 3 at the buzzer for overtime
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2021, 04:00:56 PM
Tough loss Franklin. Also it looked like Nix was hurt with a knee and their was another player who looked worse off but had her warmup on so not sure who that was.   That was a feisty engineering team and now a bigger faster group of engineers are on Franklins docket.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2021, 10:33:09 PM
Franklin more bad news for your team the player hurt who didn't dress was cross
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 31, 2021, 01:20:04 PM
just make to official im sure we are all going the same way   I have franklin over earlham on saturday AND TRANSYLVANIA  AMD BLUFFTON ON SUNday
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 31, 2021, 07:46:34 PM
Franklin @ Earlham - Cancelled.

Transylvania @ Manchester - Transylvania win by forfeit according to the HCAC site.

Bluffton @ Anderson - game is still on for now.

Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 01, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
I'll take Bluffton if they play.

QuoteOriginally scheduled for New Year's Day, Saturday's Franklin women's basketball contest at Earlham has been canceled and will not be made up. Per HCAC guidelines, the Franklin women's basketball team has been awarded a victory via forfeit and now sits at 5-6 on the year with a 3-1 record in conference play.

QuoteDue to COVID protocols with the Manchester University women's basketball program, the scheduled game between Manchester and No. 6/11 Transylvania women's basketball at Manchester University on Sunday, January 2 has been cancelled.

Per the Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference policies, the game will be marked as a forfeit by Manchester and will not be rescheduled.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 01, 2022, 02:53:03 PM
Franklin I watched how nix got hurt. She got rolled up on and also hit in the head but it looked like just the knee was bugging her she was walking on it. i told the kid about it and she felt bad for her said she is really nice.  Im not sure what happened to cross she didnt get hurt in her last game so it must have been practice
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 01, 2022, 03:11:56 PM
She missed an entire year with a knee injury didn't she? I hope it's nothing serious. She plays hard and with a lot of joy. You can tell the kid loves to play basketball and is a competitor.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 01, 2022, 09:12:10 PM
ok engine and franklin lets forget the Illinois rat pack.   Rose had a person test positive for covid today.   There policy has been not to test vaccinated players but the administration wants them to test.   However the men have had 3 players test positive the last 2 weeks and there was no team test.  So the ladies are upset that they are not being treated the same will see what happens 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 02, 2022, 12:15:56 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 01, 2022, 09:12:10 PM
ok engine and franklin lets forget the Illinois rat pack.   Rose had a person test positive for covid today.   There policy has been not to test vaccinated players but the administration wants them to test.   However the men have had 3 players test positive the last 2 weeks and there was no team test.  So the ladies are upset that they are not being treated the same will see what happens
I'd be upset if I was on the guys team that they're making sure the ladies aren't spreading it worse but don't seem to care about the men. I think there absolutely should be team testing if someone tests positive. Get on top of it and minimize the spread around the team and you don't have to cancel games.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 02, 2022, 04:27:28 PM
wow got the anderson game totally wrong .  They crush Bluffton
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 02, 2022, 08:13:23 PM
engine good news the rest of team tested and all were negative so they will only lose Wilson for franklin game
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RogK on January 02, 2022, 08:29:17 PM
There hasn't been a new top 25 poll since December 12.
Whenever the next poll occurs, it will be posted on the D3Hoops site :
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week3
= =
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 02, 2022, 09:18:28 PM
Oh **** your right I saw the thing on top 25 discussion forgot it was a old one and he was updating records
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RogK on January 02, 2022, 09:39:17 PM
We should get a new poll soon. Maybe tomorrow or Tuesday?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 03, 2022, 12:02:49 PM
Been a while since the last update.

Rose-Hulman 74 Hanover 53
Mount St Joseph 43 Bluffton 64
Hanover 82 Anderson 74
Franklin Earlham
Transylvania Manchester
Bluffton 52 Anderson 81


Baldini 3-1  12-5
Jester  2-2  12-5
FCGG  3-1  11-6


Conference standings
Transylvania    4-0 (11-0)
Rose-Hulman     3-1  (5-4)
Franklin        3-1  (5-6)
Defiance        2-2  (7-3)
Hanover         2-2  (5-4)
Manchester      2-2  (5-6)
Anderson        2-2  (5-6)
Bluffton        1-3  (6-5)
Mount St Joseph 1-3  (4-7)
Earlham         0-4  (0-11)



Conference games
January 5th
Bluffton @ Defiance 6:00 PM
Earlham @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Anderson @ Manchester 7:30 PM
Franklin @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Hanover @ Mount St. Joseph 7:30 PM

January 8th
Mount St. Joseph @ Manchester 1:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Bluffton 1:00 PM
Hanover @ Earlham 1:00 PM
Defiance @ Transylvania 1:00 PM
Franklin @ Anderson 1:00 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 03, 2022, 12:19:12 PM
January 5th

Bluffton @ Defiance 6:00 PM
Earlham @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Anderson @ Manchester 7:30 PM
Franklin @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Hanover @ Mount St. Joseph 7:30 PM

January 8th

Mount St. Joseph @ Manchester 1:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Bluffton 1:00 PM
Hanover @ Earlham 1:00 PM
Defiance @ Transylvania 1:00 PM
Franklin @ Anderson 1:00 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 12:28:03 PM
Hi Engine I saw your post.  a couple of things. I have never heard about the hope vs rose game before. i have heard grumbling about the Gustavus game a couple years ago.  Your a grown man so you certainly don't need my permission to apologize. I will say however that there should be no apology for having a viewpoint for discussing it.

To the individuals  who when they don't like something insinuate through their comments they want the person who runs the site to shut us down. Get back to your page like only people in Wisconsin and Illinois are allowed on their sacred grounds. How do i know this. Simple twice I have seen well they don't own the site. Of course that means if they did they would ban people and discussion they didn't care for.  My comments have no hate they don't belittle anyone personally.

Its called a DISCUSSION BOARD  that's what sport fans do.  They argue who the great player of all time is.  Packer fans give it to bear fans and Viking fans give it packer fans. Well not so much after last night game.  If you don't like a comment skip it but to say well if i owned the site or lets ban HCAC people from here. What the hell does that even me. I have players in 6 different conferences including D-1 and I root for all my girls.  They are all terrific young ladies I had never heard of the IWU game to this year.  I was talking basketball in general and the person i was talking with who also doesn't have a connection to either team said you should have seen this game.   He ended up sending me video this week so i could see what he was talking about and get my OPINION.  I think its pretty obvious at best case the 3 refs picked by the ncaa for a championship game were overmatched.  Its just not blown calls its such blatant calls and the fact there is none on IWU that are of that caliber.

If your Hope fan I understand you would be upset I  dont think I would be.  I would be oooh we got a couple there but thats the way it goes that's why you play hard for home court. If I was a IWU fan id be seething at the time and then gotten over it and complain for my rest of time how we were robbed. Just like million of football fans do.

Engine i have the videos posted on my facebook not to make people mad or god forbids they smite me but to have a discussion what do you think was happening during that game.  People with small minds are afraid of questions.  Opinions can change in discussions sometimes.  To simply just say on this board  i want to talk to only people i want to and only about what i want really isnt a discussion board in the end.

The best to everyone. Roger have had the pleasure of meeting you a couple of times and your a really nice guy and i appreciate your passion for the game.  Greg even though me and you are trading blows I do appreciate you bringing games homes to families I know how important that is to them.  With that said I will however post on any damn page I want I wont be told what page i can comment on if you don't care about my opinion dont read it. Simple as that look forward to future DISCUSSIONS

engine here is the link

www.facebook.com/chris.jester.90/




Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 12:34:44 PM
jan 5th

defiance
transylvania
anderson
rose
mt st joe

8th
mt s tjoe
rose
transylvania
hanover
franklin
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2022, 01:00:23 PM
I have never said that you couldn't post on the CCIW board, Chris. Never, ever, ever. In fact, twice now I've said the exact opposite.

It's not my board, it's Pat Coleman's. He's the only one with say-so as to who can post and who can't.

And I don't know to whom you're pointing with this:

Quote from: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 12:28:03 PMTo the individuals  who when they don't like something insinuate through their comments they want the person who runs the site to shut us down.

... but if that's directed at me I have insinuated no such thing. I have no interest whatsoever in shutting you or anyone else down.

You keep posting about a game that happened two years ago that nobody else is interested in rehashing. Even the most rabid IWU fan on the CCIW board has asked you to let it go and move on -- twice, in fact. If you want to keep pushing that game like a terrier gnawing at a bone, that's your business. I'm simply telling you that nobody cares anymore but you. I don't know why you don't get that, but whatever.

The only thing that really troubles me is that you were dishonest about that IWU @ Hope game. You said on New Year's Day that "I had never heard of this game, as it was before my time" -- and yet there is a post by you on the CCIW board right in the middle of that long, long discussion after that game back in March 2020, a post about officers and airmen and solutions and excuses (it was basically a suck-it-up-and-deal-with-the-loss, Titans post). But, hey, I'll get over it. You've got your league's board and I have mine, so there's no need for it to trouble me anymore.

Sorry to interrupt your discussion, HCAC fans.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 01:57:15 PM
well first thank you for giving your ok for me to continue to be on here,   Now i stand by my statement 100 percent.   I went back found the post. I ironically i found post about you complaining about refs.   Engine posted about the game i knew nothing about either team except from my kid playing IWU . You can see i was more worried about covid shutting rose down in other posts then this game.

Didnt know any of questionable calls so i stated the following and i stand by it.
 
i will simply state what i learned from serving in the military ad what i have taught to my players and kids.  Losers make excuses. Winners own it no matter what the outcome.   Having my daughter play both Wesleyan and Chicago I am quite sure those players are owning it.  Have no clue if bad calls or not didn't see the game but a good coach would say you know what we need to play better and take it out of the refs hands,  A officer  once told me Airman were looking for solutions not excuses. Never forgot  those words and they have served me well.

Well i felt that way to I saw the video. Once the facts changed i changed my opinion.  Just to make clear it wasn't engine the person who sent me the film clips but a person who loves college basketball and just is flabbergasted this could happen.  We dont think the game was fixed but are interested on the pressure on refs and the human condition in a packed arena.  The only questionable home cooking was the scoreboard for the 8 seconds they didnt run off. The rest were all on the floor.   Again you can say whatever about me. You can deflect but it doesnt change the videos.  It was a 2nd round game.  This has been changed to being correct. The NCAA said these our are 3 best refs. Nobody reviewing those tapes can say that they officiated at a level required for the caliber of game. This wasnt Rose vs Earlham
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 03, 2022, 02:03:49 PM
I won't continue to debate the particulars; I have no interest and I told you I simply disagree with your black and white interpretation of those hand selected clips.

But I will correct another error; this was not an NCAA championship game nor did anyone say these were NCAA's 3 best refs.  This was a 2nd round (round of 32) game.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 02:10:11 PM
 well thats my mistake i thought it was a championship game that  is kind of a big deal.  Doesn't change the video but that explains why there wasnt a firestorm i saw.  Explains a little why IWU fans are not as mad I couldn't understand how they wouldnt be more upset at losing a championship

That's on me i just assumed it was a championship game.  Like i said never heard of the game or saw the game to others started posting.  Video isnt cherry picked . I didn't invent it,
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 03, 2022, 03:31:42 PM
Someone with an agenda took the time to painstakingly parse through the game video, copy specific clips of certain plays and not others, save those clips then forward them to others.  That is the very definition of cherry picking.  Doesn't matter if it was you or someone else.  That is why I never cared to look at your clips, the entire game including those last minutes is available on YouTube for anyone who cares to look at the game in it's full context.

I don't understand how you can keep saying you never heard of the game when you commented about the game and the ref controversy at the time. 

I am fully expressed on this topic
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 04:54:27 PM
I already explained how I heard about the game your making me into a conspiracy lol. everyone plotting against hope.  Its ok  you don't believe the clips of the actual game somehow because its a clip its not real.  I guess someone put time into it. I know i certainly did trying how to get it posted but that was because you guys were saying it wasnt real i was making it up including  the non travel call.  I know the person who discussed this with me is amazed by the game. There interested in how it can come about. want to watch live game footage go to 39 seconds left watch the player take 2 steps in a tied game and not get called for traveling. Not even close no arguing with it.    go to 4.14 lef tin 4th quarter 67-59 iwu winning count the seconds from inbound till clock starts. 7 seconds. again watch live no clip i can go on and on

If you don't think that is a travel then i dont know what to say
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 10:32:06 AM
Update on rose-hulman game   Landed in chicago last night to drive to terre haute for today's game against Franklin and got a call that a second player tested positive for Covid.  Game might be cancelled

At this time it has not and I was told the following

Meeting this morning among Presidents, AD's and others to decide HCAC Covid protocols ...for competition....NCAA meeting was yesterday.
Constituents meeting today to take NCAA stuff under advisement and shape HCAC policy for remainder of school year

Side note nothing to do with basketball I had to get on a flight last night as mine was cancelled today. The guy next to me on the flight was trying to get to Dallas and had 4 flights cancelled and been stuck since Saturday. What a mess
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 11:19:25 AM

There are a bunch of leagues meeting today to discuss policy changes.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 05, 2022, 11:20:05 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 12:28:03 PM
Hi Engine I saw your post.  a couple of things. I have never heard about the hope vs rose game before. i have heard grumbling about the Gustavus game a couple years ago.  Your a grown man so you certainly don't need my permission to apologize. I will say however that there should be no apology for having a viewpoint for discussing it.

To the individuals  who when they don't like something insinuate through their comments they want the person who runs the site to shut us down. Get back to your page like only people in Wisconsin and Illinois are allowed on their sacred grounds. How do i know this. Simple twice I have seen well they don't own the site. Of course that means if they did they would ban people and discussion they didn't care for.  My comments have no hate they don't belittle anyone personally.

Its called a DISCUSSION BOARD  that's what sport fans do.  They argue who the great player of all time is.  Packer fans give it to bear fans and Viking fans give it packer fans. Well not so much after last night game.  If you don't like a comment skip it but to say well if i owned the site or lets ban HCAC people from here. What the hell does that even me. I have players in 6 different conferences including D-1 and I root for all my girls.  They are all terrific young ladies I had never heard of the IWU game to this year.  I was talking basketball in general and the person i was talking with who also doesn't have a connection to either team said you should have seen this game.   He ended up sending me video this week so i could see what he was talking about and get my OPINION.  I think its pretty obvious at best case the 3 refs picked by the ncaa for a championship game were overmatched.  Its just not blown calls its such blatant calls and the fact there is none on IWU that are of that caliber.

If your Hope fan I understand you would be upset I  dont think I would be.  I would be oooh we got a couple there but thats the way it goes that's why you play hard for home court. If I was a IWU fan id be seething at the time and then gotten over it and complain for my rest of time how we were robbed. Just like million of football fans do.

Engine i have the videos posted on my facebook not to make people mad or god forbids they smite me but to have a discussion what do you think was happening during that game.  People with small minds are afraid of questions.  Opinions can change in discussions sometimes.  To simply just say on this board  i want to talk to only people i want to and only about what i want really isnt a discussion board in the end.

The best to everyone. Roger have had the pleasure of meeting you a couple of times and your a really nice guy and i appreciate your passion for the game.  Greg even though me and you are trading blows I do appreciate you bringing games homes to families I know how important that is to them.  With that said I will however post on any damn page I want I wont be told what page i can comment on if you don't care about my opinion dont read it. Simple as that look forward to future DISCUSSIONS

engine here is the link

www.facebook.com/chris.jester.90/


Ok Jester - please read this, take it in, and let's move on, huh? I agree with you that it was a poorly officiated final 11-12 minutes - especially when you take the recently-unearthed travel at the 30-second mark left in the game. It truly is horrifying that the official didn't see something that blatant - it's the kind of travel that winds up on Sportscenter or Twitter when LeBron or RB does it in a meaningless NBA game - and I also never noticed the 7-second delay in starting the clock when Hope was down 9 with around 4 minutes to go. I'm actually pretty disappointed in myself that I did not notice it when it happened. Yes, there were a great many calls and no-calls that probably ought to wind up in some kind of officials' training video - anyone with a few extra hours could go over those final minutes and make a moment-by-moment indictment of the officiating crew - and that's including a REALLY bad no-call early in the 4th where Brovelli almost took a Hope kid's head off without a whistle. I don't have the time it happened in the game but honestly in a game full of poor calls and no-calls, the worst one might have been to IWU's benefit.

Yes, Jester, the officiating was horrible, but I just don't think an honest assessment can be made that the officials cost IWU the game. I think that's where you've gotten sideways with everyone here (beyond the fact that there's no appetite to re-hash the game two years later). Nobody wants to hear the officials get blamed for a team's loss - we've all been taught from childhood to own our mistakes and resolve to be better next time - and blaming officials is the exact opposite of that ethos. If you want to objectively evaluate the officials' performance I think it's fair game - but when it becomes an "IWU got screwed by the refs and Hope didn't deserve to win" it sounds way too much like Donald Trump's lawyers trying to find more votes in Michigan and Arizona. I think you meant your original post to be about the former and not the latter - the problem is there is no way for folks in a board like this to know the difference or what your motivations are.

Here's the truth. In going back and looking at that game again after this most recent conflagration I noticed a few OTHER things I didn't see earlier as well. For instance, I had forgotten the absolutely wide-open layup that Brovelli missed immediately after the  should've-been-a-travel by Schoonveld that led to the should-have-been-a-held-ball that led to the OB under play where Hope finally took the lead. Wide-open. It was missed. Even after all that ineptness on the part of the crew IWU STILL had a chance to tie things back up and they missed. That missed bunny wasn't the crew or the clock operator's fault. Also not the crew or the clock operator's fault were the three inexplicable turnovers inside that final 4 minutes or so - one of which led to a wide-open made 3 and another that resulted in a transition layup. I've seen plenty of IWU over the years and I'll say this, they've always been very capable and fearless teams offensively - but in those final minutes they looked like a middle-school team flailing against the town's high school kids - Hope is insanely long and they just kept throwing in right into the outstretched hands of the Hope players. IWU lost it's mind offensively at the worst possible time.

I agree, the officiating was horrible in the final few minutes. I'll always think of it as one of the most poorly-officiated 11 minutes of basketball I've ever seen - but you cannot lay the Hope victory at the officials' feet - and nobody but IWU is responsible for the two missed free throws, the three really bad turnovers, and the incredible missed bunny - all of which occurred in the final 4'ish minutes.

It's tough to play on the road in that kind of environment. I'm sure it's also tough to officiate the same. There's a reason for the old adage that the home team begins with a 15-point advantage. That's what happens on the road sometimes. Having said that, despite all the crap thrown at them, IWU was presented a few things by the "basketball gods" to even things out, and they couldn't take advantage of them.

At the end of the game Hope was able to capitalize on the opportunities that the game provided and IWU couldn't. It's that simple. Hope was the better team that night and they won the game.

Now - let this go and let's move on and discuss what's happening THIS year!
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 05, 2022, 11:35:03 AM
I just hope we get to watch some more Division III basketball. Surely they wouldn't shut things down again like they did in 2020 but you never know. Division I will keep on trucking - too much money at stake.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 11:53:10 AM
I think you will see the very liberal campuses. Like NYU shut down.   Naia will keep rolling.  I think most of the schools will do what ha sheen happening.  Test and if you can't field a team you forfeit.  Now some schools may shut down due to cost of testing which is a joke with all the money most schools make and there endowments.   I know last year Hamline has Hyvee paying for all their testing
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 05, 2022, 12:12:10 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 05, 2022, 11:35:03 AM
I just hope we get to watch some more Division III basketball. Surely they wouldn't shut things down again like they did in 2020 but you never know. Division I will keep on trucking - too much money at stake.

Most reports have Omicron no worse than flu, isolation and shutdowns ineffective anyway, and case rates expected to plummet by end of January.  Would sure be a shame if they shut it down in that context. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 05, 2022, 12:12:10 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 05, 2022, 11:35:03 AM
I just hope we get to watch some more Division III basketball. Surely they wouldn't shut things down again like they did in 2020 but you never know. Division I will keep on trucking - too much money at stake.

Most reports have Omicron no worse than flu, isolation and shutdowns ineffective anyway, and case rates expected to plummet by end of January.  Would sure be a shame if they shut it down in that context.

Important to add "if vaccinated;" illness and hospitalization rates aren't that different for the unvaccinated..
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2022, 12:23:43 PM
January 5th
Bluffton @ Defiance 6:00 PM
Earlham @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Anderson @ Manchester 7:30 PM
Franklin @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Hanover @ Mount St. Joseph 7:30 PM

January 8th
Mount St. Joseph @ Manchester 1:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Bluffton 1:00 PM
Hanover @ Earlham 1:00 PM
Defiance @ Transylvania 1:00 PM
Franklin @ Anderson 1:00 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 05, 2022, 12:41:56 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 05, 2022, 12:12:10 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 05, 2022, 11:35:03 AM
I just hope we get to watch some more Division III basketball. Surely they wouldn't shut things down again like they did in 2020 but you never know. Division I will keep on trucking - too much money at stake.

Most reports have Omicron no worse than flu, isolation and shutdowns ineffective anyway, and case rates expected to plummet by end of January.  Would sure be a shame if they shut it down in that context.

Important to add "if vaccinated;" illness and hospitalization rates aren't that different for the unvaccinated..

Exactly correct - unvaccinated folks with pre-existing conditions are still getting sick and dying at the same rates they were before. Even vaccinated folks should do whatever necessary to avoid exposure because each individual genome is different. 90+% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated but nobody wants to be the outlier.
I'm half-expecting the HCAC to outlaw fans.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 12:52:39 PM
Holy crap a run on smites on me.  I need to have a strong quarter need to break the press better
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 05, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 05, 2022, 12:12:10 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 05, 2022, 11:35:03 AM
I just hope we get to watch some more Division III basketball. Surely they wouldn't shut things down again like they did in 2020 but you never know. Division I will keep on trucking - too much money at stake.


Most reports have Omicron no worse than flu, isolation and shutdowns ineffective anyway, and case rates expected to plummet by end of January.  Would sure be a shame if they shut it down in that context.

Important to add "if vaccinated;" illness and hospitalization rates aren't that different for the unvaccinated..

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the vaccines but... the biology of Omicron is different than Delta and earlier variants.  Latest studies show it attacks primarily upper airways not lungs like the others.  It is VERY catchy which is why cloth masks worn widely today aren't very effective vs Omicron and partly why case rates and therefore hospitalizations are rising.  But SEVERITY of illness with Omicron is less than other variants even for unvaccinated.   With Delta, death rates were statistically correlated with case rates.  With Omicron, that correlation is missing.  There was even an article in the WSJ two days ago saying Omicron might even be beneficial in that it's rapid spread without the same death rate as previous variants might push us finally closer to herd immunity.  But yes, vaccines are still the best protection.  Lots of data out there showing lockdowns/shutdowns don't work which, back to basketball, is why I think it would be a shame...  :)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 01:01:47 PM
Franklin for what it's worth. The media program has the probable starters and usually is correct. They don't have Cross listed but do have Nix.  So it looks like Nix is back but Cross might still be out

My kid will be guarding Nix at least at start of game.  Black and Wilson are out so told the kid you ha e to fire tonight lol but we will see

Engine     Webster had also rejoined the team and will suit up tonight. Not sure if she will play but with 2 guards down she might    It will be interesting to see if Igehon plays at all or if not ready yet
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 01:07:30 PM
My plus minus rating is terribble.  I need to get some of Miac dads on here and get me some likes
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RogK on January 05, 2022, 01:26:18 PM
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week4
Transylvania is now #4.
Is that too low? Too high? Precisely correct?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 01:37:18 PM
Might be high.  They are really good at home.  They beat tufts on road.  We ha e played them tough even the past 2 years when the girls were learning. Rose I think has the talent to beat them at home important to get the playoffs at your site.  I think both teams will roll through conference unless Covid throws something off.  Rose has a better chance of being upsetted I think then they do.   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2022, 02:34:13 PM
I feel like the Pioneers should be around 7 or 8. Tufts is at #9 and Transylvania gave them their only loss by 1.
Also, not really used to an HCAC team being ranked top 5 in pretty much any sport so it just feels weird.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 03:16:31 PM

I've got Transy 9 (I've been given a vote in the women's poll this year.  I haven't been as vocal about it, because I'm new and want to make sure I'm confident in my knowledge before I spout off too much) - the Tufts win is good, obviously, but it was very early in the season and the rest of the schedule isn't super great.  I like the team a lot, but probably not a Top 5 resume.  That big zero at the end of the record sure looks good, though.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 05, 2022, 03:41:18 PM
Transylvania is not a Top-5 team. Their only significant win on the road over the past five years was at Tufts this year - and Tufts doesn't exactly have a signature win in 2020-21 themselves. Tufts' best win is probably over 10-1 Worcester Poly. The teams on Tufts' schedule are usually pretty strong but having somewhat mediocre years, especially MIT and UMass Dartmouth. Don't get me wrong, Transy is good and certainly deserving of a Top-15-20 ranking, but it's pretty obvious that even a team having a fantastic year with plenty of good wins isn't going to slide very far up the rankings if they don't have any cachet with the voters. Transy had a nice little run a couple years ago in reaching the Sweet-16, and then hosted again in 2019-20. That's why they are ranked #4 right now. My theory is that voters have a pre-selected group of about 30-35 teams that they have internalized, and only move a new team in there if they are having an extraordinary season or the usual suspects have too many losses.

A couple of examples from the D3Hoops poll and admittedly I'm a partisan looking at my own team's travails;

- Rose-Hulman absolutely SMOKES Illinois Wesleyan by 35 points in 2015-16 and finishes 23-4 to IWU's 17-10 - yet when D3Hoops published it's pre-season Top-25 for 2016-17, RHIT got one vote to IWU's FORTY SIX.

- In 2018-19 the D3 Hoops pre-season poll situated defending UAA champion Chicago at #7 with 474 votes while the team that handed them one of those three losses (AT Chicago), RHIT, garnered 30 votes off their 24-4 campaign that saw them finish ranked #3 in the rugged Great Lakes region and finish the regular season ranked as the #3 scoring defense in Division III. I'm not suggesting that either IWU or Chicago didn't deserve those votes  -merely highlighting the discrepancy.

As for the WBCA Poll
RHIT ran roughshod through the HCAC in 2017-18, finishing the regular season 22-3 - yet never got so much as a single vote in the WBCA poll - at one point in late January 2017 a 16-3 (12-0) RHIT team, whose only losses that season were to the WBCA's #2, #9, and #23-ranked teams (by a combined 11 points), AND whom possessed a win on the road at the WBCA's #16-ranked Chicago (which was all alone in 1st place in the UAA at that time and would eventually win a game in the NCAA Tournament and finish 24-3), received not a single WBCA vote, while the WBCA's #16-ranked team at the time, Ohio Northern, had already lost to Bluffton, whom RHIT had defeated by 24 a couple weeks earlier

Again, all these things, while perplexing in the extreme for a fan, can at least be chalked up to the relative indifference of the voters, and their adherence to schools that have "tradition" year in and out.

What blew my mind that year and that late-January poll was the fact that one of those voters stubbornly clung to Transylvania, voting for them even after they suffered a double-digit defeat AT HOME to RHIT, AND having a lower SOS AND one more loss. So, after watching RHIT thoroughly dominate TU over the previous weekend, I thought surely this lone voter would notice all RHIT's strengths, would have their interest piqued, would take a look and notice everything mentioned above - would actually look at RHIT's resume (which they presumably did when voting for Transylvania). I was wrong. Not only did this voter inexplicably cast a vote for Transylvania the two previous weeks over a conference school with a far better resume and whom had beaten them convincingly, when Transylvania lost to RHIT a second time, they chose to pretend as though it had never happened. No vote for Transylvania anymore, but certainly no way they will be swayed by a team they voted for being swept by a team with a better record, better SOS, and more quality wins.

Bottom line is, the HCAC needs to win more often in the NCAA's so the conference will gain a bit more respect and be taken seriously by voters when they have good years in the future. Transy is off to a good start this year, and they're being rewarded by the voters for the past few seasons of good play with a high ranking. I sure hope RHIT gives them a good game in two weeks.

Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 05, 2022, 03:48:17 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 03:16:31 PM

I've got Transy 9 (I've been given a vote in the women's poll this year.  I haven't been as vocal about it, because I'm new and want to make sure I'm confident in my knowledge before I spout off too much) - the Tufts win is good, obviously, but it was very early in the season and the rest of the schedule isn't super great.  I like the team a lot, but probably not a Top 5 resume.  That big zero at the end of the record sure looks good, though.

Ryan, that pretty much sums it up. If they manage to win the HCAC again they'll undoubtedly get to host two winnable games in the NCAA's and thereafter run into someone they couldn't possibly beat - like Thomas More in 2019. That probably makes them a legit Top-10 poll-team right now and around #15-#20 in the final poll.

Transy does have one potential hurdle remaining, however. RHIT is a completely different team than the one that started the year 2-4. Their PG is a lot of fun to watch and they finally have her healthy - she is a player and was in fact the state of California's Sophomore of the Year in 2018 - so it wouldn't be a fluke. They've got several others that can really play but I do worry about their depth - perhaps getting Igiehon back will help. Jester didn't she have a bunch of Division I offers as well?

They don't deserve any attention at the moment but by the time this is all said and done RHIT MIGHT wind up being the best or 2nd-best team Transy faces during the regular season. I expect their game on the 22nd this month to be one of the best match-ups in all of NCAA Division III that weekend.

Loved your write-up on the Yeshiva-IWU game - best one on here since the Grinnell article. That one might've been yours as well.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 04:39:25 PM
Engine game is on for tonight  kid just left for the gym. I would not expect to see Igehon
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 05, 2022, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2022, 12:23:43 PM
January 5th
Bluffton @ Defiance 6:00 PM
Earlham @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Anderson @ Manchester 7:30 PM
Franklin @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Hanover @ Mount St. Joseph 7:30 PM

January 8th
Mount St. Joseph @ Manchester 1:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Bluffton 1:00 PM
Hanover @ Earlham 1:00 PM
Defiance @ Transylvania 1:00 PM
Franklin @ Anderson 1:00 PM

Tonight:

Defiance
Transy
Anderson
RHIT
Hanover 

Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 06:03:57 PM
Rose game delayed to 9:15 tonight. Franklin jus left for rose
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 06:05:01 PM
Woops 8:15 here  7:15 central
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 05, 2022, 06:06:30 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 01:07:30 PM
My plus minus rating is terribble.  I need to get some of Miac dads on here and get me some likes

Dang what have you been doing Jester? Slandering coaches and players again? Blaming refs for all the failures of your favorite teams? What could it possibly be?  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 06:08:21 PM
Pointed out some film from a game was trying to get different points of view and damn I felt like I was dipped in honey and put in beehive
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 06:09:45 PM
By the way never slander a coach or a player.  Only coach I can comment on and I would be right in doing so is the head coach at hilbert and I'll leave it at that
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 05, 2022, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 03:16:31 PM

I've got Transy 9 (I've been given a vote in the women's poll this year.  I haven't been as vocal about it, because I'm new and want to make sure I'm confident in my knowledge before I spout off too much) - the Tufts win is good, obviously, but it was very early in the season and the rest of the schedule isn't super great.  I like the team a lot, but probably not a Top 5 resume.  That big zero at the end of the record sure looks good, though.

