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Title: FB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 05:08:10 am
This is the new home of ASC discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on August 16, 2005, 08:19:20 am
first, and I guess my username has now changed to my log in....from etbualum to etbufan
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jbower01 on August 16, 2005, 08:28:04 am
I like the fact that the ASC is now in its rightful spot--on top of the South Region!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jbower01 on August 16, 2005, 08:29:25 am
But then I lost about 1,000 post credits, on top of the 2,000 or so I lost the last time the board was tweaked.   :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 16, 2005, 09:03:40 am
This is a test! ::)

Go Cowboys!

 :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: houstonfan on August 16, 2005, 09:06:45 am
This will take some getting used to.....I like the format.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2005, 09:51:26 am
Well, I see Josh found the new smileys ...    ::)

and the sorting is done by posting activity, apparently.  I guess that means the SCAC will be at the bottom from now on.  :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on August 16, 2005, 10:10:02 am
 Let's see if I can work the new "smiley's.";D
Whether or not I can, I like the new format, but will still need to adjust. It does seem easier to edit.
Of course, that leaves room for fewer excuses for poor grammar and poor spelling. Especially if one is "hucked own fonix."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 16, 2005, 01:11:33 pm
Testing, testing testing... ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on August 16, 2005, 01:26:59 pm
Like the new format...now everything is in order except we still have to wait a few weeks for games.  Time seems to be dragging along!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2005, 02:37:09 pm
Josh, you were at 943 on the old board and I'll add those posts now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2005, 02:40:24 pm
Another test...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on August 16, 2005, 02:42:51 pm
One last comment about McM coaches that have left the program before we move on to this oncoming season.
Coach Keenum and Coach Sauceda both made a 6 hour trip to The Woodlands to attend my son's wedding this summer. I don't think most coaches would make the trip especially after they have left the program.  It just goes to show the class of the coaches at McM.  I know coaches are measured by the number of wins, but the reason my son went to McM was because of the quality of the people at the university including the coaching staff.  McM didn't win many games while my son played, but the coaching staff (and the players that stayed with the program) are all winners in my book.
I wish Coach Keenum and Coach Sauceda the best in their new endeavors.  
Now let's get ready to play ball. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on August 16, 2005, 02:47:25 pm
Pat,

I had to reregister also, can you hook me up?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Chess4Me on August 16, 2005, 02:50:17 pm
I like this new format! I'm especially glad that moving it to this new server will keep the website from slowing down so much, especially on game days, when I want to keep track of the other scores from across the country. Great job, Pa!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 16, 2005, 02:54:36 pm
There's a lot of really cool, customizable stuff in the profiles section.  I'd encourage everyone to check it out and take advantage.

Major league upgrade--good stuff, Pat!   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 16, 2005, 03:02:29 pm
I'm curious as to how the karma points work, however.  I'm thinking that you get +1 for a positive feedback, -1 for a negative.  Doesn't look like you can vote for yourself, anymore.  THAT should be an interesting twist!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on August 16, 2005, 04:50:44 pm
Hey Pat, any chance of putting the posts in the opposite order so that the most recent is first?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2005, 04:55:05 pm
That's one of your profile options.   Click the profile icon at the top of this screen, then "Look and Layout Preferences" on the left side ... then click the checkbox for "Show most recent posts at the top."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on August 16, 2005, 04:57:07 pm
ahhh gotchas I figured there might be something like that but had to make sure. Appreciate it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 16, 2005, 07:00:58 pm
Proud and long time ASC fans, I was in Abilene last week and had the chance to talk with one of the locals who knew the Abilene sports situation.

As you remember, former McM Head Coach Steve Keenum left the coaches job to take the directors job at the Big Country FCA chapter.  The major anuual fundraiser for the FCA is the all-star game in the summer for graduated seniors.  My friend's report was that this year's game was the most successful ever.

Congratulations to Coach Keenum and continued good luck in your post at the Big Country (Abilene Area) FCA.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on August 17, 2005, 11:36:29 am
I like the new format, but I'm starting over as junior varsity.  Pat, can you get me updated?  Thanks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on August 17, 2005, 11:45:00 am
first, and I guess my username has now changed to my log in....from etbualum to etbufan
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on August 17, 2005, 11:51:13 am
I guess Texas Lutheran has no preseason post to date, I do understand that they are suiting up 150 athletes for this coming season. I guess turning their year around helps get the athlete. They also have quite a few new facilities. Looking forward to a good year. Hopefully Trinity will go in the win column this year. I hope I have posted correctly, still getting used to the new format. ??? ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 17, 2005, 12:05:05 pm
Daaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmnn!

Ralph has 8 stars!   :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2005, 12:31:15 pm
Such is life in the Hall of Fame. :)

The merger gives Ralph HOF status on both boards now, actually.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 17, 2005, 01:53:17 pm
This a test. It is only a test. If it were an actual post you would be free to agree, disagree, add aditional comments or toally ignore the content... 8)

It is at times like this that I wish I were a bit more technologically savvy  ;D.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUbigFan on August 17, 2005, 02:40:42 pm
Cannot wait like many of you for Football season to start! Thanks Pat for making this change and all of those who were in this change as well...you guys do a great job and I dont think we really tell you that enough. I have frequented the D3 board for quite some time and never really posted much...so I guess I am "fairly new" but like previously said, I cant wait for football season to get underway. Of course I am pulling for those Cowboys...sounds like great things have been going on in camp from the "word on the street"...also wanted to pass along to ya'll another cool thing that a friend of mines girlfiend, who plays soccer at HSU, showed him...Looks like the Cowgirls have stepped it up a notch -- > http://www.hsucowgirls.com Not sure if any of you are interested in the program but maybe some of you Cowboy/Cowgirl fans might want to take a peek.

Anyways in closing...looking for a great season of football and glad to be posting on this board finally.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 17, 2005, 03:48:23 pm
In actual fact, more than half of those posts probably come on in-game updates from radio webcasts of football, basketball and baseball games!

Thank goodness for Kit Kimbrell and Leon Rollins! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2005, 04:21:31 pm
I posted this on the SCAC board as part of some other comments and thought it would be of interest to at least some of you.

For those wondering:  this is my preliminary schedule for game coverage this year:


I would like to take in one other ASC contest, and IIRC for the first time in D3football.com history a SCAC tilt not involving Trinity.   In either case, the game would need to be significant in terms of the conference and/or the region.  It ain't easy for me to get anywhere in either conference (except Austin College) and obviously the potential to cover "significant" games there is somewhat limited.   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 17, 2005, 07:22:50 pm
Bonzo, Here are a couple of suggestions:

TLU at ETBU Oct. 8th, 2pm.

HPU at ETBU Sep 17th, 2pm.

With those you will have seen 6 of the 10 ASC teams.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 17, 2005, 08:07:46 pm
Ron, you might consider coming to hang with me at the HSU/LC game on 09/16.  We could double-team the game;  you writing it up, me photographing it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gocru on August 17, 2005, 08:21:00 pm
GO CRUSADERS!!!!

hey guys this new board will take a little getting used to it took me 5 minutes to find where to post.good luck this.UMHB is havin 200 people report!That is awesome.Good luck every one looking forward to a great year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on August 17, 2005, 08:52:50 pm
Pat -- The new set up really does look good. No huge deal, but as with Bowerman, I lost posting credits and waqs downgraded to second-string from starter. Man, I really did work hard during off-season and have added speed and muscle without losing skill. Any chance of getting that changed back?
Thanks -- as always -- for a great site.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2005, 09:24:19 pm
Baddog, I don't have a football poster under your e-mail address. What e-mail did you use to register for the old Post Patterns?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 18, 2005, 12:13:10 am
HSU has 171 Cowboys on the roster!

Go HSU! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on August 18, 2005, 12:17:29 am
Hardin Simmons University Cowboys

What's going on in Abilene at HSU?  Has anyone been able to take in any practices?  I saw them practice Saturday in between rain lightning delays.  They looked very quick but I couldn't really tell a whole lot.  Updates would be greatly appreciated.  Go Cowboys!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 18, 2005, 12:18:17 am
Go Cowboys!!!

Cool!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on August 18, 2005, 12:38:31 am
dsc,

I heard a figure closer to 190.  I think they have a couple of new players who could make an immediate impact.  They have a couple of holes to fill, so I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 18, 2005, 01:20:18 am
Yeah, I heard the same thing...about a couple "impact" players.  I know Abilene has been getting "tons of rain"...so I hope they are getting some practice in! ???

If there is anyone in Abilene who can tell us anything about the workouts, players, etc...we'd really appreciate it...I'm on the East Coast! :-\


I think the students arrive on Thursday...I hope someone gets their laptops up and reports some news!

Go Cowboys!

I love this new board!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on August 18, 2005, 01:52:45 am
Go Purple! Go Gold!

That should cover the bases ;D

DSC,

Concerning Abilene, the weather the last few days has been good.  today was kind of hot, but with the rain it has been fairly comfortable.  I was by campus today and NSO is going full speed, the freshman are all acting nuts.  I didn't watch practice, but they were out on the practice field working hard when I saw them. 

I'll try to get some better info for you and post it

BTW the new effects are fun!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 18, 2005, 09:04:09 am
Pat, the number of "posts" does not seem to be counting.  I posted three times and I'm still at 493.

Obviously, you can tell we like the new features...

Thanks, just a FYI...or maybe I am not understanding how it works. ???

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 18, 2005, 09:07:56 am
Disregard last post!


It's working...apparently increases and changes on all the postings, when you have a new one.

dsc
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 18, 2005, 11:05:48 am
Toby,

I am fortunate, with the 2 hour time difference, I can listen to most of the UMHB games before heading out for the Linfield home games. We did miss a few minutes of the Wildcat semi-final against Rowan (which was 2 Wildcat touchdowns) because we were not going to miss a single second of the Mount Union game.

One great thing about Linfield last season (and perhaps this year as well), all the playoff games were at home. To quote my oldest son, "That was sweet!"

GO UMHB!  GO WILDATS!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpudad on August 18, 2005, 12:13:07 pm
New to the board and Division III football.  My son is a freshman at HPU and reported for practice last week.  I got introduced to Division III last year with some of my sons friends being on the UMHB squad.  I'm looking forward to the season.  HPU just changed their coaching staff.  I'm not sure how they will do.  Best of luck to all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on August 18, 2005, 12:53:48 pm
hpudad,  We were new to d3 football 2 years ago.  Our son transferred to UMHB and it was an incredible experience.  We soon learned about the d3football web site and I've learned a great deal from it.  Hope your experience at HPU will be as much fun as ours at UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: IRONHAND on August 18, 2005, 01:18:20 pm
NEW TO TO THE MESSAGE BOARD AND D3 FOOTBALL. MY SON IS A FRESHMAN AT UMHB AND REPORTED FOR FOOTBALL MONDAY. MY DAUGHTER TRANSFERRED TO UMHB FROM TARLETON WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT'S WHERE HER BROTHER WAS GOING. THIS LOOKS LIKE A GREAT WAY TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. THANKS TO ALL WHO GOT IT GOING.

GO UMHB!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on August 18, 2005, 01:24:45 pm
Kelly,

So, when it comes time for college for the kids which way do you push...

MHB or Linfield?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 18, 2005, 01:25:07 pm
I first became acquainted with DIII when UMHB entered the fray. However, Linfield has been my training ground (though I do listen to at least part of every UMHB game via the Internet). We moved from Austin to McMinnville 6 years ago. The Cat's have a rich tradition and a great following. The atmosphere at the games is wonderful. When in Austin, I had season tickets to the University of Texas. Today, you couldn't give them to me. I will take the DIII experience and my Wildcat tickets over DI every time.

HPU... I think you will enjoy the DIII experience at Brownwood.

I have to add that I think D3.com adds to the experience. Whether you post or not, the site makes it easy to follow your team and track all the DIII conferences.

GO UMHB! GO LINFIELD!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 18, 2005, 01:34:56 pm
Toby,

We hope the kids will choose UMHB. Even though when the time comes we could still be a long way from Belton, both sets of grandparents will be nearby, so I think we could all survive the separation.

I will need to write more - and sell more of what I write - wherever they choose to go. Given the fact that few students finish their degrees in 4 years these days, there is a distinct possibility that I could have four in college at the same time. Most assuredly, I will have three. Can you say, $$$ka-ching$$$?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on August 18, 2005, 01:53:20 pm
Alum in Cat land:  I'm a huge D3 fan also but I'll take your UT season tix!! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 18, 2005, 02:06:25 pm
Hey cover,

They weren't the greatest seats in the house. While they were on the 40 yard line, they were in the upper deck. If you know anything about DKR-Memorial Stadium then you know that most punts never got high enough to make to our level!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on August 18, 2005, 03:48:42 pm
I like the new forum......

DIII football is awesome!!!  I was attending HSU back in 1990 when they brought football back to the 40 Acres.  Back then it was NAIA.....a poor man's version of DIII....I am so glad that HSU moved up to DIII.  The competition has been great and it is nice to see the ASC become more and more competitive nationally every year. 

It looks like HSU and UMHB are going to fight it out again this year.  TLU and ETBU could also make it interesting.

GO COWBOYS!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jyoung on August 18, 2005, 05:34:43 pm
Good looking board, not that I had a ton of post, however would you check and reset.

Thanks

Let's  play football!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on August 18, 2005, 08:10:16 pm
Hello all!  I'm also new to this board and to D-III.  My son transfered to HSU from a D-II school and he was a late transfer so we just barley made it.  I hope that he can be one of those impact players the other HSU posters mentioned.  They have so many over there it is amazing.  Ok well I'll be a regular on here and like most of you I can't wait to get this thing going.

I'll also be on hand to watch practice on Friday and the scrimmage on Saturday!

Go Cowboys!

Z~
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on August 18, 2005, 08:40:09 pm
How is everyone out there? I know most of you by what u post as i have been a constant reader of this ASC message board, but never replied.  Now that i can no longer play D III football, i figure this is the next best thing.  I am really looking forward to this upcoming season and cannot wait to watch my first UMHB game from the stands (although i would rather watch from the field!)  I have a lot of respect for all teams in this conference and look forward to talking football with all of you for the 2005 season.  GOOD LUCK TO ALL!

GO CRU!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on August 18, 2005, 09:19:45 pm
39

Sure will miss you in the middle of the Cru defense. You were fun to watch for the three years I saw you play.

Pat

Congratulations on a great addition to the site!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on August 18, 2005, 11:00:55 pm
i posted a message earlier in the evening, however i do not see it on the main ASC message board.  Excuse the noobie but why is that?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 18, 2005, 11:20:35 pm
Welcome to all the new posters.  Z-10, you'll have to keep us posted on the Cowboys...some of us live a l-o-n-g way from Abilene...e.g. Washington, DC...we need a "reporter."

Cru-39, did you "find" your first posting?  This is new to all of us, but here is a suggestion.  Look up at the top and you'll see a "baby face/profile."  Click it.  Then on the left are some options.  Click on "Look and layout preferences."  Then on the right there are more options and squares to check.  Click on:  "Show most recent posts at top."  Click  the update...lower right and then the next time you open the ASC Board, the posts will be in descending order with the newest one listed  FIRST.  I have found this works for me.  Also, remember to click on the "preview" ...check it over, then click on the "post".  Once you do that, your posting is launched. :D

I hope this helps.  It is only a start...you can experiment further on your own. ;D

For "moving" banners, highlight what you want, then click on "M" =Marquee
dsc
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on August 18, 2005, 11:22:40 pm
ahhhh... the noobie gets it, new posts are at the end now, not the beginning...

IRONHAND--- i think your son and daughter will thoroughly enjoy their experience at UMHB.  I graduated in May and  had a great four years there.  The coaches there are phenomenal and i am sure your son will love to play for them.  What position does your son play???

As far as Cru football goes... I think they have a chance to go a long ways again this year.  We are returning many of our starters and also a large group of freshmen that got significant playing time last year.  They are definitely a very talented bunch.  However, The ASC is getting tougher and tougher each year and i think that fact may play a role in a key loss to a ASC powerhouse such as UMHB or HSU.  TLU gave the Cru a scare early last year and is definitely on the rise.  Their defense was young and if they have improved it will make them a lot tougher of an opponent this year.  ETBU can never be counted out... they have too much talent that just needs to be tapped and if it is, we could see the 2003 season all over again.  

I am getting my fix of football now that i am coaching linebackers for the Harker Heights Knights, and loving it.  But i still cant wait to get back and watch a good ol' DIII football game!

GO CRU, GO KNIGHTS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on August 19, 2005, 12:29:12 am
Welcome aboard ZMotion and welcome to HSU Football!  I think you will really enjoy this experience.  I look forward to meeting you at a game sometime.  If you take in practice on Friday and the scrimmage Saturday, let us know what you think.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on August 19, 2005, 12:44:51 am
ZMotion,

What time is the scrimmage on Saturday?  I'd love to see it but my daughters 8th bday party is that day.

Up with the PURPLE
the GOLD
and the WHITE
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2005, 02:38:56 am
Click  the update...lower right and then the next time you open the ASC Board, the posts will be in descending order with the newest one listed  FIRST.

Sure, if you like reading backwards. Personally, I think it makes most sense to go to the South Region topics page and click on the NEW icon next to a conference board with new postings. That takes you directly to the first post on the board you have not seen, and you can read down like normal.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 19, 2005, 05:55:45 am
That's fine Pat.  We just have to experiment.  Is there any place we can find all these "hints" you are recommending? ???

That was one of the options, so I chose it. ;D

When you are like me and check the board 4 or 5 times a day, you like to see the latest one first.
I don't mind scrolling down to the beginning of the topic...which is usually only a few messages.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I confused anyone... >:(

I'll try your way, if I can figure it out.  Thanks for all the "bells and whistles."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 19, 2005, 06:12:32 am
Hey gang,

I tried Pat's way...and as usual he's right! :D

Just click the last page number on the conference line and it takes you right to the page for the latest posting...then you can read in the "normal" way.

Thanks, Pat.

BTW, where are the FAQ's?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2005, 10:40:58 am
It's a brand-new board and I'm learning it the same as the rest of you. Does the help? button at the top of the page have anything useful?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 19, 2005, 11:01:55 am
Yes, very "help"-ful.  I didn't even see it.  I'm sure the answers are there. :-*

Well, how'd I know? :o  (paint face red!)

Thanks,

dsc
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on August 19, 2005, 11:28:45 am
ZMotion,

What time is the scrimmage on Saturday?  I'd love to see it but my daughters 8th bday party is that day.

Up with the PURPLE
the GOLD
and the WHITE

I ended up not making it to the practice today.  But the scrimmage is at 10:00 a.m. & then again at 2:00 p.m.  on Saturday.  I will drive in to Abilene this afternoon and spend the night then catch both of the scrimmages tomorrow.  I'll be sure to post my thoughts for you guys out of town.  This is so exciting!!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on August 20, 2005, 08:11:50 pm
Just got back from the scrimmage (HSU).  Make a long story short the offense looked great.  Good job running the ball and passing.  The defense loked good as well.  Of course the offense was doing a good job af letting them know who was better.  Does that make sense?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on August 20, 2005, 09:23:44 pm
Will HSU have a game-sytle scrimmage next week as they often do? I might be able to get off work to see it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: IRONHAND on August 21, 2005, 12:21:56 pm
CRUALUM39,
MY SON WILL BE PLAYING CORNER. IT'S NEW FOR HIM SINCE HE'S BEEN PLAYING RUNNING BACK. AFTER THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS HE WAS A LITTLE MORE POSITIVE WHEN I SAW HIM YESTERDAY. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE COACHES ALL THE ONES I HAVE MET HAVE BEEN GREAT TO US. MY SON AND DAUGHTER ARE EXCITED ABOUT BEING AT UMHB.  GO CRU!!!

AS FOR THE TEAM, THE LOOKED REALLY GOOD ON SATURDAY. BOTH SIDES WERE HITING HARD AND GETTING WITH IT.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tiger_Eye on August 21, 2005, 01:46:33 pm
kickoff draws nigh...

sweet new board
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on August 21, 2005, 10:32:53 pm
First time on the new board and I get to welcome my son to the message board  ;D 

Crualum39, It's good to have you on the board finally.  Although I will miss watching you play, it will be good to have you earning a paycheck instead of taking from mine ;)   

To IRONHAND and the new parent posters in the ASC, "Welcome, and I hope you enjoy your years watchimg your son play in the conference half as much as I enjoyed mine". 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: flyboy on August 22, 2005, 12:39:21 pm
All this change.  What is a body to do.  It'll take too long to build all the posts we had from before.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jyoung on August 22, 2005, 01:01:04 pm
Will there be a pick the score page this year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 22, 2005, 01:19:41 pm
Yes, we will start up the ASC Pick'em game next Sunday August 28th in anticipation of games for September 3rd.

We will publish the guidelines and rules then.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: elcowboy on August 22, 2005, 06:39:06 pm
EL is back!!  Attended both HSU scrimmages this past weekend.  It was both exciting and depressing--not having a family member in pads (for the first time in 15 years) was the depressing part--but seeing him work with the players as a GA was very exciting --now for my report.  in the morning secession, very impressed with the freshman class.  I don't think its fair to the young kids to try and pick out talent from one viewing but I saw an outstanding QB,  a few big OL guys, and some talented receivers.  I think this could be a very good group of young players (can you say reload).  In the afternoon the offense looked really sharp and crisp.  Everybody looked in great shape and ready to go.  The kickers really impressed me.  I think a couple of the transfers will contribute early.  Fans will see some new guys on the field and will probably be surprised who they don't see.  Go Cowboys       
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on August 22, 2005, 10:13:40 pm
El Cowboy,

Thanks for the report!

HSU Cowboys!  Branded for Life!
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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on August 23, 2005, 12:05:39 am
Hello Elcowboy,

Welcome back.  Appreciate the report on practice.  I can imagine it would be depressing not having one of your own playing.  Has GB the GA had any reports for you?  Just wondering if he has a take on how he feels the Cowboys are progressing in filling the holes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on August 23, 2005, 09:16:51 am
Any news from the cellar dweller LOBOS ????  Can they cause some upsets to the upper tier  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 23, 2005, 09:34:39 am
Just a quick note that I have created a new poll (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3601.0) as to which South Region conference will go deepest in the playoffs.  You have to vote to see the results, so get in there and vote!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 23, 2005, 04:10:49 pm
On a separate topic, check out this lated development on the "hostile mascot" front:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2141197

Will McMurry pursue a similar tact with the NCAA?

If so, I wonder how many schools will ultimately end up impacted by this.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 23, 2005, 09:44:27 pm
Pat--

After today's display of prowess, are you seriously going to keep Cummings on the staff next year?  I mean, SALISBURY?  You've gotta be kidding me!  I'm LMFAO right now!   :D

Nice job, though.  Looking forward to getting on the ethernet at work tomorrow already.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2005, 10:38:15 pm
I think Pat knows the cardinal rule of predictions -- it's boring if everyone picks the same answers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocfan4life on August 23, 2005, 10:52:48 pm
I just wanted to say HOWDY to everyone and to let you know that I plan on winning the pick em contest this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 24, 2005, 10:37:31 am
Yeah, but it has to be a believable prediction.  Oh well, LOL!

I thought the Ohio Wesleyan thing was right on, BTW.  Time will tell, though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 24, 2005, 04:16:40 pm
Hey Pat, any chance of putting the posts in the opposite order so that the most recent is first?

That's one of your profile options.   Click the profile icon at the top of this screen, then "Look and Layout Preferences" on the left side ... then click the checkbox for "Show most recent posts at the top."

Cool, cause I like 'em the other way. Strangely.

This is new to me too, but seems to have a lot of the customizable options that boards from other online sites (there are some?) do.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 24, 2005, 04:34:36 pm
I think Pat knows the cardinal rule of predictions -- it's boring if everyone picks the same answers.

I gotta admit, without a chance to explain yourself, it's hard to doubt and it makes the weird ones stand out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on August 25, 2005, 04:12:28 pm
The season starts a week from Saturday for some teams.  Not many posts on preseason predictions since we got the new format.  So here's my picks:

HSU - First inclination was to go with MHB, but it appears to me that MHB lost more (key) seniors than HSU and the teams were evenly matched this year.
MHB - Wouldn't surprise me if they made the D3 championship game either.
TLU - Need and could beat one of the big 3 Texas teams.  Most likely Trinity but it sure hurts that Trinity will have 1 game under their belt when they play TLU's opener.
ETBU - Disappointing season last year.  Most talent of remaining teams.
AC - Always consistent and coaches get the most of what they have.
LC - 1 season under belt with new coach.
HPU - New coach, new QB, I think they take a step back.  AC,LC and HPU could all end up tied.
MC - Best of the rest.
McM - Check my name, think we are better than we played last year and new QB and running backs look pretty good if the OL can come together.
SRSU - Bring up the rear of the conference but are a much improved team from 2-3 years ago.  The last 3 could also be in any order or all 3 tied.

I should be a great season and I wish all the teams the best.  Looking forward to the weekly pickem contest. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on August 25, 2005, 10:08:11 pm
As ya'll know, I'm an MHB guy, but I must say that I'm impressed with the caliber of people on the HSU team.  Being a grad student, I don't get much interaction with the undergrads, but in the last few days I've met several of the Cowboys.  Jordan Neal is taking a graduate class with me while finishing his undergrad degree, and one of the incoming freshman, a DT is looking for ways to be involved in the community and running for freshman class president.  Both very impressive from the quality-human side of things.  These are players I can get behind and support, except the week of October 22 of course.

In case people have missed it, these are student[/color][/size] athletes.  I love D3 football!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on August 26, 2005, 02:16:49 pm
My predictions:

UMHB
HSU
TLU
ETBU
Miss
La
HPU
McM
SR


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 26, 2005, 02:19:05 pm
My predictions:

1) UMHB--Still the king!
2) HSU--Makes the Playoffs
3) TLU--Can earn a Pool C bid if they beat Trinity
4) ETBU--Best of the Rest
5) HPU--With their best season
6) AC--Moving on out!  Glad to be dropping UMHB and HSU for Millsaps and Sewanee.
7) MC--Maybe the D2 talk is vanquished.
8) LC  (I just discovered the "8" "0" is the sunglasses emoticon!) :D
9) McM (But 5-5 would not surprise me either!)
10) SRSU (Might win several conf.  in other parts of the country... ;))
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on August 26, 2005, 03:07:16 pm
jmnaseum,

Austin College has not left yet. :D  You left my Roos out of your picks !!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 26, 2005, 03:48:36 pm
With all due respect to you, Ralph, and to the MHB players that have worked hard and deserve their recognition and success over the last few years, HSU's 10 conference championships and 8 playoff apperances since 1993 still earns them the "King" title in the ASC. 

At least until UMHB can put together a few more seasons like the last two.  Just MHO.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 26, 2005, 04:56:02 pm
Josh, ain't it gonna be fun when UMHB and HSU meet again this year? Twice? ;D  I hope that someone can fly either Pat Coleman or K-Mack in for the regular season game . . . a Game of the Week!
 
What I would really like for the conference is for the conference to be sent to different regions in the playoffs like 2001, except win this time? ;)

If we had tri-champs at 9-1, we might even see 3 playoff bids, too!  That would be special!

Well, we are only 8 days away!

Pick'em contest rules and the Week #1 games will be posted on the other board by Sunday pm.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 05:00:20 pm
Josh, ain't it gonna be fun when UMHB and HSU meet again this year? Twice? ;D  I hope that someone can fly either Pat Coleman or K-Mack in for the regular season game . . . a Game of the Week!
 

Huh.  If I have to drive to cover the game then those guys can take their chances.   :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 26, 2005, 08:10:11 pm
Josh, ain't it gonna be fun when UMHB and HSU meet again this year? Twice? ;D  I hope that someone can fly either Pat Coleman or K-Mack in for the regular season game . . . a Game of the Week!
 
What I would really like for the conference is for the conference to be sent to different regions in the playoffs like 2001, except win this time? ;)


Agreed, agreed on all fronts.  Kings of the conference or not, UMHB will still be the most formidable opponent on the HSU schedule this year (with UWSP right behind), and is certainly capable of not only winning the ASC, but going deep into the national playoffs.   

And, barring disaster, I think the ASC is a lock for two teams in the playoffs--at least this year.  Three may be hoping for a bit much, even if the nuclear scenario of 3 nine-win teams becomes a reality.

If there's any way I can get down there for that game, I'm certainly gonna try.  I've got the FF miles to do it, but don't know if the work schedule will allow me to get away.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 11:29:33 pm
Three 9-1 teams from the ASC would IMO stand a decent chance of getting three bids.  That would mean that TLU had quality wins against Trinity and either MHB or HSU, with the team losing to TLU beating the one that did not.  It would be virtually impossible to break a tie (unless one of the three losses was substantial).  The "quality of wins" would be very high for all three.  Ralph can probably calculate it in the next ten minutes  :D

I doubt it will happen (this year, anyway) but it is an interesting scenario to consider.  And should TLU defeat Trinity in two weeks, you can bet it will get some coverage in my column. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 26, 2005, 11:53:11 pm
Bonzo, I forgot about your covering again this year.  Sorry about that!  I will make the same statement .  On October 22nd, HSU ought to pay your gas...200 miles each way, at least 34.5 cents per gallon or better.  That would be reasonable and laudable!  (And I am spending someone else's money! ;D)

UMHB at Willamette is a creditable win!

Ditto for HSU at UWSP on Sep 3rd and TLU at Trinity Sep 10th.

All three of those wins would be creditable but only the South Region win by TLU over TU would count under primary criteria as stated in the 2004 Handbook.

The bubble team might be the 8-1 South Region team which lost to TLU (South Region 9-1).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2005, 12:45:39 am
Interestingly, HSU has three times benefited from another school's generosity in getting me and/or Keith McMillan to an HSU game -- UW-Stout brought us out for the Stout/HSU game. McMurry brought us out for a Abilene football weekend in 2003 and the HSU/McMurry basketball doubleheader in January 2005.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2005, 08:16:43 am
And, hey, if someone wants to fly Pat and/or Keith out so it can be the national Game of the Week, I'll gladly get out of the way.  I acknowledge being little more than a bump on the mountain that is D3football.com  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 27, 2005, 11:58:59 am
First press release by the ASC office.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/50824football-weekly.pdf
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on August 27, 2005, 08:50:16 pm
Hey Cru fans......
  Thursday's scrimmage (Sept. 1st) has been moved to Friday, Sept 2nd!  Same place...same time...just pushed back a day.....
 ;D 
G O   C R U!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on August 28, 2005, 11:56:17 am
I'm interested in the TLU-Trinity.  Should give us a good indication of how much better (?) TLU will be this season.  Trinity already having played a game will give them a huge advantage in my opinion.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on August 28, 2005, 08:21:06 pm
I think MC will be interesting to watch this year.  Coach Joseph is an excellent coach, and they will definitely be a much better team than in the years past. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 29, 2005, 10:24:38 am
Great article in the Killeen Daily Herald about Hardin-Simmons. I thought I would pass a link along for your reading enjoyment.

Since 1990, Hardin-Simmons winningest college program in Texas
http://www.kdhnews.com/sports_1.html

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: willystyle on August 29, 2005, 01:25:09 pm
Belhaven
HSU by 3
LC
McMurry
ETBU
TU
Millsaps
Rowan
SJU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 29, 2005, 01:26:41 pm
Thanks for the link, UMHB....  (too long of a handle!   ;D )  The article was well written and on-target, IMO.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on August 29, 2005, 01:54:24 pm
Willystyle, wrong board.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 29, 2005, 01:58:29 pm
No problem Josh... on the handle, call me whatever you want, just call me to supper!

The handle describes my team loyalty as well as my geographical location. I am a loyal Cru fan (Up with the Purple!) and would be a season ticket holder if I lived in Central Texas. However, since I reside in McMinnville, Oregon the next best thing is Linfield! I couldn't lose in the Stagg.

I'm getting ready for UMHB's visit to Oregon on September 10. It will be my only opportunity to see the Cru in person. I'm cleaning the grill and looking forward to some great tailgating and then watching UMHB put a tail whippin' on Willamette. Meanwhile, about 12 miles west of Salem (Oregon) - home to Willamette, Linfield will be demolishing Western Oregon Univ. at Monmoth. It will be a great day for this Cru/Wildcat fan.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 29, 2005, 02:04:10 pm
UMHBalum-n-catland, that avatar is rather insensitive to be posting on the ASC board.  How about an avatar that at least shows a UMHB TD over Linfield on the ASC boards?  ;D

What ever you decide to do on the NWC boards is their business? :D

Be sure and post for the ASC pick'em contest!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 29, 2005, 02:51:15 pm
The avatar has a UMHB player and a Linfield player in the same shot (the only one I could find). And I am not certain that it is a touchdown. So, the point is to have both teams represented in one picture.  8)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 29, 2005, 02:56:21 pm
Thanks UMHBalum-n-catland for the explanation.  It has been a long off-season, reading the outlandish posts by those Cat-fans. :)

The best we can hope for is a repeat by the ASC in the Stagg Bowl and an ASC win this time!

How about taking some pictures at the UMHB-Willamette game and posting them? ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 29, 2005, 03:19:06 pm
Yeah, I know some of the Cat fans. Mostly they are a good bunch of folks. However, you have to hand it to them, 50 consecutive years of winning seasons is pretty impressive. As Mac Davis used to sing, "Oh Lord its hard to be humble..."

I am proud of UMHB, they gave the Cats all they could handle.

I'll do my best to get some pictures. I will have my hands full that day with helping to feed the UMHB alumni, staff and fans that are flying out for the game. However, I will to my best to get some game shots.

I need to do some work with my new digital camera. I have been helping out with a local news paper on high school sports coverage. Hence, I needed a better camera. Now I have to learn how to use it!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 29, 2005, 03:23:42 pm
UMHBalum, perhaps you could put in the requisiton to the Alumni Affairs office at UMHB and let them buy your new digital camera.

You could be the auxillary support alum for the northwestern US and use the camera for UMHB functions in your area! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 29, 2005, 03:38:21 pm
Ralph,

LOL... if only there were enough alumni in the Northwest to even begin to justify thinking about such a request.

When UMHB played Willamette at Salem in 2003, the invitation to the tailgate party only went to alumni. There were a total of 5 present (and that was counting me and my wife). This year, I asked the alumni office to invite all the UMHB fans making the trip. We are hoping for a good turnout. And an even better game... as in UMHB by at least 4 touchdowns!

My UMHB connections tell me that Josh Welch is tabbed to start at QB. I only hope that with him at the helm they might open the offense up a bit and throw more. We shall see...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2005, 05:01:43 pm
My UMHB connections tell me that Josh Welch is tabbed to start at QB. I only hope that with him at the helm they might open the offense up a bit and throw more. We shall see...

I would hope so.   The kid only took them to the Stagg Bowl as a backup last year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tuxguy on August 29, 2005, 05:25:31 pm
UMHB-N-Catland..... The photo works for me, Let me know where you are going to set up before the game, I hope to make it to salem at half-time. We should have the wolves  put away early!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on August 29, 2005, 06:04:32 pm
Hey Tux,

I am quite certain the Cats will have things well in hand by the end of the first quarter. If you really think you might slide by, let me know. I will look for you.

I know the Linfield game will be a rout and I am hoping UMHB will follow suit by drubbing the Bearcats.

A friend that was at the Stagg sent me a championship game program. After seeing all your football memorbilia, I was wondering if you would like it as an additional momento of the Cat's 2004 championship season? If so, I will drop it by some time.

GO  UMHB    GO LINFIELD
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on August 30, 2005, 09:17:45 am
roocru, sorry
let's spice things up and put AC at the bottom before they leave the conference!
How is that afor a departure gift???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on August 30, 2005, 11:33:19 am
For any Crusader fans out there we will be having a tailgate party before the first home game on Sept. 17 at the new Walmart in Belton Tx.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on August 30, 2005, 05:41:41 pm
Has anyone heard how MC and its facilities fared with Katrina?  Our  thoughts and prayers are with everyone impacted by the storm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2005, 08:00:22 pm
They seem to have come through with minor damage:

http://www.mc.edu/alert_index.php

photos on the website.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: goodeyesniper on August 30, 2005, 10:15:26 pm
Cru is bringing it home, holla.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on August 30, 2005, 10:37:23 pm
Excellent pre-game matchup features are available on both the HSU and UWSP websites.  HSU's is under Game Notes and UWSP's is a feature article.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on August 30, 2005, 11:10:24 pm
We'll see, jmnaseum.  I think they will fare better than that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 01, 2005, 02:17:39 am
I spoke with a few of the rabid Cowboys/ Fans about Saturday's Game, and the seniment was basically the HSU will win.  One fan said if HSU loses, it'll be close.  If they win, it'll be big.  I don't know what I think, but I picked HSU by 3, at 31-28.  I'd prefer it be more like 42-14.

For the Cru Faithful

I just wanted to drop a little scouting report.  I was told that HSU picked up a corner back transfer from a d2 school in Arkansas that looks physically like another Will Galusha.  It will be fun to watch to see if that proves out.

You can believe that while HSU players aren't allowed to talk about 10/22, they have not forgotten last fall.  Jordan Neal and I were talking last night during a class break and he was struglling to remember Josh Kubiak's name (so was I), but he definitely remebered Josh's two picks. He also had some very complimentary things to say about MHB.  He really is a class act.

To the players that may be reading.  Play them all like there is no tomorrow.  I would love to see two undefeateds hammer it out for #1 on 10/22.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Nimbly_bimbly on September 01, 2005, 09:28:22 am
What time does HSU leave for the game? and how long of a flight will that be?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2005, 12:04:37 pm
From notables (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php):  MC vs. Belhaven postponed until Nov 19. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 01, 2005, 12:56:15 pm
Any report from HSU camp on why Reggie Robinson is not playing this year?  I noticed in the Game Notes that he's listed as a student coach.

If necessary, anyone that knows and would share can send me a private message.  I would really appreciate the info, though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 01, 2005, 01:34:32 pm
Josh,

I'll ask around and see what I can find out
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 01, 2005, 02:11:50 pm
Thanks.

Just for clarification, don't feel like you have to post anything of a personal nature or quote somebody that wouldn't feel comfortable being quoted in here.  I don't really feel like this is the proper forum for that sort of thing anyway.

I'm mainly interested in his availability later this season or next to sure up our DL--nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 01, 2005, 09:57:43 pm
Got it.  I may just PM the info when I get it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Cru-Manchu on September 02, 2005, 05:11:42 pm
Test

Go CRU!! 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 03, 2005, 10:13:02 am
four hours and counting!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ETeller on September 03, 2005, 02:04:36 pm
GO COWBOYS!! Let me hear back from some HSU fans!

Erik Teler
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on September 03, 2005, 03:33:47 pm
Go Cowboys!  Listening to the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 03, 2005, 03:38:26 pm
Please post any scores, updates or in-game analyses on the ASC In-game update boards.

Thanks!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 03, 2005, 07:51:49 pm
Some interesting posts on the WIAC board. They will need all their cheese to go with their "whine."  :D
When did the Cowboys leave on the trip? If they didn't fly out of Abilene, they would have had to drive to DFW either Thursday or verrrrry early Friday. That would have made for a very long travel day. (And I'll bet they could not afford to take their usual depth.)
To recover from that kind of schedule and win the way they did is pretty impressive -- especially against a team from "the best D3 conference in the nation." What a joke.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on September 03, 2005, 10:27:03 pm
Great Job Cowboys!!!!  Way to go up and handle buisness today.  Dont take the off-week lightly.  You know the results when you do that.  Keep it rollin into the home opener.  Cant wait to watch my first game from the stands.  Or can I?  Oh well.  Public service Annoucement to any HSU fans we will be tailgate partying before the game next Sat.  The more the merrier. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 04, 2005, 01:44:14 am
jmnasuem,

After today's games, do you think my AC 'roos might move up a little in your predicted order of finish?  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 04, 2005, 02:08:15 am
McMurry's article in the AR-N.

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_fb_coll_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8000_4054916,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 04, 2005, 02:30:05 am
The ASC home page has the hyperlink to the D3football.com scoreboard page. :)

Great job to both the ASC homepage and D3football.com!

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 04, 2005, 07:56:24 pm
Looks like yesterday was a nice win for the Cowboys--way to go, guys!

Looking at the stats and reading the write-ups, it looks like the game could have easily been more lopsided, but for some issues HSU had holding on to the ball.  I'm choosing to assume that these were typical first-game-of-the-season issues, and that Coach K will get them worked out in the off week.

I'm really looking forward to being back on campus for the LC game, and hope that the Cowboys put on a nice show for me--I'll be photographing the game for our favorite d3 website!

Anyway, congrats to the HSU guys on a nice win over a decent UWSP team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 04, 2005, 07:58:26 pm
And congrats to McMurry on a nice win over Menlo, too.  (My wife wanted me to add that!)   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 04, 2005, 08:17:19 pm
Josh, thanks for the nice words from your lovely bride.

I was pleased with the way that the Abilene teams performed for the sake of the conference.  AC also looked good.  I hope that TLU took good notes!

I was sad to see LC lose the lead in the 4th quarter.  That loss doesn't help us in the relative scales of the conferences.

The MC and Millsaps postponements are interesting.  I hope that Thomas More doesn't take credit for making the Millsaps-Huntingdon game possible. ::)

I really hope that UMHB has a good week at Willamette, and especially HPU vs. UW LaCrosse. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 04, 2005, 10:05:00 pm
How do you think the TLU-Trinity game shapes up?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 04, 2005, 10:30:46 pm
My opinion, here...

It's always double-tough on a team this time of year opening up with an opponent that has a game under it's belt.  From my observations over the past several seasons, there's a tremendous "learning curve" (for lack of a better term) that goes on with teams--especially the better teams--between week 1 and week 2.

So, historically, I think the Tigers have to have the edge going into the game.

Having said that, they certainly didn't look too good against AC based upon what I'm seeing from the Saturday write-ups.  TLU should have enough talent to get it done if they play up to their abilities.

This should be an interesting tiebreaker game in the pick-em contest;  assuming that's what Ralph has in mind.   ;)  Don't yet know who I'd pick--I may have to consult the Kickoff for this one!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 04, 2005, 10:46:02 pm
Week 2 poll is out...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 05, 2005, 07:49:43 am
I've always heard that teams make the most improvement between their first and second games, so I would think that will help Trinity.  Last year, I think it definitely helped Willamette when they played UMHB.  I guess the same could be true this year.  Sounds like Willamette didn't fair too well against Western Oregon.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on September 05, 2005, 11:11:56 am
McM had a big win to start the season.
Ty Seller (he will remind people of Adam King from HPU) had a great game along with a trio of running backs who altogether rushed for 217 yards with an average of 5.2 yds per carry.
Of course, none of that would have happened without the OLine controlling a much bigger Menlo Defense that put 8 in the box all day.

The defense played much better than the 30 points they gave up.  Menlo only averaged 2.5 yds per carry and much of the passing yards came when the linebackers were dropping back in coverage instead of blitzing.  The 2 blocked punts didn't help either.

Real good start.  But plenty of room for improvement before we play AC in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on September 05, 2005, 02:20:21 pm
I didn't get to the Willamette vs. Western Oregon game but what happened is kind of what I thought.  WOU pushed around a young and small Willamette defensive front.  What I was surpised about is that Willamette was blanked on the day.  Regardless, UMHB is going to have much success running the rock on a small Willamette team.

I'm always pulling for the NWC teams to do well but I think that UMHB is the clear and distant favorite for their game next week in Salem.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 05, 2005, 02:38:37 pm
I'm really surprised Willamette didn't score.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 05, 2005, 05:10:19 pm
Anybody see the UMHB scrimmage?  How did they look?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on September 05, 2005, 09:26:05 pm
 ;D  UMHB looks good...in my opinion they look better at this time of the year than they did last year.  Anxiously awaiting kickoff in Oregon next Saturday...GO CRU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on September 06, 2005, 01:01:08 am
Congrats to the Cowboys on a big win in Wisconsin.  It was a very enjoyable game to watch.  It's great to see such balance on offense.  The defense bent a little but didn't break.  It appears to me the Cowboys have re-loaded.....again, and should be ready to begin defense of their title in a couple of weeks.  Use this week to heal and work on reducing the mistakes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on September 06, 2005, 10:28:15 am
roocru,
sounds like the kangaroos played a good game.  How are the Tigers supposed to be?  Good start for AC, but my poll stays the same!  I just think the ASC is going to be tough from top to bottom. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on September 06, 2005, 02:07:30 pm
This may be a bit off subject and possibly even discussed in the past but reading jmnaseum's post it made me think.   ASC = ACC or Big 12?

Top to bottom are we that tough?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 06, 2005, 03:18:17 pm
roocru,
sounds like the kangaroos played a good game.  How are the Tigers supposed to be?  Good start for AC, but my poll stays the same!  I just think the ASC is going to be tough from top to bottom. 

Twelve-time defending SCAC champion Trinity is ranked #11 in the country by D3football.com and has been in the playoffs the last eight years running.  They are favored to win the conference again this year.  AC's performance was much better than expected.   Not to say Trinity doesn't have room for improvement, but unlike two years ago (also a close game at the half in Sherman) AC battled to the end. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2005, 04:10:08 pm
Consistent middle-of-the-pack Louisiana College blew a fourth quarter lead against a representative Rhodes.

My thoughts are that a dominant ASC will have:
--TLU beating Trinity.
--AC playing Trinity tough.
--LC  edging Rhodes on the road.

McMurry and HSU helped.  ETBU played a tough team that does not help the conference, but did not hurt the ETBU travel budget.  I hope that ETBU will start to schedule some South Region teams.

SRSU ought to handle SWAG.
HPU can shine against a well-respected UWL.
UMHB should defeat Willamette, 1st game vs their 2nd notwithstanding.
I will  be glad when MC resumes playing D3's.

I think that we are still too top heavy to say "dominant".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on September 06, 2005, 04:41:59 pm
I think the ASC is much better than 3-4 years ago, but I wouldn't call it a dominant conference yet.  We have 2 of the best teams in the country and possibly a 3rd if TLU can win this week.  The bottom of the conference is better with SRSU and McM winning a few games last year.
Comments about last weeks results:
HSU with a big win, away against a quality opponent.  Appears ready for showdown with UMHB, hopefully play each other twice again this year.
LC disappointing loss, not ready for primetime yet.
McM encouraging win, will need to show some improvement to beat AC in 2 weeks.
ETBU very disappointing loss at home.  I thought their overall talent and disappointing season last year would result in improved play this year, wasn't evident during the 1st game.
AC encouraging start even though lost the game to highly ranked TU.  Hope this sets up a big upset this week by TLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 06, 2005, 07:00:44 pm
I think we will have a much better idea of how good the ASC is when they start to play each other.  If the conference is stronger, then we should see more competitive games against the top 4 teams in the conference.  There shouldn't be the huge blow outs we've seen in some of the conference games the past few years.  All of the major conferences in the country have weak teams each year.  I think a better indication is how well we do in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 06, 2005, 08:46:50 pm
Wow!  My comment made in jest to jmnaseum has really taken off and started some good conversation.  I agree with Ralph that we are still a little top heavy.  However, let's remember that unlike the NWC (6 teams) and the WIAC (8 teams) we have a few more teams in our conference to deal with.  Perhaps a better comparison is the OAC, also with ten teams, which have perennially sent two teams to the playoffs on the recognition of the strength of their top teams.

I also agree with the first part of BMcCabe statement that closer scores in conference would make a big difference in perception.  However, with regard to the last part, I cannot explain why the WIAC is generally recognized as the toughest or one of the toughest and they do abysmally in the playoffs.

One area I think the average D3 fan overlooks is in the area of statistics.  I know that whoever uses stats last is often the winner.  ;) However,  if you look at last year, for example, the ASC provided several passers in the top echelon (King, Neal, Salinas, Neumann, Cooper and two QB's at UMHB who if they combined stats were pretty impressive).  I would like to see more recognition for the top performers in our league and that even the lower ranked schools provide plenty of firepower to deal with.

I guess what I am saying is the ASC is definitely on the way up and a couple of more years of impressive performances will get us to that "dominant conference" level.

Go Roos !! Go Cru !!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 06, 2005, 08:55:59 pm
RooCru,  I think you are right on.  10 teams in the conference can make for some big differences in talent level.  Look at the Big 12.  I'm hoping we get 3 teams into the playoffs this year, not sure who the 3rd will be.  TLU-Trinity should give us an idea of how much improvement TLU has made.  Good luck to them Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2005, 09:19:45 pm
I think the real weakness of the ASC is not QB's, RB's or  WR's, but in "big" men, the O-linemen and D-linemen.  There are just not enough of them, the really big men, to spread around all of the teams in Texas.

The lineman that we face in Wisconsin or Pennsylvania or Ohio are much larger.  The Poles, Germans and Scandanavians are bigger, taller and heavier than the English, Scot-Irish and Hispanics that we have in Texas.  We always seem to have the speedburners,  but how often to we see our lines giving up 3-5 inches and 20-40 lbs when we play those teams.

I also would make the broad generalization that the major difference across the ASC is not in the QB's, because it looks like LC's Wesley Cooper or McM's Ty Cooper or TLU's Sean Salinas or HSU's Jordan Neal or UMHB's Josh Welsh are more impacted by the respective lines than their own performances.  No slant at their talents, but a greater appreciation for linemen. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 06, 2005, 10:22:06 pm
Ralph,  UMHB made their run to the Stagg bowl last year because of their offensive line.  They took control  in all 5 playoff games.  They totally manhandled the Washington and Jefferson line.  Not only were they big, but they were much faster than the opponents.  I think the same would have been true if Hardin Simmons had gone on in the playoffs.  Speed was the biggest factor.  I think that is where the weaker teams fall off.  Many of the teams in the ASC could not match UMHB or HSU's speed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2005, 11:47:45 pm
Congratulations to the McMurry Offensive Line!  Team of the Week!

http://www.d3football.com/tow/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2005, 12:28:12 am
ASC Players of the week:

Offense - Ty Sellers, QB, Sr., McMurry University

In his McMurry debut since transferring from a NCAA Division II program, quarterback Ty Sellers (Brownfield, Texas/Brownfield HS/Oklahoma Panhandle State) accounted for 247 yards of total offense and was responsible for four touchdowns in leading the Indians to a 40-30 home win vs. Menlo. Sellers threw for three touchdowns and 191 yards (11-of-23), and ran for a fourth score and 56 yards.

Defense - Will Galusha, CB, Jr., Hardin-Simmons University

Hardin-Simmons cornerback Will Galusha (Abilene, Texas/Cooper HS) tallied 11 total tackles, including 10 solo stops, in the Cowboy's 38-12 win at #-/32 Wisconsin-Stevens Point (Sept. 3). Galusha's efforts helped HSU limit the pass-happy Pointers and QB Brett Borchart to 186 aerial yards.

Special Teams - Clint Rushing, P, Jr., Austin College

Austin College punter Clint Rushing (Spring, Texas/Klein HS) averaged 44.5 yards a punt to help the 'Roos win the field position battle in their season-opening 14-3 loss to #11/14-ranked Trinity (Sept. 3). Rushing totaled 267 yards over six punts, sending one for 56 yards--all in the air--for the longest punt in the ASC's five opening weekend games.  [not to mention drawing at least two roughing/running into the kicker penalties...]
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 07, 2005, 12:10:22 pm
How can you guys honestly think that Sul Ross will beat Southwestern Assemblies of God at SWAGU. The Lions racked up 573 yards rushing against Principia College and racked up an incredible 802 yards of total offense. SWAGU has the NAIA's national reception leader in Josh Johnson, who also was a second team NAIA All-American. I know that Principia is no great power, but they are a DIII school in a conference (Upper Midwest Athletic Conference). The Lobos have won nine game in their last six years. Nine. Two each against, Austin, McMurry and TLU. Please. During that same span, SWAGU also recorded nine wins. They have met twice and SRSU does lead the series, but those were games in 1997 and 1998. I think the Lobos will lose. I will give the lobos the fact that they have Barber, but come on what else. This is a game of two bad teams, period.

Speaking of the inability to be great. How about the fact that Sul Ross have its 17-game and 19-game losing streaks snapped with wins over McMurry both times, under the direction of Keenum, who started the 19-game streak as the SRSU coach and then lost to them to snap it. Nice.

I am not a fan of either school, just trying to relay a point that ASC teams are not always the best.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 07, 2005, 12:30:28 pm
A team that gives up 80+ points and 802 yards can't be very good.  I think Sul Ross stands a pretty good chance against SWAG.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on September 07, 2005, 12:38:54 pm
Bill,

That offensive line of UMHB you talked about is the reason why the Cru is going to push Willamette all over the field this Saturday.  I have the Cru as a 3-4 TD favorite at this point.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 07, 2005, 01:05:34 pm
wildcat11, Hope you are right.  I saw on the UMHB website that they have posted the 2 deep depth chart.  I would love to see the game this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on September 07, 2005, 03:18:17 pm
I hope all ASC teams win in their non-conference games!  SR will beat SWAGU ,
TLU will beat Trinity , UMHB will beat Williamette and HPU will beat Wisconsin-LaCrosse.

roocru -- why is my Karma so bad?  (should i say AC will beat SR  ;))
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 07, 2005, 03:35:42 pm
Two teams that have averaged 1.5 wins a year, what makes Sully better? Tell me. I would like to know. Don't tell me SUL ROSS STATE FOOTBALL RULES! What is that? Be real. Use logic.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2005, 04:10:12 pm
Two teams that have averaged 1.5 wins a year, what makes Sully better? Tell me. I would like to know. Don't tell me SUL ROSS STATE FOOTBALL RULES! What is that? Be real. Use logic.

We're talking D3 (ok, NAIA in the case of SAGU) here.  I doubt anyone here has seen SAGU play, and not that many have seen Sully.  The Lobos seemed to be on an upswing late last season, and the only game SAGU won last year was a similar whitewash against Principia, usually one of the worst teams in all of college football.  How they recruit is beyond me, bless the kids that are trying their best. 

People are going with their gut and given that this is an ASC board, many hope that Sully can represent and get the win. FWIW I'm not one of them, but it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on September 07, 2005, 04:37:44 pm
I’ll make a prediction that Sul Ross will be 1-0 after this week.

You're right they have won an average of 1.5 games in the past few years, but this is a much improved team.

They have some new faces that should help out quite a bit. Now I'm not saying that they will go out and win conference (this year) but, they will be a big surprise to most of the teams. Barber & Check will be better this year with more experience under their belts, and they have a defense full of guys who have talent and love to hit people.

I would be surprised if they didn't finish the season 5-5 or better, making it easier to field an even better team for next year.

Go Lobos  ;) 31-14 ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 07, 2005, 05:39:50 pm
Judging by the way they looked in the scrimmage against HPU the only part of the SAGU team that looked good was their offensive line.  Other than that they really didn't have much at all.  SRSU shouldn't have any problem with them at all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on September 07, 2005, 06:07:21 pm
When HPU scrimmaged SAGU not much of SAGU was impressive. Sul Ross shouldn't have a problem handling SAGU. The scrimmage though may have woke SAGU up. But I'll say Sul Ross by 2 touchdowns at least.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 07, 2005, 07:22:36 pm
Spirit . . .66 -- I don't read anywhere here that anyone suggested ASC teams are always best/better/whatever. The issue was/is SRSU vs. SWAG.
SRSU had a pretty tough season last year, but they had a bunch of FR's and, I understand, most/many of them are back. They were pretty doggone athletic last year, but young -- and their record was the result. Like others, I look for SRSU to be greatly improved as will many other ASC teams.
SRSU and SWAG may have similar w-l records, but when one considers the general level of competition against which those records were played and the average point spread against teams of similar quality, a significant edge is given to the Lobos.
Anything can happen, but my money (if I had any) would be on SRSU and I'd be giving SWAG several points. Of course, as the old saying goes, "a fool and his money . . ." :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 07, 2005, 07:45:14 pm
Spirit . . .66 -- I don't read anywhere here that anyone suggested ASC teams are always best/better/whatever. The issue was/is SRSU vs. SWAG.
SRSU had a pretty tough season last year, but they had a bunch of FR's and, I understand, most/many of them are back. They were pretty doggone athletic last year, but young -- and their record was the result. Like others, I look for SRSU to be greatly improved as will many other ASC teams.
SRSU and SWAG may have similar w-l records, but when one considers the general level of competition against which those records were played and the average point spread against teams of similar quality, a significant edge is given to the Lobos.
Anything can happen, but my money (if I had any) would be on SRSU and I'd be giving SWAG several points. Of course, as the old saying goes, "a fool and his money . . ." :P

Points taken, but seriously they are both bad. Correct me if I am wrong, the last time Sul Ross had a winning record was 1996. I realize that SWAGU began as a program in 1996, but neither team has been impressive. You talk about a more impressive schedule for Sul Ross. SWAGU played four teams nationally ranked in the top 25. SRSU played three right? Those of you that know and remember the TIAA/NAIA that our NAIA brethren back then were just as good if not better than DIII.

I am a TIAA/ASC guy, all I am saying is that I have absolutely no faith in Sul Ross winning a single game. Five seniors and eight juniors. I am excited. Maybe next year, but 2005 is not the year of the Lobo. Make me eat crow, but AC, McM and SRSU will fight for last.

Both teams are bad, but I am giving the edge to the home team in this one ... Lions 26, Lobos 21
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 07, 2005, 07:49:06 pm
Judging by the way they looked in the scrimmage against HPU the only part of the SAGU team that looked good was their offensive line.  Other than that they really didn't have much at all.  SRSU shouldn't have any problem with them at all.

dballa,
I do not think that SWAGU or SRSU are in the same league as HPU, HSU or MHBU. That is like saying an El Paso team is going to beat a Little SWC Team (i.e. Midland Lee, Abilene Cooper, Odessa Permian, et al.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 07, 2005, 08:40:41 pm
It's kinda funny you mentioned high school teams because they pretty much looked like one.  Although I would say Abilene High could probably compete with them this year  if not beat them  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 07, 2005, 09:09:41 pm
Exactly, if you think that Sul Ross is any better, you are kidding yourself. Here is 11 years of history.

1994: (0-10, 0-5 TIAA)
1995: (3-6, 2-3 TIAA)
1996: (6-4, 3-1 ASC)
1997: (4-6, 2-3 ASC)
1998: (1-9, 0-7 ASC)
1999: (2-8, 1-6 ASC)
2000: (2-7, 2-7 ASC)
2001: (3-7, 3-6 ASC)
2002: (0-10, 0-9 ASC)
2003: (0-10, 0-9 ASC)
2004: (2-8, 2-7 ASC)

One winning season. One. 23 wins in 11 years. 23. I remind you that neither team is good. Neither. I just think that SWAGU will win because they are at home.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 07, 2005, 09:25:23 pm
jmnaseum,
Don't blame me for the negative karma.  I had nothing to do with that and I'm not even sure how it works.  Obviously someone else is taking issue with your posts.  Every response I have made to you was couched in smiley faces !  I take no serious issue with your posts and I know Sul Ross won last year.  However, hope springs eternal ....

I played at AC from '67 - '71 and my daughter is currently a senior there although my son just finished four great years at UMHB.  I am hoping for a breakout year by AC again (like in 2000 or at least 2002).  I sincerely root for both teams and when they played the last four years I wore a purple shirt and my AC hat.

Go Roos !!  Go Cru !!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 07, 2005, 09:40:27 pm
Nobody has said SRSU has a history of winning...it's just a matter of thinking who is better in this particular game and who will win in a game picking contest..everybody has their opinion and only those two teams will show who is better this weekend...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 07, 2005, 09:44:08 pm
WOW!  Whoever thought the ASC board would be dominated by the Sul Ross game.  Good luck this weekend and hope you come out on top.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 07, 2005, 10:14:14 pm
Shucks Bill, it's only the first game of the weekend.  And this is pretty sophisticated trash talking.

Besides, are we seriously gonna hear any smack by TU or TLU or Willamette or UMHB this week? ;)

The cheeseheads have been quiet, too.

Spirit, the last time SWAG played ASC teams was when UMHB and ETBU were starting their teams.  SWAG was trounced by both in their first games.

This will be a great proxy for the strength of the ASC.  We know the ceiling can extend to Salem, VA.  McMurry did a good job against Menlo.  The "2005 Kickoff" suggests that the bottom of the ASC is still better than 25% of D3.  (You can still buy it...only $4.95 if your email is an "edu" address.  It is well worth the money.)  IMHO, we can get a real determination of the floor of the conference from this game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2005, 11:48:57 pm
There's a surprising amount of respect for HPU over on the WIAC board.   Maybe half of the people participating in the pick 'em have the 'Jackets pegged for the win.   Go HPU !!!

Where are the Howard Payne posters this year, anyway?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 08, 2005, 02:57:25 am
Ron,

Do does HPU have fans other than the parents?  I go to school with I don't know how many HPU alumns and not a one of them cares about the football team.  it is amazing to me. 

I am an MHB fan (someone actually accused me of being fanatical).  I support them when its good and when its bad, and from start to finish either way.  I think the thing that hurt most in last years HSU-MHB regular season game was watching "fans" leave the game early because of the score.  Don't get me wrong it hurt to watch the game, but to not stay and support your team til the end ticks me off.

AS for the SWAG/SRSU game, I gotta go with the home team.  The way I see it, it's like two people looking for the restroom in a dark house late at night.  The person that lives there has the advantage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 08, 2005, 07:05:01 am
I saw on the UMHB website that Freddie Rollins is listed as the starting FB.  That should create some problems for defenses with Bryson and Rollins in the game at the same time.  Also, that should get Carter into the game more often.  He is a very talented and fast RB.  Can't wait for Saturday to see how they look.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 08, 2005, 07:52:54 am
As an HPU fan it's kind of hard to say something about them with a new coaching staff and only having scrimmaged SAGU this year.  We'll find out plenty this Saturday night against Lacrosse.  The new coaching staff has put in place a pretty exciting new offense that fans will love to see.  They should be fun to watch and definitely will surprise a lot of people this year.

GO JACKETS!! (I  guess thats what you've been waiting to hear? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 08, 2005, 08:28:31 am
Bfb -- I looked at the WIAC board myself and you are right. They may be assuming HSU and HPU are about the same.
Though pulling for the ASC team, my picking LX against HPU had to do with LX being better than SP and HPU not being where HSU is at this point. If the HPU web site is correct, HPU has a whole lot of freshmen on the roster.
Home field will help -- especially with the heat and with the usual Brownwood homecooking. Underwood's, of course. :)
Getting a new system in place can work both ways. It adds a new dimension to the usual first-game-getting-out-the kinks thing. On the other hand, the other team has much less to go on from films. And that makes their preparation more difficult.
Well, gotta go sell some tires.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on September 08, 2005, 09:00:55 am
Spirit of 66 -- Didn't the Lobos win the ASC in 1996?
It is amazing that the Lobos and SWAGU are the talk of the board. 
Lobos 38  SWAGU  17
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 08, 2005, 09:12:05 am
baddog actually the HPU roster hasn't been updated for this year on the website.  Hopefully it will be before too long though. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on September 08, 2005, 10:27:36 am
I would be an HPU fan and student at the same time. The students I have talked to are pretty excited about the team this year. Bringing in a new coach and a new philoshophy has people thinking big.  We are excited to see what happens. Support should be bigger than it has the past two years.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 08, 2005, 11:52:10 am
I believe Mississippi College won the ASC in 1996.  First year in the conference, they had some scholarship "holdovers", i.e. they had been scholarship players when the school joined the ASC, and chose to stay after the switch had been made.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2005, 12:01:27 pm
Off by a year, Josh.  According to the ASC Football Record Book (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/recordbook-football.pdf), Sully was co-champ in '96 (along with HSU), MC in '97.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justin ollie on September 08, 2005, 12:37:03 pm
MC had scholarships in 1996 and they lasted until after the 1999 season (holdovers).  They beat HSU once 17-14 to win conference in 97.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BarSRBar903 on September 08, 2005, 01:56:14 pm
Look!  Sul Ross hasn't been any good for last thousand years and we all  know that. 
Nobody knows what sul ross has or doesn't have.  They return one lineman, a quarterback, a runningback and one receiver on offense.  Considering the line and recieving core from last year this is a good thing.  The defense is on tract to really turn some heads.  They return the secondary, a linebacker, which were the strong parts of our defense.  The d-line has new large faces.  So we will have to see what happens on friday.  SAGU has to be respected because 800 yards is a task hard to do even if ur playing 12 year olds. Enough said!  Go  SR wizards!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EAD/PIB on September 08, 2005, 04:25:12 pm
Hey Hey Hey, it is that time again for my new editions to this post board.  Appreciate the work that was done on the board to improve the old situation.  Shout out to those HSU cowboys holding it down in wisconsin and bringing home a win.  I would just like to say good luck to those cowboys and keep up the hard work.  People have been saying all year that HSU will be through another reload period, it is kind of hard to relaod a gun when it has plenty of bullets.  I wish everyone there the best and the ASC better watch out for that sucka SHULTS AND JONES, the are getting ready to wreck and PIB.
PIB/EAD
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on September 08, 2005, 08:00:30 pm
UMHB's season opener is almost upon us!  YEAH!  We are ready to start the season...hope all have a safe weekend whereever your team may be....GO CRU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 08, 2005, 10:03:24 pm
I hope the Cru get off to a great start.  Last year's game was a real battle and 2 years ago in Oregon it was a tight game.  Does anyone know if it will be on the radio or internet?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WSUFan on September 09, 2005, 09:27:18 am
What's the outlook on HPU for the game against UW-La Crosse? I read about the new coach. It's my understanding they may have switched from a spread offense to more of a multiple set?

I would look for the Eagles to run the ball. Don't be fooled by the 340 yards passing against South Dakota State. Trailing 28-13, they had to throw to try and get back in the game. If they do pass, they'll spread it around, as 10 players caught passes last week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 09, 2005, 03:13:00 pm
The weather in Salem, Oregon, is for a 50% chance of rain (surprise?), with a high of 67 degrees.  Two years ago we had to wear sweatshirts to the game.  Hope it is nice tomorrow and the Cru come out on top.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2005, 03:35:29 pm
What's the outlook on HPU for the game against UW-La Crosse? I read about the new coach. It's my understanding they may have switched from a spread offense to more of a multiple set?

WSUFan, new coach, new QB, so the HPU offense probably will not be the high-flying unit we have seen in years past.  If they go with the QB who transferred from D2 (and DI-AA the year before that), it will be someone who has handed the ball off way more than he has thrown it. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 09, 2005, 03:51:40 pm
HPU will run the ball a lot more but they will also pass the ball plenty.  Adam Johnson has a good arm and is very accurate.  He is very mobile and they will also be running the option.  They will definitely mix in a little bit of everything this year and the games won't be the 5 or 6 hr games they have been the past few years. 

