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Title: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 16, 2005, 12:28:10 pm
Just read the all region teams. Brookman was robbed. But then again, the teams are based on players that were submitted by the school SID. Does anyone know (goose) if CNU sends names?  

Brookman should have made at least 2nd team. I admit I do not know enough about the 1st team players.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2005, 02:31:48 pm
Blake Brookman was nominated.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2005, 12:36:43 pm
porter and rhone named all-region - i personally think that thomas was slighted, especially since ellis from m'ville was named 2nd team - i think their numbers match up very favorably, and while neither had a great game in the first round match-up, thomas certainly had a better game than ellis in a head-to-head situation - maybe ellis was nominated as a guard and thomas as a forward (although they both play the 3 spot)...there is always next year for seth
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2005, 02:56:47 pm
as everyone who reads this knows, i don't like to make statements that can't be backed up by statistics - i give you the comparison between sidney ellis (2nd team all-region), chris rhone (3rd team all-region) and seth thomas (not all-region) - no question they are all close, but i personally think thomas' numbers are better than the other 2, especially when you consider that thomas is one of the best (if not the best) defensive players in the league and routinely guarded the toughest perimeter player each night - i also think strength of schedule should factor in...it stands to reason that tougher teams are tougher to perform against, and rhone and thomas played a much tougher schedule than ellis - in his defense, i heard that ellis played most of the season hurt (and in fact, didn't start 6 of the games he played), but that doesn't matter...performance on the court does
STATELLISRHONETHOMAS
PPG15.516.915.2
FG%0.4570.3960.461
3FG%0.3220.2650.348
FT%0.7370.7220.697
RPG4.45.76.5
APG2.13.22.3
TOPG1.44.32
BLK5932
SPG2.32.11.3
TEAM W/L22-715-1220-8

lastly, if there is a head-to-head match-up where the two players guarded each other, that should come into play - rhone and thomas were rarely matched-up in their hth meetings, but from what i've heard ellis and thomas were all over each other in m'ville - here is the line  
PLAYERELLIS THOMAS
PTS67
REB510
ASST20
TO 22
BLK13
STL21
FG2-72-8


i'll let everyone make up their own mind, and i'm a bit biased, but based on statistics alone, i'll take thomas AND rhone over ellis - i'm sure ellis is a GREAT player, and very deserving of the honor, but no question thomas is just as deserving, in my opinion
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 17, 2005, 05:14:55 pm
Narch:  I am a little surprised at this from you...it has a faint CNU taint to it.  You might want to look in on the new discussion on the multiregion board about all-region/all-american selections (and spare me repeating what I posted there about statistics).

Ellis and Thomas played to a draw and I would like to have both of them on my team.  I saw Ellis for four years and have no doubt he deserves his honor....  Since I did not see all the others play, I refrained from writing a posting like yours but with a different point about Sidney getting cheated!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2005, 09:59:56 pm
doug - while i agree that stats don't always tell the whole story, how many of the all-region voters do you think watched thomas OR ellis OR rhone play to pick up the nuance of their games and notice the "little things"? most didn't...they looked at statistics and made votes based on statistics and reputation - truth be told, i'm not sure porter's "numbers" alone warrant a first team selection, but the kid is a beast who averaged a double-double for the season and had 13 in 28 games, and it helped that he was named usasac poty (as i'm sure being 2 time gsac poty helped ellis) - i'm not sure why pointing out statistical differences or similarities has a "cnu taint" to it (what DOES that mean?), but basketball is a game in which players are measured largely by statistics, like it or not - sure ellis plays in an offense that spreads the ball...so does thomas...in fact, like m'ville with 3, the monarchs had 4 players average double figure ppg this season - if you feel ellis is deserving of 1st team all-region, feel free to trumpet him...it only further enhances my claim that thomas should be on the team, 'cause there is no doubt in my mind that seth thomas is every bit the player sidney ellis is...the difference is, thomas still has a year of eligibility left, and i get to enjoy watching his game for another year :-)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 18, 2005, 12:16:03 pm
'85 - no offense to brookman, 'cause i'm a BIG fan of his game, but if the coaches who have watched him play for the last 4 years didn't think he was good enough for 1st team ALL-CONFERENCE, why should he be on an all-region team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 18, 2005, 12:19:16 pm
narch:  Maybe it is unrealistic to designate first, second, and third team all-region players when as you say the voters have not had the chance to get to see the players very much.  I saw enough of Porter and Thomas to be convinced that they are fine players.  So is Ellis.  I probably would not trade Maryville's point guard the last two years with anybody in the region but he does not get much notice except when you see his contributions in energy, tempo, and attitude to go along with what can be measured by numbers.

Maybe it is a disservice in D3 to try to cut these teams so fine.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on March 18, 2005, 01:00:18 pm
First of Second Teamers can be nominated for All-Region.  Not that Blake was slighted, I personally didnt think he would make All-Region in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 19, 2005, 12:59:59 pm
Narch - guru of hoops -  

I thought (and that is such a dangerous thing for me to do) that the All-conference was based on best 5 players, not necessarily by position (i.e first team is not made up of 2 G, 2 F, and 1 C). however, I did think that the all region was based on making up a team. Of course, maybe it is right and then you can show me that it makes my thoughts about Brookman even less logical. But hey, that's ok - I have 2 teenage kids, so I'm used to being one of THE most stupid adults in the world!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 19, 2005, 07:50:34 pm
'85 - you are right in that all-region is 2 gurards and 3 post players , but if the order they are listed in the all-conf press release indicates number of votes (i think it does), the usasac coaches felt like brookman was the 4th best guard in the conference...again, i like brookman a lot, but it's hard to argue he's among the 4 best in the region if he's just 4th best in his own conference

here is the order from the original usasac all conf. press release  

First Team:
Sam Porter – MC
Seth Thomas – MC
Chris Rhone - SU
Rodney Blackstock – GC
Roderic Carey – CNU

Second Team:
Onyie Onunaku – SU
Kenny Johnson – FC
Blake Brookman – CNU
Lenny Hall – NCW
Sterling Williams – AU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 22, 2005, 08:02:45 am
porter is named to another all-region team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Mike Roberts on March 22, 2005, 11:50:50 pm
Congrats to Trinity.  Those of us from Stevens Point who watched them play the Pointers and also saw the Final Four in Salem all agree that Trinity was the second best team in the nation.  Rochester had a nice outfit but Trinity was better.  Since the Pointers also had a good game with Southwestern, we here in Wisconsin certainly agree that Texas was underrated.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on April 11, 2005, 02:46:30 pm
a few recruiting updates...the monarchs have a verbal from a pg who has been compared to brookman and they are close to finalizing a few big men - a 6'9" athlete, a 6'7" shooter from holland (compares favorably to radmanovich) and a 6'4" wing who rebounds like a post but is built like a wing (think ron brown minus a couple of inches and with more range) - there is a 6'6" banger who is interested in transferring from a d2, but nothing official from what i hear and another 6'5" post who is looking at guilford and rmc...we'll see on him - they are also talking to a 6'2" scoring pg...no confirmation on him, but he has a former hs teammate who plays for the monarchs - it would be nice for the monarchs to haul in all of these guys and really solidify some weaknesses, but we all know that won't happen - i do feel pretty confident that there will be one or two big men that can make an impact and a pg to back up grant and eventually take over as a sophomore...we'll see in august!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2005, 09:49:33 am
rusty larue is leaving gc after just one year...interesting

story
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on April 21, 2005, 01:04:42 pm
5th coach in 6 years at GC. Stability, stability, stability!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on April 25, 2005, 10:27:41 pm
monarchs win men's president's cup, pride win women's president's cup
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on April 27, 2005, 01:10:55 pm
Congratulations to Greensboro and Methodist.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: complete package on May 18, 2005, 09:20:41 pm
GC men athletes work very hard this summer training and improving skills for a competitive up coming season! The women are holding their own. Let's step it up guys!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on June 08, 2005, 09:13:04 am
Goose, Supes, 85 -  
Heard anything about the Captains?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on June 08, 2005, 04:07:41 pm
I got nothing.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 12, 2005, 01:28:26 pm
a little off-season recruiting update for the monarchs

the pg that drew brookman comparisons is going to otterbein...tough loss

the 6'2"/195 scoring pg is going to be a monarch - he's got the potential to be a stud, but he's not a pass-first guy - shot 50% from 3 as a jr and sr - avg. 17+ ppg in a very tough conference (state runner-up last year is in this conference...he scored 36 on their pg, who is a d1 signee)

a 6'5"/210 post who led cumberland county in rebounding at about 13 rpg is coming - he averaged a double-double in the same conference that the pg above played in - the conference is loaded with scholarship players

a pass first pg who led cumberland county in assists is coming, as well - he's 6'1" and very long, but a little wiry - could be a good compliment off the bench early and develope as a starter late...maybe move the scoring pg over to the 2 eventually

these three are FIRM commits and local products - fayetteville hoops has really improved the last few years and ALWAYS produces some talent - westover hs went to the state finals where they took the only loss on the season and had 4 d1 signees (with a potential 5th & 6th in the junior class) - a few recent monarchs have been fayetteville guys (eddie lamar, elliott williams, dee jenkins, jason childers all come to mind immediately), but getting 3 in one class is really nice to see

mc has also rec'd a verbal committment from another 6'5"/210 post that the coaches saw at nc state games - he was going to a d1 on an academic scholarship, but wasn't going to play ball - he'll be a nice last minute addition if he materializes

a d2 transfer is still trying to make things happen, but has some work to do in summer school - he could be an impact player if he materializes

what's scarier for the other teams in the conference is this - thomas, grant, lee and co. are all working VERY hard this summer and improving their games - i hear that a couple of the post players (moore and williams specifically) have really improved a lot and are ready to step in and play significant minutes  

anyone else got anything?  has gc got a coach :-)?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on July 12, 2005, 04:09:52 pm
Narch,

Thanks for the update… your guys are going to be very, very good.  Just as everyone on this board expects that they will.  I hope that my Captains fare as well with CJ’s new recruits.  I have heard about a couple of guys that might be coming in.  One is a 6-9 post player and another is a PG that I heard could be a very capable replacement for Blake Brookman almost immediately.  If it were only true!  In all there are supposedly four incoming freshmen (including the two I’ve already mentioned), but I must be a lot more cautious by nature than you are because I’m not about to call any newcomer a FIRM commitment until I see him in class.  Any other Captains fans out there with added information?

Go CNU!!!  I’m ready for some hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 12, 2005, 10:29:55 pm
capt j - notice i said firm COMMITTMENT, not a done deal :-) - there are still a lot of hurdles for all of these guys, especially with the private school cost :-), but the ones i've talked about all have pretty strong ties and have done almost everything they need to do at this point - all 3 were at orientation this past weekend, and it's unlikely we'll lose any, let alone all at this point - that being said, a few years ago the monarchs lost a similar recruit a few DAYS before classes started - he would have CLEARLY been an all. conf type player (as he ended up being an all ciaa player for wssu) - in fact, that year, another local kid who had verbally committed ended up at fsu and he was all ciaa as a sr - ah...what might've been had those two become monarchs...maybe we'd be talking about 5 or 6 straight conference championships instead of 3 (going on 4 :-))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: James C. Blasingame on July 14, 2005, 07:52:34 pm
Captj, howdy from over here in Yorktown....just down the road from CNU.  Pretty sure the four frosh are attending.  Know three of these guys. The two you mentioned the PG and post are from Bethel and Grafton respectively.  The PG is just pure that, a true pass first player.  The post player is actually 6'7".   I caught all of the Grafton games last year.  He is a legit back to basket post with a nice touch from 15-18'.  He'll need to beef up a bit, but is MUCH stronger than he looks.  He more than held his own against the Woodside center during workouts for the Penisula versus Beach All Star game.  The other two I don't know as much about.  One is from Jamestown, he is a shooting guard.  Saw him play twice last year, tough kid.  The other one I do not know about, evidently he is a 6'6" shooting guard.  Also, it's rumored that Carey is not coming back, though he was only eligible for the second half of the season, that is a substantial void to fill.  I've heard they are trying to bring in a couple of transfers, but like narch said, "firm commitment" is hard to define....until the season starts.  narch I went to UNC-P back in the day when Methodist was one of our arch rivals...look forward to renewing that one again.   All the best..ball
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 14, 2005, 08:47:17 pm
jcb - i'd love for the monarchs to play your braves in a game that counts (mc has run them off the floor in scrimmages the last 4 or 5 years) - who was coaching when you played at uncp? - losing carey would be a very big blow for the capts...he's a beast
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Blasman on July 15, 2005, 06:47:18 am
Narch, good morning.  I can believe the Monarchs would run the Braves off the court with no problem.  With the success of your program and the 'Broke in disarray for a few years now--I am not surprised.  I think they've won about 4 games in three years, with an 0-fer year before last.  That's almost unheard of.  Anyway, when I was there, the legendary Lacey Gane was the Coach.  He retired my sophomore year.  He was followed by Joe Gallagher (coached with Jim Obrien at Boston) and then I believe two years later Billy Lee came in from ECU.  Coach Lee later ended up at Campbell for several years.  He left there after having the challenging task of trying to bring Campbell up to D-I level.   The current athletic director at UNC-P is Dan Kenney who was also a very successful Coach at the ‘Broke.  Surprised Coach K hasn’t taken over the program himself.  Well, on the bright side at least they have football starting in 2007.  I remember the “crackerbox” well at Methodist, tight little gym, and VERY loud.  As a matter of fact I believe Coach Gallagher was at Methodist my freshman year.  It’s looks like you guys have a really nice facility now.  I am not surprised, as you stated, that Methodist brings in a lot of local talent.  Fayetteville has some good size high schools.  Plus, Methodist is a nice school period.  Are there any plans for you guys to jump to D-II.  I’m sure the school with its locale and nice campus would be very successful.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 15, 2005, 08:28:40 am
blasman - i wondered if you played under billy lee - current mc ad, bob mcevoy was an assistant with billy lee at uncp before moving on to coach at unc greensboro and eventually wound up at mc - it's unfortunate for coach lee that campbell is finally building a true d1 facility to replace carter gym AFTER he left...he spent many years trying to convince d1 players to play in a middle school (or worse) gymnasium (with some success, i might add) - uncp certainly helped kick start the careers of many good coaches, but they're REALLY bad right now - the monarchs did lose 2 very big recruits to the braves this year...david mcclish and chris campbell were 2 that had expressed great interest in playing for the monarchs before being signed by uncp...mcclish had verbally committed - those two will be upgrades for them as they can both play and are both outstanding students - maybe the new coaching staff has your alma mater heading in the right direction

i never saw a game in the old "tin gym", but i hear it used to get VERY rowdy - mc will NEVER go scholarship (unless someone donates a TON of cash and the school goes d1), the d3 philosophy is alive, well and wholeheartedly espoused at mc
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on July 15, 2005, 01:20:57 pm
JCB-Ironic, name sounds familiar in the land of CNU. Its interesting how you know so much about the Grafton player potentially heading to CNU :-). Greensboro does have a coach, if thats who you were wondering about narch. Apparently the guy was a finalist with LaRue last year. Bryan Galuski is his name.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Blasman on July 15, 2005, 02:37:44 pm
Narch, yes I remember Coach McEvoy, along with Coach Lee and Coach Kenney they were a "CLASS" act.  We all knew Coach Lee would not be at UNC-P very long.  I ran in to him last summer at a high school tourney in Jacksonville, NC.  He hasn't changed much.  Though out of coaching, he was doing motivational speaking--imagine that!  All three were very nice men.  I don't think CNU will ever move up either.  Looks like you guys are building quite an athletic tradition in basketball.  And it's tough for D-III when a D-II school right down the road can offer a scholarship.  Though I miss the days of the old Carolinas Conference when we all played Catawba, Guilford, High Point, Francis Marion, NC Wesleyan, Atlantic Christian College and Elon.  Man I am really dating myself.  UNC-P primarily plays teams in SC and GA.  Would seem it's tough to build some "traditional" rivalries! As a matter of fact, just dawned on me, you guys have some pretty good road trips!

Goose, lol...hopefully the name will sound "more" familiar, we'll see.  A lot of work to be done!  Did not know this thing would print my whole last name!  Live and learn.  We're looking forward to Captain's basketball this year....but it may turn out to be a pretty challenging season.  As Narch referred too, you just really not sure who will show up until school starts!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 15, 2005, 11:05:15 pm
blasman - as you know, nc has a lot of scholarship schools - all the cvac, ciaa, and sac teams are serious comp for recruits (and many have serious hoops programs...pfieffer, mount olive, fsu, wssu) - mc wins it's share of recruits vs. places like lenoir-rhyne and some of the other private d2's because a lot of times they just take money they would have given anyway (in the form of need based aid) and call it athletic money, but it's hard when a public like uncp, which starts out less than 1/2 price to begin with, gives athletic $$$ - the two that uncp got would have been nice players for the monarchs...unfortunately for them, they're going to get their brains beat in as braves rather than getting fitted for a few championship rings :-) - of course, they're getting their brains beat out and not paying much, if anything, for their schooling - the peach belt is a conference that is simply too difficult for uncp to compete in, in all sports - that's a big time d2 conference - i've heard speculation that they might join the ciaa, but i just don't see that happening...they just aren't the right fit - i've also read that they may go ciaa as a football only - it will be interesting to see
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Blasman on July 16, 2005, 05:43:53 am
narch, it's amazing the number of D-II schools in NC as compared to VA.  I think we have two total, but we have SEVERAL D-III schools.  I know money is important to a lot of these kids.  But what you eluded to about "getting their brains beat out"....education is priority one, but also playing in a program that is a good fit and successful is important too.  Though I hope these kids help turn UNCP around.  I'm with you, I think UNCP needs to get out of the Peach Belt and play some local schools.  But don't think they'd fair much better with the likes of successful programs at Pfeiffer, Catawba or Methodist.  At least they would not have to travel as far! As I mentioned earlier it's been a tough few years there.  Chowan just joined the ranks of D-II also.  Not sure what conference they are going in to or why they went D-II.  I suspect they were dealing with the challenges of bringing athletes to Murfreesboro.  Tough place to recruit to (I grew up right down the road in Roanoke Rapids), plus they'll have challenges with an enrollment of only 800.  Anyway, it's a credit to the staff at Methodist for putting together a top-notch program considering all the schools that are close that they have to compete for kids against.  Didn't even mention Fayetteville State!  You guys are surrounded!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ju dont kno on July 21, 2005, 09:10:29 am
how is SU's recruiting class looking. i hear there bringing in a 5'7 pt guard. ive seen him play and hes pretty good. he works out with one of the VWC players this summer. his name is lenzie adams. from Forest park in woodbridge VA.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 23, 2005, 12:27:15 pm
Hello Narch!  I see that Methodist and Maryville are playing a home and home series this year.  This should be fun and an opportunity to learn who is any good.  Some of us Scot fans are a little uneasy as we lost a lot in Ellis and Placeres.  

It is nice to see (some) coaches schedule good quality interleague home and away series between these conferences. Any chance you'll come over to Tennessee?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 23, 2005, 10:37:49 pm
doug - little to no chance of me getting to m'ville - i will, however, be in the riddle center for the home contest...i look forward to seeing golden and co. in person - the one thing methodist has never shied away from is a strong schedule outside of conference - i look forward to the game
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Just a Fan on August 02, 2005, 11:16:53 am
I heard a rumor over the summer that Ross Mitchell from York would be playing for CNU this season. Anybody have any info on this ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Uncle Jessie on August 17, 2005, 05:08:19 pm
Any new news about a possible new basketball arena at Shenandoah in the near future?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 18, 2005, 02:16:46 pm
jaf - are you talking about this ross mitchell (http://www.shepherd.edu/2ramsweb/MITCHELL2003.html) or
this ross mitchell? (http://www.rossmitchellband.com/)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 18, 2005, 05:13:30 pm
What are everyone's preseason predictions for the USA South Conference
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 18, 2005, 05:15:33 pm
1. Methodist
2. NCW
3. CNU
3. Averrett
5. SU
6. Greensboro
7. Ferrum
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on August 18, 2005, 05:22:56 pm
I thought I read the Ross Mitchell thing in the newspaper. I know I've seen it somewhere, not sure where.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 18, 2005, 05:32:15 pm
I feel that the Monarchs should run through the conference if they stay healthy and a few of the post players step up. They have one of the best players in the conference returning in Seth Thomas as well as Eugene Grant who never gets the credit he deserves. Also, watch for Lee and Williams they made some strides late in the conference season especially Lee.

 NCW I may be giving them a little to much credit but they are young and athletic and still have Spears, Cobb, and Lenny. Plus they made a great run in the tournament so they should be hungry.

CNU/ Averrett. CNU still has Romeo and they always seem to reload. Losing Brookman hurts, plus if Carey is gone  :'(. Averrett has a great coach in Jimmy Allen if gets some players watch out they could easily contend for the Monarchs crown.
 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 18, 2005, 05:37:06 pm
SU. Still has Onyie and Lawrence in the post but no one proven at the guard spot. Losing Rhone and Purnell hurts. Rhone really meant alot and when Purnell got hot he was tough to stop.

GC and Ferrum has had to many coaching changes so it will be hard to see any consistency from them as a team but we will see on OCT 15
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 19, 2005, 11:45:07 pm
hoops hops - i like your predictions...we'll see - the monarchs should be pretty talented this year - the combo of grant/thomas/lee could be one of the most lethal back-courts in the region, especially if they take it to the next level - i'm with you on grant...he's so sound in every aspect of the game and incredibly smart - he may not get the hype because he doesn't do anything flashy, but i wouldn't trade his total game for any guard in the conference (except maybe thomas....but they're both monarchs) - if lee can play as consistently offensively as he does on the defensive end, your prediction might come true - i think the key for mc will be the post play...some guys have to step up - williams and moore have shown flashes and radmanovic HAS to reach his tremendous potential - if the post players can develop quickly, the monarchs should be alright

as an aside, i heard that grant, thomas, lee, moore and one or two other monarchs played in the chavis league this summer and  more than held their own...for those of you unfamiliar with the chavis league, here's a link (http://www.technicianonline.com/story.php?id=011884) - just a few d1 players (and occasionally former nba players) on chavis rosters
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 20, 2005, 02:49:20 pm
Narch any word on the Monarchs recruits. Also, what about the recruits for the rest of the conference
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 20, 2005, 11:39:05 pm
hops - it didn't come over from the other board, but the monarchs got 3 really nice recruits that i followed and a few that could develop in time with the right work ethic/attitude

a 6'5" post from douglas byrd who led cumberland county in rebounding - averaged a double-double in a very tough high school conference with lots of scholarship athletes - think ron brown, but maybe not as gifted offensively and maybe a bit more athletic

a 6'2"/195 combo guard from richmond senior (eugene grant's high school) - big time player...had numerous d2 offers and drew some low d1 interest, but mc was on him early and hard...having grant on our roster didn't hurt - scored 36 on the pg from westover, who is one of the best in the state - another really tough 4a conference - shot over 50% from 3 and is very physical - big and quick - could be one of the best in the conference if he keeps his head on straight, works hard, takes coaching and doesn't believe all the hype i'm writing :)

a 6'1" pg - true pass-first point from jack britt high school - led cumberland county in assists - should give good minutes backing up grant/lee - solid defender, good shooter

none of these guys should start, but all 3 should add needed depth and punch off the bench and can develop into solid starters down the road

i also heard that there is a pgm student who is a 6'5" pg who plans on playing - he wasn't really "recruited" much, but i heard during open gym at orientation he turned some heads...we'll see - there are a couple others that will push for varsity roster spots and maybe pt, but if the monarchs have to depend on any freshman, either they're BETTER than advertised, or things have gone horribly wrong :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 26, 2005, 10:09:54 am
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 26, 2005, 03:39:18 pm
Narch, that sounds interesting I've heard a little bit about the kid from Richmond he is pretty good. Hopefully he can develop and make a strong backcourt rotation of Grant, Thomas, Lee & Hairston even stronger and step up his soph and really contribute. Have you heard any rumors on the post player from Fayetteville will he be able to help fill the void of Porter and Booth.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 26, 2005, 08:59:26 pm
hairston won't be back with the monarchs this fall, but that's ok...he really didn't do anything but drive to the basket (although he did that VERY well)...you could play 3 or 4 steps off him because he couldn't shoot a bit - i think mcdonald will be a big-time upgrade as a back-up guard (1 or 2)

mcbride can play, but there is a very large void left by porter - i think realistically, that void will be filled by guys like moore and williams and radmanovich stepping up - i expect the post players to carry less of a scoring load and more of a defense and rebounding role and let the scoring load fall primarily to the perimeter trio
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 29, 2005, 12:34:21 pm
Narch, that sounds interesting sorry that Hairston won't be back your are right he can't shoot but he is very very very very quick. I think the Monarchs will be fine anyway. Hopefully someone will step up in the post. I can't wait until Oct 15 for the season to begin. Any word from the other schools CNU, SU, AU, GC, NCW,  and FC? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 31, 2005, 01:24:05 pm
Narch, I heard that Hairston was back on campus and plans on playing ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 01, 2005, 02:50:06 pm
hoopshops - i'll give you some credit...my "inside scoop" was apparently wrong...i have to confirm, but i've heard that you're right - if hairston plays, i hope he learns how to shoot and play defense - he can clearly change the tempo of a game, but i'm not a huge fan of his game - certainly nice to have from a depth standpoint, but i hope his attitude is right and that he is dedicated enough to avoid missing games like he did last year after the break between the 1st and 2nd semester
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 21, 2005, 09:19:59 am
montrell survives katrina (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=27) - interesting story about former pride player eddie montrell
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on September 28, 2005, 12:48:48 pm
CNU's schedule came out yesterday....in the words of Dickie V.....it's cupcake city!  The only exception would be VA Wesleyan....no more R-MC?  Not too excited....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on September 28, 2005, 02:39:58 pm
I don't know Swish.....while CNU has a L-O-T of home games they're a few hard ones.   The two PA teams in the Myrtle Beach tourney will be tough....plus Methodist and NC Wesleyan on any court.   Have not seen CNU's roster, but expect it to be a LOT different from last years.  I am with ya though......GO CAPS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on September 28, 2005, 03:28:43 pm
Once again, CNU’s schedule is unbelievable.  12 games before conference play starts and 10 of them are at home, including 7 in a row to start the season.  In all, 12 of 14 games at the Freeman Center to start the season.  I really hoped that after the difficulty we had with tough teams on the road last year we would try to get a little road-tougher this year. 

17 home games and 8 away on the schedule before the USASAC Tournament.  That 17-8 seems eerily similar to last year’s final record of 18-8.  Oh well, I guess from a purely spectator perspective lots of home games are nice.  Probably a rebuilding year anyway.  Can’t wait to see the new team!  Get in the gym guys!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on September 28, 2005, 03:41:39 pm
You're right captj, lots of games to attend....will be fun!  But if by the grace of God they make the tournament the lack of experience playing "away" may come back to haunt them!  Just went back and checked the schedule.....looks like the USA South Conference Final Four is at the Freeman Center also! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on September 28, 2005, 03:52:24 pm
Right, I saw that too.  We better finish high enough in conference play that we get to host that first round game or the only people in the Freeman for the Final Four will be those that arrived by bus!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on September 29, 2005, 12:35:27 pm
ballgame,

I was referring to the out of conference games.  Anyone know what happened with R-MC?  We get to host....sweet!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on September 29, 2005, 01:31:26 pm
Well swish, I'll be the first to admit I'm not to good at reading between the lines....anyway, nice little article in the Daily Press about CNU's newcomers and schedule for 2006.  It can be viewed online.  Have a good one. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 30, 2005, 10:49:50 pm
monarchs schedule (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/200506schedule.htm) - highlights include d1 app. state and h&h with maryville, wooster @ ehc tourney and @ vwc...4 games vs. probable ncaa tournament teams...also a h&h with piedmont, coached by former monarch assistant lee glenn - i think piedmont might break through and win 14-16 games this year, so they should be pretty solid - not sure about some of the others (sewanee, spring hill, etc.) only 8 home games and only 2 non-conf. home tilts - i don't agree with cj's scheduling philosophy at cnu, but it sure would be nice to have more home games as a fan...not sure 17 is the right number, but i'd like to see 10-12

edit: university of mobile was an naia final four team last year, so i imagine they'll be pretty solid
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 03, 2005, 12:43:17 pm
Narch, Check out the new issue of Street & Smith Mobile is ranked in the top ten of NAIA schools. They are a little bit better than solid that should be a tough game for MC. Monarchs once again have a formidable schedule. I agree CNU needs to do a better job scheduling games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 16, 2005, 07:46:28 pm
Basketball season has finally begun  :D and the first games are right around the corner. Here are my predictions for POY and all-conference teams. I know its early and you can never tell plus its based on numbers more than anything but, here it goes anyway.
(These Players might not be there anymore?)
1st Team:

Seth Thomas (MC)
Onyie Onunaku (SU)
Ramone Spears (NCW)
Lenny Hall (NCW)
Kenny Johnson (FC)


2nd Team:

Jeremy Romeo (CNU)
Sterling Williams (AU)
Eugene Grant (MC)
Jeremiah Lawrence (SU)
Andrew Boor (AU)

HM:
Jarvis Cobb (NCW)
Kory Lewis (CNU)
Rob Lee (MC)
James Newton(GC)
Steven Johns (SU)

POY: Seth Thomas (MC)
USA South Champions METHODIST COLLEGE MONARCHS
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 17, 2005, 03:54:00 pm
From what I heard, the CNU/RMC series was going to continue this year, but with the difficulties both coaches had in scheduling, they could not mutually agree on a date to satisfy both parties.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 18, 2005, 07:33:22 am
hoopshops - i've heard from a little birdie that johnson is not back at ferrum - also heard that su has a 6'11" juco transfer...can anyone substantiate that rumor?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 19, 2005, 10:07:15 am
If any of the CNU fans that attended Midnight Madness picked up a roster I'd sure like to see it.  There is still no roster on the CNU website.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 19, 2005, 11:40:51 am
OK, here goes –

1st Team
Onunaku (SU)
Thomas (MC)
Spears (NCW)
Hall (NCW)
Grant (MC)

2nd Team
Johnson (FC)
Romeo (CNU)
Williams (AU)
Lewis (CNU
Boor (AU)

HM
Lawrence (SU)
Cobb (NCW)
Holley (FC)
Brown (AU)
Radmanovich (MC)

POTY
Onunaku (SU)

Final Conference Standing (returning players)
1) Methodist (Thomas, Grant, Lee, Radmanovich)
2) Averett (Williams, Boor, Brown, Gardener)
3) Ferrum (Johnson, Holley, Fuller, Harris)
4 tie) CNU (Romeo, Lewis, Selden)
4 tie) Shenandoah (Onunaku, Lawrence)
6) NC Wesleyan (Hall, Spears, Cobb)
7) Greensboro (Newton, Battle)

My picks aren’t too different from Hops’.  I like my guy Corey Lewis more than Lawrence (SU) for the 2nd team.  I think that with Rod Carey and Steve Murrer gone this year he will step up and be a team leader.  He definitely has the shooting touch to light up the scoreboards.  His turnaround jumper can be really tough to stop.  I do think that Boor is a solid 2nd teamer.  He is just so tenacious, all over the floor and his numbers are almost identical to Lewis'.  I’m picking Onie for POTY because I think he’s just going to go off this year.  With Rhone and Purnell on the team last year he didn’t have to score much, and I think this year he will be almost unstoppable.  Seth Thomas is a great player, but I just don’t see 15.2/6.5 as POTY numbers (although those numbers will increase without Porter on the team and there are some intangibles about his play that don’t always show up in the box score).  Speaking of the Monarchs, I think that Radmanovich is finally going to play up to his potential.  I always hated seeing him enter the game for the Monarchs, even though he was usually replacing a player that was supposedly better than him.  I’m obviously very concerned with my guys, hence the 4th place prediction.  But CJ usually has something up his sleeve, so I’m not TOO concerned and I wouldn’t be surprised if we challenged for the conference title as we usually do.  I just don't see it with the team I see NOW.  I wish I had seen Midnight Madness, and unfortunately it might be mid season before I get a good understanding of the new guys with the light pre-conference schedule we have this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 19, 2005, 05:47:18 pm
Narch, I heard from a little birdie that the 6'11' kid isn't that tough but, I have never seen him play so I really don't know. CaptJ, you really can't go wrong with either Thomas or Onunaku. I chose Thomas because during conference play he was in the top 15 in all major catergories except steals and assist. Also, he was second in scoring with 16.8ppg (conference only) and I think 6th or 7th in rebounds thats pretty good coming from a wing and, he always guards the oppositions best player. Plus he finshed 2nd in the voting behind Porter last year!! I think this year will be pretty interesting I think NCW will finish higher than 6th though. If they return everyone I think they will be pretty tough to stop. I just don't think their run through the tournament was a fluke but, maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 20, 2005, 01:56:25 pm
Hops –

I just saw the USASAC Coach’s Poll and they certainly agree with you that NCW will do better than my prediction of 6th place.  They’ve picked them as a solid 2nd!  I guess I am counting on them underachieving again this year.  I also expect that the coaches will be way off (as usual) in their picks.  It seems that the only thing that they and I agree on is the top and bottom spots (Meth/Grboro).  Actually, my own selection of the 4-6 spots (Shen., CNU, NCW) was very tough.  I obviously gave Ferrum more love than the coaches did.  I can’t help but remember how they handily beat my Captains last year in the Freeman Center, and with so many solidly contributing players returning I just think they will do well. 

You’re right about the POTY being a tough call between Onie and Thomas, and you’ll recall that I did say that there are intangibles in Thomas’ game that don’t always get noticed.  I know that I’d sure like to have either of those guys on my team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 20, 2005, 04:04:56 pm
captj-
    Its up on the CNU site now.

http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/0506mbrst.htm

Lets try this instead. Ya first it was the schedule, and then it was last year's roster, I think I have it right this time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on October 20, 2005, 05:20:23 pm
Hey did anyone see the midnigth madness at CNU i missed it !! ???

I see the captains got 17 home games wow. that should be awesome for the fans. Now last year was awesome to watch at home games but from what i heard from my friends on the team away games were horrible.

think the captains will struggle on D. They have never been a great defensive team and with all the new guys it should be interesting in the beginning of the year.  They will need to step up big this year to make a statement for the 4th place pick.

haha this ismy first post sorry if i run  on...

PS where did all the freshman go from last year? i was looking forward to watching them play/ see them around campus
Ameen was here for a little bit but then jsut dissipeared
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 20, 2005, 06:02:16 pm
gonna be a looooong season for CNU. 14 guys on the roster, only 4 are over 6-5, and 2 of those are Freshmen. Only 6 guys with prior CNU experience.

I saw the post below about the RMC/CNU scheduling difficulty. CJ must have not wanted to take a bus ride to Ashland. Surprise surprise.

17 home games may be fun for the fans during the regular season. I'd rather listen to tough road games on the radio than watch easy "patsy" home games that do nothing more for the team in the long run that you couldn't get out of drills in practice. How many times do we get our hopes up with a good home record, only to get wiped out in the tourney?

I may be wrong, and hope I am, but even with the expanded tournament, CNU is not in the dance at regular season's year end.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 21, 2005, 10:45:36 pm
early scouting report - no real surprises, so far:

thomas has been a beast, grant and lee are improved - both grant and lee have bulked up a bit - i expect all three to elevate their games a bit this season

radmanovic is playing VERY well - he's beefed up some and he's playing a bit tougher - still likes to drift, but he's got a deadly stroke out there - if he can step up on the defensive end, he presents SERIOUS match-up problems for the opposition - he could be the key to how this season goes - if dragan plays defense and gives mc 10-12 ppg and 6-8 rpg, this team can be a top 25 caliber team

mcevoy has played very well early - could push for quality minutes and a starting position - he's big (6'11") and very fundamentally sound on both ends - a little slow and will struggle with quicker 5's, but expect him to block a lot of shots - mc may ask him to play a one man zone some to keep him near the basket

hairston has been unstoppable and is shooting 100+ ft's a day...he needs to increase that number to about 200+ and throw in shooting some 3's, as well - if he can add a jumper to his game...wow - should be a back-up pg to grant, but may play a lot if the monarchs go small with thomas playing the 4 and radmanovic playing the 5

moore and williams are playing well and should rotate in at the 4 and 5 positions - they're both strong kids who rebound well and play solid defense - expect a combined 20+ mpg and 8-10 ppg, 8-10 rpg

frosh mcbryde is pushing for lots of pt - he's 6'5" and led cumberland county in rebounding as a hs senior - strong and athletic - he's got to learn the college game still, but expect him to play significant minutes by the time conference season rolls around

frosh mcdonald will be a back-up at 2/3 - he's a scorer, but played some point in high school, as well - shoots the ball well and has a great body (6'2", 195) - quick and strong

frosh terry will be the 3rd pg - led cumberland county in assists as a hs senior - playing well, but pt in the back-court is going to be tough, especially early - he'll get his chances because he's very solid in all aspects

i agree with the coaches poll, for the most part - i don't think that ncwc will underachieve like they have in the past - i think thompson has some kids who play hard, and that hasn't always been the case - averett plays very hard, especially on the defensive end (who ever thought i would say that  ???), but they've got to find more scorers - cnu looks REALLY young, but don't discount the possibility of mid-season reinforcements in the form of scholarship transfers - su...lot's to replace, but i like coach harris - he usually gets great effort from his guys - ferrum will take a step back without johnson - greensboro will struggle big time...too much turnover the last few years
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 24, 2005, 02:05:54 pm
If Johnson is not playing for Ferrum this year I need to revise where I put them in my picks.  I thought so highly of them based on the assumption that he was with the team.  If he’s not I need to put them down with my 4-6 picks, but I still haven’t seen anyone confirm that he’s not on the team and they still don’t have a roster on the Ferrum website.

CNU fans – what did you see at Midnight Madness?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 24, 2005, 03:07:06 pm
captj,
I was at Midnight Madness, huge, huge crowd, very impressed with the turnout.   Couple of folks already said it; CNU is young, with a lot of new faces.  I know Coach Woolum is pleased with his freshman class, especially Barton, McShepard and Blasingame.  But they are just that “freshman.”  It’s really hard to pick up anything when they are “free styling” for 16 minutes.  Ed Riley a sophomore transfer from St Paul and McShepard are both very athletic, it’ll be interesting to see how they measure up in a “real” game.   I only saw CNU play in person a couple of times last year, but losing a senior point guard and a rising senior post player who was a double figure scorer cannot help.  Seldon (probably start at point) and Lewis will really have to step it up, along with Romeo and Purdham.  Would not be surprised if they added a transfer or two at mid-season.  A top four finish is probably a pretty close estimate, but we can certainly hope for better….just depends on how the new pieces fit in.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 24, 2005, 10:16:21 pm
game –

Thanks for the info on Midnight Madness.  You’re right of course that you can’t tell much from an unstructured, run-n-gun, exhibition.  UNLESS, there’s a truly big-time player on the court.  If Antoine Sinclair were on the court, even a freshman year Antoine Sinclair, he’d stand out even in a setting like that.  I sure wish we’d find another Antoine Sinclair, don’t you?!  I hope that you’re wrong about Donte Selden being the point guard this year.  Hopefully the freshman that drew comparisons to Blake can step up immediately.  Selden is a good player, but at the point he is really a liability.  Every trip up the court is a precarious journey with him handling the ball, and on defense he’s not so great either.  I like him coming off the bench to provide an immediate spark.  He’s a Vinnie Johnson type player; able to create his own shot when he has to.  He’s lightning quick.  Even if we struggle through the early season with the freshman at point, it would be worth it to have him ready for the conference schedule if he is, in fact, supposed to be our point guard of the future.  I’m a big fan of Adam Purdham, but I don’t see him in a starting role either.  He’s solid off the bench, plays really good defense, and has a decent shot, but if he’s a starter we’re in trouble.  I hope I’m underestimating him, and I could be, but for some reason he actually seemed better two seasons ago than last year.  Perhaps it was just a different team chemistry last year, and his role in it was different.  I guess that we’ll go with either him or Trent Dickerson at the wing opposite Romeo unless one of the newcomers steps up. 

Whoever it is that takes the court, I’ll be there cheering them on.  I rarely miss a game, and even though their recent success hasn’t lived up to CNU fan’s rather unrealistic expectations, they’re still my team.  Let’s toss it up and play some hoops!

Go Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 24, 2005, 10:37:53 pm
game –

To expand on my comment about a big time player standing out in a Midnight Madness type scenario; at last year’s Midnight Madness Jeremy Romeo went nuts from beyond the 3-point arc.  He had to hit like 8 or 9 in a row with maybe one miss all night, if that.  Sure, he was entirely unguarded, but no one else on the court could match what he did that night.  Even Unlimited Range, who was supposed to be a great pure shooter, couldn’t make more than a shot or two.  Those that have posted on this board for more than a year will remember Range, and how he was “courted” by (almost) of us.  It just goes to prove the old expression “be careful what you ask for…”
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 24, 2005, 10:41:15 pm
Anyone know what happened to Jordon Short?  We WILL miss him. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 25, 2005, 06:35:32 am
capt, good point about Sinclair....didn't see anyone who jumped out with that type of dominance, at least not from my perspective.   It was a dunk-a-thon, fun to watch, and Romeo did shoot 3s well.   Thanks for the insight on the other players, let's hope Barton can step-up at the point....I've heard good things about him and he certainly has good size for a D-3 point.  He did play against some good competition last year at Bethel and also heard he held his on in the Ben Wallace League in Richmond this past summer.  Heard Jordan Short is on campus, guess he decided not to play.  Looking at the stats from last year that's a substantial loss.  It will definitely be interesting!  Regardless of what happens, I'm with you, I'll be rooting for the Captains.   Again, thanks for the insight.     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 25, 2005, 11:33:13 am
Short is still enrolled at CNU and not playing?  Come on Jordan, lace them up and get back on the court!  We need you man.  How can you give up something like that?  I can only dream of having that level of talent, so it's hard for me to understand.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 25, 2005, 01:14:45 pm
anyone know what happened to "unlimited range"?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on October 25, 2005, 01:32:36 pm
last year Romeo hit 2 three pointers out of 6.  dancer was 1-1. I think Dantas hit about 3. So CaptJ i dont know what your talking about last year midnight madness. I wouldnt put to much emphasis on Midnight madness no one really plays for real

I recently talked on the phone with mike and he didnt think Cnu was the right prgram for him and he wanted to go closer to home so his parents and family could see him play so he transferred to Penn State Altoona, and looks like he will start along side the 3rd leading scorer from d3 last year  Tyler ( i forget his last name )

Jordan Short decided he wanted to concentrate on his studies and be a full time student. He will not lace up again, even though we'd all love to see the red haired shotter back ballin


watch out for trent Dickerson. He can get the bucket on anyone if he gets a few dribbles to break his man down.



any high risers for CNu this year

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on October 25, 2005, 01:38:02 pm
Also Captj,

Dancer is one of my best friends from last year.I gaurentee you would have an entirley different tune of he had stayed and played this year. He didnt get a chance last year and i can tell u he will take advantage of his opportunity at PSUA.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 25, 2005, 03:04:07 pm
3 –

Stirred up a little rancor, did I?  I might be thinking about Midnight Madness from two years ago, but whenever it was that I’m remembering, Romeo was unconscious from long that night.  I appreciate your support of your buddy Dancer, but he did very little to endear himself to me.  I just looked it up and see that he hit 3 of 8 on threes, not too bad for mop-up duty, but not earth shaking either.  His biggest problem was that he was just sooo skinny.  He seemed absolutely fragile.  That might work in high school but at the college level you need real strength.  Perhaps with a concentrated effort in the weight room and a 5000 calorie per day diet maybe he will improve.  He’s young and maybe I was a little hard on him, but if he starts more than half of PSA’s games this year I will pay for your gas to go to Altoona to see him play in their 1st round NCAA tournament game.  I wish him the best in Altoona (yikes, Altoona!).  I recall that he is from PA, maybe Camp Hill?

By the way, your handle seems really familiar, and the fact that you are friends with the players and have access to Midnight Madness stats is really interesting.  Is that you Blake?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 25, 2005, 03:14:47 pm
3 –

Too bad about Jordan Short, but I am not going to lose faith in seeing him back on the court.  I just can’t imagine a guy being that good without really loving the game, and how can you just give that up?  Come on back Jordan!

Dickerson impressed me a lot at times last year, especially early in the year.  He is definitely quick like you say.  I suspect that you know better than anyone on this board if you are who I think you are and competed against him in practices last year.  A 6-3 guard with speed would be a good practice match-up for you.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 25, 2005, 03:18:50 pm
Newport, McBride and Riley can get up......especially Riley, he can rise and throws down with authority!  McBride is 6'9" and looks every bit of it.....he is looooooooooooong!  However, he is a 2 or a 3....yep, so strength may be an issue.  Not sure how he slipped out of NC (Bertie County), when Chowan was just down the road, plus several other D-2 schools fairly close that could have made offers.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 25, 2005, 05:18:38 pm
captj - psa was 9-16 (7-11) last year and looking at their roster from last year, they seem to very undersized...it wouldn't shock me at all if dancer started there...they're pretty bad in a conference that isn't a world-beater conference (3rd place lake erie was hammered by your captains in their opener last season) - does anyone know what happened to catlin pruitt from last year - i know the monarch coaches recruited him pretty hard, and some of the cnu fans were pretty high on him - cj seems to have really gutted the team last year - only one of the freshman from last year returned, and honestly, i don't recall seeing him play or hearing anything about him (dickerson) - anyone have any insight?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 25, 2005, 07:19:42 pm
narch –

You are right of course about PSA, that is why I was willing to offer 3 the free gas money to Altoona.  I hope that Range does start for them, but if he is the best that they can put on the court they will do no better than last year.  Single digit wins again this year.

Of the freshmen we had last year that made it to the end of the season, Dickerson and Chebane were by far the best.  Pruitt was OK, nothing more.  With two or three years of development he could have become a contributing player, maybe even a starter by his senior year.  To me he seemed to struggle with his ball handling, much the same as Donta Selden does, and a PG HAS to be able to get the rock up the court, and quickly, so that the team has time to set up a play.  I really wish we still had Chebane.  As a freshman he showed real promise, and at 6’-9” with good strength and real intensity on the court, he will be hard to replace.  I hope that Mike Witham will step up this year and battle down low.  With Rod Carey gone we will need someone to guard the opposing big man, which Korey Lewis can do for 25 minutes a game, but as you know, the clock starts at 20:00 each half.  One guy that didn’t make it to the end of the season was Krizzio Washington.  I don’t have a clue what happened to him, but what I do know is that he was incredibly athletic and had real talent. 

The elephant in the room that no one seems to want to talk about is why does CNU have such a high turnover rate?  Sure, academic requirements and personal issues contribute to attrition, but it seems to me that we’re losing more than we used to.  Maybe Goose or someone closer to the team than I can shed some light on why so many guys seem to be jumping ship (or giving up; I don’t want to imply a conspiracy if none exists). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on October 26, 2005, 02:22:41 am
HAHA no its not blake. I play on the  tennis team at CNU (hint) and i was best friends with alot of ball players last year and i love  college and hs basketball.

Catlin Pruitt decided to transfer to a prep school in NC/SC somewhere im not sure the exact name. hes looking to play somewhere d2 next year i think. Catlin has alot of talent and iwll do something

from what mike told me PSA has a new young coach this year and have only 2 returning players from last years 7-whaeterv team. I though his problem was played behind All World Romeo  ;) .True it isnt the USA South but a tournement bid is a bid and anything can happen from there. I just wanna see how many 3's he can shoot this year haha hes a gunner

Amine Cheebane had unlimited potential , he had only played organizexd basketball for like 4 years before CNU.



yea i peeked in on practice and saw some tall black dude throwing down some slams

Turnover rate.. ha....i havea  good guess but that for me to know and for you guys to find out
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 26, 2005, 10:10:44 am
 Newport, seems you're pretty in tune to what's going on over at CNU.  CNU is a beautiful campus, first rate facilities.....a good selling point for recruits--especially at the D-3 level.  However, rumor has it that Dr. Tribble wants to up the academic standards, sort of a “mini” William and Mary...where by the way, they really do not recognize the term "student athlete."   My daughter plays club volleyball in Williamsburg and her coach was one of the W&M assistants and she really enlightened us on the challenges of playing ball there.  Do you think this could be one of the problems?

Anyway, back to CNU b-ball.  Read the CNU program on Pruitt, pretty good resume I'd say.  However, I am a NC native, so I'm wondering if Manteo is a 1A school? Big difference, BIG difference from 4A (is that still the top classification Narch?) and 1 or 2A. If you follow high school ball around this area the speed between even 2A and 3A is substantial.  Over the last couple of years I've watched a couple of summer tournaments at CNU and Heritage high school.   The guards were incredibly quick....3A schools such as Landstown, Booker T., Bethel, and Denbigh to name a few played FAST.   So, wondering if it may have taken Pruitt a couple of years to catch-up with the speed of the game.  That'll probably help Barton's adjustment to the college game.  I went to an NAIA school (it's now D-II) and it seemed at that level athletic guards came a dime a dozen, but quality big men were few and far in between. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 26, 2005, 11:49:11 am
3 –

So, you’re not Blake.  That’s too bad, I’d sure like to have his input on this board.  But welcome to you just the same. 

Like I said before, I appreciate your loyalty to your buddy Range, but I think your judgment of his skills might be a little clouded.  You said that his problem was that he “played behind All World Romeo”.  I’m afraid he was playing behind more than just him.  He played behind Donta Selden, and Jordan Short, and Trent Dickerson, and Adam Purdham.  In fact, he was DEAD LAST on the team in playing time.  E-mail me to collect on that gas money.

And by the way, I still don’t understand how a tennis player has access to Midnight Madness stats.  I can’t believe that those stats even exist ???.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 26, 2005, 02:16:07 pm
Its not McBride by the way, his name is Billy McShepard and he is 6-9 and athletic.

I wouldnt be suprised if Barton starts at the 1, from what ive seen of him, he's got great ball handling skills and i know the coaches were high on him from day one, so dont be surprised if he gets the nod there, but of course, there is still three weeks or so till tip, so anything can happen.

I have heard that Sen. Tribble wants to raise the academic standards here. I know that and the fact that they did away with the LSPE major had a huge impact on recruiting. As for what else is attributing to the high turnover rate, well, I think dealing with these kids for a long period of time and getting to know who they really are may have something to do with it. I know in Short's case, that was his decision, but with Chebaane, I dont know the whole story there. Immaturity perhaps. Pruitt, as stated, transferred, so did Dancer. I think Catlin too wanted to be closer to home, but I dont know for sure.

I think we are going to see some big surprises come game one, as far as who starts and who is coming off the bench. I think Dickerson will get better as the year goes on, nothing like one year of college ball for a kid who played less organized ball then Chebaane did. There is potential there, but when and will it all come together, sooner than later, I hope!!

PS This is Goose, by the way.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 26, 2005, 02:17:03 pm
I see my name has changed already, nevermind then.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 26, 2005, 03:13:39 pm
i know the mc coaching staff recruited pruitt some, and were really upset when he chose cnu...it's hard for me to believe that he got that bad that quickly - game...4a is the largest classification in nc still and i think manteo is either 1a or 2a, but pruitt played a lot of aau and club ball - like the others, i thought chebaane had a lot of upside even though he played just a few inconsequential minutes against mc - he was raw, but you can't teach a kid to be big, and he was - art hatch wasn't the most polished player, but he was a dominant rebounder and shot-blocker because he was big and athletic - not trying to push the conspiracy theory if it's not there, but i can't remember seeing cnu lose that many kids in one year - i mean, it's not like they're transferring to a school that costs less  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 26, 2005, 03:27:21 pm
Goose, thanks....maybe I should just stick with calling him Billy  ;D.  Have you been watching the practices?  Surprises, enlighten me bro', of course then they wouldn't be surprises.   But I think you're right, I HOPE you're right. 

I had heard a couple of rumors on Chebaane, but they're just that rumors.  It's always a shame when you have to lose a big body....especially one with large potential!  I saw him play a couple of games last year...he did look like a raw talent and if he had gotten educated on some offensive fundamentals who knows?  Just don't see big kids drop step and keep their shoulders parallel to the backboard or use a jump hook along the same premise anymore.....it's a lost art form and not taught…..correctly.

Narch, I’m an old fart, keep forgetting about AAU, where the REAL recruiting is done. Regardless, wish all of ‘em the best…hope he does get to play somewhere, you only pass this way once and for those fortunate enough to play team sports at the collegiate level it is something they’ll carry and appreciate for the rest of their  life. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 26, 2005, 04:15:38 pm
A factor to consider in the turnover mystery is that of simple geography.  Range was from PA and Pruitt was from NC, and it seems that both of them want to be closer to home.  For years it seemed that CNU had nothing but VA players on its roster.  Maybe the recent increase in turnover is just a factor of CJ trying to expand his search out of sheer necessity.  Look at the rosters on the CNU website.  The rosters through 1996 are available.  Most of the guys that have left the program are from out of state.  I’ll go through some names that at least the CNU fans will remember – Rashawn Rosa, Ian Holder, Julian Sumpter, Nate Stearns.  All of these guys were from out of state and all left the program.  If we’re going to see more out of state players in the future maybe higher turnover is something that we’re going to have to live with.

One thing that has disappointed (that might not be the right word) me lately is that it seems like we don’t get the All-American-level talent that we used to get.  It seems that about the time we stopped getting these players we also stopped adding NCAA banners to our gym.  There is no question that increased academic standards have contributed to CNU’s apparent inability to recruit these players.  Someone on this board suggested that since CNU is a larger school than others in the conference they are able to accept athletes with lower academic credentials because with a larger student body those athletes wouldn’t reduce the school’s average gpa and SAT scores, that that they were effectively diluted by larger numbers.  I don’t remember who said it or the exact words, but that’s how I took it.  It sounds good in theory but I think that in this case it doesn’t fly.  I have to believe that CJ is under just as much pressure as everyone else at CNU (and maybe more) to shape the school in the image that Paul Tribble wants, and I think that Tribble wants great student/athletes, not just athletes.  So maybe players like we’ve seen in the past (no names), players that might not be as academically gifted as the average student enrolling at CNU today, would like to play for the Captains but aren’t getting the chance.

An extension of this tenet is that maybe the guys that have recently left the team yet remained enrolled at CNU (Chebane, Short) are really pretty terrific young men that didn’t come to CNU just to satisfy four years of NCAA eligibility, but rather came to get an education.  What a concept!  And there is no question that playing basketball must complicate that significantly.  I wish that Short and Chebane could work out a way to fit it all in, but if they just can’t do it, if they can’t juggle both commitments, then I commend them for having their priorities straight. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 26, 2005, 04:45:17 pm
I'm sorry to hear that all of these players are leaving CNU they had a class with some potential for the future.  I think the biggest lost was Washington. He had a lot of potential and was fairly athletic. I remember being impressed by him at Marshall HS. He played on the same team with Chebane and Kwame Safo who is at Lynchburg I think.  I also, wonder about Pruitt's attitude toward playing d3 basketball. He was a pretty good high school player who ran into some issues which might have kept d2's away. I wonder if he felt bigger than d3 and, when didn't play as much as he wanted maybe it influenced him to leave.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 26, 2005, 05:10:46 pm
Narch,

I am glad to hear that MC is practicing well so far. I hope your right about McEvoy it will be great for the Monarchs if he could surpass expectations. I hope Hairston continues to work on his freethrows but, I disagree with you on shooting the three ball. He should work on his midrange game and a pullup jumper or floater to keep the defense honest. I don't think he needs 3 point range to be effective.(It would be nice though) His job is not to score but, to get everyone involved in the offense as well as pushing the ball up the court. Lets just hope he does the other things to stay on the court this season. Hopefully the freshman will continue to develop and become solid contributers. I think Williams might surprise a lot of people this year. He is my sleeper on the team. I think he will contribute a lot more than expected. He is a solid defender who has a knack for getting rebounds even though he is not the most athletic. He can score inside and has range from the outside. Plus, he understands the game of basketball and his role. If it was my choice he would start along with Thomas, Grant, Lee, and Radmanovic.

 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 26, 2005, 06:06:17 pm
Sumpter technically was born out of state, but he lived in VA for a while, playing his prep ball in Yorktown, just down the road, so I wouldnt call him an out of stater, even tho he did flake between semesters when he was here!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 26, 2005, 06:13:34 pm
Im not even sure Chebaane's in school anymore. I know Short is, but I dont think Amine is.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on October 26, 2005, 08:16:44 pm
They arnt concrete stats but i remember the game pretty well. it was my first CNU midnight madness - alot of fun


Amine cheebane is not enrolled at CNU anymore neither

If anyone wants information about anything else then they can Email me.

newportballer3@yahoo.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 26, 2005, 09:25:44 pm
hops - i'm with you on the shooting...you're right on - i should have said "jumper" instead of "3's" - with his ability to get to the rack and that first step, he'd be deadly if he could hit the pull-up j
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: daniel on October 26, 2005, 09:39:42 pm
This is a hard time for this CNU fan, I like to read all the posts, it seems this year you guys are right on. Blake is finishing up as a ART major and is more solid than ever (this is my last plug). I would love to address the topic of turnover, As his brother whom will probally disappear after this year because of two young kids, I just wonder what a team would be with kids who stayed four years. I understand this is all Division 3, but it makes me think. O.K.  but what about Blakes Senior year, Brookman, Hampton, Hepner, Carey, Brooks/Romeo. Honestly do you think any team on the schedule could even stay on the court with these guys. It is a shame that CNU turn over ratio is so high it really hinders the years that that the 4 year players are there. Now, read the first round game is at home for the conference tourney and they have extended the field for the NCAA  just stinks. I know I'm venting but this is the last couple of times I will, Bare with me, I just miss it, cry, cry
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 08:53:21 am
daniel - every team can play the "what if this guy or that guy had stayed" game...what would concern me if i were a captain fan is that the rate of player exodus seems to have increased over the last 3-4 years...is it coincidental that the monarchs have won the last 3 conference championships and are favored again this year? - every team loses one or two, but when you start losing 3 or 4 per year, especially when you're cnu, you have to wonder (i would think) what's going on - i understand a few years ago cnu cut out some academic programs which led to a number of athletes leaving to go elsewhere (which i actually applaud...shows that they were in school to get a degree, not play a sport), but with all the talk of more rigorous entrance requirements, it seems to me that cnu should be KEEPING more players...it stands to reason that the better a student is coming in, the better that student will be in college, no?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 09:47:54 am
narch –

CNU did drop some programs.  Our biggest casualty to that was Mark Hepner.  I think he transferred to West Virginia to get his degree in Leisure Studies.  “Leisure Studies”; now that is an oxymoron if I ever saw one. 

I agree with you somewhat that higher academic standards should reduce turnover, but not entirely.  It appears that Jordan Short might have left the team because he needed to focus more on studies, and he enrolled at CNU during the period of higher academic standards.  Don’t underestimate how difficult it is for true student/athletes to get through college.  And I believe that basketball players might have a particularly hard time maintaining grades since their season spans both the fall and spring semesters.  Football players can at least take a relatively light (12 credit) fall schedule and then pick up a class in the spring.  Basketball players can’t do that.  And, unlike football players, they actually play their sport year round to stay sharp, not just work out in the weight room in the off season.  I don’t mean to minimize football players here, they have their own inherent challenges, and there’s no way that they COULD actually play year round and survive.  But I am particularly impressed with what basketball players have to do to stay competitive and still make the grades.

I still think that the biggest reason that we have not been as competitive the last few years is because we aren’t getting the great players like we used to, and I can’t quite figure out why.  The great players didn’t transfer out, so I minimize the turnover issue.  We need more Antoine Sinclairs and Terry Grays, and wow, could we ever use another Lamont Strothers!  All of these guys played four years.  And these guys (I think) all graduated, they were all student/athletes, so I have to believe that they would have met the new CNU academic standards.  I just don’t get it.  We have these incredible new facilities and we still can’t get the guys we used to. 

But you know what?  It’s still preseason and we might be completely blowing everything out of proportion.  One of these new guys COULD be the reincarnation of Lamont Strothers for all we know.  I have to believe, and I DO believe (unlike a lot of CNU fans on this board), that CJ still knows what he’s doing.  That he is still the coach that has averaged 20 wins per year over two decades.  I’m not giving up on him or this team.  I expect that when the conference tournament arrives we will be competing for the title like we always do.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 27, 2005, 10:36:51 am
  capt, lot's of excellent points.  One note, Lamont Strothers is an assistant for the women's team this year.  Also, would see him frequently helping out with Warwick H.S. during the summer tournaments.  It definitely helps to have a "go to" guy on the team.  But there are so many intangibles that go into a good basketball team....and I think a couple of others that will be key to CNU's season are team chemistry and upper class leadership.  Obviously CJ has a pretty doggone successful formula....and his staff, Waters and Ross have been together a long time.  They have my utmost admiration....it has to be tough recruiting at the D-3 level....no letter of intent, just a handshake and a kid's word that he’s coming to your school.....sounds like a lot of coaches don't really know what they'll have until the first day of school.   Talk about a formula for gray hair!!

Looking forward to the start of the Captains season....you never know what will happen from start-to-finish...that's truly what makes it exciting.... it will be fun to watch this team mature and grow together and hopefully find that winning formula.
   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 11:36:46 am
game –

You’re absolutely right about the formula for gray hair.  I too have a lot of respect for our entire coaching staff, and think that it’s another demonstration of CJ’s ability as a head coach that he’s been able to keep his team of assistant coaches intact for so long. 

Sure, we need more than just a go-to superstar to make the team successful, but having that superstar on the team makes everyone around him better, and I have to think that having a couple of great players already on the team also helps with recruiting. 

I did know that Strothers is an assistant on the Lady Captains team.  He was with them last year as well.  It’s great seeing him in the gym in any capacity.  Not many D3 fans get to see a former NBA player among their alumni, and talk about a recruiting tool!  When Coach Ross brings in a high school kid to see a game it would have to impress the kid to see (or meet) someone that has achieved what Strothers has via the D3/CNU route. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 02:42:46 pm
Don’t underestimate how difficult it is for true student/athletes to get through college. 
i agree wholeheartedly...but why is it any different at cnu than it is at mc?  you don't REALLY believe that cnu is that much more difficult than mc, do you? (if you do, read some of the banter on the football board from cnu "student"-athletes) and with your "higher academic standards" your student-athletes should be better prepared for the rigors, right? ;D

seriously, though, you make some great points - still, if i were a capt fan, i would want to know why 6 of the 12 underclassmen on the roster last year did not return to play...

i'm totally with you on all those frosh...they are unknown right now, and one or two could be very special for the capts - i NEVER doubt cj's ability to bring top-flight talent with the facilities and reputation cnu has AND i fully expect a transfer or 2 to find his way to newport news in the 2nd semester
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 03:49:10 pm
narch –

What did I say to disparage the academic standards of Methodist or ANY other school?  Why would I do that?  I don’t even know what the academic standards are at the other conference schools because I never for a second considered attending any of them.  I assume that since they are private schools they have very lofty standards.  I was merely talking about the difference between the standards at CNU ONLY, and specifically between the Tribble era and the pre-Tribble era.  That, and talking about student/athletes as a whole.  Don’t be so sensitive, Dude.  And by the way, I don’t read the football board much because I don’t attend many of the games, even though that as an athletic sponsor I have tickets between the forty yard lines (that go unused most games).  I’m also a W&M alum and have been going to their football games religiously since well before CNU even had a football team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 03:53:20 pm
captj - i inserted the smiley face AND said "seriously, though" specifically to let you know that i was joking around...i took no offense to your previous post...sorry that you missed the folly of mine :)

if one WANTED, they could mis-read your post, however, as implying that student-athletes at other schools are not "true" student athletes
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 03:59:52 pm
That’s cool, narch.  I guess that I just don’t understand forum lingo that well.  That’s one subject that wasn’t taught at CNU.  Probably dropped that program before I attended :). 

Wow, Methodist didn’t even make the top 50 in the D3Hoops preseason poll.  Not much love for the USASAC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:05:55 pm
narch -

I just read the last paragraph of your post.  We’ll just have to agree to disagree on my implications about student/athletes at other schools.  I never made a single reference to other schools or compared CNU to them in any way.  Go back and read it again.  I don’t see how anyone could read it the way you obviously are no matter how much they WANTED to ???.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:08:26 pm
Those smiley face things are pretty cool!!!  I'm going to start using them a lot more. ;D ;) :) :o 8) :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:20:19 pm
I just read something from one of my posts and feel that I should clarify it before narch is offended.

Instead of saying “Wow, Methodist didn’t even make the top 50 in the D3Hoops preseason poll”, I SHOULD have said “Wow, THE BEST TEAM IN OUR CONFERENCE didn’t even make the top 50 in the D3Hoops preseason poll.”  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 04:21:43 pm
captj - just make sure you use them correctly - one of these  :o when you mean this  :P can really confuse someone...i guess

i'm just happy the monarchs are an orv team...the way they played in the ncaa's last year didn't exactly endear them to voters, i'm sure - they'll have a chance to move quickly if they were to beat teams like wooster (#3) or vwc (#11) or m'ville (orv) - the reason cnu started seasons like mc had last year in the top 15 is they had some tournament success the previous year...i'm hoping this is the year the monarchs take the next step
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:25:13 pm
Wow, narch.  You must have taken the advanced course.  Maybe I should curb my use of them after all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 04:29:07 pm
i did notice that catholic, a team that mc beat on their home floor last year and that did not MAKE the ncaa tournament, is ranked #25 - i'm sure they are returning all 5 starters and 9 of their top 10 players since the monarchs are only returning 4 starters and 8 of their top 10 players, right
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:30:26 pm
narch –

I don’t understand what you mean by “the reason cnu started seasons like mc had last year in the top 15 is they had some tournament success the previous year”.  There are so many –‘s an …’s in that post that I can’t understand it.  For us laymen that don’t understand online forum-speak, please use more basic sentence structure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 04:35:49 pm
in the past, cnu has been ranked in the top 25 consistently after a season like the monarchs had (20-8) because they had some tournament success the previous year - it's not webspeak...just a bad run-on sentence...sorry  - a few words, properly placed would have taken care of the problem - "the reason cnu FOLLOWED seasons like mc had last year in the PRE-SEASON top 15 is THAT they had some tournament success the previous year”
 
and for the record - cua IS returning all 5 starters and all but one of their top 10 players...no wonder they're a top 25 team  :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:44:55 pm
I see what you’re saying narch, but I don’t think there’s much shame in losing a NCAA tournament game on the road.  I think that the reason your guys didn’t get more votes is because of two words; SAM and PORTER.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 27, 2005, 04:55:35 pm
So CaptJ has tickets for Saturday's game???

I rec'd a phone call today at 12:30 - someone in Blacksburg calling me to say if I can make it in time, he has aticket to tonight's BC @ VT football game......dang it...I hate last minutes invites...I couldn't make it...that sounded like so much fun (or trouble, if you ask my wife)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 05:00:17 pm
I have four.  Free to anyone wearing blue and silver.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan on October 27, 2005, 05:05:12 pm
Not sure an old timer like me is ready for this board now. But Props to Pat for makeing it so nice and all!

All is right with the world. Round ball is about to begin. Loving the practices. Liking what I see at SU.  While we have lost two premier points, we come back with lots of bodies and make improvements. We are solid and should be in that 3-4 position most of the year with hopes of catching lightning in a bottle come tourney time!