At this time anything between 4-9 is a fair ranking, it will sort itself out in the next month. You mention Tufts, but the John Carroll win was super impressive, a game I saw in person. JC was ranked 3rd coming into that game and is still 12th, but Transylvania completely dismantled a very veteran team of SR's and 5th year SR's that day. They also defeated a Piedmont team by 30 that was receiving votes at the time and since that game Piedmont has defeated Depauw on DePauw's homecourt.
There is a fair amount of envy on this board towards Transylvania and comes out as polluted mindsets from time to time, but they are a legitimate top 4 to 8 team this season. They will need to run the table to hold a top 4 spot for tournament seeding and a homecourt advantage and the 3 road games in a week with the final one at RHIT on 1/22 will loom large for the Pioneers.   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 06:39:36 PM
Defiance up 6 or 7 at half over bluffton
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 08:26:19 PM
Bluffton with the win

Franklin.  Nix is playing my kid is guarding her so we shall see.  Cross is out.  Game time 30 min
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 05, 2022, 09:41:10 PM
Hanover was up 16 at the half and ends up getting beat by MSJ 82-74.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2022, 11:29:57 PM
Complete. STEM roll over Franklin 69-31 and that's with
Conference is in trouble
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 06, 2022, 01:09:18 AM
Rose held Franklin to 7 for 63 in shooting
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 06, 2022, 03:10:32 AM
7 of 65; 10.8% on FG and only 31 points... I'm trying to find the last time they were that bad... last time they were held under 50 points was 2019 when Rose won 50-35.

Previous low this year was 13-54 for 24.1% against Albion
2021 was 20-60; 33.3% against Transylvania
2020 was 19-67; 28.4% against Hanover in the conference tourney
2019 was 20-66; 30.3% against Bluffton
2018 was 12-57; 21.1% against Trine (only scored 32 points)
2017 was 16-71; 22.5% against Hanover
2016 was 20-72; 27.8% against UW-Eau Claire
2015 was 14-53; 26.4% against Hope
2014 was 15-49; 30.6% against Manchester
2013 was 16-57; 28.1% against Rose
2012 was 9-39; 23.1% against Manchester (the last time making less than 10 FG)
2011 was 15-53; 28.3% against Benedictine
2010 was 19-58; 32.8% against Elmhurst
after that the stats are sparce. Not once under even 20% in that span.

Dec 5th 2007 Rose beat Franklin 38-30. That's the last time Franklin scored less.


Looks like the Pioneers and Engineers are going to run away with the conference this year. January 22nd will be a fun one. Make sure everyone is healthy so it's not cancelled please. :)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 06, 2022, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Baldini on January 05, 2022, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 03:16:31 PM

I've got Transy 9 (I've been given a vote in the women's poll this year.  I haven't been as vocal about it, because I'm new and want to make sure I'm confident in my knowledge before I spout off too much) - the Tufts win is good, obviously, but it was very early in the season and the rest of the schedule isn't super great.  I like the team a lot, but probably not a Top 5 resume.  That big zero at the end of the record sure looks good, though.

At this time anything between 4-9 is a fair ranking, it will sort itself out in the next month. You mention Tufts, but the John Carroll win was super impressive, a game I saw in person. JC was ranked 3rd coming into that game and is still 12th, but Transylvania completely dismantled a very veteran team of SR's and 5th year SR's that day. They also defeated a Piedmont team by 30 that was receiving votes at the time and since that game Piedmont has defeated Depauw on DePauw's homecourt.
There is a fair amount of envy on this board towards Transylvania and comes out as polluted mindsets from time to time, but they are a legitimate top 4 to 8 team this season. They will need to run the table to hold a top 4 spot for tournament seeding and a homecourt advantage and the 3 road games in a week with the final one at RHIT on 1/22 will loom large for the Pioneers.

Upon thinking about it you're probably right about where they belong ranking-wise, Baldini - I just want to point out something that I think is important to consider - that over the last half-dozen years, other than Tufts, every single "good" or "great" win Transy has had has been at home. Being able to play big games at home matters. It's why most conferences award the home-court advantage in the AQ tournament to their regular season champion. Didn't home court advantage in wins/losses figure in Division III men's SOS for regional ranking purposes in the very recent past? I'm not blaming Transy for their schedule - who WOULDN'T want to host multiple tournaments and try to get good teams to come and play on YOUR home court. Just like John Carroll did.

Now, if Transy thrashes RHIT in Terre Haute on the 22nd and RHIT finishes 18-5 I think the Transy/home game theory can be effectively laid to rest.

Also, DePauw was without Mya Shannon in the loss to Piedmont and more than any other DePauw team, they really depend on her. She is far and away their most dynamic offensive player and a huge difference-maker for them. There's a large noticeable drop-off when she's not on the floor. When DePauw has been really, really good - like undefeated National champions or regional finals good - they've almost had "anonymous" players - so many kids that were so good that no one single player really stood out. The 2021-22 DePauw team is different and they aren't the same without her. A win over DePauw, however, is still a win over DePauw.


If they finish top-4 "...for tournament seeding and homecourt advantage"? Respectfully, Ryan that doesn't matter ONE BIT in Transy's case. They finished 15th in the final D3Hoops regular season poll in 2019-20 and finished FOURTH in the final regional ranking AND STILL HOSTED. I have no way of knowing for certain but I'd speculate that in the history of the regional rankings/committee system, Transy in 2019-20 was the only #4-regionally- ranked team to ever host a pod.
I'd bet Transy could lose probably two HCAC games and still host as long as they won the AQ. In fact, I can envision a scenario where they lose the AQ, get an at-large (which they'd certainly deserve) and STILL host. Not only do I believe that RHIT could beat them on the 22nd and not get a single vote afterwards for beating a Top-5 team, a lot of voters would just say to themselves "it was just a one-off and great teams stub their toe occasionally" and RHIT could run the table the rest of the season, finish 19-4, and still wouldn't get more than a handful of votes - if any votes at all.

Admittedly, Baldini, yes, if we're honest with ourselves there's probably a little bit of Transy-envy going-on. I envy how Transy gets treated by voters and the regional committee. I wish that when my team were occasionally good they'd get some attention. Problem is, admittedly and in all fairness, they just aren't as consistently good as Transy - and ultimately I think that's what makes the difference with voters, at least.

My point is that there are a large number of teams that have cachet with voters and will always be given the benefit of the doubt - and others that have to be perfect and cure cancer between games to get noticed. As an example, I really think Wesleyan down in Macon, GA, could start any given season 8-0 (which likely ain't happening anytime soon) with perhaps a win or two over average-to-above-average teams and maybe one big win over somebody like Piedmont or Maryville. Compare that  same scenario to someone like St. Bens or Gustavus or even Rochester - which  happens about every other year with regularity and they would likely already have been receiving votes and would perhaps even  cracked the top-25 without playing anyone REALLY good. Meanwhile, Wesleyan would have to make it to 18-0 before anyone realized there was an all-women's Division III school in Macon, GA named Wesleyan at all.

Transy is really good, and Coach Fulks has done a wonderful job on building what Greg Todd left in place and actually building on it and taking the program to places he never dreamed of. She's been successful everywhere she's even been and is a really, really good basketball coach. Believe it or not, I actually pull for Transy once the NCAA tournament starts because any success they have reflects well upon the rest of the HCAC which is obviously not universally respected from a competitive standpoint.

What we're talking about and what the voters vote on is our educated conjecture - the only thing that matters is what happens on the court.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 10:11:54 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 06, 2022, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Baldini on January 05, 2022, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 03:16:31 PM

I've got Transy 9 (I've been given a vote in the women's poll this year.  I haven't been as vocal about it, because I'm new and want to make sure I'm confident in my knowledge before I spout off too much) - the Tufts win is good, obviously, but it was very early in the season and the rest of the schedule isn't super great.  I like the team a lot, but probably not a Top 5 resume.  That big zero at the end of the record sure looks good, though.

At this time anything between 4-9 is a fair ranking, it will sort itself out in the next month. You mention Tufts, but the John Carroll win was super impressive, a game I saw in person. JC was ranked 3rd coming into that game and is still 12th, but Transylvania completely dismantled a very veteran team of SR's and 5th year SR's that day. They also defeated a Piedmont team by 30 that was receiving votes at the time and since that game Piedmont has defeated Depauw on DePauw's homecourt.
There is a fair amount of envy on this board towards Transylvania and comes out as polluted mindsets from time to time, but they are a legitimate top 4 to 8 team this season. They will need to run the table to hold a top 4 spot for tournament seeding and a homecourt advantage and the 3 road games in a week with the final one at RHIT on 1/22 will loom large for the Pioneers.

Not trying to argue with you, Ryan - and a win is a win. The John Carroll game was at Transylvania, right? Go back and look over the last half-dozen years. They don't leave home unless they have to.
Also, DePauw was without Mya Shannon in the loss to Piedmont and more than any other DePauw team, they really depend on her. She is far and away their most dynamic offensive player and a huge difference-maker for them. There's a large noticeable drop-off when she's not on the floor. When DePauw has been really, really good - like undefeated National champions or regional finals good - they've almost had "anonymous" players - so many kids that were so good that no one single player really stood out. The 2021-22 DePauw team is different and they aren't the same without her. A win over DePauw, however, is still a win over DePauw.


If they finish top-4 "...for tournament seeding and homecourt advantage"? Respectfully, Ryan that doesn't matter ONE BIT in Transy's case. They finished 15th in the final D3Hoops regular season poll in 2019-20 and finished FOURTH in the final regional ranking AND STILL HOSTED. They could lose probably two HCAC games and still host as long as they won the AQ. In fact, I can envision a scenario where they lose the AQ, get an at-large (which they'd certainly deserve) and STILL host. Not only do I believe that RHIT could beat them on the 22nd and not get a single vote afterwards for beating a Top-5 team, a lot of voters would just say to themselves "it was just a one-off and great teams stub their toe occasionally" and RHIT could run the table the rest of the season, finish 19-4, and still wouldn't get more than a handful of votes - if any votes at all.

Admittedly, Ryan, yes, if we're honest with ourselves there's probably a little bit of Transy-envy going-on. I envy how Transy gets treated by voters and the regional committee. I wish that when my team were occasionally good they'd get some attention. Problem is, they just aren't as consistently good as Transy - and ultimately I think that's what makes the difference with voters, at least.

My point is that there are a large number of teams that have cachet with voters and will always be given the benefit of the doubt - and others that have to be perfect and cure cancer between games to get noticed. As an example, I really think Wesleyan down in Macon, GA, could start any given season 8-0 (which likely ain't happening anytime soon) with perhaps a win or two over average-to-above-average teams and maybe one big win over somebody like Piedmont or Maryville. Compare that  same scenario to someone like St. Bens or Gustavus or even Rochester - which  happens about every other year with regularity and they would likely already have been receiving votes and would perhaps even  cracked the top-25 without playing anyone REALLY good. Meanwhile, Wesleyan would have to make it to 18-0 before anyone realized there was an all-women's Division III school in Macon, GA named Wesleyan at all.

Transy is really good, and Coach Fulks has done a wonderful job on building what Greg Todd left in place and actually building on it and taking the program to places he never dreamed of and believe it or not I actually pull for them once the NCAA tournament starts because any success they have reflects well upon the rest of the HCAC which is not universally respected from a competitive standpoint.

What we're talking about and what the voters vote on is our educated conjecture - the only thing that matters is what happens on the court.

I think you've got the wrong poster, here.  You seem to be rebutting Baldini's points.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 06, 2022, 10:28:52 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 10:11:54 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 06, 2022, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Baldini on January 05, 2022, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 03:16:31 PM

I've got Transy 9 (I've been given a vote in the women's poll this year.  I haven't been as vocal about it, because I'm new and want to make sure I'm confident in my knowledge before I spout off too much) - the Tufts win is good, obviously, but it was very early in the season and the rest of the schedule isn't super great.  I like the team a lot, but probably not a Top 5 resume.  That big zero at the end of the record sure looks good, though.

At this time anything between 4-9 is a fair ranking, it will sort itself out in the next month. You mention Tufts, but the John Carroll win was super impressive, a game I saw in person. JC was ranked 3rd coming into that game and is still 12th, but Transylvania completely dismantled a very veteran team of SR's and 5th year SR's that day. They also defeated a Piedmont team by 30 that was receiving votes at the time and since that game Piedmont has defeated Depauw on DePauw's homecourt.
There is a fair amount of envy on this board towards Transylvania and comes out as polluted mindsets from time to time, but they are a legitimate top 4 to 8 team this season. They will need to run the table to hold a top 4 spot for tournament seeding and a homecourt advantage and the 3 road games in a week with the final one at RHIT on 1/22 will loom large for the Pioneers.

Not trying to argue with you, Ryan - and a win is a win. The John Carroll game was at Transylvania, right? Go back and look over the last half-dozen years. They don't leave home unless they have to.
Also, DePauw was without Mya Shannon in the loss to Piedmont and more than any other DePauw team, they really depend on her. She is far and away their most dynamic offensive player and a huge difference-maker for them. There's a large noticeable drop-off when she's not on the floor. When DePauw has been really, really good - like undefeated National champions or regional finals good - they've almost had "anonymous" players - so many kids that were so good that no one single player really stood out. The 2021-22 DePauw team is different and they aren't the same without her. A win over DePauw, however, is still a win over DePauw.


If they finish top-4 "...for tournament seeding and homecourt advantage"? Respectfully, Ryan that doesn't matter ONE BIT in Transy's case. They finished 15th in the final D3Hoops regular season poll in 2019-20 and finished FOURTH in the final regional ranking AND STILL HOSTED. They could lose probably two HCAC games and still host as long as they won the AQ. In fact, I can envision a scenario where they lose the AQ, get an at-large (which they'd certainly deserve) and STILL host. Not only do I believe that RHIT could beat them on the 22nd and not get a single vote afterwards for beating a Top-5 team, a lot of voters would just say to themselves "it was just a one-off and great teams stub their toe occasionally" and RHIT could run the table the rest of the season, finish 19-4, and still wouldn't get more than a handful of votes - if any votes at all.

Admittedly, Ryan, yes, if we're honest with ourselves there's probably a little bit of Transy-envy going-on. I envy how Transy gets treated by voters and the regional committee. I wish that when my team were occasionally good they'd get some attention. Problem is, they just aren't as consistently good as Transy - and ultimately I think that's what makes the difference with voters, at least.

My point is that there are a large number of teams that have cachet with voters and will always be given the benefit of the doubt - and others that have to be perfect and cure cancer between games to get noticed. As an example, I really think Wesleyan down in Macon, GA, could start any given season 8-0 (which likely ain't happening anytime soon) with perhaps a win or two over average-to-above-average teams and maybe one big win over somebody like Piedmont or Maryville. Compare that  same scenario to someone like St. Bens or Gustavus or even Rochester - which  happens about every other year with regularity and they would likely already have been receiving votes and would perhaps even  cracked the top-25 without playing anyone REALLY good. Meanwhile, Wesleyan would have to make it to 18-0 before anyone realized there was an all-women's Division III school in Macon, GA named Wesleyan at all.

Transy is really good, and Coach Fulks has done a wonderful job on building what Greg Todd left in place and actually building on it and taking the program to places he never dreamed of and believe it or not I actually pull for them once the NCAA tournament starts because any success they have reflects well upon the rest of the HCAC which is not universally respected from a competitive standpoint.

What we're talking about and what the voters vote on is our educated conjecture - the only thing that matters is what happens on the court.

I think you've got the wrong poster, here.  You seem to be rebutting Baldini's points.

Indeed I have! LoL. Thanks, Ryan!
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 06, 2022, 11:19:22 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 06, 2022, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Baldini on January 05, 2022, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 03:16:31 PM

I've got Transy 9 (I've been given a vote in the women's poll this year.  I haven't been as vocal about it, because I'm new and want to make sure I'm confident in my knowledge before I spout off too much) - the Tufts win is good, obviously, but it was very early in the season and the rest of the schedule isn't super great.  I like the team a lot, but probably not a Top 5 resume.  That big zero at the end of the record sure looks good, though.

At this time anything between 4-9 is a fair ranking, it will sort itself out in the next month. You mention Tufts, but the John Carroll win was super impressive, a game I saw in person. JC was ranked 3rd coming into that game and is still 12th, but Transylvania completely dismantled a very veteran team of SR's and 5th year SR's that day. They also defeated a Piedmont team by 30 that was receiving votes at the time and since that game Piedmont has defeated Depauw on DePauw's homecourt.
There is a fair amount of envy on this board towards Transylvania and comes out as polluted mindsets from time to time, but they are a legitimate top 4 to 8 team this season. They will need to run the table to hold a top 4 spot for tournament seeding and a homecourt advantage and the 3 road games in a week with the final one at RHIT on 1/22 will loom large for the Pioneers.

Upon thinking about it you're probably right about where they belong ranking-wise, Baldini - I just want to point out something that I think is important to consider - that over the last half-dozen years, other than Tufts, every single "good" or "great" win Transy has had has been at home. Being able to play big games at home matters. It's why most conferences award the home-court advantage in the AQ tournament to their regular season champion. Didn't home court advantage in wins/losses figure in Division III men's SOS for regional ranking purposes in the very recent past? I'm not blaming Transy for their schedule - who WOULDN'T want to host multiple tournaments and try to get good teams to come and play on YOUR home court. Just like John Carroll did.

Now, if Transy thrashes RHIT in Terre Haute on the 22nd and RHIT finishes 18-5 I think the Transy/home game theory can be effectively laid to rest.

Also, DePauw was without Mya Shannon in the loss to Piedmont and more than any other DePauw team, they really depend on her. She is far and away their most dynamic offensive player and a huge difference-maker for them. There's a large noticeable drop-off when she's not on the floor. When DePauw has been really, really good - like undefeated National champions or regional finals good - they've almost had "anonymous" players - so many kids that were so good that no one single player really stood out. The 2021-22 DePauw team is different and they aren't the same without her. A win over DePauw, however, is still a win over DePauw.


If they finish top-4 "...for tournament seeding and homecourt advantage"? Respectfully, Ryan that doesn't matter ONE BIT in Transy's case. They finished 15th in the final D3Hoops regular season poll in 2019-20 and finished FOURTH in the final regional ranking AND STILL HOSTED. I have no way of knowing for certain but I'd speculate that in the history of the regional rankings/committee system, Transy in 2019-20 was the only #4-regionally- ranked team to ever host a pod.
I'd bet Transy could lose probably two HCAC games and still host as long as they won the AQ. In fact, I can envision a scenario where they lose the AQ, get an at-large (which they'd certainly deserve) and STILL host. Not only do I believe that RHIT could beat them on the 22nd and not get a single vote afterwards for beating a Top-5 team, a lot of voters would just say to themselves "it was just a one-off and great teams stub their toe occasionally" and RHIT could run the table the rest of the season, finish 19-4, and still wouldn't get more than a handful of votes - if any votes at all.

Admittedly, Baldini, yes, if we're honest with ourselves there's probably a little bit of Transy-envy going-on. I envy how Transy gets treated by voters and the regional committee. I wish that when my team were occasionally good they'd get some attention. Problem is, admittedly and in all fairness, they just aren't as consistently good as Transy - and ultimately I think that's what makes the difference with voters, at least.

My point is that there are a large number of teams that have cachet with voters and will always be given the benefit of the doubt - and others that have to be perfect and cure cancer between games to get noticed. As an example, I really think Wesleyan down in Macon, GA, could start any given season 8-0 (which likely ain't happening anytime soon) with perhaps a win or two over average-to-above-average teams and maybe one big win over somebody like Piedmont or Maryville. Compare that  same scenario to someone like St. Bens or Gustavus or even Rochester - which  happens about every other year with regularity and they would likely already have been receiving votes and would perhaps even  cracked the top-25 without playing anyone REALLY good. Meanwhile, Wesleyan would have to make it to 18-0 before anyone realized there was an all-women's Division III school in Macon, GA named Wesleyan at all.

Transy is really good, and Coach Fulks has done a wonderful job on building what Greg Todd left in place and actually building on it and taking the program to places he never dreamed of. She's been successful everywhere she's even been and is a really, really good basketball coach. Believe it or not, I actually pull for Transy once the NCAA tournament starts because any success they have reflects well upon the rest of the HCAC which is obviously not universally respected from a competitive standpoint.

What we're talking about and what the voters vote on is our educated conjecture - the only thing that matters is what happens on the court.

Agree with most of what you are saying Enginerd, life is a little unfair to those that don't win on a consistent level for sure. As for the game on the 22nd, I would love to take that game in but Terre Haute is just a little too far for me to drive for a game. Should be a great game and I will be surprised if RHIT doesn't get the win that day. I believe RHIT is for real and has a chance to be another playoff type team for the HCAC, but fear their only chance this year is to get the AQ.  Conferences are always healthier went they are wide open with who might win on a given night, like what is going on with HCAC men's basketball right now. Or at least have two powerhouse types to battle it out, hopefully we have that on the women's side this year with Transylvania and RHIT.     
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 06, 2022, 11:48:28 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 06, 2022, 03:10:32 AM
7 of 65; 10.8% on FG and only 31 points... I'm trying to find the last time they were that bad... last time they were held under 50 points was 2019 when Rose won 50-35.

Previous low this year was 13-54 for 24.1% against Albion
2021 was 20-60; 33.3% against Transylvania
2020 was 19-67; 28.4% against Hanover in the conference tourney
2019 was 20-66; 30.3% against Bluffton
2018 was 12-57; 21.1% against Trine (only scored 32 points)
2017 was 16-71; 22.5% against Hanover
2016 was 20-72; 27.8% against UW-Eau Claire
2015 was 14-53; 26.4% against Hope
2014 was 15-49; 30.6% against Manchester
2013 was 16-57; 28.1% against Rose
2012 was 9-39; 23.1% against Manchester (the last time making less than 10 FG)
2011 was 15-53; 28.3% against Benedictine
2010 was 19-58; 32.8% against Elmhurst
after that the stats are sparce. Not once under even 20% in that span.

Dec 5th 2007 Rose beat Franklin 38-30. That's the last time Franklin scored less.


Looks like the Pioneers and Engineers are going to run away with the conference this year. January 22nd will be a fun one. Make sure everyone is healthy so it's not cancelled please. :)

This RHIT team is beginning to look more and more like the 2015-19 Bromenschenkel teams defensively. It looked like the Engineers got a little tired or otherwise lost their intensity midway through the 2nd quarter. I thought they'd keep them in single-digits points for the first half.
It'll be difficult to top the 2017-18 RHIT team which held both Earlham and MSJ to FOUR points in the first half - both on their respective home courts.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 06, 2022, 11:51:34 AM
Transylvania results vs Massey Top 100 (for what that's worth)

21-22 (#15)
A #12 Tufts 66-65 W
H #91 Rose-Hulman 64-57 W
H #20 John Carroll 83-75 W
A #91 Rose-Hulman 1/22

20-21 (#63)
A #66 Piedmont 69-71 L
N #12 E Texas Baptist 46-61 L
A #98 Hanover 87-67 W
H #98 Hanover 99-78 W
H #98 Hanover 69-65 W

19-20 (#40)
A #96 Berea 65-57 W
A #71 Wittenberg 59-56 W
H #45 Redlands 59-57 W

18-19 (#23)
H #65 Wittenberg 57-51 W
N #56 Johns Hopkins 65-73 L
H #28 Emory 90-87 OT W
H #88 Hanover 84-62 W
A #40 Rose-Hulman 59-77 L
H #5 Trine 63-52 W
A #88 Hanover 78-70 W
H #40 Rose-Hulman 61-47 W
H #40 Rose-Hulman 63-61 W
H #63 Oglethorpe 76-56 W
A #1 Thomas More 74-89 L

17-18 (#42)
A #30 Marietta 67-70 L
H #68 Otterbein 71-47 W
A #78 Hanover 69-75 L
H #19 Rose-Hulman 58-69 L
A #60 TCNJ 60-64 OT L
H #92 Oglethorpe 68-55 W
A #76 Bluffton 64-59 W
H #76 Bluffton 73-59 W
H #78 Hanover 69-59 W
A #19 Rose-Hulman 56-68 L
N #76 Bluffton 57-42 W
A #19 Rose-Hulman 51-57 L
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 06, 2022, 12:19:33 PM
Tufts was an away game.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RogK on January 06, 2022, 12:27:02 PM
FCGrizzliesGrad, for the prior seasons in your list, I assume the Massey ratings are the end-of-season ratings.
The ratings shown in your '21-'22 list for Tufts, RHIT and John Carroll will surely change by March.
I point this out solely for the purpose of being a minor irritant, not to diminish the effort you put into compiling the info. Ha!
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 06, 2022, 12:49:42 PM
Fixed the Tufts game. Previous years are season end rankings.

As far as this season goes... the next best teams are:
H #133 Berea 67-47 W
H #137 Piedmont 76-46 W
A #146 Bluffton 64-50 W
H #146 Bluffton 1/29
H #166 Capital 78-38 W
H/A #191 Hanover
no one else in the top 200. So while rankings will certainly change over the coming weeks, those 4 games listed previously could likely be their 4 toughest matchups. 

The HCAC has gone downhill in recent years... a few years ago Transylvania faced 2 or 3 other conference teams in the top 100... the past few seasons it's been at best one team barely in the top 100.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 06, 2022, 01:11:44 PM
Engine. I say this respectfully.    I know you didn't mean as a slight and fans always compare. But this isn't the sisters team.  They had a legacy and it was built largely around the superstar sister and to a lesser degree her sister.  I heard a lot of crap my daughters freshman year how people couldn't believe they were losing to the schools they were losing to.  This isn't rose tradition.  Well anyone has coached k owe that except for Duke you don't want the whole team to be freshman.   That is what these girls walked into.  The entire recruiting batch from year before left or quit.  All the upper classmen except Hannah woody had to leave because of academics or quit because the freshman were better.  So you had 7 freshman and 1 senior.  They were Snow White.  They always showed rebounding and defense ability but lacked true ball handlers.  The turn over ratio was crazy. You can't win games at 30 to.    Jamie and rowen have brought that guard play that allows jester to be in middle on press and she's tall and sees the floor so now the press is nothing and teams don't even try anymore

I watched some games the sisters last season. Not taking anything away from them and you would k ow more on this them I do. But I think this team is much deeper and I think Baum if not already will be even better then main sister. That girl does it all
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 06, 2022, 01:27:15 PM
The question now is can they set a legacy of their own now this year and next.  I don't see any of the girls coming back for additional year as they will all have very high paying job offers puppy graduation

I think this years Transy team is the best they have had. It will be interesting to see what happens at Rose    Does anyone know how the tie breaker works for conference. If rose should beat them.   They loss by 7 do they just need to win by more then 7. I just don't see either team being beat by any other team   If they do this then they will have a legacy to call their own. If not they will be dominate thier season and won't have the legacy but we're the bridge from one dominate team to Another
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 06, 2022, 01:54:58 PM
Interesting note I saw in the recap of mount saint Joe's massive come from behind victory over Hanover.  It appears all American Habernathy is leaving. She is a 5th year player.  Article says it was senior night and it was her last game at home.  Terrific scorer not much of a defender but I hope she is sticking around long enough to play In Transylvania game

hloe Jansen led the Lions 25 points and followed that up with 5 rebounds and 4 assists. Maddie Haberthy would add 17 points and 7 assists in her final game at the Harrington Center.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 06, 2022, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 06, 2022, 01:27:15 PM

I think this years Transy team is the best they have had.

I'm not ready to go there just yet, that 27 win '18-'19 group was a special team whose season ended on the National Champion Thomas More floor. This team has a way to go to reach that level.   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 06, 2022, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 06, 2022, 12:49:42 PM
Fixed the Tufts game. Previous years are season end rankings.

As far as this season goes... the next best teams are:
H #133 Berea 67-47 W
H #137 Piedmont 76-46 W
A #146 Bluffton 64-50 W
H #146 Bluffton 1/29
H #166 Capital 78-38 W
H/A #191 Hanover
no one else in the top 200. So while rankings will certainly change over the coming weeks, those 4 games listed previously could likely be their 4 toughest matchups. 

The HCAC has gone downhill in recent years... a few years ago Transylvania faced 2 or 3 other conference teams in the top 100... the past few seasons it's been at best one team barely in the top 100.

HCAC can only schedule 7 non-conference games so when they get into conference play the SOS take a hit, Transylvania's SOS was in the 30's before entering league play and now sits at 51st overall. By comparison RHIT is currently 110th and they have the benefit of playing Transy to help that number.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 06, 2022, 03:52:38 PM
Rose was supposed to play Rhodes also this year by but they cancelled with not giving Rose a reason.  I know people were not happy about how it was handled. This was before the new wave of every thing
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
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Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 06, 2022, 06:21:07 PM
So according to what I have been told new policy.  They are making the kids get booster shots.  If you have a booster shot and someone tests positive you will not be impacted but if you don't have the booster shot you are quarantined along with the test positive person for 10 days plus another 4-8 days depending on protocols and also must get a ekg test after at end abs pass
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2022, 08:24:22 PM
Here's the long version of the updated COVID policy from the NCAA (https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/ssi/COVID/SSI_ResocializationWinter2022.pdf), for anyone who wants to dig into the details. One key aspect is the revised definition of who is considered to be "fully vaccinated" (and thus is subject to fewer testing/quarantine/isolation requirements, as Jester notes):
QuoteFor the purpose of this document, the NCAA COVID-19 Medical Advisory Group recommends that individuals are considered fully vaccinated at the following times:
• Within two months of having completed the primary series of the J&J vaccine (one dose).
• Within five months of having completed the primary series of the mRNA Pfizer vaccine or within six months of having completed the primary series of the mRNA Moderna vaccine (two doses for both).
• Following a booster vaccine for those who are beyond two months of the J&J vaccine or beyond five or six months of the mRNA Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, respectively.
For the purposes of this document, the equivalent of "fully vaccinated" is a documented COVID-19 infection in the past 90 days. ...
The last three pages of the NCAA document list the suggested policies. Of course, individuals schools (or conferences) might choose to adopt more restrictive policies ... or, I suppose, less restrictive, but that might expose them to legal liability.
QuoteWhile the materials encourage consideration of various factors and actions, they do not speak to every possible scenario, and in no event should members fall below national or public health standards set by their local communities. ... These materials should not be used as a substitute for medical or legal advice. Rather, they are intended as a resource to provide guidance for member schools to use in coordination with applicable government and related institutional policies and guidelines, and they remain subject to revision as available data and information in this space continue to emerge and evolve.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 07, 2022, 02:20:04 PM
Rose update.   The woman's game is on the men's is cancelled.   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2022, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2022, 08:24:22 PM
Here's the long version of the updated COVID policy from the NCAA (https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/ssi/COVID/SSI_ResocializationWinter2022.pdf), for anyone who wants to dig into the details. One key aspect is the revised definition of who is considered to be "fully vaccinated" (and thus is subject to fewer testing/quarantine/isolation requirements, as Jester notes):
QuoteFor the purpose of this document, the NCAA COVID-19 Medical Advisory Group recommends that individuals are considered fully vaccinated at the following times:
• Within two months of having completed the primary series of the J&J vaccine (one dose).
• Within five months of having completed the primary series of the mRNA Pfizer vaccine or within six months of having completed the primary series of the mRNA Moderna vaccine (two doses for both).
• Following a booster vaccine for those who are beyond two months of the J&J vaccine or beyond five or six months of the mRNA Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, respectively.
For the purposes of this document, the equivalent of "fully vaccinated" is a documented COVID-19 infection in the past 90 days. ...
The last three pages of the NCAA document list the suggested policies. Of course, individuals schools (or conferences) might choose to adopt more restrictive policies ... or, I suppose, less restrictive, but that might expose them to legal liability.
QuoteWhile the materials encourage consideration of various factors and actions, they do not speak to every possible scenario, and in no event should members fall below national or public health standards set by their local communities. ... These materials should not be used as a substitute for medical or legal advice. Rather, they are intended as a resource to provide guidance for member schools to use in coordination with applicable government and related institutional policies and guidelines, and they remain subject to revision as available data and information in this space continue to emerge and evolve.

As I understand it, a school cannot adopt less restrictive policies. The recommended policies from the NCAA Medical Group are basically the bare minimum. Absolutely a school can have stricter policies based on themselves, the conference, even local health and government rules. They just can't be less than the NCAA's "recommendations."

