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Title: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FC News on March 01, 2005, 11:03:19 pm
Daryl - Who was named to the All-Tourney team?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 01, 2005, 11:47:09 pm
FCNEWS - all conference now posted on SLIAC site...  just got posted late today, wasn't there this afternoon.  Djedovich is MOP
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on March 02, 2005, 12:16:06 am
Well there you go FC, its posted. No real suprises to me, with the exception of Luka taking the POY honors, I thought Martin would get that. He was dominating in almost every aspect of the games that I saw him play, and Luka, while an outstanding player, doesnt stick out as dominating as Martin.  

Props to Scott, Kani, and my boy Ace Kotte for making the all conference team, sorry the seasons over fellas, would have love to see you guys put it on Hanover, well atleast theres still an early start at spring break.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FC News on March 02, 2005, 10:51:37 am
Daryl - Send my Congrats to Mr. Watterkotte. It is a well deserved honor. I thought FU's Davis would fair better in selections. I guess playing on a 6th place team hurt any chances as Newcomer. But, conference scoring title is something to build on for next year. I'm not in total agreement with POY either. But then again who else would you have selected. Post season games aren't suppose to count.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: watchdog on March 02, 2005, 12:02:55 pm
SLIAC Men's All-Tournament

Cory Waters, Blackburn, MVP
John Essington, Blackburn
Scott Spinner, Webster
Kaniela Aiona, Webster
Marcus Henderson, Maryville
Chris Watts, Principia

SLIAC Men's All-Conference

First Team:
Luka Djedovic, Blackburn
Brandon Martin, Greenville
Sam Gilman, Principia
Scott Spinner, Webster
Matt Regan, Maryville

Second Team:
Kaniela Aiona, Webster
John Essington, Blackburn
Tucker Fendon, Principia
Antonio Holland, Fontbonne
Cory Waters, Blackburn

Honorable Mention:
John Tegtmeyer, Principia
Kennard Davis, Fontbonne
Steve Waterkotte, Webster
Marcus Henderson, Maryville
Rockie Robinson, MacMurray

Player of the Year: Luka Djedovic, Blackburn
Newcomer of the Year: John Essington, Blackburn
Coach of the Year: Chris Bunch, Webster
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: laptop on March 02, 2005, 10:04:14 pm
I was a bit surprised that Westminster College didn't have at least an honorable mention player.  What is the process and who selects the SLIAC All-Conference Team?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FC News on March 02, 2005, 11:48:56 pm
Coaches nominate their own players for each team and the conference coaches score them on a 1-10 scale. After, 1st team has been selected the process repeats. It could be possible that a coach only nominate one of his players to HM. At which time players from previous teams, not selected, are filtered down. I have know inside knowledge as to WC's situation, but I've seen it happen before.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2005, 07:32:04 am
I view WC as a young team who showed great potential at the end of the season.... no question they will be in the mix next year.  The two kids from Lafayette both played very well against Maryville when I saw them.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: laptop on March 03, 2005, 06:07:32 pm
Thanks FCNews for the explanation of the process for SLIAC All-Conference selection.  I can see how a team could end up without a selection.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on March 04, 2005, 06:59:14 am
Well, appears that the SLIAC continued its post season misery for yet another year.  While I wish I could say I thought the beavers would sneak one out, I cannot.  The beavers rely to heavily on the outside shooting of thier streak shooters, and looking at the box score it appears waters had a terrible night against the panthers.  Luka appeared to have been a non-factor as well. Well its a long wait til next year, cant wait for regular season baseball games to start.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: luvhoops on March 04, 2005, 09:30:22 pm
I wish they could have done it but they just weren't big enough to play the inside game and the shooting streak they were on last Saturday didn't repeat itself.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 23, 2005, 09:40:26 am
Well just so our site doesn't get too stale, I decided to take a look at what each team has coming back, or conversely, what they lost.  This is done primarily from a statistical point of view, as I am reasonably familiar only with Maryville, and didn't even see two or three of the teams this past season.
The assumption I worked with is simple.. if the team roster listed a player as a senior, I assume they are gone, otherwise, I assume they are coming back.

