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Title: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 05:06:06 am
This is the new home of MIAA discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 17, 2005, 08:22:37 pm
 ;D Thanks Pat.  This may take awhile to get used to the new format, although I'm sure eventually everyone will get the "hang of it".

Not much to report as yet.  Albion started practice last week as they have a game on Labor Day weekend as you know.  Hope reported today; I'm sure some of our fellow MIAA posters will give us the news on the other teams.  I'll probably have some comments on Hope later next week when I've had a chance to see some prelims at practice.  In the meantime, best to you and all our fellow posters.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 18, 2005, 10:11:01 am
I read on another discussion board (mlive) that someone was reporting that Olivet had 60 freshman show up for football.  How does that number relate to the other schools?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on August 23, 2005, 01:58:21 pm
formerd3db:

Things are awfully quiet, especially with Albion opening up Labor Day week-end.  What's going on in the MIAA?  The L'il Giants open again against K-College, this year in Crawfordsville.  What do you think their coaching change will do for them?  Always enjoy your insights...good luck to the Hope program in '05. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 25, 2005, 05:07:24 pm
BashDad:
Good to hear from you and thanks for the kind comments.  Likewise, I enjoy your take on the various aspects.  Yes, I was thinking the same thing about it being quiet ???, although I'm sure the posting activity will increase soon.

Hope's final annual pre-first game scrimmage is not until next weekend Sept 3rd so I'll be able to tell you better then (they still only do an intrasquad one unlike some of the other schools that do the inter-collegiate scrimmages).  Albion has a ton of people out too (just like Hope); they are expecting big things (so is Adrian).  It will be interesting to see how they do against Butler.  As you know, Butler has not been that good as a IAA non-scholarship team of recent years, although I suspect they may be better this year.  Realistically, if they played like some of the better IAA non-sch teams, they should beat Albion handily.

K-zoo's new coach, from what I have heard (from a prof there), is well-liked and they have an optimistic attitude.  After the down year last season, however, it may be hard for them to turn it around that much.  I suspect that your LG's will not have any problem against the Hornets, especially since it is down at your place.  Nonetheless, it should be a great atmosphere down there for the opening game - always great to have a beautiful sunny Sept game opener.  The other MIAA teams - your guess is as good as mine!  Olivet is a wildcard as the others have noted.

We (Hope) open at John Carroll in Cleveland on Sept. 10.  Good luck to your Wabash and we'll keep in touch on the boards.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: zoofan on August 26, 2005, 09:26:28 pm
I don't have a good feeling about the new HC at Kzoo.  He seems to be saying all the right things, but I don't know if he has a grasp on what it takes 1. Being a HC and 2. Being in Kalamazoo "system" of academics.  Who knows, but I'm not sure a powerlifter is the answer there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 28, 2005, 07:45:20 pm
zoofan:
Obviously, everyone has an initial impression which is natural and, of course, a right to one's opinion.  However, I might suggest, if I may, that it is way too early to make a judgement on what you comment on.  Give the man a chance :)!  This is his first head coaching position and everyone has to start somewhere.  I can't imagine that the K administration would be duped into picking someone who might just say the right things at the interviews, not impossible, but I would be quite surprised.  Anyway, after the first season, I would think that a better assessment could then be made.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: msmith0076 on August 31, 2005, 11:32:10 am
I'm reading all of this and see no mention of Alma...aren't they the preseason favorite.  As an Alma grad with a brother that played at Adrian and another brother that plays at Albion I will go ahead and say Scots again.
Albion will drop one to either Olivet or Adrian, as they have consistently been doing in recent years.  K again is not a conteneder.  Olivet will lose a couple that they probably shouldn't.  Adrian will lose to K and Alma down the stretch.  And Hope goes down to Albion.  Nov. 5 will decide the conference and playoffs (Alma v Albion)  WLU and TriState are not to be considereed in legitimate championship selection.
GO SCOTS
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on August 31, 2005, 11:34:28 am
Hornets

Just learned that the K-zoo cancelled its scrimmage with St. Frances.  What gives?

My info on the 2005 Hornets is as follows:  60 on team of which 26 are Frosh .  14 returners are labeled as starters.  3 QBs in competition for start ... lead goes to last year's QB.  Coach claims a running "West Coast Offense" (? what is that?).  Little info beyond that.

The game against the Little Giants is at our house.  Not a good place to visit.  I suspect it will be feeding time at the Zoo.  However, you guys are always good people to visit and play against.  If any of you plan to come down for the game ... Wabash has a "Community Day" that day ... which has as one of the events (in addition to no cost to attend the gamer) a pic nic on the center quad ... which is open to all at no charge.  You should plan to come take advantage of that.  I am sure 'Bash would be pleased to have you all partake ... we do plan to beat you but you are good people and welcome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on August 31, 2005, 03:40:05 pm
wabco:

Kzoo seems under the gun. Still, hopefully, Wabash will remember that a "cooped-up" and desperate animal can be dangerous.  K-College will leave it on the field.  We will need to be ready for them under a new coach, particularly with no film to show what they are now.  Creighton will have the L'il Giants ready.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 31, 2005, 09:59:11 pm
Obviously, anything can happen.  However, I have a slightly different prediction.  Hope always has a difficult time down at Albion, however, it will not be impossible for them to win down there.  They almost did two years ago, except for that missed offensive interference call in the endzone (although Hope did not deserve to win that game after blowing the huge lead).  Secondly, Alma plays @ Hope and it will be difficult for them to win there.  Olivet will be a spoiler and Adrian, while they should be good can be kind of a wildcard at times.  They have to play @ Hope also.

Basically, I think we'll see who is going to be the big powers in the very early part of the season.  I would not be surprised to see the championship go down to the last game of the season like it did last year rather than on Nov 5th as you predict.  We shall see! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: zoofan on September 02, 2005, 08:07:50 pm

Kalamazoo will finish last again in the MIAA and probably will lose to Kenyon (usually their confidence booster going into the MIAA play).  formerd3db, it is not too early for my assumption...wabash will have their starters out of the game very early.  I will be very surprised if the hornets win a game this year.  Ever since Tim Rogers left, the program is slipping back to the pre-Rogers era...Terrance Brooks is a far cry from the answer.  Brooks' 2-a-days are running the players into the ground...about 1/5 of their team is injured, that's why there is no scrimmage at st. francis.  hopefully they won't have to forfeit any games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 03, 2005, 07:19:56 pm
zoofan:
Fair enough.  You are closer to the situation than I.  However, my point simply is that it is unfair to start trashing the new head coach as yet.  He (as any head coach) is entitled to establish the program schedule as he sees fit.  Injuries are obviously a part of the game; sometimes it is just pure unluckiness.  Hope has had a lot of injuries too.  I think Kazoo will win at least one or two games.  The MIAA is a strange conference at times and surprises do happen just when we think they may not.  Kazoo may indeed finish last in the league, but time will tell.  The Kazoo/Wabash game is not debateable - Wabash should win easily.  I will be surprised if they lose to Kenyon.  Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 04, 2005, 01:02:25 am
While watching the Auburn-Ga Tech game tonight, it was fun to watch the Albion score crawl across the base of the screen! ;D

Congratulations to Albion for sending all those D1 fans to Google to find out who in the heck is Albion! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 05, 2005, 12:32:57 am
Was good to see that Albion beat Butler. (bet those that googled Albion are now asking where the heck is Mich ???) Was unfortunate that WLC did not get past Valpo. When will the rest of the MIAA jump on the DI wagon and get their schools names scrolled along the botom of ESPN?

I see Taz Wallace earned D player of the week with a TD return in a blowout.

Not saying he doesn't deserve his award (maybe I am or am biased)  :-\ but at WLC Lepke (LB) had a heck of a game vs Valpo (13 tackes 2 for 8 yards loss)as did Seiler (DL) (6 tackes, forced and recovered a fumble) Lots of work from those two in a close game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 05, 2005, 12:55:13 am
It's tough being an associate member sometimes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 06, 2005, 08:51:16 am
Not only an associate but a lame duck member as well!  :( 2007 is our move away from the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on September 08, 2005, 10:45:43 am
formerd3db:

Good luck to Hope this Saturday at JCU (hope you knock them off!), and to the rest of the MIAA in week #2 (except Kzoo, of course).  Adrian had a fine opening effort; they should continue to cruise this weekend against Defiance.  Nice win, too, for Albion.  Results in week #2 should show a lot.

Still confused by the lack of "talk" on the MIAA thread.  Not sure whether the silence is sandbagging, or burying heads in the sand.  We look forward to getting our season open Saturday against K-college in Crawfordsville.

Regards.   



 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 08, 2005, 10:46:34 am
I'm starting to get a little worried - this lack of posting is like the calm before the storm.  Bring on the weekend!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2005, 06:16:04 pm
Thanks BashDad.  Good luck to Wabash on Sat also even though it is against one of ours! :o  Hopefully it will be a great sunny Sept Sat for a college game.

To our fellow MIAA posters:  Yes, I think our board has been the most quiet  ???  Not sure why.  Anyway, good luck to all the teams this weekend.  It will be a tough challenge for Hope to win at JCU i.e away.  After last Saturday's scrimmage, I think the offense will do fine; defense will be the question.  The latter will have to step it up somewhat.  Also, the special teams and kicking game will need to be on - that could be the deciding factor.  Those aspects were not sharp last Sat, but then again, it was just a scrimmage.  Everyone check in on Sun or Mon :-X 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 09, 2005, 09:25:37 am
I have only been reading the posts for the past four years but it seems the MIAA has alwyas been behind in postings. You would think, since the MIAA is the oldest conference in the world,  8) we would have the most posts. 'Course then again maybe all the posters have gone on to the gridiron in the sky. ;D

Good luck to all this weekend. Lets get up for the games and have a MIAA sweep of the competition. We have Rockford and dedicate the new field this weekend, should be a good time. The fun begins at 1PM, or 2PM depending where you are.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 09, 2005, 12:17:50 pm
Hey K-zooers

If you are planning on attending the game against Wabash at C-ville you need to know that "Indiana time" is one hour behind "Michigan time" ... nice going down buyt not as much fun coming home.  Additionally, the first home game ... which this is at Wabash ... is always "Community Day" wherein there is a pic nic on the main quad.  It is open to whomever wishes to come (hence the word "Community") and you are Community.  It starts at 11 AM "Indiana time".  You are more than welcome to come and sit on the grass or bring a lawn chair and partake of the eats and community.  We will get a little more contentious at game time as we very much wish to win ... but not before.  So join us.  AND hopefully we will also see an injury free and fun football game.  I heard the weather will be very warm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlbionCollegeBrits on September 10, 2005, 02:30:43 am
Hey how are you all doing?  I am new to this forum.  I used to post a long time ago, but just thought why not get back into it, and give some intellectual conversation on the topic of the MIAA.  One week of football in the books, and another week coming up.  As it is quite obvious I am a big fan and supporter of the Albion College Britons.  Currently I am a 5th year Senior.  I try to make it to most of the games.  This week we have a bye week, but Sept 17. is our home opener against University of Wisconsin-Osh Kosh.  I am getting pumped up for the game, yet at the same time kind of nervous.  Last year I drove to Osh Kosh when Albion played in one of the most lopsided games of the season, coming away with a 40-0 loss which was full of numerous turnovers.  This year, we at Albion feel this is the year for us to win the MIAA!  Last year Albion didnt make the plays necessary in a 58-35 embarrassing loss at home to the Olivet College Comets (first loss since 1975 to Olivet if I might add).  I know that loss left a bad taste in the mouth of the players.  This year's edition of the Britons will be a force to be reckoned with.  We havent been to the NCAA Playoffs in nearly 7 years, but this year see a new look upgraded Albion team.  However there is still Hope Flying Dutchmen, Adrian Bulldogs, and the Alma Scots in the way of the title.

      Good Luck to all MIAA teams this week, especially Hope, they will need it against John Carroll!         
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Toph on September 10, 2005, 06:28:10 pm
Quote
Good Luck to all MIAA teams this week, especially Hope, they will need it against John Carroll!

Truer words were never spoken.  38-13, Carroll rolls.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2005, 06:57:44 pm
About what I figured for this weekend's games.  Ouch for Hope :(, defense needs much work it appears as I mentioned; offense did worse than I would have thought with six interceptions.  Obviously JCU is much improved from last year.  Congrats to them, but Hope has work to do to improve.  Not impossible, though.

As for Kzoo, also as most predicted.  Congrats to Wabash.  Hopefully, despite the loss, the Kzoo fans enjoyed the Community Day and fantastic weather for tailgaiting.

Alma wins against Aurora, but as expected also.  As most of you have said, as the teams start to engage more stronger opponents in the next 3 weeks, including our own conference foes, it will provide a better picture as to who really has the "big" talent - Albion, Adrian, Alma possibly Hope.  (cont'd) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2005, 07:08:35 pm
(cont'd)
Wis Luth loses to a young, but improved D-IAA Valpo.  Score closer than one would think which suggest WCL might be a spoiler this year.

Adrian - as expected in a blowout of Defiance.  2 wins against weak teams, but they are still wins and confidence and experience builders. 

Olivet - gets spanked and repaid by Franklin for last year's win in a shootout.  It is very early, yet as some of our Olivet posters mentioned, it appears Olivet will be somewhat weaker than last, especially with all the changes in staff and young players.  However, they can still be a spoiler. 

Obviously, my comments are just based on scores and the brief write-ups in the paper on the games since I did not see these.  Nonetheless, with great September weather, regardless if our teams lose or win, it is great that college season is here.  Good luck to all the teams next weekend.  I HOPE that we can rebound against DePauw in the home opener and Community Day ;D  This should be an interesting game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlbionCollegeBrits on September 11, 2005, 09:32:38 pm
I am new to posting to this forum.  I am not sure if you really do Pick em's for each week's games, but as a newbie, let me give you my picks for Week #3.

Wisconsin OshKosh @ Albion   Tabbed as "Redemption Saturday Albion charges to victory!
Wittenberg @ Alma  Alma with the win going away, as Wittenberg falls to 0-3
Depauw @ Hope  Hope blows out Depauw
Kalamazoo @ Mt. St. Joseph  Kalamazoo gets destroyed, and falls to 0-2 on the young season
Olivet @ Ohio Wesleyan  Olivet evens their record at 1-1
McMurray @ Tri-State   McMurray with the win
Wisconsin Lutheran at Concordia (WI)  Wisconsin Lutheran gets first win of the year, improves record to (1-2)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on September 11, 2005, 11:19:50 pm
You know Hope has the entire Wabash community behind it on Saturday!!! :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2005, 10:58:16 am
Thanks wabashcpa.  We HOPE to do our best and tame the Tigers! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Toph on September 12, 2005, 11:55:14 am
formerd3db-
I thought you might be able to help me out with this.  Is Schwander that prone to throwing INT's?  I saw that his career ratio isn't that great, but 5 int's in one half is pretty out of control.  I'll assume you didn't make it to the game, so I'll do my best to describe what happened on most of his picks.  Most of the time he was flushed from the pocket, rolling to one side of the field, and throwing it up for grabs.  On several occasions he was throwing into double or triple coverage, and once, it looked as though he threw it right to a JCU defender.  Wha, what happened?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2005, 07:15:38 pm
Toph:
Good to hear from you.  You are correct, I was supposed to be @ the game, but unfortunately didn't make it (guess I'm glad I didn't :-[!).  Schwander was a starter at  QB as a freshman at Tri State University, but transferred to Hope due to curriculum choice.  He has been the starter since.  He also has a very strong arm but as you point out, has a tendency to get flushed/careless when chased out of the pocket (which unfortunately happened a lot last year and appears so far this year) and had INT's like that last year, although certainly not that many in one game.  This is obviously somewhat surprising for a Sr. QB.  As the latter, he needs to make more calculated and patient choices, wait and try to get the ball to an open receiver when scrambling, even if it means taking a shorter gain, rather than throwing it away (depending on the situation of course ;)) or risking the INT at an inopportune time.  As you saw, we have good receivers (as usual), but if the QB play doesn't improve in that regard, we could be in for trouble and a long season.

However, I do not want to "rush to judgement"; after all, it was only our first game of the season.  He could do just the opposite next game - he has that talent and potential.  Anyway, thanks for the input and good luck to your team for the remainder of the season (unless we get the "unlikely" chance to meet again in the playoffs ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on September 12, 2005, 08:28:02 pm
How bout them Dawgs.  Adrian competition hasn't been stiff but good work getting ready for the long stretch.  MIAA will come down to Alma and Adrian game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 13, 2005, 12:50:44 pm
Hope:  Here is hoping that you are far enough ahead this coming weekend to take out your starters ... but then elect not to do so and instead run up the score.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 13, 2005, 05:21:04 pm
Clog the Tigers!  Go Hope! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on September 15, 2005, 12:37:42 pm
Olivet Coaching Staff Attention:

WHAT ARE YOU DOING??????????????????

The wing-t was the diamond in the rough, and got you back to winning-and you scrap it!?

This offense no is pathic. You are getting by with athletes alone-if getting by means losing to a team you beat by 20 last year.

Dominic do everyone a favor and resign-your d sucks and you have killed a great offense.

Here is to a long year Comets.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 15, 2005, 05:06:27 pm
The result at Alma last Saturday was as expected, but the offense staying so much on the ground was not.  Is Alma more of a running team this year?  Will Wittenberg start 0-3?  We'll see Saturday. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 15, 2005, 06:20:12 pm
rome:
Nothing personal against Livedotti, but I have to agree with you about his junking the Wing-T, even though many others disagree with you and I about the validity of that type of offense.  While Olivet won't win the MIAA this year, I still think they will be the spoiler this year.

miaafan:
Althought it appears that Wittenburg is having a "very" down year, I doubt that they will be a patsy for Alma this Sat.  Despite playing an away game, I sense that Witt will be an extremely tough opponent for Alma, and if the latter is not at the top of their game Sat, it could be a disaster.

Hope vs. DePauw will be a very competitive game I believe as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on September 15, 2005, 06:52:36 pm
formerd3db:

"Competitive" is all right--but Hope will thump them, right?
All the Wabash folks are in your camp this week, with "Hope." ::)

Have a great game, I'm hoping (that word!!) that the Dutchmen will solve some of their problems this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2005, 08:33:28 am
Bashdad:
Thanks.  I would (Hope, - yes that word! ;)) that being a home game would be the advantage for us today.  However, even though DePauw has been down somewhat the last 3-4 years, they are always tough against Hope.  Last time at our place, it was no easy win for us.  As you mention though, we need to iron out the glitches from last week.  A good solid win for us would obviously be a big boost at this point.

Good luck to Wabash against Wash U.  today.  Their stadium is a neat place to play in with historic tradition.  I would think that your 'Lil Giants will not have too much of a problem with Wash U. this year.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2005, 08:01:29 pm
Surprise loss for Albion today although Wis-Osh not that bad a team.  Hope debacle again today - see my comments on the NCAC board.  Alma gets past Witt which suggests they are pretty good, although since Witt is having a very down year this year, so it is hard to judge Alma at this point - and they play at DII Tiffin next week.  Kazoo, Wis Luth and Olivet all lose today, the latter to Ohio Wesleyan.   I don't want to sound negative, however, I sense a mediocre year for the MIAA overall this year. :P  However, the season is only 3 weeks old.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2005, 09:56:14 pm
Of other "banter":
It appears that Livedotti has junked more than just the Wing-T at Olivet.  Apparently the Michigan style winged helmets are gone also, now being replaced with red helmets and a white "O" as reported.  Too bad; I liked the winged ones :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 17, 2005, 10:48:52 pm
Was surprised to watch us get beat so bad by Concordia-Wi today. #1 for C does it all!! Our Soph QB is coming into his own. Too bad he did not play more last year. Good D by C, held Kiel to very few yards. Good day on D for WLC's Lepke and Seiler. Could have swore I saw Seiler knock down a pass and get a sack but stats are not recorded by me. Was very disappointed with the officials. One couldn't run/walk and another seemed to have left his flag at home. (not why we lost) Got next week off them homecoming with TriState. Time to turn it around and start the real season with a W.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 17, 2005, 10:51:57 pm
It was a great game at Alma today.  Yes, Witt is having a down year, but they really are much better than their 0-3 record would indicate.  They are a dangerous team, and next week I'm sure they'll get a win. 

Last week it was hard to tell just how good Alma is.  Today was a more characteristic Scot Gun offensive showing.  The defense did show some weak spots, but hopefully they'll be able to tweak things.  D-II Tiffin will be a major test next week.

Alma and Adrian are the only two unbeatens at this point.  Maybe the championship will hinge on that matchup.  Is Adrian for real?  It's hard to tell yet with their schedule so far.

I hate to say it, but the MIAA is looking at a down year.  5-12 at this point with FIVE winless teams says it all.

Good luck to everybody next week.  Let's get some more numbers in the W column!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on September 18, 2005, 04:22:58 pm
d3db

the helments are gone too, now I'm really fargon angry.

This is fargon war!

Death to Dominic.
 
Long live Irv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2005, 04:55:07 pm
wlcalum:  Good comments.  At times like this, one has to concentrate on the positive aspects that have been shown.  In [re] building a program, it takes time and we have to go through these "growing" stages.  One progress aspect at a time!

miaafan:  I have to agree with you - doesn't look good overall for the league this year.  Yes, good luck to all the teams this weekend.

rome:  Well, friend, I wouldn't go that far! ::)  However, I don't like the changes either.  But then, Olivet has always had a history of short term changes in its storied football history of the program.  It still is early and I think they'll have to go through a [re] building year or two. :P  Remember that as good as Irv did with the program, his middle year there was not great.  So we'll just have to allow this year to give Livedotti and his young team a chance at growing and  see what happens after next year (same goes for Kazoo).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 19, 2005, 12:23:46 pm
former 3D ... what happened?  DePauw decent or Hope stinky?

I did not care for Coach K's comments in GR Press ... appeared (at least to me) to denigrate his team.  That certainly does not help with team focus and also recruiting.  Question being danced around:  is it time to find a "Smith II"?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 19, 2005, 02:49:54 pm
wabco:
Both.  DePauw is much better than some people would believe (not a power, but decent like you mention).  Bigger than I thought and good speed, good QB.  Had Hope scored in the first quarter when they were down on goal and/or near it twice, the game may have had a different tone.  Hope has had poor offensive blocking and QB play (this week, the latter was harassed and chased out of the pocket again on almost every passing play due to the poor blocking).  Defense is not strong, they were on the field a lot and tired greatly because of it.  Running back and receivers good.  Kicking game (FG's) is terrible which is a disappointment since we have a great, veteran Sr. kicker with a long range - however, it has not been his fault as the special teams blocking is non-existant as kicks have been blocked right up the middle.

I haven't seen Coach K's comments in the GR Press so will refrain from that, other than to say that after the game, he just challenged the team for someone to step up and take a leadership role as the attitude seems to be a bit lackadaisical (sp? ??? :)).  Although the latter might be slightly understandable after being blown out in two games.  Still, no excuses for if something doesn't change, it could be a long season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 19, 2005, 03:49:29 pm
miaafbfan--

Actually, Witt is off this week so at least they won't lose.  Although I am pretty sure that they'll find a way to give up 500 yards and 35 points. 

Witt's next game is against Denison...heaven help the Tigers if they lose that one. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 19, 2005, 11:27:05 pm
formerd3db,
Posted this over on CCIW board, but it is now several pages back and probably missed...

So what's up with Hope?  Recently Wheaton vs. Hope has been a barn burner of a game (not saying it can't or won't be this year). 

Where is Hope having problems?  Seems like they are turning the ball over WAY too many times - 6 turnovers in first half against John Carroll?  Seems like the offensive that has been so potent recently is spuddering a bit?  Are there injury issues?

My "hope" is that Hope doesn't suddenly figure everything out at least until Oct. 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blue_balls on September 19, 2005, 11:47:33 pm
MIAA people.....
Tell me about Albion....How does Millikin stack up with them?  I know last year they played a pretty tough game with Albion getting the win up in Michigan...Should be a good game I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 20, 2005, 12:41:55 am
As a die-hard Titan, but a Michigander for the last 35 years, I'll give you a FIRST assessment, since no one else has yet jumped in.

I know essentially nothing about either team in terms of specifics, but from what I've read on the various boards (and seen in the results), if the game were in Michigan, I'd (fairly) confidently pick Albion.  Since it is in Decatur, I'll (nervously) pick the Blue.

Oddly enough, I don't even have waves of nausea when supporting Millikin - I MUST be getting old and mellow!  :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlbionCollegeBrits on September 20, 2005, 03:29:20 am
MIAA people.....
Tell me about Albion....How does Millikin stack up with them?  I know last year they played a pretty tough game with Albion getting the win up in Michigan...Should be a good game I'd imagine.


They didnt beat Albion last year, actually Albion beat Millikin I believe like 31-26 or something like that.  I was at the game.  I dont know which game you were watching lol.......but anyway......its gonna be a tough game for Albion at Decatur, we'll just see what happens when Saturday rolls around.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2005, 03:35:31 am
That's what he said, with Albion getting the win up in Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 20, 2005, 04:53:54 pm
Mugsy:  See my reply a couple posts above you on the MIAA board and I posted the same comments on the NCAC board as I recall in reply to another poster (I'm short on time right now, so can't check those, but you can scroll back on those).  Thanks for your comments.  Good luck to your team, except against us! :)

I think that Albion will have a tough time at Decatur this weekend.  The Big Blue is a better team this year than last from what I've heard.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 20, 2005, 05:04:16 pm
formerd3db,
Ah yes... sorry I didn't see them.  I just kinda cut & pasted my CCIW post here without perusing the MIAA board enough.  Thanks for your insights.

I should be at the game on Saturday.  If so, I'll do my best to post objective comments on the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 21, 2005, 10:28:14 am
Mugsy:
It would be great to meet you at the game Sat, however, I have a previous longtime other commitment that prevents me from going to the game.  Anyway, HOPE you enjoy the day! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blue_balls on September 21, 2005, 11:24:40 am
Thamks fellas for helping the lad from Albion with his reading assignment ..hahaha GO BIG BLUE
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on September 21, 2005, 07:48:19 pm
Dominic!!!!

You Suck..You Jack Arse.

You have taken the winning lottery ticket- errr a great offense and fantastic coaches and run them both out of town.

Dominic!!!

You are worthless and weak...
now drop your HC title and give me twenty!!!


I can picture it now...
"you say, 401 on the ground a game and 40 + points...nah, I have a better idea..."

booo Dominic...boo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 21, 2005, 08:39:56 pm
Yeah, what are they thinking at Olivet?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on September 23, 2005, 12:10:24 pm
formerd3db:

Best of luck to the Flying Dutchmen at Wheaton this weekend.  Based on my visit there for the Wabash scrimmage, and on where the Hope team is hurting right now, it would appear that you will have your hands full.
Still, it happens on the field.  I hope for safe, injury-free play for both teams in what I know will be a hard fought game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blue_balls on September 24, 2005, 06:21:03 pm
http://www.millikin.edu/athletics/headlines.asp?ID=19086

Wrap up on Big Blue vs. Albion....Nathan Wallick another solid effort for the Big Blue.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 25, 2005, 11:14:44 am
formerd3db,
As in the 2 previous games this year for the Dutchmen, much the same on Saturday at Wheaton.  QB was running for his life all game - sacked 7 times, hurried virtually every passing attempt.  Resulted in very low completion percentage, which seems to be consistent with their other games.  Hard to mount the same passing attack that Hope has had in recent years when you can't protect the QB.

Wheaton offense was able to mount a very balanced attack - virtually same yardage on ground and through the air, which seemed to have Hope off balance throughout the game.

Credit the Hope team in that they played hard the entire game.  They didn't fold when the score reached 41-7 mid-3rd quarter.  It might be a tough year for Hope, but they'll be back.  Best of luck to the Dutchmen on the rest of the season.

Look forward to the Wheaon/Hope game next year... and thru at least 2009.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 26, 2005, 02:11:11 pm
The warm ups are over and now we begin conference play.

Adrian heads for Albion - Can Adrian stay undefeated? I think so.
Olivet travels to Alma - Alma pick to finish as MIAA champs, they win this game.
Kalamazoo plays at Hope - Will Kazoos D put the hurts on Hope?  Nope.
Tri State traverses to Wisconsin Lutheran - Rested and recovered, WLC. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 26, 2005, 03:21:01 pm
Mugsy and Bashdad:  See my reply posts to you on your respective boards.

wlcalum:  I think you are right. 

General comments:
Albion loses a close one; the Adrian/Albion game will give a good indication as to which team is really the better and front runner.  As for Alma, either they are not as good as some think (although I am not saying they are not a good team) or DII Tiffin is a much better team than they were last year....hummmmm ???  Alma should win, but can't take Olivet lightly - stranger things have happened.  The other schools are in for a long season I think.  Hope should beat Kazoo at home.  Tri-State? What's going on there??? WCL could be a spoiler.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 26, 2005, 05:13:39 pm
I agree on the picks posted here so far.

Adrian/Albion is probably the game to watch.

Alma should have no problem with Olivet.  Recall that D-II Tiffin also rolled over Alma last year, and then the Scots ran the table in the MIAA.  They could do the same this year.  The league as a whole is weaker this year than last, IMO.  Albion and Hope are down, and Adrian is more of an unknown because of their patsy non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on September 29, 2005, 04:13:43 pm
formerd3db:

Thanks for your note on the NCAC board--we will have our hands full at OWU.  Best of luck to Hope this weekend.  I, too, expect to see Saturday evening that the Dutchmen got their win.  Haven't really looked closely at K-zoo's last game against Kenyon--although I was surprised, I thought Kenyon would take them.  K-zoo has some good athletes, but we didn't see much from them in Crawfordsville to start the season.

Hope it's a well-played and safe game for all!

Wabash Always Fights!!

     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on October 02, 2005, 09:28:27 am
As expected, MIAA will come down to Adrian vs Alma.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 02, 2005, 12:00:59 pm
Indeed.  No big surprises yesterday.

Adrian/Albion must have been a good game to watch.  The question is still how far down is Albion this year and how good is Adrian?  Does anybody who was there care to comment?

Alma/Olivet was as expected in the end, although it was much closer during the frst quarter and a half.  Alma has some work to do on defense and special teams.  Penalties were also a concern, as they have been in recent years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Zap on October 02, 2005, 05:24:37 pm
Adrian Vs. Albion

Both teams looked good, Taz Wallace had an unbelievable Game, and it looked like they were throwing away from Dan Mckeown. I thought Albion looked like a solid team but just not as good as Adrian. I think that Albion seemed to get a little ahead of themselves, Adrian made some mistakes in the first half and I think Albion thought they were out of the woods. 4 wins in four years, Adrian over Albion. Looks like, Adrians got their number.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2005, 09:27:06 pm
Adrian's last three games of their schedule are highly probable wins and as such, Adrian/Alma will indeed be the big game.  However, that game is not a guarantee that will give them the title.  Most likely it will, however, it is still early, they just got by Albion, and they have to play Hope and Olivet.  Stranger things have happened in this league with games like that (recall Alma being creamed by Olivet in 1999 when they had were beating everyone else).  Hope and/or Olivet are not "gime" wins. :) 

A good win for Hope yesterday.   Beautiful day for football everywhere in our region.  Hope's game attendance was down, which was disappointing on such a beautiful day, but that's expected since they hadn't been winning.  Disappointing fan following for Kazoo, though as perhaps 100 or so and mostly parents/family.  I thought perhaps they would have a new era in following after they had that 4100 game attendance two years ago at Homecoming against Hope and had been doing better, but then again, when you have the record they have had last year and so far this year, it is not surprising and certainly understandable.

As far as the game perspective, Kazoo gave a good fight but Hope just wore them down.  I was surprised that they were not as big in size as in recent years, but then neither is Hope this year.  Kazoo had two good QB's and their punter is fantastic - latter had perfect spirals and long punts even against the wind.   Hope's kicker Barnett back on track with a 41 yard field goal.  Hope's RB Booko had 202 yards rushing and 4 TD's, although he did not appear to be running with the "terror and steamroller" style he did last year until toward the latter part of the game.

Still some interesting games left in the league.
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 02, 2005, 09:43:52 pm
Thanks for the info.  Adrian/Alma will be important next week, but it's still early.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 03, 2005, 09:30:55 am
Adrian/Albion - proves how important special teams can be. What a game I bet that was to watch. The fans got their moneys worth! Heart attack city.

Week two sees Adrian in another fight as they host Alma. Alma is picked to win the MIAA but I will give this win to the home team. Adrian in another close game.
Albion goes to Tri State for Tri States HC. Albion spoiles the day.
Hope goes to Olivet for their HC. I want to say Hope takes it but think Olivet wins on the home field.
WLC runs to Kalamazoo for HC. Two fan busses making the trip. WLC won't let that many fans down.

Some very interesting games this week. The best team in the MIAA won't be settled this week but the middle of the pack and spoilers will be known.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on October 03, 2005, 11:21:52 am
How bad are the comets???????

Little d you need to abondon ship while there still is talent at Olivet.

You gave up over 600 yards????you kidding me?

This is awful.

Please-someone send for Irv!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2005, 11:58:21 am
rome:
Friend, I know you are extremely disappointed :(.  But please, you have to keep a positive outlook! ;)  Olivet did give Alma a run at least for one half.  You also have to keep in mind that Alma always gets a ton of yardage because of the type of offense they run.  Like I said in the above post - Olivet completely shut Alma down back in 1999 when the latter was on a steamroller against everyone else - I mean completely for those of you who were there can attest to that.  Again, stranger things have happened.  Keep the faith, man; I'm doing the same for Hope :)

wlcalum:
Good comments.  It will be an interesting weekend.  Despite what I said to Rome above, I have to go against your prediction and say that we'll (Hope) prevail at Olivet this Sat. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: msmith0076 on October 03, 2005, 01:40:10 pm
formerd3db:  I am an Alm,a grad and played on the '99 team...we beat Olivet at Olivet and went 8-1 that year.  The team that crushed us was Hope, which beat Alma 62-7 at Hope.  We went on to split the conference 3 ways with Hope and Albion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 03, 2005, 02:42:32 pm
formerd3db
Figured you for a hommer.   ;)
I really do want to pick Hope but the homefield advantage may be too much to overcome?!

Congrats to Seiler for d player of the week. See, WLC players do get noticed.  :)

By the way - when did Rugenstein transfer from Hope to WLC?   ??? I see he transfered and recieved HM for d player of the week.  See what a good christian education will get you.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2005, 03:41:14 pm
wlcalum:
Well, someone has to do it! ::)  Anyway, yes homefield advantage is usually the difference, but as you know, "...on any given Saturday...". 

Congrats to Seiler on the honor.  WLC will be missed when it departs for the new Wisconsin league after 2007, however, it is certainly an understandable move for them in many aspects, not to mention more regionally based rivalries.

As far as Rugenstein, must be a different person (maybe a relation, I'm not sure).   Matt Rugenstein was a freshman on last year's Hope roster; obviously a soph now and starting DE for us at first home game against DePaul, played last Sat against Kazoo.  I do not know the particulars, don't know all the players yet, but can find out for you if there is any relation.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2005, 03:49:42 pm
msmith:
My bad, I stand corrected! :-[  Indeed it was Hope that crushed Alma that year - I should have known that (because I was there at the game!!), but in my haste to post a reply and in talking about Olivet/Alma, I had Alma on my mind:D (should have have Hope on my mind!).  See what getting old does to your mind ???.  Anyway, thanks for the correction so I didn't mislead anyone.  On the other hand, my point of the post still applies ;) where the underdog pulls the upset - anything can happen, which seems to be common in the MIAA in recent years, especially with the last year and this one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 03, 2005, 04:27:18 pm
Undestatement of the year. Seems upsets have become the norm - which in my book is a good thing. Never overlook.

By the way we have no Rugenstein on our roster just poking a little fun at the typo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2005, 04:33:48 pm
wlcalum:
Hilarious.  You almost had me going there for a minute :)  I'm glad most of us around here have a good sense of humor! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bizrizzo on October 04, 2005, 11:46:28 am
hey, just another wlc alum here, except a former football player as well.  great to see the boys get a 'w' finally, and my man sellers (seiler) get some recog. in the process.

looking around the MIAA, i didn't think that kzoo was hurting that bad to only gain 4 yards on the ground and only 115 overall. wow, i knew they were struggling but not to that extent.

also, how does olivet not even have 1-100 yard rusher?alma's def. must be tough as nails to only give up 190 net rushing yards. that, and alma racked up over 300 yards on the ground, and lambourn having 168 yards on 9 carries and 2 td's is quite impressive.

one more note, i was wondering who made the decisions for players of the week.  follow up question, has there ever been co-players of the week? here is my reasoning:

OFF:  Kehl, WLC--217 yards, 25 rushes, 2td
                            68 yards, 4 receptions, 1td
         Brehm, Alma--43-27-0   311 yards, 4td
DEF:  Lewis, Adrian--6 solo, 1 assist, 3 tackle for loss, 2 of
                                 which were sacks, 1 forced fumble

let me know if any of y'all can help me out, thanks, tha biz
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2005, 05:29:30 pm
biz:
Players of the week are nominated by the assistant coaches.  There are two designated coaches (each from a different team) who are the coordinators of that, to tally the votes (at least that has been how it was done in the recent past - it might possibly be different this year - I am not sure).

I don't recall that there have been co-players of the week in the past, however, you could possibly check on that in the archives of the MIAA website.  BTW, congrats on WLC's win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 05, 2005, 08:39:30 am
Do you guys not look at the MIAA website?  :o Week four had co-defensive players of the week. My bet is there could be co-players every week if one had time to really look over the stats of each game.

The problem with that is, and what I have seen, sometimes the stats are not up to snuff. I know in early years I traveled to watch a great game only to read the stats to find a certain player(s) did not even play in the game! 'Course the only stat that is important is the final score and an empty injury report.

Welcome to the board biz. Good to have a former players view of WLC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 05, 2005, 06:27:23 pm
wlcalum:
Obviously, I did not look at the MIAA website at the recent player-of-the-week selections! :o  Should have, but didn't take the time to check on that.  Anyway,  indeed thanks for the follow-up.

BTW, how's the home attendance been at WLC games this year?  I hope satisfactory and that the student-body supports them, of course, in perspective as to the school enrollement in the 600's.  Good luck this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 06, 2005, 08:46:18 am
fd3db
Thanks for the good luck - right back at ya - even though I picked against ya.  :)

Home attendance has been amazing this year. The stands have been full both at home and away - if you call Concordia an away game. I would guess there have been close to 2000 people at each game which is a heck of an improvement from a couple years ago when we were lucky to get 100 - and that was all parents! I think the Warrier Underground (student support group) has really stepped it up this year. More promotions, giving away shirts, sodas, stuff like that. Two fan busses going to Kalamazoo says it all. Pretty good for a program with it's feet still wet. Takes a lot of dedication from a lot of people to keep the energy going during these beginning times. I see a lot of alumni (graduated players) coming to the games now.  Those kids took the hard knocks - glad to see they come back to support the success we are having. See ya in two weeks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 06, 2005, 03:25:18 pm
wlcalum:
You're welcome.  Also, the support you describe is fantastic.  You are right that it takes a tremendous amount of effort and dedication by all those people.  Sounds like your school has a solid foundation now.  Anyway, yes, see you in a couple of weeks; obviously, the league situation will probably be sorted out even more by then.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on October 06, 2005, 10:53:48 pm
Will be at Maple Stadium this weekend for Adrian vs Alma.  Gotta be for the MIAA, even this early.  Will give report.  Can't wait to see which one is for real! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 07, 2005, 07:06:55 pm
I wish I could be there as well.  It's a very important game, and it may decide the conference champ, but it is still very early.  Strange things can happen at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2005, 09:47:18 pm
miaafbfan:  Ditto. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2005, 09:48:21 pm
I will go out on a limb and pick Adrian over Alma (home stadium advantage); Hope over Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 08, 2005, 04:05:48 pm
Alma pulls out a close one at Adrian, 13-10.  Sounds like both teams are for real.  I'm curious to hear other observations from the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 09, 2005, 10:07:37 am
Interesting day yesterday around the MIAA. 

Albion must have taken all of their frustration from the Adrian loss last week out on Tri-State:  73-0 says it all.  TSU has a long way to go before being competitive in the MIAA.

Olivet shows the potential for being a spoiler again this year by defeating Hope 31-24 at OC's Homecoming.  Hope's really having a down year, as the conference is as a whole.

And Kalamazoo shows some promise as well.  They may get another win or two in the MIAA, as they manage to get by Wisconsin Lutheran 21-13.

Alma is once again in the driver's seat, but it is still early in the season.  A lot can happen in 5 more weeks.  It's quite possible the MIAA champ will come down to a tiebreaker among teams with a conference loss.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 09, 2005, 10:25:13 am
Let's get some more chatter going on this board.  Looking ahead to next week:

Olivet @ Adrian:  Adrian bounces back.

Kalamazoo @ Albion:  Kazoo will have to wait for that second conference win as Albion takes this one.

Tri-State @ Alma:  The Scots maintain their lead in the conference race as Alma wins with ease.

Wisconsin Lutheran @ Hope:  It's hard to pick against Hope at home.  The Dutchmen win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on October 09, 2005, 06:04:10 pm
Being an old bulldog it pained my heart to see the Scots comeback and beat the Dawgs.  Adrian had a 10-0 lead at half and then the offense just stopped.  Hutchinson hurt his left shoulder right before half and that had to have been the reason for his terrible second half.  He couldn't complete a pass in the second half.  Adrian even brought in their backup for a series but all he did was hand it off and that ain't their offense.  I know I am an old Dawg (from late eighties and early nineties) but Adrian does have the better team by a slight margin.  Hats off to the Scots for getting the job done in Maple stadium.  I will tell you what it was a great game to watch, some SERIOUS hitting going on from both teams.  Many passes fell incomplete from smacks across the middle and special teams had some "decleaters" from both teams.  Great MIAA battle.  Reminds me of some of the old battles when Steve Kinney and the boys came to town against Croswaite and Roedell.  Great game but am worried about an Adrian let down next week at homecoming against the Comets. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2005, 09:52:36 pm
Well, I blew the two picks I made! Agree with the previous comments that Alma is in the drivers seat...for now ;D.  Kudos to them for winning at Maple Stadium; the past few years they have had good success against Adrian at the latter's home turf.  However, also, I agree that it isn't over yet; anyone could win it yet, but the three "A"'s have the best chance; Hope and Olivet have outside and slim chances but have to "win out the rest of the way" to have a chance.  The tie breaker provision in case of a 1st place tie could be a factor.  But alas, I am getting ahead of ourselves; next week will be a major indicator.

As for the Hope game, Olivet is a good team; much better than some have given them credit.  I said from the beginning they would be a factor.  Good running game, passing and kicking games, however, are weak, their defense okay.  Hope could have won the game, but did not deserve to; mainly because of extremely poor tackling.  Taking nothing away from Olivet's two fine running backs, on many of their long runs including the TD runs, they were stopped at the line of scrimmage and/or stopped after a few yards, only to slip through the arms/hands of Hope defensive players who were "arm tackling".  It would have been a much different game had that not occurred.  Anyway, a nice day for the game despite the overcast skies which gave way to the sun in the 4th Qtr.  A nice capacity crowd at Olivet's new stadium for their Homecoming, and for once at the latter, they finally won one!  Congrats to them;   :-[ and :( to Hope as there is a lot of work for us to do this week if we even hold onto the outside chance for the title.  Never give up, however, "until the fat lady sings" :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaalooker on October 09, 2005, 11:28:35 pm
Rough Randy snatches a moral victory out of the jaws of defeat!!

Even though the Bulldogs walked away with a loss Saturday afternoon at Maple Stadium, there was a lesson to be learned from "Rough" Randy. Not only does the man call his own plays, he actually calls the play for the defense as well. He decided in the 4th quarter with 7:00 minutes to go, to pull himself out of the game for the betterment of the team, utilizing the power I running attack which has garnered national attention. It is rumored that "Rough" Randy delieved a Panda Bear during halftime as part of his Bio. 101 requirment. On the way back out to the field he threw an old ladies walker, to her surprise "Rough" Randy had cured her of her disabilities. All in all, completing 17-42 passes for 168 yards, "Rough" Randy has proved himself not only to be an athlete but one hell of a model American. "Rough" Randy is truly a god amongst men!
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 10, 2005, 03:25:50 pm
Week 3 is upon us. My predictions are one team to be 3-0, one team to be 0-3, three teams will be 2-1, three teams will be 1-2. What the heck is going on out there!!

Alma big over Tri State. Keep your chins up Tri State(miaafbfan - Tri State beat us last year what does that say for us?)

Olivet goes to Adrian for homecoming - success for Adrian

Kalamazoo heads for Albion - Albion will protect the middle passing lanes/stop two recievers - Albion wins.

WLC trots to Hope for yet another homecoming game. (how many of these things do we have to play?) Will WLC spoil Hope's HC? Are they mad enough for letting Kazoo slip by? I (HOPE) so.

Olivet vs Adrian and Kazoo vs Albion will decide if the three A's do indeed rule the roost. Three very good games between the 1-1's. A simple mistake could make the differance in all three of these game.

See ya in Holland the 15th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 10, 2005, 05:09:57 pm
WLC was having a bad week.  :-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2005, 10:34:24 pm
wlcalum:
Agree with you, except HOPE that we beat you again for Homecoming ;D!  Look me up at the game; I'll be on the sidelines.

Alma/Albion will be the key after next week, I predict (although as you all know, my prediction field record is not very good so far this year! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 11, 2005, 08:35:17 am
fd3db

Now I know who you are and will spot you right away. ::)
You will know me too as I will be in the stands wearing WLC colors and ball cap.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on October 11, 2005, 10:31:30 am
Former 3db .... there is nno Hope.  What will it take?  Is the coaching staff just tired?  Is the talent not there?  Has self belief just abandoned the Wooden Shoes?  I am amazed.  What is the reason(s) and what is the fix?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2005, 06:57:00 pm
wabco:
There is ALWAYS HOPE! ;D  I mentioned these aspects earlier in the season, but alas it indeed appears to be what is happening this year for Hope.  No, the coaching staff is not tired - in fact, I have to commend them for an excellent job particularly in this last game at Olivet - their clock management with regard to time-out situation and the "two minute" offense at the end of the game was superb.  Unfortunately, however, the team was not, and didn't respond.

Not intending to bash anyone, but rather trying to be truthful and realistic about the situation.  The QB is a Sr. (and 4 yr starter) and is not having a very good year.  Granted, he has not had blocking all season long and is forced from the pocket, but has had a tendency to make poor choices and throwing INT's instead of throwing the ball away and/or just plain not very accurate passing, i.e. overthrowing receivers, and not being on target.  In addition, (and this has been a major problem) the another aspect has been extremely poor tackling especially arm tackling on the part of our defense.  The coaches teach and emphasize proper technique (I've seen it in pre-game so can attest to that), however, the players are the ones who have to respond on the field as we all know.  Also, overall, our linemen on either side of the ball are not big in size as compared to other years and the defense becomes very tired from being on the field alot. 

The bottom line is that every college or university at any level goes through a down season or period at sometime or another, and unfortunately, it appears that Hope is in that cycle the last two years.  We are just not a very good football team, or at least not playing up to potential.  But, we all have to endure, and as I said, "never give up HOPE! ;)" Play it out to the end and again, one never knows what might happen "until the fat lady sings" ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on October 14, 2005, 01:31:48 pm
formerd3db:

Hopefully, it's a get-well-week for Hope.  Look forward to seeing that the Wisconsin L. game becomes a win-side entry for the Dutchmen. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2005, 09:42:29 pm
BashDad:
Reply to yours is on your NCAC board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 16, 2005, 06:31:32 pm
I was wrong about Alma defeating Tri-State with ease.  The Scots did get the win, but it was much closer than a lot of people thought it would be.  Lots of guys were getting playing time, and a couple of key defensive players were out, so I guess the tough game down at Adrian the previous week was still being felt.  Aches and pains don't really explain all the penalties, though (100+yards).  There is time to get things back in order before the two tough back-to-back road games at Albion and Hope to close out the (regular) season..
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 17, 2005, 10:07:24 am
I don't think you have to worry too much about Alma getting it together.
What is up with Adrian? Two wins - two OTs? I think the only "A" really ruling the roost is Alma.

If I hear the names Rochek or Rugenstein one more time I'm going to hurl!!! Those two really tore up the turf! And our young QB. Schwander did a good job eluding Seiler then completing the play. Not as close a game as I thought it would be. Too many sacks and no scoring after the long drives. If we only had a kicker.
Point of clarity - in my weekly pick I had (Hope) to win the game. Some interesting games again on the 22nd. Will have to look into things proir to making my picks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 18, 2005, 07:34:14 pm
Wlcalum:
It was a beautiful day for the game.  Sorry your team wasn't able to provide more punch, although obviously I'm glad we won! :)  WLC didn't quite play up to the potential I think they have.    Also, I hope your two players who were hurt are okay.  Sorry we didn't get a chance to meet at the game - things are always busy on game day like that as you well know.

Alma is in control at present, but since you've not been in the league as long, I'm sure you are finding out that that doesn't really mean anything.  This more commonly than not comes down to the wire and it will only take Alma to have "a bad day" and someone else then is better "in the mix".  We'll see what happens.  Anyway, good luck to your WLC for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 19, 2005, 08:56:04 am
fd3fb

Yes it was a beutiful day and a real nice drive with all the fall colors. The wind was pretty brisk up on top of our side. The sunshine was warm and your alum are a great bunch. Had a blast talking with them again this year. Bunch of old farts getting together to talk bull with each other it was great.

Talked to one of our olinemen on Monday and he did not mention the status of our injured - Well we talked about a couple guys who are hurting, but then again what team doesn't have a few guys playing sore?!

I agree with your "one game" commentary. So very true. One error can turn a victory into a defeat. That's why they play the game. You guys play hard this weekend and stay healthy.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 19, 2005, 02:29:44 pm
Alma goes to Kalamazoo - and comes home with the "W"

Tri State travels to Olivet - and goes home with a "L"

Adrian plays at Hope -  Adrain has OT wins vs Albion and Olivet - Olivet has beaten Hope. Do the "A's" rule the roost? Hope is at home - I'll pick the hommies Hope.

Albion crosses the border to Wisconsin Lutheran - Against by better judgement I will stay with WLC for one more week.

Wisedom tells me to pick Adrian and Albion - sometimes i listen to the little red guy on my left shoulder.  :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 19, 2005, 04:15:22 pm
Alma (3-0) @ Kalamazoo (1-2):  Alma recovers from the bumps and bruises, wins on the road, and maintains its one game cushion.

Adrian (2-1) @ Hope (2-1):  Adrian stays right on the heels of Alma with another road win for the "A's."

Albion (2-1) @ WLC (1-2):  The "A's" stay perfect for the week with Albion's win, also on the road.

Tri-State (0-3) @ Olivet (1-2):  The road wins stop in Olivet, as the home team takes this one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2005, 05:30:52 pm
wlcalum:
Thanks friend, and best to you and your team as well.

My picks for this week;
Agree with you guys on Alma over Kazoo, Olivet over Tri-State; I'll go out on a limb and say we pull the home upset over Adrian; Albion over WLC (sorry ::))  Have a great remainder of the week and weekend friends.  Me thinks the wonderful fall weather is about to leave us, unfortunately (of course, if the weather guys are right ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on October 19, 2005, 06:17:29 pm
formerd3db:

Thanks much for your well-wishes--Witt is always a handful, whether home or away.  The L'il Giants will need to be sharp, Witt is hungry and backed into a corner. 

Good luck to your Dutchmen as they take on my former favorite, the Bulldogs from Adrian.  You understand that I can't say that I hope that Hope posts this Saturday's game in the win column, but I will say that I hope it's a great college football game where both teams play their best and the best team on the field Saturday wins in the end--And, that it be injury-free on both sides.  Is that weaselling?  Probably.

May it be a crisp, sunny day (beautiful football day!) in Holland!  Enjoy, and eat a hotdog for me!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on October 22, 2005, 11:16:34 am
Don't worry Bulldog fans, the Dawgs will play well in Holland and stay on the heels of the Scots. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 22, 2005, 04:25:55 pm
Crazy day in the MIAA as Alma falls at Kalamazoo 38-37 and Adrian probably does the same at Hope (down 35-0 at half last I knew).  Predictions just don't work in this conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on October 22, 2005, 11:36:17 pm
Hmmm BigJ guess I should have bet you on that confidence.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 23, 2005, 01:49:23 pm
The race for the MIAA championship is far from over, as now there is a 3-way tie for first place.  Alma, Albion, and Hope all have one loss, and none of these teams have played each other yet.  I give the advantage to Albion, as they will play both Alma and Hope at home.  Alma is on the road for both Albion and Hope.  The Scots need to remember that defense wins championships (and penalties lose them). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on October 23, 2005, 08:19:55 pm
Yeah Hopefan you should have bet me.  I went with my heart and not my head.  You know shame on those Dawgs.  As I watched the Bulldogs two weeks ago against  Alma, I started to question.  They were up 10 at half, got on the ropes in the 2nd half and just really laid down.  No enthusiasm, no fire, those Dawgs need to talk to the guy in the mirror and find some heart.  Schedule favors the dawgs in the 2nd half of the season with all the top teams playing each other but after what sounds like a terrible effort in Holland I don't know what will happen.  The Dutchmen are tough in Holland but 35-0 at half, come on.  Coach Lyall better start kickin some can and see if we can start rising up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 24, 2005, 09:55:13 am
Way to go Kazoo - played tough and brought down Alma. Surprised at the score of Hope/Adrian did not think it would be that big of a win - course you only need one more point than the opponet. ;D Tri State is scoring some point they could get a W yet this year. WLC looked like a grade school team against Albion. Tough game to watch in the rain.

Props to Shaw - my "O" player of the game - first play, one catch, 42 yards, TD, game over!
"D" player of the game #68 for Albion - had Seiler's jersey all but torn off numerous times, good tackling.... Wait a minute... isn't Seiler on WLC's Dline? Yes he is.... So my "D" player of the game would go to the refs? Sorry about that - just reporting what we, on our side of the stands, thought was not too pretty. Congrats to Albion's line they did a good job.

Question to all out there. We all hear of the smack being bantered about by the players and that is normal - I guess. Since when did the refs start talking smack? Heard of numerous barbs being tossed about by the crew this past weekend. What do you guys hear from your players?
Now, before you blast me - I am not blaming the refs for our loss(es). I know they have a hard job and never catch everything we in the stands see.  ;) Just had never heard of them mouthing off to the players before. It wasn't just at our guys either.  What have you heard?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 25, 2005, 12:10:41 pm
Albion at home vs Hope - Both teams 3-1, Hope coming off a huge win vs Adrian, Albion tromped WLC. This is the game of the week. - Albion.

Alma at home vs WLC - long drive there even longer drive home - Alma.

Olivet at home vs Kalamazoo - Kazoo huge win over Alma - Tri State scored 26 on Olivet - Both teams 2-2 - Kazoo to be 3-2.

Tri State at home vs Adrian - TS is scoring points and may get a win but not this weekend - Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on October 25, 2005, 12:12:56 pm
formerd3db:

Congrats on the Hope win! :'(   K-zoo beats Alma! ???
Things are poppin' in the MIAA!

I am glad for you and the other Dutchmen fans to see Hope put it together so well--that hotdog had to taste really good!  Had one myself in great football weather in C-ville.  Wittenberg really challenged us, as I knew they would, but the "good guys," as a team, got it done!

Again, enjoy the big win and prepare for the weekend against the Brits--we head for the mud at Gheney!

Later.    
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bizrizzo on October 25, 2005, 02:24:31 pm
wlcalum:

i was at the albion/wlc game and concur with some of your remarks. the refereeing was not the greatest, they called more holding calls on both teams in the last 5 minutes of the game, (when the score was 41-0) than in the first 55.  however, i also think that wlc did a poor job of trying to get off of blocks and if they had tried to do so, would have attracted attention to the fact that they were being held. 

every offense holds now days, but getting away with holding has a lot to do with what team you are on, and what your personal reputation is in the conference.

for instance, i recall the left tackle from alma, peters #55, a great player in the miaa who played in the d III senior bowl in mexico.  he held, but he was good at it, and had the reputation as being the best lineman in the league going into his junior and senior years. i can't recall one holding call going against him the 2 times we played. 

another would be olivet. with that many people in a compact formation, you could get blatantly held on every play and never get a call just because its too hard for the referee to see it.

i believe teams like wlc and tri-state don't get as much respect from the miaa officials in regards to "getting calls."  thats just what i have seen, and may be a reason for the umps going out of their way to get in the faces of players. i agree w/ wlcalum, the refs handled the game in an unprofessional way, bigtime.

so i'm sure i'm not the only one who has an opinion on this issue, but i had to support the minority voice in the room.

biz
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 25, 2005, 04:03:06 pm
Thanks for the input biz. Was beginning to think I was going to get a message from the admin to be nice after I scared everyone away from this board.  ;D

As I said WLC did look poor.  :-[ I think we are getting penalties to go our way, more pf's and interferance calls. Would just like to see the holding get called, it is really bad. When a guy is after the qb, running sideways with an arm pinned behind his back you would think a flag would fly from somewhere.  ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 25, 2005, 04:41:29 pm
My picks:

Albion over Hope
Alma over WLC
Adrian over TSU
Olivet over Kalamazoo

I agree that Albion/Hope is the game of the week.  I'm hoping the Dutchmen take that one, but it's a tall order.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: redman04 on October 26, 2005, 12:38:41 pm
ē Everyone vote Brett Elliott for Heisman

Did everybody see this on the front page?  If not check it out and vote!  It could do nothing but help DIII football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2005, 11:19:25 pm
to my MIAA friends:
I kept telling (some) of you who seemed to think that Alma or Adrian had this thing locked up early, that it will come down to the last couple of games for the season. :)  Looks like it is.  I will admit that the Alma-Kazoo result last weekend was the last thing I would have predicted.  However, just proves that old cliche that "...on any given Saturday...".  Reminds me of the Alma debacle at Hope a few recent years back as we've discussed previously on this board. 

Anyway, this week is huge.  Hope will have a tough time down at Albion (we always do) but not impossible to knock them off.  Just HOPING the weather is good too! ;)

BTW: I would have to agree with previous poster's comments regarding the officiating this year.  While it is easy for us "arm chairs" to sit back and criticize, I must say that the officiating with regard to holding calls this year has been very poor.  Especially agree with the comment about Olivet;  their linemen held on EVERY play and in many cases, blatently pulled Hope linemen down like in a rodeo.  Despite this being done right in front of the officials and with Hope coaching staff complaining and requesting this be carefully watched, the officials failed (or refused) to do so.  Officiating is obviously a tough job, but everyone deserves a fair and better shake than has been given, IMO.  I have other personal opinions on as to why this happened, but will refrain from commenting further - it will serve no further purpose.

Bashdad:  Thanks and congrats and good luck again this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on October 27, 2005, 11:22:00 am
I thought I would join in the discussion of the heated MIAA race.  3 games left which will decide the champ.  Who would have thought after Hope's dismal start, they would be in the thick of things as well.  Right now it is basically between Hope, Alma and Albion.  This next game between Hope and Albion will definitely show us who is still alive in the race for the championship, and who's hopes will be dashed.  I was in Wisconsin last week when Albion beat WLC.  It was basically decided in the opening minutes.  This weekend will show us who will contend for the title.

Game of the Week:  Hope @ Albion.

Hopefully you can make it to the game.  I will be there decked in my purple and gold, faced painted, cheering loudly for the Britons.  It is definitely one of the most anticipated matchups of the season.  However, all the other games on the MIAA slate are equally important.  Good luck to everyone in the MIAA!  Lets get ready to rumble  ;D
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2005, 11:00:32 am
albionmascot:
Welcome to the board.  See you at the Albion/Hope game.  Always tough to win down there, but I HOPE we break the recent string! ;).  The loser is obviously out of the race.  If Hope wins, it will most likely come down to Hope/Alma in the last game again, just like last year.  That would be truly amazing; but once again, not surprising in the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on October 28, 2005, 01:39:22 pm
Former3db did you ever play for Hope College Flying Dutchmen?  I have been here at Albion since 2001, graduate in May 06.  Anyway, have fun at the game.  If you make it there, you will know its me, because I am one of the lone guys that paints his face.  This will definitely be one of the most compelling matches of the MIAA schedule.  The race has heated up, and every team will be tested, until we will find out the true winner.  So far the conference has shaped up to be quite interesting.  Beyond the conference winner.....can, and will any of the MIAA teams be able to compete in the playoffs.  Since the playoffs expanded the MIAA has the worse percentage, 0.0%.....the MIAA looks great when it comes to basketball, but football it isn't as strong.  However, we'll see these last 3 weeks, wait for the champion and  then discuss the team that represents the MIAA will actually be able to win a game in the playoffs or not. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2005, 10:28:55 pm
albionmascot19:
Yes, I did "many moons ago" ;D.  Indeed, it should be a great game.  My college roommate's son plays for you guys (TE and special teams).  I'll look for you and as you mention, you shouldn't be hard to find ;).  I agree with you that it certainly would be great to see one of our MIAA teams win a playoff game for once and try to get back to advancing to the second round, like Albion did back in '94 when the won the Stagg.  While they were not a powerhouse and without question had some luck in a couple of the playoff games, they were a very good team with perseverance and determination, which is why they won it all.  Sometimes, a team needs a little luck now and then, regardless of its talent level, and there is nothing wrong or shameful about that.  Seems that aspect is being proven time and time again this season at all the NCAA levels.  Anyway, see you tomorrow, and may the best team win (of course, I HOPE that it is HOPE ;D.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 29, 2005, 07:51:05 am
Good luck to all teams today.  I totally agree with the above remarks about Alma, Hope, and Albion.  We'll see today who has the upper hand between Albion and Hope, as well as whether or not Alma can bounce back convincingly after the loss at Kalamazoo last week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on October 29, 2005, 05:03:49 pm
What a beautiful day it was for watching football!!
Albion played pretty well defensively today as they beat Hope 34-0.  Alma blew out Wisconsin Lutheran, after a one point loss to Kzoo last week.  Olivet squeaks by Kzoo.  And I am not aware what happened in the Tri-State/Adrian game.   Next Saturday there is a big matchup with first place on the line, and possible playoffs implications when Alma travels to Albion. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2005, 08:37:08 pm
Yes, it was a beautiful day for football, except for the outcome of the Albion/Hope game, at least for us HOPEsters :(.  First, congratulations to Albion on their win.  I would add, however, that it was a classless act for them to run a fake punt on 4th down late in the game with the outcome already decided (although not surprising :P)

Secondly, a few observations/comments on the game:  a) certainly a debacle for Hope as they did not play well and basically beat themselves.  Albion is a good team, yet certainly no powerhous and Hope could have beaten them if they had played like they did last week against Adrian, b) once again, the officiating was extremely less then stellar, to say the least.  A ton of missed (or rather more truthfully) blatantly non-made holding calls on Albion's offensive line while Hope was nailed with several, some of which were without question blatantly vindictive calls by one of the officials in particular.  Very poor showing on the latter's part; another extremely blantant incorrect call was the stealing of the ball from Hope's running back at the goal line which was allowed and awarded to Albion when forward progress should have been called and marked.  These are not excuses whatsoever as none of these would have mattered, did not effect the outcome, and Hope did not deserve to win because of their own poor play and miscues.  Moreover, failure of officials to control player tempers and some blatant foul manuvours is ridiculous and continues to happen.  Nonetheless, it is not inappropriate to mention these aspects because it is clear that the caliber of officiating in the MIAA has declined tremendously in the last 2-3 years unfortunately. :(  No excuses, just observations. 

Again, Hope did not deserve nor play well to win; poor offensive blocking and QB play returned and the secondary had one of its worst games of the year.  From our standpoint, it is difficult to understand how Hope could play so well against Adrian last week and then essentially the opposite this week.  Yet as I mentioned before, it seems that is how the season is going at all NCAA levels this year. ::)

At any rate, indeed the title game most likely will be Alma @ Albion next week.  Hope is probably eliminated at this point, although not impossible, but even if they were to win their last two games (including Alma) and Albion lose to Alma, the tiebreaker applications might not be in favor of Hope - obviously alot would need to happen.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on October 30, 2005, 12:05:05 am
Pointing our fingers to the referees isn't going to change anything.  People will always complain about the referees.  As we know they are human like anyone else.  And you know that they don't favor any one team.  If you see it from the perspective from other teams, they feel they have had some poor calls go against them as well.  Officiating is a hot button issue.  Maybe we need to go Instant Replay in DIII, if it were possible.  I think the game was played pretty good, except I would have hoped for a closer game.  On any given Saturday, anything can happen.  Regardless of how the officiating goes, the men still get on the field and play.  I think both teams played hard, however in the end there had to be a winner.  For me it was suprising of how Albion was able to take charge of the game.  The first series they were 3 and out.  When Hope got the ball, they fumbled, Albion could have had a chance to recover, but couldn't.  Then there was a pick that was thrown.  It seemed like the Briton defense made it a hard night for the quarterback.  I know we can debate this for a long time to come, but from where I was watching when Hope was at the 1 yard line it seemed that they fumbled and then we recovered.  You can give forward progress, but if you fumble the ball, it is considered a live ball and anyone can recover it.  Anyway....it was good that you were able to make it to the game.  Good luck next weekend!             
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 30, 2005, 08:04:08 am
Complaining about the refs here does not change anything - but it does make one feel better. :) Does the MIAA review the refs performances? If one were to send the tapes to the MIAA would they take action against a crew?
On that note - we had the same crew this weekend - WITH the SAME results. (Something needs to be done, this crew is horrible.) Well except for our coaches and players didn't take the same trash talk they took last weekend. Of course that led to a pf flag against both teams as retaliation for grabbing the junk set in. (is this why Alma wears the skirts?) Sorry, couldn't resist it. :-* :D Really surprised our runningback has a head left. Can guarantee his neck is black and blue as I/we saw three times his head being pulled back and a hand/fist to the throat. Guess the refs did not have the same vantage point we had!? Had numerous comment from Alma fans about those shots. They too were surprised many more flags were not thrown against both teams.

Congrats to Alma they played very well. Sun shine and warm made the 8 hour drive, one way, well worth the time. Didn't hit any deer and didn't get a speeding ticket so all is well.
I had forgotten about how good the announcer is in Alma. He keeps everyone in the game and must do lots of homework as he was right on top of every play and knew all the players names. Made the crushing almost enjoyable!!

Hope Albion was a surprise - figured Hope would make it a closer game. Olivet over Kazoo was no big upset for the middle of the road teams. The rest was as predicted. Down the home path now. Time to get on the pony for those left in the race.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 30, 2005, 06:39:56 pm
I have to agree about the refs.  Many more flags could have been thrown both ways during the WLC/Alma game.  But complaining doesn't help.

Looks like the MIAA will come down to Alma at Albion next weekend.  Alma's got some key defensive players back from injury and looked much better against WLC than they did vs. TSU and of course K.  Ths should be a great game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2005, 08:51:59 pm
miaafbfan:
You are correct - complaining about officiating doesn't help ;).  However, there is nothing wrong about disagreeing with an official's call during a game and letting them know about it, nor is it inappropriate to ask them to watch for certain aspects that are felt to be overlooked or missed.  Coaches would not be doing their job if they didn't (and, of course, the fans are entitled to this as well as we all acknowledge).  Also, I wasn't complaining about this in my post but rather commenting and relating opinion on observations on what occurred during the game. ;)

Agree with you on the Albion/Alma game being a good one.  I will have to go with Albion since they are at home, and Alma historically has had the same "jinx" there as Hope.  Yet not impossible for them to beat Albion.  Once again, I hope the weather is nice and not a factor for either team. 

I pick Hope over TSU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2005, 09:09:45 pm
Pat:

Am I reading this wrong or what? ???  The Stagg Bowl info on your website relates that the game is Sat December 18th.  In looking at this year's calender (at least the one I have for 2005), Saturday's date is December 17th.  What goes?  I am planning on attending the Stagg again this year with some colleagues and don't want to hit the wrong day/date!  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2005, 09:12:48 pm
Where?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2005, 09:32:26 pm
Pat:
Click on your Stagg Bowl link, then go to the schedule for Thur thru Sat.  That must be from last year as 2004 game was on Sat. Dec 18th!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bizrizzo on October 30, 2005, 11:13:05 pm
wlcalum

to partly answer your question about the officials being reprimanded, i am pretty sure that each coach fills out paperwork for each ref crew for each game.  how much clout those reviews of the stripes holds w/ conference big whigs--i don't know, but from the looks of it, no changes have been made.

i remember as a captain talking to the refs quite a bit concerning calling penalites, and while you may be bugging the crap out them, they at least know what to look for.

i'm going to the wlc/olivet game this weekend, and will be quite surprised to see more than 2 holding penalites against them the whole game.  i'll even keep track.

hopefully the boys can right this ship before season is done. its gonna have to be a real solid performance on our part just to have a chance.

oh yea, i pick albion
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2005, 01:16:21 am
formerd3db, that site is not part of D3football.com. I can't control the Stagg Bowl's web site. Take a look at the address at the top of the page in question, please...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 31, 2005, 08:32:28 am
bizriz
Will see you at the game. Going to the feed after the game? You know the lasagna will be good. The Cheerleaders really know how to feed the boys. Last home game for the Seniors - hope they do step it up and put on a good show.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 09:17:11 am
albionmascot and wlcalum:

Not to "beat a dead horse", however, I'll comment on the officiating issue per our discussion only one more time.  First, albionmascot, as I made it perfectly clear in my post, I was not insinuating whatsoever that the officiating had anything to do with the outcome of the game - it did not.  As you nicely reviewed, Hope did not play well to win at all; Albion is to be commended for a solid win and effort.  However, again, I'm merely pointing out the deficiency in the quality of officiating (as has some of our other posters) which has declined in the past 2-3 years as I stated.