Read "recommendations" as "minimums."
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 07, 2022, 04:57:16 PM
lol the smite train keeps rolling down the tracks   woooh wooooh
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 07, 2022, 05:00:10 PM
defiance covid issue  game called off against Transylvania  earlham vs hanover and manchester vs mt s t joe also cancelled

picks for sat

Rose
anderson
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 07, 2022, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 07, 2022, 05:00:10 PM
defiance covid issue  game called off against Transylvania  earlham vs hanover and manchester vs mt s t joe also cancelled

picks for sat

Rose
anderson

I think you might be losing it Jester; you picked these games once already. You have now picked Franklin and Anderson to win the same game.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2022, 07:01:10 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 07, 2022, 04:57:16 PM
lol the smite train keeps rolling down the tracks   woooh wooooh

It's been my experience from c. 20 years of posting, that complaining about karma almost guarantees getting smited! ;)

(But not from me.)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 07, 2022, 07:05:26 PM
Two questions:

#1 - Why are the regions re-named numerically and shuffled relative to last year(s)? For instance CCIW and Heartland now on same region board here (#8). Why no more Central and Great Lakes regions? Did D-III regions get re-shuffled by the NCAA or is it just here on these boards?

#2 - What in the world is a Smite?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 07, 2022, 07:20:32 PM
changed my mind after watching franklin  game has not been played new info changed my mind.   Just pulled into parking lot at airport to fly to Detroit to go to Bluffton vs Rose tommrrow. Got a text from daughter game is cancelled due to covid.    That leaves only anderson vs franklin for the day.

oh and i just find it funny on the smites what gets one persons craw is magic to someone else.  like in life its always easier to complain then to compliment
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 07, 2022, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 07, 2022, 07:05:26 PM
Two questions:

#2 - What in the world is a Smite?

I believe it is a three-pronged spear used by the Norwegians in Minnesota for ice fishing or a French word meaning spit on sidewalk.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 07, 2022, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 07, 2022, 07:20:32 PM
... Just pulled into parking lot at airport to fly to Detroit to go to Bluffton vs Rose tommrrow. Got a text from daughter game is cancelled due to covid....
Sad the game got cancelled, but at least I'm glad you got the news before your flight.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 08, 2022, 08:06:14 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 07, 2022, 07:05:26 PM
Two questions:

#1 - Why are the regions re-named numerically and shuffled relative to last year(s)? For instance CCIW and Heartland now on same region board here (#8). Why no more Central and Great Lakes regions? Did D-III regions get re-shuffled by the NCAA or is it just here on these boards?

#2 - What in the world is a Smite?
Last year there were 8 regions, the NCAA redid the regions and now there are 10. They didn't bother to give them names but they're basically: 1-Northeast North, 2-Northeast South, 3-East, 4-Atlantic, 5-Mid-Atlantic, 6-South, 7-Great Lakes 8-Midwest, 9-Upper Midwest, 10-Islands

If you look to the left, below the post count is karma, once you have I believe 200 posts you can applaud or smite. For instance you've been applauded 17 times and smited 17 times.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 08, 2022, 02:56:27 PM
Well something you don't se every day but with Covid.   Anderson beats Franklin finishing with only 4 players on the court
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 08, 2022, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 08, 2022, 02:56:27 PM
Well something you don't se every day but with Covid.   Anderson beats Franklin finishing with only 4 players on the court
Only 6 Ravens in uniform and 2 fouled out. They only had to play the final 5 seconds with four though otherwise they might not have held on for a 68-64 win.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 08, 2022, 04:27:54 PM
Rose game against Manchester cancelled. Entire team on 5 day quarantine due to one person testing positve even though rest of team negative.  Nothing changes so I'll just keep my thoughts to myslef how people are bing tobbe dog experiences and memories that will never get back due to a bug that so the flue to young people
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 09, 2022, 02:07:14 PM
Bluffton 76 Defiance 71 OT
Earlham Transylvania
Anderson 56 Manchester 71
Franklin 31 Rose-Hulman 69
Hanover 74 Mount St. Joseph 82

Mount St. Joseph Manchester
Rose-Hulman Bluffton
Hanover Earlham
Defiance Transylvania
Franklin 64 Anderson 68


Baldini   3-2  15-7
Jester    3-2  15-7
FCGG     2-3  13-9
Enginerd 1-3  1-3


Conference standings
Transylvania    3-0 (10-0)
Rose-Hulman     4-1  (6-4)
Manchester      3-1  (6-5)
Anderson        3-3  (6-7)
Defiance        2-3  (7-4)
Bluffton        2-3  (7-5)
Hanover         2-3  (5-5)
Mount St Joseph 2-3  (5-7)
Franklin        2-3  (4-8)
Earlham         0-3  (0-10)



Conference games
January 12th
Mount St. Joseph @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Hanover @ Franklin 7:00 PM
Manchester @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Bluffton @ Earlham 7:30 PM
Anderson @ Defiance 7:30 PM

January 15th
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman 1:00 PM
Manchester @ Hanover 1:00 PM
Earlham @ Mount St. Joseph 1:00 PM
Transylvania @ Anderson 1:00 PM
luffton @ Franklin 2:00 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 09, 2022, 02:52:51 PM
Manchester vs rose doesn't show yet but has been cancelled
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 09, 2022, 11:27:41 PM
January 12th
Mount St. Joseph @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Hanover @ Franklin 7:00 PM
Manchester @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Bluffton @ Earlham 7:30 PM
Anderson @ Defiance 7:30 PM

January 15th
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman 1:00 PM
Manchester @ Hanover 1:00 PM
Earlham @ Mount St. Joseph 1:00 PM
Transylvania @ Anderson 1:00 PM
Bluffton @ Franklin 2:00 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 10, 2022, 12:00:21 AM
12th
Transy
Hanover
Bluffton
defiance

15th
rose
hanover
mt st joe
Transy
bluffton
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 11, 2022, 01:39:22 PM
Just keeps getting worse and worse. Rose will now not be playing till next Wednesday,
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 11, 2022, 07:32:35 PM
The Transylvania game with Mt. Saint Joseph on the 12th has been canceled, but Transylvania has scheduled Wilmington College to replace that game tomorrow night.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 12, 2022, 04:21:42 PM
Not bothering to figure out who's playing or not so I'm just picking everything as if cancellations weren't a thing.

Mount St. Joseph @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Hanover @ Franklin 7:00 PM
Manchester @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Bluffton @ Earlham 7:30 PM
Anderson @ Defiance 7:30 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 13, 2022, 03:53:31 PM
Rose just announced I believe it's league wide. No spectators
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 14, 2022, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 08, 2022, 04:27:54 PM
Rose game against Manchester cancelled. Entire team on 5 day quarantine due to one person testing positve even though rest of team negative.  Nothing changes so I'll just keep my thoughts to myslef how people are bing tobbe dog experiences and memories that will never get back due to a bug that so the flue to young people

Ok Jester - Now my youngest son actually worked in signals intelligence in the Navy. I sent him this post and asked for his thoughts on the statement at the end of your post above "...so I'll just keep my thoughts to myslef how people are bing tobbe dog experiences and memories that will never get back due to a bug that so the flue to young people".

He was certain that statement would keep a team of dedicated cryptologists busy for a good long while - but based on years of intelligence experience he also suggested the following:

#1 - You could be a spy-master activating a sleeper cell of North Korean terrorists that use trained dogs to spread an infectious disease via people's chimneys.
#2 - You might be intentionally leaving a cipher for generations of Division III women's basketball sleuths to unravel years in the future a la the Zodiac in San Francisco from the 1960's.
#3 - You're possibly saying something about the state of women's basketball in this era of Covid.

He says if it's #1 you've probably already had your door kicked-in - in the middle of the night and that you are likely wearing a hood with poor ventilation somewhere in DC right now.

If it's #2 or #3 we'll hopefully hear from you again very soon. I don't want to be the only RHIT fan on this board!

LoL
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2022, 04:46:55 PM
Engine I actually served in the USAF at a special operations base at Hurlbert Field in Ft. Walton Beach FL in the first gulf war.   Tell your son thank you for his service and Im sure the Navy still has the best food especially on subs.   I would like to say this was a deep hidden message for only a selected few to figure out and that i had coded it as to not get our friends on the other boards mad at me once again and get more smites. Right now china is more  popular then me.  But alas its just a middle age man without any typing skills and it appears has forgotten how to read.

Some news for you on Rose.  Not official yet but they could be going into Anderson down 3 starters including their 2 leading scorers which is their back court and their best defender .  This could be a trap game.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2022, 11:03:24 PM
a spite on a comment that cannot possibly offend maybe this bugs me more then i think god i hope not but seriously whoever gave me number 57 take that trolling hate roll it up and look in the mirror light it up take a puff and smile and say to yourself i showed him with a look of self satisfaction that can only can come to a virtuous and  special person that you are.   To know that you are the embodiment of what a person should be that your opinion and views are obviously the right ones.    If you dont subscribe to your thoughts then obviously you should be shamed and mocked.


Or it could just been Baldini messing with me and giving me a smite.  LOL
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2022, 11:11:07 PM
Jester, the fundamental problem with applaud/smite is that there is no way to know WHAT post (if ANY specific one) is being smited.  For all you know, the smite may have come from someone reading last week's posts, or a post on an entirely different thread.  Do NOT fall into the trap of assuming the smite (or applaud, for that matter) is a response to your latest post.

(And no, I didn't give you that smite!)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2022, 11:59:54 PM
i thought the last line would give the indication that the top was a parody.  Smite your little hearts out.  After i retire from here next year i might leave with the worst percentage rate of applause to smites. Better to live then not to live at all
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 15, 2022, 01:52:47 PM
Old fashion rock fight going on in Anderson. Transylvania held Anderson to 2 points in the first quarter, Transylvania now leads 31-13 at the half.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 15, 2022, 01:54:42 PM
Missed all the 1pm tips... but I'll take Bluffton to continue the Grizzlies 6 game losing streak.
I would have taken Rose, Hanover, MSJ, and Transy
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 15, 2022, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 15, 2022, 01:54:42 PM
Missed all the 1pm tips... but I'll take Bluffton to continue the Grizzlies 6 game losing streak.
I would have taken Rose, Hanover, MSJ, and Transy

I'm cool with using your picks, but I'm not the only one in the contest either.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 15, 2022, 08:56:15 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 14, 2022, 11:59:54 PM
i thought the last line would give the indication that the top was a parody.  Smite your little hearts out.  After i retire from here next year i might leave with the worst percentage rate of applause to smites. Better to live then not to live at all

You'll be remembered as the "Ty Webb"...oops...I meant the "Ty Cobb" of the D3Hoops boards!!
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 15, 2022, 09:36:08 PM
This might help me get some applause even though it means pandering. My weekley poker game takes the extra dollar out of a pot and today for the last 3 weeks we donated 400 bucks to st jude.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 16, 2022, 06:41:46 PM
Well its desperate time.  Road game on Wednesday at Anderson and Rose will be going with only 7 players.   4 starters not going  including 2 leading scorers.  They do have their whole backcourt so hopefully they can just pound and pound it inside.  Also not sure yet how many will be available for Transy game on Saturday.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 16, 2022, 08:27:54 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 16, 2022, 06:41:46 PM
Well its desperate time.  Road game on Wednesday at Anderson and Rose will be going with only 7 players.   4 starters not going  including 2 leading scorers.  They do have their whole backcourt so hopefully they can just pound and pound it inside.  Also not sure yet how many will be available for Transy game on Saturday.

Good idea, get the excuses lined out well in advance. Don't forget to keep that bad refereeing card in your hand. Lol
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 16, 2022, 11:46:29 PM
wtf you talking about covid has taken out 3 starters which are their  3 primary ball handlers . im saying this will be a trap game for them. Anderson can do some things and its at their place.  Their bigs will have to carry the load and ball handlers that have had issues with turnovers in the past will have to take care of the ball.

They do have their trees all going so this will be a game where Igehon needs to show she is back and not get 3 fouls in 4 minutes like she did in her first game back.  Can Barlow handle the double teams that she will get with both Baum and Hein out of the game.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 18, 2022, 03:32:16 PM
Jan 19 picks

Hate to do this but Anderson over Rose.  Rose will have only 6 players and only 2 guards neither ones being their leading scorers
Transy over Hanover
Defiance over Earlham
Bluffton over Manchester
Franklin over mount saint joe

jan 22nd
anderson over mt st jo
manchester over earlham
hanover over bluffton
franklin over defiance
Transy over Rose


Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 18, 2022, 07:15:57 PM
No game tomorrow for rose it has been cancelled
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 19, 2022, 01:42:47 PM
Transylvania @ Hanover 7:00 PM   
Defiance @ Earlham 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph @ Franklin 7:30 PM   
Manchester @ Bluffton 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Anderson Cancelled
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 19, 2022, 02:41:23 PM
19th
Transylvania
Defiance
Franklin
Bluffton

22nd
Manchester
Anderson
Bluffton
Defiance
Transylvania
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 19, 2022, 03:40:50 PM
Franklin
Bluffton
Defiance
Upset Special of The Week - Hanover
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 19, 2022, 08:34:51 PM
Engine. A little wide right in Hanover pick

Update the game Saturday against Transy will be played.  Rose will have 10 players. Last game hopefully my kid misses and 2 other bench players will be out.  But 4 started will be back including the guards
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 19, 2022, 08:36:08 PM
Franklin. Donate some money to your school so they can get this. Guy a microphone that doesn't sound like he's underwater
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 20, 2022, 03:00:30 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 19, 2022, 08:36:08 PM
Franklin. Donate some money to your school so they can get this. Guy a microphone that doesn't sound like he's underwater
It's been that way for years. Hard to listen to. Definitely not the same one as football because that one is usually clear but too quiet.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 20, 2022, 12:28:42 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 19, 2022, 08:34:51 PM
Engine. A little wide right in Hanover pick

Update the game Saturday against Transy will be played.  Rose will have 10 players. Last game hopefully my kid misses and 2 other bench players will be out.  But 4 started will be back including the guards

Indeed but also did not anticipate Hanover having to start four freshmen and a rarely counted-upon senior last night vs. Transy, either. The real shocker last night saw Franklin - with Cross and Nix - losing to a Haberthy-less MSJ AT HOME. What in the world...
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 20, 2022, 12:54:43 PM
Back to back games Franklin had a shot at the buzzer to win but missed to lose by 1. Since the disaster against Rose, they've lost their last four by a combined 12 points. But they've still lost 8 in a row since beating Manchester on Dec 11.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2022, 12:45:22 PM
Earlham @ Manchester
Mount St Joseph @ Anderson
Hanover @ Bluffton
Franklin @ Defiance
Transylvania @ Rose-Hulman
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 22, 2022, 12:54:49 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 20, 2022, 12:54:43 PM
Back to back games Franklin had a shot at the buzzer to win but missed to lose by 1. Since the disaster against Rose, they've lost their last four by a combined 12 points. But they've still lost 8 in a row since beating Manchester on Dec 11.

I didn't pick'em today, so they got a chance. Lol
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 22, 2022, 01:22:44 PM
Earlham @ Manchester - Manchester

Mount St Joseph @ Anderson - MSJ

Hanover @ Bluffton - Bluffton

Franklin @ Defiance - Defiance

Transylvania @ Rose-Hulman - I have to choose RHIT but have major concerns about their legs and conditioning after two weeks off and apparently multiple Covid cases. Any idea how many Covid cases and where the team is, physically Jester?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 22, 2022, 01:24:36 PM
Quote from: Baldini on January 22, 2022, 12:54:49 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 20, 2022, 12:54:43 PM
Back to back games Franklin had a shot at the buzzer to win but missed to lose by 1. Since the disaster against Rose, they've lost their last four by a combined 12 points. But they've still lost 8 in a row since beating Manchester on Dec 11.

I didn't pick'em today, so they got a chance. Lol

Franklin is more talented than the won/loss column indicates. They'll put it together eventually - hopefully against somebody other than RHIT!
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 22, 2022, 02:05:24 PM
They will have a majority of team back today.    My kid and ally the volleyball post player are out.  I think a couple of depth players out also.  They will have 10
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 22, 2022, 04:17:49 PM
Half time. Transy 32 rose 31.  Girls playing well. Great contribution from Peyton Miller getting more minutes.   Played most of 2nd quarter without standout Hein in foul trouble.  So for them to be hanging without her scoring.    Giving up to much on offensive boards.    Frustrating watching Stacy getting open 3 looks when I know if the kid had been cleared she would be taking that away

But the bench is providing scoring. Baum not dominating rebounding like she has in past but is starting to warm up.  Rose has come back twice now down 9 early took a 1 point lead.  Then got down 7  Ana's came back again to be down 1 at half
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 22, 2022, 04:51:31 PM
Start of fourth rose 52 transy 46.  Was falling apart but to big 3 at end of quarter only 8 points total between Baum and hein.   Hein in foul trouble whole game hardly playing
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 22, 2022, 05:16:53 PM
Unbeleivable  a no call on transy givews them the ball with 1 second  rose fouls 2 free trows need to make just one and transy misses both overtime
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 22, 2022, 05:33:59 PM
Very fun game to watch. This is the kind of game that will make both teams better moving forward. Hopefully we get a round 3 in the tournament. Tip of the hat to both teams today.

Final: Transylvania 72, RHIT 68 in OT
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 22, 2022, 05:43:20 PM
Transy wins 72-68 in overtime.   First great job by girls who dont play as heavy minutes. They should have won the game.  the heavy hitters tried to ice the game at end  but just couldn't get shots to fall,   ok now the negative.    They need to learn how to stay composed.   step on a teams neck.    The non call at end of game of ball bowling over rose player and not getting the foul to put rose at the line to win the game was inexcusable.   

Credit to ball for sinking 2 huge 3s and Transy never losing focus    It went what i thought would happen. with the kid out  the players who got her minutes would score more but would give up way more points and turn the ball over more. The other Jester is really good at getting ball into the post to barlow and that struggled today. Lastly and this is on Rose-Hulman  you keep continuing to put inept people at the scoreboard who do not know what they are doing at the clock and it cost you a game today. 4 times there would have been shot clock violations and for some reason  he reset the shot clock. Refs did reverse one but the most important he d id it again and it cost Rose a 3 .  Not even talking about how many times the game had to stop because they didnt  start the clock. Including taking the momentum away in overtime after a made shot to make 2 point game with 33 seconds and just killing them by having game stop

Announcers said both teams should be in the tournament.  Neither team will lose again this year and will face each other in transy for the championship game.  I doubt they would get in with 5 losses and not winning championship but 2 of their losses would  against Transy one vs depauw  one vs North Park and in first game of year missing players but they will be their conference champs im pretty sure Berea    So all quality losses  along with a win over IWU.  They defiantly wouldn't be a team you would want in what you think would be an easy first round game
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2022, 06:38:12 PM
Franklin had a 2 point lead headed to the 4th, but Defiance went on a 13-2 run to start the quarter. Grizzlies cut the lead down to 2 with under 3 minutes left but couldn't get closer. Shot 2 of 13 from behind the arc and committed too many fouls. Yellow Jackets hit 27 of 33 from the line.
Good news is winless Earlham is up next, bad news is last time they were scheduled to play it was cancelled.

Anderson destroyed MSJ right out of the gate. Ravens had a 14-0 lead before the Lions hit a FT midway through the quarter, then Anderson went on a 19-0 run before MSJ hit their first FG 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter. It was 30-1 after one quarter.

Rose has a good team but the profile just isn't there to get a pool C bid. They've played several good teams but lost them all (even if the largest margin is only 10). The good news is they are certainly capable of winning the conference tournament and getting pool A. It's a far cry from the preseason poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/10/22/2021-22-womens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx) which had them tied for 7th a looooong way behind 6th.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 22, 2022, 11:39:03 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2022, 06:38:12 PM
Franklin had a 2 point lead headed to the 4th, but Defiance went on a 13-2 run to start the quarter. Grizzlies cut the lead down to 2 with under 3 minutes left but couldn't get closer. Shot 2 of 13 from behind the arc and committed too many fouls. Yellow Jackets hit 27 of 33 from the line.
Good news is winless Earlham is up next, bad news is last time they were scheduled to play it was cancelled.

Anderson destroyed MSJ right out of the gate. Ravens had a 14-0 lead before the Lions hit a FT midway through the quarter, then Anderson went on a 19-0 run before MSJ hit their first FG 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter. It was 30-1 after one quarter.

Rose has a good team but the profile just isn't there to get a pool C bid. They've played several good teams but lost them all (even if the largest margin is only 10). The good news is they are certainly capable of winning the conference tournament and getting pool A. It's a far cry from the preseason poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/10/22/2021-22-womens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx) which had them tied for 7th a looooong way behind 6th.

Agreed - the Fightin' Engineers are not Pool C candidates this season. They are 1-3 against likely RRO and just got off to a slow start.

After watching today, and knowing the team has not played in two weeks and many of the girls are shaking off Covid, it's apparent to me that if Transy is the #3 team in the country, RHIT is as good as anyone that IS ranked, with but a handful of exceptions such as Hope.

They missed Jester's length on defense and Fults' rebounding and defense today - and it's obvious that Hein and Baum are still a little shaky from the lay-off. Hopefully they'll respect everyone left on the schedule and not lose a game they shouldn't to finish 14-5 (12-2) and get the #2 seed for the HCAC Tournament. This is a two-team show and RHIT will be a hell of a tough out in late-February/early March.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2022, 12:48:39 AM
I will just say this.  Kellion made 6 3 pointers today.  When the kid had her in the first game she didnt make any and had one when she was on bench.  Held to 10 points on only 3 baskets.

Today though they held stacy to only 2 3s after she torched them for 6 in first game .   

what i amazed when i watch some schools is usually there is one really talented scorer sometimes 2 and really good teams 3 . But most have one dominant scorer. You dont see many box and ones and I owuld run that in aau tournaments when a girl was averaging 25 and you just take them away dont have her defender help anyone. Make  others beat you. alot of times teams dont know how to function if their top scorer is not a factor
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 23, 2022, 07:34:26 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 22, 2022, 11:39:03 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2022, 06:38:12 PM
Franklin had a 2 point lead headed to the 4th, but Defiance went on a 13-2 run to start the quarter. Grizzlies cut the lead down to 2 with under 3 minutes left but couldn't get closer. Shot 2 of 13 from behind the arc and committed too many fouls. Yellow Jackets hit 27 of 33 from the line.
Good news is winless Earlham is up next, bad news is last time they were scheduled to play it was cancelled.

Anderson destroyed MSJ right out of the gate. Ravens had a 14-0 lead before the Lions hit a FT midway through the quarter, then Anderson went on a 19-0 run before MSJ hit their first FG 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter. It was 30-1 after one quarter.

Rose has a good team but the profile just isn't there to get a pool C bid. They've played several good teams but lost them all (even if the largest margin is only 10). The good news is they are certainly capable of winning the conference tournament and getting pool A. It's a far cry from the preseason poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/10/22/2021-22-womens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx) which had them tied for 7th a looooong way behind 6th.

Agreed - the Fightin' Engineers are not Pool C candidates this season. They are 1-3 against likely RRO and just got off to a slow start.

After watching today, and knowing the team has not played in two weeks and many of the girls are shaking off Covid, it's apparent to me that if Transy is the #3 team in the country, RHIT is as good as anyone that IS ranked, with but a handful of exceptions such as Hope.

They missed Jester's length on defense and Fults' rebounding and defense today - and it's obvious that Hein and Baum are still a little shaky from the lay-off. Hopefully they'll respect everyone left on the schedule and not lose a game they shouldn't to finish 14-5 (12-2) and get the #2 seed for the HCAC Tournament. This is a two-team show and RHIT will be a hell of a tough out in late-February/early March.

Had some internet trouble so didn't get to see all of the game but it sure was a nail biter.  Agree with most everything you said; RHIT vastly improved, solid and scrappy and will be a tough out for anyone.  I can't imagine they will lose again before the tournament except maybe to Transy and that is no sure thing either.  They have a real shot at the AQ.

On the other hand, on eye test Transy doesn't look like the #3 team to me.  Massey has them at #12 and that seems more likely.  The defense looked very porous to me; if RHIT hits one or two more of those open 12 footers in the lane the game goes the other way.  Seems to me voters are still giving lots of weight to the Tufts win (no doubt, it was a great win) but the voters also had Tufts much higher at the time.  Then again, Transy keeps beating everyone while most of the other top teams have taken losses, what more can they do?  Voters usually loathe to drop a team unless it takes a loss.  I could be way off; this is really the only time I've seen them this year and could just be that RHIT gave them a really tough game.  Really not fair to judge on basically one game.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2022, 11:25:57 AM
Round I would also say this.  Much like the central division in football the teams really know each other so its always a tough game no matter strength of squad.   Its the same for Rose and Transy. The Rose squad you are watching are mostly juniors who all came in together and as freshman there were 7 of them and 1 senior thats it.  All the upperclassmen left for one reason or another and the whole recruiting classes from the previous 2 years just to be blunt couldn't cut the rigors of the school or decided basketball was to hard to participate and keep up with their studies. 

Even then though they have given Transy hard fought games. They just bring out really good play in each other. I think the rivalry is just there.  Now dont get me wrong I believe Rose is the best 6-5 team in the country. If they scheduled like most teams they would probably only have 2 losses instead of 5.   The talent they have is top 25 in the country when whole squad is not in covid.  They will have the ability to beat Transy but in their gym its difficult but i hope they do. This group of players has bridge the gap from the rose team considered the best in their history to another  run as a really good team.  Those 7 freshman took their beatings heard the insults on how can they be losing to programs that they had been crushing for the last 4 years.   Now those same players along obviously with hein and baum are showing and saying hey if we had anything in the cupboard when we were freshman we would have been just fine.   Its a long way from their first game a 40 plus loss to Berea and having 36 turnovers.   Those 7 freshman Wilson was a sophomore but didnt play ball as a freshman have come so far and hopefully will get a chance to show what a team of really smart kids who on average is each paying 25-40-k a year for school who are just dedicated to excelling at every stage of college. They are not made to fail and the atmosphere is  we wont allow you to fail if you put in the work and time.  Basketball is important to the players but just speaking on my kids behalf its not the end all to be all.

I was a parent proud of my daughters talents like most parents.  Then one time when we were going on school visits she said to me Dad. I love basketball but basketball is just a part of me its not  just who i am.  Made this guy reevaluate how he was handling his daughters  visits and what did she want to get out of basketball not what I wanted.

I am once again going through that as I really would love to see her play an extra year she is the last of my kids but i know its not going to happen as when i brought it up she just simply said No Dad we are all going to be making  six figures and having jobs but ill make sure I play you in a couple games of Horse.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2022, 11:34:33 AM
Franklin  did you just graduate way more talent then i remember or did you lose players to attrition. I remember 2 years ago franklin being athletic and quick and young just seems you have fallen  more greatly then  they should have,   Nix good player and Cross scores but she does not move well at all she in my opinion is one of those players I  talk about that score 14 but she gives up 10 or more on the defensive side or because she doesn't get back quick enough.

I know Kahlan was really nervous to play them she just remembered how in the past it was a tough matchup style wise for them but it wasn't the case this year but Franklin also didnt have Cross
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 23, 2022, 12:02:22 PM
Jester, makes sense.  Hope/Calvin is usually the same way, always close hard fought games.  A little different these past few years as Hope has been unusually strong and Calvin has had a deeper down cycle than is typical.

The extra year thing is really tough.  The reality is most of these young women are not as focused on the sport as their male counterparts to begin with and when they leave college most will hang up the sneakers for good and not think much about it.  To your point the opportunity cost of that extra year for your daughter is maybe $60K for tuition and fees PLUS losing that year of an engineer's salary, could total $150K or more.  That's magnified because it is early in a career, could end up being one of the largest financial decisions of her life.  I know it's not all about the benjamins but that's a pretty big deal.  As a parent, I'd probably only endorse the extra year if the college had graduate programs in line with her career interest or it allowed a double degree (engineering and business is a fabulous combo).
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2022, 12:59:15 PM
Thats my hope as a dad who doesnt want it to end but knows it will.  That her job would want her to get a masters and offer to pay it but even then I know it will be a no unless for some reason she was at home. But she has been offered jobs already  upon graduation with major companies. I think the coolest thing so far was she was interviewed by the secret service.  Not her cup of tea but I think its very cool.  I have learned with my daughter at Rose.  Is man i really was going nowhere as a kid.  I didnt have anyone talking to me. I wasn't getting flown on Private planes to companies and getting 30 bucks a hour as an intern. Being interviewed by state departments and secret service.  I was playing a mean game of pool though. Thank god for the military for growing me up.

I kid but it is really amazing just the different world that opens up for a person in high academics  Im not as smart as my daughter but if kids like me had any idea what world would open up for them we might have tried a little harder in school. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 23, 2022, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 23, 2022, 07:34:26 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 22, 2022, 11:39:03 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2022, 06:38:12 PM
Franklin had a 2 point lead headed to the 4th, but Defiance went on a 13-2 run to start the quarter. Grizzlies cut the lead down to 2 with under 3 minutes left but couldn't get closer. Shot 2 of 13 from behind the arc and committed too many fouls. Yellow Jackets hit 27 of 33 from the line.
Good news is winless Earlham is up next, bad news is last time they were scheduled to play it was cancelled.

Anderson destroyed MSJ right out of the gate. Ravens had a 14-0 lead before the Lions hit a FT midway through the quarter, then Anderson went on a 19-0 run before MSJ hit their first FG 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter. It was 30-1 after one quarter.

Rose has a good team but the profile just isn't there to get a pool C bid. They've played several good teams but lost them all (even if the largest margin is only 10). The good news is they are certainly capable of winning the conference tournament and getting pool A. It's a far cry from the preseason poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/10/22/2021-22-womens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx) which had them tied for 7th a looooong way behind 6th.

Agreed - the Fightin' Engineers are not Pool C candidates this season. They are 1-3 against likely RRO and just got off to a slow start.

After watching today, and knowing the team has not played in two weeks and many of the girls are shaking off Covid, it's apparent to me that if Transy is the #3 team in the country, RHIT is as good as anyone that IS ranked, with but a handful of exceptions such as Hope.

They missed Jester's length on defense and Fults' rebounding and defense today - and it's obvious that Hein and Baum are still a little shaky from the lay-off. Hopefully they'll respect everyone left on the schedule and not lose a game they shouldn't to finish 14-5 (12-2) and get the #2 seed for the HCAC Tournament. This is a two-team show and RHIT will be a hell of a tough out in late-February/early March.

Had some internet trouble so didn't get to see all of the game but it sure was a nail biter.  Agree with most everything you said; RHIT vastly improved, solid and scrappy and will be a tough out for anyone.  I can't imagine they will lose again before the tournament except maybe to Transy and that is no sure thing either.  They have a real shot at the AQ.

On the other hand, on eye test Transy doesn't look like the #3 team to me.  Massey has them at #12 and that seems more likely.  The defense looked very porous to me; if RHIT hits one or two more of those open 12 footers in the lane the game goes the other way.  Seems to me voters are still giving lots of weight to the Tufts win (no doubt, it was a great win) but the voters also had Tufts much higher at the time.  Then again, Transy keeps beating everyone while most of the other top teams have taken losses, what more can they do?  Voters usually loathe to drop a team unless it takes a loss.  I could be way off; this is really the only time I've seen them this year and could just be that RHIT gave them a really tough game.  Really not fair to judge on basically one game.

Yesterday was the game that clinched (at least) two home games in the NCAA Tournament for Transylvania. They aren't going to lose to anyone else they play this year other than possibly RHIT in the HCAC Championship game. Even if they WERE to lose that game they'll still host. The NCAA apparently loves Lexington, KY's location and Transy hosted a couple years ago when they absolutely DIDN'T deserve to host - so they're hosting a pod opening weekend win or lose on February 26th - you can take that to the bank.