Maryville loses 2 starters, 3rd guard Marcus Henderson and point guard Andrew Hulbert.  Henderson is the team's best 3 point shooter, he'll be missed.  Tim Elwell, a starter two years ago will likely take back the starting point spot.  Also gone will be backup big man Matt Damrell.  Of course the big question is whether Steve Bash can recover from his knee surgery -the conference MVP 2 years ago, he sat this year and was sorely missed - who knows if he'll be able to return to form. 1st team all conference Matt Regan and bench spark Ben Hebl also return along with forwards Jason Rezabeck and Ryan (drives me nuts) Klein.

Pricipia loses 4 starters, first team all conf Sam Gilman, 2nd team all conf Tucker Fendon, and all conf HM John Tegtmeyer, along with James Aimonetti.  That's over 75% of the team's scoring and rebounding  -  if ever a team was looking at rebuilding, it's this one.

Greenville loses first team all conf Brandon Martin and starter Jason Sikma, along with valuable bench players Rod Tucker and Oscar Montecinos - almost half their scoring.  Martin and Sikma were also the two leading rebounders. Leading perimeter shooters Scott Foster and Stuart Spencer return.

Macmurray of press, run, and gun fame returns everyone.  While they were very effective against Maryville, some of the conference teams handled the pressure with ease... so who knows what's in store for next year.  Rockie Robinson is the most impressive of the returnees, but it's hard to get a read on individuals when the "system" is used.

Blackburn was impressive every time I saw them this year, and they lose only 1 senior, Corey Waters, a 2nd team all conference player.  That returns 1st team all conference Luca Djedovic and 2nd teamer John Essington, along with starters Nick Barnett and Todd Stevens.  This team has a great homecourt advantage, plays hard to overcome a lack of size, and seems to be well coached.  They would have to be my pick as preseason favorites if everyone comes back.

Continued on next post
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 23, 2005, 09:42:35 am
Continued from previous post

Fontbonne loses only benchmen Blake Cundiff and Mike Kaemmer.  Returning are High scoring Antonio Holland and Kennard Davis, along with starters Dave Carreno and Andrew Almany.  The returning stats are impressive... this group, if it finds a cohesiveness that seemed to be missing this past season, could challenge for the top. Are there enough shots to keep everyone happy?

Webster loses 3 all conference players from their championship team, Kaniela Aiona, Marshall Newman and Steve Waterkotte... but the returners are impressive with Spinner, Basilio, and Hoggatt.  These guys know how to win, and will have a real dogfight with Blackburn for top gun next year.

Westminster loses four seniors including leading rebounder Matt Leach and 3 point ace Adam Froidl (man did he kill Maryville) along with Brett Krautman and James Pitts.  Though they had a tough season this year, it seems alot of guys got valuable playing time and that they came on strong at the end of the season.

So.. a general venture  from the above..
top 3   Blackburn, Webster, Maryville (especially if Bash recovers)
Middle 3    Fontbonne, Mac, Greenville
Bottom 2 Westminster, Prin

If Bash doesn't recover, there could be a dramatic drop for Maryville - Regan can't do it alone.
of course other factors involve recruiting, transfers (in and out)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FC News on March 24, 2005, 01:24:33 am
Hopefan- Word has it that MU's Bash is still having troubles with the knee. So many kids that find themseleves in his situation are never the same. Let's hope for his sake this doesn't hold true.

