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Title: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots Hoops Fan on March 14, 2005, 09:32:28 am
Toph, the rips on the NCAC are getting tired, that's all.  I don't remember anyone claiming that the NCAC was a great conference because they have 2 very good teams.  The fact that the NCAC may not be a great conference still does not diminish the fact that Wooster and Wittenberg run outsanding programs.  After all, they are 1st and 2nd (Wooster is now tied with IWU) in all-time wins in DIII and the vast majority of those wins came before the NCAC was in exhistence.  

Bottom line is this.  First, I don't know where you came across anyone that would claim the NCAC is a great conference because of 2 good teams.  That's humorous right there.  Secondly, the NCAC seems to be making strides in becoming more competitive.  Just looking at the All-NCAC teams will tell you that.  There were only 4 seniors that made the All-conference teams.  There were no seniors on the 1st team, 3 seniors on the 2nd team and only 1 senior making honorable mention.  That tells me that there are a lot of good players that will be back next year to make the NCAC even more competitive.  Will it be OAC competitive?  Of course not and there aren't many conferences in the country that could say that.  But, compared to what the NCAC has been like, I'll take any improvement over none at all!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 14, 2005, 10:13:33 am
SHF-
I was merely making a point, I wasn't trying to disprove a claim from a poster from the NCAC.  I used the NCAC as an example that two teams don't make a great conference  (Read andrew tyrese's post, if you can and you'll understand what I was trying to say).  It wasn't an insult on my part.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jf714 on March 14, 2005, 10:24:53 am
Johnny C,

Even though you appear to be headed in the proper direction in life by going to the fine institution that is John Carroll University, you need to be set straight.  

OldKnight and Realist are right - Mike Turner of Albion is one of the good guys. Yes, Albion's gym is on the small side, but the people there are top notch.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 14, 2005, 05:03:40 pm
If anyone would like an MP3 of the last 20 minutes of the WJCU broadcast for Albion and JCU let me know, I can email it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnnycarroll on March 14, 2005, 05:23:23 pm
When did I ever rip on the people of Albion? I only ripped the timekeeper and the officials for letting him get away with adding an unnecessary .7 seconds onto the clock. And, well, I think I'm heading into the direction of going to Syracuse. I just got my acceptance letter on Saturday and am striving to be a broadcaster. Toph, any tips? :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2005, 06:46:44 pm
Toph,

I would like it, please. We can definitely find use for it.

info@d3hoops.com

Also if you have a highlight or two from the early-round games, I believe we would be able to find a place for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 14, 2005, 07:23:32 pm
Johhny C-
Learn the names, do plenty of research, you'll do fine.  If you listen to my broadcasts you'll find plenty of faults (I say the word "unbelieveable" about 7 or 8 times in 20 minutes of that clip for example), so don't use me, I'm still refining my work.

Pat-  
email forthcoming.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2005, 07:49:29 pm
Thanks, man.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 14, 2005, 07:53:47 pm
JF-
I was born in Napoleon.  How long have you lived there?

Pat-
I assume that means you got the email, I wasn't sure if it was sent, I ran out of space in my box, so I wasn't sure if it went through.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2005, 07:56:39 pm
Yeah, I got it. I don't know how it got through at 7.8 MB but it arrived!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jf714 on March 15, 2005, 09:14:13 am
Toph,

Aside from the 4 years of college, I've lived in Napoleon my whole life. I am a 1995 alumnus of JCU and was a basketball manager during the early years of the Mike Moran regime.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 15, 2005, 11:13:45 am
Toph, I want it!

Pat, if that version doesn't have the clip you want, Albion said they could get me one as well, so let me know how that comes out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 15, 2005, 12:28:57 pm
JF-
You wouldn't happen to remember the birth of the Condit triplets in 1983 would you?

JR-
I'll send you the smaller version that Pat edited down for me if that's alright with you.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2005, 12:43:13 pm
JR, Toph, I got the call from both sides. We'll have a use for both.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jf714 on March 15, 2005, 02:07:31 pm
Toph,

You were one of those?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 15, 2005, 03:38:43 pm
I am one of the three, yes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 16, 2005, 08:15:34 am
Congrats to the Davis bros, Brandon Mimes, and Zach Ross on making the all region team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on March 17, 2005, 11:04:42 am
I dont know if many are still reading, but I was wondering if anyone had any information on Brian Ingleright, former Avon Lake star, and JCU player, I believe, in 2002-2003.  Did he transfer and play somewhere else, or just stop playing at the collegiate level?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 18, 2005, 12:49:34 pm
Crazy Carl-
Ingleright transferred out of John Carroll, I don't know where he ended up.  It was pretty clear that he wasn't going to fit in with Moran's system.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on March 18, 2005, 12:58:39 pm
I see.  I am not really familiar with Moran's system (i assume he is the JCU coach?).  I played against Brian in high school, but then played D3 in Minnesota, so I sort of lost track of the Ohio college hoop scene.  Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 18, 2005, 01:14:02 pm
Carl-
Moran (yes, the JCU coach) uses a platoon system substituting 5 in and 5 out about every 7 possesions.  If the team is struggling he will ditch the system in favor of matchups late in the first, early in the second.  From my understanding Ingleright did not want to be a part of that system.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 19, 2005, 10:25:40 pm
The JCU pep band played at all of the games in Salem this weekend and was as good as advertised.  It was very cool of them to come down and play, even though the team didn't make it, and they were much appreciated by all here.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: goodknight on March 21, 2005, 10:17:21 am
That's a pep band worthy of a national championship tournament!  Great band, great leader, great tunes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on March 24, 2005, 06:30:32 pm
I would like to congratulate Thad Davis on a great season, and on being the only Ohio player to be named an All American. Representing the OAC well
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCU Drummer on March 24, 2005, 10:15:55 pm
Goodknight: Thanks for the compliment, and I will pass this on to the rest of the band.  Too bad I wasn't able to make it down to Salem.  Here's hoping for next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on April 06, 2005, 05:14:06 pm
Any thoughts about Muskingum's new coaching hire?  I feel that the OAC may see a totally new style coming out of New Concord.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on April 06, 2005, 06:43:38 pm
Ford was a heck of a player (Mr. Basketball '93, All-MAC as a senior if I'm not mistaken) and has had sucess as a head coach and asst coach, good hire.  As for the "new style" I'm not so sure.  It's not like Muskingum had a terrible year last year, and why fix it if it ain't broke?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on April 06, 2005, 08:54:02 pm
With 2 losses and an OT win vs the Muskies maybe the Streaks should be looking at a totally new style?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on April 06, 2005, 10:10:39 pm
JDean-
Eh, the Sweet Sixteen ain't that bad is it?

Here's a question I'd like to pose:  Even though the PAC now has enough teams to warrant an automatic bid does their level of competition?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 06, 2005, 10:39:03 pm
They wouldn't be the worst conference to get an AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on April 06, 2005, 11:27:50 pm
I don't doubt that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on April 07, 2005, 02:38:45 pm
Toph:
My point being do you think that Geno Ford will continue to run the princeton style offense.  Coach Burson had recruited players that would fit into his system and if Ford is going to change from the princeton, I am wondering how smooth of a transition a change will be?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on April 07, 2005, 03:22:05 pm
Ah, that is a good question.  We'll have to wait and see I suppose.  If it's worth anything, Kent State does not run the Princeton offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 11, 2005, 05:49:07 pm
The local paper printed the names of 4 recruits who will be attending Mount this coming year. Hershal Collins from Chippewa HS, Adam Gerber from Massillon Washington HS, Laraedo Gray from Kent Roosevelt HS and Kyle Miller from RB Hayes HS in Delaware County. The article didn't say this but I believe they're all seven footers who chose Mount over Ohio State.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on July 13, 2005, 01:20:59 pm
I'm sure they all had low test scores to boot...right?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 16, 2005, 11:04:00 am
They all passed the urine test.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 20, 2005, 09:57:56 am
Sorry to burst your bubble, jdean...even if it is month's later.  Laredo Gray hails from my fine alma mater and I can tell you he's no seven footer ;).

I'm merely posting this because I've started working out the basketball schedules this morning and I'm starting to get excited.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on October 22, 2005, 02:53:48 pm
Toph-

I am starting to get excited about JCU basketball!  I am tempted to head down to Cinci for the preseason tourny.  Can you answer to questions:  1.  I have read rumors that Brandon Mimes has transferred??  Any truth?  2.  Did we get any solid recruits this year?  Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 22, 2005, 08:58:31 pm
fishermamba-
I can answer one of those questions for certain.  Brandon Mimes did not transfer.  He is enrolled at JCU.  As for the recruits, I have been focussed on football so I haven't had a chance to talk to Coach Moran or see any open gyms yet.  I do know that they have a player (whose name escapes me) who was ineligable for the past two seasons and will be in action this year.  He's supposed to make a big splash.  I've heard rumors of a tall, big freshman, but can't confirm them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on October 22, 2005, 09:39:14 pm
Toph-

Thanks for the confirmation about Mimes!  Definately good news.  Any idea when they will have the Mens Roster link active or the prospectus?  not sure how close you work with the SID.  Thanks and I look forward to your insight this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 23, 2005, 12:37:51 pm
I don't know when he'll get that posted.  Sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on October 24, 2005, 02:55:30 pm
Toph-  I am now offically nervous!  The roster is now posted on the JCU website and Mimes isnt listed!  Not a good sign.......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 24, 2005, 06:13:31 pm
I said he was enrolled, I didn't say he was going to play.  That was intentional.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on October 25, 2005, 09:25:19 pm
That tall, big freshman is a woman that Mount wouldn't take because she never shaves.
Seriously, and I can be every once in awhile, I'm happy to hear Mimes is in school. Maybe a year away from the game will bring him back.
Good luck this season and don't beat Mount 70-0.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 26, 2005, 11:54:13 am
jdean-
My only hope is that if the basketball team enjoys the type of success the football team is currently having, there will be no doubt of whether or not they make the playoffs!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 27, 2005, 06:12:05 pm
I just thought it was worth noting the that Streaks are ranked 16 in the first d3hoops.com poll.  It will be interesting to see how this season shakes out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 05, 2005, 10:02:03 am
I just thought it was worth noting that MUC was unranked in the first D3 poll. I'm confident as the season
plays out that Mount will prove the brilliance of those who chose not to vote for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on November 06, 2005, 10:35:30 am
Just noticed that JCU has Cleveland State University on its bball schedule??  Any ideas why this was scheduled?  Probably planned when Mimes was going to be playing.  DI vs DIII not usually a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 07, 2005, 12:01:19 pm
fishermamba-
I don't know why it was scheduled.  It will be an exciting time for the program and the fans however, to see if the Streaks can make a game of it, or even win.  Also, I would ask you to not attach so much importance to Brandon Mimes.  John Franks is back, Derrick Smith is supposed to be a player, and there are some good young freshmen from what I'm hearing.  The Streaks have always been team first, and they will compete for the OAC title again this year, without Mimes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on November 08, 2005, 08:25:06 pm
My only point in mentioning Mimes is he was their best player last year and would continue to be a force.  A agree it has always been team first under Moran but you cant discount the impact of Mimes or any other starter from last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 09, 2005, 12:08:09 am
fish-
I agree that Mimes was (and will be) a force in the OAC and nationally.  I'm not attempting to discount what he brought to the team.  However, to make the argument that this game with CSU was scheduled because of Mimes' presence on the team is a bit of a stretch (I think).  Do you understand what I'm saying?

jdean-
I missed your post from a few days back.  Already down on this year's team?  That certainly didn't take long. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on November 09, 2005, 08:05:40 pm
Just for clarification, I didnt mean the game was scheduled because Mimes was playing (in fact athletic schedules are are planned years in advance).  My arguement was that it would have been interesting to see him play against D1 players.  I am still excited to see the team play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 10, 2005, 09:39:49 pm
My prediction for the biggest surprise of the upcoming season in the OAC:
The BW at JCU game is scheduled during winter break.  Awful, awful scheduling.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ODACfan1 on November 14, 2005, 07:17:46 pm
Emory and Henry fan here...Just wondering if anyone could give me some background on John Carroll's team this year.  Heard they lost some key guys from last year.  Hope it is a great opener for both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2005, 02:50:47 am
Just for clarification, I didnt mean the game was scheduled because Mimes was playing (in fact athletic schedules are are planned years in advance).

That's not typically true of basketball. Football, sure. Basketball, no, and especially not a game with a Division I team. Those are often the last games to come together.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 15, 2005, 12:01:05 pm
ODAC Fan-
Sorry, haven't checked the board in awhile.  Here's what I can tell you about Carroll:
1.  They lost three players from last season, but they were three key players.  Peter Koch (G), Drew Salata (F/C), and Mike Grogan (G).
2.  They will be without (in case you haven't read anything above) Brandon Mimes (F/C) but return Kyle Roggenburk, Derek Smith (who was inelligable for his first two seasons), and Jon Franks returns from the Final Four team with one final year of eligability. 
3.  The guard play looks to be pretty strong once again, Pete Moran, Chris Day, and John Curran are all back from last year.  Kevin Pap, who never saw much varsity time before, looks like he is going to join the team after soccer season.
4.  The small fowards look good as well, Joe Kimener and Demetrius Travis return, Travis had a breakout year last year (teams were leaving him open, he would nail the midrange jumpers, he's also a pretty good defender).
5.  I don't know if you've ever seen JCU before or not but they use the platoon system, subbing five in and five out about every 7 posessions, unless the game gets close and Moran feels better going with matchups.

Is that a good enough quick preview? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ODACfan1 on November 15, 2005, 02:37:51 pm
Thanks for the preview of JCU.  It was very insightful.  I know that they are a top the OAC every year, so this is huge test for a much improved Emory and Henry team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 15, 2005, 05:54:39 pm
John Carroll isn't atop the OAC every year, ODACfan1. While they have won outright or shared the last three OAC titles, keep in mind that two different schools from this conference were in the NCAA Final Four the two years before that: Ohio Northern in 2001, and Otterbein in 2002 (the eventual national champion). Plus, John Carroll didn't win the OAC postseason tournament last year; Baldwin-Wallace won it.

Don't get me wrong; John Carroll is a national power and one of the OAC's strongest programs. But they aren't atop the league every year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ODACfan1 on November 15, 2005, 07:04:44 pm
Thanks for clearing that up for me...I apologize for the mistake, as I am not too familiar with your conference.  How do you see the conference shaping up this season.  I remember seeing a strong Otterbein team last season, but I believe they lost a lot as well.  Who wins the OAC this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 15, 2005, 08:24:40 pm
It's too early (I think) to make a prediction, although it warrants mentioning that JCU was voted to finish first in both the coaches and media polls.  That being said, however, you really never know. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ODACfan1 on November 15, 2005, 09:10:15 pm
Did voters pick JMU thinking that the Mimes kid would be there.  How good was he?  Is he leaving a significant hole in that lineup?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 15, 2005, 10:04:26 pm
The polls were released on November 2.  The word that Mimes was out came in September.  Whether or not everyone knew was a different story.  Mimes is a dominant player.  Long, lean, athletic, and able to change the game with one thunderous slam.  However, as my preview for you stated, there are players to take his place.  JCU and its fans can't worry about what might have been if Mimes was playing, to take a quote slightly out of context:  "My team is on the floor."
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 15, 2005, 11:46:45 pm
...to take a quote slightly out of context:  "My team is on the floor."

My team is still on the football field and the longer they play the less bball games I'll have to suffer thru. Other than Karpinski this will be a rebuilding (or should I say building?)year. I'll repeat my earlier plea Toph--don't beat us 70-0.
You can rub it in as much as you want---just let us make one free throw, one bunny. Mercy, mercy!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:29:05 am
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:29:35 am
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 18, 2005, 06:27:00 pm
The survivor pool overflowed thanks to the second posting. No one survived.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 19, 2005, 09:00:40 am
Good news and bad. The good news is MUC only has one home game in 2005. The better news is its Capital--and we all know only the women can play basketball at Cap.
The bad news is Mount lost their first backup big man for 6-8 wks due to injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 19, 2005, 06:43:10 pm
The good news is that JCU won 137-127 over E&H and made it to the line68 times.  The bad news is that they made 37 of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 19, 2005, 10:42:14 pm
It looks like MUC won their opening game against St Lawrence 89-79. Tommorow they play Penn State-Behrend.
That must have been a great game to call, Toph! How many free attempts did E & H have? The refs could have set some kind of record with their whistles.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 20, 2005, 12:15:34 pm
jdean-
WJCU's coverage for basketball has not begun yet, so unfortunately I missed that one.  I was only looking at the box score.  E&H had 44 FT attempts.  Carroll won again on Saturday 73-72 over Mt. St. Joeseph (tough weekend for them, huh?). 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on November 20, 2005, 07:26:40 pm
Toph-

I decided to drive down to Mount St Joseph after the OSU v Mich game to watch the JCU final.  From prior post it seems like you werent able to see the game so I cant get your perspective but here is what I witnessessed:  This years team is definately weaker than the last few years.  They were having trouble with the full court press and if it wasnt for several Curran 3 pointers they would have been in trouble.  Very little if any inside game.  Derek Smith seems to be very 'rigid' in his movements and doesnt look smooth or natural on the floor.  He was put on the free throw line several times and missed a majority of them.  The rosters at the tourney didnt list any Freshman on the roster for JCU so not sure whats up.  From reading the stat sheet on the JCU website it looks like a freshman (Thomas Duncan) had a good game during the high scoring first game but then he never saw action in the second game.  During the game they subbed in player #15 who they identified as Tony DeM. but than when I look at the stat sheet on JCU website it says he only played in the first game??  Not sure if my game day thoughts are along the same page as you but it will be an interesting year.  The game versus Cleveland State could be a sad sad affair.  Anybody else see the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 20, 2005, 11:04:47 pm
Fishermba:
Nothing, nothing would look good after watching OSU chew and spit out the team from up north. Wait til the OAC games begin and I bet they'll be ready.

Mount took it on the chin 73-62 with a freshman guard as leading scorer for Mount. Maybe they will be decent by
the 2nd half of the OAC schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 21, 2005, 11:51:34 am
Fish-
I was not at the game, you are correct.  However, I think you are being a bit rushed in your judgement of this year's team.  To say that this team is "definitely weaker" than last year's team after just two games is ridiculous!  It's a long season, the new guys need time to get comfortable (and Franks needs time to get comfortable as well).  As for the lack of the inside game, I saw that Carroll was dominated on the glass, and that is a problem that needs to be remedied.  Smith only played 9 minutes, Franks and Roggenburk struggled.  Let's not get hasty in assessing the team, however.  They are 2-0 after their first two games, and a win is a win is a win, right?

And jdean-
Remember, this is a "(re)building" year, and you still have football playoffs to be excited about.  I think I'm going to make the trip to Alliance this Saturday to catch the Mount/Augie game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 22, 2005, 12:18:09 am
Just testing
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 22, 2005, 01:24:00 pm
  I think I'm going to make the trip to Alliance this Saturday to catch the Mount/Augie game.

You picked a good one if, and that is a BIG IF, you like to watch 3 yds and a cloud of rubber pellets. I suggest you get a seat on the covered side as it doesn't look like those of us on the open side will be too comfortable.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 27, 2005, 08:32:30 am
The football guys keep winning and the basketball guys don't. Mount lost to OH Wesl by about a half dozen with Karpinski getting about 1/2 Mount's points. "Rebuilding" Mount B-ball is kind of like rebuilding the Indians or the current version of the Browns--its ongoing and never totally successful.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baselinejam on November 27, 2005, 08:45:16 am
John Carroll came to town and I finally got to see them last night against Washington and Lee. I couldn't have been more disappointed. I had heard they played dirtyand didn't think much of it. Then I saw their game and it is a sad example of hoops - push, shove, reach, grab, bump. It was ugly. Topped off by a classless coach. He lectured the refs for a full 3 minutes at the end of the 1st half; ran up the score and had his players popping 3's with 2 minutes to go and they're up 30. The ref's were so intimidated it was a joke. They must have called 30 fouls on W&L and only 20 on JC. They could've whistled JC every posssesion that W&L had. The Jesuits should be ashamed of that type of team. I'm not saying W&L would have won. This just represetative of a basketball game. It was some sort of scrum.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 27, 2005, 12:45:36 pm
baseline-
Every year people complain about Carroll's style of play.  To call Carroll's physical play a "sad example of hoops" is ridiculous.  Most of the OAC plays a similar style to Carroll defensively.  I can guarantee one thing, weren't intimidated by "classless" Mike Moran.  Why, exactly, would they be intimidated?  What could Moran possibly do to them?  You were right, they did call more fouls on W&L (33-22, one being a technical on W&L), but those are the breaks.  I also noticed that every single player on the Carroll roster got playing time.  If W&L can't stop third stringers, how is that any fault of JCU's coaching staff or players?  They also couldn't have popped as many threes near the end of the game as you suggest, because they only attempted nine all game.  The bottom line is this:  It is no surprise that a nationally ranked team defeated a winless team (who turned the ball over 31 times) by 30.  If you think the Jesuits should be ashamed of Carroll's style of basketball, talk to former University President Edward Glynn, S.J., who attended every home game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ur2004 on November 27, 2005, 07:43:10 pm
baselinejam, I wouldn't worry about Carroll's style of play if I were you...they learned a lesson about physical play today - Rochester took them to school, killed them on the boards and flat-out dominated them. 

I noticed two technicals in a row on Carroll too, when they were down 35 or so.  And they got pounded by Rochester's bench players too....  basically all the stuff you were complaining about with W&L, Carroll got to experience it too.  So maybe that'll calm them down.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 27, 2005, 08:07:24 pm
The final was 91-61 for those keeping score at home.  It's surprising to see JCU lose by as many as they did, but I expected them to drop one over the weekend.  Congrats to Rochester, it seems (from the box score, since I wasn't there) that they played an excellent game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baselinejam on November 28, 2005, 10:15:07 am
Forgot to mention the full court press when you're up 30 with 3 to go. Sorry but in my book that's classless. I've coached plenty of CYO & AAU hoops and I knew when to call the dogs off.  Multiple fouls could have been called on JCU on every WandL posession. I've seen enough college hoops over the past 33 years to know a hose job when I see one. If that's the OAC's style then my I feel sorry for you - when do you ever get a chance to see real hoops?

The only thing I respect about JC was their energy level. Whatever he's doing to stoke those kids is impressive.

I saw the UR -JCU game and the outcome was very predictable. UR was more mature and talented and JCU's only hope was to even rev up their frantic style a little more. Obviously it didn't work. They got smoked by a real program and JCU's gimick style was useless.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 28, 2005, 10:57:18 am
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I saw the UR -JCU game and the outcome was very predictable. UR was more mature and talented and JCU's only hope was to even rev up their frantic style a little more. Obviously it didn't work. They got smoked by a real program and JCU's gimick style was useless.
baseline,

I'm not a huge fan of JCU's style of play either and I can't believe I'm actually defending them.  But I will say, you can't really call it a useless gimick style.  Their record over the past few seasons speaks for itself.  You don't make it to Salem playing a gimick style.  They lost a lot of talent from last season, and its going to take some time to get the new kids to get used to the system JCU runs. 

I'm sorry your team got beat so badly, but I'm not a believer in telling kids not to play.  Toph said that 3rd stringers were in at the end of the game.  These kids don't get much action, so when they do, you expect them to just lay over?  They are putting in just as much time as the starters, so when they finally get a chance to play, I would expect them to play as hard they they can.  Is it JCU's 3rd stringers' fault that your team can't stop them?  Sorry, but I just don't agree with you on JCU being "classless" for letting their bench players play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on November 28, 2005, 11:32:49 am
I've seen JCU play once, against Wooster, and that was enough for me to form my opinion.  In my eyes, they were as dirty a team as any I'd ever seen.  Obviously, I'm not alone in my feelings.

Their game plan is simple.  To hack, hold, push, shove, and elbow so much that most refereeing crews either can't see it all or finally just look the other way in the interests of keeping the game moving.  If the refs had had any guts, they'd have called 100 fouls against JCU in the game that I saw.

I've seen other OAC teams play (BW, Mount, Ohio Northern, Capital) and none of them (with the exception of a couple of thug bodybuilders on Capital a few years ago) use those dirty tactics.  It's JCU's style, obviously with a coach that condones it, and I say it's pathetic.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 28, 2005, 11:41:27 am
baseline-
I hate to break it to you, but JCU is a "real program."  How's this for a resume:
Seven playoff appearances since 1996
Elite Eight in 1998 and 1999
Final Four in 2003
OAC regular season championships in 1994, 1996, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2005
OAC tournament championships in 2003 and 2004
Six 20 win seasons in 10 years
73-19 in the last three seasons, including 37-4 at home  (from jcu.edu)

What, exactly, does Carroll need to do to become a "real program?"  The only thing they haven't accomplished is winning a national title.

While Washington & Lee has a very rich history, my very quick research seems to turn up very little after around 1980.  Perhaps you can tell me of anything the program has done in the last 25 years.  

As ScotsFan (surprisingly) said, you don't have that kind of success using a "gimmick" style.  

By the way, Carroll rarely calls off the press.  As for multiple fouls that could have been called every time down the floor, I have two responses:  1.  When isn't that the case?  2.  Nothing is more irritating then blaming officials for a loss.  Referees make calls, players make plays.  Since W&L was picked to finish 10th in the leauge, I think it's safe to assume not many people believe that the Generals have the players to make those plays.  I'm sorry you have such a bitter taste in your mouth about JCU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 28, 2005, 11:43:07 am
WoosterBooster-
I would've figured that you would've choked on those sour grapes by now.  Your team lost two years back, let it go.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baselinejam on November 28, 2005, 12:06:08 pm
Toph- I never said W&L would have won. The refs let JCU get away with murder. They never set the tempo. They seemed very good a blowing the whistle on W&L and virtually every call on W&L, was legitimate. They just didn't seem to inclined to do the same regarding JCU and they were most definitely the more aggressive team. In my humble opinion they out fouled W&L and the only persons closer to the court than me were in uniform - I had a great view. In a perfectly called game I think W&L would have lost by 7-10 points. I like refs that dictate early, that they will observe the rules. This got out of hand. The players played the way that the refs let them.

As far as the constant press goes - Nolan Richardson did it right at Arkansas and Bob Hurley at St. Anthony's is more like JCU (ugly and unforgiving). Like I said about 'class". Teach your atheltes a little about sportmanship. Read a little Deano.

I call'em the way I see'em. If I don't see it I can't make the call. JCU's style was thug/punkish. Not a very pleasant style to observe especially when the ref's are myoptic.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on November 28, 2005, 01:47:59 pm
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I would've figured that you would've choked on those sour grapes by now.  Your team lost two years back, let it go.


You can call it what you will, but I'm calling it like I saw it.  And like baselinejam, I had a great seat.

Apparently JCU hasn't changed either their bullying style or on-court demeanour in two years, and Wooster fans are obviously not the only ones that are seeing that.  If the sneaker fits, wear it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baselinejam on November 28, 2005, 03:03:30 pm
If you think the Jesuits should be ashamed of Carroll's style of basketball, talk to former University President Edward Glynn, S.J., who attended every home game. 

Happily - thanks for the lead.

A better lead would be the current president - I'll get in touch with him.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 28, 2005, 03:17:52 pm
That would be Fr. Bob Niehoff, inducted a few months back.  He's very busy now, so it may take some time to respond.  Out of curiosity, what would you tell him?  That JCU's very successful men's basketball team is lead by a coach who is not often fond of referees, and makes it clear to them (not a secret, by any stretch of the imagination), and that the team's defensive style is too aggressive? 

On a serious note, I find it tough to believe that the #10 team in the ODAC would routinely be within 7-10 points of any top tier team in the nation.  Perhaps you can offer a little more insight into that claim.

jdean-
If and when your football season ends, just keep repeating "Only _____ more months 'til kickoff."  Remember that Mount usually plays JCU pretty tough, so 70-0 is unlikely.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 28, 2005, 07:57:01 pm
I don't know if Toph or any other JCU fans could respond, but apparantly the printed version of the JCU Basketball schedule has John Carroll misspelled on it.  I haven't seen it so I have no idea how they misspelled it.  But, not to worry, Mike Trivisonno let everyone in Northeast Ohio and Southern Canada know about the minor goof this afternoon on his radio show! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 29, 2005, 02:09:53 pm
SF-
Although I missed the show, I heard about the mistake from a few friends.  Unfortunately, I have not seen a hard copy of the b-ball schedule yet, so I can't tell you how it was spelled.  I do know that for whatever reason spelling John Carroll correctly is apparently harder than astrophysics.  In my 3 and 1/2 years at the school I've seen it spelled the following ways:
John Carroll
John Caroll
John Carrol
John Carol
Jon  (all of the various Carroll spellings).


I hope that the error falls on the printer, not on the school (a school should be able to spell it's own name, right?)...I'll see if I can get a copy of the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 29, 2005, 02:18:33 pm
I hope that the error falls on the printer, not on the school (a school should be able to spell it's own name, right?)...I'll see if I can get a copy of the schedule.

Yeah, that would be my thoughts as well. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 29, 2005, 10:26:30 pm

I hope that the error falls on the printer, not on the school (a school should be able to spell it's own name, right?)...I'll see if I can get a copy of the schedule.

The Democrats are blaming the error on Karl Rove. The Republicans are blaming the Hollywood liberal elitists. The OAC commissioner is calling for an investigation. Mount Union's football team was heard to say in unison "they can't spell any better than they play."

Not one who usually goes to the defense of JCU (after 70-0 ...
,OK he's had enough of that) I'm amused by the criticism of their style of play. As if there is only one way to play the game? They aren't thugs--I've seen and played thugs and they aren't close. Aggressive yes. If you're used to watching women's basketball or ballet I guess JCU's style would rub you the wrong way.
If you've seen their coach several times you'd appreciate his academy nominated performances with the refs. When they'd come to Alliance I'd sit in the stands and wait for his first disagreement with a call. If you have a sense of humor like mine his tantrums are really fun to watch. Effective? I don't think so but its his style and he hasn't been shot yet---yet.
It really pains me to say that JCU b-ball is successful but that is a fact. Call them as many names as you want. If the stripes don't blow the whistles then all those fouls everyone alleges must have been imaginary.
OK Toph, I'll settle for 70-10. And I'm reducing my Wilmington web address bid to $.20.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 30, 2005, 11:41:52 am
jdean-
Yet another fantastic post.  I see that your basketball boys in purple aren't sharing the same success as the footballers.  I hope you celebrated that first win.  Hopefully they can get things turned around heading into the conference schedule. 

By the way, being the intelligent businessman that I am, I've also purchased www.mtunionbasketball.com in hopes that it will one day explode (perhaps Ric may be interested? ;))

I couldn't agree more about your comments about JCU (although it doesn't pain me to say that they are successful).  Perhaps a final note about Coach Moran:  When watching a coach with the style of...shall I say, negotiating...with the referees like Moran has, you have to sit back and enjoy the show.  The students at Carroll love it, the radio broadcasts are filled with "Mike Moran clothing updates," and even the band got into the act, having "Be Like Mike Night" where they all dressed in a shirt and tie, mimicking every "change in apparel" that Moran made.  You can't argue with his success as coach.  He's gotten his players to buy into the platoon system, and they're now battling for the OAC crown virtually year in and year out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 30, 2005, 07:37:54 pm
John Carroll's all sports broadcast schedule available: 
http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/Athletics/varsity/news/internet_broadcast.htm

One note, WJCU will broadcast the women's game at Wilmington on the 3rd as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 30, 2005, 09:17:22 pm
What great timing. I just came here to talk about all the smut and filth on TV and radio and what do I see but a
promotion for the Howard Stern of college B-ball. And the school allows them to do women's games too????

By the way, Toph, if you'd like to continue your broad-casting career I heard there was an opening for a color guy covering the Havana hockey franchise. All the black beans you can eat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jf714 on November 30, 2005, 09:34:38 pm
The students at Carroll love it, the radio broadcasts are filled with "Mike Moran clothing updates," and even the band got into the act, having "Be Like Mike Night" where they all dressed in a shirt and tie, mimicking every "change in apparel" that Moran made.  You can't argue with his success as coach.  He's gotten his players to buy into the platoon system, and they're now battling for the OAC crown virtually year in and year out.

As a former manager at JCU from the early years of the Moran regime, I can attest that Coach Moran has NEVER worn a sportcoat for more than the first minute of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 01, 2005, 08:59:22 am
Howard Stern of broadcast radio?  I wish WJCU could have that many listeners. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 03, 2005, 08:39:50 pm
The Raiders didn't disappoint on the turf but they did on the hardwood, taking a dive at Ada 89-63. Oh what a long season this will be.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 04, 2005, 01:28:20 pm
From what I heard, the football game was excellent.  JCUers were winners on Saturday 82-67.  Roggenburk had 31 points.  Pete Moran continued his solid year, pouring in 17. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on December 04, 2005, 11:30:06 pm
Not much talk after the first night of games in the OAC. There were a couple of games of interest in the early going though. Any time you can get a road win in the OAC it's like gold. The wins by Muskie and BW on the road were quite impressive. The fish beat the second rated Cap on their home deck in what I hear was typical Muskie fashion-hang around til the end and somehow come up with a win. Looks like Coach Ford might have something going there. Even more impressive might be BW's win over Ott. Not so much that they beat them but by the margin of victory. Of course it is only one game but I heard that the Jackets were up by as much as 30 in part of the game. Any comments on either of these road wins?  And why isn't BW playing this Wed. and ONU is playing Defiance. Everybody else is playing in the league.  Any thoughts on how many losses you think the OAC champ will have this year? Looks like it might be a pretty balanced title race. Could the regular season champ have as many as 5 losses this year, maybe 6?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 04, 2005, 11:58:46 pm
bouncer1-
I think it's a pretty fair assessment that the OAC championship this year is going to be pretty tightly contested, no team really stands out.  I agree that a road win is a great thing.  I like Geno Ford, I think he will be a solid coach.  Personally, I think this season is going to be one of the most interesting regular seasons in years in the OAC...except for Mount Union  ;).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 05, 2005, 11:04:08 am
What's up with Cap so far this year?  Weren't they the preseason #2 in the OAC poll?  I wasn't really surprised by them losing to Witt, but the OWU win over Cap was a bit of a surprise to me and now they lose to Musky.  Looks to me as if they were a bit overrated.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 05, 2005, 06:19:57 pm
I have no response Toph--the truth hurts TOO much. Triv announced on the radio tonight that the paper had a story having the SID explaining the spelling problem. Seemed like a reasonable explanation so it must be a lie!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 05, 2005, 11:56:49 pm
All in good fun jdean, all in good fun.

I have a feeling Capital will get things together in time to give other teams fits.  It's interesting that no team really stands out in the OAC this year as a team that can run away with this thing...in fact, I don't think we can say with any certainty what three teams are going to be at the top of the conference come tournament time...or what order they would be in.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 06, 2005, 10:35:42 am
BW would certainly be at the top of my list right now.  But you are right Toph.  Next week, it could be another team that stands out.  It will definately be an entertaining season to watch how things play out in the OAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 06, 2005, 11:46:41 am
Hey, why is it that everyone on here only talks about JCU and BW...There are 8 more teams in this conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 06, 2005, 01:29:40 pm
Hey, why is it that everyone on here only talks about JCU and BW...There are 8 more teams in this conference.
And who would you like to talk about south?  My guess would be that it is because no supporters from any of the other 8 schools are choosing to come and join the discussion in here.

Actually, lately,  JCU's about the only team regularly discussed on here.  Jdean talks about MUC, but not really until the football season is done over in Alliance, so I would guess he'd like to stay away for another 2 weeks or so. ;)  Maybe, when and if a few teams start to assert themselves; i.e. Cap, or Ott, or ONU, etc;  then there might be some more discussion in here.  I'm just speaking from an outsiders perspective though, and that is what I've noticed seems to be the trend.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 06, 2005, 01:51:34 pm
south-
Just guessing from your name, I'd be willing to bet you're a Pioneer or a Quaker...but your email says Musky (we could have an entire conversation about whether Musky or Muskie is the appropriate singular form of Muskies...but I digress).  Right now JCU and BW are emerging as the best teams in the conference.  Talk up your fighting fish!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 06, 2005, 02:06:06 pm
I'm def. a muskie.  Guess the email gave it away.  I do believe Da Muskies beat the great JCU a few times last year.  All I'm saying is give em' some credit.  We have a new coach.....We are coming off a big win at Cap.  I think they will turn some heads this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 06, 2005, 02:56:55 pm
You're correct, the Muskies beat JCU in two games last year, although they lost the one that counted in OT.  You're also correct that Muskingum got a huge win against Capital, but if they shoot 24% from the field in the first half against most teams, they'll get buried.

One thing that stands out about the fish is that their starting five play a lot.  There are only six guys who average better than 8 minutes a ball game.  How do you think that is going to affect them when they play teams like Etta and JCU who run up and down the floor, using their entire bench?

Also, Kent is my hometown, I know all about your new coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 06, 2005, 03:06:05 pm
First off, the defense will be there when they need it.  Different coach, same mentality.  I played for coach Burson and know coach Ford well.  I know they both believe in strong defense.  There is no more princeton O, but I believe that the new offense that we run can off set some of the teams that run up and down the floor.  I;m excited to see how the Ford Era goes his first year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 06, 2005, 03:14:45 pm
Who has the best facility in the OAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 06, 2005, 06:16:33 pm
I haven't seen BW's since they renovated, but Capital and JCU immediately come to mind.

How about JCU dropping out from #21 after winning their only game this week?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 06, 2005, 06:31:04 pm
There must have still been a few aftershocks to go around after that 30 point loss @ Rochester. ??? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 07, 2005, 11:39:12 am
What does the slate of games look like for tonite and Sat. ?  I'm a little out of the OAC loop being down in Miami.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 07, 2005, 11:52:36 am
JCU vs. Berg
Etta vs. Cap
Mount vs. Muskie
Wilmington vs. Ott
Defiance at ONU

OAC.org has all the sports schedules.  We'll see if jdean's boys can take down the fighting fish on the road.

Saturday
Muskie vs. BW-there will be a big test for the fish.
Ott vs. JCU
ONU vs. Etta
Berg vs. Wilmington
Capital vs. Mount in the battle of the purples
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 07, 2005, 01:35:18 pm
Here are my picks for tonite:

JCU over BERG: Too powerful
ETTA over CAP:  Fun and Gun prevails
Muskie over MOUNT: Keep it rollin'
OTT over WILMINGTON: Reynolds wins
ONU over Defiance: Don't know much about Defiance, but Coleman will have the troops ready
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on December 07, 2005, 03:31:44 pm
I wouldn't mind discussing Otterbein basketball, but one reason I haven't logged on in a while is that I couldn't figure out this new format, and the other reason is that right now, the Cards stink! I will be supportive of the program (I have ever since 1984, and if you knoe their history, the 1987-88 team went 1-26). I do believe they are better than that. They have some talent, although they are very young. I hope they can pull it out against the Quakers tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 08, 2005, 12:09:10 am
Southofoac
You lost to MUC????you really lost????no misprint?? They took down the fish on the road? Woe is you.

Mount has a lonely home game against Cap this Saturday after a great (hopefully) football game. I'm hoping Cap's basketball team is rebuilding so Mount has a chance of staying within 10 pts.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 08, 2005, 09:18:31 am
jdean-
See?  There is hope for everyone!  ;)

JCU beat Heidelberg 92-90 in OT.  Looks like the Student 'Berg shot the lights out, especially in the first half.  According to the release on jcu.edu the Student 'Berg led for most of the game.  Pete Moran had yet another great game.  He seems to really be stepping up to replace Koch and Grogan.  I'm looking forward to FINNALY getting to see these guys play a game on Saturday, although I have enjoyed watching the ladies play as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on December 08, 2005, 09:54:43 am
Akron (3-1), with its entire roster seemingly scoring at will, added several entries to the school record book Wednesday night with an overwhelming, 123-52 victory over Division III Denison (Akron Beacon Journal 12/8)

Makes me proud Mount stayed within 30 and was still in the game at halftime last year or the year before when they played Akron.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 08, 2005, 10:45:29 am
jdean

The guy that hit the game winner had 5 points all nite.  Could have went either way.  Looks like Ross was shut down from the box score, but that won't happen too often.  He's a resiliant kid and will be ready for BW on SAT.  Go FIsh!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on December 08, 2005, 07:17:09 pm
I took in the Berg/JCU game last night. Great game! No doubt the Berg should have won the game. Outplayed JCU for 44:59. Just not enough. Berg was hot in the first half and just could not close the game out late. Could not get a bucket being up 84-80 with a minute to play in regulation and up 89-84 in OT.

Good to see things havent changed. All those who complain about JCU players crying and acting like idoits I now know where they get it. Not once, but twice the same  JCU parent walked in front of the Heidelberg bench, yes in front, and said something to the coach. The first time he ran in front and ended up at the scorers table telling them to stop the clock. Because the clock guy forget to stop the clock, a fixable error. The second time this a-hole parent walked in front of the bench late in the second half and told coach Duane Sheldon "you are terrible". Classless!

 A good game nonetheless. Berg started 5 sophomores and if it werent for a the 30-year old on JCU Berg wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 08, 2005, 09:48:10 pm
I believe that Pete Moran is 25, and in good standing with the NCAA.  Who is classless?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 08, 2005, 10:24:01 pm
I'd also like to add, is there ever really "no doubt" that a team that turned the ball over 22 times should win a game?  22...and there's "no doubt?"
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on December 08, 2005, 10:57:52 pm
Classeless is a 55-65 year old "Dad" walking in front of the bench of a team and saying things to the coach and scoretable. If you were their Toph, you would have known that Heidelberg outplayed JCU, regardless of the 22 TO's. Guarantee you ask anybody on your team, they will say they snuck out of Tiffin with a W.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on December 08, 2005, 10:59:34 pm
And oh yeah....25 years old my ass. Tried getting into JCU since 1998, maybe 1997.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 08, 2005, 11:50:19 pm
First, it is not my team, I am not on the team. 

Second, outplayed or not, you turn the ball over 22 times, you're going to have a hard time winning. 

Third, you just proved my point about Pete's age.  A typical graduating high school senior is 18.  What's 18 plus seven? 

Fourth, if I had been their [sic], I would never say that a team should've won when they lost.  If a team should've won, they would've won. 

Fifth, since it is "classless" for a parent (assuming he was a parent) to make inappropriate remarks to the another team's head coach and scorer's table (by the way, I agree), when does it become "classy" to do the same on an internet forum?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 09, 2005, 11:15:37 am
southern man-
I just took another look at your picks from Wednesday.  I hope you didn't put any money on a few of those! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: reality check on December 09, 2005, 11:32:56 pm
Toph

You have almost as many friends in here as you do in the football forum  ;).  I have never posted on the hoops side but wanted to see if there was any talk about ONU's quick start.  I see that's not the case so I will make my way back over to the football page...  Good luck guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on December 10, 2005, 11:55:08 am
Pete Moran will be the second oldest on the court today. Kevin King of Otterbein is 28. I predict JCU wins by 35, but this is why you play the game. Go Cards!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on December 10, 2005, 03:10:11 pm
Toph-

I saw that the JCU Soccer coach resigned his position effective immediately to pursue other career oportunities......That usually means one thing.....he got a gig somewhere else!  Whats the word on the street for his next coaching location?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on December 10, 2005, 05:29:05 pm
I just saw the score, and JCU beat the Cards 83 to 81. So much for my prediction, but like I said, this is why you play the game. Go figure. Any one (toph) care to share some insights on the game???

Also, I don't know if wobnsports still posts in this forum, but if he's around, why does 101.5 WOBN seem to broadcast only Otterbein women?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 10, 2005, 06:20:24 pm
fish-
I heard about the resignation, but I have no insight to offer.  Check d3soccer.com  ;D.

All-
I thought going in that this game would be more competitive than it seemed.  Otterbein was just as I have come to expect, disciplined (for the most part, it was clear that JCU's pressure bothered them), and very well coached.  Personally, I have a great deal of respect for Dick Reynolds.  Banazak and Co. missed a few key free throws here and there, but they won nearly every statistical category except TO's.  Also, I thought Tommy Young played extremely well, especially in the first half.  Ousley was shut out, and fouled out, as did King.  Otter had no answer for Pete Moran (he had 23), and once the big guys were gone he could penetrate with ease.  Derek Smith looked fairly good as well.  It was a great game, and both teams played hard.  Otterbein did not look like a team that would get blown out by Wilmington to me!

And johnworms, WJCU carried the game today. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 10, 2005, 08:49:06 pm
Good news and better. The better news? The football team won. I know, its old news.
The good news--I saw the Mount men play tonight. They've got a lot of kids (literally) playing and they aren't too bad. The youngsters don't have any bulk or height, but they are quick. Could have a bunch of good guards developing. As to Cap--they are big and there are lots of them. A couple of them play like hockey enforcers, with little finesse and bad hands. Mount was down 1 with 24 secs, worked it into Karpinski with 10 and Cap knocked the ball OOB. Mount couldn't knock down the winner. Losing by one was a tough loss but Mount actually played a good game.
Look out  JCU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 13, 2005, 08:49:00 pm
jdean-
JCU is looking at RC's Bears right now.  Hopefully they'll have the same success that the football team had against the team from Ada.  Let's not forget the CSU game is coming up as well from the game against the Vikings of CSU coming up as well.  Great tickets still available...by the way.  The Mounties will get their shot, and then you too can complain about the officiating that Carroll always seems to get against whoever they play.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 14, 2005, 10:28:52 am
As to Cap--they are big and there are lots of them. A couple of them play like hockey enforcers, with little finesse and bad hands.

Isn't that a proper description of Cap every year??? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on December 14, 2005, 10:28:36 pm
BW looks they are off to their usual start. Big win on the road in Ada, on a cold, cold Weds. night in the OAC. Tough to do.

Saw them vs Muskie on Sat. They play very uptempo, suprised to see the score of 67-65 tonight. BW goes to the line 23 times to ONU's 8?

BW/CAP line for Saturday is BW -7.5, o/u 157. Double Tori Davis looks like the way to go, but they have great shooters. Just have to hope they are off from the field. Doesn't usually happen in the Banky Center.



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 15, 2005, 10:07:35 am
It'll be interesting to see how ONU rebounds at JCU.  Talk about a tough week for the Bears on the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 15, 2005, 10:45:36 am
It'll be interesting to see how ONU rebounds at JCU. Talk about a tough week for the Bears on the schedule.

Tough week could be an understatement.  ONU gets to travel down to Springfield to take on #3 Wittenberg after their date @ JCU.  I had brought up ONU on the "Top 25" board as a team that was still hard to get a handle on.  They had almost cracked this week's Top 25, but after this week, they could be lucky to still be in the "Others receiving votes" category.  They were undefeated until last night and they had been winning handily.  But, at the same time, they hadn't really played anybody, until last night.  They could easily go from being undefeated, to having 3 losses by this time next week.

BTW, that was a nice win for the Yellow Jackets on the road in Ada.  That Wooster-BW game is shaping up to be quite a dandy in the opener of the Mose Hole Classic on the 29th!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 15, 2005, 11:26:34 am
SF-
I'm not counting out an ONU win in U-Heights yet.  Unfortunately I won't be able to make it to that one though. 
Remember, winning in Springfield's not so tough.  JCU has proved that over the past two years.   ;)

Seriously though, now is a good time to find out if the Bears are for real.  If they play these three games tough (including that loss to BW), I don't think they have anything to hang their heads about.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 15, 2005, 12:07:07 pm
Toph,

I know ONU could just as easily win @ JCU and @ Witt, I was just speaking hypothetically about ONU having 3 losses basically because they are still relatively unproven.

Remember, winning in Springfield's not so tough. JCU has proved that over the past two years. ;)
You are right about that.  JCU certainly enjoys the friendly confines of the HPER and Wooster has more wins over Witt the past few years in Springfield than they do in Timken?! ???  Go figure I guess.

I also agree that, even if the Bears were to lose all three, if they played JCU and Witt as tough as they did BW last night, I think we could all agree that they are a very good basketball team.  They did have 3 chances to win last night in the final minute as three 3-point attempts were missed by ONU that would have given the Bears the win.  It remains to be seen as to how ONU rebounds from this loss as they prepare for another top 25 opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 15, 2005, 06:19:07 pm
So since the Scots won at home this year, does that mean they pull out the big W and go 2-0 in the regular season series at Witt?  Either way, it doesn't really matter, barring a major, major surprise, the two teams will meet in the NCAC final and both will go to the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 16, 2005, 11:03:07 am
Either way, it doesn't really matter, barring a major, major surprise, the two teams will meet in the NCAC final and both will go to the playoffs.
You are correct about that.  And if it wasn't for JCU the past couple of seasons (and Albion last year) a 4th Wooster-Wittenberg matchup could have been possible.  You guys seem to like crashing the party. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 17, 2005, 11:48:53 pm
SF-
I'm not counting out an ONU win in U-Heights yet. Unfortunately I won't be able to make it to that one though.
Remember, winning in Springfield's not so tough. JCU has proved that over the past two years. ;)

Seriously though, now is a good time to find out if the Bears are for real. If they play these three games tough (including that loss to BW), I don't think they have anything to hang their heads about.
Toph,

It looks  like it was a good thing you weren't able to attend today's game, although it  was obviosly one of those instant classics as they like to refer to them on "The Network."  I'd say the Bears did a lot today to prove that they are for real.  Two down and one to go for ONU.  We should definately get a good measuring stick as to how the best of the NCAC stack up against the best of the OAC on Wednesday given the fact that Wooster and Wittenberg met already and ONU is coming off of back to back games against 2 of the favorites in the OAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on December 18, 2005, 12:03:56 am
What happened in OT that it ended so lopsided? Other then the final it sounded like a pretty good game. Took in the Mighty Berg' vs. The Hott Pink an Black Fish today. 'Berg wouldnt be too bad if they didnt turn it over every other possession. Teams like musky live off that with the offense they run an were up 30 at one point but went about 2 of 30 from the free throw line down the stretch to make the final only 10. Todd wasnt very impressive but i've heard he can light it up pretty good. No more OAC games till Jan 4th, first couple is such a tease i was just getting into it, shaping up like a good race so far cant wait for the finish.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 18, 2005, 07:41:38 am
jdean-
 The Mounties will get their shot, and then you too can complain about the officiating that Carroll always seems to get against whoever they play.   ;)

I've seen some bad crews, so bad you'd think they have to on the take or blind. But the only place I know of that has a reputation for "home" officiating is St Ignatius H.S. in Cleve. I've heard of basketball coaches saying the calls are so bad there they swear the HS is borrowing clergy from the church, taking their collars off and putting stripe shirts on and telling them to win one for the Gipper!
I have little problem with OAC officiating.  They make some great calls and make a few bad calls and miss a few--they're human. The big thing to me is that they be consistent on both ends, through the entire game. So I have no beef with the stripes at JCU.

In case you basketball fans were studying for finals between the basketball games and haven't heard any recent news, I'd like you to take time out, get on your knees and bow a couple times while chanting: Mount Union football rules the world.

In case I don't post here in the next week, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 18, 2005, 10:19:05 am
First off, great game in Salem yesterday for the Purple Raiders.  It was the most pumped up I'd ever seen the students for a Stagg Bowl, and I've been to four. 

Secondly, and please don't believe that I am trying to make excuses.  I am not entirely surprised that ONU beat JCU.  First because they look like a good basketball team.  But I am not sure that the team's hearts were totally in the game.  Edward Moran, Coach Mike Moran's father, passed away on the 15th.  I do not, however, want to take anything away from Northern's big win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on December 21, 2005, 11:13:19 pm
Last week in this forum, I predicted Otterbein to lose by 30 to John Carroll, and they nearly pulled off the upset against the Streaks. This week, I predict that the Cardinals will shock the nation and upset #3 Wittenberg in Springfield. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 22, 2005, 03:21:18 pm
They'll probably lose by 30 now.

By the way, with one upset over a DI opponent already in the books, will Carroll do the same tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2005, 09:46:28 pm
They'll probably lose by 30 now.

By the way, with one upset over a DI opponent already in the books, will Carroll do the same tonight?

Toph, sorry to pick on you, but I already called out Pat Coleman on this, so feel honored! ;)

UPS winning was NOT an upset.  We should get over this mindset that ANY d3 win over ANY d1 team is an upset!  UPS was BETTER than bottom-dweller Riverside!  In fact, Riverside is so bad that  ANY d3 team worthy of top 25 consideration should beat them.

By objective standards, IWU should be favored over nearly 50% of d1 teams.

We (collective 'we') have a sense that d1 is AUTOMATICALLY better than d2, and d3 is AUTOMATICALLY worse than d1 or d2.  Folks, it AIN'T true!  On AVERAGE, of course it is true - IWU is not about to beat Duke.  But IWU would beat quite a few d1s (including Illinois State, one mile up the road, if they had the guts to play us), and there are MANY d3s who would be favored over many d2s, and some d3s who would be favored over some d1s.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2005, 11:44:22 am
Since the average annual D3/D1 record is about 1-43, we should be happy for what we get and play it up when we can.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 23, 2005, 09:49:42 pm
They'll probably lose by 30 now.

By the way, with one upset over a DI opponent already in the books, will Carroll do the same tonight?

I see JCU lost a heartbreaker to Cleve St. I think they've decided to save all their energy for the 1-18-06 showdown!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 24, 2005, 09:49:26 am
JCU shot the ball terribly, but were only down 11 at half.  The strangest thing was that they were getting open looks, the shots just weren't falling.  Cleveland State was able to outmuscle the much smaller Streaks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 30, 2005, 12:36:15 pm
Congrats to BW beating Wooster!  Unfortunately JCU couldn't pull off the upset as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 30, 2005, 08:18:42 pm
Congrats to BW beating Wooster! 

Its amazing that Wooster almost pulled off a huge upset.

Getting back to the real world, Mount is showing great improvement--they lost their first game by 20 but it took OT to lose the 2nd game by ten. The good news for Mount is the schedule lightens up this week---They get BW Weds night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on December 30, 2005, 10:37:18 pm
 

Nice win by Otterbein tonight. Down 48-35 at the half to Ohio Weslyan, they continued to chip away and finally took the lead with about 90 seconds left. Final score was 84-78, but it was essentially a one-possesion game. Fifth straight "o-club Classic" championship and their overall record now stands at 5-6 after winning three of their last four.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 01, 2006, 12:43:41 pm
Happy New Year to all.  Can't wait to get the OAC schedule started again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 05, 2006, 06:10:01 pm
How about Wilmington taking down ONU at home?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 07, 2006, 05:25:42 pm
Mount beat one of the best teams from Tiffin today. They led by ten a good part of the game. The Berg made a run at them and brought it down to 4 but Mount held on and made some foul shoots. Karpinski dominated the 1H with 19 but the guards did their part in the 2H.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 08, 2006, 01:08:19 pm
How about Wilmington taking down ONU at home?
How about Wilmington taking down BW in Berea?  The Quakers have quietly come on as this week's OAC frontrunners.  Just when it looked like BW was going to run away with the OAC, Wilmington pulled a "Not so fast, my friend!"   ;)  I guess we can add the Quakers to the list of quality teams in the GL Region.  I had mentioned this on the MIAA board on how this region is as deep as I can remember.  I don't know how you would rank these teams, but for now here would be my GL Regional rankings:

1. Hope
2. Albion
3. Wittenberg
4. Wooster
5. Wilmington
6. B-W
7. CMU
8. ONU
9. JCU

This is just my opinion on how these teams stack up, but nonetheless, that is a pretty impressive list of teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 11:41:34 pm
OAC Baseball Message Board is up!

Join us! :)

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4198.0

(I am looking for a volunteer to help with the OAC board.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: devossed on January 10, 2006, 03:33:07 am
How about Wilmington taking down ONU at home?
How about Wilmington taking down BW in Berea?  The Quakers have quietly come on as this week's OAC frontrunners.  Just when it looked like BW was going to run away with the OAC, Wilmington pulled a "Not so fast, my friend!"   ;)  I guess we can add the Quakers to the list of quality teams in the GL Region.  I had mentioned this on the MIAA board on how this region is as deep as I can remember.  I don't know how you would rank these teams, but for now here would be my GL Regional rankings:

1. Hope
2. Albion
3. Wittenberg
4. Wooster
5. Wilmington
6. B-W
7. CMU
8. ONU
9. JCU

This is just my opinion on how these teams stack up, but nonetheless, that is a pretty impressive list of teams. 

I think it's about as accurate as you can be at this point--though as others have said you can take the top 1-4 and draw them out of a hat and be pretty close too...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 10, 2006, 03:02:01 pm
I am a little surprised that Wilmington beat BW, but everyone around the OAC always likes to say that its the best conference top to bottom. 

As for the SF regional rankings, I'd say it's pretty accurate, but I think the margin of separtion between the top 4 OAC schools is minimal.  Look at the losses of BW, ONU, Wilmington, and JCU:

BW:
Losses to Albion and Wilmington

ONU:
Losses to BW, Wittenberg, and Wilmington

Wilmington:
Loss to JCU

JCU:
Losses to Rochester, ONU, Cleveland State, and Hope

So far, that looks like a pretty strong strength of schedule (and I haven't even pointed out the wins against top opponents).  Should be a good one at the DeCarlo Varsity Center tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 11, 2006, 11:24:26 pm
Can't stand to see OAC the only site on GL with no post today so I thought I give everyone the news they've been waiting for--Mount beat Marietta by 6. Mount has managed to win the last couple games against two pretty bad teams. Any more out there?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 12, 2006, 11:53:04 am
Yet another flavor of the week falls!

Wilmington, who was this week's OAC flavor of the week fell last night to Musky?!  Need I remind anyone that Kenyon beat Musky???  BW looks to be back in the driver's seat after their dismantling of JCU.  Looks like they took out a bit of revenge for that Wilmington loss on the Blue Streaks.

I guess the Muskies' upset of the Quakers helps prove Toph's comment about the OAC being such a tough conference from top to bottom.  I still can't get it out of my head how Musky could lose to a team as bad as Kenyon and turn around and beat a good Wilmington team?!  Go figure, I guess??? :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 12, 2006, 12:59:37 pm
Kenyon has all those D1 transfers!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 12, 2006, 06:04:49 pm
That JCU/BW game was U-G-L-Y.  JCUers couldn't throw the ball in the ocean (7-35 in the 1st half), BW was extremely well prepared and executed very well.  Tori Davis took over in the second half.  Having seen a lot of JCU's games (and also being a little biased) I don't think the Streaks are as bad as their showing last night.  The Jackets played well and dominated.  We'll see if they stay in the driver's seat.  Don't forget, they have a game at Muskingum near the end of the year  ;).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 12, 2006, 06:58:53 pm
jdean-

By the way, looking at the final score, is it safe to say that the Pios have given up on the "Fun and Gun?"  Against JCU they settled into a 3-2 zone and tried to win in the halfcourt.  What's going on down south?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 12, 2006, 10:49:42 pm
Marietta was 29-52=55.8% from the floor and 14-30 in 3 pt FG against Mount.  If I was a coach I'd take that every day of the week. The problem appears to be 5-17 FT and 15 less bounds. Mount has been slowly improving its game, trying to get in a drivers seat like BW has so they can avoid the 0-70 on Jan 18.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 13, 2006, 01:03:28 pm
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Mount has been slowly improving its game, trying to get in a drivers seat like BW has so they can avoid the 0-70 on Jan 18.

Maybe the gentleman I see at every JCU basketball game decked out in a purple coat and matching hat can lend your boys a hand and show them what the Jackets did to dismantle the Catholics at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on January 14, 2006, 01:24:46 pm
Hey ScotsFan,
       I see what you are saying about Mucky losing to Kenyon earlier in the year, then coming back to knock off the Quakers. I suppose it is something like a 5-9 Otterbein squad beating the co-NCAC leader Ohio Weslyan a couple of weeks ago. Anything can happen on any given night.

I would say that the NCAC's two best teams, Witt and COW are better than the OAC's two best teams (BW and Wilmington) but top to bottom the OAC is much deeper IMO. I also look for BW to make quite a bit of noise in the NCAA tournament. Perhaps they could be the fourth team in the past 6 years to make it to the Final Four from the OAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on January 14, 2006, 02:56:10 pm
Otterbein holds off Capital 74-72!

The Cards go in to the Cap center today and barely protect a 10 point half-time lead when Ross Banaszak hits a runner with 11 seconds to go.

Way to go Cards!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 14, 2006, 06:02:17 pm
I am a little surprised that Wilmington beat BW, but everyone around the OAC always likes to say that its the best conference top to bottom. 

What's all this talk about Wilmington? They are SO bad Mount beat them today, 58-56. Mount has one win outside the conference but has four OAC wins--go figure. Coach has them peaking at just the right time--1-18.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 14, 2006, 06:23:44 pm

Maybe the gentleman I see at every JCU basketball game decked out in a purple coat and matching hat can lend your boys a hand and show them what the Jackets did to dismantle the Catholics at home.

Maybe that guy in purple should help the Streaks--lose to Muskie??? ONU and BW continue to be the class of the OAC with W's.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 15, 2006, 01:29:29 pm
Having seen a lot of JCU's games (and also being a little biased) I don't think the Streaks are as bad as their showing last night.  The Jackets played well and dominated. 

How about as bad as the Streaks showing last night at Musky? ::)  Things aren't looking so good up in University Heights right now...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on January 16, 2006, 09:37:37 am
First post on here.  ScotsFan, what Kenyon-Muskingum game are you talking about?  I believe the score that I read was Muskingum 85, Kenyon 66. 

Yet another flavor of the week falls!

Wilmington, who was this week's OAC flavor of the week fell last night to Musky?!  Need I remind anyone that Kenyon beat Musky???  BW looks to be back in the driver's seat after their dismantling of JCU.  Looks like they took out a bit of revenge for that Wilmington loss on the Blue Streaks.

I guess the Muskies' upset of the Quakers helps prove Toph's comment about the OAC being such a tough conference from top to bottom.  I still can't get it out of my head how Musky could lose to a team as bad as Kenyon and turn around and beat a good Wilmington team?!  Go figure, I guess??? :P

I do believe the OAC is down this year.  Lots of young talent.  I think the league is a year away from having 3 or 4 great teams along with 3 or 4 good teams. 

If you were trying to bash Wilmington and John Carroll,  I do not get your point.  Muskingum has had some very good wins this year.  I am not a Muskingum fan, but have seen them play and think they are a solid team. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 16, 2006, 10:40:27 am
First post on here.  ScotsFan, what Kenyon-Muskingum game are you talking about?  I believe the score that I read was Muskingum 85, Kenyon 66. 
Firstly, you are correct, it wasn't Kenyon that beat Musky, it was Denison.  My bad.  Desison isn't much better than Kenyon for what it's worth.

I do believe the OAC is down this year. Lots of young talent. I think the league is a year away from having 3 or 4 great teams along with 3 or 4 good teams.

If you were trying to bash Wilmington and John Carroll, I do not get your point. Muskingum has had some very good wins this year. I am not a Muskingum fan, but have seen them play and think they are a solid team.

Secondly, I was not trying to bash anyone.  Try reading my entire post next time.  I actually gave props to the OAC for being such a tough conference top to bottom!  I was also just commenting on how many different teams could be considered contenders.  B-W and JCU were at the top to start the year.  JCU has since fallen.  ONU came on over the holidays and Wilmington has since made a push, but have since given the front-runner position back to B-W.  I really can't see how you construe that as bashing?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on January 16, 2006, 05:13:44 pm
ScotsFan,

Sorry if I took your comments the wrong way.  It just seemed like you wanted to get into the NCAC/OAC arguement by downplaying the seasons of Wilmington and JCU because they lost to Muskingum, who you said lost to Kenyon.  If not no problem.  I get sick of reading and hearing that arguement.  I have seen Muskingum, ONU, JCU, Capital, Otterbein, Denison, and Wittenberg play this year.  I am going to try and see the Wooster/Witt game later this year.  I think by the end of the year, ONU will be a very dangerous team to deal with.  Wittenberg is very good.  I haven't seen Wooster for a couple of years, but I know they have a good team and can't wait to see them.  I am also going to try and see BW some time.  With the MIAA teams, and whoever else makes it in, it will be a challenging region.  Luckily Stevens Point graduated most of their team.  Someone else will have a shot.  When they were playing well, very few teams were going to challenge them. 

Again, sorry if I took your comments the wrong way.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 17, 2006, 10:24:04 am
Hopefully the Streaks can rebound against Mount at home.  My prediction for a final score...72-0, with an alley oop with .1 seconds left on the clock to finish the scoring. 






Of course I'm kidding.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: tyrone on January 17, 2006, 12:10:35 pm
Hopefully the Streaks can rebound against Mount at home.  My prediction for a final score...72-0, with an alley oop with .1 seconds left on the clock to finish the scoring. 
Of course I'm kidding.

Sounds like a Mount football score.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 17, 2006, 03:38:25 pm
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Sounds like a Mount football score.

Really?  I had no idea.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 17, 2006, 06:36:45 pm
Hopefully the Streaks can rebound against Mount at home.  My prediction for a final score...72-0, with an alley oop with .1 seconds left on the clock to finish the scoring. 

ONLY
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 17, 2006, 06:39:46 pm
DAMN FINGERS CAN'T HIT THE RIGHT KEYS. Try again.

ONLY if you borrow the Bridgewater--Rowan football timekeeper. Otherwise, the buzzer will have BZZZZZd
and the game would be over 70-0.

The reality is, the way the Streaks have been playing you should be happy if its 70-69.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 17, 2006, 07:09:20 pm
c-bus,

No problem.  Unless you're talking CCIW or WIAC, I think you'd be fighting an uphill battle when trying to argue a tougher conference than the OAC, top to bottom that is.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 17, 2006, 07:32:12 pm
Quote
The reality is, the way the Streaks have been playing you should be happy if its 70-69.

I agree.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 17, 2006, 07:51:54 pm
The reality is, the way the Streaks have been playing you should be happy if its 70-69.
Not to mention the fact that MUC is on a three game tear and they have been playing some pretty good ball lately as well.  Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see MUC come out on top with the upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 19, 2006, 10:25:58 am
Streaks rebound nicely with a big win.  Is Muskingum the new Wilmington?  What a wild a crazy year it's been so far.  Should be a very entertaining tournament if this keeps up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 19, 2006, 11:24:18 pm
Nice win Toph. I read in the paper today that Mount actually sent the womens team to play the men at JCU.  But that's OK--we don't want to take anything away from your guys excellent game. I was disappointed that dispite the margin, it wasn't 70-0. GO MUSKY
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 22, 2006, 01:13:26 pm
Looks like Wilmington may have officially come back down to earth. 

Etta stayed with JCU (actually leading for much of the first half).  Unfortunately for the Pios, they were blown out of the water in the second.

Musky loses to Otterbein....it seems like the only consistent team in the conference this year is BW.  Big one on Wednesday as the Blue Streaks look to take revenge on the brown and gold.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2006, 06:30:55 pm
Just a reminder that D3hoops.com's Mark Simon is in Ohio to broadcast the Baldwin-Wallace/John Carroll game. Pregame show at 7:15 ET on Broadcastmonsters.com.

http://www.broadcastmonsters.com/d3football/d3basketball012506-1.asx
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2006, 10:29:52 pm
Has anyone else noticed that both the men's and women's teams at Baldwin-Wallace are 16-2 and ranked #8 in their respective polls?  Some coincidence! :o  I didn't notice this until I read on the front page of this site that #8 Baldwin-Wallace beat John Carroll for the 29th consecutive time.  I figured there was no possible way that could be true of the men, and of course, it isn't.  It's the women with this dominance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 27, 2006, 03:45:34 pm
Just a note, the JCU/Muskingum men's game tomorrow has been postponed.  No make up date has been announced.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 27, 2006, 04:57:17 pm
Forgot the link.  More info:  http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/Athletics/varsity/index.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 27, 2006, 09:35:14 pm
My condolences to Coach Moran and his family.   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 27, 2006, 09:45:42 pm
Sad news for the Moran family, my condolences as well.  I
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 31, 2006, 06:50:41 pm
JCU/Muskingum has been rescheduled to Monday, Feb. 6th at 7 PM.

jdean-
Nothing to say before the JCU/Mount game?  I'm shocked! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 01, 2006, 01:04:29 pm
Haven't been here for awhile--MUC's play has given me no reason to post.
Sorry to hear about the loss in the Moran family. No matter how old you are, no matter how old she is--its always tough to accept.
I may stroll over to the game tonight. If I go, I'll be the one with the bushel basket nearest the stripes. If it will help I'll let some JCU players dip into the basket!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 01, 2006, 02:31:00 pm
I hope you don't have any luck with that tonight :D.

I'll be in UHeights for the women's game tonight, hopefully it'll be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 01, 2006, 06:08:11 pm
Mount is so bad they don't even merit JCU radio coverage?

Pay attention to two of the women--Williams can be beast under the hoop and Hogan is a whirling dervish (there's one I haven't used for awhile) on defense, great hands.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 01, 2006, 06:26:46 pm
Equal rep for the men and women, until the postseason, then it's usually just the men.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on February 01, 2006, 09:20:48 pm
ONU 70 Muskies 66
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 01, 2006, 10:40:07 pm
Toph:
This has to be a first. I wrote the game summary worthy of publication in SI--the session timed out and I lost everything. Started over again, this one worthy of Mad magazine--session times out and lost another one.
So excuse the brevity. 16-4 early because of the press, Mount fought back to 18-16 deficit and 30-30 half. JCU pulled away by ten most of the 2nd half. Briefly had it to 17 but Mount brought it back to ten. Coach Jr had a T in the 1H--that got the coach to loosen his tie. Both coaches were on the stripes.
Not a very impressive performance by the Streaks, but they won. Hope your game was better to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2006, 10:56:09 pm
When you log in, hit the check box to "always stay logged in."
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 02, 2006, 10:28:31 am
It seems like the father and son duo is racking up more technical fouls than usual this year.  JCU has never been very good winning in impressive fashion, but they do win ugly...a lot.  I hope they can go on a little run here leading up to the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 08, 2006, 12:28:12 am
The first set of regional rankings comes out tomorrow.  We're never quite certain what hocus pocus is applied by the regional committee, but it seems that the only important factors in determining which teams get ranked are the regional winning percentage and the QoWI.  From there, they use head-to-head and records against other ranked teams to break ties. 

