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Title: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 29, 2005, 12:08:01 am
Alrighty, I'm going to let loose the hounds on another sport. There will not be editorial coverage of baseball per se, but you can talk about it here.

E-mail me or Ralph Turner if you want to have a board for your conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2005, 12:29:10 am
Thanks, Pat.  I will try to do the best job that I can moderating the ASC baseball board.

I will try to keep up with the ASC press releases and encourage other fans to post links to local features, game stories and box scores.  The ASC has not posted the 2006 schedules yet.  The first games in 2005 were the first Friday in February.

We seem to be the first board created for this purpose.  What an honor for the ASC!

Hyperlinks to the ASC Baseball web pages:

ASC -- http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/m-baseball/sporthome.htm

East Division

AC -- http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?762

ETBU -- http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/Baseball/default.htm

LeTU -- http://www.letu.edu/opencms/opencms/_Student-Life/athletics/YellowJackets/Baseball/index.html

LC -- http://www.lacollege.edu/athletics/baseball/index.html

MC -- http://www.mc.edu/athletics/baseball/index.html

Ozarks -- http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/baseball/default.asp

UT-D -- http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/BASE/BASEMAIN.htm

UT-T -- http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/


ASC-West

CUA -- http://athletics.concordia.edu/athletics.cfm?page_ID=3

HSU -- http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-basebl/hsim-m-basebl-body.html

HPU -- http://www.hputx.edu/howardpayne.aspx?pgID=1572

UMHB -- http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/default.htm

McM -- http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/baseball.htm

Schreiner -- http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/default.htm

SRSU -- http://www.sulross.edu/pages/4449.asp

TLU -- http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/

Corrections appreciated.

"PLAY BALL" :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 29, 2005, 12:09:57 pm
Thanks for the baseball
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 29, 2005, 12:25:09 pm
Sure thing. If you think you can drum up enough interest to sustain a NWC baseball board, let me know. We can create one closer to opening day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on December 29, 2005, 01:45:40 pm
Gotta love D3 Baseball!!!!  I'm Representing the NCAC... It's hard to go for Earlham Baseball because they have not been to good over the years..

But I know a little bit about OWU Baseball, Wittenberg, and Wabash.. LITTLE TO COLD to talk about baseball during baseketball season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on December 29, 2005, 01:47:26 pm
nice photo Tez18
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 29, 2005, 09:43:31 pm
nice photo Tez18

Thanks. It's never to cold for baseball
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on January 09, 2006, 10:48:15 pm
I am ready for some ASC Baseball especially watching those LC Wildcats. They have some depth on the pitcher's mound this year. They are also getting 5th year senior Scott Sumner back along with 6 or 7 starters. Can't wait to see them in action!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 11:19:18 pm
ASC Baseball site is not "up-and-running" yet!

McMurry has released its 2006 schedule!  I count 39 games.

We start with a weekend series against Chapman, a critical West Region series!  They also play a home-and-away series with Southwestern.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/schedule.htm

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 11, 2006, 07:46:10 pm
I just noticed the baseball board today...Ralph do you think we'll get enough interest to do a pick'em this year?  i enjoyed it a couple yrs ago but last year we just didn't get enough people wanting to jump in.

HPU has about 40 players in the program at the moment...should be interesting to see who makes their mark on the team this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2006, 10:45:29 pm
dballa, if you want to do the ASC Pick'em, please do it.  I will have my plate full moderating the Baseball Message Boards.

I will play if someone wants to do the ASC pick'em board.

I would suggest that you limit it to the Saturday DH.  If you want to try more games, feel free!

If we get enough interest, we can even start a Pick'em board!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2006, 10:48:20 am
Ok I'll see what I can do.  Hopefully we can get enough interest to make it more than a 2 or 3 person pick'em.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Olinemom on January 14, 2006, 01:26:57 am
ASC Baseball site is not "up-and-running" yet!

McMurry has released its 2006 schedule!  I count 39 games.

We start with a weekend series against Chapman, a critical West Region series!  They also play a home-and-away series with Southwestern.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/schedule.htm
We started with them last year on our trip to California.  They are reaaaaaaaaaaally good.  Can they ever hit the ball.  Good luck and have a great season!!


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on January 22, 2006, 12:28:19 am
Interesting site. You can see by where a MLB player went to school.

http://baseballreference.com/schools/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 10:13:08 am
ASC Pre-season Poll

EAST DIVISION Pts. 2005 Records  (First place votes in parentheses.)
 
1 Texas-Tyler (11) &         122 30-7, 16-5 ASC
2 Mississippi College (1)     102 23-18, 11-10 ASC
3 Texas-Dallas (2)              96 22-21, 11-10 ASC
4 Louisiana College (3)        94 20-16, 13-8 ASC
5 East Texas Baptist          85 34-11, 14-7 ASC
6 Univ. of the Ozarks         51 22-18, 8-13 ASC
7 LeTourneau                    32 13-22, 6-15 ASC
8 Austin College                 27 10-25, 5-16 ASC

& UT-Tyler is a 3rd-year Provisional member in the NCAA.  As a provisional member, they are not eligible for the ASC Championship or the NCAA tourney.  They are only eligible for the ASC-East title.

WEST DIVISION Pts. 2005 Records
 
1 Texas Lutheran (14)         146 35-10, 17-4 ASC
2 McMurry (4)                    129 27-19, 13-7 ASC
3 Concordia-Austin              106 22-14, 14-7 ASC
4 Hardin-Simmons (1)          103 28-19, 15-5 ASC
5 Mary Hardin-Baylor           68 15-25, 9-12 ASC
6 Howard Payne                  58 11-27, 5-16 ASC
7 Schreiner                          45 13-27, 5-16 ASC
8 Sul Ross State                  29 7-29, 5-16 ASC

Voted within each Division by institution's head coach, sports information director and selected media.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/60126baseball-ascpreseasonpoll.htm

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2006, 05:20:57 pm
UT-PB swept Schreiner 9-2,16-13 and 15-5 in a weekend series.

http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/default.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 07, 2006, 11:42:20 am
Holy crap Concordia, did you forget to recruit any pitching or are you just that bad?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 11, 2006, 08:42:33 pm
I thought we were in the South Region? Did we move out West :)

HPU beat Trinity 4-3 in the first game of a DH and Trinity won the 2nd 16-3
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 09:32:08 pm
Good win, dballa!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 11, 2006, 09:38:44 pm
Ralph I wasn't able to check out the games today since I was in Abilene watching HPU.  I don't know what happened in that 2nd game, obviously there is a large difference between the pitchers who played in the 1st game and the ones who played in the 2nd.

Any other teams playing today?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 11, 2006, 10:00:16 pm
HPU looked good in the first win. The second game was another story, the pitcher who pitched the second game also played 3b in the first game. Not sure if that wore him out or if he just didn't have his stuff. Very young team this year, should continue to get better throughout the year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 02:20:13 pm
McM lost to 2005 Defending NCAA West Region Champion Chapman 8-1.  Dickerhoff, an Ira TX native and JC transfer from Garden City JC, KS, started for McMurry.

The second game was stopped with rain in the top of the 4th.  They play the 3rd game in the series to follow.

http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/05-06/baseball/mcm-cu1.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 09:38:14 pm
McM won the Chapman series 2 games to 1.

http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/05-06/baseball/teamstat.htm#MCM-CU2

Erickson and Casey pick up the wins in today's games.

Chapman was the defending West Region Champion.  Big Poppa posted on the West Region Independents board that the #2 and #3 pitchers for Chapman maybe suspect.

Great road trip, McM!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 19, 2006, 07:42:12 pm
McM won the Chapman series 2 games to 1.

http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/05-06/baseball/teamstat.htm#MCM-CU2

Erickson and Casey pick up the wins in today's games.

Chapman was the defending West Region Champion.  Big Poppa posted on the West Region Independents board that the #2 and #3 pitchers for Chapman maybe suspect.

Great road trip, McM!   :)

I think we can see that McMurry may be one of the best teams in the West region... they took two from #4 Chapman on the weekend, who in my mind is overrated. A 4.56 team ERA for Chapman is way above their usual team ERA which has hovered around 2.00 the last few years.

McMurry faced down a giant this weekend and never blinked. Congrats on a well played series.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 21, 2006, 05:57:28 pm
Trinity defeats UMHB at Belton this afternoon 6-1....  more details when available
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 22, 2006, 06:55:21 am
http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/022106.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 22, 2006, 01:43:27 pm
HPU lost 2 to William Jewell this weekend, not sure of the score but wasn't too close.

Feb 21st HPU beat Univ of Dallas 6-5.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 01:00:12 am
McM LeTU rained out. DH tomorrow!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 04:08:32 pm
McM defeated Wayland Baptist (Sooner AC; NAIA) 9-8 on a 10th inning walk-off HR by Greg Erickson  (my bad) Craig Richardson, who had 3 solo shots.

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/022806.htm

McM is now (6-1).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 01, 2006, 04:33:14 pm
McM defeated Wayland Baptist (Sooner AC; NAIA) 9-8 on a 10th inning walk-off HR by Greg Erickson.

McM is now (6-1).

McMurry is off to a hot start with their only loss coming to #4 ranked Chapman, a team they also defeated twice. This could make for a very competitive West Regional if Chapman, McMurry and George Fox all play to their abilities, then you mix in the SCIAC champion and you are looking at a top-notch regional.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 10:34:45 pm
McM defeated Wayland Baptist (Sooner AC; NAIA) 9-8 on a 10th inning walk-off HR by Greg Erickson.

McM is now (6-1).

McMurry is off to a hot start with their only loss coming to #4 ranked Chapman, a team they also defeated twice. This could make for a very competitive West Regional if Chapman, McMurry and George Fox all play to their abilities, then you mix in the SCIAC champion and you are looking at a top-notch regional.

Big Poppa, don't forget Texas Lutheran, the pre-season pick in the West and then there is the 8 team playoff just to get the Pool A bid.

The ASC season should be excellent! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 02, 2006, 11:13:20 am
Texas Lutheran is a great program... they got hosed a few years ago when they went 31-3 and did not get an NCAA bid. It seems like the TX schools only get one team in every year. They need to have an 8-team West Region to get a few more deserving teams in.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 10:03:51 pm
Big Poppa, the ASC has a conference tourney matching the top 4 from each division.  The conference added the extra 4 teams in 2005, so we could push the tourney later into May.

However, we beat ourselves up.  There are too few Pool C bids for us to get one, so we have plenty of good teams (maybe not great ones) sitting home.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 03, 2006, 04:23:24 pm
Big Poppa, the ASC has a conference tourney matching the top 4 from each division.  The conference added the extra 4 teams in 2005, so we could push the tourney later into May.

However, we beat ourselves up.  There are too few Pool C bids for us to get one, so we have plenty of good teams (maybe not great ones) sitting home.

I agree... great conference tend to pound one another and take too many losses. It kills them at selection time when they are going head to head with a school that is 35-4 in a terrible conference and never beat anybody. I would love to see the tourney expand even more than it it now. I think tha=ey are having a few more teams this season, but there will always be someone deserving left out. I guess the key is to win your automatic bid and let the others deal with the selection process.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 12:07:30 am
http://www.lacollege.edu/athletics/baseball/stats_05-06/teamstat.htm

LaCollege has taken 2 out of 3 from both McMurry and UMHB.

Erickson is still strong as a pitcher for McMurry.  McM's Dickerhof has lost to LC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 06, 2006, 01:04:37 pm
HPU swept Univ of Ozarks this weekend.  Not sure if it was just a good showing by HPU or Ozarks isn't very good this year.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 03:51:16 pm
McM defeated SRSU 28-0 in the first game on Friday night.

They lead the Lobos 7-0 going to the top of the 7th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 03:53:14 pm
Greg Erickson shuts out the Lobos, 9-0.

Erickson gets the 7-inning complete game, 3-hit shutout and moves to 4-0 on the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 05:49:56 pm
Going to the top of the 7th, McM 6-0 over the Lobos!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 06:28:28 pm
Final Score from historic Kokernot Field,

McMurry 7, Sul Ross 0.

Eric Dickerhoff gets the 3-hit, 9-inning complete game shutout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:28:16 pm
HPU swept UMHB 12-7, 11-3, 12-9
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 01:09:23 pm
McM defeated SRSU 28-0 in the first game on Friday night.

They lead the Lobos 7-0 going to the top of the 7th.

WOW!!!!

Ralph.. looks like McMurry is the real deal this year, huh?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 01:36:52 pm
McM defeated SRSU 28-0 in the first game on Friday night.

They lead the Lobos 7-0 going to the top of the 7th.

WOW!!!!

Ralph.. looks like McMurry is the real deal this year, huh?

Big Poppa, there are 3 really big series that are occurring early in the West.

HSU managed to get a win on the road against Texas Lutheran.  McMurry and HSU play next weekend.  McMurry then goes to TLU the following weekend.

HSU Baseball site (http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2005-2006/teamstat.html)

The strongest team on the East is 3rd-year Provisional UT-Tyler, which is ineligible for the playoffs until 2007-08.  However results against UT-Tyler do count in the Regional Records.

IMHO, McMurry needs more stability in the pitching staff.  I feel very good about Greg Erickson.  Hank Casey had a good game on Friday night, and Eric Dickerhoff may have had his best game yet on Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 02:26:53 pm
Thanks for the info Ralph. It's great to have impartial(and knowledgeable) eyes in the Texas area. I enjoy the fact that you do not see things through maroon-colored glasses.

The West Region is turning out to be wide open... Chapman, McMurry, Teaxas Lutheran, Trinity, George Fox all look to have strong teams.
The SCIAC right now is topsy-turvy with Redlands out front and the two favorites, Cal Lutheran and Laverne struggling to get conference wins. It is shaping up to be quite the season and it has not really got rolling yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 02:29:53 pm
UT-Dallas and ETBU also have good teams.  HSU lost to UT-Dallas in a midweek game this week.  These are the standings thru Wed March 9, 2006.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/standings-baseball-2006.pdf

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 02:41:19 pm
We have some great games this week.

Here are the better games on Monday and Tuesday.

Monday

Franklin and Marshall at TLU

Southwestern at McMurry--big in-region game and McMurry is coming off a series on Friday and Saturday.  Fortunately, McMurry only used 4 pitchers.  I want to see how Coach Driggers handles an important in-region game against Southwestern on Monday and the game against Marietta on Tuesday.

Tuesday

F&M at UMHB
Marietta at McMurry
Southwestern at HSU
Trinity at Concordia-Austin
UW-Stout at TLU

McMurry and HSU have to figure how to use their bullpens because they have their series on Friday and Saturday...really big games!

The HSU/McM series will be great baseball! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 02:53:05 pm
Ralph.... the conference has 16 teams... do they still only get one NCAA bid? If so, it needs to be addressed. Most conferences have only 8 teams and get a bid... the American Southwest Conference should be allowed two bids or be given VERY strong consideration for a Pool C bid after the champion is crowned.

I would bet that their second place team would win most D3 conferences in the nation.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 03:40:48 pm
Big Poppa, yes, we get only one bid.  In 2006-07, the West will have 8 full members, but the ASC-East will only have 6 full members as UT-Tyler is 4th year provisional and Austin College leaves for the SCAC.

The ASC-East would not qualify as Pool A.

Imagine you are an AD or the Commisioner. The make-up in 2007-08 looks like this, when the West has 8 full members and the East has 7.

Full AQ membership qualifiers... 3 & 3 team sports, men & women, west & east.

Women's Soccer --  7 West and 7 East

Men's Soccer -- 7 West and 7 East

Women's Hoops -- 8 West and 7 East

Men's Hoops -- 8 West and 7 East

Softball -- 7 West and 7 East

Baseball -- 8 West and 7 East

Here is where the numbers fall short.  As I understand the requirements, a conference needs 5 sports for men and women.

Football 9 teams in one conference.  (6 in the West, 3 in the East.)

Volleyball -- 8 West and 5 East.

Women's XC -- 3 West and 5 East. (Neither a conference.)

Women's Tennis -- 8 West and 6 East (A Conference but no AQ.)

Men's Tennis --  8 West and 5 East

Women's Golf -- 4 West and 2 East (neither are a conference).
 
Men's Golf -- 4 West and 4 East (neither are a conference).

Women's Outdoor T&F -- 4 West and 1 East  (neither are a conference).

Men's Outdoor T&F -- 3 West and 1 East  (neither are a conference).

The debate is whether to place oneself in a tenuous positon if a school did not "make" in a sport and the conference fell below the requirements to make.

Pertinent history in the conference includes the fact that UDallas left the conference to become an independent in 2001.  Texas Weselyan University in Ft Worth went from D2 in 2000-01 thru the ASC in 2001-02 onto the NAIA Divsion I Red River AC in 2002-03.  Austin College is leaving this year.  If the rumors of a new southern super-conference plucked a Mississippi College and/or a Louisiana College, then the East would be doomed.

I hate that we are forfeiting Pool A bids, but I can understand the caution.  An aggressive integrated management by 2 separate conferences would be needed to make it work, but everyone would need to be on the same page.  The vulnerability would come when one single president changes the focus on the role of student-athletics in her/his school and leaves the conference.  That leaves everyone else scrambling.  With an excess of members, that reduces the risk of that scenario.  As I have looked at the other NAIA candidates to join D3, I don't see any prospects!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 04:19:07 pm
Ralph... sound like a very tumultuous postition to be in. I can clearly see the potential problem due to the conference instability and East/West balance. The sad thing is that the student-athletes are the ones who are getting the short end of the stick in ALL sports. I would bet that the NCAA also looks at that situation when making consideration for Pool C bids... or Pool A bids for non-qualifying sports.

Do any of those schools get lumped into the Pool B(independents) or are they only considered for Pool C bids?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 04:49:07 pm
Big Poppa, all teams are in the A/C Pools.  I don't think that the conference is looked at any differently than the SCIAC or the NWC.

In Football, HSU lost its first 2 QB's. The extra loss probably made the difference in Pool C.  HPU had an early loss to ETBU which knocked them out of the Pool A bid.

The decision by UDallas to leave may have helped them get some Pool B bids in the last 5 years in Baseball, women's soccer, and men's basketball in 2004.  However, Pool B is much trickier in this part of the country, just trying to get a decent schedule.

I honestly cannot recommend any other option than the ASC.  If the presidents thought splitting would be the option, I am certain they would do it.  Also, I cannot figure any other candidates to move to D3 from D2 or the NAIA.

Practically speaking, the NCAA's begin with the ASC Post-season tourney.  With the isolated geography, the East and West would be first round opponents anyway in the NCAA, for "geographic" proximity.

I think that the Division Championship should be emphasized even more!  It is the equivalence of a Conference championship in other parts of the country.

I want East and West to split, but only to evolve into 2 conferences that live symbiotically as they are now as divisions.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 05:01:54 pm
I think two conferences would be ideal for the ASC. You are correct on the isolated geography... I cannot imagine trying to get games against anyone other than those in the conference or traveling to another part of the country(McMurry flying to CA to play Chapman).

I was recently checking the McMurry webpage.... what a amazing facility for baseball. Looks very similar to many minor league set-ups. How do the other facilities in the ASC compare to McMurry's? I have been to Concordia-Austin to coach and they have a nice little set-up there as well... as long as the freeway hanging over left field does not bother you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 05:14:37 pm
Concordia-Austin is getting a "whole new" campus somewhere else, supposedly Round Rock.

Kokernot Field at Sul Ross may be the most historic.

Please google Kokernot Field.

HOF'er Gaylord Perry and Detroit Tiger Norm Cash both played there.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 07:26:30 pm
Concordia-Austin is getting a "whole new" campus somewhere else, supposedly Round Rock.

Kokernot Field at Sul Ross may be the most historic.

Please google Kokernot Field.

HOF'er Gaylord Perry and Detroit Tiger Norm Cash both played there.


Kokernot Field is beautiful... I wish more colleges would keep the traditional stadiums and not simply build the cookie cutter fields we see across the nation's campuses today. I think too many schools get caught up in the potential revenue created from larger staduims and forget about the historical aspects of smaller parks. I know this is not too big of an issue in D3, but many D1s are going that way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 07:01:02 pm
McMurry and Hardin-Simmons are hosting the Abilene Classis this Monday - Wednesday.

Featured D3 schools include McMurry, HSU, Southwestern, UT-Dallas, Neb Wesleyan and D3 power Marietta OH.  NAIA schools include Friends KS and Southern Nazarene OK.

No results yet, but here is the  link (http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/classic.htm).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 13, 2006, 07:14:39 pm
That should be a great week of baseball. Marietta always brings great teams to the table. It will be a good measuring stick for the Texas teams to see where they stand.

Keep us updated on the games, Ralph.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 10:34:28 pm
McMurry defeated Southwestern 16-7 today.  No details yet.

http://www.southwestern.edu/athletics/ath-home.html

I don't know whom McMurry pitched.  This being a West Region game, i would think that Coach Driggers used a  better starter.

Who he will pitch tomorrow is another question?

The HSU series begins on Friday!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2006, 09:33:00 am
McM's Andy McDougal pitched 7 strong innings in the win over Southwestern.  Brent Voorhees picked up the relief effort.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/classic.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 14, 2006, 10:39:28 am
McM's Andy McDougal pitched 7 strong innings in the win over Southwestern.  Brent Voorhees picked up the relief effort.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/classic.htm

That's a big win for McMurry. Things should start to sort themsleves out in the next week or so.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2006, 06:44:03 pm
McMurry 11, Marietta 1.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/mcmmar.htm

McMurry moves to 12-4, Marietta 2-4.

Clint Johnston gets his first win of the year in his first start.  Eric Dickerhoff got one inning of off-day work.

This still has to be considered "spring training" for Marietta, which used 4 pitchers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 14, 2006, 07:23:47 pm
Spring training or not... it is a quality win for McMurry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2006, 01:23:33 am
McMurry-Marietta (http://www.reporternews.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4542532,00.html) write-up in Abilene Reporter-News.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2006, 11:02:52 pm
McM 11 Neb Wes 3

I like the response that Coach Driggers got from the Deep Bench, three runs out of Burriss and Lee.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/mcmnwu.htm

Here are the scores from the McMurry side of the bracket.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/classic.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2006, 11:07:23 pm
Marietta 10, HSU 7.  Gametracker hyperlink is below.

http://livestats.hsuathletics.collegesports.com/livestats/data/m-basebl/422360/gt_index.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2006, 10:33:12 pm
Due to inclement weather, McMurry-HSU is postponed to Sunday (DH) and Monday aft.

(More rest for the pitchers, too.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2006, 01:23:17 am
Aw, shucks!  :(

HSU won the Tripleheader that was left over from the weekend.  The sun came out, but the 30 MPH west wind was blowing to left field.

The scores were 6-7, 13-9, and 7-5.  The Cowboys gave Greg Erickson his first loss of the season.

McMurry must re-group and go to Seguin for TLU this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2006, 12:27:56 am
TLU 7, McM 5. 

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/stats/2006/324tlmcm.htm

McMurry needs more pitching. 

TLU got to Dickerhoff in the 3rd.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2006, 07:36:49 pm
McMurry's Greg Erickson pitched a 4-hitter in a 5-1 win.

TLU's Daniel Besa one-hit McMurry in the nightcap 5-0.

TLU wins the series 2-1.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2006, 02:45:20 am
I pundited the first baseball poll and Regional Polls on the milti-region board.

Comments invited. ;)

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4159.45
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2006, 07:04:29 pm
Tuesday's McMurry at Southwestern was postponed by rain.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2006, 09:34:03 pm
McMurry defeated Southwestern 12-2 today.

The Indians pitched a 7-member committee to notch the win over the Pirates and get the season series, 2 games to none.

McM plays UMHB in a 3-game series this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2006, 06:51:03 pm
McMurry took the opener at UMHB 6-4.  Dickerhoff got the win in middle relief after Johnson started the first 5.  Carrizales picked up the save.

http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/033106-a.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 05:31:54 pm
McMurry wins the first of the DH 9-3.  Erickson goes 6 strong innings and Carrizales works the 7th.

http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/Team_stats.htm#040106-A


McM's McDougal picks up the 5-1 win in the nightcap.  Carrizales pitched the 9th and got an HR.  Brent Voorhees had 2 HR's.

http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/Team_stats.htm#040106-B

McMurry sweeps the series.

We await the CUA, TLU and HSU games to see the change in the standings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 06:59:44 pm
HSU sweeps the series with Schreiner and remains tied with McMurry for 3rd. 

http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/hsim-m-basebl-body.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 01, 2006, 10:03:35 pm
TLU beat HPU in Friday's game 12-3

In Saturday's action the teams split with TLU winning the first 2-1.  HPU had a
1-0 lead into the last inning and had 2 errors to lose the game.  Doug Wren pitched a great game.

the 2nd game HPU won 10-4.  Colby Rowley pitched a complete game for HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 10:05:10 pm
After losing 12-3 to TLU yesterday, HPU splits the DH today, losing 2-1 in the first, but winning 10-4 in the second.  This gives TLU a third loss, and they fall 2 losses behind CUA in the loss column.

Way to go Jackets!

http://www.hputx.edu/howardpayne.aspx?pgID=1603

You just beat me, dballa!   :D :D :D
I have been waiting all day for TLU to post the score, and HPU gets it up first!!! :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 10:06:41 pm
CUA swept the SRSU series.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 01, 2006, 10:11:49 pm
well it was break time during the basketball game so i thought i would get on here and see what some scores were. 

I'm just glad HPU was able to come back and play well after losing that heartbreaking first game.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 11:09:02 pm
dballa, when I looked at the Box Score for the second game, I realized that HPU got to Daniel Besa, the ASC-West POTY the previous week.  The throwing error by Matocha opened the flood gates, with Besa hitting Kunz and then Black.

That is a big win.  That keeps HPU in contention for the playoffs.

Congratulations, Jackets! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 11:53:21 pm
CUA is now 9-1.  They have at HSU (3), host McMurry (3) and at UMHB (3).  The rained-out DH at TLU on the 18th is really helping them.  CUA is 12-5 in West Region games and have 10 games remaining including hosting Southwestern in a single game on Apr 4th.

TLU is 7-3.  They play at UMHB (3), host SRSU (3), and at Schreiner (3).  TLU is 11-6-1 in West Region Games and also play Trinity on April 18th.

HSU is 8-4.  They host CUA (3), are at SRSU (3) and host HPU (3).  HSU has the season tie-breaker on McMurry.  HSU is 11-7 in West Region games with 12 remaining (also Austin College, Southwestern and Trinity)

McM is 8-4.  They host Schreiner (3), are at CUA (3) and host HPU (3).  McMurry has 12 West Region games to go (including Trinity, UT-Dallas and Austin College).  Their West Region record is 16-7.  Congratulations to Coach Driggers for a really good West Region schedule.  If we get to the NCAA's by virtue of a Pool C bid, then his scheduling will have earned it.

I really wish that CUA make-up that canceled DH with TLU. :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 03, 2006, 06:26:51 pm
Ralph... how do you keep up with all of this... you seem to know almost everything about every team in the region... amazing!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 10:00:26 am
Good morning, ASC baseball fans!

Just a quick "head's up" to let all the players and parents of the Austin College and Mississippi College baseball programs that I'll be at Saturday's double header photographing on behalf of d3sports.com. 

Please stop by and say "hi" if you get a chance, and don't forget to check out the image galleries Sunday!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2006, 06:28:01 pm
Schreiner beats Trinity 4-3! (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/default.htm)  Good win for the Mountaineers! :)

That also really helps the ASC teams when it comes to selections. :)

Trinity hosts McMurry tomorrow.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 08:12:23 pm
HSU beats AC 4-2 in one 9 inning game today.

http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/040406aaa.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2006, 04:52:34 pm
Trinity is leading McMurry 6-0 in the bottom of the 6th.

It appears that both teams went with 4th starters.

TU's Adam Frey has shut out McMurry in his 5th start of the season.

TU got to JR RHP Richard Burriss in his 3rd start of the season. :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2006, 05:54:34 pm
Ouch! Final score:  Trinity 12, McMurry 0!  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 08, 2006, 09:10:24 pm
HPU swept SRSU 8-4, 11-1, 10-7
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2006, 11:50:09 pm
McMurry beat Schreiner yesterday 12-11, but split today 2-0 and 5-8.

Not enough pitching! :-\ :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2006, 02:12:19 am
Of course, you can have pitching that is so good, that it gets noticed. :-\

Former McMurry pitcher Andrew Allar was ASC-West Freshman of the Year in 2002 and then had another good year in 2003.

He was given a scholarship to pitch for TCU.

Andrew Allar (http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/allar_andrew00.html)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2006, 10:20:10 am
CUA 9-5 over HSU on Friday night, but the Cowboys sweep Saturday's DH, 2-1, 6-3.

Partial Standings in the ASC West

CUA...........   10-3
HSU..........     10-5
McM..........     10-5
TLU...........     8-5
HPU..........      9-6


UMHB lost on Friday 4-3, but swept the DH against TLU 2-1 and 7-6.  Two weekends remain.

ASC Standings and Scores (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/standings-baseball-2006.pdf)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2006, 05:30:05 pm
McMurry beat Schreiner yesterday 12-11, but split today 2-0 and 5-8.

Not enough pitching! :-\ :(

I reviewed the box score.  Greg Erickson, who appears to be the ace of the staff, got the 7-inning shutout in the first game of the DH.  Erickson only faced 24 batters in the 7-inning game.   He had 11 SO's and gave up only one BB.   McM 2-0 (http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/mcmsch2.htm)

In the nightcap (http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/mcmsch3.htm),  the usually reliable Andy McDougal faced 3 batters in the 8th, and the usually reliable set-up man, Hank Casey could not put out the fire.  McDougal has been making the case for the #2 slot in the rotation.

The new rule of making only the first game of the DH a 7-inning game has stretched the McMurry staff, and I assume other staffs in the ASC this year.

As I typical fan, I want to see an ASC-West 2006 pennant flying over Driggers Field.  Then the conference tourney and the NCAA's. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 09, 2006, 07:15:54 pm
Baseball race is obviously tightening up...and we're in for an exciting finish and playoffs...

Go Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2006, 08:48:29 pm
UT-Dallas 5, at McMurry 3 (http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/mcmutd.htm).

UT-Dallas' pitching committee did a better job than McMurry's committee. :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2006, 12:21:47 am
The ASC's performance in the past NCAA tournaments include:

2005 TLU -West Region Finalist--losing to Chapman (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2005/Regionals/Schedule.html)
2004 McMurry -- 0-2 in Central Region Playoffs (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2004/Regionals/Schedule.htm)
2003 Miss Coll -- lost in game 9 to eventual Regional Champion Emory (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2003/Regionals/Schedule.html)
2002 Concordia Austin -- Wins West Regional, loses to Champion E. Connecticut State (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2002/Regionals/Schedule.html)
2001 McMurry -- 0-2 in West Region (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2001/Regionals/Schedule.html)
2000 Champion Texas Lutheran University Schreiner was a D-3 Provisional member.
1999 Sul Ross State in West Region (http://www.ncaa.org/releases/champselections/1999/1999051701sl.htm) (I have not found the URL for the West Region outcomes.)
1998 McMurry hosts West Region.  (http://www.ncaa.org/releases/champselections/1998/1998051102sl.htm)† No URL available for results.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2006, 06:45:36 pm
A veteran D3 observer sent me this email and is permitting me to post it anonymously.  The insights by this individual will help us D3 fans understand ASC and D3 more completely.

"The names have been changed to protect the innocent." :D


Quote
Schreiner won the tournament in 2000. 

I agree with your assessment that there are some teams beating up on each other. I think there are several good teams in the league but no great ones. I think that HSU has the best pitching, but doesnít hit as well. McMurry hits good but canít pitch. Concordia is solid, but I think McMurry takes at least two this weekend. Texas Lutheran is down and they have not hit as well as the past. 

UT-Tyler has the best athletes. UT-Dallas is solid.  I want to see them against some of the top line pitchers in the West.   Austin College is scrappy. LC has a solid pitching staff. 

I think it is what we have come to learn from ASC baseball is that everyone has lows. Our level of D3 Baseball is not near what the northern level of the country is. They are getting 4-5 kids a year that we would dream about getting once every five. There are not near as many teams playing baseball up there. 

When Montclair (NJ) State played in the Abilene Classic two or three years ago, they had Big 12 looking athletes at every position. I donít think there is a player in the league that I have seen this season that could even be a role DI player. We are getting the bottom rung of players in Texas, because so many schools play baseball. Just within 3-4 hours of Abilene you have probably 25 junior college baseball programs Ė Ranger, Cisco, Vernon, Howard, Clarendon, Weatherford, McLennan, Western Texas, Western Oklahoma, Temple, Midland, Odessa, plus all the ones in the Metroplex, Austin and Waco areas. Throw in ACU, Angelo, Tarleton, Lubbock Christian, Wayland Baptist, College of the SW, Texas Wesleyan, DBU, St. Maryís, St. Edwardís, Incarnate Word, and then all of the DIís and the teams in the league and there are a lot of teams looking for players. That is not the case in the NE or even the Midwest. There are a lot of places that do not even play baseball. 

For an ASC team to go far you have to be solid defensively and have at least one stud pitcher. There are no stud pitchers in the league this year, but a lot of very solid ones.



In all fairness to some of the ASC teams, we have held our own nicely against the Red River AC NAIA teams.  They must be close to that bottom rung as well. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 12:10:10 am
Concordia-Austin 7 McMurry 2. (http://athletics.concordia.edu/baseball/cua-31.htm)

DH tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 12:14:50 am
Schreiner splits with UMHB, 2-1 and 2-3. (http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/default.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 08:58:41 pm
McMurry comes back to sweep the DH at Concordia today, 3-1 and 3-2 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/athletics.cfm?page_ID=85).

Albert Carrizales got his first start of the season in the first game and pitched 7 strong innings for the complete game..

Greg Erickson had a complete game 7-hitter in the night cap.

This drops CUA to 11-5, while McMurry is 12-6 in West Division play. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 09:18:28 pm
HSU 14, HPU 4 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2005-2006/hpufri.html)

HSU moves to 11-5, but has the tie-breaker over CUA.

HSU and HPU play the DH tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 10:34:06 pm
TLU sweeps the DH (http://www.sulross.edu/pages/4453.asp) over SRSU today 4-0 and 8-0.

TLU moves to 11-5.  The Bulldogs won the HSU series, and share first place today.  The Cowboys can sweep the HPU DH tomorrow and get sole possession of first place.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 11:05:47 pm
UT-D sweeps the Austin College (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/BASE/schedule.htm) series, 6-5, 4-1 and 13-8.  The Comets have one series remaining next weekend against last place LeTourneau.

UT-Dallas can clinch the title next weekend.  The conference tourney will be hosted by the West #1 seed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 09:56:40 am
Standings thru April 14th for the ASC-West:

HSU        11-5         Plays DH at HPU today
CUA        11-5
TLU         11-5
McM        12-6
HPU          9-7        Hosts HSU for DH today
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 03:26:04 pm
HSU is batting in the top of the 5th.  An error contributed to a 4-run inning.  HSU leads 5-2  going to the bottom of the 5th.

Dalton Rucker on the mound for the Cowboys and will face the 3-4-5 men in the order.  Doug Wren was on the mound for the Jackets.  HPU has activity in the bull pen.

TSRN broadcast. (http://www.tsrnsports.com/Broadcast/Broad-U-HowardPayne.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 05:07:39 pm
that game ended up being HSU 7-2...HPU had way too many errors once again..

2nd game of the DH HPU is winning 5-0 in the 1st...all 9 have batted and still batting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 05:09:35 pm
After the 1st 6-0 HPU on top of HSU.

11 batted in the first for HPU, HSU had 2 or 3 errors.  About time someone other than HPU committed untimely errors :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 05:13:53 pm
C'mon dballa, I am rooting for the Jackets!

If the Jackets can give the Cowboys another loss, then McMurry has a chance to share for the title!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 05:26:28 pm
HPU 8-0 over HSU after 2 innings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 05:49:18 pm
Andrew Atwell just hit a 3 run homerun for HPU

now HPU 11-1 over HSU in the 3rd, HPU still batting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 05:52:40 pm
dballa, was the first game of the DH the 7-inning game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 05:56:13 pm
yes it was, this is the 9 inning game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:01:04 pm
HPU11 HSU 3 going to the bottom of the 4th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 06:15:52 pm
Jackets got out of a nice jam in the top of the 5th.  Rowley can earn the win now.  I hope that the staff can hold this one.

The announcers don't seem to count on Rowley's going the distance.

HPU 11-3, going to the bottom of the 5th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:17:46 pm
With how hot it is out there and how many pitches he's thrown I wouldn't think he would make it 9.

The only way I could see it is if HPU scores one more and gets out of the 7th with a shortened game :)

it's 12-3 now in the bottom of the 5th

as I said that Atwell got another base hit and drove in a run to make it 13-3
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:19:52 pm
Now it's 14-3 after a Schaffer triple and still nobody out in the bottom of the 5th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:26:58 pm
After the 5th it's now 15-3 HPU on top.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:42:27 pm
Doug Wren and Andrew Atwell have both gone 5-5 so far in the game.
All starters have at least one hit in the game for HPU.

end of the 6th HPU 17 HSU 4
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:49:19 pm
Is there not a 10 run rule anymore in college baseball?

Going to the bottom of the 7th it's still HPU 17 HSU 4

A lot of subs are coming into the game now for HSU and most likely for HPU.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 06:51:18 pm
I lost my signal.  Keep the scores coming!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:58:13 pm
HPU 18 HSU 4 end of the 7th.

Adam Garcia did come in to pitch the top half of the 7th for HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 07:11:28 pm
end of the 8th it's still HPU 18 HSU 4
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 07:13:35 pm
dballa, I am going to count HPU holding onto a 14-run lead with 3 outs remaining. ;)

Here are the standings going into the next weekend.  All teams play 3 games series.

T1)  TLU  11-5  (.688); at Schreiner.  (Has the series advantage over CUA, 1-0)
T1)  CUA  11-5  (.688); at UMHB.
T3)  HSU  12-6  (.667); hosts SRSU. (HSU has the series advantage over McM, 2-1.)
T3)  McM  12-6  (.667); hosts HPU.

TLU--can host the Tourney if they sweep Schreiner.
CUA--can host the Tourney if they sweep UMHB, and TLU loses at least one game.
HSU--can host the Tourney if they sweep SRSU and both TLU and CUA lose one  game.
McM--can host the Tourney if they sweep HPU and TLU, CUA and HSU lose one game.

HPU--can gain the final playoff spot by sweeping McMurry.

The above scenarios are the clean and simple ones.  The criteria and the tie breakers are simple.  The first criterion here is winning percentage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 07:18:11 pm
If HPU plays error free baseball next week they have a good chance of beating McM in all 3 games but thats really unlikely.

Crazier things have happened though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 07:24:16 pm
It's finally a final HPU 18 HSU 8
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 15, 2006, 07:35:33 pm
dballa, I am going to count HPU holding onto a 14-run lead with 3 outs remaining. ;)

Here are the standings going into the next weekend.  All teams play 3 games series.

T1)  TLU  11-5  (.688); at Schreiner.  (Has the series advantage over CUA, 1-0)
T1)  CUA  11-5  (.688); at UMHB.
T3)  HSU  12-6  (.667); hosts SRSU. (HSU has the series advantage over McM, 2-1.)
T3)  McM  12-6  (.667); hosts HPU.

TLU--can host the Tourney if they sweep Schreiner.
CUA--can host the Tourney if they sweep UMHB, and TLU loses at least one game.
HSU--can host the Tourney if they sweep SRSU and both TLU and CUA lose one  game.
McM--can host the Tourney if they sweep HPU and TLU, CUA and HSU lose one game.

HPU--can gain the final playoff spot by sweeping McMurry.

The above scenarios are the clean and simple ones.  The criteria and the tie breakers are simple.  The first criterion here is winning percentage.

==================

Sounds as if the ASC baseball race is one very tight thing, with two different flavors of Lutherans apparently on top. Could it be the water down there? Or which team's players are more likely to imbibe Shiner beer in their adulthood? Or maybe the theology? ;)

Please advise ....


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 08:15:22 pm
Warren, Conspiracy theorist are speculating about the decision not to make up the other 2 games in the CUA-TLU series from earlier in the season.  This definitely gives them an advantage.  A CUA-TLU split in those games could throw the division into a big tie. :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2006, 10:02:23 pm
Trinity's Britton Horn pitched 8 strong innings to shutout HSU 11-0.

With the ASC-West Division title on the line this weekend and TU playing thier last game of the season and the SCAC tourney being more than a week away, it looks like HSU pitched the Committee today, and TU bats got to almost everyone. :-\

I like TU's pitching staff best of anyone that I have followed this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 02:06:59 pm
Friday's action:

CUA 9, UMHB 8 in 11 innings.
TLU 11, Schreiner 6. 

DH's today! (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/standings-baseball-2006.pdf)

McM-HPU, HSU-SRSU and UT-D-LeTU play single games on Sunday!

CUA and TLU can clinch Co-championships with DH-sweeps today!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 22, 2006, 06:29:28 pm
HSU took two from SRSU.

6-2 and 22-1

One game tomorrow...Sunday.

(Not sure of the score in the first game, but HSU did win.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 22, 2006, 06:56:24 pm
McM won the first game 9-1 HPU won the 2nd 2-1

final game to be played Sunday.  HPU I guess is officially out of the conference tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 07:17:27 pm
UMHB 4, CUA 3 in ther first game of the DH (http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/Team_stats.htm#042206-A).

TLU 9 Schreiner 6 in the first game (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/schedule.htm).

No score from the TLU at Schreiner 2nd game yet.

TLU must win the 2nd game to clinch outright the ASC-West title.

If they lose, then HSU has the title outright.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 22, 2006, 07:26:16 pm
RT,

Doesn't HSU still have to win their game tomorrow...SRSU...to win/host the West/playoffs?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 08:19:27 pm
CUA 10,  UMHB 9 (http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/Team_stats.htm#042206-B).  The Tornados score 2 runs in the top of the 8th and 2 in the top of the 9th to come from a 9-6 deficit.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 08:21:55 pm
dsc, TLU can win the West outright, if they win the second game vs. Schreiner.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 08:34:02 pm
TLU clinches the ASC-West (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/schedule.htm) with a 16-0 win over Schreiner.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 10:33:35 pm
HPU's Justin Davies (http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/042206.htm)  gets the win over McM's Greg Erickson, 2-1.

McM's Albert Carrizales has blossomed as a starting pitcher in the month of April.  He got his second complete game (7-innings) win in the 9-1 decision. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2006, 03:13:03 pm
Last regular season game for 5 McMurry seniors, each of whom have been awarded 3 Varsity Letters to date:

Chris Manley (3B from Little Elm),
Albert Carrizales (SS/P from Crowley) who got the career record 247th hit in the 3rd inning
Craig Richardson (LF from Austin),
TJ Renshaw (C from Frisco),
Greg Erickson (RF/P from Crowley) who got the career record 51st double immediately after Carrizales'.

It has been fun following you these last four years.  Good luck in the Tourney and let's get back to the NCAA's.

Going to the bottom of the fifth, with Hank Casey on the mound, McMurry has a 12-0 lead.

The Indians got to HPU senior pitcher Doug Wren, with a hitting exhibition that we haven't seen since SRSU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2006, 04:21:32 pm
McMurry beats HPU 19-0.  Today's posting of the standings has the incorrect record for CUA.  It should be 13-6 and not 13-7 as listed.  CUA will be the 3rd seed and will travel to #2 Seed UT-Dallas.  The UT-Dallas Comets lost a DH to last place Letourneau.  McMurry will be the fourth seed and travel to Clinton.

On the West, #1-seed TLU won the West and will host ASC-East #4  Austin College.  #2-seed HSU hosts #3-seed Louisiana College.

ASC Standings posted on Saturday April 22nd. (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/standings-baseball-2006.pdf)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2006, 05:17:47 pm
Ralph:

Who's your pick to take the ASC playoffs?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2006, 05:57:54 pm
If McMurry can put together 3 good games out of their reconfigured pitching lineup at MissColl, and the bats stay awake as they did against HPU, and the thunderstorms don't mess up the progression of the series, then I like our chances.

To spark some posts, let me post my choices in the playoffs.

McMurry over MissColl
UT-Dallas to edge CUA
HSU over LaCollege.
TLU over Austin College.

TLU to host the tourney.  I see the top 6 teams in the ASC to be the ASC-West tourney teams plus MissColl and UT-Dallas.

Let me re-pick the tourney when we know the brackets.

I think the winner will be the pitching staff that puts it all together for the tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2006, 08:09:31 pm
Here is a breakdown of the season records:

Team/Overall/Division/Inter-division/other In-reg D-3/IN-Region D-3/D1/D2/NAIA/other

ASC-East Seeds 1-4

MC/27-13/14-7/5-1/3-3/22-11/1-0/2-0/0-0/0-0

UT-D/28-12/13-8/10-1/0-1/23-10 /0-0/0-0/6-2/0-0 

LaColl/18-21/10-11/4-2/2-3/16-16/0-1*/0-0/2-4/0-0  * one D1 game remaining

AustinColl/19-20/9-12/2-5/3-1/14-16/0-0/0-0/5-2/0-0

ASC-West Seeds 1-4

TLU/27-10-1/14-5/3-2-1/2-1/19-8-1/0-0/0-0/4-1/4-1**  (** vs. non-Region D3's)

HSU/25-15/15-6/5-3/1-2/21-11/0-0/0-0/4-3/0-0

CUA/21-15/13-6/3-3/2-1/18-10/0-0/0-0/3-5/0-0

McM/25-14/14-7/4-3/4-2/22-12/0-0/0-0/2-2/1-0** (** vs. non-region D3's)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2006, 09:18:13 am
Abilene Reporter-News write-up on the McM-HPU game (http://www.reporternews.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4645868,00.html).

To demonstrate how bad the batting slump that McMurry has had the last month, we see the McMurry team batting average on March 20th was .323.

Thirty-three days later, going into the final HPU game on April 23rd, the batting average had dropped to 286.

This has the best time of the season to break out of a long slump. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2006, 07:00:34 am
McMurry's Albert Carrizales pitched a 4-hitter to lead the Indians over the top seeded Choctaws by a 9-2 score in the first game of the ASC Tourney in Clinton.

TLU defeated AC 4-1.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on April 30, 2006, 07:54:25 pm
What's the latest with Miss. College and McM today? Pretty good day for HSU: ASC Softball Champs, ASC Women's Tennis Champs, Men's Tennis team playing for the ASC Championship, and the baseball team winning 2 over La. College to advance in that ASC tourney.
Doesn't HSU play the winner of today's MC-McM game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2006, 08:00:30 pm
Miss Coll came from a 10-4 6th inning deficit yesterday to beat McMurry 20-15 and then won 7-6 in 10 innings today (http://www.mc.edu/athletics/baseball/index.html).

McMurry's downfall was pitching beyond Carrizales, Erickson and Casey.

Carrizales picked up the loss today, pitching 3 1/3 innings on one day's rest and giving the winning run in the bottom of the 10th. :-\

Carrizales gave up 3 runs in 12 1/3 innings this weekend.

I wish we had 3-4 more pitchers like him.

Congratulations on a tremendous McMurry Career, Albert! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 30, 2006, 09:33:53 pm
Congratulations!!!

Yes, it was a very good week for Hardin-Simmons University sports:

ASC Softball Champions, 2006
ASC Men's Tennis Champions, 2006
ASC Women's Tennis Champions, 2006

Winners of the LC Baseball Series...to play MC next week in Seguin.

Add to that also the Men's and Women's ASC Soccer Champions in November, 2005!!!

...and still most of us HSU fans are still trying to figure out how the 2005 football championship "slipped" through our hands! ???

Good luck next weekend, Cowboys!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2006, 10:55:43 pm
TLU 11 AC 10 (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/).  TLU wins the series 2-0.  They host the tourney next week.

Austin College leaves the ASC-East frying pan and jumps into the SCAC fire.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2006, 10:59:24 pm
UT-D 9-9, CUA 8-8 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/BASE/BASEMAIN.htm).   UT-Dallas holds to advance to the Tourney.

Home teams won all 4 series.  Only McMurry took the series to 3 games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseball3 on May 02, 2006, 12:36:26 am
Whos goin to win the ASC baseball tournament? I feel Mississippi College has to be the favorite!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseball3 on May 02, 2006, 12:59:33 am
Mississippi College leads the conference in every hitting statistic. They also lead the country in home runs. Behind the Russell kid and solid pitching in the bullpen they will sweep through the ASC tournament. No pitching can consistantly hold those hitters down.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2006, 01:17:26 am
baseball3, as a McMurry fan, I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the Choctaws.

I believe that McMurry had the weakest pitching staff of the 4 West Teams.  The Chocs were shut down by Albert Carrizales, who was making only his 4th start of the year. Carrizales gave up only 3 runs in 12 1/3 innings in the Series, coming back to pitch Game 3 on one day of rest.

Our (McM) #2 starter held you to 4 runs in 6 innings.  We had no other pitching comparable to the other staffs in the West!

You scored 16 runs against the weakest bullpen in the ASC-West.  Miss College was the ASC-East team to have their series go to 3 games.

This is why we play the game, but I think that TLU and HSU will contend for the slot.  I also think that the Chocs are 2 and done.  Good luck and travel safely.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseball3 on May 02, 2006, 12:23:02 pm
Well, You might not have had good pitching, or the chocs were taking the team lightly the decided they better start playing. Erickson has the most wins out of anyone in the west side so obviously Mcm's staff wasnt that bad. And How can you explain TLU escaping Austin College, And LC has been down the last few weeks and HSU barely escaped them. I understand that is baseball. But with the leagues top hitters and one of the top pitching staffs they are sure to be a favorite.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 02, 2006, 12:34:31 pm
Post-season games always come down to pitching... regardless of how good the hitters are.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bigballer on May 02, 2006, 05:24:09 pm
you know for weeks i have  been watching the stats and reading the post....and  now finally i  have actually logged in to say something.  i think that the ASC this year is going to be a good one to watch.  but  i have to say you can look at stats all day  long and that is only going to  get you so far,  people still play  the game and anything can happer  with that said looking at the Play by Play i think that Jonathan Russel has been over thrown...he has almost  double the amount of innings then the rest of the staff and im afraid that his arm isnt goin to hold up to many more 90+ pitch games....McM hit him around alittle bit in the first game and it seems to be alittle shacky....i just want to say about MC hitting.....they are like my grandma....slow...Mr NCBWA player of the year  hasnt been doing much where have the HR been jake?   this weekend is gonna take  consistant run support to grab the title
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 02, 2006, 06:58:35 pm
...Mr NCBWA player of the year  hasnt been doing much where have the HR been jake?   

I am quite certain that he has outplayed you this season, bigballer. I guess that I am just not comfortable with people calling out a player on this board. Coaches... fine, ADs... fine, but not the players.

On a side note, it never hurts to mix in a little punctuation/grammar when posting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseball3 on May 03, 2006, 12:10:33 am
Well, with the sudden release of the All Conference Teams, this week is sure to be a good one with fridays game being a pitchers dule with the East top pitcher in Russell and the West top pitcher in Rucker. The Choctaws bats are hot and thats why they have the advantage. On the other side... I feel UTD is goin to give Newman or Besa a tough time. The comets are a hot team right now and their out to prove something.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseball3 on May 03, 2006, 10:36:44 am
Bell (Pearl, Miss.) was selected as the ASC East Division Player of the Year. The Mississippi College senior outfielder was also an All-East Division First Team selection and helped the Choctaws to the ASC East Division title.  :) Mississippi College junior right-hander Jonathan Russell (Meridian, Miss.) who was selected as both the Pitcher of the Year and the Newcomer of the Year. Six Firt team all conference players are ready for hardon simmons and a trip to Cali.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 04, 2006, 12:27:27 am
I usually delete posts from people who register, post, then delete themselves from the system, FYI...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on May 05, 2006, 07:19:59 pm
OK, let's see. baseball3 observed that HSU (by the way, baseball3, that is "Hardin-Simmons", not "hardon simmons") in sweeping LC and outscoring LC 16-10 in the series. I guess that would make HSU's outing against the mighty bats of MC a 9-1 cliffhanger. And his "sure" pitchers' "dule" did not quite turn out that way. MC got 4 hits against HSU's Rucker in 9 innings. HSU had 8 hits in 4 innings against MC's Russell. No question (seriously) -- Russell is a good pitcher. It was just a bad day to have a bad day.
Congratulations to the Cowboys, but everyone needs to remember that it is double-elimination and anything can still happen. The winner can still come from the losers' bracket.
Don't let up, but keep playing tough, Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2006, 08:57:23 pm
OK, let's see. baseball3 observed that HSU (by the way, baseball3, that is "Hardin-Simmons", not "hardon simmons" ...

altho' Hardened Sinners is an acceptable pronunciation on the South Side of town.  :D :D :D

Travel safely, friends!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2006, 09:37:55 pm
Hardened Sinners' pitching shut down the vaunted Mississippi College bats in a 9-1 victory in Seguin today in Game #5.

TLU defeated UT-D 12-7 in the other first round match, Game #6.

MC and UT-D face off in the consolation round in Game #7.  Loser goes home, and the winner faces the loser of Game #8 between the Cowboys and the Bulldogs.  Loser of Game #8 faces the Winner of Game #7 in the nightcap Game #9 tomorrow evening.

ASC Tourney (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/asc_championship_tournament.html),† with game stories and box scores!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on May 06, 2006, 05:20:55 pm
Any score from the UTD-MC game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2006, 05:24:54 pm
Any score from the UTD-MC game?
Nothing yet from my end.

They had a 3pm start and I do not find "Livestats" on the TLU site. :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on May 06, 2006, 07:50:29 pm
Still nothing from Seguin. Neither MC's nor UTD's web sites had anything.
Whazzzup?  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2006, 09:03:55 pm
Still nothing from Seguin. Neither MC's nor UTD's web sites had anything.
Whazzzup?  ???

UT-D 10, Choctaws 4 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/)

Chocs are eliminated in 2 games, which probably knocks them out of the Regional Rankings and from any Pool C consideration.

The UT-Dallas starter, Randy Black held the Chocs to no runs and 2 hits in 7 innings.  I assume that he was pulled after 7 innings to save his arm for Monday, if needed.

The vaunted Chocs offense chose a very, very bad time to go quiet! :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on May 07, 2006, 07:41:23 am
RT -- Maybe that is what baseball3 meant about MC's sweeping through the ASC tournament. They swept 2 losses and are out. :'(
Whatever, good luck to all today.
Go, Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on May 07, 2006, 06:34:40 pm
Cowboys lose 2 today and, so, are eliminated. :'(
I guess it was not any big deal beating the "big bats" of MC!  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2006, 07:01:11 pm
Cowboys lose 2 today and, so, are eliminated. :'(
I guess it was not any big deal beating the "big bats" of MC! :D
Thanks for the update.

TLU hosts UT-D tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 07, 2006, 07:07:41 pm
If I were a rabid TLU fan, I'd say "Go Bulldogs." But since I'm not, I'll merely say "Go TLU."  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All_Heart on May 08, 2006, 07:55:42 pm
TLU falters to UTD in the first game 4-3 in 10 innings, but rebounds winning the championship 6-4 to claim their 2nd consecutive ASC championship.  Off the top of my head all-tournament team was:

MVP: Aaron Crais - TLU (2nd straight year)
1B: ???
2B: Brett Rosen -UTD
3B: Scott Matocha - TLU
SS: Jacob Kaase - TLU
OF: Trent Elizondo - UTD
OF: Casey Rehfeld - TLU
OF: Ryan Stepp - HSU
DH: Nick Bird - UTD
DH: Brett Cannon - TLU
P: Daniel Besa - TLU
P: Brian Wallace - TLU
P: Trey Schurr - UTD

Once it's posted I will make corrections, fill in the 1B slot b/c I can't remember.

Congrats to the Bulldogs...

What are the chances of UTD sneaking a Pool C bid?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All_Heart on May 08, 2006, 09:34:38 pm
MVP: Aaron Crais - TLU (2nd straight year) .533, 3 HR, 10 RBI, .600 OBP,
1B: None Selected
2B: Brett Rosen -UTD
3B: Scott Matocha - TLU
SS: Jacob Kaase - TLU
SS: Jake Jackson - UTD
OF: Trent Elizondo - UTD
OF: Casey Rehfeld - TLU
OF: Ryan Stepp - HSU
DH: Nick Bird - UTD
DH: Brett Cannon - TLU
P: Daniel Besa - TLU
P: Brian Wallace - TLU
P: Trey Schurr - UTD

LINK (tournament team):
http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/news/060508_all_tournament%20team.html

STATISTICS:
http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/news/asc_day4_indiv_stats.doc
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2006, 06:23:04 am
TLU falters to UTD in the first game 4-3 in 10 innings, but rebounds winning the championship 6-4 to claim their 2nd consecutive ASC championship.  Off the top of my head all-tournament team was:

MVP: Aaron Crais - TLU (2nd straight year)
1B: ???
2B: Brett Rosen -UTD
3B: Scott Matocha - TLU
SS: Jacob Kaase - TLU
OF: Trent Elizondo - UTD
OF: Casey Rehfeld - TLU
OF: Ryan Stepp - HSU
DH: Nick Bird - UTD
DH: Brett Cannon - TLU
P: Daniel Besa - TLU
P: Brian Wallace - TLU
P: Trey Schurr - UTD

Once it's posted I will make corrections, fill in the 1B slot b/c I can't remember.

Congrats to the Bulldogs...

What are the chances of UTD sneaking a Pool C bid?



Props to TLU!  Go far in the playoffs!

As for UT-D's chances, let's look at the Regional Rankings.  I don't think that UTD has enough quality wins. 

Secondly, I would encourage UT-D to play a tougher non-ASC schedule.  The only D3 game that I saw that looked interesting was one game at Southwetern.

I think that going to California for Chapman or CSU-East Bay or NWC teams like George Fox will help with the Quality of Wins Index.

Next year, maybe UTD can get some teams from Wisconsin or Minnesota to play when they come for spring training.  They will be "in-region" games from geographic region #4.  Next year Austin College will be a another non-ASC opponent.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on May 09, 2006, 11:04:22 am
Wisconsin or MN?  I really dont see how that would help their non-conference schedule?  Just my thought...  I will post my West-Regional prediction on here shortly....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All_Heart on May 09, 2006, 12:24:47 pm
It's not always easy to get a good tough non-conference schedule.  I know some universities don't have the means to go out West and play teams like Chapman like McMurry did this year. I agree with you about UTD's chances at an at large bid, though they are a good team that would compete well at the regional level.  I know last year ETBU and Hardin-Simmons were both as tough as Linfield and La Verne.  I guess I just wish people would realize how tough the ASC is because since the preseason poll no ASC team has been ranked and it's because it's a tough conference and the teams beat up on each other.  Also, is it not the biggest conference around? 16 teams. 

As far as teams coming down from the North it's tough to get good teams with the exception of Franklin and Marshall, and sometimes St. Olaf it's tough to get very good teams to come to this region.

I think that's why Trinity will always have an advantage in the SCAC because they can play so many tough non-conference opponents from the ASC, but the ASC teams (at least in TX) just have Trinity or for Miss Coll, just Millsaps (and Bellhaven?)  Southwestern has been tough in the past, but not that strong this year - though they did pick up some quality wins early.

Interested to see what you guys think the West regional will look like.  I think it will be a 6 team pool featuring CSU - East Bay, Chapman, Trinity, Texas Lutheran, George Fox and Redlands with Chapman hosting again this year.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on May 09, 2006, 03:38:59 pm
Here is my take on the West Regional...

1. Trinity
2. Chapman
3. Redlands
4. East Bay
5. TLU
6. George Fox

Rirst round games----Fox beats Trinity (you can call me crazy but GF has more experience and I think Trinity is overrated like they always are)
TLU over Chapman- TLU figures out that Klovstad throws nothing but junk and they give him his first L of the year.
East Bay is all over Redlands.  I think Redlands will be in over their head but they still have some pretty good pitching.

I realize these are all upsets (based on the seeds) but this seems to me to be a WIDE OPEN regional.  I honestly think either TLU or East Bay will win it.  Chapman is probably the favorite but they have had 3 pitchers acount for 245 out of 333 Innings (74%) with only 2 guys getting any time out of the bullpen (51 innings, or 15% of the seasons total.  Add that all up and you have 5 pitchers throwing  89% of the innings and too me that is just plain crazy.  There is no way a team can win a 6 team Regional with only 5 pitchers.
I also like East Bay who is coming off of a pretty nice sweep of George Fox.  East Bay has put the hitting a pitching piecec of the puzzle together this year, and they have done A LOT of it on the road.
Well, whatever happens it should be a pretty fun regional.  Maybe a new team from the West will go to Appleton this year........maybe not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 09, 2006, 03:51:13 pm
Chapman is solid, but their 4 and 5 starters concern me. I think they could be in trouble in the expanded regional format. Teams with solid pitching depth will be the ones to survive the weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All_Heart on May 09, 2006, 04:50:32 pm
I think it's tough to call Trinity overrated this year.  Yes, they have two losses to TLU, but they have a LOT of depth on the mound and a 6 team region format would probably be beneficial to them.  With Huggins, Frey, Bignall, Horn and then the likes of Hopkins, Poffenroth and Bronson they're going to be tough.  That said, I think a lot will depend on Oates.  Oates is a top quality arm (perhaps draftable next year?), but he's been injured since fairly early on.  If he could return to early season form it would be big for Trinity, but they might have a reluctance to use him, and then only in moderation.  And even then, can he throw like he started the season?

They have quite a few seniors on board and freshman SS Ryan Cavan has been instrumental in their success.  People can say what they want, but I think the West Regional has to be one of the TOUGHEST across the board.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 09, 2006, 06:16:24 pm
The west is certainly getting tougher. For year, they had no fared well in the World Series and then both Chapman and George Fox won national titles in the past few seasons. It is definitely moving in the right direction.

Anyone know which regions have the most champions... or how many each region has?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 09, 2006, 06:39:34 pm
Here is my take on the West Regional...

1. Trinity
2. Chapman
3. Redlands
4. East Bay
5. TLU
6. George Fox

But with all the teams from the west coast, that prolly means Chapman gets to host their fifth straight regional.  That's too bad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on May 10, 2006, 12:07:15 pm
Ron, I agree that it is too bad if Chapman hosts yet again.  It all comes down to the fact that they have the only facility of the teams playing that could host.  I know Redlands had a really nice park but no lights.  East Bay is not near any of the other schools and why fly 5 teams to Oregon?  I hope they play the West Regional out in San Antonio just so somebody else has a chance to host.  I tell you what, if I was a coach or a player I sure would love playing a Regional at my home park. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2006, 11:36:32 pm
Rick, here is the NCAA notice and our interpretations of in-region in 2007.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.358

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.359

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.376
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on May 18, 2006, 02:17:00 am

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/Recaps/2006/TU-NCAA1.htm

http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/05-06/baseball/regionals/game2.htm

FYI... Millsaps won even easier in their opener:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/baseball5-17-06.html

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/baseball/ncaa2.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2006, 07:43:51 pm
I want to congratulate McMurry's Coach Lee Driggers for the outstanding non-conference schedule that McMurry had this year.

The Indians played 2 of the D3World Series teams, Chapman a 3-game set in February and Marietta Ohio over spring break!  McMurry went 3-1 in those 4 games!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HALLEBASEBALL on May 26, 2006, 12:10:23 am
CRY ME A RIVER. THE BEST TEAM TOURNAMENT TEAM WON. LOSE A GAME YOU BETTER BE READY TO PLAY THREE GAMES IN A ROW IF NEEDED TO GET TO THE THE DANCE.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 10, 2006, 10:01:56 am
Former McMurry star Josh Lee (http://www.reporternews.com/abil/fe_people/article/0,1874,ABIL_7933_4763978,00.html) was recently cut by the Detroit Tiger affiliate West Michigan Whitecaps.

Here is a feature article about Josh and his plans.
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cheddar8314 on October 20, 2006, 03:07:43 pm
Things are changing down in Alpine, and this up coming baseball season is looking good for the Lobos. With a few new arms and numerous additions it will be interesting to see how things will go in the spring
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2006, 06:33:50 pm
Welcome aboard, cheddar.  As the moderator of the baseball boards, I moved your ASC post to the West Region where the NCAA has assigned the ASC.

Kokernot is one of the prize jewels of D3.  Please keep us updated.  This board started to get active in February.  You can review the previous 13 pages for the flavor of the postings.

Always glad to have posters from Sully.

 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SR97 on October 31, 2006, 12:03:29 pm
Ol' cheddar thinks he knows something about baseball now that he's a GA.  He played football at SR.  What's up with that?
Title: Projections
Post by: captain_bomb_2000 on December 09, 2006, 03:25:24 am
With spring rapidly approaching, I was curious as to what everyone thought about the conference this year.  Who is atop your preseason rankings? How about preseason players and pitchers of the year?  I figured since the ASC will announce those types of things in a little over a month it would be fun to add some conjecture at this point.  Here are my rankings for the west:

1. Texas Lutheran
2. Hardin Simmons
3. McMurry
4. Mary-Hardin Baylor
5. Concordia
6. Howard Payne
7. Schreiner
8. Sul Ross

I don't really have enough knowledge of the east to offer any projections, but that's a start!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 11, 2006, 01:26:07 pm
Jonathan Miller for us should be in the running for pitcher of the year. He was an ace reliever for us last year and averaged better than 10 strikeouts per nine innings. In his one start, he pitched a 12-strikeout, 1-run complete game. If I understand right, he should be in the rotation this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2006, 02:51:32 pm
Captain Bomb, welcome aboard.  It is good to have new posters.

I am not trying to "out" you, but can you tell us if have a favorite team?

We will appreciate any local posts, scores, opinions, game summaries, etc. that you can give us!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: captain_bomb_2000 on December 13, 2006, 12:54:30 am
Ralph,

My bias is towards McMurry seeing as I am an Abilene resident.  I would like to offer my insight from time to time, but judging by your past posts, it seems like you've got McMurry pretty much covered.  I kept up with your posts last season and enjoyed the coverage.  Do you know much about the team this year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2006, 12:33:51 pm
Bomb 2000, I only get to view most of the games thru the eyes of Kit and Leon, (thanks be for those 2 loyal and devoted fans!) and the official scorer.

Any firsthand stuff will be greatly appreciated! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 21, 2006, 09:32:19 am
Hey guys - guess I was posting in the wrong region!  Anyways, thought I'd give the East side of the conference a little love and give my thoughts on how the conference will play out:
1. UT-Tyler - could be the best D3 team in the nation.  Have added tremendous talent over there and continue to grow. 
2. UT-Dallas
3. Mississippi College
4. Louisiana College
5. ETBU
6. Ozarks
7. LeTourneau

Any thoughts on that?  I know the West is so much strong top to bottom, but I really feel that UT-Tyler could be the best team top to bottom.  They've also produced 9 professional players, number 1 in D3, with number 2 being Chapman.  http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2006/nov30-06.html (ftp://http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2006/nov30-06.html)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: captain_bomb_2000 on December 21, 2006, 10:32:38 am
sounds like the early season matchup between UT-Tyler and McMurry should be a good one.  If they really are the best team in D3, then McMurry's schedule has to be one of the toughest in the nation.   UT-Tyler, Chapman, and Marietta.  I could see McMurry getting some national attention if they can win 3 or 4 out of those 5.  Is UT-Tyler eligible for the postseason yet? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 21, 2006, 12:37:02 pm
UT-Tyler is not eligible this year... I'm pretty sure that next year they can start playing in the postseason.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 22, 2006, 06:46:14 pm
How is McM looking this year?  Any word on Josh Lee?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 06, 2007, 02:46:30 pm
CUA drops 2 to Houston Baptist (5-2, 7-3) to open the year then beats TWU (6-4) to open the year.

#1 starter Miller went 5 innings (I think it was predetermined), struck out 6, gave up one hit and no runs on Friday night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 06, 2007, 02:51:11 pm
CUA drops 2 to Houston Baptist (5-2, 7-3) to open the year then beats TWU (6-4) to open the year.

#1 starter Miller went 5 innings (I think it was predetermined), struck out 6, gave up one hit and no runs on Friday night.

Does CUA still play on campus? I thought their field was one of the most fantastic baseball settings we played in. I brought one of my teams to Texas to play them a few years ago. I felt like every flyball was going to land on the freeway!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2007, 11:11:21 pm
CUA drops 2 to Houston Baptist (5-2, 7-3) to open the year then beats TWU (6-4) to open the year.

#1 starter Miller went 5 innings (I think it was predetermined), struck out 6, gave up one hit and no runs on Friday night.

Does CUA still play on campus? I thought their field was one of the most fantastic baseball settings we played in. I brought one of my teams to Texas to play them a few years ago. I felt like every flyball was going to land on the freeway!

Look at where Concordia is moving (http://www.concordia.edu/relocation/default.cfm).

Click on the Jan 2007 update for the map of the new campus.

Does this look like the stadium (http://discover.concordia.edu/pageexplore.cfm?page_ID=182) that you remember?  The Freeway is behind the left field fence.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 07, 2007, 09:23:35 am
Does this look like the stadium (http://discover.concordia.edu/pageexplore.cfm?page_ID=182) that you remember?  The Freeway is behind the left field fence.

That's the place. It is sad to know they are not going to stay on that campus. It's one of my favorite places to play of anywhere I have been.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 11:03:27 am
Does this look like the stadium (http://discover.concordia.edu/pageexplore.cfm?page_ID=182) that you remember?  The Freeway is behind the left field fence.

That's the place. It is sad to know they are not going to stay on that campus. It's one of my favorite places to play of anywhere I have been.

The new campus is spectacular.  I am not sure how many trees they will cut downfor parking, tho'.  And I am having trouble seeing the gradations on the topographical map.  I think that I see a 950.00 foot contour line running thru the map.  A question for native Austinites, is that campus on the top of a mesa?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 07, 2007, 12:20:03 pm
That's the place. It is sad to know they are not going to stay on that campus. It's one of my favorite places to play of anywhere I have been.

It is a pretty cool place to play, albiet a tough place to play.  I just wish it was a little bigger because I don't like the fact that 150-lb eight-hole hitters can hit an opposite field fly ball that leaves the yard. I know people these days enjoy the long ball, but at that facility a pitcher can make a good pitch that would typically be a fly ball out and the next thing you know the ball is leaving the year.  What ASC teams get going this weekend?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2007, 02:48:39 pm
That's the place. It is sad to know they are not going to stay on that campus. It's one of my favorite places to play of anywhere I have been.