They'll get a pretty good draw with the ODAC champion, the USA South champ, and an at-large from just about anywhere east of the Mississippi. They'll have a great shot to win both games and then they'll have to hope they won't run into Hope until the Elite 8  - because that's where there season will end - whenever they play Hope. Just like everyone else in March.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2022, 07:30:58 PM
I have been told the same about lexington as far as it being loved for games to be played
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 24, 2022, 10:28:29 AM
Ilike using the massey program but i dont understand how rose falls 6 spots with a loss to well the program has them number 12 Transy  by 4 in overtime. seems that would warrant a move up
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 24, 2022, 10:45:14 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 24, 2022, 10:28:29 AM
Ilike using the massey program but i dont understand how rose falls 6 spots with a loss to well the program has them number 12 Transy  by 4 in overtime. seems that would warrant a move up

Well the whole Massey system is based on complex mathematical models and simultaneous equations so there's probably no easy answer to your question.  But one thing Massey points out is that the result of one game is not the entire story; one has to look at all the other results (who won, who lost, what were respective schedule strengths, etc) to better understand why a team is rated where it's rated.

One note from Massey: "Aggressive scheduling is not penalized, but instead raises the potential rating that a team may reach. However, scheduling alone doesn't earn a high rating - there must be success against it.  For a single game, it is better to defeat a poor team than lose to a good team. However, that team's ranking may fall because another team had a more impressive win."

Also:  "In essence, each game "connects" two teams via an equation. As more games are played, eventually each team is connected to every other team through some chain of games. When this happens, the system of equations is coupled and a computer is necessary to solve them simultaneously.  The ratings are totally interdependent, so that a team's rating is affected by games in which it didn't even play. The solution therefore effectively depends on an infinite chain of opponents, opponents' opponents, opponents' opponents' opponents, etc. The final ratings represent a state of equilibrium in which each team's rating is exactly balanced by its good and bad performances."

If you're really having trouble sleeping, you can dive in here:  https://masseyratings.com/theory/massey.htm#overview

Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 24, 2022, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 24, 2022, 10:45:14 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 24, 2022, 10:28:29 AM
Ilike using the massey program but i dont understand how rose falls 6 spots with a loss to well the program has them number 12 Transy  by 4 in overtime. seems that would warrant a move up

Well the whole Massey system is based on complex mathematical models and simultaneous equations so there's probably no easy answer to your question.  But one thing Massey points out is that the result of one game is not the entire story; one has to look at all the other results (who won, who lost, what were respective schedule strengths, etc) to better understand why a team is rated where it's rated.

One note from Massey: "Aggressive scheduling is not penalized, but instead raises the potential rating that a team may reach. However, scheduling alone doesn't earn a high rating - there must be success against it.  For a single game, it is better to defeat a poor team than lose to a good team. However, that team's ranking may fall because another team had a more impressive win."

Also:  "In essence, each game "connects" two teams via an equation. As more games are played, eventually each team is connected to every other team through some chain of games. When this happens, the system of equations is coupled and a computer is necessary to solve them simultaneously.  The ratings are totally interdependent, so that a team's rating is affected by games in which it didn't even play. The solution therefore effectively depends on an infinite chain of opponents, opponents' opponents, opponents' opponents' opponents, etc. The final ratings represent a state of equilibrium in which each team's rating is exactly balanced by its good and bad performances."

If you're really having trouble sleeping, you can dive in here:  https://masseyratings.com/theory/massey.htm#overview

It's difficult for me to take Massey very seriously when RHIT is ranked 99th - fully 67 spots behind a team (IWU) they beat on their home floor - and they'd beat them again if they played tomorrow. Plus- there are multiple teams with LOSING records ahead of RHIT.

99th is a joke.

Bottom line - RHIT is one of the 30 best teams in Division III basketball, but to prove it they'll need to finally take care of Transy on Feb. 26th. RHIT is not the 99th-best team in America. Anyone who's seen them play from their third game of the year on would agree.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2022, 01:45:27 PM

Massey is going to be even farther off than normal this year, because it doesn't take into account who's playing in any game.  All the COVID games, with missed players, and out of the ordinary results are just factored into the algorithms, regardless of reality.  I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 24, 2022, 02:12:36 PM
The problem for RHIT with Massey is they use all the games, as much as some RHIT fans want to wish away the loses to Berea and North Park they are still used. RHIT hanging their hat on one quality win just isn't enough for a team 1 game over .500. Losing close games really isn't flying, it's just falling with style. (Stealing one from Woody there.) 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 24, 2022, 02:26:51 PM
Massey is just math.  It can't eyeball a team, nor does it really comprehend a really significant improvement in play, new players or injuries, or similar.  Aside from the win vs IWU (#32), what Massey "sees" in RHIT is losses to everyone rated #138 or better and all the wins coming against teams rated #190 or worse.   But I agree, RHIT is playing MUCH better now than it's Massey rating, top 30 seems plausible to me. 

I find Massey to be surprisingly accurate starting after January 1 and only when teams being considered are generally playing to the same form that they have all along.  If something significant has changed, it isn't very useful.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 24, 2022, 02:32:41 PM
ok ill put up their non conference against almost anyone's. Now all of sudden North park is a bad team. Berea is going to win their conference.   Webster plays in the worse conference  and are up way high because they have beaten up on the sisters of the poor.  There is a huge difference in holding your own against top 20 teams  and now top 5 teams then having a schedule that lines up puff creams. Or in some parts of the country cream puffs.   now you can argue from here on out Rose schedule wont be hard as hanover and franklin have taken a step back

Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 24, 2022, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 24, 2022, 02:32:41 PM
ok ill put up their non conference against almost anyone's. Now all of sudden North park is a bad team. Berea is going to win their conference.   Webster plays in the worse conference  and are up way high because they have beaten up on the sisters of the poor.  There is a huge difference in holding your own against top 20 teams  and now top 5 teams then having a schedule that lines up puff creams. Or in some parts of the country cream puffs.   now you can argue from here on out Rose schedule wont be hard as hanover and franklin have taken a step back

When was this game with Webster? It is not on either teams website, D3 Hoops, Massey, no one lists the game as having been played. This isn't the overactive Jester imagination at work again, is it?

RHIT had a very nice non-conference schedule for them, but hardly a murders row.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 24, 2022, 06:59:14 PM
No I was using Webster as a example of a school with a great record but haven't played much of anyone but are undefeated
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 25, 2022, 08:28:46 PM
game picks 

tomorrow
Rose over hanover
Transy over manchester
St joe over defiance
franklin over earlham
anderson over bluffton

saturday
franklin over manchester
anderson over earlham
defiance over hanover
rose over joe
transy over bluffton
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 26, 2022, 11:50:08 AM
Manchester @ Transylvania
Mount St. Joseph @ Defiance
Earlham @ Franklin
Anderson @ Bluffton
Hanover @ RHIT

Defiance @ Hanover
Manchester @ Franklin
Anderson @ Earlham
RHIT @ Mount St. Joseph
Bluffton @ Transylvania
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 26, 2022, 02:37:18 PM
Transylvania wins their afternoon affair 64-36 over Manchester.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 26, 2022, 06:29:58 PM
All home teams tonight.

Manchester @ Transylvania
Mount St. Joseph @ Defiance
Earlham @ Franklin
Anderson @ Bluffton
Hanover @ RHIT
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 26, 2022, 08:53:29 PM
i have banned myself from future commenting on rose. what s**t show.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 26, 2022, 09:18:55 PM
It's difficult for me to take Massey very seriously when RHIT is ranked 99th - fully 67 spots behind a team (IWU) they beat on their home floor - and they'd beat them again if they played tomorrow. Plus- there are multiple teams with LOSING records ahead of RHIT.

99th is a joke.

Bottom line - RHIT is one of the 30 best teams in Division III basketball, but to prove it they'll need to finally take care of Transy on Feb. 26th. RHIT is not the 99th-best team in America. Anyone who's seen them play from their third game of the year on would agree.
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Hmm, think I may need to ponder on that one for a while.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 26, 2022, 11:00:01 PM
Baldin=class
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 26, 2022, 11:27:37 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 26, 2022, 11:00:01 PM
Baldin=class

Lol, crying in are beer tonight are we. You are probably taking this lose harder than your daughter is. Basketball isn't that serious; it is only a game after all. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 26, 2022, 11:41:10 PM
Why are you commenting on how my daughter is taking it. You have no ideal on how my daughter is taking it.   Leave your personal comments to myslef and not my daughter
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 26, 2022, 11:53:10 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 26, 2022, 11:41:10 PM
Why are you commenting on how my daughter is taking it. You have no ideal on how my daughter is taking it.   Leave your personal comments to myslef and not my daughter

I said nothing negative about your daughter, she is a fine player and probably a wonderful person in every way. Guessing she takes after her mother. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on January 27, 2022, 06:10:10 PM
Quote from: Baldini on January 26, 2022, 09:18:55 PM
It's difficult for me to take Massey very seriously when RHIT is ranked 99th - fully 67 spots behind a team (IWU) they beat on their home floor - and they'd beat them again if they played tomorrow. Plus- there are multiple teams with LOSING records ahead of RHIT.

99th is a joke.

Bottom line - RHIT is one of the 30 best teams in Division III basketball, but to prove it they'll need to finally take care of Transy on Feb. 26th. RHIT is not the 99th-best team in America. Anyone who's seen them play from their third game of the year on would agree.

Hmm, think I may need to ponder on that one for a while.
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It's likely 6th-7th week of the quarter and every one of those kids that played last night looked like they had 5 tests today. What a listless performance. The mid-week games have always given RHIT teams fits. I don't know how the 2017-18 RHIT team ran the table undefeated through the conference slate and HCAC Tournament (still the only team to do so).

The kids looked absolutely SPENT from Saturday - Hanover's coach had his kids ready to play and RHIT never showed up. It would appear something close to 75% of their team must have either had Covid or been quarantined for 10 days in a hotel room? Jester you can chime in if I'm wrong. I don't know, they were horrible last night. That's the worst RHIT women's team performance in at least 6-8 years. I cannot imagine what precipitated a loss that bad.

As for you, Baldini, my statement stands. If Transy is the #3-best team in the country, RHIT is somewhere in the top-15. Had the official under the basket at the end of Saturday's game had a whistle in his mouth, it would have been RHIT shooting 2 FT's to win the game, and Hein would have at least drawn iron. Transy is really good and absolutely a Top-20 team, but they've made their name this season with the voters because they won two NCAA games three years ago, finally managed to sally forth and play a half-way decent team on the road and beat them, beat a John Carroll team that lost (Transy) to the only really good non-OAC school on their schedule AT HOME, and only have one team in their own conference to even remotely challenge them this year.

All I know, Baldini, is that when RHIT had a comparable team to Transy, they actively sought out the very best teams that would play them, Illinois Wesleyan, DePauw, WashU, Hope, Chicago, UT Dallas...hell, in November 2017 RHIT played Hope, Chicago, DePauw, and Illinois Wesleyan back-to back ALL ON THE ROAD. They actively sought membership in the Midwest Classic and have a home/home with Chicago every year (no idea why that game didn't happen this year). Whom exactly has Transylvania ventured to play away from the place they are most comfortable? Whom have they ventured to play at all? Did the Midwest Classic come calling but Transy turned it down because they couldn't host it every year?

Call me when Transy decides to get away from the "Venus Flytrap" scheduling philosophy. When you do, I'd like to know when, before the Tufts game this year, Transy had a quality road win. Not a huge win, just a quality win.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 28, 2022, 04:03:36 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on January 27, 2022, 06:10:10 PM
Quote from: Baldini on January 26, 2022, 09:18:55 PM
It's difficult for me to take Massey very seriously when RHIT is ranked 99th - fully 67 spots behind a team (IWU) they beat on their home floor - and they'd beat them again if they played tomorrow. Plus- there are multiple teams with LOSING records ahead of RHIT.

99th is a joke.

Bottom line - RHIT is one of the 30 best teams in Division III basketball, but to prove it they'll need to finally take care of Transy on Feb. 26th. RHIT is not the 99th-best team in America. Anyone who's seen them play from their third game of the year on would agree.

Hmm, think I may need to ponder on that one for a while.

It's likely 6th-7th week of the quarter and every one of those kids that played last night looked like they had 5 tests today. What a listless performance. The mid-week games have always given RHIT teams fits. I don't know how the 2017-18 RHIT team ran the table undefeated through the conference slate and HCAC Tournament (still the only team to do so).

The kids looked absolutely SPENT from Saturday - Hanover's coach had his kids ready to play and RHIT never showed up. It would appear something close to 75% of their team must have either had Covid or been quarantined for 10 days in a hotel room? Jester you can chime in if I'm wrong. I don't know, they were horrible last night. That's the worst RHIT women's team performance in at least 6-8 years. I cannot imagine what precipitated a loss that bad.

As for you, Baldini, my statement stands. If Transy is the #3-best team in the country, RHIT is somewhere in the top-15. Had the official under the basket at the end of Saturday's game had a whistle in his mouth, it would have been RHIT shooting 2 FT's to win the game, and Hein would have at least drawn iron. Transy is really good and absolutely a Top-20 team, but they've made their name this season with the voters because they won two NCAA games three years ago, finally managed to sally forth and play a half-way decent team on the road and beat them, beat a John Carroll team that lost (Transy) to the only really good non-OAC school on their schedule AT HOME, and only have one team in their own conference to even remotely challenge them this year.

All I know, Baldini, is that when RHIT had a comparable team to Transy, they actively sought out the very best teams that would play them, Illinois Wesleyan, DePauw, WashU, Hope, Chicago, UT Dallas...hell, in November 2017 RHIT played Hope, Chicago, DePauw, and Illinois Wesleyan back-to back ALL ON THE ROAD. They actively sought membership in the Midwest Classic and have a home/home with Chicago every year (no idea why that game didn't happen this year). Whom exactly has Transylvania ventured to play away from the place they are most comfortable? Whom have they ventured to play at all? Did the Midwest Classic come calling but Transy turned it down because they couldn't host it every year?

Call me when Transy decides to get away from the "Venus Flytrap" scheduling philosophy. When you do, I'd like to know when, before the Tufts game this year, Transy had a quality road win. Not a huge win, just a quality win.
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Somewhere you seem to have confused me with a defender of all things Transylvania, but you would be mistaken. Frankly the Transylvania women's program needs no defending, the point of the non-conference portion of the schedule is to best set a team up for conference play and since Transylvania wins the HCAC every year it appears they are doing it the right way. But to attack their scheduling when they played 2 teams that are currently in the top 10 of the D3 Hoops polls is really a reach.

As for your attack on John Carroll, well that was just silly. The OAC is one of the best and deepest conferences in D3 women's basketball this season and they also have non-conference wins against Albion, Carnegie Mellon and Case Western. Maybe you missed those games because your vision was blocked by the green clouds of envy that always seem to be hovering about your zip code.

Lastly, for the next time you have the urge to blame the referees for your teams' failures.

You are not a failure until you start blaming others for your failures. - John Wooden   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2022, 05:25:01 PM
Haven't said much because I didn't have anything to say (which is my usual) but please let's keep it friendly and civil around here. Feels like it's been a bit tense lately from everybody. A little good-natured ribbing is fine, but no one is going after anyone else. I feel like the HCAC is a family of siblings. Sure we want to be the best and have bragging rights over our brothers and sisters but in the end we're all family and supportive of each other. Don't take things too personal and take a deep breath once in a while. Let's have a good final month of the season.

Now to bring a little positivity back... Franklin finally got back in the win column. It only took 6 1/2 weeks and a winless Earlham but it's a start. :) :'(
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2022, 06:17:22 PM
January 12th
Mount St. Joseph @ Transylvania
Hanover 65 @ Franklin 59
Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
Bluffton 62 Earlham 50
Anderson 77 Defiance 67

January 15th
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman
Manchester 47 @ Hanover 72
Earlham @ Mount St. Joseph
Transylvania 68 Anderson 36
Bluffton 69 Franklin 68

January 19th
Transylvania 84 Hanover 60
Defiance 80 Earlham 64
Mount St Joseph 70 Franklin 69
Manchester 44 Bluffton 71
Rose-Hulman @ Anderson

January 22nd
Earlham 62 Manchester 80
Mount St Joseph 42 Anderson 88
Hanover 68 Bluffton 77
Franklin 60 Defiance 65
Transylvania 72 Rose-Hulman 68 OT

January 26th
Manchester 36 Transylvania 64
Mount St. Joseph 59 Defiance 70
Earlham 54 Franklin 72
Anderson 59 Bluffton 83
Hanover 75 Rose-Hulman 63




            12/15  19/22   26    Overall
Baldini    4-2      8-1    4-1    31-11
FCGG      5-1      8-1    4-1    30-12
Jester     5-1      6-3    2-3    28-14
Enginerd            5-4               6-7


Conference standings
Transylvania    7-0  (15-0)
Bluffton        7-3  (12-5)
Defiance        5-4  (10-6)
Rose-Hulman     4-3   (6-6)
Hanover         5-5   (8-7)
Anderson        5-5   (8-9)
Manchester      4-4   (7-8)
Mount St Joseph 3-5   (6-9)
Franklin        3-7   (5-12)
Earlham         0-7   (0-14)



Conference games
January 29th
Defiance @ Hanover 1:00 PM
Manchester @ Franklin 1:00 PM
Anderson @ Earlham 1:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Mount St Joseph 2:00 PM
Bluffton @ Transylvania 2:00 PM

February 2nd
Franklin @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Manchester @ Defiance 7:30 PM
Bluffton @ Mount St Joseph 7:30 PM
Earlham @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Anderson @ Hanover 7:30 PM

February 5th
Manchester @ Mount St Joseph 1:00 PM
Bluffton @ Rose-Hulman 1:00 PM
Earlham @ Hanover 1:00 PM
Transylvania @ Defiance 1:00 PM
Anderson @ Franklin 1:00 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2022, 03:04:43 AM
Defiance @ Hanover 1:00 PM
Manchester @ Franklin 1:00 PM
Anderson @ Earlham 1:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Mount St Joseph 2:00 PM
Bluffton @ Transylvania 2:00 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 29, 2022, 10:51:29 AM
Engine just landed in Cincinnati heading to Mt st joe.  Hopefully girls have shed being lethargic from Covid.   Interesting to see joe without habernathy.  Jansen is their other scorers not sure if Baum of jester will heave her match up. I think Baum will 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 29, 2022, 01:17:55 PM
Only 7 players dressed for saint joe.   Jansen averaging almost 16 a game
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 29, 2022, 03:46:42 PM
Well for another half rose simply had forgotten how to play basketball.  Halftime they remembered.  Great game by Ashley Black with 25 points on 10-16 shooting and Nola Wilson with 14.     The big 3 only scoring 11 points.   Hein a non factor and only played around 16 min.   Baum having to work on. Both ends had 9.  Barlow hurt her knee don't k ow how bad.   She was my daughters roommate last year and is just a terriffic young lady hopefully for the team and especially for her it's not serious. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 31, 2022, 09:38:34 PM
Game moved to tommorrow

Rose over earlham
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 31, 2022, 09:51:04 PM
Feb. 1st
Franklin @ Transylvania
Earlham @ RHIT
Manchester @ Defiance
Bluffton @ Mount St. Joseph

Feb. 2nd
Anderson @ Hanover

Feb. 5th
Earlham @ Hanover
Anderson @ Franklin
Bluffton @ RHIT
Transylvania @ Defiance
Manchester @ Mount St. Joseph
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 01, 2022, 02:31:21 AM
Look at that, I'm picking before the last minute ;D

Franklin @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Manchester @ Defiance 7:30 PM
Bluffton @ Mount St Joseph 7:30 PM
Earlham @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Anderson @ Hanover 7:30 PM
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 01, 2022, 02:54:34 AM
Transy over Franklin
Defiance over Manchester
Bluffton over joe
Hanover over Anderson

Feb 5th
Hanover over earlhM
Franklin o we anderson
Rose over nluffton
Transy over defiance
Joe over Manchester
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 01, 2022, 11:25:26 PM
easy game for rose today. kid started in post for first time in her life for injured barlow, in 18 minutes 10 points and 5 assists.   sat the starters for most of 2nd half,  Very happy to see miller get minutes and use her opportunity.  Had not been playing alot and i had a nice conversation with her at st.joes after not playing  and to talk to her tonight and hear how happy she was  is what its all about.. Anyone can just complain about their situation but what steps will you make to improve your situation. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 05, 2022, 02:51:00 AM
Manchester @ Mount St Joseph
Bluffton @ Rose-Hulman (I do think it will be close)
Earlham @ Hanover
Transylvania @ Defiance
Anderson @ Franklin (I'm hoping they've broken out of the funk they were in)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 05, 2022, 02:54:41 AM
In case anyone missed it http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2022/2/1/mens-basketball-hcac-announces-modified-2022-basketball-championships.aspx (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2022/2/1/mens-basketball-hcac-announces-modified-2022-basketball-championships.aspx)

8 teams will make the tournament and seeding is complicated...
QuoteThe teams will be seeded using a strength of schedule formula for all regular season conference contests that averages a team's winning percentage, their opponents winning percentage and their opponents opponents winning percentage, all factored in at a weight of 1/3.
First round on Feb 20th, semis and finals at highest remaining seed on 25th and 26th.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 05, 2022, 03:59:51 AM
It's a nightmare figuring out exact SoS numbers, but here's my stab at how they stand through mid-week, future games are not included. I calculated them solely based on conference games so no non-conference data involved (that's how I read the news). I calculated OWP by adding all the wins and losses (not counting the direct matchup) for each team's opponents. OOWP I added all the opponents OWP together. I don't know if I did everything exact but it should be a rough estimation at worst. The final column is the final number to determine seeding.
For example, for Rose the OWP is the W-L record for their 9 opponents (Transy, Earlham, MSJ, Hanover twice each and Franklin once) minus the results from the 9 games against Rose. Their OOWP is the combined OWP from those 9 opponents.

Team           W   L   Win %    W    L    OWP     W     L     OOWP    SoS
Transylvania   8   0   1.000   48   30   0.615   384   406   0.486   0.700
Bluffton       8   4   0.667   56   55   0.505   604   564   0.517   0.563
Rose-Hulman    6   3   0.667   35   45   0.438   468   377   0.554   0.553
Hanover        6   6   0.500   65   47   0.580   552   611   0.475   0.518
Defiance       6   4   0.600   40   58   0.408   524   488   0.518   0.509
Anderson       6   6   0.500   50   62   0.446   609   563   0.520   0.489
Manchester     4   5   0.444   37   48   0.435   441   436   0.503   0.461
Franklin       4   7   0.364   50   49   0.505   504   538   0.484   0.451
MSJ            3   7   0.300   55   44   0.556   477   536   0.471   0.442
Earlham        0   9   0.000   41   43   0.488   390   472   0.452   0.314
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 05, 2022, 11:18:42 AM
Looks right Franklin.  For the top 3 it comes down to today's game between bluffton and rose.  The winner pretty much has 2nd wrapped up percentage wise
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 05, 2022, 11:19:21 AM
Engine.   Barlow not starting but may play so good news for rose
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 05, 2022, 02:58:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 05, 2022, 02:51:00 AM
Manchester @ Mount St Joseph
Bluffton @ Rose-Hulman (I do think it will be close)
Earlham @ Hanover
Transylvania @ Defiance
Anderson @ Franklin (I'm hoping they've broken out of the funk they were in)

Nice win for Franklin today Grizz, you may be correct in that they have broken out of the funk. Congratulations.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 05, 2022, 03:18:12 PM
Team is in total disarray don't know what has happened after the Transylvania game but they are not playing as a cohesive squad
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 07, 2022, 03:19:46 PM
Monday 7th
Manchester @ Defiance

Wednesday 9th
Franklin @ Hanover
Earlham @ Bluffton
Defiance @ Anderson
RHIT @ Manchester
Transylvania @ Mount St. Joseph

Saturday 12th
RHIT @ Defiance
Mount St. Joseph @ Earlham
Anderson @ Transylvania
Hanover @ Manchester
Franklin @ Bluffton
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 07, 2022, 03:22:05 PM
To Baldini or any other a holes   I am not smiting you. I have better things to do with my time. My guess baldini is whoever is spiting you is also doing mine. But stop sending me personal messages on what you are going to do. Go to the administrator if you have a damn problem   Trust me i  don't care about your chicken **** issues with someone smiting you just like i dont care who is doing mine.   Bunch of damn sensitive babies on here. only reason i post anymore is to let engine know what i have heard for rose.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 07, 2022, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 05, 2022, 03:59:51 AM
It's a nightmare figuring out exact SoS numbers, but here's my stab at how they stand through mid-week, future games are not included. I calculated them solely based on conference games so no non-conference data involved (that's how I read the news). I calculated OWP by adding all the wins and losses (not counting the direct matchup) for each team's opponents. OOWP I added all the opponents OWP together. I don't know if I did everything exact but it should be a rough estimation at worst. The final column is the final number to determine seeding.
For example, for Rose the OWP is the W-L record for their 9 opponents (Transy, Earlham, MSJ, Hanover twice each and Franklin once) minus the results from the 9 games against Rose. Their OOWP is the combined OWP from those 9 opponents.

Team           W   L   Win %    W    L    OWP     W     L     OOWP    SoS
Transylvania   8   0   1.000   48   30   0.615   384   406   0.486   0.700
Bluffton       8   4   0.667   56   55   0.505   604   564   0.517   0.563
Rose-Hulman    6   3   0.667   35   45   0.438   468   377   0.554   0.553
Hanover        6   6   0.500   65   47   0.580   552   611   0.475   0.518
Defiance       6   4   0.600   40   58   0.408   524   488   0.518   0.509
Anderson       6   6   0.500   50   62   0.446   609   563   0.520   0.489
Manchester     4   5   0.444   37   48   0.435   441   436   0.503   0.461
Franklin       4   7   0.364   50   49   0.505   504   538   0.484   0.451
MSJ            3   7   0.300   55   44   0.556   477   536   0.471   0.442
Earlham        0   9   0.000   41   43   0.488   390   472   0.452   0.314


Looking at the remaining schedules I'm guessing Earlham and Manchester probably will be the teams to miss out on the tournament. Manchester still has a chance but will probably need to upset someone in the last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 09, 2022, 04:12:10 AM
Franklin @ Hanover (but will be tight)
Earlham @ Bluffton
Defiance @ Anderson
RHIT @ Manchester
Transylvania @ Mount St. Joseph
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 09, 2022, 08:06:29 AM
I don't know who won but I would have picked defiance

Agree with all of grizz picks for today
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 11, 2022, 10:17:58 PM
I agree with franklins picks for tommorrow except fi have Franklin over bluffton
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 12, 2022, 07:15:47 AM
RHIT @ Defiance
Mount St. Joseph @ Earlham
Anderson @ Transylvania
Hanover @ Manchester
Franklin @ Bluffton
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 12, 2022, 09:52:20 PM
Good for Earlham, they will not go winless on the season. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 12, 2022, 10:37:15 PM
Congrats Quakers. Took a little extra time but they've gotten rid of that 0 in the win column.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 13, 2022, 11:12:53 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 05, 2022, 03:59:51 AM
It's a nightmare figuring out exact SoS numbers, but here's my stab at how they stand through mid-week, future games are not included. I calculated them solely based on conference games so no non-conference data involved (that's how I read the news). I calculated OWP by adding all the wins and losses (not counting the direct matchup) for each team's opponents. OOWP I added all the opponents OWP together. I don't know if I did everything exact but it should be a rough estimation at worst. The final column is the final number to determine seeding.
For example, for Rose the OWP is the W-L record for their 9 opponents (Transy, Earlham, MSJ, Hanover twice each and Franklin once) minus the results from the 9 games against Rose. Their OOWP is the combined OWP from those 9 opponents.

Team           W   L   Win %    W    L    OWP     W     L     OOWP    SoS
Transylvania   8   0   1.000   48   30   0.615   384   406   0.486   0.700
Bluffton       8   4   0.667   56   55   0.505   604   564   0.517   0.563
Rose-Hulman    6   3   0.667   35   45   0.438   468   377   0.554   0.553
Hanover        6   6   0.500   65   47   0.580   552   611   0.475   0.518
Defiance       6   4   0.600   40   58   0.408   524   488   0.518   0.509
Anderson       6   6   0.500   50   62   0.446   609   563   0.520   0.489
Manchester     4   5   0.444   37   48   0.435   441   436   0.503   0.461
Franklin       4   7   0.364   50   49   0.505   504   538   0.484   0.451
MSJ            3   7   0.300   55   44   0.556   477   536   0.471   0.442
Earlham        0   9   0.000   41   43   0.488   390   472   0.452   0.314


Do you have an update on what this looks like Grizz?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2022, 05:24:31 AM
Team           W   L   Win %    W    L    OWP      W      L     OOWP    SoS
Transylvania  11   0   1.000   80   62   0.563    681    693   0.496   0.686
Bluffton      11   4   0.733   89   95   0.484   1034    995   0.510   0.576
Hanover        9   6   0.600   94   93   0.503   1012   1019   0.498   0.534
Rose-Hulman    7   5   0.583   73   73   0.500    760    712   0.516   0.533
Defiance       8   6   0.571   82   94   0.466    879    866   0.504   0.514
Anderson       7   8   0.467   94   92   0.505   1017   1020   0.499   0.490
Franklin       5   9   0.357   92   86   0.517    908    933   0.493   0.456
MSJ            4   9   0.308   87   77   0.530    862    887   0.493   0.444
Manchester     4   9   0.308   77   86   0.472    769    770   0.500   0.427
Earlham        1  11   0.083   73   81   0.474    751    777   0.491   0.350


Remaining games
Earlham @ Defiance
Bluffton @ Manchester
Anderson @ Rose-Hulman
Franklin @ MSJ
Hanover @ Transylvania

Defiance @ Bluffton
Transylvania @ Earlham
MSJ @ Hanover
Manchester @ Anderson
Rose-Hulman @ Franklin

Transy is the 1 seed. Bluffton should be #2. Rose has 2 winnable games while Hanover likely goes 1-1. At the bottom, Franklin-MSJ winner is in, loser is hoping Manchester continues their losing streak.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 14, 2022, 11:32:17 AM
Thanks, Grizz. +1
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 15, 2022, 02:12:55 PM
Rose
Defiance
Bluffton
Franklin
Transy


Rose
Transy
Blufffton
Hanover
Anderson
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 15, 2022, 02:34:34 PM
Earlham @ Defiance
Bluffton @ Manchester
Anderson @ Rose-Hulman
Franklin @ MSJ
Hanover @ Transylvania

Defiance @ Bluffton
Transylvania @ Earlham
MSJ @ Hanover
Manchester @ Anderson
Rose-Hulman @ Franklin
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 15, 2022, 02:42:23 PM
I will be surprised if Payton Moore is playing this week, she went down with what looked like a high ankle sprain on Saturday and was in a walking boot after the game. That is a big loss for Anderson and a real shame if that is the last game a wonderful Sr. player will play.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2022, 05:32:21 PM
Earlham @ Defiance
Bluffton @ Manchester
Anderson @ Rose-Hulman
Franklin @ MSJ
Hanover @ Transylvania
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2022, 10:33:55 PM
I forgot to update the OOWP last time. Should be good now.

