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Title: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on December 29, 2005, 03:10:56 pm
Here are the baseball web pages for all of the NCAC schools, preceded by the NCAC site itself:

NCAC Baseball: http://www.northcoast.org/ba/ba.html

Eastern Division

Allegheny: http://www.allegheny.edu/athletics/baseball/index.php

Hiram: http://www.hiram.edu/athletics/menssports/baseball.html

Kenyon: http://athletics.kenyon.edu/x501.xml

Oberlin: http://www.oberlin.edu/athletic/varsity/baseball/Default.html

Wooster: http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/default.php

Western Division

Denison: http://www.denison.edu/athletics/ba_stats.html

Earlham: http://www.earlham.edu/~awpe/baseball/index.html

OWU: http://bishops.owu.edu/baseball.html

Wabash: http://www.wabash.edu/sports/baseball

Wittenberg: http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/baseball/index.html
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2005, 03:35:34 pm
Welcome aboard NCAC and woosterbooster!  Thanks for the posting.

This should be fun.  I encourage posting hyperlinks to stories of interest, to posting scores and game summaries, and other things of interest.

This will be a real "low-budget" operation, but most of us know how to use the tools that Pat has provided! :)

Good luck NCAC baseball fans...the "hot-stove" league is in session!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 29, 2005, 05:54:07 pm
Thanks for getting this set up.  I know I will be checking in on this site once the season starts up. 

Looks like Wooster has just reloaded as usual.  They lose the national POY in Ullman and another AA in Frank and yet they are still the #1 team in the country.  I must say, I was a bit surprised to see that, but they do return their entire picthing staff, and they never seem to be at a shortage of bats in that lineup.  Should be a fun spring to watch.  Does anyone happen to know if Wooster will be getting more home games this season?  I seem to recall that they didn't have too many last season.  I haven't checked out their schedule yet.  Maybe that would help? ::)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WoosterFAN on December 29, 2005, 09:19:07 pm
I have been looking but I do not see the preseason rankings for baseball.  Could you please post a link?  And by my count Wooster only lost the two All-Americans and the whole left side of infield.  Reload?  Let's hope so.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on December 29, 2005, 11:22:23 pm
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I have been looking but I do not see the preseason rankings for baseball.  Could you please post a link?
[/i]Woosterfan -

Back out of this this topic and look under "DIII Baseball Polls".  The poll is in there, as is it's source, baseballnews.com

Jack
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on December 30, 2005, 01:52:36 am
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Does anyone happen to know if Wooster will be getting more home games this season?

Wooster will play 16 home games on 11 dates, which is quite a few more than last season (all of which I missed due to a broken ankle).  Their schedule is posted, but there are still a few unlisted opponents on the Florida trip.

Wooster's 2006 roster is also posted.  Riley Enos, a pitcher with lots of promise but who had arm problems last season, seems to no longer be on the team.  The oddity is that it looks like a younger brother of his, Oliver, a catcher/infielder (another oddity) is an incoming freshman.

Wooster's pitching staff has added yet a third Samson brother, Michael, who will follow in the footsteps of senior Walt and sophomore Adam.  Michael is listed at 6' and 200, which would make him the biggest of the three.  He's another lefty.

Jack

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 30, 2005, 11:40:39 am
And by my count Wooster only lost the two All-Americans and the whole left side of infield. Reload? Let's hope so.
WF, I'm just assuming they must have a lot of talent coming up to lose two 1st Team AA's and still be ranked #1.  They do have two 2nd Team AA's returning in Jon Oliver and Pat Christensen.  Christinsen happened to be the national newcomer of the year as well last season.  Their pitching staff is loaded, which I'm guessing is the main reason behind their lofty preseason ranking.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on December 30, 2005, 01:00:25 pm
Wooster Booster- U accidently put hiram's web-page for Denison... just wanted to let you know.

Second of all... even though Earlham is in my name and i played baseball for four-years i'm going to have to find another  fav. NCAC baseball team... since I mean i'll keep up with EC..... i'm not just to sure who it is going to be.  Wittenberg is out of the picture for sure.  Wabash is close to being out of the PIcture.  I always liked the way OWU played the game... and Denison had some pretty good years.  Both those teams have a lot of class and wabash for the most part...  I'll most likely stay in the West.. :)   

I don't think i can go for Wooster... only because in two sports i never beat them ONCE... good news.. i'm 0 For 0 agaist the Scots. :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on December 30, 2005, 01:34:54 pm
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Wooster Booster- U accidently put hiram's web-page for Denison... just wanted to let you know.

Thanks for catching that.  I want to re-align that post anyway, but can't yet, because I don't have the "edit" feature.  If Pat gives it to me, I'll make the fix.

I totally agree with you about both Denison and OWU.  OWU of course very good for years, Denison on the rise, and both classy programs.

A few years ago, during the NCAA regionals over at Thurman Munson Field in Canton, when both Wooster and OWU were involved, there was a rash of terrible weather.  Big-time thunderstorms, and a tornado actually passed by just to the north. The games were delayed, of course, and while waiting out the rain at a nearby Subway I ran into some of the OWU players.  We talked for a while and I was really impressed.  Whenever Wooster's not involved in a game, I'm an OWU fan.

Now, if you want my opinion about Wittenberg or Allegheny... ;-)

Jack


Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on December 31, 2005, 05:41:07 pm
I've noticed another "missing" player from Wooster's 2006 roster besides pitcher Riley Enos.  Ross Yoder, last season's starting secondbaseman, who should only be a junior this year, isn't listed. He was very solid on both sides of the ball last year, and if he really isn't returning, he'll be missed.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ghostface on January 01, 2006, 12:15:34 pm
I a little biased but who are some of the best players in the league.

OWU's Kyle Sherman is a great pro prospect. Who else has that potential in the league?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 05, 2006, 01:32:29 am
I've noticed another "missing" player from Wooster's 2006 roster besides pitcher Riley Enos.  Ross Yoder, last season's starting secondbaseman, who should only be a junior this year, isn't listed. He was very solid on both sides of the ball last year, and if he really isn't returning, he'll be missed.
Ross transferred to Mt. Vernon Nazerene.  There was a writeup in the Wooster Weekly about the Scots' preseason #1 ranking and it was mentioned in there.  That means that Wooster will have to replace three fourths of their infield.  Coach Pettorini did mention that he's got a couple of pretty good recruits to fill SS and 3rd base.  As for Yoder's spot at 2nd, I'm sure they have someone to step up and fill that too. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 05, 2006, 10:01:43 am
That's too bad about Yoder, he'll definitely be missed.  I wonder if the Scots will once again be considering moving Mike Barone into the infield as was a possibility before the beginning of last season when they were unsure of the return of Luke Ullman.

Jack
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 05, 2006, 11:51:51 am
Oh sweet...an NCAC baseball board.  I'm positively giddy. 

Wabash doesn't have a roster up yet and I hesitate to talk about who's back or not back because Wabash's baseball team seems to have a lot of turnover.  I think things have stabilized over the last few years...here's hoping this is the year Wabash can break through and get into the NCAC semis. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kcreds on January 06, 2006, 04:09:18 pm
Wally, I'm with ya, I am very excited about having this board. I learned so much about NCAC football this year by following the football board and now I can lean on you guys to become more knowledgeable about DIII baseball. The only team I am familiar with is Marietta and they have a great tradition. I now will be getting to know the OWU program a lot more since Jr. will be playing there. He is ecstatic about the program and he seems to really like their new coach, Durant. Jr. is a catcher and my understanding is that Durant played catcher at Ohio State. Go Bishops!

Kudos to Ralph Turner.

Here is to getting to baseball weather soon!

 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on January 12, 2006, 06:55:19 pm
NCAC/D3 Fans,
Very excited to see this new baseball link to D3sports.com.  I have followed the football posts since the 2002 season but was never a poster.  Now I have to get in the game since this is/was my sport.  I am 15 years and over 1,000 miles removed from C'ville and the NCAC so I mainly use this site to obtain inside news not provide it - but I'm sure I will have a few opinions now and then.
Can't wait for the season to get underway.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on January 17, 2006, 12:51:57 am
Here is to getting to baseball weather soon!

I don't know where you are but it's been baseball weather here in South Texas for about 3 weeks.

My law school alma mater is kicking off their season in 3 weeks!!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 21, 2006, 10:33:23 pm
Where are NCAC teams headed for early season baseball?  Wabash is breaking from their traditional Florida trip and opting instead for some cactus ball in Arizona to start their season. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 22, 2006, 12:12:11 am
Wooster plays in the Ft. Myers area during spring break; I gather this is a more-or-less permanent arrangement.  This season, the Scots are scheduled to play 17 games in Ft. Myers in 14 days (March 12-25), including four official conference games (vs. Oberlin). 

Scots' baseball schedule (http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/schedule.php)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on January 22, 2006, 12:25:09 am
Interesting site. You can see by where a MLB player went to school.

http://baseballreference.com/schools/
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 22, 2006, 02:17:55 am
Wooster plays in the "Gene Cusic Classic", as David said in Ft. Myers, which is a permanent event that brings together many DII and DIII teams over a six-week period.  Most schools go down for a period of about two weeks.  They have a website which shows this year's teams, but it appears to be down.  If I remember, I'll see if I can get a working link tomorrow.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 22, 2006, 10:21:50 am
Here's the link to the Gene Cusic Classic in Ft. Myers.  The link was operating this morning.  Denison, Hiram, Oberlin, and Wooster seem to be the four NCAC schools that will play ballgames down there.

http://www.leeparks.org/cusic/cusic.htm
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on January 22, 2006, 01:35:41 pm
Does anyone know what prompted the change of venue for the Wabash spring trip?  Does the fact that we have some Arizona-based players and the opportunity to tap into this rich baseball recruiting area play any role?

As a westerner, I always felt we should try a spring trip to Texas, Arizona or California.  The weather is usually better than Florida - warmer than the Atlantic Coast and drier than the Gulf Coast.  Trouble is matching up with other DIII programs.

I was always envious of Wooster's 2 week spring trip.  Wabash has never had more than 1 week and typically 6-7 games in the sunshine state.  Just one of many reasons Wooster's program is one of the elite.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2006, 07:38:52 pm
Bash, you post about "Spring Training" in Texas or California is interesting.

The ASC begins in-division play on March 10th-11th with the 3-game series.  Marietta and Neb. Wesleyan are playing at McMurry on Mar 14th and Mar 15th.

There are excellent teams down here.  The ASC has 16 teams.  The SCAC-West has 5 more. Independent UDallas is always looking for games. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 23, 2006, 10:23:28 am
Wabash had been traveling down to Ft. Meyers for the Cusic Classic for the last I don't know how many years.  They usually stop along the way for a doubleheader at places like Oglethorpe, LaGrange, or any other school on the way down to Florida. 

I don't know the reason for going down to AZ this spring.  Maybe a change of pace...maybe to look into recruiting.  Who knows.  From what I can gather, this AZ invitational is run by the same people who run some of the FL spring invitationals and this is the invitational's first year.  I'm guessing the experience will be about the same as the Florida trips...just in a different locale. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kcreds on January 23, 2006, 01:24:16 pm
OWU is going to Port Charlotte, FL. They will play 2nd ranked Cortland State, 5th ranked Rowan, Wisconsin-Oshkosh, and 4 other teams. 11 games in 7 days, oh to be young and have that opportunity again. I really envy those guys. OWU, weather permitting, will open up with Ohio U. before they leave for FL. That game will be very interesting, especially depending upon who OU will pitch and how many.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WallyFS4 on January 23, 2006, 07:23:10 pm
Can't wait for the season to get here.  It's nice to see a site for the greatest game ever invented.  I rather be watching football, but nothing beats the National Pastime to play.  As always.

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS!
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Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on January 23, 2006, 09:33:08 pm
Ralph,

My post re: Texas/California trips for Wabash was not a knock on the ASC or SCIAC.  In fact more the opposite.  I'm not sure a Wabash team could match up very well with them that early in the season given the lack of outside practice time in January/February compared to the southern teams.  The beauty of the massive spring exodus to Florida of teams east of the Mississippi is that the snowbird teams can play each other down there - kind of evens the playing field.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on January 23, 2006, 10:46:22 pm
I think it's kind of refreshing that Wabash gets to Arizona. Actually, it's better - there's less chance of a rainout, so they could get more games in.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2006, 01:48:04 am
Ralph,

My post re: Texas/California trips for Wabash was not a knock on the ASC or SCIAC.  In fact more the opposite.  I'm not sure a Wabash team could match up very well with them that early in the season given the lack of outside practice time in January/February compared to the southern teams.  The beauty of the massive spring exodus to Florida of teams east of the Mississippi is that the snowbird teams can play each other down there - kind of evens the playing field.

Bash, I did not take it as a knock.  I realized that the Texas teams were into Division/Conference play and so they might not have their best pitching available.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WoosterFAN on January 25, 2006, 10:35:06 am
Some news on one of the new Wooster kids..I guess we have three to replace Yoder and the two seniors.

"Sheldon Steiner, from Dalton, Ohio, played first base, batted .331, and led the Larks in almost all offensive categories.
      He set a school record for career hits with 79. He played high school baseball at Central Christian High School in Kidron, Ohio, and will continue his career at The College of Wooster (Ohio).
      Steiner was named to the all-region team for the second consecutive year."
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 25, 2006, 10:53:16 am
Bash, you post about "Spring Training" in Texas or California is interesting.

The ASC begins in-division play on March 10th-11th with the 3-game series.  Marietta and Neb. Wesleyan are playing at McMurry on Mar 14th and Mar 15th.

There are excellent teams down here.  The ASC has 16 teams.  The SCAC-West has 5 more. Independent UDallas is always looking for games. 

Ralph--The SCAC homepage doesn't have the 2006 baseball schedule posted but on the Millsaps page it shows that they open conference play by hosting Hendrix on Feb. 18 & 19, and the next weekend Millsaps will be at Trinity for a big series.  It nice that these southern teams have the opportunity to play so early but the SCAC also plays their league tournament early and the winner has a long wait before playing an opening round game in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2006, 12:44:26 pm
Some news on one of the new Wooster kids..I guess we have three to replace Yoder and the two seniors.

"Sheldon Steiner, from Dalton, Ohio, played first base, batted .331, and led the Larks in almost all offensive categories.
      He set a school record for career hits with 79. He played high school baseball at Central Christian High School in Kidron, Ohio, and will continue his career at The College of Wooster (Ohio).
      Steiner was named to the all-region team for the second consecutive year."


But aren't the holes on the left side of the infield (2nd, short, 3rd?)  I wonder if this kid can play elsewhere on the diamond, or maybe move out to left and move Barone to the infield (a possibility suggested by Wooster Booster on another page?) 

By the way, who are the Larks?  Central Christian is the Crusaders, unless they've recently changed names (although Larks would be a good name change for them,) and Dalton is the Bulldogs.  Did this gentleman transfer from a JuCo, or are the Larks perhaps a summer-league team?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 25, 2006, 02:31:02 pm
By the way, who are the Larks? Central Christian is the Crusaders...

Central Christian did change names a few years ago, but not to the Larks.  They're now the Comets.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2006, 11:12:42 pm
I've answered my own question; the Larks are from Hesston College, a Mennonite JuCo in Hesston, KS, and a not-uncommon destination for students from eastern Wayne and Holmes Counties.  In fact, there were 3 Hesston Larks named to the first team Juco all-region last season, and all three were from Central Christian or Hiland High Schools. 

NJCAA All-Region VI First Team Includes Three Hesston College Baseball Players (http://www.hesston.edu/NEWSPORT/archives/2004Spring/040708baseball.htm)

I'm guessing that Sheldon Steiner played for Hesston for two years (he was on this all-region team both years), and will come in to Wooster's lineup as a junior.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 26, 2006, 12:05:51 am
I've heard of that school; some of my old volleyball girls considered going there, but I don't think that any did.  I didn't know that it was a JuCo, though; they didn't tell me that.

Ironic.  Wooster loses Ross Yoder, who would be a junior secondbaseman and is from Hiland high school in Holmes County, because he is transferring from the certainly more liberal and secular environment of Wooster to Mount Vernon Nazarene, a Christian school.

But then, here comes this Sheldon Steiner of Central Christian high school in Wayne County followed by a Mennonite JuCo, in Kansas no less, to play for Wooster and to balance out not only the baseball angle but the religious also.  You just never know.  :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2006, 01:11:38 am
MVNU is a pretty staid place (or at least it was, back in my day, but I bet it hasn't changed much), and certainly less "worldly" than Wooster, but it's also a place that fields some pretty darn good sports teams.  They have a splendid baseball tradition, including Tim Belcher, the #1 overall pick in the 1983 draft.  They're just off the bottom of the top 25 in the NAIA preseason poll (http://naia.collegesports.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/111605aaa.html). 

Most of the East Holmes Yoders are Mennonite (or Amish), and I don't know what relationship the Mennonites have to the Nazarenes.  But if I had to guess, I'd guess that Ross Yoder transferred more for baseball reasons than religious ones.  Maybe scholarship reasons as well.

MVNU is also participating in the Gene Cusic Classic, at the same time as Wooster (Mar. 16-25), but won't face the Scots.  They will play Ohio Wesleyan at home in March, and have a home-and-home scheduled with Capital for before and after the Ft. Myers trip. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2006, 01:33:21 am
From the Scots 2006 Baseball outlook (http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/outlook.php), regarding the holes at the 4-5-6 positions:

"The Scots may go from one end of the experience spectrum to the other, as leading candidates to take over their roles are newcomers Sheldon Steiner and John Quimby. Steiner, a third baseman, is actually a junior, coming to Wooster from Hesston (Kan.) College, while Quimby could start right away as a freshman shortstop.

There will be a third new starter in the infield, too, at second base. Junior Mike Barone is one option there or he could remain in left field, where he has started the last two seasons, if another player emerges such as Bubba O’Donnell or Brad Stuetzer, both sophomores. Either way, Barone will find his way into the lineup as a .319 career hitter, including .325 with eight homers and 37 RBI during 2005, which earned him second-team all-conference honors. O’Donnell, who could also be a factor at third base, is the team’s best defensive player, according to Pettorini, and Stuetzer has taken great strides offensively and is sure-handed, too."
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 26, 2006, 01:38:42 am
It certainly could be a baseball reason, but I wonder.  Yoder probably had the second base job locked up for the next two seasons on what is always a very good team.  (Not that Mt. Vernon isn't, of course.)

Maybe it is money, as Wooster is pricey and most of the NAIA schools in the area are much less costly besides offering the possibility of scholarships.

It could also be the manner of coaching.  Tim Pettorini can really go off sometimes, and not all players are built to handle that, or feel that they need to.

Late addition: Uh oh. That 2006 Outlook is new.  Thanks!  I was just looking for that this morning and it wasn't there.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2006, 01:44:28 am
Have you ever noticed that your Steve Moore and my Woody Allen have adopted the same posture?  Do you think Steve Moore is wondering if there is a God?  Or is Woody thinking about how to come up with a big defensive stop on this possession?  :D
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on January 26, 2006, 08:40:58 am
I don't think Woody would bring the...intensity...as a coach, but Moore probably would be out of his league on the set. Perhaps.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 26, 2006, 10:31:18 am
I'm not sure about Steve Moore, but Woody may be pondering how to reclaim some lost love, ala Dobie Gillis and Thalia Meminger.

(http://arkski.com/~jwood/dobie6.jpg)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2006, 08:28:01 pm
 :D

Nice juxtaposition of photos; but Steve might not appreciate being compared to Dobie!  ;)

By the way, R.I.P. Maynard G. Krebs.  :(

Time to change my avatar, anyway, to something more appropriate to my post total (if only for a fleeting moment.)

Open the pod bay doors, HAL!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: seinfeld on January 27, 2006, 10:57:09 am
Ross Yoder won't be playing baseball for anyone anytime soon, unless its for the local jail softball team:

http://www.the-daily-record.com/article.php?pathToFile=/archive/01212006/news/&file=yoderFormerathletejailed.txt&article=1&tD=01212006
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 27, 2006, 09:40:27 pm
Holy cow!  :o  What goes on in East Holmes, anyway?  They had a sexually predatory elementary school music teacher recently convicted, too. 

I don't think he's going to be made very welcome at MVNU!  :-\
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2006, 10:21:42 pm
Like your new avatar better!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WoosterFAN on January 29, 2006, 11:24:49 am
Some info on Quimby since according to the Season Preview he might be starting.  It looks like he was at least a two season starter for North Allegheny HS near Pittsburg.  NAHS is in the largest division in PIAA and last year went 23-2 before losing in the state semi-finals to end of 23-3.  The previous year they reached the state quarterfinals.
   He was a Pittsburg Post-Gazette WPIAL All Star and a WPIAL Class AAAA Section 1 All-Star.  He led the team in HRs(6), triples(6) and RBIs(30) and battled .416 in 77 ABs.  This kid could be stud!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WoosterFAN on January 29, 2006, 11:35:14 am
Another newcomer: Anthony Trapuzzano:  WPIAL Baseball Coaches Association All Star for Class A (I guess the smallest in West. PA)  After the first round of the playoffs he was 5-0 with a 1.00 ERA and 72 strikeouts in 40 innings.  Another stud??
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WoosterFAN on January 29, 2006, 11:55:03 am
Last one I am going to research:  Oliver Enos: Three a perfect game (5 innings, mercy rule with 12 Ks and went 2-4 w/ HR..could not find much else on him except that he was best picture on best best small school team in Central VA.
Wow!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 29, 2006, 01:16:58 pm
Wow, I can't believe that about Yoder! 

Thanks for the info on those newbies WF.  They sound very promising and also like they could make an immediate impact to this team.  This weather here in Ohio has got me jonesing for spring and baseball.  Of course, this type of weather won't be anywhere to be found once Wooster's home schedule starts up! ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kcreds on January 29, 2006, 03:39:00 pm
When I think of D3 baseball in Ohio, I think of Marietta and Ohio Wesleyan. What has Wooster done in recent years to put their program on top of the National Hill? It appears they do an excellent job of recruiting. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 29, 2006, 04:04:44 pm
When I think of D3 baseball in Ohio, I think of Marietta and Ohio Wesleyan. What has Wooster done in recent years to put their program on top of the National Hill? It appears they do an excellent job of recruiting.

kcreds,  allow me to fill you in on a secret.  Wooster has been on the national scene in DIII baseball for quite some time.  Marietta and OWU both have storied and successful programs, but Wooster's history is arguably as storied and successful as those two programs as well.

Let's see, Wooster has played in the Small College World Series 4 times since 1989.  They were in the championship game in 1997 and finished 3rd there last year.  Coach Pettorini's winning percentage is only .713 over 24 seasons at the helm of the Scots program.  Wooster has won a record 10 NCAC tournament championships (which would be more than OWU).  Wooster has also qualified for the postseason 15 out of the 24 years that Pettorini has been head coach.  That is just a little of what Wooster has done in recent years to put their program at the top of the national hill.

Here is a link if you'd like to read up on just how far back the Wooster baseball tradition goes:

Wooster's Baseball History (http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/archives/history.php)

kcreds, if you read the link, I think you will find that Wooster baseball has been around a while and they have been very good for quite a while.  They have not just suddenly appeared on the national scene like you seem to suggest.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 29, 2006, 04:16:49 pm
Last one I am going to research: Oliver Enos: Three a perfect game (5 innings, mercy rule with 12 Ks and went 2-4 w/ HR..could not find much else on him except that he was best picture on best best small school team in Central VA.
Wow!!

Now I'm confused.  Oliver Enos is listed on the Wooster roster as a catcher/infielder.  In the "Outlook", it's mentioned that he might play some outfield if not behind the plate.  But now it turns out that he was a pitcher in high school, and a good one.  This guy sounds interesting, to say the least.

I've been assuming that Oliver is the younger brother of Reilly Enos, the Wooster pitcher of the last two years who is no longer on the roster, but is, I recall, also from Virginia.  Do you know if this is so, and what happened to Reilly?  He showed lots of promise two years ago as a freshman, but was mostly injured last season. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kcreds on January 29, 2006, 04:22:07 pm
ScotsFan: Wow, you must of really thought I was being offensive, that was not my intention. I have been around baseball in the southern part of Ohio for more years than I care to mention. I know how storied Marietta is and OWU but forgive my ignorance on Wooster's success. I didn't want to go to their website and read a lot about them. I just wanted the cliff notes version.  It appears to me from your comments that they have an excellent coach and he may very well be the reason for their success. I will do my part to better inform those that are just as ignorant as I in this area. Good luck to the Scotts this year. Go Bishops!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 29, 2006, 04:25:30 pm
My gosh, ScotsFan, it was a simple innocent question, not a personal attack on the integrity of the Wooster baseball program.  And I think it was a reasonable question, as well; even I think first of Marietta when I think of small college baseball in the midwest, and I went to Wooster! 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 29, 2006, 04:58:06 pm
The man asked a question which I found a bit odd.  It's not like Wooster hasn't crossed paths with Marietta and OWU on a regular basis.  I was just answering the man's question!  He asked what Wooster has done in recent years and I filled him in and also let him know that Wooster has been just as prominent as the 2 schools he brought up!  Like I said, I just found it kind of interesting that someone could be abreast of the success at Marietta and OWU, and not know Wooster has been in the mix with both of them for years.  That is where I was coming from.  Sorry I didn't give a more dignified answer to such an innocent little question as you might have done.  I just figured he wanted a little history lesson.  It seems he needed one from his question!   ???
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on January 29, 2006, 05:51:16 pm
Scotsfan - a little defensive, eh? Taking notes from the LG football posters??  :D

I thought the tone could have been more cordial and less confrontational.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kcreds on January 30, 2006, 11:03:37 am
ScotsFan and whoever wants to repond: I did a little research this time and discovered that since 2000 OWU and Wooster have 3 conference titles each. This will be the rubber match year. Does OWU have a chance? Is there another NCAC school that may have the talent to knock them out? Obviously Wooster is the favorite but give me some odds. I know it is early but we are already talking favorites for football next year so why not baseball now. I'm also curious of what you all think about how OWU will do with its new head coach?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 30, 2006, 11:47:09 am
kcreds,

To be honest, I haven't really looked into any other NCAC schools as far as who would be favorites in the conference.  I pretty much stick to basketball during the winter.  I know Denison has had a bit of a resurgance in the last couple of years, so I would probably throw them in the mix with Wooster and OWU.  Also, Allegheny seems to always be in the running with Wooster in the NCAC East division.  I think Kenyon is another team to keep an eye on.  They gave Wooster their only loss in the NCAC East last season.

I do think Wooster will be the clear cut favorite to take the NCAC this year.  Beyond that, I haven't really looked into the other contenders yet to see who could be up there with Wooster as the season unfolds.  Once the hoops season dies down, I'll follow it a little closer, but as for now, my focus is on the hardwood. ;)

Also, you mentioned a new coach at OWU.  I wasn't aware of a coaching change.  How do you feel about the new coach?  I know you said your son is going to be playing this spring.  What have you heard about him?  I would be interested in knowing what the expectations are down in Delaware for this coming spring as well.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 30, 2006, 12:02:53 pm
Yeah, OWU's long-time coach, Roger Ingles, has retired.  I wouldn't think that would have an immediate effect, but only time will tell if the program can remain at the same level with him gone.  I hope that it does, as the more competitive teams there are, the better for the conference overall.

One thing that I like more about NCAC baseball is that there is a little more balance than in basketball.  As Scotsfan mentioned, Allegheny always gives Wooster a tussle in the east, and with the recent rise of Denison in the west, that division has been interesting also.  I'm also hoping that Denison can remain tough, as they've lost their top player, Drew Shamrock, to graduation.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kcreds on January 30, 2006, 02:32:41 pm
Coach Ingles is now the athletic director for OWU. New Head Coach Tom Durant was an assistant to Coach Ingles.  Jr. really likes Coach Durant, probably because Jr. is a catcher and Coach Durant was a catcher for Ohio State. It is hard for me to say what kind of team they will have because as some can attest to, I am not that up on all the teams this year. I do know that they have a tough schedule out of the blocks and that might be an indicator. I am basically going to lean on you all for the inside information on all the teams.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: seinfeld on January 30, 2006, 04:32:15 pm
Drew Shamrock is using his last year of eligibility at the College of Charleston

http://www.cofcsports.com/content/?/sports/base/roster/base_bio_shamrock_drew

Ironically, that is the same school that Luke Ullman transferred to Wooster from.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 30, 2006, 05:26:27 pm
Well, I'll be doggoned.  I saw he wasn't on the Denison roster and just figured he'd graduated.  Weird that he's going to the same school that Ullman did.  Maybe he's the proverbial "player to be named later" that the NCAC owes to them for Ullman...  ;)

At least one Wooster high school athlete went there, too.  Joy Taylor, the point guard on the Wooster girls basketball team that went to state a few years ago went down there to play.  I'd never even heard of the school until then.  Now it seems to be connected via sort of an underground railroad to Ohio.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: seinfeld on January 31, 2006, 11:43:13 am
Here is my take on the NCAC this season.

I think this year more than ever, Wooster is well ahead of anyone in the Eastern Division. Allegheny was fairly average last year, and they lost several key players. I also heard that they don't have much new talent coming in this year. Hiram has a few decent players, but not nearly enough depth to steal any more than one game in a four-game series. Kenyon may be the second-best team in the East. They took a game from Wooster last year, and have some decent talent coming back. I actually look for them to pass Allegheny into second place this year.

The West is pretty wide open, but I guess you have to give the slight edge to Denison, because of their recent dominance. Losing Shamrock does hurt, however. Ohio Wesleyan will be in the mix, if for no other reason they didn't really graduate anyone. But they didn't even finish in the top two last season. Witt and Wabash aren't too far behind, and with a little luck, could sneak into the playoffs.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 01, 2006, 10:44:19 am
Seinfeld,

Your takes seem pretty reasonable to me.  I wasn't sure about how far Allegheny would drop off.  I know that their weekend series with Wooster last season was pretty competitive.  At least the first day.  The Gators should have won both games in the opening double header, only to see Wooster post late rallies in both games.  That probably took a bit of the wind out of 'Gheny's sails, as Wooster cruised through the double header the next day. 

I do tend to agree with you about Wooster being a pretty clear cut favorite at this point.  No one in the NCAC can match Wooster's pitching depth over a 4 game series.  That was pretty evident last season, and with Wooster's entire staff returning, I wouldn't look for things to change much.  That Allegheny series that I just touched on is a perfect examply of that.  'Gheny's top 2 starters were able to keep the Gators in the 1st 2 games, but Wooster's pitching depth really showed through in the last 2.  Most teams might have one or two pitchers that could matchup with Wooster's best, but few have the depth to go with Wooster over a four game tilt.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on February 02, 2006, 01:30:15 pm
Seinfeld & Scots Fan,

Thanks for the preseason assessment.  I agree that Wooster is the class of the NCAC - not just this year but every year really.  I always had the utmost respect for the Scots program even when I played 20 years ago and Wabash had nothing to do with the NCAC.  They were well coached, confident and talented year in and year out and a program I envied.  Thus I was surprised also by Kreds comment earlier on this board.

As for the west - Dennison has definitely come on of late.  My scouts in Indiana say it has a lot to do with the coach (a former Wooster player). OWU is always tough and Witt broke through last year to play in the conference tourney.  I was slightly surprised that you considered Wabash a player knocking on the door.  What did you base that comment on?  Since I did not see them play last year I can only go by boxscores, and I have not seen the Bash competitive in the win/loss column with the upper tier of the NCAC.  If you saw competitiveness on the field and not just in the standings I'd like to hear it.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: seinfeld on February 02, 2006, 01:55:09 pm
Wabash split four games with Wittenberg, played Denison close a couple of times, and even beat Wartburg, which went to the NCAA Div. III World Series last year.

I'm not saying they are great, but it just takes a good weekend against a Witt or OWU and you could sneak into the NCAC Tournament,
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: hut1 on February 02, 2006, 10:31:37 pm

How can you mention Wooster Baseball without mentioning the big man.  You can read about what Kurt accomplished his first two years at Wooster below.
This is from the website last year.




Kurt Kapferer
Junior
First Base/Pitcher
6'7" 260
Jefferson, Ohio
Jefferson Area
Left/Left

Named the Div. III preseason All-American at first base by Baseball America ... Is coming off a productive summer season, during which he hit .346 (18-for-54) with two doubles, two homers, and eight RBI in the Great Lakes Summer Collegiate League (wooden bat) ... Looks to be "more dominant" in the clean-up spot, according to the coaching staff, following last year's all-region performance ... Possesses tremendous power ... Voted a team captain ... 2004: Selected to the coaches' All-Mideast Region Second Team and to the All-North Coast Athletic Conference First Team ... Led the league in home runs with 16 - four more than any other player - which tied him for the third-best total for a season in school history ... Also finished second in the NCAC in RBI (58), and was among the top-10 in five other categories ... Ranked 18th in NCAA Div. III in home runs (0.34 per game) and 45th in RBI (1.23 per game) ... Posted a .331 batting average, to go with 42 runs scored, a .693 slugging percentage, 26 walks, 10 hit by pitches, and a .452 on-base percentage ... Belted 12 of his homers during an 18-game stretch (April 11-May 6) ... NCAC Tournament MVP after reaching safely in 13 of 19 plate appearances, going 6-for-12 with four walks and three hit by pitches ... Homered in the eighth inning against Ohio Wesleyan during game one of the NCAC semifinals to give Wooster a 4-3 win, and added another blast in the first inning of the championship series to set the tone versus Denison ... 2003: Received honorable mention on the All-NCAC Team, despite not being a full-time starter until April 18 ... Ended the season on a tear, hitting .436 (17-for-39) and homering four times over the last 12 games to up his final numbers to .388, five home runs, and 22 RBI ... Also had five doubles and was issued 16 walks en route to a .539 on-base percentage ... Went 6-for-9 with a double, homer, and six RBI to help Wooster to a four-game sweep over rival Allegheny on April 26-27 ... Combined to go 5-for-7 with six runs scored, five RBI, and a home run in each game of a doubleheader against Hiram on April 23 ... Prior to Wooster: Selected as the Northeastern Conference Player of the Year in both baseball and basketball during his senior seasons at Jefferson Area High School ... Was twice recognized all-county for his efforts on the diamond and received honorable mention on the All-Ohio Team in basketball as a junior ... Helped the Falcons to conference championships in baseball twice (2000, 2002) ... Lettered three times in each sport ... Personal: Born March 28, 1984 ... Son of Robert and Denise Kapferer ... Is a computer science major.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on February 02, 2006, 11:21:12 pm
In '03 Wabash went 10-6 in NCAC play with splits vs. #12 (at the time) OWU and Witt.  Dropping 3 out of 4 to Denison killed Wabash's chances of getting to the semis that year.  The last two seasons have been a little disappointing for Wabash as they've been unable to keep the '03 pace.  Last year Wabash was swept by both Denison and OWU, but played close in most of those games.  It's not unreasonable to think that if Wabash can turn around some of those close games that they could sneak into the top two in the west.  This season the Witt and Denison games will be at home for Wabash.  Hopefully that will be the little extra push they need to get into the NCAC postseason for the first time. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WoosterFAN on February 07, 2006, 05:21:40 pm
I do not think that I missed it.  Did we ever get an answer on what happened to Reilly Enos?  I am SWAGing that is his brother on the roster now.  What happened to Reilly?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: seinfeld on February 08, 2006, 08:19:52 am
Reilly is still at Wooster, but he has a bad shoulder, so I believe he just decided to sit out this year. I would say its 50/50 if he will pitch for Wooster again. Hopefully he will, as they could use his arm next year.

Watch out for Oliver. From what I hear, he is the real deal.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on February 08, 2006, 12:06:50 pm
I hope Reilly can make a comeback next season, as he impressed me from the word "Go".  When healthy, he throws pretty hard, but it was his hard breaking ball that was the real deal.  A sharp-breaking slider, or whatever it was, that dipped almost straight down.  I'd thought that he had the most upside on the whole staff.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 09, 2006, 10:30:17 am
If Reilly is back that just makes this staff all that much better!  What a bonus to have him available if in fact that is the case.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on February 11, 2006, 11:12:29 am
The baseball page has the 2006 returning player profiles up:

http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/profiles.php
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on February 11, 2006, 01:14:48 pm
Does Drew Shamrock have to sit out this year because he transferred?  Second of all did he go there as a Pitcher???  I always thought he was a lot better as an outfielder and didn't impress me as a Pitcher at all... (he was a lefty) but not with anything over-powering.

Does EC have a chance at winning a conference game this year it has been since the 2003 season...???  WOW.  Also can they change the East and the West... to the GOOD and the BAD

Think about it,
Wooster,ALL,Wittenberg,OWU,Denison  (Varsity)
Earlham,Oberlin,Kenyon,Hiram,*Wabash...(J.V.) not bad, but i'd put Denison above Wabash the last 4 or so Seasons

That would make those 4 games series more interesting.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on February 26, 2006, 07:58:20 pm
Wbash roster is up:

http://www.wabash.edu/sports/baseball/roster
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on February 27, 2006, 11:13:44 am
Baseball Team Split against Taylor this weekend down in Centre KY.  EC 1-1
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 05, 2006, 02:58:17 pm
Wooster opens their Ft. Myers, Florida trip with back to back doubleheaders, facing Albion on Sunday the 12th and Carroll on Monday the 13th.  Making it even tougher is the fact that the first DH is sort of a twi-nighter, with game one beginning at 4 PM.  The following day's twin bill starts at 10 in the morning.  So Wooster will be playing there first 4 games of the year within a 24 hour span.  That's not just tough on pitching, but tough on everybody.

I've been trying to get word from WKQT if they'll be broadcasting any Florida games, but they've not answered my emails.  I'm going to give them a call tomorrow, if I remember, which is iffy.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 05, 2006, 03:54:33 pm

I've been trying to get word from WKQT if they'll be broadcasting any Florida games, but they've not answered my emails.  I'm going to give them a call tomorrow, if I remember, which is iffy.


If I remember correctly, it seems as though the Florida games are broadcast on WKVX, am 960.  Don't hold me to that, but, if they are going to be broadcast, that would be my guess as to where they would be broadcast.  Hopefully the Scots can get off to a good start down in Florida to ease some of the sting from last night's heartbreaker on the hardwood.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on March 06, 2006, 02:17:44 pm
Looks like a good but tough schedule for the Scots this year with 4 games in Florida against ranked opponents (2 each vs Rowan and St. Thomas), plus a home game against Marietta and a home-and-home series with Otterbein when they get back to Ohio.  Wooster has a ton of home games scheduled this year.  Hopefully they get to play more than the 5 that they did last season!

Here's to another good season on the diamond for the Scots! 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on March 07, 2006, 10:19:53 am
Wabash is off to a good start in Arizona.  The LGs split with Rochester Tech on Sunday and pitched a pair of shutouts yesterday vs. Monmouth.  Freshman Andy Weeks tossed a two-hit, seven strikeout game in the nightcap. 

Billy King is off to a great start at the plate for Wabash...in four games he's 8-13, scored five runs, driven in 5 runs, and swiped two bases.  The homecoming trip for Billy is certainly treating him well. 

Wabash plays a pair today vs. Wartburg. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 07, 2006, 11:12:45 am

Wooster has a ton of home games scheduled this year.  Hopefully they get to play more than the 5 that they did last season!
 

You aren't mistaken about that!  I was just browsing the schedule and notice that they have a string of 15 home games in a row!  They finish the season with 15 of their last 19 games at home!

One thing I noticed that seemed a little strange is that they have the NCAC semi-finals scheduled to take part at Ohio Northern.  It seems kind of an odd site to hold NCAC tournament games at an OAC school?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 07, 2006, 02:18:24 pm
ScotsFan:
On the other hand, perhaps not.  Ohio Northern has hosted the NCAA Regionals for baseball on several occasions in past years.  They do have nice facilities for that, so perhaps that is why they were chosen.  Yet, you would think the NCAC would want to hold their own tournament at one of their own member's baseball facilities. ???
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on March 07, 2006, 03:42:23 pm
More on Wabash's Arizona trip....the two shutouts yesterday came against Monmouth, a team nationally recognized at 28 in the D-III preseason poll.  Today's games are against #3 Wartburg...so the competition is quite good for Wabash in Arizona. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on March 08, 2006, 12:06:09 am
Not quite so good for the LGs today.  Wabash dropped a pair to a formidable Wartburg team by scores of 7-3 and 18-6.  I wonder if pitching depth wasn't an issue for Wabash today (six games in three days). 

Wabash falls to 3-3 on the Arizona trip.  Wabash plays two vs. Coe College tomorrow. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 08, 2006, 07:50:50 pm
Wooster's schedule doesn't say that the NCAC semifinals are at Ohio Northern.  Those are two different items.

April 29-30: NCAC Tournament Semifinal Series (No location given as this is generally at the home field of the regular season division winner.)

May 3rd: at Ohio Northern (Just a regular season game, plopped in there between the league semifinals and finals.  My bet is that it eventually gets cancelled as these games usually do due to one team or the other having to makeup a league contest or just needing to rest their pitchers for the tournament.  Not sure why they schedule games at this time in the first place.)

May 4-5: NCAC Tournament Championship Series (at Springfield, Ohio) (This is starting to annoy me, that Wittenberg gets to host this year after year. Yes, it's a nice facility, but there are others, and Springfield is not centrally located. Plus, one team should not have home field advantage over and over.)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: zosobob on March 11, 2006, 11:19:26 pm
Things are looking good again this year, GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on March 12, 2006, 12:56:54 pm
Wabash concluded their Arizona trip with a pair of huge wins over Wisconsin Lutheran.  Wabash's final two games in Phoenix were cancelled by rain leaving Wabash with a 6-4 record for the trip.  Up next for Wabash is a single nine-inning contest at Depauw on Tuesday.  Wabash has lost 13 straight games to their archrivals...the last win for Wabash in the series was in 1999.  Needless to say, Wabash is way overdue in this series. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 12, 2006, 04:01:57 pm
The first pitch of Wooster's first game with Albion should be on the way right about now, weather permitting in Fort Myers.  Unfortunately, no radio broadcasts that I can find, so I'll just have stick with watching D1 hoops.  :-[
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on March 12, 2006, 11:25:44 pm
The Scots get off to a good start by beating Albion 6-0 and 16-1.  Another DH against Carroll on Monday.

Go Scots!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 14, 2006, 10:08:17 am
Wooster sweeps Carroll, 7-1 and 10-6, to go 4-0 on the season. After a needed day off today to allow the boys to work on their surfing skills, the Scots will take on the always tough (8-1) Profs of Rowan, whose only loss is to a DII school (and I use that term generously), Barry University, already 15-7 on the year.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on March 14, 2006, 01:33:27 pm
Wabash's game at Depauw today has been pushed back to tomorrow "due to weather." And so we wait....
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 14, 2006, 07:27:12 pm
Wooster looks like they've found a shortstop to take over if not replace Luke Ullman. Freshman John Quimby is 7-10 with 2 doubles in 3 games. Other position player newcomers off to good starts are Sheldon Steiner and Oliver Enos. And then there's pitcher Jeff (Double-A) Kaatz, who struck out the first three batters that he faced.

The Scots appear to have been saving Luke Katich for the big game against Rowan tomorrow.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 15, 2006, 05:58:30 pm
Wooster's game vs Rowan tonight will be webcast by WQKT, the local Wooster radio station.  Here's the link:

http://www.wooster.edu/interactive/
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 16, 2006, 12:09:29 am
Wooster dropped a ridiculous game to Rowan tonight.  I think the final was 18-15, but I'm already fuzzy on that and so was Ken Nemeth (the Scots broadcaster) during part of the game.

Luke Katich got shelled as did his successors.  Wooster didn't hit much until late, but got myriads of gift runs from wild Rowan pitchers.  (At one point, the Scots had the bases loaded and scored three successive runs on three successive wild pitches.  The Rowan pitcher then proceeded to hit the Wooster batter with his final pitch to him.) 

Neither team seemed to be able to play a lick of defense. The boxscore will be incredibly ugly when it arrives, and Wooster suddenly appears a lot less ready to occupy a spot on the national scene than they did just two days ago.  This game seemed much more like an Oberlin intrasquad affair than a ballgame between two high-ranking teams.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 16, 2006, 02:15:33 pm
Unlike Wooster's most recent game, Wabash drops a 1-0 defensive struggle to DePauw on Wed.
The LG's continue to come up short against upper tier competition, especially evident in our 7 year drought against the Dannies.
I think we get another crack at them at home next week. I'm remaining optimistic that we can break through and challenge the upper tier teams but pounding 30+ runs in a DH against a depleted Wisc. Lutheran team and following it up with a 9 inning shutout performance only 5 days later shows that numbers can be deceiving in DIII baseball.  I believe that the only accurate way to measure ourselves is against the perennial power schools and not by stats.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 16, 2006, 03:16:16 pm
I agree, there is a tremendous disparity in the competition in DIII baseball, maybe even moreso than in basketball.  Wooster invariably hits .360 or so as a team, but those numbers are tremendously inflated by the 6 or 8 games that they play each year against teams of the caliber of Oberlin.  Once the tournament starts, averages drop about 100 points.  The really good hitters, their Jake Franks, Matt Millers, Luke Ullmans, can hit quality pitching.  Some of the other guys begin to struggle, though.

One stat that's able to cross borders, though, is defense.  An error is an error, whether against a stiff or a contender.  And although I still haven't seen yesterday's boxscore, it seemed as if Wooster had a handful of them and that's not good.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 16, 2006, 03:37:08 pm
good post Wooster Booster. I agree 100%

Just for conversation sake however, I could argue that more errors will be committed against better competition for the following reasons:

1. pitchers will pitch more carefully to better hitters, sometimes leading to long counts which invariably lead to fielders being flat and more errors
2. better hitting teams put more runners on base, put more pressure on fielders by being on the move and can lead to errors.
(This is why I love the game so much. Change one variable just slightly and a cascade of new outcomes potentially appear)

I also believe these points can be merely excuses for poor defensive performances, but over the course of a season they tend to play out as true.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 16, 2006, 05:38:52 pm
This game seemed much more like an Oberlin intrasquad affair than a ballgame between two high-ranking teams.

One stat that's able to cross borders, though, is defense. An error is an error, whether against a stiff or a contender. And although I still haven't seen yesterday's boxscore, it seemed as if Wooster had a handful of them and that's not good.

You have to remember it's also the 1st week of the season.  This is basically still considered spring training for these guys.  Also, Wooster was playing in just their 5th game of the season as opposed to Rowan playing in their 10th.  If Wooster's fielding problems persist throughout the season, than there is reason for concern.  But in just the 5th game of the year, I'm not going to get excited about it just yet.  Like I said, it's basically still spring training right now.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 16, 2006, 05:56:08 pm
And to add to my previous thoughts, Rowan swept Wooster last year in Florida 3 straight games.  However, Wooster came back to dominate the Profs in last year's CWS.  I'd rather be winning at the end of the year than at the beginning.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 18, 2006, 06:02:27 pm
Wooster, now 7-1 and having scored 56 runs over their last three games, takes on Rowan in a rematch at 7 PM tonight.  Wooster's last game was a 26-0 romp over Bethel.  It will be interesting to see if they can reverse their fortune against Rowan, who handed them their only loss, 18-15.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 19, 2006, 11:32:29 am
Wooster avenged it's only loss of the season defeating #5 Rowan last night 8-7.  That's a little more of a respectable score than the rediculous 18-15 result in the 1st meeting between these two teams.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kcreds on March 20, 2006, 10:33:09 am
OWU had a successful Florida trip finishing 8-3. They beat 2nd ranked Cortland State 10-8 and lost to 5th ranked Rowan 4-5. The other two losses were to Wis.-Oshkosh but both were close games. OWU outscored their opponents 101-50. Wooster appears to have had a good trip and is a team with lots of support. I am looking forward to the Wooster match ups late in the season. Bring on the warm weather and good baseball. Go Bishops!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 20, 2006, 11:52:07 am
kkreds,

Thanks for the OWU updates.  The Bishops look like they had a good trip.  UW-Oshcosh was just outside of the top 30, so those weren't bad losses by any means.  Looks like OWU could just as easily be 11-0.  They had a good Florida trip nonetheless. 

Wooster still has another week down in sunny FLA.  They have a key double header this afternoon (actually starting in about 15 minutes) with #27 St. Thomas MN.  These will probably be Wooster's toughest games outside of their 2 games with Rowan so far this season.  The Tommies are currently 5-2 and are 5-0 so far on their Florida trip.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 20, 2006, 08:11:28 pm
Yeah, I would say OWU had a great start.  They beat Hope this weekend included in that record.  Looks like they will be the team to watch in your conference.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 20, 2006, 11:14:32 pm
Wooster split a doubleheader with St. Thomas, dropping the opener 7-2 but winning game two, 4-2.  The Scots are now 9-2.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 21, 2006, 12:31:50 pm
The Oberlin website, surprisingly because it's rarely up to date on results, reveals that the Yeoman are 3-0 on the season, having swept a series from Notre Dame of Ohio.  They now leave for Florida where they'll jump right into a four-game league series against Wooster.  Maybe, for a change, they'll make it interesting against the Scots, but I'm not counting on it.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on March 21, 2006, 04:29:22 pm
Wabash's game tomorrow vs. Depauw has been postponed.  No makeup date has been scheduled as of yet.  I'm not so sure it's a great idea to reschedule the game at this point.  With the conference season weekend four-gamers starting April 1, the only time to squeeze Depauw in would be in the middle of the week.  With the conference games stretching the pitching out so thin as it is, I have my doubts as to how smart it is for Wabash to try and work this one in (the best day would be sometime during the week between the Earlham and Witt series...Wabash usually handles Earlham pretty easily and could conceivably hold out one of their top starters for the Depauw game who could then be ready to go again on the Sunday of the Witt series).  We'll see what happens. 

Wabash is still scheduled to play host to Heidelberg this weekend, but I wouldn't bank on that series happening either right now. 

Gotta love midwest spring baseball weather! 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 22, 2006, 10:28:03 am
Wooster loses an ugly one yesterday to Sewanee 10-5.  The Tigers were only 5-9 on the season before beating Wooster yesterday and in their writeup, their coach described the win as, "...arguably the biggest win in Sewanee baseball history."  Wooster has now lost 2 out of their last 3 games and now faces New England College today.  So far this season, Wooster's pitching, which was supposed to be their strength, has let them down.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 25, 2006, 11:57:43 am
I have not heard any results from the Wooster-New England game on Wednesday, but Wooster did manage to sweep the 1st of two double-headers from Oberlin yesterday.  According to the Oberlin web-site, John Oliver pitched a no-hitter in a 6-0 win in game one.  And in game two, Wooster belted 4 homers en route to a 17-6 win.  The Scots finish up their Florida trip today with another double header with the Yeomen.  Wooster then has back to back home dates slated for next Wednesday and Thursday against B-WC and Musky respectively.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 25, 2006, 01:43:54 pm
Wooster won that game against New England College 15-1.  I'm looking forward to getting out there and seeing the games next Wednesday and Thursday, but it seems more like winter now than it did in January.  Gonna be ugly baseball watching weather.  And it'll probably be worse up in Meadville next weekend.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 27, 2006, 10:24:19 am
WB,

According to the forecast, it's looking like we could be in for some nice weather for the Scot's home opener on Wed.  Highs in the mid-50's  and partly cloudy and it gets even better on Thurs. with highs in the 60's  :o!!!

As for the weather in Meadville, I don't think  it really matters what time of year it is there.   Just one question, is it ever nice there??? ::)  ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 27, 2006, 01:27:28 pm
The forecast for Wednesday and Thursday has improved, and I'm really looking forward to getting out there.  As a matter of fact, it's nice enough today that I'm planning on checking out the Wooster High School opener at 4:30 PM against Cloverleaf.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 30, 2006, 09:35:47 pm
FYI:  Wabash College announces today that Coach Tom Flynn is resigning at the end of the season.  Asst. Coach Cory Stevens is named new head coach effective July 1.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 31, 2006, 04:23:26 pm
Wooster's last loss seems to have woken a sleeping giant.  Since that loss to Sewanee, Wooster has won 7 in a row and have outscored their opponents by an average of 13-2 per game over the win streak.  It looks like the pitching staff is really settling in as well.  Wooster's hurlers have only allowed one earned run over the past 2 games.  All 3 of BW's runs were unearned.  And Musky came into yesterday's game with Wooster averaging over 11 runs per game and Wooster held them to just one. 

Now its on to Meadville, or shoud I say Mudville.  The Gators are the closest thing to a rivavlry for the Scots in the NCAC east, but Wooster has dominated the series of late going 13-3 over the past 16 games against Allegheny.  The Gators struggled during their trip to the desert and are coming into this 4 game series with only a 3-10 record.  Still, the Scots can't afford to overlook the Gators this weekend.  It very easily could be a long weekend for the Gators.  They are only batting .220 as a team compared to Wooster's .380.  Also, opponents are only batting .249 against Wooster's pitching staff, which doesn't bode well for a team struggling to find offense.  I'd say the Scots should definately be thinking sweep, but anything less than taking 3 out of 4 would be a disappointment IMO.   
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 31, 2006, 05:31:05 pm
BASH6-4-3:

It appears that Wabash Baseball will be in good hands with Stevens as the new coach.  Continuity helps.  Just out of curiosity, though, what were the details as to Flynn's resignation?  You (or someone mentioned earlier) that he did so because his "family was moving to the San Francisco, CA area".  Did he take another coaching position there, or was it other family business reasons?  The Wabash athletic website including baseball doesn't give any details, at least none or any article that I could find.  Perhaps I was looking in the wrong area there.  Anyway, just curious and also to what your and other 'Basher's thoughts on all this are.  Thanks.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 31, 2006, 11:47:52 pm
former d3db:

My understanding is that Flynn is moving to the west coast for his wife's job.  No info on his future coaching situation.

As for the Stevens hiring I am excited that he may bring some new energy to the program and take it to the next level with the upper tier clubs in this conference.  People I have talked to are a little surprised an official search for a new coach did not take place but maybe our AD felt he had his man in C'ville all along.  It also has to be said that the current players definitely favored Stevens' promotion and the work being done for recruiting next year's freshman class was largely Steven's work - so the continuity card was definitely played.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 31, 2006, 11:55:07 pm
Kreds:

Are you still out there?  How are the Bishops looking?  Also, this Board needs a little non-Wooster/Wabash influence.

I was reading a post you made on the football board this week regarding your son's decision being a 2-sport athlete.  Sounds like his freshman year has been a learning experience and I inferred that he may be dropping baseball next season.  Has the jump from HS to college been larger in baseball than fball?  Or does he feel he needs to dedicate more time to football in order to get the playing time?  Just curious.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kcreds on April 01, 2006, 12:25:03 pm
BASH6-4-3:  OWU is playing well but had a setback against Otterbein. A team I wish the football team would play and start a rivalry with because they are so close. Jr. thought that he had a shot at playing right away because OWU had only a freshman catcher returning. He found out that once the team was set, he was on the outside looking in. He ended up 5th on the depth chart. By his comparison with the other catchers, all good by the way, he thought he would be 2nd or 3rd. My perspective is that he missed fall practice because of football and he came in behind. Coach Durant, former OSU catcher, changed Jr.'s catching style and as Jr. put it, he had to learn the position all over again. He has not been able to be with the team and has not received a uniform shirt. Obviously he is very disenchanted with baseball right now. It has, however, freed him up for spring football practice.  He has a legitimate shot at starting next year on defense so he is in fact going to focus all his attention on football and see how it goes. The football transition was easier for him but it also taught him a valuable lesson about effort. Time will tell and most posters probably have heard this story a thousand times so I apologize for making it 1001. Thanks for asking, it is therapuetic for me to post about it.   
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 01, 2006, 01:50:18 pm
kcreds:
Thanks for the update and insight.
1000th or 1001th time its always worth rephrasing, especially when its first hand knowledge.  Unlike some fball posters, I'm ok with the "Jr." stories.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kcreds on April 01, 2006, 03:16:17 pm
Thanks again Bash6-4-3, I love to read about other prospects too, especially in the offseason.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 01, 2006, 05:26:52 pm
BASH6-4-3:

Thanks for the follow-up.  Agree with the continuity factor and as you indicate, it appears Stevens earned it as well (in addition to the support of the players).
Also, speaks very well for Flynn that he supports his wife in such a tough family decision.  The roles were kind of reversed from what they usually are i.e. it's usually the wife sacrificing for her husband's coaching job.  I would expect that Flynn will eventually end up coaching somewhere out there. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 02, 2006, 10:36:42 am
Just a quick lament.

Year in and year out, the Wooster baseball program produces the same type of team.  Always very strong offensively and with good or excellent pitching.  The Scots are usually top ten or twenty in either or both of these categories.  No one could possibly complain about that.

However, unfortunately, season after season they are defensively flawed, no more effective than an average DIII team when playing in the field.  I don't know why this is, but it is so.  Maybe, when recruiting, they look at offense first, overlooking the prospect's glovework or hoping to be able to improve on it.  Maybe, also, so much time is given to hitting in practice that defense is barely touched on.

When you can hit like Wooster, you'll win a large percentage of games with your bats.  But there are also many games during the year, especially in the post-season when playing against better competition, when the offense isn't there.  That's when it's necessary to make both the big, and the routine, plays in the field.  And too often Wooster doesn't make them.

I don't have the numbers, but it's my impression over watching the last decade or so of seasons that their fielding percentage when defending against bunts is abyssmal.  Horrendous.  Fumbled balls and throws down the right-field line seem to almost equal the number of times that they make the play.  It happened again yesterday at Allegheny and will continue to do so unless they make a serious effort to work on this in practice.

I'm a Wooster fan, but it's disheartening to see them give away so many close games because their defense isn't nearly up to the level of the other aspects of their game.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 02, 2006, 11:18:35 am
Wooster Booster

Your lament is the crying card for almost all true American baseball fans these days.  Defensive skills have been overlooked at almost every level the past decade being replaced by the "3 run jack"  as the answer to winning games.  Our philosophy was exposed in the WBC this spring as Japan and Cuba played the more complete game.

Another opinion as a former shortstop is that you can work on defense all you want in practice but nothing beats the exposure of your defensive skills like a game.  D3 players are at a huge disadvantage here with a limited game schedule (we averaged 35 games a year at Wabash).  D1, D2, JUCO, NAIA all play 60 plus games and their defensive play greatly improves by May.
Finally, Wooster is at an even greater disadvantage as 20-25 of their games are blow out wins and thus defensive strategy (bunt defense in particular) doesn't get exposed.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on April 04, 2006, 06:56:26 am
I'm a Wooster fan, but it's disheartening to see them give away so many close games because their defense isn't nearly up to the level of the other aspects of their game.

I agree that the Scots need to field a better defensive team.  It is frustrating to watch a team lose games due to fielding miscues.  It should be noted, however, that the Scots have made 14 less errors than their opponents so far this year

On Saturday's loss to the Gators:  I wonder why managers feel the need to bring in their 'closer', when the starter has pitched 6 great innings?  Adam Samson had gone 6 innings giving up 1 earned run.  But they bring in Katich to pitch the seventh.  He promptly gives up a double and makes the crucial throwing error.  I've never been a fan of using the 'closer' just because its a save situation.

I hope to make it over to Otterbein (I live in Columbus) for the game this afternoon.  It will be brisk, but this will be one of my few chances to make a game this season.  Looks like a better option than catching a Reds or Tribe game - at least the Scots have better pitching!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 04, 2006, 11:23:39 am
I'll echo the sentiments of WB and derekpoe.  Wooster can't afford to be this sloppy in the field once postseason play begins.  They had 3 more errors in game one on Sunday, but luckily, it didn't cost them like it did in the nightcapper on Saturday.  All 3 runs that the Gators scored in their lone win over the Scots were unearned!  I sure hope they're doing a lot of fielding ground balls in practice.

As for bringing in Katich, I hope it wasn't just for the sake of bringing him in just to pick up a save in the stat column.  I'm hopeful that it was due more to the fact that Adam Samson was getting up there in his pitch count.  Although, the next day, Walt Samson pitched 7 shutout innings only to give way to Ryan Mullins after Wooster plated 3 runs in their half of the 8th.  It could be that Walt's pitch count was at his limit as well.  Mullins was able to work a 1-2-3 8th to pick up the save though.  Mullins also only faced the minimum over the last two innings in game 2 on Sunday to pick up save #2 on the day.  To me, he seems like more of the Scot's #1 closer than does Katich at this time.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 04, 2006, 02:47:00 pm
I'm not at all a fan of the way managers, almost across the board, use the back end of their bullpens these days.  It used to be that relievers came in because the starter, or whoever was in the game, was either struggling or appeared tired.  Now, managers (and the pitchers, too, in the major leagues at least) want the roles so defined.  Closers are brought in to pitch the last inning, period, irregardless of the situation.

I'm fine about bringing in a new guy to pitch the last inning if the prior pitcher was getting hit or beginning to look tired.  But if he's been successful, retiring the opposition in order or maybe allowing a single baserunner in the last inning, I'm sticking with him.  Because every time you bring a new pitcher into the game you're opening up a can of worms.  No matter how good he may be, you never know what he'll bring to the mound that day.

This strategy has evolved over time, and I'm convinced that it's a copycat strategy.  A few successful managers in the bigs began using their closers this way and everybody jumped on the bandwagon.  Now, no one wants to go against this new "book", because if they fail, they'll be heavily second-guessed.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 07, 2006, 05:35:22 pm
Wooster has had their way with the OAC so far this season improving to 5-0 against that other conference with a 7-4 win over JCU yesterday.  Now it's on to a pivotal 4 game series against the nationally ranked Kenyon Lords (and no that's not a typo :o).  Can anyone think of the last time that Kenyon was ranked ahead of both OWU and Allegheny from the NCAC??? 

The times they are a chaaaangin'..
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on April 09, 2006, 07:36:52 pm
The Scots sweep 4 from Kenyon this weekend, giving them a 2-game lead (over Allegheny) with 4 games left to play (against Hiram).  Looks like they are all but a lock to repeat as champs of the NCAC East Division.

With the 14 HBP the Scots accumulated this weekend, they now have been hit 65 times in 29 games!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 10, 2006, 09:18:13 am
With the 14 HBP the Scots accumulated this weekend, they now have been hit 65 times in 29 games!

Which brings me to this.  Brandon Boesiger is simply amazing, and has become my favorite Scots player.  In what I believe is 87 plate appearances (had to add a few numbers to get that), he's now been hit by 17 pitches. That's a .195 HBP average!  He's hitting .407 with some pop and has an unbelievable .581 OBP.  Plus, he's a very good defensive catcher who can run; 4-4 in the stolen base department.  If I'm managing that team, he's hitting first or second, not down in the order.

Dang, it was cold out there Saturday!  Anybody who was out there for that doubleheader should have received the College of Wooster's version of the old Croix de Candlestick, a little orange pin that the Giants used to give out to those who made it through an extra-innings night game at The Stick.

This home stand is incredible.  Two more good opponents this week, Otterbein and Marietta, before yet another doubleheader Friday and Saturday.  Then more good baseball next week!  I love it!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on April 10, 2006, 10:01:16 am
This home stand is incredible. Two more good opponents this week, Otterbein and Marietta, before yet another doubleheader Friday and Saturday. Then more good baseball next week! I love it!

I wish that I was able to make it up for more games, but its just not working out this year. 
Does anyone know how the semi-final series works?  Best of 3?  I was thinking of coming up for the Rebounders Golf Outing on the 29th, but maybe I'll just come up for the baseball games instead.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 10, 2006, 10:24:20 am
I believe that you're right, the semifinals are best of three, at the home field of the divisional champion.  That would be Saturday and Sunday, April 29th and 30th.  I can't remember if they play 2 games on Saturday and the "if necessary" game on Sunday, or if they play only one on Saturday, and one or two on Sunday, depending.

Then the finals are down at Wittenberg.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 10, 2006, 12:31:50 pm
There's a good race going on out in the west. The standings right now, along with the remaining NCAC West opponents:

Wabash 6-2 (@OWU, Denison)
OWU 9-3 (Wabash)
Witt 6-6 (Earlham)
Denison 3-5 (Earham, @Wabash)
Earlham 0-8 (Witt, Denison)

Wabash is in decent position to make the NCAC tournament for the first time.  A split with OWU would be huge this weekend and take a ton of pressure off of the Denison series to wrap up conference play. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 11, 2006, 09:27:24 pm
Well, my hat is off to the College of Wooster.  Today, post-game, they came across a way to improve their fielding.  Not by hanging around on the field for some much-needed glovework, but by altering the boxscore of today's game against Otterbein.

Wooster made 7 errors in this contest, in which they worked hard at blowing a 12-0 lead, only to fail in that endeavour and gather in the ugliest of wins by a score of 13-9. These errors were official, accumulated one-by-one although occasionally in bunches, and were up there for all to see on the scoreboard, the only one in the town of Wooster that actually works.

But lo and behold, the boxscore now posted at the Wooster website shows five errors for Wooster, two of today's miscues miraculously disappearing in the span of a few short hours. Congratulations, Wooster, on learning how to cook the books, 21st-century corporate style.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 13, 2006, 10:12:01 am

Wooster made 7 errors in this contest, in which they worked hard at blowing a 12-0 lead, only to fail in that endeavour and gather in the ugliest of wins by a score of 13-9. These errors were official, accumulated one-by-one although occasionally in bunches, and were up there for all to see on the scoreboard, the only one in the town of Wooster that actually works.

But lo and behold, the boxscore now posted at the Wooster website shows five errors for Wooster, two of today's miscues miraculously disappearing in the span of a few short hours. Congratulations, Wooster, on learning how to cook the books, 21st-century corporate style.

That's pretty funny.  The Daily Record had them down for six errors that led to five unearned runs.   ::)  Who are we supposed to believe??? ??? :o  :D

One thing I have heard Coach Pettorini say about hitting is that it is contageous.  Judging from the Scots poor defensive efforts, I guess you could say that poor fielding is contageous as well.

Lastly, has anyone heard why the Marietta game was nixed yesterday?  This was the one game I was really looking forward to seeing, and they go and postpone it. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 13, 2006, 10:36:26 am
It was cancelled due to the fear of inclement weather (one of the players told me that after I walked down to the field yesterday) which really failed to materialize except for high winds.  I don't know this, but I'm suspecting it was Marietta that cancelled, especially since Wooster was out there practicing.  Maybe they had strong rain down there.

Now Joe Vardon reveals in the Daily Record that even if the Marietta game is off the schedule for good, which it almost certainly will be since there's virtually no room to stick it in, that Wooster has one too many games scheduled during the regular season.  Apparently you're only allowed 40.  Wooster has played 30 and has eleven left on its slate.  It seems like they'll have to cancel one.  I'm hoping they choose the road game at Ohio Northern.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 13, 2006, 12:28:56 pm
Playing that ONU game really doesn't make much sense anyways.  Why would you want to play a road game the day before the NCAC championship series, assuming the Scots weren't upset in the semis?  That game seems like the logical one to cancel.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 13, 2006, 03:53:17 pm
...Wooster has one too many games scheduled during the regular season.  Apparently you're only allowed 40.  Wooster has played 30 and has eleven left on its slate. 

I guess this begs the question...why schedule more games than you can play?  Is this like overselling seats on an airplane?  Does ONU get a free upgrade when they play Wooster next season? 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on April 13, 2006, 04:39:56 pm
...Wooster has one too many games scheduled during the regular season.  Apparently you're only allowed 40.  Wooster has played 30 and has eleven left on its slate. 

I guess this begs the question...why schedule more games than you can play?  Is this like overselling seats on an airplane?  Does ONU get a free upgrade when they play Wooster next season? 

This being Ohio, I think that its usually a pretty safe bet that you'd have a rainout or two over the course of the season, and the mid-week rainouts are rarely made up.  I would bet that the schedule was made with a particular game (such as ONU) that could be cancelled in the event that there weren't any rainouts.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 14, 2006, 09:53:09 am
Can other teams do this?  Schedule as many games as they want and then pick and choose which games they actually play?  Is this is a common practice?

I guess it seems to me to make more sense to leave some room in the schedule to make up those mid-week rainouts (for instance instead of scheduling ONU, use that day as an open day to be used as a makeup date if necessary). 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 14, 2006, 10:18:17 am
WB, in regards to the cancellation of the Marietta game, I don't think the weather had anything to do with it.  It seems that the NCAC is partially to blame for the cancellation and here is an explaination from yesterday's paper:

Quote from: Joe Vardon of The Wooster Daily Record
The threat of inclement weather caused the two teams to originally reschedule the game for today, but an NCAC rule regarding the number of game dates between a Monday and Friday in any given week forced the game to be wiped off the schedule.

The league rule states that no team shall play on more than two dates between Monday and Friday. Wooster played and defeated Otterbein 13-9 on Tuesday and has the first of two NCAC doubleheaders against Hiram set for Friday.

Noticing the scheduling error and fearing any possible league sanctions, Scots athletic director Keith Beckett urged coach Tim Pettorini to cancel the game.

The article went on to say that an NCAC spokesperson said there were no penalties for scheduling violations, but Beckett didn't want to set a bad precedence of, "sneaking around the rules."  So basically, we can blame Coach Petorinni for the scheduling goof and now, the probability of these two rivals hooking up will have to wait for the post-season or next season...
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: hut1 on April 14, 2006, 03:09:43 pm
Not much mention on here that I can see...But last week Wooster Senior Kurt Kapferer broke the school career record for HRs with his 43rd...congrats big Kurt
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 16, 2006, 09:22:53 am
Wooster swept four games against Hiram, although they had to come from behind three times in game three.