It is a pretty cool place to play, albiet a tough place to play.  I just wish it was a little bigger because I don't like the fact that 150-lb eight-hole hitters can hit an opposite field fly ball that leaves the yard. I know people these days enjoy the long ball, but at that facility a pitcher can make a good pitch that would typically be a fly ball out and the next thing you know the ball is leaving the year. 

I seen a couple of balls hit into the freeway there during BP one year.  The next thing you hear are cars colliding into one another.  Has that happen often?  Also one of my favorite places to play, CUA.  Gotta love the short porch in right!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2007, 02:33:35 pm
Most of the ASC teams open up this weekend, if they haven't already.

Friday, February 9th:
Concordia vs. Houston Baptist
East Texas Baptist vs. Millsaps
Howard Payne vs. UT-Permian Basin
Louisianna College vs. Hendrix
Sul Ross State vs. West Texas A&M
Mary-Hardin Baylor vs. UT-Brownsville
Hardin Simmons vs. College of SW

Saturday, Feb 10th:
Concordia vs. Houston Baptist
ETBU vs. Millsaps
McMurry vs. LeTourneu (DH?)
Howard Payne vs. UT-Permian Basin (DH)
Louisianna College vs. Hendrix (DH)
Sul Ross State vs. West Texas A&M (DH)
Mary-Hardin Baylor vs. UT-Brownsville
Ozarks vs. Principia College (DH)
Texas Lutheran vs. Huston-Tillotson (DH)
Mississippi College vs. Tougaloo College
Mississippi College vs. Loyola
Hardin Simmons vs. Oklahoma Baptist
Hardin Simmons vs. Lubbock Christian

Sunday, Feb 11th:
Concordia vs. Huston Tillotson
McMurry vs. Texas-Tyler
Ozarks vs. Principia College
Schreiner vs. Southwestern
Texas Lutheran vs. UT-Brownsville (DH)

Should be a good weekend of baseball for some teams to find out about the character of their teams.  It's too early to tell much as most teams probably won't have much of a definitive line-up, etc. until closer to the start of conference, but it'll be good to start feeling teams out.  I'm looking forward to the McMurry Texas-Tyler game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2007, 01:38:48 am
Friday, February 9th:

Concordia 0 vs. Houston Baptist 10
Concordia gets 2-hit. Jonathon Miller gave up 7 in 4.2 innings of work.

East Texas Baptist vs. Millsaps
Couldn't find anything, but with pretty crappy weather in Jackson I suspect it might've been pushed back to a DH on Saturday.

Howard Payne 13 vs. UT-Permian Basin 7
Justin Davies is the winning pitcher. HPU bangs out 19 hits with CF Kasey Black (4), C Jose Sierra (3) 3 RBIs, 1B Blake Shaffer (3) 4 RBIs, and SS Cale Thompson (3) leading the way.

Louisianna College 13, 15 vs. Hendrix 2,1
Thomas started and got the win in game 1 giving up 1 ER in 4 innings of work. C Malbrough was 3-4 with 6 RBI and LF Trahan was 3-3. In the second game of the double dip Wilson gets the win giving up 1 ER in 3 innings of work. 1B Bray was 2-2 with 3 RBI.

Sul Ross State 8 vs. West Texas A&M 7
Sul Ross tosses Kemmerlin 8 innings giving up 7 runs (6ER) on 15 hits and 3 walks. Sounds to me like his pitch count was probably pretty high for the first game of the season, but I guess that's why I'm not a coach. CF Klinetop and C Montano (2 RBI) both contributed 3 hits. 3B Arrieta was 2-5 with 2 RBI as well.

Mary-Hardin Baylor vs. UT-Brownsville - 5-5
Game Suspended Due To Darkness

Hardin Simmons 6 vs. College of SW 7
College of the Southwest gets 3 unearned runs in the top of the 9th to edge past HSU. Jeff Walker, SR, transfer from Pacific gave up 3 runs on 6 hits in 5 innings of work for HSU. Catcher Blake Koch was 4-5 and lead off hitter and LF Danny Ruth had 2 hits.

Overall the ASC goes 4-2 on Friday with quite possibly the two strongest teams of the bunch dropping their respective games. It will be interesting to see how Louisianna shapes up this year in the East.  With ETBU likely having a down year, UT Tyler still not eligible and Austin making the move to the SCAC, Louisianna is a lock for the playoffs but can they compete with perennial division leaders UT-Dallas and Mississippi College?



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2007, 09:42:14 am
Thanks "Guy".  Great summary!

Game report on ETBU vs. Millsaps (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4180.msg673084#msg673084) by Frank Ezelle, the well-respected Millsaps and SCAC fan.

Frank gives reliable reports, so I read his comment with interest.

A young ETBU was handled easily and the Majors got to Pre-Season ASC POTY Andrew Cardell.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 10, 2007, 10:02:42 am
Hey guys, here's another Friday night score.  LETU added on a game:

LETU 6 vs. SAGU 1

'Jackets get strong pitching performance from Wolfers (Soph), 6IP 5H, 0BB, 2K's.  Played well defensively with no errors.  Lacking in power.  Faust goes 3 for 4 on the day with 2 r's and 1 rbi.  "jackets go to 1-1 on the season, with an early season loss @ Northwood 10-4. They were in the game up until the 8th inning, when 3 runs crossed the plate for Northwood.  Very young team again.  With the coaching change, not a lot of recruiting this past year.  You have a lot of guys who are going to battle though and they return their starting infield. 

Play host to McM today, 9 inning game.  I'll try to give you updates, but being outside I doubt we will get any connection.  Cloudy day, hope to get it in. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 10, 2007, 07:12:54 pm
McM - 13
LETU - 3

Every McM starter collects a hit.  Voorhees 2 for 6 with a two run homerun and Curry goes 7 2/3 innings for the win. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2007, 08:47:36 pm
Saturday, Feb 10th:

Mary-Hardin Baylor 6 vs. UT-Brownsville 5 (15 innings)
Stephen Fellows is the winning pitcher going the last 3 innings, surrendering 1 hit and 0 runs. R.B. Garza pitched a hitless previous 3 innings. C Ricky LaFont was 3-3. RF Joseph Villegas also collected 3 hits.

Mary-Hardin Baylor 8 vs. UT-Brownsville 6
Blair Bundy started for UMHB and gave up 5 runs in 5 innings. R.B. Garza (0.00 ERA) got his 2nd save of the season. 1B Steven Reinlie was 3-4, 1 RBI, LF Ernest Pena was 3-3, 2 2B, 2 RBI, Garza and LaFont both added two hits.

Mary-Hardin Baylor 3 vs. UT-Brownsville 3
Corey Dobbins throws three shut out innings, but UMHB only manages 3 hits the whole game. Starter Bill Pearce gave up 3 ER on 8 BB and 10Ks



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2007, 08:52:17 pm
ETBU  2 vs. Millsaps 7

Losing pitcher for the Tigers was Reggie Patrick who gave up 4 runs in 4 innings of work.

Jay Hollenback earned the win for the Majors. Luke Morrow and Hunter Abrams contributed two hits each for Millsaps.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2007, 08:57:47 pm
Sul Ross 3 vs. West Texas A&M 3
WP Arojo, 7 innings, 0 ER
RF Araujo 1-2, 1 RBI
3B Arrieta 1-2, 1 RBI
7 Errors & 8 hits in the game

Sul Ross 4 vs. West Texas A&M 10
M. Otero gets his 2nd loss of the year.
DH, lead off hitter Klinetop is 2-3, 1 RBI
3B Arrieta is 2-4 w/ a run

Sul Ross moves to 2-5 on the season
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2007, 09:08:49 pm
Hardin Simmons 16 vs. Oklahoma Baptist 14

Seven unearned runs in the bottom of the 8th inning help Hardin-Simmons edge Oklahoma Baptist.

Johnny Wholestaff threw for HSU in the W. Starter Nathan Copeland gave up 6 ER in 3.1 innings pitched.

RF Ryan Stepp 4-6, 3 RBI
3B Brad Coleman 4-5
CF Michael Simpson 2-2
LF Taylor Gibbs 1-2, 3 RBI, 3 runs, 4 BB

Hardin Simmons has a lot of depth this year with everyone but Arnold and Lay returning.  I anticipated the staff being stronger, but it's still very early so I'm sure they'll come into their own. I think they'll give anyone in the ASC all they can handle on any given day.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 12:00:56 am
Hardin Simmons 2 - Lubbock Christian 4

Okay, so I lied Brian Arnold is still there as well.  3B Brad Coleman and C Blake Koch led the way offensively goin 1-3 with 1 RBI each for the Cowboys. ASC-West Preaseason POTY Dalton Rucker gave up 3 in 5 innings of work. Arnold pitched the next 3 innings, surrending 0 earned runs.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 12:06:24 am
Howard Payne 12 vs. UT-Permian Basin 13
HPU starter Cody Bastian gives up 7 earned runs in 2 innings of work.
CF Kasey Black 2-3, 2 BB, 3 runs
C Jose Sierra 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI
DH Kyle Lloyd 2-3. 2 RBI

Howard Payne 2 vs. UT-Permian Basin 9
CF Kasey Black 1-2, 1 BB
HPU LP is Colby Rowley 3 ER in 4 innings of work.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 12:14:16 am
Texas Lutheran 5 - Huston Tillotson 3 (10 innings)

Starter Adam Enloe works 5 innings and gave up 1 ER. Robert Conley pitched 3 scorless innings out of the pen and Austin Yager pitched a scoreless 10th for the win.
SS Jake Kaase hit a 2-Run walk off HR.  He was 2-5, with 2 RBI
DH Drew Farr was 2-2

Texas Lutheran 6 - Huston Tillotson 4

SP Kyle Newman gave up 4 ER in 2.2 innings pitched on 5 BB and 2 HBP. Eric Bremer threw 1.1 for the win and Logan Hull through a scoreless inning for the save.
3B Joseph Brade 2-3, 2 RBI
LF Mat Moore 3 BB

Looks like TLU got some efforts from some different guys at the plate. They'll need a little parity and production from a bunch of different guys after losing All-American C Aaron Crais to graduation. Not a normal outing for LHP Kyle Newman. Maybe the worst of his career as a Bulldog, but the guys in the pen looked well and it appears they have more depth out of the pen this year than in previous years. It will be interesting to see how this team shapes its' identity with so many new guys playing big roles.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 01:06:35 am
Schreiner 4 - Southwestern 1
WP Chris Armijo, 8 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 5 BB, 9 K
Wes Willis goes 7.2 IP for Southwestner, 0 ER, 5 H

CF Jeremiah Kester 1-3, 3BB
PR/SS J.D. Escobar 1-1 , 2 RBI
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2007, 01:21:42 am
Great job, Guy!

+1 Karma!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 09:20:05 pm
UT-Brownsville  2 3 2
Texas Lutheran 15 20 1
WP Daniel Besa 4 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 4 SO
SS Jake Kaase 4-4, 2 runs
1B Jason Foley 3-3, 4 RBI, 3 runs
2B Scott Matocha 3-3, 3 RBI

UT-Brownsville 3 5 5
Texas Lutheran 6 3 0
WP Austin Yager (2-0) 4 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 3 SO
S Logan Hull (2)

LP Bellperche pitched pretty well giving up only 3 hits, and 1 ER w/ 5ks.  TLU used 2 of their 3 hits, 3 errors and 3 walks to plate 6 runs in the bottom of the 4th to take the lead.

SS Jake Kaase 1-2, 1 RBI, 1 run
3B Marcus Melnar 1-3, 1 RBI, 1 run

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 09:29:38 pm
Concordia 6 - Huston Tillotson 5

Huston Tillotson keeps giving the ASC tough games, but can't find a way to prevail. Matt Aubry gets the win going 3 scoreless innings after relieving Stephen Szkotak who threw 6 innings giving up 3 ER on 7 hits.

C Bill Mitchell was 3-4
DH Chad Thielepape was 1-2 with a go ahead 3 run bomb in the bottom of the 7th.
1B Brad Payne also contributed 2 hits.

Concordia moves to 2-4 on the season. Their next games are a 3 game Fri/Sat series against Southwestern. They're home Friday night and in Georgetown on Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 09:44:57 pm
UT Tyler 3 - McMurry 1

Can't find a box score yet.

Schreiner 6 - Southwestern 5

The Priate bullpen gave up 4 runs in the last two innings to drop the game to the Moutaineers. Kevin Jones (2-0) got earned the victory going 2 innings and giving up 0 earned runs. He relieved Colton Hermes who threw 7 innings, giving up 3 ER on 8 hits. Scott Rogers started for the Pirates and gave up 0 ER in 5.2 innings pitched.

Falcone and Culling had two hits a piece, and Michael Murphy hit a 2-run HR in the bottom of the 1st for Southwestern in the loss.

Jeremiah Kester, Jordan Anders, and J.D. Escobar each had two hits for Schreiner. Escobar lined a ball of the pitcher's foot for the eventual game winner after Huizar had doubled with runners on first and second to tie the game in the top of the 9th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 12, 2007, 11:49:24 am
I don't know if MS College has a radio broadcast of their games this year but the Tuesday night game against Millsaps College will be broadcast at this link:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/listenlive.php

This game was originally scheduled to be played at MS College and it has been moved to Millsaps.  There will be a pregame show at 5:45 with the first pitch scheduled for 6:00.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2007, 12:50:27 pm
Little premature this early in the season, but hey, who's stopping me, I'm excited.

ASC STANDINGS

East
Texas-Tyler  1-0
La College    2-1
Ozarks         3-2
Miss College 1-1
UTD              0-0
ETBU             0-2
Letourneau   0-2

West
TX Lutheran   4-0
UMHB             3-0
Schreiner       5-1
McMurry         1-1
Hardin-Simm  1-2
HPU               1-2
Concordia      2-5
Sul Ross        2-5
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 13, 2007, 01:04:47 pm
Huge series this weekend with Chapman travelling to  Texas to face McMurry. Predictions?

I think Chapman takes two of three from McMurry... possibly a three-game sweep. I guess we will find out if McMurry is a legitimate regional contender right away, huh?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 13, 2007, 02:08:48 pm
If Chapman plays the way they did on Saturday at CLU, they should sweep.  If they dont get good outings from their starters, they might be in a bit of trouble.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 13, 2007, 02:14:21 pm
If Chapman plays the way they did on Saturday at CLU, they should sweep.  If they dont get good outings from their starters, they might be in a bit of trouble.

Agree. Chapman has very good starters, but has always been a bit thin and untested in the bullpen. Knock the starters out and bank on banging around guys not too confortable with their roles if you want to beat Chapman.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on February 13, 2007, 04:09:43 pm
Another terrific match up this weekend could be Trinity(TX) ranked 27th/30th nationally at UT Dallas, coming off a 33 win season and returning nearly every starter.
Trinity has a solid and talented senior class, many of whom have started and been signficant contributors  since the 2004 West Region final team.
Trinity has quality pitching and depth of pitching but will need Brian Oates for the entire year.  Brian, is usually 88-89, touching 92/93 mph. He was nearly unhittable over 8 appearances last season before things were cut short by an injury.  Brian looks to have had a good summer in the Coastal Plain league along with teammate Nick Vera. 
Trinity will also be challenged to replace Ryan Cavan.  If they can suitably plug the hole left at short and Brian performs, this should be another very good team to challenge in the SCAC and West Region.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 13, 2007, 04:12:30 pm
Little premature this early in the season, but hey, who's stopping me, I'm excited.

ASC STANDINGS

East
Texas-Tyler  1-0
La College    2-1
Ozarks         3-2
Miss College 1-1
UTD              0-0
ETBU             0-2
Letourneau   0-2

LeTourneau is actually 1-2.  They added a SAGU to the schedule the Friday before they played McM.  They beat them 6-1 behind Sophmore Joe Wolfers pitching performance.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 13, 2007, 04:20:10 pm
I watched McM play LETU and UTTyler last weekend.  I wasn't horrible impressed.  While they are solid and could beat any team in the conference, I don't think they are dangerous.  They play good defense, but their line-up shouldn't scare anyone.  They look to have a solid pitching staff.

UT-Tyler could be very dangerous this year.  I am going to go out on a limb and say this team is the best they've had.  They are very solid defensively and look to have some big sticks in the line-up.

LeTourneau...well....they are just LeTourneau.  Return everyone back from last year's team, barring two starters, but I wouldn't expect too much out of them.  Very thin pitching staff....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2007, 06:04:39 pm
It's hard to say what I expect from McMurry.  I would guess they'll finish 3rd behind TLU and HSU in the ASC West.  They took 2 out of 3 from Chapman last year, but they didn't have to face Devin Drag.  They did get to Sulentor who threw well for Chapman all year last year.  I think the middle of their lineup is pretty solid though. David, Vorhees, and Casey are all really good hitters. They're going to miss both Carrizales and Erickson on the mound and at the plate though I think.  That said, they went out and got a lot of JC guys from Oakton, Cisco, etc so they are plugging those holes with guys that have been in the fire. They definitely ran into a solid UT-Tyler team who will probably win the ASC East, but you have to take McMurry seriously every time out.  I think Chapman probably sweeps though as I think they're the strongest team in the country if their starting pitching holds up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2007, 06:28:18 pm
Another terrific match up this weekend could be Trinity(TX) ranked 27th/30th nationally at UT Dallas, coming off a 33 win season and returning nearly every starter.
Trinity has a solid and talented senior class, many of whom have started and been signficant contributors  since the 2004 West Region final team.
Trinity has quality pitching and depth of pitching but will need Brian Oates for the entire year.  Brian, is usually 88-89, touching 92/93 mph. He was nearly unhittable over 8 appearances last season before things were cut short by an injury.  Brian looks to have had a good summer in the Coastal Plain league along with teammate Nick Vera. 
Trinity will also be challenged to replace Ryan Cavan.  If they can suitably plug the hole left at short and Brian performs, this should be another very good team to challenge in the SCAC and West Region.

This is probably the wrong board for this, but I'll repost it on the SCAC board as well. I think Trinity definitely pushes Millsaps for that top spot, and I'll even go out on a limb and say Trinity wins the SCAC this year.  They have a lot of depth on the mound IF Oates stays healthy. He's 15-2 as a Tiger with opponents probably hitting under .200 against him despite a little bit of a sophomore slump, but he's dealt with injury issues the last two years after a stellar freshman year.  With Bignall, Huggins, Horn, Hopkins and a few others back their staff is really deep and they probably have the SCAC player of the year in Nick Vera who just dominated the Coastal Leagues this summer. Cavan was a big loss though and I just don't know that Stosh Hoover fills that hole, at least not offensively. It will be interesting to see how the pick up the offensive slack. Holman and Zabor will help solidify the middle, but Hoover has to swing it and Verrios has to return to 2005 form.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 13, 2007, 09:32:30 pm
Austin College def LeTourneau Univ 15-7
LETU - 7 13 2
AC   -15 17 3

LETU - Cravalho 2 for 6 with 3 rbi's
AC - Schleizer 4 for 4 with 6 rbi's

LETU 1-3 on the young season
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on February 13, 2007, 10:07:08 pm
Just some Guy,
Good stuff.  Huggins transferred.  He is now pitching at UCSB and actually picked up his first win at the DI level over the weekend.  With that said, they still have pitching beyond those guys you have listed. Not bad when you lose a guy to a DI program and still have pitching that should carry the team very far.
Vera is absolutely terrific.  He has worked so hard and earned every accolade he might get.  I have not seen Nick since his freshman year but follow him and listen to his banter with our son.  Little doubt his work ethic has earned him the ability to be one of the top players in college baseball..not just the DIII level. While he does not have Garner Wetzel power, he has size, speed, strength and the ability to hit for average, no matter who is pitching.
 I am  hoping a certain Blue Jay scout continues to frequent those games because Vera and Oates can play next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2007, 10:16:48 pm
Blue Jays Scout eh?  That wouldn't make you the proud pop of J. Armstrong would it which would explain the banter between he and Vera.  I hear Nick thinks he's going to go get some of Jason's records, and the two give each other a pretty good time about it.  I'd love to see Vera and Oates get a chance to play at the next level and feel like both could. Oates has the stuff, and certainly the work ethic so I hope scouts don't shy away because of his past nagging injuries.

I guess those California boys just like going back to their home state, and without question there are some guys that I didn't mention... Horn, Dailey (who came on strong at the end of the year), and Poffenroth to name a few.

One thing about Trinity is that I wish Bardwell would've stuck with the program, because right about now TU could use that extra big bat, and he certainly could stick it. Fregosi is more a defensive option from what I've seen thus far.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 14, 2007, 01:06:29 am
The SCAC bests the ASC twice tonight.

Millsaps 8 - Mississippi College 7

Hunter Owen 3 RBI double in the bottom of the 8th to put Millsaps up for good.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/baseball/mcb-0213.htm

Southwestern 7 - Mary-Hardin Baylor 6

http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/031307-a.htm

Southwestern throws their ace Morrison the complete game. No disrespect intended, but 12 hits, 6 strikeouts and 7 BBs, 43 batters faced sounds like he probably threw too many pitches this early in the young season, especially for a non-conference weekday game.


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bmo on February 16, 2007, 11:47:54 pm
In what might be one of the ugliest looking line scores you will ever see, Chapman defeated McMurry 13 - 7 to open the three game series...  8 errors by Chapman, 7 hbp (2 for Cavan), mix in some passed ball, balks, and there you have it.  Early season baseball at its finest....

http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/06-07/baseball/cu-mcm1.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 12:56:33 am
Notes on the Game:

1.) I didn't suspect that McMurry would get to Drag (who does?) I think his ERA will stay under 1.00 for the entire year.

2.) Yacko continued to put up ridiculous offensive numbers, but can a guy be a POTY hitting out of the 7-8 hole spots where he gets pitches to see and he's not counted on to deliver every single at bat.  I wondered how they would work that.  I know he got moved up into the 6th slot one game against Cal Lutheran and was 1-4. He was back down 8 hole for this game. That said, 14 RBIs in 7 games and he's pitched well thus far as well. I think pulling double duty helps his case. Anyhow, too early in the year - moving on.

3.) Per usual, I don't think Chapman has very much depth out of the bullpen.  Again this year, I don't know if it will hurt them.  They're such a sound team in so many areas. It MAY bite them come playoff-format time, but it hasn't the last two years so who knows. Their pitchers don't have to put in the innings in a playoff tournament prior to the regionals and I think that helps save the arms a little.

4.) I'm interested in how McMurry pitches for the remainder of the series.  I know they're counting on Curry this year and he looked somewhat suspect in the loss so... They were one of the weaker pitching staffs in the top-half of the ASC last year minus Erickson's consistency and Carrizales coming on strong at the end of the year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 01:04:23 am
Mary Hardin Baylor 24 - East Texas Baptist 10

Will Melton was 3-4 in the loss for ETBU.
Starting pitcher Reggie Patrick gave up 9 ER in 2.1 innings.

Corey Dobbins posted the win for UMHB giving up 3 runs in 4 innings pitched in relief.

Marcus Volz 5-5, 4 run, 2 RBI
Ricky LaFont 3-4, 3 RBI
Gary Lopez 3-4, 6 RBI, HR
Joseph Villegas 4-6. 3 run, 2 RBI
R. B. Garza 3-6, 2 run, 2RBI
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 01:08:04 am
Concordia 11 - Southwestern 0

No box score yet.

WP Jonathon Miller, 7 IP, 9 SO, 0 runs
Brad Payne his 2 HRs

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 01:33:32 am
UT Tyler 16 - Mid-America 0

1B Brett Amyx 2 HR

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2007/feb16-07.html

Mississippi College 21 - Miss. Valley State 5

Jody Britt 4-6, 2 HR, 7 RBI

http://www.gochoctaws.com/sports/baseball/2007/mcvsmvsu.htm

Ozarks 5 - Williams Baptist 3

http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/news/news_story.asp?iNewsID=1670&strBack=%2Fathletics%2FDefault%2Easp

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 17, 2007, 09:20:39 pm
ETBU sweeps twin bill at UMHB 3-1 & 8-7
Game 1
ETBU gets 2 run homer in the top of the 7th by pinch hitter Wilson to get the win
http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/021707-a.htm (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/021707-a.htm)
Game 2
ETBU jumps out early and scores alll their runs in the first 5 innings. 
http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/021707-b.htm (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/021707-b.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 09:26:37 pm
Southwestern 4 - Concordia 3

WP Andy Morrison (2-0) 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 6 SO
LP Austin Derrick (0-2) 0.2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER

Derrick relieved Szkotak who threw 5.1 IP, 8 H, 2 ER

Jacobs was 2-3 in the loss for Concordia

Southwestern:
DH Hermann was 4-4 w/ 2RBI
2B McMullen 3-4 w/ 2 2B

Concordia 6 - Southwestern 3

WP Morrison 6 IP, 7 H, 2 ER
LP Eric Gonzalez 4 IP, 5 H, 2 ER

5 different Concordia players contributed 2 hits:  2B Court, C Mitchell, LF Cmerek, SS Struhall, 1B Menefee
4 different Southwestern players had 2 hits each: C Boone, SS Falcone, CF Bellomy, 3B Bl. Williams
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 09:36:23 pm
No Box Scores on these games yet, but I figured I'd report the scores anyhow.

Schreiner 9 - Austin College 7

Schreiner improves to 6-1 on the young season.

Chris Armijo moved to 3-0 on the year and Kevin Jones pitched the last two innings for the save.

Schreiner had 14 hits, including three each from Tommy Cable (2 BIG hits), Jeremiah Kester (3 RBI) and Chase Kimball (3 RBI).

Hardin Simmons 12 - UT Permian Basin 4
Hardin Simmons 8 - UT Permian Basin 7

WP in game 1 was Dalton Rucker
WP in game 2 was Lance Johnson, Josh Alcorn got his 2nd save of the season

HSU hit 8 homeruns between the two games.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 09:45:20 pm
Comets Come Up One Out Short Of
Sweep of NCAA D-III Power Trinity

RICHARDSON, TX - The UTD baseball team bounced back from a devistating start to its 2007 season Saturday, pounding Trinity University, 14-8 in the second game of a doubleheader. The win was redemption for the Comets, who blew a 6-3 lead with two outs in the final inning of the first game, giving up 13 runs on their way to a 16-6 loss. The two teams play again Sunday at 1 pm at UTD Field.

(FROM UTD Website) Pretty sure devistating should be spelled devastating...lol

Game 1:
http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/BOXES07/bs1trin.htm

Game 2:
http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/BOXES07/bs2trin.htm

UTD returned every postion starter except for 1B Mark Perez on a team that hit .320 last year with 33 homeruns and averaged 7.5 runs a game.  If they can get a few pitchers to step up and contribute they'll certainly contend for the ASC title.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 01:38:53 am
I blogged (http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2007/02/17/chapman-at-mcmurry-the-doubleheader) the McMurry-Chapman Doubleheader on the front page.

McM's Nick Schafer pitched 8 innings in the first to win 5-1.  Chapman rediscovered its offense in the second, winning 18-3.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 18, 2007, 07:58:48 am
Ralph,

Thanks for the update... neither school had it up on their web page yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 08:23:10 am
Bob, I know that the McMurry SID was busy with Hoops, Senior Day and special ceremonies.

The McMurry women finished second in the ASC-West.

The Men's were co-champs in the West and had a special ceremony honoring a player who graduated the year before I came who made the All-Lone Star Conference 75th Anniversary team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 18, 2007, 11:46:26 am
Texas Lutheran 6 - Huston-Tillotson 0

WP Adam Enloe (1-0) 7 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 5 SO

LF Mat Moore was 3-4, 1 run, 3 RBI
3B Joseph Brade was 2-3, 2 runs, 1 RBI
DH Brandon Opheim was 2-4

Texas Lutheran 5 - Huston-Tillotson 2

WP Austin Yager (3-0) 7IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 4 SO

SS Jacob Kaase (.611) was 4-4, 2 RBI, 2 runs
DH Jason Foley was 2-4, 2 RBI
LF Mat Moore added 2 hits

TLU starting pitchers had 0 walks and one HBP on the day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 18, 2007, 01:21:56 pm
thanks for the informaiton "Guy"...  with all the talk of Chapman, a lot of good teams have been lost site of.  Texas Lutheran being one of them...

And the northern teams haven't event taken the field yet...  most of them start in the next two weeks.  That is when things will be really interesting....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 18, 2007, 01:27:17 pm
Ralph,

It sounds like a buys weekend... we have them here all the time.  As one sport doesn't ever look at anothers schedule with they do theirs and we often times have 4 or 5 things happening over a weekend.  ANd I just want to go to baseball games or watch NFL footbal... LOL

That is really something about a player being named to the All-Conference 75 year Anniversay team.  Think of all the players who have been on the court for McMurry, let alone the entire conference over that time span.  That really is a great honor for the... I was going to say young man... but he is as old as you are...  :o  I guess that does make him a young man, doesn't it? 

Seriously, congratuations to both the school and the hornoree!!!

That is really a terrific happening for all invovled!!!
Title: Re: UT-Dallas 4, Trinity TX 3 (10)
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 09:50:11 pm
What a game! Boxscore (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/BOXES07/bs3trin.htm)

I got to Comet Field (altho' no official name is present on the scoreboard that I can remember) in the 7th. 

After UT-D manufactured a run in the second on 2 walks, a SAC Bunt and an infield grounder, Trinity had gone up 3-1 in the bottom of the 5th.  Both starting pitchers had good outings for late February.

In the bottom of the 8th, Elizondo singled to right and Bird homered to left, tied 3-3.

In the bottom of the 9th, here is the heart of the inning...

Quote
...Cargile singled up the middle. Whitehead pinch ran for Cargile. Garcia singled through the right side; Whitehead advanced* to third. Poffenroth to p for Horn. Hand reached on a fielder's choice; Garcia advanced to second; Whitehead out at home p to c.

Hand's suicide squeeze just died in the dirt in front of the plate and Whitehead, the PR, was out by the "mile".  However, the asterisk (*) is to designate that Whitehead stumbled in what appeared to be loose dirt around the leadoff area at first.  He did not get a clean start.

The excitement extended to the top of the 10th.

Quote
Trinity University 10th - Vera out at first lf to ss to 1b. Holman
struck out swinging. Pennington struck out looking. 0 runs, 0 hits, 0
errors, 0 LOB.

I was sitting at the top of the stands behind the plate and saw Vera stumble as he was rounding first on the apparent double to left.  UT-D called for the appeal and the first base umpire was following the runner.  He quickly called him out on appeal for missing first base, which lit the fuse on the Trinity fans.

In the bottom of the 10th,

Quote
Univ. Texas - Dallas 10th - Elizondo flied out to cf. Bird walked.
Jackson doubled to right field; Bird advanced to third. Elliott reached on a
fielding error by rf, SF, RBI; Jackson advanced to third; Bird scored. 1
run, 1 hit, 1 error, 2 LOB.

I interpreted the last play as a catch and then the RF bobbled the ball as he was preparing for the throw to the plate.  That would have been the second out anyway.  Bird easily ran home!

In the conversations after the game, a high school umpire from the Houston region said it looked like the missed base appeal was the right call, because he sees it all of the time, i.e., players missing bases.  It deflated the Trinity inning as the next 2 batters struck out, and the coach was ejected.

In all, this was a well-pitched game.  All four pitchers should be commended for this early season performance.

One other note, poster historymajor is heading up the effort to audio stream the Trinity games.  Contact him for more information.

Today's audio stream for UT-D was done by Dallas radio-TV icon, Bill Mercer.  Mr. Mercer has been the voice of many DFW area sports ventures and he now teaches at UNT.  He had one of his pupils doing color at the game today and it was wonderful to hear his broadcast up the back seat of the stands. If I find the archive, I will post it.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 19, 2007, 09:37:06 pm
Texas Lutheran 9 - Southwestern 3

Texas Lutheran improves to 7-0, rewards Coach Bill Miller with 500th career win.

LF Mat Moore (.389) 1-3, 3 RBI
1B Jason Foley (.348) 2-5, 2 runs, RBI
C Josh Moreno 2-4, 2 runs, RBI

Daniel Besa (2-0) relieved starter Kyle Newmanm, pitching 4.1 innings, 3 H, 0 R, 6 SO
Newman gave up 3 in 3.2

LP pitcher for Southwestern was Scott Rogers, 5.0 IP, 8 H, 6 R, 1 ER
Brad Culling was 1-2, w/ 2 BBs in the loss


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2007, 01:12:00 am
East Division Hitter of the Week
Brett Amyx, 1B, Sr., Texas-Tyler Andrew Cantrell, RHP, So., East Texas Baptist
Texas-Tyler senior first baseman Brett Amyx (Coppell, Texas CHS) went 6-for-7, belting three home runs with eight RBI as the Patriots swept a three-game series with Mid America Christian. He scored five runs and walked once.

East Division Pitcher of the Week
East Texas Baptist sophomore right-hander Andrew Cantrell (Hilmar, California / HHS) hurled a complete-game five-hitter against Mary Hardin-Baylor, allowing one run and walking one. The Preseason ASC East Division Pitcher of the Year's performance came a day after UMHB had scored 24 runs.

West Division Hitter of the Week
Marcus Volz, OF, So., Mary Hardin-Baylor Nick Schafer, RHP, Sr., McMurry
Mary Hardin-Baylor sophomore outfielder Marcus Volz (Katy, Texas / Cinco Ranch HS) produced 10 hits (10-for-16) in a weekend series with East Texas Baptist, including going 5-for-5 in the opener. Volz scored seven runs, walked five times, stole three bases in three attempts and drove in three runs over a four-game stretch.

West Division Pitcher of the Week
McMurry senior right-hander Nick Schafer (San Antonio, Texas) allowed one run over eight innings, scattering five hits with no walks and two strikeouts to end No.3-ranked Chapman's seven game winning streak to begin the season. Schafer hadn't pitched since May 21, 2004 in the NCAA Division III West Regional because of an injured shoulder.




OTHER TOP PERFORMANCES

HITTER:
Mississippi College 2B Jody Britt went 8-for-13 with two home runs a triple and nine RBI over four games
Texas-Dallas OF Trent Elizondo went 9-for-15 with four doubles as the Comets took a series from nationally-ranked Trinity (Texas)
Ozarks 1B Andrew Teaster went 5-for-8 with three RBI during a 2-0 week, extending his hitting streak to five games
East Texas Baptist 1B Will Melton had five hits and scored five runs in a series win over Mary Hardin-Baylor
Hardin-Simmons OF Ryan Stepp was 6-for-8 with two home runs in a two-game sweep of Texas-Permian Basin
Schreiner OF Jeremiah Kester was 6-for-7 with four runs scored over a two-game sweep of Austin College
Texas Lutheran SS Jake Kaase was 8-for-10 with four RBI in a doubleheader sweep of Huston-Tillotson
Concordia-Austin OF Bryan Jacobs had five hits and stole two bases over three games against Southwestern.

PITCHER:
Ozarks RHP Robby Finnell did not allow a run over six innings to pick up the win against Hendrix
Texas-Tyler RHP Ryan Campbell went six innings, striking out seven to beat Mid America Christian
Texas Lutheran RHP Adam Enloe tossed a complete-game shutout with four hits against Huston-Tillotson
Schreiner LHP Colton Hermes didn't allow an earned run over seven innings in a win over Austin College
Concordia-Austin RHP Jonathan Miller collected nine strikeouts and didn't allow a run over seven innings against Southwestern
Mary Hardin-Baylor LHP Bill Pearce struck out 13 batters over seven innings in a loss to East Texas Baptist. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 20, 2007, 06:18:33 pm
Trinity's home-opener tonight vs. UMHB will be webcast as well as live-stats...
Justin Parker, SID at the controls.

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/index.htm

Feb. 19, 2007 | Baseball | Live Stats | Webcast
Tiger Baseball Opens Home Schedule Tuesday Night
Fresh off a three-game road series at UT-Dallas, the Trinity baseball team will open up its home schedule with a single game against the University of Mary Hardin-Baylor on Tuesday night at E.M. Stevens Field.  The first pitch is scheduled for 7:00 p.m. and fans can follow the game via the live stats and webcast links..
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 01:16:08 pm
West Division Pitcher of the Week
McMurry senior right-hander Nick Schafer (San Antonio, Texas) allowed one run over eight innings, scattering five hits with no walks and two strikeouts to end No.3-ranked Chapman's seven game winning streak to begin the season. Schafer hadn't pitched since May 21, 2004 in the NCAA Division III West Regional because of an injured shoulder.

OTHER TOP PERFORMANCES
PITCHER:

Concordia-Austin RHP Jonathan Miller collected nine strikeouts and didn't allow a run over seven innings against Southwestern

I know beating Chapman was/is a big deal, but that stat line for Schafer says to me that it was the defense behind him, more than his stuff, that kept Chapman to one run. And while Chapman's gotta be better than Southwestern, 9 K's over 7 innings and no runs given up, and only one walk if I recall, is a better pure pitching performance than Schafer's.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 22, 2007, 09:16:48 am
LETU gets runned by Hendrix 17-2.

Hendrix hits two grandslams in the 8th inning. 

Hendrix dh goes 4 for 4 with 8 rbi's

LETU runs their record to 1-4.  I have a feeling this is going ot be a LONG season for the Jackets. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 01:41:11 pm
I know beating Chapman was/is a big deal, but that stat line for Schafer says to me that it was the defense behind him, more than his stuff, that kept Chapman to one run. And while Chapman's gotta be better than Southwestern, 9 K's over 7 innings and no runs given up, and only one walk if I recall, is a better pure pitching performance than Schafer's.

CUAfan, a good defense can make a pitcher.  Schafer pitched less than 100 pitches that day.  The defense played consistently.  I didn't see anything to say it was spectacular.  Rather it had a solid look to it during the game. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bmo on February 22, 2007, 01:45:39 pm
"Schafer hadn't pitched since May 21, 2004 in the NCAA Division III West Regional because of an injured shoulder. "

You have to give him all the credit in the world for coming back after an almost three year layoff and beating the number 2 team in the country.  It's very easy to move on to other things, especially at the D3 level. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 22, 2007, 02:41:38 pm
Ralph: You should know, having helped found a SABR chapter. :P Just saying that in terms of pitcher-only variables, one can make a good case that Miller had the better outing. Not that he necessarily did, but that the case is there.

Bmo: I was under the impression that POTW was a performance award, not a human-interest feel-good award. Schafer's comeback after the layoff was impressive, yes, but the question ought to be whether or not it was the best performance by an ASC West pitcher that week.

BTW, I think a lot of the POTW awards get skewed towards winning teams more across the board, so they turn into more team-effort awards than individual-effort ones. Example: McDonald in men's bball led the league in scoring all year and won 1 POTW award, probably since we had a losing record all year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 22, 2007, 03:41:39 pm
I agree that on the surface it may seem as though Miller's performance was statistically better.  However, I think when you factor in all of the variables the right decision was made.  When you look at how all of the other pitchers for McMurry fared against the Chapman offense you have to figure that Schafer's numbers were way out of the norm for holding down that offense.  That performance was way out of the norm when you look at how everyone has done against Chapman.  When you look at Southwestern they are a team that is below .500 right now.  They have yet to score 10 runs in a game even once.  They have scored only 4 runs or less in more than half of their games so far this season.  I would say that even though the stat line may have been somewhat better for Miller the degree of difficulty for Schafer was much greater.  In my opinion, that make Schafer's pitching performance the more unlikely and the more significant.  And when you throw in the fact he hadn't won a game in two years and I'm sure the anxiety of how he would perform after the time off, it makes for a better story.  One that could draw more attention to the player, the school, and ultimately to the conference.  I think the right decision was made.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 22, 2007, 04:38:11 pm
True enough. I don't know enough about Chapman other than the high ranking to make a call one way or the other. I can see how Schafer's performance was better, given the competition. My whole point in this has been to say that maybe too much attention is given to team accomplishments when handing out POTW awards. Not all the time, and not necessarily in this case, but as a general rule.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 22, 2007, 05:22:20 pm
CUAfan,

I think you make a good point there.  The POTW awards should be more about the individual performance.  I believe a great performance can come from anywhere, even in a losing effort.  I would say, however, that if two accomplishments compare equally I would have to look at more information in making a decision. Such as the importance of the game i.e. was it a game with a lot of post-season implications, or how big of an impact did that performance have on the game itself.  If a guy got 5 hits in a game his team won by 15 runs, I wouldn't care as much as a guy with 3 hits and his team won on his walk-off home run.  I think it is good, though, to scrutinize these things because it means a lot to the players and teams when they are awarded.  It shouldn't just go to the top team every week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2007, 07:41:03 pm
In addition to things that utility cat mentioned.  And I posted this the other evening, but it timed out on me and never made it up.  Schafer beat a team that hasn't been beaten and hasn't scored less than 4 runs EXCEPT in that outing.  He beat a team that was averaging 8.8 runs a game; whereas, Miller did something that other pitchers are doing.  Schreiner's Armijio went 8 IP and had 9 Ks and either 0 or 1 run against Southwestern, and Tuesday TLU's Besa through 4.1 in relief and had 0 runs and 6 K's so he was probably on pace as well. CUA fan, you're right a case could be made in favor of Miller, but I think when it came down to it that the right decision was made, and I feel like the ASC usually does a pretty good job.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 10:50:46 pm
Good point, guy.

I hope that Schafer's shoulder holds up.  That was his first decision since May 2004!

Right now, my top 2 pitchers in the West are Besa for TLU and Dalton Rucker for HSU.

Has anyone seen any others?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2007, 11:54:19 pm
I think you probably mention Enloe (TLU) in the same breath as those guys.

                               ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB SO 2B 3B HR  AB B/Avg
Adam Enloe..........  0.75   1-0     2      2   1      1/0         0  12.0   9   2   1   0   8   0   0   0   43  .209   

Not necessarily at that level but worth a mention are guys like Schafer (maybe?), Miller at CUA, Armijo at Schreiner so far this season, and maybe Kevin Jones from Schreiner (but we'll see once they get into ASC play). I'm interested in seeing how the two division 1 guys that transfered into HSU to accompany Rucker in the rotation fare.  Also, Kyle Newman has been masterful the past three years for TLU. It will be interesting to see if he can get back on track.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 23, 2007, 09:21:05 am
To get on the East's band wagon real quick, I think right now you can pick out any of the UT-Tyler pitcher's as being the best on our side.  Ryan Campbell seems to be the strongest of them all, which includes an opening day win against McM 
                                 ERA   W-L    IP      H   R  ER  BB  SO   AB    B/Avg   
Ryan Campbell.......  0.68   2-0   13.1  12   1   1    1    12   48     .250     

UT-Tyler Team Totals
                          ERA   W-L    IP      H   R  ER  BB  SO    AB    B/Avg   
Totals..............  0.92   5-0   39.0  27   8   4   6    46   143    .189

While I realize that their schedule to this point has been somewhat weak, which could be the understatement of the year, it's still pretty impressive to see some of the stats they are putting up.     
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 23, 2007, 01:30:58 pm
As long as his arm holds up (which goes for all of them I suppose), Miller should have numbers right up there with the big boys by the end of the year.

At any rate, you can't really make a statistical case for anyone with nobody having more than 15 innings or so pitched yet. Let's see where they're at when they hit 40-50 IP.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 23, 2007, 03:59:02 pm
Agreed, but that's what makes Baseball stats so fun!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 23, 2007, 09:55:37 pm
Not a lot of Friday scores reported yet.

UT Tyler 7 - Howard Payne 6 -- No Box Scores yet

Mississippi College 22 - Mary-Hardin Baylor 5

WP Shawn Ashley 6 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 4 SO
LP R.B. Garza 4 IP, 11 H, 7 ER, 1 BB, 5 SO

Kind of surprised UMHB would start Garza who started against Trinity on Tuesday.  Granted, he only threw three innings, but still. He's thrown well all year (including against Trinity) so I'm kind of surprised he got touched up quite like he did except for the fact that he had thrown on Tuesday.

UMHB
DH Gary Lopez 1-3, 2 RBI
3B Andrew White 2-3 1 run, 1 RBI

Miss
SS Hugh Brown 3-5, 4 runs
2B Jody Britt 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI
RF Wesley Radicioni 5-6, 4 runs, 4 RBI
1B Max Parks 3-4, 3 runs, 4 RBI
C Ben Lenard 3-5, 5 RBI
Lf Brannan Walls 2-2, 3 runs, 1 RBI, 2 BB
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 24, 2007, 02:47:26 am
Texas Lutheran 8 - Ozarks 7

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics?newsid=343

Hardin Simmons 18, 10 - Louisiana College 10, 3

http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/022307aaa.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 08:35:07 am
Feb 21st

Southwestern 12, McMurry 11

Richard Falcone's walk off 2-run homer in the bottom of the 9th gives the Pirates the win.

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/baseball/stats/mcmsw.htm


Feb 23rd

UT-Dallas 13, McMurry 12 (10)

McMurry scored four runs in the eighth and seven in the ninth, but failed to score in the tenth as UT-D's Trent Elizondo, who had doubled, scored on Nick Bird's RBI single in the top of the 10th.  DH is scheduled today.

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/baseball/


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 25, 2007, 07:33:03 pm
CUA scores this weekend:

CUA 4, ETBU 2
CUA 4, ETBU 3
CUA 38, ETBU 10 (yes, you're reading that right; they decided to play a football game :P)
CUA 5, HTU 8 (oh well, can't win 'em all)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 26, 2007, 11:07:31 am
Game 1
SRSU - 10
LETU - 8
5 LETU errors lead to 6 unearned runs

Game 2
LETU - 12
SRSU - 8
Freshman Joey Ramos goes 4 for 4 with 3 runs scored.  Wolfers improves to 2-1

Game 3
SRSU - 9
LETU - 2
3 errors lead to 7 unearned runs
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 26, 2007, 11:15:05 am
That Concorida - ETBU game is unreal!  Some things I noticed.

After an 1 1/2, it was 13-7 CUA
Every CUA starter got a hit
RYAN POUNDS HAD 9 RBI's on 3 hits - 2 2b's, hr (grand slam), sac fly and a walk
There was a combined 7 HBP, 10 doubles, 7 homeruns
CUA scored in all 7 innings
CUA - 29 hits in 51 AB's - got that from the article written about the game
http://athletics.concordia.edu/article.cfm?newsID=766 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/article.cfm?newsID=766)

If you want to look at the boxscore, here's the link.  It's pretty incredible to read the play by play http://athletics.concordia.edu/baseball/cua-12.htm (http://athletics.concordia.edu/baseball/cua-12.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on February 26, 2007, 08:37:18 pm
As a pitcher's mom, I generally never comment on message board postings and rarely read them, especially if they concern my son.  But I wanted to remark about the POTW awarded to Nick Schafer.  I actually got teary-eyed when I read it.  While we can always make arguments one way or another as to which player had the better stats, played the toughest team, had the best defense, played in the best weather, on the better field etc. (after all that's the great thing about this type of forum); there is no question as to the fact that Schafer had the most outstanding performance.  When a pitcher returns from an injury, it is a huge accomplishment that he can pitch 8 innings.  To have the evening on the hill that Schafer no doubt had, is remarkable and the ASC made the right call.  So, "Hats off" to Schafer and I hope he has a great season!  If my son, Jonathan Miller, continues to pitch with the consistency he has shown thus far, he will get his recognition, but for now give credit where credit is due and be thankful that this talented young man has apparently overcome his injury and is back in action.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:55:58 pm
McMurry 15-16  UT-D 8-14  (DH finished today.)

McMurry wins 2 of 3.  I will try not to sound like a homer, but I think that this is a problem with UT-D's bullpen.

I know that McM is still working thru their bullpen.  UT-D had trouble with the big inning with Trinity.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:58:33 pm
Welcome aboard, pitchinmom.  We always are glad to have mothers on these boards.

A +1 karma is an applause to what you have said.  Please post frequently! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 27, 2007, 09:34:37 am
I think it's safe to say that most of the ASC East teams do not have much of a bullpen, i.e. ETBU, LETU and UTD.  I expect to see A  LOT of high scoring games this year during conference play.

Major props to pitchinmom for posting - if I could give ya a karma pt, I would - thanks Ralph for saying something that we all feel!  And we give you permission to have some bias on this page for you son  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2007, 09:08:38 pm
Texas Lutheran 5 - Trinity 0

WP Logan Hull (2-0) 7 IP, 7 H, 1 BB, 7 SO
LP Brian Oates (1-1) 1.2 IP, 2 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 SO

TLU:
SS Jacob Kaase 1-4, 1 R, 3 RBI
LF Mat Moore 2-4
1B Jason Foley 2-4
RP Robert Conley 2 IP, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 SO

Trinity:
CF Nick Vera 2-4
RP Britton Horn 4 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 SO

Texas Lutheran improves to 11-0 and will face currently 8-0 UT Tyler this upcoming weekend in ASC cross divisional play.

Trinity dropped to 5-5.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2007, 10:59:06 pm
Hardin-Simmons 14 - Wayland Baptist 13

WP Josh Alcorn (1-0) got the win in relief. Starter Brian Arnold surrendered 7 ER in 2.1 IP.

3B Brad Coleman 2-5, 1 run, 3 RBI
CF Michael Simpson 1-3, 2 runs, 4 RBI, HR, 3 BB (sets all time school mark in non-scholarship era with his 26th)
RF Ryan Stepp 4-6, 2 runs

.364 team batting average, but a 7.83 team ERA at this point in the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2007, 11:06:25 pm
East Division Hitter of the Week East Division Pitcher of the Week
Trent Elizondo,
Texas-Dallas senior outfielder Trent Elizondo (The Woodlands, Texas / TWHS) collected 14 hits over 20 at-bats, rasing his batting average to .692 on the season. Elizondo hit four doubles, had nine RBI and walked twice. He also scored a combined six times against Paul Quinn College and McMurry

East Division Pitcher of the Week
Sr., Texas-Dallas Grant Wilson,
RHP, Sr., Louisiana College
Louisiana College senior right-hander Grant Wilson (Monroe, Louisiana / Ouachita HS) threw a complete game shutout against Texas College on Tuesday. He allowed just two hits and was perfect over six innings. Wilson turned around on Saturday and allowed only two runs in seven innings against Hardin-Simmons. Both appearances resulted in wins.

West Division Hitter of the Week
Ryen Pounds,
OF, Sr., Concordia-Austin
Concordia-Austin senior outfielder Ryen Pounds (Austin, Texas / McCallum HS) hit two home runs - including a grand slam - and two doubles to go along with 12 RBI over a four-game stretch. He went 3-for-3 with a walk and nine RBI during the game in which the Tornados plated 38 runs - a new ASC record and 10 off the all-time NCAA Division III mark - against East Texas Baptist. 

West Division Pitcher of the Week
Bernard Pena,
RHP, Jr., Schreiner
Schreiner junior right-hander Bernard Pena (San Antonio, Texas / Judson HS) hurled a no-hitter against Division II Texas A&M International, striking out four batters and walking only one over the seven-inning game. The Mountaineers won 7-0.

OTHER TOP PERFORMANCES

HITTER:
LeTourneau C Joey Ramos went 4-for-4 with a triple to spark a win over Sul Ross State
Louisiana College SS Gene Taylor collected nine hits, including a home run, over five games
Ozarks 3B Bruce Cameron went 5-for-12 with a home run in a series against Texas Lutheran
Schreiner OF Jeremiah Kester was 12-for-16 with seven RBI as the Mountaineers went 3-1. He walked three times. . .
Hardin-Simmons CF Michael Simpson hit two home runs, two doubles and had six RBI as the Cowboys took a series from Louisiana College
Mary Hardin-Baylor 2B Adam Froeschl batted .471 and had two three-hit games over a four-game stretch
Texas Lutheran 3B/DH Marcus Melnar had the game-winning single in an 8-7 win over Ozarks. He went 4-for-6 in that game.

PITCHER:
Texas Lutheran's Daniel Besa picked up two wins, one gave head coach Bill Miller his 500th career victory and the other game Miller his 503rd - making him the winning coach in TLU history. Besa struck out 12 over 10 1/3 innings
Concordia-Austin's Jonathan Miller struck out 13 batters over nine innings in a win against East Texas Baptist
Sul Ross State's Jaime Rojo pitched a complete game, resulting in a win over LeTourneau.


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2007, 11:17:55 pm
Mary Hardin Baylor 22 - SW Assemblies of God 9

WP Chase Beyrand (1-0)  5 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 2 SO

CF Marcus Volz 2-4, 3 runs
DH Joseph Villegas 2-3, 3 runs, 3 RBI, HR
2B Adam Froeschl 6-6, 3 runs, 8 RBI, 2 HR (He's on another planet right now)
RF Gary Lopez 3-5, 1 run, 1 RBI, HR
PH Stephen Fellows 2-2, 2 runs, 1 RBI, HR
C Clayton Presswood 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI, HR
3B R.B. Garza 2-4, 2 runs, 4 RBI, 2 HR



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2007, 11:29:50 pm
UT Dallas 2 - Southwestern 0

Andrew Hastings (2-0) out duels SU Ace Andy Morrison for the victory.  Brett Rosen led the Comets going 1-3 with an RBI.

WP Hastings 6 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 5 Ks
LP Morrison 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 2Ks

UT Dallas 3 - Southwestern 1

WP Damian Chelakis (2-1) 4.1 IP (in relief) 6 H, 1 ER
LP Wes Willis (0-2) 6 IP, 12 H, 2 ER, 2 Ks

Rosen, Trent Elizondo, Jeremy Reagan and Mitch Elliot all contributed 2 hits a piece

CF Bellomy 1-3, 1 RBI for SU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 28, 2007, 10:21:22 am
pitchinmom: It's always a joy to watch Jonathan pitch. Welcome to the boards. :)

Pena deserved that POTW. It's not like A&M Intl. is a bad D2 team...they're 15-4 on the year! I just wish it hadn't been the same week as Miller's 13 K complete game. :P

IMO, ETBU doesn't have all that much pitching, period, much less a bullpen. Their #1 and #2 starters are ok, but past that I didn't see much. Cantrell didn't even impress me much, considering he was the preseason pitcher of the year for the East.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on March 01, 2007, 06:57:35 am
CUAfan:  I agree whole-heartedly that Pena had an outstanding performance and deserved the award.  Some folks make the case that POTW should be awarded to the pitcher with the best stats for the week.  I lean towards it be awarded to the player with the most outstanding performance.  The two are not necessarily the same.  I'm just glad I'm not the one that has to decide!  And although I do admit, I pull up the ASC website whenever Miller has a great week to see if it's there; it will really thrill me to pull up the website at the end of the season and see Concordia featured for winning the championship!  I also agree that Miller is a fun pitcher to watch, even if he is my son.  There's just a certain electricity about him whenever he takes the mound and you can just tell that he really loves what he's doing.  So, here's to some great weeks ahead and it will be fun to see how the season unfolds.  The great thing about it, is that on any given day any one of these teams can beat any other team out there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 01, 2007, 10:01:12 am
The ASC is 6-3 against Southwestern this year with four more games against them (one each against HSU, MCM, UMHB, and HPU).

Just a random tidbit of info to start everyone's day. :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 02, 2007, 03:51:19 pm
LETU takes a pair from Paul Quinn the other day -
Game 1
LETU  - 2
PQ - 1
LETU freshman Kaminiski get first collegiate win with 6.1 IP pitched of 6 hit ball
LETU sophmore Hybner solo shot in the fifth for GW run
Game 2
LETU -  11
PQ - 10
Jackets win on error in the bottom of the 10th.  Score 2 runs in bottom of the 9th to tie up game. 
Jackets take a quick 7-0 lead only to see it disapper in 6th.
LETU Cook throws 5 innings of no hit ball before giving up 6 runs in 6th. 

LETU ups their record to 4-6
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 02, 2007, 03:52:15 pm
BTW - I am going to be at the UTT - TLU game.  Pretty excited about watching two top notch programs go at it.  Give you the details tomorrow!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 11:24:37 pm
McM 4 MissColl 1

DH will be broadcast on MissColl's web site.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 03, 2007, 02:26:08 pm
CUA 12, Ozarks 8 (10 innings)

CUA scores 4 in the top of the 10th and holds on for the win. CUA goes to 4-0 against the East.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 08:32:16 pm
McM splits with the Choctaws today. (http://www.gochoctaws.com/sports/baseball/2007/teamstat.htm#MCVSMCM1)

Nick Schafer pitches a complete game 2 hitter for a 1-0 win in the opener.  MC wins the nightcap 5-3.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 04, 2007, 08:48:22 pm
BTW - I am going to be at the UTT - TLU game.  Pretty excited about watching two top notch programs go at it.  Give you the details tomorrow!

I was busy Friday, but I was hoping to make it over for Saturday's game, but no such luck.  I heard some things though so tell me if you agree with any Bearkat.

- UT Tyler is the better team at this point in the season.
- Texas Lutheran was pretty competitive on Saturday playing two very close games (and having a chance to win in both), despite not having their best player SS Jake Kaase in the lineup.
- UT Tyler is as deep as anyone in D3 on the mound with a very good bullpen and any number of guys they can go to.
- That the umpiring seemed to favor UT Tyler quite a bit (even expanded zones until the third game with Besa on the bump).
- UT Tyler's coach was bunting in the bottom of the 8th up nine runs in the first game.
- Copeland played well, but Damewood (along with Elizondo) might be better hitters in the ASC East.
- UT Tyler's score keeper called a LOT of errors hits including 4-5 that were hit to Kendall Fox, but that both teams looked pretty vulernable defensively eventhough the boxscores don't necessarily show that.

This stuff came from visiting with a Tyler supporter (believe it or not) and a neutral observer.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 04, 2007, 08:55:50 pm
Schreiner 7 - East Texas Baptist 5

STORY:
http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1221

BOXSCORE:
http://www2.etbu.edu/content/sports/baseball/030207.htm#GAME.NCA

Concordia 7 - Ozarks 4
Ozarks 14 - Concordia 10

STORY:
http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/news/news_story.asp?iNewsID=1695&strBack=%2Fathletics%2FDefault%2Easp

UTD Sweeps Hardin-Simmons

http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/0303hsu.htm

Still tough to get a grasp on what to expect from the ASC this year.

I'm going to try and get some Just Some Guy's Regional Rankings out by Tuesday evening. We'll see.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 05, 2007, 09:55:39 am
BTW - I am going to be at the UTT - TLU game.  Pretty excited about watching two top notch programs go at it.  Give you the details tomorrow!

- UT Tyler is the better team at this point in the season.
- Texas Lutheran was pretty competitive on Saturday playing two very close games (and having a chance to win in both), despite not having their best player SS Jake Kaase in the lineup.
- UT Tyler is as deep as anyone in D3 on the mound with a very good bullpen and any number of guys they can go to.
- That the umpiring seemed to favor UT Tyler quite a bit (even expanded zones until the third game with Besa on the bump).
- UT Tyler's coach was bunting in the bottom of the 8th up nine runs in the first game.
- Copeland played well, but Damewood (along with Elizondo) might be better hitters in the ASC East.
- UT Tyler's score keeper called a LOT of errors hits including 4-5 that were hit to Kendall Fox, but that both teams looked pretty vulernable defensively eventhough the boxscores don't necessarily show that


-There is no doubt that UT-Tyler is the better team up and down the line-up.  The scary thing is I only think UT-Tyler is going to get better.  While I don't think that first game of the series was a testament of how good TLU really is, I do think that UTTYLER is the best team in the conference. 

-Losing Kaase is a huge blow to TLU and I think that if he is in the line-up on Sat., TLU gets one of those games.  Not taking anything away from UTT, but I really feel he is the heart of that team.  He left in the 8th inning of Friday's game. 

-Tyler's pitching staff is amazing.  They have two aces in Campbell and Holland and two closers that were bringing it in the mid to low 90's.  It's crazy, but there are more guys on the bench who could probably be #1 starters for a lot of teams in our conference. 

-Home field advantage.  Scorekeeping and umpiring, but that's not what won or lost the game for UTT.  They were the better team this weekend.  That's not to say that TLU doesn't sweep them at their place, it's just this week I think UTT was more pumped up about this game than TLU.  That's always going to be scorekeeping issues, just ask any SID, espically when the individaul is bias.  I've done scorekeeping for my team before, and a couple of times I gave our players hits when it could've gone either way. 

-No one likes it when coaches bunt with a 8 run lead, but he was looking at it as TLU has a powerful offense and every run counts.  To show you how important this game was, Coach Vlade brought in his closer into the game with an 8 run lead to shut them down.  While I don't neccasirly agree with bunting, however there is some logic to it.  I think against a team like LETU, you wouldn't bunt with an eight run lead.  I've played against him and he really is a good dude, just very competitive. 

-Copeland, while he is an amazing talent and probably a top 5 player on the East side, isn't the best player in conference right now.  I really hate saying any player is the best conference b/c it's all about who is consistent over a 40 game season.  I would say any Coach would love to have Copeland on his team, but it's early to say who the best player in conference is. 

UTT played with a lot of passion this weekend, something I haven't seen from this team in their first 5+ years of playing ball.  It's a shame they can't play in the tournament this year b/c I'd like to see what they can do on the National stage.  TLU is going to be fine and I don't think that UTT is so much better than them that they would get swept.  Once they lost Kaase, it seemed that they lost a step to their game. 

Just my opinion. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 05, 2007, 06:00:07 pm
LETU - 6
HPU - 0
Game 1

LETU - Wolfers goes the distance with a complete game shutout.  Cravalho gets clutch 2 out, basesloaded hit to seal the deal.

HPU - 9
LETU - 1

LETU - held to 1 hit through 9 innings, however, 8 BB's and 5 HBP provide plenty of baserunners.  LETU played brutal in the field. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 09:14:30 am
Congratulations to Coach Lee Driggers on getting his 300th win last night over SRSU, 9-1.

Clint Johnston got the complete game, allowing one run on 6 hits!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 10, 2007, 12:13:30 pm
CUA 14, Schreiner 7

Miller strikes out 10 and walks 3 in a 6-earned-run complete game. And no, I don't know why Miller was left in for all 9. Looking at the box score I would've thought Coach would have used a reliever or two, but that's just nitpicking. :P

At the plate, Jacobs went 1-of-3 with 3 walks and Thielepape went 3-of-6.

Wish I was in Kerrville for the DH today.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 12, 2007, 11:42:28 am
UTTyler sweeps MC

LA College takes 2 of 3 from LETU.

LETU gets Game 1 on a walk-off Grand Slam by Soph RF Ed Hurta to win the game.  LA College comes back on Sat. to sweet the DH pretty handily. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2007, 10:54:22 am
Concordia is off to a pretty good start. Damn this next weekend against TLU is going to be huge.







Member of the only ASC team to go to the World Series in Wisconsin!

Concordia (02)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 14, 2007, 11:16:53 am
LETU Splits with Wiley

Game 1
Wiley - 6
LETU - 2

Wiley scores 5 unearned runs on 4 LETU errors.  Freshman Kaminski throws a complete game and pitched very well

Game 2
LETU - 7
Wiley - 6

LETU scores 4 runs in the bottom of the 7th for a comeback win, capped off by a 3 run homer by Soph. Hybner.  Senior Caleb Melbom gets his 1st win of the season with a 2 2/3 innings pitched in relief. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2007, 11:42:16 am
Texas Lutheran finally got their game schedule for Monday in yesterday and won 10-9 in extra innings over a Concordia Seward team that was 0-11. They emptied out the bullpen one day before taking on conference foe Concordia-Austin in what will be a HUGE series for both teams. They used seven pitchers including who I believe is their closer, Conley, 3.1 IP. Also SP Kyle Newman (who didn't get out of the 1st inning against HSU) entered the game and walked a batter and hit a batter.

SS Jake Kaase went 3-5 elevating his average to .492
C Josh Moreno and RF Ryan Nokelby also added 3 hits a piece.
1B Jason Foley was 2-3 w/ 3 walks

Some_Guy

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2007, 07:19:19 pm
Howard Payne 5 - Schreiner 3

WP: Davies 9 IP, 9 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 10 SO
LP Armijo 1.2 IP, 6 H, 4 ER

1B Cable and RF Langston had 2 hits a piece for SU
CF Kasey Black was 4-4 and DH Kyle Lloyd was 2-4 in the win for HPU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2007, 07:32:03 pm
Texas Lutheran 5 - Concordia 1

WP: Daniel Besa (5-0) 7 IP, 10 H, 1 ER, 2 Ks
LP: Jonathon Miller (3-2) 7 IP, 9 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 7 Ks

C Bill Mitchell was 3-4 and 3B Steven Szkotak was 2-3 with 2 walks in the loss
3B Joseph Brade was 2-3, 2 RBI, HR and Josh Moreno was 2-4 w/ 2 RBI for TLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2007, 01:16:40 am
Some other ASC games from late:

McMurry 14 - Hardin-Simmons 0 (shutting out that offense is impressive)
LeTourneau 8 - Mississippi 5 (bit of a surprise)
Ozarks 8 - ETBU 3
UT Dallas 14 - La College 12
UT Dallas 9 - La College 4
UMHB 17 - Sul Ross 7


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2007, 09:08:01 pm
McMurry 11 - Hardin-Simmons 5
McMurry 14 - Hardin-Simmons 8 (McMurry sweeps series 3-0)

Texas Lutheran 2 - Concordia 0
Texas Lutheran 7 - Concordia 4 (TLU sweeps series 3-0)

Howard Payne 14 - Schreiner 3
Howard Payne 5 - Schreiner 3 (HPU sweeps series 3-0)

UMHB 8 - Sul Ross 1
UMHB 11 - Sul Ross 1 (UMHB sweeps series 3-0)


UT Dallas 1 - La College 0 (UTD sweeps series 3-0)

Mississippi 6 - LeTourneau 2
Mississippi 11  - LeTourneau 7 (Miss takes series 2-1)

Ozarks 6 - East Texas Baptist 3
Ozarks 7 - ETBU 6 (Ozarks sweeps series 3-0)

UT Tyler moves to 20-0 on the year...

Some_Guy


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:34:12 pm
The good news for McMurry with the HSU-TLU ppd/cancellation is that it temporarily puts McM 1 and 1/2 games ahead in the win column.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:35:09 pm
The good news for McMurry with the HSU-TLU ppd/cancellation is that it temporarily puts McM 1 and 1/2 games ahead in the win column.

It also looks like McM can get quality outings from Johnston, Schafer and Curry at the 20-game point in the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 19, 2007, 10:22:56 am
Looks like LETU is going to put up a better fight on the season than originally thought.  Grabbing a win on the road against a quality MC team, though I know this isn't the same team they've had in the past, is huge for the young 'Jackets.  Coach Harriss has done miracles with this team.  Currently sitting at 8-14, many people in the LETU circles are pleased with that record.  Last year's coach resigned in the middle of recruiting season and note, not ONE, player was recruited for this year's team.  LETU has only 2 true outfielders and 1 true starting pitcher who has the talent to play at the collegiate level.  I am not saying that the Jackets are world beaters, or they are going to win the conference, just giving Coach Harriss and his young team props for what they've done so far.  Only have 14 guys on your team, in a tough ASC Conference, he has really done wonders for this team.  One guy who should get some postseason awards look is Soph RF Ed Hurta, who is hitting over .300, has also picked up wins against LC and MC this year.  Last year Hurta was only used in the closer role and for him to step up like this says wonders about his talent level.

Please don't think I am trying to say that LETU is on the verge of being title contenders, I just feel that they deserve props for what they've done this season in a sense of being able to go out there and competiting.  I honestly wouldn't be suprised if they hand UTT and UTD a lose in their upcoming series with them.  Of course, I also wouldn't be suprised if they get swept as well ;)

Beautfiul weather for baseball last weekend over here in the East Texas area.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 10:07:18 pm
McMurry leads TLU 10-9 in the top of the 7th.  TLU picked up 4 runs in the 7th.  TLU has been picking up hits deep into the count.

McMurry got to TLU's Besa early and Johnston for McMurry went into the 7th (I believe).

Fielding has been a problem.  McMurry has 4 errors and TLU, 2.

Yager is on the mound for the Bulldogs and faces Voorhees (0-3) to start the inning, then Casey and Jones.  Voorhees, deep fly out to left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 10:30:41 pm
Yager got out of the inning on 0 runs, 1 hit and 1 LOB, in the bottom of the 7th.  McM 10, TLU 9.

In the TLU 8th the leadoff walk to Ryan Nokelby by Grayson Lee.  McM's Hank Casey relieves.  Scott Matocha bunts foul, takes a ball, then bunts foul off his face (ouch), takes a ball, takes a ball, then swigning strike 3, but Nokelby steals second.  Kaase RBI single who advances on the throw home. base   Brade flies to RF with no advance by the runner.   Kaase advances on a passed ball.  Jason Foley out 5-3.
1 run on a walk and a single and 1 LOB.  Tied at 10 going to the bottom of the 8th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 10:41:06 pm
McM-- Joseph Cervantes coaxed a a 2-strike 2-out walk off Yager.  Franco, who had a 2-run homer earlier of Besa is hit by a pitch.  TLU's Coach Miller pulls the pitcher.  2 outs and tied at 10 with runners on 1st and 2nd.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 10:47:49 pm
Coach Miller brings his closer, RHP Robert Conley, to face Derek David.

The sidearm pitcher hits the outside corner, misses on the outside and the inside, hits the outside corner.  2 balls, 2 strikes, 2 on and 2 out, passed ball to fill the count as the runners advance. David walks.  TLU's Catcher Josh Moreno gets the pop foul.  McMurry leaves the bases full.  We go to the ninth tied at 10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 10:58:31 pm
TLU's DH Mat Moore is up.  Voorhees gets the pop fly.  Catcher Moreno is caught looking on an 0-2.  Opheim gets on a bobble by the shortstop, their 5th error of the game. Obanion is the 9th batter in the order.  Opheim steals second, but Obanion strikes out on a bad pitch.  0 Runs, 0 Hits 1 Error and 1 LOB.  McMurry Pitcher Hank Casey leads off the bottom of the 9th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 11:04:33 pm
In the McM 9th, Hank Casey goes down, 4-3.  Lance Jones, 6-3. RF George Whitten, a single to left.  Catcher Thomas Beckham grounds out to end the inning.  0 Runs, 1 Hit, and 1 LOB.  Going to the 10th, tied at 10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 11:18:35 pm
TLU gets 2 runs in the top of the 10th.  The Bulldogs have scored the last 7 runs as their bullpen (Austin Yager and Robert Conley) has shut down the McMurry offense.  TLU leads 12-10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 11:25:02 pm
Conley faces 2B Evan Reece the ninth batter in the order and gets him to strike out after being down 3-0.  Cervantes (at the top of order) gets the infield single.  Franco is out at first.  Derek David grounds out to end the game.