Fontbonne does not take losing well. Things will be different next season. The wheels have already started turning and from what I've seen so far it will be a fun season. I hope everybody enjoyed it while it lasted.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 13, 2005, 10:52:12 am
Maryville's schedule for next year is already out; Congrats to coach Rogers for generating another challenging non-conference schedule.  The BIG news is that the Saints open the season with an Exhibition against St Louis U at the Savis Center.  Other non conference tourneys are here in St. Louis vs Hanover and Transy, a tourney at DePauw, and 2 games in Bermuda prior to Christmas, plus games vs future SLIAC member Lincoln Christian, NAIA McKendree and Mo Baptist, and local rival Wash U.  Great preparation for what appears to be a very competitive SLIAC season.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 18, 2005, 05:24:56 am
Also of interest in Maryville's schedule is their conference rotation... They play local rivals Webster first each half, and Fontbonne third. It's a shame neither of the games were later in the rotation when they would be perceived as more meaningful and draw bigger crowds.  The games with Blackburn are in the 6th slot.  I also note that all of the league games are posted as 1:00 Saturdays, and 8:00 Wednesdays, a reversal of last year when the ladies played in those slots.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pete Moss on April 24, 2005, 07:49:36 am
Anyone heard that MacMurray might be getting quite a player for 05-06. Rumor on campus is the player and his parents met with the coach over the week-end. If it's the same player people are talking about - Brady Greene - Mac just took a big step forward. He was an all state football player, but wants to play basketball, and he was terrific in high school and had some D1 looks. I think he went some place else last year to play football. Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 24, 2005, 06:42:11 pm
I found some stories that were on the internet that seem to indicate he was going to go to Rice for football, though his name doesn't appear on their 2004 roster.  He was an AllState DB at Mahomet-Seymour, 6'3", 175 lbs, graduating in 2004.  So it's at least a possibility.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pete Moss on April 26, 2005, 04:24:24 pm
If it's the same kid, and I think it is, I saw him play a few times against teams from Springfield and Champaign. He was very quick, good rebounder and shooter (I think he's lefthanded), and a terrific defender. I think he was an all area player and a two-time all conference player. He should fit right in at Mac. The Mac coach has to be pretty pleased about this. I wonder if he'll be a sophomore or a freshmen, in terms of eligibility?? I would think he'll have a chance to step in and play, considering Mac's record last year?? What does Mac have coming back and how good will they be?? Anyone know who some of the other recruits are for Mac and other SLIAC schools??
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 27, 2005, 04:16:44 am
Pete, if you move up this posts page, I reviewed who each team has returning.  Mac is an interesting situation, because they had NO seniors last year, but because they used the run, press and shoot system, almost everyone played relatively equal minutes and no one had distinguishing stats.  If this kid is athletic, he'll fit in well.
I do know Maryville is pretty excited about their recruits, having verbal commitments from a high scoring local guard and several out of state big men.  I don't want to go into specifics until they show up on campus however.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FC News on May 06, 2005, 10:51:26 am
Well it looks like good things for the SLIAC. I know FC has committments from 12 freshmen to-be already. A 6-10 kid who will be a suprise to most people and two 6-7 players. Add in 3 transfers and things look bright.  
But as Hopefan stated, it is better to keep names and details to a limit until the first day of fall classes.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pete Moss on May 15, 2005, 05:37:59 pm
From Saturday's Bloomington Pantagraph:

"Brady Greene, a 2004 Mahomet-Seymour High School graduate, has made an oral commitment to attend MacMurray College in Jacksonville and play basketball for Coach Darrin DeNeve.

The 6-foot-3 Greene led the Bullodgs in scoring, rebounding, steals and blocked shots his senior season. His 76 steals set a school record."