The story of the series, though, was the play of the two third-base line balldudes.  Friday's games saw Wooster point guard Kyle Witucky tasked with the job, Kyle obviously being punished for some unknown discretion against the athletic department.  Why else would a player of his stature be subjected to nearly six hours of watching Hiram baseball?  ;) 

Witucky, however, took to it with the same ready-to-play attitude that he brought to the basketball court, wearing his mitt for the whole doubleheader, hoping to get to snag a few ground balls.  Amazingly, nothing was hit his way except a high popup that was almost right to him.  He showed admirable restraint in not stepping forward to make the catch, allowing the Hiram third baseman to display some fine hustle himself in a failed effort at a sliding grab.

Handling the job on Saturday was Wooster basketball student assistant (and excellent JV player) Jeff Clapacs.  Clapacs, luckier than Witucky, fielded a handful of chances, some difficult, without error.  He looked so smooth, I was actually hoping that Coach Pettorini would unveil an extra uniform from some hidden nook in the dugout, have him suit up, and send him into the game.

I still think catcher Brandon Boesiger should be moved to the top of the lineup.  I mean, the guy's hitting .408, his on base percentage is a ridiculous .587 and he's one of the best baserunners on the team.

Boesiger, C
Swearingen, CF
Steiner, 1B
Kapferer, DH
Quimby, SS
Romick, RF
Enos, 3B
Barone, 2B
Karpen, LF   
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 17, 2006, 03:31:34 pm
In the West, Wabash got carved up like Easter ham over in Delaware.  OWU pounded Wabash all weekend long to sweep the LGs and claim the NCAC West title and a berth in the conference tournament.  The second spot is up for grabs.  The standings for 2-4 in the conference look as such:

Denison 6-5
Wabash 6-6
Witt 6-6

Denison is at Wabash this weekend for four games while Witt is at Earlham.  Let's assume Witt sweeps Earlham (Earlham has lost all 11 of their NCAC games by a grand total of 146-34....yeeouch).  Witt's going to end up 10-6.  That means that Denison or Wabash will have to sweep the weekend series to have a chance.  Denison is definitely in if they sweep Wabash (10-5 beats 10-6...one of Denison's games vs. Earlham was rained out and won't be made up).  A Wabash sweep puts Wabash and Witt tied at 10-6 and since the two split their regular season series, your guess is as good as mine as to who gets to move on to the conference semis. 

If Wabash could have won j ust one game in Delaware...oh well.  It's looking right now like the most likely scenario is going to be Wabash and Denison knocking each other out and Witt will slide into the semis where they'll take their Scot-administered beating. 

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on April 17, 2006, 04:33:43 pm
Wally- I can't wait until the day i can take my head from between my legs as an EC Baseball grad./Fan.  It is amazing how bad they are, with the field that they have.  Out Scored  146-34... THAT is AMAZING.  Hmmmm wonder why Earlham has been sooo bad over the last 6 years... Can anyone take a guess????
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 17, 2006, 08:57:53 pm
I don't know, EA. I don't know what's up with Wabash either. This has been a pretty good year, by our standards, but I wish we could be more competitive in the league.

Do any Wallies out there have any ideas as to why? Personally, I think it's the field. Unless Mud Hollow has been revamped since I graduated in 1999 the place is kind of a pit. There isn't any seating along the lines unless you count the Lambda Chi couch. With how nice the rest of our facilities are it's a bit surprising what our baseball field is like.

I can't say I know much about what other D3 schools have other than Depauw's (nice), Trinity's (pretty nice) and Southwestern's (really nice).

Anyone else? Am I wrong? Is there something else?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 17, 2006, 09:01:56 pm
I'm sorry to hear that Wabash dropped the whole series.  I knew that they had lost the first two...  I'll be rooting for either a Wabash or Denison sweep then.  Anything is better than having Wittenberg come to Wooster for a weekend.  Bad enough that we have to go down there if we make it to the conference finals whether they're in it or not.

Meanwhile, Wooster's schedule has again been retooled.  The Tuesday game against Denison that had been cancelled is back on again at 4 PM. Heidelberg is still set for Wednesday at 4 PM.  But, the two doubleheaders against OWU, home on Saturday and there on Sunday, have now been reduced to single games.  Go figure.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on April 17, 2006, 11:22:37 pm
Lil' Giant-  I'd say Wabash has a typical D-3 Baseball Field.  (i assume it is the same one from 3 years ago)  Earlham plays on the nicest field and stadium in the NCAC East hands down.  Also I can't think of one field that in my four years of baseball that was nicer the EC's home field.  I'd say it was even better than D1 Butler home field.  McBride was the home of the Richmond Rooster's (a Frontier league.)  Earlham, and Richmond High School.  Now that the Rooster's left, it is just the home of the EC and RHS.  As a Colts fan, Bob and Tom had a song called LORD help our colts... I will now sing Lord help our Quakers... hopefully we can get a win either tomorrow Vs Denison or this weekend Vs Wittenberg.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 17, 2006, 11:55:26 pm
EA -
Thanks for sounding in.  I'm curious as to how the Quakes were in your era because as documented they are not competitive now and they were not competitive when I played ('86-89).  My only memory of Richmond (other than padding my stats) was showing up on campus about 2 hours before gametime (around 11 am) and having about 20 hippies sleeeping in the outfield - sleeping bags, tents, funny looking cigarettes.  Hard to build a winning baseball tradition around that.

LG, Wally--
I'm sorry to be negative but this is the forum I choose.  I was skeptical going into the season that we could not compete with the upper tier teams in the conference and the butt kicking we received by a very good OWU bore that out.  Fact is this team is going to put up record offensive numbers but have struggled to score runs against quality No. 1 pitchers (Witt, Heidelberg, OWU, DePauw) and we can't slow down the bats of good teams.
As for Wabash's mediocracy it's really about administrative committment.  The embarrassment of a field is just a symptom of the bigger problem of lack of importance baseball plays compared to other sports - namely football.  The goal for baseball has been be ok, don't embarass the school.  Basically the goal is to be .500.  When that is surpassed (roughly every 5-10 years ) it is because of very good talent on the field.
The solution will have to be multidimensional.  Better recruiting - especially in Indiana.  The Flynn regime has seen DePauw, Rose Hulman, Franklin and Manchester all pass us in baseball success. Usually better players equal better teams.   Secondly, better tradition & support is needed from alums, administration especially the AD to upgrade facilities but also Admissions and student support.  Lastly, player commitment for upper tier success needs to happen.  Certainly this has come a long way from the mid-80's when Wabash Baseball was slightly more than a glorified club sport but it's still light years away from the type of commitment extended by the Wabash football players.  In short there is a price for excellence.  My hope is that the coaching change at season's end will spark these needed changes.  I'm not  bashing on Tom Flynn here either, I think Wabash is different from Wooster (his training ground) in regards to baseball.  You have to build something before you try to plug in the Wooster formula and Flynn just didn't quite build a foundation (nor receive the support) that competes with the Woosters and OWU's.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 18, 2006, 09:57:49 am
No need to apologize, 6-4-3...we should be doing better.  I'm not so upset about lower scoring games vs. a team's #1 starter.  Those kids are #1 starters for a reason.  But we do need to get better.  The whole program needs to do better and you've done a good job of identifying the key areas of concern.  It's a little sad to me that Wabash revamped, replaced, or rebuilt nearly all of their athletic facilities during the most recent capital campaign, but the baseball field got bubkus.  Wabash badly needs a baseball-only facility.  Wabash badly needs to fix the revolving door at the head coach's office. 

Honstly, I think Wabash baseball has gotten better recently.  When we moved into the NCAC, we moved into a very strong baseball conference.  We're slowly closing the gap, but I think it's high time that the major obstacles we've identified here get addressed if we're going to get much closer to the top. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 18, 2006, 01:14:37 pm
6-4-3,

You don't have to apologize. It's not like we're painting an inaccurate picture here. We're being honest. If our hoops or football teams had performance like this no one would accept it. Why it is accepted for baseball is beyond me.

I don't intend to disrespect the guys on the team, I think they are doing their best. But I think baseball is getting short shrift from the top down. As you say, in terms of "administrative committment". Unfortunately, regardless of the coaching change I don't see that being improved upon. Football and hoops are always going to be the top dogs in our athletic department.

Of course, it might help if Wally were to drop a couple of million on a new field.  :D
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on April 19, 2006, 10:49:21 am
BASH6-4-3-     To be brutally honest with you not much better than they are now. 

I went to Earlham to play basketball for Coach Justus, and I also had a chance to play baseball and to play at McBride.  Baseball was my better sport, basketball was my true love. (ahhhhh)  ;)   I knew both had a reputation of finishing in the bottom of league year after year.  As NCAC basketball fans know that is no longer the case with the basketball team.... now that is still the case for baseball.  From 1999 to current the head coach of EC has won 9 games out of 107 in NCAC action.  Stats should never look that bad in baseball!   Actually my Soph. Year after starting 3-3 we lost 24 straight games.  I am wondering if that is some sort of NCAA record at any level! (does anyone know where you could look that one up at??) Needless to say it was hard to focus on team goals when I played. (having individual goals got me through those 4 years)  not trying to be selfish.  I would just like to see them compete with the NCAC.   
On a good note they won 2 games Vs Bluffton last night! 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 19, 2006, 11:58:53 am
The latest Div. III Baseball Poll (http://ttp://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll41806.pdf) was released yesterday and Wooster is #1 once again having gone 12-0 now since the last poll released on April 3rd.  Wooster is leading the nation in team batting average (.374) and they are 23rd in team ERA (3.28).  Kenyon was 2nd in the nation in batting average (.373) and OWU was 7th (.365).  Wooster is also 7th in the country in Runs per game at 10.3 rpg.  OWU was 13th at 9.4 rpg and Kenyon was 25th at 8.6 rpg.

Wooster frosh John Quimby should be a lock for Newcomer of the Year in the NCAC.  He is currently 2nd on the team in batting average at .448 and tied for the team lead with slugger Kurt Kapferer in RBI's with 43.  With those kinds of stats, he's making a bid for National Freshman of the year following Pat Christensen nabbing that honor last season. 

Speaking of Christensen, has anyone heard anything on the status of his shoulder injury?  I believe he injured the shoulder towards the end of the Florida trip, and, at the time I thought they said he would be out for a week to 10 days.  I was listening to the radio broadcast of yesterday's game and they mentioned something about the injury, but had no idea how severe the injury was or when he would return this season, if at all.  Seems kind of odd for there to be no info on one of the Scots' best players.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 19, 2006, 01:23:13 pm
The latest Div. III Baseball Poll (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll41806.pdf) was released yesterday [...]

I have corrected the link in the above-quoted passage. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 19, 2006, 10:12:21 pm
Speaking of Christensen, has anyone heard anything on the status of his shoulder injury?  I believe he injured the shoulder towards the end of the Florida trip, and, at the time I thought they said he would be out for a week to 10 days.  I was listening to the radio broadcast of yesterday's game and they mentioned something about the injury, but had no idea how severe the injury was or when he would return this season, if at all.  Seems kind of odd for there to be no info on one of the Scots' best players.

I think it was about a week ago that I heard them say on the radio that it was a partially dislocated shoulder.  I don't even know what that means, although I've heard the term before.  It seems to me that your shoulder is either dislocated or not.  At any rate, they didn't give any time frame, but did mention that he was expected to be able to swing a bat before he'd be able to play in the field, I assume due to throwing.  As good as he is at the plate, unfortunately it's in the field where they need him the most.

MVP Brandon Boesiger today: HBP, HBP, single, double.  Current BA, .423. Current OBP, .593.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 20, 2006, 11:04:27 am

As good as he is at the plate, unfortunately it's in the field where they need him the most.


Good point WB.  As well as the Scots are swinging the bats right now, Christensen is missed more now for his glove than his bat, although having another power hitter in the lineup wouldn't hurt by any means. 

You mentioned that Christensen would be available to bat before he would be able to platoon the outfield.  I would assume that he would take over as pretty much a full-time DH if and when he is healthy enough to return and Kapferer would be at 1st everyday.  Something he hasn't done since the weekend series against Allegheny.  Kapferer has been the Scot's DH for 14 games in a row and counting.


MVP Brandon Boesiger today: HBP, HBP, single, double. Current BA, .423. Current OBP, .593.

Are you talking team or conference MVP?  That OBP percentage is unreal.  His current HBP count is up to 22 on the season which is only one off the record he set last season!  Looks like that record will be shattered considering the Scots still have 4 regular season games left and, what should be a slew of post-season games as well.

Still, my vote has to go to the big guy, Kurt Kapferer.  He's riding a 22 game hitting streak, he broke the record for career home runs, and still has an outside shot at setting the single season home run mark.  He's only 2 off his season best and he's batting nearly .400 to boot.  Not to mention that he is the team and conference leader in home runs and RBI's (he's also leading the nation in home runs).  My vote would go to the Big Kurt.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 20, 2006, 11:27:54 am
It would create quite a dilemna if it does turn out that Christensen can hit but can't play the field.  Steiner is doing an excellent job at first base and I can't imagine him being removed from the lineup.  I'd guess that Christensen would be limited to pinch-hitting duty at least for a while.  We'll just have to see how it plays out, but I sure hope he's available asap.

For Boesiger, I was thinking team MVP not league.  I'm really not up on how individuals on other teams are doing so it wouldn't be fair to speculate on that.  As far as Boesiger beating out Kapferer (or Oliver, or anyone else) I think it's a very close call, but he'd still be my choice.  Remember, he's also an excellent defensive catcher.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 20, 2006, 11:37:43 am
Wooster guys -

22 HBP in a single season and counting for 1 player?  That's old school!
This is such a lost art in baseball.  It's right there with the walk as the ultimate rally starter - especially against a very dominating pitcher.  My American Legion coach taught the practice and I became pretty good at it whenever I lead off an inning and we were trailing.  But in 2006 this is almost unheard of.  Don Baylor would be proud.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 20, 2006, 12:28:19 pm
BASH -

You'd like this guy.  He's a righthanded hitter who indeed has mastered the art.  Instead of leaning off an inside pitch, he sort of twists to the right, towards the catcher.  It gives the impression that he's avoiding the pitch, but he's really just getting his left shoulder into the way.  Out of the 22 HBP, I'll bet 15 or more have hit him in the same spot, the left upper back. 

He's never flinched once until yesterday when he did a double-take after the second HBP.  The radio said they thought he got hit in the kidney, but I thought it probably caught him right on the shoulder blade.  After that shot, I guess he'd had enough of getting hit, so he singled and doubled in his final two at bats.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 20, 2006, 12:45:58 pm
Coach Petorinni refers to Boesiger as a walking bruise. ;)  He said that he doesn't encourage him to get hit, but also that he can't stop him from doing it.  Besides, as Bash said, it's a lost art of the game and it is also a great asset to a team to have someone like Boesiger taking all those shots to get rallies started.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 20, 2006, 03:13:03 pm
Got to watch for those kidney shots.
We used to have a pretty decent rivalry with Marian College in Indy (got into a couple bench clearing episodes).  Anyways, I took one out on these guys in the 1st inning.  Next at bat I got drilled right in the left lat - definite pay back pitch.  Thing spasmed up so bad I could barely breath let alone throw a ball.  Definitely want to take it off the fleshy part of the shoulder.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 20, 2006, 03:36:41 pm
WB, Scots Fan

You're right I would love Boesiger's game.  Makes me think of all the major league guys who were not afraid to do the little things to help their team win.  This list is off the top of my head so I'm sure I've forgotten a few.

1st base - Pete Rose - aka Charley Hustle
2nd - Craig Biggio
ss - Walt Weiss
3rd - Pepper Martin - St. Louis Gas House Gang 1930's
RF - Brian Giles - Padres.  Dude took out the catcher in Colorado the other night to break up a DP - Got called for interference - Good baseball
CF - Lenny Dykstra - "Nails"
LF - Don Baylor for the aformentioned HBP record
C - They're all tough.  Anyone who puts on the gear for an inning has my respect.

Any others?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 20, 2006, 03:44:14 pm
LF - Don Baylor for the aformentioned HBP record


Biggio has the modern-era record now. He passed Baylor last season. The overall record is held by Hughie Jennings, who played in the late 1800s and Biggio is closing in on that. He only has 13 more and the record is his.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 20, 2006, 04:26:52 pm
Going back a ways, but Ron Hunt from the early days of the Mets was one of my favorites.  He'd get hit by pitches and was unafraid at second base turning the double play. 

By the way, I saw the Giants turn an old '69 Mets style double play a few days ago. 6-4-5.  Men on first and second, ground ball to short.  Vizquel goes to Durham at second who flys over the bag and throws straight to Pedro Feliz at third.  They caught the runner from second rounding the bag too far and tagged him out.  I read somewhere that the '69 Mets turned 11 of those that season!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 20, 2006, 04:35:51 pm
And speaking of Pete Rose.  If you haven't read it already, get a copy of Donald Hall's book, Dock Ellis in the Country of Baseball.  A really good read about the acid-doing Ellis and his career in the bigs. 

The best part is when he decided that he needed to show the Cincinnati Reds that his team, the Pirates, weren't afraid of them.  His plan was to plunk every hitter in the order, in a row, one through nine, to open the game.  Right off he hit Joe Morgan.  Then Rose came up, and Ellis in the book explains that this was the part of his plan that had him really worried.  He said he knew that Rose would show no pain, etc.

But what happened was even worse.  Ellis hit Pete right in the side with his best fastball.  Rose just grinned, bent over and picked up the ball, and then daintily rolled it back to Ellis on the mound.  Then he took off and sprinted to first, as usual.  The Dock said he almost gave up right there.  He didn't, though, hitting the next two guys before his manager, Danny Murgaugh, figured out what was going on and came out and got the ball from him. :-)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 20, 2006, 06:17:25 pm
LG - You're right!  I forgot Biggio passed him last year.  Living in Colorado, I have a biased affection for Baylor - the Rockies first skipper.

WB - great story. I need to get that book
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 20, 2006, 06:22:28 pm
WB-

I saw the double play you mentioned also but wasn't it 4-6-5?
I thought I remember Visquel making the surprise throw to 3rd and saying to myself - "Dude's got game"
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 20, 2006, 06:32:04 pm
I went to the Giants' website to prove you wrong, and ended up proving you right. :-)  They have the video clip there, and it did go 4-6-5.  Man, my memory is really going south. :-)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 20, 2006, 06:43:36 pm
Living in Colorado, I have a biased affection for Baylor - the Rockies first skipper.

As a native Texan and lifelong Astros fan, I think the biases offset.  ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 20, 2006, 06:50:24 pm
WB-

I had to check the Giant website also.  I wasn't confident how I saw the play - you know with 3 kids fighting in the background at home.

LG -
my wife is a native Texan and we have these moments of difference all the time

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 20, 2006, 07:47:07 pm
LG -my wife is a native Texan and we have these moments of difference all the time

Good for her. As John Steinbeck said "Texas is a state of mind. Texas is an obsession. Above all, Texas is a nation in every sense of the word."

You just can't mess with that.

 ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: scots31 on April 21, 2006, 03:51:23 am
I have been reading the posts about Boesinger and I agree he is a tough player.  It seems that Wooster has had very good luck with having a great catcher to guide the team.....Byo, Radigan, now Boesinger.  I think it's funny how Radigan seemed to have a talent for leaning into pitches just like Boesinger does.  I agree that Boesinger is a very good player but I would not go as far as saying that he is the team MVP and I think his average is high since he does hit so far down in the order.  Pitchers are probably most concerned with getting out the top of the order with all the big bats that they have.  If I were to rank Boesinger as far as catching at wooster I would put him behind both Byo and Radigan talent wise though, not to take anything away from the kid.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 21, 2006, 12:35:20 pm
...I think his average is high since he does hit so far down in the order.  Pitchers are probably most concerned with getting out the top of the order with all the big bats that they have.

I'm not sure it matters too much what spot in the Scot's lineup you come up.  I really don't see an easy out one through nine for Wooster. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: scots31 on April 21, 2006, 03:17:56 pm
I am just saying that I am sure since he hits down further in the order that he sees a lot more fastballs and gets better pitches to hit...please don't think I am knocking the kid, I think he is a great player
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 25, 2006, 11:15:27 am
I was browsing another site this morning (JJHuddle.com) actually to see if I could find any basketball recruiting info on any NCAC schools, in particular Wooster, and I ran into an interesting topic concerning DIII baseball.  The question being posed was whether or not the NCAC and/or the OAC would get more than just one team into the NCAA tournament especially when taking into consideration that the field will be expanded this season.  I would say it would be pretty much a definate possibility if Wooster or Marietta were not to win their conference tournament and the automatic bid went to another school. 

Let's just say that Wooster and Marietta both win their conference tournaments.  Does OWU have an impressive enough resume to gain an at large bid?  They did win the NCAC west rather comfortably and they did defeat #1 Wooster last weekend.  However, they have struggled against the OAC losing to Heidelberg twice, OTT and Marietta with their lone win coming against Musky.

The OAC could be really interesting.  One could make arguments for OTT, MUC and Heidelberg.  OTT pulled off a 2 game sweep of Marietta over the weekend and they are currently alone in first in the OAC by 2 games over Marietta.  MUC is currently in 3rd and could pretty much eliminate Heidelberg from at large consideration if they win out.  The Purple Raiders close the season with Marietta at home and at the Berg.  Heidelberg is currently in 4th in the OAC, trailing MUC, Marietta and OTT.  Heidelberg is currently 2 games behind MUC for 3rd and hold a one game lead over JCU for the final spot in the OAC tournament.  IMO, I don't see the OAC getting more than 2 teams in, but I would say that OTT and Marietta should get in based on their performance in the OAC for the regular season.  I would also say the same for Wooster and OWU both getting in as they both won the NCAC east and west regular season titles. 

Based on the regional rankings from the ABCA (and I know that they aren't the official rankings used by the NCAA, but they are at least a start) the top four spots in the Mideast Region are Wooster (NCAC), Manchester (HCAC), Marietta (OAC) and W&J (PrAC).  Lets just assume that those 4 schools would garner their conference automatic bid.  OWU is sitting in 5th and would look pretty good at gaining an at large.  For some reason, OTT who is currently in 1st place in the OAC with only one conference loss isn't even ranked.  I'm sure when the official NCAA regional rankings are released (which should be any day now ::)), this won't be the case.  Heidelberg is the other regionally ranked OAC rep. 

BTW, I wasn't able to find anything worthwhile on any recruiting news on the basketball front, which was my sole intent when I first ventured into JJHuddle in the first place just to let you all know. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WoosterFAN on April 25, 2006, 11:19:12 am
INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA Division III Baseball Committee has approved the host sites for four of the five predetermined, first-round sites of the NCAA Division III Baseball Championship. Competition for the first-rounds will be May 17-21. The sites for the Mid-Atlantic, Mideast, New England and New York areas are as follows:

Alvernia/Pennsylvania Athletic Conference, Boyertown, Pennsylvania
Eastern College Athletic Conference, Harwich, Massachusetts
Ithaca College, Auburn, New York
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Terre Haute, Indiana

The predetermined host site for the South area is to be determined. The three non-predetermined host sites for the Central, Midwest and West areas will be announced at team selections on Sunday, May 14.

-- Courtesy NCAA.org

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 25, 2006, 06:09:38 pm
So I take that to mean that the Mideast regional will be at RHIT, regardless of who is in it?  Is RHIT going to qualify?

NCAC tournament play begins this weekend:
#2 (West) Wittenberg (22-14, 10-6) at #1 (East) Wooster (33-5, 15-1)
#2 (East) Kenyon (25-11, 10-6) at #1 (West) Ohio Wesleyan (24-11, 13-3)

Finals at Springfield next Thursday and Friday.

Daily Record article, 4/25 (http://www.the-daily-record.com/article.php?pathToFile=/articles//sports/&file=tuescotsstory.txt&article=1&tD=)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 25, 2006, 09:24:32 pm
DC

I would give the Rose Hulman Engineers an outside chance at qualifying.  They are atop the SCAC West at 12-4 conference (24-10 overall).  If they do well in the conference tourney....
The SCAC East is tough with 2 good shot playoff teams in Trinity and Milsaps (both @30-10).  If RHIT represents well.... the committee will have to consider them.

As for hosting - they hosted last year.  Did any of you Scots fans make the trip to Terre Haute (also known as Terrible Haute when I lived there in 1990-91)?  The pics from last year's regionals look like the facilities were in nice shape.  Got to hand it to RHIT for really builing a nice program the past few years.  They should do very well with their move to the HCAC next year.

Also congrats to the 4 NCAC division qualifiers.  Good luck - it's tourney time!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on April 25, 2006, 10:32:41 pm
NCAC tournament play begins this weekend:
#2 (West) Wittenberg (22-14, 10-6) at #1 (East) Wooster (33-5, 15-1)
#2 (East) Kenyon (25-11, 10-6) at #1 (West) Ohio Wesleyan (24-11, 13-3)

Finals at Springfield next Thursday and Friday.

Does anyone know the game times in Springfield next week?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 26, 2006, 02:32:04 am
Rose-Hulman (Terre Haute, IN) is in the SCAC West...
Trinity (San Antonio, TX) is in the SCAC East...
 :-\
*consults atlas*
 ???
*re-orients atlas*
 :-\
Uh....
Were there famous people associated with the SCAC whose names were "East" and "West?"  Like "Norris" and "Prince of Wales" for the NHL?
 ???
I know there's an SCAC team in Atlanta (Oglethorpe), so they must be in the "West" too.  Atlanta is always in the "West," or at least it used to be.
 :P

 :D
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 26, 2006, 07:35:48 am
NCAC tournament play begins this weekend:
#2 (West) Wittenberg (22-14, 10-6) at #1 (East) Wooster (33-5, 15-1)
#2 (East) Kenyon (25-11, 10-6) at #1 (West) Ohio Wesleyan (24-11, 13-3)

Finals at Springfield next Thursday and Friday.
Does anyone know the game times in Springfield next week?

The Wittenberg website still has the game times listed as TBA.  This whole thing still tee's me off, the fact that Wittenberg gets to host the finals.  The two likely finalists are Wooster and Ohio Wesleyan.  Both would have to make a drive southwest to play at a field that's not at all centrally located.  If I remember correctly, when this happened two years ago, some of Wooster's players were forced to take private transportation down there because either Thursday or Friday (or both) are exam days at Wooster and they couldn't finish in time to make the team bus.  Then Wittenberg's players, who were supposed to be professionally working the event, decided to sit in the stands and loudly and profanely heckle Coach Pettorini.  And, should Wittenberg happen to get in, why should they get home field advantage?

Bad enough we have to deal with them here in Wooster this weekend but to be forced to do so again next week is simply wrong.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 27, 2006, 10:27:03 am
David Collinge

North, South, East, West -  The SCAC is geographically challenged and I transposed my directions.  Sorry I got your panties in a bunch. I'd think with nearly 2500 posts to your credit you would be above dressing down a junior varsity poster.  Funny post but I'm a little more interested in people's thoughts about baseball and the NCAC.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 27, 2006, 10:35:24 am
My beloved Little Giants finished their season last night with an 8-4 loss to Franklin.  They finish 17-21 (7-9 NCAC).  Once again their season ends before May, they lose the season series with local rivals DePauw, Franklin and Rose Hulman and other than beating on weak sister Earlham they perform below average against the conference rivals.
I guess I'm becoming a Cubs fan of sorts as each spring my mind wanders with optimism for a Wabash Baseball winning record and even a post-season only to be disappointed by another sub-.500 season.  Maybe next year.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 27, 2006, 01:44:03 pm
David Collinge

North, South, East, West -  The SCAC is geographically challenged and I transposed my directions.  Sorry I got your panties in a bunch. I'd think with nearly 2500 posts to your credit you would be above dressing down a junior varsity poster.  Funny post but I'm a little more interested in people's thoughts about baseball and the NCAC.

Dressing down?   :-[  I'm sorry you took it that way.  On the contrary, I take for granted that what you post is both correct and insightful, because it always is.  I was making fun of the SCAC.  I thought it was funny that the SCAC would have their East and West so far out of whack.  It never occurred to me that you might have transposed the directions (something, BTW, I do all the time myself).  I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

I too am interested in people's thoughts about baseball and the NCAC, including and especially yours, 6-4-3.   I personally have very little insight into the subject, being a couple thousand miles away.  Generally I am a lurker in here (men's hoops is my thing), but since the conversation had slowed down, I thought I'd give it a little goose.  Now I'll just fade back into the woodwork.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 27, 2006, 03:55:12 pm
DC

Guess I was a bit too quick with the retaliation chin music. In basketball vernacular - no harm, no foul.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 27, 2006, 05:10:30 pm
DC:

Nice quote and pic, by the way.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 29, 2006, 07:32:34 pm
NCAC semifinals:

Ohio Wesleyan advances to the NCAC championship series with a sweep of Kenyon, 12-5 and 8-0.  The Bishops will face the winner of the Wittenberg/Wooster series, which is tied at 1-1.  Wittenberg upset the top-ranked Scots 8-7 in the opener, but Wooster came back for a 5-0 season-saving win in the nightcap.  The Scots and Tigers square off tomorrow at noon to determine the other finalist.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on April 29, 2006, 08:50:28 pm
The ninth inning in the first game was one of the worst innings of baseball that I've ever seen, with a couple of strange plays thrown in to mix things up.

First, with the Scots up 3, the Tigers get the first two on - one via a single and another on the Scots 1st error of the inning.  Next, I guess to stay out of a possible double-play, Witt sacrifices the runners to 2nd and 3rd.  I'm thinking - great!  Those runs don't mean anything, take the out if they're going to give it.  When the next guy K's, it seems like the game's in the bag.  The Scots bring in Katich to close it out, but he promptly gives up a single to left.  Still not a big deal, until Sankal throws home instead of making sure that they tying run stays on first.  2 more errors, a wild pitch, and a single later the Tigers are 1 game away from winning the series.

Thanks to a great outing from Adam Samson, some timely hitting, and ZERO errors the Scots won the 2nd game and force the deciding game tomorrow.  The Scots should have the advantage with a deeper pitching staff (Witt's 3rd starter has a 5+ ERA), but the Scots have to catch the ball if they're going to win. 

Kurt Kapferer got hits in both games today to extend his hitting streak to 28 games - a new school record!

Boesinger only got hit once today - albeit with the bases loaded in the 8th in game 2 - to up his season total to 25.  His On Base Pct is now .590 (the Scots season record is .543 by Dan Penberthy in 2001.)

Go Scots!

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 30, 2006, 08:18:47 am
Derek -

Amen on the worst inning of baseball.  That decision to throw home on the single to left was the catalyst, and although Sankal needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for it, it was a team-wide breakdown.  Everyone in his vicinity (shortstop, third baseman, center fielder) should have been yelling "Second, second base", and prior to the play the coaching staff should have gotten word what to do with the ball on a base hit.  It sure seems like they didn't.

Had that throw gone to second, the Scots would still have gotten a force at second on the ensuing ground ball, the one that Quinby booted.

I also heartily disagreed with the decision to remove Ryan Mullins after he faced only one batter, whom he struck out.  Mullins has been slowly coming around, and pitched two very solid innings up at Kent State on Wednesday.  Yesterday, he was brought in to face a lefty.  Wittenberg promptly pinch hit with a righty; Mullins k'd him anyway.  Coach Pettorini then yanked him, apparently looking to go righty/righty with Katich, but every time you bring in a new pitcher, there's the danger that something will go wrong.  And Katich has been nothing if not erratic this season.

Kapferer's hitting streak not only broke Russ Miller's team record of 27 games, but that was also the NCAC record.  Congrats to Kurt!  The DIII record, though, is still very safe.  Damian Costantina of Salva Regina (??) hit in 60 straight between April 4, 2001 and March 10, 2003.

The Wooster radio station, during their broadcast of yesterday's double header, mentioned a few times that a Wooster loss would end their season, that they couldn't see how Wooster would get a Pool C berth if they didn't at least make the league finals.

I disagree.  I can hardly see how Wooster could be left out, what with 14 available Pool C bids compared to last year's 3.  Surely at least one would be given to the Mideast, and I don't see anyone within range of Wooster's record or national ranking.  It would sure be nice to see those regional rankings...
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on April 30, 2006, 09:27:06 am
That decision to throw home on the single to left was the catalyst, and although Sankal needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for it, it was a team-wide breakdown.  Everyone in his vicinity (shortstop, third baseman, center fielder) should have been yelling "Second, second base", and prior to the play the coaching staff should have gotten word what to do with the ball on a base hit.  It sure seems like they didn't.

Had that throw gone to second, the Scots would still have gotten a force at second on the ensuing ground ball, the one that Quinby booted.


Agreed - I'm not sure where everyone's head was on that play, but it was a total breakdown.  One of the odd things was that my dad and I were trying to figure out why Witt sacrificed two runner into scoring position when they were down 3.  But without the sac, maybe Sankal doesn't try to throw home, and as you say, Quinby's boot still results in the easy force at second.

I was also trying to figure the radio guy's logic in stating that the Scots needed to win this weekend to get a NCAA berth.  It would seem to me that they're pretty close to a lock.  But let's hope that they win today and next week and take any deciions like that out of the equation.

Go Scots!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 30, 2006, 09:48:59 am
Derek -

Yep, I agree on Witt's bunting decision also.  And it certainly looked like it was a sacrifice, not that he was bunting for a hit.  He really squared around, made sure he got the ball down before leaving the box, etc.  It was a very good bunt, but just tactically the wrong time to do it.

Let's hope that the Wooster bats really break loose today, that they play defense like they did in yesterday's game two (Barone was exceptional, handling lots of chances flawlessly), and that Coach Pettorini won't be sending anymore runners to their death at home plate with nobody out...  ???
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on April 30, 2006, 02:48:37 pm
Wooster overcomes another fistful of errors (3, 4, or 5; all three figures cited in the postgame comments of the radio guys) to defeat Wittenberg 13-3 and advance to the title series.  OWU will take on the Scots on Thursday at Springfield, time and number of games TBA.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 30, 2006, 08:45:53 pm
You guys have questioned Wooster's defensive play from the first of the season.  From the description of the game 1 collapse against Witt, the problem has not corrected itself after 41 games and is now an identity and not a trend.  There are physical errors and mental errors and throwing to home with the tying run on first is a big mental error.  I know I said earlier in a post that with repetition, these things will work themselves out by May and the Scots will be fine but now I question my position.  I'm afraid  with better competition and closer games this problem will most likely be their demise in the regionals (if not this weekend - but these games are really meaningless for Wooster in as much as making it to the next round).

Having not seen this team in person this season, I went to the Wooster website and saw 2 glaring season stats.  First, the bulk of the errors are really attributed to 2 players (Enos & Quimby) and both these guys are freshman.  They have both been very productive at the plate and thus warrant the playing time.  In short, welcome to the rest of DIII where talented frosh start but make a lot of mistakes in the field that cost the rest of us games. (By the way Wabash started frosh at SS & 2B = below .500)

Second stat is the unbelievable offensive numbers put up by this Scots team.  I believe you when you say that there are no weaknesses 1-8 in the lineup.  Can you continue to outhit your opponents to victory in the post-season?  History would suggest that pitching and defense will prevail, but this team sure can hit and I'm curious to see how well they hit in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 30, 2006, 09:29:42 pm
First, the bulk of the errors are really attributed to 2 players (Enos & Quimby) and both these guys are freshman.

Yep, Enos and Quimby are the two biggest culprits.  Enos made 4 errors in today's game, the second time this season that he's done so, tying his own record.  I guess there's a positive way of looking at that, meaning that if you were to throw out those two games he'd be fielding .897 instead of .840.  He's made some really nice plays on balls to either side of him, but has trouble when the ball is hit right at him and he can't control the hop.  Personally, I think he plays too deep.

Quimby looks like a better fielder than his numbers indicate.  He's fielding .904 with 16 errors, but has also made some nice plays out there.  And, just like his predecessor at short, DIII Player of the Year Luke Ullman, who only fielded .894 with 15 errors, Quimby hits more than enough to keep himself in the lineup. 

Can you continue to outhit your opponents to victory in the post-season?  History would suggest that pitching and defense will prevail, but this team sure can hit and I'm curious to see how well they hit in the coming weeks.

That is the big question.  Even as the competition improves, there will be few, if any, teams that can outhit and outslug Wooster.  And the Scots's pitching is possibly good enough win it all, as guys like Adam Sampson, Ryan Mullins, and Anthony Trappazzano have been throwing the ball well lately, indicating that they will give number one starter John Oliver some help.

But if the defense doesn't hold up, neither will the pitching, and it's unlikely that the offense can carry the whole load.  It's time to break out the gloves, and by the way to improve the baserunning decisions, both by the runners and the coaches.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 30, 2006, 09:49:17 pm
Here is a link to the Mideast Regional webpage at Rose-Hulman in Terre Haute:

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/baseball/06regional/
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 01, 2006, 09:56:00 am

The Scots should have the advantage with a deeper pitching staff (Witt's 3rd starter has a 5+ ERA), but the Scots have to catch the ball if they're going to win. 


This proved to be prophetic as the Scots rode the arm of freshman Trappuzzano and outscored the Tigers even though they again committed too many errors.  Actually it was Enos who had one bad inning in the field which led to Witt's scoring in the 6th.  Enos committed 4 of the Scot's 5 errors in the game and 3 of his miscues came in the 6th which led to Witt plating one unearned run in the inning.  The other Scot error came from back-up catcher Josh Keller replacing Boseiger in the 9th.  For the 3 game series, Enos led the Scots with 6 errors which all occurred in game 1 and game 3 as Wooster did not commit and error in game 2.  The fact that Wooster was errorless in game 2 was quite surprising because Samson got Witt to ground into something like 18 ground ball outs.

I agree with the sentiments of BASH6-4-3 in that I thought this problem of Wooster's shaky defense at times would right itself as the season wore on, but, as evidenced by ELEVEN errors in two games this weekend, it obviously hasn't.  The Scots cannot afford to be that sloppy in the field as the competion gets stronger throughout the post-season.  And that starts this Thursday against OWU.  Wooster cannot count on their bats to carry them through at this time of the year.  Pitching and defense are what win you championships.  Good pitching will win out most of the time against good hitting.  As Derek mentioned, Wooster has some outstanding depth in the pitching department as evidenced this weekend vs. Witt.  For all intents and purposes, that series should have been over on Saturday, but to Witt's credit, they jumped on the Scot's mental lapses and pushed Wooster to the brink of elimination. 

The problem for Wooster is, as BASH6-4-3 elluded to, it doesn't look like these defensive problems are going to go away and that, in the end, could be the demise of this talented ball club.  Wooster definately has the pitching to get it done.  The defense behind that pitching is what will cost Wooster in the end I'm afraid.  Just look at game 1.   Of Witt's 8 runs, FIVE were unearned and all 4 runs Witt scored in the ninth were unearned!  It's tough to win close games when you are giving your opponents extra outs and so many unearned runs and it's only going to get tougher now.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 01, 2006, 10:32:23 am

The Wooster radio station, during their broadcast of yesterday's double header, mentioned a few times that a Wooster loss would end their season, that they couldn't see how Wooster would get a Pool C berth if they didn't at least make the league finals.

I disagree.  I can hardly see how Wooster could be left out, what with 14 available Pool C bids compared to last year's 3.  Surely at least one would be given to the Mideast, and I don't see anyone within range of Wooster's record or national ranking.  It would sure be nice to see those regional rankings...



I was also trying to figure the radio guy's logic in stating that the Scots needed to win this weekend to get a NCAA berth.  It would seem to me that they're pretty close to a lock.  But let's hope that they win today and next week and take any deciions like that out of the equation.


I too heard this and was surprised to hear them say that if Wooster were to have lost to Witt in the NCAC semis it would have cost them a Pool C bid.  They were ranked in the top 5 all season long and were #1 for a good portion of the season.  If they weren't a lock for a Pool C bid, especially given the expanded field this year,  then something is drastically wrong with the selection committee.  Although, nothing the NCAA does that is questionable is really surprising!

I had posed this question earlier, but now that OWU and Wooster have advanced to the conference finals, do both teams warrant getting a bid?  As I stated above, Wooster has to be as close to a lock now that there could be to gaining an at large bid should they lose to the Bishops.  But, if OWU were to lose, do they get in?  My feelings are that they should get in despite not fairing well against the OAC.  Right now, the OAC has two candidates as well in OTT and Marietta.  Should OTT get the automaic from the OAC, Marietta would be hard to keep out, however, it Marietta wins the automatic, a Pool C for the OAC would be very much up in the air IMO.

BTW, the regional rankings are supposed to be released May 4th per the NCAA website.  Here is the quote from their website:

Quote from: NCAA Regional Rankings Webpage
INDIANAPOLIS -- Technical difficulties will prevent the NCAA Division III Baseball Committee from publishing the regional rankings for April 27. The first published ranking is now scheduled for Thursday, May 4.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 01, 2006, 11:13:54 am
Scotsfan,

Iwill start analyzing the Pool C contenders after the regional rankings.

Please join me on the Pool C board.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on May 01, 2006, 11:21:09 am
RIP Derek Poe.

I have decided to lay to rest the 'imderekpoe' user name and go back to my original 'cmhscots'.  (I guess I just got tire of being referred to as Derek!)

For anyone who cares (and I can't imagine who that would be!), I use 'imderekpoe' on the the messageboard for the english rock group Muse.  'imderekpoe' is an anagram for 'pere d'emiko' which is french for Emiko's Dad.  My daughter uses 'emiko45' on that messageboard, and it seemed appropriate based on some anagram-related stuff going on there at the time that I set it up.

Mike
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 01, 2006, 11:37:52 am
Welcome aboard, Mike! :-)

Sorry about calling you Derek, but addressing you as imderekpoe sounded silly and required lots of typing.  Maybe you should choose an interim handle such as iwasntreallyderekpoeitwasactuallysortof ananagram. :-)

Jack
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on May 01, 2006, 02:28:00 pm
Sorry about calling you Derek, but addressing you as imderekpoe sounded silly and required lots of typing. Maybe you should choose an interim handle such as iwasntreallyderekpoeitwasactuallysortof ananagram. :-)

Well, I certainly don't blame you for calling me 'Derek'! 

Back to baseball...
According to Wittenberg's website, Game 1 is at 6:00 pm on Thursday and Game 2 is at 2:00 pm on Friday.  Game 3, if necessary will be 30 minutes after the conclusion of Game 2. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 01, 2006, 02:50:19 pm
Ok, I remember that format from two years ago when I last made the trip.  It leaves you with trying to figure out what to do in Springfield on Friday morning until game time.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 01, 2006, 05:32:10 pm
I feel a lot better now about not understanding the "imderekpoe" reference.   :D  I am far too unhip to spot homages to English rock bands, but airport identifiers are a sub-specialty of mine.   ;)

Here's a quote from today's Daily Record (http://www.the-daily-record.com/) (from an article that has already received a comment on the DR's website  (http://www.the-daily-record.com/article.php?pathToFile=/articles//sports/&file=monscotsnotebook.txt&article=1&tD=)by our own Wooster Booster, BTW):

Quote
With 36 victories and an excellent in-region record (26-3), it’s almost inconceivable for the No. 1-ranked Scots to be left out even if they fall in their best-of-three series with OWU.

“I think we’re in now,” Wooster coach Tim Pettorini said. “I told our kids that today, but we know we’ve got to beat Wesleyan to get the No. 1 seed.” [emphasis added]

Not to mention the conference championship.   ::)

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on May 01, 2006, 05:39:06 pm
'imderekpoe' is an anagram for 'pere d'emiko' which is french for Emiko's Dad.  My daughter uses 'emiko45' on that messageboard, and it seemed appropriate based on some anagram-related stuff going on there at the time that I set it up

I need some aspirin.... ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 02, 2006, 09:50:18 pm
The new ABCA poll (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll5206.pdf) is out.

Wooster is #2, behind the College of New Jersey.  It's a good week to be a "The College Of."  :)
Ohio Wesleyan in the "also receiving votes" category.

Otterbein is at #22, Marietta is at #26.

Other area schools that may show up in Terre Haute include
#12 Manchester
#16 Aurora
ARV WashU.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 02, 2006, 10:15:22 pm
The Army of the Republic of Vietnam might be moved to the Mideast Regional?  Huh.  Besides, I'd thought they were DII...  ;)

I know, I know, they were the ARVN, but I took some poetic license.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 03, 2006, 08:48:18 pm
I agree that Wooster is in regardless, but one thing that is overlooked is the fact the rankings we talk about are not the NCAA rankings, they are the ABCA's rankings. Whether or not the NCAA's are close to that is anyone's guess. I guess we will find out tomorrow(maybe).

I have always had a soft spot for Wooster as we had a few battles during my playing days... including a Spring Break brawl in Panama City, Fl to open the 1995 season.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on May 04, 2006, 10:53:15 am
I think we are all in agreement Wooster is in the next round regardless of the outcome the next 2 days.  I was hoping that OWU would also be in with a strong showing this week even if they lose the conference title but unfortunately I think the OAC will have the final say.  Otterbein, MT. Union, Marietta and Heidelberg all have good resumes and they are collectively undefeated against OWU.  Their top 4 conference tourney is next weekend.
In short, OWU better take 2/3 from Wooster.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 04, 2006, 11:11:49 am

I was hoping that OWU would also be in with a strong showing this week even if they lose the conference title but unfortunately I think the OAC will have the final say. Otterbein, MT. Union, Marietta and Heidelberg all have good resumes and they are collectively undefeated against OWU. Their top 4 conference tourney is next weekend.
In short, OWU better take 2/3 from Wooster.


I agree.  OWU has had a nice season, and with the expanded field, they have a legitamate claim for a Pool C,  but their record vs. the OAC could come back to bite them in the end if they don't take the automatic bid over the next 2 days.  I'd like to see the NCAC get 2 teams in, but, at the same time, I really don't want Wooster to lose their chance at being the #1 seed in the regional which would probably happen if Wooster were to lose the series to OWU. 

There is a definate advantage to garnering the #1 seed in the regional.  According to an article in The Daily Record a few days ago, the way the bracket is set up, the #1 seed would play it's first game against a team that had already played one game earlier in the 1st day.  And the winner of that game would then have an off day the next day.  So, as much as I would like to see OWU in the national tournament, I have to admit the only way I would like to see it happen is by them getting a Pool C, which right now, doesn't seem too likely.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 04, 2006, 06:03:19 pm
First NCAA regional rankings are out. (Link here) (http://www.scac-online.org/baseball/50406regionpoll.pdf)

The Mideast rankings are as follows:
1. Wooster (29-3 reg., 36-7 overall)
2. Marietta (18-3, 26-8)
3. Manchester (19-4, 28-7)
4. Otterbein (17-7, 22-13)
5. Washington & Jefferson (19-8, 25-9)
6. Grove City (20-8, 24-10)
7. Adrian (18-6, 24-12)

That doesn't bode well for OWU's Pool C chances.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 05, 2006, 12:07:18 am
Game One goes to Wooster, 11-8.  No details are available at this time.  Game Two is scheduled for tomorrow* at 2pm; Game Three, if necessary, will be directly after the conclusion of Game Two.

(Well, it's still 'tomorrow' for me; I suppose it's already 'today' back on Planet NCAC. :))
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 05, 2006, 12:53:52 am
Game One box score (http://)

Wooster overcomes four more errors to take Game One, 11-8.  After spotting the Bishops an early 1-0 lead, the Scots scored five times in the second en route to a 9-1 lead after their half of the fifth inning.  Wesleyan chipped away at the big lead, scoring five more runs before chasing Scot ace Jon Oliver in the eighth inning, but a last-gasp ninth inning rally fell short. 

Oliver moves to 8-0 on the year, surrendering 6 runs (3 earned) on 10 hits, while striking out 11 in 7 2/3 innings.  Ryan Mullins gave up two ninth-inning runs, both unearned, but held on for his 3rd save.  Michael Krieger (6-2) took the loss for OWU, giving up 9 runs (7 earned) on 7 hits and 4 walks in five innings.

OWU led off the scoring in the first when Brandon Williams singled, advanced on a ground out, and scored on an error by Wooster shortstop John Quimby.  The Scots took control in the top of the second on a three-run home run by Rob Romick before an out was recorded.  Dan Skulina also homered for the Scots, as did OWU second baseman Kyle Sherman.  Wooster's Reilly Enos went 3 for 5, scoring twice and driving in a run with a sixth inning single.  Scot catcher Brandon Boesinger reached base four times (two doubles and two more HBPs) and scored three runs.  Senior Adam Toney led the Bishop attack with three hits, including a double, and two RBIs. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 05, 2006, 10:42:40 am
Scot catcher Brandon Boesinger reached base four times (two doubles and two more HBPs) and scored three runs. .

That performance by Boesiger in yesterday's game raised his OBP to over the .600 mark! :o  This kid really has a knack for getting on base any way possible!  Also, by him getting plunked 2 more times yesterday, he now owns the NCAC record for HBP's and he is closing in fast on the DIII record which stands at 33!

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 05, 2006, 12:24:19 pm
Since we're in the middle of the NCAC championship finals between Wooster and OWU, I just thought I'd throw out a little tidbit regarding the history between these two storied programs on the diamond.  This series has been even more competitive than I thought it was.  I knew these 2 schools had a pretty good rivalry going in baseball, but I never realized how close the all-time series is.  Including last night's win by the Scots, Wooster now holds a narrow 71-68-1 lead in the series.  Wooster also leads the Bishops in the Conference Championship category by a count of 10-6.  Wooster and OWU have accounted for 16 of the 21 NCAC champions with Allegheny winning the other 5.  The rivalry and domination of the NCAC between Wooster and OWU kind of reminds me of Wooster and Witt on the hardwood in a way.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 05, 2006, 05:36:19 pm
Wooster outlasts OWU 9-8 in a nailbiter to win the NCAC Tournament Championship.  Wooster advances to the NCAA regional tournament with a 38-7 record; the Scots will likely be the top seed in the Terre Haute Regional.

Congratulations to the Scots and Bishops on great seasons.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on May 06, 2006, 12:33:33 am
A great series for the Scots over a good OWU team.  I wish that I could have made it over, but it just didn't work out.

Some interesting (IMO) stats for the Scots:

Romick earns the tourney MVP with a team leading 11 RBI's and a slugging percentage of .933

Boesinger had 5 doubles and 1 single in 12 official AB.  Combined with 4 walks and 6 HBP, he had an unreal on-base percentage of .727.  He raised his season OBP to .608 and is a lock to break the season record of .543 set by Dan Penberthy in 2001.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 07, 2006, 05:37:48 pm
Quote from: Joe Vardon, The Daily Record
After sweeping Ohio Wesleyan in the best-of-three NCAC Championship Series on Thursday and Friday, the Scots will be off until they begin play in the NCAA Div. III Mideast Regional on March 17 in Terre Haute, Ind.

That’s a ton of vacation time within the parameters of a baseball season...

It sure is! :D
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: bigkrapper on May 08, 2006, 03:37:28 pm
First, congrats to Wooster on another great NCAC Tournament, and Regular Season.  KEEP ON PLAYING!

Just a quick question for those who made it down to Springfield.  The box score for game two lists the attendance at 225 and game one at 275.  Is this accurate?  The only reason I ask is because the semifinal game between Wooster and Witt have three games attendance listed at 150, 150, and 130?  I have a hard time believing that many more people traveled to watch the championship.  Wouldn't it have been nice for fans to be close to where the games where.  While I can't speak for OWU fans I can remember Wooster winning many regular season titles and watching a lot of great college games at Thurman Munson, or at Wooster.  The light(s) argument the NCAC makes is a bunch of crap.  First, the weather was perfect this weekend and second even if it was not they have a whole other weekend to get the games in before the regional.   Can anyway explain the point of the regular season (aside from the obvious you have to qualify for the NCAC Tournament)?  What is the reward for winning the regular season?  Playing a championship game 2.5 hours away? 
Just a note from personal knowledge, Kent State will be hosting the Division 1 Mid-American Conference Tournament, (the are about to win the Regular Season) and they do not have lights at their stadium?
Maybe this will get some people talking!
I just feel like the NCAC is punishing the stronger East conference, Outside of OWU (which is a great baseball program) who else belongs?  The top teams year in and year out are Wooster, OWU, Denison, Kenyon, Allegheny.  Wooster, OWU, and ALL winning the last 21 championships? 
OK I AM DONE RANTING!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 08, 2006, 04:56:42 pm
bk,

I didn't attend last week's games in Springfield, but I share in your opinions and questions  about where the NCAC championship series is held and why it is held there.  Facilities shouldn't have any bearing on where the championship series is held.  Facilities aren't pre-determined in basketball, so why do they have to be in baseball?  There's another beef I have with how the NCAC handles the championship series and that is how the home team is determined.  Instead of rewarding the home team to the team with the best conference record, (Wooster was 15-1 in the NCAC East compared to OWU going 13-3 in the NCAC West) they have a coin flip to determine the home team for game 1.  Then, the loser of the coin toss is the home team for game 2.  Wooster lost the coin toss to OWU and was the visiting team for game one.  And if a game 3 is needed, they have another coin toss to determine the home team.  So, even though Wooster had the better conference mark, if a game 3 would have been neccessary, they would have been subject to the laws of chance to see whether or not they could have the advantage of being the home team.  Already, the NCAC has taken away any advantage for having the best conference record by pre-determining the site of the NCAC championship series, and they take it a step furter not even rewarding the team with the best conference record a chance to be the home team the majority of the series.  I think the NCAC needs to refine some things about how it runs the NCAC championship series IMHO! 

Rant's over for me too... ;)

As for the attendance down in Springfield and why the #'s were more than the Wooter-Witt semifinal series at Wooster, I would guess it has to do with OWU and Wooster having fairly good followings on the road.  I know Wooster has a good following away from Art Murray and I would imagine, because of OWU's history of success, they would have a similar road following to that of Wooster's.  I wouldn't imagine Wittenberg's fans travelling to Wooster in the same #'s as Wooster's and OWU's fans travelled to Springfield.  Plus, given the dislike between Wooster and Wittenberg, I would guess there were a couple of locals who showed up just to cheer against Wooster.  Just a guess though. ;) 8)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 08, 2006, 05:34:35 pm
It was a lucky thing for Wooster, OWU, and Wittenberg that they did have good weather, as it was mentioned several times on the radio broadcast that the tarp was torn and was of no use.  Seems a bit more important to me to have a tarp than lights, but what do I know.  Plus, although the facility is really nice as far as the press box, grandstand, etc., by all accounts the field is still rough and they couldn't even keep the bases in the ground.

I'm really hoping that now that Denison has lights in Granville that they will put in a bid to host both the NCAC finals and the Mideastern Regional in the future.  Denison is only 45-50 minutes from Wooster and is probably even closer to OWU.  Plus, Granville has it all over Springfield as far as ambiance.

I've been talking to the people over at Rose-Hulman regarding tickets at the regional.  There will not be an all-tournament pass.  Tickets are either $5 or $10 per day, depending on whether you buy general admission (baseline bleachers) or preferred seats (theatre-style seats behind the plate).  There will be in-an-out privileges, and it is permissible to bring in food/drink.  He did, however, say that the brats are very good. :-)

Is anyone from Wooster thinking of making the trip?  I'm toying with the idea, but can't quite decide.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 08, 2006, 06:29:37 pm
Regarding the question of home-field advantage based on conference record, recall that the NCAC engages in divisional play in baseball.  As I understand it, each team's conference schedule consists of four games each (two doubleheaders) against the other 4 teams in their division, for a total of 16 games.  Games played against conference members in the other division do not count towards conference records.  That means that Wooster and OWU had no conference games in common, excluding the conference semifinals, and their respective conference records are apples and oranges.  For all intents and purposes, they played in different conferences prior to the tournament. 

It's similar to the World Series, where home field advantage is not determined by the records compiled almost entirely against intra-leage opponents.  Instead of using records with few if any common opponents, MLB uses an entirely logical, reasonable basis to determine home-field advantage in the Fall Classic: it goes to the team representing the league that wins an otherwise meaningless exhibition game played by players selected largely on the bases of their overall popularity and that of their home ballclubs....

uh....wait a second...scratch that last paragraph.  :D
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 09, 2006, 12:25:59 pm
As I was perusing the article by Joe Vardon from last Sunday's Daily Record, I came across an interesting stat and a dubious record the Scots are chasing and it isn't one you would necessarily be thrilled about breaking.  That record being for team errors for a season.  The record stand at 105 and was set in 1997.  Wooster has committed 92 on the season to date.  Ironically enough, the record was set during arguably the Scot's most successful season as they finished national runner-ups in 1997.  So maybe Wooster can get it done in the post-season with a bit of a shaky defense.

Also of note from that article, Wooster wasn't exactly stellar defensively last season either.  But they managed to turn it on and only committed 4 errors in their 4 games in last year's Mideast Regional.  Maybe the extended layoff will give the Scots some time to heal (both physically and mentally) and also give them some extra time to work on some of their defensive lapses that have been plaguing them throughout the season.  Obviously, Wooster has proven that you can go far in the post-season even if you are setting records for errors in a season!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on May 10, 2006, 12:15:21 pm
Obviously, Wooster has proven that you can go far in the post-season even if you are setting records for errors in a season!

Agreed.   But they've been consistently bad in the field all year, and I think that Einstein might think it insane to expect different results from the same players in the postseason.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 11, 2006, 02:35:51 pm
Quote from: Joe Vardon
The College of Wooster (38-7), which won its third straight NCAC championship and 11th overall last weekend, swept the league’s four individual awards, The Daily Record has learned.

Scots 25th-year coach Tim Pettorini was named NCAC Coach of the Year for the seventh time and senior Jon Oliver became the school’s second two-time Pitcher of the Year. Senior designated hitter Kurt Kapferer kept the NCAC Player of the Year Award in Wooster for the fourth consecutive season and freshman shortstop John Quimby is the league’s Newcomer of the Year.

The individual awards and All-NCAC teams will be officially announced Thursday.

The Scots, who took two straight from Ohio Wesleyan in the league’s championship series May 4-5, claimed all four NCAC individual honors for the first time in school history.  (emphases added)

Link to source article from the Daily Record (http://www.the-daily-record.com/article.php?pathToFile=/articles//sports/&file=thuscotsbaseballawards.txt&article=1&tD=), which may not work if you are not a subscriber to the online edition.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 11, 2006, 09:08:27 pm
As I was perusing the article by Joe Vardon from last Sunday's Daily Record, I came across an interesting stat and a dubious record the Scots are chasing and it isn't one you would necessarily be thrilled about breaking.  That record being for team errors for a season.  The record stand at 105 and was set in 1997.  Wooster has committed 92 on the season to date.  Ironically enough, the record was set during arguably the Scot's most successful season as they finished national runner-ups in 1997.  So maybe Wooster can get it done in the post-season with a bit of a shaky defense.

Of course, the record for most errors is always easier to set when you play more games. The 55 games in 1997 is a good chunk.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 12, 2006, 10:46:23 am
Pat, thanks for putting the buzz-kill on something I was trying very hard to put a positive spin on. ;)  If the Scots were able to clean up their act a tad and they happened to get through to the CWS, they would come close to the 55 games Wooster played in the '97 season.  They have played 45 games now, and if they keep winning, they would play at least 4 more games next weekend, and by making the CWS, there's the possibility for even more games.  It's still no excuse for how poorly this team has played in the field, but any positive spin at this point can't hurt IMO.  It basically boils down to the gawdy amount of errors this team commits just becomes so irritating.  When a team is so loaded with talent, but can't field a ground ball cleanly, it just seems like it could all go to waste.

BTW, the record for worst fielding percentage wasn't set in 1997, so the 55 games played was a major contributing factor to that record being set.  This year's team has put up the worst fielding percentage in 12 year and if the Scots don't get their act together next weekend, they could break the record next weekend in less than 50 games.  :o ::)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 12, 2006, 11:20:10 am
They have played 45 games now, and if they keep winning, they would play at least 4 more games next weekend...

ScotsFan -

An article in today's Daily Record mentions that the Scots have been told that they will be the top seed in the Mideast Regional.  If it contains seven teams (which they don't know yet), Wooster would only have to play three games if they win straight through.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 12, 2006, 10:31:30 pm
If this is true, it's ridiculous and unprofessional for the committee to say that. I have never had much respect for the committee in recent years or the Mideast members thereof, but this really would take the cake.

I guess this makes the convenient cancellation of the Marietta/Wooster game pay off nicely.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 13, 2006, 06:21:09 am
I guess this makes the convenient cancellation of the Marietta/Wooster game pay off nicely.

A rather inconvenient remark.  Enjoy the negative karma.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 13, 2006, 11:25:11 am
Um, ok. I have no idea what you mean by that. But that's fine.

Here's a fun fact for you though. The only precip recorded in Wooster on the 13th was on the 11 p.m. hour. Since we know Wooster has no lights, I'm guessing that didn't play a factor.

More fun facts. Clear skies were observed at station KBJJ (what Weather Underground came up with for Wooster) from 8:15 until 2 p.m. with a drying wind ranging from 4 to 16 mph throughout the day. Plenty of morning sun. Only few to scattered clouds were observed throughout the day.

Bottom line? There's no reason Wooster and Marietta couldn't have played April 13. In a do-or-die situation (there was no time at which the game could have been made up after this), there's no excuse for calling it off.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on May 13, 2006, 11:59:19 am
Bottom line? There's no reason Wooster and Marietta couldn't have played April 13. In a do-or-die situation (there was no time at which the game could have been made up after this), there's no excuse for calling it off.

The reason for the game being cancelled was discussed on here a few pages back.  After the game was postponed on the 12th (due to predicted storms), an NCAC rule game to light that limits the number of days during the week that a team can play to two.  Due to Easter, the Scots were playing a DH on Friday (instead of Sunday).  Since the Scots had already played against Otterbein on Tuesday, the conference rule theoretically prohibited them playing again during the week.  The conference did later state that no penalty would have been imposed, but the Scots didn't want to take the chance of forfeiting some games and ruining a fine season.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 13, 2006, 12:27:40 pm
And phones haven't been introduced to Wooster? How hard would it have been to call the league office and ask a question?

I don't buy that. If that was the case, I don't know why there was even a consideration for playing the game on the 13th, and rather after the 12th was rained out (rightly) they say "well this league rule says we can't play tomorrow." That statement, or anything like it, was never disseminated by either Wooster or Marietta. After the 12th was rained out, the information I remember was that the game was originally rescheduled for the 13th.

In any event, very poor communication at the least by Wooster and the NCAC if you toe the party line. The scenarios only get worse from there. Sorry I didn't know about this board at the time of the discussion, but my opinion would have been the same.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 13, 2006, 12:39:43 pm
Here's a fun fact for you, Spence.  For years, Marietta's Coach Schaly would not agree to play Wooster at Wooster, although he was perfectly content to schedule the Scots in Marietta.  So, for years, two of the best baseball programs in Ohio did not meet on the field during the regular season.

Under your new coach, relations have improved.  Wooster played in Marietta in 2005 and had the game scheduled here in 2006. You implying that Wooster, after finally getting a working "home and home" relationship with Marietta, would purposely cancel a ballgame in order to protect a ranking is absurd and insulting to Wooster's coach and program.  Perhaps you should talk to your coach and see what he thinks.  I'd be very surprised and disappointed if he held the same view.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 13, 2006, 01:23:14 pm
I completely understand why Schaly never wanted to play at Wooster. I'm not going to speculate (not that it's really speculation) why, but I understand and fully supported it. I didn't really want to play Wooster, but it's not my program and I know coach Brewer after the committee decisions of the last few years wanted to leave no doubt as to the schedule we play.

You might think what I say is absurd, but so was West Virginia trying to count a loss against us as an exhibition game after the fact. But that happened. That's just one example.

As of now, none of this matters because we for some reason cannot catch a break against Otterbein. DeMark was cruising before his back acted up and we end up throwing a freshman in there against the heart of their order, without our pitching coach, who is not even at the park due to illness. Give Otterbein credit, but I'm starting to know how Ohio Wesleyan felt in the 90s when they had very very good teams but could not would not somehow get by Marietta.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 15, 2006, 06:53:09 am
The Mideast Regional information is up.  7 teams.  Here's the link:

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/baseball/06regional/

All the regionals are up at the NCAA site:

http://www.ncaasports.com/baseball/mens/story/9439692
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 15, 2006, 07:04:50 am
I've just noticed that in the last couple of days I've lost a couple of karma points.  Not that these are very important, but it does kind of annoy me that I was obviously smitten because I took offense to a new guy coming on the board who immediately jumped on Wooster's program by insinuating that they cancelled a game against his team in order to protect their national ranking.

Last winter I deserved what I got, or more.  I think this was unfair.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kcreds on May 15, 2006, 09:25:31 am
Wooster Booster: Join the crowd. It is very interesting to me that the powers to be even allow karma and who gets to use them is even more interesting. I started a very good topic on spring practices and agreed with most people on the issue but amazingly enough, no karma. It is just a tool for the ones that want to feel empowered or an incentive for someone to get on here and post junk just to get their numbers up. If God forbid you have a difference in opinion with a fan of a certain college that has many posters, watch out. It also allows individuals to be a coward and hide behind them. Like a lot of you on here, I'm not going to suck up to the karma carriers and no matter how many negative karmas I will get, I will still state my opinion. It is nice to be respected but not at the expense of your integrity. The ones that will disagree with me will be the ones that have them or the ones that don't get controversial with the ones that do. I for one appreciate all the posts and links. This is a wonderful site and I find myself visiting it several times a day. Karma or no karma, I like all of you guys.   
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 15, 2006, 06:49:39 pm
The All-Conference selections have been announced.  They're not posted on the NCAC Baseball page (http://www.northcoast.org/ba/ba.html), but some amateur sleuthing turned up the press release (http://www.northcoast.org/ba/baallncac06.pdf). 

I believe it's already been mentioned in here that Wooster swept the individual awards, although the press release indicates that the Coach of the Year award was split between Wooster's Tim Pettorini and Kenyon's Matt Burdette.

Overall, here's the representation by team:

East Division:
Allegheny: 2nd Team: P Drew Scibetta; Honorable Mention: C Zack Oblak
Hiram: Honorable Mention: 2B Jake Bailey, P John Prejsnar
Kenyon: 1st Team: SS Brendan Holsberry, 3B Matt Marcinczyk, OF Brad Reynolds; 2nd Team: OF Chad Rothschild; Honorable Mention: C Tyler Kavanaugh, 1B Blaise Milburn
Oberlin: Honorable Mention: 1B Joe Sheehan, SS Seth Binder
Wooster: 1st Team: DH Kurt Kapferer, OF Shaun Swearengen, P Jon Oliver, P Adam Samson; 2nd Team: C Brandon Boesinger, 2B Mike Barone, P Anthony Trapuzzano; Honorable Mention: 3B Oliver Enos, P Walt Samson

West Division:
Denison 1st Team: C A.J. Jezierski, 1B Lee Fischer, OF Todd Pitt; 2nd Team: P J.D. Wyborny; Honorable Mention: 3B Andy Johnson, P Dallas Puskar
Earlham: 2nd Team: OF Derreck Parkevich; Honorable Mention: C Cal Wilson, OF Eric Sturgeon
Ohio Wesleyan: 1st Team: 1B A.J. Dote, 2B Kyle Sherman, SS Brandon Williams, OF Adam Toney, P Sean Speed; 2nd Team: P Mike Krieger; Honorable Mention: 3B Sammy Hall, P Adam Dunn
Wabash: 2nd Team: 3B Jared Bogan, OF Phil Ramos; Honorable Mention: IF Matt Dodaro, P Chris Schmaltz
Wittenberg: 1st Team: P Jason Holmberg; 2nd Team: DH Brian Hampp, OF Pat Williams, P Steve Less; Honorable Mention: SS K.R. Schlievert, OF Matt Berry

Congratulations to these 48 outstanding student athletes!

Note: 3 first teamers from Dension, despite not making the playoffs, vs. only one for Wittenberg, which did.  Seems a little off-kilter to me.  Also it stands out that Wooster frosh SS John Quimby was left off the lists, despite being named the NCAC Newcomer of the Year and finishing in the top 10 in the league in six offensive categories, including a league-leading 54 RBIs.  Four other shortstops received all-conference accolades. ???
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 15, 2006, 09:18:12 pm
And even though I've just finished off half a large pitcher of margaritas, I can tell you that Allegheny's Drew Scibetta deserves to be a first-team pitcher.  Geeze, the guy struck out over 4,200 men in 11 innings of work...
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 16, 2006, 06:08:43 pm
I've just noticed that in the last couple of days I've lost a couple of karma points.  Not that these are very important, but it does kind of annoy me that I was obviously smitten because I took offense to a new guy coming on the board who immediately jumped on Wooster's program by insinuating that they cancelled a game against his team in order to protect their national ranking.

Last winter I deserved what I got, or more.  I think this was unfair.

Wooster Booster: Join the crowd. It is very interesting to me that the powers to be even allow karma and who gets to use them is even more interesting. I started a very good topic on spring practices and agreed with most people on the issue but amazingly enough, no karma. It is just a tool for the ones that want to feel empowered or an incentive for someone to get on here and post junk just to get their numbers up. If God forbid you have a difference in opinion with a fan of a certain college that has many posters, watch out. It also allows individuals to be a coward and hide behind them. Like a lot of you on here, I'm not going to suck up to the karma carriers and no matter how many negative karmas I will get, I will still state my opinion. It is nice to be respected but not at the expense of your integrity. The ones that will disagree with me will be the ones that have them or the ones that don't get controversial with the ones that do. I for one appreciate all the posts and links. This is a wonderful site and I find myself visiting it several times a day. Karma or no karma, I like all of you guys.   