Team            W    L   Win %    W     L     OWP      W      L     OOWP    SoS
Transylvania   12    0   1.000    95    73   0.565   1199   1212   0.497   0.688
Bluffton       12    4   0.750    99   113   0.467   1577   1520   0.509   0.575
Rose-Hulman     8    5   0.615    85    88   0.491   1285   1242   0.509   0.538
Hanover         9    7   0.563   114    99   0.535   1533   1566   0.495   0.531
Defiance        9    6   0.600    88   114   0.436   1493   1446   0.508   0.515
Anderson        7    9   0.438   109   104   0.512   1550   1556   0.499   0.483
Franklin        6    9   0.400   102   103   0.498   1477   1488   0.498   0.465
Mount St Joseph 4   10   0.286   100    91   0.524   1357   1405   0.491   0.434
Manchester      4   10   0.286    95    96   0.497   1369   1400   0.494   0.426
Earlham         1   12   0.077    87    93   0.483   1268   1323   0.489   0.350


OOWP is pretty much a non-factor at this point. Just .02 between the highest and lowest.
A Manchester win and MSJ loss would get the Spartans into 8th. The difference between a win and loss at this point is around .02 in final SoS.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 18, 2022, 10:24:06 AM
Franklin  heading out to fly to franklin for tonight's game.  Is the big  still out.    You might see a very motivated rose team tonight. They have finals Monday and they want their playoff game Sunday to be at home so they can all start studying right away and not trying to study on a bus.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 18, 2022, 12:29:03 PM
I think everybody is healthy. Both Cross and Bailey who missed the first meeting should be playing. Enjoy your visit to Spurlock (although not too much, hopefully the Grizzlies win ;))
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 19, 2022, 07:16:06 AM
Here's the numbers I have which seems to differ from the standings the HCAC has including who got in as the 8 seed.

Team            W    L   Win %    W     L     OWP      W      L     OOWP    SoS
Transylvania   13    0   1.000   103    90   0.534   1473   1500   0.495   0.676
Bluffton       13    4   0.765   115   128   0.473   1907   1878   0.504   0.581
Rose-Hulman     9    5   0.643    97   104   0.483   1589   1541   0.508   0.544
Hanover        10    7   0.588   126   117   0.519   1876   1905   0.496   0.534
Defiance        9    7   0.563   107   126   0.459   1820   1792   0.504   0.509
Anderson        7   10   0.412   121   122   0.498   1895   1890   0.501   0.470
Franklin        6   10   0.375   118   115   0.506   1789   1819   0.496   0.459
Manchester      5   10   0.333   108   113   0.489   1702   1713   0.498   0.440
MSJ             4   11   0.267   116   105   0.525   1685   1726   0.494   0.429
Earlham         1   13   0.071   106    99   0.517   1559   1613   0.491   0.360


I differ on 3/4 and 8/9. Win percentage is what it is so it's not there, OOWP are nearly identical for everyone so that's not it either. I've updated OWP because I think I wasn't removing all the head to head games (when teams played twice I was just removing the result from each game rather than both results from both matchups) so I fixed that and it made very little difference, certainly not enough to change the standings.

Team            W    L   Win %    W     L     OWP      W      L     OOWP    SoS
Transylvania   13    0   1.000   103    82   0.557   1386   1409   0.496   0.684
Bluffton       13    4   0.765   111   116   0.489   1790   1781   0.501   0.585
Rose-Hulman     9    5   0.643    94    97   0.492   1493   1459   0.506   0.547
Hanover        10    7   0.588   119   108   0.524   1772   1795   0.497   0.536
Defiance        9    7   0.563   101   118   0.461   1707   1695   0.502   0.508
Anderson        7   10   0.412   112   115   0.493   1788   1783   0.501   0.469
Franklin        6   10   0.375   109   110   0.498   1689   1709   0.497   0.457
Manchester      5   10   0.333   101   108   0.483   1600   1613   0.498   0.438
MSJ             4   11   0.267   107   102   0.512   1592   1617   0.496   0.425
Earlham         1   13   0.071    96    99   0.492   1476   1510   0.494   0.353


Maybe it's better that MSJ is somehow ahead of Manchester for the 8 seed. Manchester gets to end their season with a win rather than getting destroyed by Transylvania.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 19, 2022, 07:37:02 AM
Equally surprised this morning Grizz. Though RHIT was sure to be the 3 seed and certainly thought Manchester got past MSJ for the 8 seed. After Manchester's gutsy win last night, it is a little disappointing they didn't get that last spot.

Same on the men's side, Transylvania and Anderson end up 4/5 and I thought they would be 2/3.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 19, 2022, 07:39:32 AM
Sunday's schedule.

Defiance @ RHIT
Manchester @ Transylvania
Franklin @ Bluffton
Anderson @Hanover
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 19, 2022, 11:51:22 AM
I agree I thought both as well.  There has to be mass confusion. The Manchester schedule page has them playing Transylvania
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 19, 2022, 11:54:34 AM
Wow what a terrible lesson to teach your players just
Not about sports but about life.   Saint joe dropped out of the tournament.  Manchester replaces them this from their webpage

record of 8-14, 5-10 HCAC. With Mt. St. Joseph dropping out of the Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference Tournament, the Spartans will replace the Lions as the no. 8 seed and will travel to top-seeded Transylvania on Sunday February 20 for a 3 p.m. matchup with the Pioneers.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 19, 2022, 12:52:12 PM
It is an interesting set of events. Both the HCAC site and the MSJ site still have MSJ playing, yet the Manchester and Transylvania sites list Manchester as playing. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 20, 2022, 11:16:12 AM
Massey predictions for today playoff games

Transy 76.   Manchester 45.  I agree

Bluffton 67.  Anderson 61.   I agree

Hanover 70 Franklin 64. I disagree

Rose 67 defiance 57.  I agree
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2022, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on February 20, 2022, 11:16:12 AM
Massey predictions for today playoff games

Transy 76.   Manchester 45.  I agree

Bluffton 67.  Anderson 61.   I agree

Hanover 70 Franklin 64. I disagree

Rose 67 defiance 57.  I agree
The problem with that is that 2 of those aren't the correct games. Pioneers-Spartans and Engineers-Yellow Jackets yes, but it's Franklin @ Bluffton and Anderson @ Hanover. Here's the scores Massey has now... and had to manually do the TU-MU game because it's still listed as MSJ.

Transylvania 81
MSJ 49

Transylvania 78
Manchester 45

Rose-Hulman 68
Defiance 56

Hanover 72
Anderson 67

Bluffton 67
Franklin 56
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 20, 2022, 01:09:48 PM
Manchester replace st how they dropped out that was the word yesterday
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 20, 2022, 01:11:10 PM
I mixed up was going off of memory   Anderson ein Hanover win
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2022, 05:17:12 PM
Transylvania led 53-13 at halftime and cruised to a 90-44 win.
Franklin had a 6 point halftime lead, was tied with Bluffton midway through the 4th, had it within 2 in the final minute but the Beavers survive for a 55-48 win
Anderson outscores Hanover 28-13 in the 4th quarter to take down the 3 seed 88-80.
Rose-Hulman outscored Defiance 17-2 in the second quarter and held on for a 51-42 victory.

Friday we'll have #4 RHIT-#1 Transylvania and #6 Anderson-#2 Bluffton down in Lexington
Interestingly the same seeds won on the mens side as well with #1 Hanover, #2 Rose, #4 Transylvania, and #6 Franklin winning
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 20, 2022, 07:49:01 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2022, 05:17:12 PM
Transylvania led 53-13 at halftime and cruised to a 90-44 win.
Franklin had a 6 point halftime lead, was tied with Bluffton midway through the 4th, had it within 2 in the final minute but the Beavers survive for a 55-48 win
Anderson outscores Hanover 28-13 in the 4th quarter to take down the 3 seed 88-80.
Rose-Hulman outscored Defiance 17-2 in the second quarter and held on for a 51-42 victory.

Friday we'll have #4 RHIT-#1 Transylvania and #6 Anderson-#2 Bluffton down in Lexington
Interestingly the same seeds won on the mens side as well with #1 Hanover, #2 Rose, #4 Transylvania, and #6 Franklin winning

The Anderson @ Transylvania men's game was on epic game to see in person today, why we love the great game of basketball.

Looking forward to next weekend in Lexington. I'm expecting RHIT to give Transylvania a real test and Anderson just keeps getting big efforts from different players. Jade Shipley had 36 for Anderson today and Lexi Dellinger has been huge for them as well, if they get Payton Moore back for the next game, they will be dangerous against anyone.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 23, 2022, 04:24:47 PM
All-conference awards have been announced (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2022/2/22/hcac-honors-2021-womens-basketball-all-conference-and-awards.aspx)

Player of the Year – Lexi Dellinger, Anderson University
Defensive Player of the Year – Payton Moore, Anderson University
Newcomer of the Year – Grace Bezold, Hanover College
Coach of the Year – Juli Fulks, Transylvania University

1st Team: Anderson (2), Bluffton (2). and Transylvania (2)
2nd Team: Rose-Hulman (2). Franklin (1), Hanover (1), Mount St Joseph (1), Transylvania (1)
Honorable Mentions: Defiance (2), Hanover (2), Franklin (1), Manchester (1), Rose-Hulman (1), Transylvania (1)
Newcomers: Hanover (3), Bluffton (1), Manchester (1), Rose-Hulman (1)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2022, 09:13:05 PM
Jester, what's happened with Kahlan? Just 3 minutes tonight? I'm sure that's a disappointing ending to the season for Rose considering how they had played the Pioneers the first two meetings. But they've come a long way from a couple years ago and showed they've got the ability to contend next year,

#6 Anderson will take on #1 Transylvania in the women's final at 6pm.
Over on the men's side it's the same seeds. #6 Franklin will take on #1 Hanover also at 6pm
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 26, 2022, 09:33:41 AM
I meant to get to the games yesterday, but a sick horse kept me from going and it looks like I missed a really good one with Anderson beating Bluffton. I see from the box score that Payton Moore was back for Anderson, glad to see the ankle injury didn't end her season. Hopefully I can make this evening's game. Best of luck to the Franklin men Grizz.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2022, 06:45:07 PM
Heard an update of the women's game... 50-17 Transylvania leads at halftime. Looks like they're headed to the big dance with a 0 in the loss column and a chance to host the next two weekends.
In the mens game, it's raining 3s. The teams are a combined 15 of 24 from deep. Hanover leads 45-40 at halftime but it's been back and forth the whole way.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2022, 07:28:02 PM
Transylvania wraps up the HCAC title with an 81-51 win over Anderson. Now we wait to see who will head to Lexington next weekend.

Mens game has been fantastic. Both Franklin and Hanover have loud and rowdy crowds. Franklin has stayed close all 2nd half and finally took the lead with about 6 minutes left. Grizzlies lead 75-72 with 4 minutes left.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2022, 07:52:03 PM
The only game where the same seed didn't win between the men and women. 6th seed Franklin wins the mens tournament 91-84. ;D It was a heck of a game. Now I have something extra to look forward to next weekend. Go Grizzlies and good luck Lady Pioneers.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2022, 04:42:31 PM
As expected, Transylvania will host this weekend. They'll play Washington & Jefferson who won the PAC as the top seed.
The other game features Shenandoah who won the ODAC from the 4 seed and Southern Virginia who won the USAC as the top seed in their division.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on February 28, 2022, 08:44:58 PM
big shout out to Gustavus and Coach Kelly and Coach Wolf for making another tournament. No one was classier then these guys recruiting my daughter.   Coach Wolf drove over a hour away to give his condolences and a card from the team when Kahlan lost her grandmother.  They  remained classy even after they found out Kahlan had decided to be an engineer and they didnt offer it.  One has to pick a road and you live with that road but it doesn't stop one thinking what if i chose the other road.

Grizz you have asked me what happened.  All I will say is I am a long time coach and was taught to lead and be led in the military.  Things have come to my attention the past 3 weeks that no one would want their daughters or their friends to experience.  I am not sure what the future will bring for her and  other players at Rose and I can only speak for her but my daughter has finished her time as a basketball player at Rose and  if what I heard is correct wont be the only one.

if this is the end. this wont matter to any of you as you dont know her but this is my daughter and who she is and i couldnt be prouder of the person she is. 

In 8th grad she was playing on the high school team. And a much larger 11th grade player took her pony tail and yanked on it viciously.  Now Kahlan has been raised not to show your emotions on the court or field and to be tough. If that kid cries you know she's hurt.  You see her put her hands to her face she keeps playing she's trying not to cry and she gets through it.  About 10 minutes later same girl falls hard and is at Kahlans feet.  She reaches her hand out to the player to help her up and the girl slaps it away

After the game I asked her why would you help her up after what she did.   She said  "Dad why would I let her actions change who I am".   Never been prouder as a dad and also a failure as a dad because I'm pretty sure I would have stepped on her

So now it comes full circle to Transy game and now appears to be my daughters last game. She is mad not only at not playing but knowing she can help the team achieve its goals.  She is embarrassed she knows family has come to the game and many more watching and that this is it.

But even with that she sees Nosa in emotional pain crying on the bench from being destroyed verbally during the game. She goes over putting aside her own feelings and consoles her teammate hugs her and supports her. 

So my daughter career ends on a night i cant even fathom but i took time to calm and realize one game doesn't define the road she took and all the great memories she provided. 

I wondered how I would feel when the ride was over and even though Im mad at memories taken then  I realized it was never about the ride it was all about the passenger.

Enjoy the tournament will be rooting for Gustavus and maybe Hope to bad I didn't know they offered engineering










Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2022, 10:42:39 PM
Sorry to hear. Hopefully whatever happened will be dealt with.
As the line goes, almost all student-athletes will "go pro in something other than sports". Good luck to Kahlan on her future endeavors as she finishes school and beyond.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2022, 07:38:55 PM
The tournament is underway. Transylvania leads Wash & Jeff 42-27 at halftime.
The winner will face Southern Virginia who won the opener in Lexington 67-48.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2022, 08:42:46 PM
Pioneers win 69-52. They'll play the Knights of Southern Virginia at 6pm tomorrow.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 05, 2022, 07:18:30 PM
The most dominant performances this weekend might be Transylvania they are destroying everyone.    If they get home games again next week. Watch out
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 05, 2022, 07:34:45 PM
Either Transy or Trine will host next weekend. The other two will have to fly for sure.
Springfield vs Trine in once matchup, Transylvania vs ETBU/UMHB in the other. East Texas Baptist leads early 4th quarter by 10
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 05, 2022, 07:56:12 PM
Transylvania wins 77-55. On to the 2nd weekend.
D3 scoreboard has the scores reversed. UMHB is about a minute from beating ETBU rather than the other way around.

Pioneers will face the Crusaders on Friday.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on March 05, 2022, 10:17:41 PM
I believe Transylvania may host again next weekend with Springfield knocking off Ithaca. Ithaca is 514 miles to Trine, but 657 miles to Transylvania. Springfield and MHB are both a flight to either and since Transylvania is the higher seed I'm guessing they will be hosting. If Ithaca had won I believe everyone would be heading to Angola, but with the lose they all should be headed to Lexington instead.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 06, 2022, 12:24:44 PM
dont know much about the other 3 teams going to Lexington but i think its pretty good odds Transylvania will be in final 4
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2022, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on March 06, 2022, 12:24:44 PM
dont know much about the other 3 teams going to Lexington but i think its pretty good odds Transylvania will be in final 4

UMHB is pretty good, but Trine is really good. That should be a real battle Saturday.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 06, 2022, 09:48:15 PM
Transylvania is officially hosting this weekend.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2022, 06:35:50 PM
First game is complete with Trine beating Springfield 58-49. UMHB and Transylvania will play shortly.
Elsewhere, Christopher Newport is in danger of picking up their first loss of the season which would leave the Pioneers as the last unbeaten.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2022, 06:49:53 PM
CNU falls from the unbeatens. It's up to Transylvania to finish with a 0 in their record.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2022, 07:30:59 PM
It's 35-21 at halftime. Pioneers have dominated on the boards outrebounding the Crusaders 35-20 including 15 offensive rebounds.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2022, 08:04:43 PM
10 minutes to go and the Pioneers have matched their largest lead at 50-33. Looking like we'll have a Top 5 matchup in the Elite 8.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2022, 08:31:51 PM
UMHB with a 25-10 run in the 4th to get within 3 points in the final minute. The large rebounding margin at halftime has evaporated and now UMHB has the advantage on the boards.
Pioneers hold on to win 63-58 and head to their first Elite 8.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on March 11, 2022, 10:06:40 PM
Transylvania was up 18 with 8:30 to play and decided to spread the floor and run the clock but lost all their flow and had to hang on in the final minute to get the win. Playing not to lose is a dangerous game. For Transylvania's sake I hope that doesn't shake their confidence with the short turn around tomorrow.     
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 12, 2022, 06:19:35 PM
Packed house in Lexington with a trip to Pittsburgh on the line. Pioneers lead the Thunder after the 1st quarter 19-8 :)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 12, 2022, 06:41:59 PM
Trines defense is way better then Transy.  Losing ball hurt them I don't understand coaches yes you protected her but you had a 20 pt swing put her on the worst offensive player and protect her but have her for rebounding and offense.    The defense was terrible last 5 min.    Trine does a really good job of no space and there not switching a lot.   What do 3 point shooters hate a hand in their face and so far trine is doing that
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 12, 2022, 06:43:26 PM
A tale of 2 quarters. Trine outscores Transy 21-4 in the 2nd and it's 29-23 Thunder at halftime. Pioneers getting the boards but not shooting well, 9 of 26 from the field, 2 of 11 from deep. Trine shooting over 50% from the field.
Plenty of time left, let's go Transylvania.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 12, 2022, 07:10:35 PM
This game is over announcer allready making excuses about team being tired from playing yesterday

Funny there were not tired In first quarter. Take away the perimeter and what does Transy have.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 12, 2022, 07:11:51 PM
There is a lid on the basket for the Pioneers. And they're not getting the rebounds like they were early. Fatigue (and fouls) starting to take its toll. Trine up 37-26 with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. Just need to hit a couple shots to get things going again.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 12, 2022, 07:23:39 PM
10 of 41 from the field, 5 of 12 from the free throw line. There's just nothing falling. Only scored 4 points in each of the middle 2 quarters. Not over yet but it's going to take a heck of a comeback.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 12, 2022, 07:26:55 PM
Momentum change maybe Thornton makes that layup I might be saying spoke 2 soon
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 12, 2022, 07:35:02 PM
Spoke to soon. I have not seen a game where both teams just don't score for 5 min stretches more understandable on Transy they live and die by the 3 and trine was doing a good job closing. But offensively they are not nothing special how on the heck did they out  score hope.  If Transy made free throws they would be ahead now 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 12, 2022, 07:35:49 PM
Yeah, it's nice to hear the crowd get back in it. Refs haven't been the greatest tonight. Past couple minutes I've seen a missed travel on Trine, and a two-hand shove in the back not called. Lead is down to 6 with 4:22 left.
Trine isn't doing much better offensively, their low for the season is 50 against Hope. Transy hasn't been held under 60 this year.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 12, 2022, 07:37:04 PM
Trine just ended 7 min not scoring
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 12, 2022, 07:44:55 PM
It's over now. And like at any level.  Man free throws are just so important and they just were not good there.  A great season though by Transy. Only lose 2 players but teams should learn from trine. Don't give up the perimeter at all make them beat you inside   I have never seen trine play so maybe just a bad game for them offensively but I just don't see how they advance unless they can ride that defense all the way.  I love defense and they are the best defensive team I seen this year
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 12, 2022, 07:49:10 PM
Yeah, 8 of 16 from the FT line and down 6 points with half a minute left. Just shoot 75% and it's a one possession game. It's been a great season, last team in all of D3 (men or women) undefeated. Defense was still great tonight, it was just an abysmal offensive display after the 1st quarter.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on March 12, 2022, 07:52:30 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on March 12, 2022, 07:44:55 PM
It's over now. And like at any level.  Man free throws are just so important and they just were not good there.  A great season though by Transy. Only lose 2 players but teams should learn from trine. Don't give up the perimeter at all make them beat you inside   I have never seen trine play so maybe just a bad game for them offensively but I just don't see how they advance unless they can ride that defense all the way.  I love defense and they are the best defensive team I seen this year

I've seen a lot of Trine and trust me, that was a typical Trine game.  They didn't shoot quite as well as usual, but it's their defense that wins games for them.  At tournament time, that is key because you can always play hard nosed defense even when he shots aren't falling on a particular night
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 12, 2022, 08:02:17 PM
Considering how bad it felt like Transy was doing at points, the stats are pretty close between the teams.

Trine 19 of 49 shooting, Transy 17 of 58. 3s were similar, Trine 5 of 19, Pioneers 5 of 24.
Transylvania won on the boards 44-31 with 17 offensive boards.
Trine won the turnover battle 17-12 but Transy had more points off turnovers 17-13.
Points in the paint pretty even, Transy with the edge 24-22.

Bench points... Trine 27-3. There's the big one, Pioneers had nothing outside the starting 5 while half of Trines points were from the bench.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on March 13, 2022, 04:02:50 PM
The only three teams that really gave Transy trouble this year were old-school teams committed to defending - really committed to defending. Trine was the one team in the NCAA Tournament that Transy could possibly have run into - that was similar to RHIT in their commitment to defending - except Trine is obviously more talented and deeper than RHIT - and I suspected that Trine was the one team in their region that they didn't want to have to play. Ironically I think Hope would have been a better match-up for Transy than Trine.

Transy is really good but their few flaws showed up big-time last night. They are way too dependent on Stacy and Kellione for too high of a percentage of their points. I figure Transy needs a minimum of 35 points per outing from those two to be assured that they'll defeat good, talented, deep teams. A quick look at their few close games this year bears that out. Kellione and Stacy scored around 35 points in their games that were close this year:
- 34 points in a 1-point win vs. Tufts
- 33 points in a 10-point win at Franklin - always a tough place to play for anyone
- 36 and 40 points, respectively, in their two games vs. RHIT - a 7 point win in Lexington and a 4-point win in overtime in Terre Haute.
- 50 vs. John Carroll
- 36 vs. UMHB
- Finally, and the best evidence for my assertion, only 24 points vs. Trine.

When playing HCAC teams in general or non-conference teams not committed to defending, Transy just did whatever they wanted to their opponents this year and controlled the tempo with their press and their offensive rebounding - getting 40-70% of their points from two players - but to truly take that next step they need a genuine inside threat and one more kid that can score at the same level as Stacy and Kellione.

When you rely on making 3's and getting offensive rebounds, you'll run into issues with teams that won't let you easily shoot from distance and are committed to blocking out. That's why playing at home is so important to Transy - they need to make a ton of 3's and need to play as many games as possible, especially the ones against good teams, in the place they are most comfortable. Having said that, I'm not suggesting that's why they advanced to the Elite 8 - they would have advanced that far with the draw they received regardless where the games were played.

Nevertheless a wonderful season for Transy - they proved that they are a legit Top-10 team in the final polls and should be ranked pretty high to start the season next year. they don't lose anything they cannot replace easily and if they pick up some length and another dynamic scorer or two in the 2022 recruiting class that are capable of stepping in and helping right away - they might be able to take it a game or two further next year.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on March 13, 2022, 05:30:39 PM
Agree with most all of that Enginerd. Trine was one of the few teams I was hoping they could avoid on their attempt to get to the final four.

Massey was pretty much right on with their numbers for the game, they had Trine winning by 7 with a most likely score of 62-55 and Trine won by 7. In simulating a 7-game series yesterday Massey had Trine winning 5 of the 7 and was kind of how I looked at it also. Transylvania had a punchers chance but would have less room for error than Trine and would need some players to have a better than usual effort to pull it off. Trine was the better team and is a very worthy final four rep. If the bracket had been laid out a little different, I believe Transylvania may have made the next step to get to Pittsburgh, but a very young team will need to wait another year to get their final four chance.     

Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 15, 2022, 01:40:24 PM
lol i give an opinion that a young lady isnt getting the attention she deserves in my opinion  and i get smites what the **** is wrong with you people.  pretty soon there will be 7 of you commenting only and  you can have a big circle  and just nod along in agreement on your opinion
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2022, 02:35:46 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on March 15, 2022, 01:40:24 PM
lol i give an opinion that a young lady isnt getting the attention she deserves in my opinion  and i get smites what the **** is wrong with you people.  pretty soon there will be 7 of you commenting only and  you can have a big circle  and just nod along in agreement on your opinion

Could be when you tried to put words in my mouth but what do I know? Also, not a fan of having to come over here as well to answer your comments about a post you made on the CCIW board.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 15, 2022, 06:38:58 PM
oh my god you must be exhausted on clicking a button how do you keep everything straight in your mind. 2 boards you must be terrible at bingo
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2022, 06:39:36 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on March 15, 2022, 06:38:58 PM
oh my god you must be exhausted on clicking a button how do you keep everything straight in your mind. 2 boards you must be terrible at bingo

Is this a road you really want to continue down?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2022, 07:03:14 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on March 15, 2022, 06:43:56 PM
Your right Jamie Baum is a terrible player after all she didnt make all conference first team.

I don't know if this tactic works for you elsewhere, but no, I didn't say anything of the sort. I only pointed out that not making first-team All-HCAC makes it difficult for voters to put her on the All-Region team.

I never said she was terrible and you can, once again, stop putting words in my mouth.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 15, 2022, 11:26:34 PM
Jester, please calm down. Especially here on the HCAC board. There's just the four of us (you, me, baldini, and Engine) and it's been a lot more lively around here since you joined. :) None of us locals are against you. I'd hate to see an admin have to step in and do something. Ultimately the karma means nothing.

Most of the time you're fine, but you have moments like this where you're really abrasive and hard to support. If Pat is jumping in here saying something about it, you need to take a breath. I've seen a few people on these boards who have gone too far for too long and been banned and moments like this feel like they start heading in that direction. Discussions are great, but you can come off as more of an aggressive argument type of tone which isn't so good.

Just ignore the CCIW folks who are getting you riled up and you'll be happier. It's not worth it.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on March 15, 2022, 11:44:27 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on March 15, 2022, 06:43:56 PM
what cancel me for just replying back to you for giving a little sarcasm back are you that thin skinned.  Your right Jamie Baum is a terrible player after all she didnt make all conference first team.  Transylvania wasn't really good either I mean look at their conference they are in. Everyone knows that only wise  basketball minds and opinions that matter are in Michigan and Illinois .

Jester you should get online in the MORNINGS...not after you've had a couple sips after dinner!
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2022, 09:26:00 AM
And to be clear, FCGrizzliesGrad has been on these boards for 14 years -- we don't ban too many people. As long as people aren't personally attacking each other, we are pretty cool even with people being extreme homers and not understanding how the All-Region process works.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 16, 2022, 10:49:18 AM
Grizz

its all good  its just too easy on here,  I don't care about smites lol every time I say im mad  about it. I like to see how many more it generates, Like Clockwork the lemmings hit the button.

Do you know when the all academic team is announced
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 16, 2022, 01:50:31 PM
No sooner then i asked it just posted on website.  Congrats to all the  HCAC athletes making the all conference winter academic team. Rose had 35 athletes leading the way and I am extremely proud  that Kahlan was the player to represent the woman's basketball team for the 2nd year in a row.   Knowing the internal strife she had to endure this year and still be able to focus on getting it done in the classroom at such a demanding school in academics is a great achievement.  Congrats to all athlete's who find a away to manage their time to excel in the class room and play sports or other activities
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on March 22, 2022, 11:43:40 PM
Transylvania ended up 5th in the final top 25 poll, very cool for them and for the HCAC. Congratulations!
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 29, 2022, 12:35:16 AM
I first saw Paige Bueckers as a 5th grader out of st.louis park she played up a year with my daughter on a tournament team. There were 2 players her and Mckenna Hofschild that anyone with any basketball IQ was like wow these 2 are special at such a young age.  I was with 2 other people who know basketball and they we both raving about Mckenna and rightfully so she was small but could shoot from anywhere and was the best ballhandler at her age in 6th grade. She would go on to set the Minnesota high school scoring record for a single game.   The difference between her and Paige though and I pat myself on my back for saying it at the time.  Paige makes everyone better shes not concerned with scoring she gets other involved and even as a 5th grader she did that and knew even then when to take over. 

That would be my daughters only time playing on a team with Paige as her talents rocketed her up to North Tartan and then Nike and then Team America and it was great watching her put on a show tonight and showing how great she is. No one I would say even in mens has the midrange jumper that she has.   She gets to come home and fight for a title and Ill be there thinking about that skinny little 5th grader.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 29, 2022, 12:47:52 AM
 Great memories for you; sometimes one can tell when you're seeing future greatness.
Paige was "money" tonight, for sure.
Can't believe Geno didn't foul the dribbler before she passed for the tying 3-pter to send it into OT.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2022, 11:59:39 PM
Moved those posts about RHIT men's basketball into the appropriate board.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on May 01, 2022, 07:13:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2022, 11:59:39 PM
Moved those posts about RHIT men's basketball into the appropriate board.

Sorry, Pat - I didn't even realize which board this was on!
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on May 03, 2022, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 01, 2022, 05:02:27 PM
my comment was about one coach down and one to go so it did pertain to womans basketball.  I simply responded to another persons post after that

Jester - are changes afoot for the women's program as well?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on May 16, 2022, 12:40:35 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 04, 2022, 11:23:48 AM
engine  I just know at least 4 players are not coming back next year and 3 were starters and one who got a lot of minutes.  There might be more then that including more starters. They also dont have any incoming freshman this year at least as of a month ago

Who isn't playing next year?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on July 26, 2022, 05:52:25 PM
Congratulations to Jamie Baum for making team USA for womans baseball

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2022/7/26/jamie-baum-chosen-for-usa-baseball-womens-national-team.aspx


Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 27, 2022, 05:31:54 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on July 26, 2022, 05:52:25 PM
Congratulations to Jamie Baum for making team USA for womans baseball

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2022/7/26/jamie-baum-chosen-for-usa-baseball-womens-national-team.aspx
Congrats to her :)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 21, 2022, 06:33:38 PM
https://franklingrizzlies.com/sports/wbkb/2022-23/releases/20220819juywuc

Franklin alum ('14) Jessica Johnson will be the new HC of the Grizzlies. She was the lead assistant at Marian (IN) where they went 30-5 and a quarterfinal appearance in the NAIA last year.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2022, 07:22:03 PM
https://heartlandconf.org/news/2022/10/24/2022-23-womens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx

2022-23 Preseason Coaches Poll

1.   Transylvania (9)    81
2.   Hanover (1)           69
3.   Bluffton                 61
4.   Rose-Hulman        56
5.   Anderson               51
6.   Franklin                 43
7.   Defiance                 27
8.   Manchester            24
9.   Mount St. Joseph   23
10.   Earlham               15
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on October 28, 2022, 11:07:29 AM
Well i dont think Rose will be finishing 4th.  5 seniors 3 of them starters  and  2 juniors have stopped playing basketball.  I believe they have currently 7 players as another senior is out for the year with an injury.

I believe this will be the lineup   Pg Baum Terrific player but on an island now.    SG  Rudolph    Forward Wilson coming back for 5th year terrific person and family and will provide scoring.  Miller at other forward who will move into a starting roll another terrific young lady  and then the center the toughest player in the league in my opinion Burnham.  I think there are 2 freshman but not sure on their ability or positions there is no mention of them or signing on the website like they usually do each year.



Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 02, 2022, 01:54:17 AM
Transylvania starting the season off ranked #2 and receiving three 1st place votes.  :)
One of their toughest games will be right at the start playing at UT-Dallas in the second of back to back games.

Hopefully they fare better than the Hanover men did a few years ago. In 2017 they went 26-4 and made the Elite 8. The next year they started the season ranked 4th but were out of the top 25 by week 5. They ultimately managed to win the conference but finished 22-7 and lost in the first round.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 11, 2022, 10:20:39 AM
Well official  Rose hulman roster has been devastated.  3 starters including D1 point guard Hein not returning along with 2 other seniors and 2 juniors including the first player off the bench. They go from a team averaging 6'0 across the board  to only having  one 6 footer.  They have 7 players which includes 3 freshman and the school didnt post their history so im not sure their experience level.