People in the athletic department have said they've noticed a big change as far as attitude from the coaching staff and the players.  The coaches are excited to be there and it rubs off on the players.  They are ready to get this year started and you can guarantee, if they lose Saturday night, it won't be from a lack of effort, preparation or heart.  Go Jackets
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 09, 2005, 06:57:15 pm
I haven't seen too much about TLU-Trinity.  Does TLU have a legitimate chance against the Tigers?  What do they have to do to win?  Was Trinity way off against AC or did AC improve that much?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 09, 2005, 11:23:14 pm
I just got back from the SAGU-SRSU game.

SRSU won 24-20 , but looked very sluggish.  I saw the second half.  SAGU scored 3 TD's in the 1st but missed 2 PAT's.  SRSU had 2 TD passes to the TE.

In the second half, both teams failed to score in the 3rd and then SRSU added a 31 yd FG with 8:00 left in the 4th.

On their next drive, SRSU had 4th and 3 from the SAGU 10 with 5 minutes left and then tried a flanker reverse pass that was overthrown in the end zone.  Why the SRSU coach did not go for the tie with a 27yd FG, I don't know.  SAGU drove to the SRSU 10 yd line a lost it on downs.  SRSU finally opened up the offense and stopped trying to "establish the run".  Lovelace hit a bunch of passes and TJ Barber was able to run underneath, finally adding a short (5-10 yd) TD run for the final score.  SAGU tried to drive but time ended on the SRSU 30.

I drove thru the SAGU campus.  The school is growing.  They are adding two 300-students dorms on campus to raise on-campus numbers to about 900-1000.  The school is currently 1450 students according to the school official to whom I spoke.  SAGU had more out for football than ever before.  They are glad to have an NAIA inependent status for football this year.  They look like they are trying to grow the program.  The athletic program has FB, VB, M&W Hoops, Baseball and Men's soccer. The school is positioned to grow there in Waxahachie, and we all know that Dallas-Ft  Worth is growing.

Very interesting night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2005, 11:24:23 pm
Hi, funny -- just got off the phone with SAGU's coach about five minutes ago. Wasn't sure there was going to be any other way to get the score. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 09, 2005, 11:39:54 pm
Pat, Thanks to my lovely bride ( :-*) who let me slip down to Waxahachie* for the game!

*  That is pronounced Wahx' uh hatch' ee.  It is an Indian word that means cow or buffalo.  The high school's mascot is the Indians.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/WW/hew2.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 10, 2005, 08:35:58 am
Let me be the first to eat crow. Sul Ross beat SAGU in the battle of bad teams. I was wrong. At least it made the long bus ride home last night a little more bearable.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 10, 2005, 08:38:52 am
Congratulations to the Lobos for their win.  So much for the team that scored 81 points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 10, 2005, 09:26:09 am
If Lewis and Clark can't play next year and with the departure of AC from the conference, perhaps that will open up some opportunities for non-conference games next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 10, 2005, 10:23:42 am
Spirit -- No eating crow necessary, in my opinion. People just looked at the SRSU-SAG game differently. Some guessed correctly. Others did not. Actually, the score was a lot closer than history (at least as I saw it) would have indicated. Perhaps others would have agreed with me that SRSU would win the game by 2-3 TD's at least. At that point I (and those hypothical others) guessed wrongly. So, if you must "eat crow", save a helping for us. :-\
The game could indicate either that SRSU has not improved much or that SAG's prgoram is making at least some small steps toward a little respectability. And, if so, they are to be congratulated for that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2005, 02:43:28 pm
I haven't seen too much about TLU-Trinity.  Does TLU have a legitimate chance against the Tigers?  What do they have to do to win?  Was Trinity way off against AC or did AC improve that much?

Trinity didn't play to the standard of recent years against AC, but AC did play better and played hard the whole game.  Two years ago, AC played TU about as tough for a half but trailed off badly after than.  New QB for Trinity (Cannon) saw his first full-speed playing time after two years on the bench and very limited garage time last year.

Does TLU have a legit chance?  Well, they stayed within single digits of both TU and UMHB last year, bring back a lot of players this year.  At the same time, a lot of last year's comeback in Seguin vs. TU came after the game was out-of-hand and the last TD came as time ran out.  TLU's Salinas (QB) is the real deal; he'll be playing against the starting defense this time.   If Trinity turns it over five times again, they'll lose.  I expect a good game. 

Here is a Seguin Gazette-Enterprise (http://seguingazette.com/story.lasso?ewcd=441657fd4a7109b9) preview.  Interesting comments by Coach Mueller.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2005, 03:34:27 pm
Gray Fox, it look like we had Pat and D3football.com covered! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CRUGIRL on September 10, 2005, 05:06:08 pm
Hey Fellas -- just getting registered and testing.  This is going to be a great season!!! Cant wait to see the results.  If anyone wants to know UMHB is up 10-0 in the first quarter.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 10, 2005, 05:53:18 pm
UMHB leading 38-10 at half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 10, 2005, 06:01:26 pm
Bill,

Of note with the halftime score, announcers just said that all but five of the kids suited up for the game have already played in the first half.  Willamette's scores came on two turnovers on the 20 and 13 yard line.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 10, 2005, 06:17:33 pm
Crusaders had 380+ yds of total offense in the first half

180+ yds rushing

Jarvis Thrasher 3 carries 80yds (2 tds: 55yds, 21yds)--3rd on the depth chart #2 did not make the trip due to illness

Justin Bryson 6 carries 40yds

Freddi Rollins 28yd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 10, 2005, 06:18:05 pm
Roocru, Seems weird not being at the game.  UMHB has always played a lot of players.  Took a little offense to the reference that the defense this year has more speed!  >:(  Maybe its those 2 linebackers.  Anyway, it looks like the Cru are up and running again this year.  We plan on being at the game next week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 10, 2005, 06:29:01 pm
Bill, you are right, way wierd !!  Altough I did just get off the phone with my SLOW linebacker.  ;)  He is listening on the web with us.  I know yours is enjoying his first game on the coaching side of the ball.  Bret's 9th grade team is now 1-1.

Ernie Starnes and I will both be at the game next week as well.  Why don't you email me your cell number so we can make sure we get in touch with each other !
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 10, 2005, 07:03:06 pm
mhb8904 -- Great, but why the shouting? ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 10, 2005, 07:17:24 pm
I wasn't supposed to be shouting and i lost my signal when I went back to correct it. Sorry everyone! (the appology was intentionally loud)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on September 10, 2005, 07:49:52 pm
CONGRATS to the CRU on a good win.  Little shaky at times it sounded like but hopefully now we have the first game jitters out of our system.   ;D

Too roocru and Bill:
Maybe the defense is "too" fast this year.  Maybe they needed a slow linebacker or two to keep things balanced.   ;)

Willamette has always given our defense a good run because of its sheer complexity and speed.  I think the defense played pretty good for their first outing.  Now there is plenty of room for improvement and i know we will step up to the challenge.  We have too many good kids with too much talent not too. 

Go Cru, Go Knights!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 11, 2005, 02:02:25 pm
CruAlum39,  Well UMHB had the right guys in there to balance it out.  Seriously, I miss seeing you guys play. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on September 11, 2005, 06:29:21 pm
UMHBalum-n-Catland and friends (aka the cooks!),
  On behalf of the UMHB crowd that made the trip to your beautiful state, thanks for the hospitality...the company was great...The burgers even better and, of course, the game was fantastic!  Hope to keep in touch and meet up again in the playoffs! God Bless....

GO CRU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2005, 11:23:22 pm
For lack of a better place to post this without starting a new board, my cousin sent this email about the successful placement of 200 Katrina evacuees.

Quote
Hi Everyone,
Sorry for the mass e-mail.
Our church is helping sponsor 3 families of the
hurricane.  They had a long journey here.  Some were
at the Superdome, then Astrodome and then to First
Baptist Church in Keller.  They (all 200) have either
found their way to family or through the generosity of
2 people they are living in a house or apartment for
up to a year rent free.  Our church is completely
furnishing 3 family's apartments.  All of the people
who were able have found employment.  The people
ranged in age from infants to 80's.
A week from tomorrow we go to the First United
Methodist in Arlington to serve meals, etc to the
storm survivors there.
Pray for our church and everyone involved.  We are
still seeing the generosity of people.  Hopefully, if
anyone of us were in the same position we would be
treated as well as these people are being treated.
They are everyone appreciative of the help.

That is good news!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 11, 2005, 11:37:56 pm
Cruprez,

You are most welcome. It was great time at the tailgate party and it was wonderful to meet you and your husband.

I will pass the compliments on to the chefs. There is no way I could have ever pulled it off without them. By the way, they were more than impressed with the talent and depth of the Cru. When they learned that three freshman were starting in the O-line in place of the starters, they were really amazed. 

The game showcased the Cru's talent They were clearly the better team. Even though they were a bit sloppy in places and appeared a little lethargic at times, they won going away. When the O-line gets healthy and the intensity of conference play hits (this week vs TLU),  I believe the Crusaders are going to come together and be more than tough.

I was talking to someone at the tailgater and they said, "We want to start and end the season in cities named Salem." I like that!

The Cru in 05: Start in Salem... finish in Salem!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 12, 2005, 01:52:55 pm
If anyone has access to last season's stats, I was curious as to how UMHB's defense played against Willamette then as opposed to now.  I know Willamette runs a funky offense, but the Bearcats netted out almost 300 yards rushing vs. the Crusaders Saturday--very un-UMHB-like numbers.

Of course the scoreboard is the only number that really matters, but like I said--I am curious.  Reports from the game also appreciated.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 12, 2005, 02:48:45 pm
Josh,

from the Willamette web site http://www.willamette.edu/athletics/football/records_stats/2004/amhb.htm

                                                           WU     UMHB
FIRST DOWNS...................                      13       19
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............          54-289   55-237
PASSING YDS (NET).............                   68      130
Passes Att-Comp-Int...........            10-4-0  19-12-1
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS.....   64-357   74-367



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 12, 2005, 03:24:48 pm
So it's a comprable performance.  Thanks, mhb8904.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2005, 04:06:12 pm
Welcome to "all-region" status, Josh, with some added karma to mark the occasion.   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 12, 2005, 04:10:16 pm
Thanks, Ron.  With the server switch, I've caught myself wondering how many posts I'd have if we'd been able to count all the way back to 2002 when I first found out about the site.  Looking forward to the next 1,000!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 12, 2005, 08:43:13 pm
Josh,  UMHB had their hands full last year with Willamette.  Double overtime and it took a dropped pass and a blocked field goal to win the game.  I don't think there was any doubt early into the game who was going to win.  This weekend will tell us if the Crusaders are better.  It sounds like they have more speed on defense. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TU2698 on September 12, 2005, 09:24:01 pm
Hey everybody. 

I work for Tulane.  Times are tough as the athletic building is the lowest spot on campus.  For those of you that didn't hear, which I can't imagine is any of you, New Orleans flooded like never before, and the Tulane athletic department is spread all over Texas.  They're going to put me in Lubbock with the baseball team, and I don't know the geography of the ASC.  If there are any d3 teams out in west Texas, I was hoping I could take this opportunity to check them out if I get the chance. 

Everyone here in Texas has been so incredibly nice and accommodating.  I've been offered so much help that I have to come up with creative ways to say no.  At this point, I'm fine except for the fact that my car is in my flooded garage.  All I really need to know is whether or not I can access some non-scholarship football while I'm in Lubbock.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2005, 09:28:42 pm
All I really need to know is whether or not I can access some non-scholarship football while I'm in Lubbock.  Thanks. 

Your closest opportunity is Abilene, where both Hardin-Simmons and McMurry reside.  As Texas drives go, this one's not too bad - a little over two hours.  Two games this weekend, McM-Austin at noon, HSU-Louisiana College at 2pm.  Catch 'em both ... 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 12, 2005, 10:20:45 pm
TU2698 -- Welcome to Texas, but, man oh man, how tough N.O. looks! You ought to check out the Hardin-Simmons game in Abilene this coming weekend. They will be hosting Louisiana College from Alexandria.
If my memory serves correctly, HSU's president has a Tulane Ph.D. and that one or two religion professors at HSU went to a Baptist seminary in N.O. I will double-check and, if you are interested in coming to the game, I will tell one of them about you and refer them to your profile on this site. Perhaps the two of you could communicate and arrange for you to get here.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 12, 2005, 10:44:23 pm
TU2698:

If you have time,  you can take the road trip I'm taking Saturday.  I'm heading to MHB for the TLU-MHB game.  but from Lubbock your talking 5.5 hrs.  The real game to circle is October 22 in Abilene: HSU vs MHB.  In most people's opinion the top tier of the ASC, head to head.  It will be a great  game.  Neither team has won at home since MHB did it in 2002.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 12, 2005, 10:55:57 pm
TU, while you are in Lubbock, another suggestion is to try to find a 6-man game, for something different.  The Lubock Avalanche-Journal ought to help you find a good one.

In Abilene, Friday night, Abilene Cooper HS is playing San Angelo Central at Shotwell Stadium, where McMurry and Austin College will play at 12 noon on Saturday.

Lots of options and good luck while in Lubbock!  And TU, don't feel like you are imposing to ask someone to show you what they consider their favorite pre-game meal and for high school football game.  They will be glad to oblige! :) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2005, 12:07:18 am
HSU vs MHB.  In most people's opinion the top tier of the ASC, head to head. 

Anyone who doesn't have this opinion doesn't deserve to have their opinion counted.   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 13, 2005, 02:51:45 am

Anyone who doesn't have this opinion doesn't deserve to have their opinion counted. ;D
 

I certainly agree!  I'm just being conscious of billboard fodder. ::) 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crusader4life on September 13, 2005, 03:08:37 am
Josh,

from the Willamette web site http://www.willamette.edu/athletics/football/records_stats/2004/amhb.htm

                                                           WU     UMHB
FIRST DOWNS...................                      13       19
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............          54-289   55-237
PASSING YDS (NET).............                   68      130
Passes Att-Comp-Int...........            10-4-0  19-12-1
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS.....   64-357   74-367

UMHB has the stats different on their website,

                                                           UMHB       WU
FIRST DOWNS...................                       21       18
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............            50-352   62-282
PASSING YDS (NET).............                   151       74
Passes Att-Comp-Int...........              12-7-2   12-5-0
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS.....     62-503   74-356
Fumble Returns-Yards..........                  0-0      1-3
Punt Returns-Yards............                  4-54      2-6
Kickoff Returns-Yards.........                  3-40    8-109
Interception Returns-Yards....               0-0     2-13
Punts (Number-Avg)............             2-36.5   6-38.7
Fumbles-Lost..................                       3-3      4-2
Penalties-Yards...............                     9-95     6-47
Possession Time...............                  24:48    35:12
Third-Down Conversions........           3 of 10  4 of 17
Fourth-Down Conversions.......           1 of 1   2 of 4
Red-Zone Scores-Chances.......             1-1      4-5
Sacks By: Number-Yards........               1-6     2-16

I don't know which one is the correct stats just seen the difference.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2005, 03:20:41 am
The difference is the question was about 2004 stats and you posted 2005 stats.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on September 13, 2005, 09:09:21 am
This week --
                     HSU over LC
                     UMHB over TLU (closer than you think)
                     McM over AC (sorry roocru)
                     Sul Ross over MC
                     ETBU over HPU   

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2005, 09:20:02 am
jmnaseum, please join us on the ASC Pick'em board.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on September 13, 2005, 10:35:20 am
What is the story behind ETBU? HPU spotted Wisc. LaCrosse 3 touchdowns before we started to play. LaCrosse is good don't get me wrong but HPU did have 3 turnovers. LaCross only outgained HPU by about 20 yards if I remember right.  Just wondering how good ETBU?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2005, 11:58:02 am
Four turnovers, actually.

ETBU is trying to rebuild after a disappointing 2004.   Too early to really draw any conclusions about how good they are.  I would say they have the potential to be more explosive than HPU but they have to regain the confidence lost in '04.  They were a surprise in '03, everyone went looking for them in '04 and they had some key injuries and losses.   Should be a decent game. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WSUFan on September 13, 2005, 12:26:48 pm
What is the story behind ETBU? HPU spotted Wisc. LaCrosse 3 touchdowns before we started to play. LaCrosse is good don't get me wrong but HPU did have 3 turnovers. LaCross only outgained HPU by about 20 yards if I remember right.  Just wondering how good ETBU?

HPU had 4 turnovers, but only one of those resulted in a score for the Eagles. When you look at the box score, there were a few statistics that stood out to me. Total yards were 386 to 342, but La Crosse ran 20 fewer plays than HPU and the discrepency lies in the 2nd quarter when HPU had the ball for almost 10 1/2 minutes. The other one that jumped out was the red zone. UW-L reached it 5 times resulting in 3 scores, while HPU only got there once for their lone score. It sounds like HPU was solid against the ground game, they just gave up the big play through the air.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2005, 12:31:36 pm
WSUFan, how much diffference in UW-L's play vs. HPU can you attribute to 1st game vs. 2nd game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WSUFan on September 13, 2005, 12:59:32 pm
WSUFan, how much diffference in UW-L's play vs. HPU can you attribute to 1st game vs. 2nd game?

A pretty sizeable difference. Opening up against South Dakota State allowed UW-L to take a look at a lot of their players. Defensively, they didn't have film to study HPU on, so they practiced with the ability to change on the fly. HPU was able to run the ball effectively up the middle, but at that point they were already down 20-0.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2005, 01:05:28 pm
Thanks, Ron.  With the server switch, I've caught myself wondering how many posts I'd have if we'd been able to count all the way back to 2002 when I first found out about the site.  Looking forward to the next 1,000!

You didn't lose any in the switch. You had 945 on football and 10 on hoops.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 13, 2005, 01:34:55 pm
No, I meant the switch a couple of years ago, Pat.  Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on September 13, 2005, 02:03:52 pm
HSU forever!




Testing Avatar.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2005, 02:23:43 pm
Alright, you're taken care of.

Yeah, true Josh -- we didn't start counting posts until a software upgrade a couple years ago.

Looking forward to you and Ron's work this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2005, 02:36:09 pm
But Josh, Pat can offer you an elite category of participation, even more esteemed than "Hall of Fame" or "Guru".

For an appropriate (and in your situation nominal) sum, you can be a Sponsor (Bronze, Silver, Gold or Platinum) of D3football.com, complete with your avatar or picture, HSU Cowboy logo and a few sagacious words to the D3 Community! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ETBUtigersFAN on September 13, 2005, 03:57:18 pm
This is actually my first post.  I am an alum of ETBU.  How do yall think their team is going to do this season?  I saw the first game of the year, but I really feel they were overmatched before the game started.  SAU was HUGE!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2005, 03:57:44 pm
Looking forward to you and Ron's work this weekend.

What Pat means to say is he hopes you will teach me how to be a more effective writer.   :o

But Josh, Pat can offer you an elite category of participation, even more esteemed than "Hall of Fame" or "Guru".

The way some people are about getting "credit" for posts (OK, I'm one of 'em), maybe Pat could sell bumps to the post count as a fundraiser next year.  There would be some who'd pay, sad as it is.  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 13, 2005, 04:41:37 pm
And I don't really care, either...that much!  This weekend should be fun.  Ralph, are you going to join us either in Abilene or at Risky's in Ft. Worth for some post game festivities?

And I don't think your "sponsorship" idea is all that outrageous, Ralph.  I've mentioned before that I'd be willing to subscribe for premium content, which is akin to the Kickoff special.  And if folks order prints from the McM/AC or HSU/LC game this weekend, all of the proceeds will go to benefit d3sports.com.  I'm not taking any cut--best I can do for the site right now. 

Besides, I get the priviledge of offering pithy comments for free, now!   ;D

And Ron, I did take some journalism courses as an undergrad, but I think you do just fine!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2005, 06:49:55 pm
Pat cleans a lot of my trash up, Josh.  Trust me.   ;)

Congratulations to MHB's Stephen Morton, named to D3football.com's Team of the Week (http://www.d3football.com/tow/):

LB Stephen Morton, Jr., Mary Hardin-Baylor

Morton had 10 tackles and three tackles for loss in his first collegiate start. He also forced a fumble and recovered a fumble to lead the UMHB defense in a 45-24 win at Willamette.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 13, 2005, 06:53:37 pm
Josh took journalism classes. More like Josh attended journalism classes. I read some of those stories.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 13, 2005, 07:32:35 pm
Josh Bowerman:

What's with the symbol? Are you a Mason? Or do you merely like the G within the protractor/compass/whatever?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 13, 2005, 07:41:52 pm
Warren -- Why not question the use of a beer cap for a symbol?
Or does Spirit have a shiner?
Or does he play in the "Bock"field? :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on September 13, 2005, 11:40:55 pm
Can someone tell me how to make the "personalized picture avatars" remain permanent?  (for dummies)

I click the "change profile"...and it updates the picture, but when I check it later...I get the familiar rectangle with the red "x" in it.

It looks like others have  the same problem....

Thanks.

dsc
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2005, 11:48:58 pm
Can someone tell me how to make the "personalized picture avatars" remain permanent?  (for dummies)

I click the "change profile"...and it updates the picture, but when I check it later...I get the familiar rectangle with the red "x" in it.

It looks like others have  the same problem....

You've got to host it on a real web site somewhere.  I know that I was unable to use Yahoo!Briefcase to host images.  They would work for about five minutes and then blow up as you observe.  There are other free hosting services out there, or if you just want to send me your jpeg/gif (use the email addy in my profile) I'll stick it on one of my websites and send you the URL. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 14, 2005, 07:02:13 am
FWIW, yes I am, Warren.

And Pulitzer quality my articles were not, but they were pretty decent.  I don't know who "Spirit" is, but obviously we overlapped at HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on September 14, 2005, 08:36:21 am
Thank you, Ron.

Email has been sent to you...about the avatar! ;D

Have a great weekend in Abilene!

gbrat
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on September 14, 2005, 09:40:43 am
Thank you...Ron!

(With the HSU Avatar...it's working. :-*

Classy, huh? :)

Have a Shiner on Josh this weekend! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 14, 2005, 10:06:36 am
Lighten Up Josh, just having a little fun with you. I still preferred the comic musings of El Guapo. And I will admit your photos are first-rate, then and now. Actually you are getting better.

Baddog, It is all about the Shiner.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 14, 2005, 10:18:44 am
I might be able to rustle up a Shiner or two!   ;)

Thanks for the compliment, 66.  I'd still like to know who I'm typing to, though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 14, 2005, 11:07:20 am
Have you guys seen McMurry's new uniforms? I think that the uniforms are the best that they have ever had, ever. It is a classic look. But the helmet decals are horific. I like the Alabama look better. That is a cheesy arrowhead logo. It is not a clean look.

Edited to fix really long link (http://www.abilenesportz.com/sportsimages/college/mcmurry/football/2005/varsity/090305%20mcmurry%20vs%20menlo/)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on September 14, 2005, 11:13:35 am
For all of you going to the UMHB/TLU game this weekend there is going to be a tailgate party at the Walmart in Belton.

You get either a sausage wrap, chips, and a drink or

A turkey leg and a drink for $2.

The party will start at 3 pm and end at 5:30.

There will also be tshirts on sale along with face painting! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 14, 2005, 11:15:33 am
I might be able to rustle up a Shiner or two!   ;)

Thanks for the compliment, 66.  I'd still like to know who I'm typing to, though.

Josh her is a riddle:

The room had a glass door, but the window faced Parramore.

It was three high, but the letters were five across.

It is here that you know me, but it is Wilford Moore that is my legacy.


Figure it out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on September 14, 2005, 11:40:40 am
My picks
MISSISSIPPI College
HSU
TLU by 3 (Can't go against my team)
McMurray
ETBU
Rhodes
CNU
Mount Union
Linfield

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 14, 2005, 11:44:55 am
I already had it down to that office.  I just didn't know if it was Hatcher, Hilburn or El Guapo himself!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 14, 2005, 11:46:11 am
Actually, I wondered when you would join in here, TH.  You in El Paso still at the Sun Bowl?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2005, 12:32:27 pm
GF, your avatar is busted  ;D

(http://www.io.com/~rboerger/gifs/avatar3674og.gif)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 14, 2005, 12:41:49 pm
Been busy dude. I am still in the FWT (Far West Texas) and Sul Ross still sucks. The best running back ever was Bobo Comacho. Get you some of that.

I figured I had to eventually check in to this party.

Did you understand the riddle? And how are CH and RS?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 14, 2005, 02:22:02 pm
Yup.  Understood the riddle.  Don't know about CH & RS--haven't seen either of them in probably 7 years.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 14, 2005, 02:43:33 pm
Ron, that avatar slaying is the funnies thing I've seen in quite some time!  LMAO when I saw it!   :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 14, 2005, 03:08:49 pm
Ron, what is your take on UMHB-TLU?  How much differenct did Trinity look against TLU than AC?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2005, 03:46:10 pm
Ron, what is your take on UMHB-TLU?  How much differenct did Trinity look against TLU than AC?

Trinity looked better, still room for improvement, but played a better game overall against a more dangerous opponent.  As I said in this week's ATR (http://www.d3football.com/atr.php?region=south), Trinity had a lot of drops in the deep passing game that could have increased the final margin by a TD or two.   They were able to get some pressure on Sean Salinas, who like most QBs is not as effective running from linemen as he is sitting in the pocket.   

MHB is more of a power running team.  TLU was fairly effective against TU's run, especially early.  UMHB is a better team on the ground so that is going to be a key area.  I think MHB's secondary is probably more athletic and don't expect to see TLU's receivers get as open against UMHB as they did at times against TU.

TLU plays with a lot of heart and they are getting better talent.  They already have fine coaching.  It's still a year too soon to expect them to take one from UMHB, especially on the road.  I think last week's game showed us that the Crusaders are well ahead of where they were this time last year.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 15, 2005, 08:23:59 am
Ron -- Thanks again for the help with the avatar.

From one who has seen neither TLU nor UMHB (nor any college football so far this season :'() -- it sounds like UMHB is playing with a lot of confidence and TLU with increased ability and spirit. My "money" remains on UMHB (not in the Pete Rose sense)
However, it also appears that TLU is good enough to win if UMHB's confidence deteriorates into cockiness. I know that that kind of thing is always possible, but especiallly so with a team on the rise and with something to prove --such as TLU.
But, as I noted in my picks, UMHB is on another crusade and I do not see the above scenario happening.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 15, 2005, 08:51:07 am
I saw on the UMHB website that Anthony Johnson, CB, is not listed on the 2 deep roster.  That is a significant loss for the CRU.  TLU is going to throw the ball around.  If UMHB gets a good pass rush, then I think they will be fine.  Plus, they will need to control the ball with their running attack.  Last year, I think UMHB had several turnovers.  They can't do that again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2005, 08:54:17 am
The McMurry press release is on the McM web site.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/football/McMurryFBRelease9-14-05.pdf

Austin College is McMurry's 3rd most frequent opponent, having played the Roos 63 times since their first meeting in 1934.  On that same list are HPU at 67 and SRSU with 75 contests.

Trinity and AC have played each other 69 times coming into this season.

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/football/ACpreview.htm

Are there any other series in the ASC in which more games have been played?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2005, 10:42:07 am
Nice story on TLU WR Chris Edwards mentioned in today's Daily Dose (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=91). 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 15, 2005, 10:56:25 am
Ron, There was a nice article in the San Antonio Express News.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2005, 11:04:43 am
That's the one.  I figured I would give Daily Dose the credit for finding it first  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 15, 2005, 11:12:13 am
Ron,  Over the past 2 seasons there have been several nice articles about D3 football in the Express-News.  Most of it is Trinity, but some TLU, UMHB and I think even Hardin Simmons.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 15, 2005, 11:42:22 am
Here is an article on LC's WR Henry Hunter.  It appeared yesterday in The Town Talk.

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050914/SPORTS/509140326/1006/NEWS17


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2005, 01:44:55 pm
Q: Did you ever have a game like that before in your career, or what's the closest you've come to such a performance?
A: I think my best game would have to be Hardin-Simmons last year. I had five catches for 169 yards and a touchdown. I always enjoy doing it against these top-ranked teams and supposedly great (defensive backs).


Nothing like providing a little bulletin board material, eh?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 15, 2005, 02:08:24 pm
Yeah, HSU beat LC 47 - 14.  Nice try buddy.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 15, 2005, 02:29:14 pm
The question was not when was LC's best game or anything of that sort.  The question was "Did you ever have a game like that before in your career,or what's the closest you've come to such a performance?"  So yes, HSU beat LC last year, but Henry did have a good game, and that was the question that was asked. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 15, 2005, 02:49:44 pm
True, but he didn't have to put that extra little bit of mustard on the 'ol hot dog at the end of the statement.

Certainly not the most humility I've ever seen....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 15, 2005, 03:14:13 pm
I'm sure if we all go back in time, we can find a time or two where we "added an extra bit of mustard" to a statement at one time or another.  It's all part of the game.  Nobody wants to think that the person they are lining up against is better than them.  It's all about the competition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 15, 2005, 04:03:15 pm
Competition on or off the field?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 15, 2005, 04:04:33 pm
i get the posts number, but what the karma number?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 15, 2005, 04:16:32 pm
Competition is everywhere, on and off the field.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2005, 05:19:03 pm
Call me old fashioned, but when I was growing up, you didn't go around slamming the guys on the other side of the line when you lost by five touchdowns.    ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 15, 2005, 05:53:54 pm
Ron,

He called HSU a top ranked team and said they are suppose to have great DB's.  In which they do.  If I was a reciever and I had a great game against the best, then I would be proud as well.  Everyone is different.  I'm not going to call you old fashion, or anything else, because I don't feel he was bashing HSU.  I am just going to say I am happy for Henry and his accomplishment's.  He has come along way and deserves anything that comes his way.  I wish him and LC the best as it is going through yet another coaching change.  It is still a long season, and that means starting with the powerhouses HSU and UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2005, 06:16:23 pm
From the NWC board...

Quote
In regard to the WU/MHBU game there was a football oddity that you don't see very often.  4 players in the game rushed for over 100 yards. 2 for the Bearcats and 2 for the Crusaders.  I thought the MHBU radio crew mentioned that Quentin Brock and Cam Walton were the first two rushers to ever both reach 100 yards in a game vs. the Crusader defense in MHBU history.  Can any one verify this information.


Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 15, 2005, 08:31:35 pm
cgmatch -- There is a huge difference between "supposed to have great DB's" and "supposedly great DBs". It was a slam, pure and simple. He may not have been bashing HSU, but he sure was taking a shot at the DB's.
Whether it will come back to haunt him will be seen. I agree with you: may he get what he deserves.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 16, 2005, 10:08:44 am
I'm deciding on a gravitar, but until I settle on one, this is my youngest daughter.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 16, 2005, 10:15:26 am
well, it will be a cute picture of my youngest if I can get my host site to cooperate. :P

This is getting irritating. I'll try again later.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 16, 2005, 10:39:31 am
My comments were not directed towards the LC player, but to the one who posted the comment as bulletin board material.  But on the other hand, losers talk trash after taking a beating.  Winners move on to the next challenge.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 16, 2005, 11:23:58 am
sthrncwby,
When did I ever talk trash about anyone?  If you can find a place where I did, I will own up to it and apologize.  I acknowledged the fact that LC lost to HSU.  However, you always have to look for a positive in every situation and build on it.  I was simply saying I was proud of Henry and his accomplishments.  I have seen him come along way over the past few years.  If you want to sit and think someone is bashing you, then go ahead.  I am not going to get into an argument with you over this.  Best of luck to you and HSU and everyone else in the ASC this weekend, and safe travels to everyone going to watch the games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2005, 11:25:13 am
FYI, I moved the pick-ems into a separate board under the General Football topic, just to keep them all in one place.

There's a second reason, but I can't go into it here. Just know that it was considered necessary.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 16, 2005, 12:23:19 pm
Pat since you're moving things around would you be able to put the ASC In Game Updates at the top of this  ASC board or would that not work?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2005, 12:29:23 pm
sthrncwby,
When did I ever talk trash about anyone?  ...

Chill, CG.  He was talking about me having the nerve to quote something that was printed in the press. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 16, 2005, 12:33:22 pm
Nobody lets the bulletin board material get in their head.  HSU doesnt even have a bulletin board.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 16, 2005, 01:00:39 pm
Oh,  I apologize.  When you're wrong, you're wrong.  My bad guys.  Have a good one.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 16, 2005, 06:49:07 pm
Thanks to Patrick Stewart for the McMurry Press Release.

http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=662
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 17, 2005, 09:42:16 am
Here is a write up about the LC-HSU game in The Town Talk this morning. 

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050917/SPORTS/509170335/1006

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justski on September 17, 2005, 01:21:09 pm
hahaha this funny i go on a fast from the internet for 40 days and i come back, and post patterns is all changed up... oh well im just glad the season is underway. I'm going to the crusader game tonight, it should be a really good game ;)



GO CRU!!!  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ETeller on September 17, 2005, 01:33:12 pm
McMurray updates?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2005, 01:41:50 pm
On the ASC update board! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 17, 2005, 07:38:49 pm
Any word on HSU's Jordan Neal? "Bell rung," someone wrote, but that could mean anything.  :-\
Hate to see that happen to anybody, but especially to a senior.
Sounds like the 2nd team QB did OK, though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2005, 07:47:46 pm
Any word on HSU's Jordan Neal? "Bell rung," someone wrote, but that could mean anything.  :-\
Hate to see that happen to anybody, but especially to a senior.
Sounds like the 2nd team QB did OK, though.

Shoulder.  Could be a separation, could be a collarbone, could be something else.  HSU didn't lose much with his backup.

Story coming soon.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 17, 2005, 08:39:25 pm
Ron -- Thanks. I did check on the HSU site for the stats. No story up yet and the stats link on  the schedule/results page took me to the soccer box score. However, the live stats were still up. That showed Bernhard, HSU's 2nd team QB, completed 17 of 25 for 270 yds. with 2 picks and 3 td's. He added 9 rushes for 52 yds. Not too bad.
And HSU had 3 100+ yd rushers. Don't see that too often.
Way to go, HSU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 17, 2005, 08:42:16 pm
Speaking of stats. Did I read the penalty numbers correctly?
HSU: 16 pentalties for 189 yds.
LC: 10 penalties for 95 yds.
Good gravy, I am surprised the game is over already with all that clock stoppage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 17, 2005, 08:48:03 pm
Just re-checked the HSU site. Article up says Neal's collarbone was/is broken and he will miss a lot of the season. :'(
Link --
http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/091705aaa.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 17, 2005, 09:02:26 pm
For all that fuss that was made, how did LC's Henry Hunter do against the HSU secondary?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 17, 2005, 09:43:21 pm
The HSU stats show he had 5 receptions for 58 yds. The longest was 24. No scores.
Make of that what you will.
Anyone who was at the game -- beyond the stats -- how did the HSU DB's handle him?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum75 on September 17, 2005, 10:56:51 pm
Man, I just wish i had been able to watch the game tonight.  I did listen to it though and it was a hard fought battle.  Good game TLU.  Way to pull out the win Cru.  Keep it up.       For those who don't know  the final was

UMHB   28     TLU    21

I cant wait to come watch this year's team play.  Keep it up oline! Good job!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 18, 2005, 12:31:23 am
Looks like TLU played a pretty good game.

A very good win for ETBU.  Not pretty but a good win none the less.  Roshawn needs more touches and that will help the offense out.  I think HPU had twice as many first downs they just were not able to capitalize.  We need to get better each week but were headed in the right direction.

Also props to the ETBU ladies soccer team.  They beat AC 3-2.  Previously they were something like 0-10-1 against them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 18, 2005, 01:38:26 am
I went to the MHB TLU game, so I'll give a report, but first...

Sorry to hear about Jordan Neal's shoulder.  I was really looking forward to watching him this year.  Jordan, if you're reading this, heal quickly and I'll talk to you in class.

TO MHB-TLU:

It was a good game.  MHB's D looked rough until the third quarter and then someone ticked somebody off and they started bringing the pain.  Salinas looked good most of the night, but I promise he's going to remember a couple of hits he took. 

TLU has a RB (Bobby Lee) that looked really good tonight.  Over all, they looked pretty strong.

For MHB, Josh Welch only played the 1st Quarter, then Padron took over.  I don't know why.  Both looked pretty good.  Welch threw a long wobbley duck pass to PJ Williams for a TD early.  Padron did a good job of mixing it up, and looked especially good running the option.

Big up's for a few highlights today, particularly for the punting game. 

I'm not sure who, but I think it was Hunter Hamerick punted one 73 yards.  It was a low liner spiral over the head of the returner, and about the time the returner picked it up, he was plowed over. 
Also big props to Freddy Rollins for kicking a great punt and pinning them inside the 5.


And again, the Crusader D got off in the second half.

Over all, it was a close good game, I'm glad I took off from work early and made the drive.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2005, 10:38:43 am
The HSU stats show he had 5 receptions for 58 yds. The longest was 24. No scores.
Make of that what you will.
Anyone who was at the game -- beyond the stats -- how did the HSU DB's handle him?

HSU didn't double him or anything like that, they just treated him like another WR.  Johnson and Falgoust were Cooper's preferred targets. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 18, 2005, 10:43:13 am
BfB:

While TLU is now 0-2 (and v. two top teams, at that), I take comfort in recognizing how far they've come since reinstituting football.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CRUGIRL on September 18, 2005, 02:15:05 pm
Hey guys,
well the UMHB-TLU, was closer than we'd like here in Belton. :o  But from someone who has watched all but one match between these two team TLU is really moving up.  There offense was nice and worked well.  Luckily we stepped it up in time to close out the game.  Also nice Running back for TLU and are they doing spinning drill down there becuase as we watched the game the entire team was spinning out of everything.  Well, Nice game TLU.  Crusaders takes this game and step it up.  I beleive in you and form the looks of the crowd yesterday so does everyone in Belton.  Have a great week.

GO CRU![/[/glow]move]
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 18, 2005, 04:34:32 pm
Tough one for the LC this past weekend.  I wasn't there, but it looked like we played decent in the first half, and didn't even show up in the second.  This weekend is the home opener, and it's against UMHB.  I hope we can have a good week of practice and come out swinging.  If not it's going to be a long day. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on September 18, 2005, 07:06:13 pm
Huge win for McM this week.  Matches wins for last season.  It appears from the box score (sorry, 1st game I have missed in 3 and 1/2 years) that McM fixed problems that they had in their special teams play.
Defense really stepped up.  And Sellers is going to remind a lot of people of Adam King from HPU before it is all over.
McM will have to fix # of penalties if we are going to beat TLU this week, the competition gets a lot better this week.  Hope TLU has gotten a little beat up from their 1st 2 opponents.

Let's see with Trinity beating AC by 11 pts and TLU by 12 pts, and then McM beating AC by 27 pts, does that mean McM is favored by 28 pts over TLU. ;).

Any McM player that believes that needs to get smacked in the head, but it should mean that they can compete with them and beat them if they play like they are capable.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 18, 2005, 07:58:52 pm
Yes, lots of penalties yesterday in the HSU/LC game.  Probably over half of the flags were thrown by the line judge patrolling the LC side of the field.  He was an equal-opportunity flagger, but he was also uniformly bad.  Game lasted about an hour longer than it needed to because of all the ticky-tack penalties this guy "saw".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2005, 09:26:23 pm
[...] Sellers is going to remind a lot of people of Adam King from HPU before it is all over.

Hmm, not so sure about that comparison, at least based on what I saw on Saturday.  Sellers had some trouble finding open receivers against AC.  He was able to elude the slower AC defenders and get a lot of yards on the ground, but the question I have is whether or not he will be able to do the same against faster, bigger, more talented teams. 

AC (at least in the first half, which was all we were able to see) was also getting a lot of pressure on Sellers, and again you wonder what will happen when McM faces the UMHBs and HSUs of the conference.

All that said ... no doubt McMurry is playing with much more confidence (and more talent) and is headed the right direction.  Just don't know if I would use one game against the team which may end up at the bottom of the ASC standings (esp. if Womack's injury yesterday continues to be a problem) as a measuring stick.   .500 is realistic for McM this year, tho. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 18, 2005, 10:17:34 pm
My personal impressions of the McM/AC game yesterday:

McM
Ty Sellers is a fantastic athlete at the quarterback position, but still need to get game experience.  While fast and shifty, Sellers seemed to try to do too much at certain points, and had a tendency to get happy feet, even when the pressure from the AC defense wasn't as heavy.  Wide receivers have good hands and decent speed.  The running back didn't get enough carries to be as effective as possible. 

Defensively, the Indians have decent size and quickness, and have a couple of players that can make an impact on a game.  Todd Ritchie and Colby Witt both made big plays. 

Kicking game may be a bit shaky;  punters didn't look good in warm-ups, but performed adequately during game.  Coverage was pretty good.

Overall, the team was bigger and faster than recent editions.  They played with more emotion and intensity than the last couple of years, as well.  From what I saw, the McM rebuilding project may be ahead of schedule.   I don't think the Tribe will challenge UMHB or HSU this year, but if they play well, next week could be close.  Fourth place and a 7-3 season might not be that unrealistic.

AC
Defensively, the 'Roos looked all right.  Sure, they gave up 33 points, but the offense did its part to put the defensive unit at a disadvantage on a couple of occaisions.  The defense looked to have decent team speed and size.

Offensively, the 'Roos are in for a long year.  Yes, it was that bad.  64 yards in total offense just won't get it done.  If Womack is hurt badly and the rest of the unit doesn't gel quickly, the 'Roos may go 0-10 this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 18, 2005, 10:33:07 pm
My personal impressions of the HSU/LC game:

HSU
Offensively, I think the line looked really, really good--especially for replacing so many starters.  Neal being hurt doesn't help the cause, but the intangeables he brings to the huddle may be the biggest loss.  IMO, there's not much of a drop-off talent-wise from Neal to Bernhard, and Bernhard did an excellent job spreading the ball around.  WR's are bigger than average, and have decent speed and good hands.  At the RB position, both Jones and Ashley have really good speed, and Clark reminded me a lot of Lance Moore, just a bit shorter.

Defensively, the Cowboy's secondary is pretty good.  Surratt is going to be as good as Alex Hansen with a bit more game experience, and Will Galusha is as good as advertised.  LB Daniels is quite possibly the biggest and fastest LB HSU has ever had, and Anthony Thomas really has a nose for the ball.  DL taller than in the past with decent speed.  If I had one wish for the unit, I'd have liked to have seen more pressure from the front four on the QB.  As always, the Cowboys defensive unit shuffles players in and out frequently.

Special teams coverage was pretty good, and the kicking game seemed to be clicking. 

Overall, I have to think that this HSU team has the ingredients to win the conference again.  Of course, the 10/22 game vs. UMHB looms large, but the Cowboys have the players to go deep--if they play up to their potential every week and can get by the Crusaders.

LC
I'm somewhat surprised by the entire LC team.  They have decent team speed and athletic ability, and good size on the offense and most of the defense (secondary is a bit undersized, but not much).  Wesley Cooper has a good arm and is pretty accurate, and the OL neutralized the HSU pass rush well.  Maxie can gain yards in bunches outside of the tackles, but isn't as effective on the inside game.  WR's don't have the best hands, and that contributed directly to at least two of Cooper's INT's.

Mostly, though, I'm surprised that a fairly good looking team wasn't able to get it going.  The 'Cats moved the ball effectively at times between the 20's, but always stalled somewhere along the way.  If they play to their potential, they could challenge McM, ETBU and HPU for fourth in the conference, but I don't see them beating UMHB or TLU--though stranger things have happened.

All in all, a great day of DIII college football--which is a lot better than a lot of things!  Thanks to Patrick Stewart and Chad Grubbs for their help at the games, and thanks to Pat and Ryan Coleman for tolerating Ron and I.  Speaking of Ron...Ron, your hat is touring Houston as I type this, but if you'll PM me your mailing address, I can get it back to you. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: reccespynav on September 18, 2005, 11:39:53 pm
ETBU Faithful -
Can you use another fan?
I am a MUC Purple Raider transplant.  I have been reassigned from Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio, to Barksdale AFB, Louisiana (just across the Red River, in Bossier City, from Shreveport LA...yeah, you know where it is at).  It appears that ETBU is my best bet (geographically speaking) to enjoy D3 football for the next couple of seasons.
Looking at your schedule, the games (teams) that I would want to see (the "Hardin" sisters) are "Away" games this year for you.  Given what is left, at home, what games do you consider I try to come over and see?  TLU???  (I lived in San Antonio when TLU did not have football...'91-'97...however, I saw some great high school football games coached by one of their great alumnus at Converse Judson.)
Drop me an e-mail with your recommendations.  When we show up, me and the wife we will be easy to spot...we will be wearing purple!
Cheers! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 19, 2005, 12:06:26 am

  It appears that ETBU is my best bet (geographically speaking) to enjoy D3 football for the next couple of seasons.

reccespynav,

Shreveport Bossier City is not too far to drive to watch HSU or MHB.  It may be too far for an every weekend trip, but HSU is only about 6 hrs, probably about the same to Belton.  Or if you want a peak at MHB, travel to pineville, LA next weekend (about 120 miles from Shreveport) and catch the MHB/LC game.  Either way, welcome to the ASC temporarily, hope to see you around the board
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2005, 12:25:50 am
reccespynav, welcome to the ASC!  We are really glad to have you.  Zipping down I-49 to Pineville would be a good trip!  The UMHB fans would surely return some "Alliance style" hospitality to a member of the Armed Forces!  (Fort Hood is only 20 minutes away from Belton!)  The TLU game will be good.  TLU QB Sean Salinas is a very good QB!

Feel free to pontificate!  Glad to have you! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 19, 2005, 12:28:34 am
Test post.

(http://hometown.aol.com/jbower01/images/sullivan%20interception.jpg)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 19, 2005, 12:29:20 am
Cool--it worked!  I may not be as html-illiterate as I thought!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2005, 01:35:20 am
Congratulations to ASC Players of the Week!

McM's QB Ty Sellers and K Kirk McGinty

ETBU's LB Micah Huckaby
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 19, 2005, 07:29:04 am
My memory may be incorrect, but aren't McM, Miss. Coll., and LC the only teams in the conference with new coaching staffs this year? (SRSU's coach is in his second year, I think.)
Anyway, I would be interested to hear from the fans at those schools. Two games into the season -- beyond the W-L records -- what differences, if any, do you see in your teams as opposed to last year or previous years?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 19, 2005, 08:26:54 am
HPU has a new coaching staff as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 19, 2005, 09:29:39 am
dballa,

Did Gibson see the writing on the wall and decide to go to Frisco, or was it all about the money?

You guys are moving the ball, but something is amiss. The Jacket D is a thing of the past. What I worry is that when you play UMHB or HSU that the score could get out of hand.

I just wonder if Redwine is the answer. How do you bring in that many out of state assistant coaches? Are these guys going to recruit Texas? That is hard to do, when you do not know the area.

This is just my opinion, but HPU's storied tradition could be going downhill.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 19, 2005, 09:41:15 am
HPU has some Texas coaches on the staff so they won't be that worried about recruiting in Texas.  But they definitely will be recruiting outside of the state which can never hurt.  If you look at what the environment was while Gibson was at HPU and what it looks like now in the locker room and around the campus, I don't think anybody misses it.  Everybody is upbeat and excited about what Coach Redwine can bring to the program.   They did move the ball very well, against ETBU the opening kickoff and a turnover resulting in a touchdown did HPU in.  Other than that in every other category they dominated ETBU.  They also moved the ball very well against LaCrosse once the guys got their opening game jitters out.  Playing a nationally ranked experienced program for your opening game when they've already played one is a very difficult task.  Look them to improve on every game and don't expect to see the same scores against HSU and UMHB this year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 19, 2005, 09:49:47 am
Thanks for the reply. Sully looks scary. two wins in a row. I did not think that they could win one. That could be a tough outing. HPU and Sully go way back. They have the tendency to upend somebody now and then. Especially with the new coaching staff. Coach Wright seems to have his system in place. I should have given him more credit. He is a former DI coach.

Speaking of HPU, to me it is the best HSU rivalry out there. It means something. I know people say UMHB and HSU or McM and HSU, but those do not have the intensity of HSU-HPU. When McMurry wins a game against HSU, I will call it a rivalry. As far as the Crusaders, it is a rivalry, but not the same. Brownwood and Abilene are an hour apart and the campuses share students from each community. The Jackets and Cowboys have been going at it for close to 100 years (Minus the hiatus). HSU and HPU have been in conferences together since the 1920s. First the original TIAA, then the TCAC, before the Cowboys went the Border Conference and HPU went to the Lone Star. HPU joined the TIAA in 1988 and HSU followed soon after after it dropped from Division I. If that is not enough, Dr. Lanny Hall has served as president of both schools.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 19, 2005, 09:57:24 am
What do you mean about environment? The thugs are gone?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 19, 2005, 10:07:45 am
Not saying that at all, although that is one reason why Redwine and his coaching staff was brought in.  They want to recruit players that will have a positive influence on the school and the community and not ones that will be getting arrested at parties. After all it is a Christian University first and foremost above any sport.  I enjoyed watching Coach Gibson and his football program but with the new coaching staff here you can just feel and see the excitement in the kids and in the coaching staff. 

HPU may not do a lot of damage in the conference this year but in the next few years they'll be back towards the top of the conference again.

As for the Sul Ross game I don't think it will be close.  They had too close of a game against a really bad SAGU team.  The game against MC, I think MC drove down to SRSU which when you play there,  anything can happen.  but it will be in Brownwood and it won't be close at all for Coach Redwine's first win.
 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2005, 10:26:10 am
dballa or spirit, how many game have HSU and HPU played?  HPU and SRSU? When did these series start?  What are the records in those series?  What about HPU and SRSU?

As for McMurry-Horrid Payne, yes, Hardened Sinners U is the crosstown rival, but I think that I hate to lose to Horrid Payne more than anyone.  >:(  McMurry has been with HPU in the Texas Collegiate AC, the Texas Conference, the Lone Star, the TIAA and now the ASC.

I am trying to determine which series can claim the oldest and which can claim the most frequently played.  I posted McMurry's series with AC, HPU and SRSU last week on this board.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on September 19, 2005, 10:56:02 am
RT, I don't have the answers to all your questions, but from this year's HSU Media Guide:

HSU and HPU go back to 1917.  (HSU leads the series: 29-24-4)

HSU and McM go back to 1946.  (HSU leads the series: 18-3)   


Go Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 19, 2005, 11:57:56 am
RT, I would not be surprised to find out that HPU and Sul Ross have the most played series. One of the oldest series overall has to be Austin College and Trinity, which began in 1904. Trinity leads 35-29-6.

As far as the oldest series in the league, I think it could be HSU-HPU. Though the HSU media guide says the series started in 1917, I believe the first HSU football team was in 1898 and played HPU soon after.

As far as most-played, it is hard when you look at the ASC, only Austin College, McMurry (if you can say that), Sul Ross, Howard Payne and Miss. College have had continuous programs with no lapses. MC is out, since they joined the league in 1997. AC played a Division I schedule for most of its early years. Though all three were in the LSC for a time, McM was kicked out first, then Sully and HPU left later. That means if there is going to be a rivalry of most played it would have to be either SRSU and HPU or SRSU and McM. My guess is McM. The old TIAA did a double round robin. It was a six-team league with 10 league games and no non-conference games from 1980-84. End result more games played.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 19, 2005, 12:19:36 pm
TLU-UMHB was a great game between 2 very good teams.  TLU has improved over last year.  I was impressed by their lines, they were huge.  The big difference was team speed.  UMHB was much faster.  Even though TLU  tied the game in the 3rd, UMHB defense was awesome on the goalline.  I think they held them for 6 downs.  Salinas was everything I had heard.  All 3 of his TD passes came when he was scrambling.  When UMHB rushed 4, he wasn't able to run around as much.  This game should really help UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 19, 2005, 12:50:19 pm
And furthmore,

Everyone loves to hate the jackets. It is the only school in America where a kid gets like seven years of eligibility. (i.e. basketball player "Big" Ed Randall).

Howard Payne has been playing football since 1903.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on September 19, 2005, 01:17:28 pm
Baddog asked about the new coaching staffs.  The prevalent description of Coach Crousen at McMurry is that he's "old school."  Presumably that means he runs practice like a boot camp.  The players feel good about winning the last two games, of course, especially since they avenge losses to those same teams the last time we played them.  But both Menlo and AC had losing seasons last year.  The game next week against TLU will be a key indicator of how good or bad we are, for TLU had a winning season last year and blew us out of the water on our own home field.  Go Tribe!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on September 19, 2005, 01:30:38 pm
I think the poll question on the D3 home page is misleading...i would vote UMHB as the best team in Texas with or without Jordan Neal at HSU!!! 

Just thought that should be clarified. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 19, 2005, 01:35:42 pm
From what I could find, these are the top 15 series in the ASC. If someone knows different, let me know.

1. McM-SRSU, McM leads 41-32-2 (75)
2. HPU-McM, HPU leads, 43-22-2 (69)
3. McM-AC, McM leads 33-28-2 (63)
4. *HPU-HSU, HSU leads 32-24-4 (60)
5. HPU-AC, HPU leads 41-9-3 (53)
6. HPU-SRSU, HPU leads 42-11-0 (53)
7. AC-SRSU, AC leads 22-18-2 (42)
8. HPU-TLU, HPU leads, 18-11-1 (40)
9. LC-MC, MC leads 23-6 (29)
10. HSU-AC, HSU leads 19-7-1 (27)
11. HSU-SRSU, HSU leads 23-2-0 (25)
12. AC-TLU, Series tied 11-11-0 (22)
13. HSU-McM, HSU leads 18-3 (21)
14. AC-MC, AC leads 9-9-1 (19)
15. MC-SRSU, MC leads 9-1-0 (10)

* -- HSU beings its records with the 1917 season, after football was reinstated on campus. The two teams met four times prior to that in 1907 and 1908, playing home and home. The Cowboys went 4-0 in those four contests.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on September 19, 2005, 02:33:07 pm
McMurry will definately be steping up in competation aganist the bulldogs. TLU has got to be pleased with the effort of their team.  I don't think to many of us, myself included, thought they could compete with UMHB.  The bulldogs must think their next game is one they should win, and win going away.  Both these teams should look at this contest as one which will test their worth.  TLU has already shown their grit by hanging in there with a fine UMBH team.  McMurry is now 2 & O.  How long has it been since a Tribe team has been in this position.  Looks to me like this game this Saturday is one that shapes up to be one that means something to both teams. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2005, 03:34:17 pm
i would vote UMHB as the best team in Texas with or without Jordan Neal at HSU!!!

You're allowed to vote that way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 19, 2005, 05:18:57 pm
This is not a knock on the HSU backup QB, but every team that plays HSU is better off if Neal is out.  He is an outstanding QB.  I'm sorry that he was injured.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 19, 2005, 05:31:51 pm
Like I said yesterday, there isn't much talent dropoff between Neal and Bernhard, at least not from what I saw.  Neal is the team leader, though, so it will be an adjustment for the guys to see Jordy in the huddle.  If Jordan really gets behind Jordy in a public way with his teammates, it might have a surprisingly positive effect.

And don't forget that Bernhard passed for 270 yards and three TD's after Jordan's injury.  Not to mention completing roughly 70% of his passes off the bench.  Not a bad performance in my book.

My hope is that Jordan's injury isn't as serious as first thought--not because I question Jordy's ability, but rather he seems like a really good kid and this is his senior year--and I'd hate for his HSU career to end in this way. 

FWIW, I hope that you get well soon, Jordan.  I enjoyed visiting with you Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Young Buck on September 19, 2005, 08:19:19 pm
Hey Dballa,

In response to your quote

" If you look at what the environment was while Gibson was at HPU and what it looks like now in the locker room and around the campus, I don't think anybody misses it."

What are you referring to.  I walked around the locker room and enjoyed it for four years.  I enjoyed being 9-1 and 8-2 and 7-3 last year.  Wish we had done better, but I still enjoyed the times. 

When Redwine runs out of Gibson and Fuller's athletes, the program will fall apart.  It has already started and will continue to go down hill.  HPU will start out 1-4 at best....that never happened while I was there. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 19, 2005, 09:22:22 pm
Well if you look at the trend you're talking about, 1 loss, then 2 then 3 and now you're saying 4 with Gibsons recruits, you're saying it has already started falling apart, thats why you start over with something fresh like with Coach Redwine's program.  When these kids get a grasp of the program and begin to improve as the year goes on, they will start winning and playing well.  They'll be just fine in the next few years.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Young Buck on September 19, 2005, 09:53:29 pm
Dballa,

You never answered my question though earlier did you. 

However, it didnt start to fall apart until this year.  The past four years I PLAYED at HPU.  We went 8-2, 9-1, 6-4, 7-3.  We actually got better last year with young athletes.  They are all back this year(with the exception of King)....AND THEY WILL DO WORSE!!!
HPU will end up 3-7.  That would've never happened if they kept Gibson happy....or at least hired Fuller when he left.  Those guys might not hold hands with the admin at Chapel, but they do know how to coach football. 

And back to your earlier accustation.....I was a lot happier than most of my buddies are now. 


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 19, 2005, 10:51:49 pm
Hard for me to believe that so many people think Trinity is better than HSU w/o Neal.  Even harder for me to believe that so many people think Trinity is better than UMHB!

I'm picking the Tigers this weekend, but the one's I'm picking are from Greencastle!  TU's luck, I'm afraid, is about to run out.   :-X
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BarSRBar903 on September 19, 2005, 11:58:36 pm
So who thought that Sul Ross would be 2-0?  Nobody on here it seems!  The ASC is up for grabs this year if you look at stats and scores.  All the supposed top teams of the ASC are very close but McM and Sul Ross seem to statisticly staying right with HSU and MHB.  Sul Ross put up 450+ yards of offense up against Miss. Col. and kept the ball on the ground the whole fourth quarter.  The score might have been 50-17 if SR would have aired it out.  SR can't wait for HPU next week!


Go Lobos!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 20, 2005, 12:27:08 am
Dude, that is one classic post!   
:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 20, 2005, 12:52:32 am
Spirit, here is another!

TLU leads McMurry 11-10 in 21 games after the 2004 season.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/football/FB%20ReleaseTLU9-25.pdf
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 20, 2005, 12:55:24 am
ETBU fans, whom did ETBU play back in the 1930's and 1940's before you discontinued football?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Nimbly_bimbly on September 20, 2005, 09:18:44 am
BarSR you are right that Sul Ross has won two games, and that they have had comparable stats to HSU and UMHB, but who have they played again?  Also you said, "The score might have been 50-17 if SR would have aired it out."  Well if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass everytime it jumped.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2005, 09:28:12 am
All the supposed top teams of the ASC are very close but McM and Sul Ross seem to statisticly staying right with HSU and MHB. 
Go Lobos!

Sully and McMurry have been impressive; however ...
I think we can hold off comparing Sully and McMurry to HSU and UMHB for now.  This weekend should show us where McM sits relative to Texas Lutheran, and Sul Ross' game at Howard Payne is no gimme.  Both Sully and McMurry are pleasant surprises (my column this week (http://www.d3football.com/atr.php?region=south) says as much), but while both are much improved there's a way to go before they threaten the teams at the top of the conference.  For now they need to focus on the HPUs and the ETBUs. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 20, 2005, 10:06:21 am
Spirit, here is another!

TLU leads McMurry 11-10 in 21 games after the 2004 season.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/football/FB%20ReleaseTLU9-25.pdf

Thanks RT, I see one trend and common link in this: McMurry, HPU and SRSU are each on the list five times, but it is AC that is on the list six times. Go figure.

1. McM-SRSU, McM leads 41-32-2 (75)
2. HPU-McM, HPU leads, 43-22-2 (69)
3. McM-AC, McM leads 33-28-2 (63)
4. *HPU-HSU, HSU leads 32-24-4 (60)
5. HPU-AC, HPU leads 41-9-3 (53)
6. HPU-SRSU, HPU leads 42-11-0 (53)
7. AC-SRSU, AC leads 22-18-2 (42)
8. HPU-TLU, HPU leads, 18-11-1 (40)
9. LC-MC, MC leads 23-6 (29)
10. HSU-AC, HSU leads 19-7-1 (27)
11. HSU-SRSU, HSU leads 23-2-0 (25)
12. AC-TLU, Series tied 11-11-0 (22)
13. HSU-McM, HSU leads 18-3 (21)
13. McM-TLU, McM leads 11-10-0 (21)
15. AC-MC, AC leads 9-9-1 (19)
16. MC-SRSU, MC leads 9-1-0 (10)

* -- HSU begins its records with the 1917 season, after football was reinstated on campus. The two teams met four times prior to that in 1907 and 1908, playing home and home. The Cowboys went 4-0 in those four contests.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on September 20, 2005, 10:41:42 am
Looking at the TLU roster they are very young, 80 freshman on the team and only 6 seniors although Salinas is one of those. Hopefully the dogs won't be down by losing the 2 close ballgames, I think (IMHO) had the 2 games been switched the dos would be 1 and 1 instead of 0-2. They are improving with each game and the defense is playing better than last year, still a slight problem in giving up the big play though. Hopefully they will put it together against MCM. :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 20, 2005, 11:04:18 am
Spirit, McMurry, HPU, AC and Trinity played each other in the old Texas Collegiate AC in the 1930's.  (Other members were St Edward's, Southwestern, Daniel Baker College in Brownwood which "went under" in about 1952, and I believe Abilene Christian.)

That accounts for several of the games.

HPU, SRSU and McM were members of the Lone Star Conference in the mid 1960's to early 1970's along with SFAustin, TAMU-Commerce, Sam Houston State, (Southwest)Texas State and Tarleton St.  That accounts for those games.

The TIAA started in 1976, McM, SRSU, AC, Tarleton St and Trinity.  I believe that HPU joined in 1988, and HSU in 1990.

Hardin Simmons was playing Major College football in the Border Conference before interruption.  That is why there are so few common opponents.  Howard Payne was the dominant team in the Texas Collegiate AC in the 1930's.  They may have played HSU some then.

I believe that several of the AC-TLU games came in the 1960's when they were playing on a different level from HPU-McM-SRSU.  The Mississippi College media guide for the Austin College games.  That is the 6th AC opponent on the list.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 20, 2005, 11:18:16 am
Ron has mentioned it in his Around the Region column, but I wanted to second it:

Check out the link to the Photo Galleries down the left side of the main d3football.com home page.  If you are a player or parent from McM, AC, HSU or LC, there is likely a photo of you or your son on the field.  I'd encourage you to register and purchase prints from the site, as 100% of the proceeds will be used to keep the site up, running and as fantastic as ever.

Also, keep in mind that what you see isn't always exactly what you'll get--the photos will/can be cropped and have the color and contrast adjusted, in addition to being sharpened before they come to your mailbox. 

This is one way that we can keep the site free of pop-up ads (the other being the purchase of the Preseason Kickoff), and it's a great way to remember your college football expereience.  The prices are reasonable, so order often!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 20, 2005, 11:25:56 am
I went to the MC Media guide and found these games between MC and Austin College.

1953 MC ties 19-19; 1954 loses 0-26.
It skips to 1958 when they play nine straight years, MC wins 7 of 9.  It appears that MC joins the Gulf Coast and starts playing mostly state schools until they join the ASC in 1996 and begin playing a full schedule in 1997.  They defeated AC 56-7 in 1996.

There is the series.

http://www.mc.edu/athletics/football/2005Guide/RecordBook.pdf

There are references in the MC Media Guide to Howard College.  That was the name of Samford University until the name change in 1965. (Modification to answer Spirit's question.)

 http://www.samford.edu/history/index.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 20, 2005, 12:24:48 pm
You lost me with the Howard College reference...

The Texas Collegiate Athletic Conference, was more commonly known as the Texas Conference. It began in 1926 with five teams splintering from the 13-team TIAA. HSU, AC, Trinity, HPU and Southwestern were the founding members. HSU left the league in 1941 to join the Border Conference, joining a league of WT, Texas Tech, UTEP, Arizona, Arizona State, Northern Arizona, New Mexico and New Mexico State. That lasted until 1961, when the Border Conference finally closed its doors.

HSU's All-Time Conference Affiliation are as follows:
Independent, 1898-1907
West Texas League, 1908-1909 (1908)
No Football, 1910-1916 (Joined TIAA in 1914)
TIAA, 1917-1925 (None)
Texas Conference, 1926-1940 (1926, 1931)
Border Conference, 1941-61 (1942, 1946, 1958)
Division I Independent, 1962-63
No Football, 1964-1989
TIAA/ASC, 1990-2005 (1993-96, 98-01, 03-04)

Listed also are the 16 conference championships in parenthesis.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpudad on September 20, 2005, 12:32:34 pm
I don't think the HPU Football program is falling apart.  Your going to have a drop in offense when you lose the best passer in DIII Football and his back-up to graduation and also hire a new coaching staff.  Coach Redwine did some recruiting in Texas after he was hired.  Not sure how many additional players that he was able to bring into the program.

In HPU's scrimmage against SAGU they looked very good and dominated the scrimmage.

In the games against UW-La Crosse (National Ranked) and ETB, allowing the big plays killed HPU.  Once HPU stops allowing the big plays they will be competitive.  Yea the will probably not win against HSU or UMHB but I think the rest of the games are winnable for HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 20, 2005, 04:19:31 pm
Is Trinity better than Hardin-Simmons?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on September 20, 2005, 04:37:15 pm
I agree with hpudad and totally disagree with Young Buck. HPU still has young players as Young Buck mentioned he had when he played. We also have a new system that actually runs the ball. It takes a few games to adjust to a new scheme offensively and defensively. I defintely disagree with the statement that the program will fall apart. Coach Redwine and his staff are not some guys pulled out of no where. He comes in with credibilty as a coach who won, but also one who cares about the individual.  There are also way to many proud HPU supporters to let the program fall as much as Young Buck might think it will. I see HPU going 6-4 and improving every game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 20, 2005, 04:57:27 pm
Ralph I am out of town but I will check that for you when I get back.  I think they played a lot of high schools, but I will let you know.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 20, 2005, 05:13:13 pm
It seems to me that HPU is not falling apart as much as other schools in the ASC are getting better.  I don't think many of us would have thought  before the season that Sul Ross would be 2-0.  TLU is much better and they are 0-2.  Austin played Trinity close, etc.  I think the challenge is to improve in this environment.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2005, 05:30:47 pm
Kudos to Ralph Turner for his reference to the "famed" Daniel Baker "Hillbillies."
There aren't [weren't?] many venues, at any level, that would pride themselves on such a moniker.