Onie will be Player of the year though! With the help of those around him. his game is getting better and better. Watch out for Stevie and Jerimiah though! wow I love this game!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 05:15:17 pm
noxious -

Welcome back, but try to play nicely with the kids this year, OK.  I’m really looking forward to seeing your guys in the Freeman Center this year.  It’s a treat to see good players like Onie, regardless of who they are playing for.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 05:23:07 pm
captj - yeah...sam was a stud BUT, believe it or not, i think he can be replaced and i think the monarchs could be better this year than last - i think radmanovich will step up and play to his ability, and if he decides to bang around inside and pulls some boards, he's more gifted offensively than porter - i think that williams and moore have the body type to be very good post players and both play solid post defense...remember, nobody thought much of seth thomas or robert lee after their respective first year in the program, and both had break-out sophomore seasons...i think williams and/or moore could could take similar steps (although williams is a jr, the anology still works) - i like what i'm hearing about mcevoy - he could be the shot blocker mc didn't have last year and having him back there allows the perimeter defenders to get even MORE aggressive - if he can give 12-14 productive minutes a night that's huge for mc - robert lee is a year older, wiser and better - lastly, i think seth thomas and eugene grant are ready to put this team on their backs and carry them the way sam did at times - thomas WILL BE the poty (no disrespect to onie...he's nice and i sure would like to pair him up with the mc perimeter guys) - thomas does EVERYTHING so well - i actually thought he was more important for mc than porter last year...but i understand why the monarchs aren't getting more love, and i'm ok with that...they'll have a chance to prove themselves with that schedule!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 06:07:37 pm
narch –

I actually had to look up McEvoy.  I didn’t remember him at all, which has to concern you since he’s 6-11.  He definitely had a lot of blocks for the limited PT he had, but a lot of fouls as well.  You’ve got to be concerned with his FG% as well.  But he definitely could have improved since last year.  He’s a senior, so if not now, when?

Williams and Moore (especially) were pretty low on your depth chart last year, but both do seem Porter-like physically.  But if you recall, I was a big Porter fan, and I think you’re dreaming if you think these guys can replace him.  He had a tenacity that was something that you just can’t acquire because you want to.

Your guys should be good on the perimeter, but for them to be REALLY good you’ll need to be correct about a couple of these untested post players.  Dragen HAS to play strong down low, but to me it seemed like he spent a lot of time outside trying to get free for jumpers.  Don’t get me wrong, I like his game and picked him as All-Conference HM, but I wonder if he’s going to throw his body into the boards like you need him to.  I think he will.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 27, 2005, 06:08:48 pm
I totally agree with you Narch. Sam was good but, his void will be filled. The Monarchs have lost good players in the past(Byrd,Brown, & Hatch) but, always seemed to to better the following year. Someone will step up and put the team on their backs. This year they have two very capable players in Thomas & Grant.

There is no question Onunuka is a great player but Seth Thomas will be the POY in the conference as long as he stays healthy.

Didn't the Monarchs beat Catholic @ Catholic and split with Hampden-Sydney? I guess they still have something to prove.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 27, 2005, 06:14:48 pm
CaptJ,

Your right Porter is a tough void to fill but, these post players collectively can be effective for the Monarchs. Williams step up for MC last year toward the end of the season ask SU. He could be that breakout player Narch is talking about but, only time will tell. Also, keep an eye on freshman Travis McBryde he could be a special player down the road for the Monarchs
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 06:16:09 pm
Wow!  The Bishops have 12 players 6-4 or taller!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 27, 2005, 10:24:59 pm
Im tellin you right now, the Bishops will beat plenty of teams in conference this year. They are coming off a great finish from last year, and return a crap load of kids from last year's team. They are definitely in the top 3 at the end of the year, I have to think they will be. As good as those kids are, watch out, they could sneak a split in with Methodist and could very well win 75% of their game in conference. Im scared of them.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 10:31:14 pm
goose - i'm with you, bro...if thompson can motivate them to play, which isn't a given...i've seen ncwc simply roll over more than any other team in the conference over the last few years - i don't think they will quit on him though...the players just don't seem to be that type of guys, although, there was the conference tournament final last year....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 28, 2005, 08:31:47 am
hops, narch –

There’s no question that your untested post players COULD step up and be equal, or close to equal, of Sam Porter.  But I think you’re wearing rose colored glasses if you think replacing a player like that is that easy, or even likely.  The problem is, you can’t send them all out on the court “collectively”.  There’s that silly 5-players-on-the-court rule that should prevent that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on October 28, 2005, 10:09:41 am
November means basketball season...and the return of Bspears!  How is everybody doing?  Where is my boy "Swoosh Thug" and "Rump Doggy Dogg"?  Check out the new graphics  :) ;D ???!  I am back in the area after living in Florida the past two years and I definitely will be in attendance for more then a few SU games this season!  Let's go ahead and start the Obie Trice P.O.Y. campaign.

GO HORNETS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 28, 2005, 11:51:35 am
CaptJ,

I think I'll just pay the $10 at the gate and support the team that way. Bummer I didn't buy season tickets this year (first time) but I didn't think I could make many games, and I've been to all but 1. Just called in my $$$ for hoops season tickets. I hope the halftime food in the President's room is good again this year!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 28, 2005, 12:29:35 pm
cnu85-
   That was about the only thing good about last year!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 28, 2005, 12:39:52 pm
That’s cool 85, but I bet you can’t get seats anywhere near as good as mine.  Inside the forties, four rows up, on the aisle. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 28, 2005, 12:41:49 pm
There’s no question that your untested post players COULD step up and be equal, or close to equal, of Sam Porter. But I think you’re wearing rose colored glasses if you think replacing a player like that is that easy, or even likely
that's why we play the season...as much as i like sam porter and his game, i don't think any one player is bigger than the program and unable to be replaced - i think what mc will miss MOST about sam isn't the stuff on the court - he was a true leader on this team - guys like thomas, grant and lee are going to have to fill that void more than the play on the court, in my opinion - but those guys know nothing but winning with 3 straight conference championships, and the younger guys all talk about rings and championships, not individual stuff, so i think they'll be able to lead by example and by getting vocal when needed...of course, i could be dead wrong and the monarchs could be horrible this year without porter :)

'85 - give a donation at the door and take captj's tickets...those sound like NICE seats :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 28, 2005, 12:58:13 pm
How could you marry Kevin?

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 28, 2005, 12:59:06 pm
85 -

Another thing you could do is use my tickets and then put the ten bucks into the 50-50 raffle... three wins that day would be so sweet! (1 - CNU over those pesky Bishops, 2- free seats, and 3- several hundred bucks in the raffle)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 28, 2005, 04:18:55 pm
Captj is full of good ideas....the first 3 seasons my tickets were 1st row 47 yd line, on the aisle.....it was too low....couldn't see 1/4 of the field over the players. Last year I went higher. Next year, I'll go high again.

Not sure about tomorrow.....If I decide to go, how do I get ahold of the tickets? I tend to do everything last minute....2 kids, wife, dog, etc.....I may end up going by myself or take my daughter and a nephew......like I said everything last minute....as in the last minute offer of a ticket to last night's VT game....just think, I could be still hungover right now!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 28, 2005, 04:29:48 pm
85 -

I just e-mailed my telephone number to you.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 28, 2005, 04:43:43 pm
All this hoops talk has me thinking about ex-Captains and where they might be today.  Wasn’t Tim Collins supposed to have gone to an ODAC school to play baseball (RMC)?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 29, 2005, 09:41:33 am
Tim ended up at Radford, Im pretty sure. I know he isnt at RMC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 29, 2005, 12:01:26 pm
Tim is at Radford (or was last year) and was contemplating a walk on in baseball. I'll check for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 29, 2005, 12:06:03 pm
Captj,

I just checked my email. I didn't see anything unless you were also offering to eliminate my debt or to get me a nursing degree. I did notice that your message on here was at 4:30 yesterday. I bet I deleted it, not recognizing you. It's time to head to the game anyway. If I was really smart I would have walked a few yards down the street and gotten a ticket from the Voice of The Captains.

A few hours away from everything is just what I need know. Let's hope for an upset of MC today!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 29, 2005, 12:54:48 pm
He's quite mad at you for not asking him too cnu85. He's feelings are delicate you know!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 29, 2005, 10:35:10 pm
I'll buy Captj a pepsi Nov 18th....send email again, so i figure out who you are.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 06, 2005, 12:32:07 pm
Less than two weeks to go!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 08, 2005, 08:52:31 am
Friend of mine ref'd CNU scrimmage this past Sunday afternoon--said they looked pretty good. He is working this Friday when CNU scrimmages Hampton-Sydney.   Would love to be a fly on the wall for that one, but like the Sunday scrimmage he thinks it's closed.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 08, 2005, 01:13:30 pm
Its HSC, anything's possible. When I was a student at CNU, I travelled with the team to HSC to learn how to do the stat program, there was at least 100-150 there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 08, 2005, 06:28:08 pm
The Daily Press had an article with a projected starting line up of Selden, Romeo, Purdham, Blasingame, and Lewis.  Interesting.  I predict that two of the five will change by conference time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 08, 2005, 06:53:32 pm
Which two ya think captj?   I bet at least one will be different next week!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 08:14:57 am
I’m not going to say.  You can read my old posts if you like to figure it out.  I just think that we’ve got some very talented young guys that will work their way into much larger roles as time goes on.  And although he is incredibly skilful, at least one of the projected starters is playing completely out of position (in my very unqualified opinion).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 09, 2005, 08:27:19 am
Well, we'll see what happens.  From what I hear they're about nine deep right now--those that will see considerable playing time....of course that could change.   I'll give you my one....CJ will not start any of the freshman next week, but expect a couple of them to see significant playing time!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 09, 2005, 08:46:38 am
I think for the first game we are going to see something we arent used to, but by game two, I think the line up will be Selden, Romeo, McShepard, Lewis and Blasingame.

By the way, the men's media guide is up.  Get it http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/Men%27s%20Basketball%20Media%20Guide%202005-06.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 09, 2005, 09:02:05 am
Goose, agree.....except Blasingame....I think Mike Witham will start at the "5"....hear he's playing well and is as strong as an ox!   Blasingame will see a lot of action....think he'll be an adequate replacement for the loss of Chebanne.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 10:45:22 am
game –

I guess you would have a pretty informed idea about Blasingame vs. Witham because of your perspective.  I wonder why CJ would announce to the media that Blasingame would start if he isn’t going to.  The last couple of years have proven that CJ has lost any reluctance that he might have once had to start freshmen.  I think that Hepner was the first ever, then Short started as a freshman the very next year.   Speaking of Hepner, can you believe that we would have him back this year again if he hadn’t transferred?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 10:46:35 am
How about this as a “could have had” team –

Mark Hepner
David Turner
Jordan Short
Amine Chebane
Catlin Pruitt
Korey Lewis
Jeremy Romeo
Donta Selden
Adam Purdham
Mike Witham
Trent Dickerson
Mark Blasingame
Billy McShepherd
Davon Barton
On or two of the other newcomers since we’ve now run out of roster space.

Would this be a better team?  Who knows?  But I’d sure like to have those first four or five guys back.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 09, 2005, 11:17:50 am
Captj, lol--thank you for letting my "informed" perspective slide ;D....but you're right, looking at past stats, if some of those guys would have stayed--whew!  Not sure where that Daily Press thing came from....they listed Lewis at the "5"......he'll primarily be the "4."   I noted CJ's comment on Riley in the media guide, comparing him to Carey....I hear he is VERY athletic and can REALLY rise--let's hope so!!  And, let's hope this group stays together!  I'm sure CJ would like to bring the freshman along slowly, but not sure he'll be able too.....to bad you can't teach experience!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 11:21:58 am
I completely forgot about Krizzio Washington and Reggie Halsey, two of the most purely athletic players we’ve seen for a while.  They don’t appear in any of the archive rosters on the CNU website.  What could they have done so terribly wrong to be “virtually” erased from the program?

I’d like to see a starting team like this –

Catlin Pruitt   G, 6-1
Jeremy Romeo   G, 6-1
Jordan Short   G/F, 6-2
Korey Lewis   F/C, 6-7
Mark Hepner    F/C, 6-7

With these guys coming off the bench first –

Davon Barton   G, 6-2
Donta Selden   G, 5-11
Adam Purdham   G/F, 6-3
Mike Witham   C/F, 6-7
Mark Blasingame   F/C, 6-8
Amine Chebane   C, 6-9
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 09, 2005, 11:34:38 am
Well, I guess this year the question may be who is the third option after Lewis and Romeo?  Or, do they really need a third option?  Fortunately, it seems they'll have plenty of time to figure out those issues prior to conference play.  Let's keep our fingers crossed that they stay healthy!

Did not hear about Halsey, but heard Washington could REALLY compete....and like you said, was very athletic. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 10:20:45 pm
Halsey was a 6-5 basketball and TRACK star in high school.  400 meter champion.  Huge speed and athleticism.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 10:37:41 pm
game –

Romeo and Lewis should be the go to guys offensively, but we have to get more than that.  Selden can light up the scoreboard from the 2 position, but if he’s looking primarily to dish the rock from the point?  I don’t see the points there.  Purdham is better defensively than offensively, but can shoot.  I guess the points will have to come from your guy.  Good defensive teams do win championships though, so maybe that will be this team’s specialty.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 09, 2005, 10:42:04 pm
captj - i'd take the team the monarchs ACTUALLY have against the fictional cnu team you've put up below...fortunately the monarchs haven't lost many players of substance the last few years, so the fictional monarchs wouldn't get much better...jordan snipes who transferred to guilford (and hit the 80 ft shot against rmc last year) would be a junior, but he'd be coming off the bench as a 2/3 behind thomas, lee and grant (maybe that's part of the reason he left)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 10, 2005, 08:20:16 am
cap, not sure my guy is ready--hopefully as the season moves on he will step up--I think he has the tools, more concerned about the strength (about another 10 lbs. and he'll be there)/experience (can tell he is enjoying himself though--sounds like CJ has a very good group of young men).....but think Riley may be ready--Ed has a little 'tude that comes from his previous experience.   Guess we'll start finding out in a week....it'll be fun watching'em mature.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 10, 2005, 09:15:25 am
Well from what I hear, I think Blasingame and the dark horse that no one is talking about, Billy McShepard will be in the starting line up by the end of the year, if not sooner. I also heard that Witham was playing very well in practice, I just hear that a day or two ago. I think Selden will start at the point.

ballgame-Athleticism must run in the family!! I saw Allison (I think thats her name) play against Jamestown in volleyball earlier this year and that girl has some game!! Get her to come and play for CNU!!!

One person capt your forgetting about, even though I think he may have had only one semester of eligibility left was Roderic Carey. Imagine him back in the second half of the year during conference season when they would need him the most.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 10, 2005, 10:40:56 am
narch –

You’re probably right.  I said that we would be BETTER if we still had these guys, not that we’d be the best.  I think we’d still not be as strong at the 1 as we need to be to be really great.

But, who knows?  Maybe the guys that we have now (that would not be on the team if all the guys I mentioned were still here) will actually turn out to better than those that have left prematurely.  Maybe these guys will have the “chemistry” together to be great some day.  I hope so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 10, 2005, 10:50:14 am
Goose, most definitely appreciate the comment on Ali...in all honesty did not see that one coming, as it turns out looks like she'll be the best athlete of the three (she is the youngest).   I hope you're right on Billy my source tells me (and you and captj have about figured that one out--only reason I didn't want anyone to know is so folks will hopefully interpret my opinions as "unbiased.") that he has tons of talent--just needs to work on his defense a little.  But think you're right, we'll see him on the floor a lot....a 6'9" three...that'll be something and he's every bit of 6'9", those numbers were definitely not exaggerated!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 10, 2005, 10:51:18 am
I am soooo ready for this season to begin.  The great thing about college basketball is that you almost never know what is going to happen.  Teams that are expected to be great often turn out to be huge disappointments.  Dark horses become champions.  And there are always players that exceed their supposed limitations.  Maybe the Captains will be the surprise team this year.  But, win or lose, I’ll be right there on the second row embarrassing myself (and my wife) with my often irresponsible enthusiasm.  And to the lousy referees we will certainly see; beware the wrath of CaptJ!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 10, 2005, 10:57:57 am
game –

I don’t know if you know this or not, but when someone clicks on your “ballgame” username in your post, your profile pops up with your e-mail address on it.  With yours it is pretty easy to tell who you are.  Goose and I aren’t exactly super sleuths to figure it out.  And if we can figure it out, what with our public university education and all, you just know that the other posters here knew as well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 10, 2005, 11:01:00 am
Lol....I am just super dumb captj....I swear...thought I had fixed that...and I was giving you guys all the credit in the world!! :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 10, 2005, 02:27:50 pm
ballgame-
     Im not going to lie to you. CNU vb coach asked me about my thoughts on the match, she knew I was going and I told her the one and only person who stood out in my mind was Alison, even more so then Ashley Moore. She's got a ton of talent and I talked her up to Coach Sheppard. What year is she anyway? Junior?

     McShepard is every bit of 6-9. Quick and can apparently hit from anywhere on the floor. Should be excited to say the least. I know I cant wait til Nov. 18. Although, if the CNU women's soccer team continues to win, Im gonna be torn. Coach and I are good friends and I know he's going to expect me to be there!! I think his defense will come around in time and hopefully if he stays, and can have a healthy career, he could become a very good player.

    Hey dont be bustin on my CNU edumacation now!!  I earned it!! I think.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 10, 2005, 03:03:31 pm
for kicks, i decided to see what the monarch lineup might look like if the guys who left school or were still in school and not playing were still with the program - i found 3 players who had left early but would still have eligibility

chris mark - an athletic 6-6 forward who played just the first semester last year and avg 5.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg in 10.7 mpg

joe standley - 6-6 post with 3 pt range who is still in school - one time starter had some injury issues, but rumor was that he was going to give playing a go this season...doesn't seem likely

jordan snipes - 6-3 g/f - averaged 8.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg and shot 37% from 3 for guilford last year

if those 3 had stayed, the monarch roster would look like this (if you replaced them with the 3 current players who got the fewest minutes last year) - the monarchs would certainly be much bigger and more athletic on the inside

mark - 6-6, so, f
standley - 6-6, sr, f/c
snipes - 6-3, jr, g/f

hairston - 6-0, so, g
mcdonald - 6-2, fr, g
terry - 6-3, fr, g
lee - 6-0, jr, g
grant - 6-2, sr, g
carter - 6-3, so, g
thomas - 6-4, sr, g/f
williams - 6-4, jr, f
radmanovic - 6-7, jr, f
mcbryde - 6-5, fr, f
moore - 6-4, so, f
mcevoy - 6-10, sr, c

and i think every one of the guys on the roster now would still be here...i don't think any of them would have been scared off by the presence of the guys who aren't here, especially standley and snipes who would be a sr and a jr - the only guy who would have been really competing directly for pt with an underclassmen (of these players) would have been mcbryde (with mark), but travis' committment to mc wasn't based on playing time

i'm hearing that there is a potential d1 (recruited walk-on) transfer and a long-shot d2 transfer in the works for the spring semester - the d2 was a kid that i wrote about this summer as a possibility for the fall - he's a 6-6 shooter, but i don't think he'll materialize (he didn't for the fall, no reason to believe he'll be here this spring) - the d1 transfer has much better potential of enrolling...he's from fayetteville and apparently life as a walk-on wasn't fulfilling enough - he's a shooter, great ballhandler and very bright...we'll see what materializes - spring transfer's are not really something that happens often at mc, so i don't know how i feel about them, but i guess as long as they don't upset chemistry and they can contribute...bring 'em on
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame1 on November 10, 2005, 03:45:20 pm
Goose, thanks again for Ali, she is a sophomore and has set some pretty lofty goals for herself.  We are very proud of her; the girl definitely loves to play.  I have become a bonafide volleyball fan that's for sure.  We are all familiar with the outstanding program Coach Sheppard runs at CNU--she is definitely WELL thought of around the Williamsburg Volleyball Club.

Let's hope these guys stick together and then maybe at some point we'll give Narch and  his boys down South a run for their money.  Can understand about being torn Goose...my wife asked me last night what I'll do if Grafton volleyball makes the state playoffs and has a game next Friday--man I don't want to even go there?  Anyway good luck with that one....look on the bright side--lots of CNU b-ball at home!

Narch, agree you have to be careful with "chemistry" especially on a team that's picked to win the USA South!   Sure CNU is working hard to add some experience too, but have not heard anything.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 10, 2005, 06:50:26 pm
Anytime ballgame. I didnt realize she was just a sophomore. Tons of talent there, thats for sure!! Check your messages, i sent you one thru here.

Whats up with my karma. Too many people smite me, im not Bruce Almighty in saying smite me almighty smiter!!

Sheesh.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 10, 2005, 08:31:37 pm
Goose, wish the H-M scrimmage was local...to bad....some good comp for the team. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 10, 2005, 10:58:37 pm
Friday's scrimmage at HSC will be a good test. Wish I could be there. Ill get a report from my inside mole tho, I will promise you that!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 11, 2005, 08:34:51 am
Goose, looking forward to some feedback on the scrimmage!  One week away from opening night!  It will be SVA's sixth game I think...so they should have most of their kinks out.     

Side bar, my heartfelt feeling go out to the CNU volleyball team.....what a heartbreaker!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 11, 2005, 05:04:20 pm
I echo those sentiments on the volleyball team. Going up 2-0 and losing the last three isnt a fun way to go out. But they return everyone but the twins and have a fantastic nucleus to work from.

Ill be speaking to my "mole" tomorrow afternoon and see if I can get some insider info on the way the Capts played.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 12, 2005, 11:03:12 pm
man...i'm just not ready to start thinking hoops yet...let's hope something CRAZY happens and the monarchs make the football playoffs on sunday :)  ;D  ;) :D  8)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 12, 2005, 11:10:36 pm
Ya lets see, all CNU fall sports are done now, so, its Southern Virginia on Friday in the season opener. Ya did I just say Southern Virginia?? Crap thats, wow, nevermind, i need to go to bed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 13, 2005, 08:36:54 am
Goose, so it's officially basketball season?   H-S scrimmage was not great....lol....will not embellish....looking forward to the game Friday!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 13, 2005, 09:39:42 am
Ya I echo those sentiments ballgame on the HSC scrimmage, thats why I didnt post anything!!!  Either way, they have today, and Tuesday thru Thursday (off monday because of ADs meeting) to get the ship right for a Southern Virginia team who will already have a few games under its belt. Wow, again, opening with So. VA. Cant wait till Tuesday when the Marlins come to town.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 13, 2005, 11:20:48 am
Come on, guys.  At least tell us who got the most PT.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 13, 2005, 12:51:57 pm
captj,
Think we started Selden, Romeo, Purdham, Lewis and Witham.....with Dickerson, Barton, Blasingame and Coleman coming off the bench.   Riley was hurt....ankle.   Know we lost the first two periods, first pretty bad, second was closer, won the third--with Trent shooting very well.  Probably first time we experienced having the passing lanes "really" denied this year.....can create bit of havoc when trying to get into your offense.   Think we'll be OK Friday.....but you guys know this better than me....but imagine the VWC game will be a bit "faster."     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 13, 2005, 02:53:31 pm
I heard the second half was won at the buzzer and the first half wasnt very close at all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on November 13, 2005, 03:58:48 pm
I see the let jared and matt walk on this year... thats good for them. Will they see any playing time.


So how was the HS game. i didnt see it i just know what the players told me.
They were handled the first half but then played about even the rest of the way
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Post by: NewportPlayer3 on November 13, 2005, 04:13:22 pm
CNUJ should be able to handle southern virginia easily to start off their season right...


Mike Witham will be a big player this year. he has waited for his time and he will take advantage. he is big and strong with soft hands.. good luck witham

ps. Catlin pruits juco team is 2-0 and he is starting with 17ppg
dancers team scrimmaged Slippery Rock U (d2) on sunday and they won both halfs, he had around 15
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 13, 2005, 06:53:19 pm
if he starts more than half of PSA’s games this year I will pay for your gas to go to Altoona to see him play in their 1st round NCAA tournament game

3 -

The offer still stands.  Methinks you have too high an opinion of your buddy Range.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 13, 2005, 08:24:57 pm
where is pruit enrolled?

nevermind...googled him - he's at brunswick cc south of wilmington
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2005, 12:11:30 pm
dancers team scrimmaged Slippery Rock U (d2) on sunday and they won both halfs, he had around 15
newportplayer - got a call from a former mc assistant and player who happens to be coaching at slippery rock and he said that psa didn't even come CLOSE to winning EITHER half in their scrimmage...in fact, sru was up by 20+ in one half and won by double digits in both - he did confirm that dancer probably scored around 15 - said dancer played some in the post for psa and stepped out and hit a couple 3's against a 4 who was slow getting out - he didn't think that dancer was the leading scorer for psa, but he might have been - he said psa would be a bottom feeder in the usasac - dancer did start for them, and i'll bet that he starts more than half of psa's games, but they WON'T be playing a first round home tournament game...looks like a pretty safe bet, captj
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 14, 2005, 01:05:22 pm
You never cease to amaze me, narch.  Slippery Rock!?  Your sphere of influence knows no bounds.  Your karma just went up, dude.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2005, 01:35:13 pm
j - gotta network, bro - i'm hoping one of these former mc coaches will land a head coaching gig at a big time d1 and make me an assistant  ;D

oh, thanks for the karma point...it's been slipping steadily on the football board - i need all the karma i can get
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on November 14, 2005, 03:35:23 pm
Well his opinion i respect...his information is highly wrong. I know for a fact that PSA won the first half 34-33. Both taems emptied their bench in the second half. i dont want to start a debate, i just figured you guys would liek to know what some former captians would be up too.

So how many points you think Romeo will average this year? With out blake he will have to get his shot off byhimself alot more i think
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2005, 04:00:40 pm
player - with all due respect, if you weren't there, i'll believe the person that was :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on November 14, 2005, 09:06:47 pm
I talked to someone who played in the game
and someone who was in the stands    :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*


Is rhone or Purnell back from SU?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2005, 10:50:24 pm
player...not sure what the motivation to lie would be for a coach who i've known for 5 or 6 years, and who gave a pretty honest appraisal of his own team (he said they were 2 years away from being a really solid team, but would struggle a bit this year with 9 new players on the roster) - choose to believe who you would like...

how exactly does this relate to the usasac, again? :)

rhone and purnell were both seniors, but onie is back - speaking of onie, i've heard frosh travis mcbryde for mc compared to onie as a frosh...that's exciting, 'cause i love his game
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Post by: NewportPlayer3 on November 14, 2005, 10:56:08 pm
same with me...but i dont wanna get into it i was just trying to give some information that people might wanna know.

rhone was pretty nice. SU could be really ncie this year
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Post by: cnufan on November 15, 2005, 09:29:00 am
Rhone and Purnell were nice, except when Purnell was getting T'd up or Rhone couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat. Should be interesting to see how things go this year. Im anxious for next Tuesday's game at home against VA Wesleyan.
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Post by: cnu85 on November 15, 2005, 12:49:00 pm
gto my tix...ready for Friday....I wish the concession would bring back the bar-b-q sandwich or have some pizza. hot dogs aren't cutting it anymore!
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Post by: eddie on November 16, 2005, 01:24:47 pm
 8)  ive been going to the captains b-ball games since 1998 and this is the first year i didnt buy season tickets.  i hope they are better then last years team.  i remember trent dickerson in some ganes last year and i think he can be a good player for the captains. he had sick handles and a good midrange jumper.  if they get some quality play from him and the new guys they should at least be fun to watch
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 16, 2005, 01:31:54 pm
Goose, about 54 hours and counting.....we going to have a full roster Friday as far as you know?   Did not realize SoVA was a Mormon school.  Not sure if they are like BYU and a lot of their players go on a mission first.    Translates to older and sometimes stronger.   Then faster your seatbelt VWC on Tuesday!

cun85, are you a season ticket holder?   Just curious, assumed you were since I thought ticket sales start tomorrow for Friday's game.   Imagine it will be a packed house!
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Post by: cnu85 on November 16, 2005, 01:50:12 pm
Ballgame - yep I'm a season ticket holder...have been for a few years. It's been fun....Campus is only 2.5 miles down the road....it's nice to be able to leave the house at 6:30 or even 6:45 and make it to the game in time. I'm usually home while the post game is still on 99.1.

The past few years have been tough...even with an 18-8 record last year. CNU has not dominated anyone in the past few years. I hope Ross has done a good job recruiting!
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Post by: ballgame on November 16, 2005, 02:00:38 pm
cnu, thanks for the info--looking through the media guide it is quite a "standard" set by past teams.  I do hope for the very best.....as we've discussed a couple of times, a lot of new additions.   Let's hope young and old mesh quickly. 
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Post by: cnu85 on November 16, 2005, 02:11:05 pm
That's the fun part about being a fan.....I have high hopes every year. Friday night will be fun.....the tournaments are fun as well....but the atmosphere during thanksgiving and new year is dead..no students, no pep band..sometimes no cheerleaders....just us old people in the chairbacks....you'll see us!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 16, 2005, 02:23:07 pm
We will get you acclamated (sp? for narch) to CNU basketball. Southern Virginia is a mormon school and they are affiliated with BYU and they do have their kids go on missions. I think we are undefeated all-time against the Knights of So.VA. Should be fun. As far as a full line up is concerned, I wouldnt know. But as Ive said before, Im predicting a very very difference line up for Friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 16, 2005, 02:57:32 pm
Goose, you're cracking me up, "very, very" different.....I can only imagine.  Probably a phrase that may be repeated quite a bit over the next month or so!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 16, 2005, 04:08:53 pm
Oh I think we will see many different line ups over the course of the season until they get the right chemistry on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 16, 2005, 05:23:23 pm
Will the games be aired on AM1470 and 99.1 or just 99.1.....which I can't pick up inside the Freeman Center!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 16, 2005, 06:12:35 pm
eddie –

Why no season tickets this year?  Don’t give up the ship!  Our once-mighty program is going to be great once again, and I predict soon.  We might be experiencing some growing pains as a school and as a basketball program, but I am more excited than I’ve ever been about Captains basketball.

And for those of us that didn’t learn our hoops on the inner-city playgrounds, what the heck does “sick handles” mean?  Good ball handler?  Good defense?

Go Captains!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:31:28 am
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 17, 2005, 09:00:54 am
yes captj sick handles does mean exceptional ball handling skills. You will have to forget Eddie, he's under 30, a CNU grad (I think). He and I were there at the same time!!!
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Post by: captj on November 17, 2005, 09:26:34 am
I love it - "sick handles".
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Post by: captj on November 17, 2005, 09:37:53 am
OK, Dickerson has sick handles, so how are his court vision and passing skills?  Hmm… maybe he would be good at the point. 

And in case there are no playground terms for “court vision” and “passing skills”, I submit “wicked looks” and “Magic dish” for your approval.
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Post by: cnufan on November 17, 2005, 10:59:17 am
Those just might work captj, those just might work.
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Post by: eddie on November 17, 2005, 01:54:54 pm
why yes goose i did get my degree.  i used to get info on season tickets in the mail but i moved so i never went up to buy them.  but dont worry capj i will be at all the games as long as im in town
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 17, 2005, 04:53:20 pm
Eddie-
    But you have to admit, its not the same as before when Ratcliffe was around and the 22 Shoe boys and you cant forget "Baker" on the front row courtside right in the visiting teams grill talkin smack!! Those were the days!! Thats for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 17, 2005, 05:55:05 pm
Goose –

You conjure such happy memories.  Remember David Powell burying threes from waaaaaay downtown?  Jeff McLean slashing to the basket and Andre Bolton sticking daggers into the hearts of opposing teams one point at a time from the free throw stripe as the crowd roared, Nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goodbye!!!!!

The Captains will be great again!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 17, 2005, 09:33:54 pm
Ya captj I have to admit, I saw David Powell bury threes but Jeff McLean and Andre Bolton were before my time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 17, 2005, 10:42:55 pm
ah the good 'ol days of cnu lore...THEY'RE OVER, and the monarchs rule the roost now (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06preview.htm), boys :)

i'm kidding (sort of) of course :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 18, 2005, 04:39:37 am
narch –

The Monarchs ruled the roost in 04-05, but unless I’m mistaken, they’re 0-0 like everyone else.  You should know better than to go claiming championships before the first shot has even been taken.  I’m kidding too, sort of.  I think that you’re just a little bit sore that you don’t have any other Methodist posters on this board for YOU to reminisce with.  What is up with that?

Seriously, I’m just looking forward to Friday night and to finally seeing our new guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 18, 2005, 07:25:19 am
captj, the Daily Press hit the nail on the head; "fans will get their first look at a bunch of new faces as the Captains open the season......"   Cannot believe basketball season is finally here.  Good luck Caps!!

Narch, it's nice to have the Monarchs as a rival again, just like my days (very old days) back at the 'Broke.  Speaking of those guys they are 1-0 for the first time in how many years?  They beat Billy Lee and his F-M team.  Guess Coach Lee signed on late.....he'll have that program turned around in no time.  Good luck Narch, looking forward to seeing you guys around the neighborhood again! 
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Post by: narch on November 18, 2005, 08:11:41 am
narch –
The Monarchs ruled the roost in 04-05,
and 02-03 and 03-04....be sure you get that right, captj...the seniors will be gunning for ring #4

unless I’m mistaken, they’re 0-0 like everyone else.  You should know better than to go claiming championships before the first shot has even been taken.
i didn't claim a championship, but even you would have to admit that at this point in the pre-season, the monarchs are the favorites

I think that you’re just a little bit sore that you don’t have any other Methodist posters on this board for YOU to reminisce with.  What is up with that?
it would be nice to see more monarch posters, but i KNOW that there are a lot of monarch lurkers...'cause i get calls and emails from them (you know, to tell me things about teams like slippery rock, etc) - i think hoops hops might be a closet monarch fan with some insight into the program :)

ballgame - uncp will be better this year with some of the recruits they brought in, but they will never compete in the pbac...there are at least 3 guys that the monarchs recruited heavily the last few years who chose uncp because of the scholly - one of them isn't currently on the roster and i hear he's red-shirting (not sure if it's medical or not), one was the leading scorer for them vs. oklahoma and the other is a 6'6" freshman - they would all be really good d3 players, but they won't make uncp competetive in the pbac...you've got to have a roster full of really good d2 players (and maybe some d1 re-treads) to be competetive in the pbac...that's a big boy d2 conference - st. andrews isn't very good right now, either - it will take billy lee a few years to get his guys and system in, but i could see them competing in the cvac (another very good d2 conference) in 3 or 4 years - mc scrimmaged sapc last weekend and, from what i heard, looked pretty good
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 18, 2005, 08:51:30 am
Narch, thanks for keeping me straight.  I forgot it was S-A, not F-M.  How could I forget S-A right over in Laurinburg!  Possibly because it was another hated rival?   I agree with all of your comments....the Broke' has a long way to go and I honestly believe Billy will have S-A up to speed sooner.  He definitely has the gift of gab and is a master recruiter. 

Good luck to your guys...look forward to seeing you around the neighborhood.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 18, 2005, 11:31:19 am
narch –

You’re the one that said that “the Monarchs rule the roost now” as though you are the 05-06 champions.  You’re absolutely correct that your guys are on a great run now and the ones to beat again this year, but you’ve been around long enough to know that pre-season expectations should be taken with a grain of salt.  How many of those recent championships were in years when the Monarchs were the pre-season favorite?  If I remember correctly, NCW was the pre-season favorites a couple of years, or maybe we were.  As a long-time CNU fan I can safely say that the team-to-beat’s wardrobe includes a shirt with a very large bull’s eye on it.  I think that we should play it out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 18, 2005, 01:23:56 pm
j - thanks for recognizing the "now" in my earlier post...i guess since we haven't tipped off the 05-06 season yet, i consider the fact that mc is the reigning conference champions to be the here-and-now  ;D - at the very least, it's much more recent than the success that cnu enjoyed in ratcliffe - maybe i should have said "the monarchs have ruled the roost the last 3 seasons"

if memory serves me correct, mc was picked #5, #4 and #1 in the last 3 pre-season polls...this team understands how to play with the bulls-eye and this fan understands that pre-season polls don't mean jack :) - forgive me for being excited about the possibility of continued success in the conference with this team - i think they COULD be better than they were last year, but everyone thinks that before the season tips off, don't they?
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Post by: eddie on November 18, 2005, 01:52:24 pm
got my tickets baby.  i just saw dp last friday hes doing good theese days.  my best highlights always came from b.jones dunking on the other teams center.  actually he dunked on the whole team.  i cant remember anyone latly with ups like he had.  im sure narch will find somebody
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 18, 2005, 03:52:46 pm
Sorry, this reminiscing thing has me worked up.  How about that 1999-2000 (25-3) team we had –

All-World Antoine Sinclair (Jr.) led the team in scoring and rebounding (19.7/11.5)
Brandon Jones (Sr.) on one wing (17.6/5.6), and like eddie mentioned; he could jump through the rafters
Tiran Matthews (Sr.) on the other wing shooting 40% on threes (9.3 ppg)
Kenny Stokes (Sr.) was like a man among boys down in the paint; huge heart, great defender
Albert Haskins (So.) finally beat out Aaron Morris (a Florida State transfer) a third of the way through the season to win the point guard job

Terry Gray (Fr.) never started but still averaged 20 min/gm
Tyrell Veney (Fr.) would bruise and abuse opposing basketball and football players for a very long time
Rod Carey (Fr.) would become our best player years later
Jeremy Boykins (Fr.) was the brother of a CNU legend
Donte Henderson (Jr.) played in every game and shot 50% from the field (8.8 ppg)
Jimmy Moorman (Sr.) – Didn’t he start at point guard a year earlier?
Louis Park (Fr.) transferred to VWC and became a starter there

What a team!!!  And look at how this team was DEVELOPED; lots of guys that played many, many years in the silver and blue.  We’ll be back!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 04:57:57 pm
Kenny Stokes was a man cause he was 28 when he started here!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 18, 2005, 05:08:48 pm
What a team!!!  And look at how this team was DEVELOPED; lots of guys that played many, many years in the silver and blue.  We’ll be back!!!!!

out of curiosity...how many of those guys were transfers? i know gray was a mid-season juco transfer...wasn't jones an odu transfer (i could be confusing him with someone else)? any others aside from morris?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 05:36:45 pm
Lets see. B.Jones came from ODU, Stokes was a transfer, Terry was a Norfolk kid but came back from a juco, and thats it. They were the only transfers on that team.


By the way, its almost game time!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 18, 2005, 05:42:04 pm
see u at da game goose
go capts
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 08:42:40 pm
Barn burner here in Freeman. 71-70 with 4 seconds left and Davon Barton at the line. SOVA is up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 08:47:25 pm
Damn if we havent played an OT game in almost two years and we start this year off with one. 75-71 CNU with 4 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 08:58:34 pm
Playing without Jeremy Romeo and Korey Lewis, the Captains come from behind and defeat Southern Virginia 84-76.  Details to come.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 18, 2005, 09:15:28 pm
great game by #11  he played real good for a freshmen.  the only problem i had with the game was the two guys that started down low were horrible but #33 and #43 played great they need to be the first big men in the game when lewis gets back.  i didnt see mcsheperd play at all.  he had a few write ups in the daily press so i figured we would see him out there
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 10:31:22 pm
Eddie-
    Dont blast the Blasingame kid. Ya he looked tentative out there, but give him a couple games and he's gonna be beast. He did have three blocks and six boards. He's just a freshman, he is going to develop into a great player.

     Barton was good, but eratic at teams. 0-of-7 from behind the arc. He too is a freshman and will only get better. But 21, 9 assists and 8 boards in his first game was solid and Edward Riley is going to be a beast. 19 and 13, reminds me of Sam Porter but not as thick.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 18, 2005, 10:55:21 pm
goose
what happened?  SVU that good this year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 19, 2005, 07:58:31 am
Goose, God bless your perspective.  It was a little disappointing and you can see it's a work in progress, but it will keep getting better as things settle.  Did you watch SVA warm-up before the game...they were all shooting from behind the arc.  They finished 7-25, but they definitely got some good looks.  Looked like they were a little leg weary late.  Plus they could not handle pressure at all--thank goodness!  Have to give all the credit in the world to Barton he really stepped up, as did Coleman and Riley.  It’ll be nice to see Romeo and Lewis back in uniform Tuesday.    It’s a long and winding road….we’ll see where it leads…..
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 19, 2005, 09:23:13 am
Some good observations by all on the CNU OT win.  Here are some more –

SoVA was definitely tired at the end of the game, but so were our guys.  We basically had the same unit in for the duration of the comeback and you could see their exhaustion when CJ called timeout near the end.  HUGE heart in that comeback win.  You can’t teach guts, and these guys had it.  Selden really impressed me, as did Matt Coleman.  Coleman played with intensity the entire game, and although he’s still a project his strength and determination will help us out a lot.

However, for the first 30-35 minutes of the game I wasn’t too impressed with our guy’s determination.  Sure they responded down the stretch, but there were times when we just seemed to be on automatic pilot.  Defensively, we allowed way too many uncontested shots and layups.  On the other hand, SoVA was prepared after playing 5 games already, and played with intensity EVERY SINGLE SECOND of the regulation period.  That’s why they forced so many turnovers and created so many open shots for themselves.  But when we stormed back and pushed it into OT it seemed like they were just too stunned and tired to stay with us.  We need to learn to play with that CONSISTENT intensity.

Edward Riley will be very, very good for the Captains.  He’s not going to be intimidated by anyone.  Double-double (19/13) in his first game on 9 of 12 shooting.  Great start, and welcome to Newport News, Mr. Riley.

I’d have liked to see more from Blasingame.  I talked to CNU85 at the game and he made the comment that maybe the speed of college ball surprised him.  I think that’s likely.  Game will be better though.  I liked his stroke on the free throws he made.  Nothing but net.

Davon Barton threw a coming out party for himself.  My concerns about the point guard position have officially been expunged.  He didn’t shoot very efficiently but still put up 21 points, 8 rebounds, 9 assists, 4 turnovers, 5 steals.  He might have been the exception to my comment that we didn’t play with intensity during the first 35 minutes.  When others around him weren’t getting it done he stepped up big time.

Because of the suspension of our two top players, I suspect/hope that these two will be fired up on Tuesday.  We’re going to need that and more (like 40 minutes of the intensity we saw in the last ten against SoVA).  I hope that the students will still be on campus and will fill the stands.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 19, 2005, 09:25:08 am
i hope you are right goose but the kid had no energy at all.  i can count plenty of times he didnt even try to crash the boards.  missed a couple put backs from down low that my grandma could have made.  or maybe it was because the othe two guys just played better then him.  like i said before i hgope u are right goose.  as for whitam i dont see him playing much more after lewis gets back and the play of 33 and 43 and mark.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 19, 2005, 09:28:14 am
mad props to barton he had some sweet passes.  he looks like a great kid to build around
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 19, 2005, 09:29:06 am
narch –

I don’t care how many of the guys from that 99-00 team were transfers.  You quote my “DEVELOPED” comment as though bringing in transfers is not a good way to develop a team.  You know better than that.  I don’t care how we GOT those guys, I care that we KEPT them. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 19, 2005, 09:41:22 am
vwc lost by 3 to trinity,  so they will be fired up come tuesday.
go capts
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 19, 2005, 11:05:14 am
narch –
I don’t care how many of the guys from that 99-00 team were transfers.  You quote my “DEVELOPED” comment as though bringing in transfers is not a good way to develop a team.  You know better than that.  I don’t care how we GOT those guys, I care that we KEPT them. 
j - i think you're reading WAY TOO MUCH into my post...i didn't mean to imply anything negative about the fact that there were 4 transfers on that team...just wondered how many there were - it does seem that recent renditions of the captains have had fewer transfers, and thus were "DEVELOPED" differently, but in no way did i imply anything negative...sorry if you took it that way
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 19, 2005, 11:17:14 am
i don't want anyone to misconstrue this comment, so i'll make it very clear...i mean nothing negative or derogatory toward cnu when i ask this question, i simply do not know the answer...is southern va any good? 

i saw they were 2-3 and very small (only two players over 6'4" on their roster), but i know NOTHING about any of their opponents to this point - i know the sova football team is pretty terrible, but i imagine it's easier to field a competetive hoops team than it is to field a football team when you are a lds school (smaller roster size in hoops)...there are only so many football playing lds kids, and the mission requirement would be tough to overcome on the field, i imagine
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Post by: cnufan on November 19, 2005, 11:42:54 am
And the Marlins still have to play a tenacious NC Wesleyan team Sunday before heading to Newport News on Tuesday. Should be very interesting. Im looking forward to one more game before Turkey Day and then a "stellar" tournament on the 25th and 26th.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 19, 2005, 04:02:31 pm
I don't have much more to add to what Captj said below. I do believe that Blasingame was a bit overwhelmed with the quickness and speed of the college game. And this was SOVA...wait until Tuesday!! Also, a few more reps in the weight room and some more game time, and he'll be just fine.

Barton surprised me. I think we have a point guard from my old H.S. (the school does have a history of nice point guards - Iverson comes to mind). One message to the kid....STAY IN SCHOOL!!!! I'd love to see that guy as a senior. I know one game doesn't predict the future...but if he keeps it up and sticks around for 4 years....I'll be saying Blake who?

Matt Coleman was another nice surprise. He had a rough 1st half. I think he too was adjusting to the college speed. He adjusted well in the second half. Without him, there would have been no overtime.

Overall, the team has guts and heart and I think falling behind by 9 several times, and coming back each time will help this group of guys eventually become a team.

Prediction for Tuesday - CNU learns even more, discovers more aout themselves - as they lose to VWC by at least 20.

CaptJ  good to meet you last night - see ya on Tuesday  -what were those fried things anyway?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 19, 2005, 04:40:54 pm
narch –

If I was a little bit defensive about your transfer inquiry it was because you elected to quote my comment on developing that team as part of it.  You usually quote people when you disagree with them.  Let’s just drop it.

SoVA is hard to figure out.  They do some things very well.  Their passes are crisp and they handle the ball well.  Like I said in my recap of the game, they played very hard for the entire game.  Every second of it.  I get the impression that they are pretty well coached, but that they might be at the limitation of their talent.  They came in here with 5 games already under their belt and a week to study CNU films in preparation for us, and they still couldn’t beat us (even with a team full of newcomers to the program and our two best players in street clothes).  I’d love to think that they are a really good team but I’m afraid that they’re not.  They obviously need to rebound better (61-34 in our favor).  They aren’t that small by D3 standards.  They have a guy (#53) listed at 6-8 and always had at least a couple of guys at 6-3 and 6-4 in their line up.  Their point guard is 6-2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 19, 2005, 04:42:41 pm
85 –

Chicken cordon bleu balls?

See you Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 19, 2005, 06:08:33 pm
j - i usually quote when i don't want to re-type what someone has already said...it's much easier to hit the quote button and you don't run the risk of mis-quoting someone, but, i digress

monarchs get win #1 (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/maritimestate.htm) today against suny maritime - looks like the defense was way ahead of the offense for mc - lee had a NICE game with 17 and grant & thomas had double digits with 11 and 10 respectively - no box score yet, but i'll post it when it's available online
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 19, 2005, 08:42:10 pm
I forgot to mention the play of Ed Riley...another nice surprise.

But let's face it..this was SOVA....... Remember Ferum football was 9-0 at one point and look what happened to them the past 2 weeks. I can't get excited about the win, but I can get excited about the potential I see. I think one thing CNU needs right now is a few years of being steady. The past few years there have been quite a few players leaving before their senior year.

CaptJ - 61-34 in rebounded....ummm.......they are Mormon......Mormon's can't jump!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 19, 2005, 08:43:21 pm


CaptJ - 61-34 in rebounded...


whew...and I've only had 1 beer so far tonight
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 20, 2005, 01:47:05 pm
Good win for the Monarchs yesterday. Lets hope they continue and get another win today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 20, 2005, 04:58:56 pm
looks like the sewanee game was a barn burner...the monarchs dropped a 118-115 game in double ot
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on November 21, 2005, 03:44:17 am
Monarchs look ok in the first couple of games.   The word is Mike Mac had a bunch of blocks, and from what I can tell Seth looked like a beast.  Haven't seen too many stats yet.   
In the Sewanee game MethCo shot 53.9% (41 of 76), but got out rebounded 54-41.  Hopefully we'll see a rebound in a few days with a pair of Emory & Henry Invitational wins.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 21, 2005, 06:51:24 am
What's this, a new Methodist poster?!  Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2005, 08:26:41 am
isoar - welcome aboard...not sure about that name though...i don't recall EVER seeing you soar :)

losing to sewanee is not a great way to start things out...defensively, mc didn't come to play - i've gotta see the box scores to figure some things out, but sewanee was not a great team last year...that's not a good loss, in my books, especially when you've got the #3 ranked team in the nation and (potentially) the homestanding wasps who run "the system", something the monarchs have never played against, THEN a d1 tilt with app state looming on the horizon - this could be a 1-3 start if the monarchs don't figure some things out
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 21, 2005, 09:44:17 am
narch –

I see your concern.  Sewanee was just 12-15 last year and lost a 1000 point scorer from that team.  But there are a bazillion reasons why a team might lose a game (especially away games), and tough losses are no guarantee of future failure.  They will shake it off.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 21, 2005, 06:39:39 pm
narch -

What's your concern with ISoar's handle?  Should it be "rockhops"?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 21, 2005, 06:41:33 pm
Or should it be "eyesore"?  Ugly dude?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: snowbird on November 22, 2005, 12:18:30 am
I was at the Sewanee game...really excited about the victory. I stuck my head in the USAC to see if ther was any buzz. Methodist got a lot of layups off the Sewanee press(thus the high % shooting). I was really surprised by the rebound margin...it didn't seen that lopsided. Methodist seemed flat the 1st half, but shot trey real well in the 2nd half. Refs seemed to let Sewanee get away with alot of hand checking & hacking early on, but tightened up later. Overall the way the game was "called" seemed to help Sewanee.In conclusion Sewanee is due a good year...they have 5 guys back that started some games last year(3 jrs that started as freshman). They came on strong late last year & made a good showing in the tournament. Also they were missing the starting point guard against Methodist.   P.S. I'm new to D3Hoops..ain't it great?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on November 22, 2005, 02:07:32 am

Nobody likes the handle?  Hmm.  I just thought it was clever, but uh, I think I led the team in dunks one year. 

Captj: Thanks for the welcome.  I think its about time the back to back to back, champs had more than one poster.  Oh, and speaking of posters and my handle, I think your guy Roderic Carey is on one of my Posters.  ...rockhops....eyesore.... *mumble*    ;)

Narch: I agree, not a good loss, but what is?  A Methodist team that needs to figure itself out... who knew?


On the bright side a lot of guys getting min means a lot of options and possibilities.  Fred Mac looks pretty solid.  Drag shot well.  Mike Mac clogged up the middle.  Seth played well.

The dark side of things.  Marcus still can't hit his fts.  B Will had a bunch of to's.  Gene had an off shooting night.  We need to rebound better.  We need an inside threat on O (only so many people can stand around the arc). 

For the upcoming games, Our d has always been suspect against good half-court teams.  (See maryville.)   Hopefully this will be the year to change it.  Personally I'm looking forward to them.

 Taking a few losses at the start of the season isn’t as bad as taking them at the end.  We'll bounce back.   We just have to work that much harder now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 08:05:45 am
isoar - it's definately clever...keep it - i was just giving you a hard time - GREAT points, all of them...couldn't have said it better - i like the assist/to ratio for hairston, too (13/3) - college of wooster is a HUGE test...let's see how the monarchs handle this - if i remember correct, su played cow to a 1 point game last year, so anything can happen - wins on friday and saturday would erase any uneasy feelings for me :)

sewanee box (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm1120.htm)

maritime box (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm1119.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 09:23:46 am
Hello Bryan Booth –

Once more we have a new poster who doesn’t know that his profile contains pretty irrefutable proof of his identity.  It’s nice to put things in perspective, and it will be nice having a former player here as well. 

However, nothing one says on this board escapes scrutiny, as you will soon find out.  So let’s see… “Marcus still can't hit his fts”.   Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  You hit less than 45% of your freethrows last year, dude!  But I do remember that you’re a pretty good player, even if a little foul-prone.

“I think its about time the back to back to back, champs had more than one poster.”  OK, I see that (like narch) you have a very selective memory.  Let me remind you guys that in 02-03 Methodist and CNU were co-champions in the regular season and that CNU WON THE CONFERENCE TOURNAMENT AND WENT TO THE NCAA PLAYOFFS THAT YEAR!!!!!  No banner for Methodist that year.  So let’s just lay off the “3-time champ” and the “back to back to back” drivel. 

Once again; welcome to the board.  :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 09:39:40 am
“I think its about time the back to back to back, champs had more than one poster.”  OK, I see that (like narch) you have a very selective memory.  Let me remind you guys that in 02-03 Methodist and CNU were co-champions in the regular season and that CNU WON THE CONFERENCE TOURNAMENT AND WENT TO THE NCAA PLAYOFFS THAT YEAR!!!!!  No banner for Methodist that year.  So let’s just lay off the “3-time champ” and the “back to back to back” drivel. 

captj - in that case, cnu hasn't won a single football championship, either, since all of the usasac championships have been co-championships, right?  co-champions are still champions, my friend, just ask the conference website (http://www.usasouth.net/developer/men_basket_hist.shtml)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 09:41:16 am
Take it to the football board, narch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 09:58:42 am
captj - i've got the 2004 cnu media guide in front of me...funny, on page 68 it lists cnu's co-championship seasons as championships...interesting to see that cnu considers those championships, as well :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:41:23 am
What would you like them listed as narch?? Considering there is no tournament in football. Any ideas??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 11:40:33 am
narch

Here is the most applicable part of the Merriam-Webster definition of champion – “a winner of first prize or first place in competition”.  I don’t see anything about ties or co-champions, so I guess we need to come up with something ourselves.  If it were clear we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

My own opinion is that when two teams end up tied in their conference and one wins a tie-breaker against the other “co-champion”, that team is the real champion.  You are THE champion if you go to the dance, it’s as simple as that.  Since you brought up football, by MY criteria the Panthers were the real champions in USASAC football this year (not Methodist) and CNU (not Methodist) was the Dixie basketball champion in 02-03. 

Keep in mind that this is just one man’s opinion and I didn’t crown anyone, nor did I write any media guide or other marketing products.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 12:33:26 pm
OK, one hour and counting.  Anyone want to guess how long it will take narch to research the entire world wide web to find every single instance of CNU being in a scenario where we came up short in my “championship” criteria above?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 22, 2005, 12:58:21 pm
- if i remember correct, su played cow to a 1 point game last year, so anything can happen -
Shenandoah actually lost to Wooster 69-63 last year @ Embry Riddle in Florida.  It was a closer game than what everybody thought it would be, but the game was actually never really in doubt.  Wooster is very aware of the fact that Shenandoah gave them all they could handle and they lost 2 out of 3 times to Methodist last year as well.  This should be an interesting matchup on Saturday.  Methodist seems have not gotten off to a great start, which could be a bad thing for Wooster because they could come out hungry with something to prove against the #3 team in the country. 

Wooster has run out of a half court set in the past and they still do somewhat, but they are definately more of a perimeter oriented team than in years past.   They have 5 legit threats from three point range and a couple of freshman that could be once they get their feet wet enough.  The Scots also won't be afraid to run with anyone and pressure shouldn't bother them as they start 3 guards and their forward, Tom Port, is arguably their most versatile player and he can handle the rock as well. 

It will all boil down to how well Methodist can defend the perimeter.  If they can keep Wooster's sharp-shooters at bay and force them to have an off night shooting, they might have a chance at an upset.  If Wooster can continue to find open looks from the outside, it could make for a long night for the Monarchs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 22, 2005, 01:32:28 pm
I agree with you ScotsFan I think it will be a pretty interesting game between Wooster and Methodist.  Thankfully, in the past the Monarchs have been a pretty solid defensive team on the perimeter. Thomas, Grant, & Lee are more than capable defenders. Also, Hairston and McDonald can be solid. I just hope the Monarch big men can make an impact. I saw that Radmanovic had a pretty good weekend. If they defend Woosters guard and someone plays big inside the Monarchs might pull of an upset.

There has been a lot of love for MC lately on the board. Narch doesn't have to stand alone anymore.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 04:15:10 pm
I’m sitting here crunching numbers, trying to figure out how CNU can beat VWC tonight. 

The box score from last year’s game isn’t much help since CNU has so many new players, but some things do stand out –
CNU 52% fg for the game (not bad), but VWC 62%!!!
Rebounds even (Korey Lewis with ZERO rebounds in 16 minutes).
Rod Carey and Donta Selden were our best performers (Go Donta!).
We only attempted 6 3-pointers the entire game.  I’ve seen CNU games when we’ve taken that many in two possessions.  VWC made 10 of 15 and no player missed more than one. 
Hopeful idea from this data - maybe we can spread the floor some this year and shoot some treys instead of trying to pack it inside for the high percentage shot since that didn’t work.

Observing VWC’s season statistics from last year –
For a really good team they didn’t seem too dominating on the boards (35.3 to 33.5 advantage).  Adair was their top rebounder (7.8) with no on else collecting even 5 per game.  Their second rebounder graduated.  Maybe that’s why it seems like we went inside last year.
Deep.  They had 10 players with at least 10 min/gm and only one is not back.  Uh oh. 
Shot blocking (70-107 disadvantage). 
Hopeful idea from this data – maybe we can play the defensive game of our lives, collect the missed shots, and keep it close.

Observing stats from win over NCW –
VWC shot 60% fg, including 13 of 20 from looong.  Wow!
Outrebounded the Bishops 36-24.  Not too many boards for NCW when the Marlins make so many shots.
Very deep.  Nine players played at least 19 minutes.  They’re not going to wear out.
Hopeful idea from this data – we’re not the Bishops.

Observing stats from loss to Trinity –
VWC shot 41% fg, including only 3 of 18 on 3-ptrs.  Balenga 2 for 12 overall and 1 for 6 from long.  Hmmm.
Not so deep.  In a close game they only played five guys more than 17 minutes.  Maybe they’re deep when they have the luxury to be so.
One blocked shot.
4 steals.
Hopeful idea from this data – that our guys come out and fiercely contest everything that the Marlins do FROM THE OPENING TIP TO THE FINAL BUZZER, EVERY SINGLE SECOND. 

Go Captains!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 05:10:16 pm
As long as Marcus Fitch doesnt go from baseline to baseline for the winning lay up like he did here two years ago in overtime!! 

Captj, we need to meet tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 05:11:09 pm
Captj - what a waste of time....VWC is gonna crush CNU tonight.

Narch - I can actually see the validity in each perspective of champs vs co-champs.

Personally, I think the schools look at it this way (as do many fans).....If you are the team that makes it to post season, then you refer to yourself as THE champs. If you are they team that was co-champion, but had to sit home, then you publish/boast about being co-champ. I bet if CNU football had to sit home any of those years, the media guide would have said co-champs.

It's all a recruiting tool - in my limited opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 05:11:41 pm
Goose - just turnaround...Captj is in row 2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 05:28:02 pm
Figures you all sit together!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 05:30:13 pm
I'm in the last row!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 05:31:03 pm
Who's fault is that??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 05:34:26 pm
Goose -

We didn't even know each other until the last game. 

Buy a program and open it to the center spread... that's my smiling face there.  Introduce yourself when you recognize me.

I guess that all CNU fans will know who I am now.  That's OK, I'm proud to be CaptJ!!!!!

And 85; don't give up hope yet. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 05:49:10 pm
You used to email me all the time, didnt you??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 05:50:04 pm
Oh damn, the J gives it away, son of a......
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 22, 2005, 06:01:38 pm
anything can happen
go capts
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 22, 2005, 06:03:49 pm
goose gates open at 630 or 7 i need to go up and get tickets before the line gets to long.
damn i should have got my season tickets ???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 06:09:34 pm
Goose -

I'm not sure what e-mails you're talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 06:10:40 pm
You can get tickets anytime eddie!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 06:10:52 pm
Ok JB.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 06:14:11 pm
Goose -

You can't prove those e-mails were from me.

Seriously, you got the right guy but I don't know what e-mails you're talking about unless you're someone that I'm not expecting.  Oh!!! Are you FT?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 22, 2005, 06:15:31 pm
i dont have time goose
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 06:27:10 pm
Already used my freebies so I cant leave you any at the door. And no, Im not FT, ask CNU85, he knows who i am.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on November 22, 2005, 06:40:17 pm
Hello Bryan Booth –

Once more we have a new poster who doesn’t know that his profile contains pretty irrefutable proof of his identity.  It’s nice to put things in perspective, and it will be nice having a former player here as well. 

However, nothing one says on this board escapes scrutiny, as you will soon find out.  So let’s see… “Marcus still can't hit his fts”.   Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  You hit less than 45% of your freethrows last year, dude!  But I do remember that you’re a pretty good player, even if a little foul-prone.

“I think its about time the back to back to back, champs had more than one poster.”  OK, I see that (like narch) you have a very selective memory.  Let me remind you guys that in 02-03 Methodist and CNU were co-champions in the regular season and that CNU WON THE CONFERENCE TOURNAMENT AND WENT TO THE NCAA PLAYOFFS THAT YEAR!!!!!  No banner for Methodist that year.  So let’s just lay off the “3-time champ” and the “back to back to back” drivel. 



I wasn't trying to hide my ID.  If I was, I would have used a different Email. 

 Marcus goes to the line a lot.  If he can get his ft% up it'd be a real boost for the team.  Regardless of how well I shoot.   (Mr. Pot, please meet Mr. Kettle.)

Okay, the back to back to back thing was more or less a joke.  (A play on the Tom Emanski baseball videos...endorsed by Fred Mcgriff no less.)  Yes, when you break down the semantics its not the same, but co-reg-season champs just doesn't sound as good.


As far as Wooster goes, Everything I've seen tells me they're solid.  Hopefully Methodist will jump on them early.  I don't think they're the type of team you can play catch-up against. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 08:34:22 pm
Everything going VWC's way tonight. Getting all the breaks and taking advantage of them. 61-31 with 1339 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 08:38:57 pm
63-34 VWC with 11 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 08:42:34 pm
66-36 with 939 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 08:46:27 pm
68-44 with 657 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 09:00:50 pm
Final 80-61 VWC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 22, 2005, 09:15:57 pm
it seems like the coach doesnt know who to play.  we got back in the gameby pounding the ball down low.  but the slow start killed us.  vwc kept the best players on the floor to.  we did out score them in the secound half
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: daniel on November 22, 2005, 09:31:08 pm
Well i thought i would post after Va Southern, O.K I will be fair as I can, the posts after the first game were so far fetched I had a hard time reading them. I was there and after I saw the posts, not really sure what game they attended. I am a CNU fan trust me, but the things everyone said were totally fan based(liked if you really thought Virginia would beat Tech). CNU is the school that cannot keep players(more than 2or3) for the 4 year span. I will elaborate but I have kids that are crying, CNU, no disrespect,  never will you achievethe Golden Years, the academics are too hard, deep down everyone knows it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 09:49:09 pm
What would you like them listed as narch?? Considering there is no tournament in football. Any ideas??

how about i answer by quoting myself

co-champions are still champions
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 09:53:03 pm
OK, one hour and counting.  Anyone want to guess how long it will take narch to research the entire world wide web to find every single instance of CNU being in a scenario where we came up short in my “championship” criteria above?
no need...we simply disagree - you admit that there is some gray here, so maybe it's not so much drivel as it is opinion (i call it fact since the conference lists mc as regular season champs 3 straight years, albeit co-champs in one of those years) - don't make the mistake of confusing TOURNAMENT champions and REGULAR SEASON champions - i don't know of a conference in the country that considers the tourny champ to be the conference champ...that right belongs to the team(s) that earned it over the course of of the regular season...officially there is no tiebreaker in the usasac, so you can't just make one up, j

but let me ask a question:

if there is a $300 million lottery pot, and you have one of 2 winning tickets...did you win the lottery?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:14:18 pm
You sat POE TAY TOE i say POE TAH TOE.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:14:37 pm
daniel-
    Elaborate when the kids go to sleep please.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:19:55 pm
First half killed the Captains. VWC went up 21-0 before CNU gotta bucket with 1324 remaining. Turnovers killed them, thats for sure. Second half was a different story, still were careless with the ball but shot much better. I thought the line up of Dont'a, Davon, Coleman, Riley and Blasingame worked well as did Dont'a, Purdham, Davon, Riley and Coleman/Blasingame. I thought Blasingame played much better than he did against So. Virginia, I thought Dont'a stepped it up. Korey and Romeo were a non-factor. Can someone tell Korey to try a pump fake once in a while and stop fading away?? The kid's 6-5 or 6-6 and plays like he's 6-1 or 6-2!! Show some intestinal fortitude!! And Mike Witham, well, thats just another story in its self there. Edward Riley has the makings of something special and I hope he continues to play the way he has played in first two games for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 10:25:22 pm
bsquared (isoar) - what are you doing now - did i hear grad school? if so where and what degree?

re: your ft shooting...it wasn't pretty :), BUT hairston is a pg, you were a pf/c - the pg HAS to shoot a higher % if he's going to get the rock late in close games, otherwise he'll just be marching to the line in any late game situation

daniel - i'm interested in hearing this, as well - the way i see it, there are plenty of schools w/ difficult academics (cow, lvc, f&m, hsc, rmc, etc., etc. and the obvious choices like williams come to mind) that don't seem to have those problems - what exactly do you mean by "the academics are too hard"?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:30:03 pm
I think I know where your going with that narch and I couldnt agree more with you (wow, did I really say that?). I dont think there is such a thing as too hard a school. You just have to know where and how to recruit that type of kid. Smart, athletic cornfed white boys and quick smart players seem to be the way the HSC's and RMCs are going and have been going for quite sometime and they continue to have success day in and day out. Why cant CNU get that type of athlete. More of the private school players than public might be another direction to go in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 10:47:19 pm
I think I know where your going with that narch and I couldnt agree more with you (wow, did I really say that?). I dont think there is such a thing as too hard a school. You just have to know where and how to recruit that type of kid. Smart, athletic cornfed white boys and quick smart players seem to be the way the HSC's and RMCs are going and have been going for quite sometime and they continue to have success day in and day out. Why cant CNU get that type of athlete. More of the private school players than public might be another direction to go in.
skin color plays NO PART in my equation, but smarts do...last year 9 or 10 of mc's players were academic scholarship recipients...eugene grant is probably one of the brightest kids at mc - you don't have to be a "cornfed white boy" to stay in school for 4 years...so kindly, NO, you apparently DON'T know where i was going with that
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:54:24 pm
I was going to respond and I had something here but decided against it . Dont feel like getting into a pissing contest with you over something you didnt understand.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:55:18 pm
Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving Holiday.  Be back for the cake fest that is the CNU Invitational Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 11:00:35 pm
too hard of a school? where'd that come from? I don't think it's the academics that are making the kids leave before the 4 years is up. just ask:

Jordan Short - still a CNU student - not playing
Tim Collins - going to Radford (nice to see Tim at tonight's game!) Don't read any transfers into that - he's just in town watching a buddy play hoops.
Mark Hoeppner - West Virginia U

all for different reasons and none that I know of, are using the excuse CNU is too hard. I honestly think the reason some of these kids leave is that they and their families have issues with the coaching philosophy of the program. Plus, the dropping and restructuring of the academic programs made such that the kids realized they had to transfer to continue the academic path they initial chose. Face it, these kids aren't dumb and they realize the NBA is a far reach.


Now - on to tonight's game - down 21-0 to start. That was tough. CNU gets as close as 12 with a 30-12 run in the second half. At first I was wondering why VWC had their starters in when they were up by 30. I figured it was a message or return favor to CJ for something in the past. But maybe it was watching the film of the SoVa game when CNU came back a few times when down by 9 to win in OT.

Good - the kids don't give up. Coleman is going to be good. When he came in he shut down #50 for VWC. Riley is going to something to watch. Blasingame played much better, didn't seem lost. He just needs some more playing time. Barton shows flashes of a solid game, then has to let me know he's a freshman and makes a dumb play.

Not so good - the 21-0 start. Romeo and Lewis were playing like it was their first game of the year ( oh yeah - it was). Hint to the big men inside......do not dribble the ball once, not move, and expect to retain the ball!! I coached that to my 10 yr old team a few years back.

I made a comment to Tim Collin's dad that this is the first year in which I have season tickets that I have no expectatins from the team this year. This is truly a year of making adjustments and improvements to make noise in future years. I could be wrong. After all, I predicted CNU would lose by more than 20 tonight - and they only lost by 19!!

CJ said he hoped that VWC will be the toughest team all year. I hope so too.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 11:03:49 pm
Goose - I have to agree with Narch...I cringed when you said corn fed white boys....I cringed just as bad after 9/11 when Bush opened his mouth on the white house lawn and said we are on a "crusade" when talking about Islamic fundamentalists.....talk about the wrong word to use.