Amen to that kcreds and WB!  Personally, the whole karma thing doesn't mean a whole lot to me in terms of interpreting someone's credibility on this board.  I look more at how many posts someone has.  To me, the # of posts goes a heck of a lot more than how many karma points they have or don't have.  Like you both said, many times you have something very interesting to add to the conversation in here and no one feels like giving karma, but the second you disagree or have an opinion that might be a bit contreversial and watch your karma drop faster than you can blink.  That's why I look at the # of posts before I check out whether or not a poster has a positive or negative karma.  I'm not going to be afraid of letting my true opinions be known just so I don't lose any karma points!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on May 16, 2006, 07:42:51 pm
when i joined the board a year ago, i inquired to why some of the OAC schools had rosters in football that dwarfed the NCAC schools...big time negative karma...i actually worried about my karma...shame on me...

"Red Stripe Beer and Regae"...helping the whiteman relax...
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on May 16, 2006, 10:55:22 pm
Good luck to the men of WOO this week as they defend their Mideast title.
May your pitchers throw strikes, fielders make plays and hitters find outfield grass with men on base.  Most of all, make the rest of us in the NCAC proud.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 16, 2006, 11:04:39 pm
Lol, thanks BASH.  And may the men of BASH continue their improvement next season and show the men of WITT the door.  :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on May 17, 2006, 08:12:05 pm
Nice game reports on the regional updates page.
Thanks to David Collinge for the Mideast updates from Terre Haute. 
Reminds me of Saturdays in the fall sitting in front of my computer following all the games in the midwest as I soak in the Colorado sunshine
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 18, 2006, 01:58:10 pm
The bad news is that Wooster lost their regional opener to Manchester, and now must face Otterbein in an elimination game.

The good news is that the Scots committed just one harmless error, a two-out throwing error by Adam Samson that did not result in a run. 

Wooster faced Ottebein twice in the regular season, with the Scots taking both.  Wooster won 13-5 at Westerville April 4 behind Anthony Trappuzano (6.1 IP, 5 R, 4 ER, 8 H, 1 BB, 6 K), today's likely starter.  Story (http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/recaps/2006/otterbein.php).  A week later, the Cardinals traveled north and dropped a 13-9 decision to the Scots.   Story (http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/recaps/2006/otterbein2.php).

Otterbein will likely start OAC Pitcher of the Year Dan Remenowsky (8-2, 1.64), who was held out of the Cardinals' first two regional games.  Remenowsky did not face the Scots in either game, nor in either game in last year's Terre Haute regional.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 18, 2006, 07:59:11 pm
Those regular season scoring totals are not at all indicative of what challenge for Wooster tonight will be like. Remenowsky is a probable all-american pitcher and was the OAC pitcher of the year over Eisenberg.

Tough spot. Weird spot.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 18, 2006, 08:28:13 pm
On the contrary, I believe that actual game results are at least somewhat indicative of how these teams might perform against each other.  This is especially true of Otterbein's batting line against the pitcher they're likely to see tonight.  I don't see how you can think otherwise.

And I did mention Remenowsky's bona fides and point out that the Scots had not faced him.  Maybe you didn't notice that.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on May 18, 2006, 09:42:27 pm
On the contrary, I believe that actual game results are at least somewhat indicative of how these teams might perform against each other. This is especially true of Otterbein's batting line against the pitcher they're likely to see tonight. I don't see how you can think otherwise.

And I did mention Remenowsky's bona fides and point out that the Scots had not faced him. Maybe you didn't notice that.

DC - I thought that you made it quite clear that the Scots would be up against a very good pitcher tonight.  In any case, Remenowsky is off to a great start.  Through the first 5 batters the offensive highlight was a popup to short by Enos!  After 2 innings he's the only Scot to put the ball in play.

1 - 0 Cardinals in the middle of the second.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 18, 2006, 11:37:21 pm
I assume the difference is crystal now.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 18, 2006, 11:47:25 pm
Gloat all you want, if it pleases you.  I applaud Remenowsky for an outstanding performance.  He's a special talent, and nobody in here has ever questioned that, despite what you want folks to think. 

In the meantime, Trappuzano also had a pretty good outing, holding Otterbein to 3 runs...not unlike his non-indicative performance against Ott in the regular season. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 18, 2006, 11:59:51 pm
13, 13, 1. You tell me if it was indicative.

Not quite the same when you can throw your best pitching and don't have mid-week conference doubleheaders to worry about against teams that are actually capable of beating you.

I never thought Trapuzzano wouldn't have a good outing.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 19, 2006, 11:37:26 am
First off, congrats to the Wooster seniors on their fine carreers on the diamond for the Scots. 

I don't know if shocking or disappointing is the better term to use when describing the abrupt end to the Scots' season.  I'm sitting here trying to figure out what went wrong for the Scots the past 2 days in Indidana, and the biggest thing I keep coming back to is the WEATHER!!! 

Think about it.  Wooster had Manchester's starter, Sprunger, on the ropes on Thursday evening before Mother Nature decided to interrupt things.  Wooster already had 4 runs in and had 2 on with one out when things were stopped.  Had the game not been stopped, who knows how many more runs Wooster could've have tagged on?  Not to mention the fact that John Oliver was cruising, only making one bad pitch through 4 innings of work.  He was well on his way to another complete game.  Add to all of that, the stoppage gave Manchester some needed rest.  The advantage of being the #1 seed was no longer an advantage. 

I'm not saying that things would be different had Mother Nature not interrupted.  Manchester is more than capable of putting up big #'s and they could have gotten to Oliver.  It just didn't look to good for the Spartans.  Wooster had all the Mo on their side and they seemed to have Sprunger figured out pretty well.  Then it all gets stopped and Manchester brings in their closer the following morning and he pitches lights out for 5.2 innings.  I know that the Scots have no one to blame but themselves for their poor showing in the Mideast Regional, but I'm putting a large portion of the blame on good ole Mother Nature!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 19, 2006, 04:13:11 pm
Rained for both teams. Wooster left 11 on base in the first 5 innings, didn't put it away when they should and Manchester came back and beat them. Manchester's a resilient, no-quit team with or without a rain delay. They were down 4-1 to Marietta today, but were hanging around just like they did against Wooster, just clinging to the edge of the game, then came from behind.

Waters and Remenowsky completely overpowered Wooster's perceived strength -- offense. Their down the line pitching was what it was expected to be -- decent, not great, but decent. One would think it was good enough to win for a team that was averaging like 11 runs per 9 innings. But that might have been a misleading stat.

Waters was coming in for Manchester against Wooster, rain or not, I suspect. Their MO in close games seems to be to keep it close long enough to get it to Waters. Obviously in a tourney situation, long enough is not as long as it was in the regular season.

Win that first game and only throwing Oliver 4 innings becomes a huge advantage. But if you lose, then yes, being the #1 seed doesn't matter anymore. Obviously.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 19, 2006, 05:34:50 pm
Rained for both teams. Wooster left 11 on base in the first 5 innings, didn't put it away when they should and Manchester came back and beat them. Manchester's a resilient, no-quit team with or without a rain delay. They were down 4-1 to Marietta today, but were hanging around just like they did against Wooster, just clinging to the edge of the game, then came from behind.

Waters and Remenowsky completely overpowered Wooster's perceived strength -- offense. Their down the line pitching was what it was expected to be -- decent, not great, but decent. One would think it was good enough to win for a team that was averaging like 11 runs per 9 innings. But that might have been a misleading stat.

Waters was coming in for Manchester against Wooster, rain or not, I suspect. Their MO in close games seems to be to keep it close long enough to get it to Waters. Obviously in a tourney situation, long enough is not as long as it was in the regular season.

Win that first game and only throwing Oliver 4 innings becomes a huge advantage. But if you lose, then yes, being the #1 seed doesn't matter anymore. Obviously.

Yes it rained for both teams.  Thanks for pointing out the obvious!  My point was that the rain clearly hurt Wooster more than it hurt Manchester.  As highlighted in your own quote, you said Manchester was bringing in Waters soon anyways, so their gameplan didn't have to change much as far as rearranging their pitching matchups.  I highly doubt that Coach Pettorini had any plans on removing Oliver anytime soon and even if and when that would have happened, he wouldn't have had to go to his #2 starter to complete the game.  Furthermore, Wooster had Sprunger on the ropes and you can't deny that.  Does Manchester rally against a solid pitcher like Oliver?  It's possible, but not likely.  All I'm saying is, the rain hurt Wooster a heck of a lot more than it hurt Manchester.

One other interesting tidbit.  Because of the rain, Wooster went from the possibility of having Thursday off, to having to play a game and a half.  The #7 seed Adrian Bulldogs went from having to face an elimination game on Thursday to having the day off!  Guess all those advantages for being the #1 seed were thrown right out the window when the rains came Wednesday night!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 19, 2006, 06:43:23 pm
You're confusing losing advantages from the rain with losing advantages from well, losing. You lost the advantages of being in the winner's bracket when you lost? Thank you Mr. Obvious!

Your post made it sound like you would hang 10 runs on Sprunger and I don't think that was going to be the case because he wouldn't have been left in long enough.

Look, if you couldn't score enough runs to beat teams with Samson and Trapuzzano throwing fairly well, then you weren't going to win the tournament anyway, even if it only took two wins. You still would have had to get by Marietta which knocked Waters around.

All you have to do is win. Score another run or two. Do something. Anything. Five runs is by almost half the least runs Manchester scored in the tournament. Wooster had every chance to win that game, rain, no rain, hail, fog, lightning (all of which we've had at one regional or another!).

Blaming the weather is just weak.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 20, 2006, 02:31:36 am

You still would have had to get by Marietta which knocked Waters around.


Wow, color me impressed!!!  I'm sure the 5.2 innings he pitched on Thursday against Wooster had nothing to do with him running out of gas in the 9th after already pitching 3 innings in that game against mighty Marietta?! ::)


Your post made it sound like you would hang 10 runs on Sprunger and I don't think that was going to be the case because he wouldn't have been left in long enough.


Where in my post did I say that Wooster would hang 10 runs on Sprunger?  All I said was that the Scots already put 4 up against him and had 2 on with only 1 out and were showing no signs of letting up.  Can you deny that fact??  I don't recall Manchester making any moves to their bullpen to that point?!  There's no denying Manchester caught a huge break by the game being called at that point in time and if you can't see it, let me know what you are smoking, because I'd like some too.

And as for this:


Blaming the weather is just weak.


Allow me to remind you of something else I said:


I'm not saying that things would be different had Mother Nature not interrupted.  Manchester is more than capable of putting up big #'s and they could have gotten to Oliver. 


Never did I completely put the Scot's collapse in this regional totally on the Weather!  Once again, from an earlier post:


I know that the Scots have no one to blame but themselves for their poor showing in the Mideast Regional, but I'm putting a large portion of the blame on good ole Mother Nature!

I was just simply stating that things could have been much different had Mother Nature not decided to drop in and interrupt things.  Again, if you can tell me that Wooster's chances wouldn't have been much better off had that game been able to conclude Wednesday night, I say let me know what you are on!  It's easy for you to sit back and act like a championship team should be able to overcome adversity such as that, which I admit, should be the case.  Wooster didn't respond to the adversity that was thrown their way and they didn't deserve to advance.  I just hope, should Marietta advance out of this regional, that Mother Nature doesn't decide to pay them a similar visit in Appleton?  ::) :-\
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on May 20, 2006, 08:20:56 am
I too give my congratulations to Wooster for a fine season despite the disappointing finish.  I will also concur with my NCAC brethren that the weather played a major role in how the whole regional took shape.  Wooster losing their ace to an overnight rain delay after 4 innings put them in a whole new position that they were unable to overcome.  Simply put, "They lost their mojo , baby"

Not saying that Otterbein & Marietta aren't still playing on Saturday as they are 2 very good teams. But, Spence's sour take on anything Wooster is getting hard to swallow.  Sounds too  much like the football board with the OAC posters constantly trying to beat down any NCAC team that threatens their domain.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 20, 2006, 02:26:44 pm

Wow, color me impressed!!!  I'm sure the 5.2 innings he pitched on Thursday against Wooster had nothing to do with him running out of gas in the 9th after already pitching 3 innings in that game against mighty Marietta?! ::)


Possibly, but we were getting good at-bats before the 9th.


Where in my post did I say that Wooster would hang 10 runs on Sprunger?  All I said was that the Scots already put 4 up against him and had 2 on with only 1 out and were showing no signs of letting up.  Can you deny that fact??


Facts are things that happened. Not things that theoretically were going to happen. You didn't say that Wooster was going to hang 10 or some large number on him but you said "who knows how many more runs" obviously implying it would have been more than a couple.


  I don't recall Manchester making any moves to their bullpen to that point?!  There's no denying Manchester caught a huge break by the game being called at that point in time and if you can't see it, let me know what you are smoking, because I'd like some too.


You make your own breaks. Wooster could have come out and put the game away, and still had Oliver to bring back strong later. That would have been a break.


I know that the Scots have no one to blame but themselves for their poor showing in the Mideast Regional, but I'm putting a large portion of the blame on good ole Mother Nature!


You're saying two different and contradictory things there. First you said the Scots have no one to blame but themselves (correct), and then you put most of the blame on the weather (incorrect). So because weather is not animate, you feel that's an accurate statement? Is that the game you're playing, or are you just being contradictory?

Oh and we've dealt plenty with weather. Something called the OAC tournament when we played 30 innings on Sunday. Never heard anyone blame the weather there.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 20, 2006, 10:11:23 pm

I know that the Scots have no one to blame but themselves for their poor showing in the Mideast Regional, but I'm putting a large portion of the blame on good ole Mother Nature!

You're saying two different and contradictory things there. First you said the Scots have no one to blame but themselves (correct), and then you put most of the blame on the weather (incorrect). So because weather is not animate, you feel that's an accurate statement? Is that the game you're playing, or are you just being contradictory?

If ScotsFan is actually a member of the baseball team, then it could be considered contradictory. However, if he's not a Scot, then the Scots can still have nobody to blame but themselves, while this fan can still partially blame the weather.

You might want to let it go, Spence.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 21, 2006, 03:49:09 pm
I've got nothing to let go of. If he wants to be contradictory and split hairs, whatever.

Why would he say that the Scots have no one to blame but themselves and then himself blame something else?

I don't think anyone has anything to blame anything on. They just weren't good enough.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2006, 04:58:48 pm
I've got nothing to let go of. If he wants to be contradictory and split hairs, whatever.

I'm not talking about you vs. one individual person.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 21, 2006, 11:39:36 pm
OK I'm confused then because you responded to that post in particular.

Whatever I'm good. I just think it's weak to blame the weather that affected everybody. Win the game and you're in the same situation as Marietta where you throw your ace 5 innings and bring him back on practically full rest.

Of course, that did very little good since we scored him only 1 run.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on July 08, 2006, 10:15:07 am
Matt Englander from COW is the new CWRU head coach.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on August 13, 2006, 10:23:51 am
Wooster has lost pitcher Ryan Mullins to DI Winthrop.  According to this morning's Wooster Daily Record, Mullins made the transfer to take advantage of a major that Winthrop offers in Sports Management, plus the fact that he'll receive a partial scholarship.  Mullins spent much of last season at Wooster recovering from an apendectomy, but had a terrific summer pitching in the Great Lakes Collegiate (wooden bat) League for the Columbus All-Americans.

Speaking of that league, Wooster catcher Brandon Boesiger played for the Delaware Cows.  He received only limited playing time, and I don't know why, except that the team had two other catchers.  However, by playoff time, Boesiger was usually on the field.

For the season he went 10-31 for a .323 average, with two doubles and a triple.  As per his custom, he was hit by six pitches giving him an OBP of .512.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on August 17, 2006, 02:52:57 am
FYI on Mullins and Winthrop. Winthrop coach Joe Hudak is a Malone College grad (1972) from New Castle, PA and has had a number of Ohio, PA and W.Va. players, including Boardman's Matt Repec, who was drafted this year. They're no ordinary program, they were a 2 seed in North Carolina's regional, going 46-18. But it's probably not random that Mullins is going to Winthrop as opposed to some other school.

I've heard rumblings about a transfer or two at Marietta as well, but don't know details. Oh well, it happens. Kids don't make grades, financial aid falls through, transfer...

Both MC and Wooster have gotten what appear to be solid recruits out of the Pittsburgh area this year, and to complete the circle, one of Marietta's is an Air Force brat that lived in South Carolina two years ago!

Do you any of you Woosterians (?) know anything about Erik Mathis or Tyler Kraker? Supposedly both of them are going to Marietta. Wish I was going to be up north for freshman reporting day...always fun to see the new batch throw and run for the first time in "Heaven."
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 02, 2007, 01:06:31 pm
From the no news is weird news department:

The College of Wooster's baseball schedule has still not been posted on their website.  Usually, it's up there around mid-December.  Also, the COW is not among the teams listed in the Ft. Myer's area Gene Cusic Classic, where they have now played during spring break for the last few years.

Anybody have any idea what's up with them?  Are they taking a different tack this season, maybe going to a different locale in Florida or even to another warm weather area?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 04, 2007, 11:24:29 am
From the no news is weird news department:

The College of Wooster's baseball schedule has still not been posted on their website.  Usually, it's up there around mid-December.  Also, the COW is not among the teams listed in the Ft. Myer's area Gene Cusic Classic, where they have now played during spring break for the last few years.

Anybody have any idea what's up with them?  Are they taking a different tack this season, maybe going to a different locale in Florida or even to another warm weather area?
I noticed that as well WB.  I did notice that there was a link posted for a preseason poll.  You can check it out here:

Collegiate Baseball Newspaper's NCAA Div. III Pre-Season Poll  (http://www.baseballnews.com/polls/divIII/currentpolldiviii.htm). 

Wooster is checking in at #13.  Other notables and I'm sure that spence will find reason to bitch about it are Ott getting the bullseye as the preseason #1 and the defending champs, 'Etta checking in at #7.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain Morgan on January 04, 2007, 06:09:05 pm
From the no news is weird news department:

The College of Wooster's baseball schedule has still not been posted on their website.  Usually, it's up there around mid-December.  Also, the COW is not among the teams listed in the Ft. Myer's area Gene Cusic Classic, where they have now played during spring break for the last few years.

Anybody have any idea what's up with them?  Are they taking a different tack this season, maybe going to a different locale in Florida or even to another warm weather area?
I noticed that as well WB.  I did notice that there was a link posted for a preseason poll.  You can check it out here:

Collegiate Baseball Newspaper's NCAA Div. III Pre-Season Poll  (http://www.baseballnews.com/polls/divIII/currentpolldiviii.htm). 

Wooster is checking in at #13.  Other notables and I'm sure that spence will find reason to bitch about it are Ott getting the bullseye as the preseason #1 and the defending champs, 'Etta checking in at #7.

Boy, listening to Spence complain about the lack of respect for Marietta would make me feel that baseball season as back.

Big Poppa had a great quote about Spence in another thread about him only seeing the world through Marietta's glasses. I was surprised to learn that BigPoppa did not take a college job this off-season and took a high school job instead. Must have been some deal as many of college jobs in the Midwest opened last year and he told me that he did not apply for any of them.

Is D3hoops.com going to do a pre-season poll like they do for hoops?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 06:41:14 pm
The good news is that Pat Coleman has turned the dogs loose again, and Jim Dixon and I are trying to put something together in advance of the baseball season, maybe February 1st.

Please view our efforts as a work-in-progress from D3 baseball fans who will always accept hyperlinks, news tips, informative posts and constructive criticism.  We seem to be building this from scratch on a successful platform that is d3hoops.com and d3football.com.

I am extremely grateful for the plethora of information and the numerous contacts that Jim Dixon brings to this endeavor. :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: MCSpartan on January 05, 2007, 07:26:23 pm
From the no news is weird news department:

The College of Wooster's baseball schedule has still not been posted on their website.  Usually, it's up there around mid-December.  Also, the COW is not among the teams listed in the Ft. Myer's area Gene Cusic Classic, where they have now played during spring break for the last few years.

Anybody have any idea what's up with them?  Are they taking a different tack this season, maybe going to a different locale in Florida or even to another warm weather area?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: MCSpartan on January 05, 2007, 07:29:08 pm
I am not sure where wooster is playing for spring break.  But I have heard from an assistant coach from the HCAC that went to Manchester with me that the spartans have a tough spring break schedule.  They will be playing Wooster, Ott, and Wis- Stevens Pointe.  But I am not sure if that is a fact, but if it is with those teams there some good games may come from it. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on January 06, 2007, 12:23:42 pm
It looks like you received good information... Wooster is listed as an opponent on Wisconsin - Steves Pointe's 2007 schedule.  The location is Port Charlotte... so it must be the Russ Matt tournament there.

http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/baseball/schedule.htm

A lot of schools are starting to post the spring trip games on their web sites...
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 09, 2007, 10:57:02 am
Bob -

You're correct, it appears that Wooster is playing in that Russ Matt Tournament in Port Charlotte.  The Rowan University baseball schedule lists Wooster as an opponent on March 14th.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on January 09, 2007, 01:40:29 pm
Is Otterbein going to be the real deal? I guess I am not a believer in them yet. Who do they play down south this year?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 10, 2007, 02:54:48 am
Is Otterbein going to be the real deal? I guess I am not a believer in them yet. Who do they play down south this year?

Otterbein has ther complete team back and last year nearly made the Championship round.  I expect god things to come the Cardinal's way.  The rest of the  prenial contenders have big shoes to fill which leads me (and others) to think Otterbein is the "real deal"
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on January 10, 2007, 10:24:11 am
Is Otterbein going to be the real deal? I guess I am not a believer in them yet. Who do they play down south this year?

Otterbein has ther complete team back and last year nearly made the Championship round.  I expect god things to come the Cardinal's way.  The rest of the  prenial contenders have big shoes to fill which leads me (and others) to think Otterbein is the "real deal"

Jim- Sounds like you know them well. I will trust you on that one.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 11, 2007, 10:25:13 am
Here is the 2007 College of Wooster Baseball Schedule.  They have, indeed, moved to Port Charlotte from Ft. Myers, for their Florida trip.  This year, they'll play their Allegheny league games in Florida instead of those against Oberlin as they've done for at least the last two years. 

Only 7 home dates for a total of 10 games.  A 3-game home series against Wabash, the first time I can remember Wooster hosting them.  A road game against D1 Kent State.  The NCAC tournament at Denision (lights added to their field last season) instead of Wittenberg.
 
March 11 vs. Anderson^ (2) 12:30
March 12 vs. Greenville^ (2) 12:30
March 14 vs. Rowan^ 4:30
March 15 vs. Transylvania^ 3:00
March 16 vs. Ohio Wesleyan^ 9:00
March 17 vs. Wis.-Stevens Point^ 3:00
March 19 vs. Clarkson (N.Y.)^ 11:30
March 20 vs. Manchester^ 10:30
March 21 vs. Messiah^ 9:30
March 23 vs. Allegheny^* (2) 12:30
March 24 vs. Allegheny^* (2) 9:30
March 29 at Baldwin-Wallace 3:30
March 31 at Kenyon* (2) 1:00
April 1 at Kenyon* (2) 1:00
April 4 MARIETTA 4:00
April 6 OBERLIN* (2) 1:00
April 7 OBERLIN* (2) 1:00
April 11 at Kent State 3:00
April 12 at Otterbein 4:00
April 14 WABASH (2) 1:00
April 15 WABASH Noon
April 18 MUSKINGUM 4:00
April 19 at Heidelberg 4:00
April 21 at Hiram* (2) 1:00
April 22 at Hiram* (2) 1:00
April 24 OTTERBEIN 4:00
April 25 at Denison 7:00
May 1 at Ohio Northern 4:00
May 2 at John Carroll 4:00
May 5-6 NCAC Tournament Semifinal Series TBD
May 10-11 NCAC Tournament Championship Series (at Granville, Ohio) TBD
May 16-20 NCAA Div. III Mideast Regional Tournament TBD

(2) indicates doubleheader
^ indicates games at Port Charlotte, Fla.
CAPS indicate home games at Art Murray Field
* indicates North Coast Athletic Conference East Division games

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 29, 2007, 05:08:38 pm
I believe Wabash officially kicked off the spring season with the first practice of the year today.  We're hovering around 10°F here in central Indiana today...couldn't ask for a better day to kick off baseball season.   ::)

BTW, Wabash will repeat their "cactus league" opening trip this year at the Greater Phoenix Invitational down in AZ.  Wabash's first game is against Wartburg on 3/4. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain Morgan on January 30, 2007, 02:56:41 pm
Is Otterbein going to be the real deal? I guess I am not a believer in them yet. Who do they play down south this year?

OVER RATED!!!!! OVER RATED!!! OVER RATED!!!


Big Poppa- I have a feeling that they are ranked a bit high. Certainly a top 30 team, but not #1.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on January 30, 2007, 03:16:37 pm
Is Otterbein going to be the real deal? I guess I am not a believer in them yet. Who do they play down south this year?

OVER RATED!!!!! OVER RATED!!! OVER RATED!!!


Big Poppa- I have a feeling that they are ranked a bit high. Certainly a top 30 team, but not #1.

We will know in a few weeks when everyone kicks off, huh? I always find it hard to bet against Marrietta in that region.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 30, 2007, 05:04:26 pm
Otterbein and Marietta are OAC teams, right?  If not, our conference just got a whole lot more difficult.   ;D
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on February 15, 2007, 12:17:49 am
I believe Wabash officially kicked off the spring season with the first practice of the year today.  We're hovering around 10°F here in central Indiana today...couldn't ask for a better day to kick off baseball season.   ::)

BTW, Wabash will repeat their "cactus league" opening trip this year at the Greater Phoenix Invitational down in AZ.  Wabash's first game is against Wartburg on 3/4. 

It would be nice to have that info available, oh, maybe on the website.

In the absence of Wabash baseball I'll have to settle for Div-I games this weekend, despite the cold (for Texas) weather.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on February 15, 2007, 02:59:52 pm
[quote author=Li'l Giant
It would be nice to have that info available, oh, maybe on the website.

You can keep up with all of the diamond news on the Wabash Baseball Blog - "On Deck Circle"
Coach Stevens has done a great job at keeping fans, parents, alumni and recruits informed about what's going on this off-season and into the pre-season.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on February 15, 2007, 08:47:22 pm
Thanks, 6-4-3, I'll check it out.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WoosterFAN on February 20, 2007, 03:53:45 pm
I am not sure how long the roster has been out on the Wooster Website. 
Here are some notes, just at first glance:

- Wooster has really been hitting Pittsburgh area hard.  Three kids out of Steeler country coming to COW were all-Section by the Post-Gazette voted by area coaches:

P/IF Matt Barnes City League
IF Justin Thomas Class AA
1b Frankie Quirin Class AAAA

And I count 9 nine Freshman pitchers to add to the staff that lost 3 or 4 seniors.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 02, 2007, 08:25:12 am
Six Killed in Bluffton baseball bus crash... this is just awful.   Our thoughts and prayers to all in the Bluffton Family:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6522208
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 03, 2007, 10:48:06 am
Wabash website announces that the baseball games in Phoenix this week will be broadcast by Teamline, with video feed for selected games.  Also live game stats provided on the baseball website.   Nice!
Still have snow covering my front yard here in Denver ... but I can practically smell the freshly cut infield grass down south.

Here's the link for Teamline:
http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=4443
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on March 03, 2007, 07:49:50 pm
Wabash website announces that the baseball games in Phoenix this week will be broadcast by Teamline, with video feed for selected games.  Also live game stats provided on the baseball website.   Nice!
Still have snow covering my front yard here in Denver ... but I can practically smell the freshly cut infield grass down south.

Here's the link for Teamline:
http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=4443

I had a hard time turning the truck west back to Texas instead of heading to Phoenix after my week in Albuquerque this week. One of these days I'll take some vacation (ha, yeah right) and go see some spring baseball.

At least I'll be able to hear the games, though. I'm ready for some Wabash baseball.

Wabash always fights!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on March 06, 2007, 12:58:44 am
Baseball season is upon us! 

Wabash dropped their first two games of the Arizona trip to Wartburg by scores that I care not to mention on Sunday but bounced back with a sweep over Lebanon Valley in today's action.  Wabash got complete games from Joey Neizer (who was recently mentioned in an ESPN.com article I saw about the mysterious "gyroball") and TJ Siple.  Wabash needed the complete games as the Little Giant bullpen got a workout on Sunday.  Congrats to Coach Stevens on his first wins as head coach at Wabash.

Wabash (2-2) is back in action with a doubleheader against Rochester Institute of Technology Tuesday morning. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 10, 2007, 08:36:27 am
I know that Wooster is still alive in the hoops tournament, but baseball starts tomorrow for the Scots down in  sunny FLA with a double header vs. Anderson!

Here's a preview article on Wooster from the Daily Mistake for anyone interested:

'Scots ready to answer questions' (http://www.the-daily-record.com/news/article/1700441)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 11, 2007, 12:53:27 pm
Wooster's doubleheader against Anderson is being netcast through the Anderson website.  Wooster leads 1-0 in the second, senior catcher Brandon Boesiger having hit the first pitch of the season over the wall for a homerun!

Now, these wonderul announcers, an inning later, reveal that it was Jake Sankal who hit the first-inning homer.  Amazing.  They can't pronounce the name of the school, the names of the players, the names of towns.  Worst I've heard all year.  ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 12, 2007, 08:10:34 am
Wooster won their opener over Anderson yesterday 7-5.  I couldn't find any results for the 2nd game of the DH.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 12, 2007, 08:55:38 am
Wooster won their opener over Anderson yesterday 7-5.  I couldn't find any results for the 2nd game of the DH.

They were winning around 6 or 7 to nothing in about the 4th inning when I turned it off.  Trappazano was on the mound and had already struck out about 8 or 9, including the side in the last inning that I listened to.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 12, 2007, 08:59:03 am
Was that supposed to be a DH yesterday?  I know it's listed as a DH on Wooster's schedule, but it doesn't appear to be listed that way on Anderson's schedule.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 12, 2007, 02:17:22 pm
It definitely was a DH.  I listened to almost all of the first game, including the finish, and about the first four innings of the second game.

Another DH today, happening as I type, unless rain or invading soccer players intervened.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 13, 2007, 08:50:24 am
Wooster ended up sweeping Anderson winning the nightcap 9-0! :)

Haven't seen any results on yesterdays DH with Greenville.

Today, they take on #24 Rowan for two.  This is a series that has been budding into somewhat of a rivalry over the past few seasons.  They meet each year down in FLA and when the Scots made their trip to the DIII World Series a couple of years back, guess who was there?  Rowan.   
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 13, 2007, 09:17:06 am
Are the games being broadcasted through the link at the Scots site? I remember listening last spring, but I do not recall if that is where I was getting the feed. Good start for the Scots.

Thanks
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 13, 2007, 10:52:53 am
Wooster's site is updated, but without box scores.

Defeated Anderson 7-5 (9 innings and 9-0
Defeated Greenville 13-5, 10-2
Overall Record 4-0
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 13, 2007, 12:09:52 pm
Good start for the Scots.  It hasn't taken them long to find their bats as they are scoring 9.75 rpg in their 1st 4 contests!  Their preview said that they weren't worried about scoring runs (and is that ever really a concern at Wooster?).  It was the pitching that was going to be in question for the Scots this season.

I'm looking for Rowan to give them a more formidable challenge tomorrow!

Are the games being broadcasted through the link at the Scots site? I remember listening last spring, but I do not recall if that is where I was getting the feed. 

Thanks
I don't know if all the games are being broadcast from down in FLA, but I did see where tomorrow's game against Rowan at 4:30 will be broadcast over the net on WQKT.  Here is the link:

Wooster vs. Rowan Broadcast (http://wqkt.com/skeleton.php?sports=true)

If I notice any more games scheduled to be broadcast, I'll post the links on here.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 13, 2007, 09:08:13 pm
Wabash goes 3-6-1 in Phoenix.  Played some very close games the second half of the week that hopefully will benefit this young squad.  Still (same story past few years) not getting the timely hit and making the costly error when the game is on the line and thus the losing record.

A chance to get things right tomorrow.  Scheduled at DePauw for a single 9 inning game.  Time to break the 7 year losing streak to the long-time rival.
How's the weather look in Hoosierland?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 15, 2007, 01:51:37 am
Wooster defeated Rowan 7-5.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 15, 2007, 08:56:47 am
Wooster defeated Rowan 7-5.
Wooster actually trailed 5-1 in this contest and 5-2 in the 8th when they rallied to plate 4 runs (3 with 3 outs) to take the lead!  Wooster's John Quimby added a monster HR in the 9th for insurance!  Freshman Matt Barnes threw 2 innings of scoreless relief to gain his 2nd win on the young season.  He started and threw 4 scoreless innings in a win over Greenville on Monday.    Wooster is now 5-0 on their spring trip. 

Next up is Transylvania this afternoon at 3:00.  The Pios could be another good test as they are off to an 8-2 start so it should be a good game!  No radio link that I could find either.  It looks as though that Rowan game is the only one that will be broadcast from down in Port Charlotte.  I don't really understand why WQKT would send a crew down to FLA just to broadcast one game?  Oh well...
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 15, 2007, 11:22:01 am
I see Transy is off to a good start under an interim coach. They're 8-2.
Transy baseball (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/baseball/07schedule.htm-folder-men-sub-baseball-topic-baseball)*

Not sure on the quality of teams they've played.

I'd like to see Wooster's defense improve. I know they're probably moving some guys around, but they've had too many errors.

Keep winning.

(*Moderator's note:  The URL has been edited for brevity.  Thanks for posting and welcome, county road--RT.  For those of you who are new to the boards, we have set up the posting sections by the Evaluation Regions.)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 15, 2007, 03:34:41 pm
I saw a plea on one of the other boards to keep posting about your team even if they are not winning in order to keep some balance to the board.

Well as painful as it is to say.... Wabash blows a 7-0 lead and falls to DePauw 8-7.  This is the 3rd loss already this season where the LG's have lost in the final at bat.
Wabash record falls to 3-7-1.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 16, 2007, 12:36:38 am
Bash,

Definitely keep us posted on the goings of Wabash.  That sucks to lose to DePauw like that!

Wooster goes to 6-0 today downing Transy 7-2.  No box score available so I can't say who picked up the win, but I'm guessing it was Trappuzzano.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 17, 2007, 08:53:43 am
Wooster stays perfect on their spring break trip defeating OWU 10-1!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 18, 2007, 03:17:44 pm
Wooster continues to have a very impressive trip to FLA remaining undefeated with an 8-7 win over preseason  #5 UWSP in 11 innings!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2007, 04:03:59 pm
I saw a plea on one of the other boards to keep posting about your team even if they are not winning in order to keep some balance to the board.

Well as painful as it is to say.... Wabash blows a 7-0 lead and falls to DePauw 8-7.  This is the 3rd loss already this season where the LG's have lost in the final at bat.
Wabash record falls to 3-7-1.
+1 Bash 6-4-3,

As tough as that may have been, your valuable service is still appreciated.  To acknowledge that Wabash was not the winner of that game is difficult.

(Is there a ceremonial Monon Resin Bag?   ;D :D ;D )
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on March 18, 2007, 08:28:18 pm
Wabash dropped 2 of 3 games this weekend. They lost to Tri-State 8-6 early Saturday, then beat UW-Platteville 4-3 in the nightcap.

On Sunday, a 9th inning comeback came up short against Platteville and Wabash fell 7-6.

The LGs are 4-9-1 on the season and play Anderson next on Tuesday.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: bufordscot on March 19, 2007, 02:58:45 pm
Wooster defeated Rowan 7-5.
Wooster actually trailed 5-1 in this contest and 5-2 in the 8th when they rallied to plate 4 runs (3 with 3 outs) to take the lead!  Wooster's John Quimby added a monster HR in the 9th for insurance!  Freshman Matt Barnes threw 2 innings of scoreless relief to gain his 2nd win on the young season.  He started and threw 4 scoreless innings in a win over Greenville on Monday.    Wooster is now 5-0 on their spring trip. 

Next up is Transylvania this afternoon at 3:00.  The Pios could be another good test as they are off to an 8-2 start so it should be a good game!  No radio link that I could find either.  It looks as though that Rowan game is the only one that will be broadcast from down in Port Charlotte.  I don't really understand why WQKT would send a crew down to FLA just to broadcast one game?  Oh well...

 3 runs with 3 outs, that's impressive ;D.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Rhett on March 22, 2007, 03:57:55 am
Any word on why Case @ Denison was cancelled yesterday?  Was it weather?

Is it totally cancelled, or will they make it up?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 22, 2007, 09:51:07 am
Wooster extended its record to 11-0 yesterday with a 5-4 win over Messiah in 11 innings.  A day off today is followed by back-to-back league doubleheaders against NCAC eastern division foe Allegheny.  These four contests, which would have been home games for the Scots, are the team's final games in Port Charlotte.

Some boxscores are up on the Scots website, but some are still missing, and the cumulative stats which had been there earlier are now gone.  Still, it seems from the game scores that Wooster is getting some very nice production from their freshmen pitchers, which is very important for their continued success this season. 

The Scots are only allowing 3.24 runs per 9 innings.  If even only 6 of the 30 runs that the team has surrendered are unearned that would put Wooster's ERA under 3.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 22, 2007, 10:30:43 am
The conference games get under way this weekend.  Besides the Wooster-Allegheny matchup in FL, Wabash travels to Denison in a ket NCAC West contest.  Denison and OWU have given the Little Giants fits in the past.  A good showing here for Wabash would really set things up to be interesting the rest of the season.

In a mid-week tuneup, Wabash improves to 5-9-1 with an extra inning 8-7 win against Anderson.  Another game settled in the last at bat for the LG's, something that occurs almost on a daily basis this season.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 22, 2007, 10:35:08 am
Wooster extended its record to 11-0 yesterday with a 5-4 win over Messiah in 11 innings. 

This also matches Wooster's best start since 1995! :o  That's pretty impressive considering the fact that Wooster has fielded some pretty darn good teams since '95.

The Scots are only allowing 3.24 runs per 9 innings.  If even only 6 of the 30 runs that the team has surrendered are unearned that would put Wooster's ERA under 3.

I'm guessing that would be a low estimate of unearned runs.  Fielding has been  a real sore spot for Wooster for some time now.  For as good as their hitting and pitching has been in recent years, their fielding has gone downhill over the past couple of seasons and doesn't seem to be getting better so far this season.  It's funny that in the season previews that the questions seemed to be surrounding pitching.  Maybe those questions should have been surrounding fielding??  ???
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 22, 2007, 10:37:45 am
Another game settled in the last at bat for the LG's, something that occurs almost on a daily basis this season.
This Wabash team might just take over the knickname 'cardiac kids' as they seem to be giving their supporters heartstoppers in each and every game, whether they win or lose. ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 23, 2007, 09:02:15 am
Wooster's fielding has been bad for a few seasons now.  Their baserunning was not that best last year either.


Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 23, 2007, 09:11:47 am
Wooster not only brings a record of 11-0 into today's doubleheader against Allegheny, but the Gators will enter the contests still winless on the season at 0-6.  It's unlikely that this confluence of disparate records has ever happened before when these two teams have taken the field.

Wooster's ERA is 2.13, certainly the lowest that I can remember the Scots posting at this stage of the season.  Freshman Mark Miller has thrown 13 scoreless innings to lead the team.

Offensively, despite regulars Shaun Swearingen, Brandon Boesiger, and John Quimby getting off to slow starts, the team is hitting .342 and slugging .530.  A surprise leader in the HBP category, formerly dominated by Boesiger, is first baseman Sheldon Steiner with 6.  Freshman Justin Thomas is at .350 with 3 doubles and 2 homers in only 20 at bats.

Defensively, the Scots are not terrible, coming in at a team .958.  Shortstop Quimby and third baseman Skulina, however, are both under .900 and need to improve.  So do the Scot pitchers, who have combined for 6 of the team's 18 errors, Adam Samson contributing 3 of these.

Let's take two today, then two more tomorrow, then come home!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on March 23, 2007, 09:24:31 am
A surprise leader in the HBP category, formerly dominated by Boesiger, is first baseman Sheldon Steiner with 6.  

I don't remember the numbers, but doesn't Boesinger have a chance to break the NCAA career record for HBP this year?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 23, 2007, 09:37:31 am
Yep.  Boesiger has 61 HBP coming into this season.  I can't find the website that had the records listed but the Scot media guide says that he needs just 14 HBP this season to break the NCAA record. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 23, 2007, 03:57:42 pm
Keving Sangiolo- 75 HBP in 163 games at Blackburn from 01-04.

Huge File below.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/baseball/baseball_records_book/2007/2007_baseball_records.pdf
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 23, 2007, 05:04:45 pm
The Scots are only allowing 3.24 runs per 9 innings.  If even only 6 of the 30 runs that the team has surrendered are unearned that would put Wooster's ERA under 3.

No guessing need:

Player                 ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV     IP     H   R   ER   BB  SO   B/Avg
Wooster Team.  2.13  11-0    11   11    0      1/1        1   97.0  77  36  23  35 107    .213 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ibt100 on March 23, 2007, 08:14:40 pm
They are playing .good baseball.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 23, 2007, 10:44:51 pm
Wooster swept the first doubleheader from Allegheny by scores of 7-2 and 12-4 to go to 13-0 on the year.  Adam Samson went the distance in game one while Matt DeGrand and John Warren shared the duty in the second, DeGrand picking up the victory, at least according to the Allegheny website.  DeGrand went 4 2/3 innings.  Is that enough to get the win in a seven-inning game?

Wooster hit 6 homeruns on the day.  However, their pitchers also hit 4 guys, continueing a new trend this season.  Wooster pitchers have now hit 19 opponents in 13 games.  Not that I have anything against Allegheny players getting plunked, but let's make sure it happens after the game is well-decided. :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 24, 2007, 04:29:18 pm
Wooster takes the second DH from Allegheny, 9-5 and 5-0.  The Scots open at 15-0 while Allegheny drops to 0-10.  Who'da thunk it?  :o
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 24, 2007, 08:26:49 pm
Not sure the NCAC's ever been worse. The NCAC East is an abject joke apart from Wooster. Not their fault necessarily and doesn't take anything away from them, but I'm just stating the fact. Allegheny used to be a regional-quality team and the NCAC had some good teams at the top (though the bottom's always been bad). Now Wesleyan's down a peg, Denison's down, Allegheny's way down.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 25, 2007, 07:24:46 am
Yes you're right.  It's not looking very competitive. It's a good thing that Wooster has scheduled some tough out of conference games. Otterbein twice, Marietta, Kent State, and Muskingum.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 25, 2007, 07:36:56 am
Yeah. I'm still not sold on Muskingum (their schedule so far leaves a lot to be desired) but it'll come out in the wash soon enough. Seems Wooster did about as well as can be expected on scheduling regional opponents outside the conference.

Is the Wabash series mandated by the NCAC somehow? I notice that's the only 3 game series they play against a Western opponent.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 25, 2007, 11:46:18 am
Muskingum did beat Wooster last season, so they can play them tough.  Their spring opponents were not top tier by any means.  They still have won 13 in a row.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 25, 2007, 02:58:28 pm
Over the last few seasons Wooster has generally played some games against one or two western division NCAC opponents.  Looking back at the results, it's hard to divulge a pattern to this (although they are mixing them up), especially since I believe some of the originally scheduled games ended up as casualties of inclement weather.  Which leads me to believe that it's not mandated by the NCAC but Wooster's choice to do this.  Just an educated guess, though.  And I believe that this is the first time Wabash has been on the schedule in a while.

While Wooster's Florida opponents turned out not to be top tier, it seems as if an effort in that direction was made during scheduling.  There are some good programs in there going through down pereiods.  I have no idea what happened to the Gators, who just a few years ago were nearly the equal of the Scots and very dangerous.  Now, they're playing as if they're nearly extinct.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 25, 2007, 08:13:31 pm
Fair enough.

Allegheny's been on a pretty steady decline since coach Creehan stepped down several years ago. They really weren't very good the last couple years, but this year the bottom's fallen out.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 25, 2007, 11:42:05 pm
Muskingum did beat Wooster last season, so they can play them tough.  Their spring opponents were not top tier by any means.  They still have won 13 in a row.
Muskingum lost twice to Wooster last season.  The Scots played them at Wooster and won 16-1 and then the Scots beat the Muskies at Muskingum 6-2 in the regular season finale.

Yes, Wooster's spring opponents weren't top tier by any means, but they did include 3 teams ranked in the preseason poll.  And, they have won 15 in a row which is never an easy task no matter how weak the competition may be.  They have eclipsed their previous best start in school history by 4 games now!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 26, 2007, 10:10:48 am
Wow, I am confused with the 2005 season.  Man I'm getting old.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 26, 2007, 11:37:48 am
Muskingum did beat Wooster last season, so they can play them tough.  Their spring opponents were not top tier by any means.  They still have won 13 in a row.
Muskingum lost twice to Wooster last season.  The Scots played them at Wooster and won 16-1 and then the Scots beat the Muskies at Muskingum 6-2 in the regular season finale.

Yes, Wooster's spring opponents weren't top tier by any means, but they did include 3 teams ranked in the preseason poll.  And, they have won 15 in a row which is never an easy task no matter how weak the competition may be.  They have eclipsed their previous best start in school history by 4 games now!

No doubt...it's unfortunate that Rowan and Manchester haven't been up to their recent standard, at least so far. I'm not sure that we'll ever really have a fix on how good a tournament team Wooster might be until the tournament, at least pitching-wise, because their top pitchers will be throwing against their divisional opponents and I don't really seen any of those being much of a challenge.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 26, 2007, 12:05:09 pm
because their top pitchers will be throwing against their divisional opponents and I don't really seen any of those being much of a challenge.

March 29 at Baldwin-Wallace 3:30
March 31 at Kenyon* (2) 1:00
April 1 at Kenyon* (2) 1:00
April 4 MARIETTA 4:00
April 6 OBERLIN* (2) 1:00
April 7 OBERLIN* (2) 1:00
April 11 at Kent State 3:00
April 12 at Otterbein 4:00
April 14 WABASH (2) 1:00
April 15 WABASH Noon
April 18 MUSKINGUM 4:00
April 19 at Heidelberg 4:00
April 21 at Hiram* (2) 1:00
April 22 at Hiram* (2) 1:00
April 24 OTTERBEIN 4:00
April 25 at Denison 7:00
May 1 at Ohio Northern 4:00
May 2 at John Carroll 4:00

I've been wondering how this will play out.  For instance, the game against Marietta sits in a soft spot between weak league foes Kenyon and Oberlin.  If the Kenyon series goes well and the staff is not pushed, some of the front-line pitching may get to work short innings against Marietta, especially with only Oberlin on the horizon.

Then there's a big gap of non-league games, if you include Wabash as such since they're western division.  Wooster should be able to use the top of their staff on the road against Kent State and Otterbein.  I'm hoping that they do, just to see how they stand up.  The second time around against Otterbein, at Wooster, might be a different story, coming on the heels of the four-game series at Hiram.

The other thing to consider is that the roles on the Wooster staff, outside of Samson and Trapazzano, are probably not yet set in stone.  Barnes and DeGrand have been the 3 and 4 starters so far, and have done very well, but I'd be surprised if Mark Miller, who's allowed only 2 hits in 14 relief innings, isn't given a chance to open a ballgame.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 26, 2007, 07:46:05 pm
I thought about that too actually but I wasn't about to give anyone any help on the idea!

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 27, 2007, 10:05:45 am
Wooster is the new #1 team in the land for this weeks poll!  They jump from 15 to 1 in just one poll cycle.  As I said on the D3 Baseball Polls board, I am a bit shocked to see Wooster jump all the way to #1 even with their great start. 

Also of note, Marietta dropped down to #25 which is a bit unfair also IMO.  I still feel that they are a legit top 10 team by far and I definately don't see a team like Transy as being ranked ahead of them.  And Ott went from preseason #1 to out of the top 25 in one poll cycle.  The Cards were definitely a bit overrated, but to drop them completely out of the top 25 is a bit much.

Here's the link to the poll:

D3 Baseball Poll for March 26, 2007 (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll.html)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 27, 2007, 02:21:34 pm
Congratulations to the Wooster Scots on their great start and recognition in the latest poll.  We all know it's early and a lot of baseball to be played, but the recognition is still a plus for this conference.

In the NCAC West Denison sweeps Wabash 4-0 over the weekend.  My feeling is that Denison probably isn't that far down from the last few years.  Their spring trip record was unimpressive but the schedule was pretty competitive.  Coach Craddock is very respected and has done a wail of a job with that program.  I look to see the Big Red right there to the end in conference play.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 29, 2007, 07:37:59 pm
Any news on whether or not the Scots were able to continue their win streak in their home opener today?  I'm down in David Collinge's old neck of the woods in Baton Rouge for the week visiting family and friends.  I'm making my first trip to New Orleans tomorrow!  Won't be able to take in all that New Orleans has to offer with twin 3 year olds and a 20 month old in tow, but I'll make the best of it! 8)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 29, 2007, 07:42:25 pm
Heck they might still be playing.

It was 18-12 Wooster after 7, and a scant 3 and a half hours after the start.

Sunset is about a quarter till, so they may not have gotten 9 in.

Ugly performance from both teams it sounded like.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 29, 2007, 08:17:54 pm
Both websites have the final score up as 18-12.  I was up there at BW and lasted through 4 1/2 innings of little league level baseball in cold and windy weather.  It was probably ten degrees lower than here in balmy Wooster.

Wooster scored twice (I think) in the top of the first but then proceeded to make three errors in the bottom of the inning.  Quimby dropped the first batter's ground ball, picked it up in plenty of time, then dropped it again.  When that guy decided to steal second, nobody covered and Boesiger's throw went into center field.  The center fielder let it get away from him and the runner took third (error number two, and the second hitter is still at the plate). 

I don't remember the next sequence of events, but the Wooster first baseman, Steiner, booted an easy grounder sometime in that same inning.  He made another error in the second or third, dropping an easy throw from Bubba O'Donnell at second. In the bottom of the fourth, the left fielder Sankal charged and ran by a single allowing three runs to score.  Five errors in the four innings that I saw Wooster in the field.  Not to mention a few wild pitches.

They pounded the ball and scored a lot of runs but if they want to make a run deep into the tournament they really need to focus on the other half of the game.  It's become a major problem in the last few years and won't go away without some serious work.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 29, 2007, 09:47:51 pm
Thanks for the update WB.  I totally agree on your assessment about the Scots' fielding woes.  Of the 12 runs allowed by Wooster today, only 7 were earned!  I just don't get why Wooster can't figure out how to field a little better!  It's almost like they have the attitude that they will just outmash the opponent.  That's all well and good for getting through the regular season with a sparkling record and winning NCAC titles, but when it comes to tournament time, it will bite them in the arse like it has year in and year out.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Gimme on March 29, 2007, 10:25:42 pm
They will field, Wooster always plays great baseball.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 29, 2007, 10:57:19 pm
Wooster made a ridiculous 9 errors in this ballgame.  Poor Jeff Kaatz worked the 7th inning for the Scots and had this happen to him:

C. Kidd struck out, reached first on a passed ball.

N. Luken struck out, reached first on a passed ball; C. Kidd advanced to second.

R. Kreisher reached on an error by lf; N. Luken advanced to second; C. Kidd
advanced to third.

M. Bolte walked, RBI; R. Kreisher advanced to second; N.
Luken advanced to third; C. Kidd scored, unearned.

M. Brisky reached on a fielding error by 3b, advanced to second on a throwing error by 3b; M. Bolte
advanced to third; R. Kreisher scored, unearned; N. Luken scored, unearned.

S. Slater struck out, out at first c to 1b; M. Bolte scored, unearned.

B. Storesina struck out.

G. Breedlove grounded out to ss.

4 runs, 0 hits, 3 errors, 1 LOB.


There's really not much else to be said beyond that.

Except this.  Talk about restoring order in a mayhem-filled game.  Freshman pitcher Mark Miller worked the 8th and 9th and set down 6 in a row.  He struck out 3 and managed to even resurrect the defense during his tenure as no errors were made.  Miller has now worked 16 innings and allowed only 2 hits this season.  20 K's.  ERA of zero.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 29, 2007, 11:20:05 pm
Both teams went scoreless in the last two frames...my question is how much of it was pitching and how much of it was that baseball is hard to play in the dark.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: daoustian on March 30, 2007, 03:59:18 pm
Wooster Booster -- unrelated note, but check this out and let me know what you think:
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4491.4050
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 30, 2007, 08:30:33 pm

Except this.  Talk about restoring order in a mayhem-filled game.  Freshman pitcher Mark Miller worked the 8th and 9th and set down 6 in a row.  He struck out 3 and managed to even resurrect the defense during his tenure as no errors were made.  Miller has now worked 16 innings and allowed only 2 hits this season.  20 K's.  ERA of zero.


I thought the same thing when I saw the box score and then I saw Coach Pettorini's quote in the Daily Record about Miller's outing:

Quote
"We're going to wing it pretty well," Pettorini said. "What we've tried to focus on is the idea of playing defense and pitching well and we didn't do either of those things well tonight. Mark Miller did a nice job finishing it out tonight, but not even he was close to what he was in Florida."

No hits, 3 strikeouts and 3 groundouts to the 1st baseman and that wasn't close to what he was in Florida?  I guess he should have not let the B-W hitters even make contact.  Especially given Wooster's defensive struggles yesterday?! ::)  ;)  :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 31, 2007, 08:33:09 pm
The game against Kenyon was kind of interesting...6 hit batters in one inning? This is your top two teams in the NCAC East...ridiculous.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 31, 2007, 09:43:35 pm
The top of the 7th was bizarre.  Up until that point, Kenyon's starting pitcher, Shelley, actually had not pitched a bad ballgame.  His team trailed only 5-3.  Then all heck broke loose. 

Shelley had a nice off-speed breaking ball, but suddenly in the rain he just kept leaving it inside.  Way inside.  I think all 5 of the Wooster guys that he hit took it in the back.  The Kenyon coach finally had mercy on him and took him out but the next guy, Kerr, hit another Wooster batter to break the DIII record.  Pretty amazing.

Wooster, though, came back from their defensive debacle at BW to play error-free baseball.  They hit the ball well, and with any luck would have had more then the 5 runs that they scored through the first 6 innings.

Wooster's Pat Christianson provided the moment of the day when he broke out of the dugout to take the field after a Scot had been retired.  Quickly he realized that was only the second out, but not before a few alert eyes behind the fence had caught him make his move.  :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 31, 2007, 11:33:40 pm
So if it was raining bad enough that he couldn't hold onto the ball, why wasn't the game stopped?

I'm guessing no Wooster players were trying too hard to get out of the way of the ball.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on April 02, 2007, 01:43:29 pm
I'm guessing no Wooster players were trying too hard to get out of the way of the ball.

I'm not sure that I've ever seen a Scot player try real hard to get out of the way of a ball!

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 02, 2007, 01:55:37 pm
Me either. Was it a Wooster player that got called out on strikes in a regional one year on a pitch that hit him? Sounds familiar, but might have been someone else (Danner Partridge maybe, or one of Allegheny's old ball magnets).
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 02, 2007, 06:47:18 pm
I'm just back from Kenyon where Wooster almost surely took a doubleheader from the Lords.  First game was something like 12-5.  Wooster broke open the second game early and led about 11-2 in the fourth when I left.  They were swinging the bats very well today.

The unofficial word is that the fourth game against Kenyon will be scrapped.  Wednesday's game against Marietta has been moved to Sunday, April 15th at 3 PM following a noon contest vs Wabash.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 02, 2007, 07:51:17 pm
Why was the Marietta game moved?

The NCAC has a rule that doesn't allow teams to play on more than 2 dates between Monday and Friday.  This rule came up last season and I found an article in the Wooster paper that explained what happened last season:

Quote from: Joe Vardon of The Wooster Daily Record
The threat of inclement weather caused the two teams to originally reschedule the game for today, but an NCAC rule regarding the number of game dates between a Monday and Friday in any given week forced the game to be wiped off the schedule.

The league rule states that no team shall play on more than two dates between Monday and Friday. Wooster played and defeated Otterbein 13-9 on Tuesday and has the first of two NCAC doubleheaders against Hiram set for Friday.

Noticing the scheduling error and fearing any possible league sanctions, Scots athletic director Keith Beckett urged coach Tim Pettorini to cancel the game.

Seeing as how the Kenyon doubleheader was rescheduled for today and Wooster has another doubleheader scheduled for Friday with Oberlin, the Marietta game had to be moved due to the NCAC rule. 

Wasn't the Marietta game a casualty of this rule last season?  I'm beginning to wonder if these two teams just aren't meant to play each other in the regular season??
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 02, 2007, 08:04:33 pm
I'm just back from Kenyon where Wooster almost surely took a doubleheader from the Lords.  First game was something like 12-5.  Wooster broke open the second game early and led about 11-2 in the fourth when I left.  They were swinging the bats very well today.

Wooster most certainly did sweep Kenyon today.  The final of the nightcap was 17-5.  Wooster is now 19-0 on the season. :)

One noteworthy stat from the 1st game today is that freshman Mark Miller allowed his 1st earned run of the season in 19 innings pitched in the 7th inning!  His ERA baloons to 0.47 after today! ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 02, 2007, 08:34:42 pm
Then why don't they move the damn Oberlin series to Sat/Sun or send the freaking JV or something. Why the heck is that series starting on a Friday anyway? Would they rather play Sat/Sun and have the kids in class on Friday? All this because of Friday doubleheader with Oberlin that makes no sense anyway? Jeez.

To have a rule like the 2 dates during a week rule and then schedule a conference series on a Friday is...well I can't explain what it is. It's the NCAC is all I can say.

Now Wooster has a MAJOR advantage in this matchup because they don't have a divisional series that weekend. Marietta is playing at Ohio Northern the day before which itself is like a 4+ hour trip from home, then has a Tuesday doubleheader in the conference as well. So it's going to be Wooster's #1 against Marietta's like #5 if that. Real fair.

With all due respect for mideastfan and you know I do, the major reasons Schaly never wanted to play Wooster had less to do with not wanting to play on the road than other reasons, IMO. IIRC, we played at Ohio Wesleyan a time or two.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 02, 2007, 11:34:49 pm
The wind was blowing out, very hard, during the first game at Kenyon.  Mark Miller gave up a homerun that, without that stiff breeze, probably doesn't get out.  It was a hard hit ball, but most likely would have been a double in the gap.

Sunday is Easter.  That's why the Oberlin series is on Friday and Saturday.  To my memory, the Scots have avoided playing on Easter for years.

I've come to the realization that I enjoyed it more when Schaly and Marietta would not schedule Wooster during the regular season and hope that once again that will come to pass.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 03, 2007, 01:09:10 am
The wind was blowing out, very hard, during the first game at Kenyon.  Mark Miller gave up a homerun that, without that stiff breeze, probably doesn't get out.  It was a hard hit ball, but most likely would have been a double in the gap.

Sunday is Easter.  That's why the Oberlin series is on Friday and Saturday.  To my memory, the Scots have avoided playing on Easter for years.

I've come to the realization that I enjoyed it more when Schaly and Marietta would not schedule Wooster during the regular season and hope that once again that will come to pass.


Then this should be the weekend they don't play a divisional opponent, rather than playing a random weekend series against Wabash for no apparent reason.

I was never in favor of Marietta playing Wooster in the regular season, especially not at Wooster. There's a reason the NCAA won't let them host a regional.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 03, 2007, 08:28:53 am
Then this should be the weekend they don't play a divisional opponent, rather than playing a random weekend series against Wabash for no apparent reason.
It's called filling your schedule?? ::)  What, are they just supposed to leave that weekend open??

I was never in favor of Marietta playing Wooster in the regular season, especially not at Wooster. There's a reason the NCAA won't let them host a regional.
First of all, I'm sure that there are far worse facilities than those of Wooster's Art Murrray Field.  At the same time, Wooster baseball (and atletics as a whole)  is very deserving of getting some new facilities.  I believe there is a plan in the works to begin work on a new athletic training facilitiy and I would assume that would include builing a new baseball facility as well.  The target date I have heard to begin is around 2010. 

I guess it shows how badly kids want to play for winning programs regardless of facilities as Coach Pettorini still brings in outstanding class after outstanding class despite not having top notch facilities.  The same can be said about Coach Moore and the basketball program, although, Timken may not be 1st class, it still is one of the largest capacity DIII gyms in the country, so that doesn't hurt by any means.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Gimme on April 03, 2007, 09:56:02 am
 I think that is true of alot of programs.  Kids want to play for winning programs over nice facilities.  Look at other schools around the mideast.  There are some very good teams with facilities that are not that great and then there are some bad teams with amazing facilities.  Kids want to compete and win...there is no point in puting in all that work to be a student-athlete and go out on a great field and look like crap.  It's more fun to win on a crappy field than it is to lose on a great field.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 03, 2007, 10:38:23 am
I don't see any problems with Wooster's baseball field at all, not that I think that was even the subject here.

The coaching staff and players do a good job of keeping it in shape.  It has decent drainage and an automatic sprinkling system.  One of the best scoreboards (inning by inning) in DIII.  The fences, after being moved back a bit a couple of years ago, are at the DIII norm.  The wind does often blow out, but it blows out for both teams.  There aren't a lot of bleachers, but they are sufficient except for regionals and when Wooster has hosted one other bleachers have been moved in.  There is plenty of excellent standing room, especially down the left-field line.  I've never been in the press box, but although old it looks reasonably spacious.  I would doubt that Wooster has lost many potential recruits to other DIII schools due to its facilities.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 03, 2007, 02:04:12 pm
Scotsfan, there's plenty of dead time at the end of Wooster's schedule. From April 24 to May 2 they play all of 4 games. This is NOT during Finals week (during which are 3 of the 4 days of the NCAC postseason!) Or they could have played two against Wabash on their non-divisional weekend this weekend. Then you only have to fill in one game, which could easily be done during that late-season slow period.

Like Tom Hanks said in "A League Of Their Own"...let's go, God knows we have a game today. It's not like most people observe the traditional day of rest on Sunday anyway, even on Easter. Mostly they watch their kids hunt eggs and gorge themselves on Peeps, jellybeans and chocolate-covered rabbits, none of which have anything to do with Death, Burial and Resurrection of Christ. Then maybe they'll go to morning church because it's the right thing to do (even if they don't go any other time; probably not exactly what the Savior had in mind) and because the church is having potluck afterwards. :)

But even if you don't play on that day, there are plenty of other solutions that, by my estimation and I think that of others, would be preferable to play a doubleheader on Friday afternoon, considering that conference rule.

Wooster Booster, you really need to get out more and see more facilities. OOOO, an inning-by-inning scoreboard...never seen one of those before!

Standing room is actually a problem for hosting. The facility needs to be enclosed, to as to be able to charge attendance. Parking looks like it would be a nightmare from looking at the campus map. And temporary bleachers are a bad idea. They're not secured and there have been cases where temporary bleachers collapsed and caused injuries (and most likely, lawsuits). Don't think the NCAA wants to go down that road. In addition, lately it seems the NCAA is only hosting at facilities without lights as a last resort.

This is without even knowing if Wooster has the other facilities necessary and/or preferred like permanent restrooms, adequate press facilities (for radio, adequate seating for out of town media and administrators), umpire facilities.

What do you mean "when Wooster has hosted in the past?" I didn't think Wooster had ever hosted an NCAA regional at Art Murray. They or the NCAC have hosted, but it was in Canton, far as I know.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2007, 02:23:39 pm
Conferences have all sorts of rules. I bet a lot of people think it's stupid that the OAC can't recruit off campus and changes its football schedule every year, but it happens.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 03, 2007, 02:35:08 pm
True Pat, but doesn't it seem that the NCAC (and Wooster if it had any choice) has created its own problem here?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2007, 04:14:02 pm
Not sure why you are expending so much energy over it. I doubt this is something that anyone here can especially fix and I don't think the rest of the NCAC wants you coming in to argue over it.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 03, 2007, 05:37:43 pm
I'm expending the energy because it looks suspiciously like Wooster's trying to pull one over by rescheduling the Marietta game on a favorable weekend for them, and quite unfavorable for Marietta (road DH at Ohio Northern the day before, conf DH Tues., while Wooster has no conference games for 7 days on either side?)

Which looks suspiciously like them ducking out of last year's game.

Personally, I hope the game never gets played, Brewer never puts the Woo Woos on the schedule again and they can just rack up their 17-18 cheap wins  a year against OberHiraKenyaGheny. That or we go up there and win with our like #7 pitcher against their ace, of course (4 starters plus a couple relievers for the conference games), then Brewer never puts the Woo Woos on the schedule again.

Btw, this is a perfectly legitimate topic to discuss on the NCAC board. It involves an NCAC team and their schedule.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2007, 06:54:57 pm
Perhaps you should take your suspicions up with Wooster, then, and not with NCAC fans.

I agree it looks like last year. And I remember what last year's discussion blew up into. I'm not posting here randomly.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 03, 2007, 07:21:11 pm
Well I've said all there is to say really.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 04, 2007, 08:23:22 am
Well I've said all there is to say really.
Thank God!!! ::)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 04, 2007, 09:08:33 am
But I'm the antagonizer, eh?

Way to take the high road. Stay classy.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 04, 2007, 11:34:00 am
You really are something else Spence.  You're the last one that should be criticizing others for lack of class!!! 

I would also like to clarify something for you:

What do you mean "when Wooster has hosted in the past?" I didn't think Wooster had ever hosted an NCAA regional at Art Murray. They or the NCAC have hosted, but it was in Canton, far as I know.


How about checking the following link out for yourself Mr. Knowitall:

2004 Wooster Baseball Final Results (http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/archives/2004/schedule.php)

Scroll down to the bottom and you can plainly see that Wooster did indeed host the Mideast Regional that year!

Another thing. 

Standing room is actually a problem for hosting. The facility needs to be enclosed, to as to be able to charge attendance. Parking looks like it would be a nightmare from looking at the campus map. And temporary bleachers are a bad idea. They're not secured and there have been cases where temporary bleachers collapsed and caused injuries (and most likely, lawsuits). Don't think the NCAA wants to go down that road. In addition, lately it seems the NCAA is only hosting at facilities without lights as a last resort.

This is without even knowing if Wooster has the other facilities necessary and/or preferred like permanent restrooms, adequate press facilities (for radio, adequate seating for out of town media and administrators), umpire facilities.

Seeing as how you seem to be the resident expert on what a poor facility Art Murray Field is and all, judging from your post, it doesn't even seem like you've ever even been there?!  If you have, why do you have to go by the campus map to determine that the parking lots seem to be a 'nightmare'??  And they obviously met all the criteria since they did host just 3 seasons ago!

Lastly, maybe you should go join up with Oliver Stone on your idea that Wooster is trying to pull one over on Marietta!  I hear he's always a sucker for a good conspiracy theory?! ::)

Now that I've gotten that off my chest, I have one last thing to say.  Do us all a favor and go chat with yourself over on the OAC board, because after today, I have no intentions of caring what you have to say and I would hope that everyone in here will follow suit, so you will basically be talking to yourself in here as well.  At least you can do it on your own board!

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 04, 2007, 02:17:26 pm
OK so they hosted once, probably for lack of anywhere else to have it. I was wrong, it does happen on occasion, especially when I'm in Mississippi in training status (no cable TV, no internet) I notice they haven't gone back and have gone to Rose-Hulman two straight years since even though it's on the far end of the region.

Finally, Washington University hosted last year despite not having lights. Doesn't mean that was the preferred place. Sometimes you're just hard up and have to take what's there.

Lastly, I haven't been there, I don't ever want to go there. I've heard all I need to from people that have been there. I don't really aim to go much of anywhere in northern Ohio, really. Judging from the negative population growth in large parts of the region, it doesn't appear I'm alone.

One last thing, explain to me why of all days they could have chosen Wooster chooses a weekend where they don't have a divisional game to worry about for the reschedule date?

Oh and to close, you're not the only person on this board. It is not your role to censor it.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 04, 2007, 03:46:56 pm
One last thing, explain to me why of all days they could have chosen Wooster chooses a weekend where they don't have a divisional game to worry about for the reschedule date?

This is Wooster's remaining schedule:

April 6 OBERLIN* (2) 1:00
April 7 OBERLIN* (2) 1:00
April 11 at Kent State 3:00
April 12 at Otterbein 4:00
April 14 WABASH (2) 1:00
April 15 WABASH Noon
April 15 MARIETTA 3:00
April 18 MUSKINGUM 4:00
April 19 at Heidelberg 4:00
April 21 at Hiram* (2) 1:00
April 22 at Hiram* (2) 1:00
April 24 OTTERBEIN 4:00
April 25 at Denison 7:00
May 1 at Ohio Northern 4:00
May 2 at John Carroll 4:00
May 5-6 NCAC Tournament Semifinal Series TBD

Kent State and Otterbein fill out next week's schedule because of the two game-date maximum between Mondays and Fridays.  The weekend of the 21st and 22nd is booked full with Hiram.  The following week, again because of the rule that you should now be familiar with, is also full with games against Otterbein and Denison.

On Saturday May 28th Wooster is off but Marietta hosts Heidelberg.  On Sunday May 29th Wooster is again off.  Marietta appears to be also except for a home JV doubleheader.

The following week is full for Wooster with games against Ohio Northern and John Carroll.

The only other day that I can see where Marietta could possibly be rebooked would be Sunday May 29th.  Rather than loudly complaining on here that Marietta is getting screwed, why don't you call the two athletic departments and see if anyone can tell you why that date wasn't chosen?  While you're at it, you might want to ask the Marietta coaching staff if they have any complaints about the cancellation of today's game and the rescheduling date. 