In the Texas Hill Country, where the gods repair to rest, recuperate, and regroup, the Fredericksburg High School "Hillbillies" are now known simply as "The Battlin' Billies."  :-[ *

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* Are " Battlin' Billies" somehow better and different than mere "Hillbillies"?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2005, 05:43:29 pm
[...] the Fredericksburg High School "Hillbillies" are now known simply as "The Battlin' Billies."  :-[ *

-------------------------------

* Are " Battlin' Billies" somehow better and different than mere "Hillbillies"?

I always thot it was "Billies" as in billy goats, WT.   I've never heard the term "hillbilly" used to describe people from the Texas Hill Country. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 20, 2005, 06:02:11 pm
Ron, I'm with you.  I think they have a Billy Goat mascot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: IRONHAND on September 20, 2005, 06:22:18 pm
The mascot of Fredricksburg High is the Billiegoat. So they call themselves The Battlin' Billies.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2005, 07:30:55 pm
BfB et al.:

Don't make more of my post than what it is: Fredericksburg HS teams were originally known as the "Hillbillies." That they are now known by a different name is fine with me. I was merely making a minor -- very minor -- historical point ....

Nor would I label [libel?] folks living in the Texas Hill Country as "hillbillies." Rather, I'd call them smart. :)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 20, 2005, 08:14:36 pm
Has anybody heard from any of the schools in regards to some Saturday's game's being postponed because of the hurricane due to hit the coast late Friday night or early Saturday morning?  If it hits where they are projecting it could have a major impact on Saturdays games.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on September 20, 2005, 09:51:15 pm
Ron...nice South Region update.....as a '93 grad of HSU, now living in San Antonio (neighbors)....and former member of the World Famous Cowboy Band....it's always nice to get a shout out.....keep up the great work....I always look forward to reading your weekly column!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 20, 2005, 11:26:53 pm
I had class tonight with Jordan Neal, and I got to look at his xrays.  He gave me permission to pass the following info on. 

It's a bad break.  He's having surgery tomorrow at 9:30.  Please remember him in your prayers.

Concerning his prospects for the season, he says that everything is being done with the intent of coming back this season, but a medical redshirt is a possibility.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BarSRBar903 on September 20, 2005, 11:38:47 pm
Nobody said that Sul Ross and McMurry are better than HSU or MHB.  I said that stats and scores show that there has been vast improvements on these two teams.  Wether people want to believe it or not SR or McM has the potential to knock of the top teams.  HSU lost there QB and had other injuries.  There offensive leader is gone and there is no way that a second string QB can be that good in D3.  Im not talking bad about HSU's new QB, but thats the truth.  Im not saying SR has the recruits that HSU or MHB has, but just don't count SR or McM out again this year.


Go LOBOS!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 21, 2005, 12:02:27 am
Another classic post!  How much D3 and/or ASC have you seen, anyway?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on September 21, 2005, 12:07:17 am
Maybe out in Alpine the second team players are not very good, I don't know.  But I do know that in Abilene, at HSU (a D3 school) the backup QB looked very sharp on Saturday, the backup running backs looked very good, and the backup receivers looked great as well.  Oh yeah, that's not to mention the reserve offensive line and the entire reserve defense.  I also seem to remember that in Belton last year at UMHB (a D3 School) the starting QB went down with an injury and their backup QB stepped right in and didn't miss a beat (hello Salem).  Happens in D3 every year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2005, 12:37:48 am
"hello Salem" is a reference to making the Stagg Bowl, BarSRBar903.

Oh, and the Stagg Bowl is the Division III championship game.

Figured that since you have no concept that a backup quarterback can be just fine in D-III, you might not get those other subtle references. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 21, 2005, 12:51:56 am
I have to say that HSU's back up played well on Saturday, and J Neal's comment to me about Bernhard was that Bernhard can not only do things well, he can do things J Neal can't.  

BarSRBar903,

I am an UMHB fan, and as much as I don't like to admit it, one thing you can count on from HSU is they are very deep!  Coach Keeling prepares his players well, and they get PT from the get go, and not just in mop up roles.  UMHB does the same thing.  I think at least these two schools more accurately have a three deep than a two deep roster.  SRSU and MCM may very well be much improved, and on any Saturday, anyone can win.  But don't count the chicken based on the idea that J Neal is the life in HSU.  Is he important? Yes! Anyone of the class and caliber a Jordan Neal is an asset that will be missed on the field, but people like Jordan seem to have the ability to inspire from the sideline as well.

I think of Major Applewhite at UT, and his pulling for the team ready to do whatever was necessary for the team.  Major sat on the sideline and watched a more physically talented Chris Simms and never let it become about Major vs Chris. (I thought Major should have been the starter)  Jordan is that kind of guy.  He's concerned about the team and his leadership will be felt, even if its from the sideline.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JimmyD on September 21, 2005, 01:14:19 am
Nobody said that Sul Ross and McMurry are better than HSU or MHB.  I said that stats and scores show that there has been vast improvements on these two teams.  Wether people want to believe it or not SR or McM has the potential to knock of the top teams.  HSU lost there QB and had other injuries.  There offensive leader is gone and there is no way that a second string QB can be that good in D3.  Im not talking bad about HSU's new QB, but thats the truth.  Im not saying SR has the recruits that HSU or MHB has, but just don't count SR or McM out again this year.


Go LOBOS!

shut up; your statements are asinine and embarrassing to us.  and it's "their".
<sp>
SR does not take responsibility for him.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on September 21, 2005, 01:34:33 am
J Neal...we love you man.  Out thoughts and prayers will be with you in the morning and for a complete and speedy recovery.

Ditto to some of the previous posters.  Jordy Bernhard will be just fine.  He is a very intellegent player and will bring a little different look to the Cowboy 'O'.

Ron and Josh...thank you for the excellent coverage of the Abilene area D3 football last weekend and for the great photos.  I guess I'm going to have to get me some.

Go Cowboys!!  Get the Choctaws.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2005, 08:45:34 am
In the search for a more cosmic understading of the univerise, I note that a transient shift in the Abilene universe occurred yesterday.

The HSU volleyball team broke an 8-game losing streak to McMurry with a 5 set win.  HSU now has won 2 matches in the last 23.

With that observation, we shall look for the comparable shift when McMurry plays HSU in football later this fall. ;D

 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on September 21, 2005, 09:02:46 am
HSU and UMHB are probably deeper than two deep and that has a tremendous impact in DIII football. 

SRSU has two wins but against who?  SWAGU and the team that finished last in the conference last year.  Better get ready for the Brownwood trip!!!

TLU has been very impressive as has been McMurry.  Those two schools will make things interesting!!

Good luck and a speedy recovery J Neal.  You are a class guy!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on September 21, 2005, 09:06:22 am
RT,

The volleyball is just part of the HSU quest for the "whole enchilada."  As long as we were winning in football, nothing else mattered.  ;D  The worm has turned...we want it ALL!

I think "Track and Field" will be next, after basketball! ???

Ron and Josh...thanks for the "Abilene Week" in football coverage.  Great stories and pictures.

And Jordan Neal...if/when you read this...sending prayers for a successful mending of the injury.  HSU will miss you, but we know you'll provide support from the sidelines!  Good luck!

Cowboys---Git 'er done!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2005, 09:15:06 am
[...] Wether [sic] people want to believe it or not SR or McM has the potential to knock of [sic] the top teams.  HSU lost there[sic] QB and had other injuries.  There[sic] offensive leader is gone and there is no way that a second string QB can be that good in D3.  Im[sic] not talking bad about HSU's new QB, but thats[sic] the truth.  [...]

So, how's that remedial writing class coming?

Something you seem to have missed in your extensive research and knowledge of D3, Bar, is that the "second string QB" at Hardin-Simmons is a transfer from Indiana.  As in Division I Indiana, where he redshirted two years ago before transferring to Hardin-Simmons.    I think he can play, especially after seeing him in person on Saturday.  Have you seen him play?  Have you seen anyone in D3 play anywhere outside of Alpine?   Making assumptions about all of D3 using one data point (e.g. SR) is dangerous ...

Good luck to Jordan Neal.   Hopefully his surgery goes well. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 21, 2005, 09:40:09 am
Ron,  I didn't know he was an Indiana transfer.  Where did he play high school football?  How would you compare him to Neal?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 21, 2005, 09:47:12 am
Ron, How good is Louisian College?  I read your report that they lost the ball with 7 turnovers.  That is not indicative of a very good team, or was HSU that much more dominant?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2005, 09:54:19 am
Ron,  I didn't know he was an Indiana transfer.  Where did he play high school football?  How would you compare him to Neal?

He played at Coppell, Bill, as did HPU QB Adam Johnson.  Pretty impressive that both ended up at D-I schools out of college (Rhode Island for Johnson), also interesting that both have found their way back home to D3.  

Hard to fully compare the two given the situation that Jordy was thrown into.  I'm sure Bernhard was working with a somewhat simplified set of plays, but he was poised and showed a nice touch on his throws.  Jordan Neal is obviously the emotional leader of the ballclub, but I liked the way the Cowboys responded to Bernhard and don't think they lose much once he gets fully up to speed.  

LC - they did get 400 yards despite the faux paus, some self-inflicted, some forced.  Defensively, tho, they had no answers for HSU, especially in the second half.  They'll probably win a couple of conference games, especially when they don't have to travel all the way across Texas to play games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 21, 2005, 09:58:45 am
Still looks like October 22 will be an interesting game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2005, 11:16:52 am
There are five regional SCAC games which could be impacted by Rita, should she continue on-course and on-schedule.  I am contacting the SIDs at the respective schools and hope to have some information about preliminary weather planning in the next day or two.

- McMurry at Texas Lutheran
- DePauw at Trinity
- UMHB at Louisiana College
- ETBU at Austin College
- Sul Ross at HPU (on the western edge which is normally dry, but should the storm go west of current projections Brownwood could also be impacted)

Hardin-Simmons plays at MC, which is far enough east and north that Rita should not impact game play.  Getting back could be another story.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 21, 2005, 02:58:41 pm
There's a lot of discussion on the Ohio Athletic forum about Ohio Northern being banned from the playoffs this year.  There is a press conference at 3:00.  Pretty discouraging for a Top 10 team, I'm sure.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2005, 03:31:00 pm
Ron, geograhically, I see the TLU-McMurry game as the most vulnerable.  Matador Stadium is real grass, and I am sure that the Seguin ISD doesn't want the field torn up with a college ballgame in a torrential rainstorm.

As for Brownwood, anything that doesn't flood Underwood's Barbecue, is not crop-damaging hail or is not a tornado is okay. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TUFilmGuy on September 21, 2005, 03:59:23 pm
I was at Matador Stadium for a JV game last Monday.  Matador Stadium is artificial turf.  I think the TU-Depaw game is more vulnerable.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2005, 04:31:53 pm
I was at Matador Stadium for a JV game last Monday.  Matador Stadium is artificial turf.  I think the TU-Depaw game is more vulnerable.

Hate to turn this into a weather report, but I got a "A" in Meteorology 101 at good ol' TU ...

The Express-News  summarizes a local forecaster thusly:  "Hurricane Rita shouldn't bring more than a bit of rain and some gusty winds to the Alamo City Saturday if it keeps on its present path." (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA092105.ritanationalEN.7d39bb65.html).  Not sure I agree with that assessment.  It is true that people to the north and east of the center of a storm will get more rain, but it is also true that this is going to be a big storm by the time it hits, and it's not forecast to miss SA by that much (http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200518_5day.html).  That the storm has turned to a westerly course after yesterday's somewhat WWNW jog is not helpful for SA.   Or Corpus Christi, for that matter.   It all depends on how long this big high pressure ridge stays west. 

Ralph, I would agree that the 30 miles TLU is east of SA could make a big difference.  I would not expect either team to play on Saturday if the storm continues on its present track.  It has nothing to do with the condition of the field, but safety for the players and fans. 

The basic feedback I have gotten so far from the SIDs is that they are monitoring the situation and will make a call later in the week as things start to firm up.   Everyone is keeping their eyes *and* options open. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2005, 04:38:00 pm
My bad!  Thanks for the correction! :)

They are comparing this hurricane to Hurricane Carla in 1960 1961.  (Thanks to Warren Thompson.)    Paul Broxterman, a friend of mine who was killed in the Oklahoma City Murrah Federal Bldg bombing, and I rode our bicycles to school that morning.  The weather deteriorated so badly that my father picked us up from school.  The rain was so torrential that it literally washed the college football pennant decals (Minnesota, USC, California, Purdue) off the fenders of my bicycle as it remained on the bicycle rack sustaining the remnants of Carla.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: redhorn on September 21, 2005, 08:06:28 pm
Hey Ralph - thanks for the welcome back on the pick-em board last week. My kid doesn't play in the ASC anymore, but I still like D-3 football & enjoy reading the posts here. I'll be checking in from time to time, mostly just reading though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2005, 12:51:40 am
I mentioned the ASC all-time series earlier this week.

McMurry and TLU are playing for the 22nd time in series that began in 1957.  According to the Handbook of Texas,  Texas Lutheran became a senior college in 1947.

When did TLU start playing football as a senior college?  Are there any games of "TLC" as a junior college playing other ASC members? Any Texas Lutheran (Junior) College vs Schreiner, whom I know was playing football as Schreiner Institute before WW2?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 22, 2005, 01:59:39 am
Ralph,

Where do you get this data?  Are you our own D3 "Able Danger" data mining operation? ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 22, 2005, 07:11:49 am
Any word on the status of the UMHB-LC game due to Rita?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 22, 2005, 07:43:06 am
The Abilene paper this morning said that the McM-TLU game might be moved to Friday and a different location.
Anyone from either of those schools know anything about that?

HSU Folk -- What's the latest on Neal's surgery and prognosis?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2005, 08:38:54 am
Any word on the status of the UMHB-LC game due to Rita?

Last I heard (yesterday) was that they were looking at moving the game up, either earlier Sat or to Fri.  No official news yet.

The projected storm track has moved considerably east since yesterday evening. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 22, 2005, 08:52:58 am
The TLU Web-site says that Friday classes are cancelled and students are urged to leave the campus. Those who are unable to leave can remain in their dorms, but only limited food service will be available. While Seguin is 150 miles from the Gulf, they are obviously taking Rita very seriously. As of this morning, NOAA says that Rita is the third most powerful Atlantic hurricane in history.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 22, 2005, 09:09:11 am
Baddog,

I usually see Jordan around on Thursdays working on class stuff.  I don't know if he'll be around today since he had surgery yesterday but if he is I'll find out how things went. 

I can tell you that he showed me the xrays and his collarbone looked kind of like a backwards z.  He said the surgery would consist of them putting in a rod to straighten the bone and then wraping the bone with a dissolving suture around the breaks to help keep everything pulled together while its healing.  It was an out patient procedure and was only supposed to take about an hour for the actual surgery.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 22, 2005, 09:26:48 am
Here is an update on the LC-UMHB game:

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050922/SPORTS/509220330/1006

When I find out for sure, I will be sure to post. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 22, 2005, 11:11:53 am
As of now, per the TLU Web-site, Saturday's game v. McMurry is on as scheduled, 6 pm, at Matador Stadium in Seguin.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2005, 11:12:52 am
cgmatch, it is good to have solid fan from LC providing us with updates from that part of the conference.  Thanks for the hyperlink.

Several fans have done so in the past, but you have taken the yoke this year and are pulling your fair share.  It is good to see local articles about players as well.

Good luck thru the Hurricane and stay safe. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on September 22, 2005, 11:14:48 am
We just got the following campus-wide email at McMurry from Jerry Larned, our AD:
"Football game with Texas Lutheran University WILL be played as scheduled @ 6:00 p.m., in Seguin, Texas."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 22, 2005, 11:15:14 am
Ralph looks like Underwoods and Brownwood will stay fairly dry, much to your disappointment :)  So the HPU/SRSU game should still be on as planned but may get some showers during gametime.  Good thing is with the new turf it won't be mud bowl 2005.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2005, 11:20:54 am
As far east as Rita is now apparently going, the Trinity and TLU games should be dry (not to mention HPU).

See the latest forecast plot (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT18/refresh/AL1805W_sm2+gif/145647W_sm.gif).  Tried to post it here but it kept getting shrunk way too much.

If the storm ends up landing here, HSU-MC will probably get more rain than any of the games scheduled in TX. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 22, 2005, 11:25:16 am
Central Texas might be OK, but it appears that the Houston/Galveston/Beaumont/Pt. Arthur area will be walloped.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2005, 11:29:40 am
Central Texas might be OK, but it appears that the Houston/Galveston/Beaumont/Pt. Arthur area will be walloped.

Yep, and a lot of refineries down there, not to mention natural gas facilities.  Fill your tanks today, folks in the rest of the country; prices back over $3/gallon after the weekend, if not sooner. 

Galveston might be relatively OK; if Rita comes in to the east, they'll be on the back side and won't get the storm surge.  Houston and points east, though ... not good.  A lot of my co-workers who live down there can't get out because the roads are jammed and the city is literally out of gas.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2005, 11:32:32 am
UMHB/LC has now been cancelled (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php?date=2005-09-22).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 22, 2005, 11:38:04 am
BfB:

There are folks in Houston who can't get out because the [FEMA-promised?] busses
aren't there [can't get there?].

Altogether, things ain't shaping up very well for deep southeast Texas ....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 22, 2005, 11:49:54 am
So Pat,

How will a cancelled unrescheduled conference game effect conference standings?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2005, 12:09:18 pm
This is an important question that would prolly have to be resolved by the league office.  Imagine the following scenario:

- HSU beats UMHB
- TLU beats HSU

TLU, UMHB, HSU otherwise win out.  You end up with this:

T1.  TLU 8-1
T1.  HSU 8-1
3.  UMHB 7-1

which would send TLU to the playoffs as the Pool A winner, leaving HSU and UMHB to fight for a pool C.   Might get two given the ONU situation, but not a good situation at all.

I don't say this is likely ...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2005, 12:42:23 pm
The biggest fans that Willamette has must be UMHB fans.  If Willamette makes the playoffs as a Pool B, then UMHB has another check mark on the primary selection criteria.  (I suspect that the win over 2004 Pool B Willamette team was the difference in the 2004 Pool C bid for the Cru!)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 22, 2005, 03:48:18 pm
I'm pulling for an 8-0 conference schedule. ;D

But if that happens, how do you call it.  It still seems kind of silly to me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhbex_98-01 on September 22, 2005, 04:01:22 pm
its entirely possible that a cancelled, non rescheduled conference game could be beneficial for umhb in the event that they finish the season with 1 loss. in '01 the umhb/mcm game was cancelled due to 9/11 and the fact that umhb did not play a poor mcm team helped their power ranking and lent to umhb's first pool-c playoff bid. as a former crusader i hope that the cru can finish 9-0, but a cancelled game does not mean the end of the playoff hunt even with one loss.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on September 22, 2005, 05:27:38 pm
The HSU game with Mississippi College has been changed to an 11 a.m. kickoff.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 22, 2005, 07:07:38 pm
Anybody out there?  I've been at Houston/Bush Airport since 7 a.m. and am kinda getting bored.  At least they have WiFi hotspots all over the place.   :-\

And I WILL make my 9 p.m. flight!   8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 22, 2005, 07:27:58 pm
Josh:

I'm out there (or here). Why are you still in Texas?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 22, 2005, 07:30:22 pm
Because I couldn't change my flight for the third time in two days to get out yesterday--without spending $1,500 worth of Bucknell's money.

Was attempting to do my day job this week, but the hurricaine put a damper on that!   >:(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 22, 2005, 07:31:54 pm
BTW, I wanna be cool like you and Ralph and be a HOFer.  How do you swing that?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 22, 2005, 08:42:57 pm
Josh:

How to become a HoFer? As is customary in Texas, get a cemetery to vote for you ....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 22, 2005, 08:50:26 pm
I guess I've been gone too long, because I don't get it.   ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 22, 2005, 08:58:08 pm
In his 1948 Senate race, LBJ's win was aided by the votes "cast" by a number of folks who just happened to reside in a certain south Texas graveyard.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 22, 2005, 09:00:04 pm
Aaahhhh,

"I see," said the man with no eyes.   8)


Seems like I remember reading about that.  Politics aside, he was one hell of an interesting dude!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 22, 2005, 09:39:18 pm
Or, to be fair, you can get the U.S. Supreme Court to appoint you like the latest president from Texas.
Or, if your brother is governor of another state, get his secretary of state to nullify enough of the votes cast for your
opponent.  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 22, 2005, 11:27:19 pm
LC has closed school for tomorrow, but is scheduled to resume Moday if everything is ok.  As for the football team, there was no practice today and many of them have headed out of town to be with family. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on September 23, 2005, 03:18:20 am
If HSu beats UMHB and TLU beats HSU then there would be a three way tie, then wouldn't there be a draw from a hat to see who gets the automatic.
Why would this happen?

This is an important question that would prolly have to be resolved by the league office.  Imagine the following scenario:

- HSU beats UMHB
- TLU beats HSU

TLU, UMHB, HSU otherwise win out.  You end up with this:

T1.  TLU 8-1
T1.  HSU 8-1
3.  UMHB 7-1

which would send TLU to the playoffs as the Pool A winner, leaving HSU and UMHB to fight for a pool C.   Might get two given the ONU situation, but not a good situation at all.

Why would UMHB be 3rd here and not in a three way tie.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 09:43:16 am
Why would UMHB be 3rd here and not in a three way tie.

UMHB would be 1/2 game behind the other two teams, having played one less game.  That is why the ASC office needs to make a ruling in advance.  From a "legal" or "statistical" POV, 6-1 < 7-1, unless the ASC office comes out and says that this year, should this happen, the league will treat this as a three way tie.  

Please don't use yellow when quoting.  It is very hard to read.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Norman on September 23, 2005, 10:39:06 am
How can a 0-2 team have national recognition??

Top 25: you have got to be kidding me
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on September 23, 2005, 11:00:55 am
I bet (and hope) none of the D3football.com voters will reply to you.  So here is a brief explaination;

TLU lost by a combined 15 points to the #2 (MHB) and #13 (Trinity) teams in the country.  Both games were on the road too.

Basically, there are games that can be considered "impressive losses."

TLU began the season ranked "#30" ... I'm pretty sure starting 0-2 by losing to the #2 and #13 teams by a combined 15 points warrants respect and a drop of only four spots (to "#34").
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Norman on September 23, 2005, 12:13:09 pm
How can a 0-2 team have national recognition??

Top 25: you have got to be kidding me

"Newbie who is so clueless he doesn't know what conference TLU is in" thread. 

Maybe you are all confused.  Not only did I play in the ASC, I also coached in the ASC.  It's not that I am unsure about how the process works, I just disagree with the ranking. 

I've seen many things happen in D3 football.  So TLU got beat by a couple of great teams.  What happens if little McM knocks off TLU this weekend.  Does McM jump from wherever in the heck they are to #21 on someones poll?  They would then be 3-0, leaving TLU 0-3.  I guess what I am getting at is my disagreement with ranking a team so high just based on the strength of their opponents.  I like facts better than predictions.  Fact is, TLU is 0-2. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on September 23, 2005, 12:15:13 pm
On the Issue of HSU beating UMHB and TLU beating HSU doesn't it revert back to the point difference? Like if TLU beats HSU by 10 and UMHB only beat TLU by 7, then they get the Pool A bid. This happened 2 years ago.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 23, 2005, 12:17:50 pm
Who is to even say that LC would not have beat UMHB.  Maybe it's a good thing for the CRU!!!

Just trying to rattle a few cages!!! ;D


Have a safe week to everyone traveling, and best wishes to those who have been affected, are being affected and will be affected by the weather that has been going on down south.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Norman on September 23, 2005, 12:19:15 pm
I bet (and hope) none of the D3football.com voters will reply to you.  So here is a brief explaination;

TLU lost by a combined 15 points to the #2 (MHB) and #13 (Trinity) teams in the country.  Both games were on the road too.

Basically, there are games that can be considered "impressive losses."

TLU began the season ranked "#30" ... I'm pretty sure starting 0-2 by losing to the #2 and #13 teams by a combined 15 points warrants respect and a drop of only four spots (to "#34").



OKAY: what about your #13 team bairly beating Austin College a few weeks ago.  HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE GUYS PLAY??  They are awful.  My major point is this.  To a certain extent, in D3 football you can have a national poll.  I just feel like it is humorous to see an 0-2 team ranked.  I will keep my mouth shut until McM upsets #21 in the nation.  Then I will be asking why McM isn't ranked in the top 20 next week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 23, 2005, 12:28:00 pm
Just win all the games and there shouldnt be a problem.  The three way tie a couple years back was a huge mistake.  TLU went to the playoffs and didnt deserve to be there.  UMHB should have gone, they were the better team that year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on September 23, 2005, 12:49:06 pm
I think you mean ETBU went to the playoffs, not TLU. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 23, 2005, 12:49:16 pm
I thought it was ETBU that went to the playoffs? ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 23, 2005, 12:50:08 pm
It was 2003 and it was ETBU that was in the playoffs. The Tigers lost to Lycoming 13-7 in the second round of the playoffs. They beat Trinity in the first round.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 23, 2005, 12:51:37 pm
Sorry about the double post cover2 :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 01:12:39 pm
Norman:

They are not ranked. Twenty-five teams are ranked. Everyone else is "Others receiving votes" and that is why they are clearly delineated as such in our poll.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 23, 2005, 01:39:51 pm
Just win all the games and there shouldnt be a problem.  The three way tie a couple years back was a huge mistake.  TLU went to the playoffs and didnt deserve to be there.  UMHB should have gone, they were the better team that year.

While I'm a UMHB fan, ETBU did what they had to under the rules to make the playoffs.  The Cru let the game get away from them against ETBU, but ETBU made a lot of big plays in that game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Norman on September 23, 2005, 02:22:18 pm
Norman:

They are not ranked. Twenty-five teams are ranked. Everyone else is "Others receiving votes" and that is why they are clearly delineated as such in our poll.


I understand that they are not recognized in the D3football.com poll.  However, I am not some idiot that it just making things up.  Read:

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/football/news/050920_polls.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 02:33:32 pm
So go complain to Don Hansen; nobody here has anything to do with his ratings.  A few people gave TLU votes in the D3football.com poll, and exactly one coach gave TLU one 25th place vote in the AFCA poll.   

BTW, kid's team isn't Trinity, it's Bridgewater.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 02:35:45 pm
Norman,

What Ron said. We couldn't care less what Don Hansen ranks teams as.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on September 23, 2005, 03:22:55 pm
I was just wondering if the crusaders not playing their game this weekend has any conference championship/playoff implications...if that triangle deal that was mentioned earlier up the board was to happen and umhb, hsu, and tlu all had one conference loss and if umhb had one less conference win than both of them, would that affect the ranking any ?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 23, 2005, 04:04:14 pm
sorry about the misprint TLU/ETBU.  I saw HSU play both ETBU and UMHB that year.  UMHB was the better of the three.  Yeah, any given saturday... you can win or lose.  I know.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 23, 2005, 04:11:21 pm
I bet (and hope) none of the D3football.com voters will reply to you.  So here is a brief explaination;

TLU lost by a combined 15 points to the #2 (MHB) and #13 (Trinity) teams in the country.  Both games were on the road too.

Basically, there are games that can be considered "impressive losses."

TLU began the season ranked "#30" ... I'm pretty sure starting 0-2 by losing to the #2 and #13 teams by a combined 15 points warrants respect and a drop of only four spots (to "#34").

Yeah but to be 0-2 and still be on the board like that is not right.  I doubt they have a chance at the conference championship.  Not impossible, but I doubt it.

Best GA in the Land = Skids
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 23, 2005, 04:51:10 pm
It doesn't really matter where TLU is ranked right now.  What matters is that they win some games, then they will be ranked.  I think they will have to beat HSU to make the playoffs.  I don't think 3 losses will look that great.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 05:09:52 pm
A awful lot of things are going to have to break right for TLU to make the playoffs even if they do somehow beat HSU.   After seeing both play the last two weekends, I don't see TLU doing it.  7-3 and playoffs?  No way whatsoever.  

Another complication for TLU is the SCAC situation.  Let's say the DU-TU game is not rescheduled, both DePauw and Trinity end up winning out,  DePauw wins the (yet to be decided) tiebreaker.  9-0 Trinity would get a pool C over 8-2 TLU, especially given that they won the week 2 matchup.  8-1 DU vs. 8-2 TLU would be a close call, esp. if Wesley makes it to the playoffs again (DU almost beat Wesley in week 1).   You guys may not like the way that sounds, but TLU doesn't have much more of a reputation than DePauw (yet).   That second loss, even tho it's a loss to a quality team, is going to hurt TLU's QoW index. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 23, 2005, 05:31:29 pm
I agree Ron.  They don't get in with 3 losses, but 8-2 might do it with losses only to UMHB and Trinity.  Will the at large teams be picked by their region or will the best teams be placed in any region for the playo?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 05:35:44 pm
They pick the best remaining teams (after the pool A's and B's are selected) for pool C's.  THEN they worry about sticking the teams into what we used to call regions.

I don't see them giving the ASC two pool Cs if the SCAC gets one.  A 9-0 or 8-1 Trinity will have the edge over an 8-2 TLU.  8-1 DePauw would be arguable. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on September 23, 2005, 07:08:17 pm
Absolutely amazing!!!

We haven't even played three games yet and there is talk about the playoffs, records, poll rankings, etc.

And most options assume that TLU and/or UMHB will beat HSU!  Must I remind everyone that HSU is the defending ASC Champion?  (Undefeated in conference play last year!)

Just thought I'd remind everyone of that fact! ;D

Go Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 23, 2005, 07:13:09 pm
Norman,

What Ron said. We couldn't care less what Don Hansen ranks teams as.

Dude, you guys are vicious. Lighten up Francis. DHFG is the best made up one person's ranking in the country. But remember, somehow this guy has been doing it for longer than this site, so he must have a little bit going for him.

Remember the days when your only source for small college football information (pre-internet) was "Dan and Peggy's College Football Preview"? That was big time college athletics. It was the Dave Campbell's of small college football.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 07:24:01 pm
I remember the Shonkas, definitely. As an SID I was amazed to get a request for preseason football information in April!

That's actually the concept we modeled our Kickoff on, except we had reporters do the capsules instead of SIDs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 23, 2005, 08:00:34 pm
D&P was the only way to learn about teams across the nation. I am glad to see that you are carrying their flag. When did they end, 1997 or 1998? I know it became a financial burden for them and they stopped sometime in the 1990s.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 23, 2005, 08:08:13 pm
Pat, I know this is old, but how many DIII schools are affected by the NCAA post-season ban on Indian mascots. I know in Division I, the NCAA has legislated that Indian mascots cannot go to bowl games. But it seems that every school in DI has petitioned to keep theirs (and been granted) except Illinois.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2167497
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 08:26:09 pm
Well, technically none are this year -- it doesn't go into effect until after football season.

However, I know Carthage, McMurry and Mississippi College are on the list.

And I don't know when the Shonkas discontinued the preview. I stopped working full-time as an SID in 1995.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 23, 2005, 08:31:37 pm
Thanks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 08:52:43 pm
And most options assume that TLU and/or UMHB will beat HSU!  Must I remind everyone that HSU is the defending ASC Champion?  (Undefeated in conference play last year!)

Nobody is saying anyone will beat HSU, all we are doing is discussing possible scenarios.  Obviously there's not much of a problem figuring out who gets the bids if HSU wins out. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on September 23, 2005, 09:17:05 pm
can anyone in Mississippi give us Abilene folk a weather preview?  Tonight and Tomorrow?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 23, 2005, 11:05:44 pm
minni,

As you can guess there is going to be wind and rain during the game, but they are hoping the big stuff is going to come after the game is over since it has been moved to an earlier time.  Hope that helps a little.  And, even though I hope the Choctaws pull it off, I still wish you and everyone else traveling a safe trip.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 23, 2005, 11:08:19 pm
minni,

I forgot to mention about tonight:  It is not raining, and either way it will not be a mud bath tomorrow because they have that new field turf over at MC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 23, 2005, 11:42:05 pm
CG,

If there is no mudbath, MC needs to be prepared to get run all over.  The HSU RBs are pretty quick and pack a load.

As for the MHB/LC game, I had lunch with some HSU fans.  On of them (the representation of word fanatic) recommended that they replay the game early on October 22 and move the HSU game back a few hours.  ::)

The reply from the other, MHB would just play the JV and still win soundly!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on September 24, 2005, 05:04:33 am
Sounds like the fanatic HSU fan wants UMHB to come into the game a little tired. Sounds like the fanatic fan thinks UMHB might be to much for HSU. Sounds like a great fan.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 24, 2005, 09:43:02 am
mhb8904,

I'm not so sure I am going to be able to agree with you on the LC/UMHB post you had about your JV beating our varsity. I know ya'll have a solid team, one of the best in the nation, but I don't think that ya'lls (3rd and 4th)JV?? teams is better than our first.  However, I wish ya'll the best the remainder of the season, and I look forward to keeping up with ya'll from up north.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 24, 2005, 10:48:34 am
Here is an article that was printed in The Town Talk this morning:

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050924/SPORTS/509240333/1006
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 24, 2005, 11:01:33 am
CG

I didn't say that.  I was a the table when it was said.  I was merely reporting the incident because I thought the conversation was funny.  I try real hard not to say stuff that might fuel a fire on game day.  Gotta show everyone respect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 24, 2005, 11:40:10 am
mhb8904,

I realized that it was someone a the table after I had already posted.  But it was too loate.  Sometimes I jump the gun.  Either way, I had no hard feelings.  Good luck next week agaisnt MC.  Coach Joseph is one of the best coaches I have ever been around.  He is going to get that program over there up and running before too long. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on September 24, 2005, 02:37:44 pm
Hats off to the Choctaws.  Sounds like they played a very good game.  What a defensive battle!

Congratulations on a big win Cowboys!  Keep it going.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2005, 04:11:53 pm
I have been away from the computer for a couple of days and will not be back home until Wednesday.  New grandsons are so much fun! :)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 25, 2005, 04:16:55 pm
Ralph:

So are "old" grandsons ... most of the time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on September 25, 2005, 06:46:45 pm
I too, remember the Shonkas.   I also got the Don Hansen stuff. Those were the only games in town.

Finally,  Pat came along and gave us some quality and good analysis.  :)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 08:07:03 am
Can anyone share their thoughts on HSU-MC?  14-0 is really surprising.  Was it do to the weather?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2005, 09:42:03 am
Bill--

Other than the brief release available here and at the HSU site (I haven't checked the MC site yet), it looks like 3 of HSU's four turnovers came very deep in MC territory, i.e. inside the 25 yard line.  The "yellow zone" for lack of a better term.   ;)  I guess it was pretty windy and rainy due to Hurricaine Rita.

Looks like MC did move the ball on occaision.  HSU's defense bent a bit but didn't break.  I'd love to hear from someone that was at the game, though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2005, 01:29:16 pm
Hardin-Simmons has announced its 2006 schedule. 

9/2:  UW-Stevens Point
9/16:  Linfield  (h/a; @ Linfield in '07)
9/23:  at Louisiana College               
9/30:  Mississippi College       
10/7:  at Mary Hardin-Baylor
10/14:  East Texas Baptist                 
10/21:  at Howard Payne       
10/28:  Sul Ross State
11/4:    at Texas Lutheran
11/11:  McMurry       

It'll be nice to have a chance to see Linfield in Texas, thanks guys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 26, 2005, 01:32:53 pm
Beat me to it...

HSU Announces Its Schedule. This has to be one of the toughest in the nation next season. The brackets indicate the team's Dunkel Index Rating.

09/02  [20] Wisconsin-Stevens Point
09/16  [1] Linfield

09/23  at [155] Louisiana College
09/30  [212] Mississippi College
10/07  at [4] Mary Hardin-Baylor
10/14  [97] East Texas Baptist
10/21  at [103] Howard Payne
10/28  [150] Sul Ross State
11/04  at [66] Texas Lutheran
11/11  [123] McMurry

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 01:43:58 pm
Wow! Playing Linfield is something.  Is Elliott  back next year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 26, 2005, 01:51:07 pm
No. He is a senior.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2005, 01:56:51 pm
What is HSU's Dunkel, Trent?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2005, 02:15:01 pm
It looks like Austin College did not want to renew its contract with HSU! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Norman on September 26, 2005, 02:21:00 pm
How does that work?  Has Austin College moved conferences???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2005, 02:36:16 pm
Uhhhh....who wants to bring Stormin' Norman into this season?   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2005, 02:52:08 pm
What is HSU's Dunkel, Trent?

As of last week (Week 3) HSU's Dunkel Index (http://www.dunkelindex.com/NCAA_Football_DivIII_Rankings.asp) was 62.0, or fifth. 

Interesting to note that Linfield's DI (80.9) is higher than all D2 teams save North Dakota (84.4), and ties Eastern Washingon for third in D-1AA.  It would tie Wake Forest for 78th in D-1A.   I believe that Dunkel Indexes are directly comparable across divisions. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 04:01:26 pm
Uhhhh....who wants to bring Stormin' Norman into this season?   ;)

Allow me.

Norman, welcome to 2005. Back in May, there was an announcement you might want to look at. (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php?date=2005-05-26)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on September 26, 2005, 04:05:29 pm
Looking forward to coming down to Texas next year for the HSU/Linfield game.  It should be an great series over the next two years.  I love it that HSU and Linfield stepped up to give D3 a game that we can look forward to during the long winter/spring/summer months.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on September 26, 2005, 04:22:53 pm
That Sellers kid is one work of art, for the rest of the ASC sake I'm glad he is a senior, I would hate to have to face him 3 more years. He gave TLU fits, he is one hellava athlete. McMurray is young and just needs some more talent around him. The game was not as close as the score indicated, TLU reserves got quite a bit of playing time to bad they lost their top receiver to an injury who knows for how long. Hopefully the dogs can go undefeated til the last game against HSU. I know 2 losses will hurt them but had the Trinity game been flipped with the UMHB I think TLU would be 2-1. The UMHB match up was just a good game and the right team won it eventhough TLU had it's chances.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2005, 04:24:46 pm
I agree, Wildcat!  Now maybe some other "big name" DIII schools will follow suit and start scheduling each other in their non-conference slots. 

Kudos to these two schools for setting the pace!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 04:26:33 pm
I agree, Wildcat!  Now maybe some other "big name" DIII schools will follow suit and start scheduling each other in their non-conference slots. 

Agreed, and I will blog about that when I get the chance.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2005, 04:29:45 pm
A pre-emptive karma point for the future blog!   8)

(I can always hope, can't I?)   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2005, 04:35:50 pm
That Sellers kid is one work of art, for the rest of the ASC sake I'm glad he is a senior, I would hate to have to face him 3 more years.

The kid can flat out play.  For some reason I thought he was a junior, but you are right, he's a senior.  With no fewer than nine QB's on the roster, it will be interesting to see who next year's QB will be.  None of the QBs who played in '04 are on the '05 roster. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 26, 2005, 06:33:50 pm
Josh, I think your latin is off. It should read: "Spes Mea in Deo Est" which translates to "My Hope Is In God" -- Psalm 61:8

Dude, Four years of Bible College paid off on that one.


Question to you ASC'ers:

What is your school's biggest and most important major?  It does not have to be the same. (i.e. Sul Ross -- Agribusiness and Animal Science).

ASC'ers with football only. I could care less about Trinity and the SCAC and what have you. I have nothing against Trinity, I have been there plenty and I think it is a great school, but I want to learn something about LC other than it is in Pineville and MC other than it looks like a plantation. Those are just two examples. Thanks.

PS -- Austin College is leaving? Just kidding. Damn no more trips to the mayonaise factory. The stadium upgrade was nice, but why did they not put in new visitors bleachers?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on September 26, 2005, 08:15:31 pm
Apparnetly I have been under a rock.  What is happening to Austin College?

Why arent they on the HSU schedule?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 08:49:01 pm
Minni,

Back in May, there was an announcement you might want to look at. (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php?date=2005-05-26)

This was also posted in a message on this board mere hours ago. Try to keep up. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2005, 08:57:15 pm
And I have mentioned something about it in three of four "Around the South" columns so far.  Guess my readership is shrinking  ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 09:16:00 pm
Any word on who the other schools are looking to schedule in place of Austin College?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 26, 2005, 10:11:00 pm
I know ETBU will play Trinity, but I do not think we have a second game yet.

As far as a little about ETBU
Enrollment 1350 ish
Cost in 2005 16,700
Education, Nursing are excellent programs
Business is probably the largest program
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2005, 08:44:48 am
I'm pretty sure my Latin is correct, Trent--at least for the organizational purposes that it's there for.   ;)

You did get the translation right, though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 27, 2005, 09:11:54 am
etbualum,  Who is Austin College going to play for their non-conference games?  That will be an interesting matchup with Trinity.  Glad to see that happen.  I would thing TLU will continue to play Trinity, also.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Norman on September 27, 2005, 10:52:02 am
Minni,

Back in May, there was an announcement you might want to look at. (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php?date=2005-05-26)

This was also posted in a message on this board mere hours ago. Try to keep up. :)

All you had to do was answer the guys question.  You guys that spend your lives on here talking down to everyone that asks questions or posts comments.  I am not referring to everyone, but you know who you are.  Cut out the sarcasm and just answer questions.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 27, 2005, 10:58:56 am
I'm pretty sure my Latin is correct, Trent--at least for the organizational purposes that it's there for.   ;)

You did get the translation right, though.

From my latin/english Bible. It was driving me crazy to know what it said.

I found a Psalms translator on the web as well.

http://members.tripod.com/~gunhouse/psalmstxt/ps61.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on September 27, 2005, 11:01:10 am
Minni,

Back in May, there was an announcement you might want to look at. (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php?date=2005-05-26)

This was also posted in a message on this board mere hours ago. Try to keep up. :)

All you had to do was answer the guys question.  You guys that spend your lives on here talking down to everyone that asks questions or posts comments.  I am not referring to everyone, but you know who you are.  Cut out the sarcasm and just answer questions.

You are funny Norman. That made me laugh hard. Dude, I asked you to stop the all caps and you appologized and I accepted. Lighten up Francis.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 27, 2005, 11:01:49 am
When austin college leaves the asc, will the conference lose its automatic playoff bid?  I read the article about the move to the scac.  One line caught my attention.
"We are pleased to offer membership to Austin College in the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference," said commissioner Steve Argo. "Austin brings a strong Division III program to our conference and we look forward to a long and successful relationship."
I remember the weekend of 9/11, austin college waited till the last minute to cancel a game against HSU.   I remember HSU was picked to win.  I hope that long and successful relationship can work with a program that's going to try and weasel out of a possible beating.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 27, 2005, 11:13:54 am
I remember the weekend of 9/11, austin college waited till the last minute to cancel a game against HSU.   I remember HSU was picked to win.  I hope that long and successful relationship can work with a program that's going to try and weasel out of a possible beating.

You can't be serious about them weaseling out of the game.  Games were cancelled all over the country because of the terrorist attack.  Wake up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2005, 11:16:13 am
No, the ASC is safe.  The SCAC would have lost their automatic bid without AC, though.

In DIII football, every conference with at least seven member schools (that play football, obviously), qualify for an automatic bid to the playoffs, or a Pool A bid.  Conference champions who play in leagues with fewer than seven teams can qualify for Pool B bids.  The rest are at-large spots, or Pool C.

Up until this season, there were more Pool B slots available than quality teams to fill them--due to a fair amount of conference consolidation.  Ergo, we were seeing several 2-3 loss Pool B teams in the playoffs.  

This year, however, the number of Pool A/Pool B slots has been adjusted to reflect the number of potential conference champions from both Pool A & B conferences.  What this essentially means in laymans terms is that runners up from Pool B conferences will be required to compete for Pool C bids on their own merits against runners up from Pool A conferences--making the whole selection process A) more fair and B) more conducive to filling the playoff field with the most qualified teams.

The SCAC needed AC to stay at 7 football playing schools.  The ASC now has only 9 football playing members, and will be required to schedule an additional non-conference game starting next year.  This will present significant problems for some schools, but opportunities for DIII fans as well (i.e. the HSU game vs. Linfield the next two years).  

But, the ASC retains the all-important auto bid--and that's the bottom-line most important thing for the conference.  Long answer to your question, but I hope that this helps a bit.  Hopefully, others will chime in, as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2005, 11:22:38 am
Bill, if memory serves me correctly....

...The stinky thing was that they had and HSU had mutually assured one another that they would play the game despite the circumstances.  But, AC cancelled almost literally as the HSU players were boarding the bus to travel to Sherman the day before the game.  It caused significant inconvenience and a fair expense to HSU as a result. 

Plus, if you'll remember, that season AC was supposed challenge for the conference championship--and getting out of their game vs. HSU (who wound up in the national semifinals) was convenient for the 'Roos, to say the least.

That's why Oscar Page, President of AC, remains on the black-list of several HSU fans--myself included.  That and the fact he'd been trying to move the 'Roos to the SCAC for several years.  Guess we in the ASC aren't good enough for AC.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 27, 2005, 11:31:36 am
There has never been a time like 9/11 and people were scrambling all over the country to decide what to do.  Most everyone cancelled that weekend.  I don't if anyone knows what AC was doing behind closed doors.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhbex_98-01 on September 27, 2005, 11:37:48 am
bill-
ac still managed to host soccer and volleyball that same weekend. their refusal to host hsu alos caused the cancellation of umhb/mcm. as i said in an earlier post, that may have been fortunate, but at the time i was a player and hated missing a game for "shady" reasons.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 27, 2005, 11:41:32 am
I don't know how it can be "shady reasons" when the country was in a time of crisis and mourning.  Maybe it was poor timing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2005, 11:42:23 am
Look, I think the decision to cancel was the right one.  I just think that they (AC) could have been less wishy-washy about the deal.  I had forgotten about the other stuff that umhbex points out, but I believe he is correct.

Anyway, that was a long time ago--so it really doesn't matter anymore.  Just wanted to provide some historical context, that's all.  Not something I feel that we have to revisit.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 27, 2005, 11:45:02 am
Josh, I'm not questioning you, but the quote of "weaseling out" hit a raw nerve.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2005, 11:47:02 am
No problem, Bill. 

Tim is still a bit close to the whole thing to have the benefit of perspective.  Don't hold it against him.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 27, 2005, 01:03:10 pm
I think part of the reason for soccer and volleyball was that visiting teams were already at the university.  Talking withs ome AC people the move to the scac will give them an even field as far as recruiting.  AC has by far the highest academic standards of any ASC school.  They are also very competitive with SCAC schools in cost at around 28k a year. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on September 27, 2005, 01:10:12 pm
A month ago, someone asked President Page at the AC student/parent orientation before the start of their classes why AC was switching conferences.  He said they wanted to be in a conference with more "national" exposure, since the SCAC includes more out-of-state schools than the ASC and AC is trying to give itself a more "national" reputation in general.  He assumed the extra exposure would compensate for the extra travel cost.   I suppose that does mean that AC doesn't consider the ASC good enough, though he was careful not to say so in so many words.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2005, 02:42:42 pm
I suppose that does mean that AC doesn't consider the ASC good enough, though he was careful not to say so in so many words.

It's not a matter of "good enough".  Getting kids to come to college, like everything else, depends on convincing them the college is a good fit for them.  The fact of the matter is that, given the scholastic profile of the average prospective AC student, the SCAC is simply a better fit: 

--ASC avg - - AC - -SCAC avg
Avg SAT  101812401248
Avg ACT  20.925.527.1
Tuition$12490$20495$24470
Room/Board$4665$7376$7517
Source:  collegeboard.com and school web sites.  FB-playing schools only.  AC and departing SCAC member RHIT excluded from averages.

Just compare AC's numbers to the ASC and SCAC averages, and you tell me where they fit.  That in turn will make it easier to sell athletes on participating in programs.   All of a sudden, Austin goes from being the most horrendously expensive program in a conference to one of the less expensive ones. 

Marketing.  I hate it, but it is a fact of life, and IMO it was simply hard to market AC athletics as a member of the ASC.  You can certainly observe that the SCAC waited until it needed AC to accept them, but the conference is now on record as seeking more members that meet this profile. 

Please note that this table is in no way the measure of worth of any of the colleges or conferences involved.  There is a lot more to the college experience than a few numbers on a page.  All the same, numbers are important and are one of the factors used by students to select colleges (and vice versa). 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2005, 03:33:41 pm
You know I meant my original comment sarcastically, right Ron? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2005, 03:47:16 pm
Wasn't really aiming that response at you, Josh.  There have been a number of comments that "AC thinks they are too good for the ASC" and I was trying to provide a little perspective to those who were. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on September 27, 2005, 04:29:20 pm
Congrats to Brandon Stevens of HPU and Chad Glover of ETBU for making this weeks D3Football team of the week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on September 27, 2005, 06:31:39 pm
BFB

As any numbers cruncher will tell you "numbers can't always be trusted". What would your averages look like if SRSU was dropped?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 27, 2005, 07:04:45 pm
The comparison would certainly still stand, even though the ASC's numbers would skyrocket if you dropped both SRSU and HPU. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2005, 08:03:30 pm
Well, then it wouldn't be the ASC, then, would it?

You could do the Olympic thing and drop both the high score and the low score and see what you get.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 27, 2005, 11:27:43 pm
Do those numbers keep in mind UTD and UTT...they are cheap.....and easy to get into
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 28, 2005, 12:00:47 am
Roocru rides again to defend his and his daughter’s alma mater!!   ;D

Seriously, I would like to paint this picture in some personal terms.  For at least 35 years, the saying at Austin College has been along the lines of ”There are three types of people who attend Austin College; (1) real smart kids who can earn a big enough scholarship to afford it, (2) real smart kids who are so poor they can get enough financial aid to afford it and (3) real smart kids who can afford it no matter what it costs.”

I fell into category 2.  I was the first one on either side of my family to ever attend college.  My parents were hourly wage earners who, even with my hefty financial aid package, put themselves in debt so I could attend AC and play football.   :(

My daughter falls into category 1.  She actually preferred Trinity and wanted to go there but could not turn down the superior financial scholarship from  AC.   :-\

My son visited AC, HPU and UMHB and decided to attend UMHB because it felt more right for him.  Even if he had wanted to go to AC we might have fallen into the same boat as my parents for him to attend there because I could not qualify for enough financial aid. :P

Let’s put these three categories into perspective with the recruiting issue.  If Category 1 is involved how many parents would do what my parents did for an athlete to attend AC today instead of a cheaper school in the ASC? Strike one against AC in the ASC, even match up in the SCAC!!

If Category 2 is involved AC has a chance to recruit against schools in the SCAC and Trinity in particular.  Strike 2 for AC in the ASC because this type of kid wants to attend this type of school.  Home run for AC in the SCAC!!

If Category 3 is involved, the ASC wins against the SCAC but this put AC and Trinity in the same boat and they are not going to get this type of kid anyway.  This is much of the current scenario out there and is why AC cannot compete in recruiting against other ASC schools. Strike three against AC in the ASC, even match up in the SCAC!!

AC is tired of striking out and wants to be on at least a level playing field.   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 28, 2005, 12:01:57 am
MCMfan, I disagree.  I think Dr. Page meant exactly what he said.  Playing six similar schools in five states (Kentucky, Tennessee, Indiana, Mississippi and Texas) obviously covers a wider number of states and gives more national exposure to their type of kids than playing no similar schools in three states (Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi).

Josh, you said you did not want to revisit the issue but you did feel like some historical perspective.  Here is my historical perspective as to the cancellation of the game on 9/11. Perhaps AC did the right thing while HSU ignored the lead of the vast majority of sports teams in the country and callously wanted to play anyway. Why did HSU want to play so badly that they took no initiative in cancelling the game and rather blames AC for cancelling at the last minute?  The “weasel” comment from “sthrncwby” hit a “raw nerve” with me as well.

These comments are the perspective of one AC alumnus and should be taken with a grain of salt as all comments on this board should be.  However, any negative comments about any school deserve at least a rebuttal.  AC was an independent when I played, a founding school of the ASC and stood alongside three other schools when it was the old TIAA and they had to play each other twice to keep D3 non-scholarship football alive in Texas.  Rather than cheap shots on their parting, perhaps we need to wish one of our family good luck as they strike out on their own !!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2005, 12:12:30 am
Do those numbers keep in mind UTD and UTT...they are cheap.....and easy to get into

As I said earlier, only football-playing schools were included in the comparison.   So, no, no UTD, UTT, Concordia, Ozarks, Schreiner, or LeTourneau; no Southwestern, Hendrix, or Oglethorpe in the SCAC numbers.    This is D3football.com, not D3anysports.com. 

To answer the questions about "what happens if Sul Russ was excluded," the differences are not major.   Average SAT would go up 20, ACT by .5, tuition by $1k/year, room/board by $70.   And if you do the "olympic" thing Pat mentions, that would probably cancel out. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2005, 12:56:16 am
Perhaps AC did the right thing while HSU ignored the lead of the vast majority of sports teams in the country and callously wanted to play anyway.

That was only true in the professional ranks (and I'm including Division I-A football in that statement :) -- because that's how I feel about I-A football). However, in Division III, three-quarters of the scheduled games were played.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 28, 2005, 01:06:20 am
Pat,  I stand corrected, even if I still disagree with those 75%.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 28, 2005, 08:50:21 am
AND AC had agreed to play the game earlier in the week, after much discussion between AC/HSU and UMHB/McM.  This all happened when my contacts in the ASC were still top-calibre, and I know this for a FACT.   All four schools had decided that they would all play or none would play.  It was an 11th hour deal.  Period.

Don't go getting self-righteous all of a sudden, roocru.  You, yourself know damned well it could have been handled better by AC--and the fact that other athletic contests were held on their campus that weekend proves it.

Maybe Tim could have chosen a better word to bring up the topic, but sheesh--sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade, man!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 28, 2005, 08:58:32 am
Furthermore, roocru, I don't appreciate the implication that I'm sticking any "parting shots" to anybody at AC.  You seem to forget that I'm a college guy, and have a pretty good idea of the general lay of the land.

I think AC is an excellent school--one I almost attended instead of HSU, to be quite honest.  I personally happen to think that they'll be a lot better off in the SCAC all the way around, and I always found it a bit perplexing that they were never allowed in.  I wish them luck. 

(BTW, Bonzo will back me up on this, because he and I discussed our opinions of the situation extensively on the drive to and from Dallas to Abilene a couple of weeks ago.)

If you get that upset over a simple, tounge-in-cheek comment....well, me thinks you might have some serious inferiority complex issues.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 28, 2005, 09:30:40 am
Josh,  I see now in reading my rebuttal during the light of the day that you might think I was directing my "cheap shot " statement directly to you and you alone.  That was not intended to be the case.  I was directing it to all who were making comments about AC leaving the ASC, not the 9/11 thing.  You stated to Bill and Ron that you were "not trying to revisit" and were "only being sarcastic" and I took you at your word on this. It is alright if we disagree on the 9/11 thing (just like Bill McCabe did) and I believe and we can leave it at that. 

Most of my rebuttal was directed to the fact that people seemed to feel that AC thought they were too good for the ASC and that was the main thrust of my reply.  From your comments you agree with that aspect and I think we are on the same page there. 

I don't think any inferiority complex is involved.  I do think I should be able to state a personal and what I personally believe to be a well-thought out opinion here without receiving attacks in return but I can see as, I said before, you thought I was directing my comments to you alone.  I also said in my conclusion that you could take my comments, along with those of any other posters, with a grain of salt.

Besides, I lost a hard earned karma point while trying to defend my alma mater :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 28, 2005, 09:36:02 am
Well, you'll have to pardon me, then. 

When the crux of your original statement is underneath a comment directed at me by name, I can only assume that you are directing your thoughts toward me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 28, 2005, 09:44:15 am
I see the whole "hit a nerve" thing, but I still stand behind my statement.  AC weaseled out of a beating.  AC hosted tournaments that weekend.  Does patriotism and respect only apply to football programs.  Make a decision and stand by it.  But we cannot change what happened in the past.  Let them run to the SCAC.  Hope its a more level playing field?  Put your pants on and be a man.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 28, 2005, 09:44:58 am
Here is a link to an article in today's edition of The Town Talk.  Jamie Rister came to LC and ended up starting at QB.  He was asked to move to TE for the benefit of the team, and did it without question.  It turns out that it worked out quite well.  I would like to see him used more in the gameplan, he has good hands, and good speed, but everybody's a coach, right?  At any rate, here's the link:

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050928/SPORTS/509280325/1006
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 28, 2005, 12:33:27 pm
sthrncwby,
As I said everyone has a right to their opinion and yours and mine happen to differ.  I think on the 9/11 issue they will always stay different but that is OK with me.  I also happen to think you are coming on a little strong about the issue, but that is your perogative as well.

Back to my rebuttal, it seems everyone has latched onto one small part regarding 9/11 while the vast majority of the two part post  regarded the leaving of Austin College to the SCAC.  I think it is the duty of every school official to do what they believe is right for their school.  I am the AD in a school district where a school of less than 1400 enrollment  still plays district contests against schools with enrollments ranging from 2100 to more than 4000 because of what is perceived as "travel reasons".  That is not fair to that school and I am working to change that so they have a level field of competition.  Does this mean I should make them "put on their pants and play like a man"?  I see no real reason that AC should not do what they perceive as fair and best for their kids as well.

Ron and Josh have listed actual facts showing the differences in the makeup of the two conferences.  So far the only negative effect on the ASC is HSU replacing the AC game with Linfield  ;D  I jest, but I do realize there are more scheduling issues to arrive later.  I hope the best for all ASC schools and for AC in their new home.

ps.  Now that I have cleared up the issue with Josh, can I get my karma point back?   ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 28, 2005, 01:05:56 pm
When I get my three karma points back!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 28, 2005, 01:27:58 pm
I respect roocru's opinion.  Just to be clear, my problem had nothing to do with 9/11, it was toward AC actions.  As for my coming on strong, I was a player awaiting a game that at the last minute was cancelled.  You may not understand the preparation that goes into a college football game.  I did not prep all week to do nothing on sat.  AC also represents/represented the American Southwest Conference.  To make such a mistake makes us, all teams associated in the ASC, look bad.  That's why I feel so strongly.  The "pants" comment was targeted for college athletics, not high school.  If my head coach wants to step up and play some of the big boys, so be it.  I would "put my pants on and and play like a man."  I wouldn't back down from any opponent.  Coach Keeling wants to set up a game with Linfield?  Great!  I wish Linfield the best of luck.  I expect HSU to show them some cowboy football.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on September 28, 2005, 01:38:17 pm
Here is an idea from a different point of view on the AC-HSU game several years ago.  As a player all we wanted to do was play.  Coach K would tell us everyday that week, when we step on the field its time for football and the things of the world need to be put aside.  Also telling us that week if we did play that we were going to go do something that many people in this country love to play and watch and that was football.  Weather it was right or not to play or not play was a decision made by a president and his school.  Were we upset as players?  of course we were you took our chance of doing something that we get to only do a certain number of times.  But I personally think this conversation should be over and maybe talk about the absolutely marvolous schedule Coach K has blessed us with next year.  I realize it is next year but finally some teams in this country are going to give us something to be excited about and look forward to.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on September 28, 2005, 01:40:15 pm
I really hope I didnt offend anyone.  I sometimes get to typing and thinking without thinking.  Sorry if I stepped on toes.   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 28, 2005, 01:48:24 pm
I agree with minni.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 28, 2005, 02:22:13 pm
I agree to drop the issue.  However, I do want to make a different point clear to sthrncwby.  I did play four years of college ball at AC.  I then spent  twenty years as a high school coach, both as an assistant and as a head coach.  The last fourteen years I have served as an athletic director for two school districts.  One with a large 5A high school(3600 students) and three middle schools.  My current district has five high schools and twelve middle schools.   I believe I do understand what all goes into preparing for a football game.  I just wanted to let you know I am not a novice.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 28, 2005, 03:00:59 pm
UT-Permian Basin is exploring D2 and D3 NCAA status.  They are currently NAIA-1 in the Red River Conference.

Natural rivalries in the D2 Lone Star Conference would be Eastern New Mexico, Angelo State, Abilene Christian and West Texas State.  Even Midwestern State is only 5 hours away.

Does the ASC-West wish to add another program, a state program at that, in this part of the country?  When does UT-PB add football?  That would create great disparity and erode the West Texas base for SRSU, McM, HSU and HPU even more.

http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_events/association_news/ncaa_news_online/2005/09_26_05/association_wide/4220n11.html
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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 28, 2005, 03:03:59 pm
If anyone cares, my vote is a resounding "HELL NO"!!!!!!   8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 28, 2005, 03:47:01 pm
Did you say erode HSU's talent base?!? ::)

Let me think . . . . . . . . . . .

NO!

(and yes, I was yelling that. :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 28, 2005, 03:51:47 pm
I think it would be a great thing for west texas to have another school to choose.  It would be rough for them at the beggining, but look at UMHB.  They did ok.
Roo
No one called you a novice.  I respect your position as a director of athletics and probably will never understand the demands of that kind of job.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 28, 2005, 03:54:03 pm
UTPB wouldn't erode the HSU talent base.  Young men come to HSU for a reason.  They dont have it at UTPB.  Not many do.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 28, 2005, 04:06:22 pm
I think the issue is more philosophical than that, Tim.  State schools competing against private schools in the same environment creates an inheirently unfair situation.  Look at last year's ASC baseball results for further proof.

Just MHO, here, but I still think that DII was created specifically for the UT-PB's of the world.  There are just too many institutional differences between publics and privates for them to coexist peacefully on a regular basis when it comes to athletics.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on September 28, 2005, 04:16:24 pm
I know many athletes at HSU that left bigger programs (d2 d1) to come play at HSU.  I beleive HSU attracts hard workers. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 28, 2005, 04:20:12 pm
Agreed--just remember this ins't a football-only issue. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 28, 2005, 05:06:15 pm
Agreed--just remember this ins't a football-only issue.

Josh,

You mean there is something outside of football ???

Really ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on September 28, 2005, 06:11:31 pm
This same issue of publics vs. privates is currently being debated on the NWC site with the shutting down of the Lewis & Clark program.  Apparently the presidents of the current NWC schools are against adding state schools there even if it hurts their AQ status.  Might be a good idea to keep up with that discussion as well !
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 28, 2005, 07:04:18 pm
There is a huge issue of tuition.  I know the private schools lose players every year because of financial reasons.  The cost at a state school is much less.  Being in far west Texas hurts Sul Ross and might to the same for UTPB.  However, UT Tyler is in a talent rich environment.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2005, 07:12:40 pm
There is a huge issue of tuition.  I know the private schools lose players every year because of financial reasons.  The cost at a state school is much less.  Being in far west Texas hurts Sul Ross and might to the same for UTPB.  However, UT Tyler is in a talent rich environment.

The CNU effect ... which doesn't seem to be working as well this year.   ;D

It is funny, though, that for all their advantages (and I agree that public schools have a huge $$ advantage), we haven't seen a public school win the Stagg Bowl since 1995, and only twice since the Stagg came about in 1973.  And if you look at the schools that do well in the NACDA directors' cup, only 3 of the top 20 were state schools (UWSP [5], UWLaX [7], Cortland State [13]).   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2005, 09:23:50 pm
That's actually lower than average. About 25% of Division III schools are state schools.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 28, 2005, 10:15:00 pm
The Texas State Legislature has considered additional tuition subsidies for Angelo State and Sul Ross State, because the extra capacity at those 2 schools and the variable cost of adding students to fill that capacity at an economical price point is less expensive than building more capacity at a Texas A&M, a Texas State or some other campus.

A few years ago, I had imagined the ASC splitting into 8-team West and East conferences for all sports other than Football. 

U-Dallas left us for independent status after spring 2001.

In 2001, Texas Wesleyan in Ft Worth was joining in the East.

Texas Wesleyan moved from D2 thru the ASC into the NAIA as quickly as it could.

IMHO, UT-Tyler apparently filled a strategic need and was added in 2003.  (But they have the facilities that are more like D2.  And if they add football, they need to move to the Lone Star Conference.)

We heard of the possible move of Mississippi College to D2.  As one looks at the Gulf Coast Conference, it makes some geographic sense.

We now see the exploratory movement of UT-Permian Basin from the NAIA to the NCAA.

I would love to see 2 conferences to increase the AQ bids.  Experts say that we need about 20 schools to break into 2 conferences.  I don't see it happening anytime soon.  The more glaring weakness is on the east.  What schools might join the East?  What schools are ASC-like with 5 men's and 5 women's programs on the East?  SAGU in Waxahachie?  U-Dallas hasn't come back.  I don't see any schools in Arkansas coming to D3.  Or Louisiana.  Or Oklahoma.  Or Northwood Institute in the southwest Dallas county town of Cedar Hill?   Or College of the Southwest in Hobbs, New Mexico which would need to add men's and women's basketball to join the West?   That is 5-7 years away!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 29, 2005, 11:04:59 am
I've meant to provide some observations for you all from this past weekend's MAC game between Delaware Valley and Lycoming, but haven't been able to get to it before now.  Keep in mind these are only my opinions.  Here goes:

Lycoming
Look to be rebuilding.  Quarterback is a position that needs some seasoning.  Incumbent doesn't have a strong arm at all.  RB's and OL look to be decent size, but lacking in the same type of speed the ASC has.  WR's tall but suffer from QB play.

Defensively, the Warriors have good size up front and in the secondary, but are a bit undersized at the LB position.  Overall defensive team speed is lacking a bit, too.  FS #31 is a pretty good player and a tough competitor, though.


Delaware Valley

QB is not as good as folks in the East would like you to think.  Questionable decision-making and happy feet.  Arm is strong, but relies on arm strength too much.  Yardage seems to come as a result of the abundance of attempts he gets.  OL is quite possibly the biggest I've seen in DIII, but they seem to struggle executing their blocks sometimes.  RB's are about average size and speed-wise for DIII level, as are WR's.  Overall offensive team speed is average to below-average, IMO.

Defensively, the Aggies are aggressive and big up front.  DL and LB's are emotional and really fly around--though they're a touch on the slow side, too.  Secondary seemed to have decent quickness but is a bit undersized--and looked confused in coverage multiple times.  A better QB and WR combo would have been able to take much greater advantage of this than Lycoming did.

As far as on-field conduct goes, this seems to be a rather spirited and undisciplined bunch, as well.  Coaching staff seems to approve of the team's conduct, and urges it on.  I personally think DVC is accurately ranked somewhere between #7 and #13.