Oh - I think the guys I used in my example below...Short, Collins, Hoeppner - all ate corn!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 11:07:28 pm
For those travelling tomorrow for the holidays...be safe and have a great weekend. I'm done for the night......there's someone upstairs who is much nicer looking than you ugly people.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 22, 2005, 11:27:55 pm
Just got home from the Greensboro/Guilford doubleheader at the Greensboro Coliseum.  The Pride women came back from an 11-point halftime deficit to win 68-52 and the Quaker men put a thumping on Greensboro.  The men's final was 82-67, but Guilford was up 43-27 at the half and 60-35 before rotating almost everyone in and out of the game.  Ben Strong looked good as did Quaker freshman George Neville.  Not sure of the final stats, but it looked like the Quakers had a good shooting night behind the arc.

Both men's teams are now 2-1.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 11:30:15 pm
What a game tonight!  Spotting a top-20 team a 21 point lead to start the game is a recipe for disaster.

Random thoughts –

Six minutes into the game the scoreboard read 21-0.  VWC had the ball and I’m thinking to myself, “Oh, no.  They’re going to score another touchdown and we’ll be down by 28.

According to the radio broadcast we actually had MORE rebounds?!  It seemed like every time VWC missed a shot they got the board and a second chance.

Romeo and Lewis combine for 5?  These are the guys I picked for All-Conference honors?  I agree with Goose; Lewis needs to realize that he’s a really big dude, and then play like one.

I wish that I could easily compile data about how CNU starts games.  It seems to me that we typically start very, very slowly and then have to fight to come from behind.  Aren’t we prepared at the beginning?  Having the ability to adapt is admirable, but so is being prepared from the beginning.

Once again, we demonstrated huge heart coming back in the second half, but read my comment directly above once again.  We were out of this game before we had a chance.

Selden is a great 2 guard, a mediocre or poor 1 guard.

Even though VWC played their starters for the entire game, including during the 30-12 run we put on them, I’m concerned that they had lost interest a little bit by that time and that our comeback wasn’t so impressive after all.

I was really disappointed by Adair.  I was hoping to see All-American-level play tonight, but he seemed like just one of a whole bunch of really good players.  

CNU NEVER went to the free throw line!!!!  Read that again; CNU NEVER went to the free throw line!!!

Way too many turnovers.  Barton is going to be very, very good, but he was really tested tonight.  I still like his game a lot.  EVERYONE passed the rock like they couldn’t wait to get rid of it.  

And finally; it was nice to meet you, Goose.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 11:31:41 pm
Danny – patience, please.  Don’t let one loss against a good team cause you to lose faith in the entire program.  Yes, we are having growing pains, or evolution pains, or whatever else you want to call it, but do you think that 18-8 is that bad?  Are you only going to be a fan if the Captains win the conference and make it to the Elite Eight every year?  I’ll be a fan if we finish 8-18.  But you know what?  We’re not going to go 8-18.  We’re going to compete every year and we will definitely represent the conference in the NCAA’s (and often).

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 11:33:19 pm
narch, narch, narch –

What a question!  “if there is a $300 million lottery pot, and you have one of 2 winning tickets...did you win the lottery?”  Did you really ask that?  If I had one of those tickets I would be one rich mf, but I wouldn’t go around calling myself “Lottery Champion”.

The championship claim were talking about here is for the 02-03 season, when CNU was co-champion for the regular season AND tournament champion, AND went to the dance.  For the Monarchs to claim that one is a HUGE stretch in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 23, 2005, 08:20:57 am
j - last time i'll say this...feel free to make up your own criteria for conference championships, but you can't make your own rules and call the established rules drivel - i will continue to talk about the monarchs as 3 time defending champions because, quite honestly, that's what they are

I was going to respond and I had something here but decided against it . Dont feel like getting into a pissing contest with you over something you didnt understand.
goose - i apologize if i mis-understood your comments...not sure how else i could have read them, though - if you take the "cornfed white boys" statement out of your comment, i agree wholeheartedly...to be successful you need to have big, smart, athletic kids who stay in school for 4 years (regardless of skin color) - with those 3 words intact, what you are saying SEEMS a bit racist - i don't THINK that you intended it that way, and i'm not calling YOU racist...i simply wanted to make sure that everyone understood that, while you apparently thought you knew where i was going (and somehow race was intertwined ???), that you and i do not share the same views regarding racial make-up of successful basketball teams...my comment addressed the ability to have success on the court AND have smart kids who can handle academically rigorous environments, and nothing more - if those teams happen to be comprised of predominantly "cornfed white boys", it was not my intention to bring race into the equation whatsoever - give me a team FULL of seth thomas' and eugene grant's and i'll win a LOT of games
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 23, 2005, 08:55:12 am
OK, narch.  Methodist was the Dixie conference champion in basketball in 02-03.  Feel better?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 23, 2005, 10:05:21 am
. I dont think there is such a thing as too hard a school. You just have to know where and how to recruit that type of kid. Smart, athletic cornfed white boys and quick smart players seem to be the way the HSC's and RMCs  get that type of athlete.

Goose,

Please, could you further explain this quote I don't think I see where you are going with this. Why even bring up race?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 23, 2005, 02:36:42 pm
I come to the USA South site off and on to read about this conference's basketball teams.  Sometimes, I am lucky enough to see that actually being discussed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 23, 2005, 02:58:18 pm
hasanova - i hear ya...we're just much more well-rounded than simply talking hoops :)

in the past i have been very critical of ncwc and their scheduling...it's been pretty poor...but i've got to give props to coach thompson for coming out of the gate with trinity and vwc, two very good regional programs and continuing with games against goucher (18 game winners last year), roanoke and mary wash (not to mention vwc again) - i think this will pay dividends for his young team come conference time...they could be scary or they could get beat so much that they lose some confidence - this is the type of schedule ncwc SHOULD have played when they had a veteran team (when sudler and blue were sr's)...that team was loaded with talent, but wasn't prepared to play at a high level, in my opinion
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on November 23, 2005, 05:36:11 pm
apparnetly on this board the averett vs. Lynchburg classic game didnt happen! but congratulations to averett on the win yesterday! they started off bad defensively and Lynchburg was running them off hteir own court then Jimmy Allen called a TO and must ahve said something that really hit a nerve with the players and their defensive intensity picked up immediately. That TO was the key to Averett making the come back. If it had not been for that TO the defense may have still struggled and allowed Lynchburg to further increase the lead. The second half was adefensive struggle with Lynchburg only allowing Averett to score 24 points in the half, which allowed Lynchburg to make their own comeback. Within  1:30 of the clock, COrey McDaniel hit a huge 3 pointer for Averett, then Pete Manos answered with a huge 3 of his own 14 seconds later to tie up the game.  Pat Prior made a layup with 26.5 seconds left on the clock, giving the ball to Averett to hold for the last shot. With 17 seconds left Cory McDaniel got an offensive rebound off a missed Sterling Williams jumper. With about 7 seconds or so left in the game we pressured the ball near the top of the key and got a deflection. Cory McDaniel happened to be lucky enough to be in the spot where the deflection went and he grabbed it and hoisted up a deep deep 3 pointer and amde it with no time left on the clock. Cory McDaniel came up huge for Averett, if it hadn't have been for that clutch shooting of his within the last 2 minutes Lynchburg would have erned their first win.  Hard fought game by both teams.  Both teams put forth the kind of effort that would win a lot of games, unfortunately though someone had to lose the game. Congrats to the cougars!

by the way, andrew borr went down with injury on the last play before the half and didn't return in the second half. he was sitting on the bench the half with ice on his ankle. i have no idea what happened, but the injury must have been kind of serious to keep him out for the whole second half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 25, 2005, 06:05:43 pm
goose who is winning the first game and do u know anything about st. josephs of vermont
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 25, 2005, 07:48:15 pm
Sorry I missed your post Eddie. But Capts up big now, 35-13 on St. Joe's of Vt.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 25, 2005, 07:55:26 pm
CNU now up 44-21 with 555 remaining in the first half. Sean Branch and Billy McShepard are getting their first action in a CNU uniform now. Ill give another update at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 25, 2005, 08:09:14 pm
At the half, CNU leads 54-31. Everyone, and I mean everyone got in the game in the first half for CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 25, 2005, 09:00:30 pm
Final 103-63 CNU will play So. Virginia in a rematch from last Friday at 730 pm on Saturday. Everyone played and all but one scored.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 25, 2005, 09:13:23 pm
goose i was at the game.  i wanted to know who won the first game.  even though it was against a wesk team mcsheperd looked nice on the floor.  he could cause some match up problems for other teams.  i want to see him in a game that is good to see if he can play as good.  he got  the crowd up a couple of times
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 25, 2005, 10:11:58 pm
Hey Goose...I think had the game gone a couple minutes longer....you and FT would've gotten some time.
 :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 25, 2005, 11:04:11 pm
Your not lyin there that was a murdering.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 26, 2005, 12:19:23 am
If FT ever brought the ball up court, he'd have to stop at the becnh on the way to half court to get oxygen!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 26, 2005, 12:00:34 pm
some observations from the game last night. First of all it was against a very weak team...very very weak...2-21 last year.

These observations are made based on what I have seen so far, and I fully understand that things will change when the conference games begin.

I see a team that doesn't quit, has a lot of heart, and seems to have the basis for a nice unit when the chemistry starts to click. I also do not see that much of a drop off in most cases when the bench gets into the game. That could signify one of two things (possibly more - I can only think of 2) - 1. depth or 2. a consistently weak team. I'm holding out for option #1.

The players:
Romeo - he can play. not much more to say.
Lewis - can play, but also I think he could play better. I hope he realizes soon that he is a senior and a team leader.
Selden - seems more comfortable this year and more aware of the entire court. I think he is a great complement to Barton.
Davon Barton - If he continues his level of play into the conference games he will hands down win Rookie of the Year.
Blasingame - has taken giant leaps since opening night. He is very aggressive. I have also noticed during warmups that he has a sweet outside shot...I hope he pops a few.
Riley - I think he could start a few games by year end. Comes off the bench well. He is also very aggressive.
Witham - good bench player. doesn't make mistakes, plays hard.
Dickerson - nice shot...seems like a quiet kid. I'll keep watching his play. He's only a So.
McShepherd...last night was his first game...12 points. goes to the hoop VERY strong.....and did you see the first time he touched the ball? Rebound in the key, dribbled downcourt, through traffic and layed it up...all 6-9 185lbs. Put 40 pounds on this kid and watch out. I was remined on that play (just reminded - not saying he is) of Ralph Sampson....big guy who could handle the ball.
Jared Boone - only guy not to score....but he played well off the ball. Very quick. Somewhat eager last night. He had a foul in which if it had occurred anywhere else besides a basketball court, he would be in jail for assualt. He flew into a rebound situation like Hong Kong Phooey!! Legs and arms flailing all over the place.
Kraut - seems to see the court well. Moves good without the ball.
Coleman - another nice player to come off the bench. He also moves to the hoop very well.
Sean Branch - I think he saw action for the first time last night at PG. He was ok....he needs more time. Was aware fo the court, but the speed of the college game was more than he is used to.
Purdham - he has picked up his offensive game. He was always a good D player...now he has been given the opporunity to play O.....he plays very well when Romeo is on the court.

We'll see how these observations hold up come crunch conferenc time.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 26, 2005, 12:41:14 pm
What is the story on the neutral site tournament that CNU and Greensboro will be playing in Myrtle Beach on 12/20-21?  The other two teams are Lincoln and Keystone (two good teams from PA).  It appears that there is no home team.  Are the folks in Myrtle Beach so hoops-starved that they bring in outside teams for their own tournament?  There are lots of neutral sites much more convenient to all of these teams (like the DC area).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 26, 2005, 12:42:38 pm
Prediction for tonight -

CNU 82
SoVA 68
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 26, 2005, 03:03:50 pm
captj-
   CNU is the unofficial host of the tournament. From what Ive heard, The Capts are the quote un quote hosts and have to provide many of the necessities much like a home game. Should at least be fun, getting out Newport News for once and thank god its in Myrtle Beach, cant get in to too much trouble there!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 26, 2005, 08:10:04 pm
Captains lead at the break 41-38. Lots of sloppy play early but Barton is having another stellar  game in double figures already and dishing out some nice dimes!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 26, 2005, 09:21:47 pm
Final CNU 77-68. Romeo with 21, Barton had 16, 10 assists, six boards and five steals. Selden added 13 points, six rebounds and five steals. Edward Riley added 11 points.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 26, 2005, 09:30:57 pm
As I left the game I noticed the ambulance taking Barton to the hospital. Let's pray he's ok!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 26, 2005, 10:50:45 pm
monarchs lose by 14, 77-63 to #3 wooster...no details

hope barton is alright
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 26, 2005, 10:54:18 pm
So do we. Not exactly sure what happend, but I know he and another So. VA player collided and he went down like quicker than you can shake a stick at. Not sure if got hit in the "mommy/daddy button." Poor attempt at humor from an Austin Powers movie.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 12:59:17 am
Goose -

Since you're so close to the team we're going to depend on you letting us know about Barton when you have info.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 27, 2005, 01:19:46 am
What is the story on the neutral site tournament that CNU and Greensboro will be playing in Myrtle Beach on 12/20-21?  The other two teams are Lincoln and Keystone (two good teams from PA).  It appears that there is no home team.  Are the folks in Myrtle Beach so hoops-starved that they bring in outside teams for their own tournament?  There are lots of neutral sites much more convenient to all of these teams (like the DC area).
Evidently, they have this tournament every year.  I know Guilford played there a few years ago.  The Quakers played North Central and Goucher - not sure who the fourth team was. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 10:01:28 am
Are there no hoops in Myrtle Beach?  I'm not familiar with the area, but it seems like they should have colleges near by.  If CNU is the "home" team, does that mean that we have to bring hardwood and backboards with us?  Regardless, it's nice of the folks down south to have us, and our guys can sure use the road time, even if it won't be to a hostile environment.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 10:07:11 am
Goose -

The DP article suggests that you might be right about the mommy/daddy button.  I don't know if that's better or worse than what we were all fearing as he lie on the floor clutching his knee.  I can't imagine the horror of a knee to the nads so bad that it required a trip to the hospital.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 10:09:37 am
narch -

How did your guys play?  Do you have a report for us?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 10:27:59 am
My prediction for the CNU-SoVA game was close.  I called the SoVA score (68) and would have gotten CNU's right also if we could make free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 27, 2005, 11:03:44 am
I think  it was a lil worse than it appeared captj.

And no they dont have to bring the hardwood and backboards!! I do know its in a high school gym tho.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 27, 2005, 11:10:21 am
myrtle beach has div 1 coastal carolina nearby, and that's about it for college hoops in the area

looks like the monarchs got a nice game from craig moore with 16 and 9, but not much else to write home about - here is the game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/wooster.htm) and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm1126.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 11:27:12 am
Goose -

E-mail more news to me.  Or get my telephone number out of the program and call me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 27, 2005, 08:41:32 pm
monarchs get a nice regional win vs. thomas more, 82-72 - b. williams puts up 21 on 8-9 shooting - 2nd straight night one of the 4's has led the monarch charge offensively

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/thomasmore.htm)

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm1127.htm)

i like the shooting %'s, both offensively and on defense - too many to's and ft shooting needs to improve...gotta fix that before sunday's rematch w/ m'ville

mcbryde had a nice game, and he, williams & moore combined for 38 pts & 14 rebs...need that type of production from those 3 more often
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 08:38:25 am
Pending news about Davon Barton, I’m going to go ahead and give my random thoughts on SoVA II –

Can we buy a free throw please?

Good intensity on the defensive end for most of the game. 

I have never seen a team miss so many one foot shots and lay ups.  And I’m not talking about just this one game.  Adam Purdham has been a solid, workman-like player for a long time, but what was that little flick-of-the-wrist flourish to put spin on a wide-open lay up in crunch time?  The spin caused it to bounce off the glass long.  Note to all Captains; fancy hot-dogging doesn’t impress us, clutch buckets do.

Give Romeo a split second and he’ll hit nothing but net.

The zebras were abysmal, as usual.  When the ball hits the chest of the player in green and goes out of bounds, possession goes to the team in white.  The contact that they allowed was incredible, and Barton is now paying for it.  Blasingame took a shot to the eye that caused the game to be stopped so that he could have the trainers stop the blood flow, but no call!  But, until the officials learn to call a game correctly, we need to learn to play with the same level of aggression that the opposing team uses. 

Blasingame played very well and seems to have the best free throw touch on the team, but he was on the bench at the end when SoVA turned it into a rugby scrum to get back in it.  Test him now, CJ.

Waaaaaay too many turnovers.  A lot of them were by Barton (bad passes, ill-advised passes).  I can live with those because he’s very young and will improve with time, and the rest of his game is most often spectacular.

I still love the heart of this team.  They play with a lot of emotion and give it everything they’ve got.  I saw a lot more consistent an effort than the first time we played these guys.  I can’t wait until we’ve got the rotations figured out because it seems like we are going to be a deep team at most positions.

And finally; we’re praying for you Davon. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 08:57:28 am
What’s up with my karma now?  First Goose, then me.  I’ve had three hits in the last couple of days.  Wadidido?  Wadidido?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 10:15:17 am
Good news about Davon Barton –

An inside source just gave me an update on Davon.  From a very selfish, fans perspective, the news is good.  The injury was not to the knee and will not keep him out of the lineup for long.  It was a painful injury to be sure, and I am having sympathy pains myself just thinking about it, but the bottom line is that he will be fine and is no longer in pain.  In fact, I was told that when he was in the ambulance and heard his name announced as an all-tournament selection he asked the EMT if he could go back in to get his trophy.  Big-time courage and intestinal fortitude.  The rest of you USASAC fans are in for a treat because you are going to love this guy’s game. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 28, 2005, 11:43:27 am
Narch,

I agree with you if Moore, Williams, and McBryde give MC that kind of effort every night they'll tough to stop come conference play. Tough schedule for the monarchs coming up D1 App State, Maryville , Mobile and VW coming up in the near future. Hopefully it will make them stronger for the conference run.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 04:40:57 pm
Way too much time on my hands.  Actually, this took about five minutes with a spreadsheet.  By calculating the points per minute played (and) the rebounds per minute played, and then multiplying those values by 32 minutes, you have an approximation of what the different players would be doing given equal playing time.  32 minutes is a little bit more than the highest actual value among all of our players, so I used that.  Points and rebounds per 40 minutes would also work.

Name      pts/32min      reb/32min

Romeo                      17.5                2.9
Barton                       16.0                4.9
Riley                          15.1                8.2
Selden                       14.1                 5.6
Coleman                    13.7                10.2

Dickerson                    10.4                 4.3
Lewis                          9.4                  3.9
Blasingame                  8.2                  8.6
Witham                       7.3                  7.3
Purdham                     6.4                  4.0

There are some interesting observations –

Coleman is playing very, very well.

Romeo needs to go to the boards more.

Blasingame is going to be a solid player.  I can’t wait to see this guy in a couple of years.  Freshmen are seldom impact players in the post and he could be this year.  He reminds me so much of another freshman named Mark that would still be on our team this year if we hadn’t lost our Leisure Studies program.  I think he even wears the same number.

Purdham’s numbers are surprising.  He has hit some very clutch shots for us and plays D very well.  I wish everyone on the team hustled every second of the game like he does.

Selden’s numbers are also surprising.  I thought they would be higher.  He too has hit some very clutch shots for us and goes to the boards like he was 6 inches taller.  I believe that he thinks he’s 6-6.

I’m disappointed in Lewis, but I’m sure that his game will pick up soon.  He’s too good for it not to.

If you look at the 2nd five statistically, three of them have started multiple games.  I’d like to see these two fives practice against each other, although that 2nd five would definitely need help at the point.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 28, 2005, 04:51:33 pm
housing market must be slow
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 04:53:59 pm
You got that right.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 04:55:26 pm
"mcbryde had a nice game, and he, williams & moore combined for 38 pts & 14 rebs...need that type of production from those 3 more often"

I'm not seeing your point narch.  I looked at your box score and these guys combined played 54 minutes.  Those combined stats (38/14) WOULD be great over 40 minutes if they played the same position and subbed for each other, but I'm not sure how valuable it is to just add three players stats together.  Tell us WHY these combined stats mean something.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 28, 2005, 05:28:33 pm
Congrats to Romeo and Barton.....Romeo was named player of the week....not sure why, his stats were ok...12 ppg and 4 reb pg. Barton wins rookie of the week for the second straight week.

A week until the next hoops game....good thing I have 3 players on my fantasy team in tonight's MNF game. It'll keep me busy tonight until I fall asleep. This old guy almost never makes it past halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 28, 2005, 08:57:01 pm
Tell us WHY these combined stats mean something.
because they are 3 guys (along with mcevoy) who will play the 4 and 5 positions for the monarchs...the biggest positional question marks coming into the season -  they are also 3 guys who played sparingly (williams and moore) or not at all (mcbryde...he's a frosh) last season - when they start consistently producing, become threats offensively and can control the boards, it will allow thomas, grant and lee to play more effectively on the outside - and when radmanovic steps up and plays to his capability, it will make 5 positions that teams will have to defend...difficult to do - if they DON'T step up, it will make life difficult on the perimeter players - geez, captj, this seems like hoops 101 to me...i thought you were in hoops grad school :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 29, 2005, 09:04:48 am
narch –

No way, man.  I’m still taking 300-level classes.  I guess that if your 101-level ideas escape me it’s because I’ve learned (or failed to) at a lousy public school. :)

Here’s my point.  You selected three of several players that play the two post positions and combined their stats from one game in an attempt to ascertain the strength of those positions.  But why those three and not all?  Why leave out McEvoy and Dragen?  Unless Dragen’s definitively a three, which he might be, but I always saw Thomas as your three. 

Here’s what I see from the stats of that one game –

Williams, Radmanovich, McBryde, Moore, and McEvoy as a group played 77 minutes, just about right for the two positions.  So let’s look at THEIR combined stats, not just three of them.  41 points, 19 rebounds, or 50% and 40% of the team’s totals respectively.  From a scoring perspective you’ve got to be thrilled that your “concern” positions are scoring so much.  Rebounding is a very different story.  The two post players should (in my opinion) clear at least 60% of the boards.

But this is just one game, and unfortunately, we can’t do the same thing for the season since these five guys have only combined for 26% of the team’s total minutes, not 40%.  What THAT means to me is that the Monarchs have gone light (or speed) for most of the games and that the two positions might still be a concern.  Maybe Coach Smith should go ahead and pull the trigger on playing the bigger guys more since it seemed to work against Thomas More.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 29, 2005, 09:11:45 am
Ya captj you must be bored and a sure sign there is no men's bball game till Sat!! Guess you wont be making it to tonight's women's game!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 29, 2005, 09:12:41 am
When one of the women throw one down I'll start going to those games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 29, 2005, 09:14:46 am
And beeside, narch chalungd my hoops nawlidg.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 29, 2005, 10:26:42 am
captj - i guess i "singled" those three out because i wanted to point out a positive development in their play over the weekend and hoped for continued development and production from them (which is basically what i said in the original post) - i think they hold a real key to the monarchs success, and if mc can get 38 pts and 14 rebs (or more) from them, i think they'll win a lot of games - and you are correct, radmanovich is a 4...his game is more that of a 3, so i tend to forget he's a pf
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 29, 2005, 10:57:12 am
Prediction on the AppSt game narch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 29, 2005, 11:23:08 am
Curry should be a good test for the Captains this Saturday.  They had a decent (15-11) year last year but have only played two games (1-1) this year.  They play two tough ones this week before coming here.  Springfield and Trinity (Conn.) should have them softened a little bit for us, and the trip from Mass. will be tough on them too.  But if they can at least split those two games they should ride in here feeling pretty full of themselves.  Overall, they seem like a great team to be playing at this point in our young team’s development, but I frankly wish that the game was in their gym.  Sure, I'd miss seeing a game, but we could use the road-toughening.  We should have more time to prepare for them than they will for us, so I'll predict a win based on that and the fact that we'll be in the Friendly Freeman.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 29, 2005, 01:24:32 pm
Davon Barton is back and will practice today!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 29, 2005, 01:51:41 pm
Well duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 30, 2005, 12:15:28 am
Curry lost to Springfield tonight and their next opponent (Trinity, CT) just beat a very good Western Conn. team tonight, so it's looking like they will be coming into Newport News either very fired up to get back on the winning track (or) very down on themselves.  I hope they come in and give us everything they've got.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 30, 2005, 08:07:42 am
Prediction on the AppSt game narch?
asu 78 - mc 57
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 30, 2005, 10:57:56 am
I think your guys will do better than that. Less than 15 point delta.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 30, 2005, 01:15:31 pm
i'd like a less than 15 point loss...really, i'd like a win, but i'm a realist - asu has a phenom at pg...he's 5'8" but averaging 25.3 ppg/4.3 rpg on the season and shooting over 46% from 3...he'll be a tough match-up for any of our guards, but i'd bet lee gets him for a good portion of the game - if there was going to be an upset, it would be for this reason...app is young - they have 4 frosh in the regular rotation- those 4 are pretty good, though, from what i can tell - they are a small d1, but they'd be a pretty big d3 - center is 6'9"/225 and his back up is 6'8"/250, pf is 6'7"/230, sf is 6'5"/215...we'll see - if nothing else, it will be a great way to prepare mc for m'ville on sunday (a game which, sadly, i have to miss  :()
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 30, 2005, 06:27:21 pm
I think they'll do well, narch.  I checked out AppSt on their website and it seems like they're not just young, but that they are a perimeter-strong team like yours is.  You never know, especially when teams match up well strength-to-strength.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 30, 2005, 08:26:53 pm
I just checked tonight's slate of games and see that SoVA plays Averett.  I guess they just can't get enough of USASAC teams.  They'll do no better tonight, even if Averett doesn't have Boor back yet.  I sure hope he makes it back by conference time.  I always liked his game because of his intensity.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 30, 2005, 11:09:54 pm
Whats wrong with Boor??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 08:52:26 am
Someone had posted earlier that he went down with an ankle injury.  I checked the box scores from their last couple of games and he didn't play.

Helloooooo.......... any Averett poster sout there?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 01, 2005, 09:15:11 am
Ya right, good luck with that!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 01, 2005, 09:16:33 am
Speaking of Averett, the Cougars shoot 59% for the game and beat So. Va 104-66.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2005, 09:41:57 am
Speaking of Averett, the Cougars shoot 59% for the game and beat So. Va 104-66.
I've seen two boxscores from Averett games this season - versus Lynchburg and Southern Virginia - but I haven't seen the Cougars play this year.   Averett beat LC at the buzzer, but so far the Hornets appear to be a second tier ODAC team.  Any predictions for the style of play and outcome when Averett visits Guilford on January 4th?  So far, the Quakers are 3-1 (lost to NAIA DII #6 Embry-Riddle on the road) and just came off a wild 147-136 road win over Emory & Henry last night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 11:17:56 am
Wow, Averett destroyed SoVA.  Not only were they 59% fg for the game, they were 59% on threes also (16 for 27).   AND held SoVA to 34% fg for the game.  Captains should NOT be feeling too proud of their two closely contested, home wins against SoVA.  I am so glad that we play our conference games after the non-conference games.  We've got a long way to go before we're ready for our conference schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 11:21:41 am
And by the way, Boor did not play.  Uh oh.  How good would they have been with him?  It's very early, but I'm feeling good about my prediction that Averett would finish 2nd in conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 01, 2005, 11:56:22 am
Speaking of Averett, the Cougars shoot 59% for the game and beat So. Va 104-66.
I've seen two boxscores from Averett games this season - versus Lynchburg and Southern Virginia - but I haven't seen the Cougars play this year.   Averett beat LC at the buzzer, but so far the Hornets appear to be a second tier ODAC team.  Any predictions for the style of play and outcome when Averett visits Guilford on January 4th?  So far, the Quakers are 3-1 (lost to NAIA DII #6 Embry-Riddle on the road) and just came off a wild 147-136 road win over Emory & Henry last night.

Averett has a somewhat Princeton-esque offense. They really like the backdoor cuts. THey are extrmely effective at it.  Their post players don't have a lot of muscle and arent the typical back to the basket players. They like to get the ball away from the basket and take midrange jumpers to allow space underneath for the backdoor cut.  They are much improved with the 3 point shooting. They have this one whjite kid (forgot name or number) that is very good at draining the 3. You have to close out on this kid fast and contest the shot or else because he''s got the green light to take the 3, and he's going to make it most of the time. I think he may be #24. THey also have a bunch of other good 3 point shooters as well. They don't really have any one standout player thats going to take over every game, but they are a deep and balanced team with 5 or 6 players capable of scoring in double figures. They have some pretty athletic guys that will not hesitate to dunk the ball with ease if given the opportunity. They are a pretty good rebounding team. THey don't have any one guy that's going to be averaging a ton of rebounds, but their guards crash the boards pretty well.  Their OPG, Sterling Williams, can be turnover prone too. He's averaging a little over 4 turnovers a game and he had 8 turnovers against Lynchburg. He really seems to get aggravated when you pressure him a lot and play good defense on him, which is reasonable, but he shows it and you can probably use that to your advantage to force him int stupid fous and maybe some technical fouls. Defensively they like to use some full court pressure. Lynchburg was able to beat the pressure relatively easily most of the time, but at times you could see that it bothered us a little. I don't know if their press is kinda weak or if it was just our game though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2005, 12:10:38 pm
Scottie, thanks for your assessment of Averett.  I believe the Quakers will try to force a faster tempo against the Cougars, especially at home.  Last night's game versus E&H in Emory (no less) proved, I think, that the Quakers can win with that strategy.  No offense meant to Southern Virginia, but I am using the Lynchburg game as a barometer of Averett's talent and athleticism.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 01:30:21 pm
'nova - scottie's assesment is pretty solid - i wouldn't call the offense a princeton offense...it's more motion with some back-doors, so i guess it is "princeton-esque" in that regard - they are playing a couple of frosh (2 bigs and a guard), so no usasac team has really seen the full capability of this team - they were very limited offensively last year, but that doesn't seem to be the case this year, judging by the shooting %'s and scores - they DID play nasty defense last year, but i read scottie's assesment of their game with rmc on the odac board, and he doesn't seem to think they play hard on the defensive end...i'll reserve judgement until i see that myself - with exception of oglethorp and rmc, they've held the other 4 opponents to 68, 66, 62 and 54...pretty solid - sterling williams is their best perimeter player, and is nice on both ends - scottie mentions his turnover problems, but doesn't mention a solid 1.5:1 assist/turnover ratio...i like williams' game a lot - i think your quackers will have a tough time with them...should be a good game

as an aside, when are the quackers going to play the monarchs? i've heard they use some lame excuse about "too many conference games, not enough non-conference dates" when mc talks to them about a game, yet i see some naia programs on the gcq schedule - you do your part with the quacker coaches, and i'll do mine with the monarch coaches, and let's make this happen :) - no excuse for these teams to not play every year, especially with so much cross-recruiting (mostly won by the quackers the last few years ie: 2 mc transfers, strong and kimbrough)

re: averett - something about their start is reminding me of ferrum in football - i said after the 3rd or 4th game that ferrum scared me, and lo and behold they end up 9-1 and usasac champs from out of nowhere...averett's start is scaring me, as well, although not as much - in my mind i know they play strong defense (scottie's assesment notwithstanding) and they seem to have found some offensive spark now (and without boor, as captj pointed out) ..could be a recipe for a strong conference push - your prediction might just be right, captj
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 02:02:27 pm
game notes for the asu/mc match-up (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/Game%20Notes%20-%20Appalachian%20State.pdf) - should be interesting...wouldn't it be nice to see that espn scroll tonight and see mc leading and eventually winning - i, for one, would really like to see that and the front page coverage on d3hoops.com - not exactly holding my breath, but it would be nice...more importantly, i hope to log on to d3hoops.com on sunday evening and see that the monarchs have upended a very good m'ville team...that would be SUPER nice :)

the game notes list robert lee as a probable starter tonight...i suspect that is primarily for the defensive pressure he can provide on the pg for asu, but i hope that is a long-term deal for the monarchs - no disrespect meant to hairston, but i love lee's game on both ends...lee is not a true pg as hairston is, and it forces grant to play pg, but i think hairston is better coming off the bench and providing some energy, while lee's defense and shooting ability really can stretch an opposing defense, allowing guys like thomas and the post players more room to work - go monarchs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2005, 02:23:10 pm
Narch - Yeah, I know both Palombo and AD Kirby, so I'll mention it to them.  Guilford does have 18 conference games, but it does look like Methodist is a better fit than some of the nonconference games they do play.  Not sure about Palombo's overall scheduling strategy, but Kirby should be tight with the USASAC guys after all his years as football coach at Greensboro.  Funny thing, all four recent nonconference football games are against the USASAC, but only two of the seven available nonconference basketball games.  Certainly, travel costs aren't as big a deal for basketball as they are for football.  Palombo seems to like to take the guys on a trip out of state at least once and also schedule his old midwestern foes in Greensboro during Christmas (he was at Defiance).  The Pride, by the way, usually alternate with the Quakers on these two opponents.  Two years ago the Quakers played Hiram and last year UW-La Crosse and Case-Western Reserve during the holidays.  This year it's Ohio Dominican and Heidelberg.  I don't remember a game against Methodist since the Monarchs had a player who was the younger brother of one of Duke's stars (help me out on the names please lol) and that's been many years ago.  It seems like a natural intrastate rivalry to me, too.  We also always seem to have one or two DI teams on the schedule each season.  Although it would be great if the Quakers ever beat one of those teams, I personally think it's better to give your guys a fair shot at a victory within your own division.  I can't believe the money for a Guilford game at Elon, Western Carolina, East Tennessee, Wofford or UNC-G is worth it.
 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 01, 2005, 05:19:20 pm
Even CJ stated after the second SoVa game that had it been a conference game "we would have had our ears pinned".....I think he used an incorrect phrase. The context of the phrase was centered around discussion of the turnovers and having too many mistakes. Had that game been against a conference opponent we would have lost. We can be confident against SoVa, St Joseph's and MAryland Bible...but we had better get the kinks worked out before we hit the floor against a conference foe.  Maybe CJ knows what he's doing with these easy non-conf games.....?....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 06:08:49 pm
Perhaps.  As long as there are some "reality check" games thrown in the mix, which there are.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 06:11:22 pm
I would be relieved and pleased (big time!) if we came out of Myrtle Beach as tourny champ.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 06:13:17 pm
Go Monarchs!  Tip off less than an hour away, narch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 01, 2005, 07:32:57 pm
'nova - scottie's assesment is pretty solid - i wouldn't call the offense a princeton offense...it's more motion with some back-doors, so i guess it is "princeton-esque" in that regard - they are playing a couple of frosh (2 bigs and a guard), so no usasac team has really seen the full capability of this team - they were very limited offensively last year, but that doesn't seem to be the case this year, judging by the shooting %'s and scores - they DID play nasty defense last year, but i read scottie's assesment of their game with rmc on the odac board, and he doesn't seem to think they play hard on the defensive end...i'll reserve judgement until i see that myself - with exception of oglethorp and rmc, they've held the other 4 opponents to 68, 66, 62 and 54...pretty solid - sterling williams is their best perimeter player, and is nice on both ends - scottie mentions his turnover problems, but doesn't mention a solid 1.5:1 assist/turnover ratio...i like williams' game a lot - i think your quackers will have a tough time with them...should be a good game

as an aside, when are the quackers going to play the monarchs? i've heard they use some lame excuse about "too many conference games, not enough non-conference dates" when mc talks to them about a game, yet i see some naia programs on the gcq schedule - you do your part with the quacker coaches, and i'll do mine with the monarch coaches, and let's make this happen :) - no excuse for these teams to not play every year, especially with so much cross-recruiting (mostly won by the quackers the last few years ie: 2 mc transfers, strong and kimbrough)

re: averett - something about their start is reminding me of ferrum in football - i said after the 3rd or 4th game that ferrum scared me, and lo and behold they end up 9-1 and usasac champs from out of nowhere...averett's start is scaring me, as well, although not as much - in my mind i know they play strong defense (scottie's assesment notwithstanding) and they seem to have found some offensive spark now (and without boor, as captj pointed out) ..could be a recipe for a strong conference push - your prediction might just be right, captj

Defensively, at least when we played @ Averett, their defense was kinda good. I think their full court pressure will be effective against teams, but it never seemed to be all that effective against us, but we haven't really had any problems with full court pressure all season though, so it's tough to make a good call on that. But after seeing just how well macon can shoot (and i'm not exaggerating when I say they are one of the best shooting teams i have ever seen), I'd have to say that there isn't much you can do to prevent macon from filling up the box scores when they are making their shots. Basially, when they start making a high percentage of their shots you are done because they are going to keep making them for the entire game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 01, 2005, 07:50:19 pm
Ya well Im really scared of several teams. Carnegie Mellon for one, who is 5-0 right now. We could match up with an Eastern Conn. team in the tourny. And of course Lincoln who's 5-1 and no pushover and Keystone, even though they are 2-3. There are and could be four tough games between the end of the year and Jan 14. And not too mention a Frostburg St. team who beat us on their floor last year and to top it off the bus broke down on the way home and it snowed its arse off the whole way home too. Thank god I wasnt on that bus.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 09:22:00 pm
monarchs lose by 18 - a couple of bright spots, looking at the box score (http://stats.goasu.com/mbasketball/xindiv.htm)

now the bad

alright boys, learn from this and beat maryville on sunday!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 09:36:58 pm
just read the game story (http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50018)...i think sid lee wright read my post before writing his release :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 01, 2005, 09:40:30 pm
methodist players played a combined 199 minutes. appalachian state players played a combined 201 minutes. how does that work?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 09:56:23 pm
methodist players played a combined 199 minutes. appalachian state players played a combined 201 minutes. how does that work?
sth - the ncaa doesn't want d3's to beat d1's, so they allow the d1 team to play 1 minute at the beginning of each half w/o the other team on the floor...asu scored 22 points in those 2 minutes, so really the monarchs would have won were it not for this quirky rule...you'll see when lc plays jerry falwell u
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 01, 2005, 09:58:12 pm
methodist players played a combined 199 minutes. appalachian state players played a combined 201 minutes. how does that work?
sth - the ncaa doesn't want d3's to beat d1's, so they allow the d1 team to play 1 minute at the beginning of each half w/o the other team on the floor...asu scored 22 points in those 2 minutes, so really the monarchs would have won were it not for this quircky rule...you'll see when lc plays jerry falwell u

your math doesnt add up here! one minute each half? that would mean that methodist would have only played 198 minutes! :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 10:06:17 pm
Good effort Monarchs.  Sounds like there were lots of positives (very balanced scoring, few turnovers, consistent effort).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 10:07:30 pm
sorry, i meant the first minute of the FIRST HALF...and somehow an extra minute for the d1...it's a very obscure and hard to understand rule, scottie...you'll see when lc plays jerry's kids :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 02, 2005, 11:21:10 am
Hey Narch:  I missed Maryville's only home game to date and have not seen them this year.  Several times they have had five people in double figures, with both inside and outside players involved.  Teams have tried zone but Mason and Calloway have stepped up and hit from outside.  Blair and Golden have been able to score inside.  Holliday is probably the best defender.  They are scoring a lot of points, but so are the other teams.   The one key starter you did not face last year is Jonathan Johnson, a slasher type with good D who plays wing. 

I guess neither of us really will know much for sure even after Sunday, as I cannot make it and I think you said you could not either.   I hate having to rely on stats and other people's opinions!

Will there be a Methodist broadcast?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 02, 2005, 01:27:18 pm
scottiedoug - thanks for the scouting report...i'm SICK that i won't be there on sunday...i've had that date circled since the schedule came out, but professional obligations call - the mc sid is going to call me at half-time and at the conclussion of the game to give me updates, though :) - i'm not aware of any hoops broadcasts this year...not sure why, but i don't think any games are being broadcast as of now, and i doubt anything could be pulled together before sunday - i have talked to some folks who have seen m'ville play, and the consensus is that there hasn't been much (if any) drop-off in quality vs. last year...they're a little different team, but still very, VERY good - a monarch win would be HUGE
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 02, 2005, 01:29:30 pm
sorry, i meant the first minute of the FIRST HALF...and somehow an extra minute for the d1...it's a very obscure and hard to understand rule, scottie...you'll see when lc plays jerry's kids :)

Sounds confusing, but it is the NCAA, so it has to be confusing! Maybe i'll be able to get some info out of somebody when we get there. This little bit of info could be the determing factor in rather we win or lose today!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 02, 2005, 01:35:48 pm
This little bit of info could be the determing factor in rather we win or lose today!
YES IT COULD!!!

make sure you tell all the players and have them prepared - it's strange to see a team out there shooting and dunking feverishly as though it's simply warm-ups and see the scoreboard registering points...it's very tough to overcome :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 02, 2005, 01:41:49 pm
This little bit of info could be the determing factor in rather we win or lose today!
YES IT COULD!!!

make sure you tell all the players and have them prepared - it's strange to see a team out there shooting and dunking feverishly as though it's simply warm-ups and see the scoreboard registering points...it's very tough to overcome :)

it has to be the most demoralizing thing to morale as I can imagine. Although, from a spectator point of view, it would be nice to see some good dunks :) Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to see their coach trying to convince someone in the ncaa to let them go 2 minutes to ensure that they'll have a lead that is just way big for us to overcome, because they are probably scared you know!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 02, 2005, 05:20:28 pm
just read the game story (http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50018)...i think sid lee wright read my post before writing his release :)
Or vice versa.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on December 02, 2005, 07:33:54 pm
ive never hears of such a rule. 
i smell bull!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 02, 2005, 10:05:33 pm
narch,
those blasted flames did try to take advantage of the rule! they were able to convince ncaa officials to let them play 2 extra minutes at the end of the first half! they were able to run up the score to a point where we were beyond capable of coming back from! told you they were scared!  :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 02, 2005, 11:54:09 pm
just read the game story (http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50018)...i think sid lee wright read my post before writing his release :)
Or vice versa.
except that i wouldn't have made that post were that the case :)

scottie, sorry to hear the hornets couldn't take down the flames, and i'm glad you can take a little ribbing and good natured joking...the box score i posted was the "live stats" box, and thus, unofficial...there is no such rule, eddie...it's complete bull hooey
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 03, 2005, 09:24:44 am
OK, now I’m a bit concerned.  Curry made a huge comeback to win on the road against a very good Trinity (CT) team.  I thought that they might be able to split their two games this week, but that the W would be the home game on Tuesday.  Should be a very, very good test for the Captains tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 03, 2005, 01:24:14 pm
Does anyone know what the criteria are for D3 hoops travel?  Specifically, how far must an away game be before the team gets to fly?  I’m 6-4 so I know how uncomfortable public transportation can be, and I can only imagine how torturous a bus ride must be for someone much taller than me.  If Curry bussed down here from Mass. they will have to be really, really road-weary.  I guess I’ll know in a couple of hours which it was since usually the opposing team’s bus parks right in the middle of our parking lot, diagonally, taking up as many parking spaces as possible while they sit there idling, spewing out diesel fumes for 5 hours.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 03, 2005, 02:58:51 pm
depends on the school and finances.  I dont think there is a *rule* on how far is a flight vs. a bus
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 03, 2005, 03:11:12 pm
College of St. Joe's bussed down here and its about 12 hours to Vermont. From Milton, Ma, which is south of Boston, its about 9 hours away, maybe 10. Mapquest has it at 633 miles and 10 hours and 48 minutes of travel, but thats usually on the long end of it. Only "rule" comes in during NCAA play and thats it, during regular season play, its on the school to decide how they want to get there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 03, 2005, 05:47:51 pm
Outstanding!!! Curry had six players on the court for 10 seconds before anyone noticed and they get t'ed up, CNU makes both free throws, go up one, 66-65 with 21 seconds left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 03, 2005, 05:49:07 pm
Offensive foul by Curry turns the ball over with 5.8 seconds left and still up one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 03, 2005, 05:50:42 pm
Matt Coleman blocks a three at the buzzer that could have tied the game, Captains win 68-65.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 03, 2005, 06:50:13 pm
oops...guess I should look at my tickets for game time...I was just getting ready to go to the game!!!  :P ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 03, 2005, 07:19:09 pm
Atta boy 85, atta boy!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Three Sails on December 03, 2005, 08:00:18 pm
I have heard of the "6th Man" helping to win a game but never a "6th Man" losing it.  Nice come back by the Capts after terrible shooting % in the first half.  Gotta get some of those shots to drop!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 03, 2005, 10:39:52 pm
Narch & cnu85: 

How is CNU and Greensboro in Basketball?  I see Lincoln plays them in a tournament in Myrtle Beach, on 12/20 & 12/21.

Any info would be appreciated  :) .
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 04, 2005, 10:48:26 am
I believe narch is a Methodist fan, and I dont think he has seen them play yet this year, so he may not be the person with the most knowledge, although Im sure he could break them down for you on paper. Are there any Gboro posters out there still who can help this person out??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 04, 2005, 11:14:33 am
Big Game today Monarchs. Lets step up and get this win
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 04, 2005, 11:21:35 am
After all the tongue-in-cheek discussion on this board about D1 team’s minutes adding up to more than 200, the Captains have a game in which their D3 opponent has more than 200 (in a regulation game; no OT).  After a timeout, Curry comes out with six players and it takes the zebras 10 seconds to notice before calling the technical.  Actually, the only reason they noticed was because they saw a Curry player diving off the court at the CNU bench.  So, although the box score says 200 minutes for Curry, it should really say 200.17.  Other random thoughts –

Like I’ve said before; we seem totally unprepared at the beginning of our games.  Once again it took way too long to get on the board.  We made it 9-2 at the 15:47 mark.  CJ said in the post game interview that they had made starting well a goal for this game.  With Curry playing two tough games this week AND traveling from MA, and the Captains having the week off to prepare for them, it’s just ridiculous that they be clearly more prepared for us than we were for them.

Can we buy some shooters?  First half fg% was 28.6%.  38.8% for the game. 

The Riley/Coleman combo continues to impress.  How much longer can we keep these guys out of the starting lineup?  Without these two guys our fg% would have been 21.4% (half) and 34% (game).

Mark Blasingame gave us solid minutes again but he is never used in the last ten minutes of each half.  Challenge him now, CJ.

Davon Barton seemed a little apprehensive, even though we shouldn’t complain about 6 assists and only 2 turnovers.  I hope that it was just an off game, but if he wasn’t completely healed from the injury last week it would be understandable. 

Curry is only six-players deep (seven if you include the 6-9 statue that played 11 minutes) and had to travel a long way for this game, but we didn’t seem to wear them out. 

Once again the refs allowed a very rough style of play, and were once again abysmal in their calls.  The calls seemed totally arbitrary.  Blatant fouls get no whistle and other times they make a call seemingly before the play even occurs.  CNU got away with a clear goaltending non-call early in the second half.  I guess you can’t complain when the calls are so clearly arbitrary that they don’t favor either team, but I’d hate to see one of the missed/wrong calls decide a close game at the end.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 04, 2005, 06:20:26 pm
Tough loss, narch.  I really wanted your guys to win.  You gotta think that Maryville will crack the Top 25 this week since in their so-far undefeated season their closest margin of victory was three points against a good Centre team.  Well-fought losses against better teams are nothing to be ashamed of.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on December 04, 2005, 06:50:59 pm
i still would like to see more of mcsheperd.  i think with his height and speed he would of been a huge mismatch last night.  i think he would of given #25 (the white kid) i think that was his # problems on defense.  he was warming up with the big men but he is listed as a guard.  i never noticed that before but maybe hes been doing that all year.  come on cj give him some pt.  goose i didnt see u at the game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 04, 2005, 07:41:46 pm
Narch & cnu85: 

How is CNU and Greensboro in Basketball?  I see Lincoln plays them in a tournament in Myrtle Beach, on 12/20 & 12/21.

Any info would be appreciated  :) .
I saw Greenboro against Guilford and the Quakers handled the Pride fairly easily 82-67, but had a 25-point second-half lead.  Greensboro has some speed, but not much height or depth this year (injuries).  From what I hear about Lincoln this season, I think you guys can win by 12+ as well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 04, 2005, 07:54:25 pm
eddie -

I'd like to see more of McShepherd also.  I missed the St. Joseph game when he got some pt, so I've never seen this 6-9 g-f we have languishing on the bench.  I guess we'll have to have a couple more blowouts before we know more.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 04, 2005, 11:10:07 pm
Narch:  If you had told me Murvul would be outrebounded and shoot 18% from behind the arch and be led in scoring by Holliday, I would have predicted another outcome.   What do your sources say?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 04, 2005, 11:11:19 pm
edwardo, I was there, in my usual area.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 04, 2005, 11:16:13 pm
I was just looking at the box from the Methodist/Maryville game. Wow, MC scores 61 and no one scores in double figures, did I read that right?? Two had nine (McEvoy swats five), one with eight and three with seven. Very balanced.  I can see the difference between the two teams in the second half was foul shooting as Maryville was 20-of-23 and MC went to the line just seven times and made three. Grant fouled out, one had four and three others had three each. Narch, we know you were there. Fill us in. Refs call a crappy game?? Wouldnt surprise me as the officiating has been equally terrible in all the games Ive seen at CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 10:22:50 am
I believe narch is a Methodist fan, and I dont think he has seen them play yet this year, so he may not be the person with the most knowledge, although Im sure he could break them down for you on paper. Are there any Gboro posters out there still who can help this person out??
narch is definitely a Methodist fan!  He puts the big Mo in Mo(narch)!  lol :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 05, 2005, 10:38:27 am
hasanova & Goose:

Thanks for the info, and predictions.  Hasanova, Myrick is a point guard, but he's plays more an "AI" point position, where he has the green light to score.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 01:51:47 pm
hasanova & Goose:

Thanks for the info, and predictions.  Hasanova, Myrick is a point guard, but he's plays more an "AI" point position, where he has the green light to score.
You're welcome.  Is Lincoln University (PA) the same school that was once called Lincoln Memorial or am I confusing two different institutions?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 01:55:35 pm
hasanova & Goose:

Thanks for the info, and predictions.  Hasanova, Myrick is a point guard, but he's plays more an "AI" point position, where he has the green light to score.
You're welcome.  Is Lincoln University (PA) the same school that was once called Lincoln Memorial or am I confusing two different institutions?
Just answered my own question - Lincoln Memorial University is in Tennessee.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 05, 2005, 02:18:46 pm

hasanova:

Yep, you answered your own question.  Lincoln University founded in 1854, is the oldest HBCU in the country.  A few schools like cheyney (1837) were founded as schools, not institutions of higher learning.  Ashmun Institute (now Lincoln University) was founded by Quakers specifically as an instititution of higher learning for males of African descent.

Lincoln was know as the Black Princeton, with the colors navy blue and orange and mascot Lions comparing to Princeton's black and orange Tigers.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 04:19:18 pm

hasanova:

Yep, you answered your own question.  Lincoln University founded in 1854, is the oldest HBCU in the country.  A few schools like cheyney (1837) were founded as schools, not institutions of higher learning.  Ashmun Institute (now Lincoln University) was founded by Quakers specifically as an instititution of higher learning for males of African descent.

Lincoln was know as the Black Princeton, with the colors navy blue and orange and mascot Lions comparing to Princeton's black and orange Tigers.

njlincolnlion,

I did not know the Quaker connection, but I am not the least bit surprised.  It also makes sense that LU was founded in Pennsylvania, where many early Quakers lived and started schools.  FYI - My alma mater in North Carolina, Guilford, was also founded by the Society of Friends and is an Historical Landmark for, among other things, being a stop on the Underground Railroad.   Most (I don't know for sure if it was all) of the NC Quakers refused to own slaves and used the 300 acres of the college as a refuge and stopping point for runaway slaves trying to escape to the North.  Other NC Quakers, disappointed that NC was a slave state, moved farther west and north to Ohio, Indiana and Iowa.  Some other Quaker colleges in the midwest are Wilmington (OH), Earlham (IN) and William Penn (IA). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 05, 2005, 07:08:41 pm
An FYI for the guys from the USASAC... basketball season started a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 05, 2005, 07:23:29 pm
hasanova –

I just read your “cover all my ecumenical bases” post regarding salvation and the afterlife over on the football board… it cracked me up.  I’m curious about your handle… “has a Nova”?  My brother had a Nova and it wasn’t anything to be proud of.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 08:51:01 pm
hasanova –

I just read your “cover all my ecumenical bases” post regarding salvation and the afterlife over on the football board… it cracked me up.  I’m curious about your handle… “has a Nova”?  My brother had a Nova and it wasn’t anything to be proud of.

captj - Thanks.  My siblings and I have a pretty good sense of humor about all things, including religion.  You should see all five of us when we get together.  lol  We're convinced God has a sense of humor - why else would he give us duck-billed platypuses, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker and Yugos?   ???

I do have a restored '68 Chevy Nova, which I bought used in 1969.  Red, of course, with a 307-V8 and a 4-speed manual transmission.  Not my daily driver anymore, but it does turn some heads on Sunday afternoon cruises.   It was my "road trip" car for Quaker basketball when I was a student at Guilford. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 06, 2005, 08:54:13 am
hasanova –

I’m relieved… I was afraid that you might have ended up with my brother’s late seventies (I think) 4-door with an anemic 6-banger and the most hideous plaid upholstery you’ve ever seen.  Sounds like a nice ride.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 06, 2005, 09:26:47 am
hasanova –

I’m relieved… I was afraid that you might have ended up with my brother’s late seventies (I think) 4-door with an anemic 6-banger and the most hideous plaid upholstery you’ve ever seen.  Sounds like a nice ride.

captj - I hear you.  Your brother's Nova sounds like what my brothers and I call an A-B car, that is, only good for getting you from Point A to Point B.  lol  Thanks for the compliments on my '68.  I get a lot of offers to purchase it and I ride in a few parades and stuff like that from time to time.  After 36 years, it's a part of the "family."  By the way, there is actually a club for Nova enthusiasts out of York, PA called NNN - National Nostalgic Nova - of which I am a member.  Just like d3hoops, there are niche fans out there for Novas, although most of them don't restore the late seventies models with a 6-cylinder and plaid seats.  :)     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 06, 2005, 12:14:27 pm
Must be exam week in the world of CNU athletics if captj is talkin about novas!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 06, 2005, 12:58:31 pm
An FYI for the guys from the USASAC... basketball season started a couple of weeks ago.

See the quote from myself above.....

This board seems to have died.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 06, 2005, 02:11:24 pm
And besides, Goose... what are we going to talk about?  Maryland Bible?!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 06, 2005, 02:44:16 pm
We could always talk about Frostburg!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 06, 2005, 03:35:02 pm
We could always talk about Frostburg!!
So, how 'bout dem Blue Devils!  Hokies, we love you, but you gotta defend those 40-footers at the buzzer!  lol  Cameron is, well, crazy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 06, 2005, 04:29:31 pm
i wasn't at the m'ville game and haven't had a chance to talk to anyone regarding the game - i do know the monarchs were up 1 at halftime (i think the score was 22-21!!) before falling - m'ville is good...make no mistake...but a hard fought loss isn't my gig...that's a game the monarchs have got to win at home if they want to be the team they are capable of being - got some work to do - go monarchs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 06, 2005, 05:52:49 pm
I miss one game and you guys go town the toilet....I'll try to make it on the 12th to liven things up a little on here......
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 06, 2005, 06:09:23 pm
85 -

You better buy a calendar and a watch before you go making promises.  The game is Monday, 12/12, 7:30 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on December 06, 2005, 07:24:01 pm
damn, my computer breaks for a couple weeks and the boar dgoes crazy....


whelp 4-1 the captains are looking good. i cant wait for them to play some decent teams though. Lewis will start to show how he can play...


the crowds willl deff start to get bigger. i can tell u that. cnu will be a touhg place to play
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 06, 2005, 08:23:33 pm
They have a tough game on the 17th in Frostburg and then play Lincoln who is very good and a Keystone team that seems a lil down to me this year, after going 24-5 last year. Then of course is the shootout and we will move past that, then there's Fisher and Shenandoah before we get to the game that really scares me (not that Lincoln, Keystone, and Frostburg dont), but Carnegie Mellon comes to town, a squad that just upset 12th ranked Rochester. Should be very interesting to say the least.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 07, 2005, 11:01:07 am
Wow,

Another tough loss for the Monarchs  :'(  I know its a tough schedule but, Champions find ways to win tough games. It's time to step it up. I know the coaching staff will get them right before conference play comes around they are pretty good at that!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 11:38:14 am
Gents, Merry Christmas.   I have been humbly reading the posts on the Captains and have had the pleasure (some lack of  ;)) of observing all of the games thus far.   Couple of observations, the first not team related….”the refs.”   

Which ever team you’re rooting for there will be calls you disagree with. Conversely, what upsets me is the lack of “tone” these guys are setting to games.  One of the refs in particular from the Curry game I recognized, he refs in the Bay Rivers District.  I was shocked he was calling a Captains game!  He always looked to me like he had a chip on his shoulder.  He probably doesn’t, he just looks like he does!  However, in my (again) humble opinion they do need to set the “tone.”  The best refs I’ve seen are the ones with “personality” (that is they look like they enjoy what they’re doing)….they “communicate” with the players and the coaches from the git-go.  There were maybe three of these in the Bay Rivers last year and pretty sure they all call college (know at least two of them do) ball.  You can hear’em….”watch your hands, don’t reach, don’t push”….they communicate with the players and I believe eliminate a lot of play stoppage.   Most importantly they should first and foremost protect the players…some of the physical play and aggressive reaching is off the charts this year and we’ve seen the result.   Some things cannot be prevented, but many can if the tone is set early.   Once it’s out of control…well…it’s hard to reel in. 

The Caps continue to improve.   Would like to see Coleman and Riley on the court at the beginning or at least experiment starting one of those guys.  Just seems to be a lack of energy at the start of games.  The team shows a lot of heart coming back….though it can be unnerving for the fans!   And before I get to long winded….I am with Goose, Korey Lewis is VERY talented and sincerely hope he fulfills his potential.  But Coach should make him run every time he shoots a fall away jumper.  You’ll note his azimuth is always “right on” target, but 9 times our of ten he bounces it off the front of the rim.   Plus you’ll NEVER draw a foul falling away….anyway….happy holidays…..these long breaks are to much…..
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 07, 2005, 11:41:36 am
I know everyone has been checking out the USA SOUTH website at the 25th anniversary sport teams.  Anyone knows when the basketball anniversary team(s) will be released?  Any ideas on the players that will be on the team?  If this topic has already come up, I apologize, but I have been AWOL for a few weeks.


GO HORNETS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 07, 2005, 12:00:29 pm
Its the 25th anniversary women's sports this year. Not men, to my knowledge.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 07, 2005, 02:59:56 pm
ballgame –

I like your thoughts about the zebras.  I’ve posted remarks about them a couple of times this year, and not once were my comments complimentary.  I know that it’s tough doing what they do (I’d never want to do it), but I repeatedly feel like they’re just universally bad and that their calls are totally arbitrary.  I would post positive comments when they’re due but I think that, by nature, we (spectators/fans) only notice them when they screw up.  And this is how I think that it should be.  To me, they’ve done their best when we’ve hardly noticed them.  What I HATE is when they make the game about THEM.  The game is called “basketball”, not “refereeing”.  We’re not there to see them.  I hate it when a referee makes a call and then waves his arms hysterically as he races across the court, making himself the focus of everyone’s attention.  I like the idea that a referee can set a “tone” for the game, or even create one, but I would like for it to be invisible to the spectators.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 07, 2005, 03:04:52 pm
So, is there going to be an official, all-time, All-USASAC/Dixie basketball team announced some day/year?  Or a 25-year team?  Is that what you guys are talking about?  If so, it sounds incredibly intriguing.  Tell us more.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 03:17:37 pm
captj, agree.....they should for the most part be invisible.  Being a referee is sort of like be a teacher....the really good ones are not in it solely for the money, but for their love of the profession or in this case the game.  The Zebras are human, they'll make mistakes.....good Lord who wouldn't, especially in a game as fast as basketball.  And like ball players, refs probably even have an off night from time-to-time....but.....I don't know...lately it just seems pretty darn physical and they're letting a lot slide.   Almost, "no blood, no foul."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 07, 2005, 03:40:41 pm
Its been a while since my last post.  I've been busy between giving thanks and being laid up with an injury, (surgery to fix a torn achilles... is this what you call karma for all the smack talking?  Maybe I should change the nick to I'msore? Luckily they gave me some good pills.)

MethCo comes out of the gate with a blistering 5-2 record... wait, what?  Lose to Wooster, Mville, App State...okay its tough, but I can take it, but Voorhees?  Our only wins are Maritime State and Thomas More.  Less than intimidating.  As fred Wilard Said in A Mighty Wind:  "wha' happened?"


It seems like this season could go either way.   I like the tough sched to get ready, but I also like a pretty record.  Of course, what matters most is conf play.  Get better with every game, keep it together, roll into conf and start bashing heads in.  The monarchs need to get tough and learn how to execute. 

Looking at the stats:
Seth, Marcus, Gene and BWill, Stealing everything, now if we could keep those TO's down.  That would be nice. 
A lot of people seem to be shooting well behind the arc, Mike Mac with 67%? well, everyone except for this Gene character, 4-25 behind the arc?
Gimme an S, Gimme a Lump.  By the end of the season it'll even out.  Good players make points, Great players make plays.
The post guys need to be getting more shots, and they need to rebound. We need an inside presence.


Just from glancing around the conf

AU 4-2 They seem to be doing well.  Shooting well, and spreading around the scoring.  Killed So. Va.  104-66

CNU 4-1  There are plenty of CNU fans who know much more about the team than  I do. 

GC 2-3  Another year, another new coach.  Two wins over mid-level teams.

FC 1-6  ...  We'll see how they do against So Va.

NCW 2-4 Not off to a great start.  Are they going to lose all they're games and then explode in the tourny again?

SU 5-2 They look really strong.  Of Course, they looked pretty strong last year at the start then fell off for a bit.  So. Va. 102-87


I'm nominating So Va as the USA South groupie.  They get around like a hackysack at a greenpeace rally.

As for the refs, I like physical play.   "Lettem Play Ref."

Well, the pills are starting to set in... I should leave before I say something that will put people on defense.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 03:52:02 pm
Isoar, physical play ain't basketball.....especially when kids are getting hurt.    Thank God for Steve Nash, Tony Parker, and T.J. Ford...heck I'll even throw AI in there....if not for them Vince McMahon would own the NBA!  I'm sure the networks are really hoping for another Detroit vs SA wrestling match.  Clean up the physical play and let's put some points on the board!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 07, 2005, 04:34:29 pm
ISoar –

I believe that the Monarch’s problem to date has been (and I’ve been arguing with narch about this all season) that they’re having a hard time adjusting to the graduation of their best player.  But… the season is still young and I think that they WILL adjust, as long as they don’t let the early-season bruises (losses) get them down.  Conference games are still a long way off, and for all of the USASAC teams this year, THAT is when the season begins.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 07, 2005, 04:58:24 pm
captj- Youre right.  I just wish the learning curve was a little bit better.

ballgame- Kids getting hurt?  Is this something that is a direct result of rough play?  If you're talking about people playing dirty, thats one thing, but haven't people always been getting injured while playing basketball?

AI's pretty physical, TJ Ford just kicked someone in the head (just joking, but seriously, he did it).  And If I remember A guy name Stockton played pretty tough.  
I'm not a fan of hamstringing the d just to "put more points on the board."  

ie If the O dives to the hole jumps and draws contact, a defender should be allowed to jump up and down without a foul being called.  Even if they collide.  

I don’t want to see refs rewarding offense by cracking down on defense.  If a someone gets beat to a spot and theres some contact it should be let go.

Armbars, should be allowed.  Yes, protect the shooters.  Stop the grabbing, slapping, and holding, but bumping only hurt a few people.

Physical play is basketball.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 07, 2005, 05:30:22 pm
what time is it?

heck...what day is it?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 05:50:30 pm
Lol…of course it’s a direct result of physical, hmmm…let’s change the terminology…”rough” play, otherwise I would not have mentioned it. 

I’m not talking about a guard diving to hole and jumping into a big man….rules are pretty specific there, though the tendency of the zebras seems to be to penalize the big men.  As long as they don’t bring their arms down they should not be penalized.   Give me break Isoar….lol…I know people get hurt playing basketball….good lord….but I do know kids get hurt because refs let games get out of control from the git go. 

Picks and rub offs are part of the game….excessive reaching/swatting and bodying the dribbler to knock him off stride are not….I’m not hamstringing anyone….just want them to enforce the rules consistently and from what I’ve seen they’re not. 

You say physical play is basketball….what do you mean…..hand checking is OK…..forearm shivers are OK……
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 07, 2005, 05:58:15 pm
O...thanks Goose, I guess I didn't realize that all the "25th teams" being congratulated were women...my bad...lol.  (Everyone) if we had to pick an all time first, second (and third) team who would the players be!?!?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 07, 2005, 06:20:00 pm
This ISoar guy is pretty smart. LOL

Capt J,

I still have to agree with Narch with the reference of losing your best player. Losing your best player shouldn't mean the downfall of your team. Not saying its a downfall but, good teams always find away to fill a void. When Byrd graduated from Methodist the team won a share of the conference. CNU was still a powerhouse when Sinclair graduated. Others step up, filled his shoes and found ways to win.  Methodist must find away to do so. The talent is there but, they must be consistent. I'm pretty sure they'll turn it around soon they always have. Last year was the first time the team had a winning record going into conference play. Where I think Porter loss if felt the most is in the rebounding catergory.He got his hands on every ball that came off the glass. Thomas is a good rebounder but, he should not be leading the team in rebounds a post player should and must step up.  

Ballgame,

I agree with you to a point but, basketball is a physical game. I fill the refs should be consistent. If they are bad be bad 90% of the time, and call the game the same way for both teams. That way you know what you are getting into as a player and coach. I get mad when a hard foul is not called on one end but, called on the other side two or three plays later.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 07, 2005, 06:24:31 pm
Anybody,

What is Karma for and, is it good or bad to have?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 06:31:55 pm
Thanks hoops....though I don't recall saying that basketball "is not" a physical game....anyone that's ever played knows it's a physical game......'nough said  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 07, 2005, 07:51:13 pm
Ballgame - I think we're arguing about different things here, but I like to argue, so I'll continue.

Isoar, physical play ain't basketball.....


 I don't recall saying that basketball "is not" a physical game....


You say physical play is basketball….what do you mean…..hand checking is OK…..forearm shivers are OK……


how many times do you see players delivering a forearm shiver?  And how many times did an official witness the shiver and not call it?  If that’s what is going on then you have every right to complain about the refs. 
if you want to know what I mean by physical play, check out wisconsin, Bo knows physical D. 
As far as the kids getting hurt- My point was that a kid accidentally getting poked in the face, or smacked on the head, well that’s gonna happen.  And yes, when it happens, a ref should call it.  But contact going to the hole? Someone setting a solid screen? Or a little bumping in the paint? “lettem play.” 

Physical play takes a toll on the body.  Its part of the strategy, you beat your opponent down and by the end of the game they’re too tired to handle your run. 

Most people get hurt, as a result of being tired.  They get bumped, they’re not moving as fast, they can’t protect themselves, and then they fall, or roll an ankle.  It’s the same reason boxers tend to go down at the end of the rounds; the punches aren’t any harder, the protection is just worse. 

As I said earlier sometimes people are going to get smacked, but that’s always going to happen, regardless of the way the refs call the game.  At the end of a physical game, they’re too just too tired to handle it. 

Sloppy games with bad o and worse d where lose balls are rampant and kids are running around the court in dust clouds are probably where kids get hurt the most.  But its hard to “clean” those up.

Hand checking is no good by the way.   


HoopsHops - I've been trying to figure out the Karma thing myself.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 07, 2005, 08:39:55 pm
Anybody,

What is Karma for and, is it good or bad to have?
Karma measures how other posters view the style and validity of your posts.  Applaud if you strongly agree and Smite if you strongly disagree.  Most posts receive no Karma score at all.  Higher Karma numbers are considered better.  To avoid unfairness and "piling on," you cannot rate your own posts and you can only Applaud or Smite a fellow poster once very 12 hours.  Karma can accumulate in both the Positive and Negative directions.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 09:11:03 pm
How many national championships has Wisconsin won?  And who was the last big ten champ to win a NC?  Thanks, but I'll take UNC and Duke where they play D with there feet and all out pressure.....now that's physical basketball  :D

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 08:53:25 am
ballgame, the WIAC is a very strong D3 conference in all sports, especially basketball.

