Good Luck to all MIAA teams this week, especially Hope, they will need it against John Carroll!
MIAA people.....
Tell me about Albion....How does Millikin stack up with them? I know last year they played a pretty tough game with Albion getting the win up in Michigan...Should be a good game I'd imagine.
Pat:
After sending my last post, I assumed that you did not have control over the Stagg website, but rather just posted what they would send out. My apologies if it appeared I was complaining against you - I was not, nor never intended it to be that way. But rather I appreciate you providing us with that info; it is a great service. Thus, it appears the Stagg people have just not updated that particular page for this year yet - most of their other pages and info appear updated for this year already. Anyway, thanks for the follow-up. The game is definately Sat Dec 17th this year! ;)
I heard from a girl that works in Wabash Bookstore that there are like 850 students at Wabash? Or is it more than that. At Albion we have roughly 1950 students.
It appears like the votes are for one year only, and not accumulative.
An ice hockey rink, also, wow! Does Adrian have a collegiate hockey club team like Hope and Calvin do?
BTW, I assume you are taking a break from all that hard studying in posting at this hour? ;D ;)
Nate Kmic is one thing, but when you have a wide receiver in Pierre Garcon, who can burn everyone, you know you are going somewhere. This guy is totally unbelieveable. In the championship game this past season he was able to burn everyone. He came from Norwich where he played some good football, and then decided to transfer to the DIII powerhouse machine Mt. Union, and I dont blame him. On a side note Mt. Union needs to move up to at least DII. I would love to see them play against Grand Valley State.
former, that is one of the things that I really like about d3, there is always players that seem to come out of nowhere. You never know truly what you have as a fan until you get it. I could have told you that Mt. Union would have talented guys to plug in for injured players, but to be able to predict a Nate Kmic (Stagg Bowl MOP) at this level is more difficult than the "lower" divisions.
Anyway, maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players. We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players. The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.
Anyway, maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players. We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players. The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.
One of the difficulties, in my opinion, that the MIAA has is the large number of DII programs in the area. You have eight DII schools that sponsor football in Michigan, not to mention the other GLIAC schools that are close by. Compare that with say Illinois and Wisconsin and you would have to go to Indiana, Minnesota, or Michigan for schools that sponsored football. So, you have all the MIAA schools, the Division II schools, and the biggies like U of M and MSU. That is a lot of competition for in-state athletes. Throw into the mix that some kids want to go away to school or have other interests makes the competition fierce. And, unfortunately you can't forget the money issue.
Anyway, maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players. We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players. The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.
One of the difficulties, in my opinion, that the MIAA has is the large number of DII programs in the area. You have eight DII schools that sponsor football in Michigan, not to mention the other GLIAC schools that are close by. Compare that with say Illinois and Wisconsin and you would have to go to Indiana, Minnesota, or Michigan for schools that sponsored football. So, you have all the MIAA schools, the Division II schools, and the biggies like U of M and MSU. That is a lot of competition for in-state athletes. Throw into the mix that some kids want to go away to school or have other interests makes the competition fierce. And, unfortunately you can't forget the money issue.
And it doesn't help (not that I'm complaining) that GVSU has owned DII football for the last few years. I know several local kids who are the right kind of guys for DIII who are walking on at GVSU just because of the history - not to mention Lubbers Stadium.
Any comments as to whom the new QB at Albion will be?
How do they look?
Would be nice to see MIAA get a win in the playoffs this year.
What do you think is lacking to make the step?
Looks like defense is the key.
Question for everyone
I am hearing several people at the gym, saying they are using creatine, and NO-Explode.
These guys are going to be playing FB in College, D1, and D3.
I thought these were against NCAA rules.
Can anyone comment.
I told them that I thought these were not allowed in College sports.
I commented eat right, and supplement with Whey Protein 1.5 -2 grams a pound and you will make good gains without breaking rules, am I right?
Will Adrian's new stadium bring in the recruits like Hope's Temple of the Ball-god has? Will it be superior to the other MIAA stadiums?
Adrian's facilities will compete to be the best in Division III.
Adrian's facilities will compete to be the best in Division III.
Who has the best MIAA football stadium?
Adrian, Albion, Hope, Olivet, Alma I know at least had JV teams. I'm not sure about the rest of the league.
I see Adrian's Taz Wallace on the 2006 Preseason All-American team. What puts him in this position....is he the best player in the MIAA?
Adrain's stadium looks great! Glad to see they open up w/ rival DC. Is the stadium going to be located near campus & how much of the seating is reserved?
Hey Hey about time I get on here!!!
2. Adrian - very talented at the skill positions but lack the line to get them over the hump. The Offensive line is a little questionable and with the loss of so called All-American Mike Lewis from the defensive line, they will lack leadership. Nobody get defensive when I call him a so called All-American, just question it when a majority of his stats that got him that Honor were against non-league opponents. Taz will definitely have to lead this team to the promise land.
ADAWGS- Good Luck this season
Well it looks as though the media have picked the Bulldogs to win the MIAA this year. Albion finished a close second in the ballot, and Hope was third. Though I generally distrust the opinions of members of the media on such things as this, I certainly hope they're right this time.
Have Adrian's and Hope's new building projects begun a trend of improvement for many of the MIAA athletic venues?
Have Adrian's and Hope's new building projects begun a trend of improvement for many of the MIAA athletic venues?