It's very possible, believe it or not, that they preferred playing on the Sunday when Wabash was here rather than waiting until deep into the season when more postponements may pile up and the scheduling of league games becomes a problem.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 04, 2007, 04:10:37 pm
[The only other day that I can see where Marietta could possibly be rebooked would be Sunday May 29th.

If I was Wooster and Marietta.  A game on 29 May would suit me just fine (two days into the Championship round).

I expect you meant 29 April.

I would expect that all schools schedules are set up to favor their team. 

+K for Wooster Booster for making me aware of the two game rule between Monday and Friday.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 04, 2007, 05:10:51 pm
Jim -

Yep, I meant April 29th.  Thanks for the karma point, I've been finding them hard to come by, so I won't give it back, although it was Scotsfan that first mentioned the rule. :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on April 04, 2007, 05:17:25 pm
[The only other day that I can see where Marietta could possibly be rebooked would be Sunday May 29th.

If I was Wooster and Marietta.  A game on 29 May would suit me just fine (two days into the Championship round).



hey, being a Marietta fan, I'd LOVE to see MC and Wooster play on May 29th.  In fact I'm thinking that they need to ship one of them to a different regional this year (and Otterbein to a third regional), so they all can meet up in Wisconsin over Memorial Day weekend and beat up on each other there!!

I have a feeling that if they were all shipped to different regions last year, they all would have been playing in Wisconsin......in fact, I'm pretty sure of it.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 04, 2007, 05:37:39 pm
Jim -

Yep, I meant April 29th.  Thanks for the karma point, I've been finding them hard to come by, so I won't give it back, although it was Scotsfan that first mentioned the rule. :)

Well applause for Scotsfan too.  I've been able to keep my karma level at 10% of responses. 

1984 was just like that 3 of 6 teams were from the same conference.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 04, 2007, 06:06:19 pm
I've been able to keep my karma level at 10% of responses.

If I can pick up 83 karma points on my next post, I'll be right with you.  I'd better make it a doozy.  ;D
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 04, 2007, 07:25:49 pm
[The only other day that I can see where Marietta could possibly be rebooked would be Sunday May 29th.

If I was Wooster and Marietta.  A game on 29 May would suit me just fine (two days into the Championship round).



hey, being a Marietta fan, I'd LOVE to see MC and Wooster play on May 29th.  In fact I'm thinking that they need to ship one of them to a different regional this year (and Otterbein to a third regional), so they all can meet up in Wisconsin over Memorial Day weekend and beat up on each other there!!

I have a feeling that if they were all shipped to different regions last year, they all would have been playing in Wisconsin......in fact, I'm pretty sure of it.

I think there's a decent chance of it happening this year. I've outlined on another board the likelihood of the Central, Midwest and West all needing team and the South needing to get rid of them.

I'd take a May 29 game LOL. I have to disagree though that if Wooster had been sent to another region that they would have won. They were the 4th best in the regional last year at best, maybe 5th considering how well Adrian showed. There's maybe only one region IMO they might have won. Otterbein I think very likely would have won in New York, Central, South, Midwest and New England. Mid-Atlantic and the Chapman Invitational would have been tough nuts to crack; maybe they do, maybe they don't. Same would go for anyone.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 04, 2007, 07:44:07 pm
One last thing, explain to me why of all days they could have chosen Wooster chooses a weekend where they don't have a divisional game to worry about for the reschedule date?

This is Wooster's remaining schedule:

April 6 OBERLIN* (2) 1:00
April 7 OBERLIN* (2) 1:00
April 11 at Kent State 3:00
April 12 at Otterbein 4:00
April 14 WABASH (2) 1:00
April 15 WABASH Noon
April 15 MARIETTA 3:00
April 18 MUSKINGUM 4:00
April 19 at Heidelberg 4:00
April 21 at Hiram* (2) 1:00
April 22 at Hiram* (2) 1:00
April 24 OTTERBEIN 4:00
April 25 at Denison 7:00
May 1 at Ohio Northern 4:00
May 2 at John Carroll 4:00
May 5-6 NCAC Tournament Semifinal Series TBD

Kent State and Otterbein fill out next week's schedule because of the two game-date maximum between Mondays and Fridays.  The weekend of the 21st and 22nd is booked full with Hiram.  The following week, again because of the rule that you should now be familiar with, is also full with games against Otterbein and Denison.

On Saturday May 28th Wooster is off but Marietta hosts Heidelberg.  On Sunday May 29th Wooster is again off.  Marietta appears to be also except for a home JV doubleheader.

The following week is full for Wooster with games against Ohio Northern and John Carroll.

The only other day that I can see where Marietta could possibly be rebooked would be Sunday May 29th.  Rather than loudly complaining on here that Marietta is getting screwed, why don't you call the two athletic departments and see if anyone can tell you why that date wasn't chosen?  While you're at it, you might want to ask the Marietta coaching staff if they have any complaints about the cancellation of today's game and the rescheduling date. 

It's very possible, believe it or not, that they preferred playing on the Sunday when Wabash was here rather than waiting until deep into the season when more postponements may pile up and the scheduling of league games becomes a problem.


I'm not going to call anyone. Like I said, I don't care if they don't play at all; suits me better if they don't.

I see other options within their schedule, but whatever. I hope it rains buckets on the 13th. Speaking of weather, it's ridiculous up there in northern Ohio tonight! Single-digit wind chills in early April.

In sunny central South Carolina (80 degrees at 8 p.m. local), that seems pretty funny.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 04, 2007, 09:09:05 pm
You won't call anyone because then the actual facts might get in the way of your anti-Wooster rant, which you now seem to be expanding to include all of Northern Ohio.  You see other options in the Wooster schedule?  Why don't you please tell us what they are?



Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 04, 2007, 09:41:57 pm
You don't really want to know, you want to shoot down whatever I say. It's not going to change and you haven't acted like you genuinely care what my alternate solutions would have been so I'm not going to bother. I'll just pray for rain, or maybe snow or gale force winds the way it's looking.

Oh relax. Fact, it's really cold in northern Ohio tonight (current wind chill in Wooster, 18, with 13 in Mansfield; and the night's still young). Very cold, for April.

But hey, it's supposed to "cool down" to about 60 for a high here Friday. :) Of course, I'm going to the coast where it'll be more like 65-67.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 05, 2007, 12:03:14 pm
The word from the athletic department at the College of Wooster is that rather than postpone the upcoming games against Oberlin due to the wintery weather they will be played inside at Timken Gym.  A temporary, and obviously scaled-down, playing field is now under construction.

Home plate will be situated exactly on the southeast corner of the basketball court, allowing it's sideline and endline to be used as foul lines.  The opposite bleachers, those on the north side, will be retracted to add the necessary distance creating a high wall, sort of a mirror image of Fenway Park.  Wiffle balls, of course, will be substituted for the real thing, but officials from the NCAC have assured both teams that all statistics for the four games will stand.

Game time 1 PM tomorrow.  Admission, as usual, will be free.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 05, 2007, 09:05:29 pm
Gym wiffle ball was great, especially when you duct taped the holes!

Edit: Weather Underground isn't showing a high out of the 40s for Wooster until next Thursday?! The weather's going to pure crap everywhere up north this weekend, but man that's a long time in April to go without seeing anything even resembling warm.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 07, 2007, 10:18:01 am
Wooster improved to 21-0 with a doubleheader sweep of Oberlin yesterday.  Adam Samson picked up the win in game one allowing one hit in 5 innings of work in a 7-1 win.  Samson improved to 4-0 on the season.  In the nightcap, freshman Matt DeGrand improved to 3-0 on the season allowing just 2 hits over 6 innings. 

Wooster will look to push their unbeaten streak to 23 games this afternoon.  That would match Wooster's record for their longest winning streak in school history!  If Wooster can continue the streak today, they will get a very stiff challenge to actually break the record as they will be on the road facing Kent State and Ott on back to back days this coming Wednesday and Thursday.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 07, 2007, 10:32:08 am
Sheesh ....  I go away for a week, come home to catch up on what's been going on in DIII Baseball and it reads like the movie Groundhog Day.  We had this Wooster-Marietta discussion last year.  Let's move on.

Spence, I actually don't mind you coming onto the NCAC site if you talk baseball.  The game, not the politics.  Last spring we actually had some very interesting baseball discussion, and I know you are capable based on your postings in other threads.  Just leave out the Wooster bashing and NCAC bashing would you when you come here.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 07, 2007, 10:38:35 am
In my obligatory role of letting the upper half know how the other half lives.
Wabash Baseball takes 2 yesterday from the even worse Earlham Quakers.
Season record for the Little Giants runs to 8-17-1 (3-7 NCAC West).

Word is this is a young, talented team that shoots itself in the foot with untimely errors and inability to hit in the clutch.  In short they have been in most games but can not close.  The core of the team are sophs and several frosh are now regualrs in the line up so maybe there is hope for the future.  Unfortunately, 1-7 against Denison and Witt means we have a ways to go yet.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 08:15:44 pm
Is it bashing if I ask why in the world the second Oberlin-Wooster game was called after 4 1/2 innings?

Screw it I don't care if it is bashing.

"Game two was called after four and a half innings of play due to the weather."

That's from the Oberlin writeup...which is already up even though Wooster was the home team. No writeup is yet available from Wooster's site.

Thing is, I fail to see how the weather was any worse than it had been all day. Snow was initially observed at KBJJ (Wayne Co. airport) at 12:56 p.m.; right around game time. The game time temp would have been 25-27, depending on exactly when the game started (-4C at 12:59, -3C at 1:04).  That temperature hardly changed all day...so it didn't get much colder.

Wind gusts were observed at around 25 mph until 3:10 p.m. when they kicked up to 38 mph. That was the strongest wind, the next hour the peak wind was 33 mph. The hour after that, 28...back about where the afternoon started. So the winds weren't any stronger when they quit than when they started. But they were higher a couple hours earlier. So if anything, they should have quit earlier if they were going to.

Visibility, in addition to being self-explanatory, is also a measure of snow intensity under constant conditions...Since the winds were blowing about the same most of the day, the lowest visibility constitutes the times of the heaviest snowfall. At gametime the visibility was 1-2 miles. As would be expected with light snow and flurries, the visibility hopped up and down all day, but the visibility at 4:42 was 1 mile. At 5:40 when the game was called, the visibility was 3 miles. Again, if anything they should have called it an hour before.

National Weather Service radar's total storm precip product is indicating only a trace of precip for pretty much anywhere off the lake, which tells me there shouldnt' have been an issue with accumulation.

Conditions were bad, but they weren't any worse than when the first game of the day started. This was only a 4-1 game; all of Wooster's runs were unearned. Oberlin had their ace pitching. This wasn't a lost cause for Oberlin.

So my very simple question, in light of all the weather data I've produced, what reason was there to call the game when it was called? For anyone that says "ask the umpires", the umpires' names were not included on the Wooster-produced box score.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 07, 2007, 08:48:12 pm
Was the game played at the airport??
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 09:31:23 pm
Obviously not. But this isn't Chardon. Snowfall rates differing wildly over a 6 mile distance is highly unlikely.

Edit: I regularly forecast for locations that are less than 35 miles apart, and the forecasts are usually very very similar, with the differences mainly owing to factors not in play in Wayne County (terrain differences, dust source regions, moisture source regions) and not applicable to synoptic gradient winds and snow.



Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 07, 2007, 09:37:44 pm
Is it bashing if I ask why in the world the second Oberlin-Wooster game was called after 4 1/2 innings?

Screw it I don't care if it is bashing.

"Game two was called after four and a half innings of play due to the weather."

That's from the Oberlin writeup...which is already up even though Wooster was the home team. No writeup is yet available from Wooster's site.

Thing is, I fail to see how the weather was any worse than it had been all day. Snow was initially observed at KBJJ (Wayne Co. airport) at 12:56 p.m.; right around game time. The game time temp would have been 25-27, depending on exactly when the game started (-4C at 12:59, -3C at 1:04).  That temperature hardly changed all day...so it didn't get much colder.

Wind gusts were observed at around 25 mph until 3:10 p.m. when they kicked up to 38 mph. That was the strongest wind, the next hour the peak wind was 33 mph. The hour after that, 28...back about where the afternoon started. So the winds weren't any stronger when they quit than when they started. But they were higher a couple hours earlier. So if anything, they should have quit earlier if they were going to.

Visibility, in addition to being self-explanatory, is also a measure of snow intensity under constant conditions...Since the winds were blowing about the same most of the day, the lowest visibility constitutes the times of the heaviest snowfall. At gametime the visibility was 1-2 miles. As would be expected with light snow and flurries, the visibility hopped up and down all day, but the visibility at 4:42 was 1 mile. At 5:40 when the game was called, the visibility was 3 miles. Again, if anything they should have called it an hour before.

National Weather Service radar's total storm precip product is indicating only a trace of precip for pretty much anywhere off the lake, which tells me there shouldnt' have been an issue with accumulation.

Conditions were bad, but they weren't any worse than when the first game of the day started. This was only a 4-1 game; all of Wooster's runs were unearned. Oberlin had their ace pitching. This wasn't a lost cause for Oberlin.

So my very simple question, in light of all the weather data I've produced, what reason was there to call the game when it was called? For anyone that says "ask the umpires", the umpires' names were not included on the Wooster-produced box score.


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Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 09:41:10 pm
Thanks for the non-response. I think it's a reasonable question and if I were someone from Oberlin, I'd sure as heck want to know the answer.

I suppose with the reported attendance of 20 -- not sure if that includes staff and media or not -- unless Tim Pettorini, Eric Lahetta or one of the umpires reads this board, we're pretty unlikely to get a first-hand answer.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 07, 2007, 09:47:19 pm
unless Tim Pettorini, Eric Lahetta or one of the umpires reads this board, we're pretty unlikely to get a first-hand answer.

Fire up Word and send a letter. Nobody here can give you an answer and I doubt ANYONE can give you the answer you want: That it's all part of a conspiracy to aid Wooster.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 09:54:07 pm
LOL you probably don't want to get me started. Look no further than the change to the postseason format a couple years back as evidence that the NCAC is protecting its top programs from upset in the postseason. As for what the deal was today...I have no idea.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 07, 2007, 10:01:27 pm
LOL you probably don't want to get me started.

You mean the last 3 pages of posts represents your warm-ups?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 07, 2007, 10:29:44 pm
Spence -

I was at the Oberlin-Wooster game when it was called.  After Trappazano struck out the side in the top of the fifth, BOTH coaches immediately walked towards homeplate and shook hands.  They were apparently in complete agreement about stopping the contest and in their desire to go home. 

Oberlin had alreadly lost three games in absolutely horrible and deteriorating conditions, weather that was every bit as bad as the Indians saw last night, weather that caused the ballgames in Cleveland and Kent State today to be cancelled.  They wanted to be in their vans and out of there, as did the Wooster players.  All had put in a very long and hard afternoon, as had the umpires.  Both teams shook hands, smiling, laughing, and joking, as the ordeal of playing baseball in snowy 26 degree conditions was finally over.

Once again, you've thrown some large bricks at Wooster without knowing the facts.  If you were a journalist of any sort and went about casting such non-subtle allegations without any substantiation or preliminary fact-checking you'd very likely be out of a job or facing a libel suit.

Nobody in this room wants to listen to you anymore, Spence.  You and your tired act have managed to drive away most of the posters and those that remain have seen the conversation shift away from NCAC baseball to your lousy anti-Wooster agenda.  We've simply had enough of you, period.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 11:09:39 pm
Props on being one of the illustrious 20.

I don't really care who agreed to it, it still should have been finished, though I would think the Oberlin coach would have wanted to finish it. That shows a lack of a competitive drive on his part and might explain why his team gets drummed every year by anyone good. The one game you've got a chance to win against Wooster and you give it up with 2 innings to go?

I've thrown no bricks at anyone...I just said in light of the conditions not really changing, why was that time chosen to call the game? I made no accusations toward anyone, except maybe the umpires for letting it happen.

I covered all the weather-related arguments in advance because I knew that's what I would get otherwise...crap like "because it was snowing and windy" well duh.

As for "deteriorating" conditions, I already proved otherwise, unless you care to argue that the weather 6 miles away was markedly different from at the ballpark. I've been to Heidelberg and Ohio Northern; I know what bad baseball weather is. Doesn't mean you just up and quit on a conference game, just after it becomes official. John Carroll and Wilmington quit in the 1st of the second game and JCU is in the East Cleveland lake effect snow belt.

I'm not a journalist anymore. If I were and wrote for someone where it would have been an issue, I would find out what the deal was. If I still thought it was BS, well that's what columns are for :)

How was this question not about NCAC baseball? Are you implying that Oberlin doesn't play NCAC baseball?

Sorry to take the topic away from how Wooster baseball is the greatest thing since sliced bread and never does anything wrong.

Edit: The John Carroll/Wilmington game was at Wilmington. I wondered how the heck they played in east Cleveland today when they were supposed to get lke 6 inches of snow lol.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 08, 2007, 12:22:16 am
I'm through wasting my time here.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on April 08, 2007, 10:24:26 am
Spence,

From your post where you gave your edit... it seems your involved in weather forecasting.  IF so, and you are a knowledgable baseball fan which seems like it is also true (you post on here regularly..)... then you MUST know that poor weather conditions over a long period of time cause field conditions to deteriorate.

That being the case, I am betting the field was getting to the point where it was becoming slippry and dangerous for the players... and the balls being wet (from the poor field condtions) did the same thing.

Why is it that the game can't be called... I don't know anything in the rules that says a game MUST be finished once started. 

Stop arguing just to argue... games are called all the time.  And in my opinion, most of the ones that are called are called an inning too late...

 :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 08, 2007, 12:51:51 pm
Spence,

From your post where you gave your edit... it seems your involved in weather forecasting.  IF so, and you are a knowledgable baseball fan which seems like it is also true (you post on here regularly..)... then you MUST know that poor weather conditions over a long period of time cause field conditions to deteriorate.

That being the case, I am betting the field was getting to the point where it was becoming slippry and dangerous for the players... and the balls being wet (from the poor field condtions) did the same thing.

Why is it that the game can't be called... I don't know anything in the rules that says a game MUST be finished once started. 

Stop arguing just to argue... games are called all the time.  And in my opinion, most of the ones that are called are called an inning too late...

 :)

It just seems like they called it after 4 1/2 innings because it was an official game and because it was cold and snowy when it had been cold and snowy all day. Snow generally doesn't cause nearly as much moisture on the ground as rain unless it is very heavy and very wet; recall the 1/10 ratio that doesn't always work, but is a pretty good guideline. If this had been rain, it would have been barely enough to notice.

If someone had said the reason they cancelled was something like "because the pitcher needed ice skates, the bats had icicles on them and a Moon Pie truck crashed into the back of the press box," then I would have been like "ok I get it."

I really don't think I've been that argumentative on this thread. I simply ruled out false reasoning before it could be given. We had one of the 20 true diehards in attendance (seriously, given the opponent and the weather, I probably would have stayed inside and listened to it on the radio lol) on this thread and while he said conditions were horrible -- which we knew when the day started -- he didn't give any concrete examples of conditions being demonstrably dangerous in a way they weren't earlier.

Mostly I feel bad for Oberlin's players and program. There's simply no way I could ever understand agreeing to call the game at that point. We've played at Heidelberg when it snowing and in the teens and played both ends of the doubleheader. Neither team ever asked about calling it early to my knowledge.

I'm good with calling an end to this conversation unless someone else has some additional info. I'm sorry if anything sounded like I was trying to start a fight; I wasn't. The whole thing just really looked strange to me and didn't look any less strange after I checked out the local weather observations.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 08, 2007, 09:31:12 pm
Mostly I feel bad for Oberlin's players and program. There's simply no way I could ever understand agreeing to call the game at that point. We've played at Heidelberg when it snowing and in the teens and played both ends of the doubleheader. Neither team ever asked about calling it early to my knowledge.
From listening to the games yesterday on the radio, it's my understanding that Oberlin didn't even want to be there in the first place.  Ken Nemeth (Wooster's play-by-play announcer) said that Oberlin's coach had called Pettorni and asked him if it was even worth if for them to make the drive down and Pettorini basically said that they were going to try to get the games in.  The games were on the schedule and needed to at least be given a shot at getting them in. 

From the sounds of it, the demeanor of the Oberlin team wasn't good from the opening pitch.  Nemeth described the Yeomen as looking very uninspired and like they had no desire to be there from the minute they stepped off the vans.  That being said, I find it really hard to believe that one could say that Oberlin were somehow made to call the game early against their will.  Seems pretty obvious by the description of Oberlin's demeanor durning both games that they were more than willing to oblige and get out of the elements as soon as the game became official.  Yes Oberlin had their ace on the mound and they were only down 4-1 at the time the game was called.  But Wooster also had their ace on the mound and he had just struck out the side.  And it's not like Oberlin's offense was showing any signs of suddenly coming to life based on their lack of it in the 1st three games of the series. 

Bottom line is, I would wager to bet that Oberlin wanted to get out of there early just as bad, if not worse, than Wooster did!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 08, 2007, 10:52:30 pm
Well I guess the state of Oberlin baseball could hardly be explained better. I can see disagreeing with playing the games under those conditions though (I don't think anyone else in northern Ohio played, at least that I'm aware of).

In all honesty and seriousness, I don't really understand why Oberlin has an athletics program. They don't make money, they're not very good, and no one seems to mind that too much. Academically it's one of the best schools of its kind in the country and would have little trouble attracting qualified applicants, with or without sports.

Interesting that you refer to Trapuzzano as their ace and not Samson. Not saying I disagree, just figure most people would have figured Samson was.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 09, 2007, 06:43:04 pm
Final just in:  Denison 3, Muskingum 2  (10 innings)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 11, 2007, 02:39:28 pm
Wooster's game with Kent State for today has been postponed as well as tomorrow's date with Otterbein.  No make-up has been scheduled yet.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 11, 2007, 03:21:24 pm
The extended forecast isn't looking too good in Ohio for Saturday and Sunday either. Depending on which model you believe there might be a chance for Sunday, but Saturday is looking bad anywhere you turn.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 13, 2007, 09:32:04 am
Wooster was able to get a game in yesterday against Case.  They broke the school record for consecutive wins at 24 in a row with a 17-0 trouncing of an undermanned Case.  Adam Samson got the win  facing the minimum through 5.  He struck out six and only gave up one single.  He is now 5-0 on the season with an era of 1.66 

While it would have been sweeter breaking the record with a win over Kent St, it's still an impressive feat by the Scots.  Congrats on breaking the record!

Wooster will be in action again today (weather permitting ::)) once again against Case.  While Case isn't the most competive challenge for the Scots, at least its some live game action and better than no games at all.

As for the rescheduling of the KSU and Ott games, I haven't heard any word on the Ott game.  It was removed from the schedule, so it looks like that game won't be rescheduled.  From what I've read in the paper, it looks as if the only date KSU has available is on the same day the Scots are scheduled to play Musky, and it sounds as if Wooster would like to get with Musky to work something out so they could get the Kent game in.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 13, 2007, 11:54:06 am
Some more scheduling updates to pass along:

Wooster's DH with Wabash tomorrow has been moved up to 11 am and Sunday's game with Marietta has been ppd, I'm sure much to the delight of a certain poster in here. ::) 

From the weather forecast on weather.com, it looks like they might be able to squeeze in both games if the rain holds off long enough.  They're predicting rain moving in around 3 pm.  The Tribe moved their start time to their game up as well on Saturday.  It was originally scheduled to be a night game, but due to the forecast, it is now a 1:05 start.  At least they are actually finally getting to play at home though!  8) (knocking on wood  :P)

This spirng has just been whacky! :P  I'm beginning to wonder if we will ever truly see spring?! ::)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 02:21:23 pm
Saturday looks like they might be dodging raindrops, Sunday would be crazy. Have my doubts that Marietta even plays at Northern Saturday, which would have made Sunday impossible. Rain coming in late is one thing, snow or mixed precip is another.

The primary model used in North America (the North American Model, imagine that!) is keeping most of the precip Saturday south of I-70 with precip coming in from the south Sunday for northeast Ohio. Marietta could probably play at Northern Sunday if they can travel Saturday.

I'm going to be driving to Alabama tomorrow and that's not going to be a picnic either. I'm probably going to have to cut my stay at the Lewis Grizzard Museum in Moreland, GA short! Horror!

Hope everyone plays it safe up there this weekend...foolish decisions in situations like this can get people hurt.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: WooMix on April 13, 2007, 10:10:46 pm
Impressive what the Scots are doing!  Hopefully the winning streak continues through the season and the play-offs.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 15, 2007, 03:05:36 pm
Way to go LGs!!!!

Wabash beats Wooster 3-2. Box score here (http://www.wabash.edu/sports/docs/baseballstats/2007/woob415.htm)

Wooster's recap here (http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/recaps/2007/wabash2.php)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 15, 2007, 05:16:22 pm
Congrats to Wabash and Joey Niezer.  He was dominant from the outset, keeping the Scot hitters off balance all day long.  He has a somewhat unusual release, almost coming a bit from the side like Walter Johnson, which gave his fastball a little rise or hop to it.  Combine that with generally very good control and a nice breaking ball and he had a very impressive outing, as good as I've seen against Wooster in about ten years.

Wooster had to try to manufacture runs when they had opportunities and did a good job of moving up their baserunners.  But they only hit two balls decently all day; Shaun Swearingen's RBI single to right in the seventh and a hard slicing shot, also to right, by Sankal in the 6th.  That one was hauled in by the Wabash rightfielder with a nice diving grab.

I kept thinking that eventually the Wooster hitters, whose first six swings produced end-of-the-bat ground balls, would get to Niezer.  But that never happened as he finished nearly as strong as he began.

The Little Giants looked like a better ballclub than their record shows.  Some throwing errors cost them in the first two games, and they had trouble stopping the Scots from stealing bases, but overall their defense looked decent.  Offensively they need to improve but I wouldn't be surprised if they contend in their division next season.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 15, 2007, 06:34:59 pm
I too have to throw out my congratulations to the Wabash players and Coach Stevens for a signature win for this young team.  I hope Wooster Booster is correct with his prediction for Wabash next season.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 15, 2007, 06:53:18 pm
Thanks for the first hand report, WooBoo.

One thing jumped out at me, though:

He has a somewhat unusual release, almost coming a bit from the side like Walter Johnson

Tell me this comparison comes from watching old film and not from a personal viewing. That would make you about 106 years old!  ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 15, 2007, 10:08:01 pm
Old film.  But Johnson did pitch until 1927 and one of the guys that I watch Wooster games with is in his late eighties and actually saw "The Big Train" pitch against the Indians when he was a little kid.  :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 16, 2007, 08:21:49 am
Wooster Booster-

  Would that guy have the initials C. Mc.?  Just curious. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 16, 2007, 08:52:51 am
Yep, that would be him.  Surprisingly missing for yesterday's game.  Hmm, do I know you?  Throw some initials at me. :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on April 16, 2007, 10:07:38 am
Congrats to Wabash! I think the program is in the right direction!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 16, 2007, 10:32:15 am
Huzzah to Wabash!  That's a great result and a great building block for the team. 

Now if we can figure out how to beat the other black and gold clad team on our schedule.... ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 16, 2007, 01:16:32 pm
Wooster Booster-

  They would be S.M.A. I played basketball for C. Mc. a 7-8 years ago.  I stood along the fence down the 3rd baseline a few times last spring when I could make it. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 16, 2007, 02:13:26 pm
Doesn't Niezer throw a gyroball? That would explain the funky delivery.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 16, 2007, 04:38:59 pm
The Daily Record article mentioned the gyroball, in that it said that he didn't throw any in the game.  He must have at least experimented with it in the past or they wouldn't have even brought it up.  His delivery wasn't that strange; maybe somewhere just above sidearm, but he got a lot of movement on the ball.  He sure looked to be a better pitcher than someone who came into the game with an ERA as high as he had, though.  He looked like their best to me.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 16, 2007, 05:41:47 pm
Niezer was actually part of a pretty extensive article I read a while ago on espn.com that examined the myth of the gyroball.  In said article, Niezer says he doesn't throw it.  I don't think anybody can throw it to be quite honest.  I think there might be some youtube clips of Niezer in high school that claim to capture the gyro...it looks like a good slider to me. 

Here's a link to the espn.com article if you're interested...it's a pretty long read. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=gyroballsearch
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 16, 2007, 06:38:39 pm
I think there might be some youtube clips of Niezer in high school that claim to capture

I did find video of Niezer on youtube.  It isn't very difinitive, but if you want to check it out, here is the link:

Niezer gyroball video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4R8rYkUWE)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 16, 2007, 08:36:12 pm
All the Gyroball videos look like those grainy Sasquatch and UFO videos.

Oh, and am I the only one who gets a craving for one of these every time they see the word "Gyroball"?

(http://i19.tinypic.com/359yg05.jpg)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 17, 2007, 09:11:12 am
Wooster is jumbling their schedule once again.  Wednesday's game at Musky has been ppd. and the Scots are now going to be at Kent St. to make up their game with the Golden Flashes. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on April 17, 2007, 09:51:30 am
Will Carroll taught Niezer the gyroball, but I think he just has some nasty breaking stuff. Maybe Hayden Sidd Finch threw the gyroball in Nepal?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 18, 2007, 07:34:40 pm
Wooster downed Kent State this afternoon 3-2!  Wooster built a 3-0 lead through 4 innings with Samson on the mound.  Samson surrendered single runs in the 4th and 7th innings before giving way to freshman Matt Barnes.  Barnes shut the door on the Flashes in the 7th and forced KSU into an inning ending DP in the 8th.  Then fellow frosh Mark Miller came on in the 9th to retire the side after allowing a leadoff single.

What a way to bounce back for Wooster after suffering their 1st loss of the season!!

Things don't get much easier for Wooster as they travel down to Heidelberg tomorrow afternoon.  All the Student Princes have done this season is put up a 21-8 record on the season (their 8th 20+ win season in a row) and they are also currently tied atop the very competitive OAC with OTT.  Should be another good game tomorrow down at the Berg.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 18, 2007, 07:53:37 pm
Must be nice to be able to throw your ace in a midweek non-conference game.

Unfortunately Heidelberg doesn't have the same luxury, having played six games since Fri and playing Otterbein this weekend.

These are the kinds of things that aren't taken into consideration at the end of the year that should be. Not only does a weak conference give you a lot of easy wins, it allows you do things like throw your ace against a struggling D-I team's #8 or whatever.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 19, 2007, 08:22:46 am
blah, blah blah...........
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 19, 2007, 09:08:29 am

Not only does a weak conference give you a lot of easy wins, it allows you do things like throw your ace against a struggling D-I team's #8 or whatever.


Just a little FYI, but I took a little excerpt from an article that was in the Wooster Daily Record just before Wooster was scheduled to play KSU the first time around. 

Quote from: Wooster Daily Record Article By CHAD CONANT Daily Record Sports Writer
Kent State started its season 2-4 and was swept in its opening series at Wake Forest. In two of those three games, the Flashes had every reason to believe they'd win. The bad taste lingered until a three-game series at Florida in which the Flashes won twice.

With a deep pitching staff mentored by Orrville and Wayne County Sports Hall of Famer Mike Birkbeck, the Flashes boast a big-time roster.

"In terms of talent, Kent's probably the best Div. I team in Ohio right now," Pettorini said. "I don't care what Ohio State's record is or what conference they play in, Kent's talent is better. They have some tremendous arms. We're going to see somebody good."

So, Pettorini plans on starting ace Adam Samson at Kent State and will use freshman starter Matt Barnes at some point. Though he wouldn't say definitively what the plan is, Pettorini did say he'd like to let Samson stretch out and see what he could do. In an ideal world for Wooster, that would mean Samson going deep, giving the ball to Barnes, then handing a lead to freshman closer Mark Miller to finish things.


Conant was actually pretty prophetic in that last statement as that is exactly how the game ended up playing out! 8)

Kent may be struggling, but they are still a very talented Div. I baseball team.  And as far as the pitcher goes that Wooster faced, it was his 1st loss as a collegian.  He was 6-0 as a freshman last season and he was 1-0 on the year this season, so he must not be all that bad.

It just kills me how you continue to belittle Wooster every chance you get.  Beating KSU was a great accomplishment not only for Wooster, but for Div. III baseball as well.  How would it have looked if Wooster went up to Kent yesterday with their lofty record and got hammered by the Flashes?  What Wooster did yesterday is continue to prove that there is talent at the Div. III level.  And all you can do is cry about how nice it must be for Wooster to throw their ace midweek in a non conference game.  I guess you continue to prove that there is a reason why your Karma count is now nearing the century mark in the wrong direction! ::)

One other thing yesterday's Wooster win might do is force Kent St. to reconsider playing the Scots as this is the 2nd time Wooster has beaten the Golden Flashes having beaten them in 2003 as well! ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 19, 2007, 09:39:55 am
Spence,

   So if Wooster can throw their Ace mid-week they can use him only sparingly on the weekend which forces them to throw somebody lower in the rotation on the weekend which evens things out a little. 
   Wooster just continues to win.  Sure they're supposed to win, but how many teams lose game's their not supposed to win? Many.
   Stop whining, what do you want Wooster to do?????
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 19, 2007, 05:51:33 pm
Spence,

   So if Wooster can throw their Ace mid-week they can use him only sparingly on the weekend which forces them to throw somebody lower in the rotation on the weekend which evens things out a little. 
   Wooster just continues to win.  Sure they're supposed to win, but how many teams lose game's their not supposed to win? Many.
   Stop whining, what do you want Wooster to do?????

They're playing Hiram on Sat/Sun, it doesn't really matter who they throw and if they wanted to they could bring back Samson on Sunday anyway. The D-I teams never throw anything good in games like this, so it really doesn't end up meaning a whole lot IMO. I knew the Wooster people would be bragging it up, so I brought up the obvious before there could be six posts about how Wooster's such hot stuff. I still don't think they've been opposed by an ace starting pitcher of a solid team all year.

I love how all the Wooster fans are crowing about this. They've beaten Ohio State and Kent State in a similar situation before, didn't help them in D-III. I don't really see it as being a great anything for D-III. When Marietta beat Ashland, a D-II national qualifier a couple years ago, was that a great win for Division III? It doesn't really do much nationally because most casual D-I fans aren't following Kent State. If someone went and beat an SEC or ACC or Pac 10 team it might be different.

I completely disagree with Pettorini's assessment of Kent State being the most talented team in Ohio. If they were, they'd be better than 15-20 and 6-6 in the MAC. I think the folks in Oxford would disagree with Pettorini, not to mention Columbus.

Doubt it's going to happen because of the schedule they've faced lately, but I'd laugh my butt off if Heidelberg beat Wooster right after Wooster won the Ohio State championship over Kent or so they think.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 19, 2007, 07:20:43 pm
Doubt it's going to happen because of the schedule they've faced lately, but I'd laugh my butt off if Heidelberg beat Wooster right after Wooster won the Ohio State championship over Kent or so they think.
Sorry to ruin all your fun, but Wooster beat the Berg 5-2.  But we all know that the only reason Wooster won is because of the Berg's brutal schedule of late?! ::)

Unfortunately Heidelberg doesn't have the same luxury, having played six games since Fri and playing Otterbein this weekend.

These are the kinds of things that aren't taken into consideration at the end of the year that should be. Not only does a weak conference give you a lot of easy wins, it allows you do things like throw your ace against a struggling D-I team's #8 or whatever.
What annoys me most about you is that you seem to always be inferring that it's Wooster's fault for all of the scheduling that goes on.  Like scheduling is not a two way street or something.  As if Heidelberg had no say in when they were going to play Wooster?!

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with you anyways!  You just grind and grind until I just have to respond to your uninsightful posts!  It sure is nice to have you gracing our presence continually annoying more and more posters as you go!! ::)

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 19, 2007, 08:18:56 pm
I knew the Wooster people would be bragging it up, so I brought up the obvious before there could be six posts about how Wooster's such hot stuff. I still don't think they've been opposed by an ace starting pitcher of a solid team all year.

I love how all the Wooster fans are crowing about this.

That's right, our team has lost 1 game all year so we're supposed to just shut up and not get excited about a good season.  Makes a whole lot of sense.  How would your beloved OAC teams done against Kent State?  Why are they not scheduling the DI teams?  You're absolutely ignorant.   
What should I expect from a weather man when weather men/women are wrong 50% of the time.
I know KSU and OSU are not going to throw their ace mid week against a DIII team but their still a team full of DI guys that are on a DI team for a reason.  Just as Wooster has a team full of DIII guys for a reason. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 19, 2007, 08:19:27 pm
Doubt it's going to happen because of the schedule they've faced lately, but I'd laugh my butt off if Heidelberg beat Wooster right after Wooster won the Ohio State championship over Kent or so they think.
Sorry to ruin all your fun, but Wooster beat the Berg 5-2.  But we all know that the only reason Wooster won is because of the Berg's brutal schedule of late?! ::)

Unfortunately Heidelberg doesn't have the same luxury, having played six games since Fri and playing Otterbein this weekend.

These are the kinds of things that aren't taken into consideration at the end of the year that should be. Not only does a weak conference give you a lot of easy wins, it allows you do things like throw your ace against a struggling D-I team's #8 or whatever.
What annoys me most about you is that you seem to always be inferring that it's Wooster's fault for all of the scheduling that goes on.  Like scheduling is not a two way street or something.  As if Heidelberg had no say in when they were going to play Wooster?!

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with you anyways!  You just grind and grind until I just have to respond to your uninsightful posts!  It sure is nice to have you gracing our presence continually annoying more and more posters as you go!! ::)

Boy Wooster and their mighty offense sure did hammer around Heidelberg's #5 or so. Hamman after today still has an ERA over 7 and only gave up 4 hits in 7 IP. Wooster got 2 in the 8th against a guy with an ERA of 8.

Remember something I said about this not being a typical Wooster team offensively? But when you play Oberlin, Allegheny, Hiram and Kenyon to get to the postseason, you can get away with not scoring a lot because you don't need your aces to pitch to win conference games.

I don't necessarily have a problem with Wooster's schedule, I have a problem with the D-III baseball community's refusal to understand or even acknowledge its role in Wooster's record, both in the conference games and in their ability to engineer favorable matchups in the non-conference. I'm sure they'll probably do the same thing to Otterbein next week.

To me, to be recognized as #1, you should have to beat someone on even terms. If these rankings were done in the manner of a D-I basketball poll, Wooster would be well down in them because they haven't played anyone to be able to prove anything; like a Nevada or Winthrop. Oral Roberts didn't get ranked #1 because they won 50 games a couple years back in baseball. Yet for some reason in D-III we just don't even look at the competition a team beats to attain a given record.

But hey...Wooster was ranked #1 much of last season and showed why they were in the regional.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 19, 2007, 08:21:26 pm
Because Wooster is the only team to EVER underachieve once they got to the post-season.  Yep..that's it.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 19, 2007, 08:28:38 pm
I knew the Wooster people would be bragging it up, so I brought up the obvious before there could be six posts about how Wooster's such hot stuff. I still don't think they've been opposed by an ace starting pitcher of a solid team all year.

I love how all the Wooster fans are crowing about this.

That's right, our team has lost 1 game all year so we're supposed to just shut up and not get excited about a good season.  Makes a whole lot of sense.  How would your beloved OAC teams done against Kent State?  Why are they not scheduling the DI teams?  You're absolutely ignorant.   
What should I expect from a weather man when weather men/women are wrong 50% of the time.
I know KSU and OSU are not going to throw their ace mid week against a DIII team but their still a team full of DI guys that are on a DI team for a reason.  Just as Wooster has a team full of DIII guys for a reason. 


Otterbein did schedule Ohio as their first game of the year, but threw a whole staff game as did Ohio. I don't really see a reason to schedule D-I teams to be honest; you know you're not going to get their best effort, it's not going to help you in D-III as far as postseason.

I resent your implication that D-I players are inherently superior to D-III ones, even if they're on a mediocre team.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 19, 2007, 08:29:24 pm
Because Wooster is the only team to EVER underachieve once they got to the post-season.  Yep..that's it.

Because this board was so accepting of my analysis last year which turned out to be dead solid 100% perfect.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 20, 2007, 09:46:22 am
Because Wooster is the only team to EVER underachieve once they got to the post-season.  Yep..that's it.

Because this board was so accepting of my analysis last year which turned out to be dead solid 100% perfect.
What's that saying about a blind squirrel?? ::)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 20, 2007, 10:58:57 am
Did you notice how Otterbein scheduled Wooster on the 24th?  Otterbein is coming off 3 days rest while Wooster has 1 day of rest following back to back doubleheaders. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 20, 2007, 11:50:34 am
Allow me to beat Spence to the punch, but I'm sure he will still say that it is Wooster's advantage because Ott has a conference DH the next day vs. Northern.  So, obviously the evil geniuses at Wooster schemed once again to get the schedule in their favor? ::)

The biggest thing that irks me about Spence's constant whining is that he is whining about regular season nonconference games!!!  Do they really have that much significance?  I guess when you're talking regional rankings, they might have some impact, but, given the fact that there is no longer home field in the playoffs with RHIT seeming to be the hosts year in and year out, those rankings really don't mean a whole lot IMO!  And if these teams were half as worried about this as Spence seems to be, they always have the option of not putting Wooster on the shedule!!!  It's not like Wooster is forcing these OAC teams to put them on their schedules!!!  Please! Give it a rest already!!!

The bottom line is that these OAC teams should not be worried too much with whether or not they lose to Wooster in the regular season (which I'm quite positive that Spence does enough for everyone  ::))!  They should only be focused on the OAC.  Beating Wooster isn't going to get them a ticket into the post-season.  There is only one way to do that and that is winning the OAC tournament.  All the other playoff contenders can do is wait and see if they get a pool C.  With that said, your constant whining about the subject of Wooster and their so-called unfair scheduling tactics is getting really really tired!!!

With the expanded tournament field, my guess would be that there is a high probability of the OAC still getting 2 teams into the tournament.  Right now, I would say, IMO that there are basically 3 teams fighting for those 2 spots and that would include Ott, 'Etta and the Berg.  My hunch would be that whomever makes the conference finals should be in, unless it's someone other than the 3 favorites.  That is why seeding is going to be huge for the OAC.  Two of these three are going to have to faceoff in the conference semis with the loser likely done.  Whoever comes out on top of the OAC regular season will have a decided advantage in their road to the NCAA's.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 20, 2007, 02:32:23 pm
Woohoo! -100!

(steps up to the microphone after getting his -100th karma point)...

"I'd like to thank all the members of the NCAC message board for making this honor possible, and for contributing greatly to this milestone of negative karma. I hope they'll support me in my quest for -200."

OK now that that's done...

Decent point I guess on it not really mattering that much. But it does matter for seeding and in a 7 team tournament, in spite of it not really bearing itself out that way so far, on paper the 1 seed is a big deal. IMO the Mideast regional #1 seed should be an open race between four pretty good candidates. In reality, it's already decided unless Wooster suffers a ridiculous collapse that I'm not really waiting for.

The weak conference schedule issue has been one for YEARS where NCAC teams were concerned. Even when Wooster, Allegheny and OWU were all pretty good they still had all those other schools to fatten up on. Hiram went from a bottom feeder in the OAC to middle of the road in the NCAC when they switched conferences. That's all you need to know, really, about the depth of the two conferences. You can play the 8th place team in the OAC and still have your hands full; you can play the 8th place team in the NCAC with your junior varsity if you're a regional-caliber team. True in basketball as well. That's why I'm always wary of big numbers by someone in that conference; sometimes they back them up (Allegheny '95, Wooster '97, late 90s/early 00s Ohio Wesleyan even though they never made the series on account of being the unluckiest team I think I have ever seen), others not.

Let me ask this question: before the season started, based on games that have actually been played, how many losses would you have thought  Wooster might have at this point? The absolute highest number of D-III losses I would have given them is 4 (Heidelberg, UWSP, Rowan and Messiah) with 2 of those being games they most likely still should win. Rowan has turned out to be not their normal selves, but before the year I would have though Rowan was capable of a win. My point is they basically had scheduled no worse than about a 25-4.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 20, 2007, 09:58:57 pm
First time poster.
Spence, why are you so jaded by Wooster baseball???? Take pride in the fact that Marietta will be the benchmark of DIII baseball in Ohio until a school equals or exceeds their 4 titles.
As far as scheduling goes, I'm sure the coaches tell the AD's who they would like to play. The AD's are responsible to fill in the dates. When doing this I'm sure they are not looking for favorable pitching match-ups. So what if my #1 goes against your#4, its a baseball season. Put your best available team on the field and play the game. Every coach would like to trot their horse out to the mound every game but baseball doesn't work that way.
Wooster is probably over rated when it comes to the polls. I can't understand how a team goes from the 15th rung on the ladder to the first without touching another on the way up. The NCAA tourney will work that out. Remember, stats, polls, W's and L's mean nothing come tourney time. The championship is won on the field.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 20, 2007, 10:22:35 pm
I don't think the ADs have much in scheduling, honestly.

The wins and losses and rankings do matter in seedings (some disagree, but I think there's pretty demonstrable evidence) and are also used in recruiting. I'm sure Wooster's freshmen heard all last season about how Wooster was #1, how they were tops in the region. Just one problem; they never were the best team. They weren't second or third either. I'm sure their recruits this year are hearing the same thing. One of these days, they might actually live up to it if they keep getting great recruits based on their inflated rankings.

It also matters if Wooster would happen to somehow not win the NCAC. They've already got a ticket punched to the regional for being 29-1 and playing about five games that weren't automatic W's. Wabash is probably the worst team any of the regional contenders have lost to since early March, but that doesn't matter. So, in that scenario, Wooster would in that case take away a bid from someone else even though they would have done very little to show that they belong.

As for why I dislike Wooster, how long a list would you like? Really doesn't matter, as there's no way I'm putting it out on here. I'd probably get banned. Let's just say Wooster and Marietta are opposites in about every way they can be opposites.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 20, 2007, 10:42:10 pm
Spence,
I beleave national championships will sell a recruit more so than we where ranked #1.
I would like to hear why you dislike Wooster so much. Wooster's program is trying to get to where Marietta's program is.
I agree that the OAC is a stronger conference but you can't blame Wooster for a weak NCAC.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 20, 2007, 11:16:36 pm
I hope you're right about the national title vs. #1! :) I would anticipate a bump in recruiting on that, but the hay was in the barn on last year's class before the Series.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 21, 2007, 09:54:17 am
As for why I dislike Wooster, how long a list would you like? Really doesn't matter, as there's no way I'm putting it out on here. I'd probably get banned. Let's just say Wooster and Marietta are opposites in about every way they can be opposites.
Sounds to me like you need some help?! ::) ???  Maybe a visit to the local shrink for a couch session is in order for you. 

Wabash is probably the worst team any of the regional contenders have lost to since early March, but that doesn't matter.
This just shows your blind hatred towards Wooster and how you put no evidence to back up such a rediculous statement as that!!!  Since you did say early March, I took the liberty to check your opinion. 

In terms of regional contenders, I am just considering Ott, 'Etta and the Berg even though one could throw in Transy as a regional contender out of the HCAC (and an opponent that Wooster beat earlier in the year that you failed to mention as a quality win).  Starting with the preseason #1 team in the nation Otterbein, they didn't take long to not live up to their billing falling to perrenial bottom feeder Case who barely had enough bodies to field a team!  I would say that qualifies as a worse loss than Wabash!  Moving on to the Berg, they lost to Defiance who are just 10-18 overall.  It could very easily be argued that is a worse loss than Wooster losing to Wabash.  While 'Etta may not have as bad a loss as Wabash, losing to Cap and Wilmington is hardly anything to be proud of. 

And as far as Wabash being such a bad team, I think you are making the mistake of going by record alone.  They may be 10 games under 0.500, but 10 of their losses have been by 2 runs or less and 6 of their losses have been by a single run.  So it's not like they aren't competive!

Here's a thought.  Try putting up some facts to back some of your derogatory statements towards Wooster instead of continuing to spew them out like they are fact!

Lastly,

Woohoo! -100!

(steps up to the microphone after getting his -100th karma point)...

"I'd like to thank all the members of the NCAC message board for making this honor possible, and for contributing greatly to this milestone of negative karma. I hope they'll support me in my quest for -200."

While I'm sure that most of your negative karma points come from right here in the NCAC board (through no fault but your own mind you), I know too that you have done quite well in offending members of the D3baseball community outside of the NCAC board to help in amassing such a fine accomplishment.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 21, 2007, 12:49:55 pm
I find it positively hilarious that you down me for lack of facts, then proceed to be wrong on almost everything.

I guess you don't consider March 10 early March to bring up the Case/Ott game. Get a calendar. Strange things happen early in the season sometimes.

Defiance is in a better conference than Wabash and has a better record. Defiance also has two wins over Rose-Hulman, one over Manchester, one over Mount St. Joseph. They don't have a great record nor have they played nationally-ranked caliber competition, but they really haven't played very many poor teams at all. Wabash didn't have a win over anyone as good as any of those 4 wins above before Wooster. Their top win would have been against Wittenberg or North Park I guess. Sorry, I don't care if you've played games within 1 or 2 runs, 11-21 and 4-9 in a mediocre conference isn't very good.

I'm still on the fence on Transy. I guess it's a decent win, but still unsure that their pitching is good enough to get them anything. They're only 3-4 in April and haven't allowed less than 5 runs in any of those games. They do have some decent wins, but most of them are of the slugfest variety that don't really get much mileage down the line in my experience. They started 13-3 against mostly middling opponents. Since then, they're 6-5 with 3 of those wins coming over Anderson.

You really show your lack of research in denigrating Capital. Capital split with Averett, Otterbein, Heidelberg, Marietta, and just beat Washington & Jefferson. They played a very challenging non-conference schedule, one of if not the best in the region. 10 of their 13 losses are by two runs or less, to borrow your stat, only they're 13-13 and have played very good opponents. If they can stand prosperity against the second division of the conference, they stand a good chance to be in the conference tournament. They've got three wins in six days over nationally ranked teams!

Is all of that enough facts for your tastes?

Wilmington is the L to pick on if there is one for Marietta. WILM can hit and field the baseball well, but their pitching is hit or miss; George in particular because of his control issues. When it's hit though, they can be tough. Didn't say it was anything to write home about, but they're definitely better than Wabash, which is all I did say. Wilmington would most likely be in the division series in the NCAC West and would be nearly a lock in the East.

Here's a thought to counter your thought. When you present demonstrably incorrect opinions you think are facts after chastising someone for their lack of facts, you look like a real dope.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 22, 2007, 07:52:43 am
Does anyone know what happened to Wooster's Mike Barone? Noticed he is not on this years roster. I beleave this would be his senior year. Seemed to be a pretty decent player for them for 3 years.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 22, 2007, 09:51:29 am
Wooster got the bats going on a beautiful day in Hiram (oxymoron alert) and downed the Pups 14-1 and 24-3.  Imagine the lacing they'd have put on an OAC team such as Marietta; they'd probably have put 60 or 70 runs on the board and sent them home crying.

Left field in Hiram slopes downward to the outfield fence.  Neither line even has a foul pole.  The dugouts are not large enough to hold a full team of players so about a third of them must sit on an added bench further down the baseline.  The "press box" is a card table under an awning.  There is no refreshment stand.  One can only hope that after nicely updating their indoor facility that the baseball field will be next in line.  And to the guys announcing the game: is it necessary to blare loud music between every batter?  C'mon, this is baseball, allow a little peace, quiet, and conversation!

If I'm remembering this correctly, Wooster has added two games for next Sunday: Marietta at Otterbein followed by Otterbein at Otterbein.  The Otterbein game, according to the Otterbein website, is slated for a 4 PM start.  No doubt both schools (and I use the term lightly) were bullied into playing these games by those at Wooster, and I feel for them, I really do.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 22, 2007, 11:05:41 am
And to the guys announcing the game: is it necessary to blare loud music between every batter?  C'mon, this is baseball, allow a little peace, quiet, and conversation!

I'm glad I'm not the only one annoyed by this practice. I have seen 4 games of local schools at 4 different facilities this year and they all do the same crap. It's like being at an NBA game. Blech.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Nonbiased Observer on April 22, 2007, 12:35:14 pm
To me, the railing against the Wooster schedule is a simple thing to fix: Do what you did last year and beat them when it counts.

People can claim all they want that you can recruit to what your seed always is. While that's true, if you can routinely beat them as Spence claims, then you have the ultimate trump card.

And by the way, Kent's regulars played.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on April 22, 2007, 01:34:42 pm
Wooster got the bats going on a beautiful day in Hiram (oxymoron alert) and downed the Pups 14-1 and 24-3.  Imagine the lacing they'd have put on an OAC team such as Marietta; they'd probably have put 60 or 70 runs on the board and sent them home crying.


It's obvious that you don't get along with Spence on this board, but is a comment like this really necessary considering there are other OAC and Marietta fans around?  Just wondering.  I've read  a lot of your comments over the last few years and it's obvious that you know what you're talking about and are very faithful to your team, which is a good thing. 
Being a Marietta grad though, I'm pretty sure if you spent any time whatsoever around the late Coach Schaly, or the outstanding program he built, you wouldn't take all of your frustrations against Spence out on Marietta itself.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2007, 03:01:10 pm
Eh it's not like anyone that follows the OAC would or should believe that dreck. Heck Hiram left our league for one in which they could be more competitive, the NCAC. We came out ahead, picking up Wilmington, who is better in practically every sport, and has better weather :)

The funny thing is that the comment couldn't be any further from the truth. The OAC's last place team -- Muskingum is 18-12 overall with a split of Denison who may be in the NCAC championship series. They beat Hiram 21-1, 18-2, so maybe Wooster's no better than the worst team in the OAC? (No I don't really believe that; just demonstrating absurdity by being just as absurd). The fish are 1-9 against the OAC, 5-2 against the NCAC.

There are three teams in the NCAC with winning records: Wooster, Wittenberg and Ohio Wesleyan. That's it. Wittenberg is 1-4 against the OAC, FYI.

To argue that the depth of the OAC is less than the NCAC is ridiculous, and I don't think he was seriously doing so.

I think he was just trolling.

Too bad Boydsworld doesn't do season updates of the ISRs for D-III. They've done season end ones the last 3 years. I'm working my way through them right now to do conference rankings.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 22, 2007, 06:59:09 pm
Mideastfan -

Of course I don't believe what I wrote when I compared Hiram to an OAC team.  Why would you even take such a comment seriously?  I make one obviously absurd yet sarcastic remark about your league and you jump on me.  We Wooster fans have had to listen to Spence for two years.  Wonder how you'd like that if he was as anti-Marietta as he is anti-Wooster?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2007, 08:43:09 pm
I'm not anti-anyone...ok maybe a little in that the two programs are rivals and opposites outside of that. But I don't say anything about Wooster or the NCAC that isn't true as far as I believe and I certainly don't say anything absurd for the sole purpose of being inflammatory.

My honest opinion on Wooster is that there's no way to know how good they are right now, and based on that it's pretty tough to say they're the best in the nation, or even the region. Unfortunately, it's pretty much what we're stuck with, since even a #1 vs. #3 matchup with Otterbein or #2 vs. #5 against Denison isn't really going to tell us that much.



Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 22, 2007, 09:35:29 pm
As for why I dislike Wooster, how long a list would you like? Really doesn't matter, as there's no way I'm putting it out on here. I'd probably get banned. Let's just say Wooster and Marietta are opposites in about every way they can be opposites.

Not anti-Wooster?  You dislike Wooster as much as I dislike Bush Republicans.  Believe me, my reasons are considerably more legitimate and I'm not afraid to list them.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 23, 2007, 01:44:28 am
Be that as it may, I don't make up things that are just demonstrably wrong for the purpose of getting people riled up.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 23, 2007, 08:23:10 am
Spence-
  So why do you spend so much time on the NCAC board again? 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 24, 2007, 01:07:30 pm
I post to a lot of boards.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on April 24, 2007, 03:07:28 pm
Wooster is once again ranked #1 in the updated poll.  As much as I'd like to see Marietta in the top spot, I DO ENJOY seeing another Ohio team at the top; whether it be Wooster, Otterbein, or Ohio Wesleyan in year past.

It shows the rest of the D3 baseball population that the mideast region (and Ohio in particular) is truly the most talented region out there.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 24, 2007, 03:21:26 pm
My honest opinion on Wooster is that there's no way to know how good they are right now,

I think what Spence is implying is that since they are winning all these games, they have not really shown just how good they can be.   
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 24, 2007, 07:34:04 pm
My honest opinion on Wooster is that there's no way to know how good they are right now,

I think what Spence is implying is that since they are winning all these games, they have not really shown just how good they can be.   

Well kind of. If they were 33-1 in the OAC or another power conference, then we'd know because that's really hard to do throwing all your top pitchers in the conference games, some of which are midweek, and just doing what you can to put pitchers out there in the non-conference.

The NCAC was an upper second tier conference but took a big step down last year with Allegheny's collapse and Denison's step back. I wouldn't be surprised if they're down even from that this year when the post-season ISRs come out.

Last year Wooster went 38-9 but was only ranked #26 at the end of the year in the ISRs. New Jersey was 38-8 and ranked #1. That's the difference in schedules.

Right now what they've done seems like an Alvernia or Johns Hopkins. It's just tough to tell if they're better than that or not, and it's really going to be pretty tough for them to prove otherwise until regionals.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 24, 2007, 08:31:13 pm
Wooster have had monster players for a few years and sometimes, the team relaxes and expects them to carry the team.  Wooster might be finding their success lies with their team play.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 25, 2007, 12:07:12 pm
Wooster drops a 5-3 decision in 12 to Otterbein on 4/24. Woo web site has a DH vs Marietta on Sunday posted.
Jim, you may be right but, big time players need to elevate their game at crunch time.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 25, 2007, 12:16:16 pm
A good ballgame at Wooster yesterday afternoon, Otterbein prevailing 5-3 in twelve innings.  The Scots had lots of chances early, in that they hit lots of hard balls right at people plus left tons of baserunners on.  Once, however, Otterbein reliever Trevor Horn came on Wooster could do nothing with him.  He's a mountain who throws hard and pitched 5.1 very strong innings.

The saga of Wooster's upcoming schedule continues to unfold.  Tonight's game at Denison has been pushed back to tomorrow night due to the weather.  This weekend now has the Scots hosting Marietta on Sunday for a doubleheader starting at noon.  Hopefully this will pan out, but Marietta has league DHs scheduled for tomorrow at Muskingum and at Marietta Saturday against Heidelberg.  If either of those run into weather problems, the embattled Wooster-Marietta contests will probably die on the vine.

Baseball caps are a personal item.  Most players bend the bill in a gentle curve.  Some put a single sharp crease right in the middle, as former Wooster player Trevor Uban did.  Years ago, I used to put two firm creases in my bill, creating a flat surface in the middle with both sides angling slightly down.

Then there's Wooster's freshman reliever Mark Miller.  The bill on his cap resembles the Bonneville salt flats; wide, flat, untouched and pristine.  You could race cars on it.  One can picture Miller walking by the box of new hats last winter, snagging one, and without a glance at it sticking it on his head.  It probably hasn't come off.  Some guys are into style, others just want the ball.  Miller is definitely in the latter camp, much more interested in the movement on his fastball then the shape of the bill on his cap.  Gimme a staff of guys like Mark Miller and I'll go to war with anybody.    
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on April 25, 2007, 12:51:51 pm
Miller sounds like a gamer. 

Personally, I'd take 9 Trevor Urban's any day, that guy knew how to play the game.  He was part of some great Wooster teams in the late 90's that battled Marietta, Ohio Wesleyan and Alleghney each year in some of the best regionals at Pioneer Park and Canton.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 25, 2007, 01:35:52 pm
Big win for Otterbein and the OAC.

Ratliff has an ERA of 5.87 after that game, btw. He's at best their #3. Trapuzzano's at worst Wooster's #2.

Looks from the box and pbp that both teams could have scored several more runs. Otterbein had more hits and extra base hits, Wooster more walks and hit by pitch.

Overall a pretty close game, which I think should have been expected considering the matchups.

I would like to have seen the Ohio Dominican-Marietta game made up before Wooster; the Marietta program has a lot more connection to ODU and Coach Page and ODU is probably the better ballclub at 32-8 and ranked 13th in NAIA. Plus it's a home game.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 25, 2007, 03:47:21 pm
WB, times have certainly changed. I came from the Bob Morgan era. No room for self expression in his book. Pants were to be cuffed just below the knees, sturrup socks? pulled no higher than mid-shin, hair trimmed off the ears and collar, and no facial hair. He was a my way or highway kind of guy.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 25, 2007, 04:22:58 pm
We all used to wear the stirrup socks over sani-socks.  The stirrups were cut in half at the bottom and a piece of elastic was sewn in giving them more length.  They were then pulled up really high, almost Frank Robinson style, so it was basically a dark stripe on each side of your leg.  I thought that looked much better than how it's done now, with the pants coming down all the way to the shoes.  We could bunt, too. :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 25, 2007, 06:29:09 pm
Spence, their #3 beating our #2? I wish you would get off angle. How about two good teams competing hard to win regardless of pitching stats. You failed to mention the 5 plus  relief innings by Otterbein's Horn.  He gave up one hit, great job. If the schedule pans out, I think the last week of Wooster's regular season will tell how far they could go in the tourney.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 25, 2007, 08:43:23 pm
Why would I get off angle? It's worth mentioning that Otterbein left its top two pitchers on the shelf and got a win over what in the opinion of the ABCA is the top team in the country and the Mideast Region at their house. We saw what Remenowsky did last year to a better hitting lineup than this year's Wooster. And I'm not so sure Trapuzzano's not better than Samson; he doesn't strike out as many but he doesn't give away baserunners.

No I didn't fail to mention it Horn's relief appearance. I never intended to mention it. It wasn't part of what I was talking about. I was talking about starting pitchers.

Maybe Horn has improved. I wouldn't know; we didn't see. Otterbein threw their best against us and neither game was close enough to require a closer. But we had 8 hits in 6 innings against him last year. Y'all got 1 hit in 5 1/3 (cue Bob Uecker) and your only good chance to score on him was created by him (walk, WP, WP). He did only give up one run, but one could surmise that was a bit of good fortune, as was Otterbein's record against all last year. In the last game, the luck caught up with Horn and Ott.

As for the rest of the season, I'm sure it'll be nice to throw Samson and Trapuzzano against not even midweek guys. Marietta'll be down to #5 and #6 at the best (haven't heard if Baumler is available yet; if he's not I don't even know who would throw the 2nd game against Wooster, since we've only had 6 guys start), lower if they have to use relievers in the conference games, which are all vitally important. If Marietta goes 4-0, Otterbein needs to go 4-0 to host the conference tournament which would include sweeping at John Carroll. It would be nice to not have to go to Westerville for the fourth time in two years.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Nonbiased Observer on April 25, 2007, 09:25:37 pm
Spence,

I don't know that a 12-inning game gives us anny indication of which team is better. To me, it seems like a 12-iinning game might indicate the teams were even.

And Wooster left 11 in scoring position in that game, from what I read.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 25, 2007, 09:33:09 pm
If I'm Wooster's coach I don't pitch Samson or Trap against Etta or Otterbein. Why give them a look at what they might face at the regionals. Last year Woo played Otterbein twice during the season without facing their ace. Then in the regionals he shut them down.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 25, 2007, 10:48:08 pm
Spence,

I don't know that a 12-inning game gives us anny indication of which team is better. To me, it seems like a 12-iinning game might indicate the teams were even.

And Wooster left 11 in scoring position in that game, from what I read.

May be true, they left 15 total I know. They didn't leave much in the last several innings because there wasn't much to leave.

If someone wanted to argue that Otterbein's mid-week pitching and Wooster's top pitching constitutes even teams, I probably wouldn't disagree.

And I doubt it matters too much that Wooster has seen Remenowsky before if they meet again. He's really good. If he were left-handed he might be in High-A or AA ball.

It seems evident that Wooster is chasing every win they can this season, and I can't really say I blame them. The #1 seed is big in a 7 team format, even though it didn't help them last year, and one could also say that if Wooster sweeps Marietta, then that might help kill Marietta's chances of a Pool C bid (not saying it should, just that it might). So those are reasons to throw your best.

Of course, you could lose to Denison and John Carroll throwing your down the line stuff, then get beat with your best and be SOL. But that's a chance worth taking, I imagine.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Nonbiased Observer on April 25, 2007, 10:54:59 pm
I don't know Spence. You seem to have a misplaced problem with Wooster. They can only play who is on their schedule. It's not that team's fault the NCAC stinks.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 25, 2007, 11:52:30 pm
I would counter by saying they can only be judged on what they do against who they play. I don't see how a team that's played only 5-7 games against anything resembling competition can be ranked #1 in the nation or #1 in the region when teams like Otterbein are in it. But chances are they'll still be tops in the region even though Otterbein beat them at Wooster despite being at a pitching disadvantage.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I'm calling it like I see it. The last two non-conference games they haven't exactly set the world on fire against good OAC teams throwing their off pitching. The offense has scored 13 runs in their last 4 non-divisional games. They've got 43 home runs in 35 games, but take a guess how many they have against the better Mideast region teams they've played? (OWU, Transy, Baldwin-Wallace, Heidelberg, Otterbein) Was 0 your guess? They hit more than half their homers (28) in 13 games against the NCAC East and Case Western.

They've got decent top-end pitching. Trapuzzano has done what he does against everyone for two years. To me he's their most proven commodity against high-end competition. Samson blew away Anderson and Ohio Wesleyan early in the year and their weaker opponents and of course Kent State, which FWIW only scored 3 the day before against Malone. I'm thinking going into a big series against Miami they weren't real focused on a pair of non D-I midweek games. Just my guess.

We don't know about much else pitching-wise. They've got nice numbers, but Barnes got torn up against Stevens Point, and DeGrand labored against Rowan (in a game Barnes did throw well in as a reliever). For those two, there's not really much else to look at against the type of competition they'll see in the postseason or would see in the OAC. Otterbein hit Miller and only struck out once and he walked two against Heidelberg before getting a double play. Miller's thrown well in a few other games against decent to good opponents (Baldwin-Wallace, albeit it was just about dark late in that game, UWSP) He seems to be used strictly as a relief guy, but might be their third best pitcher.

I guess time will tell how misplaced I am. Turn back the clock a year and see what i was saying and all the static I got. And, most importantly, the result.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Nonbiased Observer on April 25, 2007, 11:56:07 pm
Like I said, if they're not good, beat them when it counts.

But, they don't seem to be all that awful.

You just seem to have misplaced angst against either the Wooster team or the system.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 26, 2007, 12:12:51 am
Shrug last year we never got the chance, which is fine. I wouldn't care if we never played them.

Call it whatever you want. I'm just tired of seeing certain teams, and Wooster is one but not the only one, consistently overranked in the regular season while living up to it far fewer times. The problem with the "beat them when it counts" mantra is that they've still gained ground they didn't earn with their ranking, prestige, seeding, whatnot.

On the flipside of that, I'm equally tired of seeing teams that take some losses in solid leagues and against challenging non conference schedules not given credit for it.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 26, 2007, 09:47:44 am
And I'm equally tired of hearing you fill the NCAC board with your constant whining!!! ::)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 26, 2007, 12:58:03 pm
Other people apparently aren't, since they keep replying to me and furthering discussion.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 26, 2007, 02:00:46 pm
I'm tired of you too, Spence, very much so.

Much of what you write has a basis in fact.  Wooster's league is indeed weak, weaker even than in recent years.  Because of this, the Scots have been able to throw their top of the line pitchers against non-league opponents.  I'd say that Wooster probably is somewhat overrated and that it's not at all clear how well they'll do in the NCAAs.

But this is all common knowledge.  Virtually everybody that reads this board is aware of this and does not need you to continually attempt to shove it down their throats.  Your tone is what sets you apart; it contains a dislike of Wooster and it's program that I find abhorrent, especially since when pushed to the pine you refuse to put forth any reasons.

You blame the Wooster program for things that it has no control over.  Is it Wooster's fault that their league is weak?  Of course not, and you know that.  Is it their fault that they are possibly a bit overrated by the pollsters?  Not at all, but one would think so from reading your posts. 

Does Wooster manipulate the schedule to obtain an advantage?  Hell no, it takes two to tango, and when a game is lined up no one has been coerced to play it.  In order to level the playing field, should Wooster throw second-line pitchers in their non-league games when their front-line guys are rested and ready to go?  Heck no, they're going out there to play to win, just as their opponents are.

Spence, fifty years ago, well before the internet, conversations such that take place in this forum generally occurred in neighborhood taverns.  Imagine you, as a Giants' fan, bellying up to some bar in Brooklyn and spouting off, as you do here regarding Wooster, about how the Dodger organization completely sucks.  You'd last about two minutes before some truck driver or cabby either broke your nose or, if you were luckier, gave you the bum's rush out the door.

You epitomize one of the major problems with the internet.  Anyone can pretty much say anything anywhere.   While that may sound well and good on the surface, unfortunately it comes with this little tidbit.  No one is accountable for their actions. Here, all you need is a thick skin and persistance and you can annoy everyone to no end.  You've had lots of success at doing that over the last two years.

But believe me, the vast majority of readers of this forum know you for what you are and would be very happy to see you move on to some other locale.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 26, 2007, 05:36:44 pm
What you see as a problem I see as a virtue. Free speech is what has traditionally set America apart and the Internet is our importation of that virtue to the world.

It's your prerogative to believe it or not. Just like you don't have to listen to a guy on the street corner, or in the grocery line, or on television. If you don't think I have a clue about what I'm talking about (that would be foolhardy, but whatever), fine. Skip the post.