You are correct that officials are human - that's obvious.  Yet, I would disagree with you that it is incorrect to say that some officials, on some occassions do favor a team.  When coaching staffs (or players) start questioning their calls, that human nature does take over at times unfortunately, and they start looking for any small thing to call against that certain team - even if it is borderline or questionable.  It does happen - we've all seen it many times.  Does not make it right, nor am I suggesting that officials (at least the majority of officials I believe) deliberatly make a call that would without question give the outcome of a game to a particular team.  All I'm pointing out is that it does occur where officiating will be rather vindictive against teams in some occasions, and not giving them the benefit of doubt in questionable calls where that would have been done in other situations.  Again, unfortunately, that does occur.

WLcalum, with regard to officiating reviews, I believe that is correct.  Yet also agree with you that I think most coaches, while making some comments, will not stoop to attempting to ban officials unless there is a major issure with calls (or miscalls) causing a safety concern as has been pointed out, or perhaps allowing unsportsmanlike conduct (including language) to get out of hand.  Most of the coaches (at least those I know), realize that anyone (including us fans ;)) get caught up in the emotion of the moment during the game and something that appears very horrible at that time, in reviewing it is not so bad.  On the other hand, as I mentioned, it is not inappropriate to question (or yes complain) about blatently poor officiating.  But, again, congrats to your Albion team and good luck against Alma this weekend (although for other reasons, I'll have to root for Alma! :o )  

Anyway, the bottom line is it is a human activity and some mistakes and misjudgements are always going to be made.  Until "instant reply" comes to DIII (which is unlikely ever, although not impossible so we'll avoid saying never ;)), this will always be a part of the game.  Sorry for this dissertation; I'll get off my soapbox [for] now! ;D

Wlcalum - one more thing.  Sorry, but I'll have to pick Olivet over your team this week; also Adrian as my other pick.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 09:21:22 am
Pat:
After sending my last post, I assumed that you did not have control over the Stagg website, but rather just posted what they would send out.  My apologies if it appeared I was complaining against you - I was not, nor never intended it to be that way.  But rather I appreciate you providing us with that info; it is a great service.  Thus, it appears the Stagg people have just not updated that particular page for this year yet - most of their other pages and info appear updated for this year already.  Anyway, thanks for the follow-up.  The game is definately Sat Dec 17th this year! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 09:26:24 am
Clarification:
In reply #142, the congrats on the Albion win at the end of my paragraph to wlcalum was obviously intended for albionmascot, although I was directing the entire discussion to both of you! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2005, 12:15:18 pm
Pat:
After sending my last post, I assumed that you did not have control over the Stagg website, but rather just posted what they would send out.  My apologies if it appeared I was complaining against you - I was not, nor never intended it to be that way.  But rather I appreciate you providing us with that info; it is a great service.  Thus, it appears the Stagg people have just not updated that particular page for this year yet - most of their other pages and info appear updated for this year already.  Anyway, thanks for the follow-up.  The game is definately Sat Dec 17th this year! ;)

Right, but just to be clear, what I'm saying is I do not even run that site. It's their site, odaconline.com. I can't post what they would send out because said page is not on my server. They run the site, they write it, they design it, they post what they want. When you leave d3hoops/d3football/d3sports.com I no longer have control.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 12:34:56 pm
Pat:
Got it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 31, 2005, 12:35:39 pm
Had some time on my hands - probably too much!!

Adrian wins out they are 5-2
Hope wins out they are 5-2
Olivet wins out they are 5-2
Who goes on?

On the other hand...
Albion wins 1 and losses 1 they are 5-2
Alma wins 1 and losses 1 they are 5-2
Adrian as above is also 5-2
Who goes on?

Albion and Alma hold the keys - whomever wins out - wins it all.

My picks later this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 12:46:49 pm
wlcalum:
I seem to have that same time situation today too!  I don't have time right now to really figure this out, but will just make a quick general comment.  In the scenarios you present, it obviously will come down to the tiebreaker system regarding points scored against each other.  Hope crushed Adrian, but lost to Olivet by 7, and Adrian lost to Olivet by 6.  So would Hope go?

Perhaps someone else can take the few minutes to evalute the scenarios you gave and let us know what might occur.  The other one, probably can't be worked out until the scores of the games to take place are known.  You are right that if either Albion or Alma win out, they go.  One thing I'm sure of is that no second place MIAA team will get in the playoffs with 2 losses - there are too many other better teams in other regions that would have 2 losses the NCAA would chose from.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 31, 2005, 03:05:16 pm
I agree fd3db - there will not be two teams from the MIAA that go on. I pray, that whoever does go on, will represent well with a couple of wins. It is time to get off our 0-for slide.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: msmith0076 on November 01, 2005, 10:47:06 am
The only team that would have gotten in being in 2nd is Alm, had they not lost to K and only lost to Hope or Albion.  With regards to the playoffs the conference is in trouble, assuming the non-league performances are an indication of the leagues overall strength.  With this in mind Alma will go to the Stagg Bowl and pigs will fly.  This will be accompanied by hell freezing over and a female president.  Any other predictions???
GO SCOTS!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 01, 2005, 03:48:06 pm
There is no way two MIAA teams will go on this year.  As is, our champ will have a tough time winning in round one.  I also agree that the MIAA is in serious trouble in the post season.  The MIAA is viewed as a weak conference.  A team to make a decent run in the playoffs is badly needed.  I think the league would be better off this year if Alma ended up as champ.  Before you Albion fans start typing an angry reply, hear me out.  I'm not ripping on Albion (or anybody else).  Alma has the best non conference record and schedule of anybody, Adrian included.  Seeding is an important part of playoff success, and Alma has a better chance at a better playoff spot this year if they win out.  Now if Albion happens to get the nod, I will be behind the Brits 100%.  I'll post my picks for the week later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2005, 06:41:38 pm
I doubt highly that Alma would even get in if they came in second regardless of the scenario you posted or otherwise.  While they may have the best non-conference record, it is still not considered that good based on who they played.  AU is a lower tier team, Witt is having a bad year and Tiffin, well...DII, and that really isn't taken into consideration.

We've all discussed this previously on here in the past, however, I have to agree with you all.  Until the MIAA teams start playing and beating some of the higher tier non-conf foes, they will not get far in the playoffs.  That takes a long time to develop, both attitutde and talent wise.  With Hope playing the likes of Wheaton, DePauw, John Carroll (althoug the latter has been in a rebuilding mode as well; and now Central, Iowa on the schedule for next couple of years (and in the past Wabash, Wooster), and Alma playing some DII teams, others like Albion and Wis Luth (and Hope in the past) playing the DIAA non-scholarships such as Butler and Valpo, that could help, yet they have to do it on a regular basis rather than just a game or two here and there so to speak.  Of course, Butler has been like a lower tier DIII team in recent years, but Albion should con't the series in my opinion.  The other teams need to improve the non-conf foes - come on, look at Adrian beating up on the likes of Hiram, Heidleburg, etc.  Olivet has done faily well by scheduling some of the OAC teams like OWU, the latter which has started to improve too.  But, until MIAA's beat some of the higher tier DIII teams in non-conf, or play them close regularly, they are not going to develop the "attitude" necessary to go on to the next level.  And the other factor is, your team has to have the basic talent to move on, and they way most of our teams are playing of recent, that's not going to happen.  A lot of generalalities in my comments, I realize, yet just MHO ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 02, 2005, 08:46:00 am
Why do you think the MIAA cannot win in the post season? WLC and TS are just starting programs and have no name made for themselves. Most everyone has heard of the city Kalamazoo because the name is cool - do they not know a college is there? As for the three "A's", Hope and Olivet - (no slam here) never heard of them prior to football. Is this the problem - no name recognition beyond the home field. So much great football in Michigan all the better players would rather sit the bench in D1?

Should the MIAA put together a panel to help with recruiting? By that I mean not just recruiting for your school but for all the schools - and not just for sports but for students. Does the MIAA need to study the top tier conferences to see how they are successful every year?

Does DIII football need to change to allow redshirting and sports related scholarships to attract the better players?

Just some ideas - what do you think?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 02, 2005, 01:21:34 pm
wlcalum:

Does DIII football need to change to allow redshirting and sports related scholarships to attract the better players?
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If NCAA allows D-III programs "redshirting and sports related scholarships," then D-III football as we know it "goes out the window."  As you may know, medical redshirts are still permissible in D-III.  Remove other restraints and the beauty and spirit of competitive football for the true scholar-athlete at the college level disappears.  It would become a "bidding war."   The playing field would be even more uneven than it is now.  Just my two cents...       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 02, 2005, 04:49:12 pm
D-III wouldn't be D-III if scholarships came into the picture.  I love college football at this level because the players are student athletes with the emphasis on "student."  They play because they love the game and they love their school.  It's not corrupt like at the other levels.  It should stay as it is.

As for the MIAA, I think the respective schools need to beef up their non conference schedules.  Formerd3db explained it well.  It's a change in mindset that needs to occur for the MIAA to get some respect in the realm of D-III football.  In many other ways, the MIAA schools do very well.  Albion, Alma, Hope, and Kalamazoo are all nationally recognized academically.  The others also earn respect in that way as well.  In other sports, the MIAA is consistently competitive at  the regional and national levels.  Let's hope football can be added to that list soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: b4uknewit on November 02, 2005, 06:54:08 pm
former-- always nice to talk to you bro   ;D)GO MTU Huskies! and of course Ferris State Bulldogs! catch ya later eh-- Da yooper
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 03, 2005, 08:47:50 am
Yep - I went too far.  :-[ Should never have typed paragraph three as I agree - DIII football is because it is pure. Sorry!

Picks for the week

Kalamazoo at Adrian - Adrian wins out and they have a chance. Kazoo hurt Alma and can do the same to Adrian.
Going with the home team Adrian - but don't be surprised...

Alma at Adrian - both teams NEED this win, only one will get it. Going with the home team again, Adrian.

Hope at Tri State - Should I make it three for three going with the home team? I would HOPE not. Sorry Tri State.

Olivet at Wisconsin Lutheran - Olivet needs to win out to have an outside chance. WLC can spoil that chance. I am going with the heart and not the head - WLC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 03, 2005, 10:16:17 am
wlcalum:

You need to look at your MIAA picks--Alma plays at Albion this Saturday, your earlier pairing is correct--Adrian plays Kalamazoo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 03, 2005, 11:56:55 am
You guessed it I'm an idiot  :-[ I still am going with the home team ALBION. Thanks BashDad for keeping my honest.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 03, 2005, 03:27:37 pm
My picks:

Adrian over Kalamazoo
Hope over Tri-State
Olivet over Wisconsin Lutheran


And the game of the week:

Alma over Albion in a close one
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 03, 2005, 07:37:10 pm
My picks for this week:

Hope over Tri-State
Adrian over Kazoo
Olivet over Wis Luth
Albion over Alma (it's at Albion ;D)

b4uknewit:
Thanks and same goes from me to you friend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 04, 2005, 02:15:56 pm
formerd3db:

Yes, it looks like Hope and Adrian will be looking from the outside in come playoff time. :(  I will look forward to the Hope/Tri-State score to see how your Dutchmen feel about themselves as the end of season nears--I hope to see "real good!"

Thanks for your thoughts expressed on the NCAC board regarding Wabash's upcoming Denison game.  Wabash has been playing so well and can't let down now.  Besides, the Bell game is next.  We need to go into "green-dingle" on a high.  When we whomp DePauw, I'll remember that we'll also be paying them back for the loss that Hope suffered to them in Holland early in the season. :)  Still, that game is more than one week away--one game at a time!  The Little Giants will be ready for "senior day" tomorrow...60's tomorrow in Crawfordsville (but with 50% chance of thundershowers!)--please keep the cold weather up in your neck of the woods for another eight days!

Later, friend.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 05, 2005, 05:09:54 pm
A wild and crazy week of MIAA football this week.  I was at the Albion game, it was over early.  The offense definitely stepped it up today.  Albion cruised by Alma  66-27.  As most people would have predicted, Adrian blew out Kalamazoo 42-10, and Hope disposes Tri-State 42-10 as well.  Finally Olivet, stays in this crazy MIAA race with a 28-14 win over Wisconsin Lutheran.  It all goes down to next week.  Albion travels to Olivet to play the Comets, for a key MIAA matchup.  An Albion win, and they are in, otherwise, it is a big mess...and can you tell me who would win then?  For us Britons fans, we are hoping they can take care of business against the Comets.  Next Saturday is tabbed as "Redemption" Saturday.  MIAA Game of the Week: Albion @ Olivet.  However the other games are important as well, depending on the result of the Albion game.  A crazy race, one more week to go.  Good luck everyone in the MIAA!

By the way hope you all enjoyed the nice weather!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 05, 2005, 08:28:13 pm
What a crazy good game at WLC. Thunder and lightning a fumble on the four with three int's to end the game. WLC was in it to nearly the end. No fumble on the four yard line and the win could have gone to WLC. Great game for the seniors - Seiler collects 12 tackles, 1.5 sacks, and one tackle for lost yards - not bad for a three man line. Lepke did equally as well. Both seniors showing what they were made of.

What happened in Albian? Did not expect a blow out there! Other games ended as expected. Next week decides it all. See you in Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 06, 2005, 08:09:09 am
I didn't expect a blowout either.  Congrats to the Britons on a convincing win.  The title is theirs to lose.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2005, 09:49:38 pm
Hate to say (once again ;D) I told you so, but..."I told [some of] you guys so!".  Neither Alma (nor Adrian) had this thing wrapped up early in the season.  I predicted it would come down to the last weekend (again this year) and it has.  As you guys have pointed out, the AQ is Albion's to lose.  If Olivet upsets them again this year (which will be a tough act to repeat), it will indeed throw this thing into a "mess" to sort out with the tiebreaker system.

I was "on" in all my picks for this week (although not hard to do for anyone, I guess :P); figured Albion would win with the way they have been playing of late.  However, like most of you, I was shocked at the pasting they administered.  Alma, no doubt, will be determined for the occasion next week and although it is at our place, Hope needs to have their best game of the season and continue the momentum of this week for a win.  If Albion wins it all, hopefully their momentum will carry over into the playoffs for the sake of our MIAA.  Yet if they do make it in, it remains to be seen how they fare against further (and tougher) outside competition.  Hopefully, better than their two non-conf losses showed.  We shall see. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 08, 2005, 11:13:01 am
Picks for the final week: (for all but one)

Albion@Olivet - Albion should have no problem here and secure the AQ.

Alma@Hope - The battle for second - and an outside chance for the AQ shoulds Albion fall? Going with Alma. (they were picked to finish first with Hope third)

WLC@Adrian - Last year Adrian traveled to WLC and got beat - yes... that was last year. Adrian gets the W.

Tri State@Kalamazoo - Sorry TS no wins this year. Kalamazoo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 08, 2005, 12:52:32 pm
This Saturday will be for all the marbles.  Albion travels down to Olivet College to try and capture the MIAA Championship Outright.  We will see what happens.  The last 5 games here in Albion we've seen an inspired Britons team take it to each and every opponent.  As far as I am concerned, this Saturday is labeled as "Redemption."  Albion has to continue to play their stellar defense, and their offense has to continue their onslaught on their opponents.  This has been a fun and exciting MIAA race.  Lets see what happens this Saturday.  The team that wins, better take that momentum into the playoffs.  Since the playoffs expanded we haven't had even one win.  Around the country when people look at our conference, I totally agree that they see it as weak.  This year it has pretty competitive.  However, no MIAA team is ranked in the region.  I feel the past is the past.  This is a new year, and we will have one team totally fired up, and will take care of businesses, and be competitive in the playoff field.  You can't only lose for so long, until you just have to pull through.  Hope everyone the best for this upcoming weekend!  By the way   Forrmerd3db: What guy on Albion is your former roommate's son.....just a curious question.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 08, 2005, 02:09:36 pm
The  former roomates son is the brother of the sister-inl-aw's cousin's neighbor. At least that is what I heard.  :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2005, 05:27:21 pm
Yes, it has been a wild year in the MIAA, although realistically, it really shouldn't be all that surprising to any of us!

Anyway, my pick's for Sat:

Albion @ Olivet: Albion.  While Olivet pulled the great upset last year, and despite this being at Olivet, Albion's play of recent will be too strong.

Alma @ Hope:  Alma, reeling from being pasted last week by Albion, will be more determined than ever for a shot at the title, should Albion lose.  However, despite this, I can't go against my alma mater Hope.  I HOPE we rise to the  occasion at home! :)

WLC @ Adrian:  Adrian; they're at home and WLC status "not quite there yet" this year.  Sorry, WLCalum  :o

Tri-State @ Kazoo:  Kazoo; Kazoo not great but improved, and after beating Alma and with the state of TSU at present, have to go with the big "K".


albionmascot:  #80.  Good luck this weekend.  Hope you enjoy the game.  Always an outside chance that it just might be a tighter one than most may think, but as you say, "we'll see what happens". ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2005, 05:39:07 pm
I agree that Albion will probably win, but, just for the chaos, I'm rooting for Olivet!

Probable FOUR-way tie!  Anyone got a clue on the AQ if so?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2005, 08:17:59 pm
Mr. Ypsi:

I agree with you! ;D (sorry Albion fans :P)  Anyway, I have not taken the time to figure out the potential tiebreaker aspects for the AQ should a three or four way tie occur.  Obviously, it would depend on the point spreads of the results - but as you mention, that could be "somewhat" caotic, although perhaps not since Albion scored 66 against Alma, 34 against Hope, and Alma just got by Adrian, Hope smashed Adrian, Olivet beat Hope by a small margin, etc, etc.  My guess is that it still would be Albion if Olivet just barely beats them, and it would then depend on how much Alma might be Hope by or vice, versa!  It will be interesting if that occurs, I would say for sure!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 08, 2005, 09:54:36 pm
This is how it breaks down, Albion wins, they get the title outright.  An Albion loss, coupled with an Adrian loss would still put Albion in the playoffs.  However if Albion lost and Adrian winS, Adrian is in.   Looks like its Albion's title to win, as long as they pull it out on Saturday.  They have played exceptional defense in 6 league games they are giving up 10.6 points, while scoring at a 47.5 clip.  Albion will be faced with a new type of offense which primary focus is rushing the ball.  The biggest threat Olivet has is Travis Sleight.  Last week he put up 201 rushing yards and two touchdowns.  In his career he has 50 touchdowns.  However I cant emphasis enough how the defense has stepped up.  The 6 conference games have now set them up to claim their first championship outright since 2001.  We will see how it shapes up after Saturday's games are in the books. Lets hope the weather will hold up this upcoming weekend! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2005, 10:13:48 pm
albino,

So Olivet, Alma, and Hope are all already eliminated?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: msmith0076 on November 09, 2005, 12:17:25 pm
Correction albinomascot, if Albion and Adrian lose Alma goes to the playoffs.  The first tiebreaker is head-to-head, the second is overall record.  So, if Albion loses and Adrian as well then there is a 3 way tie.  Each team will have beaten one another (alma over olivet, olivet over albion, and albion over alma) so it goes to overall record.  This all hinges on an alma win...hope is not going to the playoffs and adrian and albion aren't losing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 09, 2005, 04:40:34 pm
Lots of second guessing here.  I think Albion's got things under control, however.  But for the sake of keeping things interesting, I'm pulling for the Comets.  But just like my wishes for the Scots last week, it's probably not very realistic.

My picks for the week:

Albion @ Olivet:  Albion
Alma @ Hope:  Alma
Tri-State @ Kalamazoo:  Kalamazoo
Wisconson Lutheran @ Adrian:  Adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 09, 2005, 06:46:22 pm
It is interesting when more than one team comes out of a conference in the playoffs.  I know the MIAA is looked as one of the weaker conferences.  What we need is competition, and some wins in the playoffs, and better regional records, and then someday hopefully we can see two teams from the MIAA to go to the playoffs.  Right now the team that represents the MIAA, better win, and show the nation and that we are as good as anyone else.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2005, 09:25:13 pm
albionmascot:
How do you figure that?  If Alma wins, and Albion loses, Alma only then has two league losses  and would they not go by virture of having beat Adrian and Hope, even though they lost to Albion?  Overall record might not count there since I am not sure the NCAA considers games against DII foes?  If the first tie-breaker is head to head, are you talking about "who beats who" or the point spread?  Guess it depends on which teams would be in the tie.  I need to sit down and figure this out on paper! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2005, 09:49:34 pm
I think I may have this figured out ???  Here goes "that old college try!"

If Albion wins, they get the AQ obviously.

A three-way tie occurs if:
If Albion loses, they are 5-2 in conf with loses to Adrian (by 3 pts) and Olivet by?
   Adrian wins, they are 5-2 in conf with loses to Alma (by 3 pts) and Hope by 21
   Alma wins, they are 5-2 in conf with loses to Albion (by 39) and Kazoo by 1

Adrian would go since they beat Albion by 3 even though Alma beat Adrian by 3 but Alma lost to Albion by 39;?  Do you all agree or am I missing something?  I'm not sure that Alma can get in now (again, DII loss might not count; as the MIAA title is determined by league wins/loses according to the MIAA website).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2005, 09:55:43 pm
But you left off if Hope wins!

Is Olivet out of any possible tie-breaker?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2005, 11:44:04 pm
Oh yeah. 

If Hope wins, I'm not sure they (uh, we ;)) get in as Hope would have lost to Albion by 34, beaten Adrian by 34, lost to Olivet by 7; while Adrian would have beaten Albion by 3, and only lost to Olivet by 6.  So I don't think Hope gets in based on that head to head comparison.

On the other hand, if Olivet wins, they will be 5-2, beating Adrian by 6, Hope by 7, and I guess that would depend how much they beat Albion by.  They would potentially go since they beat Adrian if both they and Adrian tie with 5-2 records? ???

Man, this gets crazy.  What do you think? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2005, 11:44:47 pm
correction:
Hope beat Adrian by 21.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 10, 2005, 08:56:18 am
If the three "A's" lose - Albion, Hope and Olivet would be 5-2. I would think Olivet would go as they would have beaten Albion and Hope has lost to Albion and Olivet.

You know this is kind of fun.

Whomever takes it - best of luck in the post season and go out and get a couple of wins for the MIAA!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 10, 2005, 02:29:28 pm
formerd3db:

It is crazy, but will sort itself out--best of luck to Hope this weekend as they contribute to the complication!  Alma will come in mad, though, after their thrashing by Albion.  I do hope the Dutchmen will have the answer. 

Wabash has its hands full with the Bell Game, one boy I know, along with the other seniors, want nothing less than to bring the Bell back to Crawfordsville before their playing days are done.  It's all very exciting and the smack-talking between fans is about what you would expect--I've finally mellowed out and am "remaining on the sidelines" and not getting involved in all that. ;)  It should be a good ballgame on Saturday.  I can't wait for gametime action to get here!  Supposed to be good, crisp fall weather in Indiana, hope the same is true for those of you in Michigan. 

Great time of year!  Best of luck to all d3 football teams in action this weekend--and my best wishes for excellent and safe football play for all!  Fond memories of MIAA football--whoever represents them this year, I wish them luck--unless they are playing Wabash!

Later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 10, 2005, 04:00:45 pm
All these tiebreakers can be thrown out if Albion beats Olivet.  I know the guys will definitely be pumped up, and trying to redeem themselves from the loss against Olivet last year.  We will see how it all shapes up after the games on Saturday.  I would have loved to watch the Albion/Olivet game, but I will be going to the Central Michigan/Western Michigan game.  I know we're definitely going to have a lot of people from our college at the game in Olivet this weekend.   Anyway, good luck to everyone in the MIAA......first things, Albion wins, they get the AQ-----otherwise.....we'll see......what else is to follow...     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2005, 07:13:35 pm
Bashdad:
Thanks, and best wishes to you and 'Bash this weekend.  It wil be an exciting time for sure as you note; dress warm, but hopefully the rain will stay away.  Yes, the MIAA "craziness" will all be sorted out this weekend.  As the others have noted, if Albion wins, then it's settled.  Crazier things have happend.  Again, have a great time this weekend.  Talk to you later.

ablionmascot:
What? ??? You're blowing off your team's potential title game to go to Central MI/Western MI? ;D  That Olivet/Albion game last year was a barnburner and tremendously exciting game.  I remember last year at the Hope/Alma game, we kept hearing the updates and it was entertaining to hear the cheers/groans as that score "swapfest" kept being updated/announced!  Anyway, the Central/Western game is a great longtime rivalry as well (I've been to that before) so I'm sure you'll enjoy a good game and day there as well.  As for missing your Albion game, I guess that's probably okay since most likely your team will win and I'm sure you're banking on that.  I agree with you that it is less probable that Olivet can repeat what they did last year, however, it is not impossible and the strangest things do occur as we all know.

Whatever the outcomes of everyone's games this Sat, I HOPE everyone enjoys the day.  It has been a rather exciting (albeit) strange and "rollercoaster" season in the MIAA this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 10, 2005, 08:17:32 pm
Well my friends had made plans to come down to Western.  My buddy ryan who I have known for 11 years is moving to Florida probably, so it will be our last hurrah.....me, Mike and Ryan, friends for 11 years.  My buddy is coming all the way from Alpena to Troy.  Tomorrow gotta go back home, and then everyone is riding with me tomm night to Western.  Not actually going to the game, just tailgating and hanging out.  I have no interest in going, but my friends want to get together for the last time in a while.  So it will be nice, however I am going to try to detour the plans and try to catch at least half of the Albion/Olivet game.  I know people that have never been to an Albion game, will be there as well.  There is so much support behind this team this year, its remarkable.  I am hoping one of my buddies will be able to inform me of the Albion score on Saturday if I can't catch any of it.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 11, 2005, 01:59:35 pm
The world is coming to an end. A self proclaimed "mascot" and an alum will skip a title game to tailgate with friends. Woe is me to see the end so near.  :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 12, 2005, 08:43:19 am
Good luck to all teams today (especially Olivet, Alma, and WLC)!  Let's keep things interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jdean on November 12, 2005, 06:37:49 pm
Snce no one seems to be posting on this board, I went to the college site to find that Albion won today 36-19.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2005, 07:07:18 pm
jdean:
Yeah, that's kind of  :( and  :-[ (ing).  Except for the UAA board which has been almost dormant, we've not been much busier.

Anyway, you are right.  Albion leaves not doubt or confusion for anyone by winning the title outright and the AQ.  Congrats to Albion.  For those who haven't seen the day's MIAA results, they are as follows:

Albion 36 Olivet 19
Adrian 31 Wis Luth 14
Kazoo 41 Tri State 14
Hope 38 Alma 20   

Wow, I am very surprised (but obviously very happy :) that Hope beat Alma today.  I am equally surprised, though, at Alma's collapse the last few weeks.  They had a chance to wrap it up early, as did Adrian, especially with the way Albion started out the season.  But give credit to the Britons who have seemed to get better each week.  Hope finally decided it wanted to get serious, but too little, too late.  While not a great team this year in all honesty, we did, however, have chances to win the league games we lost, but again did not deserve to.

Olivet fared better than some thought, Kazoo was respectable considering a very, very big rebuilding year for them along with a new coach.  Wis Luth a tough season and even more so to say the least for Tri State.  Hopefully, the latter can start improving - I can't understand why they are so down in recent years after being a rather tough NAIA scholarship team at least one of the years a few years ago.  As for our friends at Adrian, what can you say? ???  They have this pattern of starting out great, then talking the slide.  Like I've said before, they need to beef up their non-conf schedule to be more competitive, and while they might take a beating doing that for the first couple of years or so, I believe it would help them in the end and future.

Although we'll be rooting for Albion as our MIAA representative, realistically, it will be a tough road for them to advance.  However, as we've all said, anything can happen.   They just might get some luck (which any team needs in the playoffs from time to time regardless of who they are), but I would just add that Albion need alot more of it than they had way back in 1994 when they won the Stagg.  But we'll see what happens.

BTW, congrats to Wabash and Union (NY) on undefeated regualr seasons!  That's awesome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2005, 07:10:43 pm
Correction:
"A Typo", my bad. ::)  Kazoo score is Kazoo 41 Tri-State 40 (not 14).  Kazoo wins in a squeaker.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on November 12, 2005, 08:35:00 pm
Hmmm!
If Hope had somehow gotten past Olivet they would have had respectible season, under the "off year" circumstances. Too bad... Must feel good after the win today, and looking forward to next year. Only a dozen or so seniors leaving, with just a few holes to fill DE, K, OL... I think they'll be OK. Congrats to the Brits. Bring back a few W's from the NCAA!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2005, 09:35:48 pm
realhopefan:
Yes, I concur with you.  The Olivet game was a stinger and disappointment.  Yet, theorizing that if Hope had beaten Olivet, with all the other games remaining the same including the Albion loss, the latter would still be going most likely due to point differential against the other teams I believe.  Obviously, it doesn't matter at this point, anyway. ::)  But yes, hopefully, Albion can press on to represent our league and get past the first round at least.

As far as Hope, they should have a good nucleus, yet a very BIG question mark will be the QB position.  This season's backup QB has good skills and potential, however, the lack of playing time for him this year having been behind the now-departing Schwander will be a a slight hindering factor to begin with, although not impossible to overcome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 13, 2005, 01:33:21 am
My congrats to Albion also. A win in the post season is what the MIAA needs.

What a game played in Adrian... This was one of the toughest hitting games I have ever watched. Congrats to the kicker who with a minute left in the game kicks a FG for the school record in a season. Congrats also to the Adrian coaching staff who ran across the field to remove some gangsta wannabees from behind our bench.. very poor showing from a fan prospective.. Words of wisdom to Taz (TO) Wallace. I have admired your "stats from afar... I now see the reson your stats are so good is because of your dline. May you one day grow up and not let your flapping mouth overload your pea size brain. There is no room for the amount of showboating you present in a game. I am embarrased to admit I ONCE admired your stats. :-[
To #19 - even though Seiler wears #57 he is a dlineman. You learned today you cannot come across the field to block him. I could have swore after Seiler hit you every joint in your body was dislocated!  :o Way to get back up. I would have called for an ambulance.  :'( Some truely awesome hits in the middle of the field... each teams got in their licks. My ears are still ringing from the popping of the pads.

Next question... who are your picks for first team MIAA? It is too late/early for me to post my guesses. Will work on that later today.

Congrats to all teams for a hard fought MIAA season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 13, 2005, 03:01:56 pm
Looks like Albion's going to have a rough game on their hands.  The trip to Wabash won't be an easy one, but I think it's safe to say that Albion is playing the best football in the league right now.  Here's hoping they can come away with a much needed playoff win for the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2005, 09:12:24 pm
bulldogalum:
Agree with you.


BTW, where is ADAWG? ???  We haven't heard from you, friend.  Now that the season is over, you can post again. ;D

Also, any of you other MIAA (i.e. non-Albion fans) fans planning on going down to C'ville for the game to support our MIAA representative?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 13, 2005, 09:59:49 pm
 As an old OAC dog who misses matching up with you guys, good luck against Wabash this week. They are good team and a fine representative from a conference that I have little or no respect for. So best of luck luck against the representative from the Non Competetive  Athletic ???Conference. Remember, Wabash had to beat out KENYON to get this bid. lol
All seriousness aside, I would like to see some new and different matchups in this year's platoff
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2005, 11:40:58 pm
formerd3db:

Its great to be back, the season long absence is a tough one for me to endure, but I was busy with coaching and carrying the title of video coordinator as well.  It was a good season all across the MIAA with some very competetive play from everyone all the way to WLC, one of the best 1-9 teams around.  LOts of talent, lots of stats lots of playmakers, it seems even with Albion winning the title that there is more parity in the league than in the past.  Just hoping that at this point with Albion and their strong play as of late that hopefully they can get a win in the first round at the least and maybe make some more noise than that.  As for some things that bothered me over the season, I still dont see eye to eye on the arguments for a tougher non league schedule.  It will do us no good whatsoever I understand taht it looks better on the schedule but as far as stopping the eventual "slide" of Adrian College I dont see that as a fix.  When you look at the schedules in the League this year no one had a more difficult run than us, going from Albion to Alma at Home, Olivet at home and then Hope on the road.  No one else took on the top 4 in order as we did.  Hope was an asskicking no doubt about that, we showed up and expected to win and found out what happens when you dont come to play.  As for Alma, they were a great defense against us, but it is hard to win a game minus your starting qb.  The slide as has been refered to was a 5-2 finish, if we have come from my freshman year of beating a WLC team 13-12 to now being dissapointed at 8-2 I will take it.  Injuries are what hurt everyone, look at Alma dropping to K, and by the same token it is my belief not that it carries much weight that the non league schedule of tough teams puts you in a beat up state of affairs going into the league and that is not needed in the MIAA.  That was my big sticking point im glad to be able to post again, albeit I will be on a much more self restricted shorter leash.  Not that I ever stepped on toes before, but im not gonna try to start now.  Congrats to all the teams in the league this year and good luck to the Brits in the playoffs, get a win, make some noise and make the MIAA proud.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 14, 2005, 12:24:46 am
On to Crawfordsville, where it will be the hardest test yet for the Britons.  It was an exciting Conference schedule, now the Britons have to go to continue to play their stellar offense and defense.  Wabash comes in the game 10-0, and Albion 7-3.  The all time series is 17-17-1.  Last game at Wabash, Albion won 26-0 in 1996 under the late great Coach Pete Schmidt.  This is the new look Britons.  Definitely they need to come out strong right from the start.  We need this team to make some noise.  I will be in Indiana on Saturday.  We will see how everything turns out.   If anyone needs a ride to the game, I can help out anyone who wants to go, but doesn't have transportation.  The season was exciting, lets now focus on the Playoffs.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 14, 2005, 02:49:29 pm
formerd3db:

Thanks for your congrats to Wabash in the Bell Game, a super tough game, but--The Bell is back home!  I was really pleased to see that Hope was able to handle Alma to end on the high note! 

Will be neat to see an MIAA team in the first round of the playoffs in Crawfordsville. Other than K-College, I haven't seen a team from the MIAA play since travelling across state from Terre Haute to see the Bulldogs play in Defiance in the early 70's after I left Adrian.   As you say, Albion seems to be playing well, their stats look good and balanced.  The L'il Giants will be ready, Albion better bring their best game (I expect they will).  Should be a good one.  I hope you are able to make it down for the game, it would be great to meet you in person.  If so, I will be tail-gateing by the tracks behind Hollett  from about 10:30 (3+ hour drive for me from Evansville and Evansville is on Central Time!), and will be in the stands (front of pressbox) watching teams warm-up after about 11:15.  If you do come,  look me up, it would be great to meet you.  Just look for the oldest guy around with a Hemingway beard--that's me.   

 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: smedindy on November 14, 2005, 03:59:36 pm
It will be good to see Albion again. I made a couple of trips up there back when we had a good series going on - good fans and good football. Hope you bring some people down with you all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 14, 2005, 06:15:39 pm
Yeah I know I will definitely be there.  Look for a guy with his face painted (purple).  I am also indian, and not hard to spot lol.....anyway, I am trying to see if any of my buddies want to come with me.  I know its only 8 dollars a ticket.  I called Wabash College Bookstore, and they told me they already sent out the tickets to our college, but have not heard one word of them yet, or where to get them.  I know you can buy them from Wabash online.....and pick them up in person, but order them online by going to www.wabash.edu/bookstore   Anyway, yeah I will be there.....you know if it is me......painted face, albion college shirt......and I am 22...and a 5th year senior at albion college.....and hey how about this free pizza on me.....or something lol.....anyway it should be an interesting game, we'll see how things pan out.....just want to see a great game!  I will see you all there!

TJ
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2005, 07:38:28 pm
ADAWG:
Good to have you "back".  I think you are  right about the parity issues.  I tend to disagree a bit regading the non-league aspects, though.  Injuires are part of the game anytime, whether non-conf or conf.  When I played "way back when", playing up against DII schools was a plus I believe.  Yes, it is taking a risk regarding a physical beating and it takes a few years to elevate to that next level as far as recruiting for that level of play.  However, overall, with regards to all enclusive talent level on one's team, improvement can occur and the attitudes do as well.  While I like the parity in the MIAA (to some extent i.e. of course, I'd rather see Hope beating up on everyone ;D!), I truly believe that the MIAA needs to beef up the non-conf schedules in order to be competitive in the playoffs against the regional teams.  I love the MIAA, but it has taken a slide perhaps from the late '70's - 80's, early '90's on a national basis, except not forgetting Albion's national championship in '94.  Just MO, though.  Keep in touch.

Bashdad:
Good to hear from you.  Agree with your commentary.  I am seriously thinking about making the trip down.  I'll keep you posted.  My college roommate's son plays for Albion, so that is an enticement, along with the possibility of getting my brother to come along as well.  Do I need to purchase tickets in advance, or will it be okay to wait until game time? ???

albionmascot:
If I make it down, will try to look you up too.  Good luck and have a safe trip.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on November 14, 2005, 07:54:24 pm
I would think you should be OK getting tickets at the gate.  I hope to see the home stands filled, but I expect there will be plenty of room on the visitor side (Albion, feel free to prove me wrong!).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 14, 2005, 08:26:04 pm
Well......I heard they already sent tickets to our college but havent heard anything......so I will have it probably get them online and pick them up in person.  All I know is I need a ticket.  8 dollars for adults, 4 dollars for students.

Lets all remember Mt. Union is in the bracket as well, but we'll see how Saturday shakes up
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 14, 2005, 11:20:27 pm
formerd3db:

Not that i totally disagree with you on the fact of non league play, i would like to see us play some more competitve schools which are nationally known but on the same level as MIAA. However as far as recruiting for that level of play (i.e. vs. OAC etc) the fact that we as Division III schools in michigan are recruiting against the best DII conference in the country hampers our efforts.  THis is an overall talent issue, league wide as most teams are on the same level as Adrian as shown in games and show the same drop off from first team to second team.  The fact is that in the OAC aside from teams like Mount Union Fielding over 200 players on their team they are able to get DII talent because of the fact that they have only three DII's in state.  It is commendable to play some of the UW schools, as well as OAC's and NCAC, but the fact on top of that also is that we operate on a different playing level.  The MIAA chooses to give us only 9 scheduled off season practices and does not allow us the use of a football.  The other conferences we are playing allow for 15 practices with a football, this puts us at a huge disadvantage as far as competitve issues are concerened.  What we spend time on in the first days of camps is what they already have done in the spring.  I think that factor is a large one as well, if we as a conference want to be competitive nation wide and make some noise, the powers that be need to allow us equal footing with the competetion.  Looking at teams from the past I would agree with you, the league did have a stronger national footing in years past as well as playing more teams outrside the regioun, but i think as a whole teams are having a hard tiem fielding games against anything but the top tier teams. Hope being a prime example witha v ery ambitious schedule and with Albion doing the same.  I think with the changes coming at Adrian that the same changes will come, but all in due time.  Let us remember, patience is  a virtue....on top of the fact that im now jsut rambling but the practice issue is a large one hindering efforts and the GLIAC is not helping in the pursuit of national dominance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2005, 11:34:13 pm
ADAWG:
You make some very valid points.  I unintentionally overlooked some of those other factors such as the practice issues and yes, the DII recruiting factor.  Those latter two I agree with you have some definitie bearing on this.  Moreover, another significant factor is the ever increasing cost of tuition.  While MIAA schools are less expensive than most of the Ohio and Indiana DIII's, the cost of small liberal arts education is getting much more difficult for many families to afford.  This obviously will limit many good players from enrolling.  Economics is huge (and certainly, Adrian - and Albion surprisingly - is feeling that very much now it is my understanding, unfortunately.  I was shocked to see Adrian's enrollment dipped below 1000 this year.  I don't believe that has happened for many years, although I could be wrong.

Still, strong programs attract huge numbers of players Hope >140 the past several years and same for Albion.  Yet, the Mount Union and some of the other Ohio schools situation is different as you mention due to the DII aspect; although that is changing to with more DII schools developing in Ohio and the mid-west in recent years.  Anyway, the bottom line is that the MIAA needs to continue to strive for these improvements as you mention.  But some of that is limited by the rules of the league as you correctly point out.  Thanks for your opinion; always respected.

wabashcpa:
Thanks for the follow-up. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 15, 2005, 03:14:26 pm
Very tempting to make the trip down to Crawfordsville this weekend, and there are all sorts of reasons to go.  Unfortunately, it looks as though I'll be very busy, and I probably won't be able to afford the 11-hour roundtrip drive.  We'll see. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 15, 2005, 06:51:16 pm
Wabash press release on this Saturday's playoff game...

http://www.wabash.edu/sports/docs/Nov%2015%202005%20Release.pdf
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: b4uknewit on November 15, 2005, 08:22:33 pm
formerd3-- just saw anESPN Classic of Us against   you know      them(OSU)   we lost :-[ hope this ain't a bad omen :-X  Best of luck to your Conf. in the playoffs! ROLL~~RAIDERS ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 15, 2005, 08:27:47 pm
I watched that game too.  Painful game to watch.  Ohio State couldn't get into the endzone, but still won 12-10.  Should be a little more offense in this year's game, at least.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 15, 2005, 10:12:34 pm
If you need a ride, I am coming from Albion....I could help you make the trip....If anyone is near me, and you want to maximize on the gas mileage let me know.....drop me an email....tsd10@albion.edu
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: smedindy on November 16, 2005, 04:11:03 pm
How many folks can we expect from Albion? We have a tailgate lot set up for you all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 16, 2005, 06:38:27 pm
I am not sure, how many people are going to be coming, its all up in the air, but I am hoping we'll have good support as always.  I am planning on coming.  This week is our Tip-Off Tournament in Basketball, as it is for Wabash.  How many Wabash fans will be there?  Our school didnt send us tickets, so I will have to buy them at the game.  Our athletic director emailed me and told me there probably won't be a sell out, with just Wabash fans, so I should be able to get tickets at the gate right?   Anyway, I am stoked for the game.  It should be an exciting game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: smedindy on November 16, 2005, 07:07:03 pm
In football, we should probably get over 2,000 fans on our side. That's what we drew in teh first round in 2002 against an opponent that really didn't have a following. With Albion, I would expect more.

The tip-off tourney in hoops will be pretty barren. We can't change the time because Texas - Dallas needs to fly back Saturday night.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on November 16, 2005, 08:37:30 pm
Tickets shouldn't be a problem.  Hopefully it wil be a little warmer than the 30 degrees we had today!

Sidenote:  Sports Illustrated "Faces in the Crowd" this week includes the Alma QB Josh Brehm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 16, 2005, 08:48:31 pm
I heard from a girl that works in Wabash Bookstore that there are like 850 students at Wabash?  Or is it more than that.  At Albion we have roughly 1950 students.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2005, 09:00:13 pm
The website states that enrollment is 850 students.  I thought it had gotten up a little higher than that, maybe around 950.  Either way, it's still a pretty small school. 

I'm looking forward to this game.  I was at the last Wabash/Albion game up in Albion in '97.  That was a great game....probably one of the top five games I've seen in 10 years of watching Wabash football. 

Despite the small enrollment, Wabash draws a good crowd.  Last year Wabash had the #2 attendance in D-III behind St. John's.  That number was skewed a bit by the huge Monon Bell crowd.  This year Wabash is drawing close to 4,000 per home game, which is still quite good.  I'm expecting a good crowd Saturday. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 16, 2005, 10:08:28 pm
Thanks for the info man.  I just heard from one of my buddies that there is transportation available to the game, so I will probably just hop on a bus!  I am looking forward in going to Wabash.  I havent been there before, but I have driven through Crawfordsville before.  I am not sure when we're leaving.  I hope to see you all there!   Hope to enjoy a great game!

Its pretty cold here right now, and still snowing, hopefully the weather will be a lot better than it is right now!         
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2005, 11:29:38 pm
It's still a little early, but the forecast for C'ville on Saturday is for the temp to creep up to around 50 and dry
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2005, 04:39:23 pm
bruknewit:
Sorry I missed your post and this delayed response.  But thanks for the well wishes this weekend.  And yes, we'll be "watching that other game too"! ;)

Wally:
Thanks for the updated weather watch.  Yes, hopefully it will be dry and a bit warmer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2005, 09:24:38 pm
I heard from a girl that works in Wabash Bookstore that there are like 850 students at Wabash?  Or is it more than that.  At Albion we have roughly 1950 students.

Remember that's 850 men, maybe only a couple hundred fewer than Albion has.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Tipps on November 17, 2005, 11:28:46 pm
I just wanted to wish the Albion and Wabash players a healthy, solid game come Saturday.

Back in the early '90s, a game between Wabash and Albion was the first Division III matchup I had ever seen. I was barely a teenager then, but there are a lot of things I remember from that day, such as the oddity of black squirrels scurrying around campus and the fact that my best friend had dropped in the mud my celebratory roll of toilet paper that I had planned to launch from the stands. But most of all I remember the excitement that hovered in the air. I grew up in South Bend, where Notre Dame football was a part of life. But I had never seen my dad, who is also a Wabash grad, so exillerated, so caught up in the moment as I did on that Saturday at Albion. That crowd said so much about small college football, without ever really saying a word.

There's almost two decades of history between these two schools. I'm happy that they have this opportunity to meet again. I hope this coming Saturday proves to be a great game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: smedindy on November 18, 2005, 10:45:37 am
This is Wabash's Jim Amidon's look at the game: http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=3005
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 18, 2005, 02:00:37 pm
Pat:
I found out a few years ago that it was an all guys school.  For most people I know that would be a challenge.  I guess the most important thing in college is academics, and then athletics.  I guess it would have been nice if they had a "sister" college.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 18, 2005, 02:17:48 pm
There's a lot more to college than just academics and athletics.  Academics certainly are higher priority than athletics, but there is way more to it than just class and sports. 

Wabash doesn't have a particular need for a "sister" school...C'ville is a surprisingly popular destination for coeds from colleges and universities all over Indiana.  The opportunities to socialize with the fairer gender are plenty.  Don't feel too sorry for Wabash men.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HScoach on November 18, 2005, 02:19:26 pm
Q: What does a Michigan girl say after sex?
Q: "Get off me dad, youíre crushing my cigarettes."



Q: Whatís the difference between Ann Arbor and a Porcupine?
A: Thereís 100,000 pricks on the inside of Ann Arbor.



Q: What do you call two good looking women walking through the Michigan Campus?
A: Visitors!



Q: What do Michigan football and marijuana have in common?
A: They both get smoked in bowls!



Q: What's the difference between a Michigan fan and a carp?
A: One is a bottom-feeding, scum sucker, and the other is a fish.

Q: How many Michigan fans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: One, but he gets 3 credits.

Q: Where was O.J. hiding right before the famous white Bronco chase?
A: On the Michigan campus. That's the last place you would find a football player.

Q: Why do they throw out a sack of manure at University of Michigan weddings?
A: To keep the flies off the bride.

Q: Why don't University of Michigan fans let their kids play in sand boxes?
A: Because cats keep covering them up.

A University of Michigan fan walks into a doctor's office and removes his hat to reveal a frog sitting on his head. The doctor asks, "How can I help you?" The frog replies, "I was wondering if you could help me get this wart off my butt."

Q: Did you hear about the University of Michigan fan who locked his keys in his car?
A: He couldn't get his family out.

Q: Why do University of Michigan fans keep their diplomas on their dashboards?
A: So they can park in handicap spaces.

Two University of Michigan fans were walking down the street when they came upon a dog lying on the sidewalk licking and cleaning his groin like dogs do. The first University of Michigan fan says to the second, "Boy, I wish I could do that." The second University of Michigan fan replies, "Yeah, me too. But I wouldn't try it." The first University of Michigan fan asks, "Why not?" The second University of Michigan fan replies, "Because I'm afraid the dog might bite me."

Q: Did you hear about the power outage at the University of Michigan library?
A: Forty students were stuck on the escalator for three hours.

Q: Did you hear about the fire in University of Michigan's football dorm that destroyed 20 books?
A: The real tragedy was that 15 hadn't been colored yet.

Q: Do you know why the University of Michigan football team should change its name to the "Opossums"?
A: Because they play dead at home and get killed on the road.

Q: Did you hear the story about the semi-truck carrying pigs that flipped over on the University of Michigan campus?
A: The officials had to check ID's before letting anyone back on board.

Q: What does the average University of Michigan student get on his SAT?
A: Drool.

Q: What do you get when you breed a groundhog and a University of Michigan?
A: Six more weeks of bad football.

Q: What should you do if you find three University of Michigan fans buried up to their neck in cement?
A: Get more cement.

General Schwarzkopf was walking through the desert during the Gulf War when he found a lamp on the ground. He picked it up, rubbed, and out came a genie. The genie said to the General, "I will grant you one wish." The General replied, "I wish that we will win this war. Here is a map of the desert and all the war parties. Please make us win the war." The genie responded, "I'm not that powerful of a genie. I cannot grant you that wish." "Well," the General responds, "then can you have University of Michigan win a bowl game this year?" After a moment, the genie says, "Let me see that map again."

Q: How do you make University of Michigan cookies?
A: Put them in a big Bowl and beat for 3 hours.

Q: What do you get when you cross a University of Michigan fan and a pig?
A: Nothing. There's some things that a pig will not do.

Q: How many University of Michigan freshman does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None, it's a sophomore course.



Q. What did the Michigan graduate say to the Ohio State graduate?
A. "Welcome to McDonald's. May I take your order, please?"



Did you hear about the Wolverine fan who was so upset that the Buckeyes beat Michigan that he tried to commit suicide by jumping out his basement window?



It was reported that Michigan head football coach Lloyd Carr will only be dressing twenty players for the Ohio State game. The rest of the players will have to get dressed by themselves.





Q: How do you get a Michigan grad off of your front porch?
A: Pay him for the pizza.



Q: What's the only sign of intelligent life in Ann Arbor?
A: Columbus: 187 Miles



Four college alumni were climbing a mountain one day: an Ohio State grad, a Michigan grad, a Penn State grad, and a Notre Dame grad. Each proclaimed to be the most loyal of all fans at their alma mater. As they climbed higher, they argued as to which one of them was the most loyal of all. They continued to argue all the way up the mountain, and finally as they reached the top, the Notre Dame grad hurled himself off the mountain, shouting "This is for the Fighting Irish!" as he fell to his doom. Not wanting to be out done, the Penn State grad threw himself off the mountain proclaiming, "This is for the Nittany Lions!" Seeing this the OSU grad walked over and shouted "This is for the Buckeyes!" and pushed the Wolverine off the side of the mountain.



A guy in a bar leans over to the guy next to him and says, "Wanna hear a Michigan joke?" The guy next to him replies, "Well before you tell that joke, you should know something. I'm 6' tall, 200 lbs., and I am a Michigan grad. The guy sitting next to me is 6 ' 2" tall, weighs 225, and he's a Michigan grad. The fella next to him is 6 ' 5" tall, weighs 250, and he's a Michigan grad. Now, you still wanna tell that joke?" The first guy says, "No, not if I'm gonna have to explain it three times."




GO BUCKS!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 18, 2005, 02:28:10 pm
There's seriously not a better place to do that?  Wow. 

I was listening to Rome at lunch today...some Buckeye fan called in railing all things Wolverine.  Really not a bad call until he got to a score prediction.  Jeff in Columbus called it....OSU is going to roll it up on UM by a final score of 27 to 27. 

The next hour's worth of calls and emails were priceless.  I can't make this stuff up....it's on the webpage.  Check it out.

http://www.jimrome.com/home.html

The one thing that Michigan has always been able to hold over OSU (other than their monstrous edge in the overall series) is that UM is a better school than OSU (it is) and that UM kids are smarter than OSU kids (they are).  Then Jeff comes on and proves the point.  Awesome, awesome stuff....this all coming from a guy (me) who could care less who wins that game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 18, 2005, 03:15:59 pm
Agreed, Wally, but alot of it is funny--some good material for The Bell Game chat room next year?  One wonders how long the Ohio folks have been collecting the list, or how the Ann Arbor list of jokes compares?  Those of us who live in southern Indiana have a similar list for our friends across the river in Kentucky.  Oh, well...

Michigan by 7 (UofM that is) ... while WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS!! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 18, 2005, 04:08:29 pm
formerd3db:

See you beneath the scoreboard at end of 1st half.
Full response to you on the North Coast board.
Travel safe.  See you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 18, 2005, 09:14:18 pm
Good luck to Albion tomorrow!  (Hard for an ALMA grad to say that!)  Represent the MIAA well.  As many have said on this board, it should be a good game with two great programs.  Go Brits!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 19, 2005, 04:12:49 am
An alma grad huh, theres nothing wrong with that.  The Great Coach Pete Schmidt was an Alma Grad and went on to coach Albion College, and give us our lone national championship (1994).  Anyway, it should be an interesting matchup coming up at noon.  I will definitely be there.  I was thinking about driving there myself, but we have fan transportation which leaves around 6am from our college.  We should be there by about 11ish or so.  I hope to see many of you there.  Remember my face will be painted purple...and you can't miss me.   Hope it ends up being a pleasant day of football!  Go Brits!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 19, 2005, 06:08:40 pm
Congrats to Albion on a great season.

My computer crashed and I had to listen to the Albion broadcast as the Wabash stream was tapped out. Your broadcast crew was good. Very knowledgeable and professional.

Thanks for the good game and good luck next year, Britons.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2005, 02:03:31 am
Congrats to Albion for a valient effort today and representing our MIAA.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2005, 05:12:34 pm
Apparently Tri-State's Head Coach Frey has been released from duties.  The website lists an assistant as the interim head coach.  Anyone have info on this?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2005, 10:41:42 pm
Anyone?  What did you think about the All-MIAA selections last week?  I was somewhat surprised - not sure I agree with some of the selections.  But nonetheless, congratulations to all those selected to all the teams, 1st, 2nd and Honorable Mention.

BTW, wish some of you would join me here in some occasional discussion.  I'm going to get a complex in being "the lone poster" on our board if this continues! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 22, 2005, 04:11:18 am
I was in Crawfordsville, Indiana, the game was definitely ugly.  I feel the first possession on offense for Albion really set the tone of the game.  With Wabash being up 7-0, Albion got the ball back, and they appeared to score a touchdown, but the referees ruled it incomplete (he didnt hold it long enough, and then dropped it).  There was a crucial point in the game when they were down 24-6, when Albion had a punt blocked and it was recovered in the end zone for a 31-6 lead.  Albion had chances, but Wabash was the more dominant team in the game.  Albion's defense was on the field way too long.  Our offense couldnt capatilize.  On the first possession from a possible touch down, an interception was thrown.  Giving a good effort is important, but in the final game story the only stat that matters is whether you scored more points than the other teams......and there was no W.  I congratulate Albion on winning the MIAA.  However, reality is, still the MIAA hasnt won a game since the playoffs expanded.  I don't know if the problem lies in recruiting, or is it that the region record is poor.  In order to prepare for the playoffs there must be a tougher non conference schedule.  MIAA teams are flopping like no other in the Football playoffs.  Since Albion won the 1994 National Championship, I believe no current member of the MIAA has won a playoff game.  Bottom line:  We need to be competetive in the playoffs, and hopefully have another team claim the hardware.  Our conference is seen weak in football, but I feel that it will improve.  I hope our conference will get the respectability as it does in basketball!     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 26, 2005, 03:21:51 am
fd3db
I too was very surprised at some of the selections. Too dissapointed to post. Congrats to those that made the selections. Many names not on the lists that I think could have been there, many, many names that should have been switched around. Guess name recognition goes a long way in making the selections, as do repeat winners.

I will try to help you out in not being the lone poster but job duties have been changed and I find less time to even get to this site much less post.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2005, 07:04:41 pm
wlcalum:

I agree with you.  Unfortunately, in addition to those generalized situations you mentioned, the other is that old well known saying "to the victor goes the spoils" :( :P.  It happens in any conference in that many times, the title winning team gets the most players on the 1st team selections.  Unfortunately, when that happens, many players at the other schools who are really deserving of the honors are not chosen, such as players who lead the league in various categories like interceptions, receiveing, etc. etc.  I could cite many examples over the years, but it happend even last year as well.  All that being said, as I alluded to in my post, I am not intending to trivialize or bash anyone of those who were selected.  Certainly it is a great honor and congrats to them.  They were picked and that's the way it is and always has been.

Thanks for the help in keeping our board "somewhat" active!  I know what you mean about the time factor.  I am surprised that many of our other friends/colleagues here on our board have not been as active this year.  However, like you, they've probably got other important issues to attend to and that's okay.  I don't want to be the monopolizer here, nor do I want others to think that I don't have other important things to do either because I do have a life outside this board/website ;D.,  Yet, I do enjoy conversing and posting with all of you here.  Like most, it is a way to continue enjoying being connected to the dIII football we love, and perhaps a means to "get away from the 'rat race' we all face each week" from time to time.  Anyway, just keep posting as you can, if/when time allows; your input here is always appreciated.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 27, 2005, 07:55:37 pm
wlcalum and formerd3db:

The selections werent made under the old system.  Under the old system any team could nominate all the players it wanted, as opposed to teh new system where your selections are slotted based on your finish.  First gets 16, second 14 etc, im nto sure on exact numbers but similar to that and same style.  Therefore it puts coaches in the bad position of not necessarrily picking the kids that they want and would like to see get there, but rather the kids that they think have the best chance of getting selected.  Is it perfect no, but it is alot better than the old system where 4th and 5th place teams would nominate 10+ players.  This system also hurt because several times the players who deserved to get the votes often lost some of them to the large number of nominees.  As far as All MIAA teams go i dont think anyone is ever completely happy, no coaches ever walk away thinking that everyone they wanted to get ont he team actually got it.  Its an inexact science and yes to some degree it is a popularity contest and a name recognition issue, but oh well, thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2005, 08:43:10 pm
ADAWG:
Thanks for the update on how the changes are regarding the current selection process.  You are right; no system is perfect.  However, while I see your point about votes being spread out and taking away the chances of some players in the old system, I still don't see that this system solves it any better.  By limiting the number of slots to the lower teams, that still does not do justice to players who really deserve the accalodes.  In that sense I mean that regardless of the system, if some kid has led the league in some category big time, then I don't care who the head coach is, they know and should know that that player should be afforded the votes.  Just because some player was all-conf two or three years prior should not be an automatic.  Again, I've seen many times where players who should have made the 1st team did not only because their team finished at the bottom of the standings.  Yet as you say, politics get into it inadvertently most times; unfortunately not inadvetently at others :P.  I agree with you - that's the way life is, but doesn't mean it is right ;D  Nothing anyone can do about it though.  Besides, in most cases, a player [in this case we're talking about those who deserve 1st team status] knows deep down that he did his best for his team and whether he made an all-conf team or not isn't the end of the world.  It doesn't matter in the "long run" - i.e. in the game of life.  Nonetheless, I don't think it is wrong to voice an opinion on such matters. ;)

BTW, is the rule still in where a head coach can nominate his players but not vote for them? ???  Just curious. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on November 27, 2005, 09:18:35 pm
Gentlemen, I'm the rookie here, and so far I've read some interesting comments, and I highly respect everyones opinions so here goes.... In relation to the last couple of thoughts on the All MIAA sellections I agree that a lot of players that weren't on the first and second teams should have been. And it's to bad that teams like Wisconsin Lutheran and Tri State deserved to get a few more players recognized especially the Seniors that played for four years. Your comments were right on. It boils down to not only Coaching experience but how good the Coach prepares himself and does his homework before the All- Conference selections. Thanks for listening.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2005, 10:10:57 pm
Rookie:
Valid points.  Also, welcome to the board! We'll look forward to your future contributions to the various discussions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 28, 2005, 02:37:12 pm
formerd3db:

Yes the policy on coaches nominating but not being able to vote for your own players still stands, that wasnt one of the things that was changed in the new process.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 28, 2005, 04:21:22 pm
formerd3db:

Any truth to the rumor that you'll be the head coach at Tri State next year?  It may not be Olivet, but it's a start!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2005, 08:48:52 pm
You know I'd love to if that were possible! ;D  Maybe someday ::) ???.  Anyway, welcome to the board.  Hope you are doing well and had a nice Thanksgiving before you get "back to the grind".  We missed having you last week on the trip. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 28, 2005, 09:23:44 pm
It's going to be a major sprint to the finish, but I think I have a pretty good handle on how my exams are going be.  Wish I could have gone on that last road trip, but I had an absurd amount of reading to do.  Are you going to be making a trip to the DeVos anytime soon?  It looks amazing from the pictures.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2005, 09:58:34 pm
bulldogalum:
I know what you mean.  But good luck on your exams; I know you'll do fine (although obviously, they are no fun to go through ::)).  I hope to get over there sometime soon although not exactly sure when; perhaps over Christmas break when they have the annual tournament.  Yes it looks awesome (I heard it from good sources too  :-X) I am considering going to the Stagg Bowl.  Again, good luck on exams- study hard.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on November 28, 2005, 10:36:05 pm
FORMER 3DB,
I WAS LOOKING BACK AT THE 2004 ALL-AMERICAN PICKS AND I CAME ACROSS AT LEAST TWO FROM ADRIAN... GRANTED THESE ARE EXTREMELY QUALTIY FOOTBALL PLAYERS BUT WITH ADRIAN COMING IN BEHIND ALBION FOR THE LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP HOW DID THEY GET SO MANY 1ST TEAM ALL MIAA PLAYERS? ALSO, THERE IS GOT BE A THIRD TEAM MIAA BECAUSE THE QB FROM HOPE DID NOT CERTAINLY DESERVE JUST AN HONORABLE MENTION. HE'S A FINE QB. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 28, 2005, 11:12:15 pm
Rookie: 

Adrian was a pretty good team this year, they beat Albion, and had a better overall record (8-2).  I, for one, was glad to see so many Bulldogs on the All-MIAA teams ;).  As to the Hope QB, he is a very good player, and deserving of a spot on the All-MIAA team, but it's pretty hard to place him above Wasil, who was a multi-year starter on the conference champion Briton team, and Brehm of Alma, who set all sorts of records up there.  There's certainly no shame in being behind those two guys.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 28, 2005, 11:14:27 pm
Also, this year, a third team might have been nice, but I'm not sure that it would be necessary every year.  This year's MIAA was about as balanced as I've seen, so it had to be especially difficult to name the all conference teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 29, 2005, 04:11:11 pm
Very interesting the way they now pick the teams. So if your team finishes with the best record you get the most votes? That should not mean that you flood the pool with your players. (if that happens)

It doesn't seem too hard to me for a coach(s) to run down the stat sheet and make some pretty educated picks. Seems to me also, that the teams are picked pretty fast. I was going to take a week and really digest the stats and give my picks but was beaten to the punch. Guess the coaches do need a life after football to get along with.

All good commments and discussion. Welcome to the board Rookie.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on November 29, 2005, 07:28:13 pm
WLCALUM,
HEY THANKS. WELL SPOKEN. ACTUALLY I THOUGHT THE SAME THING. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT I THINK THAT MOST OF THE SELECTIONS (FOR THE ALL-MIAA FIRST AND SECOND TEAMS) WERE ALREADY MADE BY SOME COACHES FOR THE FOUR TOP TEAMS BEFORE THE LAST REGULAR SEASON GAME. DO YOU KNOW IF THEY PICKED A "COACH OF THE YEAR "FOR THE MIAA CONFERENCE? IF SO, GENTLEMEN... WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHO IT SHOULD BE? THANKS FOR LISTENING.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 29, 2005, 09:14:57 pm
I'll give coach of the year to Rundle, even though that seems the obvious pick, being league champs and all.  But Albion started out 1-3, and Rundle did a great job getting those guys to keep their heads up, and making them refuse to quit.  Sure enough, 6 wins later, they're getting rings.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 30, 2005, 09:09:13 pm
I'll go with Kreps from Hope. Only one game away from winning it all. Good job to all the top teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 30, 2005, 09:27:58 pm
rookie, wlcalum and bulldogalum:

Good discussion.  My apologies for not replying sooner.  Rookie, I have to agree with bulldogalum on the QB league selection.  Hope's QB Schwander is a very good QB.  However, while he had some good games, overall, he did not have a banner year - too many INTs, rushed decisions.  The other QB's selected overall played better and Wasil deserved the top spot.  I also agree with wlcalum that a third team is not necessary.  Honorable metion is still a well deserved selection for players.

Traditionally, that is how it has been i.e. the team who finishes with the best record getting the most slots chosen.  I don't necessarily agree with that, particularly with it now being set up that way.  On the other hand, that does not mean it is not appropriate for a team that wins the title to get the most slots in any given year, provided the stats and observed play of those players warrants it.  All I'm saying is that it should not be automatic on a routine basis.  Unfortunately, it somehow occurs that way.  Nor am I suggesting that selecting all league teams is not an easy task by any means - I'm sure all the head coaches realize that and, certainly, they want to promote their own players as best as possible, even though they cannot vote for them.  But, if they did not really "do their homework" in reviewing this before the actuall meeting for selections, that would not be the best situation.  Not saying that happened as I obviously do not know.  I would have to agree though, that this year's meeting took place a little sooner than it usually does.  No doubt there was a legit reason for this.

As for coach of the year - yeah, a tough choice also.  Agree that Rundle is the logical choice but, indeed Kreps and perhaps Lividotti deserve consideration. 

Anyway, good to see that our board is starting to get some participation in discussion, even if it is now post-season.  We have a long way to go to catch up with the other boards as far as pages!  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: earlhamalum on December 01, 2005, 12:27:56 am
What does the Karma thing Stand for?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 01, 2005, 02:25:39 pm
earlhamalum:

Since you are new to the board (welcome BTW!), we'll cut you some slack on this! ;D  Pat (webmaster) has mentioned this before, but nonetheless, you can go to Frequently asked questions on the main page of this website for more detailed explanation.  Basically, though, it is a way for posters to rate others posters comments either good or bad i.e. applaud or smite (for example, if someone made a really inappropriate comment that was out-of-line, that would qualify for a "smite" i.e. a minus 1 Karma).  The only qualification is, though, to my understanding, is that Pat has made the privilege of this rating system only available to "verteran" posters on this website.  Once a person reaches a certain amount of postings or as determined by the webmaster, they apparently are then allowed the privilege of giving  :) (or taking away :() karma.  Hope that helps.  We'll look forward to your postings in the future either here, on your own board and/or all of them!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 01, 2005, 08:44:24 pm
FORMERD3DB
I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON WHAT YOU SAID A LIITLE WHILE AGO ON MAKING ALL-CONFERENCE (ALL-MIAA) YES, IT'S TRUE THAT IF A FOOTBALL PLAYER HAS THE STATS AND GETS OVERLOOKED BY OTHER COACHES HE SHOULD KNOW DEEP IN HIS HEART THAT HE IS TRULY DESERVING OF BEING ONE OF THE BEST AT HIS POSITION. FOR EXAMPLE, WHILE FINISHING MY HIGH SCHOOL CAREER I DID NOT HAVE THE STATS AS A BLOCKING  FULLBACK... BUT AS LINEBACKER LED OUR TEAM IN TACKLES (125) THEREFORE, I MISSED OUT ON THE SO CALLED ALL AREA TEAM AND WATCHED DEJECTEDLY AS A SOPHMORE FROM OUR TEAM WALKED AWAY WITH THE HONORS. OUR COACH RESPONDED BY GIVING ME THE MVP HONORS. NO IT'S NOT THE END OF LIFE, BUT IT STICKS WITH YOU FOR A LONG TIME. HOW ABOUT  A NORTH BOWL ALL STAR GAME IN MICHIGAN? I THINK IT'S LONG OVERDUE... AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY OF RECOGNIZING GREAT ATHLETES IN OUR AREA. OH, BY THE WAY... MY COACH OF THE YEAR GOES TO TERRANCE BROOKS UP DOWN AT "K" COLLEGE. WHY? BECAUSE LIKE USUAL THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBERS AGAIN... AND IT LOOKED LIKE HE GOT THE BEST OUT OF JUST THREE OR FOUR STARTING SENIORS ON THE TEAM. SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE KREPPS FOR ALMOST SURPRISING EVERONE!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 01, 2005, 10:18:27 pm
Rookie: 

Not to steal FormerD3DB's question, but I'll throw a response at you.  It seems like it's the very nature of all conference teams, and unfortunately so, that every year, some deserving players are left out.  I don't think anyone is thrilled with it, but it's the nature of the beast. 