MacMurray got a good one here. He must be transfering in from another school, but the article didn't mention where. Wonder if he'll play football too?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pete Moss on June 25, 2005, 07:58:15 am
Anyone know of any good high school players who haven't committed yet or made plans to  play college basketball? I would think D3 basketball would be the perfect place for kids to continue, especially those who are just hitting their growth spurt and/or seeing their skills start to develop. Seems like there's a glut of kids between 6'2" and 6'4"  in this conference. Is that just the way it is? Would think a decent size post player who's just coming into his own could do well. But kids have to get in shape, stay in shape, lift weights, make their grades, some of jobs - it still stakes a commitment, whether it's D1 or D3. Hopefully more kids will give it a shot. 30 years from now, they'll wish they had it to do all over again. Will be fun to follow the SLIAC this year. From what I read and hear, there should be a lot more balance from top to bottom. MacMurray may be the surprise, with everyone back and - from what the grapevine is whispering - a very good incoming group of players. Practice starts October 15 - should be fun!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on June 27, 2005, 10:44:52 am
I haven't been following the summer league in St Louis - FCnews, do you know if any team or individuals from the SLIAC have distinguished themselves?  The Maryville summer roster I saw did not include Bash - a sign the knee is not coming along very quickly?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pete Moss on June 28, 2005, 06:30:35 am
Are there any college summer leagues in central and/or southern Illinois for college players? Would be nice to watch some of the kids play, especially those in the SLIAC. Is is too late to put a team together?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on June 28, 2005, 08:34:40 am
I'm only aware of the league in St. Louis - includes 4 SLIAC schools, Wash U, Merrimac Lindenwood and probably 1 or 2 others.  I believe they are already to their playoffs next week.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J-Kidd on June 28, 2005, 12:47:22 pm
anybody heard of any incoming freshmen for greenville college??? how u think the team will be this year???
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pete Moss on June 28, 2005, 02:22:45 pm
Haven't read or heard about Greenville. Heard it from a friend who heard from a friend about the following players headed to MacMurray:
Brady Greene, 6'4", Mahomet-Seymour (transfer);
Adonis Fuller, 5'10", Danville Area Community College (transfer); Jereau Sanders, 6'2", Freeport; Jordan Hoyt, 6'3", Barry; Evan Birch, 6'2", Mason City; Evan Washburn, 6'2", Pana; Nick Schmidt, 6'3", Heyworth; Wes Sapp, 5'10", Bluffs, and Ryan Gordley, 5'8", Jacksonville.

Looks like Mac would be tough in 6'4" and under league. Hope they can recruit a couple of post players. But you wonder with everyone coming back from last year's team how many of these kids will play. Anyone heard of any of these players or know how good they are? Just based on what I could find on the web, I think Greene, Washburn, Birch, and Hoyt will immediately compete for playing time. Any info on the others?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daniel Stahley on July 12, 2005, 10:28:52 am
Since there is little talk about Blackburn i thought i would update the crowd. Looks like Coach K might of gotten a inside presence that has been missing for the last two years.  He will only be eligible for one year but he will more then likely be good enough to lead them to another birth in the NCAA Tourney.  Nearing the end of school rumors through out the school had Essington not coming back and Barnett lacking a semester of eligibility.  It looks like Essington will return but Barnett is still a toss up.  

New recruits i have little knowledge of but i did hear that two of them could of contributed to the team last year.  Without Waters Blackburn is missing the backbone of the team. Hopefully they will find a leader.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pete Moss on August 07, 2005, 07:39:42 am
School's getting ready to start in less than two weeks. Any updates on SLIAC recuits, who's coming back, and who isn't? From what I can tell, just about everyone is keeping their 05-06 previews quiet until practice starts in mid-October. Guess schools really won't know who they have until they lace up their shoes. Do most of the SLIAC teams have JV teams? It seems like most teams have pretty big rosters, so I would think they would play a JV schedule. Against Millikin last season, I saw where MacMurray played 21 guys. That seems like an extraordinary number of players to run in and out. I would think you'd need a traffic cop to keep track of who was in and who was out - more like changing lines in hockey. Wonder how many SLIAC basketball squads have players who also play on the football team? I think MacMurray has one - other schools? Any word on key SLIAC players returning from major injuries, grade issues, transfers, etc? What SLIAC have the best home court facilties and best home crowd support? The worst gyms and least fan support? Lots of questions for a SLIAC rookie!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopie_doopie on August 17, 2005, 08:57:20 pm
 Watch out for MAC.  Another year older, no seniors last year, a good recruiting class, more competition for playing time.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on August 19, 2005, 05:15:47 pm
Competition for playing time??? I thought Mac tries to put asmany guys as they can in one game on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopie_doopie on August 19, 2005, 08:38:41 pm
I think about everyone on Mac's roster played significant minutes in a game last season.  But with the recruits I have seen talked about, if everyone comes back and is eligible, it looks like there could be 27 or 28 on the roster.  They can't play that many, can they?  And so it would seem to me there will be competition for playing time.  Which should mean very competitive practices which may lead to a better team.   :-*