Along those lines, here's the 8 Great Lakes teams that have win %s at .800 or above, ranked by their regional records:

Team--Reg. rec.--Reg. %--QoWI--(national ranking in QoWI)
1. Wooster 16-1 .941 10.706 (14)
2. Hope 12-1 .923 10.615 (16)
3. Baldwin-Wallace 17-2 .895 10.526 (18)
4t. Wittenberg 14-2 .875 10.500 (19)
4t. Calvin 7-1 .875 9.625 (48)
6. Carnegie Mellon 13-2 .867 11.000 (9)
7. Lake Erie 13-3 .813 9.438 (61)
8. Albion 8-2 .800 9.900 (36)

If I had to guess, I'd guess that the rankings come out like this:
1. Wooster
2. Hope
3. CMU
4. Baldwin-Wallace
5. Wittenberg
6. Calvin

The top 100 national teams in terms of QoWI have been posted by Pat Coleman in the QoWI Chat room (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2910.90).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2006, 12:15:22 am
...and that in fact is how the rankings have materialized.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 10, 2006, 08:16:53 pm
Updated (thru games of Thursday 2/9) QoWIs for GL teams (source: Pat Coleman, QoWI Board, Multi-Region Topics (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2910.105)):

1 (7 overall) Carnegie Mellon    11.000    13-2 (regional record)
2 (13) Wittenberg    10.765    15-2
3 (18) Wooster    10.556    17-1
4 (21) Hope    10.500    12-2
5 (23) Baldwin-Wallace    10.400    18-2
6 (29) Calvin    10.111    8-1
7 (45) Albion    9.727    9-2
8 (48) Lake Erie    9.706    14-3
9 (74) Wilmington    9.273    16-6
10 (75) Bethany    9.250    16-4
11 (78) Muskingum    9.158    13-6
12 (92) Ohio Northern    9.000    12-5
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on February 12, 2006, 11:53:17 pm
Has anyone had the pleasure of watching Baldwin Wallace play a game this year?  I had the chance last week against Mount-and even though the first half was a struggle-what a second half. They move the ball so well they can get a good shot almost every time down the floor. And Tori Davis is a great player!!!  Not news to many.  But there are many pieces of the puzzle on that team. Great passing and unselfishness.  But they are not very big. How do they do it night after night? In the OAC, to have only one loss to this point is quite an accomplishment. Would like to see them against ONU this week-should be a good game. Hopefully no letdown for BW after clinching it on Sat.  What has happened to JCU? I believe both polls picked them to finish first at the beginning of the season. I know P. Moran is out lately but they were already in a tailspin before that.  Any thoughts? Does anyone else get in the NCAA tourney from the OAC if BW wins out? What if BW doesn't win the tourney, do they still get in?  Thoughts about that??  Just food for thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on February 13, 2006, 12:07:59 am
I saw the BW-Wooster game earlier in the year and was very impressed with BW.  Davis was patient and smart inside, took what was given to him, and scored around 42.  The other guys, who looked more like football guards than basketball guards, were able to get to the basket and finish and hit from the outside.

The game was a battle of titans, neither team really able to stop each other, with BW of course winning in the second overtime.  I'm not looking forward to seeing Wooster play them again, even though I believe Wooster is a bit stronger now than earlier, because I suspect that BW is also.  I'd be interested in seeing a BW-Wittenberg matchup, to see how Davis fared against Russ and Borchers.  Also, it would knock one of them out of the tournament...  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2006, 12:59:49 am
Has anyone had the pleasure of watching Baldwin Wallace play a game this year?  [...] In the OAC, to have only one loss to this point is quite an accomplishment.

It certainly is, and it's one that has gone somewhat unnoticed.  (It's been noticed by the pollsters, who have B-W ranked very highly.)  The OAC is one of the top D3 conferences, and like the other top circuits (WIAC, CCIW, NJAC, UAA), OAC teams usually suffer from the conference's strength.  John Carroll has won the last two years with four losses each year, and in '02-'03, JCU and Capital split the title with three losses.  The OAC may even be deeper this year, with the emergence of Muskingum and Wilmington, than in those years.  For B-W to win 15 of their first sixteen games in this conference is incredible.  They should be a major threat in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on February 13, 2006, 01:19:01 pm
I just happened to be looking at the scores of some of the in region teams yesterday and came upon the John Carroll boxscore.  I was a little surprised to see them get beat so baddly by Otterbein but I was even more surprised to see that Pete Moran did not play at all.  Does anyone have any info on this?  Is he hurt? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 13, 2006, 04:52:04 pm
BW is now ranked #3 in the country and finally Bankson has a gotten a OAC Regular Season Championship. 15-1 with two games to go in the OAC is great and 21-2 is one of the best teams ever at BW!

I do they think BW can score with anybody in the country. If they do play the likes of Wittenberg or Wooster (saying the make the NCAA's) I am worried about the height of those teams. 6-5 to 6-7 three guards may hurt them. Although Carroll beat some teams in the NCAA's that were taller (i.e. Wooster and Witt) in years past. Would love to see BW host a home NCAA tourney game and make Wooster or Wittenberg travel. But Wooster will be home probably throughout.

Congrats Jackets. Get em goin get em goin.......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 13, 2006, 05:40:06 pm
BW is running away with this.  Right now they are the best team in the conference, head and shoulders above everyone else.  Tori Davis overshadows a brilliant supporting cast who don't get the credit they deserve.

As for JCU, Pete Moran is out with a groin injury (since the Wilmington game), his return for this season is uncertain.  Tony DeMichele (backup PG) is out (since the Capital game) with an ankle sprain.  Derek Smith is out (since the Capital game) with a leg injury.  So, the Streaks are missing their leading assist man and scorer in Moran, their backup point guard who was made the starter by Moran's injury, and one of their leading rebounders and a force down low.  Cap that off with a very difficult year off the basketball cour and it should come as no surprise that the team is struggling.  I hope I don't sound like I'm making excuses for the Streaks, but it's difficult to win under these circumstances.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2006, 06:07:09 pm
I do they think BW can score with anybody in the country. If they do play the likes of Wittenberg or Wooster (saying the make the NCAA's) I am worried about the height of those teams. 6-5 to 6-7 three guards may hurt them.

Wittenberg is pretty tall (6'9" Dan Russ and  6'8" Dane Borchers in the low post), but Wooster has no height this season.  The Scots start what amounts to three guards (6'0", 6'0", 6'3") and two forwards (6'5", 6'6"), and the rest of the rotation goes 6'1", 6'1", 6'3", 6'5".  The Scots play a perimiter game; B-W can (and did) expose their weaknesses inside.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2006, 06:27:09 pm
Great Lakes teams in top 100 QoWI (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2910.105), and my prediction for this week's regional rankings:

1. (6th nationally) Carnegie Mellon    10.938    13-3
2. (11) Wooster    10.737    18-1
3. (14) Wittenberg    10.667    16-2
4. (19) Baldwin-Wallace    10.333    19-2
5. (21) Hope    10.267    13-2
6. (26) Calvin    10.200    9-1
7. (41) Albion    9.833    10-2
8. (74) Lake Erie    9.278    15-3
9. (77) Bethany    9.250    16-4

Projected rankings:
1. Wooster
2. Wittenberg
3. Baldwin-Wallace
4. Carnegie Mellon
5. Hope
6. Calvin

Actually, 2-6 looks like a crap shoot to me, and any/all of them could be tied.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: xoacballer on February 14, 2006, 01:07:56 pm
What is everyones standpoint on the National Player of the year award?  Does it have to go to a Senior?  Because I would have to say that Tori Davis should be a serious contender if B-W can advance to at least the Sweet 16.  24 ppg and almost 10 rpg leading a team to the highest ranking in school history.  This kid can flat out ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 14, 2006, 02:42:00 pm
Absolutely no doubt Tori Davis will be OAC MVP and should be considered for POY in D-3. 44 points @ Wooster and 39 points @ Muskingum to clinch the league outright, definitely great numbers on a great team.

I did not go to the Wooster-BW game so I didnt know Wooster is guard oriented. That changes my thoughts on BW beating Wooster again, but they are still #1.

Wittenberg at BW would be great to see in the tournament, but everybody knows Wooster and Wittenberg havent played a road playoff since Nixon was in office. Basically, I want BW to host a first round NCAA Tournament game, thats all. I do hope and think BW will finish off by winning the OAC Conference Tournament. But dont sleep on the Berg if they make the tournament. They do have a chance to come into Berea on Feb. 22 and shock the world (reference 95-75 win in 2005 @BW).

For those of you that follow the OAC, my buddy seems to the think the league is down this year. Would you say that's true or BW is just head and shoulders above the rest? In years past the league champ always has 3-4 losses and could lose on any given night, but not this year. That does raise an interesting point.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 14, 2006, 06:47:05 pm
Quote
Basically, I want BW to host a first round NCAA Tournament game, thats all.

I think that's a tough argument to back up.  I think that BW is as deserving (if not more deserving) as Wooster for home games throughout. 

As for the league being down this year, I disagree.  I think the league is better than ever from top to bottom.  BW is just that much better this season.  Look at the number of teams bunched up in the middle.  Musky and Wilma have emerged as serious threats (remember, Wilmington beat BW) in the tournament.  It should be fun.  All it takes is for BW to come out flat one time in the tourney, and they're done...until they get an at large bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DII/DIIIFan on February 17, 2006, 09:11:57 pm
ONU showed how strong the OAC is (at least the top half) with a strong win at BW Wednesday night. They led by double digits most of the way before BW closed the gap in the second half.

If at least two OAC teams don't make the "DIII Dance" - it will be a crime.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2006, 09:45:08 pm
If at least two OAC teams don't make the "DIII Dance" - it will be a crime.

Perhaps, but be advised that crime is rampant in our society.  If B-W wins the OAC tournament, the chances of another OAC team getting a Pool C bid (would be Wilma or ONU, probably depends on which gets further in the tourney) would be very slender indeed.  They just don't have the on-paper credentials (primarily Quality of Wins Index, where both are just shy of 9.0 and thus not in the top 100 nationally, and regional win percentage, both hovering around .750, good enough only for 10th and 11th in the region) to compete with other teams across the country.  There are at least nine teams in the region with better credentials than Wilma and ONU. 

(I'm just talking about credentials here; whether there are actually nine better teams is an entirely different qustion.  For example, one team with considerably better credentials is Bethany, but in no way do I think Bethany is a better team than either Wilmington or ONU.  But subjective impression isn't important; objective credentials are.)

Fortunately, Baldwin-Wallace is one of those nine.  So if the Jackets fail to win the OAC tourney (which is a distinct possibility), then the OAC definitely gets two teams in: whoever wins the championship, plus B-WC through Pool C. 

So if you want two teams in, root for Anybody But B-WC to win the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2006, 11:26:35 pm
Pat has updated the national QoWI standings (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2910.132) through games of yesterday.  Tonight, Carnegie Mellon was upset at Emory, but the Tartans retain their control of the UAA Pool A bid by virtue of Rochester and NYU also losing (to Case and Chicago, respectively.)  CMU is now tied with WashU. atop the UAA, and the Tartans swept the Bears so they own the tiebreaker.  NYU, Rochester, and Chicago are all a game back with two games left.  In other words, all bets are off regarding how (and if) CMU is getting to the Big Dance.  In the data that follows, I've updated CMU's QoWI.

So here's the Great Lakes teams in the top 120 of national QoWI, along with their regional record:
Legend:  Team -- Regional Record and win % (ranking w/in region for win %) -- QoWI (national/regional rank)

Wooster -- 19-1 .950 (1) -- 10.700 (11*/1)
CMU -- 13-4 .765 (9) -- 10.556 (13*/2)
Wittenberg -- 16-3 .842 (5) -- 10.368 (17/3)
Calvin -- 10-1 .909 (2) -- 10.182 (21/4)
Baldwin-Wallace -- 19-3 .864 (4) -- 10.136 (23/5)
Hope -- 14-2 .875 (3) -- 9.750 (47/6)
Albion -- 10-3 .769 (8 ) -- 9.462 (59/7)
Bethany -- 17-4 .810 (7) -- 9.333 (73/8)
Lake Erie -- 15-3 .833 (6) -- 9.278 (74/9)
Ohio Northern -- 14-5 .737 (11) -- 8.947 (102/10)
Wilmington  -- 18-6 .750 (10) -- 8.875 (106/11)
Ohio Wesleyan -- 15-6 .714 (12) -- 8.810 (108/12)

*I've approximated where Wooster and CMU would be based on CMU's loss tonight, which was only a 3-QoWI-point game for them).  The other national rankings may be slightly off, due to the other UAA results tonght, but should be close.

I think we can officially strike OWU, Wilma, and ONU from any further Pool C consideration; it's win or go home for these teams next week.  Lake Erie and Bethany are hanging on to a tattered fringe of Pool C at the very best; Bethany still looks fairly solid for a Pool B bid, and LEC can still get in by winning the AMCC tournament.  The top 7 then shape up this way, as I see it:

1. Wooster
2. Calvin (beating Albion on Weds. was a big boost to their QoWI, while Hope's QoWI actually fell in beating lowly Alma)
3. Baldwin-Wallace
4. Wittenberg (mostly because B-W beat Wooster, who beat Witt twice)
5 (tie). Hope
5 (tie). CMU (a cop-out, but CMU's QoWI is still 0.8 higher than Hope's, offsetting the poor win %)
7. Albion (and Albion's QoWI will go down this weekend, win or lose vs. lowly Olivet)

Pool C prospects: 
NCAC: Woo and Witt are both in regardless of what happens.  So if OWU wins the tournament, NCAC gets three bids.  :o
MIAA:  Calvin is in regardless; Hope is in if they reach the MIAA final.  Albion likely needs to win the MIAA to earn a berth.  All three suffer from playing QoWI-damaging first-round games in the MIAA tournament (against Olivet, Alma, and Adrian, all with win %s below .333 and therefore just 8-point QoWI wins).  Plus Albion has a season-ending game with Olivet that will hurt them even more, QoWI-wise.
OAC: Baldwin-Wallace is in regardless; anyone else has to win the OAC tourney to get in.
AMCC: Lake Erie's last two games are worth 11 and 15 QoWI points if they win, so a trip to the conference tournament final may put them in the running for one of the last pool C bids.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 18, 2006, 12:12:56 am

The Scots play a perimiter game; B-W can (and did) expose their weaknesses inside.


Yes, but Wooster, and more specifically, Tim Vandervaart, are playing much better defense inside since their meeting with Tori Davis and the rest of the Yellow Jackets.  Tim has really improved in this area as the season has gone along.  Also, Tom Port has become a presense inside defensively, so I would wager that Tori and the rest of B-W would be seeing a bit of a different look if they were to go up against Wooster again in the post-season. 

Wooster Booster brought up an intiguing question regarding a possible Witt/B-W matchup in the tournament.  Now that would be interesting to see how Davis would match up against Witt's twin towers.  There's still a lot of basketball to be played though, and as deep as the OAC is, there's no telling who will walk away with the automatic from the OAC this year.  That being said, B-W will get at least a Pool C regardless of who wins the automatic.  But, the fact that B-W is hosting doesn't guarantee anything as evidenced by ONU's win there this week!  Should be a fun week of basketball to watch how everything unfolds!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on February 18, 2006, 05:25:32 pm
Interesting day today as both Wooster and B-W fall in their regular season finales. Should we chalk it up to both teams not playing real hard knowing they are the number one seed in the conference, or is there some reason to be concerned? I recall watching my team (Otterbein) down the stretch (2001-2002), thinking that they had to win EVERY game just to secure home court advantage leading up to the final four. It is such a HUGE advantage in DIII basketball considering there are no neutral courts until you reach Salem!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2006, 05:58:00 pm
Interesting day today as both Wooster and B-W fall in their regular season finales. Should we chalk it up to both teams not playing real hard knowing they are the number one seed in the conference, or is there some reason to be concerned? I recall watching my team (Otterbein) down the stretch (2001-2002), thinking that they had to win EVERY game just to secure home court advantage leading up to the final four. It is such a HUGE advantage in DIII basketball considering there are no neutral courts until you reach Salem!


I think Wooster played hard, but they didn't play good defense, didn't shoot well, and played a very inspired (and pretty good) team playing probably its best game of the year.  Wooster didn't mail it in today, they just got outplayed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fighting_scots on February 18, 2006, 09:02:54 pm
DC--Back from Delaware and you have nailed it on the head.  OWU played a perfect 1st half--Warnock was unstoppable--he even hit a couple of 3's that were called off because of a foul before the shot.  Woo in turn played a horrible 2nd half, scoring 18 pts in the 1st 17 min!  Take nothing away from the Bishops, but there was the proverbial lid on their basket---Woo couldn't buy a bucket--similar to the 9 min stretch in the BW game.  Port's shot at the buzzer was 1/2 way down--

Nice to see we weren't the only #1 seed to take it on the chin today---BW--Woo would make a fine "Great 8" matchup, a tough one for the Scots--

On to the tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 18, 2006, 11:27:52 pm
Mount played a game today like some of us wish they had played all year. For their effort MUC gets to visit BW on Weds. My guess is BWs little mini slump will end but I expect some upsets in this tournie.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 19, 2006, 01:04:35 pm
Watch out for Northern in the tourney.  They look to be firing on all cylinders.  Badenhop's range starts as soon as he gets across midcourt, he had 24 yesterday...all on 3's.

As for the Streaks, the difference without a true point guard on the floor is very difficult to overcome.  Chris Day is wokring as hard as he can, but he's not a PG.  Without Moran on the floor JCU is without their leading scorer and leader in assists...and one of their better perimeter defenders.  Not only does he score well, he creates with assists and steals.  The offense is really struggling without him.  We'll see if JCU can get a couple lucky bounces (and maybe get Moran healthy) and make some kind of run in the tournament.

I'm going to think about this for couple days, but any early predictions on round one and beyond?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 20, 2006, 12:59:19 pm
Usually I would go with all the home teams but there are so many decent teams this year I don't think that is as big an advantage as usual. I agree with your ONU comment--they always seem to be on fire this time of year.
I'll be glad to help JCU with their guard situation--you can have any G except Switzer from Mount's current roster and two 50 yd seats to the next Browns SuperBowl appearance and Mount gets a freshman of our choice from JCU's 2006/07 men's roster. Such a Deal!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on February 20, 2006, 05:18:16 pm
Very interesting proposal jdean but will the Browns ever make it to the Superbowl? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 20, 2006, 05:45:13 pm
Come on, jdean, do you really think that anyone would be able to convince a recruit from John Carroll to go to school at Mount?   ;)

Here's what I think will happen right now:

Muskingum over Otterbein unless Tyler Ousley plays like he did against Carroll a few weeks ago, then there's only one player in the league who can stop him.

Northern over Carroll unless Pete Moran is healthy and/or the JCU coaching staff is able to come up with something to offset the 3 point shooters.

Capital over Wilmington unless I'm wrong...this is a coin flip I think.

BW over Mount unless hell freezes over  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 20, 2006, 06:35:56 pm
Toph:

Ok, I want to go on record: hell already froze over for JCU  on 9-17-05 and for Mount on 10-22-05

And there is a caveat to the frosh recruit: IF he meets Mounts excellent academic standards!!!!

Bishopsfan:

The Browns are going to make the Super Bowl before Art Modell is elected to the Hall of Fame (which I'm counting on as NEVER).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on February 20, 2006, 09:32:34 pm
jdean-
Point well taken.  As Browns fan myself it has been tough the last couple of years but I do feel the team is headed in the right direction. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 20, 2006, 11:02:18 pm
jdean-
... but I do feel the team is headed in the right direction. 

Yikes. They're moving again?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 21, 2006, 10:02:00 am
This is the only football comment I'm willing to make.  To say the Browns are headed in the right direction is to say that they had more than one direction to go in.  It was virtually impossible for things to be any worse than they were.  This team had nowhere to go but up.  I'm not sold on this new administration yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 22, 2006, 05:04:18 pm
OAC Tournament Predictions

#1 BW vs #8 Mount - BW has lost 2 in row.  Mount has won 2 in a row.  BW handled Mount the first 2 times.  I look for the Raiders to use offensive sets they have not used all year and pull out all the stops.  If BW is loose and plays care free they win easily.  I will go with Mount.

#2 ONU vs #7 JCU - ONU is playing well.  JCU has had a tough year injury wise and emotionally.  Only hope is that Pete Moran is healthy.  Teams have shot a high percentage and have not turned the ball over against the Streaks recently.  If ONU is ready and focused, it does not matter.  ONU is too deep and too talented.  Take ONU

#3 Muskingum vs #6 Otterbein - Teams spit during regular season and both teams are 5-4 the second time through the conference.  Top players will determine this game.  Todd, Ross, Pittis for Muskingum.  Banaszak and Ousley for Otterbein.  Reynolds has a great tournament record.  Ford's first time around.  Take Otterbein.

#4 Wilmington vs #5 Capital - Both teams playing well at 6-3 the second time around.  Capital winners of 4 straight and Wilmington winners of 5 straight.  Whoever wins the battle of tempo and instills their style of play will win this one.  Turnovers will decide the game.  If Wilmington forces the tempo and turnovers, they win easily.  Capital needs less than 15 turnovers and Stahl to keep shooting well.  Take Capital.

Not very smart predictions.  I am glad I do not gamble.  I would love to see 4 upsets like 1998.  The only game that I am confident that the top seed will win is the ONU game. 

 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 22, 2006, 07:00:59 pm
I haven't seen BW's last 2 games but I have seen Mounts.
They played their collective heart out to win those 2 last games and that's exactly the reason I'm going with BW.
Mount is running on fumes and about run dry.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 22, 2006, 10:50:53 pm
Four and one-half minutes to go, Mount down by five. Davis commits his fourth and Kaprinksi is at the line for two. He misses both shots, the teams trade threes and then the toilet starts to flush. Turnovers, an uncontested breakaway, foul shots and Mount is down by ten. Good effort Raiders. Find a couple guys to defend the post and sweep the boards and you'll be OK next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 11:06:37 pm
In this week's issue of SI, Milwaukee Buck Michael Redd is featured for his buying his father his own church building.

His father, Rev. James Redd, was a Capital University point guard in the 1970's. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 22, 2006, 11:23:15 pm
Good work Michael Redd. Amen and amen.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 23, 2006, 01:09:14 am
My wife is sure happy I do not bet money.  This is only the 5th time since 1990 that all 4 top seeds have made it to the semi-finals together in the OAC Tournament.  The other years were 1990, 1991, 1994, and 2002.  That is one reason I went with the underdogs.  The other is I did not want the finals to be in Cleveland. 

Congrats to all the seniors for their 4 years of basketball on the teams that lost.  Good luck to the teams this weekend.  I am sure none of them want me to pick them to win.

J-Dean, I saw that Mount battled back, did it ever seem like they could pull it out?

Toph,  how is Pete Moran doing?  I credit JCU for battling the second half of the year.  If they could have cut their turnovers to 20, they may have had a chance.  Kind of hard to run offense when all your point guards are hurt.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 23, 2006, 09:58:13 am
c-busballer:

I didn't see the game--was listening on and off on MUC's broadcast. The critical point in the game was where I started my earlier commentary. With Davis committing his 4th foul Mount could have challenged him down low in the last 4+ mins. Would the game dynamics have been different with Davis trying to avoid or committing his fifth? Maybe, but the reality is Mount never really had a chance to challenge him because of turnovers. BW was able to cushion their narrowing lead and Mount lost their momentum. BW was up to the challenge on both ends of the floor in the final minutes--they won the game, Mount didn't lose it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2006, 01:05:13 pm
ONU forces 31 turnovers to defeat JCU.  JCU played well in pretty much every other phase of the game.  Northern didn't get a lot of good looking shots, and shot much worse than on Saturday.  JCU, on the other hand, attacked the basket very well and shot a high percentage from the field (over 50%).  JCU didn't make good passes on many occasions and Northern took advantage.  Turnovers lost this game for Carroll.  I'll say BW-Musky in the finals.  Northern didn't look very good yesterday, they need to play much better to beat Muskingum.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 23, 2006, 11:37:30 pm
Too bad about the G problems at the end of the season, Toph.  I get sick when I see one of the 2 Mount teams with 20 turnovers--I just can't imagine how half again as many looks.
I'm not convinced the OAC rep is going very far in this tournie--hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 24, 2006, 08:16:29 am
jdean,

It is all a roll of the dice once you get in the tournament.  Match-ups and style of play.  Where the game is played.  Look at JCU the 3 years that they were in the tournament.  They got a home game in the first round.  Then had to go play very good Wittenberg and Wooster teams on the road.  They won 2 out of 3.  They also had to go to Albion and lost on an unbelievable half court shot.  I do think the OAC has great parity, but is a bit down.  Odd to say that when there are three 20 win teams and Muskingum has 17.  My reasoning is that it is a young league and could possibly be a great season if teams stay healthy and add a player or two.  Only 6 of the top 20 scorers are seniors. 

BW - Returns 3 of 5 starters and 7 of top 10.  Most importantly Davis, Schuler and Sekerak.  They will miss Aufmuth and Gundert.  Gives them some grit and edge.  Nucleus to be outstanding again next year. 

Capital - Returns everyone.  Need to find some creative penatrating guards.  Great young nucleus.  No seniors and only one junior on the roster.  If this nucleus of freshman and sophomores stay together, they will be big and powerfull the next few years.

Heidelberg - Returns everyone but 8th or 9th man - This team has talent - as much as anyone.  If players are patient and learn how to win, they could be in the top 4.

JCU - Lose Ragor and Travis.  Biggest recruiting job is to get Mimes back.  Roggenburk, Franks still have eligibility if they want.  Need to find two wing players and a point guard.  If Roggenburk and Franks do not come back, Need some post players.

Marietta - Who knows.  If Foote has abandoned the fun and gun, it may take a few years to get back.  Back when they were a half court team, it was always a battle.

Mount Union - Lose only one senior, but Karpinski is a good one.  Did not see them play but know of some of their players.  Sounds like the have some young guards who could be good.  Saw Switzer in HS and thought he would be a good one.  Need to get some Post players.  Jdean, what happened to Jason Smith this year?

Muskingum - Everyone back but Pittis and Ross - two very good players.  Todd will make them competitive as long as he is there.  Love to watch him play.

Ohio Northern - 7 of top 8 are back - If everyone comes back, could be an unbelievable year for ONU.

Otterbein - Lose Ousley.  Need to find some post players.  If Owens comes back, he and Banaszak are a great backcourt. 

Wilmington - Lose Stirling, Carpenter, and Rohrbacher.  Biggest recruiting job is to make sure everyone comes back.  What a great story for Carpenter and Rohrbacher.  They went 4-23 and 1-25 their freshman and sophomore years.  They have helped Wilmington set a school record for wins at 20 and still going.  If Wilmington adds a few players, they will be good again.  Very quick and athletic team.  Reminds me of JCU a little. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 24, 2006, 08:28:55 am
OAC Final Four -

Flip of the coin in both games.  The two matchups split with eachother during the year.  Will BW relax at all thinking they are in the big dance.  In the past there was no room for error.  Only one team was going (with the exception of last year, BW, JCU).

First game - I think ONU wins on the last play.  Badenhop from deep.  Or Todd makes a steal and hits a 25 footer.  Just kidding.  I will go with ONU.  I just think that they are deep and talented.

Second game - I love upsets.  I think Wilmington will wear BW down and win a close one down the stretch.  Wilmington has to make shots though to get into their press.  If not BW will win easily.

I think all four of these teams can get it done.  It should be a great final 4.

I'll take ONU in the title game over Wilmington. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 24, 2006, 10:47:10 am
Finally some chatter in this room......

A great final four in place.

Game#1- Muskingum v. ONU. I like Muskie in this game for the simple reason of experience. Pittis and Ross are seasoned and Todd isn't your typical sophomore, really like a junior. Both teams are physical and Muskie has a better chance of lighting it up. Reference 21-33 3PT-FG last Saturday vs Berg. I think if you get physical with Badenhop you can take him out of the game and he will not shoot a great %, although he is very dangerous. ONU has some nice bigs, but so does Muskie. A great semi-final matchup for sure. Early line ONU -4.

Game#2- BW v. Wilmington. I witnessed game one in Berea with Wimington knocking off BW. Wilmington threw a 3-quarter court press that flustered BW and forced them into quick shots they did not make. Sterling at the top of that press was impressive. BW needs to stuff the ball down Davis' throat. They went away from him against Mount and that could have been a disaster if Mount took advantage. If Aufmuth has a good game this should be a good one. I like BW simply because of Tori Davis but I wont be suprised if Wilmington wins, if they make the game. Reference a long history of bus troubles dating several years back up and to last Saturday. Early line BW -6

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 24, 2006, 11:16:37 am
I think one of JCU's chief concerns in the offseason should be addressing the lack of outside shooting this season.

Musky-BW final.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 24, 2006, 11:39:10 am
c-busballer:

Lost Jason Smith for the year in a pre-season leg injury. I assume he'll return next year. Also, even though he's listed as a Jr, their starting fwd Long was announced as a Sr at the last home game. Even with Smith next year they need some help on the boards.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 24, 2006, 01:07:01 pm
Quote
I think if you get physical with Badenhop you can take him out of the game and he will not shoot a great %

He didn't shoot well in the JCU game.  I'd get somebody to bully him and see if he can be knocked off his game again.  He's always dangerous, though.  Great shooter, and he can get his shot off quickly.  If the perimeter shots don't fall for Northern, their bigs had better stay out of foul trouble.

Now, the question is which Musky team will show up?  The one that's been on a nice little roll here, or the one that scored, what, 39 points(?) against Mount?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on February 24, 2006, 07:49:05 pm
J Dean

Not that it matter right now but just thought I would add that otterbein does not lose anyone Ousley has a red shirt year from his junior year and last I heard was planning on using it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on February 24, 2006, 08:58:36 pm
ONU 80 Muskies 64
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 24, 2006, 11:13:06 pm

..., or the one that scored, what, 39 points(?) against Mount?

Thanks for pointing out the defensive expertise of the Raiders. You're always so generous in your remarks.

I'll take BW tomorrow. They're playing twice so one of them should win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 25, 2006, 06:20:08 am
whoknows,

I did not realize that Ousley was planning on coming back.  That makes Otterbein very interesting.  If Owens and Ousley come back.  Add one or two post players and on more perimeter player for depth and they could very easily make a run.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 25, 2006, 07:34:39 am
Was anyone at the semi-finals last night?  Any insights to the games?  What happened on the last play with Davis being fouled?
 
Tough way for Wilmington to go down.  Congrats to Wilmington and Muskingum on great years.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jf714 on February 25, 2006, 11:06:28 am
ONU did a solid job of bottling up Brandon Todd last night. It seemed as if the other guys carried Muskingum tonight.

I thought Wilmington played very well against BW. They did a solid job, for the most part, of keeping the ball out of Tori Davis's hands in the second half. I would say that the late foul call was justified. Davis got hammered.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCHoopsDad on February 25, 2006, 12:57:40 pm
I had a good angle on the foul at the end.  You could make as much of a case that Davis pushed off to get open as you could that he got fouled on the shot.  The push off wasn't called and the foul on the shot shouldn't have been called either.  It isn't the first time Wilmington has had the referees call a shot at the end of the game at BW to decide the outcome.  Same thing happened in the regular season game at BW last year.  The game should have gone to overtime.  Wilmington deserved a better fate.  The loss probably costs them a shot at the NCAA tournament.  You don't want to be put in that position by a referee at the end of the game.  Hopefully the OAC will get two teams in the tournament.  Wilmington needs BW to beat ONU tonight and hope they can squeak in on their two wins over ONU during the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 25, 2006, 04:02:55 pm
I had ONU over Wilmington.  I am still going to take ONU.  They are playing to continue their season.  BW is in the big dance.  I also think ONU is playing well.  They need to get Badenhop some open looks.  Post players need to rebound and play defense tonight.  BW needs to limit turnovers.  The Bears do not press like JCU has and Wilmington, but are very agressive and physical in the half court.  I think ONU is deeper and will help them in the back to back games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 25, 2006, 10:05:35 pm
Hey BW. Any chance you can win a game easily? These OT's and last second wins are getting old. How many more weeks will this drama continue?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 25, 2006, 11:35:16 pm
Here's how I see the final regional rankings, assuming I have recalculated the QoWI correctly:

1. Wittenberg (20-3, QoWI 10.652)
2. Hope (17-2, 10.211)
3. Baldwin-Wallace (22-4, 10.077)
4. Wooster (21-3, 10.042)
5. Carnegie Mellon (15-4, 10.474)
6. Calvin (13-2, 9.750)
---------------------------
7. Lake Erie (18-4, 9.682)
8. Bethany (20-4, 9.417)
9. Ohio Northern (17-6, 9.130)
10. Albion (12-4, 9.125)


Pool C candidates shown in boldface; Pool B candidate shown in italics.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 11:39:24 am
Went to BW-WILM and BW-ONU. Two great games played by 3 very good teams. Tori Davis made big plays when they needed it and Shuler from BW hit huge shots in OT after almost losing the game in regulation.

JCU-Dad, are you serious they shouldnt have called that foul on the last play in the BW-Wilmington game? Davis should have filed a police report after the game on that foul. That is a set play BW has had in the program since Lincoln was in office and it actually worked because of a great throw. Davis did not push off, the Wilmington defender made a bad play on it and they had to foul or Davis would have laid it in. In my opinion the officials were giving the game to Wilmington and BW were better than the refs that night.

BW-ONU was another great game. I didnt think it could top the game the night before and it did. I stated before if you get physical with Baden"flop" he will struggle. Reference 3-14 FG. He did hit a huge three though when they needed it. He is a good player but a cheap player as well. Will grab and push off you on offense and then flop all over the place. Good to see the refs didnt buy it most of the night.

There is no way Wilmington will be in the NCAA's. ONU might not even get it in. It happen to Capital a few years ago and may happen again tonight. Too bad.

Will BW host a 1st round game? Anybody, anybody, Bueller.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 26, 2006, 12:11:04 pm

There is no way Wilmington will be in the NCAA's. ONU might not even get it in. It happen to Capital a few years ago and may happen again tonight. Too bad.

Will BW host a 1st round game? Anybody, anybody, Bueller.


I agree with you about Wilmington, but ONU still has an outside chance.  The field is expanded this year, so the Bears have a better shot than Cap, who got jobbed a couple of years ago.  Without the expanded field, ONU would have no chance, but with the added pool C bids, they will want to be tuned in tonight at 10 to see if they made the cut.

As for B-W hosting, I would say they should host at least one game if not more.  Although, as screwy as the selection committee has been in the past, who knows what they're capbale of???  My hope is that they break up this region a bit and send a couple west and a couple east.  That would be the right thing to do, but the NCAA is only concerned about the least expensive thing to do so we will probably have to look forward to a sectional that will rival the Final 4 in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DII/DIIIFan on February 26, 2006, 01:21:43 pm
Shame on you, Kramerica.

Your comments about Greg Badenhop, a fine young, DIII basketball player are indicative of someone who not only didn't play the game at a high level, but probably knows little about the game.

Focus on what the outstanding young men of BW and ONU did well ... they are both quality teams coached by quality men in Bankston and Coleman.

Kudos to BW for pulling out the win, and kudos to ONU for splitting two games with BW in Berea over a ten day period.

Kramerica, your true colors only show your ignorance. Shame on you a second time.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 03:15:25 pm
DII/III Fan-

I simply stated my opinion of some of the things I have seen for the two years I have seen Badenhop play. No doubt he is a great player who can shoot. I am entitled to my opinion and there is some fact to that opinion, he does flop sometimes. Also, I said that if you get physical with him he tends to not shoot the ball that great. Another opinion of mine.

There is no rule on this forum that says we have to say only positive things and focus on what teams did well. I am fan and simply said what I saw.  So as a result I don't know the game and did not play at a "high-level"? Mmmmm, ok. So if I played D-3 basketball I would know the game and have played at a high-level. Gotcha ya.

After reading the front page I am confused. So if BW hosts a 1st round game, there will be 4 teams and it will be on a Friday and Saturday? Or will they play Wednesday or Thursday? If so what are some of the teams that could be in Berea this week or weekend?


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 26, 2006, 03:24:36 pm
Five teams in the draw will earn a first-round bye.  In those situations, there will be a first round on-campus game on Thursday, and the winner will travel to the campus of the "bye" team for a second-round game Saturday.  There will also be 11 four-team "regionals," comprising the first- and second-round games on Friday and Saturday, all to be played at the site of the highest-seeded team in the regional.

So B-WC could host:
* A first round game Thursday, then travel somewhere on Saturday if they win, or
* First and second-round games Friday and Saturday, or
* No games, playing on the road Thursday and (if they win) Saturday, or
* No games, playing on the road Friday and Saturday.

I think it's fairly likely that B-WC will have a good enough seed to host, but probably not to get a bye.  So I'd anticipate a 4-team regional to be held in Berea on Friday and Saturday.  I'm working on potential brackets now; at a minimum I think you can expect to see Lake Erie College there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 03:31:23 pm
Hell of a job David Collinge....keep it coming. Make sure you get something to eat, this stuff isnt that important.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DII/DIIIFan on February 26, 2006, 04:07:26 pm
Kramerica,

It's clear you are embarassed by being called out. All posters/readers know that an opinion of skills or playing style is not the same as ridiculing a young man's name. Enough said.

I do stand corrected on referring to the unlikely nature of you playing at a "high level". I should have simply said playing "organized basketball at any level".  :o

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 05:40:55 pm
Fan,

I am embarrassed because I said Badenhop flops sometimes and is a good player? Ah...now I see, I think?

By the way, played 4 years in the OAC and scored over 1,000 points.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DII/DIIIFan on February 26, 2006, 06:37:35 pm
Congratulations, Kramerica. I am duly impressed. You should be proud of what you achieved.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 26, 2006, 07:00:15 pm
Kramerica, You should have given up while you were ahead...Badenhop is only a junior...He's got another full season ahead of him
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 26, 2006, 07:29:23 pm
Kramerica, My apologies, I reread your posting...I first thought you were referring to Badenhop having played four years and scored a thousand...I now realize you were referring to yourself...nice career...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 08:26:37 pm
Thanks...Now that we are playing nice is ONU going to get in? What is Northern fan thinking or hearing for that matter? You would think two OAC schools should.

On this website it has predicted BW being the #3 seed in the East? I find that weird and more importantly where would they have to go play?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 26, 2006, 08:41:39 pm
No...I don't see ONU getting in...too many teams ahead of them...Sad but true for the ONU faithful...I took a look at the D3 rankings and out of the top 25 only Albion and ONU are projected to be staying home...A bitter pill to swallow considering the year they had...But they should be strong again next year...losing one starter and some freshmen getting valuable experience this year for next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCHoopsDad on February 26, 2006, 11:06:48 pm
Kramerica, to say the refs were giving the game to Wilmington shows your obvious bias.  Also the comment about the police report is way out of line.  All I said was the referee shouldn't decide a game in a situation like that.  I thought the refs called a good game.  I just thought OT would have been a better solution to that situation.  Good luck to BW.  Hopefully, they represent the OAC well.  Too bad such a good conference only gets one team in.  Why not expand the field to a full 64?  It's only 5 more games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2006, 03:42:07 am
Kramerica, to say the refs were giving the game to Wilmington shows your obvious bias.  Also the comment about the police report is way out of line.  All I said was the referee shouldn't decide a game in a situation like that.  I thought the refs called a good game.  I just thought OT would have been a better solution to that situation.  Good luck to BW.  Hopefully, they represent the OAC well.  Too bad such a good conference only gets one team in.  Why not expand the field to a full 64?  It's only 5 more games.

It would violate D3's policy of giving out one national tournament bid per sport to every 6.5 schools that participate in that sport. That policy is an across-the-board rule that applies to all team sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 27, 2006, 07:29:58 am
JC Hoops Dad and Kramerica,

I was not at the game Friday and did not see the play or the call.  Now I agree that calls at the end of the game are difficult to deal with.  I have been involved in enough games to feel both sides.  Look at it from the other side.  If Davis did get mugged and there was no call and Wilmington won, how would that look?  How would the BW players feel?  I am not sure they would have been picked as an at large bid.  It depends on what their SOSI number or quality of wins index would have been.  I am not smart enough or have enough time to figure that out.

I brought this up on the NCAC page.  I am tired of referees being brought into the equation.  Teams and players win games.  I always love when a poster says "i thought the ref's did a good job, but...".  I do not think ref's even need to be congratulated.  There always seems to be an implication when someone mentions refs. 

I am not just talking about this game.  I watched both the OAC and NCAC games on the net Saturday night.  I watched more of the NCAC because I had not seen Wooster play.  One of the Wooster posters made a reference to the ref's,

"For about the first 2/3 of the ballgame, I felt that Wittenberg got away with being overly aggressive.  But then, as if a gun went off, suddenly fouls were being called on Witt, fouls that I've not often seen called at Timken on an opponent.  Holds, pushes, hacks.  Mostly, they seemed to be called by the older ref, who just stepped forward and did the right thing.  It was nice to see, and from that point on I thought it was one of the better officiated DIII games that I've seen."

I watched most of that game.  There were a few calls that raised eyebrows.  I know who the three ref's were and they were on top of their game.  They actually raised their level of officiating, because I thought one was definitely in over his head.  I also tracked the fouls in the second half off of the box score.  The Wooster poster states that for 2/3 of the game that Witt got away with being overly aggressive.  Wooster did not pick up their first foul until 13:48 of the second half.  Witt had 4.  Wooster was shooting the bonus at the 11:28 mark while Wiitenberg did not shoot the bonus until the 1:15 mark. 

Wilmington made a great comeback.  If Davis was fouled, then it should be called no matter what time of the game it is.  I do think that most ref's would let some contact go, but cannot let everything go.  Look at the running box score.  There are always plays that teams can look back on.  A free-throw here or there.   

Congratulations to BW on a great year.  The rest of the conference hope's you have a long run in the tournament.  The sad part of the season is that ONU and/or Wilmington did not get in the tournament.  Just looking at the Great Lakes Region, ONU, Wilmington, and Albion had great years.  Unfortunately their Quality of Wins Index number was too low.  ONU was 85th at 9.130, Albion was 87th at 9.130, and Wilmington was 108th at 8.8519.  IF you look in the multi-regions area under Quality of wins index, Titan Q also shows that there were at least 6 teams with a higher quality of wins index not selected ahead of these three teams.  Unfortunately I think besides the top four teams in the conference the rest of the teams were very average to poor and hurt their numbers before the committee. 

It also hurt that the CCIW and WIAC each got 3 teams into the tournament.  Both these conferences are just a notch above the OAC.  However, I have a hard time putting La Cross in over ONU and some other teams.  ONU finishes second in the conference and second in the tournament.  La Crosse finishes tied for 4th in the regular season and loses in the semi-finals. 

 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on February 27, 2006, 08:13:55 am
If Davis did get mugged and there was no call and Wilmington won, how would that look? How would the BW players feel?

I brought this up on the NCAC page. I am tired of referees being brought into the equation. Teams and players win games.

But the refs are part of the equation, and I think that your first statement above points to that.  You're absolutely correct in saying that if a player is mugged and no call is made that that is very wrong.  Well, who bears the responsibility to make those calls?  Not the players.  The referees.  And if they don't make them when they should, they can certainly have an influence on the outcome of the ballgame.

I also tracked the fouls in the second half off of the box score. The Wooster poster states that for 2/3 of the game that Witt got away with being overly aggressive. Wooster did not pick up their first foul until 13:48 of the second half. Witt had 4. Wooster was shooting the bonus at the 11:28 mark while Wiitenberg did not shoot the bonus until the 1:15 mark.

I don't know exactly when I felt that there was a distinct change in the officiating, but I think you've pretty much found it, maybe a little sooner than the 2/3 point of the ballgame. Wooster did get into the bonus, and even the double bonus, early in the second half (maybe around the 10 minute mark?).

As I said in my post, from that point on I thought that Wittenberg was curtailed from being overly aggressive, that the refs did a nice job, especially the older guy.  I don't have any numbers to back me up, but I'll stand by my statement that earlier on I feel that they got away with a bit much.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 09:38:28 am
Why does Wittenberg get to host games every year? I feel BW got robbed and should be hosting those first round, 4-team games. BW wins the OAC and the OAC tournament and has to travel. Wittenberg has three tough games a year, all against Wooster, doesnt win their league, and gets to host? Why should Wittenberg get to host? Bush league.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 09:46:54 am
Also JCHoopsDad,

That foul at the end of the BW-Wilm game was absolutely the right call. The refs had to make that call because Wilmington fouled on purpose to avoid Davis laying the ball in for the game winner. If they didnt foul him he would have scored and that would have been it. The refs had nothing to do with that, Wilmington fouled on purpose. I thought that was obvious?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on February 27, 2006, 09:57:08 am
CMU vs. BW. This should one of (if not the best game of the first round). I didnt get a chance to see BW play much in the regular season but their credentials speak for themselves. It is going to be a high scoring shootout for sure.

Also as an ONU student I would have loved to see them get into the tournament. The team performed above and beyond my expectations. I think with the core of guys that they are bringing back next year, ONU will not be dissapointed come tournament selection time next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WoosterFAN on February 27, 2006, 10:16:29 am
I am not sure that WITT hosts every year. I thought the issue might be why does the NCAC/MIAA seem to host every year and OAC does not.

Last year JCU came into Springfield and WON, and JCU beat them the previous year (3 years ago) @ JCU and four and five years ago WITT got bye and won at home.  So for the 2000s WITT has made the tourney 5 times in six seasons and hosted 4 times.  Wooster has similar record of getting to be the host team. 

I am not sure of the reason for it but first glance it looks like OAC may beat up on each other too much.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 27, 2006, 12:07:45 pm
When JCU made their runs they had to travel to Wooster twice and Witt twice and Albion.  It is great to host, but they JCU got it done a few times.  Stevens Point did not host the Sectional when they won their first Championship.  Wooster Fan is correct when he said that the OAC beats up on eachother too much.  You still have to play the games.  JCU was 2-0 at Witt, 1-1 vs Wooster with one other win vs Maryville TN, and 0-1  at Albion on a half court shot.  They were 3-0 at home in first round games.  BW has a great chance to make a run to the final four.  Just take one game at a time.  They have to win the first game before looking ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 12:12:43 pm
Did you Know-

Carnegie Mellon beat D-1 Princeton this year.
A few days later they lost to the Beavers from Bluffton.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 27, 2006, 12:18:31 pm
Early predictions for Great Lakes Bracket.

Mississippi College over Maryville, MO.
Trinity, Texas over Maryville, TN
Trinity over Mississippi.

Transylvania over Bethany
Wooster over Randolph-Macon
Wooster over Transylvania

Hope over Wisconsin Lutheran
Calvin over La Cross
Hope over Calvin

Witt over Lake Erie
BW over Carnegie Mellon
Witt over BW

Sectional
Wooster over Trinity
Witt over Hope
Wooster over Witt

Hoppy Final Four to Wooster
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on February 27, 2006, 02:15:33 pm
Did you Know-

Carnegie Mellon beat D-1 Princeton this year.
A few days later they lost to the Beavers from Bluffton.

Yeah they took a page out of the ONU football playbook. Losing to an opponet you should beat after a big win. Unlike the ONU football team though, CMU is in the NCAA playoffs where anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 27, 2006, 03:29:25 pm
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I am not sure of the reason for it but first glance it looks like OAC may beat up on each other too much.

Not every team has the luxury of having one other great team in their conference, followed up by some mediocre teams...bottomed out with some downright terrible teams.

I personally like having a bunch of evenly matched teams.  Is it really all that exciting knowing from day one who is likely going to be playing for the conference championship? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on February 27, 2006, 04:05:26 pm
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Why does Wittenberg get to host games every year? I feel BW got robbed and should be hosting those first round, 4-team games. BW wins the OAC and the OAC tournament and has to travel. Wittenberg has three tough games a year, all against Wooster, doesnt win their league, and gets to host? Why should Wittenberg get to host? Bush league.

Witt has a higher QOWI and Hope has a higher QOWI and a better regional record.

Those non conference games against Oberlin and Allegheny hurt the cause as much as the late losses to ONU and Capital.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 04:13:13 pm
Is there anywhere to see the regional rankings? I know BW is #3 but I would like to see official rankings. In order for BW to host anything this tournament, they will have to beat Witt, if they beat CMU, and hope Hope loses?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2006, 04:24:21 pm
Is there anywhere to see the regional rankings? I know BW is #3 but I would like to see official rankings. In order for BW to host anything this tournament, they will have to beat Witt, if they beat CMU, and hope Hope loses?

Nope.  The final regional rankings are not released to the public. 

Obviously BW has to survive the weekend to host, but they'd need more than you suggest.  Not only Hope but also Transylvania would defnintely have to lose.  Probably Wooster too.  And then there's Mississippi College, who just might be the top seed in the sectional--would the NCAA fly three teams to Jackson for a tournament?  They flew three teams to Tacoma a couple of years ago, but that was because the only other potential host (Stevens Point) had a women's tournament going on. 

And that raises the biggest obstacle of all: the B-WC women.  They are the primary reason the YJ men are traveling this weekend, and if the distaff Jackets survive they very well may host their own sectional next weekend too.  So the chances of seeing the BW men playing in Berea are not good before the summer league starts.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on February 27, 2006, 10:16:30 pm
Did you Know-

Carnegie Mellon beat D-1 Princeton this year.
A few days later they lost to the Beavers from Bluffton.


Did you know?

CMU is in the tournament.
Bluffton is sitting at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2006, 10:29:52 pm
Kramerica, to say the refs were giving the game to Wilmington shows your obvious bias.  Also the comment about the police report is way out of line.  All I said was the referee shouldn't decide a game in a situation like that.  I thought the refs called a good game.  I just thought OT would have been a better solution to that situation.  Good luck to BW.  Hopefully, they represent the OAC well.  Too bad such a good conference only gets one team in.  Why not expand the field to a full 64?  It's only 5 more games.

It would violate D3's policy of giving out one national tournament bid per sport to every 6.5 schools that participate in that sport. That policy is an across-the-board rule that applies to all team sports.

Greg, true.  But to add some good news - with all the provisional teams in the d3 pipeline, the tourney should be adding one more team every 2-3 years, and may well reach 64 teams within 10-15 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2006, 01:14:41 am
Kramerica, to say the refs were giving the game to Wilmington shows your obvious bias.  Also the comment about the police report is way out of line.  All I said was the referee shouldn't decide a game in a situation like that.  I thought the refs called a good game.  I just thought OT would have been a better solution to that situation.  Good luck to BW.  Hopefully, they represent the OAC well.  Too bad such a good conference only gets one team in.  Why not expand the field to a full 64?  It's only 5 more games.

It would violate D3's policy of giving out one national tournament bid per sport to every 6.5 schools that participate in that sport. That policy is an across-the-board rule that applies to all team sports.

Greg, true.  But to add some good news - with all the provisional teams in the d3 pipeline, the tourney should be adding one more team every 2-3 years, and may well reach 64 teams within 10-15 years.

Yup. And then we can read all the griping from the fans of the would-be 65th team. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2006, 01:49:56 am
And poor d1 - they now have to put up with the griping from the would-be 66th team!

Expansion is great - I can't imagine fans of any teams other than (perhaps) Albion, Elmhurst, or Ohio Northern who have ANY legitimate claim that they could have been final four if only they had been given the chance (and, of course, they had the chance in their conference tourneys)! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2006, 02:01:07 am
And poor d1 - they now have to put up with the griping from the would-be 66th team!

Expansion is great - I can't imagine fans of any teams other than (perhaps) Albion, Elmhurst, or Ohio Northern who have ANY legitimate claim that they could have been final four if only they had been given the chance (and, of course, they had the chance in their conference tourneys)! 

One might add Trinity (CT) to that list as well, especially given the weakness of that section of the bracket and the fact that they're one of only two teams to have beaten Amherst this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: cmubobcat on February 28, 2006, 04:27:15 pm
Listen up B-W and OAC fans!  Tune in to "Sportsline" tonight at 10 PM on Carnegie Mellon's WRCT Radio for discussion of Friday night's CMU vs. Baldwin-Wallace matchup and a preview of this weekend's regional at Wittenberg.

Listen online at www.wrct.org.  Call 412-621-9728 to join in on the discussion.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on March 01, 2006, 09:21:27 pm
 I am looking forward to see how far B-W advances in the tournament...considering they lost two of their last five games to Ohio Northern and Capital, barely escaped elimination by Wilmington on a last second full court heave that drew a foul according to the men in stripes and then followed that performance up with an overtime win against Ohio Northern in the OAC finals. I fear they may be entering the tournament on an empty tank...I really would like to see them go deep into the tournament to hopefully exhibit to the "wizards'' of the NCAA selection committee that choosing one rep from the OAC this year was a mistake...Sour Grapes maybe, but it is difficult to see how you leave  a team ranked in the top twenty five at home...ONU of the OAC and Albion I believe are the only two teams in the top 25 that did not get a bid....Maybe next year...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hugenerd on March 02, 2006, 04:45:42 pm
I think BW will have their hands full with CMU as well.  It should be a good game.  CMU is bigger than BW at every position (by alot) so it will be interesting to see if BW can use their quickness to their advantage.  Both teams scored in the mid 80s during the season so the tempo of the game should be familiar to both schools, but it will be interesting to see how the game plays out.  (By outsized I mean CMU had the following starters in the final game of the season: 1-6'2", 2-6'4",3-6'7", 4-6'6", 5-6'4" and they have a 6'8" coming off the bench, when I looked at BW it appeared they didnt have anyone over 6'3" who played a whole lot.  CMU did have trouble with Blufftoon earlier in the season, though, who has similar size to BW.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on March 03, 2006, 07:17:39 am
hugenerd,

BW has been playing against bigger teams all year.  Davis is not your typical DIII player.  He is a DI athlete who did not have the ballhandling skills to consistently play on the perimeter.  Teams have had to outscore BW to beat them.  Rarely have they been stopped.  However, I do think that they are getting tired, and a CMU win would not surprise me.  They have had a great year with some impressive wins.

Tonights Games

Wooster vs Randolph Macon:

I have seen Macon a few times over the years.  I have seen them this year.  Those teams Reminds were similar Wooster teams before this year.  Great Inside / Outside action between post players and guards with great ball movement.  Solid Defensively.  Very well coached and play extremely hard.  My belief with Wooster is that few teams are going to beat them if Wooster gives them a top performance.  They are going to struggle and lose when they have an off night shooting the ball.  The great aspect once you get into the tournament is that you may play a couple of teams that you have not played this year, for a couple of years, or ever and teams are not familiar with your teams style, pace of the game, or the players.  I think the first 3 teams they face may be shell shocked by their offensive fire power. 

Witt vs Lake Erie:

If Lake Erie can get by all the firsts in their program's history (wins, conference championship, tournament championship, NCAA birth), get by the fact that they are playing at Witt and all of their history, and the fact that they have never seen the quality of big men in Russ and Borchers, they can make a game of it.  Lake Erie will try to make it an ugly game, similar to JCU.  They will adjust their variation pressure defense.  They can force turnovers and teams to take bad shots.  I still take Witt.

BW vs Carnegie Mellon:

CMU has some great wins this year.  Do not know anything about them.  I am an Ohio guy so I will stick with the Yellow-Jackets.

Sectional Final Predictions:

Amherst vs WPI (Amherst)
WOO vs Witt (WOO)
Whitewater vs Augustana (Whitewater)
Lincoln vs William Patterson (Lincoln)

WOO over Amherst
Whitewater over Lincoln
WOO over Whitewater
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on March 03, 2006, 07:21:46 am
Sorry about my last post.  My post about RMC looks like a 2nd grader.  What I was trying to say is that I have seen RMC in the past, not this year.  Their teams in the past reminded me of a traditional Wooster team before this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on March 03, 2006, 03:13:24 pm
CMU is a very uptempo team that is going to look to wear out B-W. They are as athletic as any team in the country. I look for them to make some noise in this year's tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on March 03, 2006, 06:43:07 pm
BW up 14 or 15 a half....rolling and CMU no answer for Davis. BW TO's could hurt them if they keep it up and they are in some foul trouble guard wise. Next!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on March 03, 2006, 06:45:32 pm
Make it up 12.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on March 03, 2006, 08:53:50 pm
Looks like a Wittenberg - BW matchup tomorrow night.

Shades of the good old days in the OAC.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on March 03, 2006, 10:00:22 pm
Wittenberg by at least ten.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on March 03, 2006, 11:06:42 pm
Wittenberg by at least ten.

I'm glad to hear that.  However, didn't BW beat Wooster earlier in the year?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on March 04, 2006, 01:02:18 pm
Yes, BW won in double overtime against Wooster. I did not see that game, but I have seen BW play four times this year and Wittenberg twice...I just don't think BW has the overall talent to stay with Wittenberg...I think the key will be inside the paint...Davis will need to bring his A game tonight or BW is going to have a long evening. As an OAC fan , my heart is with the Yellow Jackets but my money would be on the Berg.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on March 04, 2006, 09:33:11 pm
One of the BW teams won and that is my last post on this board for the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: dothedew on March 05, 2006, 12:48:55 pm
on the hope website

The Flying Dutchmen will travel to Wittenberg University in Springfield, Ohio for the NCAA Division III Sectional Tournament next Friday, the NCAA has announced. Hope (28-2) will play the host Tigers (27-3) in the second game of Friday's doubleheader at a time to be announced. The first game will pit Mississippi College (28-1) against Transylvania, Ky. (26-4). Friday's winners will meet on Saturday at a time to be announced.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 12, 2006, 08:32:22 am
Witt could have played bad and beaten tranny
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on March 15, 2006, 07:01:51 pm
What exactly are the "recruiting" rules in Division III?

I've never known exactly and for sure don't know what the differences are from when Witt "deemphasized" and moved out ot the OAC.

Can someone give me an overview on the recruiting rules and the differences in emphasis between the OAC and the NCAC?

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on March 19, 2006, 11:49:55 pm
Anyone like to comment on former OAC member OH State's performance today? There is little joy in Cbus unless you're a Davenport fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 23, 2006, 02:13:06 pm
Well, I'm getting to this late, but the Bucks were simply outplayed by a much more athletic, quick team.  I haven't seen a team get beaten so badly by backdoor cuts since...well...BW took JCU to the woodshed at the end of the season.  I like what JT3 is doing at Georgetown, using a speed-based version of the Princeton offense.  It was all about next year for the Buckeyes anyway.  That Oden kid looks ridiculous. 

By the way, I think Mount Union is still waiting for an invite to play the Bucks in football and decide once and for all who rules college football in the state of Ohio. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on March 25, 2006, 02:35:18 pm
OSU????? And see another 70-0 score? Besides, ONU may claim "Best in Ohio" since they beat Mount!

I'd like to see Dayton play MUC, but they have nothing to gain by scheduling Mount. Gosh, was basketball SO bad that we're talking about football already?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on April 02, 2006, 01:30:10 pm
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Gosh, was basketball SO bad that we're talking about football already?

Yes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on April 03, 2006, 11:37:40 pm
Not exactly my kind of ball game but I have to give credit to the FL kids--their hands were everywhere on defense. Total dominance on both ends. UCLA had some looks but all they could find was the front of the rim.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Drake EX on May 14, 2006, 04:00:32 pm
Not the back.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Joe-Man on June 03, 2006, 05:05:03 pm
Drake, if your gonna post, post more than 3 words!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 21, 2006, 01:12:40 pm
Post more than one sentence, both of you!! This board is visited so infrequently it would be nice to have something, even a recipe, to take up some space.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 21, 2006, 03:41:29 pm
Post more than one sentence, both of you!! This board is visited so infrequently it would be nice to have something, even a recipe, to take up some space.

From Epicurious.com, Gourmet Magazine Online

CHICKEN WITH WHITE WINE AND MUSHROOMS

4 chicken breast halves with skin and bone
All purpose flour
1/4 cup olive oil
2/3 cup chopped onion
1/3 cup chopped carrot
1/3 cup chopped celery
2 tablespoons chopped Italian parsley
2 large garlic cloves, chopped
1 pound mushrooms, sliced
1 14 1/2- to 15-ounce can diced tomatoes in juice
1 cup dry white wine

Sprinkle chicken with salt and pepper; dust with flour. Heat oil in heavy large skillet over medium-high heat. Add chicken, skin side down, and sauté until brown, about 5 minutes. Turn chicken over and sauté 3 minutes. Transfer chicken to bowl. Add onion, carrot, celery, parsley and garlic to skillet; sauté 2 minutes. Add mushrooms and sauté until starting to brown, about 10 minutes. Add tomatoes with juices and wine. Boil sauce until slightly thickened, about 10 minutes. Return chicken to sauce. Cover skillet, reduce heat to medium and simmer until chicken is cooked through and tender, about 15 minutes. Transfer chicken and sauce to plates and serve.

Makes 4 servings.

 :D 8) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on June 21, 2006, 05:14:17 pm
DeVos Dogs

Serves 1-2

Steam two (2) hot dogs
Place each hot dog in bun
Add equal amounts of
(http://www.hope.edu/img/fieldhouse/05ddevosconstruct145.jpg)
Serve hot.

 :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 21, 2006, 06:15:34 pm
yesssssssss  :D  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 21, 2006, 10:24:06 pm
From Epicurious.com, Gourmet Magazine Online

CHICKEN WITH WHITE WINE AND MUSHROOMS

Makes 4 servings.

 :D 8) ;)

Ok, be honest DHF. You took this off the back of a Swanson's TV dinner box. You added the wine to give it your own personal touch. Personally, I hate to burn wine away--I'd much prefer a glass of cabernet sauvignon.

Next time maybe you could help with an hors doeuvre or a fancy potato side dish?

There is nothing like a misc. body parts of a pig sandwich
at any game (yes, even soccer)--it never fails to hit the spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 22, 2006, 04:31:02 am
Next time maybe you could help with an hors doeuvre or a fancy potato side dish?

FANCY POTATO SIDE DISH

1. Go to supermarket.
2. Buy bag of potato chips.
3. Take bag home.
4. Open bag.
5. Insert hand.
6. Pull out handful of chips.
7. Eat them.
8. Repeat steps 5-7.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 22, 2006, 07:39:00 am
A distinguished visitor comes to our board. All I had to do was invite people to post recipes and this page starts to have value again. Thanks guys. Maybe next time instructions on buying ice cream?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: matblake on June 22, 2006, 01:50:28 pm
Maybe next time instructions on buying ice cream?

1. Arrive at retail outlet with ice cream in stock.
2. Locate freezer with ice cream inside.
3. Choose flavor based on personal preference.
4. Take ice cream to purchase point.
5. Purchase ice cream via cash, check, charge or other applicable method per store allowance.
6. Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 22, 2006, 03:06:47 pm
1. Arrive at retail outlet with ice cream in stock.
2. Locate freezer with ice cream inside.
3. Choose flavor based on [edit] the intrinsic superiority of cookies and cream.
4. Take ice cream to purchase point.
5. Purchase ice cream via cash, check, charge or other applicable method per store allowance.
6. Enjoy!

Repeat steps 1-6 at least 10 times daily.  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: matblake on June 22, 2006, 03:50:58 pm
3. Choose flavor based on [edit] the intrinsic superiority of cookies and cream.

Repeat steps 1-6 at least 10 times daily.  :D :D
Quote

Hmmmmmm, I wonder what a cookies and cream cookie would taste like......  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 22, 2006, 04:38:58 pm
Hmmmmmm, I wonder what a cookies and cream cookie would taste like......  ;D

An oreo?  :P ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 22, 2006, 10:52:08 pm
Quick, find a copyright attorney before Pat opens a D3 food board. I'm surprised no one suggested shoplifting in their trips to the grocery store. I guess basketball fans are usually pretty honest until its time to judge the refs who made the call that cost their team a W. And speaking of honesty, are you going to own up to the Swanson box caper DHF?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 23, 2006, 12:47:38 am
dude... I supplied the website... this is silly to the degree that you would have been if you had tried to pretend you didn't watch the brittany spears interview. :P

You can tease me all you want. I know that you're just a big softie now, so nothing you can do will phase me. :P

Everyone should use that website, incidentally. You can search for recipes based on ingredients, and while I always edit recipes, the neat thing about this page is that the other cooks can leave approval ratings, and their variations for others to try.

The chicken recipe I just copied and pasted though, its exactly as is... I don't eat most meats anymore so it would be sorta difficult for me to test the waters on this one. :D

However it received a very high 3.5 fork out of 4.0 rating and looks incredible. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 23, 2006, 04:23:09 am
dude... I supplied the website... this is silly to the degree that you would have been if you had tried to pretend you didn't watch the brittany spears interview. :P

The chicken recipe I just copied and pasted though, its exactly as is... I don't eat most meats anymore so it would be sorta difficult for me to test the waters on this one. :D

However it received a very high 3.5 fork out of 4.0 rating and looks incredible. :)

So you can't appreciate that a B Spears interview is compelling TV, dudette? 

When you say you don't eat most meats (I don't think hot dogs pass the meat test) anymore, does that mean if it isn't in ice cream you don't eat it? People in the Midwest are normal--we eat food, anykind, and lots of it. You California radicals follow the latest fads/diets--not to lump all San Andreas Fault neighbors into one basket but you're all nuts. :D

I'm beginning to ramble because its 4 am and I can't go back to sleep. I need someone to slug me or... wait a minute. I just remembered D3's sedative--the soccer board.
 ZZZZZZZZZ
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 23, 2006, 09:37:33 pm
So you can't appreciate that a B Spears interview is compelling TV, dudette? 
Uhm, no, definitely not.   ::) :P :D

When you say you don't eat most meats (I don't think hot dogs pass the meat test) anymore, does that mean if it isn't in ice cream you don't eat it? People in the Midwest are normal--we eat food, anykind, and lots of it. You California radicals follow the latest fads/diets--not to lump all San Andreas Fault neighbors into one basket but you're all nuts. :D
I became a vegetarian while living in the midwest, and going to a christian college. So nanny nanny.  :D :D :D Southern California is totally not the most environmentally friendly part of the world. It was easier to recycle at Wheaton than it is here, among many, many other things.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 24, 2006, 12:16:34 am
I became a vegetarian while living in the midwest, and going to a christian college. So nanny nanny.  :D :D :D Southern California is totally not the most environmentally friendly part of the world. It was easier to recycle at Wheaton than it is here, among many, many other things.  :-\

I think its been proven by Dennis at N Park College that vegetarians are angry people and are responsible for every war that has ever been fought. :D Of course the meat eaters have to fight the wars.

Today was one of those days. We all have one of those days from time to time. Mine are today, Saturday and Sunday. I like to think of it as paying dues. I'm supposed to be having fun these three days but its more like a chore.
Ugh, I need more MEAT.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 26, 2006, 01:06:58 pm
Trivia has reached an all time low. The world record for watermelon seed spitting is 68' 9 1/8" set in 1989 in
Luling, TX. Someone want to pass the word to the Texans that they have seedless watermelons.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 26, 2006, 11:49:15 pm
Does anyone need a "hot" stock tip? I have dozens of "caring" people who send me emails every day (and I do mean every day) offering the latest way to make you the next Buffett. I'll be glad to share your email address with them. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 01, 2006, 12:14:11 pm
Very few come to this board to discuss basketball and no one comes here to discuss Mount basketball. Since the local paper published Mount's recruits I'll list the names of the kids you'll be beating for the next few years. Steve James,G,Cuy Falls; Stu Anglum,G/F,soph transfer from Mercyhurst; Travis Larrick,G,Brunswick; Gurpreet Singh,G,Canfield; Matt Ricci,G/F,Stow; Kyle Monceaux,G/F,Shenango,Pa; Jared Hale,C,Carlisle.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 01, 2006, 01:45:13 pm
Thanks, because I am not paying $4.95 a month to access the Alliance Review Web site!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 01, 2006, 02:29:34 pm
Thanks, because I am not paying $4.95 a month to access the Alliance Review Web site!

You wouldn't want to pay $.50 to buy an issue either.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on July 06, 2006, 02:58:33 pm
Trivia has reached an all time low. The world record for watermelon seed spitting is 68' 9 1/8" set in 1989 in
Luling, TX. Someone want to pass the word to the Texans that they have seedless watermelons.

My suspicion is that Texans hold the records in all categories of spitting, not just those utilizing watermelon seeds.

There are lots of things that we should pass on to Texans, such as our desire that they refrain from entering national politics.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 06, 2006, 11:21:23 pm
There are lots of things that we should pass on to Texans, such as our desire that they refrain from entering national politics.

Does someone have deep-seated hatred for former Pres. Lyndon B Johnson?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on July 06, 2006, 11:28:59 pm
Does someone have deep-seated hatred for former Pres. Lyndon B Johnson?