Some of the WIAC critics point to the fact that Wisconsin state has very few D2 schools.  In the 1970's the Wisconsin State Unviersity Conference, as it was called then, was similar to the Lone Star Conference and both were members of the NAIA.

The LSC moved to D2 NCAA.  Over time, some members of the LSC moved up to D1.  The LSC added smaller state schools that began to grow and annexed the Oklahoma state schools which comprise a northern division.  (The ASC, called the TIAA in its NAIA days, has two former members, Tarleton State and football affiliate Midwestern State, who moved up to D2 LSC.)

The WSUC moved to non-scholarship D3.   The WIAC schools have incredible facilities, fan-base and resources compared to other D3 schools.  The WIAC schools contend on a national basis year after year in all sports.  A WIAC member will almost certainly finish in the Top 8-10 in every sport, a feat that may be matched by few other conferences.

Here are the past champions as listed under Archives on the right side-bar. :)

http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 09:19:48 am
hops (and AWOL narch),

You can continue to minimize the graduation of Porter all you want, but I will continue to say that it is a lot tougher than you’re letting on to replace someone like him.  Sure, you still trot out five guys to match up with the other teams, but those five are nowhere near as strong as the ones you had last year.

You mentioned that CNU was still strong after Antoine Sinclair graduated.  Boy, did you ever pick a poor example to make your point!  After Sinclair graduated we still had Jermaine Woods (1327 pts, 17.2 pts/gm career), Carlos Heard (1242 pts, 14.4 pts/gm career), and Terry Gray (1201 pts, 11.6 pts/gm, 7.7 reb/gm, 2.9 blks/gm career).  And we had these guys for two years after Sinclair graduated.  These guys were fixtures on the All-Conf team, and it was after we lost THESE guys that CNU’s dominance ended.

This brings up another interesting question; has there ever been another USASAC/Dixie team that had FOUR 1000 point career scorers on it at the same time?  We had all the guys mentioned above on our team in 00/01, AND Albert Haskins at the point (#4 all-time in assists at CNU). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 09:23:06 am
ISoar –

I believe that the Monarch’s problem to date has been (and I’ve been arguing with narch about this all season) that they’re having a hard time adjusting to the graduation of their best player.  But… the season is still young and I think that they WILL adjust, as long as they don’t let the early-season bruises (losses) get them down.  Conference games are still a long way off, and for all of the USASAC teams this year, THAT is when the season begins.


hops -

If you read my post more carefully, you'll see that I never said that losing Porter would be the "downfall" of the Monarchs.  I picked them to win conference this year.  Let's just let it drop.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 08, 2005, 09:30:42 am
If I slighted the great state of Wisconsin in anyway I apologize!   After all, WI provided my sister with a great spouse!  And to boot, he was a UW grad.  But I think Isoar was referring to Bo Ryan….the head coach at D1 Wisconsin.   

And I do have to agree with Isoar….lol….we are argueing about the same thing.  I found it interesting that a good friend of mine dropped me an email after attending the Duke – Penn game last night.  It was a Xmas present from his wife’s employer.  He said it had been years since he had attended a college game and the thing that surprised him the most was how big the athletes were and how physical the game was.  We were laughing, because back in the day weight lifting for basketball players was taboo!  Man, has that ever changed….
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 09:36:44 am
I'm nominating So Va as the USA South groupie.  They get around like a hackysack at a greenpeace rally.


Ferrum has them next tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 09:39:02 am
I'm nominating So Va as the USA South groupie.  They get around like a hackysack at a greenpeace rally.


Ferrum has them next tomorrow night.

Dang!  Now I’m losing track of what day it is.  Ferrum has them TONIGHT.  I’ll need that calendar back, 85.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on December 08, 2005, 11:19:06 am
How many national championships has Wisconsin won?  And who was the last big ten champ to win a NC?  Thanks, but I'll take UNC and Duke where they play D with there feet and all out pressure.....now that's physical basketball  :D

Wisconsin won their only NC in 1941.  However, Wisconsin is a bad example of Big Ten basketball and physical play as their basketball program does not have a great  history and has only recently been rejuvinated under Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan in recent years. 

The last Big Ten NC was Michigan State in 2000 (oddly enough, Wisconsin was also in the final four that year and lost to MSU is the National semi-finals).  The Big Ten has sent 6 teams to the final four since 2000 (ACC has sent 7).

And to add to Ralph's comments on Wisconsin D3 basketball....Wisconsin schools have won 8 of the last 21 national championships (including the last two).

I agree that Duke and UNC play superior college basketball to anyone else.  But, to say physical basketball is not successful at any level is just plain wrong.

By the way-  what's up with the WIS references on the USA South Board?  Keep it up!
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 12:16:20 pm
What is Karma for and, is it good or bad to have?

Watch the new sitcom called "Earl".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 08, 2005, 12:23:49 pm
Leroy,
But, to say physical basketball is not successful at any level is just plain wrong.


Don't recall anyone here saying physical play was not successful....at any level.  I even admitted that my choice of "word" was wrong....I was complaining about some of the "rough" play, inconsistencies in officiating and the refs failure to control the game in a couple of USA South games I had observed.  

To me basketball is one of the most physical sports running....even more so today because the athletes are bigger, stronger and faster.....on a court that is still 94 X 50.  

CNU runs a version (I think) of the flex offense....series of picks and rubs....so it's going to be physical...also, they run what appears to be the "shell" defense.....same thing....gets a little crowded in the post and is tough to penetrate.  

I think that is what Bo does at WI...a lot of picks.....and some doggone good belly up defense.

Now how in the world did you "Badgers" get over here ;D!  No wonder it's so cold in VA!  Maybe I should start talking about Florida!

  

 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 08, 2005, 12:34:06 pm
captj- LOL I love that show!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 12:39:22 pm
(Everyone) if we had to pick an all time first, second (and third) team who would the players be!?!?!

First of all; if it were up to the posters on this board to nominate them there would only be players from three teams on it.  I'm sure not going to scrutinize Averett's archives (if they exist) in order to get someone from their team on it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 12:42:30 pm
We could probably pick an all-time, all-CNU/Shenandoah/Methodist team and get NNASID to mediate since the Builders have probably played each team at some point in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 08, 2005, 01:32:01 pm
Well CaptJ (thanks for the attention) I nominate (from SU);

Phil Dixon (1992-1996) - he is pretty much guaranteed a slot on first team.
Al White (1992-1996) - R.I.P.
Billy Blake (1993-1998)
Cameron Jones (1995-1999)
Ronald Merriwether (1998-2002)

Let the arguments begin ;D!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 08, 2005, 01:52:54 pm
Also I would be a fool not to nominate this Mario Pritchett cat who in 84 games scored 1463 points (3rd all time leading scorer at SU).  I just never personally saw him play, then again being an "ex young buck" I only saw Jones and Merriwether play (in games).  But of course I have heard all of the marvelous tales of Dixon (saw the jersey, record books etc.).  I saw Dixon play at an alumni game during my scholastic tenure at SU and man...that dude is good (great)!  I have been personally ALMOST dunked on by Blake & Jones (I moved); shook by White and for all of those who know...embarrassed (on the court) my whole life by Merriwether.

P.S. Rhone is a "young buck", but 973 points in two seasons is pretty good. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 08, 2005, 02:15:24 pm
I nominate from CNU:

Lamont Strothers
Antoine Sinclair
Ted Barry
Steve Artis
Terry Gray
James Boykins
 
Perhaps
Jermaine Woods
Carlos Heard
Brandon Jones
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on December 08, 2005, 03:05:00 pm
Yawnnnnn......Wheww, seems like I sleep a little longer every year. Much like those who sleep on the Hornets but I'll get to that later. Its a new year and I better start things off on a good foot. Still no love lost for CNU so yes you'll probably be the first on the sarcasm scale. BUT, I also owe NCW some sarcasm shouts so maybe this year won't be as bad as last. But then again, it could. ;D . But onto the subject at hand, All time All American squad from SU....hmm, I'll agree with Spears...

1. J. Dixon
2. A. White
3. R. Merriwether
4. B. Blake
5. C. Jones  (Maybe)

With Ted. "Nice" Davis as a runner up.
Him and Merriwether together were sick.

OH and Spears if we went on a scale of who continuously shook you or dunked on you we'd have to add a few more to the list. I remember 1 occassion where Brashears hit you with a lazy crossover followed by a 3 ball all in your face. And another occassion where Camp caught a Oop on you, that oop WAS tossed by Merriwether though, so I guess I'll cut you some slack. You were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. If I had to list all the people who crossed Spears up, it be something like....and I'll use nicknames so you know who I'm talkin about. Plus it'll save you some humility.  ;)

And the list as of now....
Tig. (RIP-missed but never forgotten), C-Rock (numerous times), Shelton, Brashears (he shook you so bad you wanted to fight), Swerv.*, Bonzi, Jenks, FOOTS*, Bad News got you a couple times, Bates, MO* (always caught you sleeping in the paint), Mighty Mouse T squared (sometimes when he wasn't trying to), CORBIN (YES I said CORBIN), JRock, Chico.....the list goes on and on. Its ok though, because in most cases you weren't the only one to get shook, J'd up or Dunked on.

See, no-ones safe!!! I cut on my own people, but they know its all love because in the end we're all up for winning the USA South and beating up on CNU, MC, and NCW.

SU is 5-2. Start strong finish strong. GO HORNETS!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 08, 2005, 03:19:10 pm
isoar would advocate physical play...that was his game :)

captj - maybe you're right about adjusting to the loss of porter, and i never said there wouldn't be an adjustment period...but, i still believe that when this team DOES make that adjustment, they COULD be better than last year - returning veteran players HAVE to step up, though, and right now that's not happening - they won't make those adjustments if the veterans and leaders don't start playing better - hops makes a great point...the monarchs always start slow - it (the record) could get worse before it gets better, though, with 2 tough naia games and games remaining against vwc and m'ville, not to mention a piedmont team which will be VERY well prepared for the monarchs

i don't think there are any men's "25 year" teams, since those teams are being selected to commemorate 25 years of WOMEN'S sports in the usasac/diac, but if there were a 25 year men's hoops team being selected, i would nominate just two...montrell mcnair and jason childers - mcnair was a BEAST on both ends and childers was an all-america on a 22-8 team (mcnair was a frosh starting on that team) - d. byrd would be on the bubble, for me, and i'd probably nominate him knowing that he might not make the cut - if we went beyond 25 years, jim darden would be added to that list - i personally know him, and i wouldn't be shocked if he could STILL put up double digits, and he's well into his 50's - that man is in great condition and i'll bet he could ball back in the day - he averaged a double-double for his career (18.3 ppg and 13.4 rpg) and is the mc career rebounding leader (1206) and 4th in career points (1644) along with getting graduate degrees at both duke and nc state

ballgame - wisconsin runs the "swing" offense...not sure how similar it is to the "flex" - it may, in fact, be the same thing, but wisc calls it the "swing"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 08, 2005, 03:33:35 pm
OH MY!!!  My own homeboy is trying to get at me (well did)!  Blockhead, EVERYONE who played in our pick up games basically got SHOOK, J'D, HURT by EACH OTHER.  But I repeat I NEVER repeat NEVER been dunked on.  For one, I would always move if the threat was near.  Y’all can call me a punk, but when you are one of the shortest cats out there (under 6 ft), I am no HERO!  I guess you have the Rob Harris syndrome (lol), think I am a helpless well...pop singer on the court and was shocked every time I made a basket.  You are still my man though, Shotblocker & I just go back y'all.  I can think of a time where I got half the people on your list and even your tall a**, Motumbo.  I recall you specifically ordering me not to bring my (edited) in the lane again AFTER I made the basket.  Fellow posters, we just have (had) this thing at SU, if you weren't on the team, you got NO PROPS or unless you played football.  Dean's List students like myself got a prop once a year.   At least I can make better CDs then you and I still averaged more points (in high school).  But let it be known, I RULE BETHESDA/CHEVY CHASE COURTS and if you ever put Corbin, shook and me in the same sentence again, you are playing with our FRIENDSHIP.  Holla at me sometime!


     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 08, 2005, 03:43:58 pm
ballgame,

I was just restating that basketball is a physical game.  ;)
enough said


CaptJ,

I was just being sarcastic I know MC will be around at the end of year. True, CNU had Gray, Heard and Woods but, Sinclair was the man same as Porter was for MC. Gray, Woods, and Heard were not asked to produce as much when Sinclair was there. They stepped up and took their game to another level especially Gray and Woods. MC must have that to. Sure there will be some bumps in the road but, they have capable player such as CNU did in the past.  Thomas, Grant & Co must step up for MC as well just like Gray, Woods and Heard did for CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 08, 2005, 03:47:29 pm
Narch,

My nominations would be the following.


Jason Childers
Montrell McNair
Tyrone Bennett
Sam Porter

Gets cloudy after those to but maybe Demarkus Byrd, Eric Rhew, and a outside chance of Arthur Hatch? as well
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 03:58:15 pm
Come on guys... go to the record books and dig up some stats so that we can compare these guys.  I'm sure NONE of us have personally seen enough of them to form an opinion without stats.  My nominations for the 25-Year All-Dixie/USASAC Team -

Lamont Strothers (87-91) –  For his four year career; 2709 pts (23.4/gm), 717 reb (6.2/gm), 286 stls (2.5/gm), 225 assts (1.9/gm); NEVER held below 10 points in a game in his entire 116 game career!!!!

Steve Artis (89-93) – For his four year career; 1977 pts (17.7/gm), 909 assts (8.1/gm), 323 stls (2.9/gm)

James Boykins (89-93) – For his four year career; 1847 pts (16.5/gm), 1193 reb (10.7/gm), 247 blk (2.2/gm), 197 stls (1.8/gm)

Antoine Sinclair (97-01) – For his four year career; 1736 pts (15.5/gm), 1031 reb (9.2/gm), 181 blks (1.6/gm), 136 stls (1.2/gm)

Buck Moore (83-86) – For his three year career; 1677 pts (20.0/gm), 584 reb (7.0/gm)

Ted Berry (91-94) - For his three year career; 1352 pts (20.8/gm); and, specifically, for what was the most prolific single-season scoring performance in CNU history, the 93-94 season when he scored 737 pts (an astounding 27.3/game)

Carl Haynes (84-88) - For his four year career; 1276 pts (12.8/gm), 878 reb (8.8/gm), 196 blks (2.0/gm)

Terry Gray (99-03) – For his four year career; 1201 pts (11.5/gm), 797 reb (7.7/gm), 300 blks (2.9/gm), 158 stls (1.5/gm)

Terry Thomas (92-96) – For his four year career; 1128 pts (10.0/gm), 905 reb (8.0/gm), 271 blks (2.4/gm)

Andre Bolton (92-96) - For his four year career; 737 assts (6.8/gm), 210 stls (1.9/gm); and, specifically, for what was the most prolific single-season assist performance in CNU history, the 95-96 season when he found the open man 289 times (9.6 assts/game).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 04:16:01 pm

Sinclair was the man same as Porter was for MC.

I was a huge Sam Porter fan, but there's no way he compares to Antoine Sinclair.  2-time All-conf is not the same as 2-time All-Amer (1st team, 2nd team).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 08, 2005, 04:33:10 pm
(**, *) Phil Dixon - 2297 pts (22.3/gm), 216 steals (2.1/gm) & 103 assists (8.6/gm).  ARGUABLY one of (if not the) the greatest DIXIE/USA SOUTH players of all time.

(** - HM) Al White - 2001 pts (19.6/gm), 898 rebounds (8.8/gm), 190 steals (1.9/gm) & 108 blocks (1.1/gm)

William "Billy" Blake - 1346 pts (13.6/gm), 522 rebounds (5.3/gm) & 37 blocks (.37/gm) 

Mario Pritchett - 1463 pts (17.4/gm), 184 assists (2.2/gm) & 117 steals (1.4/gm)

Cameron Jones - 1125 pts (11.4/gm), 579 rebounds (5.8/gm) & 64 blocks (.6/gm)

(*) Ronald Merriwether - 1319 pts (13.2/gm), 552 rebounds (5.5/gm) & 179 steals (1.8/gm)

** All American
* Dixie Player of the Year

I have to also give recognition to HELMEN, DAVIS & THOMPSON.

We all know stats can be misleading because presence outweighs stats.  I don't want to make any alumni enemies, but I always felt at SU, only one person was allowed to shine at one time (at least after I came to SU in '98).  My fellow Hornet in the earlier post brought up Davis & Merriwether "were sick together", if they were "allowed" to shine together, they would have been truly SICK together and in the conference.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 08, 2005, 04:44:54 pm
We could probably pick an all-time, all-CNU/Shenandoah/Methodist team and get NNASID to mediate since the Builders have probably played each team at some point in the past.

or having seen a good chunk of potential players in my past role (Ass't SID at CNU) :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 08, 2005, 04:54:15 pm
Capt J,

I've seen both Porter & Sinclair and I know Sinclair is a better overall player. All I'm saying is that when any team loses their star player and team leader someone must fill the void and step up in order for the team to continue on the path that were on before.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 05:12:39 pm
I hear you, hops.  It was just too tempting for me to pass that one up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 05:14:12 pm
You can’t argue with 2297 points.  If Dixon (SU) put up those numbers he should definitely be 1st team.  With 8.6 assts/gm I assume he also played the point.  Is that right?  If so, does that push my guy Steve Artis down to 2nd team?  It would be a shame for 1977 points not to get you on the 1st team, but there’s only room for one point guard.

Dixon’s numbers are good, but he’s no Lamont Strothers, who was the only D3 drafted into the NBA (at that time; maybe it’s been done since).  Strothers has to be our 1st team two-guard.

I also want my guy James Boykins on 1st team in the post (1847 pts (16.5/gm), 1193 reb (10.7/gm), 247 blk (2.2/gm), 197 stls (1.8/gm).  Career double-double and a huge defender.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 08, 2005, 05:21:41 pm
Captj,

I see you are using my calender!! Actually, I think it has to do with the metric system or something like that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 05:27:00 pm
I think you're right, 85.  See you at the game on Tuesday. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 06:18:16 pm
bspears –

I’m with you on Al White (92-96).  He’s all over the SU record books.  20 points and 9 rebounds for a career is extremely impressive, and there aren’t many teams that can trot out 2000 point career players.



I'll introduce our 1st team roster (to date).  If you have a nomination to replace someone on this team, tell us who and why.

Phil Dixon (SU) - 2297 pts (22.3/gm), 216 steals (2.1/gm) & 103 assists (8.6/gm)

Lamont Strothers (CNU) -   2709 pts (23.4/gm), 717 reb (6.2/gm), 286 stls (2.5/gm), 225 assts (1.9/gm)

Al White (SU) - 2001 pts (19.6/gm), 898 rebounds (8.8/gm), 190 steals (1.9/gm) & 108 blocks (1.1/gm)

James Boykins (CNU) – 1847 pts (16.5/gm), 1193 reb (10.7/gm), 247 blk (2.2/gm), 197 stls (1.8/gm)

Ted Berry (CNU) - 1352 pts over 3 years (20.8/gm); holds the USASAC/Dixie record for a single season scoring average (27.3/game)

Come on narch, your guys are being ignored. 


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 06:23:29 pm
Bspears – I noticed the “RIP” next to Al White in your post.  The CNU family lost James Boykins a few years ago.  How tragic is it that two on our all-time team are no longer with us?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 08, 2005, 06:44:00 pm
Yes, it truly is ashame that we (Dixie/USA SOUTH) lost two good people way too soon.  I am not going to try and act like I knew Al personally, but I remember when I was a freshman knucklehead at open gym, he always spoke and seemed like a real cool person. 

All that aside, I would give Al a spot on 2nd team.  SU simply hasn't been dominant enough in the conference to have two people on first team.  Dixon definitely deserves a spot on first team as well as Strothers (DAMN!) & Boykins just by their stats.

R.I.P. White, Boykins & Tigney and anyone else we have lost in our conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 06:49:44 pm
bspears - If we get some activity on this board we'll get everyone to their appropriate team.

OK, I’m going to bump one of my own guys.  Since the Panthers are unrepresented on this board, I just went to the Ferrum website.  Everett Foxx averaged 27.0 per game the same year that my guy Ted Berry averaged 27.3, PLUS; he did it over a 4-year career for 2112 points.  The 1st team is now –

Phil Dixon (SU) - 2297 pts (22.3/gm), 216 steals (2.1/gm) & 103 assists (8.6/gm)

Lamont Strothers (CNU) -   2709 pts (23.4/gm), 717 reb (6.2/gm), 286 stls (2.5/gm), 225 assts (1.9/gm)

Al White (SU) - 2001 pts (19.6/gm), 898 rebounds (8.8/gm), 190 steals (1.9/gm) & 108 blocks (1.1/gm)

James Boykins (CNU) – 1847 pts (16.5/gm), 1193 reb (10.7/gm), 247 blk (2.2/gm), 197 stls (1.8/gm)

Everett Foxx (Ferrum) – 2112 career pts, 128 career blcks, 183 career stls



Ted Berry (CNU) to 2nd team

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 06:54:01 pm
he always spoke and seemed like a real cool person

I’ve noticed that, in life, people who are extraordinary in a couple of ways are usually extraordinary in MANY ways. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 07:14:45 pm
Do we want to put Marquis McDougald (NCW) on one of our teams?  He scored 1710 points in 3 years, but I don’t see him anywhere else in their record books. 

That's all of the other "unrepresented" teams that I'm going to research.  The Mrs. is calling me for dinner, and besides, the double vodka marrtinni I hd urlier is waring off. 

GO CAPTAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 09, 2005, 04:52:46 pm
Martini?  Yikes!!!! Giving us CNU public school folks a bad name....

Cold Beer - any plenty of it...

here's to you Mr. Grocery store produce puter upper!! Real men of genius!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on December 10, 2005, 10:53:12 am
ballgame - wisconsin runs the "swing" offense...not sure how similar it is to the "flex" - it may, in fact, be the same thing, but wisc calls it the "swing"
Actually, the Swing is very different from the Flex.  The Flex (which most people know) is a screening offense.  Bob Knight re-popularized motion offense with screens and Dick Bennet made a blocker-mover screen popular.  That is probably what you are thinking about when you refer to "northern" offenses which rely mainly on screens.

The "Swing" (which Bo Ryan runs) is a offense that focuses on cuts, spacing, and reversing the ball.  In the swing, there is alot of movement from wing to wing (off screens of course).  It also provides the ability for all five players to be in a "true" motion.  Meaning that any player (1-5) will have post up and perimiter drive opportunities.  Wisconsin offen post ups gaurds (Think Devin Harris) to take advantage of match up problems.

In the swing, you really don't make the "flex" cuts (perimeter back screen and elbow to block screen) which define the flex.  The swing is a much more "modern offense" which has far less screening, allows for more isolation and post up opportunities.

Other than the fact that they are both 5 man motion offenses, the similarities may stop there.

BTW- Argentina used the flex when they gave Team USA it's first ever loss in international play.  It was amazing to see the NBA'ers baffled by the flex and it's diffent options.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 11, 2005, 07:06:50 pm
What a pity that the only post to our board over the last 36 hours is from a JV poster from outside of our conference schooling one of our members on the intricacies of the game.  Where is everyone? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 11, 2005, 11:58:27 pm
If you want the board to be alive, just say something bad about wisconsin...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2005, 01:22:30 pm
captj - we could always argue private vs. public  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2005, 01:49:56 pm
pat - interesting to see your alma mater pulling out of the cac (d3hoops.com front page article..."new conference formed")...also interesting to see su listed as a POSSIBLE addition to a re-configured cac (along with wesley, villa julie, frostburg and hood)...is this conjecture or fact?

not that i'm wishing them away, but i wonder if cnu has considered joining a conference that already includes 3 highly regarded public schools (mary wash, salisbury and saint mary's of md) as well as a private that acts public from a pricing standpoint (york) - even if frostburg and wesley were to join along with cnu or su, there would only be 5 football playing schools, but if both joined, they'd have 6...isn't that the magic number for an aq in football? does the provision mentioned in the article which might give a window for re-alignment without losing aq status apply for football, as well? would a re-configured cac be able to get an aq in football if they had enough members?

i hope that the usasac leadership has thought and is thinking about all of these possible scenarios and has contingency plans in case su and/or cnu were to leave
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 12, 2005, 02:09:35 pm
I thought it was seven for an AQ in any sport?? I know women's lax is adding a seventh team this year, NCW, and that gives then an AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 12, 2005, 02:29:40 pm
narch –

Welcome back, buddy.  I was beginning to think that we’d lost you. 

I know that you’re not “wishing us away”, but I do know that there have been others from this board (and football) that do wish that CNU would do just that… go to some other conference.  Every time I read that I am just amazed.  To me it smacks of wanting the pond to be a little smaller so that the remaining fishes would be a little bigger.  CNU has been, and I don’t think that anyone will argue this, hugely successful in the USASAC / Dixie for a very long time, in all sports.  We have vastly improved the reputation of the conference as a whole.  Over on the football board there has been considerable talk about CNU’s success causing everyone else in the conference to raise their own games a little bit (at least).  So I just can’t understand why anyone would want us to leave the conference.  And don’t tell me it is just a public / private school thing either.  D3 contains both.  Should ALL of the public schools form one Division and all of the private schools form another?  D3A and D3AA?  I don’t think anyone wants that.  The reality is that, were CNU to leave the conference, the remaining conference would be greatly diminished in the eyes of just about the entire college athletic community.  But, I guess if one wanted to be a big fish in a little pond….

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2005, 02:44:54 pm
narch –
I was beginning to think that we’d lost you. 
REALLY busy week or so...things should settle down for a daily post or 2, depending on what's being discussed

i totally agree with the rest of your statements, particularly about the perception of the conference were cnu to leave (even though the monarchs would CLEARLY become said "big fish") - the lady monarchs golf team wins a national championship EVERY year, and, sadly, it's just not that exciting anymore - if cnu left the usasac, there would be little competition left for the monarchs, and therefore, little excitement :)

i don't think it's LIKELY, but i could SEE where a re-configured cac might be attractive to cnu - umw, salisbury and saint mary's have OUTSTANDING academic reputations, as do the current members of the cac that are staying put...wesley and frostburg wouldn't necessarily help the academic reputation, but honestly, they aren't any worse than most of the usasac schools

goose - i think you're correct on 7 vs. 6
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 12, 2005, 03:35:25 pm
I still dont think there would be enough schools for AQ status in every conference tho. Altho, I havent had a chance to break down each school and the sports they sponsor. I dont think there would be an AQ in football, Salisbury, CNU, Frostburg, Wesley would be the only ones.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 12, 2005, 03:57:04 pm

BTW- Argentina used the flex when they gave Team USA it's first ever loss in international play.  It was amazing to see the NBA'ers baffled by the flex and it's diffent options.

I thought the Russsians (oops Soviets)  beat us (with the help of a clock operator) in 1972!!

Damn - I'm so old I remember that game!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 12, 2005, 03:58:57 pm
Captj,

Is theer a game tonight....???? What time????

  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 12, 2005, 04:46:36 pm
you guys get ready, b/c maryville is sending a team to Averrett this weekend and it is not our football thank goodness, we are about to show the usasouth how the gsac rolls
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 12, 2005, 04:53:51 pm
cnu85-
    I think the game starts at 530 tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 12, 2005, 04:54:37 pm
I hope that game is 730 tonight..or you might be missing  a shot clock guy
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 12, 2005, 05:02:11 pm
shhhhhhhh we are messin with cnu85's head, and Im sure by now he's had several beers!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2005, 05:12:14 pm
you guys get ready, b/c maryville is sending a team to Averrett this weekend and it is not our football thank goodness, we are about to show the usasouth how the gsac rolls
mattgrubb - there aren't any averett posters here, but the monarchs already found out how m'ville rolls (pretty well, actually)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on December 12, 2005, 05:38:58 pm

BTW- Argentina used the flex when they gave Team USA it's first ever loss in international play.  It was amazing to see the NBA'ers baffled by the flex and it's diffent options.

I thought the Russsians (oops Soviets)  beat us (with the help of a clock operator) in 1972!!

Damn - I'm so old I remember that game!!

You are right.  What I should've said was first ever loss in international play since professionals were allowed to play (1992). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 12, 2005, 06:03:09 pm
Captj,

Is theer a game tonight....???? What time????

  ;D

The game's tomorrow night, 85. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 12, 2005, 06:13:36 pm
Hey, I just figured it out… narch is actually ALL of the posters on this board (except me).  He takes a sabbatical and everyone shuts down.  He has several e-mail addresses and used them all to create dozens of D3Hoops.com user names.  I’m convinced that hoopshops, bspears, CNU85, leroy, Isoar, Goose13, sushotblocker04, nnasid, hasanova, ballgame, NewportPlayer3, eddie, scottiedoug, and obnoxuioussufan ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON!  narch!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 12, 2005, 08:09:09 pm
You figured me out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 12, 2005, 09:39:45 pm
Captj - if I didn't know better I would have thought they were serving alcohol in the President's room!!

Did you know the short version of "Captj" is "CJ"?? (pun intended!!)

88-57...can't get too excited..it was Maryland Bible! But I liked Kraut's shots!! 2 treys at the end! CNU pulls away with the third team out there!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 08:33:47 am
CNU President Paul Trible joins NCAA committee

I hope I'm doing this right.  I've never tried to post a link.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-37512sy0dec13,0,7460386.story?coll=dp-sports-local


If it doesn't work maybe you can cut and paste into your browser.

I'm curious what everyone thinks about this, specifically what it could mean for the USASAC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 13, 2005, 09:17:24 am
captj:

Congratulations to Dr. Tribble and the CNU community upon his election to the NCAA's President's Council, and thanks for the Link.  While reading it, I noticed that my alma mater Lincoln University (PA) Dr. Nelson will become President of the Council in January, 2006, succeeding Bridgewater College's Dr. Stone.

BTW Lincoln and CNU hook up in Myrtle Beach, SC on 12/20.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 09:30:26 am
I think this quote from the article could be very meaningful -

"The schools ultimately vote (on legislation)," said Woollum, "but this group is most influential."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 13, 2005, 09:52:04 am
If you havent visited the football board yet today, CNU's Justin Wood was named First Team All-American by the AFCA today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 13, 2005, 10:12:21 am
Hey, I just figured it out… narch is actually ALL of the posters on this board (except me).
CaptJ,

How did you know?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 11:27:59 am
Hey, I just figured it out… narch is actually ALL of the posters on this board (except me).
CaptJ,

How did you know?  :D

Like I said, he takes a few days off and the entire USASAC board comes to a screeching halt.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:17:43 pm
Random thoughts on CNU / MdBible –

I’m not sure what to make of our game last night against MdBible.  The most important thing to remember when assessing the game is just that… it was against MdBible.  I wanted to think they would be a worthy opponent, and when I heard on the pre-game radio broadcast that they had beaten a Division 2 school I was encouraged.  But if this 8-player team beat a team of scholarship ballers, then those guys should give their scholarship money back.  They have one guy that is really good (Curry) and a couple of guys who are definitely athletic, but something is definitely missing (like enough players to even scrimmage 5-on-5 in practice).

I liked seeing Coleman start, but then he seemed less effective than he has in other games.  Maybe he is one of those guys that are most effective coming off the bench.

I still like Barton’s game a lot, but I don’t think he’s back to 100% after his injury.  I like what Sean Branch did and I’d like to see him get more PT at the one. 

Selden has had to play a lot of minutes since he’s the backup point guard.  The pass he made to the MdBible coach shows that he’s definitely playing out of position at the one.  He’s probably the toughest guy on our team, and he’s as aggressive in the final minutes of a game as he is in the first, but I’d sure like to see his skills as a two utilized more and have Branch get some PT now. 

Lewis is starting to improve.  He had some good moves last night, as well as a nice shooting touch.

Speaking of moves, the spin move that Riley used down low to get a bucket in the second half left his defender completely flat-footed.  Very nice game from Riley!  6 of 8 for 13 in only 15 minutes.  Maybe he should get a chance in the starting lineup?

I like the improvement as a team from the free throw line (75%) and from long (53%).

I’ve said this before… opponents who leave Romeo open do so at their peril. 

Blasingame seemed inconsistent.  There were moments when he played well, but then he’d make a freshman mistake.  Better to make them now and learn, I guess.

CNU85 mentioned that our 3rd team pulled away from them at the end, but in my opinion sending out 5 fresh players at the end against their 8-player team was approaching cruel and unusual punishment.  They were whipped.  Of course our 3rd team of former high school superstars would pull away from them.  How would you have liked it (as a MdBible player) to see a 6-9 whirling dervish with great ball handling skills (McShephard) come in at that point of the game when you’re already exhausted?  But, the only time our 3rd team is going to see PT is when we win big like this, so you’ve got to give them the chance.  I just wouldn’t be too proud that they did so well against this team in particular. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 13, 2005, 12:18:28 pm
Hmmmmm....well, then....ball game last night; Capts had some pretty substantial rust showing in the first half from the exam layoff....10 turnovers.  They picked it up in the second half, only six TOs.   You could hear Coach Woolum urging folks to run their sets in the first, not so much in the second half.  Also spacing was much, much better in the second half.   Romeo had a couple of nice pull up jumpers....was good to see him score off of dribble penetration..... 
Looking at the next three games.  If the Caps go 3-1 that would, I think, be a HUGE success!

I'm really not ballgame or am I? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:21:54 pm
Hey NNASID, was that you behind the mic last night?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 13, 2005, 12:23:54 pm
I was there..but that wasnt me behind the PA...Left early..had things to finish off

I believe that gentleman does the PA for FB games...goose can correct me on that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:26:53 pm
I really liked the new guy, except that he forgot to play the National Anthem.  But if he's going to call our games he's going to have to buy an electric blue suit and break it out on special occasions.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:27:40 pm
I'm really not ballgame or am I? 

I don't know... does narch have a 6-8 bouncing baby boy?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:38:02 pm
One thing that often gets overlooked in Romeo’s game is his defense.  Because he can light up the scoreboard so well, we (me, at least) tend to overlook it.  Last night he was matched up against their best player for most of the game and did a really good job.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on December 13, 2005, 01:21:57 pm
Hey, I just figured it out… narch is actually ALL of the posters on this board (except me). 

Hate to disappoint you but contrary to popular opinion, no Narch is not everyone on this board. How's everyone doing in non conference play? I'm surprised someone...anyone from CNU hasn't listed game by game stats and scores. Anyone know how NCW looks this year? Anyone care? (Probably not). Since team records have yet to be posted, I'l take it upon myself.

CNU- 5-1 (Impressive, but 2 of those came against Southern Va., 1 in OT, and another is that MD Bible win that your currently talking about) Next game vs. Frostburg State shouldn't give yall problems. Unless yall committ 10 TO's again. Which apparently...is possible.

SU- 5-2 (THERE YOU GO Fellas, keep getting it done. Next stop MWC. I'll be there!! Oh and an interesting fact, this is the 3rd time in 4 weeks an SU player has been named conference player of the week. Hale, Onunaku, and Lawrence...GET EM!!)

AU- 5-3  Next up Newport News then Maryville TN.... This is just a hunch but I'm thinkin 2 straight loses for the cougars.

Now is when it starts to dwindle....

MC- 2-5 (I'm sure yall won't be there for long, but honestly, anyone care to comment on whats going on down there?) Spring Hill's up next... How will yall do indeed??

NCW- 2-5 (5 players who can't play together can't win! enough said) Hampden Sydney is next and we know how the ODAC hates losing to the USA South. OH yea they're 6-0 too. Virginia Weslyan beat NCW by 35, (then beat CNU), and lost to HS by 12. Hmm...Advantage HS.

GC- 2-3 Next up North Carolina- Greensboro...doesn't look good.

FC- 2-6 Next up Davis and Elkins, who they should beat as they already have, but hey, this is Ferrum we're talkin about. Oh and then they have to go play EMU.


So there it is, and after looking at it, I see why no-one has really commented on whats going on. But hey, maybe MY post will attract some attention. They usually do. Good luck to all in you upcoming 'games'. (could've said something along the lines of 'loses', but I'll hold my tounge)


Someone clue me in on pre-season rankings!!

GO HORNETS!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 13, 2005, 02:00:39 pm
captj-
    That was a snafu between the track meets from this weekend and others not checking to make sure the CD was back in the music trunk. They planned on doing the national anthem like every other game, but since there was no CD and no pep band, we know Coach Waters wasnt going to sing it, so they bagged it.  And that was the PA guy from football. He seemed a little hesitant and nervous at times, like saying Korey Lewis was number 5 and not 45, among a couple other instances.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 02:14:39 pm
And that was the PA guy from football. He seemed a little hesitant and nervous at times, like saying Korey Lewis was number 5 and not 45, among a couple other instances.

I can forgive nervousness his first time in the Freeman, and uncertainty over who's who since he's a newcomer, but I really liked his enthusiasm.

Now... the BIG question.  Does he get "the suit" with the job?

Seriously, is he a permanent replacement or just a fill-in?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 13, 2005, 02:24:32 pm
He is just a fill-in. Apparently, the man with the blue suit will working seven days a week for 10 hours a day at the oil refinery in Yorktown the exploded last month. So as you can see, he wont be doin much PA for the rest of the month. Dont know about January and February yet. There will one person I think doing the two women's games and I think Wayne Block will be doing Saturday's game if he's around.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 13, 2005, 02:41:06 pm
Hey now!! watch it! Me and the Blue Suit guy go way back....to the early 80's. But I did like the guy last night. I could understand what he was saying.

CNU better get its wins now..cuz once conference games start...ouch! It's gonna be painful. Remember last year we started 5-0 (I think I read that somewhere) and finished 18-8...meaning a 13-8 record...not too many back to back wins with that record. Saturday's game will tell more...but I think the preseason polls will not be too far off the mark.

Captj - I dunno about Lewis....he had too many turnovers early in the game and was tossing up bricks. He recovered, but I just don't see the Senior Leader like I was expecting. Selden seems to run the Tempo of the game, even when playing at the #2 sopt. He has impressed me with his leadership.

Dang - I better watch out my use of terms like leadership, teamwork, etc....some guy on the football board might read this and get excited and wet himself.....ooh rah!! (For you ABNRGR)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 02:47:33 pm
Captj - I dunno about Lewis....he had too many turnovers early in the game and was tossing up bricks. He recovered, but I just don't see the Senior Leader like I was expecting.

I never said that he was playing at all-conf level, just that he was getting better.  And if you remember his first couple of games... :( :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 02:58:34 pm
Captj - I dunno about Lewis....he had too many turnovers early in the game and was tossing up bricks. He recovered, but I just don't see the Senior Leader like I was expecting. Selden seems to run the Tempo of the game, even when playing at the #2 sopt. He has impressed me with his leadership.

85 –

It’s funny that you mention Lewis and Selden in the same paragraph.  I commented to my cousin during the game last night that Lewis is 6-7 and Selden is 5-11, but each plays like he thinks he’s the opposite.  But I do think that Lewis went to the glass stronger than he had in previous games.  He had a (near)dunk that was nice to see.  Speaking of which, McShephard seemed way too eager to get to the glass on that pass he took near the end of the game.  I wish he’d just collected the pass and then gone up and jammed it instead of trying to make it look like an alley oop (the pass was way too low for that). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 13, 2005, 03:04:20 pm
Well gents it WAS MdB, but again the team did have a pretty long layoff.   I definitely agree with Js assessment of Romeo's defense....dare I say the word "physical" here...again.   Jeremy and Adam both bellied up and got into Curry's wheel house!  He really lost his cool.  It will be an interesting couple of month’s….there is, in my assessment, a lot of potential.  And I do have it on good account the players get along very well—and I believe the chemistry on the court will continue to improve.  It’ll be interesting to see how the team reacts when the screws get put to them—that’s coming pretty soon
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 03:11:01 pm
Selden seems to run the Tempo of the game, even when playing at the #2 sopt. He has impressed me with his leadership.

For sure.  Selden is playing great, and his intensity is something that the entire team can learn from.  He’s definitely the apparent leader (at least on the court) at this point in the season.   I’ve always been a huge fan of his game at the two guard position.  I just wish that he didn’t have to play the point as Barton’s backup.  But the great thing about him playing backup point guard is just that… he’s the BACKUP.  I am so glad that Barton has proven capable of running the team so that Selden doesn’t have to play the point on the first team and can concentrate on doing what he does best. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 03:32:29 pm
It will be an interesting couple of month’s….there is, in my assessment, a lot of potential.  And I do have it on good account the players get along very well—and I believe the chemistry on the court will continue to improve.  It’ll be interesting to see how the team reacts when the screws get put to them—that’s coming pretty soon

I’m really glad to hear of harmony in the locker room.  I’ve suspected over the last decade or so that we’ve had some teams with real stars that have not fostered that type of concord.  If Romeo and Selden and the other seniors have been selfless in their positions on the team and have tried to develop the youngsters, they should be commended.  If anyone wants to read about how great programs accomplish this year in and year out, read the article “The Duke Way” in the College Basketball Preview issue of Sports Illustrated.  All World super-shooter J.J. Redick chauffeurs a freshman around campus in his 2001 Toyota Corolla, just part of Coach K’s system of building team unity and developing relationships between veterans and newcomers. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 13, 2005, 03:35:42 pm
I'm really not ballgame or am I?  
I don't know... does narch have a 6-8 bouncing baby boy?
my bouncing baby boy is about 22" and around the 80% mark for a 10 week old....doubt he'll hit 6'8" though...maybe 6'1"...hope he doesn't have my athleticism, though or he'll be in serious trouble :)
MC- 2-5 (I'm sure yall won't be there for long, but honestly, anyone care to comment on whats going on down there?) Spring Hill's up next... How will yall do indeed??
losses to wooster, m'ville and app state are not bad losses...sure, i would have liked to see at least one win from those 3 games, but i can live with losses to 2 top 25 d3 teams and a d1 - the losses to sewanee and voorhees were not good losses, although voorhees is a scholarship program, and you can never discount the ability of an naia scholarship program to get good athletes - i thought the monarchs could legitimately be 5-2 at this point, but thought they would probably be 4-3 - mc needs to split this weekend in alabama...a 2-0 weekend would be HUGE and show the monarchs are legit (mobile is 8-2 and ranked in the naia div 1 top 20 and spring hill is a scholarship program)...0-2 would NOT be a good sign for monarch fans

here is my assesment of what is going poorly for the monarchs - thomas, grant and lee are not playing to their potential and this is a team in need of some veteran leadership, especially leadership by example

seth is rebounding well (7.4 rpg) and KILLING it from beyond the arc (46%), but he's only scoring 12.1 ppg...the monarchs need him to be scoring 15-17 ppg, in my opinion

grant is NOT shooting well (30% overall) and is turning the ball over too much (24 to's in 7 games)...does anyone REALLY believe that will continue though??...he's too good a player to be bad all season, and i'm confident he'll pull through a tough start

lee is in and out of the starting lineup and getting inconsistent minutes, thus playing inconsistently....i'm not sure if coach smith is trying to see what he has in young guys like mcdonald or what, but when robert lee plays well, the monarchs typically are that much more effective

here is what is going well - as a team the monarchs are very balanced

brandon williams is stepping up offensively, averaging 8.7 ppg and shooting a sublime 47% from 3 (not bad for a 6'4" post)...he's got to step up and help on the boards, though (3.6 rpg)

radmanovic is playing consistently - dragan has been the most consistent producer on the offensive end for the monarchs (10.7 ppg, 44% from the field and from 3) and he's rebounding (6.1 rpg)...i haven't seen the monarchs play yet, but dragan needs to step up defensively, as well - if he can provide some defensive intensity and continue to produce offensively and on the boards he could be huge for the monarchs

the frosh have shown promise - mcbryde and mcdonald have shown the ability to score (5.4 and 6.6 ppg in 10 and 17 mpg, respectively) and mcbryde has had some nice games on the boards, but they've got to develop fast...the monarchs will need them to contribute big minutes once conference season starts

overall, i'm not that concerned - i know what thomas and grant are capable of, and i know they will step into a leadership role - i know what i THINK radmanovic is capable of and i think he'll continue to grow into his potential this year - i really like the defensive intensity that lee brings, and i think when he gets consistent minutes, he'll reward the coaches by producing - i like the upside of williams, although he needs to get more intense rebounding the ball and i REALLY like the potential of mcbryde and mcdonald...those two could be special...that has the makings of a really good rotation, and when you add mcevoy and his shot blocking/altering ability along with moore who has shown flashes, the monarchs should be alright - right now i think the record is an indication of a difficult schedule and coach smith tinkering around a bit trying to find the right combination along with some inconsistent play from the vets
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 03:38:45 pm
bspears - If we get some activity on this board we'll get everyone to their appropriate team.

OK, I’m going to bump one of my own guys.  Since the Panthers are unrepresented on this board, I just went to the Ferrum website.  Everett Foxx averaged 27.0 per game the same year that my guy Ted Berry averaged 27.3, PLUS; he did it over a 4-year career for 2112 points.  The 1st team is now –

Phil Dixon (SU) - 2297 pts (22.3/gm), 216 steals (2.1/gm) & 103 assists (8.6/gm)

Lamont Strothers (CNU) -   2709 pts (23.4/gm), 717 reb (6.2/gm), 286 stls (2.5/gm), 225 assts (1.9/gm)

Al White (SU) - 2001 pts (19.6/gm), 898 rebounds (8.8/gm), 190 steals (1.9/gm) & 108 blocks (1.1/gm)

James Boykins (CNU) – 1847 pts (16.5/gm), 1193 reb (10.7/gm), 247 blk (2.2/gm), 197 stls (1.8/gm)

Everett Foxx (Ferrum) – 2112 career pts, 128 career blcks, 183 career stls



Ted Berry (CNU) to 2nd team



So, is this our final team?  Anyone wnt to complete the 2nd team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 03:46:59 pm
i think the record is an indication of a difficult schedule

Holy crud... that's an understatement.  I hear that Michigan State has an opening on their schedule next year.  Maybe the Monarchs want to play them?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 13, 2005, 04:10:53 pm
Hey, I just figured it out… narch is actually ALL of the posters on this board (except me).

...

MC- 2-5 (I'm sure yall won't be there for long, but honestly, anyone care to comment on whats going on down there?) Spring Hill's up next... How will yall do indeed??




I haven't seen MC as much as I wanted to this year but, I have a feeling the problem might be inconsistency especially in the post. MC has went with several different lineups this year so I figure the coaching staff is trying to see who has the best chemistry together. I also, think the reason why Thomas, Grant, and Lee aren't shooting at a higher percentage is because there is no consistent post threat. Dragan is playing well but, I'm sure he isn't scoring on the block and causing double teams. Williams and Moore have played well but it hasn't been consistent. McByrde has also played well but he isn't physically strong enough yet. Therefore teams keep a lot of pressure on Grant, Lee, and Thomas because no one has been consistent in the post. They got open looks in the past because guys like Standley, Porter, Brown, and Hatch were a presence in the post. Without that presence on the block it is hard for them to score since they are not the best off the dribble scorers. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 13, 2005, 05:01:25 pm
This board is great I enjoy reading about teams in the USA South. I do have a couple of opinions. 1st Montrell McNair and Jason Childress both from Methodist College should get strong consideration for 1st team on the All-Time team.  They led MC to the elite 8 and Jason was an all-american.  Montrell put up huge numbers and was as good as anybody at the 2-3 spot.  I think one of them should be in over White from Shanandoah. He scored alot, but didn't play any D. Go Monarchs
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 06:20:00 pm
A newbie.

Numbers, 96.  Prove to us your guys are deserving.  We're not going to just take the word of a JV poster on his first shot at the board (BRICK).

Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 06:24:05 pm
captj-
    That was a snafu between the track meets from this weekend and others not checking to make sure the CD was back in the music trunk. They planned on doing the national anthem like every other game, but since there was no CD and no pep band, we know Coach Waters wasnt going to sing it, so they bagged it. 

Come on, with the millions we've spent on the spanking new performing arts center and our shiny new marching band, you'd think we could find SOMEONE who could either carry a tune behind a mic or on a trumpet!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 07:17:56 pm
captj-
    That was a snafu between the track meets from this weekend and others not checking to make sure the CD was back in the music trunk. They planned on doing the national anthem like every other game, but since there was no CD and no pep band, we know Coach Waters wasnt going to sing it, so they bagged it. 

Come on, with the millions we've spent on the spanking new performing arts center and our shiny new marching band, you'd think we could find SOMEONE who could either carry a tune behind a mic or on a trumpet!

I hear you have a pretty good voice, Goose.  You and FT could have done an a capella rendition that I'm sure would have been very moving.  Do you think 99.1 would have renewed our contract for next year had that occurred?  You blew it, dude.  Your chance at stardom and you remained on the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 07:55:23 pm
Montrell McNair and Jason Childress both from Methodist College should get strong consideration for 1st team on the All-Time team. 

Jason Childress!?  Come on, 96!  Since you’ve offered nothing in substantiating evidence, I went to the Monarch website myself.  He’s NOWHERE in the Monarch record books.  NOWHERE.  And you know what?  I’ve been going to USASAC games for a very long time and I DON’T REMEMBER HIM.  Now, I’ll admit that this may be greatly influenced by my failing memory, and I’m sure he was a very good player for him to have made such an impression on you, but I can’t imagine him even making the All-Methodist team, much less the All-Dixie/USASAC team.

McNair is another story.  I see that he put up 1739 points for his career, very impressive.  But he’s nowhere else in the Methodist record book, at least on the website (which is all that I have to go on).  So, that means that, for a career, he had less than 530 rebs, less than 214 assts, less than 138 stls, and less than 45 blcks.  And it may have been far less than these numbers because these are the lowest values in the record books on the website.  And you want to put him in instead of Al White (SU), who had 2001 pts, 898 rebs, 190 stls & 108 blks?!  I’m sorry… he makes 4th team, at best.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 13, 2005, 08:25:05 pm
We're not going to just take the word of a JV poster on his first shot at the board (BRICK).
not sure that was a brick...but it might have rimmed out - childers career numbers aren't unbelievable, but he DID have a magical season as a senior...1st team all-american...i think childers finished his career with around 1200 points...captj - if you had seen him play in 96-97, you would CLEARLY remember him...he was the best player on a monarch team that went to the elite 8 and was the first team to go undefeated in usasac play - mcnair was a flat-out stud and a frosh on that team - he's the best 2 i've seen in the diac/usasac, period (keep in mind, my history dates back to the 96-97 season)...he could dominate scoring the ball (driving, pull-up j's...didn't matter), but was a complete player on both ends and played well within the team framework - he is mc's all-time leading scorer with 1739 points (17.9 ppg average, 4th all-time at mc) and is also the monarchs all-time 3 point shooter with 246 - the mc website doesn't go beyond the top 5 in steals, but i'll bet he's not far outside of the top 5 in that category - anyone who saw mcnair play on a regular basis can't argue his inclusion in the discussion of top diac/usasac players, but his raw numbers don't necessarily compare with those of the players that captj has named to the first team and he played on a few monarch teams that were just average

as an aside, i think the 96-97 team, which finished 22-8, was 0-7 before the break...just a thought for those lamenting the monarch's current record :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 08:59:08 am
if you had seen him play in 96-97, you would CLEARLY remember him...he was the best player on a monarch team that went to the elite 8 and was the first team to go undefeated in usasac play

You must not be counting Dixie days then.  CNU went 10-0 in conference in 90-91.  We also went 12-0 the year after your guys did it in that glorious 26-2 season in 97-98.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 09:15:56 am
childers career numbers aren't unbelievable, but he DID have a magical season as a senior...1st team all-american...i think childers finished his career with around 1200 points...captj - if you had seen him play in 96-97, you would CLEARLY remember him

Admittedly, I did not follow all of the teams in the conference back in the days before we had “the internets” (G. W. Bushism), so in 96-97 I probably just knew that a really good player was on the Monarch team (if that), and who knows what he did in Newport News that year.  I might not have even made that particular game since I was not a season ticket holder.  Childress definitely had “a magical season”, but when you are putting together an All-time conference team (in my humble opinion) you can’t overlook guys that had outstanding four-year careers and go with one-year shooting stars.  That’s why I took my guy Ted Berry out of the first team, even though he had a great 3-year career.  Berry had a season much like your guy; maybe better.  27.3 points per game is the conference record.  He was also NCAA All-American (second team), and since we don’t know who the swing player was that beat him out for the 1st team we can’t really say that he wasn’t as good as Childress just because he didn’t make 1st team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 09:23:18 am
I dont like to get ahead of myself, but damn, Lincoln's Kyle Myrick scares the bejesus out of me. He's averaging 32 a game and scored 42 in a loss to Wilkes the other night. I think Im having flashbacks from 00-01, cant be Horace Jenkins again can it!! Apparently this Myrick kid is a horse. 6-1 guard who also has dished out 40 + assists (but has turned it over 41 times). Im looking forward to see this kid play, and apparently there are many pro (NBA) scouts looking at him for next year's draft.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 09:26:55 am
Kudos to NCW for going to the Fleet Center and almost coming away with a win. 69-64 was the final. The Bishops shot 45% from the field but missed six free throws while holding the Tigers to 37% shooting. Great effort on the road. The Bishops LED at the HALF BY 8 POINTS TOO!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 14, 2005, 10:42:55 am
You must not be counting Dixie days then.  CNU went 10-0 in conference in 90-91.  We also went 12-0 the year after your guys did it in that glorious 26-2 season in 97-98.
j - thanks for doing some fact checking for me...mc was the first team to go 12-0 in the diac
Childress definitely had “a magical season”, but when you are putting together an All-time conference team (in my humble opinion) you can’t overlook guys that had outstanding four-year careers and go with one-year shooting stars.
we agree, which is why i never pushed childers (not childress) as a first team, all-time diac/usasac player and it's also why i said that monarch96's shot was one that "rimmed out" rather than being a complete "brick"

if we were simply talking about single seasons, i doubt ANY diac/usasac player has EVER had a season like the one clinton montford had in '88-'89 when he scored 593 points (22.0 ppg) and grabbed 459 rebounds (17.0 rpg), but he only had a 2 year career at mc (not sure if he transferred in or out)

if we want to go beyond 25 years and compile an ALL-TIME diac/usasac team, jim darden CLEARLY belongs on that list - 1644 points (18.3 ppg) and 1206 rebounds (13.4 rpg)

goose - i join you in congratulating ncwc for a nice win at fleet - the monarchs broke the fleet mystique last year and it's always tough to get a win in that environment
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 10:53:10 am
hey narch, they didnt win, if you read my post a lil closer, it says Kudos to NCW for going to the Fleet Center and almost coming away with a win. 69-64 was the final. The Bishops shot 45% from the field but missed six free throws while holding the Tigers to 37% shooting. Great effort on the road. The Bishops LED at the HALF BY 8 POINTS TOO!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 11:32:32 am
cant be Horace Jenkins again can it!!

I hate that guy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 11:37:03 am
What die hard CNU fan doesnt?? Or should we hate Jermaine Woods just as much for dropping that inbounds pass and having it go out of bounds?? Im still not sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 14, 2005, 11:43:14 am
Goose:

I don't know who Horace Jenkins is, but Kyle "Fase" Myricks is alot like Allen Iverson, except he's built more solid than AI.  Myricks was honorable mention All American last year, and has a motor that won't quit.  Last year Lincoln relied on Jarrett Kearse and Myricks for scoring.  This year Myricks has a pretty good supporting cast.  I hope Lions conditioning pays oof during this 4 day run in two locations.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 12:12:23 pm
You dont want to know who Horace Jenkins was!! He was on the Pistons roster last year, actually. But I have heard that Myrick has a good supporting cast and he's able to make those around him better. Should be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 14, 2005, 01:20:00 pm
hey narch, they didnt win, if you read my post a lil closer, it says Kudos to NCW for going to the Fleet Center and almost coming away with a win. 69-64 was the final. The Bishops shot 45% from the field but missed six free throws while holding the Tigers to 37% shooting. Great effort on the road. The Bishops LED at the HALF BY 8 POINTS TOO!!!
DOH!!! reading comprehension classes are in order for me :)

nevermind...close loses on the road don't get you any love in my eyes :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 14, 2005, 02:10:43 pm
Goose:

Had a brain freeze!!!!!!!!!!, That  Horace Jenkins lol......Now I know  ;D.  I hope Myrick plays well enough for Lincoln that translates into wins and at the same time gives him "Pub" in his goals to make it to the NBA.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 14, 2005, 02:57:18 pm
Goose:

 Kyle "Fase" Myricks is alot like Allen Iverson, except he's built more solid than AI. 


umm...then why is he playing d3 ball? AI could play d3 ball as a junior in HS...but not as a senior.....he was cutting the grass in front of CNU during his senior yr of HS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 03:17:37 pm
AI could play d3 ball as a junior in HS...but not as a senior.....he was cutting the grass in front of CNU during his senior yr of HS!!!

Cheap shot.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 14, 2005, 03:28:50 pm
Goose:

 Kyle "Fase" Myricks is alot like Allen Iverson, except he's built more solid than AI. 


umm...then why is he playing d3 ball? AI could play d3 ball as a junior in HS...but not as a senior.....he was cutting the grass in front of CNU during his senior yr of HS!!!

cnu85:

I guess Myrick is playing DIII ball for the same reasons that Horace Jenkins, Devean George, and others have played for.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on December 14, 2005, 04:04:53 pm
This board is great I enjoy reading about teams in the USA South. I do have a couple of opinions. 1st Montrell McNair and Jason Childress both from Methodist College should get strong consideration for 1st team on the All-Time team.  They led MC to the elite 8 and Jason was an all-american.  Montrell put up huge numbers and was as good as anybody at the 2-3 spot.  I think one of them should be in over White from Shanandoah. He scored alot, but didn't play any D. Go Monarchs

Sup guys hope all is well in your seperate parts..... Just a couple things. I'll address this Monarch kid with this....SHUT YOUR MOUTH when you speak of Al White not playin any D. The tapes I saw of him, show a couple of opponents shots goin into the bleachers, or the other way down the court for a dixon lay-up or a White dunk. The man had more game in his right pinky finger than you ever will in your whole career. Got a problem with it, meet me on the court and I'll show you a couple things White could do. And I'm sure I know a couple other people I could hit up who'd love to show you their game too.

Second, thanks to Narch for the update on MC.

NCW lost to Virginia Wes.!! 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 04:32:17 pm
This board is great I enjoy reading about teams in the USA South. I do have a couple of opinions. 1st Montrell McNair and Jason Childress both from Methodist College should get strong consideration for 1st team on the All-Time team.  They led MC to the elite 8 and Jason was an all-american.  Montrell put up huge numbers and was as good as anybody at the 2-3 spot.  I think one of them should be in over White from Shanandoah. He scored alot, but didn't play any D. Go Monarchs

Sup guys hope all is well in your seperate parts..... Just a couple things. I'll address this Monarch kid with this....SHUT YOUR MOUTH when you speak of Al White not playin any D. The tapes I saw of him, show a couple of opponents shots goin into the bleachers, or the other way down the court for a dixon lay-up or a White dunk. The man had more game in his right pinky finger than you ever will in your whole career. Got a problem with it, meet me on the court and I'll show you a couple things White could do. And I'm sure I know a couple other people I could hit up who'd love to show you their game too.

Second, thanks to Narch for the update on MC.

NCW lost to Virginia Wes.!! 



96 -

Like I said; welcome to the board.  No, really, I mean it.  Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 14, 2005, 05:15:31 pm
for what it's worth, '96 was a pretty decent player in his day and i'm sure he could tell you first-hand what some of the folks we are talking about are capable of...i think he played both football AND basketball, right '96?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 06:45:14 pm
for what it's worth, '96 was a pretty decent player in his day and i'm sure he could tell you first-hand what some of the folks we are talking about are capable of...i think he played both football AND basketball, right '96?

I hope we didn't scare him away.  One post and gone?  You got to hand it to him though; his single post was like a strong move to the bucket, even if it was roofed back in his face.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 08:25:40 pm
Did you know the short version of "Captj" is "CJ"?? (pun intended!!)

I AM NOT Coach Woollum.  I promise.  I am also NOT one of narch's many secret identities.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AuRising on December 14, 2005, 10:56:49 pm
On an off night, Au rips Newport News Apprentice by 20 80-60 and has two days off to prepare for a tough maryville team who beat us last year. With wesleyan looking like they cant play together right now, dont be surprised if its us who challenge methodist for that conference title. 0 and 28, to 13 and 14.......we've been down, there's only one way to go.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 15, 2005, 02:32:57 am
At Spring Hill, at Mobile... Here's to hoping the Monarchs take the win % from a 28 to a 44. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 15, 2005, 08:48:49 am
On an off night, Au rips Newport News Apprentice by 20 80-60 and has two days off to prepare for a tough maryville team who beat us last year. With wesleyan looking like they cant play together right now, dont be surprised if its us who challenge methodist for that conference title. 0 and 28, to 13 and 14.......we've been down, there's only one way to go.

20 points sounds like a pretty good win.  Why do you say it was an "off night"?  And by the way... don't forget about my guys.  You speak as though NCW is the only team with a chance to challenge the Monarchs.

And I say this with all the good spirit and cheer appropriate for the holiday season upon us... welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 15, 2005, 10:35:48 am
captj-I expect to see you at the women's game tomorrow night and Sunday afternoon!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 15, 2005, 02:02:59 pm
this is going to be VERY out of character for me, because i'm normally RIPPING ncwc for their out-of-conference schedule...but here goes

With wesleyan looking like they cant play together right now, dont be surprised if its us who challenge methodist for that conference title.

rising - you may have seen ncwc play this season, and you may be basing your statement on your personal observations, but if you are using a 2-6 record as a basis for saying that ncwc "cant play together right now", i would caution you against that - ncwc is 2-6 against d3 competetion - those teams are a combined 42-26 (.617 winning percentage)...au is 4-2 against d3 competetion - those teams are a combined 22-25 (.468 winning percentage) - switch out 3 of those games that ncwc has played against hsc or vwc and replace them with 3 games against lynchburg or arcadia and ncwc could very well be 5-3 - don't forget that the bishops, who apparently "cant play together right now", went into fleet and come up just short of the upset against a 7-0 and nationally ranked hsc team earlier in the week

au may very well compete with the monarchs (and hornets, captains and bishops) for the conference title...i have a lot of respect for what au and that coaching staff has done and the cougars have come a long way from having a player who didn't make mc's JV team starting for them (which was the case a few years ago)...but let's not get overly caught up in the non-conference results - we all know that not all ooc schedules are created equally, and for the first time in recent memory the bishops have the hardest ooc schedule in the usasac
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 15, 2005, 02:21:39 pm
file this in the "for what it's worth" category

to date, each usasac team, record and d3 opp winning %

teamd3 recordd3 opp winning%
fc0-4.718
ncwc2-6.617
mc2-3.611
cnu1-1.600
su4-2.555
gc2-3.526
au4-2.468

what did i learn from this?
the teams that have played really tough schedules have lost most of those games and the teams that have played really easy schedules have won most of those games - i also learned that i think su is the biggest threat to the monarchs title right now, followed by cnu, au, ncwc, gc and fc

p.s. - does anyone know how to give my table a border in bbc code?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 15, 2005, 05:06:56 pm
file this in the "for what it's worth" category

to date, each usasac team, record and d3 opp winning %

teamd3 recordd3 opp winning%
fc0-4.718
ncwc2-6.617
mc2-3.611
cnu1-1.600
su4-2.555
gc2-3.526
au4-2.468

what did i learn from this?
the teams that have played really tough schedules have lost most of those games and the teams that have played really easy schedules have won most of those games - i also learned that i think su is the biggest threat to the monarchs title right now, followed by cnu, au, ncwc, gc and fc

p.s. - does anyone know how to give my table a border in bbc code?

Here's something else that this info tells me; that the conference as a whole scheduled some pretty good D3 competition for our non-conf games.  Only Averett's opponents have a less than .500 record, and theirs is not much lower than that. 

And for those out there that didn’t read what I just said carefully, let me again say that I'm only talking about D3 opponents, not schedules in their entirety.  Some teams have also played scholarship programs and others (CNU) have some cupcakes thrown in there, but our overall D3 non-conf schedule looks pretty ambitious.

narch - Why would you want a bbc code?  I don't think the British are very good at basketball.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 15, 2005, 05:09:46 pm
captj-I expect to see you at the women's game tomorrow night and Sunday afternoon!!

I told you what it would take.  Call me when one of the gals throws one down.  Anyone want my tickets?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 15, 2005, 05:17:25 pm
Speaking of unused tickets, I'm not going to make the Frostburg game on Saturday (company holiday party that night). 

85; you're welcome to climb down from the nose bleed section and sit in my seats.  Actually, you're welcome to do that just about any game since between me, my wife, and my employer, I have 10 tickets.  So far the most that I’ve had in the CaptJ section has been 6 people. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 15, 2005, 05:43:42 pm
Quote

cnu85:

I guess Myrick is playing DIII ball for the same reasons that Horace Jenkins, Devean George, and others have played for.


Quote

But HJ and DG are nowhere near the level of AI.....which was my point...you can't compare a d3 player to AI.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 15, 2005, 06:09:36 pm
CJ ...oops Captj,

Can't take you up on the ticket offer. I'm doing some work holiday party stuff, too. Thanks for the offer.

Whattya mean nose bleed section? Just because I'm in the last row? It's nice up there. I get to watch everyone's back. I talk to the camera guy.

Goose -  a few questions:
1. Where's the pep band?
2. Tell FT or CJ to put in a transponder so we can pick up 99.1 inside the Freeman. What good is it to have a radio station in Gloucester? You can't pick up a good signal in the Freeman or at POMOCO. At least at POMOCO they added 1490 AM (although they had issues with pregame, postgame, cutting away at halftime to listen to some redenck at Langley Speedway).
3. The camera guy listens to a feed from 99.1. Maybe, I'll get a splitter and listen, too.

CJ  - I walked right by you on the way to the nose bleed sectiona nd didn't realize it. Sorry about that. I also didn't go to the President's room at the half...I just ate dinner and the long walk down was too much. So, I stayed up there with my Pepsi and M&Ms. I worked hard to put on these 20 lbs this year...don't wanna give 'em up too soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 15, 2005, 06:41:54 pm

1. Where's the pep band?

Great question!   I miss those guys.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 16, 2005, 01:23:44 pm
...you can't compare a d3 player to AI.
how true...most are in college because they actually want an education and very few are convicted felons :)

iverson might be a uniquely talented player (he was when he was at g'town....i wouldn't know, now, since i haven't watched an nba game in over 5 years), but anyone who thinks that wearing a suit to work sends the wrong message to kids is not someone i would want to be compared to
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 16, 2005, 01:42:59 pm
85, you crack me up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 16, 2005, 02:34:54 pm
I have no idea on the pep band, we need to contact the powers that be I guess!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 16, 2005, 02:38:47 pm
Quote

cnu85:

I guess Myrick is playing DIII ball for the same reasons that Horace Jenkins, Devean George, and others have played for.


Quote

But HJ and DG are nowhere near the level of AI.....which was my point...you can't compare a d3 player to AI.


cnu85:

I never said HJ or DG were on the same level as AI.  The reference to HJ and DG was that Myricks was playing for an opportunity to play in the NBA like these guys.  The point to my original post was that Myrick played the guard position the AI does.

You were the one who made the crass remark about AI mowing the lawn for CNU.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 17, 2005, 12:03:50 am
monarchs lose 80-72 to spring hill tonight...not good...grant with 18, mcdonald with 16, antwin shuford (also a football cb) had 10 pts, 9 boards and 4 steals in his varsity debut - game story (http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50020)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AuRising on December 17, 2005, 12:15:38 pm
In response to the reply of my earlier post, it is true that averett has not played the difficult schedule that others have. But in all fairness, the guys can only play who they have to. That, i believe, is an error made by the coach. Scheduling weak looks good in the record book win column, but will show up when being challenged by a va wesleyan or a methodist/athletic cnu team. In other news, any predictions on my men upsetting maryville?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 17, 2005, 02:11:52 pm
Rising -

I was going to ask if you've heard of the proverbial snowball, but I see that Boor is back now so I'll give your guys a chance since they're at home.  I hope they pull off the upset.