TLU shut down the #3 and #4 batters, no hits tonight.  Final score TLU 12, McM 10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2007, 07:47:34 pm
I just caught the end of the TLU-McM game.

TLU won the first game of the DH 8-5 in extra innings.

TLU's Adam Enloe picked up the complete game victory in the second game by getting the go-ahead run to ground out "3 unassisted" to win the 3-1.

Strong performances by both teams, but it looks like TLU has the inside track from here on out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on March 27, 2007, 05:02:48 pm
Anybody think that UT-Tyler can go through the season undefeated?  I don't think it will happen, but it is definitely an interesting story line to keep track of.  Their series with UT-Dallas should be very exciting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2007, 05:20:05 pm
gccfan, who else on the East is having a good year?

Right now, who are your Top 4 for the tourney, aside from UT-Tyler?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 27, 2007, 07:54:11 pm
gccfan, who else on the East is having a good year?

Right now, who are your Top 4 for the tourney, aside from UT-Tyler?

Didn't ask me, but I'll bite.

The East only has seven teams and with UT Tyler not eligible you're looking at 4 teams of the 6 making it.  Mississippi College isn't playing well, but there's no way that I think they finish below LeTourneau or East Texas Baptist.  LeTourneau's improving and ETBU lost a lot of good players with the ordeal they had last year.

I'll say #1 UT Dallas, #2 La College, #3 Ozarks (surprise), #4 Mississippi College. In the West I never thought I would say that Hardin Simmons wasn't going to make it but they've certainly dug themselves quite a hole and their pitching is a lot weaker than I thought it would be. I'll go with #1. Texas Lutheran, #2 McMurry, #3 Concordia-Austin, #4 Mary-Hardin Baylor.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 28, 2007, 11:07:39 am
Is there any trugh to the rumor that Denver is joining the ASC? I cannot even imagine the travel involved in that roap trip.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 28, 2007, 11:20:51 am
University of Denver?

Wow, I don't know anything inside but I'd be very surprised, considering they just hired Princeton's basketball coach, albeit a possibly about to be canned one.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2007, 12:19:32 pm
Is there any trugh to the rumor that Denver is joining the ASC? I cannot even imagine the travel involved in that roap trip.
I have not heard anything of the like.

University of Denver is a D1 school that won the Frozen Four (http://denverpioneers.cstv.com/ot/05-m-hockey-ncaa-champs.html) in 2005.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2007, 12:22:55 pm
The only UD down here is University of Dallas.  They left the ASC in 2001.

It will take a major re-assessment by UDallas to re-join the ASC.  The completion of the expansion by the SCAC to its current 12-team alignment must have had significant impact inside the UD brain trust.

UDallas added a Phi Beta Kappa chapter, was unable to add club football in 2003, earned a Pool B in basketball in 2004, added women's lacrosse in 2006 and since has tried to raise the profile of its sports.

I am certain that they do not want to go against UT-Tyler in a conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on March 28, 2007, 12:29:30 pm
Ralph, my top four would be the same as Just Some Guy's.  I would like to think that LeTourneau could sneak in, but they just are not deep enough and I just don't know if they can take 2-of-3 from anyone other than ETBU which is what they would need to do to make it.  I like LC better than ozarks because of Grant Wilson.  He is going to beat most teams.  I have not really followed the West much this year and the only team I saw was Howard Payne who I wasn't realy impressed with.

As far as Dallas rejoining, I really don't see that happening unless they would get a new athletic director. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on March 28, 2007, 12:30:23 pm
I have another question?  If UTT was eligible, where do you all think they would be ranked?  I would say they couldn't be lower than 4th right now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2007, 04:33:35 pm
McM 8

UMHB 4-7-2; (2 doubles)

Nick Schafer gets the compete game (7 innings).  Schafer gave up 4 runs in the first inning and then held the Cru scoreless for the rest of the game.  McM scored 6 in the 6th.

Chase Beyrand gets the loss in relief.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2007, 07:22:47 pm
UMHB 15, McM 8;  UMHB scores 12 unanswered runs.

Zack Tumlinson gets the win in relief.

Game 3 tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on April 03, 2007, 10:33:42 am
A change in the LeTourneau schedule.  Their schedule originally had them playing Ozarks Friday and Saturday.  They will be playing on Thursday at 2 and Friday at noon instead.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2007, 02:01:01 am
Texas Wesleyan breaks a 5-5 tie in the top of the 9th to take a 7-5 win (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_local/article/0,1874,ABIL_8006_5462845,00.html).

McMurry goes to the deep bullpen for the game, having played a critical 3-game series against UMHB on Sunday and Monday.  Coach Driggers used 5 pitchers who had only 15 appearances in the previous 28 games.

Texas Wesleyan (http://www.txwes.edu/athletics/news0607/040307bb2.htm) used 3 pitchers who had 45 innings in 31 appearances this year.  Hayden Lackey picked up his 9th save of the year for the Rams.

McMurry has a 3-game series with Schreiner on Thursday and Friday.

TWU improves to 24-4 on the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 05, 2007, 01:30:18 pm
Inspired by a discussion as to awards being given due to merit or team perception from the beginning of the season, I did a little study to see who the most productive pitcher has been in the ASC this season. I ranked all pitchers with more than 40 IP (had to put some limit in, and it seemed reasonable) in the following categories: ERA, K/9, BB/9, K/BB ratio, and HR/9. This was in order to avoid as much as possible the effect defense has on a lot of pitching stats. Points were awarded as 21 (the number of pitchers) for first, 20 for second, etc. Total points determined the rank. Here's the top 5 from each division, with name, team, points, and innings pitched. I'll message the whole list to anyone interested. Oh, and no HPU or SU pitchers were involved as I couldn't get HR info for their pitchers.

EAST
1) R. Campbell, UTT - 100 (51.2)
2) S. Ashley, MC - 86 (49.1)
3) G. Wilson, LC - 78 (45.2)
4) M. Cox, UTD - 63 (49.2)
5) D. Waggoner - 62 (40.0)

WEST
1) J. Miller, CUA - 88 (60.0 - leads ASC)
2) C. Johnston, MCM - 86 (45.2)
3) C. Curry, MCM - 67 (50.2)
4) S. Szkotak, CUA - 66 (55.1)
5) D. Besa, TLU - 54 (45.2)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 05, 2007, 09:02:07 pm
Great stuff! +K

The way you did it, I'm not sure I would have included ERA at all. But it's probably fine. Did K/BB ratio end up looking much the same as a combination of the K/9 and BB/9 would have?

Keep in mind that the pitchers didn't face the same schedules...but nonetheless this is awesome work.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2007, 10:31:07 pm
Schreiner 4-8 McM 3-7.  Single game tomorrow. (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/baseball/News/2007/40507mcmBB.htm)

These losses hurt!  Bad!  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 06, 2007, 12:27:11 am
Lot of shake ups on the West side of the ASC this Thursday.  Schreiner and Hardin-Simmons do their best to keep themselves in the playoff picture. The current #2, #3, and #4 seeds all dropped games today.

Texas Lutheran def. Mary-Hardin Baylor
Schreiner taking two from McMurry
Hardin-Simmons def. Concordia

Any predictions on how the west shakes out Ralph?

In other ASC news UT Tyler remains undefeated shutting out a team averaging what (ten runs per game?) Also. There seems to be an all out battle for those #3 and #4 seeds in the East with LeTourneau taking a game from Ozarks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 06, 2007, 12:30:47 am
Looking at the schedules, I'm not sure that I completely count out Hardin-Simmons yet. If they take another from Concordia tomorrow their final two series are Howard Payne and Sul Ross and it's POSSIBLE they could sweep those two series. Concordia on the other hand has McMurry and a scrappy UMHB team.  It's been fun watching this year with both UMHB and Schreiner being much improved teams and really helping to shake things up in the West. On the last weekend, Concordia vs. UMHB cold have HUGE playoff implications.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2007, 06:38:25 pm
McMurry's Nick Schafer (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/baseball/Results%2007/040607bb.htm) played stopper today.

He gave up one run in 7 innings.  Curry came in to relieve in the bottom of the 8th, trailing 4-1 and got the last 6 outs.  McMurry scored its 5th run in the top of the 9th.

Altho' the box score is a little messed up, why doesn't Curry get a save for coming into a 4-1 game and pitching the last 6 outs of scoreless ball?

Final score: McM 5, Schreiner 1.

McM is now 9-6 in the West.

Schreiner is 6-9.

CUA is 8-7 thru the first game; HSU is 7-7.

I have no predictions!  Those 2 one-run losses really hurt McMurry!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2007, 06:44:11 pm
HSU picks up the first game vs CUA 6-3 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/baseball/cua-32.htm).

HSU 15-4 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/baseball/cua-33.htm) in the nightcap for the sweep!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2007, 07:37:30 pm
UMHB 6-0, TLU 1-10.  TLU wins the series 2 games to one on the split DH.

TLU is 12-2*.  they travel to SRSU next weekend and finish hosting Schreiner.
MHB is 10-5 and (errata) does not own the tie-breaker over McMurry. They host Schreiner and then go to CUA.  (Own tie-breakers: HPU, SRSU, HSU)
McM is 9-6 and host CUA then finish at HPU. (Tie breakers: HSU, SRSU, UMHB)
CUA is 8-7 and go to McMurry then host UMHB. (Tie-breakers: HPU, SRSU, Schr)
HSU is 7-7* and host HPU before going to SRSU. (Tie-breaker: CUA)
Schr is 6-9 and hosts UMHB and TLU.  They must run the table. (Tie-breaker: McM)

Remember the TLU at HSU rain-out!

Let me think about this one!  :-\ ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 06, 2007, 09:14:34 pm
Hardin-Simmons is looking to be in a pretty good spot there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 01:07:59 am
I think 12 wins might end up being the magic number in the West. I think CUA is the team in the most trouble right now. I feel like Schreiner could steal one from TLU, but that they the likelihood of them (TLU) not getting 16 conference wins is VERY slim... they're in. I have to believe that HSU wins at least 5 of their remainding six and finishes 12-8. I think UMHB's sweep of HSU will get them in. Even if they only win 3 of their remaining 6 they're 13-8 which should be fine. I don't believe McMurry will do any worse than splitting their remaining 6 either leaving them at 12-9. CUA has a tough McMurry team on the road before hosting a pretty offensively talented UMHB team. (Speaking of which, why didn't Pearce throw this weekend?) If Concordia splits, 11-10 won't get them in.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2007, 12:49:25 pm
I think 12 wins might end up being the magic number in the West. I think CUA is the team in the most trouble right now. I feel like Schreiner could steal one from TLU, but that they the likelihood of them (TLU) not getting 16 conference wins is VERY slim... they're in. I have to believe that HSU wins at least 5 of their remainding six and finishes 12-8. I think UMHB's sweep of HSU will get them in. Even if they only win 3 of their remaining 6 they're 13-8 which should be fine. I don't believe McMurry will do any worse than splitting their remaining 6 either leaving them at 12-9. CUA has a tough McMurry team on the road before hosting a pretty offensively talented UMHB team. (Speaking of which, why didn't Pearce throw this weekend?) If Concordia splits, 11-10 won't get them in.

I think that you are right about 12 wins.

McMurry is fighting to host the first round!  With UMHB owning the tie-breaker, they are effectively 1 1/2 games behind UMHB.    MY Bad!  McMurry won the UMHB series 2 games to 1.  Therefore, UMHB is only a "3/4" game lead of McMurry.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 10:10:51 pm
With only two series left who is beginning to emerge as the ASC Player of the Year? Pitcher of the Year?

Recall that Preseason was Brad Coleman (HSU) and Dalton Rucker (HSU) for the West and Clay Copeland (UTT) and Andrew Cantrell (ETBU).

I'll toss some names out to get some discussion going. Quite a few more than I would probably legitimately consider, but figured it wouldn't hurt to spark the dicussion and see if we couldn't get most of the teams represented in some fashion.

Player EAST:
SS Kendall Fox (UTT)
1B Brett Amyx (UTT)
2B Brett Rosen (UTD)
CF Mitch Elliott (UTD)
SS Jody Britt (MISS)
OF John Glenn (Ozarks)

Pitcher EAST:
I guess you could mention Finnell (Ozarks) and G. Wilson (La College) here, but I don't know that you could justify not picking either SP Ryan Campbell (UTT) or RP Nate Jennings (UTT)

Player WEST:
DH Taylor Gibbs (HSU)
OF Michael Simpson (HSU)
SS Jacob Kaase (TLU)
1B Brent Vorhees (McM)
2B Weston Franco (McM)
OF Jeremiah Kester (Schreiner)
1B Steven Reinlie (UMHB)
OF Joseph Villegas (UMHB)
C/2B Adam Froeschl (UMHB)

Pitcher WEST:
Daniel Besa (TLU)
Robert Conley (TLU)
Adam Enloe (TLU)
Colton Hermes (Schreiner)
Nick Schaffer (McM)
Jonathon Miller (CUA)
Matt Aubry (CUA)

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 09, 2007, 01:28:41 am
UT-TYler swept UTD this last weekend, and all the games were won rather handily.  THe final game was 11-8, but was never as close as the score indicates.

Watch out for UTT next season, i know they have quite a few seniors this year but they will reload.  Pay attention, if u look at their roster, to how many players are transfers from junior colleges.  Juco talent can come in and fill some holes in a big hurry, and Vilade is good at getting that type of player.

Also, on a little side note I have noticed that 85-90% of the players for UTT come from the dallas metroplex area.  Obviously there is talent abound in a city that large in Texas, but all these guys coming out to Tyler to play baseball has to be upsetting and disheartening for Dallas area D3 schools like UTD, and UDallas.  Id imagine that they are tired of hearing "Sorry coach, but I've already committed to play for UTTyler next season."

Remaining conference schedule for UTT is 3 vs LeTU and 3 vs LC.  WIth the weak nonconference schedule, there is a good chance that UTTyler can finish the season undefeated.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2007, 08:26:31 pm
...
Also, on a little side note I have noticed that 85-90% of the players for UTT come from the dallas metroplex area.  Obviously there is talent abound in a city that large in Texas, but all these guys coming out to Tyler to play baseball has to be upsetting and disheartening for Dallas area D3 schools like UTD, and UDallas.  Id imagine that they are tired of hearing "Sorry coach, but I've already committed to play for UTTyler next season."
...
tloc, you bring up several comments in that post.

Yes there is talent in Dallas, but the need only to find the best 6-8 baseball players per year is all that UT-Tyler seeks.

There is a big difference between UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler.

There used to be an old Texas joke that a student flunked out of school A and enrolled in school B and raised the academic standing in both schools.  It is not too preposterous to apply that to UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler.

The questions about Tyler include:

what is the nature of their financial aid profiles?  Is the "state money" making it prohibitive to recruit against UT-Tyler?

how do the admission profiles compare between UT-Tyler and the other members of the ASC?

what is the financial commitment from the UT system to UT-Tyler?  Does it match the mission and vision of the ASC?  Or is it more like UT-Permian Basin or schools in the Texas A&M System like Commerce, Kingsville and West Texas A&M?

There is a huge difference between UDallas, a "Catholic University for Independent Thinkers" with its Phi Beta Kappa Chapter and liberal arts curriculum, and UT-Tyler.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 09, 2007, 11:00:03 pm
definately a huge difference in the admissions standards between UDallas and UTT, there is no questioning that.  UTD and UTT are similar.  UTD is more an engineering school whereas UTT is more nursing and business.  I think that UTD has slightly stricter academic standards and may be a more difficult school, but it isnt by much.  Its certainly not like comparing UD and UTT, thats for sure.

Differences aside, i know that these schools recruit the same type of players.  The fact that there is alot of competition between them and that one school seems to get a majority of those players still has to be frustrating to the other coaches.  Thats all im really saying.   Upon rechecking the roster i found that my "85-90%" was way off.  Its more like 80% of the starters.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 10, 2007, 07:52:34 am
UT Dallas
25th percentile -- SAT math 590, SAT critical reading 550, ACT comp 24
75th percentile -- SAT math 690, SAT critical reading 670, ACT comp 29

UT Tyler
25th percentile -- SAT math 480, SAT critical reading 470, ACT comp 20
75th percentile -- SAT math 580, SAT critical reading 570, ACT comp 25

University of Dallas
25th percentile -- SAT math 540, SAT critical reading 560, ACT comp 24
75th percentile -- SAT math 650, SAT critical reading 690, ACT comp 29

A darned useful site for this sort of thing...
http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/

I just looked these up...I didn't have any idea about any of the schools.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2007, 08:26:33 am
UT Dallas
25th percentile -- SAT math 590, SAT critical reading 550, ACT comp 24
75th percentile -- SAT math 690, SAT critical reading 670, ACT comp 29

UT Tyler
25th percentile -- SAT math 480, SAT critical reading 470, ACT comp 20
75th percentile -- SAT math 580, SAT critical reading 570, ACT comp 25

University of Dallas
25th percentile -- SAT math 540, SAT critical reading 560, ACT comp 24
75th percentile -- SAT math 650, SAT critical reading 690, ACT comp 29

A darned useful site for this sort of thing...
http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/

I just looked these up...I didn't have any idea about any of the schools.
Thanks, Spence. +1 for the reference!

If that means that a student can be in the top one-quarter of the class at UT-Tyler versus the bottom one-quarter of the class at UT-Dallas or UDallas, then that difference is very big in terms of the academic aid program that the student-athlete can get relative to his/her peers.  Perhaps he/she is getting an "academic" scholarship that defers much of the tuition at UT-Tyler.  UT-Dallas cannot do that.  Coach Vilade is certainly a veteran at identifying students whose testing criteria fit nicely into those parameters and have an 88-92 MPH fast ball and .425 high school batting average as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 10, 2007, 11:06:12 pm
April 10 final.


Texas Tech  17

HSU   6

Long time since the Cowboys and Red Raiders tangled.  (Both teams had "rain-outs" so decided to play each other.)  Keeping in shape for the Yellow Jackets.   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on April 11, 2007, 11:18:00 am
Without having seen UTT or UTD this year I can really only talk about the Best of the Rest in the East.  LC's Grant Wilson was the best pitcher I saw, definitely better than Finnell.  However, I would definitely vote for a UT-Tyler P to win.  Offensively, Kendall Fox has had an awesome year, granted he is in a great lineup, but he seems to be the table setter.  An underrated guy this year is Trent Elizondo from UTD, he just keeps on hitting.  I think as a sophomore me was the East player of the year.  He hasn't gotten any worse and isn't really even a thought in the MVP poll.  I think this shows how the strength of the conference has improved a lot in the last few years.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 11, 2007, 01:52:53 pm
Pitcher WEST:
Daniel Besa (TLU)
Robert Conley (TLU)
Adam Enloe (TLU)
Colton Hermes (Schreiner)
Nick Schaffer (McM)
Jonathan Miller (CUA)
Matt Aubry (CUA)

I think Miller deserves a good long look for this. Last I checked, he led the league in both strikeouts and IP (meaning that lineups are seeing him 3-4 times a game, and still whiffing), and he's been crazy stingy with walks for a strikeout guy.

Aubry...he's done a good job closing out games for us, and he has the potential to be a shut-down reliever, IMO, but I just don't think giving the Pitcher of they Year award to a 25-30 inning pitcher is a good idea. It's too easy to post good numbers due to luck/small sample size.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 11, 2007, 02:53:15 pm
Round 2 of the pitcher rankings. I swapped WHIP for K/BB, since using K/BB with K/9 and BB/9 was rewarding pitchers for the same thing twice. Also, since there are now around 30-40 pitchers with 40+ IP, the points changed to 20 for 1st on down until 0 points for everyone below 20th place in a stat. All the pitchers were ranked together, so you can see an ASC-wide ranking. Now, the top 10's from each division.

ASC West
J. Miller, CUA - 72 (67.0 IP)
C. Johnston, MCM - 65 (54.0)
A. Enloe, TLU - 56 (45.2)
N. Schafer, MCM - 49 (50.2)
C. Curry, MCM - 47 (52.2)
S. Szkotak, CUA - 46 (61.0)
R. Garza, UMHB - 45 (46.2)
M. Otero, SRSU - 22 (51.0)
D. Besa, TLU - 20 (51.2)
E. Morrison, CUA - 18 (54.1)

ASC East
R. Campbell, UTT - 92 (60.2)
B. Booher, UTT - 74 (44.0)
S. Ashley, MC - 72 (50.1)
B. Holland, UTT - 65 (40.1)
G. Wilson, LC - 57 (52.2)
R. Finnell, UO - 35 (44.0)
T. Williams, MC - 35 (42.1)
M. Cox, UTD - 31 (56.1)
T. Koch, UO - 29 (45.0)
D. Waggoner, UTD - 24 (43.2)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 11, 2007, 05:32:18 pm
Elizondo from UTD has been a good hitter for them for a few years now.  I dont know if he has won any awards like player of the year, but he certainly deserves some recognition and consideration because he is the anchor of that lineup.

Nice info about the 3 schools' academics by the way.  Those are standardized tests and dont necessarily give exact information upon the intelligence of individual students, but since every school uses those exams in some way to evaluate potential students they are relevent numbers.

Ive heard UT-T is starting to become more picky about the students they accept also.  This is a recent thing, and probably the result of information similar to what Spence found.  I cannot speak for UTD or UD because I am relatively unfamiliar with each school, but UTT recently (within the last decade or so) switched from a graduate only school to a full undergrad program.  I think the low admission standards reflect the goal of the university to grow.  UTT is the fastest growing UT school by enrollment percentage.  Now that the university is growing at a satisfactory rate, I would not be suprised to see UTT begin to apply more strict admissions standards, probably very similar to the standards set by other UT system schools.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 12, 2007, 11:34:56 am
Elizondo from UTD has been a good hitter for them for a few years now. 

Yeah, but (and this is an honest question) how many have been singles? I understand he's been hitting in the .350-.370 range or so since he showed up, but here's the thing.

Would you rather have someone who hit .370/.400/.450 (AVG/OBP/SLG) or someone who hit .300/.410/.550. The first guy is all singles, which has its value to be sure, but the other guy (not someone I have in mind, just a hypothetical player) has good plate vision and discipline and hits for power in addition to a good average. Batter #2 is the better one, IMO.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2007, 01:55:41 pm
Well you probably know about OPS (OBP+SLG).

Here's something I like better. From hardballtimes.com (it's on wikipedia too I think)

Gross Production Average, a variation of OPS, but more accurate and easier to interpret. The exact formula is (OBP*1.8+SLG)/4, adjusted for ballpark factor. The scale of GPA is similar to BA: .200 is lousy, .265 is around average and .300 is a star. (Note: This is for MLB.)

Basically some folks did some figuring on how much OPS underemphasized OBP and came up with 1.8 for a number. The division by 4 is simply to get a number that corresponds better to batting average as a reference point.

You can do it more quickly in your head by doubling OBP and just not dividing by 4. Then you just have to know that rather than undervaluing OBP by 80%, you're now overvaluing it by about 10% if the work the stat is based on was accurate.

I like it. Don Schaly actually used to compute OBP as a function of the total times on base, be it by error or whatever other way you can get on base that doesn't cost your team an out. His thinking was if you're on base, you're a potential run however you got there. Maybe it was because of a mistake by the other team, but it's a mistake that putting the ball in play enabled. GPA doesn't do that exactly, but it does reinforce the importance of getting on base. Players who draw walks and don't strike out a lot do something else important...increase pitch counts.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 12, 2007, 05:53:02 pm
I never heard of that, and I'm on Baseball Prospectus whenever I can manage it. I'd thought that for a while about OPS though, since it over-emphasizes sluggers. If I had better data to work with (namely, a complete and utter lack of positions in the StatCrew-generated reports), I'd do a work-up of positional rankings based on offensive production, but without position information for everyone with, say, 100+ AB, I can't do it properly.

My personal favorite as far as all-in-one hitting stats goes is BaseRuns, but I don't recall who came up with that off-hand.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2007, 06:48:12 pm
NO way in the world I'm taking the time to do BaseRuns for anyone.

OPS' value is that it's quick; GPA is not quite as quick but still pretty easily estimated (2xOBP + SLG).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 13, 2007, 01:46:33 pm
I did BaseRuns per plate appearance for every hitter with 100+ AB's (excepting HPU and SU, due to lack fo pertinent data) in less than an hour. It helped that I already had a spreadsheet I could use for it. I'll update it after this weekend's games and post an overall top 10 regardless of position.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 01:49:43 pm
You're a better, or perhaps just more bored, man than I. :)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 13, 2007, 01:52:04 pm
more bored, or at least more easily.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 13, 2007, 05:33:44 pm
I believe in elizondo's case he is a power threat.  Id have to look up his stats to confirm that however.

On the flip side, the UTT player Kendall Fox is not a power guy.  He has a ton of walks.  He is a singles and doubles guy and a table setter for the bigger bats of Amex and co. that come later in the lineup.  Copeland and Goss are very similar hitters to Fox.  Both draw alot of walks and for the most part are single and double guys.

So if you are doing hitter of the year i guess its really your choice of whether you want to put more emphasis on power numbers or average. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 13, 2007, 10:32:48 pm
HSU 2

HPU 1

April 13, 2007
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 15, 2007, 11:53:30 am
ASC Standings

EAST:
UT Tyler 14-0
UT Dallas 11-4
Ozarks 7-7
LA College 7-7
Mississippi 6-9
LeTourneau 3-11
ETBU 4-14

WEST:
TX Lutheran 14-3
UMHB 13-5
McMurry 11-7
Hardin Simmons 10-7
Concordia 9-9
Howard Payne 7-11
Schreiner 6-12
Sul Ross 1-17

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 15, 2007, 12:29:21 pm
I believe in elizondo's case he is a power threat.  Id have to look up his stats to confirm that however.

On the flip side, the UTT player Kendall Fox is not a power guy.  He has a ton of walks.  He is a singles and doubles guy and a table setter for the bigger bats of Amex and co. that come later in the lineup.  Copeland and Goss are very similar hitters to Fox.  Both draw alot of walks and for the most part are single and double guys.

So if you are doing hitter of the year i guess its really your choice of whether you want to put more emphasis on power numbers or average. 

I wouldn't call Elizondo a power threat. He has 13 doubles, but only 1 home run. Did Trent deserve a mention? Yeah, probably so, but I couldn't justify putting him on the list when his teammate Brett Rosen is having the better year in my honest opinion.

Elizondo is hitting a ridiculous .456, but Rosen isn't too far behind with .439
Elizondo is slugging .565 to Rosen's .745
Elizondo's OBP is .515, but Rosen's is again close with .480
Rosen has scored 21 more runs, and has 9 more RBIs and 3 more SBs.
I think there's just been more offensive productivity out of Brett Rosen and maybe even Mitch Elliott who is hitting .388, 10 bombs, .729 SLG and 17 SBs
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 17, 2007, 08:22:01 am
Round 2 of the pitcher rankings. I swapped WHIP for K/BB, since using K/BB with K/9 and BB/9 was rewarding pitchers for the same thing twice. Also, since there are now around 30-40 pitchers with 40+ IP, the points changed to 20 for 1st on down until 0 points for everyone below 20th place in a stat. All the pitchers were ranked together, so you can see an ASC-wide ranking. Now, the top 10's from each division.

Any chance we're getting round three of the pitcher rankings before this weekends games?

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 17, 2007, 02:38:50 pm
Probably later this afternoon/evening. I have class in an hour, and when that's done I'm planning on doing those and the BaseRuns rankings. In the meantime, here's a ranking of team speed using a slightly modified version of Bill James' Speed Score formula (formulas?). There are parts relating to SB%, SBA, GDP, R/times on base, and 3B. FYI, league average was 6.85, and it's supposed to give an answer between 1 and 10, with 1 being slowest and 10 being fastest. Remember, this isn't so much the team 40-time or anything, it's a measure more of "baseball speed", if that makes any sense.

1. MC - 8.11
2. UTT - 7.98
3. TLU - 7.85
4. UMHB - 7.48
5. SU - 7.26*
6. UO - 7.23
7. HPU - 7.19*
8. MCM - 6.69
9. LC - 6.45
10. HSU - 6.36
11. UTD - 6.32
12. CUA - 6.28
13. SRSU - 5.92
14. ETBU - 5.89
15. LETU - 5.48

* - I used league average GDP, SH, and SF since those stats weren't available that I could find.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 17, 2007, 02:40:37 pm
I wouldn't call Elizondo a power threat. He has 13 doubles, but only 1 home run. Did Trent deserve a mention? Yeah, probably so, but I couldn't justify putting him on the list when his teammate Brett Rosen is having the better year in my honest opinion.

Well, 13 doubles isn't exactly chopped liver in the power department. Gap power, I believe it's called, has its own value.

That said, Rosen's still having the better year overall, it would appear.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 17, 2007, 05:10:37 pm
Okay, here's round three of the pitcher rankings. I calculated them the same way as last time, with 35 qualifying pitchers. Sul Ross hasn't updated their web site stats since 4/2, by the way.
# Name, School - Points (IP)

ASC East
1. R. Campbell, UTT - 88 (67.2)
2. B. Holland, UTT - 72 (46.1)
3. B. Booher, UTT - 66 (49.0)
4. S. Ashley, MC - 65 (51.1)
5. C. Naquin, LETU - 62 (46.1)
6. G. Wilson, LC - 56 (58.2)
7. R. Finnell, UO - 36 (50.1)
8. T. Brooks, LETU - 34 (40.2)
9. T. Williams, MC - 30 (42.1)
10. T. Koch, UO - 29 (50.1)

ASC West
1. J. Miller, CUA - 58 (72.0)
2. A. Enloe, TLU - 55 (52.2)
3. C. Johnston, MCM - 47 (59.2)
T4. S. Szkotak, CUA - 42 (68.0)
T4. R. Garza, UMHB - 42 (52.2)
6. N. Schafer, MCM - 38 (54.0)
7. B. Pearce, UMHB - 33 (45.0)
8. C. Curry, MCM - 27 (56.2)
9. N. Copeland, HSU - 23 (47.1)
10. M. Otero, SRSU - 18 (51.0)

hitter top 10's to follow
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 17, 2007, 05:18:28 pm
Sorry to have four posts in a row, but when no one else is posting ya can't blame me.  :P

Anyway, here's the top 10 hitters in each division by BaseRuns per plate appearance. There were 75 hitters with 100+ AB's, which was my cutoff point. These are straight, no points or anything. Again, due to lack of pertinent stats there are no HPU or SU hitters on the West side. FYI, BsR/PA means that a hitter's performance at the plate and on the bases is worth x number of runs each time he comes to the plate.
# Name, School - BsR/PA (AB)

ASC East
1. K. Fox, UTT - .368 (112)
2. B. Rosen, UTD - .291 (157)
3. M. Elliott, UTD - .281 (129)
4. T. Elizondo, UTD - .269 (147)
5. B. Amyx, UTT - .265 (116)
6. J. Glenn, UO - .260 (143)
7. M. Putman, UTD - .259 (131)
8. J. Jackson, UTD - .258 (140)
9. A. Damewood, UTT - .247 (121)
10. J. Britt, MC - .247 (129)

ASC West
1. J. Kaase, TLU - .294 (127)
2. M. Simpson, HSU - .292 (141)
3. W. Franco, MCM - .285 (128)
4. S. Reinlie, UMHB - .279 (112)
5. B. Voorhees, MCM - .265 (144)
6. T. Gibbs, HSU - .257 (129)
7. D. David, MCM - .254 (147)
8. J. Villegas, UMHB - .251 (125)
9. B. Jacobs, CUA - .213 (141)
10. A. Froeschl - .212 (137)

The average BsR/PA among all 100+ AB hitters was .198.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 17, 2007, 07:37:24 pm
CUAfan,

Thanks for the information.  Don't think your postings have not been read and appreciated. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 18, 2007, 12:41:42 am
Again, due to lack of pertinent stats there are no HPU or SU hitters on the West side.

Do the stats from the conference page not have all the necessary stats you need?

http://americansouthwestconf.org/stats-baseball/srsu.htm
http://americansouthwestconf.org/stats-baseball/hpu.htm

I really enjoyed the stats you've provided as well. IF I had a vote my ASC East MVP would be Fox or Rosen, West MVP, Kaase or Simpson.... East Pitcher Campbell, and West pitcher Miller or Enloe. With the exception of Campbell as pitcher of the year in the East, I think the voters have some really tough decisions on their hands this year.  You could make a case for both guys in each scenario.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 18, 2007, 11:00:24 am
For hitters, the conference pages don't have GDP, SH, or SF.

For pitchers, the conference pages don't have HR allowed.

Why this is, I don't know. It could, perhaps, be an idiosyncrasy of the conference-level version of the stat software. Of course, if HPU and Schreiner would just have their own stat reports on their website instead of linking to the conference pages it wouldn't be a problem. :P

BTW, Sul Ross I have everything for.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 21, 2007, 02:35:11 pm
Everyone sleeping...???

No postings since April 18!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 21, 2007, 08:09:05 pm
Friday Scores:

Concordia 8 - UMHB 2
Hardin Simmons 13 - Sul Ross 1
McMurry 7 - Howard Payne 6
Texas Lutheran 5 - Schreiner 2
UT Dallas 12 - LeTourneau 0
LA College 9 - UT Tyler 2 (first loss of the year for the Patriots)
Ozarks 15 - Miss College 5

Hardin Simmons and Concordia battling for the final playoff spot, but HSU is in the drivers seat going tinto Saturday's games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 21, 2007, 08:16:42 pm
Well... Just saw where Hardin Simmons swept Sul Ross winning 10-0 and 8-2 today to finish ASC play with a 13-7 record, reeling off 12 straight wins after starting 1-7. Concordia will be the odd team out.  HSU will likely be the #4 seed and play #1 seed from the East, UT Dallas next weekend in Dallas. Seems as though HSU is back on track and finally has a starting rotation they like. Rucker has thrown well his last three starts, and this is a dangerous team that UTD can't take for granted.

Also, McMurry sweeps Howard Payne 6-2, 15-4 and could move into the #2 seed in the West depending on the outcome of the Concordia/UMHB double header today.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 21, 2007, 08:30:17 pm
Concordia 3 - UMHB 1
UMHB 4 - Concordia 3

WEST
Texas Lutheran ???
McMurry 14-7 (def. UMHB 2 of 3)
UMHB 14-7
Hardin Simmons 13-7

Concordia 11-10

EAST
UT Dallas 14-4
Ozarks 10-8
La College ???
Miss College 7-11

1st Round Playoff Matchups:

#1E UT Dallas vs. #4W Hardin Simmons
#1W Texas Lutheran vs. #4W Mississippi College
#2E Ozarks vs. #3W Mary Hardin Baylor
#2W McMurry vs. #3E Louisianna College

I am pretty sure this is correct.

Any predictions?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2007, 11:06:19 pm
My predictions:

TLU, McM, UMHB advance easily.

UT-D has to go 3 games to beat HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 22, 2007, 02:10:16 pm
I agree with Ralph Turners prediction. The east is just not that strong this year and without UT Tyler 3 of their 4 teams do not match well with the west. UT Dallas is stronger than some might give them credit for and they could make it to the finals but they will not be the conference champ. Have to go with TL again this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2007, 03:33:46 pm
I agree with Ralph Turners prediction. The east is just not that strong this year and without UT Tyler 3 of their 4 teams do not match well with the west. UT Dallas is stronger than some might give them credit for and they could make it to the finals but they will not be the conference champ. Have to go with TL again this year.

We have a different set of playoff series with UT-Tyler active.

UT-Tyler hosts HSU  --  might be a really good series, whether 2 games or three
UT-Dallas hosts UMHB -- UT-Dallas is pushed to win in 3.

Ozarks goes to McM -- McM probably handles them in 2
LaCollege goes to TLU -- TLU in 2.

I am saying that the seedings hold with those brackets. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 23, 2007, 06:58:49 pm
Alright, ladies, gentlemen and baseball fans. With the end of the regular season, here's a set of pitcher, hitter, speed, and team defense rankings for your reading pleasure. Some notes...pitchers were ranked by Defense-Independent Component ERA (DICE)...HPU and SU hitters and pitchers were included this time, as I used the per IP/AB from everyone else to give them a reasonable number where I lacked data...the speed rankings are a modified (out of necessity) Bill James Speed Score...team defense is by Defensive Efficiency, or the percentage of balls in play that were turned into outs (HPU and SU not ranked, due to lack of data).

Pitchers
ASC East
1. R. Campbell, UTT - 1.82 DICE (72.1 IP)
2. S. Ashley, MC - 2.53 (71.1)
3. B. Booher, UTT - 2.74 (58.0)
4. T. Williams, MC - 2.78 (54.1)
5. C. Naquin, LC - 2.78 (46.1)
6. B. Holland, UTT - 2.81 (51.1)
7. M. Cox, UTD - 3.04 (71.1)
8. G. Wilson, LC - 3.12 (58.2)
9. T. Kaminski, LETU - 3.58 (53.2)
10. D. Waggoner, UTD - 3.63 (55.1)

ASC West
1. Jonathan Miller, CUA - 2.53 (81.0)
2. A. Enloe, TLU - 3.05 (61.2)
3. R. Garza, UMHB - 3.31 (58.2)
4. C. Johnston, MCM - 3.35 (59.2)
5. J. Davies, HPU - 3.54 (80.0)
6. S. Szkotak, CUA - 3.63 (75.0)
7. H. Casey, MCM - 3.79 (40.1)
8. L. Hull, TLU - 3.82 (44.0)
9. N. Schafer, MCM - 3.89 (54.0)
10. B. Pearce, UMHB - 3.92 (50.0)

Hitters
ASC East
1. K. Fox, UTT - .348 BsR/PA (126 AB)
2. J. Jackson, UTD - .287 (153)
3. B. Rosen, UTD - .282 (170)
4. M. Elliott, UTD - .276 (141)
5. J. Glenn, UO - .262 (155)
6. T. Elizondo, UTD - .260 (160)
7. M. Putman, UTD - .258 (143)
8. B. Amyx, UTT - .255 (132)
9. A. Damewood, UTT - .246 (136)
10. A. Teaster, UO - .239 (102)

ASC West
1. M. Simpson, HSU - .294 (156)
2. W. Franco, MCM - .275 (137)
3. S. Reinlie, UMHB - .266 (123)
4. D. David, MCM - .260 (156)
5. J. Kester, SU - .252 (143)
6. B. Voorhees, MCM - .252 (154)
7. J. Villegas, UMHB - .249 (136)
8. J. Kaase, TLU - .249 (143)
9. T. Gibbs, HSU - .233 (144)
10. D. Ruth, HSU - .227 (118)

Speed
ASC East
1. M. Elliott, UTD - 10.95
2. B. Rosen, UTD - 10.57
3. K. Fox, UTT - 8.89
4. A. Teaster, UO - 8.57
5. W. Reed, MC - 8.38
6. J. Britt, MC - 8.31
7. A. Damewood, UTT - 8.29
8. D. Smith, UO - 8.15
9. H. Brown, MC - 8.10
10. M. Parks, MC - 7.95

ASC West
1. K. Black, HPU - 11.00
2. M. Volz, UMHB - 10.47
3. J. Huizar, SU - 10.13
4. J. Villegas, UMHB - 9.67
5. J. Cervantes, MCM - 9.66
6. P. Mercer, CUA - 9.62
7. R. Kunz, HPU - 8.07
8. R. Pounds, CUA - 7.93
9. J. Kaase, TLU - 7.74
10. J. Kester, SU - 7.72

Team Defense
ASC East
1. Texas-Tyler - .698
2. Ozarks - .674
3. Texas-Dallas - .655
4. Louisiana College - .648
5. LeTourneau - .644
6. Mississippi College - .643
7. East Texas Baptist - .640

ASC West
1. Texas Lutheran - .672
2. Concordia-Austin - .667
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor - .664
4. McMurry - .646
5. Hardin-Simmons - .634
6. Sul Ross State - .607
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on April 26, 2007, 09:00:23 pm
Okay guys, I have to admit it.  I did get a huge smile on my face when Miller got ASC pitcher of the week last week!  I'm really glad he did well his last game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 27, 2007, 01:09:24 pm
It's a pity that missing the conference tourney will probably cost the nation's strikeout leader the ASC West pitcher of the year award.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 27, 2007, 06:26:53 pm
It's a pity that missing the conference tourney will probably cost the nation's strikeout leader the ASC West pitcher of the year award.

Maybe, maybe not. It's a tough argument to make either way.

Miller - YR: 3.89, 5-2, 81.0 IP, 86 H, 16 BB, 102 Ks, .270 avg against
Enloe - YR: 2.77, 6-1, 61.2 IP, 52 H, 21 BB, 41 Ks, .228 avg against

In conference play Enloe is 5-0 w/ a 1.62 ERA and .191 avg against (both 1st in conference). He never gave up more than 3 ER in a conference start.

In conference play Miller is 3-1 w/ pretty lack luster starts against McMurry and Schreiner. He's not in the top 10 in opponents average or in ERA. I couldn't find stats for Miller so I tried to calculate them myself and I believe his conference ERA was 4.29 and avg against was .286

Has he had a successful year? There's no doubt about it.  He has been a workhorse for Concordia and he leads the nation in Ks (while keeping his walks really low), but he has been hittable at times. I take my hat off to Miller because he's had a great year, but in my honest opinion Adam Enloe is the ASC West Pitcher of the Year even if CUA does make the playoffs.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 27, 2007, 07:04:27 pm
 UT Dallas 4 - Hardin Simmons 0  (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/042707aaa.html)

 Texas Lutheran 6 - Mississippi College 5  (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics?newsid=782)

 Ozarks 8 - Mary Hardin Baylor 7  (http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/baseball/news/news_story.asp?iNewsID=1774&strBack=%2Fathletics%2Fbaseball%2Fnews%2Fnews%5Farchive%2Easp)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 27, 2007, 09:04:52 pm
Through 5, McMurry is up 4-1 over La College.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2007, 09:57:28 pm
McMurry 5, LaCollege 3.  Johnson gets the win; Kyle Martin gets the save.

All four home teams win.

I thought that UMHB would beat UOzarks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 02:30:55 pm
UMHB 4 UOz 3.  Game three on UMHB webcast beginning about 1:50pm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 04:38:21 pm
I went by the UT-Dallas field about 3pm and there was no one there.

UT-D won the series in 2 games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 04:41:42 pm
McMurry 14, LaCollege 4.  McM plays UT-Dallas in Richardson next Friday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 05:50:28 pm
UMHB leads UOz 11-9, but the Eagles have runners on second and first with #3 UOz batter up and no outs.  Cameron bunts the runners ahead.  Robby Finnell, #4 batter (clean-up) in the lineup.  Fennell hits a 3-run HR to go with his Grand Slam in the first inning.  He has 50 RBI this season.  UOz leads 12-11 as we go to the bottom of the 7th inning. (UMHB is the home team in this game.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 05:54:52 pm
TLU and Miss College have gone to the third game.

TLU leads 14-5 in the top of the 7th inning.

TLU's Newman struggled with his control in 1st and 4th inning.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 06:14:39 pm
UOzarks 13, UMHB 11 with the CRU batting in the bottom of the 8th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 06:34:46 pm
Ozarks adds one in the top of the 9th and leads 14-11.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 06:51:17 pm
UOz 14, UMHB 12 in the final game.

UOz to the tourney and probably play TLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 06:53:25 pm
Final score from Seguin, TLU 17-6.  TLU wins the series, 2-1.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 28, 2007, 10:38:40 pm
So we have:

UT Dallas vs. McMurry (McMurry won the season series 2-1)
Texas Lutheran vs. Ozarks (TLU won the season series 3-0)



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 28, 2007, 11:25:58 pm
Well, HSU is out for baseball, but they've had a good week (and year) overall...winning ASC Championships in softball, men's/women's tennis and in the running for baseball, men's/women's golf.  (HSU was the only ASC school in all six events!)  Add championships in volleyball and men's/women's soccer...very decent football/basketball teams...and it is difficult to complain...for the year in college sports at HSU!

Come on 2007 football...go Cowboys!  Thanks to all the seniors in all the sports...and good luck in life!

Proud to be a COWBOY!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2007, 01:06:49 am
Okay, McMurry won women's cross country, finished second to 4th year Provisional UT-Tyler in Men's Cross Country, tied for first in the ASC West in Men's Hoops, earned a Pool C bid in women's hoops, won Men's and Women's Track.

They are still in the running for baseball.

The Swimming teams finished 4th of 10 for the men and 6th of 13 for the women in their conference.  (Oh yeah, you Baptists don't do that "mixed bathing" thing.  ;)  :D )

The Men's Cross Country team was named Academic All-American.

We finished second in Men's golf and third in women's Golf to Texas Lutheran.

The men send an especially strong contingent to the Nationals in Track.
I am hoping for a Top 10 finish.

Just a little competition in Abilene, isn't there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 29, 2007, 06:56:57 am
RT...Ha!  Five (5) sports in which McM excelled, HSU does NOT even participate! ;D  So, those were "gimmees." ;)

Wait until 2007-2008 when HSU starts track/field/cross country! :)  (Get ready!)

And swimming?  :'(   We'll give you swimming as long as you keep letting us win in football...what is it now...14 years in a row?  ;D  (Don't forget we Baptists invented the immersion technique...  :-\  ...so, we may enter the swimming thingie, if the urge is ever strong enough!  :D  ) ...and we can find that much water!

Yes,  ASC competition is alive in Abilene!  BTW, our Band marches faster and we have horses!   8)

Still "purple and gold" proud!  8)

Ralph, have a great summer and thanks for all you do (for the ASC and D III in general)...great to have you aboard!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 30, 2007, 12:59:47 pm
Miller - YR: 3.89, 5-2, 81.0 IP, 86 H, 16 BB, 102 Ks, .270 avg against
Enloe - YR: 2.77, 6-1, 61.2 IP, 52 H, 21 BB, 41 Ks, .228 avg against

In conference play Enloe is 5-0 w/ a 1.62 ERA and .191 avg against (both 1st in conference). He never gave up more than 3 ER in a conference start.

In conference play Miller is 3-1 w/ pretty lack luster starts against McMurry and Schreiner. He's not in the top 10 in opponents average or in ERA. I couldn't find stats for Miller so I tried to calculate them myself and I believe his conference ERA was 4.29 and avg against was .286

A) ERA, hits, and average against are both defense-dependent. Even Johan Santana would give up a lot of hits and runs if he had a Jason Giambi at every position. Besides, the earned/unearned thing is meaningless really, since they count the same on the scoreboard.

B) W/L record is a TERRIBLE way to evaluate pitchers. You can give up 10 in five innings, but if your offense gets 11 you still get the win (assuming no other scoring). Frankly, you can stink to high heaven and still have a good W/L record. Not that Enloe stinks, just an example.

A proper evaluation takes into account only those things which a pitcher directly controls, namely strikeouts, walks, and home runs allowed. The DICE (Defense-Independent Component ERA) rankings above take only those factors into account, and they say that Miller's better. I bet if you could stick Miller in front of the TLU defense that he'd have an ERA under 2.77. He strikes out more batters, walks fewer (as I recall), and is about the same in HR/9.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2007, 01:29:35 pm
Texas Lutheran F% = .953
Concordia F% = .957

Is Texas Lutheran really that much better defensively? So much so that Miller's conference ER average would be 2.5 pts lower and opponents would be hitting 0.090 pts less off of him.  I just don't think so.

I agree with your point about W/L, but definitely disagree that ER/Unearned runs are essentially one in the same.

Also, perhaps Miller's desire to strike so many batters out has him working deeper into counts, and working from behind in the count in order to induce a strike out.  That scenario would lead to him giving up more hits and having a significantly higher avg against which is a pretty pertinent category in the argument in my opinion.

If another pitcher is working ahead in the count and getting ground ball outs when they could be getting strikeouts then they have less strike outs, but their defense doesn't get lulled to sleep and maybe they make more plays behind. I'm not saying I'm 100% RIGHT here by any means, just tossing out things to think about.

I mean Greg Maddux was never a power pitcher with ridiculous amounts of K's like Johnson/Schilling type pitcher, but he won some CY-Youngs. UMHB's Bill Pearce strikes out a ton per 9, but that doesn't make him the pitcher of the year.

And the HR given up is a tough one as well.  Enloe has given up quite a few less homeruns than Miller, but Miller also plays in a crackerbox home park where as TLU's field is quite a bit bigger.

The fact that Enloe had 0 ER in 8 IP, with 9 Ks against Mississippi this past weekend won't hurt him either.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 30, 2007, 02:40:48 pm
The East did much better than forcasted. According to Ralph Turner Texas Lutheran, McMurry and Mary Hardin Baylor would make short work of the East and TX Dallas would struggle against Hardin Simmons.  Turns our the that TX Dallas made short work of Hardin Simmons, Ozarks beat Mary Hardin Baylor and TX Lutheran needed 3 games to put away a supposed weak Mississippi College.  Maybee the West isn't that good after all. ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2007, 02:58:47 pm
The East did much better than forecasted. According to Ralph Turner Texas Lutheran, McMurry and Mary Hardin Baylor would make short work of the East and TX Dallas would struggle against Hardin Simmons.  Turns our the that TX Dallas made short work of Hardin Simmons, Ozarks beat Mary Hardin Baylor and TX Lutheran needed 3 games to put away a supposed weak Mississippi College.  Maybe the West isn't that good after all. ::)
Yeah, I know.   :-\  Sometimes the lack of active posters from the East impacts the assessment of quality when it should not.

I will go thru the conference schedule to check the inter-divisional records tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2007, 03:19:29 pm
The East did much better than forcasted. According to Ralph Turner Texas Lutheran, McMurry and Mary Hardin Baylor would make short work of the East and TX Dallas would struggle against Hardin Simmons.  Turns our the that TX Dallas made short work of Hardin Simmons, Ozarks beat Mary Hardin Baylor and TX Lutheran needed 3 games to put away a supposed weak Mississippi College.  Maybee the West isn't that good after all. ::)

Had I predicted I probably would've said Texas Lutheran in 2, McMurry in 2, Ozarks and UMHB a 3 game toss up, and UTD over Hardin Simmons in 3.

I don't think Texas Lutheran dropping the game against Shawn Ashley was that big of a deal. It's no secret that Mississippi turns from a pretty average team to a really solid team with Ashley on the bump. Ashley lost 1-0 to McMurry early in the year without giving up an earned run, UT Tyler beat him, and UT Dallas' potent offensive got to him for 5 ER, but other than that he was pretty stellar.

I suspected McMurry would have a tough game against Grant Wilson and then be in the drivers seat and that's more or less what happened with that series.

Ozarks had played really good baseball down the stretch taking 5 of 6 from La College and Mississippi (losing to Ashley). They're a very scrappy team and they're solid offensively, but I wasn't sure how they'd be on the bump other than Finnell.  Well Finnell only gave up 1 ER, but they lost that game and just out hit UMHB in the other two. Dixon ended up throwing pretty well the first game and had to come back for 3.1 more to beat UMHB.

UMHB shot themselves in the foot when they got themselves in a big hole when Bill Pearce who has struck out 73 and only given up 35 hits in 50 IP, could'nt get out of the first in the final game. I wouldn't have been surprised with either team winning that one. You have to remember that UMHB lost 2 of 3 to TLU, McMurry and Concordia (but swept HSU early when they were looking for pitching). If I was an East team, I would've much rather played them than Hardin Simmons at this point in the season.

As for UTD/Hardin Simmons.  I figured Cox would win game one, but Rucker had seemed to be regaining his old form and it's no secret that the games were probably going to be slug fests after Friday. Maybe he did, maybe UT Dallas' offense is just ridiculously good, but UT Dallas prevailed.  Something in me just thought Simpson/Coleman could carry them to at least 3 games.

I have no idea what to expect from the conference tournament, but I hope the ASC can sneak two teams into the West Regional because it has to be one of the most competitive conferences nation-wide.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2007, 03:25:13 pm
Texas Lutheran:
0-3 UT Tyler
3-0 Ozarks

McMurry:
2-1 UT Dallas
2-1 Mississippi College
0-1 UT-Tyler
1-0 LeTU

UMHB:
1-2 ETBU
0-3 Mississippi College

Hardin Simmons:
2-1 Louisiana College
0-3 UT Dallas

Concordia:
3-0 ETBU
2-1 Ozarks

UT Dallas:
1-2 McMurry
3-0 Hardin Simmons
1-0 Howard Payne

Ozarks:
0-3 Texas Lutheran
1-2 Concordia

Louisiana College:
1-2 Hardin Simmons
3-0 Sul Ross State

Mississippi College:
3-0 UMHB
1-2 McMurry

Moderator's note:  I am modifying Guy's post for other inter-divisional games.  For post-season tourney sake, let's not consider UT-Tyler games.

+1 Guy!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2007, 10:57:58 pm
Dare to take a stab at this weekend Ralph ?

I think McMurry has a good balance and COULD be the team to beat. Yurchick starting has made them a totally different team, and Martin developing as the top bullpen guy has given them an extra arm besides Lee/Casey.

I know that the Ozarks are really scrappy and have swung it really well this year. Dixon and Finnell should be able to keep them close, but are they in the same league as the other three teams?

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2007, 11:52:25 pm
Dare to take a stab at this weekend Ralph ?

I think McMurry has a good balance and COULD be the team to beat. Yurchick starting has made them a totally different team, and Martin developing as the top bullpen guy has given them an extra arm besides Lee/Casey.

I know that the Ozarks are really scrappy and have swung it really well this year. Dixon and Finnell should be able to keep them close, but are they in the same league as the other three teams?

Some_Guy
Guy, I think that you are right about McM.  Martin may be the key to the bullpen.  It is nice to bring in a lefty in the late innings, especially a lefty that can throw strikes.  Martin's stats are 3-0 with 2 saves in 13 appearances  and 23 innings.  He did not see action against TLU in late March.  I reviewed the season stats and found 5 games where using Martin as the closer might have won the game.  Martin appeared in middle relief in a 12-10 extra-inning loss vs. Southwestern and 1 inning in middle relief in a 13-12 10-inning loss versus UT-D.  He did not appear in a 4-3 loss versus Schreiner, a 7-5 loss to Marietta (non-in-region),  the 8-5 extra inning loss versus TLU and the 12-10 extra inning loss to TLU.  If we reverse those 5 losses, McMurry's West Region record goes from 25-14 to 30-9.

Yurchick has been another good find.  In March he played one game vs. TLU and went 1-4.  In that series, TLU won 12-10 in 10 innings, won 8-5 in 10 innings and Enloe beat Shaffer 3-1 in (7-inning) complete game efforts.

That series was too close not to be affected by one clutch player coming thru.

McMurry should be confident, especially if they can get to UT-D in the first game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 01, 2007, 11:19:47 am
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Texas Lutheran F% = .953
Concordia F% = .957

Is Texas Lutheran really that much better defensively? So much so that Miller's conference ER average would be 2.5 pts lower and opponents would be hitting 0.090 pts less off of him.  I just don't think so.

Okay, so maybe I overstated the case a bit. :P Point is, I bet you put Miller on TLU and his defense-dependent stats look better since he'd be playing in more of a pitcher's park. Oh, and defensive efficiency is a better defensive stat that F%.

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I agree with your point about W/L, but definitely disagree that ER/Unearned runs are essentially one in the same.

Not one in the same, no. But when it comes down to determining who wins and loses, it doesn't really matter if a run is earned or unearned. Besides, the hit/error decision is far too subjective for my taste. (side note: anyone else notice that MC apparently never grounded into a double play this year? odd...)

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Also, perhaps Miller's desire to strike so many batters out has him working deeper into counts, and working from behind in the count in order to induce a strike out.  That scenario would lead to him giving up more hits and having a significantly higher avg against which is a pretty pertinent category in the argument in my opinion.

I can't speak to that, really. I know he had quite a few full counts, but he had a lot of three-pitch strikeouts too. Regarding average against, studies have shown that a pitcher's impact on whether or not a batted ball results in an out is negligible at best. Therefore, average against is more of a team defense stat than a pitcher stat. It is somewhat dependent on whether the pitcher in question is a groundball or flyball pitcher, though.

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If another pitcher is working ahead in the count and getting ground ball outs when they could be getting strikeouts then they have less strike outs, but their defense doesn't get lulled to sleep and maybe they make more plays behind. I'm not saying I'm 100% RIGHT here by any means, just tossing out things to think about.

I mean Greg Maddux was never a power pitcher with ridiculous amounts of K's like Johnson/Schilling type pitcher, but he won some CY-Youngs. UMHB's Bill Pearce strikes out a ton per 9, but that doesn't make him the pitcher of the year.

And Johan Santana has, what, one Cy Young? It seems to me that the Cy Young is based as much on perception as anything else. Not to say that Maddux isn't one of the great ones, especially of his generation, but just that Cy Youngs aren't necessarily the best factor to go off of in determining the best pitcher in a given year. Oh, and Pearce isn't pitcher of the year since he walks almost as many as he strikes out (Three True Outcomes, people :P)

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And the HR given up is a tough one as well.  Enloe has given up quite a few less homeruns than Miller, but Miller also plays in a crackerbox home park where as TLU's field is quite a bit bigger.

Yeah, I wish I had the numbers available to do park effect factors to fix that problem, but in the absence of that, straight HR/9 isn't too bad.

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The fact that Enloe had 0 ER in 8 IP, with 9 Ks against Mississippi this past weekend won't hurt him either.

And it ought to be a whole-body-of-work award. And watch, someone else entirely will win it. :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 01, 2007, 01:03:54 pm
Actually what you say about the pitcher not having any effect on balls in play is, at best, cloudy research. Voros McCracken published it to much acclaim but since then it's been picked apart.

Charlie Hough is the best example but far from the only one of a pitcher who has a career BABIP graph consistently below his team's average. Boyd's World has a good article squirreled away somewhere.

Basically, not even McCracken believes what he originally published.

That said, ratios of BB and K are still important, and I would submit that the pitcher has more control over extra-base hits than singles (just empirically), so I tend to look at XBH as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 01, 2007, 02:25:23 pm
Fair enough. Once I read that I recalled reading something to that effect. Selective memory I guess. :P

Still, BABIP is still fairly variable from year-to-year based on factors besides the pitcher himself, as I recall. If I had my Baseball Prospectus 2007 in front of me I'd flip through it to double-check that though. However, I would posit that, generally speaking, BABIP numbers would vary by type of pitcher as follows:

flyball -> groundball -> line drive (lowest -> highest)

but that's just my guess.

For the record, Miller's BABIP this past season was in the .360-.375 range somewhere as I recall. Don't know about Enloe.

In any event, I think we'd all agree that pitchers should be evaluated independently of the defense behind them...it's just how you go about doing that that's tricky.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 01, 2007, 05:54:34 pm
I don't doubt that you did read it. More people read about the original conclusion than the research following it up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 02, 2007, 01:44:49 pm
"I have no idea what to expect from the conference tournament, but I hope the ASC can sneak two teams into the West Regional because it has to be one of the most competitive conferences nation-wide."

As posted by Some_Guy

You hit it out of park with that quote. It has been a long dry spell for the ASC. Its about time the conference recieves some recognition from the north-eastern dominated selection committee.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 02, 2007, 01:46:37 pm
Only way this happens is if Texas Lutheran doesn't win the conference tournament, IMO. UT-Dallas might have a chance at a Pool C, but it's probably a longshot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2007, 02:48:50 pm
Only way this happens is if Texas Lutheran doesn't win the conference tournament, IMO. UT-Dallas might have a chance at a Pool C, but it's probably a longshot.
I agree with Spence.

TLU almost has a Pool C bid.  Everyone else is fighting for a Pool A bid.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on May 02, 2007, 05:07:53 pm
 ;D  I just checked out the Concordia website.  One big happy smile!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 03, 2007, 01:26:42 am
I could write for 30 minutes straight about what a debacle the ASC post-season awards were starting with how Elizondo is POTY but 2nd team OF. Maybe that's a misprint because that doesn't make much sense.  I still completely disagree with the Enloe/Miller argument, but at least I can see the rationale there. Also Colton Hermes (SU) over Joseph Villegas (UMHB) for freshman of the year, garbage.  Also, don't get me started on honorable mentions.  Everyone in the conference ends up with an award by the time you give those out.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 03, 2007, 01:25:13 pm
I don't entirely understand how Miller is Pitcher of the Year when he and Enloe were tied for 1st team All-West.

I think there's a separate ballot for Player of the Year and individual positions (which there kind of has to be, if you think about it), and the same for Pitcher of the Year and starters/relievers.

But I think that if a player gets either one, he ought to, by default, be 1st team at his position. Bump other guys down if you need to, but you have to get rid of the incongruity.

Frankly (and this probably won't surprise anyone :P), I don't like the voting method of determining these things. I would much rather the awards be based on stats in some way. You could keep the honorable mention, but give such nods to everyone who meets a certain benchmark but didn't have a good enough year to earn another award (key word: earn).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2007, 03:49:05 pm
You hit it out of park with that quote. It has been a long dry spell for the ASC. Its about time the conference recieves some recognition from the north-eastern dominated selection committee.

Doesn't seem inappropriately northeastern:

Tom Austin, Methodist College
Al Bean, University of Southern Maine
Lee Driggers, McMurry University
Rick Espeset, Manchester College
Daniel Harris, Milwaukee School of Engineering
John Lonardo, State University College at Old Westbury
John McCloskey, Alvernia College, chair
Greg Wallace, Augustana College
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 03, 2007, 05:00:29 pm
I could write for 30 minutes straight about what a debacle the ASC post-season awards were starting with how Elizondo is POTY but 2nd team OF. Maybe that's a misprint because that doesn't make much sense. 

I was just looking at the awards, thinking about doing some stat comparisons between 1st and 2nd teams, when I noticed something about this.

Elizondo is on the East 1st team...but as a designated hitter.

How one guy (and this happened with a couple CUA guys this year too, maybe others) can be allowed onto the 1st/2nd teams in more than one position is beyond me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2007, 06:35:27 pm
"I have no idea what to expect from the conference tournament, but I hope the ASC can sneak two teams into the West Regional because it has to be one of the most competitive conferences nation-wide."

As posted by Some_Guy

You hit it out of park with that quote. It has been a long dry spell for the ASC. Its about time the conference recieves some recognition from the north-eastern dominated selection committee.
The way the criteria are written, the ASC members have done very little warrant any extra selections.  i have posted my impressions on the Hoops boards about how to get more Pool C bids in basketball and the essence of my recommendations were voted down something like 19-3 with 3 abstentions last month.  No one is listening to me or Pat Coleman!

If you read the handbook, then these things are what the handbook says to do to earn an at-large bid.

Play lots of in-region opponents (outside the ASC) and beat them.

For the Texas schools:
-- that is everybody in OK, KS (there are no D3's in OK and KS at this time), MO, IL, WI westward to California, Oregon and Washington state.
-- Schedule lots of non-confernece games with Austin College, Trinity, Southwestern, Hendrix and UDallas and win them.
-- Make sure to invite a school from IL or WI or IA  or MN down for spring training and beat them.  Those games count in the eyes of the committee for the seeding requirements.
--Remember that D2 and NAIA games do not help in the least.  Only schedule them when you need to fill the middle of the week or need to play some 2nd-stringers or 4th and 5th pitchers.

For Ozarks, LaCollege and Miss College:
--You must beat the Hendrix', the Rhodes, the Rust's, the Millsaps, the Oglethorpes, the Huntingdon's, the LaGrange's , the Maryville's and even the teams from VA, NC, OH, MI and IN.

The other real fact of life for the ASC is that we are so balanced, that we knock each other off.  We would pick up and extra bid if we broke into 2 separate conferences!
   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Shiloh on May 04, 2007, 03:28:01 pm
Do the post-season awards have anything to do with in-conference performance?How does a pitcher get 2nd team with a 9+ ERA. Another pitcher get HM RP when he started 7 games and never pitched an inning in relief (and had only one relief appearance all year)? And West POY goes to the guy with 4+ ERA on a 5th place team, and not the one with 1+ ERA on the 1st place team. Do they even know who they are voting on?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2007, 08:11:25 pm
TLU won in extra innings (?) 8-7 on a hit batsman with the bases loaded.

UT-D beat McMurry 4-3 with two out in the bottom of the 10th, when the runner from third scored on slow high grounder that the Shortstop could not handle in time.

McMurry to play Ozarks at 9 AM tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 05, 2007, 10:47:57 pm
Couldn't believe McMurry even got it to extras with how Cox pitched. A no-hitter broken up by a home run!

McMurry took advantage of the chances they got and made a game of it though. Sounds like two really good ballgames!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2007, 11:02:32 pm
Couldn't believe McMurry even got it to extras with how Cox pitched. A no-hitter broken up by a home run!

McMurry took advantage of the chances they got and made a game of it though. Sounds like two really good ballgames!

Yeah, Cox had a slider that was vicious today.  Westin Franco struck out 3 times but had a homer and RBI-double.

I would have ruled the hit that scored the winning run as an RBI-single.  I didn't think that the SS could have fielded the ball and thrown out a very fleet Matt Kelly in time to end the inning.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2007, 11:42:33 am
McMurry leads Ozarks 7-1 after 6 innings.  McM's Schafer allowed 1 run on 3 hits in the bottom of the first and has scattered 6 hits total.

McMurry is batting in the top of the 7th.  Casey doubles home Franco who walked.  8-1 going to the bottom of the 7th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2007, 12:06:56 pm
McMurry leads 8-1 going to the top of the 9th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2007, 02:37:45 pm
McM 8, UOzarks 1; Final

UTD-TLU scoreless in the UT-D top of the 6th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2007, 08:33:38 pm
TLU edges UT-D 1-0 in the bottom of the 9th.

McMurry comes back to beat UT-D 14-4 (10 run rule) in the bottom of the 8th.

UT-D eliminated.

McMurry must win two from TLU tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 03:03:01 pm
TLU 6, McM 0 in the first game.

Congratulations to the Bulldogs.

I have to say that the mound on the UT-Dallas baseball field must be the highest point in Dallas County!

I though that the TLU starting pitcher adjusted very well to the mound, and McMurry did not jump on him early.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 07, 2007, 04:05:36 pm
I have to say that the mound on the UT-Dallas baseball field must be the highest point in Dallas County!

Given how flat Dallas County is, I suspect the pitchers could have seen virtually all of
southern Oklahoma from the mound (unless, of course, a few bob war fences were in the way) ....  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 04:30:06 pm
I have to say that the mound on the UT-Dallas baseball field must be the highest point in Dallas County!

Given how flat Dallas County is, I suspect the pitchers could have seen virtually all of
southern Oklahoma from the mound (unless, of course, a few bob war fences were in the way) ....  ;)
From that UT-D pitching mound, yep! :D

(Except for all of the 10-story office buildings that have been built between UT-D and the Okie border.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 08, 2007, 04:30:16 pm
And West POY goes to the guy with 4+ ERA on a 5th place team, and not the one with 1+ ERA on the 1st place team. Do they even know who they are voting on?

First off, Enloe had a great year of his own, so don't think I'm discounting his season. I think his season ERA was 2+, not 1+ though.

Secondly, Miller had a 3.89 ERA, 102 K's, and 16 BB's. Do you know who you're talking about? It's not like Enloe got beat out by a bad pitcher.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Shiloh on May 08, 2007, 08:32:56 pm
Actually, I think I do. I'm a fan of the 5th place team anyway. I was only looking at conference game stats. That seemed to make sense for post-season conference awards. My voting remark had more to do with the RP votes for a guy who about never pitched in relief (and never in conference). I was thinking that really was a mistake. I cheered plenty for Miller. There just seemed to be some, if not several, strange award results.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 09, 2007, 01:32:22 pm
I must apologize for my tone in my previous post. I was a little overly aggressive and had no right to be.

Personally, I think that the coaches, hopefully subconsciously, try to work the system to get the most recognition for their players, regardless of who actually deserves X award.

I think the stats for the entire season would be better. The point is to recognize the best pitcher/hitter/whatever in the conference, and their out-of-conference stats are part of that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Shiloh on May 09, 2007, 05:40:56 pm
Fair enough. I'm more bummed about the 5th place finish. Good luck TLU I guess. CUA shouldn't have lost three to them, but we did. Now its the old wait until next year thing.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on May 10, 2007, 12:43:13 am
Yes, good luck...TLU...Go all the way!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:25:37 pm
I really think Miller deserved it. Plus im hearing he is suppose to be drafted this year in the draft. That will make two years in a row that Concordia has someone go in to the minor league system. COngrats to MIller.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:31:25 pm
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2007, 12:49:38 pm
Also what I noticed that is unbelievable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hasn't received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffalo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the regionals.
Tom Landry never was Coach of the Year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 10, 2007, 04:46:11 pm
I really think Miller deserved it. Plus im hearing he is suppose to be drafted this year in the draft. That will make two years in a row that Concordia has someone go in to the minor league system. COngrats to MIller.

Drafted? I hadn't heard that, but it would be great for the program. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he got a free agent deal though. For that matter, so should HSU's Simpson, at the very least.

And don't forget that one Scott Linebrink spent a couple years at CUA before heading to Texas State Southwest Texas. :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 10, 2007, 05:14:35 pm
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

Wow! You put your finger right on it. The anti-Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod conspiracy amongst the ASC coaches rears its ugly head ... again.  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on May 10, 2007, 08:28:26 pm
I really think Miller deserved it. Plus im hearing he is suppose to be drafted this year in the draft. That will make two years in a row that Concordia has someone go in to the minor league system. COngrats to MIller.
  Not that I'm biased or anything, but I'll agree with you!   Now, if I only knew what you knew about him being drafted!  This is all new to me and I'm not sure exactly how the draft process works!  Perhaps you have a crystal ball and can let me know which team is going to draft him and what round!  And, what do you mean go to the minors.  He's going straight to the big show!!!!  LOL :D  In all seriousness, perhaps you can educate me on the process.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on May 10, 2007, 08:36:36 pm
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

Wow! You put your finger right on it. The anti-Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod conspiracy amongst the ASC coaches rears its ugly head ... again.  :o
I don't know how the Coach of the Year is selected, but Gardner is definitely more than that in my books!  He's not only a remarkable coach who is highly respected by his players, he's an all around great man.  I have seen my son mature greatly over the last couple of years and as much as I would like to take the credit, I know that Garnder has had more to do with it than anyone.  I couldn't have asked for my son to have been in any better hands. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Shiloh on May 10, 2007, 09:38:31 pm
I'm a CUA fan and all that, but 5th place is 5th place. When CUA stops being scared to face left handers and stops being scared to go to Seguin, then we can talk about coaching. Just a thought, but from the talent I saw on the field in Seguin, the main difference was coaching. TLU took three that series and they're still going.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 11, 2007, 11:26:19 am
CUA will be ok next season, I think. The only glaring hole will be Miller's spot in the rotation. If they can get a solid guy in that spot without pulling Aubry out of the pen, I wouldn't be suprised at all if they make a good run.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DIIIBaseballFan on May 11, 2007, 11:44:53 am
Rumor has it that the West Regionals will be in TEXAS.