From 40 years of perspective, LBJ sure comes off as a relatively scrupulous SOB, doesn't he?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 06, 2006, 11:57:39 pm
If they only said such nice things about Lady Bird.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 07, 2006, 05:34:11 pm
John Daly made it through 2 rounds without with-drawing and it looks like he's going to make the cut!!! Glory Glory.
For those of you who are keeping track I believe this fulfills the requirements of Revelation for the End of the World. Bad timing--we are supoosed to have a sunny weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 18, 2006, 01:05:18 pm
I guess the doomsayers were wrong about the end of the world. Wait, maybe it did end and I'm in some third dimension. That would explain why no one ever comes here to post, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 18, 2006, 05:35:45 pm
Interesting conversation linked from the top of D3hoops about former Otterbein player Gibbs. Seems to be question and comments about his height (or lack of) but there is no disputing the man could jump to the rafters. I was always amazed at the end of any game I saw him play to see his numbers. Instead of being a Lebron James, visible all over the floor, Gibbs kind of blended in but produced consistently great numbers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on July 21, 2006, 09:54:52 am
I definitely agree that Jeff Gibbs blended in for most of the game but man oh man did he stick out when he would get a monster dunk.  He still has some of the best dunks I have ever personally witnessed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 25, 2006, 06:01:05 pm
For anyone interested, The Canton Repository reported Ryan Cockrill from Tuslaw HS will be attending Mount.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on August 01, 2006, 01:04:50 am
Does that make him the 35th or 36th recruit to go to Mount??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on August 01, 2006, 10:09:08 pm
If only those recruits showed up as spectators at some of the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on August 25, 2006, 10:30:24 am
Any recruiting news out of any of the OAC schools?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on September 26, 2006, 07:30:29 pm
Any recruiting news out of any of the OAC schools?

I think most of ONU, Cap and JCU's recruits are due paroles very soon.
I think Cap got the cream of the crop--MVP and slam dunk winner at the
FBI 2003 All-fugitives tourn. I'm told he plays better without handcuffs and leg irons, a lesson soon to be learned by Clarett.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on September 29, 2006, 10:55:47 pm
Just a question about a couple of Ohio H.S. players. Fontbonne Univ. has two kids fro Dayton this year. Adam Hiles and Brady Hosemann from Kenton Ridge HS. Anybody know anything about these players. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on October 03, 2006, 11:10:24 pm
Just a question about a couple of Ohio H.S. players. Fontbonne Univ. has two kids fro Dayton this year. Adam Hiles and Brady Hosemann from Kenton Ridge HS. Anybody know anything about these players. Thanks in advance.

This is not one of the more active pages. A couple posters might venture here after the season starts so don't expect much of a response to your inquiry. Sorry
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on October 04, 2006, 01:23:58 am
Just a question about a couple of Ohio H.S. players. Fontbonne Univ. has two kids fro Dayton this year. Adam Hiles and Brady Hosemann from Kenton Ridge HS. Anybody know anything about these players. Thanks in advance.

This is not one of the more active pages. A couple posters might venture here after the season starts so don't expect much of a response to your inquiry. Sorry

You might have better luck asking on the NCAC page, as Wittenberg is near Dayton and recruits fairly heavily there.  And it's a more active page, although primarily with Wooster fans as opposed to Witt.  Good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 05, 2006, 11:14:28 pm
Thanks Guys !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on November 01, 2006, 08:25:22 pm
Interesting that BW was picked to win the OAC ahead of ONU but ONU is ahead of BW in the first national  preseason poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2006, 12:51:22 am
Barely.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Wizardman on November 11, 2006, 12:49:31 pm
Interesting that BW was picked to win the OAC ahead of ONU but ONU is ahead of BW in the first national  preseason poll.

Yeah, I dn't know how ONU got placed ahead there, lol.
Then again I haven't really looked at basketball at all yet, I'll need to educate myself on the goigs-on currently.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on November 18, 2006, 07:11:49 am
 :) Good to see Otterbein win their first road game of the year, 56-55 (OT). I'm not too impressed by the point total, but they gave up only 17 second half points to a Gettysburg team that I know has had some successful seasons in recent years. Ott's 1st seven games are on the road, so hopefully they can improve upon last year's 3-road win total.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 27, 2006, 09:14:01 am
Hello?           Hello?          Hello?          Hello?

chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 27, 2006, 01:01:06 pm
JCU actually played Cleveland State pretty tough last week.  I'm excited about the Streaks this year.  Don't be surprised if they make a run at the OAC title.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 27, 2006, 01:42:17 pm
JCU actually played Cleveland State pretty tough last week.  I'm excited about the Streaks this year.  Don't be surprised if they make a run at the OAC title.
I noticed that JCU beat Emory & Henry by a measly 7 points this weekend.  Mt. Union beat the Wasps by 20 earlier this season at Wooster, and I came away thinking that E&H was horrible.  But they play the "system" style, and it produces some flukey results that make the score-comparison game even trickier than usual.

I attended the OAC/NCAC Challenge doubleheaders this weekend, and have posted extensive comments on the NCAC page (albeit more focused on Kenyon and Denison than on Capital and Muskingum.)  In a nutshell, I was very impressed by Muskingum, although I wonder how they'll fare against a good team with size.  Musky starts 4 guards and 6'6" senior Jason Dicken.  Dicken hurt something on his leg in the Denison game, and didn't return; then he started the next day against Kenyon but didn't seem to be part of the game plan.  I don't know if that's normal for Musky or if it's injury-related.  The guards they have, though, make a four-guard set perfectly reasonable.  Brandon Todd is a player.  It seems like everything he shoots finds the net, no matter how crazily off-balance it is.  And if you leave him open at the arc for a nanosecond, you lose three points.  He and Wooster's James Cooper are the best guards I've seen this year...and Cooper's a first team preseason All-American.  Musky also has a freshman guard, Pat Byrne, like Todd from Cambridge H.S., who is fearless in driving to the hoop and also has a sweet outside shot.  They also have an outside scoring threat in sophomore Trevor Scott.  Despite having no size whatsoever (except on the bench, where languish two players who would be taller than 6'8" if they were permitted to stand), they rebound very well--at least against the likes of Denison and Kenyon, who are taller if not more athletic.  With their shooting skills and aggressive, athletic defense, they'll be tough to beat.

Capital also has a standout player, 6'5" junior post Steve Kyser.  He was unstoppable this weekend, grabbing 18 rebounds and dropping 53 points on the NCACers from spots ranging from the backboard to the top of the key.  Unlike Todd, however, he had little help.  Against Kenyon, Kyser was a one-man band in what was a truly ugly game.  Against Denison, he got 21 points' worth of help from sophomore Ryan Wood, many of those on wide-open jumpers that were open because of the focus given to Kyser.  I'm somewhat less optimistic about Capital's chances against their OAC foes, although they should be competitive. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: andrewhope on November 28, 2006, 04:58:45 pm
 GO HOPE                       VCVVDXFG VIXIN BLIS DONOR
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on November 29, 2006, 09:09:33 pm
Just a question about a couple of Ohio H.S. players. Fontbonne Univ. has two kids fro Dayton this year. Adam Hiles and Brady Hosemann from Kenton Ridge HS. Anybody know anything about these players. Thanks in advance.

I can shed a little light on this post.  Those guys are not from Dayton.  They are from Springfield, the HOME OF THE WITTENBERG TIGERS.  Dayton just happens to be the closest bigger city to Springfield.  My dad happens to live in the Kenton Ridge district.

However, since they didn't go to Witt, I must confess that I have never heard of 'em.

I would bet if you are a baseball fan, you have heard of some Kenton Ridge graduates, though.

Dave Burba, Rick White, and Dustin Hermanson, major league pitchers of some repute, all played high school ball at Kenton Ridge.

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By the way, where is Fontbonne Univ anyway?  Is it really F.U.?  It seems that there is (are?) the makings of a cheer in there somewhere.  :D

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Hello to my new friends from Hope from last season.

TigerFan_1973

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on November 29, 2006, 09:11:00 pm

Hello to my new friends from Hope from last season.

TigerFan_1973


Whoops.  I thought I was on the MIAA board.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 29, 2006, 11:53:03 pm
Just wanted to try and create some discussion about the upcoming OAC bb season.  Does anyone have an opinion about the order of finish before things get started this weekend?  I know what the polls have said but how often are they right? There are two undefeated teams going into conference play--ONU and Etta but they are likely to finish on opposite ends of the OAC.  And what's with BW??  3-1 with a couple of close calls already. Do they deserve top billing?  Is JCU and its new batch of recruits for real?  Does tricky Dick down at Ott have something up his sleeve this year? How about Mount and their 35 new recruits? For what it's worth, this is my order of finish---ONU, Musky, Cap, JCU, BW, Berg, Ott, Mount, Etta, and Wilmington.  Any other ideas??  Let's get some chatter going in anticipation of another great OAC bb season.  To me, it looks like the league is better all around with maybe only ONU as a standout team.  Thoughts???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 30, 2006, 03:29:22 am
Just a question about a couple of Ohio H.S. players. Fontbonne Univ. has two kids fro Dayton this year. Adam Hiles and Brady Hosemann from Kenton Ridge HS. Anybody know anything about these players. Thanks in advance.

I can shed a little light on this post.  Those guys are not from Dayton.  They are from Springfield, the HOME OF THE WITTENBERG TIGERS.  Dayton just happens to be the closest bigger city to Springfield.  My dad happens to live in the Kenton Ridge district.

However, since they didn't go to Witt, I must confess that I have never heard of 'em.

I would bet if you are a baseball fan, you have heard of some Kenton Ridge graduates, though.

Dave Burba, Rick White, and Dustin Hermanson, major league pitchers of some repute, all played high school ball at Kenton Ridge.

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By the way, where is Fontbonne Univ anyway?  Is it really F.U.?  It seems that there is (are?) the makings of a cheer in there somewhere.  :D

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Hello to my new friends from Hope from last season.

TigerFan_1973



Fontbonne University is in St. Louis. It's a member of the SLIAC (St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference), which is in D3's Midwest Region.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 30, 2006, 01:13:18 pm
For what it's worth, this is my order of finish---ONU, Musky, Cap, JCU, BW, Berg, Ott, Mount, Etta, and Wilmington.  Any other ideas??  Let's get some chatter going in anticipation of another great OAC bb season.  To me, it looks like the league is better all around with maybe only ONU as a standout team.  Thoughts???
bouncer, I'll join in on the chatter.  I'm an NCAC guy, but I follow the OAC closely due to Wooster's former ties with your conference and our recent competive games against JCU and B-W and even ONU a few years back.  Your predicted order of finish is interesting.  I agree with you that ONU seems to be the team to beat, but placing Musky and Cap ahead of B-W and JCU?  Personally, I see JCU being the darkhorse team this year.  Yes, they already have 2 losses, but they are both to DI schools (Loyola, Chi. and CSU).  Brandon Mimes is back for the Blue Streaks and he should present a tremendous lift to this team having him back.  As for B-W, they seem to not be firing on all cylanders just yet.  Will that change as the season progresses remains to be seen.  I don't really know too much about Cap and Musky, but from what David Collinge reported after the NCAC/OAC challenge, he didn't seem too impressed with Cap.  He did say he was  impressed with the fish, however.  Also, take into consideration that they faced 2 teams from the NCAC that will be lucky to finish in the top half of the conference in Kenyon and Denison, so maybe Cap was just playing down to the competition. 

Overall, on paper at least, it looks like the OAC is Northern's to lose.  But the OAC never seems to go according to script and it appears to be as deep and as talented as it always is.  Good luck to all the OAC teams this season and I know I for one am looking forward to the showdown between Wooster and ONU Wooster's holiday tournament on Dec. 29th!  That game could go a long way in determining hosting of tournament games come March!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 30, 2006, 03:02:55 pm
Both JCU and B-WC have posted some scores that make me wonder about them.  JCU beat Emory & Henry 119-112; Mt. Union beat those same Wasps 103-83 at Wooster, and made the Wasps look horrible in the process.  I grant you that E&H may have improved since that season-opening train wreck.  B-WC beat Olivet 74-71 and Oberlin 81-66 (after leading by just 2 at the half.)  Now, maybe the O's are better this year than normal.  Still I'd expect a top 5 national team playing at home to wipe up the gym with the likes of Olivet and Oberlin.  (By the way, I almost fell out of my chair when I saw that the Jackets lost only 82 vote-points in the Week 1 poll; that's the equivalent of being moved down ballot slightly more than 3 places by the average voter, from about 11th-12th to about 14th-15th.  I guess the voters were more forgiving of those close home wins than I am.)

I don't really want to pass judgement on teams I've not seen based on comparative scores of games I've not seen, but as of now I don't think it's far-fetched to put Muskingum and maybe even Capital (as well as ONU, of course) ahead of JCU and B-WC.  Whether they'll finish that way is another question.  I doubt that any OAC coach will take B-WC lightly just because Olivet played them to a near-tie. 

Capital was fairly impressive against Denison, and pretty stinky against Kenyon.  But they also took Wittenberg to double OT and stayed with a pretty good OWU team for most of the game last night.  I think the jury's still out of the Crusaders.  They host Baldwin-Wallace on Saturday, which should be an interesting game, to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 30, 2006, 11:30:15 pm
How about some predictions for opening night in the OAC.  Games are Ott @ JCU,  Berg @ Wilm,  Musky @ Mount, BW @ Cap, and Etta @ ONU.   My predictions are JCU over Ott, Berg over Wilm, Musky over Mount, Cap over BW, and ONU over Etta.  Anyone else want to get in on the predictions.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 01, 2006, 12:17:43 am
bouncer1 -- based on some observations of OAC teams/players the last couple of years, my top 5 order of finish this season would be:

Ohio Northern - deepest team in the league and Greg Badenhop is superb

Baldwin-Wallace - assumes Tori Davis stays healthy.  He is money in the lane.
Sekerak and Schuler can score if you double team Davis.

JCU - Brandon Mimes is back and he is very tough in the paint.  Pete Moran should be the #2 scorer and the Blue Streaks will be a factor in the race

Capital - Crusaders may pull some upset wins vs. top 3 this season

Otterbein - have gotten off to a decent start this season

Don't know enough to rank the rest of the teams accurately

As ScotsFan noted, Ohio Northern will play at Wooster in the Mose Hole Classic at the end of December.  Should be a great game between the Polar Bears and Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 02, 2006, 08:39:37 pm
Capital - Crusaders may pull some upset wins vs. top 3 this season

F'rinstance:
Capital 93, Baldwin-Wallace 85
B-WC is now 3-2 (0-1).  Rocky start, to say the least.  Capital moves to 3-2, 1-0.

Elsewhere:
ONU (5-0, 1-0) 80, Marietta (2-1, 0-1) 50
Heidelberg (3-3, 1-0) 90, Wilmington (3-2, 0-1) 78
JCU (4-2, 1-0) 86, Otterbein (3-2, 0-1) 77

Muskingum (4-0) at Mt. Union (2-1) is probably finishing up right about now.


UPDATE:
Mt. Union (3-1, 1-0) 71, Muskingum (4-1, 0-1) 64
Grapes hold Fish to 34% shooting, including a woeful 4-19 from Brandon Todd.  Todd played the entire 40 minutes; I guess they'll sink or swim with his performance.  Muskies actually had 16 more field goal attempts and lost; that's tough to do if you're not Grinnell.  Mt. Union shot just 64% from the line (21/33) and won; that's tough to do no matter who you are.  Box score. (http://www.muc.edu/layout/set/print/athletics/men_s_teams/basketball/2006_07_box_scores/muskingum_vs_mount_union_12_02_06_at_timken_gymnasium)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 06, 2006, 11:50:07 pm
I attended the OAC/NCAC Challenge doubleheaders this weekend, [...] In a nutshell, I was very impressed by Muskingum, [...]  Brandon Todd is a player.  It seems like everything he shoots finds the net, no matter how crazily off-balance it is. 

:-[ Wow, scratch all of that above.   :-[

Just back from the JCU/Musky game, won by JCU 81-74.  I wonder if Jor-El explained to his infant son that, although he might be Superman on Earth, back home he's just one of the guys.  Brandon Todd needs to hear that lecture.  Everything he tried worked like magic against Denison and Kenyon, but Deni-Keny ain't the OAC.  I noticed from the box score that he stank up the joint at Mt. Union
Grapes hold Fish to 34% shooting, including a woeful 4-19 from Brandon Todd.
and tonight was no different.  Todd sank just 6 of 19 attempts, most of them of the drive, spin, cut, jump, double-pump, underhand toss variety.  He's now shooting just .365 on the season (and he was 20 of 37 against Deni-Keny), but nevertheless he's heaved up 38 attempts in his first two OAC games.  In his defense, Muskingum doesn't seem to have a lot of shooters, aside from Trevor Scott, and Scott had a very tough time getting open looks tonight (although he managed to shoot 6/13 for 20 points.)  Still, Todd took about 1/3 of his team's field goal attempts, and on at least several of them it was obvious to all from the inbounds pass that he was going to drive and (for lack of a better word) shoot come hell or high water.  Muskingum had just 5 assists on 23 field goals tonight (Todd is the PG), and that's the main reason they lost. 

JCU was cruising throughout the first half, holding a 17-point halftime lead.  Brandon Mimes (25 pts., 16 rebs., 2 blocks, 2 steals) was doing pretty much whatever he wanted.  The second half was downright ugly.  In the second half, there were just 23 successful field goal attempts, and 36 fouls.  Musky committed its 10th foul, putting JCU in the double-bonus, with 13:41 remaining in the game.  JCU returned the favor about 2 1/2 minutes later.  Watching 49 free throw attempts in 20 minutes is bad enough, but only 36 of them were good, and that was even worse.  JCU's Derek Smith even airballed one of 'em.  But the biggest culprit here was Brandon Mimes.  As JCU had little difficulty getting the ball inside to Mimes, he wore out a path to the line.  But he was just 7 for 16 from the stripe, including a 2 for 7 performance in the first 6 1/2 minutes of the second half when JCU should have been putting the game away.  The poor free-throw shooting brought both the Muskies and the crowd (1758) back to life, and with accurate free-throw shooting (19/22 in the 2nd), they managed to get the lead all the way down to 2 with 4:52 left.  Then Brandon Todd took over.  In the next 2:49, he went 0-3 and committed a foul.  When his teammates could wrest the ball from his possession, they were 1-2, with Scott canning a trey to keep the Muskies in the game.  But JCU finally figured out that tricky foul-shooting thing, going 10 for 10 in the last 2:03 to pull away to the 7-point win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 06, 2006, 11:58:20 pm
So, here's the scores.

JCU (5-2, 2-0) 81, Muskingum (4-2, 0-2) 74
Capital (4-2, 2-0) 83, Wilmington (3-3, 0-2) 76
Ohio Northern (6-0, 2-0) 75, Heidelberg (3-4, 1-1) 70
Otterbein (4-2, 1-1) 61, Marietta (2-2, 0-2) 55
Mt. Union (4-1, 1-0) 81, Hiram (0-4) 54
Baldwin-Wallace (3-2, 0-1) was idle.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on December 07, 2006, 12:00:09 am
Mt. Union (4-1, 1-0) 81, Hiram (0-4) 54
Baldwin-Wallace (3-2, 0-1) was idle.

Apparently Hiram was also.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 07, 2006, 05:15:00 pm
JCU looks like they're playing pretty good ball.  They're undefeated against Division 3.  Hopefully sometime soon I'll have some time to actually catch a game instead of reading recaps and looking at boxscores.  Thanks for the info everybody.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: x3x4bsb on December 09, 2006, 11:27:13 pm
Looks as though all of the hype about ONU "owning" the OAC was just that.  I can handle a blip in the schedule hadn't they lost to B-W in Ada today by 16 in a game they were never really in.  Guess Cap and JCU are the two clubs to step to the forfront of the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 10, 2006, 02:04:32 pm
JCU (6-2, 3-0) 80, Capital (4-3, 2-1) 72
Heidelberg (4-4, 2-1) 68, Mt. Union (4-2, 1-1) 61
Baldwin-Wallace (4-2, 1-1) 94, Ohio Northern (6-1, 2-1) 77
Wilmington (4-3, 1-2) 75, Marietta (2-3, 0-3) 64
Otterbein (5-2, 2-1) 95, Muskingum (4-3, 0-3) 84

Sole possession of 1st place for JCU.  Congratulations to Dick Reynolds on recording his 600th win at Otterbein!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 13, 2006, 12:02:30 am
JCU looks like they're playing pretty good ball.  They're undefeated against Division 3.  Hopefully sometime soon I'll have some time to actually catch a game instead of reading recaps and looking at boxscores.  Thanks for the info everybody.

JCU interests me.  I don't honestly know very much about them, and I suspect that that feeling is shared by most of the voters in the d3hoops.com poll, at this point, or else I couldn't quite explain how they only received 5 total vote points in this week's poll.  JCU remains unbeaten against d3 opponets, while B-W, with 2 d3 losses to unranked opponets, garnered 53 votes.  What B-W does have, though, is a signature win that showed how good they can/should be, by beating ONU on ONU's court this weekend.   I'm guessing that if JCU could land a similar win against ONU or B-W we'll see them quickly rise in the polls.  I suspect that d3hoops voters feel that we just don't know how good JCU is yet, and it looks like they have maybe only one more challenging non-conference matchup in Christopher Newport.  The two losses to non-d3 teams doesn't help the d3 voters size them up.

Based on the early results, JCU could play the same role in the OAC this year that Ohio Wesleyan could play in the NCAC- spoiler.  The Blue Streaks will do well to avoid following the Bishop's lead too closely- the Streaks will not want losses like OWU's @ Allegheny one on their record
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 13, 2006, 12:20:56 am
Now that  Brandon Mimes is back playing for JCU it wouldn't surprise me at all to see JCU at the top of the OAC heap at years end.  He is one seriously good ball player.  The kind of player that changes a teams fortunes........see JCU '05 vs JCU '06.

Unfortunately the style JCU chooses to play often lends itself to very ugly displays of basketball, if you can get past the frequent trips to the FT line and the extrememly physical play you'll notice a pretty good system that Coach Moran has going.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 13, 2006, 02:56:00 pm
Thanks for the mini-scouting report, sac!  I'm going to try to catch JCU when they come down to Columbus to play Capital or Otterbein.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on December 13, 2006, 05:26:41 pm
I wonder if they even use a ball when JCU and Capital get together.  I see it more as a steel cage (they used to actually play basketball inside courts that were enclosed by wired fences, hence the name "cagers") match, lots of blood and guts, with whichever team has the last man standing declared the winner. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 13, 2006, 06:53:25 pm
I wonder if they even use a ball when JCU and Capital get together.  I see it more as a steel cage (they used to actually play basketball inside courts that were enclosed by wired fences, hence the name "cagers") match, lots of blood and guts, with whichever team has the last man standing declared the winner. :)
Actually, I think what we saw from their football game this past fall will more closely resemble what you'll see from these 2 basketball teams when they hook up. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 16, 2006, 06:23:23 pm
Looks like the OAC is going to be its typical fight to the finish with John Carroll getting knocked off today by Wilmington...Cap is looking decent at the moment but I don't see a dominant team in the Conference this year. ONU got a Win today at Mount Union, and while their defense remains their hallmark, their shooting percentage has been disappointing. ONU has a stiff test coming up Tuesday against Witt....a win there could give them a much needed boost in confidence.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on December 19, 2006, 10:59:34 am
Just curious to hear from any ONU fans about thoughts on the game tonight against Wittenberg...  I assume all the students are on break so there probably won't be that packed of a house tonight.  It's too bad because this should be an interesting game.  Is there any way to listen to it on-line??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 19, 2006, 11:23:01 am
division3hoops,

Here is a link to the Witt Webcast (http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/sportsnetwork/).

I couldn't find a link for an ONU webcast.

Hope this helps you out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 19, 2006, 11:44:57 am
Is the Marietta vs Bridgewater game on radio or the internet?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on December 19, 2006, 11:48:00 am
Thanks ScotsFan.  I will definitely check that out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 19, 2006, 01:43:34 pm
Is the Marietta vs Bridgewater game on radio or the internet?
Sorry, I couldn't find a link.  It looks like Marietta uses Stretch which is the same as Wittenberg, but it doesn't look like they broadcast all of their games over the internet.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 19, 2006, 01:51:26 pm
Thanks for looking though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 19, 2006, 09:46:05 pm
I wonder if they even use a ball when JCU and Capital get together.  I see it more as a steel cage (they used to actually play basketball inside courts that were enclosed by wired fences, hence the name "cagers") match, lots of blood and guts, with whichever team has the last man standing declared the winner. :)

Sorry to get in late, but I couldn't agree more.  It seems like there is some genuine dislike between the two programs.  I know that JCU has complained about Capital's tactic of taking an unreal amount of time to get the ball in (they will let the ball sit on the baseline after a play until a referee gives it to them after a lot of baskets) on several occasions.  Technicals abound in these contests.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on December 19, 2006, 11:20:12 pm
ONU wins a huge game tonight over Wittenberg 68-51. This is a huge win for ONU because they havent played very welll against BW and Mt. Union. Hopefully ONU can use this win as momentum as they look ahead to #1 Wooster on Dec. 29th.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 19, 2006, 11:32:13 pm
AMEN
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 22, 2006, 06:05:14 pm
Attention:  Those planning to attend the Mose Hole Classic next weekend in Wooster, OH, featuring Wooster, Calvin, UW-La Crosse, and Ohio Northern:

Two brief announcements:

1. In lieu of admission to the "Mose" Hole/Kiwanis Classic, fans can bring in two new or gently-used clothing items for one ticket, four clothing items for two tickets, etc. The clothing items will benefit Goodwill Industries of Wayne and Holmes counties.  (This is from the Wooster web site. (http://athletics.wooster.edu/mb/default.php)  I presume that one ticket is for one session, i.e. Friday or Saturday but not both, but I'm not sure.  Bring four gently-used items just to be sure; Goodwill can certainly use them!  :))

2.  Some of us are planning to gather at the Olde Jaol Tavern Brewing Co. downtown on Saturday afternoon, prior to the consolation game.  I hope I can persuade Pat Coleman, publisher of D3Hoops.com and D3Football.com, to join us there.  So if you want to say hello to Pat and some of your fellow posters (and lurkers), please plan to join us.  I figure I'll be there around 3pm for a late lunch.  The Olde Jaol is at 155 W. North St., at the corner of Walnut, and can be reached at 330-262-3333.  Here's a link to a Yahoo! map (http://maps.yahoo.com/index.php#mvt=m&gid1=29217420&q1=155+W.+North+St.%2C+Wooster%2C+OH+44691&trf=0&lon=-81.941228&lat=40.799387&mag=4), or you can PM me for driving directions.  Hope to see you there!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2006, 07:05:57 pm
Sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on December 29, 2006, 09:34:55 pm
Ohio Northern beats Wooster on the road in the 1st round of the Mose Hole Classic 91-84. The game was very fast paced and as Pat and Jared said, "game of the year material." Pat and Jared also did an excellent job with the broadcast and I look foward to listening to the final between Northern and UW-LaCrosse.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 29, 2006, 11:42:36 pm
Congrats to ONU for their win over Wooster tonight!  The game was definately a playoff type of atmosphere and intensity (at one point late in the 2nd half the officials actually made both teams huddle together and warn them to simmer down) and it totally lived up to the expectations.  ONU has a very talented and deep basketball team.  They won the game tonight on the boards and they outhustled the Scots to most of the loose balls.  It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see the path to Salem going through either Ada or Wooster with the quality of basketball that was on display tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 02, 2007, 10:27:55 pm
Big game tomorrow in the OAC with JCU and BW going at it.  This is the second year in a row that the home game for JCU has been scheduled during Christmas break for the students.  This makes zero sense.  When the students are around, the atmosphere for the JCU/BW games (at Carroll anyway) is electric.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on January 03, 2007, 09:54:20 pm
Final from New Concord - ONU 69  Muskingum 57
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 04, 2007, 10:28:30 am
Final from Cleveland Heights:

B-W - 80
JCU - 73

Congrats to Tori Davis who, with his 18 points scored last night, moved up 2 spots on B-W's all time scoring list to 3rd with 1,873 points.  He currently trails his older brother Thad by just 48 points to take over 2nd on the list.  And he only trails B-W's all-time scoring leader, Dean Martin ('69-'73) by 189 points to become the schools all-time leading scorer!

Seeing that Tori is currently averaging just over 20 ppg, with 12 regular season games left, plus OAC tournament and possibly NCAA tournament games, I see no reason, if Tori stays healthy, that this record shouldn't fall!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2007, 11:36:14 am
Congrats to Tori Davis who, with his 18 points scored last night, moved up 2 spots on B-W's all time scoring list to 3rd with 1,873 points.  He currently trails his older brother Thad by just 48 points to take over 2nd on the list.  And he only trails B-W's all-time scoring leader, Dean Martin ('69-'73) by 189 points to become the schools all-time leading scorer!

Yes, but can Tori Davis shoot while holding a martini glass?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 04, 2007, 12:36:12 pm
Yes, but can Tori Davis shoot while holding a martini glass?  :D
I figured as much from you David! ;)  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2007, 05:25:14 pm
Congrats to Tori Davis who, with his 18 points scored last night, moved up 2 spots on B-W's all time scoring list to 3rd with 1,873 points.  He currently trails his older brother Thad by just 48 points to take over 2nd on the list.  And he only trails B-W's all-time scoring leader, Dean Martin ('69-'73) by 189 points to become the schools all-time leading scorer!

Yes, but can Tori Davis shoot while holding a martini glass?  :D

Dino drank highballs, not martinis.

(Probably because it's easier to dribble a basketball without spilling anything if you're drinking out of a highball glass.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 05, 2007, 11:12:32 am
Tough game for Carroll.  BW's 2-3 really shut down the paint.  Carroll didn't play a very good game but managed to keep it close so I'm optomistic for the next match up.  Also, I'll say it again...when is this game going to stop being scheduled on Christmas break?  Just because BW never fills up more than half of their cavernous gym doesn't mean you need to take away the home court advantage that a packed DeCarlo Center gives the Streaks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2007, 03:42:14 pm
Capital is outplaying ONU in the first half at Ada, and the PBs are in foul trouble to boot, but they're far from out of it.  Crusaders lead 35-24 at the half.  Badenhop had 0 points in the first half. 

UPDATE:  ONU scores the first 5 points of the second half to cut the lead to 35-29.
UPDATE:  47-34 Cap., 12:21 left.  Gehle with 18 for ONU, it seems he's keeping the PB's in the game.
UPDATE:  Capital leads 53-44, 9:00 left, and the ONU announcers are displeased with the officiating.  The WONB webcast include a live video feed of the studio, where the student working the board seems somewhat less than interested in the game.  It's a little voyeuristic; I hope he doesn't do anything embarrassing. :)
UPDATE:  Gehle sinks a 3 to close the gap to 58-53, under 6:00 left.  Gehle has 24 points.  Now Cannan scores on the back door, and ONU is within 3 for the first time since I tuned in.  Timeout, Capital, 4:54 left.
UPDATE:  The ONU announcers have lost patience with the officials.  ONU is plagued with turnoveritis, and Capital has reopened their lead, now up to 10 points with 2:50 left.
UPDATE:  ONU is fouling now, and the crowd is leaving.  Capital is going to pull off the upset.
UPDATE:  Capital wins, 68-57.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2007, 05:51:43 pm
B-W wins at Muskingum 74-61.  B-W and Capital are now tied for the conference lead at 5-1; ONU one game back at 4-2, to be joined by the Heidelberg/Otterbein winner and JCU if they can beat Marietta.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 06, 2007, 07:04:20 pm
And the topsy turvy world that is the OAC continues... :o

Who would've guessed that B-W would now be tied with Cap for the lead in this conference after today?  And B-W has already won @ONU and @JCU so it appears that they might be a tad in the driver's seat???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 06, 2007, 07:21:34 pm
After a couple down years, it would appear the OAC is re-establishing itself as the best league in the Great Lakes Region.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 06, 2007, 10:21:15 pm
All the OAC 1/6 Final Scores:

Capital 68  Ohio Northern 57 (corrected the typo, Cap had 68)
Baldwin-Wallace 74  Muskie 61
John Carroll 87  Marietta 71
Heidelberg 95  Otterbein 77
Wilmington 80  Mount Union 60

Cap and BW are both 5-1
ONU, JCU and Heidelberg are all 4-2
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 06, 2007, 11:32:41 pm
I never would've guessed that Heide woud be tied with ONU and JCU for 2nd in the conference at this point in the season?! :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 06, 2007, 11:48:23 pm
All the OAC 1/6 Final Scores:

Capital 58  Ohio Northern 57

Cap and BW are both 5-1
ONU, JCU and Heidelberg are all 4-2

wooscotsfan, that's Capital 68, Ohio Northern 57, I think.  ONU's second double-digit loss at home this year.  Maybe they should stick to road games, with wins at Witt and at Woo already!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2007, 11:52:44 pm
No, the Witt win was in Ada.

Heidelberg's 3-2 consists of wins over Musky, MUC, and Ott, the latter two on the road, and losses to ONU and Capital, both at home.  I'd be surprised if they hang near the top much longer, as they have JCU, B-WC, and ONU among their next five opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 07, 2007, 10:53:30 am
Congrats to Baldwin-Wallace Coach Steve Bankson who picked up his 400th careeer win last night!  :)  He has coached 27 seasons at B-W.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on January 07, 2007, 10:14:22 pm
sac-what two NCAC teams are in the top 10 again?
what OAC team made the final four last year?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 10:46:33 pm
sac-what two NCAC teams are in the top 10 again?
what OAC team made the final four last year?

Two great teams does not a solid conference make.  Until some folks start CONSISTENTLY challenging Woo and Witt, the NCAC will be the Big Ten of the 70s - the Big Two and the Little Eight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 08, 2007, 12:22:19 am
I had alittle to much time on my hands today so i was looking at the NCAC's record vs. the OAC this season. I wasn't at all surprised to see that the OAC dominated winning 12 of the 16 games played this year between the 2 leauges. I didnt look back any further then this year but i'm willing to bet its been about the same for atleast the last 4 or 5 years. Witt and Wooster are very good teams and would probably finish in the top 5 of the OAC but top to bottom there is no comparison between the 2 leauges. This years Muskingum team is a perfect example. 0-6 in leauge play so far and tied for last but they have 3 wins against NCAC schools this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2007, 03:29:05 am
Witt and Wooster are very good teams and would probably finish in the top 5 of the OAC

"Probably"? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 08, 2007, 08:13:00 am
Witt and Wooster are very good teams and would probably finish in the top 5 of the OAC

"Probably"? ???

I think they would both finish in the top five!  What wouldn't happen, however, was guarantee a spot for the the two of them in the league championship game year in and year out.  I've said for the past few years that the NCAC might as well eliminate the conference tournament and save Witt and Wooster the risk of injury in meaningless games.  I wish there was a place where I could put some money on who would make the NCAC championship game before the season...I'd be a rich man.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 08, 2007, 11:30:34 am
I think they would both finish in the top five!  What wouldn't happen, however, was guarantee a spot for the the two of them in the league championship game year in and year out.  I've said for the past few years that the NCAC might as well eliminate the conference tournament and save Witt and Wooster the risk of injury in meaningless games.  I wish there was a place where I could put some money on who would make the NCAC championship game before the season...I'd be a rich man.

You might get rich betting on Wooster, which has been in the last 10 title games (probably not, since the odds would be so small), but betting on Witt is a more risky proposition.  Witt has faced Wooster in the last three title games, but was in only ("only") 3 of the prior 7, the same number as Allegheny over that span. 

Basketball23, rest assured that you won't find any serious argument against the proposition that the OAC is a deeper and stronger league top-to-bottom, and has been that way pretty much every year since the Five Colleges of Ohio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Colleges_of_Ohio) left to form the NCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 08, 2007, 12:12:46 pm
After a couple down years, it would appear the OAC is re-establishing itself as the best league in the Great Lakes Region.
When were the down years?  Even if you consider the last couple of years down years, it would still be tough to argue another conference in the GL Region as being tougher top to bottom than the OAC. 

sac-what two NCAC teams are in the top 10 again?
what OAC team made the final four last year?
This isn't really a valid argument either.  Bball23 puts it in perspective with the overall record of the OAC vs. the NCAC and that includes ONU going 2-0 vs. Witt and Woo and the Ploar Bears aren't even in 1st place in the OAC anymore. :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 08, 2007, 01:07:22 pm
Statistically speaking the MIAA was the top rated conference in the Great Lakes for the last 3 years.  OAC #2  NCAC #3.  Non-conf wins and L's included.

The OAC has been a little off its game the last couple years, that seems to be changing this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on January 09, 2007, 05:41:33 pm
i guess we'll ahve to wait for the NCAA tournament to settle this little argument
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 09, 2007, 06:53:10 pm
Not so much an argument as an observation......and opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 10, 2007, 02:15:54 pm
i guess we'll ahve to wait for the NCAA tournament to settle this little argument

I don't think that will settle it.  Yes, two teams from the NCAC are going to get in (barring injury or Van de Veldian collapse), and those two teams probably will have some success, but that doesn't make the NCAC a better conference than the OAC.  The only thing that would truly "settle" it, I suppose was to match each team up and have them play...but I think even the biggest fan of the NCAC knows that that would most likely end in a very lopsided OAC victory...after all Wittenberg and Wooster can only win so many games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 10, 2007, 02:40:22 pm
+K for the Jean Van De Velde reference. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 02:41:18 pm
i guess we'll ahve to wait for the NCAA tournament to settle this little argument

I don't think that will settle it.  Yes, two teams from the NCAC are going to get in (barring injury or Van de Veldian collapse), and those two teams probably will have some success, but that doesn't make the NCAC a better conference than the OAC.  The only thing that would truly "settle" it, I suppose was to match each team up and have them play...but I think even the biggest fan of the NCAC knows that that would most likely end in a very lopsided OAC victory...after all Wittenberg and Wooster can only win so many games.

...and Ohio Northern beat them both this year.

Any way you slice it, the OAC is the better league.  They're deeper and more competitive than the NCAC by all accounts.  The top of the NCAC is often as good or better than the top of the OAC, but ONU has at least put that into question this year.  Furthermore, the OAC has been every bit as successful as the NCAC in the NCAA tournament in recent years.  Witt finished 2nd last year, and Wooster 3rd in 2003, but Otterbein won the 2002 title, and JCU finished 3rd in 2005...beating both Wooster and Wittenberg along the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 10, 2007, 03:51:27 pm
Quote
beating both Wooster and Wittenberg along the way

*cough* AT Wittenberg (2 years in a row) and AT Wooster I might add *cough*.  Sorry, something in my throat.  Carry on.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 04:08:43 pm
Sorry if this NCAC fan didn't praise the OAC loudly enough to suit you, Toph.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 10, 2007, 04:24:54 pm
We could talk about JCU's bad season last year or the fact that Wittenberg won the national championship only to lose it in the final seconds if that suits you better.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on January 10, 2007, 10:10:47 pm
Final from Wilmington - Polar Bears 63   Quakers 62
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 10, 2007, 10:14:51 pm
All the 1/10 OAC Final Scores:

Ohio Northern 63  Wilmington 62
Mount Union 84  Capital 74 (Cap is upset at home)
Otterbein 83  Baldwin-Wallace 74 (B-W is upset at home)
Heidelberg 84  John Carroll 80
Marietta 63  Musky 51

Now have a 4 way tie for first place with ONU, Cap, B-W and the Berg all at 5-2 in OAC play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 10, 2007, 10:47:15 pm
Whew, glad we do a pick-em for the NCAC...this league would drive me up a wall!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 11:13:17 pm
Oh, come on, scotsbrod, EVERYONE knew that Heidelberg was the team to beat in the OAC this season!  ;) :D :o :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 11, 2007, 12:11:51 am
Oh, come on, scotsbrod, EVERYONE knew that Heidelberg was the team to beat in the OAC this season!  ;) :D :o :)

I must have missed that memo.   ::)

 :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 11, 2007, 09:14:27 am
Mount Union 84  Capital 74 (Cap is upset at home)
For those of you out there who like to say that Team A beat Team B and Team B beat Team C so Team A must be better than Team C, this score just goes to show, comparing scores doesn't work much.  Wooster beat MUC by 25 in the opening weekend of the season.  Capital beats ONU last weekend by 11 in Ada.  MUC then goes to Cap and slaps a 10 point loss on the Crusaders.  Meanwhile, ONU beat Wooster at Timken over the Holidays?!  Go figure??? ::)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 11, 2007, 12:04:37 pm
Playing the who beat who game to try and determine which team is the best is an exercise in futility. Some nights a team brings their "A" game and some nights they don't. It is as simple as that. Great teams just bring their "A" game with greater consistency than merely "good" teams. The real mystery in life is that in almost any sporting event, be it individual sporting events such as golf or tennis or team events such as football or basketball even the participants never know until the "game is on" which level of their game they have with them that particular time out...How  often have you participated in an event and could do no wrong and defeated an opponent that might have taken you down the last ten times you met....but not this time....does that make you a superior player?  Of course not, but you were for that space in time. I guess that's why we have play-offs...Everwhere except division 1 football of course.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on January 11, 2007, 01:51:23 pm
One Fan has it right.  In the OAC there is more parity than in the NCAC.  If you don't bring your A game and the other guy does, you're going to lose.  In the NCAC Witt and Wooster can bring their B games and in some cases even their C games and still get a W. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on January 13, 2007, 02:58:05 pm
Playing the who beat who game to try and determine which team is the best is an exercise in futility.

One year, the sports editor of the Springfield Sun used comparative scores to "prove" that Wittenberg was 156 points better than Ohio State in football.

I could have gone for 125, but, to be realistic, 156 was just too many.  :D

TigerFan_1973
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 13, 2007, 05:47:49 pm
JCU upends #4 Ohio Northern in University Hts., 63-61.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 13, 2007, 06:38:58 pm
1/13 OAC Final Scores:

John Carroll 63  Ohio Northern 61
Wilmington 95  Baldwin-Wallace 88 OT (home loss for Jackets)
Heidelberg 74  Marietta 70
Muskingum 66  Capital 54 (first OAC win for Muskie)
Otterbein 77  Mount Union 61

Guess who is in sole first place?   HEIDELBERG at 6-2

ONU, JCU, B-W, CAP, OTT are now all 5-3
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on January 13, 2007, 10:22:51 pm
Anyone who says that this is not the most exciting basketball league in the country is just crazy... what other team can go and beat the number one and number 6 team in the country in the same week and then come back and lose two in a row in thier own league play to unranked teams... but  the worst thing about this league is that we beat up on eachother so much that even in our best years like this one the OAC will only get one team in. (yes i know in the 04-05 season BW and JC got in)That can also be a blessing because come tournament time we are so used to haveing to show up every single day that OAC teams always seem to do well in the tournament. They should start an OAC Reality show, cause there is more then enough drama to keep even the smallest sports fan interested.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 13, 2007, 10:31:26 pm
I think the CCIW will end up being as equally crazy..........the OAC has a giant head start though. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 13, 2007, 11:01:15 pm
Guess who is in sole first place?   HEIDELBERG at 6-2

ONU, JCU, B-W, CAP, OTT are now all 5-3


Oh, come on, scotsbrod wooscotsfan, EVERYONE knew that Heidelberg was the team to beat in the OAC this season!  ;) :D :o :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 14, 2007, 05:40:31 pm
If this keeps up we are going to have one of the most entertaining OAC tournaments in recent memory.  Who the hell knows what could happen!!?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2007, 03:22:29 am
I think the CCIW will end up being as equally crazy..........the OAC has a giant head start though. ;)

True, although Elmhurst is still poised to lap the field in the CCIW if the Bluejays can stay hot. But one thing you have to keep in mind in terms of league topsi-turviness is that it is an honored tradition in the OAC. This is, after all, the league where one year seeds six thru ten swept seeds one thru five in the opening round of the conference tournament. The CCIW doesn't have a tradition for parity and unpredictability that's anything like that -- nor does any other league in all of D3, I suspect. It's part of what makes the OAC so much fun to follow, even from a distance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 15, 2007, 08:15:26 am
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the league where one year seeds six thru ten swept seeds one thru five in the opening round of the conference tournament.

Your point is well taken, but a quick correction is in order.  Only the top 8 teams make the conference tournament in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 15, 2007, 11:12:05 am
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the league where one year seeds six thru ten swept seeds one thru five in the opening round of the conference tournament.

Your point is well taken, but a quick correction is in order.  Only the top 8 teams make the conference tournament in the OAC.

Starting in 2005.....prior to that everyone made the OAC tournament.

Greg is also refering to the 1998 OAC tournament.....

First Round
#7 Capital 76 #10 Hiram 59
#8 Marietta 80 #9 Heidelberg 67

Quarterfinal

#8 Marietta 61 #1 John Carroll 59
#7 Capital 69 #2 Ohio Northern 66
#5 Otterbein 76 #4  Muskingum 54
#6 Baldwin-Wallace 72  #3 Mt. Union 69

Semi Final
#6 Baldwin Wallace 96 #7 Capital 83
#5 Otterbein 86 #8 Marietta 68

Final
#6 Baldwin-Wallace 83 #5 Otterbein 80

Truely a tournament for the ages.  1996 was pretty wild to with #7, 9 , 4  and 3 in the semi's.  #4 BW beat #7 Marietta that year.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2007, 12:00:14 pm
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the league where one year seeds six thru ten swept seeds one thru five in the opening round of the conference tournament.

Your point is well taken, but a quick correction is in order.  Only the top 8 teams make the conference tournament in the OAC.

Ohhhhhhhhhh, you gotta know your history, son. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2007, 12:09:53 pm
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the league where one year seeds six thru ten swept seeds one thru five in the opening round of the conference tournament.

Your point is well taken, but a quick correction is in order.  Only the top 8 teams make the conference tournament in the OAC.

Ohhhhhhhhhh, you gotta know your history, son. :)

Especially when 'correcting' a HoFer!  I learned that the hard way my first couple of years. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 15, 2007, 12:57:33 pm
My mistake everybody.  The first time I read it I missed the fact that he was talking about a specific year.  I thought he was speaking in general terms. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 15, 2007, 01:05:00 pm
For whatever it's worth, I didn't realize that the OAC had excised those 7/10 and 8/9 games.   :(:)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 15, 2007, 01:48:55 pm
For whatever it's worth, I didn't realize that the OAC had excised those 7/10 and 8/9 games.   :(:)

Me neither, which is why I looked up the OAC tournament history, I distinctly remember discussions about the 7,8,9, 10 matchups.  I wasn't trying to show anybody up.  Plus I remember the tournament GS was refering to so I just had to look that one up to.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 15, 2007, 02:17:23 pm
I was a student at Carroll when they made the change from everybody to only the top 8.  I can see benefits of both systems.  If everybody gets in it's a true "second season" where everyone has a chance to make it to the big dance (without looking...I wonder how many 9 or 10 seeds ever ran the table).  With the 8 team system it makes the regular season that much more important.  If you don't take care of business in the regular season you don't get any shot at the tournament.

One thing is for sure, the OAC tournament has often provided me (and many other basketball fans) with some very entertaining (and very surprising) games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on January 15, 2007, 06:39:56 pm
I'm looking forward to seeing the poll when it comes out.

This is an interesting situation.  Last week ONU was 4 and Wooster was 5.  Since ONU lost, it will be interesting to see how ONU and Wooster rank, given that Wooster lost to ONU.

By the way, I posted the same comment in the NCAC thread.  Is it possible to automatically do that.  I thought it was OK to do it, since my comment was related to teams in both conferences.

TigerFan_73


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 17, 2007, 10:05:49 pm
All the 1/17 OAC Final Scores:

Heidelberg 75  Baldwin-Wallace 72
Ohio Northern 79  Otterbein 70
John Carroll 83  Mount Union 72
Capital 67  Marietta 41
Wilmington 65  Muskingum 55

So.....Heidelberg is now 7-2 in first place

Ohio Northern, John Carroll and Capital are all 6-3

Baldwin-Wallace, Wilmington and Otterbein are all 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2007, 11:35:38 pm
Holy jumpin' cats.... :o

I've got to find a way to go see this Heidelberg team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 18, 2007, 12:15:16 am
David -- don't get too excited....yet. :)

The Berg still has 4 very tough road games left on their schedule -- ONU, B-W, JCU and CAP!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 18, 2007, 09:34:12 am
David -- don't get too excited....yet. :)

The Berg still has 4 very tough road games left on their schedule -- ONU, B-W, JCU and CAP!
Everyone keeps saying this about Heide and yet all they do is keep proving everyone wrong!  After all, this is a team that was picked 8th in the preseason OAC poll ahead of just MUC and Marietta!  I keep waiting for the clock to strike midnight too, but the Student Princes just keep finding a way to make time stop! :)

With a look at the upcoming road games for the Berg however, time may be running out for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 18, 2007, 10:20:27 am
Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  I don't care if it was at home, beating BW is HUGE for the Berg (ask JCU about beating BW at home)!  If things keep going like this there is no chance that I miss that Princes at Streaks matchup on the 7th!  It is worth noting that Carroll was down by 16 at the half against Mount...quite the comeback.  When does Heidelberg start getting looks in the top 25? :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 18, 2007, 11:38:17 am
When does Heidelberg start getting looks in the top 25? :o

This week, I think, if they beat Wilma.  They won't crack the top 25, but they'll get some support, say 30 votes or so.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 18, 2007, 06:20:03 pm
  When does Heidelberg start getting looks in the top 25? :o
Maybe they don't want the recognition.  They seem to be doing just fine flying under the radar. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 20, 2007, 05:35:26 pm
More parity and upsets in the OAC today - 1/20 Final Scores:

Marietta 72  Ohio Northern 68 (Huge Upset, Pioneers 1st OAC win)
Wilmington 89  Heidelberg 71 (First Place team loses at home)
Baldwin-Wallace 81  Capital 78
Muskingum 65  Mount Union 61
John Carroll 70  Otterbein 68

Heidelberg and John Carroll are both 7-3
ONU, B-W, CAP and Wilmington are all 6-4
Otterbein is now 5-5
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on January 21, 2007, 09:52:39 pm
i dont think i'll ever figure out this league
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 21, 2007, 09:57:17 pm
i dont think i'll ever figure out this league

If you've got a coin handy, you can just flip that.  Might clear things up a bit.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 22, 2007, 08:32:28 am
i dont think i'll ever figure out this league

I don't think it's that tough to figure out.  If you don't play your best basketball every night, you're probably going to get beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 23, 2007, 10:53:44 am
Only one team from the OAC (a second place team at that) is still in the top 25 and nobody else is even receiving votes??  What in the wide world of sports is going on here? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 12:45:54 pm
When your league figures itself out then we'll figure it out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 24, 2007, 10:49:55 pm
All the OAC 1/24 Final Scores:

John Carroll 65  Muskingum 63
Ohio Northern 83  Heidelberg 80
Baldwin-Wallace 84  Mount Union 66
Capital 73  Wilmington 65
Otterbein 78  Marietta 69

So, the current standings look like this:

John Carroll in first place at 8-3
ONU, Heide, B-W, CAP are all at 7-4
Wilm and OTT are at 6-5
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 24, 2007, 11:00:56 pm
Wow!  Almost a sense of normalcy in the OAC tonight! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2007, 11:03:17 pm
Completing the standings,
MUC and Musky are 3-8
Marietta is 1-10 (but the one was ONU)

It's not good to be an 'M' in the OAC!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 25, 2007, 08:50:30 am
I actually had a chance to go to the Carroll/Musky game last night.  A few notes--

-Carroll jumped out to a 10-0 lead and led by 9 at the half. 

-Musky was able to control the tempo and bring themselves back into it.  The second half was practically a wrestling match.  Both teams were in the bonus before the 10 minute mark.

-As bad as Muskingum played offensively (I'm really not sure what they try to accomplish on the offensive end, they were getting absolutely horrible looks at the basket) they played very tough, physical defense.  I was impressed at the way their team refused to go down.

-I was surprised that John Carroll didn't take better advantage of having a player like Mimes in the post.  Once the score tightened up (and Carroll even trailed for a few possesions late in the game) they started feeding him more on the block, but up to that point he was not the focus of the offense.  When you have a player like Mimes and your opponent has no one even in the same galaxy in terms of ability, you have to use that to your advantage.

-Only in the OAC can you see a player leave a game with a very large cut above his eye from an elbow with no foul call.  Moran got as hot as I've seen him in quite awhile after that.  I can only imagine what the folks from Wooster would've said about the refs had it been one of their players.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 25, 2007, 11:49:17 am
-Only in the OAC can you see a player leave a game with a very large cut above his eye from an elbow with no foul call.  Moran got as hot as I've seen him in quite awhile after that.  I can only imagine what the folks from Wooster would've said about the refs had it been one of their players.  :P
First of all, in regards to the elbow incident, is it any surprise that this type of an act occur in an OAC game?  I mean, I would think it would be a fairly regular occurance as brutlal as some of the teams are in that league.  I would also think you would be used to these types of occurances by now toph. 

Second of all, in regards to your little jab towards Wooster folks, a similar situation did occur in the Wittenberg game earlier this season when Tim Vandervaart was playing post defense on Borchers (I believe that's who it was or it could have been Hemenway).  Vandervaart went down with a bloddy nose and the ref proceeded to call a pf on Vandervaart to boot.  At least your guy didn't get the pf called on him as well for taking an elbow to the face.

ps, thanks for your comedic contributions to the board toph.  You might have a future in it???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 25, 2007, 02:00:54 pm
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ps, thanks for your comedic contributions to the board toph.  You might have a future in it???

No future in comedy that I know of. 


I wasn't complaining about the no call.  I was merely commenting on the style of play.  The second half was as physical a game as I've seen in awhile, which really helped the fighting fish because Carroll couldn't get out and run against them.



As for the elbow to the nose incident...

I'm surprised no one claimed that the referee was seen leaving Dane Borchers' dorm room with a huge wad of cash.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on January 25, 2007, 04:34:27 pm
actually toph this did stir up a big controversy among other things calling wittenberg dirty and disgracing the university after the game and the discussion about this foul and dirty play. Imagine what it would have been like if wooste rhad actually lost.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 25, 2007, 04:38:33 pm
penn-
I'm making a joke about a three year old beef that some Wooster fans have with JCU.  The last thing I want is to have some sort of Woo-Witt border war come over to the OAC board, even if it would bring a little life.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2007, 04:44:13 pm
If it's Wooster fans who have the beef, why is it that you're the only one who ever brings it up? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 25, 2007, 04:49:07 pm
If it's Wooster fans who have the beef, why is it that you're the only one who ever brings it up? ???

To make jokes and hopefully get a few laughs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 25, 2007, 05:35:24 pm
I'm making a joke about a three year old beef that some Wooster fans have with JCU. 

To quote that famously bad Wendy's ad campaign, "Where's the beef???"   I don't seem to remember this subject brought up by anyone other than yourself.  I'm glad to know that you're keeping tabs on the whole situation since there seems to be 'some' Wooster fans that supposedly still have a 3 year old 'beef' with JCU. ::)

To make jokes and hopefully get a few laughs.
And you said you weren't looking for a future in the comedic arts... 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 26, 2007, 09:15:24 am
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To make jokes and hopefully get a few laughs.

And you said you weren't looking for a future in the comedic arts...

Clearly I don't have one!   ;D

While we're on the subject of referees I forgot to mention that a major play in Wednesday's game against Muskingum was with JCU leading by one and something like 3 seconds left Brandon Mimes took a charge to give the ball back to JCU, Moran got fouled on the inbound and missed the second free throw on purpose since Musky was out of timeouts (a very smart play, I might add, with 1.6 seconds left there was no way Muskingum was going to get a shot...I think Pete might make a good coach one day). 

Obviously, the fish fans went nuts, screaming that it should've been a block and hurling the usual "what year did you graduate from JCU" type insults at the officials.  If only they had been paying attention to head coach Geno "Mr. Basketball '93" Ford (who I liked as a player and assistant, but won't judge as a head coach yet) who turned to one of his assistants and said "It was a charge."

Still, a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 26, 2007, 09:26:46 am
If only they had been paying attention to head coach Geno "Mr. Basketball '93" Ford (who I liked as a player and assistant, but won't judge as a head coach yet) who turned to one of his assistants and said "It was a charge."
Great point.  I have been watching Coach Moore's reactions to questionable calls and it's quite telling.  It's funny to watch the player's reactions after a call goes against them and their immediate denial.  Then they look to the bench for support and it's not there and the protest stops.  Coach Moore will let it be known when he thinks the refs make a bad call, but if he feels they made the right call, even if his player doesn't agree, he backs the officials and usually the player follows suit.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 27, 2007, 08:13:10 pm
All the OAC 1/27 Final Scores:

Capital 89  John Carroll 82 (First place team loses again)
Ohio Northern 83  Baldwin-Wallace 74
Heidelberg 75  Mount Union 62
Otterbein 80  Muskingum 79
Wilmington 67  Marietta 64

So, another 4 way tie for 1st Place... :)

CAP, Heide, JCU and ONU are all 8-4
B-W, OTT and Wilm are all 7-5
Mount and Musky are both 3-9
Marietta is 1-11
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 27, 2007, 08:23:58 pm
I really can't believe we don't have more posters from this conference. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 27, 2007, 08:45:40 pm
I really can't believe we don't have more posters from this conference. :-\

I will second that sentiment since about half the posts on this board are from NCAC or MIAA fans!  :o 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 27, 2007, 10:11:46 pm
I am aware of quite a few fans that read the posts but have not bothered or are just not interested in posting their viewpoints online....To each his own....but I am also mystified as to why there are not more posts from OAC fans. Along that same line of thinking, I recently had a discussion with a Capital fan concerning what we consider to be less than stellar fan support in the OAC in general. I attended the ONU/Heidelberg game Wednesday night in Ada and would estimate there were less than 700 people there for a game against what was then a co-.'. conference leader. ONU has over 3500 students and I believe of the seven hundred less than 150 were students...Pretty sad considering ONU has been hanging in or near the top ten all season.  What is the fan support like in the other DIII conferences? Anyone know?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 27, 2007, 10:49:09 pm
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/m_basketball/attendance/2006_basketball_attend.pdf

its a pdf file so you'll need adobe.

The OAC is listed 5th in conference attendance.  Otterbein leads the way for the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 28, 2007, 10:16:37 am
Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 28, 2007, 04:40:24 pm
I hate to put this out there but I'm wary of Otterbein's attendance numbers.  I have been to games at Otterbein that couldn't have had more than 600-700 people in attendance and the official attendance on the boxscore would be near capacity.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 28, 2007, 08:01:26 pm
Interesting observation....I am somewhat surprised that the Cardinals lead the OAC in attendance. I have been to numerous games at Otterbein over the years and I certainly haven't noticed increased attendance there over other venues. I guess somebody has to be first attendance wise but I wouldn't have guessed them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 28, 2007, 08:47:53 pm
However, my very limited experience tells me that Muskingum at #2 in the conference is believable.  I've been to three or four games there this season, and the crowds have generally been good.  The JCU game was about 3/4 full, which I wasn't expecting, and they were vocal.  Not bad for a lower-division team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 28, 2007, 10:54:20 pm
I assume the attendance figures are the reponsibility of the host school and as such are really not that reliable if someone was inclined to inflate them for some reason???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 29, 2007, 09:13:16 am
I assume the attendance figures are the reponsibility of the host school and as such are really not that reliable if someone was inclined to inflate them for some reason???

Attendance figures are the responsibility of the host school and are sometimes simply estimates.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on January 29, 2007, 10:38:07 pm
Yes they are for the most part estimates at every school. But one thing you have to look at is the size of the gym. A small crowd at Ott would be a big crowd at muskie just because muskie probably only seats about 1800 where Ott seats about 3000. That is like compairing the seating capacity of woosters gym too that of hiram. A large crowd there at Hiram would be a pathetic crowd at Wooster. Its all the prospective of the gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on January 29, 2007, 10:40:50 pm
You also have to look at the location of a school too. Westerville a Columbus suburb has a lot larger fan base then say ONU and Ada.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 30, 2007, 08:29:43 am
I think you might want to reread what I wrote.  I've been to Otterbein several times.  Most of the time there weren't more than 600-700 people at the gym, but the listed attendance would be nearly 2000.  It has nothing to do with perspective based on gym size or the fact that Westerville is a Columbus suburb.  The numbers just don't add up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 30, 2007, 12:52:07 pm
You also have to look at the location of a school too. Westerville a Columbus suburb has a lot larger fan base then say ONU and Ada.
You could also make an argument against the locals up in Ada to the fact that there really isn't a whole lot else to do up there.  Whereas, there is plenty to keep you occupied other than attending Ott baskeball games in the Columbus area.

As for why Ott feels the need to inflate their attendance figures, it's really anybody's guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 30, 2007, 10:31:06 pm
I think the argument about Otterbein having a larger fan base and therefore larger crowds is only valid to a certain point. If you look at attendance figures over the years, rather valid or not you will find ONU  figures fall in line at about fourth in the conference year in and year out,while being located in the smallest population area in the conference. I think at least one other factor needs to be considered,that being the quality of the  product being put on the floor. A winning program draws crowds,pure and simple. You can see it at almost any level of any sport. It is just human nature to follow a winner. Over the course of a successful season the crowds grow. You see people at games that you never see during an average year. As to Otterbein's attendance figures....I don't care what size their gymnasium is, I don't believe their numbers....I too have attended numerous games there over the years and there is just no way they draw that many more people than the rest of the conference. In fact, I think they could increase their attendance if they would rid themselves of the obnoxious PA guy. His attempts to be "the show" are extremely irritating to me, but I suppose the home crowd loves it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 30, 2007, 10:42:45 pm
Muskingum is not very near any population centers (somewhat near Zanesville, but...) and they have no tradition of success in hoops, and yet they draw well.  Maybe the "there's nothing else to do there" argument applies to the metropolis of Cambridge/New Concord.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2007, 10:54:33 pm
I might chime into this attendance debate after I go see ONU-Otterbein tomorrow night.  I'll give the best breakdown I can of where ONU (and Otterbein, for that matter) stand at this point in the season.

I'm just another NCAC fan trying to keep intelligent chatter happening here in the mostly desolate OAC room....and I will third sac's sentiments from earlier, this is a conference deserving of a more lively debate by posters from all the various schools of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 31, 2007, 08:28:48 am
For those of you who have cable companies that carry it and don't have a game to go to...tonight's Mount Union at JCU game will be broadcast live on SportsTime Ohio.  7:30 tip.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 31, 2007, 04:05:36 pm
Can't say as though I agree that the Muskies draw well. Their numbers are up over the last three years, but prior to that they averaged less than 500 fans per home game from 2001 through 2004...My recollection is that they didn't show outstanding numbers prior to 2000 either.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 04:31:05 pm
Well, I'd never been there before this season (at least, not in 25 years or so), and I'm only going on what I've seen this year and what they reported last year.  I can't imagine why they draw as well as they do, although their games tend to be close (like most OAC games), and they do have three Cambridge High grads on the roster; maybe they have big families.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 31, 2007, 04:45:54 pm
Local kids on the roster certainly don't hurt  the gate.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on January 31, 2007, 09:25:07 pm
Final from Westerville:  Polar Bears 66  Otters 63  OT
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 31, 2007, 10:03:19 pm
All the OAC 1/31 Final Scores:

John Carroll 85  Mount Union 66
Capital 65  Marietta 52
Ohio Northern 66  Otterbein 63 OT
Muskingum 71  Wilmington 67 OT
Baldwin-Wallace 93  Heidelberg 80

So, we have a 3 way tie for first place:

JCU, ONU and CAP are all 9-4
B-W and Heide are both 8-5
OTT and Wilm are both 7-6
Musky is 4-9
MTU is 3-10
Marietta at 1-12
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 31, 2007, 10:05:54 pm
Milestone from the B-W vs. Heidelberg game tonight:

Baldwin-Wallace's senior Tori Davis became the Yellow Jackets all time leading scorer.  Congrats to Tori who now stands at 2,066 career points! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 01, 2007, 12:12:31 am
Attended the ONU/Otterbein game tonight. Northern pulls it out in OT...neither team played well offensively the first half. ONU shot 37%and the Cardinals a dismal 28%. Northern looked out of sync and Otterbein appeared to be uninterested....I have the total in attendance somewhere around the 525 to 600figure. It will be interesting to see what they post. Anything over 650 would be a stretch. Can any of the three teams left with four losses keep from losing one more before the end of the season? WHEW!!! What a season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 01, 2007, 02:01:32 am
Ohio Northern University 66, Otterbein College 63 (OT)

ONU emerges with a victory...somehow.  Here are my comments from seeing this one tonight at the Rike Center:

I got to see 45 minutes of basketball tonight, but I don't feel like this game really began until the 15:00 minute mark of the second half.  Why?  Both teams struggled mightly on the offensive end in the first half- Otterbein was particuarly poor, shooting only 5-21, 23% for the entire half!  ONU didn't really outshine them much, making 11-30, 36%.  Defensive play was tight and also somewhat scrappy- a lot of little reach-ins and slaps at the basketball by the gaurds led to some poke away steals, for example.  Both sides kept enough pressure on the opposing guards that neither offense seemed to be flowing well.  Passing lanes were well covered and the guards were having trouble finding anyone who was truly open.  Often, guard penetration ended up in desperation "shots"- that is, the type of shot a guard flings up after he realizes that he is flying into the lane out of control and needs to do something with the basketball.

Otterbein's attempted offensive plan for most of the game appeared to be to feed Tyler Ousley in the post and/or allow Ross Banaszak to drive the lane and dish or fling up aforementioned desperation shot.  In the first half, at least, this led to, well, nothing really.  Ousley was 2-8 in the post for the half in part because he never seemed to be willing to pass back out when he received a doubleteam, and Banaszak tried too hard to force shots off his drives as well.

ONU, for their part, was more mobile on offense, with guards running more patterns (including a built-in backdoor cut), but again the tight defensive pressure out front kept their guards from seeing the floor well and making good passes.  ONU was also hampered by foul trouble on Kurtis Brown, starting PG, because of early and often foul trouble (see scrappy guard play, above.  Brown played only 8 total minutes in this game).

Otterbein cut the lead to 5 (25-20) with their only made 3 of the 1st half with under a minute to play, but ONU's Greg Badenhop drilled a 3 with about 2 seconds left to extend the lead back to 8 for halftime(20-28), matching the largest lead by either team in the game.

Finally, though, the game opened up a bit and gained a bit of flow in the second half.  Otterbein made the right adjustments:  instead of Ousley forcing the shot, he passed back out and the Cardinals found the open man and drilled 3 straight 3 pointers to turn an 8 point defict into a 1 point lead.  It stayed neck-and-neck until late, when Otterbein pushed to a 5 point lead with only 4:38 left and then a 4 point lead with 2:21.  They played a much better half than ONU and the contest was rightfully theirs, but they couldn't close the deal.  Otterbein missed shots, allowed an offensive rebound for ONU, and, after Badenhop tied it with 20 ticks left, didn't manage to even get a last-second shot taken because the ball was stripped out as Ousley tried to dribble across the lane.

Both teams traded baskets in the OT until Ousley missed the first half of a one-and-one with under a minute left and ONU rebounded, setting up Badenhop's last second heroics...almost.  Badenhop nearly got caught for a non-penetrating guard 5-second call at the half-court line and was forced to call timeout with 4.2 seconds left.  With the ball near half court, and the players set up near the 3-point line, Badenhop curled around a screen, got the pass, dribbled past one more screen, elevated, and drilled the winner.

Greg Badenhop led all scorers with 24, and was unstoppable in OT, with 9 of ONU's 11 points.
Otterbein's Banaszak was a force in the second half, driving the lane with success several times and 2-2 from beyond the arc for 15 2nd half points.

For more info:
box score (http://www.otterbein.edu/athletics/Mbasketball/games/2007/game20.htm)
ONU story (http://www.onusports.com/MHoops/Games/ott2.html)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2007, 02:21:24 am
Great recap.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 01, 2007, 08:33:31 am
For the record, Otterbein has the listed attendance at 2019.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 01, 2007, 09:56:23 am
As for the JCU/Mount game which I didn't attend because I thought it would be on TV and didn't see because it was preempted for Kent State basketball in Kent (where I live)...looking at the box score (not that this would've made a difference), it is rarely a good thing when a team shoots the nearly the same percentage from the floor (45%) and the free throw line (46%) as the Raiders did last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 01, 2007, 11:25:07 am
For the record, Otterbein has the listed attendance at 2019.

I noticed that in the box score.  That definitely doesn't accurately describe the number of people in the gym last night.  I would have put the number closer to 700-800, perhaps as much as 1,000.

Also, while I'm thinking of the fans (however many there were  ::) ), it was a pretty quiet and calm crowd last night.  The crowd as a whole was only "in the game" for some parts of the second half.  Also, the area that I think represented Otterbein's student section was hardly heard from until the overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 01, 2007, 11:28:52 am
For the record, Otterbein has the listed attendance at 2019.
Maybe they take the actual attendance and multiply it by 2 or 3??? :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2007, 11:31:45 am
My guess is that Otterbein has either a very poor mathematics department or a very successful accounting department.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 01, 2007, 11:48:08 am
My guess is that Otterbein has either a very poor mathematics department or a very successful accounting department.  ;)

Kind of like Enron's accounting department?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 01, 2007, 11:52:52 am
I was at the game and took a head count three different times and never got over 600. I don't see the point. That's not even a good guess let alone an attempt to accurately reflect the size of the crowd. I think it does a disservice to those schools that make an effort to at least come close to a realistic figure. Maybe someone should let them know that they will not be kicked out of the OAC or NCAA DIII because of poor attendance figures. As to the student section being quiet, Security removed one of their more belligerant student fans momentarily in the second half and upon his return the entire section was quieter and the young man in question was silent the balance of the game...prior to his chat with Security he was tossing personal insults at Michael Hunter and Jake Cannan. I think the ref summoned security to get it stopped.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 01, 2007, 10:25:54 pm
I was at the game and took a head count three different times and never got over 600. I don't see the point. That's not even a good guess let alone an attempt to accurately reflect the size of the crowd. I think it does a disservice to those schools that make an effort to at least come close to a realistic figure. Maybe someone should let them know that they will not be kicked out of the OAC or NCAA DIII because of poor attendance figures.