Again, my observations and opinions, but wanted to share since many of you all won't see anybody from outside of Texas/LA/MS until the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on September 29, 2005, 04:21:05 pm
Here is the write up for the LC-McMurry game this weekend on LC's website:

http://www.lacollege.edu/athletics/news/2005/2005-09/2005-09-29_football.html

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on September 30, 2005, 12:57:30 pm
I do not see how SR can recruit anyone....Maybe some people like the isolated beauty that Alpine offers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 30, 2005, 01:54:07 pm
jmnaseum,  There was a time when Sul Ross was in the Lone Star Conference and they did very well recruiting.  I would think it would be easier if they gave scholarships to get players to come to Alpine.  It is beautiful, but you can't get there from anywhere.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on September 30, 2005, 03:41:26 pm
I am very impressed with the LC writeup on their game with McM.  Their description of McM's team is very accurate.  The SID/AD for LC did A OK (is that enough abbreviations.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2005, 04:12:02 pm
jmnaseum,  There was a time when Sul Ross was in the Lone Star Conference and they did very well recruiting.  I would think it would be easier if they gave scholarships to get players to come to Alpine.  It is beautiful, but you can't get there from anywhere.

It would be easier, but it would not be Division III :) 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 30, 2005, 06:50:43 pm
Ron, how true. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2005, 08:41:23 pm
Which is why SRSU has been a member of this conference since its formation as the non-scholarship TIAA in 1976, along with McMurry, Austin College, Tarleton State and Trinity.

The ASC in 1976 is the TIAA, D2 Mississippi College, Lone Star Conference (NAIA-1) Howard Payne (in a decade when the LSC won NAIA-1 1969, '70, '72-'79), Texas Lutheran, who was NAIA-2 National Champs in 1974 and 1975 and non-football playing HSU, ETBU, UMHB and Louisiana College. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 30, 2005, 10:08:20 pm
WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?

I haven't posted in over a day and I've dropped four karma points!

F whoever is doing that #@&$!   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2005, 10:16:45 pm
I found an NCAA Record Book notation that lists the dates that football was added dropped or resumed since 1950.


http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/football_records_book/2002/451-453a.pdf
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 30, 2005, 10:20:34 pm
Josh -- There.  :-* Feel better? ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 30, 2005, 11:18:43 pm
The nice thing, and I suppose the bad thing, about karma points is that when they change, they change on all posts.

Sorry for your loss Josh. :'(

 ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2005, 05:50:11 am
I found this old ASC web site that has the 1997 season on it.

Look who everyone is playing!

The Georgetown that MC played is NAIA in Kentucky.

And yes, SRSU played HSU, McM and HPU twice that year.

http://www.mcm.edu/asc/Football/97season.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on October 01, 2005, 08:20:01 am
Here is the articel that appeared in The Town Talk this morning about the LC-McMurry game:


http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051001/SPORTS/510010355/1006
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2005, 12:05:24 pm
cgmatch, that is a good article.  The Town Talk does a good job of covering LaCollege sports.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 12:39:06 pm
HPU QB Adam Johnson was named regional player of the week (http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spt/colleges/othertexas/stories/100105dnsporegplayer.209b0104.html) by the Dallas Morning News.  Better late than never, I guess!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 01, 2005, 08:29:29 pm
HSU played pretty well today.  I had talked to some of the players earlier in the week and they told me practice had been a little shakey all week.  Had trouble completing passes among other things.  Offensively Jordy played well.  Didnt make any big mistakes.  If he got trouble he either ran the ball or threw it away.  Also no interceptions this game.  First time all year and the penalties were also limited.  Running game struggled a but today at times but they did get the yards needed.  Defensively, D-line was wrekin fools.  From big hits to helmets being kicked around.  Secondary allowed a few passes by them but i thought the front seven played really well. 
HPU was out of it before the game started.  Im not talking physically but mentally.  The couch crew was in their head before the game even started.  The couch crew is successful when the players are talking to them instead of warming up.  this something Ive noticed even as a player about them.  They always seem to worry about other things instead of a rivalry game.  if you want to call it that.  Also an incident in the 4th quarter that made me laugh.  HSU is running a play on the goalline and one of the players is jawing with a fan in the endzone,  news flash, you will not win a conference championship with players like this. 
Overall well done Cowboys, celebrate tonight and be ready on Monday time for a Lobo.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 01, 2005, 10:18:50 pm
Thanks, minni!

Enjoyed your recap!

Go Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on October 01, 2005, 11:22:22 pm
I was in Belton this weekend visiting with crualum39 and attended the UMHB game.  What can I say except dominating.  I must admit after seeing to MC/HSU score I did not know what to think (what with the weather and all).  Special teams (especially punt returns) were awesome.  The MC punter averaged 45 yds per punt but punted straight down the middle everytime.  When the wind was behind him, he outkicked the coverage and boy did P. J. Williams take advantage of that.  NCAA and ASC records were 285 yards and two TD's and the longest two punts in ASC history of 87 and 80 yards.  UMHB also had a great fake punt in first half to set up a score. 

The reason for all the punts was the UMHB defense.  Out of 17 possessions, MC went three and out 12 times.  The remaining five possessions were 9 plays/49 yards, 9/52, 6/19, 5/11, and 2/12.  These five possessions ended in three punts, a fumble and the last possession of two plays was at the end of the game.  MC had    one yard rushing and 196 yards passing.  139 of their total yards came on seven plays.

UMHB offense was predominantly rushing again (64 attempts, 461 yards, 5 td's and 7.2 yds/attempt) although Padron was 6-11 for 102 yards and two TD's. Great job by the Crusaders !!

As far as my 'Roos,  jmnaseum may have been right but I haven't given up hope.  I plan to go to Homecoming in two weeks and will get my first real look of the year.  From the outside, it appears that the defense has been playing well for them, but it sure sounds like they are hurting on offense.  Maybe they can find something that works and still upset somebody.   :)

Go Roos !!  Go Cru !!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 02, 2005, 12:24:47 am
I was glad to hear HSU played well.  I also had some concern expressed over some rough looking practice time.  Jordy and crew did a good job congrats!  3 more weeks til the big game and everyone's record needs to be x-0!

Also, great job CRU!  See ya'll in Abi Tex in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 02, 2005, 09:43:17 am
Here's a link to Killeen Daily Herald story about the UMHB-MC game.  By all accounts that I've read, the team looked rusty in the first half, but managed to be up big because of special teams and defense.  PJ Williams performance certainly was impressive.  I wonder if he's still cleaning buildings on campus as his worl study job?

http://www.kdhnews.com/sports_5.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 02, 2005, 10:19:34 am
Why would MC keep kicking the ball to PJ?  As far as looking rusty, I don't think off weeks really help a team very much.  When you prepare all week and then don't get to play is a huge let down.  I'll be in Brownwood next week to see the CRU. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 02, 2005, 11:10:26 am
Bill,

I'm supposed to be helping out in Stanford doing flood clean up, but if those plans change I will too.  It's only an hour and half away.  I'll let you know if I make it.  I'd like to meet the people I meet on here.  If not, I'm probably going to be helping out with the HSU-UMHB tailgate.  (I offered the use of my yard/house if necessary).  Maybe I can meet up with you and some of the others from the board there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on October 02, 2005, 08:15:17 pm
P.J. had a great game on saturday. I was very impressed with the defense. MC only had 1 yard rushing. MC punted the ball 14 times. That is a pretty impressive performance. The special teams played to their potential. The offense looked a little rusty but got the job done. Overall I think when a team wins 61-0 and their offense looks rusty is very scary. I know the guys are very excited about playing HPU and their UMHB transfer they have playing runningback. I think it will be another impressive performance by the defense. Expecially the D-Line. mhb8904 im sure he is.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 03, 2005, 02:15:42 am
Yes P.J. still has a work study job buffing the floors in the mabee center at night. i see him tues. and thrus. nights when i'm leaving classes. looks like something in that line of work makes you good at running fast. coach fred sure didn't sound like he was happy with their performance so i'm sure they won't come out looking as rusty next week. i'm also sure that they won't throw half as many passes in the first three series as they did this week. at the beginning of the game it looked like the cru had abandoned their running game, and i really wasn't sure who that was on the feild but it wasn't much of a crusader offense.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 03, 2005, 03:25:06 am
Crukid,

I met PJ for the first time on a Monday night.  He was buffing the carpet, working hard, and I was waiting for class to start.  I had no idea that he was a football player or even a student for that matter, but as we talked, I found out he was an athlete and student.  I thought he was a bball player for a long time because he kind of looks like one, boy am I glad he's a football player. ;D

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 03, 2005, 08:58:17 am
Just my opinion, here, but...

I'm not so keen on discussing specific financial aid packages any kid, from any DIII college is getting on these boards--even passing references to it.  It seems a bit disrespectful to the kid, for starters--I mean, would you want someone writing about your financial aid package in a public forum?  Not to mention that discussing it is also very close to encroaching upon some issues the NCAA and member institutions consider very private stuff. 

It also opens up a whole can-'o-worms that a lot of people don't understand or know a lot about.  And that could easily lead to questions and accusations that are baseless.  Better that we just don't go there in the first place.

Just my humble .02 here, but it seems like this is a subject that might be inappropriate for discussion in this forum.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 03, 2005, 09:57:03 am
I understand what your saying josh, and i agree.  my intent wasn't a discussion of the financing of anyone.  i was just talking about the circumstances of meeting PJ.  Truthfully, I didn't and don't know if PJ's job was work study or work duty or just a job to help pay the bills.  What I know about PJ is that he used to play minor league baseball and decided to play football when he came to UMHB.  I don't know if he came to play or decided to play after coming.  My real point was that when I met him he was very unassuming and nondescript, and doing janitorial work at the school (it still makes me shrug when I think about him cleaning carpets with a floor buffer).  Very un-prima dona, very down to earth.  And much like Jordan Neal or any of the other players I've met or had classes with at DIII schools he is a good, solid, decent person who also happen to play football really well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 03, 2005, 10:02:04 am
Should also add much props for PJ based on his performance this past weekend.

http://d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=747
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 03, 2005, 10:43:07 am
Great game for PJ. :)....but like the person said above...Kick it out of bounds.........Heeeeelllllllooooooooooo oo MC kick it out of bounds. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 03, 2005, 11:20:04 am
In all fairness to MC, I think the two TD's were on the first two punts.  That's 166 yds on two touches.  You don't expect to get bit twice that quick.  However, if I got bit twice you can bet I wouldn't be trying to give the dog anything else to eat. ;D

The Killeen Daily Herald also notes in their article that the 278 yds was an all division record for the NCAA.  THe previous record was 277 yds from an Oklahoma Sooner in 2003.

http://kdhnews.com
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justin ollie on October 03, 2005, 11:30:09 am
What happened to HPU?  Did they kick all of their offensive line off the team and suit up some running backs with 50 and 60 numbers?  That is the smallest offensive line I have ever seen.  They did have one big boy who was as slow as the day is long.  I still cannot believe what I saw.  Terrible
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpudad on October 03, 2005, 11:44:12 am
I don't totally agree with the HSU/HPU recap that was posted earlier.  HPU was in the game at the start of the 4th quarter.  The score was 20-14 HSU.  HPU was playing a team that is ranked 4th or 5th in the country and was in the game that late.  If HSU is that good shouldn't they have been winning going away by then?  After all they were playing HPU, a team with a new coaching staff and new system.

Anyway I was impressed with the speed of the HSU defense.  Their defense is the teams strong point.  HSU has a nice stadium and campus.  I wish HPU would/could have similar facilities.

I was not impressed with the officiating at the game.  The officials missed multiple calls but hey that is sometimes the way the game goes.

Anyway Congrats to HPU on the win.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 03, 2005, 01:13:33 pm
According to the ASC website, HSU led HPU 24-7 at the start of the fourth quarter. 

HPU scored a TD w/ roughly 12 minutes to go to close to 24-14, but then Jared May ran the ensuing kickoff back 80 yards to make it 31-14.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/stats-football/f1001c.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 03, 2005, 01:57:40 pm
Isn't it funny how a good team is supposed to win by so many points?  It is not good enough to just win the game, but it has to be by 21 or by 35 points for it to be a good win.  That is crazy!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on October 03, 2005, 03:19:40 pm
Hey,  our McM win against LaCollege was horrible, in a game filled with turnovers, penalties, and missed PATs, and it took double overtime before we managed to do it; but is anybody at McMurry complaining we only won by six points or that our defense looked like butter until they finally stopped LC in the second overtime on fourth down?   For all its sloppiness, this may be the game people here remember the most from the whole season once everything is over.  If both teams had played better, the result would have been a technically better game, but the Abilene paper never would have called it a "thrilling" one the next day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpudad on October 03, 2005, 03:29:57 pm
I stand corrected about the score.  I remember only being down by 10 in the 4th quarter and thinking HPU could still be in the game.

Yea, a team that is ranked in the top 5 in the country should be taking a team that only has 1 win and a new coaching staff and system to the woodshead.  Would you expect Univ of Texas to take Missouri to the woodshead, oh wait that happened.   HSU did not show that they were a top 5 team until the 4th quarter.  If they play against UMHB like they did against HPU I think they will be handed a loss but that is three weeks away.

But I'm new to DIII Football and guess my opinion may not mean much to some but that is OK.

I do beleive HPU is experiencing some growing pains.  The Coaching staff is trying to change to a more balanced offense but the team that is at HPU was built for the spread and passing attack.  It will take a couple of years for the transformation to take place.  I see HPU going 5-5 or possibly(outside chance) 6-4 in Coach Redwine's first year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on October 03, 2005, 03:32:39 pm
Hey a win is a win, I remeber last year when TLU had the same dogfight with LC, it is fun to watch even if the football is ugly. LC can put some points on the board that's for sure, I hope TLU can play some defense this time around. They are getting depleted in the receiving corps because of injury, luck would have it that this is one of the positions that they are very deep at, however they are also punt and kick off people also. TLU is an improved team this year so the rest of the year should be interesting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2005, 03:33:02 pm
Yea, a team that is ranked in the top 5 in the country should be taking a team that only has 1 win and a new coaching staff and system to the woodshead.

One win, but you've only played four games and two of them are against Top 15 teams. That stat is a little misleading, don't you think?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2005, 05:05:36 pm
Quote
...Yea, a team that is ranked in the top 5 in the country should be taking a team that only has 1 win and a new coaching staff and system to the woodshead....

But I'm new to DIII Football and guess my opinion may not mean much to some but that is OK.

hpudad, welcome to D3 and the ASC!  HSU-McM, HPU-McM and HSU-HPU are very strong rivals and I never consider any outcome to be unusual.  In 2002, a winless McM had  HSU down 6-0 going into the 4th Qtr. :)

Many HPU alums would probably consider a win over HSU in 1-9 a record to be a good start at rebuilding.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 03, 2005, 06:54:40 pm
hpudad,

Although Pat is correct in calling our attention to the "competition" that HPU has faced, I see nothing wrong with your analysis/comments.

Take Mount Union, for example, they have no trouble with lopsided scores year in and year out.
Also, this year---compare UMHB/MC (61-0) vs. HSU/MC (14-0). (Which would you consider the stronger, UMHB or HSU?  Answer = obvious!  Even considering the weather in MS.)  Now, this is not to say that UMHB will beat HSU...too many factors to say so!  We'll see in a couple weeks.

As RT said, "Welcome."  Don't worry about saying anything wrong on these boards.  :(   You'll be corrected quickly! ;D

Just take it in stride...everyone's viewpoint is appreciated.  Go ASC!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 03, 2005, 08:48:59 pm
As a 4 1/2 year McM supporter, a win, any win is a good win and I really don't care if it was ugly football.  The football gods have finally seen the light and let McM win a close one.
I think the team is finally gaining some confidence that can be carried forward for the rest of this year and into the future.  We should only be big underdogs against 2 teams (HSU and MHB) and one of them is against the cross town rival and will have to play well to take care of this team (yeah I know that McM has lost several hundred in a row against them but McM usually plays them tough).
The ASC seems much better balanced this year with HSU & MHB being the class of the conference with TLU just behind.  The remaining 7 teams appear to be pretty closely bunched.
Turnovers, penalties and special teams will determine how well McM finishes the year and McM needs to improve in all these categories, but I am loving being 3 and 1.  Heck with another thrilling victory the Abilene paper may even write something about us.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 03, 2005, 08:59:24 pm
hpudad,

Although Pat is correct in calling our attention to the "competition" that HPU has faced, I see nothing wrong with your analysis/comments.

Take Mount Union, for example, they have no trouble with lopsided scores year in and year out.
Also, this year---compare UMHB/MC (61-0) vs. HSU/MC (14-0). (Which would you consider the stronger, UMHB or HSU?  Answer = obvious!  Even considering the weather in MS.)  Now, this is not to say that UMHB will beat HSU...too many factors to say so!  We'll see in a couple weeks.

As RT said, "Welcome."  Don't worry about saying anything wrong on these boards.  :(   You'll be corrected quickly! ;D

Just take it in stride...everyone's viewpoint is appreciated.  Go ASC!!!

This is what makes the board fun.  Although I disagree with dsc on his analysis of scores against teams.  I have been watching football for too long to guess that one team is better than another because one team beat a common opponent by so many points more than the other team.  (Not really sure that dsc said that either).  But too many things factor in to that. 

I also say welcome to the board.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 03, 2005, 10:53:55 pm
hpudad,

you are entitled to your opinion of the game and I voiced mine.  We played 60 min. of football and we handed you a loss.  Whether we beat you by 1 or 100 we beat you.  Some call it a rivalry but me personally, it has lost some luster from 5 years ago when I was in my freshmen year.  If you think you were in the game in the 4th quarter im sorry to tell you, you weren't.  Ill say it again, when your players are more worried about the fans rather than whats going on between the stripes, there is something wrong.  Your comments are welcome. 

Thanks for the compliments on the facilities.  I was once a student worker who helped paint the field and mow around the campus we do take pride in the 40 acres, especially Shelton Stadium.

My other issue is this.  Why do the HSU Fans wait so freakin long to get to the game.  I oftern wondered this as a player.  Before the game we would run out on the field and it was like they were empty and when kickoff roles around they begin to fill up.  I noticed this also on saturday.  As I sat in the endzone, i looked up and some of the people asked that very question.  Maybe some fans can fill me in.  Sorry for the rambling!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 03, 2005, 11:17:24 pm
hpudad,

I rest my case... ;)

dsc
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 03, 2005, 11:23:02 pm
Minni,

I had the same question about the fans at HSU at the playoff game with UMHB last year, but I just chalked it up to being thanksgiving weekend at first.  By the end of the game though, the stands were fairly full.  I was mystified, but then again, I don't understand leaving the game early if you're getting blown out or blowing someone else out.  I'm a fan and fans stay until the bitter end.  I hated sitting through the drubbing HSU gave us in conference last year, but I watched every agonizing minute and still had a 3 hr drive back to Abilene.  At the end though I was there singing the school song.  Conversely I thoroughly enjoyed the playoff game, and again I was there until the very end.  To me that is fandom, but i guess most people aren't fans as much as they enjoy the social aspects of going.

Case in point, I have a friend who is an HSU dorm director that doesn't really like football.  This year this friend is in a fantasy league, doesn't really know anything about his team, and is winning.  Why is he playing and interested, not because he is a fan, but because he can taunt true fans.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPUSPATS on October 04, 2005, 12:19:37 am
Hey Justin,
   Yes, HPU's offensive line is on the small side...however, if you will do some research, you will see that one of those, #60. received all conference last year as a sophmore...and at least they look good in spats
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 04, 2005, 12:24:54 am
ok a comment on the SPATS.  I saw the spats HPU players had and they were terrible.  Yall need to work on those.  You look good, you play good.  As the HSU receiving core.  They have the true SPATS.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 04, 2005, 12:29:22 am
Minni,

I can't speak for everyone, but I can tell you that if I would love to be sitting in the stands a couple of hours before game time.  However, the last two home games I was one of the late fans that showed up just prior to kick-off.  I have two reasons for this.  #1 - it is extremely HOT in the stands to be sitting there staring at an empty football field waiting for the teams to run onto the field and #2 - The food and drink in the parking lot at the tailgates is worth giving up the heat for.   Don't get me wrong...at Stevens Point I had to wait for the ticket office to open so I could get in.  I didn't think that lady would ever show up.  And as the weather hopefully cools off a little, I can see getting to my seat a little earlier.

As far as HPU being in the game in the 4th quarter, I really didn't think the game seemed that close but I guess I can see how some may have felt that way.  I think the HSU coaching staff has a pretty good feel for the tempo of the game and when a game is under control and I appreciate the fact that they concern themselves with showing respect to the opposing players and coaches.  This win would not have counted any more if the score was 60-20.  However, I am pretty confident that should they have needed to crank up the 'O' a bit, they still had plenty of gas in the tank.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 04, 2005, 12:55:47 am

 However, the last two home games I was one of the late fans that showed up just prior to kick-off. 

key words, prior to kick off.  Everyone understands a good tailgate.  I think he was talking about large number of people who show up after the kickoff.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 04, 2005, 01:38:10 am
mhb8904,

"When the kick off roles around" doesn't really imply before or after the kick, but I'll give you that one.  It does seem like a lot of people come filing in after.  However, even a good tailgate wouldn't keep me out of the stands if it wasn't so stinking hot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 04, 2005, 02:02:10 am
Dont get me wrong I appreciate a good tailgate party(as I have My own in 3 Weeks)  and I appreciate every single fan that shows up for every game.  Im just perplexed on why everyone shows up so late (after Kickoff).  The field is not empty but for about 15 min prior to kickoff.  I know that for a fact.  The Cowboys take the field @ 1:01 Coach K time.  So they are on the field warming up exactly one hour before kickoff.  I and some other players were just observing and I guess curious as to why people show up so late.  Maybe a little pregame show or activity would help.  Im thinking maybe a raodtrip to Abilene in three weeks for the College Gameday Crew.  Wishful thinking I guess.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 04, 2005, 06:55:43 am
There really isn't a lot of things happening during warm up.  The action starts with the kickoff. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 04, 2005, 10:01:17 am
minni, you silly rabbit.  There's no rush.  HSU's gonna win and it is pretty hot just sittin in the sun.  So folks take their time getting out there.

Best GA in the land = Skids
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 04, 2005, 10:35:40 am
To me the opening kickoff sets the tone for the game and I hate to miss it!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 04, 2005, 11:06:49 am
Let me ask all former players this question.  As you run out onto the field, how does it feel to run out onto a field with stands that are full and lots of noise and cow bells vs. stands that are somewhat empty and a little noise.

I agree Skids is a top GA in America, but I think that is a two headed monster.  You wouldnt have Skids without the GB.  That tandum without a doubt is the top in the nation.

Oh and you more thing.  Couch crew needs to work on the noise level for 60 min. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 04, 2005, 01:00:19 pm
I was just called out by a prof reading this site for bad grammar and poor spelling.  He told me I had to apologize.  ;D So I read back through some of my posts and made a few corrections.  He was correct, but when you're trying to think through abscessed tooth pain one's grammar may be flawed.  So, sorry to anyone out there who cringed at the horror of my grammatical flailings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 04, 2005, 01:46:23 pm
mhb8904,

While I am all for proper grammar and spelling, from my understanding the 'net is all about communication. It is not an academic exercise. As long as those reading are able to discern the gist of what you are trying to communicate, your grammar - or lack thereof - will pass muster.

For those who desire pristine posts free of spelling faux pas, there are spell check programs you can down load that will proof most anything you write on the Internet. I use Spellbound. Its free and can be found at: http://spellbound.sourceforge.net/index.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpudad on October 04, 2005, 02:07:26 pm
While I was at the HPU/HSU game I noticed that there were spectators next to the endlines at both ends of the field.  This is the first time I had ever seen spectators that close to the field since Pop Warner/Little League days.  So I did a little bit of research and as I understand it spectators are not allowed with 12 feet of the side or endlines.  Is this true.  I got my information from the following link:

 http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2005/2005_football_rules.pdf

I looked at the Points of Emphasis, Sideline Control on Page 8, the diagram of the Field on Page 18, and Rule 1, Section 2, Article 3 a & b, which states "No person outside the team area shall be within the limit lines."

Is this a correct interpretation on my part?  I am by no means a Football Offical and was wondering. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 04, 2005, 05:15:11 pm
At UMHB we have always had our students behind the end line. HSU has also been doing it for a long time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 04, 2005, 05:41:30 pm
UMHBalum-n-Catland

That's what I said, but you know how seminary profs are when it comes to writing.  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 04, 2005, 05:47:16 pm
UMHB and HSU students make a lot of noise.  I think it makes a great atmosphere.  Hope a lot of the UMHB fans make it to Brownwood for HPU and to Abilene in a few weeks for HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 04, 2005, 06:53:17 pm
umhb8904--

Tell nabhi that we miss him in here, and that I missed him in Abilene.  Maybe if there's a game over Thanksgiving...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 04, 2005, 08:04:44 pm
hpudad,
Dont know the rule, didnt know the rule existed.  Before the game we as spectators were asked to back up some and we backed up to where the referee told us to move to.  Im not sure about the playoffs, and maybe some UMHB fans can help but they set out do not cross signs, or something like that.  But as far as the regular season, the referee's and the NCAA seem to be a little lax with that stuff.  Still i think whether we are 12 or 2 feet the players still hear what is being said.  I do know for a fact that the couch crews of both HSU and UMHB do not exist during the playoffs.  Some rule about noise makers in the playoffs or something queer like that.  It just takes away from the atmosphere to me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on October 04, 2005, 08:32:33 pm
minni -- Doesn't the NCAA rule have to do with artificial noisemakers? Maybe if we all ate plenty of bean burritos at La Popular before the game . . . Well, the noisemakers would be "natural" and it would add the "atmosphere" you like. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 04, 2005, 09:46:50 pm
I have seen referees inforce the rule only when opposing coaches complain.  Teams come to Stormy Shelton Stadium (HSU) and the couch crew is annoying.  If coaches complain the refs will move 'em back, but not totally off.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 04, 2005, 10:28:14 pm
The carne asada burritos at La Popular are better, baddog!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 05, 2005, 07:48:37 am
What's the thought on TLU - ETBU?  Is ETBU the team of 2 years ago?  I thought TLU wouldn't lose another game going into HSU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on October 05, 2005, 09:01:46 am
TLU has a good chance to run the table until the last game, they have the talent and hopefully the hunger. They are getting bit by the injury bug a little though. I don't think that ETBU is the team of 2 years ago yet, however I think they are getting better. TLU has to go into ETBU's house and be hungry and ready to play or their season could backslide. You gotta walk the walk as well as talk the talk. I know this will start a big stink but I don't think it is not out of the realm of possibility for TLU to knock off HSU at home IF they go undeated up to that game. Let the hits begin from HSU supporters.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on October 05, 2005, 09:03:45 am
Here is an article on LC's Desmond Pittman from today's The Town Talk.  He spent all last year on the practice squad and constanly made plays on the defense.  I am glad to see him doing good for himself, and for the wildcats.....

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051005/SPORTS/510050322/1006
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 05, 2005, 09:33:15 am
im not going to hit you hard, but just know coach k will have the boys ready especially if they win against UMHB.  coming to your house undeafeted, oh yea the cowboys will show up, you better believe that.  you have you opinion and i have mine, nah this year is still not the year of the bulldogs, not yet.  go boys!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on October 05, 2005, 09:53:46 am
Love the word if in your post minni.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 05, 2005, 10:40:02 am
It would depend on the UMHB game.  If HSU beats UMHB, TLU wont have a chance.  The cowboys would be riding a high that would take them deep into the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 05, 2005, 02:49:31 pm
Very nice article about Willamette coach Mark Speckman on the front page of today's edition of USA Today.  Pat references it on the front page, but here's a link if you'd like to check it out:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2005-10-04-willamette-speckman_x.htm

Thought it might be of special interest to the UMHB fans who have played the Bearcats each of the last two years.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 05, 2005, 03:25:55 pm
well after last year as a player I have learned to take it one week at a time.  You cant get the cart before the horse. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 05, 2005, 03:34:07 pm
Minni-

We have never been asked to move back.  We always stay about 5 yards from the back of the endzone. However, this last weekend with Mississippi college visiting the ref actually asked us to quiet down so Miss. could get the play off. At that point we could not use the artificial noise makers until the ball was snapped.  I was informed by Coach Fredenburg that they QB must go through a sequence in order for the ref to tell us to quiet down. Also, during the playoffs you are not allowed to have artificial noisemakers, just your hands, voice, and boots. I don't know if UMHB would allow students on the ground for a playoff game. We might be put in the stands behind where the couch cru normally is. However, just b/c we can't have artificial noise makers at the game doesn't stop us from yelling.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 05, 2005, 03:34:58 pm
I spoke with Coach Speckman a year ago when I was looking for a job.  He was straight forward and I respected him for that.  I should have taken that job.  But no complaints.  I am happy where I'm at.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2005, 01:16:26 am
To the Sul Ross fan that just, for the second time in two weeks, attempted to register for the site with the fake e-mail address "sulross@sulross.com":

Please stop.

I thought the registration instructions and terms of service were pretty clear. You have to use a valid e-mail address.

To the rest of the board, sorry for the interruption.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on October 06, 2005, 11:17:01 am
was the last team to beat HSU in conference-- Sul Ross?  (Besides UMHB last year)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 06, 2005, 11:22:36 am
No.  Howard Payne in 2002.  51-48.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 06, 2005, 11:45:35 am
UMHB beat HSU 43-36 in 2003 in Abilene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 06, 2005, 11:47:15 am
Don't underestimate TLU.  They were much better than I anticipated against UMHB.  Their lines are big and strong.  They will be a lot better by the end of the year.  Can they beat HSU?  Maybe.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 11:57:43 am
Don't underestimate TLU.  They were much better than I anticipated against UMHB.  Their lines are big and strong.  They will be a lot better by the end of the year.  Can they beat HSU?  Maybe.

It'll be an interesting game if TLU wins out.   If memory serves, HSU destroyed them last year under similar circumstances, but that was at home and not in Seguin.   Also, should HSU's injury trend continue, it could make a difference.  They're deep, but no matter how deep you are you want your best players in there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 06, 2005, 01:17:11 pm
Speaking of injuries...

Any update out of Abilene RE:  the status of Quentin Jones?  Also noticed that Mychal Carrillo isn't on the two-deep.  Is he out injured?

Updates always appreciated.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 01:21:23 pm
Some bad news for TLU on the injury front, courtesy of the San Antonio Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA100605.8C.LOCarea.report.173c976d.html)

Texas Lutheran football: Wide receiver Chris Edwards is out for the season with a knee injury, a school official said. Edwards hurt his knee against McMurry two weeks ago.

Also, receiver Coy Schneider is questionable for this week's game at East Texas Baptist. He took a hard hit on a punt return last weekend against Austin College.


That's a lot of hurt for a team that does most of its damage through the air:

RECEIVING       GP  No.  Yds   Avg  TD Long Avg/G
-------------------------------------------------
Jason Trahan     4   16  484  30.2   5   95 121.0
Coy Schneider   4   14  233  16.6   1   35  58.2
Chris Edwards   3   13  161  12.4   0   33  53.7

Darrell White      4   11  141  12.8   3   27  35.2
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 06, 2005, 02:14:39 pm
Q is frustrated, but he will be fine.  We spoke today and its just something that is taking longer than he wants it to.  We also have Brad Clark, if you havent seen him play I would advise you he wears number 9 and reminds me of a number 9 in recent memories, and also Thurston Ashley, or T-ash whichever you prefer, who clocked around a 4.25 40-yd dash.  Throw the wreckin ball they call Q in there and watch out now.

Da' Boys by 50 this weekend.  Yep thats right I said it, 50!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 06, 2005, 02:25:47 pm
I've seen them all play, Brad.   Lest you forget, you can check out my photo gallery:

http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=295

(And order some prints while you're at it.  It supports this site)

50 seems like a bit of an overstatement, don't you honestly think?  Coach K doesn't really play that way....he'll pull off way before it gets that far out of hand. 

I mean, I expect a nice win for HSU, but saying that is not being very humble.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 06, 2005, 03:06:08 pm
lets not foget we did put 70-something up against them last year and we have hung 80 something up on the board on more than one occassion with Coach K at the helm.  You are right coach doesnt play like that but when you put guys in that dont normally play they will do whatever they can to score.  Example:  Ryan Hinojosa last week diving to score as a QB.  The young bucks, as I call them, will do whatever they can to put six on the board.  Maybe 50 is an overstatement but it is not out of the picture!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on October 06, 2005, 03:40:01 pm
Tlu is definitely suffered a little injury bug at the WR position, if there is a bright spot though is that they are very deep at that position and some of the young freshman will get a chance to step up, great recruiting year for TLU at WR. Concern is with Punt and Kick off returners, not as deep. Tlu is a little weaker (Stats) offensively but have a better defense this year (Stats). Hopefully they can win out and I know it will be a lot closer game in Seguin than it was last year in Abliene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on October 06, 2005, 04:53:09 pm
Here is a link to an article about LC's upcoming game against AC this weekend on LC's website:

http://www.lacollege.edu/athletics/news/2005/2005-10/2005-10-06_football.html


I think the Cats will finally get a "W" this weekend.  It will be thier home opener because their previous home opener against UMHB was cancelled.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2005, 10:16:21 am
"No pass-no play" article from the Reporter-News.


http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_fb_high_school/article/0,1874,ABIL_8001_4139559,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 07, 2005, 10:21:13 am
In reference to Coach Keeling putting big numbers on people.  Think about the kids getting into play.  You expect those thiord and fourth teamers to go easy when they dont get to play much.  Run the ball alot and throw very short passes, but those kids want to play well and get in the end zone.  If youre scared someone is going to run the score up on you than you better practice hard and get ready for the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justin ollie on October 07, 2005, 10:54:54 am
If you dont want somebody to run the score up on you get better and stop them.  Otherwise I dont want to hear it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2005, 02:22:14 pm
[sigh]

I assume that this is the same bravado that has led to too many games where HSU has well over 100 yards in penalties.

Shame you can't just kick somebody's ass without rubbing their face in it anymore.   :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 07, 2005, 02:23:08 pm
Justin and Sthrncwby,   That's the spirit.  I agree with you about the reserves playing when they get the chance and it is up to the other team to stop them.  There does come a time in a blowout when sportsmanship can take over and hold the score down.  As an example, Mack Brown could have run up the score against Rice, but he showed a lot of class and kept the score down while playing his reserves.  It can be done.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 07, 2005, 02:23:41 pm
Josh,  You nailed it on the head.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 07, 2005, 03:04:48 pm
Wanted to say hi to everyone.  I'm new to this posting thing, but i've been reading this sight for years. (What's up Mini) ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 07, 2005, 05:05:10 pm
Ok Josh im not sure what penelties have to do with anything.

Bill, 
Mack didnt embarass the Owls but he still beat them handily.  UMHB did it to LC last week.  You have no problem there do you?  All Im saying is da' boys are on the road.  Depth ability will be limited and the second string guys will get to play a lot tomorrow and I am going to go out on a limb and say that 80% of our second teamers could probably start @ different schools in the ASC.

Hey Cwbyfann,  I was in you neck of the woods last week.  Let me know when yall play at Shotwell.  I would love to come watch.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 07, 2005, 05:16:24 pm
I'd rather have someone like Mack Brown beat me than Mike Leach who scored 80 on Sam Houston.  I don't think Tech proved anything with that win.  UMHB scores a lot of points, but they aren't doing anything but running basic offensive plays.  Also, their defense and kicking game score.  There is a difference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2005, 07:12:25 pm
That was a reference to Justin's comment, Brad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on October 07, 2005, 10:11:47 pm
Bill -- Let me see if I understand your argument. When HSU swats a team it is running up the score. When UMHB does, it is simply running basic plays.
Interesting perspective.
Hardly fair, but interesting.
In the HSU games I have attended when there were blow-outs, it seemed that everyone except the cheerleaders (that's hyperbole) played. Oh, yes, and defense scored as did the kicking teams.
One problem very good teams -- such as both UMHB and HSU -- have is how to not run up the score while giving first and second teamers complete game experience to prepare/condition them for the close games and the playoffs when not as many subs will be available.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2005, 10:34:03 pm
I don't think that's what Bill was getting at at all.  My impression of his comment was that he didn't really think it was all that cool when UMHB wins by 50+ either.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on October 07, 2005, 10:48:05 pm
Josh -- Maybe, but look again at what he wrote. The "unsportsmanship" comment was in the context of a reference to HSU. He then defended UMHB's high scoring in the terms I referenced.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2005, 11:29:07 pm
Well, whatever he meant, winning by 35 is every bit as convincing as winning by 50.  Period.

I don't want the kids to go out there and give less than 100%--regardless of which string they're assigned to.  I just know that paybacks are a you-know-what, and you can beat somebody down without rubbing anybody's face in the dirt.

Act like you've been there before, I guess is what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 07, 2005, 11:46:13 pm
There does come a time in a blowout when sportsmanship can take over and hold the score down.  

I agree.  Maybe a good time for sportsmanship to take over would be when the score is 54-0 with the ball on the opponent's 27 yardline after blocking a punt and there is 01:40 remaining in the game.

      M 4-8  M22   Jonathan Russel punt 5 yards to the MC27, downed (blocked by Bla.
               Springston).


      U 1-10 M27   MARY HARDIN-BAYLOR drive start at 01:40 (4th).
      U 1-10 M27   Jarvis Thrasher rush for 2 yards to the MC25 (Cody Warner), PENALTY
                   UMHB holding 10 yards to the MC35.
      U 1-18 M35   1st and 18.
      U 1-18 M35   Adrian Turner rush for 4 yards to the MC31 (Cody Warner).
      U 2-14 M31   Jarvis Thrasher rush for 31 yards to the MC0, 1ST DOWN UMHB,
                   TOUCHDOWN, clock 00:41.
                   Joel Munoz kick attempt good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2005, 12:04:52 am
But where is Jarvis Thrasher on the the depth chart?

And which string of lineman was blocking for him? :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 08, 2005, 12:22:36 am
Bill,

With all due respect and far be it from me to take up for Mike Leach but Tech didn't beat Sam Houston by any more than UMHB beat MC.  Cody Hodges came out early and I believe Tech played 3 QBs in that game.

On the other hand, according to the UMHB web site, Andy Padron hit PJ Williams for a 22 yard touchdown pass with no time left on the clock in the 3rd quarter and they were already ahead by a 34 - 0 margin.  Then, ahead by a 54-0 margin, UMHB blocks a MC punt with less than 2:00 minutes left in the game.  UMHB starts their last drive with 1:40 on the clock and scores again with 41 seconds left in the game.  A lot of coaches would consider taking a knee to run the clock out.

I wasn't at the UMHB game and I'm sure I do not know the rest of the story but those appear to be some of the facts.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 08, 2005, 12:33:31 am
Ralph,

I'm not sure where Jarvis is on the depth chart but he had already scored earlier.  He was the leading rusher in the game.  I think the main point here is up 54-0 with 1:40 on the clock...what is the right thing to do?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 08, 2005, 04:28:51 am
ahhhh screw it all.  HSU Cowboys please beat whoever you play every week by 100 pts.  Im sick of all this bs.  If you can beat someone by 100 with third string players i dont care.  If you beat HSU with third string players by 100 then do it.  I dont care.  I dont care about Mike Leach and I sure as H*LL dont care about MAck Brown and the Longhorns.  I do care about the Cowboys and Coach K and them going out and wrekin face all over people.  So who cares whether you win by 1 or 100 just go out and mash their faces in it and play HSU football.  Sportsmanship to me is knockin people on their a*s and picking them up and doing it again on the very next play.  Coach K has always told us that the scoreboard is for the fans and people like us and as players we shouldnt even worry about what it says.  So basically take it how you want but to me it says go out and beat the holy h*ll out of people and everything takes care of itself.  No one seems to care when UMHB does it so why should us as HSU people care when we do it.  So tomorrow when we take the field dont get mad if we win by 50 or more.  Not saying we will but crap guys just go play unbelievably hard. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 08, 2005, 06:57:55 am
Personally, I don't care if HSU or UMHB does it, especially against a conference opponent.  As for Tech, there is a difference in beating down a school at a lower level of play than an in conference team that's just not as good, but I have to think that if you are Sam Houston 1)you know there is a possibility you might get plowed 2) Your playing the game to get an idea of where you stack up.  Props to SHSU. 

The problem with not running up the score in some cases with HSU and MHB is that the skill level is so different that to avoid it you have to go less than full speed and that always equals bad news.  I can see arguments that say throwing bombs in the fourth quarter when you're up by 50 is bad form, but if you're just running your offense and it happens, oh well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 08, 2005, 07:05:13 am
Temple Daily Telegram Article leading to today's UMHB-HPU game. 

http://www.temple-telegram.com/sports.php
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 08, 2005, 07:28:34 pm
guess we dont have to worry about that TLU HSU matchup anymore.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 08, 2005, 07:28:42 pm
Wow.  What a day!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 08, 2005, 07:46:07 pm
guess we dont have to worry about that TLU HSU matchup anymore.

...or how much HSU and UMHB will "run up" the scores! ::)

Just shows a team has to be ready EACH Saturday...and not look ahead.  Congrats to HPU and ETBU!

Looks like a great Homecoming weekend in Abilene next week! :-X
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on October 08, 2005, 07:51:14 pm
Great game HPU! Played the entire game and finished strong. Finally put it all together. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 08, 2005, 08:19:55 pm
According to the ETBU release, they defeated the "14th ranked TLU" Bulldogs.

14th ranked by whom?  I can only assume Don Hansen, but don't know.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 08:31:06 pm
Yes. But that doesn't mean they can promote it on our Web site. Thanks for the heads-up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 08, 2005, 08:35:23 pm
Didn't mean to get anybody in trouble...   :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 08:37:09 pm
Nah, just means I had some editing to do. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 08, 2005, 08:50:56 pm
Minni,

I think on the update site you had asked fans perspective on how HSU played HPU and how UMHB Played them.  HPU definitely played a more complete game against UMHB.  Against HSU they really didn't start the offense until the 3rd Qtr. 

As far as how both teams looked, UMHB didn't have Rollins in at running back today so that could have made a huge difference for their offense.  HSU easily has a better passing attack but UMHB's running game looks better this year.

As for the defense, HSU definitely hits a lot harder than UMHB but UMHB swarms to the ball and really pressured Adam Johnson the whole game. 

HPU had PJ Williams in check all day long today and really had him frustrated. 

It was a really good game and a classic to watch today.  Should be a very exciting game when HSU and UMHB get together. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on October 08, 2005, 09:11:04 pm
"What a day" is right!
Gotta give HPU their due.  Their history seems to show that they come out flat after the HSU game -- and have seemed to fold their tents if they lost to HSU. But not this season! Congrats to the Yellowjackets!
And kudos to ETBU, also. As big a surprise this year as they were in 2004.
As for the inaccuracy in the ETBU release, that's par for the course. Their releases and promos always have claimed that they were the "champs" two years ago, never mentioning the "tr-champs" thing. They did represent the ASC in the playoffs, but to imply that they were the sole champions is more than a bit misleading.
And didn't LC give AC quite to going away present? Congratulations to the Wildcats.
As for the HSU Cowboys -- way to go! I listened to the game at work and it sounds like the Marfa lights were at work once again and that the refs had some serious problems with spatial disorientation. Now, go get ready for ETBU! They are hungry and will be primed!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 08, 2005, 09:17:02 pm
I don't know if the game today was a good game and a classic to watch...

HPU played well and they should be proud, UMHB looked horrible and had two of their better (it's hard to say best in this situation) running backs on the sideline which is the heart of their offensive scheme...between dropped passes, overthrown passes, fumbled completions, poor blocking, poor execution of the option, bad running choices in the backfeild, bad db coverage, missed coverage, dropped interceptions, missed tackles, horrible pash rush when they needed it late, shanked punts, kickoffs out of bounds.....umhb did not look good to watch. I'm a big fan, a loyal fan. They showed very little team intensity and after the drive i had today i don't know if I really wanna make it in two weeks...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 08, 2005, 09:24:45 pm
Nobody recognized other teams in the releases about that year.  Do the UMHB and HSU rings have "tri champ" on it?  I doubt it.

Should be a fun game next week.  HSU always seems to play very well against us (i guess not just us but everyone)  They will be tough at home.

As far as misleading releases they are publicity for the school.  If they were just for giving info they wouldnt have stories they would just be stats.  The par for the course comment was a little uncalled for and a shot at a guy who works his butt off for ETBU.

Its not like he lead with ETBU BEATS OVERRATED TLU.  He stated the facts of the game and gave a recognized ranking.  Nobody gripes about Don Hansen when they are putting their players on all region teams. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 08, 2005, 09:28:57 pm
I guess i don't know what a good game is then...i figured with both teams scoring back and forth, defense's making big plays and causing turnovers, the offense's making big plays when needed and HPU coming back with a 93 yd drive to win the game, would constitute a pretty good game to watch? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 08, 2005, 09:33:08 pm
They're supposed to be fact-only press releases, etbualum.  Not op-ed pieces.

It did strike me as a bit self-serving for a team that, while 4-0 in the ASC, has won those four games by a combined 17 points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 09:33:58 pm
Nobody recognized other teams in the releases about that year.

And that is pretty much par for the course. You don't have to say tri-champs -- most conference treat all champions the same.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on October 08, 2005, 09:39:02 pm
ETBUalum -- No cheap shot intended. Just the truth.
I don't know what is on the 2003 HSU rings, but here's a quote from an HSU release in August 2004:
"The Cowboys return 16 starters from a team that was tri-champions of the American Southwest Conference last season. HSU was 8-2 a year ago."
Says "tri-champions," doesn't it? So don't give me that "everybody does it" garbage.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 08, 2005, 09:41:36 pm
Good God--how bad is Macalester?  Losing 33-0 at the half to a team that has already played a game today!

And to think I thought NW would be tired in this game and the Scots would have a chance! 

Sheesh, me thinks that game is about to get a whole lot uglier.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on October 08, 2005, 09:43:57 pm
I am going to agree with dballa, the UMHB vs HPU was a great game. Of course it wasn't a great game for UMHB they lost. I expected more from UMHB than what I saw during the game. UMHB was more effective running straight at HPU, which they got away from then the option attack, and couldn't really throw the ball at all. UMHB had one pass thrown that would have been an HPU td but was dropped by a HPU DB. UMHB had a chance to put the game away on HPU's 7 with 1:15 left to go but couldn't convert, field goal was an option in that situation also. I don't think there defense is as good as HSU's but I'm sure things will be different for that game. HPU played a great game and I just hope they play like this for the entire season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 08, 2005, 09:54:12 pm
how bad is Macalester?  Losing 33-0 at the half to a team that has already played a game today!



Josh, can you (or anyone) explain to me what went on with the "double-header"...NW, Macalester, et al?

Same team play both games...like an "A" and "B" team or what?  Why would they do that?  etc...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 08, 2005, 10:00:18 pm
The release that D3football gets from ETBU is the same release all the news outlets get.  It is what it is dont read them if you dont like the writing style.  I would bet most SID's submit the same things.  Call it self serving call it what you want.  Last week HSU and UMHB were getting talked about for winning by too much and this week it ETBU for not winning by enough.  I guess you cant win either way.  Nobody is saying we deserved to be ranked or considered with the top teams, just that weve beaten teams each week and gotten better.  Hopefully we will do the same next week.

As a radio broadcaster from Dallas says

At the end of the season its not how its how many.

Baddog  If I had the time I am sure I  could find somewhere that HSU didnt reference it as a tri championship and I could probably find one that ETBU did.  So I guess we will just have to disagree about that one.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 08, 2005, 10:08:52 pm
Does etbualum's response remind anybody else of the 2003 season?


You know damned well that it was self-serving, etbualum.  Getting by (what is shaping up to be a disappointing) TLU team this year by 1 point for a win to stay in the hunt for the ASC title is one thing.  Touting it like the upset of the year is another. 

If your SID doesn't know the difference between what goes in a press release and what is suitable for editorial consumption, then you need to go find another SID--because they obviously weren't paying attention in Journalism 101.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2005, 10:09:53 pm
dsc, does the footer on your d3football posts also appear on the posts on  d3hoops message boards? ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 08, 2005, 10:42:05 pm
RT, I think you know the answer to that!  And I think I know why you are asking... ::)

But this year is going to be so different! ;D

(I didn't check, but I think what we have in the way of "customizing" our sites, appears throughout all the message boards.)

If not so, let me know! :-*
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 10:49:33 pm
Well, I have to point out, the SID's job is by default self-serving. They are the PR person for the athletic department. Some SIDs are worse than others (I can think of one not in this conference who writes every game story thinking he's Grantland Rice, never remembering that Grantland Rice is dead).

If someone had written a release saying they had beaten No. 7 Otterbein because the Cardinals are seventh in the Massey Ratings, I would say that's over the line. But unfortunately, Football Gazette exists, it even predates D3football.com, and some people consider it a legitimate ranking.

We don't, obviously. We used to go with the AFCA poll but its shortcomings were too much for us, so much that I committed myself to doing hours of work each week to create our own poll.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 08, 2005, 11:02:55 pm
Everything I have read from HSU states Tri-Champions.  I have to agree with baddog.

(Recruiting letters and such)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 08, 2005, 11:38:50 pm
Congrats to HPU.  I hate having to say that, but if you let a team stay around until the end, these things happen.  Think UMHB vs MT Union.  (PREIMPTIVE REFUTATION OF MISUNDERSTANDING---I'm not suggesting UMHB LET  HPU win, HPU gets all the props; my point is if UMHB didn't want to lose they needed to play well enough for the last second throw to not be a possibility and HPU didn't let that happen)

So, now we have different scenarios to consider: TLU is probably out of contention but...

A three way tie is possible btwn MHB-HSU-ETBU: w 1 loss each (MHB wins out, HSU beats ETBU)

AN MHB/ ETBU or MHB/HSU tie is possible w 1 loss each (MHB wins out + winner of next wks game wins out -MHB)

Or it could get ugly and we have 2 loss teams tied

How does all this shake out w MHB having one less game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 08, 2005, 11:45:01 pm
Pat beat me to it but if it is written by our SID its probably going to be a little self serving.  You not going to get me to apologize for our team only winning by a few points, no matter who the opponent is.  Do I think we are as good as 03...no I do not.  At the same time I was not at all shocked by our win today.  The fact that we played some of the weaker teams in the conference early cant do anything but help us against HSU. 

Also if you meant does etbualum's post sound defensive like he was of his team in 2003 your right.  I am defending the team for winning, and the SID for doing his job. Continue to criticize if you would like, but I will continue to defend.


Pat
I appreciate the effort that you put into your site, and I think it is the absolute best place for d3 football information.


As far as the one less game I think winning percentage plays into it somewhere but I am not 100% sure.  So not having that game against LC could be bad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 09, 2005, 12:22:01 am
Should be an exciting game next week (HSU - ETBU).  There are still a lot of games to be played.  Who knows how this thing will end up.  Of course I'll be hoping for HSU to win out!  But there are still very tough games ahead for the Cowboys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 12:44:09 am
How does all this shake out w MHB having one less game?

Covered this in my column.  MHB loses any "tie" because its winning percentage would be less.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 09, 2005, 08:33:15 am
Ron,

If MHB ends up in a two way tie that they won the head to head match up on do they also lose out?
I know they they lose the three way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2005, 09:46:34 am
Congratulations to HPU.  It sounds like they played a very good game.  That last drive reminded me too much of the ETBU drive 2 years ago in Belton.  Also, hats off to ETBU.  Everyone seems to have overlooked them so far this year.  Should be an interesting game against HSU.

Looks like UMHB needs to win out.  Hopefully they will respond like they did last year after the HSU loss.

It seems to me that a lot of teams have gotten better in the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 10:34:44 am
Ron,

If MHB ends up in a two way tie that they won the head to head match up on do they also lose out?
I know they they lose the three way.

Yes, the first thing the conference looks at is winning percentage, not number of losses.  They can't get in a tie based on winning percentage (well, except against LC, ha ha) because they will play one less conference game.  They would be 1/2 game behind any team with the same number of losses.  Let's say they beat HSU, unlikely though that may seem after yesterday's results:


     1.  Hardin-Simmons       8-1  .889  --
     2.  Mary Hardin-Baylor   7-1  .875  1/2


The good news for Crusader fans is that MHB still gets a pool C bid in this scenario.  They lose to HSU and they will sit at home along with TLU.

ETBU is still a huge wildcard.  They have done just enough to win all their games so far.  I may have to make the drive to Abilene next weekend to see them in person. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2005, 12:26:25 pm
Ron,  I think your right, UMHB has to win out to get in the playoffs.  Still a lot of key games to be played in the ASC.  Who knows what might happen.  Should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 09, 2005, 02:20:18 pm
Oh how it would suck to sit home b/c you're a half game back due to hurricane.  That would hurt more than missing out on the tie-breaker 2 years ago b/c you opted to try to win instead of securing the birth with a closer margin of victory to the team that beat you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2005, 02:28:31 pm
MHB8904, If UMHB wins out, they will get a Pool C bid.  That means they will have beaten HSU, even if HSU were to get the automatic.  Of course, I thought we were in 2 years ago......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 09, 2005, 02:56:51 pm
Yeah, I know the likelihood is pool c, but i can tell you remember the feeling from two years ago also. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2005, 03:04:53 pm
I will never forget that feeling either.  That was black Sunday for sure.  I think HSU felt bad that year, also.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 03:38:52 pm
Oh how it would suck to sit home b/c you're a half game back due to hurricane.  That would hurt more than missing out on the tie-breaker 2 years ago b/c you opted to try to win instead of securing the birth with a closer margin of victory to the team that beat you.

Well, the only way MHB doesn't go (IMO) is if they lose again.  With two losses they don't deserve a playoff spot, hurricane or no.   There are too many good one-loss teams to allow that. 

Question:  if HSU goes undefeated and ETBU loses only to HSU, do the Tigers end up getting a bid?  They too will have one less D3 game than most.  Should have a pretty good QoW index.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 09, 2005, 06:25:11 pm
Ron,

I agree. 2 losses doesn't deserve a nod, and I don't even like thinking about the possibility of HSU undefeated & ETBU w 1 loss.  That means MHB has 3 losses :o
As to whether or not ETBU gets a nod or not, that's a tough one.  I would hope so considering the strength of our conference, but maybe the committee thinks flash in the pan.  {By the way, if MHB does not make the playoffs I am now announcing my support for the HSU run at the Stag Bowl.} 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2005, 06:56:27 pm
mhb, this is a blood is thicker than water thing.  Come the playoffs we are all ASC fans.  My maroon blood can transiently bleed whichever shade of purple or blue or any other color on our quest for the Stagg.

I think that the only hope for UMHB is win them all.

With one loss teams, then the QOW as Ron mentioned will be critical.  The HSU and UMHB wins over D3 teams may help if they make the playoffs, but Southern Arkansas is of no help.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 09, 2005, 06:57:36 pm
Northwestern (MN) made the front page of ESPNs college football page today:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2185866
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2005, 07:03:50 pm
UMHB winning out will eliminate a 3 way tie with HSU and ETBU.  It will stink having won head to head and having a lower won loss pct.  Probably should have thought of that.

In the end, it will probably be decided on the field.  The best team will most likely win the conference.  Then we can root for a 2nd member to get into the field.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bricktamland on October 09, 2005, 07:18:17 pm
You would think it would make sense to look at head to head matchups first if there's 2 teams with the same amount of losses and not win percentage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 09, 2005, 07:19:23 pm
Ralph,

We all route for the ASC, but you must remember, I have sticks in both fires.  There may be people reading this from school that are wondering what's going on in my mind.  I'm just shoring up loose ends in my responses. 

Speaking of all pulling for the conference, I do the same with the Old Southwest conference, I pull for them over all other Big 12 schools.  Cheers to Baylor (with former UMHB receiver Shaun Rochon) on their first Big 12 road win ever, and big cheers to Texas for plowing the field with OU (finally).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2005, 09:51:39 pm
yeah, we have heard about UMHB being a farm team for the big Baylor! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2005, 10:07:52 pm
Ralph,  It was nice to see Baylor get a Big 12 win on the road Saturday.  I wish my alma mater could just win a game. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on October 09, 2005, 11:48:38 pm
My first chance to post since Saturday.  This was a tough weekend for RooCru.  Thank God that the Astros won today or it would have been a totally awful weekend.  :( :D

Congratulations to HPU on their win.  I listened to the game until the middle of the third quarter and it sounded like they were playing lights out.  I know it was a big win for their program and from all accounts I have heard, it sounds like they totally deserved it.

Two side notes I have been thinking about;

1)   In my mind there is no question the ASC is becoming a stronger conference from top to bottom.  I hope that this will be acknowledged by the D3 fandom and perhaps our conference will be recognized as getting stronger and stronger.  I think that will only help all members of the ASC when it is perhaps recognized like the ODAC, the NWC, the WIAC and others.  As much as I hate to say it, at the current time the leaving of the ASC by Austin College should help the conference strength rating and at the same time, I hope, breathe some new life into the AC program.

2)   It appears to me that each year UMHB has one game that the usual UMHB does not show up for.  (This is not an excuse or a knock on any teams that beats them).  For some reason they have not learned to be on top of their game every week to fight off the challenges that occur from being highly ranked or a favorite in the conference.   I think HSU does a better job of this right now and I wonder if it has something to do with being a new program in the D3 world and not having as much tradition to draw on.  I know Coach Fred well enough that the program he is developing will get past this point.  It is extremely hard for anyone to be up week to week in any classification of football and even those who are on top right now will eventually have one of those years where it begins to falter a little bit.

Like last year, I hope that now that the Cru have their backs to the wall they will not let anything stand in their way.  Best of luck to the Cru and we are rooting for you !!!

One last note.  As it appears I am the only AC backer on this board, I will try to post a little about what I perceive of their program after I attend Homecoming this weekend.  I cannot help but still root for the old alma mater and like the poet said "Hope springs eternal" .  Or was that a Cub fan?   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tripled14 on October 10, 2005, 12:25:28 am
Does etbualum's response remind anybody else of the 2003 season?


You know damned well that it was self-serving, etbualum.  Getting by (what is shaping up to be a disappointing) TLU team this year by 1 point for a win to stay in the hunt for the ASC title is one thing.  Touting it like the upset of the year is another. 

If your SID doesn't know the difference between what goes in a press release and what is suitable for editorial consumption, then you need to go find another SID--because they obviously weren't paying attention in Journalism 101.

Mister Bowerman it looks like you didn't pass english 101.  You should replace "they" with "he or she" on your last sentence.  Why does etbualum's response remind you of 2003?  Are you that jealous guy from Trinity who is still bitter from the loss in 2003?  ETBU's SID was just stating the fact that they beat the #14 team in the country acording to one poll.  If unranked Team A beats Team B and Team B is ranked 3rd in one poll and 15th in another poll what ranking do you think Team A's SID will use in the headline?   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on October 10, 2005, 12:30:48 am
Man i hate to see my boys lose, but u have to give it up to HPU.  Congrats on a huge upset.  I'd like to look at this loss the same as the loss to HSU last year, as a blessing in disquise.  

UMHB would have never made it to the Nat'l Championship, in my opinion, without our loss to HSU in week 7.  We realized then that the conference wasnt going to be handed to us on a silver platter and our practices became a lot more intense than the previous weeks in which we were more complacent.  Sometimes you just need a wake up call and i think (and hope) that is what this is.  I think it is hard to stay focused on what needs to be done with all the hype that UMHB has had this year coming off of last years season.  I think some changes will definitely be made in preparation for the upcoming weeks.  

Im rootin for ya Cru, now win out and lets get this thing rollin again!!!

Go CRU, Go Knights!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2005, 12:39:18 am
Why would a Trinity fan be posting here constantly?

Before you make your first post, people, it's usually wise to take a look around and figure things out. I think Josh Bowerman's affiliation is pretty clear if you read previous posts before jumping in headfirst with both feet. :)

For me, I would hope the SID would pick the poll that is most widely cited/credible.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2005, 12:50:52 am
Roocru, thanks for the continued support of the Roos.

I agree that the ASC may actually win by AC's going to the SCAC.

AC will want to play 4 non-conference games.  Who do they play?

Wash StL? Okay.  A win will boost their QOWI.
They need 3 more games.  Likely candidates include McMurry? winnable some years and a historic rivalry. Maybe SRSU in Sherman?...a chance at win vs state-private issues.  ETBU?...close and sometimes beatable.  HPU? historic rival.  Louisiana College?  Beatable, but 5 hours away. TLU? Awfully good program.

Thus, any win over AC helps our QOWI.

The second benefit means that the AC Trinity game moves to later in the season after a few years.  I believe that TU defeated TLU because they had one game under their belts.  We may now catch a TU with an even record.

Finally, we probably pick up the chance to play Rhodes and Millsaps a few more games, altho' the 2005 LC loss to Rhodes hurt us.  Do we also go to Montgomery to play a very tough Huntingdon?  Long bus ride...the Hawks bussed the 800 miles to San Antonio.  The loss of AC means the ASC needs to find 9 more non-conference games!

I am sorry to lose a school, because my hopes have been that we could actually get to 2 full conferences, East and West.  At least we will have roocru posting as a UMHB fan.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on October 10, 2005, 01:06:24 am
Ralph,

I am going to try and poke around some sources this weekend for some possible answers to your question of who AC might schedule.  The issue of scheduling is going to be prickly for all concerned in both the ASC and SCAC !  I always liked your idea of an east and west division but alas that it a ways off now :(

I will try to post some thoughts again next week.

Thanks for the kind words and be assured I will post on both boards next year!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tripled14 on October 10, 2005, 01:15:42 am
Why would a Trinity fan be posting here constantly?

Before you make your first post, people, it's usually wise to take a look around and figure things out. I think Josh Bowerman's affiliation is pretty clear if you read previous posts before jumping in headfirst with both feet. :)

For me, I would hope the SID would pick the poll that is most widely cited/credible.

Sorry, Pat, that I didn't read Josh's 1000 posts beacuase I don't have that much time.  Sorry that I didn't take a look around and figure "things" out.  I hope you and the other d3football gods can forgive me.

As far as picking polls:  If a nationally publicized poll is out there and credible then the SID can use it in a story.  You even quoted"Football Gazette exists, it even predates D3football.com, and some people consider it a legitimate ranking."  Who is the judge on which poll is more credible?

One final thought.  How do you jump in headfirst with both feet?  I will have to try that at the pool tomorrow!  lol
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2005, 01:21:24 am
Re headfirst with both feet -- that was my point, thanks. As was my other point -- I never said it was unreasonable to use that poll. You should complain to someone else about that.

Oh, now I see you've edited your post ... my response to your second point is that really the SID should make that decision, objectively. But failing that, that's where the people receiving the release as editors come in, which is why I made that judgment on our behalf.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tripled14 on October 10, 2005, 01:26:03 am
Update:  Did a little looking around and it appears to me that Mr. Bowerman is a HSU guy.  Then what I meant to say in my first post is I think he still wants to kick that overtime extra point from 2003 so we can go back and HSU can make the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 10, 2005, 02:11:39 am
Hey tripled14 you coming to Abilene this weekend?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 10, 2005, 08:36:21 am
What I meant to say is "why don't you kiss my ass, punk?"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 08:43:08 am
Looks like UMHB fell to about the right place in the d3 Top 25 poll.  I am surprised that they are one spot ahead of Trinity.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Norman on October 10, 2005, 09:14:15 am
I'll say it again.  TLU will not beat HSU, and will not make any playoffs, this year, next year, the next, or the one after that...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2005, 09:17:54 am
Bill, IMHO, UMHB lost to a team that has been on national radar screens in the past, HPU back in the Adam King days.

Trinity eked out a 5 point home win over a 3rd year program which has a total record of 8-13.

The average fall seems to be about 8 spots.

Can UMHB run the table? ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 09:19:17 am
Ralph, I see your point.  However, Trinity has a long history of success and is undefeated.  It won't matter anyway until the end of the year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 10, 2005, 09:28:00 am
Update:  ...(Josh)...wants to kick that overtime extra point from 2003 so we can go back and HSU can make the playoffs.

Yes, tripled14, that is EXACTLY what we want to happen!  Can you arrange it?   ;D

Josh, we love ya man!  Are you going to Homecoming?

Welcome to the club, tripled14...you've got to be thick-skinned around here, but it is all in fun...so, keep on posting!  People just love to catch anyone's little faux paxes! ???

Branded for Life!

HSU fan...forever!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 10, 2005, 10:04:20 am
Will be in Texas, but unfortunately not at homecoming, DSC.  Gotta do some work in Houston over the weekend. 

Will still be rooting for the Cowboys, though.  Obviously, a real important game this weekend.  We'll need a strong effort.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 10:08:27 am
Is ETBU putting together another run like 2 years ago?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2005, 10:26:50 am
Trinity eked out a 5 point home win over a 3rd year program which has a total record of 8-13.

Ralph, I love you man but that is taking the ASC love just a bit far.  Why not instead say that Trinity, forced to use inexperienced second-string QB in the second half, eked out a five-point home win against a team that had not lost to a Division III opponent in over a year? 

Oh, that's right, this is the ASC board, not the SCAC board.  Sorry.  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tripled14 on October 10, 2005, 10:39:44 am
What I meant to say is "why don't you kiss my ass, punk?"
Josh I thought you were a classless individual then you posted and removed all doubt.  Hey Pat I didn't know we could cuss on this site.  I know that you and Bowerman are tight but that comment he made is rediculous.  By the way I am not associated with ETBU as a fan or any other way.  I just thought it was necessary to take up for an SID who does one hell of a job.  Some people do not know how much work most of the SID's in ASC do on a daily basis.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 10, 2005, 10:44:33 am
Personal opinion is "No", Bill--but that doesn't mean HSU won't have to play a strong game to get the W, and that ETBU isn't capable of an upset--as is any team, really.  Playing as far down the depth chart as much as HSU has this season concerns me a bit.

In 2003, the Tigers were putting away their opponents with relative ease, for the most part.  This year, it seems to be more of a struggle--at least as evidenced by the difference in final scores between this year and 2003.

Of course, my opinion is that the 2003 game (which I actually saw in person), should never have gone to OT.  2 TDs for HSU were called back on penalties and 2 TOs inside the ETBU 10 didn't help the HSU cause.  Plus, the Cowboys came out of the half rather uninspired that day, and ETBU never quit.  Ergo, the result.  Based upon the way HSU played that second half, I'd say we were fortunate to win that game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 10, 2005, 10:52:54 am
Classless, huh?  Don't call me out and then expect an apology.  You won't ever get it.  And given the comments you've directed at me in your first four posts, I might just get more vitriolic (you can go look that up) in the future.  I'm not sure where you get off calling me classless--when, to my knowledge, we've never even met.