Kalamazoo has a long way to go before they start on their athletic facilities. They recently renovated their library which is incredible, and their student center (union) will be started this fall. There's talk about a student rec center to the NE of Markin but there's little money for that at this point . Angell field was partially renovated 5 years ago, and is fine, however Calder (locker rooms at Angell) really need to be updated. Stowe Stadium (tennis) will probably go thru continuous upgrades due to K hosting the USTA's every year.
Adrian's project is interesting. They are banking on larger class sizes to pay for these new facilities and programs (lacrosse). There was no major campaign. They have all their coaches out on the admissions recruiting road big time. I hope it works out for them.
To: matblake
Wisconsin Lutheran's football non-conference opponents are Valparaiso, Dubuque, Rockford and Concordia, WI. If I recall correctly, Rockford had a great football season last year.
WLCALUM83
It does help. Thanks.
formerd3db
You're quite right that the press box needs to be updated. You shouldn't be suprised that the money isn't there. Until Kzoo (administrators and execs) gets serious about their athletic department and realize that athletics can do wonders for a small college, they aren't going to spend money there. The admin at K thinks that athletics is just another extra-curricular activity like chess club. Budgets are the same for many sports as they were 8-10 years ago. Embarassing. We alumns help out where we can, but I highly doubt we'll see a large campaign for athletic facilities anytime soon.
Has there ever been any talk about Calvin ever fielding a football team?
How will Adrian's new stadium affect the other schools?
Has there ever been any talk about Calvin ever fielding a football team?
"It isn't that we're anti-football, but when you have one specific sport leading the way, your other sports are short-changed," said Dr. Marv Zuidema, who serves as the co-athletic director at Calvin while awaiting his approaching retirement.
Co-athletic director Kevin Vande Streek, who will soon become the Knights' official athletic director once Zuidema retires, says colleges that have begun football programs in the recent past have done so to improve enrollments.
According to Calvin president Dr. Gaylen Byker, there will probably never be football played at the school.
Unfortunately, we'll never know how well Calvin would compete in football, since it appears the school will never play football.
The MIAA needs to put a bit of pressure on Calvin to field a football team.
The MIAA needs to put a bit of pressure on Calvin to field a football team.
I'd like to see more MIAA schools field competative teams in "minor" sports before they start pressuring Calvin to add football.
I'd like to see more MIAA schools field competitive teams in "minor" sports before they start pressuring Calvin to add football.
.... softball (Hope, Alma, Calvin and now Olivet coming on strong);
swimming (Hope, while not rivaling Kenyon regarding the team accomplishments on a national level, they always have both men's and women's All-American swimmers and divers)
tennis (Hope, Kazoo)
soccer is always competitive for the NCAA berth (Kazoo, Hope, Calvin and Alma having been in the mix in recent years)
track .... is always competitive at the various MIAA schools with All-Americans
.... cross-country is always competitive at the various MIAA schools with All-Americans
golf has been strong at several including Adrian, Hope, Olivet
baseball has been very strong in the past two decades (Alma, Hope, Albion, Calvin and now Adrian)
.... mention the "minor" sports like hockey (Calvin, Hope)
.... mention the "minor" sports like .... lacrosse coming on strong (Calvin this year, Hope improving from past years and Adrian making it a varsity sport next year)
Bottom line is that it would not be a problem if Calvin added football regardless of what happens in the other sports (again, that's not going to happen unfortunately) - and wouldn't you agree that even if they did, the "minor" sports can still be encouraged and supported to be "competitive"? Just MO. ;)
I don't buy this cost talk. I think this is the first time I've ever heard it raised in regards to a football program. At most schools, football is the biggest money maker.
.... it is not out of the reach whatsoever for Calvin to do it - again $ there is just not the problem .... As far as a field, Calvin certainly has the $ (i.e. it could be easily raised) .... if schools like Olivet and Adrian can raise the $ as they have (and especially Olivet), no way that Calvin can't do it.
.... however, that isn't absolutely necessary if one wanted to "save some $" as there are many football facilities within a short drive from their campus which I have no doubt some arrangements could be made (at least for the first few start up years).
As far as your coaching statements, not all the MIAA schools have the coaching "set-up" as you relate. Alma was one of the first to go with non-teaching coaching positions in football and while not everyone agrees with that philosophy, it seems to work for them, and quite successfully in the past 10 years as can be seen. I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.
I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.
Many MIAA schools state that they believe in a teacher/coach philosophy, but their hiring practices do not follow.
How many MIAA teams are coached by part-time staff?
Bilk:
Personally, I don't believe that there are not plenty of people in the small MIAA towns who could do the job as "part-timers". ;) I would dare say that all the MIAA towns have such people who could - rather those people choose not too. Moreover, many of the MIAA schools have "part-time" assistant coaches on their staffs (we're talking football here) who travel quite a distance to coach each day and on weekends and they do so because they want to (and are qualified to do the job). They just happen to either hold other jobs and/or are graduate students working on their advanced degrees. To the best of my knowledge, most of these positions are paid positions also (at least I know they are at some of the schools).
Some additional comments/clarifications to the discussion:
Flea:
If you want to be specific, then a clarification is appropriate. The majority of Hope's head coaches are in teaching positions and I think you would agree that the major sports have this. It is doubtful that any of their major sports head coaching positions (not counting J.V. teams) would be given to "part-time" coaches i.e. those not affiliated in some official capacity at the college. I believe that was within the context we were talking - if not, my apologies for not clarifying that aspect. :)
IMO, MIAA major sports:
- football
- women’s basketball
- men’s basketball
- women’s volleyball
I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.
Many MIAA schools state that they believe in a teacher/coach philosophy, but their hiring practices do not follow.
How many MIAA teams are coached by part-time staff?