Any information on this.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on May 11, 2007, 11:52:01 am
Not for sure yet but Coach Driggers put a bid in to hold it in Abilene.

What are the chances that UTD gets and at large bid?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 11, 2007, 12:14:01 pm
Indian...pretty good, I think.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 11, 2007, 12:16:33 pm
Rumor has it that the West Regionals will be in TEXAS.

Any information on this.

It would be nice, but then I could not make the 15 minute drive to Chapman to watch the regional. I have watched every regional game at Chapman the past few seasons.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 11, 2007, 02:50:20 pm
Not to take anything away from this years team, but I went to at least 5 or 6 games and its not at all the coaching. THe talent is down from the teams a few years ago. But also when Gardner took over the program in 2001 he brought in almost all JUCO transfers from the Houston area, and had some guys that had no business playing Div 3 baseball. But thats my opinion.

About Miller From what I heard from one of the coaches in mid season it was stated that Miller was going to be possibly drafted.. Im not sure but from who, what I see yeah he could probably get a free agent deal. Ive seen guys get drafted before that you just couldnt beleive would in later rounds so he def. has a chance.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 11, 2007, 02:53:02 pm
The oly downfall about having the regional in Texas is the heat. The West regional we played in 2003 in Georgetown at Southwestern was I beleive in the 100's. But this year should be fine.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 11, 2007, 05:07:11 pm
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

I'm trying to discern how this is pertinent information at all. TLU's Miller wasn't even coach of the year this year. The coach of the year was Wells from UMHB who got them to the playoffs. It had been the same four teams for the last few years.  It's hard to argue with the success Miller has had winning at least 30 games every year for the last 15 years, and 6 of the last 7 ASC West titles. Miller, Driggers, Gardner, and Coleman off have solid track records, and YES Concordia is the only ASC team to make to a Div III world series, but it's hard to argue with the success the Bulldogs have had the last couple of years.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: canpickit on May 11, 2007, 09:14:45 pm
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

I'm trying to discern how this is pertinent information at all. TLU's Miller wasn't even coach of the year this year. The coach of the year was Wells from UMHB who got them to the playoffs. It had been the same four teams for the last few years.  It's hard to argue with the success Miller has had winning at least 30 games every year for the last 15 years, and 6 of the last 7 ASC West titles. Miller, Driggers, Gardner, and Coleman off have solid track records, and YES Concordia is the only ASC team to make to a Div III world series, but it's hard to argue with the success the Bulldogs have had the last couple of years.

Some_Guy

I have been reading and listening to opinions on where the West Regional is going to be played the last couple of days.  With it looking more and more likely that 3 Texas teams are going to get in (TLU, UTD and Austin), I'd say there is at least a 75% chance the regionals will be held at McMurray.  My only feeling is that after looking at the 10 day weather report for Abilene, it looks like rain, thundershowers and more rain non-stop.  I think it would be an ultimate travesty if the regional was in Texas and teams and games were affected by the weather.  I know Chapman has hosted the regionals the last 4 years, but they do a good job running them, the weather is going be perfect (blue skies and high 80's temps), the field is gorgeous, there is plenty of lodging and the school and administration know how to run the thing like the back of their hand.  I think in a year where Chapman will be the #1 seed and weather could be a factor, playing the games in CA makes the most sense.  Also, I think if George Fox makes it, that might play into the picture and the fact maybe Austin gets shipped to the South region if only Millsaps OR Rhodes gets a Pool C.  I don't know, all I do know is that it would be brutal if a West Region team started their ace in a game, and he went 4 and then it started pouring and it altered everything and they couldn't bring that guy back, I think it would affect all 6 or 7 teams drastically.  Anyways, McMurray's stadium is legit and a great place to play, I just think more attention should be paid to weather, who the #1 seed is and logisitics.  I think money is a huge factor as always.  Any thoughts on if weather or Fox or 6 vs 7 team regional will affect location?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 11, 2007, 09:26:06 pm
It's more likely it would be at McMurry than McMurray.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 11, 2007, 09:27:42 pm
And I doubt they would make a decision based on weather reports. How reliable are they again?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 11, 2007, 09:39:45 pm
I have been reading and listening to opinions on where the West Regional is going to be played the last couple of days.  With it looking more and more likely that 3 Texas teams are going to get in (TLU, UTD and Austin), I'd say there is at least a 75% chance the regionals will be held at McMurray.  My only feeling is that after looking at the 10 day weather report for Abilene, it looks like rain, thundershowers and more rain non-stop.  I think it would be an ultimate travesty if the regional was in Texas and teams and games were affected by the weather.  I know Chapman has hosted the regionals the last 4 years, but they do a good job running them, the weather is going be perfect (blue skies and high 80's temps), the field is gorgeous, there is plenty of lodging and the school and administration know how to run the thing like the back of their hand.  I think in a year where Chapman will be the #1 seed and weather could be a factor, playing the games in CA makes the most sense.  Also, I think if George Fox makes it, that might play into the picture and the fact maybe Austin gets shipped to the South region if only Millsaps OR Rhodes gets a Pool C.  I don't know, all I do know is that it would be brutal if a West Region team started their ace in a game, and he went 4 and then it started pouring and it altered everything and they couldn't bring that guy back, I think it would affect all 6 or 7 teams drastically.  Anyways, McMurray's stadium is legit and a great place to play, I just think more attention should be paid to weather, who the #1 seed is and logisitics.  I think money is a huge factor as always.  Any thoughts on if weather or Fox or 6 vs 7 team regional will affect location?

Honestly the weather isn't something I've thought much about, but it does look like the weather gets pretty gross after Wednesday in Abilene.  That said, I just don't know that it is a viable reason to have the regional at Hart Park again. IF three Texas teams get in I would like to see the regional in McMurry. We can argue the logistics of it all we want, but my favorite part about it being a neutral site would be that ALL of the teams will be on the road. I would think that it would be advantageous to be playing at your home park where you have all of your fans and you're able to go home and get a good nights sleep in your own bed instead of crashing in a hotel room with 3 other guys.

The facilities at McMurry are certainly nicer than they are at Hart Park.

Money is obviously one of the primary factors the NCAA is going to look at.

The thing is IF I was a Chapman player I would want the opportunity to say, "Look, everyone has said that we get such an advantage playing at our home park.  Well this is how talented our team is, (i.e Drag, Kitchens, Yacko, Cavan, Dean, etc.) and we can win wherever we go."  I would want the chance to prove people wrong and get rid of that stigma surrounding that advantage the last few years. IF I was a probable starting pitcher in this thing  ;)  I would take greater pleasure in getting a big dub on the road, but that's just me.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on May 11, 2007, 10:55:56 pm
Dallas seems more likely to me....  1 hr for Austin, 4 hrs for TLU and everyone else gets a cheap direct flight to DFW or Love...  Abilene is a connecting flight from anywhere.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: canpickit on May 12, 2007, 01:49:56 am
I have been reading and listening to opinions on where the West Regional is going to be played the last couple of days.  With it looking more and more likely that 3 Texas teams are going to get in (TLU, UTD and Austin), I'd say there is at least a 75% chance the regionals will be held at McMurray.  My only feeling is that after looking at the 10 day weather report for Abilene, it looks like rain, thundershowers and more rain non-stop.  I think it would be an ultimate travesty if the regional was in Texas and teams and games were affected by the weather.  I know Chapman has hosted the regionals the last 4 years, but they do a good job running them, the weather is going be perfect (blue skies and high 80's temps), the field is gorgeous, there is plenty of lodging and the school and administration know how to run the thing like the back of their hand.  I think in a year where Chapman will be the #1 seed and weather could be a factor, playing the games in CA makes the most sense.  Also, I think if George Fox makes it, that might play into the picture and the fact maybe Austin gets shipped to the South region if only Millsaps OR Rhodes gets a Pool C.  I don't know, all I do know is that it would be brutal if a West Region team started their ace in a game, and he went 4 and then it started pouring and it altered everything and they couldn't bring that guy back, I think it would affect all 6 or 7 teams drastically.  Anyways, McMurray's stadium is legit and a great place to play, I just think more attention should be paid to weather, who the #1 seed is and logisitics.  I think money is a huge factor as always.  Any thoughts on if weather or Fox or 6 vs 7 team regional will affect location?

Honestly the weather isn't something I've thought much about, but it does look like the weather gets pretty gross after Wednesday in Abilene.  That said, I just don't know that it is a viable reason to have the regional at Hart Park again. IF three Texas teams get in I would like to see the regional in McMurry. We can argue the logistics of it all we want, but my favorite part about it being a neutral site would be that ALL of the teams will be on the road. I would think that it would be advantageous to be playing at your home park where you have all of your fans and you're able to go home and get a good nights sleep in your own bed instead of crashing in a hotel room with 3 other guys.

The facilities at McMurry are certainly nicer than they are at Hart Park.

Money is obviously one of the primary factors the NCAA is going to look at.

The thing is IF I was a Chapman player I would want the opportunity to say, "Look, everyone has said that we get such an advantage playing at our home park.  Well this is how talented our team is, (i.e Drag, Kitchens, Yacko, Cavan, Dean, etc.) and we can win wherever we go."  I would want the chance to prove people wrong and get rid of that stigma surrounding that advantage the last few years. IF I was a probable starting pitcher in this thing  ;)  I would take greater pleasure in getting a big dub on the road, but that's just me.

Some_Guy


Thanks for giving me your thoughts on my post about the weather and if any attention is paid to it.  I am not saying that I/We do not want to travel to Texas, I was just throwing out another idea/thought for people to consider.  I mean, you tell me how great it would be waiting around 4 hours to play a delayed game or start a game and then have to resume it later.  Trust me, I have been there done that numerous times in Appleton (see 2005 World Series).  Also, I really believe Hart Park is a better playing surface, I will say McMurry has a sweet stadium, but as far as playing surface, Hart Park is way better.  Shoot, the Angels used it as a practice facility when they hosted the WBC last spring.  About your comment about winning on the road and proving people wrong, I will say that we are ready for such, but maybe because I am new to this board I am foreign to the "Chapman has a huge advantage" talk that goes on according to you.  If that is the case, if people believe we have a monstrous advantage playing at home and that is why we have been in 3 of the last 4 World Series', then get our team on the next plane to Texas so it is a completely neutral site and even playing field.  All I was doing was throwing out a concern that should be paid attention to, I was not saying we are bitter if we don't host or anything like that.  Shoot, I would love staying in a hotel, bonding with the guys even more, meal money, flying, win on the road, all the stuff that will go on. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 12, 2007, 01:40:28 pm
Weather can always be a factor, or have you not heard of California winds, wildfires and mudslides? Let alone smog.

Weather is a terrible reason to decide where to host a regional. None of the people on the committee are weather forecasters.

If it makes the most sense for it to be in Texas, then it should be in Texas whether the temps are 85 or 100. For that matter, I don't think it's really fair that Chapman hosts it every year long after that ship has sailed in pretty much every other regional.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballroxmysox on May 12, 2007, 04:25:46 pm
Question: if McMurry hosts, does the NCAA fly all teams(except the three possible Texas teams) directly into Albilene?  Or would they fly them into Dallas and make them drive the 150 miles?? Will the NCAA put the 3 Texas teams into a hotel or are any of them close enough to make the daily commute?


And I believe that the weather should be a contributing factor to where they are held.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 12, 2007, 06:04:41 pm
Weather can always be a factor, or have you not heard of California winds, wildfires and mudslides? Let alone smog.

Weather is a terrible reason to decide where to host a regional. None of the people on the committee are weather forecasters.

If it makes the most sense for it to be in Texas, then it should be in Texas whether the temps are 85 or 100. For that matter, I don't think it's really fair that Chapman hosts it every year long after that ship has sailed in pretty much every other regional.

I agree with Spence (shocking... I know). Weather will be the same for each team in each game. It should not be a factor in the decision. So Cal is full of wildfires right now. In fact, I could actually see two different fires from my classroom this week, which is not too far from Chapman.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on May 12, 2007, 06:32:12 pm
Since you are all talking about where a tournament should be held, I want to ask if there is anything about holding the regional at a nuetral site.  Meaning not at a schools home field... but at a stadium in the area. 

Money is always a concern with NCAA regionals in all sports.  What does it cost to get the teams there, how much does the facility cost, what is the potential for revenues...

Just wondering if there is something that says it can or can't be on a teams home field?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2007, 06:35:09 pm
If I recall correctly, there's a provision for up to five neutral site regionals. There will probably be one up your way.

I'm not sure I follow -- are you saying that McMurry's campus stadium should not be considered? It's a campus stadium but McMurry is not going to be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 12, 2007, 07:00:11 pm
And I doubt they would make a decision based on weather reports. How reliable are they again?

Hey now :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2007, 07:26:20 pm
Question: if McMurry hosts, does the NCAA fly all teams(except the three possible Texas teams) directly into Albilene?  Or would they fly them into Dallas and make them drive the 150 miles?? Will the NCAA put the 3 Texas teams into a hotel or are any of them close enough to make the daily commute?


And I believe that the weather should be a contributing factor to where they are held.
Abilene can easily handle the tourney.  They host tourneys for high school kids all of the time and even have enough hotel rooms for ACU, HSU and McMurry to have Homecoming on the same weekend.

Abilene Regional Airport gets flights from Continental Express and American Eagle out of DFW and Houston Bush (IAH).

UT-Dallas is 200 miles away, Austin College 250 miles away and Texas Lutheran about 300 miles away, but all relatively close by Texas standards.  It would make a great neutral site.

None of the other 3 Texas venues have lights.  McMurry's Driggers Field is amongst the Top 20-30 ballparks in Division III, even though it is  a decade old by now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2007, 09:01:38 pm
And I doubt they would make a decision based on weather reports. How reliable are they again?

Hey now :)

Sorry -- but 10 days out like Chapman infielder was posting -- how reliable are they usually?

Serious question.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 13, 2007, 04:37:34 am
I'm just messing...heck weather people ourselves say we're the only people that get paid to be right half the time.

10 day forecasts for a specific time frame are damn near worthless IMO. You can make long term forecasts in a macro sense as to whether it's going to be hotter than normal or more active hurricanes than normal but obviously as we saw last year even those aren't anywhere near 100%.

I believe the GFS model starts modeling at 168 hours out. The North American models are shorter time frames. The GFS usually requires adjustment based on analysis and observation. Maybe it's moving something too slow or too fast or going overboard on something. Bottom line is it's not gospel at all. The shorter term products designed specifically for use in the United States are more accurate, though still far from perfect.

Long story short, you're right to be very skeptical of long-term forecasts. In the military, they're made and they're used, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be right. Plans are made based on the best forecast that can be made within the time frame required to make a given decision.

I don't think weather should be a factor for determining where a regional should be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 2X All-American on May 13, 2007, 03:31:18 pm
shouldn't there be an advantage of being the number 1 team in the region (ie - hosting the regional) aside from playing the lowest rank team in that regional? if chapman is rated number 1 in the west region, putting all the money, niceness of the fields, and weather factors aside, shouldn't they be awarded a home field advantage for achieving the number 1 ranking in the region? i thought redlands should have hosted the '06 regionals, because they were ranked number 1 in the region, yet they didnt have lights, so it was moved to their closest-to-home park with lights (chapman), other than la verne who has horrible lights. i understand the whole, "if there are 3 teams in texas go to texas" idea, but i still believe a #1 ranking in a region deserves some advantages.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 13, 2007, 03:51:56 pm
You may think this, but this isn't how things have trended. Ferrum is hosting the South regional and will probably be no higher than a 4 seed. That said, McMurry is not likely to be in a regional, and so that wouldn't be a problem if the tournament was at Walt Driggers Field.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on May 13, 2007, 11:37:08 pm
im new to this whole msg boards and to D3 baseball in general... and i was just wondering what are the qualifications for an at large bid?  and i ask this not to discreadit UTD (because they are a very talented ball club) but how is it that a team get in when mcm has beat them 3 of 5 including a run rule in tournament play? 

And i want to say again i am just ignorant in this issue i dont want to take anything away from UTD they have had a great season and i hope them the best i am just wondering.

thanks for any input.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 13, 2007, 11:46:42 pm
I don't feel like getting into the logistics of it in terms of in region records (UTD's is better).  I mean UTD has a win % over 100 pts higher than McMurry's.  IF McMurry doesn't drop TWO to Schreiner, wins the Southwestern game, and doesn't get swept by TLU (4 games), I think they have a decent chance at it.  They played a tough schedule and they were certainlly the second best team in the ASC West.

Do I think they're a better team than UTD? I don't know.  In tournament play, I'd say yes.  I think both teams have the ability to put up HUGE offensive numbers that rival any team in the nation, but at the end of the day I think McMurry has more depth on the mound than UTD does.  I think that Cox is going to give UTD a chance to win ANY game he pitches, and Waggoner threw very well against TLU in the ASC Tourney, but after that I feel like McMurry can run some more guys out there.

Probably didn't answer your question, but essentially it boils down to McMurry having a worse in-region record.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on May 14, 2007, 12:03:33 am
I don't feel like getting into the logistics of it in terms of in region records (UTD's is better).  I mean UTD has a win % over 100 pts higher than McMurry's.  IF McMurry doesn't drop TWO to Schreiner, wins the Southwestern game, and doesn't get swept by TLU (4 games), I think they have a decent chance at it.  They played a tough schedule and they were certainlly the second best team in the ASC West.

Do I think they're a better team than UTD? I don't know.  In tournament play, I'd say yes.  I think both teams have the ability to put up HUGE offensive numbers that rival any team in the nation, but at the end of the day I think McMurry has more depth on the mound than UTD does.  I think that Cox is going to give UTD a chance to win ANY game he pitches, and Waggoner threw very well against TLU in the ASC Tourney, but after that I feel like McMurry can run some more guys out there.

Probably didn't answer your question, but essentially it boils down to McMurry having a worse in-region record.

Some_Guy

ill agree with that and i know that MCM didnt have the year they had planed on.  i just was also wondering if strength of schedule has anything to do with it ( for future refernce) it looks like UTD played about the same teams as mcm. again just wondering dont want to take anything away from the comets they have had a fantastic year and deserve to be there. thanks again!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2007, 01:08:26 am
Guy covered it very well.

I think that we McM get in with the win over Southwestern, sweeping series that we must (Schreiner) and beating TLU one game out of four.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 15, 2007, 12:20:16 pm
Here's my set of day 1 predictions based on Bill James' log5 method and the seven teams' pythagorean winning percentages. There are no corrections for home-field advantage, travel, or anything else. The percentage chance of the listed outcome follows in parentheses.

Pomona-Pitzer def. Texas Lutheran (54.3%)
George Fox def. Texas-Dallas (61.2%)
Pacific Lutheran def. Austin College (82.7%)
Chapman def. Texas-Dallas (65.7%), UTD eliminated

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 15, 2007, 01:34:59 pm
Here's my set of day 1 predictions based on Bill James' log5 method and the seven teams' pythagorean winning percentages. There are no corrections for home-field advantage, travel, or anything else. The percentage chance of the listed outcome follows in parentheses.

Pomona-Pitzer def. Texas Lutheran (54.3%)
George Fox def. Texas-Dallas (61.2%)
Pacific Lutheran def. Austin College (82.7%)
Chapman def. Texas-Dallas (65.7%), UTD eliminated



I have no idea what you are saying, but I like the idea. I am not much of a math/logarithm-type guy.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on May 15, 2007, 03:25:34 pm
Wow, no love for your fellow Texans.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2007, 05:03:26 pm
Math has no capacity for love or hate. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on May 15, 2007, 07:18:25 pm
Just for fun, I'll take a stab at guessing the first few games of the west regional.
Game 1
Texas-Dallas over George Fox
Game 2
Texas Lutheran over Pomona Pitzer
Game 3
Pacific Lutheran over Austin
Game 4
Chapman over George Fox
Game 5
Pomona Pitzer over Austin
Game 6
Pacific Lutheran over Texas Lutheran
Game 7
Chapman over Texas-Dallas

I don't see any early upsets.  Maybe game 6 is a toss up.  Of course, the later you get into the tournament the more likely it is to see an offensive show and possibly an upset.  I think Chapman will win it with Texas Lutheran and Pacific Lutheran fighting for second.  Texas Lutheran is probably the better choice here because of experience.  However, if it comes down to pitching and defense, as is usually the case in the post-season, look out for PLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 15, 2007, 07:34:36 pm
Here's my set of day 1 predictions based on Bill James' log5 method and the seven teams' pythagorean winning percentages. There are no corrections for home-field advantage, travel, or anything else. The percentage chance of the listed outcome follows in parentheses.

Pomona-Pitzer def. Texas Lutheran (54.3%)
George Fox def. Texas-Dallas (61.2%)
Pacific Lutheran def. Austin College (82.7%)
Chapman def. Texas-Dallas (65.7%), UTD eliminated



I am not a statictian but can you take this further?   Would the probability for Texas-Dallas being eliminated be (.612) x (.657) or 0.402 -> 40.2% chance of being eliminated on the first day?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 16, 2007, 09:25:13 am
Dixon: Yeah, that's how it works. So we're looking at a 40.2% chance that UTD will be eliminated on the first day.

And no, I'm not going to try and do every possible outcome. :P I'm not *that* weird. :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 10:02:41 am
I've got much the same only TLU getting to the finals, winning one game and then losing to Chapman.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thefalcdeuces on May 16, 2007, 10:27:42 am
im going w spence on this one. i think tlu will role until they face chapman at the end. dont get me wrong, i think tlu is legit but it seems to me that they will falter come championship time and chapman will shine......AGAIN. it really is ashame that the west region is so stacked because there really should be two teams from this region packing their bags appleton and getting ready for some wild nights at the wooden nickel
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thefalcdeuces on May 16, 2007, 02:12:34 pm
is dallas 4 real?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 16, 2007, 03:50:54 pm
WEll looks like your calculator simulation isnt working on the first day as UT Dallas just won 5-3 over George Fox.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2007, 10:41:24 pm
No, his calculator is working.  All he said is that GFU would be UT-D 61-39 in the next 100 games (or win 3 out of 5).  It looks like the game was as close as the calculator predicted.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 11:15:28 pm
I don't think that pythag (which I'm a big fan of in a lot of situations) works too well when you have virtually no common opponents. It could be kind of like saying Huntington High went 31-2 and beat everyone they played by 12 runs except for the two losses, and the Pittsburgh Pirates are 15-20 and have been held to 2 runs or less 9 times. Based on the numbers alone, you'd say Huntington would win. Obviously, that's crazy.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 17, 2007, 02:00:56 pm
I don't think that pythag (which I'm a big fan of in a lot of situations) works too well when you have virtually no common opponents. It could be kind of like saying Huntington High went 31-2 and beat everyone they played by 12 runs except for the two losses, and the Pittsburgh Pirates are 15-20 and have been held to 2 runs or less 9 times. Based on the numbers alone, you'd say Huntington would win. Obviously, that's crazy.

Well.... it IS the Pirates. It could happen.

Huntington (Beach) High, CA pounded my team this year. They are pretty good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 05:51:21 pm
I was actually thinking of the basketball juggernaut in West Virginia this year that had like 4 D-I players (historic is pretty much any WV team with more than 1) but sort of mixed my metaphors.

The Pirates are middle of the pack in the NL Central right now despite not scoring hardly any runs. Lot of season to go for Jim Tracy and a bunch of young guys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 17, 2007, 05:55:24 pm

The Pirates are middle of the pack in the NL Central right now despite not scoring hardly any runs. Lot of season to go for Jim Tracy and a bunch of young guys.


I believe they are behind my beloved Brewers! I feel like it is 1982 all over again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on May 23, 2007, 06:03:32 pm
I know not everyone can make the squad, but I'm a bit dissapointed that HSU's Michael Simpson didn't make even the D3baseball.com Honorable Mention team. 

He clearly had the stats:  a .409 batting average, 13 HR, 53 RBI, 124 total bases, a .756 slugging percentage and a .967 fielding percentage.

Of course, all the kids that made the squad are deserving--I just wanted Michael to get some kudos for a great career at HSU.   :-[
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 29, 2007, 03:26:08 pm
I don't think that pythag (which I'm a big fan of in a lot of situations) works too well when you have virtually no common opponents. It could be kind of like saying Huntington High went 31-2 and beat everyone they played by 12 runs except for the two losses, and the Pittsburgh Pirates are 15-20 and have been held to 2 runs or less 9 times. Based on the numbers alone, you'd say Huntington would win. Obviously, that's crazy.

It would work if I was able to do some kind of adjustment based on league difficulty, which I wasn't really inclined to try and figure out at the time. On the other hand, I figured that the raw runs scored and allowed totals were close enough for a quick-and-dirty calculation, so I just did that. Maybe I'll fiddle around with some kind of adjustment during the summer...or maybe I'll get a real job that won't give me the time. :P

I also think that Simpson should have gotten a nod. That's an awful good line for any position, but he did it playing center. I'd bet that most of the OF on the list were corner guys, but that's just my speculation. *wishes he had the data and time to do VORP*
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 21, 2007, 07:05:18 pm
Got an update on a one-time Concordia-U Austin pitcher:

http://www.frontierleague.com/rosters/rivercity.php
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on June 28, 2007, 08:06:05 pm
Thanks for posting the update WLCALUM83.  Jonathan is having the time of his life right now.  He had been in contact with a couple of MLB clubs, but when the opportunity came for him to play in the Frontier League, he decided to go ahead and sieze the moment.  He got the call on Father's day, flew to St. Lois on Monday and pitched on Tuesday.  Thus far he's been mostly middle relief, but his last game he entered in the bottom of the 9th, bases loaded and 2 outs! He struck out the only batter he faced.  Hopefully, he'll continue to be successful.  I only wish my computer was working properly and I could listen to his games!   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 06, 2007, 07:50:49 am
Pitchinmom, you may be a bit happier after you see the pitching lines on this link:

http://www.frontierleague.com/2007scores/wcy7050.html

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on July 06, 2007, 07:22:40 pm
Pitchinmom, you may be a bit happier after you see the pitching lines on this link:

http://www.frontierleague.com/2007scores/wcy7050.html


Thanks.  I finally was able to actually listen to the game last night, after spending about 9 hours on the phone with microsoft.  Jonathan called me today to let me know that they are moving him to the starting rotation and he is slated to get his first start for the Rascals on Monday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 07, 2007, 05:54:15 pm
Isn't Microsoft wonderful?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pg04 on July 07, 2007, 06:26:10 pm
Isn't Microsoft wonderful?

Is that a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 07, 2007, 08:11:30 pm
Isn't Microsoft wonderful?

Is that a rhetorical question?

What else would it be? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on July 10, 2007, 10:49:19 pm
Pitchinmom, you may be a bit happier after you see the pitching lines on this link:

http://www.frontierleague.com/2007scores/wcy7050.html


Here's the article from the O'Fallon Journal after Miller's first professional start.  There's a pretty cool picture in the article as well!
http://ofallonjournal.stltoday.com/articles/2007/07/10/sports/sj2tn20070710-0711stc_ras.ii1.txt (http://ofallonjournal.stltoday.com/articles/2007/07/10/sports/sj2tn20070710-0711stc_ras.ii1.txt)

Title: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 18, 2007, 02:04:49 pm
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Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 06, 2007, 10:38:42 pm
Good fall season for McMurry.

They scrimmaged Cisco JC on ?Friday?.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2007, 08:29:47 am
McMurry's 2008 Schedule (http://athletics.mcm.edu/schedules.asp?path=baseball)

Coach Driggers knows how to build a schedule!

Forty games, only Marietta and the mid-week game versus NAIA Wayland Baptist are not in-region.

He has perennial powers Chapman and George Fox on the non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on December 10, 2007, 12:57:55 am
Texas Lutheran Baseball Schedule (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_baseball/2008_baseball_schedule)

Looks like new head coach Greg Burnett finally did something Miller was never willing to do.  He got rid of the two useless Huston-Tillitson games in favor of a west coast run-in with La Verne (2) and the Redlands (2). That's a tough weekend for the Bulldogs, but good to see them playing some stiffer competition AND more importantly adding 4 in-region games to the schedule to accompany their lone 2 games with Trinity every year.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2007, 01:15:54 am
Texas Lutheran Baseball Schedule (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_baseball/2008_baseball_schedule)

Looks like new head coach Greg Burnett finally did something Miller was never willing to do.  He got rid of the two useless Huston-Tillitson games in favor of a west coast run-in with La Verne (2) and the Redlands (2). That's a tough weekend for the Bulldogs, but good to see them playing some stiffer competition AND more importantly adding 4 in-region games to the schedule to accompany their lone 2 games with Trinity every year.

JSG
JSG, congratulations to TLU!

That is a great schedule!  The Bulldogs open against in-region AC.  The midweek non-in-region games versus Wabash, Concordia NE and Sterling KS are the only non-in-games present.

This may be the difference in boosting the ASC schools over Chapman in seeding.

Here is McMurry's (http://athletics.mcm.edu/schedules.asp?path=baseball).  Note the three game series with Chapman and hosting George Fox for 3 games!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on December 10, 2007, 11:24:22 am
Texas Lutheran Baseball Schedule (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_baseball/2008_baseball_schedule)

Looks like new head coach Greg Burnett finally did something Miller was never willing to do.  He got rid of the two useless Huston-Tillitson games in favor of a west coast run-in with La Verne (2) and the Redlands (2). That's a tough weekend for the Bulldogs, but good to see them playing some stiffer competition AND more importantly adding 4 in-region games to the schedule to accompany their lone 2 games with Trinity every year.

JSG

I am looking forward to catching those games as it will give me a more rounded view of the region's teams. It is always hard to catch the Texas teams unless they travel to the greater- Los Angeles area.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on December 10, 2007, 09:19:02 pm
I know this is early but are there any predictions for the upcoming season on how the conference will turn out?

And I love the fact that mmore ASC teams are playing tough games early on in the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tball275 on January 17, 2008, 03:46:21 pm
Ozarks first game is Feb. 5 vs. Hendrix.  Should be a good game to open up the season for the Eagles.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on January 28, 2008, 02:43:06 pm
I know this is early but are there any predictions for the upcoming season on how the conference will turn out?

And I love the fact that mmore ASC teams are playing tough games early on in the season.

I know it is probably too early to make any predictions, but I am going to take a crack at it to spark some discussion.

West

1. Tx Lutheran
2. McMurry
3. UMHB
4. Hardin Simmons
5. Concordia
6. Schreiner
7. Howard Payne
8. Sul Ross

East
1. Tx Tyler
2. Tx Dallas
3. Ozarks
4. Miss. College
5. La. College
6. ETBU
7. Letourneau

I know these are pretty close to the finishing standings of last season, but I feel like it could be an accurate finish to the season again this year.

On a side note I really feel like the west can be a toss up this year between McMurry and TLU.  I'm taking TLU because McMurry has to travel to Seguin, and (correct me if I am wrong) has never won a series against TLU since the Bulldogs joined the conference.

Tyler is likely to be a powerhouse again with a new load of JuCo talent, but we'll see if they can come together.  I think the Ozarks and UMHB are teams to watch.  They both had improving seasons last year.

I think the champions (and it is way too early for this) could be either McMurry, Tyler, or TLU.  It will all depend on which team can come together and get hot at the right time.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on January 28, 2008, 06:44:54 pm
Just looking at the talent in the ASC is scary. It is still hard to believe they only get one Pool A bid. Most eight team conferences get one as well so it is hard to justify only giving one to the ASC's 17 team conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on January 28, 2008, 07:17:54 pm
I agree with you entirely BigPoppa.  I also think that the ASC does not get the recognition it deserves as being a tough conference.  A perfect example came last year when UTD beat TLU in the regionals but finished third in the conf. tournament at their own park.  On top of that UT Tyler was the best team and didn't even get a chance to go.  It is unfortunate but you just have to play the hand that is dealt. 

I think there should be a legitimate case for three teams to come from the ASC this year depending on how some teams fair early in the year in those in region games.  It will be fun to watch.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 28, 2008, 07:44:44 pm
I agree with you entirely BigPoppa.  I also think that the ASC does not get the recognition it deserves as being a tough conference.  A perfect example came last year when UTD beat TLU in the regionals but finished third in the conf. tournament at their own park.  On top of that UT Tyler was the best team and didn't even get a chance to go.  It is unfortunate but you just have to play the hand that is dealt. 

I don't know if the MAC Freedom and MAC Commonwelath were one conference in the past - I suspect so.  If you split the conference in two, you get two automatic bids. 

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2008, 12:32:13 am
I agree with you entirely BigPoppa.  I also think that the ASC does not get the recognition it deserves as being a tough conference.  A perfect example came last year when UTD beat TLU in the regionals but finished third in the conf. tournament at their own park.  On top of that UT Tyler was the best team and didn't even get a chance to go.  It is unfortunate but you just have to play the hand that is dealt. 

I don't know if the MAC Freedom and MAC Commonwelath were one conference in the past - I suspect so.  If you split the conference in two, you get two automatic bids. 
For ASC fans, the challenge of getting two conferences is that several schools need to add other sports, and it is prudent not to have the "minimum" number of teams in the conference.  The migration from the MAC Commonwealth has left them with only 5 schools.  They need to find two affiliates or new members/programs to get to the seven necessary for the AQ by the 2010 season, or they move to Pool B.

If we had 2 more schools on the West and probably 3 more on the East, then creating a new conference might be wise.

I keep asking UT-Tyler, is your 7,000 student state supported school really a peer institution to the University of Ozarks or Louisiana College?

Also, I would love to have the correspondence from the president of UT-Dallas on on UT-Dallas letterhead stating that all of the ASC schools that are considered peer institutions in the fields of neurological sciences, psychology and computation sciences.   :D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on January 29, 2008, 10:18:00 am
I keep asking UT-Tyler, is your 7,000 student state supported school really a peer institution to the University of Ozarks or Louisiana College?

Also, I would love to have the correspondence from the president of UT-Dallas on on UT-Dallas letterhead stating that all of the ASC schools that are considered peer institutions in the fields of neurological sciences, psychology and computation sciences.   :D

Don't even get me started.  ;)

I am primarily familiar with the West Region and the SCAC schools. What are some other examples across the nation
of really good programs that can attribute some of their success to the fact that they're state-supported, cheaper tuition,
and easier admission standards? Let's be honest -- some of these schools can go get guys (including JUCO guys) that
would never have the financial means or the grades to get into some of the other ASC schools?

Also - in the ASC what schools are definitely at a disadvantage in terms of admission standards,
cost of tuition, etc. when it comes to other sports? Some more than others?

JSG


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on January 29, 2008, 12:55:36 pm
I believe but am not certain that TLU has the highest tuition in the conference.  I think that makes it more amazing that they keep fielding quality teams.  I do know that they struggle in basketball, and are not great in football.  McMurry has a high tuition rate as well. 

There are some definite issues in the ASC, but what can you do?  If the conference was broken up as is it would likely lose its automatic bid.  Maybe there is a fix in the future that might move UT Dallas and Tyler to a Division II program. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on January 30, 2008, 06:21:27 pm
In case anyone missed it on the main page here are the preseason predictions/awards for the ASC:

http://d3baseball.com/pressreleases/ASC/2008/01/29/ASC-Preseason-PollAwards-Announced/2169

Any thoughts?

I have a few opinions and will probably post them later this evening...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on January 31, 2008, 12:43:25 am
ASC West Predictions

Texas Lutheran - How does this team recover after losing possibly two of the best pitchers to grace the ASC in Besa (8-0 last year) and Enloe (7-1 last year)? Throw in their middle INF that included SS Jake Kaase (ASC West Division Co-Player of the Year last year after hitting .422 with 56 RBI, four home runs, 15 doubles and two triples) who was drafted by the Rangers and 2nd Scott Matocha (.374, 13 SBs) and you begin to wonder.

They've placed stars in the past, John Krog and Aaron Crais among others, but never had to rely so much on pitchers with such a small amount of experience. PITCHING will be the key for the Bulldogs in '08.

They'll be led by ASC Preseason Pitcher of the Year SO Logan Hull (7-2, 3.54 ERA) and Closer Robert Conley (3-2, 2.54 ERA, 6 SVs), and ask mid-week starter/reliever Austin Yager to repeat his 8-1 record last year. Brad Wesson and Tom Hembree will be other Bulldogs to keep an eye on. SO Ryan McGinley also started 2 games last year including the Bulldogs final playoff game, a loss to UTD.

Offensively the Bulldogs return notables SO OF Ryan Nokelby (.361, 3rd Team All West Region), JR OF Kyle Harvey(.370, .489 OBP), SR 1B Jason Foley (.360, 48 RBI), and SR DH/3B Joseph Brade (.333, 18 2B).

Who fills in up the middle? I doubt there's any Kaase's hiding on this roster, but the Bulldogs do have Joe Gentry listed as a 3B/SS who hit .289 and started 10 games. They also have Concordia transfer Chris Green who I believe started the year starting at 2nd for CUA last year prior to an injury that curtailed the rest of season. There's also a 2nd base TR from Howard on the roster who could possibly figure into the mix, but I have no clue to be honest. This has to be a concern.

JR Drew Farr, who started 3 games last year prior to a season-ending injury might start in LF according to their team preview. Also, Jr. Chris Siniff (.167 in limited action) is expected to start behind the dish.

There's a lot of new faces, including new head coach Greg Burnett who will try to fill the shoes of Bill Miller who had a .771 winning percentage over the last nine years.

I've learned not to doubt this team, so I won't. They have plenty of offensive firepower to be score a lot of runs, but some new faces are going to have to step up on the bump, and some new guys (or Gentry) will have to play solid D up the middle for the Bulldogs to repeat.
 

McMurry - McMurry returns the conferences best 3-5, or 2-4 (depending on how Coach Driggers uses them) in West Preseason Player of the Year Brent Vorhees (.370, 14 HRs - 3 HRs from breaking the conference record), Derek David (.390, 7HR, 61 RBI) (both D3 baseball All Americans), and all region performer Weston Franco (.373, 11 HR).

They also return Steven Yurchik (.468 in 21 starts/27 games) who emerged as a key contributor near the end of last year and all conference honorees Nathan Love and Jeff Jackson.

Key offensive losses will be Hank Casey (.371)and Joseph Cervantes (.350, 19 SBs).

It is hard for me to guage what else they have in terms of offense. It doesn't appear as though they've gone out and got as many JUCO guys as they've had in the past, but it's tough to tell from their roster. Ross Shores might be one guy to watch.

I think TLU may be better offensively top to bottom than McMurry, but if Yurchik is getting on base in front of their big 3, AND some new guys emerge near the bottom of the order they'll be tough to handle. I think Jackson is a servicable hitter, but I'm not sold on Nathan Love yet.

In terms of pitching though, McMurry is in decent shape  this year. They lose Nick Schafer who had a GREAT year last year (10-1), but return their other two weekend starters Clint Johnston and Cody Curry (both 6-2). Johnston's a durable, crafty guy who pitches efficiently. I like him alot. Vorhees can throw if he has to, but I'd rather see them let him focus on hitting. The third starter might be Aaron Wood, who led the team in ERA last year (2.25) and avg against (.245). Where McMurry has needed help (at least the last two years) has been depth out of the pen. I like what LHP Kyle Martin is capable of, but he'll need some help. 

I've been back and forth between picking McMurry and TLU, and I just can't decide (is that a cop out or what?) McMurry has ALWAYS had trouble with TLU, and especially in Seguin (where they have them this year), but I really like these veteran leaders (Vorhees is a class act), the core of their lineup, and TLU's inexperienced pitching and the lack of Jake Kaase makes me leery.

Mary-Hardin Baylor - So UMHB seven starting position players and returns five pitchers 17 innings pitched a couple of others that could certainly be called upon if they were needed. Theyíll lose starters Chase Beyrand (6 HRs) and Ricky LaFont (.352, .975 F% at the hot corner), and they may miss the big man Bill Pearce on the bump (73 Ks and 50 IP).

I honestly think this is the 3rd place team in the ASC West this year. HSU and CUA have traditionally had better programs, but UMHB has been steadily ascending and they made their first ever ASC playoff birth last year.  That said, theyíre going to have to find some starting pitching. Garza, Tumlinson and Dobbins are possibly their 1,2,3 (the only ASC team that doesnít have to find at least one new starter?), but Tumlinson (6.75 ERA) and Dobbins (7.30 ERA) werenít exactly stellar on the mound last year.

Garzaís really good, but I like him so much better out the pen, in a closer, go to guy in a close game type of role (much in the same way that Chapman tends to use Yacko). Heís a smaller guy and Iím not certain his frame is that durable playing both ways and leading the team in innings pitched. That said Garza was fairly solid down the stretch last year, while Tumlinson and Dobbins struggled with the better offensive teams.

Pitching in the ASC has never really been ridiculous (Iíd say it mightíve been the strongest when CUA and TLU both had pretty solid guys on the bump in Ď02ish) so with those three and Vaughn and Hawkins (and probably Les Sarles) contributing out of the pen, and one or two new guys making an impact this is definitely a team to contend with.

Offensively they return the bulk of their guys from last year. Villegas (.399, 3 3B, 4 HR, 14 SBs) was a monster and definitely one of the toughest outs in the ASC. With him and Volz (.368, 21 SBs) at the top of the line up they can start a really quick. Only TLUís tandem of Harvey/Nokelby rivals these two. In the 3-4 slots youíre probably looking at Froschel (.381, 6 HR) and Reinlie (.393, 8 HR). Throw Garza (.362, 4 HR) and Andrew White (.340 in 10 starts) into the mix and you have some solid sticks. Earnest Pena and SS Jonathan Whitehead will also be in the mix.

Concordia - Once a team that competed for the top of the conference Concordia has slipped a bit the past two years. They lose their best pitcher Jonathan Miller who had a great year last year, their best two power hitters C Bill Mitchell (7 HRs) and Brad Payne (6 HR).

That said they return the core of their team that finished 5th (and just out of the ASC playoffs last year).

Offensively the return their top hitter from last year SR OF/2B Bryan Jacobs (.382, 10 SBs), and Patrick Mercer (.346), Chad Thielpape (.324), and Trey Struhall (.301). Also, 3B/P Steven Szkotak hit .280. Nick Cmerek and Kyle Rhodes could also be called upon this year.

Coach Mike Gardner also went out and got some new guys from baseball savvy schools. It will be interesting to see if any of those guys can contribute.

Despite losing Miller, CUA returns their other two weekend starters, Szkotak (5-5, 4.56 ERA), Ethan Morrison (6-4, 5.40) and top closer Matt Aubry (2-1, 4.24, 5 SVs). But other than these three CUA doesn't have one pitcher on the roster who threw more than 3 varsity innnings last year. You have to wonder about their depth on the bump. And with all do respect to their returners - they're servicable guys, but I can't see them beating an offensive like TLUs or McM's -- except for those once a year games.

In other words, they don't have a Jonathan Miller that will go out there and consistently give them a really good chance to win against really good offenses (not that Miller pitched great against the top teams in the conference last year). Aubry may have the stuff, but being from a closers role I don't know that he has the durability.

It's hard to say where this team finishes the year.  I like the fact that they are starting to develop their own identity with their core guys offensively, but there are currently BIG question marks in their rotation after those three guys. 


Hardin Simmons - To me Hardin Simmons year to contend was definitely last year, but their pitching was sub par (7.15 ERA) and that definitely cost them. They had a good core though for a couple of years. It will be interesting to see what they do with only 2 returning position starters.

With CUA and HSU seemingly taking a little step back and now with Tyler eligible is the East gaining ground on the West's dominance over the last few years?

HSU loses Michael Simpson (.409, 13 HR), Brad Coleman (.357, 6 HR), Koch, Ruth and Gibbs, among others.

Offensively they'll be led by Ryan Stepp (.375, 4 HR). Justin Gage (.297 - 33 starts), Kyle Swearingen (.313 - 9 starts), and Tre Sellari (.244 - 5 starts) might all be called on. Because this team lost so much I'm virtually completely in the dark about what they're capable of. They have a SO-TR J.T. Armstrong, but obviously we're going to see a lot of new faces for the Cowboys this year. I don't want to underestimate anyone, but I just don't envision them being very strong offensively this year with so many guys getting their first crack at it.

On the mound, they have some guys coming back. Josh Alcorn, Nathan Copeland, Kyle Barton, Lance Johnson, and James Sweatman all saw significant innings last year. In addition Tim Kreigal started a couple of games. Alcorn (3.74 ERA, .208 avg against, 6 SVs) was their only guy with an ERA under 5.00 so it'll be interesting to see how some of these guys have developed in the off-season.

Alcorn has the ability to be a top notch pitcher in West - He's right up there with TLU's Hull and McM's Johnston. I assume he'll be called upon to start this year, but maybe not.

It's imperative the staff as a whole is better this year, because I doubt they'll get the run support they received last year, BUT I think some of these pitchers are better than they are on paper so they'll be interesting to follow.


JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on January 31, 2008, 02:13:20 am
Well I believe that you are pretty much spot on with your predictions JSG and ill have to agree with you that TLU and McM will be fun to watch.
Here is a little insider information not sure if it is known publicly..

HSU has had a few guys quit this fall (Could be just the rumor mill) but i have heard of a number of players but Steep would be the biggest name
They also have had Coplend working out at 3rd all fall (99.9 % Sure)

As for my predictions are as follows
West
McMurry (Although it will be tough with the group of Seniors and returners I think its theirs to lose)
TLU (Will put up a fight like every year and might take it)
Concordia (Tough at home and will suprise more than a few teams)
UMHB (They are my "Sneaker Team" will be scrappy and could beat anyone)
HSU (Have to many holes)
Howard Payne (will win a few suprises but not enough)
Schriner (not enough)
Sol Ross (Start reloading AGAIN)

East
Texas-Tyler (solid team but a little down from last year they might have 4 losses this year)
Texas-Dallas (deep team who can score with the best of them
Mississippi College (always tough to play)
Ozarks (An older team than last year and were a scrappy bunch then and will be again)
Louisiana College
East Texas Baptist
LeTourneau

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on January 31, 2008, 12:00:39 pm
... Con't from original post (exceeded the maximum characters)

Howard Payne - HPUís website claims they have 5 returning all conference players, it doesnít mention that theyíre all all-honorable mentions and that sometimes goes all the way down to the 6th best at that position with 8 teams in the conference.

Side Note: Itís GREAT recognizing individual achievements, but I wouldnít want to feel like those awards are watered down and given to everyone who started in conference play. I wish the ASC would stick to a 1st, 2nd, and honorable mention Ė with only ONE honorable mention at each position.

Now, HPU loses probably their best overall player in Kasey Black (I really enjoyed watching him play) and best pitchesr in Justin Davies and Josh Holmes, but they do return some capable guys. They havenít posted a 2008 roster so itís hard to gauge exactly what theyíll have this year.

Truth be told you really need 6-7 position starters hitting over .300 to be competitive in the ASC in my honest opinion, HPU will have two returning Ė Blake Shaffer (.319) and James Mays (.303). I liked what I saw of Shaffer last year, he went opposite field well and both he and Mays swiped some bags, 7 and 9 respectively.

Catcher Jose Sierra (.274) and SO INF Kyle Lloyd (.275) will have to help those two out this year and SS Cale Thompson and 2B Chris Pucci will have to continue to develop both at the plate and back up the middle. Thompson will be looked at to up .248 average and his .897 F% for this team to have a chance at a playoff run.

Letís talking about pitching. With the loss of Davies and Holmes HPU will surely turn to their last remaining weekend starter, SR Colby Rowley (3-7, 6.75 ERA) to turn into their number one. Heíll likely be accompanied by SR Adam Garcia (2-2, 4.95 ERA) in three starts to also be a rotation guy. After that, itís hard to say.

Theyíll bring back 5 other guys who threw more than 10 innings last year, but all had ERAs over 8.00 Ė in their defense some were young, (a couple even freshman) so with a year of experience under their belt they may be better. Again, thereís no indication of what they have in terms of newcomers because their isnít a 2008 roster posted yet that I can find.

This team got swept by TLU, McM, CUA, and HSU this year, and while I think there will be a dogfight for that 4th place spot in the ASC west this year, I just donít see the Yellow Jackets having what it takes to snag it. Theyíll be in the mix for that spot going into the last weekend though.

Schreiner Ė Okay, now seriously, someone help me out here. Can SIDs and head coaches vote for their own teams? This is two years running Schreiner has received two first place votes. That just doesnít make sense.

As much as I would like to say that Schreiner makes a push (hey, that had a great start last year and took 2 of 3 from McMurry), they just donít have enough to work with over there. They are returning ONE guy who hit over .300 and started any significant amount of games, Richard Sanchez (.307 in 21 starts).

They lose their best player and catalyst in Kester.

While they can be scrappy and potentially dangerous enough to steal one from time to time if they get a good performance on the mound, this team just isnít going to have enough offensive talent (or pitching) to compete with the upper half of the ASC.

I donít think the middle of their order is going to be that threatening so theyíll have to rely on Crenwelge (.281, 7 SBs) and Langston (.274) at the top and wherever Huizar (.272, 10 SBs) falls later in the order.

In terms of pitching, they do return almost every significant contributor from last year and should have a decent rotation with Jones (4-5, 5.71 ERA), Hermes (7-3, 5.10 ERA), and Armijo (3-2, 6.72 ERA) with Pena (36.1 IP, 5 starts) also being a mid-week/relief guy. With respect to these guys, they have another year of experience under their belts, but they didnít consistently beat the better teams last year and they wonít again this year.

Hermes for newcomer of the year over Villegas of UMHB is still a joke in my opinion. TLU, UMHB, McMurry and Hardin Simmons all hit him pretty well last year. You should have to play well against THOSE teams to win awards. Not to undermine, the crafty left, he was only a freshman last year.

SUís pitching staff also returns Eric Wehmeyer who was fairly solid out of the pen for the Mountaineers. Theyíll also probably look for freshman, Michael Houser to contribute big innings out of the pen this year.

With not much offense firepower, and mediocre defense (14 errors this weekend), I just donít envision them making much of a push.


Sul Ross State The Lobo's only conference win last year was against then #8 Texas Lutheran. That said, I misspoke earlier because the Lobos will bring back all three starting pitchers from last year. According to their season preview theyíll be led by Senior Jamie Rojo and his 8.61 ERA and 2-11 record. Now I donít know about you but that canít be comforting.

The other rotation guys, both seniors will be Michael Otero (6.79, 2-8, led the team in strikeouts) and Cody Kemmerling (8.82, 0-11). These guys arenít great pitchers, theyíre just not, but theyíre all really competitive and I for one appreciate that. Kemmerling despite not getting a win last year pitched with the composure and tenacity of an 8 game winner.

The website states that the offense will be led by returner Sammy Robles (.333) but I donít see him on the roster so Iíll defer to their only other guy over .300 last year, SO Javier Arrieta (.326 as a freshman, 12-13 SBs). Heíll probably be the teamís starting SS and best player. Their next starter with the highest average from last year is C Monte Piper (.275 in 15 starts), but then you have to go all the way down to 2B Richard Fraire (.225) to find another returning starter.

Unless there are some incoming transfers and freshman that can significantly impact this team it is probably going to be a long year for the Lobos. These guys are young, and I am sure itís hard to recruit out there (and keep guys once you get them), but I feel certain theyíll be bringing up the cellar in the ASC again this year.

PHEW - I'm tired of typing. Check back some East Predictions and POTY discussion the rest of this week (but probably not quite as in-depth -- this took forever. As always though - I would appreciate feedback/discussion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 03, 2008, 10:27:05 pm
Houston Baptist 6 - Concordia 9

WP David Towler
LP M. Headley

CF Patrick Mercer 3-4, 3 runs, 2 RBI, 2 SB
LF Tom Williams 1-3 2 runs, 2 RBI , HR
RF Nick Cmerek 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI, HR
C Brian Werneke 1-3, 2 RBI

SP Ethan Morrison 5 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 3 SO
RPs Matt Aubry and Stephen Szkotak pitched the last 2.2 scoreless

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Houston Baptist 12 - Concordia 9

WP J Hook
LP Jason Rangel - who might've pitched the best of the Tornadoes that threw in this game, despite 5 BBs

LF Tom Williams 4-6, 2 runs, 1 RBI
SS Bryan Jacobs 2-4, 2 runs, 3 RBI, HR
DH Robbie King 2-4, 3 runs, 3 RBI, HR

Looks like the Tornadoes have two transfers from McLennan they'll turn to in the middle of that order, Williams and Werneke.  They will give them a better offense than I had originally anticpated, but it looks like they will be hurting for depth on the mound. (Granted it's been two games against a pretty solid squad).

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2008, 11:14:42 pm
I believe but am not certain that TLU has the highest tuition in the conference.  I think that makes it more amazing that they keep fielding quality teams.  I do know that they struggle in basketball, and are not great in football.  McMurry has a high tuition rate as well. 

There are some definite issues in the ASC, but what can you do?  If the conference was broken up as is it would likely lose its automatic bid.  Maybe there is a fix in the future that might move UT Dallas and Tyler to a Division II program. 
Mack, the ASC is too vulnerable to losing a team to some administrative decision if we split.

I will address this later.  We could split into two conferences, but several schools need to add teams.

As much as I would like us split, I cannot see happening.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 04, 2008, 11:13:34 am
JSG

Concordia will always have offense at that small park where a fly ball out ends up on 35.  That being said they did put up some offense on Houston Baptist who is traditionally a talented team. 

By the way thanks for the in depth reports on the teams of the ASC.

Austin College hosts TLU this weekend.  Should be an interesting start to the season.  McMurry has those two three game series with Chapman and George Fox.  I am anxious to see who wins even though its early in the year, and may not represent how good the teams will be in the end.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 04, 2008, 11:41:57 am
Concordia took 2 of 3 from NAIA World Series participant Houston Baptist convincingly. HOuston Baptist had at least three guys I saw on the gun in the low 90's. Concordia then went to Ft. Worth and beat Texas Wes. 11-6. These guys can swing the bat and Gardner looks to have brought in some transfers who have some great talent.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 04, 2008, 12:18:41 pm

Concordia will always have offense at that small park where a fly ball out ends up on 35.  That being said they did put up some offense on Houston Baptist who is traditionally a talented team. 


Concordia has an amazing little ballpark. It is a bit small, but the setting is great and it almost feels as if the freeway overhangs leftfield. Your pitchers better keep the ball down in that park as routine flyballs end up as round-trippers.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 04, 2008, 12:30:12 pm
JSG

Concordia will always have offense at that small park where a fly ball out ends up on 35.  That being said they did put up some offense on Houston Baptist who is traditionally a talented team. 

By the way thanks for the in depth reports on the teams of the ASC.

Austin College hosts TLU this weekend.  Should be an interesting start to the season.  McMurry has those two three game series with Chapman and George Fox.  I am anxious to see who wins even though its early in the year, and may not represent how good the teams will be in the end.

Yes, they'll have a lot of offense in that park (think about how many bombs Vorhees would hit there), though last years team leader in homeruns only had 7, and RBIs only had 30. I think they'll be a better offensive team than they were last year, particularly with the disappointing season Pounds had last year, and some of their younger guys having a year more under their belts.

Houston Baptist is traditionally a talented team, and they took all 4 from CUA last year so it was definitely a good weekend for the Tornadoes.

Like you, I'm also very interested to see the TLU/Austin College Series and the McMurry West coast road trip. Austin College is a lot better team than the last time TLU played them and Coach Iwasaki is definitely one of my favorite coaches in the West Region. I have a lot of respect for the way he has turned that program around.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 04, 2008, 12:57:18 pm
Concordia took 2 of 3 from NAIA World Series participant Houston Baptist convincingly. HOuston Baptist had at least three guys I saw on the gun in the low 90's. Concordia then went to Ft. Worth and beat Texas Wes. 11-6. These guys can swing the bat and Gardner looks to have brought in some transfers who have some great talent.

Just a couple of notes on this comment (and only because I like discussing baseball). Are we really going to call two 3-run wins convincingly? Granted, I wasn't at either game and they definitely could have been. Some games are a lot closer than they appear and it goes the other way as well. Just because you can hit low 90s doesn't necessarily mean you're a pitcher. CUA didn't necessarily face phenomenal pitching, though they did get to Headley and Brunson who were key members of that HBU pitching staff last year.

There was a lot to be said about CUA's tough non-conference schedule last year, but they didn't make the playoffs for the first time in quite some time. We've already discussed the fact that these games don't count towards West Region rankings and therefore do not help them AT ALL in a playoff picture; whereas you have McMurry and Texas Lutheran both taking west coast trips to get some key in-region games in.

In terms of Houston Baptist (and I won't pretend to know a lot about NAIA) - how tough are those teams they play? The NAIA teams I've seen in Texas aren't usually that much better than the top half of the ASC. Lubbock Christian, Texas Wesleyan, and Houston Baptist would probably be considered better than the top-tiered ASC teams I suppose, but the 4th place team last year (in the Red River Athletic Conference) -- Huston-Tillitson (who were a better team than in previous years) did take 3 of 5 from Bacone (Oklahoma seems to have stronger NAIA teams than TX) and were swept by TLU. Obviously that south division (of the RRAC) can't be that tough.

I agree 100% with you that those two transfers in the middle of the order Williams and Werenke should really enable them to have a much better lineup than they had last year.

The question is going to be on the bump. I'd like to see who develops as their rotation guys, and IF they are able to keep Aubry in the pen I think that'll be beneficial for them.

Keep the CUA insight coming Blackcat, we definitely appreciate it!

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 04, 2008, 03:00:23 pm
  McMurry has those two three game series with Chapman and George Fox.  I am anxious to see who wins even though its early in the year, and may not represent how good the teams will be in the end.
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McMurry's JV team playing tomorrow and I have heard that Driggers will play some of the starters due to some suspensions for the west coast trip...There are a few big names on there roster who will not be able to go so this will be a good test for the rest of the teams without them.

Curry, Yurcheck, and Love for sure three starters down.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 04, 2008, 09:14:05 pm
Since I started with the ASC West for my team previews, itís only fair that I start with the ASC East for my preseason player of the year candidates.

ASC EAST Preseason Hitter of the Year

Perhaps this year I can help them get it right. Elizondo had a torrid year at the plate last year, but Brett Rosen was the right pick last year (he was West Region player of the Year).  Anyhow, here are some guys that should definitely get a look this year.

I wonít make a case for any LeTourneau players, but Ed Hurta (the teamís best hitter last year (.281) and best SP (3-2, 5.68) deserve a mention. Also keep an eye on the freshman duo from Cypress Ridge.

NOTE: I KNOW itís easier said than done, but thatís where these schools in the bottom of the ASC (w/ high tuition) have to go to recruit. Both California and Florida can make a case for the best high school ball players, but Houston is the city with the best talent and some of these more wealthy school districts have really solid players that get overlooked by their stellar teammates that are going to D1, big JUCO, etc. Sell what could be, sell turning around the program when those guys are juniors and seniors.

ETBU will have a different look this year with lots of freshman and a couple of transfers. Based on what I know keep an eye on Will Melton (who was 2nd on the team with a .340 average prior to going down with an injury) and Jonathan Jolly.

LA College might surprise some people with that squad they have. They lost their ace, Grant Wilson, but they return some pretty good players, which Iíll get into in my ASC East Preview. Keep an eye out for these guys for this year: Jr. Tyler Bray (.361, 22 BB/HBP to only 12 Ks) and SR. Matt Smith (.341, 35 BB/HBP to 8 Ks).

Generally, I feel like you have to hit .400+ and still some bags though if youíre going to get consideration for hitter of the year without any power numbers, and neither of these guys hit for power.

Itís hard to know ANYTHING about this Mississippi team that brings in like 28 new players, including tons of heralded JUCO guys. JUCO guys can be huge cogs, Concordia getting the McClennan guys for the middle of their order, Franco last year for McMurry, quite a few of the Tyler guys.

With only one returning starter, you almost have to look at the JUCO guys. Look for big things from Skylar Sparrow (.316) and Paige Hodges (.314) who started 32 games and 40 games respectively from the defending National Champion team LSU-Eunice. Wonder what the story is there?

Looking at the roster though, Hodges is still on the roster, but I donít see Sparrow anymore.

The Ozarks are going to be downright dangerous this year, returning a slew of players that enabled them to make a playoff push last year. The Ozarks have a couple of guys definitely worth a mention here:

Sr. John Glenn Ė ASC East Newcomer of the Year last year.
                            Hit .419, .575 SLG% (16 doubles) and was 9-12 SBs
                            Finished top ten in five other offensive categories,     
                            including hits (75),  runs (57), doubles (16), total bases 
                           (103) and on-base percentage (.490)

Here are some others to keep an eye on:
Sr. Robby Finnell  .322 10 HR 51 RBI  .594 SLG
Jr. Todd Koch        .385 4 HR 33 RBI .513 SLG
Jr. Bruce Cameron .345 2 HR 34 RBI .440 SLG 9-12 SBs

Glenn is going to have to put up even more gaudy numbers to win HOTY, but heís a tough out and certainly capable of it. His numbers were actually very comparable to Elizondoís who Iím almost positive won the award last year. Finnell can bring up his average he has the power numbers to get the recognition.

UT Dallas Ė I didnít realize just how senior laden this team was last year. Theyíll have a lot of their arms back but Jackson, Elizondo, Rosen, Putman, Elliot, Bird, Hand are ALL gone and I canít justify putting Matt Kelly, Jake Eisman, or Mike Cargile in this mix. They have some new JUCO guys, but I donít know much about them. I guess Iíll move on to what everyoneís been waiting on anyhow.

UT Tyler Ė The ASC Preseason hitter of the year award from the ASC was Kendall Fox, so weíll start there. Itís hard to go wrong with that pick.

Kendall Fox - .444 avg, .607 obp (you read that right), .611 SLG, 14 2Bs, 65
                      runs 11 SBs and played SS for the best team in the entire
                      conference.
Others:
Joseph Towns - .396 avg, 13 2Bs, 3 HRs, 35 RBIs,
Andrew Damewood - .382 avg, 13 2Bs, 3 3Bs, 4 HRs, 43 RBIs, .610 SLG

My one knock on Tyler (and the stats they put up) is that they played AWFUL non-conference schedule last year with Mid-America Christian, SW Assemblies, Jarvis Christian, University of Dallas (not UT Dallas) and Paul Quinn which accounted for 10 of their games. I guess it was due to the fact that they werenít eligible for playoffs last year. Regardless, they got rid of that awful schedule this year so I have no bones to pick Ė other than it will be interested to see if they put up similar numbers throughout the course of the year.

Conclusion: Since UT Dallas lost their best 7 hitters, I think it boils down to a UT Tyler guy (and Fox makes the most sense considering his numbers last year), and the Ozarks John Glenn. Itís hard to estimate what to expect from all the Mississippi JUCO guys, but Paige Hodges might have an outside chance. Also watch for Damewood, I only saw Tyler a couple of times last year, but I honestly felt like he was a better hitter than Fox and may prove to be so against a better schedule.

Best Wishes.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 05, 2008, 12:47:51 am
NAIA baseball in Texas is very quaility ball, as they offer scholorships which will bring quality players as school is paid for. ANd every numerous guys are drafted high from the Red River conference. I think playing NAIA teams preseason is for getting your team prepared and shows your not going out and trying to beat up on terrible D 3 teams in preaseason (like a few ASC teams usually do) and thats what Gardner has always done. I played for him when we went to the WOrld Series in 2003,and opened up with the likes of A&M Kingsville and The University of Texas when they won the national championship in 03. Im not trying to be a homer but Gardner always preached about playing quality teams early to test what kind of mentality we had against tougher opponents.

The last few teams have been very dissappointing  at CU and personaly I thought the program was going down with the baseball I saw. From these three games and a win at Tex Wes does say something even if it was by 3 or so runs or games. And as for the pitching, I will tell you my confidence is alot higher from facing guys who can actually pitch than throw, and yeah just because it is in the 90's isnt always great, but its better than facing preseason garbage from guys who shouldnt even be on the mound.

 And I will keep the info coming as I will go to the games this weekend against Trinity.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 05, 2008, 12:52:52 am
And I might add, yes the ASC represents baseball very well every year and I like seeing represenatives succeed as far as they can get and guys drafted out of our Conference. I think the quality of baseball is getting better and hope it only gets better. I look forward to some great ASC baseball this year here in Austin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 05, 2008, 08:49:02 pm
I played for him when we went to the WOrld Series in 2003,and opened up with the likes of A&M Kingsville and The University of Texas when they won the national championship in 03.

You must have paid for those tickets to Appleton, because Chapman went to the World Series in 2003.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 05, 2008, 09:03:29 pm
2002,sorry guy. Im sure you paid for one right?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 05, 2008, 11:32:03 pm
Houston Baptist is Div 1 (left NAIA) and are in there with Sam Houston, Mcneese St. etc. Not sure on their elgibility on playffs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 06, 2008, 08:41:51 am
Houston Baptist is Div 1 (left NAIA) and are in there with Sam Houston, Mcneese St. etc. Not sure on their elgibility on playffs.

I know they're making the transition to division I, but are we sure they're in the Southland conference? I know they play McNeese St. and SHSU this year, but there's no mention of them on the Southland Conference website, nor does it have them included in the schedule (and this may be just because they aren't eligible for playoffs and have something to do with the transition period, I don't know).

The first listed Southland game is Feb 22 and HBU is already playing.

It would make sense that would be the conference they WOULD be in if they joined a conference though so if you have a link to that I'd love to read about it. I know HBU basketball went back to division I and they said they would be a potential fit with the Southland or Sun Belt, but hadn't yet made a committment to a conference.

I suspect baseball would be in the same boat, but I can't confirm that.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 06, 2008, 12:39:38 pm
JSG,

I saw Fox play last year in a few games.  He is a solid hitter and a good player.  He is pretty suspect in the field (and so is their score keeping as far as marking errors), but their actual playing surface is not fantastic.  Their facilies are great though.  Perhaps the playing surface will be a little smoother this year.  I could see him winning player of the year.  He will be a strong candidate.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 06, 2008, 12:49:17 pm

Concordia will always have offense at that small park where a fly ball out ends up on 35.  That being said they did put up some offense on Houston Baptist who is traditionally a talented team. 


Concordia has an amazing little ballpark. It is a bit small, but the setting is great and it almost feels as if the freeway overhangs leftfield. Your pitchers better keep the ball down in that park as routine flyballs end up as round-trippers.

Poppa,

Yes you are right they do have a great facility and a quality playing surface.  I didn't mean to take away anything from their field.  It is a good place to watch baseball.  I just meant to comment that their dimesions are ridiculously short, but I believe that is because a lack of space.  298 down the right field line.  Come on that is short.  I saw a game where their small short stop (help me with his name) that played until 2006 (I think, he was a small guy, played along side Greg Warren) that was not a power hitter by any stretch, flip one over that right field wall. 

Again I am not trying to take anything away from that player because he was obviously talented enough to do that.  I am merely commenting that the dimesions are short.  Overall it is a good field, and their teams play well to their park which is why they are so tough to beat at their place.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 06, 2008, 12:55:39 pm
JSG,

I saw Fox play last year in a few games.  He is a solid hitter and a good player.  He is pretty suspect in the field (and so is their score keeping as far as marking errors), but their actual playing surface is not fantastic.  Their facilies are great though.  Perhaps the playing surface will be a little smoother this year.  I could see him winning player of the year.  He will be a strong candidate.

I don't know if you were agreeing with me or contradicting me. Either way, yeah, I definitely think Fox is a guy that will be in the mix for player of the year. If I HAD to pick three RIGHT NOW I'd say Fox, Glenn and Damewood. You can't argue with his average or his obp (with the knock again being a pretty awful schedule last year).

You're right, despite the amazing facilities the surface itself wasn't that good last year. You're also right about their score keeping as well, and not necessarily just to benefit their own stats. It was laughable across the board. There were times guys were laying out and it being called an error and others where a guy misplays the ball and it's called a hit.

It's only Wednesday and I am already eagerly anticipated the McMurry/Chapman games, Concordia/Trinity games and Texas Lutheran/Austin College games this weekend. I am anxious to see how the McMurry bats fare against the Chapman arms (and if Kitchens is back in the mix despite that arm 'tweak' in his first start). I am looking foward to seeing how CUA plays against an overhauled Trinity team (albiet with a lot of depth on the mound). CUA should have some solid momentum after taking 2 of 3 from HBU. And it will be interesting to see how TLU does against the ever improving Kangaroos with two new rotation guys and a whole new middle infield, minus Jake Kaase. I envision some growing pains both on the bump and in the infield for that Bulldog team, at least early.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 06, 2008, 01:04:42 pm
JSG,

Yeah I think you are right about TLU having some growing pains.  I looked at their roster a few days ago and they are younger than they have been in a few years while they have been on this run.

That being said, they always seem to find talented players to fill the shoes of good players they have lost.  I think they have always been strong with their defense up the middle and especially the last two years so it will be interesting to see how they do.  But I am not counting them out.  In 2006 they seemed to be a little down and they turned it around.  It is going to be fun weekend to see, I wish I could catch more games.

Also, I was agreeing with your assessment of the ASC East POY honors. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 07, 2008, 11:22:59 am
McMurray @ Chapman this weekend for a three-game series. Any predictions?

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 07, 2008, 12:10:17 pm
McMurray @ Chapman this weekend for a three-game series. Any predictions?

I'll take the bait, but there's a lot of unknown variables here. Apparently there are some key McMurry players that won't be making the trip including Yurchick - who I anticipated being a catalyst at the top of that order, getting on base for the big 3 in the middle.

Also, does Wade Kitchens throw? (McMurry DID get to him last year).

IF Kitchens throws I'll take Chapman winning 2 out of 3.

I don't think Johnston or Curry will beat Kitchens, and I'm not convinced the other beats Luzar either. I wouldn't mind them saving one of those guys for game 3 and seeing if Chapman has anything left. Maybe Sigman? Maybe they go back to Clear?

I think McMurry has the stronger middle of the order w/ Franco, Vorhees, and David, but Chapman is probably stronger throughout the entire lineup.

They're definitely going to miss Cavan up the middle (Yacko's prone to make some errors) and at the plate, but they have SOLID guys stepping up that didn't start last year. Hall, Phillips, and Vass aren't necessarily as good as Cavan, Dean, Fraser, but the other guys all have a year more experience. This is a better offensive team than Chapman last year.