They are playing it seems 2 teams not that strong from early results in a Pennsylvania tournament if they struggle there its going to be a long season.  Im caught i want to root for the girls who are great people but i also dont want  a program to be rewarded where 7 players who are juniors or seniors decided the program was too toxic for them.  These players didnt leave for another school or have academic issues.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on November 12, 2022, 12:08:41 PM
I suspect RHIT will win somewhere in the neighborhood of 7-10 games. Say what you will about how he runs his program, but the guy can coach. You could give him 10 amputees and he'd find a way to win 3-4 games - because I actually saw it happen with my own eyes in the 2007-2010 era before he hired the one guy who massively improved their recruiting. Any idea why he left, Jester? No idea what's going on there behind the scenes but I did note a lack of concentration at times - a notable few players seemed to be sleep-walking their way through games, especially after early January. Hein is a very high-IQ player, but it's obvious that she's not a Horizon League player athletically. She was playing at the proper level last year. She often went renegade and got it too far into the lane off the dribble and got  in serious trouble - getting it taken from her a bunch. They'll miss her IQ, and her ability to create havoc in transition - but well-coached teams, like Transy, would have put a stop to that just like they did last year. She played her best basketball before Christmas, before everyone figured her out - because she's not a good scorer off the dribble - transition and set-shots only. They'll miss the 6'1 kid from Kansas (or is it Oklahoma?) a bit for her length, but she was a much better player as a Freshman, IMO. She often looked as though she was scared to death to get hurt and avoided contact around the basket a great deal -perhaps an old injury. They'll miss your kid a bit for her length defensively. I also noticed that she was a good passer and saw the floor very well especially in half-court situations.

I just think, even with all those kids deciding to play, that they were still, at best, a 15-16 win team - with perhaps an upset at home of Bluffton, Hanover, or possibly even Transy. They just never had an elite scorer in that group - even Baum never wants to get it very close to the basket. Some of her more acrobatic baskets last year were in an effort to AVOID contact, not in reaction to it. Still, they'll beat the teams they should, for the most part.  Maybe a win or two in the non-conference slate - then splits with Earlham, MSJ, Manchester, and Defiance and POSSIBLY an upset home win over Anderson or Bluffton - so my prediction for RHIT's W-L record is as bad as 4-21 (3-15 HCAC) or as good as 8-17 (6-12 HCAC). It's possible they could get to 10 wins but unlikely. If a win over Manchester or Defiance turns out to be an upset, we're probably looking at a 4-5 win campaign.

Down year for the Fightin' Engineers. Hoping they have enough bodies to finish, but it won't be the first time they've had that issue - see 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011!

Watch out for Bluffton. They are the one team in the league that is as committed to defending as RHIT - well Manchester is as well but rarely has the talent the other two have. He's quietly done a good job recruiting over the past couple years, and has some kids that can really play - especially inside. Their games with Hanover will be bloodbaths, and I think they have a chance to clip Transy over in Ohio when they come to visit - especially if the Bluffton coach has managed to find a point guard.


My case for Hanover winning the HCAC Championship game - or a regular-season home game vs. Transy:
Hanover, if they feel like they have the right talent, Hanover won't hesitate to play that crazy pressing game that they used to such good effect in the early 2010's. At their best, Hanover is like a poor-man's Illinois Wesleyan, without post-play. If indeed they are talented enough to do that, they COULD get Transy into a scoring contest. Transy would ordinarily score a million points against a team that tried to play that way, but if they are able to turn it up a notch in the HCAC Championship game, and it winds up being one of the first times all season that Transy has been pushed or had to face adversity, they MIGHT just pull it off - much like they did in 2012 and 2015.

My case for Bluffton winning the HCAC Championship game - or a regular-season home game vs. Transy:
Another thing that goes unnoticed, I believe, is that Transy relies to an uncomfortable degree on two players (Kellione and Stacy) for 42% of their scoring. Now, each of them had off-games occasionally, but never at the same time, and neither were forced into a truly nightmarish night until Stacy was held to 9 points vs Trine in the Elite 8. The antidote to Transy is a tough, defensively-committed team that won't let them run up and down the floor and have fun - jacking up 3's and getting whatever offensive rebounds they want. You
MUST make things difficult for them. That's who RHIT was from 2015-2019, and that's who Trine always is. The only team in the HCAC right now that plays that way and has anywhere near good enough players to possibly beat Transy once out of three attempts in 2022-23 is Bluffton.

It's unlikely anyone will seriously threaten threaten Transy's regular-season title but Hanover and Bluffton will both be talented and experienced enough to give them trouble, especially on the road.

My picks are ;
1 - Transy
2 - Hanover/Bluffton
3 - Hanover/Bluffton
4 - Anderson
5 - Manchester
6 - Defiance
7 - Franklin
8 - MSJ
9 - RHIT
10-Earlham

My HCAC Final Four @ Transy:
Transy vs. Anderson
Bluffton vs. Hanover

I'm predicting a Hanover upset of Transy in the finals and the HCAC will be a two-bid conference. The Bluffton/Hanover loser will finish somewhere between 6th-10th in the final regional rankings and miss-out. The HCAC should have three regionally-ranked teams. Transy will still get to host no matter what.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 12, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Hey Engine. I do know why the assistant coach left but its discussions i had in private so i dont want to disclose those but he is much happier at his new job at a Georgia College.

On the Rose Team I think unfortunately you are being even optimistic even with you having low expectations. I have heard one freshman can score some the other 2 have a ways to go to help.  You have to remember they also lost Blake coming off the bench who could score and play some defense.  The big thing people dont realize is how losing people effect defensive matchups.   

Last year the number one defender was on Hein. That let Baum match up with the number 2.  My kid being 6ft always had a quick girl on her to try to take away her dribble. That left nolan and blake against the worst perimeter defender.  Barlow with her height and i have to disagree with you  they are going to miss her big time she has the best 8 ft shot in the conference had the best interior defender on her leaving Burnham with the 2nd defender now she will be the main focus.  They are going to get destroyed by the press this year. they cant even have one player get in foul trouble.

If you remember when they all came in freshman  and had no upperclassman a red flag i noticed at the time and i asked about during my daughters recruitment and was told it was because how hard the academics are at Rose and time is so valuable to a student they chose not to play.  There is some truth to how valuable time is that people outside of the school dont realize what these students have to do but this reason unfortunately I have seen first hand was an excuse.  You dont lose 7 upper classmen unless their are serious issues. 

I am extremally mad that my daughter and her teammates decided it was unhealthy for them to finish their careers. But the fact that they all chose to give up their senior moments I think speaks volumes over anything I would say.

Lastly i know your a graduate of the school and I have been asked by my friends do you regret sending your daughter to Rose. My answer is a emphatic NO.  My daughter called me after one week in her freshman year and told me i had to get her the hell out of there. There was no way she was smart enough. I told her no she knew what she was greeting into and she needed to figure it out.  Well im happy to say she will graduate with an A average she has received multiple job offers and just excepted a position paying six figures here at home and of course we are happy to get her back after 4 years.   

None of this would not have happened with out the Rose Hulman faculty who taught her to believe in herself that a failure will lead to growth and excellence who helped her on her road to success. I just wish the basketball operation had the same mantra and ability. If it could have equaled the growth  that faculty did in them as students in their basketball they would be playing for a conference championship.  Ill always will be bitter on the basketball end because it should not have become either or but both.  But if one had to be a disappointment and the other like winning a championship Ill take the classroom every time. 

I now enter my life not having any kids playing and not having any kids i coached in the system I now will just look for quality basketball to watch.

Lol Rose will have the best intermural team in the country as i think all the players who stopped playing are forming a intermural team.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on November 12, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Jester I'd love to  know what percentage of Freshmen at RHIT make that exact phone call home - wanting to bag it after just a few days!!
Obviously the service academies are going to be tougher due to the military discipline aspect - but I'd love to see a list of schools that are tougher than RHIT. Yes if anyone had any clue how difficult the academics are at RHIT, how little sleep most of the students get, how insanely fast-paced the classes are, and how difficult it is to keep one's head above water even if they DON'T play a sport, folks would wonder how in the world RHIT manages what little success they do have. It is very easy to quit playing a sport at Rose-Hulman. You have to really, really want to play your sport. If you don't, or if you're simply playing for your parents or for whatever reason, it's really easy to quit at some point.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 13, 2022, 12:55:04 AM
Engine. I would agree with what you said but i cant stress enough these girls left not for those reasons.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on November 13, 2022, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 13, 2022, 12:55:04 AM
Engine. I would agree with what you said but i cant stress enough these girls left not for those reasons.

Oh I'm not in any way suggesting they did/didn't leave for any reason other than the one's you've previously relayed. I'm simply well-aware, as much as anyone, that RHIT is definitely not the place to attempt to compete at a sport unless you're 100% committed and LOVE your sport. With the academics being so demanding, and therefore the free time allotted to each student being so comparatively small, that time is enormously precious to 18-22 year-olds - So if for WHATEVER reason they aren't enjoying themselves, be they issues with the coach, legitimate academic issues, or they just want more time to play video games, reasons to continue playing diminish rather quickly.

If you look at the modest success RHIT HAS had over the last decade - multiple football, baseball, soccer, golf, and basketball NCAA appearances - while being limited to recruiting kids with high test scores and the the ability to afford paying $40,000 or even $50,000+ AFTER financial aid (why IS their financial aid so bad? It was lousy 25 years ago and has only gotten worse!) - and THEN add the insanity of the academic load and the fact that many kids are constantly thinking about quitting their sport for the above reasons, it's astounding they are competitive at all in anything, to say nothing of actually winning the HCAC regularly. The women's basketball coach might have issues with that program, but there must be folks down there doing something right. Hopefully the new AD will keep things rolling. What's your initial take on the new AD, Jester?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NEHoopsFan on November 16, 2022, 04:47:41 PM
Just thought I would chime in quick.  I know nothing about RHIT, but a few years ago my daughter played for MIT where the rigours of academic are extremely high.  She played for the team that brought MIT their first and second ever conference championships and NCAA appearances.
Each year it would be expected that one or two underclassmen would quit basketball, but we were fortunate that the coaching staff and the school understood the daily pressure the girls were under. One thing MIT does that I loved, was there are never classes between 5-7 PM, and that is when ALL athletic practices are. Noo 5:30 AM practices, no missing class for practice. It was great for the players and coaches.
That being said, no matter how much you love the sport, if the environment is toxic your better off getting out and enjoying other aspects of your life, and thats not easy to do for these athletes who spent 90% of their life playing. So hats off to your daughter making the best decision for her.
As I said, I know nothing about your situation or RHIT, but just adding my $0.02
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on November 19, 2022, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: NEHoopsFan on November 16, 2022, 04:47:41 PM
Just thought I would chime in quick.  I know nothing about RHIT, but a few years ago my daughter played for MIT where the rigours of academic are extremely high.  She played for the team that brought MIT their first and second ever conference championships and NCAA appearances.
Each year it would be expected that one or two underclassmen would quit basketball, but we were fortunate that the coaching staff and the school understood the daily pressure the girls were under. One thing MIT does that I loved, was there are never classes between 5-7 PM, and that is when ALL athletic practices are. Noo 5:30 AM practices, no missing class for practice. It was great for the players and coaches.
That being said, no matter how much you love the sport, if the environment is toxic your better off getting out and enjoying other aspects of your life, and thats not easy to do for these athletes who spent 90% of their life playing. So hats off to your daughter making the best decision for her.
As I said, I know nothing about your situation or RHIT, but just adding my $0.02

I watched those 2014-2019 MIT teams often - whenever the games were streamed. Those were outstanding MIT squads with a couple of low-mid D-I level players in Holinski and Drammis - and a bunch of other kids that could play. Did Holinski play four full seasons? With RHIT being an undergraduate-focused institution without doctoral students to occupy the faculty's attention, I would imagine in some aspects it is even MORE difficult to play a sport at MIT than at RHIT, to say nothing of making waves nationally. I thought it was a HUGE deal several years ago when MIT's men's BB team spent most of the year ranked #1, and didn't their FB team play in the NCAA playoffs recently?
I'm not suggesting anyone continue in a toxic environment - just saying that with the kind of rigor and the discipline necessary just to keep one's head above water academically, any reason at all will convince many kids just to hang it up. There is a very, very small percentage of kids of this present college-age generation that would accept that kind of challenge - for 1,2,3, or 4 years. I have a lot of respect for kids that accept the challenge to play at schools like Stevens, RPI, Wooster, MIT, RHIT, and especially the service academies. It's not easy to have the self-discipline and work ethic to balance one's academics and play a sport at any college, at any level - but it's another level entirely at some schools.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NEHoopsFan on November 21, 2022, 02:07:54 PM
Those definitely were great teams to watch.  Yes, Holinski played all 4 years.  MIT won the newmac her Junior and Senior year (my daughters Freshman and Sophomore year) and they actually went back to the finals her junior year but fell short to a strong Smith team. Holinski was an excellent player, but your right, she was surrounded by very good players.
Like you mentioned, to play at any of this extremely rigorous academic schools it is challenging.  Thats why I was such a big fan of how MIT did it, having ALL athletics practice at the same time. I always wondered if other schools did similar things to support student athletes.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 23, 2022, 03:32:57 PM
Well it will be a interesting weekend for Rose when they might face IWU in the 2nd game . The DePauw and IWU should be a slobber knocker of a game.  Rose is 2-0 after a Pennsylvania tournament playing a teams that are now a combined 1-10.  This will be a huge test to see how far they might have fallen with so many upperclassmen deciding not to return.  If they play IWU in the 2nd game it will really be the litmus test as they beat IWU last year and would have had the same exact team returning if not for the upperclassmen leaving.  So we shall see how the rematch go's

It was a very emotional weekend watching them play last weekend and not seeing  my kid on the court but i did get to spend the weekend with her and seeing how happy she was and content she was with her decision and knowing it was the correct one made it a little easier.  I'm stuck between wanting players to do well and of course their experience is better by winning but then that contradicts my feelings for the program and what it has done to make so many players not want to return.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on November 24, 2022, 02:27:15 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 23, 2022, 03:32:57 PM
Well it will be a interesting weekend for Rose when they might face IWU in the 2nd game . The DePauw and IWU should be a slobber knocker of a game.  Rose is 2-0 after a Pennsylvania tournament playing a teams that are now a combined 1-10.  This will be a huge test to see how far they might have fallen with so many upperclassmen deciding not to return.  If they play IWU in the 2nd game it will really be the litmus test as they beat IWU last year and would have had the same exact team returning if not for the upperclassmen leaving.  So we shall see how the rematch go's

It was a very emotional weekend watching them play last weekend and not seeing  my kid on the court but i did get to spend the weekend with her and seeing how happy she was and content she was with her decision and knowing it was the correct one made it a little easier.  I'm stuck between wanting players to do well and of course their experience is better by winning but then that contradicts my feelings for the program and what it has done to make so many players not want to return.

Jester - not doubting your daughter's experience at all, but if things were so bad in that program, why didn't they all quit? Why is anyone left at all to play this season? Were some kids singled out more than others?

As for this weekend, DePauw didn't quite look like themselves against Wisconsin Lutheran last week but, then again, Wisc. Lutheran has always given DePauw problems...always. I cannot imagine WashU won't obliterate RHIT - they'll likely put the game away within the first two minutes of the first quarter. IWU is doing their usual early-season thing, but they'll be formidable by late January. I have to believe any IWU-RHIT game would be over around the time the backcourt begins to tire - likely mid-2nd quarter - Earlier if the IWU coach wants to run-and-jump from the opening tip-off.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 27, 2022, 09:10:24 PM
well in the first test of the year where rose played a team from last year it was pretty bleak.   The players all worked hard but the administration has put a burden on these players that didnt need to be.  You have a program with 8 players. Injuries are going to happen especially if all the players are playing 30 minutes plus. The grind hasn't even started and 2 players down hopefully not severe but one didnt dress for todays game at Depauw and another was hurt during the game so as of now they might be down to 6 players for Transylvania come Saturday. 

Last year they lost to a better Depauw team by 10 with the game being close to the end and then them pulling away with free throws at end.    Today a 38 point loss   Baum was 4-20 and wilson 3-10  rest of team had 19 total shots. 

Engine to answer your question as far as i  believe most of the players that left the program went to the athletic director and voiced their concerns and issues.   They obviously ignored those concerns and decided to proceed same o same o.  Why did some players stay. i have no ideal they might not have had issues. Some might be excited that now they have more Key roles  All i can tell you these players who left are extremally bright and great critical thinkers who are not even remotely soft. they all come from backgrounds of being the stud and having pressure and demands on them for all of them to say well I played this my whole life but what is going on here just isnt worth it for me.

I was told by a senior mom when my kid was a freshman that their were issues with the program  during the sisters star years and that investigations were done. I wasn't around during that time so i can only tell you what a mom told me but look at the last 7 years and look at the percentage of players who left the program its staggering its around 60 percent including recruits who signed then didnt play 

The administration knew the  issues and didn't address the issues. They are to blame for putting the current players health at risk.  With such a small rosters these players are asked to put their bodies through a huge grind every game which opens them up to more injuries. I admire the current players for doing their best but leadership failed and has put them in this situation.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 30, 2022, 05:43:35 PM
Engine The complete failure to address  the issues has come home to roost.  There most likely will be an announcement probably tomorrow that will leave all supporters of the school and program shaking their heads and saying it should have never come to this.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 03, 2022, 12:31:37 AM
Rose will play Transylvania tomorrow and it will be announced that the Rose-hulman woman's season will be cancelled after the game. I cant even tell you the ineptitude of the administration in this happening. 7 players quit your program all upperclassmen  and you sat and did nothing. Not even in your inaugural season  when you had players who never played you still fielded a team.  From a upcoming team to be decimated by non action.  Its embarrassing as a program as a university and as a fan.  You dont come to Rose to just play sports but to get a high education but there is no reason why a player should not have been able to have both.

i have heard there are 2 big recruits coming next year including a 6-4  with d-1 offers. If i was hope university or another engineering school I would be on the horn to them why do you want that mess. Even if the 2 come which if im a parent i would be like wait a second  Rose will be in the same position next year as they lose 3 players plus anyone else who decides not to come back. Its  possible there may not be a season next year.

its going to be ugly tomorrow and the university only has itself to blame what a horrible look.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 03, 2022, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on November 30, 2022, 05:43:35 PM
Engine The complete failure to address  the issues has come home to roost.  There most likely will be an announcement probably tomorrow that will leave all supporters of the school and program shaking their heads and saying it should have never come to this.

YIKES!!!
You were unfortunately correct, Jester. My goodness. How embarrassing!

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2022/12/3/rose-hulman-announces-cancellation-of-2022-23-womens-basketball-season.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 03, 2022, 10:00:41 PM
What are the issues regarding RHIT that seem only to significantly affect the women's basketball team that are being ignored by the administration?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 04, 2022, 09:10:36 AM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 03, 2022, 10:00:41 PM
What are the issues regarding RHIT that seem only to significantly affect the women's basketball team that are being ignored by the administration?

Jester's daughter has played more recently, so I'll let him answer regarding specifics around the administration and staff. 30,000 ft view is the school now costs $75,000 per year. Its average cost AFTER financial aid is the starting point for most liberal arts colleges - which make up 95% of Division III membership. There is a very small demographic for RHIT to recruit from (females that want engineering, want a selective school, aren't intimidated by the academics, and whose families won't vomit at the thought of paying $45-$50,000 AFTER financial aid), made even smaller by the fact that engineering only attracts women at a rate of around 18-20% of the profession annually. In addition, while RHIT isn't as selective as the Ivy League, the service academies, or MIT/CalTech, they are much more selective than everyone else by a sight. The kids that can really play are also getting looks from the above schools, who all have far bigger endowments and better financial aid. Last time I had a conversation with anyone on that staff, which was in 2015'ish up at Hope, I was told that RHIT would have a low-mid Division I caliber roster in women's basketball if they even had BAD financial aid, instead of truly horrifying financial aid.
Let's face it, the key to having an elite D-III women's program is to entice Division II/NAIA/low-mid D-I kids to play down, for whatever reason. RHIT's stats always get them in the picture, then out very quickly once families realize what it will cost. Not only that, but even D-III caliber kids don't want to tackle that much debt.
Unfortunately the school, for whatever reason, won't or can't give decent financial aid, and folks have all kinds of options. If you go online and check out the salaries they are paying their top-ten administrators, it is obvious where the school wants to put its money. They held a presidential search a few years ago and couldn't find anyone outside the school that even wanted to apply for the job, given the considerable pratfalls around the low endowment
So - bottom line is high cost, extraordinarily low financial aid, competitors offering the same degree for far less money, and now issues with the coach. Why not the same issue on the men's side? Far, far more men go into engineering, and families are more comfortable with a son taking on $150,000+ undergraduate debt than they are their little girls. I would never have paid that much money for a non-Ivy when my kids were that age.
He did have a good run, those guys took all the above drawbacks and won three HCAC titles, had two trips to the NCAA Tournament (and would have advanced at least to the Sweet 16 if their best guard hadn't gotten injured right before the NCAA's in 2018), and I believe finished in the Top-5 in scoring defense for 4-5 straight years. Hopefully whomever is next tasked to lead the program will be someone with experience recruiting in hopeless situations LoL...
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 04, 2022, 09:37:11 AM
Hard to believe that they couldn't make the season work, where there is a will there is a way. A call to the student body for tryouts. They have a soccer, volleyball and cross-country teams that just ended seasons and have fit players who many probably played basketball in HS. Instead, they chose to blow it up and leave the current team members without a season to play. Seems wrong in so many ways. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on December 04, 2022, 10:12:06 AM
The costs and demographics at RHIT seem to resemble a few other schools around the country, such as RPI.  These schools have not had trouble fielding women's team though they are typically not D3 powerhouses.  I don't know the details but it seems there must be unique challenges at RHIT (financial aid and coach have been mentioned; I know nothing about those at RHIT) that make it tougher to field a team than at other market basket schools
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 04, 2022, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on December 04, 2022, 09:10:36 AM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 03, 2022, 10:00:41 PM
What are the issues regarding RHIT that seem only to significantly affect the women's basketball team that are being ignored by the administration?

Jester's daughter has played more recently, so I'll let him answer regarding specifics around the administration and staff. 30,000 ft view is the school now costs $75,000 per year. Its average cost AFTER financial aid is the starting point for most liberal arts colleges - which make up 95% of Division III membership. There is a very small demographic for RHIT to recruit from (females that want engineering, want a selective school, aren't intimidated by the academics, and whose families won't vomit at the thought of paying $45-$50,000 AFTER financial aid), made even smaller by the fact that engineering only attracts women at a rate of around 18-20% of the profession annually. In addition, while RHIT isn't as selective as the Ivy League, the service academies, or MIT/CalTech, they are much more selective than everyone else by a sight. The kids that can really play are also getting looks from the above schools, who all have far bigger endowments and better financial aid. Last time I had a conversation with anyone on that staff, which was in 2015'ish up at Hope, I was told that RHIT would have a low-mid Division I caliber roster in women's basketball if they even had BAD financial aid, instead of truly horrifying financial aid.
Let's face it, the key to having an elite D-III women's program is to entice Division II/NAIA/low-mid D-I kids to play down, for whatever reason. RHIT's stats always get them in the picture, then out very quickly once families realize what it will cost. Not only that, but even D-III caliber kids don't want to tackle that much debt.
Unfortunately the school, for whatever reason, won't or can't give decent financial aid, and folks have all kinds of options. If you go online and check out the salaries they are paying their top-ten administrators, it is obvious where the school wants to put its money. They held a presidential search a few years ago and couldn't find anyone outside the school that even wanted to apply for the job, given the considerable pratfalls around the low endowment
So - bottom line is high cost, extraordinarily low financial aid, competitors offering the same degree for far less money, and now issues with the coach. Why not the same issue on the men's side? Far, far more men go into engineering, and families are more comfortable with a son taking on $150,000+ undergraduate debt than they are their little girls. I would never have paid that much money for a non-Ivy when my kids were that age.
He did have a good run, those guys took all the above drawbacks and won three HCAC titles, had two trips to the NCAA Tournament (and would have advanced at least to the Sweet 16 if their best guard hadn't gotten injured right before the NCAA's in 2018), and I believe finished in the Top-5 in scoring defense for 4-5 straight years. Hopefully whomever is next tasked to lead the program will be someone with experience recruiting in hopeless situations LoL...
While helpful info., players are already IN the program and THEN leaving the team. Seems to me that the issues at the root cause of the problem aren't tuition cost/financial aid-related. Something else is amiss.

Btw - this job, if done right, is a GOLD MINE!!! Clearly you can get more talented kids than any league foe would have access to.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 04, 2022, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on December 04, 2022, 09:10:36 AM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 03, 2022, 10:00:41 PM
What are the issues regarding RHIT that seem only to significantly affect the women's basketball team that are being ignored by the administration?

Jester's daughter has played more recently, so I'll let him answer regarding specifics around the administration and staff. 30,000 ft view is the school now costs $75,000 per year. Its average cost AFTER financial aid is the starting point for most liberal arts colleges - which make up 95% of Division III membership. There is a very small demographic for RHIT to recruit from (females that want engineering, want a selective school, aren't intimidated by the academics, and whose families won't vomit at the thought of paying $45-$50,000 AFTER financial aid), made even smaller by the fact that engineering only attracts women at a rate of around 18-20% of the profession annually. In addition, while RHIT isn't as selective as the Ivy League, the service academies, or MIT/CalTech, they are much more selective than everyone else by a sight. The kids that can really play are also getting looks from the above schools, who all have far bigger endowments and better financial aid. Last time I had a conversation with anyone on that staff, which was in 2015'ish up at Hope, I was told that RHIT would have a low-mid Division I caliber roster in women's basketball if they even had BAD financial aid, instead of truly horrifying financial aid.
Let's face it, the key to having an elite D-III women's program is to entice Division II/NAIA/low-mid D-I kids to play down, for whatever reason. RHIT's stats always get them in the picture, then out very quickly once families realize what it will cost. Not only that, but even D-III caliber kids don't want to tackle that much debt.
Unfortunately the school, for whatever reason, won't or can't give decent financial aid, and folks have all kinds of options. If you go online and check out the salaries they are paying their top-ten administrators, it is obvious where the school wants to put its money. They held a presidential search a few years ago and couldn't find anyone outside the school that even wanted to apply for the job, given the considerable pratfalls around the low endowment
So - bottom line is high cost, extraordinarily low financial aid, competitors offering the same degree for far less money, and now issues with the coach. Why not the same issue on the men's side? Far, far more men go into engineering, and families are more comfortable with a son taking on $150,000+ undergraduate debt than they are their little girls. I would never have paid that much money for a non-Ivy when my kids were that age.
He did have a good run, those guys took all the above drawbacks and won three HCAC titles, had two trips to the NCAA Tournament (and would have advanced at least to the Sweet 16 if their best guard hadn't gotten injured right before the NCAA's in 2018), and I believe finished in the Top-5 in scoring defense for 4-5 straight years. Hopefully whomever is next tasked to lead the program will be someone with experience recruiting in hopeless situations LoL...
Considering how good other teams are at Rose (and possibly struggling less with turnover), it's something significant but localized to WBB. Last year in the HCAC, RHIT was 1st in the men's all-sports ranking, 3rd in the women's all-sports rankings, and were just edged out by Hanover for the Commissioner's Cup. The football team this year were in a de facto conference title game a few weeks ago. No other sports seem to be affected like women's basketball has been.

As to the cancelled season, I'm reminded of the Medgar Evers women back in 2012-13 (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Medgar_Evers/women/2012-13/index). They struggled with roster size and were getting humiliated (several games early on failing to score double digits) but they played on and you can tell they got better as the season progressed even if they went winless.
If there were at least 6 players who said they want to keep playing, I think they should be able to play. Cancelling the season is the nuclear option so I hope every possible alternative was tried.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 04, 2022, 01:07:19 PM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 04, 2022, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Enginerd on December 04, 2022, 09:10:36 AM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 03, 2022, 10:00:41 PM
What are the issues regarding RHIT that seem only to significantly affect the women's basketball team that are being ignored by the administration?

Jester's daughter has played more recently, so I'll let him answer regarding specifics around the administration and staff. 30,000 ft view is the school now costs $75,000 per year. Its average cost AFTER financial aid is the starting point for most liberal arts colleges - which make up 95% of Division III membership. There is a very small demographic for RHIT to recruit from (females that want engineering, want a selective school, aren't intimidated by the academics, and whose families won't vomit at the thought of paying $45-$50,000 AFTER financial aid), made even smaller by the fact that engineering only attracts women at a rate of around 18-20% of the profession annually. In addition, while RHIT isn't as selective as the Ivy League, the service academies, or MIT/CalTech, they are much more selective than everyone else by a sight. The kids that can really play are also getting looks from the above schools, who all have far bigger endowments and better financial aid. Last time I had a conversation with anyone on that staff, which was in 2015'ish up at Hope, I was told that RHIT would have a low-mid Division I caliber roster in women's basketball if they even had BAD financial aid, instead of truly horrifying financial aid.
Let's face it, the key to having an elite D-III women's program is to entice Division II/NAIA/low-mid D-I kids to play down, for whatever reason. RHIT's stats always get them in the picture, then out very quickly once families realize what it will cost. Not only that, but even D-III caliber kids don't want to tackle that much debt.
Unfortunately the school, for whatever reason, won't or can't give decent financial aid, and folks have all kinds of options. If you go online and check out the salaries they are paying their top-ten administrators, it is obvious where the school wants to put its money. They held a presidential search a few years ago and couldn't find anyone outside the school that even wanted to apply for the job, given the considerable pratfalls around the low endowment
So - bottom line is high cost, extraordinarily low financial aid, competitors offering the same degree for far less money, and now issues with the coach. Why not the same issue on the men's side? Far, far more men go into engineering, and families are more comfortable with a son taking on $150,000+ undergraduate debt than they are their little girls. I would never have paid that much money for a non-Ivy when my kids were that age.
He did have a good run, those guys took all the above drawbacks and won three HCAC titles, had two trips to the NCAA Tournament (and would have advanced at least to the Sweet 16 if their best guard hadn't gotten injured right before the NCAA's in 2018), and I believe finished in the Top-5 in scoring defense for 4-5 straight years. Hopefully whomever is next tasked to lead the program will be someone with experience recruiting in hopeless situations LoL...
While helpful info., players are already IN the program and THEN leaving the team. Seems to me that the issues at the root cause of the problem aren't tuition cost/financial aid-related. Something else is amiss.

Btw - this job, if done right, is a GOLD MINE!!! Clearly you can get more talented kids than any league foe would have access to.

WBB has won as many HCAC titles and has as many NCAA appearances as Women's soccer at RHIT over the past decade. Football has indeed had a great run - but if you look at their roster they are FULL of California kids, who have nowhere to go West of the Mississippi if they want to play football and get an elite engineering degree PLUS California has far more wealthy folks willing to spend whatever it takes and everyone pays through the nose in CA even for public universities. The women's tennis team at RHIT has had one or two good years but nowhere near the amount of success of the men's tennis squad.

The one women's program that has proven your theory correct, itsnotmeitsyou, is the women's golf team. They've obliterated the HCAC since 2019, finishing 1-2 with their B team at a conference meet last year. Not coincidentally, the same person who recruited the great RHIT BB players from the early 2010's was also the women's golf coach - but they've left now as well. Jester knows why but he ain't telling! My point is that golf is a "country club" sport with a completely different demographic to choose from than BB. Soccer as well, really, if  you're anywhere near a green space in a big-city suburb on any summer Saturday, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

I'm not defending anyone. I've been hearing that the coach was a tyrant since at least the early 2000's when my kid was there and he coached the men's team - but I'm pretty sure recruiting WBB players at RHIT is harder than it looks.