Can Adrian, Alma or Albion find that many solid coaches within commuting distance? I know you disagree but still .....
Just so I understand. What's everyone's opinion on coaches having other responibilities other than coaching?
OK I have been gone all summer - what happened to the message system? I have a new message from someone, its blank, and I cant delete it!! Am I just proving my computer savey or is something wrong with hte message system? ;D
Addendum:
Oops. Not sure why all those lines were in my last post. I tried to clear them out and thought they were and it appeared so on the "preview". But alas, when I posted it, they are still there. Sorry about that; the postings are sincere, however.
Finals: Albion 31, Butler 10 :D
Manchester 26, Tri-State 22 :(
Finals: Albion 31, Butler 10 :D
Manchester 26, Tri-State 22 :(
Soccer and football at the same time?
Several questions.
Which practices would the player attend?
Which games would he play (in the event of Saturday games if the soccer team was at home and the football team on the road, or vice versa?)
Wouldn't being active in both sports at once cut big into an athlete's academic study time?
Just throwing it out there.
As far as Defiance competing in the top three in the MIAA, thats a joke.
To get to 17, I would certainly assume they had 2 TDs, with extra points, and a FG. And to go from 23 to 33, I would assume a TD, EP, and FG.
does Olivet even have a kicker? my Jr year they went the hole year with out kicking an extra Pt. funny thing is most of thier fakes was out of the PAT formation or the muddle huddle
9-23 projections:
Wheaton all over Hope
Hiker Jim:
I may have made an "oops"! :-[ Were you a soccer guy or runner at Wheaton? ??? Someone told me and I forgot. ;D
Saturday's Elmhurst/Olivet game will be a homecoming for 5 Bluejays.
QB Mike LaFleur Mt. Pleasant, MI
TE/WR Lex Cisler E. Grand Rapids, MI
WR Matt Long Mt. Pleasant, MI
WR Graeme Jarrell E. Grand Rapids, MI
WR Blake Veldhuis Mt. Pleasant, MI
Sounds like Alma is in self destruct mode.
WLCAlum:
Thanks for the game scenarios. Also, a thanks for helping our board "get up there" in pages for posts! We have a long way to go to even think about catching up with the other boards! ;) Anyway, appreciate your contributions.
To fellow MIAA'er's: see my post (i.e. opinion) on the CCIW board about the Hope/Wheaton game.
Mr. Ypsi- I don't think U of M will be able to keep Minnesota under 19 yeards rushing, but I do think they'll be able to contain them to under 100 yards rushing which is very impressive against Minnesota. Michigan's defense is very fast this year which will show why they'll dominate the Big Ten & knock off OSU.
Mr. Ypsi- I don't think U of M will be able to keep Minnesota under 19 yeards rushing, but I do think they'll be able to contain them to under 100 yards rushing which is very impressive against Minnesota. Michigan's defense is very fast this year which will show why they'll dominate the Big Ten & knock off OSU.
That's my take (hope!) on the game. As far as OSU, wouldn't it be great if they were each 11-0 (and ranked 1 and 2)?!
I doubt it is realistically possible, but I'd love to see them re-matched in the national championship game. ;D My conception of heaven is TWO UM-OSU matchups (for HIGH stakes) in TWO months! ;)
I agree, Albion/Hope is the game of the week. It will let us know how far the top is seperated from the middle. My bet is not by much. It was hard for me to pick Albion over Hope, went with past results. :-\
I also like the Olivet/WLC game, and not just because I have a decided interest. This game determines the middle of the pack. Who wants it the most?!
Adrian vs Kalamazoo and Alma vs Tri State give us a preview as to the improvements the Zoo and TS have made. I hope a lot. Would be nice to see all the A's get knocked off. That would mean the MIAA is stronger, which is good for all teams. Everyone go 4-4 this year!!
Have you guys seen today's Grand Rapids Press sports p[age article entitled "Oldie, but not a goodie" by Howie Beardsley? (grpress.com)
He really takes some shots at the MIAA. I do not agree with his conclusion, although I do agree that recent out of conference experience has not been exemplary. It will make it harder to recruit in Western Michigan ... if anytone really in fact reads the GR Press ... and Oldie and not necessarily a goodie.
Comments?
Have you guys seen today's Grand Rapids Press sports p[age article entitled "Oldie, but not a goodie" by Howie Beardsley? (grpress.com)
He really takes some shots at the MIAA. I do not agree with his conclusion, although I do agree that recent out of conference experience has not been exemplary. It will make it harder to recruit in Western Michigan ... if anytone really in fact reads the GR Press ... and Oldie and not necessarily a goodie.
Comments?
Show me a conference that's never had a "down stretch" and I'll show you some land I've got for sale in Mississippi. (I guess by this writer's definition it's the MIAA's turn to be down).
::) :-X
Have any of the MIAA schools from Michigan ever had a strong recruiting base outside the state?
Show me a conference that's never had a "down stretch" and I'll show you some land I've got for sale in Mississippi. (I guess by this writer's definition it's the MIAA's turn to be down).
::) :-X
"down stretch" ... MIAA's turn ... good night, they're in a turnstile, taking turn after turn:
MIAA in the NCAA --
Five wins
Fifteen losses
Britons win one in 1993 and four in 1994
-- we suck
Has any of the MIAA schools from Michigan ever had a strong recruit base outside the state?
When I played at Elmhurst (1999) I would say 1/3 of our team was from Florida and the rest were from the urban IHSA schools in IL. While these Floridians were very talented, I often wondered why Augie/MIllikin/IWU were focusing on the Chicago area, and EC was not. Times have changed and now almost all of our recruits are from the Chicago area/suburban schools.