Has Vass been there all four years?

The scary thing about this Chapman team -- They have 5 seniors on their entire roster.

Your turn BigPoppa...

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 07, 2008, 08:47:40 pm
Has Vass been there all four years?

Here is a quote from the Chapman website.  It is from the outlook for 2008.

Anchoring the heart of the lineup will be Division I transfer Mike Vass who hit .289 with 10 homeruns for U.C. Riverside last season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2008, 09:06:45 pm
Chapman 14, McMurry 12 (http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/07-08/baseball/mcm-cu1.htm).

Pre-season All-American Utility/pitcher Kurt Yacko pitched three innings of scoreless relief while his teammates scored single runs in the 7th and 8th innings.

McMurry errors really hurt the effort!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 08, 2008, 11:22:31 pm
McM had 8 errors but looked very good at the plate and Yurchick did not make the trip neither did Curry or Love.  Johnston threw well but the extended innings got to him.  Chapman looked great at the plate 1-9 are all solid hitters.  I think that tomorrows games will be just as good as the first one but maybe with less errors on the McM side.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2008, 11:34:43 pm
Yacko went for 3 innings today.  If we get ahead with a decent pitching effort tomorrow, then we have a good chance to split the DH.  How many innings does Yacko have in his "early season" arm tomorrow?  He only faced 10 batters Friday!

I hope to win both, but that would mean significant pitching efforts that we have not seen in several seasons.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2008, 01:12:08 am
Hardin Simmons 8 - College of Southwest 1 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/hsubsb1.html)

WP: Kyle Barton
Ryan Stepp (who evidently didn't quit) was 2-3 with 5 RBIs


Hardin Simmons 13- Oklahoma Baptist 5 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/hsubsb2.html)

WP James Sweatman
Stepp and Wayne Pimpton were both 3-5.

The two freshman from Tomball seem to have started off solid. Other freshman also got the opportunity to start at least one of the games.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2008, 08:02:21 pm
Austin College and Texas Lutheran split a DH header today.

TLU tooked the first game 7-2 and then Austin College won the next game 10-0.

Box One (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/08bbgm1.htm)
Box Two (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/08bbgm2.htm)

I don't THINK TLU was ever shut out last year.

TLU will have to have better productivity from spots 6-9 in the order (2-20 w/ Freshman LF Kelly Shannon have both the hits).

JSG

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2008, 08:25:47 pm
 UT Tyler 19 - Hendrix 3 (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-02b.htm)

WP Ryan Cambpell
LP Jordan Suydam

Tyler banged out 21 hits.

 UT Tyler 21 - Hendrix 6 (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-01b.htm)

WP Brett Holland
LP Dave Keine

Tyler had 16 hits.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2008, 09:36:16 pm
McMurry splits the DH at Chapman.

McMurry Pre-season All-American "first baseman" Brent Voorhees pitched 6 2/3  innings to beat Matt Luzar and Kurt Yacko 5-2 in the opener.  Chapman scored in the bottom of the 9th to edge McMurry 6-5. Yacko got his second win of the series and the season in relief.

McMurry and Chapman played 27 innings and score 23 runs each, but Chapman got the series, 2 games to one.   >:(

Box scores (http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/07-08/baseball/teamstat.htm#MCM-CU3)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2008, 10:23:54 pm
McMurry splits the DH at Chapman.

McMurry Pre-season All-American "first baseman" Brent Voorhees pitched 6 2/3  innings beat Matt Luzar and Kurt Yacko 5-2 in the opener.  Chapman scored in the bottom of the 9th to edge McMurry 6-5. Yacko got his second win of the series and the season in relief.

McMurry and Chapman played 27 innings and score 23 runs each, but Chapman got the series, 2 games to one.   >:(

Box scores (http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/07-08/baseball/teamstat.htm#MCM-CU3)

Yacko is arguably the best all-around player in division III baseball. There's no disputing the fact that he's in the mix.

It will be interesting to see how Kitchens recovers from this 'tweak.' They need him because I'm not sure they can survive consistently with Sigman and Clear both in the mix.

I'd like to think getting Yurchick back will help McMurry a lot. Ideally, I'd like to see that line up be Yurchick, Franco, David, Vorhees at the top. Yurchick is a better hitter than Lance Jones and you maximize Franco's skill set in the two slot. With David, Vorhees protecting him, teams have to throw to him and he's going to swing out of his shoes anyway so might as well have him be where he's going to see strikes.

JUCO transfer Toombs pitched well and when you get Curry back and in the mix you won't necessarily have to use Vorhees as a starter, and if he can continue to throw well without it affecting his stick adding him to the backend of the pen with Martin is going to help out alot.

14 Errors didn't help McMurry either...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 10, 2008, 03:35:09 pm
Chapman is giving up way too many run to be a serious contender at this point and they are leaning too much on Yacko out of the bullpen to expect him to keep it up all season. I believe he has appeared in 5 of 6 games this season while playing the infield as well. That is a lot of wear and tear on a young arm.

Kudos to McMurry for stepping up to the plate this weekend and punching Chapman square in the mouth.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2008, 04:07:13 pm
Chapman is giving up way too many run to be a serious contender at this point and they are leaning too much on Yacko out of the bullpen to expect him to keep it up all season. I believe he has appeared in 5 of 6 games this season while playing the infield as well. That is a lot of wear and tear on a young arm.

Kudos to McMurry for stepping up to the plate this weekend and punching Chapman square in the mouth.
Thanks for the kind words.  I believe that McMurry needs to take two of three from GFU this weekend.

I would be happy with a 3-3 start versus Chapman and GFU.

Coach Driggers has one of the toughest schedules in all of D-III. McMurry plays 2007 NCAA Playoff teams, #2 Chapman (3), (Receiving votes) GFU (3), Austin College (3), #17 Texas Lutheran (3), (Receiving votes) UT-Dallas (1) and #10 Marietta (1).  They also play #16 UT-Tyler (1) and (receiving votes) HSU (3).

That is 18 of the 40 games.  The other non-conference foes include Southwestern home-and-away and at Trinity.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2008, 06:38:26 pm
TLU 15 def. Austin College 7 (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/08bbgm3.htm)

The first three hitters, CF Kyle Harvey, 2B Andrew Femath and RF Ryan Nokelby went 8-13 with 9 RBIs in the final game.

For the series the Bulldogs were led by the same three: Femath (8-11), Harvey (4-9, 5 RBIs, 3 SBs), and Nokelby (4-11, 6 RBIs).

One thing I really liked was that a lot of Bulldogs got the opportunity to contribute, both on the field and on the bump.

The guys platooning in LF also hit pretty well with FR Kelly Shannon (3-5) and SO Brandon Opheim (2-6) adding to the number of upperclassmen the young Bulldogs will rely on this year.

I think TLU has to be okay with taking 2 out of 3 from the '07 SCAC champs.
You never want to get run-ruled, but they have a young team that's going
to go through some growing pains early and taking 2 out of 3 from solid
teams will usually get you to the playoffs.

Of note for Austin College it was good to see Bobby Schleizer back in the mix (particularly offensively), but I was surprised to see him throwing that last game and Coach Iwasaki for whatever reason not pitching Chermak who is probably his best pitcher coming back from last year's squad.











JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 12, 2008, 12:31:28 pm
JSG,

Did you make it out to the Austin College vs. Texas Lutheran games?  I have only read box scores.  I was wondering how the teams looked defensively.  I noticed Texas Lutheran made five errors which is not too bad this early in the season.  I know Austin College does not have the greatest playing surface.  I was just wondering how they looked (both teams) defensively because it is hard to tell from a box score.

Also i noticed McMurry made a ton of errors in the Chapman series.  Did anyone get to see that series? 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 12, 2008, 01:49:02 pm


Also i noticed McMurry made a ton of errors in the Chapman series.  Did anyone get to see that series? 


I saw a little of the DH on Saturday. Chapman's bullpen is going to be in trouble if their starters cannot get deep in games. Yacko will never hold up if he has to throw 2-3 innings every game to close the door. McMurry looked solid, but their defense was very shaky, which can be expected early in the season. If they can polish it up a bit, they will be a solid team looking for a post-season berth.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 12, 2008, 05:15:07 pm
JSG,

Did you make it out to the Austin College vs. Texas Lutheran games?  I have only read box scores.  I was wondering how the teams looked defensively.  I noticed Texas Lutheran made five errors which is not too bad this early in the season.  I know Austin College does not have the greatest playing surface.  I was just wondering how they looked (both teams) defensively because it is hard to tell from a box score.

Also i noticed McMurry made a ton of errors in the Chapman series.  Did anyone get to see that series? 

I did not actually get to catch any of the games. In retrospect I don't think 5 errors is that bad (particularly early), but for a team that has won a lot of games in the past based on pitching and defense I still think there's some concern on the infield defense for the Bulldogs.

In terms of McMurry - I know David made a couple of errors. He really makes some phenomenal plays over there, but everytime I've watched him he's seemed relatively prone to mistakes as well.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 13, 2008, 07:14:53 pm
TLU has definitely been strong defensively the past years.  I wonder if the mistakes were young mistakes or possible scoreing goofs.  Either way the Bulldogs have their hands full this weekend with four games out in Cali.  It shoould be real interesting to see how this young team travels throughout the year.  They also have a trip to Lousiana for La. College in a coulple of weeks.  I could see them being really up and down on those road trips as they were this weekend.  On the flip side they always seem to be a strong team down the finish.

There is supposed to be some awful weather this weekend.  I hope it doesn't effect the George Fox and McMurry match up.  That one should be fun to watch.

Title: Concordia University
Post by: wetsu on February 14, 2008, 12:36:26 pm
Does anyone have an opinion on Coach Gardner or Coach Meyer they wish to share.  I need a reason to think good thoughts about their program.  So far, all I have heard is negative.  Through experience, I agree.  Not worth much as people the way they treat their players.
Title: Re: Concordia University
Post by: Just Bill on February 14, 2008, 12:44:11 pm
1. There's a whole lot of Concordia Universities and Concordia Colleges.  You're going to have to me more specific.

2. The Terms of Service for this message board don't permit a thread to be started about a single team.  Take your question to "Concordia's" conference page and ask it there.
Title: Re: Concordia University
Post by: wetsu on February 14, 2008, 10:39:22 pm
I was refering to Concordia, Austin, TX.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 16, 2008, 01:51:52 am
UT Tyler took 2 games from Sul Ross State by scores of 5-1 and 9-1.

First Game:
Campbell picked up his 2nd win for the Patriots going 7 innings, 6 hits, 0 ER.
RF Andrew Damewood was 3-5 w/ a HR, 2 RBI
CF Chris Goss was 2-2, w/ 2 BBs

Second Game:
Holland got the win throwing 7 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 14Ks
SS Fox (1 run, 1 RBI), DH Harding (HR, 2 RBI) and 3B Towns (2 runs) were all 2-3


La Verne took 2 games from Texas Lutheran by socres of 4-3 and 14-6.

Bulldogs only had 4 hits in the first game.

In the second game PH/2B Miller was 2-2 with a 2B, and C Siniff was 1-3, w/ 2 RBIs

The teams combined for 11 errors in the two games.

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2008, 09:16:57 pm
TLU was swept again.  This time, it was Redlands.

It looks like TLU is looking for pitching.  In the twin double-headers this weekend, we saw several pitchers for the Bulldogs.

They lost 14-0 in the first game (http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2008baseball/tlu-ur1.htm).

They lost 18-10 in the second (http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2008baseball/tlu-ur2.htm).

Now TLU does not have a four-game weekend in the rest of the season, but it looks like that TLU is more vulnerable than last season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 16, 2008, 10:34:45 pm
TLU was swept again.  This time, it was Redlands.

It looks like TLU is looking for pitching.  In the twin double-headers this weekend, we saw several pitchers for the Bulldogs.

They lost 14-0 in the first game (http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2008baseball/tlu-ur1.htm).

They lost 18-10 in the second (http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2008baseball/tlu-ur2.htm).

Now TLU does not have a four-game weekend in the rest of the season, but it looks like that TLU is more vulnerable than last season.

I would say that without a doubt they're more vulnerable than last season, but I think that was inevitable (particularly early on) with the guys they lost.

When you lose an middle infield that hit .422 with 56 RBIs and .374 respectively (they also played great defense), in addition to losing two senior starters who went 15-1 last year and 26-8 in their careers on the bump you're losing a lot of talent and leadership.

Now with that said, there's no reason to push the panic button yet. The structure of the ASC is such that they won't need as much pitching as they did this weekend, albiet it still has to improve throughout the course of the season to compete atop the ASC.

With Logan Hull anchoring the front of that rotation they'll usually have a chance to win that game. While his ERA his his (5.00), he's been competitive giving up less hits than IP (opponents are hitting .242 against him).

Brad Wesson has also been solid out of the pen. It will be interesting to see who will emerge as the other rotation guys come ASC play.

What I like is that ALOT of guys are getting a chance to play ball early and if they can find the right mix of guys, create a competitive environment that pushes guys to excel in order to play, come conference play they'll be in the mix.

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 16, 2008, 10:43:49 pm
UT Tyler cancelled their game against Sul Ross, but added Jarvis Christian for Saturday.

Louisiana College cancelled their 3 game set with La Grange.

Schreiner/Southwestern pushed their DH to Sunday.

CUA and Trinity are supposed to play a DH tomorrow, and one Monday -- I believe.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2008, 10:49:19 pm
JSG, That strategy worked for Coach Iwasaki at Austin College last season.

He finally found a pitching staff by the time of the SCAC Tourney.

I think that McMurry will have mid-50's weather tomorrow.  The Abilene forecast tonight is for a high temperature of 57 with winds 20-30 MPH out of the WNW!!!!

Can we say Wrigley Field South?!?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on February 17, 2008, 04:36:48 pm


Also i noticed McMurry made a ton of errors in the Chapman series.  Did anyone get to see that series? 


I saw a little of the DH on Saturday. Chapman's bullpen is going to be in trouble if their starters cannot get deep in games. Yacko will never hold up if he has to throw 2-3 innings every game to close the door.

Why the hell not? They only play 3 games a week. It's not like up north.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 18, 2008, 01:28:56 am
 George Fox 18 - McMurry 2  (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcmgfu1.htm)

 George Fox 13 - McMurry 10 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcmgfu2.htm)

Obviously Coach Driggers was listening to me because he moved Franco to the two slot, unfortunately to no avail.

Yurchick was pretty solid in his return.

I've been surprised at how much Johnston has struggled, and Kyle Martin (who is essential to that bullpen -- McM's weakness the last couple of years). We'll see how Toombs throws against GFU tomorrow.

The West is beginning to look more and more like a toss up this year with McM and TLU struggling out of the gate (granted they've had tough schedules). CUA and UMHB seem to be playing pretty decent baseball. I'm still not sold on Hardin-Simmons and they haven't played anyone that's super indicative of what we can expect from them yet.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 18, 2008, 07:22:27 pm
McMurry defeated eorge Fox 14-6 today.  Franco hit two homeruns. McM improves to 2-4.

Tyler is 5-0 and Dallas is 3-0.

TLU is struggling early at 2-5.  It's going to be tough to repeat unless they start pitching and hitting a little bit.  My guess is they just haven't found a rythm yet by playing on the road so much early.  But who knows?  Their numbers don't look pretty.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 07:38:52 pm
But you can never count out a Coach Steve Coleman team....

If McMurry can find some pitching, then we know they can handle the ASC-West.

What I took from the McMurry games against Chapman and George Fox is that McMurry loses in the Consolation Round of the West Region playoffs at this point.  Maybe even two and out.

Chapman disposed of Cal Lutheran this weekend.  (I wish that we had won that series!   :-\)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 18, 2008, 07:42:44 pm
McMurry defeated eorge Fox 14-6 today.  Franco hit two homeruns. McM improves to 2-4.

Tyler is 5-0 and Dallas is 3-0.

TLU is struggling early at 2-5.  It's going to be tough to repeat unless they start pitching and hitting a little bit.  My guess is they just haven't found a rythm yet by playing on the road so much early.  But who knows?  Their numbers don't look pretty.

Couple of things.

1.)  McMurry can swing it, we knew that was the case before the season started. Both catchers are swinging it well. I'm not convinced Love or Morris are very good hitters though.

Ideal Offensive lineup for them might be: Yurchick (ss), Franco (2b), David (of), Vorhees (1b), Jackson (DH), Beckham (c), Derrick (3b) Whitten (of), Jones (of). This gets both catchers bats in the game, and takes David out of the INF where he's made entirely too many errors thus far this season. Probably not the most conducive lineup for defense, but wow would this one score some runs. There are very few D3 lineups where you can't take any hitters off.

2.) If McM wants to continue using Vorhees in the rotation and Curry coming out of the pen (this might've had to do with his suspension) this could work. That said, I suspect we'll see Curry as a starter and maybe Vorhees at the backend with Martin ?

Toombs coming and and proving himself as a rotation guy against Chapman and George Fox is huge for this pitching staff.

3.) UT Dallas seems to have filled some of the voids left by losing 7 very good offensive players from the previous year. The question for them might be how these guys match up against better pitching (they haven't seen much yet), and how their own team pitches. It seems Mark Cox has pitched 2 of their first 3 games. I mean the fact that he started and threw 4 innings on Wednesday and game back for a complete 7 on Sunday shows they're reluctant to use that staff. Maybe TR Dinwiddie will be a key cog.

4.) UTD and UTT really haven't played any significantly challenging teams yet, while both McM and TLU have played really tough non-conference schedules. TLU's were all on the road, and they're a young team. Are McM and TLU better teams than UTD and UTT? You couldn't get me to say that, but until we've witnessed a more complete body of work it's hard to start drawing conclusions.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 18, 2008, 11:34:36 pm
Concordia 6 4 2
Trinity       4 9 2

WP: Stephen Szkotak 6 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 2 K
LP: Michael Hunter  3 IP, 4 H, 6 ER, 4 BB, 3 K
S: Matt Aubry

Poffenroth pitched great in relief giving up 0 hits, 4 BBs, 5 Ks.
Both Hunter and Poffenroth a little trouble with control.

For Trinity:
SS Stosh Hoover was 1-2 w/ 1 run, 2 BBs
1B Jordan Pennington was 2-4 w/ 1 run, 2 2Bs, 1 RBI
3B Dominick Robusto was 2-3 w/ 1 BB, 1 run, 1 RBI

For Concordia:
SS Bryan Jacobs was 1-2, w/ 2 BBs, 2 runs
CF Patrick Mercer 2-5 w/ 1 run, 4 RBIs, 1 3B
LF Tom Williams had 5 BBs

Great series win for Concordia.

Trinity started 5 freshman, 4 from Cali and 1 from British Columbia.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 21, 2008, 02:40:04 pm
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on February 21, 2008, 08:32:46 pm
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 22, 2008, 12:26:43 am
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.

Because 3 of their 5 wins were against teams that a 5A high school team could compete with the other two coming against a declining program in Texas Weslyan and Trinity who is always a challenge an this would be their only quality win.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2008, 01:06:56 am
Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.

While I tend to agree that their schedule has been relatively soft thus far, and that's partially the reason for their 5-0 start (hey, Schreiner started like 8-1 last year), UMHB is actually a team on the rise.  They were a playoff team last year and have consistently become a better program over the last 3-4 years.

Villegas is the real deal and I'm still laughing at the fact the ASC coaches/SIDs voted Colton Hermes freshman of the year over him.

Offensively the top of that order is very solid, and they'll run and put pressure on a defense as well.

It will come down to pitching for them. Garza is really solid and if Tumlinson, Montoya and others continue throwing well they'll be a tough team to beat.

Honestly, I'm not really surprised with anyone's start so far. Did I think TLU would be 2-5, no probably not, but I figured probably 4-3 at the best. They've played 3 tough teams all on the road, including 4 out west with a thin pitching staff.

They have to improve in facets of the game, but they're a really young team.

McMurry's had a tough schedule, CUA has also had a relatively tough schedule despite the fact that the TWU and the HBU games don't count for anything in the regional rankings.

I'm not forgetting Coleman's Cowboys either, but they haven't played anyone I'm familiar enough with to get a good read on them yet. I know they have pretty decent arms and Blake Stepp. We'll see if those Tomball freshman can keep swinging hot sticks.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2008, 11:46:16 am
My unspoken fear of "not enough arms*" at McMurry is showing itself.


* "You can never be too blonde, too rich or have too much pitching.  -- The Baseball Pundit."

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on February 22, 2008, 01:38:55 pm
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.

Because 3 of their 5 wins were against teams that a 5A high school team could compete with the other two coming against a declining program in Texas Weslyan and Trinity who is always a challenge an this would be their only quality win.

So that's one more quality win than UT-Tyler has right now?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 22, 2008, 01:56:56 pm
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.

Because 3 of their 5 wins were against teams that a 5A high school team could compete with the other two coming against a declining program in Texas Weslyan and Trinity who is always a challenge an this would be their only quality win.

So that's one more quality win than UT-Tyler has right now?

This is very much true!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2008, 11:38:22 pm
UMHB 6 - East Texas Baptist 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/022208-a.htm)
Sul Ross 4 - UT Dallas 2 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/BOXES08/b7srsu1.htm)
UT Dallas 9 - Sul Ross 0 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/BOXES08/b8srsu2.htm)
Texas Lutheran 13 - LeTourneau 2 (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/tlulet1.htm)
Hardin Simmons 9 - Mississippi College 8 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/hsubsb6.html)
Ozarks 10 - Schreiner 1 (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/baseball/Results/Results%2008/022208bs.htm)
Howard Payne 5 - Louisiana College 3 (http://www.hputx.edu/s/668/images/editor_documents/SID%20Documents/BB/bb8g8.htm)
UT Tyler vs. Concordia is a late game...

Perhaps a bit of commentary later...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 23, 2008, 12:26:29 am
CTX 9, UTT 8 in 10 innings ... and here is how the winning run was scored.

In the bottom of the tenth, Concordia's leadoff man singled, then the next batter sac-bunted him to second. Then, Texas-Tyler's coach had his pitcher intentionally walk the next guy...but the pitcher bounced the first intentional ball in the grass and Concordia's runner went to third on the wild pitch. After that intentional walk was done (with another near wild pitch on the fourth ball), the coach called for another IBB to load the bases with one out. The Patriots' pitcher, now free to pitch normally but with his rhythm thrown off, IMO, by the consecutive IBB's, then walks in the winning run on four pitches.

Concordia used 4 pitchers, and UTT used 6. Concordia also left 18 runners on. Yes, 18.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 23, 2008, 01:00:14 am
Big game for Chad Thielepape, and a solid job by the CUA pitching staff. Congrats to the Tornadoes on that win (though it doesn't count towards ASC records like their box score indicates.)

How was the zone CUAfan?

I just ask b/c Campbell had walked 1 to 10Ks in in previous two starts.

In retrospect do you think UT Tyler should've stayed with Zeigler rather than go to Wolfe there in the 8th?

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 23, 2008, 09:33:31 am
It's hard to say about the zone, as I didn't have a really good angle on it. It did seem a little inconsistent though. I thought it was odd given Campbell's track record this year, but then CTX was making good contact and getting guys on with regularity, so maybe he just had an off-night?

I didn't really have an issue with taking Zeigler out. He'd been in for 3+ innings and his pitch count had to be getting up there, and he did seem to be losing a little, so taking him out made sense. No one thought Wolfe would do as poorly as he did, so IMO it only looks bad in hindsight.

It will be interesting to see how the games today go. If CTX can hang with UTT in both games today, it bodes well for their conference schedule.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 09:54:46 am
...
It will be interesting to see how the games today go. If CTX can hang with UTT in both games today, it bodes well for their conference schedule.
It bodes well now.

The ASC-West is now a five-team race, CTX, HSU, McM, TLU, UMHB (in alphabetical order).

And I saw that SRSU beat a respectable UT-Dallas team.  Holding UT-Dallas to 2 runs either means great SRSU pitching from Jaime Rojo or no UT-Dallas offense.  (We know that pitcher Mark Cox for UT-Dallas is potentially a very good one this year.) 

If SRSU or HPU or Schreiner pick up a hot pitcher, then that just made sweeping the series on a "weak sister" that much harder!

This will be a fun race!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 23, 2008, 01:32:41 pm
Just FYI - all staffed home games at McMurry (which is most home games) will be available with live stats.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 23, 2008, 04:49:32 pm
Then, Texas-Tyler's coach had his pitcher intentionally walk the next guy...but the pitcher bounced the first intentional ball in the grass and Concordia's runner went to third on the wild pitch.

I'm just curious, because its been a while since I played at the college level, but I thought at the college level you didn't actually have to throw the intentional balls.  I thought you just had to declare that you wanted to intentionally walk the batter, and then they could take their base.  If that is the case, then I would say that was a huge oversight by the coach.  But if not, then maybe that is something they should work on in practice.  I know as a former catcher, that I hated dealing with intentional walks because pitchers were notorious for throwing at my feet, and that is tough to deal with when you are standing upright.  I personally think it is something that is easily overlooked in practice, but still necessary, as it can be costly and demoralizing to give up bases and runs over something so seemingly easy as an intentional ball. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 07:15:57 pm
McMurry 6, Austin College 1.  Game 1
McMurry 20, Austin College 5. Game 2.

McMurry scored 10 earned runs in the second inning of Game 2, as Curry got the win and Stephens takes the loss for AC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on February 23, 2008, 08:15:14 pm
Just FYI - all staffed home games at McMurry (which is most home games) will be available with live stats.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball

Does this include non-McMurry games?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on February 24, 2008, 01:11:32 am
McMurry has plenty of arms, just walks are  killing them right now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2008, 08:13:59 am
McMurry has plenty of arms, just walks are  killing them right now.
Greetings McM Gangster!

Welcome to the message boards!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 24, 2008, 12:00:37 pm
Just FYI - all staffed home games at McMurry (which is most home games) will be available with live stats.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball

Does this include non-McMurry games?

Do you mean neutral games at McMurry's site?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 26, 2008, 06:41:43 pm
Southwestern defeats Texas Lutheran 9-0

W: Wes Willis 9 IP, 5 H, 0 BB, 2 HBP, 9Ks
L: Jeremy Wilhelm 4.2 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 1 K

SU:
Richard Falcone 3-4, 3 runs, 1 RBI, 1 SB
Michael Murphy 1-3, 1 run, 2 RBI, 2 BB
Blake Williams 2-5, 4 RBI
Eric Gonzalez 2-3, 1 run, 1 RBI

TLU:
Kyle Harvey 1-4, 2 SB

Bulldogs make 3 more errors, all on the middle infield.
Had some opportunities for clutch 2 out hits with runners in scoring position from key players in the 1st, 2nd and 5th innings but were unable to convert.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 01:40:11 am
McM 10, ETBU 3.  Johnston gets the win for McMurry.

UOzarks 9, UMHB 1 (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/baseball/stats/2008/umhb.htm). Todd Koch pitches 7 scoreless innings for the Eagles.  He gives up 3 hits 2 BB's and strikes out 9, facing 27 batters.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 02, 2008, 08:45:43 am
Just FYI - all staffed home games at McMurry (which is most home games) will be available with live stats.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball

Does this include non-McMurry games?

Do you mean neutral games at McMurry's site?

I mean games not involving McMurry that are played at Driggers Field. However you want to phrase that.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 02, 2008, 01:47:14 pm
probably not except for if we were to host the ASC Tourney and we will have a live stats set up for the regional this year, but not sure if we will use ICS as it will cost a good bit of money when we can do the basic HTML live stats for free - even though it won't look or function as sharply.

Another note - kinda got swept under the rug with all the basketball tournaments going around. McMurry's Brent Voorhees became the ASC's all-time leader in both home runs and RBI in the same day Saturday. He passed David White of Concordia-Austin in both categories. Stats were unofficial for the weekend b/c ETBU SID was not there - but Voorhees should be at 40 HR and 169 RBI. White had 38 HR and 167 RBI for the Tornados from 2001-2004.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 02, 2008, 04:24:51 pm
Concordia sweeps LU in its three game series by a large margin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 03, 2008, 11:53:38 pm
Concordia 17
Desalles    10  F

Williams hits his 9th longball. Cold night in Austin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 09:37:45 am
HSU 3, Trinity 2 (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/).
Please find the game story and box score on the page and click.  :)

Great win!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 06, 2008, 12:01:41 pm
Just FYI - Hardin-Simmons vs. McMurry series moved Friday's single game to Sunday at 2 p.m. Saturday doubleheader is still at 1 p.m.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 06, 2008, 02:38:35 pm
Abilene Reporter News Article on Brent Voorhees for breaking ASC record in homers and RBI.

http://reporternews.com/news/2008/mar/05/voorhees-a-hit-for-mcmurry-baseball/ (http://reporternews.com/news/2008/mar/05/voorhees-a-hit-for-mcmurry-baseball/)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 06, 2008, 06:31:08 pm
Congrats to Brent Vorhees on your indiviual accomplishments.  David White is one of my closest friends and I called him last weekend as soon as the press release came out and informed him of his 2nd place status...he told me that "I had ruined his day"  ... Brent you should be honored that you broke his records and most likely earned season tickets in his dome b/c im sure he will lose some sleep over the fact that he can nothing about it now.  On another note you told a reporter that you had "no idea what you had done"  I find this a little hard to believe given the fact that you are a Math Major with a 3.91 GPA ... you and I both know you are a STAT-HOUND and you couldnt sleep until you achieved this feat.  Dont be selfish, this is a team sport.  But its in the records book now and you should be able to sleep better.  Now get focused and go help your team win, after all you guys are hosting the West Regional this year and it would be very disappointing If I show up and the Indians only participation in the tournament is selling programs and raking the field.  Remember what coach Driggers said in the newspaper "you could be a better hitter if you would just stay back and wait on pitches"  ... STAY BACK!!!  but dont stay back too long because I would hate for you to get jammed in all that cold weather you guys have there, it might sting a bit.  GO GET 'EM


Whats in the water in Belton, Texas?  I think the UMHB Crusaders baseball team needs to be tested for elevated testosterone levels or HGH use.  They must have bought a new pitching machine in the off-season.  Their successful start of the 2008 season is unbelievable .... until you take a look at who they've beat, then its completely believable.  I think they got their schedules confused with Belton High School.  Will someone please tell them that a 4A state title does not give them an automatic birth to the West Regional @ McMurry, although I'm sure the Indians could use some extra help getting the field ready for all those other teams.  I know guys want some hardware to put in the empty glass cabinets next to the Conference Championship trophy your Basketball Team just earned, but trust me when I say that noone would respect a 4A baseball state title trophy on your shelf.  Perhaps you guys arent aware since you lost your NCAA schedule but you start conference this weekend....please do not let Sul Ross State Sneak up on you.  Follow in Justin Champion's foot steps and rub some eye-black all over face so will have your game face on and pack a sack lunch.

T-L-WHO?  TLU suffered a heart breaking loss this week to Wabash University Little Giants - Liberal Arts School for Men.  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.  Just the sound of that when I read it out loud makes me want to puke all over my keyboard and monitor.  Bulldogs aren't supposed to be defeated by Little Giants.  I know John Krog was unable to play his 10th consecutive season in the ASC but that doesnt give you guys the right to just fall apart at the seams. You had also be thanking GOD that Coach Miller isnt still at the helm or you guys would still be running wind sprints.  We all know that real men are honest and admit the truth to themselves when they look in the mirror.  I want all Bulldogs and all Bulldog baseball fans to get up right now and go into the bathroom and look in the mirror and repeat this statement: "WABASH UNIVERSITY, A LIBERAL ARTS SCHOOL FOR MEN, BEAT US.  THE LITTLE GIANTS EMBARRASSED US ON OUR OWN TURF AND IN FRONT OF OUR GIRLFRIENDS AND PARENTS.  WE ARE SO LUCKY COACH MILLER IS THE AD AND NOT OUR HEAD COACH OR WE WOULD STILL BE RUNNING WIND SPRINTS.  WE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER THE WAY THIS MAKE US FEEL AND WILL NOT EMBARRASS OURSELVES, OUR UNIVERSITY, OUR FRIENDS, OUR FAMILIES, OUR GIRLFRIENDS, AND THE ASC BY EVER LETTING A LIBERAL ARTS SCHOOL FOR MEN OR A TEAM REFERRED TO AS THE LITTLE GIANTS EVER BEAT US AGAIN."  Dont you feel better that you said it out loud?  I dont, I still want to puke, but hopefully.  Now tighten up your jock-straps b/c you are headed down to Austin this weekend, and be sure to pack your left-handed fungos and pearls for batting practice as it will be your last attempt to pepper I H-35 during batting practice due to campus being moved next year.

stirring the pot,
HAMBONE
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 11:15:52 pm
Good post, Hambone!  :D

Welcome to the message boards!  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 07, 2008, 12:51:36 am
I enjoyed the post as well and couldn't help but snicker at the Justin Champion comment. I thought it was a LITTLE snarky for a former CUA Sportsmanship Award Recipient though. Seriously though, I thought it brought a little flavor to the board, particularly because I feel like Ralph and I are always trying to be so "politically correct."

Without 16 guys on the roster from Deer Park, White and Krog peppering the building in RF, and Steve Smith throwing his 107th slider, it might not feel like the same ole CUA-TLU rivalry.

My prediction: Logan Hull and TLU take game 1, then CUA sweeps the Saturday games.

Best of luck to both teams ...

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 07, 2008, 11:55:16 am
Thanks for the warm welcome gents.  Just for the record, I have the upmost respect for Brent Voorhees, Head Coach Lee Driggers, the McMurry Indians, John Krog, Former Head Coach Bill Miller, the Texas Lutheran Bulldogs, Justin Champion, and UMHB.  I certainly have no intentions of showing any levels of disrespect for any of these people or programs, and I wish the best of luck to everyone as the ASC kicks off conference play this weekend.  Now for my bashing of the Wabash program, I do apologize....but lets be real, it was funny.  Now as mentioned, I was a 2004 recipient of the ASC Sportsmanship Award and I believe 100% in Karma on the baseball diamond, this is my formal apology for now and for later posts that taken out of context so that I am not hit in the forehead with a foul ball.


Now on to real business....its 100% sunny and clear in Austin, Texas this morning.  Tonight should be fairly chili but clear and that means the wind will definately be blowing out towrds left-center field.  The 2002 West Division Champs, ASC Conference Champs, West Regional Champs, and Div III World Series squad will be honored before the start of the game.  So if anyone that reads this message board can make it out, come join us as we get together, most likely for the last time beore the field we built with are bare hands is leveled.

Best of luck to everyone this season.  And speak out loud on this message board. lets get as many former players and fans involved as possible, as this is a great place for everyone to stay connected at the click of a button.

HAMBONE
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 07, 2008, 11:59:22 am
Williams is a triple crown threat! With a cold northern in Austin, lack of pitching from TLU.... should be another slugfest with Williams hitting 3!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 07, 2008, 02:16:21 pm
Williams is a triple crown threat! With a cold northern in Austin, lack of pitching from TLU.... should be another slugfest with Williams hitting 3!

I wouldn't claim that either team has very much depth on the mound.

TLU's weekend starters actually have a collective ERA (4.66) a bit lower than Concordia's weekend starters (5.26).

I'm using who I'd anticipate both teams throwing this weekend:
CUA - Morrison, Whiteley, Szkotak
TLU - Hull, McGinley, Segura

Now provided it's tied late in the game you probably have to give the edge to CUA because Aubry has been better Conley or Wesson for TLU.

Both teams are fielding at the .942 clip and struggling, particularly on the left side.

CUA is hitting .312, while TLU is hitting .310.

Statistically speaking these two teams look relatively equal at the plate. That said, I think Concordia is the better offensive team right now. Jacobs and Mercer are doing a great job getting on the sack and we're all aware of what Williams is doing. Despite the fact that Wernecke and Thielepape aren't hitting for a high average they are providing pop in the middle of that Tornado order -- 9 HRs, 46 RBIs between them

TLU's 4 and 5 spots 4 HRs and 26 RBIs between them. That's a pretty big discrepancy even in spite of the difference in the team's respective home parks.

If you forced me to pick I'd still say TLU wins game 1 behind Logan Hull, but that CUA takes both Saturday games at home.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 07, 2008, 03:44:32 pm
thats a pretty good scouting report JSG.  that extensive thought process of hitters tendencies and pitchers results does mean a lot, however you missed an important stat...whats the tornados record of Fri night conference games at home?  im not sure of the exact #'s, but there isnt very many losses mixed in that fraction... just some food for thought.

Home Field Advantage - Concordia blows them out tonight.  Game 2 could go either way once tlu gets used to all their surroundings.  Game 3 CU.  of course only time will tell.  I believe TLU swept CU in Seguine last year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 07, 2008, 11:21:13 pm
Texas Lutheran defeated Concordia 8-7

TLU scored 8 runs on 11 hits and had 3 errors.
CUA scored 7 runs on 4 hits and the box score has 0 errors (but I would argue that Williams' throw to 3rd base on Femath's single that allowed Harvey to score on the hit-n-run play was an error.)

Logan Hull (4-1) earned the win for the Bulldogs going 7 innings and giving up 4 runs (1 was earned) on 3 hits, 5 BB, 5K.

Robert Conley worked the final two innings gave up 3 runs on 1 hit (3 run blast by Williams in the bottom of the 9th after giving up 1 BB and 1 HBP).

Ethan Morrison (1-2) got the loss for Concordia. He tossed 6 innings, gave up 6 runs (5 ER) on 7 hits. He issed 3 walks and recorded 6 Ks.

Andrew Femath was 3-5 with 1 run scored and 2 RBI.
Kyle Harvey was 1-2 with a solo HR in the first, 1 BB and 2 HBP. He scored 4 times and swiped a bag bringing his season total to 14 SBs. Joe Genry was 2-5 with a solo HR of his own.

Tom Williams went 2-4 with 2 more HRs (bringing his season total to 11). After watching him last night I'm convinced he isn't just a product of that park. He's a really talented hitter in the middle of that Tornado order.


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 08, 2008, 04:22:26 pm
Concordia 13-16-1
4-4-3

Concordia defeated Texas Lutheran 13-4.

         R   H   E
CUA: 13-16-1
TLU:    4-4-3

Patrick Mercer homered from Concordia and I think Justin Beasley added 2 HR.

TLU just doesn't seem to have much depth on the bump after Logan Hull.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 08, 2008, 08:37:57 pm
Concordia takes rubber match 11-8 in a TLU slopfest, 5 errors. Really a sloppy game, and Concordia's bullpen wasnt at its best either. I guess Miller saw this coming, calling its quits last year. TLU is still a solid team that can bounce back and compete throughout the yearfor a playoff run.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 08:44:03 pm
McM splits with HSU today.

HSU 6, McM 5
McM 16 HSU 1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 08, 2008, 10:25:36 pm
If you forced me to pick I'd still say TLU wins game 1 behind Logan Hull, but that CUA takes both Saturday games at home.

JSG

Ahem. ;-)

Perhaps these are things the Bulldogs can fix and perhaps they're in for a tough year where they have to claw just to make the playoffs. In my mind, they are probably the 5th best team in the ASC right now.

They don't pitch that well after Logan Hull, they play awful defense and they're not very timely when they need to be at the plate. The last one is one that they can probably fix because I think they definitely have the means to be a good offensive team. Speaking of which, the way Miller has swung it off the bench (he was 0-4 in the one recent start he's had) do they find a place for him in the lineup? Maybe in left ?

McMurry comes to town next weekend so there's not much time to figure things out.

I think if you're Burnett you just you just ask your whole staff who wants the ball, who can get battle and get me a win and put it in the guy's hand who's most convincing.

As Miller goes, I think it has a lot LESS to do with what he saw coming as a result of his personnel and a lot lot MORE about some other things. They knew the staff would be fairly thin, but Hembree (1.88 ERA, .143 against), Conley (2.52 ERA, .233 against), Wesson (3.86 ERA) and Yager (8-1) were all better a year ago. Also, did they really anticipate Jake Kaase going high enough to actually go to the MiLB?

As far as CUA goes, they're not all that great on the mound either, but they seem to be put together a little better. In spite of the similar Fielding %, they seem to play better D and props to Gardner for going and getting a big bat in Williams that really solidifies the middle of that order and gives them something they've missed in these last two down years or so they've had.

Where do they fall in with respect to the ASC? McMurry's still my favorite and I think whomever pitches better out of the CUA/UMHB is probably second behind them, but I think HSU is fairly inter-changeable in that mix as well (but are going to struggle to log solid innings from their starters). The ASC should be a whole lot of fun to watch this year.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 09, 2008, 01:50:54 am
Lousiana College took a pair of one-run games from UT Dallas Saturday.

Game One Box (http://www.lcwildcats.net/sports/baseball/2008/lcvsutd1.htm)
Game Two Box (http://www.lcwildcats.net/sports/baseball/2008/lcvsutd2.htm)

With the exception of a pretty sub-par performance against Howard Payne LA College starter Craig Naquin has been very solid.  He moves to 3-1 w/ a 3.33 ERA, 26Ks in 27 IP and a .253 avg against.

I was surprised to see them get the best of Cox, who really pitched well enough for a win. He gave up all three runs with two outs in the 5th.

Barrett Morgan has been sensational for LA College in relief.

Drew Waggoner certainly turned in a fairly solid start for UT Dallas. I still think they need some more pitching depth (but we can say that about almost every team in the ASC) after Cox, especially because of all the guys they lost offensively despite the fact some of those guys have swung well this year thus far.

They have faced some really soft pitching though so this could be  a sign of things to come against the better pitching teams like UT Tyler and Ozarks in the East.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 09, 2008, 03:05:59 am
McM splits with HSU today.

HSU 6, McM 5
McM 16 HSU 1.

In the first game, HSU did EXACTLY what they have to do to defeat a team like McMurry. They got guys out they're supposed to get out and they kept Yurchick off base in front of the big guys. They let the big guys get theirs and they gave up a big inning, but they got the ball to Barton & Alcorn late and let them do their jobs.

That said, it was only a 7 inning game -- can the starters consistently get them deep enough to hand it off to those two?

Hardin-Simmons also swung it well against Johnston who did strike out 10 Cowboys, but relenquished 5 ER on 12 hits. Weeks, Stepp, Gage, Sellari and Armstrong all had two hits a piece.

Derek David was 3-3 and Stephen Derrick was 1-2 with a 3 run HR for McMurry.


In the second game Cody Curry was dominating going 7 innings, giving up 1 ER on 2 hits, and 4Ks. He did issue 5 BB.

Sweatman didn't pitch great for HSU, but Roten gave up 6 ER in 1.1 and that's when it got really ugly.

McMurry's 2-5 hitters combined to go 14-23 with 10 runs scored and 11 RBI. Weston Franco, Ross Shores and PH Jake Mullin all left the yard.

I'm guessing you'll see Tim Kriegel for the Cowboys tomorrow. We can discuss this issue when the time comes, but eventually you might see Kyle Barton have to try his role as a starter again if there's a battle for the 4th playoff spot out West.

For McMurry I suspect you'll see Arnold Toombs unless he's hurt (he didn't pitch much against ETBU last weekend and wasn't throwing that bad as far as I can tell.) If he's hurt, they almost have to go with Vorhees.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 09, 2008, 03:23:13 am
In other ASC action:

Mississippi College 2 - LeTourneau 0 (http://www.gochoctaws.com/sports/baseball/2008/letvsmc1.htm)

Jonathan Russell threw a 9 inning CG shut-out giving up 3 hits and striking out 7. Brannon Walls was 2-4 with an RBI.

------------

Howard Payne took 2 of 3 from Schreiner.


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UMHB 1 - Sul Ross 0 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/030808-a.htm)

R.B. Garza threw 7 inning CG shut-out giving up 3 hits and striking out 5. Jamie Rojo pitched well for Sul Ross, holding the high octane UMHB offense to 5 hits and 1 unearned run.


UMHB 10 - Sul Ross 1 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/030808-b.htm)

The the first five hitters for the Cru went 15-22.


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In other action, UT Tyler swept two games (including an extra inning game) from Austin College in non-ASC action.

Box Score One (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-14b.htm)
Box Score Two (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-15b.htm)

JSG








Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 05:31:28 pm
McM took the series over HSU today with 5-3 win.  Toombs went 5+ innings (95 pitches) for the win and Martin got a 4-inning save.  Alcorn took the loss for the Cowboys.

Wow!  The West looks like it is a tough five-team race.

And, as I said earlier, it looks like every team in the West has enough pitching to cause problems.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 09, 2008, 06:22:06 pm
And, as I said earlier, it looks like every team in the West has enough pitching to cause problems.

Ralph,

You mean a lack of pitching depth in the West ?

I think McMurry (and the jury is still out on UMHB) is the only team that can say that have a legitimately sound starting rotation at this point.

Despite Alcorn getting touched up a bit - HSU has two very solid bullpen guys, but haven't shown they have the starters to get them to the end of a game.

Concordia has a better starting staff than HSU, but other than Aubry, who like Alcorn got touched up a bit this weekend, I don't know how much depth they have out of the pen. Morrison hasn't been all that impressive as a #1 and until Szkotak's solid performance against TLU he'd been less than impressive.

With all due respect to the Howard Payne's, Schreiner's and Sul Ross's of the world -- there's lots of guys that can shut those teams down.

TLU has been pretty bad with the exception of Logan Hull. I envisioned the end of their bullpen with Wesson, Yager and Conley alot like Hardin-Simmons' has been with Alcorn and Barton, but that hasn't been the case.

Looking foward to next weekend:
McMurry vs. Texas Lutheran
Hardin Simmons vs. UMHB

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 09, 2008, 06:50:47 pm
Hambone--

I always need to hear a remark about the elder statesman Krog and his 10 year service to the American Southwest Conference (especially since I just heard about this site this week).  I was glad to see that a McMurry player took some of those records back, even though D. White is a good guy.  Hambone, thanks for the humor, which sounds remarkably like a guy I used to work baseball camps with back in the day that shared the same last name as me, and his father also had the exact name as my dad.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 10:16:38 pm
And, as I said earlier, it looks like every team in the West has enough pitching to cause problems.

Ralph,

You mean a lack of pitching depth in the West ?

Half empty, half full.  :)

From a partisan McMurry point of view... Jaime Rojo could mess up my weekend very easily!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 01:23:51 pm
I was @ the TLU/CUA....I mean CTX series and I learned a few things:

*Not the rivalry it use to be
*Tom Williams is The Real Deal and might hit 28 HR
*Logan Hull is descent #1
*TLU won Game 1, but act like you've been there before. You have represented the ASC in the Regionals the past 3 years, I hope you didn't act like that there. It was quite pothetic. 
*JSG either has a ton of Frequent Flier Miles or spends too much time on the computer. It is nice to know what is going on in the Conference, but damn I got home from the CTX game Friday night only to see a full summary of the game. I did notice that when TLU won, the summary was much longer than when CTX put their beat down on. Must be a Bulldog.

It looks like this year we are going to see a lot of Offense from most of the teams around the ASC. It should be a very fun season to follow.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 01:37:05 pm
I talk about just_some_guy being on the site sooo much, however I put a shortcut on my desktop to link me straight to d3sports.com and will become a regular. I dont follow all the teams so keep it up JSG, we do appreciate your dedication.

003
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 01:41:14 pm
I don't wont to be on Junior Varsity any more, how many post before I see a little playing time.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 01:44:51 pm
Welcome aboard.  The posts just add up over the years (8 years in my case).

I will appreciate any game reports and links that your SID may have sent.

We have a great race in the West again.

Which team do you follow, Bman3?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 06:27:25 pm
I am a Proud Concordia University Alumni!!!! I feel the ASC Conference does not get the respect it should. It is nice to see some of the teams venturing out to other various West Region teams. However, I would like to see more games against some North East Yankee teams. I think beating up on these teams would help gain some notoriety. They have NO RESPECT for DIII basbeall in the South. This has to change! Our Conference is deep. We beat each other up all year and some of the Conference Champions in the North couldn't hold our jock strap!!!

003
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 06:29:36 pm
what does the karma counter mean?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 07:06:42 pm
I was @ the TLU/CUA....I mean CTX series and I learned a few things:

*Not the rivalry it use to be
*Tom Williams is The Real Deal and might hit 28 HR
*Logan Hull is descent #1
*TLU won Game 1, but act like you've been there before. You have represented the ASC in the Regionals the past 3 years, I hope you didn't act like that there. It was quite pothetic. 
*JSG either has a ton of Frequent Flier Miles or spends too much time on the computer. It is nice to know what is going on in the Conference, but damn I got home from the CTX game Friday night only to see a full summary of the game. I did notice that when TLU won, the summary was much longer than when CTX put their beat down on. Must be a Bulldog.

It looks like this year we are going to see a lot of Offense from most of the teams around the ASC. It should be a very fun season to follow.



Bman3, J_S_G is a wealth of very good and objective information not only for the ASC, but for all DIII's in TX including Southwestern and Trinity.
He then provides additional insight to bring in the schools in the SCIAC, the NWC and also the independents including Chapman and Cal St. East Bay.
I have had some suspicions that he must be a former or current coach. He  gets information that does not exist at the DIII level, unless you make a lot of calls and talk to a lot of people(the other option of travelling to all these places seems to rule itself out) He also has plenty of history since he knew things about our son quite well, and ours graduated in 2004.
I would not worry whether he is from TLU or someplace else. The information is quite solid, as you can tell by his pick in the opening TLU/CTX game, and every post is darn middle of the road.  If he has a bias, it sure hasn't shown in the last 18 months that I have been reading.
In summary, I wouldn't worry.  J_S_G provides fun reading for the entire West Region that is awfully good and reliable.
I am hoping J_S_G keeps it coming because the season is really only now starting to come together.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:32:38 pm
whoa, chill out Bman3.  that tone sounds pretty serious.  I believe its safe to say that there are a lot of teams that could not hold your jock strap or even want to since you are a dude...ask me to hold a sports bra and you might get a different response!  I agree with the lack of respect or coverage of D3 teams from the south, but with a majority of these teams in CA, TX, LA, and MS its safe to say the majority tend to follow all of the D1 power houses that fill these states.  I believe its also safe to say that a majority of the successful D1 programs in the North East are in sports other than Baseball that D3 baseball gets more respect due to the higher levels of success.  I think there are a lot of great teams that fall through the cracks each year, but i think you would have to agree that it means there is a high level of competition in the West region making it a great place to play some hardball.  The greatest factor would have to be the weather in the south, which is why most of us are able to play year round.

on another note...the ASC is off in full swing!  The ASC west looks like it will be a tough race to conf tournament this year.  overall it appears that the team that out hits there own pitching will prevail.  There doesnt seem to be any team with a solid staff or a bull pen with much depth.  Team Pitching and Team Fielding for most of the clubs are less than respectable, but that should make it fun to watch.  HPU and TLU both made double digit errors in last weekends series, but it appears both are capable of beating anyone they face if they hit on all cylinders.  Its going to be every bit of a 5 team race in the West.  I dont foresee many 3 game sweeps this year, and none of the contenders can afford to let SU or SRSU take a win.  

McMurry takes on TLU in Seguine, UMHB goes to Abilene for HSU, and CTX makes the trip to Brownwood.  I think its safe to safe there will be some blood shed this weekend with TLU and HSU coming off a losing weekend, they are both @ home playing West contenders and will have there dukes up to defend their turf.  CTX will face a scrappy team from HPU that seems to be a very agressive ball club, just not very good. They dont appear very savvy on defense making 12 errors last weekend and their catchers have a combined 16 passed balls this season.  with that big ball park it will be interesting to see what happens.  My senior year ('04)we were victim of a no/no on friday from a senior on senior weekend...the next day we beat them into submission and i tatooed the archery barn twice....Lord those were the good ole days and I wish i were in the middle of this competition thid year.  best of luck to all the teams this week and Bman3 it looks like there is a pitcher from Ozarks that might give your strikeout records a run for your money...you had 14 twice in 2 different 9 inning complete game performances...Curt Dixon had 14 in 5.2 innings!  Damn Gina.  It was probably against the Arkansas School for the Blind though, he cant hold your jock strap!

HAMBONE
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 07:51:48 pm
I am a Proud Concordia University Alumni!!!! I feel the ASC Conference does not get the respect it should. It is nice to see some of the teams venturing out to other various West Region teams. However, I would like to see more games against some North East Yankee teams. I think beating up on these teams would help gain some notoriety. They have NO RESPECT for DIII basbeall in the South. This has to change! Our Conference is deep. We beat each other up all year and some of the Conference Champions in the North couldn't hold our jock strap!!!

003

Nice idea but it won't happen.
Even if it did, it won't get what you want.
The primary reason is the East and North teams do come South and West, but they come when the teams in TX have played 5-15 games and been outdoors since January and the North/East teams are outdoors for the first time.
It won't happen later in the year when the South and West are done because the North and East are playing 4-5 games per week to complete their schedules.
Suffice to say, when our son played in the NECBL, we got to see a fair number of ECSU players and others from top DIII' places  in the North, East  and Midwest.
Those guys can play.
They also don't have the DI, DII and Juco programs that drain off so much talent in Tx and CA.
I agree with your premise that Tx DIII, including the SCAC schools, is terrific baseball.  With the West Regional finally returning to Texas this year, let's hope they show it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:52:59 pm
Bman3 im not sure what the Karma counter is for.  can some of you veterans please explain this to us?  thanks.  Im gonna head over to the national topics and stir the pot now.  this should be fun firing up those yankees!  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:54:10 pm
welcome to the board mcm505
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:54:52 pm
welcome back Blackcat00....enlighten us with your thoughts today!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 07:56:40 pm
Bman3 im not sure what the Karma counter is for.  can some of you veterans please explain this to us?  thanks.  Im gonna head over to the national topics and stir the pot now.  this should be fun firing up those yankees! 

If you want some action, cut and paste Bman3's post on Tx DIII's not getting enough respect in the National section.
Wait some and either later tonight or tomorrow morning, Spence with have the pot bubbling at a scalding level.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:58:37 pm
infielddad welcome.  do you follow CTX or TLwho?  

you are correct when you state that TOm Williams is in fact the Real deal....and the beautiful part about it is that he is the real deal from both sides of the plate.  This kid can swing the pole and there is not one bit of chili or mustard dripping from his uniform.  he displays himself as a class act and absolutely destroys the baseball from both sides of the plate.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 08:07:25 pm
I follow all of them, but our son graduated from Trinity, so I follow them the most!!
Since we live in CA, I also try and see all the  teams whenever they come to Northern CA , along with seeing Cal State East Bay along the way.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 10, 2008, 08:41:33 pm
McMurry beats UT Tyler in a hard fought game 11-8
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 08:41:47 pm
i love what JSG is doing as i stated in an earlier post. i just dont know how he does it so quickly and so thoroughly.
i wish CTX got to play Trinity and Southwestern more often. What Conference are they in?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 08:43:11 pm
I follow all of them, but our son graduated from Trinity, so I follow them the most!!
Since we live in CA, I also try and see all the  teams whenever they come to Northern CA , along with seeing Cal State East Bay along the way.


if your son graduated in '04 im sure myself and Bman3 played against him.  i graduated in '04 and Bman3 in '03.  Was your son apart of the 2002 squad we played in the regional championship game @ southwestern?  I hope you enjoyed watching the CTX vs TLU game @ Keller-Fascholz Field as it will be torn down before the end of the season.  what a tragedy.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 10, 2008, 08:50:20 pm
i love what JSG is doing as i stated in an earlier post. i just dont know how he does it so quickly and so thoroughly.
i wish CTX got to play Trinity and Southwestern more often. What Conference are they in?

They are in the SCAC I believe with Rohdes Milsaps Autsin College and im not sure who else
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 10, 2008, 08:56:06 pm
i love what JSG is doing as i stated in an earlier post. i just dont know how he does it so quickly and so thoroughly.
i wish CTX got to play Trinity and Southwestern more often. What Conference are they in?

They are in the SCAC I believe with Rohdes Milsaps Autsin College and im not sure who else

Hendrix also
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 08:59:11 pm
infielddad is your last name armstrong?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 09:03:16 pm
Bman3 it looks like there is a pitcher from Ozarks that might give your strikeout records a run for your money...you had 14 twice in 2 different 9 inning complete game performances...Curt Dixon had 14 in 5.2 innings!  Damn Gina.  It was probably against the Arkansas School for the Blind though, he cant hold your jock strap!

HAMBONE

I think Scott's career strikeout records are pretty safe from most of the guys in the ASC at this point. Dixon's a senior for Ozarks and is pretty far back.

You really either have to pitch a solid amount all 4 years, or have 3 years where you're essentially at the top of your game and be a prominent strikeout pitcher.

I don't think CUA's J. Miller was ready to embrace that role until the latter part of his career, but you have to be built from that mold to get there.

TLU's Kyle Newman needed something like 5 wins to dethrone Chema Chavez's ASC wins record and 50Ks (he'd exceeded that his first 3 years) to get Scott's career strikeout tally, but he imploded last year.

I can't find archived stats on UMHB, but Jr. R.B. Garza had 60 K's last year, will probably eclipse that again this year, but I have no clue what he put up his freshman year. Brett Holland is a K - stud for Tyler, but threw 3 innings his freshman year.

Glad to see both of you blowing up the boards.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 09:07:09 pm
i think if you put trinity or southwestern in the ASC, they would be just an average team fighting for the last playoff spot. JSG, does either team have any stand out players and how do you think they would do in the ASC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 09:08:31 pm
damn your good!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 09:11:31 pm
infielddad is your last name armstrong?

Yes, you played against our son Jason.
Good games for all 4 years and a couple of good battles in Georgetown in 2002.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:13:36 pm
McMurry beats UT Tyler in a hard fought game 11-8

Looks like the UT Tyler club is beatable...given the fact that they only played a double header against Austin College last weekend and McMurry played a 3 game series against HSU on sat and sunday, it proves that UT-Tyler is not only beatable but also proves the Indians may have a 4th starter now giving their rotation the support they will need in the conference tournament and regional...provided they make it out of the ASC West.  

FYI their other loss was to CTX...they arent that good.  I respect their ability but I am hoping they fall into a funk this weekend they cant get out of...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 10, 2008, 09:16:31 pm
Hambone,

I am just glad to see your still alive.  Its been too long.  Just don't let D White cry too much about losing his record.  Hopefully my indians can give you all a run for your money.  How is Thielapape (can't ever spell the kids name) playing?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:16:39 pm
If you want some action, cut and paste Bman3's post on Tx DIII's not getting enough respect in the National section.
Wait some and either later tonight or tomorrow morning, Spence with have the pot bubbling at a scalding level.
[/quote]

i cut and pasted Bman3's post in the national section...its getting a little action.  thanks for the idea.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 09:17:22 pm
i think if you put trinity or southwestern in the ASC, they would be just an average team fighting for the last playoff spot. JSG, does either team have any stand out players and how do you think they would do in the ASC.

Bman,
The ASC isn't the big 12. 
Other than last year, Trinity has had as much talent as any  ASC team on a year to year basis since 2001. If Coach Meccage had not passed away during the 2002 Regional, that Saturday morning game could have ended up 5-2 Trinity instead of CTX.  But he did and our guys were in no position to play.  CTX played very well the entire 2002 Regional and deserved it's crown.
With Coach Mallon's departure, Southwestern hasn't been at the same level.  That guy got the very, very best out of every player.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 09:21:27 pm
McMurry beats UT Tyler in a hard fought game 11-8

McMurry vs. UT Tyler Box Score (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-17b.htm)

VERY quality win for McMurry. Munchrath had been very solid for Tyler, but had pitched primarily out of the bullpen.  With only 5 guys throwing the majority of the innings for Tyler this might have been an inevitable conclusion considering most of their mid-week games have been against less talented opponents.

Smith wasn't fantastic, but was good enough for a win, and that's what matters. I doubt he pitched well enough to increase his innings on the weekend all that much though.

It should be noted McMurry won this game without Franco, who is leading the team in AVG, HR, SLG, and OBP.

This illustrates to me that they're the team the rest of the teams in the West need to try and catch. They have the best rotation in the West. The top-middle of their order is ridiculous. They're not playing very good defense either.

For Tyler:
Kendall Fox was 2-4 w/ 2 RBI
Clay Baker was 3-5
Chad Deleidan was 3-5 w/ 2 runs, a HR, and 3 RBI

For McMurry:
George Whitten was 3-5 w/ 4 runs
Derek David was 5-5 w/ 3 runs, a HR, and 2 RBI
Brent Vorhees was 2-4 w/ 1 run, a HR, and 5 RBI
Gerad Morris was 3-4

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 10, 2008, 09:23:08 pm
I coached with Coach Mallon and there was a reason he got the most out of every player:  If they did not play their best they wouldn't be on the field.  I was really disappointed to see him retire, but he can still coach a game, just watch the Georgetown Summer League team's that he still coaches.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 09:27:14 pm
mcm,
Coach Mallon was a favorite of mine and a great coach.
 I got to know him over the 4 years we made trips.  Talked to him a lot during the SCAC tournaments and shared a lot of stories about his days with the Giants.
He  was wonderfully supportive of our son, more than competitive before that, especially in 2004 with the draft and some player of the year efforts.
If you see him, please tell him the Armstrongs and Jason said to say "hello."
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:27:19 pm
Hambone,

I am just glad to see your still alive.  Its been too long.  Just don't let D White cry too much about losing his record.  Hopefully my indians can give you all a run for your money.  How is Thielapape (can't ever spell the kids name) playing?

i am still alive and kicking CMG...in fact i am kicking harder than ever as I won the Homerun derby @ our alumni game this year.  I guess you never really forget how to do some things.  In fact i do believe i have somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 career homeruns against your indians....1 of which was off "the real deal" josh lee....The McMurry and CTX series should be a fun one to watch this year as both their pitching staffs appear sub-par and both teams are hitting the long ball regularly both almost 2 per game....it will be interesting to see if Driggers will make Williams beat him before he pitches around him or if they will just walk him the whole series....which leads us to Warneke and Thielepape...if they both do their job then they will have to throw a few pitches in the zone to Williams.  Thelepape is doing ok.  he has 23 rbi 17 games into season...i would have to say that 50 rbi this season is realistic for him and 50 is a very respectable # in a 40 game season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 10, 2008, 09:34:21 pm
Well my friend, I just dropped three bombs (in one game) in intramural softball up here at Texas Tech, last year (or month) of law school.  Of course you know with my build being like my dad's they were all wind aided.  Glad to see that you still know how to swing a bat.  Thielpape is a good kid, another one of those that you stole away from my indians, but I hear that Coach at Concordia knows a thing or two about recruiting.  Make sure you keep me updated on the McM CU series, I don't here much way up here in Lubbock, but I do get to catch a good Big 12 series from time to time.  Tell your dad my family said hello and sorry my dad couldn't make it to the season opener, family emergency caused him to miss out. Getting married Friday so tons of planning to due, good hearing from ya.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:46:04 pm
i think if you put trinity or southwestern in the ASC, they would be just an average team fighting for the last playoff spot. JSG, does either team have any stand out players and how do you think they would do in the ASC.

Bman,
The ASC isn't the big 12. 
Other than last year, Trinity has had as much talent as any  ASC team on a year to year basis since 2001. If Coach Meccage had not passed away during the 2002 Regional, that Saturday morning game could have ended up 5-2 Trinity instead of CTX.  But he did and our guys were in no position to play.  CTX played very well the entire 2002 Regional and deserved it's crown.
With Coach Mallon's departure, Southwestern hasn't been at the same level.  That guy got the very, very best out of every player.

Nope the ASC is not the Big 12 and i dont think Bman3 ever made any impression that he thought it was.  he only commented that if you put southwestern or trinity in the ASC that they would be an average team fighting for a playoff spot.  I agree completely with this suggestion.  The ASC has 15 teams and even the bottom feeders have 1 pticher and 1 hitter that if are helped by the other 7 can give a team a loss.  its a very competitive conference that is much tougher to get out of than the SCAC...and visa versa if threw a few ASC teams into the SCAC, which I actually think they should do to spread out the talent.

on another note...my heart goes out to Trinity Club for having to play us in the Championship game of the regional the same day one of their coaches died....success in this game of failure is influenced so much by your mental approach and I know their minds and hearts were somewhere else that day...but keep in mind we were undefeated and if Trinity had beaten us the first game 5-2, they would have had to beat us again right after that.....the only team that beat us in a doubleheader in 2002 was UT and they won the Big 12 and the National Championship...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 09:52:25 pm
I was @ the TLU/CUA....I mean CTX series and I learned a few things:

*Not the rivalry it use to be
*Tom Williams is The Real Deal and might hit 28 HR
*Logan Hull is descent #1
*TLU won Game 1, but act like you've been there before. You have represented the ASC in the Regionals the past 3 years, I hope you didn't act like that there. It was quite pothetic. 
*JSG either has a ton of Frequent Flier Miles or spends too much time on the computer. It is nice to know what is going on in the Conference, but damn I got home from the CTX game Friday night only to see a full summary of the game. I did notice that when TLU won, the summary was much longer than when CTX put their beat down on. Must be a Bulldog.

It looks like this year we are going to see a lot of Offense from most of the teams around the ASC. It should be a very fun season to follow.


Just wanted to touch on a few of these.

1.) You're right. It's certainly not the rivalry it used to be, but at the time there were a number of factors that made that a great rivalry.

- For one, both teams had deep pitching staffs. -- Neither do anymore.
- CUA had White and TLU had Krog. There were a lot of other GREAT players on both of those teams, but the fact that they were such similar sluggers always made that match-up son intriguing. Plus let's be honest, Krog is the perfect antagonist to hate if you're another team. Having a guy like that makes rivalries significantly more intense.
- Two years ago TLU won game one and then the series rained out and was never completed. The way that whole thing was handled (and I don't know the intracacies of it all, but it made both coaches seem at fault) was really perplexing. The games could've been played.
- On top of all that CUA started a decline (they definitely seem to be on the way back up, but still aren't at the level they were), and now TLU has fallen off significantly at well.
- During CUA's decline the rivalries between TLU vs. HSU vs. McMurry increased.  HSU's Barry Janisse was one of those antagonists that were easy to dislike and then last year's McM vs. TLU rivalry seemed to culminate with their on-field bench clearing scuffle.

2. Tom Williams is definitely the real deal. He should give both Vorhees and David a run for their money for ASC West Hitter of the Year. His downfall will be that he swings and misses alot, and some won't give him as much credit because of the park he plays in. Those that have seen him know different.

3. I'd venture to say that Logan Hull is more than just a decent #1. He's only a sophomore and he's arguably the best pitcher in the ASC West. You can certainly make a case for some others, and Hull does work from behind and give up a few too many free passes, but holding a pretty solid CUA team to two hits typically supersedes decent.

4. Has TLU ever acted like they've been there before? They've typically been a classy team after the game, but during the game they've always spouted off at the mouth. CUA has always been a pretty vocal team as well.

Having been there before you know that all good ball players have a 'cocky' mindset that typically borders on arrogance, but you have to be that way in a game that you fail at 70% of the time and are still considered successful.

Perhaps a team that is struggling (after umpteen years of 30+ wins) feels the need to vocalize that mindset as a way of convincing themselves that they can still play at that level. Make of that what you will. It doesn't mean it's right -- but it has been the identity of that team since I've been following the ASC.

5. I do probably spend too much time on the computer, but I love division III baseball. I love that these athletes aren't even getting athletic scholarships, yet they're still playing ball typically for the love of the game.

Pardon me if I seem to be biased towards any team. I can assure you that I am not really a fan of ANY team persay. I am a fan of the way athletes compete and I am a fan of the game of baseball in its truest form. I want to see teams come together, fight back, leave it all on the field and play the game the right way.

I hope this clears some of this stuff up.

In addition, thanks very much for the endorsement Infield Dad. It means a lot coming from a valued contributer to this forum and equally knowledgeable baseball fan.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:53:24 pm
Well my friend, I just dropped three bombs (in one game) in intramural softball up here at Texas Tech, last year (or month) of law school.  Of course you know with my build being like my dad's they were all wind aided.  Glad to see that you still know how to swing a bat.  Thielpape is a good kid, another one of those that you stole away from my indians, but I hear that Coach at Concordia knows a thing or two about recruiting.  Make sure you keep me updated on the McM CU series, I don't here much way up here in Lubbock, but I do get to catch a good Big 12 series from time to time.  Tell your dad my family said hello and sorry my dad couldn't make it to the season opener, family emergency caused him to miss out. Getting married Friday so tons of planning to due, good hearing from ya.

if you are graduating law school, you really need to learn to HEAR with your ears; also if you are getting married, then you will have tons of planning to DO...just keeping you in check.  congrats on your law degree, marriage, and most likely the first homeruns your life!  tell your folks i said hello as well.  CTX play SU @ the Dell Diamond on 3/18...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 10:12:09 pm

given the fact that they only played a double header against Austin College last weekend and McMurry played a 3 game series against HSU on sat and sunday, it proves that UT-Tyler is not only beatable but also proves the Indians may have a 4th starter now giving their rotation the support they will need in the conference tournament and regional...provided they make it out of the ASC West.  

FYI their other loss was to CTX...they arent that good.  I respect their ability but I am hoping they fall into a funk this weekend they cant get out of...

1.) The UT Tyler vs. Austin College series was actually 3 games.
2.) I mentioned previously, but I don't know that Smith did anything to solidify himself as a 4th starter. He did give up 6 ER and 15 hits. Opponents are hitting .378 against him and he's walked more guys than he's struck out. -- Brent Vorhees probably has to be their 4th starter in any type of tournament situation.
3.) Who's not that good? CUA or Tyler? And if CUA, why would you want them to fall into a funk?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 10:13:58 pm
Having been there before you know that all good ball players have a 'cocky' mindset that typically borders on arrogance, but you have to be that way in a game that you fail at 70% of the time and are still considered successful.



well said JSG.  Some speak with actions and some speak with words....regardless only the mentally tough can deal with the failure this game brings.  And finishing with a higher career slugging pct than D White, I can honestly say that it was fun having him hit in front of me...TLU normally pitched around him to get to me, I dont know why, but they did...I remember when I could hear D White slap Krog's helmet on a pickoff attempt, those were fun times...

Dwhite, Josh Lee, John Krog, and I were all invited to the same supplimental draft following the 2004 season and we all had a good time telling stories...

Kevin Webster....now i do believe he made some real life enemies with his classy attitiude on the field!  but man he could sure hit a baseball with some authority....spitting image of Hack Wilson!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 10:29:27 pm
McM over UT-Tyler boxscore (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcmutt.htm)

Seven innings from Dakota Smith for McMurry.

McMurry had the series with HSU on Sat (DH) and Sunday.