I agree.  I didn't do a head count, but I do think they should get a more accurate count or just not list an attendance figure.  I'm really quite surprised that they couldn't get a better number- I was sold a physical ticket that was ripped up at the entry door to the gym...ticket rolls are usually individually numbered so that if you wrote down the starting ticket number in the booth and then subtracted that from the ending number at the end of the night, you could get a pretty good count on how many you sold.  Oh well.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 02, 2007, 09:54:29 am
I contacted the SID at Otterbein in an attempt to get an idea as to how the attendance figures are calculated. He was gracious enough to respond quite quickly....His response..."Its an estimate from the pressbox based upon a capacity crowd of 3,200. It's usually done right at the end of the game as an afterthought. They look out and decide whether the gym is 1/2 full,2/3 full etc." I guess it really doesn't matter, except it grinds my gears to see it in print as a statistic, when in fact their numbers are probably somewhere in the middle of the pack with all the rest of the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 02, 2007, 11:23:56 am
OAC fans may want to watch the Wittenberg Wooster game very closely as this game could be the difference in having just the conference tourney champ or adding another team as an at large because i think it Wittenberg wins that locks up our NCAA chances.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 02, 2007, 12:30:56 pm
The Otterbein attendance kind of reminds me of Adrian

Rochester--225
Manchester--100
Oberlin--100
Kzoo-150
Calvin--600
Hope 750
Tri-State--250
Albion--200

I actually think the Hope game is an underestimate, don't know what happened with Rochester.

No truth that they have gaurds at the door stopping people from entering if attendance is a nice round number.

My guess is most D3 attendance numbers are guesses.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on February 02, 2007, 02:45:12 pm
OAC fans may want to watch the Wittenberg Wooster game very closely as this game could be the difference in having just the conference tourney champ or adding another team as an at large because i think it Wittenberg wins that locks up our NCAA chances.

Excellent point, pennstghs!

TF_1973
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 02, 2007, 03:58:40 pm
I contacted the SID at Otterbein in an attempt to get an idea as to how the attendance figures are calculated. He was gracious enough to respond quite quickly....His response..."Its an estimate from the pressbox based upon a capacity crowd of 3,200. It's usually done right at the end of the game as an afterthought. They look out and decide whether the gym is 1/2 full,2/3 full etc." I guess it really doesn't matter, except it grinds my gears to see it in print as a statistic, when in fact their numbers are probably somewhere in the middle of the pack with all the rest of the OAC.

I meant to add earlier that I never had a bad experience at Otterbein as a member of the media and that the SID and his staff were always extremely hospitable and helpful.  I hope that the attendance issue doesn't reflect poorly on them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 02, 2007, 10:46:29 pm
I contacted the SID at Otterbein in an attempt to get an idea as to how the attendance figures are calculated. He was gracious enough to respond quite quickly....His response..."Its an estimate from the pressbox based upon a capacity crowd of 3,200. It's usually done right at the end of the game as an afterthought. They look out and decide whether the gym is 1/2 full,2/3 full etc." I guess it really doesn't matter, except it grinds my gears to see it in print as a statistic, when in fact their numbers are probably somewhere in the middle of the pack with all the rest of the OAC.

I meant to add earlier that I never had a bad experience at Otterbein as a member of the media and that the SID and his staff were always extremely hospitable and helpful.  I hope that the attendance issue doesn't reflect poorly on them.

I think the number of people who actually, deeply care about reported vs. actual attendance at a D3 game can be counted on the fingers of one hand...

...which adds up to 23 if you are at Otterbein.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 02, 2007, 10:56:17 pm
I contacted the SID at Otterbein in an attempt to get an idea as to how the attendance figures are calculated. He was gracious enough to respond quite quickly....His response..."Its an estimate from the pressbox based upon a capacity crowd of 3,200. It's usually done right at the end of the game as an afterthought. They look out and decide whether the gym is 1/2 full,2/3 full etc." I guess it really doesn't matter, except it grinds my gears to see it in print as a statistic, when in fact their numbers are probably somewhere in the middle of the pack with all the rest of the OAC.

I meant to add earlier that I never had a bad experience at Otterbein as a member of the media and that the SID and his staff were always extremely hospitable and helpful.  I hope that the attendance issue doesn't reflect poorly on them.

Thanks for getting this explanation.  I would have guessed that the capacity of Otterbein's gym was more around 2000-2500.  I really don't think this "reflects poorly" on their overall program.  Sure, it's not ideal and it'd be nice to have a better figure, but it really only bothers the anal-retentive part of me that wants to know every last detail of a game, and not the part of me that has an appreciation for the overall school/athletic program, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 03, 2007, 11:51:20 pm
All the 2/3 OAC Final Scores:

John Carroll 79  Ohio Northern 67
Capital 64  Muskingum 62
Heidelberg 87  Marietta 70
Wilmington 75  Baldwin-Wallace 68
Otterbein 78  Mount Union 68

So, we have a two way for first place:

JCU and CAP both at 10-4
ONU and Heide both at 9-5
Wilm, OTT and B-W all at 8-6
Musky at 4-10
Mount at 3-11
Marietta at 1-13
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 04, 2007, 01:13:41 pm
Four games left, this is going to be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 04, 2007, 03:48:02 pm
Four games left, this is going to be fun.
You aren't kidding Toph.  Not only is there going to be a lot of jockeying for who gets home court in the 1st round of the OAC Tourney, MUC and Musky have quite a battle going on just to make the tournament.  So there's drama at both ends of the spectrum.

And then there's the tournament and ohhhhh what fun that should bring us!!!  :o  If I were a betting man (which I am not), there's no way I would want to lay money down on anyone in this conference as to who will come away with the OAC Tournament crown and NCAA automatic bid?!?! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 04, 2007, 09:44:15 pm
David, I agree, there probably aren't that many that care about the attendance figures...That being the case, why report them? In my experience you keep track of things like this for reference purposes. Years from now someone looking at Otterbein's figures are going to think Otterbein had one helluva fan base when in fact they draw pretty much the same crowds as the rest of the OAC. I would guess that perhaps the other OAC schools that make a good faith effort to estimate the size of their crowds do care about Otterbein's inflated numbers. That would take the fingers of both hands.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 07, 2007, 04:24:32 pm
Unfortunately for Carroll tonight Capital has a virtual lock of a win over Mount.  A win over Heidelberg (who has fallen off since their hot start) is a more difficult task.  Should be a fun one to watch, though...two of the highest scoring teams in the OAC.  I'll be there for it.  I'm hoping to catch 3 of the Streaks' last four games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 07, 2007, 10:10:03 pm
All the OAC 2/7 Final Scores:

Capital 56  Mount Union 44
John Carroll 91  Heidelberg 86
Ohio Northern 75  Wilmington 53
Baldwin-Wallace 84  Otterbein 76
Muskingum 64  Marietta 58

So, the updated standings are:

CAP and JCU are tied for 1st place, both at 11-4
ONU alone in 3rd place at 10-5
Heide and B-W both at 9-6
Wilm and OTT both at 8-7
Musky at 5-10
Mount at 3-12
Marietta at 1-14
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 08, 2007, 12:12:43 am
Thanks for keeping us up to date on this league, wooscotsfan.

I'm hoping to attend the ONU-Capital "OAC Marquee Matchup" game this weekend in Bexley.  Crucial game for both teams, with huge league and overall postseason implications.  Neither team can afford to lose this game.  ONU cannot pick up more in-region losses, and Capital already has too many.

I don't know much about Capital and their following.  Does Capital draw well?  Will a game like this sell out/be in danger of selling out?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 08, 2007, 08:34:52 am
A few thoughts...

About the JCU game last night:  JCU played pretty well for most of the game, defensively they could get burned come tourney time, but this isn't anything new.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?  The only thing that really concerned me was that Heidelberg kept climbing back into the game...I don't know whether to attribute it to a lack of focus on JCU's part or just great effort by the Student Prince-Bergs.  One thing is for sure, Heidelberg's ability to shoot the deep ball (and sometimes it was very deep) will make them dangerous in the tournament.  Of course, when they go cold (and they do) they struggle offensively.

The ONU-Capital game is setting up to be HUGE this weekend.  One thing that Capital has going for them against almost every opponent is their ability to slow down the game to their pace...both by being patient on the offensive end and the "delay tactics" they use inbounding the ball.  Until OAC referees start calling them for delay of game, which I have never seen happen (surprisingly), they can almost completely dominate the pace of a game.  For obvious reasons, I'm rooting for Da Bears in this one, but Carroll still needs to take care of business.

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I don't know much about Capital and their following.  Does Capital draw well?  Will a game like this sell out/be in danger of selling out?

I've been to a couple of games down in Bexley, and while there was always a pretty good crowd, there was also plenty of seating.  I don't think (don't hold me to it, though) this is in danger of selling out...if you're planning to make the trip.

If you've never been to Capital before they have a beautiful campus and the Capital Center is one of the best facilities in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on February 08, 2007, 03:43:44 pm
I was at the JCU-Berg game last night as well. It was a pretty good game but it seemed like it took the Berg the 1st 5-7mins of each half to wake up. In the 1st half they waited to they got down 14 until they finally started putting something together. In the 2nd half JCU's lead got to as big as 19 (55-36) before they got as close as 76-74 when it seemed as if they ran out of gas. 1 or 2  questionable calls go the Berg's way however and it could have gotten real interesting. I was impressed with some of the long range shots they were hitting thats really what got them back in the game. Definetly not the same Heidelberg we have been used to in years past.

Unfortunately for Carroll tonight Capital has a virtual lock of a win over Mount.  A win over Heidelberg (who has fallen off since their hot start) is a more difficult task.

A reason for that as i was informed last night could be because Heidelberg has been without its starting 5 man for the whole 2nd half of the OAC schedule. He came down with mono and is out indefinetly. He was their 2nd leading scorer and leading rebounder when he went out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 08, 2007, 05:28:46 pm
I will be shocked if the Capital game is anywhere near a sellout. A good crowd will no doubt be there, but it seems these teams toil practically anonymously through each season. Bad news for the Bears....Badenhop went down last night with an ankle sprain late in the Wilmington game. Doesn't look good for him seeing any action Saturday. Tough time for it to happen...he means alot at both ends of the court for the Bears. His absence could be the difference between a W and a loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 08, 2007, 05:54:09 pm
I will be shocked if the Capital game is anywhere near a sellout. A good crowd will no doubt be there, but it seems these teams toil practically anonymously through each season.

Otterbein is on the road Saturday (at Heidelberg), so as there's tens of thousands of Cardinal fans with nothing better to do, maybe they'll show up and fill the place.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 08, 2007, 06:37:14 pm
I wish I had the time to travel to that game and witness the huge Otterbein crowd that will undoubtedly be present...By the way ,their numbers also appear on the NCAA site where they are consistently in the top ten in D3 annual  national attendance figures. Damn...I had almost gotten over my annoyance of this and you had to go and bring it up again! David, you were absolutely right about no one caring about that stat. I e-mailed the OAC Commissioner's Office over a week ago regiistering my dismay over Otterbwin's obviously fictitous attendance numbers and never even got the courtesy of a reply...If the Commissioner's Office doesn't give a damn, I guess I shouldn't either.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 08, 2007, 09:12:33 pm
Hey... just wondering if anyone knew how tie-breakers work for the OAC finals... or if it's posted somewhere.

Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 08, 2007, 09:25:35 pm
Hey... just wondering if anyone knew how tie-breakers work for the OAC finals... or if it's posted somewhere.

Just curious.

I'm not sure that it's posted anywhere, but I did a little searching at the OAC conference site and found last year's tournament preview.  Review it (it's a .pdf file) here (http://www.oac.org/documents/menquarters.pdf).

From the third paragraph, it sounds like the OAC checks head-to-head records first, then they go by a "best win" tiebreaker.  From the PDF "Otterbein and John Carroll tied for sixth in the OAC regular season with 9-9 records, but Otterbein earned the sixth seed by defeating third seed Muskingum once during the regular-season."

Edit:  I think this contrasts with the NCAC, which I believe goes with a "worst loss" tiebreak.  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2007, 04:01:49 am
Hey... just wondering if anyone knew how tie-breakers work for the OAC finals... or if it's posted somewhere.

Just curious.

In the OAC, tiebreakers are decided in favor of the school with the better home attendance average. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 09, 2007, 08:35:48 am
It is head to head records first, then they go to best win.  For example, if both Capital and JCU win out this year, the edge will go to Capital because they had two wins over Heidelberg (I think...I just glanced over the schedule quickly).  This has the potential to be a mess.  At the start of the season I was hoping either JCU, BW, or Mount :D would win because that would mean I could catch most of the games.  I can't make the trip down to Capital.


Oh, and +k DC.  Great stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 10, 2007, 04:59:40 pm
Final from the Capital Center:

Ohio Northern 70, Capital 74

HUGE win for Capital, keeping them at the top of the OAC.  Capital moves to 15-7, (12-4), and ONU falls to 17-6, (10-6) in the OAC.  With the loss, ONU is eliminated from contention for the regular season OAC title, as the best they could hope for is a tie with JCU or Capital, and they are 0-4 against those schools this season.

I'll give a wrap-up including my firsthand observations of this game later.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on February 10, 2007, 08:05:26 pm
Otterbein 77-Heidelberg 74

What a great game. The first half was back and forth and Ott looked ready to play for once. Heid had a 6 point half time lead. They got up by as many as 11 in the second half but Ott played much better down the stretch. In one of the worst calls I have ever seen in my entire life the ref sealed the deal for Ott. With about 45 seconds left and Ott up by 1, Heid is coming on a fast break and an Ott player steals it for a second. Right as the Ott player steals it Reynolds calls a time out but Greg Tyson had already stole the ball back from the Ott player but the back official awarded the timeout to Ott even though It was definitly the wrong call. Then Ott converted its foul shots and that was it, but that call was HUGE. As an Ott fan there is no doubt that our numbers are high but wait this weekend for the Capital game and that crowd will speak for its self
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 10, 2007, 08:41:59 pm
All the OAC 2/10 Final Scores:

Capital 74  Ohio Northern 70
John Carroll 85  Marietta 58
Baldwin-Wallace 76  Muskingum 66
Otterbein 77  Heidelberg 74
Mount Union 96  Wilmington 73 (upset, road win for Raiders)

So, the Current OAC Standings are:

CAP and JCU both at 12-4 (First Place Tie)
ONU and B-W both at 10-6
OTT and Heide both at 9-7
Wilm at 8-8
Musky at 5-11
Mount at 4-12
Etta at 1-15
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 10, 2007, 11:02:06 pm
Got to see Capital ride a late comeback right to victory today at the Capital Center in Bexley.

Unlike the ONU-Otterbein game I saw a week-and-a-half ago, this game's first half got right into the action.  Right from the gate, both teams shot very well.  ONU ended the first half with 39 pts and a 2 point lead on the strength of 64% shooting and 54% from 3, while Cap earned their 37 behind 59% and a whopping 71% (5-7) from beyond the arc.  Almost everything going airborne fell through a net.  ONU's leading scorer, Greg Badenhop, didn't start the game, and was wearing a brace on the left ankle that he had twisted.  He entered around the 15 minute mark and didn't seem hampered by the injury at all, and he played virtually the entire rest of the game after not starting.  I would not blame his poor shooting night (only 1-6 from 3) on the ankle, rather, he did not select his shots as well as I had seen him do at Otterbein.

The best shooter on the floor was Capital's Nate Stahl.  His 13 first-half points, on 3-3 3 point shooting, really helped keep Capital right in the game.  Capital needed that type of performance because ONU was hot and executing well throughout the first half, looking much improved over the team I saw play Otterbein.  Stahl added 8 more in the second, but those 8 didn't feel quite as impactful.

The second half was more of a struggle for both teams.  Shooting precentages fell off the first half cliffs as the game tensed up and lost some of the excellent offensive flow of the first half.  Counterintuitively, however, both teams scored some easy layups due to defensive lapses.  Northern, in particular, was exploiting holes in the Capital defense and the Cap fans around me were rightfully worried when Northern built an 8 point advantage with around 7 to play.  However, just like Otterbein forgot to actually beat ONU last week, ONU couldn't close out the win.

Down 3 with 18 seconds left, ONU's Jake Cannon got off a clean 3-pointer that didn't fall.  ONU fouled with 4 seconds left, then proceeded to miss both foul shots, but Quinten Mitchell secured the win with a huge offensive board (as part of his impressive career day, 15 pts and team-high 6 boards) and then the icing free throw with a second to go.

Cap's Stahl led all scorers with 21, Mitchell 15 and Ryan Wood had 11.
ONU was led by Kyle Gehle with 16, Cannan with 13, and Badenhop with 11.

box score here (http://www.onusports.com/MHoops/Boxes/mbb23.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 10, 2007, 11:48:08 pm
A few other, related thoughts:

Toph, best as I can figure, Capital would be in the driver's seat if both leaders end 14-4.  Searching for "best win" leads to these results:

Against:
ONU:  both swept
B-W:  both split (assuming JCU's win on Wednesday)
Heidelberg:  JCU split, Capital swept (assuming Capital win on Wednesday)
Otterbein: both swept (assuming Capital win Saturday)
Wilmington: Capital swept, JCU split (assuming Saturday win)

So, if they both end 14-4, I think Capital holds the tiebreaker regardless of the final standings position of these 5 teams, because Capital does hold the "best win" tiebreak against Wilmington and JCU doesn't appear to hold a "best win" scenario against any of them.  If they both end 13-5, Capital will hold the tiebreaker if JCU loses to B-W.  However, if Capital loses to Otterbein, whom JCU swept, and Otterbein finishes ahead of Heidelberg, then JCU could earn hosting rights by virtue of its sweep of Otterbein.

ONU cannot win the league.  I think there is one, however unlikely, scenario where B-W can.  If B-W beat JCU a second time and got lots of help from Heidelberg, Otterbein, and Wilmington, forming a 3-way tie at 12-6, then B-W would be holding the tiebreaker by virtue of their sweep of then third-place JCU.  Fun league, no?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 11, 2007, 12:02:55 am
Also, since it's been a source of discussion in here, the box score listed attendance for today's game at 1134.  My guess would have been 1100 in the 2100 seat gym.  A nice crowd, and accurately measured, though honestly the ONU contingent was louder and more involved in supporting their team than most of the Capital fans were.  Very disappointed in the level of student turnout for Capital.  Probably under 150 there, loosely spread throughout one side of the stands.  No student-led cheers.  Perhaps they attend more for the cross-town Otterbein rival matchup, but I was hoping that a game between two teams battling late in the season for the league title would have brought out a larger student crowd.  The afternoon game certainly affected this, but I was hoping for a gym atmosphere that reflected the quality and intensity of the play on the court and I didn't feel like I received it.

Capital does have a very nice, very modern facility.  The gym reminds me a lot of Wooster High School's main gym, for those Wooster posters that read this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 12, 2007, 08:52:56 am
Sorry I wasn't able to post, I wasn't around a computer all weekend.  First, huge win for Capital, although we certainly can't rule out the possibility of an upset by Heidelberg or Otterbein.  The same can be said about JCU...at BW will be a very tough game, Tori Davis always plays some of his best games against John Carroll.

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B-W:  both split (assuming JCU's win on Wednesday)


I understand you didn't mean it like this, but there is no way I assume this win.  I can't wait to go see this game on Wednesday.  I saw the first game and was disappointed in the way Carroll played.  It was encouraging to me that they could play that badly (especially defensively) and still have a chance to win. 

Here is my early breakdown of the JCU/BW game...I've got four keys:
1.  Brandon Mimes needs to be more of a factor defensively than he was in the first contest.  I understand that he wants to keep out of foul trouble, but at the same time Tori Davis has to be contested in the paint or else he'll score 40.  Mimes and the other players in the low post need to bully him a little bit just to keep him uncomfortable.  Derek Smith's size makes him a great candidate to play the role of "enforcer," but he can't keep up with Davis' speed.
2.  The guards must play better perimeter defense than the first game.  I think part of the problem was that the Streaks were so concerned with Davis down low that they played off BW's guards, leading to open threes...and those guys can flat out shoot it.  Also, BW moves the ball very well on the offensive end.  Anyone who has seen BW play since Bankson has been the coach can attest to this.  Great coaching leads to great execution.
3.  Offensively Carroll needs to figure out how to attack the 2-3 with Davis in the middle.  Again, this is a great coaching maneuver by Bankson.  The Jackets have quick guards who rotate extremely well and with Davis in the middle down low, it is very difficult to get an uncontested shot.  Good, quick, well executed ball movement around the perimeter is one way to break this (with a few threes from Walsh and Kirbus hopefully coming out of it), but also Pete Moran has to use his slashing ability to draw the defense in and either kick out to the wing or find an open man in the post.
4.  Carroll usually has a much more vocal fan base than BW...the students need to turn this game into a home game.  Since the JCU home game was during the break, the normal crowd noise at the DeCarlo Varsity Center wasn't there.  I hope plenty of students make the short trip.

That's all I've got for now.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 12, 2007, 08:10:59 pm
Yeah, Toph, I was just trying to clarify what would happen if JCU and Cap had 2-0 weeks.  Looks to me that in that scenario Capital wins hosting rights.  Also, it looks like JCU must beat B-W to have a shot if they both go 1-1 and end 13-5. 

You're right; none of the games in this league can be "assumed" wins.  That's a big part of why I'm enjoying starting to watch this league.  I might catch Otterbein/Capital this Saturday, and also some of the OAC tourney games if Capital wins hosting rights.  I feel like I'm becoming the unofficial OAC Columbus Correspondent!  That's the OACCC, for short.   :)

Does B-W or JCU broadcast their games?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 13, 2007, 09:50:38 am
Both BW and JCU broadcast their games.  I'm not sure whether or not either is still streaming over the net.  You may or may not know recently legislation was passed that made it much more expensive for radio stations (including noncoms) to stream copyrighted content over the internet.  What WJCU is trying to do, I think, is still stream sports and original shows without copyrighted content, but I am not sure if they've been able to do this yet.  If I were you I would check wbwc's website to see if they're still streaming.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 14, 2007, 07:14:36 pm
From the OAC website (http://www.oac.org/):

Quote
**Men's Basketball Cancellations**

Heidelberg at Capital today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7p.m.

Muskingum at Ohio Northern today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Marietta at Mount Union today 2/14has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Otterbein at Wilmington today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

John Carroll at Baldwin-Wallace today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

**Women's Basketball Cancellations**

Capital at Heidelberg today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Ohio Northern at Muskingum today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Mount Union at Marietta today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Wilmington at Otterbein today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Baldwin-Wallace at John Carroll today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Muskingum at Heidelberg on 2/16 has been move [sic] to 2/17 at 8p.m.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 15, 2007, 09:51:02 pm
All the 2/15 OAC Final Scores:

Capital 79  Heidelberg 67
Baldwin-Wallace 81  John Carroll 77  (Senior Tori Davis - 32 pts, 10 boards)
Ohio Northern 63  Muskingum 57
Otterbein 52  Wilmington 49
Mount Union 69  Marietta 56

So, the Crusaders are in sole first place.

CAP at 13-4
JCU at 12-5
ONU and B-W both at 11-6
OTT at 10-7
Heide at 9-8
Wilm at 8-9
Musk and Mount both at 5-12
Etta at 1-16
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 15, 2007, 11:55:46 pm
Thanks for posting the scores, Wooscotsfan.

With John Carroll's loss tonight, Capital has claimed at least a share of the OAC Crown, and the #1 seed in the OAC Tournament, regardless of this Saturday's outcomes.

Congratulations to the Crusaders!

Capital Press release (http://www.capital.edu/Internet/Default.aspx?pid=11530)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 16, 2007, 08:26:00 am
Unfortunately I was unable to make it to the JCU/BW game last night, but I did have a friend calling me with updates.  Tough loss for Carroll...especially considering that they were lights out in the first half and led by something like 14.  From what I can gather Mimes was a non factor both offensively and defensively.  Tori Davis blew up once again...

I really didn't want to have to drive to Columbus to watch the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 16, 2007, 11:08:53 am
The OAC gives credence to show how useless pre-season polls are.  If my memory serves me correct, I believe that Cap and JCU were picked 3rd and 4th respectively behind B-W and ONU who are currently tied for 3rd?! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 16, 2007, 11:39:15 am
I'm trying to remember the last time the preseason #1 won the conference tourney...BW last year I think, but then before that, I don't remember.

I do remember the year that Carroll went to the final four they were picked to finish 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on February 16, 2007, 11:58:07 am
I know there is still one game left to play plus tournament but I am just curious what everyone thinks about the player of the year this year. I think it is very clear the two main candidates but just wanted to see some debate.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 16, 2007, 12:29:41 pm
Here's the stats for the two you probably have in mind, plus one other who should be in the conversation.  The numbers in parentheses indicate rank within the OAC.  Through last night's games, from the OAC website (http://www.oac.org/CONFLDRS_232.HTM#conf.wki).

      Player            Year            Team            PPG            FG %            RPG            Blks/Gm      
   Tori Davis      Sr.      B-W      22.5 (1)      .656 (2)      8.8 (3)      2.25 (3)   
   Brandon Mimes      Jr.      JCU      19.9 (3)      .489 (10)      10.6 (1)      1.54 (4)   
   Tyler Ousley      Sr.      Ott      20.1 (2)      .582 (4)      10.5 (2)      2.42 (2)   

Davis and Ousley have each been named OAC Player of the week three times this season.  Mimes has yet to receive this honor.

Ousley is also 7th in the leage in assists (3.0/gm) and 14th in FT shooting (.743).  Mimes is 6th in steals (1.67/gm.)  Davis is 2nd in minutes (36.62) while Ousley is 5th (34.04).  Ousley is also 7th in the league in A/TO, but this category is limited to those with 3 apg or more.  There are only 7 such players, and Ousley's 1.0 A/TO is last among them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 16, 2007, 01:06:15 pm
I think it'll be Davis.  Flat out stud.  Ousley and Mimes have both had good years, but I think that Davis can play at another level that these two haven't gone to yet.  Also, Davis is a big time, big game player.  I wish the tournament was closer so I could go to all the games, but I'll just have to settle for the final.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 03:39:38 pm
Re: Preseason polls

Par for the course in this conference, which, IIRC, sent teams to the Final Four in consecutive years that were picked No. 6 in the league's preseason poll. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 17, 2007, 11:14:39 pm
OAC Quarterfinal Pairings:
(to be played Wednesday, Feb. 21)

#8 Muskingum @ #1 Capital
#5 Otterbein @ #4 Ohio Northern

#6 Heidelberg @ #3 Baldwin-Wallace
#7 Wilmington @ #2 John Carroll

Highest remaining seed hosts the weekend.

Downloadable Bracket here (pdf file) (http://www.oac.org/documents/2007OACTournMBBBrackets.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on February 17, 2007, 11:16:11 pm
Took in the OTT-CAP game tonight. For those questioning Otterbein's attendance counts of late, the number you will see in the paper on Sunday will be legit. I will agree that the Cards have not drawn big crowds for most of the year, but tonight's game had a feel like those of five years ago. I also believe that Otterbein typically reports the number of tickets sold. I would guess they have at least 500 season ticket holders, and on for a Wednesday night against Wilmington, my guess is about 30 of those folks show up.

As for the game, both teams played very hard, even though it really had no impact on the league standings. CAP was seeking an outright conference title, but they already had hosting privileges locked up. OTT will still have to travel on Wednesday, but this game is always about pride. The Cards looked in control most of the night, leading by 6 at the half, by nine with 3:30 to go, and even by 7 with 1:45 to go. Like a few other times this year though (ONU and JCU), the cards could not hold the lead in the last few minutes. CAP forced overtime with a short jumper with 20 tics remaining. The extra session began slow, but after #40 for the Crusaders fouled out, Tyler Ousley took over. #40 had kept the Otterbein senior quite most of the night, but in the last two minutes of OT, he scored the Cards final 9 points to secure the 4 point victory. Ousley made all of his free throws in the final minute, and had a key block when Capital's $50 had a good inside look in the game's waning moments.

My last thought: What the heck was that play Capital drew up with 5.7 seconds left and down three? They kept everyone in the frontcourt, and threw the ball to mid-court, where the kid who caught it stumbled out of bounds, but still almost made a half-court heave as he stepped on the line? Goodwin really needed a better play drawn up there. It looked like a play for when there is under 2 seconds left. 5.7 is more than enough time to get the ball down the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2007, 11:39:17 pm
Wondering where wooscotsfan is, and hoping he's all right, here's tonight's scores:

Otterbein 73, Capital 69 (OT)
Baldwin-Wallace 86, Marietta 74
Muskingum 78, Heiidelberg 66
JCU 94, Wilmington 78
Ohio Northern 74, Mt. Union 59

Here's the final standings:
Capital 13-5 (16-8)
JCU 13-5 (17-8)
Baldwin-Wallace 12-6 (17-8)
Ohio Northern 12-6 (19-6)
Otterbein 11-7 (15-10)
Heidelberg 9-9 (13-12)
Wilmington 8-10 (13-12)
Muskingum 6-12 (12-12)
Mt. Union 5-13 (10-15)
Marietta 1-15 (5-20)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2007, 12:25:11 am
Also back from the Capital-Otterbein game:

I'm bad luck for Otterbein concerning their ability to close out basketball games.  I've seen them twice this year, and each time they've given up late leads and gone to OT.

I arrived slightly late for tonight's game, which means I missed Capital's only lead, 3-2.  As johnworms notes, Otterbein maintained control of the game through almost the entire contest, faltering only at the beginning for the second half (which Capital started on a 11-5 run to erase a 6 point halftime deficit) and at the end of the second half, where they gave up a 7 point lead in the last 2 minutes.

Quintin Mitchell is #40 for Capital.  He's definitely their most agile and athletic low post man.  He put in an excellent game: 14 pts, team-high 6 boards.  He was more effective than Cap's starter, Ben Gunn, both offensively and defensively.

His name has come up above in MVP discussions, so I feel I should comment on Otterbein's Tyler Ousley.  First, Otterbein's game plan hinges on his work in the post.  When they're running their offense, he definitely seemed to be option #1, everytime.  He reminds me of Dane Borchers for Witt- lanky, good touch at the hoop, excellent positioning around the basket.  I think his positioning is what accounts for his ability to consistenly draw fouls.  Coming into tonight's game he averaged 20.1ppg with 7.5 of those from the foul line.  He averages 10 foul shot attempts per game.  Tonight he scored 12 points from the floor, and was 11-13 from the line.  To understand just how often he gets touches offensively, and how often those touches end up at the foul line, he has shot 254 foul shots this season.  Otterbein's #2 man for FTAs?  Guard Ross Banaszak has 109.

Ousley was everywhere in tonight's game though.  6-10 FG, 11-13 FT, 23 pts, 18 rebounds (6 offensive), 7 assists, 5 blocks, and 1 steal for good measure.  He doesn't look like he'll dominate you, but he is remarkable fundamental around the basket and gets his hand on everything.

However, the most impressive offensive player on the floor tonight was Capital's Nate Stahl.  He's probably the best shooter I've seen this year.  Better than Badenhop; probably better even than Wooster's Devin Fulk.  He scored his game-high 26 tonight on 6-8 3 point shooting.  The rest of Capital shot 1-10 from behind the arc.  He ends the regular season 68-129 (52.7%) from 3.  I've seen him give two very impressive performances, but even on an "on" night, he wasn't able to carry his team to victory.

A few moments of almost ugliness in this game; thankfully, nothing really got out of hand.  I think Capital can feel (slightly) that they were on the short end of the officiating stick tonight.  The foul disparity (32 vs. 19) changed the complexion of the game and hindered any attempts at a comeback by Capital, since Otterbein spent most of the game in the bonus- and the last 9 minutes of the second half in the double bonus.  Capital only shot 10 FTs, Otterbein made 23.  However, before someone rants back at me, note that I'm trying to just show how the foul disparity affected the flow/tempo of the game, and I'm not saying that Capital got hosed.  The number of fouls just made Capital's attempt to come back more difficult, as players got into foul trouble and Otterbein racked up the free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 19, 2007, 01:29:16 pm
what was the attendance haha-i think we need a strong performance from the OAC champ to have a chance at hosting otherwise its going to be another trip to Witt or Wooster in the first round of the tourney again......not that they have had bad performances likewise.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 19, 2007, 07:03:26 pm
I don't see the OAC tournament champ hosting the first game unless ONU wins it and some credit is given to them for their sweep of Wtt and Wooster during the season. But,Witt and Wooster are both ranked higher in the polls so I guess that won't make any difference either. What criteria is used for the location?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 19, 2007, 10:06:12 pm
what was the attendance haha

It was listed at 2923.  Probably a pretty good estimate.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 19, 2007, 10:12:14 pm
I don't see the OAC tournament champ hosting the first game unless ONU wins it and some credit is given to them for their sweep of Wtt and Wooster during the season. But,Witt and Wooster are both ranked higher in the polls so I guess that won't make any difference either. What criteria is used for the location?

Onefan,

I'm assuming that by "the polls" you mean the d3hoops Top 25 poll and the regional rankings.  Only the regional rankings matter in regards to selection and seeding of teams for the NCAA tournament.  Hosting is a different matter entirely, as it brings into play the regional and geographic element.

From the D-III Handbook:
Quote
Pairings and Site Selection
Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pools B and C teams are selected, the
following guidelines should be followed:
• Teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity.  Teams
will then be paired according to geographic proximity.  A team may be moved to
numerically balance the bracket if geographic proximity is maintained.  Teams should
be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographic proximity
(within 500 miles).
• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. 
However, geographic proximity takes precedence over seeding.
• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as
long as geographic proximity is maintained.
• The highest-seeded team that meets all selection criteria (and after a review of the
submitted host materials) will be selected as the host institution, provided geographic
proximity is maintained.
It is the intent of the committee to create competition brackets with a maximum of
eight teams competing in each bracket. Flights will be kept to a minimum.  The higher-
seeded team at the sectional sites will have the opportunity to select which game time
it prefers.
The higher-seeded team will be listed at the top of the competition bracket.  The top
team on the bracket is the designated home team and will wear the light (white) colored
jersey.  The higher-seeded team will sit on the bench to the right of the scorer’s table
when facing the field.
Note: Media and/or coaches polls are not factors in the selection process.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 19, 2007, 10:26:33 pm
To expand on scotsbrod's answer, there are a total of 21 teams that will host first- and second-round games.  Five teams will receive byes and host second-round games a week from Saturday; it is unlikely that any OAC team will be among them.  Five other teams will host first-round games a week from Thursday, with the winners traveling to play the bye teams.  Whether the OAC has any of these depends on where the byes are.  Last year, they were far away (Va. Wesleyan, Amherst, St. John Fisher, Lawrence, and Puget Sound), so my guess would be that the OAC isn't involved here either.

The other 44 teams will be grouped into 11 four-team regionals, played next Friday and Saturday.  The OAC champion (especially if it is JCU) has a reasonably good chance to be one of these eleven teams, but that depends in large part on who else from our general area is in the tournament, and what happens in the NCAC.  First on the list is Lake Erie, whose gym is inadequate to host a sectional but could be selected to host a regional, provided that they win the AMCC tournament.  If LEC hosts, it is likely that the OAC winner would go there, especially if it is JCU or B-WC.  Wooster also appears to have better hosting credentials than any OAC team, if they manage to win the NCAC tournament.  That would probably shut out the OAC from any possible hosting opportunities.

But if Lake Erie either loses or has their gym declared inadequate, and if Wooster loses (especially if it's not to Wittenberg), then the OAC champ could have a fairly good shot at hosting a regional--provided, of course, that it's not someone like Muskingum or Heidelberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 19, 2007, 10:37:35 pm
I like Woosters chances at hosting the first weekend if they win, I think LEC probably deserves a shot to host but the gym is just to small to justify it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 20, 2007, 09:54:17 am
Go Muskies!  I can't make the trip to Capital this weekend!  I need a home semis and finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 11:41:38 am
Pat has caculated the top 200 QoWIs nationwide and posted the result in a couple of the multi-region rooms.  Here's the GL teams extracted from that list, FYI.  I have added the in-region win %, which can be found here (http://www.d3hoops.com/regions.php?region=greatlakes&team=m&view=standings).

OK, these passed a great deal of scrutiny tonight. Through Sunday's games:

Rank   Points   Team
11   10.600   Lake Erie (.950)
20   10.318   John Carroll (.727)
21   10.316   Wooster (.895)
31   10.100   Ohio Northern (.700)
38   9.950   Wittenberg (.800)
47   9.765   Hope (.824)
60   9.500   Capital (.667)
65   9.450   Baldwin-Wallace (.700)
72   9.316   Westminster (Pa.) (.842)
75   9.261   Otterbein (.609)
82   9.174   Penn State-Behrend
115   8.619   Ohio Wesleyan (.739)
116   8.619   Carnegie Mellon (.524)
118   8.588   Calvin (.647)
132   8.435   Heidelberg (.522)
135   8.400   Bethany (.700)
148   8.188   Tri-State (.625)
159   8.083   Wilmington (.500)
164   8.000   Muskingum (.478)
166   7.944   Albion (.556)
197   7.591   Mount Union (.364)

Based on this, I'd expect Wednesday's regional rankings to be

1. Lake Erie
2. Wooster
3. JCU
4. Hope
5. Wittenberg
6. Ohio Northern
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 20, 2007, 12:02:39 pm
Anyone know the status of Badenhop from ONU as his injury status may well determine the Penguin's fate
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 12:04:28 pm
Anyone know the status of Badenhop from ONU as his injury status may well determine the Penguin's fate

You've got the wrong end of the earth; Badenhop is a Polar Bear.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 20, 2007, 03:53:15 pm
I was thinking ahead i guess to Wright State's huge showdown with the "Penguins" of Youngstown State as they attempt to host the conference tourney.

At least i got the P right
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 20, 2007, 08:17:44 pm
Anyone know the status of Badenhop from ONU as his injury status may well determine the Penguin's fate

Badenhop is fine.  He was injuried 2/7 in a game against Wilmington.  Apparently it was never very serious.  While wearing an ankle brace, he did not start on 2/10 at Capital, but I saw that game and he ended up playing his usual 32 minutes.  Last Saturday he played 32 minutes and led all scorers with 21 points in ONU's win over Mount Union.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 20, 2007, 09:31:07 pm
Well thats a relief for the POLAR BEARS as he is key to their run
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 20, 2007, 10:14:24 pm
Scotsbrod and David, Thanks for the info on the criteria for the host sites. I  also didn't realize the NCAA actually dictates which side of the gym each team is to be seated. I was also somewhat surprised that ONU is still projected to be hanging in there at #6 in the region.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 20, 2007, 11:01:14 pm
I was also somewhat surprised that ONU is still projected to be hanging in there at #6 in the region.

Hanging in there is probably right.  ONU must hope (pun somewhat intended) that Lake Erie and Hope win their respective tournaments.  If they don't, both become Pool C locks (or at least they will certainly still be considered before ONU or Wittenberg would be).  The best situation for ONU is for them to reach the OAC finals (itself no small task), and also to have all of David's projected regional top four win their conference tournaments.  Rooting for a Wittenberg loss in the NCAC semifinals, hurting Witt's in-region winning % and QoWI, would help, as well.  In that case, ONU might be able to slip ahead of Witt in the "secret" ranking by going 2-1 with all three games in the OAC tourney against higher QoWI opponents than Wittenberg's NCAC games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 21, 2007, 10:24:40 am
How do you guys see things going down tonight?  Here's what I think:

Capital over Musky (my heart is with the Muskies though)
JCU over Wilmington
BW over Heidelberg...Tori Davis is too good.
Northern over Otterbein


Now what do you think the odds are that every favorite is going to win?  I'd say the most likely upsets are Heidelberg over BW if they get hot from behind the arc, and possibly Otterbein over Northern. 

I don't see the top 2 seeds losing.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 12:19:42 pm
Toph,

I made my picks here (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4044.480) on the NCAC pick 'em board.  I decided that I had to go with at least one upset, and so I picked against JCU.

I think we're looking at a one bid conference unless JCU is upset during the tournament, which means that ONU and Capital, in particular, are playing for their postseaon and NCAA lives in every one of these games.  It should make for dramatic and fun basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 21, 2007, 01:15:23 pm
I think the JCU upset is a tough pick...especially since they just beat Wilmington by almost 20 last Saturday, but anything can happen once the tournament begins.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 03:24:43 pm
Yeah, I wasn't actually making it because I think JCU won't win; more because I just felt that something crazy had to happen in the first round of the OAC tournament, or it just wouldn't be the OAC tournament.  I couldn't see myself picking all the top seeds, so someone had to fall.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if JCU takes the AQ from this conference and surprises people in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 03:27:03 pm

...

Based on this, I'd expect Wednesday's regional rankings to be

1. Lake Erie
2. Wooster
3. JCU
4. Hope
5. Wittenberg
6. Ohio Northern

David was close, as you can see here. (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2007/02/21/final-2007-ncaa-regional-rankings)  John Carroll comes in at #3 in the rankings, and ONU moves to #5, ahead of Wittenberg.  Witt's loss to Allegheny has damaged their Pool C hopes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 21, 2007, 03:57:22 pm
I wouldn't be surprised at all if JCU takes the AQ from this conference and surprises people in the NCAAs.

I wouldn't either.  Much of it depends on the play of Brandon Mimes and Terry Walsh (who has really come on strong lately).  JCU will probably have to figure out a way to beat those losers from across town, though.  If John Carroll gets past Wilma and manages to beat BW, at least the Jackets can take solace in the fact that they can count Kenny Roda among their alumni, while John Carroll can claim nobodys like Tim Russert and Don Shula.

What I do find interesting is this debate...say Carroll goes to the finals and loses in a close one to Capital or Northern...is there any chance they're in?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 21, 2007, 03:59:55 pm
Didn't the OAC used to play all 3 rounds at one site starting on Thursday?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 21, 2007, 04:07:11 pm
What I do find interesting is this debate...say Carroll goes to the finals and loses in a close one to Capital or Northern...is there any chance they're in?

If that scenario were to play out, I'd say that JCU was a lock for a Pool C bid.

BTW I edited your post merely to complete the quote attribution.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 04:18:07 pm
What I do find interesting is this debate...say Carroll goes to the finals and loses in a close one to Capital or Northern...is there any chance they're in?

If that scenario were to play out, I'd say that JCU was a lock for a Pool C bid.

BTW I edited your post merely to complete the quote attribution.  :)

JCU would probably be the very first Pool C GL team selected if they lost in the final.  Remember, though, that the score of that loss would make no difference; none of the selection criterion (primary or secondary), require the selection committee to consider the margin of a victory/loss.*  JCU could lose by 50 in the OAC final and that wouldn't harm/help its Pool C chances any more than losing by 1 on a desperation 3 pointer at the buzzer in the fourth overtime would.

*Disclaimer:  I assume that this is what is meant when the Handbook uses the term "results" versus opponents.  That is, the "result" is a win or a loss, period.  The result is not "a win by 26, a loss by 5."  So far as I can tell, the committee never considers the actual scores, just the outcomes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 21, 2007, 04:25:42 pm
Didn't the OAC used to play all 3 rounds at one site starting on Thursday?

I remember one year (2002-2003 I think) they played every game at BW to celebrate 100 years of OAC play or something like that.  Carroll should've hosted that season as well, if I'm not mistaken.

If you want to go farther back you'll have to find someone more...distinguished ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 21, 2007, 04:31:51 pm
Just to make Toph happy, I have picked Musky to beat Capital tonight.  That's how wacky the OAC tournament can be.  Now I'm off for the long drive through nowhere to Ada to see if Otterbein can make good on another of my 1st round upset picks.  I'll report back much later tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 04:52:56 pm
David,

I'll be making the much shorter drive to Bexley to see if Muskingum can make good on your pick!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on February 21, 2007, 09:05:22 pm
Final: Otterbein 52, Ohio Northern 51. Last second shot by OTT's Ousely goes in. The Cards advance to take on Capital for round three Friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 09:42:08 pm
Final from the Capital Center:

Muskingum 60, Capital 82

Capital will host the OAC semifinals and finals this weekend in Bexley.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 09:54:56 pm
All OAC Quarterfinal Results:

Capital 82, Muskingum 60
Otterbein 52, Ohio Northern 51
Baldwin-Wallace 95, Heidelberg 82
John Carroll 102, Wilmington 88

Semifinal Matchups: (Friday @ Capital)

Baldwin-Wallace vs. John Carroll
Otterbein vs. Capital
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on February 21, 2007, 10:03:39 pm
Anyone surprised by these scores? I suppose the only upset was Otterbein over Ohio Northern. I thought the Cards might spring this one, losing by only 7 in Ada, and losing by a last second three in overtime in Westerville. As the old adage states, it's hard to beat a team three times in a season. As for the Cards matchup against Capital, I gotta go with the Crusaders in the rubber-match, but it should be a great game! My prediction...BW over Cap in the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 10:14:48 pm
I think it's probably even money between John Carroll, Capital, and Baldwin-Wallace for the OAC tournament title.  Which means, of course, that Otterbein will win it.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 21, 2007, 10:59:06 pm
Traveled to the ONU/Otterbein game tonight. Otterbein's Tyler Ousley layed in the winning basket with seven/tenths of a second left on the clock to end ONU's season. Must give Otterbein credit, they got it done inside to Ousley most of the night and ONU couldn't convert late in the contest four straight trips down the court with a missed lay up, two missed threes with good looks at the hoop and one huge turnover  with under 35 seconds to go with ONU leading by one. Not a stellar night at the charity stripe  for the Bears either. Can't log off without noting that only about 40 of the1000+ Otterbein fans that usually attend the Cardinal home games were able to find their way to Ada.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 22, 2007, 12:04:42 am
Took in Capital's victory over Muskingum tonight at the Capital Center.

This was a thorough and satisfying win for the Crusaders.  Capital held a 44-27 rebounding edge, held Musky to under 35% shooting for the game, and simply shot lights out in the second half.

The decisive section of the game started with around 16 minutes left to go.  Muskingum had cut an 11-pt. halftime deficit (34-23) to 6, at 39-33.  Capital responded with a decisive 21-7 run to make it 60-40.  The run was remarkable- just fantastic shooting.  Nate Stahl started the run by hitting a jumper, then Ben Gunn sank a FT.  Then Ross Niekamp hit two consecutive threes, followed by a Stahl three (12-0 run).  Then the Ryan Wood show started: he drained 3 straight three pointers on the next three possessions, and it was 60-40 and the game was over.  18 straight points on 3s without a single miss.   :o Wow.

Capital ended the second half 10-13 (76.9%) from three point land.  They only had 6 two point buckets in the half.

Had Capital not run off such an impressive shooting half, the story of their win would have been how well they contained Musky leading scorer Brandon Todd, who could only muster 9 of his season average 18 in this one.  He kept looking for lanes and space, but Ryan Wood and Senior Bryan Alge marked him very well all night, and Todd posted what must have been one of his worst shooting performances of the season (3-15 FG, 1-7 3-PT).  Both Wood and Alge impressed me a lot on the defensive end.  Wood's excellent all-around effort made him the game's MVP.

Musky got strong bench performances from two players: Cory Bourquin (16 pts, 4-9 on 3s) and Senior Jason Dicken (10 pts, 3 blks.), who played with all the passion you'd expect from a man playing in his last collegiate game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2007, 12:34:58 am
What a strange gym that is up in Ada!  It seemed like the game was going on in another room, because, well, it was.  There's about a 25 foot empty space between the sidelines and stands on each side, so even though I was in about the 5th row, I couldn't see what was going on in the opposite corner.  There's a half-wall coming down from the ceiling on either side of the floor, putting the gym floor in what amounts to a separate room from the bleachers.  There were a bunch of chairs set up along the sideline opposite the Otterbein bench to allow for an up-close student section, but all the students did was mill around all night, talking to each other, and not really getting involved until the last three minutes or so.  Or maybe it just seemed that way; I suppose whatever noise they may have been making was swallowed up into the balcony above the floor.  I'll never complain about the HPER Center at Witt again; the two people who chose to sit in the top row must have been a half-mile from courtside, with part of a wall between them and the court.  Very, very odd atmosphere.

And it was a strange game, too.  A real defensive struggle, marked (as onefan notes) by inaccurate shooting, especially by the PBs.  ONU took a one-point lead with 3:37 left on a Cannan layup, then both teams stopped scoring; ONU couldn't hit anything (0-3), and after two misses of their own, Ott got hit with back-to-back charges.  Ott, down one, got the ball back with :30 left when Jake Cannan just gave it away in the paint, then Ott called timeout with :20 left to set up the final shot.  After the timeout, they moved the ball around the perimeter for 17 seconds without doing anything that looked like a play (which describes a great number of Ott's possessions tonight) before throwing the ball out of bounds.  Luckily (for Ott), an ONU player got his hand in the way of the attempted turnover, and Ott retained possession with :03.3 left.  They inbounded the ball to Banaszak, who looked for the screen to fire the jumper.  Instead he dumped it off to Ousley at about 8 feet on the right side of the lane, and he lifted up a floater that bounced three times on the rim while the horn sounded, then gracefully dropped through. 

For the game, Ott shot 44.9%, including 6/14 from the arc (3/4 by Banaszak, who had 13).  Ousley led the way with 19 augmented by 11 boards and 5 blocks, and even drained a sweet three-point jumper.  Ousley and Banaszak not only contributed more than 60% of their team's scoring, they also played 37 and 40 minutes, respectively.  Ousley was so important to the Cardinal attack that, when he was gassed midway through the second half, Dick Reynolds called timeout rather than subbing him out for a possession or two.  Ott only went to the line 5 times in the game, hitting two. 

At the other end, ONU shot a humbling 37.5%, just 4/13 from the arc, and missed 7 of 18 free throws.  Greg Badenhop was just 2/10 on the game, 1/6 from the arc, and most of his shots were way off.  He also did a lot of standing around on the offensive end; it seemed like he only moved if there was a screen being set for him.  A far cry from the Badenhop I've seen in the past, and a poor finish to his great career.  Bart Hostetler actually led the PBs in scoring, with 10.  Michael Hunter was a load inside, grabbing 8 rebounds and refusing to give Ousley any space when they were matched up.  Unfortunately, he was only on the floor for about half the game, while Ousley played virtually the whole 40.

I liked Ott's "old school" look.  They wore all red uniforms, not too baggy (especially compared to the yards and yards of fabric swaddling the PBs), with white piping and little other ornamentation.  It was the appropriate getup for a hard-nosed defensive sruggle; it would not have looked out of place had their jerseys said "INDIANA" instead of "OTTERBEIN." 

The ONU pep band was pretty good, too. 

Recap and box score (http://www.onusports.com/MHoops/Games/oac.html)

By the way, in the cover photo, I'm sitting behind Cannan and just below Ousley's left armpit.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2007, 05:34:23 am
I wouldn't be surprised at all if JCU takes the AQ from this conference and surprises people in the NCAAs.

I wouldn't either.  Much of it depends on the play of Brandon Mimes and Terry Walsh (who has really come on strong lately).  JCU will probably have to figure out a way to beat those losers from across town, though.  If John Carroll gets past Wilma and manages to beat BW, at least the Jackets can take solace in the fact that they can count Kenny Roda among their alumni, while John Carroll can claim nobodys like Tim Russert and Don Shula.

Don't forget London Fletcher-Baker.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 22, 2007, 08:30:37 am
For once the OAC played out as expected...3 blowouts and a close one.  I wanted to point out that JCU is streaming once again www.wjcu.org (http://www.wjcu.org)

I'm not sure that the game(s) from Capital will be covered, but they should be.  They always have in years past.

Now, looking ahead to tomorrow...I said it yesterday, JCU needs to find a way to beat BW.  It seems unbelievable to give this stat, given the success of the JCU program, but BW has won 6 straight over the Streaks and the last win for the good guys was back on January 12, 2005!!! 

In the last contest Carroll had a big half time lead and gave it back.  I was unable to attend the game, but I had a friend calling with updates.  He told me Mimes was more or less a nonfactor on both ends of the floor (I think he finished with 1-9 shooting).  Obviously, this can't happen again. 

I wish I could make a trip down to C-Bus and make a weekend out of these games, but I guess my brother's birthday comes before gorging myself on basketball (it's close though).

DC-
Couldn't agree more about ONU's gym.  Even though I never saw a game from the stands (always on press row), I can only imagine what it felt like to sit what seems like 100 yards from the action!  I'm surprised you didn't mention the Polar Bear in the corner by the far basket.  I'm told that thing used to roar and light up when the Bears made a three...but I've never seen it happen.

I also love Otterbein's uniforms.  Coupled with their old school gym (dim lighting making the unis look almost cream colored, classic look to their many banners) it's almost straight out of Hoosiers.

Picks:
JCU gets the monkey off their back over the losers.  Obviously, I'm making this pick as a totally unbiased observer.

The other purple is too much for Ousley and co..  Should be a fun weekend of hoops.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on February 22, 2007, 10:06:32 am
Toph, for the life of me, I can't figure out from your post why you call that cross-town team losers when by your own admission they have beaten the mighty babyblue streaks the last six times they have played. But it does make for a great weekend of hoops down in Columbus.  Great rivalry match-ups in JCU vs BW and Cap vs Ott with both having just played each other in the last week. There should be a good crowd with a great atmosphere for college hoops. The top 3 players in the OAC will be showcased  with Davis, Mimes, and Ousley all on display. In your unbiased opinion, who deserves the MVP of the league from among those 3??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 22, 2007, 10:30:49 am
My MVP voting (if I had one) in order:

1. Tori Davis far and away
2. Tyler Ousley
3. Brandon Mimes

No one has been more valuable to his team than Davis.  Mimes' value is evident in the number of wins with him vs. without him last year.  There are more factors than just Brandon Mimes though.  The Streaks have stayed much healthier this season...having at least one point guard in the lineup at all times is nice.  Terry Walsh is having a huge impact for the Streaks as well.

Now, as for why I call BW losers...allow me to explain, complete with emoticons:

Any school that counts a talk show host like Kenny Roda among their alumni is starting off in a deep hole.  "I'm a Steelers fan...but I'm also an Indians fan, Cavs fan, and Ohio State fan."  Really, Ohio State...because there aren't any colleges around Pittsburgh.  ???

They aren't Catholic.   ;)

They wear a very strange color of brown and couple it up with gold...great color scheme.  The uniforms they wear now that create a striping effect are probably the 5th ugliest uniforms I've ever seen in any sport at any level...and that is truly my unbiased opinion.   :-X

They reside on the West side.  :-\

Tyler Sekerak complains to the officials more than any player I've ever seen, including Pete Moran and Bill Lambier.  Why is it that whenever he's called for a foul he looks like he's about to cry?  :-[

Tori Davis and Thad Davis have been driving me nuts for years.  One of those two should've gone to another OAC school just to make things interesting. :o

And most importantly, they will lose on Friday!   ;D


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 22, 2007, 11:17:46 am

Any school that counts a talk show host like Kenny Roda among their alumni is starting off in a deep hole.  "I'm a Steelers fan...but I'm also an Indians fan, Cavs fan, and Ohio State fan."  Really, Ohio State...because there aren't any colleges around Pittsburgh.  ???

Toph, I feel your pain on this one!  For the life of me, I can't figure out how Cleveland's only all-sports radion station has a Steelers fan as a host?!  Why is he not a fan of the Pirates instead of the Indians?  Oh, because the Pirates are AWFUL!  And why not the University of Pittsburgh instead of OSU?  And who can forget the Pittsburgh Pythons in the movie 'The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fish_That_Saved_Pittsburgh) ??  ??? All Roda is in my book is nothing more than a fairweather fan!  Of course, it doesn't help that I am a huge Michigan fan, so his obnoxious takes on all things Ohio State makes me nautious to the point that I just choose not to listen to that clown!  Not that the fat slob that is Mike Trivisonno on 1100 is any better during the afternoon rush.   ::)  Talk radio in the afternoons in Cleveland really is lacking to say the least!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 22, 2007, 07:49:30 pm
Capital has posted information on their website about the impending OAC semifinals and finals this weekend at the Capital Center.  Follow the link for more information:

http://www.capital.edu/Internet/Default.aspx?pid=11661

Both games will feature live stats and audio, for those following from home.  I'll be there for the double-dip; if any other OAC posters will be present, I'll probably be the only person in the gym in a College of Wooster shirt!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on February 22, 2007, 10:18:11 pm
Toph, I do have to admit that I agree with some of your assessments but not entirely. First, I totally agree with your MVP ratings--there is no doubt that it should go in that order--Davis, Ousley, and Mimes. Anyone that has it any different hasn't watched any OAC basketball this year. Now we have to see how the coaches vote. I also agree with your evaluation of Kenny Roda but I'm sure all schools have some alumni that don't exactly shine. I do beg to differ with you about the Catholic part, not that BW is because they are a Methodist backed school, but I do believe that is also part of why JCU is disliked sometimes. Because of all their snooty, better than thou, arrogant private school upbringings that compose most of their team. Of course this rebuttal is not meant to slam JCU but to contradict the "losers" of BW. As far as the colors go, they are a bit strange. Name another NCAA school with those colors besides Wyoming and Western Michigan.  Maybe that makes them unique????  As far as the uniforms go, in seeing them play a few times this year and last, they are "different" but of course the uniforms do not the player make. (or something like that)  Now, about your remark about Tyler Sekerak being a whiner, you have to be kidding when you say he is worse than Moran. I'm willing to bet that there is not one player in the OAC more disliked by officials than Moran. (not that officials make those judgments) The few times I have seen him play make me wonder why he hasn't had more technicals and he has had a few. (I know, not his fault) I also can't believe his teammates enjoy playing with him when he does all that yelling at them.  But I digress.  And your last statement about the Davis brothers--I agree that most OAC schools would all rather they had played anywhere else, especially not in the OAC, but you have to agree that, from a basketball sense, they were a pleasure to watch.  And I have also heard that they are two of the nicest guys in the world--that's refreshing in this day and age of star athletes.  But in the final analysis, both schools are great and have great people, past and present.  One team will lose on Friday but that does not make anyone a loser. Only those people that make those remarks are truly the losers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2007, 10:26:04 pm
And your last statement about the Davis brothers--I agree that most OAC schools would all rather they had played anywhere else, especially not in the OAC, but you have to agree that, from a basketball sense, they were a pleasure to watch.  And I have also heard that they are two of the nicest guys in the world--that's refreshing in this day and age of star athletes.

Personally, I wish they had played at Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2007, 06:28:03 am
As far as the colors go, they are a bit strange. Name another NCAA school with those colors besides Wyoming and Western Michigan.

I'll name three NCAA schools whose team colors are brown and gold, two of them D3 schools: Rowan, Nebraska Wesleyan, and Adelphi.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2007, 08:41:27 am
Bouncer-
I hope you realize that I'm kidding around here...just having fun.  Although, I do think that Sekerak is as bad as Moran, just not as loud.  It's all in his facial expressions and body language.  And I also think the current uniforms the men's team wears (I think they started wearing them last year or the year before last) with the striping effect are absolutely hideous (away far worse than home).  Here are the only worse looking uniforms I can think of:

The brown and yellow San Diego Padres with the horizontal stripes, same style with the Houston Astros...what a terrible era for baseball.
The teal Vancuver Grizzlies unis.
The teal New York Islanders unis from around 1996-97.
The Cleveland Cavaliers unis from '94-'02...seriously, the Cavs have some of the greatest uniform styles in basketball history and then they have those "things."
The current Toronto Blue Jays uniforms...I don't even know what color that is.

That's it.  Those are the only uniforms I can think of that are worse looking than the current BW Men's Basketball uniforms (again, away looks far worse than home).

And if we're going to get into this debate, I will not hear any arguments about the old orange and white Tampa Bay Bucs.  2nd best helmet design ever (first is Patriot Pat), and perfect color scheme for the team...they stunk, and they looked like it.

As for the game tonight...I think it can go either way.  Carroll didn't play well in the first game, the 2-3 killed them offensively.  They shot it extremely well in the first half of the second game only to fall apart. 

We have two very good teams and two great coaches going at it.  I wish I could make the trip...but I'll be listening.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on February 23, 2007, 09:54:27 am
Actually we have 4 very good teams and 4 very good coaches that have led their teams to great things not only this year but in years past.  Cap center should be sold out and the place should be rockin'.  Hopefully we can get updates on the games as the evening progresses.  Question:  why hasn't Cap and BW gotten any mention in the regional rankings with JCU as high as third with the same records and Cap being tied for OAC title?? And I will bring back up the same old discussion about NCAC vs. OAC--it doesn't seem fair that Wooster and Witt seem to be a lock every year to reach the NCAA.  They are both traditionally excellent programs and I take nothing away from them for that, but they are virtually assured of a 20+ win total every year because of how pathetic that conference is overall. Both teams would do very well in the OAC but I would venture to guess that they would not win it every year like in the NCAC.  ONU this year showed them about the toughness of the OAC and they won't even reach the semis of the tourney this year.  But I guess you play who is on your schedule and go from there--maybe a little jealousy coming out but I'm sure the Caps, JCU's, BW's, and Ott's would rather prepare for the likes of Hiram, Oberlin, Denison, and Kenyon twice each year rather than each other or any of the other OAC schools.  Best of luck to all this weekend and may the games begin.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2007, 10:34:50 am
RE: Regional Rankings

I'm not an expert, and I will yield the floor for a more detailed explaination from our NCAC brethren, but the reason Cap and BW aren't "getting mentioned" in the regional rankings is because it's not something that is voted on.  It's a system based on a combination of different statistics.  People like David Collinge and scotsbrod can give you a much more educated and in depth description.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2007, 11:40:21 am
Ehh, it is and it isn't. It's mostly numerical, though there are still humans who do the ranking.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2007, 11:42:00 am
Question:  why hasn't Cap and BW gotten any mention in the regional rankings with JCU as high as third with the same records and Cap being tied for OAC title?? 

The regional ranking are based on five primary criteria.  Three of them are based on results of specific games (head-to-head, results vs. regionally ranked opponents, and results vs. common regional opponents).  The other two are numeric looks at the entire season, and these are the two that most of us believe determine the overall rankings.  These are in-region win % and Quality of Wins Index.  I'm not going to try to explain QoWI; you can find out about it in the site's FAQ section (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament).

Here's how the three OAC teams you mention stack up in these criteria:
JCU: regional win % .739, QoWI 9.957
Capital: regional win % .680, QoWI 9.200
B-WC: regional win % .714, QoWI 9.190

As you can see, JCU is higher than both Cap and B-W in both of these key statistics, and the gap of about 0.75 in QoWI is enormous.  That's why JCU is highly-ranked and the others are unranked.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2007, 11:45:16 am
And if we're going to get into this debate, I will not hear any arguments about the old orange and white Tampa Bay Bucs.  2nd best helmet design ever (first is Patriot Pat), and perfect color scheme for the team...they stunk, and they looked like it.

If "Patriot Pat" was the guy snapping the ball, I completely agree.  Why they went away from that to the ghastly helmet they have now I'll never understand.

Those old awful Bucs teams were a real joy.  There couldn't have been a better coach for that bunch than John McKay.  I still remember one post-game press conference with the following exchange:

Reporter: Coach McKay, how do you feel about the execution of your offense today?
John McKay: I'd be in favor of it.
 :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 23, 2007, 11:49:04 am
Here are the only worse looking uniforms I can think of:

The brown and yellow San Diego Padres with the horizontal stripes, same style with the Houston Astros...what a terrible era for baseball.
The teal Vancuver Grizzlies unis.
The teal New York Islanders unis from around 1996-97.
The Cleveland Cavaliers unis from '94-'02...seriously, the Cavs have some of the greatest uniform styles in basketball history and then they have those "things."
The current Toronto Blue Jays uniforms...I don't even know what color that is.

That's it.  Those are the only uniforms I can think of that are worse looking than the current BW Men's Basketball uniforms (again, away looks far worse than home).
I can think of one team's uniforms that I would put above all that you have listed and that would be the Oregon Ducks 157 different variations of their football uniforms!  Talk about hideous!!! :o

And if we're going to get into this debate, I will not hear any arguments about the old orange and white Tampa Bay Bucs.  2nd best helmet design ever (first is Patriot Pat), and perfect color scheme for the team...they stunk, and they looked like it.
I am probably one of the few that actually like the old orange uniforms of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.  My family lived down in the Sarasota area during that era and I loved those unis. 8)  I have been trying for years to get an old school orange Buccaneers hat on ebay or something, but to no avail. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2007, 12:05:13 pm
I was leaving Oregon out because they are an abomination.  I could rant for an hour about how horrible their uniforms are.  They are in an entirely different universe when it comes to bad uniforms.

And yes, Patriot Pat was the colonial in a tri-cornered hat snapping the ball on the Patriot's old helmets.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2007, 12:23:59 pm
Worst uniforms:

3. Marquette men's basketball, back in 1977 or so.  Shirt tails worn out, and that's where the name was printed.  Ridiculous.  This is the only picture I could find.
(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/mu/img/apr03/payne403.jpg)

2. Houston Astros candystripe model, from the 1980s.  They painted rows of seats in the Astrodome in the same candystripe pattern.  Nauseating.
(http://www.itsalreadysigned4u.com/shop/media/images/product_category/frt-08phrya494.jpg)

1. Chicago White Sox knickers model, from the late 1970s IIRC.  Of course, anything that involves the White Sox immediately zooms to the top of any "worst" list.
(http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/al/chisox/Soxshorts.JPG)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2007, 12:30:15 pm
I forgot about the White Sox Beer League Softball uniforms.  Oh Bill Veeck...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 23, 2007, 01:57:40 pm
Your welcome to put in-game updates here

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5127.75

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 23, 2007, 03:19:38 pm
David, thanks for bringing back images of those hideous south sider uniforms! ::) :D Just another example of how they will always be the 2nd team in the Second City!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2007, 03:25:25 pm
David, thanks for bringing back images of those hideous south sider uniforms! ::) :D Just another example of how they will always be the 2nd team in the Second City!!!

You know, I once made the argument with a White Sox fan who's a friend of mine that the White Sox are the 5th team in a 4 team town behind the Cubs, Bears, Bulls, and Blackhawks....even after they won the World Series.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 23, 2007, 05:28:18 pm

You know, I once made the argument with a White Sox fan who's a friend of mine that the White Sox are the 5th team in a 4 team town behind the Cubs, Bears, Bulls, and Blackhawks....even after they won the World Series.

Of course, I was just talking baseball. 8) 

You forgot about the Fire as well.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 23, 2007, 09:33:50 pm
Final:  John Carroll 76  Baldwin-Wallace 69

Blue Streaks advance to the OAC tourney final game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 23, 2007, 10:21:57 pm
Final:  Capital 69  Otterbein 49

Capital vs. John Carroll tomorrow night for the OAC automatic bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 23, 2007, 11:08:34 pm
I took in the OAC semifinals tonight; I'll post a more detailed description of the games soon, but my question for this board is for someone to determine what they think about this:

ONU and Witt have lost; no Pool Cs for them.  Because they are out, and Wooster, Hope and Lake Erie have taken care of business to this point for the "A" bids- do both Capital and JCU make the tournament regardless of outcome tomorrow night?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 23, 2007, 11:24:06 pm
scotsbrod,

My gut tells me that Cap needs the automatic to get in.  I don't know what their QoWI  is, but I'm basing this on the fact that they have yet to check into the GL Regional Rankings.  Of course that is bound to change now that ONU and Witt are bound to be checking out of said rankings.  It's funny how this year's Cap team could get a Pool C if they don't beat JCU tomorrow night, yet, those good Cap teams from a few years ago that REALLY deserved Pool C bids never got one. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2007, 11:46:06 pm
Don't think regionally.  The Pool C bids are given out on a national basis.  How many GL teams have fumbled away their Pool C chances, and how many other GL teams have earned anticipated Pool A bids, has no bearing on whether Capital has a chance at one.  The only possible effect is that it could move Capital to the "table" sooner, but it doesn't improve their selection odds once they get there.  (I use Capital in the example because I think JCU is probably in if they lose.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 12:00:45 am
I have a tendency to think that this year's Cap team deserves one, too, but I'm skeptical.  Capital's regional winning percentage after losing tomorrow night would be, well, crappy.  18-9, .666ish (I've learned that this last digit is variable).   ::)  .666 or .667 does not equal a Pool C, probably regardless of whether their QoWI can actually end up reasonable.  8 in-region losses is just too many.

But on the other hand, JCU will have 7 such losses if they lose and become a Pool C tomorrow:  18-7, .720, with a pretty darn good QoWI.  I think even that is below the Pool C win % threshold from last year.  The fact that they've been ranked might help, in so far as we know that their name is under serious discussion.  The GL is falling apart in terms of Pool Cs; I'm not sure how many we'll really end up getting.

I've become a fan of the OAC this year, with my move to the Columbus area, and I think it would be decidedly sad if only the AQ made it from the league.  I hope that doesn't happen.

Three of the teams I saw tonight- B-W, JCU, and Capital, could all give Wittenberg, Wooster and OWU a serious basketball contest.  I'm not sure that these OAC teams all deserve slots in the top 25, but I think all three of them could beat Wittenberg, who spent most of the year in the top 10.  This year, the "hyped" OAC team (ONU) didn't deliver, and I don't think anyone nationally has been able to quite reverse the image of ONU as the unquestioned "best team in Ohio" after their impressive string of December wins during Jan/Feb when ONU failed to even be the fourth best team in their conference.