We do have 4 players from Michigan most notably our QB Mike LaFleur (Mt. Pleasant) and our starting WR Blake Veldhuis (also Mt. Pleasant)
WLCAlum83-- I see I missed your point, my apologies and I agree with your point now.
Alma 28, TSU 0 11:15 Q2
All you ask for from the officials is to let the players (kids) decide the outcome of the game and be fair.
All you ask for from the officials is to let the players (kids) decide the outcome of the game and be fair.
Absolutely. Thankfully here, they were bad, but they were balanced. Both sides had calls go for them and against them, so the players ultimately decided the game. Hopefully the officiating improves, and the players continue to decide the outcome of the game.
Who is the best QB in the MIAA?
Kinda early to tell - was hoping that Bodner(WLC) would make noise but he needs a line.
Hi all, I am afraid I am the bringer of terrible news.
Many of you know formerd3db (Todd) who frequently posts on this board and is a Hope Alum.
Todd and I are good friends. He sent me an email today telling me that his Mother passed away yesterday, unexpectedly. Please keep Todd and his family in your prayers. He asks everybody to be thinking about him and his family as I am sure it has to be very difficult for them right now.
Times like this make football take a back seat in what matters most in life.
Is the 2005-2006 Comet speedster, Raynar Hamilton, an Olivet student this fall?
SEVEN players of the week? Seems a bit silly.
Players of the Week
Offensive Co-Players of the Week: The offensive player of the week honor is shared by Alma junior wide receiver Joe Cline of Ithaca (Ithaca HS) and Hope junior tailback David Booko of Three Rivers (Three Rivers HS). Hope edged Alma 49-43 in overtime. Cline, who is being honored for the second time this season, caught a school-record 17 passes for three touchdowns and 186 yards, Booko tied a school record with six touchdowns, all after halftime, as he rushed for 207 yards on 41 carries. Booko is the offensive player of the week for the second time in his career. Other nominations: Jake Wilson, Albion.
Defensive Co-Players of the Week: The defensive player of the week honor is shared by three players -- Tri-State freshman linebacker Tab McNally of Williamston (Williamston HS), Adrian senior lineman Joel Howland of Adrian (Adrian HS) and Kalamazoo senior Chris Werme of Schoolcraft (Schoolcraft HS). McNally returned an intercepted pass 41 yards for a touchdown in the Tunder's 33-30 overtime loss to Kalamazoo. He was also credited with six tackles, including a sack and 1.5 for a loss. Howland was credited with six tackles, four of them solos and three for lost yardage, in the Bulldogs' 13-10 loss to Olivet. He also had a sack, a forced fumble and pass deflection. Werme tied an NCAA record (all divisions) when he intercepted a pass for a ninth consecutive game. After Tri-State took a 30-27 lead with 47 seconds left in the fourth quarter, Werme blocked the extra point attempt, keeping the Hornets just three points down heading into their final drive. He returned the ensuing kickoff 53 yards to the Tri-State 28, setting up the eventual 47-yard field goal to tie game and send it into overtime. His numbers also included a forced fumble, a fumble recovery he returned 54 yards, two punt returns for 12 yards and two kickoff returns for 66 yards. Other Nominations: Mike Culliver, Albion; Joe Cleveland, Olivet; Adam Korson, Alma; Matt Rugenstein, Hope.
Special Teams Co-Players of the Week: The special teams player of the week honors is shared by Tri-State junior Matt Eby of Warsaw, Ind. (Tippecanoe Valley HS) and Kalamazoo sophomore Jon Rea of Bloomfield Hills (Brother Rice HS). Kalamazoo edged Tri-State 33-30 in overtime. Eby averaged 40 yards over five kickoff returns, including a long of 65 yards. Playing linebacker on defense, he intercepted a pass and had 12 tackles. Rea was four-five on field goals, including one that forced the game into overtime and the game-winner in OT. His field goals measured 25, 30, 47 and 20 yards. He was also three-for-three on PATs. Other Nominations: Brian Hearns, Albion; Kyle Lindsay, Adrian; Kyle Zabel, Olivet; Josh Brehm, Alma; Troy Blasius, Hope.
I hope I'm not out of line......but would it be difficult for folks to delete their game update posts a few days after the game? IMHO they make the board harder (not impossible) to sort through and read. If no one else cares then please ignore me.
BTW, I see Adrian has another DL that is player of the week. That is two weeks in a row. Is their defensive line really that good?
"It would be nice to see Olivet take the conference, seeing as they haven't done it before" Before?? I think you mean recently b/c Olivet has won the MIAA many times. They are also 1 of the 2 original members of the MIAA
Olivet MIAA Champs in 1895, 1901, 1906, 1907, 1909, 1911, 1913-14, 1974, and I believe 1974 is the last MIAA Championship.
I agree that seeing both Hope and Olivet in the NCAA Playoffs would be great.
"'My opinion is they need to add a tough team to keep the competition level up" ??? :o
Ah, Albion won the Nat'l Championship in 1994, Alma is a playoff conditioned team, Adrian is very competitive, Hope has had playoff successes, I don't think anybody has ever said the MIAA is not a competitive conference. In other words, the existing tenured schools of the MIAA are very good.
"It would be nice to see Olivet take the conference, seeing as they haven't done it before" Before?? I think you mean recently b/c Olivet has won the MIAA many times. They are also 1 of the 2 original members of the MIAA
Olivet MIAA Champs in 1895, 1901, 1906, 1907, 1909, 1911, 1913-14, 1974, and I believe 1974 is the last MIAA Championship.