I think that's the first time I've seen anyone on here allow that Wooster might be overrated in 1 1/2 seasons.

As for it being common knowledge what I say, if it is then why do you all react so defensively when I say it? And why does Wooster keep getting ranked #1 and getting top seeds? I'd say it's not as common as you think.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 26, 2007, 11:05:53 pm
What you see as a problem I see as a virtue. Free speech is what has traditionally set America apart and the Internet is our importation of that virtue to the world.

Free speech means "free from prior restraint". It does NOT mean "free from consequences" (e.g. karma like Bush's approval rating).

Both you and Don Imus are great examples of that.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 26, 2007, 11:32:37 pm
I'm well aware of what it doesn't mean.

However, the worst consequences of being honest and steadfast so far has been a negative karma rating. I sleep just fine at night.

I really doubt you want to hear my take on Don Imus.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 27, 2007, 03:39:35 am
You've been steadfast but far short of honest, your comments on Wooster's scheduling being a prime example.  And the fact that we're only able to hit you with negative karma points rather than the left hooks that you would surely receive in a Brooklyn bar is exactly my point.

I've said this before and I'll say it again.  I don't give a flying hoot if you come in here and claim that Wooster can't hit, field, or pitch.  That's your opinion.  But you've continually taken it farther than that, insinuating that the program is somewhat less than ethical.  When called on to produce reasons, you cry foul, lamenting that if you put them forth you might be banned.  This is the behaviour that bothers me and I'm sure keeps you sleeping alone.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 27, 2007, 04:14:28 am
WB: I'm sure there's no reason to get personal. That's hardly an appropriate response. I let the vague threats alone the first time but given your history on this board I am surprised you would choose to go back there.

There won't be another warning on this subject.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 27, 2007, 09:26:38 am
I'm well aware of what it doesn't mean.
However, the worst consequences of being honest and steadfast so far has been a negative karma rating. I sleep just fine at night.
Weren't you involved in some sort of ban from this forum???  I'd say those were some pretty severe consequenses!  Especially since you shudder behind the excuse of being banned more than anyone else I've seen in the years I've been following D3football.com, hoops.com and now baseball.com. 

As for it being common knowledge what I say, if it is then why do you all react so defensively when I say it?  And why does Wooster keep getting ranked #1 and getting top seeds? I'd say it's not as common as you think.
I'd say the reason is that you are constantly insinuating that it is somehow Wooster's fault!  Please elaborate on how Wooster is somehow responsible for the sudden decline in the NCAC and what they should have done to prevent it??  Please elaborate on how Wooster is to blame for how they are perceived in the national and regional polls??  Please elaborate on just what more Wooster could do to strengthen their nonconference schedule??  They played some traditionally strong teams during their spring trip to Florida.  Is it their fault that some of those traditionally strong teams aren't so strong this year??  And as far as nonconference regional competition, if all things continue as a go for Sunday, Wooster will have played the top 3 teams out of the regions best conference.  Not to mention, one of the top teams out of the HCAC, which you yourself touted as the 2nd best conference in the region.  And then when they do go play and BEAT a Div I opponent you come in here and play it off like Kent St must have fielded their JV squad or something!  It's things like this that make you such an irritant to many on this board!

I think Wooster has done about as much as they could in scheduling tough nonconference competition.  You don't think they realize just how weak the competition is in the NCAC??  Why do you think they make a concerted effort to schedule the top OAC teams every year?  If they were soooooo concerned about being ranked #1 Nationally and regionally as you seem to imply, it doesn't seem like such a good strategy to go out and schedule such tough competition.  They do it so they can get a true gauge on just how good they are.  Beating up on Hiram for 4 games doesn't give you a gauge.  Losing to Ott on Tuesday gave the Scots a much better gauge on where they stand!

The bottom line is that after you get all of your conference games out of the way, and after you get all of the reshuffling of the schedule thanks to springtime in Ohio out of the way, there is only so many openings that can be filled on the schedule and I think that Wooster has traditionally done about as well as could be asked of them to go out and look for the toughest nonconference competition they can get.  Which brings me to another one of my dislikes about you and that is whining about how Wooster always seems to be at a scheduling advantage when they do face nonconference opponents.  Once again, please elaborate on just what you would ask of Wooster and their coachse to do in situations like Tuesday when, God forbid, Wooster had the benefit of going with their #2 vs. Ott's #3?! :o  The horror of it all!!! 

I've said it before and I'll say it again.  Your constant vitriol towards all things Wooster has gotten very very tired!  It's not to say that some of the things you say aren't true.  It's for the countless times you seem to put Wooster in your crosshairs for things like scheduling advantages and rankings and conference strength (or lackthereof).  These are things Wooster has not and will continue to not have any control over!  I just wish you could somehow figure this out and get off of your constant whiny little soapbox over it and DEAL WITH IT!!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 27, 2007, 10:03:07 am
Now that my Spence rant of the week is over with, I thought I'd turn my focus back onto the NCAC like what this board is meant for.

Wooster has already secured the #1 seed for the tournament.  Out of the East, Allegheny looks to be in the driver's seat in 2nd place, but Kenyon and Oberlin are still alive mathematically.  Allegheny needs a split of their 4 game series with Kenyon this weekend to eliminate the Lords.  Taking 3 of 4 would punch the Gators ticket into the NCAC tournament.

Out west, there is a different story altogether.  There are still 3 teams alive for the 2 tournament slots available.  OWU is currently alone in 1st at 11-3 followed by Denison at 10-4.  Wittenberg checks in in 3rd with a record of 8-4.  Witt has the toughest road to haul as they have makeup DH's shceduled at OWU on Saturday and at Denison on Sunday.  All the Bishops and Big Red need is splits with Witt to ensure their entry into the NCAC tournament.  If Witt could somehow split with OWU and sweep Denison they would pass the Big Red for second.  And Witt could still win the West if they pull off the unthinkabale sweep both OWU and Denison.

Once the seedings are determined, Wooster will host the 2nd place team out of the NCAC West while the 1st place team out of the NCAC West will more than likely be hosting Allegheny.  The winners of the 2 series will meet at Denison for the NCAC Tournament Championship Series May 10-11.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Nonbiased Observer on April 27, 2007, 10:53:49 pm
Denison beat Wooster 6-5 tonight.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 30, 2007, 08:24:16 am
Wooster managed to sweep Marietta on Sunday 14-0 and 7-3.  Marietta did not throw the best of their staff.  Baumler did throw 2/3 for MC coming off his injury.  Even though MC didn't throw their top guys I don't think that was the cause for MC's lack of offense. 
How Wooster's freshman Johnson?  He had a nice day playing short.  Coach moved sophomre Quimby to 2nd and put Johnson at 2nd.  Johnson made some nice plays and hit a homer.   
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 30, 2007, 09:35:43 am
Johnson looked very smooth in the field and comfortable at the position.  He made all the routine plays plus started a pretty dp with a backhanded stop on a shot in the hole.  He showed some range into the outfield on popups, and was the middle man on a cutoff play that got a Marietta runner going to third.  I hope he stays at short permanently.

John Quimby, for his part, and to my eyes, looks like a better secondbaseman than shortstop.  He made the plays there yesterday, including turning dps and making a nice play going to his left.  He still drops too many ground balls, but playing on the right side you can usually live with that, and it's nice to have Quimby's bat remain in the lineup.

Thirdbaseman Dan Skulina is out with a knee injury and did not play yesterday.  Right fielder Pat Christenson, who missed the Denison game on Friday completely, DH'd yesterday.  He has a stress fracture in one of his feet and is likely reduced to only swinging the bat for the rest of the year.  That's a blow to the Scots as he's an excellent defensive right fielder.

The big positives yesterday were the performances of both Adam Samson and Anthony Trapuzzano.  Both were strong and went the distance and clearly look ready for post-season play.  I'm predicting that both Matts (Barnes and DeGrande), along with some others, will get some work at Ohio Northern on Tuesday and that Samson and Trapuzzano will go an inning or two on Wednesday against John Carroll just for a tune-up.   

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 30, 2007, 10:55:08 am
The NCAC Tournament field is almost set.  Wooster is the top seed and still awaiting their opponent.  That opponent being either Denison or Wittenberg.  Wittenberg's postseason hopes are fading after being swept yesterday by OWU.  The Bishops clinched the NCAC West with the sweep and will host Allegheny.  The Gators clinched 2nd in the NCAC East with a spit of their 4 game series with Kenyon over the weekend. 

Denison hosts Wittenberg in a DH today to determine the final piece of the NCAC tournament puzzle.  Witt needs a sweep over Denison to keep their season alive.  All Denison needs is a split to eliminate the Tigers.  Whomever ends up finsihing 2nd will have to take on Wooster at Art Murray next weekend. 

Persnoally, I'm hoping for the Big Red to be Wooster's opponent so the Scots can exact some revenge for allowing Densison to come from behind to beat them last Friday!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 30, 2007, 10:58:18 am
I was aware of Pat's stress fracture, which as mentioned stinks, because he has a great arem in right field.  I was not aware of Skulina's knee problem. 
Not a good time to have injuries. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 30, 2007, 12:07:17 pm
Johnson looked very smooth in the field and comfortable at the position.  He made all the routine plays plus started a pretty dp with a backhanded stop on a shot in the hole.  He showed some range into the outfield on popups, and was the middle man on a cutoff play that got a Marietta runner going to third.  I hope he stays at short permanently.

John Quimby, for his part, and to my eyes, looks like a better secondbaseman than shortstop.  He made the plays there yesterday, including turning dps and making a nice play going to his left.  He still drops too many ground balls, but playing on the right side you can usually live with that, and it's nice to have Quimby's bat remain in the lineup.
I didn't have the opportunity to see the Scots on Sunday.  With the lack of too many nice days this spring, I have to jump on every nice one that comes along on the weekends to catch up with my yardwork!  Anyways, I did catch the end of game 2 on the radio yesterday and both Breckenridge and Nemeth commented on how well they liked Johnson at short and Quimby at 2nd.  They were very impressed with Johnson's play at short and they too felt that Quimby looked like a better fit at 2nd.  They even commented about how they hoped the switch was permanent.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on April 30, 2007, 12:47:04 pm
Tim did mention in today's DR that we should get used to seeing Johnson at short and Q. at 2nd. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 30, 2007, 06:55:57 pm
Wooster managed to sweep Marietta on Sunday 14-0 and 7-3.  Marietta did not throw the best of their staff.  Baumler did throw 2/3 for MC coming off his injury.  Even though MC didn't throw their top guys I don't think that was the cause for MC's lack of offense. 

Actually it might have been, in the first game. Marietta got behind big early, so they simply had to sit back and swing rather than being able to pressure the opponent into mistakes and scratch across runs. Credit Wooster for jumping on the ball early and not giving MC that chance.

The second game went much better, but Christensen's hit off Baumler changed the game IMO. Hopefully Baumler's gotten a chance to get tuned up this week.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 01, 2007, 08:47:21 am
Denison completes the NCAC Tournament picture with a sweep of Witt last night.  It took extras, but the Big Red scratched a run across in the bottom of the 9th in game one to secure the NCAC Tournament bid.  With the suspense over, Dension went on to win the nightcap 4-0 behind a 2 hit, 6 strikeout performance by James Clear.

So now Wooster will host Denison with a best of three series beginning sometime Saturday afternoon while OWU will be hosting Allegheny in the other NCAC semifinal series.  The winners will meet in Denison which is the host site of the best of three NCAC Championship series which is slated to begin May 10th (a week from Thursday).
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Nonbiased Observer on May 01, 2007, 04:51:28 pm
Spence,

Your coach said the thin staff doesn't excuse the defense and hitting.

When you say what you said, it sounds excuses.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 01, 2007, 05:52:25 pm
My opinion is not limited to what coach Brewer says.

I'm not even saying anything else. Most people seem to understand what you fail to grasp.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Nonbiased Observer on May 01, 2007, 09:04:00 pm
I understand just fine. I know that a thin staff can hinder the motivation. But, thin pitchers didn't make them only get three hits in the first game.

It's called credit where credit is due. As much as fine performances by your conference's players should be credited, so should Adam Samson's in the first game Sunday.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 02, 2007, 07:50:47 am
My opinion is not limited to what coach Brewer says.

I'm not even saying anything else. Most people seem to understand what you fail to grasp.

Nice job with going completely vague once again when being called out by someone?! ::)

BTW, Wooster beat an ONU team that is fresh off a DH sweep of OAC co-leaders Otterbein over the weekend.  But I'm sure it was only due to ONU being thin in pitching that contributed to the Polar Bears committing 6 errors in the contest. ::)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 02, 2007, 09:35:12 am
Wooster's starting first baseman Sheldon Steiner did not play yesterday.  Justin Thomas started at third base but was removed in the bottom of the second inning.  I have no other information than that, but if these guys are hurt injuries are becoming a real concern for Wooster.  They've had good fortune avoiding them this season and now is not the time for that luck to change.

Starting third baseman Dan Skulina seems to be still out with a knee problem.  Starting right fielder Pat Christenson is able to swing the bat, and well, but cannot play the field.  I'll find out more today up at John Carroll.

To the lead ONU guy that did the webcast of yesterday's game: Describing virtually every batted ball as either "a big-time swing" or "up the middle" doesn't give the listener much to go on when you don't follow it up with some more information.  Your "big-time" shots varied from being routine ground balls to short to balls hit into the gap.  The "up the middle" calls ended up being anything from squibbers to the pitcher to line drive singles to center field.  You have to follow the play through after that initial statement and describe what else happens.  If it wasn't for your partner recapping each play, listerners wouldn't have had a clue as to what was going on.  It would also be nice if you gave the score more than once every three innings.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 02, 2007, 09:45:04 am
As far as the ONU announcer goes, I'm sure it's someone who isn't all that experienced.  I've listenned to the Wooster guys before and they are very good.  You're probably in the same situation as us Marietta fans; you get so used to hearing good radio guys that when someone else who isn't even close to as good comes along, you can get a little annoyed.  I know exactly how you feel.
Wooster, Marietta and Otterbein all have good radio guys; it's probably not a coincidence that they're the best three teams in the area as well.  Good programs have nice facilities and extras (radio coverage), along with top quality coaches and players.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 02, 2007, 09:54:58 am
Since you brought up play by play announcers, there's one thing Tom Hamilton does with the Indians that drives me nuts!  I'm a huge Tom Hamilton fan except for one thing.  Whenever someone for the Tribe hits a deep flyball, Hamilton always starts it off with either, "THERE'S A DRIVE...", or "WAAAAAAY BACK...!"  And after all the build up and excitement, it ends with, "...and it's caught on the warning track."  :P  That's why, whenever I'm listening to the Indians on the radio, I never get too excited until I hear the words GONE come from Hamilton's mouth! ;D

Other than that, I think Hamilton is one of the best play by play radio men out there in baseball!

I will agree with mideastfan in that having good play by play guys in the booth can spoil you when and if you are given no alternative but to listen to someone else.  The local radio station here in Wooster does an excellent job in covering Wooster's big 3 (football, basketball and baseball) and I'm sure many schools across the DIII sports landscape would be envious of the coverage Wooster's big 3 gets by WQKT and WKVX.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 02, 2007, 12:55:44 pm
I understand just fine. I know that a thin staff can hinder the motivation. But, thin pitchers didn't make them only get three hits in the first game.

It's called credit where credit is due. As much as fine performances by your conference's players should be credited, so should Adam Samson's in the first game Sunday.

It's more than that. It's a complete change in the mindset of what the team is looking to do offensively when you get behind versus when you're ahead or in a close game. I remember thinking in the second game that if we kept it close, we'd pull it out. But we couldn't keep it together on the mound long enough to do that.

I distinctly remember giving Wooster credit for jumping on top and putting the pressure on Marietta, not allowing them to play their game and put pressure on the pitcher and defense.

I'm being about as fair about this as I think I can be considering the result is really indicative of nothing except what happens when Marietta plays Wooster using their JV pitching staff. Most people on this board seemed to understand that and take it for what it was.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 02, 2007, 01:34:01 pm
Yes, a team's mindset is changed when they fall behind by a few runs early.  Yes, it does limit and alter what you might want to do.  But you're still trying to produce baserunners in any manner and to knock them in if you can.  Against Samson, Marietta didn't and couldn't, not on that day.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 02, 2007, 01:36:42 pm
All true. They did get two straight hits to start the game, but a bad baserunning mistake (by a senior no less) wiped out that threat, then Wooster put up a 3 spot and sort of changed everything.

It may also be worth noting that Marietta started a lot of inexperienced players that game, and perhaps they didn't react quite as well mentally as more veteran players might to the situation.

Very pleased with how they performed in their first game back out on the field after it though! Hopefully it carries through into a potentially very big game for regional ranking at Washington & Jefferson.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: pufin on May 02, 2007, 04:15:14 pm
So now that you seem accept that it wasn't completely about your JV pitchers giving up runs you decide to blame it on the position players?

I thought Marietta was THE program in Ohio baseball? If that is the case, second- and third-string position players should be good enough to put some runs up against Wooster. Or maybe the Scots aren't that bad a ball club themselves?

I have stayed out of the back and forth with Spence all season, but it is getting tiring. All you do, Spence, is make excuses. Excuses for Marietta losses, excuses for other teams' losses to Wooster, excuses for Ohio weather, and whatever else.

Marietta didn't have to play Wooster. Neither did ONU, or any other OAC team. Wooster is trying to play the best teams that they can given that the NCAC competition, for the most part, is generally pretty weak. Do you think Wooster doesn't want more challenge from Allegheny, Hiram, and Kenyon?

Whatever your problem is with Wooster, just let it simmer inside, and try to give a more level-headed analysis of the game. I know that you are capable of it because I see it on other boards.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on May 02, 2007, 04:49:49 pm
Nice discussion on radio broadcasts of the upper tier DIII programs.  Student run broadcasts like at Wabash are very difficult to listen to.  Sooooooo much dead air! And very little descriptive play-by play that I'm sure my take on the game only partially reflects the real game.
It makes a few things clear: 1)radio broadcast for baseball is not easy and 2)well done radio baseball broadcast is done by very experienced baseball knowledgeable people.

All-time favorite play by play man for me is Ernie Harwell from the Tigers.  I grew up listening to that sweet voice weave a story every night as a child in the summers.  Close second only because I did not start listening to him until much later in life is Vin Scully with the Dodgers.  He has that same mastery of descriptive language told from the view of a real baseball man.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 02, 2007, 05:41:21 pm
So now that you seem accept that it wasn't completely about your JV pitchers giving up runs you decide to blame it on the position players?

I thought Marietta was THE program in Ohio baseball? If that is the case, second- and third-string position players should be good enough to put some runs up against Wooster. Or maybe the Scots aren't that bad a ball club themselves?

I have stayed out of the back and forth with Spence all season, but it is getting tiring. All you do, Spence, is make excuses. Excuses for Marietta losses, excuses for other teams' losses to Wooster, excuses for Ohio weather, and whatever else.

Marietta didn't have to play Wooster. Neither did ONU, or any other OAC team. Wooster is trying to play the best teams that they can given that the NCAC competition, for the most part, is generally pretty weak. Do you think Wooster doesn't want more challenge from Allegheny, Hiram, and Kenyon?

Whatever your problem is with Wooster, just let it simmer inside, and try to give a more level-headed analysis of the game. I know that you are capable of it because I see it on other boards.

Bottom line is that Wooster has a very solid club this year and Marietta is average compared to their usual standard.   Anyone who has been around the Wooster/Marietta rivalry over the last 15 years would know this.  Marietta's pitching this year is probably the worst it's been in 30 years, so you can imagine what facing their #7 and #8 guys would be like.  They didn't have a chance to win going into the doubleheader.  That being said, maybe they'll get a shot to play Wooster in the regionals when it really counts. 
There were reasons for years and years that Wooster and Marietta didn't play during the regualr season; they just didn't run their programs the same way and neither wnated to travel to play each other, plain and simple.  With the new NCAA selection format for the regionals, it's now almost necessary to play tough regional teams.  Back in the day, a good team could play a weak schedule and rack up 35+ wins and get a bid to the regional tournament...no longer the case with all the automatic and at large bids.
 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 02, 2007, 06:01:54 pm
All-time favorite play by play man for me is Ernie Harwell from the Tigers.  I grew up listening to that sweet voice weave a story every night as a child in the summers.  Close second only because I did not start listening to him until much later in life is Vin Scully with the Dodgers.  He has that same mastery of descriptive language told from the view of a real baseball man.

Couldn't agree with you more. Here's a blog post/column I wrote for my old job.

http://www.nbcsports.com/theob/blog/2007/04/a_generation_fades_away.html
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 02, 2007, 06:24:50 pm
So now that you seem accept that it wasn't completely about your JV pitchers giving up runs you decide to blame it on the position players?

I thought Marietta was THE program in Ohio baseball? If that is the case, second- and third-string position players should be good enough to put some runs up against Wooster. Or maybe the Scots aren't that bad a ball club themselves?

I have stayed out of the back and forth with Spence all season, but it is getting tiring. All you do, Spence, is make excuses. Excuses for Marietta losses, excuses for other teams' losses to Wooster, excuses for Ohio weather, and whatever else.

Marietta didn't have to play Wooster. Neither did ONU, or any other OAC team. Wooster is trying to play the best teams that they can given that the NCAC competition, for the most part, is generally pretty weak. Do you think Wooster doesn't want more challenge from Allegheny, Hiram, and Kenyon?

Whatever your problem is with Wooster, just let it simmer inside, and try to give a more level-headed analysis of the game. I know that you are capable of it because I see it on other boards.

Bottom line is that Wooster has a very solid club this year and Marietta is average compared to their usual standard.   Anyone who has been around the Wooster/Marietta rivalry over the last 15 years would know this.  Marietta's pitching this year is probably the worst it's been in 30 years, so you can imagine what facing their #7 and #8 guys would be like.  They didn't have a chance to win going into the doubleheader.  That being said, maybe they'll get a shot to play Wooster in the regionals when it really counts. 
There were reasons for years and years that Wooster and Marietta didn't play during the regualr season; they just didn't run their programs the same way and neither wnated to travel to play each other, plain and simple.  With the new NCAA selection format for the regionals, it's now almost necessary to play tough regional teams.  Back in the day, a good team could play a weak schedule and rack up 35+ wins and get a bid to the regional tournament...no longer the case with all the automatic and at large bids.
 

Heh I'm sure Schaly would have even played Wooster at home in a scheduled game.

EDIT: That was supposed to be NOT sure.

We're scuffling a little bit, but I also think the conference is as good as it has been in years. We're not the only ones splitting. Otterbein's got 3 splits, Heidelberg's got 5 I think. There just aren't very many easy games. One of our seniors was injured early and still fighting back, and the other two have struggled to hit at one point or another.

I still think a healthy Baumler makes a big difference in the postseason if he can get there. Pitrone would help as well, he threw pretty well early.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 02, 2007, 06:31:45 pm
So now that you seem accept that it wasn't completely about your JV pitchers giving up runs you decide to blame it on the position players?

I thought Marietta was THE program in Ohio baseball? If that is the case, second- and third-string position players should be good enough to put some runs up against Wooster. Or maybe the Scots aren't that bad a ball club themselves?

I have stayed out of the back and forth with Spence all season, but it is getting tiring. All you do, Spence, is make excuses. Excuses for Marietta losses, excuses for other teams' losses to Wooster, excuses for Ohio weather, and whatever else.

Marietta didn't have to play Wooster. Neither did ONU, or any other OAC team. Wooster is trying to play the best teams that they can given that the NCAC competition, for the most part, is generally pretty weak. Do you think Wooster doesn't want more challenge from Allegheny, Hiram, and Kenyon?

Whatever your problem is with Wooster, just let it simmer inside, and try to give a more level-headed analysis of the game. I know that you are capable of it because I see it on other boards.

I can't believe I'm even bothering with this.

I'm not blaming anything on anyone. Offering analysis is not blame. Never have I said anything like "if we would have had (xxxx), we would have won." I haven't said that. I have said that it was a mismatch pitching-wise, and it was. I have said that getting behind early changed the team's offensive mindset, which it without doubt did, and might have gotten into the collective heads of a young lineup. And I think that's a reasonable guess, I never said it was a definite fact.

I have been level headed. You want not level headed? You want me being a jerk?

Here ya go: Two numbers for you. 11 and 1. Figure out what they mean, and after you do, don't talk smack to me again until those numbers are equal. 'Til then, you do not exist to me.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on May 02, 2007, 07:24:17 pm
All-time favorite play by play man for me is Ernie Harwell from the Tigers.  I grew up listening to that sweet voice weave a story every night as a child in the summers.  Close second only because I did not start listening to him until much later in life is Vin Scully with the Dodgers.  He has that same mastery of descriptive language told from the view of a real baseball man.

Couldn't agree with you more. Here's a blog post/column I wrote for my old job.

http://www.nbcsports.com/theob/blog/2007/04/a_generation_fades_away.html

Thanks for the link Pat.  I enjoyed the piece a lot.  We share a lot of common experiences.  I too moved away from Michigan before the '84 season. I probably pre-date you by a couple years though. My greatest Detroit Tiger memory is attending Al Kaline's final home game at old Tiger Stadium.  Teams from the mid-late 70's were not very good, but with Harwell and Carey calling the games it didn't really matter.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 02, 2007, 08:16:29 pm
Indeed -- I was in sixth grade when that 1984 move went down.

I wonder if "my" generation is the last one to fall asleep with the transistor radio under the pillow.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 02, 2007, 09:00:15 pm
Indeed -- I was in sixth grade when that 1984 move went down.

I wonder if "my" generation is the last one to fall asleep with the transistor radio under the pillow.

Even with all the games televised these days, it's still nice to sit outside on a summer evening and listen to a game on the radio.  I grew up a Cardinal fan, and to me nothing beat Buck and Shannon calling a Cards win over the Cubs, or Mets in the mid 80's.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 02, 2007, 10:01:48 pm
Gotta go back a few more decades for me.  I grew up listening to Mel Allen, Phil Rizzuto, and Red Barber calling the Yankee games.  Although being a kid I liked them all at the time, in retrospect I think Allen was too much of a homer and Rizzuto played the wide-eyed kid role all too well.  Barber, although maybe a bit past his prime by the time he moved to the Yankees, was a superb announcer when he did the Brooklyn Dodgers.  I liked Harwell a lot, although didn't get to listen to him all that much.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 03, 2007, 09:52:07 am
My grandma listens to all the Indians games on the radio these days.  Her eyesight is poor due to being a diabetic.  The somewhat funny thing is that my grandpa is hard at hearing.  So when I'm there during an Indians game my grandma is in one room with the radio on and my grandpa is in the other with the tv turned up REALLY LOUD.  We get to hear each play twice because of the delay.   :P

I too enjoy listening to a game on the radio more than watching on tv, but my wife has really enjoyed watching tribe games with me of late on tv so I'll take that.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 03, 2007, 11:12:17 am
I wonder if "my" generation is the last one to fall asleep with the transistor radio under the pillow.
Include me in that generation.  I didn't get hooked on baseball until my family returned to northeast Ohio in the early 80's.  Growing up in Florida and Texas my favorite team was the Pirates, because their spring training facilities were near where I lived and it was during the 'We Are Family' days.  We then moved to Dallas where my passion became all things Dallas Cowboys.  The Rangers were good for a game or two to go watch in the summer, but I never really got into them. 

It wasn't until we moved back to Ohio that my passion for baseball and the Indians took off.  And that is when I was introduced to listening to Herb Score calling Tribe games in bed and hoping against all hope that this was the year the Indians would finally do something.  And occasionally, the Indians would hang around until August or so getting everyone worked up, only to flatline and be 10-20 games out by the end of September?!

I guess that is what I love most about baseball.  Every fan of every team can share in the excitement of not knowing what a new season will bring (unless your a Royals fan? :P).  Look at what the Tigers did last year.  They went from a team that lost almost 100 games in '05 to the World Series!  I'm just hoping, with the good start that the Tribe has gotten off to, that they might be this year's Detroit Tigers!!! 8)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 03, 2007, 11:39:03 am
The best news in yesterday's Wooster victory at JCU was that Steiner and Thomas both played.  It turns out that neither had been injured at all.  Also, Rob Skulina returned and saw some action at third base.  Various pitchers saw some action and the Scots staff is poised for the 2 out of 3 series against Denison that begins at 1 PM on Saturday at Art Murray Field.

Larry Miller, here's hoping that you found out what you were supposed to do at which Subway and got the team fed. :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on May 03, 2007, 10:10:07 pm
When I was a kid I would listen to Milo Hamilton call Astros games on KTRH out of Houston. I went to sleep with those headphones on every night there was a game. Those West Coast road trips made for some late nights.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 03, 2007, 10:19:36 pm
Those West Coast road trips made for some late nights.
Tell me about it.  At least you were in Central Time! ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 04, 2007, 12:14:06 am
I also used to listen to Ernie Harwell at every opportunity when I was a youth, even though I was not particularly fond of the Tigers.  That 1968 season was magical, though.

Today, my vagabond lifestyle gives me the opportunity (thanks to XM Radio) to taste the radio broadcasts from all across America.  As a lifelong Indians fan, I enjoy Tom Hamilton and Mike Hegan, although I'd understand if fans of other teams didn't care for Hammy.  There's no Ernie Harwells out there anymore, and the current Detroit broadcasters are sad substitutes.  Harwell was always modest about the Tigers and respectful of their opponents, whereas Dan Dickerson seems to believe that every Tiger player is some sort of god.  It's tiresome.

I do like the broadcasts from Toronto (Jerry Howarth), San Francisco (Jon Miller), Oakland (Ken Korach and Vince Cotroneo), Kansas City (Denny Matthews), and Colorado (Jeff Kingery).  The Yankee broadcasters (John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman) are hard to listen to, but their smugness perfectly matches their team.  I find the Minnesota broadcasts (John Gordon) annoying ("touch 'em all!!!"), and the San Diego team (Jerry Coleman and particularly Ted Leitner) unbearable, but the worst bar none is Ed Farmer for the White Sox.  (Coincidentally, the White Sox also have the worst TV broadcaster, Ken Harrelson.)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2007, 12:19:21 am
Indeed -- I was in sixth grade when that 1984 move went down.

I wonder if "my" generation is the last one to fall asleep with the transistor radio under the pillow.
Then my generation was the last generation that would talk our biology teacher into playing the transistor in class to hear the World Series, while we did "busy" work or work sheets at our desks.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 04, 2007, 12:33:48 am
Heck, my fifth grade teacher, the 6'5" Mr. Harmon, brought his own tv (black and white, of course) into class so we could watch the Yanks play the Braves in 1957.  Those who weren't interested were sent to the back of the class to read.  The rest of us were frustrated by the Milwaukee pitching staff, especially Lew Burdette, as he won three ballgames and led the Braves to the championship.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 04, 2007, 07:16:45 am
Spence, I give,what does 11 and 1 mean? Also todays  Pittsburgh Post Gazette (5/4) states the the Marietta's Matt Desalvo is being called up by the N.Y. Yankees.

As for radio announcers, "The Gunner" Bob Prince of the Pirates had to be one of the best and most colorful. A few of his quotes, " a bug on the rug" for a gapper, "tweener" for a ball barely far or foul, "by a knats eye lash" for a close call at a base.He also had a term he coined as "hidden vigorious" which he would use when the bucs where on a losing streak.It meant  the longer you lose, the closer you come to winning. Very profound.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 04, 2007, 09:08:18 am
...but the worst bar none is Ed Farmer for the White Sox.  (Coincidentally, the White Sox also have the worst TV broadcaster, Ken Harrelson.)
Couldn't agree more with that.  Especially Harrelson!  Nothing grinds me more than his, "You can put on the boooooooooooooard, YES!" calling of home runs?!  One thing for certain.  I already don't like the Sox with a passion and they both go a long way in contributing  to my distaste for that franchise. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on May 04, 2007, 12:14:49 pm
You might then enjoy this website:

Heave the Hawk (http://www.heavethehawk.com/signup.html)

He Gone!  :D
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 04, 2007, 12:20:14 pm
Spence, I give,what does 11 and 1 mean? Also todays  Pittsburgh Post Gazette (5/4) states the the Marietta's Matt Desalvo is being called up by the N.Y. Yankees.


It's not 11 and 1 like a football record. It's 11, and 1. Two separate numbers used in comparison to each other.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 04, 2007, 01:04:04 pm
David,

Thanks for the link.  I got a good chuckle out of that.  I especially liked this:

Hawkism
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pronunciation: ho'kiz'um
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle Hillbilly & Late White Trashian; from Middle Hillbilly howgism, from Late White Trashian trailer vernacular, from Spanish trasho del blanco, from French trasche blanche

1. A catch phrase commonly used by "Ken."
2. Standard parlance of an incompetent hillbilly; staple of stylized speech patterns associated with South Carolinian trailer communities; used to "describe" an event (or even a sequence of events) without uttering more than 8 or 9 syllables; in essence, a substitute for original thought.

(http://www.heavethehawk.com/images/01_01.jpg)

Classic!!!

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 04, 2007, 04:49:34 pm
O.K. Spence. I still give. Explain please?

Another Bob Prince quote, "You can kiss it good-bye" HR.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 04, 2007, 06:34:46 pm
Sigh...it wasn't really intended for everyone, just that individual that was mockingly questioning Marietta as "The Program" in Ohio.

I'm not really interested in acknowledging that individual further, so I'd rather not give the answer out, not to mention that it's just going to upset other people here further.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 05, 2007, 06:38:02 pm
The secondhand-word is that the Mideast Regional will be hosted by Wooster and held in Strongsville, at the complex west of I-71 where a former franchise in the Great Lakes Collegiate league used to play.  This is great news for Scots fans as it's only about an hour from Wooster and is an excellent facility, even including a second diamond.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 05, 2007, 07:15:34 pm
So I take it this eliminates basically any possibility of a walkup crowd?

Makes it easier to ship teams from over east though. I was hoping that someone had put a bid in for Chillicothe though if they were going to go non D-III site. Good facility, good support for baseball in the town.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 05, 2007, 07:18:19 pm
WB,

Were you able to make it to the semis today?  That first game looks like it would have been a fun one to watch.  Again, too much for me to do around the house to justify spending my afternoon watching baseball.  Besides, to tell you the truth,  if I had the time, I would've probably found my way to try and hit that little white ball instead anyways! :P

They're showing on Wooster's Baseball Homepage that the Scots swept Densison out of the tournament by the scores of 2-1 and 8-2.  Was that a match-up of staff aces in game 1?  The last score I caught was that it was 1-1 in the 3rd with Samson giving up the only run he allowed in the top of the 1st.  He must've been dealing after the 1st inning!

And Trapuzzano got it done in game two as the Scots offense came to life belting out 17 hits to score their 8 runs!

I haven't heard any word out of Delaware today.  I noticed that their 1st game wasn't scheduled to start until 4:15 today and they were going to play 2 if needed tomorrow.  So, in any event, Wooster won't be finding out their opponent for this coming week's finals until tomorrow.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 06, 2007, 09:07:09 am
OWU took game one yesterday afternoon over Allegheny, 10-5.

They will conclude their series this afternoon.

Over in the OAC, their tournament field is set.  Heidelberg garnered the top seed and will host the tournament starting May 10th.  Marietta and Ott will square off in the 1st game followed by the Berg vs. Capital.  The OAC uses a round robin format, unlike the NCAC which uses best of 3 series for the semis and finals. 

In other regional news, the HCAC tournament begins the 10th as well and is being hosted by top seeded Transy.  They will be taking on 4th seeded Manchester in game one.  Game 2 has 2nd seeded Mt. St. Joes taking on Anderson.  The HCAC uses a round robin format as well.

And Hope won the MIAA regular season title gaining the automatic bid into the tournament as they don't have a conference tournament.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2007, 10:26:07 am
You might then enjoy this website:

Heave the Hawk (http://www.heavethehawk.com/signup.html)

He Gone!  :D

David,

Thanks for the link.  I got a good chuckle out of that.  I especially liked this:

Hawkism
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pronunciation: ho'kiz'um
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle Hillbilly & Late White Trashian; from Middle Hillbilly howgism, from Late White Trashian trailer vernacular, from Spanish trasho del blanco, from French trasche blanche

1. A catch phrase commonly used by "Ken."
2. Standard parlance of an incompetent hillbilly; staple of stylized speech patterns associated with South Carolinian trailer communities; used to "describe" an event (or even a sequence of events) without uttering more than 8 or 9 syllables; in essence, a substitute for original thought.

(http://www.heavethehawk.com/images/01_01.jpg)

Classic!!!
Man that is great stuff!

I could understand that dialect!  That's real baseball talk!   :) :D ;D 8)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 06, 2007, 01:00:22 pm
This morning's Wooster Daily Record has confirmed that the Mideast Regional will be held in Strongsville, Ohio at Mills Field.  I couldn't be happier.  First of all, I believe that these regionals should always be held at neutral sites.  Secondly, this location is only an hour from Wooster and is an excellent facility.  The playing surface is excellent and the aesthetics of the field are terrific.  Plus, the area is just a couple of miles from Southpark Center Mall which has plenty of restaurants available for those that want a short break from the baseball.  I'd heartily recommend Buca di Beppo, a great family style Italian place (get the 1893 Salad).

http://www.bucadibeppo.com/menu/default.aspx?id=3506
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 06, 2007, 01:32:00 pm
OWU took game one yesterday afternoon over Allegheny, 10-5.

They will conclude their series this afternoon.

Over in the OAC, their tournament field is set.  Heidelberg garnered the top seed and will host the tournament starting May 10th.  Marietta and Ott will square off in the 1st game followed by the Berg vs. Capital.  The OAC uses a round robin format, unlike the NCAC which uses best of 3 series for the semis and finals. 

In other regional news, the HCAC tournament begins the 10th as well and is being hosted by top seeded Transy.  They will be taking on 4th seeded Manchester in game one.  Game 2 has 2nd seeded Mt. St. Joes taking on Anderson.  The HCAC uses a round robin format as well.

And Hope won the MIAA regular season title gaining the automatic bid into the tournament as they don't have a conference tournament.

Good information, point of clarification. The OAC and HCAC don't use round robin formats. It's simply a 4-team, double elimination -- first round games, then winners play, losers play, one-loss teams play, championship round. Round robin would be if each team played every other team, making for three games for each team. Maybe you already knew that but just making sure for anyone that might not have.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 06, 2007, 06:52:04 pm
OWU, as expected, completed the sweep of Allegheny today by the final of 9-1.  Wooster and OWU will square off next Thursday in Granville.  Time is still TBA.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 06, 2007, 11:39:02 pm
If it's anything like the (I believe) original Buca's in Minneapolis then I second the recommendation.

My mom, who is the best Italian cook I know, uses Buca's to cater large family functions. :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2007, 11:45:57 pm
Buca di Beppo is good food to feed a small group of 25-50, seriously.

And the ambience is like no other restaurant that I have ever seen.

Sophia Loren, Gina Lollobrigida, numerous famous Italian statues, you name it!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 07, 2007, 12:25:00 am
Yep. You can eat there with a small party too, though. Just don't order one entree for each person. :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 07, 2007, 05:01:10 am
I've never been to the Buca's in Strongsville, only the one in Columbus.  It was just a real fun experience.  Built in the basement of an old downtown office building, the restaurant meanders throughout much of an entire city block; it must have had 20 or 30 dining rooms, of all sizes and shapes, and a few kitchens.  Monster-sized dishes meant for sharing (even with the waiter toning our order down we ended up taking half our food home).  One great entree was pork medallions in raspberry/caper sauce served with roasted vegetables.  Excellent.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 07, 2007, 09:33:59 am
I've been to the Buca's in Strongsville and, while it's not quite as big as you describe the C'bus Buca's, I do remember it being a series of dining rooms meandering throughout the resteraunt and multiple kitchens, etc.  And you are definately right in that they aren't afraid to feed you!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 07, 2007, 10:16:26 am
Game times For Wooster/OWU in Granville have been posted on the Denison website.  Only one game is to be played on Thursday, with a 7 PM start.  Action continues on Friday at 4 PM, two games if necessary.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 07, 2007, 12:42:22 pm
There's a good chance I'll be there on Thursday.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 07, 2007, 01:29:56 pm
The Denison website has now changed the game times to 8 PM on Thursday and 1 PM on Friday.  Wooster still has the time TBA.  I'm not counting on anything quite yet.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 07, 2007, 08:38:35 pm
What would have been so hard about deciding before the season starts?

That's just strange. Hope it gets worked out, but that's something that the teams and coaches really shouldn't have to have up in the air.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: bufordscot on May 08, 2007, 07:35:58 am

Alert the media!! Spence and I actually agree on something.  ;D

What would have been so hard about deciding before the season starts?

That's just strange. Hope it gets worked out, but that's something that the teams and coaches really shouldn't have to have up in the air.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 08, 2007, 08:23:34 am
I think they purposefully wait until the last few days to decide the times because at some NCAC schools it's finals week (actually not sure this season, but I know it used to be).  They then wait to see which two schools are in the championship series, find out if any of their players might have problems making the games, and adjust accordingly. 

I heavily suspect that it's the teams and coaches involved in the game, Wooster and OWU, that made the decision, not the people hosting at Denison, who listen to them and then choose.  I think that's a very reasonable way to go about it, considering that school comes first. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on May 08, 2007, 08:26:32 am

Alert the media!! Spence and I actually agree on something.  ;D

What would have been so hard about deciding before the season starts?

That's just strange. Hope it gets worked out, but that's something that the teams and coaches really shouldn't have to have up in the air.

If I had to guess, I would think that the preferred schedule is to play 2 games on Thursday, then the rubber game on Friday if necessary.  The decision to play only 1 late on Thursday was made after knowing which teams would be participating and the exam schedules at those institutions.

Damn Woo Boo - you beat me to it!  It is finals week at Wooster, not sure about OWU.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 08, 2007, 05:52:53 pm
Serious question: Why play Thurs/Fri if exams are the issue? They'd probably get better attendance playing on a weekend anyway, and usually Saturday exam schedules are light if there are any at all. I can see not wanting to play Saturday/Sunday because of the possibility of bad weather, but Friday night/all day Saturday would work with Sunday as a flex day.

I honestly didn't really think of the final exams angle though. It was always more of an issue when I was in school during the last week of the regular season.

I wish the OAC had the option of playing night tournament games though...I'm going to miss early-day games the first two days because of class. One advantage of going predetermined site I guess.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 09, 2007, 09:01:55 am
Serious question: Why play Thurs/Fri if exams are the issue? They'd probably get better attendance playing on a weekend anyway, and usually Saturday exam schedules are light if there are any at all. I can see not wanting to play Saturday/Sunday because of the possibility of bad weather, but Friday night/all day Saturday would work with Sunday as a flex day.

Wouldn't the fact that the NCAA Regional Tournament begins on May 16th have something to do with playing the conference tournaments (NCAC, OAC and HCAC all start on the 10th) Thursday and Friday?  With the conference tournaments scheduled to end on the 11th, that still gives your staff 4-5 days rest to recover for the NCAA Tournament.  If you push the dates back and end up having to play on Sunday the 13th, now you're talking about only having 3 days for your staff to recover for the NCAA's.   That's my theory as to why the conference tournaments are scheduled when they are anyways.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 09, 2007, 05:28:27 pm
OAC and HCAC are 4 team double elimination tournaments so they go from Thurs-Sat. I think probably Sun is left open as a rain buffer, as well as the fact that in the past for many schools that's graduation day. I actually graduated at Don Schaly Stadium after we won the OAC tournament because rain had pushed us back to Sunday.

Really, it shouldn't matter much. You're not going to use your #1 in anything more than spot duty on Sunday.

Seems strange that on the one hand they'd be worried about game times for finals and such at the risk of hurting fan support, but then choose to have their tournament on two school days for baseball-related reasons.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 10, 2007, 11:19:03 pm
It's finally a final in Granville as the COW beats OWU 13-4 in game 1 of the NCAC Championship Series.  Adam Samson improves to 10-0 going 6+ allowing 3 earned to pick up the win. 

Now Wooster will try and lock up their 4th straight NCAC Tournament Championship tomorrow as the Scots will look to make it a clean sweep of both Densison and OWU in the conference tournament! 

Other regional scores of interest:

OAC Tournament Day 1 Results:

Game 1:

Otterbein - 7
Marietta - 3

Game 2:

Capital - 8
Heidelberg - 7

This sets up a really intersting losers bracket matchup between the regular season champion Heidelberg and  Marietta who was ranked #2 in the most recent Mideast Regional rankings. 

And in the HCAC:

Game 1:

MSJ - 6
Anderson - 1

Game 2

Manchester - 5
Transy - 2

This sets up a really interesting winner's bracket matchup between Manchester who always seems to step it up a notch come post-season play and MSJ who IMO is the team to beat out of the HCAC.

Sould be some fun games to track starting tomorrow morning and throughout the afternoon.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 11, 2007, 08:18:47 am
Wooster had the bats working in game one, and that was more than enough to offset some other malfunctions.  Two errors (two more should have been credited), some poor communication on pop flies, and an amazing inning in which they had three baserunning blunders: two guys picked off and another thrown out trying to advance to third on a comebacker.  OWU's defense was horrible as they went through periods where they threw the ball around like a bad little league team.  All in all a reasonably ugly game, but a win is a win is a win.

Adam Samson was bloodied a bit but also had some nice moments working out of jams and making some nice defensive plays.  Both John Warren and Matt DeGrand were perfect in relief.  It was never necessary for the esteemed Doctor Miller to make a house call.

And c'mon, OWU, where do you get these names?  Sean Ring?  Sean Speed?  If you're going to allow your mound staff to use aliases at least issue them monikors that have the sound of plausibility.  These seem more to be straight out of Marvel comics or a Saturday morning cartoon show. :)

Heather: Nice job of coming around and cheering for the Scots after that initial outburst.  I still suspect, though, that you might be an OWU spy so will be keeping the tar and feathers handy.

Granville is easily my favorite town in all of Ohio.  Anyone who hasn't been there should make the trip even if there isn't a ballgame.  The downtown is the way a small town's should be; busy with people enjoying the various shops and restaurants.  What a great place.   
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 11, 2007, 09:32:59 pm
Wooster Booster, at least our supposed Marvel comic superhero's played well today.  What kind of random comment was that anyways? Do you really think they let these kids have fake names?  I could do nothing but shake my head at that comment, being the attempted lowblow for not being able to say anything nice.

Sorry to the Wooster seniors that they couldn't keep up a NCAC championship for 4 years, but major congrats to all the OWU players and good luck in NCAA D. III playoffs!!!  So proud of you guys!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 11, 2007, 09:51:29 pm
Wooster Booster, at least our supposed Marvel comic superhero's played well today.  What kind of random comment was that anyways? Do you really think they let these kids have fake names?  I could do nothing but shake my head at that comment, being the attempted lowblow for not being able to say anything nice.

It was neither a "random" comment nor a low blow.  Do you really believe that I thought the names were fake?  Gimme a break.  It was a remark totally meant in fun and it seems to me that you should have understood that, given the smiley face following it.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 11, 2007, 10:27:41 pm
And they pushed the games back because Thursday was the last day of finals for OWU, where they usually put the most popular time-slot classes, so too many players would have been missing from the OWU bench.  Friday on the other hand was completely free for OWU.

WooBoo, it was just an odd comment, especially considering some of us used to call Kurt, "Captain Kurt" last year as we watched him launch balls. 

Previously working for the Great Lakes League too, I'm excited to see the Regionals played in Strongsville.  I may actually take time off work to come see these games.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 12, 2007, 09:32:11 am
Welcome to the board OWUbbr. 

Did the College of Wooster baseball team's equipment manager forget to put the Scots' gloves on the bus yesterday?  Eight errors in the double header?!  That's just unacceptable by a team that wants to be considered a national championship contender.

Hats off to OWU as the Battling Bishops certainly lived up to their namesake yesterday battling back to sweep the COW pretty soundly in both games!  They definately brought their hitting shoes yesterday!

Back to Wooster's fielding issues.  I think you could definately point to their lack of fielding as an area that really cost the Scots big time yesterday!  You don't have to look much further than the lines for Wooster's starters yesterday to see the impact the errors made.  Trapuzzano gave up 6 runs, but only 3 were earned and Barnes was hit even harder by the errors as he gave up 7 runs with only 3 earned!  When you keep giving a team like OWU extra outs, they are going to make you pay eventually and they certainly did that on every occasion it seemed yesterday.  If the Scots continue to field like they did yesterday, it will be another quick exit for them in the regionals.  Plain and simple!

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 12, 2007, 09:41:33 am
I know I'm not the only one that's been saying defense (or lack of) is Wooster's achilles heal.  It's too bad. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 12, 2007, 11:42:17 am
Figures...the one time I actually wouldn't mind seeing Wooster win. Gotta be kidding me.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 12, 2007, 12:02:03 pm
It really was sloppy games for both teams the entire series.  Between both teams I think they had more than 20 errors.  That's embarassing for Pettorini and Durant.  :-[
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 12, 2007, 12:10:13 pm
Works out well for the NCAC though getting an extra bid and Wooster probably staying the 1 seed.

Is there precedent for 4 Pool C berths from the same region?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2007, 12:18:45 pm
We only have one year of this tournament size to work with. Not sure there's enough there to have a track record on anything.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 12, 2007, 12:39:02 pm
Oh yeah...kinda slipped my mind. Long night last night lol.

If Capital wins today, I really don't want to be the committee trying to shoehorn like 9 or 10 Mideast teams into the field somewhere.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 12, 2007, 12:57:12 pm
Randomly aligned thoughts from Denison:

OWU is the best bunting team that I've seen in years, college or otherwise.  They popped up a couple on Thursday, but on Friday they were terrific, almost always getting the ball down on the first attempt.  Only some nice defense by Rob Skulina at third and some of the Wooster pitchers kept some of the OWU sacrifices from turning into base hits.

OWU hit the ball well, certainly better than Wooster, but so many of their ground balls seemed to have eyes and find holes.  Contrast that to the shot that Steiner hit in the ninth, a scorcher that hit the OWU pitcher then landed right in front of him for an easy out.

Certainly a record was broken for coincidence when the first two Wooster batters in game three circled the bases because the OWU center fielder lost consecutive balls in the sun!

In game three of a best of three series, when there is no baseball to be played until five days down the road, you have to let it all hang out with your pitching staff.  Freshman starter Matt Barnes was getting hit and receiving no help from his defense (all 5 Wooster errors were during his 4 innings of work).  I'd have had Mark Miller, who has generally been lights out this season, in there early to try to hold the fort.  Eventually The Doctor was called, but the patient was already dead.

Defensively, these Friday games were walking contradictions.  Both teams make some excellent, even nearly-spectacular, plays in the field.  The OWU outfielders made some fine running and diving catches.  Wooster's Oliver Enos did as well, plummeting over the right-field fence after catching a foul ball.  But so many routine plays were botched.  Balls were inexplicably dropped, thrown away, or thrown to the wrong base.  Ghosts of former Oberlin and Hiram players must have been roaming the field, harrassing the actual particapants and/or giving them errant information about what to do with the ball.

Can Wooster still get the top seed in the regional which they are hosting?  I don't think so, and if they do, they've certainly backed into it.  If they don't, there can be no complaints.  Hopefully they'll still be in the Mideast and not travelling to one regional while hosting another!  

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 14, 2007, 05:21:38 am
Wooster did pull down the top seed in the Mideast, which is a six-team regional.  The teams in order of seeding are:

1. Wooster (40-5)
2. Otterbein (31-11)
3. Hope (28-11)
4. Marietta (28-14)
5. Ohio Wesleyan (24-13)
6. Mount St. Joseph (33-9)

Wooster will play the first game on Wednesday, against Mt. St. Joseph's.  Should they win, they'll play in Game 5, which is the second game on Thursday, against the loser of the Hope-Marietta game.  Should Wooster lose to Mt. St. Joe's, they'll play in Game 4, which is the first game on Thursday, against the loser between Otterbein and OWU.

The format for the tournament where six teams participate:
Game 1—Wooster vs. Mt. St. Joseph's
Game 2—Otterbein vs Ohio Wesleyan
Game 3—Hope vs Marietta
Game 4—Loser Game 1 vs. Loser Game 2
Game 5—Winner Game 1 vs. Loser Game 3
Game 6—Winner Game 2 vs. Winner Game 3

If four teams remain after Game 6, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 7—Winner Game 5 vs. Winner Game 6
Game 8—Winner Game 4 vs. Loser Game 6
Game 9—Loser Game 7 vs. Winner Game 8
Game 10—Winner Game 7 vs. Winner Game 9
Game 11—If necessary, same teams as in Game 10

If five teams remain after Game 6, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 7—Loser Game 5 vs. Loser Game 6
Game 8—Winner Game 4 vs. Winner Game 5
Game 9—Winner Game 6 vs. Winner Game 7

If two teams remain after Game 9, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 10—Winner Game 8 vs. Winner Game 9
Game 11—If necessary, same teams as in Game 10

If three teams remain after Game 9, the following procedure will be observed:
Game 10—Winner Game 8 vs. Loser Game 9
Game 11—Winner Game 9 vs. Winner Game 10

In all six-team tournaments, Games 1, 2 and 3 will be played on the first day; Games 4, 5 and 6 will be played on the second day; Games 7, 8 and 9 will be played on the third day, and Games 10 and 11 will be played on the fourth day.

Here is the link showing the contestants and seeds in all eight regionals:

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 08:48:36 am
Booster:

The front page of D3baseball.com has a link to the same information. Let's keep people here and not send them off to the NCAA site. Those days are over -- we don't need to feed their machine anymore now that D3baseball.com is in full ... err, swing.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 14, 2007, 09:08:42 am
I'm really surprised that Hope jumed up to garner the #3 seed, while MSJ is the lowest seeded team in the regional?!  Especially when judging by how well MSJ has been playing of late.  They've won 14 of their last 16 games with those 2 losses being to Ott and RHIT.  They also pretty much rolled through the HCAC Tournament beating up on Anderson in the opening round, followed by a win over Manchester and then beating Anderson again in the championship round.  Wooster is going to have their hands full against a team that is playing a lot better than their seed.

From the looks of things, I would say Marietta got the most favorable seed of the regional coming in at the 4 seed and squaring off against arguably the weakest team in the regioanal, but somehow the 3 seed Hope. I guess Hope jumped into the 3 seed by default, but they went from being ranked #7 in the latest regional rankings to #3 because they were idle while the other top ranked teams were losing to other regionally ranked teams (Marietta, Transy, etc.).  Meanwhile OWU goes out and knocks off the #1 team, not only in the Mideast, but in the country (not once, but twice) and they are rewarded with only a 5 seed?  MSJ has a beef as they impressively swept through their conference tournament which most would say is the 2nd toughest conference in the region and are only rewarded with a 6 seed?  I would have thought that the efforts of OWU and MSJ would have been at least good enough to leapfrog Hope, but then again, when has the NCAA done anything that made sense in any sport when it concerns Division III.   ::)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 14, 2007, 09:40:05 am
Off topic but I'm going to post it anyway. :)  Despite losing to Grand Valley State in their league tournament, Ashland University managed to come away hosting a DII regional.  Theirs runs Thursday through Sunday.  So an awful lot of baseball (hopefully good) will be played later this week in northeastern Ohio.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 14, 2007, 10:12:01 am
Indeed, D3baseball.com had the brackets before they were updated on the NCAA site and some people posted bits and pieces starting with the Midwest region on the Daily Dose bloggy type thingy even before that.

One thing I'll say about Hope and the Michigan teams in general...they usually have a good #1 pitcher. Not sure Hope is any better of a draw than OWU or Mt. St. Joes for a first game, but I'm just happy as heck that we're in. Turner and the guest bracketologist not putting Marietta in spooked me a bit. Before that I was 70-75% confident that we'd be in. That said, some teams I was 99% confident in didn't make it (Washington & Jefferson).

Saw that on D-II Wooster Booster, can only guess Grand Valley didn't have a suitable bid.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 14, 2007, 12:15:46 pm
Here is the link to the Mideast Regional webpage, hosted by Wooster at Mills Field in Strongsville.  Game times are up, along with links to each of the teams.

http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/news/2007/regional/default.php
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 14, 2007, 06:00:37 pm
Has Hope played a night game this year? Noticed that the Marietta-Hope game is a 7 p.m. start, kind of surprisingly. Probably draw the biggest crowd though even though it's a 3 hour drive.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 15, 2007, 09:24:02 pm
Congrats to Kyle Sherman, NCAC player of the year!  ;D
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 16, 2007, 01:03:28 pm
Wooster leaves the bases loaded in the bottom of the 4th, but they do scatch a run across to lead MSJ 1-0.

MSJ's starter Waite was cruising through the 1st 3 innings, retiring the Scots in order the 1st time through the lineup.  But, in the 4th, an MSJ error got things started for Wooster and that was followed by Wooster's Steiner and Christensen connecting for the Scots' 1st and 2nd hits off Waite to score their 1st run.

Samson has been sharp for the Scots as he has allowed only one hit, that being a bunt single in the 1st.  Wooster seems to have remembered their gloves today as they have made several nice plays in the infield already today.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 16, 2007, 01:11:54 pm
I'm unable to connect to the audio at work, so any updates would be awesome.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 16, 2007, 01:35:16 pm
Matt Johnson hit a solo homer to give the Scots a 2-0 lead.

Samson gave up a solo homer in the 6th, but recovered to retire MSJ in order in the 7th.  Wooster is still leading 2-1 at the end of 7.

Unfortunately, I have to leave so I won't be able to make any more updates.  Sorry.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 16, 2007, 01:52:53 pm
Thanks, I saw that the tournament's site has live updates so I'm able to know what's going on.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 16, 2007, 02:23:57 pm
Wooster wins 2-1 in opening round. Maybe their short coming as a team is from questionable coaching moves. Sampson is in the groove giving up 2 hits in 8 1/3rd. Pettorini pulls him with a runner on first and inserts a freshman Miller, who eventually loads the bases before getting the finial 2 outs. In the tournament you have to live and die with your horse. I saw no reason to make this move. Also Wooster bats were silent, getting only 3 hits I beleave. The no.1 team in the land will have to do more than that if they wish to advance.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 16, 2007, 02:42:29 pm
Wooster definitely needs to get the bats going.  As they say though, good pitching always beats good hitting.  Give MSJ some credit, they've been on a roll.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 03:16:18 pm
If there's someone going to the tournament could they please try to send a message for the live update people to actually post the 9th inning? This has happened several times with Wooster this year. They just stop posting after the 8th inning and you never see how it ended.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 16, 2007, 03:39:41 pm
Email the tourny directory yourself:

mdougherty@wooster.edu
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 16, 2007, 06:23:56 pm
I find it funny the Wooster administration picks TODAY of all days to have the power outage, leaving the website down only after Wooster plays their games....leaving the live stats updates unavailable for games 2 and 3.  NOT PLEASED.  Not only that, but of course Otterbein's audio is not working either.  Bad Wooster. BAD.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 16, 2007, 06:27:25 pm
I find it funny the Wooster administration picks TODAY of all days to have the power outage, leaving the website down only after Wooster plays their games....leaving the live stats updates unavailable for games 2 and 3.  NOT PLEASED.  Not only that, but of course Otterbein's audio is not working either.  Bad Wooster. BAD.

Rem is trowing for Otterbein, Jones throwing great for OWU.  In the middle of the 7th inning, game tied 2-2.

**** agreed on the website being down, but I'm guessing that has more to do with the college and not as much with the baseball tournament.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 06:39:55 pm
Ask me if I'm surprised. Ballpark doesn't have high speed Internet either. It's not like Wooster didn't know when the regional was and couldn't have coordinated this months ago in case they hosted. Imagine if it was at Wooster; all the drinks would get cold! :)

OWUrocks: Otterbein's audio has never worked for me, btu works for others I know. I can only guess there's some compatibility issue.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 16, 2007, 06:50:32 pm
OWU just scored 2 in the top of the 8th to tie the game 4-4.  Heading to the middle of the 8th, both starters are still in the game.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 16, 2007, 07:14:31 pm
Maybe their short coming as a team is from questionable coaching moves. Sampson is in the groove giving up 2 hits in 8 1/3rd. Pettorini pulls him with a runner on first and inserts a freshman Miller, who eventually loads the bases before getting the finial 2 outs. In the tournament you have to live and die with your horse. I saw no reason to make this move. Also Wooster bats were silent, getting only 3 hits I beleave. The no.1 team in the land will have to do more than that if they wish to advance.
I'm not really worried about the bats.  Waite is a pretty good pitcher and Wooster is fortunate they were able to get enough to get the win and stay in the winner's bracket. 

As for the questionable coaching decision, I was right there with you wondering what Pettorini was doing there?  Yes, Samson had given up an infield hit to start the inning, but it was a weather aided dribbler that got caught up in the wet grass.  Of the 3 hits Samson allowed on the day, the HR was the only one to get out of the infield!  Samson then came back and fanned the next batter only to have Pettorini come and remove him.  The only thing I can think of to defend Pettorini is that it was a matchup move.  He wanted a righty-righty matchup maybe? 

One thing for sure, I think it's safe to say that Miller proved his worth today.  With runners on the corners and one out, Miller forced a groundout in which the Scots were able to catch the runner at 3rd in a rundown.  Then, Miller proceeded to walk the next batter, only to come back and strike out his final batter when there was no place to put him and the pressure of knowing that 2 runs were probably going to score on a base hit.  As much as I questioned the move to take out Samson, I was almost equally pleased to see the freshman get put under the coals straight away and come out unscathed.  Talk about a confidence builder for a freshman!

Did anyone see that score from the Ferrum Regional?  Methodist scored 3 tds to beat Bridgewater 21-14?! :P  Either those 2 teams have NO pitching or they just have some incredibly talented hitting teams!  I thought you were supposed to bring out your best pitchers in the opening round of the tournament!  If that's the best Methodist and Bridgewater have got, then they both won't be around very long!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 07:33:49 pm
Methodist won by 7, Wooster won by 1 and was one hit away from losing it. I don't think you've got a whole lot of room to talk about cutting it close.

Three hits apiece. One home run apiece. The only thing to choose between the teams really was the error. I'd just be thanking my lucky stars that you won a game you very easily could have lost if I were you and not worrying so much about how long other teams might be around.

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 16, 2007, 07:40:13 pm
Three hits apiece. One home run apiece. The only thing to choose between the teams really was the error. I'd just be thanking my lucky stars that you won a game you very easily could have lost if I were you and not worrying so much about how long other teams might be around.

A little hypocritical don't you think? 

Scot's Fan-
  Interesting news on the Methodist game.  That's something you don't expect to see.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 16, 2007, 07:47:35 pm
I am sad Wooster has worse connection issues than OWU.  I didn't think it could get much worse, but leave it to the College of Wooster networking department to screw me over.  Hopefully they have their crap together for tomorrow's games because if I miss two games in a row, I'm going to be more than hot.  Thanks for the guys that tried to keep up with the updates...I appreciate it.  Sad that even some Wooster fans wanted to know what was happening and couldn't even get it.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 16, 2007, 07:53:17 pm
It was definitely annoying, but you don't know exactly what happened.  Call em' and find out. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 16, 2007, 07:55:08 pm
ScotsFan, I don't think a righty-righty matchup is in equation when your ace is on the hill. To me, it sounded as if Miller was lucky to escape without the lose. He couldn't find the plate with any consistancy. A heads up play by the third basemen cuts down the tying run at the plate and the last batter hits 2 ropes just foul before whiffing. Lucky day for the Scots.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2007, 08:06:34 pm
Ask me if I'm surprised. Ballpark doesn't have high speed Internet either. It's not like Wooster didn't know when the regional was and couldn't have coordinated this months ago in case they hosted. Imagine if it was at Wooster; all the drinks would get cold! :)

OWUrocks: Otterbein's audio has never worked for me, btu works for others I know. I can only guess there's some compatibility issue.

I doubt that the entire campus revolves around Wooster baseball.

We did offer scoreboard services to all eight regionals earlier in the week, however, and Wooster declined.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 16, 2007, 08:13:59 pm
Pat-
  The games are not played on Wooster's campus.  They're played almost an hour away in Strongsville.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 16, 2007, 08:16:18 pm
Methodist won by 7, Wooster won by 1 and was one hit away from losing it. I don't think you've got a whole lot of room to talk about cutting it close.

Three hits apiece. One home run apiece. The only thing to choose between the teams really was the error. I'd just be thanking my lucky stars that you won a game you very easily could have lost if I were you and not worrying so much about how long other teams might be around.


Glad to see the old Spence is back?!  Way to take an innocent observation and twist it entirely out of proportion?! ::)  Maybe if you would read my entire post you would see that in my first comments I stated that Wooster was fortunate to come away with the win!  Bottom line is it was a Wooster win!

Just when you think Spence can't get any more annoying, he goes and proves you wrong!!! ???

ScotsFan, I don't think a righty-righty matchup is in equation when your ace is on the hill. 
I agree, I was just trying to figure out why Pettorini would make such a move.  Why even let Samson go out in the 9th if he was on such a short leash? 

Lucky day for the Scots.
Yes indeed.  While there was no luck involved in the way Samson dominated once again today, Pettoini is definately lucky that move to Miller didn't backfire on him costing his team a win. 

Besides, what's that old saying?  Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good! :P

I am sad Wooster has worse connection issues than OWU.  I didn't think it could get much worse, but leave it to the College of Wooster networking department to screw me over.  Hopefully they have their crap together for tomorrow's games because if I miss two games in a row, I'm going to be more than hot.  Thanks for the guys that tried to keep up with the updates...I appreciate it.  Sad that even some Wooster fans wanted to know what was happening and couldn't even get it.
Maybe you should be bitching at the fact that OWU doesn't have any feeds instead of bitching about Wooster!  Wooster's  sports information department is 2nd to none in most instances.  Today, there was a situation that arose ON CAMPUS that was totally out of the control of what was happening IN STRONGSVILLE.  But because OWU doesn't seem to offer any type of live scoring or anything of the sort, it's suddenly Wooster's sports information dept's fault for the COW maintenance dept shutting down power to campus?!  Classic?! ??? ::)

Ask me if I'm surprised. Ballpark doesn't have high speed Internet either. It's not like Wooster didn't know when the regional was and couldn't have coordinated this months ago in case they hosted. Imagine if it was at Wooster; all the drinks would get cold! :)
And lastly, what a surprise?  Spence finding something more to bitch about Wooster and their being the hosts of this regional!  What were the admistrators at Wooster thinking not scheduling these sorts of things around the dates of a baseball regional that Wooster may or may not be playing in or may or may not be hosting?!  Damn that College of Wooster admistration for not digging out that crystal ball or breaking out the tarot cards to predict the future so this could have all been avoided! ???
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2007, 08:50:05 pm
Pat-
  The games are not played on Wooster's campus.  They're played almost an hour away in Strongsville.

I'm aware of that but I kinda figured wooster.edu was run from Wooster's campus somewhere.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 16, 2007, 08:51:36 pm
Ahh, I see. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 16, 2007, 09:35:14 pm
I find it funny the Wooster administration picks TODAY of all days to have the power outage, leaving the website down only after Wooster plays their games....leaving the live stats updates unavailable for games 2 and 3.  NOT PLEASED.  Not only that, but of course Otterbein's audio is not working either.  Bad Wooster. BAD.

What do you mean you find it FUNNY?  You're implying that they did this on purpose in order to shortchange fans of other schools in some way?  Where do you guys come from with this crap?  Holy smokes!

If you'd been paying any attention to the Mideast Regional page you'd have noticed that as soon as it was posted it was mentioned that the Wooster campus would be without power on Wednesday evening.  There was an apology, in advance.  What the hell do you want?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 16, 2007, 09:37:51 pm
If there's someone going to the tournament could they please try to send a message for the live update people to actually post the 9th inning? This has happened several times with Wooster this year. They just stop posting after the 8th inning and you never see how it ended.

Excuse me, I didn't realize we Wooster fans were obligated to keep you updated Spence.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 16, 2007, 09:38:11 pm
I wasn't bitching about Strongville....I was bitching about COW.  And considering COW was hosting, they should have links up, and they should be fully functional links for the 4-5 friggin days they have it.  Its piss poor planning on COW's part and all the teams showing up shouldn't have to provide their own feeds, it should be part of the package of hosting...and as was pointed out....they had an offer to have someone else do it, and they stupidly turned it down.....letting down MULTIPLE fans all day.  As it is, their supposed "scheduled" shutdown that was only supposed to last until 9, is still shutdown and their site is still unreachable. 

As it is.....lets hope it is fixed by noon tomorrow.

And to WooBoo....I'm not implying they did it on purpose....I'm implying they couldn't have tried harder to schedule it at an asinine time. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 16, 2007, 09:43:25 pm
I really don't know what to say to you guys that are complaining about this except that I hope your teams go two and out so we can be rid of you for a year.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 16, 2007, 09:51:41 pm
Mature.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 16, 2007, 09:59:02 pm
I was up at the regional from 11 AM until 7 PM.  I saw the first two games and killed some time between games during the rain delay.  I had a damned good time watching some good baseball.  I came home and was about to post my thoughts on two good ballgames only to once again encounter the everlasting Wooster bashing that goes on here. 