Also, Roundball999, you're correct about the similarities with RPI, but RPI, (and Union, Stevens, Hamilton, MIT, Rensselaer etc...) is in NY and in an area with a much bigger population and easy access to the NY/New England corridor.  RHIT is in Terre Haute, IN. Plus, the whole world comes to Indiana to recruit basketball players and, at least 20 years ago, it was not uncommon to see those schools creeping around events in the Midwest. RHIT has never been able to "put up a fence" and get who they want from the Midwest. I'm sure WashU, Hope, Calvin, Indiana Tech, and especially Trine just murder them financial aid-wise whenever an engineering kid that can play pops-up. RHIT was my kid's most expensive option by at least $20,000 but she fell in love with the school, and were fortunate to have some family money to help with the outrageous cost - were it not for that she would have been at Hope, Calvin, or Michigan State most likely.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 10, 2022, 08:20:58 PM
Other than a disastrous 2nd quarter, looks like Bluffton came the closest of anyone so far this season - to giving Transylvania a game. Three glaring stats that stand out:
- Bluffton had 24 turnovers, Cannot defeat a good team turning it over that often. Transylvania scored 28 points off those turnovers.
- Transylvania had TWENTY ONE offensive rebounds. That is an astronomical number of offensive boards.
- Transylvania was only whistled for 10 fouls while Bluffton was called for 20.  Transylvania shot 18 free throws to Bluffton's 2. To be expected in Lexington. RHIT has always struggled with the officials down there. I'll say this though, Transy is very aggressive, and officials are human and often call the game based off the more aggressive team - otherwise they'd be calling fouls all night.

Another shocking stat is that of the 66 shots that Transylvania got up today, 41 of them were 3's. 63% of Transy's shots today were 3's.

Therein lies the problem for opposing teams, and what makes Transy so difficult to defeat. When you shoot 41 shots from beyond the arc, that means there will be a lot of long rebounds. Stacy and especially Thornton are so quick and athletic, and with the floor so  spread-out when a 3-pt attempt goes up, it's very, very difficult to block them out. Thornton in particular is a match-up nightmare. Most teams have to put a legit post player guarding her, or Transy will just high-low them to death over the top of smaller players - but that taller, longer player often isn't athletic or mobile enough to block her out and keep her off the offensive glass when she starts from 15 feet away from the basket - which is usually where she is when a 3-pt attempt goes up, if not further away.

It will be interesting to see where it goes from here for Transy. They are very, very good, again. However, they aren't shooting it quite as well from the field (42.8% in 2021-22 vs. 37.9% this year) as they did last year and their 3-pt % is down as well (31.9% last year compared to 28.8% this year).  Their scoring IS a bit more balanced so far this season, with 3 players averaging 13 pts per game - while last year Kellione and Stacy accounted for over 40% of the team's points.

Only three of the seven teams they've played so far this year have winning records, with two of those teams being HCAC members Franklin and Bluffton - and Bluffton is notorious for playing weak schedules. Nevertheless, Bluffton, along with Hanover and possibly Wisconsin Lutheran, are the only remaining teams that have a prayer of beating Transy in the regular season - IF they limit turnovers, limit Transy to 12 or fewer offensive rebounds, and hold two of Transy's starters to fewer than 10 points.

Will Transy's remaining schedule be enough to prepare them for the NCAA Tournament? They still have road games at Hanover and Bluffton, which are potential stumbling blocks - but they do not otherwise have to face ANY other real tests all the way potentially to the Sweet 16. One might argue that they'll see 4-3 Wisconsin Lutheran, whose best win is over a DePauw squad that's struggled this season (plus I suppose you could argue that they played Calvin tough-who played Hope tough), and 7-0 Berea, who's played one of the weakest schedules in the MIdwest (their opponents are a combined 10-41), but that event is at home. Again, Transy, is really, really good, but an important aspect of this is how important it is for them to play at home - which, barring some unexpected losses, is guaranteed all the way through the Elite 8.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 10, 2022, 09:35:23 PM
Took in the double hitter at Transylvania today and I would say the women's offense is still not in sync, but their high level of pressure defense and offensive rebounding will take them a long way. How far will depend on their 3-point shot making in games come tournament time.   

Transylvania added a game at John Carroll next Saturday to replace the lost game with RHIT, will be their toughest test of the remainder of the regular season schedule. They will need to take their A game with them to avoid a setback.

A little shoutout to the officials in both games today, thought they did a great job today. I've probably seen this women's game crew do a dozen or more games the past few years, mostly NAIA games and thought they let them play for the most part. Bluffton is a physical team and if they hadn't started so cold shooting the ball, they probably would have been in it all game. Bluffton won the second half and Transylvania never did go deep into their bench. Enjoyed watching both games.         
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 11, 2022, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: Baldini on December 10, 2022, 09:35:23 PM
Took in the double hitter at Transylvania today and I would say the women's offense is still not in sync, but their high level of pressure defense and offensive rebounding will take them a long way. How far will depend on their 3-point shot making in games come tournament time.   

Transylvania added a game at John Carroll next Saturday to replace the lost game with RHIT, will be their toughest test of the remainder of the regular season schedule. They will need to take their A game with them to avoid a setback.

A little shoutout to the officials in both games today, thought they did a great job today. I've probably seen this women's game crew do a dozen or more games the past few years, mostly NAIA games and thought they let them play for the most part. Bluffton is a physical team and if they hadn't started so cold shooting the ball, they probably would have been in it all game. Bluffton won the second half and Transylvania never did go deep into their bench. Enjoyed watching both games.       

You're probably right about the John Carrol game - although Wisconsin Lutheran has a reputation as a giant-killer occasionally. Bluffton and possibly Hanover might give them trouble on the road, but it's all set-up for Transylvania to run the table. They are a fun team to watch, especially since they've embraced a tougher, more defensive-minded approach - actually they've been getting better defensively every year since 2019. Offensive rebounding from the perimeter really is their secret sauce.

As someone who likes to watch great basketball, I really wish they'd venture out and play better teams. I know as soon as RHIT felt like they had the talent, they really loaded-up with as many strong games as possible - almost all of them on the road. Hope, WashU, Chicago, IL. Wesleyan. Albion, Rhodes, Depauw, Texas-Dallas (when they were great)...etc. That Hope game was so much fun to watch. During the Bromenschenkel era RHIT always had a top-10 SOS until HCAC games began. I'd so much rather see Transy step-out and at least try to play some top-notch teams a couple times per year - it would be good for them come tournament time. They've stepped-out of the friendly confines of the Beck Center to play a D-III thoroughbred program exactly twice (counting the ETBU game in the pandemic year) in the past five years. It's almost as though their schedule is set-up to guarantee as many home games as possible, with any away games being against teams that aren't horrible, but aren't great either. Just enough flavor to guarantee themselves home-court advantage in the NCAA Tournament - which they have an outsized chance at getting in any given year being an NCAA favorite geographically.

I think it actually hurts Transylvania just a little bit that they don't have a halfway decent RHIT on their schedule this year. The antidote to Transylvania is a team that defends like it's hair is on fire and makes things exceedingly difficult offensively, has guards that will be tough against the slapping and reaching and can hold on to the ball and won't turn it over against their press, and gives them only one shot per possession and won't allow them to run wild from the perimeter, shooting 3's and getting long rebounds every other possession - just like RHIT did twice in close games last year and Trine did in the NCAA Tournament. The more often they see teams like this, the better prepared they'll be when the games really count. Go watch the first 4-5 minutes of the Transy-RHIT game from last weekend, and then imagine a team with talent, athleticism, and length doing the same thing - Transy would have been in a serious scrap. Hopefully, the schedule they have will wind up being strong enough to help propel them a game or two further this season. It would really help the conference to have a team make the Final Four or challenge for a national title.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 11, 2022, 12:37:47 PM
Quote from: Enginerd on December 11, 2022, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: Baldini on December 10, 2022, 09:35:23 PM
Took in the double hitter at Transylvania today and I would say the women's offense is still not in sync, but their high level of pressure defense and offensive rebounding will take them a long way. How far will depend on their 3-point shot making in games come tournament time.   

Transylvania added a game at John Carroll next Saturday to replace the lost game with RHIT, will be their toughest test of the remainder of the regular season schedule. They will need to take their A game with them to avoid a setback.

A little shoutout to the officials in both games today, thought they did a great job today. I've probably seen this women's game crew do a dozen or more games the past few years, mostly NAIA games and thought they let them play for the most part. Bluffton is a physical team and if they hadn't started so cold shooting the ball, they probably would have been in it all game. Bluffton won the second half and Transylvania never did go deep into their bench. Enjoyed watching both games.       

You're probably right about the John Carrol game - although Wisconsin Lutheran has a reputation as a giant-killer occasionally. Bluffton and possibly Hanover might give them trouble on the road, but it's all set-up for Transylvania to run the table. They are a fun team to watch, especially since they've embraced a tougher, more defensive-minded approach - actually they've been getting better defensively every year since 2019. Offensive rebounding from the perimeter really is their secret sauce.

As someone who likes to watch great basketball, I really wish they'd venture out and play better teams. I know as soon as RHIT felt like they had the talent, they really loaded-up with as many strong games as possible - almost all of them on the road. Hope, WashU, Chicago, IL. Wesleyan. Albion, Rhodes, Depauw, Texas-Dallas (when they were great)...etc. That Hope game was so much fun to watch. During the Bromenschenkel era RHIT always had a top-10 SOS until HCAC games began. I'd so much rather see Transy step-out and at least try to play some top-notch teams a couple times per year - it would be good for them come tournament time. They've stepped-out of the friendly confines of the Beck Center to play a D-III thoroughbred program exactly twice (counting the ETBU game in the pandemic year) in the past five years. It's almost as though their schedule is set-up to guarantee as many home games as possible, with any away games being against teams that aren't horrible, but aren't great either. Just enough flavor to guarantee themselves home-court advantage in the NCAA Tournament - which they have an outsized chance at getting in any given year being an NCAA favorite geographically.

I think it actually hurts Transylvania just a little bit that they don't have a halfway decent RHIT on their schedule this year. The antidote to Transylvania is a team that defends like it's hair is on fire and makes things exceedingly difficult offensively, has guards that will be tough against the slapping and reaching and can hold on to the ball and won't turn it over against their press, and gives them only one shot per possession and won't allow them to run wild from the perimeter, shooting 3's and getting long rebounds every other possession - just like RHIT did twice in close games last year and Trine did in the NCAA Tournament. The more often they see teams like this, the better prepared they'll be when the games really count. Go watch the first 4-5 minutes of the Transy-RHIT game from last weekend, and then imagine a team with talent, athleticism, and length doing the same thing - Transy would have been in a serious scrap. Hopefully, the schedule they have will wind up being strong enough to help propel them a game or two further this season. It would really help the conference to have a team make the Final Four or challenge for a national title.

You have beat this drum a few times in the past and I don't disagree about this year's schedule, it is a bit underwhelming considering the talent they had returning. But I disagree with you about some of the past years, last year Tufts was #7 when they traveled to Boston to play them, and John Carroll was #3 when that game was played. With only 7 non-conference games in the HCAC it limits what they can do and still keep with their traditional games played. They have played Spalding forever in the annual Louisville-Lexington battle (hasn't been a battle in some time though) and they host their annual Pat Deacon tournament which doesn't leave many games to play with. Berea has been an annual instate game most every season also, yet some years they have worked them in by being part of the tournament.   

I'm of the belief that you need to be tested throughout the season to be ready for the post season also, but that doesn't mean every non-conference game needs to be against a ranked opponent either. Yet this year does seem light, hopefully for their sake road games with John Carroll, Hanover and Bluffton along with the Wisconsin Lutheran and Berea holiday tournament games is the tests they need.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 13, 2022, 05:42:08 PM
Hi Guys   I have been in the middle of the ocean on vacation and couldnt respond on line here.  I have brand new information. As i share this. There are no winners only destruction because admistrations closed their eyes due to winning championships.  These are my opinions and its information from non players that are close to the program. This will be extremly long so i may break it up into sections  incase any of you guys have a question.

First the new information  There was meeting last week and  announcement of that meeting will happen soon  I know Jon Personally and of course he recruited my daughter I even did some recruiting for him here in Minnesota.  I had heard some things from senior parents when my daughter came in and i did have a red flag as there was no one left from 2018 recruiting class. I am as guilty as any parent if it wasnt for the education she received I would really be mad at myself for seeing signs but looking the other way, . Rose had just come off of a tremendous 4 years as they had 2 sisters one in particular who was better then any other player in the conference.  They were graduating a whole team except one senior and another upperclassman that ended up quitting.  Parents of that group gave me a warning about how players were treated and that a chair had been thrown at a wall by a girl  and a investigation was started but nothing came about I dont know if that is a fact but was told to me by a older players parent but the player had not started in the past  and i just chalked it up to parents being mad their child hadnt played more.  in my daughters class there was one player who had d-1 offers and my daughter who had d-2 and naia full rides.  They would in the ensuing years get 3 more d-1 players who all quit the team .  As a parent i was happy my kid would play alot as a freshman they only have 4 years left so that is enticing.  The gym was terrific the girls coming in with her high caliber.  The most important and the reason she passed up full rides was because of the education which to Rose-Hulman and my daughters credit has paid off with a six figure offer after she graduates.    Freshman year growing pains but some girls said they wouldn't be back as they didn't enjoy playing for the coach. my daughter had issues but it was more related to game play at that time as he was a heavy believer in post and would get mad at players for taking 3 pointers.  he is  a defensive coach and in the case of my kid she was an excellent defender which was getting her a lot of playing time.  Get to junior season more girls have quit more are un happy the d-1 transfer after a month told him she wouldn't come back and play for him.  In the case of my kid and others they felt they were being attacked for off court matters.  7 upper classmen quit.  to be continued
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 13, 2022, 05:51:21 PM
My daughter went to the  administration along with others and told her opinion on the matter. Her big concern wasn't her but kids coming in after her she didnt want them to go through what some of the things her and other teammates were experiencing.  They nodded along and said oh you know i want to a advocate for you and the others. She left that meeting and never heard another word from the administration. She did end up having a one on one with the coach to his credit apologized and asked if she would come back and she said no that the relationship had been harmed to much.  The others made the same decision. So they go into the season with 7 girls 2 get hurt early.  my daughter felt terrible for her friends she did what's best for her but didn't want them to lose their season she said she would consider playing for a interim coach and she thought the others would also.  I shared that with the administration and they never even asked the players. in the game against Transylvania they had more players that quit in the stands then on the bench.  They never asked the student body if there were other athletes that would come out.  Season cancelled no one wins.  I am going to go on with life and not vent and then i get a email from the administration which i will share. The smugness and condescension was to much so I wrote the President. here are the emails

Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 13, 2022, 05:52:10 PM
Good evening Mr. Jester,

Thank you for expressing your concern. We know the decision was not favorable by everyone, however; it was the best decision for the team. The team was very understanding, and we will continue to do what's best for this program.

I look forward to better things to come. I hope Kahlan is doing better, and I hope she knows that she still has an advocate in me.

Please let her know she is more welcome to come see me and chat.

Have a good evening.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 13, 2022, 05:58:05 PM
Hi Ms. Tweedy and Mr. Coons

I wanted to respond to your email and just want you to know I don't find anything the university has done recently on the case of  my daughter or in the  past for others has shown  any advocacy for them.  Seven upperclassmen came to you with issues and were simply ignored. I run companies if I had all my upper management people resigning because of my general manager I would be taking  a hard look why. 
Here is a list of players over just the last few years that all quit playing because of the program.   The success of the 2 sisters must have blinded the administration to what was going on.  It's to late for my daughter and for her family she will never have the senior moments she earned and deserved and to be frank they were taken away by your inaction. As I stated before I will always be grateful to rose for the education my daughter has received and has a great job lined up after graduation but there was no reason that it had to be just on the education side.  Here is the list
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 13, 2022, 05:58:24 PM
So, grand total...26 kids
Erin Davie
Heather Finnell
Addie Johnson
Hayley Gilliam
Olivia Ottone
Kristen Belyea
Jamie Loving
Jordan Hagood
Shelby Julian
Mandy Routon
Chiarra Franklin
Brianna Glieseman
Sophie Brooks
Stacy Fox
Cassie Utley
Abby Holloway
Caitlin Young
Desirae Webster
Jordan Barlow
Kahlan Jester
Lindsey Thomas
Jenna Myers
Ashley Black
Manuella Shomba
Rowan Hein
Nosa Igehon
Plus the whole recruiting class of 2018
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 13, 2022, 06:11:23 PM
What can a coach can take advantage of what Rose has to offer.  A spectacular gym and campus. One of the best educations.  Engine I would disagree some on the money. My daughter got pretty good rewards for her grades but it was about 40k a year it got cheaper once she moved off campus.  Rose does get more d-1 and d-2 girls to look at them because of their education. Every player i know has a job lined up already and is anywhere from 75 k to 125k. The university needs to spend money on coaching it was a joke their was only one assistant coach compared to other teams.   They need multiple recruiters because the standards are tough at Rose.  My kid is the first from Minnesota to play for them. That is ridiculous we are a stem state and we have no schools except d-1 that have engineering programs. We are loaded with talent in this state.   I mentioned in a prior message i was asked if i was mad my daughter went to rose.  The answer was no because in the end basketball wa sover in 4 years and the real life begins. Thsi school has set her up do be financially secure her entire life and for that I'm grateful. However if im being honest with myself what would have happened if i ha d known about Hope and we had visited I have no ideal how she might have played or how much but to play in front of full arena to have a coach  nurture and propel her is something i think of.  I have no ideal if a engineering degree carries the weight of one from Rose but if rose is a standard bearer for the degree. Hope is on the basketball side.

The kid has 2 years left due to covid i have one fantasy left of her going  to go play for Coach Kelly who recruited her at Gustavus and supported her more during her time in college then her current team staff but as she says dad we have had our time and now its time for the next challenges in life. 

Wish everyone a merry christmas or  the holiday you celebrate.   Iwu i told you when rose played IWU that huber was a special talent
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 14, 2022, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 13, 2022, 05:58:24 PM
So, grand total...26 kids
Erin Davie
Heather Finnell
Addie Johnson
Hayley Gilliam
Olivia Ottone
Kristen Belyea
Jamie Loving
Jordan Hagood
Shelby Julian
Mandy Routon
Chiarra Franklin
Brianna Glieseman
Sophie Brooks
Stacy Fox
Cassie Utley
Abby Holloway
Caitlin Young
Desirae Webster
Jordan Barlow
Kahlan Jester
Lindsey Thomas
Jenna Myers
Ashley Black
Manuella Shomba
Rowan Hein
Nosa Igehon
Plus the whole recruiting class of 2018

Hey Jester - Wondering if you know anything about a rumor that's circling around locals, particularly alums? I was told that the AD would not allow any efforts to try to find a way to finish the season even thought the players wanted to keep playing.

How crazy is that - to not act on first-hand information (and probably much more) TEN MONTHS ago, then wait until the season has begun and rip it away from the kids in order to be able to use low numbers to get rid of the coach? That's like amputating your leg to get rid of athlete's foot! If this is true, I cannot fathom why they would have waited and allowed it to reach this point. Suffice to say that it sounds like RHIT has an athletic department in deep turmoil based on this and other issues relating to other sports and their coaches.

How can a department implode like this in such a short period of time? I have friends/classmates that remain involved with the institute in different capacities, and athletics are a huge topic of conversation. 

I can see why you're upset, Jester. Had this been properly handled, your daughter would still be playing basketball, the kids who did try to play this year would have a season, and the school and athletic department would not have to suffer the humiliation of having to cancel it's most visible women's sport for an entire year.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 15, 2022, 12:09:26 PM
I knew this but was asked not to disclose to official . A ending that just didnt need to be. Engine the rumors you heard is what i have been told. The new AD came in and has pretty much destroyed the department alot of upset coaches.  A lot having exited remember how there was  never any comment on mens basketball coach leaving. Ran off the golf  coach who had the best program at Rose. I have heard football coaches are looking to leave amongst others.   I heard she wanted Prevo gone but instead of doing it straight up she used the players and pretext of mental health and numbers to cancel the season to force him out.   I was told today that there were 3 soccer players willing to come play and the administration said no.  The girls who had quit said they would play under a interim coach and she knew that and didn't care.  i wont get into the politics and wokeness of all this. All I know anyone who has run a business would have had this solved 10 months ago and they would be a game coming up Saturday. I appreciate book smarts as much as the next guy but a lot of people in academia are just clueless in real world business

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2022/12/15/womens-basketball-jon-prevo-retires-after-17-years-as-womens-basketball-head-coach-12-15-22.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2022, 01:06:24 PM
Sometimes I think schools look too much to outside figures to fill high positions. At Franklin the former president who had been there about 4 years got in criminal trouble at the start of 2020 so we needed an interim president and they went with Kerry Prather who was the long time WBB coach and then AD and has been with the school for decades. He was originally only supposed to be there for a short period while they looked for a new president but then they extended it to at least 2024 because he's doing a great job. I'd love for him to stick around as long as he wants.

Hiring from within the school means you have important figures who care about the school and community because they've invested so much already. They know the culture of the school and can take over without too much change. Picking someone who's experience is running a business on the other side of the country means they'll come in and try to run it like a business and forget to keep the students or faculty in mind.

RHIT is full of smart kids, hopefully those in charge can manage to use some smarts of their own to get things in order.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 24, 2022, 07:03:39 PM
Since we're at the holiday break, here's how the conference stands. Transy is holding up well back to #2 in the poll, and have a couple good games next week hosting Wisconsin Lutheran and Berea. Most of the conference is sitting around .500 for the season while Earlham is bringing up the rear.

Massey ranking, team, overall record, conference record

11 Transylvania        10-0 (4-0)
102 Hanover               6-4 (3-0)
139 Bluffton               6-3 (1-3)
183 Franklin               5-5 (2-1)
203 Anderson             5-5 (2-2)
233 Mount St. Joseph 3-5 (1-1)
243 Defiance              5-5 (0-3)
256 Manchester          5-4 (2-2)
336 Earlham               1-8 (0-2)

197 Rose-Hulman       2-3 (0-1)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 18, 2023, 11:11:37 PM
Big matchup between the top 2 in the conference tonight and Transylvania keeps on rolling beating Hanover 69-44. The #2 ranked Pioneers are now 17-0 and one of four remaining unbeatens.
Transylvania is 48-1 in their last 49 games dating back to Feb 2021.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 06, 2023, 09:28:09 PM
Transylvania just can't seem to get to #1.
Started at #2 behind Hope, then fell to 3rd after NYU moved ahead in week 1, then back to #2 when Hope lost in week 4, only to immediately get passed by Trinity (TX) in week 5, NYU fell in week 7 to get Transy once again back to #2, then week 10 Trinity loses but Chris Newport passes and they stay at #2. Pioneers do have over half the 1st place votes though.
So I expect that CNU will lose and Scranton will jump to #1 sometime soon.

Come on, just let them have one week at the top. :(


Going into this season, all the top 25 appearances
Transylvania: 49 weeks (2014-15, 18-19, 19-20, 21-22); highest 3rd
Franklin: 14 weeks (2011-12); highest 13th
Rose-Hulman: 3 weeks (2017-18); highest 20th
Bluffton: 3 weeks (2015-16); highest 21st
Defiance: 1 week (2000-01); highest 23rd
Hanover: 1 week (2010-11); highest 25th
Anderson: 0
Earlham: 0
Manchester: 0
Mount St Joseph: 0
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Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 18, 2023, 06:47:56 AM
Quarterfinal 1: #5 Bluffton @ #4 Anderson Feb 21 7:30 PM
Quarterfinal 2: #6 Manchester @ #3 Mt St Joseph Feb 21 7:30 PM

Semifinal 1: Winner of Q1 @ #1 Transylvania Feb 24 5 PM
Semifinal 2: Winner of Q2 vs. #2 Hanover in Lexington Feb 24 7 PM

Final: Winner of S1 vs. S2 Feb 25 6 PM in Lexington
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Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 24, 2023, 10:40:34 PM
Transylvania continues their run with an 82-55 win over Bluffton. Hanover defeated MSJ 72-52 to set up the title game.
Transy have won the two meetings this year 69-44 at home and 73-56 at Hanover.
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Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2023, 03:34:39 PM
Transylvania hosts Rhodes in the 1st round. Win that and they'll face the winner of Emory-Millikin
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Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2023, 10:03:01 PM
Transylvania wins their tournament opener over Rhodes 58-45. Pioneers led by 8 after the 1st and kept the lead comfortable the rest of the way.
Tomorrow they'll play Millikin who beat Emory 76-70 in the first game.
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Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2023, 09:36:44 PM
Transylvania led 36-24 at halftime but Millikin came back and tied it up at 46 after 3. Transylvania responded in the 4th and won 71-59. They'll face Ohio Northern in the Sweet 16.

There was an interesting moment late which the announcers brought up and I think is a good idea. There was an inadvertent whistle which stopped play and Millikin was able to make subs. Really, if there's an inadvertent whistle (meaning play shouldn't have been stopped) you shouldn't be allowed to make subs at that time. It shouldn't be considered a deadball situation.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 05, 2023, 03:55:06 PM
Transylvania will host this weekend. #14 Trine vs #6 NYU in the first game followed by #16 Ohio Northern vs #2 Transylvania
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 10, 2023, 11:36:32 PM
3 down, 3 to go. Transylvania cruises to a 67-43 win over Ohio Northern to reach 30 wins for the season.
Now for the matchup we've all waited for since the bracket was released... Transylvania vs NYU
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2023, 12:10:49 AM
https://heartlandconf.org/news/2023/3/6/general-hcac-announces-winter-2022-2023-commissioners-cup-standings.aspx (https://heartlandconf.org/news/2023/3/6/general-hcac-announces-winter-2022-2023-commissioners-cup-standings.aspx)

Women's Standings after the winter season (with 1st place sports)
1) Transylvania        - 53.65 (volleyball, tennis, basketball, field hockey [only 2 play])
2) Hanover               - 48.47 (soccer)
3) Rose-Hulman       - 42.30 (indoor T&F)
4) Anderson             - 40.83
5) Franklin               - 35.31 (swimming)
6) Manchester          - 34.14 (cross country)
7) Mount St. Joseph - 25.98
8) Bluffton               - 25.49
9) Earlham               - 19.66
10) Defiance             - 6.32

Spring sports include golf, softball, lacrosse, and outdoor track and field.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2023, 07:52:25 PM
A rematch of the Elite 8 in volleyball this year which NYU won 3 sets to 1, Transy dominated the 2nd quarter to lead by 13 at halftime, high scoring 3rd quarter and it's 58-47 with 10 minutes left. Let's go Pioneers.
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Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2023, 08:16:25 PM
FINAL FOUR!
Transylvania handled the press well, hit their FT and win 79-63.
They'll head to Hartford to play the winner of Smith-Trinity (CT)
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Post by: gordonmann on March 11, 2023, 11:04:43 PM
It's the Pioneers versus the Pioneers! Every broadcaster's nightmare.

Well, that or Trinity versus Trinity, I guess.

Congrats to Transylvania. They looked awesome from the parts of the game I watched tonight.

Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 14, 2023, 11:08:00 PM
All-Region  (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2022-23/region-8-women)announced

Coach of the Year: Juli Fulks, Transylvania

First Team
G   Lexi Dellinger   Anderson
G   Madison Kellione   Transylvania

Third Team
G   Kennedi Stacy   Transylvania
F   Dasia Thornton   Transylvania
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 15, 2023, 05:22:53 PM
My latest feature is up on D3hoops.com, highlighting Transylvania's run to the Final Four. Had a great conversation with Juli Fulks and Madison Kellione earlier in the week. Can't wait for the matchup against Smith!

https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2023/not-this-time-for-transylvania
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on March 18, 2023, 12:34:22 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on March 15, 2023, 05:22:53 PM
My latest feature is up on D3hoops.com, highlighting Transylvania's run to the Final Four. Had a great conversation with Juli Fulks and Madison Kellione earlier in the week. Can't wait for the matchup against Smith!

https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2023/not-this-time-for-transylvania

Will be interesting, indeed. Other than a loss to Thomas More in 2019 (after very controversially hosting the first weekend) this will be Transylvania's first NCAA Tournament game played somewhere other than their home floor - since the 2014-15 season. They are all-to-aware how weak the HCAC is - so their non-conference schedule every season is carefully calibrated to play teams that aren't good enough to beat them, but just good enough that it won't blatantly look like a schedule full of cream-puffs - and even in those instances they try every way in the world to host those games - usually via their two pre-Christmas tournaments. They rightfully feel invincible at home, and their coaching staff very much believes in the power of home games...and vice versa. I'll guarantee their staff is sweating bullets today, worried about how they'll shoot the ball in a gym they aren't used to and 100% comfortable in - because there might not be a women's team in NCAA Division 3 as reliant on the 3-pointer as Transylvania - but they ARE very good at it.

Having said that, Transylvania IS really good, and extremely well-coached. I would not be surprised to see them blow-out Smith, as I was definitely not impressed with what I saw of them last weekend. Maybe it wasn't a great sample, but it will require a really, really good defensive team to take down Transylvania, and Smith ain't  it.

The key to defeating Transylvania is to defend the living daylights out of them, don't give them easy looks, make them scratch and claw for everything. The over-looked key to their success is their ability to create 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th chances and extra possessions by out-working and out-hustling the other team for loose balls and rebounds - especially Stacy and Thornton. They remind me a great deal of the 2005-2013 DePauw teams in that regard. Just relentless.

A gritty, hard-nosed defensive team that doesn't turn the ball over against their press (that's really just designed to eat up the shot-clock), and won't allow them to run up and down the floor, chucking 3's and chasing offensive rebounds, is Transylvania's Kryptonite. If you don't believe me, go and watch last year's NCAA game vs. Trine, or any 2015-2022 game vs. Rose-Hulman (when they actually had athletes). I just don't know that there's anyone left in the field that can do that. The HCAC will probably see it's first basketball trophy this weekend.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 18, 2023, 01:43:28 PM
I'm not sure the HCAC has won a title in any team sport. Transylvania mens golf had back to back runnerups in 2012-13 but that's about all I know of. Hopefully we'll finally have one in two more games.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 18, 2023, 08:14:58 PM
Back and forth so far, Transy out to a 6-0 lead early, Smith came back and held the lead for a while, Transy went on a run to end the half and it's 38-31 at halftime. Finally started hitting 3s late, giving up too many offensive rebounds though. They've given up 9 offensive boards and are -5 overall. Smith has been two players offensively, Pickunka and Morrison have 29 of Smith's 31 points so far.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 18, 2023, 08:28:28 PM
Wow, Morrison had to sit several minutes in the 2nd quarter with 2 fouls, just picked up 2 quick ones in the 3rd and she's back on the bench. Chance for Transy to blow it open if they go on a run like the 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 18, 2023, 08:49:19 PM
Just 10 minutes away from a trip to the championship. 57-42 but Transy is struggling on the boards still. Thankfully Smith is 0 of 16 from three
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 18, 2023, 09:18:15 PM
They're headed back to Dallas. 76-65 final. We'll have an unbeaten champion.
While it was a neutral site on paper, the crowd was overwhelmingly Smith who were less than an hour away. Transy erases another question mark people had entering the tournament.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 19, 2023, 08:55:09 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 18, 2023, 09:18:15 PM
They're headed back to Dallas. 76-65 final. We'll have an unbeaten champion.
While it was a neutral site on paper, the crowd was overwhelmingly Smith who were less than an hour away. Transy erases another question mark people had entering the tournament.