I agree that seeing both Hope and Olivet in the NCAA Playoffs would be great.
I stand corrected. (I took in Olivet's feed of the last game, and may have misheard something). -X
WLCALUM83
I think the best crow is served on the corner of Bluemound and HWY 100. What is the name of the burrito place Quboda(sp)? Just joking, they serve the best I have found in Milwaukee. Hot, fast, and not bad prices. Take the coupon they give you at the football games and you can feed cheep. The more important question is what are you doing posting at 4:30AM!? Just getting in... or going to work? ;)
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today. I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team. Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores). Booko is an amazing back. He runs tough! The Bulldog defense is very tough. They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half. Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special. Congratualtions to Hope! Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today. I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team. Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores). Booko is an amazing back. He runs tough! The Bulldog defense is very tough. They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half. Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special. Congratualtions to Hope! Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!
Hold off at least a week before sending the gift. Hope plays at Tri-State next week. If the Flying Dutchmen come in there flat and TSU is on top of its' game things could be interesting.
That has got to be the biggest win Tri State has had in football since joining the MIAA.
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today. I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team. Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores). Booko is an amazing back. He runs tough! The Bulldog defense is very tough. They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half. Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special. Congratualtions to Hope! Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!
I must respectfully disagree with your opinion that "Adrian had the better team". Adrian did make some mistakes that cost them. However Hope also made several mistakes (4 interseptions and costly penelties) that Adrian could have capitalized on. Adrian did not, may be because the Hope defense is too good.
Aslo Adrian was suppose to have the best run defense in the conference, yet the the Hope Oline and David Booko racked up 170 yards on the gound.
Aslo Adrian was suppose to have the best run defense in the conference, yet the the Hope Oline and David Booko racked up 170 yards on the gound.
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today. I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team. Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores). Booko is an amazing back. He runs tough! The Bulldog defense is very tough. They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half. Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special. Congratualtions to Hope! Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!
I must respectfully disagree with your opinion that "Adrian had the better team". Adrian did make some mistakes that cost them. However Hope also made several mistakes (4 interseptions and costly penelties) that Adrian could have capitalized on. Adrian did not, may be because the Hope defense is too good.
Aslo Adrian was suppose to have the best run defense in the conference, yet the the Hope Oline and David Booko racked up 170 yards on the gound.
Hope defense is very good. Rugenstein is a hell of a player. Not only did he pressure the Adrian Offense all day last week. He made several plays in coverage. However, I think the most underrated player on Hope's defense is Zach Huizing, that kid can flat out play. He has my vote for Defensive MVP of the MIAA.
Speaking of quarterbacks, from what I hear Brehm may be the best QB in D III. Any opinions on that?
The Adrian score was 20 - 0 at the half, not 20 - 12. The final score was 33-13, the last TD was scored on Adrian's 2 defense in which WLC called a timeout with about :30 left...with their 1 O still in. I will say, Kehl is a great back, better than Booko I believe. Looks like Coach Cole was right when he declared Hope MIAA champions several weeks ago.
ACRULZ:
Nothing against or to be taken away from Kehl as I'm sure he is a great player and student-athlete. However, I would say that most people would disagree with you in your comments that he is a better back than Booko. The latter is just one, tough, bruising back who has speed, agility, and strength to run over people yet make moves when necessary to "jock" people. He is also has good hands and is a good blocker. His overall league stats at least in running are better than Kehl's and this with his not being 100% and missing this last game due to an ankle spain (he should be back to form for the Olivet game).
At any rate, while admittedly I have not yet seen Kehl, as for my opinion, in all fairness I will wait until having the opportunity to see them both at the same time when Wis Luth visits us at Hope for the final reg season game in two weeks. That being said, as WLCALUM83 noted, I also add my congrats Kehl for his overall career and contributions to WLC's program, despite their tough season this year.
bulldog alum:
Of the following wins, which one was the most satisfying for you? :) ;) :D ;D (After all, I shared mine).
2000: Adrian 13, WLC 12.
2002: Adrian 56, WLC 26.
2003: Adrian 31, WLC 17.
2005: Adrian 31, WLC 14.
2006: Adrian 33, WLC 13.
ACRulz- Yes, Water Street is a nice place and one where you can get "tipsy" very easily. ;)
What are some of your keys and/or reasons why you think Olivet will beat Hope Saturday?
The Olivet Team that I saw in Week 3 (Olivet/EC) game was a Comet Team that was still developing and gelling. I still think the Comets (perhaps) may have beat us if they didn't cough up the ball early. They have a sleek runner and a pretty good line. Their QB was o.k. but that also could be because it was week 3 and still getting the rhythms established.
Boy, I don't know. The one time I saw Hope this year (v. Albion), they played a very physical game. Especially in their running attack, Hope is not afraid to come out and punch you in the mouth. Olivet may well win this game, but I'm not sure that they'll out-physical Hope. I'll be interested to see how things turn out.
As a side note, did anybody watch that Louisville-WVU game last night? Someone really ought to tell the Big East about a little thing called "defense."
I know I don't post here much, if at all, but I was looking over the Hope/Olivet boxscore
How on Earth did Hope win?........5 firstdowns?