Instead of being able to talk baseball, I find myself feeling it necessary to defend Wooster against yet another insinuation regarding lack of ethics, integrity, or whatever.  It just goes on and on, beginning during basketball and running through baseball.  It really stinks, if you want to know the truth.   
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 16, 2007, 10:13:36 pm
Well I'm sorry WooBoo, but I don't have the luxury of spending the entire day at Strongsville because I want to keep my job and pay my bills...so in the meantime of working, I wanted a short respite of being able to at least see live stats of the game on the website and I couldn't even get that.  I'm not bashing the sports....I'm bashing the people in charge of the power outage that took down the website.  The only thing that I don't like about any Wooster sports is that the baseball diamond is a little on the smaller end of things and thus a launch pad and sometimes makes for less interesting games.  I bitch about OWU's network all the time (and trust me, from being a student there, it sucks something hardcore) and it was just INCREDIBLY disappointing that the school hosting the regional playoff would let down so many fans by not having an option thru either their own stuff, or by what was offered to them.  How hard would it have been to accept the offer of posting live stats that was given to them?  Not hard.  If OWU had been hosting it and the website would have been down, there would have been a million people bitching this way (and its probably a damn good thing they weren't hosting because the website almost 99% would have been down).
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2007, 10:45:01 pm
I didn't read the Wooster regional site but if it said in advance that it would be down on Wednesday night I don't think you have anything to complain about, OWUBaseballRocks. Looks like you should've known this would come up.

Otterbein's radio was still available. I know it didn't work in Firefox but I saw that last weekend and immediately switched to Internet Explorer. Easy enough, no?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 11:18:37 pm
Three hits apiece. One home run apiece. The only thing to choose between the teams really was the error. I'd just be thanking my lucky stars that you won a game you very easily could have lost if I were you and not worrying so much about how long other teams might be around.

A little hypocritical don't you think? 

Scot's Fan-
  Interesting news on the Methodist game.  That's something you don't expect to see.

What's hypocritical about what I posted?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 11:29:53 pm
I find it funny the Wooster administration picks TODAY of all days to have the power outage, leaving the website down only after Wooster plays their games....leaving the live stats updates unavailable for games 2 and 3.  NOT PLEASED.  Not only that, but of course Otterbein's audio is not working either.  Bad Wooster. BAD.

What do you mean you find it FUNNY?  You're implying that they did this on purpose in order to shortchange fans of other schools in some way?  Where do you guys come from with this crap?  Holy smokes!

If you'd been paying any attention to the Mideast Regional page you'd have noticed that as soon as it was posted it was mentioned that the Wooster campus would be without power on Wednesday evening.  There was an apology, in advance.  What the hell do you want?

Something about 7 P's comes to mind here. Wooster knew before the season started they wanted to host the regional and when it would be. I don't see what would have been so tough about having this outage the day before the tournament. I don't remember having this problem with any other school at any other site.

Scotsfan, you've got so many piecemeal replies in your post that it's making my head spin, so I'm just going to take care of this here. You suggested that Methodist was somehow on the way out of the tournament even though they won by 7 runs when your own team was far more fortunate to win than Methodist was. Yes you mentioned that Wooster was fortunate to win, but you didn't say Wooster was destined to be eliminated if they keep it up like you did Methodist.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 11:47:56 pm
If there's someone going to the tournament could they please try to send a message for the live update people to actually post the 9th inning? This has happened several times with Wooster this year. They just stop posting after the 8th inning and you never see how it ended.

Excuse me, I didn't realize we Wooster fans were obligated to keep you updated Spence.

I didn't say anything about Wooster fans. There are people at the tournament that aren't Wooster fans, you know. Heck, there are probably more fans of other teams at the tournament than Wooster fans.

What else is the point to having a live stats but to keep people updated? Is it just to burn up some bandwidth before they turn all the power off?

The way they've done their updates several times this year that I've watched them, the only people would know how the game ended wouldn't be reading the update, most likely. They're either at the game or listening to it.

It was just an observation and suggestion. But then, Wooster and their fans have never been too receptive to the idea that they might be fallible.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2007, 11:48:57 pm
I think this goes back to my statement before that the entire Wooster campus probably doesn't revolve around baseball. I don't remember IT doing athletics too many favors in my experience in athletic departments ... and that's when I was designing department Web sites, so I was closely involved.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 16, 2007, 11:49:25 pm
My God!  I come in here to check on scores and I see the power outage is still the hot topic???  Is there baseball being played or what?!  Last time I checked, OWU's and Marietta's SI depts combined don't do as good of a job as Wooster's SI dept!  Maybe if OWU's SI dept did half the job that Wooster's does, you might not have had to rely on Wooster's SI dept for your precious updates!!!

Did you happen to read what Pat posted a whie back?!  In case you missed it, allow me to highlight it for the slower ones and you should know who you are by now:



I doubt that the entire campus revolves around Wooster baseball.




And to take a page from Pat's book of answers from another conversation on another board...

Ding ding!!! ;)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 16, 2007, 11:51:54 pm
But then, Wooster and their fans have never been too receptive to the idea that they might be fallible.
Boy, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black Mr. I'm an expert on everything... ::)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 16, 2007, 11:55:10 pm
Considering this tournament is bringing money in for Wooster (I'm sure), I'm n ot saying Wooster should revolve around the athletes...but maybe they should revolve around what brings them money.  A simple day change of a scheduled power outage would have been much wiser.  And even if OWU's website doesn't update as well as Wooster's....I still got my info from them first today.  ****ty.  Its not a good business plan to be missing a day of information. Supposedly "slow" or not, you can't argue with a sound business plan....and that wasn't it.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 16, 2007, 11:57:05 pm
Its a simple concession...its all thats being asked.  It was not handled properly for a group that knew they were hosting it and had the opportunities to cover their asses in this area.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2007, 12:02:21 am
Considering this tournament is bringing money in for Wooster (I'm sure),

It's bringing in money for the NCAA, if anyone. That's how the NCAA works.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on May 17, 2007, 12:02:46 am
Were there games actually played today or did the Sports Information Departments of each school just have a tug of war? 

Seems like the Wooster people are the only people wanting to actually talk baseball. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 12:08:25 am
My God!  I come in here to check on scores and I see the power outage is still the hot topic???  Is there baseball being played or what?!  Last time I checked, OWU's and Marietta's SI depts combined don't do as good of a job as Wooster's SI dept!  Maybe if OWU's SI dept did half the job that Wooster's does, you might not have had to rely on Wooster's SI dept for your precious updates!!!

Did you happen to read what Pat posted a whie back?!  In case you missed it, allow me to highlight it for the slower ones and you should know who you are by now:



I doubt that the entire campus revolves around Wooster baseball.




And to take a page from Pat's book of answers from another conversation on another board...

Ding ding!!! ;)

EXCUSE ME?! WHAT?! You've got to be joking that Marietta doesn't do as good a job. We've done this so many damn times we could do it with our eyes closed and half drunk (and some of us have been at times! ;) especially on day 4 of "captivity"). Get over yourselves. Marietta's sports information director kept a live update feed that was running ahead of my internet radio feed most of the night. This isn't his tournament to run. Last week he was in Fayetteville, NC helping do radio when the softball team was in the regional down there.

On the radio tonight they said that the Hope and Marietta players were helping to prepare the field...isn't that the host team's responsibility? Was the tournament banquet brought in from Damon's at picnic tables like it was the year I went to it at Thurman Munson?

At the risk of sounding egotistical, Marietta does a better job with the regional. The community support is better, the support staff is better (non-Marietta players don't touch the tarp, even when Marietta isn't playing), the facilities are better. That's not in any way to say this should have been at Marietta this year, but for you to knock anything about Marietta in conjunction with this tournament is just the act of a raving loon.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on May 17, 2007, 12:12:25 am

At the risk of sounding egotistical,

Many on here would say that's a risk you are used to taking.

Sorry you asked for it  :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2007, 12:12:47 am
I think the reference to sports information is 365 days a year, not just today.

From an unbiased angle I think it's hard to deny that Wooster's Web site is more complete, has more photos and I know it more often has the things I need when I go to look for something.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 12:16:56 am
But then, Wooster and their fans have never been too receptive to the idea that they might be fallible.
Boy, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black Mr. I'm an expert on everything... ::)

I suppose it would be if you made inaccurate generalizations. I've never claimed to be an expert on everything; I was wrong about several things that happened today. Now if you were to say I have an opinion on a lot of things and think it's usually right, I would agree. But that's not what you said. Part of the problem is that what some of you think are opinions, aren't.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 12:26:39 am
I think the reference to sports information is 365 days a year, not just today.

From an unbiased angle I think it's hard to deny that Wooster's Web site is more complete, has more photos and I know it more often has the things I need when I go to look for something.

Guess it depends on what you're looking for. I was looking for the 9th inning of Wooster's game today and it was early in the 2nd game before I found out. For a site that has a live update, I don't think that's very good at all, and it isn't the first time this year it's happened. Once it happened in between games of a doubleheader! Maybe they do it every game and I've only followed certain games.

I've never had a problem with the work the current Marietta sports information director does, in spite of the fact that I applied for the job what seems like 50 years ago for all my life has changed since then. I don't think I could have done any better than he has, so it would be pretty hard for me to be critical.

pg04: Good one! I sure did leave the barn door wide open there! :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2007, 12:29:49 am
I specifically restricted my comments to the information on the Web. I don't know what info Marietta produces that we don't get. I know what Wooster posts is what we need. ::shrug::
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 12:43:32 am
It's all experiential as far as that goes. Without doing some kind of audit of the sites I can't really remember much that Wooster's site has that Marietta doesn't. And I like the extra stuff Marietta's site has (like the wallpapers, one of which is my board icon!).
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 17, 2007, 07:43:15 am
To the detriment of THIS website, during the time of the year that most of us look forward to, two posters have successfully managed to hijack the subject away from the baseball played during the first day of the tournament.  That's a shame; it really could and should be so much better here.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 17, 2007, 08:19:53 am
Three hits apiece. One home run apiece. The only thing to choose between the teams really was the error. I'd just be thanking my lucky stars that you won a game you very easily could have lost if I were you and not worrying so much about how long other teams might be around.

A little hypocritical don't you think? 

Scot's Fan-
  Interesting news on the Methodist game.  That's something you don't expect to see.

What's hypocritical about what I posted?

What's hypocritical is the fact that you're telling someone to not worry about another team, when all you do is concern yourself with other teams.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 08:30:12 am
Three hits apiece. One home run apiece. The only thing to choose between the teams really was the error. I'd just be thanking my lucky stars that you won a game you very easily could have lost if I were you and not worrying so much about how long other teams might be around.

A little hypocritical don't you think? 

Scot's Fan-
  Interesting news on the Methodist game.  That's something you don't expect to see.

What's hypocritical about what I posted?

What's hypocritical is the fact that you're telling someone to not worry about another team, when all you do is concern yourself with other teams.

I didn't say anything detrimental about how anyone won yesterday until you did. Not to mention that I usually do it on the correct board, or at least in the correct region.

FYI, the winds in Roanoke were blowing from the SW and gusting up to 30 mph before the rains came. All three winners in Ferrum scored double digits. Ferrum's more in the mountains than Roanoke, so depending on terrain effects they might have even had higher winds than Roanoke. That could have a lot to do with the scoring.

Given my line of work, I should have checked that first. After all, a bunch of people joked when I told them I was doing weather that I should have learned quite a bit just from being in Coach Schaly's office! lol But I'm doing tactical training right now so not checking it as often as I would be otherwise.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 17, 2007, 08:42:47 am

I didn't say anything detrimental about how anyone won yesterday until you did. Not to mention that I usually do it on the correct board, or at least in the correct region.


What did I say detrimental about how anyone won yesterday?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 09:01:13 am
Well whoever the bloody hell it was. One of you kilt-wearing Scottish bastahds, as my friend from south England would say. :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 17, 2007, 09:49:25 am
Part of the problem is that what some of you think are opinions, aren't.
What??

No, I just think the problem is, most of us in here just flat out don't like you.  And it has pretty much everything to do with your opinions, whether they are or aren't your opinions (whatever that's supposed to mean)?! ::)

BTW, I was the one who brought up the score from the Ferrum Regional.  And I didn't realize that when I brought it up, it was somehow being 'detrimental' to how anyone won or lost a game.  I should have known better as Spence takes anything anyone from Wooster has to say and turns it around on Wooster!

I was just trying to point out that I don't ever recall seeing a football score on the 1st day of the NCAA Tournament as that is the day when most teams are firing their aces!  My point wasn't to be 'detrimental' as a certain poster interpreted it?!  It was even brought up in the Blog page for Christ's sake!  Why didn't you go rip him a new one for making such 'detrimantal' comments?!

Oh, and I'm sorry that I didn't go and check Weather.com before I made my 'detrimental' comments?!  Give me a break!

What's really funny is that I tried to make an actual baseball conversation and Spence had to predictably turn it around on Wooster.  And then we had to proceed to spend the next couple of pages reading about Spence and OWUrocks whining about Wooster not having a live feed or how they never updated the 9th inning or whatever else they wanted to vent about Wooster.  Meanwhile, we have some pretty intriguing matchups today that we could be talking about instead.  Here's a novel idea: 

CAN WE PLEASE JUST TALK BASEBALL ALREADY?!?!

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 17, 2007, 10:38:56 am
Today's 1st game between MSJ and OWU has the potential of being a dandy.  Both of these teams were playing some good baseball coming into the tournament and now, one of them will be the 1st to exit the regional.

I thought that both MSJ and OWU played very well yesterday against the top 2 seeds as well.  MSJ, behind the pitching of Waite took #1 Wooster to the brink.  I would imagine if you would've told them before the game that they would hold Wooster to 2 runs, I think they would've liked their chances.  The problem for them is that they faced arguably one of the best pitchers in the country and he was on top of his game!

As for the Bishops, they went toe to toe with #2 Ott  and their ace Remo for 7 1/2 innings before OWU's Jones just seemed to hit a wall.

I don't know who I like in this game.  MSJ seems to have the edge in pitching.  I'm basing this on their performance in the HCAC Tournament as they only allowed 7 runs in 3 games and they held Wooster to just 2 runs.  I would give the Bishops the offensive edge though as they have 3 guys batting over .400 and the NCAC POY Kyle Sherman has almost as many HR's (10) as MSJ's entire team total (14).  Should be a fun one to follow.

And then there's Ott vs. Marietta in the nightcap tonight.  They've already met 3 times this season with Ott taking 2 of 3.  Marietta got the better of Ott last year in the Mideast Regional, so the Cards will be out for a little revenge.  Marietta looked good over Hope last night, and they always seem to play well in post season play as last year's run to the National Championship is a testament to.  Not to mention the fact that these 2 are conference rivals and that just adds to the intrigue of this game!

And lastly there's Wooster vs. Hope.  Wooster was definately fortunate to escape their opener with MSJ with a win.  Samson came out and pitched like the NCAC Pitcher of the Year and likely All-American that he is.  It was nice to see that Wooster brought their gloves yesterday too after their debacle in the field in the NCAC Championships.  Only one error yesterday and that was an errant throw by the catcher on a steal attempt, which, fortunately for Wooster, could have cost the Scots a run, but didn't. 

The question in this game is, how will Trapuzzano respond after his first rough outing and loss of the season?  I'm confident that he'll bounce back today against Hope.  As for Hope, their best pitcher got roughed up pretty good against, what I would consider, not one of Marietta's best hitting teams in recent memory.  That can't be a good sign for the Dutchmen.  A loss to Wooster and they are done.  A pretty tall order is in line for Hope to stay alive today IMO.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 01:19:38 pm
Part of the problem is that what some of you think are opinions, aren't.
What??

No, I just think the problem is, most of us in here just flat out don't like you.  And it has pretty much everything to do with your opinions, whether they are or aren't your opinions (whatever that's supposed to mean)?! ::)

I was just trying to point out that I don't ever recall seeing a football score on the 1st day of the NCAA Tournament as that is the day when most teams are firing their aces!  My point wasn't to be 'detrimental' as a certain poster interpreted it?!  It was even brought up in the Blog page for Christ's sake!  Why didn't you go rip him a new one for making such 'detrimantal' comments?!

CAN WE PLEASE JUST TALK BASEBALL ALREADY?!?!

You didn't just bring up the game. You implied that because Methodist gave up a bunch of runs, even though they still won the game, that they needed to do something different, better to have any hope of advancing.

Methodist, similar to Marietta, doesn't really have a true ace. Kelly started most of the first games of their conference weekends but has a 2-7 record. Toth leads them in innings pitched and is 8-4, but with a similar ERA and mostly against #2s and 3s. Bisplinghoff at 7-1 with the lowest ERA has maybe the most impressive numbers and is their top midweek guy. I think all three are pretty comparable, really.

You want to talk baseball? Start with knowing the facts. I know for me, I'd take 21-14 wins every game of the regional.

Oh, and what I meant was that a lot of times when someone disagrees with someone, they say "oh that's just your opinion" when it's not an opinion being expressed at all. That's happened several times on this board.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 17, 2007, 01:38:37 pm

You want to talk baseball? Start with knowing the facts. I know for me, I'd take 21-14 wins every game of the regional.

Funny that because it is my opinion that, if I were a fan or coach of Methodist, I would be a little concerned that my #1 got shelled in the 1st game of the regional, albeit in a winning effort, and it differs with your opinion of loving to win games that resemble football scores rather than baseball scores, somehow that equates to me not knowing the facts? 

Sorry I didn't take the time to look up all the #'s on all of Methodist's starters befored I offered my opinion?!  Some of us have lives that require us to focus on more important things!  What's wrong with what I said anyways?!  If their staff continues to get pounded like they did, they won't be around long because eventually, they're going to run into some good pitching that won't allow them to put up 21 per!  Do you honestly think the coaches and players were happy about the fact that they gave up 14 runs?  Sorry, but I doubt that it's their gameplan to go out and outslug every opponent the face, and if it is, they're in for a short time in the tournament, and that's my opinion.

Besides, I think I can speak from experience, seeing some offensive juggernauts at Wooster be stymied by good pitching once tournament time rolled around.  If you don't think Methodist has any worries, than that's your opinion.  But to come out and say I don't know the facts because I didn't, nor have no care to, look up all the stats for the Methodist pitching staff and because that opinion differs with yours is exactly why my distaste for you is so strong!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 17, 2007, 02:41:44 pm
Props to Wooster's IT department today.  It's been a privilege to have updates on today's regional games.  At not cost none-the-less.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 17, 2007, 02:46:06 pm
Good win by OWU today over MSJ.  The MSJ team lost both of their games to the NCAC schools, but were very competitive both times.  This regional is shaping up to be a very good one!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 06:03:38 pm

The question in this game is, how will Trapuzzano respond after his first rough outing and loss of the season?  I'm confident that he'll bounce back today against Hope.  As for Hope, their best pitcher got roughed up pretty good against, what I would consider, not one of Marietta's best hitting teams in recent memory.  That can't be a good sign for the Dutchmen.  A loss to Wooster and they are done.  A pretty tall order is in line for Hope to stay alive today IMO.

Final: Hope 5, Wooster 3. Guess it wasn't too tall, but then the Dutch are usually pretty tall folks.

Winner of Marietta/Otterbein tonight is the sole remaining undefeated in the regional.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 17, 2007, 06:09:09 pm
With Wooster losing and 5 teams still alive, it looks like the winner of this regional will have to be swigning some HOT BATS.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 17, 2007, 08:37:04 pm
Unfortunately that's not Wooster right now.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 17, 2007, 10:47:36 pm
The oddest thing for me in this whole tournament right now is the fact that all of the teams but Marietta are facing elimination tomorrow....whereas if you would have asked me after the OAC tournament if I thought Marietta would get an at-large bid I would tell you all that you were crazy....Congrats to them.  I like Otterbein...but I'm hoping that Wooster wins tomorrow because OWU has a better chance against Wooster than Otterbein, although after their first regional game...who knows.  This entire tournament is entirely too tight for guessing and no predictions are worthwhile.  If Wooster has a bad game with errors again and no bats, they're out....but if Otterbein is out of pitching...they're gone.  If OWU doesn't hit, they leave and if Hope gives an inch to the OWU team, OWU will lay 50 bunts.  Marietta is the only safe team to bet on....and really after tomorrows games....do they have enough pitching to last?  Has this been a hot streak?  Or are they just a tournament team....as evident obviously last year?  Insanity abounds!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 17, 2007, 11:42:32 pm
Woosters 4,5,6 hitters leave 8 men on base. The defense was shoddy with 3 errors on the day, one leading to an unearned run. They certainly are not playing like the top ranked team. Pettorini better light a fire under some butts or they will be on the bus tomorrow.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 08:55:33 am
Woosters 4,5,6 hitters leave 8 men on base. The defense was shoddy with 3 errors on the day, one leading to an unearned run. They certainly are not playing like the top ranked team. Pettorini better light a fire under some butts or they will be on the bus tomorrow.
I totally agree!  I don't know what it is about Petorinni coached teams that always seem to underachieve come postseason play (with the exception of '97 and '05).  I don't know if he puts too much pressure on his players or he doesn't know how to keep them loose or what?  I mean, he has one of the best hitting teams (average wise) in the regional, and one of the best pitching teams (ERA wise) in the country, and yet, once again, we are seeing the Scots underperform and play what seems to be very uninspired baseball?!  I thought last weekends losses to OWU would have been enough to light a spark in this team, and it seemed to, at least in the field on day one.  But, Wooster reverted right back to the team that can't hit in clutch situations and can't field yesterday against Hope and now they are once again left in a position where they have basically a mountain to climb if they want to keep their season going.  I just don't see it happening.  With how tight this team is playing when their backs weren't yet against the wall, I can't imagine it improving now that they are squarely against the wall!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 09:01:56 am
And for as much as Wooster seems to underacieve during the postseason, Marietta seems to be at the opposite end of the spectrum of late.  They methodically rolled through the Regional and the CWS last year to win a National Championship and now look at them again this year.  They have methodically won their 1st 2 games and are now the only team left in the regional without a loss and are really sitting pretty to claim their 2nd straight Mideast Regional and go for their 2nd straight National Championship. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 18, 2007, 09:29:23 am
Coach Brewer has been around the Marietta program long enough as a player and Coach to know how to win the Marietta way in the post-season.  Solid pitching and defense, and manufacture runs.  It's simple, it really is, but it's the way things have been done for years and that's what gets you 18 trips to the World Series. 
Petorini is a very good coach, but I'm not sure why his teams seems to fall short in the regionals year after year, when they have the most talent; unless the kids just don't feel an obligation to the "program", the coach, the tradition, and each other to WIN. 
That may be the difference between the two schools.

Who knows, this regional is still a long way from over!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 09:48:15 am
...when they have the most talent; unless the kids just don't feel an obligation to the "program", the coach, the tradition, and each other to WIN. 
That may be the difference between the two schools.

Who knows, this regional is still a long way from over!!
It might have something to do with that, but I think it has a lot also to do with lack of focusing on fundamentals.  As you said, Marietta wins because they focus on the fundamentals (pitching, defense and manufacturing runs).  As you also noted, Wooster's teams are loaded with talent and maybe having all that talent leads to a mentality of possibly not focusing on the fundamentals as much as they should be?  I don't know.  All I see is a team that makes far too many errors in the field year after year and a team that seems to forget how to hit the ball once postseason play starts.  It just gets frustrating as a fan to see these same problems not going away year after year and year after year Wooster's high expectations heading into the tournament are very very short lived.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2007, 12:21:07 pm
It might be false confidence based on the current state of the NCAC ...
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 12:38:47 pm
Well, the timely hitting and manufacturing of runs continues to elude the Scots to start their game with Otterbein.  Wooster had 1st & 3rd with one out in both the 1st and hit into an inning ending double play and then again in the 2nd inning with no outs and hit a soft line drive out to the short stop and then had a pop up on a  bunt attempt with the runner at first running for yet another inning ending double play! ::)

Now it's in the top of the 3rd and once again Wooster is threatening with runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out.  And low and behold, basehit scoring a run!!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 18, 2007, 12:55:41 pm
^^^  I was just going to post the same thing.  They cannot miss oppertunities like that. They've hit into 2 line drive double plays though too.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 01:14:35 pm
Thankfully for Wooster, Matt Barnes is pitching well.  Wooster has left 7 runners stranded through 4 innings of play!  As they said on the play-by-play, if Wooster continues to leave runners on, that will eventually come back to haunt them later in the game.

It's still 1-0  Wooster in the top of the 5th and the leadoff man is on once again!  Can the Scots get a rally??
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 01:27:36 pm
And the answer is an empahtic NO! 

For some reason Pettorini called a delayed steal or John Quinby decided to go himself, but it sounded as if he was out by a mile.  And wouldn't you know that Sheldon Stiener follows it up with a base hit?!  So because of the blown delayed steal call, instead of Wooster having 1st and 2nd and nobody out, it was just a runner on 1st with one out.  And Pat Christensen proceeded to hit into yet another inning ending double play?! ::)

I don't know how much more of this lack of fundamentals on the basepaths I can take?! ???
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 18, 2007, 01:31:19 pm
Baserunning was a huge issue with them last year.  It may work on lower level teams, but rarely at this level.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 18, 2007, 01:35:59 pm
Well said.  You can even get away with it during the regular season, but not when it counts in the Regionals. 

For all you Wooster fans, look on the positive side of things.....they aren't playing all that well, but still leading.  If they can pull this one out and staighten up the fundamentals, they could be dangerous.  The only question is, will it be too late?!?!?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 18, 2007, 01:41:26 pm
What's scary is Wooster does not get the last at bat.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 18, 2007, 02:46:07 pm
Fundamentals aren't learned during or between games. They come from repition and situational prep during the pre-season. I played for both Morgan & Pettorini. Morgan was a teacher of the game, covered more situational baseball than you can imagine. Great teacher of the game. I think this is one of Pettorini's weakness. He relys on big innings to over come lack of fundamental prep.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 18, 2007, 02:58:14 pm
Wooster eaked out this win.  Whew.    Wooster will play Marietta @ 9:00 tonight?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on May 18, 2007, 02:59:08 pm
What are tonights likely pitching match ups?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: pufin on May 18, 2007, 03:20:09 pm
No one has responded to Pat's comment on the last page.

One might think that there could be a false sense of confidence based on the current state of the NCAC. But, the Scots were 11-0 before they played their first conference game, and are 20-2 against all teams not in the NCAC.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 18, 2007, 06:24:28 pm
Ohio Wesleyan holds on to defeat Hope 6-5 and advance to tomorrow's 12:00pm game against Marietta, regardless of tonight's MAR/WOO outcome.

Marietta plays Wooster at 7pm tonight. If they win, Wooster will be eliminated and Marietta will play OWU in the championship game, with OWU needing to win two games.
If Wooster wins tonight, Marietta will play OWU at noon tomorrow, with the winner playing Wooster in the Championship at 3:30pm.

Still a lot of baseball to be played in this Regional!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 07:08:55 pm
No one has responded to Pat's comment on the last page.

One might think that there could be a false sense of confidence based on the current state of the NCAC. But, the Scots were 11-0 before they played their first conference game, and are 20-2 against all teams not in the NCAC.
I think that Wooster's coaches and players know all too well how weak the NCAC is and I would highly doubt that they would gain a false sense of confidence based on their performances against the Oberlins and Hirams of the world.  I just think it comes down to a lack of focusing on the fundamentals.  Old scot pretty much summed it up with his comments.  Just look at the bunt attempts by Boesiger today.  Twice he tried to bunt the runner to 2nd and twice he popped it up for an out.  At this stage of the game, you can't rely on the big inning, because it rarely comes.  So if you can't advance runners by bunting or getting sac flies to score runs, you're going to have trouble scoring runs which is exactly what Wooster is dealing with at the moment.

What are tonights likely pitching match ups?
I was trying to figure this out as well.  Does Wooster go with Samson tonight?  They said on the radio that Pettorini mentioned that everyone was available for game 1, so I'm assuming that Samson would at least be available.  According to the live play by play it's Matt Barnes getting the start.  Is that a typo of some sort?

Wooster eaked out this win.  Whew.    Wooster will play Marietta @ 9:00 tonight?
Whew is right.  Miller sounded like he was in control for his 2 innings of work.  He never let Ott get a threat with the exception of having the tying run on 2nd with 2 outs in the 9th. 

BTW, the game with Marietta should be just getting underway.  It was scheduled for a 7:00 start as opposed to a 9:00 start.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 07:12:57 pm
BTW, Nate Eschbaugh is the starter for Marietta.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 18, 2007, 07:17:16 pm
Wooster is indeed starting Barnes against Marietta.  Can't say I understand the reasoning behind this since he already threw 7 innings today, but who knows, maybe his arm is already warm and ready.  I'm sure it'll be a pitching by committee game. 

Marietta gets a double play in the first; one of many this season for the Etta Express.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 18, 2007, 07:41:27 pm
Any Wooster fans out there.........I don't know much about Wooster's pitching staff, but do they have anyone else who could have started this game?

I'm not at the game obviously, but it sounds like Barnes is a little wild, plus he just threw away a bunt at first.  He has to be tired after throwing a GREAT game this afternoon.

Just curious.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 07:58:46 pm
Freshman Matt DeGrand is 5-0 in 7 starts this season.  Evidently, Pettorini would rather go with a tired Barnes than a fresh DeGrand. 

I would think that Barnes is on a very short leash.  But after a shaky 2nd, Barnes settles back down with an impressive 3rd. 

With the way Eschbaugh is pitching, it may not have mattered who the Scots sent to the mound as he has faced the minimum though 3. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 18, 2007, 08:04:42 pm
thanks!

Esch is throwing great so far; he's been a great surprise this year for Coach Brewer.  His ability to throw offspeed stuff and keep hitters off-guard has been very welcome.

He's a local kid, along with his brother senior shortstop Ryan, who were also both former Marietta batboys while they were growing up.  It shows how old some of us are getting!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 08:06:31 pm
  It shows how old some of us are getting!!
LOL! :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 08:10:12 pm
I really wish I could get in Pettorini's head.  Marietta gets the 1st two on in the bottom of the 4th and there's just activity in the Wooster bullpen.  How many runs is he going to allow Barnes to give up before he pulls the trigger?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 08:14:21 pm
Finally, after giving up essentially 3 straight base hits, Pettorini comes out to pull Barnes.  Arguably one batter too late, IMO!  Now Wooster trails 3-0 with Marietta having runners on 1st and 3rd with only one out and that out was a sac bunt.

Jonh Warren is the lucky man to get the call to try and stop the bleeding here for the Scots!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 18, 2007, 08:15:02 pm
I know what you mean.  I've seen it before first hand and scratched my head in the opposite dugout.  
He's riding Barnes' arm in this regional much like he did with freshman Benkowksi in the 1997 regional & WS.  
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 18, 2007, 08:19:48 pm
Well, Marietta scores 2 more and now the Scots are faced with the prospect of scoring more runs in one game than they have in a game this entire regional against a pitcher who is on fire right now.  Things aren't looking so good for the Scots!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 18, 2007, 08:38:45 pm
Scots almost get out of the 5th with a bases loaded 1-2-3 double play, but Litke comes through with a 2 RBI single.  Not sure why Pettorini pitched to him with a base open (he was already 2 for 2).

Marietta now leads 6-0 heading to the 6th.  Some line-up changes over the last few games by coach Brewer has the Pioneers offense clicking.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 18, 2007, 09:49:31 pm
Marietta holds on for the 6-3 win.

Pettorini will probably rethink his pitching  decision, especially with the way Trap ended up closing out the game.  If he was that ready to go, he probably should've gotten the start.  The 4 runs that Barnes gave up early were a little too much to overcome.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 18, 2007, 10:00:14 pm
I know what you mean.  I've seen it before first hand and scratched my head in the opposite dugout. 
He's riding Barnes' arm in this regional much like he did with freshman Benkowksi in the 1997 regional & WS. 

That was the exact thought I had, only he wasn't crazy enough to throw even Binkowski two games on the same day (just 17 2/3 over two days if I remember correctly).

Biggest at-bat of the game was Litke's 2-run hit right after the 1-2-3 DP. If it stays 4-0 and Wooster cuts it to 4-3, our freshmen have a lot more to get jittery about.

I think Pettorini underestimated Nate Eschbaugh and expected this to be a high scoring game. He went with arguably his most offense-heavy lineup, taking out Johnson and Boesiger. He figured he could get through a few innings with Barnes and be in the game, and then keep it on track long enough to give the game to Trapuzzano with a chance to win.

But Eschbaugh's been tested and frankly has probably faced better lineups this year, and made it look (sound, to me) easy. One win to go; can we deny Ohio Wesleyan for about the eleventieth time?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 18, 2007, 10:26:26 pm
Now that the Scots season is over, the following observations: Pettorini can admit that he got more from this team than expected. Never deserved the the No.1 ranking. He must be a good politician to jump from 15th to  1. The NCAC is so weak you don't have to play small ball to win games. During tournament time you need to manufacture runs and give the opposition 27 outs. Finanlly, seed a spy to southern Ohio to see how the boys from Etta get it done.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 18, 2007, 10:45:11 pm
Woosterians (Woosterites?),

Serious question for those of you who have seen the Scots. In your opinion, could DeGrand have gotten it done if called upon? I know he hasn't faced the greatest of competition most of the time so maybe he isn't as good on a regional number as those stats look but he did go against a few decent clubs down south. Not that Barnes really threw poorly, we just took advantage of almost every little crack in the doorway. I think with the way Eschbaugh threw, being down on pitching and in the loser's bracket was going to have Wooster up against it regardless.

Oh, and as far as spies go, we have sniper nests on top of the hills overlooking the field and on the "4th floor" of the Tekulve Building for that sort of thing :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 18, 2007, 10:47:00 pm
thanks!

Esch is throwing great so far; he's been a great surprise this year for Coach Brewer.  His ability to throw offspeed stuff and keep hitters off-guard has been very welcome.

He's a local kid, along with his brother senior shortstop Ryan, who were also both former Marietta batboys while they were growing up.  It shows how old some of us are getting!!

Ryan's the first Marietta player to score a run and steal a base before his career started (in grade school no less! :))
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 18, 2007, 10:52:42 pm
I almost forgot about that; the JV vs alumni game back when he was about 12.  Schaly let him pinch run b/c the alumni guys were ready to call it quits and we let him steal third, and he scored the winning run on the next ground-out.  It made him and Coach pretty happy :)
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2007, 11:25:52 pm
I think that Wooster's coaches and players know all too well how weak the NCAC is and I would highly doubt that they would gain a false sense of confidence based on their performances against the Oberlins and Hirams of the world.

I was talking about fans' sense of confidence. Re-read the post of yours I responded to.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 18, 2007, 11:26:32 pm
I think that Wooster's coaches and players know all too well how weak the NCAC is and I would highly doubt that they would gain a false sense of confidence based on their performances against the Oberlins and Hirams of the world.

I was talking about fans' sense of confidence. Re-read the post of yours I responded to.

Fans, and pollsters.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 18, 2007, 11:49:47 pm
I was up at the regional and saw all of Wooster's games along with some others.  I'll write more tomorrow when I gather my thoughts and have more time, but just a couple of quick comments.

Pettorini's shaking up of the infield worked, as John Quimby seemed rejuvenated at short making some nice plays in the field.  Justin Thomas, who replaced him at second, had a couple of hits.  Still, to me, the benching of Matt Johnson seemed pretty harsh.  The guy hit a game-winning homerun as recently as Wednesday.  Brandon Boesiger was also benched, and although a senior captain, did not play in the final game of the year for his team.  I think that's pretty sad, considering his past contributions.

Both Matt Barnes and Anthony Trapuzzano pitched well against Marietta on virtually no rest.  However, I simply cannot comprehend, or condone, their use.  Barnes threw 103 pitches earlier in the day then came back to throw 73 more.  Trapuzzano threw 111 yesterday then 43 today.  That's a lot of pitches.  If they come up with arm problems, the cause will be no mystery.

The throwing error by Barnes on the bunt was set up by some earlier history.  In Barnes' first game today, Boesiger called off Barnes on a bunt and then threw the ball away.  Barnes then proceeded to make sure he made the play on the next two bunts in that game and made two nice, even very good, plays.  Against Marietta, though, the bunt was too good and he should not have thrown at all.  He did, it went awry, and it cost the team.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 19, 2007, 09:57:14 am
Now that the Scots season is over, the following observations: Pettorini can admit that he got more from this team than expected. Never deserved the the No.1 ranking. He must be a good politician to jump from 15th to  1. The NCAC is so weak you don't have to play small ball to win games. During tournament time you need to manufacture runs and give the opposition 27 outs. Finanlly, seed a spy to southern Ohio to see how the boys from Etta get it done.
I would have to agree with everything you said old scot.  With only 5 seniors on this team, Wooster will have some lofty expectations heading into next season.  Especially with the entire pitching staff coming back.  But if Wooster doesn't work hard on the fundamentals this off season, I fear we will be having just about the same conversation this time next year!  Especially considering Marietta, who I'm sure Brewer would admit to getting more than he's expected from his team this year, only has 3 seniors on their roster. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 19, 2007, 12:21:31 pm
GO OWU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 19, 2007, 01:59:45 pm
GO OWU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your Bishops are beating MC at their own game; great pitching and defense, and scoring with 2 outs.

Could this be the year that OWU breaks through and wins the big one???
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 19, 2007, 02:53:22 pm
OWU takes first game 7-3. Should be a great finish to a tough regional tourney. Good luck to both teams. Play hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 19, 2007, 04:56:35 pm
Marietta has responded with the bats in game two.  It sounds like OWU is thin on pitching after a great performance on short rest by Jones in game one.
OWU has helped with some errors as well.

In the top of the 5th:
OWU - 2
MAR - 11
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 19, 2007, 08:23:09 pm
Not the cleanest played doubleheader in the world but good effort and guts shown by both teams today. They may not have been the most talented teams in the regional (or maybe they were?) but they were certainly the most resilient with OWU losing their opener and Marietta shrugging off not even thinking they were going to be here to win it.

In the end, Wesleyan was just out of bullets and the Etta Express didn't let them off the hook.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 20, 2007, 07:37:38 am
Congrats to the Etta Express, they seem to roll along come tourney time. When the bell goes off,they strap it on and get it done! Good luck at the W.S

Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 20, 2007, 09:07:54 am
Also, not very impressed with the updating of the mid east regional web site. The tourney is completed, nothing other than box scores of the finial two games.
How about all tournament team selections? Do they do that?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 20, 2007, 09:12:36 am
Congrats to Marietta for winning the Mideast Regional for the 2nd straight year.  Wheter or not they were the most talented team or not is all moot right now, because the Etta Express is on it's way to Appleton, while the rest of the teams are cleaning out their lockers.  Good luck to Marietta at the CWS and represent the Mideast and more specifically, Ohio proud!  Should be a pretty fun and wide open CWS to follow!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan on May 20, 2007, 09:33:50 am
Also, not very impressed with the updating of the mid east regional web site. The tourney is completed, nothing other than box scores of the finial two games.
How about all tournament team selections? Do they do that?

I agree completely!!  I know that Justin Merryman was named tournament MVP, but I haven't seen the All-Tournament team yet or final write-up on the tournament website, and it's already Sunday morning. 
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on May 20, 2007, 01:46:41 pm
From OWU for the All-Tournament team we had: Steve Ruygrok, freshman catcher, AJ Dote, junior first baseman, and Joey McDaniel, junior lefty pitcher/outfielder.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 20, 2007, 05:33:15 pm
It's up now...dunno when this happened.

P – Justin Merryman, Marietta (Most Outstanding Player)
P – T.J. Knowlton, Marietta
C – Steve Ruygrok, Ohio Wesleyan
1B – A.J. Dote, Ohio Wesleyan
2B – Brennan Cribbins, Marietta
SS – John Quimby, Wooster
3B – Joe Litke, Marietta
OF – Joey McDaniel, Ohio Wesleyan
OF – Jeremy Reese, Marietta
OF – Matt Sattler, Hope
DH – Brian Hiscox, Otterbein
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: pufin on May 22, 2007, 03:54:19 pm
I have been thinking about ScotsFan's comments on Wooster's lack of fundamental baseball. He said that Wooster mashes its way through the NCAC, which is entirely true. But maybe that is exactly the time that the Scots can work on the fundamentals. As much as I might smile when I read about scores like the 14-1, 24-3, 12-1, 19-3 sweep of Hiram, I guess I'd rather see 4-1, 4-3, 2-1, and 6-3 game scores if it meant that the Scots played (nearly) error free and moved runners over rather than hit the long ball.

I actually saw parts of the 8-2, 26-1, 33-15, and 26-1 bludgeoning of Kenyon in 1986, and it was a lot of fun. But that team only had a 36-14 record and went 1-2 in the regionals, a pretty typical Wooster post-season result.

I made a snide comment about Marietta being "The Program" in Ohio college baseball earlier, but it wasn't completely meant in jest. Marietta has shown success year after year after year, and maybe Wooster has to take a look at how things are done down there. I would easily trade a few meaningless regular season wins each year if it meant that the Scots would be in Wisconsin (or wherever) in May.

Tim Pettorini has had success at Wooster. In fact, he has coached more than 1/2 of Wooster's all-time wins. But it seems like the Scots have not made the adjustments necessary to step up to the next level. What will it take for Pettorini and the Scots to be more like Marietta?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: oacfan on May 22, 2007, 05:20:56 pm
He needs to realize this isnt the big leagues.  Its Division 3 baseball.  And when a kid messes up and pops up a bunt and its turned into a double play, like in regionals against MSJ, he cant take the bat and throw it across the dugout.  That is just rediculas and wont get your players attention.  If anything it will just make them a lot tighter and they wont play to their potential.  They will worry about making an error and having a bat thrown by their head
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 22, 2007, 06:21:37 pm
One glaring statistic that should be an eye opener to Tim Pettorini and his staff is after starting the season 27-0, they sputtered to a pedestrian 15-7 finish.  Take away those 4 games pufin mentioned over Hiram and it's only an 11-7 finish.  And 4 of those 7 losses came at the most important time of the season as the Scots went 1-2 vs. OWU in the NCAC Championships following that up with a disappointing 2-2 finish in the Mideast Regional.  At least that 2-2 finish was an improvement over last years 0-fer at regionals. ::)  As pufin said, I would gladly trade a couple of wins per season and that lofty ranking every year for a better performance from this team come tournament time.  I'm just getting tired of building up expectations every season only to see the Scots lay eggs once the postseason comes around. 

oacfan,

Did that bat throwing incident really happen?  That's totally unacceptable for a coach of a team to do that.  No wonder these guys are so tight at the plate!  They're all scared of what their coach is going to do to them if they don't produce?!  You can't scare your team into scoring runs or not making errors!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Nonbiased Observer on May 22, 2007, 06:41:31 pm
I saw enough of what Tim Pettorini's team did to understand his frustration.

Here were the things that struck me:
They can't bunt.
No one, with the possible exception of Sheldon Steiner, steps into an outside pitch and drives it the opposite way.

Bunting's basic baseball. Once you get to college baseball, you oughta be able to put one down
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on May 22, 2007, 07:01:24 pm
Maybe they were just never that good? I think someone told me that earlier in the year. Someone also told me that they were not very Woosterlike offensively and their top end pitching was their strength.

That's two years in a row someone's given me a really good heads up on them but I didn't listen and ended up getting fooled by their high ranking and gaudy record like everyone else.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: oacfan on May 22, 2007, 08:59:18 pm
oacfan,

Did that bat throwing incident really happen?  That's totally unacceptable for a coach of a team to do that.  No wonder these guys are so tight at the plate!  They're all scared of what their coach is going to do to them if they don't produce?!  You can't scare your team into scoring runs or not making errors!

Yes i was embarassed to be sitting there watching the game
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 22, 2007, 11:13:15 pm
Repetition is the mother of education. Wooster needs to teach these fundamentals in the gym in Jan. & Feb. Get the bunt on the ground, bunt strikes, baserunner see the ball on the ground before breaking, seeing a line drive thru the infield before advancing. This is basic baseball that doesn't seem to get taught. Not enough reps in pre-season, should not even have to think about these situations, only react.
Attended the regional Wooster hosted at the College 2004, 2005? Talked to a fan who wanted to know the differences between Morgan and Pettorini. Well, with Woo in the field and a runner on first, the batter hit a pop-up in short center behind second base. Shortstop & 2nd basemen call the ball, SS calls off the 2nd basemen, but the second basemen never returns to second to cover the bag. That would never happen with Bobby Mo.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 23, 2007, 09:22:10 am
I saw enough of what Tim Pettorini's team did to understand his frustration.

Here were the things that struck me:
They can't bunt.
No one, with the possible exception of Sheldon Steiner, steps into an outside pitch and drives it the opposite way.

Bunting's basic baseball. Once you get to college baseball, you oughta be able to put one down
To me, not being able to get the bunt down in key situations tells me this team doesn't spend enough time practicing getting the bunt down!  I think Wooster Booster brought it up in here after the NCAC championship that OWU was the best bunting team he had seen.  Were they just lucky?  No.  They probably practice their a$$es off at it!  Driving the ball to the opposite field is another thing learned by repetition! 

I don't know how often Pettorini and his staff work on the fundamentals with his teams because I'm not at the practices.  What I do know is that Wooster's lack of executing the fundamentals seems to be a developing pattern with Pettorini coached teams.  Even in Wooster's last trip to the CWS in '05, they pretty much slugged their way to Appleton.  Heck, if it wasn't for a Pat Christensen grand slam with 2 outs in the top of the 9th in the NCAC Championship game, Wooster probably doesn't even get a bid to the tournament that year!

All I'm saying is that if these Pettorini coached teams put the work into the fundamentals like the Mariettas and the Chapmans show how it's done, they surely don't show any signs of it when it counts?! ???  And the bottom line is, if Wooster isn't putting the time and effort into learning these things, Pettorini has no one to be frustrated at but himself!
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on June 05, 2007, 09:54:04 pm
I have heard a rumor Durant has left OWU?  Does anybody know if this is true?
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: kdoggy on June 16, 2007, 01:58:42 am
I heard Durant left with his wife, who got a bigtime job.  Also heard his replacement will be Cypret at Ohio State.  Heard OWU's building this new pressbox, etc. and the boys who are paying for everything down there are pushing for Cypret, who is a great coach at OSU.  I'll be anxious to see.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Nonbiased Observer on June 22, 2007, 05:37:52 pm
From what I understand, Durant isn't married and his girlfriend works in Kansas. I like the source on that info.

The rest of it could be true. No one I know seems to know.
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OWUBaseballRocks on July 06, 2007, 09:42:26 pm
I have on best sources the actual info:

Durant left.  Not married yet, girlfriend was St. Louis.  Tyler Mott, previous OWU pitcher and standout player, and Marietta pitching coach, has accepted the head coach position. 

This is correct and current (as the fiancee is friends with Tyler Mott).
Title: Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Fred Redd on September 10, 2007, 06:45:12 pm
Surprised to hear that Barry Craddock was let go at Denison. What's the deal? He seemed to be doing a pretty decent job there.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 03, 2008, 12:17:09 am
The preseason baseball poll is out, and Wooster has been issued the target to wear on its back.  Number one, I don't know, but they certainly should have one of the best pitching staffs in DIII, with everybody back from last year's group.

Their schedule and roster have not yet been posted, although the Wooster website does mention that the Scots will open against Albion on March 9th in Port Charlotte, FL.

http://www.baseballnews.com/polls/divIII/currentpolldiviii.htm
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: MC Pioneer Fan on January 03, 2008, 01:23:32 am
The stage is now set for early season showdown at Marietta, on March 26th between #1 Wooster, and #9 Marietta.

Marietta has all pitchers returning from last year, and also has CF Tony Piconke-
the leading hitter from last years team returns as well, but the Express must 3 infield starters.  Should be a great game- am looking forward to it a lot.

BTW- by looking for Wooster's schedule- has not yet been posted. Does anyone
know when it might be out?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on January 03, 2008, 11:08:01 am
The stage is now set for early season showdown at Marietta, on March 26th between #1 Wooster, and #9 Marietta.

Marietta has all pitchers returning from last year, and also has CF Tony Piconke-
the leading hitter from last years team returns as well, but the Express must 3 infield starters.  Should be a great game- am looking forward to it a lot.

BTW- by looking for Wooster's schedule- has not yet been posted. Does anyone
know when it might be out?

Request that you drop the ranking numbers, as the preseason poll is junk and Wooster has never justified a #1 ranking with a season-ending #1 ranking in program history.

Wooster at Marietta stands alone anyway.

But the DH immediately before that game is bigger than the Wooster contest by far.

As far as replacements, the only one I'm kind of wondering about is SS. I'm confident we have very capable options elsewhere. I say this not knowing who you, for all I know you might be in the mix among those people. But it wouldn't change what I say if I did know.

Good luck and enjoy the season. Hope you get to see more games than me, though with Johnny and Mark, it's almost like being there anyway :)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on January 03, 2008, 11:16:31 am
Sorry to reply to my own post, but just read on the Wooster site that they're playing EIGHTEEN games in Port Charlotte? That's almost half the season...are they just inviting the whole NCAC East to play down the conference schedule down there or what?

Marietta used to play 16 games in Panama City, but it counted as 1 and was part of about a 60 game schedule. How many home dates does Wooster have this year?

I'm just blown away by this.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 03, 2008, 02:09:37 pm
Sorry to reply to my own post, but just read on the Wooster site that they're playing EIGHTEEN games in Port Charlotte? That's almost half the season...are they just inviting the whole NCAC East to play down the conference schedule down there or what?

Marietta used to play 16 games in Panama City, but it counted as 1 and was part of about a 60 game schedule. How many home dates does Wooster have this year?

I'm just blown away by this.

Wooster could be playing a variety of good teams.  We will know once schedules are posted.

Personally I like the fact that a school will play a lot of games on the spring trip.  This leaves more time for academics for the players instead of trying to squeeze in Wednesday games and competing with class work.

Spence - i see your almost at your 1000th post.  Good Job

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on January 03, 2008, 02:18:03 pm

Schedule is posted.


http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/schedule.php
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 03, 2008, 02:29:40 pm

Schedule is posted.


http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/schedule.php

That looks like a substantial enough schedule to me.  Stevens, two with Point, then W&J over three days will give the team a test.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on January 03, 2008, 06:49:55 pm

Schedule is posted.


http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/schedule.php

That looks like a substantial enough schedule to me.  Stevens, two with Point, then W&J over three days will give the team a test.

I'd take that over at Rhodes, at Hardin-Simmons on back to back days, then vs. UT-Tyler and UT-Dallas on the same day.

The Marietta game's going to aces for Wooster vs. no #3 at best for Marietta, again. Wooster's aces will throw the 20th most likely if at all, Marietta's the 22nd against Heidelberg, and travel to OWU the day after the Wooster game. Both have conference games on the following weekend, but again we're talking about NCAC East vs. the OAC. You can't get away with skipping your aces in the OAC.

Wooster's schedule looks about like what their mediocre schedule usually looks like. Not sure why they need to play Case home and home on separate dates. Also helps Wooster that their trip is so long, so even though they're playing a lot of games it's not in as many days as many teams play, allowing them to get away with using a shorter staff. They're playing some decent teams, but most teams play a much more compressed schedule than they do down there.

That schedule is nowhere near Marietta's though. Most of their toughest opponents are on our conference schedule twice, and MC's non-conference blows away Wooster's conference foes, and is still probably better than their non-conference slate besides.

Something to remember come May when we're ordaining Wooster the national champs again.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2008, 08:18:21 pm

Schedule is posted.


http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/schedule.php

Good points about Wooster's schedule.

On closer review of the Woo schedule, these are the "non-in-region" games.

Spaulding -- 3/11
Fontbonne (2)  -- 3/15
Stevens Tech -- 3/16
UWSP (2) -- 3/17
Bethel -- 3/22

Losses to those teams don't hurt as much, but they are quality opponents so you test your bullpen.  You can then use your good starters against the other "in-region" opponents.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2008, 08:29:07 pm
Marietta's 2008 Schedule (http://www.marietta.edu/athletics/baseball/schedule.html)

IMHO, Marietta's spring trip is tougher competition because Piedmont and Sewanee have been playing for a month by the time that Marietta starts its season.

The Abilene Tourney is as fine a murderer's row for a northern team as Marietta can find!  The Rhodes game on the way down is in-region, but none of the Texas schools are.  However, IMHO UT-Tyler, UT-Dallas should finish 1-2 in the ASC-East, HSU, McMurry should make the ASC tourney from the ASC-West and Southwestern may be the weakest of the field, but will make the SCAC-West tourney.

Texas Wesleyan (NAIA-1) is another strong contender.  The Texas teams will have a month of play under their belts when Marietta calls.

Thanks to Coach Brewer for coming to Abilene.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on January 04, 2008, 06:32:38 am
I'll trust you're right on Rhodes...I can't keep in-region straight anymore without more work than I want to do for it :)

The Abilene thing has turned into a great find for coach Brewer I think. The times I've talked to him about it, it seems like we're getting everything out of it we want -- great competition, great facilities, great hospitality. Fewer distractions and chances for guys to get themselves in trouble as well compared to the beach. The schedule there looks like the best since we've been going down. There's not a game down there that we won't have to show up and play well to win.

As far as Wooster, let me be clear. Their non-conference schedule is decent, but in order to make up for their wretched conference slate, IMO they should be doing more. Of those out of region schools we mentioned, only UWSP is much of a bet to be playing after selection sunday and only Bethel could be put into a category of a pretty decent team that's just stuck in a rough conference situation as far as making the postseason (similar to finishing 3rd-5th or so in the OAC and being left out because of all the patsy automatic bid entries). Even the D-III non-con up north is not as strong as it could be, though they do play most of the OAC in midweek.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2008, 08:22:00 am
I'll trust you're right on Rhodes...I can't keep in-region straight anymore without more work than I want to do for it :)

The Abilene thing has turned into a great find for coach Brewer I think. The times I've talked to him about it, it seems like we're getting everything out of it we want -- great competition, great facilities, great hospitality. Fewer distractions and chances for guys to get themselves in trouble as well compared to the beach. The schedule there looks like the best since we've been going down. There's not a game down there that we won't have to show up and play well to win.

As far as Wooster, let me be clear. Their non-conference schedule is decent, but in order to make up for their wretched conference slate, IMO they should be doing more. Of those out of region schools we mentioned, only UWSP is much of a bet to be playing after selection sunday and only Bethel could be put into a category of a pretty decent team that's just stuck in a rough conference situation as far as making the postseason (similar to finishing 3rd-5th or so in the OAC and being left out because of all the patsy automatic bid entries). Even the D-III non-con up north is not as strong as it could be, though they do play most of the OAC in midweek.
Spence, I know that Coach Driggers and the rest of the ASC really appreciate Marietta coming down for that week.

We, the ASC schools, have had a month of play and are in the midst of divisional play.  We had gotten our pitching rotations going.  The game against 'Etta is a chance to show the ASC players what a great team does to get ready.  Those players know that this is 'Etta's spring trip.

'Etta gets a chance to get "non-in-region" games against very good teams without getting hurt in Regional Rankings.  This is one very good thing about the current rules established by the competition committee.

For the rest of the in-region rules, here is the FAQ (http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Playoffs&id=38).

The critical thing the remember is the Administrative Regions.

Region 2 is NY and PA.
Region 3 is MI, OH, WV, VA, NC, SC, GA, down to FL, (we don't have any D3 schools in Puerto Rico), over to AL, MS and LA, then back up to  AR, TN, KY and up to IN , starting in Michigan and going clockwise on the map.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on January 08, 2008, 11:44:57 pm
I'll trust you're right on Rhodes...I can't keep in-region straight anymore without more work than I want to do for it :)

The Abilene thing has turned into a great find for coach Brewer I think. The times I've talked to him about it, it seems like we're getting everything out of it we want -- great competition, great facilities, great hospitality. Fewer distractions and chances for guys to get themselves in trouble as well compared to the beach. The schedule there looks like the best since we've been going down. There's not a game down there that we won't have to show up and play well to win.

As far as Wooster, let me be clear. Their non-conference schedule is decent, but in order to make up for their wretched conference slate, IMO they should be doing more. Of those out of region schools we mentioned, only UWSP is much of a bet to be playing after selection sunday and only Bethel could be put into a category of a pretty decent team that's just stuck in a rough conference situation as far as making the postseason (similar to finishing 3rd-5th or so in the OAC and being left out because of all the patsy automatic bid entries). Even the D-III non-con up north is not as strong as it could be, though they do play most of the OAC in midweek.
Spence, I know that Coach Driggers and the rest of the ASC really appreciate Marietta coming down for that week.

We, the ASC schools, have had a month of play and are in the midst of divisional play.  We had gotten our pitching rotations going.  The game against 'Etta is a chance to show the ASC players what a great team does to get ready.  Those players know that this is 'Etta's spring trip.

'Etta gets a chance to get "non-in-region" games against very good teams without getting hurt in Regional Rankings.  This is one very good thing about the current rules established by the competition committee.

For the rest of the in-region rules, here is the FAQ (http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Playoffs&id=38).

The critical thing the remember is the Administrative Regions.

Region 2 is NY and PA.
Region 3 is MI, OH, WV, VA, NC, SC, GA, down to FL, (we don't have any D3 schools in Puerto Rico), over to AL, MS and LA, then back up to  AR, TN, KY and up to IN , starting in Michigan and going clockwise on the map.

I bet the UT Tyler game has a playoff atmosphere. Wish I could be there. Out of region be damned, I'm sure Vilade wants that game to make a statement for his program. But then all of March seems like it's going to be like that for Marietta. Rhodes, UTT, UTD, the DH at TX Wes which has become quite a little brouhaha the last few years, then at Transy, opening the OAC season with Heidelberg, then hosting Wooster and traveling to Ohio Wesleyan the next day. That's in a 13-game span. And I didn't mention in that bunch McMurry and Hardin-Simmons which have wins against us in the last two years.

In case you couldn't tell, I'm pretty blown away by this schedule. Since the contraction of the season and the changes in criteria, our scheduling had already changed a great deal, but this is IMO even a step beyond that.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woofan on January 17, 2008, 01:07:48 pm
Spence,

Do you expend all your energy finding ways to bash Wooster's baseball program?  Never seen anyone so hell bent on bringing another program down as you!  Rings of someone that couldn't meet the admission standards at Wooster.....

SHEESH!!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on January 17, 2008, 01:55:33 pm
Spence,

Do you expend all your energy finding ways to bash Wooster's baseball program?  Never seen anyone so hell bent on bringing another program down as you!  Rings of someone that couldn't meet the admission standards at Wooster.....

SHEESH!!

Just about right.  As Wooster fans, we're not allowed to be excitied about Wooster baseball unless we are beating Marietta and/or Otterbein on the road against their #1's with all their player's being healthy.  Wooster must also be coming off 3 consecutive conference games with a conference game the next day.  Until Wooster does that, the fans should keep their mouths shut.

I have the utmost respect for Marietta btw.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: oacfan on January 21, 2008, 11:45:23 pm

Just about right.  As Wooster fans, we're not allowed to be excitied about Wooster baseball unless we are beating Marietta and/or Otterbein on the road against their #1's with all their player's being healthy.  Wooster must also be coming off 3 consecutive conference games with a conference game the next day.  Until Wooster does that, the fans should keep their mouths shut.

I have the utmost respect for Marietta btw.

that would be nice
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on January 22, 2008, 04:16:33 am
Spence,

Do you expend all your energy finding ways to bash Wooster's baseball program?  Never seen anyone so hell bent on bringing another program down as you!  Rings of someone that couldn't meet the admission standards at Wooster.....

SHEESH!!

Just about right.  As Wooster fans, we're not allowed to be excitied about Wooster baseball unless we are beating Marietta and/or Otterbein on the road against their #1's with all their player's being healthy.  Wooster must also be coming off 3 consecutive conference games with a conference game the next day.  Until Wooster does that, the fans should keep their mouths shut.

I have the utmost respect for Marietta btw.

Wow y'all were late to the party.

Heck I'm not saying you can't be excited. I just think it's total BS that Wooster gets overranked in the preseason every year having consistently not lived up to it. I'd feel the same way if it were true in another region (it's not). Simply unbelievable and a slap in the face to the team that's won the region the last two years.

I can't see how anyone would logically pick a team #1 in the nation when the vast majority of the time they can't even manage to win the region and have only done so once in the last 10 years? I'm hard pressed to think of a team ranked as consistently high with as little on-field success in any NCAA sport in any division. It's like if Ohio State was preseason #1 or 2 in football but had only won the Big Ten once in the last decade and Michigan had played in the national championship 3 times in the past 6 years. How much sense would that make?

And you can't pretend that the pitching matchups last year rendered the regular season games between MC and Wooster practically useless as an evaluative tool. We're throwing literally #7 and 8 and you all save Samson and Trapuzzano just to run it up and we still make the one against Trapuzzano reasonably close. There's nothing illegal about it, but one should take it into consideration if he's being trusted to honestly evaluate teams, which people who vote in polls ostensibly are. 

woofan, you make me laugh. I didn't apply to Wooster, have no interest in going to school somewhere where it's winter 6 1/2 out of the 8 months I'd be there. Doubleheaders at Ohio Northern or Heidelberg were bad enough. Plus I don't like the "objects are WAY further away than they appear" flatland foolishness. Additionally, Marietta was the top-ranked school its size in the Midwest at the time, and they more or less paid me off to go there. There are a couple other schools I wish I'd applied to now (Wake Forest, Virginia, Davidson) but Wooster wasn't one of them. I hadn't really considered the south at the time, had never really been there except to go to the beach. If I could have gotten into those schools (and I feel confident I would have, though being an out-of-state applicant to UVa would have made it tough), Wooster would not have been a problem.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on January 22, 2008, 08:12:23 am
Spence,
  I actually agree with some, well quite a bit, of what you said.  It hurts to say that, but don't be hating on Wooster for it.  Sounds like your beef should be with the pollsters.
Regardless of what the pollsters voted, there's no reason why they should not go deep in the playoffs.  There's a reason the games are decided on the field so we'll just have to wait and see.  The only game I'll likely be able to see of The CoW is when they play at Otterbein. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on January 25, 2008, 05:06:55 pm
The 2008 Wooster roster has been posted. I noticed a couple of key players not included. Oliver Enos & John Quimby are not listed. Does anyone have info ? Both logged a lot of innings the past 2 years and were very productive offensively. With there absence, I don't think the Scots can live up to their pre-season rankings. Sure, good pitching beats good hitting but, you still have to score runs. Wooster lacks the capablities of playing small ball, not very good at get'em on, get'em over, get'em in.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 25, 2008, 06:55:57 pm
Justin Thomas, an infielder who hit .325 with 3 homers in 80 at bats, and pitcher Jeff Kaatz, a long reliever who is probably better than his last season's stats (4.74 ERA in 24 IP) indicate, are not on the roster either.  I don't know why.

John Quimby did not have a real good season last year, dropping to .292 with 7 homeruns and fielding only .918 at shortstop.  He was replaced, for a while, by Frank Johnson, but won his job back during the tournament and played very well.  Oliver Enos, who was 2nd-team NCAC as a DH, hit .360 while playing left field (and DH'ing) and looked to have that same job coming into 2008.  The Scots will miss these players, a lot, unless there are some very talented incoming freshmen to replace them.  Internet searches turned up no information as to whether these players are playing elsewhere.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on January 26, 2008, 08:33:16 am
Justin Thomas is playing ice hockey at Pitt. Oliver Enos is at Loyola Marymount playing BB.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on January 27, 2008, 08:24:49 pm
I see Barry Craddock is listed as an assistant coach.  That's a pretty nice thing to have. 

Did Barry work with the pitching staff while at Wooster the first time around?  I don't recall his role? 

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on February 23, 2008, 05:13:25 pm
The season is officially underway in the NCAC as Wabash drops a DH to Guilford College in North Carolina today.  Scores 3-0 & 11-7. They play a single game tomorrow.  Would be nice to salvage one win on the trip as they have some stiff competition in Texas for their next run of games the first week of March.
Good to be playing ball again.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 04, 2008, 09:19:50 am
Where are all the Denison fans? Your pitcher throws a no-no and not one word mentioned.
Congrats to Park Smith of Denison on your no hit gem. No hitters are something special!!!!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 09, 2008, 01:29:14 pm
Wooster started today against Albion @ 12:00.

If anyone knows the score(s) of their game(s) in Florida before it's posted to their site please put it up.  I believe in year's past it took quite a while for their scores to get put up on their site.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 09, 2008, 09:21:26 pm
Wooster defeated Albion 5-3 today.


http://www.albion.edu/sports/baseball/2008statistics/39wooab.htm

How do you pronounce the losing pitcher's last name? 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 10, 2008, 11:21:03 am
Um, wild guess.  "fill-A-chi-ah"?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 10, 2008, 12:09:43 pm
Um, wild guess.  "fill-A-chi-ah"?

Fill-eh-Chee-uh?

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 10, 2008, 12:49:50 pm
Sorry, I was being a smarty pants. 

Anyway, Wooster sure left a lot of guys on base.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 10, 2008, 02:39:00 pm
Boy, I hate to be critical after the first game BUT, after reading the play by play Woo again refuses to play small ball. In the 4th with runners on 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, nine hole hitter at the plate. Why not a squeeze play? Hitter K's, ( wasn't at the game, maybe they tried and was unsuccessful) but its not likely.

This was a perfect place to try to manufacture a run. Woo coaching staff should be taking advantage of these situations early in the season. Can't expect a kid to do it in the playoffs when they haven't done it all year. They lost alot of offense and won't be able to out slug opponents.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: bufordscot on March 10, 2008, 03:11:19 pm


Boy, I hate to be critical after the first game BUT, after reading the play by play Woo again refuses to play small ball. In the 4th with runners on 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, nine hole hitter at the plate. Why not a squeeze play? Hitter K's, ( wasn't at the game, maybe they tried and was unsuccessful) but its not likely.

This was a perfect place to try to manufacture a run. Woo coaching staff should be taking advantage of these situations early in the season. Can't expect a kid to do it in the playoffs when they haven't done it all year. They lost alot of offense and won't be able to out slug opponents.

Agree and disagree.  Not a bad time to try and manufacture a run however; in this case the ninth batter is a Senior co-captain.  This is a guy you'll need to count on in the clutch.  Try to build some confidence; let him play.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 10, 2008, 03:48:05 pm
Buford, have you read the players bio? Coaching staff says he excels at advancing runners. A captain leads by example and should not feel slighted by giving themselves up for the team. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 10, 2008, 03:55:31 pm
A week later and not a word mentioned about Denison's no hitter by Park Smith. I guess they have no fans that veiw the baseball board.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 10, 2008, 04:24:57 pm
Wooster splits a doubleheader with Ohio Wesleyan, winning 5-2, then losing 4-2.  No other information yet.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 12, 2008, 02:26:24 pm
Wooster beats Spalding 10-4 on 3/11, per Spaldings web site. No box scores available. Just thought I'd post it here for Wooster fans because Woo's web site doesn"t seem to update in a timely fashion.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 12, 2008, 04:38:47 pm
Wooster now has the Spalding boxscore up, which reveals that the gamescore was 12-2, indicating that the Spalding website is as spotty as their pitching staff.

Wooster is still looking for offense where they can find it.  To this end, John Warren is once again receiving some at bats and showing that he can swing the stick as well as pitch. 

Off day today, Heidelberg tomorrow. The SPs are 4-1, having scored 62 runs already this season.  Possibly Adam Samson will face them on three days rest, having only pitched six innings in his last outing.  Otherwise, I don't know who it might be. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 12, 2008, 07:06:40 pm
Red flag after Wooster's first four games. 25 K's in 121 AB's. One strike out every 4.8 plate appearances.

If the boys can't put the bat on the ball, all the more reason to play small ball.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 13, 2008, 10:09:36 am
I think it still might be too early to go raising red flags about Wooster's offense just yet.  After all, this is the first since last fall that the Scots have been able to even be outside of the gym for practice.  And they arrived too late on Saturday to get any practice in as well.  So, they had a round of batting practice before stepping into live pitching for the 1st time this sping against Albion.  And Wooster has also had to face some quality pitchers as well.  Albion threw their #1 agaisnt the Scots and OWU threw out their 2 best vs. Wooster.

One note of concern I have is in regards to the health of Anthony Trapuzzano.  In an article in the Wooster Daily Record yesterday, it mentioned that Trap was battling a shoulder injury.  Pettorini mentioned that he is real interested in seeing how Trap's shoulder responds the day after working as hard as he did on Monday.  It didn't seem to affect his performance as he went 5.1 innings giving up 2 runs on just 2 hits while striking out 5.  Pettorini also mentioned that he hit 88 mph on the radar gun which he was surprised to see this early.  Hopefully it's nothing more than the usual aches and pains that accompany early spring practice.  Wooster can't afford to put a pichter of Trap's quality on the shelf.  Especially since the Scots look to be built around their pitching as opposed to their offense for a change.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 13, 2008, 02:43:11 pm
From the Wooster website, the Scots down Heidelberg, 5-2.  No boxscore up yet on either school's site.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 13, 2008, 03:16:16 pm
I think it still might be too early to go raising red flags about Wooster's offense just yet.  After all, this is the first since last fall that the Scots have been able to even be outside of the gym for practice. 

Isn't this the case for pretty much everyone you've played as well (other than maybe Spalding, who is just not good)?

Not trying to say anything one way or another about whether Wooster is good or not -- way too early for that -- but I thought most of the teams they played we're from as far or even further north. It's been a crappy winter in the Great Lakes states no matter what.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 14, 2008, 07:38:47 am


Box Score

http://www.heidelberg.edu/sites/herald.heidelberg.edu/files/b031308.htm
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 14, 2008, 08:28:49 am
As good, and as deep, as Wooster's pitching appears to be, it's still a difficult task to manuever a staff down in Florida.  For instance, the Scots already need to begin to prepare for next week's back to back league doubleheaders against Allegheny.  They'd definitely like to align the rotation to include Samson, Trapuzzano, Barnes, and DeGrande to face the Gators but that would mean holding back their best in some of the upcoming contests, Stevens Point and Wash and Jeff being the beneficiaries.