And furthermore, at least I sign my real name on my posts, Tripled.  You know where I stand--I don't need to hide behind a moniker.  I don't know who you are, but I certainly don't think I've done anything to deserve you.

For the record, I've only met Pat once--for about 30 seconds (he and Keith were doing the broadcast for the HSU/UW Stout game).  I would  say we're cordial, but not "tight". FYI.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 10, 2005, 10:59:13 am
back to football,

congrats to this weeks conference players of the week.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/m-football/awards.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 11:03:36 am
ETBU-HSU will be a huge game.  My expectation is that HSU wins.  However, ETBU beating TLU tells me they've got a pretty good team.  Frankly, I was surprised by that result. 

SRSU could give UMHB trouble the way they throw the ball.   Should be another fun weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 10, 2005, 11:08:32 am
Watch out for #1, Steven Richardson, Bill.  He made 13 catches for 141 yards and 3 TDs against our guys this weekend.  And, according to the HSU announcers, several of his catches were pretty spectacular.

I think he deserved consideration for the ASC Offensive POW, personally.  He pretty much single-handedly kept SRSU close the entire second half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 10, 2005, 11:14:55 am
What happened to Tony Troup for Sul Ross? I didn't see him on the stat sheet in the game against HSU.  He had a huge game for Sul Ross against HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on October 10, 2005, 11:22:38 am
What I meant to say is "why don't you kiss my ass, punk?"
Josh I thought you were a classless individual then you posted and removed all doubt.  Hey Pat I didn't know we could cuss on this site.  I know that you and Bowerman are tight but that comment he made is rediculous.  By the way I am not associated with ETBU as a fan or any other way.  I just thought it was necessary to take up for an SID who does one hell of a job.  Some people do not know how much work most of the SID's in ASC do on a daily basis.
If you want to get on Josh about grammar, then work on your own. The word is ridiculous. You can look it up.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=ridiculous

As far as the SID situation, my take is this: Whether it is the "official" ranking or not, if it has added value to the release then use it. But what the SID must do is use it in its proper context and note the source. If you want to be honest, the "official" ranking is what comes out of the AFCA, because realistically, it is what is published in newspapers across the nation. It has the most mass distribution. Though, I agree that the D3football.com ranking is more accurate, it is not published in newspapers across the nation. The average fan is going to read its paper, but not everyone comes to this web site. Don Hansen's poll is not scientific or voter-based. It is one publication's opinion. But if I were at that school, I could see using it. The purpose of the SID is to disseminate information and accentuate the positive of the university's athletic program.

There. I have said my peace. Both sides have a semblance of being right, it is just all in the perspective isn't it?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2005, 12:06:49 pm
Bonzo, we ASC fans thought that TU's depth was such that the 3rd string QB was almost as good as the first! ;)

And why would TU need anything more than a functional snap-taker for TU to stomp a newbie like Huntingdon? ;)

This is an interesting season!  I wonder how easily Huntingdon will be able to get games, if they continue to stomp people like they likely will thru the end of the season.

Next 2 questions involve Coach Mike Turk.

The guy won a NAIA national championship in college, and is clearly turning some heads in the football-crazy South.

Does he buy into the D3 Student-athlete model and build a strong program,  including getting other Southern schools to move to the GSAC and D3?

How long does he stay at Huntingdon?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2005, 12:11:02 pm
I'm not sure you can even make that claim -- a search in Google News pulled up 13 references for D3football.com Top 25 and nine for the AFCA's Top 25.

We're distributed nationally by SportsTicker and The Sports Network. I think we do a pretty good job getting the word out. Just because the AP has different standards for disseminating information doesn't keep us from getting into the right papers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on October 10, 2005, 12:33:05 pm
Pat,

I am not making a personal attack, but an observation. This site is the center of the universe for Division III sports. It is a needed commodity. It is not about splitting hairs, but as a former SID you know that you would have used any poll if it puts CUA in a positive light. Valid or not, it is positive. I think you do a great job of promoting it, but at the same time, like you said, AP does not distribute it like it should. If you ask me both should be sent out, just like the AP and Coaches polls in DI. In your search did you notice that it primarily circulated in the east? Don't you also work for the subsidiary of USA Today? Why is it not utilized there? I know I am going to take a karma hit for this post, but what is in the national newspaper?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 10, 2005, 12:43:04 pm
I want to echo Bill McCabe's and roocru's comments.

This weekend was great for ASC football. It should prove that we are no longer 2 strong brothers with a bunch of weaker sisters.  The weaker sisters are growing hair on their chests.

HPU beating MHB was a huge upset.  HPU got some press with Adam King as QB (best athlete I have seen in the conference), but I never really thought that HPU strongly contended for the conference championship.  King made them very dangerous and able to beat any team in the country on that particular day.

ETBU's win was less of a surprise in that they have a whole lot of talent but still a very noteworthy win against an up and coming program.  It appears TLU may have taken a (hopefully) small step back this year, but I still believe that TLU will win a conference championship sometime in the next 2 or 3 years.

And those talking about MHB and ETBU winning out to end the season with 1 conference loss and hopes for a championship, you left out McM.  We only have 1 conference loss too (and who in the world would have been crazy enough to have thought that).  Sellers is as close an approximation to King as there is in the conference today and I think the rest of the team is raising their ability to match his.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpudad on October 10, 2005, 12:47:31 pm
Here are some of my thoughts on the HPU/UMHB game.

I think HPU's defense played inspired football for the entire 60 minutes.  They did exactly what you need to do to defend the option attack, string it out to the side lines.  HPU's offense is having trouble running the ball, but they have the ability to complete passes on about anyone.  Like I said in another post this is a team that has the personel for the spread/passing offense trying to become more balanced.  I was impressed by the never quit attitude of the HPU team over the last two weeks (HSU & UMHB games).  The team went into this game believing that they could compete and win.  UMHB was the only team that the senior class of HPU had not beaten over the college careers.  HPU's Special Teams kept Williams in check on the kick-offs and punt returns.  

My thoughts on UMHB is that I don't think they went to Brownwood prepared for a tough contest.  I think they thought that with a new coach/system and HPU record that it would be an easy game.  I'm confused on why when the option attack was being shut down that UMHB didn't try something else but they continued to try and force the option attack.

Anyway it was a great game for the "Yellow Jackets."  I do not think any of their remaining opponents will be overlooking HPU.  Now HPU need to continue to play at this level the rest of the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2005, 01:01:19 pm
Pat,

I am not making a personal attack, but an observation. This site is the center of the universe for Division III sports. It is a needed commodity. It is not about splitting hairs, but as a former SID you know that you would have used any poll if it puts CUA in a positive light. Valid or not, it is positive. I think you do a great job of promoting it, but at the same time, like you said, AP does not distribute it like it should. If you ask me both should be sent out, just like the AP and Coaches polls in DI. In your search did you notice that it primarily circulated in the east? Don't you also work for the subsidiary of USA Today? Why is it not utilized there? I know I am going to take a karma hit for this post, but what is in the national newspaper?

66,

I believe if you read my past posts you would find that I agree with you. Don't read tripled's reaction -- read my actual posts!

Yes, I do work for USA TODAY, which has a contract with the coaches association regarding polls for all four NCAA divisions. End of story. They run the poll because of a contract, not because it's absolutely better. Nor am I willing to put my day job on the line to push for inclusion of our poll in USA TODAY. Let's be realistic here!

Distribution for both polls were essentially the same. East coast and midwest -- where the Division III schools are. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 10, 2005, 01:12:00 pm
I think it may be a week or two too early to make that assertion, mcmdad.  Based on my observation of this year's McM team, you might very well be right.  But, it also might also be indicative of UMHB coming back to earth (like Oklahoma this year) after such a strong, extended run. 

The next three weeks with ETBU, HSU, UMHB and McMurry all squaring off against each other in various combinations will be fun and interesting to watch. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 10, 2005, 01:56:16 pm
Josh,

Every plane touches down occasionally.  I hope the HPU game was just a touch and go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on October 10, 2005, 01:58:11 pm
I do know that UMHB was without several players this weekend @ HPU...I just wonder what the outcome may have been if they'd all been there. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2005, 02:41:00 pm
I do know that UMHB was without several players this weekend @ HPU...I just wonder what the outcome may have been if they'd all been there. 

When you're ranked #2 in the country you need to be able to find a way to defeat a 1-3 squad. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 02:53:46 pm
Ron,  I agree with your point.  I read in the Temple paper that Coach Fred said the team was not playing well, but you hope to get out of that type a game with a win.  From what I heard, HPU played very well, particularly on defense.  If UMHB makes the 1st down at the HPU 7, the game is over.  Great play by the HPU defense and an even greater drive.  I hope that propels them to a good finish for their season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 10, 2005, 02:59:23 pm
Bill there were a lot of if's in that game.  If Bolden would have interecepted a pass late in the game he would have scored a touchdown and it would have been UMHB having to make the comeback.  If HPU didn't have 12 men on the field on an UMHB punt late in the game they wouldn't have been able to run down the clock as much as they did.  If PJ Williams wouldn't have dropped a wide open pass it would have been a touchdown.  There were a lot of if's in that game but only one result.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 10, 2005, 03:18:40 pm
Josh, you seem to take everything I say way too seriously.

Main part of the post was that the ASC is getting stronger top to bottom.

Several posters were saying if ETBU and MHB won out they could get into the playoffs.  McM is in the same position and probably has the same chance as ETBU, who over the last couple of years is the most inconsistent team in the conference.  They have a lot of talent, just don't come to play every week.

McM has won 4 games this year after only 2 all of last year.  They have 1 of the most exciting players in the league and a team that is beginning to believe that they can win ever week.  McM is going to show up and play hard every week and the overall level of talent has improved.  We might not win out the season but the opposing team is going to know that they were in a ball game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 10, 2005, 03:27:23 pm
I don't actually disagree w/ you, proud.  In fact, I think that you are probably right on the money.  I was just pointing out that UMHB may have slipped a notch as another possible explaination.  If they come back and win out, then your original post would be spot-on.

As far asMcM goes, their across-the-board talent is noticeably upgraded--I can tell just by looking at the guys in their uniforms.  Bigger and more athletic-looking.  Also faster.  And, I assume, have worked out several of the kinks from the Austin College game I saw.

Uniforms are cool looking, too.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsuposse on October 10, 2005, 03:57:34 pm
One thing that everyone needs to remember about ETBU or UMHB winning out is the fact that HSU is playing both of them at home.  Actually, HSU is playing the next 4 out of the last 5 games in Abilene.  We all know that it's pretty hard to pull off a win at HSU, especially two years in a row.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 03:58:36 pm
dballa, I agree with you.  From what I can gather, HPU played the better game.  My point was UMHB still had a chance to win the game, but they didn't.  HPU made the plays.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 03:59:49 pm
hsuposse,  Beating HSU is the point in winning out.  That is the only chance either team has in my opinion to get into the playoffs.  I think HSU has to win one of the two.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 10, 2005, 05:46:03 pm
Dont worry about da boys in Abilene, just bring your team to us and we will be ready to play them. 

That sucka from ETBU that has been talkin trash to everyone, come to Abilene this weekend watch the game and then get on here and talk trash.  IF ETBU can find a way to win I will hush, but we lost one time on our home field during conference during my four years of playing.  Also you are coming to Abilene on homecoming, being the second best team in the conference (according to records, i didnt say talent cause you still havent played anyone), and when you start talking trash on here you better have something to go behind it.  Ive got 3 conference championships, 2 trips to the playoffs, and a Band of Brothers like you wouldnt believe!  Not that Im a veteran or anything, but dont come on here as a rookie and start bashing the veterans.

Oh by the way our rings dont say three-peat anywhere on them but i dont wear that ring.  Ive got a couple others I wear.  And three-peat is not something we hang our hats on.  In fact we have a little saying around the fieldhouse that some who live in the past should adopt: Hats off to the past and sleeves up to the future!

News Flash:  The injury bird came to my shoulder today and told me the wreckin ball they call Q will be ready this weekend.  We shall see.  The three headed monster will be back in the backfield.  Watchout now!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 05:56:12 pm
minni, why are you so angry?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 10, 2005, 11:36:55 pm
well there are a couple reasons.  I dont get to play the game i love anymore.  I have to play Intramural Flag football.  Also, this fella coming on here talkin mess about SID's and them beating the 14th ranked TLU Tigers is crap.  Come beat the third ranked HSU Cowboys and you can put that in an article.  TLU is not even in the top 50 in the nation.  Dont get me wrong they are a good team and I am not taking anything away from them but they are just not quite there yet.  Also, what happened two years ago is just that two years ago.  Field goal or not we beat them but that is in the past.  We went there last year and beat them again on their homecoming.  They are coming here to Abilene this year and we will see what they are made of.  Come beat us and put that in article.  Sorry Bill I just get frustrated when someone comes on here and just disrespects people.  But dont expect to come here and talk trash and not expect someone to fire right back at you.  Ok Im done with this post.  Go Cowboys!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on October 10, 2005, 11:38:05 pm
UMHB has beaten HSU the last two times they played in Abilene. Saturdays game reminded me of the stagg bowl game. To much of one play and not enough of others. Hopefully the crusaders will use this win as a motivator and not a let down. Let's go cru!!! Go  to work this week and bounce back strongly against SRSU. You have to play SRSU first then you can worry about HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tripled14 on October 10, 2005, 11:39:35 pm
Dont worry about da boys in Abilene, just bring your team to us and we will be ready to play them. 

That sucka from ETBU that has been talkin trash to everyone, come to Abilene this weekend watch the game and then get on here and talk trash.  IF ETBU can find a way to win I will hush, but we lost one time on our home field during conference during my four years of playing.  Also you are coming to Abilene on homecoming, being the second best team in the conference (according to records, i didnt say talent cause you still havent played anyone), and when you start talking trash on here you better have something to go behind it.  Ive got 3 conference championships, 2 trips to the playoffs, and a Band of Brothers like you wouldnt believe!  Not that Im a veteran or anything, but dont come on here as a rookie and start bashing the veterans.

Oh by the way our rings dont say three-peat anywhere on them but i dont wear that ring.  Ive got a couple others I wear.  And three-peat is not something we hang our hats on.  In fact we have a little saying around the fieldhouse that some who live in the past should adopt: Hats off to the past and sleeves up to the future!

News Flash:  The injury bird came to my shoulder today and told me the wreckin ball they call Q will be ready this weekend.  We shall see.  The three headed monster will be back in the backfield.  Watchout now!!!

Has the issue of steroids in d3football been discussed here?  Sounds like roid rage!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 11, 2005, 12:32:16 am
Crualum, you are correct one was a conference game and one was a playoff game.  If you read my post you will see i was talking about conference games.  But you are correct the last two times you have played at Shelton Stadium you have walked away with a win. 

tripled14,  Roid rage no.  You havent seen that yet, but maybe i should be tested.  Upset with people who think they are better than they are, yes.  Just come to Abilene and see how they play football in West Texas.  None of that stuff you do out in East Texas.  So I open up an invitation to our tailgate party and you are welcome to bring your own meat.  Then enjoy a football game.  We will be starting around 11:30 with kickoff @ 2:00.  We will be in the parking lot of the fieldhouse. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tripled14 on October 11, 2005, 01:16:13 am
Minni, I appreciate the offer. but I am not an ETBU fan nor am I in East Texas.  I was just simply taking up for the ETBU SID becuase he does a great job.  So does the HSU SID.  My beef is not with you or HSU, just that idiot Bowerman. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2005, 04:06:30 am
Has the issue of steroids in d3football been discussed here?  Sounds like roid rage!

My beef is not with you or HSU, just that idiot ...

Rage, indeed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 11, 2005, 01:06:12 pm
I have always felt that HPU would have great teams year in and year out, but would lose to HSU and shut the rest of the season down.  They would lay down for UMHB and not play as well as they did against HSU.  You have to keep your head up and keep fighting all season long.  I'm happy HPU got the win, it makes me laugh.  Its funny to hear the cru fans on here talking about "if this happend"  Yeah, Yeah, we know.  Each week you hae to put your pants on and play like a man.  Regardless if your record is 5-0, 2-3, or even 0-5.  Minni and steriods?  That's even funnier.  Keep givin' 'em hell.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 11, 2005, 01:10:10 pm
Best GA in the land = Skids

sorry i missed the "v" in have
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 11, 2005, 01:11:36 pm
Can someone explain the karma points thing?  Anyone, anyone?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 11, 2005, 01:28:07 pm
When people think you've made a good point or said something they agree with, they hit the "applaud" button, Tim.  This gives you +1 karma.

Obviously, the opposite happens when they hit the smite button.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2005, 01:36:34 pm
And not everyone has access to the applaud and smite buttons, only the more veteran posters.

This is in the FAQs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 11, 2005, 01:45:04 pm
Just out of curiosity, what level poster do you have to be to have karma privileges, Pat?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 11, 2005, 02:35:49 pm
Hey I Know I am little late on this subject, but do tou think that we could go back and kick that extra point in 2003?  You Know since (Triple whatever) says its OK.  That would make me sleep better at night.   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on October 11, 2005, 02:50:33 pm
Just out of curiosity, what level poster do you have to be to have karma privileges, Pat?
I head you were banned from Karma point privileges.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 11, 2005, 02:54:09 pm
From whom, Trent?  Or is that a joke that I obviously missed.   ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 11, 2005, 03:33:08 pm
Didnt mean to touch of such a passionate argument.  ETBU will have to play the best game they have played this year to even come close to HSU...but I think they can, and I think they can win.
As for mini hating on east texas football. ETBU first got a team in 2000.  When we joined the conference several well established teams had pretty good holds on recruiting and winning at the d3 level.  So it will take a little while for ETBU to catch up to the Tradition of HSU on the d3 level.  You however can stack up east texas high school football against any area in the country especially west texas and you will see there really is no comparrison.  I believe ETBU has been even in the last couple of years as far as talent at the skill positions.  Two areas that we have not been able to match UMHB or HSU is Size of the O and D line and the QB position.  Once those areas start to shape up then I think you will see a more consistent and dominant ETBU teem.  As for when I do not know but I will patiently wait.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 11, 2005, 04:05:08 pm
ETBUAlumn

I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment about East Texas football.  These Corn-fed fellows in West Texas and many of the ones in central Texas are equally impressive. ;D  But i will admit that ETBU is well placed to pick up some talent.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 11, 2005, 04:05:46 pm
Are you saying there are better players in east texas or west?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 11, 2005, 04:07:34 pm
As a Texan living abroad (in Pennsylvania, and before in Kentucky), I can tell you that both East and West Texas play better football than a lot of the nation.

Can't we just leave it at that?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 11, 2005, 04:07:51 pm
no
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 11, 2005, 04:08:02 pm
etbualum,  that area around Marshall is very fertile ground for football talent.  You could just concentrate in Tyler and Longview areas and do very well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 11, 2005, 04:09:28 pm
The whole State of Texas has good football players.  We have more D1 programs than any other state and very, very good D3 programs.  I'll take a Texas high school player from any part of the state any day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 11, 2005, 04:12:31 pm
how low can the karma points go?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 11, 2005, 04:24:05 pm
sthrncwby, with you there is probably no limit! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 11, 2005, 04:32:21 pm
ETBU does recruit some impressive athletes.  However, I believe it has little to do with the superiority of East Texas football.  Population and location are the two most important factors in there talent base.  Not (location because it is in East Texas), but the lack of competition from other D3 schools in that area.  Great high school football is played all over the state of TEXAS!   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on October 11, 2005, 04:34:32 pm
From whom, Trent?  Or is that a joke that I obviously missed.   ???
I am just messing with you. Lighten up Francis.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 11, 2005, 04:35:54 pm
Sorry, Trent.  Been a bit punchy the last couple of days.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on October 11, 2005, 04:46:58 pm
Josh, your Karma is dropping faster that Southern Cowboy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 11, 2005, 06:46:44 pm
Is Karma the reason everyone wanted to get credit for their previous posts?  Perhaps I should ask for the posts from the last couple of years to be added to my posts from this year.  It's probably not enough to make much of a difference but every little bit helps.  Go Cowboys....get a Tiger!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 12, 2005, 08:31:48 am
Interesting story on principles and school boards in high school football from ESPN this morning.  I encourage you to check it out:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/news/story?id=2188313
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 12, 2005, 09:23:06 am
Josh, So much for religious freedom of speech.  Thanks for the link.  Very interesting article.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 12, 2005, 09:25:12 am
Josh, I know our high school team still prays.  We had prayers over the PA until threatened with a lawsuit.  There is now an inspirational message that many fans conclude with a loud AMEN.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on October 12, 2005, 10:45:16 am
Here is an article on LC's Defensive Back Taylor Huffman that was in today's The Town Talk:

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051012/SPORTS/510120323/1006
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRDAD on October 12, 2005, 12:19:46 pm
I agree with the poster about interesting games to watch. I don't care about all the trash talking, but there are some good games coming up. My son is a starting freshman at SR, and we both agree the quality of football in the ASC could be some of the best in the country. It's a privaledge to play all of these teams. With a little retention, things will be looking up at Alpine next year, with more good football to come.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 12, 2005, 01:34:33 pm
SRDAD, It looks like SRSU is much better this year.  I will see them this week against UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 12, 2005, 01:51:33 pm
Anyone associated with UMHB, what's the mood?  I remember what was like to be ranked so high.  Then someone yanked the rug out from under your feet.  It sucks.  Can they rebound or will they fall apart?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 12, 2005, 02:04:48 pm
I'm not doggin UMHB or anything, but I have to question their #11 ranking after sufferring a loss to an unranked opponent like HPU.  I would think that undefeated Trinity would still have to be way ahead of them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2005, 02:24:55 pm
I'm not doggin UMHB or anything, but I have to question their #11 ranking after sufferring a loss to an unranked opponent like HPU.  I would think that undefeated Trinity would still have to be way ahead of them.

In terms of what, exactly?

If you're talking playoff possibilities, certainly.  Other than that I would caution anyone from reading too much into any one game, because "any given Saturday," etc etc.  Trinity (who was down in the fourth quarter just last Saturday to another "unranked opponent" at home, albeit one that was 4-0) hasn't rolled past anyone this year. I don't think you can say based on current results that TU would be "way ahead" of UMHB. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 12, 2005, 02:49:43 pm
Ron I'm not much of a rankings guy myself, and I fully understand that by no means is UMHB way better a team than Trinity.  However, does UMHB deserve to be in the top 15 after dropping a game to a 1-3 opponent?  I feel that Trinity certainly does because they have won all of there games regardless of what the score was.  (They found a way to win)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 12, 2005, 02:52:27 pm
Hey it was just a simple question no reason to start jacking my hard earned karma things.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 12, 2005, 03:33:24 pm
Ron's quote, "Other than that I would caution anyone from reading too much into any one game, because "any given Saturday," etc etc."  Why even play the games then.  Lets just pick the national champion at the beginning of the year and call it quits.  That sure would save alot of time and money.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 12, 2005, 03:47:14 pm
I wanted to see #2 UMHB vs #4 HSU.  Huge game.  Now its still a big game, but it lost just alittle of the hype.  UMHB should drop, possibly the best team with a notch in the "L" column.  You have to respect the teams still undefeated.  Then again it doesnt matter till playoffs and still who cares where youre ranked.  Just keep winning and things will fall into place.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 12, 2005, 03:55:26 pm
You may not be dogging UMHB but you are bashing an HPU team who has played 3 top 15 teams to start the season and one team that has only one loss all year and it's to a non DIII school.  I'm sure if HPU had started their season off against MC, SRSU, LC and one of the weaker Wisconsin teams we would probably have a winning record as well. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on October 12, 2005, 04:10:59 pm
You can't look at records alone. HPU deserves way more credit than is shown. I would like to see the record of another D 3 school who has a winning record this season agaisnt 3 top 15 schools??? I still think the HSU vs UMHB will be a big game, most likely the game of the week. But give credit where credit is due please.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 12, 2005, 04:32:29 pm
dballa,
Don't get your feelings hurt.  Having played in the ASC I have tremendous respect for both UMHB and HSU.  I also understand that HP has had a difficult schedule and that they are in a transitional phase, but that doesn't change the fact that when you lose to a 1-3 program you should drop in the rankings considerably. 

I don't put much stock in the rankings, but my elligibility is up so it gives me something else to talk about
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 12, 2005, 04:33:58 pm
Sorry I meant respect for UMHB and HP
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 12, 2005, 04:57:21 pm
I don't think you have to worry about any feelings being hurt especially after any comments from someone from HSU :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 05:11:23 pm
Question #1: Were [are] the prayers in question specific to a certain religion?

Question #2: How would people feel if the coach were a Jew or a Muslim and offered a prayer consistent with her/his religious beliefs?

Question #3: What does religion [and God or god or the gods] have to do with football or any other sport? I.e., does a deity, perhaps, play favorites on court or field?

Merely wondering ....

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Nimbly_bimbly on October 12, 2005, 08:19:11 pm
  etbualum as you quoted in reply #793 on Oct. 11 

"Two areas that we have not been able to match UMHB or HSU is Size of the O and D line and the QB position.  Once those areas start to shape up then I think you will see a more consistent and dominant ETBU teem." 

well first of all teem is really team.  and for the whole size issue.  i know for a fact that the starting center for HSU the last two years was 5'11" and 230 lbs. soaking wet.  and if you think that ETBU can't find size to compete with that, then keep using the same excuse.

how about that stat!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 12, 2005, 08:33:41 pm
I guess I should have sent my post to the spelling police first.

Sorry to all the fans that I have offended. 

On the other note you do not have to be big to be a good o line or d line player.  We have had all conference in just about every position but QB in the last 4 years.  I was making the statement that when we dont have to start 4 freshman on the O line and we can get the depth and talent of the HSU O line then we will be a dominant TEEM.

Seriously some of you HSU guys should learn take a compliment.  The underlying theme of the whole post was that we want to be where you guys are.  If this post still offends you then you probably spent too much time on the field and maybe you should have your head checked.

PS Notice how I highlighted some no need to hear back from everyone of you on this either.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tripled14 on October 13, 2005, 12:06:27 am
Anyone associated with UMHB, what's the mood?  I remember what was like to be ranked so high.  Then someone yanked the rug out from under your feet.  It sucks.  Can they rebound or will they fall apart?
I hear that Coach Fredenburg told the players it was his fault UMHB lost the game.  I think the Crusaders will bounce back although Sul Ross may give them some trouble with their passing attack. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on October 13, 2005, 02:15:22 am
I find it funy that some people on this bord put so mutch emfasis on speling and gramer.  I thought this was a board discussing football in the ASC, not english classes in the ASC.  From what I hear the atmosphere at UMHB is  good. The coaches made some moves to try to the get the best players on the field. Hopefully it will work out. I think UMHB wins big this weekend. GO CRU!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 13, 2005, 08:45:41 am
Exactly the reason the coach resigned, I'm sure Warren.

I respect you a bunch, man, but by-and-large, 80% of this country (geographically removing the northeast and the west coast) sees nothing wrong with the practice of public prayer at event gatherings. 

Plus, Muslims and Jews pray to the same monotheistic diety that Christians do.  That diety might be called a different name and the specific religion might require somewhat different tenents (sp?), but it's the same big "G" God at the end of the day.

Our nation and world would be a whole lot better off if people would realize that.

Back to football....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 13, 2005, 09:11:16 am
About the coach and prayers...in public, not private schools.

I wasn't going to say anything, but that is NOT my nature and the questions are interesting as well as the situation.

I offer these comments without knowing the whole story, only what has been reported so far.

But, sooner or later...we'll all realize that when we pray it is to the same God, for there is only ONE!  (When my Muslim friends say, "Allah"...to me, I hear "God.")

What is usually the first thing that happens when a player is seriously injured on the field?  Ans:  We pray and ask others to pray!  If prayers are not allowed before the game, then we should NOT be seeking God's favor when there is a real serious injury, and the player has a broken neck...and on his way to the hospital.   Just my opinion...

Have a great day and let the games begin!


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on October 13, 2005, 09:40:04 am
Warren -- Good questions. I'll bet that, a prayer before a public H.S. football game in Abilene and over a PA system that began with invoking Allah, would result in a lynching.
Another question my pastor has brought up on this issue -- Didn't Jesus, when teaching His disciples about prayer, tell them to not pray "on the street corner to be seen", but go into their room?
Another point my pastor made is that no one can ever keep you from praying -- except you.
And as long as there is 3rd and long, there will be prayers at football games. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 13, 2005, 10:01:03 am
Excellent points, baddog!

Maybe silent prayer could be some kind of compromise!

But, I'm also thinking of "When in Rome, do as the Romans do..." and as was pointed out 80% or so would probably favor some form of "public" prayer.

I wonder if we could say "God" or "Jehovah God" in Baghdad or Riyad...or Mecca...and not be lynched, or beheaded!

My young ones say a prayer before tests in school!  ;D

...and add "foxholes" to places where prayers are uttered!

It just seems a little hypocritical to ask for help "after" an event, but not "before."

Thanks for your appreciated comments.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tripled14 on October 13, 2005, 10:01:15 am
Good luck to all teams this weekend
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 13, 2005, 10:06:55 am
My point: I'm more than slightly uncomfortable with the formal, public linkage of religion -- any religion -- and athletic competition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUpt on October 13, 2005, 10:24:46 am
To my knowledge, it's not up to us what God is or isn't "linked" to.  That' one of an infinite number of things that makes God who He is.  You can't expect people who are passionate about a belief to not infuse it into everything they do.  You can't pick and choose what part of your life you allow God into.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 13, 2005, 10:38:04 am
HSUpt:

You missed my point, I think. What "passionate" believers do privately is one thing. They can "infuse" as much as they want. It's the public linkage that makes me squirm, especially when this takes place in a public school or college setting. Private schools and colleges can assay whatever the traffic will bear.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tiger_Eye on October 13, 2005, 10:42:32 am
Dear God,

Please let the Tigers finally get a win against HSU this weekend.

                                                                          AMEN

p.s. Another one in Belton wouldn't hurt either. Thanks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 13, 2005, 10:52:58 am
LOL, Tiger Eye.  Had to boost your karma one for the last post.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 13, 2005, 10:58:24 am
I must say as a father, seminary student, ordained minster... I am opposed to public prayer in a generalized setting.  I moved back to texas from Utah to finish school, and here I agree with most religious contexts, but in Utah that's not the case, and they don't really beilieve in the separation of church and state.  I don't want people of another faith leading my kids in any religious activity in a generalized public setting, that's my job (or my wifes).  Now in a setting that is specifically religious (i.e. camp, Christian University, any other faith based organization) that I voluntarily send my child to or go to, that's different, and if I'm offended it's my own fault.

Just my two cents
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 13, 2005, 11:10:44 am
My daughter is currently enrolled in public school, where the same type of standard described in the article is in place.  Prior to that, she was enrolled in a private, non-sectarian nursery school that chose to employ the same standard.

Result?  No Halloween.  No Valentines Day.  No Christmas/Hannukah/Ramadan/Kwanzaa.  No Easter.  No Thanksgiving.

Why?  Because they're religiously-oriented holidays.  Just my opinion, but isn't banning this stuff kinda taking the fun out of being a little kid?

Rather than ban stuff, I'd rather embrace it.  All major religions, save the Aethiests--who believe there is no God--refer to their diety as "God".  The diety may have another name as well to devotees, but asking "God" to help keep you safe, give 100% effort, etcetera doesn't seem to cross any particular religious lines as being disrespectful.  Mentioning Jesus Christ, however, might--and I recognize that.

If we would all try embracing other religious traditions the way we protect our own, we'd have a better understanding of what's important to other people, and why we need to give as well as receive respect.  Banning everything, though, seems to take the way of the Aethiest, IMO--and certainly misses out on teachable moments.

My liberal-arts-eduction-purist-background .02 worth.  Surely you can appreciate that, Warren!   ;)

And back to football...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 13, 2005, 11:32:29 am

Result?  No Halloween.  No Valentines Day.

My liberal-arts-eduction-purist-background .02 worth.  Surely you can appreciate that, Warren!   ;)

Halloween a "religious" holiday? Maybe for witches, eh. Or Lutherans (after all, it's "Reformation Day") ? [BTW there are folks who refuse to celebrate Halloween cuz they believe it does glorify witchcraft.]

And, yes, your "liberal-arts-purist-background" is hereby appreciated.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 13, 2005, 11:38:08 am
All Hallow's E'en, the night before All Saints Day!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUpt on October 13, 2005, 11:46:56 am
Warren,

I see your point about certain things not being public.  However, I feel that people also have the choice to participate or not participate.  True, people can do whatever they want in private, but our country was founded on Biblical principles and teachings.  Anyway, that's a subject that could be debated for days on end. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 13, 2005, 11:50:54 am
HSUpt:

Agreed, there's no call to debate it further in this room.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 13, 2005, 03:09:30 pm
So about football this weekend!!!!!

Couple big games this weekend.  We will have an outright conference leader this weekend.  Also does UMHB rebound after a tough loss last weekend?  Can the TLU that everyone expected to see this year  who hasnt shown up at times, show up this weekend?  Can HPU Keep it rollin and spoil homecoming at McMurry?  Oh wacky staurday here we come.

I just hope everyone is healthy and stays healthy for next week.  This is a big two weeks in the life of an HSU Cowboy.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on October 13, 2005, 04:55:45 pm
Here is the game preview as it appeared on the Louisiana College website: 

http://www.lacollege.edu/athletics/news/2005/2005-10/2005-10-13_football.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUpt on October 13, 2005, 05:05:38 pm
Hey Minni.  Just wanted to let you know I'll be there EARLY on saturday! and you know this!!!  MAN!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: choctawmaniac on October 14, 2005, 09:49:25 am
This is from today's Clarion-Ledger newspaper in Jackson, Miss. Don't know how accurate Street and Smith's is, but it's good news to believe whether it's really good or not.

Don't be surprised to hear the sound of heavy footsteps emanating from Wood Coliseum in Clinton when basketball practice starts at midnight tonight.

Mississippi College's Choctaws aren't going to sneak up on anyone.

They are ranked No. 2 in NCAA Division III by Street & Smith's magazine after going 24-5 last season and reaching the Sweet 16 of the NCAA Tournament.

"We'll take it as a compliment and try to use it as motivation that people will be coming after us," said sophomore forward Tyler Winford, the former Jackson Academy star who was named first-team All-American by Street & Smith's.

"The key will be how well our new guys fit in with what we've got back. It's a lot like last year, really."

Last year, MC coach Don Lofton wasn't sure what he would have when he blended a bevy of newcomers with just three returning lettermen.

The 2004-05 Choctaws made the American Southwest Conference Tournament championship game for the eighth straight year and the NCAAs for the seventh time in that same span.

Ten lettermen are back from that team and will be joined by 10 transfers, most of them from junior colleges.

"We feel like we've got a nice team," said Lofton, entering his fourth season as MC's head coach. "To be ranked No. 2 in the country, that's kind of a surprise, but we're not concerning ourselves with preseason polls right now.

"You like the fact that you're well thought of, but it's where we finish that we're concerned about."

In addition to Winford, top returnees include Jaszmine Eugene, Lonnie Vasquez, Cedric Armstrong and Willie Powers.

Newcomers of note include Jones County JC transfer Tim Broomfield, a onetime Southern Miss recruit, and D-III LeTourneau transfer Jonathan Collins.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2005, 12:45:42 pm
What a quiet board this week (as least in terms of football). 

ETBU at Hardin-Simmons ... TLU took the Tigers lightly; how will the Cowboys treat them?

Howard Payne at McMurry ... at last, McMurry faces a team that has won a game ... can they do what UMHB could not?

Sul Ross at UMHB ... would YOU want to face the Crusaders this week? 

Mississippi College at AC ... might be AC's best chance to get a win, but will it be enough of one?

Louisiana College at TLU ... how will the Bulldogs react?  LC can put points on the board; can they do anything with Sean Salinas and Jason Trahan?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 14, 2005, 01:04:09 pm
HSU over ETBU, Cowboys play one at a time
Mc Murry beats HPU, to make UMHB look bad
UMHB over Sully, sorry lobos
Miss over Austin, they're already runnin to the scac
TLU over LC, LB 44 runs down the cats

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 14, 2005, 01:31:20 pm
HSU beats ETBU by 2 touchdowns, they know win here gets them in playoffs even if lose to MHB.
McM beats HPU, HPU played a great game last week but way over their normal ability and will be flat this week
AC beats MC, I still think AC gets more out of their players than any other team in the conference although haven't had any luck or wins this year.
MHB beats SRSU by more than 50 pts, SRSU is much better than last several but I wouldn't want to be playing MHB this week
TLU beats LC by almost as much, just to show that they are better than the results to date have indicated.  If they don't, I will definitely have to reconsider my opinion (already in question) about them being an up and coming program with an ASC championship with 2-3 years.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justin ollie on October 14, 2005, 03:36:42 pm
I would be willing to bet that UMHB scores 4 touchdowns before they get off the bus.  This is going to be pretty ugly if last season's rebound is duplicated.  They woke up and started rolling everyone by at least 28.  We will see.  Might not be good to be a Lobo right now.

HSU will have a tough time with ETBU but should squeek out a win.

McM vs. HPU will be very interesting.  After watching HPU play this season I cannot believe they beat UMHB.  Is UMHB down that much from last season?  HPU looked bad except for a decent QB.  I didnt think they would win a game this season.  That makes UMHB look bad. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 14, 2005, 04:00:20 pm
Squeek out a win?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 14, 2005, 04:10:45 pm
HSU-ETBU will answer a lot of questions about  both teams.  Has ETBU really that much better?  Is HSU that good?  Should be an interesting game.  I think HSU will win.

I'm not sure UMHB will win by 50.  I want to see them shut down the Sul Ross passing attack and control the ball with their running game.  That will answer a lot of questions going into the HSU game the following week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 14, 2005, 04:14:32 pm
karma points?  I ask a question and lose points.  I dont even talk trash.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 14, 2005, 04:19:16 pm
You can never tell how a game is going to be between two teams until those teams actually meet.  HSU vs UMHB will be one hell of a game, regardless of how ETBU or SR plays.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justin ollie on October 14, 2005, 04:22:59 pm
Squeek out a win?

They just dont look that good.  I didnt see them play when Jordan was healthy but it didnt look good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 14, 2005, 04:31:37 pm
Justin, Do you think ETBU has a shot at winning in Abilene?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 14, 2005, 04:36:14 pm
Interested to see how UMHB will repond to the loss, I fear the worst for the Lobos.
HSU will win a good game against ETBU (no SQUEEKING though, Ollie you need your eyes checked.)
TLU will deal with LC
HP will ride the high right over McM
Who knows about MC and AC
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 14, 2005, 05:08:49 pm
Justin is officially drunk.  My God man have you mad!!!?  We beat HPU and you lose to HPU.  HPU lost to ETBU by three.  If da' boys "squeek" by then I think UMHB my have some trouble on their hands.  I mean if you are going to start that crap Justin lets start analyzing things.  If the Cowboys win by more than three this weekend does that mean the Cru will Struggle with the Tigers?  Come on man lets use our brain just a little bit!!

If "squeeking" by is 3 plus touchdowns then ok.  I dont even see this being a game this weekend.  I see the JV playing this weekend!!!!  See thats what happens when i get fired up.  I say wierd things.  Oh Well, C-Life by atleast three touchdowns. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 14, 2005, 05:14:10 pm
HSU "squeAks" by MC 14-0...SRSU beat MC what 38-17 or something like that.  UMHB beats MC by 60..HSU beats HPU easily...HPU beats UMHB...you can play the scoreboard game all day long..it doesn't mean jack squat til you play the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUpt on October 14, 2005, 05:38:13 pm
I'm with Minni on that one.  I'll be glad when this weekend is over and HSU has removed any doubt about being for real after they put up some crazy numbers against ETBU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 14, 2005, 05:43:54 pm
Minni, I don't think I have read that anyone thinks HSU is not for real.  They are in the driver's seat for the conference championship and the automatic bid.  Their high ranking is also indicative of how good they are.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 14, 2005, 05:48:47 pm
you don't squeek by a team when you shut them out.  Ollie's just jealous he never was a cowboy.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 14, 2005, 07:32:12 pm
You could play scoreboard till your purple and gold in the face but it is what you do on the field.  I agree 1000%, but Ollie started it by saying da boys are just going to "squeek" by. (his spelling not mine)  I seriously think he has gone mad!!!!

HSUpt come join us in the parking lot before the game, bring the wife and a couple steaks, hit the eskimo hut up and come tailgate with us.  Love to have yall join us.  11:45ish in the parking lot by the Fieldhouse. 

I never said that you didnt think we are for real.  I know you know that we know or whoever knows that we are for real.  I never said we werent for real.  Oh well, just know the cowboys will be ready to play @ 2 pm Shelton Stadium. 

timmy asap you need to be here!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPUSPATS on October 14, 2005, 09:00:39 pm
Hey,can anyone tell me the address at Indian Stadium where McM and HPU are playing?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 14, 2005, 09:53:09 pm
Someone from McM correct me if I'm wrong or if you have a better way but if you come into Abilene through Coleman and on the mall side...exit from highway 83 onto Buffalo Gap Road near the mall...follow it until it turns into Sayles and then take a left on Hunt St...and you'll be there, unless it's changed or you come from the other way then i'm wrong.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPUSPATS on October 14, 2005, 11:19:48 pm
Appreciate it
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cgmatch on October 15, 2005, 10:38:45 am
Here is the LC-TLU preview from The Town Talk this morning:

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051015/SPORTS/510150339/1006
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on October 15, 2005, 12:49:41 pm
Daballa's instructions to get to McM are fine.  Once you find the campus, the hard part starts -- trying to find a parking spot on homecoming Saturday!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 15, 2005, 01:22:10 pm
Good luck to McMurry on their homecoming game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on October 15, 2005, 05:57:16 pm
Final score from McMurry: HPU 35, McM 33.  McM led at the half, but fell behind with a blocked punt that HPU ran into the endzone.  A McMurry TD made it 35-33 with 2 minutes to go, but missed the 2-point conversion.  McM kicked off (no onside kick) and finally got the ball back with 4 seconds on the clock; the hail Mary was incomplete.  Lots of turnovers for both teams, but McM ended up on the short end of the equation.  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 15, 2005, 06:40:18 pm
Its true, its true we squeaked by with one today!!! 38-13. 

Justin Ollie was right!!!!

Whatever!!!!  We killed em.  Slow in the beginning but fixed and played well in the second half. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 15, 2005, 06:50:20 pm
No doubt who is the best in the conference now....everyone else is playing for second.

Good game HSU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 15, 2005, 06:59:07 pm
I was impressed with ETBU's defense.  They held strong on several red zone opportunities.  They did seem to wear down as the game went on, but played very well in the first half.  I think team depth was the difference as HSU did their usual two (plus) deep rotation.  Good intensity from the Cowboys.  Looking forward to Saturday already!  Go Cowboys!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 15, 2005, 08:23:12 pm
mcmfan you were right finding parking was hard today.  Good win for HPU.  Not a good looking game though.  5 interceptions for each team.  Is that an ASC record for 10 combined? 

It didn't seem like either team wanted to win this one.

HPU had breakdowns in their coverage and McM missed out on some big opportunities deep in HPU territory. 

The only problem i have was late in the game when HPU had a 3rd down with :51 secs left in the game and they had a rushing play, the clock didn't start until our player was tackled which would have been at least 8 secs.  Then we get the punt off and McM gets the ball with 4 secs left and a chance to win the game.  Their last drive never should have happened.  But it was a good exciting game today.  It will be nice when they get that new turf because everybody was slipping around on that chewed up muddy field.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 15, 2005, 08:37:45 pm
someone asked about the Mc M stadium name...

Shotwell Stadium

...in a hurry and on a laptop...

go cowboys...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 15, 2005, 08:49:16 pm
The HPU/McM game today wasn't played at Shotwell it was played on campus at Indian Stadium.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on October 15, 2005, 09:03:35 pm
Just some reflections -- with no offense intended to anyone:
Miss. College's win over AC is yet another farewell "gift" from the ASC to the Kangaroos. Congrats to Miss. College on the fiorst win of the season and for/with the new coaching staff.
HPU avoided a letdown after the upset of UMHB. Not the HPU of the past. Seems lkike they have more discipline than before.
LC seems to have found a rhythm, but TLU is just better and was at home.
I thought UMHB would really pound SRSU -- maybe to salve their wounds from last week. Maybe they were looking ahead to their vist to Abilene next week.
HSU did well against a pretty good ETBU team. Still, they must take it up a notch next week. Get ready, Cowboys, and win it at home!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 15, 2005, 11:33:23 pm
dballa, I was following the clock on that last HPU drive very carefully.  McMurry used up its timeouts and then HPU was calling timeouts at the end of the 25 second clock.   HPU began its last drive with 1:40 left and the ball was being put in play correctly.  I saw at least 8-10 seconds run off the game clock after the player was tackeld before the 25 second clock was started.

I thought the time clocks were run correctly.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 15, 2005, 11:43:31 pm
Yeah but Ralph I looked up at the clock when the play started and it said :51 secs then after the player was tackled the clock started up...because it wasn't a first down and no timeouts were called after that 3rd down play the clock was suppose to run even before the play clock is reset and started.  I guarantee if you look at it again you'll see that it didn't start. 

But even with that either way, both teams had a lot of turnovers and the game could have gone either way. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on October 16, 2005, 12:12:38 am
I would say the key difference in the McM-HPU game was that the HPU o-line did a better job of protecting their quarterback than McM's did.  We sacked HPU only once, I think (though it was a big play and caused a turnover).  But Sellers, our QB, was constantly under pressure and got sacked repeatedly.  Some of his intercepted passes were clearly because he was scrambling to avoid the HPU pass rush, while HPU's QB had a lot more time to get his throws off (and even outran several of our rushers).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 16, 2005, 06:11:17 pm
So the commissioner of the ASC made a suggestion to the referees of UMHB's game on Saturday. The suggestion that the barrels in the couch cru not be hit once the 25 second clock is in play. I believe that this was b/c MC had a hard time of hearing when they were down by the couch cru. My opinion is that this is fan noise. The referees of the MC/UMHB game could have talked to the couch cru at any time, however they were never given any warning. Why would the commissioner make a suggestion to make up for a game that didn't really matter?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 16, 2005, 06:45:17 pm
"So the commissioner of the ASC made a suggestion to the referees of UMHB's game on Saturday. The suggestion that the barrels in the couch cru not be hit once the 25 second clock is in play. "


Maybe we should just start playing the games in big libraries.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2005, 07:35:20 pm
There was similar warning given to the McMurry students in the South End Zone at the McMurry-HPU game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2005, 07:42:00 pm
The NCAA rulebook states:

Rule 9-2/Conduct of players and others subject to rules
SECTION 2.  NONCONTACT FOULS
UNSPORTSMANLIKE ACTS
ARTICLE 1.  There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct or any act that interferes with orderly game administration on the part of players, substitutes, coaches, authorized attendants or any other persons subject to the rules, before the game, during the game or between periods.
a. Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
[laundry list]
b. Other prohibited acts include:
[...]
5. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6).
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. 15 yards [S7, S27] from the succeeding spot.

The question then becomes "are the Couch Cru [and other similar groups] subject to the rules?"  The NCAA rulebook states:

Persons Subject to the Rules
ARTICLE 6. All players, substitutes, replaced players, coaches, trainers, cheerleaders in uniform, band members in uniform, mascots in uniform, commercial mascots, public-address announcers, audio and video system operators, and other persons affiliated with the teams or institutions are subject to the rules and shall be governed by the decisions of the officials.

So, that might be why they're telling people to tone it down.   Certainly the intent of noise-making groups is to make it difficult for the opposing team to concentrate/hear what's going on. 

There are also general "crowd noise" rules, but this situation doesn't seem to fall under that set of rules.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 16, 2005, 08:35:56 pm
So tell the people own at Aggieland or at UT or anywhere else to pipe it down!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 16, 2005, 09:24:46 pm
are the guys in the endzone using anything other than their voice?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2005, 09:56:01 pm
I'm not defending the rule, only observing that it exists.

I have seen some of the end zone crews banging on stuff (barrels, etc). 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 16, 2005, 11:16:52 pm
I know at the trinity playoff game a few years ago barrells were not allowed because of the artificial noise maker rule.  I was thinking maybe them telling the groups to quiet down was a compromise allowing kids to have noise makers but not impacting the gameplay.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 16, 2005, 11:19:45 pm
If you can get a play off with the trains going by at Jackson Field in Alpine, you shouldn't have any problem with a bunch of guys banging on trash cans! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on October 16, 2005, 11:40:06 pm
Well, It's time for the report I promised after watching my 'Roos play  :(

IMHO, I think you can sum up the 'Roos problem in three words, "Little Team Speed".  As I thought from watching the scores and looking at the statistics, the defense probably executes well enough to win or at least be in more games, even though they are a little undersized up front.  However the offense has to rely on execution because they have no breakway backs or deep threats at receiver.  This allows other teams to play the run and short passing game.  When AC executes very well, they move the ball.  If they have any mishaps (penalties, sacks, etc.) it is hard for them to keep a drive going.  When they cannot keep drives going the defense is on the field too much and eventually even wears down to a Mississippi College that is also struggling on offense.  Time and time again in the second half, AC barely missed making a play in the secondary that led to a continuation of a MC drive. 

I know the team was very dissapointed after this weeks game. You guys that are reading this board, keep up your work ethic, continue to work hard and come to every practice as your coaches told me you were doing and remember the ultimate lessons you are learning in this great sport of football will stand you in great stead as fathers, husbands and leaders in your community.  And .....you never know, as evidenced the past two weeks in the D3 world, upsets do happen!

Congratulations to MC on their win.  They came back from and 11-0 deficit to win the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on October 17, 2005, 12:09:47 am
Part two of my report,

Ralph et. al,

I talked to several of my sources at AC.  Look for AC to play two ASC teams next year as well as one independent.  I do not feel it is right for me to divulge the teams before they are officially announced.  They are looking at only playing nine games next year to ease into the expenses of additional travel in the SCAC by all sports.  It appears that the substantial additional expenses have already been approved by the Regents.  According to my sources, the extra money is being thought of as marketing.  As I reported earlier, they are trying to use this exposure in other parts of the country to hopefully attract more students of the type most likely to attend an SCAC school.  Also, the teams we will be playing are many of the same teams other alumni and myself remember playing before the old TIAA and the forming of the ASC.  It is hoped that this familiarity with those schools might increase the base of giving for some alumni who will have more to relate to.   There is even a new sports logo to herald the change to the SCAC.

Over and over again the message was given to me that all athletics is important to the powers that be and they hope this move will benefit the athletic teams as well as increase the enrollment opportunities for the college in general.  Look for AC to pick up a second independent team in their second year of SCAC membership.

I was also told several times that AC has enjoyed its relationships with the other ASC schools but have felt for a while that the SCAC was a better fit for their philosophy.  They have their own niche in the schools of Texas and it is closest to Trinity of all the schools they currently play.

In closing, let me add that while I applaud the move to the SCAC, I do feel that there are still some changes that need to be made to support the coaching staff and the recruiting process.  We have to make the playing field more level, wherever we are, to really get competitive with the upper echelon of any conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2005, 12:21:34 am
roocru, thanks for the AC report.  The problem with an indepedent is the cost of the travel to reach the independent.

Huntingdon? -- Montgomery AL and getting tougher every year.
Colorado College?  -- C Springs, another airline flight or 16 hour bus ride.
SAGU? -- Mission and Vision of the SCAC vs the ASC vs. an NAIA scholarship school?
Westminster MO? -- Saint Louis area team, but very beatable.

There are no indepedents near here.

As fro increasing enrollment opportunites, is AC consdiering increasing the class size?  I understand that some coaches cannot get their recruits enrolled because the classes have filled.  Would they build more dormitories?  Very limited housing options in Sherman!

(Interesting question...is there an inverse relationship between fast-twitch muscle fibers and SAT scores?) ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on October 17, 2005, 12:29:34 am
Ralph,

Definitely no correlation between the two  ;D 

However, if AC is able to get more competitive, they may lose fewer recruiting battles of the kids with both to Trinity. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 17, 2005, 08:38:13 am
Any thoughts on UMHB-HSU this weekend?  It seems like the Cru are playing very good defense and the offense, for whatever reason, is struggling.  I think it will come down to turnovers, whichever team wins that battle will probably win the game.  That's been the case the last few games between the two.  If it is a high scoring game, the edge goes to HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justin ollie on October 17, 2005, 09:30:53 am
Its true, its true we squeaked by with one today!!! 38-13. 

Justin Ollie was right!!!!

Whatever!!!!  We killed em.  Slow in the beginning but fixed and played well in the second half. 

Well I hope so.  Did you see ETBU??  I only saw HSU play once this season and it was against HPU.  HPU was absolutely terrible and I thought that because HPU hung with HSU for most of the game that ETBU would give HSU a close game. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 17, 2005, 01:10:01 pm
I'm working in the Texas Tech Athletic Department while the Tulane student-athletes are in class here.  When the semester's over, I'm going back to New Orleans and I likely won't make it out here again, but I'm now getting ready for this year's biggest football weekend in west Texas.  For me anyway. 

People here are pretty fired up about Tech at UT.  Plans are already in place.  However, my plans have been in place for much longer, and they are to skip the Tech game, drive out to Abilene, and watch the Crusaders and Cowboys.  I played at Trinity so I'm familiar with both, and I can't wait!  I'm looking for four quarters of non-scholarship brutality...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 17, 2005, 01:25:23 pm
People here are pretty fired up about Tech at UT. Plans are already in place. However, my plans have been in place for much longer, and they are to skip the Tech game, drive out to Abilene, and watch the Crusaders and Cowboys. I played at Trinity so I'm familiar with both, and I can't wait! I'm looking for four quarters of non-scholarship brutality...

We welcome you in Abilene!  Two good things about Abilene: HSU has open wireless internet access so it is possible to monitor all important games.  2)  In the event one cannot pick up HSU's OpenRange, We also have Clearwire, a cell phone based broadband you can take anywhere in the city limits.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 17, 2005, 03:48:22 pm
TU2698,

Welcome to Cowboys and Indians Country!!!

I hope you get what you are hoping for from the UMHB-HSU game.

Please give us a report/opinion next week.  If you have the opportunity, meet Coach Jimmie Keeling---a class act.

I also hope the weather is a little cooler...it was HOT for the ETBU/Homecoming game!

Does anyone know if D3 will be there covering the game?


Cowboys fan in Washington, DC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2005, 03:54:14 pm
I do not know Ron Boerger's plans -- I'll let him speak for himself. I will say Keith McMillan and I looked into this trip and priced it out but couldn't make it work. We're finding that with both of us working the same day job it makes it easy to travel on Saturdays as long as it's driving. If it involves flying, we can't both be out of work on Sunday, so it limits where we can go. We have to be back in D.C. by about noon Sunday, which leaves out almost any trip that involves changing planes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 17, 2005, 04:01:11 pm
First of all TU2698 you and any HSU Fans attending the game are welcome to join us for a tailgate party.  It will be starting roughly around 11 (which I know is early for all you who get there at like 1:59 for a 2:00 kickoff) we will be doing Brisket and Ribs this weekend.  

My thoughts (or hopes) this weekend is a dominant HSU game.  As a fan (and former player) my mentality is to eliminate all playoff dreams for the Cru.  The players seem to have a different look in their eyes this week.  I realize it is Monday and we dont play till Saturday but many of the seniors seem to be ready to play.  Many at church on Sunday just looked at me and smiled and believe me what happened on Nov. 27 of last year has moved to the front of their brains.  A good week of practice and six weeks of warm up games, yea da boys will be ready to play @ 2:00 pm.  There has been a home curse the past couple years for both teams.  It would be nice to break that string this year.  

Good luck to the JV squads tonight as the Cowboys take on the CRU @ 6:00 in Abilene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 17, 2005, 04:05:37 pm
Minni let me know how that JV game goes tonight, B-Hop is calling the defense and looking for his third shutout. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 17, 2005, 04:10:18 pm
Oh yeah I almost forgot, (How about that Squeeker)!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2005, 04:15:57 pm
I've had this game on the wife-approved schedule since the beginning of the season.  Sure, it's the D3fb second string but I'll be there.   ;D

Looks like great football weather (http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=Abilene%2C+TX), subject to change of course:

Saturday through Sunday
Partly cloudy. Highs in the upper 70s. Lows in the mid 50s.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 17, 2005, 05:31:14 pm
Man Im glad i dont have that schedule yet!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 17, 2005, 06:10:55 pm
I just want to throw out that My Son will be playing JV tonight against the Cru.  Hope he does well!!!  I have to work tonight but the wife is filming for me!


Go #49~
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 17, 2005, 07:49:38 pm
Hey...to all the Monday posters (above),

Thanks for the information.  I wish we could get the results of the JV games.  I don't find it on the websites...

Good luck to #49!!!

If any of you go to the game, give us a report!

Branded for Life!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 17, 2005, 08:49:47 pm
So far the HSU JV:

Lost to New Mexico Military
Beat Howard Payne
Beat Cisco
Beat McMurry
Lost to ACU
Lost to Cisco

I think they could have beat New Mexico and ACU had they not played every player.  They have some guys that are not that good or are so young they still don't know what is going on.  For example Ryan Hinajosa played in the New Mexico game and was doing very well.  After a couple of series they switch in someone else.  Ryan is now on varsity as the back up.  Sure that JV time helped him establish himself.

It is good that everyone gets to play but it also limits the better ones.  It would be nice if they only took the first and second string players on the away games and then played them the entire game.  They would do a lot better as a team and the better players would get more experience.  My son gets about 16 plays or so each game.  It varies though and sometimes he gets a little more and sometimes a little less.  But I have seen some very good players on JV. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 17, 2005, 09:44:33 pm
HSU 24 UMHB 10


Handled business tonight, pretty close game tonight also!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 17, 2005, 09:54:39 pm
I told a few guys i'd post tonight but im just not feeling it.  And as I was reading im just not seeing much from the UMHB fans.  Come on tell us whats practice like this week, anything being said on campus, is anyone coming to the game?  Last week ETBU could have taken the conference outright but it seemed like the fans didnt really care much,  not much fan support. 

The JV teams played well tonight I thought.  Typical JV game some mistakes and fumbles but there was some head crackin going on.  The HSU O-line played the best id seen them play all year tonight.

That sucka Cutty better be ready this week.  This week will be the test of my three headed monster.  What will they do against the caliber of defense they havent faced all year.  (maybe UW-Stevens Point but i wasnt there)  Get ready Cowboys, hopefully ill be there ready and waiting friday night!!!!!(If they let me, thats just how I do)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 17, 2005, 11:57:30 pm
To all questions/comments regarding the post about the commissioner's suggestion.

I have been on umhb's couch cru for 5 years. The couch cru has grown amazingly and as it has, so has the noise produced from the crowd. I agree that the refs at Kyle Field never tell the fans to quiet down. I also know that this suggestion was made b/c of the noise the couch cru made during the MC game 2 weeks ago. In that game the referees had the power to calm us down if they felt that we needed it, however there was never a penalty thrown on us. In fact I talked to the head referee during halftime and it didn't seem like a big deal. I believe that this is taking away a home field advantage of sorts. Also, you make the rules before the season and you live with them. If D3 makes a rule of no artificial noise makers such as during playoffs, then all schools will be forced to abide by that, but there should never be a rule change in the middle of the season, especially around fan noise. You know when you go to play at a few stadiums in the ASC their is going to be lots of fan noise. Teams should know this and develop whatever means necessary to communicate.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 18, 2005, 12:00:10 am
Yes there will be fans at the hsu/umhb thriller on saturday. That seems to be a silly question seeing that some of us traveled on a bus to three games over 24 hours away. Plus we know that this is the game for umhb. If we lose it's over, if we win we have a chance at playoffs. Don't worry we will have fan support.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 18, 2005, 01:48:58 am
Zmotion,

It sounds like the JV is having a good year.  That is really good news.  The Cowboys always seem to bring in quality players.  I would think the JV would be extra strong if there weren't so many freshmen playing on varsity.  I've been around five years and can't remember this many freshmen contributing on varsity.

I feel your pain about PT.  Four years ago my wife and I took off work early and made a 4-1/2 hour trip to Abilene to see our son play on Monday night.  As luck would have it, we arrived a few minutes late and missed his 12 plays.  We did get to take him to dinner and then drove back home so we could be back at work the next morning.  I wish I could say it gets a lot better, but it still seems like quality PT is limited due to the outstanding talent 2 & 3 deep.  I guess if you can get used to it, it is a good problem to have.

Lets go COWBOYS, get a Crusader!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 18, 2005, 11:44:38 am
To all questions/comments regarding the post about the commissioner's suggestion.

I have been on umhb's couch cru for 5 years. The couch cru has grown amazingly and as it has, so has the noise produced from the crowd. I agree that the refs at Kyle Field never tell the fans to quiet down. I also know that this suggestion was made b/c of the noise the couch cru made during the MC game 2 weeks ago. In that game the referees had the power to calm us down if they felt that we needed it, however there was never a penalty thrown on us. In fact I talked to the head referee during halftime and it didn't seem like a big deal. I believe that this is taking away a home field advantage of sorts. Also, you make the rules before the season and you live with them. If D3 makes a rule of no artificial noise makers such as during playoffs, then all schools will be forced to abide by that, but there should never be a rule change in the middle of the season, especially around fan noise. You know when you go to play at a few stadiums in the ASC their is going to be lots of fan noise. Teams should know this and develop whatever means necessary to communicate.

I agree.  As a fan I like to make noise.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 18, 2005, 11:49:49 am
Zmotion,

It sounds like the JV is having a good year.  That is really good news.  The Cowboys always seem to bring in quality players.  I would think the JV would be extra strong if there weren't so many freshmen playing on varsity.  I've been around five years and can't remember this many freshmen contributing on varsity.

I feel your pain about PT.  Four years ago my wife and I took off work early and made a 4-1/2 hour trip to Abilene to see our son play on Monday night.  As luck would have it, we arrived a few minutes late and missed his 12 plays.  We did get to take him to dinner and then drove back home so we could be back at work the next morning.  I wish I could say it gets a lot better, but it still seems like quality PT is limited due to the outstanding talent 2 & 3 deep.  I guess if you can get used to it, it is a good problem to have.

Lets go COWBOYS, get a Crusader!!!!

How things never change.  That is exactly what we do with our son.  The game is fun and I'm sure all the players and their parents wish their son would get to play more.  But it is the dinner after the game --  that is where we get that quality time with him.  Talking about the game and the week's practice and having all of Dad's questions answered.  HSU is such a great University.  My poor son -- I have everything all planned out for him and he gets to hear it every Monday night.

I can't wait for him to get to play on Saturday.  Thanks for the insight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 18, 2005, 12:23:22 pm
Minni, sorry I cant make it.  We play in San Antonio on Sat.  I wish I could be there.  That tailgate sounds like a treat.
Noise makers should be allowed.  Its part of the game.  Sounds like it will be a great match up.  I hope one of the teams doesnt forget to show up.  When HSU makes the playoffs, I'll show.  I'll bring a couple other coaches with me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 18, 2005, 01:46:15 pm
Yes there will be fans at the hsu/umhb thriller on saturday. That seems to be a silly question seeing that some of us traveled on a bus to three games over 24 hours away. Plus we know that this is the game for umhb. If we lose it's over, if we win we have a chance at playoffs. Don't worry we will have fan support.

Stephen,  I will be flying to Abilene from Ottawa, Canada, to see the game.  No way I would miss this.  I think it is a must win for UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 18, 2005, 02:09:48 pm
Treat indeed but you just tell me when you will be here and ill throw you a freakin parade. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Phife on October 18, 2005, 02:17:38 pm
Prediction:

HSU-38
UMHB-24
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 18, 2005, 03:02:44 pm
Bill,

I think you are right. UMHB's back is against the wall. They will have to play up to their potential this week or it could get ugly. However, I am holding out hope for the Crusaders to respond to the pressure the way did last year. I would love for my two favorite teams to meet in the Stagg again. While the odds don't look too favorable for that to happen right now, they could be altered with a win this Saturday.

I will listen to most of the game via the 'net and then go and watch Linfield roll over UPS.


GO  UMHB - GO LINFIELD
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 18, 2005, 03:13:38 pm
UMHBalum-n-Catland,

I hope our defense will be able to force some turnovers.  UMHB will have to pressure the QB, just as we did last year.  The front four are very talented and I like the speed of the linebackers.  Lots of experience in the secondary.  Kubiak made 2 big interceptions in last years playoff game.  They will need that again.

The offense will have to control the game running the ball.  That was how we beat HSU last year and why we lost the regular season game in Belton.  Bryson needs a game like he had many times last year, so the O-line will have to be at their best.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 18, 2005, 03:35:43 pm
Bill,

Sounds like a solid game plan coach :)! Cheer on the Cru in my stead - or as my son likes to put it, "Say it loud and say it proud!"

Up with the purple!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Phife on October 18, 2005, 03:40:05 pm
Two hints for UMHB players and coaches...don't punt to May and play good run defense...HSU has killed many opponents by running all over them after having a 25 yard punt return.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 18, 2005, 03:54:44 pm
I'm pretty sure UMHB knows what to do and what not to do on special teams considering they have PJ Williams on their team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on October 18, 2005, 04:12:55 pm
Looking for TLU to get back on track, to many freshman to quick when they thought the game was won. Salinas had a solid game, to bad the score does not indicate how well the defense actually played. Long road trip to Mississippi this weekend. Hopefully they will play the entire game this week. ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 18, 2005, 05:32:20 pm
Bill,

Sounds like a solid game plan coach :)! Cheer on the Cru in my stead - or as my son likes to put it, "Say it loud and say it proud!"

Up with the purple!



Kelly,

My clan also has your clan covered.  My football hating wife is even donning the Purple Gold and White for this game.  Hope all is well in McMinnville.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 18, 2005, 06:12:47 pm
UMHB brought a pretty good crowd the last 2 games they played in Abilene.  Hope Saturday sees the same.  I think it is a great atmosphere, great stadium, etc.  I'm anxious to see the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: flyboy on October 18, 2005, 06:18:40 pm
HSU has only to play their game and stay focused.  There is no doubt that if that happens UMHB will go home with two losses for the season and out of the Stagg hunt. 
PS. I sure miss watching Matt play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 18, 2005, 10:21:32 pm
Yes up with the purple and gold indeed.  HOOYAH COWBOYS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 19, 2005, 12:37:59 am
I hope both teams play well.  Gotta believe HSU wins with a strong showing at home.  All phases of the game, dominated by HSU.  Great day to be young and a cowboy.  Hooyah Cowboys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 19, 2005, 08:54:08 am
Nice ATR column this week, Ron.  Sorry I won't be able to be there with you this time.  Have a good trip, though--and try to remember some of that culinary stuff I taught you last time!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 19, 2005, 10:55:17 am
What's the deal with CBS posting TLU scores during their D1 broadcasts?  I've seen it 2 weeks in a row.  These aren't little blurbs at the ticker on the bottom, these are large text boxes.  A TLU alum working for CBS perhaps?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2005, 10:57:40 am
There's a thread on this over on the General FB board.  Yes, Verne Lundquist is a TLU alum (from the scholarship era). 