However, I don' t know how the rest of the forum feels, but it seems to me that these individual awards aren't what it's all about.  At the end of the day, the question should be "did you do everything you could to make your team the best it could be?"  If the answer to that is "yes," then the rest is just icing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2005, 04:03:13 pm
Rookie and bulldoglaum:
Well said.
An Sr. All-star game for the state's DII-DIII schools would be great.  Unfortunately, I doubt it would get much support among the various schools administrators (the fans, yes; administrators, no :()

BTW, guys, were finally starting to build pages regarding the posts!  But we still have a loooooooooog way to go to catch up with the other boards. ::)

Anyone see that Akron/NIU MAC Championship game last night?  A great game and a great story on Akron's head coach.  I hope the Stagg Bowl is as exciting this year. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2005, 04:04:54 pm
Please excuse my poor grammar and punctuation on my last post.  I could use the "modify post" option that Pat mentioned, but...I was too lazy at this time! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 02, 2005, 05:08:00 pm
BULLDOGALUM,
HEY, LET'S PUT THIS SUBJECT TO REST FOR ME AND THE REST OF THE "UNSUNG HEROES" ESPECIALLY THOSE FOOTBALL PLAYERS THAT GAVE IT THEIR BEST. WELL SAID, AND PROBABLY WELL THOUGHT OUT BULLDOGALUM. HAVE YOU SEEN A LOT OF ADRIAN GAMES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS? HOW ABOUT YOU FORMERD3DB? HAVE YOU SEEN HOPE PLAY THIS YEAR? I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED... THERE WAS A RUMOR GOING AROUND THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE JUST OK... WITH A LOT OF YOUNG PLAYERS ON THE TEAM. A LOT OF SURPRISES THIS YEAR... I'LL BE WAITING FOR THE ALL-AMERICAN TEAM TO COME OUT SOON. ANY COMMENTS ON ANY NOMINATED PLAYERS? THANKS FOR LISTENING.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 02, 2005, 05:47:02 pm
Is it just me or is it really hard to read Rookies posts written all in caps?

I too wouild like to see an all senior bowl in the MIAA. Would be some really great talent out there on the field. Give the guys another chance to shine. Most players I talk to would give most anything to keep their careers going.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2005, 09:11:47 pm
Rookie:
Yes, I saw most of Hope's games this season.  Kind of "rollarcoaster" ride, however, as you and others pointed out, they did not give up and played hard at the end.
BTW, if I may, just let me say that per protocol, you are not supposed to post in CAPS on the website - Pat's rule.  It is called "shouting".  Since you are new to the board, you wouldn't have known.  Just a reminder.  Anyway, thanks for your input here - your posts are appreciated.  Keep contributing.

wlcalum:
I know what you mean.  That applies to some of us "old guys" as well! ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 02, 2005, 10:53:35 pm
fd3db
Hey I.m an old guy too...the bifocals were driving me crazy. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 03, 2005, 02:35:06 pm
Rookie:

I try to make it to several Adrian games every year.  Unfortunately, I've only been able to make it to 2 or 3 the past few years.  I actually went to more Albion games this year than Adrian games (I've got a brother on the team). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 04, 2005, 05:20:42 pm
bulldogalum,
My apologies for the shoutng... thanks for the tip. What position does your brother play for Albion. Can you tell me if Albion has a JV team and how many players they carry? Will he start next year? How does he like coach Rundell? Just curious. He must have gotten his Championship ring too...
I saw the last play of the Akron game.. what a finish!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 04, 2005, 05:57:26 pm
Rookie:

My brother is a TE for Albion.  He's a junior with sophomore eligibility.  He's got a pretty good shot at starting next year, if he can put on a few pounds (he was more of a WR in HS, and has since tried to put on TE weight).  He likes Rundle, but it seems to an outsider like me that Rundle is either the kind of guy that you either love or hate (most of his players love him).  They do have a JV team, but I'm not sure what kind of numbers they have.  I think there are over 100 players on the whole roster.  They don't cut anyone, although some players cut themselves.  He'll be getting his ring in the spring, I think.  They have to be designed and ordered and all that stuff, but I'm sure he'll be thrilled to get it.  Of course, if his head gets too big, I'll remind him that Adrian has beaten his Britons for 4 straight years ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 06, 2005, 07:26:12 pm
A junior with sophomore eligability - over 100 on the roster -

Wish we had that problem - Think this year we actually left a couple players behind for the road games. Years past we had to take the full team.
Will take many more years before we get a year less eligability for our players or even over 100 on the team. Thats where recruicing comes to play and we are a very small college with no history...so to speak.
Some very successful players... who have yet to get the recognition deserved from the MIAA. That too won't happen as we are a lame duck team.
Sound pretty negative as I reread this post but not meant to be...evcept for the recognition part.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 06, 2005, 08:42:17 pm
Wlcalum,
I know exactly what your talking about. Sometimes it takes a while to build a successful football program because of the turnover in coaching and small college academic/athletic politics. Coming from a very small Catholic school south of Detroit, we were a powerhouse with only 30 players. I wish you luck with gaining the advantage and recognition in the MIAA. One day those teams with like for example "K" college will turn it around. Like the old saying goes, "you can only put 11 players on the field at a time." I'm for the underdog. Also, I know of a few players that didn't go to the MIAA first place teams basically because they wanted to play more for a college that needs players. Interesting. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 06, 2005, 08:58:13 pm
I have no doubt WLC will be able to build a strong program in the years ahead.  They've improved quite a bit over the past few years.  It's all about getting some capable coaches in place that can sell the school, themselves, and their philosophy to recruits.  Tradition may be against them, but as Rookie pointed out, there are many kids who will go to a school that isn't a traditional power because they'll be able to get more playing time.  At any rate, good luck!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 07, 2005, 06:50:29 pm
I also think, when we move to the new conference after the 2007 season we will gain local press and that should really help with the number of players who will know about us.
I am excited about the talent increases in the past five years. We will lose a ton of players this year and have no freshman class to replace them. Hopefully the coaches get busy this spring and double the numbers we got last year or our program is going to go down the dumper real fast.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 09, 2005, 03:45:45 pm
bulldogalum,
Please help me out here... I was looking at the All-Region team today and saw D. J. Howard on the third team. His stats for a fresman is not very impressive. Granted he had a good year this year as a Sophmore-but All-Region? There are many, many Seniors that had decent careers for four yearsand good accumulative statistics. It appears like the votes are for one year only, and not accumulative. So what happens next year. Could he be picked as a Preseason All-American punt returner? There a lot players that start off on special teams as freshman and sophmores (they end up blocking punts, being leading tacklers, key fumble recoveries, interceptions ect.) Then as Juniors and Seniors move on to be captians of their team and lead them in several team categories. Shouldn't these be the ones that are nominated and selected? I'm just saying that one good year shouldn't make it All-Region. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 10, 2005, 11:31:56 am
Rookie:

Trust me when I say that I'm far from an expert on the selection of All Region teams.  I guess my response depends upon what the goal of the All Region team.  If the goal is to celebrate career-long achievements, then D.J. probably shouldn't have been named to the team this year.  But if the goal is to recognize players who had outstanding seasons, then I think D.J. fits the bill quite nicely. 

As to where I stand, I think I'm more on the season by season basis.  I say this knowing quite well that career achievements do a great deal to make a player's achievements in a season, if for no other reason than that people already know who they are heading into the season and have high expectations from the outset.  But in theory, I think it's best to reward great seasons for these teams instead of good careers.  Of course, this opinion might be biased, as DJ is in the great season--and not the good career (yet)--category ;).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2005, 12:18:56 pm
It appears like the votes are for one year only, and not accumulative.

Absolutely. It is the 2005 All-Region team, not a lifetime achievement award.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 11, 2005, 09:10:51 pm
Pat,
Questions for you... Is there an outside chance of any MIAA players making second or third team All-American even if he wasn't recognized on A.) All League or B.) an All Region team? I don't know what the protocal is. Also, do you think a coach could purposely leave out a well deserved All region player just to get him on the All-American team? If it does work out that way, then it's good strategy and "politics" on his part. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 11, 2005, 09:52:59 pm
Gotta put my congrats to UW Whitewater on here since they are kinda a sister school. Would be nice if they can win it all and earn some respect for the tough Wisconsin teams.

Had the athletic banquet today at WLC. Final time for our great senior class to recieve the recognition they so richly deserve. Good luck to all the seniors in the MIAA may you find success after college.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 19, 2005, 06:31:51 pm
Exciting to see Mike Lewis named as a First Team All-American.   He's a great talent and a good guy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 19, 2005, 09:24:48 pm
bulldogalum,
Good stuff. I saw Adrian play two years ago. Mike looked big, fast, and strong. Congratulations to your alma mater. thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Tipps on December 19, 2005, 11:12:56 pm
I honestly don't know how many (if any) K-zoo folk peruse the board, but I came across an AP story about a new-ish program that gives Kalamazoo public school students a chance to get a free education at a state school. You all probably have heard of it by now, but I thought it was pretty interesting.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051217/SCHOOLS/512170324/1026/METRO

Is there any chance that a program like this could hurt recruiting -- in any sport -- at Kalamazoo College or some of the other private MIAA schools? Seems like a lot of graduating high schoolers could be tempted away from the private schools if they had an inexpensive or free education at their fingertips.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on December 22, 2005, 07:15:16 pm
formerd3db:

To you, your family, and all in the MIAA, I hope you all have the merriest of Christmases and Holiday Season.  I'm glad I had the opportunity to meet you in person during the playoffs, and look forward to exchanging comments for years to come.  I've got the D-III bug too--bad!

Special congrats to Adrian's Mike Lewis, for his season, and for his All-America selection.  Russ enjoyed meeting you in Mexico and complimented your play.  The USA defense in that game was amazing!  Best of luck as you go forward with the rest of your life.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 22, 2005, 08:03:45 pm
Bashdad:

Thanks very much my friend.  Allow me to return the same sentiments to you and your family; I wish you all a most enjoyable Christmas and New Year's holiday.  I, too, enjoyed meeting you in person and enjoy our correspondence along with your colleagues.  Congratulations again on Russ's fine season and career.  I'll look forward to keeping in touch with you and your NCAC board friends in the future as well.  All the best to you.

Also, Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all of the rest of you NCAC'ers as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 22, 2005, 08:08:59 pm
To all of my colleagues and friends here on the MIAA board, same goes to all of you - I wish each of you and your families/friends a most wonderful holiday season this weekend, week and next weekend.  Enjoy posting with all of you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 22, 2005, 11:27:39 pm
Indeed, Merry Christmas to everyone on the board.  It's been a fun year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 23, 2005, 06:48:19 pm
I also must add Merry Christmas to you all. May ythe blessings of this season be upon you and your families.

On another (sad) note - did any of you put up a holiday tree? I have a Christmas Tree  - and will spend my time in Church enjoying the true message of Christmas.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 24, 2005, 09:18:31 am
To:formerd3db, bulldogalum, wlcalum,
Gentlemen. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! It's been a good learning experience for me the last month. Let's keep this board going.
You guys are first class. Thanks. The Rookie.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 24, 2005, 02:46:10 pm
To all:

Havent been on in a while but as it is now the Christmas season I have some time to post.  Just wanted to wish a merry christmas to all and have fun but be safe ringing in the new year!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 02, 2006, 12:05:43 pm
DAWG:

Hope things are going well for you and that you had a nice holiday break.  A couple of quick questions, as I saw recently the new announcements at Adrian regarding elevating men's lacrosse to a varsity sport (and adding women's lacrosse) and the new stadium.  First, from the announcement, it appears that the new stadium will be ready for this next season 2006?  If so, wow, that is a very fast time table for construction, unless construction has started already.  Nonetheless, as much as I like Maple Stadium and it having served the college well over the last 30 years or so, it is great to see that Adrian will have an on-campus stadium returning back like in the "really old days" of old Alumni Field there.    Much better for the student body and just more of that "old college tradition".

Secondly, with Adrian elevating men's and women's lax to full varsity status, perhaps the other MIAA schools will follow their lead.  I think that is great.  Hope (and Alma more recently) have had Club Lacrosse for years with Hope's being almost nearly a varsity sport as far as its organization structure.  Way back when I was there, I remember Hope's team playing several DI schools on Spring Break down south (like Clemson, John's Hopkins, etc.) and while they got "killed" in the score, it was great experience for coming back and playing the state schools that had lacrosse (like U of M which has their lacrosse as "Varsity Club" designation which is between a club status and a full varsity status; unfortunately MSU has discontinued their program - they should restart it).

Finally, are you going to be back with Adrian staff this fall or is it time to move on in your career?  Just curious.  Best to you this year and whereever you end up, please keep in touch with us here. 

Bulldogalum:
Would like to hear your thoughts about Adrian's new announcements too!  Hope your holiday with family was enjoyable.

Rookie:
You've been kind of quiet during the holidays here (but then again, so have the rest of us on our MIAA board!)  Hope all is well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: has been coach 1 on January 02, 2006, 03:27:09 pm
Heard Tri-State hired a local High School guy with No DIII recruiting experience at all. Was also a indoor football league coach.

Heard they paid him $48,ooo and gave him two full time assitants that will make $25,000........

Dosen't sound like to much of a commitment from the administration to turn things around there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on January 03, 2006, 12:05:47 am
formerd3db:

I probably don't know as much as DAWG about the timetable for finishing the stadium, as I'm not around campus as much anymore, but from what I've heard they're expecting the facility to be finished in time for next season.  My reaction was the same as yours--that's pretty quick.

At any rate, I'm thrilled to see that we're putting a stadium on campus.  When I was there, there were plenty of people that made it to games, but many students just stayed in their rooms, opting not to make the trip across town to watch a game at the Mape.  By putting a stadium on campus, we'll be able to get more of those lazy students out to the games. 

As for lacrosse, I think it's great that we're making it a varsity sport.  I made it out to a game or two last year (Adrian's first season), and it was very exciting to watch.  I certainly hope other MIAA schools will follow suit.  Lacrosse could be an exciting addition to the spring schedule.

As to DAWG returning to the Adrian sidelines, I certainly hope he does for Adrian's sake, but if a better offer comes along, I would hope he'd take it. ;D

Christmas up north was a good time.  My parents were sure to show me your Christmas card, looked good except for all the Hope attire ;).  Hopefully you had a fine holiday season as well.

Now, I'm waiting on the results of my exams from the fall, they should be posted this week sometime.  All this waiting makes it difficult to enjoy all the great bowl games on TV. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2006, 09:46:22 pm
bulldogalum:

Good to hear from you.  Thanks for your thoughts about your alma mater's "new digs" and sports program expansion.  I agree with your assessment - it can't but help Adrian.  They need to get enrollment up above 1000 for next year and hopefully that will help with both student-athletes and non-athletes.

Glad to hear you had a nice Christmas and New Year's holiday.  Glad you liked our card also ;D.  Sorry you guys couldn't go to the Motor City Bowl with us - we missed having you, but I certainly understand.  Also, good luck on the results of your exams.  I know how anxious that can be waiting and thus less able to enjoy the bowl games and such more.  However, I am confident you will have done well.  We always think we do worse than we actually do most times.  Anyway, keep the faith in ALL aspects.  Keep in touch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2006, 09:47:26 pm
wlcalum:
Hope your holidays were good.  What's the latest, if you've heard anything, on WLC program recruiting, etc.??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 04, 2006, 02:12:42 pm
fd3db

Holidays were great thanks, but did not talk football over the holidays. I would hope they are out pounding the bushes for kids.
I know there are some really good players here in north east wi who could make an impact right away. Would have thought the coaches would have tasked the players to make an appearence at their old hs to talk to some recruits but did not hear of any contact. I know some word has gotten around about WLC up here but most are scared away by the initial cost. Wish they would check into the aid available before saying no right away. I'm glad we did.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on January 04, 2006, 10:43:46 pm
formerd3db,
Come to think of it, yeah I have been pretty low key over the Holidays.But Ihave been watching and listening to everything that's been posted lately. Speaking of Adrians "old" Maple Stadium can you give me a little history about it. Doesn't Adrian High School play there too? Back to the question posted a few weeks ago... I don't know if "K" College will affected by recruitment in that area because of the new tuition policy in that area of the state. You know it's good to see how well the MIAA tradition keeps going year after year. There was a magazine that was given to me during the football season... it was really cool because it had the history of the MIAA and greatest games ever played. I'll have to dig it for you guys and post some of the stories in it. Later. Take care. Thanks for your thoughts. Rookie.
PS Who is DAWG? A coach for Adrian??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on January 05, 2006, 05:57:10 pm
formerd3db:
 
I hope the christmas season and the new years were kind to you and that all is well in your neck of the woods.  First off for the stadium from what I am hearing, the ground between the 13th and 16th of this month.  The weather is treating us well for this plan and the final plans are al most finished from the word ive heard passed down.  The beauty of building the stadium is that we will be digging down 7 feet which is well below the frost line and which will allow a head start before the spring. As it stands the real bulk of work on the stadium is to be done from March to September.  The agreement which I have heard from the powers that be is that at the very least the stands, locker rooms, bleachers and lights will be done and ready to go for our first game of the season.  THis is a promising future for the program and once fully completed will give us facilities that are the best in the league.  After the stadium is done there will be numerous other improvements, the track will begin in the spring and baseball, softball, swimming pool and hockey rink are all to follow. 

As for the lacrosse program a coach willbe hired soon but the sport will still be club level for the 2006 season and it is supposed to be varsity starting in 2007.  It would be beneficial for us to have the rest of the league follow suit, however lacrosse is a growing sport down in Ohio so we will have some help in that area.  It should only help build the enrollment and improve the school as a whole. 

As for my location next year, I plan on being back with the Adrian staff and am looking to hopefully advance my position a bit from this year.  However time will tell what happens with any of the jobs at the college and that time will be coming shortly.  I do know that I would hate to have been a part of the program for the last 5 years and not get to see its rebirth in 2006.  The product weve been putting n the field is good and now the facilties will finally catch up.  My goal at the moment is to gain some more experience in a farmiliar locale and then take it and run, so in final answer im hoping to parlay my current job hopefully into a two year gig or so, baring something better coming on the radar but from what I hear i dont know if thats gonna be possible for other places to compete for a while with some of the packages ive heard mentioned for our staff next year.

Its an exciting time for the college and also for the league.  It was nice to see the presidents vote to allow us use of a football in our non traditional spring practices so that we are now creeping towards equal footing with other leagues in the area.  I wouldnt mind seeing our number of non traditional dates jump from the 9 the MIAA allows now to the 15 allowed by the NCAA, but all in due time hopefully.  I think the new president here at Adrian may help to change some thinking I hearhe played a large role in passing the ball usage in spring practice and hee brings some new ideas and a great attitdue to the league and to our campus.

Thats about all ive got for now.  Hope I answered some of your questions for ya!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 06, 2006, 03:50:13 pm
Rookie:
Sounds like you had good holidays.  Sometimes "low key" is better!  Ours were like that this year.  Regarding your questions:  Maple Stadium is a nice stadium, "bowl" type atmospehere to play in; many colleges and high schools would "give their eye teeth" to have such nice facilities.  The college has shared it with the h.s. for over three decades.  However, as our [Adrian] colleagues here on the MIAA board have noted, it is time for Adrian to return to an "on campus" stadium - will be very good for the students and just the "plain" old college football tradition atmosphere there.

DAWG is a former Adrian standout fb player who now is on the coaching staff there.  He is a good regular contributor to the board here - during the "off season" of course, as he adheres to the accepted protocol of current players, coaches, staff, etc. avoiding of posting during the season ;).  Off season posting for those people is acceptable, however. ;D  BTW, hope you enjoy the MIAA  history in the magazine - some very interesting stories over all the years.


DAWG:
Good to hear from you.  Holidays were low-key here at our "end of the woods" but that's okay and enjoying family during that time and celebrating the true reason is the most important.  Hope yours was good.

Certainly exciting to see all the new changes taking place at Adrian.  Glad to hear you will be back there again and sounds like you have a good long range "game plan" for your personal future career.  We'll look forward to seeing the new stadium next season.  Also, it is encouraging to know that the league presidents finally voted in common sense with regard to the use of a football during spring workouts.  There is no reason not to, yet still be able to keep the overall traditional perspectives in context.

Yes, I hope the rest of the league will follow in upgrading lacrosse.  Hope has a stable program (I believe Alma's is also).  Thanks again and keep in touch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 09, 2006, 03:58:15 pm
Being somewhat new to DIII football - why is it that hoops and baseball can have such involved"practices/games" to get ready for the season, yet we just now get to run drills with a football this year? The MIAA has a rich football history yet "dropped the ball?" when it comes to keeping up with the other sports.

It is great to see that most of the football fields are being improved,

Wish we had room on campus to put our new complex. We need to get a move on finishing our complex. Locker rooms, showers, home grandstand, restrooms instead of port-a-poties, would be nice.  :)

Any snow across the border there guys? It's all melted here in WI. Fog report says we will get hammered end of Feb first of March. Will see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on January 09, 2006, 09:57:22 pm
wlcalum:

The line of thinking which I have heard from other coaches and Athletic Directors in the league is that due to the fact that Football is the most popular and also the biggest in terms of program size that it is also the most legislated.  This is true at every level from Division I all the way to Division III, the Division I baseball season with the College World Series stretches deep into the summer, well past school calendars.  As it stands the MIAA jsut this year allowed usage of footballs in spring practices but we are still operating 6 days below the NCAA allowed number of days.  This is mainly due to the fact that administrators in the MIAA see the league as being superior academically to these other leagues and thus not wanting to take away from the educational aspect of college.  This reasoning is noble however when we hear administration sources talk of how the MIAA needs to be better represented in the postseason and what not, those same people must first allow the programs in our league which are all good programs the same equal footing as the competition.  Until the day that happens the MIAA will be playing from behind as 6 days may not seem alot, but when installing base offenses and defenses it can be the difference between useful camp time and simply wasting time teaching the basics and base plays.  At least those are my thoughts on it, any others would be welcome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on January 10, 2006, 03:00:38 pm
Seems to me, DAWG, that if league administrators are going to place an emphasis on postseason success, eventually they have to allow the programs to start on equal footing with their competition.  The MIAA is one of the strongest academic conferences in DIII, but I don't see how 6 more days will cause huge academic disruptions.  The league has come a long way, though.  I'm sure formerd3db could tell better stories than I about when the MIAA refused to enter NCAA playoffs at all due to a sense of academic pride (we're students, not athletes, they seemed to say).  Thank goodness we've balanced things a bit.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 10, 2006, 07:14:55 pm
wlcalum:
Regarding your other post, I wasn't aware (or perhaps forgot ???) that WLC's new facility was not on campus?  Nonetheless (and regardless of the context of what we've been discussing concerning that issue at Adrian), at least WLC has a very nice new facility and it can only help with recruiting student-athletes in the future there as you mention and point out.

DAWG, bulldogalum, and wlcalum:

All valid points on the spring football use in the MIAA.  I would have to agree that I don't believe that six more days in spring football workouts with the use of a football (or for that matter with or without a football) is going to have any detrimental effect on the academic aspects of the student-athletes.  They know their responsibilities and besides. . .the spring sport athletes are engaged in much more days/time that those who would be participating in spring football and who are therefore not involved in the "regular" season of that sport obviously at that time.  That argument (i.e. against having the additional 6 days) doesn't make sense, nor do I think it is valid.  On the other hand, at least the MIAA has taken a step to make a comprimise, unlike the NESCAC. ::)
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 11, 2006, 03:52:37 pm
As with any learning institution, elementary school through college, education comes first and extra curricular activities are second. We can all agree on that!
I believe we also are all proud of the fact the MIAA is storied in education. That being said - paying as much as we do for our education, how many kids put more into sports than they do the books? Not many I would bet. While some kids will come to a school for the sports program, the vast majority are there for the sheepskin. Now should DIII ever award scholarships for sports...  ;D

I cannot see where six extra days of organized practice in the spring for our football program would affect book learning one bit. The benefits to our football programs would be huge. Lets hear more talk from our alum to get these things rolling.

Is football the only sport in the MIAA operating under the maximum allowed days of practice? Do the other sports use their full number of days?

fd3db - The sports complex is only about 4 blocks away from the college(half a mile or so). No room near campus unless they bulldoze houses and a hospital.  8)  You can see the big screen from Hwy45 when driving in from the north. Driving in from the south, Bluemound Road is the campus exit - Watertown Plank Road (the very next exit) is the complex exit. Keep imroving those facilities!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 11, 2006, 10:24:38 pm
WLCalum:
Valid points.  Also, your stadium being only 4 blocks away then, is really not that far and thus, certainly much different situation than was at Adrian.  Most likely, in future years, WLC will probably have the opportunity to buy land between the stadium and current campus, thereby expanding it to include the complex.  That indeed, is what has essentially happened at Hope, with the new huge Fieldhouse and campus expansion to the athletic fields soccer, baseball, track, indoor tennis complex, athletic training building buy the fields and football stadium which are at that end of the campus now. 

Flea Shooter:
It will remain to be seen if the other MIAA colleges follow suit regarding elevating their club lacrosse teams to varsity sports and even perhaps reinstating women's field hockey which was a huge sport with good traditon in the MIAA for many years.  That was dropped when women's soccer was added, but I would like to see that sport reinstated.  The eastern DIII schools still have it and so should the MIAA schools.
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Post by: wlcalum on January 12, 2006, 08:00:43 pm
fd3db ;D ;D ;D

Think that the DOT would have a BIG problem with WLC tearing down Hwy45 to ajoin the campus and complex. In all actuality I do belive the campus and complex are in two different cities. One is in Milwaukee and the other is in Wauwatosa. Even some of the campus housing is in different cities as you have to get an overnight parking pass from both depending what side of the street you park on. Only numerous parking tickets on different streets teach you those lessons. Life in the big city... ain't it great.  ::) ::) ::) Give me a couple acres in the north country, surrounded by trees, and you would never see me again.  8)
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Post by: albinomascot19 on January 23, 2006, 07:15:33 am
I am a 5th year senior at Albion College.  It would have been nice to graduate in 05, but coming back for another year, I saw some great MIAA football.  The league got pretty tight, and in the end Albion prevailed.  However, it was another year of struggle for the MIAA, as Albion wasn't able to pull through with a win in the playoffs against Wabash College, as they fell in Crawfordsville, Indiana 38-20.  I hope one day in the near future the competition will soon rise, and we will be at the same playing field as other schools.  There isn't any real constitency that I have seen, as such the case in basketball, where the MIAA is deemed as one of the best conferences, if not the best.  For Football, we are seen to be at the very bottom.  I dont know if recruiting poses an issue.  I have a dream of an MIAA team lifting the hardware sometime in the future, but right now we need to focus on just having a team win a game in the playoffs.

Even though that mystical playoff win didn't come, I was glad to see the competition in the MIAA.  I was able to travel to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where I saw Albion battle it out against Wisconsin Lutheran.  Might I say, I was very impressed with the stadium.  The warriors have a very nice field to play on.  I remember Wisconsin Lutheran used to play their games on University of Marquette's multi purpose field, but now Warriors fans can come to a stadium which they can call their own.  Also there was a nice big scoreboard, along with a screen which was playing animations.   In addition to that, the refs were miked up for the game.   It was cold, and rainy that day, but we all stuck through it to the end.  Oh yeah might I say I loved the Qdoba Grill....some great mexican food (they gave out for free, which is always a plus).

I also made the trip to Crawfordsville.  Man, what can I say, that stadium gets louder than any other stadium I have been to.  It had a lot of life to it.  The students were pretty into the game.  There were a lot of fans on the Albion side, which is always nice to see.   The game could have been something special, however that changed, as Shane Brogan couldnt hold on to the ball in the endzone.  Also the blocked punt didnt help either.  I felt there were just a lot of miscues that took place, and Albion didnt play their style of football.  Once they were rattled, it had an affect on the entire game. 

In all it was a good season for Albion, as they gained their first MIAA championship since 2001.  It was an exciting season for all the other teams involved too. 
I hope everyone has enjoyed the holidays.  I will be looking forward to another season of MIAA football, but as an alumn in Fall 06.

I am curious, as to who will be setting their eyes on an MIAA Championship run.   
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Post by: bulldogalum on January 23, 2006, 05:43:51 pm
Next year in the MIAA should be very interesting.  Unless I'm mistaken, most MIAA schools have to find new QBs, although I think Brehm is back for Alma.  Who will this affect the most?  I think Albion could have a hard time early, as Wasil has been the only QB for them for some time.  Hope should be strong, as usual, and I would imagine my Bulldogs will again be competitive in the league, especially with the opening of the new stadium.  Olivet was a dangerous team last year, will that continue next year?  Will they take a step up and win the conference? 

With Brehm back, Alma has to be the preseason favorite.
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Post by: albinomascot19 on January 23, 2006, 06:25:16 pm
Word out at the moment is that Albion has picked up a transfer from Tri-State University at the quarterback postion.  Further details will be posted later.  All I heard is he was at Tri State just briefly.  After an 0-10, 0-7 season, I am sure there have been some players 2nd guessing returning to Tri-State.  I believe Albion will feature Jake Wilson as the starting quarterback, as he will be a Senior in the fall.  He was mainly a backup to Wasil, and hasnt gotten many snaps in.  I haven't seen him in enough to make any assesments on his play.  However, many of his teammates say he should do well.  Just like the rest of the league, I agree there will be a shuffling of quarterbacks.  Nothing is set in stone, who will the Brits quarterback, but the front runner seems to be Jake Wilson at the moment.  He will have a hard time filling the shoes of departed QB Steve Wasil who finished his Senior season throwing 33 touchdowns, against only 12 picks, and 3,313 passing yards.

The fall should provide another year of MIAA Football at its finest.  I think this will be the year when the winless streak in the playoffs ends, and everyone can focus on bigger goals for the years to come.       
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Post by: wlcalum on January 23, 2006, 06:27:40 pm
albionmascot - thanks for the nice complements. We are really looking forward to having the complex finished. The food is good isn't it?!

bulldog - we are also bringing back our young QB. He will be a junior and learned a lot last year. With him takiing all the snaps lat year and the league leading running back returning we should have a fairly potent offense. Looking forward to the season.
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Post by: albinomascot19 on January 23, 2006, 08:02:35 pm
wlcalum:  No prob for the compliments.  You all have a start of an art football stadium.  So just curious, are refs are always miked up for the games?  Plus they must have spent a lot of money on the stadium.  I am curious as to how they were able to get funding for it.   Will the rest of the community play on it as well, such as the surrounding high schools?  I know you have been posting on the board for a little less than a year now, but so are you a former football player, or just a graduate, who supports Warrior football?

It was nice to have Wisconsin Lutheran in the league, too bad they are leaving the MIAA.  I know it must have been quite a hassle for traveling purposes, playing league games in Michigan.  I remember the first time I saw Albion play Wisconsin Lutheran, they had a fair share of fan support.  Now I am sure it will only continue from here.   I wish you well for next season.   
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Post by: bulldogalum on January 23, 2006, 10:39:56 pm
wlcalum:

Good to hear you have a returning QB.  I haven't yet gotten to see Wisconsin Lutheran, though hopefully next year I'll get a chance.  Seems like when they played at Adrian, I had other obligations on those days, and of course Albion had to go to your place this year, I couldn't quite make the trip.  I'm already excited to see some great football action next year.  Unfortunately it's quite some time before we get to that point. 
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Post by: albinomascot19 on January 24, 2006, 12:24:12 am
bulldogalum:  Do you know when Adrian College will be completing the new stadium?  Whats the status of the stadium, if you can give me any info, that'd be great. 
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Post by: bulldogalum on January 24, 2006, 09:11:26 am
As far as I know, the plan is to play in the new stadium next season.  I don't know if the stadium will be fully completed at that point, but they're expecting to have the essentials finished.  They're building the stadium behind the Merillat Center, and they're digging down 7 feet to so as to create a distinct bowl effect around the entire field.  I'll be interested to see how far they've gotten by next fall.
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Post by: matblake on January 24, 2006, 01:03:49 pm
Taking a look at next year's schedule, the usual MIAA vs CCIW clashes are taking shape.  Looks like Olivet is playing both Illinois Wesleyan and Elmhurst.  Both Albion and Hope are taking on Wheaton.

Since Wheaton has played Hope frequently over the past 10 years or so and Albion was the Pool A from the MIAA, I am at least familiar with them.  However, I have not heard much about Olivet.  Are they still playing the single wing?  I think like 2 years ago they had a mammoth rushing attack?
 
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Post by: wlcalum on January 25, 2006, 06:32:19 pm
albion19

I would classify myself as a fan/supporter of WLC football. Never played for WLC but have a son who did and many friends of past and current players. Have been on this board for at least three years and reading it for about five. As long as WLC has had football. Think I got deleated when we changed over.

Yes the refs are miked for each game. Not sure of the financing aspect of the complex but do know donations, donations, donations. Have heard that the field could be used for local teams and other events. Still working on the details last I heard.

I never had a problem with the travel - except for the one time I overslept.  :( Driving through Chicago was the biggest hassle but got good at it over the years.  :) Will miss the fans of the MIAA. Really enjoyed the convesations I had with all the other alum. Will watch your progress after we leave next year. Looking forward to a quick summer and a new start to the football season.
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Post by: albinomascot19 on January 25, 2006, 10:00:20 pm
Albion picked up Freshmen transfer QB Zak Ford from Tri-State University.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 26, 2006, 05:18:24 pm
Don't know the kid, and not trying to be smart, but is this a great find for Albion getting a freshman qb from an 0-for team?
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Post by: bulldogalum on January 26, 2006, 10:14:47 pm
Excellent question, wlcalum.  I don't know anything about this kid either, but the fact that he wants to leave there after one year suggests that maybe he found their system to be less than desirable ???.  Perhaps he just wound up at the wrong place.  Of course, one could argue that he's not going to be the right place in Albion ;).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 27, 2006, 01:38:57 pm
How does the old saying go? The only good jobs are the one you are going to and the one you just left.  ;D
Hope it works out for the young man and for Albion and he gets a good education.

Another question for you all. How many of your guys head to Europe for summer football? I know of a couple from WLC who have gone in the past and a couple more going this year. Good experiances so far.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on January 27, 2006, 08:29:14 pm
Last summer Adrian went as a team to Ireland to play a game, and I think in the summer of 2002 they went to Spain.  It has been a great team builder over the past few years for the Bulldogs.
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Post by: wlcalum on January 27, 2006, 11:19:13 pm
Now that has to cost some major cash!! Do they budget for that? What a good thing to do to strengthen the team spirit. Go to Europe and see some sights, play some ball, and...  ;)
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Post by: bulldogalum on January 28, 2006, 10:57:15 am
I know they do major fundraising to pay for that trip, and I think the players still have to pay some out of their own pocket.  The whole team doesn't necessarily go, but a good portion of the players make the trip.  They've had a great experience in the past, and I'm sure they'll continue that as often as the NCAA allows it.
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on January 29, 2006, 12:53:20 pm
To all speaking on Europe:

I know that Adrian has had two players in the past go over to play "proffesionally" in europe and that they both had good experiences.  As for the team trips we at Adrian take one every three years and as it stands are the only team in the area that regualrly ventures across the pond.  We have been to Spain(4 years ago) and Ireland last summer.  I was lucky enouigh to be part of these trips once as a player and once as a coach and I can say they are a great team building expeince.  On top of going overseas and beating up on some people who arent good at football yet, I got to see places I never would have seen which was nice.  We do a very good fundraising job for the trip, last year taking around 40 kids and raising over 40,000.00  as far as I know since all kids payed only about half of the price for the trip.
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Post by: bulldogalum on January 29, 2006, 02:16:16 pm
Thanks for the clarification, DAWG.  I should have passed the question to you to begin with.
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Post by: albinomascot19 on February 01, 2006, 07:40:02 am
By the way about the freshmen transfer from Tri-State to Albion, it was a decision I believe he made on his own.  I havent met up with the guy, but I know hes here at Albion this semester.  I am not sure how he will fit into Albion's plans.  I heard from one guy he has a decent arm, but more than likely Jake Wilson will take over quarterback responsibility for his senior season.  I think Albion is going to have a lot to grapple with, especially with losing QB Steve Wasil.  Just have to see, what type of recruits Coach Rundle brings to campus in the fall, as they will definitely have an impact on the success for the Britons in the 2006 campaign. 
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 01, 2006, 09:29:13 am
Hope looks like they might be in for a tough year next year, graduating the QB, their best WR's and now Booko has dropped out of school?  How are they gonna fill all those holes along with what they lose on the oline?  Coach Kreps always seems to make the most of his talent there but this looks like a pretty bare cupboard of skill position right now?
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Post by: wlcalum on February 01, 2006, 05:40:36 pm
Come on you guys... If I remember correctly you all had over 100 players on the roster!!  :) Granted not all are the caliber of what you lost, but try filling the holes with less than 70 guys on the roster like we have to do every year. Not complaining, just chiding a bit.

We will have to replace two outstanding O linemen, and our three best defensive players. We will be OK as we return the leagues best runnning back and a QB who improved greatly as a Soph. D will really have to step it up and stop the yards to give us a chance to break 500. Will be depending on some young and less experianced guys this fall. No worries mate.  ;D
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Post by: wlcalum on February 04, 2006, 07:00:49 am
Anyone looking good for the pro combines? I really think Lewis from Adrian could make a go of it at the next level. Who elso do you see giving it a shot?

Were you aware the Steelers have a DIII player on the team? Kriewaldt was at Stevens Point - guess he is a special teamer but has started two games at linebacker this year. Wisconsin native and the local papers are touting his graces.
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Post by: bulldogalum on February 05, 2006, 10:52:06 pm
Cody Rudolph is also going to a combine from Adrian.  In case the name doesn't sound familiar, he's an offensive lineman for the Bulldogs, and a darn good one. 
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Post by: bulldogalum on February 06, 2006, 11:04:12 pm
BTW, I was in Adrian this weekend, and was thrilled to see that construction had begun on the new football stadium.  There is currently a fleet of bulldozers standing on the field, ready to dig down 7 feet to create the bowl.  Exciting stuff.
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Post by: formerd3db on February 07, 2006, 04:50:41 pm
bulldogalum:
That is exciting to hear.  Keep us posted. 
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Post by: wlcalum on February 08, 2006, 01:44:03 pm
bulldogalum:

Good luck to your guys at the combines - hope they get noticed and give er a try.

Gotta ask, why would anyone want to be a O lineman? The only time you get noticed is when holding is called against you!  :o For the last two years we have had the leading rusher... this past year two of our O linemen only made the second team. Makes you wonder who opened those holes for our running back! Musta been the D linemen busting through.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 08, 2006, 01:56:06 pm
O linemen might not get the respect they deserve from fans, tv commentators, and outside observers, but I guarantee you their teammates appreciate their work.

As to why a person would want to be an O lineman, I would imagine everyone would prefer to be a QB, WR, or RB, but some people just aren't built for it.  Those folks still love football, and want to play.  So I guess they buy into the team concept...helping the team reach a higher level, while at the same time learning to love pancaking guys.
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Post by: bulldogalum on February 19, 2006, 07:12:45 pm
Well, a lot of dirt has been moved around at the yet-to-be-named-stadium-behind-the-Merillat-Center.  They're about 2 feet down in the main bowl, and at the moment it's kind of hard to imagine what the final product will look like, but it's good to see things moving along.
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 20, 2006, 12:26:24 am
bulldogalum:

Correction as of friday they are actually 7 feet fown in the majority of the bowl.  The one side has the bowl dug in already and the other half will be completed soon. THe diggins is going quickly and everyone at the college is excited to see things moving along so quickly. The promise has been made by all parties involved that we will be practicing on it in August and having an alumnis father being the construction manager isnt hurting our chances any!
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Post by: bulldogalum on February 20, 2006, 10:31:51 am
Thanks for the update, DAWG.  From now on, I should leave the updating to you, as you're actually IN Adrian more often than once every few weeks!  BTW...how are the Bulldogs looking for recruits next year?
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 02, 2006, 07:48:58 pm
Adrian College Stadium Update:

Stadium digging is complete, footers were being poured for the facility today.  Final plans have come through, colors, tiles, everything. New 137 locker locker room, everything is looking great.  Front wall of stadium to be done in two weeks with framing of building complete in march and turf process begining in march with final process starting in may.  Progress is ahead of schedule and we should be practicing on it come August 16th.  Water mains are being re routed and the ground for the Hockey Rink should be broken in July with swimming pool in october from the on campus chatter.
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Post by: formerd3db on March 03, 2006, 03:48:33 pm
DAWG:

Thanks for the stadium update friend.  Sounds exciting, and even more so to see I'm sure.  An ice hockey rink, also, wow!  Does Adrian have a collegiate hockey club team like Hope and Calvin do?  Please keep us posted on further progress.
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Post by: bulldogalum on March 03, 2006, 08:00:16 pm
  An ice hockey rink, also, wow!  Does Adrian have a collegiate hockey club team like Hope and Calvin do? 

We haven't had a club hockey team, to my knowledge, but it looks like we'll be starting one.  President Docking was quite the hockey player in his day, according to some stories I've heard, so it doesn't surprise me that he wants to introduce hockey to the Adrian campus.
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Post by: 79jaybird on March 09, 2006, 04:31:40 pm
What is the off season word(s) from Olivet's neck of the woods?  I am the play-by-play voice of the Elmhurst Bluejays and we travel to Olivet this fall.  This will by my 6th year covering Elmhurst football and my first trip to the great state of Michigan.  Just from looking at Olivet's Website it seems that Livedoti has really sparked this program and has it on the upswing.
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Post by: formerd3db on March 10, 2006, 01:14:30 pm
jaybird:
It was actually former coach Irv Siegler who got Olivet back on track of recent, although Livedotti had a hand in that as well as his associate head coach.  Livedotti took over when Siegler retired (this is actually Livedotti's second stint as head coach at Olivet - he was HC at DII Wayne State before returning to his alma mater.  Both he and Siegler were All-MIAA fb'ers at Olivet and are in the schools HOF.)

Anyway, I don't know what the current status is in regards to recruits or prospect on this upcoming year's team.  I would think they would build on what they had this year (after going 8-2 the year prior).  I will try to find out some info for you, although Rome, who posts here (he hasn't for awhile) is an Olivet follower and he usually has the inside scoop for us.  Perhaps he can fill us in on current status.
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Post by: 79jaybird on March 11, 2006, 12:13:55 pm
formerd3db-- thank you and I hope all is well with you and your family.  I am looking forward to the game.  Now in my 6th year doing EC football games, this will be my first road trip to a Michigan school.
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Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 11, 2006, 04:46:43 pm
Traditionally Livedotti has been a fun and gun one back guy whereas Siegler was a wingT adherent I believe.

With this being Livedottis second go around as head coach at Olivet I was expecting a hybrid of the two systems.  It would seem the expertise in the one back pass game complemented the Wing T as the base more than wing T run game affluence has shown  transfer to the one back. 

While traditional Belly and Down series doesnt translate to the one back, weak belly counter, stretch as a derivative down and speed pitch/option do.  Will be interesting to see if Livedotti can open up the run game some more to complement his genius in the pass game.

Would make sense if the kids already in camp are previously acclimated to the pulling, waggle and kick out blocking of the wing t to incorporate some double wing hybrid for Livedottis oneback.

Many one backs live and die by the blast, but there is potential if the wings can tote the rock from handoff for sprint rollout and waggle as opposed to simple cup.  Much of this hinges on the type of oneback recruited.  One would think a buck would be more appropriate than say a scatback.

The type of back Livedotti is already dealing with, or the type of back he is bringing in might indicate what his intentions are as should the mobility of the quarterback.     

signed,
Gerald Riggs III
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on March 12, 2006, 12:01:54 pm
jaybird, what can we expect to see from Elmhurst next season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 12, 2006, 09:10:06 pm
jaybird:
You are welcome and hope all is well with you too.  Will post some additional info on Olivet later on, if we hear about such.

MacLeod:

I think you are right.  This should be the year that will perhaps help to see in what direction Lividotti's system might be going.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 12, 2006, 09:12:44 pm
bulldogalum:

Hope you are doing well also and studies going well too.  I've seen the progression photos of Adrian's stadium on their athletic website.  Looks great and very exciting.

I know you are busy, but what do you hear, if anything about Adrian's potential recruits and/or spring practice status this year?  Also, how about your former Bulldog golf team, since you are a former member of that?
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Post by: bulldogalum on March 12, 2006, 10:28:39 pm
formerd3db:

I have been busy, and things are about to get REALLY ugly in a couple of weeks, but I try to keep up with things to some extent.  All I've heard about Adrian's football recruiting class and about next season is that they're excited about how things are looking.  They think they've got a real shot at a ring next year, and based on their success the past few years, I don't see why they wouldn't be a contender.  According to a source currently in the admissions department, enrollment numbers in general are looking way up, so that's encouraging to hear. 

I always thought, during my days at Adrian, that the people (i.e. the coaches, professors, students, etc...) were first rate, but some of the facilities needed to be improved, and the administration was largely clueless and disinterested.  This may be a bit unfair, but I think the fact that, the moment a new administration came in, the dining hall, athletic facilities, and residential facilities were slated to be upgraded says a lot.  At any rate, I think their goal is to be around 1500-1600 students in the next few years.  That's right about where the current campus funtions best as far as numbers are concerned.

As for the golf team, they've got a decent crew returning.  Coach Riley will no longer be coaching golf, as they're making that a full time position and hiring a new coach.  The new coach has not been officially announced yet.  I know a high school teammate of mine was in the running for awhile, but unfortunately is no longer being considered.  Once they get a coach in place, they can really start recruiting for next year.  They want to be very competitive on a national level, but you have to walk before you can run.  They'll be looking for a coach who can recruit like crazy, so we'll see.

On a side note, I made it out to the golf course yesterday, and actually exhibited signs of a real, living, breathing golf game.  Hopefully it doesn't die with my lack of free time between now and finals.
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Post by: 79jaybird on March 13, 2006, 09:35:05 am
Bulldog

Elmhurst runs a spread system and "fun and gun" is a term that I would also use to describe their offense.  Tom Journell ( HC) likes to throw some trick plays in the bag early and likes "quick strikes"  vs. opponents.
Last year we had 2 strong TE's so we had a double tight setup frequently. 
I am curious to see what formations we have this year. We lost our All Conf. running back, All American Tight End, and Elm record breaking receiver all to graduation. 
I can tell you Elmhurst uses all of the field and is not afraid to try "daring" plays. We have a solid 3rd year Quarterback and a strong offensive line.  The real question mark is how our "skilled" positions will be filled in with the new players.
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Post by: formerd3db on March 13, 2006, 11:19:06 am
bulldog:
Thanks for the follow-up and update info.  Indeed things look very positive for the improvements at Adrian.  I was concerned earlier last summer when I saw their enrollment number was way down (under 1000).  As you mention, though, these new improvements in all areas (not just athletics) should help the school tremendously.  I agree that the enrollment # you mention would be the ideal for them.

As far as the golf team, good that they are now making the coaching position full-time.

Good luck on your finals - I know how that is not much fun in "crunch time", but I know you will do well.  Thanks for your always positive contribution to posting here and the other boards.  Hang in there and talk to you later.
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Post by: bulldogalum on March 13, 2006, 11:59:46 am
jaybird:  Sounds like an exciting approach from Elmhurst.  I don't usually make trips to Olivet unless I must  :) but it may be worth it to watch these two teams square off.  You should enjoy Olivet's football facilities, as they just opened a new stadium last year.

formerd3db:  Thanks for the well wishing on the finals.  I did alright first semester, and I'm hoping to continue that this spring.  It's a hectic time, but it'll be over soon.  What have you been up to?  Don't you have a presentation on some historical research coming up (or has it already been presented?)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 13, 2006, 12:26:12 pm
Bulldog-- I am the "voice" of the Bluejays.  This will be my 6th year doing the play-by-play after 2 years of playing for the team.  I am always eager to visit new schools and new Stadiums.  Sounds like this will be a real treat.  Also sounds like both teams are similar and improving within the last 3-4 years.  In my 6 years this will be my first game in Michigan.
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Post by: formerd3db on March 13, 2006, 08:15:25 pm
bulldogalum:
You are most welcome.  Also, you indeed have a good memory!  Yes, my (my co-author and my that is) new book is coming out this weekend (actually has been released by the publisher as we email) and the conference, unveiling of the book and my/our presentation is this upcoming weekend.  An exciting time.  I have not yet seen the final book itself since it has been released (shipped), but am told it turned out fabulous at least to the numberous illustrations it contains (some new previously unpublished ones and other information as well).  Here's hoping (no pun intended ;D) the critics will feel the same about the substance of the text!  We'll see what happens.  Take care and talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on March 13, 2006, 10:53:44 pm
BTW, formerd3db, how are the Dutchmen looking heading into next season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 13, 2006, 11:06:53 pm
bulldogalum:

Someone asked me that awhile back.  I still haven't had a chance to get an update from the coaches, but anticpate doing that in the near future.  My own personal take is that QB will indeed be the major position in question.  The 3 year starter has graduated and the backups have little experience.   So it should be anyone's to take - even a frosh could make a run at it.  Also, our DB's and O and D line need to step up - next year.  Some had inconsistent games.  Always seem to have a good crop of receivers; also rumor has it the starting RB might not return.  I can't refute or confirm that at present, so I don't want to comment further.  Will try to find out as prior mentioned however. 

BTW, I assume you are taking a break from all that hard studying in posting at this hour? ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on March 14, 2006, 09:16:30 am
BTW, I assume you are taking a break from all that hard studying in posting at this hour? ;D ;)

Hey now, take it easy on the struggling law student. ;) 

I usually do my reading and make notes in my book in the afternoon-early evening after I get out of class, and then later at night, I put some of those notes on my laptop in narrative form in case I get called on (especially the facts and procedural posture of a case, in the event that I'm called on).  While I'm putting those notes into the computer, I've gotten pretty good at multitasking.  In between cases, I usually take a few minutes to clear my mind. 

As I write this, I'm in between classes.  There's not really enough time to get anything done, and all my work for today is finished, so I've got a bit of time. ;D

Good luck unveiling your book :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 14, 2006, 09:29:00 am
formerd3db-- Congratulations and best wishes on the new book. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 14, 2006, 11:26:03 am
bulldogalum:
Sounds like you have a good system.  Again, good luck on the upcoming exams.  Also, thanks for the well wishes on the book.

jaybird:
Thank you also for the book well wishes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 14, 2006, 03:12:24 pm
Quite an honor and culmination of many hours of work!  Someday I hope our paths cross and we can meet in person.  We will have to get the AD's to schedule an Elmhurst/Hope game  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 14, 2006, 03:20:04 pm
jaybird:
Yes, that would be a good game to see.  I know that DePauw and Wheaton are booked on Hope's schedule for the next few years, which is good.  Perhaps, though, when Wisconsin Lutheran leaves after the 2007 season, a game with Elmhurst could be slotted.  I'll have to check Hope's future schedules - not sure if they are already filled up as I don't have them right in front of me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 14, 2006, 04:27:10 pm
Wisconsin Lutheran!!  Wheaton and DePauw are quality non conf. opponents.  Adding a 2nd CCIW school would be very attractive.  I am good friends with the WLC fb coach.  He has really been great in developing that program from scratch.  We will have to see.  I know Elmhurst has a 4 more years with Chicago and a home and home with Olivet.  I would like them to discontinue playing Benedictine, but IBC is attractive to Elmhurst because of location.  Elmhurst--Lisle, is a good rivalry based solely on geography.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on March 25, 2006, 11:36:20 pm
formerd3db:

Two things:

1)  Happy Birthday, Old Man!  Hope it was a good one for you.

2)  This Monday (the 27th) the History Channel is doing a show on a shipwreck in the Alpena area, thought you might be interested.

Now back to the football talk...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 26, 2006, 07:33:22 pm
bulldogalum:
Thanks my friend!  But like everyone else at this age (including your dad, who as you know I got to see yesterday which was a great thrill for me), I'm not counting anymore, just celebrating I guess.

Also, thanks for the info on the shipwreck program - I'll look for it tomorrow.  Hope your exams went well.  We'll keep in touch on the boards here too.  Talk to you later!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 27, 2006, 10:13:58 am
Happy Birthday Formerd3db  and many happy returns to the day. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 27, 2006, 05:26:47 pm
Thank you friend.  LIke most people at this stage, I am not counting anymore - just having "22nd Annual Birthday Celebrations"! ;D  Hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 28, 2006, 12:28:47 pm
Hi former, age is just a number and it is how you feel.  I can't believe that in 2 years I will have my 10 yr High School Reunion!  :o
I am feeling great and I hope you are the same.  The paper is coming along smoothly as we are getting more and more sponsors to join our ship.  I am still shooting for an August 2006 "rebirth".

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 28, 2006, 07:30:08 pm
jaybird:
You are a young guy for sure!!  Good news about the paper - sounds great.  Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 29, 2006, 12:47:21 pm
I felt old this past week.  I went to my old High School ( Prospect in Mt. Prospect, IL)  to go and see my 16 year old Cousin play a baseball game.  He is a promising Sophomore playing for Notre Dame H.S. ( Niles, IL).  The ironic thing is 10 years ago, I was in my Cousin's shoes, playing on our field.  He is like a little brother to me and it was a moment of the "circle of life".  Tying this to football, it is great to be apart of young athletes as we are all a member of the football fraternity.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 01, 2006, 07:21:16 am
Jaybird - you are young. Wait till you post about watching your grandchildren playing ball!!

In two years you have your 10th? Next year is my 30th!! Yes, yes I'm old!!  ;D Start the old man jokes here _______
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 01, 2006, 05:34:15 pm
wlcalum:
I don't throw stones (or boomerangs)! ;)  I'm with you!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on April 01, 2006, 11:53:00 pm
So long as you're both young enough to remember the good ol' days, you're alright ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 02, 2006, 11:00:52 am
Ahh the good old days - let's see... what did I do yesturday?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 02, 2006, 03:27:53 pm
bulldogalum:
Thanks!  BTW, saw your post on the baseball board.  Looks like your alma mater is in control so far.  Also, hope your exams went well.

wlcalum:
Uh, oh, you'd better be care; you'll be having me doing the same thing. ;D  BtW, what have you heard, if anything, about wlc potential incoming fb class? (realizing, of course, that at DIII, no one really knows until first day of camp as to seeing who actually shows up.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 02, 2006, 10:37:14 pm
fd3db

News is not really forthcomming as yet - from what I have heard.

My information sources are beginning to dry up as most have graduated or will this year. Will still make the trips to Milwaukee this year to watch the games as I still know a few of the boys that will be seniors, but don't think I will make all the road trips as I have the last four years. Will really miss talking to all the fans. We do have some relation in MI but they live further north and east but a long road trip is not totally out of the question. At least your gasoline is cheaper there across the border.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on April 03, 2006, 02:22:11 pm
Wlc alum and formerd3db,

hehe,  I don't make jokes about old age(s) and such.  Some of my best friends are older and wiser.
Any news from Olivet?  I am eager to learn more about the Comets who we play this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 03, 2006, 07:34:17 pm
wlcalum:
I know what you mean about the travel.  It is fun but can be tedious; and your're right about gas prices being in play.  Anyway, if you get the chance to make the WLC @ Hope game Nov 11th (reg season final) let me know.  I'm sure we'll be continuing correspondence on this board long before then.

79jaybird:
Haven't heard anything.  If I do, though, I will let you know.  While Olivet does update their athletic website, they somehow don't seem to mention much about the the sports that are in their "off-seasons", including football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 06, 2006, 08:43:25 pm
The only thing that makes these gas prices tolerable is that I am lucky enough to own an E85, flex fuel Tahoe. I last paid 1.99 per gallon as everyone else is paying 2.65. I think the E10 was only 2.61 so it is cheaper at the E85 stations than regular filling stations, don't understand that?  ??? It can be a challenge finding an E85 station but they are popping up more all the time.

Gas milage is the same, as long as you keep your foot out of the V8  ;D as is the power. I notice no difference at all.

I will burn the corn and help the farmers - rather than help the rich get richer. 'Course the wife does own stock with Amoco so our retierment may be better than first expected!  ::)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 07, 2006, 03:47:19 pm
I read today in the Grand Rapids Press that the MIAA is allowing schools to have nine days of spring practice.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 07, 2006, 04:12:20 pm
That is great news and will help break up the winter routine. Is nine the max allowed? Thought I read where there could be 13?? Wish we got as many as DI.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 07, 2006, 05:31:20 pm
The max is 16, actually.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on April 08, 2006, 12:07:31 pm
Yes, the max is 16 but by MIAA ruling our schools are only allowed 9 sessions of 2 hours each.  It is a god send that we are allowed to use a football this year though, it really lends a whole new air of functionallity to the sessions.  It would be great if we could get pads allowed for the practices at some point in the future and use them as actual spring ball but at this point im happy with the baby steps of being allowed to use a football.  The stadium is really shaping up in Adrian all the digging is done and you can really get a feel for the bowl that will be there next year.  The footers are all in and the light pole bases are being poured as well its all moving ahead of schedule.  Brick works is starting in the next week and the bleachers arrive on the 17th.  Once all the bleachers go in its going ot be a quick process of getting the building up and rounding everything off before the field starts in May from what we are hearing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 10, 2006, 11:10:27 am
DAWG:
Thanks for the update.  That sounds very exciting.  I've seen some of the "cam" photos of construction and it looks very good.  We'll be excited to see it.  Also, thanks for the update on spring practice at Adrian.  Although I attended Hope's lacrosse game this past weekend, I haven't had a chance to ask about Hope's spring football sessions.  BTW, we beat you guys in lacrosse at Adrian on Friday as you know!  Sorry, just couldn't resist putting in that last one! ;)  Hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 14, 2006, 12:35:59 am
It is good news to hear that improvements are progressing quickly with the new football stadiums.

It is also great news that the MIAA has, at last, decided to get football on the front page and allowing more practices and this year with a football!!?

Not being an old timer with the MIAA, I cannot understand, why they have waited for sooo long to get with the program. While I understnd change is a hard thing to do, if they want to be a contender,? a serious contender,? they need to get all the spring practice in they can and get into some serious recruiting.

With the new stadiums being built it seems that an honest effort is being made to improve the football programs, great job MIAA, but etter recruiting and spring practices are needed to bring the MIAA up a notch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 14, 2006, 12:29:59 pm
This is just the way the MIAA is. They didn't allow schools to play 10 games until a few years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 15, 2006, 08:10:31 am
Thanks Pat - I think?

Come on there fellow MIAA'ers what can we do to get full practices with pads, and better recruiting? With the money being spent on the stadiums and going to games someone should be able to shake things up a bit to improve the MIAA post season play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 15, 2006, 08:33:40 am
wlcalum:

Pat is correct.  Regarding history, the MIAA has always been somewhat "lagging in following suit" so to speak.  For years, the league banned post-season play for its football teams (1960-1977; Hillsdale College, now DII, was then an MIAA powerhouse and resigned from the league (ahead of time as it was going to be kicked out) for going to a bowl game against Iowa State).  The MIAA felt it was too expensive and that student-athletes would miss too much class time.  Of course, those aspects have been resolved today with the current NCAA format.  The MIAA, which has high academic standards by most of its schools now allows post-season play for all sports (unlike the hypocritical NESCA and the Ivy Leauge ;D).

At any rate, as you mention, spring workouts certainly can't hurt (although everyone i.e. other conferences have the same opportunity so not sure how that would overall affect aspects).  On the other hand, and we've had much discussion on this in the past here on the board as you already know, scheduling tougher non-conference opponents on a consistent basis is what will benefit the MIAA teams better in that respect (aside from individual recruiting, of course).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 24, 2006, 10:19:08 pm
I had the opportunity to watch some of Hope's spring football practice on Saturday.  A gorgeous day.  Returning players seem to be in pretty good conditioning for this time of year.  Agility drills looked good and offensive plays against the defense looked pretty good and fast (although obviously this is run through drills without pads).  Defense looks like it might need a little work.  Punters and special teams looked very sharp.  Some really booming spiral punts against a rush even.

It will be interesting to see how the incoming freshmen look this year.  Not sure every returning player was in Saturday's practice (obviously not since some playing other spring sports), however, numbers looked a little down.  I have not heard how many prospective recruits are sleighted to come in; might not have the 140 players for Auguest roster we've had the past several years.  On the other hand, I could be wrong for as we all know, that is unpredictable for the most part until you see who actually reports/shows up to camp in August in DIII.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on April 25, 2006, 09:42:36 am
former, that is one of the things that I really like about d3, there is always players that seem to come out of nowhere.  You never know truly what you have as a fan until you get it.  I could have told you that Mt. Union would have talented guys to plug in for injured players, but to be able to predict a Nate Kmic (Stagg Bowl MOP) at this level is more difficult than the "lower" divisions. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on May 06, 2006, 03:56:17 am
Nate Kmic is one thing, but when you have a wide receiver in Pierre Garcon, who can burn everyone, you know you are going somewhere.  This guy is totally unbelieveable.  In the championship game this past season he was able to burn everyone.  He came from Norwich where he played some good football, and then decided to transfer to the DIII powerhouse machine Mt. Union, and I dont blame him.  On a side note Mt. Union needs to move up to at least DII.  I would love to see them play against Grand Valley State.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on May 06, 2006, 03:58:44 am
Any word on recruits for this upcoming football season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 06, 2006, 09:23:19 am
Nate Kmic is one thing, but when you have a wide receiver in Pierre Garcon, who can burn everyone, you know you are going somewhere. This guy is totally unbelieveable. In the championship game this past season he was able to burn everyone. He came from Norwich where he played some good football, and then decided to transfer to the DIII powerhouse machine Mt. Union, and I dont blame him. On a side note Mt. Union needs to move up to at least DII. I would love to see them play against Grand Valley State.



albionmascot:
You are "barking up the wrong tree" re: Mount Union.  They have no desire to move "down" to DII; many of their fans/posters have discussed that at length on the OAC board in the past.  I know what you are saying, but it won't happen.  Personally, I'd like to see Hope play GVSU again, however, in recent years, Hope's team would not be able to compete with them as we know.  Alma scrimmages Northwood in preseason (and used to play Ferris and Valpo when the latter was DII) the last few years and has held their own, they also play some DII teams; it all depends on a particular year.  Not saying that Hope could never beat a DII team in some future year, but not likely in the near future.  Personally, I'd like to see them play a non-conf DII foe like we used to, and like Alma does, but, there is the issue of the power rankings for the DIII playoffs in one sense.  On the other hand, for our league, the latter really doesn't matter since everyone plays for the AQ and unlikely a second MIAA team would be taken as an at-large. 

Haven't heard much on recruits as I previously mentioned.  Hopefully, some news from the various posters might be forthcoming in the near future.  Yet as always at DIII, most times none of this is known until camp starts in August and seeing who actually shows up.

BTW, congrats to Albion on the lacrosse MIAA tournament championship.  I was impressed with their team.  Also, looks like Adrian has won the baseball title again this year - they are a good team and hopefully will go further in the NCAA regional tourney this year.
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Post by: albinomascot19 on May 07, 2006, 06:28:18 am
It was just a thought, even though Mt. Union has no intentions to go to DII or higher.  Anyway they are just so dominating.  Think about them, minus getting guys that could play DI, but might not start right away at the DI level, then it could be an even playing field.  However very unlikely, considering the type of program coach Kehres has there.  Even the best teams in DIII have a tough time with Mt. Union and that was quite evident in the national championship game.  Also another thought, is this going to be the year the MIAA breaks through with a win in the playoffs?  I really would love to see a "w" as it will definitely make the conference get more positive exposure.  Anyway,  maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players.  We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players.  The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on May 08, 2006, 10:02:59 am
former, that is one of the things that I really like about d3, there is always players that seem to come out of nowhere.  You never know truly what you have as a fan until you get it.  I could have told you that Mt. Union would have talented guys to plug in for injured players, but to be able to predict a Nate Kmic (Stagg Bowl MOP) at this level is more difficult than the "lower" divisions. 

Albionmascot, I was referring specifically to incoming freshman players.  Although Garcon was definitely a difference maker on that team, people were aware of his presence almost immediately and he had played college ball previously. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on May 12, 2006, 08:20:40 am
Yep, thats right he played at Norwich.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on May 12, 2006, 10:31:47 am
Anyway,  maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players.  We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players.  The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.   

One of the difficulties, in my opinion, that the MIAA has is the large number of DII programs in the area.  You have eight DII schools that sponsor football in Michigan, not to mention the other GLIAC schools that are close by.  Compare that with say Illinois and Wisconsin and you would have to go to Indiana, Minnesota, or Michigan for schools that sponsored football.  So, you have all the MIAA schools, the Division II schools, and the biggies like U of M and MSU.  That is a lot of competition for in-state athletes.  Throw into the mix that some kids want to go away to school or have other interests makes the competition fierce.  And, unfortunately you can't forget the money issue.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 19, 2006, 05:03:27 pm
Anyway,  maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players.  We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players.  The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.   

One of the difficulties, in my opinion, that the MIAA has is the large number of DII programs in the area.  You have eight DII schools that sponsor football in Michigan, not to mention the other GLIAC schools that are close by.  Compare that with say Illinois and Wisconsin and you would have to go to Indiana, Minnesota, or Michigan for schools that sponsored football.  So, you have all the MIAA schools, the Division II schools, and the biggies like U of M and MSU.  That is a lot of competition for in-state athletes.  Throw into the mix that some kids want to go away to school or have other interests makes the competition fierce.  And, unfortunately you can't forget the money issue.

And it doesn't help (not that I'm complaining) that GVSU has owned DII football for the last few years.  I know several local kids who are the right kind of guys for DIII who are walking on at GVSU just because of the history - not to mention Lubbers Stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 20, 2006, 09:32:37 pm
Anyway,  maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players.  We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players.  The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.   

One of the difficulties, in my opinion, that the MIAA has is the large number of DII programs in the area.  You have eight DII schools that sponsor football in Michigan, not to mention the other GLIAC schools that are close by.  Compare that with say Illinois and Wisconsin and you would have to go to Indiana, Minnesota, or Michigan for schools that sponsored football.  So, you have all the MIAA schools, the Division II schools, and the biggies like U of M and MSU.  That is a lot of competition for in-state athletes.  Throw into the mix that some kids want to go away to school or have other interests makes the competition fierce.  And, unfortunately you can't forget the money issue.

And it doesn't help (not that I'm complaining) that GVSU has owned DII football for the last few years. I know several local kids who are the right kind of guys for DIII who are walking on at GVSU just because of the history - not to mention Lubbers Stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 20, 2006, 09:43:55 pm
Sorry, I hit the wrong button before writing my post.  Anyway, both of you have valid points, matblake and FDF.

FDF, while Holland Municipal Stadium is a very nice stadium for DIII (not to mention a nice school like Hope), Lubbers is indeed a great stadium and that combined with the draw of a potential scholarship for walk-ons at (even if only partial $), the lower tuition at a state school, and now the three national championships does entice players who might otherwise consider a school like Hope (or its MIAA partners) and have a chance at playing time earlier and/or possibly being a "big fish in a little pond" as the sayiing goes.  Not that these players don't have the talent or perseverence to do that at a school like GVSU because many do and will eventually achieve such status, but it does make it tougher for a school like Hope to recruit (particularly in their own regional backyard area, not to forget the other potions of the state).   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on May 22, 2006, 11:31:44 pm
We have the same problem in Wisconsin. Gotta compete with the Badgers. Minnesota also take our kids as they can go there for the same cost as UW Madison. There are numerous UW system schools for our guys to go to, get a good education and play football before they spend all the cash going to a private school like WLC, who just started a football program. It is hard to get noticed in Wisconsin unless you have some success. That will come with the new conference as we will play in-state schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on May 25, 2006, 09:48:19 am
wlcalum,
Seems to be a similar situation for you with all the UW Schools.  I know Carthage in the CCIW gets the majority of their kids from Illinois (if not the majority then pretty darn close).  Looks like the majority of your team last year was from WI.  That would seem to be your main recruiting base. Do you think that fact that it is a newer program contributes to some of that difficulty?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gray Fox on May 25, 2006, 10:34:33 pm
I've been reading this board ever since it was announced that Kalamazoo would be playing at Austin College.  AC is the closest D3 school to Dallas (an hour and a half away).  I know couple of Kalamazoo grads, and they have marked their calandars.

I closely follow the SCIAC board.  They have frequent discussions on recruiting similar to the one you are having.  The difference is that they put the blame on the extensive Junior College football programs in Southern California.

With that said, the backup QB for SCIAC champions and D3 Football #9 ranked Occidental last year is a freshman from Walled Lake, Michigan.  He claims he chose it because "it's in California." 8)

Here in Texas there are plenty of players looking to play, and they know D3 is a good option.  Except for Trinity, they don't get too many from out of state.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2006, 10:47:48 pm
The northern Dallas-Fort Worth suburbs have plenty of transplants from Michigan, usually forming the starting lines in the local club Ice Hockey teams. ;)

Your alums might find some good candidates to return to the MIAA and play football there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 26, 2006, 02:24:13 pm
That will be a nice trip for Kazoo to Texas.  Most schools have one "long distance card" to play for a regular season non-conference game and going to another state will be a good experience for the team, even if it is going to be a rather extended travel time.

As far as out-of-state recruiting, there will always be some student-athletes who desire to go far away for their college experience and that is fine.  The young man from Mich going to Oxy as you mention will have a fun experience while fullfilling a dream I'm sure and no doubt will at the same time obtain a very good education.  Yet, not everyone has the desire to do that and as we all know, there are other factors that come into play for each individual i.e. parents might not be able time-wise or economically to travel such great distances to see their son play and thus miss many games, and the experience of being so far away from home can come into play for some players.

Many schools have programs that attract "long distance" out-of-state players (Wheaton, Wabash, Hope come to mind readily) for a variety of reasons aside from their academic programs (alumns, family alumns notwithstanding).  Bottom line is obviously each student-athlete has to decide for themselves what they want and what is best for them (and/or their families).  When it does work out, though, it can be a lifetime worth of value and memories - a valuable experience.