That has to be a great confidence booster for Smith!

I was advised earlier this season that McMurry had arms...maybe McM just began to find them! 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 10:31:31 pm

given the fact that they only played a double header against Austin College last weekend and McMurry played a 3 game series against HSU on sat and sunday, it proves that UT-Tyler is not only beatable but also proves the Indians may have a 4th starter now giving their rotation the support they will need in the conference tournament and regional...provided they make it out of the ASC West.  

FYI their other loss was to CTX...they arent that good.  I respect their ability but I am hoping they fall into a funk this weekend they cant get out of...

1.) The UT Tyler vs. Austin College series was actually 3 games.
2.) I mentioned previously, but I don't know that Smith did anything to solidify himself as a 4th starter. He did give up 6 ER and 15 hits. Opponents are hitting .378 against him and he's walked more guys than he's struck out. -- Brent Vorhees probably has to be their 4th starter in any type of tournament situation.
3.) Who's not that good? CUA or Tyler? And if CUA, why would you want them to fall into a funk?

JSG

well giving up 6 ER and 15 hits, opponents hitting .378 and walking more guys than he's struck out, confirms my point earlier that the lack of pitching means teams will have to out hit and out score their own pitching....i know it sounds logical that you have to score more than you give up, but im leaning more towards the fact that I have seen several box scores with 10-20 hits making this season and absolute slug fest in regards to all the runs being scored against the contenders.

I meant that Tyler was not that good.  They are a good team, but when I said they are not that good, I meant they weren't unbeatable like they think they are.  And by falling into a funk, I meant that I hope a few teams in abilene this week will provide them a losing streak they can tget out of....we all know that wont happen, this this weeks competition will show their true colors as they are playing 9 games in 7 days and the last 3 are conference games...i feel some tendonitis in the near forecast.

congrats to the indians for their win today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 10:35:01 pm
McM over UT-Tyler boxscore (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcmutt.htm)

Seven innings from Dakota Smith for McMurry.

McMurry had the series with HSU on Sat (DH) and Sunday.

That has to be a great confidence booster for Smith!

I was advised earlier this season that McMurry had arms...maybe McM just began to find them! 

About a page behind me Ralph! ;-)

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 10:41:05 pm

well giving up 6 ER and 15 hits, opponents hitting .378 and walking more guys than he's struck out, confirms my point earlier that the lack of pitching means teams will have to out hit and out score their own pitching....i know it sounds logical that you have to score more than you give up, but im leaning more towards the fact that I have seen several box scores with 10-20 hits making this season and absolute slug fest in regards to all the runs being scored against the contenders.

I think it's a lot easier for a hitter to fall through the cracks than a solid pitcher (in addition to the fact you need more arms on a roster than any particular position) so I think you'll continue to see the ASC have a lack of pitching in comparison to the amount of solid hitters in the future.

That said. I think you could make a case for McMurry having a pretty decent staff.

Curry, Toombs and Johnston are probably the best staff of any in the West. Kyle Martin is better and significantly more capable than what his numbers indicate. Vorhees, Wood, and McBride have all been pretty solid in limited action so that suggests that they have a little more depth than other West teams too.

As I mentioned a few pages back, the jury is still out on UMHB though.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 10:42:00 pm
McM over UT-Tyler boxscore (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcmutt.htm)

Seven innings from Dakota Smith for McMurry.

McMurry had the series with HSU on Sat (DH) and Sunday.

That has to be a great confidence booster for Smith!

I was advised earlier this season that McMurry had arms...maybe McM just began to find them! 

About a page behind me Ralph! ;-)

JSG

Ralph must have got lost in all of our posts today.  me and Bman3 are tired of being on the Junior varsity.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 11:03:07 pm
i think if you put trinity or southwestern in the ASC, they would be just an average team fighting for the last playoff spot. JSG, does either team have any stand out players and how do you think they would do in the ASC.

Bman,
The ASC isn't the big 12. 
Other than last year, Trinity has had as much talent as any  ASC team on a year to year basis since 2001. If Coach Meccage had not passed away during the 2002 Regional, that Saturday morning game could have ended up 5-2 Trinity instead of CTX.  But he did and our guys were in no position to play.  CTX played very well the entire 2002 Regional and deserved it's crown.
With Coach Mallon's departure, Southwestern hasn't been at the same level.  That guy got the very, very best out of every player.

Nope the ASC is not the Big 12 and i dont think Bman3 ever made any impression that he thought it was.  he only commented that if you put southwestern or trinity in the ASC that they would be an average team fighting for a playoff spot.  I agree completely with this suggestion.  The ASC has 15 teams and even the bottom feeders have 1 pticher and 1 hitter that if are helped by the other 7 can give a team a loss.  its a very competitive conference that is much tougher to get out of than the SCAC...and visa versa if threw a few ASC teams into the SCAC, which I actually think they should do to spread out the talent.

on another note...my heart goes out to Trinity Club for having to play us in the Championship game of the regional the same day one of their coaches died....success in this game of failure is influenced so much by your mental approach and I know their minds and hearts were somewhere else that day...but keep in mind we were undefeated and if Trinity had beaten us the first game 5-2, they would have had to beat us again right after that.....the only team that beat us in a doubleheader in 2002 was UT and they won the Big 12 and the National Championship...


Not exactly.
If Trinity had won the morning game 5-2, CTX would have played Pitzer in the night game, used up pitchers, played against Cortez and Turner and come back the next morning to play Trinity and need to beat them 2.
But that didn't happen and we all lost one of the great baseball coaches in Coach Meccage.
BTW, Trinity played CTX, TLU, McMurry, HSU and all the rest of the ASC they could.  CTX doesn't get any better by running down good teams and good players and living in the past.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 11, 2008, 12:00:55 am
i think if you put trinity or southwestern in the ASC, they would be just an average team fighting for the last playoff spot. JSG, does either team have any stand out players and how do you think they would do in the ASC.

Bman,
The ASC isn't the big 12. 
Other than last year, Trinity has had as much talent as any  ASC team on a year to year basis since 2001. If Coach Meccage had not passed away during the 2002 Regional, that Saturday morning game could have ended up 5-2 Trinity instead of CTX.  But he did and our guys were in no position to play.  CTX played very well the entire 2002 Regional and deserved it's crown.
With Coach Mallon's departure, Southwestern hasn't been at the same level.  That guy got the very, very best out of every player.

Nope the ASC is not the Big 12 and i dont think Bman3 ever made any impression that he thought it was.  he only commented that if you put southwestern or trinity in the ASC that they would be an average team fighting for a playoff spot.  I agree completely with this suggestion.  The ASC has 15 teams and even the bottom feeders have 1 pticher and 1 hitter that if are helped by the other 7 can give a team a loss.  its a very competitive conference that is much tougher to get out of than the SCAC...and visa versa if threw a few ASC teams into the SCAC, which I actually think they should do to spread out the talent.

on another note...my heart goes out to Trinity Club for having to play us in the Championship game of the regional the same day one of their coaches died....success in this game of failure is influenced so much by your mental approach and I know their minds and hearts were somewhere else that day...but keep in mind we were undefeated and if Trinity had beaten us the first game 5-2, they would have had to beat us again right after that.....the only team that beat us in a doubleheader in 2002 was UT and they won the Big 12 and the National Championship...


Not exactly.
If Trinity had won the morning game 5-2, CTX would have played Pitzer in the night game, used up pitchers, played against Cortez and Turner and come back the next morning to play Trinity and need to beat them 2.
But that didn't happen and we all lost one of the great baseball coaches in Coach Meccage.
BTW, Trinity played CTX, TLU, McMurry, HSU and all the rest of the ASC they could.  CTX doesn't get any better by running down good teams and good players and living in the past.

What exactly does running down good teams and good players an living in the past mean? Little thrown off by that, or elaborate a little.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 12:50:21 am
Not exactly.
If Trinity had won the morning game 5-2, CTX would have played Pitzer in the night game, used up pitchers, played against Cortez and Turner and come back the next morning to play Trinity and need to beat them 2.
But that didn't happen and we all lost one of the great baseball coaches in Coach Meccage.
BTW, Trinity played CTX, TLU, McMurry, HSU and all the rest of the ASC they could.  CTX doesn't get any better by running down good teams and good players and living in the past.
[/quote]

yes please elaborate on what you mean by CTX doesn't get any better by running down good teams and good players and living in the past.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:52:11 am
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.

The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.

We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:00:43 am
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.

The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.

We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!

Ralph, were you at the Marietta - Hardin-Simmons game?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 02:03:35 am
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.

The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.

We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!

Ralph, were you at the Marietta - Hardin-Simmons game?
No

Marietta 8 HSU 2 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/031008aaa.html)

McMurry and HSU played their 3-game series Sat and Sun.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:07:11 am
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.

The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.

We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!

Ralph, were you at the Marietta - Hardin-Simmons game?
No

Marietta 8 HSU 2 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/031008aaa.html)

McMurry and HSU played their 3-game series Sat and Sun.

Yah I listened to it...just wondered how it was for someone with eyeballs.

Tomorrow should be a very interesting day.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 08:50:59 am
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.
The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.
We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!
Ralph, were you at the Marietta - Hardin-Simmons game?
No
Marietta 8 HSU 2 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/031008aaa.html)
McMurry and HSU played their 3-game series Sat and Sun.
Yah I listened to it...just wondered how it was for someone with eyeballs.
Tomorrow should be a very interesting day.
HSU season stats (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/teamcume.html).

Copeland spent three years, including a redshirt year, at Northwestern State (LA), D-I Southland Conference.

I don't know who McMurry ill throw vs. Marietta.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 11, 2008, 12:24:44 pm
i am glad to see marietta make their way down to us. we all know that they have been a powerhouse in the past, and it would be nice to see a couple ASC teams hand them some lossses. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 12:39:49 pm
Bman3 looks like your ASC conference record was just tied...After all records were meant to be broken.  But you did it twice, so i guess you still have the upper-hand.

here is the link to the ASC article about Curt Dixon's 14 strikeout performance...his pitch count must have been high as he only went 5 2/3 innings....

http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2008/3/11/ASC_BB_NATIONAHONOR1.asp?path=baseball (http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2008/3/11/ASC_BB_NATIONAHONOR1.asp?path=baseball)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 11, 2008, 12:48:11 pm
infielddad your son was a very good hitter and put up some ridiculous numbers! i am sure that i pitched and played against him, but i dont remember him in particular. if you look at the numbers, in 2002 Trinity had one of the best pitching staffs in the nation.

our hearts as individuals and as a team were out for coach meccage that morning. we could feel something was wrong as soon as the players got off the bus. i couldn't imagine playing after something like that happened and take my hat off to the players that did.

pamona pitza was suppose to be the big bad team in the regional, cortez and turner were legit hitters, however their pitching staff was not very good. we faced their #1 who was undefeated at the time and looked no better than an average #2.

hambone's quote earlier will sum this one up. we were not swept in a double header all year except for when we played The University of Texas.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 11, 2008, 12:51:03 pm
has the ozarks ever been this good? its good to see.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 12:59:49 pm
Just FYI for those of you die hard ASC fans.  here is a link showing some not so recent news, but shows the sportsmanship that goes on outside the chalk lines.  UT-Tyler donated some money to the fund set up by Concordia Players to help the Garrett Williamson and his family.

http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2008/2/23/ASC_UTTYLERDONATE.asp?path=baseball (http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2008/2/23/ASC_UTTYLERDONATE.asp?path=baseball)

JSG, this unfortunate accident to Garrett Williamson possibly takes CTX's missing piece of the puzzle.  Williamson (RHP) was a 2007 NAIA All-American and Transferred into Concordia to play his final season of college baseball and he definately would have had the oppurtunity to play some form of professional baseball...its unfortunate, but it is what it is.  Had he been in the rotation, we might have seen a sweep of Trinity, TLU, and 2 of 3 taken from UT-Tyler...what if, what if, what if .... but certainly noone deserves to go from all-american to a wheel chair...I tip my hat to the williamson family.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 01:05:38 pm
has the ozarks ever been this good? its good to see.


no.  its their highest ranking in program history.  good for them.  the east looks as though its becoming pretty tough to get out of.  It only take 1 good pitcher to shut down a team like UT-Tyler in the 1st round of the asc tourney and put their backs against the wall. 

LC, MC, UO, UTT, and UTD  makes this a 10 team race for 8 spots.  this is interesting and only 1 will get an automatic birth to the Regional @ MCM...GO BIG BLUE
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 11, 2008, 01:09:14 pm
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.
The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.
We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!
Ralph, were you at the Marietta - Hardin-Simmons game?
No
Marietta 8 HSU 2 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/031008aaa.html)
McMurry and HSU played their 3-game series Sat and Sun.
Yah I listened to it...just wondered how it was for someone with eyeballs.
Tomorrow should be a very interesting day.
HSU season stats (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/teamcume.html).

Copeland spent three years, including a redshirt year, at Northwestern State (LA), D-I Southland Conference.

I don't know who McMurry ill throw vs. Marietta.

Copeland certainly seemed like he had things in control until the 7th. Maybe stayed with him a little too long considering how little he's thrown.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 01:23:56 pm
infielddad your son was a very good hitter and put up some ridiculous numbers! i am sure that i pitched and played against him, but i dont remember him in particular. if you look at the numbers, in 2002 Trinity had one of the best pitching staffs in the nation.

our hearts as individuals and as a team were out for coach meccage that morning. we could feel something was wrong as soon as the players got off the bus. i couldn't imagine playing after something like that happened and take my hat off to the players that did.

pamona pitza was suppose to be the big bad team in the regional, cortez and turner were legit hitters, however their pitching staff was not very good. we faced their #1 who was undefeated at the time and looked no better than an average #2.

hambone's quote earlier will sum this one up. we were not swept in a double header all year except for when we played The University of Texas.

his son is Jason Armstrong - West Region Player of the Year in 2004 and also first team all-american SS in 2004.  he was one hell of a player and fun to play against...very classy guy.  he always wore a fresh pair all white Franklin batting gloves....Bman3 remember those 390 inning scrimmages we used play agianst Trinity in the Fall with not substitution rules?  The only rule enforced was "dont get hurt"  haha those were some fun times
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 01:36:18 pm

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Copeland certainly seemed like he had things in control until the 7th. Maybe stayed with him a little too long considering how little he's thrown.
[/quote]


I agree with that Spence.  Copeland should get the win for giving Marietta a victory.  2 things, HSU is coming off a tough series to MCM, and the sloppy/freezing weather in abilene cannot be helping anyone perform at the highest potential.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The_CRU_05 on March 11, 2008, 01:44:29 pm
The CRU is going to disasseble that HSU lineup this weekend.  Glad to see they are playing 7 games before we come to town this weekend.  They may be at home but it wont be much of an advantage if all of there arms are being iced down. 

My prediction - The CRU sweeps HSU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:13:19 pm


Copeland certainly seemed like he had things in control until the 7th. Maybe stayed with him a little too long considering how little he's thrown.
[/quote]


I agree with that Spence.  Copeland should get the win for giving Marietta a victory.  2 things, HSU is coming off a tough series to MCM, and the sloppy/freezing weather in abilene cannot be helping anyone perform at the highest potential.
[/quote]

I don't know about that...Copeland didn't throw bad...I think they just left him in a little too long.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 03:21:08 pm
i have a message in my in box and i cant reply to it, it says i dont have permission...do i have to graduate from the junior varsity or donate money to the McMurry Booster club before i am granted access to this?  Any helpful info would be great.  thanks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 11, 2008, 06:42:49 pm
Today's Trinity-TLU game was moved to Trinity due to field conditions in Seguin....  check TU's baseball site for audio/video links
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The_CRU_05 on March 11, 2008, 06:48:25 pm
I dont think anyone follows TLU anymore after their loss to the Little Giants last week.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 06:56:26 pm
I dont think anyone follows TLU anymore after their loss to the Little Giants last week.


Hahahahahahaha......I thought I was the only guy that thought that was funny too.  Ive been told Wabash has a respectable program....its just sounds a pee-wee football team, thats all.  you go get em The_CRU_05 ... you go get em!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:04:03 pm
UT Tyler 12 - Marietta 9 (http://www.marietta.edu/athletics/baseball/statistics/GAME06.HTM)

I know UT Tyler takes on one of the weaker ASC teams in ETBU this year, but I really disagree with starting Booher, throwing Holland, etc. in these midweek games. They can claim that it's a mid-week bullpen that he would've throw in intrasquad, etc. but those guys pitched quite a few innings this weekend and will be expected to throw 7+ again this weekend. ( I know you disagree Spence).

Anyhow Zeigler pitched 3 innings of 1 hit ball and Tyler scored 7 in the bottom of the 6th to get within one run and then took the lead with 4 more in the bottom of the 8th for the win. Joe Pitrone was the losing pitcher for Marietta.

Merryman was 3-5 w/ 3 runs and 1 RBI for Marietta.

Harding was 2-5 w/ a HR, 2 runs and 6 RBIs.
Towns was 2-5, w/ a HR, 1 run and 3 RBIs.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:10:29 pm
McMurry defeated Southwestern 17-7 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/Pdfs/baseball/2008/3/11/mcmsw2.htm)

McMurry's Aaron Wood threw 7 innings, gave up 6 hits, and 1 ER.
(I think he's a lot more viable number 4-5 than Smith - I still contend that McMurry is the only ASC West team with a legitimately deep pitching staff).

Southwestern's Freeman & Wooten combined for 5.1 and gave up 15 ER for Southwestern.

McMurry:
Derek David was 2-3 w/ a HR, 4 runs, 1 RBI
Brent Vorhees was 3-4, 4 runs, 2 RBI
Stephen Derrick was 3-6, 1 run, 3 RBI

(I guess Franco might be hurt as this is the 2nd consecutive game he hasn't played.)

In other news, Hardin Simmons leads UT Tyler 7-3 in the top of the 7th.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:12:07 pm

In other news, Hardin Simmons leads UT Tyler 7-3 in the top of the 7th.


Just during the time it took me to write that last post UT Tyler took an 8-7 lead courtesy of a grand slam from Chad Deleidan. I guess good teams find a way to win games like this eh?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 08:25:03 pm
are their live stats for these games?  ive looked but didnt see a link.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:33:51 pm
are their live stats for these games?  ive looked but didnt see a link.

You can find the gametracker for the Hardin Simmons vs. UT Tyler game here (It's just to the right of their schedule):
http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/sched/hsim-m-basebl-sched.html

Here's the livestats link for the TU vs. TLU game.

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/livestats/xlive.htm

Trinity should hand it to them. They're throwing their current #1 against TLU's #4 (at best). I guess Trinity figures they'll dominate Hendrix this weekend so they might as well ensure themselves an important in-region game.

I THINK the Marietta vs. UT Dallas game can be found on the Marietta radio located on their website.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 08:49:24 pm
UT-Tyler gave up 2 runs in the 8th and lost 9-8 to Hardin Simmons. 

Couple of good games today for the Patriots, but they need to fix that defense if they want to make a run late into the season.  10 errors on the day.

They can definitely swing it, no doubt about that though!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 08:53:20 pm
UT-Dallas vs Marietta game can be heard online (Marietta radio guys; they are fun to listen to).

http://www.wmoa1490.com/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:58:30 pm
Hardin Simmons 9 - UT Tyler 8

Hardin Simmons was up 7-3, but Tyler scored 5 in the top of the 7th.

Ryan Stepp & Wayne Pimpton hit back to back shots in the bottom of the 8th to regain the lead and then Josh Alcorn came on for the save.

Barton and Alcorn are phenomenal at the backend of that HSU bullpen.

Sam Walker and Nathan Copeland both walked entirely too many guys this week, but HSU has to be encouraged that both threw pretty decent against two solid teams. I think most would agree the Cowboys are hitting the ball better than most anticipated. Gage is absolutely killing it and Armstrong, Berlin and Weeks have all been significant contributers helping Stepp and Berlin.

I'm anxious to see how their series with UMHB turns out this weekend.

Since a box score probably won't be up for awhile.

HSU:
Stepp 1-3, 3 RBI
Pimpton 2-4, 1 RBI
Gage 2-4, 1 RBI
Post 2-3, 2 runs

Tyler:
Harding 2-4, 1 RBI
Towns 2-5, 2 RBI
Hood 3-5, 1 RBI
Deleidan 1-5, 4 RBI (Grandslam)

WP:
Kyle Barton 1 IP, 0 ER (yet to allow an ER in 19.2 IP this year)
Sam Walker 6 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 6 BB, 1 K

Save: Alcorn 1 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 2 Ks

LP:
Andrew Splawn 2.2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER (These were his 1st innings of the year)


JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 09:02:08 pm
UT-Tyler gave up 2 runs in the 8th and lost 9-8 to Hardin Simmons. 

Couple of good games today for the Patriots, but they need to fix that defense if they want to make a run late into the season.  10 errors on the day.

They can definitely swing it, no doubt about that though!!

They only made 3 errors last weekend, and 3 the weekend prior to that (1 each game coincidentally).  I think it came down to the fact that they rely so much on their 3 weekend starters (I mean they did pitch two of them in the Marietta game) that the defense just isn't is comfortable (or don't think they can necessarily win) behind some of the guys that haven't thrown that much.  Those were Splawn's first innings of the entire year and they're 17-18 games in.

How's the Marietta vs. UT Dallas game going?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 09:10:07 pm
it's a late start and they are only in the bottom of the first...Marietta leads 2-0 and has a few runners still on with 2 outs.

http://www.wmoa1490.com/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 09:13:47 pm
it's a late start and they are only in the bottom of the first...Marietta leads 2-0 and has a few runners still on with 2 outs.

http://www.wmoa1490.com/

Edit that...Merryman with a 3-run bomb....Marietta leads 5-0 still in the the first.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 10:59:49 pm
Texas Lutheran 9 - Trinity 8

This one really surprised me, because I honestly thought Trinity would win with Bronson on the bump. His line prior to the game was:

2-1, 1.52 ERA, 27Ks in 23.2 IP and .225 against

Down 7-3 after the first four, TLU fought back 1 in the 5th, 1 in the 7th, and 3 in the 8th.

WP: Travis Staggs 5 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 4 K
SV: Robert Conley 1 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 2 K
LP: Evan Bronson 7 IP, 9 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 11 K

For TLU:
Kyle Harvey 3-5, w 1 RBI
Andrew Femath 2-5, 2 runs
Joseph Brade 1-4, 2 RBI
Jason Foley 1-2, 2 BB
Chris Siniff 2-4, 1 run

For TU:
Stosh Hoover 3-4, 2 runs, 1 2B, 1 3B
Evan Jones 2-3, HR, 3 RBI
Kyle Felix 1-4, HR, 2 RBI

In other ASC news:

UT Dallas is up 9-7 over Marietta in the 6th inning...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 02:37:05 pm
Mad props to UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler for coming back against Marietta. Those wins really help the ASC as a whole. Now we need the Indians to leave No Doubt. I know how difficult it is to play tough games between Big Conference series', but lets send em packing beat up and have them wondering how good they really are!

I love seeing all the Etta fans on the national board complaining that they dropped out of the rankings, and that their schedule is "sooo hard." Welcome to the ASC!!! They are losing against most of their good opponents and now are going to run back to ohio with their tail between their legs and beat up on all the teams in their sorry conference.

I am generally not a McMurray Indians fan b/c of what they did to my team and I our freshman year. however, today.........and this weekend i am their biggest supporter!!! GO INDIANS!!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: old scot on March 12, 2008, 03:02:17 pm
Bman, if you follow the posts, Spence is the only Etta fan singing the blues about the polls and tough schedule.  As been stated before, its more important how you finish the season than start one.

Marietta's tradition speaks for itself. Maybe they don't have the horses this year but, I would not start bashing them after 6 or 7 games. Year in and year out, they seem to find their groove as the season progresses.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 04:37:40 pm
I have a ton of respect for the Marietta program. Any good team will always have a target on them. I just think that it is funny to already see their fans in a frenzy. I also enjoy seeing my former Conference beat up on them. To give them the benefit of the doubt, we have had the opportunity to play outside more than they have this year.

McMurry just left the bases loaded in the 1st. That might come back to haunt them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 12, 2008, 05:26:54 pm
I have a ton of respect for the Marietta program. Any good team will always have a target on them. I just think that it is funny to already see their fans in a frenzy. I also enjoy seeing my former Conference beat up on them. To give them the benefit of the doubt, we have had the opportunity to play outside more than they have this year.

McMurry just left the bases loaded in the 1st. That might come back to haunt them.

I'm glad you have respect for our program...I'm pretty sure we've earned it over the years.  I't's tough to see the guys struggle early this year, but I'm sure they'll come around.  It would be great to play the teams in the ASC in late April or May when all the teams have had a chance to figure out who they are and form an identity...those would be some great match-ups.  Not sure if the outcomes would change, but it'd still be fun.

On a side note......the last time a Marietta team was under .500 after 10 games into the season was the 1999 squad that started 4-6 I believe.  We (yeah, I was lucky to be a part of that team), went on to win the next 40 in a row and end up at the World Series.  Anything can happen when you have a little talent and the right coaching.

Good luck to the ASC teams this season, your league tournament will be a fun one to follow!!

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 06:02:25 pm
40 in a row!!! that must be a record.

Marietta is ahead 4-1 going into the 6th. They have been ahead in every game I believe, now lets see if they can hold it. McMurry will probably stat pulling some of their players pretty soon.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2008, 06:26:08 pm
40 in a row!!! that must be a record.

Marietta is ahead 4-1 going into the 6th. They have been ahead in every game I believe, now lets see if they can hold it. McMurry will probably stat pulling some of their players pretty soon.
Bottom of the 6th, 2 outs, Derek David hits a 3-run HR to put McMurry ahead 5-4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 12, 2008, 06:42:55 pm
chill out ASC...all these comeback wins against marietta are gone produce some swollen heads!  I guess we'll have to leave it up to CTX to deflate those egos!  Marietta will be much better because of this trip....we all know what your stomach feels like when you feel the momentum swinging and you cant stop the bleeding...they undoubtably will make it a point to learn how to close the door during the remainder of the season....great wins for the asc....great growing pains for the ohio club....great baseball in abilene this week!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 07:29:13 pm
i left and it was 4-1, i came back and marietta was apparently filling buckets and losing 14-4. Great job INDIANS!!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 12, 2008, 10:01:13 pm
i left and it was 4-1, i came back and marietta was apparently filling buckets and losing 14-4. Great job INDIANS!!!!

Who are these Indians?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 12, 2008, 10:10:12 pm
I really want to say some things to bman but I'm not going to because I just don't even want to think about this trip anymore.

Hopefully the coaching staff will be able to perform something like the amazing job they did last year and we'll end up in the Series like we do 2 out of every 3 years. Still a long way to go.

Good luck if and when any of the ASC teams make it to Appleton this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2008, 10:16:29 pm
I really want to say some things to bman but I'm not going to because I just don't even want to think about this trip anymore.

Hopefully the coaching staff will be able to perform something like the amazing job they did last year and we'll end up in the Series like we do 2 out of every 3 years. Still a long way to go.

Good luck if and when any of the ASC teams make it to Appleton this year.
Spence, thanks for Marietta's coming down again this year.

The quality of the field at Driggers is one factor in favor.

I have mentioned the value of this inter-region series.  Marietta should bounce back nicely.  I just hope these games portend of a stronger pitching staff this year.*

*for McMurry.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 12, 2008, 10:27:56 pm
I really want to say some things to bman but I'm not going to because I just don't even want to think about this trip anymore.

Hopefully the coaching staff will be able to perform something like the amazing job they did last year and we'll end up in the Series like we do 2 out of every 3 years. Still a long way to go.

Good luck if and when any of the ASC teams make it to Appleton this year.
Spence, thanks for Marietta's coming down again this year.

The quality of the field at Driggers is one factor in favor.

I have mentioned the value of this inter-region series.  Marietta should bounce back nicely.  I just hope these games portend of a stronger pitching staff this year.

If it's a hot weekend during the conference tournament, y'all are gonna need an extra supply of baseballs!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 12, 2008, 11:47:20 pm
40 in a row!!! that must be a record.

Marietta is ahead 4-1 going into the 6th. They have been ahead in every game I believe, now lets see if they can hold it. McMurry will probably stat pulling some of their players pretty soon.

yep, it was a record, and I believe UT-Tyler may have tied it last year (they won a few to end the 2006 season, then won 37 or so in a row last year), but I'm not sure if they're in the record books or not b/c they were still provisionsal.

Regardless, this year's team just can't find a way to hold a lead...at first it was frustrating, now it's almost laughable from a fan's perspective.  I just hope it doens't become the norm!

I agree with some other posters, that this trip will help our guys play better up north.  The losses will hurt (especially the way they let them slip away), and that should motivate them the rest of the year....we'll see.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 01:30:04 am
As long as Ohio Knows everything is bigger and better in Texas....please go tell all your friends.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 03:25:59 am
FYI for any of you die hard fans that wanna watch a D3 matchup @ a sweet yard...CTX takes on southwestern @ the Dell Diamond next Monday.  Here is the link.



http://athletics.concordia.edu/article.cfm?newsID=988 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/article.cfm?newsID=988)


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 03:39:17 am
Im not completely convinced this UMHB team is as good as their record says they are (if you havent noticed from past posts)....But as if ranking them nationally wasnt enough to make them feel good about themselves the ASC has recognized Marcuz Volz and R.B. Garza as hitter and Pitcher of the week....I mean I am glad they are having a successful season and I want all those kids to have a great time and have success....but SRSU is 3-14 on the season, those nationaly ranked CRU should have put the beat down on the Lobos....this is a little biased, but I think the ASC should have chosen Justin Beasley (CTX) as west hitter of the week for his performance against TLU during the opening weekend of conference play.....I mean it was the ASC that picked the Bulldogs to win the West division....shouldnt such an upset and an outcome that was directly affected by a FRESHMAN'S performance angainst their own CHOSEN team deserve some Kudos?  just a thought.  I understand they are trying to spread the wealth and give credit where credit is do, but i wouldnt doubt that every team will have a player have a career day against the lobos this season.  here is the link.

HITTERS: Concordia Texas 2B Justin Beasley went 6-for-8 with two homers in two wins against Texas Lutheran. . . .  (http://HITTERS: Concordia Texas 2B Justin Beasley went 6-for-8 with two homers in two wins against Texas Lutheran. . . .)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 03:41:43 am
sorry here is the link. 

ASC POTW (http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2008/3/11/ASC_BASE_POTWs08.asp?path=baseball)

Modified for formatting -- Thanks for the link.  Ralph Turner
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 13, 2008, 08:31:33 am
As long as Ohio Knows everything is bigger and better in Texas....please go tell all your friends.

Come up and play us at Schaly Stadium in late April. Or Appleton in late May. Might be a different ballgame, maybe not.

Congrats to the teams that played well and beat us, but some of you seem like you're getting a little cocky for a conference and state that has a total of 0 Series wins.

Everything's bigger and better in Texas, except the size of the trophy case you'd need to hold all the championships and runners up plaques.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 13, 2008, 10:57:51 am
As long as Ohio Knows everything is bigger and better in Texas....please go tell all your friends.

Come up and play us at Schaly Stadium in late April. Or Appleton in late May. Might be a different ballgame, maybe not.

Congrats to the teams that played well and beat us, but some of you seem like you're getting a little cocky for a conference and state that has a total of 0 Series wins.

Everything's bigger and better in Texas, except the size of the trophy case you'd need to hold all the championships and runners up plaques.


You knew it was coming HAMBONE, I'm surprised he didn't use it earlier. I would love to hear your rebuttle to that one!

I would love to play those, year in and year out good teams from the North and Northeast later in the year. I think the games would be much more competitive, not saying that the Marietta games were not competitive, but catching those types of teams later in the year would make a very good game. I doubt that will happen just b/c of conference play and all. I think if some of OUR teams would go up there early in the year and play, the colder weather should equal the play out as well. I know that as a player i hated playing and pitching in the cold, it is something Texas players are not as use to.

Good luck to Marietta and we look forward to seeing them bounce back and making the tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 12:51:22 pm
What time is the game against Concordia and Southwestern at the Dell Diamond in Round Rock. Hope a decent crowd will show up.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 13, 2008, 12:57:24 pm
chill out ASC...all these comeback wins against marietta are gone produce some swollen heads!  I guess we'll have to leave it up to CTX to deflate those egos!  [/quote]

Hambone,

There are certainly more quotes than this one where you emphatically support your beloved Tornadoes.  That is wonderful and fantastic that you love your school so much.  However, I don't see how it is necessary that you constantly belittle other programs to make yours appear the greatest.  Your so extremely biased that you can barely see it.  Even when you tried to compliment HPU you still insulted them.  I have noticed that you constantly try to put down TLU as well.  I don't recall anyone insulting Concordia last year when they did not make the playoffs.  I feel it is time to take you down a peg or two.

I did some research on the ASC website.  It appears that TLU has won the ASC west 6 out of 7 years that they have been in the ASC.  They have won the conference 3 times in a row (we all know that), and previous to this weekend had beaten your beloved Tornadoes nine times in a row.  Now we all know that your team was the only team in ASC history to make it to the World Series.  Congratulations that is an impressive feat.  I don't see you ever mentioning that you did not even beat TLU that season.  TLU won the series and they won the west.  Concordia was not even the best team in the conference that year.  You played in a regional in Texas and played Trinity (the best team that year) after their tragic event.  I am not discrediting the fact that you won so don't over react.  I am merely tired of you constantly putting down other teams as if Concordia has done something lately.  

Now all the facts are out there.  That 2002 team was good.  That is true and it can't be argued.  They had talent.  Now can you simply support your team without having to tear down other universities' playing abilities.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2008, 01:00:45 pm
First pitch is at 2pm. I'd be there...except I work a night shift from 4-midnight.

On another note, here are the ASC teams ranked by defensive efficiency, with last year's final number afterward (except for HPU and Schreiner...don't remember why I didn't have those...)

1. Texas-Tyler .693 (.698)
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor .693 (.664)
3. Hardin-Simmons .678 (.634)
4. LeTourneau .675 (.644)
5. Ozarks .675 (.674)
6. Texas-Dallas .673 (.655)
7. Concordia-Texas .664 (.667)
8. Mississippi College .659 (.643)
9. McMurry .650 (.646)
10. Howard Payne .636 (N/A)
11. Texas Lutheran .636 (.672)
12. Sul Ross State .629 (.607)
13. East Texas Baptist .629 (.640)
14. Schreiner .607 (N/A)
15. Louisiana College .607 (.648)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 13, 2008, 01:01:20 pm
quote author=HAMBONE link=topic=5123.msg889926#msg889926 date=1205361197]
thats a big ole park out in the middle of nowhere, anything could happen.  If HPU racks up another 12 errors and kicks it around, there shouldnt be any problem.  they have a new, very young, agressive head coach....but their seasoned assisitant coach ill probably offset any bad decision he tries to make....HPU has had some scrappy teams in the past that were able to make teams play down to their level and giving them the upper hand.  All CTX has to do to come away with the result they want is pitch, play defense, get some timely hitting from their 3-4-5 holes, and play the game one pitch at a time.  Go Nados!
[/quote]

Here is the quote about HPU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2008, 02:06:32 pm
Thought I'd follow the defense numbers with a list of the top 10 pitchers in the ASC so far according to DICE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_independent_pitching_statistics). The point here is to evaluate pitchers separately from the defense behind them, so the formula only includes walks, strikeouts, home runs, and hit batters, since those results derive solely from the interaction of the pitcher and the batter. It does not adjust for park effects, the quality of the opposition, or for groundball/flyball tendencies. All that said, here are the top 10 pitchers, as well as the top pitchers from schools which did not have a player in the top 10.

1. B. Ziegler, UTT - 1.41 (17.0 IP)
2. C. Dixon, UO - 1.68 (22.2 IP)
3. B. Holland, UTT - 1.69 (33.2 IP)
4. R. Garza, UMHB - 1.96 (26.0 IP)
5. K. Barton, HSU - 2.39 (19.2 IP)
6. S. Jutze, LC - 2.45 (11.0 IP)
7. T. Koch, UO - 2.65 (25.2 IP)
8. T. Williams, MC - 2.70 (23.2 IP)
9. C. Curry, MCM - 2.79 (24.0 IP)
10. R. Ortega, SRSU - 2.84 (12.2 IP)
11. M. Cox, UTD - 3.00 (33.0 IP)
13. S. Szkotak, CTX - 3.09 (32.1 IP)
20. L. Nelson, HPU - 3.58 (17.1 IP)
25. K. Jones, SU - 3.87 (27.2 IP)
30. L. Hull, TLU - 4.13 (30.0 IP)
31. T. Stagner, ETBU - 4.22 (24.2 IP)
44. E. Hurta, LETU - 5.36 (25.0 IP)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 13, 2008, 02:41:42 pm
As long as Ohio Knows everything is bigger and better in Texas....please go tell all your friends.

Come up and play us at Schaly Stadium in late April. Or Appleton in late May. Might be a different ballgame, maybe not.

Congrats to the teams that played well and beat us, but some of you seem like you're getting a little cocky for a conference and state that has a total of 0 Series wins.

Everything's bigger and better in Texas, except the size of the trophy case you'd need to hold all the championships and runners up plaques.


You knew it was coming HAMBONE, I'm surprised he didn't use it earlier. I would love to hear your rebuttle to that one!

I would love to play those, year in and year out good teams from the North and Northeast later in the year. I think the games would be much more competitive, not saying that the Marietta games were not competitive, but catching those types of teams later in the year would make a very good game. I doubt that will happen just b/c of conference play and all. I think if some of OUR teams would go up there early in the year and play, the colder weather should equal the play out as well. I know that as a player i hated playing and pitching in the cold, it is something Texas players are not as use to.

Good luck to Marietta and we look forward to seeing them bounce back and making the tourney.

I really, REALLY tried not to, because it really isn't relevant to what happened this week with these teams and it's not to marginalize that.

Things are what they are and you are the sum total of your experience. The program is and has experienced a lot. This team has not, and hopefully starting today will set a course toward changing that fact. It gets no easier when they go back north, with Transy, Heidelberg, Wooster and Ohio Wesleyan on the schedule after TX Wesleyan.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 02:44:36 pm
CUA fan? are you kidding. Just because you dont win your side of the conference? It most certainly is how you finish. TLU that year was on prevision because they still had guys that were on scholarship, Im taking it you didnt know that? Just like UT Tyler was this past year. SO does that mean TLU cant get any credit about going to the regionals after getting swept by UT TYLER that year. You guys are to nice on here and that makes it boring. Like I said  you have a role and it is a message board, If you dont like what your reading then dont read it, its not that hard of a task, everyone on here is entitled to their opinion. KNow your role!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 02:50:38 pm
And CUA fan are you really a fan or whats your deal? cmon man get out of the toolshed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2008, 02:54:14 pm
What are you talking about, Blackcat00? I haven't even said anything about that whole argument you guys are having...or is that your problem. Are you upset/frustrated/whatever that I'm not arguing vehemently that CTX is the best team in the nation, or about things that happened SIX YEARS AGO?

I hope your statements weren't supposed to be at me, as I didn't do anything to provoke them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 02:57:14 pm
chill out ASC...all these comeback wins against marietta are gone produce some swollen heads!  I guess we'll have to leave it up to CTX to deflate those egos! 

Hambone,

There are certainly more quotes than this one where you emphatically support your beloved Tornadoes.  That is wonderful and fantastic that you love your school so much.  However, I don't see how it is necessary that you constantly belittle other programs to make yours appear the greatest.  Your so extremely biased that you can barely see it.  Even when you tried to compliment HPU you still insulted them.  I have noticed that you constantly try to put down TLU as well.  I don't recall anyone insulting Concordia last year when they did not make the playoffs.  I feel it is time to take you down a peg or two.

I did some research on the ASC website.  It appears that TLU has won the ASC west 6 out of 7 years that they have been in the ASC.  They have won the conference 3 times in a row (we all know that), and previous to this weekend had beaten your beloved Tornadoes nine times in a row.  Now we all know that your team was the only team in ASC history to make it to the World Series.  Congratulations that is an impressive feat.  I don't see you ever mentioning that you did not even beat TLU that season.  TLU won the series and they won the west.  Concordia was not even the best team in the conference that year.  You played in a regional in Texas and played Trinity (the best team that year) after their tragic event.  I am not discrediting the fact that you won so don't over react.  I am merely tired of you constantly putting down other teams as if Concordia has done something lately.  

Now all the facts are out there.  That 2002 team was good.  That is true and it can't be argued.  They had talent.  Now can you simply support your team without having to tear down other universities' playing abilities.  
[/quote]



Cry me a river guy....im sorry i made you shed some tears.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 03:00:06 pm
Hambone im not sure this guy really follows baseball as well as i thought he did. Your observations on the 2002 season are so far off it makes your blind. But its stuff info like that on here that keeps me coming back. Keep it up CUA fan
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 03:01:21 pm
There is a plaque in our name that says conference champs and West side champs if you want to take a look.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2008, 03:04:13 pm
What the heck did I say, Blackcat00? Other than that last post before this one, I haven't said a single thing about the 2002 season. If I did and I just can't remember it for some reason, feel free to quote it and I'll own up to it. Otherwise, leave me out of your self-gratification-fest. I'd rather talk about this season than the 2002 one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 13, 2008, 03:26:20 pm
yall sound like a bunch of bored women! did todays Soaps not go like yall wanted?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 13, 2008, 10:45:18 pm
CUA fan? are you kidding. Just because you dont win your side of the conference? It most certainly is how you finish. TLU that year was on prevision because they still had guys that were on scholarship, Im taking it you didnt know that? Just like UT Tyler was this past year. SO does that mean TLU cant get any credit about going to the regionals after getting swept by UT TYLER that year. You guys are to nice on here and that makes it boring. Like I said  you have a role and it is a message board, If you dont like what your reading then dont read it, its not that hard of a task, everyone on here is entitled to their opinion. KNow your role!

Actually you are incorrect.  TLU was a provisional member to D3 because they moved over from NAIA/D2.  They did not have any players on scholarship in 2002.  They were provisional for the number years alotted by the conference as was Texas-Tyler who also did not have scholarships last year when they swept TLU.   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 13, 2008, 10:57:59 pm
There is a plaque in our name that says conference champs and West side champs if you want to take a look.


Well your plaque is wrong.  You didn't win the west that season.

2002 ASC BASEBALL
East Division

                                                             Conference                                       Overall

                                                     W         L        T           Pct.              W         L         T           Pct.

Mississippi College +=   17      7      0      .708          29     14      0      .674

UT-Dallas                       13     10     0      .565          22     17      0      .564

Louisiana College *       12     12     0      .500          19     21      0      .475

East Texas Baptist +      11     13     0      .458          21     21      0      .500

LeTourneau Univ.           8      13     0      .381          14     26      0      .350

Univ. of the Ozarks        6      16     0      .273          11     27      0      .289

Austin College                4      17     0      .190           6      29      0      .176

 

West Division

                                                             Conference                                       Overall

                                                     W         L        T           Pct.              W         L         T           Pct.

Texas Lutheran =           22      5      0      .815          33      6       0      .846

Concordia-Austin #+%$ 20      7      0      .741          35     13      0      .729

Howard Payne +            19      7      0      .731          24     19      0      .558

McMurry                        15     12     0      .556          21     19      0      .529

Hardin-Simmons            12     12     0      .500          18     22      0      .450

Sul Ross State                11     11     0      .500          11     24      0      .314

Mary Hardin-Baylor       8      17     0      .320          13     24      0      .351

Schreiner                         4      23     0      .148           7      32      0      .179

 

# - ASC Tournament Champion   = - ASC Division Champion     + - ASC Tournament berth

% - NCAA-III West Regional Champion   $ - NCAA-III College World Series (7th tie)

* - NCCAA World Series participant

 
Notice the "=" sign next to Texas Lutheran.  That means ASC Division Champion.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 13, 2008, 11:37:47 pm
personally im down for trash talk on here just like a lot of other poeple here but we are not here to talk about the past.  This weekend is a great baseball weekend with McM and TLU  going at it and a very interesting UMHB-HSU series.  Does anyone have any predictions for how this weekend will go?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 13, 2008, 11:56:09 pm
I will take HSU taking two of three from UMHB I think that HSU had a good week and are on a roll with their win over UT-Tyler....8-9 with Stepp and Pimpton hitting clutch bombs in the bottom of 8 with 2 outs. o ya!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 13, 2008, 11:57:55 pm
personally im down for trash talk on here just like a lot of other poeple here but we are not here to talk about the past.  This weekend is a great baseball weekend with McM and TLU  going at it and a very interesting UMHB-HSU series.  Does anyone have any predictions for how this weekend will go?

I will go with HSU 2 of 3 no comment on McM series but i hope for the best!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 12:14:34 am
What is the minimum to make the tournament thru the first half of the season?

I think that the fourth place team goes at least 12-9 in the West.

I am looking at the overall records before last weekend's games.

I think that the fourth place team must win 7 of 9 from versus #6-#8.

I think that they must edge out the #5 team 2-1.  That gives a record of 9-3 versus the bottom four teams.

Against the top half of the division, they must go 3-6.  Getting swept versus a top team will be tough to make up at this point.

I personally think that UMHB dodged the big one versus SRSU's Jaime Rojo.

Last year, HSU went 13-7 for fourth.  CUA stayed home at 11-10 for fifth.
2007 ASC Baseball (http://www.ascsports.org/oldsite/pdffiles/standings-baseball-2007.pdf)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 12:26:12 am
JSG,
we are going to find out if logan hull is a DESCENT #1, let alone your prediction as the best pitcher in the West. the youngster is going to have a tuff task pitching under the lights against a hot McMurry team. if he continues to throw as many pitches as he has been, and continues to work from behind in the count, McM might put up some big numbers. he has a quick fastball with moderate accuracy and a pretty good slider. thats it!! hit the first good fastball and lay off the slider, its pretty simple!!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 03:09:55 am
JSG,
we are going to find out if logan hull is a DESCENT #1, let alone your prediction as the best pitcher in the West. the youngster is going to have a tuff task pitching under the lights against a hot McMurry team. if he continues to throw as many pitches as he has been, and continues to work from behind in the count, McM might put up some big numbers. he has a quick fastball with moderate accuracy and a pretty good slider. thats it!! hit the first good fastball and lay off the slider, its pretty simple!!!!

Bman3 they play @ 2pm @ TLU...no lights guy...but with as hot as the indians are right now i predict they will have him (Hull) off the mound by the end of the 3rd inning...its supposed to be somewhere around 90 degrees in Austin so we'll see what happens.  Should be a great series with TLU coming off a 2 0f 3 loss to CTX and also an attempt to save their conference record and MCM is hot but they have played a lot of games this week and are also on the road...if their arms hold up through this weekend I will have to agree with JSG on the depth of their pen.  Listen Live (link below).

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/about_tlu_athletics/athletics_internet_broadcast_schedule (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/about_tlu_athletics/athletics_internet_broadcast_schedule)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 14, 2008, 03:14:12 am
JSG,
we are going to find out if logan hull is a DESCENT #1, let alone your prediction as the best pitcher in the West. the youngster is going to have a tuff task pitching under the lights against a hot McMurry team. if he continues to throw as many pitches as he has been, and continues to work from behind in the count, McM might put up some big numbers. he has a quick fastball with moderate accuracy and a pretty good slider. thats it!! hit the first good fastball and lay off the slider, its pretty simple!!!!

Just to make sure I'm not misquoted. Here's what I said...

3. I'd venture to say that Logan Hull is more than just a decent #1. He's only a sophomore and he's arguably the best pitcher in the ASC West. You can certainly make a case for some others, and Hull does work from behind and give up a few too many free passes, but holding a pretty solid CUA team to two hits typically supersedes decent.

Notice I said arguably and that you can certainly make a case for some others. I also alluded to the fact that he's a young guy and works from behind too much.

I wouldn't be so quick to jump to a conclusion based on one game either. I'm sure we've all had bad games right? Even in '01-'02 when you were 9-2, either you ran into someone that was better that particular day, didn't get run support, etc. All I'm saying is there are a number of factors that equate to wins and losses.

Hull is certainly capable of shutting down that high octane offense as evidenced by his efforts in the ASC Championship Game (http://www.ascsports.org/oldsite/stats-baseball/bb0507a.htm) last year against what I would argue was possibly a BETTER offensive team with Cervantez and Hank Casey still around.

Let's evaluate it a little further. Because I was not careful enough to make the distinction that I meant starting pitchers, we'll go ahead and include any noteworthy relievers at this point. That said, I believe the assumption was that we were discussing rotation guys.

So here's a few worth mentioning in the West at this point in the season (and there's plenty of time for all of this to shake up):
Kyle Barton -- 0.00 ERA, 3-0, 19.2 IP, 6 BB, 18 Ks, .143 against
R.B. Garza -- 1.38 ERA, 3-1, 26.0 IP, 7 BB, 24 Ks, .198 against
Logan Hull -- 3.00 ERA, 4-1, 30.0 IP, 13 BB, 26 Ks, .219 against
Cody Curry -- 3.75 ERA, 3-0, 24.0 IP, 12 BB, 28 Ks, .239 against
Ben Whiteley -- 3.55 ERA, 3-1, 38.0 IP, 11 BB, 25 Ks, .274 against
Adam Garcia -- 3.31 ERA, 2-1. 35.1 IP, 18 BB, 28 Ks, .242 against
Kevin Jones -- 3.25 ERA, 1-2, 27.2 IP, 16 BB, 18 Ks, .257 against

I'd rank Barton (a bullpen guy thus far this season, who hitters don't get to see twice - though you can't argue with those numbers) and Garza (who honestly hasn't faced much competition other than the Ozarks) ahead of him at this point. Curry's been good, but didn't start starting until the Austin College series (because of a suspension as I understand it). Whiteley and Hull have probably faced the best competition and I perceive Hull's numbers to be better at this point in the season (plus I think Hull was a little better against CUA, than Whiteley was against TLU).

Also, the series is in Seguin so it won't be under any lights.

JSG







Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chance on March 14, 2008, 11:48:17 am
Anybody know a pitcher in the ASC that held Chapman to 3 unearned runs in 7 innings an came out of the game in the 7th with a 6-3 lead
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 14, 2008, 11:55:18 am
So here's a few worth mentioning in the West at this point in the season (and there's plenty of time for all of this to shake up):
Kyle Barton -- 0.00 ERA, 3-0, 19.2 IP, 6 BB, 18 Ks, .143 against
R.B. Garza -- 1.38 ERA, 3-1, 26.0 IP, 7 BB, 24 Ks, .198 against
Logan Hull -- 3.00 ERA, 4-1, 30.0 IP, 13 BB, 26 Ks, .219 against
Cody Curry -- 3.75 ERA, 3-0, 24.0 IP, 12 BB, 28 Ks, .239 against
Ben Whiteley -- 3.55 ERA, 3-1, 38.0 IP, 11 BB, 25 Ks, .274 against
Adam Garcia -- 3.31 ERA, 2-1. 35.1 IP, 18 BB, 28 Ks, .242 against
Kevin Jones -- 3.25 ERA, 1-2, 27.2 IP, 16 BB, 18 Ks, .257 against

To add my two cents to this discussion, here are those 7 pitchers from above ranked by DICE (I left a link in a post on the last page), along with their team's defensive efficiency.

R.B. Garza, UMHB - 1.96 DICE/.693 defensive efficiency.
Kyle Barton, HSU - 2.39/.678
Cody Curry, MCM - 2.79/.650
Adam Garcia, HPU - 3.74/.636
Kevin Jones, SU - 3.87/.607
Ben Whiteley, CTX - 4.00/.664
Logan Hull, TLU - 4.13/.636

Also, IMO, Whiteley's not even the best pitcher on the CTX staff, Szkotak is.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 12:40:19 pm
JSG,
we are going to find out if logan hull is a DESCENT #1, let alone your prediction as the best pitcher in the West. the youngster is going to have a tuff task pitching under the lights against a hot McMurry team. if he continues to throw as many pitches as he has been, and continues to work from behind in the count, McM might put up some big numbers. he has a quick fastball with moderate accuracy and a pretty good slider. thats it!! hit the first good fastball and lay off the slider, its pretty simple!!!!

Just to make sure I'm not misquoted. Here's what I said...

3. I'd venture to say that Logan Hull is more than just a decent #1. He's only a sophomore and he's arguably the best pitcher in the ASC West. You can certainly make a case for some others, and Hull does work from behind and give up a few too many free passes, but holding a pretty solid CUA team to two hits typically supersedes decent.

Notice I said arguably and that you can certainly make a case for some others. I also alluded to the fact that he's a young guy and works from behind too much.

I wouldn't be so quick to jump to a conclusion based on one game either. I'm sure we've all had bad games right? Even in '01-'02 when you were 9-2, either you ran into someone that was better that particular day, didn't get run support, etc. All I'm saying is there are a number of factors that equate to wins and losses.

Hull is certainly capable of shutting down that high octane offense as evidenced by his efforts in the ASC Championship Game (http://www.ascsports.org/oldsite/stats-baseball/bb0507a.htm) last year against what I would argue was possibly a BETTER offensive team with Cervantez and Hank Casey still around.

Let's evaluate it a little further. Because I was not careful enough to make the distinction that I meant starting pitchers, we'll go ahead and include any noteworthy relievers at this point. That said, I believe the assumption was that we were discussing rotation guys.

So here's a few worth mentioning in the West at this point in the season (and there's plenty of time for all of this to shake up):
Kyle Barton -- 0.00 ERA, 3-0, 19.2 IP, 6 BB, 18 Ks, .143 against
R.B. Garza -- 1.38 ERA, 3-1, 26.0 IP, 7 BB, 24 Ks, .198 against
Logan Hull -- 3.00 ERA, 4-1, 30.0 IP, 13 BB, 26 Ks, .219 against
Cody Curry -- 3.75 ERA, 3-0, 24.0 IP, 12 BB, 28 Ks, .239 against
Ben Whiteley -- 3.55 ERA, 3-1, 38.0 IP, 11 BB, 25 Ks, .274 against
Adam Garcia -- 3.31 ERA, 2-1. 35.1 IP, 18 BB, 28 Ks, .242 against
Kevin Jones -- 3.25 ERA, 1-2, 27.2 IP, 16 BB, 18 Ks, .257 against

I'd rank Barton (a bullpen guy thus far this season, who hitters don't get to see twice - though you can't argue with those numbers) and Garza (who honestly hasn't faced much competition other than the Ozarks) ahead of him at this point. Curry's been good, but didn't start starting until the Austin College series (because of a suspension as I understand it). Whiteley and Hull have probably faced the best competition and I perceive Hull's numbers to be better at this point in the season (plus I think Hull was a little better against CUA, than Whiteley was against TLU).

Also, the series is in Seguin so it won't be under any lights.

JSG









OOOOOOOHH Dang Bman3...JSG broke you off a lil piece of sumptin.  If you'll click on the link to the conference asc championship from last year...Logan Hull shut down that MCM team, pitching a complete 9 innings as a freshman.  Thats a pretty big time win for a young lad.  Vorhees did go 4 for 4 in that game but he didnt get any help from his teammates, so its safe to say that Brent wont be afraid to swing it today esp with the great weather we are going to have...

JSG, Bman3 and i watched the ctx vs tlu game theat Hull threw and we didnt think he was very good, we thought he just looked like another right handed pitcher...granite there are alot of factors that go into that opinion...for one it was butt-ace-cold that night so in comparison i would have looked like a girl on the mound, so just another right-hander is not that bad of a description; two the 2 teams really played sloppy, in game 1 CTX was sloppy at the plate and TLU was sloppy on D....so it was hard to get a good read on Hull with the weather and the sloppy approach at the plate from the team we wanted to see success from....the highlight of the night was Tom Williams hitting 2 absolute missles....thats always fun to watch.

I am going to try my best to make the trip down to seguine here in about an hour or so...hopefully i will have some eyeballs to help explain the box score later.

make it great day gents
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 01:35:18 pm
from what i hear the game Hull pitched in the ASC Championship was something special. i wish i could have been there so maybe my views would be different. i want to give him benefit of the doubt, but you only get ONE first impression and several of us were not impressed!! After he handed CTX their 1st and only ASC loss, i remember looking around and saying out loud,"how did that guy just beat us?" I didn't even know it was Hull and i was wondering why they wouldn't throw him. i found out the next day it was Hull and the program had an error.

watching him pitch that night and then looking at his numbers, it was two different stories. Impressive numbers, except the walks, (could have been closer to 10 if CTX would have had a CLUE at the dish, but that happens on chilli nights).   

Texas Lutheran                 IP  H  R ER BB SO  WP BK HP IBB  AB BF  FO GO
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Logan Hull  W,4-1..........   7.0  3  4  1  5  5   0  0  0  0   26 32   8  8

this is not a Rip on Hull's abilities, the hype was high and he underferformed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 14, 2008, 02:07:00 pm
TLU that year was on prevision because they still had guys that were on scholarship, Im taking it you didnt know that? Just like UT Tyler was this past year.

If I am not mistaken, Texas-Tyler was a program that started from scratch and had to serve a probational period because that was the rule.  Probably unfair since they did not have a previous scholarship player but they knew what the score was when they started up the program.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chance on March 14, 2008, 06:28:06 pm
Score at TLC 13-5 McMurry
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 14, 2008, 06:36:13 pm
Score at TLC 13-5 McMurry

Just does not look like Texas Lutheran's year this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 06:43:23 pm
Texas Lutheran                 IP  H  R ER BB SO  WP BK HP IBB  AB BF  FO GO
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Logan Hull  L,4-2..........   5.0 10 10  5  2  6   0  0  0  0   26 29   3  6
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 14, 2008, 07:43:17 pm
Looks like hes either getting them on stike outs or giving up extra bases. McMurry is hot right now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chance on March 14, 2008, 07:48:02 pm
Watch Curry an Toombs tomorrow
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 14, 2008, 09:01:02 pm
with howard payne hosting that basketball tournament, i haven't been able to get a HPU v CTX score, does anybody have one?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 09:08:19 pm
Anybody know a pitcher in the ASC that held Chapman to 3 unearned runs in 7 innings an came out of the game in the 7th with a 6-3 lead

Arnold Toombs (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcm-cu3.htm)

Try this (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcm-cu2.htm).  McMurry's Brent Voorhees gave up 2 earned runs in 6.2 on his way to a win.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 14, 2008, 09:39:58 pm
HPU wins today 32-19 over CTX
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 09:40:44 pm
CTX lost!!!! anything to say about the 12 walks and 8 errors hambone? or are you still to busy living in 2002?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 09:55:35 pm
well im not gunna talk to much hambone cause its not confirmed yet but if you know the score let us know.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 10:12:08 pm
CTX lost!!!! anything to say about the 12 walks and 8 errors hambone? or are you still to busy living in 2002?


yeah i have a few things to say about...1 this is the first ive heard of it, i was unsuccessful finding it on the web; 2 if its true, and im sure it is, that is one heck of a sloppy game and im glad i didnt burn up a tank of gas to watch that circus; and 3 no im not in 2002 neverland today, i was busy laying out at the pool with some ladies...tough day.  man those indians are on fire right now. ctx better get some rest.  and they need to learn how to win on friday. im gonna go throw up now.  cif anyone knows where the ctx box score is posted, please post the link.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 10:16:02 pm
Dangit.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 10:20:46 pm
CTX lost!!!! anything to say about the 12 walks and 8 errors hambone? or are you still to busy living in 2002?


yeah i have a few things to say about...1 this is the first ive heard of it, i was unsuccessful finding it on the web; 2 if its true, and im sure it is, that is one heck of a sloppy game and im glad i didnt burn up a tank of gas to watch that circus; and 3 no im not in 2002 neverland today, i was busy laying out at the pool with some ladies...tough day.  man those indians are on fire right now. ctx better get some rest.  and they need to learn how to win on friday. im gonna go throw up now.  cif anyone knows where the ctx box score is posted, please post the link.

Well at least you finnaly came out of that stage and thats a good reason to not know the score
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 14, 2008, 10:23:18 pm
Dangit what hammy?????
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 10:36:08 pm
rest?!? ya right, they're probably still running perimeters. 32-19!?! i know the feeling. my freshman year joe fichera and mcmurry did us like that....three times!!! not a good day to be a CTX pitcher....was the wind blowing straight out....did we not use gloves....what happened? bad things always seem to happen when CTX goes up there. hope they can pull it together tomorrow and win the doubleheader.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 10:41:28 pm
Has CTX added football already?   :D  ;)

Yes the wind was blowing straight out of the west at about 30 MPH. Temperature was in the 80's and less than 10% humidity.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 10:49:14 pm
Has CTX added football already?   :D  ;)

Yes the wind was blowing straight out of the west at about 30 MPH. Temperature was in the 80's and less than 10% humidity.

good one Ralph!! ;D :o
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 10:51:15 pm
i would love to see the box score if anyone could post it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 10:52:55 pm
McM 13, TLU 5 (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/tlumcm1.htm)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 14, 2008, 10:53:32 pm
probably not gonna happen anytime soon, Abram is busy with the Sweet 16 in Brownwood - I'd guess it'll be up by Sunday or Monday on HPU's site, you'll be better off checking the ASC web site, http://www.ascsports.org - they may have the final box sooner.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 11:32:40 pm
HSU beats UMHB in the 11th on a balk!...HSU had runners on first and third with 2 outs and an 0-2 count on Steep.  The runner at 1st left on an early steal and caused the pitcher to balk....someone needs to tell that kid what to do in that situation!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 14, 2008, 11:45:14 pm
what you do to that is, let that guy take second and wave at him while he running!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2008, 12:43:09 am
what you do to that is, let that guy take second and wave at him while he running!
You accept bountiful gifts when presented to you.

That is a good win for HSU!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chance on March 15, 2008, 12:50:36 am
Anyone know the conference standings
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2008, 01:28:00 am
Anyone know the conference standings
ASC Standings (http://www.ascsports.org/)

McM, UMHB, HPU are all 3-1,  HSU, CUA  2-2, TLU 1-3.

SU and SRSU score is not available.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 15, 2008, 01:45:12 am
I guess that 32-19 loss for CTX is karma from the whipping we put on ETBU last year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 15, 2008, 04:46:42 am
im all for karma and doing things right on and off the field to keep the baseball gods happy....but i dont think karma or gods had anything to do with a 32-19 baseball game.  just to score 19 runs in a game is a feat.  need i say more?  there is gonna be 2 box scores for that 1 game when they finally come out.  At least everyone decided to swing the bat, heck i was I a DH, 32-19 actually sounds fun....that means about 9 abats apiece!  too bad it was a conf game.

well boys and girls...looks like we have a 5 team race.  remember the winner of the west hosts the conference tourney and the west regional is already scheduled @ McMurry....its too bad the rest of the indians season is on the road.  I know one thing, there are some guys absolutely swinging the bat well, with the pitching being as bad as it is this year, I think the hitting is much better all around than usual....Personally I think you have to be a better hitter to hit bad pitching consistently which is what all these 3-4-5 guys are doing for all of these teams...I do understand that weak hitters match up well against bad pitching but that just means that your mean, median, and mode decrease which is normally under the mendoza line. 

Those Nados need to go eat at UNDERWOODS for breakfast.  Chicken-fried steak and eggs!

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 15, 2008, 10:36:33 am
hambone, shut up with your "mean, median, mode" crap. what would decrease? definately not ERA's and definately not BA, HITS, RUNS, or RBI's. bad pitching is bad pitching. it does take patience and disapline from a hitter against bad pitching, thats a given. but i im not following you on that one.

and for anyone in the ASC that hasnt eaten at UNDERWOODS in Brownwood, it is a must.


 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 15, 2008, 10:49:31 am
SU beat sul ross 6-5
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 15, 2008, 12:09:55 pm
hambone, shut up with your "mean, median, mode" crap. what would decrease? definately not ERA's and definately not BA, HITS, RUNS, or RBI's. bad pitching is bad pitching. it does take patience and disapline from a hitter against bad pitching, thats a given. but i im not following you on that one.

and for anyone in the ASC that hasnt eaten at UNDERWOODS in Brownwood, it is a must.


 



Bman3 dont be mad because I am on the Junior Varsity and you are still a second-stringer. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 15, 2008, 01:08:48 pm
Bman3 dont be mad because I am on the Junior Varsity and you are still a second-stringer. 
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once again someone has to correct HAMBONE. I am still a starting Junior Varsity player and you are a Second-Stringer, and probably sill dont play
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 15, 2008, 07:14:51 pm
HAMBONE, a former ASC player......is no longer living in the past. he was invited to play in a special "Invitation ONLY Game" at the Dell Diamond this Saturday. amazingly, he still had it going 6 for 6 with 3 singles, 2 doubles, and a TRIPLE. this was his first triple of his illustrious career. what a game. he faught hard for the cycle, but came up a HR short of the cycle against the 50 and Under Mens League Team. yes, 50 and Under!! but apparently they were really really really good, so dont let anyone mess with you about that HAMBONE.....i think you've still got it!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 15, 2008, 08:37:59 pm
MCM in the first game won 19-5 then lost 11-10 to TLU. MCM took 2 of 3 from TLU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 15, 2008, 09:18:11 pm
HAMBONE, a former ASC player......is no longer living in the past. he was invited to play in a special "Invitation ONLY Game" at the Dell Diamond this Saturday. amazingly, he still had it going 6 for 6 with 3 singles, 2 doubles, and a TRIPLE. this was his first triple of his illustrious career. what a game. he faught hard for the cycle, but came up a HR short of the cycle against the 50 and Under Mens League Team. yes, 50 and Under!! but apparently they were really really really good, so dont let anyone mess with you about that HAMBONE.....i think you've still got it!

Bman3 im not sure how you got those stats but at least they are accurate...i cant even get a hold of box scores from institutions that charge $25,000 a year for school.  but yes i did go 6 for 6 today.  like i said before...mediocre pitching matches up well with mediocre hitting...very few have what it takes to hit bad pitching consistently...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 16, 2008, 12:48:46 am
my prayers go out to the Jacoby family with the loss of Mr. Fred Jacoby today.  For those that don't know Fred was the Commissioner of the ASC for 10 years before retiring in 2006.  full story link below.  I had to opportunity to befriend Mr. Jacoby during my 4 years @ CTX serving on the ASC Athletic Advisory Committee, he was a great man and loved helping student athletes. RIP

Fred Jacoby (http://www.ascsports.org/News/gen/2008/3/15/ASC_JACOBY.asp?path=gen)

Modified for formatting -- Thanks for the link. Yes, he will be missed.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2008, 02:49:46 am
Thought I'd follow the defense numbers with a list of the top 10 pitchers in the ASC so far according to DICE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_independent_pitching_statistics). The point here is to evaluate pitchers separately from the defense behind them, so the formula only includes walks, strikeouts, home runs, and hit batters, since those results derive solely from the interaction of the pitcher and the batter. It does not adjust for park effects, the quality of the opposition, or for groundball/flyball tendencies.

To add my two cents to this discussion, here are those 7 pitchers from above ranked by DICE (I left a link in a post on the last page), along with their team's defensive efficiency.

R.B. Garza, UMHB - 1.96 DICE/.693 defensive efficiency.
Kyle Barton, HSU - 2.39/.678
Cody Curry, MCM - 2.79/.650
Adam Garcia, HPU - 3.74/.636
Kevin Jones, SU - 3.87/.607
Ben Whiteley, CTX - 4.00/.664
Logan Hull, TLU - 4.13/.636

Also, IMO, Whiteley's not even the best pitcher on the CTX staff, Szkotak is.

CUAFan,

I really enjoy the statistical analysis you provide and the extra dimension it provides for discussion. I also think there's some relevance to DICE #'s and a pitcher's success, though I probably agree more with Tippett in that BABIP (Batting Average on Balls In Play), though more volatile on a year to year basis, is still partially the result of the pitcher's skill.

And while DICE technically measures things that aren't influenced by a defense I would argue that a pitcher is very often influenced by his defense. If your defense is fielding .975 do you think a pitcher feels more comfortable working ahead, throwing a lot of strikes and letting the opposition put the ball in play? If they're fielding .935, might that same pitcher try to bare more of the of the burden and throw more pitches in an effort to induce more strikeouts, but invariably walking more guys as well?

And isn't the home run aspect at least partially influenced by the park effects? I'd be the first to say that CUA pitchers are at a disadvantage when it comes to giving up HR.

In other words, while I really do appreciate the contribution of DICE, I myself will probably never look at them with the same credibility that I give other stats. To me, a pitcher that strikes out 0 hitters, but throws soft ground balls all day is successfully doing his job on the mound.

What about a guy like Pedro Martinez that actually has pretty impeccable control, but is consistently near the top of the MLB in HBP. I realize he's the exception, but he's hitting guys on purpose and it's proved to be an effective tactic for him.

How would Nolan Ryan rank on the DICE scale with all the walks he gave up?

To me the DICE stat (and the similar stat you produced last year) just didn't speak to me because I could then, and still can give a valid argument as to why Adam Enloe was a  better pitcher than Jonathan Miller (despite his awesome K/BB ratio) in conference play last year. That's meant to take nothing away from the phenomal season Miller had and the way he carried a CUA team that was down last year, but with two blind stat lines I just don't see how many people could feasibly say Miller was better in conference (at least not without using DICE ;-) )

As far as Szkotak goes, I don't know that I disagree provided he's spotting his soft stuff well, but Whiteley's numbers would indicate that he's probably been the better pitcher thus far this year (at least in terms of success against the opposition).

JSG

   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 17, 2008, 03:57:36 pm
JSG, I would freely admit that DICE (and other statistics like it) are far from perfect. Studies have made it clear (as you point out) that pitchers do have some influence on their BABIP, as well as that certain types of pitchers (i.e., flyball, groundball, etc.) tend to have certain types of BABIPs. Unfortunately, that kind of flyball/groundball data would be tedious to gather for D3 pitchers, and I have been unable to find a formula that includes hits and the like that I am comfortable with. I would much rather use the STUFF stat that Baseball Prospectus uses, but I haven't quite figured out how to make it work in Excel. Given the above, I think that DICE is a useful tool for analyzing pitchers, but is definitely not the last word. I never saw Enloe pitch last year, but I do know that when hitters made contact on Miller, a lot of them were line drives or hard grounders, both of which are more difficult to field than a fly ball (all else equal). Perhaps Enloe gave up more easy fly balls or soft grounders than Miller, which may have given him the edge.

On a side note, I figured up pitcher-specific defensive efficiencies to help address this, so that it is easier to see which pitchers get more help from their defense (though the resulting efficiency is definitely influenced by the pitcher's GB/FB tendencies). One guy (I forget who) is getting no help at all...when he pitches, the defensive efficiency is only .456...meaning that over half of the balls in the field of play go for hits...just terrible.