Go Cougars!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2005, 04:46:05 pm
Congrats to Averett on beating Murvul just now (73-70).  I was afraid MC was vulnerable because of its hot start and being off for exams.  Maybe reading too much press clips and accolades on the GSAC board.  But Narch, don't get to excited about your rematch!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AuRising on December 17, 2005, 10:39:40 pm
Congratulations to my cougars who defeated number 22 maryville 73-70 today. Leading the way was freshman transfer shaun hagwood with 17 points. Also, congrats to jimmy allen who posed a great defensive scheme on the maryvill big men and forced them to give the ball up. We break now, but hopefully we can continue this winning streak. Next game: Lynchburg college, Jan. 2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 17, 2005, 10:49:01 pm
great win for the cougars...monarchs lose by 15 to the #20 naia d1 team - 2-7 before the break...need some serious magic - game story (http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50021)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 18, 2005, 09:37:28 am

NJLincolnlion...I guess I misinterpretted your post:


"Kyle "Fase" Myricks is alot like Allen Iverson, except he's built more solid than AI."

I thought you were comparing the guy to AI.

And...what did you mean by....."You were the one who made the crass remark about AI mowing the lawn for CNU." I don't want to misinterpret what you meant.

That was a general comment for those around here "in the know"......it wasn't a comment as a result of anything you said.

Anyway...good luck in SC....you guys most likely will bring home the trophy!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on December 18, 2005, 12:14:25 pm
Congrats to AU. Didn't believe it until I checked the home page, and the D3 board. Thats a good confidence booster going into the break.

SU beats Mary Washington by 6. 77-71. Didn't make it to the game but I heard they looked good at times, and a lil sloppy at others. Its alright though, a win is a win. Especially with 4 players in double figures. Watch out come conference play, its looking like its gonna be a tough one this year. 2 more OOC games left (Davis/Elkins & Lycoming).

All....(no wait)...MOST of the teams appear pretty solid and yes a good point has been made regarding strength of schedule. That being said,

Here's my prediction....

1. SU (We'll have some close games down the road but I think SU will manage to pull them out. )
2. Methodist (They'll pull things together but come up short without veteran ledership)
3. CNU (They always seem to hang around the 2 or 3 spot)
4. AU (Will surprise some teams down the line and may even take the 3 spot from CNU)
5. NCW (They'll definitly challenge teams this year and may make a move up towards the 3 spot somewhere around mid-season, but I think thats about it.) Maybe even a 3 way tie for 3rd. I've seen crazier things in the USA South conference. 
6. GC
7. FC


Looking forward to  Jan. 11 (first game of conference play vs CNwho.)

GO HORNETS!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 20, 2005, 06:59:16 pm
Let’s see… Keystone is 4-3 (24-4 last season) with the following observations about their season –

Losses to Marymount (3-5, 10-16 last season), Mansfield (not D3?), Bethany (6-4, 24-4).
Wins against Rutgers-Camden (1-7, 2-23), Oberlin (0-10, 3-22), Keuka (5-1, 11-13), Villa Julie (5-3, 18-10).

I looked at their website and found that not one single player on the team has started all 7 games, and only one has started 6 of the 7.  This seems to me to be a team searching for its identity.  They are obviously used to success (24-4 last year), but I can’t tell from their (very poor) website if they lost key players or not.  I’m guessing they did.  I also noticed that for CNU, D3hoops.com lists team records back to 2003.  For Keystone there is only this year and last year recorded.  Are they a new team to D3?

I predict a win for the Captains.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 20, 2005, 07:51:14 pm
So much for my prognostication abilities.  Keystone defeats the Captains 70-65.  Each team scores 30 in the 2nd half.  Captains shoot 40% for the game.  Romeo a dismal 1 of 11 and 0 for 8 from long.  I think I could BOUNCE one in given 8 attempts.  A couple of double/doubles; Lewis 20/10, Blasingame 12/11/5 blks.  Barton with 14 points, Selden 12.  18 team turnovers. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 20, 2005, 08:27:12 pm
keystone used to be a juco, i think
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 20, 2005, 10:59:34 pm
Goose -

Do you know why Matt Coleman didn't play?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 20, 2005, 11:10:01 pm
Captj,

your blind optimism is appropriate for this time of year. But after Santa comes, then what? Conference play. I predict CNU gets blown out against Lincoln tomorrow. Then, come conference time it gets a little rough and we'll see how a young team tries to hold itself together. What do you predict for the record at the end fo regular season? I predict 12-13 and an empty Freeman Center come tournament time.

Lots of talent...young.....too many turnovers, too many slow starts, too easy of an early schedule.....6-2...enjoy it while we can.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 21, 2005, 08:40:13 am
heard CJ pregame say Coleman had tendonitis and was doubtful at best
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 09:55:17 am
Ebenezer, oops, I mean 85 –

Predicting a win against Keystone can hardly be called “blind optimism”.  I listened to the game online and we could have won that game with just a few more bounces going our way.  And contrary to your “too many slow starts” opinion, we actually started strong in this one.  We led by 6 two minutes in and maintained that margin until about the 13:00 mark.  We also started the 2nd half strong to overcome the 5-point deficit, leading by five with 14:00 remaining in the game.  Keystone is NOT a team that we can’t beat.  I’d like to play them again with Coleman in the lineup and with Romeo having even a poor performance.  What he did last night was absolutely abysmal.  You can’t win when your senior superstar plays like that.  But this was really out of character for him and I believe that now that he’s got this one out of his system he will only be better for it.  And I don’t think that is blind optimism; I call it being a fan.

And since you asked; I predict a win/loss record very similar to last year (18-8).  I think we’ll finish in the top half of the conference, therefore getting the home game for the first round conference tourney game, which we will win.  I also think we’ll win the semifinal game in a packed Freeman Center, but won’t go so far as to predict a tournament championship (though it could definitely happen).

And since you’ve predicted a blowout today against Lincoln, I’m going to challenge you on that one too.  I think we’ll give them all they can handle.

Why so much negativity?  It sounds like you already know you’ll be getting a lump of coal this Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 09:59:12 am
Thanks NNASID.  Maybe Goose can give us an update on his condition?  You out there Goose?  We could really use Coleman today, but it's unlikely one day will make a difference in his condition so I expect he'll sit again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 21, 2005, 11:29:08 am
Hey everybody, I am back after being MIA for two weeks or so.  That being said, here is my $20 million fearless predictions...

1.  SU (I might be a little bias, but I really like this SU team this year.  Of course, we will find out more about this team after the first round of conference games).
2.  CNU (Picking CNU below 3rd place would be foolish).
3.  Methodist (That tough nonconference schedule will pay off.  I wouldn't be surprised if SU & MU switched places).
4.  NCW (Did you expect me to put AveNOT here?).
5.  Averett (Make me a believer ???).
6  Ferrum (Looking at their schedule/results this team isn't bad at all).
7. Greensboro (Magnificent Marcellous why have you forsaken them?).

Extra Prediction - My 'Canes 27, LSU 7

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 21, 2005, 12:43:03 pm
Sorry I missed all of the great responses and couldn't get back to you guys sooner.  To defend my post about childress and mcnair.  It is rare for mc players to put up huge numbers offensively because their teams usually have balanced scoring.  When you consider that and then look at the numbers that mcnair put up it is even more impressive.  He played in a system that ran alot of sets, just imagine if he played in the up and down system that shanandoah was using back then and probably still is.  Dixon(SU) was terrific, but white (su) i'm not sold on.  He did have alot of steals and blocks, but both of those stats are very misleading.  Nothing breaks down a team defense like missed steals and blocks, because when you miss steals it creates 5 on 4 advantages for the offense. missed blocks take you out of position for rebounds.  I believe that great shanandoah team of 95-96 was something like 19-9.  They had two guys who scored over 2,000 pts and another with 1,000.  But they gave up 100 pt.s six times, 90+ seven times. I don't think you can argue that anyone on that team was a great defender.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 21, 2005, 12:51:05 pm
by the way my predicitions are;
1. MC
2. NCW
3. AC
4. SU
5. CNU
6. FC
7. GC

should be a very interesting year in the league 8-4 may win the league.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 03:22:49 pm
He did have alot of steals and blocks, but both of those stats are very misleading.  Nothing breaks down a team defense like missed steals and blocks, because when you miss steals it creates 5 on 4 advantages for the offense. missed blocks take you out of position for rebounds. 

I need to get this message out to CJ and tell him to NOT let our guys go for steals or blocks.  Let those passes go through, guys, and by all means don't contest their shooters!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 06:33:50 pm
Although I can't find a score anywhere, The D3Hoops.com site is showing CNU's record as 7-2.  Did we beat Lincoln?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 21, 2005, 07:06:31 pm
lost 114-112 in OT
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 21, 2005, 07:18:55 pm
I cannot divulge any information on the status of one Matt Coleman.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 07:31:24 pm
Oh, the agony.  But SO many pluses.  112-114 in overtime.  Not exactly the blowout you predicted, 85.  Now, if we can only find out who has cast the hex on Jeremy Romeo, we’ll be ready for conference play.  Come on, Jeremy; 2 for 17 is not going to cut it.  What was going on?  Did you carry your Biology 455 text book onto the court with you?  I didn’t see or listen to the game, so maybe you had a good game defensively, but I think I could BOUNCE 2 of 17 in.

We only played 6 guys, 7 if you include the less than a minute from Purdham.  I think that CJ has found his guys, and when Coleman returns we will be even better. 

Selden: 45 minutes and 33 points on 11 for 14 shooting (8 of 9 from long).  DONTA IS THE HEART OF THIS TEAM.

Barton: 45 minutes and 32 points on 13 for 23 shooting (4 of 6 from long).  Like I said before; you guys are going to love this guy’s game.

Lewis: fouls out after 17 minutes PT and 19 POINTS!  What would have been if he’d stayed in the game?!

I predict that the subs are going to get a lot less PT from now on.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 07:54:50 pm
If there is such a thing as a good loss, this was one.  Our guys have to know that they can compete with ANYBODY from now on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 21, 2005, 11:58:00 pm
We only played 6 guys, 7 if you include the less than a minute from Purdham.  I think that CJ has found his guys, and when Coleman returns we will be even better. 
a 6 man rotation is NOT the recipe for long-term success in the usasac - what's interesting is that i remember reading on the front page about lincoln earlier and they talked about how well conditioned they were...they didn't exactly use that conditioning to run cnu out of the gym - great showing against a good team for the capts. - j...can i get a box score???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 09:30:57 am
narch –

There is a box score on the CNU site. 
http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/2005-2006/cnum1221.htm

You’re right about depth being important for long term success, but teams have definitely been successful playing 8 deep.  With Coleman back in the lineup and Purdham playing the minutes he usually does, that’s our 8.  Dickerson and Witham can also give us strong minutes; I just think that those minutes will be limited from now on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 22, 2005, 09:49:28 am
captj & cnu85:

From what I can gleen from reports, the Captains played Lincoln tough.  I don't know if it was the fact that Lincoln played four consectutive days and was tired, or if CNU is better than people are giving them credit for.

It seems as if your team did a number on myrick in the first half, however the second half, he exploded.  Good luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 09:52:23 am
Here’s our 8-deep lineup and who spells who –

Barton (Selden)
Selden
Romeo (Purdham)
Lewis (Riley)
Blasingame (Coleman)

When you look at it like this there is an obvious problem.  Selden is stretched very, very thin.  But if there is a guy that can handle it, he’s the guy.  He plays as intensely (and with as much energy) at the end of a game as he does at the start.  He just doesn’t tire. 

Here is how I see our minutes breaking down in a closely fought game -

Barton   31
Selden   36
Romeo   31
Lewis   24
Blsingame   24
Riley   24
Coleman   12
Purdham   12
Witham   3
Dickerson   3
TOTAL 200

Naturally, there will be games in which we will be able to go to the bench more, so these numbers should all tend to push toward the middle values as averages (i.e.; starters with less, subs with more).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 22, 2005, 10:32:05 am
Gents, I was one of about ten folks at the games….lol….but definitely enjoyed it!   Myrtle Beach is even busy in December!   Excuse my musings, as I am still a little tired from the drive.

First, hats off to Lincoln….those dudes can score some points in a hurry.  The scary part was Myrick had only four at the half….he definitely caught up for lost time in a hurry.   He is a strong player and very good with the short jumper in the paint. 

CNU vs Keystone…..we should have won that one.   If Jeremy could have had a half decent shooting day we would have won….I felt for him both games—definitely did not see that coming….could never get a rhythm going.  Good azimuth…always seemed to be a little long.   And to many turnovers against what I thought was a “fair” press.   Korey Lewis is playing VERY well on the offensive end.  Fouls—urgh—he has to stop bringing his arms below his waist when guys are penetrating the lane…he reaches way, way too much.   Like I said, we should have won this one!

CNU vs Lincoln…first half…..wow!   Fifty-seven points!  Donta….automatic…was just fun to watch.  However, you knew Lincoln was coming….   Korey again….offensively he was great….defensively…..fouls…he had one foul at half time….in a span of about 1:30 seconds in the second half he had four.     Got his 5th on a reach.  Had one thunderous dunk over a Lincoln player….was sweet.    Davon played a great game also against some very aggressive pressure.   Refs were definitely letting them play physical on the ball.  Ed Riley had a very good game off the bench.   Blasingame was not as effective offensively as he was the previous game and looked a little tired, but still had 13 rebounds.  Let’s hope Matt gets back soon, he and Ed have a good chemistry going.  Jeremy—tough afternoon—again just could not get in a rhythm.   

CNU has a lot of potential.  But, it’s just that potential.  Let’s hope Romeo can shoot his way out of it (I believe we go as far as our senior takes us) and we can cut down on TOs.   We’ll be fine.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 22, 2005, 11:30:01 am
ballgame:

Thanks for the recap on the Myrtle Beach Tournament.  Lincoln is heading north during the second half of the season, so I'll get a chance to see them in person.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 22, 2005, 11:56:16 am
Captj holds the record for most "I could BOUNCE" 3 pointers...I think he has 3 this year!!!!

I did predict a blowout by Lincoln....I was surprised we weren't. Maybe the depth we have deserves more credit. I'll remain skeptical until a few conference games are in the bag. It's one thing to be 6-3 vs 9 good teams..........but Maryland Bible, even a much improved Southern Virginia team, just don't stack up to what is about to invade the Freeman.

Captj - I know you are "being a fan". Nobody questions that...you support the program very well. You're just more optimistic than I am......maybe it's becuase I'm a Vikings fan and optimism crushed me in 4 Super Bowls!!! I hope by the end of the year you'll be able to tell me I was wrong!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 01:26:05 pm
85 –

I might be an optimist, but my optimism isn’t “blind”.  You predicted a 12-13 final record.  I call that defeatist.  How are we going to go 6-10 from here out?  Ten losses?!  I’m going to try to figure out how we’re going to lose 10 more games this year.

We play Maine Presque Isle (1-8) and the winner of Eastern Conn. (3-5) and Westfield State (6-3).  I guess since you have such a low opinion of our team you must be counting on a loss in one of these games, right?  Surely Westfield State (whose 6 wins have been against teams with a combined record of 16-32) is much better than we are so this must be 1 of your 10.

Fisher is 1-6 right now in NAIA Division 2.  From what I’ve been reading on this site, D3 has gotten the better of NAIA Div2 this year, so I’m not too worried about us picking up a loss against them in the Freeman. 

We play Carnegie Mellon (9-0).  Surely you don’t give our guys a chance in this one.  Another blowout for sure.  2 of 10. 

That leaves 8 losses in conference play?  OK, I guess we COULD go one and out in the conference tourney, so that leaves a 5-7 record in regular season.  Not going to happen, my gloomy friend.

Here’s what CaptJ’s crystal ball says – MAYBE one loss in non-conference play.  I’ve already made my prediction on conference play (see above).

You’re right 85; Santa’s coming soon.  I hope that lump of coal keeps you warm.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 02:54:26 pm
a) there is a difference between denying the passing lanes and going for steals
b) there is a difference between contesting shots and going for blocks

If you have a team full of guys going for steals and blocks, you have a very undisciplined defense and probably a very bad team.  As I posted earlier, going for steals and missing put your team defense in 4 on 5 situations and a well coached team is going to take advantage of those situations.  If you have guys constantly going for block shots a well coach team is not only going to shot fake and get them into foul trouble, but also is going to have an advantage on the offensive glass. Since it is impossible to block out the shooter if you are in the air flying after a shot.

Good luck to all USA South schools during the holidays
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 03:17:41 pm
white (su) i'm not sold on.  He did have alot of steals and blocks, but both of those stats are very misleading.  Nothing breaks down a team defense like missed steals and blocks, because when you miss steals it creates 5 on 4 advantages for the offense. missed blocks take you out of position for rebounds. 

96 –

I can’t believe you’re still pushing this.  Here’s your quote.  You were trying to diminish a player because he had a lot of steals and blocks!?  It just doesn’t make sense.

I understand your point that going for a steal and leaving yourself out of position is bad.  But that’s what you call “bad defense”, and players who accumulate lots of steals are NOT bad defenders.  Your implication is that because he was successful on so many steals, he had to have put his team at a disadvantage defensively.  It just doesn’t make sense.

The same goes for blocks.  I understand that going for a pump fake and leaving yourself out of position is bad, very bad.  But again, that’s just not being a very good defender.  I believe that, by definition, guys who get lots of blocks are good defenders.  And don’t tell me that Al White, who had 898 career rebounds (8.8/gm), more than anyone else in SU history, put himself “out of position for rebounds” because he had a lot of blocks!  It just doesn’t make sense.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 03:20:15 pm
If you have a team full of guys going for steals and blocks, you have a very undisciplined defense and probably a very bad team. 

 :o ??? ::) :-[
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 03:36:04 pm
captj;
my point is when picking an all-time team you need to look at more than the numbers someone puts up, because sometimes numbers can be misleading based on the system/ and or era that a player plays.  I will take McNair over White if I had the choice, I'm done with that conversation.

Narch give me the scoop on the monarchs, looks like we need grant to pick it up and for thomas to be more consistant. The new guy from the football team made a nice debut maybe he will free those two up for some easy looks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 22, 2005, 03:45:11 pm
Monarch...good points...however I beg to differ on a few counts.  If you over play the passing lanes and you're aggressive shouldn't steals be a result....and isn't the result of a steal usually an easy basket?  I agree going for steals CAN get you in trouble if not part of your defensive scheme…but going for steals ARE in a lot of teams defensive schemes.  

Pump fakes are an effective weapon....but shouldn't the shot blocker be just as disciplined NOT to go for a fake.   I know they teach you not to leave your feet down in the good old Tar Heel state!  Plus the shot block is also an effective tool for the "mental" aspect of the game.  If a guy blocks a couple of shots, don't you think the other team is aware of where this "shot blocker" is when they go to the hole and it might occasionally cause an offensive player to alter a shot.  I don't know to many folks who like to have "Nike" tattooed on their forehead!  And someone who goes for a pump fake every time is not a “shot blocker” by my definition.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 04:44:20 pm
Ballgame
Good points also.  IN MY OPIONION, teams that play the passing lanes are not necessarily looking for steals, but are trying to force their opponent further from the basket when running their offense, and /or trying to take away their opponents initial entries into their offense.  I agree that alot of teams overplay the passing lanes, but this strategy is very difficult to employ vs. well coached teams with fundametally sound players.  Because it opens you up to backdoor cuts and dribble penetration.
Yes the "shot blocker" intimidates some teams.  It is very difficult to block the shot of the person that you are guarding if he is fundamentally sound. Therefore most blocked shots come from helpside defense.  When you have an aggressive shot blocker, it forces your perimeter players to rotate inside to rebound on the weakside against larger players and it allow perimeter players to spot up on the weakside for open looks. 
I've played with and coached some very good shot-blockers and i've seen first hand the advantages and disadvantages of having them on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 05:03:31 pm
McNair is another story.  I see that he put up 1739 points for his career, very impressive.  But he’s nowhere else in the Methodist record book, at least on the website (which is all that I have to go on).  So, that means that, for a career, he had less than 530 rebs, less than 214 assts, less than 138 stls, and less than 45 blcks.  And it may have been far less than these numbers because these are the lowest values in the record books on the website.  And you want to put him in instead of Al White (SU), who had 2001 pts, 898 rebs, 190 stls & 108 blks?! 

White had 262 more points than McNair
White had at least 368 more rebounds than McNair
White had at least 52 more steals than McNair
White had at least 63 more blocks than McNair

I'm saying "at least" because those are the lowest values in the Monarch records, which means that McNair had less than that, perhaps MUCH less than that.

Why am I defending a Hornet?  Where are you shotblocker and obnoxious?  Anyone else want to put McNair on our first team just because " you need to look at more than the numbers someone puts up"?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 05:06:14 pm
96 -

I forgot to ask; what did McNair do better than White?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 05:40:34 pm
CaptJ
I love this site 8)
McNair had range from about two steps behind the 3pt. line.  he had a great mid-range game and could finish at the rim in transition and in the half ct.  He usually guarded the other teams best perimeter player and his last two years eveyone knew he was getting the ball and he still put up numbers.  White played the 4 spot and McNair the 2/3  so white should have more rebs. and blks.  The steals thing is more about coaching philosophies then pure ability.   If you can find someone who seen both of these guys play ask them who the better player was.

My first team
pg: Dixon (su)
2g:
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 05:42:31 pm
Let me finish that thought

pg: Dixon (su)
2g: McNair (mc)
sf:  Strothers (cnu)
pf:  Boykins (cnu)
c:   Foxx (fc)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 06:05:59 pm
96 –

I appreciate your passion for your guy, I’m sure that he was a great player.  And I appreciate that you got to see him do all those things that impressed you so much.  But I’m sure that Al White did a lot of things really, really well also.  But here’s the thing; I’ll bet that NONE of the people who will be picking the “official” all-time team will have seen every player that should be considered.  So, they (and we) have to go by stats.  That’s all we have.  To dismiss a guy with stats far greater than your guy without some tangible reason for doing so is just ridiculous. 

Someone else weigh in here, obviously neither of us are going to sway the other.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 22, 2005, 09:47:17 pm
To dismiss a guy with stats far greater than your guy without some tangible reason for doing so is just ridiculous. 
it's the system, silly...no monarch will EVER accumulate huge numbers, because that's not the way the system at mc works - the thing that was so impressive about mcnair is that he could put up 26 without NEEDING to get the ball every time out - i looked at boxscores and saw 25+ on numerous occassions when i thought he had scored 15-17 points because he was so effortless and efficient - i could be wrong (and unfortunately i don't have the stats to find out), but i think he was top 3 or 4 in fg% as a senior, and trust me, montrell took a lot of 3's - he was physical, smart and played hard on both ends - i never saw white, but mcnair could CLEARLY play...his senior year i thought he was the best perimeter player in the diac, hands down

Narch give me the scoop on the monarchs, looks like we need grant to pick it up and for thomas to be more consistant. The new guy from the football team made a nice debut maybe he will free those two up for some easy looks.
grant needs to start shooting better, thomas needs to score more consistently, lee needs to show up, mcdonald and mcbryde need to play to their vast potential and SOMEBODY needs to help thomas on the blocks...he's led the team with 9 rebs the last 2 games

i know the coaches (and hoops hops) are completely sold on hairston at the point, but i'd like to see him coming off the bench and slide grant back to the point - when the monarchs played with grant at the 1 and lee at the 2 last year is when they were at their best - i think hairston is best used in short spurts to push tempo - i know grant isn't a TRUE pg, but he played pretty effectively as a pg last year, and lee can guard any point in the conference allowing grant to guard the 2 (which he can do VERY ably) - lots to tinker with and some tough ooc games remain (@ vwc and home vs. a piedmont team that will be better prepared for the monarchs than anyone mc plays all year, then a trip to m'ville after the first 3 conference games)

and, for the record...getting lots of steals DOESN'T make you a great defender - i hope that sam porter isn't reading this, because he is a very big strong man :), BUT sam wasn't a particularly good post defender, but he got lots of steals because he had quick, strong hands...if his man kept the ball, he generally scored - glancing at the stats, sam was #2 in the conference in steals in conference only games last year, though - there are 2 stats that i think basketball should add, one which would help this argument tremendously...there should be an individual +/- stat...in other words, how many points did the man you were guarding score, and how many did you score - it would tell LOTS about play on both ends in many cases - 2nd stat deals with assists...if you dish the ball in an assist scenario and the finisher gets fouled, you should get .5 assist for each ft on a 2 point shot and .33 for each ft on a 3 pt shot - just my $.02
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 10:48:38 pm
It’s so easy to just say “it’s the system”.  But this is a conference with lots of teams and unfortunately there aren’t enough first team spots for everyone.  Face it Monarchs, your guys just don’t have the stats to warrant inclusion on the first team, and when the official team is announced next year you’ll see that I’m right.  I’d still like to hear from others on the board.

Just for perspective, was McNair better than Antoine Sinclair?

“and, for the record...getting lots of steals DOESN'T make you a great defender”.  Who said that, narch?  I didn’t.  I said “players who accumulate lots of steals are NOT bad defenders”.  I don’t think the distinction is that difficult to understand.

I do like your ideas about additional stats, but I’m not sure that a man-to-man +/- is the one.  Think of the great Russell/Chamberlain matchups in the sixties.  Russell would definitely lose that statistical contest, but look at the championships the Celtics won.  I’d rather see a +/- stat that keeps track of what the TEAM does, much like they use in ice hockey.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 23, 2005, 09:19:17 am
It’s so easy to just say “it’s the system”.  But this is a conference with lots of teams and unfortunately there aren’t enough first team spots for everyone.  Face it Monarchs, your guys just don’t have the stats to warrant inclusion on the first team, and when the official team is announced next year you’ll see that I’m right.  I’d still like to hear from others on the board.
i've said there would be no monarchs on the first team from the get-go...mostly because no monarch has or will ever accumulate big numbers...but mcnair deserves consideration - are they really naming an all-time team....i thought this was just a discussion among friends :)

Just for perspective, was McNair better than Antoine Sinclair?
on the perimeter......yes

“and, for the record...getting lots of steals DOESN'T make you a great defender”. Who said that, narch? I didn’t. I said “players who accumulate lots of steals are NOT bad defenders”. I don’t think the distinction is that difficult to understand.
it's semantics, but there ARE players who accumulate lots of steals and ARE bad defenders - good team defense is about positioning, denying and forcing the other team out of what they want to do...steals CAN be a by-product of good defense, but i prefer to look at shooting % and turnovers forced when evaluating a defensive performance
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 23, 2005, 09:44:35 am
are they really naming an all-time team....i thought this was just a discussion among friends :)

I thought so... didn't they do so on the women's side?  But if not, it sure is fun anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 23, 2005, 09:53:36 am
Just for perspective, was McNair better than Antoine Sinclair?
on the perimeter......yes


Come on!  That's like saying Cousy was better than Chamberlain... on the perimeter.

I'm sorry guys; I just don't see McNair on the 1st tea.  I think that Antoine Sinclair deserves it more than McNair, but I'm not stumping to get him on the team.  But if you insist on knocking Al White off the team -

Antoine Sinclair; 1736 pts, 1031 reb, 181 blks, 136 stls, NCAA 1st Team All-American, NCAA 2nd Team All-American,

According to the Methodist website, McNair never made 1st team All-American.  Don’t know about 2nd, 3rd, etc. because only first teamers are listed.  He never even won Conference Player of The Year. 

Here’s the Monarch’s dream(ing) team –

pg: Dixon (su)
2g: McNair (mc)
sf:  Strothers (cnu)
pf:  Boykins (cnu)
c:   Foxx (fc)

First of all; Boykins wasn’t a true power forward, he just put up numbers like a great one.  He was 6-3.  This team would improve immensely like this –

pg: Dixon
2g: Strothers
sf:  Boykins
pf:  Al White (or) Antoine Sinclair
c:   Foxx
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 23, 2005, 10:04:03 am
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“and, for the record...getting lots of steals DOESN'T make you a great defender”. Who said that, narch? I didn’t. I said “players who accumulate lots of steals are NOT bad defenders”. I don’t think the distinction is that difficult to understand.
it's semantics, but there ARE players who accumulate lots of steals and ARE bad defenders - good team defense is about positioning, denying and forcing the other team out of what they want to do...steals CAN be a by-product of good defense, but i prefer to look at shooting % and turnovers forced when evaluating a defensive performance

It is not semantics.  Free your mind of prejudices just a moment and read what I said.

“players who accumulate lots of steals are NOT bad defenders”

I didn’t say they were GOOD defenders, I merely said that the fact that they accumulated lots of steals doesn’t make them a BAD defender, which is what 96 seemed to be implying.  That is nothing at all like saying that getting lots of steals makes you a great defender.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 23, 2005, 08:55:41 pm
SINCLAIR, SINCLAIR, SINCLAIR. I forgot all about that monster.  He has got to be on the first team. Sorry Montrell but you and White are both second teamers. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you if they are trully trying to do an all-time team.

Capt J;
You are the reason I like logging on to this site, thanks for the debate.  My man Montrell could play with anyone though, ask CJ if he is among the best ever in this league.

Narch;
Thanks for the update. I hope Grant gets to play point this season, he did a great job last year and won alot in high school playing that postion.  He is a rock and hopefully that will get the Monarchs moving in the right direction.  I really like McDonald, that kid is going to be a killer in the USA South before he's finished.  Those seniors are warriors and they are gonna find a way to be successful this year.
 
Happy Holidays to all
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 23, 2005, 11:14:04 pm
Just for perspective, was McNair better than Antoine Sinclair?
on the perimeter......yes
Come on!  That's like saying Cousy was better than Chamberlain... on the perimeter.
EXACTLY...they played different positions - here is the quote from my original post (below), which is why i gave a qualifier...c'mon, j...you're better than that :)
his senior year i thought he was the best perimeter player in the diac, hands down

i'm not campaigning for mcnair, because truthfully, i didn't see enough of the other guys, and their NUMBERS look better...but i guarantee you he's as good as any of them...he averaged nearly 22 ppg as a senior in a system that just doesn't produce big time scorers, and i'll bet he didn't take more than 14-16 shots per game

and it IS semantics (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=semantics)...we are arguing the same point using different language, apparently
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 23, 2005, 11:36:57 pm
EXACTLY...they played different positions -

I was just hoping you’d offer an opinion without qualifying it.  I don’t think that two players have to have played the same position for one to say that one was a better basketball player than the other.  Like this; Michael Jordan was better than Karl Malone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 23, 2005, 11:42:28 pm
Capt J;
You are the reason I like logging on to this site, thanks for the debate. 

Thanks yourself.  I've said this before; it's a forum for discussion, not conversation.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 24, 2005, 09:49:14 am
Blasingame is going to be a solid player.  He reminds me so much of another freshman named Mark that would still be on our team this year if we hadn’t lost our Leisure Studies program.  I think he even wears the same number.

I was wrong about that... Hepner wore #52.  But Blasingame should feel proud in the #50; it's been worn by Terry Gray, Terry Thomas, and Coach Waters.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 24, 2005, 10:48:55 am
narch –

Break out of that funk, buddy.  I have never seen you this quiet/inactive on the board.  I know that a five game losing streak (with a game at VaWes next on the schedule) will do that to a guy, but there are a lot of hoops left this season.  I hope you’re so quiet because you’re out doing last minute shopping.

To everyone out there I wish you all a Merry Christmas or Hanukah or Kwanza or any other event you celebrate.  I have family arriving today at the CaptJ household for our Christmas celebration, so I’m going to be OOC for a day or so.

Good health and fortune to you all!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 25, 2005, 11:20:36 pm
narch –Break out of that funk, buddy. 
umm...it's christmas and fantasy football finals (which i won for the first time ever)...oh, and there are no games being played and nothing really interesting to discuss

i heard a rumor that there would be a usasac/odac senior game after the season...can't get confirmation, but that would be an interesting match-up

let's put together the usasac team - i nominate thomas and grant
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 26, 2005, 07:53:40 am
i heard a rumor that there would be a usasac/odac senior game after the season...can't get confirmation, but that would be an interesting match-up

let's put together the usasac team - i nominate thomas and grant

Wow, that would be great (at least for the hosting school).

Since we'll need 10-12 guys I'll nominate Romeo and Lewis, but they'll have to start playing up to their potential for them to get off the bench. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 26, 2005, 11:28:45 am
Hey captj, if its a senior game, Lewis cant play, he's only a junior!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2005, 11:32:49 am
And if it's not a senior game, then any non-senior risks losing a year of eligibility to play. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 26, 2005, 04:38:03 pm
Hey captj, if its a senior game, Lewis cant play, he's only a junior!!

Duh!  Too much Jack Daniels, too little eggnog.

Don't let him play... we want him eligible next year (thanks, Pat).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 26, 2005, 04:45:24 pm
Goose -

Any Christmas presents this year?  Maybe a 6-9, 250 pound clone of Shelden Williams transferring in this semester?

By the way... what's up with Matt Coleman? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 26, 2005, 05:08:39 pm
Speaking of Duke… I made some comments a week or so ago about depth.  I said that the Captains seem to have found their 8-deep mix of players, and noted that we played pretty well against Lincoln in a 45 minute game using only six.  Depth is important of course, but check out the Duke stats.  They have 7 guys averaging more than 20 minutes per game, one about 9, and no one else with more than 4.  Not exactly what you’d call a deep lineup, but it is definitely working for them.  This isn’t the NBA; wearing down over a 25-30 game season shouldn’t happen to these young guys.  I like our 8-player rotation a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 27, 2005, 09:47:06 am
Im not sure what the problem is officially with Matt, but I think he will be missing some considerable time. Dont know for sure tho. As far as any Christmas presents, I havent heard anything yet, but Im sure we will all know Jan. 3!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 27, 2005, 11:17:44 am
Hey Goose,

What's the camera guy's name? I figured I should know (and probably do, but have forgotten) since I've been sitting up there with him for a few years.

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 27, 2005, 12:10:04 pm
cnu85-
   I refer to him as Sweet Lou, or St. LOUis. Whichever you prefer.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: 78rmc on December 27, 2005, 12:48:14 pm
Pat, who actually won the CNU/Keystone game?  I saw articles saying that Keystone won, but the team schedules and scoreboard reflects a CNU win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 01:01:01 pm
When in doubt, go with what the release says. Sometimes schools can't manage the very, very complicated form we use to collect scores. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 27, 2005, 06:49:16 pm
Hey hey hey. I resent that statement!! Keystone won the game, whomever entered the score in the data_entry posted it wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 07:51:27 pm
I specifically did not say CNU posted it wrong. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 27, 2005, 08:03:05 pm
When in doubt, go with what the release says. Sometimes schools can't manage the very, very complicated form we use to collect scores. :)

This is specific?  Lord Coleman strikes again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 10:25:42 pm
Considering there are two schools that could have posted the score (CNU or Keystone, follow closely) I was very careful not to lay the blame at the foot of one individual school.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 28, 2005, 08:37:22 am
D3 Football is officially over.....and now the Egg  Nog is kicking in!!!!

Goose - yep, I knew his name....just forgot it......see Egg Nog comment above!

CJ - oops ...I'll call you the Tall CJ.........you're right  - 12-13 is not a good prediction....let me work on it...but I do predict more than one conference loss.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 29, 2005, 10:52:23 am
I know you didnt Pat!!

PS Carnegie Mellon downs ranked Rochester earlier in the year and now goes to Princeton and downs the Tigers on their home floor. I dont know how to take that win, considering Princeton was held to an all-time low of 21 points vs. a power program in Monmouth. Still scary tho when a D3 beats a D1.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 29, 2005, 11:40:51 am
Goose, what a great way to start the Spring semester.....15 Jan....CMU vs CNU....look forward to it and see you there!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 29, 2005, 01:47:52 pm
Bring on CMU....we will crush them!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 29, 2005, 02:15:03 pm
Lol...like your attitude '85...team starts practice today.   Sort of looking forward to hearing what's new and what's old....plus the status of Matt Coleman. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 29, 2005, 03:43:42 pm
Both of you Captains "insiders" give us an update when you have info.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 29, 2005, 04:12:27 pm
I see that my karma has taken another hit… undoubtedly from Pat for calling him on his truculent treatment of posters. 

I have a question for you Pat; are these websites your full-time profession, or do you run the sites for benevolent reasons?  The effort required to run them must be staggering, so that plus the existence of all of the pop-ups on the site makes me believe that this is what you do for a living.  Either way, thanks.  During basketball season (and beyond) it is my favorite website and I commend you for recognizing a business opportunity and filling the void.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 29, 2005, 05:39:23 pm
Pat does this for fun....he's into pain!!


Where's the inside news on the team.....any newbies...? Captj....if we don't hear anything tonight on this board...call CJ in his office tomorrow and demand to know - use the sponsor, alumni pull on him!!  :D


hey ....forget CMU...bring on Princeton!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 29, 2005, 08:24:19 pm
Pat works for sports weekly, i think is the name of itand hes some sort of copy editor too i think.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2005, 10:17:57 am
Pat Coleman has permitted me to moderate the D3Baseball message boards.  We have had a good response from the NCAC and the ODAC conferences about setting up a basic board for those conferences.  I will moderate the ASC and West Region Independent boards for the time being.

Pat has explained some of the ground rules on the ASC board.  There will be no editorial content, just hyperlinks to the schools and conferences websites and message board space for scores, commentary and links to press reports.  There are other thoughts on the NCAC and ODAC boards.  We have added a board that will track the NABC Poll.

I sought other D3 veterans' advice and they suggested that I post here asking for a volunteer who would like to help maintain a USAC Baseball board.  From the several names that may contact me via my email, I will try to select a motivated, well-respected baseball fan who has a good track record on the various boards.

Thanks in advance to the volunteer and to the fans of USAC Baseball who will use the board.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2005, 10:25:22 am
captj, I think that this is Pat's "hobby"!  ;D

If it turns into a successful business venture, it will likely be one of those multi-decade "overnight" successes.  :D

These sites would be even more successful, if the SID's and the designated college personnel authorized to publicize D3 athletics would use the site for all it can provide.  In the new media, the web is the newsroom.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 30, 2005, 12:29:27 pm
Wow!  I had no idea.  Because of the obviously monumental level of effort required to run this site I thought that this was what Pat did for a living; that the site was a full fledged, ongoing business.

Pat; I take back any derisive comments I may have directed at you.  You’ve got to be the all-time greatest D3 basketball fan.  No more guff from me when you become irked at us mere mortals.  And thanks for the site.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 30, 2005, 04:52:46 pm
ralph - i think i sent you this via PM, but it did something funky, and i'm not sure it went through, so i'll post it here - exactly what is required of a moderator?  I'd be more than willing to start the USASAC baseball conversation, and I think the strongest baseball conference in the country deserves some space and it's own board, but if moderating takes more time than I already spend on this site, not sure my boss is into it :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 30, 2005, 11:32:26 pm
ralph - i started a usasac baseball board, but don't know how to make a topic "sticky" as you asked - i'm cool with sharing moderating duties with goose, even though he is a cnu guy :)

for those interested, i've posted a poll and a discussion topic - this should be fun, especially after the monarchs wrap up their 4th straight usasac hoops title and make a run through the first few rounds of the ncaa's :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2005, 11:58:20 pm
I see that my karma has taken another hit… undoubtedly from Pat for calling him on his truculent treatment of posters. 

I have a question for you Pat; are these websites your full-time profession, or do you run the sites for benevolent reasons?  The effort required to run them must be staggering, so that plus the existence of all of the pop-ups on the site makes me believe that this is what you do for a living.  Either way, thanks.  During basketball season (and beyond) it is my favorite website and I commend you for recognizing a business opportunity and filling the void.

Thanks, but what pop-ups? We haven't run a pop-up ad on this site in three months.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 31, 2005, 12:28:24 am
pat - thanks for the baseball boards...you're my hero!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2005, 12:30:07 am
pat - thanks for the baseball boards...you're my hero!

Thanks. What does that say about you, exactly? :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 31, 2005, 11:09:58 am
I see that my karma has taken another hit… undoubtedly from Pat for calling him on his truculent treatment of posters. 

I have a question for you Pat; are these websites your full-time profession, or do you run the sites for benevolent reasons?  The effort required to run them must be staggering, so that plus the existence of all of the pop-ups on the site makes me believe that this is what you do for a living.  Either way, thanks.  During basketball season (and beyond) it is my favorite website and I commend you for recognizing a business opportunity and filling the void.

Thanks, but what pop-ups? We haven't run a pop-up ad on this site in three months.

I assumed that my pop-up blocker was doing it job.  I don't know what all the ads are called on the home page on the right side; that was what I was referring to.

On the baseball moderator topic; I'm sure that you already know this, but if narch was willing and able to take it on you couldn't ask for anyone better for the job.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2005, 11:17:24 am
As long as you're not blocking those too. We need those. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 31, 2005, 11:26:16 am
Goose and game -

Still nothing to report?  Or are you saving a big surprise for us?  I guess we'll find out Tuesday night.  Calibrate your calendar and watch, 85.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 31, 2005, 11:41:15 am
pat - thanks for the baseball boards...you're my hero!

Thanks. What does that say about you, exactly? :)

my wife would tell you that it means i'm psychotic...she has a hard time believing that i'm up until midnight surfing d3 sports sites and not something most others use the 'net for :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 31, 2005, 01:41:42 pm
Narch - I'm with ya!! This is our porn!!!

Hey...a baseball site is right up your stats alley....get ready to answer questions like this:

what is CNU's record for Wednesday games on the road following a road loss after a home win on Tuesday after 1/2 the team finshed a mid-term poetry exam the previous Friday?

I love baseball!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 02, 2006, 02:14:01 pm
hey ....forget CMU...bring on Princeton!!

I agree!  When was the last time we played an NCAA D1 or D2 team?  The last time I remember was back in the late 90's when we beat VaSt (I think they're NCAA D2).  The last time we played W&M was back in 89-90 to conclude an 0-13 record against them.  I'd like to get on their schedule once in a while.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 02, 2006, 04:51:51 pm
CNU fans!! Just heard and wanted to give you a heads up that WEDNESDAY'S GAMES ARE NOW AT 4 AND 6 PM instead of 5 and 730. Tuesday's games are still 4 pm for the women's and 6 and 8 for the men's tourny.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 02, 2006, 05:21:23 pm
CNU fans!! Just heard and wanted to give you a heads up that WEDNESDAY'S GAMES ARE NOW AT 4 AND 6 PM instead of 5 and 730. Tuesday's games are still 4 pm for the women's and 6 and 8 for the men's tourny.

I think we've probably seen the last of 85.  Changing the schedule like that is probably way more than he can handle.  His entire biorhythm and circadian systems are sure to be out of whack now, especially so close on the heels of the beginning of the new year. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 02, 2006, 08:29:15 pm
4 and 6 pm.....is that metric time? Just wanna make sure I got it all straight!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 03, 2006, 12:28:54 am
monarchs get beat 77-68 @ vwc, but lee breaks out with 24 on 6-6 from 3...interesting box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0102.htm) - no moore, williams or hairston...gotta get some details

2-8 with piedmont on the clock
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AuRising on January 03, 2006, 01:06:16 am
Another win for my cougars, beating lynchburg college 65-48. Cory McDaniel leads all with 18. Next game is wednesday at guilford, should be exciting.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 03, 2006, 06:32:00 am
monarchs get beat 77-68 @ vwc, but lee breaks out with 24 on 6-6 from 3...interesting box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0102.htm) - no moore, williams or hairston...gotta get some details

2-8 with piedmont on the clock

2-8 sounds really bad, but I'm not going to dismiss your guys just yet.  But if Piedmont wins in the Riddle, then you need to be very, very worried.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 03, 2006, 06:34:11 am
The Daily Press this morning announced that Matt Coleman has a stress fracture to his foot and will be OOC for 2-4 weeks.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 03, 2006, 12:28:14 pm
I told you it wasnt good for Matt C. And I wouldnt be surprised if CNU85 shows up at 730 for a 6 pm game tomorrow!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 03, 2006, 01:53:27 pm
Any new guys show up @ practice?

There's a game tonight?  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 03, 2006, 02:11:37 pm
Answered my own question...a new 6-3 guy somes to town..Jahmar Claxton. Anyone know anything about him?


Goose - I think I parked behind you yesterday at Home Dept.....I think it was you...the tags read "CORNFED"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 03, 2006, 02:14:27 pm
monarchs get beat 77-68 @ vwc, but lee breaks out with 24 on 6-6 from 3...interesting box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0102.htm) - no moore, williams or hairston...gotta get some details

2-8 with piedmont on the clock

Wow, narch... Hairston isn't even on the Monarch website roster any more.  Gotta get details, indeed.

I guess that you'll get your wish for Grant to play more at the point now, but what a way to get it! :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 03, 2006, 03:03:27 pm
Jahmar Claxton, 6-3, 215, Jr.

Googled him -

Washington Post All-Met team (Hon. Mention) in 2001-02 and 2002-03 at Hayfield HS

Chesapeake College Skipjacks (don’t know much about the level of play or conference/division)

Prince George’s CC (NJCAA Div. II)

From what I read he’s a strong post player who scores (high fg%) and rebounds. 

It seems like he was one of the top players on each team he played on, even as a freshman.


With Coleman recovering I’m guessing we’ll se him right away for at least short periods of time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 03, 2006, 03:06:52 pm
Found stats on Claxton from last year at Prince George's Community College

He was a forward....shot 158/271 (58%). Of that total he was 2/6 from the Three. He scored 397 points in 28 games (14.2 ppg). Also was second on the team in rebounds with 169 (6 per game).
Also he shot 63% from the FT...79/125.


I know he is 6-3...not sure about his weight.

You guys have fun at the games this week. Looks like I'll miss them!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 03, 2006, 03:18:21 pm
No cnu85, it wasnt me. I dont have that gay a$$ license plate!! I have one of my kids initials on it!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 03, 2006, 05:23:17 pm
hairston is done @ mc...he was exciting and quick, but i think the team will be better w/o him once a new rotation is established - still a possibility of a spring transfer at pg - moore, williams & mcevoy got a dnp-coaces decision, from what i understand - not sure if coach smith is trying to light a fire, or what, but i think mcbryde can really benefit from more minutes - shuford is pure athlete, and from what i understand, he's playinf center (keep in mind he's a cb on the football team, as well...not exactly the tallest venter in the league) - i HOPE moore and williams take this "benching" and start to play to their potential - if they do, the monarchs will be alright
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 03, 2006, 09:22:01 pm
95-46....10 minutes left..Yikes!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 03, 2006, 09:37:10 pm
CNU wins 115-57

Lots of bench play.....only 5 turnovers and 4 fouls....not a very physical game.
I only listened on radio......new guy seemed to play well. Billy Mac seemed to play a good game, too.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 04, 2006, 11:55:04 am
Random thoughts on the CNU – UMPI game.

Everything I comment on needs to be qualified by this disclaimer; we were playing Maine – Presque Isle. 

Obviously lots of high points in a double-up (115-57) game for the Captains.  It was quite a dunk fest in the Freeman. 

Every player on the team had double figure minutes except McShepherd, who had 9 because he was fighting a cold/flu, and he ended up with a double-double (16 and 10).  It almost seems unfair to send in a third team that is probably better than UMPI’s starting team.

Davon Barton with a double-double and one assist shy of a triple.  I liked seeing him drive through the lane so often.  I guess any trepidation he had because of his earlier injury has passed. 

New guy Claxton showed me a lot.  We expected him to be able to score and rebound, which he did, but I was really pleased to see his willingness (or even eagerness) to give up the rock with GOOD passes.  That’s a GREAT way to introduce yourself to a new team and fans.  We’re glad to have you, Jahmar.

Don’t look now, but Donta Selden is over 51% on the season from 3-point range (20 for 39).

Six players double figures in scoring, and NONE of them named Romeo.

What is McShepherd capable of?  He’s got speed, sick handles, and tonight I saw a court awareness that really impressed me.  And, oh yeah, he’s 6-9.  I hate seeing Matt Coleman in civvies, but I really like seeing McShepherd get a chance also.

Eastern Connecticut tonight.  I hope that the easy time we had last night won’t make us unprepared.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 04, 2006, 12:23:29 pm
Ill tell you this about McShepard, with Coleman hurt, he might get some playing time in the post, especially with his 6-9 frame. He was brought in originally to play a wing, imagine that, a  6-9 athletic wing, wow. But with Coleman hurt, I think the staff will make a move to him playing the 4 or 5, which he did well last night in 9 minutes of action.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 04, 2006, 12:46:17 pm
CNU85 PAY ATTENTION!!

Saturday's game against Fisher is now at 8 PM and not 7:30 pm. I repeat, Saturday's game is now at 8 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 04, 2006, 01:20:15 pm
Saturday's game against Fisher is now at 8 PM and not 7:30 pm. I repeat, Saturday's game is now at 8 PM.

What are you doing to us, Goose?! :-\ ??? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 04, 2006, 03:15:50 pm
Not my decision!!! There's a high school track me going on all day, I do know that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on January 04, 2006, 03:41:56 pm
pass that to your shot clock operator goose
thanks
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 04, 2006, 03:53:29 pm
I dont think youll have to worry about him finding out, considering who he sits next to and how many times the PA announcer will mention it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on January 04, 2006, 04:55:13 pm
What did you guys think of the small paragrpah on the d3hoops page that talked about CNUs cake schedule? don't that have 18-19 home games?

Donte Seldon is a great shooter and is just finding his role. last year he was trying to much to be Blake. Now hes just playing how he plays. He will get alot better from here too .. watch out ! ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on January 04, 2006, 05:14:31 pm
I'll also make sure to remind him a bit.
 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 04, 2006, 09:34:22 pm
Random thoughts on the Captain’s 62-57 win over Eastern Conn. St. –

Free throws kept this game closer than it needed to be.  We made 43% in the 1st half, 53% in the 2nd, and 50% for the game (12 for 24).  I think I could bou…  well, you know.  Blasingame had a good game otherwise, but he made only 2 of 6 free throws.  He’s way better than that.  He was shooting 82% until tonight.  Barton 0 for 2.  Lewis 4 for 7.  No one made all of their attempts.

The officiating was absolutely horrendous.  Those guys should have been required to clean the gym after this game as punishment for their incompetence.  Especially that little guy.  Once again, the calls were totally arbitrary. 

Davon Barton only played 21 minutes and was really missed.  We really need him in the lineup at crunchtime, and tonight he was on the bench in the closing minutes.  I guess CJ felt that he was just too ineffective playing with four fouls and let him sit.

Korey Lewis had a great 2nd half.  After an 0 for 3 1st half he puts together a 6 for 9 2nd to finish with 16 and 7.

Only 10 3-point attempts?!  We’re supposed to be a perimeter-strong team and we played tonight like we didn’t have any shooters.  Except for a key trey late, Romeo couldn’t seem to get open.

McShepherd had some good (but brief) minutes.

How can Purdham play 13 minutes and only have 2 turnovers to show for it?!  No points, attempts, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, fouls.  Nothing in the box score but 2 turnovers.

Riley once again effective.  He’s over 60% on fg% for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 04, 2006, 09:42:30 pm
What did you guys think of the small paragrpah on the d3hoops page that talked about CNUs cake schedule? don't that have 18-19 home games?

Be a little more specific about where the "small paragraph" is.  I can't find it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 05, 2006, 04:37:40 pm
Trying to figure out the next opponent.....here's some "stuff" I found...

they are 4-9.

common opponent was Maine - Presque Isle...they won by 15.

They beat Landmark college 128-27....that's right by 101!!!! Landmark shot 11/69  (15%).

Newcombe is a top scorer with 24 ppg (had 36 in MPI game).

nothing is a sure thing (Chestnut Hill), but I think they will find it tough in the Freeman
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 05, 2006, 05:32:19 pm
common opponent was Maine - Presque Isle...they won by 15.

That probably says enough.  I am pretty confident we'll be 9-3 when we play Shenandoah.

How bad must Landmark College be?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 05, 2006, 05:41:45 pm
Westfield State beat Fisher 99-85.  I thought that Westfield St. looked like a pretty good team when they played ECtSt in the Freeman before our game against Maine-PI. 

I guess it could turn out to be another Chestnut Hill game, but I really, really doubt it.  And would that be so bad?  I was at that game and although I was pretty disgusted with the Captains it was pretty cool to see those CHill kids so elated.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 05, 2006, 05:52:19 pm
How bad must Landmark College be?!

 
I am NOT making this up:

Landmark College - The premier college for students with learning disabilities and AD/HD

Check out their website if you don't believe me.
 
 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 02:36:57 am
I tell you all on thing, Greensboro College is not to be messed with. Thier record might not show but all that I know by watching them play they are a really athletic and physical team. What about the new guy? He is by far looking at the USA South stats one of the best shooters from behind the arch in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 06, 2006, 08:32:43 am
I tell you all on thing, Greensboro College is not to be messed with. Thier record might not show but all that I know by watching them play they are a really athletic and physical team. What about the new guy? He is by far looking at the USA South stats one of the best shooters from behind the arch in the league.

gullet - welcome to the board

are you talking about james newman?...i seem to remeber him playing last year, but i could be wrong - anyway, if you're talking about him being one of the top 15 shooters in the league, you're right - but statistically, i wouldn't call him "by far...one of the best shooters in the league" - here are the numbers from the usasac website as of this morning

3-POINT FG PCT (Min. 1.0 made per game)
## Player-Team                       G   3FG   FGA   Pct
--------------------------------------------------------------
 1.TOWNSEND, Antwon-SUM.....9     27    48  .563
 2.MCDANIEL, Cory-AUM...........12    29    56  .518
 3.BROWN, Cameron-AUM........12    19    39  .487
 4.HAGWOOD, Shaun-AUM........12    26    54  .481
 5.SELDEN, Donta-CNUM...........11    20    42  .476
   FRAZIER, Ryan-AUM...............10    10    21  .476
 7.THOMAS, Seth-MCM..............10    13    28  .464
 8.GRIFFIN, Quan-SUM...............9     12    26  .462
 9.LEE, Robert-MCM..................10    15    34  .441
10.JOHNS, Steven-SUM...............8     8    19  .421
11.ARRINGTON, Jarmel-NCWCM....9    20    49  .408
12.HARRIS, Keith-FCM...............12    22    55  .400
   WILLIAMS, Sterling-AUM.........12    14    35  .400
   RADMANOVIC, Dragan-MCM....10    12    30  .400
15.NEWMAN, James-GCM...........11    23    58  .397

no offense to gc, because i've heard they are improved over last year, but i'll tell you the team that SCARES ME...averett - we know they learned how to play some defense last year - look at the 3 pt shooting %'s above - there are 5 cougars in the top 15, and all of them have taken a good number of shots
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 06, 2006, 09:35:07 am
OK, here goes –

Final Conference Standing (returning players)
1) Methodist (Thomas, Grant, Lee, Radmanovich)
2) Averett (Williams, Boor, Brown, Gardener)
3) Ferrum (Johnson, Holley, Fuller, Harris)
4 tie) CNU (Romeo, Lewis, Selden)
4 tie) Shenandoah (Onunaku, Lawrence)
6) NC Wesleyan (Hall, Spears, Cobb)
7) Greensboro (Newton, Battle)


I agree with you narch; Averett is scary.  With so many guys that can shoot and Boor to do the dirty work, they could do very, very well.  Five guys with 3pt fg% 40% or higher, with four of the five WAY more than 40% and one of the five over 50%!

Conspicuously absent from this list... Jeremy Romeo.  I predict that by the end of the season he'll be top-5 and that Averett will only have 3 guys on this list, with no one on the list over 50%.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 06, 2006, 10:54:38 am
Taken from the USASAC website –

“The USA South Athletic Conference tournaments will get underway on Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2005 when the quarterfinals will be played at the higher seed of the two teams competing.  Then on Feb. 24 and 25 both the men's and women's semifinals and finals will be played at the Freeman Center on the campus of Christopher Newport University in Newport News, Va.”

I like this format a whole lot better than the 3-day tournament we used last year.  This way the #1 seed still gets their bye, but it doesn’t give them an advantage over the other teams in the 2-day tournament (semis and final).  This is NOT meant to diminish anything the Monarchs did last year, but rather just an observation; but last year the Monarchs played fresh against Shenandoah in the semis after Shenandoah had a close game against Greensboro the day before, then in the final played NC Wesleyan (who were playing their third game in three days).

Great idea, USASAC!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 03:19:37 pm
I tell you all on thing, Greensboro College is not to be messed with. Thier record might not show but all that I know by watching them play they are a really athletic and physical team. What about the new guy? He is by far looking at the USA South stats one of the best shooters from behind the arch in the league.

gullet - welcome to the board

are you talking about james newman?...i seem to remeber him playing last year, but i could be wrong - anyway, if you're talking about him being one of the top 15 shooters in the league, you're right - but statistically, i wouldn't call him "by far...one of the best shooters in the league" - here are the numbers from the usasac website as of this morning

3-POINT FG PCT (Min. 1.0 made per game)
## Player-Team                       G   3FG   FGA   Pct
--------------------------------------------------------------
 1.TOWNSEND, Antwon-SUM.....9     27    48  .563
 2.MCDANIEL, Cory-AUM...........12    29    56  .518
 3.BROWN, Cameron-AUM........12    19    39  .487
 4.HAGWOOD, Shaun-AUM........12    26    54  .481
 5.SELDEN, Donta-CNUM...........11    20    42  .476
   FRAZIER, Ryan-AUM...............10    10    21  .476
 7.THOMAS, Seth-MCM..............10    13    28  .464
 8.GRIFFIN, Quan-SUM...............9     12    26  .462
 9.LEE, Robert-MCM..................10    15    34  .441
10.JOHNS, Steven-SUM...............8     8    19  .421
11.ARRINGTON, Jarmel-NCWCM....9    20    49  .408
12.HARRIS, Keith-FCM...............12    22    55  .400
   WILLIAMS, Sterling-AUM.........12    14    35  .400
   RADMANOVIC, Dragan-MCM....10    12    30  .400
15.NEWMAN, James-GCM...........11    23    58  .397

no offense to gc, because i've heard they are improved over last year, but i'll tell you the team that SCARES ME...averett - we know they learned how to play some defense last year - look at the 3 pt shooting %'s above - there are 5 cougars in the top 15, and all of them have taken a good number of shots



I am not refering to James Newman, he is an outstanding shooter. But there is one more that is in the top 2 but it does not show in the conference stats because he has not played in enough games to show up on the  site he is shooting 55% from the 3-point range and with  the combonation of those two we will be tough to beat. Not to mention this player can also go straight to the hole.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 03:31:36 pm
I do agree with you looking at the stats, I would be afraid of the cougars this year. I am not sure how many people that they had come back but the will defently be tough to deal with outside the key. But, overall I think it will be a real tight race throughout the whole conference this year. I know in my first year around GC last year ALL teams played alot stronger and tougher in the  conference season than they did in the non-conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 06, 2006, 03:57:13 pm
I am not refering to James Newman, he is an outstanding shooter. But there is one more that is in the top 2 but it does not show in the conference stats because he has not played in enough games to show up on the  site he is shooting 55% from the 3-point range and with  the combonation of those two we will be tough to beat. Not to mention this player can also go straight to the hole.

Is there some reason you're not telling us this mystery player's name?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 04:08:21 pm
I am not refering to James Newman, he is an outstanding shooter. But there is one more that is in the top 2 but it does not show in the conference stats because he has not played in enough games to show up on the  site he is shooting 55% from the 3-point range and with  the combonation of those two we will be tough to beat. Not to mention this player can also go straight to the hole.

Is there some reason you're not telling us this mystery player's name?


There is no reason why I  did not say the name I am just going to say that there is more than one, 1-2 punch on this years team Coach Guluiski has done a great job getting this years squad ready for battle in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 04:11:56 pm
What are the Caps looking like this year? CaptJ
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 06, 2006, 04:45:34 pm
Gullett –

OK… you got me to bite.  I looked at the GC website and found that the primary player you’re talking about is 6-0 senior guard, Steve Berg (13 of 24 from long for 54%).  I didn’t know that a player could play for two teams in the same season.  “Mystery player” suits this guy perfectly.  He plays for Eckerd College for 3.5 years and then transfers?  What is up with that?  And he’s from Florida, where Eckerd is located, not NC.  In 3 games he’s averaged 18 pts, 6 rbs in 32 min per game.  It appears that GC went out and got them some offense.  Since he and Newman are the only players on the team averaging double figure points and GC is last in the conference in pts/gm, they needed to.

The Captains are still an enigma this year.  We’ve got lots of new faces, but some of them are showing us quite a lot.  My biggest concern, by far, going into this year was the pg position, but we’ve had that position very capably filled by Davon Barton, a local player from Hampton.  Some of the guys we expected to be the stars of the team haven’t showed up yet, in my opinion.  Donta Selden is the heart and soul of the team.  He plays with so much intensity every second of the game (almost literally since he is our back-up pg also).  You can read a lot about what I think of the team by clicking on my username and then at the bottom of the page click on “Show the last posts of this person”.  After almost every game I write down my “random thoughts”.

Welcome to the board.  Are you a former player or are you affiliated with the school?  I see that you have a gboro.edu e-mail address.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 04:53:35 pm
I am a student here at the colllege that follows college basketball closely. I have alot of ties to the athletic department here at GC. I am not an atlete I just love athletics and some of the people on the board might know me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 06, 2006, 04:58:00 pm
aahhhh...an athletic supporter!!

welcome to da board....watch out for Captj and Narch - they remember EVERYTHING!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 06, 2006, 04:58:37 pm
Captj -

nice touch having the halftime stat sheet delivered to the President's Room.......thanks!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 05:04:13 pm
Does anyone in this confrernce talk on the Womens part of this site?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 06, 2006, 05:06:20 pm
Captj will only talk on the lady board when one of them slams one down.....heck, even Captj can bounce one in!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 05:27:33 pm
Thats ok...cnu85 what is your opinon on what is to come in the confernce this season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 06, 2006, 05:31:39 pm
Captj will only talk on the lady board when one of them slams one down.....heck, even Captj can bounce one in!

And 25 years ago I could slam one down too.  Better make that 30 years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 06, 2006, 09:49:28 pm
If Im not mistaken, didnt Coach Guluski come from Eckerd College?? I know he was a finalist for the GC job last year when Rusty LaRue beat him out for it.  So Im thinking thats the connection between the new kid and GC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 06, 2006, 10:19:46 pm
forgive me if i take an "i'll believe it when i see it" attitude about gc...i've heard about how good gc would be for a number of years and i've yet to see it - a few years ago they had a 7' wfu transfer and were one of d3's tallest teams...they weren't very good - then they bring in local hero and former nba player rusty larue along w/ another d1 transfer....they weren't very good - i still believe in my monarchs and i think a very tough sched, better chemistry and a more clearly defined rotation will lead to a little run that will hopefully start on sunday w/ piedmont - i'm looking forward to that game...from an x's and o's standpoint it is one of the toughest on the mc sched - coach glenn at pc played for and coached under coach smith, so he has a little familiarity w/ what mc does
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2006, 10:22:29 pm
What did you guys think of the small paragrpah on the d3hoops page that talked about CNUs cake schedule? don't that have 18-19 home games?

Be a little more specific about where the "small paragraph" is.  I can't find it.

Perhaps he's talking about an item in the Daily Dose from Nov. 14, 2005:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=71
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 10:53:15 pm
That is the connection of the two, Goose. All that I know is that the Monarchs lost thier main power this past season in Porter, he is gone so that will be a HUGE hole in the middle of that defense so we will have to see what they are on Wed. night when they make the trip into the madhouse on McGee St. on the campus of GC. The students will be back and it will be a dog fight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 07, 2006, 12:06:23 am
All that I know is that the Monarchs lost thier main power this past season in Porter, he is gone so that will be a HUGE hole in the middle of that defense so we will have to see what they are on Wed. night
you're right, and i may have underestimated the effect of losing porter would have on this team early...but i can assure you his defense is NOT what the monarchs are missing...sam porter was not a very good post defender - what the monarchs ARE missing is his rebounding ability, his desire to win and most of all, his LEADERSHIP - there are guys on this team that can replace all of those things if they just step up and do it!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 07, 2006, 08:24:42 am
Gullett,

Do you want my public opinion or private? I've posted publicly that I felt CNU would fiish 12-13 and not see a post season gamein the Freeman. That comment took about 5 years of breath away from Captj. I felt at the time that CNU was going to have issues with being young, and when they get into tough games agaist tough teams they would fall apart. They didn't look good against then #5 VWC.

Privately (only Captj knows) my confidence has been given a boost. They played well and almost beat Lincoln. took 'em to OT. Lincoln is a top 25 team. I see a team chemistry developing. I see a leader on the floor in Selden. I see a Freshmen PG playing extremely well. I see Blasingame making the transition to college hoops very well. He looked lost the first game, slightly confused the second, and now he starts. He must be a smart kid. He's been great.

I see Romeo shooting the lights out, then goes into a funk on the road. Lots of road games coming up. Let's see what happens.

I see a team with solid starters in Barton, Seldon, Romeo, and Blasingame. Then I see a bench with not much drop off in areas. Lewis goes hot and cold and when he sits down, Ed Riley, Billy Mac, Coleman (when healthy) step right in. Even Dickerson was "bouncing" in some threes the other night.

I see a team that does not give up and that is the most fun aspect of their game to watch. I'm looking forward to conference play when the intensity picks up.
 I predict a record close to last year...say......17-8 in the regular season. could be 19-7. It'll be tough to get a 20 win season.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 07, 2006, 08:26:27 am
Captj - do I get a Karma point for that post?????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 07, 2006, 08:27:08 am
I think CJ is trying to schedule Landmark College next year!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 07, 2006, 09:06:33 am
What did you guys think of the small paragrpah on the d3hoops page that talked about CNUs cake schedule? don't that have 18-19 home games?

Be a little more specific about where the "small paragraph" is.  I can't find it.

Perhaps he's talking about an item in the Daily Dose from Nov. 14, 2005:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=71

Thanks, Pat.  And the item warrants a spotlight for those of us that missed it back in November so I’ll paste it here –

Who are these guys? That’s the theme of the season for Christopher Newport, which opens the season with Southern Virginia. They also play St. Joseph of Vermont, Maryland Bible, Fisher College (not St. John Fisher, of course), Maine-Presque Isle and Keystone, plus they will play either Maryland Bible or Southern Virginia a second time since both are in their Thanksgiving tournament. Sorry. Only one turkey at that tournament, and it’s CNU’s schedule, with a whopping one in-region non-conference game, five games against non-Division III members and two more against provisional D-III members.

To answer NewportPlayer3’s question, I think that most of us are really disappointed with CNU’s “cake” schedule.  I know that I am.  And frankly, I’d like to know WHY this has happened for the second year in a row.  Maybe CJ thinks this is what CNU fans want, I don’t know.  Maybe he’s had a hard time getting good teams to play us, which is what I used to hear years ago.  But I don’t think anyone is scared of us now, and although it’s nice seeing the team so often during the non-conference schedule, I would like to see our guys get a little tougher for away games and I would gladly give up a couple of our cupcake home games in order for that to happen.  Maybe it has something to do with the two tournaments we host each year.  For each one, CJ has to schedule not one team, but three.  Do all teams host tournaments like we do?  The most unworthy opponents we play seem to come in the opening round of these tournaments.  I don’t know how much Days Inn is giving us for their tournament, but I’m guessing it isn’t much.  And I’m certain it isn’t worth it.

Anyway, I’ve posted most of these comments before, and have even suggested (lately) that we should try to get NCAA D1 & D2 teams on the schedule, but I don’t think that CJ logs onto this website and he probably doesn’t care what I think.  But if you do, CJ; I’m a fan who has dug into his wallet in a big way to support the Captains, and I want tougher teams in the Freeman (and on the road).  CNU has a history of champions, and the schedules we’ve had the last few years are not preparing us for that level of performance. 

Just say "NO" to Landmark College!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 07, 2006, 09:14:28 am
Captj - do I get a Karma point for that post?????

You sure do... it's nice having you back from the dark side.