BTW, I thought our MIAA trips to some away games were wild i.e. 8 hour bus rides and 2 hour trips for our league games are not bad, but Texas is a BIG state so I cringe to think about those "little jaunts" for in state games! ;D       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on June 02, 2006, 07:02:18 pm
Here is a little more info. Thought it was interesting. http://www.wlc.edu/athletics/

Hey Pat
When does the new NAC get it's own space to post?  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 02, 2006, 07:50:47 pm
When it sponsors football. I think that's 2008.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on June 05, 2006, 12:47:29 pm
I know in Illinois the CCIW's metro schools  Elmhurst, North Central, North Park, Wheaton, and Carthage in Kenosha, WI  compete with larger schools i.e.  Northern/Southern/Eastern/Western IL, Ill. State, etc. 
Many times these kids will go to the larger schools, find out that the playing time is scarce and much more competitive overall, and wind up back at a D-3 football school for success.
BTW  Formerd3db   the paper is going well.  Should have first issue out on September 8, 2006. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: superbob on June 05, 2006, 01:54:54 pm
Enough talk about what is going on in all the other conferences in college football, lets talk about the up coming MIAA season.  I will gladly start it off.
Business first, last season was a very interesting season for the MIAA.  Their were upsets, and shocking games all around.  Example Olivet over Hope, Hopes complete dominance over Adrian, and lastly K-Zoo over Alma.  Yet at the end of the season there was still a disappointment about the season.  This is not a shot at Albion for they were the MIAA champions at the top all alone.
The unfinished business and the question that is yet to be answered is (i will capitalize this) HOW IS GOING TO EMERGE???????????????  ???
Some say, what do u mean by who is going to emerge,  The MIAA as of the last 5 years has grown to a level that has put its popularity higher then its been since the mid 90's.  Even better the league has finally shown that there are more then just Albion.  Albion completely dominated the MIAA for nearly a decade.  Now there is compitition coming from Olivet, Adrian, and the team who gives us one nice upset every now and then K-Zoo.
If history repeats itself, we will see Hope win the MIAA title for the 3rd time in 7 years. Who is going to win the first playoff game for the MIAA?  It is obvious that not winning a playoff game since 1994 has put a huge monkey on the back of this conference being a complete D3 National Conference.  Winning the MIAA has not became enough, teams want to win nationally, and want to get that d3 playoff win.... Adrian finally got rid of Hiedleberg, and ventures to Pennsylvania....K-Zoo does something that should have been done a long time ago and plays  Austin down in Texas.  Every coach and team knows that there school, players, coaching staff, and fans, know that the MIAA is seen as a conference who cant win in the playoffs.............the race for national power begins now
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on June 05, 2006, 02:19:10 pm
Wheaton has posted it's recruits for this year.  http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/football/recruits.html  Was hoping some of you Western Michigan people had perhaps seen the following play because I couldn't find much info on them, despite being in MI myself.  Thanks!

Michael Freeland-Portage Central
Devon Gainey-Northview
Tyler Langs-Climax Scotts
Joshua Bishop-Central Montcalm
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 08, 2006, 04:11:11 pm
It's been kind of quiet on this board, friends.  I assume everyone is busy with "end of school year, graduations, perhaps family outings/weddings, etc.?).  Anyway, what's the word on various MIAA athletic fundraisers?  Alma has their annual athletic golf outing fundraiser this weekend while Hope's annual fb fundraiser is the following weekend.  For those attending, I hope you all have a great time (and thanks for your support).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 13, 2006, 01:31:57 pm
I think Adrian has a football fundraiser golf scramble coming up in the near future too.  Also, the first strips of the field turf are being laid today at the new stadium.  I took a tour of the place last week, and it's really going to be a special place.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 14, 2006, 08:34:12 pm
bulldogalum:

Speaking of Adrian's stadium, I have a ? for you.  Why did they make the visitors permanent stands so small?  It looks kind of strange, although I'm sure students will sit on the side of the hill on either side of those.  The concourse from the endzone will be a neat feature.

Also, I saw on Adrian's website that they are planning an ice hockey arena and received that huge donation from the alumni doc!  Having ice hockey will be a great addition to Hope and Calvin's teams.  I'm hoping that once Adrian elevates their lacrosse team to varsity from club status, the other MIAA schools that have teams will do the same.  But as club teams in the current collegiate league they play in now is still some great college lacrosse.  I think that Adrian will make their steady enrollment goal of about 1400. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 14, 2006, 10:53:48 pm
formerd3db:

I'm assuming a couple of things when it comes to the visitor's stands.  First, as you noted, there will be plenty of available seating on the hillside.  Second, I'm guessing that they didn't want to build too much, if that makes sense.  Why build 2,000 visitors seats when all you regularly need is 500, essentially?  Not the best answer, I know, but it's the best I have.

The entrance area to the stadium, as well as the south endzone area, will be nice gathering places for fans.  The north endzone will feature student seating, and has some homes in the neighborhood, which, at least for me, retains a little bit of the neighborhood feel of Maple Stadium in the new place.  The thing that really got me excited was what will eventually become the new locker room area and tunnel on the eastern side.  The players will come down a tunnel that drops 8 feet to field level, like a much smaller version of Michigan Stadium, but it will be a really cool effect. 

Seems as though the alumni (myself aside, at least for the time being) are really stepping up to help this new administration get the ball rolling.  I have mixed feelings about the hockey rink.  It could be a huge boost or a huge drain, depending on how they use it, and how much demand there is in the community.  I know that there isn't a sheet of ice until you hit Ann Arbor, Jackson or Toledo, so there should be plenty of potential users.  The question is, will they use it?  If they do, it's a big win for Adrian.  If they don't, heaven help us. 

As far as lacrosse goes, I'm sure the administration is banking on the fact that other MIAA schools will follow suit when Adrian's lacrosse program becomes a varsity sport.  BTW, I hear you're coming out of retirement? ;)

Word around campus is that the enrollment numbers are looking very promising.  I'm sure they'll be meeting their enrollment goals in the very near future.  It sure is exciting to see things headed in the right direction.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 16, 2006, 01:18:01 am
I see the stadium has become a topic of conversation again so I thought Id throw my everyday info into the ring.  The visitors bleachers seemed a bit small to me as well but some of the logic is that there will be so much hillside seating as well as a large pavilion in one endzone for pregame and things of that nature which will enhance the setting.  The idea of the smaller stadium was to give it the look of a sellout every week which is a great environment to perform in.  On top of that the turf has started to go down as they have about 80% of the field itself(not surrounding area) down which is a big change.  The floors for locker rooms, showers, bathrooms, meeting room and training room are poured and construction is begining on those as well.  The press boxes are going up and all that jazz as well.  Everything is going well and with the exception of some rainy days progress is moving ahead quickly.  Enrollment is already up, an aggresive approach was taken this year which resulted in about 1800 applicants and many more denials which is good for the overall strength of the freshman class.  We are looking right now at a freshman class of about 330+ which is a nice boost from the mid 200 classes of years past.  Future looks bright and things are moving in the right direction, if theres one thing the new administration wont do it is stick with the status quo and thats a good thing.  They want the school to be nationally recognized in all aspects and they are doing what it takes to get it there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 18, 2006, 09:39:00 pm
DAWG:
Thanks for the inside info and follow-up.  The current photos of the stadium construction look great and very exciting to see the turf laid down the past 3-4 days.  Keep us posted.

bulldogalum:

Between you and DAWG, you guy's with keep me/us up to date re: the Adrian project.  BTW, thank you also (and to your brother too) for including me Fri.  Take care and we'll obviously be in frequent communication.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 19, 2006, 01:55:25 pm
interesting comments on the main page about former Kzoo coach rogers turning them in at his current post.  from the email sounded like tired of dealing with college football politics and looking for something else to do.  Coach rogers was a good guy wonder what the skinny was on that deal...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 19, 2006, 01:57:31 pm
Whatever job he has this year will be his fourth in four years. That's unfortunate on the resume.  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on June 19, 2006, 04:39:10 pm
70dcalum, remember you can't spell Rogers without EGO ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 20, 2006, 10:03:59 am
Scotty too funny.  i did almost get a GA position when he was at Kzoo until his last question and asked me if i was a minority...said the school would only offer to a minority...he did not think a tanning bed would work.  Kzoo was not real good with him there so i was suprised to see him end up there.

Pat turnover is only good on a resume if you are moving up and then it still causes you issues.  one of my highschool coaches and fellow DC alum went around many major colleges (GA for Lou at Notre Dame)  when Lou got the SC job he tried to get on the staff, lou told him he would love ot have him but wont hire him becuase he knows it would only be for a year becuase we wants to move up.  of course not all that bad...the lucky SOB gets the d-coordinator job at Western Kentucky wins a national championship, leaves and has been the linebackers coach at the raiders for the last 3 years and was the only defensive coach Art Shell kept.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 29, 2006, 09:40:38 pm
Any comments as to whom the new QB at Albion will be?
How do they look?
Would be nice to see MIAA get a win in the playoffs this year.
What do you think is lacking to make the step?
Looks like defense is the key.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on July 03, 2006, 02:47:20 pm
Any comments as to whom the new QB at Albion will be?
How do they look?
Would be nice to see MIAA get a win in the playoffs this year.
What do you think is lacking to make the step?
Looks like defense is the key.

From what I have been hearing, Jake Wilson should emerge as the starting quarterback for the Britons in the upcoming 2006 season.  However there are some younger guys on the team that could also compete for the starting role.  From last year to this year, the Britons are basically having a facelift to the team might I say.  They lose their 4 year starter at Punter-Tyler Hunter.  Also it will be pretty hard to replace the Most Valuable Player of the MIAA-Steve Wasil, who had a recording breaking season last year as he led the Britons back into the post season.  He was remarkable as he threw 33 touchdowns against only  12 interceptions.  Britons also lose a part of their receivers corps which includes Shane Brogan, Kevin Polnasek, and TE Troy Rundle. I feel the younger guys will step up and make this year an even more memorable season than before.  The future looks bright.  This upcoming season I am looking forward in watching the Britons have a remarkable year, there remain questions for the quarterback position, but the running backs are solid, as well as the wide receivers.  We will find out more about them as the team gets together for practice. 

I think this year the MIAA will finally break the losing streak in the playoffs.  I have seen MIAA teams go through so much in the regular season, with all the competition and then to lose in the playoffs is unacceptable.  This year I believe we will show the nation that we're more than just basketball, we are one of the elite football conferences as well.   

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 03, 2006, 10:53:20 pm
The MIAA will definitely be tough this year.  With a possible four teams competing for the conference crown, playoff berth and a WIN in the playoffs.  Adrian is ranked pre-season #20 by Street & Smiths but that is primarily based on the info the SID's send.  The Adrian/Albion game last season was definitely a classic and I look forward to another thriller.  Alma and Hope are always in the mix.  My question is how will Olivet do with Dom?  Olivet is a tough gritty team that plays tough and is very dangerous.  K-Zoo, Tri-State, and Wisconsin Lutheran will probably compete for the cellar.  However, I can definitely see them winning a couple games that no one thinks they should.  It will definitely be an exciting season. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 07, 2006, 02:36:26 pm
Thanks for the comments

looking forward to the seasons start.
How much advantage do you think teams get from a JV team.
Good practice and instruction, or just a holding place to keep younger guys interested in playing at a school?

I think it is very helpful for freshman so they can get PT they may never get on varsity, also to get acclimated to college life, college football speed and talent level.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 07, 2006, 03:55:21 pm
Just curious - which MIAA scholls - if any - have JV teams?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 07, 2006, 05:40:40 pm
Adrian, Albion, Hope, Olivet, Alma I know at least had JV teams.  I'm not sure about the rest of the league.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 11, 2006, 07:52:10 am
Great news for the Dutchmen, as Booko is coming back:

http://hollandsentinel.com/stories/071106/localsports_20060711033.shtml
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 12, 2006, 04:43:44 pm
Question for everyone

I am hearing several people at the gym, saying they are using creatine, and NO-Explode.
These guys are going to be playing FB in College, D1, and D3.
I thought these were against NCAA rules.
Can anyone comment.
I told them that I thought these were not allowed in College sports.

I commented eat right, and supplement with Whey Protein 1.5 -2 grams a pound and you will make good gains without breaking rules, am I right?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bilk on July 13, 2006, 12:47:12 am
Question for everyone


I'm sure there're bunches of strength athletes on this board who know loads about nutrition.

I am hearing several people at the gym, saying they are using creatine, and NO-Explode.
These guys are going to be playing FB in College, D1, and D3.
I thought these were against NCAA rules.
Can anyone comment.
I told them that I thought these were not allowed in College sports.

I commented eat right, and supplement with Whey Protein 1.5 -2 grams a pound and you will make good gains without breaking rules, am I right?


The NCAA and IOC cannot make creatine, in it's present form, illegal because it's food.  You'd have to quit eating red meat.

The trouble with ALL types supplements is that many, if not a majority, contain illegal substances to improve their effectiveness and build costumer loyalty.

Just ask your coach, oh wait, remember the NCAA told your coach not to talk to you about supplements, not even discuss it, Ďcause most of all.....the NCAA donít wanna be sued.

Donít take my word for it, look it up.

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bilk on July 13, 2006, 12:51:11 am
Will Adrian's new stadium bring in the recruits like Hope's Temple of the Ball-god has?  Will it be superior to the other MIAA stadiums?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 13, 2006, 09:27:03 am
Will Adrian's new stadium bring in the recruits like Hope's Temple of the Ball-god has?  Will it be superior to the other MIAA stadiums?



Adrian's facilities will compete to be the best in Division III.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bilk on July 13, 2006, 08:39:31 pm

Adrian's facilities will compete to be the best in Division III.

Who has the best MIAA football stadium?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 13, 2006, 09:33:35 pm

Adrian's facilities will compete to be the best in Division III.

Who has the best MIAA football stadium?

A good question Bilk.  IMO, they all have some positive aspects in one way or another.  I'm sure our fellow posters will have their own favorites for various reasons.  Not intending to "sit the fence", but I will mention my own thoughts on each of them, again, all of which have some positive aspects I like.

Hope:  A very nice stadium (shared with the city of Holland) built into a "horsehoe bowl" shaped hill.  With larger crowds, it does have that "bowl" feeling, and especially nice is students/fans sitting on the endzone hill.  Great spacious pressbox.  Drawbacks: permament seating to far from the sidelines (old Riverview Stadium had that very cozy tight bowl feeling), natural turf has always been a problem since its construction - new style synthetic turf would be a great plus for many reasons (although it probably won't happen for quite some time).

Adrian:  Indeed, the new stadium should be a big plus in recruiting.  Although Maple Stadium was nice and served its purpose, it was very similar with regard to the above comments re: Hope's current stadium.  The new one is "state of the art", brings back the great old college feeling/tradition of an "on campus" field/stadium back to Adrian.  Mezannine area will be great - a big attraction (similar to EMU's stadium)  Drawback (although not really) - visitors stands look too small, yet on the other hand, it is my understanding they desired those to be that size so they would be filled rather than have a ton of empty seats on that side due to too large of visitors stands (besides, additional seating can always be added there, and the students will probably also sit on the hill like they did at Maple and do at Hope).

Alma: Nice on campus stadium, in traditional old athletic area nestled among the pines, old iron gates to Balhke Field are great; great view of campus, new style turf puts in in the class of Adrian and Olivet; drawbacks:  front row seats poorly designed in leaving no room for fans to walk by and no "mid-stadium" stairs/exits at that level.  Nice press box.

Albion:  Great old college tradition feel on original athletic field, cozy feeling stadium, the old early 1900's althletic wall around the field and iron gates are great; I like the permanent bricked stands to the back of the athletic building, mezannine area great, natural turf on Morely Fraser Field is usually in great shape.  Good visitor stands right up to the field. Drawbacks: Pressbox needs to be updated/renovated.

Kazoo:  Great natural bowl stadium with neat old college feeling of the original stands built into the hill since the 1930's-1940's.  Natural turf is usually pretty good (they should consider new style turf).  Visitor stands very small, but nice touch with the new "old style" iron gates at visitor side i.e. the now new main enterance to the field.  Drawback: while great 1930's tradition of the pressbox, it is entirely outdated and probably the worst in the league - needs to be completely rebuilt/enlarged, etc. as do the permanment home stands.  While Kazoo's attendance is not overwhelming, when they do have big crowds, it is great - over 4000 a couple of years ago at their Homecoming vs. Hope. Besides, when WMU has a home game, it is great to hear the roar of that crowd across the street!

Olivet:  Finally out of the cellar of the stadium rankings!  Very nice facility, on the traditional original athletic field, nice touch with old iron gates matching with Olivet's history.  Spacious pressbox, nice permanent stands on homeside - seating is appropriate for their usual crowds, when full 2500+ looks great; new style turf is nice again puts it in with Adrian and Alma.

Tri-State:  A very generous and nice alumnus donated the financing for this.  Good on-campus location, adequate seating, pressbox adequate, natural turf satisfactory.  Drawbacks: for a school that used to be scholarship, one might have expected a better stadium.  Currently (as was Olivet previous), their are better high school stadiums.  Perhaps an upgrade to new style turf might be a plus.

Wis Luth:  I have only seen this in photos having never been there.  On-campus stadium and new style turf a plus.  I am told the permament seating is adequate for their current crowds.  It will be sad to see them leave as they have made nice strides and a good contribution to the MIAA during their tenure, however, certainly understandable reasons why they will benefit from their new conference, football notwithstanding.

Calvin:  Worst in the league for this topic! ;D ;)

I forgot to mention that the MIAA stadiums have nice athletic training/sports med facilities either at or very near and accessable to their fields/stadiums.

Thus, those are my thoughts.  Do I have a favorite?  Not sure, again, I like some aspects of all of them when we visit.  To all of our fellow MIAA posters, I will look forward to seeing all of  your comments regarding this topic.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on July 17, 2006, 05:44:08 am
On the topic of MIAA Footall Stadiums, I must say Wisconsin Lutheran's football stadium is impressive, as it is one of the most amazing structures in all of DIII.  I was there last fall when Albion College played the Wisconsin Lutheran Warriors in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.  I was impressed with everything.  First of all...I was impressed with its enormity.  It was gigantic.  I loved the turf.  I was surprised by their scoreboard, as it allowed for animation to be played, especially when there was a penalty, or when a team scored, or there was some spectacular play that took place on the field.  The scoreboard allowed for the participating teams to have their names on the scoreboard, instead of showing the typical Home or Visitor.  Also there was a really nice speaker system.  It allowed the refs to be micked up, which for me was the first time I have seen happen in a DIII football game.  The day was a memorable experience.  I was in so much awe.  Its definitely the real deal.  I wouldn't mind playing in that stadium anyday.  However I still hold Sprankle Sprandle Stadium dear to my heart, as its where I have see Albion College play its home games in crowds of 4000+.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on July 17, 2006, 05:56:10 am
Adrian, Albion, Hope, Olivet, Alma I know at least had JV teams.  I'm not sure about the rest of the league.

I know Tri-State and Wisconsin Lutheran have JV teams as well. I remember watching the Britons take on the JV teams of both Tri-State and Wisconsin Lutheran.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 18, 2006, 10:44:44 am
Looking at the Pre-season All-American teams I believe once again the MIAA needs to have success in the playoffs.  The MIAA has very good players but the lack of respect stems from early exits in the playoffs.  This year the MIAA will be very competitive and success in the playoffs is very possible.  At least that is my opinion.  Thoughts, comments? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on July 18, 2006, 11:51:17 am
AlbionMascot-- I agree the WI Lutheran stadium is a thing of beauty.  If you get the chance take a look at UW Whitewater's Perkins Stadium.  Nestled in a bowl shaped depression, their Stadium is really pretty.  I think (not 100%sure)  that it is the largest in D-3.
If you like historic Stadiums, Ill. Wesleyan's is I think the 5th oldest in the NCAA.  Natural grass turf, and the structure makes you feel like you are surrounded in a fortress.
Speaking of Stadiums, how is Olivet's Stadium Structure?  We will be there in the pressbox this fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 20, 2006, 12:58:38 pm
Adrian is ranked 20 by some preseason mags.
Nice to see, had a solid year last year is there a lot of talent coming back?
Is this a reflection of the "energy" around the new stadium and improving image of the league.

Should be a good race for the league title this year.
A few of the teams have a tough looking scedule and out of league schedules. great way to prepare for league play.

Is this the year MIAA gets a win or 2 in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 20, 2006, 03:44:50 pm
There is a lot of energy around Adrian.  However, I believe Don Hansen's poll to be more accurate.  The ranking from Street & Smith's is basically info that is sent in from SID's.  However I do believe Adrian will win the MIAA (I am a little biased here) and compete nationally.  They have the talent and desire to make it to the second round.  Anything beyond that may be stretching it.  But it will not be an easy road as they open up with Defiance, who can be a very scary team with the athletes they have at skilled positions.  Then in week three its on the road to Westminster who cannot be taken lightly.  Albion is at home and will be a hard fought contest, as well as Olivet, Hope, and Alma which are all road games for AC.  So the road ahead is a tough one but as the motto goes around Adrian...Expect to Win!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 22, 2006, 08:52:28 pm
Thanks for the info.

I have heard a lot of talk of the new Stadium, will be nice to see another quality stadium in the league. Should help with crowds and recruits.

Tough to pick a winner in the MIAA this year, looks to be pretty tight again.
Albion will be interesting, have some depth on lines, and WR.
I am a big believer in QB's that execute, not always needing the big play. Defense that makes the offense work, no easy yards. Alma looks tough as usual and the Scot Gun is always exciting, comes down to Defense again for them.

On a another subject good HS allstar game today East over West  tight game.
A little sloppy but to be expected, a lot of time off for the players and mixing players from different teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on July 26, 2006, 10:59:49 pm
I see Adrian's Taz Wallace on the 2006 Preseason All-American team.  What puts him in this position....is he the best player in the MIAA?

He and D.J. Howard, Jr (Adrian) are the only MIAA'ers named, and both are 2nd team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on July 26, 2006, 11:10:41 pm
I see Adrian's Taz Wallace on the 2006 Preseason All-American team.  What puts him in this position....is he the best player in the MIAA?


Taz Wallace, Adrian :
2004 pre-season AA . . . not listed
2004 post-season AA . . . 3rd team
2005 pre-season AA . . . 1st team
2005 post-season AA . . . not listed
2006 pre-season AA . . . 2nd team

Can someone share a bit about Wallace's 2005 season?  Why the drop?

Adrian's defensive end, Mike Lewis, did make the 2005 AA team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 26, 2006, 11:36:03 pm
We don't take the preseason team into account at all when putting together the postseason team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 27, 2006, 09:51:37 am
Flea,

Taz may or may not be the best player in the league.  There is no doubt that he is a big impact player and a key piece at Adrian.  In tow years as a starter he is already the schools all time tackles leader and has been named team MVP for two years in a row.  His overall stats for two years are 288 tackles, 22.5 TFL, 6 sacks, 3 ints (2 TD's) 7 PBU's and 4 Forced Fumbles.  He is a great player and a special talent that is not seen to often.  Not to mention the off the field and on field leadership he brings to the table.  He is a worthy all american.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 27, 2006, 09:52:41 am
Also, heres a great link to check up on stadium progress at Adrian.

http://www.adrian.edu/news/stadium_construction.php
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on July 27, 2006, 10:22:55 am
Does that ever look like it is going to be really great!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on July 27, 2006, 11:38:18 am
Looks like the new Stadium is going to be breathtaking.  "It's a beaut Clark!"
Glad to see Adrian put in the new Astroplay surface and has a pretty large pressbox.  Some of the images remind me of Elmhurst when we had to get Astroplay Surface back in 2001 after flooding rains destroyed the field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on July 31, 2006, 12:49:56 pm
Adrain's stadium looks great!  Glad to see they open up w/ rival DC.  Is the stadium going to be located near campus & how much of the seating is reserved?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 01, 2006, 07:47:03 pm
Adrain's stadium looks great! Glad to see they open up w/ rival DC. Is the stadium going to be located near campus & how much of the seating is reserved?

dc has been:

Good to hear from you and hope your summer has been going well.  Yes, Adrian's stadium it looks very nice (so does DC's - always has).  The stadium is located ON campus, returning to an on-campus site after several decades.  According to their website, it will seat at least 2500 in permanent seating (with 500 on the visitors sides) although certainly more can be seated on the hillsides and the concourse (Adrian has had crowds of 3000-4000+ for big games, Homecoming, etc. at times in the past).  The press release doesn't mention how much of the seating will be "reserved seating", yet regardless, it doesn't appear that anyone will have a "bad seat in the house"!  I would venture to say it will probably generate much more community involvement.  Already, with the new president's vision, enrollment is back up over the 1000 mark (actually over 1300 as updated on the college's website) which is great for the school.

This now gives the MIAA 4 colleges (Alma, Olivet, Wis Luth -although we lose them after 2007 - and Adrian) with the new style synthetic turf.  Does anyone think that the remaining schools will ever put this in?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Briton-DL on August 01, 2006, 09:36:30 pm
Hey Hey about time I get on here!!!
Lets Talk MIAA-
My Pick for the year has to be of course Albion-yes a little bias but hey they do return a lot of skilled players. In addition to them, almost the entire defense returns and the Offensive line stays together with the exception of one Tackle. Man at the top of the Mountain didnt fall there, he got there thru a long hard climb. Pound Purple Pound-
Silver7-Holla at your Boy, walk with a swagger. :P

2.Adrian-Very talented at skilled positions but lack the lines to get them over the hump. Offensive line a little questionable and with the lost of so called All-American Mike lewis, they will lack leadership. Nobody get defended when I call him a so called All-American, just question it when a majority of his stats that got him that Honor were against no-league opponents. Taz will definitely have to lead this team to the promise land. 
3.Olivet -Talented but just doesnt have the discipline to win it all. Plus losing probably the best RB to come out of that school will hurt. They will win but just not the close one's
4.Alma-To young plus QB in my opinion is far to inconsistant
5.Hope-will hurt with out their big play recievers
6.WLC-well lets face they get a few shockers but not enough to win it
7. KZO-Too many coaches, need I say More!!!!
8. TSU-Just not there yet


ADAWGS- Good Luck this season
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bilk on August 02, 2006, 12:54:09 pm
Hey Hey about time I get on here!!!

2. Adrian - very talented at the skill positions but lack the line to get them over the hump.  The Offensive line is a little questionable and with the loss of so called All-American Mike Lewis from the defensive line, they will lack leadership.  Nobody get defensive when I call him a so called All-American, just question it when a majority of his stats that got him that Honor were against non-league opponents. Taz will definitely have to lead this team to the promise land. 

ADAWGS- Good Luck this season

How do you think Heidelberg, Defiance and Bluffton would compete in the MIAA?

Your assumption that they are weaker than the MIAA teams could be shaky.  Based on their NCAA playoff performances, the MIAA is a weak NCAA D3 conference.  Doing well outside of the MIAA could be a good thing when looking at post-season honors, unless those three teams are poor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on August 02, 2006, 01:22:37 pm
Bilk- to answer your question about Bluffton, Heidelberg, & Defiance I would say that Defiance will field a strong team this season (better than last year), Bluffton is rebuilding their program & most posters' from the HCAC board are predicting them at the bottom of the conf., & Heidelberg is one of the weaker teams in probably the strongest or at least one of the strongest conferences in DIII.  So overall, Defiance I feel would be a good team in the MIAA (top three) where the other two would be bottom dwellers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on August 02, 2006, 02:18:33 pm
What MIAA team plays the toughest non-conference schedule?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Briton-DL on August 02, 2006, 03:47:30 pm
First things first, yes those three teams are weak. I know the MIAA hasnt done well in the Post season but I think a lot of that has to be with the simple fact that the MIAA is so competetive that you cant take a week off.The teams in the MIAA pretty much beat the hell out of one another week in and week out. Plus when was the last time any of those teams won a National Championship, Im pretty sure the MIAA has the most recent one. As far as Defiance  competing in the top three in the MIAA, thats a joke. Just look at last years top Four in the League. Albion, Olivet, Adrain, Alma. Defiance got their butt's kicked by Adrian, and Adrian didnt even win the league last year, yes the League winner lost to Adrian, but I will have to say that Adrian did get very lucky in that game to come back after being down 17-0 at halftime. Albion did come out flat the third quater to let them back in it, to win in OT by a field goal. 

As far as Playoff apperance yeah we havent been there probably as often as those other leagues but remeber we just recently got an automatic Bid. I remember a very talented Albion team that went 8-2 that didnt make the playoffs in 2001 and probably would have done some major damage had they. And anyone from the league that was around those years would have to agree with me on that. As far as the Playoff records go's I do beleive that Albion did play Mount Union very often in the 90's and competed very well with them. Losing very close and competetive games to National Champs those years. And if I recall right nobody else really played tightly with Mount those years, it was kind of a cake walk for them after those games with Albion.

In End I would say that those Teams would probably rank in the lower half of the MIAA. Yeah doing good in non-conference games would be a great way to measure a player ability if his stats were extremely high in conference games but when its the opposite you need to question the Non-conference strength. Think about it if the conference was weaker than the those schools wouldnt the Athlete make more plays in those two to three years he was honored that status in League Play.
Like I said before the Non-conference schedule of Adrian is a little suspect!!! end of story. As for who has the toughest Non-conference schedule this year its a toss up between Albion, Alma and Hope. But hey thats just my opinion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 03, 2006, 08:37:39 am
I'd agree.  Albion, Alma, and Hope have decent non conference schedules with opponents like Wheaton and Wittenberg.  The rest of the MIAA needs to crank things up a notch.  It will be interesting to see who is picked to win the championship later at media day.  Adrian, Albion, Alma, and Hope will be in the mix.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 03, 2006, 09:14:28 am
I think determining strength of non-conference schedule can be kind of tricky.  It all depends on where you are as a program.  Personally, I think that Olivet has a good non-conference schedule.  Taking on IWU (which will be a much improved team over last year), Elmhurst (which some see as an up and comer in the CCIW) will be good tests for the Comets.  You would expect teams like K-Zoo and Tri-State to have easier schedules since they are trying to rebuild/develop programs.  I don't think it makes sense to get beat up on by top tier programs until your program develops.  I don't know enough about Wis Lutheran's opponents to know about their schedule. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 03, 2006, 04:11:47 pm
I think Albion as a tough non-Conference schedule.
Butler, Theil and Wheaton.

2 teams that are league champs and playoff teams many years.
Theil is highly ranked this year after a very good year last year.

Should prepare Albion for the MIAA.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 03, 2006, 05:18:17 pm
BritonDL - the Berg and Bluffton are bad. Defiance will impress a few this year returning 20 starters and really came on strong after the first 2-3 games last year.  the defense was always strong but i dont think DC scored an offensive point until they switched QB's around week 3-4 and ended up finishing 2nd in the conference.

i dont think you carry much weight with the we beat up each other too much during the league play so it has an impact on post season.  there are still plenty of bottom dwellers and every league has 3-4 teams at the top every year.  look at the competition in the area with PAC, NCAC, OAC, Wisconsin and Illinois conferences?  if you really think the MIAA is top to bottom better than these guys which causes you to beat up each other too much then i want some of that you are smoking.  the MIAA is on par with national respect as the HCAC.  will get a team to the playoffs who may win a game but that is it. 

Albion of the early 90's was a monster but that was a while ago.  i used to be able to see my feet when i looked down but that does not mean i am skinny today.

yes i did play at defiance so i do have to show a little love there but i also played every year we were affiliated with the MIAA so i know how much beating up goes on.  dont get me wrong i love the smash mouth style in the MIAA but i think that has littel effect on your post season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bilk on August 03, 2006, 07:09:09 pm
2006:
Sat., Sep 9   8:00 pm   vs. Albion           
Sat., Sep 16   2:00 pm   vs. Washington U.           
Sat., Sep 23   1:00 pm   at Hope

Would anyone say Wheaton (IL) has a tough non-conference schedule?  It doesn't seem like they're looking for early-season challenges.

since 2000:
v. MIAA ... 5-3
v. other ... 9-1
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 03, 2006, 07:10:52 pm
Well it looks as though the media have picked the Bulldogs to win the MIAA this year.  Albion finished a close second in the ballot, and Hope was third.  Though I generally distrust the opinions of members of the media on such things as this, I certainly hope they're right this time.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on August 03, 2006, 09:13:47 pm
Have Adrian's and Hope's new building projects begun a trend of improvement for many of the MIAA athletic venues?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 04, 2006, 07:57:00 am
Well it looks as though the media have picked the Bulldogs to win the MIAA this year.  Albion finished a close second in the ballot, and Hope was third.  Though I generally distrust the opinions of members of the media on such things as this, I certainly hope they're right this time.  

Actually the media picked Alma third.  The coaches picked Hope third, and Hope was also third in the combined poll.

http://www.miaa.org/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on August 04, 2006, 08:44:12 am
Have Adrian's and Hope's new building projects begun a trend of improvement for many of the MIAA athletic venues?


Kalamazoo has a long way to go before they start on their athletic facilities. They recently renovated their library which is incredible, and their student center (union) will be started this fall.  There's talk about a student rec center to the NE of Markin but there's little money for that at this point .  Angell field was partially renovated 5 years ago, and is fine, however Calder (locker rooms at Angell) really need to be updated. Stowe Stadium (tennis) will probably go thru continuous upgrades due to K hosting the USTA's every year.

 Adrian's project is interesting. They are banking on larger class sizes to pay for these new facilities and programs (lacrosse). There was no major campaign.  They have all their coaches out on the admissions recruiting road big time. I hope it works out for them.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 05, 2006, 07:54:39 pm
To:  matblake

Wisconsin Lutheran's football non-conference opponents are Valparaiso, Dubuque, Rockford and Concordia, WI. If I recall correctly, Rockford had a great football season last year.

WLCALUM83
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on August 06, 2006, 10:50:09 pm
I am looking for Albion to return to its glory days, as the season begins.  Even though there has been some players that have been lost due to graduation, I feel the new players will step up in a big way this year.  I am curious to see how QB Jake Wilson performs this year.  I look for him to have a monster year.  The Briton offense shouldn't miss a beat.  I was looking at some new players on the 2006 roster,  there are a few things that stand out.  First of all looks like Albion did a tremendous job with recruiting as it has done with years past.  I see that Albion is bringing in size with some players being 300 lbs and above.  That should really help strengthen an already tough offensive line.  Another thing I realized is that Albion recruited a wide receiver out of MN, and a kicker from Brazil.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 06, 2006, 11:39:07 pm
Noticed WLC is picked to finish ahead of Tri-State in the lower half of the MIAA. The longer Matt Kehl stays healthy, the better the Warriors' chances will be. Not to cut them down but if they finish .500 overall on the year it'll be a major step forward.






WLCALUM83
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2006, 09:48:42 am
Have Adrian's and Hope's new building projects begun a trend of improvement for many of the MIAA athletic venues?


Kalamazoo has a long way to go before they start on their athletic facilities. They recently renovated their library which is incredible, and their student center (union) will be started this fall.  There's talk about a student rec center to the NE of Markin but there's little money for that at this point .  Angell field was partially renovated 5 years ago, and is fine, however Calder (locker rooms at Angell) really need to be updated. Stowe Stadium (tennis) will probably go thru continuous upgrades due to K hosting the USTA's every year.

 Adrian's project is interesting. They are banking on larger class sizes to pay for these new facilities and programs (lacrosse). There was no major campaign.  They have all their coaches out on the admissions recruiting road big time. I hope it works out for them.




stinger:

Appreciate the follow-up re: Kazoo's Angell Field, etc.  I agree the field and recent renovations there are fine, although would just again relate that they really do need to construct a new press box and perhaps the home seats could be renovated (some permanent backed "reserved seats" in the middle there would be a nice touch.  I am surprised, however, that as you mention, there isn't much $ at present for those and the other campus projects you talked about.  I can't imagine that Kazoo doesn't have an organization of some rich alumni (or at least well-off alumni) to contribute to all those.  If Hope, Adrian, particularly Olivet and Alma, the latter two of which have a dedicated but not what I would call "heavily rich $ based" alumni base as compared to some of the other schools, can all do it, surely Kazoo can.  Hopefully, in the next couple of years that might occur for them.


As far as the MIAA Annual FB Media Day, results pretty much as expected.  All four of those will be in the race for the AQ Adrian, Albion, Hope and Alma.  I'm sure everyone will agree that it will probably come down to the last week or so again as usual and that the remaining MIAA teams will be spoilers to "wreck havoc" during the course of the season.  Good luck to all the teams.  I also HOPE that the weather is not too extreme (i.e. hot) when camps open next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 07, 2006, 01:07:43 pm
To:  matblake

Wisconsin Lutheran's football non-conference opponents are Valparaiso, Dubuque, Rockford and Concordia, WI. If I recall correctly, Rockford had a great football season last year.

WLCALUM83

In looking further into it, CUW is usually at the top of the IBFC.  Rockford did have a good record, including a win over WLC, guess I had forgotten about that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 07, 2006, 01:13:43 pm
I'm thinking I might be able to make it out to the Hope/Wheaton game.  Never having been to Holland (except for my brother's wedding in the summer where my whole schedule was already set) any ideas on what some good places to eat are for before and after the game? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2006, 08:14:15 pm
matblake:

It would be great to meet you as well if you make it to the game.  Indeed, there are a lot of good places to eat at; just north of the stadium area on U.S. 31 is all the "eatery" places and malls.  Most of the name restaurant's are there.  Some nice ones downtown in Holland, more atmospheric cafes per se, but the usual good places are north of town.  Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 08, 2006, 10:11:01 am
It does help.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on August 08, 2006, 08:27:38 pm


formerd3db

You're quite right that the press box needs to be updated.   You shouldn't be suprised that the money isn't there.  Until Kzoo (administrators and execs) gets serious about their athletic department and realize that athletics can do wonders for a small college, they aren't going to spend money there.   The admin at K thinks that athletics is just another extra-curricular activity like chess club.   Budgets are the same for many sports as they were 8-10 years ago. Embarassing.   We alumns help out where we can, but I highly doubt we'll see a large campaign for athletic facilities anytime soon. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 08, 2006, 09:24:48 pm
It does help.  Thanks.

You are welcome.  Let me know closer to the date if/when you are coming to the game.



formerd3db

You're quite right that the press box needs to be updated.   You shouldn't be suprised that the money isn't there.  Until Kzoo (administrators and execs) gets serious about their athletic department and realize that athletics can do wonders for a small college, they aren't going to spend money there.   The admin at K thinks that athletics is just another extra-curricular activity like chess club.   Budgets are the same for many sports as they were 8-10 years ago. Embarassing.   We alumns help out where we can, but I highly doubt we'll see a large campaign for athletic facilities anytime soon. 

stinger:
Except for tennis, right? ;D  That's too bad.  Kazoo has such a rich tradition in athletics, yes, including football as they were one of the very early powers in the MIAA in the 1890's.  At least they aren't going to drop the sport, like it was nastily (and very incorrectly) reported last year by some jerk from somewhere.  Anyway, you alums are to be complimented on helping out as you have and as much as you can.  Keep up the effort and hopefully, the situation with the administration will eventually change.  I have met a couple of profs from Kazoo in brief passing i.e. just briefly and in the course of our conversation, I know they are indeed supportive of the football program.  Keep us posted.  Also, hopefully Brooks will be improve the team in the next year or two.  This being his second year, I look for some improvement - as I mentioned before, they'll be a spoiler and are not to be taken lightly by any MIAA team IMO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 09, 2006, 03:05:39 pm
to throw my 2 cents in... I think football more than any sport draws attention to a school.  Specifically, small schools need attention getters.  The first "main event" for incoming freshmen and their families is the Football Game.  The players who have practiced all summer get a chance to go for a W.  The Cheerleaders get to perform their acts, etc.  and the entire puzzle gets showcased for the first time.
I can't stand hearing about schools, Alumni, or (whomever)  not fielding athletics, or not thinking Athletics is an important part of the college.
Some examples in the CCIW are the Shirk Center at IWU, North Park's new Holmgren Athletic Center and practice facility, Wheaton's Soccer Complex, Millkin's Lindsey Field, etc.  people need to proud and help out their Alma Maters.
Hopefully Kalamazoo can "get with the times" and help their football (and all sports) get the proper help it deserves.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on August 09, 2006, 03:44:16 pm
Has there ever been any talk about Calvin ever fielding a football team? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: M and L on August 09, 2006, 06:21:31 pm
It is a shame to see K-zoo's football program decline the way it has the past few year because they were always a big for at MSJ.  We lost to them my freshman and soph. in 02 & 03.  Things just weren't the same when they got that new head coach.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Preto on August 09, 2006, 06:23:39 pm
Has there ever been any talk about Calvin ever fielding a football team? 

Lots of talk, not much action.

For a few reasons:

1.)  students - Calvin doesn't need 'em, they have plenty.
2.)  money - Calvin's the cheapest school in the MIAA and wants to stay that way.
3.)  staff - they have a hard enough time hiring coaches who work at the college for the sports they have, let alone adding the beast called football.

But....
NAIA Dordt College (Iowa), another Reformed college, is adding football.  They will will field a junior varsity team in 2007 with a full varsity schedule in 2008.


Calvin Has No Plans to Join Pigskin Parade


Friday, October 24, 2003
By Howie Beardsley
The Grand Rapids Press

South Christian won a state football title and Grand Rapids Christian claimed its first conference championship last season. Both have been playing football for decades.

Chicago Christian recently won the Private School League championship in Illinois.

Calvin Christian is bidding for its first berth in the state playoffs this year.

Holland Christian and Unity Christian both are in their first year of varsity teams.

All those Christian high schools feed a considerable number of students -- and potential football players -- to Calvin College, which is well known for its NCAA Division III success in basketball, track and cross country.

What Calvin has never done is put together a football program.

Why?

"It isn't that we're anti-football, but when you have one specific sport leading the way, your other sports are short-changed," said Dr. Marv Zuidema, who serves as the co-athletic director at Calvin while awaiting his approaching retirement.

"We like to see all our sports receive interest."

Hope College, which is Calvin's arch-rival in the Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association, has competed in football for decades, yet no one associated with the Flying Dutchmen athletic department seems to complain about being in the shadow of the football team.

The fact is, pretty much all football-playing colleges and universities hang their hat on football, including all the other school's in the MIAA. Football is also the main revenue-maker for all the other sports.

So why not football at Calvin?

"Right now, there's no immediate need or desire to jump into football," Zuidema said. "Right now, it would take a considerable amount of money to come up with all the equipment and good coaches who know the sport and our educational philosophy to play football at Calvin.

"And we'd need a field."

Nevertheless, the idea of starting up the sport at Calvin has been discussed on several occasions.

"We've probably had studies on football every 10 years or so over the last 40 years," Zuidema said. "(But) our biggest philosophy is trying to have a whole basic athletic program, and one we've been very, very successful with."

Calvin did seriously consider an intramural football program in the 1980s, "but, again, finances with regards to equipment, insurance and proper leadership were a drawback," Zuidema said.

Zuidema did not have financial figures to share when talking about the costs of playing football at Calvin.

Co-athletic director Kevin Vande Streek, who will soon become the Knights' official athletic director once Zuidema retires, says colleges that have begun football programs in the recent past have done so to improve enrollments.

"We've closed our enrollment, so we don't need football to bring in students," said Vande Streek, the Knights' men's basketball coach.

"I'm a huge football fan. I love college football, and the opportunity it gives young men who participate. And it's exciting to see those Christian high schools adding football. But I don't know how much interest there is at Calvin to begin football."

According to Calvin president Dr. Gaylen Byker, there will probably never be football played at the school.

"The cost is a huge factor," Byker said. "With Title IX, we would have to come up with more women's sports. It's just not feasible.

"My perception is that football is the most demanding sport to fit into a Christian liberal arts program. Adding football would probably double our sports budget, which would likely raise our tuition costs for all students, so I don't anticipate Calvin having football anytime in the near future."

Among area football fans who are disappointed that Calvin doesn't compete in football is Hope College athletic director Ray Smith, who is also the former legendary coach of the Dutchmen football program.

"Just like basketball, we know we would lose recruits to Calvin if it played football, because Calvin has been known to have a Christian pipeline," Smith said. "But it would be wonderful if Calvin had a football team. It would definitely enhance our league and give Hope a great, positive football rivalry just like we have with Calvin-Hope basketball.

"I guess we'll just have to respect Calvin's decision not to have football, and move on. But it would be very healthy for the MIAA, because in four to five years Calvin would be very competitive with every other football program in league, simply because when Calvin does something, it does it well."

Unfortunately, we'll never know how well Calvin would compete in football, since it appears the school will never play football.


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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 09, 2006, 11:42:27 pm
Preto:

  I also was curious as to why Calvin didn't have a football team. Thanks for posting that.



   WLCALUM83
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 10, 2006, 11:57:02 am
Looks like there are some overriding issues that are inhibiting a football plan.  It is a shame, but I can see why Calvin doesn't go through with it.  Well, one can hope than in the future, the talk about football will continue and perhaps one day we will see football at Calvin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on August 10, 2006, 03:14:18 pm
Preto=thanks for the quick response & the artical.  I'll agree w/ Hope's response that it would do a lot of positives for the MIAA. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: lakeshore on August 10, 2006, 04:43:52 pm
who will be some of the top QBs in the MIAA this year?  How will Adrian's new stadium affect the other schools?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 10, 2006, 08:17:33 pm
How will Adrian's new stadium affect the other schools?

Well, I would imagine, at the very least, opposing teams will have to go on mapquest and get a new set of directions ;D.  My guess is that the effect will be more indirect on opposing teams.  Adrian will benefit from the excitement around the new stadium, (presumably) larger crowds, and a more lively gametime atmosphere.  As a result, things will be more difficult for teams visiting the Yet-To-Be-Named (though I might suggest naming it after ADAWG, who happens to be one of Adrian's alltime greats) Stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 11, 2006, 10:21:12 am
Knowing really nothing about  Adrian (except for its location and team name :) ) is it a school that the community supports? For example, Wheaton has a lot of alums that settle in Wheaton, IL itself therefore the college gets some support from the community.  Yes, it technically also would be considered alumni support, but the support also comes from the community.  I suspect that Hope is similar in this regard.  Any other MIAA schools in the same boat?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on August 11, 2006, 12:00:31 pm
Has there ever been any talk about Calvin ever fielding a football team? 

Quote from: Grand Rapids Press

"It isn't that we're anti-football, but when you have one specific sport leading the way, your other sports are short-changed," said Dr. Marv Zuidema, who serves as the co-athletic director at Calvin while awaiting his approaching retirement.

Co-athletic director Kevin Vande Streek, who will soon become the Knights' official athletic director once Zuidema retires, says colleges that have begun football programs in the recent past have done so to improve enrollments.

According to Calvin president Dr. Gaylen Byker, there will probably never be football played at the school.

Unfortunately, we'll never know how well Calvin would compete in football, since it appears the school will never play football.



Two fo the three quoted men are no longer in those positions.  I wonder what the current men's AD, Dr. Jim Timmer Jr., would say about it today?  He spent a few years at a D3 football school, Baldwin-Wallace.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 11, 2006, 01:45:22 pm
Re: the Calvin "non" football issue - I'll put in my "2 cents worth".  Believe me, $, student enrollment/recruitment and a field/stadium are not the issues, despite what those from Calvin quoted in the article would have you believe.  Also, as has been mentioned (and particularly in the article quoted), there are a lot of "feeder" Christian high schools that would provide excellent football student-athletes to Calvin.  The truth of the matter is that there are some (many) people at Calvin (i.e. alumni included) who simply do not want football for a variety of other reasons which I won't go into.  I respect their decision, although I personally don't agree with it; certainly as others have said, Calvin would be a great and positive addition to MIAA football if they ever decided to field a team.  However, obviously, that is not going to happen in the forseeable future and I'm not going to "hold my breath" waiting/wondering about it!  :)D.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on August 11, 2006, 10:19:32 pm
Fortunately, K isn't Macalester. Kzoo will never consider dropping football. K does have a rich football tradition (see one Ralph Young) allbeit it has been a long time since they have won the MIAA.    Numbers, however are a problem. Coach Brooks is going to have to figure out how to get guys in. The past few years K has been down to 30-40 players as the season progresses. That's nuts. You can bet that K will be competitive in every game. What they dont have in numbers and talent, they make up for with tenacity.

I have a feeling things will get better.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 13, 2006, 12:55:49 am
It's been a fast summer, don't you agree.

LOTS of freshmen around campus, some will be a great help to our young team. We return a good core of players. Looking forward to a solid (better than last year) running game and the maturation of our young QB. Our D has to fill three huge holes as does the O, but there is a lot of talent left from last year. We will see how the preseason turns out against Valpo and Concordia. Should we give those teams a tussle you may want to watch out?

The MIAA needs to put a bit of pressure on Calvin to field a football team. Bringing them in as WLC is leaving would solidify the AQ for the MIAA, Tri State keeps the AQ going but adding Calvin cannot be bad. The MIAA is a great conference and I am proud to say we belong(ed). Calvin could inprove an already great show. IMO Kzoo will come around very soon too rich a tradition to let it fall by the wayside.

Congrats to all the pre season all americans - may they all have great year and play with a professional attitude. I hate to see DIII players show boating as if they were in the pros!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bilk on August 13, 2006, 04:33:54 pm

The MIAA needs to put a bit of pressure on Calvin to field a football team.

I'd like to see more MIAA schools field competative teams in "minor" sports before they start pressuring Calvin to add football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 13, 2006, 09:26:20 pm
to:  wlcalum

This is WLCALUM83. If you need to correct me on anything, just go ahead (I don't know if you've seen my prediction for this year's Warrior squad). If you didn't I said a .500 season overall would be a major step forward.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 pm

The MIAA needs to put a bit of pressure on Calvin to field a football team.

I'd like to see more MIAA schools field competative teams in "minor" sports before they start pressuring Calvin to add football.

Well, Bilk, let's see.  Just what do you consider as "minor" sports and competative in the league?  Seems to me that those situations already exist in both men's and women's sports i.e. women's basketball and softball (Hope, Alma, Calvin and  now Olivet coming on strong); swimming (Hope, while not rivaling Kenyon regarding the team accomplishments on a national level, they always have both men's and women's All-American swimmers and divers), tennis (Hope, Kazoo); soccer is always competative for the NCAA berth (Kazoo, Hope, Calvin and Alma having been in the mix in recent years); track and cross-country is always competative at the various MIAA schools with All-Americans; and golf has been strong at several including Adrian, Hope, Olivet; baseball has been very strong in the past two decades (Alma, Hope, Albion, Calvin and now Adrian).  Not to mention the "minor" sports like hockey (Calvin, Hope) and lacrosse coming on strong (Calvin this year, Hope improving from past years and Adrian making it a varsity sport next year).

I can see your point, yet, it seems to me these other sports have been very competative (and some on a national level - I didn't include the two women's national championships in basketball or the two in men's with the two runner- up positions in the latter either).  Bottom line is that it would not be a problem if Calvin added football regardless of what happens in the other sports (again, that's not going to happen unfortunately) - and wouldn't you agree that even if they did, the "minor" sports can still be encouraged and supported to be "competative"?  Just MO. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bilk on August 14, 2006, 12:22:50 am

I'd like to see more MIAA schools field competitive teams in "minor" sports before they start pressuring Calvin to add football.

formerd3, nice post.

IMO, MIAA major sports:
- football
- womenís basketball
- menís basketball
- womenís volleyball


.... softball (Hope, Alma, Calvin and now Olivet coming on strong);

Only four teams, and a couple of those listed are sliding quick.


swimming (Hope, while not rivaling Kenyon regarding the team accomplishments on a national level, they always have both men's and women's All-American swimmers and divers)

Youíre correct .... itís the toughest sport in the MIAA.  Hope, Calvin and Kaízoo have all had teams in the top-10 at the NCAAís in the same season.  But no school has a NCAA legal pool.


tennis (Hope, Kazoo)

Only two teams trading at the top spot.


soccer is always competitive for the NCAA berth (Kazoo, Hope, Calvin and Alma having been in the mix in recent years)

Agreed, menís and womenís soccer is a major sport at many schools.


track .... is always competitive at the various MIAA schools with All-Americans

In 2006 the Calvin women (NCAA 5th in 2006) traveled to Angola for a double duel vs. Tri-State and Adrian to compete against TWO women fromm Adrian, none from Tri-State.  Calvin have strong men's and women's team (six coaches), Albion has a strong men's team (two coaches) and Hopeís four coaches are great, but look at their facility.


.... cross-country is always competitive at the various MIAA schools with All-Americans

Calvin dominates with both teams.  The coaches made a rule limiting how many athletes from one school can receive all-MIAA.  This results in many non-all-MIAA Calvin athletes beating all-MIAA athletes every fall.


golf has been strong at several including Adrian, Hope, Olivet

Some schools bearly field a scoring team.  Where's the top-to-bottom competativness?


baseball has been very strong in the past two decades (Alma, Hope, Albion, Calvin and now Adrian)

Good depth, but they do little in the NCAA's.


.... mention the "minor" sports like hockey (Calvin, Hope)

These club sports are great.


.... mention the "minor" sports like .... lacrosse coming on strong (Calvin this year, Hope improving from past years and Adrian making it a varsity sport next year)

see above


Bottom line is that it would not be a problem if Calvin added football regardless of what happens in the other sports (again, that's not going to happen unfortunately) - and wouldn't you agree that even if they did, the "minor" sports can still be encouraged and supported to be "competitive"?  Just MO. ;)

I think itís important to look at how Calvin budgets it current sports. They have multiple assistant coaches for most sports.  Would football take coaches away from other sports?

Also, the MIAA model for football does not seem to work.  Having faculty coaches limits who the school can hire and teaching limits the amount of time coaches can put into coaching and recruiting.  If it worked I think MIAA teams would perform better at the NCAA level.

It seems like many MIAA program throw away certain sports.  They have limited budgets and at times are coached by people who have never coached the a sport (they are a coach of a major sport and get the other job as a fill-in).  In that vein then football is a throw away sport at Calvin.

Is there any sport tough from top to bottom? 

Have all MIAA schools won a MIAA title in any single sport?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 14, 2006, 10:35:19 am
From reading some of the notes in regards to Calvin and football, I understand both sides and respect both viewpoints.  I personally, would like to see Calvin at least strongly consider how a football team would benefit/change the school.
Football is not for everybody.  I had a roommate at Elmhurst one year that couldn't stand football.  He couldn't even tell you who the NFL Chicago team is!  That drove me crazy because football is such a big part of my life.
I think if Calvin were to get a football team,  the rivalry between Calvin and Hope would escalate into a good battle.  You could then develop a traveling trophy between the two.  Perhaps the Golden Anchor??? :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 14, 2006, 12:15:15 pm
I too think that football at Calvin would be an interesting scenario.  Let's face it though, having a football program takes commitment to that program, and at least from the above article it doesn't seem that Calvin would have that commitment.  Add on that Calvin hasn't had a football team and there is no tradition for football.  Then there is the money factor, it is expensive to field a team.  Although it would enhance the MIAA I think, it just isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 14, 2006, 06:01:08 pm
I don't buy this cost talk.  I think this is the first time I've ever heard it raised in regards to a football program.  At most schools, football is the biggest money maker.  True, there are some significant startup costs, but a football program at Calvin, if done properly (and it would be unlike Calvin if they chose not to do it right) would pay for itself in a very short amount of time.  It's a matter of commitment, and a question of whether Calvin would want to commit itself to running a football program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2006, 06:23:11 pm
It's a money maker if you need to bring in tuition-paying students. It isn't clear that Calvin feels it needs to do that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 14, 2006, 10:07:50 pm
Thanks Bilk.  You do have some good points. As far as the minor sports all being competitive, that doesn't happen in the major ones so why would we expect it to happen there (besides, this is no different than any other DIII conference in regards to all the sports - also, although I brought it up, we can exclude the "national" basis and perhaps better confine this to just the "league level" for purposes of this discussion.

On other aspects, I wasn't going to do this and rather "leave this lay as is", however, since others have continued the discussion re: Calvin football, at the risk of boring some people (or "beating a dead horse" to use that old cliche), I'd like to make some additional comment.

First, I agree with bulldogalum.  Yes, it costs $ to start up a collegiate program, however, it is not out of the reach whatsoever for Calvin to do it - again $ there is just not the problem.  Pat has hit it right on the head about the main reason why (in addition to my comments about some of the Calvin "higher-ups" including alumni and Jaybird's as to some people just not liking football- PERIOD).  There are many written articles on the cost of starting up collegiate football programs in the last five years or so as many colleges and universities (including some of the larger institutions at DII or DIAA levels) and it can be done with about $250,000 without skimping.  As far as a field, Calvin certainly has the $ (i.e. it could be easily raised) if they wanted an on-campus stadium, however, that isn't absolutely necessary if one wanted to "save some $" as there are many football facilities within a short drive from their campus which I have no doubt some arrangements could be made (at least for the first few start up years).  Again, if schools like Olivet and Adrian can raise the $ as they have (and especially Olivet), no way that Calvin can't do it.

As far as your coaching statements, not all the MIAA schools have the coaching "set-up" as you relate.  Alma was one of the first to go with non-teaching coaching positions in football and while not everyone agrees with that philosophy, it seems to work for them, and quite successfully in the past 10 years as can be seen.  I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.

At any rate, please allow me to once again relate that this is not intended as a negative in any way towards our Calvin friends, posters/supporters (fans) here - while I don't agree with the school's decision, I respect it and it is their right to choose that way.  But again, like Pat says, they don't see the need to increase enrollment and certainly not via a football program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 15, 2006, 02:54:58 pm
formerd3db-- How was your trip up north?  Hopefully, you were able to get the R&R  that keeps us going.  I am going to pick up the radio equipment today from Elmhurst, which is one of the first signs that football is approaching! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bilk on August 15, 2006, 03:00:20 pm

I don't buy this cost talk.  I think this is the first time I've ever heard it raised in regards to a football program.  At most schools, football is the biggest money maker. 

Not that I know, but I would be surprised if ANY D3 football team brought in more revenue than their expenses.  At the D1 level 50% of the football teams make more money than they cost. At the D2 level, Grand Valley State University football (three time NCAA champs) has $600,000 more in expenses than in revenue.

.... it is not out of the reach whatsoever for Calvin to do it - again $ there is just not the problem .... As far as a field, Calvin certainly has the $ (i.e. it could be easily raised) .... if schools like Olivet and Adrian can raise the $ as they have (and especially Olivet), no way that Calvin can't do it.


Calvin has struggled to raise money for a new Athletic/Fitness Center for the past few years.  The money is not flowing like some think, many Calvin alums are more committed to giving to academic programs (ie. new Science Building).

.... however, that isn't absolutely necessary if one wanted to "save some $" as there are many football facilities within a short drive from their campus which I have no doubt some arrangements could be made (at least for the first few start up years).


Good point.  Grand Rapids is a large city with many nice stadiums.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on August 15, 2006, 05:24:18 pm
As far as your coaching statements, not all the MIAA schools have the coaching "set-up" as you relate.  Alma was one of the first to go with non-teaching coaching positions in football and while not everyone agrees with that philosophy, it seems to work for them, and quite successfully in the past 10 years as can be seen.  I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.


Many MIAA schools state that they believe in a teacher/coach philosophy, but their hiring practices do not follow.

How many MIAA teams are coached by part-time staff? 
How many MIAA HPERDS departments hire and retain faculty that cannot coach? 
Many MIAA schools canít hire multiple part-timers because there isnít anyone in the small town that can do the job?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on August 15, 2006, 06:12:04 pm
I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.


Many MIAA schools state that they believe in a teacher/coach philosophy, but their hiring practices do not follow.

How many MIAA teams are coached by part-time staff? 


Hope Collegeís head coaches:

coach Stu Fritz, admissions staff (baseball)
coach Glenn Van Wieren EdD, professor (menís basketball)
coach Brian Morehouse, director of Dow and DeVos (womenís basketball)
coach Wes Wooley, self-employed graphic artist (cheerleading)
coach  Mark Northuis PhD,  professor (cross country)
coach Dean Kreps MA, associate professor (football)

coach Bob Ebels, independent businessman (menís golf)
coach Eva Dean Folkert MA, womenís AD (womenís golf)
coach Steve Smith PhD, professor (menís soccer)
coach Leigh Sears MA, assistant professor (womenís soccer)
coach Karla Wolters MA, associate professor (softball)
coach John Patnott PhD, professor (swimming)

coach Steve Gorno, Johnson Controls (menís tennis)
coach Karen Page, director of DeWitt (womenís tennis) 
coach Kevin Cole PhD, associate professor (track and field)
coach  Becky Schmidt MA (volleyball)

Nine of sixteen Hope College head coaches are not teaching staff (assuming the AD also teaches).  Seems like Hope has already "gone that route".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 16, 2006, 12:00:08 am
Some additional comments/clarifications to the discussion:

Flea:

If you want to be specific, then a clarification is appropriate.  The majority of Hope's head coaches are in teaching positions and I think you would agree that the major sports have this.  It is doubtful that any of their major sports head coaching positions (not counting J.V. teams) would be given to "part-time" coaches i.e. those not affiliated in some official capacity at the college.  I believe that was within the context we were talking - if not, my apologies for not clarifying that aspect. :)


Bilk:

Personally, I don't believe that there are not plenty of people in the small MIAA towns who could do the job as "part-timers". ;)  I would dare say that all the MIAA towns have such people who could - rather those people choose not too.  Moreover, many of the MIAA schools have "part-time" assistant coaches on their staffs (we're talking football here) who travel quite a distance to coach each day and on weekends and they do so because they want to (and are qualified to do the job).  They just happen to either hold other jobs and/or are graduate students working on their advanced degrees.  To the best of my knowledge, most of these positions are paid positions also (at least I know they are at some of the schools).



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 16, 2006, 12:04:06 am
Addendum:  I might be wrong, but I believe Coach Fritz does have teaching responsibilities on occasion (or has done so in the past).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bushop on August 16, 2006, 12:11:28 am
Bilk:

Personally, I don't believe that there are not plenty of people in the small MIAA towns who could do the job as "part-timers". ;)  I would dare say that all the MIAA towns have such people who could - rather those people choose not too.  Moreover, many of the MIAA schools have "part-time" assistant coaches on their staffs (we're talking football here) who travel quite a distance to coach each day and on weekends and they do so because they want to (and are qualified to do the job).  They just happen to either hold other jobs and/or are graduate students working on their advanced degrees.  To the best of my knowledge, most of these positions are paid positions also (at least I know they are at some of the schools).

I was told firsthand by an MIAA head coach that he could not hire most assistants even if he had the budget to becasue he did not know who he would hire.  When you look at Calvin's XC and T&F staff, six paid XC coaches and six paid T&F coaches plus a few volunteers ..... this is partialy due to Calvin's location in a community of 500,000 people. 

Can Adrian, Alma or Albion find that many solid coaches within commuting distance?  I know you disagree but still .....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on August 16, 2006, 12:17:38 am
Some additional comments/clarifications to the discussion:

Flea:

If you want to be specific, then a clarification is appropriate.  The majority of Hope's head coaches are in teaching positions and I think you would agree that the major sports have this.  It is doubtful that any of their major sports head coaching positions (not counting J.V. teams) would be given to "part-time" coaches i.e. those not affiliated in some official capacity at the college.  I believe that was within the context we were talking - if not, my apologies for not clarifying that aspect. :)


Good point, we were discussing "major" sports.

IMO, MIAA major sports:
- football
- womenís basketball
- menís basketball
- womenís volleyball



Would you agree with Bilk?  Are these the "major" sports?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 16, 2006, 12:18:54 am
Bish':

Hmmm, that is interesting.  I am surprised at that comment from that head coach, whom I obviously have no clue who that might be.  On the other hand, I find it surprising because I know of another head coach there who would confirm actually the opposite.  There are many qualified people (perhaps more than you may know) who would love the opportunity to serve as assistant coaches on the staff, however, it is not the right timing at present i.e. circumstances otherwise prevent that.

And yes, all three "A" schools can find/have found (particularly the northern most school) solid coaches within communting distance (I know this from first hand info/experience, both past and present "history"). ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bushop on August 16, 2006, 12:21:08 am
I stand corrected.  I have only heard that from one head coach.

I guess my other evidence is the lack of good coaches in the MIAA in so many sports.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 16, 2006, 12:21:20 am
Thanks Flea and Bilk and Bish' for an interesting discussion.  Had to get my "late night" DIIIfb.com fix! ;D  Time to retire for the evening but will look forward to further topics/discussions in the near future.  Take care.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on August 16, 2006, 12:37:17 am
I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.


Many MIAA schools state that they believe in a teacher/coach philosophy, but their hiring practices do not follow.

How many MIAA teams are coached by part-time staff? 


Calvin Collegeís head coaches:

coach James Timmer Jr. PhD men's AD (baseball)
coach Kevin VandeStreek MA, professor (menís basketball)
coach John Ross MS, associate professor (womenís basketball and menís tennis)

coach Brian Diemer, independent businessman (cross country)
coach Al Hoekstra, independent businessman (cross country)
coach Brian Bolt PhD, professor (menís golf)
coach Jerry Bergsma MA, professor (womenís golf and womenís tennis)

coach Chris Hughes, independent businessman (menís soccer)
coach Mark Recker, independent businessman (womenís soccer)
coach Deb Bakker HSD, professor (softball)
coach Dan Gelderloos MA, instructor and aquatics manager (swimmming)
coach Kim Jong-iI PhD, professor (track and field)
coach Amber Warners MA, professor (volleyball)


Four of fifteen Calvin College head coaches are not teaching staff (assuming the AD also teaches).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 16, 2006, 10:36:03 am

Can Adrian, Alma or Albion find that many solid coaches within commuting distance?  I know you disagree but still .....

I think so.

True, Adrian is not the thriving metropolis that Grand Rapids is, but Toledo is 35 minutes away, Jackson is 40, and Ann Arbor is 45.  I think all of those qualify as "commuting distance." 

Albion, too, can draw from Jackson, as well as Battle Creek and Lansing, all of which are easily under an hour's drive.

Alma has the roughest go of it, but it's not too terribly far to Saginaw, and Mount Pleasant is just down the road.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 16, 2006, 10:41:28 am
In terms of Coaching Staffs, Adrian is probably leading the league with some change.  For the first year ever Adrian has a fulltime 8 person coaching staff, with no teaching commitments.  All part of the progress that President Docking is bringing about.  This will be it posting for me as we start camp this afternoon at 1pm.  Good luck to all this season and I hope some of you get a chance to check out the new stadium when it is complete!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 16, 2006, 11:05:10 am
We'll miss you on the board, DAWG, but I'll see you on the sidelines...I just ordered my season tickets yesterday!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on August 16, 2006, 12:14:25 pm
Just so I understand.  What's everyone's opinion on coaches having other responibilities other than coaching?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Preto on August 16, 2006, 03:03:28 pm
Just so I understand.  What's everyone's opinion on coaches having other responibilities other than coaching?

IMO, it seems like it's a budget issue.

Many athletes are shorted because the demands on their coach's time (teaching, research).  But many students are shorted because of the time demands on their professors (commitees, research, writing).  With limited, tuition driven budgets, most D3 schools are hard pressed to fill their staffing needs with full-time coaches if they want to treat all their sports equally.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 16, 2006, 06:01:56 pm
Coaches that are full time coaches?

Just off the cuff I would guess that the vast majority of coaches fill another role, either on or off campus. If that be a teaching role at the campus where they are coaching... or a job off campus.

IMO the coaches should play an active role in their student athletes education. Best to be fully involved with the student who is struggling before it affects their athletics. Yes that means I would support coaches being a teacher. Same a a city employee having to live in the city where they are employed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 16, 2006, 06:10:19 pm
At Elmhurst, the majority of the coaches are employed full time.  The Head Coach is obviously full time, the Def. Coordinator and Off. Coordinator are both full time with other jobs on campus.  The former Baseball Coach was also the Chair for Athletic Fundraising, so each coach has multiple duties.
IMO, I am indifferent whether they are full timers or not.  I think as long as bring their energy and committment to help the kids excell... that's all that matters.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 16, 2006, 06:13:15 pm
OK I have been gone all summer - what happened to the message system? I have a new message from someone, its blank, and I cant delete it!! Am I just proving my computer savey or is something wrong with hte message system? ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 16, 2006, 07:51:39 pm
With camp in full swing, any info on scrimmages upcoming before season?
How many players dress for games, I know there is a official number max allowed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 16, 2006, 09:53:31 pm
OK I have been gone all summer - what happened to the message system? I have a new message from someone, its blank, and I cant delete it!! Am I just proving my computer savey or is something wrong with hte message system? ;D


The same thing happened to me.  Glad I am not the only one.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2006, 11:22:15 pm
It relates to the spam message that was sent out by a new user the other day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 17, 2006, 04:48:44 pm
Thanks Pat - now, how do I get rid of it?! Guess it dosn't really matter.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 21, 2006, 08:28:13 am
Anybody see the Albion vs GRCC scrimmage Friday?
Wondering how it went and what was the format?

Fall is here College firing up, HS games this week. Best time of the year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 25, 2006, 11:48:47 am
So is this the calm before the storm?  Nobody saying much of anything - must be busy with fantasy teams or something  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 25, 2006, 12:25:13 pm
Got a joke to break up the monotony.

Four ministers got together to confess their sins to each other:

1- "My sin is that after the morning service, my throat is so dry I go home and have a beer!"
          (Bad)

2- "My sin is that after the morning service, I go home and I smoke a great big cigar!"
           (Awful)

3- "My sin is that after the morning service, I find myself short of money so I steal from the collection plate!"
            (OUCH!!)

Finally, they get to the last man:

"What is your sin?"
"I can't tell you, it's too bad!"
"Aw, come on, after all we shared ours!"

 (Long pause for effect.)

4- "All right. My sin is gossip, and I can hardly wait to get out of here!"