I think it would be a shame to only get one OAC team- and I hope that their representative(s) to the NCAA tourney win two or three games each to show the country how well they can play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 24, 2007, 09:33:58 am
Scotsbrod....Good post regarding the OAC....I think the OAC, while traditionally very competitive was above average this year. I believe ONU was the only team in the conference tournament that had swept their opening round opponent during the season and they end up getting a loss hung on them at home. As to Wooster and Witt, if they were in he OAC they would of course be very competitive and no doubt win their share of conference games and OAC titles, but year in and year out they would not dominate. ONU manhandled Witt this year(I saw that game] and beat Wooster in a very hotly contested game on Wooster's home court...and got only one win in six passes against BW,CAP and JOHN CARROLL. As to the NCAA tournament,  I presume the geniuses will once again choose to take the OAC  tournament winner and call it a day.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 12:00:47 pm
Report from the OAC semis:

Game 1:  Baldwin-Wallace vs. John Carroll

This was an intense, entertaining, hotly contested basketball game.  A real pleasure to watch.  Both teams seemed to have a simple gameplan: don't let the other team's superstar beat you.  JCU always doubled-down on B-W standout Tori Davis.  Every single time he got a pass into the post, Carroll smothered him with defenders.  I know he ended with 15 (he averaged 22), but they felt like a quiet 15.

On the other side of the floor, B-W was in the business of denying Brandon Mimes the ball, too.  He ended with 11 (averages 20), and was also taken out of the offensive flow via strong defense.  Both Mimes and Davis are incredible athletes, though, and watching them fight for rebounds and work in the post- they were often defending one another- was fun.

Carroll's largest lead came with only a few minutes left.  Until the last minute or so this one was still in the air.  The second half consisted of a lot of little short runs 7-2, 5-2, 4-0 etc. that kept both teams in striking distance of each other.  Shooting precentages ended up almost identical: both teams shot 37.1% overall, only around 20% from 3, and Carroll made one more foul shot and three more FGs than B-W for the difference.  Rebounds were even too: 46-45 in favor of B-W.

One last thought: JCU traveled much better than B-W did.  Many more Carroll fans in attendance coupled with only Carroll's cheerleader team and pep band made the gym feel like a home game for Carroll.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 12:28:07 pm
I've gotta run to work- and will miss any and all games tonight because of it.  I can't get a full game two recap written.  Here are the essential highlights:

Capital contained Tyler Ousley.  Otterbein couldn't shoot well enough to compensate for not having too many points from Ousley (2-19ish from 3 pt land for the game!).  Regardless, though, this was the best game I've seen Capital play of the four times I've seen them now.  They deserved the victory.

Tonight:  I'll go with the mini-upset and root for Capital.  They shoot better than JCU, and that could be the difference.  I think Cap's Quinten Mitchell will be key for matching up with Brandon Mimes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 03:55:12 pm
And if we're going to get into this debate, I will not hear any arguments about the old orange and white Tampa Bay Bucs.  2nd best helmet design ever (first is Patriot Pat), and perfect color scheme for the team...they stunk, and they looked like it.

"I think it's appropriate that we look like giant Creamsicles, because we get licked every Sunday." -- John McKay
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 04:02:00 pm
But on the other hand, JCU will have 7 such losses if they lose and become a Pool C tomorrow:  18-7, .720, with a pretty darn good QoWI.  I think even that is below the Pool C win % threshold from last year.

No, it's actually slightly above it. The Pool C team with the lowest RW% last season was Illinois Wesleyan at .714 (15-6).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 05:37:48 pm
Thanks Greg.  I was just guesstimating.  So we should consider JCU in the hunt regardless, because they'll still have a pretty darn good QoWI even with a loss tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on February 24, 2007, 08:58:14 pm
Is Brandon Mimes always this dominant for JCU? And does he usually get to the line this often? 19 trips so far this game!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 11:20:57 pm
Is Brandon Mimes always this dominant for JCU? And does he usually get to the line this often? 19 trips so far this game!

The answer to your questions are yes, and yes.  He leads JCU in scoring (20.3 ppg), rebounding (10.6), blocks, steals, and FTs taken and made.  He doesn't actually shoot FTs very well, though, as he was only 60% coming into the OAC tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 11:39:02 pm
Just to officially put this here:

OAC Tournament Final:

John Carroll University 73, Capital University 78

Capital clinches their bid for the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 11:39:36 pm
Congratulations to Capital University's Mens Basketball team on their OAC regular season and tournament championships!

Capital's victory tonight clinches their program's first NCAA berth since the 95-96 season, which was current head coach Damon Goodwin's second year with the program.  It is also Capital's first OAC tournament title since the 84-85 season.  This is a team that could surprise people in the NCAA tournament- I would personally not be surprised if they end the season with their name in the Top 25.

Capital's lone senior, and super-sub, Brian Alge, earned OAC tournament MVP honors.  Congratulations to him as well!  He has consistently impressed me, and during the Otterbein semifinal matchup, his energy and determination formed the emotional core of Capital's inspiried and thorough victory.

Regardless of what Capital manages in the NCAAs, the future for this program seems bright.  They return their entire starting five next year, and most of their key contributors from the bench, as well.  Whatever noise they make in the NCAA this year, I suspect the bar for next year will be set high.

Good luck to Capital and (hopefully!!) John Carroll in the NCAA tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 25, 2007, 02:44:09 am
Is Brandon Mimes always this dominant for JCU? And does he usually get to the line this often? 19 trips so far this game!

Brandon Mimes is an outstanding D3 athlete,  JCU with Mimes last year likely would have had a good chance to beat Hope in Holland.  He sat out 2006

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 25, 2007, 09:23:09 am
I took in the Carroll/Capital game last night.  First and foremost, congratulations to Capital on the win.  Hopefully this means two OAC teams get in instead of one.

Was anyone else here at the game last night, because I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.  I think that Tim Glon (OAC Commish...and I hope he reads this) should be embarassed that this officiating crew was his championship crew.  They were horrendous on both sides.  Brandon Mimes travelled virtually everytime he touched the ball, Brian Alge was allowed to do pretty much whatever he wanted defensively (including holding onto the jersey) to Pete Moran, and they're lucky their wasn't a fight in the post with all the garbage they were letting the teams get away with.  What I really didn't understand was with the Alge/Moran thing, there were several occasions before an inbound that the officials would stop play to separate Alge from Moran.  If you're going to stop play, how can you not call a foul?  It didn't take long for them to completely lose control of the game, and on several occasions it seemed like they changed their calls because the crowd/benches made so much noise.

The two biggest calls happened to go Capital's way...Brandon Mimes' fourth and fifth fouls.  The fourth foul was a ticky-tac touch foul call, which I wouldn't have a problem with, except that both teams had been beating the crap out of each other all night.  His fifth foul for charging was questionable as well.  It didn't appear to me that the Capital defender had established position, it actaully looked like he stepped into Mimes.

Again, I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts on this, but if that's your championship crew, you're in serious trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on February 25, 2007, 03:36:37 pm
I wasn't at the game, but I'm familiar with how these two teams play the.  They reduce basketball to its lowest level, turning it into a complete backyard brawl.  They just dare the officials to call fouls, and eventually the officiating crews are worn down, giving in to the forceful will of the players. 

I don't give a damn when it's these two teams playing each other, as they deserve what they get, but when they face a team that actually plays legitimate basketball, that team will almost certainly get a poor shake from the refs as there just aren't enough calls ever made against the likes of JCU or Capital.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 25, 2007, 06:58:04 pm
Toph,

Been a long time since I posted.  I was at the game and know and have seen the officials.  Not the best, but I did not notice them.  I have ties to both schools.  I went to see a good game.  Why do people constantly bring up officials or calls about games.  Ultimately, it is up to the players and coaches who decide the games.  The coaches prepare the players and it is up to the players to execute, adjust to the game and officials. 

Mimes 4th foul could have been let go.  I did not have a good view of the fifth, so no comment.  Mimes also shot 24 FT's by himself to Capitals 21 as a team. 

I hope JCU gets in, but they had the chance to host and the chance to win the game.  They had the lead at the end, but Capital made a few more plays.  Don't bring up one or two calls about the game.  It looks bad and makes you sound like some fans at another school.  You are better than that.  JCU had a great year and hopefully it continues. 

Hats off to both teams for a great effort and entertaining game.

Wooster Booster,  there are different ways to skin a cat.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 25, 2007, 11:47:12 pm
And tonight it's official:  Both Capital and John Carroll will be representing the OAC in this year's NCAA Tournament.  Congratulations to both teams on their inclusion!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 26, 2007, 08:21:24 am
I wasn't at the game, but I'm familiar with how these two teams play the.  They reduce basketball to its lowest level, turning it into a complete backyard brawl.  They just dare the officials to call fouls, and eventually the officiating crews are worn down, giving in to the forceful will of the players. 

I don't give a damn when it's these two teams playing each other, as they deserve what they get, but when they face a team that actually plays legitimate basketball, that team will almost certainly get a poor shake from the refs as there just aren't enough calls ever made against the likes of JCU or Capital.

I should've stopped reading after the first sentence...but it's pretty tough to see from that high horse, isn't it?  I was referencing specific instances in a specific game, and you turn it into a rant about Capital and JCU playing the "lowest form of basketball."  Who are you to decide what is and what isn't the proper "form" of basketball?  Come off it.

Mimes 4th foul could have been let go.  I did not have a good view of the fifth, so no comment.  Mimes also shot 24 FT's by himself to Capitals 21 as a team.     

I thought Mimes' fifth was questionable, but I can see the charge being called.  I don't find it surprising that Mimes went to the line more than the entire Capital team.  Capital doesn't have the athletes in the post to stay with him, they had to foul and get him to the line to contain him.  Capital won, and deserved to win.  I hope I didn't sound like a guy who was bitching and moaning about losing.  I thought Goodwin and co. made great adjustments.  JCU could've run away with it in the second half when they got on that big run, but Capital hung around and made big shots when it counted (something Carroll certainly didn't do).

Now we just wait and see where everybody ends up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 26, 2007, 09:14:14 am
JCU is in and hosting!!!  And if they win they play LEC in round 2!  Great draw for the Streaks!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: cufan on February 26, 2007, 10:19:57 am
Gotta love the NCAA, Cap beats JCU and goes on the road while JCU hosts.

Good luck to both teams!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 26, 2007, 10:37:05 am
Gotta love the NCAA, Cap beats JCU and goes on the road while JCU hosts.

Good luck to both teams!

Regional rankings, my friend.  JCU was probably still higher.  The same thing happened when BW beat JCU a couple years back.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 26, 2007, 11:58:59 am
Gotta love the NCAA, Cap beats JCU and goes on the road while JCU hosts.

Good luck to both teams!

Regional rankings, my friend.  JCU was probably still higher.  The same thing happened when BW beat JCU a couple years back.
Yeah, I would agree that JCU was probably still the higher ranked team in the region.  Cap was coming off of a loss @ Ott when the last public regional rankings were released and JCU was pretty solidly entrenched in the 3rd spot.  Since the last regional rankings, #3 JCU lost to Cap in the OAC finals #4 Hope lost in the MIAA finals, #5 ONU lost in the OAC quarters and #6 Witt lost in the NCAC semis.  Cap wasn't ranked, but beating JCU in the OAC finals would not have been enough for them to overcome the gap that had been there between them and JCU leaving the Blue Streaks as the higher seed in the regional.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 26, 2007, 03:58:23 pm
I don't think Carroll could've gotten a more favorable draw, unless they had a first round bye.  They have Westminster at home, and should they win that, they have LEC.  I'm not counting these games as wins, but things are set up nicely for a Sweet 16 run.  Westminster should certainly be considered the underdog against Carroll (especially at home) and LEC has yet to prove themselves...I only wish the second round game was at Carroll as well so it could be played in a reasonably sized gym.  I'm afraid I may have to call in a favor or two to get a seat at the JCU/LEC game should it come to pass.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 26, 2007, 04:21:38 pm
I guess you are already past the topic of the OAC championship game, but I wanted to throw my two cents in.  I am a Cap grad and more of a football guy (played at Cap from 93-96), but I was in Columbus over the weekend and saw that Cap was hosting the OAC tourney and was playing in the Championship, so I went.  Here are my thoughts, for what they are worth:

Mims from JCU is a beast.  Capital couldn't stop him, and when he fouled out with a minute and change left, he had HALF of JCU's points.  That's a huge loss, no matter how you slice it.  I agree with Toph that his fourth foul was kind of ticky-tack, especially with as physical as the game was being allowed to be played.  His fifth, the charge, was probably questionable too, but the bottom line is that JCU needed to then find offense, which they struggled to do.  I also agree with Toph (a JCU guy, nonetheless) that Mims traveled nearly every time he made a move to the basket.  But, the refs (awful, by the way), let him get away with it, and he responded with a huge game.  It might have been different in the last minute if JCU could have simply gotten the ball to Mims and counted on two or the basket plus one.

Capital played a great team game, and got a lot off the bench.  They shot really well and probably deserved to win.  I am glad, however, that both teams got a bid.  It was well deserved.

Good luck to both teams.  I don't usually follow the D3 hoops tourney except in passing, but since Cap is in for the first time since I was in school, I will probably keep a closer watch on the scores than usual.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 26, 2007, 04:36:06 pm
JK-
Finally a Cap football guy comes over to talk some hoops!  Looks like things are set up for the Crusaders to make another run at it next year as well.  I like Kaiser (sp.) with his inside outside game, sweet stroke for a big man.  I've always liked Stahl (although I thought his undercutting Mimes looked intentional in the second half), and they only lose one senior, I think. 

I think Capital will have a tougher time getting out of the first round than Carroll will, but I'd love to see both OAC teams advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 01:51:14 pm
From the College of Wooster website:

» NCAA Div. III Tournament Ticket Information: There will be a pre-sale at Wooster's Physical Education Center Wednesday from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m., and Thursday also from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. as well as 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. On Friday, tickets will go on sale starting at noon, and the gates open at 4 p.m. Tickets are $6 for adults and $3 for all students. One ticket is good for both games on Friday.

I do not know what arrangements, if any, have been made for pre-sale tickets at Capital.

Capital plays Centre at 6pm, with the Wooster/Transylvania game to follow 30 mins. after the first game ends, not before 8pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 06:41:00 pm
The All-OAC awards have been announced: http://www.oac.org/documents/2007MBBAll-OAC.pdf

Tori Davis of B-WC is the Mike Gregory Award recipient as conference MOP, the second straight season he's won this award.  I feel compelled to note that this award is named for a Denison University student-athlete, albeit one from the 1920's.  ;D  Davis is a four-time all-OAC honoree. 

Joining Davis on the first team are Tyler Ousley of Otterbein and Brandon Mimes of JCU, the other two players we had suggested as MOP candidates, as well as Brandon Todd (Muskingum), Greg Badenhop (ONU), and Nate Stahl of the OAC Champion Capital Crusaders.  Capital's Damon Goodwin was named Coach of the Year.  The OAC doesn't seem to give a Newcomer of the Year award.

Congratulations to all of these honorees!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 07:23:13 pm
Update on tickets, from the Capital website (http://www.capital.edu/Internet/Default.aspx?pid=71):

NCAA Tournament -- TICKET PRESALE
Tickets for Friday's Capital-Centre NCAA Tournament game will be available for sale in the athletic offices on the second floor of The Capital Center on Wednesday from 12-5 p.m. and Thursday from 9 a.m. - 1 p.m.  Tickets are $6 for adults and $3 for students.


I don't know if tickets for Saturday's game will be available in this manner, but those of you coming on Friday can obtain tickets either before or after Friday's game at Wooster.  Although there should be good crowds for all three games, I don't anticipate that any will sell out, so ticket availability should not be a problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2007, 11:57:36 pm
JK-
Finally a Cap football guy comes over to talk some hoops!  Looks like things are set up for the Crusaders to make another run at it next year as well.  I like Kaiser (sp.) with his inside outside game, sweet stroke for a big man.  I've always liked Stahl (although I thought his undercutting Mimes looked intentional in the second half), and they only lose one senior, I think. 

I think Capital will have a tougher time getting out of the first round than Carroll will, but I'd love to see both OAC teams advance.

Good point about Steve Kyser and his inside-out game.  He will pop the trey if you leave him alone out there.  I think things are setting up very well for Cap for next season, but I'm sure that they aren't worried about that one yet.    :)

Centre seems like a stiff challenge, but I can't get a good sense of them from just statistics.  I posted a breakdown of Capital on Centre's home board (SCAC/South Region), so maybe someone from there will come here and return the favor.

Toph, will you be at the first rounder for JCU?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 28, 2007, 09:18:42 am

Toph, will you be at the first rounder for JCU?

Wouldn't miss it.  I plan on going as far as they do.  Presale tickets for General Admission go on sale today, for anyway planning on going.  I'm not sure what sort of crowd to expect.  JCU traveled well for the OAC tourney, so I think the DeCarlo Center will be rocking, but I don't know what Westminster will bring.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 28, 2007, 12:46:26 pm
I'm not sure what sort of crowd to expect.  JCU traveled well for the OAC tourney, so I think the DeCarlo Center will be rocking, but I don't know what Westminster will bring.
Toph,

It's hard to say what type of crowd Westminster will bring.  It's not really that long of a drive from New Wilmington, PA to greater Cleveland.  When I was at Westminster, we were a football school 1st and foremost and basketball was merely an aferthought unless we made the postseason.  Put it this way, I never missed a home football game, whereas, I've been to more Westminster basketball games after graduation than I had been to as a student (and that has to due with the Wooster-Westminster series over the past 6 seasons).

Lately, Westminster's football program hasn't been very good at all, and this is the Titan's first foray into the postseason in basketball in quite some time (I'm not counting their ECAC berth in '03-04).  So, maybe the 1st taste of post-season will peak the interest of some causing a greater than normal turnout to support the Titans. 

With all that said, I still don't think it's going too much out on a limb to think that the DeCarlo is going to be strongly pro-JCU on Friday night, however!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 28, 2007, 01:01:30 pm
BTW Toph, did you notice that JCU's spring break starts Friday?  Will that have any affect on the student turnout for the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 28, 2007, 04:21:03 pm
I didn't notice.  I would guess it probably would.  I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them leave on Thursday...that was usually the way things worked.  Hopefully there will be a good crowd sticking around. 

If nothing else, it could make getting a ticket Saturday a little easier if the Streaks win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 28, 2007, 04:49:09 pm
Lake Erie, in effect, will be on spring break as well.  Their spring break is March 5-11, but as March 5 is Monday, anyone going anywhere for spring break will be gone by Saturday, especially since it's just a one-week break.

Suddenly, that 750-seat gym isn't looking so small.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2007, 09:56:22 pm
Centre is the best defensive team in the SCAC, probably next followed by Trinity (TX).  In other words, the stats aren't lying! 

They also rely on 6' 91/2" John Patterson for solid rebounding and shot-blocking.  I swear Patterson is taller than his listed height.  He had a monster defensive game against Edrick Montgomery (Millsaps) in the SCAC tournament semi-final.  Montgomery is very athletic and vied for Player of the Year in the conference.  He also produced a double-double in points & boards against Millsaps.

Excellent passing team with good leadership from juniors and seniors on this team.  Guards shine on the Colonels with Nestheide taking POTY.  He hit 8 3's in the final game, including a 55 footer at the half.  He's a gamer.

Senior Matt Jacobson contributes in  a multiitude of ways - rebounding, defense, dribble-driving and sinking open 3's.
 :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 01, 2007, 08:16:12 am
So, pbrooks, how's this game going to go?

My honest, as unbiased as possible prediction for the Carroll game tonight...Catholics in a walk over the Presbyterians.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 05:07:42 pm
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Could someone here do one for Capital and/or John Carroll? Thanks much!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 01, 2007, 08:25:42 pm
5 min to go

JCU by 1 

whoa!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 01, 2007, 08:32:24 pm
1:18 left

JCU 83 Westminster 81 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 01, 2007, 08:35:52 pm
6.4 second JCU lead 85-83

Westminster ball
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 01, 2007, 08:38:09 pm
Westminster layup to tie.......called a charge......JCU survives.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 01, 2007, 09:45:49 pm
Survives is right.  Hopefully JCU can put together two good halves on Saturday.  A better opponent would've stepped on the throat and sealed this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 01, 2007, 10:32:39 pm
Toph,

Were you at this game?  Was that charge call a good call?

I can't believe Westminster came this close to upsetting JCU on the road considering they were coming off of an almost 20 point loss at home to Grove City!  :o 

Was this a wake-up call for the Blue Streaks, or does this give some hope for the LEC Storm???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 02, 2007, 08:20:02 am
I was at this game, and the charge (as unbiased as I can possibly be) was absolutely the right call.  Moran was there well before Joseph came barreling through. 

I don't think enough credit has been given to John Carroll for their defense on that play.  No matter what anyone says, I will forever refuse to believe that the Westminster coach drew that up.  There is no way that he wanted Joseph handling the ball and trying to score.  To his credit, Joseph saw an opening (he was left virtually unguarded) and took it.  As he was coming down the floor, though, I was thinking "This is exactly who I want handling the ball (as a Carroll fan)."  For Rosatelli to not touch the ball on the final posession is ridiculous.  The guy had 27 points and he was quicker than almost every other player on the floor.

Here is the story of the game, I think:  First half FGs for JCU 12-32 (37.5%), 1-12 (8.3%) from three, and 3-5 (60%) at the line.  Second half:  18-39, 5-11, 18-19

Mike Moran wins the "backhanded compliment of the year" award for this one:  "We played a good team that had a great night."  Translation:  "We should've won by 15."

I'll take the win, and I hope that the LEC players who were at the game think that this is the JCU team they're going to get...and again, I hope JCU puts together two good halves.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 02, 2007, 08:26:12 am
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 03, 2007, 10:28:47 am
This is killing me. First off the JCU and WC game, it was a bad call and should have been a no call. (Rosatelli was double teamed in the back court which is why Joseph was so wide open.)  I mean Joseph missed the shot anyway but man what a terrible call. They let Mimes get away with over the back every single play so why not swallow this whistle on this one. Second, why is everyone saying “Ohhh JCU escaped and they weren’t ready to play” how about this one…..WESTMINSTER IS A GOOD TEAM!! You don’t win 18 ball games by being a bad team. Why does everyone think JCU is so great, they are a good team that I feel Westminster would beat them 50-55 times if they played 100 times. Stop that garbage about JCU getting a scare; they almost lost to a team that I thought was better. Rosatelli, Hannon and Adams were just as good as those guys if not better. All of you OAC guys need to wake up and realize your conference isn’t the best thing since sliced bread. WC is that close to you guys no matter what kind of night it is, and the PAC obviously isn’t as bad as you think. THE OAC ISN’T THAT GREAT, WC IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK!!!! I hope that JCU gets to Wooster. That final will be 101-82 Scots in a ROUT!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 03, 2007, 12:20:42 pm
This is killing me. First off the JCU and WC game, it was a bad call and should have been a no call. I mean Joseph missed the shot anyway but man what a terrible call.

No, a charge is a charge.  Joseph plowed into Moran.  That's what happens when a guy who is 6-3 250 runs into a guy who is 5-10 160...and he missed the shot.

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They let Mimes get away with over the back every single play so why not swallow this whistle on this one.

No, they didn't.  If Mimes doesn't make contact, which he didn't very often, it's not over the back.  He reached over the WC players to tip the ball away from them.  He has an extremely large wingspan.  The fact that WC had no one in the post as athletic as him and didn't put a solid box out on him is hardly the fault of the referees.  Things might have been different if #42 could've gone 3 minutes without commiting a foul.

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Second, why is everyone saying “Ohhh JCU escaped and they weren’t ready to play” how about this one…..WESTMINSTER IS A GOOD TEAM!!

Because JCU is a much better team than Westminster, that's why everyone is saying JCU wasn't ready to play. 

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You don’t win 18 ball games by being a bad team.

No one said they were a bad team. 

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Why does everyone think JCU is so great, they are a good team that I feel Westminster would beat them 50-55 times if they played 100 times. Stop

No one said JCU was great, just better than Westminster and better than they showed Thursday night.  And as for Westminster winning 50 times if they played 100...I doubt it.  Rostelli is the only player that really gives WC any kind of advantage over this JCU team.

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All of you OAC guys need to wake up and realize your conference isn’t the best thing since sliced bread

You're right, the MIAA is better...but that's about it.

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WC is that close to you guys no matter what kind of night it is

No.  If they played in the OAC WC probably doesn't make the playoffs.

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THE OAC ISN’T THAT GREAT, WC IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK!!!!

Yes is is, and no they're not.  No one said they were bad, no one said they were undeserving.  They just aren't as good as JCU (or Capital, or Northern, or BW).  You're starting to sound like a three year old whose ball was taken away from him.

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I hope that JCU gets to Wooster. That final will be 101-82 Scots in a ROUT!!!

I think even the Scots fans disagree with you here.  You do realize that JCU has a lot of success in the postseason, don't you? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 12:48:35 pm
I'm certainly not looking forward to the possibility of seeing JCU in the Sweet Sixteen.  But after watching Capital last night, I have to wonder about how good the OAC actually was this season.  I saw Capital early in the season look very mediocre against Denison and Kenyon; I believe I actually employed the term "understank" to describe their win over Kenyon.  I was looking forward to seeing the improvements they must have made in order to end up as co-champions and tourney champions of a tough league like the OAC.  Instead, last night I saw the same team that struggled to beat lowly Denison in November. 

I operate from the assumption that, with all their talent, JCU is a better team than Capital, as were B-W and ONU, at least in spurts.  But I am at a loss to explain how such a mediocre team as Capital could have gone 5-2 against those three and won the OAC.  Capital's play against Centre, coupled with JCU's narrow win at home vs. Westminster, makes me concerned that Lake Erie might actually beat the Streaks tonight, which would be a tough pill for the OAC to swallow.  Then again, Lake Erie is another team that struggled to beat lowly Denison, so who knows.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 03, 2007, 12:50:57 pm


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All of you OAC guys need to wake up and realize your conference isn’t the best thing since sliced bread

You're right, the MIAA is better...but that's about it.


I believe you're thinking of the WIAC?  There have been years that the MIAA has been good, but I would never put that conference above the OAC.


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WC is that close to you guys no matter what kind of night it is

No.  If they played in the OAC WC probably doesn't make the playoffs.

I also wouldn't go that far as to say the Westminster wouldn't make the OAC Tournament.  I do agree that the Titans aren't as good as john201 is making them out to be, but at the same time, they aren't that bad that they wouldn't even finish in the top 8 of the OAC either.


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THE OAC ISN’T THAT GREAT, WC IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK!!!!

Yes is is, and no they're not.  No one said they were bad, no one said they were undeserving.  They just aren't as good as JCU (or Capital, or Northern, or BW).  You're starting to sound like a three year old whose ball was taken away from him.

I totally agree with this.  Westminster did show that they were better than people might have thought and as an alumnus, I was proud to see the effort they put forth.  However, as Toph pointed out, while they did give JCU a good test, I still wouldn't be inclined to put the Titans in the same class as the B-W's, Northerns or JCU's.  Although, after seeing Cap's performance last night (or lack of one), I'm having trouble figuring out how they ended up winning the OAC?


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I hope that JCU gets to Wooster. That final will be 101-82 Scots in a ROUT!!!

I think even the Scots fans disagree with you here.  You do realize that JCU has a lot of success in the postseason, don't you? 
This Scots fan totally agrees with you Toph!  Given the recent history between Wooster and JCU in the Dance, I wouldn't give either team the edge at this point if they end up meeting each other.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 03, 2007, 01:03:47 pm
I meant the WIAC and when I said playoffs I meant national playoffs.  They would certainly make the OAC tourney.

As for Capital's showing last night...I wish I could've seen it, but I never thought they were better than JCU, BW, or ONU.  Sometimes in a crazy league, crazy things happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 03, 2007, 01:06:21 pm
Wait a minute. Toph you are going to sit here and tell me that Chris Day is a better player than Craig Hannon (1300 carreer points and still has a year left) and Nick Adams who had 16 points in the game? Rosatelli was not the only advantage WC had. The last time I checked you werent allowed to stand under the hoop, get there late and take a charge. It was an awful call that should have been a no call. And if you would have read what I said, Joseph did miss the shot so you're right it wouldn't have mattered. By the way, Westmini beat Marietta at Marietta by about 30 so to say that WC wouldn't make the OAC playoffs is a joke. John Carroll is not as good as you think, they are a good team but nothing for all of you fans to get all crazy about. They should beat Lake Erie but I have seen Wooster and the Scots will roll over this team. Mimes is the only player that can even play at the level of those guys. I'd love to see WC play more OAC teams because your eyes will open. OAC got blasted by Centre and got outplayed in the first round and got by. Again, JCU ISNT THAT GREAT!!!---- I feel like I am going Dan Hawkins here and having to point out the obvious. Go Scots. Tom Port is a beast.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 01:15:20 pm
By the way, Westmini beat Marietta at Marietta by about 30 so to say that WC wouldn't make the OAC playoffs is a joke.

LOL!  You do realize that Marietta finished five full games out of the last playoff spot in the OAC, right?  That they were 5-20 on the season and 1-17 in the OAC?  That they are the rough equivalent of Thomas More?  I think you have a reasonable argument that Westminster is underrated, but a victory over Marietta by whatever margin (it was 25) on whatever court does not advance it.  In fact, by far the most damning thing you can point out about Ohio Northern was that they somehow managed to lose to 'Etta.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 03, 2007, 01:35:47 pm
Re:  How in the World did Capital win the OAC?

Last night was the fifth time I've seen Capital this year, and second time on the road.  The two road losses had much more in common with each other than the three home wins.  Capital's effort last night was lacking, espeically later in the game.  Perhaps they really did just get tired; perhaps they were just never able to "gear up" enough to meet the level of competition that an NCAA game requires.

This is still a young team.  As I noted on the SCAC board and the national team profiles/preview board, Capital was already on something of a cinderella run.  Picked fifth in the OAC preseason poll, they rose above that and played better basketball late in the season and defended their home court to key their OAC tournament run, and the NCAA automatic bid.  The NCAA tournament game saw their sudden return to early season form- but this is a team gaining experience and they should be a legitimate factor in the OAC and perhaps into the NCAAs for next season, too.

I saw their lackluster effort last night, same as several of you, but I think we should note that this team already exceeding expectations and congratulate them on a good season that they should be able to build on next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on March 03, 2007, 11:15:05 pm
Got to get my two cents worth in regarding the recent discussions concerning Cap, John Carroll, Westminster College and the strenghts of  each team etc....I too am still trying to come to grips with just how Capital finished on top of the OAC. Overall I think John Carroll and ONU are better teams, but as posted previously, sometimes strange things happen in the OAC...John201 needs to take a look at recent history before proclaiming Wooster would administer a major "butt whipping"to John Carroll  should they meet in the tournament...ONU took down Wittenberg with relative ease early in the season and then at the Mose Hole Classic beat two pretty decent teams in Wooster and UW-LaCrosse in back to back contests...They couldn't get one win in four tries against Cap and John Carroll...Of course anything can happen in a tournament, but I don't see John Carroll or Wooster for that matter getting blown out by anybody in division III unless they have one of those "What the Hell happened to us" games like ONU had against Marietta...losing to them by four after having beaten them by thirty earlier in the season. I don't see JC getting to the final four, they just don't have the horses to get it done, but I do think they could give Wooster all they can handle. Oddly enough I have seen Wooster play twice this year and they lost both times, to ONU and Witt...Ther're a very good basketball team and well coached, but I don't see them as a final four team either. As for Westminster College....I doubt that they considered trouncing Marietta as a watershed moment in their season....By the way they won by twenty five, not "thirty or so"...98-73...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 04, 2007, 11:02:07 pm
Oddly enough I have seen Wooster play twice this year and they lost both times, to ONU and Witt...Ther're a very good basketball team and well coached, but I don't see them as a final four team either.
First of all, it's hard to get a good gauge on a team after seeing them once or twice in a season.  I only saw ONU once, but I came away with them very impressed.  I really didn't foresee the fall they suffered as the OAC season wore on.  As for your opinion of Wooster not being a Final 4 caliber team after seeing them twice (granted both losses) I'd like to add that maybe if you had gotten the opportunity to witness any of their last 3 games you might change your opinion of Wooster being a Final 4 team.  Of course, JCU will not be an easy task in their quest to reach Salem, but as the coaches of each of their last 3 victims have stated, if Wooster continues to play at the level they have since the postseason began, they will be tough to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 05, 2007, 08:16:48 am
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1300 carreer points and still has a year left

You forgot to add "in the PAC."  He may be a better player...but I didn't say that JCU had better players at every position.  Reread my post.  I said that Rostelli was the only player that gave WC a significant advantage at any position.  I can't believe we're still talking about this.  You lost, and JCU is in the Sweet 16.  Now we'll get to see if you're right about Wooster "rolling" over the Streaks.

In case you need a history lesson, in JCU's last two playoff appearances they're 3-0 against the NCAC...all on the road, not on a neutral floor.  I guarantee the Wooster players and fans don't have the same mindset that you do.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 05, 2007, 03:02:38 pm
Hey guys, I just thought I'd pop in to let you know about a little project we did. A group of around 40 posters banded together and created a Unofficial Guide to the 2006-2007 NCAA Tourney, that contains a team-by-team breakdown of the teams in the tournament. This is especially cool given the fact that the official NCAA guide gives you very little insight into the teams, and nearly all of the previews in the Unofficial Guide were made by fans of the team.

The website is: http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/ncaatourney and on that website you can find browsable information, as well as a 19 page printable PDF document. This was updated as of this morning.

While I doubt that we'll ever get any posters to submit information for the 11 teams that did not submit previews, it does include previews from 48 of the 59 teams in the tournament, and all of the teams in the Sweet Sixteen. I hope you check it out and enjoy the content!

If there are any corrections or content additions you would like to me, please submit them to me by PM. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2007, 06:04:25 pm
JCU ticket information:

Quote from: JCU website
A limited number of tickets allotted to John Carroll for Friday night's game against Wooster will be sold at John Carroll beginning on Wednesday, March 7, from 12p - 7p and on Thursday, March 8, from 10a - 12a (or until sold out) at the DeCarlo Varsity Center entrance. Tickets are $7 for adults, $4 for senior citizens/students with ID/children. Children under 2 are free

Please note that Friday's games are being treated as a split session, meaning soon after the John Carroll-Wooster game has concluded, the gym will be cleared so that ticket holders for the second game between St. John Fisher and Brockport State can be seated.

The JCU vs. Wooster game will not be televised -- but will be carried on three separate /audio broadcasts
Those three broadcasts are JCU's student station (http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/Athletics/varsity/news/tournament_central_ncaambk07.htm), WQKT/Wooster (http://www.wooster.edu/interactive/), and D3hoops.com (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pacfollower on March 05, 2007, 09:46:32 pm
OAC is a good league, but nowhere near as good as they think. Moran's kid plays because his dad is the coach. Rosatelli from Westminster scorched him for 27 and dominated him all night.  Rosatelli and Hannon  from Westminster would easily start for John Carroll.

Walsh and Mims great players, but Wooster should roll.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 10:56:58 pm
Moran's kid plays because his dad is the coach. Rosatelli from Westminster scorched him for 27 and dominated him all night.

Yeah. After all, anyone could average in double figures. Those kids are a dime a dozen.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pacfollower on March 05, 2007, 11:17:28 pm
Moran didn't score against Lake Erie, he is a stiff. Walsh and Mimes carry that team.  But they have a beaten coming against Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 11:22:15 pm
Guess we'll find out. I look forward to seeing that game in person.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 06, 2007, 10:21:56 am
I wish I could share in the overconfidence that pacfollower and john201 seem to have in Wooster beating JCU, but I don't.  There's just something about John Carroll stepping it up a notch come tournament time.  Moran just seems to get the best out of his players this time of year, especially against Wittenberg and Wooster! 

Toph,

I was looking over the roster and statistics for JCU and it doesn't seem like they are as deep as in years past.  I remember their big thing when Wooster faced them back in the '03 and '04 tournaments was their 'hockey style' line changing.  Looking at the player's minutes, it doesn't seem like they play this scheme anymore.  How deep do the Blue Streaks go?  I noticed they have 4 guys right around 30 mpg in Moran, Mimes, Walsh and Day.  But after those 4, the minutes drop off considerably as there are 3 players listed averaging around 14-15 mpg.  I also was wondering who the 5th starter will likely be?  It looks like Moran can't settle on one 5th starter and it's been 2 freshman making a majority of starts.

Wooster plays pretty much an 8 man rotation.  I'm looking forward to seeing some of the matchups we'll see on Friday.  I'm wondering who Moore would put on Mimes and Walsh.  My guess would be that Tom Port would take Mimes.  I think Will and Vandervaart would be too slow to stay with Mimes.  I would guess a  combination of Andy Van Horn and Marty Bidwell (Wooster's defensive specialists) would be assigned to try and slow down Walsh.  These are just guesses on my part, of course.

Looking forward to Friday.  Unfortunately, I won't be there in person.  I had to choose between going this weekend or holding out hope that the Scots make it to Salem.  Needless to say, I would rather see the Scots in Salem than in Crapchester! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 06, 2007, 10:32:38 am
Moran didn't score against Lake Erie, he is a stiff. Walsh and Mimes carry that team.  But they have a beaten coming against Wooster.

Hopefully you have an English lesson coming from someone.  You're right about Moran, though.  All he's doing is averaging 10 points and 5 assists per game.  What team could possibly use that kind of production out of their PG?  He has absolutely no talent and no leadership skills...if his dad wasn't the coach they would sit his 10 points and 5 assists on the bench where they should be.

And PAC folks who keep claiming that JCU is going to get drilled...you were saying the same thing when the Streaks beat Bethany in the first round a couple years back.  In fact, Bethany's fans were chanting "You'll lose Sat-ur-day (clap, clap, clap clap clap)."  In case you forgot, JCU didn't lose.

If JCU has a "beaten [sic]" coming from Wooster, what would the Scots do to WC?  In the event that WC ever has to play Woo should they even bother showing up?  Sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me.

A lot of you (from the PAC no less) keep saying "the OAC isn't that good" and yet the OAC keeps doing well in the postseason.  Ask the Wooster fans if they think the Streaks have a "beaten [sic]" coming.

ScotsFan-
I also won't be able to make it over the weekend.  If the Streaks manage to get to Salem I'll be there.

As for the team not being as deep, you're right.  They don't quite go 10 deep like they used to.  The "starters" are getting more minutes than they used to in Moran's system.  Often times in the second half he will abandon the platooning and play matchups.  Moran loves to platoon, but he also loves to win, and he'll tweak "the system" as much as necessary.  Think about it this way:  Would you want Brandon Mimes out of the game simply because 10 posessions have passed?

The players to watch are Pete Moran (but I hear he's a stiff...Witt fans probably agree ;)),
Mimes of course, Terry Walsh (he's been pretty cold throughout the playoffs, but hit some big shots against LEC), Rudy Kirbus (frosh from Iggy...you may remember him as a QB...plays great inside and out), John Curran (tough, gritty kid...plays the right way), Derek Smith came up large in the LEC game.  Curran and Smith are more roleplayers.  More than anything this team features a couple big players and several guys who just need to stay in their roles.  Still, they have enough weapons to be dangerous against anyone.

If I remember correctly Wooster struggled down low last time the two teams met.  I expect much of the offense to go through Mimes because he will be the most athletic player on the floor.  Wooster's ability to shoot from the outside really helped them last time.  John Carroll will need to play better defense to win.  Their help side D (something Lake Erie does surprisingly well) was awful in the first two tournament games.

Hope it's a good one on Friday, and I hope JCU's streak against the NCAC continues!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 06, 2007, 11:04:29 am
I'm wondering who Moore would put on Mimes and Walsh.  My guess would be that Tom Port would take Mimes.  I think Will and Vandervaart would be too slow to stay with Mimes. 

My guess would be that the assignment to guard Mimes will rotate through the lineup, including all three mentioned above, and probably Bidwell, Fulk, Van Horn, and even Cooper at times as well.  Port may be the best defender of a big, athletic scorer, but we can't afford for him to get in foul trouble. 

Oh, and Port's pretty athletic himself, for those who haven't seen him this season. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on March 06, 2007, 12:07:48 pm
Scotsfan, You are right. It is difficult to gauge a team based upon two games, especially two losses and in reviewing the balance of their season they certainly had some impressive wins against some solid opponents.   Wooster may very well get it done this year, if they continue to play the calibur of basketball they are capable of playing, but tournament basketball is a different animal...."one and done" can bring out the deer in the headlights look at the most inopportune moments... As for John Carroll vs. Wooster....I think Wooster has better personnel, but JC does tend to turn it up come tournament time. Got to go with the talent.. Wooster in a close one...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 06, 2007, 09:58:31 pm
I am going to agree with David.  I do however think that Van Horn and Bidwell will be on Walsh most of the game.  But we can't afford to have Port in foul trouble guarding Mimes.
Also I'd like to say it's nice to see that someone finally has Mimes listed as a center on the roster instead of a guard as he was tagged for the entire year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 07, 2007, 10:35:02 am
If I remember correctly Wooster struggled down low last time the two teams met.  I expect much of the offense to go through Mimes because he will be the most athletic player on the floor.  Wooster's ability to shoot from the outside really helped them last time.  John Carroll will need to play better defense to win.  Their help side D (something Lake Erie does surprisingly well) was awful in the first two tournament games.

Hope it's a good one on Friday, and I hope JCU's streak against the NCAC continues!
The last time these two teams met was in the 'Elite 8' in '04 was it not?  Port was only in his 1st year with the program and he was the only player on Wooster's current roster that saw minutes in that game.  Brandon Mimes and Pete Moran are the only 2 on JCU's roster that saw action in that game as well.  So to draw any analysis from that game wouldn't really be relevant to Friday's meeting.  Just out of curiosity,  I also looked up the box score from that last meeting and it wasn't really JCU's inside game that beat Wooster, it was Mike Grogan going 6-9 from 3-point range.   :o ???

As for Friday's game, I looked over the box scores for JCU's last 2 tournament games and it looks as if JCU has a weakness defending guards.  Three out of the top four scorers for LEC were guards (arguably all 4 were guards as Thornton is listed as a G/F).  Likewise, Westminster had 3 in double figures and they were all guards led by Rosatelli's 27.  This looks like it could play big time into Wooster's favor as it's no secret that the strength of this team is the guard play and their perimeter shooting.  Seeing as how JCU allowed Rosatelli to go off for 27, I'm guessing James Cooper for Wooster is licking his chops to see what he can do!

This week is just dragging!  I just wish Friday would get here so we can get on with the Tournament!!! :P ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 07, 2007, 07:51:00 pm
FYI...

I just opened up a new topic in the Multi-Region room concerning this sectional.
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5165.new#new

It might make it easier for the followers of all 4 teams to discuss the tournament there; one-stop shopping.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 07, 2007, 08:47:13 pm
Toph,

10 and 5 OMG WHAT GREAT NUMBERS!!!! I mean the kid fouled out of the LEC game and oh wait they came back and won with his butt firmly on the bench. Wake up, Moran is 26 and still isnt what you think he is. Wooster did smack WC the last 2 years but were not comparing those two teams. JCU has one coming, Wooster is peaking while JCU is having a tough time. A REAL TOUGH time even being in the sweet sixteen. Wooster is just better, better coach, better guards, the big men might be a JCU advantage because of Mimes, but Port and Vandaarvart (spelling?) are very very good players...my final guess 95-79, not even that close. Oh yea you said Hannon has 1300 pts in the PAC....ITS STILL 1300 PTS in three years!!!!! Go Scots!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: superman57 on March 07, 2007, 10:03:35 pm
ok I promised it earlier here it is...I forget who did it last year but someone did for the Amherst Sectional and it was really helpful   this is a list of good places for food and for the most part I will try to include google map directions...

Ok first off your one stop places for just about everything that you need

Eastview Mall-the best of the malls in rochester...has the normal food court places

Johnny Rockets-$-relativly cheap chain resturant good burgers a nice atmosphere

Champs-$$$1/2-A more expensive sports bar-it is your place to be if you want to watch any of the games on friday or saturday...lots of tvs and decent food

PF Changs never been there before but have heard decent things about it.

Biaggi's Italion-haven't heard anything about it but here is the websiteBiaggis


and here is the eastview mall website

Pittsford plaza is a great place to go do a little shopping, there is a very nice grocery store, and if you've never been to a wegmans it is a whole new experiance and several of the buildings at fisher are named after the wegmans family... Applebee's is in this plaza along with someother resturants that I'm not familiar with...also a good cheap movie theater  Pittsford Plaza website....this is 5 minutes from the fisher campus....

I will post what I know about Fairport hots because that is where I get my plates...they range from around $6-8or9 depending on how hungry you are...they are good, not the best but definatly good and close to fisher...right next to Fairport hots is Baird Road Pub...last time I heard ex-fisher basketball player Raymie Aumen was doing a little bartending...who knows what he is up to now...this is easy to find you take a left out of the main fisher campus and go two-three miles if you get to the mobile station, a friendly's and a 7-11 you've gone to far it is on the corner of Fairport road and baird road at a light....


anyother questions please ask
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Walker Bobby on March 07, 2007, 10:43:13 pm
I was in Rochester in 2002 when the JCU football team played Brockport State ... and I have nothing but good things to say about the town. There's enough to do as far as a night life goes, and as long as the weather cooperates, its easy enough to get around. Of course, my memories of Rochester are good ones ;D

BTW, John201, you have made three posts on this board. All negative toward John Carroll. Not just negative, downright nasty. Not just nasty, downright ugly. What gives? Did Pete Moran steal your girl? Did Mike Moran cut you from the team? I watched both games, and I give some credit to a team that rallies from double figures down in the second half. Those rallies were not flukish.  That is the way the Streaks have played at times this year, a toughness born of playing in a league where every game is a struggle. Ask ONU, who beat Wooster, how tough the OAC is. Ask BW and Tori Davis, who is sure to be an All-American, how tough the OAC is.

John, I hate to say this, but you come across is a poor loser whose arguments are insipid.

I believe Wooster is probably a better team, and if this were the NBA, they would certainly be favored in a seven-game series. But in a one-shot deal, anything can happen.

Good luck to everyone this weekend. I look forward to some good games to listen to. Maybe I'll have a reason to venture up Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2007, 11:53:12 pm
Go Scots!!

This is kinda silly too. If JCU advances it makes Lake Erie look better. If JCU loses right away it makes Lake Erie look worse.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 08, 2007, 08:33:49 am
john-

I never said Moran put up unbelievable numbers, but who wouldn't take 10 points and 5 assists per night?  Robert Williams from LEC averages a slightly better numbers (.5 assists and 1.1 points higher) against significantly worse competition...is he a stiff too?  I don't think Coach Hunt (a class act) would share your sentiments about the JCU program.

Secondly, don't tell me about Wooster.  I've forgotten more about the Wooster program than you've ever known.  Tom Port happens to be one of my favorite players in Division III. 

I agree, Moore is one hell of a coach.  I don't need to tell you about his career statistics, but don't act like Moran is chopped liver.  Not to belittle Moore's record, but Moran would have a higher winning percentage than 59% (obviously not good enough for you) if he got to play Earlham, Hiram, Kenyon, and Wabash twice a year.  Obviously, those aren't guaranteed wins, and you still have to have your guys ready to play, but even the biggest NCAC fan will tell you that the competitive balance in the OAC is much stronger.  All Moran has done is lead his team to eight NCAA tournament appearances in 15 years (including three of the last four...all three of which they've advanced to at least the Sweet Sixteen)...again, this might not be good enough for you, but as an alumni, I'll take it.

Look, I'm sorry JCU took your ball away, but somebody has to lose.  At least you've gone out with class and dignity.  Oh, and for the record, I think Moran is 27...as if that has anything to do with anything.

Should be fun this weekend, wish I could make the trip.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 08, 2007, 06:56:19 pm
Toph and others,

I do apologize for coming off slightly bitter, I was very upset with the WC loss and I expressed my opinion on the matter about the OAC and JCU and that whole bit. I did not mean to be "downright nasty" in any way shape or form. I have NOTHING and I mean NOTHING personal against anyone from JCU or any kid on any team. I am a PAC fan which is why I feel we got shorted when everyone was saying that JCU escaped, the point I wanted to make was that WC was better than you guys thought. I never once said that Mike Moran is chopped liver as a coach, I just feel that Moore is a better coach overall no matter the competition. I understand what Moran has done with JCU, a lot of coaches would kill for that resume, but Moore to me is a better overall coach. As far as the Wooster program, I haven't followed them long and you are right Toph when you say you have forgotten more about the program that I have, but I do know a lot about the last few years and the Wooster teams and I feel this is the best team they have had in the last 4 years. I will stand by my pick that Wooster will win in a route, and like you Toph I wish I could be there. I think having the game at St John Fisher is a crime and Wooster should play with a chip on their shoulder, they should be hosting. I respect your opinions Toph and I certainly do not want anyone thinking I am trying to belittle anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Walker Bobby on March 08, 2007, 09:17:51 pm
Just taking a look at this argument ...

Moore better than Moran.

Moran vs. Moore = Moran 3-1 ... 2-1 on the Wooster home floor.

Arguably, Moore had the better team in three of those four meetings, and arguably Wooster again has the better team in 2007. Yet, the only Wooster win over JCU was back in 2003 and was courtesy of a Rodney Mitchell jumper with three seconds left ... after JCU took a two-point lead into the final minute of play. The other games were JCU wins that seem a little more decisive. Found this as my proof (although it seems like it needs updating ... time is still listed as TBA for the game Friday ... and Mimes is still a guard).

http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/Athletics/varsity/gamenotesmbk.pdf

So John201, while I understand and admire your passion and loyalty toward Westminster, I am not sure I follow your logic on the coaching front. Both have been the dominant forces in their respective leagues, and both have been to a Final Four -- both placing third. I'd see it as pretty even up.

If you are basing it on Moore's overall record, keep in mind, JCU plays BW, Ohio Northern, Otterbein, Capital and Muskingum at least twice a year ... Wooster plays Wittenberg and ... well, Wittenberg two, sometimes three times a year. I wonder how Moran's record would look if he got Oberlin, Denison, Earlham, Hiram (well, he used to get them twice) and Kenyon twice a year. According to the game notes, he's 16-5 against the NCAC. That about a 75% winning percentage.

Just food for thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 08, 2007, 11:09:03 pm
I have to say first of all that I think that Moran is a great coach and he has done wonderfully at JCU while he has been there. 
But...to say that Wooster doesn't get competition besides Wittenberg is a lie.  Coach Moore always schedules tough teams out of conference.  This year alone we played Georgetown, Walsh, Cedarville, Southern California Baptist, ONU, Calvin...all top ranked teams in their leagues. 
We've also played BW a couple of times in the past couple of years. 
Obviously Coach Moore knows that our conference is on the weaker side and that is why he schedules these tough teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Walker Bobby on March 09, 2007, 12:26:00 am
division3hoops

not what I said ... note that I said who you face twice. That will add losses quicker when you have quality up and down a conference schedule year in year out. Its not like JCU has cupcakes in its non-conf -- DI Loyola and Cleveland State were two of the Streaks' nine losses. Last year, JCU helped Hope open its new home. So I think that's a wash when it comes to out of league. I'm talking IN conference. Who knows ... from what I have heard from various alums, maybe one day soon JCU will get to find that out as members of the NCAC (new prez is definitely looking at all options)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 09, 2007, 08:13:32 am

If you are basing it on Moore's overall record

didn't sound like you were talking about conference  there...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 09, 2007, 08:30:40 am

If you are basing it on Moore's overall record

didn't sound like you were talking about conference  there...

He's making the same point I did yesterday.  When you play a weak bottom half twice a year, that's going to add a lot of wins faster than a tough out of conference schedule will add losses (because of how good Wooster is...they win more than they lose even with a tough schedule).  This isn't a knock a Moore.  You don't see a guy win as much as he does too often.  My point, and I think Walker Bobby's point, is that if Moran got Oberlin, Kenyon, Hiram (again), Denison, and Earlham twice a year he'd have more career W's. 

By the way, a team in blue and gold beat a team in black (and brown) and gold yesterday at the MAC tourney...a good omen perhaps? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 09, 2007, 04:19:17 pm
Well I will agree with you and say that I think the OAC has more competition, it's not to say that the NCAC can't offer competition.  Look at both OWU and Allegheny this year, who both beat Witt. 
I'm just tired of hearing that the only reason Wooster has a good record every year is because our conference is weak....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 09, 2007, 04:38:15 pm
I'm just tired of hearing that the only reason Wooster has a good record every year is because our conference is weak....

Nobody here said that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 09, 2007, 06:39:21 pm
35-32 Scots at half. Closer than I expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 09, 2007, 07:48:39 pm
Final:  Wooster 83  John Carroll 73

Great win for Wooster as they go to the ELITE EIGHT!   

Wooster was led by Tim Vandervaart with 16 points, Tom Port with 16 points, Brandon Johnson with 14 points, James Cooper with 13 points and Devin Fulk with 10 points.

John Carroll was led by Rudy Kirbus with 23 points, Brandon Mimes with 21 points (11 boards), Terry Walsh with 11 points and Pete Moran with 11 points.

Wooster is now 28-3    Next up is the St. John Fisher/Brockport winner.

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 09, 2007, 09:13:00 pm
I know nobody here said that, I was just making a point.

Onto other things, I just wanted to say that I was extremely impressed with JCU's team, their defense in particular.  They played really well.  Moran was all over everyone he was guarding the entire night. 
Wooster was luckily able to work their magic but to no ease.  Congrats to JCU on a great season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 09, 2007, 09:44:36 pm
I would like to add my congratulations as well to the John Carroll Blue Streaks and Coach Moran on a fine season.

Special note of congratulations to John Carroll Seniors Brandon Mimes, Terry Walsh and Pete Moran on their terrific collegiate careers!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 09, 2007, 09:50:00 pm
JCU played great, and they played with class.  It was a great game, and they represented their university very well.  Congratulations to the Streaks!  :)

And that JCU pep band is still awesome!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on March 10, 2007, 06:42:13 am
Toph-

Thanks for being a major JCU supporter on this board for all of us alum (Class of 96).  I have one question now that the season has ended:  Is it just me or are you worried for next year?  I havent run the numbers but I would say that 95%+ of their offense is graduating and nothing seems to be lurking in the JR, SO class for talent.  In prior years they had some production in at least two sets of classes i.e SR and JRs.  This year it was all SRs.  Even looking back on this season I think they would have been hurting if Walsh hadnt transferred into the school.

I look forward to your opinion and keep up the good work. 

Go Streaks
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 12, 2007, 08:36:15 am
Congrats to Wooster!  Keep it going.  I'd love to say JCU lost to the champs. 

Sorry it took me so long to get to my thoughts on the weekend.

First things first, I was at the MAC tourney so I was unable to listen to the games.  I had to settle for constant text message/phone call updates, but I always knew what was going on in the JCU/Woo game.  Like we all thought, Wooster was the better team and came out on top.  JCU kept it pretty close for most of the night, and lost to a better team, simple as that.  Congrats to the JCUers and coaches on another fine season.

fishermba-
I am worried about next season, but remember that JCU does have some young guns.  Kirbus is one hell of a player and he's only a freshman.  Johnny Curran will be back next year...but you're right, they have a lot of holes to fill.  I am particularly interested in Desmond Motley, who received rave reviews at Euclid from my good friend Dan Coughlin at Fox 8, but never dressed.  I would think that you'd be able to fit a 6-4 athletic foward into any rotation, but let's not forget that Moran has about 250 and change more career wins at John Carroll than I do.   ;)

One thing that we can always count on, Moran recruits extremely well (it doesn't hurt that he has former players scattered all over the area as head and assistant high school coaches).  As long as Mike Moran is leading the program, I'll approach each new season with optimism.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on March 12, 2007, 11:28:50 am
Toph-

Thanks for the insight.  Something else crossed my mind over the weekend.  Why doesnt Mimes have another year of eligibility left after sitting out last season?  Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 12, 2007, 12:08:20 pm
Toph-

Thanks for the insight.  Something else crossed my mind over the weekend.  Why doesnt Mimes have another year of eligibility left after sitting out last season?  Just curious.

This is information that I am not privy to.  I am an alum now ('06) and can't keep my ear as low to the ground as it used to be.  I would guess that it is possible that he has another year of eligability, but I can't speak with any certainty.  Also, there is the matter of whether he is willing and able to pay for another year at John Carroll if he does have another year left. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 12, 2007, 12:23:24 pm
I wouldn't see why he wouldn't have another year of eligibily left.  I think it would just be a matter of, as you said Toph, whether or not he would be willing or able to foot the bill for another year at JCU, or whether he even wanted to for that matter.

I will say this.  Having Mimes back next year would change the entire complexion of that team.  It would definately remove some of the questions for the Blue Streaks heading into next season.

Without Mimes, I'm not so sure that even as good as Kurbis showed he was capable of becoming in his last 3 contests, I don't even he can carry JCU to another playoff run.

As it stands right now, I'd have to say that Cap looks to be the team to beat in the OAC heading into next season and by a considerable margin at that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 12, 2007, 12:57:41 pm
I heard a rumor, and it is just a rumor from after the WC and JCU game...Did Mimes take last year off to try and walk on for the Cleveland St. hoops team? I heard that and if its true he can't come back and play because that year would count because it's at the D-1 level. If someone could clear that up thatd be great. Congrats to Wooster. Love to see them win it all.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 12, 2007, 01:30:00 pm
I heard a rumor, and it is just a rumor from after the WC and JCU game...Did Mimes take last year off to try and walk on for the Cleveland St. hoops team? I heard that and if its true he can't come back and play because that year would count because it's at the D-1 level. If someone could clear that up thatd be great.

That was a rumor that was flying around both the JCU campus and these message boards.  That is not true.  I can tell you with certainty that Brandon Mimes was enrolled at John Carroll all of last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on March 13, 2007, 06:03:26 am
Toph-

Another topic I would like your insight on.....Do you think Rudy Kirbus will have a better football or basketball career at JCU? He was a solid FB player at Iggy.

Take Care
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 13, 2007, 08:19:17 am
Well, with Mark Petruziello being "ohhnly a soph-o-more," as Keith Jackson might say I think it might be pretty tough for Rudy to get a lot of snaps in the next two years.  I don't know if you got a chance to see any JCU football games this year, but Petruziello looks like he has the makings of a pretty good QB.  He sees the field well, has nice touch on the ball, and can scramble extremely well.  He even kept the Mount game inside of 70!   ::)

Right now, basketball has a leg up for Kirbus.  As you and I have both speculated it looks like he's going to have to be a major part of the offense next year.  You just have to wonder how many of those open looks from the outside he had this year are going to be taken away without Mimes down low scaring the hell out of defenses.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on July 20, 2007, 09:21:12 pm
Here's an update from Ohio (or rather, an update of Ohio from North Dakota).  Schedules are not complete as regards tournament pairings unless otherwise noted:

OAC:
Baldwin-Wallace:  men (http://www.bw.edu/athletics/mbb/sched/); women  (http://www.bw.edu/athletics/wbb/sched/)
Capital:  men (http://www.capital.edu/internet/default.aspx?pid=13225); women (http://www.capital.edu/internet/default.aspx?pid=13230)
Heidelberg (not posted)
John Carroll (not posted)
Marietta:  men (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/mbasketball/schedule.html); women (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/wbasketball/schedule.html)
Mount Union:  men (http://www.muc.edu/athletics/men_s_teams/basketball/2007_08_schedule); women (http://www.muc.edu/athletics/women_s_teams/basketball/2007_08_women_s_basketball_schedule)
Muskingum (not posted)
Ohio Northern (not posted)
Otterbein (not posted)
Wilmington:  men (http://www2.wilmington.edu/mens-basketball/calendar.cfm?month=07&curr_year=2007); women (http://www2.wilmington.edu/womens-basketball/calendar.cfm?month=07&curr_year=2007)

NCAC:
Allegheny:  men  (http://www.allegheny.edu/athletics/menbb/results.php)(complete); women (http://www.allegheny.edu/athletics/womenbb/results.php)
Denison (not posted)
Earlham (not posted)
Hiram (not posted)
Kenyon:  men  (http://athletics.kenyon.edu/x23821.xml)(complete); women (http://athletics.kenyon.edu/x23822.xml)
Oberlin (not posted)
Ohio Wesleyan (not posted)
Wabash (not posted)
Wittenberg:  men  (http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/mbasketball/schedule07-08.html)(complete); women (http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/wbasketball/schedule07-08.html)
Wooster:  men (not posted); women  (http://athletics.wooster.edu/wb/schedule.php)(complete)

HCAC:
Anderson: (I couldn't get to their %#*@^ website) :-[
Bluffton:  men (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/mensbasketball/2008/schedule.html); women (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/womensbasketball/2008/schedule.html)
Defiance:  men (not posted); women (http://www.defiance.edu/athletics/womens_basketball_schedule_0708.html)
Franklin:  men (http://www.franklincollege.edu/athweb/ath_calendar.cfm?sid=2); women (http://www.franklincollege.edu/athweb/ath_calendar.cfm?sid=9)
Hanover:  men (http://sports.hanover.edu/hcmbbresults.htm); women (http://sports.hanover.edu/hcwbbresults.htm)
Manchester (not posted)
Mt. St. Joseph:  men (http://www.msj.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/sched0708/index.asp); women (http://www.msj.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/sched0708/index.asp)
Rose-Hulman:  men  (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/0708mbb.htm)(complete); women  (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/wbasket/0708wbb.htm)(complete)
Transylvania:  men  (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/m_basketball/07schedule.htm-folder-men-sub-m_basketball-topic-m_basketball)(complete); women  (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/w_basketball/07schedule.htm-folder-women-sub-w_basketball-topic-w_basketball)(complete)

Other Ohio schools:
Case Western Reserve:  men (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/winter/mbasketball/schedule.htm); women (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/winter/wbasketball/schedule.htm)
Lake Erie (not posted)

Yes, I know these are not all Ohio schools, but they are the three conferences with at least 3 Ohio schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on September 07, 2007, 05:59:59 pm
Its been pretty dead in here over the summer, but with hoops just around the corner i thought i could stir things up with a bold prediction. For the 2008 OAC Championship....Capital loses by a game to....the Heidelberg College Student Princes :o... but Cap takes the tourney.... Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 10:58:18 am
Basketball23

Although I have been absent from the D-3 posting board for few years or so, I too have heard that Captial and Da Berg are slatted as favorites.  Not since Matt Adams, Adam Smith and Foster were playing in Tiffin (early-mid 90's) were the Student Princesses picked to having a winning record let alone contend.  Based on last year, they were fairly even production wise with the likes of Shriver, Lemmon and Schmidt.  One of those guys is going to have to step up and carry the team. Prediction OAC champ will have 3-4 conference loses.  Should be much parity amongst the 2-6 teams. ONU and JCU are always dangerous and should again contend.  Other than Nate Stahl from Cap Brandon Todd of Muskingum and Stu Anglum of MTU the OAC appears to be down a little talent wise.  What do you guys think? Andy word on incoming Freshman?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on September 13, 2007, 01:42:52 pm
This may come off a bit rude although i dont meant it to be but, I agree with your prediction on number of losses thats usually the case. However,  having Stu Anglum's name in the same sentence as Brandon Todd and Nate Stahl in a conversation about talent is an absolute joke. He's a good player on a bad team. Walsh from JCU is near that level. Then theres about 10-15 guys a notch or 2 behind. I'm not even sure i'd put Stu there. The guards in the leauge this year are pretty tough which is a change from the last 4 years when post players dominated but that will happen when you lose Brandon Mimes, Tyler Ousley, and Tori Davis all of which were legit all-american canidates the last two years. Davis and Ousley both were last year i believe. As for newcomers look for Tyler Felt from Musky and Brown from BW (First Name escapes me). They both are D-2 Transfers and should be able to come in and play well right away. Felt transfered in last year but had some foot problems and didnt play much. Havent heard much about new Freshman however.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 05:23:51 pm
With reagrds to Stu, everyone has there opinion.  I am not partial either way.  I kind of feel the same about Brandon Todd.  I know that Geno is in the process of turning that program into an elite preformer and it sounds like some peviously scholarship transfers may be a geat way to accelerate that time line.  Muskingum's problem is location.  That is a hard one to over come.  JCU BW CAP Ott heck even Wilmington and Mount are better located for those student athlets concerned with a social aspect of college.  I know Ada isn't a merto mecca but ONU gets its players based on tradition of wimming and the fact that other than the Berg not many recruit the northwest part of the state.  That leaves Musk MAR and Heid with the scraps.  Just an opinion. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on September 13, 2007, 06:06:10 pm
I kind of feel the same about Brandon Todd.  I know that Geno is in the process of turning that program into an elite preformer [...]

Geno Ford has returned to Kent State, where he will be an assistant coach this season.  The head coach at Muskingum is now Gene Ford, Geno's father.

http://www.muskingum.edu/home/athletics/basketball_m/index.html
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 09:08:54 pm
David, thanks for the update and clarification about the Ford's.  I am not sure sure my thoughts about Geno's departure.  Disappointed because I felt confident he would draw some premium recruits and further stregthen the OAC.  Happy maybe because we would have a chance at some recruits if he wasn't around.  Congrats to him on the opportunity.  I wonder how long before the OU bobcats have him as a coach.

Preseason 1st Team All OAC Picks
Nate Stahl, Capital 
Brandon Todd, Muskingum 
Ross Banaszak, Otterbein 
Stu Anglum, Mount Union
Shawn Shriver, Heidelberg 
Brendan Schuler, Baldwin-Wallace 

Others to watch
Fred Harrison, Wilmington 
Ryan Wood, Capital
Steve Kyser, Capital 
Isaiah Creasap, Marietta
Andrew Lemmon, Heidelberg
Brian Schmidt, Heidelberg 
Kyle Gehle, Ohio Northern
Zach Broermann, Wilmington

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 09:31:35 pm
I have been thinking about the All Decade team and I think the OAC representative should be Jeff Gibbs.  I know some are going to say Davis from BW (either one) but it would be hard to get more than one from the OAC.  I saw a Woo fan nominated Nelson and I think he is a consideration but hard to top the following: Andy Panko, Devean George, Jeff Gibbs, Rick Melzer, Adam Dauksas, Kory Koon, Merrill Brunson.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2007, 11:23:26 pm
I have been thinking about the All Decade team and I think the OAC representative should be Jeff Gibbs.  I know some are going to say Davis from BW (either one) but it would be hard to get more than one from the OAC.  I saw a Woo fan nominated Nelson and I think he is a consideration but hard to top the following: Andy Panko, Devean George, Jeff Gibbs, Rick Melzer, Adam Dauksas, Kory Koon, Merrill Brunson.  Thoughts?

I'm delighted that you've named TWO IWU Titans (and, unlike most, you got Dauksas spelled right, but, like most, you muffed on Korey Coon!); I'd add a third Titan for consideration: Keelan Amelianovich was 2nd team AA as a soph, 1st team as both a junior and senior.

One other name that comes immediately to mind: has Ben Strong emerged too late for consideration?  Three others that merit consideration (and all three names are slipping from mind at the moment, but many will know who I'm speaking of): the William Patterson player who broke my heart (as a Titan fan) in 2001, then played for the Pistons, and the two 'scoring machines' from Lincoln.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 14, 2007, 05:16:07 am
I have been thinking about the All Decade team and I think the OAC representative should be Jeff Gibbs.  I know some are going to say Davis from BW (either one) but it would be hard to get more than one from the OAC.  I saw a Woo fan nominated Nelson and I think he is a consideration but hard to top the following: Andy Panko, Devean George, Jeff Gibbs, Rick Melzer, Adam Dauksas, Kory Koon, Merrill Brunson.  Thoughts?

I'm delighted that you've named TWO IWU Titans (and, unlike most, you got Dauksas spelled right, but, like most, you muffed on Korey Coon!); I'd add a third Titan for consideration: Keelan Amelianovich was 2nd team AA as a soph, 1st team as both a junior and senior.

One other name that comes immediately to mind: has Ben Strong emerged too late for consideration?  Three others that merit consideration (and all three names are slipping from mind at the moment, but many will know who I'm speaking of): the William Patterson player who broke my heart (as a Titan fan) in 2001, then played for the Pistons, and the two 'scoring machines' from Lincoln.

Horace Jenkins was the William Paterson player. Jarett Kearse and Kyle Myrick were the Lincoln players.

C'mon, Chuck ... just within Illinois and Wisconsin you're leaving out Derek Reich, Sherm Carstensen, Jason Wiertel, and Jason Kalsow. And that's just the big men.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2007, 10:59:38 am
I don't think I'm revealing anything unusual if I say that Jeff Gibbs is a lock.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2007, 07:21:54 pm
Greg, you had to remind me of Horace Jenkins' name - now the nightmares can start all over again!  (Actually, I became a huge fan of his once he ALMOST caught on with the Pistons - I'm surprised he hasn't caught on elsewhere, but the Pistons were just too loaded at guard.)

As for Lincoln, I was actually thinking of Myrick and Sami Wylie (who broke his single-game scoring record, though under tainted circumstances).  And yeah, I left out plenty of people - Kalsow got omitted because when I saw him list Melzer, my brain read Kalsow (guess it is only capable of one WIAC superstar at a time :().  I have no excuse at all for leaving off Reich, though I wasn't attempting a full list.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 15, 2007, 09:05:58 pm
When I started thinking of names for the all decade team, I wanted to make sure that I didn't overload players from one particular conference or team, becuase I new the attacks would begin.  With that being said I picked Melzer over Kaslow based only on personal choice.  I was struggling to come up with a player from either Calvin of Hope to also be represented.  Any thoughts?  I totally for got Jenkins and feel pretty strongly he should be on the team.  Will the All Decade team be 5 first teamers with a second and 3rd team>  Also will the team be picked on position or BEST palyers?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 15, 2007, 09:39:11 pm
I think I may have an answer for the calvin/hope representative, Joel Holstege.  However I cant remember his playing years and if or if not he would fall within the dcade time requirements.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on September 15, 2007, 10:27:08 pm
Holstege graduated in 1998.  Technically he qualifies.   He was a tremendous player at Hope, but I doubt he was one of the best all-decade players for all of D3.