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on August 19, 2005, 10:29:08 pm
You might be surprised with the amount of guys theyll play. We'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on August 20, 2005, 01:17:16 am
Daryl - How was your summer? Everything good in your part of the world? WU will have a different look this year. What's your take on the Gorlocks for the 05-06 season.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on August 22, 2005, 04:54:24 pm
Fontbonne is the only SLIAC school who does not yet have their 2005-06 schedule posted on their site  -  FCNews, can you help out in getting it on the site??
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopie_doopie on August 22, 2005, 10:51:41 pm
How many points will be scored in the Mac Grinnell game?  I'm guessing at least 250 combined, and the possibility of over 30 players seeing action between the 2 teams.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on August 23, 2005, 12:27:24 am
hoopie. . .Im sure the game will be a hoot.

Anyway, My summer was short FC and Im ready to head home but other than that everything is great. I dont have much info on this years WU team, Bunch always has the guys ready so Im sure they will compete this year like previous years.  Ill probably only make the home games this year, but ill be ready for some d3 ball once baseball is over.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on August 23, 2005, 12:34:29 am
Hopefan- There is a change over in the Website. I just finished Fall sports and bball will be up in the next day or two. Couple of games I know, Rockford, William Penn, Franklin, U of Hawaii - Hilo, and of course Wash U. Like I said Sched and Roster in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on August 23, 2005, 11:58:47 pm
Ok folks the FC schedule is up. And, I beleive FC is the first to post this years roster. I guess the rest will come up when everbody is sure after the first day of classes. I'll put this out right now. There will be second semester players possible this year.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pete_moss on August 29, 2005, 03:55:52 pm
I'm repeating an earlier post with an update. Now that school has started, any updates on SLIAC recuits, who's coming back, and who isn't? From what I can tell, just about everyone is keeping their 05-06 previews quiet until practice starts in mid-October. Guess schools really won't know who they have until they lace up their shoes. Do most of the SLIAC teams have JV teams? It seems like most teams have pretty big rosters, so I would think they would play a JV schedule. Against Millikin last season, I saw where MacMurray played 21 guys. That seems like an extraordinary number of players to run in and out. I would think you'd need a traffic cop to keep track of who was in and who was out - more like changing lines in hockey. Any word on key SLIAC players returning from major injuries, grade issues, transfers, etc? What SLIAC teams have the best home court facilties and best home crowd support? The worst gyms and least fan support? Lots of questions for a SLIAC rookie! 
 
 
 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on August 30, 2005, 09:36:36 am
Pete, you ask good questions, wish I was better versed, but can only speak as a Maryville fan of a couple years.  FCnews and Darryl Lloyd have both followed things more closely over the years.. maybe they'll chime in. 
JV teams are have led an inconsistent life if any life at all in the SLIAC.  At the lower end of the D3 spectrum, which is where the SLIAC resides, decent freshmen players contribute immediately.  The big question mark for the upcoming season for Maryville is whether Steve Bash will return - the conference player of the year two years ago for the conference champs, he missed all last season after knee surgery, and Maryville finished as a .500 team in the SLIAC.  As for gyms and crowds, my Maryville program has not drawn well while I've followed them... they get the normal family and faculty fans, but have yet to draw student body enthusiasm due most likely to the high percentage of commuter students.  I've attended games at Greenville and Blackburn and had a blast - small facilities, limited seating, good, loud student support make for a great atmosphere.  I was at the playoffs at Webster last year, and they too have relatively less seating, good atmosphere.  I've seen High school ball at Fontbonne- by far the nicest facility in the SLIAc - don't know how they draw.  Haven't been to Wesminster, Prin or Mac.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on August 31, 2005, 10:13:15 am
Hopefan - FC has had it's roster up for week.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: louis3456 on September 02, 2005, 12:00:07 am
Is Maryville Univerisity a good college to play divison III bball at i am a high school senior and looking for a nice place to continue my career...could you give me some pros and cons of the university.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: welseyanbulldog on September 03, 2005, 11:05:48 pm
who is the new assistant at Greenville???