(Drum rim-shots, tomato throws and/or stage drag-offs via cane optional).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 25, 2006, 03:26:39 pm
FDF:

I was thinking the same thing myself.  :)  You are right; we need to have our MIAA'ers step-it-up a bit this year.  Our board has always "lagged" behind the others regarding # of pages for posts for some reason(s) - not sure why.  We can't be that much busier than those guys on the other boards, are we??!!! ;D

Anyway, here's to encourage our fellow MIAA posters to participate more this fb season.  I look forward to seeing some good commentary and discussion.


WLCALUM83:

That was a good one. :)  We all need a little levity once in awhile around here on these boards (and in life in general, I think!) :)  Thanks.  BTW, welcome to the MIAA board.  We're sorry to see your alma mater leave after next season in 2007, but WLC has been a fine addition to the MIAA.  I'm sure they'll have fit in well in their new league when the time arrives.  Until then, we'll look forward to the compeition on the 'ole gridiron with them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 25, 2006, 03:28:23 pm
Addendum:

Oops.  Not sure why all those lines were in my last post.  I tried to clear them out and thought they were and it appeared so on the "preview".  But alas, when I posted it, they are still there.  Sorry about that; the postings are sincere, however.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 25, 2006, 04:59:24 pm
WLCALUM83 - great joke, I had to instantly send it to my wife, who is the Children's Ministry Director at our church.  I'm sure the entire church staff will enjoy it as much as I did.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 26, 2006, 12:12:45 am
Heard a great blonde and hillbillie joke today but they would need a bit of editing to go to print.

fd3db - admit it - you did the lines just to mess us up. ;D

Good preseason games - may set the tone for the season.

I think this year the MIAA is as evenly matched as ever. The top four and the bottom four leave very little room for mistakes. No clear favorites in my eye.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 26, 2006, 01:17:44 pm
wlcalum:

I could take "the 5th" on that - I am crazy enough to do such "bizaaredness" [is that a word??? ???]!  However, really, I have no idea how those lines got in there. ;D

Anyway, in all seriousness, I think you are right about the parity in the league in both tiers this year and you make a good statement i.e. ". . .very little room for mistakes."

It is interesting to see everyone's picks on the "MIAA Pick 'em" board (thanks to our poster for creating that).  Those teams open up next weekend; Hope has their final and Annual Inter-squad scrimmage the same day.  As some of our colleagues previously discussed earlier this summer, the non-conference schedules should give us a decent indication of how our teams are going to be this year - perhaps better than in past years.  However, as we all know and have been saying as in the above past few postings/discussion, when it comes to the league race - anything goes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2006, 08:36:35 pm
Addendum:

Oops.  Not sure why all those lines were in my last post.  I tried to clear them out and thought they were and it appeared so on the "preview".  But alas, when I posted it, they are still there.  Sorry about that; the postings are sincere, however.

Don't use the brackets to put the (s) in parentheses -- that's why god made parentheses. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 26, 2006, 10:11:14 pm
(parentheses) - bizaaredness - my such big words.  ;D

Can't wait for next weekend - high school ball has already started -  there is no better time of year - except for the high school wrestling season. Have you noticed that some of the best football players also were very good wrestlers in high school? Hard work says it all!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 26, 2006, 10:36:42 pm
Thats true Wrestling is all about effort and conditioning.
Many of the FB players are also Track and Field Runners or throwers great way to work on speed for sprinters, strength and footwork if your a thrower.

Good opening week, some tough games  for MIAA labor Day weekend.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2006, 02:05:42 pm
I moved your pick board to the spot where it belongs, with the others.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 27, 2006, 11:12:14 pm
Sorry Pat.  Thanks for the explanation re: the brackets.  I didn't do it on purpose, really.  Yours noted accordingly for future reference when posting!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 29, 2006, 09:41:18 am
You know it can get really confusing with all these options sometimes it makes it really hard to just type
a message  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 29, 2006, 04:03:46 pm
FDF:
Good to see another Dutch fan with some levity! ;D BTW, it will be interesting to see what transpires at the scrimmage Sat.  I thought I heard that a freshman has the inside track on the kicking position, but that was some "3rd hand" rumor.  I have not heard who has the inside track so far on the QB position, but suspect it could be last year's back-up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 29, 2006, 04:40:38 pm
d3db - I'm going to be out of town this weekend, but will look forward to hearing (reading) your assessment of the scrimmage.

Got to have some levity - there's not much else going on right now  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 29, 2006, 05:55:05 pm
It's getting close now, isn't it?  I'll really be interested to see how Albion fares against Butler, with Butler's new coach trying to get off on the right foot.  And, of course, I'm REALLY looking forward to the next weekend, when the Bulldogs open their new stadium.  Football is sneaking up in a hurry, and I'm sure the board will be much more active once it arrives.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 29, 2006, 06:25:56 pm
FDF:
Hope you have a great weekend.  Except for the scrimmage, I'd be going o-o-t too!  Will report about it when you return.  Have a safe trip.

bulldogalum:
Yes, it will be interesting to see how the Albion/Butler clash turns out.  They have been close in recent years with Albion having the upper hand as the "other Bulldogs" have not been up to the caliber of such a IAA team, even if non-scholarship.  I could be wrong, however, tend to think that Butler will be a little tougher against Albion this year with a their new coach, even though most situations like that take awhile for a new h.c. to get his system going and improve a team to their next level.

Like you say also, indeed it will be exciting to see Adrian in your new stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2006, 09:45:56 pm
Looking forward to listening to the Adrain/DC game on the web!  Wish I could be there but living out in California doesn't give me many chances to make it back for a game.  Excited though that Adrain opens their stadium against a rival like DC.  Should be a good game too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 02, 2006, 09:33:03 am
Best of luck to all teams seeing their first action today.  Let's get some nonconference wins for the MIAA!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 02, 2006, 03:41:09 pm
Finals:  Albion 31, Butler 10  :D
            Manchester 26, Tri-State 22  :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 02, 2006, 05:56:25 pm
Valpo 54 - WLC 0
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2006, 08:53:19 pm
Well, I was "way off" on the Ablion-Butler prediction.  Seems Butler has a long way to go to get to the likes of some of their counterparts in their league i.e. Dayton, San Diego, Moorehead State and even Stephen F. Austin.  I thought, perhaps, that with a new staff Butler would put on a much better showing, but regardless of what level, it does take time to turn things around.  Despite differences of opinions on this subject in past discussions on numerous boards by many people, I still am of the opinion that at it's best, DIAA non-scholarship football is a step above DIII - yet certainly it depends on the particular school and how they want to promote their program.   Although Albion is very good, I'm not sure that a full assessment can be made just yet until they play some better teams (although we could perhaps say that about some of our other MIAA teams).

Other results are about what I expected.  It appears Valpo is back on the rise (although they did win their league a couple of years ago or so), and I did think that WLC would have a better showing against them, even though I picked Valpo.  Tri-State and Manchester?  The latter is improving and again, apparently Tri-State had a better showing i.e. the didn't get pasted at least it appears from the score (admittedly, I do not have any info as to how the game actually went).  Like Butler, it will take a while with a new staff at Tri-State to improve the program.

Hope's final intra-scrimmage was very promising today (wonderful weather).  I thought it was a much better performance by both offense and defensive squads than last year's scrimmage.  Thankfully, no one got hurt (unlike the past couple of years).  Offense looked very good, although there is a battle for the QB position (my inside sources relate that it is between two right now, soph and Sr. as I recall).  Defense should be better than last year; appears a little bigger, but DB's will have to step it up a bit I believe.  However, Defensive coord/DB Coach Ricketts and Coach Vandermeer will have them ready I'm sure.  Overall, I feel more confident for Hope's start than last year, yet as we all know, anything goes - especially when you start out with an AWAY game far away.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 02, 2006, 09:40:17 pm
Albion Butler overview.

Albion looked fast and diverse in Offense. Mixed run and pass well.
Wilson throws a nice ball with a touch. He also can avoid the rush and steps up in the pocket well.
3 very very good WR for Albion, Big TE for Albion is a load. The recieverswent up and caught the ball even in traffic.
Solid running game, wide or between tackles, have some speeed there.

Albion defense was fast to the ball and tough on the power run game.
Defense stepped up each time Butler made a big play and gained field postion.

Albion had a little trouble on punt exchanges coverage and long snap.
Hopefully this can be corrected special teams wins close games.
FG team was solid, no issues on XP or FG.

Butler has good size on the lines, but was being beat off the ball.
Solid LB's for Butler. DB's were too small and not aggressive enough, or the WR from Albion are just that good.
Butler quick slants were effective when run but not much else.

Great start for Albion and a nice day on Campus. Good crowd with the holiday weekend, I am sure a lot of students went home.
traffice coming form eastside of MI was not bad with U of M playing @ 12:00
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 03, 2006, 12:13:44 am
First off, I'd like to start by apologizing to the Albion Britons.  Clearly, they've got their act together a bit better than I'd given them credit for.  Further, Butler, it would seem, has a LONG way to go before it turns things around.  Congrats to the Brits on a fine win to open the year.

Also, as I was in Adrian today for a friend's wedding, I figured I may as well stop by the new stadium to get a look at it for the first time in a couple of months.  Let me just say, I'm absolutely giddy at the thought of thousands of people filing into that stadium to watch a game there in a week.  It's going to be a special place, and a place I'll get to as frequently as possible to watch the Bulldogs play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 03, 2006, 08:15:49 am
I'm in Florida on a quick "before the kid goes to school" vacation, and was sure that I would be out of the loop on scores until I checked here.  Imagine my surprise when (while catching a bit of the Michigan/Vanderbilt game on ESPN)  I see the Albion/Butler score scroll by on the bottom.  Pretty cool!!

Congrats to the Brits!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 03, 2006, 03:02:08 pm
Yeah, that's always nice.  Butler, being a Division I school, is always reported on the ESPN Bottom Line.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 03, 2006, 05:24:18 pm
It is cool to see your school scrolled across the bottom of the screen. Too bad for the last three years we have been on the loss side of that scroll.  :'(

Good to see Tri State gave em a run for the money, hope they have improved over last year. Albion - keep on rolling, WLC - get it together boys!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: the_wing_t on September 04, 2006, 10:28:42 am
Okay, Hope....better bring your BEST Dutch letters to Pella with you next week.  I'll put Jaarsma's Bakery's letters up against ANY you can bring down from up North! 

Hope you all have a safe trip to Pella.....too bad Coach Schipper couldn't be here for the game.  He would have been proud of the meeting between the two.  And you guys are gonna love the new field.....played on it two weeks ago at the Alumni game and it is pretty sweet! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bob89 on September 04, 2006, 11:19:36 am
Finals:  Albion 31, Butler 10  :D
            Manchester 26, Tri-State 22  :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bob89 on September 04, 2006, 11:59:27 am
Finals:  Albion 31, Butler 10  :D
            Manchester 26, Tri-State 22  :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2006, 10:37:28 pm
Yes, it will be a tough game in Pella on Sat.  I agree it is too bad Coach Schipper is gone - he would have loved this one.  With Central having "one under their belt" already, I agree, Hope has to bring their top game.  There is no room for mistakes.  It will be interesting to see what plays out - it is also difficult to believe this is the first meeting ever between the "sister" schools. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bilk on September 05, 2006, 12:59:39 am
Saturday, Sept. 2 Players of the Week

Offensive  - Albion senior quarterback Jake Wilson of Romeo (Romeo HS) completed 20-of-29 passes for 273 yards and a touchdown in the Britons' season-opening 31-10 victory over Butler. He also rushed for 37 yards on seven carries.

Defensive - Tri-State senior linebacker Travis Foster of Monroe, Ind. (Adams Central HS) was credited with 15 tackles, including 2.5 for lost yardage, in the Thunder's season-opening 26-22 loss to Manchester.

Special Team - Albion senior placekicker Sayun Allen of Jackson (Jackson HS) was a perfect 4-for-4 on PATs and he kicked a 32-yard field goal in his first collegiate football game. He was a member of Albion's soccer team his first three years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 05, 2006, 01:41:03 pm
I've long wondered why college teams do not go harder after soccer players for their kicking ability. Just the average HS soccer player could make some noise in football kicking the ball. Yes it would take practice, but what a way to make a college team. I tell the little guys who are out for HS football to grab a tee and go kick the ball! Want to make the Varsity? Kick the ball! A summers worth of practice could get you a scholarship.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 05, 2006, 06:42:01 pm
College teams should allow kickers to play soccer & football.  Really all you need a kicker for is probably 2 days a week. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 05, 2006, 06:50:01 pm
it would cost the D3 school a bundle...1 less student  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 05, 2006, 10:05:12 pm
Soccer and football at the same time?

Several questions.

Which practices would the player attend?

Which games would he play (in the event of Saturday games if the soccer team was at home and the football team on the road, or vice versa?)

Wouldn't being active in both sports at once cut big into an athlete's academic study time?

Just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 05, 2006, 10:21:39 pm
Can I sign up Nigel from "The Replacements"  for the football team?  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 05, 2006, 10:28:19 pm
Soccer and football at the same time?

Several questions.

Which practices would the player attend?

Which games would he play (in the event of Saturday games if the soccer team was at home and the football team on the road, or vice versa?)

Wouldn't being active in both sports at once cut big into an athlete's academic study time?

Just throwing it out there.

Which practice?  Usually soccer - how much involvement does the kicker have in the overall fball practice anyway?!

Which game?  Unless the player is indispensible to the soccer team, I'd say fball.  There are fewer fball games in a season, and the kicker is likely to be more crucial than most individual soccer players.  (Besides, there are probably plenty of soccer benchwarmers with strong legs, but other defects - the kicker need not be a soccer starter).

Cut big into academic time?  Not necessarily.  Practice time does not need to be very much over either alone.  If the soccer team never plays on weekends, game time may be an intrusion, but I doubt that is very often the case.

I'm firmly against any RULE against both - play it on a case-by-case basis
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 06, 2006, 09:14:58 am
For our local high school (West Ottawa) the last two kickers on the football team are also soccer players - of course they are sisters (girls soccer is played in the spring) and their dad is an assitant coach on the FB team.  Both very accurate at what they do.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 06, 2006, 09:55:30 am
FlyingDutchFan-- That's like the movie "Necessary Roughness" where they have model Kathy Ireland doing the kicking chores.   :D
At my High School, we had a woman try out, and MAKE the Wrestling Team. She was pretty good too! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 06, 2006, 02:49:24 pm
I wrestled a few women in high school.....   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 02:51:14 pm
any pins ?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 06, 2006, 03:03:21 pm
Had a female noseguard on my team in high school.  She was about 5'4" 225 pounds & she could grow more facial hair then me at the time.  That is one you wouldn't want to pin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 03:05:15 pm
"Boo facial hair on a female nose guard. Hooray electrolysis."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 06, 2006, 04:20:02 pm
Yes, lord knows I had some moments during my "wild" hs days.  I can recall one time, skedaddling out of a girl's house because Daddy was there with his shotgun.  No in all seriousness, all this guy had to do was give you a stern look, and THAT was scary enough!  :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on September 06, 2006, 10:03:38 pm
I just saw the most recent pics of Adrian College's stadium, and I have to say it has to be one of the most beautiful stadiums in DIII.  I was impressed by looking at the pics, yet at the same time somewhat jealous.  I wish Albion would upgrade Sprankle Sprandle Stadium.  Seems like a lot of schools are putting forth money towards building new stadiums and arenas.  I definitely have the Albion-Adrian game circled on my calendar, as I plan on making the trip to watch the Britons take on the Bulldogs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 07, 2006, 06:11:03 pm
Out here in WI we had a girl take second in the state in wrestling this past spring and she will be a senior this year. Also had a girl wrestle at team state a couple years ago. Some are tough most are ...well girls.
Just your average soccer player could be a very good kicker for the football team. Something for coaches to think about come recruiting time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 08, 2006, 09:32:01 pm
I posted this on the CCIW board also, but the Albion vs. Wheaton game will be broadcast on the Internet over d3football.com
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 12:39:59 pm
End of 1st Qrtr:  Cornell 10, Alma 7 (Cornell threatening to add more.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 01:11:45 pm
Halftime:  Cornell 17, Alma 10.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 02:02:04 pm
Just less than 3 minutes to go in the 3rd:

Alma and Cornell tied at 24! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 02:24:54 pm
Approximately 6 minutes left:

Alma 31, Cornell 24.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 02:33:34 pm
Cornell threatening again. . . 2 minutes left
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 02:35:59 pm
Alma making a goal line stand. . .
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 02:44:02 pm
Final:  Cornell 32, Alma 31. OUCH!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 04:51:56 pm
Hope's trailing by 11 late in the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 07:18:44 pm
Have Adrian's new field dedication rites going on as I write. (I'm reminded of WLC's Homecoming festivities back in 2004. That was the only time I got to look at Warrior Field in person, and the team scored 2 touchdowns in the last 6 minutes to knock off Kalamazoo, 21-14.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 08:37:53 pm
Halftime:  Defiance 3, Adrian 0. No lie! ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 09:28:57 pm
End of 3rd Qrtr:  Defiance 3, Adrian 0. (More of a defensive battle than I expected).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 09, 2006, 09:30:47 pm
Your Hope guys did a great job the first half.  I think the Dutch just caught fire the second half.  I think it was a tale of two halves.  Central couldn't stop you guys the first two posessions, Hope did anything they wanted.  The second half Hope couldn't do anything at all.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 09:55:24 pm
Adrian's down 10 late with Defiance threatening yet again. . .
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 10:04:51 pm
Sounds like the MIAA's gonna take the oh-for today. Rats!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 10, 2006, 12:40:32 am
I hope some of you were able to hear the Albion/Wheaton game over the web.  Tough evening for Albion who never was able to get on track at Wheaton.  I was impressed with Albion's second QB  Hodkins  who came in to replace the starter.  Was he hurt or did Coach Rundle just try to mix things up with a new QB?
Hope the MIAA has better results next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2006, 11:10:08 am
0(h) my!!!! :(  Hope and our MIAA colleagues took it on the chinstrap bigtime yesterday.  While we (MIAA) have the AQ, this does not look good for the league with regards to handling non-conf competition, and especially in the playoffs.  Of course, there is still a long way to go and definitely, the main goal is to win the league (that is for Hope to win the league ;D).

It appears Hope was coasting well in the 1st half, but fell apart in the second (concentration? or what?).  It appears that Albion and Adrian never got on track.  As for the others, I have no info, but perhaps some of our colleagues here could fill us in.

A few other surprises yesterday with Wabash and Linfield losing.  Looks like this will be an interesting season, but...again it is still early.   Thoughts anyone?

Also, I didn't get a chance to hear the Albion/Wheaton game, but I'm sure Jaybird and his colleague did a good job.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on September 10, 2006, 11:10:44 am
Anyone have an Olivet Score?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2006, 11:16:06 am
d3dl:
Olivet lost to Ill Wesleyan 21-7.  You can go onto the MIAA website for all the scores
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 10, 2006, 12:30:55 pm
                         As far as Defiance  competing in the top three in the MIAA, thats a joke.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 10, 2006, 03:28:46 pm
formerd3db-- I didn't get any phone calls for broken windows or cpu's after the broadcast..  so I guess everything went well.  ;D
Albion ran into a strong Wheaton team that surprised me.  The Thunder's defense, and in particular Andy Studebaker, was unstoppable all night.
Albion's defense gave them opportunities to get back into the game.  In fact, the Britons defense had the Thunder at 3rd and long from their own goalline at one point.  I still think long road trips are hard no matter who's playing.
I hope the MIAA can get back on the right track(s) next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2006, 10:08:24 pm
jaybird:

Glad the broadcast went well.  I didn't think you'd receive any broken windows, tomato throws or your banner ripped in shreds! ;D

Sounds like it was the Albion offense that was the cause of the tough game.  I'm sure they'll rebound.  I am still surprised at the Adrian score; I figured Alma would have a very close game as they did.  Obviously, I'm disappointed in the Hope score as are others "in our camp". :(

Anyway, on to week #3 (or two for some of our teams ;D)

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on September 10, 2006, 10:13:04 pm
Looks like the MIAA was M.I.A. this weekend :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 11, 2006, 12:18:43 am
Well, I suppose it's time to weigh in on the Adrian game.  I apologize for my tardiness in writing, but it's been a busy couple of days.

First, the stadium.  It's an excellent place to watch a game.  The seats are right on top of the field, and the individual seatbacks are comfortable.  The narrow entryways from the concourse into individual sections give the field a big-time feel.  An interesting note:  From my seats in Section E (about the 42 yard line) I could clearly hear the Defiance coaching staff from their spot in the pressbox.  At times this was interesting, and at other times, infuriating.

The crowd was massive.  There were more students at this football game than I've ever seen at an Adrian athletic event, and I can only hope they continue to show support on that level.  It was really a great atmosphere.  It was also really cool that they had the gameball parachuted onto the field right before gametime.  The postgame fireworks show was also quite nice.

And now onto the game...

The big crowd was looking for a reason to get excited, and early on, some big hits by the defense helped to some extent.  I haven't looked at the time of possession statistics, but it seemed like our defense was on the field for a very long time, and often in poor field position.  In spite of that, the defense performed well.  For the most part, they were aggressive, and made good tackles in big situations.

Unfortunately, the offense did not fare as well as the defense on this night.  Though the Bulldog offense moved the ball the length of the field on several occasions, ultimately they made enough mistakes at bad times to cost them.  Bottom line, you cannot turn the ball over 5 times and expect to win the game, especially when two of those turnovers come on the way into the endzone.  The Bulldogs lost DJ Howard early in the game with what appeared to be a knee injury (no word on just how serious, though), and that clearly hurt their big play potential.  Hopefully they can make a few adjustments heading into next week that will allow them to put some points on the board.

Defiance was a solid football team, and they played like they had something to prove.  I think they cherished the thought of spoiling a team's first game in their new stadium, and they certainly did that.  They would be competitive with any team in the MIAA, there's no question about that.  In spite of that fact, and in spite of last night, I still honestly feel that if Adrian and Defiance were to play 10 times, the Bulldogs would win 8 of them.  These things happen sometimes.

At the end of the day, it was a great night in a stadium that, I am sure, will see many great games over the years.  The defense was tough, and the offense is going to have to improve, but should be able to do so before the conference season starts.  Beat Bluffton.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 11, 2006, 11:14:02 am
i think Defiance being in week 2 helped a bunch.  the DC game last week against Otterbien was almost the exact same.  5 turnovers cost the game and would love a shot at playing them again.

i used to love playing at adrian so i can only imagine how sweet it is with the new stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2006, 01:56:42 pm
bulldogalum:

Thanks for the info regarding the game.  Must have been great to be there to see the crowd.  Sorry you team lost, but as you and dc_alum relate, "that's the way it goes" sometimes.  Since the MIAA was "0 for" this past weekend, they need to rebound this upcoming one.  I'm sure at least some of the teams will, but as I mention, that doesn't exactly help a ton for the offseason.  As all of us have discussed on here in the past, the MIAA teams need to establish beating their non-conf opponents on a regular basis to help in the playoffs.  Until they do, I'm afraid it will be awhile before we see another team advance since Albion in 1994.  Anyway, on to week #3.
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Post by: 79jaybird on September 11, 2006, 02:52:47 pm
formerd3db-- thank you for your confidence in me.  We had a good time and hoped the game would have been closer.  Albion just couldn't muster up those long, profitable drives early that put added pressure on their defense.  I am also sorry to hear that Hope couldn't pull out the W in Iowa.
BTW,  did my package arrive safely in the mail for you?  I hope you enjoy the two pieces of literature inside.  MR  ;D
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Post by: BigJ70 on September 11, 2006, 06:24:34 pm
Bulldog Alum,
I too was at the game and enjoyed the stadium and the atmosphere it generated.  It took me this long to muster up a comment here at D3.com because of my disappointment in the outcome of the game.  Here are some observations that welcome comments, especially from a Bulldog alum, and also former 3db as you obviously keep up on what is going on the in the M I 2 A.

-Its obvious to me that Adrian has abandoned the sound running, ball control offense that has been a staple of the good teams in the past.  Even in Coach Lyall's era of winning seasons the dawgs had a meaty back that could control the ball and get some yards on the ground.  We have fallen into the trap of the flashy offense with speed burners all over the place and when a QB has a less than average night we're left with a goose egg on our new scoreboard.

-Our defense is solid but when left on the field all night, any defense will weaken.

-I understand that numbers are important, especially in light of a $6.5 million stadium project...you gotta pay the bills, BUT I counted 150 players on the sideline Saturday night.  I hope we have not sacrificed quality depth with sheer numbers.  Does that make sense?  I hope practices are demanding and players are getting the reps, that's what makes champs.

-I would have saved the fireworks for the first victory, not just the first game.

I hope the Dawgs bounce back against Bluffton.  I hope to be there to give a report next week.  Again any comments are welcomed.  GO DAWGS!
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Post by: bulldogalum on September 11, 2006, 07:56:20 pm
BigJ70:

I'm not sure that Adrian has completely abandoned the ball control running game.  I was certainly disappointed with the run schemes we saw on Saturday, but I never give up on a team after one game.  I hope we can pound the ball and punish defensive lines more as the season continues, that would go a long way to improving the offensive output.

Obviously, our defense spent too much time on the field.  We have to find a way to get them some rest time, or else it's going to be a long season.

Your point regarding numbers is well taken.  However, I think the additional players are the result of an effort to really increase both the quantity (obviously) and the quality of student athletes at the school.  I can't speak as to the number of reps the reserve players get during practice, but I also hope that everyone is given an opportunity to work and improve in their position.

It would have been nice to save the fireworks for the first win, but it would also be impractical.  The game on Saturday, unless I am mistaken, is to be the only night game this season.  So basically, the first home win will end at roughly 4 pm, not exactly prime time for fireworks viewing.  It was a good show, though.  Too bad it had to be accompanied by the sick feeling in my stomach following the loss.

I think they'll bounce back and play well against Bluffton.  Certainly, this game will be largely about pride.  At this point, they're not playing for rankings or anything else, the league isn't starting yet, so there is no league title to worry about.  They just need to play well for themselves.  Hopefully I'll be there as well, and I look forward to a much improved effort.
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Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 11, 2006, 08:52:46 pm
formerd3db,


I think Hope ran out of gas.  At the fourth quarter start your defense walked from the sidelines to the other end of the field.  The offense for the Dutch ran to the ball.  After the first scoring drive of the second half your D-line had their hands on their hips and looked gassed.  Just an observation.  You D-line was big but I do feel that they were not in the best shape as they seemed to be slower in the second half. 
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Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2006, 09:06:04 pm
BigJ70:
Welcome to the board.  Thanks for your comments.  You'll be joining bulldogalum (and DAWG in the off-season) as among our Adrian posters.  Also, in 1999, Adrian did have about 170 players on the roster (that included the J.V.'s).  There have been some extensive discussions over the past 1-2 years on these boards (not just the MIAA board) about roster 3's with varied opinions on that.  Anyway, you make some good points.  We'll look forward to your contributions here.

jaybird:
You are welcome.  Great story, BTW on your email!  Glad the broadcast turned out okay.  I will let you know about your first issue newspaper.  Good luck this weekend.

DutchFan2004:
Thanks for your observations.  Yes, I think we are much bigger in size on the line compared to the last couple of years.  However, you bring up a good point about conditioning.  We'll have to see how that plays out in the next couple of weeks.  Congrats on the win and a nice event in re-dedication to the new stadium to Schippers.  I'm disappointed I couldn't make the trip.  Best of luck for the rest of the season.

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Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 11, 2006, 09:19:53 pm
formerd3db,

I was sure impressed the way you guys started.  Your Hope Dutchman took control.  I am not sure if it was partly because we didn't know what to expect and we played a little more loosely than we normally do or Hope's excellent execution on the first two drives.  Your QB could do no wrong.  He had all the time in the world to throw and he found the open guys.  After the second Hope drive the Pella Dutch didn't let Hope move the ball.   I think Hope can do some great things this year from what I saw.  GOOD LUCK THE REST OF THE WAY AND GO DUTCH!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 11, 2006, 10:34:27 pm
I saw the first half of the Albion game this weekend.
Great atmosphere in Wheaton a lot of energy with the game being the first game under the lights.

Wheaton is a good team, great size in all positions, big WR and DB's. Which is something you do not always see in D3.
QB was very mobile and had several big key runs on 3rd down when Albion brought pressure.
The turnovers and mistakes under pressure that Albion had in the first quarter set the tone for the game. Albion was on it's heals early and Wheaton capitalized.
Glad to see Albion settle down and play better in the second half.

Was Wilson (Senior QB ) hurt? did not see him in the game, after what I thought was a good game against Butler.

We will see how Albion responds to a bad game with another tough road game VS Thiel.
I think Albion will respond with a good game.
Great set up for a MIAA run, assuming Albion looks good against Thiel.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2006, 04:59:25 pm
DutchFan:
Thanks and good luck to your guys also.

D306:
Yes, indeed it will be interesting to see how these teams "rebound" after this past weekend's disappointments.  I think that you are right in that it could be a good set up for an MIAA run for any of them, especially since Hope and Albion meet on Sept 30th.  However, Hope has to deal with Wheaton on the 23rd, so they had better bring their "A" game after seeing how Albion fared.  It will be @ Hope, but will still be a tough one I'm sure.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 12, 2006, 07:06:45 pm
DB

I agree tough game for Hope at Home.
Wheaton was very good on line play. The DE Studebaker (spelling) ws in the Albion backfield way to often. Wheaton DB's that jump the route so a hitch and go would be a great call after a couple of passes.

Hope has 1 advantage that Albion did not have/ Wheaton and the Crowd and for what it worth was "FIRED UP" for the firstr game under the lights.
I still feel Wheaton was the better team but the emotion and the bad start for Albion really set them back and by the time Albion recovered the game was well in Wheatons hands.

I feel playing a tough out of conference schedule is always a help as long as you come out healthy and have a win and are competitive.

Hope VS Albion will be a big game to set the tone for each schools season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2006, 08:21:39 pm
D306:
Agree with you.  Also, thanks for the inside(insight) info re: Wheaton. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 12, 2006, 10:01:52 pm
Wheaton is a very strong opponent for Hope (and for all the other CCIW members), however they are not "untouchable"  and haven't played as well on the road.
I think the Albion/Wheaton game would have been a different story if the Britons could have controlled Andy Studebaker and that D-Line.
One advantage Hope will have is a traveling Thunder Team.  Albion looked a little "out of sorts" to start the game, perhaps due to the traveling.  The same thing may/could happen to the Thunder this week.  I think this is the second straight good MIAA/CCIW matchup this weekend.
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Post by: 79jaybird on September 12, 2006, 10:14:51 pm
Ah, that should read in 2 weeks when Wheaton faces Hope.  ;D
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 07:29:29 pm
End of 1st Quarter:  Manchester 0, Olivet 0.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 07:52:19 pm
5:00 left in 2nd Quarter:  Olivet 14, Manchester 0.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 08:14:17 pm
Half:  Olivet 17, Manchester 0.
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Post by: scotty on September 14, 2006, 08:29:01 pm
Thursday night football...it's the Big Time...
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 08:54:05 pm
6 minutes left in the 3rd Quarter:  Olivet 17, Manchester 14.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 09:03:29 pm
End of 3rd Quarter:  Olivet 23, Manchester 14.
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Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2006, 09:40:06 pm
Not that it really matters, but out of curiosity: does Olivet going from 17 to 23 reflect 2 FGs or a TD and missed extra point?
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 09:49:41 pm
TD and missed extra point. BTW, the Comets increased that lead to 33 to 14 late in the fourth, so barring an astronomical catastrophe, Olivet opens up with a win at home.
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Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 14, 2006, 10:24:20 pm
does Olivet even have a kicker?  my Jr year they went the hole year with out kicking an extra Pt.  funny thing is most of thier fakes was out of the PAT formation or the muddle huddle
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Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2006, 11:04:17 pm
To get to 17, I would certainly assume they had 2 TDs, with extra points, and a FG.  And to go from 23 to 33, I would assume a TD, EP, and FG. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2006, 11:26:05 pm
This may be a dumb question (and I should know the answer to it, yet I do not), however, here goes anyway:
Why was Olivet's game vs. Manchester tonight i.e. on a Thursday instead of as per usual this Sat?  Was there some special reason or did they just want to do it like the MAC and/or some other conferences do, such as the ESPN Thursday night games?  Just curious.  BTW, Olivet apparently won just as many of us thought.
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Post by: 79jaybird on September 15, 2006, 12:25:11 am
Congrats to Olivet on their first W for 2006.  I was secretly hoping they wouldn't have won, because that makes Elmhurst's job that much more difficult, because Olivet will have the mo factor on their side.  Course, Elmhurst has to get past U Chicago first.  I am looking forward to a good battle next week at Olivet between the 1-1 Comets and 1 (hopefully 2) and 0 Bluejays.
Re:  Thursday Night games... (I am sure this is probably NOT the reason they played this game on Thursday), however in my high school conference, one of the schools we played had a large Jewish population.  They would have Thursday games scheduled on the weeks of Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah,  for religious purposes.   That's the only "other" time I have seen Thursday night games played, other than TV and $$ factors for ESPN.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 15, 2006, 06:50:33 am
To get to 17, I would certainly assume they had 2 TDs, with extra points, and a FG.  And to go from 23 to 33, I would assume a TD, EP, and FG. 

   Two touchdowns, a 2-point conversion after the 2nd, and a FG for the first 17. (bobbled snap on extra point attempt after first TD.) 23-33 is exactly accurate. ;)
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 15, 2006, 08:03:48 pm
does Olivet even have a kicker?  my Jr year they went the hole year with out kicking an extra Pt.  funny thing is most of thier fakes was out of the PAT formation or the muddle huddle

Olivet does have a kicker--Kyle Zabel. :)
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 12:36:00 pm
End of 1st Quarter:  DePauw 0, Hope 0:
   (If Hank Stram was still around he'd say both offenses have been in "Lawrence Welk" mode--1, 2, 3, punt--1, 2, 3, punt--so far, anyway).
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 12:47:32 pm
DePaw 3, Hope 0 approaching midway through the 2nd.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 01:15:01 pm
DePauw 9, Hope 7 (Half)
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 02:07:04 pm
End of 3rd:  DePauw 16, Hope 7.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 02:34:17 pm
4:36 left in 4th-- DePauw 16, Hope 14.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 02:46:59 pm
Final:  DePauw 23, Hope 14.  :-[
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Post by: formerd3db on September 16, 2006, 09:36:06 pm
Looks like Hope is in trouble.  When you only get 21 yards net rushing (51 net by your to RB), it is hard to win games - and we have Wheaton next, but it is our place.  Still will be a tough game for sure.  Albion barely gets by Theil (not sure how to judge them as yet); as does Adrian.  Kazoo didn't lose by much either, much closer than I had anticipated; Alma squeeks by in OT.  It also appears that Tri-State is improving.  My underlying feeling is that the non-conf schedules will be "a wash" somewhat and that the "good 'ole MIAA" race will be a shoot-out as usual.
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Post by: bulldogalum on September 16, 2006, 11:23:59 pm
formerd3db:

I tend to agree as to the nonconference results. 

Sounds like Hope is dealing with the same problems as Adrian on offense, although the Bulldogs looked much better offensively this week than they did last.  Add that to the fact that the defense didn't give up any points (Bluffton's TD came on a kickoff return, and we blocked the PAT), and we should at least be close in every game. 

It's always tough to go and get a big win on the road, and Albion did a nice job of that today.  I hear the radio broadcast from Thiel was somewhat less than partial, by the by. 

I think we'll learn quite a bit more in the next few weeks.  I think Olivet is better than anticipated, and Tri State appears to be improved.  As usual, there's not really an easy week in MIAA action. 

As a sidebar, how about the maize and blue today?  Very nice win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2006, 12:48:20 am
bulldogalum:

Good to hear from you, friend.  I agree with you as well.  Olivet just might surprise some people and as always, are a "dangerous team" and "someone to be watched"! ;D  I'll tell you one thing: both Adrian and Hope better "get serious" or they could be in for a long season.

As far as the DI "boys", yes U of M had just a super day today.  Really made all the "nay-sayers" think twice and also that perhaps ND is not as good as some of the pollsters promoted them to be.  However, you know how Mich has a tendency to "blow it" after a big win like that, and of course the MSU rivalry is always "anyone's guess" - a crapshoot! ;D Also, I am not a fan of Weis, however, have to give him credit for being very sportsman like and giving the deserved kudos to Mich.

Speaking of MSU, I was indeed surprised at how they blew out Pitt in the second half.  Pitt just fell apart, kind of like Hope did last weekend and today in the second half.  I believe Pitt is a better team than they showed in the second half today - they'll just have to rebound.  Also, Northwestern (always a favorite of mine despite being a U of M fan as my dad went to the latter) just gets by Eastern Michigan.  Just shows us how far NW has dropped this year.  Although they are above .500 right now, I think they will definitely have trouble in their Big Ten schedule.  No doubt some of that has to be a result of their prev h.c. Walker's unfortunate death this summer.

Anyway, I could discuss more, but alas, it is getting late; too late.  So I will sign off and look forward to talking with you and our fellow MIAA'ers here again soon.  Take care.
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Post by: Trailer Dog on September 17, 2006, 09:09:32 pm
Players of Week #3

Offensive Player of the Week
Alma senior quarterback Josh Brehm of Ithaca (Ithaca HS) accounted for more than 400 yards of total offense as the Scots defeated UW-Eau Claire 33-30 in overtime. He completed 36-of-57 passes for 358 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions. He also rushed for two touchdowns gaining 76 yards on 24 carries. He is being honored as player of the week for the fifth time in his career.
Other Nominations: Troy Niblock, Adrian; Tom Pratt, Olivet; Courtney Sanders, Tri-State

Defensive Player of the Week
Hope junior end Matt Rugenstein of Grand Rapids (GR Christian HS) was credited with 7.5 tackles for a loss, including 4.5 quarterback sacks in 23-14 loss to DePauw. He ended with ten tackles, six of them solos, for lost yardage of 32 yards.
Other Nominations: Joel Howland, Adrian; DeRan Thomas, Olivet; Doug VanEerden, Hope; Caleb Barnes, Alma; Ryan Malone, Adrian

Special Teams Player of the Week
Albion senior Jeff Stowers of Brighton (Brighton HS) averaged 41.5 yards per punt with two inside the 20-yard line as the Britons defeated Thiel, Pa. 24-20. He executed a perfect fake punt late in the game gaining 11 yards to keep the drive alive that led to the winning touchdown. He also played the entire game in the defensive backfield intercepting a pass and making five tackles.
Other Nominations: Kyle Lindsay, Adrian; Ken Lackscheide, Olivet; Nathaniel Fitzsimmons, Tri-State
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2006, 12:47:35 am
Strange, but we haven't heard from any Olivet or Kazoo posters.  Rome, where are you? ??? :)

Also, to you WLC guys:  Sorry about the 3rd loss.  Tough situation for your team.  I thought they would have a better showing in their non-conf games (except for perhaps DIAA Valpo).  Hopefully, they can rebound going into the MIAA schedule, except, of course, not against Hope! ;D  ::) :)
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Post by: Bilk on September 18, 2006, 03:30:45 am

9-23 projections:
Wheaton all over Hope

So true, this could get ugly. 

Do you see this as a possible turn-around game for the Dutchmen?  Will it push the program in a new and better direction if they can beat the Thunder?  Not just a new direction for 2006, but for years to come?
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Post by: Jim Matson on September 18, 2006, 06:40:23 pm
Wheaton's year thus far has been good, but as has been stated over on the CCIW board, it is too early to come to any definitive conclusions.  Wash U and Albion were both blow outs for the Thunder but both games were at home.  On the road in front of a good crowd at Hope might lead to a different outcome.

Thus far though, the Thunder defense is as good as I've seen it in years, so Hope will have to move the ball well to have a shot.
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Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2006, 06:50:04 pm
Hello Mr. Soccar-Man from Wheaton!  Yes, friend, I believe you are right.  Hope's defense has not been too bad overall in their first two games despite the losses.  The problem has been the offense and turnovers.  Indeed, Hope's offense will have to eliminate the latter (and of course move the ball, take advantage of potential scoring opportunities) to have a chance against your Wheaton.  While home field advantage and a probable decent crowd since it is our first home game (although being 0-2 could hurt that a bit) are +'s, as you know, doesn't guarantee a win.  I think it will be a good game, however, it certainly could be a blow-out (I HOPE not for us! ;D).  Even though Wheaton has blown out A & W as you mention, they seem to be pretty balanced.

BTW, are you going to make the trip up here this year?  If so, let me know - it would be great to meet you. 
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Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2006, 06:51:49 pm
Hiker Jim:
I may have made an "oops"! :-[ Were you a soccer guy or runner at Wheaton? ???  Someone told me and I forgot. ;D
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Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 18, 2006, 06:53:49 pm
Hiker Jim:
I may have made an "oops"! :-[ Were you a soccer guy or runner at Wheaton? ???  Someone told me and I forgot. ;D

He's the moderator for the soccer boards, if that helps!
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Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2006, 08:02:03 pm
Thanks, Mr. Ypsi! ;)
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 19, 2006, 10:33:56 am
With Tri-State's new offensive scheme, how many in-conference games will the Thunder win? (Giving an up-to-now second-division team a little more attention.) ;)
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Post by: matblake on September 19, 2006, 01:58:36 pm
Personally, I think this weeks game between Hope and Wheaton will be the toughest the Thunder have had yet.  Wheaton has not been away from home yet and the two have some history between them.  Personally, if Wheaton controls from the defensive side of the ball as they have been, it might turn into a long afternoon for the Dutchmen IMO, specifically because of formerd3's post.  Hope should be pretty fired up for their first home game though. 
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Post by: 79jaybird on September 20, 2006, 03:42:46 pm
Saturday's Elmhurst/Olivet game will be a homecoming for 5 Bluejays.
QB Mike LaFleur   Mt. Pleasant, MI
TE/WR Lex Cisler  E. Grand Rapids, MI
WR Matt Long       Mt. Pleasant, MI
WR Graeme Jarrell  E. Grand Rapids, MI
WR Blake Veldhuis Mt. Pleasant, MI
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Post by: bulldogalum on September 20, 2006, 03:44:04 pm
79jaybird:

Is there any specific connection between Elmhurst, EGR, and MP, or is that just a terrific coincidence?
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Post by: matblake on September 20, 2006, 03:45:20 pm
Saturday's Elmhurst/Olivet game will be a homecoming for 5 Bluejays.
QB Mike LaFleur   Mt. Pleasant, MI
TE/WR Lex Cisler  E. Grand Rapids, MI
WR Matt Long       Mt. Pleasant, MI
WR Graeme Jarrell  E. Grand Rapids, MI
WR Blake Veldhuis Mt. Pleasant, MI

jaybird, any idea if all the Mt. Pleasant guys went to the same high school?  Same with the E. Grand Rapids guys.
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Post by: 79jaybird on September 20, 2006, 08:29:10 pm
MatBlake- Mike LaFleur, Matt Long, and Blake Veldhuis are all from the same high school.  Mt. Pleasant, MI (HS) is what's listed in the football program.
Lex Cisler and Graeme Jarrell are also from the same high school in East Grand Rapids.
BulldogAlum- I know Elmhurst has recruited heavily in Michigan and Wisconsin. This is a bit of a change from when I played, when EC recruited heavily in Florida.  I think when I played, 1/4 of our team were Floridians, and now we have a fair mix of talent.
72 from IL
5 from MI
3 from WI
2 from CA
2 from FL
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Post by: matblake on September 22, 2006, 10:15:04 am
I looked at the stats and Hope definitely appears to be a team that likes to pass.  If the weather is bad, what kind of impact will it have on the game?
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Post by: formerd3db on September 22, 2006, 11:02:47 am
matblake:

As you mentioned over on your CCIW board, the grass field could have an effect if it rains in regards to the passing.  Although Hope has shown a tendency for the passing game, with rain conditions a short pass pattern game would have a better effect in moving the ball.  Even then, however, they have to refrain from turnovers i.e. interceptions which has hurt them in the previous games.  As I mentioned before, avoidance of those (turnovers) will be the key for Hope, in the sense that either team could still play a good game without turnovers and get beat.

I HOPE the weather is decent tomorrow, however, the current reports are not promising.
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Post by: matblake on September 22, 2006, 11:18:22 am
Thanks formerd3.  I was going to make an attempt to get out and see the game in person, but the rain and a "honey do" list take precedence this week, especially with our trek to Illinois planned for Wheaton's Homecoming. 
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Post by: D306 on September 22, 2006, 02:25:23 pm
Big game for Hope.
Need a win going into league play.
Wheaton and Albion played earlier how much of gage do you think this game is for Hope.
bad game for Albion at Wheaton under the lights first time at Wheaton,Couple bad turnovers and it was on.

The week off for Albion gives them an advantage to plan for Hope
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 01:23:47 pm
Just past midway point of 1st Quarter:

Alma 7, Wittenberg 0.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 01:29:46 pm
End of 1st:  Alma 7, Wittenberg 7.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 01:39:22 pm
Alma 14, Wittenberg 7-- a few minutes into the second quarter.
 (So far both offenses have been able to move the ball--Alma as expected---that Wittenberg running back Murray is getting his fair share of yardage to this point.)
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 01:43:13 pm
Wittenberg got a long kickoff return--just tied the game at 14-some 10 minutes left in the 2nd.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 01:52:04 pm
Midway thru the 2nd:  Alma 21, Wittenberg 14. (The Alma broadcast team says it's raining in Wittenberg-impending delay down the road???)
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 02:05:25 pm
2:00 left in the 2nd:  Wittenberg and Alma tied at 21.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 02:13:20 pm
Wittenberg got another turnover, but couldn't move the ball:

Tigers and Alma Scots tied at 21 at the half:
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 02:39:57 pm
Approx.  11:30 left in 3rd:  Alma 24, Wittenberg 21.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 02:48:00 pm
End of the 3rd:  Wittenberg 28, Alma 24.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 03:10:55 pm
Just less than 10 minutes left:  Wittenberg 35, Alma 24 (Murray broke a long run for a TD).
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 03:25:08 pm
5:16 to go: Wittenberg 42, Alma 24. :(
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Post by: miaafbfan on September 23, 2006, 03:27:06 pm
Sounds like Alma is in self destruct mode.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 03:37:03 pm
Sounds like Alma is in self destruct mode.

Final:  Wittenberg 42. Alma 24.

The rain started coming down harder late in the game, for one. Secondly. Alma's D gave up one long pass play and one long run play (respectively), both for TD's. Thirdly, the Scot's O was slowed down big time late. If Tri-State brings their A game next week and Alma comes out flat on the road, that will be a more interesting than expected match-up.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 04:00:51 pm
I've shifted to the Franklin-Tri-State game; The Thunder team is in a barn-burner as I write.
28-28 in the 4th Quarter. (That's not a typo-folks).
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 04:04:48 pm
5:09 left. The Thunder are at mid-field on offense.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 04:11:48 pm
Tri-State turned it over, got a stop. 90 yds away, less than 2 minutes left.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 04:21:56 pm
Franklin 31, Tri-State 28, Final. (Franklin held, and got a long kickoff return to put them in range, then a late field goal.)
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Post by: dc_has_been on September 23, 2006, 05:38:02 pm
Tough loss for Tri-State.  3 losses by a td or less.  Looks like if they can keep everyone there they may be a contender in the future.
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Post by: NW Hope Fan on September 23, 2006, 09:19:40 pm
Ouch...
4-18 pre-league season!!!
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Post by: 79jaybird on September 23, 2006, 09:54:01 pm
Just returned from Olivet College after driving from Olivet to NW suburbs of Chicago in wall to wall heavy rain!  Ugh!  I hate driving in inclement weather. Literally I was driving 25 mph on the expressway because the rain was coming down so heavy.  Dark, ominous skies  and just poor driving conditions.

As I mentioned on the CCIW I want to compliment Olivet College and their Staff.  Geoff, your facilities, accomodations, and school are second to none and A+.  Your field ( I love the end zones!) and press box is beautiful.  Very spacious, comfortable, and not a bad view in the booth.  Thank you for your help during the weekend.

Coach Sparks, it was great to hang out with you and your wife at "The Gavel" Friday Night.  Except  hehe,  I was asked by one of our Assistant Coaches if I "gave away any of our secrets."  ;D
No in all seriousness, I stayed in Charlotte, MI   and really enjoyed my stay/weekend with you folks. 

As for the game,  I think the game has a whole different makeup and storyline if Olivet doesn't have the 3 major turnovers early.  3 turnovers were converted into 17 points... that is a huge hole to dig out of.  Secondly, your running back #2  is going to be a great one in the coming years.  I hope he sticks with the program and ( I believe he's only a Soph?) has two more years.  #2's running really impressed me.

That is the first win ever for Elmhurst in the state of Michigan and against a MIAA opponent.  They were previously 0-4  losing to Alma during a stretch from 1994-1997.

Best of luck to Olivet and the MIAA in the upcoming MIAA season.  (MR)
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Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2006, 01:19:22 am
WLCAlum:
Thanks for the game scenarios.  Also, a thanks for helping our board "get up there" in pages for posts!  We have a long way to go to even think about catching up with the other boards! ;)  Anyway, appreciate your contributions.

To fellow MIAA'er's:  see my post (i.e. opinion) on the CCIW board about the Hope/Wheaton game.

jaybird:
Glad you had a good time on your trip (except for the drive and rain - I had the exact same experience driving back from Hope tonight as well :P)  Also, good that you had some time to hang out with a former "Hopeite" i.e. Coach Sparks!  He was a great player for us awhile back.  Congrats on the Elmhurst win.  Sounds like they are a good team and have a good foundation/start heading into the league play.  Still, I was very impressed with Wheaton today.  But like any team, on any given day, they could be beat.  Talk to you later.
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Post by: 79jaybird on September 24, 2006, 10:48:03 am
formerd3db-- thank you and I too am glad you made it home safely.  You mentioned a tornado warning in Grand Rapids.  I hope everybody was o.k. and there was no tornado spotted.  Get this!  I had just finished dinner on Friday in Charlotte, MI when I go back to my hotel.  I turn on the Weather Channel to get a forecast for Saturday's game.  The first thing that the Meteorologist says is this: "Right now we want to focus on the Chicago Area where there is a dangerous situation... There is a tornado SPOTTED!  in Park Ridge, IL heading towards Niles, (and other suburbs etc.) 
I nearly choked on my glass of water (yes it was water!  ;D )
Park Ridge is adjacent to Mt. Prospect so now I am really worried about the folks at home.  I called home and my Mother says, "Well, we are in the basement, the sirens are going off, the streets are flooded, and it is really dark!"
Thankfully, there was no damage, just a lot of water.
I was watching the MSU/ND game and the heavy rain that was pelting Spartan Stadium.. is exactly what I had to drive home in.

When I called the Wheaton/Albion game I knew the Thunder were going to be strong this year.  Their defensive line (Studebaker)  is one of the strongest I have seen in a long time.  Anything can happen in conference play, but I wouldn't be surprised in Wheaton is able to bring back the hardware this year.  I think that would make 4 of the last 6 years.
2000 Wheaton (tied with 2 others) 2002, 2003

In regards to the officiating.  I am sorry to hear that there were some questionable calls and unprofessional moments with your crew.  I thought the MIAA crew that called the EC/Olivet game was very good.  There were some questionable Pass Int. calls at the end of the game (when it was 33-10), but all in all I thought it was a well officiated game.

Yes, Coach Sparks and his wife Mindy were very nice people to spend Friday Night with.  Really, all the people in Olivet and Charlotte, MI were pleasant to spend time with.  Coach Sparks and I spent some time talking about Hope Football and the last time Hope made the playoffs.

Even though Hope is 0-3  as long as they play well in conference and get that AQ,  then the 0-3 start doesn't come into play.  Similarly,  Augie (defending CCIW champs) is 1-2 but if they run the table again in conf.  then their 1-2 record doesn't matter. 
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Post by: wlcalum on September 24, 2006, 12:13:36 pm
Glad to hear everyone got home safely, all homes are safe, and hopefully all teams are healthy. Get ready to start the beating boys as another season hits it's stride.

Looking forward to the homecoming game at WLC, will be there with beads on.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 24, 2006, 01:49:24 pm
WLCAlum:
Thanks for the game scenarios.  Also, a thanks for helping our board "get up there" in pages for posts!  We have a long way to go to even think about catching up with the other boards! ;)  Anyway, appreciate your contributions.

To fellow MIAA'er's:  see my post (i.e. opinion) on the CCIW board about the Hope/Wheaton game.



Thanks, --fortunately the games I've picked so far haven't been blowouts. (Hey, wlcalum--got a question for you:  How can next week be our Homecoming when the football Warriors haven't even been on the road yet?--ba dumm bumm. (Unless you count the local paved roads between the main campus and practice.) ;) :D
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Post by: wlcalum on September 25, 2006, 04:13:46 pm
Alum83 - It is homecoming for Seiler and Hahm who just got back from Finland!! ;D ;)
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 25, 2006, 06:38:19 pm
Ah HA! Good response!
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Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2006, 07:24:44 pm
Since there is apparently little to discuss in the MIAA this week (!), a d1 question:

When Michigan ventures to Minnesota this Saturday, SOMETHING'S got to give.  UMinn is averaging almost 227 rushing yards a game (2nd in the Big 10); UMich is averaging 18.5(!!) yards allowed (first in the whole country).  Who's average will be harder hit (or will one totally prevail)?

I have trouble believing that Michigan can maintain that average, but if they come even close, the rout is on.  If Minnesota's average is NOT severely impaired, things could get dicey.

Comments?
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Post by: 79jaybird on September 26, 2006, 09:58:34 pm
formerd3db-- How was Hope's defensive performance last week vs. Wheaton?  The reason I ask is this:  I think if Hope can muster up a strong defensive pursuit/rush,  I think the Dutch will have some opportunities vs. Albion.
When I called the Albion/Wheaton game, the Thunder mounted a strong pass rush all game.  Albion looked a little "slow" responding to the Thunder onslaught, in particular Studebaker.
I was impressed with Albion's offense and think the Britons have a very good team.  I picked Hope as my upset special. What do you think?
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Post by: D306 on September 27, 2006, 12:06:26 am
Jaybird

Wheaton had a great Dline push that game.
Albion was playing without 2 starters on offense, QB and OL.
Would have been a different game with these guys in there.
Still think Wheaton was fired up and Dline would have been the difference in the game Wheatons way.
Looking forward to this weekend, I will go with Albion in a hard fought game.
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Post by: dc_has_been on September 27, 2006, 12:20:54 am
Mr. Ypsi- I don't think U of M will be able to keep Minnesota under 19 yeards rushing, but I do think they'll be able to contain them to under 100 yards rushing which is very impressive against Minnesota.  Michigan's defense is very fast this year which will show why they'll dominate the Big Ten & knock off OSU.
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Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 27, 2006, 12:40:41 am
Mr. Ypsi- I don't think U of M will be able to keep Minnesota under 19 yeards rushing, but I do think they'll be able to contain them to under 100 yards rushing which is very impressive against Minnesota.  Michigan's defense is very fast this year which will show why they'll dominate the Big Ten & knock off OSU.

That's my take (hope!) on the game.  As far as OSU, wouldn't it be great if they were each 11-0 (and ranked 1 and 2)?!

I doubt it is realistically possible, but I'd love to see them re-matched in the national championship game. ;D  My conception of heaven is TWO UM-OSU matchups (for HIGH stakes) in TWO months! ;)
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Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 27, 2006, 08:08:25 am
Mr. Ypsi- I don't think U of M will be able to keep Minnesota under 19 yeards rushing, but I do think they'll be able to contain them to under 100 yards rushing which is very impressive against Minnesota.  Michigan's defense is very fast this year which will show why they'll dominate the Big Ten & knock off OSU.

That's my take (hope!) on the game.  As far as OSU, wouldn't it be great if they were each 11-0 (and ranked 1 and 2)?!

I doubt it is realistically possible, but I'd love to see them re-matched in the national championship game. ;D  My conception of heaven is TWO UM-OSU matchups (for HIGH stakes) in TWO months! ;)

So in your heaven, what kind of outcomes would we see?   :o
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Post by: dc_has_been on September 27, 2006, 10:25:41 am
In my heaven related to U of M football is just beat Notre Dame & that team south of us that's named after a nut. ;D  It also would be great to see U of M get another National Championship if they do go undefeated it will probably be USC who they'll play.
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Post by: D306 on September 27, 2006, 11:26:37 am
Re U of M

I am glad to see the aggressive calls defensively and offensivley.
The way FB is in college now, you better throw the ball.
So many great athletes, someoone will break off a big play.
Michigan zone blocking looks to have some choices for Hart and he is capitalizing.
If the defense stays aggeressive and pressures teams, I believe U of M will go into OSU undefeated, then its on. Want to see how Iowa does vs. OSU. If Iowa exposes some holes in defense then I will have higher hopes of a U of M upset in Cbus.
Right now I give OSU the edge in the Big Ten and a shot at the National Title Game.

Right or wrong U of M still has me worried about letdowns and playing down to the the level of some teams.
U of M has lost the "killer" instinct in the last few years.

Kinda spoiled though if you look at all the wins U of M has, I guess I expect a top 5 - 10 finish every year which is unresonable expectations.
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Post by: D306 on September 27, 2006, 11:29:13 am
After the non conference schedule and the reviews I have seen or games I have seen.
I am thinking Albion will win the league, of course there will be several big contests that determine the MIAA.

Any thoughts with the MIAA starting this week?
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2006, 12:53:49 pm
I'm figuring the 3 "A" schools, Hope and Olivet will be in the thick of it. Tri-State could knock off a team or two if their opposition has a flat game.

Weaknesses:  Alma--turnover prone-D vulnerable (witness 3 "big-play TD's" given up against Wittenberg-
                        Adrian-- gives up costly unexpected penalties on occasion- kicking game thus far has been off.

                        Albion-- if the Britons come out of the gate flat any game and get pounced on immediately, they could be vulnerable (example--Wheaton).

                        Olivet--  heard early turnovers cost them big last game. Running game will do damage.

                        Hope/Kalamazoo--  haven't followed close enough to comment much on.

                        Tri-State--  The Thunder will surprise some people--just need to come out of the gate strong and play as close to all 60 minutes as possible.

                        WLC--  Have to beat either Olivet, Kalamazoo or Tri-State, (the second of those squads on the road). Interesting to see what adjustments will have been made on offense during the bye week. Had one or two players get hurt early, and in one of those cases, it's cost them a lot.)
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Post by: Briton-DL on September 27, 2006, 01:39:22 pm
Big One this week!!!!! Albion Vs. the Hope. This should be interesting!!! I will have to go with Albion. Of course come on would I pick against my own school in a big game like this. Since watching closely to the post and games just want to know what is up with the rest of the league!!!! Why such terrible records, are teams that down this year?  Oh in addition to that yeah, I saw a post about my comment that Defience wouldnt compete well in the conference, well lets put it like this yeah they beat Adrian, who hasnt won a conference championship in over 15 years and just recently finshed a couple times in the top three. So yes I still stick to the statement that they wouldnt be in the top 3 of the conference. As a matter of fact Albion use to play them and beat on them pretty bad. Enough of that, well I wish teams get better through the weeks so that Our Conference champs (Albion) have a legit shot at making a run in the Playoff's. As of right now I say Albion all the way they've played probably the toughest non-conference schedule and look to well prepared for the rest of the League. Pound Purple Pound !!!!!!! Go get'em this week Boys and remember FTD!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Post by: wlcalum on September 27, 2006, 02:32:44 pm
I agree, Albion/Hope is the game of the week. It will let us know how far the top is seperated from the middle. My bet is not by much. It was hard for me to pick Albion over Hope, went with past results.  :-\

I also like the Olivet/WLC game, and not just because I have a decided interest. This game determines the middle of the pack. Who wants it the most?!

Adrian vs Kalamazoo and Alma vs Tri State give us a preview as to the improvements the Zoo and TS have made. I hope a lot. Would be nice to see all the A's get knocked off. That would mean the MIAA is stronger, which is good for all teams. Everyone go 4-4 this year!!
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Post by: albinomascot19 on September 27, 2006, 11:25:37 pm
I agree, Albion/Hope is the game of the week. It will let us know how far the top is seperated from the middle. My bet is not by much. It was hard for me to pick Albion over Hope, went with past results.  :-\

I also like the Olivet/WLC game, and not just because I have a decided interest. This game determines the middle of the pack. Who wants it the most?!

Adrian vs Kalamazoo and Alma vs Tri State give us a preview as to the improvements the Zoo and TS have made. I hope a lot. Would be nice to see all the A's get knocked off. That would mean the MIAA is stronger, which is good for all teams. Everyone go 4-4 this year!!


How does everyone go 4-4, where everyone actually plays a 10 game schedule.  But I understand you basically want there to be a logjam in the MIAA.  This weekend is just the start of another exciting MIAA Conference Schedule.  This weekend won't decide who will win it all, but it will surely give us an idea who seems like a favorite.  As the conference schedule progresses, teams will separate from each other, and eventually we will see a few teams battle it out for the MIAA Crown.  I am kind of surprised how the MIAA has struggled out the gate so far with their non conference schedules.  For Albion to take on Wheaton I knew it would be a tough task at hand, but didnt imagine them getting shelled like they did.  However I was quite pleased with an amazing effort at Theil, as they roared back down by 10 in the 4th and coming back with a nail biting 24-20 victory.  Hope may be winless right now, but Albion will be playing a hungry Dutchmen team.  Albion needs to get out of the gate making plays on both offense and defense, and then just put the foot to the gas.  I wish I could go to the game but have to take my Law school exam.  For everyone in attendance, I expect them to see the fireworks go off.  It will be a dandy of a game.  We'll see if Albion continues where it left off last season or do the Dutchmen have some tricks up their sleeve.  May the best team win. 

   
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Post by: bulldogalum on September 28, 2006, 10:18:44 am
albinomascot:

Good luck on the LSAT.  I'll reserve my comments on the actual value of that exam in law school until after you've taken the exam.

As far as Albion-Hope is concerned, Hope better be hungry.  They got throttled last year, they're playing their home opener, and they're coming off a tough non-conference schedule.  I expect them to play with passion and intensity.  However, I'm not sure they'll be able to stop Albion.  The Brits have had Hope's number the past several seasons, and have done a great job attacking the Hope offense and picking on the weak spots in Hope's defense.  If they can continue to do that, there's not much Hope can do.  I may head up to Holland for the game, so I'm hoping it's a close one.
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Post by: formerd3db on September 28, 2006, 10:34:00 pm
I have to agree, for the most part, with most of the recent posts.  Hope/Albion is the top header this weekend.  Neither team, IMO, is of the caliber that they have been in the past (for that matter, neither are the other MIAA teams including Alma and Adrian).  That does not mean to imply that the MIAA race will not be a barnburner again this year because I think it will be as usual (although we could all be surprised).  However, whoever wins the league, I tend to disagree with the previous post that the MIAA AQ representative will go far in the playoffs.  I do not think they will; certainly this is not supported by the caliber of play demonstrated in the non-conference schedules.  I hope that team does, yet believe it is less likely, unfortunately.  We still have a long way to go to get back to the Albion 1994 "on-track" for a national title, let along getting to the second round of the playoffs.

With regard to Hope, to expound on both WLCalum's post of less info to make an assesment and that of others who have seen Albion and/or Hope play:  Hope's problem has been two, no make that three-fold 1) no offensive blocking, basically no offense when needed, 2) poor defensive play (secondary and poor tackling fundamentals overall), and 3) too many turnovers.  A bright spot, however, is the determination showed toward the end of the Wheaton game.  Hope did not give up and did prove they can have some offensive spark.  Yet, until they sustain that, they are in trouble.  Bottom line as has already been noted by others:  even though it is a home game for Hope, they need to have their "A" game in place against one of the "A" teams. ;), but also, if Albion comes out flat i.e. has a slow start, it could be a tough time for them as well.

With poor weather again slated for Sat (rain), it could be a factor - at least certainly not as enjoyable to sit in the stands or pace on the sideline. ;D  But because we all love it (the game), we'll be doing it regardless!

Best of luck to all the teams this weekend - and preliminary congrats to the winners whoever they turn out to be!

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Post by: formerd3db on September 28, 2006, 10:34:48 pm
P.S.  bulldogalum: will look forward to seeing you if you are able to make it to the game at Holland.
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Post by: wabco on September 29, 2006, 02:20:22 pm
Have you guys seen today's Grand Rapids Press sports p[age article entitled "Oldie, but not a goodie" by Howie Beardsley?  (grpress.com)

He really takes some shots at the MIAA.  I do not agree with his conclusion, although I do agree that recent out of conference experience has not been exemplary.  It will make it harder to recruit in Western Michigan ... if anytone really in fact reads the GR Press ... and Oldie and not necessarily a goodie.

Comments?
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Post by: 79jaybird on September 29, 2006, 02:28:58 pm
The MIAA, CCIW, Ohio conferences, etc. are great conferences with a tremendous amount of history, facts, and great players embedded inside.
The MIAA like the CCIW so far hasn't proven to be as strong as they (the confs.) have been in the past.  Still some great football is played in these conferences and players play with the most important engine-- the heart.

Just out of curiosity,  what is the weather forecast(s) for the MIAA games?
I know they are expecting rain showers for the Elmhurst/Carthage game.
I heard a story that there were Water Spouts  in Holland earlier today.  I hope everybody is ok and that the MIAA games go on without weather problems.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 29, 2006, 02:47:15 pm
Have you guys seen today's Grand Rapids Press sports p[age article entitled "Oldie, but not a goodie" by Howie Beardsley?  (grpress.com)

He really takes some shots at the MIAA.  I do not agree with his conclusion, although I do agree that recent out of conference experience has not been exemplary.  It will make it harder to recruit in Western Michigan ... if anytone really in fact reads the GR Press ... and Oldie and not necessarily a goodie.

Comments?

While there may be some justification in the writer mentioning the competition from Div II football schools recruiting-wise in Michigan, (WLC has to compete with several other DIII schools a relative stone's throw away in other in-WI conferences--can't justify commenting much on Tri-State's recruiting situation)-- IMHO the writer is putting too much emphasis on just the overall record alone for this particular MIAA non-conference season.

Further, Tri-State's 3 losses have been by less than 10 points each game--if it weren't for an off-side call on a late goal line stand, Alma beats Cornell in the Scots opener. Wittenberg beat the Scots by 18, but you take 2 big 4th Quarter long-gainers for TD's away from the Tigers, that's a closer ball game. Adrian and Kalamazoo have been close in all of their games and Hope, Albion and Olivet have lost to highly ranked teams.

WLC lost at least one key player to injury for a couple of games--which factors into the Warriors' struggles.

Show me a conference that's never had a "down stretch" and I'll show you some land I've got for sale in Mississippi. (I guess by this writer's definition it's the MIAA's turn to be down).

 ::) :-X

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Post by: 79jaybird on September 29, 2006, 04:47:49 pm
WLCAlum83-- many schools have to deal with competition with recruits.
Around WILutheran  you have the WIAC schools, Carroll, Ripon, Marian, Beloit, and Carthage. Going South you also have Lake Forest and TIU-Deefield.
Elmhurst has to compete with the CCIW, Lake Forest, CURF, Dominican, etc.  so I guess my point is just that there is competition for talent everywhere you look.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 29, 2006, 07:10:09 pm
79 jaybird--sorry if something I wrote was misconstrued. I hadn't intended to give the impression I was disputing the reporter on recruiting--I only indicated I didn't know enough about Tri-State's recruiting specifics..

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Post by: Trailer Dog on September 30, 2006, 12:27:04 am
Have you guys seen today's Grand Rapids Press sports p[age article entitled "Oldie, but not a goodie" by Howie Beardsley?  (grpress.com)

He really takes some shots at the MIAA.  I do not agree with his conclusion, although I do agree that recent out of conference experience has not been exemplary.  It will make it harder to recruit in Western Michigan ... if anytone really in fact reads the GR Press ... and Oldie and not necessarily a goodie.

Comments?

Okay.....I know Calvin does not have football but this point was made on the XC board.

Calvin's Mens Cross Country is ranked #1 in NCAA D3, they have been in the top-2 at the NCAAs 7 of the past 8 years. 

Take a look at the Calvin XC roster (http://www.calvin.edu/sports/mxc/roster.htm).....only FOUR runners are from Michigan. 

If the MIAA only pulls football players from Michigan they will continue to lose non-MIAA games......and do ZERO damage in the NCAA playoffs.  Sure, the D2 teams do take too many athletes but Calvin does not get their top runners from GR, or even Michigan.  GVSU is almost as good in XC as they are in football.....the top-2 female Xian school runners went to GVSU this fall, and Calvin's women are ranked 6th in D3.
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Post by: Bilk on September 30, 2006, 12:45:50 am

Show me a conference that's never had a "down stretch" and I'll show you some land I've got for sale in Mississippi. (I guess by this writer's definition it's the MIAA's turn to be down).

 ::) :-X


"down stretch" ... MIAA's turn ... good night, they're in a turnstile, taking turn after turn:

MIAA in the NCAA --

Five wins
Fifteen losses

Britons win one in 1993 and four in 1994

-- we suck
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Post by: dc_has_been on September 30, 2006, 01:46:52 am
Has any of the MIAA schools from Michigan ever had a strong recruit base outside the state? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on September 30, 2006, 02:37:06 am
Have any of the MIAA schools from Michigan ever had a strong recruiting base outside the state? 

Are you writing about ONLY football recruiting?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 08:51:14 am

Show me a conference that's never had a "down stretch" and I'll show you some land I've got for sale in Mississippi. (I guess by this writer's definition it's the MIAA's turn to be down).