Jeremy Veenstra from Calvin would be another choice, but again, not sure he was one of the all-decade best players in D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 16, 2007, 12:22:29 am
Holstege graduated in 1998.  Technically he qualifies.   He was a tremendous player at Hope, but I doubt he was one of the best all-decade players for all of D3.


Jeremy Veenstra from Calvin would be another choice, but again, not sure he was one of the all-decade best players in D3.

How about Aaron Winkle?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on September 16, 2007, 09:20:32 pm
Winkle graduated in 2000, so yeah he qualifies.

He's probably in the same category as Veenstra
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on November 02, 2007, 10:59:34 pm
Seemed like no better place to mention this:

Congratulations to Capital, Baldwin-Wallace, John Carroll and Ohio Northern, who all received rankings/votes in the 2007-2008 d3hoops preseason poll.

Capital, ranking at #10, could be both an OAC and a national power this season.  Then again, knowing this conference, they could go something like 7-9 in the league.    ;D

Baldwin-Wallace earned slot #20 from the voters.

Rounding out the league, John Carroll and Ohio Northern were both in the "others receiving votes" category (were this ranked, they would be 39th and 41st, respectively).


I don't have any analysis of this personally, as I am barely getting back into basketball mode. Most of you would've known me last season as "scotsbrod," btw. I decided to make a moniker switch in the off-season.

Well, here's to another fun year in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on November 07, 2007, 02:08:56 pm
OAC Pre-Season Poll came out today....

Men’s Coaches Poll
Rank School (first Place Votes) Pts.
1.  Capital [8] 80
2. Heidelberg (1) 61
3. John Carroll (1) 60
4. Ohio Northern 53
5. Baldwin-Wallace 52
6. Muskingum 44
7. Wilmington 36
8. Otterbein 34
9. Mount Union 21
10. Marietta 9
 
About what i expected just kind of surprised Heidelberg was so high and Wilmington was so low. Wilmington returns everyone from a talented/athletic team that no one wanted to play down the stretch last year. Also curious to see who didnt have Cap first. Obviously they cant vote for themselves but that still leaves a first place vote not accounted for. Should be another interesting year. Thoughts/Comments?


EDITED by D. Collinge to get rid of that annoying cool-dude smiley that pops up whenever anyone puts an 8 in parentheses)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 07, 2007, 07:17:02 pm
I think it's interesting that B-W is picked 5th when they are ranked 20th in the pre-season D3hoops.com poll.  Meanwhile Heidelberg checks in at #2 in the OAC Coaches Poll when they aren't even receiving a single vote in the D3hoops.com poll. 

Based on returning players, Capital should win hands down.  But going by past history and the unpredictability of the OAC, it wouldn't surprise me to see any one of 5-6 teams challenge for the title when it's all said and done.  Once again, it should make for some very entertaining basketball!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: oacplayer on November 11, 2007, 07:32:46 pm
OAC Pre-Season Poll came out today....

Men’s Coaches Poll
Rank School (first Place Votes) Pts.
1.  Capital [8] 80
2. Heidelberg (1) 61
3. John Carroll (1) 60
4. Ohio Northern 53
5. Baldwin-Wallace 52
6. Muskingum 44
7. Wilmington 36
8. Otterbein 34
9. Mount Union 21
10. Marietta 9
 
About what i expected just kind of surprised Heidelberg was so high and Wilmington was so low. Wilmington returns everyone from a talented/athletic team that no one wanted to play down the stretch last year. Also curious to see who didnt have Cap first. Obviously they cant vote for themselves but that still leaves a first place vote not accounted for. Should be another interesting year. Thoughts/Comments?

I wonder why wilmington is so low. This team is returning everyone and is looking to compete for a league title this year. Wilmington swept BW last year with there All- American Tori Davis. This league will be ran by the guards this year and Wilmington is loaded with guards and wings.


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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Presto on November 14, 2007, 12:00:11 pm
i'm surprissed bw was voted 5th.  i know they lost some great players over the last 2 yrs but this team is well coached and has a lot of depth.  they will be there in the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on November 19, 2007, 04:00:42 pm
Around the league:

Baldwin-Wallace (1-1): def. Fredonia St. 94-76 (@ Penn. St.-Behrend); lost @ Penn. St. Behrend 73-68.
Capital (1-1): def. Illinois College 76-53 (@ Mt. St. Joseph); lost @ Mt. St. Joseph 94-80.
Heidelberg (1-0): won @ Tiffin 109-77.
John Carroll (2-0): def. Randolph-Macon 68-66 (@ Albright); won at Albright 69-67.
Marietta (0-2): lost @ Gettysburg 89-82; lost to Wesley 101-87 (@ Gettysburg).
Mount Union (1-0): def. Hiram 95-84.
Muskingum (1-1): def. U. Northwest Ohio 71-52 (@ Shawnee St.); lost @ Shawnee St. 82-67
Ohio Northern (1-1): lost to Wash. U. 74-58 (@ Calvin); def. Grace Bible 72-67 (@ Calvin)
Otterbein (0-2): lost to St. Thomas 73-67 (@ Wooster); lost to Farmingdale St. 98-94 (@ Wooster).
Wilmington (2-0): def. Defiance 59-57 (@ Thomas More); def. Anderson 83-72 (@ Thomas More).





Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 21, 2007, 01:10:27 pm
Cap gave the OAC a 2 game lead in the battle for bragging rights between the OAC and the NCAC with a closer than expected 79-75 win over Witt in Springfield last night.

Witt will get another shot at the OAC in their next game one week from today when they host ONU.

The NCAC/OAC Challenge is also taking place this weekend at Capital and at Kenyon.  On Saturday, Denison will be playing @ Cap while the other matchup in Columbus will feature Kenyon vs. Musky.  Then on Sunday, Cap will take on Kenyon in Gambier while the other game is Denison vs. Musky.  I fear that the NCAC might only come out with one win over the weekend in the Challenge if that? :-\

There is one other game that pits our conferences against each other this weekend and that takes place at Rochester where B-W will be taking on OWU on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on November 25, 2007, 10:19:34 pm
I think it's interesting that B-W is picked 5th when they are ranked 20th in the pre-season D3hoops.com poll.

B-W won't stay there long, as they follow up a thumping by OWU with a loss to Cortland State 87-84 to go 0-2 on the weekend at the Rochester tournament, and fall to 1-3 for the season.

Looks like the conference voters may have had a more accurate picture of B-W than the national poll, based on early results....then again, maybe it's just that OWU is being under-estimated, and I don't know much about Cortland State, so I can't really tell you how that loss fits in the picture.

Regardless, it's pretty clear you can't stay in the poll starting your season 1-3.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 26, 2007, 02:56:52 pm
How about JCU only losing to CSU by 10?  I think they led in the second half as well.  Not a bad showing!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on November 26, 2007, 05:28:45 pm
John Carroll comes to play....anytime,anywhere....indeed a nice showing....As to the OAC....I wouldn't put money on anyone at this point. Cap should be tough, but there are alot of unknowns due to graduation...I think the Muskies are a team that might sneak up on a few teams this year...Junior Tyler Felt is off to a good start and they have some young talent in  Sophmore guards Byrne and Bourquin. Brandon Todd back for his Senior year... The kid can play and I think they will prove to be a force to be reckoned with this year...As always,I would venture to say we are going to be treated to the usual host of " single digit wins" in Conference play throughout the season. I actually think the league is a slight bit weaker this year with the graduation of some "marquee" players, but that won't necessarily make for any less exciting roundball, in my opinion. My prediction...worth absolutely nothing...at least six teams with a shot at the regular season title as late as two weeks left in the season...I really don't see any team surviving without multiple losses....Just another year in the OAC...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on December 02, 2007, 11:56:15 pm
After round 1, was anyone surprised at the outcomes?  My observations--3 teams that were supposed to win, did. How about the Berg losing by 10 to the Quakers--Are they for real?  Undefeated so far and I hear that their gym was packed for the OAC opener. Coach Hunt has them playing well. OAC #2 pick falls to #7(?) in first game. I was a little shocked by the margin of victory by ONU over Etta--over 50 points-those things don't usually happen in league play. Is ONU that good or Etta that bad--or a combo of both. Good win by Cap over a very good OWU team on their home deck.  Any thoughts on Wed. night games.  All teams will be in action.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 03, 2007, 12:02:05 am
I was shocked to hear that Heidelberg lost to Wilma.  I guess the only time it's safe to say you know what's going on in the OAC is the day after the last game in in the books.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 03, 2007, 12:22:24 am
I'll be able to catch Wilmington/Capital on Wednesday, I think.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on December 03, 2007, 08:59:41 am
"Cap should be tough but there are a lot of unknowns due to graduation...."

I will have to argue this point as Capital returned 9 players from last year................................... .....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 03, 2007, 05:59:17 pm
ONU's margin of victory over Marietta was a surprise to me also. In answer to your question, bouncer1, no ONU is not that good....yet...and yes, Marietta looked lost...poor defense, not getting back in transition,weak on the boards at both ends,poor shot selection....and on and on... Northern on the other hand appears to still be searching for the right combination of five....they have several players at each position, but I don't think Coach Coleman has quite figured out which five have come to play each day....Not alot of consistency yet...ONU plays at the Berg Wednesday...Things should be a little clearer after that....I still think the Muskies are going to be the Dark Horse this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on December 04, 2007, 12:33:14 am
Here are the match-ups for Wed. night.
JCU @ Musky
Wilm @ Cap
Mount @ BW
ONU @ Berg
Ott @ Etta
My picks are JCU over Musky-we'll find out if onefan is right-dark horse or lame horse.   Cap over Wilm in a game of which style prevails. BW over Mount-mainly because it is at BW. Berg over ONU-the Berg demonstrates that they are a real contender and overcomes opening loss at Wilm.  Ott over Etta-will Pios win a league game this year??  Any thoughts or other predictions??  Any early thoughts on POY?  Early favorite has to be Nate Stahl from Cap--best player on probably best team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 04, 2007, 09:56:34 am
Here are the match-ups for Wed. night.
JCU @ Musky

I'm planning on attending this one, but primarily to see JCU.  I've seen Musky a couple of times already and I'm not very impressed.  Brandon Todd is very talented, and two or three times a game he'll do something that leaves you gasping.  But just as often he'll do something that negates his good play, usually because he's trying to do too much (e.g. driving the lane into three stationary big guys) or expecting too much of his teammates (e.g. the no-look over-the-shoulder pass to the teammate who least expects it).  When he stays within himself, making good decisions to drive, shoot, or pass, the team can have good stretches, and they can beat anyone if everything goes right, but I don't see them as serious contenders for first place.

Any early thoughts on POY?  Early favorite has to be Nate Stahl from Cap--best player on probably best team.

That reminds me; down at the Cap Center, there are five pennants on the west wall, two of them displaying the names "Gunn" and "Kyser" (a third is "Stolly," I forget the other two, except that they were names that I did not recognize.)  Does anyone know what these signify?  Is this some sort of Cap version of a retired number?  If so, Gunn and Kyser? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 04, 2007, 11:22:16 am
Here are the match-ups for Wed. night.
JCU @ Musky

I'm planning on attending this one, but primarily to see JCU.  I've seen Musky a couple of times already and I'm not very impressed.  Brandon Todd is very talented, and two or three times a game he'll do something that leaves you gasping.  But just as often he'll do something that negates his good play, usually because he's trying to do too much (e.g. driving the lane into three stationary big guys) or expecting too much of his teammates (e.g. the no-look over-the-shoulder pass to the teammate who least expects it).  When he stays within himself, making good decisions to drive, shoot, or pass, the team can have good stretches, and they can beat anyone if everything goes right, but I don't see them as serious contenders for first place.

Any early thoughts on POY?  Early favorite has to be Nate Stahl from Cap--best player on probably best team.

That reminds me; down at the Cap Center, there are five pennants on the west wall, two of them displaying the names "Gunn" and "Kyser" (a third is "Stolly," I forget the other two, except that they were names that I did not recognize.)  Does anyone know what these signify?  Is this some sort of Cap version of a retired number?  If so, Gunn and Kyser? 

I would guess this was some sort of version of a retired number, or perhaps just a tribute to last year's seniors.  Ben Gunn and Steve Kyser were post players (Kyser had a pretty good stroke from the outside, though), and Pat Stolly was a guard who hit a game winning three over JCU a couple years back in a fantastic game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 04, 2007, 12:22:49 pm
I would guess this was some sort of version of a retired number, or perhaps just a tribute to last year's seniors.  Ben Gunn and Steve Kyser were post players (Kyser had a pretty good stroke from the outside, though), and Pat Stolly was a guard who hit a game winning three over JCU a couple years back in a fantastic game.

Oh....yeah.  Except it's this year's seniors.  Hollingsworth is a fourth banner, and he's a senior along with Pat Stolly, Kyser, and Gunn.  The fifth banner, Withers, is for the lone senior on the women's squad.  Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 04, 2007, 01:37:00 pm
I would guess this was some sort of version of a retired number, or perhaps just a tribute to last year's seniors.  Ben Gunn and Steve Kyser were post players (Kyser had a pretty good stroke from the outside, though), and Pat Stolly was a guard who hit a game winning three over JCU a couple years back in a fantastic game.

Oh....yeah.  Except it's this year's seniors.  Hollingsworth is a fourth banner, and he's a senior along with Pat Stolly, Kyser, and Gunn.  The fifth banner, Withers, is for the lone senior on the women's squad.  Thanks for the help!

I can't believe Kyser and Gunn are seniors this year, I thought they were only a year behind me.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 05, 2007, 05:24:54 pm
The men's and women's games between JCU and Muskingum scheduled for tonight (men in New Concord, women in University Heights) have been postponed due to the continuing inclement weather in New Concord.  Muskingum actually canceled classes today.  The men's game has been rescheduled for Wed. Jan. 23; the women's game for Mon. Jan. 7.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 05, 2007, 09:57:37 pm
Capital downs previously unbeaten Wilmington, 89-68 at the Capital Center. Box. (http://www.capital.edu/16648/)

Either because I can't read, or because the Capital website had the wrong time up, I didn't arrive at this game in time to see Capital jump out to a 23-8 lead early.  I don't think Wilmington ever closed it back to within ten.

Wilmington simply couldn't stop Capital's offense all night. The Quakers kept up full-court pressure for most of the game, but it often rarely if ever led to turnovers (give Cap credit), and did leave Wilmington out of defensive position in the half-court.  When Capital broke the press, it usually led to a quick bucket or at least a high percentage shot. I was surprised to see Wilmington stay in the press (perhaps they always use it), since to me it was obvious that it wasn't producing turnovers and was keeping Wilmington from putting together a good half-court defense that they needed if they were going to come back from down 14 at half.

Wilmington's other major defensive downfall that simply crippled them tonight was rebounding. Capital held a +17 rebound margin (46-29), and had 15 offensive rebounds in the game (Wilmington only had 19 defensive rebounds). Giving up all those offensive rebounds and all the points off of them destroyed what chances Wilmington had of getting back into the game in the second half. 

For Capital, they already had the comfortable lead when I got there, so I got to see them hold onto it, and since Wilmington never mounted a serious challenge, Cap seemed pretty well in control throughout.  They shot 54% for the game while holding Wilmington to only 38%, though I wasn't necessarily impressed by its defensive effort so much as I felt Wilmington failed to select good shots.

Offensively, Capital has a number of weapons, and Steve Kyser collected a good chunk of his game-leading 19 off of 5 offensive rebounds.  Ryan Wood put together his second straight quality performance, adding 17 tonight to his career high 25 against OWU last Saturday. He might be Capital's most complete player, as I think that sharp-shooter Nate Stahl (12 pts) can be an occasional defensive liability.

Wilmington was led by Fred Harrison and R.J. Brown, each with 14, and then three players with 9. It was an off-night for Quaker Zach Broermann, who didn't score and was 0-10 from the field after averaging 12 pts. for the Quakers coming into the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 05, 2007, 10:08:11 pm
Winners in bold.
JCU @ Musky PPD
Wilm @ Cap 89-68
Mount @ BW 65-63
ONU @ Berg 72-70
Ott @ Etta 71-61
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on December 05, 2007, 10:44:08 pm
Heidelberg overcomes a 17 point deficit mid-way through the first half and an 0-15 shooting night from 3 to defeat Ohio Northern 72-70. Heidelberg got its first lead around the 11min mark in the second half. They were also down 3 with about a minute and a half to play. Shriver was fouled on a drive by Gehle with 30 some secs left with the Berg up 1. He split the pair making it 70-68 Berg. ONU ran some offense and Kurtis Brown hit a tough lay-up in the lane tying the score with 8 secs left. Without taking a time out Shriver sprinted the ball up the floor got the ball to Szalay and he hit a jumper in the lane with 1.7 seconds left to give the Berg the lead. Afterwards, Gehle got an unbelivably good look at a 3 that hit the backboard and rimmed out at the buzzer. Huge win for the Berg as it was the first time since 1999 that they had defeated Northern. I love the OAC ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 05, 2007, 11:30:44 pm
Heidelberg wins a nailbiter tonight....Congrats to them...They showed a great deal to me tonight with their tenacious defense in the second   half...ONU actually looked stunned after taking an eleven point lead into the locker room and being just flat out ''out hustled "in the first seven minutes of the second half.....39-28 at the half.....45-44 early in the second half in favor of the Bears, but the 'Berg just kept the pressure on defensively while their offense was sputtering...Northern will be competitive this season, but their offense is inconsistent with questionable choices being made in their shot selection and at times they appear to be waiting for someone else on the floor to take charge and that guy has not yet stepped up.Defensively they've got the heighth and strength inside in Hammersmith and Cannon to be a force, but they seem to have difficulty getting in sync...I still see Northern finishing ahead of Heidelberg in the OAC, they've got some freshman and sophmores that are going to get alot of playing time and I think the second half of the season will demonstrate an improved squad with a deep bench to keep them strong through the final buzzer...Hey, without hope, you've got nothin...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 08, 2007, 05:55:33 pm
ONU tops BW 101-93 this afternoon. Northern had a slim one point edge at the half, 44-43, but extended its lead to as much as ten in the second half with BW staying close with some good outside shooting and steady board work. The Bears offense was in high gear the second half with good ball movement and good shot selection. B-W's BrandonSchuler had his usual solid game at both ends of the floor....Don't know how many points he had but he provides the clear spark for that team. Too many whistles in the game with both teams losing a man to fouls...Many phantom calls with Coaches Bankson and Coleman holding their hands in the air in frustration...but as usual, they were called both ways. Kyle Gehle lead the way for ONU. He scores inside,outside and plays good D...I also marvel at how many times during a game he scores when he looks to be totally out of control....But, he doesn't so often and with such consistency that it is not luck, it is his style of play. Northern has Otterbein at home this coming Wednesday...Looks like the Bears might be coming around....We shall see
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 15, 2007, 07:55:52 pm
Due to the total lack of postings on this site, I have had the opportunity to review older posts and found one from December 3rd by Pennstgh regarding my post commenting on Capital  being the favorite but time would tell due to graduation.....I wasn't referring to Capital losing their talent through graduation...I was referring to teams like ONU who lost starters like Badenhop,Hunter and Hostetler and have relatively untested Sophmores and Juniors that we haven't seen much of yet...ONU for example has been running several sophmores in on a regular basis that saw no playing time  last year but are now beginning to prove they belong on the floor...ONU topped John Carroll today, thanks in no small  part to their younger  talent.  That is what I was trying to say, although it was poorly worded. Perhaps I should have said, Capitals veteran team should be tough, but there are alot of unknowns due to several teams in the OAC debuting younger, untested  starters. While I am on the subject, I think the Polar Bears are going to be a major force this year in the OAC. It looked to be somewhat of a rebuilding year, but the team is beginning to jell. GO BEARS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 17, 2007, 10:28:39 pm
Onefan, I agree that this is often a quiet board.  Only a couple regulars and my true rooting interest is Wooster, thus my "home board" is the NCAC room.

I happen to live in Columbus, though, which gives me access to Capital and Otterbein games, so I have been able to take in some OAC games the last two seasons.  Not a lot of activity near me right now, though: Capital is off until New Year's Eve, and while usually Otterbein @ Wittenberg would be a game to see, I'm not so sure it's worth the hour drive to Springfield this year. Then I'm out of town for the Mt. Union game, and I will also have to make a decision about whether I see Otterbein's tournament or go to see Wooster's. (I like the match-ups at Otterbein better: OWU/Hanover should be a good game, and I am interested in seeing Albion play, too, as I hardly ever get to see MIAA teams.)

ONU topped John Carroll today, thanks in no small  part to their younger  talent. 

Could you comment on how 7 JCU players fouling out might have had an impact?   ???


While I am on the subject, I think the Polar Bears are going to be a major force this year in the OAC. It looked to be somewhat of a rebuilding year, but the team is beginning to jell. GO BEARS!!

I agree with you here, though I'm not yet sure about them being a "major" force. ONU does currently have the most wins (4) of anyone in the OAC, and its only loss is on the road to a good conference foe. The schedule doesn't look easy, though, as ONU will be bombarded with stern tests at Trinity (TX) and conference foe Wilmington before hosting Capital when Capital could easily be 11-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 18, 2007, 10:04:34 am
I haven't had the chance to see JCU yet this season, but the early part of their schedule has been brutal.  Obviously, nobody wants to be sitting at 3-4, but considering the schedule, I'm not in panic mode yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 20, 2007, 11:11:58 pm
Gee, do you think seven guys fouling out  for John Carroll had any impact on the game? Of course it did. The boys in black and white got whistle happy and decided to have the game decided at the foul line. Not fun to watch and less fun for those involved. I hate watching a game like this and wonder if the refs at this level ever do any self-evaluating  or reflect on whether or not perhaps they collectively let one get out of hand.

As to  my comment about the Bears being a majot force in the OAC this year.....we will see....Without hope,we have nothing.....Best wishes for the Holiday Season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 21, 2007, 09:22:40 am
Gee, do you think seven guys fouling out  for John Carroll had any impact on the game? Of course it did.
To say the least.  When I was first glancing over the last few posts and saw that 7 players fouled out of the game, I thought that was a total for both teams.  Then when I went and read the JCU recap, I came to realize it was 9 total and 7 JCU players!  I also came to find out that the losses JCU suffered were pretty significant comparatively speaking as the seven JCU players that fouled out scored a total of 64 of the Blue Streaks' 97 points. On the other hand, the two Polar Bears who fouled out  only scored 10 of ONU's 102 points. :o  I've heard of discrepancies in fouls, but this takes the cake.

And I thought the refs in the NCAC were terrible?! ::) ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DII/DIIIFan on December 27, 2007, 11:02:48 am
Anyone attending a game at JCU could easily understand how 7 players could foul out in one game - frankly, I am surprised 7 don't foul out almost every game!

JCU reminds me of the old Pat Reilly squads that fouled so much the officials began to look the other way lest a foul be called on every possession. Looks like the officials decided not to look the other way for one game.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 29, 2007, 06:06:24 pm
ONU wins today 62-44 over Southwestern University in San Antonio. The Bears shot 41% overall and 42% from three point land. They were 5 of 6 from the line. Southwestern shot 34.6% overall and was a miserable 16.7% from beyond the arc. Kyle Gehle lead the Bears with 18, knocking down four deuces, three 3's and one from the charity stripe.

Wabash is also here in San Antonio and was down to a talented  Trinity team when I left. I don't think Wabash has the horses to stay with Trinity.

ONU plays Trinity tomorrow. Looking forward to a good game. These Texas guys look pretty good.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 31, 2007, 03:01:15 pm
Capital trails Carnegie Mellon 38-32 at half.

Capital quickly trims CM's advantage and now leads 44-42 at the 15:50 mark.
And extends it to 48-42. CM has more turnovers (5) than points (4) in the first 6 minutes of the second half.

Carnegie Mellon has righted the ship and avoided Capital running away with it...after Cap held a 5-9 point lead for several minutes, CM has run off 9 straight to tie it at 52 with 7 minutes left.

And the Mellon run continues: 58-52 Carnegie Mellon, 5:13 to go.  That's a 15-0 run.

Capital stops the bleeding and they trade a few buckets: but CM by 6 with under 3 to go.

64-57 Tartans, 1:45 left. Cap will need points in a hurry.

71-65 Carnegie Mellon, FINAL.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 05, 2008, 10:53:43 pm
Hello OAC...I am the DeSales University Sports Information Director.  Just thought I'd post up this evening with some thoughts on the game today between DeSales and John Carroll.

First I will give you a brief background of us...we have been a program on the brink of the NCAA Tournament over the past five years but never making it.  We have won 20+ games in four of the five seasons and been to three Conference title games in that span, unfortunately losing all three of them.  I was looking forward to the match-up today cause we have a strong team this year and I wanted to see how we played against a strong team from a respected region.  I thought we had that in the match-up today with John Carroll.

In a very hard fought game we came out on top 97-80.  Game release from my view can be viewed here - http://athletics.desales.edu/News/mbball/2008/1/5/DSUJCU.asp?path=mbball  (http://athletics.desales.edu/News/mbball/2008/1/5/DSUJCU.asp?path=mbball) - We played very well, shooting a high percentage from two and three-land.  JCU tied the game at 61 but we responded with two runs over the last 12+ minutes of the game that put it away.

My thoughts from the game were that John Carroll is a very physical team.  We are used to that from a few conference opponents (King's and Wilkes) and I think having conference teams play a physical style helped us in today's game.  It was a great win for our program (even though it will count very little come NCAA Tournament bid time).

I think JCU has a nice team.  Terry Walsh is a very nice player.  They are very deep and I am guessing are a top team in the OAC.  I know they have played a brutally tough schedule up to this point.

Good Luck to the Blue Streaks the rest of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 09, 2008, 10:29:13 pm
Capital (10-2, 5-0) 83, Mount Union (3-10, 0-6) 67

Capital should have won this game by more.  This was a game for the taking from the start because Mount Union simply doesn't have enough weapons or play enough defense, but almost inexplicably this game was tied 40-40 (I think) at around the 15 minute mark in the second half, before Capital finally realized they had about five times the talent and went on a pretty good run and outscored Mount Union 43-27 for the remainder of the game.

Both teams' best accomplishment during an otherwise ugly first half was the containment of an opponent's scoring threat: Cap's Nate Stahl (13ppg) had 2 at half, and MU's Chris Spitzer (16ppg) had none.  Probably should've given them the ball more, as the teams collectively bricked 35 attempts out of the half's 58. Cap's Steve Kyser stood out as the bright spot, with 13 of his game-high 18 coming in the half.

Speaking of a brickfest: Capital managed to meet their very pedestrian 67% season FT shooting percentage on 20-30 shooting, only to be well outdone by MU's remarkably poor 39% effort, including only 5-15 in the second half.  While that's obviously bad for MU, it'll be much worse for Capital when they can't sink FTs to try to win big games in the OAC. Cap doesn't even have a clear go-to guy for FTs: no one on their entire roster came into the game shooting above 75% from the charity stripe. Ugh.

Box Score (http://www.capital.edu/16878/), and game story. (http://www.capital.edu/16876/)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 09, 2008, 10:50:55 pm
Heidelberg "overcomes" a 25% night from behind the arc to crush John Carroll 104-72.

This one was over by half-time, as in the first half Heidelberg held JCU to under 40% from the field, 1-6 from the arc and the Streaks provided an assist by going 2-7 on FTs, while 'Berg shot 55% and scored 51 points.  51-27 at the break, never came back under double digits in the second half.

Andrew Lemmon gives 'berg a nice double-double, with 20 and 12.

The 'Berg is 10-2, 4-1 in the OAC. JCU falls to 5-6, 2-3 OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 09, 2008, 10:58:39 pm
ONU picks up a win, 66-62, at Wilmington.  This sets up a pretty nice matchup between 5-1 ONU and 5-0 Capital (OAC records) this Saturday in Ada.

Based on what I saw from Capital tonight, I would not be surprised at all to see ONU win that game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 11, 2008, 10:18:33 pm
Looking forward to the match-up tomorrow between Cap and ONU. The Bears have been steadily improving with Jake Cannon hitting his stride on the inside and the perimeter play of Kyle Gehle. Lack of consistency and focus for an entire game have hurt ONU in their losses. Trinity easily handled the Bears, but in their defense several players had a bug and were sub par for the game...I think they would still have lost, but the score would have been a slight more respectable with a healthy starting five. Good luck to the Bears on Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 11, 2008, 10:28:18 pm
Onefan,

Will you be taking that one in first-hand?  I'd like to hear your impressions of the game and of Capital if you do (I don't want to be the only source anywhere that has seen this team play).

I will be taking in Heidelberg v. Otterbein tomorrow in Westerville.  I doubt it will be much of a contest, but you never know in the OAC.  I am very interested in seeing the Student Princes though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2008, 10:39:20 pm
I'd like to hear your impressions of the game and of Capital if you do (I don't want to be the only source anywhere that has seen this team play).

I've seen Capital twice, FWIW. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 11, 2008, 11:10:39 pm
I'd like to hear your impressions of the game and of Capital if you do (I don't want to be the only source anywhere that has seen this team play).

I've seen Capital twice, FWIW. 

Quite a bit, definitely.  I thought you had, since you've commented that you feel Capital is overrated (I agree).  Have you seen Heidelberg?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 11, 2008, 11:28:31 pm
KB,

Yes, I plan on attending the ONU/CAP game tomorrow. I will check in and let you know what I think. I have seen Heidelberg play, when they hung a two point loss on the BEARS. Nice looking team, but from what I read and hear, CAP
is still the team to watch.By the way,thanks for your activity on this site...it gets lonesome with such few visitors.

On an entirely unrelated topic, as I reviewed the 2007-08 stats I was reminded of an issue I raised last year regarding what I felt were grossly inflated home attendance figures. They had been reporting abour forteen to fifteen hundred per game for the last several years....Absolutely ridiculous...This year it has dropped by about a thousand per game to four hundred+. My thanks to whomever listened...It really wasn't a big deal in the big picture, but it bugged the hell out of me that it was a stat that was being reported and it wasn't even close to reality.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2008, 11:40:41 pm
I'd like to hear your impressions of the game and of Capital if you do (I don't want to be the only source anywhere that has seen this team play).

I've seen Capital twice, FWIW. 

Quite a bit, definitely.  I thought you had, since you've commented that you feel Capital is overrated (I agree).  Have you seen Heidelberg?

No.  My OAC men's tally thus far would be Capital (twice), Otterbein (4x), and Muskingum (twice.)   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 12:24:31 am
At this point my tally is only Capital x2, Wilmington and Mount Union.  I'll add Otterbein and Heidelberg tomorrow.

By the way,thanks for your activity on this site...it gets lonesome with such few visitors.

Thanks for your participation, too, onefan.  For the quality of basketball that is often played in this conference, we have decidedly poor participation on this board.  I wish we had more "native" posters like yourself and Toph, as several of the semi-active posters in here (myself included) have rooting interests elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 12:34:44 am
Thinking a bit more about this, onefan, and I think that both of us could consider posting recap information on the games we'll see tomorrow over on the  Great Lakes Region (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5126.120) board in addition to here in the OAC.  In case you don't visit there, a few posters (led by Sac) have started a regional top ten poll, and those voters would probably enjoy hearing about the ONU/Capital contest.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 11:21:26 am
I've been visiting and posting on this site for several years and, call me unconcious, but I have just taken note of the "karma" designation on everyone's profile....What is that all about ?...I am very sensitive and if I find out that negative symbol in front of my 1 is some type of rating system I will need to call my therapist.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2008, 11:41:59 am
I got rid of your negative karma - much cheaper than therapy! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 01:27:14 pm
Mr. Ypsi...THANK YOU!!!! I still don't know what it is, how it got there or why you could get rid of it, but it potentially has saved me thousands of dollars so I'll live with the mystery.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 12, 2008, 04:18:01 pm
What is karma? (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=Message%20board)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 04:23:34 pm
Just when you thought Capital was going to run away with it, ONU lays out a 14-0 run to come from 10 down to up four midway through the second half.
Live Stats. (http://www.onusports.com/livestats/mbb/xlive.htm)

ONU was down 10 at half, as well, but has outscored Capital 29-17 in the second.

55-53 ONU leads, 5:53 on the clock.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 12, 2008, 04:33:33 pm
If Cap pulls this out, I promise to get off their backs.  I was sure ONU would win this game, but, well, you know my record in pick'ems!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 04:45:10 pm
Capital does survive, 69-67 over ONU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 08:07:49 pm
David, I know what Karma is, I just don't know the numbers assigned to it have to do with this website.

As to the Bears and Crusaders.....I was there. Northern shot the ball poorly in the first half as did Cap, but the Bears were absolutley horrendous from the charity stripe. I believe they finished nine for nineteen. They also got outrebounded 45 tp 34. Stange as it may seem, Cap was decent from the foul line with Fanning hitting something like six straight in the last five minutes and 72 percent or so for the game. Northern threw up bricks from the foul line...As bad as I've seen this year....Very frustrating to watch....If Cap is the 16th best team in the country, division III is having a down year. KB, sorry this post is late...went out to dinner after the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 12, 2008, 08:28:55 pm
David, I know what Karma is, I just don't know the numbers assigned to it have to do with this website.

 ???

If you click the link in my post, it should take you to the FAQ which explains karma vis a vis this website.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 09:28:04 pm
David, Thanks for the info regarding clicking on your link, but I clicked on everything that would allow me to click on and I got nothing. Would it be too much of an imposition to just tell me what the significance of it is?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 12, 2008, 09:31:51 pm
Quote from: Site FAQ
What is karma?

Karma is similar to the post rating on the old message boards, except it rates an individual poster and follows the poster wherever they post.

Only more veteran posters are allowed to affect a poster's karma, and this is done via links titled "applaud" or "smite" under a poster's name. The restriction is in order to limit the ability of so-called one-star bandits to affect a poster's karma without being registered for the board or a true member of the community.

You cannot applaud or smite yourself, and you can only applaud or smite each individual poster every few hours. Also, if you continually praise or smite an individual poster, eventually you'll run out of karma to give that individual.

Applauding a poster raises their karma by one; smiting lowers it by one.

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=41
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 09:36:34 pm
KB, sorry this post is late...went out to dinner after the game.

Not a problem at all, onefan.  I was at the Heidelberg-Otterbein game, anyway (summary to follow in another post).

Capital is a good team, and will probably finish first or second in the OAC. But they don't really look that much better this season than last season's team that finished the regular season strongly and then lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 09:43:07 pm
David, Thanks for the guidance. I sometimes find it challenging just to get to this site, let alone navigating around it. Thanks for your patience!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 09:52:26 pm
KB, I couldn't agree more, it would appear to me that whomever?....whoever?....(My Mother told me I should pay closer attention in English class) wins the conference tournament  won't be going far in the NCAA tournament, but there is still time for improvement. I hate to sell the OAC short, but it appears to be a slight bit on the.. weak side this year . No one is very impressive thus far.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 10:13:06 pm
Final from Westerville:

Heidelberg 82
Otterbein  72

That score lies.  This game wasn't that close, but Otterbein picked up several baskets in garbage time at the end to make it look respectable, when in fact this one was over approximately 10 minutes into the game, when Heidelberg had pushed it to 21-7.

For awhile in the first half, I wasn't sure that Otterbein was going to crack 20.  Heidelberg's defense was stifling, forcing turnovers and awkward shots. Otterbein had maybe––maybe!––one good clean look in the first 10 mintues, a three pointer that was good.  The other two field goals to get them to 7 points came on two uncontested offensive putbacks, which seemed to be the only way Otterbein could crack the Princes' armor.

Frankly, I knew the outcome of this game after about 3 minutes.  By that time it was 6-0 and Heidelberg already had 2 or 3 steals.  The 'Berg got after every loose ball, looked more composed on the court, and after applying the intense pressure in the first few minutes, settled for playing very good defense and cruising with its 15 or so point lead intact for the remainder of the game.

When it was 21-7 early, you knew Otterbein wasn't coming back.  They couldn't play enough defense to contain the 'Berg's offense, especially the dominating duo of Andrew Lemmon and Brian Schmidt.  What did they do, you ask? Lemmon easily posted his third straight double-double, with 17 points (8-12 shooting) and an incredible 19 rebounds, while his teammate dropped 24 points (12-17 shooting) and chipped in 7 boards.  Schmidt in particular has an excellent touch around the hoop, with a deadly little jump hook.

Otterbein finally started to shoot better, and by the end its leading scorer, Ross Banazak, finished nearly at his average with 19.  Frankly, though, the fact that Ross Banazak is your leading scoring option explains what you need to know about Otterbein's offense.  That's not meant to demean Banazak, as he's a good player, but he's asked to do too much.  Otterbein hasn't found an inside presence to replace Tyler Ousley (sp?) and it shows.

A few other notes- Heidelberg was only 3-15 from 3 point land.  Subtracting those shots from their overall FGs and you see that they were an impressive 31-49 (63 percent) on all their shots taken inside the line. They made their living, and a pretty good one at that, usually no more than 5 feet from the hoop.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 10:29:32 pm
KB, I couldn't agree more, it would appear to me that whomever?....whoever?....(My Mother told me I should pay closer attention in English class) wins the conference tournament  won't be going far in the NCAA tournament, but there is still time for improvement. I hate to sell the OAC short, but it appears to be a slight bit on the.. weak side this year . No one is very impressive thus far.

Haha, in that instance I believe it's whoever.  But, I'm not here to be a grammar snob- I get paid to do that at my job!   :)

Your comment reminds me, though, that one thing I didn't get to in the post above is a comparison between Heidelberg and Capital. 

Heidelberg is good.  Maybe very good, and I think very likely better than Capital.  They play on Wednesday in Tiffin in what I think is clearly the showdown of the best teams in this year's OAC.

I've seen Capital twice and Heidelberg once and I can tell you that Capital has yet to impress me and Heidelberg definitely did.  This may not be a reference that works for you, but the NCAC readers will understand when I say that Heidelberg plays like the Wooster teams of a few years ago, before Wooster switched to play a more "up-tempo" style.  Those teams were generally characterized by a strong inside post play complimented with a few good shooting guards who made you respect the three.  Mix in a few deadly shooters like Wooster's current Devin Fulk or James Cooper, or former player Matt Smith (to keep the historical analogy), and the 'Berg would probably be a favorite in the OAC if not the Great Lakes.  Lemmon and Schmidt inside should give Capital fits, as it can counter with Steve Kyser but then generally ineffective Ben Gunn and good but not incredible Quintin Mitchell.

We'll see how it plays out, but I see the 'Berg as probably 3-5 point favorites at home against Capital on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 13, 2008, 09:48:39 am
The Cap/Heidelberg game should be a good one. I see the Student Princes winning this one also. I give Heideiberg a slight edge on the boards, but statistically these two teams are practically in a dead heat. I think the home court advantge is worth at least a bucket, therefore I'm picking Heidelberg in a close one....Besides, Cap is just not good enough to run the table in the OAC  this year and Heidelberg is the team I'm picking to hang their first loss on them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 14, 2008, 03:08:16 pm
The Heidelberg press release on the Berg-Otterbein game notes that Andrew Lemmon's 19 rebounds was a new career high for him.

I went to the site to look for any live stats/broadcast options so that I could follow Wednesday's game...but apparently no luck. Maybe they put up links closer to game time?  Capital's website does note some away from home broadcasts of men's games, but the Heidelberg game isn't among them.

Any chance d3hoops will be able to have any coverage of the OAC leaders meeting in Tiffin?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 16, 2008, 07:07:48 pm
For those with interest:

http://www.capital.edu/166/

Link on that page to a live broadcast for tonight's Capital at Heidelberg game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 16, 2008, 08:16:30 pm
Final:
Capital 99
Heidelberg 90

Capital was basically in control of this game throughout, and staved off a desperation comeback in the last 5 minutes that never really got the Berg closer than 7, I believe.

Story of the game/stat of the night: Rebounds.  I thought the Berg would shine here, but instead they were dominated on the glass.  Capital had 43 rebounds, including a crushing 14 offensive rebounds, to Heidelberg's 25 total.

My apologies to anyone I lead astray in the pick'ems- I did not expect this result at all.

Box Score (http://www.heidelberg.edu/sites/herald.heidelberg.edu/files/011608mb.htm)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 17, 2008, 09:23:39 am

My apologies to anyone I lead astray in the pick'ems- I did not expect this result at all.


Apology accepted KB.  ;)  ;D

Looks as though Cap might finally be playing up to their expectations.  I know anything can happen in the unpredictable OAC, but Cap's now 2 game lead over the rest of the pack looks to be pretty safe.  They have built that lead winning on the road at JCU, at ONU and now at Heide.  With most of Cap's more difficult games remaining at the Cap Center, to say they now have a pretty tight grasp on the conference is a bit of an understatement.

But, as I said.  This is the OAC and you should always expect the unexpected. :P  There's still a lot of basketball to be played and I'm sure this race is anything but over.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 17, 2008, 09:51:30 am
I was able to see the Cap Heid game last night and i definetly encourage anyone who thinks CAP is overrated to check them out again. They definetly saw a different team then i did.  CAP is huge/physical can rebound ,defend, and shoot the 3. The only real weakness i see is a huge lack of team athleticism.  I've seen Heidelberg several times this year and they are a good team but it was obvious from the start they did not have their best stuff. If CAP is not a top 20 team i'd hate to play anyone who is because i was definetly impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 17, 2008, 10:05:06 am

My apologies to anyone I lead astray in the pick'ems- I did not expect this result at all.


Apology accepted KB.  ;)  ;D

Looks as though Cap might finally be playing up to their expectations.  I know anything can happen in the unpredictable OAC, but Cap's now 2 game lead over the rest of the pack looks to be pretty safe.  They have built that lead winning on the road at JCU, at ONU and now at Heide.  With most of Cap's more difficult games remaining at the Cap Center, to say they now have a pretty tight grasp on the conference is a bit of an understatement.

But, as I said.  This is the OAC and you should always expect the unexpected. :P  There's still a lot of basketball to be played and I'm sure this race is anything but over.

SF,

Yeah, the fact that they have the three wins on the road is very impressive.  The same type of impressive that Wooster will be going for if it can pull off a win at Wittenberg this weekend (though that would only give Woo a 1 game NCAC lead.)

Basketball23-

As I read over the stats and the game story, it seems clear that Capital did three things that led to the win yesterday that were decidedly above its season averages: One, the huge (+18) rebounding advantage- they average about a +8 rebounding margin.  Two, Capital shot 33-41 from the line, just a hair above 80%, while its season average is a bit under 70&.  Three, Ryan Wood had a career day, and simply couldn't miss.  4-4 on three, 9-10 from the field overall with a career-high 28 points in only 23 minutes.

That's an impressive performance, and an example of a very good team raising their level of play and executing in a big game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 11:02:05 am
A two-game lead in the OAC is already unexpected enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 11:20:15 am
I was all prepared to jump on the Cap bandwagon, then I went and saw Muskingum play Ohio Northern last night (Musky won 61-60 on a Brandon Todd free throw in the waning seconds.)  I was left terribly underimpressed with Ohio Northern.  They have a handful of very tall, very skinny post players who are fairly good rebounders but don't seem to know how to establish offensive position.  Nevertheless, ONU forced the ball in to them as often as possible, which resulted in some baskets but too many turnovers and poor shots due to the posts being out of position.  When Musky was able to deny the entry pass, ONU looked like it had no backup plan. 

I had been impressed by Cap's victory in Ada, but now, having seen the PBs in action, I am less impressed.  I'm also impressed with Cap's win in Tiffin, but part of me has to wonder how good the Princes really are (not having seen them.)  I guess I just can't give Capital a break!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 17, 2008, 12:27:50 pm
David just curious to know if you happened to see if Kyle Gehle got hurt or was sick during that game. I noticed he only played about 15mins which is way under average for him. He is easily there best player and that might of had something to do with the loss.

KB-
I agree with your analysis those were definetly the 3 biggest keys to the game. If you told me Heid would hold Kyser to 10 and Stahl to 7 and CAP would win going away i would of told you you were nuts. However with the rebounding margin being what it was and CAP shooting in the high 60's in the 2nd half CAP was able to overcome that. It also seemed to me that Heid was very up tight. I dont know it was the big game atmosphere or they just didnt play well. CAP has had a lot of big game experiance over the last few years while Heid has had very little.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on January 17, 2008, 12:34:58 pm
Thanks for the link to the game KB - I didnt think that game was on either schools website as being broadcast. Cap was impressive, however I was still impressed with the way the berg came back. Another note from the game, Just when capital was going to blow it wide open it seemed like the OAC officials made just enough calls to tighten things up a bit and give the berg some easy FT's. Szalay and Wood were two guys trying to will their team to win last night and it was a great game to listen to. Dont be fooled though, Ryan wood has been putting up some big numbers throughout the season as well this shouldnt be unexpected. When teams double Nate Stahl it lets the other cap players step up. I will admit Capital has seemed to play their games at the level of their opponents this season which could come back and bite them on the road at a school later in the year when they shouldnt lose. The Berg must have had a packed house there last night even the radio background crowd was loud.

two quick notes - A 2 game in OAC is never safe (unless there is only one game left to play) and with regards to your post DC - MUSK shouldnt be overlooked down the stretch. They may be the most athletic team in the league, just havent been able to put it together early on.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 12:49:07 pm
Indeed, unless I am very much mistaken, Musky is now in 2nd place.  They certainly are athletic, but the offense seems to revolve around getting the ball into Brandon Todd's hands and letting him do whatever he wants with it.  It's often spectacular, highlight-reel stuff, but somewhat less often successful.  It seems to me that they'd be more successful with a more structured attack.  But what do I know; after all Felt, Todd, and Byrne (Musky's top three scorers) have been playing together all of their lives, the last 7 of which have been spent playing for Coach Ford pere or Coach Ford fils, so I suspect they know better than I what they can and cannot do.  I'd sure like to see Trevor Scott play a larger role in the offense, though.

Gehle was there, starting, and playing.  I don't know why he played limited minutes; he was not in foul trouble, and wasn't sick or hurt to my observation. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 17, 2008, 12:53:15 pm
I guess I just can't give Capital a break!  :D
You're one tough sell David!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 17, 2008, 01:26:23 pm
Thanks for the link to the game KB - I didnt think that game was on either schools website as being broadcast.

The first time I looked (about a week before the game) I didn't see any broadcast options on either website.  I looked again on game day and found it in the listings of Capital broadcasts.  I find both Capital and Heidelberg's websites to be annoying to navigate.

Dont be fooled though, Ryan wood has been putting up some big numbers throughout the season as well this shouldnt be unexpected.

I'm not fooled at all. Ryan Wood consistently impresses me with his play. It seems like he typically draws a harder defensive assignment than either Kyser or Stahl and he's right with them offensively (and has shot very, very well recently).

Indeed, unless I am very much mistaken, Musky is now in 2nd place. 

It seems to be a second place tie with Heidelberg, both 5-2 in the league, both losing to the same teams. Heidelberg has losses at Wilmington and to Capital; Muskingum also lost at Wilmington and lost at Capital.  They play each other Saturday in Tiffin.



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 17, 2008, 11:05:08 pm
Haven't been here for a few days and in reading some comments posted regarding the OAC have some random thoughts.....Cap is not that much better than Muskingum, Heidelberg or ONU for that matter but they have gotten the right bounces thus far....I still don't think they are a top twenty team and won't be there at the end of February....Yes they are a good team, but their wins have been unimpressive and far from dominating...the Muskies are holding their own as I thought they would....ONU has three OAC losses by a grand total of five points....by two to Heidelberg at Tiffin at the buzzer, by one to the Muskies at Muskingum from the foul line with three ticks to go and by two to Capital at home that admittedly was not as close at the end as the score would indicate....My point? There are four to five teams that could still win the OAC and I will be very surprised if Cap doesn't drop at least two conference games before tournament time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 19, 2008, 12:51:55 pm
Today's slate of games:

2:00 PM   Otterbein      Capital  (Should be Capital in a landslide.            
3:00 PM   Marietta      Baldwin-Wallace  (Probably a B-W win)            
3:00 PM   Wilmington   John Carroll  (This would be a nice OAC win for John Carroll.)         
3:00 PM   Muskingum   Heidelberg     (Winner takes sole possession of second place.)         
3:00 PM   Ohio Northern   Mount Union  (An MU win would be a mild upset, but certainly possible.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 19, 2008, 04:03:22 pm
Capital scores the first 17 points of the game, and cruises to an 86-57 victory over visiting Otterbein.

Capital held an utterly overmatched Otterbein squad to only 12 percent shooting in for the entire first half--and only 12 points, too.

It was 44-12 at half time.

Now off to Springfield and Wooster-Wittenberg for me!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2008, 11:57:56 pm
So what's going on with Otterbein this year? Man ...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 20, 2008, 12:52:15 am
All the Saturday finals:

Otterbein 57, Capital 86 (Thought it would be, and it was, Capital in a landslide.)            
Marietta 86, Baldwin-Wallace 82 (Probably a B-W win Marietta's first conference win moves B-W to 2-6 in the OAC...yikes.)            
Wilmington 61, John Carroll 74 (This would be a nice OAC win for John Carroll--and it is.)         
Muskingum 67, Heidelberg    83 (The Berg rebounds nicely.)         
Ohio Northern 66, Mount Union 69 (An MU win would be a mild upset, but certainly possible.  Well, I called that one.  Mount ends the game on an 18-6 run. ONU falls to 5-4 in the OAC.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 20, 2008, 02:57:52 am
If you were ever curious about how good Tori Davis and Tyler Ousley really was just look at BW and OTT's record thus far with mostly the same personnel besides themselves. What a diiference one player makes
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 20, 2008, 10:41:00 am
So what's going on with Otterbein this year? Man ...

Otterbein is dramatically under-talented this season.  They play hard and smart, enabling them to keep close in most games and even pull off mild upsets like when they beat Hanover in the Ballenger Classic, but they haven't got the horses to keep up even in a mildly down OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on January 24, 2008, 01:08:11 pm
Cap finishes the first half of the OAC schedule still undefeated in conference play with a decisive victory over Marietta on Wednesday night!

I don't think they will finish the year without an OAC loss, but it seems the race for the regular season crown is all but over.

Despite this and their #9 national rank, it seems Cap is a bit lacking in the respect department, based on some earlier comments.  Any converted belivers out there yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on January 24, 2008, 05:43:33 pm
I had a chance to catch most of the Capital Game last night. Capital looked like a good team and were up about 35 or so before they put the reserves in with more than 5 minutes to play. I think it ended up being 25 or something at the end i didnt stick around to watch the end of the game.

In the Capital games Ive caught this year they start hot and then hit cruise control the rest of the way which has let some teams catch up at the end. They might get caught sleeping one of these times.

The new Marietta coach has a nice group of younger players to build around if he can keep them in the program and take their licks for a year or two they might just be able to put something together in year 3.

I believe Capital is the strongest team in the league however it is the OAC and injuries can sneak up on a team and other teams can pull it together in february. Im not ready to give capital the regular season crown but they are a good team.

A 2 game lead is a nice lead at the turn but like i said before its only good if you have one game left. If BW could have pulled that off last night it would be a 3 game lead.

my projections would go:
Cap 16-2, Berg 14-4, JCU 13-5, ONU 12-6, MUSK 11-7,
and the rest Wilm, MTU, BW, OTT, MAR

Ive seen every team play at least once and feel pretty safe with that. Im not sure what the standings are but thats how i think it will shake out at years end.

Its going to be a fantastic last month of basketball thats for sure!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 24, 2008, 09:38:02 pm
Yesterday's Finals:

Marietta 53, Capital 79   
John Carroll 73, Muskingum 66            
Baldwin-Wallace 96, Heidelberg 100

That's a(nother) good win for John Carroll, now winners of 4 straight and in sole possession of third place in the league at 6-3.

The Heidelberg/B-W game is closer than expected:  Berg seemed to have the game in hand with a 79-61 lead at about the 10 minute mark, but then the next 9 minutes saw B-W outscore Berg 30-13, leaving it a 1 point game (92-91) with 1:04 on the clock.

They traded baskets to reach 94-93, then B-W needed to foul and Berg's Jake Hessey drained them both to give Berg a 3 point advantage with 8 seconds left.  Interestingly, it appears that Berg then fouled B-W to send them to the line with 4 seconds. Brendan Schuler made the first, purposely missed the second, and a Berg rebound and two more foul shots gives the final score.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 03:40:10 pm
43-40 Capital at the half vs. Baldwin-Wallace.  Sounds like Cap lead most of the first half, but that B-W was able to keep it close and then trim the lead to only 3 at the break.

34-33 Heidelberg holds the slim advantage over Wilmington at the half in Tiffin.

ONU seems to be cruising: 45-24 at the break over Marietta.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 04:04:39 pm
Capital and B-W tied at 52-52, can't get the broadcaster to tell me how much time is left.

This would be a huge upset, but this one is far from over. I think still around 10 minutes left.

54 all with 13 minutes to go.  I'm listening to the broadcast, but not closely.  I'll update as the half goes along.

4:00- 67-64 Capital leads. Capital is missing a lot of free throws, though.  Just missed two that could've pushed the lead to 5.  Capital back at the line for a 1-1.

Elsewhere, Heidelberg has pushed the advantage to 11 over Wilmington (65-54) with about 5 minutes left.

2:30 left- Capital leads by 6, 71-65.  Going back to the foul line again. Makes 1 of 2, and B-W turns the ball over.  This is Capital's largest lead of the game. And they commit a shot clock violation after missing two three pointers badly.

1:03- B-W scores, 72-67.

:55- Timeout Capital.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 04:37:43 pm
All Saturday 1/26 Finals:

Capital 77
Baldwin-Wallace 71

Wilmington 72
Heidelberg 82

Ohio Northern 80
Marietta 56

John Carroll 73
Otterbein 98

Mount Union 60
Muskingum 72
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 10:36:44 pm
John Carroll 73
Otterbein 98

This is as stunning as results come, even in the OAC.  Otterbein, who just a week ago was crushed by Capital by 29 in a game they were never in, rebounds in incredible fashion to keep John Carroll from moving into third place in the conference at 7-3.

It had seemed like last week Capital had driven home the nail in Otterbein's coffin of an OAC league season, holding the Cardinals to 29% shooting and worse, 19% on 5-27 shooting from three-point land.  Otterbein sat at 2-7 after the first trip through the league, and it didn't seem that the Cardinal was really going to offer much of any resistance the second time through the OAC.

Then you have what happened today at the Rike Center. What a difference a week makes!

Instead of shooting anywhere near 20% from 3 point land, Otterbein set a school-record with 18 made three pointers on 30 attempts, a remarkable 60%.

When Banazak, Wells, Ratai, Pollack and others stepped inside the line, they made 64% (33-51) of everything shot toward the basket.

In the first half, Otterbein barely missed at all: 20-27 from the floor, 7-10 on threes and 10-11 at the line, all of which combined to give the Cardinals a 57-26 lead at the half.  In the second half, JCU never got within 22.

Gameballs go to Adam Wells (27 pts on 6-10 3pt shooting) and Ross Banazak (22 pts on 4-6 3 pt shooting, and 6 assists).

For the game, Otterbein had 23 assists on 33 made baskets.  I could keep pointing out things from these box scores, but I think you just have to look at both of them to understand how dramatic the difference is between the Otterbein that took the floor on 1/19 and was pounded by Capital and the one that breezed past John Carroll today.

John Carroll-Otterbein Box Score. (http://www.otterbein.edu/athletics/Mbasketball/games/2008/game17.htm)
Capital-Otterbein Box Score. (http://www.otterbein.edu/athletics/Mbasketball/games/2008/game16.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 10:52:20 pm
I feel like I'm kinda talking to myself in here, but one other note from the action today:

Thanks to the remarkable result I discussed above, the top of the league standings are now both clearer and muddier at the same time.

The clearer portion:
Capital sits alone in first by 2 games: 10-0.
Heidelberg sits alone in second place, also by 2 games, at 8-2.

The muddier portion:
Ohio Northern wins to move to 6-4.
John Carroll loses to move to 6-4.
Muskingum wins to move to 6-4.
Wilmington loses to move to 5-5.

So we have Capital two games in the clear, but now Heidelberg also 2 games clear of everyone else, while the competition over slots 3-4-5 has become a dead heat, with Wilmington a game back at 5-5.  Wilmington currently also has the "best win" of any of that group, with its earlier win over 'Berg.

Lots of fun still to be had in this league before it's decided.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on January 29, 2008, 01:11:33 pm
I feel like I'm kinda talking to myself in here,

I know, but I for one appreciate you taking the time to do it.  I don't post a lot because I am a FB guy, not a BB guy, but I try to follow it as best I can.  That's hard sometimes being 3 hours away in Lexington, KY., so I rely on the posts and insight from you and David and others who are able to actually see my Crusaders and others play in person.  You can only get so much from a box score...

And, it's much harder to convince my wife to give me time off from the 19 month old twice a week for a couple of hours over a 30 game season for basketball webcasts than it is once a week for a few hours over a 10-12 game season for a football game, especially since I played FB and not hoops.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 29, 2008, 09:15:55 pm
Thanks JK.  In the interest of keeping anyone who cares to drop by updated: we've got another full slate of matchups in the OAC tomorrow.

Muskingum at John Carroll   
The battle between two 6-4 teams in part of the logjam for third place. JCU had won 4 straight before being blind sided by Otterbein over the weekend.  One of those four wins was over Muskingum, who would clearly love to even up the season series here.  I think JCU is more motivated after getting shellacked by Ott, and with only 3 home games remaining, will need every home win they can get.   
      
Capital at Wilmington
Wilmington faces a tough task if they are going to avoid losing a third straight conference game.  After starting the season 8-1, including a 10 point win over Heidelberg, the Quakers have lived up to the pacifism implied by their nickname, putting up little resistance while being beaten 6 times in their last 8.  Capital, on the other hand, simply looks to keep on rollin'. They made the first meeting of these teams look like a mis-match...probably no reason at this point to think that much will change in this contest.

Baldwin-Wallace at Mount Union
I haven't seen either of these teams. Gauging by the records, I may not be missing much, even though B-W has played both Heidelberg and Capital close in their last two games.

Heidelberg at Ohio Northern
ONU reversed a three-game slide by beating mostly hapless Marietta. 'Berg is looking for its fourth straight win and a season sweep of the Bears. The previous meeting was 'Berg, 72-70 at home in Tiffin, so I wouldn't expect ONU to go down quietly, if at all.

Marietta at Otterbein
Otterbein hasn't won back-to-back games all year. This would be the time to do it. If Marietta can keep the Cardinals from shooting 70% in the first half, then I'd expect them to stay close in a game that could be winnable.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 08:05:31 pm
First updates of the night:

Wilmington is swarming over Capital early- it's 25-11 Wilmington leads, with about 4 minutes to go first half.

John Carroll 47, Muskingum 37 with 13:51 left in the second half.  JCU just got called for its 7 team foul of the second half, so Muskingum stands to get a lot of foul shots in the rest of the half.  Not really sure how bad (if any) foul trouble JCU might be in.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 08:29:35 pm
Halftime
Capital 20
Wilmington 31

Story of the game is 11 offensive rebounds for Wilmington in the first half.  Amazingly enough, Capital shot a higher percentage (around 40%) than Wilmington did.  If you're Cap, you've gotta count your blessings at the half and realize it could be much, much worse.

Final:
JCU 76
Musky 62
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 08:49:55 pm
10:48 to go in the second half:

Capital         42
Wilmington  50

Capital has a 10-0 run.  First time it's been under 10 points in awhile.  Nate Stahl just hit a three pointer for his first points of the game.


Capital keeps edging closer...but can't quite get tied. It's been as close as 3 points.

3:47 to go

Capital         53
Wilmington  62

Quakers just hit a near-desperation 3 to avoid a shot clock violation to push the lead out to 9.

They 2 FTs for Cap with a bucket for Wilmington.

Quakers headed to the line. Both teams in the 1-1.  64-55 Wilmington, 2:50 to play.  Walker misses the FT, Cap rebound.  Capital needs points, and fast.  Miss...fast break the other way...lay up missed, but another offensive rebound for Wilmington, and they'll take a time out.

I don't know Wilmington enough to know who their best foul shooters are, but if they make them, they'll have this one on ice.

1:45 -  Harrison fouled by Kyser. It all comes down to FTs now.  Makes the first 65-55, and the second. The lead is 11, 66-55

1:25 - Missed 3 pt. by Ryan Wood. Rebound Wilmington and they run...

And there's the final nails in the coffin.  Wilmington throws down a slam on the breakaway, then gets a steal on the inbound and throws down another slam.  70-55, can't be more than a minute left.

Another miss for Capital, rebound Quakers.  FTs to be shot.

:45 seconds-  Both FTs are good. 72-55 Wilmington.


Final

Capital           55
Wilmington    72
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 11:06:34 pm
Elsewhere in the OAC:

Baldwin-Wallace 81
Mount Union     72

Heidelberg         72
Ohio Northern   89

Marietta            96
Otterbein          95 (OT)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 11:20:36 pm
So, the top of the OAC now looks like this:

Capital            (10-1)   Capital shows fractures in the armor with an inability to score, rebound in loss.
Heidelberg        (8-3)  'Berg loss means Cap keeps the 2 game advantage.
Ohio Northern  (7-4)  ONU won the first head-to-head with JCU.
John Carroll      (7-4)  Even with that loss to Otterbein, JCU might be playing the best basketball in the OAC.  Who do they play next? Oh, that's right, Capital...
Wilmington      (6-5)  Quakers split the season series with 'Berg and Capital.
Muskingum      (6-5)   Muskies seem to match expectations...losing to better teams but always beating worse teams.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 31, 2008, 12:25:05 am
Interesting that Ott goes out and spanks JCU over the weekend and how do they follow that up???

Predictably, they lose to lowly Marietta... ::)

That's the OAC for ya?! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 31, 2008, 01:58:21 am

That's the OAC for ya?! :P

But this is the first week that the OAC has behaved like the OAC we've come to know, love and be baffled by.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 08:49:15 am
Why did Wilmington have so few home games in January?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 31, 2008, 09:55:55 pm

That's the OAC for ya?! :P

But this is the first week that the OAC has behaved like the OAC we've come to know, love and be baffled by.  ???

Yeah, I'm not really convinced that there is a truly "great" team in this league- even with Capital ascending to lofty (if short-lived) poll positions nationally.

That said, to catch Capital someone–probably a few someones- is/are going to have to beat Capital in Bexley. On paper, they don't have a single dangerous road game left, but all four home games could be dangerous.


Also, I have re-evaluated JCU a little bit.  Of the top 6 teams, they are currently the only one to have lost 2 OAC games at home, where they are 4-2.  JCU has only one road conference win, as well, and 5 of its last 7 will be on the road.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 01, 2008, 11:52:24 pm
Looking at the remainder of the season I have to agree with kb regarding Cap's remaining games.
At this juncture, the regular season title is theirs to lose, but they are far from unbeatable as Wilmington found out. I am far from neutral on the subject of Ohio Northern,but they are the only OAC team that has not suffered a double digit loss in the OAC. In fact, their four conference losses have now been by  a total of eight points, with their only three point loss being to Mount Union. I know,I know, would have,could have,should have...but I am telling you the Bears are a team to be dealt with over this last month and but for a bucket here or there could easily be a one loss team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 02, 2008, 06:06:03 pm
I am far from neutral on the subject of Ohio Northern,but they are the only OAC team that has not suffered a double digit loss in the OAC. In fact, their four conference losses have now been by  a total of eight points, with their only three point loss being to Mount Union. I know,I know, would have,could have,should have...but I am telling you the Bears are a team to be dealt with over this last month and but for a bucket here or there could easily be a one loss team.
I am presuming that you didn't 'knock on wood' after you made this post? ;)  No sooner did you make this post than the Polar Bears went and lost their first OAC game by double digits today vs. B-W.  Not that you jinxed them or anything onefan... ;)  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 02, 2008, 09:48:14 pm
Boy no kidding!!!! Just abot the time you think you know what you're talking about and wham!!! This ONU team is just hard to figure out. Wednesday night they could have whpped anybody in the league....great movement of the ball on offense...tenacious defense....teamwork out the wazoo and then this....I love this conference despite the frustration of seeing the ones ya' love take it on the chin sometimes.....ahhh well there's always another game in three or four days to get excited about again....From now on...the mouth stays shut and the eyes will continue to watch and learn....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 03, 2008, 01:29:47 pm
I caught the Capital JCU game yesterday and I can tell you that it was a track meet for the first 20 mins. I think there may have been 10 missed shots then entire half with the score being about 63-51 at half. Capital played good D in the second to push the margin out to 113-78 I believe, it was an incredible game to watch. Hard to believe that was the same Cap team that caught caught sleeping at Wilmington on wednesday. Talking to some of the capital fans that went to the WILM game it sounded like a few guys were sick or just out of it on wednesday but whatever it was they figured it out yesterday. WILM is a good athletic team though. It looks like OTT might finally be putting something together with a solid win at Muskie.

Its now a two team race for the regular season title with CAP at 11-1 and HEID at 9-3. I really doubt that CAP drops 4 of the last 6 to give ONU JCU or WILM a shot at it but look out come tourny time. HEID goes on the road down the stretch but they can definitly make this interesting if they take care of business.

One more quick note- Capital Junior Nate Stahl broke 1,000 point mark yesterday with a breakaway and one. What a great career and achievement for a kid who still has 35+ games left to play.

Whats the thoughts on player of the year in the league? Stahl, Lemmon, Walsh, Kyle Brown, or Gehle.... anyone want to throw another name in there? At this point with Cap being the most dominant I would have to give it to stahl. He gets 13 and 5 while being double teamed and trapped allowing others to make big plays. Walsh had 20 in the first half yesterday but seemed to get tired with Capital playing 12 guys and rotating, but he should be thrown in the mix as well. Lemmon is another solid player who leads his team but Im not sure if the consistency has been there to get a POY nod. great player none the less. Kyle Brown is a great player but the team isnt that good and Gehle is having an up and down year as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 04, 2008, 11:13:32 pm
Dynex- any explanation for why Otterbein and Capital were both able to better than 60% for the game both overall and from 3 point land?  Are there defensive problems with JCU?  I haven't seen them this year, but from when I've seen them in the past, it always seemed like they were physical enough and intense enough on the defensive end that the idea of an opponent hitting such a high percentage seemed unlikely.  I could understand the lack of a Brandon Mimes inside hurting the interior defense...but it's perimeter defense that has been missing against Ott and Cap.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 05, 2008, 12:04:57 am
Thought I would return to my duties as unofficial/occasional poster about all things Ohio Athletic Conference:

Looking at teams and races from here on in:

The Top 2:

Capital.  At 11-1, Capital has 3 "easy" wins and 3 "challenging" games left.  Win the three they should win, plus a season sweep of Heidelberg, Cap would finish at least 15-3 and alone in first place. My guess is the Crusaders finish 5-1 or 6-0 and mop up the league. Worst case scenario seems to be a 3-3 finish, 14-4 OAC, which probably still wins the league.  To go worse than that would be a titanic failure.

Heidelberg.  If Cap goes .500 or better (14 wins or more), then no one save Heidelberg, at 9-3, even has a chance to catch up. The 'Berg has three tough road assignments (Cap, JCU and Musky) left, and four road games.  To catch up to Cap, the Berg needs to be perfect or at least 3-1 on the road (with the loss somewhere other than Bexley) and to win what should be two "easy" games at home.  Catching Cap is probably unlikely. On the plus side, a 5-1 or 4-2 finish (14-4 or 13-5) virtually insures no worse than second place; any of the three 7-5 teams would have to finish a perfect 6-0 to match that record.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 05, 2008, 12:07:56 am
The 7-5/6-6 Logjam:

Wilmington. The Quakers own the best win tiebreakers, and have proven that they can take on the top two teams, earning splits with 'Berg and Cap.  As an added bonus, it is the only 7-5 team that is done playing both 'Berg and Cap. Wilmington also has only 2 road games left, both against fellow "log jammers." (@ ONU, @ Musky) Quakers are 4-1 at home in OAC play, with 3 winnable games left on home court. It shouldn't be a stretch to go at least 4-2 (3-1 at home, 1-1 on the road) and end at 11-7.

Ohio Northern.  Only two road games, but one is Capital. Like Wilmington, the key for ONU will be holding serve at home as much as possible. 3-1 or 4-0 at home and 1-1 on the road would put ONU in basically the same situation as Wilmington. Wilmington won the first head-to-head; ONU needs to win the rematch on its home floor to have a shot at 3rd.

John Carroll has managed to sandwich a season sweep of Musky around blow-out losses to the best team in the league and one of the worst.  Weird.  JCU has two home losses in league play and could easily get a third courtesy of 'Berg in a few weeks.  To go better than .500 in the last six, JCU will have to earn a win against 'Berg at home, or ONU and Wilmington on the road and avoid any other pitfall.