Maybe like this:   

March 9 vs. Albion (Samson)
March 10 vs. Ohio Wesleyan (2) (Trapuzzano and Barnes)
March 11 vs. Spalding (DeGrand)
March 13 vs. Heidelberg (Samson
March 14 vs. Anderson (Probably Barnes, giving Trapuzzano's shoulder the extra day)
March 15 vs. Fontbonne (Barnes or Trapuzzano)
March 16 vs. Stevens Institute of Technology (DeGrand)
March 17 vs. Wis.-Stevens Point (2) (Samson and Unknown)
March 18 vs. Washington & Jefferson (Unknown)
March 20 vs. Allegheny (2) (Barnes and DeGrand)
March 21 vs. Allegheny (2) (Samson and Trapuzzano, again giving Trap an extra day)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 14, 2008, 09:17:48 am
March 17 vs. Wis.-Stevens Point (2) (Samson and Unknown)
March 18 vs. Washington & Jefferson (Unknown)
You must have a lot of faith in this Unknown kid to want to throw him back to back against UWSP and W&J...  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 14, 2008, 10:20:59 am
The number of discrepencies between the schedules of the various schools is unbelievable.  The name of the opponent seems to be the only item that is consistently in common.  The scheduled game time is almost always different and sometimes one school claims there will be a doubleheader while the other insists it will be a single game.  This shouldn't be that hard.

It would be nice if the people at Russ Matt baseball in Florida added a section to their website that included results.  That seemingly wouldn't be that hard, either, and in this day and age even uploading boxscores would be a piece of cake.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 14, 2008, 01:10:07 pm
What is the Russ Matt baseball about? Their web site seems to present it as a tournament. Is there a tournament winner or is it just a central location where teams can compete against each other?

Scots fan, I agree. They should have an updated result on their web site as to games played.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 14, 2008, 03:51:53 pm
It's not a tournament, but more than a central location.  I believe that once teams choose to participate, for either a week or two, the Russ Matt people do the scheduling of games.  It's just that, though, a bunch of games.  If you Google Russ Matt you'll find their site, and it's possible to download their total spring schedule in a .pdf format.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 15, 2008, 10:16:08 am
Wooster swept a DH from Anderson yesterday by the scores of 7-5 and 8-5.  Anderson had won 6 in a row coming into yesterday's DH including a sweep of OWU.

Matt Barnes picked up the win in the opener despite giving up 5 runs in just 4 innings of work.  Wooster was benificial of some Anderson miscues as they scored 4 runs in the top of the 5th to secure the win.  Three of the runs were unearned...

In the nightcap, freshman Justin McDowell had a pretty solid outing until the 6th.  He allowed one run over the 1st five innings and had 2 outs in the 6th before he ran out of gas.  Anderson tagged him for 4 runs before the inning was over.

Mark Miller notched saves 3 & 4 on the season as the Scots are now 6-1.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 16, 2008, 10:38:01 pm
Wabash takes all 4 games this weekend from Robert Morris to move to 7-6 on the season.  Not bad considering their 0-3 start.  Went 3-3 on the Texas trip with some pretty good competition.

They have pitched well and played good defense thus far keeping them in all of their games.  Offensive production has been nothing spectacular.
I think we'll know a lot more more about this team after this week.  DePauw on Wed. then 4 games with OWU to open NCAC league play.  Despite off-season coaching changes - OWU & Denison still look to be the class of the NCAC-West as evidenced by the early season scores thus far.
OWU has posted wins against Wooster and Ohio Univ. & Denison has pitched very well to date.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 17, 2008, 10:33:47 am
Wooster picked up 3 more wins over the weekend sweeping a DH vs. Fontbonne 9-4 & 17-3 and then unloading on Stevens 26-6. 

Trap picked up the W in the 1st game against Fontbonne to improve to 2-0.  He went 5.1 allowing 4 runs (3 earned) and struck out 7.  Matt DeGrand also improved to 2-0 in the nightcap going 5 allowing 3 runs (2 earned).

Tanner Hall notched his 1st win of the season yesterday going 6.  He had an impressive 8 strikeouts in the outing. 

Next up for the Scots is a DH today vs. nationally ranked UWSP.  OWU beat the Pointers over the weekend 11-7 in their Florida opener.  I would expect Adam Samson and Matt Barnes to be on the mound for the Scots today.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 17, 2008, 02:27:36 pm
Wooster defeated UWSP today 11-9 in 10 innings in game one.  No box score is posted as of now.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 17, 2008, 07:52:58 pm
Wooster defeated UWSP today 11-9 in 10 innings in game one.  No box score is posted as of now.
Can't wait to see how Spence puts his negative spin on this one.  I suppose UWSP was throwing some scrub off the JV team or something... ::)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 17, 2008, 07:59:20 pm
Still no score up on either school's site for game two.  I'm wondering who pitched that first game for Wooster, if it was Samson or not.  Hopefully not, rather he was held back for game two, and had a better outing.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 17, 2008, 09:22:35 pm
The UWSP website is now showing that Wooster won the second game as well by a score of 8-7.  Nice Sweep by the Scots!! :)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on March 18, 2008, 12:05:31 am
The UWSP website is now showing that Wooster won the second game as well by a score of 8-7.  Nice Sweep by the Scots!! :)

I've written it many times already on the WIAC and Midwest boards, and I'll state it here. Stevens Point is not that great this year. I think Point will finish third (behind Whitewater and Oshkosh) in our league and eke into regionals. After that, who knows? The Pointers could end up in Grand Chute again, but their talent, especially the pitching, is down. Sure, like today Point can hit sometimes but will rarely shut a team down.

That said, sometimes a jersey can create problems for opponents. And I don't want to take away what Wooster did today. Point is still pretty (very, maybe) good in relative terms, but I have no doubt that Wooster has the better team. SP is barely Top 25 material – probably outside the poll if they were not "Stevens Point." WC is Top 10. I'm actually surprised the games were as close as they were, but that's why they play them.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 18, 2008, 08:14:08 am
I havn't been impressed with what I've got from Wooster's box score this spring.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 18, 2008, 10:38:23 am
Wooster has updated their scores page to include the box score. 

Samson did indeed pictch in the 1st game of the DH.  He pretty much got rocked going just 4 innings and allowing 8 runs (7 earned) and he walked 5. :o  I can't remember an outing as bad as that for Samson.

In game 2, Wooster rallied for 4 runs in the bottom of the 7th to win 8-7!  Nate Gemberling-Johnson got the start and didn't fare much better than Samson in the 1st game.  He also only went 4 innings and allowed all 7 Pointer runs (all earned).

So much for thinking that the picthing was going to be the ones carrying the team this season...  Wooster's offense seems to be coming around as they are now averaging 9.5 runs per game and their team batting average is up to .342.  Meanwhile the piching staff now has a team ERA of over 4.

Wooster has an important Mid-East Region contest this morning vs. W&J and then a much needed day off tomorrow before their back to back DH's vs. Allegheny Thursday and Friday for their NCAC lid lifters.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 18, 2008, 10:46:43 am
I havn't been impressed with what I've got from Wooster's box score this spring.
I'd say that this has more to do with the guys down in FLA not reporting anything back to Wooster in a timely manner.  If they're not phoning in the results, there's not much else you can do other than wait. 

The reasoning behind my thinking is because Wooster's Hugh Howard has to be considered one of the best small college SID's out there.  He does a tremendous job, IMO, with keeping us fans updated on all things related to Wooster athletics.  Especially when you factor in his large support staff... ;)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 18, 2008, 10:58:19 am
I havn't been impressed with what I've got from Wooster's box score this spring.
I'd say that this has more to do with the guys down in FLA not reporting anything back to Wooster in a timely manner.  If they're not phoning in the results, there's not much else you can do other than wait. 

The reasoning behind my thinking is because Wooster's Hugh Howard has to be considered one of the best small college SID's out there.  He does a tremendous job, IMO, with keeping us fans updated on all things related to Wooster athletics.  Especially when you factor in his large support staff... ;)

Oh no, I was referencing the stats within the box score.  Obviously I havn't watch any games, so I'm going by what I read in the box score.  Saying that, I havn't been impressed by the stats.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 18, 2008, 11:27:20 am
Oh no, I was referencing the stats within the box score.  Obviously I havn't watch any games, so I'm going by what I read in the box score.  Saying that, I havn't been impressed by the stats.
Oops!  My bad.  I see what you're saying now.  I misinterpreted what you were saying.

I would have to say that I agree with you about Wooster's overall stats.  The starting pitching is going to have to improve.  And the bats have been scoring just enough to win for the most part, but I'm still not convinced in Wooster's offense when they face legit pitching like they'll face come post-season time.  But the stat that pops out at me as the most alarming is once again ERRORS!  Once again, this team seems to be making far too many errors for a team that is supposed to be #2 in the nation.  The Scots have made 22 errors in their 12 games thus far.  To their credit, in 6 of their games, the Scots have committed one or fewer errors including 3 clean sheets.  On the flip side, Wooster has had 2 games with 4 or more errors including yesterday's opener with SP where they committed 4 in just 7 innings.  I just don't get why Wooster can't produce more fundamentally sound fielding teams...
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 18, 2008, 12:44:56 pm
Seems to me that OshDude has it right; Stevens Point can definitely hit, but their pitching and defense aren't as yet world class.

Still, I'm surprised at Samson's poor outing, even against a team that can swing the bats.  But, it's just one turn on the mound, and I'm sure he'll bounce back.  On the positive side, Mark Miller still hasn't allowed an earned run this year, and maybe the Scots have found another pitcher in freshman Tyler Fugate, whose numbers look good in three outings.

It's hard to derive much knowledge when the team is in Florida.  Who knows if Samson and Trap (I'm calling him this because for the life of me I can't remember how many zzzzz's and nnnnnnnn's are in his name) are completely healthy?  More information will be available, from the parents, when everybody arrives home.  Hopefully, by the Marietta game, it will be 72 and balmy outside. ;)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 18, 2008, 12:53:05 pm
Errors are something that definitely jump out at me too.  Too many at shortstop.  I realize MJ is new to that position as of last season, but the ss has to be better.  I'm not saying he won't improve.   

Our offense is striking out (58) too much.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 18, 2008, 12:57:51 pm
Final:  Wooster 9  Washington & Jefferson 4 :)

Wooster had 15 hits, 0 errors and is now 12-1 on the season.
Wash & Jeff had 11 hits, 2 errors and their record drops to 4-2.

Wooster freshman Justin McDowell pitched 6 innings (3 runs allowed) to notch his 2nd win of the season.  Scots jumped out to an 8-0 lead in the first 5 innings of the game.

Wooster leading hitters were Pat Christensen with a triple, double and 3 RBI's.  Jake Sankal was 3 for 5 with 1 RBI.  Bubba McDowell was 3 for 4 with 1 RBI.  Matt Groezinger had 2 hits including a home run.

Next up is the 4 game set with Allegheny.  GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 18, 2008, 01:39:51 pm
Nice info.  I'm feeling better now.  haha
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 18, 2008, 02:27:15 pm
Allegheny is currently 1-4.  They had a game with Gordon this morning, but no result is up yet.  It looks as if the Gators still haven't righted their ship after being a strong NCAC team for a number of years.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 18, 2008, 04:04:20 pm
Wooster defeated UWSP today 11-9 in 10 innings in game one.  No box score is posted as of now.
Can't wait to see how Spence puts his negative spin on this one.  I suppose UWSP was throwing some scrub off the JV team or something... ::)

Yeah because I'm in such a position to say anything to anyone right now.

But as Oshdude said, this isn't the best year for UWSP, and I wouldn't be surprised if they finish 4th in the 7-team WIAC.

Wooster's certainly managing a lot of close wins. I'm never sure whether to take that as a good thing or not when that happens.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 19, 2008, 09:32:06 am
Wooster's certainly managing a lot of close wins. I'm never sure whether to take that as a good thing or not when that happens.
Well, I think winning the close ones is better than losing them... ::)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 19, 2008, 11:31:12 am
Wooster's certainly managing a lot of close wins. I'm never sure whether to take that as a good thing or not when that happens.
Well, I think winning the close ones is better than losing them... ::)

Unless you win them all in March and start losing them in May. Then it's not so good.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 19, 2008, 06:23:52 pm
Spence, it's o.k. to give the team to the north credit for a good start to the season. We will see how the season shakes out but, you should feel no shame to give Wooster some love.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 19, 2008, 06:58:23 pm
Spence, it's o.k. to give the team to the north credit for a good start to the season. We will see how the season shakes out but, you should feel no shame to give Wooster some love.
Don't count on it.  Especially with the poor start his 'Etta Express is off to...
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 20, 2008, 06:39:39 pm
Spence, it's o.k. to give the team to the north credit for a good start to the season. We will see how the season shakes out but, you should feel no shame to give Wooster some love.
Don't count on it.  Especially with the poor start his 'Etta Express is off to...

Do you all really want to go through this again? The last two years you all have celebrated your high regular season ranking and beat your chests and got 1 regional victory to show for out of 2 #1 seedings. One win, four losses when it matters. And one man and one man alone had it pegged a month in advance.

Why don't you all win something before thumping your chests? Just once?

Great you're 12-1, we're 2-9. You've played about 3 teams that are as good as the 2nd worst team on our schedule so far. We've started out slow before and still beat your asses on the way to the Series. We'll see where things are next week. Are y'all gonna flip your rotation again to get your ace on our down the line guys? Because that definitely makes it a fair barometer  ::)

Jeez, just win something. Then talk your smack. That's all. Win. Something. Anything. Even just the regional. Make the title game (and then don't get beat 15-1).
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 20, 2008, 09:41:18 pm
Wooster swept Allegheny 14-4 and 4-1 today behind Anthony Trappuzano and Matt Barnes.  The boxscores are up on the Allegheny website.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 21, 2008, 12:33:31 am
Wooster swept Allegheny 14-4 and 4-1 today behind Anthony Trappuzano and Matt Barnes.  The boxscores are up on the Allegheny website.

Guess that answers my question about whether they're bypassing the ace for the conference series.

Must be nice to play in such a bad division that you don't even need the ace to throw to win it.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 21, 2008, 09:29:40 am
Wooster swept Allegheny 14-4 and 4-1 today behind Anthony Trappuzano and Matt Barnes.  The boxscores are up on the Allegheny website.

Guess that answers my question about whether they're bypassing the ace for the conference series.

Must be nice to play in such a bad division that you don't even need the ace to throw to win it.

Guess that shows you don't check basic facts before making silly posts about Wooster's rotation. ::) :D

Does Marietta pitch their ace on only 2 days of rest?  Adam Samson pitched on March 17th so a minimium 3 days of rest suggests that he will pitch again today (March 21st) in the Allegheny doubleheader.

Good luck to Wooster in today's doubleheader vs the Gators!  GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 21, 2008, 09:44:04 am
Spence, things were getting a little boring so I threw something out there that would get your water hot. You took the bait and really ran with it.

Now on a serious note. Lighten up a little, man. You always make it Marietta against the world and its not. Nobody here is talking trash on anyone.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 21, 2008, 10:07:39 am
Now on a serious note. Lighten up a little, man. You always make it Marietta against the world and its not. Nobody here is talking trash on anyone.
I don't think he understands how to lighten up.  For whatever reason, this guy has got a lot of pent up anger towards Wooster.  Judging by Marietta's overall record vs. Wooster, you would think us Wooster fans should be the bitter angry ones.  This guy is just unreal... ::)

It's actually quite amusing about how easy it is to rile this guy up.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 21, 2008, 10:14:48 am
Wooster swept Allegheny 14-4 and 4-1 today behind Anthony Trappuzano and Matt Barnes.  The boxscores are up on the Allegheny website.
I saw that Trappuzano had a complete game in the opener.  I guess his shoulder must be feeling ok for him to go all 7 innings.  Mark Miller pitched 2 more scoreless innings in the 2nd game  to notch his 5th save of the young season.  He has still not allowed an earned run this season. 

It will be interesting to see how Samson rebounds from that rough outing in his last start today assuming he will start one of the games. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 21, 2008, 10:17:30 am
And one man and one man alone had it pegged a month in advance.
I guess we should just call you freaking Nostradamus?! :o
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 21, 2008, 11:47:35 am
No offense, but why did you guys have to start with him?  He was gone.  His tail was between his legs.  We'd had peace all spring.  Why was it necessary to pull his chain?  Geeze.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 21, 2008, 01:36:25 pm
Wooster swept Allegheny 14-4 and 4-1 today behind Anthony Trappuzano and Matt Barnes.  The boxscores are up on the Allegheny website.

Guess that answers my question about whether they're bypassing the ace for the conference series.

Must be nice to play in such a bad division that you don't even need the ace to throw to win it.

Guess that shows you don't check basic facts before making silly posts about Wooster's rotation. ::) :D

Does Marietta pitch their ace on only 2 days of rest?  Adam Samson pitched on March 17th so a minimium 3 days of rest suggests that he will pitch again today (March 21st) in the Allegheny doubleheader.

Good luck to Wooster in today's doubleheader vs the Gators!  GO SCOTS!


Well we'll see if Samson throws today, but it's not like Pettorini's never thrown a guy on short rest. Or no rest.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 21, 2008, 01:37:21 pm
Spence, things were getting a little boring so I threw something out there that would get your water hot. You took the bait and really ran with it.

Now on a serious note. Lighten up a little, man. You always make it Marietta against the world and its not. Nobody here is talking trash on anyone.

Nice, so you're admitting to being a troll. Great.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 21, 2008, 01:38:19 pm
And one man and one man alone had it pegged a month in advance.
I guess we should just call you freaking Nostradamus?! :o

That'd be fine.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 21, 2008, 02:18:14 pm
Spence, the only thing I'm admitting to is being a fan of DIII baseball in Ohio. I show support for any team from Ohio that makes the WS. I am man enough to give credit were credit is due.

Have a Happy Easter.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 21, 2008, 03:58:35 pm
Spence, the only thing I'm admitting to is being a fan of DIII baseball in Ohio. I show support for any team from Ohio that makes the WS. I am man enough to give credit were credit is due.

Have a Happy Easter.

Perhaps you're unaware of what the term troll means.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 21, 2008, 05:13:01 pm
Spence, I know what a troll is. I'm sorry if I offended you. If you look at the ASC west message board I did stand up for Etta when they were getting beat.

I'm only saying you could do the same for teams from Ohio. Don't take everything so personal.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 21, 2008, 08:00:08 pm
Spence, I know what a troll is. I'm sorry if I offended you. If you look at the ASC west message board I did stand up for Etta when they were getting beat.

I'm only saying you could do the same for teams from Ohio. Don't take everything so personal.

Offended...lol yeah someone not liking me or trolling me is offensive.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 21, 2008, 08:07:15 pm
Wooster swept Allegheny 14-4 and 4-1 today behind Anthony Trappuzano and Matt Barnes.  The boxscores are up on the Allegheny website.

Guess that answers my question about whether they're bypassing the ace for the conference series.

Must be nice to play in such a bad division that you don't even need the ace to throw to win it.

Guess that shows you don't check basic facts before making silly posts about Wooster's rotation. ::) :D

Does Marietta pitch their ace on only 2 days of rest?  Adam Samson pitched on March 17th so a minimium 3 days of rest suggests that he will pitch again today (March 21st) in the Allegheny doubleheader.

Good luck to Wooster in today's doubleheader vs the Gators!  GO SCOTS!


Well we'll see if Samson throws today, but it's not like Pettorini's never thrown a guy on short rest. Or no rest.

Samson threw today and I'm assuming will throw against Marietta. Knew they'd make sure it happened one way or another. Couldn't actually be on level terms playing us. My Q is will they skip Kenyon to throw him against Otterbein. Then skip Oberlin to throw him against Kent State...and on it goes.

I wish I could say it all comes out in the wash, but it doesn't.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 21, 2008, 08:09:05 pm
Anyone know why Cultice isn't pitching for Kenyon? Is it because they can't afford to take him out of the field?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 21, 2008, 10:36:06 pm
Spence, the only troll here, which you know well and good, is you.  Everybody else in this discussion is a Wooster fan, a school that is in the NCAC, for which this room is named.  You're not.  Your sole purpose here is to make trouble, as it has been for the last two years. 

You're a Marietta fan.  Yet, you haven't made a post in the OAC room in weeks.  Why don't you spend some time over there talking about your own team instead of trashing ours?  Everybody in this room is goddamned tired of your sorry act.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 22, 2008, 12:01:30 am
Spence, the only troll here, which you know well and good, is you.  Everybody else in this discussion is a Wooster fan, a school that is in the NCAC, for which this room is named.  You're not.  Your sole purpose here is to make trouble, as it has been for the last two years. 

You're a Marietta fan.  Yet, you haven't made a post in the OAC room in weeks.  Why don't you spend some time over there talking about your own team instead of trashing ours?  Everybody in this room is goddamned tired of your sorry act.


Well said WB!  Hey pot, errrr Spence, meet kettle...

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 22, 2008, 12:33:47 am
Wooster finished off their FLA trip on a strong note.  After starting just 2-1, they finished winning 14 in a row including an all important 4 game sweep over conference rival Allegheny.  Samson indeed bounced back from his last outing pitching a complete game shutout.  He allowed just 5 hits over seven innings including ten strike outs!  Nice bounce back game from the All-American!

Matt DeGrand, however, didn't have such an impressive outing in his start as he didn't get out of the first inning.  But how about Mark Miller.  He came into the game trailing 6-4 through 3 innings.  And all he did was shut the Gators out and give Wooster the opportunity to complete their come from behind win!  I would say that the early season candidate for team MVP and at the very least for the FLA trip should undoubtedly go to Miller.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 22, 2008, 01:11:05 am
Spence, the only troll here, which you know well and good, is you.  Everybody else in this discussion is a Wooster fan, a school that is in the NCAC, for which this room is named.  You're not.  Your sole purpose here is to make trouble, as it has been for the last two years. 


Hey moron, did you not notice who brought my name into this room?

Let me refresh your memory since you're apparently too damn stupid to remember, or scroll up.
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Quote from: countyroad on March 17, 2008, 02:27:36 pm
Wooster defeated UWSP today 11-9 in 10 innings in game one.  No box score is posted as of now.
Can't wait to see how Spence puts his negative spin on this one.  I suppose UWSP was throwing some scrub off the JV team or something... Roll Eyes
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You even admitted that it was the acts of other posters that brought me back into the discussion.

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No offense, but why did you guys have to start with him?  He was gone.  His tail was between his legs.  We'd had peace all spring.  Why was it necessary to pull his chain?  Geeze.
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Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 22, 2008, 01:12:30 am
Spence, the only troll here, which you know well and good, is you.  Everybody else in this discussion is a Wooster fan, a school that is in the NCAC, for which this room is named.  You're not.  Your sole purpose here is to make trouble, as it has been for the last two years. 

You're a Marietta fan.  Yet, you haven't made a post in the OAC room in weeks.  Why don't you spend some time over there talking about your own team instead of trashing ours?  Everybody in this room is goddamned tired of your sorry act.


Well said WB!  Hey pot, errrr Spence, meet kettle...



I guess if two idiots agree with each other they're both geniuses in their own minds.

Refer to previous post.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: bufordscot on March 22, 2008, 10:32:41 am
Wooster swept Allegheny 14-4 and 4-1 today behind Anthony Trappuzano and Matt Barnes.  The boxscores are up on the Allegheny website.

Guess that answers my question about whether they're bypassing the ace for the conference series.

Must be nice to play in such a bad division that you don't even need the ace to throw to win it.

Guess that shows you don't check basic facts before making silly posts about Wooster's rotation. ::) :D

Does Marietta pitch their ace on only 2 days of rest?  Adam Samson pitched on March 17th so a minimium 3 days of rest suggests that he will pitch again today (March 21st) in the Allegheny doubleheader.

Good luck to Wooster in today's doubleheader vs the Gators!  GO SCOTS!


Well we'll see if Samson throws today, but it's not like Pettorini's never thrown a guy on short rest. Or no rest.

Samson threw today and I'm assuming will throw against Marietta. Knew they'd make sure it happened one way or another. Couldn't actually be on level terms playing us. My Q is will they skip Kenyon to throw him against Otterbein. Then skip Oberlin to throw him against Kent State...and on it goes.

I wish I could say it all comes out in the wash, but it doesn't.

Spence - What a feeble argument.  IMHO it's a manager's/head coaches job to put his team in the best position to compete.  If Coach P believes he can pitch less than his ace and beat Kenyon and save his ace for Otterbein that sounds like sound management to me.  It happens in every level of baseball from competitive youth leagues to the Major League pennant races.  As for playing on level terms, maybe you should speak to your coach about managing his staff.  Not a knock on your highly successful coach...just a comment on your lack of managerial (whether it be baseball or business) understanding.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 22, 2008, 01:30:10 pm
Wooster swept Allegheny 14-4 and 4-1 today behind Anthony Trappuzano and Matt Barnes.  The boxscores are up on the Allegheny website.

Guess that answers my question about whether they're bypassing the ace for the conference series.

Must be nice to play in such a bad division that you don't even need the ace to throw to win it.

Guess that shows you don't check basic facts before making silly posts about Wooster's rotation. ::) :D

Does Marietta pitch their ace on only 2 days of rest?  Adam Samson pitched on March 17th so a minimium 3 days of rest suggests that he will pitch again today (March 21st) in the Allegheny doubleheader.

Good luck to Wooster in today's doubleheader vs the Gators!  GO SCOTS!


Well we'll see if Samson throws today, but it's not like Pettorini's never thrown a guy on short rest. Or no rest.

Samson threw today and I'm assuming will throw against Marietta. Knew they'd make sure it happened one way or another. Couldn't actually be on level terms playing us. My Q is will they skip Kenyon to throw him against Otterbein. Then skip Oberlin to throw him against Kent State...and on it goes.

I wish I could say it all comes out in the wash, but it doesn't.

Spence - What a feeble argument.  IMHO it's a manager's/head coaches job to put his team in the best position to compete.  If Coach P believes he can pitch less than his ace and beat Kenyon and save his ace for Otterbein that sounds like sound management to me.  It happens in every level of baseball from competitive youth leagues to the Major League pennant races.  As for playing on level terms, maybe you should speak to your coach about managing his staff.  Not a knock on your highly successful coach...just a comment on your lack of managerial (whether it be baseball or business) understanding.

And where the hell did I say otherwise? What the hell is it with this board inventing statements they claim I made?

There's nothing at all wrong with doing it. But there is something wrong with other people not taking it into consideration when it comes time for selections, seedings, rankings, etc.

Things like this are why I wish this game wasn't played.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 23, 2008, 09:22:30 am

Hey moron, did you not notice who brought my name into this room?

Let me refresh your memory since you're apparently too damn stupid to remember, or scroll up.




I guess if two idiots agree with each other they're both geniuses in their own minds.

Ahhh, I knew it would only be a matter of time before we saw you at your classless best...

Spence's M.O. :  When all else fails, revert to name calling.  Niiiiiice... ::)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 23, 2008, 09:53:45 am
Wabash sweeps Ohio Wesleyan yesterday!!!!!

http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=5664

Little Giants are now 9-6 (2-0 NCAC West) and have won 6 straight.
Could this be the year they challenge to be a part of the post-season?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on March 23, 2008, 11:44:23 am
I'm at the tail end of a NCAA hoops marathon (all 48 games 1st and 2nd round games in 4 days...I know, I have a problem) but wanted to chime in on the Wabash baseball wins.  Sweeping a twinbill from OWU at OWU is a big step for the Little Giant team.  A split today would make for a great weekend and a very positive start to conference play.  Well done Little Giants!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 23, 2008, 01:46:30 pm

Hey moron, did you not notice who brought my name into this room?

Let me refresh your memory since you're apparently too damn stupid to remember, or scroll up.



I guess if two idiots agree with each other they're both geniuses in their own minds.

Ahhh, I knew it would only be a matter of time before we saw you at your classless best...

Spence's M.O. :  When all else fails, revert to name calling.  Niiiiiice... ::)

BS. If you cannot understand a simple sentence without inventing things that aren't there, then you are not very smart. That's a fact. It's not name calling if it's true.

It's not very classy of you to refer to me as classless for merely telling the truth.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 23, 2008, 06:33:09 pm
Wabash & OWU split today.
Wabash wins the first 9-6; drops the second 11-5.
Nice start in NCAC play at 3-1 (10-7 overall) and definitely a confidence booster given our past record against the Bishops and their dominance in the West Division over the years.   Next up in conference is Denison in two weeks.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 24, 2008, 07:42:47 am
How are some the NCAC ball fields looking?  Are we going to be able to get some games in locally once teams get back from their southern trips?


Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 24, 2008, 08:59:07 am
How are some the NCAC ball fields looking?  Are we going to be able to get some games in locally once teams get back from their southern trips?

I haven't been out to see what Art Murray Field looks like.  But the forecast for this week isn't too favorable for drying things up.  It looks like rain is in the forecast for just about every day this week. 

Wooster's game Wednesday at Marietta may be up in the air as will Thursday's game when the Scots host B-W.  There's a 30% chance of rain in Marietta on Wed. and there's a 40% chance of precip in Wooster on Thursday.  If we don't get too much rain/snow this week, the forecast looks decent for the weekend series vs. Kenyon.  Just a bit on the chilly side with temps in the 40's.

Nice showing by Wabash over the weekend.  Congrats on taking 3 of 4 from OWU.  Looks like the Bishops will have some work to do to get out of the West division this season.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 24, 2008, 10:22:11 am
Gotcha.  I didn't make it by Art Murray when I was in town over the weekend either.  A little breeze would help dry it out.  Probably have a wet outfield though.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 25, 2008, 06:42:37 pm
Too bad the Scots couldn't have had a home game today.  Art Murray would have been a launching pad with all this wind.  I drove by the field today and the team was out practicing.  The flag out in center field was blowing straight out!  Routine flys would have been making their way over the fence today!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 26, 2008, 07:40:43 am
Not sure how many of you Wooster fans read the DR, but there was an article in today's paper about the spring trip, Marietta game, and sort of a spring wrap up.  There was even mention of a successful sac. bunt.

http://www.the-daily-record.com/news/article/3526532
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 26, 2008, 10:27:43 am
I rarely buy the Daily Record, choosing instead to read the free online version.  There is the beginning of an article there today, which I can't read because I'm not an online subscriber, that is really confusing me.  Can anyone make me understand this:

"Pioneers drop Scots on big return In its first action following a highly successful spring trip, the College of Wooster visited Marietta College in southern Ohio. The Pioneers used a big day at the plate, and two solid performances on the mound to sweep..."

That's all I can read, the rest is locked to those who don't pay.  Wooster didn't by chance change their schedule again and play Marietta last night, did they?  There is nothing on the Scots own site regarding this.  Has the Daily Record gone crazy?  Not a long leap for them... 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 26, 2008, 02:43:11 pm
I rarely buy the Daily Record, choosing instead to read the free online version.  There is the beginning of an article there today, which I can't read because I'm not an online subscriber, that is really confusing me.  Can anyone make me understand this:

"Pioneers drop Scots on big return In its first action following a highly successful spring trip, the College of Wooster visited Marietta College in southern Ohio. The Pioneers used a big day at the plate, and two solid performances on the mound to sweep..."

That's all I can read, the rest is locked to those who don't pay.  Wooster didn't by chance change their schedule again and play Marietta last night, did they?  There is nothing on the Scots own site regarding this.  Has the Daily Record gone crazy?  Not a long leap for them... 

All I read is the free part as well as I am not a subscriber.  As far as "The Pioneers Drop Scots" article, it was the softball team that was swept.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 26, 2008, 05:47:38 pm
I've been listenning to the Wooster/Marietta game online and it sounds like Wooster is going to use a few different pitchers today Trappuzano, Barnes, Sampson, etc (probably really smart with all the games coming up this weekend).  Marietta has Baumler on the hill, and he's been very promising so far, coming back from his arm surgery.

At the end of 4 innings:

Wooster - 2
Marietta - 0
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 26, 2008, 06:26:04 pm
I've been listenning to the Wooster/Marietta game online and it sounds like Wooster is going to use a few different pitchers today Trappuzano, Barnes, Sampson, etc (probably really smart with all the games coming up this weekend).  Marietta has Baumler on the hill, and he's been very promising so far, coming back from his arm surgery.

At the end of 4 innings:

Wooster - 2
Marietta - 0

a few homeruns later (the wind is blowing out and Wooster has 3 on the day) and they now lead 6-0 in the bottom of the 6th.  Samson is now in the game; I'm guessing he'll throw 2 innings.

Pitching
So far for Wooster: Trapuzzano went 2, Barnes went 3, and now Samson in.
For Marietta: Baumler went 5, Eschbaugh has gone 1 and is still in the game.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 26, 2008, 06:38:34 pm
Samson struggled with his control in the 6th, and after walking Piconke he got behind a few hitters and Marietta closed the gap scoring 4 runs on 3 base hits and 2 walks.

end of the 6th:

Wooster - 6
Marietta - 4
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 26, 2008, 07:06:46 pm
The teams both scored 2 runs in the 7th.  No matter how this one ends it is safe to say that Marietta's spring trip isn't a true testament to how they will fare this season.  Wooster is obvioulsy a very good team, but if Marietta can get their pitching together they could do some damage before things are said and done this year in the OAC, and hopefully the Regionals.  Best of luck to Wooster this year.

end of 7:

Wooster - 8
Marietta - 6

pitching:
Wooster: Trapuzzano (2), Barnes (3), Samson (1), Degrand (1)
Marietta: Baumler (5), Eschbaugh (2)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 26, 2008, 07:20:59 pm
Wooster loads the bases with NO outs and Marietta gets out of it.  very weird play.  Bases loaded.....ground ball to thrid, third baseman comes home to get the force out, then the catcher throws to first but not in time; the runnner who was on second tries to come around the socre and is thrown out at home by the 1st baseman.  your typical 5-2-3-2 double play.  Then Stewart comes in a strikes out the final batter.

in the middle of the 8th:

Wooster - 8
Marietta - 6

Warren is in the game now for Wooster.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 26, 2008, 07:27:10 pm
Marietta gets one back on a solo shot by Cribbins.  Turned in to a GREAT game by both sides tonight.

end of the 8th:

Wooster - 8
Marietta - 7

pitching:
Wooster: Trapuzzano (2), Barnes (3), Samson (1), Degrand (1), Warren (1) and still in the game
Marietta: Baumler (5), Eschbaugh (1), Levins (1.2), Stewat (.1) and still in the game
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 26, 2008, 07:32:53 pm
Wooster went down in order in the ninth.  Stewart looking very good for Marietta. 

Miller is in the game for Wooster, trying for his 7th save on the year.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 26, 2008, 07:39:58 pm
Mahley - k (1 out)
Piconke - reached on error by third baseman, advanced to 2nd
Merryman - grounded out to SS (2 out), Piconke moved to 3rd
Cimino - k (3 outs)

Very good game.  Wooster wins 8-7, but Marietta showed some good stuff.  Wooster played well to hold on for the win.

It will be very interesting to see if Marietta can reach the regionals and face the Scots again.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 26, 2008, 07:42:51 pm
Mahley - k (1 out)
Piconke - reached on error by third baseman, advanced to 2nd
Merryman - grounded out to SS (2 out), Piconke moved to 3rd
Cimino - k (3 outs)

Very good game.  Wooster wins 8-7, but Marietta showed some good stuff.  Wooster played well to hold on for the win.

It will be very interesting to see if Marietta can reach the regionals and face the Scots again.

It was a good game.

I don't think that you count out Marietta.  They will be tough in conference.  The last year they won it, they did not start well and almost were not in the regional tournament but were winning when it really mattered.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 26, 2008, 08:03:13 pm
Sounds like Wooster still is not running the bases well.  I did listen to an inning or two at the beginning and caught a bunt base hit by Karpen which is encouraging.

I don't doubt for a minute that Marietta will have a good season and continue to improve.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 26, 2008, 08:43:48 pm
Mideastfan, It's very refreshing to find a Etta fan that is willing to give credit to the team from the north. I'm sure it was a great game and both teams competed hard. I wish all the best for Marietta  and Wooster in their seasons and it would be great for the teams to meet again in the regionals.
   
 DIII baseball in Ohio is one of the toughest in the country.             
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 26, 2008, 09:11:39 pm
Greetings all.  I'm an OAC guy, so this is my first trip over this way.  The banter regarding the Wooster/Etta game got me thinking.  I wish there was a way that when the new Huntington Park opens in Columbus that Otterbein could host a weekend there and have Etta, Wooster and another team play (possibly OWU or Denison).  Just have each team play once a day against a non-conference team.  Obviously this would be basically impossible with the conference scheduling, but from my selfish fan aspect it would be great.  My pipedream and I will go back to work now... 

p.s. Thanks for the updates mideast.       
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 26, 2008, 09:27:02 pm
Greetings all.  I'm an OAC guy, so this is my first trip over this way.  The banter regarding the Wooster/Etta game got me thinking.  I wish there was a way that when the new Huntington Park opens in Columbus that Otterbein could host a weekend there and have Etta, Wooster and another team play (possibly OWU or Denison).  Just have each team play once a day against a non-conference team.  Obviously this would be basically impossible with the conference scheduling, but from my selfish fan aspect it would be great.  My pipedream and I will go back to work now... 

p.s. Thanks for the updates mideast.       


I think that would be great.  Of course I'm a Wooster fan living in Columbus so I rarely get to see the Scots play. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 26, 2008, 09:38:10 pm
Greetings all.  I'm an OAC guy, so this is my first trip over this way.  The banter regarding the Wooster/Etta game got me thinking.  I wish there was a way that when the new Huntington Park opens in Columbus that Otterbein could host a weekend there and have Etta, Wooster and another team play (possibly OWU or Denison).  Just have each team play once a day against a non-conference team.  Obviously this would be basically impossible with the conference scheduling, but from my selfish fan aspect it would be great.  My pipedream and I will go back to work now... 

p.s. Thanks for the updates mideast.       

Before the regionals started allowing automatic bids in 1999, your dream weekend was called the Mideast Regional.  Marietta, Wooster, Ohio Wesleyan (and usually Allegheny, Dension, Wittenberg, or Anderson) would all go head to head in the double elimination tournament.  Those years, and those teams were fun to watch.

Now with the automatic bids and the at-large selections limited, you don't always get the top 4 (or 6) teams in the region actually playing in the regional.

I think your idea is great though, and would make for a great showcase weekend!!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: lhpdiggy on March 26, 2008, 09:59:27 pm
I am an OAC guy too and I bet Etta's trip the SW will prove that there team will be there at the end of season....I say very smart move by the AD and the head coach
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: lancer98 on March 27, 2008, 10:35:08 am
I'm late to the game on this but why is Barry Craddock(sp) no longer the coach at Denison??  Any info??
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 27, 2008, 11:12:03 am
I'm late to the game on this but why is Barry Craddock(sp) no longer the coach at Denison??  Any info??

I do not know why he is no longer at Denison, but I can tell you he's now back at Wooster.  (You probably knew that.)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 27, 2008, 06:28:07 pm
I'm late to the game on this but why is Barry Craddock(sp) no longer the coach at Denison??  Any info??

I do not know why he is no longer at Denison, but I can tell you he's now back at Wooster.  (You probably knew that.)


I hope these quotes transferred over.  I'm still a rookie when it comes to this message board stuff.
Craddock was forced out by the Denison Administration over a personal matter that I do not feel is appropriate to mention publically on this board.  The issue occured in 2006 or early '07 (before the season) and Craddock remained as coach of the Big Red through all of last season despite the occurence.  My sources tell me a disgruntled player and his parent then took the matter to the Dension Admin. and the force out resulted.  A sad situation if the story is indeed fact.  Craddock is very much respected as a coach by this particular poster and I hope he gets another shot as a head coach next season or even finds work at a higher level.  What he accomplished at Denison is what every lower-middle range program in the midwest would love to see happen to their program.

I've been sitting on this information for several months out of respect to Coach Craddock and my source hoping that the curiosity would go away but the interested baseball fans that you all are have brought the question back to topic.  Hopefully enough time has now passed and the issue is not as sensitive now as last fall.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 27, 2008, 06:35:45 pm
On to this week's baseball games.
Wabash College gets spanked by Illinois Wesleyan yesterday 8-0.  IWU is the defending reg. season champs in the very tough CCIW.  They received preseason rankings but fell out of the top 25 last week.
Wasn't at the game so I'm just wondering if Wabash had a letdown after their impressive NCAC opening 3 out of 4 against OWU or if the competition level between the NCAC and CCIW is that vast.  The latter point is hard to argue as NCAC-CCIW matchups are few and far between.  Probably easier to compare NCAC-OAC-HCAC.  Thoughts?

Wabash is scheduled for a 4 game set this weekend with Case Western.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 27, 2008, 06:41:21 pm
I'm late to the game on this but why is Barry Craddock(sp) no longer the coach at Denison??  Any info??

I do not know why he is no longer at Denison, but I can tell you he's now back at Wooster.  (You probably knew that.)


I hope these quotes transferred over.  I'm still a rookie when it comes to this message board stuff.
Craddock was forced out by the Denison Administration over a personal matter that I do not feel is appropriate to mention publically on this board.  The issue occured in 2006 or early '07 (before the season) and Craddock remained as coach of the Big Red through all of last season despite the occurence.  My sources tell me a disgruntled player and his parent then took the matter to the Dension Admin. and the force out resulted.  A sad situation if the story is indeed fact.  Craddock is very much respected as a coach by this particular poster and I hope he gets another shot as a head coach next season or even finds work at a higher level.  What he accomplished at Denison is what every lower-middle range program in the midwest would love to see happen to their program.

I've been sitting on this information for several months out of respect to Coach Craddock and my source hoping that the curiosity would go away but the interested baseball fans that you all are have brought the question back to topic.  Hopefully enough time has now passed and the issue is not as sensitive now as last fall.



I thought Craddock's departure from Denison was strange.  I didn't understand why a younger, successful coache suddenly left.  I must say a tiny part of me thought that he may have returned to Wooster to be coach Pettorini's successor when the time came. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 27, 2008, 11:13:46 pm
A disappointing performance from Wooster today, on all counts.  Their pitchers were, for the most part, very ineffective; they didn't swing the bats well; and they made four errors.  Now I know these weren't the frontline Wooster hurlers, but still, the Scots in no way resembled anything close to a nationally-ranked team.

They came back from Florida with an exemplary record, but you really have to wonder.  Their highly-touted pitching now has an E.R.A. of 3.73, which is miles higher than last season's 2.51.  If you remove Mark Miller's terrific 19 and 2/3 innings, in which he has yet to give up an earned run, the Scots' E.R.A. jumps to 4.31.  They are fielding only .949.  Wooster is going to have to seriously improve if they want to get any further into the tournament then they did last year. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 28, 2008, 08:57:07 am
2 HBP's, 7 walks, and 4 errors = a loss. I know they threw their young guys but you still have to throw strikes and pitch ahead in the count. As far as the 4 errors, typical Wooster defense.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: lancer98 on March 28, 2008, 02:43:44 pm
I'm late to the game on this but why is Barry Craddock(sp) no longer the coach at Denison??  Any info??

I do not know why he is no longer at Denison, but I can tell you he's now back at Wooster.  (You probably knew that.)


I hope these quotes transferred over.  I'm still a rookie when it comes to this message board stuff.
Craddock was forced out by the Denison Administration over a personal matter that I do not feel is appropriate to mention publically on this board.  The issue occured in 2006 or early '07 (before the season) and Craddock remained as coach of the Big Red through all of last season despite the occurence.  My sources tell me a disgruntled player and his parent then took the matter to the Dension Admin. and the force out resulted.  A sad situation if the story is indeed fact.  Craddock is very much respected as a coach by this particular poster and I hope he gets another shot as a head coach next season or even finds work at a higher level.  What he accomplished at Denison is what every lower-middle range program in the midwest would love to see happen to their program.

I've been sitting on this information for several months out of respect to Coach Craddock and my source hoping that the curiosity would go away but the interested baseball fans that you all are have brought the question back to topic.  Hopefully enough time has now passed and the issue is not as sensitive now as last fall.

I thought it was strange given the success he had.  I knew he wouldn't leave a head coaching job at Denison to return to Wooster unless there was something fishy going on.

I just wanted to know if he left on his terms or the schools.  By the sounds of your post it was the schools.

I would be interested to know why though???  But then again there are laws about started rumors on the message boards....... ;) ;)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 28, 2008, 05:42:15 pm
After a quick look at the season stats, Woo's leadoff hitter and clean-up hitter are putting up Dave Kingman like stats as far as strikeouts. Clean-up hitter , maybe you can deal with strikeouts. Leadoff hitter needs to know how to get on base. If I'm the coach, I move him to the 6th or 7th hole.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 29, 2008, 11:45:38 am
I don't know if anyone noticed, but as I was browsing the OAC board yesterday, I came across some good news.  Apparently, the NCAC Baseball board wasn't the only place that Spence made himself a nuisance.  This was a quote from Pat Coleman over on the OAC Football board:

Sorry -- sometimes trolls do get an upper hand when I'm away at the Final Four. Thanks to the person who reported the posts to the moderator, finally, today.

Don't forget to use that link in the corner when necessary.
In other words, the all knowing one has been suspended of his posting privileges yet again! ;D
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 29, 2008, 04:49:21 pm
Wooster gets the Saturday sweep in two well pitched ballgames by both Wooster and Kenyon.  Wooster took the opener 2-1 with Samson getting the win and Miller notching his 8th save of the season.  With that save, Miller, who is only a sophomore, ties the career saves record at Wooster at 16.

In the nightcap, Anthony Trapuzzano had a no hitter through 6 innings of work and was really cruising.  Wooster held a 2-0 lead.  So, you would have thought that Pettorini would give Trap an opportunity to complete his no-no.  At the very least, he could have left him on a short leash.  But, Pettorini didn't even give him the chance.  Maybe Trap didn't have anything left, but I highly doubt he chose to not at least have a chance at finishing off his no-no.  Miller subsequently came in and on his 1st pitch gave up the no-no.  He did regroup to finish off his 9th save which not only breaks the single season mark for saves, but he is now the Scots all-time saves leader in just over one and a half seasons! :o  Congrats to Miller on a great start to your young career!

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 30, 2008, 08:25:33 pm
Allegheny split with Marietta today to move to 3-9.  Please forgive me if this has been discussed already, but what the heck happened to Allegheny?  When I was in school in the late 90's/early 00's they were outstanding.       
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 30, 2008, 10:00:05 pm
Wooster remains perfect in NCAC play completing the weekend sweep of Kenyon by the scores of 10-5 and 15-6!  The offense was showcased today after yesterday's pitching duels. 

Wooster now has a stranglehold on the NCAC East.  They're 8-0 with two 4 game series remaining vs. Hiram and Oberlin.  Kenyon had been 2nd in the conference having taken 3 of 4 from Hiram, but they drop to 3-5 after being swept by Wooster. 

Oberlin and Hiram's 4 game series were a wash due to Hiram's field being unplayable.


Allegheny split with Marietta today to move to 3-9.  Please forgive me if this has been discussed already, but what the heck happened to Allegheny?  When I was in school in the late 90's/early 00's they were outstanding.       
It's hard to tell.  Allegheny used have a fairly strong athletics program.  Their football team was winning NCAC Championships and even a National Championship in the early to mid 90's.  Their basketball program was also competitive during that time period.  And, like you said, the Gators were also pretty good on the diamond.  They used to be Wooster's main rival along with OWU in the NCAC.  It's really hard to explain Allegheny's decline in all of these programs over the last few years.  It would be nice for the NCAC for the Gators to get back to their levels of competitiveness they had in the '90's.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on March 31, 2008, 02:29:46 am
The NCAC ought to, at the very least, offer some harsh words to the Hiram athletic department.  On a weekend when not a drop of rain fell, and every other school had no problem playing their ballgames, Hiram was unable to do so.  Their baseball facility, even when playable, is barely up to poor high school standards.  It's no wonder their program on the field is so poor, when the field itself leads the way.   
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 31, 2008, 09:32:54 am
Seeing as how the NCAC Baseball page seems a little behind, I thought I would take the time to update the standings out west.  Things in the East seem to be pretty clear, but that isn't the case out west.

Denison and OWU split their 4 game series over the weekend.  With the split, Denison dropped to 6-2 in the NCAC-west.  OWU improved to 3-5.  Wabash had a 4 game non-conference affair with Case.  Their only conference action was when they took 3 of 4 vs. OWU.  They sit in 2nd out west with a 3-1 record.  Things might clear up a little next weekend when Wabash hosts Denison for 4.  Witt is bringing up the rear BTW.  They are currently just 1-5! ;D  The EC is 1-1.  They split their DH with Witt on Saturday and Sunday's DH was ppd.

There's still a lot of baseball to be played out west, but it looks like a 3 horse race for the 2 spots available for the NCAC Tournament.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 31, 2008, 10:34:09 pm
Thanks for the NCAC West recap Scottsfan.

For the record, Wabash took 3 of 4 from Case this weekend to improve to 13-9.
To say the 4 game affair with Denison this weekend is huge may be an understatement.  This is the biggest series in Wabash Baseball history since joining the conference.  I hope the boys are ready to represent.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 01, 2008, 10:23:02 am
I'm not familiar with the history of the NCAC baseball East/West divisions. Was the conference always divided in this fashion?

I'm just throwing this out there for some opinions. I propose all 10 teams play a 2 games series against each other and then taking the top 4 teams for the tourney. I think that would give a better sampling of the strength of the conference, plus make the season more meaningful. Example: Woo sweeps 4 game series from Allegheny and Kenyon, virtually assuring them of the top spot in the East while 3 teams in the West are still battling for playoff position.
I know the travel may be an issue but, I would like to see more competitive baseball throughout the season.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 01, 2008, 01:10:38 pm
It hasn't been that long since the split into two divisions.  I'm sure somebody knows exactly, but I'd say somewhere between 7 and 10 years?  At first, after the split, there were three-game intra-division series, now it's four.  And, I'm pretty sure that you're correct, the split was done for travel purposes.  When the split occured, Allegheny's program was strong, so the east was always a two-team race.  Now, with them falling way off, the east is pretty horrible and certainly not competitive for the first spot.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 01, 2008, 03:12:17 pm
Kenyon's program seems to be improving.  At least they are much improved from the days when Wooster and Allegheny dominated the East.  Last weekend, that Saturday DH could have gone either way.  Wooster just managed a couple more timely hits than the Lords did.  And on Sunday, the lack of depth shown in a big way for Kenyon.

Personally, I would rather see something like old scot described where every team played 2 game sets like they do in the OAC.  Rotate the home and away season by season like in football.  I just think the 4 game series are too predictable.  The other teams in the division might give Wooster one or two close games, but then Wooster's depth kicks in and they ususally end up with blowouts on Sunday.  I think this would be very benificial to a team like Wooster to prepare them better for post-season play as well.  They would be seeing better pitching from the entire conference as opposed to a couple of Kenyon's or Allegheny's best and that's about it.  But, alas.  This appears to be what we are stuck with...
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 01, 2008, 04:11:20 pm
Young baseball coach at Denison University, coaching players he played with,
has the team winning again.
 
1. in the school paper this week:  http://tinyurl.com/2laox6
 
2. and earlier in the Newark paper:  http://tinyurl.com/2uysek
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 01, 2008, 05:20:05 pm
Scotsfan, I agree. Denison seems to have a nice team, along with Wabash. O.W. has split a series with the Scots. I just think a 10 team division would give the conference more credibility as far as strength of schedule.
I think Woo needs to schedule the Akrons, Kent States, Cleveland States, Ashlands, Daytons, Wright States etc. to get them playoff ready.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 03, 2008, 05:49:36 pm
After 6 innings, Wooster and Otterbein tied at 5's. Scots defense has already committed 4 errors.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 03, 2008, 06:12:12 pm
Listening to the Wooster game and some of the things that happened makes me wonder about the coaching or lack of it.
In the 7th, Woo leads off with a double. With 1 out the runner tries to steal 3rd and gets thrown out. Next batter singles. Loss of a potential run.
With 2 outs and runners on 1st and 2nd the catcher picks the runner off first base.
These mistakes reflect lack of fundamentals not being taught by the coaching staff or lack of discipline by the team.
Getting caught trying to steal 3rd while in scoring position is unacceptable. Getting picked of first with a runner in front of you is just plain stupid.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 03, 2008, 06:38:01 pm
Final from Otterbein, 7-6 Wooster win.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 03, 2008, 07:09:20 pm
Listening to the Wooster game and some of the things that happened makes me wonder about the coaching or lack of it.
In the 7th, Woo leads off with a double. With 1 out the runner tries to steal 3rd and gets thrown out. Next batter singles. Loss of a potential run.
With 2 outs and runners on 1st and 2nd the catcher picks the runner off first base.
These mistakes reflect lack of fundamentals not being taught by the coaching staff or lack of discipline by the team.
Getting caught trying to steal 3rd while in scoring position is unacceptable. Getting picked of first with a runner in front of you is just plain stupid.

While I didn't listen to the game, I have to say what you have described is a bit disturbing.  Why would you try and steal 3rd with nobody out?  If the baserunner did it on his own, I hope he got a serious ass chewing in the dugout!  If he was told to steal by Pettorini, that is just poor coaching.  At the very least, bunt the runner over!  Oh, wait.  That would require fundamentals...

It seems that ugly word, fundamentals, has reared it's ugly head yet again!  Four errors through 6 innings.  Multiple baserunning gaffs.  This is stuff you would expect to see worked out in the first week or two of the season.  But we're well over half way into the season and there seems to be no improvement being shown?!  I'm already resigning myself for another early post-season exit.  Maybe they'll surprise me, but I'm not going to raise my expectations...
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 04, 2008, 02:25:11 pm
I'm already resigning myself for another early post-season exit.  Maybe they'll surprise me, but I'm not going to raise my expectations...

It must be rough....making the NCAA tournament every single year.   ::)

I'm sure there are some other teams that would love the opportunity if Wooster wants to decline the invitation and let somebody else try it out. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 04, 2008, 05:13:39 pm
Being a fan of the now-lowly Giants, I was watching them earlier today in Milwaukee against the Brewers.  The Giants' starter was Jonathan Sanchez, and at one point one of the announcers mentioned that he had been a legendary NAIA pitcher, having thrown four no-hitters.  Then they said that Ohio Dominican had been his school, where he pitched for four years before being drafted in 2004.  Knowing that Wooster had been playing ODU back in those days, I checked the Scots statistical archive.  Sure enough, back in 2002 Sanchez went eight innings to down Wooster, 5-4, ending their winning streak at sixteen in a row.

http://athletics.wooster.edu/base/boxes/2001/ohiodominican.php
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 04, 2008, 07:23:10 pm
W.B., it could be worse, you could be a Pirate fan. Fifteen straight years of less than .500 baseball.
The last time they made the playoffs or had a winning record was 1992. Barry Bonds final year as a Bucco, pre-roids era.( not hemorrhoids)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 05, 2008, 09:41:15 am
W.B., it could be worse, you could be a Pirate fan. Fifteen straight years of less than .500 baseball.
The last time they made the playoffs or had a winning record was 1992. Barry Bonds final year as a Bucco, pre-roids era.( not hemorrhoids)
I didn't know there were still Pirate fans out there!  ;)  :D  At least the Pirates have been able to celebrate a World Series champion in the last oh, I don't know, 100 years or so...  Being a cubs fan, I'm beginning to wonder when next year will be now...
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 05, 2008, 03:50:20 pm
Wabash hits a walk-off HR in the bottom of the 10th to down Denison in game 1.  The NCAC-West race has just gotten white-hot!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 05, 2008, 05:43:00 pm
Denison turns a 6-4-3 DP in the bottom of the 7th to gain the split with a 3-1 victory.  JD Wyborny throws a complete game one-hitter for the Big Red.

Denison moves to 7-3 in conference, Wabash is 4-2.  Same two teams tomorrow for another DH.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 06, 2008, 08:17:12 pm
Get away day in C'ville...Denison wins game 3 of the series 4-0 while Wabash closes the series with a 2-1 win to split the four game set.  Wabash has four games in Richmond next weekend. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 06, 2008, 11:54:29 pm
It's over.  After 71 consecutive victories over the Oberlin Yeoman, dating back to 1986, Wooster dropped the second game of today's doubleheader, 4-2.  Congrats to Oberlin, and may you have more luck this next time around, and produce another win over the Scots sometime before the 2030 season.

Anti-kudos, though, to your athletic department, or whoever is in charge of producing the web broadcasts and live stats that you bragged you would have for BOTH doubleheaders.  C'mon, you guys are supposed to be the flagship of academia in the NCAC.  Schools have been doing this for years now, it can't be that difficult.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 07, 2008, 08:52:22 am
It's over.  After 71 consecutive victories over the Oberlin Yeoman, dating back to 1986, Wooster dropped the second game of today's doubleheader, 4-2. 
I'll echo my congrats to the Yeomen on ending that incredible streak! 

Some food for thought...  I would wager that none of those guys playing this season for the Yeomen were even born the last time Wooster lost to Oberlin.  :)

I guess all streaks come to an end sooner or later.  Unless we're talking about the Kenyon men's swimming team and their stranglehold on the DIII championships...  :o
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 07, 2008, 09:29:09 am
Well, nothing was settled between Denison and Wabash over the weekend.  Updated NCAC West standings among the top 3:

Denison - 8-4
Wabash - 5-3
OWU     - 7-5

OWU picked up a big 4 game sweep of The EC over the weekend to put themselves right back in this race for the NCAC tournament.

Denison appears to be safe in locking up a tournament spot as they host The EC for a 4 game set the weekend of the 19th.  If they sweep the Quakers, they're in.  If they only manage to take 3 of 4, however, that still keeps OWU's hopes alive and also opens the door for Wabash to take the West.  OWU is looking like they're going to need another sweep this weekend at Witt to give themselves a shot.  One more loss and I think the Bishops odds at finishing in the top 2 go way down.

Meanwhile, Wabash still has to play 4 game sets at The EC and they host Witt the following week.  However, they are the only team that still controls it's own destiny.  If they can sweep both The EC and Witt, they win the west.  But, even if the Lil Giants manage to take just 3-4 the next two weekends, they would still finsih with just 5 losses.  And OWU already has 5 so even with a sweep of Witt, the Bishops could finish no better than a tie with Wabash in that scenario.  And OWU dropped 3 of 4 to Wabash giving the tie-breaker to Wabash.  At least that's how I would assume it would go.

All in all, the west looks like it should be a fun race to watch over the next 2 weekends to see who ends up at Granville for the NCAC Tournament.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on April 07, 2008, 09:44:25 am
The NCAC East is a more muddied picture because so many teams still have a lot of games yet to be played.  Wooster only needs one win over Hiram next weekend and one more Oberlin loss to clinch the top spot in the east.  They sit atop the standings at 11-1.  Kenyon is the only other team in the division with 12 games under their belt and they sit in 2nd at 6-6.  If Kenyon could manage a sweep at Oberlin this weekend, they would be looking pretty solid at the number 2 spot.  However, even with Allegheny only being 1-7 in conference play, they still have an outside shot at catching Kenyon.  With their remaining conference action being Oberlin and Hiram, it's not inconcievable for the Gators to go 8-0 which would leave them 9-7.  They would then have to hope for the Lords to drop more than 1 to surging Oberlin.  ;)  It's a tall order, but the Gators aren't done just yet...

Of course, Kenyon could end all of the drama by just taking 3 of 4 this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: bufordscot on April 11, 2008, 07:58:50 am
sure is quiet here since they booted Spence
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryder16 on April 11, 2008, 11:25:04 am
so what pitchers have impressed everyone the most this year, I am especially anxious to hear about the West division

I will refrain from commenting as I have only seen Wooster, Oberlin, and Kenyon
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on April 11, 2008, 06:27:15 pm
sure is quiet here since they booted Spence

lol.....someone is just asking for trouble when he returns (if he returns).

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 14, 2008, 09:50:01 am
Just my observation of Wooster's season so far.
1) Pitching staff is good but not overpowering. The top teer pitchers don't seem to be dominating the opposition and the 3 thru 6,7 have not improved like the coaching staff had thought.
2) Offense has put up some decent numbers, a pleasant surprise. I would like to see them cut down on K,s and be more selective at the plate. Thus far they seem to be getting timely hitting to win some close games.
3) Defense, average or below. Much room for improvement.

I'm not familiar with pool c bids but, I think the Scots need to win the NCAC tourney to secure a bid. If they don't fair well in their up coming games against OAC opponents, I think this will be their only avenue to the regionals.
Finally, Woo's national ranking will probably drop to the mid teens where I think they belong. Hopefully the team can pick up its game at the right time of the season. Remember, its more important how you finish the year than how you start.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on April 16, 2008, 08:18:08 pm
An update on the very competitive NCAC West race for tourney spots (from a Wabash perspective of course).

http://www2.wabash.edu/blog/sidnotes/

Wabash may have squandered a golden opportunity by only splitting the 2 games with Earlham on Monday.  A lot of work left starting with 4 against Witt this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on April 16, 2008, 09:28:42 pm
So, the west looks like this:

Wabash 6-4 (4 home against Wittenberg, 2 on the road at Earlham)
Denison 8-4 (4 home against Earlham)
Ohio Wesleyan 10-6

I'm assuming Wabash wins a tiebreaker with OWU as they took that series.  OWU and Denison split, but the Bishops outscored The Big Red 21-7, if that means anything.  Denison and Wabash split, the Big Red winning the run-differential 13-9.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 19, 2008, 02:51:40 pm
Game 1 goes to Wabash by a score of 3-1.  Mike Korfhagen goes the distance for the LGs, limiting the Tigers to just four hits.  Three more wins and Wabash enters the NCAC postseason for the first time. 

Game 2 is in the books and Wittenberg gains a Saturday split with a 5-0 win.  Witt's Tim Antil twirled a 3-hit shutout for the Tigers.  The series will conclude tomorrow with two more games at Mud Hollow.  Wabash still needs 3 wins in their remaing four games (two with Witt, two with Earlham) to qualify for the NCAC tournament.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryder16 on April 19, 2008, 06:07:06 pm
wooster wins 2 against Hiram, with neither game being close. the winds were blowing out at art murray field and both teams hitters took advantage ! congrats to the scots to being the first team to make the NCAC tourney !

I dont know if anyone was there or heard anything but one of hirams pitchers took a line drive off his throwing hand that was hit hard enough to roll nearly to the dugout after hitting him, he immediately left the game, anyone know the status of that young fella, I hope he is alright !
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 20, 2008, 04:00:35 pm
Sigh.....

(http://i26.tinypic.com/b3o3li.jpg)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 21, 2008, 06:33:56 pm
L.G.,
      A picture is worth a thousand words. Better luck in the furture. I personally would like to see the NCAC play a 2 game set beween all the confernce teams rather than having a East/West division.
       
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 23, 2008, 10:15:23 am
From the "Bad to Worse" File...Wabash remains 0 for the millenium against DePauw after being swept in a twinbill last night.  That runs Wabash's losing streak against the Tigers to an agonizing 17 games (by my count).   :(
Title: Tough love
Post by: D3 Poster on April 25, 2008, 12:12:13 am
Just reading the Woo paper and the ol' ball coach is quoted saying 'most unsatisfying 30-6 he can imagine'

I miss the Pettorini/Schaly rivalry...good baseball stuff!

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 25, 2008, 09:36:42 am
D3, I read the same article.

Pettorini sounds like he is worried that if Woo doesn't win the NCAC tourney they may not get a pool C bid to the NCAA's. I would have to agree, with regional loses to BW, OWU, and Oberlin. They also have the potential to ring up a few more L's to regional teams with their remaining schedule.

Pretty harsh words from the coach. Maybe he is trying to motivate his team?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on April 28, 2008, 09:28:50 am
Wooster splits with Hiram Sunday.

Loses to Hiram and Oberlin in the same season. Ouch, that hurts.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 02, 2008, 09:30:03 am
What has happened to all the Wooster posters?

What do tou think their chances are against OWU and the NCAC tourney?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 02, 2008, 10:10:08 am
There isn't much to say when you lose to the likes of Oberlin and Hiram.  But maybe now there's been a bit of a resurgance of spirit after the comeback win over JCU and the defeat of Ohio Northern.  We'll see soon enough.

Bubba O'Donnell has been playing some third base and has looked very good on that side of the infield.  I like that lineup, which should include John Warren at second.  Here's what I would do:

Karpen, LF - Get him to the plate often.
Sankal, CF
Skulina, 1B - Can swing the bat, but I still think his shoulder is bothering him.
Christenson, RF - Getting hot?  I hope.
Groezinger, DH
Swearingen, C - A far better OBP than anyone below him.
Warren, 2B - Limited at bats, but a pretty good stick.
Johnson, SS - Maybe coming around at the plate.
O'Donnell, 3B - Mostly a good glove, but improved at the plate.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 02, 2008, 11:54:31 am
What has happened to all the Wooster posters?

What do tou think their chances are against OWU and the NCAC tourney?
I've been laying low lately.  I guess I was taking the old addage that if you don't have anything nice to say, it's better to say nothing at all...

At least Wooster has a bit of momentum going into this weekend's series with OWU.  As far as how I think the Scots will fare, it's really hard to tell.   I really don't see one team that has a clear edge in a short series like this one.  Wooster's ERA is about a point lower than OWU's.  Wooster is batting about 80 points higher as a team and scoring a little over a run more per game as well.  Surprisingly Wooster also has almost twice as many stolen base attempts.  Defensively, both Wooster and OWU appear to be about dead even as Wooster comes in with a .954 and the Bishops are just slightly better at .958. 

IMO, if Wooster can get Samson and Trap to perform to the levels they were expected to this season, I think the Scots are in good shape.  If this goes to a decisive 3rd game, who knows what could happen. 

Even though Wooster's pitching depth isn't as good as many had hoped, I sill feel that the Scots' depth is better than OWU's.  The thing that scares me is the fact that the West appears to be much stronger than the east this year.  OWU is battle tested much moreso than Wooster IMO.  Will that play to an advantage for the Bishops?

One more question.  If Wooster fails to advance to the NCAC Finals, is their season over?  I have a hard time believing they will gain an at large bid if they lose to OWU this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 02, 2008, 05:15:07 pm
I think Woo needs to win the NCAC to get in. They have to many bad loses to regional teams and not enough quality wins to their season.

Sampson and Trapuzzano have not had All American seasons. Very average, not even close to dominating.

They way the OAC tourney pans out will have some effect on the pool C bids handed out to the NCAC.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 03, 2008, 06:10:49 pm
In the bottom of the 7th, Wooster leads OWU 14-4.

Denison beats Kenyon 15-3.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 03, 2008, 07:10:22 pm
Wooster wins game one 14-7.

DH starts Sunday at 1:00 PM. Todays action did not commence untill 3:30 PM.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 04, 2008, 07:36:42 pm
Wooster gets sweep today, 6-3 & 14-6.

I would have to say their season is over. They never showed they were a dominant team all year. The season may have produced some bright spots but overall, I fell they under achieved.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on May 04, 2008, 07:58:31 pm
congratulations to OWU and Denison on their series victories.  Gives me some solace to see the NCAC-West perform well and it shows that the division was very competitive this year.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 05, 2008, 10:59:40 am
There is one real question regarding this year’s Scot baseball team, and that is "What happened to the pitching, which was expected to be so stellar?"  Nearly every Wooster hurler fell off from his performance of last season, and in the end, that was the key to the team’s demise.

But there are other things.  As has become all to common with Scot teams, they simply cannot throw the ball around the diamond without it getting loose and producing problems.  Every year Wooster is able to outslug most of it’s opponents, but when tournament time arrives and the calibre of the opposition rises, the Scots' mediocre defense begins to take its toll.

And then there are the coaching decisions, decisions in which the situation was completely over-analyzed instead of just letting the player swing the bat. 

Game one, fourth inning: A suicide squeeze, on the first pitch, with the bases loaded and Wooster down two runs?  Unbelievable!  Then, when the hitter doesn’t make contact on a pitch that was high and a foot outside (the runner, of course, being out at the plate by a mile) the coach states that the hitter didn’t execute?  Man.

Game one, fifth inning: Pinch-hitting for the number-three hitter in the fifth inning, to BUNT, in a clutch situation?  This was your three-hitter (I don’t think he should have been, but that’s another story); if he wasn’t a man that you wanted up there in that crucial spot, why did you put him there in the first place?

Game two, fourth inning: Men on first and second, nobody out.  Matthew Johnson is given the signal to bunt.  No problem, except that Wooster is down THREE runs at the time, in a game that is giving every indication that it’s going to be high scoring.  Wooster absolutely needs to play for the big inning, not TWO runs, which is what you’re doing if you bunt in that situation.  Besides, with the exception of O’Donnell, nobody on Wooster can bunt, and Johnson popped out to the catcher.

Every year in tournament time it comes down to this.  When the level of pitching improves and the Scots cannot outslug their opponent, they are in big trouble.  Their attempts at little ball fail for two reasons: they not only cannot execute (probably because not enough time is spent on this) but the plays are called at all the wrong times and instead of aiding the team only proceed to shoot them in their collective feet.  Unless this changes, and it hasn’t in years, the Scots will continue to disappoint.   
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 05, 2008, 05:37:39 pm
WB, were you at the game?

Trying to squeeze with the bases loaded makes no sense at all with the potential force out at home.

Pinch hitting for your 3 hole hitter with a bunt, no way.