Thanks for your comments, Josh.  Not sure I will have a whole lot of time to take in Abilene's haute cuisine this trip  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 19, 2005, 11:25:49 am
Joe Allen's off of Treadway.  Its the best.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 19, 2005, 11:27:15 am
Who is PJ Williams?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2005, 11:36:09 am
Who is PJ Williams?

Leading receiver for UMHB (17-377 w/5 TDs) and punt/kick return specialist (21-411/8-136).  See http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cfootball/Player_Rec.htm

Joe Allen's is tasty, no doubt about it.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 19, 2005, 12:02:16 pm
PJ Williams is a threat to go all the way in the kicking game and as a receiver.  Hope he has several big plays Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 19, 2005, 12:55:17 pm
Ronnie Ingles' has better steaks than Joe Allens.  Seriously, if you get a chance try it out.  On Treadway across from the country club.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 19, 2005, 01:06:07 pm
Brisket, potatoe salad, cole slaw and cornbread with a glass of sweet tea (if you arent having a cold duck) from Joe Allen's is pretty hard to beat
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 19, 2005, 01:12:07 pm
Toby (mhb8904),

I officially grant you and your family proxy to scream until hoarse for those of us who dwell far, far away in Catland.

Have you seen the Purple CRUsh T-shirts? Robby J. brought some out to the Willamette game for the family. They are great.

Things are fine in McMinnville. Weather is nice, cool and not too wet. Family is well.

Linfield is rolling along taking care of business. The Wildcat defense is a bit tougher this year and very opportunistic - forcing lots of turnovers. Of course the offense, with Air Elliot at the helm, is still scary good. Even when Linfield seems to struggle they put up 40+.

But enough about Linfield, the game of the week is the Purple CRUsh of UMHB invading Abilene to take on the Cowboys!

GO Purple CRUsh!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 19, 2005, 01:58:18 pm
No arguement about the Bar-B-cue at Joe Allens or the potatoe salad, it will allways be the best in Abilene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on October 19, 2005, 03:04:30 pm
Joe Allens is one of my favorite BBQ places....Harold's is also pretty good....just don't eat it before the game.....I guarantee you that you will have to make a pit stop an hour or so later   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justin ollie on October 19, 2005, 03:14:43 pm
Bee Hive in Albany is by far the best steak in that area.  Just make sure you keep your mom out of arms length if you take her with you.............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 19, 2005, 03:42:50 pm
I would like to hear some predictions for this small game this weekend
HSU vs UMHB
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 19, 2005, 03:44:08 pm
HSU 35
UMHB 14
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 19, 2005, 03:58:22 pm
BfB:

If I remember correctly, Lundquist's actual given name is [was?] Laverne, and I don't think he ever had a sidekick named Shirley.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on October 19, 2005, 03:58:55 pm
It pays to have Alumnist in high places, I wish Vern could help us keep our athletes, we have good freshmen in the program but you never know if they are going to come back year to year because of cost and little playing time. Hard to recruit when you see freshmen or sophmores at 90% of the positions
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 19, 2005, 04:02:49 pm
eagle (at Randolph AFB):

Are you saying there is some discontent in the Bulldog program?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 19, 2005, 04:07:21 pm
HSU 35
UMHB 14

I don't think so.  This game gets nuts sometimes, but I think its +/- 7 either way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 19, 2005, 04:10:05 pm
Hey how do you lose a karma point by talkin bout food? >:(

HSU 31
UMHB 17
you gotta let the kickers  have their fun.  
not to mention the Boys had some problems in the redzone on Saturday, but I'm pretty sure they will handle that problem before this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 19, 2005, 04:22:36 pm
Of the two teams, I have only seen UMHB play - the opener against Willamette. I have listened to some of each team's games the past few weeks. It seems to me, that to this point in the season, HSU has been playing better ball - more consistent, etc... IMO, for the Cru to prevail the game will need to be low scoring (that is unless the offense climbs out of the funk it has been in). So, let's try UMHB 17  HSU 10.

Purple CRUsh all the way!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 19, 2005, 04:36:15 pm
HSU hasn't been held to 10 points since the 1997 season--so that prediction just ins't gonna happen.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 19, 2005, 04:40:24 pm
UMHBalum,

I hate to be the bringer of bad news but this game is seldom low scoring.  
UMHB better bring the O.  
Not to mention, this is one of the best defensive units I have seen the Cowboys field in years.
 (That is really difficult for me to admit, by the way.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 19, 2005, 04:42:14 pm
Oops, Bowerman beat me to it.  (good stat ;D)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 19, 2005, 04:44:21 pm
I said that IMO the game will need to be low scoring for UMHB to win. Of course that opinion is predicated on the offense continuing to struggle. Hence, I am hoping the D will come up big and the Cru will prevail. It is more of a hope than a prediction  :). I am "predicting" from my Purple CRUsh heart.

I don't really have enough first hand knowledge to venture an educated prediction.  I live in McMinnville, OR. these days and follow Linfield. But my ultimate loyalty lies with UMHB - and I listen to them when I am able - and watch them when they come to Oregon or I happen to be in Texas.

The HSU v. Linfield series beginning next year should be interesting. The Cats will be good, but without Air Elliot at the helm, they lose a lot of offensive fire power.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 19, 2005, 04:50:03 pm
Hey how do you lose a karma point by talkin bout food? >:(


I've given up on Karma :P
When it comes and goes just doesn't make much sense sometimes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 19, 2005, 04:50:52 pm
Again with the Karma! >:(
Who is this Karma Nazi?
I bet you went to UMHB, that is your fault not mine. ;D

I understand UMHBalum point taken
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 19, 2005, 04:54:05 pm
MHB I appreciate the sympathy, please ignore the UMHB crack.
Unless your the Karma Nazi :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justin ollie on October 19, 2005, 05:01:36 pm
HSU hasn't been held to 10 points since the 1997 season--so that prediction just ins't gonna happen.

That was 1996 when they beat Midwestern 10-7.......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 19, 2005, 05:03:42 pm
Actually HsU beat HpU 10-9 in 2000
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 19, 2005, 05:07:57 pm
MHB I appreciate the sympathy, please ignore the UMHB crack.
Unless your the Karma Nazi :-\

I am not yet gifted with Karma Addition/Subtraction.

As for the UMHB crack. I went to UMHB, I go to Logsdon @ HSU and I'll say only this: Abilene is better than Waco (lived ther while finishing @ MHB), but I'd pick Belton over both any day of the week ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 19, 2005, 05:15:42 pm
I know nothing about karma, except that John Lennon once sang about Instant Karma.

Instant karma’s gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Pretty soon you’re gonna be dead
What in the world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you tryin’ to do
It’s up to you, yeah you

 :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUpt on October 19, 2005, 06:21:03 pm
HSU's defense is getting better and better each week.  They did a great job putting pressure on the QB last week (a pretty fast QB).  If HSU can play without turnovers and limit the penalties I see no reason why the Cowboys shouldn't win by 20 or so.

HSU 42
UMHB 21
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 19, 2005, 06:44:31 pm
I see this game as a close one. Hsu's D has struggled as they allowed SRSU to score points, a team that UMHB held to 6. Now UMHB also lost a close game to HPU and I think the HSU/HPU game wasn't even close. I also believe that HSU beat MC by just 14-0. I may be wrong on that, but I think I'm right.

So here's what we have.... A good Defensive ball club in UMHB who has a struggling offense until the 4th quarter. We have HSU who has proven that they can put up points, but the Defense has also allowed more points.

My prediction for the game is that it will be close. HSU is looking for revenge of last year's playoff defeat and UMHB is playing for a chance at the Stagg Bowl. So the prediction 28-24 UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 19, 2005, 07:53:06 pm
Stephen,

 HSU's D is giving up an average of around 14 points a game, same as UMHB. 
I don't consider that struggling do you, and they played MC in the middle of a stinking HURRICANE!!!
Lay off man
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 20, 2005, 12:25:56 am
Who knows which teams will show up?  I think if both teams are playing their best it's a dead heat.  Normally, you would give the edge to the home team.  However, when it comes to these two teams, it's been awhile since the home team won.  It would have been interesting to see the 2004 HSU team from the regular season play the 2004 UMHB playoff team.

However, these are two different teams playing under different circumstances.  HSU averages scoring just over 38 points per game and they give up just over 14 points per game.  UMHB averages scoring just over 36 points per game and they give up 15 points per game.  I haven't seen UMHB play so I can't speak for how well or poor they are playing but I know they will bring it all with them when they come.  I have seen HSU all year and I'm pretty sure the Cru should buckle their chin straps when they get here (ETBU can attest to that).

I picked HSU by 12 points in the pick-em contest so I guess I better be consistent.  HSU 36.....UMBH 24.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 01:42:21 am
ccowboyz1

I saw both games last year.  Suffered through one (I watched every painful second, thanks Jordan!) , euphoria through the other.  I think there are two big differences in this weeks game from either game lst year.  In game 1 MHB came in cocky, believing the press, wearing "Undefeated at home, we fixed that"  homecoming t-shirts, and I think they took HSU lightly, and when HSU popped them in the jaw they staggered and stayed off balance til near the end, but once they caught their balance, well we know what happened.  In game 2, I felt like a similar thing happened to HSU.  MHB had big "Mo" and HSU had already laid the smack down once, Will Galusha was hurt, but MHB showed up and pooped HSU and by the time they regrouped it was too late.  Neither of those two things happen this weekend.  MHB is grinding in the rough trying to save par (like the golf analogy?) and can't lose another game if they want to play in Late November, HSU can still taste the bitter after taste of last November.  I don't see either team showing up over confident, but I think both bring the best they have right now to the table.  That is why I think it is a +/- 7 game.

Now for me, the unknown is what is MHB's best?  I've seen them play this year, and they have had flashes of last years team.  Their D is the thing that's really doing it for them.  If the O that hung 60 on MC shows, the game will be a lot of fun to watch.  If the O that played TLU and only put 20 on HPU shows it could be painful to view from either side of the field.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 08:53:00 am
I laugh at the karma points.  Karma Nazi come get some.  I went to last years HSU - UMHB at belton game.  Yeah the cru wasnt ready.  The second game I missed but it sounds like the UMHB coaching staff did their job by readjusting.  Both teams bring in successful squads.  I believe you have to show that confidence.  Believe you will win and it will happen.  Hoorah Cowboys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 20, 2005, 09:14:05 am
I think the game will come down to turnovers.  Whoever wins the turnover battle will win the game.  If they are even, I think it will be tight.  Maybe it will come down to the final possession! Now that would be fun! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 09:30:30 am
dballa--

I stand corrected.  You are right about the 2000 HSU/HPU game.  Thanks for the reminder--I must be getting old. 

Actually, the last time HSU was held below 10 points was in 1997 vs. Westminster in the NAIA Semifinals.  HSU lost in a blizzard 10-0.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justin ollie on October 20, 2005, 09:35:47 am
The Westminister Semifinal was in 1993.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 10:04:14 am
Like I said, I must be getting old....   :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 10:09:55 am
To the Karma Nazi that apparently has issue with discussing HSU or MHB because he's gigging everyone who mentions either team. 

I'm probably thinking about you what you think I'm thinking about you!  Forgive me, please :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 10:13:03 am
To those interseted:

Here's a temple daily telegram article on Saturdays MHB-HSU game

http://www.temple-telegram.com/sports.php
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 10:26:00 am
I wouldn't mind the karma thing so much if you could see which member was giving the feedback.  At least you'd know who the bandit was. 

I suggest we smite everybody to get even!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 20, 2005, 10:32:40 am
Josh I applauded you to get you back to even par :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 10:54:12 am
josh,

But i can't smite yet!   :(
Otherwise I'd smite the smite-needing and reward the victomized ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on October 20, 2005, 11:20:02 am
Warren, no there is not a problem among the players, its just my opinion that when you have so many starters that are freshman and sophmores that it is hard for a new recruit to want to come knowing he is probably going to sit the bench for a couple of years before he gets a chance, and with the cost of going to TLU being what it is it is hard for future good players to stick around. Unlike DI where they are on are getting their education paid for, and I know this is just not a TLU problem and it happens to all DIII schools, it is just that TLU is so young up and down the roster.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 11:22:37 am
That's awfully Robin-Hoodish of you, umhb8904!

And since I'm down again, I think I'll use dballa's last post as a way of looking at the issue--like a golf score.  The lower the better, eh?   8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 20, 2005, 11:24:40 am
OK eagle. Thanks for the clarification ....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 20, 2005, 11:25:54 am
Josh in that case, sthrncwby is the Tiger Woods of the ASC :)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 11:28:52 am
Eagle--

Not to overstate the problem--because I agree with you that DIII tuition is expensive--but TLU and the rest of the ASC are pretty darn close to the cheapest you can get when talking about DIII schools and private higher education.  There are a lot of schools up where I live and work that the comprehensive fee (tuition, room, board, books, etcetera) is over $30,000 per year.  TLU looks pretty good at the roughly $24,000 they're charging compared to that!

Your rationale, IMO, is a more appropriate arguement against public schools being lumped in with privates at our level.  There, for in-state students, the disparity really gets hammered home.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 11:29:41 am
Hehehehe--good one, dballa!   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 20, 2005, 11:33:39 am
I don't know how to set up a poll on here but do want to ask, and i know it's not football related so don't blast me for asking:

Who is going to win the World Series this year?

I think it will be a very low scoring series with the White Sox winning in 6 even though I'm pulling for the Astros
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2005, 11:43:45 am
Thanks for bringing up the chatter. I wouldn't have noticed the karma bandit in our midst without it.

That poster's karma privileges have been revoked. He had 22 smites and one applaud in the past 12 hours.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 11:46:58 am
I don't know how to set up a poll on here but do want to ask, and i know it's not football related so don't blast me for asking:

Who is going to win the World Series this year?

I think it will be a very low scoring series with the White Sox winning in 6 even though I'm pulling for the Astros

Can I fantasize? Astros in 7 with Roger Clemens pitching a complete game 1-hitter in game seven for the 1-0 Houston win (Off Bagwell's 9th inning two out homerun) and for the series MVP.  ;D

And I'm not even a Houston fan ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 11:48:05 am
Thanks Pat!
 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 11:53:30 am
To any Prof that might be reading this wondering why I'm posting and not in class. . .

I'm sitting in front of the computer, waiting by the phone because my wife had a blowout coming back from Temple between Hamilton and Comanche and I was trying to work out the logistics of her getting a tire ot come home on.  She just called and is now on the road to Abilene :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 12:09:05 pm
The 'stros MUST prevail!   8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 12:10:23 pm
Big ups to Pat for crossing the 10,000 post plateau.  How do we all look from up there in that lofty territory?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 12:29:14 pm
I prefer Vijay Singh.  I can feel the Karma dropping. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 12:33:06 pm
Whoever does the karma thing, e-mail me privately if you will?  Let me know what the problem is.  I will remove the burr form your saddle, the thorn from your paw.  If you sit back and play with the karma thing anonymously, so be it.  But know that youre doing it with your skirt on, over your head, giving it up.  Those kinds of girls get no respect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 12:45:14 pm
Whoever does the karma thing, e-mail me privately if you will? Let me know what the problem is. I will remove the burr form your saddle, the thorn from your paw. If you sit back and play with the karma thing anonymously, so be it. But know that youre doing it with your skirt on, over your head, giving it up. Those kinds of girls get no respect.

If I could, I'd give you Karma for that post.  That's funny! :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUpt on October 20, 2005, 12:52:26 pm
I second that post mhb8904.  I lost my first karma point after giving my humble opinion on the score to this weekends game.  My first point deduction.  Kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  But please, please don't take another one.....how will I sleep at night!?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 20, 2005, 01:01:05 pm
Thanks Pat for downing the infamous karma nazi.
You better not pull up your skirt for 'em. 
Sthrn,
I used that quote last week and my kids had no clue what I meant. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 01:02:57 pm
I'm not here to tell jokes.  Only to build a monument to the o'holy karma god.  The krama lord giveth and the karma lord taketh away?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 01:06:20 pm
Oh looky, I am a second stringer now.  How glorious.  No jokes, I am proud to receive this honor.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 01:13:03 pm
STHRN,

I'm buckin' for starter.  I think I'm getting close.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 01:19:55 pm
Nice Hemingway quote, Tim.  You pick that up during your time abroad?   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 01:20:15 pm
Down in Mexico.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 01:28:00 pm
Pat can we know the identity of the previous karma lord so that we can ambush his palace and shoot him in the back like the tony montana that he was.  Hey, say hello to my little friend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 20, 2005, 01:28:35 pm
My Family and I will be in Abilene at about 12:00.  I have Chicken!!!  Looking for a Grill to put it on at the HSU Tailgate Party????  

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on October 20, 2005, 01:36:27 pm
I think he Astros win the series...6 or 7 games. 

MHB...you're dream of a Clemens 1 hitter in game 7 will most likely not be possible as I think he'll start game 1 and then again in game 5 (of course, if necessary). 

In that scenario you're probably looking at Roy O. in game 7 and based on his performance last night, I like those odds!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 01:48:42 pm
I say Houston in 4.  Yeah that's right, a sweep. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 01:50:52 pm
I think he Astros win the series...6 or 7 games.

MHB...you're dream of a Clemens 1 hitter in game 7 will most likely not be possible as I think he'll start game 1 and then again in game 5 (of course, if necessary).

In that scenario you're probably looking at Roy O. in game 7 and based on his performance last night, I like those odds!!

Yeah I know :P

How about Roger out of the Bullpen to pitch 5 perfect innings with Bags hitting the game winning HR with 2outs and a 3 & 2 count in the top of 19th inning of game 7
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 01:52:03 pm
Hemingway was better.   Mexico?  Figures.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 01:53:42 pm
allright, hold on, let em think.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 02:01:21 pm
My favorite has always been:

"Without struggle, there is not progress." -- Frederick Douglass

You could do worse than Patton, though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 20, 2005, 02:03:59 pm
Z Motion we are tailgating in the parking lot of the Fieldhouse next to the police station.  You and your family are more than welcome to bring it there.  It may only be students but you are more than welcome to join us.  You should buy your Purple Out shirts also for the game.  

The game this weekend is going to be crazy.  There are people coming in from everywhere to see this.  I have friends that are coming from tech to watch the game.  I just hope it lives up to the hype.  Ehhhh I want to say Cowboys by 50 but i know people will be in an uproar in here about that so.....Cowboys win is my prediction!

Sorry Cwbyfann and sthrncwby i have dropped the ball this week on posting, ive been sulking about my intramural championship loss in football this week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 02:05:27 pm
Here you go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 20, 2005, 02:07:28 pm
Wow man quoting Patton!
It appears he's an educated man, now I really hate 'em
(Doc Holliday)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 20, 2005, 02:07:46 pm
Leave my Karma the way it is.  I am proud of my earnings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 20, 2005, 02:11:51 pm
Minni,

You can say Cowboys by 50 if you want, noones going to get their shorts in a wad.  Hey, I'm even getting a couple of the Purple Out shirts for me and the family.  Of course I'll be wearing a Purple Crush shirt on Saturday. ;D

It's like I told J Neal on the first day of class, "On October 22 when I'm yelling for people to hurt you, its all in love man.  Nothing personal"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 20, 2005, 02:22:06 pm
Just for the hell of it, Tim.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 20, 2005, 02:30:11 pm
Z Motion we are tailgating in the parking lot of the Fieldhouse next to the police station.  You and your family are more than welcome to bring it there.  It may only be students but you are more than welcome to join us.  You should buy your Purple Out shirts also for the game.  

The game this weekend is going to be crazy.  There are people coming in from everywhere to see this.  I have friends that are coming from tech to watch the game.  I just hope it lives up to the hype.  Ehhhh I want to say Cowboys by 50 but i know people will be in an uproar in here about that so.....Cowboys win is my prediction!

Sorry Cwbyfann and sthrncwby i have dropped the ball this week on posting, ive been sulking about my intramural championship loss in football this week.

Minni:

Will do.  Can't wait. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Phife on October 20, 2005, 02:55:52 pm
I hate the fact that I am unable to be in Abilene Saturday.

I was there last week though and was thoroughly impressed with the team.  The HSU students though left something to be desired.  When I was a student (4 years ago) we were loud and rowdy.  We stood the whole game.  We were interested, even in blowouts.  But that was then and boring, uninterested students are now.

I am sad.   :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUpt on October 20, 2005, 03:47:35 pm
Phife,

As sad as it is to admit, you're right about the lack of noise from current students.  I'm currently a graduate student here at HSU so I can remember the good old days of the noisy, up on their feet student section.  I'm not sure what the problem is.  I think that a lot of the students here just don't realize they have some of the best college football in the country being played right in their backyard.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Phife on October 20, 2005, 05:03:25 pm
That is true HSUpt about their ignorance to great football but there are two additional problems (in my humble opinion).  One is that the game is a social gathering for so many of the students.  Half of them turn their backs on the game to talk to one another...what a shame!  The second problem is the disbanding of the Redneck Posse.  Those fools were the catalyst for the students; but now it appeared to me that they were down to one lonely posse memeber (can one guy be a posse?) and he was lame at best.

Hopefully the students will do a better job of cheering this weekend; better yet, maybe they will cheer so loudly and obnoxiously that the UMHB players will be distracted.  One can dream can't he?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 21, 2005, 10:24:45 am
Hopefully the students will do a better job of cheering this weekend; better yet, maybe they will cheer so loudly and obnoxiously that the UMHB players will be distracted. One can dream can't he?

What, afraid MHB will bring the A-game so they need to be distracted?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 21, 2005, 10:44:39 am
Fans can cheer as loud or soft.  UMHB gonna get beat anyway you like it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Phife on October 21, 2005, 11:25:43 am
Hopefully the students will do a better job of cheering this weekend; better yet, maybe they will cheer so loudly and obnoxiously that the UMHB players will be distracted. One can dream can't he?

What, afraid MHB will bring the A-game so they need to be distracted?

Hey, if the game was in Belton the Cru would be yelling and trying to be obnoxious too.  That's why they call it home field advantage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 21, 2005, 11:52:32 am
I know everbody is focused on THE GAME, but can we get some predictions on the rest of the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 21, 2005, 11:58:05 am
CwbyFann,

You will find plenty on the ASC pick-em board.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 21, 2005, 12:13:47 pm
OHHHHHH, gray fox told you cwbyfann
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 21, 2005, 12:19:22 pm
I guess I got learnt :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 21, 2005, 12:19:56 pm
who else is playing this week?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 21, 2005, 12:51:36 pm
None of the other games matter that much to me either, but I would still like to know what everbody is thinkin (I'm bored).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 21, 2005, 12:54:19 pm
Thanks for the tip Foxx
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2005, 01:07:59 pm
Cwby Fann,

One slight correction...

Redd Foxx was the comedian.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0289359/

Gray Fox is a football prognosticator and D3 football aficionado.  :D

Travel safely to Abilene, one and all!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2005, 01:18:57 pm
None of the other games matter that much to me either, but I would still like to know what everbody is thinkin (I'm bored).

LC at ETBU (homecoming)
McMurry at Sul Ross
AC at HPU
TLU at MC
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 21, 2005, 01:36:50 pm
Thanks Ron
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 21, 2005, 01:47:17 pm
ETBU over LC
McMurry over Sully
HPU over AC (college leaving)
TLU over MC

HSU over UMHB - Game of the week - 21 points
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 21, 2005, 02:00:13 pm
With the exception of the HSU vs UMHB game its not exactly a tough week to call is it :-\
No real question in that game either Go Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 21, 2005, 02:07:12 pm
Game of the week?
How about biggest game in the land!

Bbest GA in the land - Skids
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 21, 2005, 02:10:45 pm
sorry best is spelled with one "b" boys
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 21, 2005, 02:31:24 pm
I actually think the McM-SRSU game will be one that is between two fairly equally matched teams.  Both are much improved.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 21, 2005, 03:04:42 pm

Minni,

Read your email.  I just sent you something. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 21, 2005, 03:43:57 pm
Josh,
That was my thinking.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 21, 2005, 04:12:29 pm
Minni, I too left you a message.  Call me Sat. for updates
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 21, 2005, 06:57:28 pm
What's the weather going to be like tomorrow in Abilene?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 21, 2005, 07:05:17 pm
What's the weather going to be like tomorrow in Abilene?

Perfect! mostly sunny, High in the mid 70's.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 22, 2005, 12:26:53 pm
Mcm beats Sully by 17
But its all about the Cowboys today, anyway. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 22, 2005, 12:29:50 pm
HS  HS  U U,  HS  HS  U U!!!
Sorry, my wife was a cheerleader ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 22, 2005, 01:29:24 pm
It's all about the Game cwbyfann.  Good luck to everyone.  We're in the pkng lot and eating Pizza!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 22, 2005, 01:42:01 pm
Toby,

Say it loud and say it proud!

We will be wearing our Purple CRUsh shirts and cheering from the Left Coast.

Go CRU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 22, 2005, 01:46:26 pm
Will do Kelly!  The Couch Cru just showed up with barrels. 73 minutes til start!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 22, 2005, 01:58:48 pm
Wish we were there... tell anyone and everyone from UMHB that the Boggs Bunch says hi!!!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2005, 05:20:32 pm
A bench clearing after the last Villegas INT for McM.  One SRSU lineman throws a punch after Villegas is tackled and then the benches empty.

Referees allow McM to runout the clock.  The McMurry announcers assume that the SRSU coaches pull their team off the field, so no post-game handshakes.

We will find out the Commissioner's decision next week on any suspensions.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on October 22, 2005, 05:33:31 pm
Nicely done Crusaders.
Thanks for the work Ralph. You almost got me interested in that Mc game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2005, 05:56:10 pm
DensLA, thanks for the kind words.  Both teams have improved and have very good athletes.  SRSU's Givens was qualfied for the NCAA's in the 100 meters (10.64 secs) and 21' 8.25" in the Long Jump. last year.

I got the impression that it was great efforts by both squads.

Ty Sellers is an incredible athlete.  He needs some more experience and depth in the O-line.  The ASC seems to have tightened.  The new programs have placed the emphasis on getting successful and it appears to have happened.  There is incredible talent in Texas high school football by players who are too light or too short or one step too slow for D1, but whose fundamental skills are excellent.  All of these teams are very young with lots of freshman players, so having a good JV is critical.  By one season of D3 ball, they either realize that it is time to get their education and they move on or they have settled in for the long haul. 

ASC D3 football is less than a decade old as opposed to the OAC, MIAC, IIAC or the NWC/Columbia Football Assn.  (HSU restarted football in 1990, MC moved up to D3 in 1996, TLU resumed in about 1997, UMHB new in 1998, ETBU and LC resumed after decades absences since then.)  Good programs will develop over the next decade as D3 football becomes extremely viable.  I wish that Schreiner would resume football and Concordia Austin would add.  I don't think that UOzarks has ever had football, but there are no options for D3 or non-scholarship in Arkansas.

The highest compliment that could be paid to ASC football would be for our 2 loss "tri-champ" to win the Stagg Bowl. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on October 22, 2005, 06:18:28 pm
Sounds like all who predicted an HSU blowout had there scores backwards...the second string QB probably hadn't seen a D like UMHB's before
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2005, 06:25:32 pm
Or HPU's Adam Johnson is a better QB than HSU's Jordy Bernhardt. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 22, 2005, 06:31:35 pm
MHB's D looked really strong.  Much better than they did against TLU.  The people sitting around me said this looked like a different team from the last few games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 22, 2005, 06:42:11 pm
Say it loud and say it proud! GO UMHB!

How about that Purple CRUsh defense? They came up like I thought they could - I predicted UMHB 17 HSU 10. The offense is starting to look like the CRU we saw last season.

One game at a time CRU... keep it up and get in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 22, 2005, 06:43:41 pm
Ut is blasting Tech right now...former HPU DB Khalid Naziruddin had one of the early interceptions for Tech.  Good to see him playing well, definitely miss him on defense here at HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PurpleHSUAlumna on October 22, 2005, 07:16:19 pm
There are two (2) reasons why Hardin-Simmons lost today. 1. Stupidity, 2. Bernhards inability to be a team player. Check the states and see how many penalities/yards occured that pushed UMHB closer to the end zone. Late hit after late hit caused HSU to forget about who they are. It was embarassing to watch the train wreck for four quarters as guys would take cheep hits and become a disrespect not only to the fans but to their teammates. As I looked across the crowd, heads hung low in shock and disgust wondering, thinking this might not be the year for HSU. As being a part of the group that started when the same rivarly began, I couldn’t understand the same uncertainity myself.
I am certain that a large part to do with the whole year’s confusion so far, is how the Boys are winning when their quarterback isn’t capable of seeing down the field or his teammates. He doesn’t understand the plays and second guesses it when the ball is snaped. Then he holds it too long and eats it. That is partially not his fault since the O-line forgot this is college ball and not peewee league where we better be careful or we’ll hurt some one-type attitude. I guess they wanted a Fall Break like the rest of the school.
There were brief moments when there was a glimmer when HSU scored or we got some good first downs. But then what would happen? You guessed it. Yellow flag would come flying out because HSU lost their minds and get a late hit penalty and then have Keeling in their face.
I’ll give UMHB credit, they do have a great running game. It was amazing to see you guys run right down the middle. You looked more relax and it paid off. HSU just looked spastic not knowing what to do. At least it wasn’t Homecoming, uh UMHB ;)? Well at any rate HSU needs to get their act together. McMurry isn’t going to be a cake walk like it has been in the past. Their win today might give them something to go on for next Saturday. I’m looking forward to the night game though. Finally might feel like football season. Go Go HSU!!!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 22, 2005, 09:02:08 pm
One thing I noticed before the game.  UMHB has about a 6" height advantage per man.   HSU has width, but not height. 

Stupidity was not the difference today.  UMHB has a superior football team.  The game was not as close as the score might suggest.   Who knows how good the HSU quarterback might have been if the UMHB was blockable?  In fairness, he didn't help himself by running backwards and failing to throw the ball away, but one team was finesse and the other physical.  The physical team absolutely outclassed the Cowboys today and I would say 6 out of 7 days, they would do exactly the same.  HSU didn't make it past mid field until late in the third quarter.   It was utter domination from the very beginning and it really lasted until the end.

One other thing I noticed was that HSU receivers don't run forward as much as they dance around. 

All that said, it was good to be around fans that don't consider the shortcomings of their football team as the end of the world.  Players got hugs and overall, everyone was very supportive after a really ugly game.  Good people, beautiful day.  I was happy to be there, my first trip to Abilene.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bulldog33 on October 22, 2005, 09:04:32 pm
This was THE worst game i have ever sat through.....PurpleHSUAlumna hit the nail right on the head. i dont know what was going on today. i had to take my rings off for this one. All we did all game was walk out on the field, turn around and bend over.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 22, 2005, 09:33:03 pm
Hats off to the Crusaders.  A complete and total trip to the woodshed today.  Really hard to be a HSU fan now.   :'(

Hopefully, HSU will be able to use this as motivation to go on the same type of run UMHB did last year.  I hope so--because performances like today just aren't acceptable.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 22, 2005, 09:33:50 pm
TU2698,

I appreciate the observations.

I am a long way from Texas and only on rare occassions do I get to watch UMHB play. I listen to at least part of every game. Today I listened to the first half before leaving to watch Linfield. If I didn't have season tickets, I might have stayed home to listen to the entire HSU game. However, I was receiving phone calls updating the Cru's second half progress.

Considering the past two seasons (fully aware there is still a lot of football left to play this year) , it seems as if these Crusaders are more comfortable with the underdog role when it comes to big games. When their backs are against the wall they show up big time.

The playoffs began for the Cru this weekend. Every game matters and I think they know it. They certainly played like it today!

I am still holding out hope the Cru can manage a rematch with Linfield.  For this alumnus, that would be very sweet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 22, 2005, 09:36:36 pm
Hey Josh you were right when you said McM/SRSU was going to be one of the better games of the day...at least better in scoring and more excitement...seemed like there were quite a few games that were close...a few upsets around the nation...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 22, 2005, 09:39:15 pm
Thanks, dballa.  How 'bout that LC/ETBU game, huh?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 22, 2005, 09:42:33 pm
That was very surprising too although LC's offense has shown it can be pretty good and ETBU has been squeaking by in a lot of their games. 

and then there's the TLU/MC game...What was the deal with Salina's?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on October 22, 2005, 09:45:16 pm
Playoff Question:  

Assuming both teams win out (and I know that could be a large assumption) how will home field be determined for the playoffs?  

I realize that HSU would get the auto bid and UMHB a Pool C but considering that was due to playing less games and UMHB has the head to head victory, would UMHB get to host a game in the playoffs?  What about a possible rematch?

Although, home field hasn't been to friendly between HSU/UMHB recently!!

Anyone have thoughts?...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 22, 2005, 09:56:28 pm
Just thought I'd drop some info on Shaun Rochon, former UMHB WR now at Baylor.  He's having a big game against the Sooners: 1 reception for 7 yds and a TD, 3 Kickof returns for 130yds and a TD.  Go Shaun.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 22, 2005, 10:01:00 pm
On behalf of all HSU fans out there, could we pesuade our Baptist brethren to offer PJ Williams a scholarship, too?   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on October 22, 2005, 10:17:41 pm
Wow, come on HSU fans, life is about cycles. No one stays on top forever and no one is on the bottom.  Everything in life comes and goes full circle.  In the mid and late 70's at Abilene High, when Mojo came to town you could only hope to score and that they didn't run the score up. We hoped to hold them to 40 or so points, now look how the tables have turned, but I still supported the eagles all those years. We went 15 years before we beat Cooper. So its one game, maybe it isn't your year, maybe the reign is over, it'll be back. You shouldn't give up and don't be fair weathered. Sometimes a better team on that day wins, life goes on and life is good!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 22, 2005, 10:19:17 pm
I don't think there would be a rematch in round one, Clay.  

Here's what I think, assuming both HSU and UMHB are able to win out:

UMHB gets to host a team from the middle atlantic area--possibly Thiel or W&J.  HSU gets sent on the road to play Trinity.  Winners would play each other, vis-a-vis the "Texas sub-bracket" from previous years.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 22, 2005, 10:20:57 pm
Bite your tongue, Josh  :)! <--- in reference to the PJ Williams comment.

We know that some DIII schools have benefited greatly from DI transfers. The most prominent is Linfield. However, I don't hear too much talk about the DIII programs who lose players to DI schools. I read on a earlier post that HPU has a former player playing DI. With the cost of tuition rising, I suppose it is a reality some DIII schools will always have to navigate.

Imagine if Rochon were still playing for UMHB. One more threat would really make the Cru offense tough to defend.

Ahh, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 22, 2005, 10:33:43 pm
I can imagine Shaun and PJ on opposite sides, or as the two backs fielding punts........ ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 22, 2005, 10:37:36 pm
Just got back home from the UMHB-HSU game.  The Crusaders set the tone for the game on the first two possessions.  I was not expecting the difference in team speed.  UMHB was clearly the faster of the two teams, at least today.  Also, HSU had too many penalties.  I thought a lot of those were from losing their composure a bit.  Great win for UMHB, but they still face a dangerous ETBU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on October 22, 2005, 10:39:07 pm
I don't want to hear any excuses from HSU fans or players. HSU got dominated in every aspect of the game today. UMHB's defense manhandled a weak HSU offense and UMHB's offense started playing together and showed what they are capable of. The more and more i visit HSU the more respect I lose for them. It is real sorry when a group of females can't go to the bathroom without being harrased by guys who are mad because they are on the sideline and not in jerseys. I hear UMHB's lockeroom was being raided by a theif while UMHB was taking care of business on the field. Ex HSU players being arrested for public intoxication and so many cheap shots and late hits at the end of the game. What happen to taking a good butt kickin with a little class. I find it funny that one guys sign before the game said "at least we didn't loose to HPU" then when HSU was down by 20+ the sign read "cheaters". I tell you, HSU just can't lose with a little class, can they. I think HSU needs to build bathrooms and concession stands on the visitors side so UMHB fans and other fans don't have to be harrassed while going to the restroom. Classless I tell you. I really thought more of HSU before today.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 22, 2005, 10:43:59 pm
It felt alot better to be a Crusader today than it did in past weeks, the defense and o-line played a great game, and allowed the offensive speed to get to the outside and do what they do.

I find it hard to blame your quarterback when he's running for his life all day long, and I'm not even sure if you can blame the linemen for that or not. UMHB has some big d-linemen, and were blitzing the right safties and outside linebackers at the right time.  If you want to make excuses (and most of you are not on here doing that,so i am speaking mostly to purpleHSUalumna), that's fine, I will give this victory to the UMHB defense.HSU did not beat themself, they got beat by a better team today. They'll probably get another chance in 6 weeks. Let's hope they show up for the rest of the season.

Go CRU !
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 22, 2005, 10:58:59 pm
Baylor and OU are going to OT
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 22, 2005, 11:35:02 pm
Crualum04,

First off as an alum of HSU...I apologize for a handfull of classless people that painted a bad picture of HSU for you and others today. Please dont get on this board though and bash HSU as a whole because of this experience because I can tell you from personal experience with your university and others, there have been "classless" acts experienced before as well...and unfortunately there will be again...unfortunately there are always going to be a handful of people who show their true colors in situations like this...but you getting on this board and bringing that up in hopes to smear HSU is not smart and honestly not going to help anything at all.

You all won on the field and its a shame that crap like that has to take place by some JV football players and whoever else was involved...but like I said it happens...fans are fans...no matter what colors they bleed...not making excuses...please read that...but bashing a university on whole for a group of morons...is just rediculous. Hats off to a great UMHB football team...you play between the lines...even when there are idiots outside of the lines making rediculous comments...best of luck to you the rest of the way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Phife on October 22, 2005, 11:37:11 pm
Wow...I was certainly surprised by the UMHB win.  Not only did I think they were going to lose...I thought is was going to be bad!  So much for predictions...

Oh, and Baylor and OU are going into double OT now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 22, 2005, 11:51:10 pm
hm, I was speaking to one situation about one certain person, and I said "that doesn't speak well for an HSU diploma"....didn't realize that would get erased by moderators, for those of you who missed it's five minute life span. We spend hundreds of posts talking about astros, whether or not the coaches are running up the score, the official points of who and when and where you are allowed to hit trash barrels, of if you're allowed to hit trash barrels. I however am not allowed to speak about things that happen at the football game.

For anyone offended by my statement I'm truly sorry, I'm a Christian Ministry major with many friends at HSU outside of the context of football, I've seriously looked at going to seminary there and really think highly of the university. I'm glad we can enjoy great rivalries and think great things of most of the fans. I'm sorry if you take everything said about one situation personally and consider it a testament to your own character.

I might not have pointed that whole situation out, had I not returned to my truck that had two gallons of barbeque sauce baked onto the bed. It now smells atrocious and has an unsightly stain because my parking sticker was different from yours. I'm the rediculous idiot ? Thanks friendly tailgaters.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 22, 2005, 11:58:44 pm
Look stuff like this happens...does it make it right? Nope not at all...but you or me posting about it on this board isnt going to make anything better at all...but in fact makes it worst. If you are looking at HSU for a seminary...its sad that you let again a football game and its fans determine that. Bottom line is this rivalry has become heated in the past few years...and yes its rediculous when fans...fans...not players...but fans become "6'8 250" and think they can run the world...as far as classless players...I can ASSURE you that Coach Keeling will handle those separately.

Again sorry your experience at HSU was less than cordial ... but again it is not the makup of our university...just like the bench clearing brawl at your soccer game is the makeup of your university...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 23, 2005, 12:01:03 am
just like the bench clearing brawl at your soccer game ISNT the makeup of your university...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 12:05:19 am
Crukid,

I highly recommend Logsdon.  I've enjoyed my time so far, and hopefully will get to continue enjoying my time.  Sorry about the BBQ sauce that was just uncool.

As for the classlessness of HSU:

I see, go to school and church with, and work with HSU people daily.  There are some that are obnoxious, as there are with any school, but on the whole, they are a good group of folks.  Jordan Neal is one of the classiest football players I've ever met and would hate to have him or myself (a Logsdon Seminary student and MHB alumn class of 2004) lumped in to the classless category.  Lets just call jerks jerks not whole groups of people.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 23, 2005, 12:08:47 am
1. This football game did not make my decision for where I will or will not go to seminary, and would not make that decision. 2. I'm still looking for where I attacked the make-up of your university. 3 If you weren't sitting in the stands, and didn't see a life threating close line (it's not that difficult to crush a wind pipe of a soccer player running full speed who doesn't have the precious luxury of pads and a helmet) by someone from a school you've never heard of, you probably shouldn't mention the ensuing situation. 4. If I pay $60 for gas to travel to a game, and spend all day doing that traveling, there's a good chance that that time and that money meant something to me and I'm probably going to discuss the events of that game. I can stop talking about this situation and start talking about how your quarterback was running for his life all afternoon if you prefer that discussion.

Once again, I didn't call any group of people jerks. I encountered many classy people in the Popeye's, parking lot, and restroom stalls.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 23, 2005, 12:13:42 am
See Crukid...

1.) you are a pretty big person for being able to get on here and talk crap...man I hand it to you...you are starting to prove that you are no better than the fools that gave HSU a bad wrap.

2.) I never said that YOU were attacking...rather in particular...its a pointless argument

3.) Been in the stands and on the field many of times to know first hand the life of a soccer player...

4.) A pointless argument that everyone who was at the game is well aware of. UMHB won the game today...and yes you could probably post all night on here about how Jordy ran for his life...and that would be great to read but we already watched it happen.

UMHB won...they are a better football team...and until we(HSU) prove that or anyone else for that matter they are still the better team...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 23, 2005, 12:16:02 am
5.) the bathroom stalls are quite nice at the local popeyes  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on October 23, 2005, 12:17:52 am
I apologize for "bashing" all of HSU. This wasn't just a one time experience. The same happened last November and in 2003. I am starting to think that it isn't just a few jerks. It's a shame when young ladies get disrespected anywhere. Especially at a football game between two "Baptist" Universities. I guess it wasn't your female companion that was disrespected, therefore you don't understand how I feel. Anyways, I think that UMHB needs to win out then they can worry about the playoffs. ETBU, McMurry and AC still stand between you and the playoffs. Yall go to work tomorrow, but celebrate tonight.  Go Cru!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 23, 2005, 12:20:09 am
crualum04...good point and yes that is horrible...and I would be pissed as well if i were in your shoes...I wish I could assure you it wouldnt happen again...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2005, 12:28:27 am
hm, I was speaking to one situation about one certain person, and I said "that doesn't speak well for an HSU diploma"....didn't realize that would get erased by moderators, for those of you who missed it's five minute life span. We spend hundreds of posts talking about astros, whether or not the coaches are running up the score, the official points of who and when and where you are allowed to hit trash barrels, of if you're allowed to hit trash barrels. I however am not allowed to speak about things that happen at the football game.

Crukid, if you think the crack about the diploma was what got it pulled, you're mistaken. It was ... well, the unsubstantiated allegations in the entire rest of the post.

Plus, you misspelled the word "grammar" in the sentence about your feelings of the value of the diploma. Was trying to save you the embarrassment.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 23, 2005, 12:30:15 am
i'm still looking for where my discussion of the experience turned into "talking crap"...if I had wanted to do that I could've stood there in my end of the endzone and conversed with the guys next to me yelling obscenities and belittling my mother because I showed up to cheer for my team, the same folks who were more than happy to point out to me personally that they had acheived a first down with 6 minutes remaining in the fourth quarter of a blow-out...crualum discusses his experience and gets "good points" and apologies...i'm a crap talker, maybe it's the word kid in my screen name. I should change it to cruelderlygentlemen.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 23, 2005, 12:31:47 am
Pat...that was awesome.

best of luck the rest of the season cruKID.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on October 23, 2005, 12:32:23 am
My thoughts on the HSU/UMHB:

UMHB's defense was really good.  like another poster stated the coaching staff blitzed at the right times with the right players.  HSU has a great bunch of receivers.  However the qb couldn't get the ball to them as he was running for his life.  He also held the ball too long and took sacks when he could have thrown the ball away.  I'm sure he just didn't want to chance an interception.  Nevertheless UMHB's defense looked great.  

UMHB's offense also looked very good.  However in defense of HSU's defense, UMHB started half of their drives inside HSU territory.  This was due to several factors.  1) penalties, 2) loss of field position by HSU due to the sacks 3) great and I mean great punt coverage by UMHB.  Special teams were awesome by the CRu.  Held our guys all day save one great return by May that was called back (penalty).

UMHB looked like a championship team today.  HSU was dominated, no question about it.

The good news.  HSU still has a chance to win the conference and make the playoffs. So we have to shake this off and not take anything for granted.

On a side note:  before the game I grilled with Minni and had a great time visiting with the HSU students.  Thanks for the use of the Grill!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 23, 2005, 12:35:11 am
It will be interesting to see what adjustments the coaching staff makes after a performance like that. I mean in his defense this was his first "big game" as the starter but thats all that is left..."big games"...HSU from here on out has to step up and find a way to win...at this point in the year there are no second chances.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 23, 2005, 12:36:35 am
Thanks Pat, that would have been embarassing. Apparantly my Texas drawl has a way of sneaking into my writing, if I grew up in the North I would know that's an a and not an e in grammar. If my allegations are unsubstantiated you can go talk with Officer White about the whole incident but one of my roommates had to give a written report on the incident (causing us to remain another half an hour before we could leave) and another has to go back to Abilene to testify in court. I can promise you I told no lies.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on October 23, 2005, 12:37:37 am
Interesting reading the discussion about bad behavior at the UMHB-HSU game.  As Ralph Turner pointed out earlier here, from the radio coverage of the McM-SRSU game, it sounds like that match ended in a near riot.  Was anyone actually there who can explain what happened?  The McM radio announcers said that as soon as the game was over, the SRSU coaches ordered their players into the locker room; they were afraid that if they returned to the field to shake hands with McM, the usual post-game courtesy, they would start another brawl.  Compared to this, what happened at HSU sounds like small potatoes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 12:43:39 am
Crukid,

All may be true, but Pat really can't allow that on the board.  Unitl something is ruled on, it's just an allegation.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 23, 2005, 08:39:14 am
The punting game for UMHB was huge.  Time after time they got off great kicks that kept HSU from getting good field position.  An outstanding performance.  I still can't get over how the UMHB defense swarmed HSU all day long.  The speed difference was really surprising.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 23, 2005, 09:50:56 am
http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/51020mediaaward-huston.htm

on a happier note, congrats to Dallas Huston on winning this award.  He's been the voice of HPU and Brownwood sports for a long time.  He's a great radio announcer, great person and a great Christian man.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 23, 2005, 10:10:02 am
dballa, I saw your quote at the bottom of your post.  I prefer to think of 4 seasons relating to football:  Preseason, Regular Season, Post Season and Off season. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 23, 2005, 10:21:17 am
Bill , as much as i love college football, college basketball is my life :)

I figure if you're going to be a successful program you should make the Pre. and Post. season part of your Regular season.

(for those that have to pull out a dictionary everytime they see a word with more than one syllable, i'm using this definition for the word regular:  customary, usual, or normal)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on October 23, 2005, 11:26:56 am
Heck of a UMHB - HSU game.   Atmosphere was great
Saw last weeks game against SR and UMHB just did enough to get by, almost making HSU think they could beat UMHB. Great coaching ploy by Coach Pete.

 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on October 23, 2005, 12:51:48 pm
Coaching ploy by UMHB. I defintely don't think that UMHB purposely only did enough to win agaisnt SRSU. Was it a coaching ploy that UMHB lost to HPU? I don't think so. I have never known a coach to ask there kids to only do enough to get by.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 23, 2005, 01:00:01 pm
Great coaching by Pete "Where are we ranked in the polls?" Fredenburg.  The game plan was perfect.  Seems like UMHB's defense pretty much could have lined up and ran our offensive plays.  You would think they had been watching us on film all year!  Oh wait.  ;D

No doubt who the dominant team was from opening whistle to closing whistle.  It's been a long time since HSU has been popped in the jaw like that.  Like I said, the UMHB defense was incredible which forced our defense to be on the field way too long in some bad situations field position wise.

Only one thing bothers me about UMHB, and it's not the players' fault.  Why with the game well in hand in the 4th quarter are you still playing almost all first teamers?  If there is any game to get younger guys some experience, it would be against your rivals.  Blow out or not, these guys definitely would have loved the chance to play in the game.  The game is wrapped up, what are you afraid of?  HSU might score 14 points instead of 7?  How do you keep reserve players around for practice dummies and a chicken fry if they make the travel squad?  It's not just this game, but a recurring theme every year.  Scoring on Mississippi College with a minute left in a game that is already 54-0 is another example.  Your quarterbacks are surprisingly mobile for not having any knees.  

We were definitely outcoached Saturday, but I would take our coaches over any in the conference on any day.  I'm just as proud to be a Cowboy fan today as I was Friday.  

Cowboys, it's time to focus and win out.  

Karma that!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2005, 01:21:19 pm
I do have a question about the conference rules on the numbers of players that may make a road trip.

Is there a limit?  ASC? D3?

If the coach is maintaining a game-long substitution pattern among 2 and 3 strings of players, then he may be playing everyone who traveled.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 23, 2005, 01:28:14 pm
Ralph,
There is a limit on how many can make a trip.  Not sure if it's conference rules or Div III rules. It's been too long since I played, but the numbers 47 and 52 are sticking out in my mind.  Somewhere in that ballpark. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2005, 01:56:17 pm
Weak Safety, my thoughts about the 52 players are these.

1st string offense = 11
2nd string offense= 11
1st string defense= 11
2nd string defense= 11
Kicker, punter......=   2
11th O-lineman.....=  1
9th D-lineman.......=  1   (4 man front, you know what I mean)
3rd QB................=  1
9th DB................=   1
Total..................=  50

Two slots left over for special teams, receivers, linebackers.  That is stretching it! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 23, 2005, 02:01:57 pm
Ralph,
It's definitely a tough decision each week for the coaches.  There are almost always players that get left home that would normally play on Saturday at a home game.  When it gets really tough is when you play a passing team and have to use a dime package and have to take extra DB's that you normally would not take.  When you get into the playoffs, you can only suit up a certain number, home or away.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2005, 02:13:13 pm
For us long-suffering McMurry fans (hey the 'Stros and Chisox are in the World Series too),  there are 3 weeks left in the season and we control our destiny for co-champs status.

If McMurry runs the table (HSU, UMHB and ETBU, yeah I know but the 'Stros and the Chisox... :)) , then they would do no worse than tie HPU (who must defeat TLU, LC and MC), HSU (who plays McM, AC and TLU)  and UMHB (who plays ETBU, McM and AC).

The McMurry and HPU records would be 2-1 against the tied teams.  HPU would be win the head-to-head over McMurry.  (UMHB would be 1-2.  HSU would be 1-2.)

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/policy-tiebreaker-allsports.pdf

Now we need TLU (which is still mathematically in the race) to  defeat HPU.  Then McMurry would have the head-to-head, unless TLU knocks off HSU, then we would need...

Yeah, it is just "what-if's" now, but this is a great time of year for us. :)  And a great time of the year because 7 teams are still mathematically in the chase for a co-title!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on October 23, 2005, 02:15:32 pm
The ruling for the number of players you can take on a road trip comes into effect in the post season.  Then a team is only allowed to bring their 52 best players.  It is a very tough decision for coaches to make.  Do you bring the senior that runs down on kickoff but has been with the program for 4 years, or the underclassman that can help u in more ways than just a kickoff?  But as to my knowledge this dilemma only occurs when the post season rolls around.

CONGRATS to UMHB on a huge win and good luck to Hardin Simmons through the regular season!  I was happy to see my boys on defense come up with such a huge game.  Hope UMHB and HSU meet again soon, should make for an interesting game!  

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 23, 2005, 02:18:46 pm
Ralph,
Congrats to McMurry on the season thus far.  What a turn around.  As an HSU fan, I must admit I'm a little nervous about Saturday night.  It's a shame you won't have Sellers again next year.  He looks like the real deal.  I've also been impressed with Witt over the years and it looks like Villegas is also quite an athlete.  Should be a great game under the lights at Shotwell (as much as I hope it won't!).  McMurry used to challenge for the championship when I was playing, and it looks like they are back to the caliber of football they played back then.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2005, 02:28:10 pm
Weak Safety, I wish this game were on campus!  I remember getting cell phone updates from a friend of mine from the 1998 OT game (at Shelton?) which has to be the best McMurry game of the last decade!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 23, 2005, 02:34:14 pm
Hey Ralph i like your little set up there wouldn't that be nice...if you wanna put a little more what if in there...if HPU had beaten ETBU on the scoreboard like they did all over the field, HPU would be tied for first place right now and could very well be co-conference champs, provied HSU wins out and HPU were to win out.

HSU of course would win that tie breaker since they beat HPU...

right now there are two teams tied for first and 4 teams tied for 2nd just one game behind the leaders.  I would say this conference is getting more and more competitive.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 23, 2005, 02:35:04 pm
Hopefully this next weekend will clean up alot of these "what if" possibilities...If HSU beats McMurry and UMHB beats ETBU, then the picture should be pretty clear...of course if McMurry did beat HSU, then UMHB would be back in the saddle to win the conference....hmmm I really hadn't considered that possibility...it would also mean the students would have a reason to show up for the UMHB-McMurry game other than to see the Homecoming Court presented at half time. Looks like the crusaders will be Indian fans next Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 23, 2005, 02:38:37 pm
Ralph,
I played in the 1996 overtime game at Shelton (30-27) and then in a close game (34-25) in 1997.  1997 was my senior year, but I was in attendance for the OT game in 1998 at Shelton.  That game definitely goes down as a classic.

CruAlum,
Thanks for the well wishes.  Good luck to UMHB from here out as well.  UMHB will be tough to beat when playing mistake free, smash-mouth football like they did Saturday, but I would welcome the opportunity for a rematch in the playoffs!  As strange as it may sound, the HSU loss may have some benefits.  There is a lot of pressure involved with trying to keep an undefeated record.  There is a focus, but not the same focus of being in a must win situation.  I think that showed Saturday.  Now we join UMHB in having must wins from here on out.  Hopefully we can focus and win out (tough games ahead against McMurry and TLU).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2005, 02:53:28 pm
right now there are two teams tied for first and 4 teams tied for 2nd just one game behind the leaders.

No.  The current standings are


1.  HSU      5-1    .857  --     (@McM, AC, @TLU)
2.  UMHB     4-1    .833  0.5    (ETB, McM, @AC)
3t. McMurry  4-2    .667  1.0    (HSU, @MHB, ETB)
3t. ETBU     4-2    .667  1.0    (@MHB, MC, @McM)
3t. HPU      4-2    .667  1.0    (@TLU, LC, @MC)
3t. TLU      4-2    .667  1.0    (HPU, @SRS, HSU)

Don't forget about that half-game difference between UMHB and everyone else in the conference.  It could very well come into play still. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 23, 2005, 02:55:08 pm
Sorry Ron let me correct myself 2 teams with 1 loss and 4 teams with 2..work better for ya :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 23, 2005, 03:05:28 pm
so I'm watching the Texans vs. the Colts and the announcer speaking in reference to Edgerin (spelling ?) James  said, " wow, unless you hit this guy at the line he gets positive yardage every time." Now that is a deep and insightful statement.Football announcers continue to amaze me, why do we idolize John Madden again ?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 23, 2005, 03:13:02 pm
Anybody ever notice that John Madden's eyebrows are orange?  They look like Cheetos glued above his eyballs. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 03:48:50 pm
Weak Safety,

I don't know how many traveled, but I went and counted on the stats page, 46 played fopr UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 23, 2005, 04:00:16 pm
mhb8904,
Strange.  I went to UMHB's web page and you're right.  46 players.  If you look at HSU's website, the player participation lists 35 for UMHB.   I was really surprised to see the starting secondary and linebackers in the game for the last two drives.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2005, 04:06:23 pm
My bad!!  LC is eliminated because of their Hurricane Rita non-game.

And I keep forgetting the UMHB Hurricane Rita non-game!

It is good that McMurry is playing a game with Title implications the last weekend in October!  Thanks to Ty Sellers! I wish that we had  Ty Sellers for one more season to get him some help.

The new coaching staff, the extra players, the Band (I kid you not!) and now the new turf surface that will go down next year bode a turn-around! :)

Congratulations to the McMurry Indian Band which has been chosen to perform at the Texas Music Educators Association Band Competition in San Antonio.  For you non-band folks, this award  goes to fewer than the top 1% (on a mathematical calculation) of bands in the state...kinda like making the Stagg Bowl!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 23, 2005, 04:17:43 pm
It's more than possible that the coaches wanted the players to experience what it's like to play a full game, UMHB rarely gets a chance to do that and it is necessary to do that in the regular season so that you're prepared for the playoffs. I know what's coming, you will then ask didn't they play the whole game against HPU ? There's a difference between playing a whole game well, and playing a whole game with your back against a wall. The goal line stand for UMHB has got to be a huge building block for the future. Remember as well that UMHB right now still can not believe that they are gauranteed a play off spot. They have to do everything they can to impress the committee and allowing HSU to score a couple late, which they are more than capable of doing against any defense, would not be the best way to impress the committee.

Imagine what everyone would be saying if they looked at the stats at the end of the game, and HSU had picked up a hundred more yards in that last quarter and two more td's. Obviously HSU would've outplayed UMHB on the feild and it just didn't show up on the scoreboard, just like we keep hearing coming out of the TLU-ETBU game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 23, 2005, 04:21:10 pm
Does the world famous HSU cowboy band get to perform at the TMEABC in San Antonio ?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2005, 04:28:47 pm
Crukid, this year?  No, it is by invitation.  I am certain that they have some time in the past!

The McMurry Band will play at UMHB week after next! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 23, 2005, 04:31:17 pm
Too bad they won't be able to play during the half time. It will be an enjoyable experience to see a talented band at a UMHB home game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2005, 05:39:09 pm
Congratulations to the McMurry Indian Band which has been chosen to perform at the Texas Music Educators Association Band Competition in San Antonio.  For you non-band folks, this award  goes to fewer than the top 1% (on a mathematical calculation) of bands in the state...kinda like making the Stagg Bowl!

Ralph, TMEA generally picks a few college bands to perform each year from among ~30-40 college bands in the state.   Also, this is the TMEA's annual conference, not a competition.  It is in any case an honor to be invited to perform.   Congratulations to the McMurry band!

The groups perform concert band literature, not marching band literature.  That means, among other things, they use real french horns, not mellophones, and the music is much more complex.   The makeup of the bands that perform at TMEA is usually somewhat different than what you hear on Saturdays (more music majors, generally).  That may not be the case for McM, but I would be surprised if it's not.

Yours,
TMEA member 46454
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pottsy on October 23, 2005, 07:08:06 pm
Where is all the Cowboy smack today?  Is the best you can do is ask why the starters were still in the game?  I saw where Galusha was playing receiver in the 2nd half.  What is that?  Go Crusaders!  Take care of ETBU.  HSU may win the conference, but UMHB will be the higher seed come playoff time.  Oh by the way,  there was NO SQUEEKING BY on Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 07:15:31 pm
Pottsy,

Galusha has played both ways in a few games this year.  He is a huge weapon for HSU.  And I've got nothing to say about HSU people talking smack.  To a man, everyone I talked to this morning, and I go to church with mostly HSU people, they said they got their butts kicked.  Coach Keeling said as much in the after game interviews calling it a country butt whoopin.  Why get on here with your first post and start talking crap?  If you want to talk crap, start running your mouth before the game, please.  Talking after the fact just makes MHB look bad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pottsy on October 23, 2005, 07:21:35 pm
I didn't say anything about the HSU fans at the game or their team.  Great atmosphere yesterday.  But there was a lot of HSU talk before the game and it didn't pan out.  I prefer to let my team do the talking.  I lost some respect for HSU with the number of late hits and cheap shots late in the game.  I hope HSU gets into the playoffs.  By the way, what is with the post calling Coach Fred out on the polls?  While winning a conference championship is great, going into the playoffs and going deep is even better.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 07:33:03 pm
I didn't say anything about the HSU fans at the game or their team.  Great atmosphere yesterday.  But there was a lot of HSU talk before the game and it didn't pan out.  I prefer to let my team do the talking.  I lost some respect for HSU with the number of late hits and cheap shots late in the game.  I hope HSU gets into the playoffs.  By the way, what is with the post calling Coach Fred out on the polls?  While winning a conference championship is great, going into the playoffs and going deep is even better.

I didn't say you did, and yes they were lipping off before the game, but a few things 1: HSU is out on falll break this weekend and may just not have posted yet.  2: several came on and said that they were wrong. 3: They were lipping off before the game.  You were not and that's my complaint.  Don't be the punk that comes in after the fact and says see, because I doubt you would have come on here and said we got whooped if the game had gone the other way.  Being mouthy before the game at least gives you bragging rights.

Concerning the cheap shots:  I heard many an HSU student talking about those as cheap shots, and they thought it reflected poorly on the team.

I think the Coach Fred reference was about something he said last year.  I remember reading the quote in the paper, but I don't remember when.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pottsy on October 23, 2005, 07:39:56 pm
Coach Fred is a class individual.  He has always played a lot of players and IMO that is one reason UMHB has been so successful.  If you go there, there is a good chance you will play.  UMHB, because of the tiebreaker, only has the polls to consider.  I hope they are ranked high enough to get a home game in the playoffs.  First things first, they must beat ETBU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2005, 07:49:11 pm
Ron, I was extrapolating my kids' experience with TMEA Choir invitiations to the McMurry Band.  Thanks for the clarification.

My impression as to the philosophy of the rejuvenated McMurry Band is to put about 80-90 musicians on the field.  These will be student-musicians, kinda like me, an average Double B-flat bass player, who enjoys music, but not a music major.  When I was in Prof Bynum's McMurry Band in the early 1970's , we only had about 1/3rd of the 60 members who were pure Music majors.  That reflects the D3 ideals!  I know the band memebers are having a great time!

(Prof Bynum is supposedly the first band director in Texas to have a marching high school band, the Abilene High School band in 1926.)

Thanks for your kind words about the McMurry Band when you saw them in Abilene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 07:49:59 pm
If MHB wins out they'll be in the playoffs, and you are correct Coach Fred is a class individual.  The reason both HSU and MHB are so consistant is that everyone gets quality minutes during the year.  Both coaches run people in and out constantly. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pottsy on October 23, 2005, 07:53:31 pm
I haven't seen the McMurry band, but I did enjoy the Cowboy band.  Shelton Stadium is a great environment for college football.  There were a lot of Couch Cru there for the game.  Didn't like their brown shirts, but loved their spirit.  I wish UMHB could build a stadium on campus like Shelton. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 07:59:07 pm
Didn't like their brown shirts, but loved their spirit.  I wish UMHB could build a stadium on campus like Shelton.

My wife thought the same thing about the brown shirts.  As for the stadium, it would be nice, but given some of the games i've been to, it needs to be as big as tiger stadium.  They've alredy had nearly 7000 at a game this season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pottsy on October 23, 2005, 08:04:43 pm
I like an on campus stadium, 8-9,000 would be nice with no track.  I didn't understand the brown shirts at all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 08:06:44 pm
where would you put a stadium on campus?  You'd have to by more land and level some buildings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pottsy on October 23, 2005, 08:08:10 pm
I had heard there was land available near the field house.  Not exactly on campus, but close.  Belton Stadium works fine, but it is fun to dream.  It would be fun to see a packed stadium for a playoff game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 08:14:07 pm
If only we could convince BHS to Go purple.  We could redo the stadium and install revolving signage... Or how about buying enough land on the other side of the loop from the field house, all the way south the creek.  Put in a parking lot, a tailgater's park overlooking the creek and the stadium.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pottsy on October 23, 2005, 08:16:51 pm
mhb894, now you're talking.  That would be awesome.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on October 23, 2005, 08:17:08 pm
UMHB has always done a good job in the past 4 yrs of getting as many people on the field as possible.  This is because of the talent level that we have recieved in this past years.  I know for a fact that we had 26 freshman on our varsity at on point last season filling special teams roles and playing when called upon (a good and bad thing to have on your team).  As for the comments about why UMHB did not pull their starters in the fourth quarter i believe there was good reason not too.  

1st---If you recall the game in the post season last year UMHB won 42-28, seemingly out of hand, however HSU nearly scored very late in the game and could have been a onside kick and a hail mary away from tying it up.  Long shot i know but still...  We kept the starters in to ensure the victory.  

2nd---UMHB does have their backs against the wall with the loss to HPU this season.  While it would be a crime for UMHB not to recieve a Pool C Bid due to last years season and knocking off HSU this year, they still need to make every win a "convincing win."  The year we had the Tri-Champs and ETBU went to the post season, UMHB had a very convincing win against McMurry the week after, 60-14 or something like that, and still did not recieve a bid.  I thought we had a good shot to go far in the playoffs that year and face ETBU again, but it did not happen, so i think that we should leave nothing to chance.

This is just my feeling on the subject, feel free to disagree and give input...