They made me a believer last weekend. I thought NYU was going to run them over, but the thumping went the other way.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 20, 2023, 07:42:58 PM
Lexington, KY TV station on Transy women: https://mobile.twitter.com/AustinPollackTV/status/1637955790928506880
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on March 24, 2023, 09:34:11 AM
Big championship weekend.  Hope Transylvania brings it home and a great coach and team are rewarded.  a  very personal shout out to one of my players in her youth who will be playing for the D-2 title for Minnesota-Duluth.  Tatum Rhoades is a exceptional player who has also won state championships but a incredible person and one of the easiest players i ever got to coach.


On the Rose-Hulman front.  Crickets. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 27, 2023, 12:43:54 PM
All-Americans (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/2023)

Co-Coaches of the Year: Bill Broderick, Christopher Newport and Juli Fulks, Transylvania

2nd team AA: Madison Kellione - Transylvania - Sr.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 11:35:59 AM
We're nearing gametime. Good luck ladies and bring home the walnut and bronze.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 12:28:43 PM
Rough start, just 1 of 7 from three. Were down by as much as 9, they've clawed it back to a 15-12 deficit after the 1st. Need to take their time a little more
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 12:53:15 PM
Start of the 2nd was solid, started rushing a bit toward the latter part of the quarter. Low scoring quarter and it's 23-21 at halftime. The defense has really been a force, they have 12 steals so far.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 01:31:29 PM
A 13-0 run pushed the lead to double digits but some turnovers and CNU got back within 4. It's 39-32 with just 10 minutes to a title. Just need to take their time and control the tempo. Kennedi Stacy has 10 rebounds, 7 steals, 6 points. But she's 2 of 13 shooting.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 01:43:01 PM
Refs haven't been egregious, but I'd say CNU has gotten a couple calls more than Transy. It's 47-43 with 4:13 left. Been more physical in the 2nd half
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 01:59:48 PM
35.3 left... 51-49 Transylvania leads and CNU ball. However this finishes, it's been a heck of a game.
15.5 and Pioneers have the ball. 13.4 Kellione to the line and hits both FT. 53-49
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 02:03:42 PM
CNU tried to force a 3 up, Stacy stole it as it went up, hits both FT.
CNU banks a wild 3 with 2 seconds left to cut it to 55-52. Foul with 0.4 left and Ball hits both. 57-52 final

TRANSYLVANIA ARE CHAMPIONS
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 02:20:28 PM
Some final stats,
Stacy finished with 11 rebounds, 8 steals, 8 points
Thornton with a double double of 13 points 10 rebounds
Kellione leading scorer with 17 to go with 7 rebounds (6 offensive), 3 steals and 2 assists

The team finished with 17 steals, +4 on TO, -2 Reb, +6 OReb, and most importantly, +5 points.
Neither team shot well, CNU 22-61 (5-16 from 3) while Transy was 20-66 (6-28).
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on April 01, 2023, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 02:20:28 PM
Some final stats,
Stacy finished with 11 rebounds, 8 steals, 8 points
Thornton with a double double of 13 points 10 rebounds
Kellione leading scorer with 17 to go with 7 rebounds (6 offensive), 3 steals and 2 assists

The team finished with 17 steals, +4 on TO, -2 Reb, +6 OReb, and most importantly, +5 points.
Neither team shot well, CNU 22-61 (5-16 from 3) while Transy was 20-66 (6-28).

Fantastic win for Transy! Great atmosphere too. Wish they were able to do this more! Here's my game story from Dallas: https://d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2023/transylvania-takes-title
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 02, 2023, 09:47:22 AM
Congrats to Transy and the HCAC for winning the conference's first ever national championship!  I was rather hoping another TU would pull this off but if someone else had to win it I'm happy for the Pios and their fans.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on April 05, 2023, 01:26:21 PM
Got some news from Rose-Hulman. Isn't much, but we know...

1) Non-conference schedule is finalized. They are hosting the Midwest Challenge this year

2) Head coaching search is currently underway (mostly knew that already)

3) Several newcomers are pledged to come to RHIT in the fall, which will boost roster numbers.

Generally a good report out of Terre Haute.

https://d3wbbscoop.substack.com/p/april-5-2023-looking-at-the-final
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on May 26, 2023, 10:53:29 AM
We'll see how good things are in Terre Haute. I'm afraid the women's basketball program at RHIT has been dealt a "Death Penalty" every bit as destructive and program-killing as anything the NCAA enforcement folks could perpetrate - and it is 100% self-inflicted.

Suffice to say, the school's WBB program would appear to be in a heap of trouble. From former classmates who still live in the area and are either still plugged-in or know someone who is,  I heard four to six finalists all either turned the job down outright or couldn't wait for the extraordinarily lengthy process to finally play out and had to move on and accept other jobs. That might not be exactly how things happened, but RHIT is one of the very few schools that listed a women's basketball head coaching job so far this spring, that has not filled that position. Perhaps the only school not to have filled a posted position within 30-45 days. I heard that the Men's BB hiring process last summer was a complete debacle as well - at least they managed to find a good coach at the end. I fear that won't be the case with WBB. Why the pessimism, you ask? You need look no further than the last time a basketball position at RHIT was open. Coach Loyd left for DePauw at the very end of April last year. His successor was named almost exactly 8 weeks later - which means the job had been offered and accepted at least 10-14 days prior to the announcement on August 1st. Why in the world was the men's basketball position filled in 6 weeks but the women's position has now dragged-out for six months? Why would the DePauw job be so much more desirable than the RHIT job. What isn't RHIT doing or offering that is making it difficult to retain outstanding coaches and now, apparently, difficult to find them as well?
It's a bit shocking that this job was not filled the first time around. Why? Is it the pay? Is it the location? Is STEM seen as too much of a challenge? Are potential coaches scared away by the Herculean rebuilding effort left in the wake of the past 6 months.

For the love of God, aren't there any assistants from the UAA (Carnegie Mellon, Case, Chicago, etc), the NESCAC, MIT, CalTech, Stevens, Rensselaer, Hamilton, Worcester, Rochester Tech...that want to move-up? You know, RHIT had one hell of a program as recently as 2018-19. I don't get it. What's wrong that nobody (qualified) wants that job?

RHIT is extraordinarily blessed to have a great athletic department full of coaches that understand the very delicate balancing act of academics and athletics at the institute. Is it a mere coincidence that the institute plucked the perfect candidate for its football program a decade ago? He wasn't just just any candidate, mind you, he had a lot of experience in the high-academic realm at Chicago. Look what he's accomplished since. Same with basketball - the most recent former coach that was allowed to leave played (I believe) at Chicago himself. That department has been the model of stability and achievement over the past decade plus. My greatest concern is that they wind up having to settle on someone with only scholarship (NAIA, D-2, D1) experience and no inkling what a crazy-difficult, nuanced place RHIT IS, and it could set the program back another 5 years beyond its current predicament - which might as well be forever. Perhaps they will be prescient enough and fortunate enough to find someone who can learn and adapt. I hope so.

I hope my fears are misplaced.  I've taken pride in and followed RHIT athletics since Coach Touchton called my house for the very first time in 1978, wanting to talk about some school (with a hyphenated name) I'd never even heard of - and I'm really confounded. As someone who attended the institute when it was male-only, and as the father of girls, I always had a soft spot for the women's sports at Rose, particularly basketball. I'm just having a hard time imagining how long it's going to take to rebuild after all this uncertainty around the program after literally more than  half a year with nobody at the helm.

Perhaps finding and hiring Division III basketball coaches is much more difficult than I think it is, and I'm being too harsh. The RHIT job should be desirable and should have had a multitude of quality candidates. If there weren't, why? If there were, why isn't one in place already? Perhaps I'm just blinded by my fandom, and a coaching job at RHIT sadly does not reflect the same prestige as the school's academics, as the coaching jobs at UAA schools do. Perhaps the coaching search at RHIT really shouldn't be any different from that at Adrián, or Albion, or Defiance, or Anderson. Maybe RHIT isn't special and any moderately-talented coach can be successful. Perhaps a coach with high-academic experience is t even necessary. Perhaps I'm just being (unfairly) unrealistic. When I ask myself those questions, however, I'm still left with the realization that these issues should have made it much easier to find a coach, not more difficult - which suggests the job should have been filled long-ago.

Of course congrats to Transy on their first national title. There just wasn't anyone out there this year that could defend what they do. Perfect example of a coach implementing a fantastic system and finding the perfect kids to run it. If Coach Fulks doesn't move up to Division I soon, it'll only be because she doesn't want to. I'll be intrigued, as always, to see how many non-conference road games they schedule next year after having lost so many great players to graduation. It would not shock me to see them win 20+ games and return to the NCAA Tournament - because I'm sure they replaced the departing kids with the same level of talent.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on May 30, 2023, 03:39:33 PM
Hi Engine

I just returned from Rose and my daughters graduation.   I was told as you said. 4 people have been offered and turned down the job.  The remaining player's are concerned that there wont be enough players for next season.  As i stood in the gym beaming with pride as my daughter graduated and gratefull to the academic part of Rose that hasd secured her a six figure job I am still filled with rage and disgust knowing the inside problems that go back to the championship days and knowing the athletic director was well aware and chose to do nothing.   I know Coach Prevo personally and like him I even recruited for him but there were problems with his approach to players that gos farther back then just my daughters class that i was not aware of. 

The group who quit have been called  program killers.  What a farce. They were a group of very smart women who said enough is enough and drew a line in the sand   Make no mistake the program finds itself where it is because of Tweedy and President Coons.   
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 30, 2023, 10:32:17 PM
Congrats on the graduation. While disappointing I'm sure to not have that final hurrah as a player, I'm sure she's off to do bigger and better things. Good luck to Kahlan in her future endeavors. :)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 01, 2023, 05:24:31 PM
https://heartlandconf.org/news/2023/6/1/general-hcac-welcomes-berea-college-as-its-newest-member.aspx
Berea College, which is about 40 miles south of Transylvania, becomes the 11th school in the HCAC starting 2024-25.

Also, Madison Kellione becomes the first to win back to back HCAC Women's Athlete of the Year (https://heartlandconf.org/news/2023/5/30/general-kellione-named-2022-23-hcac-athlete-of-the-year.aspx)
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 01, 2023, 05:39:20 PM
Rose-Hulman narrowly beat Transylvania for the Commissioner's Cup (https://heartlandconf.org/news/2023/5/15/general-rose-hulman-wins-2022-23-hcac-commissioners-cup.aspx) 140.16 to 140 becoming the first non-Hanover school to win since Rose in 2017-18. Hanover, Franklin, and Anderson rounded out the top 5.

Transylvania won the women's crown with 79.66 easily beating Hanover (69.67), Rose-Hulman (59.66), and Franklin (56).


Personally, I'd add 10 bonus points to Transy for a national title
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on June 04, 2023, 06:17:56 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on May 30, 2023, 03:39:33 PM
Hi Engine

I just returned from Rose and my daughters graduation.   I was told as you said. 4 people have been offered and turned down the job.  The remaining player's are concerned that there wont be enough players for next season.  As i stood in the gym beaming with pride as my daughter graduated and gratefull to the academic part of Rose that hasd secured her a six figure job I am still filled with rage and disgust knowing the inside problems that go back to the championship days and knowing the athletic director was well aware and chose to do nothing.   I know Coach Prevo personally and like him I even recruited for him but there were problems with his approach to players that gos farther back then just my daughters class that i was not aware of. 

The group who quit have been called  program killers.  What a farce. They were a group of very smart women who said enough is enough and drew a line in the sand   Make no mistake the program finds itself where it is because of Tweedy and President Coons.

If that is indeed true, what you heard, Jester, that ain't good. Any idea why the job is so undesirable?

Common sense tells me that any impressive applicants haven't wanted the job so far, leaving what kind of candidates at this point? I'm unsure if I've ever heard of a job search where every single finalist, in their turn, declined it. That's a bit unseemly. If indeed that is the case - for the love of God, why?

This isn't a run of the mill typical Division III liberal arts college - this is the #1 ranked engineering college in the United States. They've recently won three HCAC titles, were a single possession away from advancing in two consecutive NCAA tournaments, defeated at least a dozen ranked teams (including #7 and #13) since 2012, and were a defensive statistical juggernaut - completing two consecutive seasons (2017 and 2018 I believe) as the #3 scoring defense team in all of D-III. RHIT's facilities are in the top-10% of D-III schools nationwide, and they have a permanent spot in the single most prestigious D-III women's basketball event other than the NCAA Tournament, the Midwest Classic with IL. Wesleyan, DePauw, and WashU - and advanced to the championship game as recently as November 2021. Other than Trine, RHIT is the only school that has even come close to defeating Transy since the pandemic  - look up the two 2021-22 games if you don't believe me.

This isn't a program with no hope of even being any good. It has a bloodline. It has a pedigree. It's not a stepping-stone job. With the cost of living in Terre Haute, it should be the kind of place a great coach could come in and build a powerhouse program and stay for 20 years, racking up wins.

I don't get it. I don't understand why this isn't a desirable job. There are better jobs out there, for sure, but the RHIT job ought to at least be in the top half of D-III jobs, at a bare minimum. RHIT shouldn't be having to settle on whomever will take the job. This is a job that should be going to someone with high-academic Division III, or comparable Division I experience (the Bucknells, Colgates, and service academies) and a thorough knowledge of and appreciation for NCAA Division III - or at least the atmosphere at great academic schools.

I'd still like to know why the men's search last year took all of six weeks, while the women's search is now in it's seventh month?

Perhaps my apprehensions will be proven misplaced, and the new AD will hit it out of the park with this hire. Fingers crossed.

Congratulations on your daughter's graduation. Wish her success and happiness!
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on June 11, 2023, 01:41:29 PM
RHIT should be announcing the new WBB head coach soon, hopefully. Fingers crossed and we'll see if the AD has figured out that the following, at a minimum, are required of Rose-Hulman coaches.

This isn't difficult.
- Don't hire a kid who was a GA last year. The last thing the program needs is someone who's barely older than the players they are coaching. Only desperate liberal arts schools do that.

- Hire someone who knows what it's like to recruit and coach high-achieving Type-A personalities who often are perfectionists and occasionally need to be talked down off a ledge (just like myself and both daughters and every teammate they ever had at RHIT) after they've just bombed a test an hour before practice or a home game. Someone who's been at a high-academic school before as a player or coach.

- Hire someone who's been around Women's basketball and understands the differences between coaching the different genders.

- Hire somebody who has experience/understanding of NCAA Division III and wants to specifically be in Division III - and who isn't applying simply because they need a job. The very last thing this program needs is someone who  will move on from RHIT the minute something they perceive as "better" at a higher division comes along.

The young ladies deserve those things at a minimum. Hopefully that's what the AD has figured out over the past 7 months that this job has been empty.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on June 26, 2023, 10:35:26 AM
Engine sometime today the new head coach will be announced my daughter told me . He is a guy who was out of basketball for 6 years before coming back last year  the entire staff was let go after the end of the season after going 9-21 .

DEVRINN PAUL
Paul spent three years at Marshall University from 2013-16 as an assistant coach and recruiting specialist before moving into consulting for the last six years.

Prior to Marshall, Paul was at the University of Louisville for three years as the video coordinator for the women's basketball team. Prior to being named video coordinator, he was a graduate assistant for the Cardinal women's basketball team for two years and graduated with his master's (higher education in human resources) in 2010.

At Louisville, Paul was part of the first Cardinal women's basketball program to make it to the NCAA Final Four (2009). During his time at Louisville, the Cards made four NCAA Tournament appearances and advanced to the national championship game twice. Louisville advanced to the NCAA final, losing to Connecticut. Along the way to the title game, the No. 5 seed Cards defeated the No. 1 seed Baylor, and in doing so were nominated for "Best Upset" at the 2013 ESPYs.

Paul's duties as video coordinator included preparing scouting reports, producing highlight videos and game film, helping with recruiting videos and developing game plans alongside the coaching staff.

Prior to Louisville, Paul attended Kentucky State University in Frankfort, Ky., where he worked as the student manager for the men's basketball team. He graduated with his bachelor's in business marketing with a minor in journalism in 2008.

A Hempstead, N.Y., native, Paul moved to Louisville at age 11 and attended Waggener High School, where he played varsity basketball and football. He received a Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Educational Foundation scholarship award in 2003 for football, and was first team all-district in 2002 and 2003.


Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on June 26, 2023, 01:49:49 PM
I wish Coach Paul the best and want to see him succeed. Hopefully he'll be able to get the numbers back up and return the program to some level of competitiveness.

Having said that, think about this for a moment if you will.

- He spent a single season, this past season, as the entry-level assistant at Cincinnati. Prior to that, he'd been completely out of college basketball for SIX seasons. Completely out of college basketball. Ask yourself this question - would the AD's at U. Of Chicago, UT-Dallas, DePauw, IL. Wesleyan, or Transy (all programs that RHIT has defeated within the past 5 years) hire someone who hadn't coached basketball at any level since 2016?

- He's never worked at, coached at, or recruited athletes to a high-academic institution.

- He's never coached in, and has no experience in Division III.

I hope it becomes a non-issue because  the new coach hits it out of the park and has great success - but it's a really, really unconventional hire.

Disagree with me about it being a strange hire? Why is RHIT's new baseball coach from WashU? Why is RHIT's football coach from U. Of Chicago? The new men's BB Coach doesn't have high-academic experience - but he DOES have Division III experience. A lot of it. A lot of success in Division III before coming to RHIT. Even the AD herself had the requisite Division III experience at both high-academic (Pomona-Pitzer) schools as well as good schools where they care about their athletics (Wabash). My question is this - Why does all that caution about having the right individual with the right experience leading a program at VERY unique and high-academic school - suddenly go out the window? Why is it suddenly ok to NOT have high-academic experience, to NOT have Division III experience, and, unlike the aforementioned coaches, who were all extremely high-functioning and successful assistant coaches at glittering D-III programs, an actual recent record of success coaching a team on the court - to say nothing of actually BEING on a court for the last several years.

With all due respect, and charitably, it is a strange hire.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 26, 2023, 04:38:27 PM
Strange hire, indeed.  Totally perplexed at what the AD at RHIT was thinking (if the hire wasn't dictated by someone in administration which given the general cluelessness shown may be the case).  Good luck to all involved.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 26, 2023, 04:56:41 PM
On another note, RHIT has their 2023-4 roster (https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/sports/wbball/roster) up; 10 young women, including four newcomers.  It appears that everyone who could return did. 
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on June 26, 2023, 06:03:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 26, 2023, 04:38:27 PM
Strange hire, indeed.  Totally perplexed at what the AD at RHIT was thinking (if the hire wasn't dictated by someone in administration which given the general cluelessness shown may be the case).  Good luck to all involved.

Common sense would infer that one of two things happened here:

#1 - The search was botched because the AD has no clue how to run a candidate search at a high-academic D-III institution - to say nothing of the very different academics and demographics found at a unique school like RHIT. She's been there long enough now (18 months) that she should have some clue what she's doing. It's pretty simple. Go out there and try to find someone who's preferably coached women's basketball at the Division III level - has coached at a reasonably high academic school - and has a proven track-record of recruiting high-academic kids - or at a minimum has spent some small amount of time doing it.

#2 - It occurred to me that they might never have had any decent candidates to begin with. For whatever reason. Location? Poor pay? Poor benefits? Could it be that there's been a lot of negative talk out on the grapevine among the coaching fraternity and RHIT is now known as a place to avoid?

The more I think about this, the more bizarre this looks. There are some aspects of this that are very much open to interpretation - beginning with the fact that this "search" officially began two months ago after the position had been vacant for six months prior to that. It took TWO months for this AD to find a coach who's never coached at or recruited at a high-academic school or at the D-III level. Not only that, it took two months to find a coach who's been off the sidelines for most of the last decade.
Why was great care taken to find D-III-experienced, high-academic-experienced coaches for the other high profile programs at RHIT, but the WBB job is open to whomever will take it?

I think it's a fair question, and I'm not suggesting that experience at a high-academic school is a guarantor of future success - but for God's sake, don't you need to have some parameters for your search?

It just looks like nobody really wanted the job. Why?
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on June 26, 2023, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 26, 2023, 04:56:41 PM
On another note, RHIT has their 2023-4 roster (https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/sports/wbball/roster) up; 10 young women, including four newcomers.  It appears that everyone who could return did.

I believe the 6'2 girl is a nice player - undoubtedly recruited by the previous staff and decided to enroll at RHIT anyway. He'll start with a cupboard that's not completely bare - with an All-conference performer in Baum, a Freshman of the Year candidate in Roland, and nice role-players in Miller and Gallegos-Rodriguez. I think there's enough talent there that Prevo would have won at least 10-11 games with this group - we'll see what happens. What he won't have, unfortunately, will be a single soul who can handle the ball in the backcourt, other than Baum. We will find out soon enough if he can coach. It'll take a couple years to find out if he can recruit.

What WILL be interesting will be the direction of the program if there are any injuries? The standard has already been laid down and if two kids go down (if Randolph remains sidelined they only have 9 players) and they have only seven players at any point in the season, they won't be able to play. Per the AD's decision last year, it will be too hard on the kids mentally - so she won't dare allow them to play with only 7 kids next year.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on July 03, 2023, 12:34:06 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on June 26, 2023, 10:35:26 AM
Engine sometime today the new head coach will be announced my daughter told me . He is a guy who was out of basketball for 6 years before coming back last year  the entire staff was let go after the end of the season after going 9-21 .

DEVRINN PAUL
Paul spent three years at Marshall University from 2013-16 as an assistant coach and recruiting specialist before moving into consulting for the last six years.

Prior to Marshall, Paul was at the University of Louisville for three years as the video coordinator for the women's basketball team. Prior to being named video coordinator, he was a graduate assistant for the Cardinal women's basketball team for two years and graduated with his master's (higher education in human resources) in 2010.

At Louisville, Paul was part of the first Cardinal women's basketball program to make it to the NCAA Final Four (2009). During his time at Louisville, the Cards made four NCAA Tournament appearances and advanced to the national championship game twice. Louisville advanced to the NCAA final, losing to Connecticut. Along the way to the title game, the No. 5 seed Cards defeated the No. 1 seed Baylor, and in doing so were nominated for "Best Upset" at the 2013 ESPYs.

Paul's duties as video coordinator included preparing scouting reports, producing highlight videos and game film, helping with recruiting videos and developing game plans alongside the coaching staff.

Prior to Louisville, Paul attended Kentucky State University in Frankfort, Ky., where he worked as the student manager for the men's basketball team. He graduated with his bachelor's in business marketing with a minor in journalism in 2008.

A Hempstead, N.Y., native, Paul moved to Louisville at age 11 and attended Waggener High School, where he played varsity basketball and football. He received a Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Educational Foundation scholarship award in 2003 for football, and was first team all-district in 2002 and 2003.



Jester - are you aware of any goings-on in the athletic department at RHIT? My sources still around town have reported things over the past year or so but they've all culminated for me with this recent hire. With SO many talented, hard-charging, and accomplished assistants and former head coaches out there, the very fact that this arrogant and stupefying decision was made at all is all the proof an observer would need to understand that something is really, really wrong in Terre Haute.

I probably shouldn't be surprised based on a few things I'VE heard, but just wondering if I'm the only one hearing them.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on July 05, 2023, 12:47:44 AM
Hi Engine

i am aware of  many things none good.  I will send you privately emails i sent and responses i got. Would love to post on here but discretion  better serves my daughter. The school knew she was right. All the players who left said they would come back with a change and even when they cancelled the season the girls said they would still come back with a change so their former teammates wouldnt lose a season instead of cancelling it and the AD didnt even respond.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on July 10, 2023, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on July 05, 2023, 12:47:44 AM
Hi Engine

i am aware of  many things none good.  I will send you privately emails i sent and responses i got. Would love to post on here but discretion  better serves my daughter. The school knew she was right. All the players who left said they would come back with a change and even when they cancelled the season the girls said they would still come back with a change so their former teammates wouldnt lose a season instead of cancelling it and the AD didnt even respond.

Well...that's because she needed cause to fire him. Having to cancel the season lent some weight to her decision to get rid of the coach. Why in God's name she didn't just ease him out with some dignity at the end of the 2021-22 campaign and get all those kids back when she had a chance, I guess we'll never know. Indiana is, after all, an at-will employment state and as I understand it, all RHIT coaches work on one-year contracts that are rolled-over every summer. At any rate, a dignified exit for one of the most successful and longest-tenured coaches in the department would also have probably served to help get a better pool of candidates last summer before word got out what a dysfunctional place RHIT has become. That is assuming, of course, that the AD desired a large pool of highly-qualified WBB candidates to choose from - which I'm not so sure about anymore.

The coaching search for the new women's basketball coach at RHIT was incompetently conceived, incompetently led, and, if some of the shenanigans I've heard are to be believed, sketchy.

Having said all that, I'd never in a million years wish for someone to fail. The new coach is, I'm sure, a gentleman, a good family man, and, hopefully a good coach as well. Regardless how the position came to him, he's gotten a shot, and I hope he makes the most of it and lifts up the program. Good luck, Coach Paul.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 25, 2023, 11:50:55 PM
Coaches Poll (https://heartlandconf.org/news/2023/10/20/transylvania-university-voted-to-bring-home-hcac-2023-24-womens-basketball-title.aspx) is out. We've had a few announcements during the offseason with Defiance heading to NAIA and Berea joining the conference after this season.

1.   Transylvania (9)   81
2.   Hanover (1)          71
3.   Mount St. Joseph  65
4.   Bluffton                50
5.   Anderson              46
5.   Franklin                46
7.   Manchester           36
8.   Rose-Hulman        26
9.   Earlham                16
10.   Defiance              13
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on October 30, 2023, 04:10:00 PM
Engine

so some information from what my daughter has heard.   The girls are having fun and enjoying basketball again.  The new coach has made a great first impression with the players.   Ashley Black came back and Manuella who had d-1 offers but quit right  away under former coach is also back and I heard that Reese could be a legit star as a big and anytime Baum walks on the court she is an assissan.  I think they will be better then 3rd to last in conferences but even with 14 players the depth is not there.   I think they will be a defensive liability but i think you will see the offense open up.

I know players were told they  would be benched if she shot a three if there was more then 20 seconds on the shot clock even if they were wide open he wanted everything pounded low. Wish the e kid could have played her senior season under a coach that would let them go and not worry if they missed a shot.

Look forward to watching the girls and hopefully they are just not a bridge to the eventual remaking of the program and have some juice this season.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 09, 2023, 05:15:02 AM
Well Engine

at least they have really nice shooting shirts.  I always feel for players who have to be a bridge for a program but not sure if this will be a bridge to nowhere  like the one in Alaska.   The Ad might have destroyed the program for the next 4 years. @ bad teams to come out in California if they lose to cal tech not sure who they will beat this year
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 13, 2023, 12:29:23 PM
https://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/burglars-steal-anderson-university-womens-basketball-team-jerseys-electronics/

The Anderson women had their van broken into while in St Louis for the Webster tournament over the weekend losing their bags and equipment. They had to borrow Webster jerseys for their game against the Gorloks.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 27, 2023, 03:52:30 PM
Engine  dont know if you made it to the gym this weekend but i was verry happy for the girls. They played tough and they have some talent. I dont know if they will win alot of games but they looked to be having fun.  It must be refreshing for the upper classmen perimeter players to be given the ok to shoot the ball and your not pulled if you miss a three early in a shot clock. sometime your most open shot comes then.

My daughter watched and  I asked her do you have any regrets with you and the other players blowing up the program at such a high price to yourselves in not getting any senior moments or memories,  She told me No.

She has friend's still on the team and they have told her and this is to the new coaches credit how much fun they are having again. When i get moments of self pity about my daughter not playing that last season. I take solace in her words and attitude. Dad its new era for Rose my time is done and im ok  with how it ended for me as long as it brought the change that needed to happen.

Rose is a dilemma for me when i watch. The petty angry part of me hopes they get destroyed but then I remember how exceptional these young women are to go through the grind they do and then on top somehow make time for basketball.   I see how the school got my daughter ready to crush in the real world both financially and her succeed as a new engineer.


So lets go Rose basketball i hope it will always be something you look forward too and  in getting your mind off your studies and huge amount of pressure your under and something you shouldn't dread having to go too.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Enginerd on December 03, 2023, 01:01:08 PM
Glad to hear the girls are having fun again. They really ought to win a minimum of 16 games this season with the amount of talent that the former coach was able to recruit - Hard to believe that he was that good a recruiter if he was such a lousy coach. They've got 3 kids that had multiple Division I offers as well as Reese who was a solid, solid HS PG. Add seasoned veteran Black and the heady Gallegos (whose sister is on the Mexican women's national team) and you have a hell of a group of kids that were assembled well before the new staff arrived - but to their credit they've managed to keep them all together. I'm sure the new staff were made very well aware that, if they didn't accomplish anything else this year, they weren't to run anyone off! Looks like there is a couple of capable female assistant coaches as well - which is something that was always lacking in the past, for sure. This has worked out reasonably well so far - despite the coaching search devolving from a handshake agreement last winter - to literally the flip of a coin in July. The true test will be recruiting. Since Division III and/or high academic experience held no consideration in the "search process", we'll see what they are able to bring in next year on their own.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2024, 03:31:42 AM
HCAC Tournament

#1 Transylvania (25-0, 18-0)

#4 Franklin (16-9, 11-7)
#5 Rose-Hulman (12-13, 9-9)


#3 Mount St Joseph (20-5, 14-4)
#6 Anderson (12-13, 8-10)

#2 Hanover (18-7, 16-2)

MSJ won 83-61 while Franklin won 73-69 scoring the last 5 points in the final minute. Semis are Friday at Transylvania.


The Pioneers are currently on a 58 game winning streak which is T6th longest in D3 WBB history, T10th in all womens basketball, and T13th all college basketball.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 22, 2024, 05:32:44 PM
Had the chance to see Franklin and Transy face off in Lexington last Tuesday in the regular season. Jessica Darmelio is really leading the Franklin program well...3rd time in the last decade that Franklin has won 17 games in a season. Big-time improvement from last year.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 05, 2024, 05:18:14 AM
Transylvania have now won 62 in a row and 93 of their last 94 dating back to Feb 2021.

QuoteThe win is the 62nd straight for Transylvania, who now holds the third longest win streak in NCAA DIII women's basketball history, the seventh longest in all divisions for women's basketball, and the eighth longest win streak in all of college basketball history.

If they reach the Final Four, coach Juli Fulks will reach 400 wins
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 08, 2024, 07:53:18 PM
Stout put up a heck of a fight, leading by 6 at halftime and tied with under 2 1/2 minutes left but Transylvania was able to close it out in the final minutes 63-58. Most points they've given up since Eau Claire scored 59 on 12/30. Last game decided by single digits was a 6 point win over Wisconsin Lutheran on 11/26.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 09, 2024, 11:21:29 PM
The streak continues :) 
Transylvania beat their second WIAC school in 2 nights after a 62-48 over Whitewater. Coach Fulks got her 400th career win.
Next stop, the Final Four at Capital against #1 NYU. It will be the 8th time #1 vs #2 meet in the tournament but first in the semifinals (2x Sweet 16, 4x Elite 8, 1x championship). The 1 seed is 5-2 in those matchups but Transylvania has one of the wins for the 2 seed from last years title game. It will be a repeat of last year's Elite 8 matchup which the Pioneers won 79-63 at home.
Title: Re: WBB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 15, 2024, 02:49:23 AM
QuoteAfter going 733 days without a loss, which included 64 wins, three Elite Eights, two Final Fours, and one National Championship, the Pioneers suffered a heartbreaking loss to New York University in the 2024 NCAA DIII Final Four, 42-57.
A rough 2nd quarter where Transy was outscored 18-5 was the deciding factor. The other three quarters were all close with NYU winning the 1st and 4th by 2 and the Pioneers winning the 3rd by 2.
NYU was a perfect 16-16 from the line while Transy was just 7-14.
Dasia Thornton grabbed her 1000th rebound to become the 2nd Pioneer to have 1k career points and rebounds