Olivet's starting punter was also hurt I hear. In a punt fest that will definitely make a difference.
sac:
Hope won because of the defense, which made big stops when they had to. It was a defensive slug-fest and both teams played tremendous in that aspect. Olivet is a very good team and my (our) "helmets are off to them" for a great effort and game; they are, IMO, the MIAA surprise team of the year. Both teams, however, did not play that well offensively. Granted, the Comets could pass the ball against Hope's secondary, which had trouble covering their very good WR's, especially on long "down and out" patterns. However, Hope's pass rush was too intense for Olivet, and their QB made the mistake of throwing the ball not anticipating Hope's CB (Blasiak) being in position for the long TD score.
Hope, on the other hand, will have to indeed crank up the offense to have a chance in the playoffs. They repeatedly could not convert 3 and 1 (or less) situations which needs to be improved. And the 1-13 passing in the first half is not a great stat except that it was for the TD pass, and in the end, that's what counts.
It was a very good MIAA game, with a pretty good crowd - near but not capacity which was slightly disappointing since it was essentially for the MIAA title - I expected more Olivet fans for overflowing standing room only. Their football complex and the synthetic turf, however, is very nice.
Our coaching staff did a tremendous job, the players never gave up and had great intensity when it got tough towards the end. Also, I compliment Olivet's coaching staff which did a good job also along with their players. Officiating, however, was not very good yesterday - a topic and situation which continues to get worse in the MIAA unfortunately, and one which we've discussed here in the past as well as in general on other boards.
Anyway, congrats to the Hope team and their staff on the MIAA title and AQ. We still have one game left vs. WLC to "run the table" after the 0-3 start before even starting to think about the playoffs.
Congrats to the other MIAA winners yesterday - it appears there were some very good games.
ACRULZ:
In most cases that is usually true, however, yesterday it did not make a difference. Both punters did fairly well; there were a few shanked or shorter kicks, but with good bounces in favor of the kicking team and none that put people in extremely poor position that I recall. The poor kicks were, IMO, due to the tremendous pass rush by both teams. Olivet's punter did a pretty good job; but so did our kicker Bowen (although the latter missed a PAT, his fieldgoal was a fairly long one and dead on accurate - could have cleared another 10+ yards at least). Nonetheless, the kicking game can make the difference in a game like yesterday's and it almost did, had Olivet pulled out another score in the last 2 minutes of the game.
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what a great hope played saturday verus olivet there d shut them down
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saw it thanks, sounds like it was a real Midwestern slugfest.
Doesn't really matter -- if they seed based on the actual criteria Hope will still be last out of this group.
[Isn't possible Hope could get the number 7 seed in the North? The reason I ask is Wittenberg also has 3 losses; Capital (7-1) now ranked 5th overall, Dayton not ranked and Ohio Wesleyan (3-7) also unranked on 10/21. Hope's three losses; first three games of the season were to Central(9-0) now ranked 10th, Depauw (6-3) un ranked, and Wheaton (8-1) now ranked 18th. Seems that Hope should get consideration to move ahead of Wittenburg based on thier recent loss to Ohio Wesleyan, and the quality of teams Hope has lost to.]
Just my opinion but I believe The MIAA teams need to branch out of Michigan and recruit players from elsewhere. With 3 MAC schools and countless GLIAC schools the kids that are left in Michigan are pretty well picked over. I believe that is the reason for poor showings in both non-league games and the playoffs.
I think we all would like to see Hope win a couple games and they sure have the talent to do so.
I think we all would like to see Hope win a couple games and they sure have the talent to do so.
I don't understand this talent idea. The Flying Dutchmen haven't won a non-MIAA game in 2006....Central, DePauw and Wheaton all beat Hope. Do you see those three teams as going into the 3rd round of the NCAA's?
ACRULZ
Are you a "Hope hater" or something like that? ;D Not sure I agree with you on the talent issue. Nonetheless, your post concurs with the rest of our opinions in that it takes "some breaks/luck" to win some games at times. It could happen for Hope in the playoffs, although as I think we all agree, that will be difficult if Mount Union is the opponent. Regardless, I hope you are pulling for your MIAA respresentative in the playoffs. Your negativity against Hope is not helpful. We root for whatever MIAA team respresents the league in the playoffs. I went to last year's Albion playoff game and supported them (even though they are arch rivals) - while they did not play well enough to beat Wabash, it wasn't a blow-out either and with a few of those "breaks" you talk about, it could have occurred. Yet, it didn't and that's history. Give us a "break" and point some "Hopeful" support for the playoffs please. ;)
ACRULZ
Are you a "Hope hater" or something like that? ;D Not sure I agree with you on the talent issue. Nonetheless, your post concurs with the rest of our opinions in that it takes "some breaks/luck" to win some games at times. It could happen for Hope in the playoffs, although as I think we all agree, that will be difficult if Mount Union is the opponent. Regardless, I hope you are pulling for your MIAA respresentative in the playoffs. Your negativity against Hope is not helpful. We root for whatever MIAA team respresents the league in the playoffs. I went to last year's Albion playoff game and supported them (even though they are arch rivals) - while they did not play well enough to beat Wabash, it wasn't a blow-out either and with a few of those "breaks" you talk about, it could have occurred. Yet, it didn't and that's history. Give us a "break" and point some "Hopeful" support for the playoffs please. ;)
LOL! I didn't mean for it to come off that way however I was just looking at it realistically. I do "hope" for the MIAA rep to do well in the playoffs. I just do not want any false "hope" out there either.
Who would you vote for for MIAA football coach of the year?