Speaking of karma, who's dinging me again?  After I came to my senses regarding Pat it climbed out of red numbers, and I made a New Year's resolution to be a kinder, gentler poster this year, but I'm back in the red again.  Waddid I do?  Too much posting? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 07, 2006, 11:05:33 am
Dang...I've noticed lately that my Karma keeps going up, Yet every time I get on the board everyone else's drops one. I'll be back in 18 hours and see if it continues!!

 ;D ;D ;D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 07, 2006, 06:26:25 pm
The Cougars go down today in a tough one at HOME!! They drop a 79-77 decision to Piedmont.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 07, 2006, 10:24:05 pm
goose - that piedmont game wasn't as close as the score looks, either - pc had a double digit lead with under 2 minutes left - makes the pc game for the monarchs even more important/scary - beating them would be a nice win as they're 6-4 (4-2 in region) right now
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 07, 2006, 11:19:46 pm
Thanks for the info narch, didnt know any details and I didnt listen to any of the game, just saw the score. Good luck tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 08, 2006, 10:18:03 am
I don’t think that CJ logs onto this website and he probably doesn’t care what I think. 

I think CJ Woollum DOES log onto this website and he definitely DOES care what I think.  Last night I was later than usual arriving for the Captain’s game against Fisher and was still in my car when FT and Goose interviewed CJ before the game.  He went through all of the usual pre-game stuff and then addressed very directly, and at length, the complaints about CNU’s schedule.  I swear it felt like he was talking to me, even though I’m certainly not the only one that has complained about the issue.  I can tell you this; he knows the schedule is weak, and it is not intentional.  He wants to schedule tougher competition but is unable to get teams to play us.  He said that he has offered to play away first in order to get the CAC and ODAC teams to play us, but that they just won’t do it.  The only ODAC teams that have been willing to play us are RMC and VWC.  The only CAC teams I can remember playing is Salisbury and Marymount.  I think he’s doing all he can do. 

All of this discussion about how difficult it is to put together a good schedule makes you really admire the teams that do so.  In checking out the CAC teams I looked at York (PA).  What a schedule they have!  They were at best a mediocre team for the three years before last year, when they went 28-4.  This year every opponent is an NCAA D3 team.  Non-conference games and last year’s records – DeSales 20-8, Dickenson 8-17, Gettysburg 16-11, Albright 21-7, Juniata 9-16, Mount Union 14-13, Ursinus 18-10, Brockport St. 18-10, Lebanon Valley 20-7, Messiah 19-6, Hood 12-13.  Only 2 of these teams are out of their region.  Now this is a great schedule.  And you know what?  York has won all of these games this year except for the Hood game which hasn’t been played yet.

Maybe the better teams really don’t want to play the better teams.  Maybe York was able to put this schedule together when they were a mediocre team.  Maybe the foundation for this year’s schedule was formed the year before last when they were 11-15.  Maybe good teams want to play mediocre teams in their non-conference schedule.

That’s a lot of maybes.  I just know that you can’t have it both ways.  We haven’t had the greatest of success the last few years so surely teams aren’t afraid of us now.  Let’s see a schedule like York’s next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 08, 2006, 11:14:42 am
Random thoughts on the CNU/Fisher game –

Fisher was simply outmatched and outmanned.  They dressed only 6 players.  Two of their guys are really, really good, but the rest were just not up for this level of play.

The Captains played really well.  I was glad to see a game without a lot of turnovers and with good shooting.  Fg% for the game was 55% vs. 36% for Fisher.

I really liked all the assists (31).  We seemed really willing to pass the ball to the open man.  Some of the assists were really, really nice.

Barton continues to impress.  13 pts, 6 rebs, 7 assts, 0 turnovers.  And for a change, he led the team in minutes instead of Selden.  This guy just doesn’t play like a freshman.

After our last game I questioned Purdham’s stats, and once again his stats aren’t noteworthy.  But the guy was really hustling last night.  He forced a 5-second violation with his defense, had a really nice assist, and should have had another (even nicer) assist except the shooter missed the easy shot.  No turnovers and 1 steal.  And, oh yeah; it was his birthday.  Happy birthday, Adam.  And good game.

Romeo found his stroke.  3 for 6 from long.  He’d have been 3 for 5 without the ill advised attempt from almost half court that earned him an immediate spot on the bench.  Good defense, as usual. 

Selden becoming mere mortal again with his 3pt shooting.  It seemed like a quiet game from him (12 pts, 3 rebs, 5 assts, 0 tos, 2 blks, 1 stl).

Blasingame also continues to impress.  Another guy that doesn’t play like a freshman.  He was 6 for 8 on fg attempts for 12 pts, 7 rebs, 5 blks.  He attempted one 3-pt shot that seemed to make the fans laugh for some strange reason.  The shot was barely off line, and I predict that he’s going to begin taking more of those shots at some point in his future, maybe next year.  Remember Terry Gray, USASAC fans?

McShepard had 7 pts, 4 rebs, 2 blks, 2 assts in only 11 minutes.  But he also had 3 turnovers.  And, oh yeah; he too is just a freshman.

Claxton is so strong.  In the post-game interview CJ made a comment that Claxton would be a significant contributor in conference play.

Lewis with a good game.  I’ve never see a player have so many near-misses on his fg attempts.  It seems like every shot he misses is a rim out.

Riley also with a good game.  He continues to make the most of his shots.  His 5 for 8 shooting for 12 pts is right in line with what he’s done all year (61% and 11 pts/gm).

We still can’t seem to make free throws (4 for 8, 50%).

It hurts to see Matt Coleman sitting on the bench in civvies.  He was doing so much for the team before his injury.  Now I’m concerned that during his healing we’ve found some good lineup combinations (and a new player) and that when he’s recovered he won’t see the playing time that he had been getting.  His story is so great that it will ruin the Hollywood script if he doesn’t come back and contribute like he had been.

Go Captains!  Beat Shenandoah!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 08, 2006, 11:17:44 am
my Karma keeps going up, Yet every time I get on the board everyone else's drops one
That explains it.  Et tu, Brute?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 08, 2006, 07:26:03 pm
FYI CNU Fans, Carnegie Mellon goes to NYU and defeats them in double OT to improve to 12-1. NYU was unbeaten headed into today's game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 08, 2006, 07:41:06 pm
Keep all sharp objects away from narch. :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: dblock on January 08, 2006, 08:10:59 pm
FYI CNU Fans, Carnegie Mellon goes to NYU and defeats them in double OT to improve to 12-1. NYU was unbeaten headed into today's game.

Im big on never putting down a eams vicory or blaming the refs for a loss...but CMU got away with one today and hey NYC knowing it. Probably the worst job of officiating Ive ever seen...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 08, 2006, 08:56:15 pm
let me start out by saying this...piedmont is a good team...well coached, disciplined, good shooters and they really play hard and hustle...the monarchs lost to the better team tonight

that being said, i saw some very troubling things today - the monarchs simply didn't play with much passion or intensity except for a short stretch in the second half (they happened to go on a NICE run when they played hard...imagine that) - there is very little post offense and the only guy who WANTS to rebound is shuford - coach smith shuttled guys in and out the entire first half, trying to find the right combo - by game 11 you'd hope that the right guys would have stepped up - individually, i think seth thomas has to be more aggressive and assert himself offensively...although he played solid, he didn't play like the conference poty (as i predicted) today and he only took 8 shots - if the monarchs don't play SIGNIFICANTLY harder on both ends, this will be a long season for mc

bright spots - i think coach smith found a good combination - the lineup of grant, lee, thomas, shuford and mcbryde played very well - shuford is amazing for a guy that's 6'2" - he pulled in 11 boards, had 3 blocks, 4 steals and scored 14 pts - he was all hustle and athleticism...i like his energy - mcbryde played well in spurts and had 12 and 9 - he seemed to wear out a bit (as did many of the monarchs...and pc played back-to-back road games...they should have been the tired team) and he made some frosh mistakes, but i think he'll be a good one in time - brian lane played some solid minutes as the back up pg and mcevoy played well defensively with 4 blocks - probably the best news...still undefeated in conference play :)

there is still a lot of work to do, but unfortunately not much time to do it - gc...you're on the clock...tick-tock

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0108.htm)
game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/piedmont.htm)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 08, 2006, 10:03:03 pm
Guys,

No doubt this is the most wide open USA South MB race in recent memory.

Save maybe NCW and Ferrum, I think everyone else has a shot and that includes my Pride. I wonder what the coaches' poll would be if taken today. Here's my poll.

1. SU -- 8-2 and seem to be only team that hasn't slumped
2. GC -- Best back court in USAS; Beat Piedmont in deep south
3. AU -- Beat Maryville but came back to earth lately
4. CNU -- Soft schedule will hurt Captains; Go on the road to play good teams if you have to.
5. MC -- Tough sched., but they're still really struggling
6. FC -- Still too early for Panthers
7. NCW -- Struggled all year


FYI, here's original poll:
2005 USA South Men's Basketball Coaches Poll
Rank, Institution (1st place Votes), Pts.
1. Methodist (6) 36
2. N.C. Wesleyan 30
3. Averett (1) 23
4. Christopher Newport 22
5. Shenandoah 18
T-6. Ferrum 9
T-6. Greensboro 9

That AU first place vore looks a lot better now!

Let the games begin!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on January 08, 2006, 10:43:55 pm
goose - that piedmont game wasn't as close as the score looks, either - pc had a double digit lead with under 2 minutes left - makes the pc game for the monarchs even more important/scary - beating them would be a nice win as they're 6-4 (4-2 in region) right now

Narch, how could you say a 2-point game was not as close as the score indicates?  Averett had a shot to win it with five seconds left and a shot to tie at the buzzer.  I was at the game and it was very close.  The lead was nine with 1:48 to play, which isn't much with a pair of teams that like to get it up the floor as quickly as AU and PC.  I assure you, Piedmont was happy to come out of the Grant Center with a win and there wasn't much relaxing going on for either team late in the game.  That was a good, close, game between two very good teams.

Also worth noting, Averett missed at least 10 lay-ups and shot only 47 percent from the line...not a normal AU outing.  The Cougars had open looks, but just couldn't hit shots.  Unfortunately their defensive effort wasn't quite good enough to allow them to make it six straight against a very good Piedmont squad.

Coach Allen has this team playing very well, as the 9-3 start was the best in the program's history.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2006, 11:58:32 pm
FYI CNU Fans, Carnegie Mellon goes to NYU and defeats them in double OT to improve to 12-1. NYU was unbeaten headed into today's game.

Im big on never putting down a eams vicory or blaming the refs for a loss...but CMU got away with one today and hey NYC knowing it. Probably the worst job of officiating Ive ever seen...

NYU had all the advantages in this one -- playing at home while CMU traveled twice this weekend, getting the no-respect card to play for its kids against the Top 25 team, two of CMU's top scorers for the game fouled out in overtime, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hugenerd on January 09, 2006, 03:07:52 am
Not to mention that CMUs best inside scorer has a broken left thumb and NYU had just killed Rochester by 18 (who was ranked higher than CMU).  NYU also shot something like 50% from the foul line on about 35 attempts, and Nate Maurer had his worst game of the season (5-21 from the floor and 6-12 from the FT line).  NYU lost because they didnt take advantage of their chances, they had plenty of oppurtunities to win they just didn't get it done.  Don't get me wrong, I think they are a great team and highly underrated due to their early cupcake schedule, but yesterday's game was one in which they just did not get it done.

I look forward to seeing how the CNU vs. CMU matchup is next saturday, Coach Wingen should have them riled up with the whole week to prepare.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 11:17:51 am
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 Probably the worst job of officiating Ive ever seen...
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Welcome to dIII
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 09, 2006, 11:20:41 am
Guys Lets Get a little chatter on what I posted I think it was yest.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 11:31:30 am
Guys,
2. GC -- Best back court in USAS; Beat Piedmont in deep south
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 11:32:28 am
Guys,

2. GC -- Best back court in USAS; Beat Piedmont in deep south

you're on drugs...I'll let Captj and Narch tell you why!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 09, 2006, 11:51:12 am
Not really in the mood right now to banter about what GC said. Maybe later.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 11:59:41 am
85, Goose –

I think he’s asking for us to join him in predicting final conference team standings, not his claim that GC has the best back court.  I think it would be interesting to get everyone’s revised predictions now that we’re essentially finished with our non-conference schedules.  I’ll come up with mine by tomorrow, certainly before the Shenandoah game (even though knowing the outcome of that one would help me a lot).

But if I’m wrong… we’ll need from him to be more specific.  What is the GC backcourt that you are talking about?  Newman/Greene?  Newman/McDuffie?  Newman/Berg?  Collectively?  Give us some parameters for discussion.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 12:01:38 pm
Not really in the mood right now to banter about what GC said. Maybe later.

Cheer up, Goose!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 12:18:41 pm
Goose - I just gave you a Karma point!! Made your day, huh?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 12:19:58 pm
Captj,

I'll work on my stuff, too. But in the end, if anyone thinks GC will finish #2....well, they're on drugs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 09, 2006, 12:33:32 pm
Awww thanks 85, your so sweet.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 12:49:19 pm
Captj,

I'll work on my stuff, too. But in the end, if anyone thinks GC will finish #2....well, they're on drugs!

I think you're right... I haven't done mine yet but I think they'll be around 4 or 5.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 09, 2006, 02:16:17 pm
aucougars - i simply meant to say that piedmont led by double digits almost the entire game and au needed a few desperation 3's along with some poor execution by pc down the stretch to make it as close as it was

gullet...i'll take the bait - here is my projection:

1. su - good post play - solid schedule
2. cnu - good inside-out play, soft schedule has built confidence, too young to win it all, but will be very good down the road if cj can keep the pups together
3. au - great perimeter play - good win vs. m'ville, but otherwise soft schedule
4. mc - need to find a post player ASAP and need thomas to step up...if those things happen, they could go to #1
5. gc - i'll believe they are contenders when i see it
6. ncwc - tough schedule and a young team...could the schedule be TOO tough and take some confidence?
7. fc
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 02:29:48 pm
CaptJ’s mid-season USASAC prediction

1) CNU (9-3) Lots of team harmony and some BIG pre-season concerns answered
2) Averett (9-4) They just scare me
3) Methodist (2-9) The best team on paper doesn’t always win
4) Shenandoah (8-2) They have some quality wins under their belt
5) Greensboro (4-7) Also have some quality wins
6) NC Wesleyan (2-9) Too many losses, underachievers again (at least until tournament)
7) Ferrum (4-9) Just not impressed
 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 09, 2006, 02:50:06 pm
OK...I've remained quiet, I haven't said much because its been out of conference play and I've been to busy to try to get a blurb in on yalls discussion. But with conference play being 2 days away, I had to add my 2 cents. I'm sure you all know it was coming anyway. Now this is just a warning but I'm gonna be getting on some, more than others, not saying you other people are safe, but I've got a couple things to say and some fires to start. (Besides I cracked on one of my own SU fans earlier, which I'll address further down.) If you have a problem with it then obviously you've never read anything I've posted in the past and don't know that I could care less.  ::) Bring some water its about to get HOT in here.

First of all, ALL the coaches read the post on this board, if the head coaches don't read it, than the assistants do, if they don't than the SID's do and report to them. Why? Because coaches want feedback too, there isn't 1 coach who has a perfectly sound program that even a little feedback isn't needed. This page is the easiest way of getting opinions and comments on coaching style "without knowing who they are". Last year I was asked by a coach to watch what I say because and I quote "dude, the primary objective hasn't been reached yet". Sorry coach, its a new year!!

And the players....wheww.. the players definitely read this page because they wanna know if their the "talk" of the page. I was recently informed that a certain player thought I was trashing his garbage game when I was actually talking about a fellow SU poster with the same name. Hmm...I'm willing to bet the reason he thought this was because he didn't read into what was said. One day while skipping or in class he probably jumped on the page to see who said what, thought he saw his name and got mad. Didn't look into what was actually said because it IS pretty funny and was an inside joke between me and B-SPEARS. But I digress because after looking at it, I suppose I could be right about the other guy. :o

(Hmm...getting a little warm in here)

Next...oh yea this whole strength of schedule thing is bogus. Sure if any D3 team went out and played Duke, NOVA, Memphis or any D1 school in the top 10, it'd be a little lop sided. Point is, teams aren't losing because its the strength of schedule, its the strength of heart. Teams who want the W more win it. I'm sure some loses can be credited to the "oh we're gonna blow these guys out" perspective. If a team shows up to play and plays like they want the W, then they'll get the W. Aside from CNwho's schedule of-course. :o

LEADERSHIP is the name of the game and right now no-ones leading Methodist. Don't get mad because you know I'm right. Porter led yall last year, as he went the team went. Sometimes he'd have to carry the team which is what a leader should do. Right now the void still needs to be filled for yall and I'm sure someone will eventually step up. Coaches play a big part in being leaders but they can't do it all. My coach would tell us " I can't take and make the shots for you, but I can put you in position to take the best shot possible". And 9 out of 10 times he was right, its on-court leadership that some teams are lacking and it shows in their record. A team that practices harder, argues lesser, and works as 1 cohesive unit will win more games than the team with 5 hot heads who don't see things eye to eye on and off the court. CNwho has always had leadership, SU has always had leadership, right now someones leading Averett, MC always has leadership (just having trouble finding it right now), usually NC Wes. has leadership, and back when GC had M. Morgan yep they definitely had leadership.

Biggest OOC surprise thus far goes to Averett at 9-4 they're playing well and it seems like they have some shooters. I'm not saying the 1 vote yall got is something, because look at where SU was ranked preseason. Good luck to the cougars. Definitely gonna be at this game.

(Here's a coaching hint...just a thought but instead of the match up man 2 man, shift to a 3-2 zone with the high outside players sliding to the middle when the balls on the farside of the court. If a man slips to the corner for the 3, have the low man go get him but everyone else has to ROTATE. This won't work if your team doesn't talk though. Hell, might not work anyway. Its just a thought, I'm no coach. YET!)

The award for the poorest OOC performance goes to....NC Wes.. The strength of schedule thing is out the window because they've had double digit leads and blew it. You can't blame the coaching on that.

(Its like a fireplace in here....screw it lets throw another log on)

-Some Sarcasm..
Someone explain to me how Ferrum (4-9) has a better record than both Methodist and NC Wes.. Which by the way were picked 1 and 2 in the USA South in preseason polls. Since I've already addressed Methodist, lets switch gears. Its surprising to see that the leaders on the team aren't the seniors, its definitely not the juniors. But the sophomore and freshman seem to be handling things.Hall and Arrington are averaging 16 and 14 respectively, better hope these guys don't get hurt or it'll be a long season for the Bishops. Thompson is molding these 2 guys into players, as both shoot the 3 well and can take care of the ball. Now all he needs to do is find 3 more.

You know its bad when you can tell the opposing team "easy win for you guys tomorrow, good luck in the championship" and be right. Or watch 12 minutes of game then be able to predict exactly what the end result will be and I've got witnesses on this one...wait a minute... what a coinsidence.. 12  ;D

(It's like someone set the temperature on hell in here)

Can one of you CNwho fans remove your lips from Romeo's and CJ's butt and tell me whats up with Purdham. He was pretty good in high school and I figured he's waited his turn.

(I think I hear the fireman coming)

Lastly....

HOW about them Hornets at 8-2 going into Wednesday vs. CNwho. Coach Harris and staff have the fellas thinking they can win, not to mention they're playing very well right now. Onunaku has emerged as a leader with supporting roles from Johns, Hale, Townsend, Griffin and Lawrence. But I can't discredit the team because everyone's doing their part and playing good team ball. I also see that  James Brodie is back this year, if I recall he played pretty well 2 years ago. Its always good when you have a big body who runs the floor well and have a good touch on his shot. Watch for Onunaku, Lawrence and Brodie to turn some heads inside the paint. While Townsend, Griffin, Hale and Johns, hurt yall from outside.

Might have to make the trip to CNwho.

For all you posters....

Lets look at LAST YEAR and give our thoughts on who we thought would emerge as a leader this year. Total of 3...2 leaders and 1 alternate.


Until tommorrow....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 09, 2006, 02:55:29 pm
OK...I've remained quiet, I haven't said much because its been out of conference play and I've been to busy to try to get a blurb in on yalls discussion. But with conference play being 2 days away, I had to add my 2 cents. I'm sure you all know it was coming anyway.  ;D Now this is just a warning but I'm gonna be getting on some, more than others, not saying you other people are safe, but I've got a couple things to say and some fires to start. (Besides I cracked on one of my own SU fans earlier, which I'll address further down.) If you have a problem with it then obviously you've never read anything I've posted in the past and don't know that I could care less.  :o  Bring some water its about to get HOT in here.

First of all, ALL the coaches read the post on this board, if the head coaches don't read it, than the assistants do, if they don't than the SID's do and report to them. Why? Because coaches want feedback too, there isn't 1 coach who has a perfectly sound program that even a little feedback isn't needed. This page is the easiest way of getting opinions and comments on coaching style "without knowing who they are". Last year I was asked by a coach to watch what I say because and I quote "dude, the primary objective hasn't been reached yet". Sorry coach, its a new year!! 8)

And the players....wheww.. the players definitely read this page because they wanna know if their the "talk" of the page. I was recently informed that a certain player thought I was trashing his garbage game when I was actually talking about a fellow SU poster with the same name. Hmm...I'm willing to bet the reason he thought this was because he didn't read into what was said. One day while skipping or in class he probably jumped on the page to see who said what, thought he saw his name and got mad. Didn't look into what was actually said because it IS pretty funny and was an inside joke between me and B-SPEARS. But I digress because after looking at it, I suppose I could be right about the other guy.  :o

(Hmm...getting a little warm in here)

Next...oh yea this whole strength of schedule thing is bogus. Sure if any D3 team went out and played Duke, NOVA, Memphis or any D1 school in the top 10, it'd be a little lop sided. Point is, teams aren't losing because its the strength of schedule, its the strength of heart. Teams who want the W more win it. I'm sure some loses can be credited to the "oh we're gonna blow these guys out" perspective. If a team shows up to play and plays like they want the W, then they'll get the W. Aside from CNwho's schedule of-course.

LEADERSHIP is the name of the game and right now no-ones leading Methodist. Don't get mad because you know I'm right. Porter led yall last year, as he went the team went. Sometimes he'd have to carry the team which is what a leader should do. Right now the void still needs to be filled for yall and I'm sure someone will eventually step up. Coaches play a big part in being leaders but they can't do it all. My coach would tell us " I can't take and make the shots for you, but I can put you in position to take the best shot possible". And 9 out of 10 times he was right, its on-court leadership that some teams are lacking and it shows in their record. A team that practices harder, argues lesser, and works as 1 cohesive unit will win more games than the team with 5 hot heads who don't see things eye to eye on and off the court. CNwho has always had leadership, SU has always had leadership, right now someones leading Averett, MC always has leadership (just having trouble finding it right now), usually NC Wes. has leadership, and back when GC had M. Morgan yep they definitely had leadership.

Biggest OOC surprise thus far goes to Averett at 9-4 they're playing well and it seems like they have some shooters. I'm not saying the 1 vote yall got is something, because look at where SU was ranked preseason. Good luck to the cougars. Definitely gonna be at this game.

(Here's a coaching hint...just a thought but instead of the match up man 2 man, shift to a 3-2 zone with the high outside players sliding to the middle when the balls on the farside of the court. If a man slips to the corner for the 3, have the low man go get him but everyone else has to ROTATE. This won't work if your team doesn't talk though. Hell, might not work anyway. Its just a thought, I'm no coach. YET!)

The award for the poorest OOC performance goes to....NC Wes.. The strength of schedule thing is out the window because they've had double digit leads and blew it. You can't blame the coaching on that.

(Its like a fireplace in here....screw it lets throw another log on)

-Some Sarcasm..
Someone explain to me how Ferrum (4-9) has a better record than both Methodist and NC Wes.. Which by the way were picked 1 and 2 in the USA South in preseason polls. Since I've already addressed Methodist, lets switch gears. Its surprising to see that the leaders on the team aren't the seniors, its definitely not the juniors. But the sophomore and freshman seem to be handling things.Hall and Arrington are averaging 16 and 14 respectively, better hope these guys don't get hurt or it'll be a long season for the Bishops. Thompson is molding these 2 guys into players, as both shoot the 3 well and can take care of the ball. Now all he needs to do is find 3 more.

You know its bad when you can tell the opposing team "easy win for you guys tomorrow, good luck in the championship" and be right. Or watch 12 minutes of game then be able to predict exactly what the end result will be and I've got witnesses on this one...wait a minute... what a coinsidence.. 12   :o

(It's like someone set the temperature on hell in here)

Can one of you CNwho fans remove your lips from Romeo's and CJ's butt and tell me whats up with Purdham. He was pretty good in high school and I figured he's waited his turn.

(I think I hear the fireman coming)

Lastly....

HOW about them Hornets at 8-2 going into Wednesday vs. CNwho. Coach Harris and staff have the fellas thinking they can win, not to mention they're playing very well right now. Onunaku has emerged as a leader with supporting roles from Johns, Hale, Townsend, Griffin and Lawrence. But I can't discredit the team because everyone's doing their part and playing good team ball. I also see that  James Brodie is back this year, if I recall he played pretty well 2 years ago. Its always good when you have a big body who runs the floor well and have a good touch on his shot. Watch for Onunaku, Lawrence and Brodie to turn some heads inside the paint. While Townsend, Griffin, Hale and Johns, hurt yall from outside.

Might have to make the trip to CNwho.

For all you posters....

Lets look at LAST YEAR and give our thoughts on who we thought would emerge as a leader this year. Total of 3...2 leaders and 1 alternate.


Until tommorrow....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 09, 2006, 03:07:09 pm
PS- That nonsense about GC with the best back court in the conference.  Yea right...and if I walked to work I'd make it there faster.

My predictions......
SU 8-2 with a solid schedule big bodies inside, shooters on the outside. Makes a good combo.
Averett 9-4 they've got things turned around.
MC 2-9 despite their record they always play well in the conference.
CNU 9-3 like Narch said, to young to win it all.
GC 4-7 only if their great backcourt keeps them ahead.  ;D
NCW 2-9  Capt said it best....underacheivers again.
FC 4-9 look for them to lose 1st 3 of 4 conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 09, 2006, 03:29:33 pm
GC has a three guard starting lineup PG Mike McDuffie (9 ppg, 3 apg), James Newman (15.5 ppg), and Steve Berg (18 ppg, 13-24 threes). Add big guard Geroge Greene off the bench (9 ppg, 5 rpg) and you the best back court in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 03:38:18 pm
Barton (FR)
Selden (JR)
Romeo (SR)
Lewis (JR)
Blasingame (FR)

Purdham (SR)
Riley (SO)
Claxton (JR)
McShepherd (FR)
Dickerson (SO)

This is our 2-deep team right now… 2 seniors, 3 juniors, 2 sophomores, and 3 INCREDIBLE freshmen.  Think back… there have been some really outstanding freshmen in recent USASAC history.  Kenny Johnfon was 3rd leading scorer in the conference last year, Trayvon Lathan was arguably the best player in the league the year before, and Mark Hepner made a huge impact as a freshman the year before,  My point is; this conference has a history of great freshman.  I’m not worried a bit that Barton, Blasingame, and McShepherd are freshmen.  They’ve got 12 games under their belts now.

I don’t think this is so much a YOUNG team as it is a team with some players who haven’t played at CNU for long.  Claxton and Riley have collegiate experience, just not at CNU.  And five of these guys DO have CNU experience.  Maybe I’ll go back and see what the experience levels were for some of the USASAC’s past champions.  Without checking, I’m guessing that we’re not such a “young” team at all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 09, 2006, 04:05:58 pm
Wow, last time i was on here it was dead and I was going to liven it up (if you call it that) by telling you all Marcus Vick was arrested in suffolk last night!! But now I dont need too.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 04:40:48 pm
Shotblocker.....that wasn't firesetting. In fact, it was very interesting reading. Thanks for the insight on some things I wasn't aware of. As for Purdham...he's still a good player. His role at CNU is to come off the bench and man up on somebody. He's an extremely talented defensive player.

I like your comments about leadership. You're absolutely correct in saying that without it, it doesn;t really matter how much talent you have.

Anyway - good post.

Goose - It doesn't matter if MV-2 got arrested..."I'm going pro".....he doesn't have to follow rules anymore since he no longer plays for the VT Hoodlums!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 06:11:54 pm
Hey shotblocker, buy a vowel from Goose.  Between the two of you, you got it right.

From shotblocker’s post – “CNU 9-3 like Narch said, to young to win it all.”

From Goose’s post – “But now I dont need too.”

Sell him that extra o, Goose.

I’m sorry guys, I couldn’t resist.  After all; we’re starting fires now.  Go ahead and ding my karma.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 08:52:26 pm
you got a plus karma from me captj...I love you're way of dinging they're grammar  - your the king - their no match for you!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 09:18:44 pm
Captj - in an earlier post you mentioned playing a d1 school. I noticed SU is playing Longwood in Feb. I started to think about teams CNU could play...how about anyone in the MEAC? Their top team (2-0 in conf) is 4-10. Their out of conf schedule for the entire MEAC is 17-93. Bring on Coppin St. !!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 09, 2006, 10:07:17 pm
smite you all mighty smiter!!

Great comments from sushotblocker, I figured it was a skimmer, but i read the entire thing and enjoyed most of it, except the cnwho part of course.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 10, 2006, 08:24:44 am
Next...oh yea this whole strength of schedule thing is bogus. Sure if any D3 team went out and played Duke, NOVA, Memphis or any D1 school in the top 10, it'd be a little lop sided. Point is, teams aren't losing because its the strength of schedule, its the strength of heart. Teams who want the W more win it. I'm sure some loses can be credited to the "oh we're gonna blow these guys out" perspective. If a team shows up to play and plays like they want the W, then they'll get the W. Aside from CNwho's schedule of-course.

do you REALLY think that if maryland bible simply WANTED the game more than cnu, they would win???  while i agree that you've got to WANT to win, i think who you play has a lot to do with a w/l record - this is not a knock on cnu, just an observation...mc might have just two or three losses right now if they had played cnu's schedule...would everyone be writing a 10-2/9-3 monarch squad off as they are writing off a 2-9 squad right now? - i think not

LEADERSHIP is the name of the game and right now no-ones leading Methodist. Don't get mad because you know I'm right. Porter led yall last year, as he went the team went. Sometimes he'd have to carry the team which is what a leader should do. Right now the void still needs to be filled for yall and I'm sure someone will eventually step up.

i don't think i'll get mad, especially since i said virtually the same about 5 or 6 posts ago - sam porter was the emotional rock for this team the last few years, and i knew there would be a void, i just assumed someone would step up and fill it - right now, nobody has - i think that guy NEEDS to be seth thomas or eugene grant, but on sunday it looked like antwin shuford, of all guys could be the emotional leader...the team certainly seemed to feed off him when he was on the court and he plays HARD - right now i don't care WHO leads this team, but someone NEEDS to step up

captj - you know i GAVE you a karma point for the grammar thing :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 09:10:34 am
Thanks to narch and 85 for the plus-ones.  Goose dinged me (deservedly) as expected, but so far shotblocker hasn't.  So for now I'm plus-one for the post, much better than I expected.  85's response was just about the funniest thing I've ever red.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 10, 2006, 09:10:37 am
Im not writing off Methodist yet. They could be 0-11 and I still wouldnt worry. Now if you open conference play up tomorrow with a loss at Greensboro, then I may start to worry, but not quite in full worry mode, but close.

I forgot this was English class, my bad.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 09:33:10 am
Captj - in an earlier post you mentioned playing a d1 school. I noticed SU is playing Longwood in Feb. I started to think about teams CNU could play...how about anyone in the MEAC? Their top team (2-0 in conf) is 4-10. Their out of conf schedule for the entire MEAC is 17-93. Bring on Coppin St. !!!!!!

Great idea.  Hampton and Norfolk St. are right in our back yard.  I’d love to see either of those games.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 09:34:14 am
I forgot this was English class, my bad.

It’s not, of course.  But when I read the to posts almost back too back I couldn’t resist.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 09:48:15 am
do you REALLY think that if maryland bible simply WANTED the game more than cnu, they would win???  while i agree that you've got to WANT to win, i think who you play has a lot to do with a w/l record - this is not a knock on cnu, just an observation...mc might have just two or three losses right now if they had played cnu's schedule...would everyone be writing a 10-2/9-3 monarch squad off as they are writing off a 2-9 squad right now? - i think not


I’m with you narch.  You can’t win just because you want to.  Sure, you can catch a better team on an off night, or when they might not have as much motivation to win.  But if two mismatched teams with equal “strength of heart” play each other, the better team almost always wins.  And I’m not going to minimize any team's will to win.  I don’t think that the good teams have less of it than in those of lesser talent.  I think that shotblocker’s error lies in assuming that other teams aren’t as strong of heart as his guys.  Or himself, for that matter.  I can tell from his posts that he’s a pretty fiery guy.  I bet he competed with as much desire to win as anyone. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 10:56:01 am
Hey, I just made the radio!!!

I'm a Real Man of Genius.....I'm Mr. Nosebleed Basketball Season Ticket Holder!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 11:02:48 am
Hey, I just made the radio!!!

I'm a Real Man of Genius.....I'm Mr. Nosebleed Basketball Season Ticket Holder!!!

This Bud's for you!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 11:43:16 am
Some basketball stuff.....I noticed in the last game (only because the crowd was small) that Riley talk sit up alot on the court. He seems alert and understands the system. He was in control at one point when all the guys on the court were first year CNU players. It will be fun to watch him progress.

also - with all the new faces...does anybody have opinions on how these guys will turn out out in 3 more years. Are there any Sinclairs or Grays in the mix?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 12:51:09 pm
with all the new faces...does anybody have opinions on how these guys will turn out out in 3 more years. Are there any Sinclairs or Grays in the mix?

Although this discussion is VERY premature, I’ll bite. 

We definitely don’t have any Antoine Sinclairs.  Antoine would have gone to a D1 school if he had gone to a larger high school.  Having him in a CNU uniform for four years was quite a gift.

I think that Barton has the chance to be our best pg since Steve Artis.  Our pg’s after Artis didn’t do what Davon is doing as freshmen.  Holland, Bolton, Haskins and Brookman were all good (to very, very good), but they didn’t even start as freshmen.  He’s showing so much maturity on the court, and he’s got some big-time talent.  He seems so confident and in control, all of the time, and that’s something that you need in a pg.  And I like it that he’s 6-2 (and plays like it).  He can drive into the trees and not get swallowed up.

Our other starting freshman (Blasingame) is also really impressing me.  He still reminds me a lot of Mark Hepner, but I think he will be better.  He has incredible instincts for shot blocking (like Gray).  Hepner never lead the team in blocks.  He also seems to have a pretty good shooting touch (like Gray), and I think that over time his range and confidence will increase until he’s at the top of the key knocking down treys like Terry did, forcing the big defender to come out to pick him up.  And then… bang!  Barton takes his smaller defender inside for the easy lay up.

Now… about McShepherd.  The biggest question mark on our team is this guy.  He’s every bit of the 6-9 he’s listed at, but he wants to play on the perimeter (and has the skills to do so).  I’m impressed by his court awareness.  If he could put on a little bit of weight (and get a little stronger) without losing his speed, then the sky’s the limit for this guy.  But I think that we’ve got to get him into the post. 

Overall, I am extremely happy with the job that CJ did recruiting this year.  I was so concerned about the pg position and now I consider that one of our strengths.  I was also concerned that Lewis wasn’t going to have the help he needs at the post, but now I feel like we’re strong there as well. 

Now, we just need for Romeo to play at the level that he’s capable of (or even at that of last year), and we’ll be in great shape for the conference schedule ahead.

Go Captains!  Beat Shenandoah!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 10, 2006, 03:21:35 pm
Wow, how the mighty have fallen. Its been a while since I logged on and MC still is in a slump  ???. Narch I haven't seen any games lately so can you tell me whats going on with Methodist
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 03:49:11 pm
hoopshops, welcome back.....the answer to your question depends on the person you ask....if you ask Narch - MC is looking for a leader, if you ask Shotblocker - MC has no heart to win, if you ask someone else - it's the tough schedule...if you ask me, goos, and captj - mc will be just fine come conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 04:03:45 pm
hey captj....will the same person hand out the half time stats tomorrow night? I sure hope so!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 10, 2006, 04:22:27 pm
Oh lord, keep it in your pants, 85!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 10, 2006, 04:32:33 pm
hoopshops, welcome back.....the answer to your question depends on the person you ask....if you ask Narch - MC is looking for a leader, if you ask Shotblocker - MC has no heart to win, if you ask someone else - it's the tough schedule...if you ask me, goos, and captj - mc will be just fine come conference play.

Hey 85, time to increase the prescription for your glasses, apparently you read it wrong. I can tell you and Captj were'nt in the same english class, as he observed my spelling error, meanwhile you take it out of context. Not your fault then again its not my fault you couldn't follow. Lets try this again... My spiel about heart doesn't apply solely to MC, it applies to every team for every game. If I thought MC didn't have any heart to win, I wouldn't have said they'll finish 4th. I'm sure someone will step up and lead them to a respectable conference record. Just won't be better than SU's.  ;D

Appreciation shouts go out to all who read, understood and replied.

So before conference play starts...any rumors about teams. Who's joined a team since the semester started? Anybody quit a team since the semester started?

GO HORNETS!!!
 
BEAT CNwho!!!



ps- My opinion on VT's season in relation to MV-2. Not to take anything away from the O-line, D-line, DB's, Receivers, Tailback, Fullback, and Coaches. But in my opinion, their entire season was somewhat of a fluke. Capt. in-case you don't understand this one, I'm saying it was luck!. Why? Because Vick didn't play last year and Randall did just fine leading his team. Vick's definitely not playing college ball next year so yea...I say he got lucky this year. In order to be a good QB you have to prove yourself at-least 2 seasons. MV-2 has permanently damaged the family name. MV-1 went to bat for him saying stuff about how Marcus throws a better ball or something like that and MV-2 repays him like this? Heard Mike even flew down to bail him out. If I were MV-1 the 1st thing I'd have done when he came out of the jail would be something along the lines of a slap followed by a "what the hell is wrong with you!!".

But anyway, thats my opinion, back to basketball.

GO SU!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 10, 2006, 04:40:28 pm
Guys,

It is that time for the USA South Conference againg and here is tommorows games and my perdictions:

Shenandoah @ Christopher Newport=> I think that Shenandoah will knock off the captins in a close one

Averett @ Ferrum=> The Cougars Will Beat the Panthers

Methodist @ Greensboro=> GC will defeat the Monarchs


WHAT DO YALL PREDICT????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 04:45:01 pm
I think tomorrow night will answer some questions for CNU. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised. I just looked at SU's record and scores.......lost 1 by 1 and 1 by 5.....            8-2........

Here's my perdictions: (be quiet captj)

CNU wins
Averett wins
Methodist wins and Gullett goes back to the dorm to do more bong hits!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 10, 2006, 04:48:31 pm
We will just have to see wont we captj.

Here's my perdictions: (be quiet captj)

CNU wins
Averett wins
Methodist wins and Gullett goes back to the dorm to do more bong hits!
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 04:58:17 pm
I think the bong hits have already started!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 10, 2006, 05:11:06 pm
hoopshops - i sent you a message on facebook...i gave you some information that isn't for public consumption :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 05:20:54 pm
Narch - I'm hurt. I didn't think we had any secrets between us!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 05:44:04 pm
Shenandoah @ Christopher Newport – Captains
Averett @ Ferrum – Averett
Methodist @ Greensboro – Greensboro; Monarchs not strong enough yet to win on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 05:46:39 pm
hey captj....will the same person hand out the half time stats tomorrow night? I sure hope so!!!!!

Sarah
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 05:50:05 pm
I see that shotblocker finally logged on and dinged me for being the grammar cop.  I promise that's the last time until at least the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 05:59:46 pm
Capt. in-case you don't understand this one, I'm saying it was luck!. Why? Because Vick didn't play last year and Randall did just fine leading his team.

Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean that I don’t understand what you were saying.  Maybe you just didn’t express yourself in the rambling.  Think maybe that could be it?  You said, “Teams who want the W more win it.”  That’s a pretty straight-forward statement.  I just don’t agree.  In fact, I don’t think YOU took time to read with an open mind what narch and I were saying.  And who brought up football?  Take it to the other board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 10, 2006, 11:09:38 pm
Im going to go out on a limb and say Averett beats Ferrum. CNU will win at home against Shenandoah and, Im going to go against the grain and say Methodist rights the ship and goes to G'boro and pulls out a close one in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: dblock on January 11, 2006, 12:43:45 am
FYI CNU Fans, Carnegie Mellon goes to NYU and defeats them in double OT to improve to 12-1. NYU was unbeaten headed into today's game.

Im big on never putting down a eams vicory or blaming the refs for a loss...but CMU got away with one today and hey NYC knowing it. Probably the worst job of officiating Ive ever seen...

NYU had all the advantages in this one -- playing at home while CMU traveled twice this weekend, getting the no-respect card to play for its kids against the Top 25 team, two of CMU's top scorers for the game fouled out in overtime, etc.
i agree that CMU had to travel, but honestly NYU didnt care about the no-respect cra cause we know that we are the better team. also our staring pf goes ou with an injury in the first half, we cant buy a call all game and then in the 1st min of the 2nd ot Jason Boone gets called for an absurd 5th foul. so while CMU lost Maurer and Wilcox NYU lost Falcon(1st half) and Jason Boone, and MIke DeCorso couldnt play the 1st half after 2 rediculous fouls called on him in the first 5 mins. Nyu had alot of opportunies but so did CMU, the cards just fell right for them...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 11, 2006, 01:02:17 am
Gullett....its good to see you have a good thought process about the outcome of tommorrow.

SU @ CNwho....close game for the captains, look for it to slip out of their grasp around the 8 minute mark in the second half. W for SU!!!

Averett @ Ferrum.....Averett...looks like another long year for Ferrum.

Methodist @ GC..... Hmm tough one here. Methodist will slip in the 1st half, then come roaring back to win in OT, and then all the rumors about GC having the best back court will finally be put to rest.

GO SU.....beat CNwho are the captains!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 10:07:24 am
Some thoughts from a non-expert about the Hornets –

All 5 starters scoring double figures with a pretty clearly defined second five.

The SU website calls Townsend “a point guard in the classic sense”, but he is 3rd on the team in assists, has more TO’s than ASST’s, and leads the team in 3PT attempts and 3PT%.  No one else is even close.   At 5-8, I’m guessing that Selden will be on him like he was a 2-guard looking to shoot.

Lawrence is an atrocious free throw shooter (45%).  We may be able to shuttle big bodies in to really make him work for his points, especially if we can stay out of foul trouble elsewhere.

The Hornets are a good rebounding team (42.1 to 33.0 per game).  Even their 6-0 wing Fawehinmi collects 7.0 per game.

It’s going to be interesting to see the defensive matchups that CJ goes with.  I’m guessing it will be Townsend/Selden, Johns/Barton, and Fawehinmi/Romeo, but I’m not sure how the post matchups will go.  I’m not sure which of the two Hornet post players (Lawrence & Onunaku) are more of a classic center, but I would think that whichever one that is will get Blasingame, and the other will get Lewis.

The Hornets as a team have just 144 ASST’s to 193 TO’s.  Not very good when you consider that the Captains are 263 to 177.  I think that TO’s are going to be important in this game.  If the Captains don’t win that battle we might be in trouble.

Lawrence and Onunaku lead the team in minutes (about 6 or 7 per game more than the back court players), which makes me think that they aren’t that confident in their supporting big men.  Brodie hasn’t gotten the minutes you’d expect from a former starter, and senior D2 transfer Miller could also be disappointed in his 8.5 per game.

The team as a whole hasn’t played together very long.  Although there are lots of upperclassmen on the team, no player is in his 4th season at SU.  Of the 15 on their roster, 9 are in their 1st year, 3 in their 2nd, and 3 in their 3rd.  Two junior starters (Fawehinmi & Townsend) are 1st year Hornets. 

Rebounds and turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 11, 2006, 10:12:19 am
Narch - I'm hurt. I didn't think we had any secrets between us!

'85 - you know i wouldn't tell you about the 2 guys who left the team this week, or about the d1 transfer that is on campus, but undecided about playing this semester...that's up to you to find out :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 10:19:15 am
2 guys who left the team this week

That's 2 more besides Hairston?  Who?  Or am I being gullible?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 03:00:06 pm
CNU85 this is for you. Saturday's game with Carnegie Mellon has been moved to 12 NOON!!! Read the website for details.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 03:26:19 pm
Why have a schedule? just print tickets that have the opponents name and then have TBA for the time!!  Let me guess....they didn't realize there were NFL playoff games at night? What genious in the AD at CNU made up the schedule?

just joking....as they say on the football board...don't get your panties all wadded up.

12 noon, huh...that might interefere with my nap!

thanks for letting me know! Bean will probably announce it at the game tonight....

"Ladies and ge,.ffnnf fw....dnoiwon, Saturday's game wjfsdjfiek....qwepjfenvn...moved to... jadpnmpcniwdn"

"One minute left in the ballgame!!" I swear that's all I understand!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 04:42:13 pm
ODAC and USA South Announce Senior Basketball Challenge

(FAYETTEVILLE, N.C.) - The Old Dominion Athletic Conference and the USA South Athletic Conference announced today a partnership to conduct an ODAC/USA South Senior Basketball Challenge.  Each institution of the ODAC and the USA South with seniors on its roster will have a representative in the event. 

The ODAC and the USA South will alternate hosting the event with the USA South hosting the inaugural event March 22, 2006 at the Grant Center on the campus of Averett University in Danville, Va.  The conferences have united to conduct this exciting event to promote sportsmanship.  The ODAC and the USA South both place strong emphasis on sportsmanship at their athletic events.

Rita Wiggs, USA South Commissioner stated, "The USA South is pleased to be the host for the initial Senior Basketball Challenge between our two conferences.  The emphasis of the evening will be sportsmanship, respect and fair play.  Student-athletes are some of our most visible institutional representatives and this game will provide a valuable reward for our seniors as they expand collegiality through intercollegiate athletic competition."

"This is a great opportunity for both the ODAC and the USA South student-athletes to showcase their talents on the court -spotlighting conference-wide emphasis on sportsmanship and fair play," said ODAC Commissioner Brad Bankston.  "These seniors will be provided an additional opportunity to extend the hand of collegiate competition.  The league is excited to be involved in this valuable opportunity for our basketball student-athletes and looks forward to hosting this event in March 2007 on the campus of an ODAC member institution."

The 2006 ODAC/USA South Senior Basketball Challenge will get underway at 6 p.m. with the women's game followed by the men's game at 8 p.m.  Tickets will be $3 for adults and students will be admitted free with a valid student ID.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:11:54 pm
Outstanding!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 05:15:29 pm
Captj, Narch - time to hit the books....do some research...my first reaction is that the ODAC will win. But that is soley based on the fact that VWC was ranked earlier in the year, HSC and RMC are currently ranked......and no USA South conf member  has even 1 vote......I'm too lazy to look any further...you guys spoil me!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:41:43 pm
Captj, Narch - time to hit the books....do some research...my first reaction is that the ODAC will win. But that is soley based on the fact that VWC was ranked earlier in the year, HSC and RMC are currently ranked......and no USA South conf member  has even 1 vote......I'm too lazy to look any further...you guys spoil me!

Rankings don't matter much if the higher ranked teams are strong because of non-seniors.  We’ll need to come up with a roster for each team and then do the analysis.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:43:49 pm
And to do that we'll need to have some guidelines on HOW the teams are formed.  Unlimited players from every team?  Roster size?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:49:07 pm
From CNU -

Adam Purdham
Jeremy Romeo

Help me fill out the roster, guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 11, 2006, 05:49:56 pm
I'm glad that they started the USA South ODAC Challenge any thoughts on this years team for the USA South. Who should be picked?

Picks for tonights games.

MC over GC
MC starts a new with a conference win

CNU over SU
CNU is always tough at home

AU over FC
No comment
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 11, 2006, 05:50:53 pm
CaptJ,

Eugene Grant & Seth Thomas from MC
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:54:08 pm
Nigel Kelly is the only Ferrum senior and doesn’t even average 5 minutes per game.  Do we have to put him on the team anyway?

You other guys look up the other teams that don’t have posters.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:55:45 pm
Eugene Grant (MC)
Seth Thomas (MC)
Jeremy Romeo (CNU)
Adam Purdham (CNU)
Nigel Kelly (FU) ??????????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 11, 2006, 06:13:09 pm
Maybe we should allow juniors.

Onyie Onuaku from SU and the NCW juniors.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 06:45:57 pm
Maybe we should allow juniors.

Onyie Onuaku from SU and the NCW juniors.  ;)

I'm pretty sure that it's a senior event and I'm positive it's not up to us.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 06:49:10 pm
Thats FC captj!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 06:49:44 pm
I believe as Pat mentioned before, they would lose a year of eligibility if a junior played in that game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 08:22:06 pm
Methodist is up 35-23 at Greensboro at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 09:23:16 pm
CNU 70, Shenandoah 66
Methodist 72, Greensboro 68
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wildbill on January 11, 2006, 09:39:35 pm
CNwho beats ShenanDOH!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 09:41:12 pm
uh-oh
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 09:48:23 pm
Gullett is in his dorm room doing bong hits!

Hey - I haven't seen SU this year to compare tonight's game. CNU had an off night - Romeo 1-6 from 3, the team shoots 52% from the foul line...11 TO at the half....and still won. I would think SU had an off night as well. If not, other than 1 player, I wasn't impressed. SU is small and yet CNU's big men were running with SU. If you're gonna play small, you better play faster than that.

Blasingame - WOW!!! 15 pts, 13 rebs, 4 or 5 blocks....nice touch from the FT line.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 09:52:34 pm
Look out!! I'm 3-0 in my conference picks tonight!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 11, 2006, 09:55:58 pm
Good job Monarchs way to get back in the winning column. Hey, I'm 3-0 in my picks not a bad way to start  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 11:27:16 pm
Random thoughts on CNU (10-3, 1-0) over Shenandoah (8-3, 0-1)

Ladies and gentlemen of the USASAC, allow me to introduce you to Mr. Mark Blasingame.  15 pts., 13 rebs, 5 blks, 36 minutes of terror for the SU post players.  Onyie (6 pts) is going to have nightmares about a 6-8 freshman repeatedly rejecting him.

I’d like to revise my prediction for USASAC POTY.

I predicted it would come down to rebounds and turnovers… we won the rebound battle, but lost the turnover battle big-time.  A stifling defense won this one for us.  SU 35% fg for the game.

Free throws are going to cause us to lose a heartbreaker at some point this season.  52% for the game.  2 for 9 in the last two minutes of the game when SU was fouling us to get back into it.  It almost worked.  Read that last part again… 2 for 9 in the last two minutes of the game!

Officiating horrible, blah, blah, blah.  That bald guy must have thought he was on TV.  Waving his arms wildly, pointing repeatedly where the player stepped out of bounds, then literally throwing his entire body to signal the turnover in the other direction.  What a clown.  It’s called BASKETBALL, not officiating.  The game isn’t about you.

Townsend has game, but he also has a license to foul.  After 39 minutes of hacking, moving picks and body fouls, the zebras finally called him for the very first time when he tackled our guy to stop the clock.  I guess when you’re 5-8 the refs let you get away with a little bit.

Great defense from Riley.  I think he’ll be in Onyie’s nightmares also. 

Good efforts from Claxton, Purdham, Barton, Lewis.  An off night for Selden.  A tough night for Romeo, even though he put up 15 points.  It seemed he had a Hornet in his jersey all night.

Overall, a great game for the Captains.  Bring on Carnegie Mellon!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 12, 2006, 09:14:04 am
Thats FC captj!!

But FU is so much more fun to write.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 12, 2006, 09:21:47 am
USASAC - ODAC Senior Game

Eugene Grant (MC)
Seth Thomas (MC)
Jeremy Romeo (CNU)
Adam Purdham (CNU)
Nigel Kelly (FU) 5 min/gm
Jermaine Artis (NCW) 7 min/gm

It's looking like we're going to need to put every senior in the conference on the team regardless of their ability.  I'm starting to think this game isn't such a good idea after all.  WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE SENIORS ON OUR TEAMS?!  FU and NCW with one senior each!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 12, 2006, 09:37:12 am
USASAC - ODAC Senior Game

Eugene Grant (MC)
Seth Thomas (MC)
Jeremy Romeo (CNU)
Adam Purdham (CNU)
Nigel Kelly (FU) 5 min/gm
Jermaine Artis (NCW) 7 min/gm
Billy Gardner (AU) 7.5 min/gm
Sterling Williams (AU)
Steve Berg (GC)
Justin Battle (GC) - finally, a contributing post player
Brian Holloway (GC) - ditto
Patrick Miller (SU) - ditto
Jared Hale (SU)

That's it gents; ALL of the seniors in our conference.  I'm afraid to go to the ODAC team websites and count theirs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 12, 2006, 10:00:09 am
Here are the ODAC seniors.

Kevin Nmah (BC) 4 gp hasnt recorded a bucket yet
Drew Breidenbaugh (BC) 9 gp, 2.8 ppg, 0.7 rpg
Zach Butler (BC) 4.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg 18 min/gm
Dustin Galyon (EMU) 6gp, 5 starts, 1.5 ppg, 0.8 rpg
EJ Arrington (EMU) 26 min/g, 9.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg
Earl Dyer (EMU) 7 gp, 0.7 ppg, 0.3 rpg
Gary Kerns (EHC) 11 gp, 6.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg
Will Schwartzstein (EHC) 9 gp, 2.7 ppg 3.2 rpg
Ryan Kitaif (GC) 10 gp, 1.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg
L.T. Lockett (GC) 11gp, 5.7 ppg, 2.1 rpg
Jamel Taylor (GC) 9 gp, 2.9 ppg, 2.3 rpg
Matt Guill (HSC) 10 gp, 5.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg
Aaron Lewek (HSC) 12 gp, 4.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg
Patrick Prior (LC) 14 gp, 9.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg
Matt Sweeney (LC) 14 gp, 10.2 ppg 4.7 rpg (second leading scorer)
Andy Albright (LC) 14 gp, 7.9 ppg, 4.2 rpg
David Sheaffer (LC) 14 gp, 3.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg
Justin Wansley (RMC) 15 gp, 15.9 ppg, 8.7 boards, leads team in both stats
Patrick Gill (RMC) 15 gp, 5.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg
Rob Harris (RMC) 5 gp, 0.4 ppg, 0.0 rpg
Jared Butler (RC) 13 gp, 13.7 ppg, 2.5 rpg leads team in scoring
Jamiel Allen (RC) 8 gp 0.4 ppg, 0.0 rpg
Marques Fitch (VWC) 15 gp 8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg 32 assists (starting PG perhaps)
Matt Towell (VWC) 14 gp, 1.6 ppg, 2.4 rpg
W&L Has no seniors.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 12, 2006, 11:16:53 am
Yikes!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 11:41:27 am
Gullett is in his dorm room doing (deleted)

Why do you consider this necessary?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 12, 2006, 11:59:54 am
Actually Pat - absolutely nothing we talk about in here is necessary. If we all were to make only necessary comments, the message boards would be blank - not one post!!

However, given that this is your forum and you have asked the question - a few thousand posts ago GCGullett posted that GC had the best backcourt in the conference. After we all got up from the floor laughing, we figured he was on drugs and I made the comment about the (deleted). After MC beat GC the (deleted) comment was referred to again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 12, 2006, 12:15:07 pm
ShenanDOH....I like that!  Uno Haiku got worked last night!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 12, 2006, 01:02:21 pm
Swish,

Where have you been? Nice game last night. Saturday will be a little tougher! As CJ said on the post game....it will be a test for Blasingame!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 12, 2006, 02:35:46 pm
OK so I picked 2 of 3 correct for last nights games....UNFORTUNATELY my Hornets weren't one of them.  Def. didn't make it down to CNwho, and for some reason the audio feed was all screwed up on my computer but it seems like there were enough of you captains fans there. OK....good game guys. It appears I underestimated this Blasingame kid, impressive stats for the first conference game.

SU was off their game if they shot 35 percent on the night. I'm sure Coach Harris didn't let them forget that after the game and still won't tonight in practice. Gotta give the guys some credit though, its gonna be a tough season. SU shot 35 percent for the entire game and only lost by 4, thats not exactly bad, but its not good either. It appears CJ had his team ready to keep us off the glass and defend our big men. Lawrence, ONUNAKU (Swish), and Brodie totaled 18 points. This is never good, look for them to come alive on Saturday vs. NC Wes..

Speaking of NC. Wes., the bishops lost to Chowan last night in OT 85-99. The Bishops had 4 players in double figures with Arrington and Hall leading the way with 29 and 18. Like I said in the earlier post, these guys pretty much are the team, especially if they both played 42 minutes. Something thats different is....I'm not seeing 2 names on the Bishop roster that I saw a week ago. Anyone know where Spears and Moore are??

Looks like Chowan took offense to being boosted out the USA SOUTH....5 players in double figures 3 of which (Lathan, Artis and Hambrick) with at-least 10 boards each.


Swish where ya been?

Oh and Gullett....great backcourt   ::)....need a bench though.

Good luck to the Hornets on Saturday..

HAS ANYONE SEEN RUMPLESTILSKIN THIS YEAR??????????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 12, 2006, 05:02:29 pm
shotblocker - I figured SU had an off night. Townsend played very well. When the starting line ups were announced I was worried. SU was small and I figured they would be very fast. But it didn't turn out that way. I'm sure it will be different next time we meet.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 12, 2006, 07:10:44 pm
i have a feeling we've heard the last of mr. gullet...how many times has a gc fan come on this board in the pre-conference boasting about what a great year it will be for the pride, only to be slapped back to reality - now i'm not saying this was a beat down or that mc will be dominant or anything like that...in fact, i think that the win last night proves nothing about mc and answers zero questions - i do think it proves that the title "best back court in the usasac" belongs somewhere other than haynes gym...not sure WHERE it belongs yet

that IS a great way to start the conference, though, and with fc on saturday the monarchs have a chance to get out to a 2-0 start, which would be nice given the pre-conference struggles - thomas has to get untracked, though - he only took 6 shots last night and only went to the line once...there is something to be said about not forcing shots, but i still think he needs more looks and needs to look for his shot AGGRESSIVELY - shuford with a double-double and 4 players in double digits scoring...not bad...still some work to do, but as i said, a good start

the key to winning the usasac this year...stealing road games - i think the team that wins the most games at averett, su, cnu or mc will win the conference - i think road wins will be difficult to come by, even against teams like ncwc, fc and gc and we all know that cnu, su and au play particularly well at home...gotta take care of home court and win one or two of those tough roadies to win the conference

j - i was thinking the SAME thing about the usasac senior team about a month ago when i heard that this was a possibility...who is going to guard wansley?? oh yeah, kitaif (gc) would be a senior in the usasac had he not transferred from mc - if he plays in this game i'll be SHOCKED...he's not very good
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 12, 2006, 07:43:53 pm
I have to hand it to Shotblocker.  After a long period of silence he has the cajones to come on the board and trash talk right before the conference opener… an away game at the Freeman.  He certainly didn’t have history on his side.  Shenandoah hasn’t won a game at CNUnbeatable in over a decade.  In fact in the ten consecutive losses prior to this year the average margin of victory was 17 points.  The 4 point loss this year was the closest they’ve come to a win in Newport News for a very long time (unless they’ve played Apprentice School).

Shenandoah is going to do some damage in the conference this year.  We had their number this time, but you can bet that they will win more than they will lose.  narch is right on… someone is going to have to be perfect (or almost perfect) at home AND steal a couple of quality wins on the road to take the conference.

One thing that distresses me about the game last night was that we only took 10 3pt attempts (like against ECtSt).  We have to start getting Romeo some open shots.  The ones he missed last night were NOT open looks.  He often took the pass as his feet were coming down and went directly back up for the jumper.   Redick can do that but not too many others can with any consistency.  Are we not setting good picks?  I’ll have to look for that on Saturday.  Maybe the game plan last night was to exploit the size difference we had inside, and it certainly worked.  If so, you’ve got to hand it to CJ.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 13, 2006, 01:43:33 am
Last week I posted a poll and made a claim that GC has the best back court. I knew it was a bold comment, but backed it up with stats. No one has offered a better back court and backed it up with anything.

Since then, one of you has broken board rules, others have laughed off the comment or predicted I will not post again. Pretty immature and I can see why more do not participate if this is the behavior of some of “the regulars.”

Methodist looked like the best 2-win team in the nation for the first 20 minutes last night. It was a great game and The Pride nearly erased a huge deficit for the win. A 72-68 loss does not make a season.

Like all of you, I pull for my team. The team has talent and a very good young coach who will build the program.

Go Pride and the haters can keep hating

AND YOU HAVENT HEARD THE LAST OF ME!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 13, 2006, 09:26:35 am
I hate to say this, but Shenandoah is in trouble. Onyie is done for the year for academic reasons, that hurts big time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 13, 2006, 09:50:52 am
Goose beat me to it but yea Onunaku has been suspended the rest of the year according to SU's website. This could give SU some problems however I know now that Coach Harris will have the guys ready for every game. Goin to invstigate this one a little more.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 13, 2006, 10:44:14 am
I actually heard about it yesterday. But I didnt want to post it until I knew for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 13, 2006, 12:08:47 pm
losing onie will really hurt su...that's not good news for them, but they certainly used him until the last possible game

gullett - i HOPE that you do stay with us...like gc the team, gc fans on this site have been lots of hype and little substance - as for your question, i would submit 3 possibilities - the au back-court, the cnu back-court and the mc back-court trio of grant, lee and thomas - i think the mc back-court is the best of the bunch defensively, but i haven't seen barton at cnu play yet...i'd say the cnu group of selden, romeo and barton are among the best all-around, and statistically the au crew has been getting the job done - who knows, the gc guys might be just as good as any of the others i've mentioned, but it sounds like they were pretty much controlled (at home, no less) for all but the last 3 or 4 minutes on wednesday - i do like the heart that gc apparently showed on wednesday night - past versions of this team would have gone into a shell and been blown out in a game when they trailed by 20
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 13, 2006, 12:26:18 pm
Beware, I'm always lurking.  ;)

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 13, 2006, 12:54:31 pm
Narch: I was at the game and it was a really good game. All that I know GC did play with alot of heart. Even when they were down by 23 they did not give up and came back to tie it and put alot of pressure on your backcourt and forced alot of mistakes. If we play like we did that last 10min of the game i think we are capable of turning some heads.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 13, 2006, 02:11:57 pm
Since then, one of you has broken board rules, others have laughed off the comment or predicted I will not post again. Pretty immature and I can see why more do not participate if this is the behavior of some of “the regulars.”


Go Pride and the haters can keep hating

AND YOU HAVENT HEARD THE LAST OF ME!!!

aahhh...now I see where the post from Pat Coleman came from......I was reported for being "pretty immature"! I broke TOS #3. I do not wish to be the one who restricts others from participating through my sophomoric behavior. I will try to refrain from such behavior again as I do not wish to be reported for breaking rules. What I said must have been really bad in order for someone to take the time out to send Pat notification of a TOS infraction.

Pat - I apologize for breaking the rules.

GCGullet - I will restate my comment, pull out proper language and follow the rules. When you stated that GC had the best backcourt in the conference......... That is not true in my opinion. It is not even close in my opinion. In my opinion the GC backcourt is nowhere near what CNU puts on the floor. However, neither one of us really knows because we have not witnessed the opposing team in play (unless you have access to game tapes of CNU).

I hope what I have said does not cause you to report me to the moderator. Also, nobody hates GC. Believe me when I tell you what people have posted on here about GC is NOTHING compared to the bashing CNU gets...especially on the football board. I suggest growing a thick skin, loosen up (just a little), and hang on for the ride. We all love it!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2006, 03:28:22 pm
And for the record, I was only making a suggestion regarding such post, not any formal sanction or warning of any kind.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 13, 2006, 03:49:43 pm
CNU85 all is well. I just thought it was a real immature statement that is why I said something. I am looking foward to staying on here with you guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on January 13, 2006, 06:29:57 pm
Roll Pride!!!
Men and Women
Go Staci!
Need to win tomorrow dont wanna to start 0-2 in conf. 
Be nice for the girls to start 2-0.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 13, 2006, 08:17:55 pm
all the love..I feel like it's the 60's again......probably why sometimes my humor goes over people's heads....most people on here were probably born in the 80's.

when Jupiter aligns with Mars
and peace will guide the planets

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 13, 2006, 08:22:38 pm
Captj,

Don't think I can make the noon game tomorrow...can't seem to break away from everything in the middle of a weekend day. I hope you'll be there...I'll look for your comments.  I'll probably miss FT's radio call as well. My wife needs a boyfriend to keep her busy during hoops season!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 14, 2006, 08:49:02 am
My wife needs a boyfriend to keep her busy during hoops season!

Uh... I've been putting off having this conversation with you, but...

I'll be at the game, for sure.  Random thoughts to follow.  Hopefully happy ones.

Go Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2006, 09:10:48 am
If we play like we did that last 10min of the game i think we are capable of turning some heads.
unfortunately, basketball is not a 10 minute game - again, i'll believe it when i see it from gc, but i like your enthusiasm for your team...please stay with us, even after it becomes obvious that gc ISN'T a contender
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 14, 2006, 10:22:39 am
hmm....game time in about 90 minutes.....too wet to work in the yard.....kids are off doing their thing.....hmm......maybe I'll see you there Captj!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 14, 2006, 10:47:21 am
Like you have anything else better to do 85!! Redskins dont come on until 430!! Youll be fine!! There's always Sunday!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 14, 2006, 02:40:42 pm
Goose.....Redskins?...yawn!

Hey....CMU is good! don;t tell anybody....they put a whoopin' on us. Their big guy was unstoppable.....shot 90% from behind the 3 pt line in first half!!

Can we please shoot a FT??? 26-45 is not gonna cut it!!! I think Captj can bounce a higher % in the hoop!!!

CMU needs new shoes...they looked more like soccer cleats.....then they took those soccer cleats and wiped CNU all over the floor!! FUNDAMENTALS!! They are very fundamental. CNU had 4 Off. RB in the 1st half!!! CMU blocks out, runs well, shoots well.....they don't make many mistakes. Although, they don't look very deep. They could be in trouble during tournament time.

Romeo is cold! Not sure what is up. I told Captj at the game that if Romeo were a D1 NBA prospect his value in the draft wouldbe dropping like a rock. His 3 pt shots were all short (I think he made 1 or 2).

Back to conference play where we should do very well.....if we can make more than 58% FT.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 14, 2006, 02:42:11 pm
score not posted yet.....CMU beats CNU 94-81. The score was closer than the game. CNU matches up well against the end of the bench for CMU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 14, 2006, 03:42:53 pm
Random thoughts from CNU (10-4) vs. Carnegie Mellon (13-1)

CMU  49 – 45 – 94
CNU   38 – 43 – 81

94-81 seems respectable, but the Captains never challenged the VERY, VERY good Tartans.  The Tartans had way too much talent for us to answer.  They are so strong nine-deep, and are so fundamentally strong and so big that we just couldn’t seem to answer.  They were wide open so many times it was ridiculous.

We got killed on the boards (36-53).  Like I said, they were just too big and always seemed to be in position.  They had 37 defensive boards, one more than our total, but they also had 16 offensive rebounds! 

We actually won the TO battle (12-17), but with so many second chances theirs didn’t hurt them like ours did.  2nd chance points 4-20 in favor of you-know-who.

Romeo, Romeo… wherefore art thou Romeo?!

Riley was our most effective offensively (7-12 for 19 in 26 minutes).  I think he will continue to get more minutes.  Whichever starter that plays ineffectively will lose their minutes to him.  Tonight it was Romeo that lost PT (18 minutes).

Blasingame fought like a warrior but was just outmanned.  Picking up his 3rd foul 20 seconds into the 2nd half didn’t help.  9 and 9 with 4 blocks. 

Witham the first sub into the game?  I guess that CJ was trying to counter the big bodies.  Did McShepherd put his foot down and refuse to play a post position?  NO minutes for out tallest player.  I think I have an idea why, but I’m not going to say it.