 ::) :-X


"down stretch" ... MIAA's turn ... good night, they're in a turnstile, taking turn after turn:

MIAA in the NCAA --

Five wins
Fifteen losses

Britons win one in 1993 and four in 1994

-- we suck

You got me on that one. If things work out right with today's games, I plan to eat a lot of crow anyway. :-[ ;) 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2006, 09:03:16 am
Has any of the MIAA schools from Michigan ever had a strong recruit base outside the state? 

dc:

"Way back in my day", Hope used to have a very strong recruiting base from the NY, NJ area for football student-athletes due to the association of the school with the Reformed Church in America and the strong Dutch familty heritage out that way; some of it was also due to alumni.  We had a fairly good contingent of players on the roster, some very good all-conf players who could play on some of the top tier DIII (and some DII) teams.  However, in the last decade and more, that has declined much - I'm not sure why (I haven't actually inquired about this particular aspect).  As you can see, like most of the other MIAA schools, the majority of players are from MI - alot from around the west side of the state; also "hot bed" areas from various high schools crop up where a group of players go to Hope up from time to time, but that seems to change also.

Olivet, in the mid-'90's went to the trend (like Defiance and some of the DIII Iowa schools did) of recruiting alot from Florida, however, that trend has pretty much died out.  It's a long way for young men to go for a DIII school, different climate, etc., and also since a few more DIII programs have been established in the south. (i.e. talking only NCAA programs, not forgetting about the NAIA programs in TN, KY, GA areas, etc.).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2006, 09:04:32 am
Addendum:

Adrian pulls a few players from the Ohio area (in your DC's and Toledo area), however, again, most from MI.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 30, 2006, 10:29:08 am
When I played at Elmhurst (1999) I would say 1/3 of our team was from Florida and the rest were from the urban IHSA schools in IL.  While these Floridians were very talented, I often wondered why Augie/MIllikin/IWU were focusing on the Chicago area, and EC was not.  Times have changed and now almost all of our recruits are from the Chicago area/suburban schools.
We do have 4 players from Michigan most notably our QB Mike LaFleur (Mt. Pleasant) and our starting WR Blake Veldhuis  (also Mt. Pleasant)
WLCAlum83-- I see I missed your point, my apologies and I agree with your point now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 11:47:25 am
When I played at Elmhurst (1999) I would say 1/3 of our team was from Florida and the rest were from the urban IHSA schools in IL.  While these Floridians were very talented, I often wondered why Augie/MIllikin/IWU were focusing on the Chicago area, and EC was not.  Times have changed and now almost all of our recruits are from the Chicago area/suburban schools.
We do have 4 players from Michigan most notably our QB Mike LaFleur (Mt. Pleasant) and our starting WR Blake Veldhuis  (also Mt. Pleasant)
WLCAlum83-- I see I missed your point, my apologies and I agree with your point now.


I accept.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 12:16:56 pm
Tri-State vs. Alma coming up shortly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 12:50:58 pm
5:30 left in 1st Qrtr:  Alma 7, Tri-State 0. (The Thunder already have lost 1 turnover).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 30, 2006, 12:51:38 pm
When I was at Defiance we did have a lot of players from Flordia.  We used to tell trick them & tell them to watch out for snow snakes b/c they were very poisonous. :D
Trailer dog- yes i'm talkiing about football only.  Sorry I wasn't specific enough earlier.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 12:59:15 pm
End of 1st:  Alma 14, Tri-State 0. (Brehm to Cline long pass complete for TD.)
  Thunder able to move ball on first 2 possessions, after that--all Alma--to this point.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 30, 2006, 12:59:47 pm
DCHas Been-- I can remember a Freshman from Florida had never seen snow before.  He asks me innocently, "How are Chicago Winters and does it get real cold?"   :D
Needless to say January in Chicago was a shocker for him.  He had to go and buy a whole new wardrobe for Winter b/c he only packed light clothing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:10:05 pm
Approx, 13:00 left in 2nd, Alma 21, Tri-State 0.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:14:02 pm
Alma 28, TSU 0  11:15 Q2
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:16:26 pm
Alma 28, TSU 0  11:15 Q2

Brehm's already got 3 TD passes.  Crow vendor?  Crow vender? Where's that crow vendor?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:21:35 pm
Still 28-0.  TSU missed a 42 yd FG.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:24:46 pm
Alma 34, TSU 0.  7:14 Q2
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:27:32 pm
This writer eating crow with refreshment:

"Chomp, chomp, chomp, slurp."

"Chomp, chomp, chomp, slurp."

(Ba dumm bumm). ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:32:00 pm
Alma 41, TSU 0  4:07 Q2
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:36:28 pm
I've shifted to Adrian/Kalamazoo. Believe it or not, the Hornets are ahead 14-0. 14:43 to go in 2nd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:39:36 pm
Alma 41, TSU 6  1:18 Q2
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:42:26 pm
Kalamazoo 14, Adrian 7--approx 10 minutes to go in 2nd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:46:07 pm
Alma 41, TSU 6   Halftime

Kazoo/Adrian sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:57:35 pm
Adrian threatened to score again--only to fumble the ball out of the end zone on a 4th down play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 02:04:04 pm
4:00 minutes left in 2nd:  Kalamazoo and Adrian tied at 14.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 02:13:47 pm
Halftime:  Adrian 21, Kalamazoo 14. (Bulldog QB on his game in the second quarter, according to the Adrian broadcasters).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 02:19:11 pm
Alma 41, TSU 14  9:15 Q3
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 02:24:14 pm
Alma 48, TSU 14   7:24 Q3
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 02:30:10 pm
Alma 48, TSU 22   5:54Q3

Both defenses seem to be folding.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 02:34:13 pm
Does TSU have 4 stops and 4 scores left in them??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 02:43:44 pm
Not likely, but this is the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 02:56:34 pm
Alma 55, TSU 22  10 minutes left
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:07:50 pm
Adrian 28, Kalamazoo 14, early in the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 03:10:29 pm
Alma 55, TSU 30  6 minutes to go
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 03:16:04 pm
Alma 58, TSU 30  3 minutes to go
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:22:58 pm
Late in 4th Quarter:  Adrian broke a long run for 92 yds and a TD. Adrian 35, Kzoo 14, more than halfway through the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 03:24:55 pm
Alma 58, Tri-State 36

Final
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:33:36 pm
Adrian 35, Kalamazoo 14--Final
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:36:43 pm
Switched again--this time to Hope/Albion. Albion is trailing by 3 with 5 minutes left in the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:42:41 pm
Albion's kicker just missed a FG attempt! 2 minutes left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:50:26 pm
Albion held, threatening again--
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:52:31 pm
Final  Hope 24, Albion 21.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 04:01:54 pm
Hope announcers said there was a final in Milwaukee:

Olivet 19, WLC 6.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on September 30, 2006, 07:48:46 pm
Hope is now 21-13-2 at home against Albion since 1926 and 3-1 since 2000. (1982 since Hope won at Albion, with a tie in '86)
Nice job Hope... On to Alma!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 30, 2006, 11:03:16 pm
Hope 24    Albion 21

Great game by all accounts.  This was the kind of game that makes watching MIAA and DIII football so great.  On a muddy field on a cool, sometimes rainy, but not altogether unbearable day, Hope made just enough plays to get the job done.  They are better in all aspects than they were last year.  That is not to say that Hope is great at everything--far from it--but they are a much better team than the team I saw Albion destroy last year.

I was most impressed by Booko, the Hope RB.  He was a very strong runner, low to the ground, who simply made a lot of big plays for Hope in short yardage situations, and provided a steady boost to the Dutchmen throughout the day.  Without his 148 yards, Hope does not win this game.

Hope's QB, Jake Manning had his moments--both good and bad.  In general, he had a solid game, and even scrambled away from pressure fairly well, but he had occasional lapses that resulted in turnovers.  I know at least one of his three interceptions came with Hope driving deep into Albion territory.

Doug VanEerden is a fine wide receiver, and had a very nice game for the Dutch.

The biggest weak spot for Hope is the same as it's been for the past few years.  Their secondary play is still fairly spotty.  Albion was able to attack the Dutch deep with a fair amount of success for much of the game.  Note to anyone playing against Hope:  Throw it downfield!!!  You may not connect every time, but there will be many situations where it will be open for you.

Albion looked pretty good offensively throughout the game.  They had a balanced attack (167 passing, 162 rushing), and protected the ball better than Hope.  Their problems came at the ends of drives--specifically two drives late in the game.  One drive ended with a missed field goal.  It must have been close, because from where I sat, I thought it was through.  The other, of course, was the last drive of the game.  These new rules make late drives difficult, especially when you've used all of your timeouts.  On that drive, Albion marched down the field, only to suffer a costly sack on 3rd down without much time left.  They tried to rush the field goal team onto the field, and actually got the ball snapped before time had expired, but not all of the Albion offensive unit had made it off the field in time.  The kick, incidentally, was no good, and Hope went stark raving bananas.

A good win for the Dutch, and a great start to the conference season.  But, as I told one Albion player after the game..."you lost your first conference game last year and still got a ring, so hang in there." 

Nobody is out of the MIAA conference race yet, but some teams, Albion included, have a little tougher road.

Adrian 35     Kalamazoo 14

They endured.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 01, 2006, 12:23:46 am
formerd3db-- Hey hey, I should go to Vegas with my predictions!!  :P
Now if I could predict the weather and the lottery, that would be great.  No, in all seriousness I just had a feeling tht Hope would have the emotional high to knock off Albion.  They played well in the 2nd half vs. Wheaton and I just had the hunch that Hope would continue that momentum.
Congrats to all the MIAA winners.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2006, 09:12:45 am
jaybird:
Yeah, that would be great i.e. the lottery too! ;D  Anyway, thank you for the well-wishes on the win.  Likewise in return, congrats to your Elmhurst team on their win - wow, they are 4-0, first time in a long time for that.  Hopefully, they'll be able to continue that momentum.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 01, 2006, 09:27:51 am
formerd3db-- You are right, it has been awhile since Elmhurst is 4-0 and 3 of their wins have been against mid--strong level competition.  Excluding Benedictine,  Chicago, Olivet, and Carthage are quality wins.  Not to mention being "road warriors" the last 2 weeks.
Hope is also is good position to do some damage in the MIAA this year.  Like Elmhurst, Hope has a difficult "statement" game next week at Alma.  EC hosts Augie and we will see if the Bluejays are for real.
Congrats on the big win and glad to see our ballclubs winning the big games!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2006, 09:35:46 am
bulldogalum:

Great to see you yesterday as always.  I agree with your assessment.  I talked with Hope's AD after the game and he said the same - it was on of the best "barnburners" for Div III he's seen and the day being what it's all about.  For the benefit of our other MIAA posters/readers who were not at the game, to be realistic, either team could have won the game.  As I said earlier in the week, unfortunately, Albion and Hope are not at the level that they have been in the past, but as you indicate, they are not bad teams either.

One aspect I liked about Albion was that the usual attitude problem was not as present yesterday as it has historically been in the past.  Also, they are a good team and their offensive plan still has the same ability to move the ball against Hope quickly in regards to the passing game and especially it seems for the last minutes of a game as they have done in the past four years - i.e. what I'm referring to is that they kill us every year with the " 'ole down and out, down and out".  You are right about Hope's secondary and in regards to that tendency, they just can't seem to cover those short passes - hence Albion's ability to easily move the ball and set themselves up for a potential game winning score.  And with a good QB as Wilson (who I was impressed with, particuarly for a guy who didn't get a lot of PT the last year or two), that is easier.  Certainly, these last minute drives by Albion have happened in the last 4 years at the least.

As we also discussed (and witnessed) yesterday, I was extremely disappointed (once again) with the poor officiating job by the MIAA crew assigned to the game.  With the exception of two of the officials, the others, including the head ref demonstrated IMO a complete lack of control, consistency and simply stated, just a poor performance.  As you saw, repeated instances of officials completely away from a play (and thus out-of-position) making a call, taking 5 minutes for a "conference" to make decisions on routine calls repeatedly, missing of blatant holding on offensive line by both teams.  Officiating football games is a tough job, however, there are a few basic aspects of conducting that in which this has been sorely lacking the past 3+ years IMO (which I and others have discussed here in the past).  That being said, and regardless, it's obvious that a team has to play over that kind of "stuff" and just execute fundamental football.

Anyway, as you say, both teams and the others still have a tough challenge for the title - we'll see who emerges in the next 1-2 weeks, although, again, I think it still might come down to the last week as usual.

Congrats to Adrian.  For a short time there, it seemed that Kazoo was going to pull the upset.  However, as you astutely penned, Adrian endured.  They will still be tough to play I'm sure.

The rest of the MIAA games yesterday were about as I thought they would go.  We travel to Alma next weekend, where it is always a tough place to play for Hope.  Again, their secondary better be ready for the aerial bombardment that typifies Alma.  Again, great to see you yesterday and keep in touch.   

Also, congrats to you other guys whose MIAA teams were winners yesterday; to those who lost, hang in there and best of luck next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2006, 09:39:58 am
Addendum:

I forgot to mention that I think the difference for Hope was that they played better basic fundamental football than they have the past 3 weeks i.e. mainly better tackling and "outside-in" containment (still could improve on both of those a bit though), much better offensive line blocking; and secondary played better but still a long way to go on that as you mentioned.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 01, 2006, 10:22:57 am
Yes, I concur entirely about the officiating.  There were MANY calls yesterday where I found myself shaking my head, on both sides of the ball.  The good news is this:  there were enough bad calls both ways that I don't think it really affected the outcome of the game.  Both teams played through those calls, and generally handled the disappointment in a very professional way.

I also forgot to talk about the tackling.  Hope certainly did a better job tackling this game.  Albion had guys in good position to make the play much of the time, and they frequently hit the Hope ballcarrier, but they sure didn't wrap up and finish the play.It might have been a different game if Albion had done a better job of wrapping up after hitting Hope runners.

Congrats to all MIAA winners, and best of luck in the conference season.  Beat Olivet!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 01, 2006, 10:48:53 am
We had the SAME problems in our game at Carthage!  >:( What's with this year's crop of officials?
I can't tell you how many inadvertent whistles, officials gathering as if they threw a flag and couldn't remember what they saw/wanted to call, having to reset the clocks.. it was awful.  I think both sides EC/Car would agree that the officials were horrible.
All you ask for from the officials is to let the players (kids) decide the outcome of the game and be fair.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 01, 2006, 11:44:07 am
All you ask for from the officials is to let the players (kids) decide the outcome of the game and be fair.

Absolutely.  Thankfully here, they were bad, but they were balanced.  Both sides had calls go for them and against them, so the players ultimately decided the game.  Hopefully the officiating improves, and the players continue to decide the outcome of the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 01, 2006, 03:36:56 pm
Who is the best QB in the MIAA?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 01, 2006, 09:07:04 pm
All you ask for from the officials is to let the players (kids) decide the outcome of the game and be fair.

Absolutely.  Thankfully here, they were bad, but they were balanced.  Both sides had calls go for them and against them, so the players ultimately decided the game.  Hopefully the officiating improves, and the players continue to decide the outcome of the game.

Be happy that Todd Geerlings officiates football on the DI level .
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 02, 2006, 08:57:40 pm
We could all write a book about officials. No way could you pay me enough to put those stripes on. Still they need to do a better job.

Who is the best QB in the MIAA?
Kinda early to tell - was hoping that Bodner(WLC) would make noise but he needs a line.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 02, 2006, 09:18:01 pm
What would a good title to the book on officials be?

Unfortunately, "Crime and Punishment" is already taken.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 02, 2006, 10:07:47 pm

Who is the best QB in the MIAA?
Kinda early to tell - was hoping that Bodner(WLC) would make noise but he needs a line.

No offense, but given WLC's current lean football times, even though he's a gamer, I figured it was best to leave his name off the poll.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 03, 2006, 11:20:24 am
Hi all,  I am afraid I am the bringer of terrible news.
Many of you know formerd3db (Todd) who frequently posts on this board and is a Hope Alum.
Todd and I are good friends.  He sent me an email today telling me that his Mother passed away yesterday, unexpectedly.  Please keep Todd and his family in your prayers.  He asks everybody to be thinking about him and his family as I am sure it has to be very difficult for them right now.
Times like this make football take a back seat in what matters most in life.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on October 03, 2006, 11:22:34 am
My prayers go out to formerd3 and his family.  May you feel God's presence in this time of sorrow. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on October 03, 2006, 11:29:57 am
Formerd3db,

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.  Sorry to hear of your loss.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 03, 2006, 12:42:28 pm
Hi all,  I am afraid I am the bringer of terrible news.
Many of you know formerd3db (Todd) who frequently posts on this board and is a Hope Alum.
Todd and I are good friends.  He sent me an email today telling me that his Mother passed away yesterday, unexpectedly.  Please keep Todd and his family in your prayers.  He asks everybody to be thinking about him and his family as I am sure it has to be very difficult for them right now.
Times like this make football take a back seat in what matters most in life.

My condolescence to former d3db. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 03, 2006, 03:33:46 pm
If any of each wish to send a condolence card and/or your thoughts to formerd3db, email me (use my comcast email) and I will get you Todd's mailing address.  I can only imagine how hard it must be for him and his family right now. :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 03, 2006, 05:28:40 pm
fd3db

My prayers are with you and your family. May the Good Lord keep you and yours safely wrapped in His arms.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2006, 10:23:22 pm
Thank you to all of my friends here on the MIAA board for your very kind comments and prayers.  They are appreciated more than you might know.  I will talk to you all later.  God Bless all of you and thanks again.
Best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 05:56:43 pm
Attempting to get Adrian's feed of the Adrian/Olivet game as I post:

Ah--success!! The broadcast just began.

(Would have started posting ealier, but I decided to take in WLC's home Northern Athletics Conference volleyball match against Benedictine of IL. The Warriors put forth a good effort, but still lost, 3 games to 1. The volleyball team has won several matches this season, though.)

Side note:  Once football joins NathCon in '08, it'll be like going from the frying pan into the fire. WLC trades off Albion, Alma and Adrian for Lakeland and Concordia WI. Six on one, half a dozen on the other.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 06:12:24 pm
Spencer just missed on a FG attempt:
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 06:21:56 pm
Olivet 7, Adrian 0. (Clasgens 1 yard run). 1st Qrtr.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 06:43:55 pm
Olivet 10, Adrian 0. 2nd Qrtr.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 07:06:05 pm
1:27 left in 2nd Qrtr:  Olivet 10, Adrian 7.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 09:03:43 pm
Final:  Olivet 13, Adrian 10.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Preto on October 08, 2006, 01:13:43 am
Is the 2005-2006 Comet speedster, Raynar Hamilton, an Olivet student this fall?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bilk on October 08, 2006, 01:33:13 am
I hope I'm not out of line......but would it be difficult for folks to delete their game update posts a few days after the game?  IMHO they make the board harder (not impossible) to sort through and read.  If no one else cares then please ignore me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 08, 2006, 02:27:27 pm
That is a great win for Olivet to defeat Adrian!  Congrats Comets. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 08, 2006, 06:37:52 pm
Congrats to the Hornets in picking up their  first win. And congrats to Chris Werme who tied an NCAA all division record by recording an interception in 9 consecutive games. Great stuff.

Beat Hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bushop on October 08, 2006, 09:48:06 pm
SEVEN players of the week?  Seems a bit silly.

Players of the Week
Offensive Co-Players of the Week: The offensive player of the week honor is shared by Alma junior wide receiver Joe Cline of Ithaca (Ithaca HS) and Hope junior tailback David Booko of Three Rivers (Three Rivers HS). Hope edged Alma 49-43 in overtime. Cline, who is being honored for the second time this season, caught a school-record 17 passes for three touchdowns and 186 yards, Booko tied a school record with six touchdowns, all after halftime, as he rushed for 207 yards on 41 carries. Booko is the offensive player of the week for the second time in his career. Other nominations: Jake Wilson, Albion.

Defensive Co-Players of the Week: The defensive player of the week honor is shared by three players -- Tri-State freshman linebacker Tab McNally of Williamston (Williamston HS), Adrian senior lineman Joel Howland of Adrian (Adrian HS) and Kalamazoo senior Chris Werme of Schoolcraft (Schoolcraft HS). McNally returned an intercepted pass 41 yards for a touchdown in the Tunder's 33-30 overtime loss to Kalamazoo. He was also credited with six tackles, including a sack and 1.5 for a loss. Howland was credited with six tackles, four of them solos and three for lost yardage, in the Bulldogs' 13-10 loss to Olivet. He also had a sack, a forced fumble and pass deflection. Werme tied an NCAA record (all divisions) when he intercepted a pass for a ninth consecutive game. After Tri-State took a 30-27 lead with 47 seconds left in the fourth quarter, Werme blocked the extra point attempt, keeping the Hornets just three points down heading into their final drive. He returned the ensuing kickoff 53 yards to the Tri-State 28, setting up the eventual 47-yard field goal to tie game and send it into overtime. His numbers also included a forced fumble, a fumble recovery he returned 54 yards, two punt returns for 12 yards and two kickoff returns for 66 yards. Other Nominations: Mike Culliver, Albion; Joe Cleveland, Olivet; Adam Korson, Alma; Matt Rugenstein, Hope.

Special Teams Co-Players of the Week: The special teams player of the week honors is shared by Tri-State junior Matt Eby of Warsaw, Ind. (Tippecanoe Valley HS) and Kalamazoo sophomore Jon Rea of Bloomfield Hills (Brother Rice HS). Kalamazoo edged Tri-State 33-30 in overtime. Eby averaged 40 yards over five kickoff returns, including a long of 65 yards. Playing linebacker on defense, he intercepted a pass and had 12 tackles. Rea was four-five on field goals, including one that forced the game into overtime and the game-winner in OT. His field goals measured 25, 30, 47 and 20 yards. He was also three-for-three on PATs. Other Nominations: Brian Hearns, Albion; Kyle Lindsay, Adrian; Kyle Zabel, Olivet; Josh Brehm, Alma; Troy Blasius, Hope.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hawk'ster on October 08, 2006, 09:51:33 pm
Is the 2005-2006 Comet speedster, Raynar Hamilton, an Olivet student this fall?

He's not on the 2006 Olivet football roster (http://www.olivetcollege.edu/sports/m_football_roster.htm).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 09, 2006, 02:13:16 am
SEVEN players of the week?  Seems a bit silly.

Players of the Week
Offensive Co-Players of the Week: The offensive player of the week honor is shared by Alma junior wide receiver Joe Cline of Ithaca (Ithaca HS) and Hope junior tailback David Booko of Three Rivers (Three Rivers HS). Hope edged Alma 49-43 in overtime. Cline, who is being honored for the second time this season, caught a school-record 17 passes for three touchdowns and 186 yards, Booko tied a school record with six touchdowns, all after halftime, as he rushed for 207 yards on 41 carries. Booko is the offensive player of the week for the second time in his career. Other nominations: Jake Wilson, Albion.

Defensive Co-Players of the Week: The defensive player of the week honor is shared by three players -- Tri-State freshman linebacker Tab McNally of Williamston (Williamston HS), Adrian senior lineman Joel Howland of Adrian (Adrian HS) and Kalamazoo senior Chris Werme of Schoolcraft (Schoolcraft HS). McNally returned an intercepted pass 41 yards for a touchdown in the Tunder's 33-30 overtime loss to Kalamazoo. He was also credited with six tackles, including a sack and 1.5 for a loss. Howland was credited with six tackles, four of them solos and three for lost yardage, in the Bulldogs' 13-10 loss to Olivet. He also had a sack, a forced fumble and pass deflection. Werme tied an NCAA record (all divisions) when he intercepted a pass for a ninth consecutive game. After Tri-State took a 30-27 lead with 47 seconds left in the fourth quarter, Werme blocked the extra point attempt, keeping the Hornets just three points down heading into their final drive. He returned the ensuing kickoff 53 yards to the Tri-State 28, setting up the eventual 47-yard field goal to tie game and send it into overtime. His numbers also included a forced fumble, a fumble recovery he returned 54 yards, two punt returns for 12 yards and two kickoff returns for 66 yards. Other Nominations: Mike Culliver, Albion; Joe Cleveland, Olivet; Adam Korson, Alma; Matt Rugenstein, Hope.

Special Teams Co-Players of the Week: The special teams player of the week honors is shared by Tri-State junior Matt Eby of Warsaw, Ind. (Tippecanoe Valley HS) and Kalamazoo sophomore Jon Rea of Bloomfield Hills (Brother Rice HS). Kalamazoo edged Tri-State 33-30 in overtime. Eby averaged 40 yards over five kickoff returns, including a long of 65 yards. Playing linebacker on defense, he intercepted a pass and had 12 tackles. Rea was four-five on field goals, including one that forced the game into overtime and the game-winner in OT. His field goals measured 25, 30, 47 and 20 yards. He was also three-for-three on PATs. Other Nominations: Brian Hearns, Albion; Kyle Lindsay, Adrian; Kyle Zabel, Olivet; Josh Brehm, Alma; Troy Blasius, Hope.

This poster's take is as follows:  A) With 3 of the 4 games decided by 7 points or less, it's a good bet that it was decided not to cite the most "dominant" (loosest sense of the word) player. B) It also helps spread the attention around more conference wide (that way players from Teams A & B aren't hogging the attention from normally "would-be" players from Teams X & Y regardless of entire overall team performance during a given game the week in question. 8) Sorry to get long-winded, but I hope I at least made some sense. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 09, 2006, 07:21:43 pm
I hope I'm not out of line......but would it be difficult for folks to delete their game update posts a few days after the game?  IMHO they make the board harder (not impossible) to sort through and read.  If no one else cares then please ignore me.

Bilk:

To be fair about this, I figured I'd try and set up a separate poll topic for this issue and let all the MIAA posters decide on this form vs. volume matter. (If things do change--it might not be for another week to 10 days. Even after the results are gathered, there may need to be a discussion with Pat.)

Fair enough?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 10, 2006, 10:21:26 am
Fair enough Alum83, but you do realize you can't please all the people all the time.  ;D
I like your updates and have no problem with you posting them where they are at. If you do end up posting updates in another column, guess we will have to open that page to find them.

 It is good to see co players of the week, this week, as there were many close games and lots of action. Too much action to let just one person have it all no matter if they are from the high profile school or not. Good job to all who voted.

Some good games shaping up in the MIAA this week. If I were to be in Michigan for the weekend I would be torn to go to Hope or Albion. Hope has some cool Alum, Albion is in a neat area for things to do other than football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2006, 05:43:25 pm
Well, here we are at the halfway point of the entire regular season.  Difficult to believe it has gone this fast already.  I do hope that the weather does not go downhill terribly in the upcoming weeks i.e. while colder weather is expected, I hope rain and snow are little if any.  Of course, this is not under anyone's control.

A few comments:  Hope's game Saturday against Alma was a great barnburner, although obviously a tremendous disappointment for Alma, particularly for their Homecoming and a very nice/large crowd on hand and perfect Homecoming weather.  Alma blowing such a huge lead I'm sure was terribly disappointing to the coaching staff, let alone the players.  I was impressed with Alma's QB and receivers, their offensive line (and overall team size of individual players) are bigger than in recent years.  The same problem persists, however, and that is their offense - when the passing game goes "downhill", no other offense to rely on.

Secondly, what a great comeback by Hope.  The entire team and coaching staff did not ever give up.  Aside from a second consecutive week comeback, this had to be one of the greatest comebacks I've witnessed  ever or at least in a very long time.  I did not hear one negative comment or attitude among the players when things looked extremly bad for Hope.  And while it could easily have turned out on the other ending for Hope as it did for Alma, no one ever gave up.  Coach Kreps and his entire staff are to be complimented on calling a great game, especially in the tense 4th quarter and keeping calm under difficult situations - as much as the players efforts won the game, the coaching staff had a huge contribution on that as well IMO.  I was truly impressed on an overall great team effort for the Dutchmen.

The road to the title will still be a tough one.  While Hope has a very good chance, we cannot let down against an improving Kazoo team this weekend, even thought it is Homecoming at our place.  I will refrain from further comment on future games, because we all know that it is best to "take it one day, one game at a time".  Congrats to all winning MIAA teams last weekend and best of luck this upcoming one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 10, 2006, 06:49:05 pm
3DB

Nice review of the Alma Hope sounds like another great game for Hope.
As a Albion fan I must say I was hoping Alma would hold on, really surprised after I saw the score. I was at Albion game and the announcer had posted scores around the League and Hope was down big last we heard.
Great comback nice to see a team never give up, would have been easy to let up as it was on the road.

Hope is in the drivers seat right now for the title, need to stay focused every week counts.
Keep utilizing the strong running game, keeps other teams off the field, and burns time.

Alma needs to stay upbeat, and not pull a MSU and tank after a tough loss.

All I can hope is Albion finishes undefeated and Hope does not.
Alot of season left and every game writes another story, so we will see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2006, 12:19:56 am
D306:

Thanks.  Indeed, I agree with you - the league title could still come down to the last week as it has seemed to do in recent years.  Also, glad to have you on the board to join the rest of us MIAA'ers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 11, 2006, 04:47:22 pm
formerd3db,

Nice summary of the Alma/Hope game.  I agree with everything you said.  As an Alma alum, it was tough to watch Alma's lead evaporate, but I have never seen such a comeback before...stellar effort and composure on the part of Hope. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2006, 07:27:56 pm
miaafbfan:
Thank you for your kind comments.  Certainly that is tough for any team to lose a game like that.  I know Hope would have been just as disappointed as Alma had they lost the game.  But, unfortunately, it goes that way sometimes.  Still, as I said, alot can happen yet.  Should be an exciting league finish.  Keep us posted on your assessment of Alma's future performances in the upcoming game.  BTW, hope you had a nice time at Alma's Homecoming despite the game loss.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2006, 05:39:15 pm
You MIAA fans/posters have been kind of quiet around here?  What gives? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 14, 2006, 03:08:26 pm
Wow!  Olivet up 20-10 against Albion. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: M and L on October 14, 2006, 03:11:19 pm
Best QB, eh, not guys stats really jump stand out from the rest
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on October 14, 2006, 09:59:30 pm
Congrats to Hope.  You are looking pretty tuff in your conference now.  I hope you can continue the winning ways.  GO DUTCH.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 16, 2006, 08:48:07 am
fd3db
To answer your question as to why no one is posting, may I offer this as an excuse? Deer hunting, fall turkey season, grouse and pheasants, and the white bass, walleyes, and great lakes fish are getting the fall bite on. Now that is my excuse so I cannot speak for everyone but I am a busy guy. Also HS football is getting to playoff time and that adds another dimension to my packed schedule. Do you know what the end of HS football brings? Wrestling!!

What a great bunch of games this past weekend. Great job by Olivet to pull the, should I say, upset? Hope just keeps on rolling, keep it going boys. Albion and Adrian need a win the get back in the race. Kalamazoo is putting out a great effort and TSU and WLC will fight it out for...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 17, 2006, 12:10:00 am
Wlcalum-- don't forget the Packers!  I am a Bear's fan, but I know the entire state of WI shuts down on Sundays, when most people like to post about the previous Saturday games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 17, 2006, 12:37:17 pm
jaybird
I too am a Bears fan as I was raised in IL. Die hard Cubs fan also. Yes I am a sad state. Was a heart attack night last night for me living in a house full of Packer Fans. They were just begging for the bears to get beat. Took a lot of "you know what" the first half. The Pack was off last weekend as they were defeated by BYE  ;D.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 17, 2006, 12:56:05 pm
My short take on the MIAA race

Olivet and Hope are in good shape especially Hope.
With wins over Alma and Albion Hope is in the drivers seat, Olivet is in great shape for a split title and tie in the league.
Olivet has some tough games left while Hope has played most of the tougher teams. The Olivet vs Hope game in huge. Forget whose house it is at.
The story was Hope did not travel well, I think that was put to bed with the big win in Alma.
Olivet already showed they travel well with the homecoming win in Albion.
The Dline for Olivet was the key to the game, tough defense and pressure allowing no time to throw stimied Albion offense.
The Olivet Offense is effective but not powerful, Albion contained well, the 2 blocked punts resulting in TD and points really was the key to the game.
Albion defense played well, except for missed assignment on the long sideline pass, or did he slip I did not see the CB until it was too late.

Big games still to come, but the trend is set need some upsets to make it more than a 2 team race.

At the seasons start I predicted Albion, I am hoping for some kind of big break but I believe Hope will win the league, as Hope has more Offense than Olivet, I think someone will catch Olivet and beat them.

Glad to OC step up, makes to Conference that much tougher hope to see the conference get back to more powerful out of conference league, get playoff win on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 17, 2006, 02:41:04 pm
WLCAlum-- We are quite similar!  I am a die hard Bears/Cubs/Blackhawks fan, so you see I haven't had a lot to cheer for in suburban Chicago.  I am guilty of turning off the tv too soon!  and missing the most exciting part of the game!  >:(  I woke up this morning and read about the great news in the Tribune.
When Elmhurst played Olivet earlier in the year, I knew the Comets had a pretty good nucleus of talent.  Frankly, I think if Olivet doesn't have the 3 big turnovers early,  I think the Comets may have beat EC.  I think D306 is right that Olivet and Hope (moreso Hope)  are in good positions right now.  Glad to see some of the "others" in the MIAA climbing up the ranks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 17, 2006, 03:42:07 pm
I really think that Hope is the most dominate in the MIAA.  I know their record doesn't show it, but look who their nonconference games are against.  Still Olivet could suprise me due to what they have shown thus far.  Should be interesting to see who wins this year. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 17, 2006, 04:31:09 pm
wlcalum:
You are probably right that many of our colleagues have "a lot of other things on their plates" right now, myself included with regards to not being as active in posting.  On the other hand, some of the other boards have much more activity and perhaps they are just forgoeing other activities - who knows? ???  Anyway, I'm sorry your team is having a stellar season this year, however, much can be said for them not giving up.  Every team goes through some tough periods.  But as a fan, you know it's "support your team, do or die" and I know you are doing that.  Good luck to them, except against us (Hope!) of course!!!

D3o6 and jaybird:
I think you both have good assesments about the MIAA currently.  I would just add that although perhaps we(Hope) have the edge, no team especially Olivet can be taken lightly.  We also have to remember that Hope has to get by Adrian first.  Playing one game at a time and not looking ahead is always the key as you/we all know.  A loss to Adrian this weekend throws this back in a "tizzy".  HOPEfully, we'll win though!

Talk to you guys later.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 17, 2006, 10:17:12 pm
It'll be interesting to see how the Bulldogs fare up in Holland this weekend.  In recent years, they have really struggled against Hope, especially on the road.  I'm hoping that they will come out with a solid game plan, and execute it with precision.  From my one viewing of Hope this year, my impression was that they were/are a very good team, but a team that is beatable. 

If Adrian is to have any success against the Dutch, they'll have to attack Hope's secondary, which I believe to be the the weakest part of their team on either side of the ball, and they'll have to make Hope one dimensional on offense.  This will probably mean stopping the run, but that will be a difficult task.  Nevertheless, if Adrian allows Hope to run and pass at will, Hope will simply not make enough mistakes to lose.

If the Bulldogs are to have a chance at a league title, this is a game they absolutely must win.  This is going to be a tough league to win this year, and Hope and Olivet certainly have the advantage.  I have a sneaking suspicion that one of those two teams will go through the league unbeaten, but then again, I could be wrong... ;)

Best of luck to everyone this weekend.  Here's to good weather, close games, a Michigan victory over Iowa, and a Detroit Tigers victory over the yet-to-be-determined National League Champs!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 17, 2006, 11:02:54 pm
formerd3db-- how are you doing?  I agree.  I remember we talked right after the EC/Olivet game and I mentioned that Olivet has some really good players.  OlivetSID (Geoff) and I also talked about Olivet and if (at the that time)  they could put their show together for 4 quarters, they will be very good.  Coach Livedoti is doing a remarkable job with the Comet program.  I would love to see that Olivet/Hope game coming up.
Before I forget seeing as this is the MIAA-- How about those Tigers? ;D
The entire state has to be pretty excited.  (ok, that's all the pro anything I will ever talk about)
I haven't seen Hope, but formerd3db I know you have described the team to me,  and it sounds like the Dutch have a real strong squad this year.
BTW, how did the Alumni LaCrosse game go?  Were you nervous and get the pregame adrenaline rushes?  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 18, 2006, 03:25:49 am
It would be nice to see Olivet take the conference, seeing as they haven't done it before. The Comets will have to watch out though if Clasgens were to go down for any length of time.

(We'll see how quickly Tri-State's ideas of an upset get quashed. I was tempted to pick the Thunder again, but after what Alma did to that team earlier- I figured even I can only eat so much crow in a season. Tri-State will win at least one yet this year.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 18, 2006, 10:17:30 am
I think the Adrian/Hope game will be very interesting.  Adrian has been a dissapointment thus far this season.  But I could see them being a spoiler.  Hope has a very potent rushing attack, however Adrian has the # 2 rush defense in the MIAA.  And against the pass Adrian is tied for first in sacks.  I look forward to following this game.  BTW, I see Adrian has another DL that is player of the week.  That is two weeks in a row.  Is their defensive line really that good?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 18, 2006, 10:46:48 am
BTW, I see Adrian has another DL that is player of the week.  That is two weeks in a row.  Is their defensive line really that good?

Hard to tell against Tri State, but the Bulldog D line has done a nice job pressuring the QB and stopping the run thus far.  We'll find out a lot about how good they are on saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 18, 2006, 10:49:25 am
"It would be nice to see Olivet take the conference, seeing as they haven't done it before"  Before??  I think you mean recently b/c Olivet has won the MIAA many times.  They are also 1 of the 2 original members of the MIAA
Olivet MIAA Champs in 1895, 1901, 1906, 1907, 1909, 1911, 1913-14, 1974, and I believe 1974 is the last MIAA Championship.
I agree that seeing both Hope and Olivet in the NCAA Playoffs would be great.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 18, 2006, 02:32:28 pm
Since we are getting close to the end of the season, with upsets apleanty, we could have five teams tied with 4-3 records!!

OK, I know I have too much time on my hands and some of the upsets will not happen, but...

Looks to be a weather wise nice weekend for football. Little cool maybe some light rain/snow but nothing too bad.
Adrian@Hope is the game to watch. Albion@Alma who wants the top, who wants the middle? Olivet@TSU is Olivet for real and keep TSU on the bottom? WLC@Kzoo would love to be wrong and see WLC pick it up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 18, 2006, 04:53:15 pm
"It would be nice to see Olivet take the conference, seeing as they haven't done it before"  Before??  I think you mean recently b/c Olivet has won the MIAA many times.  They are also 1 of the 2 original members of the MIAA
Olivet MIAA Champs in 1895, 1901, 1906, 1907, 1909, 1911, 1913-14, 1974, and I believe 1974 is the last MIAA Championship.
I agree that seeing both Hope and Olivet in the NCAA Playoffs would be great.

I stand corrected. (I took in Olivet's feed of the last game, and may have misheard something). -X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 18, 2006, 05:40:45 pm
Wlcalum-- hehe,  many do rule out Olivet because they have fallen off the map in past years.  Dominic Livedoti though is revitalizing a program and has the Comets "shooting"  :P recently across the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 18, 2006, 05:44:40 pm
I think it is great that Olivet is on the move. Hope is in the news and TSU is on the rise. All good things for the MIAA. Post season wins will do much to garner more respect across the nation and I can see that happening if not this year in a couple years for sure.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 18, 2006, 08:29:06 pm
Congratulations to Matt Spangler and Adrian College for being named to the national team of the week!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 19, 2006, 09:27:24 am
Is the MIAA planning on adding and/or looking to add a school after WI Lutheran leaves or wil the MIAA stick with the current schools?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 19, 2006, 11:10:39 am
From what I have heard having Tri State keeps the MIAA with the AQ so they really do not have to add another team.
My opinion is they need to add a tough team to keep the competion level up. Now don't read into my words and say WLC is a tough team or TSU is a bad team. I think both will be very good teams within the next five years. TSU has made great improvements in the past couple of years and WLC will/should get better with local press and a winning record, both of which they should get in the new conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 19, 2006, 11:24:28 am
I would have loved to see Defiance still in the MIAA.  Their defense can keep them competitive with a lot of teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 19, 2006, 01:16:33 pm
"'My opinion is they need to add a tough team to keep the competition level up"   ??? :o
Ah,  Albion won the Nat'l Championship in 1994,  Alma is a playoff conditioned team, Adrian is very competitive, Hope has had playoff successes, I don't think anybody has ever said the MIAA is not a competitive conference.  In other words, the existing tenured schools of the MIAA are very good.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 19, 2006, 01:43:28 pm
The key words in my post are "keep the competion level up". Nothing was meant to dis the current teams as they are of excellent caliber. If the MIAA were to add another team I would hope they find an existing team the same level or tougher than the current MIAA teams. The MIAA is a very tough conference and I do not see that changing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 19, 2006, 04:33:05 pm
wlcalum:

Were you able to connect with Seiler and Hahm at Homecoming? (As long as I'm on the subject, how did the Band of Warriors sound that day?)

Know any good crow vendors near Wauwatosa? (ba dumm bumm?) ;) :) :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 19, 2006, 04:56:50 pm
Defiance had a whole two years in the MIAA going 1-5 the first 3-3 in the second, then were not brought back for a third.  I thought it was a good fit for the conference based on its location, but the HCAC has been a good fit too.  I liked the smash mouth football that the MIAA brought excluding Alma w/ their air attack.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2006, 09:17:52 pm
"'My opinion is they need to add a tough team to keep the competition level up"   ??? :o
Ah,  Albion won the Nat'l Championship in 1994,  Alma is a playoff conditioned team, Adrian is very competitive, Hope has had playoff successes, I don't think anybody has ever said the MIAA is not a competitive conference.  In other words, the existing tenured schools of the MIAA are very good.

Those are all nice things and yes, 12 seasons ago Albion did win the national title. But the MIAA has not won a single playoff game since. It's misleading to say the teams are very good. The facts do not reflect this.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 20, 2006, 12:15:42 am
Good point Pat. 
That's along the lines of "what have you done for me lately"  historically yes they have been strong, but lately no "in the clutch" wins in the NCAA's and Pat's point is right on.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2006, 12:17:29 am
How far back in history are we going?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 20, 2006, 05:21:47 am
"It would be nice to see Olivet take the conference, seeing as they haven't done it before"  Before??  I think you mean recently b/c Olivet has won the MIAA many times.  They are also 1 of the 2 original members of the MIAA
Olivet MIAA Champs in 1895, 1901, 1906, 1907, 1909, 1911, 1913-14, 1974, and I believe 1974 is the last MIAA Championship.
I agree that seeing both Hope and Olivet in the NCAA Playoffs would be great.

I stand corrected. (I took in Olivet's feed of the last game, and may have misheard something). -X

Pat:

79jaybird's intent appears to be to look back at the entire history of the MIAA.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 20, 2006, 09:02:39 am
WLCALUM83
I think the best crow is served on the corner of Bluemound and HWY 100. What is the name of the burrito place Quboda(sp)? Just joking, they serve the best I have found in Milwaukee. Hot, fast, and not bad prices. Take the coupon they give you at the football games and you can feed cheep. The more important question is what are you doing posting at 4:30AM!? Just getting in... or going to work?  ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on October 20, 2006, 09:19:53 am
I love Qudoba (sp?).  Your fans are lucky if there are coupons they give out at the game.

Wheaton used to have a promotion at basketball games (they may still have it for all I know)  that if Wheaton won you called a certain Dominos and say "Wheaton won" you could get a 2 topping pizza for 5 bucks.  Some of my friends who previously hated sports suddenly became superfans because of that promotion. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 20, 2006, 10:16:08 am
It has been a couple years ago but got free pizza coupons at a Rockford football game, also hooked up some coupons to a restaurant in the tower clock mall... Never got any coupons at any Michigan games!! :P :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 20, 2006, 10:23:26 am
You're right, no coupons for Michigan football games.  However, if you went to basketball or ice hockey games, there were coupons available.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 20, 2006, 10:39:01 am
WLCALUM83
I think the best crow is served on the corner of Bluemound and HWY 100. What is the name of the burrito place Quboda(sp)? Just joking, they serve the best I have found in Milwaukee. Hot, fast, and not bad prices. Take the coupon they give you at the football games and you can feed cheep. The more important question is what are you doing posting at 4:30AM!? Just getting in... or going to work?  ;)



I just have trouble going back to sleep--so I do the next best thing--post!! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 20, 2006, 11:04:06 am
In today's world, the majority of folk doesn't care about what you did in 1900, if you won Nat'l Championships in the 80's, or if you had a success before there was color TV.
My point was just that Olivet is not having success in the 1990's-2000's but at one time they were.
Pat's point is that the MIAA hasn't won a playoff game since Albion's title.  Case in point, 2006 is a different year and anything can happen.  Perhaps this year, the MIAA will get that playoff monkey off their back and we will see one of the MIAA teams making it to the 2nd/3rd rounds of the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 20, 2006, 11:26:13 am
I apologize. :-[ :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 20, 2006, 11:46:51 am
I think we have all made good points in our posts and we all basically agree that we would like to see the MIAA improve. We can pick apart our posts and find different points to agrue but that will get us no where.
My main concern right now is why we don't get free food coupons in Michigan for football games!! :D (sorry - slow day at work)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 12:20:44 pm
Olivet  vs.  Tri-State   coming up shortly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 12:43:48 pm
Tri-State 7, Olivet 0. 10:25 left 1st Qrtr. (Olivet fumble recovered, returned for TD).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 12:53:57 pm
Tri-State 14, Olivet 0. (Not a mis-print-folks). Thunder scored on a running play. (Still early yet.) 5:00 left in 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2006, 01:03:53 pm
How great would it be if there were gametrax during games?  WLCalum-you are doing a great job, thanks for the updates. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 01:06:09 pm
Tri-State 14, Olivet 0, end of 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 01:07:27 pm
14:49 left in 2nd, Tri-State 21, Olivet 0. (long bomb for TD).
 Olivet's #2 QB is in there now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 01:20:38 pm
Tri-State 21, Olivet 7  (Comets got long punt return for TD). 8:30 left in 2nd Qrtr.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 01:40:39 pm
Tri-State 21, Olivet 7--half (Garvin, one of TSU's top defensive players seriously injured during 1st half).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 02:30:32 pm
End of 3rd: Tri-State 21, Olivet 7.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 02:48:08 pm
Midway thru the 4th, Tri-State just blew another scoring opportunity. (a turnover).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:03:49 pm
Tri-State wins!
Tri-State wins!
    Tri-State wins! 21-7.

      --Thunder D pitched a shutout.
      --Thunder D also tipped several passes that led to Olivet turnovers.
      --Olivet's  QB's had  a bit of an off-day throwing the ball.
      --TSU's turnovers were for the most part, harmless.
       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2006, 03:06:13 pm
Wow!  Congrats to Tri-State. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:18:11 pm
Switched to Hope vs. Adrian. Hope's up 21-10 early in the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:22:34 pm
Approx. 10 1/2 minutes left in 4th. Hope 21, Adrian 13. (Spencer 24 yd FG).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:30:16 pm
Hope missed a FGA  6:30 left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2006, 03:31:45 pm
Still going to be tough for Adrain.  Have to get the 2pt conversion too if they score. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:36:07 pm
Adrian couldn't move the ball. Hope got a long punt return, just scored again. It's 28-13 Dutchmen now. 4:28 left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:45:08 pm
Evans just scored for Adrian. Hope 28, Adrian 20. 2:09 left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:48:20 pm
Per Hope announcers:  Kalamazoo 31, WLC 19. Final :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:52:43 pm
Hope 28, Adrian 20. Final.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 21, 2006, 08:07:45 pm
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today.  I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team.  Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores).  Booko is an amazing back.  He runs tough!  The Bulldog defense is very tough.  They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half.  Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special.  Congratualtions to Hope!  Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 08:24:24 pm
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today.  I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team.  Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores).  Booko is an amazing back.  He runs tough!  The Bulldog defense is very tough.  They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half.  Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special.  Congratualtions to Hope!  Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!

Hold off at least a week before sending the gift. Hope plays at Tri-State next week. If the Flying Dutchmen come in there flat and TSU is on top of its' game things could be interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 21, 2006, 11:00:24 pm
You know, if I could continue to vote on the QB poll, I would.  Today was the first time I got to see Brehm from Alma, and there is simply not a better QB in the league.  Not only is he a fine passer, but he is an excellent runner, and even had a couple successful pooch punts today.  He IS the Alma offense. 

Shame to see the Bulldogs lose up in Holland today, but that's the closest game in recent memory for Adrian at Hope, so that's a good sign.  Looks like a league title is a stretch now, but hopefully they can finish strong.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 22, 2006, 12:16:38 pm
After TSU's knocking off of Olivet, anyone want to chime in on what was the most memorable MIAA football upset they heard of or saw? Mine is WLC beating Adrian at home in '04. Adrian broke out to a 17-0 halftime lead-only to see the Warriors come back and beat them 20-17 on a last second Ryan Eilbrecht field goal that barely cleared the crossbar. (I took that in on the radio). ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 22, 2006, 12:53:04 pm
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today.  I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team.  Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores).  Booko is an amazing back.  He runs tough!  The Bulldog defense is very tough.  They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half.  Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special.  Congratualtions to Hope!  Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!

Hold off at least a week before sending the gift. Hope plays at Tri-State next week. If the Flying Dutchmen come in there flat and TSU is on top of its' game things could be interesting.


I was just saying that Hope owes a lot to TSU for knocking off Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 22, 2006, 01:25:19 pm
Gotcha. Didn't mean to misunderstand you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 22, 2006, 08:10:10 pm
Any Tri-State fans who attended the Olivet game want to chime in as to how much of a post-game celebration there was (if any?).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 22, 2006, 08:33:08 pm
That has got to be the biggest win Tri State has had in football since joining the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 23, 2006, 01:14:39 am
That has got to be the biggest win Tri State has had in football since joining the MIAA.

2004 TSU won 2 MIAA games vs WLC and Kzoo, WLC was 2-5, 2-8 and Kzoo was 0-7, 1-9.  TSU was 2-8 that year

2005 TSU was 0-7 in the MIAA. 0-10 overall

I think its a good observation to say this was TSU's biggest MIAA win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 23, 2006, 06:12:02 am
I recall TSU's 2004 win over WLC. TSU scored a TD late in the game to pull it out at Angola. It turned out to be a blessing in disguise long-term for the Warriors. That was the first time Matt Kehl had a better-than-average game--particularly rushing. (First Warrior game I took in via radio broadcast). :) ;) :D 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 23, 2006, 11:53:56 am
Congrats to TSU. Shows these boys never give up or take anyone for granted. Play one week to the next and good things will happen. Keep getting the W's, except against WLC.  :)

Have to agree that this is TSU's biggest win in the MIAA. I was in Angola for their win against WLC - was that a long drive home!! There were some interesting D calls in those last few minutes?! I did talk with a couple of TSU parents after that game and they were gearing up for a celebration. Can only imagine what type of after game celebration they held for their boys after the huge Olivet upset.

Biggest upset in recent MIAA history could be the WLC win over Adrian. From where I was sitting in the stands it was really hard to see if it went through. The refs even had a hard time seeing if it made it over the bar.  ;D Heart attack game for WLC fans for sure.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 23, 2006, 12:18:33 pm
Ugh, do we really have to dredge up those painful memories on a week where Adrian must travel to WLC??? :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 23, 2006, 12:33:17 pm
To answer you bulldogalum...yes, yes we do!! ;D ;) Give us something to look forward to.  :) If you do not like this answer check out my picks for the weekend.  :o :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 23, 2006, 01:08:38 pm
wlcalum:  I certainly hope your pick is right, but it seems like we always struggle when we make that road trip. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 23, 2006, 02:06:49 pm
I think the Adrian - WLC game will be a good one.  Adrian may be a bit in the dumps now and WLC always plays AC pretty tough.  Adrian definitely should not look over WLC, I believe they see Adrian as being a very beatable team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 23, 2006, 03:09:43 pm
Adrian really needs this win to even "Hope" to stay in the hunt. I do not think they will overlook WLC. True Adrian does struggle a bit in Milwaukee but I do not see this game as being a close one. Adrian is not giving up very many points and WLC is not scoring very many points.

Would like to see WLC's running game go into a higher gear and the passsing game get into a good groove. The oline is really hurting after graduating Evans and Schaefer. The dline only lost Seiler to graduation but I guess that was a lot.
I think the main reason WLC is so down this year is they changed their helmet design. I liked the old green and logo design over the new white and lettering. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Hope92 on October 23, 2006, 07:58:03 pm
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today.  I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team.  Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores).  Booko is an amazing back.  He runs tough!  The Bulldog defense is very tough.  They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half.  Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special.  Congratualtions to Hope!  Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!

I must respectfully disagree with your opinion that "Adrian had the better team".  Adrian did make some mistakes that cost them. However Hope also made several mistakes (4 interseptions and costly penelties) that Adrian could have capitalized on.  Adrian did not, may be because the Hope defense is too good. 

Aslo Adrian was suppose to have the best run defense in the conference, yet the the Hope Oline and David Booko racked up 170 yards on the gound. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 23, 2006, 10:27:57 pm
Aslo Adrian was suppose to have the best run defense in the conference, yet the the Hope Oline and David Booko racked up 170 yards on the gound. 

Booko's rushing yardage is not necessarily an indictment of the Adrian rush defense.  Having seen Booko play earlier this year, I'm convinced there is no better tailback in the league, and probably few better in the Midwest.  He runs hard, is elusive, finds holes and attacks them, and never quits.  Even a great defense could struggle against a back like that. 

That defense of the Adrian, well...Defense, is not to say I wholeheartedly agree with ACRULZ.  Having seen both teams play this year, but having missed the game on Saturday, I can't really say that either team is much better than the other.  That, by the way, is true of what I've seen from Albion and Alma as well.  I haven't seen Olivet, but they have two high quality wins and one very disappointing loss, so I don't know what to make of them.  At any rate, it looks like there are 5 very even teams in the league this year, and so far, Hope is winding up on the right end of the close games, and Albion and Adrian are not.  Some of that is luck, some of it is skill, and some of it is coaching, but it's clear that there are many dogfights remaining this football season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 24, 2006, 03:17:41 pm
Heard one of Tri-State's better defensive players (Adam Garvin) won't be able to play against Hope due to injury.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on October 25, 2006, 09:22:45 am
Congrats to the Dutchmen on righting the ship.  After a rocky start you guys have done a great job in conference.  Good Luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 25, 2006, 02:16:03 pm
Yes, the Dutch are definitely on a role.  For that I give them credit.  If the Dutch do win the MIAA and reach the playoffs, hopefully Manning will not have the poor showing he had against Adrian.  Against a good, playoff football team four interceptions will be sealing their own fate.  During this off season I hope Adrian concentrates on recruiting a QB and some O-linemen which are the two most glaring weaknesses Adrian had this season.  Denryter is not very good under pressure and the Adrian O-Line is porous at best.

Speaking of quarterbacks, from what I hear Brehm may be the best QB in D III.  Any opinions on that?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 25, 2006, 02:20:43 pm
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today.  I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team.  Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores).  Booko is an amazing back.  He runs tough!  The Bulldog defense is very tough.  They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half.  Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special.  Congratualtions to Hope!  Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!

I must respectfully disagree with your opinion that "Adrian had the better team".  Adrian did make some mistakes that cost them. However Hope also made several mistakes (4 interseptions and costly penelties) that Adrian could have capitalized on.  Adrian did not, may be because the Hope defense is too good. 

Aslo Adrian was suppose to have the best run defense in the conference, yet the the Hope Oline and David Booko racked up 170 yards on the gound. 

Hope defense is very good.  Rugenstein is a hell of a player.  Not only did he pressure the Adrian Offense all day last week.  He made several plays in coverage.  However, I think the most underrated player on Hope's defense is Zach Huizing, that kid can flat out play.  He has my vote for Defensive MVP of the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 25, 2006, 03:28:40 pm
Speaking of quarterbacks, from what I hear Brehm may be the best QB in D III.  Any opinions on that?

Well, if I had to name the best DIII QB I've seen, it's Brehm.  He has an excellent arm, knows their offensive scheme well, and is always a threat to run.  More than anything, he always appears to be firmly in control of the action on the field.  If you get a chance to see him this year, I'd do it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 27, 2006, 04:04:42 pm
Cool, possible rain, and lots of wind in Milwaukee for Saturday. Forecasts of gusts up to 30mph expected. Don't expect a lot of passing yards. Gut it out on the ground boys.

Brehm is my pick for QB - very good arm and brain to match.
Booko is a great RB but I still like the kid from WLC.
Rugenstein is my DMVP with a name like that you gotta be tough! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 27, 2006, 06:14:05 pm
Lots of wind in the forecast for Michigan as well tomorrow.  Earlier this week I picked Alma over Olivet.  Now I am beginning to wonder if Alma's air attack will suffer too much to overcome Olivet.  Even with the best QB around, the Scots are going to have their work cut out for them battling the weather and the Comets.  Good luck to all teams on a wet and windy day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 27, 2006, 08:54:26 pm
Wonder if TSU head coach Matt Land got the Gatorade soaking last weekend? (Just couldn't pass that one up.) ;D :D ;) :) 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 12:08:42 pm
Could be lower-than-usual scoring today, depending on when the strong winds move in. Could depend on who gets the early breaks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 12:35:27 pm
Hope  vs.    Tri-State  on deck:
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 01:06:18 pm
Well, well, wouldn't ya know--Hope just got an INT and returned it for a TD. 7-0, Flying Dutchmen  13 minutes left in 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 01:28:15 pm
Hope scored on a 1-yd TD run-Flying Dutchmen 14, Thunder 0. End of 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 01:40:13 pm
Olivet 14, Alma 0 early 2nd quarter
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 01:45:42 pm
Olivet 14, Alma 7  8:58 2nd
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 01:54:49 pm
Olivet 21, Alma 7  5:18 2nd quarter
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 02:00:32 pm
Olivet 21, Alma 14  3:02 2nd
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 02:06:20 pm
Hope 14, TSU 0. Half (Hope's D is making a big-time statement thus far.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 02:17:22 pm
Olivet 21, Alma 17 at the half
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 02:19:27 pm
Per Hope announcers:

Adrian 20, WLC 12. Half. (C'mon, Warriors, keep this close.)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 02:51:37 pm
Hope 21, TSU 0. (Dutchmen recover a TSU muffed pitch in the end zone). End of 3rd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 03:02:50 pm
Alma 24, Olivet 21  1:58 3rd
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 03:11:14 pm
Olivet 28, Alma 24  early in the 4th
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 03:15:31 pm
Hope 21, TSU 7, midway through the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 03:23:23 pm
Olivet 28, Alma 24  8 minutes to go (Olivet missed FG)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 03:32:10 pm
Hope 21, TSU 7, Final. (2 Dutchmen defensive TD's the difference.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 03:42:46 pm
Olivet 28, Alma 24  Final  (Alma "Hail Mary" fails)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2006, 08:41:37 pm
Indeed, the wind primarily (also cold weather and in some cases, wet turf) had a hand in some of the games today.  Just back while from the game down in Angola today.  A good win for Hope, although thanks to the defense.  Hope's offense will need to step up a notch for next weekend at Olivet.  Tri-State is not as bad of a team as some may think.  They did a good job in staying the course and making the game close.  Strong winds played havoc with the passing and kick games for both teams; TSU receivers made some outstanding catches in the wind.  Their lineman overall size is smaller in past years, but as a team, they look promising in regards to improvement for next year and beyond.  As far as Hope, they are playing well, have great determination and great coaching all of which won the game today, defense stepping up.  Yet if we make the playoffs, offense will need to continue to improve and score when the opportunities present.

TSU facilities are probably the worst in the league right now, however, we heard there today that a new domed stadium and synthetic turf will be in place for next season.  That would be a welcome improvement.

The Olivet/Alma game was a surprise.  Olivet despite losing last week, appears to be a "jeckle and hyde" team, but still good.  Appears Alma succumbs to its usual passing demise with bad weather.  Hope still will need to be sharp next weekend and especially since it is at Olivet.

Anyone for details of the other games today?  Hope all of you stayed warm today.  I fear the good weather is gone for the season. ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 29, 2006, 09:42:42 am
Who will win the Hope-Olivet showdown?  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 29, 2006, 09:49:45 am
In a way, it's a shame for Alma, given how great the Scots' offense is when Brehm is on his game. At this point, IMHO, I expected Alma and Adrian to put up more of a challenge. Olivet and Tri-State are my 2 "surprise teams" thus far. :) ;) :D :) ;) :D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 29, 2006, 05:10:46 pm
The Adrian score was 20 - 0 at the half, not 20 - 12.  The final score was 33-13, the last TD was scored on Adrian's 2 defense in which WLC called a timeout with about :30 left...with their 1 O still in.  I will say, Kehl is a great back, better than Booko I believe.  Looks like Coach Cole was right when he declared Hope MIAA champions several weeks ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 29, 2006, 05:16:38 pm
I think the Kzoo/Alma game will be very interesting.  Kzoo has a pretty decent offense that goes against a suspect defense this week.  I think Kzoo will pull off the upset over Alma.  Also I like Hope over Olivet, even at Olivet.  Hope is in contol of their own destiny and I think their destiny is to be league champs and go to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 29, 2006, 05:29:14 pm
Olivet as a surprise team is exciting to me as I have followed this revolving door that has been their previous four head coahces, leaving and returning as well being assistant under one another.

The success under the one back or spread guy this time might be proving one of my hyptohesis about the wing t informing both run and shoot as well as spread, or in other words all oneback teams.

best regards,
the slotbone
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 29, 2006, 08:32:25 pm
The Adrian score was 20 - 0 at the half, not 20 - 12.  The final score was 33-13, the last TD was scored on Adrian's 2 defense in which WLC called a timeout with about :30 left...with their 1 O still in.  I will say, Kehl is a great back, better than Booko I believe.  Looks like Coach Cole was right when he declared Hope MIAA champions several weeks ago.

I stand corrected on the score. Thanks for the positive props on Matt Kehl. Even though it's been a lean football year for WLC, regardless of what happens the rest of this season, one of the things he'll be remembered for is his major contributions to a few Warrior wins over the last couple of years. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2006, 09:42:12 pm
ACRULZ:
Nothing against or to be taken away from Kehl as I'm sure he is a great player and student-athlete.  However, I would say that most people would disagree with you in your comments that he is a better back than Booko.  The latter is just one, tough, bruising back who has speed, agility, and strength to run over people yet make moves when necessary to "jock" people.  He is also has good hands and is a good blocker.  His overall league stats at least in running are better than Kehl's and this with his not being 100% and missing this last game due to an ankle spain (he should be back to form for the Olivet game).

At any rate, while admittedly I have not yet seen Kehl, as for my opinion, in all fairness I will wait until having the opportunity to see them both at the same time when Wis Luth visits us at Hope for the final reg season game in two weeks.  That being said, as WLCALUM83 noted, I also add my congrats Kehl for his overall career and contributions to WLC's program, despite their tough season this year.

MacLeod:
O wpi;d jave to agree with you and the others in Olivet being the real surprise team in the league this year.  I was surprised that they beat Alma, after having seen the Alma/Hope game.  Of course, you having been associated with Olivet as you mention, you know more of the "inside" info as to the offenses in past years.  However, without opening that "can of worms of a discussion again", I still like them when they had the Wing-T (and those U of Mich helmet logos!) - their 8-2 season despite not winning the league that year was tremendous.  And for those who maintain the Wing-T has not brought them success in the post-season i.e. in the run for a Stagg Bowl national championship), neither has any other offense for the MIAA teams since Albion's 1994 wonder year! ;D ;)

I look for a close tough game at Olivet on Sat, but, of course, have to agree with the others (and pick) that Hope will win. :)

Now Kazoo vs. Alma could be a tough one to pick, especially with the way Alma has been self destructing as of recent.  On the other hand, I think they'll beat Kazoo, despite it being at Kazoo.  The latter is much improved, but still not as good as Alma I believe, after having seen both teams play. 

Talk to you all later.
 
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Post by: wlcalum on October 30, 2006, 08:57:01 am
Just a couple numbers to throw out there to explain why we at WLC are so high on Kehl.
He needs 38 yards to surpass 3000. He needs 93 yards to be the MIAA all time rushing leader. He was the MIAA 2004 and 2005 rushing leader. and lead the MIAA in 2004 in all purpose runing with 204.7 yards per game. He is still averaging 124 all purpose yards per game this year compared to Booko's 140.8. Booko is doing it all running, for the most part. Kehl can run and catch.
Now we could brag on Matt all day long but I guess the real stat is what have you done for me lately and WLC has won how many games in the last three years? :-[
No disrespect meant to Booko as he is a great runner and no disrespect taken for Kehl - we just like who we like and that is that. Best of luck to both these young men as Kehl will graduate and we get the honor of watching Booko tear it up next year.
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Post by: ACRULZ on October 30, 2006, 10:00:46 am
ACRULZ:
Nothing against or to be taken away from Kehl as I'm sure he is a great player and student-athlete.  However, I would say that most people would disagree with you in your comments that he is a better back than Booko.  The latter is just one, tough, bruising back who has speed, agility, and strength to run over people yet make moves when necessary to "jock" people.  He is also has good hands and is a good blocker.  His overall league stats at least in running are better than Kehl's and this with his not being 100% and missing this last game due to an ankle spain (he should be back to form for the Olivet game).

At any rate, while admittedly I have not yet seen Kehl, as for my opinion, in all fairness I will wait until having the opportunity to see them both at the same time when Wis Luth visits us at Hope for the final reg season game in two weeks.  That being said, as WLCALUM83 noted, I also add my congrats Kehl for his overall career and contributions to WLC's program, despite their tough season this year.



Kehl may not have the stats but look at what blocks for Booko and what blocks for Kehl.  I have seen both backs and both O-lines.  Hope's O-Line is far superior.  I believe if Kehl was running behind Hope's O-Line he may have surpassed 3000 career yards already.  Also Hope has a decent passing game, a lot better than WLC's which also takes pressure off of Booko and on Kehl.
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Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2006, 10:33:29 pm
ACRULZ and wlcalum:
Likewise, no disrespect intended nor taken. :)  Kehl has indeed done a great job as you outline.  I would only clarify that while I agree that he would most likely do even better behind Hope's line; with all due respect to our line, it is not playing as good as Hope's line has in recent past years.  That makes Booko's performance all the more impressive; moreover, his receiving stats are less than Kehls because Hope doesn't throw to him much at all - the offense passing game is not designed for that.   Yet, again, no disrespect to our offensive line since those young men (as is all Hope's team) are presently playing their hearts out after such a rough 0-3 start.  Obviously, the defense picked it up this last game as I mentioned.

Anyway, as mentioned, I will hold off on my final comments after I've had the opportunity to see both Kehl and Booko in the season final.  Yet again, I do compliment him on a great career and good individual season so far, despite the tough year WLC is having as a team.  Indeed, you guys can be proud and promote the great back that Kehl is.  Best of luck to WLC this week; maybe this will be their "break out" Sat as in "any given Sat".
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Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 31, 2006, 11:11:11 am
The Scot gun rides again for all those in cahoots with Albion.   CWRU had a guy on their team in 98 named William Wallace,  Brehm sounds more Pennsylvania Dutch.   :)


the Duluth Eskimos
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 31, 2006, 03:21:49 pm
bulldog alum:

Of the following wins, which one was the most satisfying for you? :) ;) :D ;D (After all, I shared mine).

2000:   Adrian 13, WLC 12.

2002:   Adrian 56, WLC 26.

2003:   Adrian 31, WLC 17.

2005:   Adrian 31, WLC 14.

2006:   Adrian 33, WLC 13.
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Post by: 79jaybird on October 31, 2006, 04:11:53 pm
Who will win the Hope/Olivet game this weekend?  While I think Olivet will give the Dutch a good fight and it helps having the home field/fans at their backs,  I think the Dutch prevail in the 4th quarter.  I could see it being something like 28-17  with 10-14 points coming in the 4th quarter.  Tough game to gauge because both teams have had great moments, and poor moments throughout the year.  I know in the Elmhurst/Olivet game when we were up there (week 3) Olivet was plagued by turnovers, otherwise I think the Comets are right there with the Bluejays.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 31, 2006, 04:33:20 pm
If Booko can go the whole game it'll be a big help for the Dutchmen. He was held out for much of the TSU game. Booko vs. Clasgens-how's that for a potential matchup of good runners, eh? ;) :D
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Post by: bulldogalum on October 31, 2006, 07:33:35 pm
bulldog alum:

Of the following wins, which one was the most satisfying for you? :) ;) :D ;D (After all, I shared mine).

2000:   Adrian 13, WLC 12.

2002:   Adrian 56, WLC 26.

2003:   Adrian 31, WLC 17.

2005:   Adrian 31, WLC 14.