Muskingum. Of the teams in the "log jam," Musky is the one that seems most likely to stay at the bottom edge of it.  Already a game back at 6-6 and beaten twice by JCU, Musky still has to go to Capital and host Heidelberg, plus go on the road to ONU and host Wilmington. 4-0 in those games would be stunning, and thus unlikely. I see them probably going at best 2-2 there, 4-2 in the last 6, for a record of 10-8 at best.  Musky only holds a favorable head-to-head against ONU currently, of the teams ahead of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 06, 2008, 08:04:58 pm
KB - Ive seen Cap and Ott play multiple times this year and its obviously a tale of two teams here in columbus. However, with Cap and Ott both putting up huge numbers against JCU stems from a lack of team defense. Both teams obviously made more 3's than they missed against JCU and some were tough shots but JCU has trouble rotating and sometimes leaves shooters open. They have the athletes to play with the big boys but in bexley they just ran out of gas after a 63-51 first half. I think JCU is still a team that they could make things interesting in the tournament.
My predictions is that Cap will drop another one they shouldnt but still win the league. The tournament will be at Capital but Look for HIED, WILM, ONU, and JCU to put a run together.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 06, 2008, 10:33:31 pm
Another Wednesday, another night of puzzling finals in the OAC:

Heidelberg 84, Baldwin-Wallace 87   ???
Capital 82, Marietta 48
Ohio Northern 103, Otterbein 74
Mount Union 70, John Carroll 65  ???
Wilmington 49, Muskingum 72   :o :o

So, it's:

Capital 11-1
Heidelberg 9-4
Ohio Northern 8-5
Wilmington 7-6
John Carroll 7-6
Muskingum 7-6

Capital now has a 3 game lead with 5 to play.  I think I know where the OAC Men's Tournament will be...
How does Wilmington control a game to win against Capital, then lose to Muskingum by 23?

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 07, 2008, 07:27:10 am
KB - (WILM comment) Anyone can get up to play a top team esp at home such as WILM vs Cap last week, however those wednesday games can catch you sleeping, litterally. After a day of classes and the WILM to muskie trip isnt the shortest. you have to bring it every night.

Cap's website said Capital was up 40 with 6 minutes to play..... On the road on a wednesday thats not too bad after it being a 3 point game close to half. 

ONU Ott doesnt surprise me, and really BW uypsetting HIED doesnt either. However, JCU was beat at home by MUC and that would be JCU 's 3rd home loss this seaon. Thats really the only shocker here in my opinion. Dont get me wrong MUC is a good team at times but i would expect JCU to defend their home court.  BW is playing decent basketball esp at home right now. Cap up three games with 5 to play, it will be interesting to see if Coach Goodwin can keep his guys focused over the next couple weeks. No doubt in my mind they are a shoe in to win it, but if they let their guard down they might get clipped in the OAC tourny. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 07, 2008, 09:59:05 am
No doubt in my mind they are a shoe in to win it, but if they let their guard down they might get clipped in the OAC tourny. 

I don't see how Cap can be caught now with Heide losing last night.  But, the Crusaders still have to stay sharp to avoid falling prey to the upset in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 08, 2008, 05:03:45 pm
KB


Thanks for your continued good work on the OAC postings....However, I must point out that on Feb. 5th you stated Wilmington won the first head to head with ONU at Wilmington...ONU actually won that game 66-62. Looks like there is still a contest for second place, I don't see Cap falling apart, but I wouldn't put money on anybody for second at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 08, 2008, 05:17:56 pm
KB


Thanks for your continued good work on the OAC postings....However, I must point out that on Feb. 5th you stated Wilmington won the first head to head with ONU at Wilmington...ONU actually won that game 66-62. Looks like there is still a contest for second place, I don't see Cap falling apart, but I wouldn't put money on anybody for second at this point.

Indeed they did.  Oops.   :-[

Yeah, 'Berg's loss to B-W really opens up the race for second/third/fourth.  (ie. first round hosts in the tournament.)  As usual, it should be fun from here on in.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 08, 2008, 06:09:41 pm
Took a few moments and looked over the schedules for ONU,Wilmington,John Carroll, Muskingham, and Heidelaberg....ONU's final five are a combined 37-28, Muskingam's last five are combined 36-29, Heidelberg's are 32-33,John carroll's 31-34 and Wilmington's are 28-37....BUT...Heidelberg has four of their last five on the road...tough finish...they've got JC,Muskingam, and Cap on the road...I see them losing a minimum of two of their last five leaving them at
















Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 08, 2008, 06:30:31 pm
Sorry about that....I lost power and posted a half-post....Anyway that leaves the Berg at 12-6...good for second place... John Carroll also plays four of their last five on the road....they just aren't stong enough to win more than three of those and probably will lose to ONU ,Heidelberg and Wilmington, which leaves them at 9-9....The Muskies play three of five at home, but one of their home games is Heidelberg and I don't think the Berg is going down easy , I see them losing to Cap at Cap, to ONU at ONU, and losing to The Student Princes at home to finish at 9-9....ONU has four of their last five at home, but their one away game is Capital...I see them winning three of their last five losing to Cap and losing one of the three between JC, the Muskies and Wilmington and finishing at 11-7...That leaves Wilmington with their last four of five at home against teams with a combine 43% winning percentage....I think they'll take four of five and finish 11-7 tied with ONU for second....There, now that I have that all figured out we can save ourselves a lot of time and just get to the tournament..
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 09, 2008, 05:03:29 pm
OAC Scores from 2/9:

Muskingum 66
Capital 72

Baldwin-Wallace 60
Wilmington 70

John Carroll 81
Ohio Northern 90

Marietta 66
Heidelberg 93

Otterbein 71
Mount Union 76

So the league looks like this:

Capital (13-1)
Heidelberg (10-4)
Ohio Northern (9-5)
Wilmington (9-5)
John Carroll (7-7)
Muskingum (7-8)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 11, 2008, 05:32:10 pm
Just took a look at the all Decade team....

Jeff Gibbs on second team.. great honor for him, would have hated to see how good the other guy was.

Tori Davis on honorable mention ? Seriously? Not meant to be a knock on Tori but I think I could name at least 25 players in the OAC that have been better than him in the last decade let alone in all of D3. tori was a good player and a great person but i think thats a stretch.

Also - checked out the OAC website and  noticed Otterbein has 5 wins and 3 Players of the week. found that interesting. While, Cap, WILM, and JCU only have one each. ONU and HEID with two each. How is this determined and why would Otterbein have almost as many players of the week as they do wins?

anyone want to talk POY with two weeks left to play in the regular season?
Im looking out there and notice that I think Cap has the two best guards in the league in Ryan Wood and Nate Stahl, both of whom have been sick or injured lately, but they dont have anyone in the top of the individual stats. Does this hurt them for postseason awards? Also I think you have to consider Terry Walsh, Kyle Brown, and even one of the Heid guys such as Lemon, Szalay, or Schimdt.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2008, 05:39:00 pm
Were they consistently better than he was for four years? It's an entire-career award.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 11, 2008, 07:56:04 pm
I mean i wasnt trying to disrepect his career or anything but the  likes of Jim Conrad, Shawn McCormick, Geron Tate, Bryan Nelson, Jeremy Thompson, even Jesse Duperow. I mean i think the list could go on of players who (in my opinion) had better careers. I just dont think hes one of the top 20 players in the last 10 years across the country, when he wasnt the best in his league...

None the less, great honor for Tori.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 11, 2008, 08:13:24 pm
According to the oac.org website,

Tori Davis was a four time all-OAC player, including 3 time first team player,  League player of the year in 2006 and 2007. 

Finished 7th all-time in league scoring, and 5th in rebounding and the all-time leading shot blocker for BW.

None of the players you listed are ahead of him in either career scoring or rebounding (not even Gibbs)

http://www.oac.org/documents/MBB2007-08MANUAL.pdf

not sure why but Davis doesn't show up on the all-time leading rebounder list, but it says he was #5 from this release........

http://www.oac.org/documents/2007MBBAll-OAC.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2008, 02:15:33 am
Right -- he was the best in his league, twice in fact. I can see Dynex disagrees but I kinda like the collective opinion of the coaches in this regard.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 12, 2008, 11:33:22 am
Duly noted fellas.

He had better CAREER numbers than I thought and I guess I didnt realize he was two time player of the year.
I thought that was his brother who got it one year and he got it the other.  I saw him play a few times and i didnt see that he was as good as some of those guys mentioned, but numbers dont lie. But hey, thats what this board is for right Pat? Honest mistake dont hold it against me  ;D




Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 14, 2008, 12:12:09 am
Scores from 2/13:

Capital 80
Mount Union 68

Heidelberg  82
John Carroll 74

Baldwin-Wallace 84
Otterbein 94

Marietta  70
Muskingum 76

Wilmington 80
Ohio Northern 79

So, Capital (14-1) clinches at least a share of the OAC regular season title, up 3 with 3 to play, and winning at least one of its last three seems highly probable...though not totally a gimmie.
Heidelberg (11-4) keeps pace and moves closer to clinching the second seed, as Ohio Northern's loss puts the 'Berg two games in the clear.
Huge win (on a late 3-pointer) for Wilmington (9-6), who earned a split with ONU (9-6) and by virtue of wins over Capital and Heidelberg, holds the "best win" tiebreaker on anyone in the league. ONU also has to face Cap Saturday. Advantage Quakers for seed #3.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 14, 2008, 12:19:49 am
I'm going to try to look at the bottom half of the OAC bracket when I get a chance...just not staying up/able to think it through tonight.  Otterbein is 3-3 in its last 6 OAC games to pull into a three-way tie with Baldwin-Wallace and Mount Union at 5-10 in the league.  One of those three teams will end up sitting the OAC tournament out.

Also, JCU needs to find a way to right the ship- the Streaks' current streak is decidedly "Blue." Four straight losses in two weeks, to fall from 7-4 to 7-8.  Marietta looms- there's probably no better way to stop the bleeding.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 14, 2008, 10:12:38 am
Marietta looms- there's probably no better way to stop the bleeding.
I wouldn't bet the house on it as 'Etta came closer than expected to beating Musky last night... ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 18, 2008, 11:44:19 am
Capital wrapped up the OAC Regular Season title this past weekend and the #1 seed in the OAC tourney that goes with it by beating ONU.  The big game against the Berg this week now loses some of its luster, but I think Cap will still look at it as a bit of a "statement game" going into the tourney and try to put the rest of the OAC "on notice" as to how far ahead they are from everyone else if they can handily beat the Student Princes.

It will be interesting to see how Coach Goodwin keeps his guys up over the next few games since they now don't have a lot of meaning.  They'll really have to guard against getting complacent, as there won't be a lot of margin for error if they lose in the OAC tourney and have to vie for an at-large in the NCAA's.  I think the team is mature enough, however, to realize this, and I certainly don't expect them to let their proverbial "guard down."

But, the road now goes through Bexley.  Which is, I think, a good thing.

Didn't check the standings before I posted, so what do the potential OAC tourney matchups look like?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2008, 11:51:03 am
Capital wrapped up the OAC Regular Season title this past weekend and the #1 seed in the OAC tourney that goes with it by beating ONU.  The big game against the Berg this week now loses some of its luster, but I think Cap will still look at it as a bit of a "statement game" going into the tourney and try to put the rest of the OAC "on notice" as to how far ahead they are from everyone else if they can handily beat the Student Princes.

Didn't check the standings before I posted, so what to the potential OAC tourney matchups look like?

I think 'Berg might think of this as a "statement game," too.  I expect that 'Berg isn't happy about how Capital manhandled them in the first meeting.  Should be a nice matchup.

I'm also interested in pairings...I'll take a look when I get a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 18, 2008, 12:53:14 pm
So, the OAC standings look like this currently (I've left 10th place 'Etta off the list, as they are eliminated from the tourney already):

Rank, Name, OAC W, OAC L, Overall W, Overall L
1. Capital          15       1             20           3 
2. Heidelberg    12       4             18           5 
3. Wilmington    10       6             15           8 
4. Ohio Northern 9       7             13           10 
5. John Carroll     8       8             11           11 
5. Muskingum      8       8             14           9 
7. BW                  6       10              9          14 
8. Mount Union    5       11              9         14 
8. Otterbein         5       11             6          17

I am ashamed to say that I don't know enough about my own conference to know the tiebreakers, so I listed the tie for 8th between MUC and OTT.  If the TB is overall record as I assume, then MUC is in and the Otters are out (no tears from me for that  ;) ) and that Musky would get the 5 over JCU?!?  I didn't take the time to research head to head, etc. for other TB's, which would also impact seedings.

So that would give us:
#8 MUC at #1 Cap (sound familiar football fans?!?  Only this time Cap is the favorite  ;D)
#7 B-dub would go to Tiffin to play the #2 Berg
#6 JCU would be at #3 Wilma
#5 Musky would head to Ada to play #4 ONU

Looking back through the season, I would think that the Streaks at the Quakers would be the best game of the first round, as both could be considered "dark horse" picks in the tourney (JCU much more than Wilma, but even as the 3 seed Wilma is 5 back of Cap, so...) and could make some noise if they got hot.  JCU does have lots of postseason experience from recent years. 

Of course the 4-5 game is always a toss up, and I had recently seen some posts re: ONU, and thought they might be my darkhorse for the tourney, but Cap seemingly handled them pretty well Saturday, so unless they improve bunches over the next week, I'm not sure about them.  I'm really not sure about the Fishes from New Concord.  They look a bit on again- off again.

Those of you like kiltedbrian, Scots Fan, etc. who have seen most or all of these teams, what do you think of these matchups as they currently stand?   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2008, 01:38:48 pm
Those of you like kiltedbrian, Scots Fan, etc. who have seen most or all of these teams, what do you think of these matchups as they currently stand?   

Anything goes in the OAC tournament, and I see no reason to suspect that this year will be any different. 
*I assume that Cap would handle MUC with no difficulty, but if their opponent should turn out to be Ott, there's a rivalry factor that comes into play, plus the fact that Ott can get streaky-hot and make any game interesting. 
*Muskingum is tough to beat at home, where they are 5-3 with losses to Cap (by 4), JCU (7), and Ott (4 in OT), but they haven't won a road conference game since Jan. 9 at Etta.  As much as I'd like to see them get a home game (solely for my own convenience), it looks like they'd have to beat 'Berg and win at ONU this week to do it (JCU swept Musky and so holds the tie-break between them.) 
*I don't know what to think about ONU.  I only saw them once this year (at Musky) and was unimpressed.  They had a home tournament game last year, vs. Ott, which I went to see, and was amazed at how blase they were.  They didn't play with any great fire, and didn't seem responsive to the crowd, and when they had lost, they left the court as if it was just another game and not the last game of the season.  Based only on that, I'd say the team that heads to Ada has a good chance of winning, especially if that team is JCU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2008, 02:32:21 pm
So, the OAC standings look like this currently (I've left 10th place 'Etta off the list, as they are eliminated from the tourney already):

Rank, Name, OAC W, OAC L, Overall W, Overall L
1. Capital          15       1             20           3 
2. Heidelberg    12       4             18           5 
3. Wilmington    10       6             15           8 
4. Ohio Northern 9       7             13           10 
5. John Carroll     8       8             11           11 
5. Muskingum      8       8             14           9 
7. BW                  6       10              9          14 
8. Mount Union    5       11              9         14 
8. Otterbein         5       11             6          17

I am ashamed to say that I don't know enough about my own conference to know the tiebreakers, so I listed the tie for 8th between MUC and OTT.  If the TB is overall record as I assume, then MUC is in and the Otters are out (no tears from me for that  ;) ) and that Musky would get the 5 over JCU?!?  I didn't take the time to research head to head, etc. for other TB's, which would also impact seedings.


Don't be ashamed.  I've tried to find the tie-breaker information on the OAC conference website several times, to no avail.  However, from last year I remember discussion about tiebreakers, and I am relatively certain that after head-to-head, the tiebreaker goes to the team with the "best win" in OAC play.

Currently, that means Mount is in, Otterbein is out, based on Mount's win over current #3 seed Wilmington.  Ott's best win appears to be over current #6 Muskingum. Otterbein plays at Wilmington Wednesday, so a win there could mean that we'll have to learn even more about tie-breaker scenarios.  :)

JCU currently holds the #5 seed because of the season sweep of Musky (as David notes.)

It's still possible, though somewhat improbable, with the remaining schedules, for Wilmington, ONU, JCU and Muskingum to all end up in a four-way tie at 10-8.  That would be fun.  ::)

One more win for 'Berg locks up the #2 seed and the same goes for Wilmington and the #3 seed (Wilmington/ONU split; Quakers have the best win tiebreaker).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2008, 03:07:15 pm
You want tie-breaker madness?  Check out the NCAC Women (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=726.msg868094#msg868094), who may have not one but two unbreakable three-way ties at the end of the season, one in the 2-3-4 positions , the other in the 7-8-9 positions, and both settled by the casting of lots. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2008, 05:18:02 pm
Capital has posted a page with information about the 2008 OAC tournament.

http://www.capital.edu/17574/

I assume the site will continue to be updated as more teams/seeds are known.  Links to local food/lodging and such are provided.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on February 18, 2008, 08:06:28 pm
Trying to figure out OAC scenarios/tourney matchups right now isn't going to do anything but cause you headaches. For Example, even though Heidelberg has locked up no worse then the 3 seed they could potentially play anyone besides Capital, Wilmington, or Marietta (only because the Pio's are eliminated from contention) Will know a lot more after wednesday. Speaking of the Berg, with OWU's loss to Earlham are the Princes the GL Region best Pool C chance?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2008, 10:32:39 pm
This is quoted over from the multi-regional topics "Pool C" board:



GL  64   01   01   0.6098 0.5232 0.5291 Capital                   012  A w C       19-3 20-3
GL  63   02   03   0.5960 0.5146 0.4883 Wooster                   018  A w C       13-2 20-3
GL  62   03   02   0.5911 0.4857 0.5180 Hope                      023  A w C       14-2 19-3
GL  64   04   04   0.5800 0.4973 0.5253 Heidelberg                035  C 14        16-4 18-5
GL  62   05   09   0.5770 0.5038 0.5005 Albion                    037  C 15        12-3 16-5
GL  61   06   07   0.5570 0.4408 0.4964 Penn State-Behrend        044  A second    17-3 19-4
GL  61   07   06   0.5532 0.4556 0.4921 Lake Erie                 053  C second    17-4 17-6
GL  63   08   05   0.5803 0.5458 0.4929 Ohio Wesleyan             056  C second    14-5 15-7
GL  64   09   10   0.5651 0.5155 0.5153 Wilmington                069  C third     15-6 15-8



OK, I've fixed the issues that I've found. DePauw drops out of Pool C, replaced by Albion.

Pabegg has a great resource there in guessing at Pool C bids.  You'll notice that 'Berg will likely be slotted immediately behind the three "likely Pool A" teams in the GL.

Pabegg also rates 'Berg as receiving the 14th Pool C bid (there are 17 total). Albion is immediately behind with the 15th bid.  I would consider both of those teams candidates for Pool C bids if they win all their games until their respective conference tournament finals.

Heidelberg plays Capital Wednesday.  A Heidelberg win will definitely bolster 'Berg in the Pool C contention.  It's unclear to me how much a loss (since it would be to a good team) would hurt its chances.

Best bet for 'Berg or Albion though, is to win their tournaments...it's the only sure way.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2008, 10:52:45 pm
Any of my fellow posters/lurkers planning to attend Wednesday's Heidelberg/Capital tilt?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 20, 2008, 09:08:05 pm
Final:

Heidelberg 80
Capital      74

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 20, 2008, 09:09:01 pm
the CAP HEID game was ugly... Looked more like a team that had already won the league and a team that wanted to prove they were able to be in the same gym. The officiating was pretty ugly throughout with the teams getting physical down the streth, and Capital seemingly was bored until they found themselves down 10 with 5 minutes to play. They kicked it in gear and ran off 9 straight and then it was a FT contest for HEID down the stetch.. HEID definitely hit some big shots early in the game and then Capital had no answer inside in the second half. Im not sure what the stats were but I wouldnt be surprised if HEID outrebounded the Crusaders in their own gym... #1, and #2 seeds are set for next week. We will see how these two teams react on saturday.

Makes for an intereting OAC tourny!  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2008, 01:17:21 am
Finals from 2/20:
As per usual in the OAC, on this night 4 of the 5 worse-record teams won the games.  Only Mount Union/Marietta went according to "form."

Heidelberg    80   
Capital    74   

John Carroll    70   
Baldwin-Wallace  81   

Marietta       51
Mount Union 72

Muskingum    78
Ohio Northern    72   

Otterbein    80
Wilmington 67
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on February 21, 2008, 05:59:04 am
Sombody can correct me, but it looks like it will be Otterbein on the outside looking in, in terms of grabbing the 8th spot. They need to pull off the major upset Saturday at home against CAP in order to overcome all of the tie-break scenarios which are decidedly against them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2008, 11:08:47 am
With a win, Ott is in the tournament regardless of what B-W or Mount Union does.
With a win and a B-W loss, Ott is the #7 seed (split with B-W; best win is Ott over Cap).
With a win and a B-W win, Ott is the #8 seed.

With a loss, Ott needs Mount Union to lose. If that happens and they are tied at 6-12, then I think this is the scenario: They split with each other. Both were swept by #1 Capital and #2 'Berg and both split with #3 Wilmington. So it comes down to who wins the #4 seed. If it's Musky, Ott is in (Ott split, Musky swept MU). If ONU claims the #4 seed, then Mount Union is in (MU and ONU would split, ONU swept Ott). So the irony there is that Mount could lose to ONU...and it could help!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 21, 2008, 12:09:45 pm
So it comes down to who wins the #4 seed

ONU and Musky are presently tied at 9-8.  Musky holds the tie-breaker, having swept the PBs.  So ONU must beat MUC and have 'Berg beat Musky to clinch the #4 seed.  If both ONU and Musky lose and JCU beats Wilma, there'd be a three-way tie at 9-9 which I think breaks ONU's way by virtue of ONU's "best win" over 'Berg.  (Musky swept ONU, ONU swept JCU, JCU swept Musky.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 21, 2008, 01:07:44 pm
The Otters are, of course, our biggest rival.  While Cap is the better team, anything could happen.

I just don't like the scenario of playing OTT this weekend and then going back to back with them in the first round of the OAC.

If Cap can take care of business and eliminate the Otters, that would be doubly sweet!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 22, 2008, 12:08:25 pm
Current Standings:

Capital (15-2)     
Heidelberg (13-4)    
Wilmington (10-7)    
Muskingum (9-8)    
Ohio Northern (9-8)    
John Carroll (8-9)    
Baldwin-Wallace (7-10)    
Mount Union (6-11)    
Otterbein (6-11)
Marietta (2-15) (eliminated from tournament)

So I think I've worked out all the seeding possibilities:

#1 Capital
#2 Heidelberg
#3 Wilmington (owns tiebreakers on Musky and ONU)

#4 ONU/Musky Scenarios:
4a) Musky wins and/or ONU loses.  Musky is the 4 seed.
4b) ONU wins and Musky loses. ONU is the 4 seed.
4c) ONU, Musky lose and JCU wins. Three-way tie at 9-9. They all swept each other; ONU owns the best win. ONU is the 4 seed (JCU is the 5, and Musky the 6).

#5 ONU/Musky/JCU Scenarios:
5a) Musky is the fifth seed only if it loses, ONU wins, and JCU loses.
5b) JCU is the fifth seed only if it wins while Musky loses. (JCU owns the tiebreaker.)
5c) ONU is the fifth seed in all other situations. (ONU is the fourth seed in 5a and 5b.)

#6 Musky/JCU/B-W
6a) JCU claims at least the sixth seed with a win. That keeps JCU clear of B-W. If Musky ties JCU at 9-9, JCU is the fifth seed, Musky is sixth (head-to-head sweep). If ONU ties JCU at 9-9, ONU is fifth, JCU is sixth (again head-to-head sweep).
6b) JCU loses and B-W wins, tie 8-10. They split; B-W has a win over Heidelberg. Advantage B-W for sixth, JCU would be the seventh seed.

#7 B-W/Ott/JCU
7a) B-W wins, JCU loses. See 6b, above. B-W is sixth, JCU seventh.
7b) B-W wins, JCU wins. B-W is seventh.
7c) Everybody (B-W, MUC, Ott) loses. B-W is the seventh seed at 7-11.

#7/#8 ties:
7/8a) B-W loses, MUC wins, Ott loses. B-W swept MUC; B-W seventh, MUC eighth, Ott is out.
7/8b) B-W loses, MUC loses, Ott wins. B-W and Ott split; Ott would have the best win (over Capital), so Ott seventh, B-W eighth and MUC sits it out.
7/8c) B-W loses, MUC and Ott win. Three-way tie at 7-11. I assume the head-to-head analysis is "best record among tied teams." So B-W is 3-1 (swept MUC, split Ott), and Ott is 2-2 (both splits), and MUC is 1-3. B-W seventh, Otterbein eighth, and have MUC misses the tourney.

#8/9 tie: (B-W wins to clinch at least seventh.)
8/9a) Ott and MUC win. Tie at 7-11. They split, but Ott just beat Capital for the best win. Ott is eighth, MUC sits it out.
8/9b) Ott and MUC lose. Tie at 6-12. Then:
If they are tied at 6-12, then I think this is the scenario: They split with each other. Both were swept by #1 Capital and #2 'Berg and both split with #3 Wilmington. So it comes down to who wins the #4 seed. If it's Musky, Ott is in (Ott split, Musky swept MU). If ONU claims the #4 seed, then Mount Union is in (MU and ONU would split, ONU swept Ott).

Phew.   ;D  Corrections welcome.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 22, 2008, 03:01:14 pm
I'm just dying to get some of you outsiders to use the term "Otters" when referring to Otterbein (a Capital favorite) and "Flaming Pile" (an OAC football Post-Patterns colloquialism) when referring to BW.

 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 23, 2008, 05:51:21 pm
Well I think Otterbein will need the upset tonight.

Mount Union lost to ONU while I believe that Muskingum feel to Heidelberg in double overtime. B-W won.

So, ONU is in sole possession of 4th place, which means that Mount Union will hold the 6-12 tiebreaker over  Otterbein.  I think they have to pull the upset to get into the tournament as the 8th seed, and earn the right to play Capital again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on February 24, 2008, 12:03:14 am
OTT beat Wilmington the 3 seed, this wednesday. So that means with Mount losing to ONU in OT by 1 today OTT is in regardless of tonites outcome vs. CAP by owning the tie breaker for better win.

So i belive the tourney shapes up like this:

#8 OTT @ #1 CAP
#5 Musky @ #4 ONU

#6 BW @ #3 Wilmington
#7 JCU @ #2 Berg
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2008, 12:50:55 am
OTT beat Wilmington the 3 seed, this wednesday. So that means with Mount losing to ONU in OT by 1 today OTT is in regardless of tonites outcome vs. CAP by owning the tie breaker for better win.

I understand that. But Mount Union also beat Wilmington this season.  Otterbein and Mount Union were both swept by Capital, swept by Heidelberg and split with Wilmington.

ONU secured the #4 seed today by beating Mount Union, but Mount Union won the first contest. ONU swept Otterbein.  Otterbein is done.

And you don't even have to agree with me...you can just check out Capital's web page (http://www.capital.edu/17574/) dedicated to next week's tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2008, 12:52:13 am
Final Scores from the last regular season OAC day:

Capital 87
Otterbein 77

Heidelberg 108
Muskingum 102 (2 OT)

Mount Union 76
Ohio Northern 77 (OT)

John Carroll 84
Wilmington 86

Baldwin-Wallace 86
Marietta 60

Seems like a lot of teams and players came out to play today, with many of them knowing what was on the line.  Mount Union clearly refused to go away quietly; and (now) #5 seed Muskingum sent a pretty good message to #2 Heidelberg that "We can play with you."  Unfortunately, the Muskies came up short and will have to travel on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2008, 01:10:23 am
Final 2007-2008 Regular Season OAC standings:

1. Capital (16-2)
2. Heidelberg (14-4)
3. Wilmington (11-7)
4. Ohio Northern (10-8)
5. Muskingum (9-9)
6. Baldwin-Wallace (8-10)
7. John Carroll (8-10)
8. Mount Union (6-12)
9. Otterbein (6-12)
10. Marietta (2-16)

The tournament pairings look like this:

Wednesday
#8 Mount Union @ #1 Capital
#5 Muskingum @ #4 Ohio Northern

#7 John Carroll @ #2 Heidelberg
#6 Baldwin-Wallace @ #3 Wilmington
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 25, 2008, 12:22:00 am
Looked at the box score (http://www.capital.edu/17760/) for yesterday's Otterbein/Capital game...can anyone explain why Nate Stahl didn't play for Capital?  I'm guessing he was sick?  It would be a blow to Capital if for some reason they are without Stahl for any more games.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 25, 2008, 02:18:20 pm
KB - not sure why he was out either. I was at the game and asked someone from Capital and they said they didnt know either but assumed he was sick. There has been some team sickness going around with CAP for about a month or so starting a couple weeks back when they lost to WILM. It would be a big loss if they had to play without Stahl anymore than this past weekend. Hes the team leader and the best player in the league in my opinion, even though hes not in the  league leaders on the OAC site for any category except 3pt%.  13pts and 5 rbs a game with double teams every night is a great stat line for him considering Capital is such a balanced team.

congrats to Adam Wells from Otterbein for pouring in 36 points on saturday night and hitting 1,000 points on the head.

I Also had a chance to read up on the Musky HEID game, what a finish! Sounded like there was some great basketball in the OAC again this past weekend and not just in Westerville.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: NCAC_alum55 on February 25, 2008, 05:26:51 pm
Was also at the Ott/Cap game on Saturday... hard-fought, great game (as always). Hopefully Stahl will return soon for the Crusaders. They are still a good team without him, but their chances of advancing deep into the NCAA tourney decrease drastically (IMHO) if he is out for some reason. He's the guy who makes that team go.

Again, congrats to Adam Wells on reaching the 1,000 point plateau. Good honor that says a lot about "career consistency", but I'm sure somewhat bittersweet considering the loss to Cap.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on February 26, 2008, 09:11:39 am
I think that there will be a upset in the OAC tourney. Only one of the top two seeds will make it to the OAC championship. If capital has everyone playing they will be in the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2008, 04:08:26 pm
If you're being an over-the-internet fan tonight, Capital's tournament website promises to be one-stop shopping for broadcast and live stats links.

http://www.capital.edu/17574/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2008, 05:57:33 pm
Thanks -- I've added the ones that weren't already on our front page live games box. Looking like a good night for following on the Net.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 27, 2008, 09:51:02 pm
Saw the Cap Mount game tonight, first five minutes of the game Capital looked like the best team in the country, then for the other 35 look content to just win.  Nate Stahl was back in the lineup but a couple Cap's players were still under the weather according to a student sitting in front of me. Game ball goes to Q.Mitchell, two thunderous dunks in traffic late in the game sealed what was a valiant comeback attempt by the raiders. the tourny comes through columbus this weekend. 

ONU at Capital on Friday after ONU put it to Muskie despite Tyler Felt hitting for 26..
game will be at 8pm.

Havent heard about the other two games. should be a fun weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2008, 09:51:29 pm
OAC Quarterfinal Results:

#8 Mount Union 54
#1 Capital  67

#5 Muskingum 67
#4 Ohio Northern 78


#7 John Carroll 74
#2 Heidelberg 104

#6 Baldwin-Wallace 67
#3 Wilmington  59


Pairings for Friday night in Bexley will be:

#6 Baldwin-Wallace vs. #2 Heidelberg
#4 ONU vs. #1 Capital
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2008, 09:58:34 pm
Saw the Cap Mount game tonight, first five minutes of the game Capital looked like the best team in the country, then for the other 35 look content to just win.  Nate Stahl was back in the lineup but a couple Cap's players were still under the weather according to a student sitting in front of me. Game ball goes to Q.Mitchell, two thunderous dunks in traffic late in the game sealed what was a valiant comeback attempt by the raiders. the tourny comes through columbus this weekend. 

ONU at Capital on Friday after ONU put it to Muskie despite Tyler Felt hitting for 26..
game will be at 8pm.

Havent heard about the other two games. should be a fun weekend!


Dynex, while I won't go so far as to say that Capital looked like the best team in the country in the first five minutes, Cap was dominant early- really for the first 10-12 minutes.

Mount Union outplayed Capital in the last few minutes of the first half and then for the first ten minutes of the second, bringing a 15 point halftime lead down to 4 on a couple occasions, but Capital simply had enough talent to spare tonight that it could cruise through to the semifinals.  In particular, Mount Union couldn't accomplish anything offensively in the paint all night, as the Raiders were outmatched by Capital's Gunn, Kyser and others.

Quintin Mitchell is consistently impressive. I think Mitchell is Capital's best pure athlete, and both of the dunks sealed the deal and put the game on ice.  In fact, after those plays (~5 min. left), the overall level of play dropped quite a bit, as even the last few minutes where the starters were still in the game, it felt like garbage time.

Overall, pretty good all around game for Capital, and a solid, hard-fought effort by Mount Union.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2008, 10:05:25 pm
While I do not think all of these wins are from college or D-III coaching, this still deserves a mention here:

Quote from: Baldwin-Wallace MBB website:
Baldwin-Wallace Coach Steve Bankson Wins 700th Career Game as B-W Beats Marietta, 86-60, in Marietta

Bankson Wins His 700th Career Game
BEREA, OHIO --  Junior center Andrew Bene (Hinckley/ Medina Highland) scored 17 points today (Saturday, February 23, 2008) to help Baldwin-Wallace College veteran men’s basketball coach Steve Bankson win his 700th career game as the Yellow Jackets beat Marietta College, 86-60, in an Ohio Athletic Conference game on Fenton Court in the Ban Johnson Arena in Marietta. With the win, Bankson improved to 700-441 in 44 years overall, including 419 victories in 28 seasons at B-W. Bankson is the third winningest men's basketball coach in OAC history.

Congratulations to Coach Bankson!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2008, 11:20:48 pm
Live Stats, Live Video and broadcast links for tomorrow's contests:

http://www.capital.edu/17574/

It should be a great round of OAC games.  I expect both Capital and Heidelberg to be much more challenged than they were with their respective first round opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on February 29, 2008, 04:20:57 pm
Looks like a battle of columbus is a strong chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 29, 2008, 06:45:40 pm
Looks like a battle of columbus is a strong chance.

Huh?  The two teams in the Columbus area from the OAC are Capital and Otterbein.  Cap is the #1 seed and OTT didn't make the OAC tourney.

The other Columbus area schools with D3 athletics are Ohio Wesleyan and Denison (both NCAC teams), and it is a stretch to call them "Columbus area" as OWU in Delaware and Denison in Granville are both 20+ miles outside the metro.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on February 29, 2008, 09:35:49 pm
Is it me or were there more ONU fans at Capital tonight than Capital fans? That's the impression watching the live feed seems to give me.

Maybe not more but it seems pretty close to even at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 29, 2008, 09:44:11 pm
Is it me or were there more ONU fans at Capital tonight than Capital fans? That's the impression watching the live feed seems to give me.

Maybe not more but it seems pretty close to even at least.

Most video feed I've seen have the camera on the home side - i.e., pointed towards the visitors' side.  Or were you basing that on the audio?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on February 29, 2008, 09:45:01 pm
Is it me or were there more ONU fans at Capital tonight than Capital fans? That's the impression watching the live feed seems to give me.

Maybe not more but it seems pretty close to even at least.

Most video feed I've seen have the camera on the home side - i.e., pointed towards the visitors' side.  Or were you basing that on the audio?

The audio. The cheers for ONU seem just as loud usually as the cheers for Capital to me. But that could be because of where the microphones are located.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on February 29, 2008, 09:48:36 pm
Is it me or were there more ONU fans at Capital tonight than Capital fans? That's the impression watching the live feed seems to give me.

Maybe not more but it seems pretty close to even at least.

Could be that Capital was on Spring Break this week, so not a lot of students were on campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 29, 2008, 11:09:54 pm
Is it me or were there more ONU fans at Capital tonight than Capital fans? That's the impression watching the live feed seems to give me.

Maybe not more but it seems pretty close to even at least.

Could be that Capital was on Spring Break this week, so not a lot of students were on campus.

Our spring break at Cap has always sucked, even when I was there in the early 90's.  Such a weird time so early in the spring break season.  Most of the big spring break parties in places like Daytona, etc don't start for another week or so.

Anyway, big win for the Alma Mater tonight.  Much too close for much comfort, but a W is a W.  Here's hoping for back-to-back OAC titles tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 01, 2008, 08:42:58 am
If heidelberg does not win do anyone think that they will get a bid in with Wooster losing?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 01, 2008, 10:33:56 am
If heidelberg does not win do anyone think that they will get a bid in with Wooster losing?

It's a possibility, but I don't know enough about what else is going on around the country to make a real strong prediciton.  You have to remember that pool-C, or "at large bids" are awarded to the strongest teams NATIONWIDE, not just in region.  So Wooster losing is more of an INDIRECT impact on the Berg getting a bid rather than a direct one.

What I do know is that it's historically a crapshoot for a second OAC team to get in.  Cap and JCU both got in last year, but they were regular season Co-champs, not a clear first and second like Cap and H-Berg this year.  There have been several years when a very good second place OAC team was ignored by the selection committee.  A few years ago, the year Otterbein won the National Championship, Capital only lost four games on the season, with three being to Otterbein, they finished 8th in the Nation in the D3hoops.com poll, and they didn't get an at-large.  Of course, there were fewer at-large bids then, but the story just illustrates a point.  The only way you can gurantee a spot in the tourney is to win your way in.  Pat; the owner, operator, and publisher of this site and guru of all things D3; says that all the time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 01, 2008, 12:40:23 pm
My suspicion is that both OAC finalists will make the tournament.  Capital is a better Pool C lock if 'Berg wins tonight, but unless there's a bit spate of upsets all around, I can't see 'Berg not securing a Pool C bid.

There should still be a Pool C bid out there for my Scots...but we're in wait-and-see mode after getting crushed by Wabash.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on March 01, 2008, 09:50:46 pm
Congrats to the Berg on their big win tonight. Berg pushed and hustled their way back into the game which is a testiment of their hard work. Some very questionable calls down the stretch and it appeared that the officials werent going to be outshined tonight. Is it me or are the officials in the OAC just plain bad.. both ways.

Andrew Lemon wanted the win, and he willed his team to it. Coach Sheldon has done a tremous job with that program that used to be the laughing stock of tha oac. not anymore they are NCAA bound.

Ryan Wood had 22 or 24 in the second half after not even attempting a shot in the 1st. If he could put 2 halves together he will be an unbelievable player, which he is already one of the top three or four guards in the league along with nate stahl.

My guess is that these two teams will be playing again with more at stake.

Two teams representing the OAC in this years field of 59. congrats to both Cap and HEID for outstanding years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2008, 11:41:21 am
If heidelberg does not win do anyone think that they will get a bid in with Wooster losing?

It's a possibility, but I don't know enough about what else is going on around the country to make a real strong prediciton.  You have to remember that pool-C, or "at large bids" are awarded to the strongest teams NATIONWIDE, not just in region.  So Wooster losing is more of an INDIRECT impact on the Berg getting a bid rather than a direct one.

What I do know is that it's historically a crapshoot for a second OAC team to get in.  Cap and JCU both got in last year, but they were regular season Co-champs, not a clear first and second like Cap and H-Berg this year.  There have been several years when a very good second place OAC team was ignored by the selection committee.  A few years ago, the year Otterbein won the National Championship, Capital only lost four games on the season, with three being to Otterbein, they finished 8th in the Nation in the D3hoops.com poll, and they didn't get an at-large.  Of course, there were fewer at-large bids then, but the story just illustrates a point.  The only way you can gurantee a spot in the tourney is to win your way in.  Pat; the owner, operator, and publisher of this site and guru of all things D3; says that all the time.

Good news is that there are nearly three times as many Pool C bids as there were then.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 02, 2008, 09:11:39 pm
Congratulations to the Heidelberg Student Princes for clinching the OAC's automatic bid to the NCAA tournament!

Impressively, Heidelberg closed the season with 8 straight wins, including two wins over Capital, at Capital.

d3hoops team thinks that 'Berg might host on the first weekend....we'll know tomorrow.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: NCAC_alum55 on March 03, 2008, 08:39:44 am
Congrats to Coach Sheldon and his staff- they have done a tremendous job over the past several years!! It's always fun to watch a program go through that kind of transformation.



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 03, 2008, 08:59:15 am
Congrats to the Berg on there win.....................
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 03, 2008, 01:11:37 pm
Capital gains a Pool C bid and will host Bethany on Thursday, with the winner to play at Hope, who has a first round bye.

OAC tournament champion Heidelberg will face NCAC tournament champion Ohio Wesleyan at Centre, who plays Franklin in the first round.

Good luck to the OAC representatives!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 03, 2008, 02:32:52 pm
Who is the favor with Heidelberg and Ohio Wes
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2008, 02:34:27 pm
Per the Capital web site (http://www.capital.edu/71/), tickets will be available at the door for Thursday's game vs. Bethany (7:30).  $6 for adults, $3 children, seniors, students.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 03, 2008, 02:38:36 pm
Who is the favor with Heidelberg and Ohio Wes

Whoever has the basketball last, and maybe not until the end of the first or second overtime.  Seriously.

These are two pretty similar teams in style, size and ability- it really should be a fantastic matchup. The key to the game will probably come from the paint: if Lemmon and Schmidt outplay Rudegair and Jean then advantage Heidelberg, or vice versa.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2008, 02:48:04 pm
Who is the favor[ite] with Heidelberg and Ohio Wes[leyan]
Ohio Wesleyan has never lost a game in the NCAA tournament.  That should count for something.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 03, 2008, 04:17:05 pm
Who is the favor[ite] with Heidelberg and Ohio Wes[leyan]
Ohio Wesleyan has never lost a game in the NCAA tournament.  That should count for something.  ;)

I think they have a nice trophy signifying that accomplishment. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 04, 2008, 07:21:43 am
Nice reward to Captal for a great season.  A home game likely followed by a trip to Hope.  Seriously?!?

I know they gacked away the OAC tourney title, but don't they deserve a teeny bit more respect than they got from the committee?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2008, 08:01:48 am
Nice reward to Captal for a great season.  A home game likely followed by a trip to Hope.  Seriously?!?

I know they gacked away the OAC tourney title, but don't they deserve a teeny bit more respect than they got from the committee?

That's life. Capital, like the rest of the OAC, is part of what's considered to be a very tough region. Thus, there's never a year in which OAC representatives have an easy road ... so why pine over something that you're never going to get?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 04, 2008, 09:06:53 am
Maybe if Capital would have not gave away the championship game, they would have been given a little more respect. At least they do have a home game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 04, 2008, 09:16:39 am
Nice reward to Captal for a great season.  A home game likely followed by a trip to Hope.  Seriously?!?

I know they gacked away the OAC tourney title, but don't they deserve a teeny bit more respect than they got from the committee?

That's life. Capital, like the rest of the OAC, is part of what's considered to be a very tough region. Thus, there's never a year in which OAC representatives have an easy road ... so why pine over something that you're never going to get?

Ahh... I guess you're right.  As a Capital alum, I am just disappointed that such a great season may end so soon.  Of course, anything can happen.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 04, 2008, 02:20:13 pm
As a Berg Alum I would like to see them go far. I think it is possible on any given day anybody can win. The only concern I have is that this is foreign territory to them. But anything is possible..
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on March 04, 2008, 02:50:28 pm
Maybe if Capital would have not gave away the championship game, they would have been given a little more respect. At least they do have a home game.

Im not so sure Capital gave away the champsionship game. Heidelberg put together an impressive run and made some tough shots down the stretch. Capital did have the game in control throughout the first half and the first part of the second half. However, when Capital went to their bench on that first rotation and never got the momentum back. I just think Capital and Heidelberg both deserve a little more credit with the way the game ended.

I think that Heidelberg will outrun OWU and then take a shot at Centre who I think the student princes match up well with. They may not have been there before, but you could say that they havent been in the top half of the league before and they did just fine down the stretch in the OAC.

Capital did get rewarded with a home game and then got slapped in the face by playing at #1 team in the country. Interesting move but as someone who has followed Capital Basketball over the years, at least they made the tournament this year at 23-5. Cant say the same for perhaps the second best team in the country back in 2003 when Otterbein rolled through the NCAA by 20pts+ after beating Capital 3 times but a combined total of like 5-6 points.

I still think there is a decent chance Cap and Heid play each other next week...

? - Lets say the OAC pulls off the upsets, where would the sections be held for the hypothetical CAP HEID game? Im not getting ahead of myself by any means just wondering how thats determined. Im not real familiar with how the D3 tourny works.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 04, 2008, 02:55:55 pm
Maybe if Capital would have not gave away the championship game, they would have been given a little more respect. At least they do have a home game.

Im not so sure Capital gave away the champsionship game. Heidelberg put together an impressive run and made some tough shots down the stretch. Capital did have the game in control throughout the first half and the first part of the second half. However, when Capital went to their bench on that first rotation and never got the momentum back. I just think Capital and Heidelberg both deserve a little more credit with the way the game ended.

I think that Heidelberg will outrun OWU and then take a shot at Centre who I think the student princes match up well with. They may not have been there before, but you could say that they havent been in the top half of the league before and they did just fine down the stretch in the OAC.

Capital did get rewarded with a home game and then got slapped in the face by playing at #1 team in the country. Interesting move but as someone who has followed Capital Basketball over the years, at least they made the tournament this year at 23-5. Cant say the same for perhaps the second best team in the country back in 2003 when Otterbein rolled through the NCAA by 20pts+ after beating Capital 3 times but a combined total of like 5-6 points.

I still think there is a decent chance Cap and Heid play each other next week...

? - Lets say the OAC pulls off the upsets, where would the sections be held for the hypothetical CAP HEID game? Im not getting ahead of myself by any means just wondering how thats determined. Im not real familiar with how the D3 tourny works.

If Whitewater were still in the tournament, probably there.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 04, 2008, 04:15:20 pm
Heidelberg was on the top half a little bit last year and died down. The experience of last year is what help them this year. I hope you are right and they will be just fine. But it's nothing like experience and being there before.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 04, 2008, 09:28:42 pm
Privacy,

Interesting tidbits here, for you, Heidleberg alum.

Princes' head BB coach Duane Sheldon is my High School Football Coach's son in law.  I grew up outside of Alliance, went to Beloit West Branch H.S., where my Dad was the A.D.  Our head football coach there for years, and the guy who gave my dad his first coaching job was Jim Laut, who came from to my HS in the late 60's from BW a few years ahead of my Dad.  Jim's Daughter is Laura, who met Duane in College at BW and is now his wife.

To further this small world story, the guy Duane replaced as AD, Jerry McDonald, was in my uncle's wedding.  My mom's brother was a teacher and a coach at Mansfield Madison with McDonald (and, coincidentally, Jim Shambre, Sr., whose son was an All-OAC LB at the Berg in my playing days at Capital in the early-mid 90's).

Small world, huh?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 05, 2008, 09:13:47 am
Nice food for thought! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 05, 2008, 04:48:50 pm
The OAC has announced its All Conference selections:

2008 All-OAC Teams
First Team
Nate Stahl, Capital
Andrew Lemmon, Heidelberg
Brandon Todd, Muskingum
Ross Banazak, Otterbein
Brandon Rogers, Wilmington
Terry Walsh, John Carroll

Mike Gregory/OAC Player of the Year - Nate Stahl, Capital
OAC Coach of the Year - Damon Goodwin - Capital

Second Team
Chad Szalay, Heidelberg
Steve Kyser, Capital
Brandon Schuler, Baldwin-Wallace
Kyle Gehle, Ohio Northern
Ryan Wood, Capital
Tyler Felt, Muskingum

Honorable Mention
Brian Schmidt, Heidelberg
Chris Switzer, Mount Union
Kyle Brown, Baldwin-Wallace
Adam Wells, Otterbein
Adam Rockhold, Marietta
Fred Harrison, Wilmington
Isiah Creasap, Marietta
Kyle Meyer, Ohio Northern
Jake Cannan, Ohio Northern
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 06, 2008, 09:05:30 am
Is anyone surprise that Sheldon did not get coach of the year?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 06, 2008, 11:04:55 am
I am, a little.  I'm excited Coach Goodwin got it, but given where the Berg was expected to finish and where they did, one would think Coach Sheldon would have been summarily rewarded.  God knows the football COY voters have done that several times...look at your own new football coach (Mike Hallett) last year for proof.

I guess the vote came down to that vs. the team that was expected to be #1 doing so in a relatively dominating fashion.  Going through the first half of the OAC schedule undefeated is a tought task and, in my mind, probably sealed the deal for Damon.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2008, 11:46:40 am
I am, a little.  I'm excited Coach Goodwin got it, but given where the Berg was expected to finish and where they did, one would think Coach Sheldon would have been summarily rewarded.  God knows the football COY voters have done that several times...look at your own new football coach (Mike Hallett) last year for proof.

I guess the vote came down to that vs. the team that was expected to be #1 doing so in a relatively dominating fashion.  Going through the first half of the OAC schedule undefeated is a tought task and, in my mind, probably sealed the deal for Damon.

Not sure what you're trying to say there, JK.  Heidelberg was the coaches' pre-season pick (http://www.oac.org/documents/2007Basketballpoll.pdf) for #2 in the conference, and they finished #2 in the conference.  The voting may, or may not have been completed before Heidelberg won the OAC tournament title.

If you want a team that exceeded expectations, my vote would have been for Coach K.C. Hunt and the Wilmington Quakers, who were picked seventh in the pre-season poll, but finished third and beat both Heidelberg and Capital in the regular season.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 06, 2008, 01:59:29 pm
KB,

You're right.  For some reason I thought the Berg was picked lower in the preseason. 

I would have to agree with you on the Wilma coach.  Good Call.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2008, 01:59:55 pm
Link for live audio and live video of tonight's Bethany vs. Capital game:

http://www.capital.edu/166/

(Edit: Or just link to it or any of the other contests via the front page.  Gotta love D-III hoops!)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2008, 02:01:16 pm
KB,

You're right.  For some reason I thought the Berg was picked lower in the preseason. 

I would have to agree with you on the Wilma coach.  Good Call.

I still won't argue with Goodwin as Coach of the Year, though, as Capital put together an impressive OAC resume.  You can't really argue with success, and there is something to say for being able to meet some pretty high expectations.

Now we'll just see what Cap and 'Berg can accomplish in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2008, 09:13:54 pm
Final: Capital 92, Bethany 70

Capital advances to the second round, where it will face Hope College in Holland, Mich.

Good luck to the Crusaders against the Dutchmen!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 07, 2008, 07:17:51 am
Anyone planning to travel to Danville (Centre College) for the games: I just watched a couple of Lexington channels' weather predictions and it's not good.

The last weatherman pointed to an area which included Danville and said 6-10", "the worst snowfall in a decade."  By noon today they are predicting heavy snow and 32 degrees, with temperatures dropping.  They also reported that roads are not being pre-treated because it's going to rain first and this would just wash it away.

Personally, I'd like to see as many people as possible in Danville (school pride and all) but I thought it fair to warn everybody that Kentucky's not used to this type of weather and the people aren't used to driving in it.  Expect chaos and closed roads.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 07, 2008, 06:57:59 pm
It's not looking good for Heidelberg against OWU- 53-36 OWU leads with ~14 minutes to go.

Hard for me to decide who to root for in this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 08, 2008, 08:34:45 pm
Great season by Cap looks like it has come to an end... Hope up 20 with under 2 to play.

Great job, Crusaders.  Look forward to more next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on March 08, 2008, 08:56:49 pm
Hats off, kudos, and whatever other praise to Nate Stahl.  He was heartbroken at the end, but he played his heart out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 10, 2008, 08:58:34 am
Congrats to Heidelberg season but the question now is will this be the start of something or a one year wonder? The berg is losing alot key players.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 10, 2008, 01:31:18 pm
And Capital has a lot coming back.  My guess is despite losing Kyser and Gunn, they will still be next year's preseason OAC #1.  Stahl (of course) and Wood might challenge each other for POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: NW Hope Fan on March 16, 2008, 11:20:29 pm
Anyone know if there are MIAA/OAC games scheduled next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 01:32:43 pm
Feature on the front page of interest to Final Four participants and fans here.

Faces of a champion (http://www.d3hoops.com/features/index.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on March 19, 2008, 04:02:25 pm
Big news out of the OAC today:

http://www.bw.edu/athletics/mbb/info/bankson/banksonretirementrelease/ (http://www.bw.edu/athletics/mbb/info/bankson/banksonretirementrelease/)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on March 20, 2008, 12:23:48 am
Congratulations to Coach Steve Bankson of Baldwin Wallace College on his retirement from coaching and athletic director duties at BW.  Coach Bankson has had an illustrious career and his accomplishments are many. He has had some great teams and great players over the years and his teams always played with passion and heart which is a reflection of their coach. He has always conducted himself with the utmost class and the OAC is losing one of its best.  It has been truly a pleasure to watch his teams perform through the years. Best of luck in the future to Coach Bankson.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 21, 2008, 11:15:04 pm
Had this happened a few years ago, it's likely BW could have gotten Duane Sheldon.  Now I find it highly unlikely that he would leave the Berg.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on March 22, 2008, 04:56:52 pm
JK,  now that you have mentioned Duane Sheldon, who else might be a viable candidate for the BW job opening. Does anyone out there know the process that BW will take in looking for their new coach. It has to be a desirable job for many prospective coaches.  Coach Sheldon would certainly be a candidate if he wants it. He is a BW grad and also was an assistant coach there before taking the Berg job.  Would be a good time for him to leave with all the players that are about to leave the Berg this year.  He is from the BW area with a lot of contacts. He has done a nice job with the Student Princes.  Anyone else have thoughts about possibilities??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 22, 2008, 10:33:52 pm
I don't think Duane is leaving the Berg because he is now the AD to go along with being the BB coach.  Plus his middle child has some health issues, and it's hard to leave a doctor and go find a new one in a situation like that.

I don't know who else might be a viable candidate for that job.  They have had some success through the years, so you might think they could promote from within and try to continue what they have built.  No need to blow everything up and start over when things are working.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 24, 2008, 04:18:54 pm
Sheldon may leave since he visits that area so I do not think a doctor will have anything to do with the decision. It may be ten times as easier to get recruits to go to bw instead of heidelberg. Which means more successful seasons on a regular basis and not once every four to five years.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on April 16, 2008, 09:11:31 am
Any word out there on the progress of choosing a coach for the BW Yellow Jackets?  It seems to be taking a long time. How will this affect their recruiting process? Any names being thrown around for the job? Front-runners? ??? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on April 26, 2008, 05:17:19 pm
Just wanted to announce that the JCU Pep Band got some national press on their trip to Salem for the DIII Championship.  NCAA Champion Magazine did a feature on our group.

http://www.ncaachampionmagazine.org/Championship%20Magazine/ChampionMagazineStory/futurearticletemplate/tabid/78/articleType/ArticleView/articleID/92/Default.aspx

(if that doesn't work, go to www.ncaachampionmagazine.org and search for John Carroll.)

p.s.  Stevens Point fans:  Please excuse the typo that says that JCU won the national titile in 2004.  They certainly didn't get that from my part of the interview...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on May 20, 2008, 12:07:39 pm
Tommorow at 2pm BW will announce their new head basketball coach... Duane Sheldon. It appears the fighting student princes will be a one hit wonder after all. Losing there coach, 3 starters and their top bench player cant bode well for them. You also have to wonder what this does for recruiting? Some of the guys they have will probably leave and with no coach for the time being how many guys can they get?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on May 27, 2008, 03:55:39 pm
I said it all along that Duane would leave. The Berg would have been a one hit wonder regardless if he would have stayed or left. Not to many people can build there own strong program. It is easier to go to one already built than stay and build one yourself. As far as recruiting not much was coming in anyway so either way Heidelberg was going to be hurting. One good season does not mean the program was a success.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on July 02, 2008, 01:37:58 pm
Great pick up by Heidelberg. If he stays there for a long tenure Heidelberg will be in good hands. This might be the best hiring since John Hill coach at the BERG.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopscoach on August 11, 2008, 05:14:28 pm
What does the incoming freshman classes look like for the OAC teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on August 30, 2008, 11:14:06 pm
Kyle Pottkotter is the new men's assistant coach (http://www.otterbein.edu/athletics/Mbasketball/mbasketball.htm) at Otterbein.  Kyle has been an NCAC man since he left high school, graduating from Denison in 1999 and coaching first at Wooster and then, for the past 6 seasons, at his alma mater.  As he has pointed out, he'll become one of the few assistant coaches in the NCAA to work with two 575+ victory head coaches (Steve Moore, Dick Reynolds.)  Please join me in welcoming Kyle to the OAC and wishing him well in Westerville.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on September 08, 2008, 01:25:46 pm
Congrats to Coach Pottkotter....... Now lets hear about the incoming freshmen and can they help OC return to the top of the ever strong OAC.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on September 20, 2008, 07:55:11 pm
Coaching carousel:
Congratulations and best wishes to Anthony, Chad, and Scott on their new assignments.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopscoach on November 11, 2008, 09:51:03 pm
Pre-season coaches poll:
1. Capital (9) 81
2. Ohio Northern (1) 71
3. Wilmington 57
4. John Carroll 54
5. Muskingum 50
6. Baldwin-Wallace 44
7. Heidelberg 28
8. Mount Union 27
9. Otterbein 23
10. Marietta 15
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on November 25, 2008, 10:52:49 pm
 
   Just took a look at the preseason poll...I agree with Cap being the odds on pre season favorite,, but I can't see a dime's worth of difference between 2 through 6. Bet we have another wild  season of "can't believe they lost that one" and "they looked so good Wednesday night what the heck happened Saturday.....Can't wait for another entertainig year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 04, 2008, 09:05:59 pm
Caught the ONU/WITTENBERG contest on Wednesday....The Tigers were outplayed at both ends of the court. Northern played sticky defense and their offense was clicking most of the night. The bears got 16 points apiece from Kyle Meyer, Sam Bastian and Ezra Bradshaw with Curtis Brown knocking down 18. Don't know much about the Tigers, but those guys shot the eyes out of the basket from the charity stripe. Must have been  in the 90 percent vicinity,but other than that, they appeared out of sync the entire game and never really got anything going at either end of the court. If they play the rest of the season the way they played last night it is going to be a long year for the Tigers. They look like a .500 team at best. Maybe a rebuilding year? They do appear to have several big men on the team as Freshman. Time will tell....So far ONU is playing .. well together, something they had difficulty doing last year. Lookout Cap, I think the Bears are going to be a force to be dealt with this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 05, 2008, 12:04:31 pm
onefan,

Your assessment of Witt seems to be pretty accurate.  Witt is very young this year and definitely appears to be headed towards what would be an uncharacteristic rebuilding year.  Of the 14 players listed on Witt's roster, there is only 1 senior and 2 juniors.  Witt has also had to deal with the loss of 2 seniors for the season to injuries including Greg Hill who is by far Witt's best returning player.  It will be interesting to see how quickly the underclassmen for Witt can develop.  If they don't start to get things together, I would agree with you that Witt will struggle to finish above .500 this year.

Wooster is in a similar situation relying heavily on younger players to contribute early in the season and they have had to open the season without their best returning player in Brandon Johnson.  The difference for Wooster is, Johnson is set to return for Wooster's annual holiday tournament at the end of this month which should give the Scots quite a boost as they gear up for conference play.

Overall, the GL Region as a whole seems to be a bit down.  Cap and CMU are the only teams from the region in this week's d3hoops top 25.  I can't remember a time when so few teams from this region were ranked.  Should be a fun season to see which teams emerge out of the GL Region, if any, as possible  contenders to make it to Salem...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxamillion3030 on December 10, 2008, 08:19:00 pm
Watch out for Ohio Northern. They have all of the tools to hang with Capital- Interior presence, great perimeter defense and probably the best overall sophomore in the league in Sam Bastian. The kid can play- a wing or post player with the mind of a point or shooting guard. What a talent!Can play inside or out and can guard anybody on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 12, 2008, 11:16:59 am
Pre-season coaches poll:
1. Capital (9) 81
3. Wilmington 57

Well these two just met for their first regular season meeting and the coaches poll almost predicted the margin of victory...for the Quakers.

82-53 Wilmington over Capital, handing the Crusaders their first loss of the year, and giving the Quakers their first conference win after falling to 'Berg in OT earlier in the week.  From the box score (http://www2.wilmington.edu/campusuite/stats/results-081211-grpID-31-calID-2672.HTM) it looks like Wilmington ran away with this one thanks to great shooting (54% for the game) and Capital never could find the range, shooting a nearly identical 32% in each half.

Wilmington coach KC Hunt called it a total team effort.  Read the recap (http://www2.wilmington.edu/mens-basketball/news.cfm?news_id=10143&archive=no) here.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 14, 2008, 03:53:20 pm
 Ohio Northern knocked off Baldwin Wallace on Saturday afternoon to up it's OAC record to 2-0. They had four players in double figures and are playing good heads up basketball. They didn't shoot the ball all that well, but they  in control at both ends of the court. This team is interesting to watch because they really don't have a marquis player, but have seven to eight very good bastketball players that work  well and very unselfishly together. Their guards have the ability to penetrate and score or dish off to an open teammate. They have  good size inside and experience. In addition, due to their depth, frequent substitutions keeps everyone fresh and so far has kept them out of foul trouble. This is going to be a team to watch and enjoy.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 21, 2008, 02:09:15 pm
Four games in to the OAC schedule I think the team to watch is Ohio Northern. They seem to have slipped in under the radar nationally, but they have a very nice team. Well balanced....two big men underneath in Cannon and Meyer that are getting it done at both ends of the court....a good ball handling penetrating guard in Bradshaw along with Bastian and Brown. In addition they have a deep bench which they have not had in recent years.They typically have four to five players in double figures and are playing their normal good "D".  Can't speak to Cap's chances  but the Wilmington loss has to make you wonder about just how strong they really are. I expect to see the Bears appear in the polls in the very near future.... This team has the opportunity to go far this year if they stay healthy.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 28, 2008, 08:46:25 pm
This CCIW fan appreciates the Otterbein campus station, WOBN, broadcasting the championship game of the Smokey Ballenger Classic, even though the host school isn't playing in the game.  Nice to listen to a game on a Sunday night with not much else going on.

Also, nice job by the broadcasters.  It's rare (and refreshing) to hear a completely neutral broadcast at the D3 level.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 29, 2008, 11:42:21 am
ONU continues to quietly pile up the W's winning in San Diego on Sunday night by ten over Linfield 67-57. I am telling ya, these guys are good, and have yet to appear on the D3 Hoops poll. In my opinion, this team is the best ONU has had  since Coach Coleman took the reins from Joe Campoli. Barring injuries, they will be going places....As an aside, is anybody visiting OAC sight???? It is eerily quiet this year....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 29, 2008, 02:44:00 pm
As an aside, is anybody visiting OAC sight???? It is eerily quiet this year....
As opposed to other years?  ;)

This room has always been comparatively quiet and I've always been surprised there aren't more OAC supporters in here.  I guess most OAC fans don't realize that there are other sports in the OAC other than just football...  :P

Thanks onefan for you ONU updates.  At least one OAC team has some representation.  JCU had Toph, but he's been MIA for quite some time.  And I think kiltedbryan (a Wooster supporter) gives more info on the C'bus area teams than any actual supporters of said C'bus teams. 

Really, all you have to do is just go to the OAC page in Post Patterns and that will tell you all you need to know about where other sports outside of football fall in the hearts of most OAC supporters...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 29, 2008, 03:43:14 pm
As an aside, is anybody visiting OAC sight???? It is eerily quiet this year....
As opposed to other years?  ;)

This room has always been comparatively quiet and I've always been surprised there aren't more OAC supporters in here.  I guess most OAC fans don't realize that there are other sports in the OAC other than just football...  :P

Thanks onefan for you ONU updates.  At least one OAC team has some representation.  JCU had Toph, but he's been MIA for quite some time.  And I think kiltedbryan (a Wooster supporter) gives more info on the C'bus area teams than any actual supporters of said C'bus teams. 

Really, all you have to do is just go to the OAC page in Post Patterns and that will tell you all you need to know about where other sports outside of football fall in the hearts of most OAC supporters...

Mount Union football may cast a long shadow, but it doesn't explain why nobody posts in this room.

The perennial silence here is truly bizarre. Why? Because the OAC has a longstanding tradition as a power conference in D3 men's basketball. It's one of only two leagues, for instance, that can claim D3 championships won by teams from three different league members (although one of the victorious members, Wittenberg, subsequently left the OAC), the WIAC being the other one. The OAC's tourney representatives in March are respected by everyone as a matter of course, whether the team or teams really deserve it or not, because the OAC not only has a reputation for playing basketball at a high level, it has an even greater reputation for overall league balance.

This is really a terrific D3 men's basketball league, and the fact that it has next to no participation by its fans in this room (or on the men's basketball side of this site in general) just baffles me.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 29, 2008, 03:53:34 pm
It all went downhill in here when BustaRyhmes graduated.

If you remember that guy, pat yourself on the back, you've been here awhile. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bufordscot on December 29, 2008, 03:55:55 pm
Might have something to do with most NAC schools having d3hoops.com links and most OAC schools not having links. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 30, 2008, 11:09:39 am
I was reading the Rep when I was home over the holidays and I have to say in all honesty that when I saw MUC's record (8-1 at that point) I immediately jumped online because I thought "that has to be a misprint."  Has anyone seen them play?  From what I could piece together from stats, roster, etc. it looks like they play a lot of kids under 6'4".  Just curious if anyone had seen them this year.

   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 30, 2008, 12:15:40 pm
And I think kiltedbryan (a Wooster supporter) gives more info on the C'bus area teams than any actual supporters of said C'bus teams. 


And even I can barely fulfill this "duty" anymore because I don't live in Ohio any more, so I haven't been able to see Capital or Otterbein this year (and probably won't have a chance).  It's really too bad, because there's a lot of quality basketball played in this league.  I wish we had more input all around.  Even the NCAC room seems quiet this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 30, 2008, 12:47:57 pm
I wish we had more input all around.  Even the NCAC room seems quiet this year...
I guess that's what a 3-6 Wittenberg and a 6-4 Wooster will do for ya...  :-\

I was reading the Rep when I was home over the holidays and I have to say in all honesty that when I saw MUC's record (8-1 at that point) I immediately jumped online because I thought "that has to be a misprint."  Has anyone seen them play?  From what I could piece together from stats, roster, etc. it looks like they play a lot of kids under 6'4".  Just curious if anyone had seen them this year.

   
Drac,

I'm going to be at the MUC/Wooster game tonight.  I really don't know how to gauge MUC at this point of the season.  I didn't catch any of their game last night, but they did show some grit in fighting back to win that game.  They were down 6 or 8 with just eight minutes remaining and fought back for the W. 

But, looking at their schedule, they haven't really posted any quality wins.  In most years, wins over B-W and Ott would be considered quality wins but both programs are decidedly  down this year. 

I think tonight's game with Wooster should really help define how just how good MUC really is.  Don't let Wooster's 6-4 record fool you into thinking they are down.  Two of their losses are single digit losses to #1 ranked UW-Platteville and at nationally ranked Carnegie Mellon as well as another loss which was respectable showing at Hawaii-Hilo which is an NCAA Div. II scholarship program.  If MUC were to win tonight at Wooster, I think they would finally have the quality win they've been missing and should start to garner some national attention...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 30, 2008, 01:26:14 pm
I agree regarding MUC's schedule thus far.  Tonight will be a good barometer to see where they are.  And following Wooster up with JCU and Cap will definitely bring the picture into focus.  I look forward to hearing your thoughts after the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 31, 2008, 03:30:07 pm
Wooster took care of MUC last night 80-61.  It looks like it was a 4 point game with around 5 min left, but the Scots did what good teams do and closed it out strong.  I am interested to hear what ScotsFan thought, but I guess I would be lying if I said I was surprised by the outcome.  Honestly I was a little surprised it was that close that late in the game, but my expectations are based on history rather than the current rosters. 

Everyone have a safe and enjoyable new year.       
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 31, 2008, 04:58:47 pm
Wooster took care of MUC last night 80-61.  It looks like it was a 4 point game with around 5 min left, but the Scots did what good teams do and closed it out strong.  I am interested to hear what ScotsFan thought, but I guess I would be lying if I said I was surprised by the outcome.  Honestly I was a little surprised it was that close that late in the game, but my expectations are based on history rather than the current rosters. 

Everyone have a safe and enjoyable new year.       
I think this was clearly one of MUC's best teams in recent memory.  They definitely have some good shooters and I think they could be a factor in the OAC race.  I really thought Pellerite was a nice player although he lost his cool at the end of the game and he seemed to be in denial after every call that went against him which was quite annoying.  MUC's other two starting guards had nice games as well and both have nice touches with their mid-range jumpers.  And I really didn't get to see what Switzer is truly capable up as Wooster's Ian Franks put the clamps down on him defensively which I felt was a big key to Wooster's win.

As far as last night's game goes, I along with wooscotsfan wrote up our thoughts on the game over on the NCAC page.  I really think the difference of the game came from the play of Wooster's perimeter defense and namely Franks holding Switzer to just 6 points and only one trey.  I had a feeling that Wooster's defense would cause MUC problems but I really didn't see Wooster holding MUC to just 16% from beyond the arc.

Wooster had their chances to blow the game open, but they just couldn't put MUC away.  They built a lead of 12 points in the first half and then proceeded to not score for over 5 minutes to let MUC cut the lead to 2 before settling on a 4 point halftime lead. 

In the 2nd half, Wooster just wore MUC down with their depth more than anything IMO.  It was nice to see Wooster finally finish a game strong down the stretch.  Earlier in the year, they blew an 11 point lead in the final five minutes to Albion before winning in OT.  And the other night, they were up 20 on Thiel and let them cut the lead down to 13 by missing 3 consecutive front ends of one & ones.  Last night, Wooster only had one miss from the line thanks in large part to Franks' 13-13 performance from the charity stripe.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 05, 2009, 07:55:13 pm
ScotsFan, thanks for pointing me to the write ups.  You (and wooscotsfan) did I good job.  Much appreciated.

ONU continues to cruise as they drummed the Bein 82-61 over the weekend.  ONU has a big week hosting Wilm Wed and going to Cap on Sat.  OC is now 1-4 in the conference.  Not sure what's going on there, but my planned trip to Westerville this week to watch BW/Ott may be tabled given their combined 1 conference win to date.  Ouch.  Maybe I'll go to Bexley Sat instead.