GO CRU!!!    GO KNIGHTS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on October 23, 2005, 08:22:41 pm
As for UMHB's own stadium on campus... highly unlikely.  If you were UMHB and had choice to spend a lot of money on a new stadium, or go dutch with Belton High School and let them do all the field maintenance, what would you do?  It would be nice, but just a dream IMHO  ::)


GO CRU!!!    GO KNIGHTS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2005, 08:27:02 pm
Crualum, we had 3 Pool C bids in 2003.  We have 7 in 2005!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 23, 2005, 08:37:33 pm
CruAlum,
You make valid points.  I guess your perspective on the subject just depends on what side of the butt whippin' you were on! ;D
In my view, the game would never have been in danger if UMHB pulled the starters.  We didn't even belong on the same field the way we were playing and there was not much time left.  Second, I don't think margin of victory is going to matter with UMHB's record last year (and the last several years for that matter), especially with 32 teams making the playoffs.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 08:47:01 pm
Yes, a stadium is just a dream, but if you are going to dream... Dream big. ;D

OF course there is always the possibility some one could drop a fat wad of cash for the purpose of building a stadium and then the school would have to use it for such.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 23, 2005, 10:12:38 pm
UMHB rotates a lot of players during the game.  They rotate d-line, running backs, receivers, QBs.  So I'm not sure it would have been much different if they had the entire 2nd unit in the ball game.  I know in the 4th quarter they had in the 2nd o-line, with Bryson at RB. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 23, 2005, 10:35:32 pm
Ralph, I haven't seen McMurry, but in looking at their results and stats they appear to be much improved over last year.  In your opinion, do they have a chance against HSU?  They have a pretty tough 3 game stretch.  It seems like if they could win one of those 3 good, 2 of 3 great. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 23, 2005, 10:55:25 pm
I agree, 2 of the last 3 would be excellent!  I have a feeling we're not thinking about the same 2 out of 3! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 23, 2005, 10:58:36 pm
Weak Safety,

I wasn't really thinking about who it would be.  If they win 2 of their final 3, that will be quite a statement.  Of course, I hope UMHB doesn't lose to them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: couch_cru on October 23, 2005, 11:00:49 pm


Congrats Cru for an amazing game! It was a hard fought and well deserved victory, now take it all the way to Salem!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 24, 2005, 12:04:32 am
Bill, the McM-HSU game will be sheer emotion and plenty of fans if the weather is "Texas football weather".  IMHO, Ty Sellers is the most gifted QB in the conference.  I believe that other QB's may have more support than Ty, but no one is more talented.

My only concern is when his talent doesn't play at levels that he is expecting or  when he tries to complete the "15-point TD pass".   He seems to know his players better and I have perceived his using his offense better as the season has progressed.  Also, the attitude of the team is vastly improved!  I will defer to Proud for his assessment as well.

HSU has had McMurry's number since the resumption of the series, but every year is a new year. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 24, 2005, 03:14:59 am
Greetings from Spokane, WA...

...been traveling and didn't have a chance to post anything, until now.  Congratulations to UMHB and the big win on Saturday.

Just unbelievable!  And for each negative thing said about HSU, one could counter with a hundred positive comments!!!  So be it...

Perhaps it is just hard to be "nice" when you are not use to losing!  Not offering that as an excuse, however!  It is just that for several years now, winning was assumed  to be "almost" automatic!

I think no one should worry about UMHB making the playoffs...or not being in the top five or so teams.....come November!

Playoffs will be very interesting if UMHB and HSU both win out.

Again...congrats to the Cru...and I hope the loss by HSU will result in a positive way for coaches and players!

Keep your chin up, COWBOYS...come out strong next Saturday.

We're still proud of you! 

(Remember it is just a game!)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 24, 2005, 08:17:06 am
Wins this coming weekend by McMurry and ETBU would create a 4 way tie for 1st place, with UMHB a half game behind.  Certainly makes for a fun conference race. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 24, 2005, 09:15:22 am
Any thoughts on the leading candidates for player of the year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on October 24, 2005, 10:50:48 am
The McMurry Band has been getting better every year.  When I was at HSU back in the early 90's....they were not much to see.  I was a member of the Cowboy Band.  When HSU brought football back in 1990, we were not real keen on marching at football games.  A lot of the guys that wanted to be in the band at HSU joined because there was not football.  We're not your traditional band!!!  There are people at HSU that want that traditional high school marching band.  We are not UT or Tech.  Just not enough kids.  I think the Cowboy Band is very unique and HSU should keep that tradition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 24, 2005, 11:13:01 am
I spoke with a friend Saturday night and he said it was the worst game he has ever seen HSU play.  I guess throwing your jersey on the field and expecting to win is out of the question?  Congradulations UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2005, 11:31:03 am
Any thoughts on the leading candidates for player of the year?

I would think Ty Sellers would be the leading candidate.   2388 yds total offense [#1], 128 yds/game rushing [#1], 7 rushing TDs [#1], 18 passing TDs [#2], 14.1 yds/completion [#2].

#1 in interceptions, tho [14] could hurt. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on October 24, 2005, 11:41:17 am
I talked with my in-laws lastnight who went to the HSU/UMHB game on Saturday....they said it was the worst game they have seen HSU play in a long time.  My father-in-law commented that the UMHB players looked twice the size of HSU.  He compared it to a D-1 school playing a D-3 school!!! 

Congrats UMHB.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 24, 2005, 12:16:00 pm
UMHB is blessed to have large lineman on offense and defense.  Plus, they have outstanding speed.  HSU never seemed to be able to handle the difference in speed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 24, 2005, 12:18:06 pm
Ron, Any other contenders or do you think Sellers is a lock?  I'm anxious to see him play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 24, 2005, 12:24:35 pm
I think still not having played three big games and two of them being against the conference leaders nobody on the McMurry team could be considered a lock...if he plays like that against UMHB and HSU though and leads McMurry to a conference championship tie, he has got to be the player of the year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 24, 2005, 12:32:13 pm
This is in reply to the comments about the brown shirts being worn by the UMHB students at the HSU game. The shirt goes along with one of the chants that we have, plus UMHB and HSU colors are the same, so we decided to do something different to distinguish ourselves from HSU. Basically it was something random and fun.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on October 24, 2005, 12:54:33 pm
Congrats Cru on a well earned victory over HSU....I have no doubt the two teams will meet again later next month!   Speaking of kudos----the Cowboy Band was very good Saturday, as usual. 

Stay focused, CRU

GO CRU

and for what it's worth---I liked the brown shirts and LOVED the signs!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on October 24, 2005, 12:56:41 pm
On the issue of size....it wasn't just the physical size of the players--it was the size of their desire.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 24, 2005, 01:05:23 pm
Stephen1452,  Maybe I'm too much of a traditionalist, but I like it when people wear the school's colors. :)  The spirit was great, but next time wear purple! :)  Although, I'm also superstitious, so if we meet up with HSU again, wear the brown shirts!!!!  Don't want to mess with the karma.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 24, 2005, 01:06:59 pm
Crukid,  If Sellers leads McMurry to a tie of the conference championship, he is a lock for MVP! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 24, 2005, 01:26:25 pm
Kickhoe, I am with you.  HSU band is what D3 bands should be like, having fun - being unique - and not a bad band either.

I think the entire McM team responded to a new coaching staff and philosophy.  Sellers kick started the transformation to a good football team, but the whole team is playing with renewed confidence.  I got slammed by a few for calling Sellers an Adam King lookalike after the 1st game, but he plays much the same way as King did in his sophomore and junior year.  King was more polished but Sellers has a strong arm and tremendous quickness and speed for a quarterback.  HSU and MHB may be able to contain Sellers a little but I believe the McM team will deliver on offense and it is going to be how many points can HSU and MHB score to see who wins and by how much.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 24, 2005, 01:52:40 pm
Kickhoe, I am with you.  HSU band is what D3 bands should be like, having fun - being unique - and not a bad band either.

I think the entire McM team responded to a new coaching staff and philosophy.  Sellers kick started the transformation to a good football team, but the whole team is playing with renewed confidence.  I got slammed by a few for calling Sellers an Adam King lookalike after the 1st game, but he plays much the same way as King did in his sophomore and junior year.  King was more polished but Sellers has a strong arm and tremendous quickness and speed for a quarterback.  HSU and MHB may be able to contain Sellers a little but I believe the McM team will deliver on offense and it is going to be how many points can HSU and MHB score to see who wins and by how much.

You may be right, but from McMurry's scores over the course of the season, it seems like the D has some issues.  A D with issues against either offense when clicking will lead to a very high scoring output.  HSU is now up against the proverbial wall.  One loss could cost them the championship.  I'd expect a gunslinging demonstration on Saturday, and if MCM can't stop QJones at the line, he could go for a ton of yards.  Same thing against MHB.  If you can't stop the run, they have some hosses that will gut your d-line.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 24, 2005, 02:33:23 pm
First of all, great job by the UMHB football PLAYERS and COACHES!!!

I would also like to remind all of the HSU fans and alunmi that if and when we win out we will still be in the playoffs, and hopefully we will have a chance to reconcile the unfortunate events that took place on and off the field Saturday.  It seems if everyone has forgotten that HSU dominated UMHB last last season and then was defeated in the playoffs.  I also apologize for the actions of some of HSU fans.  However, I have watched a few UMHB and HSU football games and played in many.  I assure you that the UMHB fans are no angels.  I and my wife (as a cheerleader) have been called every thinkable obscenity by UMHB fans.  I remember one particular incident in Belton where a group of girls (you could smell the booz coming off them on the field ) called me things that are illegal in 49 states. 
It is entirely unfair to judge the entire University and Alumni by the actions of a few.  I also recall running out of gas in Abilene the night before a game against UMHB and the one person who stopped to help was the sister of a UMHB player who had stayed in Abilene to watch the game. 

I have a few more closing comments: Jordy wasn't running for his life he was holding the ball too stinkin' long when he had people open.  You sit in the pocket for 5 seconds and not get sacked.(He will get better)
UMHB trash talkers go ahead and take your shots,  but trash the team or the institution.  If you live in a glass house you should not throw stones.\
Pottsy (EAD)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 24, 2005, 02:35:53 pm
Sorry I meant do not trash the team or institution.  My bad
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 24, 2005, 02:43:01 pm
I may be wrong but I don't think there is a restriction on how many players can travel in the ASC, except in the playoffs. (52)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Norman on October 24, 2005, 02:44:02 pm
I think that the MCM and HSU game this week will be a great one!  In my opinion, these 10 factors should make for a great game:

1.  First time since 99 that MCM is playing for something other than town respect, or as a spoiler.

2. Solid coaching from both sides.

3.  First time since 2000, that MCM has an offense that can actually put points on the board.

4.  New rejuvinated leadership for MCM.

5.  8:00 game "UNDER THE LIGHTS" (great for both teams)

6.  First time in who knows when, that HSU is playing MCM after a big loss. (MCM beware, Def better get ready)

7.  Playing at Shotwell stadium (this brings more people, media, etc...)

8.  HSU best passing efficiency vs the #1 team in the ASC in int. (although MCM throws their fair share).

9.  Both good defenses vs the run

10.  Ty Sellers......When will Jorden Neal be ready, or will he redshirt again?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 24, 2005, 02:45:36 pm
I'm pretty sure Jordan is taking his medical.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 24, 2005, 02:48:48 pm
No excuses!!! I have been avoiding this for as long as possible.  

I talked smack and was told it would be backed up, and was let down.  But I have no excuses.  We didnt play good and just didnt show up to play.  Yes we got beat by a better team on staurday.  If both teams were to line up and play their absolute best I am not completely sure who would win.  Both teams are excellent football teams and my dream would to have them play in Salem against each other.  Just my BIG dream.

I have been thinking though about all the classless converstaions, and about students and stuff.  It happens at both institutions.  I havent attended a game in Belton in the stands.  Always on the field.  Not real sure what goes on other than the things being said to players as the Warm up in front of the UMHB couch cru.  Lets just say Pat would ban me from the site.  As players you hear things but just learn not to turn around and acknowledge them.  You only fuel the fire.  Also as fans are departing the game Saturday I was flipped off numerous times bu UMHB fans because I was wearing my HSU PurpleOut shirt.  So just know it happens at both "BAPTIST"(if you want to label them that) universities.  So this crap about people being harassed or whatever Im sorry it happened, but just know that neither schools are perfect schools.  

A post earlier talked about not being on top forever.  True you are not on top forever, but you know we still havent been knocked off the top of the totum(spelling?) pole just yet.  True we did get beat this last weekend but we still are in the drivers seat for the conference championship and we still have the Automatic Qualifiers position if we win out.  So say what you want but we win we are in.  We dont have to wait and see come selection sunday.  True UMHB did help their cause and it would be a tragedy if they dont get it but, we win we are in.  Your reign at the top sometime will end, im not arguing that, but just know we are still at the top of that pole for now.

This week I would expect some differences at practice and some differences on the field and probably even in the locker room.  Sure the coaches can do things but if the seniors do not do something about what happened this past weekend then HSU doenst deserve the Stagg bowl they so desire every year.  As a cowboy it is time to nut up and play.  Our backs are against the wall and every game for here on out is a playoff game and should be treated like so.  Lose and go home.  that is just something that should be on the minds of the team.  It is time to step up and show everyone and not rely on the jersey you put on every week.

Pottsy I agree with Cwbyfann   EAD
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpudad on October 24, 2005, 03:40:15 pm
I haven't posted in a couple of week but have some thoughts that I would like to share.

You have to love the ASC.  What a competitive conference.  I think UMHB lose to HPU was the best thing that could have happen for them, if a lose could be considered a good thing.  The loss made them get re-focused and made them a very dangerous team.  I think that HSU might have been a little over confident (my opinion) after the way the HSU/HPU game went and then UMHB losing to HPU.

I think with the loss, HSU has been given a reality check and will be more focused and win out.  I think UMHB will win out also.  Both will be in the playoffs.  It is too bad that they will meet in the early rounds.  Both teams have champioship quality players and staffs.

Quietly HPU has been playing and winning.  After an amazing game against UMHB, HPU went to McMurry and pulled out a win in a very sloppy game.  I just wish HPU could be more consistant on offense.  HPU defense has played very well since the UMHB game.  They produced 5 int against McMurry and 6 int against Austin this last Saturday.  HPU has TL away, LC Home and MC away the next three weeks.

Can HPU win out?  I think they can but must come to play especially next week at TL.  If they do win out that would put them at 7-3 overall and 7-2.  Not to bad for a first year coach and system.

What are your thoughts on HPU winning out?  Can they do it?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 24, 2005, 03:56:17 pm
HPU should handle LC, but the other games might be a little tighter.  However, they have already proven that they can be very dangerous.  So, it is most definitely possible. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 24, 2005, 04:15:22 pm
Hey you win some you lose some.  It is misfortune that UMHB didnt play that game, thanks rita.  HSU is still on top.  Maybe there will be another ASC matchup in the playoffs.  McMurry beating HSU?  Wow, never in my playing days.  I remember going into that 99 game, both teams were undefeated.  McMurry never showed up to that game.  That started the funk they are climbing out of now.  Will they be sent back into the hole or do they beat HSU?  If you cant win in your own home town, where can you go...?  I will try my best to get to this one, minni.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 24, 2005, 04:23:37 pm
I think it will be very interesting to see how the NCAA ranks UMHB and HSU.  Is playing one less game going to have an impact?  Does beating HSU outweigh losing to HPU?  Should be very interesting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 24, 2005, 05:08:55 pm
I was out of pocket last week so I didn't comment on HPU/McM game.  I was very impressed with the new HPU coaching staff, they had a very well thought out game plan and kept the players positive after falling behind 13 pts early in the 3rd quarter.  A couple of the coaches need to think before they speak though in that they commented before the game that they were the team to beat in the conference.  I also liked that the coaches had them do updowns after the game to remind them of their mistakes (it was a really sloppy game on both sides).
I think HPU goes 2 and 1 over the last 3 games.  Although I have been disappointed with TLU this year, I still think TLU wins this one in a close game.  And even if HPU can beat TLU, they are likely to slip up against 1 of the other 2.  The weak in the ASC are much, much better this year than in years past.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 24, 2005, 07:45:54 pm
It just goes to show you that on any given day any team can beat another. The bottom line is both HSU and UMHB better prepare for their next game and not the "next time they play eachother"...because that day may never come. Anyone is capable of knocking off any one and that has been proven time and time again in this conference.

Most of the time the indians and the cowboys tangle up a great game is the result and I dont expect anything but under the lights at Shotwell.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 24, 2005, 11:09:07 pm
Proud, i think that the reason "the weak are closer to the strong" is because of the quality QBs we have in the league.

Everyone except MC and AC have outstanding QB's for the systems that they are running, and I would not be surprised for the HSU offense to change to adapt to Bernhardt's strengths after they review the game films.

Adam Johnson, Sean Salinas and Ty Sellers are one type of QB.  Padron and Welch are holding their own nicely at UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 25, 2005, 12:41:24 am


I have a few more closing comments: Jordy wasn't running for his life he was holding the ball too stinkin' long when he had people open.  You sit in the pocket for 5 seconds and not get sacked.(He will get better)
UMHB trash talkers go ahead and take your shots,  but trash the team or the institution.  If you live in a glass house you should not throw stones.\
Pottsy (EAD)


Since I'm the one who has been pointed at the most for calling HSU classless, I'll repeat  my statement one last time, I never said anything about the team or the institution, I only spoke about individual circumstances and the individual involved. I had conversation with two different HSU grads for an hour and a half tonight and we didn't talk about football for more than forty five seconds and no yelling, obscenities, or "illegal" things were said. Not knowing who you are, I have no negative dispositions towards any of you, your school, or your team.

I might have a negative disposition towards your eye doctor though. I don't know what you consider running for you life but 8 sacks...8 sacks....he lost 92 yards....the only time he had his feet set was when he was sitting on the side line. The team had negative eight yards of offensive for the first half and only a sixteen yard punt fake kept that number out of double digits.( For comparison purposes UMHB sacked Salinas 5 times and Johnson 3 times and I would've commented that both of those quarterbacks looked quite pressured in playing UMHB). The kid completed 14 of 20 passes, that's seventy percent, I don't know what you're looking for in a quarterback, but the game I saw had him doing everything he could. I hadn't heard one complaint about him on this board, in fact everything I had heard was about the great job he was doing filling in...so I've now spent twenty minutes reviewing previous post and I coudln't find the positive comments in his favor but I also didn't find any negative complaining about his performance against ETBU or HPU. I think he did a good job of finding hot routes, hitting receivers quick when he had the opportunity and played well with the pressure he was under. I think anyone blaming him for the loss is looking for a scapegoat right now. UMHB just seemed to have a huge advantage in team speed and closed down holes on receivers, backs, and quarterbacks all afternoon long. Ex. the bubble screen has always been huge for the HSU offense against the UMHB defensive scheme, it was basically ineffective with the receivers not being able to get outside and up the sideline fast enough.  I don't know what game you were watching; scratch that, I don't know that you were at the game if you don't think he was running for his life all afternoon. Last comment and I'm done, the first three HSU drives ended after sacks of Jordy, including one of those where he dropped back and before he could glance to his second option, was hit from the back side and fumbled the ball....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 25, 2005, 07:36:44 am
The HSU QB was under a lot of pressure.  UMHB seemed to blitz more than they had in previous games.  Kubiak had a safety blitz and sacked the QB for minus 20.  The speed of the UMHB defenders caused a lot of the problems for the QB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: eagle on October 25, 2005, 09:45:33 am
I was at the UMHB and TLU JV game last night and one of UMHB players was taken off the field in an ambulance has anyone heard any status on this young player, hope everything is fine with him. On another note the TLU JV looked pretty good against UMHB, they won 14 --13. I will say this whether good, bad or indifferent, the coaches at UMHB are VERY vocal to their players. I saw a great difference between the 2 coaching staffs, again just an observation. Tlu had a couple of great looking QBs and a great looking safety (all freshman) also some good linebackers. Very positive for the program if the dedicate themselves.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Norman on October 25, 2005, 10:01:09 am
The funniesst thing about all of your conversations are the comments made about "you win some, you lose some".  Classless- I can remember being at places where HSU players were at 4nad 5 years ago. All the talk was ever about was never getting beat!!! I don't mean in confident ways, I mean in arrogant, cocky ways.  I've got one better than "you win some you lose some".  How about "What goes around comes around" 

Good luck to everyone competing this weekend.  Just an ASC fan.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on October 25, 2005, 10:32:40 am
OK....I've had enough of it!!!!

You are going to have sore losing fans that cannot take it when they lose.  They're going to act like idiots, say stupid things, and make themselves look like fools.  Now  the generalizations about HSU, UMHB, HPU, McM, etc. are getting crazy.  Everybody just needs to stop it!!! 

I went to HSU, and I hated seeing them lose to UMHB on Saturday.  It sucked!!!  But you know what, it hasn't ruined my life, I've gotten over it.  UMHB was the better team, no doubt about it!!!

So let's stop the pissing and moaning about what he said or she said.  Who's classy and who's not.  1 or 2 people do not determine the make up of a university!!!

Anyway, I had to get that off my chest after reading the constant ramblings of who said what or who did what.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 10:39:19 am
Crukid,
Maybe what you saw was a superior pass rush, but obviously you are looking through untrained eyes.  UMHB has a great defensive line, but it makes things easier when you can man up and blitz on every down.  The deep routes were open all day long but we never seemed to throw them.  Instead, the qb had tunnel vision on 22 and held the ball to long.  This allowed UMHB to send whoever they wanted.  How many times did they sack #14?  They didn't to answer my own question and prove my point.  I'm not bashing Jordy by any means, we all have are bad days and if he is wearing purple and gold then I'm behind him.  As I said before he will turn it around.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 10:42:11 am
Crukid,
Hot routes?  Quit playing Madden.
Norman you can EAD as well
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: onall on October 25, 2005, 11:02:31 am
Good luck everyone in ASC.  Especially MCM
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 25, 2005, 12:30:14 pm
Norman you silly girl.  I was one of those HSU players from 4 or 5 years ago.  Yeah we beat the crap out of everyone in the ASC.  Undefeated Conference Champs three years in a row.  There were no ties, no controversy.  We ran the table.  I dont play any more.  So to say what goes around comes around is ignorant.  If you were a player, I hope I lined up against you.  If you were on the sideline, stay there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 25, 2005, 01:06:09 pm
so put that in your pipe and smoke it , Norman!!!!


Tim this weekend, come on its a night game you and Bo have no excuses!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 01:38:16 pm
That's right we don't lose, and if we do it pisses us off. 
You can call that arrogance if you want, but its the mentality of any and all successful programs at every level, UHMB ect...
If you don't see things that way then it probably means you were never a part of one of those programs.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 01:48:43 pm
Hey how come I am stuck at 38 posts, I would like to make the travel squad some day  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 25, 2005, 01:52:20 pm
Everytime you post, all previous posts show the new current numbers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 01:54:12 pm
Oh, I guess that was a dumb question then. :D
Thanks, Tim
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 25, 2005, 02:04:21 pm
Minni, don't tell Norman to smoke things.  It will make his teeth yellow and he will smell bad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 02:06:21 pm
Or cause him to say stupid things.  Oh wait, to late for that one!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: onall on October 25, 2005, 02:13:52 pm
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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 25, 2005, 02:15:21 pm
Norman, add this to your vast collection of "sayings."

"When the going gets tough, the tough and ambitious get going."

Go HSU Cowboys!   :-*
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 25, 2005, 02:25:10 pm
HSU and UMHB are elite programs so why not stop all of this whining and just look forward to the games that are ahead of us HSU vs. McM and UMHB vs ETBU both games should be very interesting if UMHB and HSU don't get over last saturday.  So hats off to the past and sleeves up to the future.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 25, 2005, 02:32:39 pm
How is ol' Sam Walton treating you?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 25, 2005, 02:36:20 pm
Oh well, he took me and Ol Roy bird hunting the other day.  Keeping me busy though hows the Rio treating you?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 25, 2005, 02:36:56 pm
I guess when you get your A** kicked pretty bad the crap has to come out some other way...and you guys are showing which end it's coming out.  Grow up a little bit.  It's a wonder why there are people saying bad things about your school and your students when you have people like yourselves coming on here acting like elementary kids.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 25, 2005, 02:39:51 pm
dballa you don't know what your talking about, espcially if you think there are only two seasons and one of them is not football.  So do us a favor and go back to d3hoops and stay off of the football web site.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 25, 2005, 02:51:54 pm
I'm drowning.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on October 25, 2005, 03:33:04 pm
TXCowboy, just because dballa is a basketball nut doesn't mean he is oblivious to football. I know for a fact he is at every football game HPU has and knows the stats quite well. Grow up and admit that HSU got whooped by UMHB enough said, no excuses is needed, the stats say it all. HSU whooped HPU, HSU is a better team too though I'll admit that. I guess the old saying of the truth hurts is stinging just a little.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 25, 2005, 03:57:11 pm
sethhpu, yeah I know HSU got wooped, I was at the game.  I am not making excuses at all, if you can find an excuse that I posted then point it out becuase I can't find one.  I do have to agree being a former HSU player that even though HSU got beat, they are still the best team, but it should be interesting to see what happens should they play again in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 04:07:18 pm
Dballa,
not everyone learns to take whoopins gracefully.  However, it is obvious that you have had some practice.  Maybe we can all learn from your experience (Oh wise one).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 25, 2005, 04:08:31 pm
I love the witty report going on here
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 04:09:43 pm
I try Tim
Hey look I'm three under par!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 25, 2005, 04:13:08 pm
Go HSU - Conference Champs.  That's right seth, it does sting. :D
Three under par.  Check my handicap
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 04:17:02 pm
I bow to the king of karma golf ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 25, 2005, 04:20:13 pm
CwbyFann are you the same Fanning that coaches at winless Hermleigh?  I would figure you knew all about getting your butt whooped, looks like it's starting to spill over to your college boys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 04:30:07 pm
Yep, thats me and my kids are great and have nothing to do with D3 college football.  So if a piece of trash like your self wants to get on here talk bad about HSU and me I guess that is OK, but if  you want to bring 14 kids trying to play an eleven man schedule into this it gets a little past personal. 

Hermleigh is not a real big town I'm pretty easy to find.  (Tough Guy)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 25, 2005, 04:33:10 pm
I got one thing to say dballa, rumor has it that you keep stats pretty good, check this stat out and get back to us, how conference championships does HSU have in football, and now go look at HPU and how many they have.  oh and by the way,  EAD!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 25, 2005, 04:37:10 pm
So you guys coming on here talking about a person, like what you said about Norman isn't getting personal? Come on man get real.  

it's all in fun for the most part and everybody should be having fun talking about their teams and players, but if you say something about a person or a team, don't expect people to just sit back and take it.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on October 25, 2005, 04:37:28 pm
sthrncwby,

Don't be so sure of the Conference championship, don't get me wrong I think you guys will win out and win it. But you still have 3 games and ask UMHB if they thought they were gonna trip up before playing you guys. Your right it does sting not being able to say we are conference champs, but I am happy with what we have done so far.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 04:50:41 pm
Oh yeah I almost forgot
EAD, fool
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 04:58:46 pm
I have only posted about people who have attacked HSU or me, I have never shown anything but respect for the universities and teams in the ASC.  Nor, have I made any excuses for the loss on Saturday.  Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. 
Attacking me I have no problem with.  Take your best shot, but the place I work and the kids I coach have nothing to do with the ASC.  You called me childish, but it is you who is acting without class.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 25, 2005, 05:23:02 pm
dballa any plans to come to Abilene anytime?

its not a bad little drive from Houston, Mr. Towne I believe it is?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 25, 2005, 05:24:18 pm
CwbyFann,  Now that is a feat, playing 11 man with 14 players.  Good luck to you and your team.  How do you have practice?  It is hard enough when you have enough to scrimmage with 22.  Where is your school?  Did I read correctly that you played at HSU?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 25, 2005, 05:38:24 pm
CwbyFan, I read the article in the AR-N about Throckmorton's decision to move over to 6-man.  (I just cannot call it a drop down to 6-man, because those athletes really give it all!)

If you are there when that decision must be made, my prayers are that the citizens will consider the student-athletes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpudad on October 25, 2005, 05:42:20 pm
I'm new to this board but am suprised by some of the things that I have read.  I think the ASC is the most competitive conference in Division III Football.  Yes HSU has had a great run in the ASC since it was created.  That sucess has made some of the fans of HSU seem pretty arrogant, from what I have read in the post on this board.  Whether it is true or not, that is the perception that this new poster has observed.  I'm not trying to point out anyone or call anyone out.  In every sports that I have ever been involved with, winning and losing graciously, has always been what was taught to me and what I have taught while coaching.  I haven't seen this on this board.  I've seen a lot of arrogance and personal attacks.  Is this what this board and DIII Football is about?  I thought it was a place where fans could come and discuss DIII Football and their team without having their team or themselves being insulted and verbally attacked.  These are just some thoughts and observations from a new poster/observer.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 25, 2005, 05:43:06 pm
Cwbyfann, i wasn't attacking your kids just your statement you said about me earlier.  We could go all day about it.  Truth is we both like our schools and don't care for others putting them down.  

minni, i go to abilene often, was there for the HPU/McMurry game..
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 25, 2005, 05:48:57 pm
Ralph, I think it was last year that several very successful Class A programs moved to 6 man.  I think Wheeler was one of them.  I've never seen a 6 man game, but I'm trying to find one this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 25, 2005, 05:54:48 pm
Bill,

Where are you?  If you are near the Killeen-Temple- Belton area, Buckholtz plays 6-man
 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 25, 2005, 05:55:38 pm
hpudad,  This is my 3rd year to really follow D-3 and the ASC.  I don't think there is any doubt that several teams are improved in the ASC, particularly McMurry and Sul Ross.  I like the conference to have competitive teams.  I believe the bar has been set high for all the ASC teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 25, 2005, 05:56:23 pm
mhb8904, I live in San Antonio.  There aren't a lot of 6 man teams down this way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 25, 2005, 06:11:34 pm
From looking at the 6 man alignment on the UIL web site I'd sat Buckholts might be the closest you could get fro SA.  It would be about a 2.5 hr drive.  But if you came up on a friday when MHB played saturday, you could make it a football weekend and Buckholts wouldn't be toop far out of the way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 25, 2005, 06:15:56 pm
I do have to agree being a former HSU player that even though HSU got beat, they are still the best team, but it should be interesting to see what happens should they play again in the playoffs.

So what does UMHB have to do to prove to you that they are the best team? (notice I'm asking for what it takes in your opinion, since it is your opinion right now that HSU is better than UMHB) They've won three of the last four games in this series, they've done it on the road, on your feild, when it mattered.

I'm constantly reminded that HSU is still "on top of the totem pole" thanks to a hurricane. Even still, with as little as UMHB deserved to win the game against HPU they were ahead with 3 seconds left and were in the game they lost til the very end. HSU wasn't in their loss after 7 minutes had passed in the game.

An interesting question that I'd like to hear the awnser to from all the HPU, TLU, McM posters and other non UMHB/HSU fans ? If you have two one loss teams and one of them beats the mess out of the other, who do you consider the better team ?




oh, and on the subject of my using the phrase "hot routes" i was using that phrase when the Titans were a great team to play with on Madden, I grew up playing in a system that used 3,4,5 receivers on almost every play and the short, safety, quick, dump, fire...whatever route you want to call it, the one that you toss to when the quarterback is in pressure and needs to throw a quick short pass is the "hot route". He completed 14 passes for 107 yards...my mental math tells me that's somewhere around 7.5 yards a completion....on the season he's got 1173 on 91, that looks like it's right around 13 yds. He was throwing much shorter passes (hitting the hot route) because....he was running for his life, proving the original point argued by that post. There have been more posts since I went to bed last night then there were, Saturday Evening, Sunday, and Monday, don't yall have class to go to ?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on October 25, 2005, 07:45:01 pm
Crukid -- It is obviously a matter of loyalty to the program for CwbyFann. Much more meaningful to a person who really played rather than having just played Nintendo. (Now there's a real workout for a real man!) Or have you ever strapped it on and put it all -- your blood, sweat, etc. -- out there? Maybe so. If you have, you should understand where he is coming from.
As much as I pull for HSU -- and will continue to do so -- I have to agree that UMHB's program is stronger than HSU right now. That's what the playing and keeping score is all about. But, there are still some season and the playoffs left. Both UMHB and HSU need to win out. And, if they meet again, the tables could turn -- just like last year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 25, 2005, 08:04:05 pm
I am a little confused...and yes I am an HSU fan...but I dont give a crap about a hurricane or standings...correct me if I am wrong but "who is better" is determined ON the field...and UMHB determined that this past weekend. They left no question. Excuses are running, and we (HSU folks) can point fingers...but the truth is that until(if) we play them again...UMHB is the better team. I hate to say it but they proved it ON the field. They have won when it counts...and until we bounce back and knock them off then we are not as good. We can get on here and talk all day long and come across arrogant and all that and thats what makes fans and a board like this so great...but the truth is that we(HSU) lost and lost bad this past weekend to UMHB. I really feel on any given day in this conference...it is getting to the point where any team can beat another.

Again...I can guarantee Coach K and the boys arent sitting around at practice talking about what ifs and what shoulds...but they are focused and ready to kill some Indians this weekend.

The Cowboys WILL bounce back.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on October 25, 2005, 08:48:18 pm
hsu_alum13, I agree with you.  We got our butts whooped last weekend.  As hard as it is for me to admit, UMHB is the better team right now.  If HSU fans recall, UMHB did spank us the last time we met.  HSU has been outscored 80 to 35 in the past 2 games.  Right now, UMHB is fast, quicker and stronger than HSU. 

hpudad, It is great to see the ASC get better and better every year.  The majority of the schools in the conference play competitive games every Saturday.  TLU, ETBU, HPU, McM, and SR continue to get better.  If UMHB and HSU don't watch out, they will be knocked off of their perches before too long.  I think that the success that UMHB and HSU has had brings out the competitiveness in the other schools. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 25, 2005, 09:53:15 pm
Kickhoe, I think that the fact that so many teams are now playing ASC ball that the high school players see it as a viable form of football for those who still have it in their blood.

Ten years ago, we only had HSU McM, AC, SRSU and HPU, and Trinity had not developed into the power that it is.

We are getting Adam Johnson's and PJ Williams' and Matt Moskowsky's and Ty Sellers' to say that this is good ball.  HPU LB Landon Dyer was recruited by SMU.  We have had BU's Shaun Roshon (UMHB) and Tech's Khalid Naziruddin (HPU) move to D1.

I only see the ASC as getting more competitive.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 10:10:08 pm
Bill thanks for the support and yes I did play for HSU.

Ralph, the school board voted last night to make a return to 6 man.  I think they did it in the best interest of the kids.  It does put me in an awkward position though. 

Dballa, all is forgiven just keep the gloves up. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 25, 2005, 10:21:40 pm
hsu_alum13,
I fail to see all the excuses everyone keeps talking about.  I think pretty much the general view is that UMHB came to Abilene and put it on the Boys.  However, I do agree with you that the team and Coach K will do nothing but move forward from this point on.  Go Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on October 25, 2005, 11:17:58 pm
Ralph, your exactly right.  These schools all play competitive football and they get noticed by the high schoolers.  Only a handful of kids can play D-I ball.  There are only so many spots available.  You have high school football players that are darn good, but maybe too short, or too slow, or whatever.  At HSU, UMHB, HPU, etc. they probably have a good chance of playing.  That is very enticing too an 18 year old kid who loves football and knows that he can come in his freshman year and possibly make a difference.  I think that is awesome!!!

Another thing, all of these ASC schools are producing excellent high school football coaches.  I know at HSU, Coach K is cranking out top notch high school football coaches every year.  I had heard (my facts may not be exactly right) that Coach K has produced more current high school football coaches in Texas than any other active coach.  That is very impressive!!!  Saying all of this, what a huge recruiting tool for HSU!!!  Those high school coaches wield a lot of influcence with these young athletes.  If that coach recommends HSU, more than likely, he'll go.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on October 25, 2005, 11:30:06 pm
In my opinion, the best team should win the conference.  UMHB showed on saturday that they are the best team in the conference.  Every once in a while a good team allows a team to stick around and loses a game at the last second (UMHB vs. ETBU 2003 and HPU 2005). However, when a team loses by 31 with only one turnover, then that team got dominated. When a team has -8 yards going into halftime, then that team got dominated. When a team gives up 8 sacks for -97 yards, then that team got dominated. What I am trying to say is that it is not right to "GIVE" HSU the conference championship. I think the conference championship should go to the best team in the conference and that is UMHB. Anyone that won't admit that UMHB is the best team in the conference is cocky, arrogant, and full of crap. Just my .02 cents.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on October 25, 2005, 11:41:48 pm
crualum04....nobody is "giving" HSU the conference....they have got to win out to do it....that won't be easy....McM is much improved and TLU is no cake walk.....unfortunately, UMHB was dealt a bad hand....they can't help it if their game with LC was cancelled.....such is life.....like Ron said in his column....hopefully, the selection committee will do the right thing and include UMHB in the playoffs.....

I'll say it again.....UMHB took HSU to the woodshed!!!  No doubt about it....they have done it the past 2 times they have met.  I don't have any problem with you saying that UMHB is the best in the conference....after Saturday...I would have to agree with you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 25, 2005, 11:53:54 pm
Hurricanes, extra points not allowed to be kicked......always some drama in the ASC!  :D

Just noticed on the ASC website weekly notes that the HSU-McM will be televised live on KTAB.  Pretty cool.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on October 26, 2005, 12:22:12 am
crualum04...in that case HPU BEAT UMHB...then they should be "given" the championship  ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 26, 2005, 12:25:59 am
In my opinion, the best team should win the conference.  UMHB showed on saturday that they are the best team in the conference.  Every once in a while a good team allows a team to stick around and loses a game at the last second (UMHB vs. ETBU 2003 and HPU 2005). However, when a team loses by 31 with only one turnover, then that team got dominated. When a team has -8 yards going into halftime, then that team got dominated. When a team gives up 8 sacks for -97 yards, then that team got dominated. What I am trying to say is that it is not right to "GIVE" HSU the conference championship. I think the conference championship should go to the best team in the conference and that is UMHB. Anyone that won't admit that UMHB is the best team in the conference is cocky, arrogant, and full of crap. Just my .02 cents.

Hey classmate,

I don't think anyone is giving HSU the championship.  When the game was cancelled, everyone except us fans new what could possibly happen.  The situation sucks, but MHB had the opportunity to win the HPU game and then this would not be an issue.  At the game on Saturday everyone around me told me a different team showed up in Abilene than showed up in the SRSU or HPU game. If the same team had shown vs. HPU this is a non-issue and MHB is marching to the playoffs probably #2 in  the nation and looking at a possible 1 seed.  Our team is where they are because of their inconsistancy so far this year.  If the same team shows the rest of the season we could be headed back deep into the playoffs, and I'll take and look forward to that rather than wishing things were different.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 26, 2005, 01:16:34 am
Congratulations Cru on a very convincing win.  Your coaches and defense all deserve game balls.  I predicted the Cru would score 24 points, I just didn't expect it to be in the first half en route to a lopsided 31 point win over the Cowboys.  I would have never expected the Cru defense to allow HSU only 7 points.  Hopefully the Cowboys will get the problems worked out in time for a much improved McMurry team Saturday.  Go Cowboys....Get a Indian.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 26, 2005, 03:45:40 am
Well we have some big games this week between HSU/McM and UMHB/ETBU, the last time this scenario played out I believe ETBU beat UMHB.  So first off UMHB better be focused for the tigers, which I would presume the would be, and HSU better not forget that McM has not beaten McM since HSU started football back up in 1990 so they have something to prove as well.  Some exciting games to look forward to even though it is now two ranked teams playing this week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 26, 2005, 03:47:47 am
sorry about that,  even though it is not two ranked teams playing
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: onall on October 26, 2005, 08:28:49 am
Well we have some big games this week between HSU/McM and UMHB/ETBU, the last time this scenario played out I believe ETBU beat UMHB.  So first off UMHB better be focused for the tigers, which I would presume the would be, and HSU better not forget that McM has not beaten McM since HSU started football back up in 1990 so they have something to prove as well.  Some exciting games to look forward to even though it is now two ranked teams playing this week.


"McM has not beaten McM "

Funny you say that.  I can remember one game in 2002 over on the north side of town when we beat ourselves against HSU.  Up 6-0 with little time left, turned the ball over and see ya later.  14-6 Cowboys.  Good game though.  Should be a great one this weekend.  Good luck McM.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 26, 2005, 08:29:16 am
mhb8904,  I agree, UMHB could have taken care of things with a win over HPU.  Hopefully they will win out and make the playoffs.  Things went very well last year as a Pool C and playing every game on the road.  I hope history will repeat itself.  If they play like they did against HSU, I believe they can make another deep run in the playoffs.  I'm hoping we get a home game.  Right now, the most important thing is the ETBU game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 26, 2005, 10:50:04 am
ok ive been doing some thinking.  What intelligence can I add to the board.  Then I thought well not much but here is my stab at it.  And im not trying to make any excuses.

Hardin-Simmons did not play well at all on saturday.  UMHB played a hell of a game and kicked our tails.  But I believe I can honetly say the team I saw play last saturday was not the team I have seen the past weeks.  HSU is better than what they proved.  Who is the best team I have no idea, based on Saturday it has to UMHB.  I just wish we could both play our A games and really see who the best is.  Also I am going to go out on a limb and say that the team that showed up for UMHB was not the same team from the last few weeks.  UMHB put up about the same amount of points in the first half of the HSU game as they did in the entire SRSU game.  I remind you this is not an excuse just my point of view.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 26, 2005, 10:53:19 am
minni,  As the conference becomes more competitive between teams, it will be more difficult for anyone to go undefeated.  I think that is probably a good thing.  UMHB played their best game of the year, when they absolutely had to have a win.  I hope HSU and UMHB both make the playoffs.  I don't think any of the 2 loss teams can get in, but they could keep HSU or UMHB out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 26, 2005, 10:53:35 am
mhb8904 & Bill,

Well put... ditto for me.

GO UMHB! -> One game at a time... and then the playoffs!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 26, 2005, 10:58:23 am
Ralph, thanks for the e-mail, it was very helpfull.  It didn't make any decisions for me, but it did help start me thinking on the right track.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 26, 2005, 11:02:45 am
If both teams win out I don't see how you could keep UMHB out of the playoffs.  Both teams definitely deserve to be in the playoffs.  Strange things have happened in the ASC before though (2003 1 point )
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on October 26, 2005, 11:16:19 am
All HSU fans out there... i want to say good luck on the rest of the season but i also want to say i hope McMurry gets a win because we all know how hard it is to beat the same team twice in one season.

Ya it would be nice because that would give UMHB the conference if they win out, but im more worried about both teams winning out and playing again in the post season.  I know for a fact i would not want to play a team like HSU again this year.  But good luck...  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 26, 2005, 01:57:14 pm
onall, okay so McM threw two pics at the end of the game that year but HSU had 14 points before they even happend.  So yeah after HSU was up 14-6 ya'll beat yourselves but HSU still won that game and the conference that year.  So the streak still lives 15 years and counting so until then onall dream on.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 26, 2005, 02:02:26 pm
If HSU and UMHB win out I would think that the NCAA would have UMHB and HSU play in the first round.   If both teams win out that would put UMHB at HSU again just because of the fact that HSU won conference, and that would take away any chance at UMHB playing at home I would think.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: onall on October 26, 2005, 02:07:42 pm
You are absolutely right.  I wasn't implying anything other than the fact that McM (offense) didn't come through that day.  I played in that game and win or lose, we had a good defensive day.  Good luck this weekend.  I hope the Tribe can throw another curve ball at the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 26, 2005, 02:15:33 pm
I too played in that game and the defense was very effective I have to tell you that if was very frustrating playing in that game and not putting up the points that HSU is used to.  It was an ugly game for both teams and I am sure that this weekend is going to be nothing less than a war considering the two teams history.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 26, 2005, 02:22:48 pm
I would be absolutely shocked if UMHB and HSU played in the first round against each other.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on October 26, 2005, 02:26:24 pm
I know I have not posted in awhile since my relocation to Abilene.  But just wanted to remind all Indian fans attending this weekend's game against HSU to attend the Tailgate party prior to the Game.  It starts at 6:30, cost is $3.00 per person.  Come and have some fun, eat , visit, and get marooned!!!!

I am looking for a fun, entertaining game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2005, 02:35:10 pm
I would be absolutely shocked if UMHB and HSU played in the first round against each other.

The NCAA doesn't match up conference foes in the first round.  The only way I could see that possibly happening is if Trinity didn't get in, then the AA would claim it was in their best financial interest to do so. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 26, 2005, 02:36:47 pm
Bill, don't be shocked it would'nt be the first time the NCAA pulled something like that.  However, I do agree that it would be unlikely.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 26, 2005, 03:36:53 pm
The AA has pulled some wierd stunts back in the day, I remember when HSU won conference and was put in the north region to play wittenberg.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 26, 2005, 03:39:11 pm
Ron, About the only way Trinity doesn't get in is if they disband the team in the next 2 weeks! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2005, 04:20:34 pm
Stranger things have happened ... and TU has lost at Rhodes in recent memory (2003, to be exact).   The Lynx' defense is pretty doughty and they love to play spoiler. 

If TU loses, and Huntingdon doesn't get in, they'll be on the Pool C bubble, assuming DePauw wins both remaining SCAC contests to get the AQ.   No wins against playoff selectees or regionally ranked teams makes one loss risky - just ask UMHB who got left at home a couple of years ago under similar circumstances.  :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 26, 2005, 04:25:50 pm
Ron,  As I'm sure you know, Trinity closes with Rhodes (2-5), Sewanee (3-4), and Millsaps (1-5).  Not exactly the most challenging schedule.  In your opinion, who would have won in a DePauw-Trinity matchup?  How does the SCAC impact the ASC chances for Pool C?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2005, 04:37:00 pm
Look at the margins of Rhodes' losses ... all have been by five or fewer points.  They put 400+ yards up on Huntingdon, only to lose because of turnovers.  They could easily have defeated DePauw had they elected to kick (and make) some long FGs instead of constantly going for it on fourth down.  The fact that they stayed that close at DePauw tells me they're a lot better than most 2-5 teams.  They don't like Trinity a bit. 

If DePauw beats Wabash, they will have a pretty good claim on a C.  Wabash should be a playoff team even with a loss.  DPU's loss is a very tight one to Wesley, which until last week we all thought was going to be a playoff team.  Then they got their heads handed to them.  If Wesley does end up getting into the playoffs, then you would have to say that DPU's loss was to a better team than UMHB's, and there is a chance - slight - that DPU could get a bid ahead of the Crusaders.

That said I think that UMHB will be right at the upper echelon of 1-loss C contenders and they should get in regardless of what DPU does.  If you are an ASC fan, it wouldn't hurt to cheer on old Wabash during the Monon Bowl. 

Who would win a DPU-TU matchup?  I guess we'll never know, unless they meet up in the playoffs  :) 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 26, 2005, 04:41:31 pm
Ron, UMHB were not the only ones left behind a couple of years ago.    >:(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 26, 2005, 04:43:56 pm
CwbyFann,  Didn't HSU have 2 losses that season?  We seem to have a hard enough time getting in a one loss team.  I'm not trying to cause trouble, but it seems like 2 losses is a killer for any hope of getting a bid.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 26, 2005, 04:50:18 pm
Not to beat a dead horse but 1 point man, 1point and it wouldn't have mattered.  That one kind of hits close to home if you know what I mean. :)

I guess you are right, but you would think that a team that a team in the top 15 should be in the playoffs. 

I recon I will quit crying now
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 26, 2005, 04:53:55 pm
That tie breaker rule was a bad one.  There were a lot of ifs that season.  I wonder if a 32 team field would have gotten HSU and UMHB in or at least one.  That was one of the worst days I've ever experienced when the field was announced.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 26, 2005, 04:55:32 pm
You and me both.  (still have nightmares) seriously
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 26, 2005, 05:39:34 pm
CwbyFann, Let's hope we get both teams into the playoffs and they have nice long runs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on October 26, 2005, 06:53:40 pm
Yes, I know this website is called D3FOOTBALL, but as an Austin College alumnus and fan, I need something to crow about  ;D

The No. 24-ranked Austin College volleyball team clinched the American Southwest Conference East Division regular season championship with a hard fought 30-26, 30-27, 26-30, 30-16 victory over the University of Texas at Dallas on Tuesday night in Hughey Gymnasium.  The win brings the Lady ’Roos record to 29-2 on the year, including a 16-1 mark in conference play.

Go Roos !!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 26, 2005, 08:04:53 pm
I'm all about it Bill ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on October 26, 2005, 08:18:08 pm
The front page of DIII talks about the "When the NCAA's regional rankings come out Wednesday"---where can one find those rankings?  Just wondering.

GO CRU....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 26, 2005, 08:21:18 pm
Go Roocru.  Congratulations to AC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on October 26, 2005, 08:24:01 pm
Ditto, Bill....anytime you can give KUDOS to student athletes it's worth a say. :)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 26, 2005, 08:25:21 pm
Ralph & Ron,,

Thanks for all the help Brett Elliott FROM D3  FOOTBALL , Just jumped to # 7..  Keep up the good work..

www.voteforheisman.com/vote3.php

Remember you can vote once each week per e-mail address..
 GO D 3 Fotoball yes,  we can make it happen..
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 26, 2005, 08:25:39 pm
I hope the regional rankings haven't gotten mixed up in a South Texas ballot box! :)  Anything could happen!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on October 26, 2005, 08:29:08 pm
I found it, but not updated yet   http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii

this was last years....ugh...oh well...we (UMHB) must still win out...so one game at a time....

:-)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2005, 09:46:24 pm
roocru, IMO, the ASC board is fair game for any laudatory posts about any ASC schools in any sports, until Pat augments the D3sports.com site to have more features!

Technically, you posted this on one of the sub-boards of D3sports.com Posts anyway! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 27, 2005, 03:00:51 am
I sure can't believe that the sox won the series in four straight, did anyone see that coming.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2005, 09:04:18 am
Post on the USAC board sez UMHB has a non-conference game lined up next September at Christopher Newport.   Now those boys are gonna see what real D3 football is all about  :D

Re the Sox ... they made their breaks, but crimeny a lot of things went their way.  When you have a guy win a game with a HR who hadn't hit one all season long ... congrats to 'em anyway. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 27, 2005, 09:21:11 am
Ron,

UMHB added that game b/c for the last several seasons their first game has been against Williamette, but it is in the 2nd week of play for everyone else. Plus I'm sure it would have helped to play that game and win, then there would be no doubt about who the conference champ should be and who would get into playoffs. Overall I think it will be good for the cru. It will add a nationally known and usually ranked team to the schedule.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2005, 09:30:28 am
Stephen, this is a good game because:

1)  it's a South Region game!!!
2)  CNU is likely to finish next season at .667 or better in South Region games, i.e., better QOWI score.
3)  CNU wants to play tough games in their non-conference schedule.
4)  My suspicion is that they, a "state-school", have to look hard for team who will play them.  They have to fill 3 non-conference games.

Congratulations to UMHB for scheduling them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on October 27, 2005, 09:52:44 am
Ralph whose game do you like better, HSU vs. Linfield or UMHB vs. CNU?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 27, 2005, 10:08:48 am
I'm sure I'm going to lose a karma point and everyone going to give me hell.  If UMHB is so great of a team, how did they lose to an unranked team.  Sounds like someone is better than UMHB.  Before you get on here and blast me for my insane comment, take it in and reflect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 27, 2005, 10:17:49 am
I can give you the opinion of one of your very own Cowboys that said it just proves for him his thought that you really can't rank the top 25 in DIII.  Too many variables, and I'd have to say more and more each season in the ASC anything can happen.  MHB got beat by HPU who got beat by HSU who got beat by MHB...does that make them all equal? No, but I think it does say that if you don't show up with your A game every week one of these days what you bring won't be good enough.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpudad on October 27, 2005, 10:54:20 am
A truer statement has been made mhb8904.  In the ASC you had better bring the A game every week.

I have a question about the playoffs.  Has any conference had more than two teams in the playoffs at the same time?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 27, 2005, 10:54:46 am
I don't think that HSU is any less dominant than in the past.  Nor do I think that UMHB is any kind of super team.  The main thing is that the ASC in general has stepped up the level of play, and that is a good thing for all of the programs.  We now have two teams that demand national recognition, and other teams in the conference that have the ability to upset those teams.  In the mid to late 90's to 01 we didn't have that.  Don't get me wrong I would love to see HSU run the table like the good o'l days, but it is much more difficult than it used to be.    
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 27, 2005, 11:21:03 am
Wow somebody actually gave me a karma point!!! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2005, 11:25:26 am
minni, UMHB by about this much (fingertips held about 1/4" apart).   ;)

I like the UMHB game against CNU because:

1) it is South Region.  The outcome (win) boosts UMHB's, and indirectly, the ASC's QOWI.
2) I honestly believe that UMHB can defeat CNU most years, even on the road.
3) CNU has a high probability of being a playoff team most years and a ranked South Region team many years.  That means a win over CNU usually helps UMHB with South Region Rankings.

All of the above address the Primary Criteria!

An alternate philosophy is to play a really hard game out-of-region so the loss, may not hurt you.  A win will not help you either.  Did the UW-Stout loss by HSU in 2003 knock them from a Pool C bid?  With only 3 bids, probably not. Had there been 7 Pool C bids, maybe not, but it certainly would not have helped them.  The UMHB 2004 win over Pool B Willamette, "results (a win) over a Ranked team in another region" (secondary criteria), probably gave them the Pool C bid.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 27, 2005, 12:26:08 pm
hpudad, last year HSU and UMHB were in the playoffs and faced each other in the second round.  UMHB went on to Salem only to lose a very close but exciting game to Linfield.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 27, 2005, 12:29:55 pm
CowboyFann couldn't of said it any better, in my opinion the ASC is the toughest conference to play in just because now there are so many teams playing good football.  It is hard to watch now and not have HSU run the table but it makes the season lest predictable as in the past it was always HSU dominating the conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 27, 2005, 12:48:07 pm
Sorry, Tim now I'm shootin even par.   8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 27, 2005, 01:49:10 pm
Last season I felt that UMHB and HSU should have faced each other deeper in the playoffs. Perhaps a 3rd round game. It just makes for better football, than UMHB going to play Washington and Jefferson and beating them 52-13. I however do understand that the NCAA tries to manage their funds as best possible. Maybe one day we'll have to have all those northern boys come play in Texas for the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 27, 2005, 02:13:20 pm
Stephen, it is called being cheap  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2005, 03:29:32 pm
Stephen, we did in 2001, and HSU lost to Witt!

Witt trounced Thomas More in the 2nd round and then Witt lost at MUC...IMHO, a huge setback for the ASC that year.  UMHB lost convincingly at Trinity, too.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on October 27, 2005, 03:40:11 pm
Probably a stupid question.....but who is Ferrum?  I see that in the regional rankings they are #2 behind Trinity and ahead of UMHB.  I'm sure I could look around the site, but I am sure some of you know who they are.

Just curious!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on October 27, 2005, 03:41:29 pm
And the D3 Football Top 25 does not even have them ranked???  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kickhoe on October 27, 2005, 03:45:50 pm
And they are ranked #25 in the coaches poll....that does not seem to make any sense?!?!?!?  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 27, 2005, 03:49:12 pm
It's probably because those people are looking at their undefeated record and scores against their opponents...they need to look at their opponents records and see they really haven't played anybody yet...they definitely don't belong up that high thats for sure...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on October 27, 2005, 04:10:01 pm
A Willy Nelson song from several years back has been running through my mind this week prior to the McM / HSU contest

"Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 27, 2005, 06:04:43 pm
Ralph,

Hopefully last year proved something about the ASC to the northern teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2005, 06:07:50 pm
Stephen, I wish that ETBU had defeated Lycoming in 2003, too.  We (ETBU)  were ahead early, and could not score again! >:(

We are not there yet, but we are getting closer. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 27, 2005, 06:13:12 pm
Ralph, I'm not sure how Ferrum and Thiel compare to Washington & Jefferson last year.  UMHB put it to W&J.  I have to think that UMHB and HSU would do ok against Ferrum and Thiel. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2005, 06:20:32 pm
Bill, I think that the real "Northern" teams that we need to be concerned about are the OAC, the MIAC, the WIAC and the CCIW teams.

I am being cautious in this assessment.  I don't think that the Mid-Atlantic half of the South Region is representative this year. Until we have a winning record as a conference, excluding our record against Trinity which is just another Texas D3 and former TIAA (ASC) school, I am not making any boasts. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 27, 2005, 06:25:19 pm
Ralph, You're right.  It is better to be cautious.  I think we have a great chance to get a team to the semis.  When you get that far, anything can happen.  Who knows, if everything works out, maybe the ASC will host a semifinal game! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 27, 2005, 06:30:41 pm
What's the atmosphere in Abilene?  Big game this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 27, 2005, 06:48:42 pm
I'm sure I'm going to lose a karma point and everyone going to give me hell.  If UMHB is so great of a team, how did they lose to an unranked team.  Sounds like someone is better than UMHB.  Before you get on here and blast me for my insane comment, take it in and reflect.


yes, sounds like someone is better, if you're an HSU fans that goes to the game and has seen both teams play, tell me you really think HPU is better than UMHB... having seen both teams and to really think that would be insane.

HPU played better that day, they deserved to win that day.
The UMHB offense looked horrible for a number of reasons, a starting fullback out for disciplinary reasons, a tailback out for injury reasons, no blocking on the edges, the usual play calling....that's how they lost that day.

Remember, nobody down here is saying UMHB is a great team, we're just saying they've played one great game, if they play 8 more like this past one they will be a great team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on October 27, 2005, 07:39:36 pm
bcal -- If the babies don't grow up at all, they can remain McM Indians! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 27, 2005, 10:42:04 pm
bcal, I have allways prefered "Should Have Been A Cowboy" ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on October 28, 2005, 12:51:32 am

" Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys.
Make em be Doctors, Lawyers, and Indian Chiefs".

That is the way my interpation of the song goes.

Is it not great to be plalying in a game that means something!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 28, 2005, 03:48:18 am
bcal if you think this is the only game that means somthing then you have the wrong mindset, every game in the ASC should mean somthing because if you go into a game not thinking that it means something then anything is possible.  So hopefully every game means somthing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 28, 2005, 10:49:43 am
bcal, I don't know if you ever took a history class but the indians lost.   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 28, 2005, 11:04:26 am
Sorry Crukid.  Win the games and you can say youre better.  That day HPU was better.  Your excuses for the loss?
No Discipline
Players too soft
Players can't block
Oh and blame the refs.
Sounds like a great program.  I know UMHB is better than that.  I'm pretty sure they dont need you on here as their spokesman.  So please find another topic or even some other website.
Fann - youre funny
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 28, 2005, 12:19:55 pm
Hey, when does Mcm start playing games at home again?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2005, 12:41:24 pm
Cwby fann, McM puts down the new turf and track over the winter.

The decision to go with the revamped surface was based on the utilization of the field by the student body:

Football and JV  -- 110 students
An alternate venue for M & W soccer -- 50 students
A quality surface on which the Band can practice -- 60 this year with plans for 90 in the next 2 years.
Cross country/Track - M & W -- another 100

Intramurals and Phys Educ. classes-- another 450 students

That is 800 students out of a student body of 1300.

Also the track needs to be reconditioned and is used extensively in the community for walkers and joggers.

The decision to go with the new field was not just a "Football" one.  We are very happy at the progress that Mr Larned, the AD, Pres Russell and the McMurry Administration are making.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on October 28, 2005, 01:18:33 pm
sthrncwby,

In your response to CruKid, all u did was criticize him, and then agree with him.

you said:  "That day HPU was better."

he said:  "HPU played better that day, they deserved to win that day."

He gave some reasons (excuses) why UMHB lost.  Yes, you have to play the hand you are dealt on any given saturday, that is what great teams do.  We are not there yet, but are on our way.  I say this because it seems like we learned our lesson from the HPU game, did what we needed to do vs. Sul Ross, and then really took care of business against HSU.  GREAT teams learn from their mistakes and do what they need to do to accomplish their goals.  UMHB is on their way to becoming that team.  HSU still has a chance to become a GREAT team... we will see in the upcoming weeks.

Again in your response to CruKid:

you said: " [UMHB] Sounds like a great team.  I know UMHB is better than that.  I'm pretty sure they dont need you one here as their spokesman."

he said: "Remember, nobody down here is saying UMHB is a great team, we're just saying they've played one great game, if they play 8 more like this past one they will be a great team."

Again, you criticize him, but end up agreeing with him in your rebuttle.

To me this is a message board where people are able to express their opinions in the ASC. That last quote was his opinion, let him have it.  You can have your own too, but in this particular rebuttle of yours, you criticized, gave no opinion of your own as to why he was wrong, and actually ended agreeing with everything he said. 

On one last note (my honest opinion, and i agree with CruKid), you cannot actually believe based on past seasons, records, etc. that HPU is a better team overall than UMHB.  They were better that day, yes, but i believe you have to say that at this point UMHB's program is above HPU's.  This being based on a conf. championship in 2002, tri-conf. champiionship in 2003, and a run to the national championship last year in 2004. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 28, 2005, 02:18:07 pm
Ralph, I am happy to see that Mcm is doing something about the field whether it be for the students or the athletic program.  Those guys deserve better than what they were getting.  It is good to see that changes are being made.  Especially the success of the football team (but your still gonna get beat Saturday)  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 28, 2005, 02:19:34 pm
I have to admit after reading crualum's words, I was in the wrong.  I admit my faults.  Not wanting to waste any time on small matters, let us move on.  Preferably a happier note.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on October 28, 2005, 02:21:22 pm
McM lets everyone on the field at any point in the year.  Are they getting field turf or just new sod?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2005, 03:02:36 pm
McMurry is laying Field Turf.  I am not sure what brand.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Thomas on October 28, 2005, 03:12:55 pm
I notice several of you men say that the talent in the conference has improved across the board which I agree, but I think the COACHING had finally starting caught up with the HSU and UMHB.  It is getting to where other schools are getting better head coaches and assistants.  I always thought those schools had better assistants.  They did not plug in some kid who just graduated.  I feel that is more of a difference than talent.  I always thought with the bottom of the conference was not so much did not have the talent as they did not have the COACHING.  Let's face it, you can have all the talent in the world, but if a team lacks disapline and coaching, they have nothing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 28, 2005, 03:19:49 pm
Thomas,
Coaching will only carry a team as far as the ability of the players to carry out plays perfectly.  Coaches do not carry a team to the national championship, only dedicated players who believe in a dream and won't stop until they accomplish it. Coaches are very important, but I feel the talent of a team is comprised of the talent of each individual player. The coaches take that talen and perfect it as much as possible.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Thomas on October 28, 2005, 03:36:38 pm
Have you ever saw talent in D3 that dominant.  I haven't.  I understand your point to a certain extent.  If a team brings in a coach with strong assistants that he takes care of them (assistants) and the kids feel like they are being taken care of, it will spread confidence through a team.  Then when they graduate, become coaches, they will encourage there players to go to school there.  Instead of saying you do not want to go there to my old school.  I just never saw that much talent difference in a HPU and HSU or HSU and MCM in the the late 90's.    I only saw a difference in coaching.  I only saw a confidence issue.   I know by bringing in better asssistant coaches it will contuine to spread throughout the confernce. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruAlum39 on October 28, 2005, 03:49:43 pm
Thomas,
     I agree and disagree with you on this point.  I think we both know and understand that it takes both good coaching and talent for a team to dominate a conference or division.  However, in the past there has been a difference in the talent level in DIII football, at least in the ASC.  I played for UMHB from         2000-2004 and am convinced that while we have a great coaching staff, (I think the best you could ask for) i am still convinced that we won a lot of our games in conference because we out-athleted the other team.  We were bigger, stronger, and faster as a whole than the Austin Colleges', Sul Ross', McMurrys' and even TLU's.  However, this talent level is changing in the conference and becoming more evenly dispersed as of late.  I think part of this is due to the success that the ASC has had in the past couple years in the playoffs with ETBU going 3 rounds deep in 2003, HSU almost always securing a playoff spot for a long time running, and UMHB's run to the national championship last year.  Our conference is becoming more widely known and we are starting to get more and more transfers and overall better DIII football players to the teams of our conference.

Just my .02, please reply with your thoughts...

GO CRU!!!!!  GO KNIGHTS!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Thomas on October 28, 2005, 04:10:27 pm
After, '98 when all the newer schools opened up, it changed where kids had the option to go to school.  The talent spread.  Now it is spreading out more evenly. I think schools realize it is a porfitable to bring kids in to pay for school, through finacial aid , etc.  That is why you want kids you need excellent coaches.  that has chaged.   I think UMHB has a nice campus for a smaller school and I also think it is the perfect location in the state.  The university can get talent from several good players from the local towns and cities because of there location.  They can stay close to home.  Some of the best high school districts in the state are in that area.  Thus is my opinion, they will continue to be a power for years to come.   I know if they were open when I was younger, I would have played there.   I think they sometimes play down to there competition.  i will guarantee this, within the next few years they will get stronger.  It is like business what is the key to sucess, location.  The other schools will improve but it will be harder for them to compete, location.  I think HSU will still be strong with west texas kids, but they will miss out on the speed of Houston, killeen , dallas kids.  It will hurt them.  I do not think Saturday's loss was a fluck.  UMHB will eventually be a tarleton, because of location and will be that much better.   AS far as D! athletes, it is the second tear, if they were that good would they have left a D1 program , probably not.  YOu have to get in wher you fit in.  This is a soild confernece, and if you can play you can get an NFL shot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 28, 2005, 05:48:24 pm
Thomas, you make several good points about UMHB.  I also think they are in an ideal location.  They have access to many areas and they have an excellent coaching staff.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2005, 06:09:33 pm
The question is how much UMHB wants to put into the athletic program.

If its plan is now getting to be the size of Incarnate Word,  St Edwards, St Mary's, ACU and Tarleton, then does it wish to become D2?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 28, 2005, 08:13:21 pm
Ralph.

I've talked to the VP in charge of athletics at UMHB, Ben Shipp.  He's the former Baseball coach and knows the benefits of good recruiting with a scholarship program.  He took his team to the NAIA World series and finished 2d behind Lewis and Clark.  From what he has said, there are no plans for the football team to be a scholarship program.  The whole move to D3 was to allow football, bring in more guys, and make the school more academically respectable.  I can't see them making the move to D2.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on October 28, 2005, 11:17:15 pm
HSU and UMBH set at the top of the ASC.  4 teams are tied for third place.  This weekend's games will help sort out the standings.

HSU and UMBH has been the class of the ASC for several years and this season is no exception.  Both are rated in the top 25 for DIII national rankings.  The quality of play around the ASC would appear generally improved. 

McMurry University has a challange before them in the next three contest which finish out the season.  McM has HSU this weekend and it has been how many years that the cowboys have won.  The last time McM challanged HSU was in 1999.  This speaks to the quality of the teams that HSU continues to put on the field.  The Indian then go to Belton to met UMBH and then close the regular season in Abilene aganist an improved ETBU. 

The McMurry players and the coaching staff know each other and know what they can do.  The task before them is not easy, but I think they will give more than just a good effort in these last games.  These next three games will either make a great season or a good season. 