Hey, ACRULZ, this poster's got a suggestion for a Christmas gift Hope could send Tri-State for beating Olivet--how about a 6-month supply of Gatorade? ::) ??? (Why not? TSU could either keep it in storage or use it for more soakings after future victories!!) Ba dumm bumm. :) ;) :D :) ;) :D :) ;) :D
Mount Union is human flesh and blood??? Where have you been? They are a machine--just wait and see!! :o
Mount Union is human flesh and blood??? Where have you been? They are a machine--just wait and see!! :o
For your info, there is an airport 25 minutes drive from Mount Union College. Its called Canton-Akron airport and its airport sign is CAK if you want to check into flying in and out. I just flew from CAK to DET airport and it was 25 minutes in the air. I dont know who would rather fly than drive...but you do have options. How far is Hope College from Detroit anyways?
Hello Hope faithful!
A Mount fan here who would be interested in learning about what kind of offense the Dutchman run, and who is considered their "big guns"?
It's nice to get some prior knowledge of who's who before the game.
Thanks, and safe journeys to anyone that is traveling.
ACRULZ:
You make some valid points re: Wallace for consideration. Several posters here had this similar discussion last year; seems like every leagues followers have this discussion every year. ;D The award signifies "this year", not a career. According to league stats, Wallace had more total tackles than Rugenstein, however, the latter had more sacks overall and averaged at least one per game. He also had some bigger key plays for stops it would appear. Another factor is that Hope won the league and it usually occurs that "to the victor goes the spoils", even if that might seem and/or be unfair at times. I recall in several seasons where the championship team afforded the most all-league selections when, for sure, there were a few players from other teams that were not chosen First Team who perhaps should have been. Last year as I recall, the league interception leader was among those and in the opinion of many, should have been. Of course, there are many deserving players, but unfortunately, only specific # of spots for first team. While Wallace is certainly deserving of the MVP, so is Rugenstein, and in life sometimes,
"that's the way it goes". My congrats to Wallace, though, on a fantastic career at Adrian.
Congrats to Hope Flying Dutchman for making the playoffs. Even though you have to play Mt. there is a plus side to this matchup for Hope. First of all you will get to see how you stack up against one of the better programs in D3. You can use it as a measuring stick for what your needs are in order to improve for the future. Second, the experience will be invaluable for your underclassmen next year. To be the best you must play the best. Good luck on your trip to A town.
2006 AVCA NCAA Division III All-America Volleyball Team (http://www.avca.org/collegiate/DIIIawards/06DIIIAA.asp)
AVCA DIVISION III FIRST-TEAM ALL-AMERICA
Kristen Kalb Calvin College OH Jr. 5-9 Stow, Ohio
AVCA DIVISION III SECOND-TEAM ALL-AMERICA
Molly Krikke Calvin College MB Jr. 5-11 Greenwich, Ohio
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.
Go Bucks!
Go Raiders!
Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?
You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?
It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams.
Make that three :-X :-X
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.You know what they said about David and Goliath in the Bible (and Rutgers last week) don't you?! :) ;) ;D
Go Bucks!
Go Raiders!
Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?
You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?
It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams.
Make that three :-X :-X
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.
Go Bucks!
Go Raiders!
Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?
You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?
It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams.
Make that three :-X :-X
That sounds good, perhaps it will happen if Boise State makes the Rose Bowl! ;)
You know what they said about David and Goliath in the Bible (and Rutgers last week) don't you?! :) ;) ;D
I'll give you David and Goliath but Rutgers/Louiville is not the same as Hope/Mount Union.
Maybe if Boise State were to beat Ohio State, that might be closer to this matchup. :)
Since we're discussing "impossibilities", can I throw another example as in the Centre College upset of Harvard back in the 1920's?! ;D
God Bless Bo Schembeckler. Rest in Peace. Remember you Meeeechiganners...he was from Ohio and he graduated from THE Ohio State University. No wonder he was good for TSUN! Just had to get that in. ;)
WLCAlum83-l
Are you going back to your Alma Mater for the NC/CUW game tomorrow? If you are, stop by the pressbox after the game, I would like to meet you. I will be calling the game with Wes Anderson. I will be wearing my Elmhurst Windbreaker, so I can be easily spotted. Hehe
Good luck to Hope and all playoff teams on Sunday. Tis' the weekend for upsets! :P ;)
There was word a little while ago around here that Brehm was being looked at by the Jets and Raiders. No news recently though. I would think he would probably go the CFL route or maybe Arena. I'll let you guys know if I hear anything here though (I work for Alma :))
The Jets and Raiders must like MIAA football players. Rumor is Taz Wallace is also being looked at by the Jets, Raiders and the Bears. Also good luck to Taz Wallace who is leaving Sunday to participate in the Magnolia Classic.
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.
Actually, I thought he was Third Team AA according to the local papers today.
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.
Actually, I thought he was Third Team AA according to the local papers today.
Not according to the D3sports.com team (http://www.d3football.com/tow/06/allamericans.htm). What AA team are you referring to?
Yes, congrats to Brehm, Cline, and Wallace on their well deserved All-American honors.
HOPE you all have a very merry Christmas and happy New Year.
D3DB - You got mail.
Pat what happened to the HCSC board, it is no longer showing up or i am going stupid...either is a strong possibility
Two side notes, was anybody as surprised as I was to see Kirk Cousins was offered a scholarship to play QB at MSU, I mean I know they're dissapointed about losing Nichol but is Cousins really a Big Ten talent. Would love to hear more on that from somebody who knows more about him.
Two side notes, was anybody as surprised as I was to see Kirk Cousins was offered a scholarship to play QB at MSU, I mean I know they're dissapointed about losing Nichol but is Cousins really a Big Ten talent. Would love to hear more on that from somebody who knows more about him.