Where did he come from and or why did he leave??

I see his name is Brent Bond, but I would like to know who the guy is!!!

Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 11, 2005, 10:14:19 am
Bond was at Taylor University (IN) for the last two seasons I believe, before that he was at Ball State.  That's all I know.

To an earlier post.......I think the MAC/Grinnell game will definitely yield a crap load of points, but it will also be low quality, as I think both teams will still struggle to get to double digit wins this season.  Besides being a true basketball fan, I think that brand of basketball is like the WWF compared to real wrestling.  However, I understand why the WWF exists, mainly because the real thing is boring to watch.  That is totally not the case with basketball, as it doesn't need any glitter or gimmicks.  The real thing is plenty good enough.  Like the no defense-track meetish style of ball if you will, everybody has there preference.  But I don't want to hear about the great basketball game that was played at either MAC or Grinnell, because it's not basketball, it's hyped up garbage.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pete_moss on September 11, 2005, 09:56:29 pm
Not sure what you mean by "hyped up garbage." This are young kids and a new coach trying to do the best they with the personnel they have. I'm not familiar with Grinnel's program, but MacMurray's "hyped up garbage" was good enough to beat the regular season conference champions last season, as well as increase the program's win total by nearly 100% from the previous season. For those who are a fan of a classic half-court game with a variety of sets and motion on offense, the run-and-gun doesn't go down well. For those who enjoy a faster-paced, higher scoring game, watching the half-court game for 40 minutes is like rearranging your sock drawer. I do think there's a possibility that MacMurray with concentrate more on half-court defense this year than they did last season, as well as improve their shot selection. The Highlanders have some quality players returning and some pretty good incoming recruits, plus the coach has a year of experience under his belt and knows what worked and didn't work, and who he could play and who couldn't. Without going too far out on a limb, I predict MacMurray will win 12-15 games this season. Remember, these are D3 kids, none of whom are on scholarship, playing the game they love the best way they know how. May hat's off to them, win or lose.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 11, 2005, 11:39:50 pm
Calling it run and gun is totally inaccurate.  Run and gun teams actually attempt to defend for more than 4 seconds, and get the best available shot as fast as possible, whether it takes 3 seconds or 20 seconds, and it's not always a 3.  They don't chuck 80 3's a game and give up wide open layups as fast as possible, so they can hurry up and launch another 3. 

I am not a big fan of the slow classic halfcourt brand, even though I like it better than most fans.  I do like run and gun the best as do most fans and players these days, and Grinnell/MacMurray/Redlands/Tri-State hardly qualify as run and gun.  DO NOT get that mixed up.  It is circus-brand basketball - I mean crap (can't believe I called it basketball).  The game is good enough to entertain without contorting it into a putrid mess of balls and players flying around like headless chickens.

Yes they are DIII players and none are on scholarship, I salute their efforts also.  I just feel bad they are subject to such a debauchery of the game they love.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 11, 2005, 11:50:22 pm
Oh yeah, "hyped up garbage" is garbage that is being advertised as exciting when it is really not.  People get tired of it after the glitter of something new wears off.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on September 12, 2005, 11:27:09 am
I'd just like to add that even though Mac has introduced their "new" style of play, they didn't come close to eclipising any of the conference scoring records last year. Most of which are held by Fontbonne's run and gun style. Also, one of the weekest teams FU has put on the floor in it's existance, beat Mac twice last year. I will say that Mac had way more talent and in a true game of basketball would of probably beat FU both times.