And finally… free throws!  Nothing free about them with this team.  26 for 45 for 58%.  Nineteen missed free throws.  I could just feel the fans around me deflate as one shot after another fell off the rim.  I think we actually finished with 4 consceutive made shots to make it seem a little better statistically, but for most of the game we just squandered one opportunity after another.  Here’s the scenario,,, we’re down by 11 with 7 seconds left in the 1st half.  We’re at the line for one-and-one with a chance to cut the margin to a single digit.  Take a guess whether that one went in.

In the pre-game interview CJ said that the free throw strategy going into this game was "to not talk about it”.  Try something else, please!  Sticking your head in the sand is not going to make the problem go away.  The basketball coach at my high school made the players make 10 in a row before they could leave the gym after each practice.  Tell them to bring their sleeping bags to practice if they need to.  I don’t think that I’m giving away trade secrets by suggesting that teams are going to make fouls a strategic part of their game plans for defending some of our guys.

I didn’t hear the post-game interview so I don’t know how CJ felt about this game, but I am not a happy fan.  Even though we were playing a better team, we could have played better than we did.  There were too many defensive breakdowns, mental mistakes, and missed free throws for me to consider this a moral victory.  Our past success may have given us high expectations, but I don’t think that they are unreasonable.  That past success has also given us experience being the team on the other side of mismatches when inferior teams pulled out upset wins against us.  I’d like to see us win a game like this one sometime.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 14, 2006, 05:09:39 pm
Onyie is done for the year for academic reasons

shotblocker says he was "suspended".  I'm not sure there is a distinction, but I think there is.  If he was done because of academics, they would have known that when grades were posted in December, right?  If that were the case they would probably have to forfeit the two January wins that Onyie played in.  I'm just glad we beat the Hornets with him on the team.

I think this makes the conference race a little clearer.  I don't see SU hosting a first round tournament game.  SU is just too thin in the post now, though I expect Miller will step up very capably.  But you can't lose a player like that without making the team weaker... ask narch if I'm right.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 14, 2006, 05:57:06 pm
79-74  NCW over SU with 130 left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 14, 2006, 07:41:25 pm
I tell yall one thing if you get GC down dont count them out. They came back again today and made it a really close game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2006, 08:18:38 pm
I tell yall one thing if you get GC down dont count them out. They came back again today and made it a really close game.
really close doesn't count :)

monarchs go to 2-0 with a 14 pt victory over fc - i wasn't able to see the game, but looks like thomas finally decided to get aggressive and took 14 shots (scoring 21 pts and grabbing 11 boards) - too many to's, but a win is a win

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0114.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2006, 08:21:11 pm
If he was done because of academics, they would have known that when grades were posted in December, right?  If that were the case they would probably have to forfeit the two January wins that Onyie played in. 

captj - there is no way su would ever use an ineligible player....oops, they did in football, though :)

they PROBABLY could use him until 2nd semester classes started, or somethimg
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on January 14, 2006, 08:53:59 pm
Gullett, your backcourt is a good one.  Our coach thought alot of Berg and McDuffie.  Berg was only 3-13 vs. AU, but that was mostly due to a great defensive effort from Cory McDaniel.  Berg didn't have many open looks. 

GC has some tremendous size on the interior and I am surprised that Tamini and Camp combined for only 10 shot attempts.  Take into account that GC grabbed 16 offensive rebounds, most of those attempts probably came on second chance opportunities.  I think those big bodies should get more touches in the paint.  I was impressed by those guys, as well as the back court.

As for Averett, good to see Andrew Boor back.  He hasn't played to his potential following the early season injury.  He looked very good on Saturday, however.  Also, I love the freshman guard Dominique Stevenson.  He is as quick as anyone in the league and a menace on defense at only 5'6 (A kind 5'6). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hugenerd on January 14, 2006, 09:25:43 pm
CNU fans, I have a question for you:

I was wondering what you thought of Carnegie Mellon compared to Lincoln (in terms of talent, style of play, etc).  If any of you have seen both games (CMU vs. CNU, Lincoln vs. CNU), I would appreciate any insight or comments.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 14, 2006, 09:46:03 pm
CNU fans, I have a question for you:

I was wondering what you thought of Carnegie Mellon compared to Lincoln (in terms of talent, style of play, etc).  If any of you have seen both games (CMU vs. CNU, Lincoln vs. CNU), I would appreciate any insight or comments.  Thanks.

nerd -

I think that Goose went to the Lincoln game in Myrtle Beach... he's the one to offer that comparison. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hugenerd on January 15, 2006, 02:29:14 am
Any thoughts Goose?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 15, 2006, 09:36:16 am
Romeo, Romeo… wherefore art thou Romeo?!

I take that back, Jeremy.  I read in the DP this morning that you're suffering with the flu.  Get well soon and thanks for the effort.  When I have the flu I don't want to do anything but sleep, and I can't imagine trying to play basketball.  You're tougher than I am. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 15, 2006, 09:50:21 am
they PROBABLY could use him until 2nd semester classes started, or somethimg

If that is true then there is something wrong with that rule, and any program that uses a player under those circumstances should be ashamed of themselves.  I hope that you're wrong about that, narch.  There is almost a month between fall semester grades and the start of spring semester classes, and to use a player who has flunked out during that period is... well, now I'm just repeating myself.  Why do these kids go to college?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 15, 2006, 11:17:16 am
From what I heard, Shenandoah went thru the correct channels in their system with appeals and what not. I dont think we need to post the man's issues here, but from what I heard, they went thru the proper channels and had it resolved before the start of the their second semester.

hugenerd-I will definitely answer your question. Ill have to get back to you as i am in a bit of hurry right now. Also, ballgame can give insights as well. He was at both games too.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hugenerd on January 15, 2006, 12:39:03 pm
Thanks guys, no rush.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 15, 2006, 08:14:14 pm
never meant to imply that su did anything wrong...sorry if it seemed that way
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 15, 2006, 09:59:57 pm
I dont think we need to post the man's issues here, but from what I heard, they went thru the proper channels and had it resolved before the start of the their second semester.

You're right Goose... no more comments from me.  I'm sure that everyone acted appropriately, and even if they didn't it's not my place to judge.  I was just speculating based on the very limited information we have.  My bad.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 15, 2006, 10:33:49 pm
No its not your bad captj!! Believe me, when I heard it, my thoughts were the same, I thought they should be forfeiting the games as well, that is until the full story was made aware and it made sense to me. Very few things do in this simple world!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 16, 2006, 01:26:12 pm
Goose - keep us posted on the upcoming road games!

Also - don't forget Hugenerd's question. I'm interested in your reply.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 16, 2006, 02:07:17 pm
Oh dont worry, Im thinking long and hard about it!! Please note 85, the games times have.........NOT CHANGED!! Make sure you tune in!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 16, 2006, 03:13:21 pm
Goose the comic!! I had a comeback, but deemed it wasn't "necessary". I don't want to be immature! We all know we can't have that!!

I'm not sure if I'll listen on the radio. It depends if Coop is the color guy or that sorry replacement they have!!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 16, 2006, 03:16:43 pm
Predictions -

CNU at NCWesleyan – Captains will make it 4 in a row in Rocky Mount
Averett at Methodist – narch’s guys will protect their home court
Ferrum at Greensboro – The Pride will get their first conference win
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 16, 2006, 03:36:41 pm
the games times have.........NOT CHANGED!!

Of course the game times haven’t changed… the next home game isn’t until almost two weeks from now.  There is ample time come up with a reason to reschedule between now and the 28th. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 16, 2006, 04:46:09 pm
Predictions:

CNU will deafeat Weslyan

Averett vs. Methodist is a really tough one to call already seeing botht teams, but I am going to go out on a limb and say AU will defeat the Monarchs.

GC I really think they will get thier first conference win, they have been in 2 straight really close games coming up on the backend of it but this time I think they will defeat Ferrum at Haynes Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 16, 2006, 07:31:05 pm
GC I really think they will get thier first conference win, they have been in 2 straight really close games coming up on the backend of it but this time I think they will defeat Ferrum at Haynes Gym.

gullet - if your boys DON'T beat ferrum in their own gym it will be a LONG season for the pride

i have really been struggling with a sinus infection and won't be able to make the au/mc game...i hate i'm missing it because i think it could be a classic - i'll say the monarchs pull out a 68-66 win
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 16, 2006, 09:13:51 pm
Care to take a guess on the other two games, narch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 16, 2006, 10:50:51 pm
I'm going safe.

MC pulls it together and beats AU

CNU over NCW

GC over Ferrum
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 08:03:57 am
Care to take a guess on the other two games, narch?

j - those are the easy ones - cnu and gc are winners
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 08:32:30 am
Easy?!  I hope you're right, but I actually had a hard time with the CNU-NCW game.  The Bishops certainly aren't getting much love on this board, and I'm not sure why.  They did just win at SU, although the Hornets were without my pre-season USASAC POTY nominee and the Bishops probably exploited the HUGE size mismatch between those two teams.  The thing that made me decide on CNU was our recent success in their gym, but in one of those years that we beat them there, they beat us in the Freemen.  I hope you're right.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 17, 2006, 09:18:18 am
Whoever guards Jarmel Arrington will be the X factor I think in the CNU game. Dude is 6-4 and a wing and quick and has the ability to score from anywhere. If he gets shut down and of course no one picks up his slack, I think the Captains come away with a W in Rocky Mount.

CNU85, Cooper will not be the color man on this trip!! FT will be flying solo!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 17, 2006, 09:27:53 am
Arrington's seasonal statline - 70-of-150 (47%) from the floor, 38-89 (43%) on threes, 37-of-41 (90%) from the charity stripe, 27 turnovers in 13 games averaging 16.5 points/game

Not too shabby for a guy who's gone nuts in his last few games. 29 on 10-of-22 shooting (6-of-11 from behind the arc) in a OT loss to Chowan and 29 on 10-of-18 (just 2-of-6 from behind the arc but was a perfect 7-of-7 from the line) in a win at Shenandoah.

Ya he can play.

Starting Five
Carmichael - 6-6 forward - Freshman
Hall - 5-10 guard - Sophomore
Coleman - 6-7 Forward/Center - Freshman
Arrington - 6-4 - Guard - Freshman
Alston - 6-2 - Guard - Junior

Off the bench
Haut - 6-0 - Guard - Freshman
Washington - 6-5 - Forward - Freshman
Mobley - 6-6 - Forward/Center - Junior
Artis - 6-4 - Forward - Senior THE ONLY ONE ON THE ROSTER!!!
Rosell - 6-4 - Forward - Freshman
Frazier - 6-6 - Forward/Center - Freshman
Jones - 6-0 - Guard - Freshman

WOW Talk about a young team with some talent. Lets see what kind of turnover rate they have between the end of this year and the beginning of next.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 09:48:39 am
Whoever guards Jarmel Arrington will be the X factor I think in the CNU game. Dude is 6-4 and a wing and quick and has the ability to score from anywhere.

Who do you think, Goose?  Romeo?  Definitely a size mismatch there, but he might be our most intense in-your-face defender.  I just hope that he's recovered from the flu.  Shut him down, Jeremy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 17, 2006, 10:03:25 am
I talked to Romeo yesterday and he said he was feeling much better. I almost would say Selden, but he's 5-10 and thats even more of a mismatch!! But right now, definitely Romeo and I think youll see Purdham on him when Romeo is out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 01:15:01 pm
WOW Talk about a young team with some talent. Lets see what kind of turnover rate they have between the end of this year and the beginning of next.

if i had a quarter for every time someone said ncwc was young and talented, i'd have at least $1.25...they are perpetually young (and ALWAYS talented) - they haven't always played hard for 40 minutes...we'll see if that has changed

i've talked to a couple of people familiar with the usasac, and they seem to think that averett is playing the best ball in the conference right now, so tonight should be a good test for the monarchs...it's a must-win because it's a home game, in my opinion - gotta win at home and steal at least one (probably 2) road contest from au/cnu/su/ncwc to win the usasac, in my opinion
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 17, 2006, 06:03:25 pm
A close one at the half:

MC 23
AU 22

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 07:40:53 pm
averett wins 72-69 in ot...no other details right now...hate i missed that game
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 08:07:00 pm
Captains 1 for 9 on free throws late in the 1st half.   >:(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 08:25:08 pm
Halftime -

CNU 34
NCW 34
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 08:34:46 pm
Captains 5 for 15 (33%) on free throws in the 1st half!  Unbelievable!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 17, 2006, 08:54:36 pm
look on the bright side Captj...we were 3-4 on FT to close the half!!! Before that we were 2-11!! I think you could bounce.....

We're gonna lose this one......Captains missing FT, Romeo remains cold.....getting beat on the boards.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 17, 2006, 09:02:19 pm
is it me..or does it seem to anyone else that NCW is driving to the hoop at will??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 17, 2006, 09:08:54 pm
too many fouls...this game is hard to listen to....any word on the GC/FC game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 09:20:12 pm
Gboro 63
FU 52

Pat's going to be mad at you for asking without going to the scoreboard first!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 17, 2006, 09:35:35 pm
I do it on purpose..... :D

Captj...which game was better...NCW or CMU????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 17, 2006, 09:45:21 pm
I don't think I've ever heard CJ as ticked as he just was on the post game! I'd hate to be at practice thursday!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on January 17, 2006, 09:48:15 pm
Big win for Pride guys and girls tonight.  Big run to open second half stretched it out for the pride.  Ferrum got it down to about nine or so but never really got close.  Haynes is the toughest place to play in conf.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 09:59:20 pm
NCW – 93
CNU – 80

Captains had way too many turnovers and not nearly enough rebounds and made free throws to counter two very hot players (Hall with 36, Arrington with 27).  Did no one defend those guys? 

NCW – 47 rebounds
CNU – 35 rebounds

CNU – 19/35 FT (54%)
Hall (NCW) - 19/22 FT (matches THE ENTIRE CNU TEAM for made FT)

Barton 24 pts
Romeo 14 pts on 4/13 (31% fg), 1/8 (13% 3fg)

I’m pretty disappointed, to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 10:00:57 pm
Haynes is the toughest place to play in conf.

Pretty bold statement!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 10:06:31 pm
Haynes is the toughest place to play in conf.

Pretty bold statement!

and the monarchs have already won there...good to know they've won in the toughest place to play in the conf.

i love how the gc fans get so pumped over a home win against ferrum...not exactly anything to write home about

for me, still no details on the au/mc barn-burner...maybe it's better that i don't know - i hope that i don't find out the monarchs had a 20+ point lead that they blew (as they did against both gc and ferrum before pulling out the w) - gotta finish, and gotta win at home - right now i'd say au is looking like they are in the best shape because of record (obviously) and getting a win on the road against a contender
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 10:17:06 pm
ok, i've at least got a box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0117.htm) - looking at the play by play it looks like the monarchs were up 12 about 1/2 way through the second half, then averett took a lead and mc needed 2 seth thomas ft's with about :20 left to force ot - looks like au was pretty dominant in ot - thomas had another really nice night with 18/11, but still only took 11 shots...i think he needs to get 14-16 shots, within the system, on a nightly basis - he did have 5 turnovers, which is uncharacteristic of him - lee had an abysmal night shooting the ball (1-10/0-4) to continue a trend of poor shooting at home that was the case last year...not sure what's going on there - monarchs won the rebound battle, but didn't shoot well enough and had too many to's - gotta get better boys!

GO MONARCHS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 18, 2006, 12:41:03 am
GC's win vs. Ferrum may not seem very big, but consider. James Newman, arguably the team's most talented player (many of you had him on pre-season all-conf. teams) did not play due to innjury.

Berg had a huge game (27 pts) and can really shoot. Expect some other big games by #12. FC hasn't won but they have talent and you've got to play well to beat them.

And the comment bout the toughest place to play is true. I have been on the road alot with our teams and been to the conference sites and I have not found anywhere louder than Haynes Gym. The only place that could come close to touching the toughest place is to play is Averett with the Blue Crew.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 08:22:27 am
game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/averett.htm) from monarchs online

game story (http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=224583) from the fayetteville observer
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 18, 2006, 12:10:05 pm
It seems to me that if a team successfully defends its home court year after year, it is a “tough place to play”.  Since CNU has only lost 6 conference games at home in the past 10 YEARS, it must be a “tough place to play”.  Ferrum beat us last year (yeah, I was shocked also), Greensboro beat us in 03-04, Methodist beat us in 03-04 and 96-97, NCW beat us in 03-04 and 01-02.  The rest of you guys haven’t won at CNU for at least a decade.  Show me a team that has defended its home court better than that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 18, 2006, 12:32:55 pm
In the last decade, CNU has won the following away games in hostile territory –

Averett – 10 years in a row!
Ferrum – 9 times
Greensboro – 7 times
NCW – 6 times
Methodist – 6 times
Shenandoah – 4 times

So, unless CNU is the ONLY team to beat the Hornets in Winchester the last decade, then CNU’s 6 total losses at home to all of the USASAC teams COMBINED, certainly has defended its home court the best.

AND, if you want to use CNU’s ability to get wins in hostile territory as a litmus test for the rest of the conference, then Shenandoah is the SECOND toughest place to play, followed by Methodist and NCW, with Greensboro the FIFTH toughest place to play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 02:15:14 pm
captj - once again you have inspired me to crunch some numbers...you are my statistical muse :)

over the last 3 full seasons (chosen because the usasac website gives EASILY accessible home and away records for those seasons), in conference games only (to accomodate for varying degrees of ooc schedule strength) here are some numbers to ponder re: "toughest place to play in the conference"

teamhome recwin %away recwin %win % diff
su15-5.756-14.30+.45
mc19-1.9514-6.70+.25
cnu16-4.8013-7.65+.15
gc13-7.6510-10.50+.15
fc7-13.354-16.20+.15
au5-15.252-18.10+.15
ncw11-9.559-11.45+.10

conclusion - over the last 3 years, su is DEFINATELY the "toughest" place to play, followed by mc, with ncwc being the "easiest" place to play as measured by home win % vs. road win % differential

i think the gc fans may have been literally talking about hanes as the TOUGHEST place to play...ie - it's so old and rickety that it's TOUGH to play there? :)




Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2006, 02:48:09 pm
Haynes is the toughest place to play in conf.
Pretty bold statement!
I thought it was "Hanes" Gym, but hey, I've only been there a few times.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 02:56:34 pm
what a difference adding 2 years makes

here are the records for the last 5 years

teamhome recwin %away recwin %win % diff
su22-11.6710-23.30+.37
au13-20.395-28.15+.24
gc20-13.6113-20.39+.22
ncw22-11.6716-17.48+.19
cnu28-5.8522-11.67+.18
fc12-21.366-27.18+.18
mc27-6.8223-10.70+.12

what does this tell me?  that hanes STILL isn't the toughest place to play in the usasac :) and the monarchs and captains have been pretty good in conference, wherever they have played, over the last 5 years
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hugenerd on January 18, 2006, 03:40:06 pm
I have nothing to do this league, but I disagree with that analysis.  You are punishing good teams for winning on the road vs. winning at home.  According to your analysis, a team that wins 100% of home games and 100% of away games would be at the bottom of your list because their differential would be 0 (likewise if a team loses all their games on the road and 40% at home, they would be at the top of your list).  Just because a team only wins 1/3 of their away games and 2/3 of their home games doesn't make them a good team or a tough team to play at home (especially since they are losing 1/3 of their games at home).  I would look at your analysis and see that cnu and mc have the best records at home and on the road by far, so I wouldn't even bring any other teams into the analysis.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 18, 2006, 06:00:01 pm
Thanks hugnerd...as an analytic guy by occupation.....the away record for each school and the subsequent differential has nothing to do with a teams home record when trying to figure out the toughest place to play.

Having said that, I still think Narch came up with the data on the home records and that shows a couple fo things....going back 3 years MC is the toughest place to win (for schools other than MC). and going back 5 years it's CNU with MC a very close second. So, if I had to make an analysis combining those figures I would have to say that MC is the toughest place to play and win currently......the trend is that they are winning more, lately. Of course to really prove that you would need to figure out the same stats for the past 2 years, the past year, and then look at this year.

Either way - it sure as heck ain't GC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 18, 2006, 06:45:38 pm
According to your analysis, a team that wins 100% of home games and 100% of away games would be at the bottom of your list because their differential would be 0 (likewise if a team loses all their games on the road and 40% at home, they would be at the top of your list). 

I like this nerd guy.  He's absolutely correct... this analysis is rubbish.  Imagine that; a team that sweeps the conference and wins every home and away game would come in LAST in narch's analysis.

Here is the bottom line... The current USASAC teams have won in Newport News 6 times in the last decade.  Read that again... 6 LOSSES IN A DECADE.  A place where visiting teams almost never win is a pretty tough place to play. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 18, 2006, 07:01:47 pm
That said, if you look at ONLY the last 3 years, Methodist's 95% winning percentage at home makes them the "Monarchs" for that period.  But, like narch said, when you go back two more years CNU's 85% home winning percentage edges them out.  And if you go back a decade like I'd like to do, CNU's 90% over such a long period is CNUnbeatable.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 07:29:02 pm
nerd/captj/85 - obviously, cnu and mc have been the toughest places to play in the usasac as measured by home wins (with gc ranking 5th out of 7 schools), but is that because of the location of the game or the quality of the team that plays in that venue?? - as the numbers show, cnu and mc are tough to beat REGARDLESS of where they play...oh yeah, keep in mind the "disclaimer" at the bottom of my analysis :)

as measured by home win % vs. road win % differential

clearly some teams are substantially more difficult to beat at home (see su), which leads me to believe there is either something about the facility or mindset of the players that gives them a legit "home court advantage"

i think any way you slice it, it's going to be hard for a gc fan to substantiate the claim that "haynes [sic] is the toughest place to play in conf."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 07:35:16 pm
He's absolutely correct... this analysis is rubbish. 

rubbish?  isn't that a bit harsh, j?:)  every analysis needs a frame of reference or control group...the away records served that purpose in this analysis...analysis without some sort of framework is simply running numbers, and any 7th grader can do that...this is high level stuff, man :)

and a decade is ancient history in sports...no need to go beyond 3 years, in my opinion (of course, the last 3 years are MOST FAVORABLE for monarch fans  ;))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 09:05:37 pm
let's get an insider's opinion - isoar, you played in every gym in the usasac and had a pretty nice home conference record in your time in a monarch uniform

what is the toughest place to play in the usasac and why?

p.s. - the monarchs sure could use the little things you did in the green and gold...setting solid screens, hustling after loose balls, grabbing some rebounds and occassionally throwing one down would be nice things to see in the monarch post players right now
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on January 18, 2006, 09:48:17 pm
Hanes hoodlums will be out in full force on Sat.  GC will roll NCW!  Remember this GC is very close to 3-0 in the conf.  Only lost by a combined total of five points in first two games.
ROLL PRIDE!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 19, 2006, 04:55:45 am
I assume by "toughest" places to play we're talking about fans.  So here's my take on it:

As much as I hate to say it...toughest place to play over the past four years was CNU.  There's a lot of history there, the fans pretend to understand basketball, they get loud for every game...and they get on you, of course playing a solid team doesn't make it any easier.  I still remember looking up at the scoreboard with about 8min left in the game my So. year after Seth said, "We might score 100 this game."...........We didnt score again for the rest of the game.  Nice Seth. 

Last year, GC was tough, a good amount of people in a small gym=loud.  We had that whole bad blood thing between the two teams.  Everyone was talking about how great GC was going to be...again.  The team really responded to the crowd, but if I remember at  the conf tourny, the fans get bored pretty easily when things don't go their way.   (For the record, GC stole our saying.  Green Gold, You Know...Except they say, Greensboro, You know....weak GC...weak.)

SU hasnt had great fans since my fr year.  They seemed kind of fair weather.  They have like three cheerleaders who kinda...dont do much...its less than impressive. 

AU has a small(for the size of the gym) but VERY loud cheering section that sits directly behind the bench and yells...all game...about nothing...and everything.  Winning? yelling.  Losing? yelling.  Timeout? yelling.  freethrow? yelling, After the game? It could have been confused for yelling but it was actually crying. 

When NCW was good, they had good fans.  They would usually pick one or two guys, and stay on them the whole game.  Last year they kinda gave up early. 

FC...  I never want to play there.  Worst. Place. Ever.  Long Ride.  No Town. They had one fan, who was at every game, he left when his son transferred.  When their team runs out, it sounds like someone is trying to start the slow clap. 

As for MC... the first three years  Our fans were pretty weak.  Our cheerleaders didn't lead cheers.  I've seen fans actually cheer the other team, because of a blocked shot, or a dunk.  Weak.  During an SU game, where we were playing for a conf championship, it was a two point game with less than 5min left and you could hear a pin drop.  Last year was better, but it was still kinda random.  One thing our fans lack is basketball IQ.  It might have something to do with the fact that we have very few homegames.  Maybe its just because I'm from Gainesville that I'm so critical of our fans, but maybe its because they really aren't that great. 




all misspellings in this post were intentional.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 07:41:01 am
narch –

“Rubbish” might be harsh, but your formulaic method was certainly flawed.  The example that nerd provided is pretty conclusive proof of that.  The reality of it is that there is probably no way to calculate “the toughest place to play” statistically or scientifically.  It is probably going to have to be done in some subjective way, which you have suggested by asking ISoar for his opinion.

I know this about CNU’s home games; we put a lot of fans into the Freeman.  Against Shenandoah last week the attendance was almost 1100, and the students weren’t even back from semester break yet.  When we beat your Monarchs last season there were almost 1900 delirious on hand fans to witness it.  And they don’t sit on their hands and talk about current affairs.  They are loud and into the game.  I hope you’ve been to the Freeman for one of our games.  The atmosphere (and the team’s success) is what keeps guys like 85 and me, as well as many of our former professors and classmates, returning year after year.  It’s great to see Dr. Paul, Dr. Coker, CJ’s brother Charlie (former coach at W&M), and occasionally a guy that you might have heard of named Bruce Hornsby.  Dr. Coker goes to ALL games, men and women. 

I can’t prove it, of course, but I think that opposing teams are pretty intimidated by all of it.  I know this; when the Hornets were warming up for the game last week several of their guys were sweating PROFUSELY a few seconds into warm-ups.  Sure, they could have been warming up in the locker room before coming out, but I’m guessing that it was nervous sweat.  Our guys don’t come out of the locker room looking like Secretariat after the Belmont.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on January 19, 2006, 10:02:29 am
In the last decade, CNU has won the following away games in hostile territory –

Averett – 10 years in a row!
Ferrum – 9 times
Greensboro – 7 times
NCW – 6 times
Methodist – 6 times
Shenandoah – 4 times

So, unless CNU is the ONLY team to beat the Hornets in Winchester the last decade, then CNU’s 6 total losses at home to all of the USASAC teams COMBINED, certainly has defended its home court the best.

AND, if you want to use CNU’s ability to get wins in hostile territory as a litmus test for the rest of the conference, then Shenandoah is the SECOND toughest place to play, followed by Methodist and NCW, with Greensboro the FIFTH toughest place to play.


Capt. J, actually, Averett defeated CNU in the Grant Center on Feb. 9, 2001 by an 81-72 final.  CNU was ranked #5 in the nation at the time.  Now I admit, we haven't won since and it had been a long time prior, but it hasn't been 10 years since we beat you at our place.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 10:19:17 am
Averett defeated CNU in the Grant Center on Feb. 9, 2001 by an 81-72 final.  CNU was ranked #5 in the nation at the time. 

You're right, my bad.  We've only won 9 of the last 10 in the Grant.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 10:24:26 am
AUC -

You've been pretty quiet lately, even with your guys doing so well.  Hopefully the only times you post won't be when I make a boo-boo.  Speak up!  Tell us what's making the Cougars play so well this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 19, 2006, 10:47:58 am
I'm still disappointed in CNU student turnout for the games. With a school of about 5,000 we should put more Freeman Fanatics in the stands! Where are all the other student athletes besides the baseball team? And they have to leave in February when their season starts. The football team showed up a few times in the past few years....where have they been this year? And where is the pep band? a no show so far this year? The cheerleaders are good! But from my last row nosebleed seat, not many of us old "blue haired" people in the stands cheer with them.  They only get a real nice applause when they do the pom pom "C" "N" "U" thing. If we can put 1,000 from the community in the Freeman when school is on break, we should be able to put 2,000 in the stands on a regular basis! I haven't seen the Freeman as being "Fan Tough" since a few years ago when we were ranked as high as #2 and made it to the Elite 8 only to be denied a trip to the final four in an OT game.

Bring back the pep band
and somehow get the students excited about hoops!! It will bring more people from the commnity to the game. Make Tommasino hoarse from having to speak over the crowd!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 12:07:35 pm
I'm still disappointed in CNU student turnout for the games.

It's not like high school where they have mandatory-attendance pep rallies to get the kids fired up with school spirit.  But you're right, the student attendance did seem low the early part of the year before semester break.  Maybe they were all cramming for finals?  I  do know that with the school's shift from a commuter college to a more traditional one, fewer students will attend during the semester break since they are now from out-of-town.

I do miss the football and baseball teams.  They did a LOT to get the fans fired up during the games.  Maybe in the past those teams felt like they were second fiddle to the basketball program, and now that football has become a big part of the CNU experience and the baseball team has that great new facility, they don't feel like they need the extra attention.  Just a theory.  I doubt that the basketball players go to baseball games, although I do remember seeing Albert Haskins at a football game doing some pre-season basketball promotion a few years ago.  I think he was handing out schedules.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 19, 2006, 12:54:56 pm
I did some snooping on the pep band thing. Apparently, since CNU started a marching band program, that the pep band is actually a class that they can get credit for. So obviously, when school is out for the semester or for Thanksgiving break, we wont ever see the pep band. I believe the one opportunity they had to show and did not come was the season opener against Southern Virginia. I do know they will and should be at every home game from here one out. The pep band of old was a group of mostly non CNU students (who were tho at one time) who had put the pep band together and were at every game, but since they got rid of them and have this new group, they wont come to every game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 19, 2006, 01:30:52 pm
Actually, I've been disappointed for a few years at the student turnout. No more excuses for this year. And where is the football team? The baseball team made a few games when there wasn't a break.

I do know that a few of the football players went to baseball games. I went to one baseball game 2 years ago and the football offensive line was there...they were cracking me up! Good group of guys.

Captj - I think you could be right. I don't recall seeing the hoops players at the football games. But it is hard to pick out 14 guys at Pomoco....even if some of them are over 6'5". I can remember in high school, athletes went to just about every other sporting even, unless there was a conflict in schedules. Just seems to me that the teams can support each other a little better than they do.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on January 19, 2006, 01:38:28 pm
Well Capt. J, the main reason we are playing so well is because we have Coach Allen on our side.  He really knows how to get the most out of his players and can construct a style of play around who he has available.  Last season we scored over 70 points only 10 times all season and were more productive in the 1/2 court set.  This year we have done that 12 times already and like to outrun the opponents.  We are more athletic this season.

There are also several that can hurt you on the offensive end for AU.  We are averaging 78+ points per game and only Sterling Williams (12) and Cory McDaniel (10) are averaging double figures.

Are you making the trip this Sunday?  It should be a great game with two very athletic teams.  Keep your eye on the little guard #14 Dominique Stevenson, he is fun to watch, as are all of the Cougars, he is just lightning fast.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2006, 01:45:59 pm
narch - “Rubbish” might be harsh, but your formulaic method was certainly flawed.  The example that nerd provided is pretty conclusive proof of that. 

how is the formula flawed?  how else would you measure the competetive advantage gained by teams when they play at home (other than measuring point spreads, which i could care less about...wins are what matter in my book)?

According to your analysis, a team that wins 100% of home games and 100% of away games would be at the bottom of your list because their differential would be 0 (likewise if a team loses all their games on the road and 40% at home, they would be at the top of your list).  

how does this prove a flaw?  if a team wins 100% of their home games AND 100% of their away games, how do you KNOW that playing at home gives them ANY competetive advantage?...it's not measurable - likewise, if a team wins 40% more at home than they do on the road, how can you say that playing at home ISN'T a competetive advantage for said team, especially when you compound those numbers over numerous seasons?

the flaw is with those who make the assumption that good teams win at home BECAUSE they are at home and not because they are good - certainly the numbers prove that there is such thing as "home court advantage", but some teams derive more of an advantage than others

i presented this analysis with the caveat that i was using the differential between home and road winning % to measure a mythical claim to which school is the "toughest place to play in the conference"...in other words, which school benefits the most from playing at home - i suspect that, in reality, the "toughest place to play" varies from school to school and even player to player - i'll bet some players PREFER to play on the road...maybe the rims at au are really tight and a particular shooter likes tight rims, or they like the look they get in hanes or they like to play in front of larger crowds at cnu - as such, i concede flaw in ANY formula, but i challenge you to find a formula that is LESS flawed than mine :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2006, 01:57:36 pm
As for MC... the first three years  Our fans were pretty weak.  Our cheerleaders didn't lead cheers.  I've seen fans actually cheer the other team, because of a blocked shot, or a dunk.  Weak.  During an SU game, where we were playing for a conf championship, it was a two point game with less than 5min left and you could hear a pin drop.  Last year was better, but it was still kinda random.  One thing our fans lack is basketball IQ.  It might have something to do with the fact that we have very few homegames.  Maybe its just because I'm from Gainesville that I'm so critical of our fans, but maybe its because they really aren't that great.

i agree wholeheartedly - the random nature is what bugs me the most - one game you'll have a few with painted faces and chests getting loud...remember how that group got in lenny hall's head last year with their "lenny, lenny" chants...it was great....and the next game it's like your in church...a really quiet one, not one of those pentecostal deals - it also bugs me that the cheerleaders and pep band (not sure if we even have one this year) don't show up for games when school is out - this year we had 4 home football games and a total of 19 men's and women's home hoops games (many of which are on the same night)...that's 23 events - they're getting scholarships, they ought to be at EVERY ONE of them - imagine if the basketball team or football team said "school isn't in so we don't have to show up for the game" - anyway, enough of my soapbox for the day - maryville is next, then ncwc on monday...should be a fun game and i'm HOPING for a rowdy crowd!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 02:50:36 pm
“Rubbish” might be harsh, but your formulaic method was certainly flawed.  The example that nerd provided is pretty conclusive proof of that.  The reality of it is that there is probably no way to calculate “the toughest place to play” statistically or scientifically.  It is probably going to have to be done in some subjective way, which you have suggested by asking ISoar for his opinion.

You stopped quoting me too soon, narch.  Read the rest of the paragraph. 

You said yourself, "if a team wins 100% of their home games AND 100% of their away games, how do you KNOW that playing at home gives them ANY competetive advantage?...it's not measurable".  That's my point... we don't know, and your formula doesn't tell us.  You're agreeing that in this scenario (season sweep), it's not measurable.  So how is the formula not flawed if it doesn't work?  I propose that for a formula to be of any value, it has to work all the time.  Why are you continuing to defend this methodology?  It simply doesn't work.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 02:53:05 pm
remember how that group got in lenny hall's head last year with their "lenny, lenny" chants...

Wow!  Thanks for the tip.  We need to do that when they come to the Freeman, cause he KILLED us in their gym.  We had no answer for him at all.

Let him have it, Captains fans!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2006, 05:10:00 pm
You're agreeing that in this scenario (season sweep), it's not measurable.  So how is the formula not flawed if it doesn't work?
not measurable and doesn't work are 2 different things, captj - in the unlikely event that a team went undefeated in the conference for a 3 - 5 year period, there would be no "measurable" competetive home court advantage for that team...the formula still works, though

if a scale tops out at 200 lbs, and i put my 200+ pound body on said scale and it is unable to measure my exact weight, does the scale work?

Why are you continuing to defend this methodology?

because
1.) i'm right :)
2.) i know you are bright enough to understand this, even with your public school education (this is a JOKE, please take it as such)
3.) i really want you to open your mind and be enlightened :)

take the challenge...find a better way to measure home court advantage - i don't pretend to think that this is the only or even best way to quantify home court advantage...it just happens to be the best way my pea brain can come up with :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 06:04:29 pm
if a scale tops out at 200 lbs, and i put my 200+ pound body on said scale and it is unable to measure my exact weight, does the scale work?

No, it doesn't.  Why are you using a 200 pound scale to weigh a narch or a CaptJ?  It is the wrong scale.  It doesn't serve its intended purpose.  Find a grown-up scale, because this one doesn't work.  And neither does your formula.  You want to pick and choose when you use it, and that does not make for a valid methodology. 

Geez, I give up.  If you can't see that then you are the one that needs to open your mind and be enlightened.  You are using the wrong scale!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 06:18:24 pm
take the challenge...find a better way to measure home court advantage - i don't pretend to think that this is the only or even best way to quantify home court advantage...it just happens to be the best way my pea brain can come up with :)

I don't think that it can be quantified.  Even though I have suggested it myself, I don't like using home winning percentage by itself because it doesn't consider the weaker teams.  A weak team could have the noisiest gym, the most abusive fans, could be located thousands of miles from the visiting team (making travel to play there grueling), and its players could be truly inspired to play their absolute BEST ball at home.  But, they still lose.  Does that mean that their gym is NOT a tough place to play?  Heck, no.  I think only the players can answer this.  Where are they intimidated?  Where do they hate to go?  Where do they perform at their worst?  Get them to answer those three questions and you will have the answer, but I don't think it can be quantified with any formula. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2006, 08:58:05 pm
You are using the wrong scale!
but it works :)

i've wrapped my noodle around this, and here is what i've come up with...i'm calling it effective home court advantage index or EHCAI

EHCAI = overall win % + h/r win % differential/2

higher EHCAI rewards good teams who play especially well at home - here is how the usasac stacks up over the last 5 years

team  EHCAI  win %
cnu - .470 - .76
mc  - .440 - .76
su  - .425 - .48
ncw - .385 - .58
gc  - .360 - .50
au  - .255 - .27
fc    - .225 - .27

and the last 3 years
(which is really all that matters since nobody who played 4 or 5 years ago is still playing)

team  EHCAI  win %
mc - .540 - .83
su - .490 - .53
cnu - .440 - .73
gc - .365 - .58
ncw - .300 - .50
fc - .215 - .28
au - .165 - .18

man, i've gone to great effort to prove something we all knew already...hanes is NOT the toughest place to play in the conference :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 19, 2006, 10:19:04 pm
Quote
man, i've gone to great effort to prove something we all knew already...hanes is NOT the toughest place to play in the conference

I freakin love it!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 10:42:15 pm
narch -

I know that you’re determined to reduce something intangible into something quantitative, but I still say it doesn’t work.  There are so many variables that it just can’t be done.  For example, you’re not allowing for the possibility that a team may not be very good at playing away games.  Sound familiar?  For at least a couple of years in a row now CNU fans (and others) have bemoaned the fact that we’re not “road tough” enough because of all of the home games we play in our non-conference schedule.  With EHCAI, wouldn’t CNU actually have a higher score if that were true?  I just think that there are too many variables, and you’re right… we’ve “proven” that GC isn’t the toughest place to play.  Let’s talk about the matchups this weekend.

Saturday
Shenandoah at Averett – Averett easily
CNU at Ferrum – CNU starters blow out Ferrum and rest for Sunday
NCWesleyan at Greensboro – GC not such a tough place to play, Bishops no longer underachieving (they made me eat those words)

Sunday
Shenandoah at Ferrum – I really, really want to pick Ferrum (but can’t)
CNU at Averett – I really, really want to pick my Captains (and do; I’m not jumping overboard yet)

Monday
NCWesleyan at Methodist – This one is tough.  I want to think that the Bishops caught my guys on an off night and that we’re better than they are.  But if they are as good as they seemed, the Monarchs could be in trouble if they haven’t gotten their house in order yet.  Playing at Maryville on Saturday is not going to help if the Monarchs go down hard and come back with even more questions.  I’m going with the hunch that CNU had a bad night and that the Bishops played their absolute best to beat us, and that they can’t do the same to the Monarchs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on January 20, 2006, 01:35:20 am
Quote
EHCAI = overall win % + h/r win % differential/2

I thought Pi*2 x radius = EHCAI?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 08:16:19 am
For example, you’re not allowing for the possibility that a team may not be very good at playing away games.

isn't this just a different way of saying a team plays better, or "tougher" at home?? thus has a home-court advantage??

For at least a couple of years in a row now CNU fans (and others) have bemoaned the fact that we’re not “road tough” enough because of all of the home games we play in our non-conference schedule.  With EHCAI, wouldn’t CNU actually have a higher score if that were true?

it would be higher if the moaning that cnu fans have done was merited...you're confusing fan perception with reality...the numbers show that in conference games, cnu is only 18% worse on the road than they are at home (a 6 game swing over a 5 year span and cnu has just one less road win than the monarchs over that span ranking second in road conference wins)...the monarchs are the only team that has a lower winning % differential - the PERCEPTION that cnu loses much more on the road than they do at home is simply not reality

i like your analysis of this weekend's action, but i think the monarchs are playing better and i think things are starting to come together - there has been some addition by subtraction with the loss of hairston and 2 others - i think some chemistry is starting to form and i think there is a more established rotation - i'm still worried about a team that has lost double digit leads in the 2nd half of all 3 conference games, but i think the coaching staff can fix that - m'ville is a tough match up for the monarchs, but they aren't unbeatable - the game earlier in the season was close and the monarchs were playing worse than they are now (although it was a home tilt and this is a long trip) - i don't think the outcome of the game on saturday will have ANYTHING to do with the game monday...the monarchs WILL be ready for ncwc, and i, too, think they will win

here are my other picks
saturday - averett, cnu, ncwc
sunday - su, au in a nail biter
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 08:31:24 am
it would be higher if the moaning that cnu fans have done was merited...you're confusing fan perception with reality...the numbers show that in conference games, cnu is only 18% worse on the road than they are at home (a 6 game swing over a 5 year span and cnu has just one less road win than the monarchs over that span ranking second in road conference wins)...the monarchs are the only team that has a lower winning % differential - the PERCEPTION that cnu loses much more on the road than they do at home is simply not reality

Whoa!  That's way too complex for me to digest this early in the morning.  You're the man, narch.  A plus one from me coming your way, and maybe another one later (after my brain is firing on all seven cylinders) if you convince me that CNU's a good away team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 11:05:35 am
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with Bull----!

I think Narch passed  on the dazzling part!!  :o

Captj, I tried to read that comment - it's after 11 and still early to try to figure that out!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 11:29:48 am
“The New World” opens today in theaters everywhere.  If you've ever wondered who Christopher Newport was, go see it.  Or go see it because you like good movies.  CaptJ calls it a "must see".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 11:32:49 am
Captj,

how do you know it's a good movie if it opens today? Did you see it already? If so, you need a real job!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 12:02:46 pm
Captj,

how do you know it's a good movie if it opens today? Did you see it already? If so, you need a real job!  ;D

Come on... you get the Daily Press; good reviews.  Aren't the critics always right?  But the most important reason it's good is because it has THE Captain Chris in it, and I'm not talking about that guy with the giant fiberglass head working the crowd at CNU athletic events.  That makes it a MUST SEE.  You know you'll be there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 12:07:05 pm
it would be higher if the moaning that cnu fans have done was merited...you're confusing fan perception with reality...the numbers show that in conference games, cnu is only 18% worse on the road than they are at home (a 6 game swing over a 5 year span and cnu has just one less road win than the monarchs over that span ranking second in road conference wins)...the monarchs are the only team that has a lower winning % differential - the PERCEPTION that cnu loses much more on the road than they do at home is simply not reality

I’ll try to break this down a piece at a time. 

in conference games” - We’re talking about conference games only.  So far, so good.

cnu has just one less road win than the monarchs over that span ranking second in road conference wins” – Ok, this is easy enough.  Only MC has more road wins than the Captains (and the difference is just 1 win over 5 years; MC 23-10, CNU 22-11).  Continuing this thought;
CNU: 22-11 (away) + 28-5 (home) = 50-16 (overall)
MC: 23-10 (away) = 27-6 (home) = 50-16 (overall)
So, if the 2 teams have the same overall record AND MC has more away victories (but not by much), you would have to say that MC is at least a little bit better than CNU playing away.  Or that CNU is at least a little bit better playing at home.  Right?

Now, I don’t know what “cnu is only 18% worse on the road than they are at home” means, or what “the moaning that cnu fans have done” means, but I can at least figure out that the Monarchs are a better away team than the Captains (but not by much), and you therefore have NOT convinced me that we’re a good away team. 

So… no additional karma points from me, but I did give you one already for the effort.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 20, 2006, 12:28:14 pm
A Ferrum we will go, a Ferrum we will go. Hi ho the darey oh a Ferrum we will go!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:07:50 pm
if you convince me that CNU's a good away team.

i couldn't care less about the karma, but i'll give convincing you a try - keep in mind that it's all relative...EVERY team in the conference is better at home than on the road, but a team that wins 2/3 of their road games over the last 5 full seasons (not including this year) is statistically the 2nd best road team in the conference...and one of just 2 teams that win more than 50% of the time on the road - furthermore, there is only a 6 game difference in home and road wins over a 5 year period...that means cnu loses an average of 1.2 more road games than home games per year...to me, that is an acceptable differential for a team that is perceived to have such a strong home court advantage - you've lauded the cnu crowd and the intimidating nature of playing in the freeman center...cnu fans should EXPECT to win at least one more home game per year than they do on the road

here are the records for the last 5 years

teamhome recwin %away recwin %win % diff
su22-11.6710-23.30+.37
au13-20.395-28.15+.24
gc20-13.6113-20.39+.22
ncw22-11.6716-17.48+.19
cnu28-5.8522-11.67+.18
fc12-21.366-27.18+.18
mc27-6.8223-10.70+.12

now, if you were a su fan, you'd have a legit concern about your team's ability to win on the road :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 01:08:02 pm
I have to think that IF Averett sweeps the weekend series at home against Shenandoah and CNU they could get a vote or two for Top-25.  They have some bad losses, so it might not happen, but I'd sure like to see a USASAC team on that page again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:21:27 pm
Now, I don’t know what “cnu is only 18% worse on the road than they are at home” means,

85% (home winning %) - 67% (road winning percentage) = 18%

or what “the moaning that cnu fans have done” means

see your quote below

For at least a couple of years in a row now CNU fans (and others) have bemoaned the fact that we’re not “road tough” enough because of all of the home games we play in our non-conference schedule.

this MAY apply come conference tournament time, but i clearly don't think it applies to regular season play
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:26:08 pm
“The New World” opens today in theaters everywhere.  If you've ever wondered who Christopher Newport was, go see it.  Or go see it because you like good movies.  CaptJ calls it a "must see".

i couldn't care less about christopher newport, but i've seen a couple of trailers for the movie, and i'll definately get it when it comes out on dvd (i'm not big on going to the movies, but i'll bet that flick will be nice on the 36" tv with 7 speaker surround :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2006, 01:45:52 pm
Hello Narch:   Until Wednesday, I was afraid that Methodist would find Maryville basking in its press clippings but I am pretty sure they will be focused and paying attention Saturday. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:50:10 pm
Hello Narch:   Until Wednesday, I was afraid that Methodist would find Maryville basking in its press clippings but I am pretty sure they will be focused and paying attention Saturday. 

good...if the monarchs win there will be no excuses from scots nation :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 04:51:25 pm
cnu fans should EXPECT to win at least one more home game per year than they do on the road


since CNU plays 17 home games and 8 "not at home" games....I would EXPECT a lot more than 1 more home victory.....If CNU wins 2/3 of the road games...about 5, then I should expect 6 home wins......hey Captj, maybe my 12-13 prediction was too optimistic!!!.......this is a tired topic with very flawed reasoning. It's AS BAD as the public/private debate.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 04:55:11 pm
cnu fans should EXPECT to win at least one more home game per year than they do on the road


since CNU plays 17 home games and 8 "not at home" games....I would EXPECT a lot more than 1 more home victory.....

Pretty sure that since this analysis is about conference games that CNU plays the same number of home and road games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 05:11:54 pm
Pat...sshhhhh.......I was "spinning".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 05:12:04 pm
this is a tired topic with very flawed reasoning. It's AS BAD as the public/private debate.

i disagree and i don't think it's flawed, if taken for what it is - statistically speaking there is a very CLEAR home court advantage for EVERY team in the conference - EVERY team wins more at home than they do on the road - 5 of the 7 teams in this conference had winning home conference records over the last 5 years while only 2 had a winning road record...that tells me something, even if it doesn't tell me which venue is the "toughest place to play in the conference" - as i analyze and pick games on this site, i always consider the venue...now i (and anyone else who wants to pick the games) have some hard facts to show which teams have played better on the road and at home over the last 3 and 5 years - the public/private debate will never change, but at least the home-court-advantage conversation is about something basketball related
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 05:13:28 pm
a team that wins 2/3 of their road games over the last 5 full seasons (not including this year) is statistically the 2nd best road team in the conference...and one of just 2 teams that win more than 50% of the time on the road - furthermore, there is only a 6 game difference in home and road wins over a 5 year period...that means cnu loses an average of 1.2 more road games than home games per year...to me, that is an acceptable differential for a team that is perceived to have such a strong home court advantage - you've lauded the cnu crowd and the intimidating nature of playing in the freeman center...cnu fans should EXPECT to win at least one more home game per year than they do on the road

here are the records for the last 5 years

teamhome recwin %away recwin %win % diff
su22-11.6710-23.30+.37
au13-20.395-28.15+.24
gc20-13.6113-20.39+.22
ncw22-11.6716-17.48+.19
cnu28-5.8522-11.67+.18
fc12-21.366-27.18+.18
mc27-6.8223-10.70+.12


You're right.  I'm convinced that against USASAC teams we are pretty good when we invade hostile territory.  The post that I replied to earlier didn't convince me, but this one did.  You're the man, narch!

Now... WHY HAVE WE ONLY WON AN AVERAGE OF ONE GAME A YEAR MORE AT HOME THAN ON THE ROAD?!  WE SHOULD DO BETTER THAN THAT AT HOME!!  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 05:17:35 pm
this is a tired topic with very flawed reasoning. It's AS BAD as the public/private debate.

- statistically speaking there is a very CLEAR home court advantage

But here is where it gets flawed.....or giving you the benefit of the doubt it's where I get confused......suppose a team wins 85% at home and 86% on the road.....does that mean they don't enjoy home court advantage?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 05:19:32 pm
and I thought all this started to quell the claim that Haynes was the toughest place to play.......
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 07:39:51 pm
[But here is where it gets flawed.....or giving you the benefit of the doubt it's where I get confused......suppose a team wins 85% at home and 86% on the road.....does that mean they don't enjoy home court advantage?

in this scenario, home court provides no advantage from a win/loss percentage standpoint...you might be able to detect an advantage by looking at margin of victory, but that is a much more laborious analysis and something i don't care to perform...i'll take a one-point win 8 days a week - and you're right, this did start out as an exercise to prove that hanes is not the toughest place to play...funny how we haven't heard from any of the gc fans re: their claim since then...:)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 20, 2006, 08:51:17 pm
Anyone play tomorrow?? I seem to forget amongst the home/away banter!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2006, 11:11:27 pm
Narch's boys go to Tennessee and see whether Coach Lambert has managed to get the attention of the Scots after they slept through the first half of their game at Sewanee and made it pretty important not to lose to the Monarchs.  And Narch, there won't be any excuses from me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 21, 2006, 01:15:48 am
Carnegie Mellon falls tonight to Case Western 72-69 for any cnu fans who care. Capts in a big one tomorrow (today now). Need to start the weekend off right with a W at Ferrum.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 21, 2006, 05:31:46 pm
umm...not good...m'ville 91 - mc 51 - WOW  :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 21, 2006, 05:58:28 pm
CNU 77
Ferrum 55

After trailing by as much as 11 in the first half, Selden hits a trey at the buzzer to send the Captains into the locker room at halftime down by just two.

Second half all Captains.

As Goose said in the radio broadcast... "a tale of two halves".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on January 21, 2006, 06:04:13 pm
GC 88 NCW 39

Beat Down at Hanes!

Women won by about 50 also.

Roll Pride!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 21, 2006, 06:15:44 pm
Great effort and execution by the Captains in the 2nd half.  Balanced scoring; Selden 15, Romeo 15, Lewis 13, Claxton 9, Blasingame 8, Riley 8.  Not a good day for Barton, but I’m not worried about him.  Good free throw shooting; 76% for the team (including Coleman’s airball).  I feel good about the game at Averett tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 21, 2006, 06:24:42 pm
GC 88 NCW 39

Wow!  I'm impressed.  Maybe this Hanes gym is pretty tough to play in after all.  Check the box score to make sure GC didn't use a guy named Jordan (in his Hanes, get it?).

This might turn out to be one of those years when home court is more important than ever.  I hope that it is since we host the tourney this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 21, 2006, 06:31:04 pm
Wow GC took it to NCW!

CNU still has me nervous....I hate to use the cliche, but I can't think of a better phrase......which team will show up? The one that played against Lincoln, NCW, the first or second half of tonight's game?

I'm not as confident as Captj about tomorrow. It's tough to steal 2 away games in 2 days when you are inconsistent!

Narch - one word....ouch! What happened?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 21, 2006, 09:23:03 pm
Cougars keep it going, remaining undefeated in the conference with a big W today over Shenandoah, 69-50. Capts need to play solid for 40 mins Sunday. Huge game for the Capts and an even bigger game for the ever improving Cougars.

Still in shock over the spanking NCW took today, WOW.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 21, 2006, 09:56:17 pm
Narch - one word....ouch! What happened?

m'ville shot lights out...50+% from the field and 3 and just dominated mc - it's embarrassing, but not as bad as what happened to ncwc - i mean, m'ville REALLY IS a tough place to play and the scots are pretty darn good - monday should be an interesting matchup of two hurting teams
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 22, 2006, 05:54:01 am
Mville is just a tough team for MC. This is where D. Smith needs to earn his COTY award.  Speaking of COTY, too early to start talking POTY?  ROTY, GOTY, (Gym of the year) (Game of the year maybe?).


 monday should be an interesting matchup of two hurting teams


...Interesting...I hope its interesting. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 05:26:59 pm
Captains lead by 1 at the half and Blasingame opens the second half with a two-hand dunk and 2 more blocked shots.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 05:46:58 pm
Right now the GOTY is in Danville.  46-46 midway through the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 06:07:05 pm
Timeout with 3 minutes to go... Captains by 4.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 06:21:09 pm
Captains win!  CNU 73, Averett 65.  Captains win two games on the road trip.  Great game by the Captains.  Against a very hostile crowd, the Captains put together a tremendous TEAM effort. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 06:39:35 pm
The Liz Moore and Associates Team Player of the game is Davon Barton.  19 points on his 19th birthday.  Happy birthday, Davon!

I’m guessing that BEFORE the game this afternoon most of you USASAC guys on this board were (for the first time ever) pulling for CNU to win and keep the Cougars within reach.  I’m wondering… now that it’s over are you glad that we won?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 22, 2006, 06:43:02 pm
Goose...can you say "rushed shot"  really fast three times in a row? Heck, can you say it once really slow?

Just kidding...my way of letting you know I listened to you guys on the radio....very nice job! Actually, I listened to the second half. The first half I had the football game on the tube and was napping in my new recliner!!

The caps stole2 on the road....nice going....it stays tough next weekend..bring on Narch!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 09:54:28 pm
Random observations from the CNU vs. Averett box score –

FGs
CNU 25/48 (52%)
AU 18/64 (28%) Cougars miss 46 shots; great defense by the Captains

3PTFGs
CNU 2/8 (25%) are we no longer a perimeter team?
AU 7/26 (27%)

REBs
CNU 8+30=38
AU 18+19=37

TO’s
CNU 22 Way too many!
AU 16

FTs
CNU 21/28 (75%)
AU 22/25 (88%)
This one makes me feel so good.  This demonstrates how important those little 1-point opportunities really are.  Had we shot today like we did in the old days, we lose this game.  It’s as simple as that.  Lots of our MADE free throws were on the front end of 1-and-1 opportunities.  When those rim out it’s as good as a turnover.

Great game Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 10:00:30 pm
By the way, “The New World” is a great movie.  Go see it.  Christopher Newport was a pretty interesting guy.  My favorite line from the movie… “Cut off his ears”.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 23, 2006, 09:09:05 am
I’m guessing that BEFORE the game this afternoon most of you USASAC guys on this board were (for the first time ever) pulling for CNU to win and keep the Cougars within reach.  I’m wondering… now that it’s over are you glad that we won?

yes, and here is why...every team now has at least 1 loss, meaning nobody has run away...plus, au has now played 5 conference games and being 5-0 would have meant a 2.5 game or better lead on every team...gotta keep everybody bunched up as long as possible

here is my pre-analysis of the game tonight...if the monarchs don't win, they will NOT win the usasac (or a share of the usasac) for the 4th straight year...i just don't think a team with 2 home conference losses will win the title
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 23, 2006, 11:37:47 am
I’m guessing that BEFORE the game this afternoon most of you USASAC guys on this board were (for the first time ever) pulling for CNU to win and keep the Cougars within reach.  I’m wondering… now that it’s over are you glad that we won?

yes, and here is why...every team now has at least 1 loss, meaning nobody has run away...plus, au has now played 5 conference games and being 5-0 would have meant a 2.5 game or better lead on every team...gotta keep everybody bunched up as long as possible

That's the obvious.  I just wondered if maybe you're concerned that maybe there is a new monster in the conference?  I think CNU made a HUGE statement by beating the team that most were beginning to think was the best in the conference (and beating them in THEIR gym).  I wish that we didn't have to wait a week to play your guys, narch.  We're obviously playing very well.  Basketball is a game of momentum, and this season the mo has definitely shifted to CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 23, 2006, 11:43:08 am
here is my pre-analysis of the game tonight...if the monarchs don't win, they will NOT win the usasac (or a share of the usasac) for the 4th straight year...i just don't think a team with 2 home conference losses will win the title

I'd say that is a pretty good assumption.  It's too bad that your guys get the Bishops after they have a humiliating loss.  They could be really fired up at the chance to beat the defending conference champs and get back on track, so to speak. 

But maybe Greensboro showed us all something... how to stop the Hall/Arrington attack.  After going off for 36 and 27 against CNU they go a combined 3 for 24 against Greensboro.  Go figure. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 23, 2006, 01:44:02 pm
Wow the monarchs are struggling. this is a huge game for themon monday vs. NCW.  getting beat by 40 in a non-conference game during your conference season is never good and to travel all the way to maryville to do it makes it worse.  I hope grant can start making some shots. that kid can really shoot, i wonder what's going on.  the stat that jumps out was 4 assist and 24 turnovers vs. maryville. must be alot of one on one plays.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 23, 2006, 03:06:23 pm
I hope grant can start making some shots. that kid can really shoot, i wonder what's going on.  the stat that jumps out was 4 assist and 24 turnovers vs. maryville. must be alot of one on one plays.

the other number that jumps out at me is a 4, as well...just 4 shots for seth thomas - i like grant's shot...it looks PRETTY when it leaves his hands, but the fact is, he's never shot a high percentage (last 3 years he's shot 38%/40% as a frosh, 37%/30% as a soph, 41%/32% as a jr and now is at 33%/29%) - thomas, on the other hand is at 49%/43% right now...he NEEDS to be more assertive and shoot more
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 23, 2006, 10:22:59 pm
NCWesleyan wins at Methodist by 10.  Stick a fork in the Monarchs.  I am totally shocked.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 24, 2006, 02:54:50 am
Whats that sound?.......Is that the wheels falling off?

No,  A little Ducttape here, the right motivation there, the season could still be bright...well, brightER.  The guys just need to pull together.  Right now MethCo needs to understand everyone has fun when they're winning, but its hard to win when you're not having fun.  Watch great teams.  Watch the faces of their players.  They're going hard, they're confidant, and they're having a good time.  I don't think thats happening right now. (not that I can see the faces) But from what I understand nobodys dishing out fun, everyone's on a different page.  (where are you?  "I'm in the glossary, where are you?"  What? I'm still in the preface). 

And I can understand it a little, High at the Start, get worked by a few teams, lose a few guys, theres some insider issues there, but the rest of the conf is only going to see Last Year's Champs, and theyre going to try to make them This Years Chumps.  Anyways, it's time for bed, I got class in the morning.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 24, 2006, 08:38:47 am
You're right, Soar.  It sure doesn't look good, but things COULD turn around.  But you know what?  It has to happen RIGHT NOW.  The season is actually winding down already.  The Monarchs almost need to win out just to end up with a record over .500, and of the 8 conference games remaining, 5 of them are away games.  This weekend at CNU and Shenandoah could put the lights out for good on the season that "could still be bright".

Here's what I am concerned about; that when MC arrives in Newport News this Saturday they will be as fired up to win as NCW was when they came into your place last night.  Do the MC players BELIEVE that they can win out the remaining games?  We'll see on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 24, 2006, 08:44:11 am
MC's surprising season has me wondering about the wisdom of such a brutal non-conference schedule.  Does "what what doesn't kill us" really make us stronger?  You would think that with an experienced team (like MC) a tough schedule WOULD make them better, at least that's the common wisdom.  But maybe it just isn't true.

I still think CNU needs to play a tougher non-conference schedule, but I'm glad that we didn't have MC's.  Certainly not this year with so many new faces.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 24, 2006, 08:44:44 am
i didn't post last night to try to get a little separation from the game and my emotions - monarchs really played well the last 5 minutes of the first half to pull away and lead by 4 at the break, then stretched that lead a little (to 7 at one point) in the first 10 minutes of the second half and led by 6 with just under 10 minutes left...then things started to go astray for the monarchs - ncwc got back those 6 points with a quickness, and didn't look back - the monarchs looked very tired and out of breath, especially grant - he spent all night running around guarding lenny hall AND he carried the offensive load for the monarchs last night while playing 39 minutes...tough thing to do, and i thought that was one of the differences in the game...grant took a couple of shots toward the end that looked like shots a very tired player would take, and he started playing defense with his hands on hall, sending lenny to the stripe 16 times - other monarchs seemed a bit fatigued, as well - maybe this is why the monarchs have had difficulty closing out games in the 2nd half...maybe they aren't in great shape??

ncwc is VERY athletic and VERY long, but they're really a 2 man show with hall and arrington (#2 played well in spurts inside for them, as well and had 12 points) - the monarchs forced hall and arrington to shoot poorly from the field (combined 13-37), but they do such a great job of getting to the line and converting there that they combined to go 19-21 from the line - lenny got 30 and arrington got 21 - lenny certainly wasn't the same player i remember seeing last year - those guys, especially hall, really force officials to make a lot of calls - hall seems to lean into his defender on EVERY shot attempt, looking for the contact and foul - i'd like to see the officials call an offensive foul or eat their whistle on those plays, as it seemed to me that hall was initiating the contact, but that's tough for an official to do when the defender is moving with the offensive player and there is contact - 9 times out of 10 the offensive player is going to get the call, and hall really takes advantage of that - and he makes a team pay by converting a very high percentage of those ft's...i was impressed with his play

i'm not sure if the wheels are falling off or if you can put a fork in the monarchs, but this is an IMPORTANT weekend - mc NEEDS to win 2 road games against good teams to stay in the hunt

lastly, congrats to eugene grant on reaching the 1000 point mark!

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/ncwesleyan.htm)
box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0123.htm)
fayetteville observer story (http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=224995)

GO MONARCHS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 24, 2006, 09:20:27 am
I agree with you narch about NCW being a two-man show with Hall and Arrington. Can you honestly tell me that Arrington is a legit D3 freshman?? Do you think he belongs at a higher level?? I do!! That kid can play!! But I think as those two go, NCW goes. Perfect example is against us and you and then at Greensboro. The two combined to go 3-for-24 at GC and against us they were a combined 17-of-35 and 24-of-28 from the free throw line. Im guessing now opposing teams cant let the two of them get to the stripe cause they both are outstanding free throw shooters. At one point I said to someone let Arrington get his and shut everyone else down but if you cant shut them both than look out!! (Reminds me of William Paterson in 2001, sorry CNU fans, hated to bring that back up!!)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 24, 2006, 11:13:02 am
PS Narch - Where was Shuford?? I heard he didnt show up till late in the first half. Class?? Military?? Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 24, 2006, 12:04:04 pm
Tough loss and very tough weekend ahead for Monarchs.  Coach Smith started the small lineup on monday with thomas at 4. It's good to see Grant come out a little more aggressive, but thomas still is not shooting enough. Their seniors has got to step up and demand the ball and have a big weekend if they want a chance to turn this season around. 
Congrats to Grant on his 1000, wish that kid was having a better senior year. He is a great kid and extremely hard worker. 
Scary thought for you Narch what happens when those two leave Grant and Thomas.  McDonald is talented and it appears he would be their go to player as a sophmore, is this a correct assessment?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 24, 2006, 12:07:25 pm
Isoar the monarchs could use you right now, go in there and rally the troops
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 24, 2006, 04:19:27 pm
PS Narch - Where was Shuford?? I heard he didnt show up till late in the first half. Class?? Military?? Just curious.

uniform...i saw him running out of the gym with a green uni on (everyone else had a yellow uni on) and about 20 minutes later he came back in with the same uniform as the rest of the team

i think arrington is right where he belongs - he wasn't overly impressive - he's athletic as all get out, but he takes some really bad shots and he disappeared for long stretches last night, not to mention the poor shooting % (6-17, 4-12)  - i'm sure he's at ncwc for a reason, and i'll bet it has something to do with limited options, but i don't think he's some kind of super freak who doesn't belong in division 3 - there isn't a HUGE gap between d2 and d3 talent (monarch96 and hoopshops can probably attest to that) and he's NOT a d1 player - the biggest difference between d2 and d3 teams is depth of talent, not individual talent

96...i don't even want to think about life w/o thomas and grant quite yet - i think fred mcdonald and travis mcbryde both have a bright future for the monarchs - it's unfortunate that mc was unable to land a couple of high quality big men (other than mcbryde) in the last few recruiting classes - i know the staff was chasing some good ones...ben strong who ended up at guilford (and is leading the odac in scoring right now) and a couple of quality student-athletes that passed up winning for dollars at uncp - i'd feel much better if one or two of those guys were in the rotation and getting regular pt for the monarchs so that they were in position to take a larger role in the future, but they aren't, so the coaches have to work to bring some kids who can make an impact QUICKLY into the fold next year...still too much season left to start thinking about next year - i saw enough out of the monarchs to know the talent and ability is there, it just needs to be uncovered for 40 minutes

and, yes, isoar would be tremendously appreciated this year (although i think he was very much UNDERAPPRECIATED last year...including by me :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 24, 2006, 05:50:16 pm
Another bad sign... Monarch fans talking about next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 24, 2006, 06:39:10 pm
uniform...i saw him running out of the gym with a green uni on (everyone else had a yellow uni on) and about 20 minutes later he came back in with the same uniform as the rest of the team

Who was it in the Super Bowl that took so much heat for not being able to find his helmet?  Thurman Thomas for the Bills?  Uh... how many Super Bowls did the Bills win?

Twenty minutes into the game?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 24, 2006, 08:43:40 pm
Speaking of 1000 point scorers... CNU is about to celebrate another member of the club.  Jeremy Romeo is about 3 or 4 games away from the milestone.  Jeremy is one of the most pure shooters I've ever seen in the Freeman Center (and a great defender), and although I've been hard on him for not performing to the often unrealistic expectations that CNU fans have placed on him, I predict that more than a couple of the points that bring him closer to the milestone will also bring about the demise of CNU opponents.  With some players I am a little bit apprehensive when they launch a shot, but when Jeremy takes a shot I EXPECT it to go in.  Fire away, Jeremy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 25, 2006, 09:35:47 am
captj-
   At the rate Romeo is going, it could be a while before he gets the final 57 points he needs to reach 1,000 for his career!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 25, 2006, 10:56:17 am
captj-
   At the rate Romeo is going, it could be a while before he gets the final 57 points he needs to reach 1,000 for his career!!

Booo!  Hisss!  Oh ye of little faith!  I think Jeremy is about to go off on the USASAC teams we play.  He's far too good a shooter not to.  Four games max.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 25, 2006, 11:36:00 am
Not giving up on the season, the thought just crossed my mind. I too think the monarchs have enough talent to compete for the title this year and hopefully they will step up and get it done.