I don't have a problem with trying to bunt runners into scoring position being 3 runs down in the 4th inning. The batter must execute though. I wonder how many times during the year players were called upon to make this happen? You can't just flash the sign for a SAC bunt or squeeze and expect it to happen if it wasn't practiced with conviction in pre-season.

As I have stated before, repetition is the mother of education. Without proper preparation you can't just assume it will happen.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 05, 2008, 06:05:56 pm
I was at all three Wooster-OWU games this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 05, 2008, 07:26:35 pm
WB, as I read your take on the series, Wooster failed in coaching strategies as well as preparation on fundamentals?

This is only my reading into the future. Pettorini retires ether this year or next and Craddock becomes head coach. Coach P has been their long enough and I'm sure he is tired of the grind. Maybe new leadership will take Wooster to the next level with consistency.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: NCAC4Life on May 05, 2008, 09:18:30 pm
Old Scot,

Please take these words from an Old Bishop player in the way they are meant. As a former football and baseball player at OWU, I competed against Coach P in both sports. He is a good man and a great baseball coach. He has always been hard on his players and his teams have always been known for power and strong arms. Never for defense or the short game. He also has made a few trips to the College World Series and finished as high as 2nd. I loved the old match ups between our schools. It is great to see it continues.

There is a reason Coach Craddock is at Wooster today and not at Denison. Never saw an NCAC title under him for the Big Red or an NCAA bid. Be happy with what you have. The Scots have the head coach they need and I for one, hope he stays for a long time. He has brought national respect to the Wooster program and that helps the NCAC.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 05, 2008, 09:38:19 pm
coach P has definitely built a strong program, but as I've seen over the last 12 years, Wooster has had way too many REALLY GOOD teams that haven't made the World Series.  I would've guess that they would have a World Series title by now, but then again, those aren't easy to come by.

Regardless of what happens with Coach P, Wooster will be a top program in the region for years and years.

But I agree that the coaching needs to emphasize a little more fundamental baseball, and not so much on dropping the back shoulder and swinging for the fences all the time.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 05, 2008, 09:58:52 pm
NCAC4life,I would not classify someone as a great coach if they don't teach defense or the fundamentals to play small ball. I know coach P, played for him for a year.
Bob Morgan, the prior coach, ran circles around Pettorini as far as teaching the game and fundamentals. He was a stickler for drills and repeating different game situations during practices. When these situations came up in a game, all you had to do was react because we were well schooled before hand. Coach P was not even close to preparing a team like Morgan.
As far as a coach you would want to play for, I'll take coach P. He was more personable with his players and treated you with mutual respect.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 05, 2008, 10:50:13 pm
Every year in tournament time it comes down to this.  When the level of pitching improves and the Scots cannot outslug their opponent, they are in big trouble.  Their attempts at little ball fail for two reasons: they not only cannot execute (probably because not enough time is spent on this) but the plays are called at all the wrong times and instead of aiding the team only proceed to shoot them in their collective feet.  Unless this changes, and it hasn’t in years, the Scots will continue to disappoint.   

Well said WB.  This is also a result of the double edged sword of playing in the NCAC.  Wooster's record is inflated by bludgeoning their lowly conference opponents (although that didn't even happen this season).  And as a result, there are rarely situations that present Wooster the opportunity to work on small ball.  And as old scot stated that, "repetition is the mother of all education," I would argue that this applies not just to practice, but to actual game time as well.  It's one thing to execute a bunt in practice, but to do it in an actual game when the pressure is on is entirely different.  And the reality is, just how many times this season were the Scots presented with those types of situations? 

In the end, you have to wonder if Pettorini has just become so accustomed to pounding teams to oblivion, that he has slowly allowed the emphasis on small ball to diminish.  At least one thing positive has happened this season.  I never bought into this team's lofty ranking and I never really had high expectations when it came time for post-season play, so to see them bow out in the manner they did really didn't come as much of a surprise to me.  :-\
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 05, 2008, 11:06:50 pm
One last thing to add from Wooster's disappointing weekend result.  I just read the writeup in the Daily Record and the following quote stood out quite profoundly:

Quote from: Coach Pettorini in the Wooster Daily Record
"I don't think it was pressure," he said. "They just outplayed us in all phases -- they outpitched us, outhit us, out-fielded us and out-executed us."

Anyone notice one glaring omission?  How about they OUTCOACHED us.  After all,  you probably wouldn't have been outhit, out-pitched, out-fielded and out-executed if you hadn't been OUTCOACHED to begin with...
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on May 06, 2008, 11:03:24 am
congratulations to OWU and Denison on their series victories.  Gives me some solace to see the NCAC-West perform well and it shows that the division was very competitive this year.

Ditto.  These two teams split their regular season series, which was also played at Denison.  It should be a really good series in Granville this weekend. 

Here's some funny business...per the NCAC website, Wabash and Allegheny officially tie for fifth in baseball based on the divisional standings..all of this despite Wabash having posted a better record (9-7 vs. 8-8) against the stronger division.  Not that Wabash can ever possibly win the All-Sports trophy, but come on!  Every point counts!   :o
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on May 06, 2008, 11:21:01 am
And then there are the coaching decisions, decisions in which the situation was completely over-analyzed instead of just letting the player swing the bat. 

Game one, fourth inning: A suicide squeeze, on the first pitch, with the bases loaded and Wooster down two runs?  Unbelievable!  Then, when the hitter doesn’t make contact on a pitch that was high and a foot outside (the runner, of course, being out at the plate by a mile) the coach states that the hitter didn’t execute?  Man.

Baseball is a funny game.  I was always taught that when the squeeze was on, it was incumbent upon the batter to put bat on ball...no matter what.  Under no circumstance can you hang that runner out to dry.  During my playing days I remember a kid actually jumping vertically in order to put a bat on a ball that was way high with a squeeze on (he did his job...fouled the ball off and kept the runner alive).  Whether or not the squeeze should have been on in the first place is another issue altogether.  Looking at the play by play I'm inclined to say that the squeeze wasn't a good idea there.  Wooster had homered in consecutive innings, loaded the bases and seemed to have stolen the momentum...unless the coach was so convinced that the #9 hitter was going to bounce into a double play and end the inning (and if you've got that little confidence in a kid to do a little situational hitting, then what's he doing in the game in the first place?) then I think you have to let the offense work.  Looks to me like Pettorini was looking for the safest way to roll that lineup back over to the top with the bases still loaded.  If he could steal an extra run in the process, even better. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 06, 2008, 05:03:54 pm
Wally, you are correct. When the squeeze is on it is imperative that  the batter puts the ball on the ground or foul it off. Squeezing with the bases loaded makes no sense.

Point well taken to try to turn over the order but, the batter homered twice the day before. I would think his confidence level at the plate should have been high. Swing away, base hit, grand slam, or DP, I would have taken that chance.

It's easy to be an arm chair coach. Baseball is a game of percentages. I'm just saying use them to your advantage.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 06, 2008, 05:31:15 pm
I have been reading some posts on the national topics board regarding pool C bids. Many think Wooster is a lock for a pool C.
I don't think that will happen. Based on the NCAC playoffs they are the third best team in the NCAC.
I don't know when the next regional rankings come out but, I would have to place them third at best with Heidelberg and Denison above them.
When the OAC tournament plays out, I'm sure this will impact the pool C bids handed out within the Mid East. Coach P himself said he would be shocked if they get in.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on May 06, 2008, 05:42:22 pm
I agree with you, old scot.  Based on the play by play that I read and based on what I've read about Wooster through this thread, I don't think the squeeze was the right play.  Wooster doesn't sound like a "small ball" kind of team and the call to squeeze there seemed to be a call made to change things up just for the sake of changing things up.  By the time you get to tournament time, I believe you've got to go with what has gotten you to that point which, in Wooster's case, is smashing the ball all over the diamond. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 07, 2008, 08:44:20 am
By the time you get to tournament time, I believe you've got to go with what has gotten you to that point which, in Wooster's case, is smashing the ball all over the diamond. 
And this is why Wooster has struggled once they get to tournament time the past few years.  Come tournament time, you had better be able to play small ball because you will be facing arguably the best pitching you've seen all season.  Wooster doesn't really work on playing small ball throughout the regular season because the opponents they face predominantly don't warrant them doing so.  And that makes this squeeze decision even more puzzling.  That was the time to start playing small ball when suddenly you are faced with an unexpected elimination game, with the bases loaded and a guy at the plate who had homered twice the day before?  ???
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on May 07, 2008, 11:28:47 am
This is all very true.  In the tournaments, the competition is better and a team has to be able to sacrifice some outs to manufacture a run here and there.  You need to look no further than Oregon State, winners of the last two CWS titles, to see how a small ball approach can take you all the way.  Nether of the two lineups that OS put forth during their championship runs were particularly scary but what they could do is draw a walk, swipe a bag, sac a guy to third, and get a fly ball to score the run.  That's how the Beavers score...then let the pitchers and defense work.  It's definitely a much different makeup of a champion than the gorilla ball LSU teams in the 90s. 

But I digest...it's easy to second guess Pettorini about these things because they didn't work.  I think some attention should be paid to the six errors Wooster made in Sunday's doubleheader as well as the 11 walks issued.  Mediocre pitching and poor defense is as much at fault here as any play Pettorini may or may not have called.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 07, 2008, 06:20:26 pm
Wally,
       Good point. The way I see it 6 errors and 11 walks and up to 17 additional outs and 17 base runners. You know what they say regarding football, defense wins championships. I think it rings true for baseball, also.

Yes, physical mistakes will happen but, they should not be compounded by coaching errors. With 27+ years, coach P should be a rock in strategies. Like Scots Fan has stated, maybe he is to comfortable with beating his opponents into oblivion.
I knew a coach that said, " If the opportunity presents itself, I'll play for 1 run every inning. I like my chances of winning in that situation." AKA small ball works if practiced, like your reference to OSU.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 07, 2008, 08:02:42 pm
But there is also the old adage (might have been Earl Weaver) that says, "If you play for one run, you will only get one run."  Meaning, usually, there goes the hope for the big inning.

Wooster's pitching has not lived up to expectations, and that now includes everyone on the staff, even Mark Miller, who has been getting hit hard of late.  The defense has been, well, the Wooster defense.  Way too loose almost all over the field.  They just don't throw and catch the ball well, and that is such a root issue I don't even know what to say about it.

But the little-ball, coaching-decision issue is different.  First of all, over the last few years, Wooster has tried to integrate more small-ball tactics into their offense, and the idea of doing this was a good thing.  It implies that the coaching staff has recognized the necessity of having this in the arsenal at tournament time. 

They've tried to steal more bases, and for the most part, the execution and choice of when-to-go has been fine.  No problem.

It's the bunting (I almost typed bungling - Freudian slip) and hit-and-runs that have really hurt them.

Year after year, the Wooster players, with some rare exceptions, have not been good bunters.  So, even if you call upon them to do so in the right game situation, it ISN'T a good game-decision, because you're putting a man into a spot where he's probably not going to succeed.  How much they actually work on this in practice, I don't know.  But I've seen lots of other teams that are much more skilled at moving runners along than The Scots.  My conclusion: work on this, seriously, early in the season.

Wooster does much worse with the hit-and-run, which is a more complex tactic.  If you don't understand the nuances, you're better off just leaving this club out of your bag. 

What Wooster doesn't get is that the goal of setting the runner in motion is to advance him and to stay out of the double play.  Period.  Getting a base hit is gravy.  Getting an extra-base hit REALLY SHOULDN'T HAPPEN, because the hitter should be trying to keep the ball on the ground.  The Scots are not bad at hitting the ball to the right side.  But they don't hit the ball down, and have hit into lots of line drive double plays when starting the runner.  Bad luck?  Somewhat.  But luck is the residue of design, or lack of it.  You're supposed to be hitting ground balls, and when you don't, you may not get good results.

The hit-and-run play is game-situational.  Do you use it when down 3 or more runs?  No, certainly not often and with anyone who's got some power, because, as mentioned above, you should be shortening up on your swing and placing the ball, vastly reducing the chance of an extra-base hit.

The hit-and-run is also count-situational.  2-1 is good, 2-0 or 3-1 are better.  You want the pitcher to need to throw a strike so your man can get a ball to hit.  If you do it with your guy behind in the count, you'd better have a bonafide basestealer out there.

Wooster not only attempts to hit-and-run in too many wrong situations but doesn't execute well.  Much more work needs to be done in this area.

The less said about suicide squeezes the better. 
 





 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 07, 2008, 09:03:03 pm
WB,
    Playing for 1 run vs the big inning isn't very sexy but, one per inning is 9. As a coach I like my chance for a W with that number.

On the matter of bunting, maybe the players are not schooled properly on a simple technique. You need to make contact about a foot or18"in front of the plate. This gives you a larger margin of error. Cushion the ball with the bat and most importantly, bunt STRIKES.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 07, 2008, 09:44:53 pm
Yes, one per inning is nine.  So, exactly how do you implement that strategy of playing for one run an inning?  You can make a good go of it if your lead-off man gets on, but you'll be lucky if that happens 45% of the time even at the DIII level.  What if your first man makes an out and your second hitter gets to first?  Steal, sure, if he can.  But sacrificing with one out only leaves you one shot at getting the man home; not too good. 

Baseball strategy is a rolling process, based upon multitudes of factors.  That's what makes the game interesting.  Before making any decision you need to take into account your team's personnel and their abilities, the score, the number of outs, all that stuff and much more.  If you go into each inning with a pre-plan to try to score one run you'll surely end up with fewer runs for the game than if you analyze each situation as it's put before you.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on May 07, 2008, 10:51:49 pm
Speaking of coaching and strategy, how cool is it that both the teams in the NCAC finals this week are led by young interim coaches, Tyler Mott (OWU, 2004) and Justin Dedman (Denison, 2005).

OWU has nearly the same overall record it had last year. That's 27-16 overall in 2007, 26-16 overall in 2008; 13-3 in the conference last year for 1st in the West, 10-6 this year for 2nd in the West. OWU had a rough start in the conference, but the players hung in there with the new coach, and then embarrassed Wooster in the 1st round of the tournament.

Denison is much improved. That's 19-18 overall in 2007, 26-16 overall in 2008; 12-4 in the conference last year for 2nd in the West; 12-4 this year for 1st in the West. Denison got off to a hot start, with players much happier playing for a positive coach. Despite having only four seniors on the team, they easily won the West. And beat Wooster, too, splitting the two games during the season.

Good luck to both teams on Thursday (if the rain lets up) and Friday.

One of those young coaches is going to be coaching in the NCAA tournament next week!

Audio of the games is supposed to be here:

http://www.denison.edu/athletics/mens/baseball/ba_ncachome08.html

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 08, 2008, 08:15:40 am
WB,
     I guess I like to think outside the box. Yes, baseball is a situational game and your coaching techniques must adapt to your personnel at a specific moment and the situation.
My idea of playing for one run is a coaching and team philosophy. Getting a runner into scoring position does not always mean a SAC bunt. Steal, hit&run, bunt&run, force balk by the pitcher are ways to do it. I believe playing for one run starts soon as the batter makes contact. Running hard out of the box, aggressive turns at first toward second. Constantly trying to put pressure on the defense to field it cleanly or make a perfect throw. When your team get the reputation of being able to use"all the tools in the tool box" it opens up other options.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on May 08, 2008, 07:04:57 pm
Granville report: They're waiting, hoping the rain will pass. Start time was moved from 6 to 7. Now it's after 7 and it looks like they'll be waiting a while longer.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on May 08, 2008, 09:13:05 pm
Rained out tonight. Games are on for 11 a.m. Friday, according to the Denison Web site.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 09, 2008, 10:22:59 am
...and then embarrassed Wooster in the 1st round of the tournament.

Welcome to the board 75westbound. 

I just had one question for you though.  Exactly how was Wooster embarrassed by OWU in the 1st round of the tournament?  Maybe if the Bishops had swept Wooster and won each game convincingly, your argument might be valid.  But that was hardly the case.  Are you now implying that losing to OWU is embarrassing?  Because I saw two teams that were pretty evenly matched.  You have to remember that Wooster's record is a bit inflated because of the weakness of the NCAC East compared to the West.  Which, in turn, leads them to be over ranked in the DIII polls.  Put Wooster in the West and I would guess their record would not have been as good and probably more along the lines of Denison and OWU.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on May 09, 2008, 02:51:31 pm
OWU won the first game of today's possible three, 5-2. Complete-game win for Sean Speed. James Clear took the lost for Denison, also pitching a complete game.

(On the question of embarrassment, calm down. As the coach himself said, the team was outhit, outpitched, etc. How could it not be embarrassing for a team that was ranked most of the year in the top 10 in the nation to lose to an unranked opponent in its conference semifinals?)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on May 09, 2008, 04:08:40 pm
Denison wins game two, 4-2. J.D. Wyborny pitches a complete game for Denison. Xander Jones pitched eight innings for OWU.

Expected start for game three at 6 p.m.

(Pity the catchers, behind the plate for 27 innings!)


Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 09, 2008, 04:10:17 pm
I can't believe they're playing all three games in one day; I didn't even think that was allowed.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 09, 2008, 04:18:30 pm
Scots Fan,
         I agree. Embarrassed is the wrong word.

75, out played, is a more appropriate word.

Split in the first 2 games of the NCAC. Sounds like a real " battle for the crown and the bid". Good luck to both teams.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on May 09, 2008, 09:04:35 pm
OWU Battling Bishops are the conference champs, moving on to the NCAA regional in Terre Haute.

Box scores here:

http://www.denison.edu/athletics/mens/baseball/ba_ncachome08.html

Congrats to OWU and Denison on good seasons.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 10, 2008, 09:34:58 am
Congrats to OWU and Tyler Mott!!  He's done a great job in his first year, and I'm sure coach Brewer at Marietta was smiling when he heard the news.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 10, 2008, 04:21:07 pm
(On the question of embarrassment, calm down. As the coach himself said, the team was outhit, outpitched, etc. How could it not be embarrassing for a team that was ranked most of the year in the top 10 in the nation to lose to an unranked opponent in its conference semifinals?)
Again, did you miss the part where I stated that maybe, just maybe Wooster was a bit over-rated???  The polls can be wrong and obviously in the case of Wooster, they were.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on May 10, 2008, 08:43:52 pm
Sorry, ScotsFan, but I'm not interested in pursuing an argument. I know some on boards like this live for an argument that goes on and on, but it's not my thing. I come to share information and to hear information.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 10, 2008, 11:30:37 pm
Sorry, ScotsFan, but I'm not interested in pursuing an argument. I know some on boards like this live for an argument that goes on and on, but it's not my thing. I come to share information and to hear information.


Well isn't that big of you...  ::)

Perhaps then, you should avoid the inflammatory remarks like the one you made in your inaugural post...  ???
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 11, 2008, 12:37:26 am
I don't know, it sure looked like an embarrassing doubleheader loss to me, too.  It's not that losing two games to OWU is something to be embarrassed by, OWU is obviously a pretty good ballclub.  But Wooster neither played well nor was coached well; at times they looked amateurish (well, I guess they are amateurs, aren't they?) compared to the Bishops, and they SHOULD feel a bit embarrassed.  Maybe, also, hopefully, a bit angry and determined, as they head into NCAA play.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 11, 2008, 12:45:37 pm
It looks like Heidelberg has saved Woosters bacon as far as a pool C bid. With the sweep of Marietta, they made the decision almost a no- brainer now. There could always be a surprise, though.

If Woo does get a reprieve on the season, I would like to see them "play to win". In otherwords, play loose and aggressive.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 16, 2008, 09:51:19 pm
In the midst of all of the playoff action, I just wanted to congratulate Wooster's Adam Samson in garnering NCAC Pitcher of the Year and also Sean Karpen for garnering player of the year.  It was announced on the radio today during Wooster's game with RHIT as were all the Wooster players to earn 1st and 2nd team.  I can't remember offhand who they were and they don't have it up yet on the NCAC homepage yet.  I must say, I wasn't expecting a Wooster sweep, but congrats to those players nonetheless.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 16, 2008, 11:19:23 pm
OWU was also eliminated today by Eastern Conn. today by the score of 5-1.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 18, 2008, 08:34:14 am
Final thoughts on the Scot's season.
They had the season I expected. Early season rankings were based on returning pitching, which couldn't duplicate it's 07 performance. Offensively, too many holes to fill with graduation and starting underclassmen choosing not to return.

Wooster had a nice season, nothing great. Players stepped in and did well but, no one to really carry the team.
2009 season seems wide open. They loose alot to graduation. The underclassmen should be excited to compete for starting jobs. Reload or rebuild?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 18, 2008, 08:39:25 am
What is wrong with the NCAC website for baseball. It hasn't been updated since May 5th.
No championship info, no all conference teams. Very poor job done by the NCAC administrative end.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: rhitfan on May 19, 2008, 03:36:02 pm
I'm not sure the coaches should have been allowed to return after the Rose game

Here is a recap on what actually happened in the 13th inning, ejections and all:

http://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_story_137234648.html
http://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_story_137233906.html?keyword=topstory
http://www.tribstar.com/sports_columns/local_story_138233655.html

All three very interesting reads.....
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2008, 04:02:56 pm
What is wrong with the NCAC website for baseball. It hasn't been updated since May 5th.
No championship info, no all conference teams. Very poor job done by the NCAC administrative end.

The conference just e-mailed its All-Conference team this morning. Was it chosen before today?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on May 19, 2008, 06:08:16 pm
Old Scot, Although the all-conference team isn't posted on the NCAC baseball page, it is posted on the NCAC home page.

http://www.northcoast.org/

Interesting that OWU and Denison, which won the divisions, have a total of four players out of 28 on the first and second teams. Talk about coaches making the most out of the talent they have.

Wooster puts seven players on the first team, Wittenberg three, Kenyon three, OWU one, Allegheny one, Wabash one.

Four of those Wooster players are seniors.

Next year should be interesting.

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Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 20, 2008, 09:19:22 am
What is wrong with the NCAC website for baseball. It hasn't been updated since May 5th.
No championship info, no all conference teams. Very poor job done by the NCAC administrative end.

The conference just e-mailed its All-Conference team this morning. Was it chosen before today?
I'm assuming so because Ken Nemeth announced Samson and Karpen as winning Pitcher and Player of the year respectively during the radio broadcast of their game with RHIT last week at the regional.  He also named off all of the Scots that made the all-conference team.  Not sure why it took the NCAC so long to release the info.  This is how I knew that Samson and Karpen had been chosen back on the 16th.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 20, 2008, 10:04:40 am
Final thoughts on the Scot's season.
They had the season I expected. Early season rankings were based on returning pitching, which couldn't duplicate it's 07 performance. Offensively, too many holes to fill with graduation and starting underclassmen choosing not to return.

Wooster had a nice season, nothing great. Players stepped in and did well but, no one to really carry the team.

Good assessment old scot.  I have to say, the pitching is what disappointed me most about this team.  I think it was expected that the pitching staff was going to have to carry the load for a not quite as explosive Wooster offense.  I don't know whether they over-acieved in '07 or what, but the pitching staff just never attained that level of success this season. 

2009 season seems wide open. They loose alot to graduation. The underclassmen should be excited to compete for starting jobs. Reload or rebuild?

Wooster did have quite a few talented seniors they're losing to graduation.  But, does Wooster ever have to rebuild?  I'm confident that they will reload with the talent they have waiting in the wings.

From the pitching staff, Wooster is only losing one pitcher to graduation.  Granted, he's the reigning 2-time NCAC Pitcher of the Year and an All-American, but the rest of the staff comes back intact.  I would guess you'll see Mark Miller in a starting role next year to join Trapuzzano and Matt Barnes along with the a host of others that showed some potential.

As for the position players, Wooster loses 4.  Three of which made NCAC 1st Team.  And those 3 players were also among the top 5 in batting average for the Scots.  But, Wooster does return 5 players that were regulars in the starting lineup, including NCAC Player of the Year Sean Karpen. 

I'm guessing that we won't see a pre-season top 10 ranking from the pollsters for Wooster next year.  And IMO, that is a good thing.  It seems that every year Wooster comes into the season highly ranked, they always fall well short of their expectations.  Maybe next year, they can fly a bit under the radar and surprise some people come tournament time.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 20, 2008, 10:09:40 am
Interesting that OWU and Denison, which won the divisions, have a total of four players out of 28 on the first and second teams. Talk about coaches making the most out of the talent they have.
And the NCAC recognized that by naming OWU's interim head coach, Tyler Mott as the Coach of the Year.  BTW, how much longer is that interim tag going to stick with Mott?  I definitely think he proved that he can coach and he deserves to be named head coach for the Bishops.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 20, 2008, 03:45:37 pm
ScotsFan,
       I don't think Karpen will be back. His playing eligibility considers him a Jr. but, I think academically he is a Sr. I believe he sat out his Fr. year due to injury. I would be nice to have him back but, I doubt it will happen.
DIII doesn't have the luxury of DI & DII to keep a player for 5 years to play 4.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 21, 2008, 09:20:09 am
old scot,

Thanks for pointing that out.  I wasn't aware of that.  I was just going by the roster.  I always thought the roster listed you as your current year in school and not your current year of eligibility.  I remember when Tom Port was a senior, he still had a year of eligibility, but he was still listed as a senior on the roster that year.  And he was one of the rare exceptions that ended up coming back for a 5th year. 

I know what you're saying about staying the extra year at the DIII level though.  Not too many families can swing that extra 40 grand for another year of eligiblity.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on May 21, 2008, 09:46:36 am
I was going to comment on this earlier, but did anyone happen to read the articles linked from the Terre Haute Tribune Star by rhitfan?  The RHIT head coach had some pretty harsh words with regards to the Wooster baseball team:

Quote from: RHIT Head Baseball Coach, Jeff Jenkins
“They’re a good ballclub, not a lot of class, but a good ballclub. It’s not a reflection on their players, but they need someone controlling them in that situation.”

I just thought that was a pretty harsh generalization to make in such a heated contest like that one.  I'm not trying to make excuses, but there were a TON of factors that happened in that game that led to the explosion that occurred in the 13th inning.  The tension of having an elimination game going on into the 13th inning would have been enough to put a lot of players and coaches on edge.  But factor in all of the questionalbe umpiring decisions that were made throughout the game that had coaches and players from both teams upset only added to that tension.  And the batter's interference call on Christensen resulting in the potential tying run being called out just happened to be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.  Again, I'm not trying to condone the ensuing argument, but I can't say for certain that I would have reacted much different than Pettorini in that situation.  After all, he's fighting for his players which is what I would want in my head coach.

I'm guessing we won't see any regular season matchups between these two teams anytime in the near future...  :-\
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on May 21, 2008, 10:27:40 pm
Personally, I can't believe Pettorini lasted until the 13th inning to get ejected. I would think throwing the rule book into the dugout in the 6th would warrant getting tossed.

It sounds like the umpires never had control of the game and second guessed quite a few calls.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: NCAC4Life on May 22, 2008, 08:28:53 am
Interesting that OWU and Denison, which won the divisions, have a total of four players out of 28 on the first and second teams. Talk about coaches making the most out of the talent they have.
And the NCAC recognized that by naming OWU's interim head coach, Tyler Mott as the Coach of the Year.  BTW, how much longer is that interim tag going to stick with Mott?  I definitely think he proved that he can coach and he deserves to be named head coach for the Bishops.

ScotsFan, I think they know what they are doing down at OWU. I believe they have had a pretty good track record with hiring head coaches recently. Two NCAC titles in a row by two different head coaches. Someone knows what they are doing!
In regards to the all-NCAC teams, past history implies that the overall weakest (East) of the two divisions has historically been over represented when selecting the   all-league teams.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 22, 2008, 05:48:43 pm
I was going to comment on this earlier, but did anyone happen to read the articles linked from the Terre Haute Tribune Star by rhitfan?  The RHIT head coach had some pretty harsh words with regards to the Wooster baseball team:

Quote from: RHIT Head Baseball Coach, Jeff Jenkins
“They’re a good ballclub, not a lot of class, but a good ballclub. It’s not a reflection on their players, but they need someone controlling them in that situation.”

I just thought that was a pretty harsh generalization to make in such a heated contest like that one.  I'm not trying to make excuses, but there were a TON of factors that happened in that game that led to the explosion that occurred in the 13th inning.  The tension of having an elimination game going on into the 13th inning would have been enough to put a lot of players and coaches on edge.  But factor in all of the questionalbe umpiring decisions that were made throughout the game that had coaches and players from both teams upset only added to that tension.  And the batter's interference call on Christensen resulting in the potential tying run being called out just happened to be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.  Again, I'm not trying to condone the ensuing argument, but I can't say for certain that I would have reacted much different than Pettorini in that situation.  After all, he's fighting for his players which is what I would want in my head coach.

I'm guessing we won't see any regular season matchups between these two teams anytime in the near future...  :-\

Jeff Jenkins has been around the Mideast Regional for over a decade as a member of the tournament committe, and Mideast Representative at the World Seires too.

What I'm saying is that his comments about Coach P and the Wooster program most likely don't just stem from this one incident.  He's seen the way Petorini and his teams have acted over the years, and he probably took that into consideration when making this statement.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on May 22, 2008, 09:20:49 pm
HUH??
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 22, 2008, 09:51:28 pm
^^^^ what I meant was that Jenkins has been around for a long time and has seen Petorini act, how should I say, "without a little class" a few times at the Regionals....so it was probably a preconceived opinion he already had of Coach P and the Wooster program (whether it's right or not).  Then when this game and incident happened, he commented on it in the heat of the moment.

It seems harsh, but if it's been building for many years, than to him it was probably understandable.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Puckeye on May 23, 2008, 06:46:02 pm
Sean Karpen will be back to play another season for the Scots !!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Puckeye on May 23, 2008, 06:47:19 pm
Sean Karpen (Bones) will be back to play another season for the Scots !!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: cal denison fan on May 25, 2008, 11:36:35 pm
I would like to comment on the All NCAC team. I will openly identify myself as a Denison parent. It is a shame and patently ridiculous that our team could win the west division (widely acknowledged as the stronger side of the bracket) and get only 1 second team selection. I have never seen anything like this and it is an injustice to our players and coaches. As an example I would offer Park Smith, who hit over .400 and was an absolute stalwart fielding first baseman. How could he possible be only honorable mention. James Clear absolutely is among the top eight pitchers in our league.

I am not sure what happened, if this is a result of having a first year coach or if there was some axe to grind against our program, yet the coaches of our league ought to be ashamed of themselves. They have set a very poor example of doing things the right way and justice was not served! I am appalled that the league does not have more oversight of the process of selection, and believe that some kind of review should have been initiated.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 26, 2008, 05:55:39 pm
^^^^ the all-conference selection process is pretty much a bartering system.  A few coaches will battle for each other's players, while another few will battle for their group of players.  For example, Coach A will say to to Coach B "if you can vote for my guy to be on the 1st team, I'll make sure your guy is at least 2nd team." (whether the kids deserve those spots or not). It happens all over the country, and unfortunately it's just the way it is. 

Having a new coach doesn't help very much when in a room with established coaches who have established relationships with others in the league.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: cal denison fan on May 26, 2008, 06:34:07 pm
Yes, I am sure you are right. It is just hard to take when we win our side of the conference and get 1 player on the second team (who happens to be my son) while Wooster gets eight total. I just feel the coaches ought to be more mindful  and fair. It is not about them. Perhaps our conference needs to be more on top of this as well.

And yes I am sure having a first year coach was a large part of the issue, yet should it be?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on May 28, 2008, 02:05:24 am
Yes, both Denison and OWU clearly got screwed on the all-NCAC team. Smith and Clear are good examples. I'm sure others could be mentioned from several teams.

Note this: Denison's Park Smith was named to the 2008 Division III Rawlings/ABCA All-Mideast Region team. But was only honorable mention on the NCAC team. One of those is wrong.

If you look closely at the NCAC list, you'll see that the all-NCAC second team doesn't even have a first baseman. That's right, no first baseman.

It has four outfielders, including a senior from Kenyon who hit .333 with 0 home runs and 21 RBI. And a junior from Wabash who hit .333 with 2 HR and only 19 RBI. And a junior from Wittenberg who hit .318 with 2 HR and 30 RBI. I suppose one of those is the "fourth outfielder."

Meanwhile, first baseman Smith, down among the honorable mentions, hit .414 with 3 HR and 38 RBI.

And let's not forget this part: Smith also threw a no-hitter. (If one of those outfielders also threw a no-hitter, I missed it.) And twice was the NCAC player of the week.

Maybe it can be chalked up to I'll-scratch-your-backism among the coaches. That would explain why James Clear was down on the bottom of the list. You can hear the horse-trading now: Wyborny's on the second team (a very close call between Wyborny and Clear, based on the numbers), but the main thing is that they're both from the same school, and no one from Wooster is on the second team, so it's Wooster's turn. Move Clear down to honorable mention. Only one of the Denison pair (Wyborny and Clear) was going to make that second team.

Perhaps the Wooster fans here will say the choice was made purely on merit. At the time the teams were voted, Trapuzzano from Wooster did have one more win than Clear. On the other hand, Trap had a higher ERA at the time, and pitched a full 2 fewer innings per start than Clear did.

Maybe that's a good example of the choices being hard.

In Smith's case, I don't see how you make a case for moving him down to honorable mention.

I'm guessing that there's one more factor: He's a sophomore. Reputation and name recognition must make a big difference, especially in a conference where several of the coaches won't know teams in the other division. That would benefit the seniors and juniors, and Denison had only four seniors and three juniors on the entire roster. OWU had 11 seniors and five juniors. Wooster had seven seniors and four juniors.

The NCAC team is here:
http://www.northcoast.org/ba/baallncac08.pdf

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: cal denison fan on May 31, 2008, 12:23:54 pm
Thank-you westbound, you really made the case complete with a thorough analysis. I remain shocked (perhaps I shouldn't be) at the manner in which these coaches make these selections. I, of course I'm very partial to the Denison players. Just a great group of smart, hard working players. They deserve better in terms of consideration for post season honors.

You correctly pointed out that OWU got jobbed as well.  This was not an All NCAC east team, although it looks like one. Simply ridiculous! I wrote to the league' executive director about this. Have not received a reply. Not really expecting one, either! They did not even finish the last posting  summary, or player of week selections from the OWU Denison final! To me that says something as well. Somehow I wonder if this would happened if Wooster had made the final.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Fan10 on June 02, 2008, 11:23:54 am
I just want to preface this with saying that I have played in the NCAC and have been on the All NCAC teams and the All Mideast region teams, but I also know that nobody really cares about any of those honors.  They really don't mean a thing.  The only thing that really matters is who wins the tournament and who goes to the regionals.  Baseball is a TEAM sport and I don't know anyone who knows anything about baseball who is more concerned with getting recognition for a job well done then actually winning.  That is probably why Wooster gets the most votes.....because they win at least 30 games every year and play as a team rather than relying on a couple individuals to carry them.  If Denison starts to establish a streak of having great teams on a consistant basis then they will start to have more and more players get recognition, but what it all comes down to is just getting a piece of paper at your baseball banquet that says you made some made up team that nobody cares about
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: cal denison fan on June 04, 2008, 12:04:48 am
I must respectively disagree with the premise that no one cares about post season awards. The fact that we are having this conversation sufficiently makes this point. If the premise is accepted that no one cares about honors of this sort, perhaps the Hall of Fame is irrelevent. If you were to be asking the question as to whether we should care about such things (I cannnot discern that you in fact are) I believe that is a valid conversation. However if we begin with this question, it is just a short jump as to whether it really matters who wins the conference and goes on into the tournament either. And from there we can ask whether any sporting event, it's outcome, season statistics etc. has any relevence in the big scheme of things. The fact is, there is an All NCAC team nominated and voted upon by the coaches of the league.  I am, in a long honored tradition of second guessing in baseball, challenging not necessarily the selections made, but the omission of deserving Denison and OWU players. It is a leap of faith to assume that doing so confirms that one would care more about recognition than winning (they are equally unimportant or important depending on your perception) or omit one from the fraternity of those "who know anything about baseball".

Additionally, your argument (perhaps apology) that winning 30 games over multiple seasons should have any particular standing in selecting teams based on this season holds no validity or logic that I can detect. You also imply (maybe not intentionally) that Denison did not "play as a team" and therefore it's players did not deserve recognition. Turning that argument on it's head it would seem that the team that won the NCAC east (and 27 games total) on the one hand did not have good players as judged by the coaches, and did not play as a team, as implied by you. Aside from questioning standardly accepted assumptions about sports, it would call into question what constitutes a successful team. Additionally we would have to conclude that our coaching staff perhaps would be most deserving of some form of post season recognition, meaningless or not.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Fan10 on June 04, 2008, 10:45:13 am
All I am trying to say is that it is Division 3 baseball.  There are not too many media outlets or really anyone that could really care about who gets post season recognition for division 3.  It seems that the only people that really care about getting post season awards are the parents of the players so they can have something extra to brag about.  I am not saying Denison didn't have players that should have been on the NCAC team, however, there are also players from every team in the league that could state their case that they should get some type of recognition.  It has been widely accepted that the NCAC team is not really the best players in the league all the time.  It seems that the 1st team are usually the best all around players, defensive abilities included, then the 2nd team and honorable mention seem to be whoever the coaches can influence more.  Also, as far as you saying that the Denison coaching staff should receive recognition, I couldn't disagree more.  Their head coach backed his way into taking over a well established team that he had nothing to do with.  Their current head coach did not recruit any of their really good players.  I say we can start giving credit to him if Denison will have the ability to keep up 27 win seasons in another couple years once he gets his own recruits in.  Also, their current head coach learned everything from his former coach who learned everything from wooster's head coach.  Anyone can win 20+ games in the weak NCAC now with decent talent.....let's see if he has the ability to keep bringing in talent and consistently being competative like a OWU or a wooster. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on June 05, 2008, 01:27:16 am
Anyone who knows anything about the Denison situation knows how ill-informed the previous comment is.

The new coach helped recruit most of the players on this team. He wasn't the head coach in the two years before this year, but even as an assistant he was much more active and effective as a recruiter than the previous coach -- as evidenced by the much larger recruiting classes that he helped bring in. Not to mention the talent shown by the sophomores and freshmen.

This year's team was more successful on the field, and a happier bunch of guys off the field, with good reason. Ask any player or parent associated with the program.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: cal denison fan on June 05, 2008, 03:35:41 pm
I appreciate the opportunity to have this dialogue. I was being facetious in suggesting our coaches deserved post season recognition. Having said that I consider them both to be fine individuals who I am sure will become a success at whatever endeavor they indulge in.  And I hope that they will be given the opportunity to continue what they have begun at Denison.

I am sorry that my comments were not apparently transparent enough. What I was saying was in response to an earlier comment which implied that somehow our team had not played well together and I coupled this with the fact that we only had one second team, all conference selection. My attempt was to contrast this with our NCAC west first place finish  and 27 win season. Thus I facetiously concluded that if we had few good players and did not play well together (false assumptions obviously) our coaches must have coached the hell out of players in order to get those results.

And finally Westbound is correct. This years team was a success both on and off the field and from what I gathered from my son (one of four seniors) and observed myself, was an extremely close knit group that I am certain will stay friends forever, which is certainly a most important take away from their college baseball and academic experience.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Fan10 on June 05, 2008, 04:04:01 pm
My only comment on that is that Denison's program was a complete joke before Coach Cradock took over.  Denison was considered pretty much an automatic win the years I played in the NCAC and now they are one of the best teams in the conference.....which is not even close to as competetative as the NCAC used to be...but that is for another post some other time.  I am not saying that their current coach didnt do a good job this season, all I am saying is that I see him stepping into a great situation as a result of some poor judgement from the old coach.  Denison's program owes a lot to Craddock, he took them from a joke to a contender year in and year out
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on June 06, 2008, 11:27:26 am
Personally, I see the selections of the All-NCAC teams as an indirect result of the BS that is the two divisions of the NCAC!  Clearly, the West is the toughest top to bottom.  With the decline of Allegheny in the East, Wooster has a pretty easy road to winning their division every year.  Kenyon has been getting better, but they would probably finsih 3rd at best out west.  As a result of the weakness of the east, Wooster seems to pad their stats against the weaker teams in the east.  Combine that with Wooster's overall record and it's not too hard to see why they dominate the all-conference selections.  Whether its right or wrong, it is what it is...  :-\

Personally, I was quite shocked to see how many Scots made all-conference this season.  Sure they had the best conference record, but they didn't even make it to the finals of the conference tournament.  That conference final consisted of 2 teams from the West division.  That clearly shows me that the west was the better division and the all-conference team should have consisted of players predominantly from the best division.  Not players from a team that feasted on the weaker teams of the NCAC east.

What this also shows me is that the NCAC needs to get rid of this silly East/West divsion thing!  The OAC seems to do fine without needing 2 seperate divisions.  I just wish the NCAC could realize this and lose the divisions.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Fan10 on June 06, 2008, 11:51:25 am
I completely agree with Scotsfan in the aspect that Wooster is able to pad their stats playing against weaker teams in the division.  The NCAC needs to get rid of the East and West....The schools are not that far apart where they can play every school in the conference.  It seems that in past years the East was better than the west when Allegheny was a national power and now they just can't compete.  In the early 2000's it seemed to be more competative with Wooster, Allegheny, and OWU being in the top 25 of the country for several years.  With that being said, there is no way to tell if another team will emerge as a competative team in the years to come, but overall, the NCAC is just not as good as it used to be.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 07, 2008, 12:15:38 am
The OAC seems to do fine without needing 2 seperate divisions.  I just wish the NCAC could realize this and lose the divisions.

Allegheny to Wabash: 452 miles.
Wilmington to John Carroll: 211 miles.

That seems to be the longest trip in the OAC. Heidelberg/Marietta and Ohio Northern/Marietta are similar but shorter.

The conferences are the same size in numbers but not in geography.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: cal denison fan on June 07, 2008, 12:20:23 pm
Certainly the west was a better top to bottom league this year, however was certainly impressed with Kenyon. They seem to be going in the right direction. Interesting idea, perhaps with merit, about collapsing the conference. The two Indiana schools make that somewhat difficult in terms of travel.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on June 07, 2008, 06:00:28 pm
I would also like to see the NCAC discard the divisions, but as I suspect they were first installed as a money-saving device, chances of a reversal now, in today's economic climate, seem remote.

Individual awards in team sports interested me much more when I was younger, as did pro wrestling.  And, to make the leap from not caring about the all-star teams to not caring who actually wins the ballgames is, well, a leap.  A huge one.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on June 09, 2008, 08:57:10 am
The OAC seems to do fine without needing 2 seperate divisions.  I just wish the NCAC could realize this and lose the divisions.

Allegheny to Wabash: 452 miles.
Wilmington to John Carroll: 211 miles.

That seems to be the longest trip in the OAC. Heidelberg/Marietta and Ohio Northern/Marietta are similar but shorter.

The conferences are the same size in numbers but not in geography.
They make the trip over the winter for basketball.  Granted, Allegheny, Hiram, Earlham and Wabash make it a combo trip taking each other on in back to back nights.

I just think it could be pulled off much the same way.  In the OAC, each team plays the other in a single DH and they rotate the home and home season by season.  As far as the distance thing between Hiram, Allegheny, Earlham and Wabash, they could still incorporate it into one trip like they do in basketball.  The NCAC already plays back to back double headers as the league is set up now.  It wouldn't be much different than the current setup.

But, alas.  I highly doubt a couple of posters from a DIII message board will make too much of an impact on getting things changed for the NCAC baseball conference alignment...  :P
Title: 2009 schedule
Post by: 75westbound on June 09, 2008, 06:27:11 pm
The 2009 conference baseball schedule has been posted. (Probably a long time ago, but I just noticed.)

http://www.northcoast.org/pdffiles/schedules/ba09.pdf (http://www.northcoast.org/pdffiles/schedules/ba09.pdf)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Fan10 on July 14, 2008, 04:21:50 pm
Does anyone know what is going on with the interim head coaching jobs?  Will OWU and Denison hire new coaches or will they go with what they had last year?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: NCAC4Life on July 15, 2008, 10:39:32 pm
Mott is the head coach at OWU. Denison will probably keep  Deadman.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Fan10 on July 18, 2008, 09:15:46 am
I wasn't sure about OWU but I heard that Denison was interviewing for new coaches...Deadman might be out
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on July 18, 2008, 02:58:20 pm
No, Dedman* got the job for good. Not sure about Mott at OWU -- search may still be going on this fall.


* not Deadman
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on July 22, 2008, 04:29:16 pm
Denison: Dedman named head coach

http://www.denison.edu/athletics/mens/baseball/ba_dedman72108.html

Anyone hear anything about the OWU search?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: NCAC4Life on July 23, 2008, 09:15:58 am
Mott won the NCAC and went to the NCAA's. He is the head coach at OWU. No search happening!


Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on July 24, 2008, 05:39:11 pm
Mott won the NCAC and went to the NCAA's. He is the head coach at OWU. No search happening!


Not necessarily.

I just asked the AD at OWU if there will be a search, and he said:


Tyler Mott is currently coaching our baseball team.

Please watch the OWU website for any information regarding a future search for baseball.

Roger Ingles
Director of Athletics
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on July 25, 2008, 10:20:22 am
I respect that the AD has to play it close to the vest, but is there a reason Mott would NOT get the job?  He seems like a perfect fit...at least to an uneducated OAC guy!!  He's an alum, he's a central Ohio guy and he was successful in his trial run.  I feel like all of these things point to a long term hire.  Plus I would think that the combination of his youth and OWU's track record for success would be a useful tool in recruiting as well.  Sorry, you guys have to get my 2 cents over here since the OAC board is in hibernation.   
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: 75westbound on July 25, 2008, 06:10:17 pm
Yes, I assume Mott would ultimately get the job. You cite several good reasons.

But a national search is probably required under the university's rules.

It's one thing to say that he should get the job. No quarrel with that here.

But it's wrong to assume, as NCAC4Life did, "No search happening!" There may have to be a search.

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on July 26, 2008, 06:46:27 pm
Speaking of young coaches who were given a shot - I can't say enough good things about what Cory Stevens has done at Wabash in his 2 years.  Some people questioned why a national search did not take place after Tom Flynn resigned.  Now, Wabash's future is looking very stable with some recent recruiting successes and the Board of Trustees approval of a new baseball stadium that will be ready for play in 2010.  Sometimes you find a gem in your own backyard.

http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=5987
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on September 10, 2008, 10:32:13 pm
I guess I don't know anything about baseball. In the past, I have been critical of Wooster's lack of playing "small ball".
I'm watching the Rays& Sox's tonight. Bottom of 9th, Sox get the leadoff hitter on and don't bunt him to 2nd.  The next two batters make an out, fourth batter singles. Call me crazy but, if the bunt was in order GAME OVER.
Coach P, I'm sorry, you have a major league career ahead of you.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on September 11, 2008, 09:41:27 am
I guess I don't know anything about baseball. In the past, I have been critical of Wooster's lack of playing "small ball".
I'm watching the Rays& Sox's tonight. Bottom of 9th, Sox get the leadoff hitter on and don't bunt him to 2nd.  The next two batters make an out, fourth batter singles. Call me crazy but, if the bunt was in order GAME OVER.
Coach P, I'm sorry, you have a major league career ahead of you.
That's nothing.  Did you see the Rays' half of the 11th or 12th (I can't remember for sure which one)?  They had men on 1st and 2nd with NO outs.  And they didn't even ATTEMPT to bunt the runners up!  Instead, the batter hits a hard grounder to short for a tailor made 6-4-3 DP.  Sure he got the lead runner to 3rd, but now there are 2 outs!  And the next batter grounded out to 2nd!  The Rays were clearly fortunate to have still won that game!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 11, 2008, 12:21:26 pm
I think that was in the 12th.  Oh, and the aformentioned batter that grounded into the DP was hitting just a hair under .200!!  I don't get it, but I guess that's why I'm sitting in my office instead of in the dugout.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on September 11, 2008, 09:06:09 pm
If you want to watch fundamental baseball MLB is not the place. The Sox gave away the game. I didn't see any of the game after the 9th. Couldn't stay awake.

I wonder if I can get the Japanese professional league to see the game played like it should be?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on September 12, 2008, 10:17:34 am
If you want to watch fundamental baseball MLB is not the place. The Sox gave away the game. I didn't see any of the game after the 9th. Couldn't stay awake.

Good point!  I was watching the Cubs the other night and they actually tried to do the fundamentally sound thing.  In a tie game, the Cubs had the first two men reach in their half of the 7th.  Pinella called for a sac bunt to move the runners up.  Problem was, Geo Soto was the batter.  He promply laid down a hard bunt right to the pitcher who started a routine 1-4-3 double play?!  :-[

And then the Cards came through in the bottom of the 9th for the win...

Maybe that's why Maddon didn't call for the bunt in that Sox game?!   :P  ;)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on September 26, 2008, 10:48:05 pm
Who would like to see the Brewers and the Twins in the World Series?
I think it would be great for small market teams, proving that you don't have to spend on outrageous salaries to have success.
I know with the salaries being payed in MLB these teams have little chance of staying together.t
I am enjoying seeing the Yankees out and the Mets on the ropes.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on October 01, 2008, 09:08:13 pm
I guess nobody wanted to see that WS match up. Anyways, the Chi Sox put an end to that.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on October 11, 2008, 03:12:35 am
Has anyone else read 1994 Kenyon grad Dave Goodwillie's memoir, "Seemed like a good idea at the time"? I finally read it this past summer. Quite an entertaining life-so-far story.

I post this here because the book starts with a bit of Kenyon/Cincinnati Reds baseball.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on December 10, 2008, 10:28:59 pm
Wooster's schedule has been posted, although of their Florida opponents, only Allegheny is thusfar mentioned.  I'm pretty sure that they won't be playing in Port Charlotte, but rather in Winterhaven, the former home of the Indians.

A doubleheader on February 28th at Case??  Do they have a new indoor facility?

The regional tournament is listed at being in Adrian, Michigan.  That's not far beyond Toledo, maybe a three hour drive.  Better than last year.

Date Opponent (Site) Time/Result Record
Feb. 28 at Case Western Reserve (2) Noon
March 8-21 Spring Break Trip at Port Charlotte, Fla.
March 20 vs. Allegheny^* (2) Noon
March 21 vs. Allegheny^* (2) 9:00
March 28 OBERLIN* (2) 1:00
March 29 OBERLIN* (2) 1:00
April 1 MARIETTA 4:00
April 2 at Baldwin-Wallace 4:00
April 4 at Hiram* (2) 1:00
April 5 at Hiram* (2) 1:00
April 10 at Kenyon* (2) 1:00
April 11 at Kenyon* (2) 1:00
April 14 at Case Western Reserve (at Progressive Field) Noon
April 16 MUSKINGUM 4:00
April 19 PENN STATE BEHREND (2) 1:00
April 21 OTTERBEIN 4:00
April 23 at Heidelberg 4:00
April 27 at Mt. Union 4:00
April 30 at John Carroll 4:00
May 2-3 NCAC Tournament Semifinal Series TBA
May 4 at Otterbein 4:00
May 7-8 NCAC Tournament Championship Series (at Springfield, Ohio) TBA
May 13-17 NCAA Div. III Mideast Regional Tournament (at Adrian, Mich.) TBA

(2) indicates doubleheader
^ indicates games at Port Charlotte, Fla.
CAPS indicate home games at Art Murray Field
* indicates North Coast Athletic Conference East Division games
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: bufordscot on December 30, 2008, 11:59:00 am
Once again Wooster schedules a cupcake right before the Marietta game so they can rest their ace.  Wait, my names not Spence.  What's up with that?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 30, 2008, 10:53:23 pm
Once again Wooster schedules a cupcake right before the Marietta game so they can rest their ace.  Wait, my names not Spence.  What's up with that?
ROTFL!!! Nice!!!  :D
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on January 06, 2009, 07:31:58 am
Cupcake or schmuckcake, after that second doubleheader with Oberlin, Wooster has to drive 1200 miles back to Ohio from Florida.  Not only will their pitching staff be weary (not from the competition, but from throwing 28 innings in two days) but the whole squad will be.  Once again a major break for Marietta, who certainly had a hand in this scheduling somehow.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on January 20, 2009, 11:59:16 am
Is a new stadium/field for Wooster still in the plans?  I believe a few years ago it was mentioned as part of the long range plan along with a renovation of Timken Gym.  If I remember correctly the new stadium/field was not a priority.

Any new information from those "in the know?"
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 20, 2009, 07:52:33 pm
Is a new stadium/field for Wooster still in the plans?  I believe a few years ago it was mentioned as part of the long range plan along with a renovation of Timken Gym.  If I remember correctly the new stadium/field was not a priority.

Any new information from those "in the know?"
I haven't heard anything new, but from what I remember, the new PEC was going to be extended to the east towards Art Murray Field and north of Papp.  If that is the case, I would think that relocating Art Murray Field would be a must to make room for parking for the new PEC and gym. 

Original plans were to close the golf course, I'm assuming to make room for new atheltic fields for soccer, lacrosse and field hockey as well as baseball, but those have been scrapped due to alumni raising hell. 

So, the last I heard was that they were going to do a little re-design of the course closing the first 2 holes and the driving range and re-locating them to the other side of Palmer St.   I'm assuming this would be where they would re-locate Art Murray field...

The Papp is getting lights and field turf this summer, so that would solve the problem of relocating soccer, lacrosse and field hockey fields.

And the last I heard, the renovations for the new PEC were to begin in 2010.  I'm not sure if that is still the target date or not.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: fantastic50 on February 17, 2009, 06:48:53 pm
Major renovations to the PE Center (including Timken Gym) and the Lowry Center (both of which date to the 1960s) are to be a part of a large project including construction of a new Campus Center.  The new building would potentially include a 200m indoor track, a large weight/fitness area, and an Olympic size swimming pool.  The building would likely be placed in between Lowry and the PEC, connecting the two.

Some preliminary architectural-type studies are still moving forward, despite the economic slowdown.  However, the next big step would be a major capital campaign (on the order of $50-$75 million, including all of the renovations) to fund this project.  This isn't really the time to be asking alumni or corporations for money, so there is no timetable at the moment.

However, such facilities are becoming an expectation at private colleges, not just for student-athletes, but for the student body as a whole, so I fully expect this project to move forward some time in the next decade.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: DelawareCityMan on February 24, 2009, 04:41:28 pm
So with the weather turning just a little warmer these next couple of days and the team schedules all getting ready to board the buses for competition and sunshine, what say you hearld scribes as to who will finish 1-2 in the East and West, who'll come out of the Semi's and head to Springfield for the Championship........

Dang it, it's BASEBALL SEASON, so let's get after it a little.....

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on February 26, 2009, 12:25:25 pm
DC Man - Dang right it's baseball season.  Thank God.  Winter gets a little deeper under my skin each year.

Here's my outlook for the 09 NCAC Season.

West- has become much more competitive the past few years with OWU, Denison, Witt & Wabash all capable of making it to the conference final 4.  I don't know what is back for the first 3 teams on this list but I do know that Wabash has more talent returning, especially on the mound than they have had in any season in the past 10.  I got to watch a little fall action and without a doubt they are the most talented team we have had in a long time.  Will this translate to more wins and a birth in the conference tournament?  Only time will tell.  It will mean that either OWU or Denison will be leap-frogged and I'm sure neither one will take that without a fight.  I'm optimistic that it can happen however this year as the LG's took 3 out of 4 from the Bishops last year and split with Denison so they are right there, they just need to be more consistent.

East - Wooster & whoever wants the consolation prize.  Wooster's proud program is at a cross-roads in my mind.  Their national power reputation I think is starting to erode by their late season swoons in the big games the past few years.  They can come back strong and make a statement in the tourney this year or they can continue their slide to very good team (ie sure bet for post-season) but just another team when it comes to the best 50 or so teams at the end of the year.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: DelawareCityMan on February 27, 2009, 11:45:37 am
BASH...Completely agree with the Winter sinking in a little deeper each year and I think you're right about Wooster starting to loose some of their luster each year.  OWU has beaten them 5 of their last 8 meetings, taking two Playoff series from them, yet the rest of the D-III world seems to think they are still the Golden Team.  OWU wins the NCAC for a 2nd year in a row in 2008 and as an In-Region League Champ, gets shipped off to the New York D-III Region, while Wooster remains In-Region with an "At-Large" bid...That made no sense at all.

The Scotts will probably not be challenged for the Division Title, though depending on  what happens with the Allegheny series in Florida they may have a little more pressure on them the last weekend of their League Season when they travel to Kenyon for 4 games.  I wouldn't be surprised though to see it again be an All Western Division, but as for who, my only sure bet would be that it won't include Earlham.

Wabash may have alot of returnees, but Dennison, Witt, and O.W.U. have alot of unknown Freshmen in their rosters.  The "unknowns" may play a big role in shaping the West this Spring...and it's going to be a complete "toss up" as to who'll make the Playoffs between the 4 remaining ball clubs.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: DelawareCityMan on February 27, 2009, 11:48:46 am
OH, and one other thing that I'm sure will enter into the Wesleyan situation....a few days before they started their workouts, the head coaching job was posted for a search, so that could really affect the recruiting process for them for future years.  Don't know if their new coach is in any trouble, but seems like an odd time to be saying we're going to start a search to replace you...
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 01, 2009, 07:32:24 pm
Games played,....scores to report

Saturday in Birmingham, AL

Birmingham Southern 8
Wabash 2

Wabash 11
Huntingdon 7

Sundays games were snowed out .... ouch

Not a bad start against teams with 9 games under their belts and two months of outdoor practices.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 03, 2009, 01:02:21 am
Well, in all the excitement of watching the Wooster basketball team punch their ticket to the NCAA's I overlooked that the baseballers got things going this past weekend.  They split a doubleheader with Case on Saturday in Chilicothe.  Wooster dropped a 2-0 decision in the season opener.  Barnes pitched well in taking the tough loss.  The Scots rebounded in game 2 winning 6-2 with Trap picking up the win allowing just on earned run.  Disappointing to not come away with a series sweep, but encouraging by how well the starters looked in both games. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 10, 2009, 08:53:28 pm
Spring is here, baseball is back.
Just previewed the Scot's schedule and stats thus far. D.H. split with Case ugh!!
D.H. split with the Berg, O.K.
So far the offensive stats, (B.A.) seem to be pretty impressive, although, there seems to be a lack of power with no homers thru the first 5 games. Maybe Woo will learn how to manufacture runs,
I don't think Woo will be as dominate as they usually are but, that could be a good thing. Playing and winning tight games during the season can only help them if they reach the post season.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 11, 2009, 07:35:16 am
CoW swept a doubleheader yesterday beating Ohio Wesleyan 6-5 in game 1 and Charleston 19-5 in game two.  No stats available at this time.  I got both scores from the opponents web pages.  It would be nice to see the Scots get into a groove.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 12, 2009, 07:47:29 am
Wooster pitcher Matt Barnes is in the hospital after doctors discovered blood clots in his arm.  He said to be feeling better now since the swelling and discolorization has faded.  There's no indication on how long he'll be out.  In response, Wooster is going to move Miller into the starting rotation and do bullpen by committee.  I wish Matt a speedy recovery.

All box scores have been posted to Wooster's website.
Wooster was off yesterday, but play Defiance today.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 12, 2009, 07:11:45 pm
FYI. Former Wooster shortstop, John Quimby is on the roster of Otterbien. He was a very productive 2 year starter at Woo.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 12, 2009, 07:59:14 pm
It seems like there's been quite a few players leaving the program after a year or two at Wooster.  Is this something that just started recently or did I just not notice it in years past?  Perhaps this is pretty common and I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 13, 2009, 01:40:59 pm
CoW swept a doubleheader yesterday beating Ohio Wesleyan 6-5 in game 1 and Charleston 19-5 in game two.  No stats available at this time.  I got both scores from the opponents web pages.  It would be nice to see the Scots get into a groove.
I too would like to see the Scots get into a nice groove after sputtering a bit out of the gates and while I don't know if I'd call it a groove just yet, the Scots have won 4 in a row now after defeating Defiance yesterday 8-1!  :)

Wooster is averaging just under 11 runs per game over their modest 4 game win streak and allowing just under 4 runs per game!

Wooster will put their win streak on the line as they face Benedictine (IL) today and tomorrow and Lakeland on Sunday!
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 16, 2009, 01:23:11 pm
Wooster's win streak is now 7 and counting!  Wooster swept Benedictine winning 5-3 on Friday and 5-0 on Saturday.  And Wooster defeated Lakeland yesterday 7-0 for their 2nd straight shutout. 

Wooster will put their win streak on the line today as they face Carthage who is 3-0 on their young season with a win over OWU on their resume.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 17, 2009, 07:46:13 am
Make that 8 in a row for the Scots after defeating Carthage yesterday 9-5 in 11 innings.  Wooster plays Minnesota Deluth today.

They're in that "groove" alright.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 17, 2009, 11:45:06 am
They're in that "groove" alright.
:D Yes!  I would say they now qualify as being in that 'groove' as well!!!  8)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 17, 2009, 12:16:57 pm
I don't like the number of errors this team is committing.  John Warren had two errors at third yesterday and that gives him 6 on the year.  He's only batting .250 or so as well.  Hopefully he can get going too.  I'm sure he's frustrated.

Any word on how Matt Barnes is recovering?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 17, 2009, 05:46:51 pm
I don't like the number of errors this team is committing.
It's really nothing new with Wooster teams.  They currently have a fielding percentage of .951 as a team which isn't all that good.  Last year they finished the year at .952 which was good enough for 111th in DIII.   

And, when you go back to the 2000 season, the Scots have had an average feilding percentage of just .953.  They've been as good as .968 back in '02 which is also the only year they finished above .960 over that span.  And they've been as bad as .938 back in 2000.

So in reality, fielding has never been a real strong point of Wooster baseball in recent years...  ???
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 17, 2009, 05:54:09 pm
ScotsFan-

Yeah I know about their fielding woes over the years, but it still bugs me.  I guess they only have so much practice time and the majority of that time is spent in the batting cages.

Hey, they're getting the wins.  Lets keep it going.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 18, 2009, 11:12:02 am
Hey, they're getting the wins.  Lets keep it going.
That's the all important stat anyways contryroad!  8)
 
And keep it going the Scots did yesterday downing Minn-Deluth by the score of 5-3. 

Wooster is off today before taking on 16th ranked UW-Whitewater on Thursday and then they finish up their Florida trip with a 4 game set of conference games against Allegheny.  According to Allegheny's schedule, Friday's DH is to be played at the Indians' old spring training grounds at Chain of Lakes Park in Winter Haven.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: DelawareCityMan on March 19, 2009, 04:10:26 pm
O.W.U. readied itself on Wednesday with a 7-6 victory over #3 Heidelberg in Delaware, OH.  The Bishops used 5 different pitchers during the contest, 3 of which were Freshmen, giving up just 9 hits and 3 Earned Runs, while striking out 8 and allowing just 1 walk.  Freshmen James DeBiasio and Senior Logan Hronis led the 8-hit Wesleyan attack with 2 hits apiece, while Junior Steve Ruygrok had the big hit, a 3-run blast, the team's first long ball of the season.

Ohio Wesleyan will take their 6-6 record to Crawfordsville, IN on Saturday to open up NCAC play taking on the Little Giants of Wabash.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 19, 2009, 04:29:23 pm
Congrats to OWU.

The CoW was defeated today by Wisconsin Whitewater 6-5.  No box score up, but I'll be interested to see how things shook out.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 19, 2009, 05:55:48 pm
Nice win for the Bishops yesterday! 

As for Wooster, the streak had to end sometime and at least it was a respectable result to a prominent and nationally ranked program like Whitewater.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: DenisonFan on March 20, 2009, 05:17:37 pm
Denison defeats No. 1 Trinity, the defending national champs, 4-2.

http://www.denison.edu/athletics/mens/baseball/0809/ba_trinity09.html


Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: DenisonFan on March 20, 2009, 07:07:52 pm
Denison sweeps No. 1 Trinity, winning the second game 10-7.

http://www.denison.edu/athletics/index.html

Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 21, 2009, 06:31:55 am
Very well done Denison!!  The NCAC has racked up some nice wins.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 21, 2009, 07:59:10 am
Congrats to the Big Red on registering the doubleheader sweep over #1 Trinity! :)

Wooster also notched a doubleheader sweep yesterday with 13-5 and 8-3 wins over Allegheny.  Scots are now 13-3.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 21, 2009, 10:52:15 am
Very nice wins for Denison!   Wooster was the only NCAC team to not join the party of beating ranked opponents last week...

But the Scots did get off to a solid start to conference play sweeping the Gators.  They now have a DH with Allegheny today before heading back to tropical Ohio...  :P
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 21, 2009, 11:01:24 am
Nice wins for OWU & Denison this week.  The NCAC West will be very tough I'm afraid to crack the top 2.

Wabash & OWU get it all started with 4 in C-ville this weekend.

Wabash is 3-5 after having 6 full games lost to rainouts so far this spring (1 in Alabama & 5 in Texas).  They are coming off a rain-shortened 9-3 loss at Rose-Hulman on Wednesday.  With the weather issues they have had to contend with, I'm not really sure where they stack up right now for this crucial conference match up.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 21, 2009, 09:22:25 pm
Wooster concluded their spring break trip by finishing off a 4 game sweep of Allegheny to open NCAC play at 4-0! 

Matt DeGrand went the distance in the opener allowing just 2 earned runs while striking out 13 as Wooster won the opener 8-2!

In the nightcap, Mark Miller recorded a shutout in just his 2nd career start as Wooster won 5-0.   8)

Wooster finished off their southern swing with a record of 14-2 despite being without the services of staff ace Matt Barnes and their narrow loss to nationally ranked UW-Whitewater came with Wooster sitting their top 4 pitchers while resting them for their conference opening series against Allegheny. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 22, 2009, 03:51:57 pm
Is there something wrong with Trap?  I see he barely went past 2 innings in his start on Saturday.  Or did they have plans to pitch by committee?
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: BASH6-4-3 on March 22, 2009, 08:16:55 pm
Wabash & OWU split their 4 game series this weekend in Crawfordsville.
scores 5-2 (W), 12-7 (OWU), 2-1 (W), 6-4 (OWU).
The key game was game 3 where the Little Giants won in the bottom of the 10th with a walk off walk with the bases loaded.

Pretty competitive series and a good sign that the West division is going to be a dogfight to the very end.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 23, 2009, 06:00:50 am
Is there something wrong with Trap?  I see he barely went past 2 innings in his start on Saturday.  Or did they have plans to pitch by committee?

My worries about Trap were confirmed in today's Daily Record.  Trap came out due to soreness in his shoulder. 
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 23, 2009, 11:14:47 am
Wow!  First Barnes goes down with clots in his arm that they now say could put him out at least for the season and now Trap?  The #1 and #2 pitchers on the staff for Wooster are now on the shelf for who knows how long...  :-\

I guess Miller will definitely be a starter now!  And this also means that some youngsters are going to have to be called upon to step up sooner than expected!

Wabash & OWU split their 4 game series this weekend in Crawfordsville.

Pretty competitive series and a good sign that the West division is going to be a dogfight to the very end.
The NCAC West indeed looks like it is going to be a dogfight!  It should be a fun race to watch to see who emerges as the ones to beat as the spring progresses forward!  :)
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: old scot on March 23, 2009, 01:24:51 pm
It's nice to see the Scots had a very good spring trip. Offensively, it seems several underclassmen have stepped up and performed well. Keep it going! It is also encouraging to hear that Coach P is emphasising hitting the ball up the middle and to the opposite field.
Tough break to hear that the top two pitchers are experiencing arm problems. Again, this opens the door for the underclassmen to show their stuff. I hope they can take advantage of the opportunity.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 29, 2009, 10:03:29 am
Wooster sweeps Oberlin in the 1st two of a 4 game series by the scores of 9-1 and 12-2.  Matt DeGrand picked up the win in game one going 5 innings striking out 3 and walking none.  Justin McDowell picked up the win in game two going 6 innings with 7 so's and just one walk!

It will be interesting to see who gets called on today for the Scots.  I'm sure that Miller will get one of the starts.  But the 4th starter could be pitcher by committee...  Looking at the stats freshman Dan O'brien seems to be the most likely candidate as he has started 2 games and has a 2-0 record.  Sophomore Tyler Fugate is also 2-0, but he has yet to start a game.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: countyroad on March 30, 2009, 07:48:05 am
Wooster completed the 4 game sweep of Oberlin with two wins on Sunday (16-3 and 12-0).  Mark Miller pitched a no-hitter in game two.

Trap pitched 4 innings of game one.  Lets hope he's feeling a little better.  You may not be able to tell if Trap is in pain because he's such a tough kid and plays through it.
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 30, 2009, 12:48:24 pm
Wow!  Congrats to Mark Miller on the no-no!  That's the 1st Wooster no-hitter since Jon Oliver no-hit the Yeomen back in '06!  And he made the front page of d3baseball.com as well:

D3baseball.com Front Page Story!  8) (http://www.d3baseball.com/)  Of course, that's Wooster SID Hugh Howard's write-up...  :)

I'd say that Miller is adjusting to his starting role quite nicely.  He now has pitched 2 shutouts out of his first 3 starts of his carreer and improved his record to 4-0 overall on the season.  His ERA is also down to 1.19!

Wooster has now won 8 straight and 17 of their last 18 games.  They will face another test as they square off with regional rival Marietta on Wed.  Marietta is currently ranked #14 in the d3baseball Top 25 (http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2009/week-5).  But of course, we all know how unfair it's going to be because obviously, Marietta is only sending their JV team at best to go up against Wooster's starters...  :P
Title: Re: BB: NCAC: North