2006:   Adrian 33, WLC 13.

well, to be fair, I didn't see any of those games (for whatever reason, the game against WLC was NEVER a good weekend for me when I was in school, always some other obligation).  I'll take the win this year, simply because it's the freshest in my mind, and it's a win against WLC in our last game against them before they leave the MIAA.  Hopefully this will not be the last time the Bulldogs face Wisconsin Lutheran, in spite of the fact that we've had our troubles in Milwaukee, I know our players and coaches have always really enjoyed that trip.  Best of luck on the rest of the season!
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Post by: 79jaybird on October 31, 2006, 09:49:22 pm
Milwaukee is a beautiful town  and the schools WI Lutheran, UW Milwaukee, Concordia WI (not too far away), Carroll (just down the road) etc.  really make the city very nice.  Going larger you have Marquette (Sister's Alma Mater) that is really pretty.  The downtown area on Lake Michigan is very nice and with the improvements at Miller Park, the Bradley Center, and the Midwest Convention Center downtown, Milwaukee is like a small Chicago with that small town charm to it.
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 01, 2006, 10:21:10 am
I must agree milwaukee is a great city.  And if you like the night life, Water Street is a must see!  But back to football I think Olivet will pull off the win in a close one over Hope.
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Post by: 79jaybird on November 01, 2006, 11:50:55 am
ACRulz- Yes, Water Street is a nice place and one where you can get "tipsy" very easily.  ;)
What are some of your keys and/or reasons why you think Olivet will beat Hope Saturday?
The Olivet Team that I saw in Week 3 (Olivet/EC) game was a Comet Team that was still developing and gelling.  I still think the Comets (perhaps) may have beat us if they didn't cough up the ball early.  They have a sleek runner and a pretty good line.  Their QB was o.k. but that also could be because it was week 3 and still getting the rhythms established.
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Post by: wlcalum on November 01, 2006, 01:55:21 pm
bulldog alum
WLC will be in the MIAA for next year - if I understood correctly

Water Street in Milwaukee is not watered down by any means ;)

Hope will win this weekend because they understand the importance of this game. Not that Olivet doesn't, as they will be playing their hearts out for a share of the championship. Just do not see Hope letting it slip. That being said, all it takes is one tiny mistake to change the face of this ball game. The turnover ratio will be key as will the mix of pass and run plays that Hope will use. Would really like to watch this game.
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Post by: 79jaybird on November 01, 2006, 04:21:00 pm
WLCAlum--My Sister went to Marquette (1999-2003)  and I spent many weekends at her dorm/apartment when I was at Elmhurst.  The town is beautiful and I really enjoyed my visits up there.
I agree that Hope gets the job done on Saturday.  I do think that this will be a close game though.  As always turnovers, TOP, and penalties will be 3 major factors for both sides.
Ah, fun time of the year when the conference races go down to the wire.  I am happy to see that we are talking about Olivet at this time of the year for the MIAA crown.
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 03, 2006, 08:40:06 am
ACRulz- Yes, Water Street is a nice place and one where you can get "tipsy" very easily.  ;)
What are some of your keys and/or reasons why you think Olivet will beat Hope Saturday?
The Olivet Team that I saw in Week 3 (Olivet/EC) game was a Comet Team that was still developing and gelling.  I still think the Comets (perhaps) may have beat us if they didn't cough up the ball early.  They have a sleek runner and a pretty good line.  Their QB was o.k. but that also could be because it was week 3 and still getting the rhythms established.


I believe Olivet is more of a blue collar team and will be more physical than Hope.  I think it is going to wear on the Dutch and eventually they are going to fold in the 4th.  I like Olivet's Defense, I think they have more playmakers than Hope.  However both Olivet and Hope run a very patient methodical offense.  Olivet will win this game, it will be close, howver Olivet will make more plays on defense and special teams.
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Post by: bulldogalum on November 03, 2006, 09:36:10 am
Boy, I don't know.  The one time I saw Hope this year (v. Albion), they played a very physical game.  Especially in their running attack, Hope is not afraid to come out and punch you in the mouth.  Olivet may well win this game, but I'm not sure that they'll out-physical Hope.  I'll be interested to see how things turn out.

As a side note, did anybody watch that Louisville-WVU game last night?  Someone really ought to tell the Big East about a little thing called "defense."
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 03, 2006, 11:13:18 am
Boy, I don't know.  The one time I saw Hope this year (v. Albion), they played a very physical game.  Especially in their running attack, Hope is not afraid to come out and punch you in the mouth.  Olivet may well win this game, but I'm not sure that they'll out-physical Hope.  I'll be interested to see how things turn out.

As a side note, did anybody watch that Louisville-WVU game last night?  Someone really ought to tell the Big East about a little thing called "defense."


I don't know either, I watched hope play Adrian and Olivet play Adrian.  Olivet played very physical, I thought Adrian played more physical than Hope but Hope just made a few moreplays than Adrian.  It will be a good game regardless.  I just believe that Olivet is the most physical team in the league.

The WVU-Louisville game did turn into a track meet, I agree with you there!
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2006, 12:04:36 pm
bulldogalum:

As it is still season Im only commenting on the WVU/ Louisville game.  Talking defense is nuts, that game was bound to be a track meet from the get go with both of those teams being inside the top 10 in total offense for the year.  Their defenses are good but in a game like that the offenses will break them down, to much speed across the field and to good of coaching from both offensive staffs.  WVU didnt look ready for the games, the fumbles by Slaton were uncharecteristic and the punt coverage where 4 WVU defenders ran 10 yds past the punt was nuts.  AS for the big east getting in the national title game, if Louisville wins out and doesnt drop the ball against Rutgers I can see it happening.  OSU should beat Michigan and the BCS rankings should be very tight after that game, but if U of M drops that OSU game I dont see a rematch.
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Post by: D306 on November 03, 2006, 01:01:41 pm
I will take Hope over Oli.
In a tight well played game.
Both teams practice ball control and a time consuming offense.
I believe Hopes offense is a little more explosive, and diverse.
Olivets defense I believe is superior, but don't think Olivet can score enough to win this game, especially if it is not raining/snowing making turnovers a key, ball security for hope is the deciding factor.

RE: Lou vs WV neither team could play in a major conference, the defenses are bad and undersized. Second after a couple of games the injuries would pile up and lack of depth would kill them. A one time meeting is the best advantage that these teams hold. The surprise of the multiple sets, and atheletic QB's.

They are WAC teams 1990's revisited.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 03, 2006, 03:21:06 pm
DAWG:

I didn't mean to suggest that Louisville doesn't have a shot to play for the national title, I think if they win out, they will probably face the winner of UM-OSU for a national title.  However, I don't necessarily buy the whole offensive superpower theory.  It's true that Louisville and WVU are very fast on offense, but I don't think their O-Lines would match up well at all with Michigan or OSU's defensive fronts. 

Louisville would be a tougher match up for Michigan than WVU, I think, because of the quick passing attack.  If they could block the front 4 long enough to get those passes off, which isn't all that long, they could have some success.  This is especially true if they choose NOT to pick on Leon Hall.

OSU has a stronger secondary, and I think would do better against Louisville.  That said, I think that, in any single game, either of those teams could find a way to win, especially if they got a few breaks/turnovers.

Beat Albion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2006, 03:25:14 pm
bulldogalum:

Having heard WVU's offensive line coach speak at a clinic in Cincinnati I honestly feel based on technique and schemes they dont need the same type of player.  As physical of a team as WVU is they are somewhat of a finesse style up front using alot more scoop blocks and allowing defensive momentum of players to influence where tehy want to go.  No doubt Michigan is bigger and stronger on the lines, but with the quicker tpye player and zone scheme of WVU with the type of speed Michigan doesnt have nor see very often would make for an interesting game.
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Post by: bulldogalum on November 03, 2006, 03:51:43 pm
I'll buy that.
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Post by: 79jaybird on November 03, 2006, 05:05:24 pm
I mentioned my reasoning why I think the Dutch pull out the W at Olivet tomorrow, but I think also it has to do with history at this time of the year.  Hope has been to the playoffs and (as a program) knows how to turn it "up a notch" when a playoff birth is near.  Olivet is a very good team, but can they match that intensity as the playoff dream nears?  For the Comets' sake, I hope so, but I think the Dutch find a way to win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2006, 09:41:13 am
Very interesting discussions, my friends.  I, too, think it will be a close game at Olivet today.  However, I obviously have to go with Hope.  Olivet is a tough team and especially at home.  For some reason in recent years, Hope has always had a more difficult time playing there, even when they have won.  With the MIAA title and AQ at stake, this "should" be a tremendous game.  I hope the weather holds; I'm off to see the game in a bit so will check in with you guys later.  I hope all of you have a great day and enjoy the game(s) that any of you may be going to today.  Go HOPE!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 12:45:32 pm
Hope vs. Olivet  on deck:
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 01:18:52 pm
Hope 7, Olivet 0. End of 1st.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 01:47:30 pm
Hope 10, Olivet 0. Half:  (2 Olivet turnovers so far, the Dutchmen have scored off both). To this point, both defenses have performed as expected otherwise.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 02:19:38 pm
Alma 21, Kalamazoo 21  halftime

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 02:35:29 pm
Per Hope announcers:

Albion 28, Adrian 12  at least Halftime.
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Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 02:48:54 pm
Alma 28, Kalamazoo 21  early in the 3rd
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 02:57:27 pm
Hope 10, Olivet 0. End of 3rd:
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Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 03:09:11 pm
Alma and Kalamazoo are tied at 28 near the end of the 3rd
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:18:20 pm
Hope 16, Olivet 0, 3:24 left. (The Dutchmen got a 76-yd INT return for a TD-missed EPA
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Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 03:24:21 pm
Alma 34, Kalamazoo 28  about midway through the 4th
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Post by: Stinger on November 04, 2006, 03:24:47 pm
That should have been 28-13 Adrian at the half. It's now 31-26  Adrian with about 8:30 to go
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:25:57 pm
Olivet has scored--Hope went into the proverbial "pre-vent defense". TD and 2-pt conversion. Now 16-8, Hope. 2:08 left. (I stand corrected on the other score).
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:32:45 pm
Hope 16, Olivet 8:  Final: Hope is the 2006 MIAA Football Champion!
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Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 03:34:45 pm
Kalamazoo 35, Alma 34 late in the 4th

Looks like a repeat of last year's 1 point Kalamazoo win if the Hornets can hold on.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:37:46 pm
shifted to TSU-WLC. TSU ahead 38-31 but WLC threatening:
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:39:40 pm
One last chance, WLC's at the TSU 6 with 5 seconds left:
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:43:21 pm
WLC has scored!--but they miss the extra point! TSU wins, 38-37.
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Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 03:54:07 pm
Alma 37, Kalamazoo 35 with about a minute to go
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Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 04:01:14 pm
Alma 37, Kalamazoo 35  Final

Congratulations to this week's winners, especially Hope.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 05:30:03 pm
Hope's D has come up big the last 2 weeks. One offensive TD vs. TSU, and all 3 of today's scores came off of Olivet turnovers. (2 of which led to short drives for 10 of the 16 points today.) The Flying Dutchmen held Olivet when they had to. It'll be interesting to see how they plan- finishing the regular season against a WLC team that has to be utterly demoralized and then going into the playoffs. If Hope faces a high-octane passing offense that rarely turns the ball over in the playoffs---- ??? ??? ??? :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2006, 07:38:47 pm
I know I don't post here much, if at all, but I was looking over the Hope/Olivet boxscore

How on Earth did Hope win?........5 firstdowns?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 08:43:59 pm
sac--it was a punt fest a good share of the game and Olivet had 3 turnovers that led indirectly to all of Hope's scores (2 of which were made by the defense--again).
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 08:50:11 pm
If you were ruler of Angola, IN how would you reward TSU coach Land this year? (I'm putting my sense of humor to work here, folks).
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 05, 2006, 04:16:20 pm
Olivet's starting punter was also hurt I hear.  In a punt fest that will definitely make a difference.
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 05, 2006, 04:17:57 pm
How do you folks think Hope will do in the playoffs?
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Post by: bulldogalum on November 05, 2006, 06:21:45 pm
That will depend greatly upon their matchup.  They should be competitive with just about anyone they face.  I think if Booko can have a good game, and Hope can move the ball offensively while continuing to get help from its defense, they will be able to break this MIAA losing skid in the postseason.  Having said that, I am nowhere near the foremost authority on Dutch football, so if my analysis is wrong, I will admit my idiocy and defer to wiser parties.
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Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2006, 07:33:17 pm
Since Hope is the only (likely) North region playoff team not in the regional rankings, I'd say there is a fairly good likelihood that they will find themselves in Alliance for the first round.  If so, I don't much like their chances of seeing the second round! ;)

If, instead, they go to Mt St. Joe or Concordia (Wisc), they should be competitive, though the home team would be a strong favorite.
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Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 05, 2006, 09:38:00 pm
Congrats to the Flying Dutchman!  It is nice to see our sister school in the playoffs.  Look forward to coming there next year.
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Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2006, 11:50:19 pm
I know I don't post here much, if at all, but I was looking over the Hope/Olivet boxscore

How on Earth did Hope win?........5 firstdowns?
Olivet's starting punter was also hurt I hear.  In a punt fest that will definitely make a difference.

sac:
Hope won because of the defense, which made big stops when they had to.  It was a defensive slug-fest and both teams played tremendous in that aspect.  Olivet is a very good team and my (our) "helmets are off to them" for a great effort and game; they are, IMO, the MIAA surprise team of the year.  Both teams, however, did not play that well offensively.  Granted, the Comets could pass the ball against Hope's secondary, which had trouble covering their very good WR's, especially on long "down and out" patterns.  However, Hope's pass rush was too intense for Olivet, and their QB made the mistake of throwing the ball not anticipating Hope's CB (Blasiak) being in position for the long TD score.

Hope, on the other hand, will have to indeed crank up the offense to have a chance in the playoffs.  They repeatedly could not convert 3 and 1 (or less) situations which needs to be improved.  And the 1-13 passing in the first half is not a great stat except that it was for the TD pass, and in the end, that's what counts.

It was a very good MIAA game, with a pretty good crowd - near but not capacity which was slightly disappointing since it was essentially for the MIAA title - I expected more Olivet fans for overflowing standing room only.  Their football complex and the synthetic turf, however, is very nice.

Our coaching staff did a tremendous job, the players never gave up and had great intensity when it got tough towards the end.  Also, I compliment Olivet's coaching staff which did a good job also along with their players.  Officiating, however, was not very good yesterday - a topic and situation which continues to get worse in the MIAA unfortunately, and one which we've discussed here in the past as well as in general on other boards.

Anyway, congrats to the Hope team and their staff on the MIAA title and AQ.  We still have one game left vs. WLC to "run the table" after the 0-3 start before even starting to think about the playoffs.

Congrats to the other MIAA winners yesterday - it appears there were some very good games.



ACRULZ:
In most cases that is usually true, however, yesterday it did not make a difference.  Both punters did fairly well; there were a few shanked or shorter kicks, but with good bounces in favor of the kicking team and none that put people in extremely poor position that I recall.  The poor kicks were, IMO, due to the tremendous pass rush by both teams.  Olivet's punter did a pretty good job; but so did our kicker Bowen (although the latter missed a PAT, his fieldgoal was a fairly long one and dead on accurate - could have cleared another 10+ yards at least).  Nonetheless, the kicking game can make the difference in a game like yesterday's and it almost did, had Olivet pulled out another score in the last 2 minutes of the game.

 
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Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2006, 11:54:39 pm
Oops!  Somehow, my post got placed in the previous cited posts rather than in the usual section below those - sorry about that.
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Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2006, 12:32:05 pm
formerd3db,

Hey buddy, long time no talk.  Hopefully is all is well with your daughter.  TMC has their big Bridge Bowl game this week at home against an undefeated MSJ. 

One of my customers has a son who is a freshman CC runner at Hope.

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Post by: bulldogalum on November 06, 2006, 03:38:21 pm
Congrats to Hope.  They've won the close games all year, and in doing so, proven that they're the best team to represent the MIAA in the playoffs.  Here's hoping they can break this losing streak in the playoffs, and make a nice run.
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Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2006, 05:44:17 pm
SaintsFAN:

Good to hear from you.  Yes, it's been awhile since we've "posted back" at each other, although I've seen some of your posts on the other boards.  That's great that your customer has a frosh runner at Hope.  My own "clan" at Hope both are doing fine - thanks for asking.  Sorry about your TMC having a tough season - they seem to be like Alma is this year as well.  Hope all is well your way - from your posts, it appears you are doing well.  Anyway, I'm glad we've clinched a playoff spot, but like everyone else here, I HOPE we don't draw Mount Union ;D  Talk to you later friend. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2006, 05:45:48 pm
bulldogalum:
Thanks for the support.  Also, I'm sure that you were glad to see your Bulldogs beat Albion.  At least 3/4 of your family was not I'm sure ;D  Hope things are going well for you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 06, 2006, 06:56:58 pm
Oops!  Somehow, my post got placed in the previous cited posts rather than in the usual section below those - sorry about that.

saw it thanks,  sounds like it was a real Midwestern slugfest.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 06, 2006, 08:50:35 pm
what a great hope played saturday  verus  olivet there d shut them down
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2006, 09:23:44 pm
what a great hope played saturday  verus  olivet there d shut them down
Oops!  Somehow, my post got placed in the previous cited posts rather than in the usual section below those - sorry about that.

saw it thanks,  sounds like it was a real Midwestern slugfest.



Yes, it was one of the best and toughest games I've seen in a while.  As I mentioned, Olivet is a very good team - much better than people want to believe, give them credit for and/or than their record indicates.  Anyway, those are the kind of games that are fun, except when your team loses ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 07, 2006, 01:24:45 am
"How will Hope fair in the post-season?"
I think Hope has a good shot against everybody, with the exception being Mt. Union.  I think everybody in the Midwest Region could say the same thing and don't want to face the Purple people eaters in Alliance.  Teams like Capital, Wheaton, Concordia-WI, MSJ, etc.  are beatable and as long as Hope plays to their capabilities they could compete.  Keep in mind I think Hope would probably have a ROAD game in the first round, which makes things a little more difficult than if the game was in Holland.  Any given Saturday, anything/everything can happen.  I would like to see the MIAA get a playoff win, hopefully not at a CCIW school's expense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 08, 2006, 11:23:34 am
I think we all would like to see Hope win a couple games and they sure have the talent to do so. Will have to wait to see what the pairings are before we can make a good guess.
Lets hope they do not rank based on past post season performance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2006, 11:37:04 am
Doesn't really matter -- if they seed based on the actual criteria Hope will still be last out of this group.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 08, 2006, 12:58:47 pm
Just my opinion but I believe The MIAA teams need to branch out of Michigan and recruit players from elsewhere.  With 3 MAC schools and countless GLIAC schools the kids that are left in Michigan are pretty well picked over.  I believe that is the reason for poor showings in both non-league games and the playoffs.
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Post by: Hope92 on November 08, 2006, 08:43:59 pm
Doesn't really matter -- if they seed based on the actual criteria Hope will still be last out of this group.


[Isn't possible Hope could get the number 7 seed in the North?  The reason I ask is Wittenberg also has 3 losses; Capital (7-1) now ranked 5th overall, Dayton not ranked and Ohio Wesleyan (3-7) also unranked on 10/21.  Hope's three losses; first three games of the season were to Central(9-0) now ranked 10th, Depauw (6-3) un ranked, and Wheaton (8-1) now ranked 18th.  Seems that Hope should get consideration to move ahead of Wittenburg based on thier recent loss to Ohio Wesleyan, and the quality of teams Hope has lost to.]
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Post by: Superfoot Wallace on November 08, 2006, 08:57:24 pm
The loss to Depauw should weigh more heavily in my consideration because there will be an opponent in common as between the two conferences.  Believe the same analysis holds true for the Dayton loss as well.

Butler beat Dayton and Butler was beaten by an MIAA.  Have to take into account the higher division status of Dayton.  Remember there were no regional points to be lost or gained in this matchup.

The Monon Bell has an NCAC, beaten by Wittenberg, playing a team that beat Hope head to head.  A Wabash win in this rivalry game has to favor Witt, whereas a Depauw win gives little insight unless the margin is great.

The OWU loss looks terrible and quite possibly will land Witt below Hope, but expect this analysis is too close to call and the NCAA will look to other criteria for the seeding, such as thinning Ohio teams by pitting them against each other, press box issues in either the CCIW or IBFC and general trends such as disdain for rematches from the regular season in the first round.

Would expect Capital will not see Witt in the first round.  Witt has not played either MSJ or MUC, so would expect that Witt will see one or the other if the NCAA wishes to thin the Ohio representatives.  Bythat analysis Cap would face MSJ and Witt gets MUC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2006, 09:21:26 pm
MacLeod,

So far as I know, there are no longer any pressbox (or other field deficiencies) in the CCIW - Carthage fixed their problem VERY promptly after losing home field!

I haven't heard anyone speak with authority concerning the alleged deficiency at CUW - but no one has denied it either.  The "conventional wisdom" at this point seems to be that they will not be able to host, but I just don't know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2006, 09:45:21 pm
Just my opinion but I believe The MIAA teams need to branch out of Michigan and recruit players from elsewhere.  With 3 MAC schools and countless GLIAC schools the kids that are left in Michigan are pretty well picked over.  I believe that is the reason for poor showings in both non-league games and the playoffs.

Not a bad idea.  The tuition at MIAA schools is less than most of the out-of-state schools and the academics comparable (if not better in some cases ;D i.e. depends on whose arguing that ;D).  As one example, Hope used to get a lot more players from NY, NJ, Conn areas due to the Reformed Church affiliations.  However, for some reason, that has declined alot in recent years.  On the other hand, some players like to be closer to home for a variety of reasons.  To each his own I guess. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2006, 10:37:45 pm
Hope92:

If Hope were to end up ahead of Wittenberg why wouldn't they be ranked ahead of them in the regional rankings already? They're at least two spots behind.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2006, 12:19:04 am
Hope92,

Something Pat did not include:  Witt only has TWO in-region losses (Dayton doesn't count).  Since Witt plays Hiram on Saturday, I wouldn't count on a third loss!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Oval on November 09, 2006, 02:34:42 am
I think we all would like to see Hope win a couple games and they sure have the talent to do so.

I don't understand this talent idea.  The Flying Dutchmen haven't won a non-MIAA game in 2006....Central, DePauw and Wheaton all beat Hope.  Do you see those three teams as going into the 3rd round of the NCAA's?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 09, 2006, 02:46:18 pm
In the Midwest, I think each team will go as far as Mt. Union.  The Purple Raiders aren't going to be beat in the first 2-3 rounds (if any) in 2006.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2006, 05:39:11 pm
I think we all would like to see Hope win a couple games and they sure have the talent to do so.

I don't understand this talent idea.  The Flying Dutchmen haven't won a non-MIAA game in 2006....Central, DePauw and Wheaton all beat Hope.  Do you see those three teams as going into the 3rd round of the NCAA's?

Oval:
Have you seen Hope (or any of those teams) play?  Indeed, Wheaton is a very, very good team and I was impressed with them (as I posted "way back" after the Hope/Wheaton game).  However, with a few breaks, Hope could have very well beaten them; but they just did not play well enough to do so that day - Wheaton deserved the win.  Hope's offense was playing better at times in some aspects then as opposed to the last couple of weeks in other aspects.  As many of people have said using that old but very true cliche, it all comes down to "any given Saturday".  Pontentially, with some luck, of the 3 you mention, I think Central and Wheaton could go that far.  Yet, as everyone not doubt agrees, history and current "talent" ;D is on Mount Union's side. :)  We shall see...I'm just happy that we (Hope) got to the first round of "the dance". :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 09, 2006, 10:07:04 pm
Anyone who would suggest that Hope has no playoff game against anyone other than Mt. Union is bonkers.  That's not to say that Hope would win, but they've been playing very well on defense, and if they can play somewhat better on offense, they're going to be a handful for just about anyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 10, 2006, 09:24:47 am
I think depending on the match-up Hope can and will win a Playoff game.
Hope is playing good defense presently, avoid the turnover and they can beat many teams.

All bets are off if they play Mount Union, that is a whole different class of team.

Brings up the posts about why MIAA teams struggle in playoffs, I concur with the comments about the large number of D2 and D3 colleges in the area. A big draw on talent spread out too thin.

I also think many young men make the mistake of being a "redshirt" or player waiting for a chance in D2, in the misunderstanding that all D2 and D1 non scholarship teams are a better level of play.

There are some very talented D3 players and teams.
I think numerous young men come to D3 because, the education and personal contact with Professors leads to a better Academic experience.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 10, 2006, 11:49:43 am
Hope will NOT win a playoff game.  First they are more than likely going to play Mt Union and second they are the best team in the MIAA but nationally they are definitely every bit of an 8 seed.  We have to remember Hope has won a lot of close games this year on luck, luck doesn't last forever.  Against Albion Hope was in a tight one and I believe Albion blew that game.  Against Adrian Hope caught some breaks and pulled it off.  Hope had 5 first downs against Olivet..etc.  All season long Hope has pulled off wins even though in those games they were not, talent wise anyway, the better team.  Hope cannot play like that in the playoffs and expect to win...especially not against a team like Mt. Union.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2006, 01:10:47 pm
ACRULZ
Are you a "Hope hater" or something like that? ;D  Not sure I agree with you on the talent issue.  Nonetheless, your post concurs with the rest of our opinions in that it takes "some breaks/luck" to win some games at times.  It could happen for Hope in the playoffs, although as I think we all agree, that will be difficult if Mount Union is the opponent.  Regardless, I hope you are pulling for your MIAA respresentative in the playoffs.  Your negativity against Hope is not helpful.  We root for whatever MIAA team respresents the league in the playoffs.  I went to last year's Albion playoff game and supported them (even though they are arch rivals) - while they did not play well enough to beat Wabash, it wasn't a blow-out either and with a few of those "breaks" you talk about, it could have occurred.  Yet, it didn't and that's history.  Give us a "break" and point some "Hopeful" support for the playoffs please. ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 10, 2006, 02:14:55 pm
ACRULZ
Are you a "Hope hater" or something like that? ;D  Not sure I agree with you on the talent issue.  Nonetheless, your post concurs with the rest of our opinions in that it takes "some breaks/luck" to win some games at times.  It could happen for Hope in the playoffs, although as I think we all agree, that will be difficult if Mount Union is the opponent.  Regardless, I hope you are pulling for your MIAA respresentative in the playoffs.  Your negativity against Hope is not helpful.  We root for whatever MIAA team respresents the league in the playoffs.  I went to last year's Albion playoff game and supported them (even though they are arch rivals) - while they did not play well enough to beat Wabash, it wasn't a blow-out either and with a few of those "breaks" you talk about, it could have occurred.  Yet, it didn't and that's history.  Give us a "break" and point some "Hopeful" support for the playoffs please. ;) 


LOL!  I didn't mean for it to come off that way however I was just looking at it realistically.  I do "hope" for the MIAA rep to do well in the playoffs.  I just do not want any false "hope" out there either.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2006, 02:22:29 pm
ACRULZ
Are you a "Hope hater" or something like that? ;D  Not sure I agree with you on the talent issue.  Nonetheless, your post concurs with the rest of our opinions in that it takes "some breaks/luck" to win some games at times.  It could happen for Hope in the playoffs, although as I think we all agree, that will be difficult if Mount Union is the opponent.  Regardless, I hope you are pulling for your MIAA respresentative in the playoffs.  Your negativity against Hope is not helpful.  We root for whatever MIAA team respresents the league in the playoffs.  I went to last year's Albion playoff game and supported them (even though they are arch rivals) - while they did not play well enough to beat Wabash, it wasn't a blow-out either and with a few of those "breaks" you talk about, it could have occurred.  Yet, it didn't and that's history.  Give us a "break" and point some "Hopeful" support for the playoffs please. ;) 


LOL!  I didn't mean for it to come off that way however I was just looking at it realistically.  I do "hope" for the MIAA rep to do well in the playoffs.  I just do not want any false "hope" out there either.


No offense taken!  We thank you for the support.  But of course, you know that we have to give it "that old college try" and go into the game with the belief we can win.  Just as any team would/should.  Strange things have happened i.e. the unexpected - look at Rutgers beating Louisville last evening! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2006, 03:46:27 pm
Although they probably won't see this because they shouldn't be on this site (uh, check that, perhaps better said they could see this yet should not be posting during the season ;D), I'd like to take this opportunity to wish all the senior football players on all the MIAA teams the very best in their last games (last regular season game for those at Hope).  This is a time of mixed emotions because it is a celebration of (usually) 4 years of hard work, dedication, commitment for not only themselves but the spirit of their respective school and all that collegiate football stands for, while on the other hand is a melencholy time since it will be most likely the last time they "pass this way".  So, again, good luck and God Bless all the senior players and their families in the MIAA for tomorrow's finale.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2006, 09:58:08 am
Looks like we're going to be playing in that "lake effect" snow/rain/sleet weather phenonm that WLC is accustomed to!  I'm about to leave for the game @ Hope and "Hope" to stay dry and warm today!  Good luck to all the teams today - except WLC, of course as we want to finish this and "run the table" after that 0-3 start. ;D  For those of you going to games, dress warm and stay dry!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 11, 2006, 10:41:50 am
Mr. Ypsi is right that with the upgrade to Carthage's Pressbox, every CCIW could host a NCAA Playoff Game if they were to earn a playoff game.  I still feel bad for that Carthage Team that had to go on the road, when they should have had the home game.
Recruiting is tough, especiall in your state because the D-II in your state is probably the best D-II football in the nation.  So after D 1, 1AA, and D-II has picked the "ripe" ones, there is only a handful left.  I think Division III is head and shoulders above the others, but recruiting and $$$ doesn't always agree with this.
I know Elmhurst Coaches spent a lot of time recruiting the Mt. Pleasant and Central Michigan Area heavily.  2006 Michiganders include QB Mike LaFleur, WR Blake Veldhuis, WR Lex Cisler, WR Matt Long, and WR Graeme Jarrell.  Going back a few years we had an All-Conference MLB  Dallas Till who was our leading tackler all 4 years he played.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 11:40:25 am
It's a good bet that Hope's starters don't go the whole game. No point in getting key personnel hurt this game. ;) ;) :D :D ;) ;) :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 12:47:21 pm
Tri-State at Albion on deck.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 01:11:22 pm
Albion 7, TSU 0. 13:35 left in 1st. (To add insult to injury, TSU's Foster is out of the game--serious ankle injuy).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 01:16:49 pm
TSU's Sanders just broke a 50 yarder for a TD. Score tied at 7, 12:36 left in 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 01:37:29 pm
Albion 14, Tri-State 7, less than 1 minute left in 1st.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 02:05:22 pm
Tri-State 14, Albion 14, less than a minute left in 2nd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 02:13:51 pm
Albion 21, Tri-State 14;  Half  Jake Wilson's had a hot hand throwing thus far. TSU coach Land has been batting .500 with his "Kenny Rogers"-like 4th-down gambles on offense. (I'm referring to the singer, not the pitcher, folks.) :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 02:43:53 pm
Tri-State 21, Albion 21. Sanders pass to Hartmann. Approx. 8:00 left in 3rd.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 02:49:25 pm
Albion 27, TSU 21:  TD, missed EPA. 6;00 left in 3rd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 02:58:09 pm
Albion 30, Tri-State 21;  Brits got a 30 yd FG to end the 3rd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:08:14 pm
Going to try some quick shifting, folks.

Adrian trailing vs. Alma. 35-28.  4:32 left in the 3rd.

Olivet ahead of Kzoo 30-17.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:29:23 pm
back to TSU/Albion. Albion still up, now 30-28 with just over 1 1/2 minutes left in 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:36:24 pm
Albion 30, Tri-State 28.  Final. (Not exactly what Matt Land wanted, but it beats the daylights out of the 73-point throttling the Brits gave them last season.)  :) :) :) ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:40:33 pm
Back to Adrian/Alma: 

Adrian down 45-28 with some 7 minutes left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:45:37 pm
Stick a fork in the Bulldogs, they are done. Denryter just had a pass intercepted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:48:33 pm
Shifted to Olivet vs. Kzoo again.

Olivet in command:  37-17, less than 8 minutes left in 4th.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BVHawk on November 11, 2006, 10:20:08 pm
Congrats to Hope on making the playoffs!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 11, 2006, 11:06:16 pm
Congrats to the Dutch on the great conference season this year and making the playoffs.  It's great to see a team we played from another conference make the playoffs.  Good luck on the seating and make some noise now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BVHawk on November 12, 2006, 09:59:02 am
Who would you vote for for MIAA football coach of the year?

Wouldn't the Hope coach be the front-runner?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 12, 2006, 11:18:08 am
If that's based on regular season alone, that would probably make the most sense, if a fan was to go by strictly what was on paper. (Are pro-Hope posters waiting untill the Flying Dutchmen's playoff resuts before they respond?). Hope was projected to finish 3rd, Olivet 5th and Tri-State last in pre-season. If one goes by most-unexpected performance from a used-to-be perpetual underdog, that's where Tri-State enters the picture. Though the on-paper numbers still may not stack up in comparison, the Thunder team is in consideration because of the unexpected level of heart shown, particularly in their "near-miss" losses and both conference wins. Since this poster likes it when a long-time underdog makes strides, he's going with the Angola squad on the poll. :) ;) :D :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 12, 2006, 11:25:58 am
Hey, ACRULZ, this poster's got a suggestion for a Christmas gift Hope could send Tri-State for beating Olivet--how about a 6-month supply of Gatorade?  ::) ???  (Why not? TSU could either keep it in storage or use it for more soakings after future victories!!) Ba dumm bumm.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 12, 2006, 02:35:14 pm
Congratulations to Hope, and good luck in the playoffs.  Unfortunately, the MIAA doesn't appear on track to get a playoff win this year, with Hope heading to Mount Union in the first round.  Let's hope they make a decent showing at least, which I think they will. 

I was also glad to see Tri-State make significant improvements this year.  They almost took out Albion yesterday, by the sound of it.  I know Albion is having a down year, but coming so close to defeating the Brits at home does show some promise.  I think TSU will contribute to the competitiveness of the MIAA down the road.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 12, 2006, 02:52:44 pm
This poster wouldn't be surprised if Hope's secondary gets a real test next week. If Hope's D is on like it's been the last few weeks--(how about getting early points off turnovers?)  ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section13raiderfan on November 12, 2006, 05:48:38 pm
Heres a tip-o-da-hat to Hope College for making the playoffs and drawing Mount Union first round. It will be nice to see a game against someone we have never met in the playoffs before. You might be encouraged to learn that the Raiders are somewhat banged up, including several key starters. On the downside...the Raiders are pretty deep since many backups play a quarter or more regularly. LK wont have 200+ kids to choose from in the playoffs though. I hope you bring many fans for this since the drive is not untolerable. See ya Saturday. Good Luck.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 12, 2006, 06:27:54 pm
I voted for Coach Land at Tri State because, having seen that team play the last few seasons, I don't think any team improved more this season.  They went from being an automatic win to a team that was much tougher to get past, and that is a big step in a program like that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 12, 2006, 07:03:06 pm
Hey, ACRULZ, this poster's got a suggestion for a Christmas gift Hope could send Tri-State for beating Olivet--how about a 6-month supply of Gatorade?  ::) ???  (Why not? TSU could either keep it in storage or use it for more soakings after future victories!!) Ba dumm bumm.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D :) ;) :D


Lol!  I agree!  Congrats to Hope and good luck in the playoffs!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 12, 2006, 07:04:50 pm
Also, the Scots just beat the crap out of my Bulldogs Saturday.  The Bulldogs didn't mail it in for the season, they came out and played hard.  Alma was just a better team athletically.  Congrats on the win Scots!  By the way, Braveheart's Pub in Alma has great burgers!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 12, 2006, 07:41:22 pm
Congratulations to Hope College as MIAA Champs and (HOPEfully- no pun intended) an upset of Mt. Union.  Hey David vs. Goliath has happened before and if the Dutch play to their capabilities, anything can happen.  Also I want to extend Congratulations to Olivet and HC Dom Livedoti's Team as the Comets had a very good year.  I think they will be fairly strong next year also.
Formerd3db-- How about that.  I remember emailing you telling you that Hope was my "favorite" to make the playoffs back in October... How come I can't be right on other "life" predictions like I was on this one?  :P
How long of a drive/travel is it from Holland to Alliance?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2006, 08:58:05 pm
jaybird:
Yes, only if it were so easy like that! ;)  Anyway, thanks for the congrats - you were right.  As far as the distance, it is about 6 1/2 hours drive - not too bad.  Also, congrats to your Elmhurst on a fine season.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 13, 2006, 04:01:55 pm
Formerd3db-Thank you for the EC praise.  We had an o.k. year, but like most confs. the competitiveness from top to bottom is extreme and we fell short in a couple of heartbreakers.
I think the Dutch should and will go into Alliance with the thought of playing well enough to win.  We all know Mt. Union is a fb giant, but they are human, flesh, and blood like all of us, so go and fight hard for the MIAA.
I am surprised that only 1 person (now 2 as I voted) think Dom Livedoti deserves COA Honors.  He really helped build the Olivet program and gave the Comets a shot at post season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: theaprof on November 13, 2006, 06:30:30 pm
Mount Union is human flesh and blood???  Where have you been?  They are a machine--just wait and see!! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2006, 06:58:59 pm
Mount Union is human flesh and blood???  Where have you been?  They are a machine--just wait and see!! :o

theaprof:

But even machines break down at times! ;D ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2006, 06:59:35 pm
Mount Union is human flesh and blood???  Where have you been?  They are a machine--just wait and see!! :o

I hope you don't carry that over to the classroom! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section13raiderfan on November 13, 2006, 07:19:22 pm


For your info, there is an airport 25 minutes drive from Mount Union College. Its called Canton-Akron airport and its airport sign is CAK if you want to check into flying in and out. I just flew from CAK to DET airport and it was 25 minutes in the air. I dont know who would rather fly than drive...but you do have options. How far is Hope College from Detroit anyways?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2006, 07:55:21 pm


For your info, there is an airport 25 minutes drive from Mount Union College. Its called Canton-Akron airport and its airport sign is CAK if you want to check into flying in and out. I just flew from CAK to DET airport and it was 25 minutes in the air. I dont know who would rather fly than drive...but you do have options. How far is Hope College from Detroit anyways?

From Hope (Holland, MI) to Detroit is about 2 1/2 - 3 hours (depending on traffic).  Drive from Lansing about 5 hours; 6 1/2 from Holland.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: theaprof on November 14, 2006, 10:38:53 am
Not much chatter going on over here!!

For those Dutchmen planning on making the trip to Alliance, I would suggest taking the Ohio Turnpike to I-77 south to 62 east--get off 62 at the State Street-Alliance exit and head east--that will take you right to our campus and the Stadium.

A shorter, but slightly more complicated route is to take the Ohio turnpike to Streetsboro and then take 14 east through Ravenna and continue on until you go under I-76--about 3/4 of a mile later take 183 south into Alliance--you will join up with Union Ave when you get into Alliance--take that south to State Street and the campus--the Stadium is in the southwest corner of campus.

There are a couple of hotels in Alliance, but you would probably do better to look for a place in Canton (where I-77 and 62 intersect)

Tailgaiting is usually tolerated in the parking lot on the southwest corner of the stadium--keep it in a cup and you probably won't get hassled.

Safe travels to all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2006, 11:00:24 am
theaprof:
Many thanks for the information.  It will be helpful to our Hope followers for sure.  See you at the game (although, perhaps we can get some more "chatter" postings here and on your board before everyone leaves on Friday ;)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 14, 2006, 11:24:54 am
Hello Hope faithful!

A Mount fan here who would be interested in learning about what kind of offense the Dutchman run, and who is considered their "big guns"? 

It's nice to get some prior knowledge of who's who before the game.

Thanks, and safe journeys to anyone that is traveling.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 14, 2006, 02:56:38 pm
While I do think Hope has their work cut out for them,  I think it is very important for the Dutch to get off to a "good start" on Saturday.  If they walk into Alliance and fall behind by 14-21 points early,  it is going to be a long afternoon.  On the flipside, if the Dutch are hanging in their and perhaps only down 7-10 points throughout,  then anything could happen in the 4th quarter.
I don't by the "machine" analogy with Mt. Union.  They are a great team indeed, however they are susceptible to fumbles, the elements, etc. just like every other team in D-3.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OU#25 on November 14, 2006, 03:04:35 pm
79jaybird:
I agree with your assessment of Hope getting out to a fast start on Saturday.  Mount has not trailed in any game this season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 14, 2006, 04:10:56 pm
"Mount has not trailed in any game this season"  So one might wonder how the Purple Raiders will react if they were to be down and/or in a dogfight late in the 4th quarter. ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OU#25 on November 14, 2006, 04:33:51 pm
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on November 14, 2006, 04:41:27 pm
If you can swing it Hope fans, try and catch the NFL Hall of Fame.  The game is at noon, so it might be hard to swing.  But definitely worth the trip.  When Wheaton played down there in 97 my Dad and I hit the Hall the morning of the game, but I think the games started at 1 PM back then.   Word has it that Mount has a great buffet before the game too, I'm sure you'll be hearing about that soon enough...... :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 14, 2006, 05:11:34 pm
79jaybird,

I wouldn't get your hopes up too high.  I know that "On any given day" could happen, but it didn't happen for over 100 conference games till last year, and that was to an excellent team in ONU.  It also has randomly happened in the playoffs, but not to a 7-3 first round opponent.

Congrats to making the playoffs, enjoy the trip and the atmosphere, but it will take a lot more than a couple of turnovers to beat the Raiders.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 14, 2006, 06:25:22 pm
KirasDad, I am not getting my "HOPEs (no pun intended) up to high" I am just stating facts that as a huge underdog, Hope has to come out of the gates sharp, be ready to play, and play fundamentals limiting mistakes.  On the flipside, MUC being a big "incumbent"  doesn't want to let an underdog hang around, because that's when upsets occur.  Do I think Hope is going to win on Saturday?  Not really  Do I think that Hope has a shot?  Yes as do all the playoff teams in the NCAA's this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 14, 2006, 07:00:12 pm
Hello Hope faithful!

A Mount fan here who would be interested in learning about what kind of offense the Dutchman run, and who is considered their "big guns"? 

It's nice to get some prior knowledge of who's who before the game.

Thanks, and safe journeys to anyone that is traveling.

Hope's "big guns" on offense are:  QB Jake Manning, RB David Booko, FB Andy Serrano, WR Doug VanEerden and TE Kevin VandenBosch. Booko's forte is being a "punishing" type of runner who knows how to fake defenders out with moves. He is seldom called upon to catch the ball. VanEerden and VandenBosch are 2 receivers Manning likes to go to when he needs to throw. Hope's more prone to run than to throw. I'll let another MIAA poster elaborate further.

On defense, Hope's stepped it up quite a bit in their last several games. DE Matt Rugenstein has been a stopper. DB,s Troy Blasius and Kevin Roschek have come up with several interceptions the last few games. Chris Bowen's punting isn't to be overlooked, either. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rscl70 on November 14, 2006, 07:29:17 pm
[quote author=kirasdad link=topic=3548.msg609264#msg609264 date=1163542294

Congrats to making the playoffs, enjoy the trip and the atmosphere, but it will take a lot more than a couple of turnovers to beat the Raiders.
[/quote]

I hope there is some "atmosphere" to enjoy.  With rain in the forecast and Ohio Sate playing that other team from up north, folks may be inclined to stay indoors and party.  Could be a slim crowd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 14, 2006, 09:32:47 pm
I was looking at the post season awards for the MIAA today and I'm wondering about some things.  I'm about to be called a "hope hater" again but anyway.  How does the Defensive POY award go to Rugenstein over Taz Wallace.  I understand Rugenstein is a great player, I seen him first hand.  But Wallace is the best linebacker the MIAA has seen in years.  Every one will say Adrian pads his stats, if you watched Taz over the last 4 years you know he is ALWAYS around the ball.  And I know I am a bit biased here but he is very deserving.  I mean this guy is the most prolific tackler ever in D III history.  He broke a record for average tackles per game in a career.  If a guy has numbers and credentials like that, how do you not give him POY honors???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2006, 10:26:53 pm
ACRULZ:
You make some valid points re: Wallace for consideration.  Several posters here had this similar discussion last year; seems like every leagues followers have this discussion every year. ;D    The award signifies "this year", not a career.  According to league stats, Wallace had more total tackles than Rugenstein, however, the latter had more sacks overall and averaged at least one per game.  He also had some bigger key plays for stops it would appear.  Another factor is that Hope won the league and it usually occurs that "to the victor goes the spoils", even if that might seem and/or be unfair at times.  I recall in several seasons where the championship team afforded the most all-league selections when, for sure, there were a few players from other teams that were not chosen First Team who perhaps should have been.  Last year as I recall, the league interception leader was among those and in the opinion of many, should have been.  Of course, there are many deserving players, but unfortunately, only specific # of spots for first team.  While Wallace is certainly deserving of the MVP, so is Rugenstein, and in life sometimes,
"that's the way it goes".  My congrats to Wallace, though, on a fantastic career at Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2006, 10:30:42 pm
I forgot to add this: ...and my congratulations to all the student-athletes who were chosen for MIAA honors; First, Second and Honorable Mention Teams and all the MVP and Schmidt Award selections.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2006, 10:36:34 pm
WLCALUM83:
I would say that is a pretty good assesment, although I'm glad you made it and not me, lest I get accused of "giving secrets or advantage to the opponent". ;D

BTW, your team gave us a pretty good scare in the first quarter of last Saturday's game.  They just kind of "ran out of gas" as Hope continued to pound away.  I give them credit for not quitting, however, and the WLC coaching staff exhibited class in congratulating Coach Kreps and his staff and all the players and wishing us well in the playoffs and in representing the league.  Hopefully, WLC can improve for next year, their last in the MIAA as you know, before they head into their new conference.

Also, do you know how WLC's injured player (knee) is doing?  I hope he is doing better. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 15, 2006, 07:47:47 am
Thanks for the props. Congrats to all who made All-Conference.

(Just as a side note:  Last I heard, Matt Kehl's studying to become a chiropractor. Best of luck to him!).

 :) ;) :D :) ;) :D 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 15, 2006, 03:18:06 pm
ACRULZ:
You make some valid points re: Wallace for consideration.  Several posters here had this similar discussion last year; seems like every leagues followers have this discussion every year. ;D    The award signifies "this year", not a career.  According to league stats, Wallace had more total tackles than Rugenstein, however, the latter had more sacks overall and averaged at least one per game.  He also had some bigger key plays for stops it would appear.  Another factor is that Hope won the league and it usually occurs that "to the victor goes the spoils", even if that might seem and/or be unfair at times.  I recall in several seasons where the championship team afforded the most all-league selections when, for sure, there were a few players from other teams that were not chosen First Team who perhaps should have been.  Last year as I recall, the league interception leader was among those and in the opinion of many, should have been.  Of course, there are many deserving players, but unfortunately, only specific # of spots for first team.  While Wallace is certainly deserving of the MVP, so is Rugenstein, and in life sometimes,
"that's the way it goes".  My congrats to Wallace, though, on a fantastic career at Adrian.

All good points...Two great players, one award leads to tough choices.  But either way both kids had great years.  Nobody is ever completely happy when league awards come out but congrats to all the athletes named ALL MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bushman on November 15, 2006, 08:17:42 pm
Congrats to Hope Flying Dutchman for making the playoffs.  Even though you have to play Mt. there is a plus side to this matchup for Hope.  First of all you will get to see how you stack up against one of the better programs in D3.  You can use it as a measuring stick for what your needs are in order to improve for the future.  Second, the experience will be invaluable for your underclassmen next year.   To be the best you must play the best.  Good luck on your trip to A town.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2006, 11:59:45 pm
Congrats to Hope Flying Dutchman for making the playoffs.  Even though you have to play Mt. there is a plus side to this matchup for Hope.  First of all you will get to see how you stack up against one of the better programs in D3.  You can use it as a measuring stick for what your needs are in order to improve for the future.  Second, the experience will be invaluable for your underclassmen next year.   To be the best you must play the best.  Good luck on your trip to A town.

Thanks bushman.  We'll see what happens; our players will just have to do the best they can and hopefully we'll have a decent showing and maybe a surprise or two (like the upset of the century?! ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: theaprof on November 16, 2006, 08:54:17 am
Yeah, right! Somehow I don't think it's going to happen--but as they say--on any given Saturday....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 16, 2006, 09:11:07 am
Shock the world, Dutchmen, shock the world!  Make it two big wins for the State of Michigan down in O**o this weekend!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 16, 2006, 09:40:21 am
It's 9:39 AM in Ohio.......and Michigan (and Hope) still suck!   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hawk'ster on November 16, 2006, 11:06:06 am
Again....to the recruiting.  Calvin puts two volleyball players on the AA team, both from Ohio.  The MIAA is not going to win NCAA playoff football games using Michigan high school'ers.

2006 AVCA NCAA Division III All-America Volleyball Team (http://www.avca.org/collegiate/DIIIawards/06DIIIAA.asp)

AVCA DIVISION III FIRST-TEAM ALL-AMERICA
Kristen Kalb   Calvin College   OH   Jr.   5-9   Stow, Ohio

AVCA DIVISION III SECOND-TEAM ALL-AMERICA
Molly Krikke   Calvin College   MB   Jr.   5-11   Greenwich, Ohio

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: raiderguy on November 16, 2006, 11:47:43 am
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.

Go Bucks!

Go Raiders!

Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?

You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?

It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams. 

Make that three :-X :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 02:32:16 pm
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.

Go Bucks!

Go Raiders!

Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?

You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?

It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams. 

Make that three :-X :-X


You know what they said about David and Goliath in the Bible (and Rutgers last week) don't you?! :) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 16, 2006, 03:28:13 pm
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.
Go Bucks!
Go Raiders!
Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?
You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?
It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams. 
Make that three :-X :-X
You know what they said about David and Goliath in the Bible (and Rutgers last week) don't you?! :) ;) ;D

I'll give you David and Goliath but Rutgers/Louiville is not the same as Hope/Mount Union.

Maybe if Boise State were to beat Ohio State, that might be closer to this matchup.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 16, 2006, 03:46:09 pm
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.
Go Bucks!
Go Raiders!
Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?
You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?
It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams. 
Make that three :-X :-X

That sounds good, perhaps it will happen if Boise State makes the Rose Bowl! ;)
You know what they said about David and Goliath in the Bible (and Rutgers last week) don't you?! :) ;) ;D

I'll give you David and Goliath but Rutgers/Louiville is not the same as Hope/Mount Union.

Maybe if Boise State were to beat Ohio State, that might be closer to this matchup.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 16, 2006, 03:48:11 pm
Sorry about that, my quip is in there somewhere.  To avoid making everyone sort through that mess, I'll repost it here:

In response to the idea of Boise State beating Ohio State:

That sounds good, perhaps it will happen if Boise St. makes the Rose Bowl! ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 16, 2006, 04:30:47 pm
What is/are the itinerary plan(s) for Hope traveling to Alliance?  Are the Dutch leaving today or tomorrow (Friday) for the Buckeye State?
I know they are expecting rain and possible snow showers in IL/IN today, so is there a chance this storm system will be over OH/PA on Saturday?
I think a messy field will benefit an underdog, which would possibly help Hope.  While I think it is a large uphill climb, I will be pulling for Hope on Sat.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HScoach on November 16, 2006, 04:51:05 pm
Don't owrry about a sloppy field.  MUC installed Field Turf a few years ago. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 16, 2006, 04:57:04 pm
I know MUC's Field is Field Turf (AstroPlay I believe??) but if it is raining and/or snowing, even turf can get slippery and difficult to maneuver on.  We have AstroPlay at Elmhurst and in the rain, the carpet is tricky to make the quick cuts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: raiderguy on November 16, 2006, 05:01:04 pm
Bulldogalum

The Buckeyes are going to be in Arizona so they won't see Boise State in CA.

With a 500 yd performance last week on the ground bring on a messy field?

But like hscoach said "Field Turf"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 06:41:39 pm
kirasdad:
Sorry to disagree, but the analogy is a legit one.  No way Rutgers beats Louisville in repeat games; it was a fluke they did, albeit they deserved the win.  Rutgers is having a Cinderella year and is a good team, just like Hope.  Very few people expected Rutgers would actually win (even less dared to predict it).  Again, while admittedly Hope's chances are slim if that, on rare occasions, the unexpected happens.  It indeed would be a miracle and I'm not going to hold my breath, however, it would be ridiculous to think that Hope is not going to "give it that old college try" i.e. come down to Alliance with a losing attitude like they don't have a chance at all. ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 06:43:29 pm
jaybird:
Team bus leaves very early AM tomorrow.  Indeed, the weather does not look promising.  I HOPE it clears up (like no rain would be nice!).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 06:46:31 pm
Since we're discussing "impossibilities", can I throw another example as in the Centre College upset of Harvard back in the 1920's?! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rscl70 on November 16, 2006, 07:01:07 pm
Forecast for Saturday is a 20% chance of showers after noon, with light winds.  Should not effect the game at all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 16, 2006, 07:33:31 pm
formerd3db-  Have a safe trip and safe travels to all the Hope players, fans, parents traveling.  I assume you are traveling with the team Doc?
Talk to you soon.  M
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 16, 2006, 08:09:44 pm
Other famous past upsets:

Pros:  1985 New England playoff run.

College:  1974. Wisconsin over Nebraska.

               1981. Wisconsin over Michigan

               1981. Wisconsin over Ohio State

               Penn State over Miami, FL (one of the years V Testaverde was QB).

               1998. Texas A & M over Kansas State (Big XII Championship)

               

And back in Div III.

              Wisconsin Lutheran over Adrian, 2004.

              Tri-State over Olivet, 2006.

               :) ;) :D :) ;) :D :P :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bushman on November 16, 2006, 08:20:54 pm
I expect Hope will see a steady diet of run run and more runs.  Not much passing on saturday by the Raiders. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: theaprof on November 16, 2006, 08:28:56 pm
Wishes for safe travel for all of the Flying Dutchmen and their fans.  See you Saturday!--Look for me, I should be easy to find--I'll be the one dressed in purple!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2006, 08:49:04 pm
Since we're discussing "impossibilities", can I throw another example as in the Centre College upset of Harvard back in the 1920's?! ;D

Contrary to persistent rumor - I was NOT at that game! 

Arguably the greatest upset of all time (though in bball, not fball) was Chaminade over Ralph Sampson's #1 Virginia.  If THAT could happen, Hope COULD beat MUC!  (I'm not crazy; I doubt it will happen, but don't give up HOPE!) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 16, 2006, 09:27:30 pm
I'd rank Villanova over Patrick Ewing's Georgetown squad in '85 NCAA final 2nd or 3rd. :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2006, 09:48:29 pm
While that was quite an upset, it was not even the biggest upset of that NCAA tourney!  Georgetown was NOT ranked #1 in the country at the outset - Michigan was - 'nova beat them in the second round.

And for d1 final fours, I still rank NCState over Houston's 'Phi Slamma Jamma' as even a bigger upset than what 'nova did.

The point for THIS board is that, while Hope over MUC would be a HUGE (ALMOST unimaginable) upset, even bigger upsets have occurred.  Keep HOPE alive! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 17, 2006, 06:51:39 am
Good luck to Hope this weekend and safe travels to all playoff teams!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 17, 2006, 07:09:00 am
Man, you guys are just too nice.  :)

Safe travels to Alliance this weekend!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section13raiderfan on November 17, 2006, 03:59:35 pm
For all you Hope fans who think playing Mount Union at home is an impossible task.
A  team from Texas with the initials UMHB will disagree with you. It took a last second Hail Mary to do it...but it happened. I pray it doesnt happen again..but it happened. Just back yer boys and all will be well anyways. I hope you enjoy the contest ( but I hope we enjoy it more) and also enjoy you day in Alliance.

God Bless Bo Schembeckler. Rest in Peace. Remember you Meeeechiganners...he was from Ohio and he graduated from THE Ohio State University. No wonder he was good for TSUN!    Just had to get that in. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 17, 2006, 09:44:45 pm
The one Michigan-OSU game I remember is the 1974 match-up in which a last-second Michigan field-goal attempt went awry. (Thought it looked good from on TV.) OSU ended up winning, 12-10. :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 17, 2006, 09:53:21 pm
WLCAlum83-
Are you going back to your Alma Mater for the NC/CUW game tomorrow?  If you are,  stop by the pressbox after the game, I would like to meet you.  I will be calling the game with Wes Anderson.  I will be wearing my Elmhurst Windbreaker, so I can be easily spotted. Hehe
Good luck to Hope and all playoff teams on Sunday.  Tis' the weekend for upsets!  :P ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2006, 10:02:23 pm
God Bless Bo Schembeckler. Rest in Peace. Remember you Meeeechiganners...he was from Ohio and he graduated from THE Ohio State University. No wonder he was good for TSUN!    Just had to get that in. ;)

While Bo had solid Ohio roots (and never had the antipathy for OSU that Woody had [or feigned] for TSUN), make no mistake about it - for the last half of his life, Bo was TOTALLY a 'Michigan Man'!  (When Bill Frieder gave 3-weeks notice on the verge of the 1989 bball tourney, Bo (then both AD and fball coach) fired him on the spot and angrily announced "A Michigan Man will coach Michigan, not an Arizona State Man".  Sure enough, 3 weeks later it was erst-while assistant coach Steve Fisher cutting down the net after Michigan's only bball national championship.)

Despite his gruff public persona, Bo was a 'teddy bear' at heart - he was beloved by former players, whether stars or end-of-benchers.  After the death of his beloved first wife, 'Millie', he raised tens of millions of dollars for cancer research.  I'm not ashamed to admit that I have been tearing up periodically all day, and I never even met the guy!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 18, 2006, 05:52:30 am
WLCAlum83-
Are you going back to your Alma Mater for the NC/CUW game tomorrow?  If you are,  stop by the pressbox after the game, I would like to meet you.  I will be calling the game with Wes Anderson.  I will be wearing my Elmhurst Windbreaker, so I can be easily spotted. Hehe
Good luck to Hope and all playoff teams on Sunday.  Tis' the weekend for upsets!  :P ;)
l

Sorry, 79jaybird, doesn't look like I'll be able to make it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 18, 2006, 06:03:01 am
 I'll be away from my machine when the games begin:

   Go, Hope!  If you aren't able to pull off the upset, give Mount Union a darn good run for its' money!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 18, 2006, 01:29:02 pm
Hope's down 42-0 at the half.  Ouch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 18, 2006, 07:27:33 pm
Looks like the MIAA has a long way to go to compete on the national level.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bushman on November 18, 2006, 07:29:36 pm
Congrats to Hope, I thought you played as hard as you could.  I also hope the player that was hurt is going to be OK.  I saw him waive to the crowd as he left the stadium.  Once again you never gave up and played hard and showed excellent sportsmanship.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 18, 2006, 07:49:34 pm
Congratulations Hope on your great season, despite what happened this afternoon.  They don't call them the Purple Machine for nothing and still should hold your heads up high b/c you are the 2006 MIAA Champs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 18, 2006, 07:54:32 pm
Keep your heads up Dutchman you weren't the only losers today.  Congrats to a fine season and conference championship.  Look forward to coming up there next year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: theaprof on November 18, 2006, 08:20:01 pm
Congrats to Hope for a hard fought game.  I hope that Mr. Oostervan who was injured is okay--he played a whale of a game.  It was very heartening to see him wave to the stands as he was wheeled off the field.  I can't imagine how hard it was for all of the players to get back into the game after the injury.  I was pleased to see that the NCAA allowed his parents to come out onto the field.

Maybe we can meet again next year.  Congratulations again for a fine season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 18, 2006, 10:49:32 pm
"You weren't the only losers today"
Dutchfan2004  I personally wouldn't call anybody losers this afternoon.  Yes there were the teams that got the W's and L's but to make it into the Playoffs, put all your heart into the game(s), etc.  these young men are NOT losers.
Hope is a champion this year.  They might not have made it to the 2nd round, but they are still the 2006 MIAA Champion that is respectable.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rscl70 on November 19, 2006, 08:42:26 am
Congratulations to Hope on your championship season.  Perhaps weíll meet in the playoffs again next year.  Reports here this morning are that Oostveen was treated and released.  Best wishes to him and his family for a quick recovery from any lingering effects of that hit.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section13raiderfan on November 19, 2006, 09:21:07 am
This Raiderfan was pleased to read in the morning paper that Nick Osterveen was treated and released from the hospital. Nobody wants to see anybodys kid leave the field on a backboard.  It was awful watching his parents apprehensively walk out there, not knowning what they would encounter when they got there. Thankfully the hospital is so close to the stadium if you need it.

To the Dutchman faithful who made the drive to Alliance to back your boys....take heart...your team is quite young and the best is still ahead for them. The underlying talent is there...it needs more experience...but its there.

Your cheerleders were great. You should call them the FLYING Dutchwomen. They had a tough job but seemed pleased to do it anyways.

Sorry about them Wolverines......wanna rematch?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 19, 2006, 11:35:33 am
If I was voting, I would have the rematch (UM/OSU) in the National Championship Game.  Big 10 is Football to me.  None of the (business) with the SEC, Pac 10 etc.  Stagg, Schembechler, Hayes, etc. are football pioneers and all from the Big 10.
Glad to read that Osterveen is out of the hospital.  I wasn't at the game so could somebody fill me in on what happened?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2006, 07:34:45 pm
section13rf, rsc170, the aprof, jaybird:

Thanks for the kind comments and also your concern for Nick Oostveen.  He was not injured seriously and is doing fine.  Also, to you Mount followers, congrats on a fine win - we were impressed with Mount's team, particularly the speed and quickness.  Yes, perhaps we'll get another shot at Mount again next year ;).  Personally, I will be surprised if they do not win another Stagg Bowl this year.

To the Hope players and coaching staff, congratulations on a fine championship season and making the playoffs.  Thanks also to all of Hope's followers/supporters, family and fans.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 19, 2006, 09:39:40 pm
79jaybird,

That was a better way to put it.  The athletes are not losers themselves, but the teams did lose.  I just wanted them to know they weren't alone and it's not fun. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 20, 2006, 02:40:19 am
DutchFAn2004 I agree it is never a good feeling to lose in any sport, and at any level.  I am a hockey goalie and have been on both sides of a 7-0 score.  Nobody feels "worth" anything when they lose, but they sure do feel like a million dollars when they win!  ;)
Hope's a Champion and will be champion until almost a year from today. Congratulations again on the fine 2006 campaign and HOPEfully they can build on this. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2006, 01:36:11 pm
Congratulations to Alma's Josh Brehm on being named one of the 10 finalists for the Gagliardi DIII Award.    Excellent; I think he might have a very good chance at it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 22, 2006, 02:41:28 pm
HOPE  (no pun intended) you all have a Happy Thanksgiving Day tomorrow.  Those who are driving, have safe travels and eat lots of Turkey.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2006, 04:07:32 pm
formerd3db,

Sounds like Nick O. was in good hands with your medical staff as my personal experience can attest (back in 1999). 

Anyways, thats great news about his release/not being seriously hurt.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.  Go Lions?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2006, 06:27:47 pm
SaintsFAN:

Yes, that was good news.  Thanks friend and Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.  As far as the Lions, wouldn't it be the usual (historical) "irony" is Harrington has another big game and this time against his old teammates? ;D

jaybird:
I would like to ditto your comments in wishing you and everyone else here and on the other boards an enjoyable and safe Thanksgiving holiday.  Despite life's roadblocks from time to time, I think we all have a lot to be thankful for when it comes down to it.

P.S. Hope everyone is not a glutant and eat too much turkey and pumpkin pie! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 25, 2006, 06:24:09 pm
I hear that Adrian's new offensive coordinator will open up their offense a ton.  I'm talkin 4 and 5 wides every play.  Any truth to that anyone???  Also, what are your opinions on what the MIAA needs to do to get a team past the 1st round and finally get some respect?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 25, 2006, 06:59:06 pm
As far as MIAA future playoff success--someone's definitely going to have to do a better job non-conference as well as in-conference. (Hope's winless non-conference record was a contributing factor to the Flying Dutchmen's unfortunate playoff placement). Albion had the best non-conference record but had a down year otherwise.

Another MIAA team to watch out for next year is Tri-State. (How many more upsets will Coach Land have up his sleeve?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 25, 2006, 10:28:03 pm
I agree, Tri-State will be a team that will be competitive in every game.  They have a lot of young talent and a good coaching staff.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2006, 04:17:24 pm
Although we've discussed this to some extent earlier in the year, I agree.  The MIAA teams need to schedule upper tier non-conference teams to help prepare them for post-season play.  It takes a few years to improve one's level of play by doing this, but does work.  It did back in the late'70's just when the MIAA was beginning to be allowed to go to the playoffs; it helped in the mid-'80's to some extent as well - remembering, though, that the playoffs had only 8 spots then and in regards to that, comparatively, I believe the MIAA teams were better in talent to face some of those playoff teams than they are now.

Hope in long time past has played some DII teams as did Alma and Hope  has continued series with Wheaton, DePauw, and previously Wabash and at times DIAA teams, as does Albion.  With Alma scheduling DII teams and some teams such as Wittenburg as they have can't hurt.  Again, it does take a few years of continuously doing this to eventually see the results, but it needs to be done on a continual basis.

One of the potential challenges is the travel factor as many of the "nationally" ranked teams are a long distance away and schools like to (i.e. need to) attempt to keep travel costs down and as such usually like to only schedule on real long distance trip if that.  Also, playing DII and DIAA teams, while making it a great experience, doesn't actually help in the ratings for any teams that would qualify in the Pool C column, if that were to occur (i.e. example possibly is Deficance this year in the HCAC), although the majority of the time that won't be an issue as the AQ is present anyway for the title winner.  On the other hand, I think there are enough upper tier DIII teams in the 4 state region are that MIAA schools can schedule to accomplish the desired objective.
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on November 27, 2006, 06:08:22 am
WLCALUM,

I see what you mean when you say Hope's non-conference 0-3 showing didn't help their playoff placement, but do you think a 3-0 record vs. non-conference opponents with a combined record of, say, 6-24 would have been a better thing?  The teams that Hope went 0-3 against finished something like 26-4, I believe.  Is the answer to schedule non-conference cupcakes and look good to the committee or to play the best and let the chips fall?  It would appear that Hope learned this year, that losses to good teams doesn't do much for you in the seeding.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 27, 2006, 06:58:16 am
Tough call there, but I'd still err on the side of playing upper echelon (not necessarily ranked) teams.
Just for comparison, I looked at another playoff team (Concordia, WI) schedule and the only "strong" non-conference team on their schedule was North Central. (The Falcons' 2 other non-conference opponents--, Simpson and WLC--combined had only 3 wins all season).  Concordia also went undefeated in conference, but didn't break into the Top 25 until the final regular season poll.

Then there's the overall strength factor of each conference. From what little this poster has read, both Hope's and Concordia WI's conferences appear to have been weaker in terms of nationwide reputation, to this point, anyway.

In contrast, yearly power Hardin-Simmons of Texas, (for example) would be on the other side of the spectrum, scheduling toughies from week to week like UW-Whitewater  and  Linfield--play like gangbusters for the most part in- a tougher top-to-bottom conference (by nationwide reputation)  (with ranked Mary Hardin Baylor among others) and still though being ranked all season,  have a dogfight on their hands to get in the playoffs. In a case like that, all it can take is one loss at the wrong time, as that squad found out in 2005.

To a certain extent, 1) it can be a crapshoot and 2) the MIAA is trying to buck a deck that appears to be somewhat stacked against it, at least for now.

(The above is not intended to be a bash-knock on the MIAA or any other conference mentioned.)



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2006, 12:20:15 pm
"No bashing taken"!  A good analysis of the dilemma.  Personally, (as I was attempting to explain) I believe that it helps a team more by scheduling tough non-conference teams because it will, in the majority of cases, over time, make your own team better and prepared for that type of competition.  Yes, it didn't help Hope that much this year, however, it depends on the team build-up of a particular year and this was a rebuilding year for Hope.  Besides, if your conference has the AQ like the MIAA does, then it's not a problem if you you go 0-3 non-conference, you get the bid anyway.  To me, seeding doesn't really make a difference in that regard because 1) you still have to be good (or play a great game) to win a playoff game and advance and 2) the NCAA is going to try and match teams for the shortest travel distance as much as possible anyway, and even if, for example, if Hope had an 8-2 record this year, they still would have been paired with a very good team in the north region regardless of who it was.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 28, 2006, 09:44:38 pm
I agree with formerd3db that you should schedule decent--great teams in non conference play.  I think playing teams that are at or better than your current level, will get you prepared for the 7 week conference slate.
Ex. Augustana always plays challenging teams in non conf. UW Platteville, Central IA as does Wheaton scheduling Albion/Hope/ in 2008 Concordia WI etc.  whereas teams like Carthage/Elmhurst/North Park (up until recently) North Central etc. playing Benedictine/Concordia IL, Eureka.  The talent difference is immense when comparing these non conference slates.    There is a direct corrollation between the teams that have scheduled toughies winning the CCIW over those that have scheduled creampuffs and not winning the CCIW.  My point here is that I believe teams should schedule challenging teams in non conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: odacbballfan on December 01, 2006, 10:13:44 am
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 04, 2006, 07:12:51 am
Don't forget to watch Taz Wallace in the Magnolia Classic (Blue-Grey Bowl) December 23rd.  He will be the only DIII player to compete in it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 05, 2006, 05:43:12 pm
Congratulations to Alma's Josh Brehm for making the Final Four as a Gagliardi Award candidate!