MUC dropped one in OT at JCU.  I saw former Iggy QB Rudy Kirbus dropped in 23 for the Streaks. 

Wilmington beat Musky to stay in 2nd.  Musky must to tough because they're 2-3, but their 3 losses have been to Cap, Wilm and JCU by a total of 18 points.  Definitely no pushovers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 05, 2009, 11:08:59 pm
OC is now 1-4 in the conference.  Not sure what's going on there, but my planned trip to Westerville this week to watch BW/Ott may be tabled given their combined 1 conference win to date.  Ouch.  Maybe I'll go to Bexley Sat instead.

Definitely go to Bexley!  Then you can give us a heads up on both Cap and ONU!  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 06, 2009, 09:43:08 am
I'm planning on it.  I've never seen a game at the Capital Center, so I wanted to do that at some point anyway. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 07, 2009, 04:55:37 pm
I'm planning on it.  I've never seen a game at the Capital Center, so I wanted to do that at some point anyway. 

I can recommend the Capital Center to you.  It's a nice facility, though in my experience never quite as full as you'd hope it'd be, given the recent quality of the Crusaders.  You'll definitely be seeing the better game by watching ONU-CAP and skipping BW-OC, both of whom are probably exactly as good as their records indicate.  Traditionally strong programs, but not in the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 08, 2009, 07:31:42 pm
MUC has really fallen on hard times of late!  Last night they dropped their 3rd straight after winning 9 out of their first 10 games.  And that number will, in all liklihood run to at least 4 as the Purple Raiders have to travel to Wilmington on Saturday.  And all the Quakers have done is quietly postitioned themselves in a tie with Cap and ONU atop the OAC after knocking off the Polar Bears in Ada last night.

One question I have is how did Wilmington lose to Heide???  ???  The Quakers would be alone in first place if it wasn't for that loss...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 10, 2009, 12:50:45 am
MUC has really fallen on hard times of late!  Last night they dropped their 3rd straight after winning 9 out of their first 10 games.  And that number will, in all liklihood run to at least 4 as the Purple Raiders have to travel to Wilmington on Saturday.  And all the Quakers have done is quietly postitioned themselves in a tie with Cap and ONU atop the OAC after knocking off the Polar Bears in Ada last night.

One question I have is how did Wilmington lose to Heide???  ???  The Quakers would be alone in first place if it wasn't for that loss...

Hard times? Or just better opponents?  The best teams the played in that 9-1 start were probably Hiram, Muskingum (loss) and Kean.  Every team they've played since then has been better (Wooster, JCU and Capital).

I watched MUC play both games at the Mose Hole Tourney at Wooster and was unimpressed the first night (too disorganized, too many turnovers) and more impressed the second night.  But overall I came away feeling that they're middle of the road in the OAC, and their early schedule through the league bears this out, with wins against (this year's) weak B-W, Ott and H-Berg squads and losses to Musky, JCU and Cap, who are all probably middle to top in this league this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 10, 2009, 10:29:14 am
Hard times? Or just better opponents?  The best teams the played in that 9-1 start were probably Hiram, Muskingum (loss) and Kean.  Every team they've played since then has been better (Wooster, JCU and Capital).

I watched MUC play both games at the Mose Hole Tourney at Wooster and was unimpressed the first night (too disorganized, too many turnovers) and more impressed the second night.  But overall I came away feeling that they're middle of the road in the OAC, and their early schedule through the league bears this out, with wins against (this year's) weak B-W, Ott and H-Berg squads and losses to Musky, JCU and Cap, who are all probably middle to top in this league this year.
Yeah.  I agree with your assessment of MUC overall.  I guess I was just trying to be nice.   ;)

I touched on the weakness of MUC's schedule before they played Wooster noting that they really didn't have a win over a quality opponent over the span of their 9-1 start.  I wasn't sold on them being a challenger for the OAC before their game with Wooster and seeing their subsequent losses to Cap and JCU, it sort of confirms my thoughts that MUC wasn't really a serious challenger to win the OAC. 

Although, with some of the shooters they have, they are certainly more than capable of knocking off any of the upper tier teams from the OAC if they get hot.  Overall, though, I don't see them finishing any higher than 4th
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: oacplayer on January 12, 2009, 09:14:55 pm
Wilmington has first place in the oac because of their victory against capital at home and their 6-1 start. Wilmington has the deepest roster if u look at the minutes played by starters. I believe this really gives them a advantage in a tough long season. The problem with wilmington is that they suffer from sluggish starts and lack the killer instinct at time. Capital is dying for them to come back to columbus to make up for the beating the quakers gave them in Wilmington. Oac has great coaches who do a good job preparing for rematches and it is very tough to beat good teams twice with that said the standings will change alot.

I still think wilmington has the best team and their uptempo style of play has caused a lot of trouble thus far but we will see if they have what it takes to continue their edge

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 17, 2009, 02:50:15 pm
Oh how my outlook has changed...

My Raiders were off to a solid start and looked to be capable of playing with everyone in the OAC.  After recent losses to Cap and Wilm I still wasn't totally discouraged given those teams quality this year.  But losing to Etta at home?  And doing so 3 days before hitting the road to Ada today?  Basically I looked at the remaining schedule and I think .500 would be a good finish for them at this point.  So basically, the same as every other year.  The good news is I'm only a couple months away from talking myself into the baseball team being better this year.  I love early season optimism.         
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 17, 2009, 03:02:48 pm
At the half...JCU 45, Wilm 25.  Looks like the Quakers have dug themselves quite a hole.

p.s. That Sidearm Stats thing that JCU uses is cool.  Better than the Presto thing some of the OAC schools use. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: oacplayer on January 17, 2009, 05:45:22 pm
JCU destroyed Wilmington today. Wilmington really miss the presents of their all conference player Brandon Rogers. They game was over when it started JCU jump out to a 17-0 run to win the game and wilmington never threatended to comeback. I guess its back to the drawing board for Wilmington. JCU is really playing really good ball right now
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 18, 2009, 01:24:36 pm
Yeah, you fall down 17-0 and you're going to have trouble beating anyone, let alone a good squad like JCU.

Really no upsets in the OAC yesterday in my mind.  I was surprised by the score of the JCU/Wilm game, but other than that the only one I found mildly surprising was Etta beating BW.  Of course, that's probably fueled by me thinking by default that BW is decent (which apparently they aren't this year). 

Wow, is Bein bad this year.  What's going on there?  Have they had injuries?  Are they just young?  No talent?  Every time I look at the OAC standings I can't help but shake my head at that.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 19, 2009, 05:25:52 pm
Dr. A,

In answer to your question regarding Otterbein, the answer is yes they are relatively young, and yes they are not very talented. Looks like a tough couple of years lie ahead for the Cardinals. Cap keeps rolling along, but i still can't get by the buttwhipping they took at the hands of Wilmington. I realize Wilmington had one of those  hot nights of shooting, but where was the Cap defense? I think they are of course one of the top two or three teams in the OAC, but I think their number 8 ranking nationally is a bit charitable. Time will tell. As to the OAC race, Wilmington took a major hit with Rogers out for what I have heard is for the season. The race would appear to be between Cap, John Carroll and ONU. No bets on who comes out on top, any of the three could beat the other on any given day in my opinion. Cap beat ONU in overtime and Northern slipped by John Carroll at home. John Carroll has seemed to pick up the pace lately and the John Carroll/ Cap match up will be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 19, 2009, 06:41:18 pm
Thanks for the OC info onefan.  I guess I'm living in the past, but I just always expect the Cards to be tough.  Hopefully they get it back on track. 

The only time I saw Cap was the game at BW on STO a few weeks ago.  I believe it went to OT and to be honest I wasn't overly impressed by Cap.  Obviously that's only one game and they did still win on the road, so I'm not saying they're not a top OAC team or anything.  I guess I was just expecting more given what I had heard.

If Rogers is out for the season that is a huge blow to the Quakers.  He's a very nice player.  Hopefully the depth that oacplayer mentioned allows them to still make a run in the end.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 22, 2009, 12:57:03 am
I've become more of a lurker this season as Heidelberg has been struggling through the first time through the OAC. However, I have to comment on a very interesting series of events that happened tonite in Berea during the BW and Berg game. As we all know Duane Sheldon left Tiffin to return to his alma mater at BW this summer and this was the first meeting between the two schools. At around the 13min mark of the second half with BW ahead by 11 Heidelberg's new head coach, Anthony Gholson, was given his 1st and 2nd technical foul in 1 minutes span and ejected from the game. At that point Sheldon's former player and only assistant remaining from last seasons staff, Ron Higgins, took over. Heidelberg managed to comeback from the deficit and send the game into overtime where they eventaully won despite their top two guards and their coach "fouling out". I thought this was an interesting story or maybe I'm just trying to find a positive in a rough season. Either way congrats to the Berg' on a great win tonite!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 23, 2009, 09:03:43 pm
Gotta know what brought on the Gholson double T's...Rare in the OAC and having watched Tony as an assistant at ONU and observing his demeanor over the years, I would like to know what you think caused the double T's and ejection....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 24, 2009, 01:47:23 am
As you may or may not know the stands at BW are very far away from the floor so there was no way to hear what he was saying. Especially from where I was sitting. However from my observation it seemed as if the first one was accessed rather quickly and without warning. The second one may have been deserved. Anthony continualy hounded the officials and ignored the pleas of his assistants who were trying to restrain him. At one point the ball rolled over to him and he threw it toward an official but in a manner that it was impossible for him to catch and the ball rolled away. Shortly after that a magic word was said and that was that. I forgot to mention that Heidelberg is the only school in the OAC with no Full Time assistants. It was two GA's (Ron and Brian Alge who i believe played at Capital a few years ago) and a volunteer assistant leading the Berg in the final 13 mins and overtime!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 24, 2009, 05:23:44 pm
Well, the big news so far today is that Etta knocked off ONU in Ada 69-67.  The Pios broke a 67 all tie w/ 22 seconds left and held on.  It was 65-64 w/ 5:30 left, so it sounds like neither team was executing well down the stretch.  Other than that everything else went pretty much as expected:

Cap and JCU cruised to easy wins over BW and Bein, respectively.

And the Fightin' Fish went up to Alliance and beat MUC 78-62.  I will now revise my previous post from saying a .500 season would be a good finish to now saying that a .500 season will be a minor miracle.  They have some winnable games left, but at 3-7 it's going to be next to impossible.

No word on Wilm/Berg.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 24, 2009, 07:56:24 pm
B23...Thanks for the word on Tony G's ousting at BW. It is appreciated.....Took in the ONU/Marietta game today. Got to hand it to the Pioneers,they  shut down much of ONU"s guard penetration and when the Bears managed to get inside they had numerous shots swatted away or just outright blocked. The pioneers hit the boards hard and outrebounded ONU significantly in the first half. Overall the offensive and defensive rebounds were abot even but Northern is usually on top in that category due to their size advantage, but not today. This is a real setback for the Bears with Cap cruising and John Carroll and Wilmington taking care of business. Three losses is probably not going to get a sniff of the regular season title. Oh well, ther's always the OAC tournament.....And there 'sstill alot of basketball left to watch....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 28, 2009, 10:12:43 am
I don't expect that many, if any, of tonight's scheduled games will take place.  So far the JCU/Muskingum games (men at New Concord, women at University Hts.) have been postponed until tomorrow.  Stay tuned to OAC.org (http://www.oac.org/) for more updates.

UPDATE:
All men's and women's games scheduled for tonight have been postponed until Thursday, same bat-time, same bat-channel. (http://www.oac.org/)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on January 29, 2009, 01:13:16 pm
That's funny a head coach out coached by a grad student. BW might be in a long tenure with Sheldon there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 29, 2009, 09:26:56 pm
Capital 74 Wilmington 71

with JCU's win tonight, it sets up a 1st vs 2nd showdown in the OAC at John Carroll Saturday.  HUGE game for JCU and at large NCAA bid chances.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OAC Fan on February 01, 2009, 12:47:22 am
Watched JCU-Capital tonight on STO....looks like Cap could have used Quintin Mitchell off the bench. His energy usually helps them out. JCU laid the press on them and caused a lot of turnovers. Didnt look like the normal Cap today in the 2nd half. BTW, #23 on JCU is a punk. Several times during the game you can see him throw his shoulder/bump into guys just walking around floor. And he has yet to commit a foul this season (in his mind). I think JCU has a chance to win the league this year based on games left and where they play them.

Privacy: I am not sure how much the grad coach had to do with the BW-Berg outcome. Looking at the running score BW controlled that game until about 2 minutes to go. Golhston was tossed at about the 13 minute mark. 11 minute diff from when he was thrown out and when they took the lead. Given the fact that Sheldon turned the Berg around I am sure he will do fine at BW if you give it some time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BogeyMan on February 01, 2009, 04:41:19 pm
Does anyone know who the officials were in the Berg - BW game?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 01, 2009, 05:04:00 pm
John Carroll 83 Capital 75

This puts the top in reach of the OAC regular season title

Capital 10-2
John Carroll 10-2
Ohio Northern 9-3
Wilmington 9-3

Capital only has 1 more game vs one of those 4 remaining.......at Ohio Northern in two weeks.

John Carroll has 2 more games,   they host Ohio Northern next Saturday and finish the year at Wilmington.

Wilmington and Ohio Northern have those game plus face each other Feb 11.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 01, 2009, 05:05:53 pm
Does anyone know who the officials were in the Berg - BW game?

http://www.bw.edu/athletics/mbb/sched/08game16.htm

they're in the boxscore.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on February 02, 2009, 03:06:46 pm
Well, someone asked about the problems at Otterbein...First of all, no seniors. Second of all, NO DEFENSE. A mediocre team, Muskingum hit them for 47 second half points recently. Coach Reynolds cannot find a combination that seems to click. He has been starting 3 freshmen and 2 juniors including a 6'3 freshman post player. Their 2 biggest players(6'6 soph and 6'7 fresh) get little playing time. The OAC leading scorer and others have missed games due to discipline.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OAC Fan on February 02, 2009, 03:44:49 pm
What have those 2 players done to get disciplined so many times?

Big game for the #8 seed on Wednesday night (not really with 3 weeks to go).



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 02, 2009, 05:18:24 pm
Is anybody surprised by JCU's success this season or Capital's #5 national ranking?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 04, 2009, 10:51:09 pm
No surprises tonight in the OAC. Just getting back from the Berg vs B-W game where B-W loses another close game. They've had 4 OT games and it looked like tonight would be their 5th. Looks like the YellowJackets will be joining Otterbein and won't be making the OAC tournament. Hard to believe - they have better players than that. OAC Fan - I'm not sure I agree with your assesment of Coach Sheldon. I hardly think 1 winning season in 6 is building a winning program, and had he stayed, he wouldn't be doing any better than what Coach Gholson is doing. 1 winning season in 7 is not what I call building a winning program. I know Heidelberg isnt one of the better jobs in the OAC - and Coach Sheldon won the conference tournament last year - but if you look back to the late 80's and early 90's you'll see that Coach Hill in fact built a winning program at the Berg. He had 6 winning season between 1988 and 1995 and had the Berg in the top half of the OAC. Coach Sheldon finished in the top half only once. Obviously it shouldn't take him as long to get it going at BW - but after seeing tonight's game and based on BW's struggles this year - I wouldn't be calling Coach Sheldon a program builder. I'm not hating on Coach Sheldon, I'm sure he'll have a solid career at BW - but he has a ways to go before he enters Coach Hill or Coach Bankson's success levels. On another note - it appears JCU and Capital will be the teams to represent the OAC this year come NCAA tourny time. ONU seems to be playing uninspired ball. BTW - nice article on Coach Moran in the Cleveland Plain Dealer today.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2009, 11:15:04 pm
Welcome to the board -- bring friends!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2009, 05:57:51 pm
Just a reminder that John Carroll coach Mike Moran will be one of our guests on Hoopsville tonight. The show airs from 6-8 ET and he will be in the first hour.

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/tunein.php
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on February 06, 2009, 10:48:38 am
I also agree. Sheldon has a long time before becoming a elite coach. One successful year in six year tenure is not success. Let's just hope time does not run out on him at BW. I don't know if a school is willing to wait that long just to have one good year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 07, 2009, 05:13:43 pm
Muskingum 72 Capital 60

....thats a major upset in the OAC

combined with JCU's win over Ohio Northern..........JCU is now the OAC leader by 1 game.

......and Baldwin-Wallace beats Wilmington, so the OAC is starting to look like the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 08, 2009, 10:54:20 pm
Good to see Muskingum and BW win. I have been disappointed by both these teams this year, and very surprised by JCU's success. I have thought all along they (BW and Muskingum) had the talent to have solid winning seasons. I thought Cap and ONU would battle for 1-2, while BW, muskie, wilm, and JCU would battle for 3-6, followed by Mt. and Marietta. Kinda figured the Berg and Ott. would struggle. At the half way point my predictions were way off, but with 4 to go I might be looking more nostradomus than it appears. Still way off on JCU's 1st place (had them at 6th) and BW's 9th place (3rd place) - but there is a lot of bball left to be played. (FYI - I had Muskie 4thand Wilmington 5). Saw the ONU - JCU game. It amazes me what they are doing with such a small line up and so many inexperienced players. ONU is underachieving IMO. They could be a very dangerous tournament team!! Anybody have thoughts on ALL-Conference teams yet? How about your pre-season predictions? (now that I've shared mine) Best DIII in Ohio? Could it really be JCU - if so, watch out 09-10, cause the streaks don't lose much if anything!!

PS Privacy - I can't imagine Sheldon would be in any trouble with job security. My guess is he's at BW for the next 25 years win or not. It's DIII, he just started, and he's an alum. I dont think BW would run an alum off. They know he has big shoes to fill - Bankson was a class act that went out on top having his best 4 year run in school history with the Davis Brothers, and the likes of Schuler, Sekerak and Aufmuth. With another sizable post option - BW might have won the whole thing thing a few years back when they lost to Wittenberg, who went on to lose in the National title game in the last minute. I was at that game and BW was only mismatched in not having the post size and depth the Witt. had.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 08, 2009, 11:40:10 pm
Your right SAC.... the OAC is back to it's old ways. I just realized Otterbein beat my ol college on saturday night. I guess it doesn't surprise me! When was the last time we were any good? I'll answer that - when we had Shipp and Richards. Of course it doesn't help when kids transfer out or quit the team year after year. Seriously, isn't it time Mt. Union do something to become competitive in the OAC! Perhaps Kehres could share some of his football $$ with Lil Napoleon, or better yet maybe he could coach the team! We could have 80 guys out for bball instead of just 40!
On another note.... I guess some love should be directed toward the Pioneers! They're doing what hasn't been done at Marietta in some time - winning and not finishing last in the OAC! Oh BTW - they're led by a kid from Malvern and Cleveland! HMMM!?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on February 09, 2009, 02:07:08 pm
Looks like the 8th and final spot for the OAC tourney could be up for grabs this week.....OC is trailing but is coming off a win over the Mount and has BW and the Berg this week. BW must beat OC and hope OC beats Berg. No clue about tie breakers. OC played well against Mount Union after a crushing defeat(80-68) earlier in the season. OC switched to a freshman point guard(now starting 3 freshmen and 2 juniors). Now, if the 2 big kids would just play more to defend the post. The future looks decent, no seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 10, 2009, 10:41:08 am
Best DIII in Ohio? Could it really be JCU - if so, watch out 09-10, cause the streaks don't lose much if anything!!
Thanks for joining in on the fun albert!  It's nice to see some fresh faces in here on the OAC board.  And actual OAC posters as well!  ;)

With regards to JCU, they have seemed to come out of nowhere!  I mean, you always expect Moran to put a good squad on the floor.  But, I thought this was Cap's season with ONU being the ones to give the Crusaders a challenge.  Moran has done a heck of a job up there in the Heights!

And speaking of young, we touched on this briefly on the NCAC board about how young teams are over there.  Of the top 5 teams in the NCAC, Wooster, Witt and Hiram all have everyone coming back but one (technically, Hiram has two because a jr. is graduating early).  And over 80% of Wooster's scoring this season is coming from freshmen and sophomores!

It is amazing the infusion of young players all over the GL Region this season!  Maybe that is why we are only seeing Cap and JCU as the lone reps in the top 25 so far this season.  But I have a feeling that we will see a few more than that next season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 10, 2009, 11:02:31 am
Albert,

You inquired as to whether anyone was surprised by John Carroll's success or Cap's ranking.....I say hell yes to both!!
I never expected JC to be this deep into  the season with only two OAC losses. ONU handled them with little trouble at home but got handled themselves at John Carroll....I still believe Cap is overachieving. I don,t think they are a top ten team and I will be very surprised if they manage to win the OAC tournament...We shall see...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 12, 2009, 12:17:21 pm
Wasn't able to catch any games last night., but I see Muskingum and BW continue to disappoint. MT. may not make tournament with their plunge - I dont expect them to win again as I look at their schedule. Otterbein not out of race with their win in Bera, just yet, - BIG game vs the Berg Saturday. I'm as surprised by JCU's 13 game winning "BlueStreak" as I am by BW's dismal season. Ive seen everybody at least once and I liked BW's team. They played Capital tough early and should have won. They just dont seem able to win close ball games. As the season winds down - I have my All-Conference picks, POY and COY. COY easy M&M (Mike Moran). POY Mr. Haynes - undersized, under appreciated at season's start. Not sure how OAC does All-Conference so I'm picking the Top 20. In Team order: JCU -Kirbus, Haynes, Zajac. Capital: Wodd, Stahl, Mitchell, ONU: Meyer, Bastian, Cannan, Brown. Wilmington: Gaines and Rogers ( Ledford 1st gut left out). Marietta: Halter. Muskingum: Felt and Scott. MT. Switzer and Pellerite. Heidelberg: Kinn. BW: Bene. Otterbein: Pollack. Hope this helps stir up some conversation as we enter the post-season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 13, 2009, 12:56:53 pm
I've been enjoying watching JCU this year, especially seeing the emergence of the second line.  With 4 freshmen and a sophomore getting all that playing time, it bodes well for the future.  The first line doesn't have any seniors either.  Both lines flat out hustle, all game.  They've bought into Moran's system and it's paying some dividends.

The second line is definately undersized which could be a problem once the regular season's over, but in Moran's system, it functions almost like a "change of pace running back."  Maybe their versatility will pay off.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 14, 2009, 04:13:00 pm
I just realized Otterbein beat my ol college on saturday night. I guess it doesn't surprise me! When was the last time we were any good? I'll answer that - when we had Shipp and Richards. Of course it doesn't help when kids transfer out or quit the team year after year. Seriously, isn't it time Mt. Union do something to become competitive in the OAC!

I've been asking this for years.  I was afraid that little 3 year stretch in the early 00's starting w/ the younger Richards where they won 18 each yr would buy him a few more years and it has.  I ask the same thing over on the baseball board and that is how many years being a .500 program is enough?  The coaches have been there well over a decade each and their winning % is still hovering just over .500.  I could even take being .500 overall if it's because you're really down a couple years playing young guys and then make a run at an OAC title their Jr/Sr years.  But that's not what's happening.  I don't think MUC has finished higher than 3rd in the OAC since the Shipp/Richards team.  That was the mid 90's!!!  Just frustrates me.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OAC Fan on February 14, 2009, 11:46:10 pm
Dr. Acula:

Good point on Mount Basketball...How about the game on STO today vs. Wilmington. They have a player on the bench in street clothes wearing a backwards Cincinnati Reds hat. On the bench and in the huddle! Are you kidding me!? Are the inmates running the prison? Another kid was wearing jeans, and they were halfway up his ass.  Have some class and teach these kids how the real world works. Classy.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2009, 02:20:57 pm
I saw that OAC Fan.  Not sure in what capacity they were associated with the team.  If they're players, then at least put on your warm ups.  If not, then put on a shirt and tie.  If you're a recruit, then what are you doing in the huddle?  Honestly I didn't give it a second thought because I was too busy watching all the wheels falling off the Raiders' wagon.  I watched the entire game and Joe Tait was dead on when he said both coaches were concerned about their defense.  They should be!  And I'm not picking on one squad more than the other.  Neither one could get a stop in the half court when they needed it.  It just stood out more from MUC because 1) I'm a MUC guy 2) They had the lead.  Between the Raiders inability to get any type of stop on D and their inconsistent handling of the Quakers full court pressure down the stretch Coach Hood had to be upset with the final 6 minutes.  That was just a tough loss to swallow. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2009, 02:39:50 pm
I feel like I need to post something positive since I was a little bitter about the lack of D in that last post.  So I'll give you my Player of the Game for each squad.

Wilm:  RJ Brown.  He didn't lead them in scoring or rebounding, but he just played a very complete game.  15 pts, 5 reb, 5 steals, 3 assists, 0 TO.   

MUC: Chris Switzer.  Career high 31 pts on a very impressive 11/18 shooting.  Also had 7 reb, 2 steals, 2 assists and 5/6 FT.

Runner up: Kevin Colson, Wilm. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 15, 2009, 04:17:34 pm
Watched the RAIDERS collapse on STO. Terrible shot selection and decision making down the stretch. And Amen! One Fan - What's the deal with wearing a ball cap on the bench. The youngman in question had the Purple Raider warm-up on, so I have to assume it was a player. Just one more thing to scratch your head about when it comes to MT. U Basketball. Again - I cant say I'm surprised. I saw Marietta at JCU in what appears to be 2 teams destined for future great match-ups and perhaps league supremacy. JCU's pressure and couple of experienced players too much for the Pioneers this season. I see the Berg beat Otterbein to clinch the last tournament spot. They lose any tie-breakers with Mt. because they lost to Raiders both times. Otterbein now tied with BW for last place and as the 2 teams who's season ends next saturday. Muskie bounces back from loss to Marietta to beat BW at home. So there's still a battle between Muskingum and Marietta for 5-6th place. JCU has underachieving BW at home and at Wilmington to end the season. The JCU - BW game has been a great match-up since moran came to University Hts - but I'm not sure the YellowJackets have adjusted to Coach Sheldon's system enough to win this one, (Or maybe he hasn't adjusted to his new players) either way it remains a rivalry and BW's pride is on the line, dont expect Beane & Company to just lie down.  And yes I'm still saying ONU is a great pick for tournament champions, but i've over hyped Northern before only to be let down. Anyelse have OAC post season predictions?! Anyone??!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2009, 04:54:52 pm
I like JCU, then ONU in the OAC tourney.  I'm not sold on Cap for some reason.  I've seen them 3 times this year and walked away unimpressed each time (Note: I mean unimpressed relative to their record/ranking, not unimpressed in that I think they aren't good or don't have talent).  Obviously they're good, their record shows that much.  I can't put my finger on it, but they just didn't play like a championship team if that makes sense.  The games I've seen they had these lapses where they just played poorly for a while, let an inferior team hang around longer than they should, but ultimately won because they're good.  That formula just doesn't sit well with me come tourney time.  Of course if they win the tourney I'll just edit this post to say something like "I love Cap, they're gritty and just find ways to win close games." 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 15, 2009, 05:18:55 pm
I would have to agree that John Carroll is probably the team to beat in the tournament. I also don't feel Cap is as good as their ranking would indicate. I have seen them only twice this season, but came away both times wonderiing how they won the game and how they continue to win, but they do, so there is obviously something going on with this team that I certainly don't see. As to the tournament, I don't see Cap, John Carroll or ONU losing in the first round...Wilmington is another story...They won by three twice over the Muskies, and had a three point and I believe a six or seven point win over Marietta. It depends on which team shows up in the tournament. I really don't see ONU losing to Cap again if they meet...The Bears got beat at Cap in OT and once again by four this past Saturday in Ada, but as they say, it is tough to beat a team three times in one season. All things considered, I see JC advancing to the NCAA tournament, but that is why they play the games, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2009, 12:58:10 pm
The Bears got beat at Cap in OT and once again by four this past Saturday in Ada, but as they say, it is tough to beat a team three times in one season.

No offense, onefan, but that is the dumbest cliche in sports. Do people really think through the implications of that cliche whenever they cite it?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on February 16, 2009, 02:42:51 pm
Now that Heidelberg has clinched a tourney spot I feel like I can comment on other teams. No one wants to hear from the guy who's team doesnt even make the tourney. As far as Mount is concerned I to have wondered to myself how they are consistently at the bottom of the leauge standings. They have nice athletic facilities unlike Wilmington and the Berg and are in a great location unlike ONU, Musky, and Marietta. However, they still get consistently out recruited and out played by all of these schools through recent years (except maybe Marietta). Does being known as a football school really hurt them that much? Or is it the coaching staff and their recruiting plan?

As far as the tourney is concerned you have to have JCU as the favorite. They play very hard and are a legitametly 12 deep. The only thing to count against them is their youth come big games in the tournament. In my opinion Cap is next. I've seen them several times over the last 3 years and I have no idea why people on this board do not consider them an elite team. I do not know what else they have to do to prove they are legit. To this point only losing 5 OAC games the last two seasons is remarkable.

 I also was wondering if anyone knows if their is any truth to the rumor that Wood broke his nose and has to wear a mask for the rest of the season? I saw he played 24mins on sat. and went 1-3 from the field and 1-2 from the FT line to finish with 3pts 2 TO's and 4 fouls. A very unlike Wood stat line to say the least. If he isnt healthy that could be a big blow to them. If he is hurt ONU could have a shot. ONU is a very good team but they let you down every year, I dont see why this year is any different.

The OAC tourney teams are decided but their still a lot to play for as far as seeding is concerned. CAP is only a game behind JCU and the streaks still have to go to Wilmington, maybe the toughest place to play in the leauge. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think CAP holds the tiebreaker via 2 wins over ONU? Speaking of ONU and the Quakers they are tied for the 3 seed. Not sure who holds the tiebreaker there. Musky and Marietta are with striking distance of each other for the 5 and 6 seeds. Finally the Princes and MUC are tied for 7th but Mount holds the tiebreaker. Mount finishes with Nothern at home and @ Marietta while the Berg has Cap and Musky at home. A lot should be known by wednesday night at around 930. Should be an interesting finish!


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 16, 2009, 05:10:23 pm
Now that Heidelberg has clinched a tourney spot I feel like I can comment on other teams. No one wants to hear from the guy who's team doesnt even make the tourney.

I do.  I want to hear from guys who support each of the ten teams.  Twenty teams, if you count the women.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on February 16, 2009, 05:37:09 pm
Well, the National Championship banner is beginning to get dusty at Otterbein. Last home is Wednesday, but no seniors on the team. With an offense of Pollack to the right, Pollack to the left and Pollack down the middle and true lack of speed and size on defense  leaves this team totally deserving of its last place finish in the OAC.  With 3 freshmen starters, including point guard and an undersized post player(6'3), will this team improve next year? Will the 2 biggest players(6'7 and 6'6) improve enough to be a factor..Can Coach Reynolds get them out of the basement or is he thinking about retirement??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 17, 2009, 12:10:49 am
GS,

No offense taken, but with all due respect it is not even close to the dumbest cliche in sports. To be more precise, in my opinion, CAP and ONU are so evenly matched, the more often they play, the higher the liklihood that the wins and losses are going to even out. CAP has an OT win and a four point win this season over the Bears. Both games could have gone the other way. As to thinking through the implications of the cliche, yes, people do think through them. Beating an opponent three times in a season that is evenly matched with you is difficult to do. Beating them twice is also difficult, but with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious are reduced. That was the point of the comment.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2009, 12:15:17 am
Like a lot of sports cliches, there's not a lot of evidence to support it other than anecdotal.

It isn't any tougher for Team A to beat Team B in February than it was in December, most often, and if it is tougher it's not usually because they played each other already.

What's tougher, and this is no surprise, is that it's more difficult to go 3-0 than 2-0, no matter the opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2009, 02:07:39 pm
GS,

No offense taken, but with all due respect it is not even close to the dumbest cliche in sports. To be more precise, in my opinion, CAP and ONU are so evenly matched, the more often they play, the higher the liklihood that the wins and losses are going to even out. CAP has an OT win and a four point win this season over the Bears. Both games could have gone the other way. As to thinking through the implications of the cliche, yes, people do think through them. Beating an opponent three times in a season that is evenly matched with you is difficult to do. Beating them twice is also difficult, but with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious are reduced. That was the point of the comment.

First of all, the cliche doesn't say anything about teams being "evenly matched". The cliche, as you quoted it (and as it's usually quoted), is this: It's tough to beat a team three times in one season. There's no "evenly matched" there. It isn't even implied. According to this cliche, the #1 team could whip the pants off of the #8 team twice in an eight-team league that plays a double round-robin, but that #1 team better watch out when it plays #8 in the opening round of an eight-team conference tournament!

And that's just plain silly.

Capital could have a hard time beating Ohio Northern in the OAC tourney for one simple reason: The two teams are fairly evenly-matched. The fact that Capital beat ONU twice already doesn't have anything to do with it, any more than if ONU had managed to win one or both of those games. Heck, you could make the argument that the two teams are fairly evenly-matched even if one of them had had a bad night and got whipped by the other in one of the regular-season games. Why? Because prior performances don't enter into current outcomes at all. Nobody gets a head start on the scoreboard when the clock reads 20:00 because they happened to have beaten the other team on an earlier occasion. It's the relative strengths of the two teams, plus their execution on game night in that third contest, that'll decide the outcome, not what happened in the two previous games.

Previous head-to-head contests are usually indicators of relative strength, of course, but they're often more indicative by virtue of closeness than by outcome. In other words, a team that sweeps the regular-season series over an opponent with an OT win and a four-point win may not be more dominant over that team than it is over a team that it beat by thirty but lost to by one. But it's very different to beat a team by four and in OT than it is to beat a team by thirty and by fifteen. All sweeps are not created equal, which is at the heart of why it's a dumb cliche.

Also, this statement:

Quote
Beating them twice is also difficult, but with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious are reduced.

... is demonstrably false. The odds of beating a team are not affected by prior performances any more than the actual outcome is affected by prior performances. What is true, and what you may have meant to say, is that with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious and undefeated against that particular opponent are reduced, because the more times that you play a team, the less likely you are to continue sweeping them. That's true even if you're an excellent #1 team playing a lousy #8 team, because each game is yet another opportunity for the better team to stumble.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 18, 2009, 12:55:55 am
,GS,

At the risk of beating a dead horse, you are correct that the cliche doesn't mention anything about the teams being evenly matched,however to say that it isn't even implied is a stretch. I seriously doubt the phrase was started at the Roman Colesium when the Christians and the lions were going at it on a daily basis. It more than likely reared it's ugly head after two opponents had experienced very evenly matched competitions on two prior occasions. Viewed in that context, it can hardly be referred to as the ''dumbest cliche in sports''. t can however be viewed as a cliche that is utilized by dumb people.

To say that the two prior outcomes between Cap and ONU this season has nothing to do with a third match-up couldn't be further from the truth. Talk to anyone with knowledge and experience in the game and they will tell you that those two prior games have a very definite impact on how the third game will be approached. The two teams strengths will try to be countered by what was learned from the previous two meetings and consequently the team that learned more from those prior two meetings and can also esecute their game plan will emerge victorious.

As to the odds of Cap emerging victorious in a third meeting being reduced,you are  mathematically correct. However, you then make the statement that ''the more times you play a team the less likely you are to continue to sweep them''which is exactly the point I was trying to make. Thank you. I guess it really is tough to beat a team three times in one season after all.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 18, 2009, 01:18:42 am
What is true, and what you may have meant to say, is that with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious and undefeated against that particular opponent are reduced, because the more times that you play a team, the less likely you are to continue sweeping them. That's true even if you're an excellent #1 team playing a lousy #8 team, because each game is yet another opportunity for the better team to stumble.
I wonder then, what the odds are of Wooster emerging victorious and undefeated against the EC this weekend to make it a perfect 45 for 45 all time against the Quakers?   ;)  :P 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2009, 01:52:28 pm
,GS,

At the risk of beating a dead horse, you are correct that the cliche doesn't mention anything about the teams being evenly matched,however to say that it isn't even implied is a stretch. I seriously doubt the phrase was started at the Roman Colesium when the Christians and the lions were going at it on a daily basis. It more than likely reared it's ugly head after two opponents had experienced very evenly matched competitions on two prior occasions. Viewed in that context, it can hardly be referred to as the ''dumbest cliche in sports''. t can however be viewed as a cliche that is utilized by dumb people.

It's not a stretch at all. That cliche has been used in all sorts of different contexts, by all sorts of people, referring to all sorts of different teams. There's no implication of "evenly matched" in it at all.

To say that the two prior outcomes between Cap and ONU this season has nothing to do with a third match-up couldn't be further from the truth. Talk to anyone with knowledge and experience in the game and they will tell you that those two prior games have a very definite impact on how the third game will be approached. The two teams strengths will try to be countered by what was learned from the previous two meetings and consequently the team that learned more from those prior two meetings and can also esecute their game plan will emerge victorious.

You're confusing outcome with performance. Coaches and players don't learn any more or any less from a win than they do from a loss. They learn strengths, weaknesses, tendencies, sets, rotations, etc., from having played a team (and from viewing film of that performance) not from the ultimate result on the scoreboard. In other words, the educational aspect of having played an opponent doesn't really have anything to do with which team ended up with the W and which team ended up with the L. Also, while "learning more from those prior two meetings" and "executing their game plan" count for a lot, good ol' talent is just as often the determining factor, if not more often.

As to the odds of Cap emerging victorious in a third meeting being reduced,you are  mathematically correct. However, you then make the statement that ''the more times you play a team the less likely you are to continue to sweep them''which is exactly the point I was trying to make. Thank you. I guess it really is tough to beat a team three times in one season after all.

If that was the point you were trying to make, you made it poorly. You originally said:

The Bears got beat at Cap in OT and once again by four this past Saturday in Ada, but as they say, it is tough to beat a team three times in one season.

"Less likely" and "tough" are two unrelated concepts. It's a basic law of mathematics that the odds of an outcome remaining the same in a system with random variables (i.e., a basketball game) lessen as the number of instances are increased. In other words, to use ScotsFan's example, Wooster is and has been for many years a basketball power, while Earlham perennially fluctuates between mediocre and downtrodden on the hardwood. The odds of Wooster running off a long winning streak against Earlham are, thus, much better than are the odds of Wooster running off a long winning streak against Wittenberg (or of either Capital or Ohio Northern running off a long winning streak against the other, given the topsy-turvy world of the OAC). But the odds of Wooster winning ten in a row against Earlham are not nearly as good as are the odds of the Scots sweeping the Quakers in any given season. And the odds against Wooster running the table against EC over twenty games are even longer, and over 44 games even longer still.

So what are the odds that Wooster is going to beat Earlham on Saturday in Timken Gym? Excellent. And if Wooster wins that game, and then faces EC in the NCAC tourney, what will be the odds that the Scots will be the team celebrating after the final buzzer, the proud owners of a three-game sweep over the Quakers? Again, excellent. But what are the odds that Wooster would have won 45 in a row over the Quakers when the current streak started? Not all that great, actually. Even with a good program and a poor program involved, it's very hard to run off that long of a streak. Wooster beat Earlham by two in OT in a 2005-06 game, and on two other occasions over the past six seasons the final winning margin for the Scots was in single digits. The odds, therefore, of Wooster making it 46 in a row the next time that the two teams meet are less than the odds that Wooster will make it 45 in a row on Saturday.

That's what I meant by this statement:

What is true, and what you may have meant to say, is that with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious and undefeated against that particular opponent are reduced, because the more times that you play a team, the less likely you are to continue sweeping them. That's true even if you're an excellent #1 team playing a lousy #8 team, because each game is yet another opportunity for the better team to stumble.

You've completely misconstrued it. You've instead inserted the word "tough" into the statement, as in, "It really is tough to beat a team three times in one season." And that's not what I said at all. If you're Wooster and the opponent is Earlham, "tough" doesn't enter into the conversation. It's less likely, not "tough".
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 18, 2009, 10:13:26 pm
GS,

You are obviously quite passionate about proving your point concerning the "dumbest cliche" in sports. I will take your extensive diatribe on the subject in the spirit in which I am sure it was written,to-wit, to educate ,even though I continue to disagree with your position.Thank you. My only request is that if you feel the need to reply to this post, please keep the response to 500 words or less, otherwise you tend to come off  a "tad bit shrill". Also, I really don't have the time or attention span to read anything much longer than that and it would certainly seem that you and I are really the only two that give a damn about the topic anyway.Spending any more time on the subject would truly appear to be a waste of your time and mine. Thank you again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2009, 03:09:09 pm
"Shrill"? Hardly. "Passionate"? Believe me, I was more passionate about the white chili I had for dinner last Thursday -- granted, it was pretty good white chili. ;) I was just trying to make a point, that's all. Yeah, I got wordy, but when you're trying to get a point across it's better to say too much than it is to say too little.

As for you and I being the only people who give a damn, let's remember where we are. Here in the OAC room, the motto is, "Where nobody's given a damn for over ten years and counting"!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 20, 2009, 01:48:11 pm
GS,

Amen to that brother, good white chili is hard to beat and this site does have a very poor following despite the great effort those Dlll kids give us week in and week out. As to the basketball, underachieving ONU got beat by an inspired Muskie team Wednesday night. I must confess I haven't had the time to see how everyone else did, but I fear that ONU's problems of not being  able to perform well down the stretch will follow them in to the tournament. Their largest loss this season has been by nine, and it seems as though the trend has been for them to be unable to close a team out in the late stages of the game  and consequently lose the close ones in the final minutes. As a Bears fan, I hope they can turn that trend around.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 20, 2009, 10:27:32 pm
ONE Fan - I didn't notice but your right about ONU losing games late. (Although I'd say they were a distant 2nd in that category to BW this year. ) Every since the year the Polar Bears got robbed & didn't make the tournament as a 2nd team from the OAC behind BW - they haven't seemed capable of winning big games or needed games late in the season. They just never seem to live up to their potential, but I'm still stcking with them as my tourny pick. I know it doesnt make sense but thats part of why I'm staying on Polar Bear Express.

Everyone else - I have tried starting conversations regarding OAC action. I guess there just isnt much appreciation or interest in the OAC. But please... if your a poster from another Conference, lets try to debate basketball not Cliches! Tell me my predictions suck! Tell me yours! Tell me about an OAC game you saw! Tell me an opinion about OAC basketball after reading the scores or checking the school websites! Tell me something I don't already know or dont tell me anything at all!

I was reading some old post and browsing the websites earlier. FYI - Heidelberg is not the only school without a full time asst. Duane Sheldon at BW is without one. Not sure why? The women have one. Not sure what's going on there!? What happened to Coach Bankson's assistant (Chris Kibbler)? Coach Kibbler recruited me out of high school. I should have listened and gone to BW.  Mike Moran has no full-time asst. I dont think Marietta's or Wilmington's assts. are full-time. Ott., ONU, Cap., Muskingum, and I think Mt. Union's Dan MacDuffie is full-time, though I could be wrong. If not, perhaps those schools are not giving the basketball coaches full-time assistants any more!? Hard to fathom when the football staff has plenty of assistants at these schools. Certainly would answer some of the questions about winning recruitng battles!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 21, 2009, 12:30:41 am
Albert,

I can appreciate your choice of the Bears in the OAC Tournament. I have a similar sentiment when it comes to them. They frequently get double digit scoring from five players, have a deep bench...they play sticky man to man defense and they haven't been blown out by anyone this season. Their achilles has been the lack of killer instinct down the stretch and at times inability to make crucial late game free throws when given the opportunity and during certain stretches have displayed a propensity of turning the ball over. In reality I expect the same trends to continue in the tournament, but it is a short road to the championship game so anything can happen, right? Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on February 21, 2009, 10:16:52 am
An OAC game highlight from Wednesday night made SportsCenter's Top 10 plays this morning.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2009, 02:13:28 pm
Everyone else - I have tried starting conversations regarding OAC action. I guess there just isnt much appreciation or interest in the OAC. But please... if your a poster from another Conference, lets try to debate basketball not Cliches! Tell me my predictions suck! Tell me yours! Tell me about an OAC game you saw! Tell me an opinion about OAC basketball after reading the scores or checking the school websites! Tell me something I don't already know or dont tell me anything at all!

My opinion is this: I have a tremendous amount of respect for OAC basketball. It has a great history of postseason success, and few if any leagues around D3 can rival it for its top-to-bottom competitiveness, year in and year out. As a CCIW fan, I've never had any problem with viewing the OAC as a peer in terms of being a power conference.

However, the excellence of the league on the hardwood doesn't seem to be matched by fan enthusiasm, at least as far as this room is concerned. And I've never understood that at all. I've given up on wondering why that is.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 21, 2009, 03:28:32 pm
Everyone else - I have tried starting conversations regarding OAC action. I guess there just isnt much appreciation or interest in the OAC. But please... if your a poster from another Conference, lets try to debate basketball not Cliches! Tell me my predictions suck! Tell me yours! Tell me about an OAC game you saw! Tell me an opinion about OAC basketball after reading the scores or checking the school websites! Tell me something I don't already know or dont tell me anything at all!

My opinion is this: I have a tremendous amount of respect for OAC basketball. It has a great history of postseason success, and few if any leagues around D3 can rival it for its top-to-bottom competitiveness, year in and year out. As a CCIW fan, I've never had any problem with viewing the OAC as a peer in terms of being a power conference.

However, the excellence of the league on the hardwood doesn't seem to be matched by fan enthusiasm, at least as far as this room is concerned. And I've never understood that at all. I've given up on wondering why that is.
I hear ya!  I too have had a great respect for the OAC over the years.  Having to see many teams on Wooster's schedule year in and year out and meeting up in the Tournament on several occasions, I have become very familiar with the OAC and try to follow what's going on in the conference throughout the season.  I have always felt that the OAC has to be considered one of the 3 toughest conferences in the country and I'm jealous of the fact that Wooster doesn't get that grueling conference schedule to test them come tournament time.  And I have often felt this has hurt Wooster more than a couple of time with early exits from the Tournament.

But, I too, for the life of me, can't figure out why there isn't more activity on this board?!  The OAC football board doesn't have a problem and that's not just because of MUC.  There are plenty of other OAC teams represented over there.  I just can't figure out why some of those fans of the football site can't get into basketball as well?  As GS said, it's futile to continue to wonder why this board doesn't garner more interest...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 21, 2009, 03:33:57 pm
While I have no explanation for WHY it is, all the regular posters in OAC are football only (even this time of year the OAC football board is more active than this board.  In the CCIW (and seemingly the NCAC, MIAA, and a few others), I've rarely seen regulars who post in only one or the other; most are active on both.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 21, 2009, 04:54:55 pm
I agree regarding the lack of activity on this board.  And yes, the OAC football board is more active right now than this board.  But as an OAC guy I read both almost every day (although this one I can do more like weekly).  The OAC football board right now is almost all MUC regulars along w/ staples like JK (Cap) and Reality Check (ONU).  The rest are mainly non-OAC folks.  Really there isn't a lot of representation for the other schools.  Even during football season it's really a MUC/Cap/ONU party for the most part.  I don't understand why BW & JCU don't have more posters on football, so I'm not even going to attempt to explain hoops.  But look at the bright side...it could be the OAC baseball board.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 21, 2009, 05:53:33 pm
I'm not surprised that the top 3 teams won this afternoon.  I was a little surprised by the scores though.  A little tighter than I would have thought.  I know Bein is a rivalry game, but they're 3-15 in conference and it was at Cap. 

Capital over Otterbein 83-78 (OT). 

ONU over MUC 100-99 (2OT). 

JCU over Wilm 75-72
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 21, 2009, 05:55:08 pm
Ohio Northern 100 Mt. Union 99 2OT

......that close to a Pool C crushing loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 21, 2009, 06:21:28 pm
Its that time of the year!! Great game in Alliance today! ONU freshmen hits game winning 3 in double OT!! I was very impressed with the effort by Mt. Union - I really wasnt expecting that. They are playing surprisingly well right now. I wont hold my breath come tournament time as they have Capital - but I see Capital isnt playing that great right now. Who knows?! Best of luck to the Raiders! I'm now changing my tourny prediction. After seeing JCU smack BW on STO - coupled with their road win at Wilmington, I have to believe they are clearly the OAC's best and I'm not expecting that to change - but I do expect the tournament to be exciting. Doed the OAC have any chanve of getting 2 teams in? I dont think ONU or Wilmington can get in without winning the tourny. Cap and JCU should be interesting if they make final and fail to win it. I'm picking JCU over Berg, Cap over Mt., not sure who has tie breaker with ONU and Wilmington but they both could be shark bait in the 1st round to either Marietta or Muskingum. Hope the final 4 is held at JCU for selfish reasons (easy trip to watch!).

On a side note - Congrats and my apologies to Andrew Bene of BW. AB scored 1,000 pts in his last game at BW (finished with 1006). Sorry for misspelling the name in my post last week.

Any thoughts on how JCU or any other OAC team might fair come NCAA tourny time? ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 23, 2009, 11:26:28 am
JCU hosts the OAC as long as they're in it.  That was a huge win at Wilmington.  Both Capital and JCU were undefeated at home this year, I think. 

I'm not sure how Capital's close shaves with teams at the bottom of the standings will look if they don't win the tourney.  Who knows what Pool C will think of that.  Still, a win's a win, and nothing's a given in the OAC.  Should be a very interesting tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2009, 11:34:17 am
I'm not sure how Capital's close shaves with teams at the bottom of the standings will look if they don't win the tourney.  Who knows what Pool C will think of that.

It won't matter. Margin of victory is not one of the five primary criteria used by the selection committee to determine Pool C bids.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 25, 2009, 09:54:16 pm
Well the NCAC did its best OAC impression last night, with 3 of 4 lower seeds winning quarterfinal games.
The OAC returned the favor tonight, doing its best impression of a typical top-heavy year in the NCAC with 3 of 4 top seeds winning.

Final scores:

#8 Heidelberg 68, #1 John Carroll 78
#5 Muskingum 70, #4 Wilmington 69
   
#6 Marietta 52, #3 Ohio Northern 62
#7 Mount Union 56, #2 Capital 95

Pairings for the OAC Semifinals, to be held at John Carroll's DeCarlo Varsity Center:

#3 Ohio Northern vs. #2 Capital, 6 p.m.
#5 Muskingum at #1 John Carroll, 8 p.m.

Both Capital and JCU swept their opponents during the regular season.
JCU now has a 17-game winning streak  :o and is unbeaten at home this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 25, 2009, 11:11:04 pm
Can't say I'm surprised by the whoopin Mt. took from Capital. The question is ... was Capital making a statement or did Mt. throw in the towel. Took in the JCU vs Heidelberg game tonight.  The Blue Streaks didnt look pretty but they were still able to beat a competitive but marginally talented squad from Tiffin. The younger players for JCU came through as they have all year. Hard to fathom this squad has won so many in a row! The OAC is not what it's accustomed to being. I have a hard time believing this year's team is anywhere close to as good as the past couple JCU championship teams. But its hard to argue with 17 straight or however many it is now. Muskingum's win over Wilmington only proves my thought that Muskingum was better than their record! I've been complaining about them and BW all year for underachieving. ONU gets the win against a team I'm saying right now will battle JCU the next couple of years for league supremacy with. The boys on the border have some talented freshmen playing major minutes. It might not happen next year, but the following year, 2010-11, look for the Pioneers to do what hasnt occurred in Marietta since 1995 - make a championship run! Hell for that matter - make a run at the upper tier of the OAC!! Amazing what a new coach can do for a program! I wonder if certain AD's are taking notice!? ??? On that same note - how will Coach Gholson's 1st recruitng class turn out? He needs players! Or Coach Sheldon's at BW? The loss of Bene is a large hole inside for the YellowJAckets. I like their guard play, but they need inside help. I didnt see much on the bench this year. Can Coach Sheldon muster the type of class he had last year at Heidelberg or will it take 6 years to put toghter a winning team? I cant imagine it would take that long at a school like BW.  One last question..... how long can a program like Otterbein stay down? Gotta think Coach Reynolds wont stay in the bottom of the league for long - but they definitely need players. Thats the worst I ever remember Otterbein being!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2009, 11:17:09 pm
Capital 63, ONU 58
John Carroll 83, Muskingum 69

Championship game: #2 Capital at #1 JCU, 7:30pm Saturday.  The winner gets the automatic NCAA bid and a fairly likely home regional, while the loser probably gets the booby prize of a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2009, 12:34:08 pm
Everything goes to form in the OAC and we've got Capital-JCU for the OAC championship.  As David noted, win or lose Cap and JCU should have bids.  But home court for next weekend could easily be on the line.

Watch it tonight- free. Game time is 7:30 p.m.

http://www.teamline.cc/sportpage?teamcode=1037&eventcode=6

I pick JCU by 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2009, 08:58:43 pm
Everything goes to form in the OAC and we've got Capital-JCU for the OAC championship.  As David noted, win or lose Cap and JCU should have bids.  But home court for next weekend could easily be on the line.

Watch it tonight- free. Game time is 7:30 p.m.

http://www.teamline.cc/sportpage?teamcode=1037&eventcode=6

I pick JCU by 8.

But isn't "form" in the OAC that favorites rarely win! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2009, 08:59:39 pm
Everything goes to form in the OAC and we've got Capital-JCU for the OAC championship.  As David noted, win or lose Cap and JCU should have bids.  But home court for next weekend could easily be on the line.

Watch it tonight- free. Game time is 7:30 p.m.

http://www.teamline.cc/sportpage?teamcode=1037&eventcode=6

I pick JCU by 8.

But isn't "form" in the OAC that favorites rarely win! :D

Yes, of course.

82-79 JCU leads with 3:49 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2009, 09:17:16 pm
JCU 90, Capital 87, Final.

John Carroll remains unbeaten at home and earns the OAC Tournament Championship and the conference's automatic bid to the 2009 NCAA Tournament.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 01, 2009, 01:38:02 am
JCU 90, Capital 87, Final.

John Carroll remains unbeaten at home and earns the OAC Tournament Championship and the conference's automatic bid to the 2009 NCAA Tournament.


And the favorite to put that home unbeaten streak on the line in the NCAA tournament IMHO...

Who would have ever guessed at the start of the regular season that the road to Salem out of the GL region would be going through John Carroll??? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 01, 2009, 02:22:03 am
JCU 90, Capital 87, Final.

John Carroll remains unbeaten at home and earns the OAC Tournament Championship and the conference's automatic bid to the 2009 NCAA Tournament.


And the favorite to put that home unbeaten streak on the line in the NCAA tournament IMHO...

Who would have ever guessed at the start of the regular season that the road to Salem out of the GL region would be going through John Carroll??? 

Hard to say, SF- but it wasn't these "experts" (http://www.oac.org/documents/2008Basketballpoll_000.pdf)   ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 01, 2009, 08:32:44 am
Cap's women are back in the tourney, where they belong, and the men are likely to get a pool C and get in (although given what happened back in 01, I won't get too excited until they actually announce it).

I'll take it...

I'd be even happier if the Football team hadn't mailed in the second half of the season after the QB got hurt.  But, who didn't expect a little slide after losing the best (OK, second best) coach in the conference.

Hoping that the baseball team can rebound from last year and fulfill some of the promise they showed making the OAC tourney final game two years ago.

Cap has quietly built a strong overall athletic program.  They will never win the OAC all-sports trophy because they don't have all the sports that MUC, JCU, BW, ONU have (no wrestling or swimming and diving), but pretty solid since the Capital Center was built.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:37:58 pm
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on March 03, 2009, 07:21:20 pm
I have gathered together the rosters and stats for the teams that will be playing at Capital this weekend.  They can be found here:  http://www.jtaswell.com/2009MBB/2009_MBB_Capital_Pod_Stats.htm

If anyone cares to have that information in an excel file, drop me a note and I'll be happy to send it to you!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on March 05, 2009, 01:06:56 pm
How about the OAC getting 2 home sectionals? I expect JCU & Capital will both win their openers. After that who knows. Either team could potentially make sweet 16 or Elite 8. Any news on who made all conference in the OAC. I have been waiting to hear. I wish D3 had recruiting deadlines so as a fan we could see who is going where. I live in Cleveland and wonder where some of the local cagers are headed. If anybody hears anything please share - perhaps that kind of info could carry the board through an otherwise dead period. Best of luck to our OAC representatives. Ive got Wheaton, Trinity, R. Stockton & F&M in the final 4. Couldnt agree more with the rediculousness of the bracket formation. Totally uneven - SAD! D3 & the NCAA should be embarrassed to put together a national tournament in this manner. Could you imagine this in D1?! I cant imagine the DII model being this crazy either. How do they do it? If it works for them, cant DIII adopt a similar approach? Anything but this mess!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2009, 01:45:16 pm
Unfortunately, we're stuck with a geographically-based bracket every year because D3 has to hold its tournament on D1's dime. Our tourney doesn't make money; the TV contract D1 enjoys for March Madness funds the tournaments for everybody else, regardless of level or sport. The person who pays the piper calls the tune. Unless the D1 folks are feeling generous enough to spring for more plane trips for D3 teams, the D3 selection committee is going to continue to have to set up ridiculously top-heavy brackets that keep everyone within 500 miles of campus if at all possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 05, 2009, 02:56:40 pm
Unfortunately, we're stuck with a geographically-based bracket every year because D3 has to hold its tournament on D1's dime. Our tourney doesn't make money; the TV contract D1 enjoys for March Madness funds the tournaments for everybody else, regardless of level or sport. The person who pays the piper calls the tune. Unless the D1 folks are feeling generous enough to spring for more plane trips for D3 teams, the D3 selection committee is going to continue to have to set up ridiculously top-heavy brackets that keep everyone within 500 miles of campus if at all possible.
We know that we are not going to get perfectly balanced brakets like they get in DI.  But come on!  This years bracket is about as rediculous as it gets!  Does the D3 selection committee have any creativity whatsoever?  I just don't get why, if the gurus here on this board can easily see ways to at least lessen the top heaviness of certain pods on the bracket without having to change anyones flight plans, why can't the committee see this???  And especially considering that the women's selection committee does a much better job of this than the men's selection committee ever has...  ???

It's just sad to think that we have some pretty damn good final 4 matchups in the 2nd freaking round of the tournament?!   :o   How does this happen???  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2009, 03:04:50 pm
Any news on who made all conference in the OAC. I have been waiting to hear.

http://www.oac.org/ (http://www.oac.org/)
Nate Stahl of Capital repeats as MOP.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 05, 2009, 03:54:29 pm
How about the OAC getting 2 home sectionals? I expect JCU & Capital will both win their openers. After that who knows. Either team could potentially make sweet 16 or Elite 8. Any news on who made all conference in the OAC. I have been waiting to hear. I wish D3 had recruiting deadlines so as a fan we could see who is going where. I live in Cleveland and wonder where some of the local cagers are headed. If anybody hears anything please share - perhaps that kind of info could carry the board through an otherwise dead period. Best of luck to our OAC representatives. Ive got Wheaton, Trinity, R. Stockton & F&M in the final 4. Couldnt agree more with the rediculousness of the bracket formation. Totally uneven - SAD! D3 & the NCAA should be embarrassed to put together a national tournament in this manner. Could you imagine this in D1?! I cant imagine the DII model being this crazy either. How do they do it? If it works for them, cant DIII adopt a similar approach? Anything but this mess!

Don't quote me on this but I think D2 uses an even stricter Regional model.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on March 05, 2009, 04:43:20 pm

First Team
Name, School                   Yr.          Pos.    High School
Kyle Meyer, Ohio North   Jr.   W   Columbus Grove
Rudy Kirbus, John Carr   Jr.   F   Willoughby Hills/St. Ignatius
Nate Stahl,       Capital      Sr.   W   St. Henry
Trevor Scott, Muskingu   Sr.   G   Loudonville
Ryan Wood,     Capital    Sr.   W   Pickerington/Central
Justin Gaines, Wilming   Sr.   G   Cincinnati/Colerain


Second  Team
Name, School           Yr.   Pos.   Hometown, High School
Andrew Bene, B-W           Sr.   P   Hinckley/Medina Highland
Brian Pollock, Otterbein   Jr.   G   London
Tyler Felt, Muskingum *   Sr.   F   Cambridge
Maurice Haynes II, JC      So.   F   Villa Angela-St. Joseph
Brandon Rogers, Wil %    Jr.   F   Xenia
Chris Switzer, Mount U=  Sr.   G   Euclid/Stow-Monroe Falls


Honorable Mention
Name, School                   Yr.   Pos.    High School
Kevin Knab, Marietta   Fr.   F   Lakewood
Kurtis Brown, Ohio N                Sr.   W             Continental
Trevor Halter, Marietta   Fr.   W   Malvern
Travis Kinn, Heidelberg   Jr.   F   Alvada/New Riegel
Quintin Mitchell, Capital   Sr.   P   Toledo/Libby
Josh Calver, Heidelberg   Jr.   G   Shelby
Ezra Bradshaw, Ohio No   Jr.   G   Cincinnati/Princeton
David Pellerite, Mount Union   So.   G   Olmsted Falls
Chris Zajac, John Carroll   Jr.   G   Brecksville-Broadview Hts.
Isaiah Creasap, Marietta $=   Sr.   G   Wooster/Northwestern

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2009, 08:57:03 pm
John Carroll wins and advances to face the Brockport State/Carnegie Mellon winner.  Does anyone know why JCU played the first game?  I thought hosts always played in the second game on Friday nights?

Anyway, Thomas More is unwilling to roll over for Capital, and is causing trouble for the Crusaders with a full-court press attack.

The Saints lead 38-36 at the half in Columbus.

Wooster advanced, beating Gettysburg 79-66 in the early game at Capital.  The Scots will face the Saints/Crusaders winner tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2009, 12:06:19 am
John Carroll wins and advances to face the Brockport State/Carnegie Mellon winner.  Does anyone know why JCU played the first game?  I thought hosts always played in the second game on Friday nights?

Anyway, Thomas More is unwilling to roll over for Capital, and is causing trouble for the Crusaders with a full-court press attack.

The Saints lead 38-36 at the half in Columbus.

Wooster advanced, beating Gettysburg 79-66 in the early game at Capital.  The Scots will face the Saints/Crusaders winner tomorrow.

CMU wins in double-OT.  The game went that long mainly due to 17 missed FTs by CMU.  They will face John Carroll tomorrow.  I am guessing they will face a very different team than they did back in November.  Will be interesting to follow the game though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 07, 2009, 12:24:06 am
Capital also advances, eeeeeking past a major upset bid by Thomas More to win 80-77 in OT.  Capital will face Wooster tomorrow for a berth in the Sweet 16.

While I have enjoyed watching Capital the past few years, in this instance I must show my true colors:  Let's Go Scots!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on March 07, 2009, 09:51:48 pm
JCU wins on a last second shot by Chris Zajac.  Great game.  CMU had the height advantage, too.  That's a big team.  It almost looked like the shortest of their starters was taller than the tallest of ours.  That makes me feel a little better about JCU's size.  Who are the best teams with big players left in the tourney?

Great fans too, from CMU.  Very classy.  (I'm a Pittsburgh transplant, so it's good to see a Pittsburgh team represent so well.) 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 08, 2009, 12:49:25 pm
John Carroll will host one of the men's sectionals next weekend, where they will face Guilford on Friday night.  Winner will face the winner of University of Texas-Dallas or Capital for the right to go to the Final Four.

If JCU can stay unbeaten at home, a final four bid awaits.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on March 08, 2009, 05:35:45 pm

If JCU can stay unbeaten at home, a final four bid awaits.

Here's hoping.  The students will be back, too, so the place will be rocking.  The end of the CMU game was the loudest I've ever heard the place, and that was without a lot of the football team that usually shows up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 10:36:04 am
Who are the best teams with big players left in the tourney?
Guilford's pretty good ... and their center, Tyler Sanborn, is 6'10"/235.  He was former DIII POY Ben Strong's back-up his freshman year, then they started side-by-side during Sanborn's sophomore season.  This season, his junior year, Tyler's really come into his own as a great player.  It certainly helps that Guilford's starting guards, Henson and Bonner, are averaging over 19 and 16 ppg, respectively ... you can't collapse inside on Sanborn because the guards are great outside shooters.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 09, 2009, 01:06:27 pm
Who are the best teams with big players left in the tourney?
Guilford's pretty good ... and their center, Tyler Sanborn, is 6'10"/235.  He was former DIII POY Ben Strong's back-up his freshman year, then they started side-by-side during Sanborn's sophomore season.  This season, his junior year, Tyler's really come into his own as a great player.  It certainly helps that Guilford's starting guards, Henson and Bonner, are averaging over 19 and 16 ppg, respectively ... you can't collapse inside on Sanborn because the guards are great outside shooters.

6'10" 235 is big!!  I was concerned that if JCU made it deep, their lack of size could end up hurting them.  Without having seen Guilford, I've only been able to look at their stats.  They look very tough.  As usual, it seems the biggest advantage JCU is going to have is "The System."  I've never seen a team (and I had the pleasure of seeing the Final Four run and the Sweet Sixteen season after it firsthand) buy in like these young guys have this season.  They truly "play to exhaustion" as Moran loves to say like these guys.

Having the home crowd shouldn't hurt either.  I'm looking forward to a great pair of games Friday...and hopefully I'll be coming back Saturday to watch the Streaks in the Elite 8. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 02:53:03 pm
Who are the best teams with big players left in the tourney?
Guilford's pretty good ... and their center, Tyler Sanborn, is 6'10"/235.  He was former DIII POY Ben Strong's back-up his freshman year, then they started side-by-side during Sanborn's sophomore season.  This season, his junior year, Tyler's really come into his own as a great player.  It certainly helps that Guilford's starting guards, Henson and Bonner, are averaging over 19 and 16 ppg, respectively ... you can't collapse inside on Sanborn because the guards are great outside shooters.

6'10" 235 is big!!  I was concerned that if JCU made it deep, their lack of size could end up hurting them.  Without having seen Guilford, I've only been able to look at their stats.  They look very tough.  As usual, it seems the biggest advantage JCU is going to have is "The System."  I've never seen a team (and I had the pleasure of seeing the Final Four run and the Sweet Sixteen season after it firsthand) buy in like these young guys have this season.  They truly "play to exhaustion" as Moran loves to say like these guys.

Having the home crowd shouldn't hurt either.  I'm looking forward to a great pair of games Friday...and hopefully I'll be coming back Saturday to watch the Streaks in the Elite 8. 
As I posted on the ODAC board, Guilford's had a fair amount of experience defending "the System."  Until this season, Emory & Henry used it for years.  In one memorable game a few years back, Guilford won 148-137 in regulation at E&H when the Wasps attempted 93 three-pointers and the Quakers attempted zero.  What a statistical anomaly!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2009, 02:56:25 pm
Who are the best teams with big players left in the tourney?
Guilford's pretty good ... and their center, Tyler Sanborn, is 6'10"/235.  He was former DIII POY Ben Strong's back-up his freshman year, then they started side-by-side during Sanborn's sophomore season.  This season, his junior year, Tyler's really come into his own as a great player.  It certainly helps that Guilford's starting guards, Henson and Bonner, are averaging over 19 and 16 ppg, respectively ... you can't collapse inside on Sanborn because the guards are great outside shooters.

6'10" 235 is big!!  I was concerned that if JCU made it deep, their lack of size could end up hurting them.  Without having seen Guilford, I've only been able to look at their stats.  They look very tough.  As usual, it seems the biggest advantage JCU is going to have is "The System."  I've never seen a team (and I had the pleasure of seeing the Final Four run and the Sweet Sixteen season after it firsthand) buy in like these young guys have this season.  They truly "play to exhaustion" as Moran loves to say like these guys.

Having the home crowd shouldn't hurt either.  I'm looking forward to a great pair of games Friday...and hopefully I'll be coming back Saturday to watch the Streaks in the Elite 8. 
As I posted on the ODAC board, Guilford's had a fair amount of experience defending "the System."  Until this season, Emory & Henry used it for years.  In one memorable game a few years back, Guilford won 148-137 in regulation at E&H when the Wasps attempted 93 three-pointers and the Quakers attempted zero.  What a statistical anomaly!

JCU doesn't use the Grinnell System; my understanding is that E&H used a modified version of Grinnell's System.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2009, 03:02:29 pm
Yeah, John Carroll's "system" shouldn't be mistaken for The System.

Perhaps required listening for people facing JCU this weekend, my Hoopsville interview with Mike Moran from last month:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/09/hoopsville/moran020509.mp3
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 03:37:59 pm
Yeah, John Carroll's "system" shouldn't be mistaken for The System.

Perhaps required listening for people facing JCU this weekend, my Hoopsville interview with Mike Moran from last month:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/09/hoopsville/moran020509.mp3
Interesting interview.  Thanks.  By looking at their scores and types of shots, I hadn't really confused JCU's platoon system with the Grinnell System, but thanks for the added clarification.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 09, 2009, 05:40:35 pm
Yeah, John Carroll's "system" shouldn't be mistaken for The System.

Perhaps required listening for people facing JCU this weekend, my Hoopsville interview with Mike Moran from last month:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/09/hoopsville/moran020509.mp3
Interesting interview.  Thanks.  By looking at their scores and types of shots, I hadn't really confused JCU's platoon system with the Grinnell System, but thanks for the added clarification.
I would liken JCU's system as more akin to lines in a hockey game.  Moran will ususally substitute five at a time much like a hockey team changing lines.  That's my over simplified version anyways...  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 09:48:16 pm
Yeah, John Carroll's "system" shouldn't be mistaken for The System.

Perhaps required listening for people facing JCU this weekend, my Hoopsville interview with Mike Moran from last month:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/09/hoopsville/moran020509.mp3
Interesting interview.  Thanks.  By looking at their scores and types of shots, I hadn't really confused JCU's platoon system with the Grinnell System, but thanks for the added clarification.
I would liken JCU's system as more akin to lines in a hockey game.  Mora