In a couple days, I'll have a set of region-wide team rankings using second-order wins that you may find interesting (prior to this weekend Puget Sound was in the top 5, and I don't think I've seen you mention them at all).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 17, 2008, 04:42:19 pm
you two can argue DICE, STUFF, BABIP, SIPLX, CRAP or any other kind of quantitative statistical method formula you can plug into excel. the best way to evaluate a pitcher is to WATCH him perform on the mound. is there a formula for placing an inside fastball on the black with the bases loaded in a tie ballgame with a full count? i'll take that pitcher all day, the guy who gets it done when it counts the most. there are PLAYERS, and then there are GAMERS. players play and gamers WIN!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2008, 04:48:22 pm
You hit it on the head Bman. Technology these days still cant determine the mindset of what some pitchers have in the game. 3-2 offspeed, having the balls to throw inside and that aggressive mentality. Like its said ,you have throwers and u have pitchers and thats why the scouts go to the games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2008, 05:46:08 pm
On a side note, I figured up pitcher-specific defensive efficiencies to help address this, so that it is easier to see which pitchers get more help from their defense (though the resulting efficiency is definitely influenced by the pitcher's GB/FB tendencies).

Which I did appreciate. Also, it's definitely not a coincidence that the teams at the bottom of the ASC have (for the most part) poor defensive efficiencies.

In a couple days, I'll have a set of region-wide team rankings using second-order wins that you may find interesting (prior to this weekend Puget Sound was in the top 5, and I don't think I've seen you mention them at all).

Definitely looking forward to it.

Puget Sound was 8-3 prior to this weekend, but 5 of those 8 wins were against a weak Whitman team that is 2-14 and dead last in the NWC. 2 more were against a Whitworth team that's 5-13 (they split the series 2-2). They got hammered by the Linfield team that is currently first in the conference, and then they got beat by the Redlands and pretty marginal Occidental team this weekend.

I realize those two were after what you had initially put together.

I think they're probably the 5th or 6th best team in that 9-team conference; nonethless, like I said before, I'm still looking forward to whatever you put together.

JSG 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2008, 05:54:55 pm
you two can argue DICE, STUFF, BABIP, SIPLX, CRAP or any other kind of quantitative statistical method formula you can plug into excel.

Isn't that part of what makes baseball fun to discuss?

The best way to evaluate a pitcher is to WATCH him perform on the mound. is there a formula for placing an inside fastball on the black with the bases loaded in a tie ballgame with a full count? i'll take that pitcher all day, the guy who gets it done when it counts the most. there are PLAYERS, and then there are GAMERS. players play and gamers WIN!!!

I agree 100% with this statement. There is definitely something to be said about a guy that pitches the way you and Blackcat have both mentioned, provided they're doing it in an intelligent way.

I'll take the savvy, tender-armed veteran throwing because it is what he has to do for his team to win over some guy throwing a flat 90 with awful offspeed stuff.

Give me the guy that starts on Friday, pitches a complete game and comes back Saturday evening and wants to pitch the 9th in game three for the save with a playoff spot on the line. I'm not advocating overwork to the point of injury under any circumstances, but special pitchers tend to step up in big situations and you alluded that fact.

You hit it on the head Bman. Technology these days still cant determine the mindset of what some pitchers have in the game. 3-2 offspeed, having the balls to throw inside and that aggressive mentality. Like its said ,you have throwers and u have pitchers and thats why the scouts go to the games.

I'd argue that scouts sometimes go to the games to check out a thrower. Maybe he throws 92-94 with an effortless motion, but has no idea where it's going. Chances are the scout might be willing to take a late round flyer on that guy don't you think?

But again, I understand the point you're trying to illustrate as well, and I whole-heartily agree with the sentiment.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 17, 2008, 07:01:06 pm
Man you guys are getting really deep today! 

I just watched CTX bounce back from a rocky weekend @ HPU and pumble Southwestern 11-0 @ the Dell Diamond....i saw a lot of good things i liked...18 hits, none of which were cheap, they were hitting 2 round objects pretty squarely today.  bunting runners up, delayed steals, hit and run plays, ZERO ERRORS on defense, and a combined effort shutout performance from the pitching staff that was most likely pretty sore from last weekends circus.  Hopefully they are all mature enough to learn something today indiviually and collectively, and if they did, they just may peak at the right time this season.  Solid performance today from the Tornados, I didnt witness a weak link in the lineup or on the mound.  Go Nados.

On another note...Southwestern who seems to play great one day and poor the next, looks as though they are just giving mentally....not a whole lot of enthusiasm from anyone on their team.  They looked beat from the first pitch.  Maybe they are worn out from those 4 game series they are playing?  I thought they looked much better when these 2 matched up earlier in the season...either that or the 32-19 game was a turning point in the tornados season...we will see.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2008, 07:28:01 pm
Wow 11-0, Gardner must have really lit a fire under them. Maybe this weekend series will get things going. Hambone, was this anything compared to our Weekend stand with the ACes at the Dell Diamond, or was this game a little evenly matched?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2008, 08:05:26 pm
How about some notable things going on so far in the ASC to entice a bit of discussion?

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 17, 2008, 10:46:39 pm
Good win for Mississippi College tonight beating #13 Illinois Wesleyan 8-6. The Choctaws got off to a terrible start this year going 1-7, but they are 9-4 since then. Big series this weekend at UT-Dallas.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 18, 2008, 01:00:28 pm
Here are some conference numbers I've figured up. They do not include games as of last night though. The speed lists (team and player) use Baseball Prospectus' SPEED stat, the defensive efficiency numbers are the percentage of balls in the field of play that are turned into outs, DICE has been linked to before, and batting uses BaseRuns per plate appearance.

Top 5 Team Speed
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 9.27
Texas-Tyler - 8.77
Mississippi College - 8.39
Ozarks - 8.23
Howard Payne - 8.10

Top 5 Team Defense
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .694
Texas-Tyler - .688
Ozarks - .680
Hardin-Simmons - .673
Texas-Dallas - .673

Top 10 Pitchers
B. Ziegler, UTT - 1.44 DICE, .694 defensive efficiency (this number is pitcher specific)
B. Holland, UTT - 1.55, .660
C. Dixon, UO - 1.89, .714
T. Koch, UO - 2.53, .671
R. Garza, UMHB - 2.67, .709
M. Cox, UTD - 2.69, .728
T. Williams, MC - 2.70, .653
C. Curry, MCM - 2.71, .607
S. Szkotak, CTX - 2.90, .599
B. Booher, UTT - 2.95, .759

Top 10 Hitters
T. Williams, CTX - .369 BaseRuns/PA
W. Franco, MCM - .338
R. Finnell, UO - .318
D. David, MCM - .310
C. Briggs, UO - .303
M. Volz, UMHB - .302
J. Arrieta, SRSU - .296
J. Harding, UTT - .291
M. Caggiano, UTT - .290
B. Cameron, UO - .281

Top 10 Individual Speed
J. Villegas, UMHB - 14.70
A. White, UMHB - 13.99
K. Harvey, TLU - 13.71
L. Jones, MCM - 13.55
C. Baker, UTT - 13.34
M. Caggiano, UTT - 12.83
D. Roux, LC - 12.58
B. Shaffer, HPU - 12.50
J. Smith, UTD - 11.87
N. Loving, HPU - 11.51
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 18, 2008, 06:30:26 pm
top 2 teams on each side of the conference go at it this weekend...predictions?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 18, 2008, 08:59:32 pm
Well Mr indian for life I have a prediction in my head....and I think you know what it is!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 18, 2008, 09:23:32 pm
Anything for the east mr gangster?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 18, 2008, 09:42:55 pm
ok with Miss taking on UT-D i will take Miss taking 2 of 3, I will take ETBU also taking 2 of 3 from LaTourneau, UT-T will take 2 of 3 from Ozarks maybe a sweep UT-T swings the bats real well, in teh west HSU should sweep Schriner, I will have TLU bounce back and take 2 of 3 from HPU, and I will have CTX take 2 of 3 from Sul Ross.!!!!!! anyone else have anything to say or predict?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 18, 2008, 09:59:28 pm
Hopefully Concordia will take care of bussiness, but Sul Ross has a solid Friday  night thrower so that game will be tough for the tornadoes. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 19, 2008, 01:56:07 am
My picks for the weekend:

Texas Lutheran takes 2 from Howard Payne
LeTourneau takes 2 from East Texas Baptist
Hardin-Simmons sweeps Schreiner
Mary Hardin-Baylor takes 2 from McMurry
Concordia-Texas sweeps Sul Ross State
Texas-Dallas sweeps Mississippi College
Texas-Tyler takes 2 from Ozarks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 19, 2008, 12:46:06 pm
i think this week is going to interesting.

CTX sweeps SRU
TLU sweeps HPU
HSU 2 of 3 SU
McM 2 of 3 MHB

LU 2 of 3 ETB
UTD 2 of 3 MC
UTT 2 of 3 OU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 09:25:21 pm
i think this week is going to interesting.

CTX sweeps SRU
TLU sweeps HPU
HSU 2 of 3 SU
McM 2 of 3 MHB

LU 2 of 3 ETB
UTD 2 of 3 MC
UTT 2 of 3 OU
If UMHB wins the series over McMurry 2 of 3, then they will have a "2.5" game lead over McMurry.  If McMurry takes the series 2 of 3, then McMurry will have the tie-breaker.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 20, 2008, 06:41:37 pm
UMHB takes game one 13-11. Pitchers dual.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 20, 2008, 07:55:32 pm
Hardin Simmons wins 6-2 over Schreiner
Howard Payne wins 10-5 over Texas Lutheran
Mississippi College wins 12-2 over UT-Dallas

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 20, 2008, 08:30:34 pm
Ok so everyone is questioning if the CRU really is a legit team and there is really nothing to say but they are a legit team.  I watched them play 2 weeks ago and they hae the complete package. Defense, Hitting, and a Really good staff.  Not to forget they are 16-4 on the year and #20 in the Nation.  You dont just go 16-4 and get ranked nationally if you are not a legit team.  Wells and Dunaway have done a great job with those kids down there in Belton and nobody should question their talent.  I played through the rough days in Belton and coached for a year there to and this is by far the best team in the last 10 years at UMHB.  They have a kid by the name of Villegas that is probably the best D3 player to come through this conference. 

You say what is in the water down in Belton in previous post, and can I say this what was in the Water in Austin for 5 years with all the monkeys yall had there.  You make fun of Champion for his Eye black and things like and what you guys do not realize is we did those things to make fun of the Deckers and Krogs in our conference.  Not trying to stir any bad blood or anything just simply trying to state a point. 

I look for the CRU to win the West and Dual it out with UT-Tyler in the conference tournament. 

My pick for the weekend is the CRU wins 2 of 3 From McMurry
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 20, 2008, 08:45:32 pm
UMHB won today 13-11 over McM
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 20, 2008, 09:50:59 pm
Hambone went to the game today and was relaying to me that both teams have good hitting, and a decent right handed pitching. UMHB is on a roll and we will see what they can do and not fold like last year.

Sul Ross has a great opening night pitcher and its currently 4-1 CTX in the fourth.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 20, 2008, 09:55:11 pm
Whoa, settle down ex Cru coach, Hambone is great friends with Champion and was giving him some old fashion tough love. Lower that blood tempeture and keep your composure ( you are a coach right?) Decker and Krog made a name for themselves in the ASC  so I guess you could say you can look up to those guys for the eyeblack jokes. Anyways your Crew is good to go this year and as far as Vellega or whatever, thats pushing it as far as u stating him the  best player in the conf to come out, but you do have your opinion  Can he hold the likes of Voorhees, Williams and other s jocks of the conference, Hell does that guy pitch or hit, give us some info and we will see through ASC play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 20, 2008, 11:16:08 pm
Ozarks def UT Tyler 6-4 (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-23b.htm)

Both teams pitched pretty well, but Ozarks finally get to Cambpell in the 7th.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 21, 2008, 10:05:56 am
it does look like UMHB and THE OZARKS are really turning it around this year. i think that the surprise has to go to the Ozarks. what a job these guys have done. i thought UT-Tyler was going to put them back into place this weekend, but i have wrongly underestimated them. but lets all remember, its not who wins the division...its who wins the conference. can't wait until the tournament!

Sader22, when did you play or coach at UMHB? and as for the monkey comment, that was pretty low. you must have been there when those monkeys were kicking the CRU around.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 21, 2008, 10:17:22 am
as for the Joseph Villegas comment, he is putting up some really nice numbers. but the best player ever to come out of the ASC, dude, come on...really.  he is only a sophomore, lets give him some time and the coaches some time to scout him.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 21, 2008, 12:37:25 pm
heck ya 2nd stringer!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 21, 2008, 01:29:27 pm
I did not see this posted.  For the Ozark-Tyler games today

Broadcast (for all 3 games):
mms://utattyler.wmlivesvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_utattyler_vitalstream_com_baseball
Game 1 Live Stats:
http://uttyler.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/?event=646489&school=txty&sport=mbasebl&
Game 2 Live Stats:
http://uttyler.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/?event=646490&school=txty&sport=mbasebl&
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2008, 01:49:02 pm
there is really nothing to say but they are a legit team.

I guess it depends on your definition of a legit team. Are they a contender in the ASC? Yes, absolutely no doubt. Do I think they're a threat in a Western Regional? No, probably not. Though, everyone knows that anything can happen in those things. That said, I don't think they'll get out of the conference tournament, and I doubt they'll have the resume to earn an at-large bid.

I watched them play 2 weeks ago and they havee the complete package. Defense, Hitting, and a Really good staff.

This is where I disagree. It's pretty easy to look like you have the complete package against a team like Sul Ross. I think UMHB is a really good offensive team, though they did struggle against the Ozarks staff in those first two games.

In terms of defense though, they're fielding .942, which isn't very good. The left side of their infield is fielding .904 and .870 respectively. That's pretty awful.

For me, the jury is still out on the staff. A 5.30 ERA isn't all that impressive, but the ASC as a whole isn't very deep on the bump this year. That's something Hambone has consistently alluded to and I definitely agree. Garza is a pretty solid #1, but he hasn't pitched great against the good teams (Ozarks, Hardin Simmons, and now McMurry). I AM starting to like their depth though with Tumlinson seemingly healthy now and throwing well, and the FR Hopper has been pretty good as the number three.

Are they the best team in the West? You could make a very good case for them if they take one of the two from McMurry today.

Not to forget they are 16-4 on the year and #20 in the Nation.  You dont just go 16-4 and get ranked nationally if you are not a legit team.
 

National rankings don't mean a whole lot, though Jim Dixon and all the people voting this year have done a better job than the ABCA poll. Again, UMHB has played a pretty weak schedule. That said, I'm very glad that they're ranked. Like everyone else, I think it's about time the ASC starts getting some respect nationally and with three teams ranked it seems as though they finally are.

Taking 2 of 3 from McMurry should help solidify their spot on the rankings.

They have a kid by the name of Villegas that is probably the best D3 player to come through this conference. 

I'm a big fan of Villegas and the things he brings to the table, but I feel you're a little premature touting him as the best player in the conference.

For those that don't know here's his stats:
.421 AVG, 11 2B, 5 3B, 5 HR, 22 RBI, .800 SLG, .452 OBP, 7-7 SBs.

He's definitely one of the best offensive players in the conference, and he certainly deserved newcomer of the year over Colton Hermes last year, but like I said let's wait on calling him the best player to come through the entire conference with some of the resumes that some other guys currently have.

JSG


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 21, 2008, 03:03:00 pm
Concordia defeats Sul Ross 14-4
CTX needs to sweep this series

Beasly goes deep again, where did this guy come from. He has def earned a spot in the lineup and his conference statistics are outstanding.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2008, 03:26:04 pm
UT Tyler defeat Ozarks 2-1. Dixon and Holland both threw well. Holland moved to 6-0 on the year.

Texas Lutheran defeated Howard Payne 5-3
Brad Wesson was the winning pitcher. Robert Conley got the save.

Can't find live stats for the UT Dallas vs. Mississippi game or the McMurry vs. UMHB game.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 21, 2008, 04:20:31 pm
Schreiner 4, HSU 3 in 11 innings
CTX 11, SRSU 3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 21, 2008, 04:22:47 pm
MCM 3, UMHB 0 F
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 21, 2008, 04:27:13 pm
Up-to-date standings going into game three. Game three of these series' are going to be HUGE.

Mary Hardin-Baylor   6-2
Howard Payne   5-3
Concordia   5-3
McMurry   5-3
Schreiner   4-4
Hardin-Simmons   3-5
Texas Lutheran   3-5
Sul Ross State   1-7
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 21, 2008, 04:33:50 pm
HPU is up 8-2 on TLU in the 3rd (I think) of the 2nd game.

The TLU radio guy isn't exactly the greatest so it's hard to follow him except when he's yelling at the ump on the air.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 21, 2008, 04:37:02 pm
Wow TLU is in a tailspin, not living up to the preseason favorites.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 21, 2008, 04:39:52 pm
The game was close before TLU's starting pitcher went out with an injury after a play at the plate when an HPU player slid into him.  After that TLU went downhill.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2008, 06:23:56 pm
HPU is up 8-2 on TLU in the 3rd (I think) of the 2nd game.

The TLU radio guy isn't exactly the greatest so it's hard to follow him except when he's yelling at the ump on the air.

I have been listening to the Ozarks/Tyler game, and the Trinity/Southwestern game, but after your comment I couldn't resist tuning in for a bit.

You're right. I realize it's division III baseball, but there has to be some level of impartiality.  He's been yelling at the umpires all game. In addition to that he's critiquing the TLU team on air. He's claiming that every hitter is taking over-anxious swings, and has told nearly every hitter in the TLU lineup to "Come On" at least once.

It's one thing noting that a hitter reached at pitch or that a hitter has a tendency to chase bad pitches or strike out alot, but I find it hard to believe that everyone that flies out on a 2-0 pitch has a bad approach at the plate. I guess that goes back to being impartial.

When I listen to a game I want to know a.) what's going on in terms of the play by play and b.) other things about the players and teams that I might find interesting that would add to the game. What's a guy hitting with runners in scoring position if he comes up with runners on? How has the new pitcher thrown this year? In his last few outings? Make me feel like I'm there watching it.

In the announcer's defense, it's very tough with a one man crew to stay on top of everything, but I can expect an impartial approach.

JSG




Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2008, 06:29:56 pm
With two outs and a 3-1 lead Booher gave up a single and a walk.  He was lifted for Colby Munchrath who walked pinch-hitter Cameron, and then gave up a 2 RBI double to Broussard. Munchrath was then lifted for Lex Wolfe who promptly hit the next two hitters to give Ozarks a 4-3 lead before Josh Long came in to record the final out of the 7th.

Tyler still has a great weekend rotation, but they are certainly missing their DEEP bullpen that featured Nate Jennings, Greg Johnson, Patrick McClure, Michael Stutts and Blake Burnett.

UPDATE: Clay Baker hit a 2 -run HR to put Tyler back up 1.
UPDATE: Robby Finnell answers with a 2-run HR of his own to put Ozarks up 1 in the top of the 8th off of Beau Ziegler.
UPDATE: Brad Broussard makes back to back errors at 3B. Farra then hit an RBI 2B and then Braden came around to score to a passed ball.

Didn't show the last out on the play-by-play, but UT Tyler hangs on to win 7-6 to take the series 2-1. Possibly the best series you'll see in the ASC this year. After watching both of these staffs, I think they're definitely the best two teams in the ASC.

UPDATE: Texas Lutheran has scored a few runs in the bottom of the 8th. Lots of yelling so I don't know what's going on, but I think it's 17-12 Bulldogs favor. Sounded like they got fired up after head coach Greg Burnett got tossed.
UPDATE: I believe TLU ended up scoring 12 runs in the 8th to take a 24-12 lead.

TLU: 24-22-4
HPU: 12-15-3

TLU wins the series 2-1.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 21, 2008, 07:16:59 pm
I had to leave work and didn't get to listen past the 6th inning.  HPU isn't deep at all in pitching so with playing 9 innings in the 3rd game it really wears them down.


And I told you about the radio guy :)  it's ok to root for your team but there's a line somewhere that he crossed when yelling out certain things.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2008, 07:26:15 pm
Concordia defeated Sul Ross 8-5 to take that rubber game, and Schreiner swepth the DH from Hardin Simmons today with a 4-1 CG one-hitter from starter Kevin Jones.
UMHB defeated McMurry 11-6. No details yet.

Here are the updated West Standings thus far:

Mary Hardin-Baylor   7-2
Concordia   6-3
McMurry   5-4
Howard Payne   5-4
Schreiner   5-4
Texas Lutheran   4-5
Hardin-Simmons   3-6
Sul Ross State   1-8

Pretty muddled race right now.

Here's the updated East Standings:

Texas-Tyler 5-1
La. College 5-1
Miss. College 7-2
Ozarks 6-3
East Texas Baptist 1-6
Texas-Dallas 1-8
LeTourneau 0-4

Looks like the four playoff spots in the East might already be locked up. I can't believe that UT Dallas has struggled to this extent. I know they lost ALOT, and that their early season schedule was relatively soft but they did sweep a fairly competitive HPU team, beat Southwestern a couple of times, and defeated Marietta.

Their pitching has been a little better than I anticipated, but offensively I guess their numbers at the beginning of the year were inflated due to their soft-schedule. They did lose a phenomenal offensive team last year.

JSG


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 22, 2008, 01:16:32 am
Ok your right I did take it a little far with the monkey comment and I apologize, I guess I was just kind of tired of some people and remember I do say some people not giving credit where credit is due.  Ohh yes and I was there at the times when CTX did woop us every single year and it looks like those days are behind us.  So apologize for any wrong things I might have said just trying to represent my alma mater. 

Champion is a good friend of mine to and I was just joking as well, this is all for fun and games not trying to permanently piss anybody off.  What I should of said about Villegas is he is from what I have seen out of him in person he is better than anybody in D3 I have seen or played against at this point so that is the way I should have said those things. 

And again I apologize for the monkey comment should not have said that.

I agree that the Krogs and people like that in this conference did make a name for this conference but come on that was a while back im sure anybody in this message board could have done the same if we all got to play 9 seasons in the same conference. 

My prediction was right the CRU 2 of 3 from McMurry
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 22, 2008, 03:52:02 am
Ohh yes one more thing is anybody as excited as I am that TLU is not living up to there beloved name in the ASC, I know im not the only one that was tired of hearing about TLU year in and year out.  Its about time they start talking about other teams in the conference. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 22, 2008, 04:12:04 am
Ohh yes one more thing is anybody as excited as I am that TLU is not living up to there beloved name in the ASC, I know im not the only one that was tired of hearing about TLU year in and year out.  Its about time they start talking about other teams in the conference. 

I am glad that there seems to be a bit of parity in the West this year and that it should make for a really interesting race for playoff spots (and positioning) down the stretch.

Other teams have emerged and grown their programs, and in doing so seem to have shifted the balance of power just a bit. By all accounts TLU and UT Dallas are also having down years and that has contributed to that fact.

As far as talking about other teams in the conference, well that comes with winning. That's what Ozarks and UMHB are doing this year that they haven't necessarily done in the past. It becomes easy to hear about TLU because they became the safest pick because they've won the West regular season every year since 2001 with the exception of the 2004 year.

UMHB caused a little buzz last year when they broke the mold of TLU, MCM,CUA and HSU being the top four teams in the conference every year since 2003. It got easy to say well we'll see those 4 teams and Mississippi College and Dallas in the postseason. Last year you saw the power beginning to switch just a bit, and now it seems as though there might be even more parity.

It should continue to be a fun season to watch from a fans perspective.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 22, 2008, 01:00:37 pm
Ok your right I did take it a little far with the monkey comment and I apologize, I guess I was just kind of tired of some people and remember I do say some people not giving credit where credit is due.  Ohh yes and I was there at the times when CTX did woop us every single year and it looks like those days are behind us.  So apologize for any wrong things I might have said just trying to represent my alma mater. 

Champion is a good friend of mine to and I was just joking as well, this is all for fun and games not trying to permanently piss anybody off.  What I should of said about Villegas is he is from what I have seen out of him in person he is better than anybody in D3 I have seen or played against at this point so that is the way I should have said those things. 

And again I apologize for the monkey comment should not have said that.


I agree that the Krogs and people like that in this conference did make a name for this conference but come on that was a while back im sure anybody in this message board could have done the same if we all got to play 9 seasons in the same conference. 

My prediction was right the CRU 2 of 3 from McMurry



I agree that Villegas is good player, and when his time is up he will have put up some big numbers.  That being said, I don't know that it is fair to say he is the best to play in D3.  Does nobody here remeber a player by the name of Aaron Crais?  That guy dominated pitching in the ASC for four years.  I also think that your eyesight is a little narrow.  There are some pretty good players on the west coast. 

I am not saying this to be rude, I know that you said he is the best player you have seen, but who have you seen?  Josh Lee, a former McMurry pitcher/hitter was also a very good player.  As was Carrizales and Erickson for McMurry, Simpson for Hardin-Simmons, Kaase for TLU, Amyx at Tyler, White and Berkman at Concordia, and almost every hitter in the UTD lineup the last 2 season (Rosen, Elizondo, Bird, Elliot to name a few).  There have been many good players to come through the ASC so I have a hard time saying the Villegas is the best in D3 (AND I HAVE SEEN HIM PLAY).  But you are right, he is VERY GOOD.  It is definitely a fair statement to say he is one of the best hitters in the ASC right now.  There is no arguement for that.   It will be fun to see his final numbers at the end of his career to see how they compare to some of the hitters in the past that have good numbers.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: strosfan1 on March 22, 2008, 03:25:17 pm
I happen to know the radio announcer for TLU.  Number 1, he is a 22 year old college student who is learning the business.  I told him about all this and this just tells you the man that he is, "they are entitled to their opinion.  I thank them for listening and if I want to be in this business I am going to have to learn how to take criticism from listeners."  He went on to say, "Ken the Hawk Harrelson for the Chicago White Sox said, if you have half the people that hate you and half the people that love you.  You're doing your job."  Now for you guys, maybe he is a little partial to TLU, last time I checked he does not broadcast to you.  Get a life, find a hobby, and stop livig your life by D3 baseball.  It takes a man to get behind the mic and he is not Vin Scully, Milo Hamilton, or Joe Buck.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 05:03:35 pm
... I am going to have to learn how to take criticism from listeners."  He went on to say, "Ken the Hawk Harrelson for the Chicago White Sox said, if you have half the people that hate you and half the people that love you.  You're doing your job."  ...
Somewhere in his career, his station owner will tell him that one listener likes him and the other listener doesn't.

Then the station owner will tell him that the problem is that the advertisers would like another 5,000 listeners for that game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 22, 2008, 05:48:48 pm
I happen to know the radio announcer for TLU.  Number 1, he is a 22 year old college student who is learning the business.  I told him about all this and this just tells you the man that he is, "they are entitled to their opinion.  I thank them for listening and if I want to be in this business I am going to have to learn how to take criticism from listeners."  He went on to say, "Ken the Hawk Harrelson for the Chicago White Sox said, if you have half the people that hate you and half the people that love you.  You're doing your job."  Now for you guys, maybe he is a little partial to TLU, last time I checked he does not broadcast to you.  Get a life, find a hobby, and stop livig your life by D3 baseball.  It takes a man to get behind the mic and he is not Vin Scully, Milo Hamilton, or Joe Buck.

Couple of things here.

1.) I whole-heartily agree with your number one. The fact that it's a student learning the business entitles him to some slack. I think it is cool that they allow the students to get involved and have the opportunity to get valuable on air experience.

2.) How many on-air personalities get mentioned on forums? Probably not a whole lot, he should consider himself lucky. I've seen the Marietta guys mentioned before - and rightfully so, those guys are good. I've enjoyed the Trinity guys in the past well.

3.) What he should do, provided he even ever reads this board, is to read between the lines of the criticism and try to become better on the air. Just because it might've been an abrasive approach (and I don't know that it was) doesn't mean that the critic isn't right about some things when you read in between the lines. He should take what he can from the criticism and ignore the rest.

4.) I don't think anyone expects any D3 radio personality, SIDs, even local radio crews to be anything close to the guys you mentioned, but aspiring to be those guys probably does mean being more impartial on the air. That's just the nature of the job - at least at the next level.

5.) Why attack him just because he attacked the the on-air personality. I understand sticking up for your friends, but there's no need to tell someone to get a life, hobby, etc.  If you follow these boards at all you will see that one of my hobbies is following division 3 baseball, and why not? It's a great sport with great young men competing, most often without the allure of the big bucks and no athletic scholarships, but because they love the game.

And truth be told, he is broadcasting to him. He is broadcasting to anyone who tunes in, and that's something to take heed of. If TLU is still the playoff hunt down the stretch you can bet they'll be plenty of people from other teams tuning in to see how the Bulldogs will effect their own playoff aspirations. He's NEVER just broadcasting to TLU fans, and if that's his mindset it's flawed.

6.) I'll tell you what - I'll just send you a pm.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 22, 2008, 08:48:58 pm
Ok your right I did take it a little far with the monkey comment and I apologize, I guess I was just kind of tired of some people and remember I do say some people not giving credit where credit is due.  Ohh yes and I was there at the times when CTX did woop us every single year and it looks like those days are behind us.  So apologize for any wrong things I might have said just trying to represent my alma mater. 

Champion is a good friend of mine to and I was just joking as well, this is all for fun and games not trying to permanently piss anybody off.  What I should of said about Villegas is he is from what I have seen out of him in person he is better than anybody in D3 I have seen or played against at this point so that is the way I should have said those things. 

And again I apologize for the monkey comment should not have said that.


I agree that the Krogs and people like that in this conference did make a name for this conference but come on that was a while back im sure anybody in this message board could have done the same if we all got to play 9 seasons in the same conference. 

My prediction was right the CRU 2 of 3 from McMurry



I agree that Villegas is good player, and when his time is up he will have put up some big numbers.  That being said, I don't know that it is fair to say he is the best to play in D3.  Does nobody here remeber a player by the name of Aaron Crais?  That guy dominated pitching in the ASC for four years.  I also think that your eyesight is a little narrow.  There are some pretty good players on the west coast. 

I am not saying this to be rude, I know that you said he is the best player you have seen, but who have you seen?  Josh Lee, a former McMurry pitcher/hitter was also a very good player.  As was Carrizales and Erickson for McMurry, Simpson for Hardin-Simmons, Kaase for TLU, Amyx at Tyler, White and Berkman at Concordia, and almost every hitter in the UTD lineup the last 2 season (Rosen, Elizondo, Bird, Elliot to name a few).  There have been many good players to come through the ASC so I have a hard time saying the Villegas is the best in D3 (AND I HAVE SEEN HIM PLAY).  But you are right, he is VERY GOOD.  It is definitely a fair statement to say he is one of the best hitters in the ASC right now.  There is no arguement for that.   It will be fun to see his final numbers at the end of his career to see how they compare to some of the hitters in the past that have good numbers.



Ohh no I guess im being not clear enough and should probably clarify what im trying to say, at this point from what little I have seen in Villegas I beileve has the potential to be up there with those guys or even better.  I played against all of those guys and they were all great players, I think they were all good I would have to disagree with Simpson I think he was way overrated. I do however agree with all the rest of the guys you mentioned. 

Josh Lee is probably my pick for the best I have seen in our conference.  Ohh yeah and for Hambone I also hit a Bomb off the great Josh Lee.  Just thought I would throw that in there and I know for a fact Hambone hit way more Bombs than I did. 

Dont get me wrong just stating that I think he has the Potential to be the best the conference has seen.  I as well cant wait to see what his career numbers end up being.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 23, 2008, 08:55:37 pm
My picks for next weekend:

Ozarks sweeps LeTourneau
Mary Hardin-Baylor sweeps Texas Lutheran
Texas-Tyler sweeps Texas-Dallas
Louisiana College takes 2 from East Texas Baptist
Hardin-Simmons takes 2 from Concordia-Texas
Howard Payne takes 2 from Sul Ross State
McMurry sweeps Schreiner
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 24, 2008, 01:31:10 am
My picks for next weekend:
Hardin-Simmons takes 2 from Concordia-Texas

CUAfan,

I'd be interested in hearing a little commentary regarding your rationale on this one. Not because I disagree, but primarily because I thought it was an interesting pic. (You might know something I don't).

Think HSU is bouncing back strong looking for revenge after dropping two to Schreiner? Seems to me some of the HSU hitters that started off really hot are settling down around where we can expect. The most runs they've scored is 6 in conference, and CUA usually swings it well. If they have to out hit them, they might be in trouble.

JSG

 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 24, 2008, 11:12:34 am
Sure, no problem JSG.

After last weekend, CTX and HSU had second-order winning percentages of .660 and .541, respectively. Using a formula I found here (http://www.diamond-mind.com/articles/playoff2002.htm), I figured up that on a neutral site, CTX would have a 62% chance of winning any single game against HSU...but it's not at a neutral site. Because these particular games are being played in Abilene, I used a method (also described in the link above) to give HSU a boost for playing at home (.129 to be specific), which wound up giving HSU a 51.1% chance of winning any single game at home against CTX. With the odds ever so slightly in HSU's favor by the numbers, but since it's so close to being even, my gut says HSU finds a way to take 2 games but that CTX "beats the odds" and wins one. It wouldn't shock me in the least if CTX won 2 or swept though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 24, 2008, 12:19:49 pm
Well I got a formula for you, Concordia takes 2 of 3. and that took me about 5 seconds to figure out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 24, 2008, 02:09:24 pm
Sader,

Fair enough I can't argue with you there.  He definitely might be one of the best when he is done.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 24, 2008, 04:40:59 pm
With the odds ever so slightly in HSU's favor by the numbers, but since it's so close to being even, my gut says HSU finds a way to take 2 games but that CTX "beats the odds" and wins one. It wouldn't shock me in the least if CTX won 2 or swept though.

i think you are confusing yourself with all these stupid formulas you use. knowone cares about all these formulas you find or even come up with. and if you are eventing formulas, thats awesome! You should be teaching at MIT or something like that, talking formulas to people who enjoy talking about formulas. the only result from formulas we care about are W-L!!...."you wouldn't be surprised if CTX swept" but your predicting them to lose 2? this makes no sense. you like to leave yourself a way out in every prediction you make, unless HSU sweeps because thats the only combination you left out!! i respect your predictions and all the research you do. but come on, more baseball and less quantitative methods please.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 24, 2008, 04:58:01 pm
Ok your right I did take it a little far with the monkey comment and I apologize, I guess I was just kind of tired of some people and remember I do say some people not giving credit where credit is due.  Ohh yes and I was there at the times when CTX did woop us every single year and it looks like those days are behind us.  So apologize for any wrong things I might have said just trying to represent my alma mater. 

Champion is a good friend of mine to and I was just joking as well, this is all for fun and games not trying to permanently piss anybody off.  What I should of said about Villegas is he is from what I have seen out of him in person he is better than anybody in D3 I have seen or played against at this point so that is the way I should have said those things. 

And again I apologize for the monkey comment should not have said that.

I agree that the Krogs and people like that in this conference did make a name for this conference but come on that was a while back im sure anybody in this message board could have done the same if we all got to play 9 seasons in the same conference. 

My prediction was right the CRU 2 of 3 from McMurry

Sader22, couple of things...

First of all referring to current or past CTX players as "a bunch of monkeys" is a little below the belt....but if you are ok going to sleep at night knowing that the same bunch of monkeys beat you into submission several times, then dream about monkeys beating you.  

Secondly Justin Champion played in my Highschool district and my College Conference.  I respect him as a player and a person, both on and off the field, I believe Ill leave it at that...

Third of all, Joseph V. has put up some great #'s for the Crusaders thus far, especially as an under-classmen.  Please know that you made the comment that he is better than anyone you have seen or played against in D3...well maybe if you guys had won a few more games and played in the post-season a little bit then you would have seen a little more of the talent out there, but you didnt and all the monkeys did.  If Joseph V. hits .350+ with 10+ doubles, 8+ Hr's, with 40+ RBI's for the next 2 seasons he will no doubt be amongst some of the best that have played in the ASC as far....but as being the best in D3, he will need to do something miraculous like turn water into wine...Until then just know that Jason Armstrong, John Krog, Josh Lee, and several Monkeys are already on that list that performed well for 4 years.


Make it a great day.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 24, 2008, 05:00:30 pm
hambone,

we are way past everything you just talked about. pay attention.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 24, 2008, 05:05:44 pm
Well I got a formula for you, Concordia takes 2 of 3. and that took me about 5 seconds to figure out.



can you please explain to the crowd how exactly you came up with this prediction Blackcat00?  what formula did you use?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 24, 2008, 05:06:49 pm
hambone,

we are way past everything you just talked about. pay attention.

Well i am too busy living in the past Bman3...eat me
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 24, 2008, 05:14:22 pm
With the odds ever so slightly in HSU's favor by the numbers, but since it's so close to being even, my gut says HSU finds a way to take 2 games but that CTX "beats the odds" and wins one. It wouldn't shock me in the least if CTX won 2 or swept though.

i think you are confusing yourself with all these stupid formulas you use. knowone cares about all these formulas you find or even come up with. and if you are eventing formulas, thats awesome! You should be teaching at MIT or something like that, talking formulas to people who enjoy talking about formulas. the only result from formulas we care about are W-L!!...."you wouldn't be surprised if CTX swept" but your predicting them to lose 2? this makes no sense. you like to leave yourself a way out in every prediction you make, unless HSU sweeps because thats the only combination you left out!! i respect your predictions and all the research you do. but come on, more baseball and less quantitative methods please.

I personally like tendency charts for both hitters and pitchers, but all these formulas do is break down the stats even further but dont really have any real meaning to the majority of readers.  as with the rest of the readers, we I do appreciate all the hard work that alot of you do to come up with different statistics and rankings, and we all have our roles on this board.  some to waste time doing math, some waste time talking trash, some to waste time giveing credit where credit is due, and some to waste time getting their feelings hurt....either way we are all wasting time, and I enjoy reading it while wasting my own time. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 24, 2008, 06:04:05 pm
I used the quantitative literacy methods that Professor "who cares" at CU taught us our senior year.

I really think Concordia is hot after getting dismantled in brownwood. This is the time of year Gardner turns it on and I think he really lit a fire under this team. They are going to score runs no doubt, and with Morrison mowing them down last week with an almost record setting night I see him having a great outing.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 25, 2008, 02:07:18 am
Ok I already apologized for my previous comments that i had written if you would take the time and actually read the post that you are replying to then maybe you would know what is going on.  So if you want to know what I said last then go back and read my last post. 

So go back and read and then you can make a worth while statement.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 01:42:58 pm
Ok I already apologized for my previous comments that i had written if you would take the time and actually read the post that you are replying to then maybe you would know what is going on.  So if you want to know what I said last then go back and read my last post. 

So go back and read and then you can make a worth while statement.


ok i will.  go ahead and cry some more while i take the time to actually read what you have to say.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 02:39:42 pm
Games Today:

SAGU @ UMHB in Belton, TX (2 p.m.)

Texas-Tyler @ Austin College in Sherman, TX (6 p.m.)

McMurry @ Trinity in San Antonio, TX (2 p.m.)

HSU @  Lubbock Christian in Lubbock, TX (6 p.m.)

Wiley College @ ETBU in Longview, TX (2 p.m.)

MC @ Rhodes in Memphis, TN (3 p.m.)



UO @ Hendrix in Conway, AR (6 p.m.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 03:01:34 pm
The CRU moved up a few spots in the polls today.  here is the link. 

http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/news/8043 (http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/news/8043)

Kudos to them for their continuing success during this 2008 season.  I am interested to see how bad they whoop that Stacked SAGU squad today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 25, 2008, 03:13:13 pm
Trinity McM feed live at http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=trinity&o=cal_stamp
 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 25, 2008, 06:37:40 pm
Hello everyone, I am a longtime reader, but a first time poster as you can see.

Just a few comments...Why in the world is everyone on here chatting up Concordia when they get back on track vs Sul Ross, but nothing is said after 2 losses to HPU?

Next....Why in the world are we not ever talking about the East? UT Tyler and Ozarks played the best series of the year last weekend, and all anyone wants to talk about is Concordia. The east may just be the better division, and they get no love? Where is it?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 06:56:29 pm
Hello everyone, I am a longtime reader, but a first time poster as you can see.

Just a few comments...Why in the world is everyone on here chatting up Concordia when they get back on track vs Sul Ross, but nothing is said after 2 losses to HPU?

Next....Why in the world are we not ever talking about the East? UT Tyler and Ozarks played the best series of the year last weekend, and all anyone wants to talk about is Concordia. The east may just be the better division, and they get no love? Where is it?

Start loving on the east side then big guy....obviously concordia has some fans that post some biased threads on here, so if you would like to start a different conversation then stop reading and start participating.

Im pretty sure it was brought up that the CTX vs HPU was a circus of a series and i dont remember reading anyone saying anything Concordia getting back on track vs Sul Ross....I think they got back on track when they shutout and pumbled Southwestern the monday after 11-0.  If anyone got jocked for beating a SRSU team it was UMHB as they got hitter and pitcher of the week the weekend they swept the Lobos.

whos your team Fungoman?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 25, 2008, 07:47:30 pm
Talk up the East when they finally do something, as far as HPU give credit when credit is due. HPU is a football school, or they use to be.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PeytonLow on March 25, 2008, 08:01:28 pm
UT Tyler-Austin College live stats:

http://uttyler.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbasebl.html?event=656172&school=txty&sport=mbasebl&camefrom=&startschool=& (http://uttyler.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbasebl.html?event=656172&school=txty&sport=mbasebl&camefrom=&startschool=&)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 25, 2008, 10:48:41 pm
How do you figure 38-1 last year, and being a top 5 team in the nation this year is doing nothing?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 25, 2008, 11:11:23 pm
Hello everyone, I am a longtime reader, but a first time poster as you can see.

Just a few comments...Why in the world is everyone on here chatting up Concordia when they get back on track vs Sul Ross, but nothing is said after 2 losses to HPU?

Next....Why in the world are we not ever talking about the East? UT Tyler and Ozarks played the best series of the year last weekend, and all anyone wants to talk about is Concordia. The east may just be the better division, and they get no love? Where is it?

1.) For one, 4 of the 7-8 or so primary posters of late are Concordia alumni/fans (bman, CUAfan, Blackcat & Hambone). I suspect that's why there's been a lot of chatter about CUA, but they have some things worth chatting about. Tom Williams' season thus far? Justin Beasley's emergence and conference statistics so far? Maybe the fact that they're probably a playoff team this year after their absence last year?

2.) The West is still the stronger conference. It just is. The east started closing the gap a bit last year, after it had been years of Mississippi College and UT Dallas being the primary playoff contenders (with ETBU's strong season thrown in the mix, and now Tyler's emergence). Even now, I think only Tyler and Ozarks pose any threat to the teams in the West. Lousiana College and Mississippi College, in my honest opinion, would not make the playoffs in the West. That 5-1 LA College team that swept UT Dallas (they're really down this year), lost 2 out of 3 at home to a Texas Lutheran team that has been struggling all year.

You cannot argue with the success or the talent of that Tyler team last year. The one difference? *Hint* It's not Brett Amyx. The main difference is that they do not have near the depth in the bullpen that they had last year (and I made a post about that fairly recently). Those weekend guys have been phenomenal, but in a tournament structure they have to be a little worried about depth. Their lack of depth is evidenced by all the mid-week losses they've already suffered this year, including the one to Austin College tonight.

3.) If you're Clay Bakers' Dad, he's having a great season and should be commended for that.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 11:26:31 pm
How do you figure 38-1 last year, and being a top 5 team in the nation this year is doing nothing?


Hey Fungoguy ... the west dominates the east every year.  Not to mention the East side has more state schools vs all the private schools in the West....keep in mind D3 has no athletic scholarships making it that much tougher for expensive private schools to recruit quality players. I guess Texas-Tyler is your team?  Here are the facts.

YEAR   ASC CHAMPION    REGIONAL PARTICIPANT           COLLEGE WORLD SERIES    
1997       HPU                                  N/A
1998     McMurry                          McMurry
1999      SRSU                               SRSU
2000        SU                                   N/A
2001    McMurry                    McMurry Univeristy
2002       CTX                        Concordia University              Concordia University
2003       MC                         Mississippi College
2004    McMurry                          McMurry
2005      TLU                                  TLU
2006      TLU                                  TLU  
2007      TLU                         TLU and UTD


I only see 2 East side schools listed on this list. MC and UTD.  University of Dallas would have dominated the east side and no doubt the ASC tournament but they went independent.  Now not to take anything away from UTT, UTD, UO, LC who are all having great years with some great ballplayers, but only 1 team can win the conference and with the exception of UTT there wont be any at large bids given to any other schools that dont win the conference.  

Oh yeah SADER22.....I do not believe I see UMHB anywhere near that list.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2008, 11:52:51 pm
UMHB has made some substantial investments in their athletic programs, all across the board.

I will wager that UMHB wins a mythical Presidential trophy in 2008-09.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 26, 2008, 12:26:17 am
but only 1 team can win the conference and with the exception of UTT there wont be any at large bids given to any other schools that dont win the conference.  

I would be a little hesistant to rule the Ozarks completely out from an at large bid after the year they have been having, though their loss to Hendrix tonight and the fact that they have played a lot of South Region teams (Millsaps, Rhodes) in non-conference play as opposed to West Region teams might make that statement relatively true.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 03:26:52 am
Games Today:

SAGU @ UMHB in Belton, TX (2 p.m.)

Texas-Tyler @ Austin College in Sherman, TX (6 p.m.)

McMurry @ Trinity in San Antonio, TX (2 p.m.)

HSU @  Lubbock Christian in Lubbock, TX (6 p.m.)

Wiley College @ ETBU in Longview, TX (2 p.m.)

MC @ Rhodes in Memphis, TN (3 p.m.)



UO @ Hendrix in Conway, AR (6 p.m.)

#18 UMHB beat SAGU 20-10; I think their softball team could run-rule that bowl of Spaghetti.  Not a very strong weekday opponent this late in the season in my eyes.  I think an intrasquad hitters scrimmage would have benefitted  them more.  TLU normally starts the season off 10-0 with decieving wins against these NCCAA teams and multiple games against HT.  But everyone likes to pad their stats, so i guess this was actually a strategicly scheduled game.  Genius!  We will see how they defend themselves this weekend against those hungry TLU bulldogs searching for some identity in the race for the west.  If TLU can pull off 2 or 3 wins, we may have ourselves a downright dog-fight on our hands. 

Austin College beat #5 UTT 8-7; Joey Ziegler got the loss.  Tough loss for the patriots.  They've added a few digits to their loss column lately.  I guess they are beatable after all.  Good I can sleep now.

Trinity beat McMurry 9-8 scoring 7 runs in the 7th and 8th innings to take the win.  Looks like this could be a foreshadow of the McMurry's lack of pitching depth if they have to come through the losers bracket of the Regional.  Looks like it was a pretty good weekday matchup.  The indians are playing some solid baseball right now and Derrick David is still swinging it well hitting his 11th HR of the season.  This weekend the Indians face off with a SU team that is lingering around the West Conf. Standings...I pray every night before I go to bed that SU found a Sands Resort in Abilene to lounge at all week after sweeping the DH from HSU...But they probably didnt and will have to make that long drive back up there to get pumbled this weekend...will D.David apprach Josh Lee's single season conf record of 17 Homeruns?

Lubbock Christian rolled HSU 12-1.  LCU is 29-1.  The Cowgirls have lost 3 in a row.  They appear to be up and down this year.  I guess that is a direct reflection of the caliber of pitching and pitching depth in the west.  Will they eat their wheaties before CTX rolls into Town?  This is an important weekend for both clubs.  No weekday game for the Tornados this week, they will be fresh; should be a fun series to watch.

ETBU beat Wiley College 6-5 with a 9th inning Homerun.  Great win for ETBU.  even though they are out of the race for the east noone gives up their pride out of respect for the game.  With LC and MC still on their plate im hoping they can muster up some gonads and give these ASC tournament bound teams some losses.

Rhodes beat MC scoring 3 runs in the bottom of the 9th.  This also could be a potential matchup in the regional.

Overall looked like there were some pretty good weekday matchups today.  Late inning wins prove 1 of 2 things or a combination of both....either lackof pitching depth in bullpens after the traditional 3 game series or the good teams are peaking out at the proper time heading into the home stretch of the season...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 10:16:06 am
When it comes to the HR race, don't forget that Tom Williams has 11 (or was it 12?) as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 10:27:20 am
Time for new sets of team and player rankings in the various stats I've posted before, through last weekend's games. I've actually got some new ones as well. I found the formula to do BaseRuns for pitchers, which I then translated to BaseRuns/9IP, or BaseRun Average (BsRA). Also, I figured up VORP (http://www.stathead.com/bbeng/woolner/vorpdescnew.htm) for both hitters and pitchers, operating under the assumption that the theoretical "replacement level" will be roughly as far below average as in MLB.

Team Speed
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 9.02
Texas-Tyler - 8.53
Mississippi College - 8.33
Ozarks - 8.05
Howard Payne - 7.98

Team Defense
Texas-Tyler - .689
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .686
Ozarks - .683
Texas-Dallas - .679
Hardin-Simmons - .675

Team DICE
Texas-Tyler - 3.07
Louisiana College - 3.34
Ozarks - 3.45
Schreiner - 4.18 (yeah, I was surprised too)
Texas-Dallas - 4.23

Team BsRA
Texas-Tyler - 3.54
Ozarks - 3.82
Texas-Dallas - 4.91
Louisiana College - 5.13
Mississippi College - 5.34

Team BsR/PA
Texas-Tyler - .223
Concordia-Texas - .211
McMurry - .211
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .209
Ozarks - .207
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 10:31:18 am
While it might hurt in the regional structure...the bullpen depth of Tyler will not hurt them in the ASC, or the ASC tournament. That is unless they drop a game early in the 2nd round and have to come out of the loser's bracket. This starting rotation is easily the best in the conference, but I have to agree that the bullpen depth might come back to hurt them at some point.

Ralph Turner...did you make the UMHB Mcm series? I would like to see your take on UMHB this year if possible. I might have to see if I can catch a game this weekend in the TLU series.

HAMBONE...I am a UT Tyler Alum.

Top to bottom I agree the west is stronger. But we still shouldn't take away from arguably the two best teams in this conference in the East.

Another comment to you CUA fans...Good luck the next three weekends.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 10:42:53 am
Okay, now for the player top 5's. BTW, there are separate VORP lists for SP and RP, a trend I may follow with the other pitching stats in coming weeks.

DICE
B. Holland, UTT - 1.59, 47.2 IP
B. Ziegler, UTT - 1.88, 22.1
C. Dixon, UO - 2.32, 42.2
T. Brooks, LC - 2.74, 38.0
C. Curry, MCM - 2.74, 38.0

BsRA
B. Morgan, LC - 0.88, 15.0 IP
C. Dixon, UO - 1.43, 42.2
B. Holland, UTT - 2.41, 47.2
B. Ziegler, UTT - 2.44, 22.1
B. Booher, UTT - 2.45, 44.2

Starter VORP
M. Cox, UTD - 38.89
B. Booher, UTT - 38.36
C. Dixon, UO - 36.15
B. Holland, UTT - 31.68
K. Jones, SU - 29.52

Reliever VORP
K. Barton, HSU - 25.03
J. Valentine, UTD - 20.03
B. Morgan, LC - 16.01
B. Ziegler, UTT - 14.83
J. Alcorn, HSU - 14.48

Speed
K. Harvey, TLU - 13.92
J. Villegas, UMHB - 13.87
L. Jones, MCM - 13.28
A. White, UMHB - 13.13
C. Baker, UTT - 12.68

BsR/PA
T. Williams, CTX - .348, 103 PA
D. David, MCM - .299, 103
C. Briggs, UO - .298, 91
J. Villegas, UMHB - .288, 103
B. Cameron, UO - .288, 78

Hitter VORP
T. Williams, CTX - 29.70
D. David, MCM - 20.39
K. Fox, UTT - 17.71
C. Briggs, UO - 17.48
J. Villegas, UMHB - 17.08
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 12:16:53 pm
it is very clear that UT-T has the best starting rotation in the conference. and it is also clear that few teams have a complete staff of starters and bullpen. when you look as the stats from CUAfan....looks like most of the good pitching is on the east side.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 26, 2008, 12:35:26 pm
Time for new sets of team and player rankings in the various stats I've posted before, through last weekend's games. I've actually got some new ones as well. I found the formula to do BaseRuns for pitchers, which I then translated to BaseRuns/9IP, or BaseRun Average (BsRA). Also, I figured up VORP (http://www.stathead.com/bbeng/woolner/vorpdescnew.htm) for both hitters and pitchers, operating under the assumption that the theoretical "replacement level" will be roughly as far below average as in MLB.

Team Speed
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 9.02
Texas-Tyler - 8.53
Mississippi College - 8.33
Ozarks - 8.05
Howard Payne - 7.98

Team Defense
Texas-Tyler - .689
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .686
Ozarks - .683
Texas-Dallas - .679
Hardin-Simmons - .675

Team DICE
Texas-Tyler - 3.07
Louisiana College - 3.34
Ozarks - 3.45
Schreiner - 4.18 (yeah, I was surprised too)
Texas-Dallas - 4.23

Team BsRA
Texas-Tyler - 3.54
Ozarks - 3.82
Texas-Dallas - 4.91
Louisiana College - 5.13
Mississippi College - 5.34

Team BsR/PA
Texas-Tyler - .223
Concordia-Texas - .211
McMurry - .211
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .209
Ozarks - .207

CUA Fan,

I have followed baseball for quite sometime.  I have to say I don't have a clue what all these stats mean.  How is UMHB the top speed team (whatever that means) when TLU and Tyler are 1 and 2 in the conference in stolen bases.  That does not make sense to me.  Is it because of doubles and triples?  If that is the case do those stats not have more to do with where the ball is hit and how it is played by the defense than how fast a player is?

Also related to team defense, wouldn't simply listing the teams' fielding percentages give us a good idea of who plays quality defense and who does not.  I know that fielding percentage may not always be a completely accurate description of how teams play defense, but it is usually a pretty good teller.

If you get a chance, could you perhaps explain a little for those of us who do not know what these stats mean?

Thanks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 12:50:52 pm
it is an acronym for something, but i am not sure what.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 01:05:25 pm
The speed lists (team and player) use Baseball Prospectus' SPEED stat, the defensive efficiency numbers are the percentage of balls in the field of play that are turned into outs,

i think this is how the SPEED stat works.

CUAfan....is there anything else you could add? he is our webpage stat guy and knows more about these stats than most of us.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 01:08:41 pm
his stats are a little more thorough than the regular stats.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 01:40:18 pm
THE_CRU_05

where did you go? with the CRU making a name for themselves, you would think he would be blowing this board up. he must have been a one hit wonder like the CRU is going to be this year!!! it is your time to shine the_cru_05....better make it last while you can!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 26, 2008, 02:54:22 pm
Tom Williams has 12 I beleive, great midweek analysis Hambone. At least SAGU got rid of those god awful unis. Bman are  you turning on us now and getting brainwashed and looking at the game at a different perspective?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:12:03 pm
browncat00.....some people aren't as fortunate as others to have been able to play this great game at a high level. it is nice to see the game being viewed in different perspectives. i think you need to look at yourself in the mirror and really look at the person you have become, not so nice :-[.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:14:17 pm
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 04:45:31 pm
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


Bman3 quit posting useless posts just to become a STARTER.  you and I both know you are a second-stringer 4 life.  its cool< some people just dont have what it takes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 04:51:33 pm
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 07:33:41 pm
Seeing as though everyone wants to bash UMHB on here...I did a little research on a few of the comments made today.

The one hit wonder comment struck me weird...especially from a Concordia guru. I believe they made the postseason last year with Concordia sitting at home, so calling this year a one hit wonder is kind of odd, maybe a 2 hit wonder?

I will agree that UMHB MIGHT lose an ASC championship game to Ozarks or UT Tyler, but I do not think we could even suggest Concordia being there.

I looked on the schedule page and noticed that the soft SWAGU game was postponed the first game of the season, and this was probably a makeup, but I can't expect someone with your intelligence level to comprehend that, hambone.

Enough about UMHB, and Concordia...UT Tyler is about to end UT Dallas' season this weekend. Lets talk about that!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 07:50:48 pm
i think the UT-Dallas season is already over. what happened to those guys? as for the UMHB comment, i'm trying to get THE_CRU_05 back in here. I figured that comment might catch his attention and i would HARDLY consider that "bashing." you act like they are already in the championship game! we still have a long season ahead of us fungoman!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 07:56:56 pm
I am not acting like anyone is in the championship game. You guys are just bashing teams with no representation here, so I figured I would defend them. Bash Mcmurry or the Ozarks and I will likely do the same.

Ralph, what can you tell me about UMHB?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 26, 2008, 08:35:31 pm
Fungo you are in a swarm of hornets here , UMHB is sitting fine now, but lets not jump to conclusions with them just yet. THey dont have the experience and that might catch up to them, but hey they are on top of things right now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 08:40:45 pm
I have followed baseball for quite sometime.  I have to say I don't have a clue what all these stats mean.  How is UMHB the top speed team (whatever that means) when TLU and Tyler are 1 and 2 in the conference in stolen bases.  That does not make sense to me.  Is it because of doubles and triples?  If that is the case do those stats not have more to do with where the ball is hit and how it is played by the defense than how fast a player is?

Also related to team defense, wouldn't simply listing the teams' fielding percentages give us a good idea of who plays quality defense and who does not.  I know that fielding percentage may not always be a completely accurate description of how teams play defense, but it is usually a pretty good teller.

Sorry about the lack of explanation, baseballfan24. I'll give it my best shot here...I'm not always the clearest.

The speed stat is a compilation of 5 different measures, involving triples, stolen bases, stolen base percentage, runs per times on base, and GIDP's. The way I think of it isn't necessarily the fastest 40 time or anything like that, but the team/player who has had the highest effective speed. As of their 2008 annual, BP finally got a baserunning measure that is done in runs, but it requires data that would take too long to figure.

The defense measure (defensive efficiency) is the percentage of balls in play that are turned into outs, which is the point of defense in the first place. What fielding percentage tells you is how often a team gets to the ball but screws up, which is useful in its own way but does not address how many balls the team fails to get to and fall for hits (which is why I prefer the efficiency number).

BaseRuns (both hitters and pitchers) was originally devised by David Smyth. It converts the various counting statistics for a hitter or pitcher into runs so that a player's contribution can be summed into a single number. I then divide by the number of plate appearances so that it becomes a rate stat instead of a counting one, to allow comparison between players of differing playing time. VORP builds on that, comparing each player's production to that of a theoretical "replacement-level" player.

Hope that got everything. If it didn't, let me know what I missed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 09:12:51 pm
Blackcat,

How do they not have experience? Does that mean that Concordia doesnt even have experience in making the conference Tourney? Or UT Tyler since they havent been there either? Pretty stellar comment there...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 26, 2008, 10:07:51 pm
Its not stellar at all, and i didndt intend on it being stellar. Im just say TLU the McMurry's can sneak in and dominate a conference tourny or conference just from their guys being there every year. Basically its not rocket science. And dont let it get to you , its my opinion guy. Concordia has pretty good experience. I beleive they have been to the tourny alot in the last 7 years, not sure where you are getting confused.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2008, 11:14:08 pm
...McMurry's can sneak in and dominate a conference tourney or conference just from their guys being there every year. Basically its not rocket science....


I hope that Coach Driggers can find consistent bullpen strength between now and then.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 12:13:32 am
Hey you Concordia folks are the ones that penciled in UMHB in the finals and said they would get smoked by one of the east powerhouses. Now they dont have the experience to get there? And Concordia, with possibly just a handful of players that have any conference tourney experience, has enough experience to get it done? Which is it now?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 27, 2008, 06:11:10 am
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?

I know it is still early and we are only half way through the season and yes I know CTX has a great track record and all of these other teams in the East are great squads, but you have to give the CRU and Wells the credit they deserve.  He has done a great job turning the program around in Belton.  Yes you guys did smoke us every year and I played in those days when you, White, or Decker would go 4-5 with 2 bombs against us.  It just seems to me being a Baseball fan you really have to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I might be wrong about this but wouldnt you say at this point that UMHB is the powerhouse in the West.  I mean look at their team numbers it is kind of ridiculous.  I believe that when they make it to the Championship round no Team is going to handle them.  I believe that it is going to be a very good tournament. 

Im just saying everybody in here is not giving them any credit and they really do have a great team down there this year, I think it makes for an interesting tournament and could be one of the best divisions in the West that we have had in a long time. 

I like to see that our conference is getting stronger every year and that all the teams are getting better, I mean Sul Ross is even a little more talented than the have been.

All I ask is give them a little credit I mean we always gave the teams that smoked us every year the credit, CTX, TLU, MCM, HSU have always been the top dogs and now its nice to see other teams up there besides those guys every year. 

Please let me know your thoughts, just trying to get a little insight from other former players in this conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 27, 2008, 09:15:54 am
Ralph, what can you tell me about UMHB?

I'll try to take this one off of Ralph's hands.

Obviously they can swing the sticks with the team .354 batting average, but they have been shut down by good pitching this year.

Todd Koch 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 9 K
Curt Dixon 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 7 K
Cody Curry 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 5 K

Because of this notion and the fact that they played a very weak early season non-conference schedule leads me to believe their stats are a bit inflated and that they would struggle with the Ozarks again, and definitely the UTT pitching staff in any kind of tournament situation.

That said, the top of that order can swing it pretty well and will all run once they're on the sack. Froeschl, Villegas, Volz, White (usually one or the other hitting up there), and then Reinlie has been decent in the clean-up spot. Of course, you also have Pena hitting 9-hole that will murder bad pitching.

They've been pretty solid on the bump, but again, have shown some vulnerability against better hitting teams. If Tumlinson is healthy they have a little more depth, but with only 12.0 IP I don't know that he has been or is at all at this point.

It's clear that they're usually going to try to out slug a team though. White has 13 errors at SS and is fielding .849 and Whitehead has 9 at 3rd for a .918 clip.

Do I think they're the best team in the West?
It's hard to argue with what they've done thus far especially the fact that they took 2 of 3 from McMurry, but I'm still a little hesitant to annoit them the best team in the west. I'd say because of the way this year has gone in the west virtually anything could happen. If I was coaching and had to pick I'd probably rather play UMHB then McMurry right now but ask me again in two weeks.

Either way, I envision either the Ozarks or Tyler to come out as the ASC champions, but with the lack of true pitching depth in the entire conference, there's really no telling.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 10:29:49 am
Thank you JSG...it is good to see some real analysis instead instead of all the past smack talking we have gotten from the Concordia group. But I guess we have to listen to it, because they did go to the world series in 2002, and they have all the experience in the world.

I believe the Koch and Dixon have shut everyone down, including UT Tyler who was hitting .377 going into that weekend and have dropped down into the .350's. We did get to Koch a little bit, so I believe he is more vulnerable. Dixon can flat out pitch, but how many games can he pitch if it gets to the 2nd round of the conference tourney?

Even with the lack of bullpen depth we supposedly have, I still think we have the best top 5 pitchers in the conference, and come tourney time with the season on the line, that may be all we need.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 12:15:24 pm
Is Ernest Pena still playing for UMHB. Ive watched that kid grow up playing ball and his father works with my mom back in Houston.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 12:17:17 pm
Yeah fungo dad its a great time up there in Appleton. You should try and make it up there sometime. And for experience, I would say Mike Gardner has a hell of a resume my friend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 27, 2008, 01:07:45 pm
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?

I know it is still early and we are only half way through the season and yes I know CTX has a great track record and all of these other teams in the East are great squads, but you have to give the CRU and Wells the credit they deserve.  He has done a great job turning the program around in Belton.  Yes you guys did smoke us every year and I played in those days when you, White, or Decker would go 4-5 with 2 bombs against us.  It just seems to me being a Baseball fan you really have to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I might be wrong about this but wouldnt you say at this point that UMHB is the powerhouse in the West.  I mean look at their team numbers it is kind of ridiculous.  I believe that when they make it to the Championship round no Team is going to handle them.  I believe that it is going to be a very good tournament. 

Im just saying everybody in here is not giving them any credit and they really do have a great team down there this year, I think it makes for an interesting tournament and could be one of the best divisions in the West that we have had in a long time. 

I like to see that our conference is getting stronger every year and that all the teams are getting better, I mean Sul Ross is even a little more talented than the have been.

All I ask is give them a little credit I mean we always gave the teams that smoked us every year the credit, CTX, TLU, MCM, HSU have always been the top dogs and now its nice to see other teams up there besides those guys every year. 

Please let me know your thoughts, just trying to get a little insight from other former players in this conference.

We do give them credit.  They are having a great year which makes it fun to talk a little smack to see if they will shut me (us) up.  You dont see anyone on here lubing up Sul Ross State do you? That wouldnt be any fun. Trust me when I say, you are not alone knowing or excited that your alma matter is having a successful year.  Success in sports is what makes it fun, and i believe without a doubt those kids are having the time of their lives right now, and I am glad they are tasting a piece of the sweet goodness.  winning is contageous and losing is a disease, both spread equally as quick, and only the mature ballclubs know how to respect and keep the momentum when they get it. Do you really need the reassurance from us to know UMHB is having a great year?  They are clearly on the National Rankings and have one of the best records in the conference, that alone speaks for itself.  Now can they continue their success with the competition heating up?  That is where they lack the experience and it will be fun to watch.  They took 2 of 3 from a hot McMurry club....may be a different story if the Indians host the conference tourney.  I dont see any Indians on here talking smack after getting beat either.  Where you at Indian4life?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2008, 01:30:44 pm
Thanks JSG!

Got busy with my "day" job.  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 27, 2008, 01:36:22 pm
Thanks JSG!

Got busy with my "day" job.  :)

JSG knows everything.   its almost unbelievable!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 27, 2008, 01:45:32 pm
Even with the lack of bullpen depth we supposedly have, I still think we have the best top 5 pitchers in the conference, and come tourney time with the season on the line, that may be all we need.

If by top 5 pitchers in the conference, you mean the best top 5, then I might be inclined to agree, but if you mean literally UT Tyler has pitchers 1 thru 5 then I disagree. It would be tough not to mention Jonathon Russell, Mark Cox, or Curt Dixon.

It only takes 3 games to win the conference tournament if you win all 3, but CUA and Ozarks proved you can get to Tyler in those games. Who starts game four if necessary for UT Tyler. Munchrath? If so, what if he's facing a team like McMurry that hit him well the first time? Do you go ahead and gamble with Ziegler? Can he last more than 5-6 IP?

And don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying any other team really has a viable 4th starter either, though you could make a decent case for Finnell or Scheuring  for Ozarks. If a game were to get really sloppy, I do think Ozarks has more guys they can count on than UT Tyler, primarily because they've taken the opportunity to utilize more guys this year.

McMurry has Vorhees that could throw if he had to and Wood, and Smith who have pitched fairly decent for them when they've had the opportunity to start. What hurts them is that Toombs (who started the year great) and Johnston are struggling as starters, and their LHPs our the bullpen they were counting on to step up this year, haven't.

I have mentioned before with a healthy Tumlinson UMHB has a little more depth, and like Ozarks they've got a lot of different guys they'll throw at you, but Sarles, Vaughn, Dobbins and Tatum aren't as good as Ozarks bullpen guys.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 27, 2008, 02:13:00 pm
I will agree that UMHB MIGHT lose an ASC championship game to Ozarks or UT Tyler, but I do not think we could even suggest Concordia being there.
Hey you Concordia folks are the ones that penciled in UMHB in the finals and said they would get smoked by one of the east powerhouses.
No, fungoman...it was definatley you who put them in the championship game...where they, MIGHT, lose to Ozarks or UT-T. you speak of this, MIGHT, as if they should just stop playing now and give them the trophy! as if Ozarks or UT-T are the only teams who have any kind of slight chance to beat these guys. they are having a GREAT year and i look forward to them going forward, but lets let it play out a little before we start handing hardware out!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 27, 2008, 02:19:37 pm
I looked on the schedule page and noticed that the soft SWAGU game was postponed the first game of the season, and this was probably a makeup, but I can't expect someone with your intelligence level to comprehend that, hambone.

You are right and I am wrong.  It was a rescheduled rainout.  I do believe you dont give yourself enough credit though, by setting your expectations so low about my intelligence.  

Blackcat,

How do they not have experience? Does that mean that Concordia doesnt even have experience in making the conference Tourney? Or UT Tyler since they havent been there either? Pretty stellar comment there...

They do not have very much post-season experience and thats a fact.  It was a statement based on facts not a judgement call.  Last year was their first appearance, that is how they do not have experience.  Quite possibly someone with your intelligence level may not be able to comprehend that.  Do some more of your cutting-edge research and make some educated stellar comments of your own.

Hey you Concordia folks are the ones that penciled in UMHB in the finals and said they would get smoked by one of the east powerhouses. Now they dont have the experience to get there? And Concordia, with possibly just a handful of players that have any conference tourney experience, has enough experience to get it done? Which is it now?

Noone eluded to the fact that UMHB didnt have the experience to get there.  You dont need experience to get there, you need enough wins.  The experience part comes from performance production, which is when big time players make big time plays in big time situations.  Experience also determines the coaching strategies with pitching matchups and strategic substitutions.  Also, noone on here has made the statement that CTX will get it done at the ASC tournament.  Since I lack the intelligence, I had to ask somebody, but what I found out was its a 6 team race in the West....so only time will tell who the 4 teams are that make it.

Thank you JSG...it is good to see some real analysis instead instead of all the past smack talking we have gotten from the Concordia group. But I guess we have to listen to it, because they did go to the world series in 2002, and they have all the experience in the world.

If you do not like the smack talk then do not read it.  if you would like it to stop, then stop responding to it.  JSG has a great unbiased point of view and provides us with spectacular udates and scouting reports.  We may not have all the experience in the world smart guy, but im pretty sure that Bman3 and myself have more than you do in the ASC, and some pretty solid career #'s that not only speak for themselves but also give us the right to open our mouths.



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 27, 2008, 02:33:29 pm
Anyone feel like throwing out some predictions for this weekend?