Kudos to ETBU, TLU, HPU for their improved records.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on October 29, 2005, 02:51:42 am
Somebody give crumalum39 some karma points.  Great posts 39.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on October 29, 2005, 10:29:18 am
Ralph,

The plan right now is for UMHB to grow to about 3500 undergrad students. Once we have that many students we will stay at that number. The school will not get any bigger. Therefore, I do not see the cru moving to D2 any time soon.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2005, 10:54:02 am
I understand that UMHB is busting at the seams with students.  It is becoming a very popular destination for college students.  I believe the football team and its success is helping somewhat with the increased enrollment.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 29, 2005, 11:11:49 am
Bill,

It is definitely growing.  When I started school there in 89 I'm not sure there were 1500 students, and probably less than 500 on campus.  Only four dorms back then.  When my wife graduated in 94 there were 5 girls dorms and 1 guys dorm.  Now you can add to the dorms two sets of apartments and new apt buildings being added. 

I think that the football team adds to the growth, but my hats tipped to Dr. Bawcom, he has done a great job with adminstration and the school has flourished academically, financially, and athletically.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2005, 11:14:42 am
mhb8904, I think you are right on.  Several schools have added football to help with male enrollment.  Take a look at TLU and I would think ETBU might be the same.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 29, 2005, 07:28:43 pm
The five year plan they developed last spring planned to hold enrollment at 2800 at UMHB but they've already acted against several things in the 5 year plan...I see UMHB having an enrollment of at least 31/3200 in 2010.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 29, 2005, 08:22:27 pm
Just wanted to drop in an send a Welcome to ny MHB fans who might be making the trip east next year. CNU likes the tough teams fo the non conference part of the schedule. It's making all the teams in the USASAC pick it up  little.

Hopefully CNU will have something left for you. Here's there non conference, first 3 weeks of the season:

Week 1 - @ Rowan
Week 2 - Home opener against MHB
Week 3 - @ Salisbury

What a schedule. Many of the teams in the conf. have fairly new football teams. CNU is only in it's 5th year, with it's first 4 seasons ending in the playoffs. We just played a 2nd yr team in NC Weslyan - they'll be a top 25 team in a few short years.

Anyway - come on over. I know Texas is a hotbed of talent and we also take pride in our area code 757 boys.

If you need some questions answered about the area, it's players, the game next year, travel, things to do, etc...let me know, I'll help in any way I can. Natives from here even say "y'all", so you will fell at home!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on October 29, 2005, 10:31:46 pm
There is some joy in Mudville tonight !!!!!!!  For the first time in quite a while, RooCru gets to celebrate two wins on the same day  ;D 

Congrats to UMHB and hats off to Austin College.  A special nod to Coach Norman and the rest of his staff.  It is to their credit, as well as the members of the team, that they could continue to play hard with the season they have had and pull off a victory this late in the season.  The AC faithful have been rewarded and an "0-for" is avoided.  We also get off that unenviable list of losing streaks on ATN each week.  ;)

Go Cru !!!!!  GO ROOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 29, 2005, 11:19:27 pm
and life is coming to a halt in belton as students gather around computer speakers....Go Indians.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 30, 2005, 12:13:00 am
Thanks, Cowboys...

for taking care of business!


Final:  36-25 over McM.

We need two more wins!

Congratulations!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 30, 2005, 07:59:40 am
Sounds like the game in Abilene was something else.  Bet it was fun for the people there.  Congratulations to HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 30, 2005, 08:33:13 am
Sounds like the game in Abilene was something else.  Bet it was fun for the people there.  Congratulations to HSU.

I didn't get to see the whole game, but what I saw was pretty good.  it might have been painful for HSU fans though, their QB's are apparently endangered species this year.  The good news is that Hinajosa looked pretty good, but how much of the offense does he know at this point?

Sellers was fun to watch.  He was real slippery, but it seemed like he looked to run to early. He stood in the pocket hopping around like he has ants in his pants.  I don't know if that is the norm, or if HSU did something to cause that.  I think if MHB gets after him next week that he may have some trouble.  MCM also has a truck for a RB.  I don't know who he is but from where I was he looked large.

I think next Saturday could be fun. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 30, 2005, 10:02:05 am
mhb8904,  what did you think of the McMurry offensive line?  The UMHB defense had another solid outing against ETBU.  Sellers will be a challenge for them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 30, 2005, 10:22:10 am
The O-line looked ok, but HSU was able to get a good push.  I think MHB's D should be able to cause them fits.  The real question is going to be if MHB can get to Sellers.  He seems to be a bit high strung and if they can knock him around a bit he might implode like he did with that last sack and unsportsmanlike foul.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 30, 2005, 02:11:25 pm
The HSU loss really hurt.  For the first time since QB Braxton Shavers, I thought that QB Sellers could bring us back from any one score deficit.

The failure to execute the onside kick really hurt.  I agree with the decision.  Putting the ball back into Sellers' hands might have shortened the game.

Some pundits say it is not a rivalry until one team wins.  Perhaps, but 6,225 fans saw the HSU post-season precariously perched on a 3rd string, former JV-team QB.

Hinojoza did a good job, but I think that Jones can carry the Cowboys into the Playoffs!

Go ASC!  Take care of businees on the way to the Stagg Bowl.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 30, 2005, 02:45:39 pm
I was really impressed with McMurry.  I can just now pass a BB!  ;D Sellers is simply amazing, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him give UMHB fits.  If McM plays UMHB with the same intensity, it could be interesting. McM definitely earned the respect of this Cowboys fan.  Congrats on the hard fought battle.  I have to disagree with "some pundits".  Looks like the rivalry is back!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 30, 2005, 03:21:33 pm
I wasn't at the HSI-McMurry game, but I would have to question the onside kick.  From what I read it sounds like McMurry was in the game.  Why take such a high risk and potentially give HSU such good field position.  There was a lot of time to go in the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 30, 2005, 03:25:18 pm
I think it was a good idea Bill.  No one was expecting it.  It was, however, not a great kick and nearly got one of MCM's player killed.  He was basically speared by two people diving for the ball.  I think also contributed to a swing of big Mo for the Cowboys
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 30, 2005, 03:36:22 pm
Bill, Jared May and Will Galusha were very effective as a KO Returners and I am glad they did not burn us.

(4 returns for 114 yds, 28.5 yd average and our KOs were only going about 55-60 yds.   :()

http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2005-2006/hsu2005.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 30, 2005, 04:13:23 pm
Like I said, I wasn't there.  I guess if it had worked everyone would have been talking about how brilliant it was to kick the onside.  I'm not sure what release I was reading, but it sounding like McMurry was every bit as good as HSU.  Could it have been a McMurry release? :)  Ralph, I know you are disappointed, but here's to next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 30, 2005, 04:48:14 pm
I thought the timing of the kick WAS questionable.  There was a lot of time left in the game, McM was up 25-19, and had momentum at the time.

Bigtime momentum change on that one play.

Aside from Sellers still essentially carrying the entire McM team on his back, I think the biggest stories of the game are A)  HSU's struggles in the red zone and B)  the loss of yet another HSU quarterback.

Just once, I'd like to see HSU go the entire season without a significant injury to a significant player.

Bill, FWIW, HSU drove inside the McM 20 twice (once inside the 10) and came away with nothing.  Couldn't get in the end zone and missed two short, chip-shot field goals.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on October 30, 2005, 06:49:30 pm
From the bleachers, we figured the on-side kick was chosen because our (McM) defense and special teams looked so weak.  If we get the ball, we keep our offense on the field.  If we don't, the ball doesn't end up in much worse field position than it would have been anyway, given HSU did an excellent job of returning the ball when we did kick it down the field.  There was really not much to lose. 
What won the game for HSU was their depth.  We just wore down by the 4th quarter, a common pattern.  Hinajosa is a case in point: he's the third string HSU quarterback and from the stats at the end of the game, it sounded like he may have had a better pass completion rate than Sellers.  Napoleon once said that God is on the side of the big batallions, and HSU has had that going for them year after year thanks to good recruiting results.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 30, 2005, 07:30:01 pm
McMfan, thanks for the allusion to Napoleon, European wars and history.  That is exemplary of the education that the (football) student-athletes get at McMurry. :)

The instructors at McMurry give quality instruction to those future coaches who need history credits towards their education certificates!

The fact that you shared it here will not be wasted on future student-athletes. ;) 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 30, 2005, 07:31:43 pm
Bill, I do believe that Patrick Stewart, the McM SID wrote the release.

Patrick does a very good job!  We are fortunate to have him!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 30, 2005, 09:29:02 pm
I enjoyed meeting Patrick on my trip to Abilene earlier this year.  He was very accommodating, and this blurb reminds me that I owe him some photo CDs.

I tell you what:  If McM and Ty Sellers play the way they did last night against UMHB next weekend, the Crusaders will get all they want--and then some. 

Crusaders, be ready and be warned.  The kid is a real good athlete.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on October 30, 2005, 10:03:18 pm
we'd love to see a quarterback that averages two interceptions a game...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 30, 2005, 10:32:50 pm
We McMurry fans had an ascending program in the late 90's until the wheels came off with a set of circumstances that this conference has not seen again, i.e., the agonizing death from cancer of one coordinator just after another co-ordinator took a job at a new program.

What I want to see is the way this team handles the week after the HSU game!  There is no rivalry in this conference that is bigger than HSU-McM!  HPU-HSU and HPU-McM only come close at this time in the conference.  Look at the McMurry scores after the HSU game!  It is tough to get up 2 weeks in a row in the regular season.  (Look at ONU after they beat MUC...They lost a playoff bid this weekend!)

This is the real "character" game for McMurry!  We will tell how much progress we have made after Saturday! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on October 31, 2005, 12:50:54 am
Good game McM.  A couple times I thought the game could have gone either way.

I missed the first part of the game and Jordy's injury.  Would some of you (who are in Abilene and can find out), let us know the extent of the injury and what it was, also.  I heard the announcer say that he was on crutches.

Thanks!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 31, 2005, 01:07:09 am
dsc,

I'll talk to Jordan on Tuesday.  If I find something out sooner I'll let you know.  He was on crutches and his whole leg was splinted.  The people I sat beside when I got there said he possiblely blew out a knee, hopefully that's not it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 31, 2005, 11:22:08 am
Be careful what you wish for, Crukid, Sellers is for real.  He has my vote as the best offensive player in the ASC.  Congrats to Mcm on a great game.  Ya'll gave me a bit of a scare on Saturday.  Good job by HSU stepping up and finishing the job. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 31, 2005, 11:52:02 am
McMurry and Sellers will be a real challenge for UMHB.  The defense has played very well the past two weeks.  There is a lot of speed on the Cru defense.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: onall on October 31, 2005, 12:03:51 pm
I have watched and played alot of ASC football games.  Sellers is easily the best QB I have ever seen at that level (athletic ability).  Any team in that conference would love to have him.  I am not saying that they will beat UMHB, but I bet all you HSU fans are routing harder for the Tribe than you are the Cowboys this week.  It will be a game.  UMHB always has athletes that other teams can't match up with.  Especially with their size.  It will be interesting watching the Cru playing with a frustrated defense.  Something you don't see very often.  If HSU had a QB like Sellers when they played UMHB, it would have been a totally different story!!  Good luck to everyone that competes this week in the ASC.

Just a fan
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: onall on October 31, 2005, 12:05:26 pm
McMurry and Sellers will be a real challenge for UMHB.  The defense has played very well the past two weeks.  There is a lot of speed on the Cru defense.

MCM has a very talented group of linebackers.  Especially inside with Witt and Thompson.  Watched Witt grow up.  It didn't take him long to make a name for himself on the football field. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 31, 2005, 12:12:31 pm
onall, Sellers doesn't play for HSU! :) I think the match up this week between the UMHB defense and Sellers will determine who wins the game.  McMurry will have to stop the UMHB running game and PJ Williams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Thomas on October 31, 2005, 12:39:03 pm
The McM defense has not stopped anybody this year.  I doubt this will be any exception.  You take the Sellers kid away and you are looking at another long season. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 31, 2005, 01:23:36 pm
Although I disagree with the coaching decision to attempt on onside kick, I would much rather go down by trying to be agressive than by playing too conservatively.  And the coaching staff has to be praised for the results on the field this season, even if we don't win another game (and I think we will win at least one).
As exciting as Sellers is to watch, he is not the entire team.  That belittles the ability of the ASC teams that McM has played this year, that 1 person can beat the other team. The offensive line is much improved, the receivers are talented and the running backs run hard and do their job.  The defense is lead by a talented linebacker group that any other team in the conference would be glad to have.  The secondary creates a lot of turnovers and they hit like linebackers.  The defensive line has some depth and quickness and holds their own.
MHB better show up to play because McM is not going to just show up, they will be there to win.  And this year they have the ability and the attitude that they can win every game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 31, 2005, 01:41:48 pm
Onal, I'll be pulling for the Cowboys as allways.  However, I hope UMHB wins out and rolls into the playoffs.  Its good for the ASC.  I also want to see the rematch (HSU vs UMHB).  I will say this and most HSU fans and players might agree.  If HSU wins out no matter what happens in the post season it won't mean as much If they don't get a chance to redeem themselves against UMHB.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: elcowboy on October 31, 2005, 01:57:16 pm
I've come out of retirement to make a post.  I was fortunate to be in attendance Saturday night at Shotwelll Stadium.  What a fun game to watch.  Over 6,000 fans, two bands and great weather.  HSU and MCM should get together and make it an annual affair at Shotwell.  I know MCM has made some improvements in all areas of the game but Sellers was the show.  Very few players can single handedly cange the complexion of a game--but he cerrtainly did.  I'm glad HSU won, I thought they would eventually get to Sellers and they did in the 4th quarter.  It will be interesting to see how he does against UMHB.  Two more to go then another ring for the Cowboys--see you in Seguin--ELCOWBOY      
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 31, 2005, 01:58:43 pm
As far as McM's defense, they are in the middle of the pack in most defensive categories.  They do however lead the league in causing turnovers (28, 20 interceptions and 8 fumble recoveries), 3 more than HPU's 25 turnovers in 2nd.  They are also #3 in sacks with 20.
McM plays the run well and should match up well with MHB impressive running attack.
McM will put some points on the board this weekend and if MHB puts the ball on the ground a couple of times, McM can win this one.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on October 31, 2005, 02:01:09 pm
Before Saturday, I wonder when the last time UMHB was without a rushing TD?  I would think it has been awhile. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Thomas on October 31, 2005, 02:28:59 pm
The reason the defense is inthe middle of the pack is because of the Sellers kid.  He controls the clock by running the ball.  You control the clock you control the game.  I watch all the teams and this is the first time in years McM finally is running the ball, even though it is with a QB instead of a RB.  I remember it use to be pass, pass, and the pass again.  Any team that dominates runs more than they pass.       
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2005, 03:43:50 pm
Thomas, actually McMurry has tried to run the ball the last couple of years.

In 2004, they were 2-8 but controlled the time of possession 33:28.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/football/teamcume04.htm

In 2003, they averaged 39 rushes to 28 passes on a 4-6 team and Time of Possession of 31:07.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/football/teamcume03.htm

This year, they have had 19 of their 37 TDs score from more than 20 yds.

That doesn't take a lot of time off the clock. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 31, 2005, 03:46:36 pm
HSU is a dominate team in the conference and 56% of their yards are in the air. MHB is a dominate team that punishes you on the ground.  Thomas, you quoted conventional wisdom but I don't think that totally applies to the pass happy ASC.

I have been touting Sellers as an exciting player after the 1st game of the year and got roasted by several on the board for comparing him to Adam King, former HPU star QB.  But Sellers hasn't won 5 games all by himself.  

McM has won this year on big plays both offensively and defensively and I don't think it will change over the last 2 games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2005, 03:59:48 pm
McM has won this year on big plays both offensively and defensively and I don't think it will change over the last 2 games.

The question is what happens after Sellers leaves.  I hope McM will continue to have the success it has found this year, but with him being such a dominant part of the offense am not optomistic. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 31, 2005, 04:13:20 pm
Replacing Sellers next year is a big question, same really goes for the starting linebackers. Backups haven't played much.

A respectful season (5-7 wins) should help retain the freshman and  sophomores.  The coaching staff did a great job recruiting last year and will need to do the same next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 31, 2005, 04:35:46 pm
Proudmcmdad, don't be afraid to compare Sellers to King.  I played against King on his best day (literaly) and a few other times as well, and I think he matches up extremely well.  In fact he might even be a little more mobile than the fleet footed King. 

Come on Dballa I know you've got something to say about this  ;D

I also have to agree with Ralph that Mcm has been run oriented in the recent past.  They just have not been real successful at it until this year.  I do agree that you have to be able to run the ball to be a dominate team ( or at least make people  think you can) HSU has a lot of success throwing but it has a lot to do with the fact that you must honor their running game as well.  In other words you can't be a one trick pony.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Thomas on October 31, 2005, 04:37:04 pm
I saw where they ran the ball more in those years, but was it to keep the game close or to actually win.  The now have a kid who can run and make things happen, not give it to a big back who really never had 3rd gear.   McMurry has been close with almost all the games they have played in the past few years even though their record did not show it.  I even thought they had better teams, but what always hurt they never had a person who could really move the team and if they fell bring them back.  The difference is the QB.  As far as running the ball, we all saw who made it to the championship first.   You have to run the ball to win.  That is another reason UMHB is so sucessful.  You run, you control, the clock and keep the game close.  That is why they stayed with Linfield.  Well, a great scheme and talent.  that always helps.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Thomas on October 31, 2005, 04:40:48 pm
McM LB you can replace, they are more or less the same they have had for years.  It isn't like they have completly shut out  teams.  If they do not find another play maker they will be in bind.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpudad on October 31, 2005, 04:47:54 pm
There is not much talk about HPU on the board, so I'll add a note here.  HPU won this weekend in their game against TLU.  HPU's defense had 4 interceptions in the game.  HPU was able to run the ball and completed passes when needed.  HPU's punter helped keep TLU having to travel the length of the field during the game with excellent punts.  It seems that the HPU's game is coming together.  Since the UMHB win they have not lost a game.  With the win over TLU, HPU moves into third place, all alone, in the ASC.  I think Coach Redwine and his staff have things going in the right direction.

With 2 games left against LC at Home and MC Away, I think HPU can finish the season strong and win these games, making them 7-2 in the ASC and 7-3 overall.  Thoughts...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 31, 2005, 04:49:32 pm
I was actually impressed with Mcm's defensive unit.  They did'nt give up any big plays and made HSU work for every yard.  As promised, they also got two picks.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on October 31, 2005, 04:51:55 pm
No arguements from me HPU dad.  They have made tons of progress from the beginning of the year.  New coaching staff ect.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: proudmcmdad on October 31, 2005, 05:06:21 pm
HPU proved last week that they have passed TLU as the 3rd best team in the conference. And no, I have not forgotten that they put a big time whuppin on MHB a couple of weeks back.  I would still take MHB in a repeat.

The HPU coaching staff has done a great job this year. Even with great improvement at SRSU and McM this year, I think the HPU program has made the greatest stride forward this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2005, 05:10:08 pm
Cwby Fann, I like Jones at RB! He had a great performance! He may be the key to the post-season.  Hinojoza is probably a solid QB who probably needs "not to lose" the game.  He has enough talent around it that he can direct the game.  I get the same feeling about Padron and Welch, good solid QB's who won't beat themselves.

I use those models as opposed to the teams with strong QB's like TLU's Salinas, HPU's Johnson, McM's Sellers, LaCollege's Cooper, SRSU's Davidson or even Trinity's Roy Hampton from the Stagg Bowl season in 2002 or Linfield's Brett Elliott.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2005, 05:11:21 pm
Quote
HPU proved last week that they have passed TLU as the 3rd best team in the conference.

And Proud, we were that close to beating them at Homecoming!!! :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 31, 2005, 05:26:48 pm
Hey Ralph and just think about it, we beat ETBU all over the field and were one kickoff return for a touchdown away from being tied for first place right now.  HPU is playing great and should end the season at 7-3.  Definitely a lot higher than most people outside the HPU program thought.  The coaching staff and the players have all done great this year to not make it just a rebuilding year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Phife on October 31, 2005, 05:45:16 pm
HPU looks good.  I'm glad HSU has already put them away.

Jusy AC and TLU left...HSU automatic bid!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on October 31, 2005, 06:34:56 pm
yea, HSU can thank "Mother Nature" for their automatic bid, if they finish out with wins.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 31, 2005, 06:47:45 pm
Hey cruprez,

Keeping cheering the Pruple CRUsh on to win after win... I will be in Texas the last weekend of Nov. and the first weekend of Dec. I would love to take in a UMHB playoff game... wherever they might be playing!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 31, 2005, 07:04:20 pm
cruprez,

I think it's thanks to Howard Payne and then mother nature for HSU's good fortune.  Without Howard Payne "Mother Nature" has no effect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 31, 2005, 07:20:12 pm
Congratulations Cowboys.  Huge win Saturday night.  I really had some concerns about how the Cowboys would respond after the loss to UMHB and playing against an outstanding QB in a rival game.  Sellers put on quite a show.  He is very talented and seems to run with reckless abandon.  The Cowboys need to focus on Austin College and then TLU and everything else will take care of itself.  Cowboys.....get a Roo!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on October 31, 2005, 07:41:34 pm
ah, yes, ccowboyz1, you are correct....it was both...but the HSU cowboys need to remember Mother Nature is their saving grace...this time!  Go CRU....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cruprez on October 31, 2005, 07:43:45 pm
UMHBalum-n-Catland ---we will make it a date....see you then and we will treat to some good ole Texas Bar-b-que...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on October 31, 2005, 09:05:00 pm
cruprez,

Maybe you're right.  But looking at it that way, then UMHB needs to realize that Hardin Simmons is their "saving grace" for beating HPU. ;D

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on October 31, 2005, 10:51:57 pm
Wonder who would win.........Howard Payne or Mother Nature?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on October 31, 2005, 11:57:03 pm
UMBH did beat HSU, okay we get the point but don't get to confident because if UMHB and HSU play again it will be a war.  If that scenario does happen I can't even fathom the hype that game would have.   So good luck this week to UMHB and to HSU,  Git-R-Done!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2005, 11:59:40 pm
If we get a UMHB-HSU rematch, it will  likely occur over Thanksgiving.

12 noon, Saturday November 26th, at the higher seed's field.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 01, 2005, 12:07:21 am
If we get a UMHB-HSU rematch, it will  likely occur over Thanksgiving.

12 noon, Saturday November 26th, at the higher seed's field.

That would likely be Belton, which would be good for HSU because neither team can win on its own home field.  (I think it's in the rule book. . . a 2002 amendment) ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on November 01, 2005, 12:34:02 am
Great question Weak Safety.  My first thought would be Howard Payne, but then you know how tough them Mothers can be.  Might depend on the home field advantage.

As far as a rematch between UMHB and HSU, I think both teams would look forward to it and hopefully bring their best game.  But there is lots of football to be played before that can happen.

Should both teams win out it appears HSU might be headed to San Antonio.  Would the NCAA bring a team from the East or Northeast to Belton?  It seems having only three teams in the South sure messes up the brackets for the NCAA.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on November 01, 2005, 01:44:17 am

  There is no rivalry in this conference that is bigger than HSU-McM! 

How many more years til UMHB vs HSU is the biggest rivalry game? I've now been to four games in three years that were well attended, fun, exciting games and any one of them meant more than all three of the HSU vs McM games combined in those three years.

There's all kinds of battlegrounds to pick between two baptist schools, and sharing names, and sharing colors, and it's pretty apparant from this board that most of the fans don't like each other. Sounds like a pretty big rivalry to me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2005, 07:42:01 am
In football, UMHB and HSU are big rivals, but do the basketball players, the baseball players, the volleyball players, the softball players and the soccer players all want to beat HSU more than anyone else?

That is the nature of the McM-HSU rivalry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 01, 2005, 07:55:04 am
In football, UMHB and HSU are big rivals, but do the basketball players, the baseball players, the volleyball players, the softball players and the soccer players all want to beat HSU more than anyone else?

That is the nature of the McM-HSU rivalry.

Turf War! ;)
 So . . .  I live 6 blocks from MCM in a house owned by HSU whose colors shoul I fly? :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on November 01, 2005, 08:05:38 am
8904 and RT -- Speaking of the HSU vs McM Rivalry Fall 2005 edition:
Men's Soccer: HSU 2-0
Women's Soccer: HSU 12-0 (yep, you read it right)
Football: HSU 36-25

So you live near the den of iniquity.  ;)
All the more reason to wear the winning colors as a witness for those poor, misled folk: Purple and Gold! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2005, 08:11:33 am
baddog, I was hoping that the reversal of scores, HSU volleyball over McMurry volleyball and the McMurry Women's basketball defeating the Cowgirls 2 games to 1 last year, would forbode a change in the usual winners in football as well!

Yeah, it has been a tough year vs. HSU.

Basketball should be much tighter this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2005, 08:13:10 am
On a serious note, my condolences to the family and friends of the Baptist minister in Waco who was standing in the baptistry Sunday morning when he grabbed the microphone.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 01, 2005, 08:28:58 am
Ralph,

Kyle was an acquaintance of mine.  We met for lunch once to just hang out and talk about church and the ministry.  He was exceptional and is sorely missed by many.

baddog,

I always fly the purple and gold! it just not usually for HSU.  ;D

GO CRU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: onall on November 01, 2005, 09:39:34 am
Proudmcmdad, don't be afraid to compare Sellers to King.  I played against King on his best day (literaly) and a few other times as well, and I think he matches up extremely well.  In fact he might even be a little more mobile than the fleet footed King. 

Come on Dballa I know you've got something to say about this  ;D

I also have to agree with Ralph that Mcm has been run oriented in the recent past.  They just have not been real successful at it until this year.  I do agree that you have to be able to run the ball to be a dominate team ( or at least make people  think you can) HSU has a lot of success throwing but it has a lot to do with the fact that you must honor their running game as well.  In other words you can't be a one trick pony.




Agreed.  I played against King as well.  Maybe not on his best day, but played him twice.  After watching Sellers, it's a real close match.  I would rather play King 100 more times than see Sellers.  The kid can flat out play.  Good luck to all those that are competing in the ASC Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2005, 09:49:22 am
Should both teams win out it appears HSU might be headed to San Antonio.  Would the NCAA bring a team from the East or Northeast to Belton?  It seems having only three teams in the South sure messes up the brackets for the NCAA.

Remember that the NCAA (in football, anyway) considers the "south" to be everything from TX to KY, MD, VA, and even a little of IN. 

If Huntingdon manages to get in they could very possibly be flown into Abilene.  They are 500+ miles from anyone who will be in the playoffs.  The Hawks are on the outside looking in right now, but if as many B/C eligibles lose over the next two weeks as did last week, could be right in the thick of things come selection Sunday. 

Doubt they would fly anyone from the NE or E down here.  Too far and those are fairly weak regions.  More likely someone from the "West" will be flown into one of them (the "West" includes places like Wisconsin and Minnesota that are a lot closer to the N or NE than TX). 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 01, 2005, 10:06:47 am
if both teams win out then the HSU-UMHB game would be in abilene because of the fact that HSU has the automatic bid and a pool C bid would put them at a lower seed than HSU.  So I guess that would be good for UMHB becuuse the home team never fairs out to well aparently in this rivalry.

Being a former HSU player I am have to say that in my opionion, when I first got to HSU, UMHB was not very good, and McM was had Braxton Shaver as well as many other athletes.  The HSU vs. McM game was huge but as time passed the rivalry in a way sorta lost its flame.  As UMHB turned there program into an outstanding team the a rivalry really started to develope and become intense.  By the time that I left the HSU vs. UMHB game was "the" game to watch in the ASC.  So now I think that the HSU-UMHB game is the biggest rivalry game in the conference right now.  I am not saying that HSU-McM is not a big rivalry game I am just saying that there is a little more of a flame there right now between HSU and UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 01, 2005, 10:39:29 am
if both teams win out then the HSU-UMHB game would be in abilene because of the fact that HSU has the automatic bid and a pool C bid would put them at a lower seed than HSU.  So I guess that would be good for UMHB becuuse the home team never fairs out to well aparently in this rivalry.

It would make sense that the Pool A would be higher than the Pool C, but given the circumstances and the head to head, I'm not sure it will happen that way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 01, 2005, 12:15:47 pm
When people talk about rivalry, are we talking about just football or overall programs.  If its football then UHMB vs HSU is a huge rivalry.  It is true it is always been the game of the week in the national spotlight, every year.  Now for overall programs, HSU vs McMurry is huge.  Two colleges, one town.
mhb8904 - conf champ gets pool A bid, right now its HSU.  If UMHB makes the pool C bid, UHMB would have the higher seed because of poll rankings.  That seems resonable.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 01, 2005, 12:34:02 pm
That is my understanding also.  UMHB would get the "HFA"...due to the higher "ranking/seeding."

...for any HSU/UMHB match-up!  (Would not like for it to happen on Thanksgiving weekend, however!)

Go HSU...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 01, 2005, 12:54:48 pm
But I would--I'll be in Big Spring visiting the parents!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 01, 2005, 02:09:05 pm
I don't care where or when they play I just want to see a stinkin rematch.
Don't make no mistake about it, its not revenge I'm after its the reckoning. ;D 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Zmotion10 out on 2 on November 01, 2005, 04:07:10 pm
After watching the first game I think I would be content to see someone else knock UMHB out.  HSU was outplayed in every aspect of the first game.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 01, 2005, 04:20:27 pm
No arguement that HSU got outplayed, but I firmly believe that the tables could be turned.  I am sure that most of the HSU squad would agree.  It is simply a matter of pride.  I want to see the Cowboys establish themselves as the most dominant team in the ASC once again.  To do that they have to beat UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bigcat1106 on November 01, 2005, 11:16:44 pm
anyone know anything about this d3 fantasy league??? and just for conversation...anyone think LC can beat HPU sat.???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 01, 2005, 11:23:55 pm
bigcat 1106,

1)  No...

and

2)  No...

Sorry for the short conversation! :(

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2005, 11:33:37 pm
bigcat,  a poster on the ODAC site is running a "beta-test" league for D3 on his web site.

Here are the links.  He limited the league to a few participants so he could learn what he could support and sustain.

http://www.bridgewaterfootball.com/fantasy.html

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3739.0
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on November 02, 2005, 06:22:06 am
bigcat -- LC has come a long way since the beginning of the season, but so has HPU. The respective progress  of each team is probably due to the learning curve with a new coaching staff.
HPU will be at home and had more to start with. That's the reason for my picking HPU.
However, HPU cannot take LC for granted. Right now LC is capable of winning the game. I am just predicting they will not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 02, 2005, 12:07:12 pm
Well said, Baddog.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 02, 2005, 12:21:27 pm
What are the chances of a HSU - Trinity game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2005, 12:26:55 pm
If both win out, virtually assured.  UMHB will should get a home game and the AA, to their credit, doesn't like sending conference foes against each other in the first round.  Even if it saves money.    :o

The game would be in San Antonio as TU has the higher QoW index. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 02, 2005, 12:34:33 pm
First Round?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 02, 2005, 12:35:10 pm
And does J. Neal have a chance at making an appearance?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 02, 2005, 12:43:36 pm
Tim, I'm pretty sure he is taking his medical and waiting until next year to make his return.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 02, 2005, 01:12:45 pm
I dont have much room to talk but how old will he be next year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 02, 2005, 01:32:13 pm
You're right Tim you don't have much room to talk, but I think he will be 23 or 24.  At least he won't be 37 or whatever, like the toothless wonder  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 02, 2005, 01:37:06 pm
As an 18 year old freshmen that guy was pretty darn scary! >:(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 02, 2005, 01:47:56 pm
If he does come back next year, he'll know the offense better than Wartes
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 02, 2005, 01:59:59 pm
That is a scary thing but true.  He still isn't as old as some players in the past though "sthrncwby".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 02, 2005, 02:03:38 pm
"The War is On"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 02, 2005, 02:14:10 pm
he was a good RB
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 02, 2005, 02:14:43 pm
Alot of those guys that year were transfers
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EAD/PIB on November 02, 2005, 02:18:51 pm
Quick Question, who the TXCowboy happen to be coaching in the Del Rio Texas, home of Micah Putnam and the winless Rams?  Just trying to identify this person.  Message to those boys in the Liene, doing a good job, keep up the good work, finish off those roos, and speed that train up for the playoffs!  PIB/EAD!  By the way , that is my quote, please do not use that quote in your posts, it originated in a naked bowling tournament.  Cant be used unless credit is given to the inventor. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 02, 2005, 02:20:55 pm
We have three wins, thank you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 02, 2005, 02:21:42 pm
PIB/EAD
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EAD/PIB on November 02, 2005, 03:03:22 pm
That is a hell of an idea TIM!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2005, 03:05:06 pm
And does J. Neal have a chance at making an appearance?

Word from the HSU office is that Neal is out for the season.

And, yes, if HSU plays at Trinity it would be first round. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 02, 2005, 03:45:15 pm
My Bad Gonz didn't mean to offend you. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2005, 03:48:02 pm
??? No offense implied or taken, TXCowboy. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 02, 2005, 03:50:01 pm
You better get a Roo!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 02, 2005, 04:02:21 pm
I talked to Jordan last night, and I'm pretty sure he'll be serving as coach neal for the remainder of the season.  Things also look pretty bleak for Jordy returning.  Looks like it's up to Ryan Hinajoza to run things from here out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 02, 2005, 04:12:07 pm
PIB/EAD - Give me a shout when you know where the first round game will be. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EAD/PIB on November 02, 2005, 04:13:27 pm
Dont worry about it TEX!  You live and learn from your mistakes.  Sorry about the confusion with the previous stated Del Rio record.  Yall are in a pretty tough 5A district especially with O'Conner playing tough this year.  Are your Rams going to be charging into the 5A State Playoffs?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EAD/PIB on November 02, 2005, 04:15:27 pm
Destination of which first round playoff game? If your talking about the Cowboys, I may not find out until the last minute, we will be preparing to play in Jackrabbit stadium
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on November 02, 2005, 08:25:44 pm
So Jordan Neal is going to sit out the rest of the season no matter what HSU does in the playoffs? That seems a little selfish to me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsu_alum13 on November 02, 2005, 09:05:35 pm
Stephen...pretty selfish for you to write something like that. Jordan wants to play a full season...as would you...or me or anyone...the Cowboys are just fine...plus if Jordan was to take one hit at this moment it would be his last...he just got released recently. All that to say is Jordan Neal is a class act and also a smart person. He has to consider what is also best for him and then his team. He will sit the remainder of the season...without question.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ccowboyz1 on November 02, 2005, 09:11:05 pm
Stephen,

In my opinion, it's not selfish.  Maybe self-preservation but not selfish.  I'm not sure he's even cleared to play yet, only practice.  I guess some players might opt to play a couple of extra games to be a part of the playoffs, but at what expense do you make that decision?  How prepared mentally and physically can you be in a week or two? 

Knowing Jordan, he could probably step right in like nothing happened.  I think it's his health, family and future he needs to consider.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 02, 2005, 09:12:10 pm
Stephen...pretty selfish for you to write something like that. Jordan wants to play a full season...as would you...or me or anyone...the Cowboys are just fine...plus if Jordan was to take one hit at this moment it would be his last...he just got released recently. All that to say is Jordan Neal is a class act and also a smart person. He has to consider what is also best for him and then his team. He will sit the remainder of the season...without question.

Let me second that opinion of Jordan.  If everything worked out perfect for him right now, I think Jordan would be looking at the postseason before he could play.  Someone told me, and not Jordan, that he still has 2 or 3 weeks before the docs will consider it.  I don't think him choosing to let the shoulder heal and have the rod removed is selfish.  I've seen his Xrays.  This was a real bad break.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 02, 2005, 10:44:11 pm
Ditto to all that has been said in support of Neal. Plus, the guy has been out of action for weeks. He can't be in the best shape and would have quite a bit of rust to shake off. In my opinion, it is the best decision for Neal and for the team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 03, 2005, 03:23:22 am
EAD/PIB, I don't coach in Del Rio, not even a coach anywhere.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 03, 2005, 09:57:12 am
EAD/PIB - Where is jackrabbit stadium? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 03, 2005, 11:54:50 am
EAD/PIB,
Hey man Half that quote is mine suckaface give a fellow DL some credit.
Good to know your still alive though ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 03, 2005, 12:01:43 pm
Man EAD/PIB I can use any quote I want "how bout that stat"  "EAD" or "PIB", I was using it back when we all played so it shouldn't even phase you man.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 03, 2005, 12:03:27 pm
Dont anger the small ones, they bite.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 03, 2005, 12:18:11 pm
Stephen1452, how can you say that a player is selfish for trying to heal himself all the way before he wants to play again.  I talked to him not to long ago and he still has to have a screw taken out in december and then he still has to continue therapy to get back to 100%.  So for you to say he is selfish is just wrong and you obviously don't know what your talking about.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 03, 2005, 12:29:41 pm
Steve made a mistake go easy on him. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 03, 2005, 12:30:52 pm
Trying to get some karma points back?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 03, 2005, 12:44:27 pm
obviously not
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 03, 2005, 12:45:22 pm
the point was made in earlier responses.  I beleive steve was the dead horse everyone was beating
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 03, 2005, 12:49:46 pm
Tim, who you calling small?  >:(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 03, 2005, 12:53:07 pm
Fann he wasn't talking about you he was talking about EAD/PIB
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 03, 2005, 12:53:44 pm
Yeah, I definitely think o'l Stephen got the point.  
I don't think Jordan could come back even if he wanted to.  
Wonder if Howard is taking some snaps this week.  I would definitely like to see him start working at Qb a little, even though Ryan did a great job on Saturday.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 03, 2005, 12:55:25 pm
Yeah, Gonz is kinda short ( pacs a mean punch though ) well for a little guy anyway.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: elcowboy on November 03, 2005, 01:06:11 pm
How is it that the NCAA has ranked Wesley, a team that lost to Brockport State 47-0 ahead of HSU in the south region?  Granted HSU's loss to UMBH was no feather in our hat but UMBH was nationally ranked at the time!!!   To another subject--don't look for number 10 at QB--you may see a strange number under center but it won't be 10!!  Go Cowboys   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2005, 01:37:01 pm
Because the loss to Brockport wasn't in-region.

And because they apparently have very short memories.

Also, it's UMHB, not UMBH.  Would you like it if people referred to HSU as HUS?     ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 03, 2005, 02:25:34 pm
What I'd like to see is HSU get some respect in the regional poll. 

True, they lost to a good UMHB team.  But Rowan's starting QB is out for the year, too, and HSU's QOWI--with one loss--is still higher than the Profs.  Yet the Profs are #1 in the East and HSU drops a spot this week to 7 in the South.

I know that the East is generally the weakest region, but come on!  There's still 10 other guys for HSU out on the field.  QB is important, but this is beyond me.

That's my .02 worth for today.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EAD/PIB on November 03, 2005, 02:52:35 pm
TXCOWBOY-Dont be upset that I can exceed you leeps and bounds by the span of my creativity.  I am the Founding Father of PIB/EAD.  Enough said.   "How BOut That Stat"  I am only a co-founder, credit has to be given to the pac-man, amarillo kid(the only person with a day named after him) and as T.J. calls them Uncle Casselberry and Daddy Swaim.  As to the short comments, that is below the belt kid, it aint the size of the worm that you fish with that determines the fish brought in, it is how that sucker wiggles when it is working.  Good Luck this weekend against them Joeys.  Show them a couple of reason why it is good that they are leaving the conference.  If anybody sees that SUCKA Shults, tell him to stop being a little B***H
PIB/EAD
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 03, 2005, 03:29:43 pm
EAD/PIB, don't flatter yourselft just cause you think your so creative.  It is not my fault you couldn't win on fridays when you were bowling.  It was entertaining buy all means but I think a little disturbing.  Good luck tomorrow night and tell jojo, casey, bobby, and everybody else from HSU that you coach with, that "Bookie" said hello.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on November 03, 2005, 03:58:06 pm
EAD/PIB,

The American Dream says hello!!!!  And dont worry he still has the Golden locks of curls.

COWBOYS by 50 again this week.  Its time to make a statement this week and time to hand out parting gifts to the roos.  This will be a good game for Hinojoza to start and show how much of the opffense he really knows.  I'd like to see him throw for several touchdowns.  The threeheaded monster will be out in full effect on saturday too.  All three I believe will see playing time and hopefully all can get to 100 yds. 

GO COWBOYS and GO INDIANS!!!!(thats a new one)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 03, 2005, 04:18:50 pm
Very nice prediction you may be off by one or two points but does it really matter.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on November 03, 2005, 04:23:12 pm
TxCowboy

I retract my statement about Jordan being selfish. All I knew was that he was going to take a medical red shirt. Typically for any broken bone it is 4-6 weeks you are out. I assumed he would be ready to go by playoffs. My bad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: couch_cru on November 03, 2005, 07:03:20 pm
Smart move Stevie
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 02:42:00 am
Yet the Profs are #1 in the East and HSU drops a spot this week to 7 in the South.

Hello apples, meet oranges. Also, the NCAA doesn't track who has injuries.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 09:47:15 am
EAD?PIB - What do you got going in the spring?  water polo, field hockey?  something more to your tastes?  Missed you at the wedding.  Wish you could have made it.  Good lookin out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 04, 2005, 09:48:22 am
If minni is rooting for McMurry to win tomorrow against UMHB, since that will help HSU in the standings, to keep the McM-HSU rivalry alive should loyal McM fans be rooting for McM to lose??   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 10:33:46 am
Shouldn't rivalry be between the lines?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 10:44:50 am
It would be funny, but McMurry has a chance against UMHB.  They played a close one with HPU and we all know HPU beat UMHB.  So it is possible.  If McMurry were to beat the Cru...  Huge spark for the Indians.
Kangaroos?  It dont look to good for you. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 04, 2005, 10:54:44 am
You'd better get ready to get a Roo!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 10:56:24 am
Beat 'em to the pouch
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 10:58:29 am
Minni - what is Goldie Locks doing?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 04, 2005, 11:04:53 am
Tim, one more post and your off the bench. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 11:20:13 am
Fann - What else do you coach other than FB?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 04, 2005, 12:50:43 pm
Go Indians, Cowboys, You better get ready to get a roo.  Ohhhh Yeahhh!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: elcowboy on November 04, 2005, 01:15:44 pm
Hey ron--thnaks 4 revieing mi tiping.  i dident know it was UMHB untile u potened tht otu.  Anyon wo as e-ngh tyme to comeant yon tiping kneedes 2 gt a lyfe.  GO COWBOYS. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 01:17:57 pm
HOORAH COWBOYS
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on November 04, 2005, 01:29:09 pm
tim- he works and teaches classes at HSU!!!!  He has his name in the registration book here now.  He is living the big life now.  I still cant get him a girl though.  He needs to quit being so d*#% picky.

EAD/PIB- Lance says quit being like Jojo and call him back.  Im just the messenger.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 01:38:22 pm
What might dusty rhodes teach?  Wrestling
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 04, 2005, 01:45:37 pm
Tim, its all about JH basketball.  First game is on Monday and I can't wait.   :'(

I also have power lifting and track.  Got a girl pwrlifter that is going to state.   :-\ 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 01:46:37 pm
I have 8th girls Basketball.  Start Monday.  Hoorah
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 04, 2005, 01:51:16 pm
To all teams that will play against Fann and his Bball team, watch out the way he plays is like jail ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 04, 2005, 02:02:58 pm
Amen brother, its all about the elbows.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 04, 2005, 02:04:34 pm
What they can't see won't hurt them huh?  Good luck friday and with Bball as well.  You too Tim good luck.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: onall on November 04, 2005, 02:10:33 pm
can't remember who I argued with on here about TLU weeks ago.  I commented about them being ranked in the top 25 with an 0-2 record.  I just wanted to point out that not only did they not beat HSU and will not make the playoffs, they are also sitting in a mere 5th place right now.........behind MCM.  I also made the comment that they won't make the playoffs in the next 5 years.  I would like to bump that to 10.  Look at the area they recruit from compared to others in the ASC.  TLU is and will always be a gimme on HSU and UMHB's schedules. ;)

  

Yes, I changed my name from Norman to Onall.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2005, 02:11:11 pm
Hey ron--thnaks 4 revieing mi tiping.  i dident know it was UMHB untile u potened tht otu.  Anyon wo as e-ngh tyme to comeant yon tiping kneedes 2 gt a lyfe.  GO COWBOYS. 

Well, if I "got a life" I wouldn't have the time or desire go 500 miles out of my way on a weekend to cover your conference or your football team, something I've done twice this season and probably will do a third time in the playoffs.   Thanks for playing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 04, 2005, 02:17:06 pm
ISS and 8th girls b-ball could life get much better. ;D  Good luck though
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 02:22:12 pm
Ron sounds a liitle upset.
I have eight BBall games and then I'm done till next august.  Can you say tee time 3:30.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 04, 2005, 02:58:33 pm
I hate you Tim >:(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CwbyFann on November 04, 2005, 03:13:16 pm
Ron, we appreciate your efforts.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 04, 2005, 03:48:54 pm
[quote author=onall link=topic= I just wanted to point out that not only did they (TLU) not beat HSU and will not make the playoffs, they are also sitting in a mere 5th place right now.........behind MCM.

Onall/Norman, it was not me that you were "arguing" with, however I must point out that HSU has NOT EVEN played TLU...this year...yet! :(

And the last time HSU "bragged" about beating someone, "we" got beat 35-7!!!!  :-[

So, for what it is worth...

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 04, 2005, 03:53:44 pm
My error...make that HSU loss 38-7  to UMHB!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 04, 2005, 03:55:33 pm
Fann sounds like sthrncwby has it a little better this spring
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sthrncwby on November 04, 2005, 03:58:37 pm
Where are you on the food chain with ol' sam?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TXCowboy on November 05, 2005, 03:26:23 am
Still unloading and running my area, doing a manger/supervisors job but getting paid as a regular associate.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pottsy on November 05, 2005, 03:02:49 pm
Wow!  UMHB is doing the job today.  I think this is the team we expected earlier in the year.  I would think that McMurry is not as up as they were last week.  Plus, they are playing a lot better team today.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 05, 2005, 05:37:16 pm
Way to go Purple CRUsh! And how 'bout that Dominating D! Tuneup for the playoffs and take 'em one game at a time.

Started the season in Salem (OR.), now set your sights on ending it in Salem (VA.).

It would be wild to have a re-match with Linfield.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 05, 2005, 06:15:39 pm
Yeah, Pottsy.  Great teams go for it on fourth and goal from the one to push their margin of victory to 72.  That counts as greatness in my book every day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 05, 2005, 06:21:59 pm
HPU had a chance to score late in the game with the time running out, backup QB ran it to the one and just let the time run out...Coach Redwine won't intentionally run up the score on someone..


but the way i see it...if those guys doing the scoring were seniors and this being their final home game on senior day..let them have their fun on their last game at their home stadium in front of their family and friends.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on November 05, 2005, 06:30:12 pm
UMHB had the third string qb taking knees on the 10...they could've scored again...I get tired of this running the score up talk every week...at the point when UMHB went for it on fourth and goal from the 3 the offense had yet to assert itself at that point in the game, the defense was the side that had everything in control and the UMHB offense was trying to get some momentum...in my book kicking feild goals is running up the score unnecessarily, try and run them over or give em the ball...and they did....they did turn the ball over there, they didn't "run the score up" in the first quarter. I would've done the same thing.

I think that UMHB showed today that it has one of best defenses in the country and will be a major force to be reckoned with by anybody. Ty Sellars had flashes where you could see his athleticism, but three turnovers in the first quarter killed his team. I really struggle to call him conference player of the year. Who are some other suggestions for that title ? One of the UMHB defensive players possibly, Ricky Lopez, Josh Kubiak ? Let me hear what yall think.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on November 05, 2005, 06:34:45 pm
Sorry, I forgot about the drive there in the third quarter...you were right they did go for on fourth and goal from the one....with a third string running back and second string quarterback...and 9 other non-first string players on the feild. These guys practice day in and day out all season long getting beat up and they don't get to have their time in the sun too ? if UMHB doesn't let em play they transfer to TLU or HPU and come back to hurt us next season.....again I say the same thing, kicking field goals at that point in time is rediculous. A feild goal from the one is 3 points in the bank, going for it isn't.

Any for anyone still questioning that call I was practically on top of the play, the UMHB running back jumped over the line and was a good yard into the end zone and then got hit and the ball popped up...nice hit by the McMurry backer but well after he crossed the line.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 05, 2005, 07:13:02 pm
ETBU kicker Jeremy Seeton hit a 61 yard fg as time expired in the first half.  The NCAA record is 62. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 05, 2005, 07:19:04 pm
We heard about that one, he easily broke the conference record previously held by another ETBU kicker and UMHB's kicker which was 52 yds.

HPU broke the conference record for interception return yards in a game with 6 interceptions for 261 yds.

With 1 more interceptions in their game against MC they'll tie the conference record for the season which is now 28 held by UMHB but that was in 15 games last year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2005, 07:28:52 pm
Crukid, in the middle of the 3rd quarter, UMHB had a 51-0 lead and still had defensive starters on the field.  You also had Padron taking snaps deep into the 4th quarter.

It was Homecoming and you had an 8 TD lead by the 4th quarter.  UMHB has 150+ players on the roster on the web site.

There is no such thing as redshirting so we should have been seeing some of those 4th stringers.

How many does UMHB suit up for a home game?  Only 60?  Does that mean that there are 90 guys on the roster who have no chance of seeing action in a 72-0 rout at Homecoming in front of their parents?

Maybe that is the dirty little secret that high school players should know.  At the start of the season, you may be a 4th string player "and about a quarter of an inch" out of 2nd string.  Fellow, you're gonna get lost at UMHB.  There are probably several other schools where you can develop into a really good player.  Why take the chance of not even getting to suit out.  Look at some other programs in the ASC.  HPU beat UMHB. Someone else could use you to beat the Crusaders.

I stand by my post.  UMHB needed quality reps for Padron until the last series of the game, and UMHB was going to get him for him.

Good luck representing the conference!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on November 05, 2005, 08:07:35 pm
yes, Padron, the second string quarterback (who hasn't played much if any in the last three weeks)...I'm sorry if people get their feelings upset when they get beat badly, but there were 8 minutes left in the game, you can't stop playing football, I stick by the fact that I think the players in the game at that point in the game have the right to play football and to try and play it well. I live with the third string quarterback, I think he should've been given an opportunity to score. He could've broken the school record for points in a game...I wonder what yall would've been saying about the class and dignity of UMHB then. (For anybody who is about to come on here and blast me no, I wouldn't really call plays in the last minute and a half in a 68-0 game.)

I also believe the defense has to come out in the third quarter and be prepared to play a full game. I think they also had the chip of not being able to get their shut out. ETBU and HSU both were able to ruin that for them and I think it was very important for them to ensure a shut-out this afternoon.

By the way that most posters talked on this board you would think that that McM offense was better than both the HSU and ETBU offense and as long as Ty Sellars is out there trying to run on us someone has to be out there trying to stop him from doing so.

In that 150 player roster many are playing on the JV on mon. night and their parents have already made a trek once this week. To my knowledge the Crusader policy is anyone can dress that wants to for home games, but if you're not on the traveling squad, do you really want to be that guy ?

Maybe you should make yourself a personal crusader and go to all this high school students and inform them of this dirty little secret.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on November 05, 2005, 08:30:44 pm
"the objective is to win the football game, not to humiliate your opponent."    Coach "Buddy" Fornes, McMurry College late 60s.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2005, 08:55:10 pm
I am glad Padron got his reps!  The stat sheet shows that 63 players got to play in the Homecoming game.  Another 90 guys didn't!

http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cfootball/mcmurry.htm

The UMHB defense is the quickest that McMurry has seen and there are probably no other defenses in the South Region with that speed.  That explains their success against Sellers.

UMHB has the talent and the capability to return to the Stagg Bowl.  I think that becomes the definition of a successful season.  Good luck.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 05, 2005, 09:56:27 pm
Yeah, Pottsy.  Great teams go for it on fourth and goal from the one to push their margin of victory to 72.  That counts as greatness in my book every day.

Josh,

I was at the game.  I there were still seven minutes on the clock.  Which is worse letting your freshmen and sophomores, who were being led by the 3rd string qb, go for it on 4th and goal or having the 3rd string qb take a knee with 7+ to go.  I think the latter is showing the other team up.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 05, 2005, 10:11:22 pm
Then we obviously will have to agree to disagree.  When you're winning by 65, you don't go for it on fourth and anything--even if the twelfth string quarterback is in.  Kick the field goal.

That TD made me sick.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 05, 2005, 10:11:40 pm
I am glad Padron got his reps!  The stat sheet shows that 63 players got to play in the Homecoming game.  Another 90 guys didn't!

Ralph,

I'm going to guess that everyone who suited played, I can't be sure, but I think that was the case.  What I can tell you is that there were people on the field the last 10 minutes of the game who's numbers didn't even show up in the program.  I know because I was looking.  Most of the offense on the field was freshman and sophmores.  The last 3 tds were scored by Chris Owen--Soph, Eric Schoenert--So, & Tommy Valdel--Fr.  I really don't think they were trying to run up the score.  Truthfully, this game was not even 72-0 close.  It could have been a lot worse, and you know, Ralph, that I don't get on here talking crap.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 05, 2005, 10:13:08 pm
Then we obviously will have to agree to disagree.  Kick the field goal.  That TD made me sick.  Period.

OK.  We can agree to disagree on this one Josh.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 05, 2005, 10:41:51 pm
Kick the field goal and the score is 68-0 rather than 72-0. Yeah, that makes a big difference.

At some point a team has to rise up and make a play. It is not a winning team's responsibility to keep the score respectable.

I have been on the short end of some long scores. In fact, in one game we were being shut out and were down big. Our offense moved the ball inside the opponent's 20 and the opposing coach put all his defensive starters back in to preserve the shut out - which they did. It did not bother me then and it would not bother me now.

In Oregon if a high school team gets down by 45 points, the remainder of game is played with a running clock. While the goal is to keep the score down, the unintended result is that team now has the "stigma" of being "45'd," because everyone is aware of the rule.

When one team dominates another, the prevailing team can't win. No matter what they do, someone will say, "They should have pulled the starters earlier," or "They shouldn't have passed," or "They should have _____________."

The game is football, not some self-esteem boosting social engineering experiment.

The day that UMHB or any other team I happen to favor gets pasted 72-0, I will  say "That's life" and accept it.

A good friend of mine, who is a very successful 5A coach in Texas, says, "You live by the sword; you die by the sword." Meaning, some days you are the windshield and some days you are the bug.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on November 05, 2005, 10:58:00 pm
This is my opinion on the situation. UMHB doesn't have a ticket to the playoffs yet. Therefore, UMHB has to prove every week that they are a playoff team. A 72-0 win looks alot better than a 35-0 win. So your telling me that UMHB should of kneeled the ball every play in the second half. I mean they ran up the middle and still got first downs with the second team and 3rd team in. I'm sorry but if I was a coach im not going to look into the eyes of my players and tell them to stop blocking, or stop runnning. These young guys need snaps to. Some of the guys playing second and third team can become 1st teamers in one snap. They need the experience. That's why you play is to score. If you don't like the score then i guess your a sore loser. Coach Fredenburg allows everybody to suit up. If 150 want to suit up they can. No team in the ASC has 150 players on the sidelines. Not even the almight HSU. Get over it!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crualum04 on November 05, 2005, 11:01:59 pm
Alot of guys would rather play 40 snaps on monday night, than 4 snaps on saturday. Would you give up if you went through offseason, two-a-days, and practice 4 days a week. No, you wouldn't you would try to do your best just like UMHB's young guys. Today there best was to score on McMurry more than once. It' not there fault.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on November 06, 2005, 12:43:27 am
From the UMHB website story;

 Rollins led UMHB with 158 yards rushing on 12 carries, all of them in the first half. ........ Twelve different UMHB players carried the ball and seven different players caught a pass for the Crusaders.

Let's look at this in another way using numbers.  UMHB never suits up 150 players.  The roster on their website shows 77 players with numbers and 78 without numbers (JV).  Not all 77 players with numbers suited out , some because they played JV ball this week and some because of injuries.  If all 77 did suit up that means, that because of two platooning and having three kickers,  69 are on three deep rosters and 6 are fourth string.   Sixty three did play!  Who else can you play?  They went as deep on their bench as they could. 

The only remaining thing to do is to tell the kids who seldom get into the game to not do what they have been practicing for all season. 

On the other side of the ball, did McMurry give up trying to score, give up on the pass plays and just run the ball to get the game over sooner.  McMurry had 15 drives in the game.  Four of them were not three and out and those were 6 plays, 5 plays (twice) and 4 plays.  Where does their reponsibility for the score come into play? 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 06, 2005, 01:03:49 am
roocru,

Excellent points and info.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 06, 2005, 01:20:18 am
10:30PM PST
Just got back to my computer...
gosh, Ralph, sorry about that one.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 06, 2005, 01:22:54 am
Dens,

Did the cats have a day off?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2005, 02:19:25 am
mhb8904, I would be very careful asking Dens that question.

If you think that we McMurry fans were frustrated, you haven't heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth that the Lewis & Clark season cancellation may have caused. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 06, 2005, 07:24:54 am
I talked with my son about who played and he said that everyone got into the game, including some JV kids that suited up for the game.  I don't think you ever ask your reserves to quit playing.  I'm surprised by the score, but some of that falls on McMurry.  Obviously, they didn't play as well as they have in some other games.  Just like last year, I think UMHB losing woke them up and they are a very talented team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Stephen1452 on November 06, 2005, 08:44:24 am
Let's stop beating around the bush. Mcmurray QB was supposedly the best our defense had seen all season long. However he came out and threw for 2 interceptions in the first quarter alone. UMHB's defense totally shut him down. They were also able to play contain all day. With that kind of defense it's no wonder the score was so high at the end of the game. Also, last time when we beat HSU everyone griped about umhb running up the score. Well this time around 63 players played. Like for real we had no one else on the bench. And if the 3rd and 4th string guys are coming out and playing hard and McMurray can't stop them, is that really UMHB's fault. To be honest if I were coach Fred I probably would have scored that last touchdown, but that would be running up the score and a lack of class. We didn't the QB took a knee and let the clock run. Keep in mind the cru were only 7 yards from the endzone.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 06, 2005, 10:27:12 am
mhb8904,

This week Linfield was to play Lewis and Clark. At the last minute, L&C chose to not play its Northwest Conference schedule this year. As a  result, all league teams had a hole to fill. Linfield was unable to find an opponent. It messed up a lot of plans.  As a "replacement," some Wildcat alumni played the JV. I think many season ticket holders returned their tickets for a refund.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 06, 2005, 10:41:12 am
Does anyone have an explanation for TLU's nosedive this season?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TC on November 06, 2005, 12:10:23 pm
That kick was ridiculous.   Just...   Wow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Weak Safety on November 06, 2005, 12:16:10 pm
As a "replacement," some Wildcat alumni played the JV.

Who won?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 06, 2005, 12:33:07 pm
mhb8904,

This week Linfield was to play Lewis and Clark. At the last minute, L&C chose to not play its Northwest Conference schedule this year. As a  result, all league teams had a hole to fill. Linfield was unable to find an opponent. It messed up a lot of plans.  As a "replacement," some Wildcat alumni played the JV. I think many season ticket holders returned their tickets for a refund.


You are WRONG  about that..   UMHBalum. 
 The AD  Said "  VERY FEW season ticket holders returned their tickets for refunds"  Most real cat fans donated the price of the tickets to Sports programs with out refunding ..   And over 800 hundred showed up in the rain to watch the J V's play the Older Cats..   JV's 20, Older CATS 17.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 06, 2005, 01:25:06 pm
My bad desertcat1, Sorry that I was WRONG. Please forgive me for misspeaking.  I guess I should have qualified it by saying "most of the fans people that sit around me returned their season tickets for refunds." Sorry we don't qualify as "real" Wildcat fans.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2005, 02:35:51 pm
Does anyone have an explanation for TLU's nosedive this season?

Warren, you sent me a note on this and I never got back to you ... probably because I don't really have much of an explanation.  Not even sure why Vyvial was in at QB yesterday.  Maybe teams just weren't taken by surprise like they were last season.   Or maybe they saw last year's gameplan and made the defensive adjustments necessary to contain the TLU offense. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2005, 02:36:42 pm
And over 800 hundred showed up ...

Wow, that's quite a crowd, 800 hundred. Big Ten-worthy. Most people refer to that as 80,000, though. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2005, 02:42:37 pm
Crukid, mhb8904, Pottsy, UMHB-Catland, Crualum, RooCru, Bill and Stephen,

Thanks for the info and feeback on the UMHB-McM game.  A radio account doesn't give all of the information and the story can come out afterwards from first-hand accounts.  This feeling must partially simulate that of the Mount Union 66-0 pasting of Bridgewater in the 2003 Semifinals. :(

A total whoopin'...  UMHB has the quickest defense that we have seen, which was the answer to Sellers.  I hope y'all can keep that ferocity.  It would be nice to have a Stagg Bowl Trophy (Walnut and Bronze) back in Texas.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2005, 04:26:11 pm
 :D  And the irony of the UMHB-McM game... I had Zach Newcomb as my kicker on my Fantasy League team.  I had projected him for about 10 points, 2 FG's and 4 PAT's.

I take a 72 point pasting and I don't get the benefit for my Fantasy Team!  A little whine with my jalapenos and queso! :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 06, 2005, 04:28:03 pm

  It would be nice to have a Stagg Bowl Trophy (Walnut and Bronze) back in Texas.

Indeed it would ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: billybaroo on November 06, 2005, 04:45:01 pm
There are many good players in the ASC but after watching the game Saturday I don't think there are many as good as Josh Kubiak that kid can flat out play and man will he hit you he has my vote for Defensive Player of the Year (even though I don't get to vote). What are some other players up for end of season honors. And I also don't think that you can throw out Sellers as the OPY He is the reason my McMurry has won as many games this year as they have. He had a bad game Saturday but not many have looked good against the Cru D this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 06, 2005, 05:31:13 pm
BfB:

The TLU Web-page says Salinas was injured and did not play. More woes for the Bulldogs?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 06, 2005, 06:11:30 pm
Ralph,

Thanks for keeping all the letter posters straight on the "responses" on the Homepage!

(Reference the Pool A/C bids and all.)

We can always depend on you!

With much appreciation...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 06, 2005, 07:01:58 pm
Wow!  What a weekend for Hardin-Simmons!

HSU claimed conference championships in:

Men's Soccer (2-0) over U of Ozarks
Women's Soccer (1-0) over UT-Dallas (2 OT)
....................................... .............................

Austin College won the ASC Women's Volleyball Championship over runner-up HSU (3-0)  (I think this is only the second year for volleyball at HSU)

....................................... ................................

Yeah, I know this is a football board.  So..the football Cowboys should win the ASC title (notice I said "title" not championship  ;D) next weekend with a win over TLC.)  Be prepared, Cowboys!

HSU is now ranked #8.  UMHB is #4.....and seems to get better each week!  I hope they both go deep in to the playoffs!!!

Good luck and stay healthy!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on November 06, 2005, 07:41:49 pm
I thought I was going to get the opportunity to play yesterday vs. McMurry but the game ended before they started pulling fans from my section....bummer!!

If only I'd gotten the section D tickets as opposed to Section E!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 06, 2005, 09:19:21 pm
I thought Josh Kubiak should have been a pre-season all-american based on his performance last year.  He was incredible in the playoffs.  He has gotten better each week this year.  Hope he can be an all american at the end of the year.  A Stagg Bowl championship would be nice, too! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: roocru on November 06, 2005, 10:01:25 pm
Ralph, in reply to your gracious post #1540,

You are right.  It is an awful feeling  :(  I have had my share of those in my 44 years of  playing, coaching and administering athletics.  Just remember how far the Indians have come this year as an improved team and focus on the highlights of this season as opposed to this one game.  That's what I do every week with Austin College  ;)

In addition, someone beat me to the post of the AC volleyball team winning the title,  but there was also a diver from AC, Austin Belrose, who qualified for the Nationals in the 1 meter diving as well as setting a new school record. 

Go Roos !!!!!!!  Go Cru !!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: aggielmt on November 06, 2005, 10:32:00 pm
Do y'all think the crusaders passing game has been effected this year with the loss of Austin Schrader and without the leadership of last years seniors
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: billybaroo on November 06, 2005, 10:38:21 pm
I thought Josh Kubiak should have been a pre-season all-american based on his performance last year.  He was incredible in the playoffs.  He has gotten better each week this year.  Hope he can be an all american at the end of the year.  A Stagg Bowl championship would be nice, too! :)

I will second that Bill. I will also second your post about losing giving the Cru a wake up call. Yesterday was the second time all year that the Saders played well on both sides of the ball the first being Hardin-Simmons. I feel a rool starting for the Cru just like the one they had last year. And with the Regional Rankings if I understand what every body else is breaking it down if those rankings hold UMHB could host 2 play-off games that would be wild.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on November 06, 2005, 10:55:01 pm
Was UMHB unjustifiably running up the score? Who knows?
If so, it is simply a lack of class. :-\
If not, McM just stunk up the place after leaving it all out on the field against HSU.
Funny thing, though: back a few years ago when McM was respectable and running up the score with anyone they could, they thought it was fine and could not understand anyone's protest. Now, that they are, arguably, on the other end of the stick, they whine. :'(
Seems like another case of "What goes around comes around".
That's why there is next year.
To anyone -- You don't like gettin' whipped? Good. Then stay in school, get into the weight room, work on conditioning, learn the playbook and plenty of discipline, strap it on next season and take it to them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 07, 2005, 12:16:37 am
Was UMHB unjustifiably running up the score? Who knows?

If not, McM just stunk up the place after leaving it all out on the field against HSU.


I'm going with this option.  I was just looking at the history of this game since 1999 here are the scores:

1999--McM 21  MHB 7
2000--McM   6  MHB 20
2002--McM   7  MHB 59
2003--McM   6  MHB 63
2004--McM  23 MHB 73
2005--McM    0 MHB 72
---------------------------------
Total Pts    63        294

It seems that everytime these two meet up it gets ugly.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on November 07, 2005, 12:17:48 am
Do y'all think the crusaders passing game has been effected this year with the loss of Austin Schrader and without the leadership of last years seniors

I don't think having Austin Schrader would make any difference in the crusader passing right now...he was a great receiver though, it would be real reassuring to have him and walter sharp running around cacthin balls right now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on November 07, 2005, 09:00:43 am
I realize this is a football board but I would ask that yall be in prayer for the Alvarez family.  Eric was a former Baseball player at HSU and died in a car accident this past weekend.  He was in the car with his wife and another family member.  His wife was the only one that lived and I heard she is not doing to well herself.  Im sure the family would appreciate your prayers.  It always tough when you lose a Cowboy.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2005, 09:13:12 am