Ask someone from Zeeland West ..... 55 - 21
To me, it seems like Cousins and Josh Rooks (Northwestern) would have had wonderful careers at a place lke Hope instead of sitting the bench or getting their heads kicked in while in the Big Ten.
D306:
I couldn't agree with you more. Indeed, the remaining MIAA stadiums i.e. Albion and Kazoo (with the exception being Hope's Holland Munincipal Stadium and WLC and Tri-State since they are all newer) have a that great old traditional feeling and basically being on the original fields. Keeping that "atmosphere" is a good aspect and important (at least it is to me! ;D) and I think Olivet accomplished this by keeping their stadium renovation on their original field of over 100 years. That being said, we can't really put Adrian's beautiful new stadium or the others in that category (except perhaps Alma since theirs remained on part of their old 1929 field, albeit switching positions a bit with the then baseball field), but these new ones are in a somewhat different light. Holland Munincipal has a great "semi-bowl-like" setting and is a more modern style; Adrian's while very modern is similar, yet what makes the latter's attractive is it's return to an "on campus" stadium. I think that was very important for the Adrian students although the college certainly shared a very good relationship with the high school and its community over the recent decades when at Maple Stadium (which is a neat stadium itself). Overall, if Hope, Kazoo and Tri-State put in turf, it will make those fields/stadiums even more attractive.
I also think you hit on an additional important point. Since many of the high schools have now put in wonderful, expensive modern stadiums with state-of-the art facilities, and the turfs, indeed the small colleges have to upgrade their stadiums to be able to attract student-athletes for football (and the other sports that use their stadiums). It doesn't look good to a propective recruit to come to a college, even if it is a small college, when their own high school stadium is light years ahead of the college's. That is one aspect (although among other aspects) that was a hinderance to Olivet for a long time. Paticularly, in this era, when it is becoming more difficult to recruit due to costs and competition from the DII schools in the state, this is one area the small schools i.e. MIAA schools need to keep up on. Zeeland's newest and 2nd h.s. Zeeland West built a beautiful facilitity, bricked stadium, brick and iron fencing around the field giving it that "old style feeling" and, of course, the new turf. Kind of makes Holland Munincipal feel even more behind the times perhaps, although obviously not entirely.
Anyway, as we've discussed, it will be interesting to see what happens, although again, I think it might be another year or so at least before considerations for this become "real"??!!! On the other hand, maybe the process will start moving faster. Thanks for your input and opinions.
Perhaps it would be wise to "tread lightly" on the DIII is a superior education generality. For example, Ferris State has an outstanding pharmacy program if I'm not mistaken and Grand Valley, an excellent education program. Can you get these educational programs at a DIII school? Education? Yes. Pharmacy? Not to my knowledge.
My point is, I don't know if it's fair to generalize that anyone who went DII did so because they didn't care about (or couldn't afford) a good education.
Not trying to light you up, here, but even after your clarification, I think you're missing the reason some kids go to DII schools.
In my thought pattern most premier DIII colleges offer a far superior education than most of the DII colleges I am aware of in the geographic area served by MIAA specifically.
Let's face it, the vast majority of these Student Athletes are not going to play FB after college, why would anyone let that be your sole deciding factor for your educational opprotunities?
Hey I havent been keeping track of everything this year and was wondering how recruiting was going for each school and how each school looks for next year any info would be great since Im coaching up in Minn. and get very little news about stuff from back home
The following one-time MIAA football players have found a new league to continue putting that athletic talent to use in:
The link is: http://www.continentalindoorfootball.com/ (click on team logo, then "roster")
Team Player Position School attended
Kzoo Xplosion D White RB Kzoo
Kzoo Xplosion K Lackscheide OL/DL Olivet
Kzoo Xplosion A Storey OL Olivet
Muskegon Thunder M Cumings LB/DB Hope
Muskegon Thunder D McKeown WR/DB Adrian
Muskegon Thunder A Pringle DL/FB Albion
Muskegon Thunder S Wasil QB Albion
Muskegon Thunder T J Williams RB/DB Adrian
Miami Valley Silverbacks J Oliver QB Tri-State
17.11.6.1 Exception
An institution is permitted to conduct conditioning and strength training sessions and limited skill instruction during a consecutive five week period outside the playing season. During this five week period, the institution may conduct athletically related activity on a maximum of 16 days with no more than four days of athletically related activity in any one week. Any athletically related activity (per Bylaw 17.02.1.1) shall constitute the use of a day. Skill instruction during this period shall be limited to passing, catching and kicking related drills. Such instruction may include offensive and defensive alignments, but may not involve contact. Except for footballs, the use of helmets, pads, blocking sleds or any other form of sport-related equipment is prohibited. No missed class time is permitted for these sessions. (Adopted: 1/10/05, Revised: 1/9/06)
ACRULZ, check the D3football.com front page. Two stories -- one with draftees, another with signees and free agent invites.
I believe there are pictures of Taz at the Lions camp on the Adrian site if anyone is interested.
Check D3baseball.com, Doc.
Come on, man -- you're inheriting the Mr. Ypsi mantle of not doing your own research. Read the front page of the site for something important like that!
Anyway, Hope is not a bad team and has been steadily improving of recent, yet getting Marietta will be no easy game.
former,
A signup on one d3sports.com site is a signup on all. No more excuses for avoiding d3baseball.com! (Though I suppose we probably won't see you 'til next season.)
And congratulations to Hope on a very nice season.
formerd3db:
From what i had heard before leaving Adrian is that plans for that had been scrapped and