JSG, Ralph

I'll take the following:

McMurry sweeps Shreiner

UMHB wins 2 of 3 over TLU

Hardin-Simmons gets 2 of 3 from Concordia only because it is in Abilene - not sure if I believe my own prediction on this one

HPU wins 2 of 3 at Sul Ross

Tyler sweeps UTD in Tyler - but watch out for Cox he is pretty good

LC wins 2 of 3 at ETBU

Ozarks sweeps Leteurneau

and Mississippi is playing Spalding - I know nothing about them

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 27, 2008, 03:25:42 pm
Ralph, what can you tell me about UMHB?

I'll try to take this one off of Ralph's hands.

Obviously they can swing the sticks with the team .354 batting average, but they have been shut down by good pitching this year.

Todd Koch 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 9 K
Curt Dixon 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 7 K
Cody Curry 7 IP, 3 H, 9 ER, 5 K

Because of this notion and the fact that they played a very weak early season non-conference schedule leads me to believe their stats are a bit inflated and that they would struggle with the Ozarks again, and definitely the UTT pitching staff in any kind of tournament situation.

That said, the top of that order can swing it pretty well and will all run once they're on the sack. Froeschl, Villegas, Volz, White (usually one or the other hitting up there), and then Reinlie has been decent in the clean-up spot. Of course, you also have Pena hitting 9-hole that will murder bad pitching.

They've been pretty solid on the bump, but again, have shown some vulnerability against better hitting teams. If Tumlinson is healthy they have a little more depth, but with only 12.0 IP I don't know that he has been or is at all at this point.

It's clear that they're usually going to try to out slug a team though. White has 13 errors at SS and is fielding .849 and Whitehead has 9 at 3rd for a .918 clip.

Do I think they're the best team in the West?
It's hard to argue with what they've done thus far especially the fact that they took 2 of 3 from McMurry, but I'm still a little hesitant to annoit them the best team in the west. I'd say because of the way this year has gone in the west virtually anything could happen. If I was coaching and had to pick I'd probably rather play UMHB then McMurry right now but ask me again in two weeks.

Either way, I envision either the Ozarks or Tyler to come out as the ASC champions, but with the lack of true pitching depth in the entire conference, there's really no telling.

JSG



First JSG I wanted to correct you and say that Curry did not give up a single run against UMHB las weekend...just a lil fyi.

THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?

I know it is still early and we are only half way through the season and yes I know CTX has a great track record and all of these other teams in the East are great squads, but you have to give the CRU and Wells the credit they deserve.  He has done a great job turning the program around in Belton.  Yes you guys did smoke us every year and I played in those days when you, White, or Decker would go 4-5 with 2 bombs against us.  It just seems to me being a Baseball fan you really have to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I might be wrong about this but wouldnt you say at this point that UMHB is the powerhouse in the West.  I mean look at their team numbers it is kind of ridiculous.  I believe that when they make it to the Championship round no Team is going to handle them.  I believe that it is going to be a very good tournament. 

Im just saying everybody in here is not giving them any credit and they really do have a great team down there this year, I think it makes for an interesting tournament and could be one of the best divisions in the West that we have had in a long time. 

I like to see that our conference is getting stronger every year and that all the teams are getting better, I mean Sul Ross is even a little more talented than the have been.

All I ask is give them a little credit I mean we always gave the teams that smoked us every year the credit, CTX, TLU, MCM, HSU have always been the top dogs and now its nice to see other teams up there besides those guys every year. 

Please let me know your thoughts, just trying to get a little insight from other former players in this conference.

We do give them credit.  They are having a great year which makes it fun to talk a little smack to see if they will shut me (us) up.  You dont see anyone on here lubing up Sul Ross State do you? That wouldnt be any fun. Trust me when I say, you are not alone knowing or excited that your alma matter is having a successful year.  Success in sports is what makes it fun, and i believe without a doubt those kids are having the time of their lives right now, and I am glad they are tasting a piece of the sweet goodness.  winning is contageous and losing is a disease, both spread equally as quick, and only the mature ballclubs know how to respect and keep the momentum when they get it. Do you really need the reassurance from us to know UMHB is having a great year?  They are clearly on the National Rankings and have one of the best records in the conference, that alone speaks for itself.  Now can they continue their success with the competition heating up?  That is where they lack the experience and it will be fun to watch.  They took 2 of 3 from a hot McMurry club....may be a different story if the Indians host the conference tourney.  I dont see any Indians on here talking smack after getting beat either.  Where you at Indian4life?

Dear Mr. Hambone,

Frankly I do not like what happen to my team last weekend, but I will say we never gave up and I still love our chances.  If you look at the past years there has only been 1 team since the new millenium lose less that 5 games and get 1st place on the west side of the conference TLU (2003,2005,2007) So I like where we are sitting.  UMHB is a good ball club and a very very hot ball club weather or not they can keep it up that is all up to them. And we do not know how they will play in a tournament.  And if you really want to know why I have not been around lately it is because I am tired of all of this childish arguing that goes on.  Yes it can be fun but these boards are about the players and whats going on in the year.  I do like the post from ralph, CUA fan, JSG, give me something with substance instead of a lot of trash talking and ill post more often.  In conclusion last weekend was a rough loss for my INDIANS but I believe we will bounce back fine and be a force that no one will take lightly when it comes tournament time.

i4l
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 27, 2008, 04:13:17 pm
First JSG I wanted to correct you and say that Curry did not give up a single run against UMHB las weekend...just a lil fyi.

Thanks for the heads up Curry. Made that post really quickly at work, and in my efforts to hurry I accidentally hit the 9 instead of the 0.

Obviously, since I was talking about the fact that they had been shut down by good pitching, I wouldn't have intentionally used someone who gave up 9 ER as an example.

Again, I appreciate the heads up. I've fixed it now.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 27, 2008, 04:39:42 pm

Dear Mr. Hambone,
 And if you really want to know why I have not been around lately it is because I am tired of all of this childish arguing that goes on.  Yes it can be fun but these boards are about the players and whats going on in the year.  I do like the post from ralph, CUA fan, JSG, give me something with substance instead of a lot of trash talking and ill post more often.
i4l
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Cm'on Indian 4 life, its all in good clean fun.  If you want something of substance I suggest you read a book; perhaps maybe you have read too many books of substance in Law School and have just set the bar too high for the rest of us....but I guess that's for you to determine what exactly substance is for you.  For me, I will probably never grow up....so I guess you will just have to deal with it for now.  Good to hear from ya and we're all glad you are still around.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 27, 2008, 04:54:09 pm
My picks for this weekend:

McM sweeps SU
HPU 2-3 SRSU
CTX 2-3 HSU
TLU 2-3 UMHB

OU sweeps LeT
UTT 2-3 UTD
LC 2-3 ETBU


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 06:12:17 pm
I Believe this is a weekend of alot of upsets. You hit it on the head hambone. Indian you wuldnt survive one day on Texas orangebloods.com. This isnt anything compared over there, and those guys know their baseball, football, and basketball. I think this board has been alot of fun.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 27, 2008, 06:38:43 pm
I Believe this is a weekend of alot of upsets. You hit it on the head hambone. Indian you wuldnt survive one day on Texas orangebloods.com. This isnt anything compared over there, and those guys know their baseball, football, and basketball. I think this board has been alot of fun.

Thats because i have more class than the tsipping idiots on that web site.

And HAMMY if you want me on your level you can have it all you have to do is ask. I don't mind it but really who gives a rats butt about your 2002 team anymore that was 6 seasons ago that is enough for now im reserving my big guns for later.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 06:59:37 pm
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?

Hambone is the one that brought up the "Cru" in the chapmionship. I am still stunned by the lack of intelligence supposed college graduates have. Do they teach you guys anything at Concordia, or did the 2002 world series trip get you a degree?

Last time I checked the coaches do not actually go up to the plate or pitch on the mound during championship tournaments. Gardner may have the experience, but his players dont. Do we really want to talk about his prestigious resume? Or should we keep that one quiet?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 08:11:26 pm
Class? They do have a few share of bad apples, but they do know their baseball here in austin, and do follow the succes of Texas basball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 08:13:53 pm
Yeah lets talk about his prestigious resume. First for South Houston high school he had the number one team in the country in 5A, how many national championships did he win at San Jancinto college when coaching, then going to the SouthWest Conference as a coach for The University of Houston. Then to top it off he gets ASC's only World Series participant to Wisconsin. You might want to do your homework before you talk out your you know what fungoguy.

OWNED
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 27, 2008, 08:29:36 pm
I agree this is all in good fun and if you really take all the trash talking and stuff to heart then maybe you really should not post anything else on here.  They say Baseball is suppose to be fun and so is this.  I think Indian is just sulking a little bit and cant handle that his team got beat. 

So guys how do you think the Conference shapes up after this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 10:09:55 pm
Yeah lets talk about his prestigious resume. First for South Houston high school he had the number one team in the country in 5A, how many national championships did he win at San Jancinto college when coaching, then going to the SouthWest Conference as a coach for The University of Houston. Then to top it off he gets ASC's only World Series participant to Wisconsin. You might want to do your homework before you talk out your you know what fungoguy.

OWNED

Do you have first hand knowledge of why he left San Jac? Maybe things we hear need to stay to ourselves, right HAMBONE?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 27, 2008, 11:43:38 pm
First off, you guys really ought to back off Coach Gardner.  The guy is a class act, good guy, and a hell of a baseball coach and this is coming from someone that played at McMurry.  And why should those that participated in 2002 DIII World Series not brag about it?  They made it there, a feat not equalled by even my McMurry Indians.  I was fortunate enough to play an insignificant role on the 2004 ASC Championship team, and I still would talk about that experience, even when we got knocked out fast in Bloomington.  Point being, I give tons of credibility to what comes out of the mouths of people that have not only talked about this, but played it and lived it.  It really seems like the "Cru" fans are coming out of the woodwork.  I am glad to see their rise in the ASC, b/c it is great for the conference, but this rise needs to be taken a bit more humbly by the fan base.  Also, might want to ease off Hambone a bit, anyone that knows him understands that he liked to tease and make jokes.  Everyone taking his remarks so seriously really ought to consider he is just giving ya'll a hard time. 

And Hambone, I take offense to those law books remarks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 01:11:24 am
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?

Hambone is the one that brought up the "Cru" in the chapmionship. I am still stunned by the lack of intelligence supposed college graduates have. Do they teach you guys anything at Concordia, or did the 2002 world series trip get you a degree?

Last time I checked the coaches do not actually go up to the plate or pitch on the mound during championship tournaments. Gardner may have the experience, but his players dont. Do we really want to talk about his prestigious resume? Or should we keep that one quiet?

Cm'on fungoman dont get all fiesty on us...you are an adult, act like one.  to answer your question (even though i really do not think it needs to be answered) they do teach us a few things @ Concordia.  Its a private institution that has a minimum hourly requirement to obtain a degree just like the state schools.  I mean we actually have books and professors and students....its great, its almost like really going to college.  you should check out the website...www.concordia.edu...

now what I was trying to say about UMHB is the fact that they lack experience in big time games.  thats it.  im not stating that CTX has a roster full of it (b/c i know you will get all defensive and bring that up).  I actually am aware that coaches do not step in the box, and I am aware that they do not toe the rubber in a game.  But are put in postions in the post season that are different than traditional 3 games series that are out of the norm....for instance all the games are 9 innnings, and with the lack of pitching depth in the conference as a whole, it could allow an underdog in terms of fielding percentage and batting avg. moved passed a team like UMHB....and for any team that loses the first game in a double elimination bracket, its hell coming through without post-season experience from the players and coaches alike b/c inexperience causes panic, and panic causes irrational decisions to be made....but we all know that you play the game one game at a time and one pitch at a time.  Thats the only point I was trying to make.  If its not a good point then please coach me so i can learn something.

There is no need to get all personal on this board...if the shoe fits wear it. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 01:39:57 am
Anyone feel like throwing out some predictions for this weekend?

JSG, Ralph

I'll take the following:

McMurry sweeps Shreiner

UMHB wins 2 of 3 over TLU

Hardin-Simmons gets 2 of 3 from Concordia only because it is in Abilene - not sure if I believe my own prediction on this one

HPU wins 2 of 3 at Sul Ross

Tyler sweeps UTD in Tyler - but watch out for Cox he is pretty good

LC wins 2 of 3 at ETBU

Ozarks sweeps Leteurneau

and Mississippi is playing Spalding - I know nothing about them

Any thoughts?


I agree with all of your pics minus 5.

1.) I think LC sweeps ETBU, unless the wind is blowing stright in, then its up in the air (literally).

2.) I think CTX takes at least 2 from HSU.  Morrison needs to pitch deep into game 1 and leave with a solid lead. it will no-doubt be a dogfight between these 2 clubs, maybe even an extra inning game or 2 during the series. I pray for a sweep.  Look for Tom Williams to break a few windows if they pitch to him, this kid can drop the hammer from both sides of the dish.

3.) I m gonna go out on a limb and say TLU takes 2 of 3 from UMHB.  Although TLU hasnt won as many games as usual this year, they have a few things that I saw that tell me they are not out of the fight just yet.  They have a reputation in this conference for winning and winning consistenly.  I saw their squad play 3 games, and they have some good-looking athletes on that team, possibly even a few that may testify under oath to the congress if they arent careful.  They havent quite hit on all cylinders yet, but this is a weekend I think could turn their season around if they will let it.  They have a new coach and some obvious growing pains, but with the spring weather upon us I think the heat is the ultimate equalizer for that bunch.  They are not out of it yet.

4.)  I think UTT takes 2 of 3 from UTD.  Tyler has lost a few games lately, and I think UTD is tired of losing.  There isnt a roster out there that has kids on it that get used to losing especially after the year they had last year.  Along with TLU, I think UTD has the oppurtunity to come out fighting and end their year on an upward plane....and all it takes is for them to take 1 from the #5 team in the nation to give them the confidence they need to win a few games and end their year on a positive note. 

5.)  I think Schriener takes a game from McMurry.  Noones perfect, not even the Indians.  I think SU knows they still have a chance to get into the conference tourney if they beat who they are supposed to beat, swipe a few from the ones they are not, and let teams that look good on paper knock eachother out.  SU is the perfect example this year of a team, that if you arent careful will sneak up on you if underestimate them and forget to respect them....Please prove me wrong McM...on another note, the Indians have 2 pre-season all-americans that are living up to the hype.  Voorhees and Derrick are stroking, and if they show to play they might hurt somebody.  I love the consistency out of the 2, and I hope they hit some bombs this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 01:52:34 am
and they have some good-looking athletes on that team, possibly even a few that may testify under oath to the congress if they arent careful. 

I found this to be a rather interesting observation. Care to drop any names?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:10:55 am
and they have some good-looking athletes on that team, possibly even a few that may testify under oath to the congress if they arent careful. 

I found this to be a rather interesting observation. Care to drop any names?

JSG

JSG i watched the saturday double header from left-center field and they ran about 4 left-fielders out there...all were good looking, strong athletes.  I am not sure of the names but i think it was #24.  His physical size struck me so i looked him up on the website roster and it didnt look like the same gym-rat i saw in left field....their picture roster was hard to confim as well because they were all wearing over-sized jersey's and off the wall #'s on the front that did not correspond with their roster #.  The lead-off hitter (center fielder) is also a great looking specimen.  They had a DH that looked like Hack Wilson or even better a taller version of Kevin Webster, he just looked like a threat....though Im not sure if he is or not.  The scouting report on their catcher did not match the arm I saw either....dont get me wrong, I am not jocking the TLU club, I am glad to watch some teams beat them, and I hope they get kicked a little while they are down...but I just dont think they are out of it yet.....especially if their radio announcer would decide to be the bat  boy this weekend.  those hitters would be fixed in no-time!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 02:37:02 am
but I just dont think they are out of it yet.....especially if their radio announcer would decide to be the bat  boy this weekend.  those hitters would be fixed in no-time!

Comments like these make me a lot more tolerant of your pointless trash-talk, get a rise out of others posts. Intelligent jabs that only "in-the-know" division III baseball fans would get, like your first post on these forums, bring solid value to this forum. Though I certainly don't mind it, and usually just skip over it, I'm not certain some of the others posts meet that criteria (not that it really matters). That said, you have made quite a few legitimate contributions and I certainly appreciate those, particularly your recent illustration of why the West is still considered the stronger region.


JSG i watched the saturday double header from left-center field and they ran about 4 left-fielders out there...all were good looking, strong athletes.  I am not sure of the names but i think it was #24.  His physical size struck me so i looked him up on the website roster and it didnt look like the same gym-rat i saw in left field....their picture roster was hard to confim as well because they were all wearing over-sized jersey's and off the wall #'s on the front that did not correspond with their roster #.  The lead-off hitter (center fielder) is also a great looking specimen.  They had a DH that looked like Hack Wilson or even better a taller version of Kevin Webster, he just looked like a threat....though Im not sure if he is or not.  The scouting report on their catcher did not match the arm I saw either....dont get me wrong, I am not jocking the TLU club, I am glad to watch some teams beat them, and I hope they get kicked a little while they are down

The scouting report said he had an arm, or no?

I guess all of those guys are relatively big, but I do not know that all of their builds would suggest supplemental use. I would say that McMurry has quite a bit 'bigger' roster in terms of physical size than TLU, the UT Dallas team last year certainly did, and the Mississippi College teams of a 2-3 years ago were really large as well.

I think you are probably barking up the wrong tree with the accusation, particularly because of the way that program was run under the tenure of Bill Miller, and Burnett having served under him for so long. Both have always seemed to present themselves with integrity in my minimal experience watching them.

I wouldn't persume to accuse anyone of substance abuse, but if I were to look anywhere, I could probably be more prone to looking at teams that feature lots of junior college transfers. Those guys are competing for highly-competitive spots, and usually an opportunity to play division I baseball. I think they would be more prone to try steroids than a division III guy who's chances to go pro are VERY minimal and who have rosters relatively thin so that if you can play the game, chances are you'll get that opportunity.

It doesn't hurt that I have had plenty of JUCO players tell me they were "fed steroids like they were Advil."

I think with all that has gone on the last couple of years it is a lot less prevalent.

In any event, thanks for the laugh.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:53:07 am
but I just dont think they are out of it yet.....especially if their radio announcer would decide to be the bat  boy this weekend.  those hitters would be fixed in no-time!

Comments like these make me a lot more tolerant of your pointless trash-talk, get a rise out of others posts. Intelligent jabs that only "in-the-know" division III baseball fans would get, like your first post on these forums, bring solid value to this forum. Though I certainly don't mind it, and usually just skip over it, I'm not certain some of the others posts meet that criteria (not that it really matters). That said, you have made quite a few legitimate contributions and I certainly appreciate those, particularly your recent illustration of why the West is still considered the stronger region.


JSG i watched the saturday double header from left-center field and they ran about 4 left-fielders out there...all were good looking, strong athletes.  I am not sure of the names but i think it was #24.  His physical size struck me so i looked him up on the website roster and it didnt look like the same gym-rat i saw in left field....their picture roster was hard to confim as well because they were all wearing over-sized jersey's and off the wall #'s on the front that did not correspond with their roster #.  The lead-off hitter (center fielder) is also a great looking specimen.  They had a DH that looked like Hack Wilson or even better a taller version of Kevin Webster, he just looked like a threat....though Im not sure if he is or not.  The scouting report on their catcher did not match the arm I saw either....dont get me wrong, I am not jocking the TLU club, I am glad to watch some teams beat them, and I hope they get kicked a little while they are down

The scouting report said he had an arm, or no?

I guess all of those guys are relatively big, but I do not know that all of their builds would suggest supplemental use. I would say that McMurry has quite a bit 'bigger' roster in terms of physical size than TLU, the UT Dallas team last year certainly did, and the Mississippi College teams of a 2-3 years ago were really large as well.

I think you are probably barking up the wrong tree with the accusation, particularly because of the way that program was run under the tenure of Bill Miller, and Burnett having served under him for so long. Both have always seemed to present themselves with integrity in my minimal experience watching them.

I wouldn't persume to accuse anyone of substance abuse, but if I were to look anywhere, I could probably be more prone to looking at teams that feature lots of junior college transfers. Those guys are competing for highly-competitive spots, and usually an opportunity to play division I baseball. I think they would be more prone to try steroids than a division III guy who's chances to go pro are VERY minimal and who have rosters relatively thin so that if you can play the game, chances are you'll get that opportunity.

It doesn't hurt that I have had plenty of JUCO players tell me they were "fed steroids like they were Advil."

I think with all that has gone on the last couple of years it is a lot less prevalent.

In any event, thanks for the laugh.

JSG

I plan on attending game 1 of the UMHB/TLU series.  I will actually get a program and learn a few names so i can identify the guys that appear to be eating a stronger than the reccommended dosage of their vitamins.....i really wasnt directly implying that any of them (TLU guys) were on performance enhancing drugs, but a few of them struck me as big guys, and for them to strike me as big guys and actually take the time to look at their website, then i guess i am indirectly implying that they are by bringing them up.  Im not sure if that made sense, but either way i will confirm my own opinion this weekend either tomorrow night or saturday and update you die hard D3 baseball fans.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 28, 2008, 02:56:44 am
Hambone just responded to your message via email and yeah its me, and no im not going to get a chance to make it down there and watch them play.  Let me know how it goes
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 03:09:12 am
The scouting report said he had an arm, or no?


Scouting report says you can steal on this guy.  20/23 successful steal attempts.  he has thrown out only 3.  to his plea his case, logan hull (his ace pitcher) leads the conference in HBP so im sure he doesnt exactly execute on a pitch out either....which makes me wonder how much help he is getting from the rest of his staff?  But the arm i saw at the CTX series was a "live arm" ... just an observation.  ill check it out this weekend.  if anyone will test it, it will be that UMHB club...Froschel, Villegas, Volz, and White.  I might even take a stop watch so i can point fingers.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 06:39:03 am
Anyone feel like throwing out some predictions for this weekend?

JSG, Ralph

I'll take the following:

McMurry sweeps Schreiner  But we sometimes slip up

UMHB wins 2 of 3 over TLU   If not sweeping the Bulldogs

Hardin-Simmons gets 2 of 3 from Concordia only because it is in Abilene - not sure if I believe my own prediction on this one

HPU wins 2 of 3 at Sul Ross   

Tyler sweeps UTD in Tyler - but watch out for Cox he is pretty good (UT-D's best chance for a win.)

LC wins 2 of 3 at ETBU

Ozarks sweeps Leteurneau

and Mississippi is playing Spalding - I know nothing about them  (Spalding KY -- a provisional member (http://www.spalding.edu/content.aspx?id=1854&cid=500))

Any thoughts?
Travel safely, all.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 28, 2008, 10:02:34 am
Anyone know why I am not allowed to send private messages?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 12:07:21 pm
Anyone know why I am not allowed to send private messages?

maybe try turning your pop-blocker of temporarily?  not sure if it is a status requirement either like if you have to become a second-stringer before you are granted PM priviledges.

....im no guru at this site, i just click on stuff and keep finding more options, but if while reading the main threads....for example page 61, and you wanted to send me one, look at a post that i put up and under Hambone there is 3 icon boxes...the one on the far right is the messenger.

make sure you are logged in.  you may need to go into actual email account that you used to settup your screenname and verify the first PM you send or recieve.  if those 3 or 4 things wont allow it to work then i dont know.

anyone else know?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 01:08:25 pm
can someone please tell me what karma is?  why am i negative?  negative karma tells me that i shouldnt leave the house today....but im just sayin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 28, 2008, 01:52:55 pm
My picks for next weekend:

Ozarks sweeps LeTourneau
Mary Hardin-Baylor sweeps Texas Lutheran
Texas-Tyler sweeps Texas-Dallas
Louisiana College takes 2 from East Texas Baptist
Hardin-Simmons takes 2 from Concordia-Texas
Howard Payne takes 2 from Sul Ross State
McMurry sweeps Schreiner

These are my picks that I posted a few pages back.

And on a side note, good-natured smack talk is one thing, but will you three CTX musketeers (and anyone else who has been responding to them) please quit making personal statements about the other posters. Such behavior should be below anyone who is old enough to be posting on this board. You want to talk about someone else's team? Fine. But quit insulting people's intelligence and the like...it just makes it harder for the rest of us to discuss substance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 01:54:14 pm
can someone please tell me what karma is?  why am i negative?  negative karma tells me that i shouldnt leave the house today....but im just sayin.

1.) I don't know the answer to the about the pm system. It's probably a certain number of posts so that you don't have people just coming on and spamming members inboxes with ridiculous deals like, "Batting lessons for $1,000/hr."

2.) Karma is something that people with relatively large post counts can disperse to other members. It's kind of a harmless way to give people heads up. If someone has a -250 karma chances are they're a pain in the ass (though sometimes they do not what they're talking about when they're not being overly biased, spence). The alternative, if someone has good karma chances are it's safe to assume they've made a lot of valuable contributions to the board and are well-respected by their peers.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:02:23 pm
okay good.  im gonna leave the house now.  i was looking out the windows for a black tom cat and a latter....im drivng to Belton in about 15 min....ill probably get  a speeding ticket on their campus b/c of my -1 karma...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 28, 2008, 02:09:45 pm
Personal stuff does get old, and as far as hambone, im not sure if that muskateer will ever grow up. Hambone keep me posted on todays game via text. Watch your language there in Belton and dont get on the blue to hard.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 28, 2008, 04:30:50 pm
TLU 2   UMHB 2   4th

Overcast , light percipitation.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 05:39:15 pm
Ozarks 9 - LeTourneau 4

Winning Pitcher:
Todd Koch (4-2) - 7 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 8 K

Losing Pitcher:
Tyler Kaminski - 7 IP, 12 H, 7 ER, 3 BB, 5 K

Ozarks:
John Glenn 2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI,
Scott Dietz 2-4, 1 R
Bruce Cameron 3-5, 2 R, 1 RBI, 1 2B
Cory Briggs  2-4, 2 R, 1 RBI, 2 2B

LeTourneau
Ethan Cravalho 2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI,
Ed Hurta 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B
Josh Brown 2-4,  1 R, 1 2B

JSG
-any updates on the TLU/UMHB game?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 28, 2008, 05:57:27 pm
UMHB 4 TLU 3

Hull hits a batter with the bases loaded and the CRU hangs on .
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 07:14:46 pm
UMHB 4 TLU 3

Hull hits a batter with the bases loaded and the CRU hangs on .

UMHB 3 - TLU 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/032808-a.htm)

Looks like it was a pretty solid game. Hull still getting himself in a little trouble with bad timing on those BBs and HBPs, but you'd like to think that if you hold UMHB to 3 runs and those top four hitters to a 2-15 day, that you have a good chance to win that game. I'd take that performance every time out against that team.

The bottom line is that TLU struck out entirely too much, particularly with two outs and chances to get a a run across. They can't seem to put all facets of the game together.

They say good teams find a way to win, evidently that's what happened here. You have to commend Garza on his job on the bump. He did a good job scattering the 10 hits, and struck out 11. He's not a power pitcher; TLU should be putting the ball in play and making things happen against a team that hasn't fielded that great this year.

It should be an interesting DH tomorrow. Did the loss diminish confidence and emotionally drain the Bulldogs or did it convince them they can play with UMHB? The starting pitching on Saturday has been suspect all year, but Wesson pitched well in his first start last weekend against McMurry. Can he duplicate that effort?

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 07:39:12 pm
Anyone know why I am not allowed to send private messages?
Pat had to disable PM privileges to "newbies" because some guy got on the message boards and started spamming.  >:(

You pick up those privileges after several levels of posting.

The ability to applaud or smite on the Karma comes after 201 posts.  JSG is right about the way it works.

I rarely smite someone, but I use "applaud" Karma very liberally for contributions to the site that help us all and/or give specific content.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 07:41:50 pm
UMHB 3 - TLU 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/032808-a.htm)

JSG

ARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!  >:(

You hate to see a team that you are chasing pull one out like that!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 08:03:01 pm
UMHB 4 TLU 3

Hull hits a batter with the bases loaded and the CRU hangs on .

UMHB 3 - TLU 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/032808-a.htm)

Looks like it was a pretty solid game. Hull still getting himself in a little trouble with bad timing on those BBs and HBPs, but you'd like to think that if you hold UMHB to 3 runs and those top four hitters to a 2-15 day, that you have a good chance to win that game. I'd take that performance every time out against that team.

The bottom line is that TLU struck out entirely too much, particularly with two outs and chances to get a a run across. They can't seem to put all facets of the game together.

They say good teams find a way to win, evidently that's what happened here. You have to commend Garza on his job on the bump. He did a good job scattering the 10 hits, and struck out 11. He's not a power pitcher; TLU should be putting the ball in play and making things happen against a team that hasn't fielded that great this year.

It should be an interesting DH tomorrow. Did the loss diminish confidence and emotionally drain the Bulldogs or did it convince them they can play with UMHB? The starting pitching on Saturday has been suspect all year, but Wesson pitched well in his first start last weekend against McMurry. Can he duplicate that effort?

JSG

I watched every single pitch of that game. 1st of all it was fairly cold, i usually know the weather, and it caught me by surprise when i got out of my car.  This cold weather brought precipitation and a steady wind that was blowing in the hitters faces the entire game about 10-15 mph.

TLU
im not convinced these guys cannot win 1 possibly even 2 games tomorrow.  For 1 as JSG noted, hopefully they were mature enough to see that they played right along side the #18 team in the nation and handed them the game.  They need to figure out really quickly how to hit on all cylinders.  For the most part it all came down to poor execution for the Bulldogs.  Not getting bunts down, steal attempts in the wrong situations, and a very lazy tempo.  Logan Hull through 26 consecutive 1st pitch fastballs at 1 point.  i mean i understand he only throws 2 pitches, and for the most part he shut the UMHB lineup down, but he needs to mix it up.  One would think that for a reagular starting pitcher (Hull) who threw 90% fastballs today would be able to control it enough to not hit a batter with the bases loaded....but he did, and it proved to be the winning run for the Crusaders.  The TLU hitters were taking fastballs and swinging and crap out of the strikezone after getting behing in the count.  They had plenty of oppurtunities to capitalize on UMHB's day off, but went ahead and took the day off themselves.  Hull's performance on paper may look good, but i think the wind blowing in the hitters faces is the cause for his success today.  He looked out of control and mindless on the mound.  He could easily take the control of the game if he would work quicker and mix uo his pitches.  in my mind, umhb handed tlu this game and tlu handed it right back to them.

umhb
this was my first hard focus on this ball club.  they didnt look any stronger than a struggling tlu team today.  rb garza did a great job of establishing command early and seemed to have a plan out on the mound.  he never got in serious trouble, and when tlu had runners in scoring position it was with 2 outs or with hitters with poor approaches at the plate.  he is by no means an overpowering pitcher, but once again, by throwing strikes and going right at the tlu hitters that refused to make adjustments with the wind blowing in, he was able to shut them down and throw a complete game.  the umhb bodies look weak as a whole....but noone can argue with the fact that they keep finding a way to win, so for right now, they stand as the best team in the west.


overall, slow paced game even though it only took 2 hrs 15 min...lots of timeouts, and mound visits, and timidness.  neither team looked as though they really wanted to win....its almost like umhb was waiting to see if TLU was really not very good this year and tlu was waiting to see if umhb was as good as everyone says they are.  neither team took control of the game, and neither team took advantage of both starting pitchers throwing 75%+ fastballs.  I think tomorrow is up in the air right now depending on how tlu responds to handing umhb the game.  either way tlu hasnt gotten eny better since their first conf series against ctx, and i saw a umhb team that looks very beatable if a BALLCLUB shows up to perform in Red Murff field.

and again i state, right now umhb is still the best team in the west, and right now they are finding ways to win...kudos to them, and kudos to rb garza for his complete game performance.




Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 08:05:12 pm
UMHB 4 TLU 3

Hull hits a batter with the bases loaded and the CRU hangs on .

UMHB 3 - TLU 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/032808-a.htm)

Looks like it was a pretty solid game. Hull still getting himself in a little trouble with bad timing on those BBs and HBPs, but you'd like to think that if you hold UMHB to 3 runs and those top four hitters to a 2-15 day, that you have a good chance to win that game. I'd take that performance every time out against that team.

The bottom line is that TLU struck out entirely too much, particularly with two outs and chances to get a a run across. They can't seem to put all facets of the game together.

They say good teams find a way to win, evidently that's what happened here. You have to commend Garza on his job on the bump. He did a good job scattering the 10 hits, and struck out 11. He's not a power pitcher; TLU should be putting the ball in play and making things happen against a team that hasn't fielded that great this year.

It should be an interesting DH tomorrow. Did the loss diminish confidence and emotionally drain the Bulldogs or did it convince them they can play with UMHB? The starting pitching on Saturday has been suspect all year, but Wesson pitched well in his first start last weekend against McMurry. Can he duplicate that effort?

JSG




I watched every single pitch of that game. 1st of all it was fairly cold, i usually know the weather, and it caught me by surprise when i got out of my car.  This cold weather brought precipitation and a steady wind that was blowing in the hitters faces the entire game about 10-15 mph.

TLU
im not convinced these guys cannot win 1 possibly even 2 games tomorrow.  For 1 as JSG noted, hopefully they were mature enough to see that they played right along side the #18 team in the nation and handed them the game.  They need to figure out really quickly how to hit on all cylinders.  For the most part it all came down to poor execution for the Bulldogs.  Not getting bunts down, steal attempts in the wrong situations, and a very lazy tempo.  Logan Hull through 26 consecutive 1st pitch fastballs at 1 point.  i mean i understand he only throws 2 pitches, and for the most part he shut the UMHB lineup down, but he needs to mix it up.  One would think that for a reagular starting pitcher (Hull) who threw 90% fastballs today would be able to control it enough to not hit a batter with the bases loaded....but he did, and it proved to be the winning run for the Crusaders.  The TLU hitters were taking fastballs and swinging and crap out of the strikezone after getting behing in the count.  They had plenty of oppurtunities to capitalize on UMHB's day off, but went ahead and took the day off themselves.  Hull's performance on paper may look good, but i think the wind blowing in the hitters faces is the cause for his success today.  He looked out of control and mindless on the mound.  He could easily take the control of the game if he would work quicker and mix uo his pitches.  in my mind, umhb handed tlu this game and tlu handed it right back to them.

umhb
this was my first hard focus on this ball club.  they didnt look any stronger than a struggling tlu team today.  rb garza did a great job of establishing command early and seemed to have a plan out on the mound.  he never got in serious trouble, and when tlu had runners in scoring position it was with 2 outs or with hitters with poor approaches at the plate.  he is by no means an overpowering pitcher, but once again, by throwing strikes and going right at the tlu hitters that refused to make adjustments with the wind blowing in, he was able to shut them down and throw a complete game.  the umhb bodies look weak as a whole....but noone can argue with the fact that they keep finding a way to win, so for right now, they stand as the best team in the west.


overall, slow paced game even though it only took 2 hrs 15 min...lots of timeouts, and mound visits, and timidness.  neither team looked as though they really wanted to win....its almost like umhb was waiting to see if TLU was really not very good this year and tlu was waiting to see if umhb was as good as everyone says they are.  neither team took control of the game, and neither team took advantage of both starting pitchers throwing 75%+ fastballs.  I think tomorrow is up in the air right now depending on how tlu responds to handing umhb the game.  either way tlu hasnt gotten eny better since their first conf series against ctx, and i saw a umhb team that looks very beatable if a BALLCLUB shows up to perform in Red Murff field.

and again i state, right now umhb is still the best team in the west, and right now they are finding ways to win...kudos to them, and kudos to rb garza for his complete game performance.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 08:11:39 pm
Great analysis.

+1 karma

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 09:21:05 pm
McMurry gets to Schreiner's Armijo in the bottom of the fifth for 4 runs on 6 straight hits to go ahead 5-0.

McMurry broadcast (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/va92winlive2274.asx)

McM's Johnston is still on the mound thru 5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 09:26:37 pm
HSU 2-1 over CTX in the 6th.

McM 7-0 thru 5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 09:27:33 pm
UT Dallas leading UT Tyler 7-6 in the top of the 8th...

Dallas roughed up Ryan Campbell pretty good.
Mark Cox is out of the game for Dallas as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 10:14:16 pm
McMurry leads 10-0 in the bottom of the 8th.

3B Derek David is 3-5 with 2 runs and 4 RBI including a double and solo HR.

McM 10-0 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/news/baseball/2008/3/28/032808bsb2.asp).

Johnston gets a 3-hit shutout.  12 K's, 1 BB in a Complete Game.  (123 pitches.)

David's HR was his 12th of the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 28, 2008, 10:35:37 pm
Just got home from the park....UT Dallas upsets Tyler 9-7.

All I have to say is that Campbell did not have his slider tonight. They roughed him up pretty good.

Let the jabbing begin to my Patriots.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 28, 2008, 10:48:51 pm
Clint Johnston hurls a 3-hit shutout, 12K

http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/3/28/032808bsb2.asp (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/3/28/032808bsb2.asp)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 11:12:34 pm
HSU 6, CTX 2 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/hsubsb24.html)

Good game by the Cowboys towards getting themselves back into tourney contention.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 29, 2008, 10:15:57 am
HPU 19 SRSU 6.   HPU scored 9 runs in the 5th to take control of the game.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2008, 04:45:16 pm
McM 7, SU 3; Curry pitches a 7-inning complete game and gives up no earned runs.

McM 10, SU 0; RHP Dakota Smith gives up 4 hits and strikes out 9 in 8.2 innings.  He loads the bases in the top of the 9th.  LHP Kyle Martin gets the ground-out to end the game.

Game reports by mcmsid should be up later.

(Thanks mcmsid.   ;)  )
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 29, 2008, 07:23:37 pm
UTT takes from UTD today 5-3 and 7-0. Brooher throws 2 hit shutout in the 9 inning nightcap striking out 10. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 29, 2008, 07:48:31 pm
http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/3/29/032908bsb2.asp (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/3/29/032908bsb2.asp)

No earned runs by McMurry pitchers in series sweep
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2008, 11:31:28 pm
1.     Mary Hardin-Baylor     9-3         21-6            at SU/   CTX/         at HPU
2.      McMurry                  8-4       18-11           at CTX/ HPU/         at SRSU
       Howard Payne            8-4        13-13           HSU/     at McM/    UMHB
4.    Concordia                 7-5         19-11           McM/     at UMHB/  SU
5.    Hardin-Simmons          5-7        14-12          at HPU/ SRSU/       at TLU
       Texas Lutheran         5-7          15-15          SRSU/    at SU/      HSU
       Schreiner                   5-7         8-20          UMHB/   TLU/         at CTX
8.    Sul Ross State            1-11       4-22          at TLU/  at HSU/    McM


I think that SRSU is almost mathematically eliminated.  HPU and CTX have the tie-breaker on SRSU. The Lobos seem to be 6.5 games out of 4th with 9 games to  play.  That being said, it is a 7-team race.

UMHB has a 1 game lead plus the season series over McMurry for the #1 seed in the West.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 30, 2008, 02:01:01 am
I had 18 of 21 game picks right and 4 of the 7 series. How did everyone else do?


I swear, I'm not trying to sound cocky/arrogant/etc.....I'm just posting this at 1 AM after getting off work. Sorry if that comes across badly.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2008, 02:56:32 am
I had 18 of 21 game picks right and 4 of the 7 series. How did everyone else do?

I swear, I'm not trying to sound cocky/arrogant/etc.....I'm just posting this at 1 AM after getting off work. Sorry if that comes across badly.
I just need CTX to let McMurry sweep the series, while CTX takes 2 of 3 from UMHB!  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 30, 2008, 11:54:04 am
East Standings:

1. UT Tyler               7-2
    Miss. College       7-2
    La. College          7-2
    Ozarks                 9-3
    LeTourneau         2-7
    UTD                     2-10
    ETBU                   2-10

I think ETBU and UTD are virtually out although I am sure there is some weird scenario where they could possibly get 4th.

Should be an interesting next 3 weeks with alot of games between the top 4 for seeding.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 31, 2008, 10:19:10 am
16 out of 21 here.
did better on the east side, which i dont keep up with as much. go figure!

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2008, 10:49:43 am
16 out of 21 here.
did better on the east side, which i dont keep up with as much. go figure!
Two thoughts on that...

1)  Less emotional attachment to the outcome of games in the East.
2)  More predictable games last week.

The West is a real "crap shoot".
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 31, 2008, 11:29:05 am
Hammy is there going to be a radio brodcast on this weekends games?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 31, 2008, 12:13:50 pm
1.     Mary Hardin-Baylor     9-3         21-6            at SU/   CTX/         at HPU
2.      McMurry                  8-4       18-11           at CTX/ HPU/         at SRSU
       Howard Payne            8-4        13-13           HSU/     at McM/    UMHB
4.    Concordia                 7-5         19-11           McM/     at UMHB/  SU
5.    Hardin-Simmons          5-7        14-12          at HPU/ SRSU/       at TLU
       Texas Lutheran         5-7          15-15          SRSU/    at SU/      HSU
       Schreiner                   5-7         8-20          UMHB/   TLU/         at CTX
8.    Sul Ross State            1-11       4-22          at TLU/  at HSU/    McM

It looks like the West is going to come down to the last game. I haven't followed HPU much this year, but they have put up some pretty large numbers in the runs column. Right now they are tied for 2nd, however, they have the toughest schedule down the stretch with: HSU, @McM, UMHB....with this, i dont see them making the playoffs.

I have UMHB and McM staying where they are, and CTX locking in 3rd with a series sweep over SU the last weekend of the year.

I think that the 4th and final spot goes to the winner of the final game of the year between HSU @ TLU. And as bad as TLU has played ALL YEAR, I think they find a way into the playoffs. They have the weakest schedule down the stretch...i see them sweeping SRSU, 2 from SU, and 2 from HSU. With their past... it is always hard for me to count those guys out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 31, 2008, 06:41:22 pm
I don't know if I like Concordia losing, because nothing gets said on here the week after they get showed up.  Where you at Hambone?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 09:23:44 am
Fungo dad , looks like you need to worry about UTT and how they need to get back on track after their weekend guy.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 01, 2008, 10:50:37 am
Since when does a team need to get back on track after winning 2 out of 3? Looks as if Concordia does nothing unless Tommy hits a homer, which he has lost the ASC lead to Derek David. I know that is all you guys had, and its gone now.

By the way, we smoked you 2 out of three as well...

HAMBONE is in hiding it looks like, hopefully you guys play Sul Ross this weekend so you can get back on track.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 11:00:59 am
Smoked Concordia, hmm I was at that series and im not sure it was smoke, but you being the dad you probably know more about baseball than me, so ill just be quit. As far as being on track, with your talk I thought UTT was not going to lose a game the whole year. As far as CTX,  yeah they lost 2 of 3 and we didnt go to the series so its hard to go about what happend, and i dotn base a series off boxscores coach.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 01, 2008, 11:21:34 am
I would call it getting smoked when you need 6 runs in the last 3 innings of a game to avoid being swept. Somone should tell your SID to post a news story, and perhaps boxscores even when you guys lose. Just checked out your schedule page, and you guys are still living in denial from this past weekend I guess.

Where you at HAMBONE?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 11:40:15 am
Wow do you really watch baseball, what is your "hard on" for Concordia. Is it the fact  you cant get over our run in the past, that we talk about to get you riled up. Not sure but you seem very inteligent, and we did stop talking about that. If im not mistaken that series was 2 our 3 to your highly touted UTTyler Longhorns, and I was there. CTX took the first game, the second game was close until the last inning , and the third went wide open in the 4th or 5th. And after hearing how UTT was so AWESOME, after the series I really cant say they were everything built up to be.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 01, 2008, 12:10:09 pm
UTTyler Longhorns

Blackcat, it's the Patriots. And say what you will, but UTT has been better this year than CTX.

I still don't get the purpose of all this back-and-forth smack talk. All it does is get people riled up and it doesn't do anything really useful to the board.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 12:14:09 pm
Oh CUA Fan I didnt know your were the moderator. Keep doing your formulas and figure out whos going to win this weekend. And we are talking baseball so I have no clue what your talking about, and it is a good time to get riled up on here, if thats not you join a war craft message board.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 01, 2008, 12:22:07 pm
Here's the new set of statistical Top 5's after last week's games. One new thing I did for the team stats is that I calculated the percentage of a team's plate appearances that ended in one of the "three true outcomes" (homer, walk, strikeout). Everything else is the same as before.

Team DICE
Texas-Tyler - 3.25
Louisiana College - 3.45
Ozarks - 3.52
Mississippi College - 4.16
McMurry - 4.37

Team BaseRun Average
Texas-Tyler - 3.81
Ozarks - 4.19
Mississippi College - 5.11
Texas-Dallas - 5.12
Louisiana College - 5.30

Team Defense
Texas-Tyler - .689
Texas-Dallas - .682
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .680
Ozarks - .674
Mississippi College - .669

Team BsR/PA
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .216
Texas-Tyler - .215
McMurry - .212
Ozarks - .208
Concordia-Texas - .205

Team Speed
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 8.92
Mississippi College - 8.42
Texas-Tyler - 8.41
Ozarks - 7.91
Schreiner - 7.78

Three True Outcome %
Schreiner - 27.1%
Sul Ross State - 25.6%
East Texas Baptist - 24.6%
Concordia-Texas - 23.6%
Texas-Dallas - 22.3%
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 01, 2008, 01:03:07 pm
UTT has shown some chinks in the armor.  Cambell was not good two weeks in a row and especially this past weekend. Still I thought Vilade was a bit quick with the hook  as they really do not have a long releif guy they can count on. Overall their bullpen is very average. They have on more than one occassion blown late leads. I personally would have stuck with Cambell and see if he could have worked  his way though it.  This team also does not have the power that past UTT teams have shown.

Bottom line is they are good but not nearly the team of a year ago and right now I am not so sure they have the pitching depth to go very far in the conference tournament. Just my opinion.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 01, 2008, 01:04:24 pm
I am still around.  no i havent been posting, sorry my laptop is down for the count and this particular model didnt comne with a "drivers" or reboot disk to fix the problem, apparently the resources are hidden in the startup bios somewhere and i cant figure it out.....anyway, until i get it fixed i will not be on here daily.

CTX lost 2 of 3 yes, but that actually didnt surprise me.  I am well aware they are struggling on the bump and will do nothing but support their cause, but they really didnt give me any thing to brag about....if Tom had hit 3 bombs i could atleast say something, but he was 0 for the series so its safe to say that with out pitching if he doesnt swing it their chances diminish quickly.  I will say something to defend his cause.....he was (ans is still at the top in all 4) leading the conference in Hr's, Slugging percentage, Strikeouts, and walks (regular and intentional)....that tells me when he gets a pitch a hit he hits it hard and well, when nooone is pitching to him he gets impatient and and swings at stuff out of the zone which is a cause for the strikeouts and the fact that he swings harder than most people and when you swing big you miss big......only he can figure this out for himself and when he decides to mature as a hitter and not necessarily become selective but develop an approach at the plate that allows him not to miss his pitch....he will have these ups and downs when teams decide to not pitch for him...

im excited to see a 7 team race in the west...some hearts are gonna get broken in the next few weeks, but i am a living, breathing, example that life goes on after baseball...  

ill post later tonight after i have some time to do some research from all of last weekends games....i am not hiding, just dont have a computer at my side like ususal.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 01, 2008, 01:10:30 pm
Blackcat00 tone down it notch tough guy....noone lost the pennant last weekend....as much as we would all like a loss to hurt the UTT ballclub, they have already qualified for the tourney....so in my mind a loss actually help them right now as it allows them to fix any weaknesses before they move on....you need to be a little more concerned about the race in the west....if our beloved tornadoes cant win on the road they willnot survive IF they make it to the post season.....anyone can win at home, but the good teams feel right at home everytime they take the field.....

only TLU has the class to feel so at home that if they beat you they celebrate on your field like they have never won before....they actually serve refreshments at the the parties they have at home plate when someone actually hits a homerun; its brutal.

hambone out
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 01:29:08 pm
Hambone good to see  you back, nice analysis on the weekend series. Are you sure your pops isnt Peter Gammons. YOu know me im just messing with these guys on here in all fun and games. I will be at the Friday night game against McMurry and hopefully it will be a close watchable game because it could go either way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: wetsu on April 01, 2008, 04:41:46 pm
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

Wow! You put your finger right on it. The anti-Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod conspiracy amongst the ASC coaches rears its ugly head ... again.  :o
I don't know how the Coach of the Year is selected, but Gardner is definitely more than that in my books!  He's not only a remarkable coach who is highly respected by his players, he's an all around great man.  I have seen my son mature greatly over the last couple of years and as much as I would like to take the credit, I know that Garnder has had more to do with it than anyone.  I couldn't have asked for my son to have been in any better hands. 
I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 04:51:29 pm
Westu you need to leave your personal thoughts and opinions about coaches to  yourself. Noone cares!Their are always bad apples on every team with negative parents, and im sorry you have a grudge for a very respectible coach in the ASC. You need have a reality check my friend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 04:54:21 pm
Maybe he should have went with Lacrosse.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sportsfan61 on April 01, 2008, 05:41:08 pm
Starters for HSU-UT Tyler

HSU - Sam Walker 1-1, 7.77 ERA, LHP
UT Tyler - Lex Wolfe 1-0, 3.24 ERA, RHP
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 01, 2008, 05:59:35 pm
HPU 3 UD 1 Final Game 1

UD 3 HPU 1 in the 4th of Game 2
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 01, 2008, 06:30:39 pm
Glad to see you around again HAMBONE. You seem to be taking the losses much better tahn Blackcat. I guess he still doesn't realize I am talking about game one of the Concordia, Tyler series when Concordia needed 6 runs in the last 3 to come back and win. That win kept them from being swept. Is that too hard to comprehend?

CUAFan provides more insight to this board with one of his stat posts than you have in your last 20 Blackcat, so they are much appreciated. Maybe he is just upset his Tornados aren't in any of the stats except the one with all the bottom teams in the divisions. Keep them coming!

As I post this... my Patriots have just batted around to take the lead vs Hardin-Simmons 4-2 in the 2nd.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 01, 2008, 08:18:57 pm
Here's an update on Jonathan Miller (Concordia-TX alum):

http://www.rivercityrascals.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=4

(Note:  Scroll down a bit,)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 01, 2008, 11:41:28 pm

Final Score UTT 17 and HSU 6

HSU scored 4 runs in the first two innings getting to Wolfe but their pitching staff was really exposed as  UTT scored in almost every inning.
 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 01, 2008, 11:42:04 pm
Glad to see you around again HAMBONE. You seem to be taking the losses much better tahn Blackcat. I guess he still doesn't realize I am talking about game one of the Concordia, Tyler series when Concordia needed 6 runs in the last 3 to come back and win. That win kept them from being swept. Is that too hard to comprehend?

CUAFan provides more insight to this board with one of his stat posts than you have in your last 20 Blackcat, so they are much appreciated. Maybe he is just upset his Tornados aren't in any of the stats except the one with all the bottom teams in the divisions. Keep them coming!

As I post this... my Patriots have just batted around to take the lead vs Hardin-Simmons 4-2 in the 2nd.

you are correct fungoman...as always you do your research...maybe our wisdom will come with time like yours...like maybe after we have a kid playing...but until then we will continue to post with remarks that make some hairs stand up as we are all recent college graduates and are not used to spectating...i hope that you can understand?

i take losses well.  i understand that baseball is a game of failure...it is a game of adjsutments and angles....it is a game that is considered a team-sport but the outcome relies soley on indiviual performance...you may say that all team sports rely collectively on indiviual performance, but how many of those sports have a salary cap?  wel i can think of 3 and this msg board only covers 1 of those.  i also understand that CTX isnt working with much of a pitching staff this year, but niether is the rest of the west....hencew the # of rising d3 batting champions we hae on our hands...the pitching is bad enough to hit the good hitters bats and then put the good hitters right back into a preverbial slump......i do not have anything to criticize the east about other than paper #'s and that is what i rely on cuafan and Just_Some_Guy to analyze b/c their analysis is unbiased baswed on both divisions stats....i have first-hand knowledge of what goes on in the west and what type of players are producing the double-digit #'sw that you read of on the internet.................

i also understand what you meant about needing to score six runs to keep from getting swept.....that is a good point that you made.  Thee UTT-Patriots are a good club. regardless of the prediction opr the innings it took to score the runs CTX did win that game and UTT won the next 2.   I have not and will not (until their is a phenom in austin)  claim that CTX is better than any team, first of all they havent proveed to dominate anyone, and they have plenty of things to work on.  Nor has CTX been ranked in the top 5 in the country so them losing isnt as much surprising as the beloved patriots...so with that in mind it would make as much sense to say that the unbeatable team with the best pitching in the conference was beat by an underdog west team (ctx).....but we both know its baseball, utt was on the road...it was early...it was a new field....tom williams was hot and thats all they have...whatever the case maybe, they are all excuses and that is why the asc does not count the cross-over games anymore...what we4 have at present is a 7 team dogfight for the conf tourney and it will only get bloodier from here on out.......i plan on seeing some raquet-balls and golf ballsflying out of some bats...this is when its gets fun....everyone loves offense and everyone respects defense+that means we respect the east, but we4 love the west.

blackcat00...lay off fungoman....if he realized the patriots were in the tourney he would laydown silently and let everyone sleep...but he is drawing attention to the team that is supposed to be perfect...man i wish i could lace up my spikes again and jump into this race for the title....this has to be the most competitive year yet...Mr Jacoby would love this athletic competition!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 02, 2008, 12:51:42 am

I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
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I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
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EXCUSE ME...first of all, let me welcome you "GUEST" to board...You apparently have no clue whatsoever....look around and grab one, as they are all around. 

First let me say that you just posted to a message that was presented on this board over a year ago....noone here know what you are talking about (except me, or anyone that took the time to dig through the archives to understand what you are referring too).

Second, you state that coach gardner has destroyyed all your sons confidence and desire as well.....with all do respect sir...if he cannot control his confidence level and desire for a game that he desrves a scholarship for then he does not need a scholarship or to play that particualr sport...ever....in this case it is the game of baseball.....if you have ever studied any book on baseball the best hitters of the game hit .400 and the best pitchers are very slim...baseball is game of failure....deal with it....you even speak of the beloved d3 college wqorld series....ctx was 2 and out...that is failure, but at the same time it was success...be a father and read between the lines, quit feeling sorry for yourself and do your son a favor and quit feeling sorry for him...by this time, i assume he is an adult and will need his life lessons to raise a family, not a d3 baseball resume.

you state that coach gardner was angry at your son b/c he was waiting on a d3 baseball scholarship....i think every d3 baseball player was waiting on a dII baseball scholarship, so that is a piss poor excuse.....  those who wait around find themselves searching for the back of the line....LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.....hopefully you understand what that means....if you do not, then you qwill probably be responding to this post some time in 2010 season complaining about all the sarcasm on this board.

you also state that GARDNER put him in no-win situations!!!! you obviously know nothing about baseball.....let me expalin it again if you cannot understand statistics...baseball is a game of failure.  even if the team was losing when your son pitched, he still had the odds on his side to succeed......the best hitter ever failed 7 out of 10 times......???????? think about it.  if he was that good, then he wouldnt have been playing on a team that could not field...."ALL ELSE EQUALS" ... ever heard that before?  Ill give you a hint, it was not written in 2007.

first of all the "heavenly blessed" comment was not necessary, but i am only defending GOD on this one...you might want to ask this entire boasrd for forgiveness....even though we cannot let you in baseball heaven, you are talking to a baseball board that supports private institutions, not belittle them liek yourself.  secondly, the "tuition out the wazzo" statement....what the hell?  are the only one that the schoole raped out of money?  if your son was so heavenly blessed by the baseball gods then why did he not get that so beloved DII scholarship he waited around on?  noone here feels sorry for you.  most of us have student loan payment to deal with.....i can tell you one thing, i have plenty of plaques on my wall that says i was "GOOD" in the same conference you arwe bitching about and i still write a check every month, so you might want to rethink who you are complaining to....none of us feel sorry for you or your son who is still wating around.

If you could do anything detrimental to him you would?  are you serious?  if you were you would have already done it.  if you do, its in the first degree b/c it is premeditated.  why dont you start by looking yourself in the mirror.  just b/c you wait around doesnt mean you are a failure.  your son is probably good.  i do not even know his name or his pitching style but i am trying to teach you a lesson.  you held him back, now he is suffering, and you are pointing fingers on a message board.....there are no players of the week on this message board...  why dont you create a profile like the rest of us and join us once ina while.

next you say "worthless piece of excretement" .... i think i missed something here....didnt you send your son to go play for this man?  didnt you sign the student loan papers?  didnt your tell your son to wait around for a free scholarship from the DII program?  YOU ARE RETARDED....DI programs only get 12 scholarships...yes that means the beloved UT also....most teams travel with 18-25 players...do the math smart guy...if your son was any good the best he would have been offered was books, tuition, and fees...that is still not a full scholarship an dvery few get that offer at a DI program.....get off you high horse and smell the coffee (the best coffee is at Dunkin Donuts BTW)....

Next you say that "Coach Gardner is not Gods Gift To Baseball" ... noone stated that he was ... if you ever pay attenetion or have been to cooperstown....the only people that were gods gift to baseball attended Jose Canseco's Bar-B-Q with Roger Clemens in 2001...I believe that Andy Pettite was there but he "MISREMEMBERS"...take that for what its worth.  in fact i think that your son might have benefeted from the supplements that were distributed at that "Bar-B-Q"

your last statement about "you or her coaching our world series team"  really told me that you did not understand the game of baseball or concordia's success for that matter..you are retarded...first of all, if you were our coach we probably be just waiting around for someone to tell us if we were good just like your son...second, noone on my team would paly for you...noone.  probably not even your son, b/c i would convince him that I wa better than you (and he would believe me, believe me)...third of all, if you knew anything about anyting, you would know that if your son was not handle being un-successful at a D3 program then hes hould have pursued a different route to happiness...how many time do you see MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS coming back from retirement?  HOW MANY COLLEGE BASBALL PLAYERS MAKE IT TO THE BIG LEAGUES?  1 out of ever 10,000 college baseball players makes it to the major leagues.....i had the success story starting the 5A all-star all-state game in TEXAS in 2000 as a catcher and was a 2-time all-american nominee and all-west region catcher and all-west region DH.....I struck out my last college at-bat in the 2004 ASC conf tourney.....COACH GARDNER prepared me for that at-bat so-well i was happy to shake the MISSISSIPI COLLEGE PITCHER'S hand after the game, i was proud of him.  i had all the accomplsihments in the world, i never got drafted...AND I DEALT WITH IT....if you are a man with testosteone and hair on your chest then you will do the same...GOOD LUCK GUEST...grow some balls and get a screenname!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 02, 2008, 01:00:37 am
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

Wow! You put your finger right on it. The anti-Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod conspiracy amongst the ASC coaches rears its ugly head ... again.  :o
I don't know how the Coach of the Year is selected, but Gardner is definitely more than that in my books!  He's not only a remarkable coach who is highly respected by his players, he's an all around great man.  I have seen my son mature greatly over the last couple of years and as much as I would like to take the credit, I know that Garnder has had more to do with it than anyone.  I couldn't have asked for my son to have been in any better hands. 
I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.

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and it looke i typed 13 paragraphs..., i guess i took up a whole page by myself....please read it all and refer back to his (wetsu) original messages to understand my true meaning...i really do respect every players dad on this message board....but when they degrade anothers players dad, and belittle him, and use him as an excuse it baffles me....grow up... if you are good you will play somewhere, if you are not, you will complain on a message board...... HERE IS TO YOU WETSU...please "PACK-A-LUNCH" ......

I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
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EXCUSE ME...first of all, let me welcome you "GUEST" to board...You apparently have no clue whatsoever....look around and grab one, as they are all around. 

First let me say that you just posted to a message that was presented on this board over a year ago....noone here know what you are talking about (except me, or anyone that took the time to dig through the archives to understand what you are referring too).

Second, you state that coach gardner has destroyyed all your sons confidence and desire as well.....with all do respect sir...if he cannot control his confidence level and desire for a game that he desrves a scholarship for then he does not need a scholarship or to play that particualr sport...ever....in this case it is the game of baseball.....if you have ever studied any book on baseball the best hitters of the game hit .400 and the best pitchers are very slim...baseball is game of failure....deal with it....you even speak of the beloved d3 college wqorld series....ctx was 2 and out...that is failure, but at the same time it was success...be a father and read between the lines, quit feeling sorry for yourself and do your son a favor and quit feeling sorry for him...by this time, i assume he is an adult and will need his life lessons to raise a family, not a d3 baseball resume.

you state that coach gardner was angry at your son b/c he was waiting on a d3 baseball scholarship....i think every d3 baseball player was waiting on a dII baseball scholarship, so that is a piss poor excuse.....  those who wait around find themselves searching for the back of the line....LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.....hopefully you understand what that means....if you do not, then you qwill probably be responding to this post some time in 2010 season complaining about all the sarcasm on this board.

you also state that GARDNER put him in no-win situations!!!! you obviously know nothing about baseball.....let me expalin it again if you cannot understand statistics...baseball is a game of failure.  even if the team was losing when your son pitched, he still had the odds on his side to succeed......the best hitter ever failed 7 out of 10 times......???????? think about it.  if he was that good, then he wouldnt have been playing on a team that could not field...."ALL ELSE EQUALS" ... ever heard that before?  Ill give you a hint, it was not written in 2007.

first of all the "heavenly blessed" comment was not necessary, but i am only defending GOD on this one...you might want to ask this entire boasrd for forgiveness....even though we cannot let you in baseball heaven, you are talking to a baseball board that supports private institutions, not belittle them liek yourself.  secondly, the "tuition out the wazzo" statement....what the hell?  are the only one that the schoole raped out of money?  if your son was so heavenly blessed by the baseball gods then why did he not get that so beloved DII scholarship he waited around on?  noone here feels sorry for you.  most of us have student loan payment to deal with.....i can tell you one thing, i have plenty of plaques on my wall that says i was "GOOD" in the same conference you arwe bitching about and i still write a check every month, so you might want to rethink who you are complaining to....none of us feel sorry for you or your son who is still wating around.

If you could do anything detrimental to him you would?  are you serious?  if you were you would have already done it.  if you do, its in the first degree b/c it is premeditated.  why dont you start by looking yourself in the mirror.  just b/c you wait around doesnt mean you are a failure.  your son is probably good.  i do not even know his name or his pitching style but i am trying to teach you a lesson.  you held him back, now he is suffering, and you are pointing fingers on a message board.....there are no players of the week on this message board...  why dont you create a profile like the rest of us and join us once ina while.

next you say "worthless piece of excretement" .... i think i missed something here....didnt you send your son to go play for this man?  didnt you sign the student loan papers?  didnt your tell your son to wait around for a free scholarship from the DII program?  YOU ARE RETARDED....DI programs only get 12 scholarships...yes that means the beloved UT also....most teams travel with 18-25 players...do the math smart guy...if your son was any good the best he would have been offered was books, tuition, and fees...that is still not a full scholarship an dvery few get that offer at a DI program.....get off you high horse and smell the coffee (the best coffee is at Dunkin Donuts BTW)....

Next you say that "Coach Gardner is not Gods Gift To Baseball" ... noone stated that he was ... if you ever pay attenetion or have been to cooperstown....the only people that were gods gift to baseball attended Jose Canseco's Bar-B-Q with Roger Clemens in 2001...I believe that Andy Pettite was there but he "MISREMEMBERS"...take that for what its worth.  in fact i think that your son might have benefeted from the supplements that were distributed at that "Bar-B-Q"

your last statement about "you or her coaching our world series team"  really told me that you did not understand the game of baseball or concordia's success for that matter..you are retarded...first of all, if you were our coach we probably be just waiting around for someone to tell us if we were good just like your son...second, noone on my team would paly for you...noone.  probably not even your son, b/c i would convince him that I wa better than you (and he would believe me, believe me)...third of all, if you knew anything about anyting, you would know that if your son was not handle being un-successful at a D3 program then hes hould have pursued a different route to happiness...how many time do you see MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS coming back from retirement?  HOW MANY COLLEGE BASBALL PLAYERS MAKE IT TO THE BIG LEAGUES?  1 out of ever 10,000 college baseball players makes it to the major leagues.....i had the success story starting the 5A all-star all-state game in TEXAS in 2000 as a catcher and was a 2-time all-american nominee and all-west region catcher and all-west region DH.....I struck out my last college at-bat in the 2004 ASC conf tourney.....COACH GARDNER prepared me for that at-bat so-well i was happy to shake the MISSISSIPI COLLEGE PITCHER'S hand after the game, i was proud of him.  i had all the accomplsihments in the world, i never got drafted...AND I DEALT WITH IT....if you are a man with testosteone and hair on your chest then you will do the same...GOOD LUCK GUEST...grow some balls and get a screenname!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 02, 2008, 08:51:07 am
Fungoman whats not hard to comprehend, I was at that game. Yeah they scored 6 runs which was impressive to comeback and get that friday night win. So that saying is it unempressive saying UTT had to have all those errors from CTX on Sat. keeping them from getting swept on Sat. A win is a win. Your analysis on baseball makes no sense.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2008, 10:45:44 am
To date, I have looked at the games between the ASC and the SCAC.  The "score" is:

ASC 27 SCAC 16.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 02, 2008, 11:49:50 am
Yeah, but how many of those are in-region games, Ralph? :P

Anyway, here are my new player Top 5's. The only difference is that I've split up starters and relievers for the pitching stats. I made the decision on where to put guys by comparing GP to GS, so if a coach has changed one of his starters in the last 2-3 weeks then I might not have him on the right section of the stats. Also, by this evening I should have a set of region-wide hitter rankings ready to go with my new team regional rankings.

Starters
DICE
B. Holland, UTT - 1.79, 54.2
B. Booher, UTT - 2.65, 53.2
C. Curry, MCM - 2.71, 45.0
T. Koch, UO - 2.74, 41.2
C. Dixon, UO - 2.91, 42.2

BaseRun Average (BaseRuns per 9 IP)
B. Booher, UTT - 2.01, 53.2 IP
B. Cameron, UO - 2.34, 54.2
B. Holland, UTT - 2.74, 54.2
C. Dixon, UO - 2.80, 42.2
M. Cox, UTD - 3.07, 55.2

VORP1 (this one uses BaseRun Average; I like it better than the next one[/u]
B. Booher, UTT - 32.88
B. Holland, UTT - 29.07
M. Cox, UTD - 27.52
C. Dixon, UO - 22.39
C. Curry, MCM - 20.55

VORP2 (this one uses Run Average, which gives results that seem too big for me to believe them)
B. Booher, UTT - 48.10
M. Cox, UTD - 39.30
B. Holland, UTT - 36.20
R. Garza, UMHB - 32.75
C. Dixon, UO - 31.98

Relievers
DICE
B. Ziegler, UTT - 1.94, 26.1 IP
C. Munchrath, UTT - 2.53, 21.1
K. Barton, HSU - 2.89, 27.2
C. Robeau, LC - 3.10, 21.0
T. Staggs, TLU - 3.17, 29.1

BsRA
B. Morgan, LC - 0.90, 15.2
J. Scheuring, UO - 2.12, 13.2
B. Ziegler, UTT - 2.53, 26.1
K. Barton, HSU - 2.72, 27.2
L. Wolfe, UTT - 2.85, 8.1

VORP1
K. Barton, HSU - 11.91
B. Ziegler, UTT - 11.89
B. Morgan, LC - 9.92
J. Alcorn, HSU - 9.09
J. Valentine, UTD - 8.05

VORP2
K. Barton, HSU - 27.39
J. Valentine, UTD - 19.58
B. Ziegler, UTT - 16.97
J. Alcorn, HSU - 16.84
B. Morgan, LC - 16.65

Hitters
BsR/PA
D. David, MCM - .325, 141 PA
T. Williams, CTX - .319, 151
K. Fox, UTT - .309, 138
C. Briggs, UO - .304, 122
M. Volz, UMHB - .297, 109

VORP
D. David, MCM - 23.36
T. Williams, CTX - 23.23
K. Fox, UTT - 21.87
C. Briggs, UO - 19.24
J. Villegas, UMHB - 18.95

Speed
J. Villegas, UMHB - 13.29
K. Harvey, TLU - 13.24
D. Roux, LC - 13.16
L. Jones, MCM - 12.33
C. Baker, UTT - 12.05

Three True Outcome %
M. Schimpf, ETBU - 51.5%
T. Williams, CTX - 50.3%
R. Martinez, SU - 48.5%
I. Rayos, SRSU - 46.8%
R. Mummey, UO - 46.5%

BTW, I do have other players' numbers in these areas (a lot of them, actually), so if you ever wonder how someone else fares in any of these, feel free to ask.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2008, 01:04:12 pm
From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school. 

1.) Most of this quote doesn't deserve a response.
2.) Baseball is a game of adversity. If your son responds to that adversity and excels in those "no-win" situations I'm willing to bet that he changes Gardner's opinion of him, and he gets a larger role. (That's provided Gardner had an opinion - and it's doubtful).

There's typically a method to a coaches madness. Coaches often times put players in situations where they are bound to fail. If they don't, that's great. If they do fail, that's great for the coach too because it enables him to see that players REACTION to failure, and that may be the most important attribute in a baseball player in my opinion.

And different players have different reactions.

There are some guys that hustle back to the dugout, grab their gloves, hustle to their position intent on getting back on track the next at bat.

There are some that dwell on the at bat, beat the crap at of their helmet, etc. Some of those put it out of their mind prior to their next at bat, others don't. There's a FINE line between those two guys and the first guy.

The thing is that EVERY player is different. The way they REACT to situations is different, but a GREAT coach can discern those differences and know what to say and how to handle those respective players. Some you yell at to get their attention, some you pull aside and talk to, some you sit on the bench, some didn't belong in the game in the first place. And it gets more complicated, because for some guys you need different approaches for different situations. GREAT coaches have this inate skill, or maybe they acquire it.

REALLY GOOD coaches are able to handle these types of things the majority of the time. There's so much to know other than just the game of baseball. I would hate to think that my job depended on 18-22 year old kids performances, but to the outsider (and many ADs are outsiders because they don't necessarily understand the nuances of the game), that's what it boils down to.

Anyway, I'm off on a tangent now, but I think my point is relatively clear. Hambone is right. You love your son and the fact that you are involved in his life puts you ahead of many parents in this country, but you're not doing him any favors by your reaction to this scenario.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2008, 01:08:54 pm
only TLU has the class to feel so at home that if they beat you they celebrate on your field like they have never won before....

Noted, though I can name specific examples when all of the best teams in the West have in one way or another acted pretty classless. Maybe it's the nature of the dogfight that occurs every year in arguably one of the most competitive conferences in the country.

they actually serve refreshments at the the parties they have at home plate when someone actually hits a homerun; its brutal.

It's a little funny.

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2008, 01:18:36 pm