Back to narchs statement about the difference between division I and division II. I can only base this on the teams that I've seen. I've seen the last two division II national champions personally and they were very athletic teams and I haven't seen any team at the division III level that could have competed with those guys. I have never seen the division III champion though so to be honest I couldn't compare.  In this region if you break it down by state it gets a little easier to compare. The really good DII's Mt. Olive, Queens, Pfeiffer, JC Smith, St. Augs, Catawba.  probably wouldn't have a problem with the dIII's in this state.  Simply because across the board they have more talent and are well coached.  There are some DII's that do well with great coaching and effort that some of the DIII's (Guilford, Methodist in a good year, NCW in a good year) could compete with like Barton, Lenoir Rhyne, WSSU.  I think alot of the better DIII's in virginia CNU, Hampton Sydney, Va Weslyan, etc. could compete with the DII's up there with the exception of Va. Union (last years national champ).  The other dII's up there for the most part have athletes, but lack fundamentals.  When you go south, I'm not aware of any DIII's in SC. Then when you hit Ga. and Florida it's not even close. 1st their are limited DIII's down there and 2nd those DII's play a very high level of basketball and some could compete in alot of the DI conferences (ex: Kennesaw State 2004 division II national champ is playing it's first year of DI and is 1st place in their conference Atlantic Sun). 

I'm sure I will get alot of feedback from such a long post so let the debates begin
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 25, 2006, 12:33:27 pm
I don't think that you'll get too much debate since the teams that might be offended (the DII schools) aren't even going to see the post.  Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that most of us on this board (myself included) have NO CLUE about the DII programs and their competitiveness or superiority over DIII schools.  I have no desire to follow teams that aren't competing against CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 25, 2006, 12:41:59 pm
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uniform...i saw him running out of the gym with a green uni on (everyone else had a yellow uni on) and about 20 minutes later he came back in with the same uniform as the rest of the team

What?? Are you kidding me?? How can you have on a green uniform at home?? Ive never heard that. How can a player make that mistake?? I know he's not 18, right? But I just cant believe that a player, playing at home, would go out there with a green uniform on and then not return until late in the first half, hearing this from someone who was in attendance.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 25, 2006, 01:39:08 pm
The really good DII's Mt. Olive, Queens, Pfeiffer, JC Smith, St. Augs, Catawba.  probably wouldn't have a problem with the dIII's in this state.  Simply because across the board they have more talent and are well coached.  There are some DII's that do well with great coaching and effort that some of the DIII's (Guilford, Methodist in a good year, NCW in a good year) could compete with like Barton, Lenoir Rhyne, WSSU.

96 - the list of not-so-good d2's in nc is at least as long as the list of good programs - no question in my mind that the upper tier of the usasac would be competetive if they played chowan, ecsu, barton (most years...they're pretty good this year at 12-1), uncp, st. andrews,  shaw, nccu, fsu, and mars hill - i'm not saying any usasac would win this make-believe conference (although it could happen), but a team like cnu or averett or mc or ncwc wouldn't finish last in this conference, either

the monarchs have scrimmaged teams like uncp, barton and sapc and faired VERY WELL, and we know the monarchs can beat fsu :)...if i'm not mistaken, fsu won the west division of the ciaa the season the monarchs beat them (but i could be wrong)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 25, 2006, 01:49:38 pm
What?? Are you kidding me?? How can you have on a green uniform at home?? Ive never heard that. How can a player make that mistake?? I know he's not 18, right? But I just cant believe that a player, playing at home, would go out there with a green uniform on and then not return until late in the first half, hearing this from someone who was in attendance.

goose, you don't NEED to believe it, but i have no reason to fabricate that story...i saw the dude wearing a green uniform in warm-ups, then i saw him run out of the gym and come back about 6-8 minutes into the first half with a gold uniform on - there may have been other reasons that i'm not aware of which lead to his not being on the bench and in the proper uniform, but i have no reason to believe it's anything other than what it appears...a player came to the gym wearing the wrong uniform (or put on the wrong uniform when he got to the gym, or in some other way had the wrong uniform on :))

i don't want to harp on shuford, but i did notice something else that i thought was peculiar, and monarch96, i'd love to get your take as a former 2 sport athlete (right?) - at halftime, the fall all-conference performers and conference champions (or co-champs :)) were recognized - shuford was both a 2nd team all-conference performer and a co-champion as a db for the football team - he spent the ENTIRE half-time break on the court with the football team, rather than in the locker room with his hoops teammates - it struck me as odd that he wouldn't be in the locker room at halftime of a close conference game, getting coaching and instruction from the basketball coach - i'm sure his football teammates would have understood why he wasn't with them had he done this - i'm sure coach smith was aware of this situation and gave the ok, and i'm not being critical of him or shuford, i just found it a bit odd and interesting
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on January 25, 2006, 02:26:03 pm
What the h*ll are wrong with my Hornets!? :'(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 25, 2006, 03:15:02 pm
I was wondering where you were hiding?? You and rumple have been awwwwful quiet this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 25, 2006, 03:39:33 pm
Ooook narch. Thanks for helping me out there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 25, 2006, 05:12:25 pm
I agree narch the good USA South teams could definitely compete with the middle of the pack to bottom level dII's.

The shuford thing is very interesting, both wearing the wrong uniform and not being with the team at half time.  I'm only guessing, but he probably wasn't with the team prior to the game, being that he had on the wrong uniform to begin.  This means not only did he miss the half time adjustments, he also missed the pre-game talk.  I love the fact that the kid wants to do two sports, but when in season for one, that one sport should be his priority.  I think the hardest part of doing two sports, especailly in college is that you have two totally different sets of teammates.  The student athlete try to figure out which group does he belong to.  I think it's easier to do in high school because alot of athletes play multi sports in high school. In college don't see it as much and don't have anyone to pattern your behavior after.  It has got to be especially hard for this young man going from a winning team to a losing team.

Go Monarchs let's get these next two.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on January 25, 2006, 05:40:51 pm
Sorry Goose, at least I didn't show up only after that 8-2 start...lol...and came after a current 4 game losing streak...OUCH!!!!!  I will be more active though the rest of the season starting with this weekend!   I am driving down from the hood (Bethesda/Chevy Chase) to Wicked Winchester and catching my boys in action.  Do you think they will welcome me with 2 W's or will I report back with the answer to my own question?  3 game winning streak starts tonight with Hood!

 

P.S.  Someone who has been more MIA then me...Swoosh3, where is my homeboy hiding @?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 25, 2006, 10:39:55 pm
Another heartbreaker for SU. Drop a one point decision to Hood at home on a free throw.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 26, 2006, 09:03:56 am
Current standing –
Averett 4-1 (13-5)
CNU 3-1 (12-5)
NCWesleyan 3-1 (5-11)
Greensboro 2-2 (6-9)
Methodist 2-2 (4-12)
Ferrum 1-4 (5-13)
Shenandoah 0-4 (8-7)

Predictions for the weekend –
Methodist at CNU – Captains in a close one
Averett at NCWesleyan – Bishops in the semi-upset
Methodist at Shenandoah – Monarchs in a close game between two disappointed teams
Greensboro at CNU – Captains
Ferrum at NCWesleyan – Bishops

Predicted new standing after the weekend –
CNU 5-1 (14-5)
NCWesleyan 5-1 (7-11)
Averett 4-2 (13-6)
Methodist 3-3 (5-13)
Greensboro 2-3 (6-10)
Ferrum 1-5 (5-14)
Shenandoah 0-5 (8-8)

I really like how things look for the Captains right now.  We’ve got 5 of our 8 remaining games at home.  But, we end the season with our annual NC road trip through Greensboro and Fayetteville, which is ALWAYS tough.  I’m hoping we have the conference regular season title already in the bag by that time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 26, 2006, 01:01:40 pm
Current standing –
Averett 4-1 (13-5)
CNU 3-1 (12-5)
NCWesleyan 3-1 (5-11)
Greensboro 2-2 (6-9)
Methodist 2-2 (4-12)
Ferrum 1-4 (5-13)
Shenandoah 0-4 (8-7)

the monarchs need to go 2-0 this weekend to stay in contention...stealing 2 on the road, against these two teams is darn near impossible, but it has to be done to make up for the 2 home losses - the talent and ability is there...when will monarch fans see it? - i'm hoping that it's this weekend - an 0-2 weekend would be devastating, a 1-1 weekend would not be ideal, but i think 3 losses are all a team can safely withstand and still win the championship, which means sweeping the second half of the conference games if they go 1-1...not likely to happen
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 26, 2006, 01:56:34 pm
the talent and ability is there...when will monarch fans see it?

The fans may already see it.  The PLAYERS need to see it.  Fans can scream, stomp their feet, berate the opponents and officials, but we can't go onto the floor and really impact the outcome.  I know because there have been times when I've wanted to, even though the only thing that I might still be able to do is commit a flagrant foul (and Cheney isn't the CNU coach's name).

The players have to believe it, narch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 26, 2006, 03:46:57 pm
Captj - the next time CNU plays poorly, I think you should run out on the floor, steal the ball, and bounce one in!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 26, 2006, 05:21:54 pm
Captj - the next time CNU plays poorly, I think you should run out on the floor, steal the ball, and bounce one in!!

You got that right!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on January 26, 2006, 05:42:34 pm
As Goose reported, SU drops another heartbreaker at the end, this time at the line.  Strong starts followed by losing streaks are becoming all too common at SU (year after year).  Come on fellas, we can't afford to drop all six in round one of conference action.  This weekend my boys turn it around with my support!

GO HORNETS! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 26, 2006, 08:53:29 pm
Hopefully Steven Johns will return this weekend and help the cause.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 27, 2006, 12:26:18 am
I think Narc summed up the way I feel about this weekend.

Averett at NCWesleyan –  AU out plays NCW.

Greensboro at SU -  SU drops another one.

Greensboro at CNU – CNU rebounds and beats GC.

Ferrum at NCWesleyan – Is this really a question?

(Please Note the following predictions are for trash talking only: )

Methodist at CNU – This is the story of Long long drive, and a team with little Confidence... that rolls in and steals one.  (right?)

Methodist at Shenandoah – MC 2-and-ohMy for the weekend. SU Ohmy and 2
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 27, 2006, 09:22:52 am
I missed the Greensboro at Shenandoah game in my predictions above - I'm going with the home team to break into the conference W column for the first (but not last) time this season.

Predicted (REVISED) new standing after the weekend –
CNU 5-1 (14-5)
NCWesleyan 5-1 (7-11)
Averett 4-2 (13-6)
Methodist 3-3 (5-13)
Greensboro 2-4 (6-11)
Shenandoah 1-5 (9-8)
Ferrum 1-5 (5-14)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 27, 2006, 11:41:48 am
Huge weekend in the USA South. Be interesting to see how things play out once 6 pm Sunday rolls around. Im pumped. I think.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 27, 2006, 02:04:50 pm



       
   Re: USA South Conference
« Reply #1042 on: Today at 12:26:18 AM »   
I think Narc summed up the way I feel about this weekend.

Averett at NCWesleyan –  AU out plays NCW.

Greensboro at SU -  SU drops another one against the Pride Which is comming off a stunning victory

Greensboro at CNU – GC Continues with a second key win. I think this one will be a close one.

Ferrum at NCWesleyan – Ive seen both teams play and the Panthers should roll over NCW

Methodist at CNU – Methodist

Methodist at Shenandoah – Methodist
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 27, 2006, 03:37:41 pm



       Greensboro at CNU – GC Continues with a second key win. I think this one will be a close one.


I'm biting my tongue, trying to stay away from the immature and unneccessary comments....it's soooo hard! CNU wins by 20!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 27, 2006, 04:13:22 pm
Gullett has picked CNU to lose two this weekend.
I've picked Greensboro to lose two this weekend.
This should be interesting. ;D ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 27, 2006, 04:22:39 pm
Check your records, Gullett.  Has Greensboro EVER swept the road trip through Winchester and Newport News?  I seriously doubt it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 27, 2006, 09:53:40 pm
cnu85 and captj-
    Im curious to see what kind of crowd we get this weekend. This is the first game since, sheesh, what, VA Wesleyan that all the students will be back on campus. I hope they come out in force, I know they dept is trying to promote the heck out of it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 28, 2006, 10:35:13 am
cnu85 and captj-
    Im curious to see what kind of crowd we get this weekend. This is the first game since, sheesh, what, VA Wesleyan that all the students will be back on campus. I hope they come out in force, I know they dept is trying to promote the heck out of it.

I saw the BIG paid ad in the DP sports section yesterday, and if the students are ever going to turn out in force, this should be the game.  The afternoon game shouldn't interfere with studies or nightlife plans too much.  I hope they rock the house.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 28, 2006, 05:27:47 pm
Last check, Averett up 9 in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 28, 2006, 05:48:33 pm
GC 70-68 Final over Shenahdoah.

AU was up five last check.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 28, 2006, 06:14:36 pm
Averett 89, NC Wesleyan 81 Final
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 28, 2006, 06:27:32 pm
Wow!! What a game. Even when MC tied it up at 22, I wasn't worried. I figured CNU would win by 15 at that point. MC just played aweful. 32% shooting, air balls on free throws, losing a dribble when not defended. I can only remember once in the entire game thinking, "nice play" when MC had the ball. CNU was sporadic, not their best effort of the year. Gave up too many offensive rebounds to MC.

I like Selden's play and attitude. I'll make him my favorite player this year (like that means anything!). A few times when he was playing point he dribbled past Grant and was laughing. Grant couldn't keep up. MC was timid. I might get the players mixed up but it was either Grant or Lee who got their first foul with 3:57 left in the game. The other guy got his second with 1:33 left in the game.

Play of the game....Billy Mac stealing the ball at the top of the key, dribbles down the side, then across the middle, then skies from the free throw line....only to miss the dunk....still the play of the game!

Nice crowd - anyone know the attendance? Students were a force! The crowd was the reason MC had the air ball on the FT.

GC comes to town tomorrow!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 28, 2006, 08:33:44 pm
1682 CNU85 was the att.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2006, 09:19:52 pm
congrats to the capts...looks like this might be a long season for my boys, but they've gotta salvage one on sunday - looks like the cnu defense really showed up today

who would've thought that the mc/su game would be a battle of teams with such dismal conference records...and the two pre-season favorites for poty have really fallen with thomas not playing very well and onyie out for the rest of the season...i certainly didn't imagine this match up would be like this - still gotta get a w...they might be tough to come by from here on out
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 29, 2006, 10:36:40 am
Narch,

one thing I always hold out hope for is how the team is playing going into the conference tournament. Regular season really doesn't matter if you can't get it done in the tourney! Maybe your boys will get it together by then.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 29, 2006, 10:39:30 am
Random thoughts on the CNU (13-5, 4-1) win over Methodist (4-13, 2-3) –

The Captains dominated this game almost from buzzer to buzzer.  Except for a stretch late in the 1st half when they went to sleep (almost literally), they just dominated the Monarchs.  And they did it the way they have won most of their games this year; with a smothering defense.  I heard on the radio before the game that CNU was 9th (I think) in the country in fg% defense at 38% for the year.  The Monarch’s 32% in this game is only going to improve that number.

The Captains were on fire offensively in the 2nd half.  Either that or Methodist just quit and stopped defending.  We shot 69% from the floor, 80% from long, and 83% from the charity stripe.

Although this was another great TEAM effort, there were also some strong individual performances as well.  Barton had 10 points, 3 rebounds, 4 steals, and 6 assists to just 3 turnovers.  Blasingame protected the paint with stifling defense and had 11 rebounds and 5 blocks.  I found myself hoping that the Methodist post players would try to shoot on him.

Jeremy Romeo hustled the entire game.  He dove for loose balls, defended Seth Thomas most of the game, and shot the rock like he did last year.  He ended up with 18.  Thomas ended up with 8 points, with half of those near the end with CNU’s 3rd team in the game.  And, oh yeah, it was his birthday.  Happy birthday Jeremy.  I hope a lot more of our guys have birthdays on game days.  I think this is the third time this season we’ve had a birthday boy play great in a winning cause on his birthday (Purdham and Barton were the others).

At times Korey Lewis was unstoppable.  I continue to be amazed that he can miss so many oh-so-close shots that rim out or just don’t seem to fall the right way.  I’d still like to see him collect more rebounds.

Jahmar Claxton was his usual effective self.  10 points on 4 for 5 shooting, and 6 rebounds in just 15 minutes off the bench. 

Edward Riley also tough off the bench with 8 points on 3 for 5 shooting and 4 rebounds in 14 minutes.

Although the Liz Moore & Associates Team Player of the Game Award went to Claxton, I think that the broadcast team blew that call.  The Captains were lead, once again, by Donta Selden.  He was 7 of 8 from the floor, 1 for 1 from long, and 3 for 3 from the free throw line for 18 points.  He collected 5 rebounds, and did it among the trees.  His 6 turnovers ruined what was an almost perfect game.

And in reference to the question from a few days ago about players staying out at halftime for non-basketball award ceremonies; Matt Coleman was recognized for academic excellence (along with about 100 other student-athletes).  I was glad to see a basketball player being recognized, and don’t have a problem with him missing the strategy session.

Now the Monarchs –

What was up with Shuford?  Did he lose his jersey again?  Zero PT in the first half.  Zero points in the second half.

Did someone slip Radmanovic a sleeping pill at halftime?  In the first half he had 9 and 7.  In the second he had 0 and 0.  He had just one foul in the game, also in the first half.  He played 9 minutes in the second half and did nothing.

I don’t see a POTY on this team.  Like I said above, Thomas was shut down by Romeo, who is 3 inches shorter.  Grant was pretty good, but I’m not overly impressed. 

The flagrant foul by McDonald (I think) on the Romeo breakaway was totally uncalled for.  Sometimes you should just let them go in for the score.  Sure, he was successful in preventing Jeremy from landing hard, but what if he hadn’t been able to?  Taking a shot at a guy who is in the air and completely vulnerable is just cheap, and that’s what it was; a cheap shot.

Bring on Greensboro!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 29, 2006, 10:55:26 am
Play of the game....Billy Mac stealing the ball at the top of the key, dribbles down the side, then across the middle, then skies from the free throw line....only to miss the dunk....still the play of the game!

That was a pretty incredible play.  When he started to descend it looked like someone had thrown him from the rafters.  He was that high.  And the miss was because he was too long on it, not short.  And I really think that fat zebra blew the call at the buzzer when he waved off the similar dunk that would have made it a 20 point win.

Here's a play for CJ to implement - have the other guys on the team spread the defense as wide as possible, isolating Billy Mac and his guy at the top of the key.  There's not a player in this conference that could prevent him from slamming it home.  His ball handling, speed and height are unstoppable one-on-one. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on January 29, 2006, 12:52:43 pm
CaptJ,
I give you credit for past posts and won't just dismiss you as nuts (as you have of GCGullet), you are usually quite entertaining...but your comments on the CNU/MC game were unusual to me?  CNU outplayed MC no doublt, but....

1.  It was Grant (not McDonald) called for the flagarant.  I guarantee you he had two things on his mind, one being to not give up two easy points and two being to not hurt Romeo.  IMHO it was a bad call to be a flagarant foul.  Regardless of the call, (I guess I could see how it could be flagarant if i squinted hard) it was not a cheap shot or a dirty play.

2.  That 9th in the country defensive FG% stat is inflated due to competition. 

3.  What abou that really tall sub- did you see him get a defensive rebound and then do an Allen Iverson-like killer crossover in the paint of the other team only to have it stripped for an easy bucket.  I'm pretty sure just putting the ball over his head and passing would've been just fine there.  Bottom line- his two highlights were MISSING a dunk and dunking one after the buzzer sounded.  I'm not sure if that is enough to be considered unstopable one on one by anyone in the conference?

Anyway, just thought those were interesting posts? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 29, 2006, 01:02:36 pm
The flagrant foul by McDonald (I think)

You'll see that I wasn't sure that it was McDonald.  Either way, taking a shot at a guy that is in the air and completely vulnerable is IMHO a cheap shot.

And when did I say that Gullett was "nuts"?  I actually admire a guy that goes to the board strong for his team, even if I don't agree with him.

And about the poor decision that Billy Mac made... maybe that's why he's warming the bench.  That doesn't have anything to do with his ability to go to the hoop when he's isolated against one guy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 29, 2006, 06:21:51 pm
CaptJ,

A -  (I guess I could see how it could be flagarant if i squinted hard)

B - That 9th in the country defensive FG% stat is inflated due to competition. 

Responses -

A - I had to squint hard, too. I almost missed the guy carrying Jeremy out of bounds and almost into the first row of bleachers.

B - I would agree if it was still early in the season. People seem to forget that CNU has played 3 teams that, at the time, were ranked opponents. Also, since CNU is continuing its defensive play into the conference, I'm assuming your post means that the conference is weak and thus "inflating" the stats??? I'd have to check the % for conference games only. Narch can look that up - it's his specialty. Either way, the stats are what they are. I agree if CNU was in Wisconsin, the stats might be different. You just don't know for a fact, you can only speculate.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 29, 2006, 06:23:10 pm
Another dominating win for the Captains! Time to head west and try to steal one from SU. It's not going to be easy!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 29, 2006, 06:50:39 pm
I’ve been thinking about the flagrant foul call on the Methodist defender yesterday afternoon.  I’ll retract the “cheap shot” comment and change it to “VERY irresponsible”.  I agree wholeheartedly that shots should be contested, but when the defender doesn’t even go after the ball and hits him hard when he is in a vulnerable position, that is VERY irresponsible.  Those two points are not worth injuring someone over.  These guys are incredible athletes, and you can’t tell me that the defender didn’t make a conscious decision that he was going to do whatever it took to prevent Romeo from scoring.  Cheap shot?  Maybe that’s too harsh.  But it was very, very irresponsible, and in my humble opinion, there is no place for that type of play in basketball.  It’s just not worth it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 29, 2006, 06:55:24 pm
NC Wesleyan wins in OT 78-72 at home over Ferrum.
Shenandoah wings 75-72 over MC. Ouch, 0 for the weekend for the Monarchs and the Pride, who were 85-67 losers in Freeman to the Capts.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 29, 2006, 07:22:19 pm
Random thoughts on the CNU (14-5, 5-1) win over Greensboro (7-10, 3-3) –

Inflated defensive statistics?  I think not.

Are these Captains the same team that had such a hard time coming out of the gates in games early in the season?  I guess they worked that out in the non-conference schedule.  This game was as good as won at the 6 minute mark in the first half when CNU was up by 26.  Greensboro didn’t get their 10th point until about the 6:30 mark.

Free throws.

I had hoped that Romeo would get his 1000th point in the Freeman Center, but after the weekend he just had it looks like he’ll get it in Winchester this week.  Maybe he’ll come up one point short against Shenandoah (in a winning cause), and then get it on his first attempt on 2/7 against NCWesleyan.  But don’t wait, Jeremy.  Pour it on in Winchester!

Romeo had what was probably his best game this year.  8 of 11 from the floor, 6 of 7 from long, 4 assists, 1 block, 2 steals.  Great game!  I think he was determined to not let Greensboro’s D2 hotshot come into his house and show him up. 

Blasingame has to stay out of foul trouble.  Although Matt Coleman gave us some good minutes today, we need Mark in the game.  With the arbitrary nature of the officiating he has to be a little more careful than he was today.

Barton solid, as usual.  I liked the 6 of 6 from the charity stripe.  Without his free throws we’re 50% as a team today.

Korey Lewis played a great game also.  18 and 8 with 3 assists and a block.

Donta Selden had an off night statistically, but I’m guessing that he’s not too upset about it.  He spent a lot of time dogging Berg, and did a lot of things that didn’t show up on the stat sheet. 

Riley and Claxton both contributed to the 54-40 rebounding edge the Captains had by pulling down 8 and 7 boards in 14 and 13 minutes respectively.  Good game guys.

Overall, just a great TEAM effort from the Captains.

Captains win the first half of the conference schedule (with the head-to-head tie-breaker against Averett), but there’s still a long way to go before the tournament.  But it certainly looks good for getting at least a home game in the quarterfinals, if not the bye.  And with the tournament in Newport News I really like how the season is developing.

Go Captains, beat Wesleyan!!!! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 29, 2006, 09:28:19 pm
wow...tough weekend for the monarchs - i never thought 2-4 in the first half of the conference schedule was possible...not in a million years - i just can't put my finger on what is wrong with this team...they lost just 2 players from a VERY good team last year - granted, porter was a beast and booth underrated, but to go from a 20 win team to one that will be LUCKY to win 7 or 8 games?? i just never expected that...they've CLEARLY got some things to figure out, and '85, i'm not as hopeful as you come tourney time - honestly, it seems like the monarchs are playing WORSE right now than they did earlier in the season - i haven't given up hope, but it's getting close

captj - count your team lucky that they got the flagrant call - there was what sounds like a similar play in the mc/ncwc game...grant (i think) was going in for a breakaway layup and a bishop player just ran right under him...he never even put his arms out to ATTEMPT to stop the shot, nothing but body on body (and he didn't try to cushion the landing, either)...the officials didn't call a flagrant or intentional - to me, that play was the very DEFINITION of an intentional, flagrant foul - i wasn't in the gym to see the play on saturday, but i can assure you that eugene grant didn't take a "cheap shot" - it may have been a hard foul, it may have even been intentional, and there are monarch players that are probably capable of a "cheap shot", but eugene grant is a class act
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on January 29, 2006, 10:44:30 pm
To drive from CNU to Shenandoah (OR vice versa) and play a game less than 24 hours later is tough.  It may be worth tracking the results of teams on day two of that trip, since they are so far apart.  So far the record is 0-2 (1-3 if you include the women, as the Methodist women won by a point).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 09:26:53 am
A great 2-game weekend for CNU's Jeremy Romeo -

14 of 22 from the floor (64%)
9 of 12 from long (75%)
3 of 4 from charity stripe (75%)
18 and 22 points for a total of 40 in two important CNU wins
Often guarded the opposing team's best player.

His effort was just so cooly effective that when he took shots they were important points in the game's development.  Just a GREAT weekend.

Maybe a little consideration for D3Hoops.com Team of the Week?

The stats aren't as impressive as the team effort, but I've seen less impressive stats make the team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 10:16:58 am
captj - count your team lucky that they got the flagrant call

What a sorry state of affairs when we should feel "lucky" when a zebra gets an obvious call correct!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 11:13:49 am
To drive from CNU to Shenandoah (OR vice versa) and play a game less than 24 hours later is tough.  It may be worth tracking the results of teams on day two of that trip, since they are so far apart.  So far the record is 0-2 (1-3 if you include the women, as the Methodist women won by a point).

AUC -

I'm assuming you are commenting on GC's weekend since your guys haven't made that journey yet this season.  You're right; it is a brutal weekend.  But what is the alternative?  Making two trips?  The question got me thinking again on the entire schedule issue so I compiled a table of mileages from each school to the other schools. 

              AU           FC         CNU       SHEN       GC           METH       NCW
   miles   dvll, va   frrm, va   nn, va   wnch, va   gbro, nc   favll, nc   rkmt, nc
AU            X             60         232         263         44           135          140
FC           60             X          257         213         74           169          210
CNU       232           257          X           223       274           228          144
SHEN     263           213         223           X        277           360          276
GC           44             74         274        277         X               96          132
METH     135           169         228         360        96              X             95
NCW       140           210        144          276      132             95             X
TOTALS   874           983      1358        1612       897         1083          997

Obviously, Shenandoah and CNU need to do something since they don't have a single opponent less than 144 miles away.  All of the other schools have at least one opponent less than 100 miles away.  I guess that is why Shenandoah and CNU are the only schools to have TWO back-to-back, Saturday/Sunday away trips.  Additionally, both Shenandoah and CNU HOST two back-to-back weekend series.  We all know that back-to-back games are tough, so I believe that those two schools, with FOUR back-to-back weekends in the conference schedule, have it especially tough.

Weekend Road Trips -                 
         Averett               
Sat.    from   AU    to      CNU   232         
Sun.   from   CNU   to   SHEN   223         
                                              455         
         Ferrum               
Sat.   from   FC    to    SHEN    213         
Sun.   from   SHEN   to   CNU   223         
                                              436         
         CNU               
Sat.   from   CNU     to     FC    257         
Sun.   from   FC     to     AU       60         
                                             317         
                     (and)               
Sat.   from     CNU     to     GC   274         
Sun.   from     GC     to    METH   96         
                                               370         
         SHEN               
Sat.   from   SHEN    to    AU    213         
Sun.   from   AU     to     FC        60         
                                              273         
                      (and)               
Sat.   from   SHEN   to   METH   360         
Sun.   from   METH    to    GC      96         
                                               456         
         GC               
Sat.   from    GC    to    SHEN    277         
Sun.   from    SHEN   to    CNU   223         
                                                500         
         METH               
Sat.   from    METH    to   CNU    228         
Sun.   from   CNU    to    SHEN   223         
                                                451         
         NCW               
Sat.   from    NCW    to    FC       210         
Sun.   from   FC     to     AU          60         
                                                270

Comments, anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 11:29:47 am
To drive from CNU to Shenandoah (OR vice versa) and play a game less than 24 hours later is tough.  It may be worth tracking the results of teams on day two of that trip, since they are so far apart.  So far the record is 0-2 (1-3 if you include the women, as the Methodist women won by a point).

Don't just track the Winchester / Newport News road trip.  Four teams have taken back-to-back weekend road trips this season.

On the Sunday games –

CNU (1-0) – Win at Averett after a win at Ferrum
GC (0-1) – Loss at CNU after a win at Shenandoah
Meth (0-1) – Loss at Shenandoah after a loss at CNU
Shen (0-1) – Loss at Ferrum after a loss at Averett

Total (1-3)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 01:13:31 pm
Arent you supposed to be out selling what ever it is you sell?!?! You have waaaaaaay too much time on your hands young man!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 01:24:00 pm
You worry about Goose... I'll worry about CaptJ!  I'm doing just fine.  :D

Actually, I put the tables together last night after I read AUC's comment.  It seems like a pretty good topic for discussion.

Gotta get something going on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 01:46:23 pm
The housing market is down again, I see.

Captj...on your road trip mileage info...shouldn't you include the mileage for the return trip home?

I've looked at the info, and tried to draw some conclusions. There are too many variables. You would have to take your info, plus the stuff that Narch did earlier and figure it all out. How good is the team that is travelling, how far do they travel,  who are the opponents and how good are they and even -  how good are they at home, etc.

I prefer to sit in my nosebleed seat and watch the game and drink a pepsi. Captj taught me a valuable lesson....leave with 4 minutes before the half and be the first one in line for the President's room...then you'll be able to get the food. By the time I climb down from my seat and head over there, some of the food is gone. Also, Captj - it's h'ors d'euvres (did I spell that right?)...not shrimp and steak night at the Golden Coral - small portions, man. your plate was overflowing!!  ;D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 30, 2006, 02:01:43 pm
The CNU/ SU trip is very tough and it takes a really good team to sweep the trip. All back to back games are tough in college basketball.  The only good thing about these trips is that it should help the coaches and players get ready for the conference tournament.  I believe every team in the conference with the exception of NCW get to host back to back games.  I will love to see how the different coaches in the league prepare for these contest.

Let's go Monarchs, don't go down without a fight
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 02:08:55 pm
Captj must be a bigger donor than you!! Thats why his plate was overflowing!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 02:14:05 pm
Plus, he's prettier than me!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 02:22:37 pm
Well thats true!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 02:24:30 pm
speaking of looks - who is that girl that brings you Pepsi to the scorers table every game? Tell her I like regular Pepsi and a bag of plain m&m's...I'm in section C..last row..near Lou, the camera guru!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2006, 02:48:31 pm
speaking of looks - who is that girl that brings you Pepsi to the scorers table every game? Tell her I like regular Pepsi and a bag of plain m&m's...I'm in section C..last row..near Lou, the camera guru!

'85 - that's at least the 2nd reference you've made to this young lady...i think someone's got a crush :)...someone post a pic so i can determine if she's all that...

captj - thanks for the chart...you knew i'd love that - it's interesting data...you have to wonder if the travel (at least 600 round trip miles more than any other conference team in conference games) has anything to do with the high differential between home and road winning % for su

i'll have my first half all-conf selections up by wednesday...pretty busy right now, but i'm dedicated :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 02:52:07 pm
Narch - 2 different ladies..I think...I dunno...I'm old and I sit in the last row. For both of those reasons I have a crush on a lot of 'em!! Captj came to visit me yesterday...we had to call EMS for oxygen!

I think you could be right about the differential for SU....never thought about it before. It's gotta be tough for them to make road trips. And also tough for the teams that have to come from NC and do the CNU/SU weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 03:20:05 pm
Are you talking about the young lady who came and gave me a water yesterday at the game, the one who's arm is in a sling from her torn labrum surgery?? If thats who you are talking about, she's a student-intern in the Athletic Communications Department! And dont hate!!

PS If your looking for oxygen, one row in front of Captj and one section to your left sits an EMT for the NNFD. Im sure Tony, who is always talking so much smack to the refs, will be able to assist your oxygen needs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:31:08 pm
I don't need the oxygen..it was Captj .....too much President's room food and not enuff climbing the stairs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:38:16 pm
Goose,

you making the road trip tomorrow?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 03:40:07 pm
I don't need the oxygen..it was Captj .....too much President's room food and not enuff climbing the stairs!

Hey!  I represent that remark!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 03:44:07 pm
Captj...on your road trip mileage info...shouldn't you include the mileage for the return trip home?

I didn't include the return trip because by then the games are over and therefore that leg of the journey doesn't influence their play.  When you're well over 6' as most basketball players are, it's not exactly "recovery time" on that bus, but it won't influence how you play in your next game (unless you play again on Monday or Tuesday... maybe).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 03:45:51 pm
85-
   I will officially be in Shingleton for the game that is on Wednesday. I wouldnt miss it for the world!! I love Funchester!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:49:58 pm
Captj - maybe the return trip "fun" is in the back of the player's minds???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:52:08 pm
Goose - I knew it was Wednesday...today seemed so long I thought it was Tuesday already. That must be a rough one day trip...up and back. But then again, you're younger than me! Does Tommasino take you to dinner up there?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 03:54:06 pm
I've looked at the info, and tried to draw some conclusions. There are too many variables. You would have to take your info, plus the stuff that Narch did earlier and figure it all out. How good is the team that is travelling, how far do they travel,  who are the opponents and how good are they and even -  how good are they at home, etc.

We don't need to draw conclusions.  It was only offered for discussion and for entertainment value.  Please don't require a conclusion or narch will come up with another formula, and we don't want to go there again. ;D

But since narch probably can't resist, I call dibs on naming it this time.  Lets call it the RWDDI (Road Warrior Double Down Index).  Phonetically speaking it's the ROWDY!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:56:18 pm
I'm thinking about a Styx tune right now, Captj...

"Too much time on my hands"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2006, 04:02:11 pm
captj - that's funny...here is 1/2 season pvr calculations for top 15 players in the usasac

PLAYER- TEAM - PVR
HALL - NCWC - 47.3
BERG - GC - 39
ARRINGTON - NCWC    - 38.7
LAWRENCE - SU - 37.76
THOMAS - MC - 36.7
                     
BLASSINGAME - CNU - 34.4
DELEON - AU - 31.6
RAY - FC - 31.55
BARTON - CNU - 29.85
NEWMAN - GC - 29.3
                     
WILLIAMS - AU - 28.3
GRANT - MC - 27.7
MCDUFFIE - GC - 27.55
ROMEO - CNU - 26.4
LEWIS - CNU - 25.55

as a reminder - PVR is calculated as such

(ppg+rpg+spg)*1.5 + (apg+bpg)*2 - (topg)*1.5 = PVR

this IS NOT necessarily my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team...just the statistical evaluation of each player and his contribution to his team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 04:09:15 pm
Interesting how the top CNU guys are Freshman! It could be a long 4 years for conf opps.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 04:22:57 pm
As much as I like seeing 4 CNU players in the top 15, there is something inherently wrong with this formula if it indicates that Donta Selden is our FIFTH best player!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 04:54:25 pm
Check your spreadsheet, narch.  I'm entering total numbers and dividing by the number of games (no per-game stats) and I'm getting slightly different values.

Example -

Both Romeo and Lewis should have 26.33 points instead of 26.4 and 25.55.  I don't think that you should be using rounded off per-game stats.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 06:35:33 pm
When you look at the stats and their application into narch's PVR formula it is pretty clear why Donta Selden doesn't have a higher score.  It's the assist/turnover ratio, and it goes back to what I've been saying all year... he's just not a point guard.  Every once in a while he throws one into the stands.  But all year he's been the one to provide relief for Davon, while at the same time trying to keep some semblance of harmony with the starting team when Davon is in the game.  It's a very selfless thing for Donta to do, and I'm sure that if he got the usual relief like most other wings and didn't have to play out of position, he'd have far fewer turnovers and thus a higher PVR.  And, he could emphasize scoring more.  Stats don't tell everything.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 06:51:50 pm
Two things:

Yes Tommasino picks up the tab for lunch and dinner, thank you very much!!

And secondly, and I hate to say this, but can you honestly include Berg in the numbers?? Now I know narch is big on conference only stuff and so am I, but I still think a player needs to be on the team for the full year to get an all-conference nomination. I know this may stir up some debate and thats good. I would like to see  what everyone else thinks. I dont want to take anything away from the Berg kid, I thought he was decent Sunday, it definitely wasnt a great game, even tho he scored 20. Just curious to everyone's thoughts. Dont shoot me or anything!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 11:29:12 pm
I don’t have a clue about the details of young Mr. Berg transferring to GC, but there are certainly a lot of questions.  How can a guy in his very last semester of eligibility just leave school?  If GC has similar transfer requirements as CNU, he will have to attend a LOT of courses at GC to get his degree there.  So what is he going to do next fall?  Transfer BACK to Eckerd to get his degree?  It seems like if he kept up with his studies during the 3.5 years he was there, he would have close to what he needs to do so.  I hope that the GC posters on this board will let us know next fall if he’s enrolled at GC.

But to Goose’s question; IMHO he should be eligible.  He has played in all of GC’s conference games.  If they don’t make him eligible that would be like not making freshmen eligible.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 31, 2006, 07:33:07 am
The head coach at GC was at Eckard last year and from what I hear he and Berg had a good relationship.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 31, 2006, 08:39:10 am
captj - no question rounding makes a slight difference, but as long as it is done consistently, it shouldn't really affect the numbers

goose13 - i totally disagree re: berg, although i'm not sure the coaches/sid's will agree with me - to me, all non-conference stats should be thrown out the window when compiling an all-conference team...it is an all-conference team, after all

on berg...i'd be interested in finding out how old he is...at one time gc had a different (much lower) tuition rate if you're over a certain age (i think it's 23) - i think that policy is still in place, but i'll have to do some research...in the past, some athletes have "red-shirted" by sitting out a semester or 2 and then returned after they reached the magical age - if you're at that age, even if it takes a little longer to get your degree, you might save money - i'm not saying this is the case with berg, and there is nothing inherently "illegal" with this scenario if it is the case

FIXED THE STAT LINE

here is the entire stat line i'm using for each player

PLAYERTEAMPPGRPGSPGAPGBPGTOPGPVR
HALLNCWC24.54.32.240.35.247.3
BERG GC18.85.2130345
ARRINGTONNCWC22.83.811.30.23.839
LAWRENCESU12.812.810.50.833.237.76
THOMASMC13.381.22.70.52.336.7
BLASSINGAMECNU99.80.50.73.31.734.4
DELEONAU10.28.511.71.22.531.6
RAYFC10.271.71.40.80.831.55
BARTONCNU13.52.51.84.203.529.85
NEWMANGC14.82.40.51.80.71.529.3
WILLIAMSAU12.52.80.54.20.22.828.3
GRANTMC12.540.73.20327.7
MCDUFFIEGC11.53.31.53.30.5327.55
ROMEOCNU14.81.70.710.21.226.4
LEWISCNU10.75.80.31.50.72.725.55
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 31, 2006, 08:43:10 am
somehow that stat line got a bit messed up...i'll fix it
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on January 31, 2006, 09:01:26 am
Gents, I am going to use one of my “authorized” (at least I think it is) chits to comment on Narch’s PVR stats.  Note Narch did say, “this IS NOT necessarily my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team.”   Though PVR is interesting it’s too bad you cannot include heart, toughness, follower, leader, and attitude (which really is the sum of the aforementioned).  Certainly, from what I’ve observed (fortunate to have seen all the games thus far) a few of the Captains would REALLY incur some bonus points. 

Captj already mentioned Donta…..ditto on that one…6 points or 30 points, he is enthusiastic and always plays hard….his leadership has been special.  Athletically I’ve always thought the Captains had “potential.”   But suspected there success would depend on how they grew as a team.  A couple of defining moments....and these young men REALLY won my admiration….not so much as it applies to basketball, but life in general (I know, a little to deep).  At Ferrum -- was not Davon’s day and he sat for a good portion of the second half.  But the kid didn’t pout…exactly the opposite…he was cheering on his teammates and still had that big broad smile of his after the game.  He knew he would live to fight another day and that day came pretty quick.   At Averett – it was not Jeremy or Korey’s day, they sat a good portion of the second half….did they pout?….nope, they were cheering their teammates on….you have to respect and cheer for young men who display such outstanding attitudes and impeccable character…it will serve them well in life after basketball.  Davon at Averett, well 19 points on his 19th birthday….he shot lights out and made some HUGE baskets!    Jeremy and Korey…they really put it together on the court this weekend.  Couldn’t have been happier for our senior sharp shooter! 

Methodist – talented.  They scare me.  I could be wrong….but could sense they were having some chemistry problems.      Real surprised to see Dragon sit the entire second half….Narch the team has potential, but the clock is REALLY ticking. 

Also, thought Greensboro was talented—we really pinned their ears back the first half, but they played well the second half and never quit….both Methodist and Greensboro will be tough on the road.  Thanks for the dime gents….hope to see you Captains fans around the neighborhood. 

Narch, I do like your numbers though....thanks for the work. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 31, 2006, 11:50:13 am
Narch
A score that may interest you from previous post Maryville (TN) beat division II Carson Newman (South Atlantic Conference- Lenoir Rhyne, Catawba, etc.). 

I love the way you guys crunch numbers. Can you guys come up with a midseason player of the year, coach of the year, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team all-conference? I'm talking mid-year awards and lets see how many of these guys finish strong.

Steve Berg is an interesting transfer.  I didn't know that a student could play at two different schools during the same academic year.  Is this a D3 rule? It's a little odd to me that an athlete who was the second leading scorer, playing 20 min. per game for a 7-1 team. In addition attended the school for 3 1/2 years will up and leave a scholarship school to go play for a d3 school. I've heard of some great player/coach relationships but wow. I know a coaches job is to win basketball games, but where do we draw the line.  In division II there is alot talk about doing away or making it harder for schools to take transfers with one year of eligibility (renting players).   If the purpose of D3 is supposed to be about building the all-around student, how could a college justify taking a one semester transfer? I would love to see if that kid graduates after this semester. If he doesn't what happens to him then?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 31, 2006, 01:38:32 pm
96,

good points. I've thought about a lot of your points. I guess we'll never really know until Berg himself speaks up. The way things usually work, he probably transferred for reasons we haven't mentioned. Maybe something personal? who knows?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 31, 2006, 01:41:59 pm
Methodist – talented.  They scare me.  I could be wrong….but could sense they were having some chemistry problems.      Real surprised to see Dragon sit the entire second half….Narch the team has potential, but the clock is REALLY ticking. 

i have NO INSIDE INFORMATION (in fact, getting inside information right now is difficult :)) telling me that there are chemistry issues, but i have a suspicion that you are correct...and the clock has been ticking for some time...it's about to stop ticking altogether, honestly, if they don't get it together

Narch, I do like your numbers though....thanks for the work.

thanks...it's really not that much work or that difficult - i just use the usasac website and an excel spreadsheet...numbers DO have their limitations, though
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 31, 2006, 03:23:46 pm
Interesting comments all around regarding Berg.  One that I don’t necessarily agree with is that a coach’s job is to win basketball games.  Sure, he better win, but his priority should be elsewhere.  If a coach brings in a hired gun with no intention of getting a degree at that college, that’s tantamount to “winning at all costs” in my opinion.  That’s why I asked for the GC fans on this site to keep us updated on Berg’s progress toward a Greensboro College degree. 

Speaking of GC fans, where’s Gullet?  He has a @gborocollege.edu e-mail address so he’s probably pretty knowledgeable about the situation.  Since he went 2-4 on his weekend picks we haven’t heard from him.  But you gotta give him props for his temerity.  After all, he picked both NCW and CNU to lose twice at home, AND for GC to win two on the road through Winchester and Newport News.  Talk about betting with your heart!  I need to get this guy to a poker table.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on January 31, 2006, 04:01:23 pm
Steve Berg is an interesting transfer.  I didn't know that a student could play at two different schools during the same academic year.  Is this a D3 rule?

The NCAA makes you sit out when you transfer up (some say down) from D3 to D2 or D1 or from D2 to D1, or even make a lateral move at D1 (not sure about D2 lateral move?).  However, transfer down to D3 and you can play right away.  Now, some D3 conferences have rules where you cannot transfer mid-semester from one school to another within that conference.  Not sure if the USA South has that rule.  However, with Berg not being a in-conference transfer, the point is moot.  I don't think there is anything wrong with Berg playing 3.5 in Florida and transferring for his final semester.  I do have some issues with Freshman and Sophomore tranfers because it usually messes up their academic plan (if they have one?).  However, with a 4th year player who played successfully for 3.5 years, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him go wherever he wants for his final semester of play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 31, 2006, 04:43:29 pm
I do have some issues with Freshman and Sophomore tranfers because it usually messes up their academic plan (if they have one?). 

What could mess up an academic plan more than transferring after 3.5 years?  The school giving out the diploma is only going to do so if the student has accumulated the majority of his/her credits at that school.  Maybe Berg didn't accumulate many credits at Eckerd and therefore wasn't close to graduation anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 31, 2006, 09:39:29 pm
PREDICTIONS

Wednesday (2/1)
Greensboro at Methodist – MC in a nail biter
Ferrum at Averett – AU by 20
CNU at Shenandoah – CNU by at least 10
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 01, 2006, 09:39:01 am
What could mess up an academic plan more than transferring after 3.5 years?  The school giving out the diploma is only going to do so if the student has accumulated the majority of his/her credits at that school.  Maybe Berg didn't accumulate many credits at Eckerd and therefore wasn't close to graduation anyway.

What I meant is that if someone has been in school for 3.5 years he has proven he can handle college work and by that point he can make an educated decidion on what he wants to do.  By his senior year he knows (or should know) how many credits he needs to finish and what impact a transfer has on his plan. 

Who knows- maybe he only needs 1 more class, like Matt Leinart this year, and transferred to go out in style.  Or maybe he just needed to do student teaching or an internship left?

Anyway, when someone transfers as a soph they proably haven't considered graduation yet and see the classes they take as just endless credits like in high school.  Then they transfer and find out they wasted money and time by taking classes that don't fit into their new academic plan at the new school.

You might be right, maybe the 3.5 year transfer is an acedmic issue with him.  But I said I'd give him the benefit of the doubt because he proved his ability to handle the work for 3.5 years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 12:38:55 pm
leroy - you can spin it all you want, but a student transferring after 3.5 years at ANY institution is HIGHLY unusual, and i can understand why some would question it

Who knows- maybe he only needs 1 more class, like Matt Leinart this year, and transferred to go out in style.  Or maybe he just needed to do student teaching or an internship left?

this is DIRECTLY from the gc academic catalogue

"Transfer students must complete a minimum of 31 hours at Greensboro College to graduate from Greensboro College."

doesn't seem likely that he has just one class or an internship or student teaching, since he'll need 31 sh to graduate from gc...tough to do in one semester, probably impossible
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 12:55:00 pm
to move on from berg...here are my picks for tonight

cnu, averett and greensboro will be victorious

i just don't have faith in my monarchs right now, but maybe they'll make me look foolish for picking against them

it should be a good sized crowd..."take a kid to the game" and spirit night (hope the students don't get TOO spirited if there are kids around)...if the monarch maniachs (or riddle rowdies...i can't decide which moniker i like best for the non-existent group of student fans at mc) were ever going to come out, tonight would be the night

unfortunately for me, tonight is "take care of the kids" night for me...we'll be in attendance for the first half of the women's game before my fatherly duties kick in and i have to feed, bath and bed the rugrats :)

despite what i THINK will happen, i still WANT the monarchs to win

GO MONARCHS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 01, 2006, 12:58:31 pm
"Transfer students must complete a minimum of 31 hours at Greensboro College to graduate from Greensboro College."

doesn't seem likely that he has just one class or an internship or student teaching, since he'll need 31 sh to graduate from gc...tough to do in one semester, probably impossible

Wow, that's pretty wierd then.  Maybe he worked it all out so that it works out for him....or maybe he transfers back after this semester and graduates from Eckerd?  Either way, he's a pretty decent scorer.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 01, 2006, 01:13:57 pm
Ok guys, to end the stuff on Berg here is the way it goes. It is the fact of the matter that elected to finish out his carrer at GC (this was his chioce). Second of all he is a great student and will graduate  from here. There is nothing that GC did not do by the books. We follow all of the guidelines that are set and there is no reason to question that.

On a earlier post about Breg shouldnt be considered for a All-Conference team in my opinion is wrong. Berg has played in all of the Prides Conference game (thanks for saying that Narch).

But in the end all was done leagal and what he wanted to do was finish his carrer here and that is what he is going to do.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 01:15:34 pm
....or maybe he transfers back after this semester and graduates from Eckerd?

if this happens, it certainly would support captj's "winning at all cost" point

Now, some D3 conferences have rules where you cannot transfer mid-semester from one school to another within that conference.  Not sure if the USA South has that rule.

i meant to address this earlier...the usasac does require a student transferring directly from one member school to another to sit for one year

We follow all of the guidelines that are set and there is no reason to question that.

i have my doubts about the big 7'0" wake forest transfer...i've heard he was on a pretty substantial academic scholarship which was based on his high school grades, even though he had completed 2+ years at wfu with solid, but not spectacular grades which WOULDN'T qualify him for the transfer scholarship at gc...it's all water under the bridge because he's no longer at gc and when he was, he wasn't that good :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 01, 2006, 01:23:48 pm
Narch

You are  fishing up the wrong tree there. That 7"0' graduated with honors hand a 4.0 gpa. He seemed to iomprove while even though he battled injury. You shouldnt talk bout things that you dont know the full story.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 01, 2006, 01:56:02 pm
Gullett - I've re-read some (not all) of the posts concerning Berg. I think you might be getting a little defensive. I don't think anyone was questioning the legality as much as they were wondering "why" would a student do that? Then that prompted other posts and someone asked what the rules were concerning transfers in the conference. I was reading the posts from a standpoint of trying to understand "why". I could really care less about if it was "leagal".

Back to the "why" - Because you point out that he will graduate from GC, seems to imply that he has more than 31 hours left before he graduates. I was assuming just the opposite. I assumed he had all the credits to graduate from E and still had a semester of eligiblility left and for whatever personal reasons he chose to attend GC to finish out his playing career or possible finish one or 2 classes to transfer back to E.

I'm still making assumptions that his reasons were personal and possibly non-basketball related. Why else would someone transfer onto a sub .500 D3 team?

It's just interesting stuff to ponder.

Anyway, I saw him play. He was the only one in that game that impressed me. Nice shot, a little weak on defense. But overall a solid player. You've seen him in more than 1 game and can better tell than me. I can only comment on the one game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 01, 2006, 03:26:24 pm
Any more predictions on the games this evening?  Gullett?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 01, 2006, 04:14:59 pm
MC
AU
CNU

all close games!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on February 01, 2006, 04:45:28 pm
MC over GC in a close game
CNU over SU in a blowout
AC over FC in a blowout

It's time for the Monarchs to win a couple, CNU appears to be too good for SU, and wow AC is for real.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 05:05:59 pm
Narch

You are  fishing up the wrong tree there. That 7"0' graduated with honors hand a 4.0 gpa. He seemed to iomprove while even though he battled injury. You shouldnt talk bout things that you dont know the full story.

i know what i know, but the details aren't for this board...he may have graduated from gc with a 4.0, but that wasn't his gpa at wfu...and he wasn't that good and he had the most lethal (and cheap) elbows in the conference...art hatch dominated him, despite giving up about 60 lbs and a couple of inches
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 08:18:00 pm
monarchs 29, gc 28 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 08:57:09 pm
somebody tell the pride announcer that it's mcevoy (mac-eh-voy), not mcvoy...sounds like i'm missing a tight game - monarchs up 53-49
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 01, 2006, 09:02:22 pm
Capts up 59-52 with 1045 left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 09:04:34 pm
3:30 left - monarchs up 3, gc with the ball - monarchs were up by 14 earlier in the half - shuford just missed a dunk on a breakaway...and now the gc broadcast fades into nothingness....AHHHHH!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 01, 2006, 09:21:04 pm
76-67 CNU 249 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 01, 2006, 09:30:59 pm
79-70 CNU with the ball and the lead with 42 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 09:45:34 pm
monarchs win 67-65...2-0 against the pride this season - nice win
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 01, 2006, 10:23:23 pm
Capts win and so does Averett.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on February 02, 2006, 10:36:41 am
Maybe Berg wants to play another sport at GC.  huh?  A little football?  Maybe squash? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 02, 2006, 10:52:27 am
Predictions –

Methodist at Ferrum – Monarchs win because they have to
Shenandoah at NC Wesleyan – Bishops too tough at home for the Hornets
Averett at Greensboro – full of himself for being the talk of the conference for the last week, Berg goes off on the Cougars in a Pride win that helps the Captains


Conference Standings after the Super Bowl –

CNU (6-1, 15-5)
Averett (6-2, 15-6)
NC Wesleyan (5-2, 7-12)
Greensboro (4-4, 8-11)
Methodist (4-4, 6-14)
Shenandoah (1-7, 9-10)
Ferrum (1-7, 5-16)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2006, 02:10:44 pm
game story and box (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50024) from the gc/mc game

my predictions
monarchs over ferrum...a 2 game win streak would be nice...just hope it isn't followed by another 4 game losing streak :)
bishops over hornets
cougars over pride

if the monarchs can steal a game at ncwc and/or averett and at least split the cnu/su weekend, they COULD wind up as the #3 seed with some help from others against the bishops...wow, have i really sunk that low?? hoping for a #3 seed :o

in other usasac sports news, the monarchs were picked as the pre-season favorite in all spring sports except baseball and women's lax - if you haven't discovered the usasac baseball board on this site, be sure to drop by...it's mostly me posting to myself at this point :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 02, 2006, 07:46:01 pm
[if the monarchs can steal a game at ncwc and/or averett and at least split the cnu/su weekend, they COULD wind up as the #3 seed with some help from others against the bishops...wow, have i really sunk that low?? hoping for a #3 seed :o

In the conference race this season, the #3 seed is a pretty good place to be.  Not as good as #1, but just as good as #2.  The #3 seed hosts the first round and assuming they beat the #6, they'll play the #2 in the semis in Newport News.  That's better than playing the #1 seed in the semis, as the #4/#5 seed wil have to do.  I really think the Captains have a really good chance this year since it's unlikely that they'll do worse than #3, and home court advantage should be HUGE.  The students will turn out in force for those games. you can count on that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 03, 2006, 03:47:59 pm
Maybe Narch thinks this should this be a place where we all take cheap shots at other USA South schools. Rumors swirl about an entity near a milirary base "buying kids." Is it true? What about documented "Sharpie Incidents" from the gridiron?

I'm just a student. I don't work in an admissions office, which you'd think would cause one to be more professional and stay out of the sludge or sniping at other school's or their kids.

How about we talk hoops?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 03, 2006, 04:43:54 pm
Gullett

Let's see....I've been called immature..Narch is now unprofessional...captj was something...can't remember. I've sent a personal message to you as an Olive Branch and received no reply, not even to tell me to go jump in a lake. I think I've had enough. It seems like half your posts are to blast other people for having opinions, or even some facts, that you don't like to see posted so you call us names, but you try to mask it by using politically correct words. You can't take anything with any sense of humor.

I often read things on this board I don't like. 99% of the time I ignore it. That's life. I'm convinced that 99% of the time people are not trying to intentionally upset another person.

If you want to talk hoops...go ahead....don't blast other people and then end the post with.."How about we talk hoops?". what stopped you? Here's my opinion - take it or leave it - MAN UP! Talk hoops. You could have easily ignored Narch's post and said something about hoops. Why did you choose the low road and attempt to berate another long time poster to this forum. Narch contributes a lot to this forum and not everything he says I agree with. Also - when you disagree with someone, at least be man enough to address them directly and not in the third person.

I hope Pat sends you a message and asks "do you think this is really necessary?".

To everyone else - I apologize for the rant.....it must have been the other 1% that hit a wrong nerve!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 03, 2006, 04:49:52 pm
Rumors swirl about an entity near a milirary base "buying kids." Is it true? What about documented "Sharpie Incidents" from the gridiron?

......... and stay out of the sludge or sniping at other school's or their kids.



Narch - you're not allowed to sludge or snipe...only Gullet can throw that stuff out there!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 03, 2006, 05:20:55 pm
We will just have to see wont we captj.

Here's my perdictions: (be quiet captj)

CNU wins
Averett wins
Methodist wins and Gullett goes back to the dorm to do more bong hits!
Quote

Gullett didn't call me a name.  He told me to "be quiet" and that "We will just have to see wont we captj".  He also perdicted what he'd be doing in his dorm after the game.

At the time (Jan. 10), I read that post with no clue what he was talking about, and I just went back and re-read the posts that preceded it, and I STILL don't know what he was talking about.  Why was he telling me to be quiet, and what are we waiting to see?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 03, 2006, 05:26:45 pm
Wait a minute, I get it.  He misspelled “perdiction” on purpose.  An effort at humor!  Is that it?  If so; very good, young Mr. Gullett!

But I still don’t know what we are waiting to see.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 03, 2006, 08:52:21 pm
I think he's waiting for Mr. Berg and co. to defeat the Captains. Or maybe he's still upset that a 4-12 (or whatever their record is) Methodist team beat GC twice.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 03, 2006, 09:11:07 pm
What about documented "Sharpie Incidents" from the gridiron?

you might want to use the term "alleged" rather than "documented" - it's funny, whenever someone hits a spot with a gc fan, they've got to bring up past incidents and allegations....and it's always the alleged "sharpie" incident...it's such a knee-jerk response that it's almost predictable - can't you guys come up with SOMETHING more original, or recent...that's ancient folk-lore

besides, i wasn't sniping or throwing sludge...i was responding to your assertation that gc was completely above board in everything they do re: the recruitment of transfers - there was much discussion of the wfu transfer a few years ago, just as there was much discussion of berg's transfer this year...i saw some similarities in the oddity and questions surrounding their respective transfers to gc, and felt that it was relevant to the conversation at hand to bring an old conversation back up - the subject seems VERY MUCH hoops related to me, as both are basketball players who play or played at gc - now the alleged "sharpie incident"...THAT has NOTHING to do with basketball, so i suggest you take your own advice and stick to talking hoops :)

'85, thanks for having my back, bro...but mr. gullett knows little to nothing about my profession or my professionality, and i've been called MUCH worse than unprofessional :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 04, 2006, 12:00:38 am
I think he's waiting for Mr. Berg and co. to defeat the Captains. Or maybe he's still upset that a 4-12 (or whatever their record is) Methodist team beat GC twice.

They are a much better team then there record shows when I was there the other night at Methodist I saw once again just how tough of a team they really are. The thing is they dont know how to hold leads.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 04, 2006, 12:07:59 am
We will just have to see wont we captj.

Here's my perdictions: (be quiet captj)

CNU wins
Averett wins
Methodist wins and Gullett goes back to the dorm to do more bong hits!
Quote

That statement was by someone else and I do belive it was Narch but im not sure but I meant to send it in as a quote but it didnt go that way. I dont drink....lol

Gullett didn't call me a name.  He told me to "be quiet" and that "We will just have to see wont we captj".  He also perdicted what he'd be doing in his dorm after the game.

At the time (Jan. 10), I read that post with no clue what he was talking about, and I just went back and re-read the posts that preceded it, and I STILL don't know what he was talking about.  Why was he telling me to be quiet, and what are we waiting to see?


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 04, 2006, 12:10:55 am
That comment was originaly made by CNU85. But all of that is in the past and things are cool with that.
I will try to stay more on topic and try not to bash people.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 04, 2006, 08:47:56 am
Learn to spell. Show some pride.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 04, 2006, 10:41:45 am
Any more "perdictions" on the outcome of the weekend games?  Seems like a pretty easy weekend (prophetically speaking), which probably means UPSETS.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on February 04, 2006, 03:31:33 pm
Headed to Hanes!  Should be fun, it always is when au comes down.
Roll Pride!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 04, 2006, 04:47:57 pm
Guys here is the score at the Madhouse on Mcgee (aka Haynes Gym) is 38-22 The Pride over Averett. I tell yall it is loud in here with both teams fans in here....lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 04, 2006, 05:45:05 pm
I afraid there wont be an upset down in Rocky Mount. Unless the Hornets come back from a 44-19 halftime deficit. I personally hope they do.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 04, 2006, 05:47:15 pm
The Pride WIN BIG over Averett by a final score of 76-41. It was a well played game by the Pride and we came away with the W and now we roll with this momentum through the rest of the USA South season. Averett could not throw it into the ocean while standing on the decks of the USS North Carolina if they wanted to the shot 26% from the field but a great performance by our gards to lead us to victory. So it is a tough place to play here in Greensboro.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on February 04, 2006, 05:51:15 pm
Big win for the Pride.  AU fans have no class.  On a couple of ocasions they cheered a GC injury, pathetic.  I would be ashamed to go to school there.  There is no reason for that.  To all other fans on this board, when AU fans come your place give them hell.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 04, 2006, 05:52:05 pm
narch,

You should venture out of NC for a change and check out the tournament at a first class facility.  Bring the little ones so they can get acquainted with the school they'll be attending, IF they can get in. :-*

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 04, 2006, 06:42:16 pm
Congrats to the Pride for a big win at home over Averett. Su cut the lead to five with a minute to go after being down by 25 at halftime and fall 87-79 at NC Wesleyan
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2006, 09:48:53 pm
Averett could not throw it into the ocean while standing on the decks of the USS North Carolina if they wanted to...

the uss north carolina is docked at least 10 miles from the ocean...that would be a long throw for ANYONE :) - now if you count the brackish water of the cape fear river as the "ocean", your point is pretty valid - good win for the pride...really helps everyone out, but especially cnu

monarchs win by 10 at ferrum - game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/ferrumroad.htm) - box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0204.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 04, 2006, 10:13:46 pm
Predictions –

Methodist at Ferrum – Monarchs win because they have to
Shenandoah at NC Wesleyan – Bishops too tough at home for the Hornets
Averett at Greensboro – full of himself for being the talk of the conference for the last week, Berg goes off on the Cougars in a Pride win that helps the Captains


Conference Standings after the Super Bowl –

CNU (6-1, 15-5)
Averett (6-2, 15-6)
NC Wesleyan (5-2, 7-12)
Greensboro (4-4, 8-11)
Methodist (4-4, 6-14)
Shenandoah (1-7, 9-10)
Ferrum (1-7, 5-16)


Hey... I'm getting pretty good at perdicting who will win these games.  Anyone keeping score?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 04, 2006, 10:24:12 pm
You got lucky in my estimation!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on February 05, 2006, 01:41:11 am
Would you rather be lucky or good?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 05, 2006, 09:18:43 am
Good.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 05, 2006, 10:57:42 am
I am good, Goose.  In fact, I'm gooder than good.

Another "perdiction" - As much as it pains me to say it, Hollywood will be disappointed that there won't be a happy ending to the Bus script.  The Seahawks will win by 7.  The Steelers won't be able to run on them and I think that Big Ben Rberger will have an off day. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 05, 2006, 01:18:09 pm
Not gonna happen. Seattle has not seen a 3-4 defense like the Steelers and Dick Lebeau's D will shut Alexander down at the line of scrimmage and the "Stillers" will win by 10.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 05, 2006, 02:16:35 pm
I hope you're right, but I don't think so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 05, 2006, 10:57:36 pm
NC Wesleyan lost to Chowan this afternoon, 85-64 in Rocky Mount.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 06, 2006, 10:21:41 am
Perdictions –

Methodist at Averett – Averett
Greensboro at Ferrum – Greensboro
NC Wesleyan at CNU – CNU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 06, 2006, 01:11:37 pm
Quote
Perdictions –

Methodist at Averett – Averett
Greensboro at Ferrum – Greensboro
NC Wesleyan at CNU – CNU

Im gonna agree with you on two of the three. I think Methodist is gonna go into Danville and come away with a W.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 06, 2006, 01:16:16 pm
I agree with Goose on the predictions, I think that Methodist has been playing really well lately and they oviously have things going for them. The only thing that the Cougars are coming off of a big loss here at GC and they dont want to loose two in a row and at home.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 06, 2006, 03:21:06 pm
I was torn on that game also, but think that ultimately the home court advantage is too much for the Monarchs to overcome.  And Gullett is right; Averett has to be desperate to not lose this game.  It should be a great game to watch; two teams that need to win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on February 07, 2006, 12:22:14 am
Is there anything wrong with romeo? I been watching and hes getting less and less palying time...and at SU he only played 13 minutes?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 07:44:22 am
Is there anything wrong with romeo? I been watching and hes getting less and less palying time...and at SU he only played 13 minutes?

No, there's nothing wrong with Romeo.  You must not have been watching very hard because in the two games before the SU game he scored 22 and 18.  I been watching and it seems to me that he's playing great.  In case you haven't noticed he's sixth in the conference in ppg.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 07, 2006, 08:06:01 am
And in the SU game, if you notice his foul count, he picked up 3 very early in the first half and number 4 much early in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on February 07, 2006, 08:21:50 am
Agree with Goose and Captj....Romeo has been playing "fantastic!"  He is in the upper echelon of the conference shooting stats....most notable -- 3 point FG %....he is 2nd at 42.5%.  The SU game was an anomaly....foul trouble....it happens and Jeremy is very aggressive on the defensive end.    Plus it's hard to weigh the impact of his positive attitude on the court and sidelines--from what I've noted it is substantial. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2006, 08:30:37 am
my winners for tonight

cougars...the monarchs would like to exact a little revenge at the grant center and win their 3rd straight, but the cougars pride is injured...should be a great game though, and i wouldn't be shocked if the monarchs won (and i'm HOPING they do)

pride - ferrum plays hard, but so does gc

captains - as much as i WANT ncwc to win (the monarchs need cnu to lose as many as possible), and as much as i think they have the talent to win, i just don't think they will...hope i'm wrong on this one
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 07, 2006, 09:14:56 am
Two to a 1,000 tonight (hopefully). For the women's Candace Bryant is seven points away and still has one more left. The other is Jeremy Romeo. He needs 10 to hit the 1,000 mark. Should be a two-fer tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:22:08 am
Is there anything wrong with romeo? I been watching and hes getting less and less palying time...and at SU he only played 13 minutes?

This is the first of a series of quotes from Player3 that I'm using to set up a theory about him.  I think that just about everyone will agree that this post was pure dribble.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:23:15 am
What did you guys think of the small paragrpah on the d3hoops page that talked about CNUs cake schedule? don't that have 18-19 home games?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:27:11 am
last year Romeo hit 2 three pointers out of 6.  dancer was 1-1. I think Dantas hit about 3. So CaptJ i dont know what your talking about last year midnight madness.

In this one he quotes non-existent statistics to argue my (correct) claim that Romeo had been huge in last year's Midnight Madness.

Is a pattern beginning to take shape here?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:29:53 am
from what mike told me PSA has a new young coach this year and have only 2 returning players from last years 7-whaeterv team. I though his problem was played behind All World Romeo  ;) .

Is it just me or does this seem like a tongue-in-cheek shot at Romeo?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:31:26 am
Also Captj,

Dancer is one of my best friends from last year.I gaurentee you would have an entirley different tune of he had stayed and played this year. He didnt get a chance last year and i can tell u he will take advantage of his opportunity at PSUA.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:33:13 am
think the captains will struggle on D. They have never been a great defensive team

I post this one to show that the guy knows NOTHING about Captains basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:37:37 am
So here's the theory... that this guy is way too in love with his sweetheart Tiny Dancer, that he actually blames Jeremy Romeo for his departure, and that he's not really a CNU fan at all.  I think he's j