 :) ;) :D :) ;) :D 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on December 05, 2006, 06:54:18 pm
I was very happy to read about Brehm's placement on the final four list.  He was a phenomenal quarterback...lots of fun to watch during his career.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 05, 2006, 08:42:03 pm
Once again congrats to Josh Brehm on being named to the final 4...Great accomplishment!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 08, 2006, 05:06:13 pm
I join in with the others in congratulating Alma's Josh Brehm in being selected as a finalist for the Gagliardi Award.  I think he has a very good chance at winning the award. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2006, 05:28:58 pm
Pat reported elsewhere (NCAC?) that Brehm wasn't all-region only because he wasn't nominated - anyone know the story on his lack of nomination?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 08, 2006, 07:26:14 pm
That is the reason Brehm is not All-Region?  I thought it was once again a story of the MIAA getting snubbed.  However how do you not nominate a Gagliardi finalist???  I know I'm biased here but I do not agree with Taz Wallace being second team All-Region.  Granted the Bulldogs didn't have the season they wanted but he is still in the top three linebackers in the region if not in all of DIII.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 08, 2006, 08:07:52 pm
Easy reason for Broehm not being nominated is that their SID is really not very good at her job.  In talking with some Alma people she does little to nothing to promote players, they had the same thing happen with Josh Peters who if you remember was a 4 time all MIAA Player yet received little to no recogntion out of conference.  If they want their players to begin getting the recognition they deserve than they need a real SID.  I am also a bit biased but agree with the previous post by ACRulz about Taz Wallace.  The snubbin g he received for the second year in a row from the first team all region team blows my mind.  We are talking about a kid with 430+ tackles including another 130+ season this year.  Not to mention a ten tackel performance at the East Coast Bowl(IAA/II all star game) and the fact that as far as I know he is the only DIII player to be invited to the Magnolia bowl as well as having NFL teams looking at him to the tune of tapes being requested by the Chicago Bears.  Not to shabby for an LB who isnt even one of the best three in the reigon.  Enough cant be said about him, not on the field but off, you will also never meet a higher class person or better leader than Taz Wallace.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 12, 2006, 01:27:40 pm
Congratulations to Broehm for winning the Gagliardi Award. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 12, 2006, 05:02:36 pm
I second those props, 79jaybird!--it's a fitting end to a fine, fruitful career (a playoff game vs. Carthage in '04 and boatloads of new Alma school records set throughout--)  He sounds like a winner off the field as well.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on December 12, 2006, 06:12:40 pm
Congratulations to Josh Brehm for the Gagliardi win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 12, 2006, 06:19:43 pm
Indeed, congratulations to Alma's Brehm for winning the Gagliardi.  A great accomplishment and well-deserved, especially with his community service aspects.  It is nice recognition for him and, secondarily, the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 13, 2006, 01:15:23 am
I would also like to give my congratulations to Josh Brehm.  Great Job!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 13, 2006, 11:36:56 am
Just reading the front page article on Broehm shows that he must have been some talent to watch!  Wish I could have seen a few of his games.  Congrats again.  Any news/chances that he will go on to play somewhere and continue his playing?  (Europe, Arena, etc.)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on December 13, 2006, 08:00:53 pm
It was indeed a thrill to watch Brehm.  Countless times I was impressed by how cool-headed he stayed, even when things weren't going well for Alma as a whole.  Brehm is certainly deserving!  This has also been good PR for Alma and the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACfbfan on December 14, 2006, 11:53:44 am
There was word a little while ago around here that Brehm was being looked at by the Jets and Raiders.  No news recently though.  I would think he would probably go the CFL route or maybe Arena.  I'll let you guys know if I hear anything here though (I work for Alma :))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2006, 04:25:04 pm
There was word a little while ago around here that Brehm was being looked at by the Jets and Raiders.  No news recently though.  I would think he would probably go the CFL route or maybe Arena.  I'll let you guys know if I hear anything here though (I work for Alma :))

Thanks; yes, please keep us posted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2006, 11:32:55 am
Great photos of Alma's Josh Brehm and Head Coach Jim Cole at the Gagliardi Awards ceremony on this web's front page website (click on the appropriate area).  At least DIII has created its own atmosphere for the award like the DI Heisman. ;)  Also, some good photos of the teams practicing in Salem and the stadium.  Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 15, 2006, 02:19:52 pm
The Jets and Raiders must like MIAA football players.  Rumor is Taz Wallace is also being looked at by the Jets, Raiders and the Bears.  Also good luck to Taz Wallace who is leaving Sunday to participate in the Magnolia Classic.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2006, 02:50:54 pm
The Jets and Raiders must like MIAA football players.  Rumor is Taz Wallace is also being looked at by the Jets, Raiders and the Bears.  Also good luck to Taz Wallace who is leaving Sunday to participate in the Magnolia Classic.

Ditto in good luck wishes to Adrian's Taz Wallace in the Magnolia Classic and beyond.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hawk'ster on December 16, 2006, 11:00:06 pm
Adrian's Taz Wallace earned First Team All-American, nice.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Preto on December 16, 2006, 11:06:57 pm
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2006, 11:17:28 pm
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.

Actually, I thought he was Third Team AA according to the local papers today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2006, 11:20:11 pm
Anyway, congrats to all of those MIAA honorees mentioned (Wallace, Brehm, Cline) - some well-deserved post-season awards.  BTW, a good interview replay today Brehm with Pat Coleman on the D3fb.com Stagg Bowl pre-game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bushop on December 17, 2006, 12:04:39 pm
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.

Actually, I thought he was Third Team AA according to the local papers today.

Not according to the D3sports.com team (http://www.d3football.com/tow/06/allamericans.htm).  What AA team are you referring to?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 17, 2006, 01:04:14 pm
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.

Actually, I thought he was Third Team AA according to the local papers today.

Not according to the D3sports.com team (http://www.d3football.com/tow/06/allamericans.htm).  What AA team are you referring to?

According to the local paper, in an article from New York, it was the Associated Press Little All-America, and he was a thrid team selection.  The Little AA team is comprised of Division II and III players.  Alma's Brehm, despite winning the Gagliardi Trophy as the most outstanding player in DIII, was not on the AA Little AA team as DII quarterbacks were chosen.  GVSU's Finnerty was on one of those teams, and he was the runner-up for the Harlon Hill Trophy, awarded for the most outstanding player in DII.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 17, 2006, 02:06:12 pm
Yes, congrats to Brehm, Cline, and Wallace on their well deserved All-American honors.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 18, 2006, 09:39:54 am
It looks like Ithaca High School is well represented on the All-American Teams (Brehm, Cline).  Maybe the rest of the MIAA should try to pry away some talent from that area.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 20, 2006, 05:03:19 pm
formerd3db,

you have mail.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bushop on December 20, 2006, 08:40:07 pm
Yes, congrats to Brehm, Cline, and Wallace on their well deserved All-American honors.

Which all-american list is Brehm (Alma) on?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 23, 2006, 12:57:38 pm
HOPE you all have a very merry Christmas and happy New Year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2006, 09:32:47 am
HOPE you all have a very merry Christmas and happy New Year.

Ditto the above. :)  For those traveling, be careful and safe journies.  I've enjoyed posting and the discussions with all of you this past year.  Wishing everyone all the best for 2007.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 24, 2006, 12:14:04 pm
D3DB - You got mail.

Pat what happened to the HCSC board, it is no longer showing up or i am going stupid...either is a strong possibility
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2006, 11:16:33 pm
D3DB - You got mail.

Pat what happened to the HCSC board, it is no longer showing up or i am going stupid...either is a strong possibility

dc alum:  You have mail in return! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 30, 2006, 12:57:40 pm
Happy New Year to each and all.  Hope 2007 is prosperous for everybody.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 30, 2006, 01:24:58 pm
Ditto on jaybird's well-wishes for everyone.  BTW, not much activity going on here in our board, but I guess that might perhaps because the MIAA doesn't have any coaching vacancies or controversies going on right now! :)  Still, it will be great when we reach page 100 of posts!  At least we're now ahead of the HCAC guys, but only by default; no fault of theirs! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 31, 2006, 12:11:47 pm
formerd3db-  Now you are at 100 on the Karma!   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 31, 2006, 02:25:40 pm
jaybird:
Hey, now what a nice way to start out the New Year.  My thanks to you and everyone and, more importantly, thanks for some great discussions.  BTW, you are getting up there now too!  No more in the negative!! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 08:27:53 pm
Happy New Year, All Posters!

This one's MIAA wish list for 2007:

1-- WLC wins at least one football game:
2-- Tri-State continues to improve:
3-- The MIAA playoff rep wins at least one playoff game:

 :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on January 02, 2007, 01:30:37 pm
I think WLC will start improving (records wise) once they move to the NAC after this year.  Hopefully they continue to improve. That is a pretty school up there in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2007, 05:30:31 pm
WLCALUM83:

I'd like to see those events occur too (except, obviously, no wins for WLC and Tri-State against Hope! ;D).  I think both will improve in time.  Personally, while I realize it is good and in the best interests for WLC to move to their new conference after the 2007 season, I will be sad to see them go.  They have made a fine contribution to the MIAA and certainly helped out when needed as far as the AQ was concerned.  I wish your alma mater all the best in their future program when they move.  Thanks also for your contributions to the MIAA board - you'll be missed after next year, although obviously, we'll have you and your colleagues around for at least one more season.  Hope your holidays were enjoyable.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2007, 05:34:14 pm
BTW, has anyone heard any further information about Tri-State's proposed new football stadium?  When we were down at the game there this fall, some of their student-athletes told me that they were actually going to improve Shive Field and build a domed facility.  If that is going to occur, that indeed would be impressive.  They should, though, at least put in the new synthetic turf as the field condition was not good.  Appreciate any follow-up info any of you might have - thanks. (I suppose I could check their website, but haven't as yet ;D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 03, 2007, 10:06:45 pm
Speaking of new turf.
Albion would be served well to upgrade to synthetic grass.
With the number of grads, and success the school traditionally has in Football I would think they could raise the cash.

Our senior year in HS our school built a new field and it had Turf Grass like Ford Field. it was great. Soft and fast, no real turf burns like the CARPET in the Pontiac Silverdome. Talk about a brick and turf burns!

FB, Soccer, Lacrosse all utilized the field as well as the track being built around it from track and field.

Though I did miss the mud and snow, that really made it feel like playoff football. Since we were a power run team the muddy fields and slow high grass always helped us.

Changed the style of play and players for Soccer as it became a fast field and out of bounds became an issue even with the full size field now being available. Ball just rolled more.

My number one wish for the MIAA is a playoff win maybe ven two just to be greedy.


Happy New Year folks
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2007, 04:16:26 pm
D306:

I'm wondering, too, when the remaining MIAA schools might install the synthetic turf fields (Field Turf, AstroPlay) now that Alma, Olivet and Adrian have them.  While I agree that "good old grass" is neat for football from a "traditional standpoint", I admit that I like the new synthetic turfs.  As you point out for both of these, no (or rarely if any) "carpet burns" and a big advantage for multiple team sports usage (and less maintainance).  Cost of the turf and its installment probably would not be as much for Hope, Albion (and perhaps Tri-State) as it would be for Kazoo, since those others schools have stadiums in place requiring less renovation/improvements for the field than Angell Field (maybe ???).  Now, all they need to do is get some rich alumni (or one individual very rich alum ;D) to donate for the projects, and they'll be all set! ;)  It will be interesting to see if any of this occurs in the next couple of years or so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 05, 2007, 08:27:33 pm
D3DB

I agree with some of the numerous successfull grads from the MIAA, and a little pledge and fund raising I would think they all could get the monies.

Would help in the recruitment of players also.
Many of the HS have "turf" in the newer suburbs and cities. Some kids may think their HS fields were nicer than the Colleges at this point.

I like the traditions in many of the MIAA stadiums, so you must be carefull to keep that traditional feel and look, if these are updated to "turf"
The great and long history of some of the MIAA colleges is something to be proud of, nourished , and preserved.

Do not to ruin a stadium like the "spaceship" that landed on Soldier field in Chicago. Spoiled a legendary stadium with that mess.

Miss college football already, only the OSU trouncing of Florida left.
Pro football does not have the same feel to me, not sure why I think it is the "showboating" and self promotion of to many players and advertisements.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 05, 2007, 11:28:54 pm
D306:
I couldn't agree with you more.  Indeed, the remaining MIAA stadiums i.e. Albion and Kazoo (with the exception being Hope's Holland Munincipal Stadium and WLC and Tri-State since they are all newer) have a that great old traditional feeling and basically being on the original fields.  Keeping that "atmosphere" is a good aspect and important (at least it is to me! ;D) and I think Olivet accomplished this by keeping their stadium renovation on their original field of over 100 years.  That being said, we can't really put Adrian's beautiful new stadium or the others in that category (except perhaps Alma since theirs remained on part of their old 1929 field, albeit switching positions a bit with the then baseball field), but these new ones are in a somewhat different light.  Holland Munincipal has a great "semi-bowl-like" setting and is a more modern style; Adrian's while very modern is similar, yet what makes the latter's attractive is it's return to an "on campus" stadium.   I think that was very important for the Adrian students although the college certainly shared a very good relationship with the high school and its community over the recent decades when at Maple Stadium (which is a neat stadium itself).  Overall, if Hope, Kazoo and Tri-State put in turf, it will make those fields/stadiums even more attractive.

I also think you hit on an additional important point.  Since many of the high schools have now put in wonderful, expensive modern stadiums with state-of-the art facilities, and the turfs, indeed the small colleges have to upgrade their stadiums to be able to attract student-athletes for football (and the other sports that use their stadiums).  It doesn't look good to a propective recruit to come to a college, even if it is a small college, when their own high school stadium is light years ahead of the college's.  That is one aspect (although among other aspects) that was a hinderance to Olivet for a long time.  Paticularly, in this era, when it is becoming more difficult to recruit due to costs and competition from the DII schools in the state, this is one area the small schools i.e. MIAA schools need to keep up on.  Zeeland's newest and 2nd h.s. Zeeland West built a beautiful facilitity, bricked stadium, brick and iron fencing around the field giving it that "old style feeling" and, of course, the new turf.  Kind of makes Holland Munincipal feel even more behind the times perhaps, although obviously not entirely.

Anyway, as we've discussed, it will be interesting to see what happens, although again, I think it might be another year or so at least before considerations for this become "real"??!!!  On the other hand, maybe the process will start moving faster.  Thanks for your input and opinions.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on January 07, 2007, 09:01:27 pm
What's new with Olivet?  Any Comets that could give me an update.  I have a feeling Olivet is going to be real strong in 2007.  They sure showed me a lot of spunk when we played them last year.  I think if you were to take away those two costly turnovers that led to 14 points early,  I think the Comets stood a good shot at beating us.  I remember they were mostly Sophs/Juniors too, which makes me think they are going to be pretty strong this Fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 08, 2007, 01:02:18 am
Witt has them online for next season as well.

Think they are a very dangerous team.  If they had/have a player like Almas Brehm they could be North Region contenders given their offensive philosophy and evolution.

Several of the games they lost last season scared the heavily favored opponents right down to the last whistle.

Wont go into the whole coaching carousel and the xs and os of two major systems being hybrid at Olivet, but lets just say there are some peculair talents and developed skills lurking that could lead to what might be viewed in the early season as upsets.

Their coach is very experienced and proud.  The next few years could help to put them on the map.  The windows brief as players with skills from the former regime will turn over within the next two to three years, but if this thing gets on track they could be the next real contender from the MIAA.

signed,
sixkiller and lujack
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2007, 06:16:30 pm
Thanks, formerd3db. 

I didn't think they had to do much in there, but doctor called me on Saturday.  My labrum was detached, rotator cuff was torn and the bicep was detached.  In addition to all that, they had to shave down the humerus and another bone in there so the rotator cuff didn't get roughed up again.   I'm sure I'll be glad I had all that done, but this is the most pain I've been in. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2007, 06:24:33 pm
SaintsFAN:
You are welcome.  See my reply post to you on the HCAC board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on January 09, 2007, 10:19:42 am
"my labrum was detached, rotator cuff was torn, and the bicep was detached..."
SaintsFan,  your nickname is not Lucky is it?  ;)  Sorry I couldn't pass that one up!
Hopefully you return to full health soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 18, 2007, 08:36:02 pm
Thanks, Jay...  no it definitely isn't.

The injuries came from repetitive motion...ie throwing.  Insurance took their time to approve the surgery so as a result of the wait the bicep injury occured. 

I'm just glad we found all of it...

formerd3db

check the front page and HCAC page.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 21, 2007, 12:10:35 am
It sure is quite on this board!  I guess most of you are concentrating on the BB season and upcoming spring sports in our MIAA ;)  Not much apparently going on in the MIAA football world it appears!  At this rate, our friends on the HCAC board are going to surpass us quickly in postings, despite them having to start all over again with the mysterious loss of post countings!! ;D  I guess I should include myself in this since I've not posted much here either (at least not much about any MIAA fb info in all honesty! :-[).  Anyway, if you have any news about what's going on at your MIAA school fbwise, let us know!  Thanks my friends.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cowman on January 23, 2007, 12:44:09 am

Two side notes, was anybody as surprised as I was to see Kirk Cousins was offered a scholarship to play QB at MSU, I mean I know they're dissapointed about losing Nichol but is Cousins really a Big Ten talent. Would love to hear more on that from somebody who knows more about him.


Ask someone from Zeeland West ..... 55 - 21
To me, it seems like Cousins and Josh Rooks  (Northwestern) would have had wonderful careers at a place lke Hope instead of sitting the bench or getting their heads kicked in while in the Big Ten. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2007, 06:25:05 am

Two side notes, was anybody as surprised as I was to see Kirk Cousins was offered a scholarship to play QB at MSU, I mean I know they're dissapointed about losing Nichol but is Cousins really a Big Ten talent. Would love to hear more on that from somebody who knows more about him.


Ask someone from Zeeland West ..... 55 - 21
To me, it seems like Cousins and Josh Rooks  (Northwestern) would have had wonderful careers at a place lke Hope instead of sitting the bench or getting their heads kicked in while in the Big Ten. 

It might not be so much that particular player alone as Michigan State appears to be re-loading across the board (what with getting rid of Coach Smith, and QB Stanton graduating and all). Just my .02.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 23, 2007, 12:26:51 pm
Long time since I posted.

What does everyone think of a D3 player, transfering to D1.
Especially a team like MSU whom was mentioned above.
MSU is having a whole sale change of Coachs and hopefully attitude.
I would think some solid Sophomore or Junior could catch some eyes in East Lansing.
Especially someone whom may have been hurt or has grown alot after HS and was overlooked or thought of as injuried during their Recruitment ages of 17 and 18.

I have seen several of the MSU Freshman, and Sophomores play, and some of the D3 players in the MIAA could compete, if not outproduce.
I know many of the decsions are based not only on skills but opportunities and or recognition. It is the number of kids of quality skill that the D1 schools have that makes to difference.

It is a big jump in time committment for a D3 player with the travel, and sheer speed of the league. I think that is the biggest change is the speed and size that the skill players have. The lineman are huge and fast, that you cannot coach or train yourself to be fast, you either are fast or you are not.

Tough call for the SB I think Indy wins, but I like Rex he has been taking a lot of S#%* and would love to see him pull it out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on January 23, 2007, 01:58:31 pm
D306:
I couldn't agree with you more.  Indeed, the remaining MIAA stadiums i.e. Albion and Kazoo (with the exception being Hope's Holland Munincipal Stadium and WLC and Tri-State since they are all newer) have a that great old traditional feeling and basically being on the original fields.  Keeping that "atmosphere" is a good aspect and important (at least it is to me! ;D) and I think Olivet accomplished this by keeping their stadium renovation on their original field of over 100 years.  That being said, we can't really put Adrian's beautiful new stadium or the others in that category (except perhaps Alma since theirs remained on part of their old 1929 field, albeit switching positions a bit with the then baseball field), but these new ones are in a somewhat different light.  Holland Munincipal has a great "semi-bowl-like" setting and is a more modern style; Adrian's while very modern is similar, yet what makes the latter's attractive is it's return to an "on campus" stadium.   I think that was very important for the Adrian students although the college certainly shared a very good relationship with the high school and its community over the recent decades when at Maple Stadium (which is a neat stadium itself).  Overall, if Hope, Kazoo and Tri-State put in turf, it will make those fields/stadiums even more attractive.

I also think you hit on an additional important point.  Since many of the high schools have now put in wonderful, expensive modern stadiums with state-of-the art facilities, and the turfs, indeed the small colleges have to upgrade their stadiums to be able to attract student-athletes for football (and the other sports that use their stadiums).  It doesn't look good to a propective recruit to come to a college, even if it is a small college, when their own high school stadium is light years ahead of the college's.  That is one aspect (although among other aspects) that was a hinderance to Olivet for a long time.  Paticularly, in this era, when it is becoming more difficult to recruit due to costs and competition from the DII schools in the state, this is one area the small schools i.e. MIAA schools need to keep up on.  Zeeland's newest and 2nd h.s. Zeeland West built a beautiful facilitity, bricked stadium, brick and iron fencing around the field giving it that "old style feeling" and, of course, the new turf.  Kind of makes Holland Munincipal feel even more behind the times perhaps, although obviously not entirely.

Anyway, as we've discussed, it will be interesting to see what happens, although again, I think it might be another year or so at least before considerations for this become "real"??!!!  On the other hand, maybe the process will start moving faster.  Thanks for your input and opinions.   


Adrian's new stadium is definitely one of the better in D III but you are right, it did sacrifice some of the tradition of playing at Maple Stadium.  I played at The Mape myself, one part of the tradition I will not miss is the Yellow Bus ride to the stadium and meeting in the elementary school at halftime.  On the whole I think it is a good thing that so many schools are upgrading their facilities.  As a conference I think we need this to compete with other leagues that have great complexes.  Albion's is not bad and Hope's is right there also with the exception of being a bit antiquated, in my opinion.  Hope College, the dressing in the swimming pool locker rooms has to go, $20 million+ for a basketball arena but the football facilities???  Anyway it would be nice if all fields had turf at the very least, which is still an expensive project.  But you are right hopefully this process will start moving faster.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 30, 2007, 03:06:28 pm
Anybody do any looking into the depth charts around the MIAA?
Whom looks strong next year?
I have not yet, but will star checking the returning talent, and possibly any transfers out of the MIAA.
Moneys tight so I expect several MIAA kids are heading to Public Universities this winter and Fall semesters.

RE: Superbowl my heart says DA' Bears, my head says the Colts.
I hope it is at least a game, so many SB are flat out blowouts.

27-24 DA Bears since I have to go with my Heart and there is no money here to lose.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 02, 2007, 08:41:49 am
Seeing as us Wisconsin natives are due to go into a deep freeze weather-wise, thought I'd pass this along:

(Pre-historic comic strip B. C.)

1st slide:  B. C:  "Hello, Operator??"

                Operator:  Yes??

                B. C. "Could you give me the area code for the North Pole?"

2nd slide:  Operator:  "One moment, please, while I look that up."

3rd (and last) slide:  Operator:  "It's n-n-n-nine  f-f-f-five  t-t-t-two."

   Ba dumm bumm! :-X :o :-X :o :-X :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on February 02, 2007, 10:29:48 am
I hear that Adrian has lost out on the Schneider kid from Addison.  I guess he is going to Ferris State for the pharmacy program.  Also I hear they may be landing the Dameron kid from Ann Arbor Pioneer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 17, 2007, 04:34:57 pm
I was on Tri State's website today looking for some information on some of their basketball players, and stumbled upon some of their campus improvement plans, including their new domed football facility.  It looks like it's going to be a pretty nice setup, although there are no sketches of the inside of the building.  That being said, I'm still not convinced an indoor facility is necessary, ideal, or even desirable, and if it were my school, I'd have a lot of questions that would need to be answered.  Regardless of my personal reservations, it is good to see Tri State upgrade its facilities--the old stadium really lacked character.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 17, 2007, 09:38:51 pm
bulldogalum:

I actually heard about that new facility when we were at Tri-State for the Hope football game.  I talked with several current athletes there who related the plans to me.  While this will certainly be a "new innovation" for the league, an indoor facility is not a bad idea.  Obviously, there are pros/cons to this.  First, Northern Michigan has had one for years (as has Syracuse) and definitley in the bad weather extremes (rain, snow, cold), this will be an advantage.  The field at the Hope game there this year was a mess regarding the turf, sidelines etc.  In this era, the new synthetic turfs are here to stay and TSU will obviously be upgrading and joining the likes of Adrian, Olivet and Hope.  Admittedly, the traditionalists of football natural fields will not care for this, however, the advantages of synthetic turf for a smaller school such as Tri-State, Alma, Adrian, Olivet, etc. are numrous as many of us have discussed this here (and others on the other boards) many times in the past.  IMO, Hope needs to advance to that as well for their stadium (natural turf has always been a problem there), although that is slightly more of a challenge since the stadium is under the city's administration.  But even the new Zeeland West has a nicer field and stadium that Hope/Holland does now in some of those aspects.  (Albion's neat Sprankle-Sprandel Stadium with its Morley Fraser Field would be greatly enhanced and be "awesome" if synthetic turf was put in).

Getting back to Tri-State, they will also be using this for lacrosse, which like at Adrian, will be a full varisty sport there for both men and women next year.  Although outdoor lacrosse, like football is a very exciting atmosphere, the indoor lacrosse game is great as well.  A school like Tri-State (actually for that matter all the MIAA and even the smallest DIII schools like Eureka, etc.) have to "keep up with the Joneses (sp? ??? ;D)" if they want to continue to attract good student-athletes and thereby also support and further solidify and build-up the school (Adrian is doing that in their own way as you well know).  It is a competitive world out there for the small schools in regards to attracting and retaining students, especially with the high cost of a small private four year liberal arts college or university.  They have to do it, or fall behind.

Overall, I like the concept of the domed stadium and I think it will be good for Tri-State.  On the other hand, I will admit, I'm glad some of the schools will be keeping their traditional outdoor stadiums albeit with new synthetic turf.  Now, if we could only get Kazoo to put the latter in at Angell Stadium/Field! :D ;D.
What do some of your other colleagues think about this Tri-State plan?

BTW, I was also glad to see Tri-State preserving their remaining historic college structures.  You and I talked about that re: Adrian (and of course, Hope, Olivet and Albion).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 18, 2007, 12:05:22 pm
Formerd3db:

Yeah, I sort of agree with the indoor facility from a weather perspective, although I'd be willing to bet that Marquette and Syracuse get significantly higher snowfall each year, with more potential for early season storms, than does Angola.  Still, it'll be nice to know that games there in the end of October will be every bit as nice as games in September. 

It's a shame to see all the demise of the natural field surface--I always enjoy watching a mud bowl type game--but this field turf is so realistic, and such a better and more consistent surface, that it's much more practical for schools to spend a big chunk of money once rather than small chunks of money each year.

I agree that field turf at Albion would do a lot to help the allure of that facility, but of course, I wouldn't want to give Albion any ideas on how to steal more of Hope's and Adrian's recruits, now would I? ;)  They have a fantastic facility, it's only a shame that whenever I walked onto the field last season, I sunk down at least 4 or 5 inches in the mud.  That's the problem with building a stadium so close to the river, I guess.

As for Lacrosse, Adrian and Tri State will have full varsity programs.  Hope has a strong club program going, I would have to imagine that the rest of the league can't be far behind.  This has the looks of a budding league sport.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 18, 2007, 02:55:57 pm
bulldogalum:

Yes, that's right - we wouldn't want Adrian or Hope's advantages to be lessened!

Although this is the fb board, I will just mention that Calvin has perhaps the best lacrosse team in the MIAA right now (they are also club status).  They went to the CCLA regional tournatment last year (winner of the MIAA usually skips the MIAA season ending tournament to go to the CCLA regional) and went on to the national collegiate club lacrosse national championships administrated by the U.S. Lacrosse Association last year in Dallas (U of Mich and MSU are also in the CCLA with the MIAA teams although in Section A).

Albion has a good lax team as does Alma, however, right now I would say that for this season Calvin, Hope and Adrian are the initial pre-season teams to beat.  Hope scrimmaged Calvin last week and the latter is picking up right where they left off.  I believe that Tri-State is not fielding a team until next spring in 2008, but it will be varsity along with Adrian.  Hopefully, Olivet and Kazoo will follow and that all the MIAA teams will be elevated to "varisity status".  Right now, the only difference is that the teams only receive minimal amount of financial assistance from their respective colleges while having to raise the remainder of funding themselves and counting on donations as well.  The teams, however, are still under the auspices of the college.  Both U of Mich and MSU are run the same way, although it is my understanding that both are lobbying hard for eleveation to varisity status (MSU used to be up until the early '90's - title IX had much to do with it).  Some of the MIAA schools have women's teams as well and personally, I see both men's and women's lax as becoming varisty sports in the next 2-3 years - and hopefully sooner).

One last aspect: the NCAA Lax Championships all divisions DI, DII and DIII were all held at the NFL's Eagles stadium in Philadelphia last Memorial Weekend.  The attendance for the DIII game was >25,000 and 51,000 for the DI game.  Likewise, the collegiate club U.S. Lax championships had very good crowds down in Dallas last spring it is my understanding.  So we'll see what goes for this year.  Hope's non-conference games are vs. DII schools (and we may have a game lined up against a DI and certainly for next year).  Anyway, sorry for the lax "pitch" here on the fb board.  I'll keep these on the lax board in the future.  Let's have some of you MIAA posters contribute over there at your convenience - check DIII independents/club programs category.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 19, 2007, 05:56:10 pm
formerd3db,

Did you get a chance to see Olivet play last season?  See they have returning offensive playmakers at receiver, tight end and running back; not to mention two offensive linemen that garnered some all MIAA accolades.

Could save the defensive discussion for later, am most interested in the freshman, soon to be sophomore running back, Clasgens.  Not phenomenal numbers, but pretty decent yards per rush.  An apparent double wing set up of sorts looking at the numbers of the next two leading rushers making for nearly 1200 yards rushing amongst the top three with a near even split after the leader, though numbers do not always tell the whole story.

Do we have any youtube on these guys? 

Have not looked for the stats on returning quarterbacks, but assuming Livedotti has returned to his ways of a spread. Expecting the quarterback must be more than capable to make it click.  The fact the tight end garnered such attention indicates an ability to formation people.

Felt Alma had the distinct disadvantage of playing at Witt, could be a dangerous and unassuming MIAA run for the Tigers considering Olivet beat Alma last year.  Guess no win is discounted, but Alma gets the homefield and Olivet might be a more capable road team.

Always nice to get a win over a team with a Gagliardi, but things always seem to work in cycles, and maybe the MIAA dropped back and burned the fields to come back even stronger with regards to gleaning talent.  Felt the same was true for the NCAC and saw some perennial bottom dwellers rise due not only to gleaning higher standards at the top, but enhanced ability on their part as recruits were able to envision winning against the big boys.   The leagues were down last year and remember the MIAA being torn a new one by the press, but an individual honor of such esteem as the Gagliardi for a conference team surely will enhance the conference recruiting and team efforts. Russian battle tactic or Redwood ecology, one or the other.

In Pigskin,
Billy Jack Haynes the Wildman from Oregon
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 19, 2007, 09:58:17 pm
MacLeod:

Yes, I did see Olivet against us (Hope) last year.  They gave us a tough game and could almost have won it.  However, Hope was on a roll then with improved play, intensity and attitude.  Anyway, I agree with you in that I think Olivet will be a dangerous team this fall and IMO, just might be among the top contenders for the title, with some of the returners as you mentioned.  They were sort of a "Jeckle and Hyde" team this past season.

The NCAC and MIAA "bottom feeders" as somewhat similar I think in that they have started a trend of improvement and while they will never be the yearly "powers" in the league that the others have been, it is nice to see them improving.  Remember Olivet was and 8-2 team just a couple of years ago and came within a game of the title and NCAA bid.  Lividotti in this second time around as HC appears to have maintained a solid base from his co-year administration with Siegler.  Only time will tell and I think this season for them will be a key one with regard to the program direction.

As far as the remainder of the MIAA, we've all had the discussion in the past about what the teams need to do to attain the "next level" i.e. advancing in the NCAA playoffs.  The problems with competing in recruiting with all the DII schools, of course, has played a part in this in recent years, yet with the student-athletes these schools do get, there is no reason why they can't progress.  Again, as I've said before, I believe the key is playing tougher non-conference opponents on a regular basis, even if it means losing some games.  Heck, way back in my day, we did that and I truly believe it helped, even though the playoffs were not an option during some of those years.  Anyway, thanks for your assesment and input.  Hopefully, some of our colleagues will post more here in this off-season - we've got to try and keep up with the other boards! ;) ::)

Signed,
"Pudge" Angell, Alma College

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 20, 2007, 03:53:51 pm
D3DB

Interesting topic regarding talent level in DIII.
I personally know several MIAA players whom had DII offers and preffered walk on status at DI schools.
These players elected to attend a DIII school(s) in the MIAA due to the superior education, and size of the colleges.

The sheer number of Higher Level, talented players, the time spent, and University resources applied is the diference between DII and DIII.

DII has a roster of partial scholarship players, and students that feel FB is the man driver for them in college. The DIII players have a range of skills, some are highly talented players whom have chosen to focus more on the educational aspects.

I guess I should clarify the statement regarding DII players, I am not trying to disparage anyone, many do not have the financial resources to make the choice of DIII premier schools. They may have chosen a DII school for numerous other reasons, IE: socially the  larger size has its advantages.

A Hillsdale education is a superior education and a DII university, were a player can still get some assistance to play FB.

In my thought pattern most premier DIII colleges offer a far superior education than most of the DII colleges I am aware of in the geographic area served by MIAA specifically.

Let's face it, the vast majority of these Student Athletes are not going to play FB after college, why would anyone let that be your sole deciding factor for your educational opprotunities?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on February 20, 2007, 11:13:39 pm
Perhaps it would be wise to "tread lightly" on the DIII is a superior education generality.  For example, Ferris State has an outstanding pharmacy program if I'm not mistaken and Grand Valley, an excellent education program.  Can you get these educational programs at a DIII school?  Education? Yes.  Pharmacy? Not to my knowledge. 

My point is, I don't know if it's fair to generalize that anyone who went DII did so because they didn't care about (or couldn't afford) a good education.

Not trying to light you up, here, but even after your clarification, I think you're missing the reason some kids go to DII schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 21, 2007, 07:17:57 am
D3DL


I concur with your comments a little general of a comment on my part.

I guess I should make a more specific comment. 1 point at a time.
The first comment I would like to clarify in more detail.
I believe that to many young men, get enamored with the DII level opportunity, to play FB.
I did not say or mean to infer, that student athletes that elect to attend DII schools are making a poor decision.
I am saying to many young men, let the offer of FB partial payments cloud their decision.



Good topic a little bug and diverse to detail, in a quick post.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on February 21, 2007, 05:18:26 pm
I get your point, and in that sense, I agree.  Some kids head off to places they have never heard of because "they offered me a scholarship!"  Not the #1 reason to pick a college!  I get you now!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 11:01:24 pm
Perhaps it would be wise to "tread lightly" on the DIII is a superior education generality.  For example, Ferris State has an outstanding pharmacy program if I'm not mistaken and Grand Valley, an excellent education program.  Can you get these educational programs at a DIII school?  Education? Yes.  Pharmacy? Not to my knowledge. 

My point is, I don't know if it's fair to generalize that anyone who went DII did so because they didn't care about (or couldn't afford) a good education.

Not trying to light you up, here, but even after your clarification, I think you're missing the reason some kids go to DII schools.

Wilkes University has a top-notch pharmacy program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 28, 2007, 07:35:25 am
Ohio Northern has a pharmacy program as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on February 28, 2007, 08:20:28 am
Okay, guys, I think we're missing my point, here.  Unless of course, your position is that DIII is inherently better than DII.  All I was trying to say was that some kids actually choose a DII school with education in mind.  I have to think that the majority of those kids know the odds of them ever making a living playing football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on March 02, 2007, 08:23:20 am
Six Killed in Bluffton baseball bus crash... this is just awful.   Our thoughts and prayers to all in the Bluffton Family:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6522208
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 02, 2007, 09:10:06 pm
Yes, what a horrible tragedy.  We don't know why the Good Lord's plan involves this; nonetheless, the Bluffton players and their families and the Bluffton University community will be in my thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: INQBScout on March 03, 2007, 09:33:54 am
Quote
In my thought pattern most premier DIII colleges offer a far superior education than most of the DII colleges I am aware of in the geographic area served by MIAA specifically.

Let's face it, the vast majority of these Student Athletes are not going to play FB after college, why would anyone let that be your sole deciding factor for your educational opprotunities?

Interesting topic. Good points brought out on both sides. Bottom line is this IS generalizing, but I think DIII schools overall represent better academic institutions. Diplomas from DIII schools, I think, carry more weight in the job market (academic rigor, alumni network,etc.). I think it also gets down to liberal arts vs. traditional schools. While a DIII school may not have a pharmacy program or medical school and/or program, they certainly do produce doctors and nurses, etc.

I tend to agree with the "if you can't (or don't want to) go DI, DIII is the way to go". Although the D II route is obviously a great fit---for college and later in life----for many, many kids.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 04, 2007, 08:46:21 pm
The more details we hear about the Bluffton accident the worse this becomes.

What a blow to a fine college and it's families and friends.

Sometimes it amazes me that more accidents/imjuries do not occur.
Long bus rides, no seat belts on these big monsters.
Always thought it strange when I have taken the long trips via bus for games or travel/work kinda scary. Especially overseas, tough roads and small streets extreme traffic jams on the roads.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 04, 2007, 08:51:46 pm
Any news on good recruits or JV players/freshman and soph.  moving up that will make an impact?

That is the exciting thing about college and high school Football teams can make a big change from year to year.

Though coaching and quality programs never stray from being quality programs. The difference comes when you get a group of great athletes that play as a team. Then the chance for a deep playoff run comes.

Look at Mount Union, great coaching and a tradition of winning, just keeps the quality athletes coming to a well run program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Brits39 on March 14, 2007, 07:53:40 pm
Hey I havent been keeping track of everything this year and was wondering how recruiting was going for each school and how each school looks for next year any info would be great since Im coaching up in Minn. and get very little news about stuff from back home
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 15, 2007, 09:09:30 pm
Hey I havent been keeping track of everything this year and was wondering how recruiting was going for each school and how each school looks for next year any info would be great since Im coaching up in Minn. and get very little news about stuff from back home

I haven't had the opportunity to talk with coaching staff(s) that I know as yet; nor have I heard from others about the "general" recruiting to date.  Hopefully will have the chance to do so in the near future.  For conversation's sake, as we all know, however, that aside from general numbers, no one really knows how the recruiting classes shape up at the DIII level until seeing who actually shows up at the start of pre-season camp in August.

BTW, welcome to our MIAA board, Brits39.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 18, 2007, 07:12:32 pm
Has been brought to my attention that I misspelled Coach Lividotti's name in an earlier post.  As I have confused Olivet Nazarene with Olivet College in the past should not be considered a slight. 

On that note, expect Olivet will give the Tigers everything they have in the fall, so as to not let their alma mater or coach go unknown.

Should be a nice changeup this fall with many MIAA teams facing NCAC schools, expecially considering the victory chain that went through the Pioneer League via the NCAC and the MIAA.

signed,
the Wild Man from Oregon
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 24, 2007, 08:35:47 pm
Heaqr from a couple players that Spring Ball has been busy.

Turnout has been good.
I hope this means some improved play and a better showing out of league, and in the playoffs.

It all starts with conditioning and commitment.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 25, 2007, 11:15:18 am
My karma has been runover once again by dogma.  At risk of forever being tragically misunderstood, should think my karma is nein. 

They don't score they don't win.  Get your hand raised?  Howbout a safety? 

The Scotgun probably has a pistol to go with that shotgun, as expecting the MIAA is pinning those ears back.  With two of the three returning rushers back and the leader being a graduated Gagliardi title holder, the Scotgun might benefit from getting both the junior running backs involved at the same time in the same formation.  Take some of the rushing pressure off the new gunslinger at the helm.

And without further ado, as the Jayhawks went silently into the night of March Madness a further tribute in my tagline to those who also exited the tournament of 65.

signed,
Frankenberry, Igor and Eyegore
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 27, 2007, 12:54:37 pm
So what is everybody's thought on out of conference FB.
Is the MIAA going to show a little better?

A glance at the 2007 schedules that are posted show many games at home this year.
Especially for the traditionally stronger teams in the MIAA.

I know its early but, any FB talk is good FB talk.

I am certainly looking for an improvement, from the MIAA.

I think Olivet, and Hope should return strong again.
Hope question is how to make up the yardage and strong running of Booko?
Can young QB carry the play without Booko?

Olivet is returning many of the starters for last years strong run.
Need to see consistency from Olivet. Could take the league in 2007.

Adrian confuses me, I expected more last year.
The new energy and momentum of the stadium and emphasis on FB should pay dividends this year.

Albion is a wait and see, in QB, lost several very good players on the DL. and WR.
Have some talent returning on WR with last years injuries giving some quality PT to some of the younger players. RB should be strong and deep no HUGE move the pile runner but several quick and tough runners.
Should have a fight for QB with Senior QB's in house and some talented Sophomores coming up.
Defensive backfield will be key. OL is a strength with talent and depth.

Tri State I expect to continue the growth and win more games this year.
Big improvements and energy last year.
Good size team, and have a attitude that I think they are tired of being down.

Alma lost a great QB.
The Alma system makes the QB key and the line play better be good or new QB will be learning on the run.
Need to tighten up on D, can not outscore everybody every week.

Wisky and Kazoo need numbers and some more focus from the University to fire up the programs.
Kazoo number of players look low.


Well there is my admittedly not expert review of what I remember from watching games last year.
Lets hear some thoughts of the upcoming season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 28, 2007, 07:55:57 pm
Noticed WLC replaced Valpo with Aurora IL and Kzoo gets Valpo.

At this extremely early stage--on paper, anyway--the "statement games" appear to be WLC/Concordia-WI,  ??? Alma/Wittenberg, and MIAA/Wheaton matchups.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 28, 2007, 09:26:35 pm
83

I like to see the tough schedule.
Can not get better if you do not challenge yourself.

Albion has a tough non conference with Wheaton and Theil after a trip to Butler to open the season.
Have not seen all the teams schedules but a few in the conference have Wheaton on the schedule, that is a good tough team.

Is WLC moving to another Conference in the future?
Or have I mistakenly  heard that, can not remember when I heard that sometime last season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 28, 2007, 09:40:19 pm
Yes, after the 2007 season WLC's football team will join the Northern Athletics Conference (Aurora, Benedictine of IL, Concordia-WI, Concordia-Chicago, Lakeland,  Rockford and Maranatha Baptist will also be in that conference.) That conference has been in existence for nearly a year in virtually all other sports.

Regardless of how WLC football does this season, I'll remember the '03 season in which the Warriors went 3-3 in-conference and 5-5 overall as its' best.

Most unpredictable WLC rivalry games:  any with Adrian, hands down.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 28, 2007, 11:31:32 pm
Good to be back on the board and posting, Ill be here full time from now on.  For those of you who knew me as a coach at Adrian, im longer in that capacity.  As such with some nice inside info on all teams, I'll now offer my thoughts on the league.

Adrian -  Things look they could be a bit iffy at Adrian.  They lost lots of very good players from last years team, most notably on defense.  The loss of Taz Wallace will hurt, but more so will the loss of AJ Marry who was as good an LB as their was in the league and was the yin to Taz's Yang.  Also lost is their best DL, with their best pass rush DE leaving school as well as their starting FS graduating.  Returning are some good players in Brandon Mohney and Aaron Kieltyka.  The offense is full of question marks, losing two OL from a weak unit, their QB, most consistent WR, TE, RB and offensive coordinator.  From what Ive seen of the new O, its a bit gimmicky, but time will tell.  SPecial teams also took a hit losing the all league kicker and best avg per punt punter.   

Albion -  A rock solid program that has gone through some ups and downs this year.  They did lose some talent on defense, but still have some waiting in the wings.  Their QB will have a year under his belt and returns 4 of 5 starters up front from a very good unit which will do nothing but help.  A strong commitment to the running game and sound defense also keep this team at the top of the league every year, you cant count them out.  Everyone has speculated about Rundles future, but I cant see him leaving, I expect a much better year than last out of Albion.

Alma - Loss of Broehm is huge, hard to replace a QB like him in DIII football.  Coach Cole knows what he is doing as does Leister and with the return of two very good RB's I wouldnt be suprised to see a stronger commitment to running from the spread.  On the other hand I cant recall the last time that Alma struggled with the QB, from Slowke to Broehm, Im sure they will have someone ready to go.  The defense was a much maligned unit last year, but that was also a bit of an anomaly, Alma is traditionally stout on both sides and I would expect to see that again next year.

Hope -  You cant discount what Coach Kreps does in holland.  This year they were picked to finish fourth, and rarely receive the credit they are due.  They are the top dog in the league in my eyes with a commitment to sound football on both sides of the ball.  Booko returns at RB and will be the class of the leauge and Hope is often underrated upfront with some players that might not be the best in the eyeball test, but who get after you with good schemes.  The QB position has been shaky this last season, but again another year and more of a comfort level should help.  The defense was amazing, with the MVP of the leauge and deservedly so, he is the highest impact player I have seen in the leauge in the last 7 years he can run with receivers and bowl over the OL.  ALl this adds up to a possible repeat by Hope.  If the offense can step up to the table and deliver I could see this team getting the elusive MIAA win in the playoffs this year.

Kalamazoo - Things at Kzoo are always tough.  There are some good ideas from the coaching staff but limited personell can only take them so far.  I cant see Kzoo ever really being more than the spoiler that they have been in the last 7 years.  They will compete, they will win some games they shouldnt, but they will forever be a middle of the pack team with their academic standards.  Its hard to win football games when you only bring in 20 freshman a year and other teams bring in 80, the talent level and depth really becomes an issue.

Olivet -  A near miss this season.  Olivet had it all in their sights but their offense completely took a dive against Hope.  I cant recall the last time I saw an Olivet team run for negative yards and I imgaine that I will not see it again soon.  Olivet was a young team this last season and returns some great talent on both sides of the ball.  Again a strong commitment to the run game should prove to help in league and the passing game if properly developed would be a great asset.  Bob Frye on the coaching stuff defiently helps, despite his record at TSU.  The defense had amazing athletes and will have them next year, they LB's can close seams like crazy and the defensive backfield is full of playmakers with the FS really being able to deliver a hit.  I see this team with an improved offense challenging for the top spot.

Tri State - Things greatly improve at Tri State and look to continue to do so.  Coach Land brings some great ideas and som real innovation to what was a bottom feeder of a program.  His coaching staff also brings a great deal of enthusiasm to the field and recruiting which will pay dividends in the long run.  This season they were a low flyer, challening some of the top teams, putting up points one week and looking strong on defense the next.  A very young team which is not the key to wins right away but is down the road.  I know they would like to throw the ball more than they do, but before they can go anywhere, both sides of their lines need real improvement.  On film they look small and overpowered and that translates to the games.  Recruiting should help out as should the new commitment to athletics at TSU the future is bright, I just dont see them winning more than 4 games this next season, maybe 5.

Wisconsin Lutheran - They reeled with the loss of some great OL this last season and Kehl despite being a great back looked rather pedestrian at times with the poor blocking he received.  The defense is a real problem showing littel abiltity to stop the run or pass.  This is a team on its way out of the MIAA and should improve greatly once they join their new conference.  They have had some good teams, but the most recent was 3 years ago with the great group of seniors they had.  Best of luck to them in this last MIAA season and best of luck in the future in the new conference.

Thats my take on this next season, time will tell as will recruiting but things are usually pretty steady.  The only negative I would put out there about the new stadium and admin at Adrian is a large increase in pressure.  At times it appears that they forget the core values of DIII sports in terms of producing good people, there is a very larege emphasis on winning and winning now with the new administration.  The stadium seems to have brought a DI mentality as well as the thinking that once you have a stadium you should compete for a national championship which realistically for Adrian or the MIAA is years away.  Youve gotta knock on the door before you can enter the party and so far we cant knock on the door.  Thats my take on this next season, time will tell as will recruiting but things are usually pretty steady I look forward to being able to meet some of the other posters this upcoming season at MIAA events and also to enjoy the atmosphere of tailgating and not being stressed with game day preperation!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 28, 2007, 11:33:08 pm
wlcalum83:

Adrian vs. WLC is always a great rivalry.  At this point there doesnt seem to be any love lost and there have been some great games.  I played in some good games against WLC and despite not having the best talent, they always put up a good fight.  I too will remember the 3-3 5-5 team as a great group of players who played great team football. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 29, 2007, 10:26:58 pm
Dawg4life

Nice to see you on the board.

great comments, look forward to more insites.

83 thanks for the info, I agree the move will be good for WLC.
Close travel and a league they are more competitive with.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAAalum on March 30, 2007, 11:13:29 am
83,

I was curious to find out if you knew anything about how long WLC will keep letting their coach turn in subpar performances?  I know it takes time to build a program, but with the facilities your school has (with are far superior to any other MIAA school) you would think WLC would have no problem bringing in top level D-3 recruits. 
I have watched the teams you have put out over the past few years being in the MIAA, and the atheletes are there, it just seems to be an issue of getting those athletes to put it together on the field. 
Maybe I am way off in my thinking, but I would think that patience with your Coach would be growing thin.  Do you think with the changing to a more local league will help?

Best of Luck in 07!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 30, 2007, 06:17:27 pm
WLC Coach Miller currently also serves as Vice-President of Student Affairs. He was taken on by President Greenfield back in 1998 to start the football program from scratch. A few years later, President Greenfield retired and was replaced by Tim Kriewell. Given the positive early steps the first few seasons, this poster would think that Coach Miller would be given another 2-3 years yet. It remains to be seen how things will shake out in the NAthCon football conference, (I heard a couple of the squads --Concordia-Chicago for 1-- that are joining WLC in '08 also have had "down" stretches.)

Another factor--in the MIAA, WLC's been a "cub" among "bears." Your Michigan squads have been competing nearly 100 years while the Warriors have been for less than 10. WLC's expectations would appear to have been toned down accordingly.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 30, 2007, 07:54:08 pm
1) DAWG:
Welcome back to the board, friend.  BTW, what will you be doing this year?

2) Also, I would like join the others here in wishing the best of luck to you WLC posters and your team for its last season in MIAA.  We'll miss having you in the league, but I'm sure your new conference experience will be exciting.

3) Don't forget about another potential "statement game" i.e. Hope vs. Central (IA).  If Hope beats them (and Wheaton), could be a tremendous start.  Then again, always difficult to predict - recalling what happened last year at the start before the "long run".

Good to see everyone posting again.  Maybe our board will soon hit the #100 page! :)   

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 31, 2007, 11:55:58 pm
formerd3db:

I will be taking this next year starting in may to begin and complete a teachers education program that will have me certified to teach in high school.  From there I dont know where I will go, but it will open up many new avenues for me which should be exciting.  As for what Ill be doing when not in school I will attend the Adrian games and would like to attend some non Adrian MIAA games as well to get a better feel for the league.  As much as I will miss coaching, I wont miss the new high stress environment at Adrian and will enjoy the freedom to tailgate and enjoy the game!  I look forward to meeting alot of the posters I have known only through posts and enjoying some football with them in person!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on April 01, 2007, 12:43:00 am
I can confidently say that the coaching staff's loss is the tailgater's gain at Adrian.  ADAWG, you're welcome at any tailgate I ever throw.  Looking forward to another exciting MIAA season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 05, 2007, 10:11:37 am
Well now that the teams have had some walk thru's.
Does anyone have any info about teams.

As I look at comments on the other conferences there is a lot of talk about incoming players and things at schools.

I have not had a chance to watch sny walk thrus for the teams yet.

"this work stuff is overrated" will try to get by some before the spring ball ends
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 08, 2007, 05:46:57 pm
D306:

I haven't heard anything either.  Alma is gets out of school this week before the short spring term to Memorial weekend (they are always done by the second week of April, which gives their students a jump on summer jobs, i.e. those who are not involved in spring sports or who take their mini-spring term).  I was up to Alma last weekend for the Hope/Alma/Holy Cross lacrosse games, but didn't get a chance to talk with Alma coaches at that time.  Hope is done in 3 weeks with graduation May 6th; I might be able find out some info from them when I see a lacrosse game there.  Might have been able to find out this weekend but the lacrosse games at Albion for Albion/Adrian/Hope were cancelled due to the return of the winter weather.  I will be out-of-town from April 12-April 22nd so won't be posting here for awhile.  Anyway, keep us posted on what you may hear.  Perhaps some of our other MIAA colleagues will find out some info as well.  Hope you had a nice Easter weekend.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on April 09, 2007, 12:00:06 am
Adrian has begun their spring practices.  I havent had a chance to get up and see them yet, I know they had at least one cancellation because of the weather, hardly seems like april out right now.  I know Adrian is going through the installation of a new offense, and Im sure some things on defense will be tweaked as well.  I will report what I see after I finally get up and catch a practice.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 09, 2007, 09:12:12 am
I remember Alma getting done so early, does help with the summer job opportunites. The mini - class is also a good way to get some of the mandatory classes out of the way.
Albion and many others also are done in early May.

I trust you all had a good Easter I certainly did.

Couple guys I spoke with tell me that, they are running alot, this spring ball.
The walk thrus for basic alignments are going well, getting a chance to see how some of the younger guys are learning the systems.

Weather has been bad, it builds character or at least thats the story they used to tell us back in the day. Of course it was colder and longer practices back in the day too!!!! LOL

I hear the big emphasis is on speed, on both sides of the ball this year. Guys are getting bigger by nature, there is numerous big lineman out there now, but speed on the edges and at LB is the big push from a couple locations I have heard from.
DB and safety are the areas that I think the MIAA needs to improve on, alot of passing for yardage and completing 3rd downs. Have to get of the field.

Well my travels should allow me to see a practice or two this week, so hopefully I will have something worth posting.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 09, 2007, 11:17:40 pm
D306 and DAWG:
Thanks for the updates.  Good commentary and some interesting aspects for sure.  Hopefully, I too will have something to report on in the near future.  Later friends.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on April 10, 2007, 04:13:04 pm
ANybody hear any news about recruiting classes?  Any big name guys coming into the MIAA?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 12, 2007, 08:11:00 am
The following one-time MIAA football players have found a new league to continue putting that athletic talent to use in:

The link is:  http://www.continentalindoorfootball.com/  (click on team logo, then "roster")

Team                           Player                                      Position                               School attended

Kzoo Xplosion             D White                                    RB                                        Kzoo
Kzoo Xplosion             K Lackscheide                           OL/DL                                  Olivet
Kzoo Xplosion             A Storey                                    OL                                       Olivet

Muskegon Thunder     M Cumings                                LB/DB                                   Hope
Muskegon Thunder     D McKeown                               WR/DB                                 Adrian
Muskegon Thunder     A Pringle                                    DL/FB                                  Albion
Muskegon Thunder     S Wasil                                      QB                                       Albion
Muskegon Thunder     T J Williams                                RB/DB                                  Adrian

Miami Valley Silverbacks    J Oliver                                QB                                       Tri-State

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on April 12, 2007, 09:24:08 am
WLCALUM83:

Not that he is in the same league, but you missed out on Mike Lewis who is actually playing in the AFL2 right now in Albany New York, he actually posted 6 solo tackles in his first game.  Heres the link to the team web page www.albanyconquest.com
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on April 12, 2007, 09:48:57 am
The following one-time MIAA football players have found a new league to continue putting that athletic talent to use in:

The link is:  http://www.continentalindoorfootball.com/  (click on team logo, then "roster")

Team                           Player                                      Position                               School attended

Kzoo Xplosion             D White                                    RB                                        Kzoo
Kzoo Xplosion             K Lackscheide                           OL/DL                                  Olivet
Kzoo Xplosion             A Storey                                    OL                                       Olivet

Muskegon Thunder     M Cumings                                LB/DB                                   Hope
Muskegon Thunder     D McKeown                               WR/DB                                 Adrian
Muskegon Thunder     A Pringle                                    DL/FB                                  Albion
Muskegon Thunder     S Wasil                                      QB                                       Albion
Muskegon Thunder     T J Williams                                RB/DB                                  Adrian

Miami Valley Silverbacks    J Oliver                                QB                                       Tri-State



What was the big kid's name from up in Kingsley that played for Olivet a couple of years ago.   He ran the Wing-T in Kingsley and thrived under Sigler's Wing-T.  Was that Storey?  I saw that name above and coudn't remember.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 17, 2007, 08:29:42 am
I noticed in some of the other links in North Divison
That teams like MUC are having a scrimmage this weekend.
I believe offense vs. defense with itself

Does any of the MIAA teams have a scrimmage this weekend?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on April 17, 2007, 09:58:02 pm
As far as I know no one does, because the MIAA does not wear pads(I dont believe OAC does either).  On top of the fact that for the MIAA the rule states that the practices have to be completley "non contact" which would really prevent a scrimmage situation.  It would be great to see some pads in these practices as the teams would be able to get alot more done that just skeleton and OL/DL drills with air (supposedly).  There is only so much you can do with no contact and no pads, but by the same token the MIAA finally agreeing to allow spring practices where you can use a football is a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 18, 2007, 08:16:25 am
Dawg

Thanks for the info.
I thought this yeart the teams could hold scheduled spring practice and that would include pads, for a week or so.

Until the commitment to football, equal to the other Conferences in D3 the MIAA will have trouble playing with these teams.
I doubt the players would have any problems with the contact or the extra time, Players play, and they would like the extra chances to get things done and impress a coach.

I do not want the whole D1 thing, as D3 schools are about education first and  foremost. I believe a week or two of pads and a scrimmage would go a long way in improving the MIAA play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on April 18, 2007, 01:38:59 pm
FYI:  From the NCAA Div. III Manual

Quote
17.11.6.1 Exception

An institution is permitted to conduct conditioning and strength training sessions and limited skill instruction during a consecutive five week period outside the playing season.  During this five week period, the institution may conduct athletically related activity on a maximum of 16 days with no more than four days of athletically related activity in any one week.  Any athletically related activity (per Bylaw 17.02.1.1) shall constitute the use of a day.  Skill instruction during this period shall be limited to passing, catching and kicking related drills. Such instruction may include offensive and defensive alignments, but may not involve contact.  Except for footballs, the use of helmets, pads, blocking sleds or any other form of sport-related equipment is prohibited.  No missed class time is permitted for these sessions.  (Adopted: 1/10/05, Revised: 1/9/06)

Pretty sure that no one in D3 is supposed to be wearing pads, having contact, or conducting scrimmages.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 18, 2007, 09:11:39 pm
D3DL

MY Mistake

I must have assumed that others whom are having a scrimmage were in pads.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Not so sure 7 v 7 is good for much, maybe a little timing for QB and WR's
Good for raising the interest of the student body.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 25, 2007, 07:29:10 pm
So with a couple of key players in the MIAA graduating, how does the following teams replace the lost talent.
Alma QB
Adrian LB, and DL major contributors
Albion DE Both, and CB all of which were highly rated in league.
Hope I can not recall any major grads could be wrong.
OC most of the team returns
Can not comment accurately re: Kazoo, Wis,
I thought Tri-State was pretty young.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 25, 2007, 07:34:17 pm
The biggest "name" WLC will have to replace is Matt Kehl.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard Tri-State had either 3 seniors who played a lot last season, or 3 seniors on their entire squad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on April 30, 2007, 01:20:50 pm
Congrats to Taz Wallace!!!  As he was invited to the Lions rookie camp!  Good luck!!!


http://www.adrian.edu/sports/football_taz_lions.php (http://www.adrian.edu/sports/football_taz_lions.php)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 30, 2007, 01:40:41 pm
Best of luck to Taz Wallace!   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 30, 2007, 07:27:31 pm
Great News
Hope he can catch someones eye, and get a chance Special Teams using his speed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on May 01, 2007, 03:27:26 pm
Is there any word on Brehm or any other D III guys that have landed invites or FA signings somewhere?  Looks like D III is well represented this year in the professional leagues.  So with recruiting slowing down for the D III guys, what is the word with possible recruits that may see some time as freshmen?  I hear Adrian is bringing in another huge class, not real sure about the talent level however.  Any word on the other MIAA schools?  Any surprises out there regarding transfers?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 01, 2007, 10:32:54 pm
ACRULZ, check the D3football.com front page. Two stories -- one with draftees, another with signees and free agent invites.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 07, 2007, 07:00:42 pm
Fellow MIAA followers:

I was told by a very reliable MIAA source that Alma's Brehm and Adrian's Wallace have signed as free agents with the Detroit Lions and are now at the mini-camp.  Great news, although it will be interesting to see how far they can go.  Obviously, Brehm is competing against MSU's Stanton.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 07, 2007, 08:22:10 pm
ACRULZ, check the D3football.com front page. Two stories -- one with draftees, another with signees and free agent invites.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 07, 2007, 10:42:01 pm
formerd3db:

It is true that both were invited to the Lions mini camp along with about 30 other non signed rookie invites.  Unlike the other teams in the NFL this camp for the Lions was only rookies thus they needed numbers to fill out the camp as opposed to most NFL teams that bring the whole team in plus rookies.  While they were in camp, as far as I know they have not signed any contract of worth.  Word is that Taz looked good, speaking with the Adrian D coordinator today he actually picked Brehm off in the first day of practice.  Both players are considered long shots to make the roster and I think it would be great if either was able to land on the practice squad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on May 08, 2007, 11:38:36 pm
I believe there are pictures of Taz at the Lions camp on the Adrian site if anyone is interested. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 13, 2007, 06:42:24 pm
I believe there are pictures of Taz at the Lions camp on the Adrian site if anyone is interested. 

Great photos and articles on Adrian's athletic website about Taz at the Lions mini-camp.  However, we haven't heard anything about whether or not he was invited back or not for the pre-season camp or possibly assigned to NFL-Europe, etc. (also nothing on how Brehm did).  I checked on the Detroit Lions official website and unfortunately, there is nothing listed at all about how these non-drafted, unrestricted free agents, and invitees did at the camp, other than the couple of "big name" guys the Lions invited or signed before camp and a general interview with the Lions HC who basically just talks about the latter.  You would think the Lions would have something about who was cut, who made it, etc. on the "blog" section of the website.  With all the "hype" it is projected as a great website, it kind of reflects how mediocre the Lions are in all other aspects!  ::)  Anyone have any other info...bulldogalum, ADAWG,???? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on May 13, 2007, 07:13:30 pm
Word on a local Michigan Website is Brehm signed a 90 day contract to be at the Grenn Bay packers Training Camp.

See if he can make it,or get a NFL Europe Contract.

$250K is the rumored rate.

Nice start hope he makes it.

GB needs somebody in the near future, even if he gets 3rd string and learns
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 14, 2007, 10:53:28 am
formerd3db:

The only word I knew on Taz was that he was a rookie invite to the Lions rookie minicamp.  He had some good moments, but I have not heard any plans or word of him being signed to the squad for training camp.  The lions run their first camp different than most teams, only rookies are present thus they bring in about 30 rookie invites to participate and fill out the numbers.  Like I said the word is that Taz did great and that he was well liked, but I have heard nothing regarding signing.  Ill do some digging and see if I can hear anything.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 14, 2007, 07:41:20 pm
Thanks DAWG; keep us posted.  Hope all is well with you.

Thanks also, D306, please do the same.

BTW, fellow MIAA'ers, I need to check today to see where/who Hope baseball team plays in the NCAA Regionals.  I would assume in the Cleveland area, but then the NCAA has been known to do some strange things! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 14, 2007, 10:17:45 pm
Hope's first game is Wednesday, 7pm, vs Marietta (defending national champion, but many were surprised they even got a pool C this year); Wooster is the host, but the games are in Strongsville,OH (a Cleveland suburb).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2007, 11:03:21 am
Check D3baseball.com, Doc.

Come on, man -- you're inheriting the Mr. Ypsi mantle of not doing your own research. Read the  front page of the site for something important like that!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 15, 2007, 05:38:49 pm
Check D3baseball.com, Doc.

Come on, man -- you're inheriting the Mr. Ypsi mantle of not doing your own research. Read the  front page of the site for something important like that!

Oops!  Sorry Pat, my bad!  In my haste to post, I should have checked your site before that; actually, the baseball question was a "late" thought in my post.  I should have figured that the pairings/selections were posted by then, since it was early evening!  I should know better in regards to my researcher/historian background! :-[ ::)  :P

Anyway, Hope is not a bad team and has been steadily improving of recent, yet getting Marietta will be no easy game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2007, 06:17:53 pm
Well, at least we're crediting Ypsi with having dispensed with said mantle. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on May 15, 2007, 08:32:26 pm
Anyway, Hope is not a bad team and has been steadily improving of recent, yet getting Marietta will be no easy game.

Let me preface this by saying I've been too lazy to look at the stats, and so I have no idea if what I'm saying is backed up on paper.  My impression of the Hope baseball team is that they're a good team, and might be able to steal a series or two in the tournament, but not much more than that.  They've got some guys that can flat out hit the ball, and their offense is clearly their greatest strength.  I don't remember them having many base stealing threats, but they put the bat on the ball enough to get the runners around.

I thought Hope's pitching was relatively unimpressive.  It seemed like a rotation full of #3 starters--guys that'll get you some good innings, and who are pretty good pitchers, but nobody that can take over a game, and nobody that absolutely astounds me.   I think if they want to extend their playoff lives, they'd be well served to plan on putting up at least 6 or 7 runs per game.  I don't think they'll be able to get by against good teams like Marietta with much less than that.

Now that I've said that, watch them with the national title whilst giving up 0 runs and winning endless strings of 1-0 and 2-0 games. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 16, 2007, 11:03:27 am
Heard a couple of Milwaukee area prep players are headed WLC's direction:

The link is:  http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=603775
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 18, 2007, 07:28:32 pm
I realize I should be posting this over on Pat's d3baseball web, however, thought I would just mention this here for anyone interested (besides, I'm not signed up over on that site ;D).  Anyway, unfortunately, Hope's "run" in the NCAA baseball regional ended today with a 6-5 loss to Ohio Wesleyan University.  Thus, ironically, Hope's season began in Florida and ends with a close loss to the same team.  After getting walloped by defending national champion Marietta on Wed this week 9-1 and being placed in the "elimination" bracket, Hope rebounded by upsetting the nation's #1 D3 team Wooster (OH) 5-3 yesterday.  Despite this, is was a good season for Hope, certainly much better than last year I would say.   Bulldogalum's assessment was pretty much on it appears, although one never knows about the post season as strange things can happen.

Nonetheless, congratulations to Coach Stu Fritz and all the Hope team as they had a very good season, MIAA champs and representing the league in these NCAA's.  I think that any one of the Ohio teams in this regional could certainly go all the way, certainly Wooster and Marietta could, although unfortunately and obviously, only one can advance.  The only other comment I might add would be that similar to our discussions regarding football and basketball, IMO, I think that Hope and the MIAA teams need to play some tougher teams in their early spring trips - although Hope did play OWU, I'm talking about on a consistent basis - and some upper level teams (i.e. DII and DI) during parts of the season to gain additional experience that would help in the playoffs.  Some of the teams in the MIAA are returning to that philosophy (Alma plays some DII teams now, returning to situation similar to when they used to play several DI teams - in the early '80's, they played U of Detroit, Eastern MI, Central MI, Iowa State, Georgia Tech - and Olivet played DI Eastern and Western MI this year - despite Olivet losing those games, they gained good experience and almost did beat Eastern in one of the games).  Anyway, it will be interesting to see who wins the DIII baseball title this year.  With all due respect to all the d3 baseball teams, I am (almost ;)) ready for the football season to begin (of course, after the collegiate lacrosse season concludes next weekend! :D).  I will look forward to any other comments that any of you have about any of the above if anyone cares to do so, friends.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 18, 2007, 07:30:43 pm
BTW, guys, keep on posting - we're almost to page 100! ;) ;D ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 18, 2007, 07:50:59 pm
former,

A signup on one d3sports.com site is a signup on all.  No more excuses for avoiding d3baseball.com!  (Though I suppose we probably won't see you 'til next season.)

And congratulations to Hope on a very nice season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 19, 2007, 10:42:52 am
former,

A signup on one d3sports.com site is a signup on all.  No more excuses for avoiding d3baseball.com!  (Though I suppose we probably won't see you 'til next season.)

And congratulations to Hope on a very nice season.

Mr. Ypsi:

Good to hear from you and thanks for the congrats to Hope.  Yes, it was a nice season for them and they did come close to getting to the final game today.  But as that old saying goes..."close but no cigar!"

Anyway, I guess I'm "dumb" because I was unaware that signing up (i.e. registering) on any of the d3.com sites allows you to participate in them all.  That is great and thanks to Pat and crew for allowing that.  Yes, I'll probably not post on the baseball site (although I like college baseball and have some nice memories of when my brother played in the NCAA DIII baseball regionals some years ago, I'm still a fb and now also lacrosse man!).  Anyway, I wish good luck to the teams that make it into the DIII "World Series".  Also, hope you are doing well and have a great upcoming Memorial Day Weekend and, of course, summer as well.  August fb will be here before we know it!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 19, 2007, 11:33:50 am
Getting back to football, has anyone heard anything more about Tri-State's indoor football/lacrosse facility since it was announced last fall?  I tried to find the section on their website that outlined the plans which several of us saw late last fall, however, I couldn't locate it on there now.  Just curious.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 19, 2007, 09:37:52 pm
formerd3db:

From what i had heard before leaving Adrian is that plans for that had been scrapped and that it was no longer going to be an indoor facility.  I dont know if thats the truth or not, but rather just mumblings from althletic department officials.  It never made sense to me why they would build an indoor stadium as football season is usually such great weather and there field is normally in such prime shape with their turf managment program.  It would be a shame to see the nicest grass in the league go by the wayside.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 21, 2007, 11:38:58 am
formerd3db:

From what i had heard before leaving Adrian is that plans for that had been scrapped and