Just my oppinion.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on September 12, 2005, 04:02:18 pm
The good news is we have a choice of what we care to watch and appreciate, and what not to. Simply put, if you don't care for a cetain style of play, stay home. Still not sure what kind of message the "hyped up garbage" smear sends to the nine teams the Highlanders defeated last year, but the focus should now be on the 2005-2006 season. Word on the Mac campus is that changes are in the air.  Good kids coming back, several nice recruits, and a head coach with a year under his belt. The last time I looked at the SLIAC, I didn't see any team resembling any of the great UCLA teams from the past, whether they play half-court, motion, run and gun, run and fun, or shoot when you see daylight. In spite of the earlier attack post, beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, or one man's garbage is another man's treasure. I hope the Highlanders light it up again in 2005-2006, mix in a lot better defense, make a few extra passes, and win more than they lose, which is very possible.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 12, 2005, 08:50:14 pm
"the nine teams that the Highlanders beat last year".......let's see Lincoln Christian, St. Louis Pharmacy, Maryville (MO), Westminster (MO), Greenville, Robert Morris-Springfield to name a few.  I don't think that it's out of line to say that those teams were bad, they wouldn't even argue themselves.

Anyway, you're right, just stay home or go elsewhere if you don't like it.  I'm afraid in this case, more people will eventually be leaving, especially when the win total doesn't change much, and they're still losing to sub-.500 teams by 20 some points.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on September 12, 2005, 10:38:36 pm
TBF and Mac Attack,
  We pretty much wore this topic out to finish off last seasons play, sorry you guys missed the discussion.  Anyway, as I stated awhile back, I think the hack, smack, grab. . . then shoot a three style of ball that Mac plays is (while exciting for some to watch) GARBAGE.  Yes they can score ALOT of points, but alot of times its to their detriment, as they get blown out by 20+ to teams that have less talent, as FC stated. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on September 13, 2005, 07:55:17 am
Boy, you guys just can't let it go. It's like every other team in the SLIAC was Big 10 material with a killer schedule, and Mac was the only team that struggled. The Highlanders did beat Monmouth (12-10), Webster (17-10, 12-2 in SLIAC), and lost by one to Blackburn (18-10, post season SLIAC champion).  You can't have it both ways - if you're going to criticize the Highlanders for their style of play, you should at least give them some respect for playing some of the better teams in the SLIAC tough. They lost five games by less than 10 points, and still finished 9-16, which was a five game improvement from the year before. At least in my opinion, this wasn't bad for a team without one senior, a new head coach, and a completely new system. You can hammer all day and all night about their style of play, which is fair. But by anyone's standards, the team did improve and from the people I talked to, the crowds for home games were much better than they had been - so somebody was having a good time. I guess Mac's strenth of schedule could have been stronger, but as Lou Holtz used to say, at the end of the year, they don't ask you who you played - they ask you how many you won. I checked out some of the other SLIAC schedules and who beat who in 2004-2005, and I don't think anyone qualifies for national consideration. From what I can tell, there were more than a few teams that struggled, some of whom had worse records that MacMurray - but I'm not hearing anyone criticize their "system" - hmmmmmm. I think the real test will be 2005-2006 for the Highlanders. Most everyone returns - although word is a few of last year's players did not come back - and they have some pretty good recruits. Plus the coach has a year under his belt. Not sure if the run, gun, and fun style of play will be the same, but my sense is they will play better defense, pass better, and play under control a little more. We shall see. The key will be continued improvement. I hope everyone does well, and the SLIAC can take a step forward, in terms of gaining some regional respect.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on September 13, 2005, 02:38:55 pm
Mac Attack- I your description of how they will play this year differently, it sounds an awful lot like a run and gun style as oppose to the "System". If that's the case they will stand to improve. If not they can't afford to give up 10-20 dunks as they did against a poor FU team last year that won only six games. Not to mention that the officiating will catch up to that style this year and the opponents FT attempts will rise sharply.

My point was that Mac had always been a very tough team in the past when they played "basketball" and had no problem recruiting quality players. It is not like they were forced into this situation. Teams can score 100+ points consistantly, like FU and Greenville in the past. with out junking up the game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on September 13, 2005, 02:41:05 pm
Daryl - What's your brother and Steve up to these days? Please pass on my regards.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 13, 2005, 09:03:48 pm
Speaking of Fontbonne, how long is McKinney going to linger there?  He pretty much churned out a Joe Pa kinda season in his waning years (no offense to Joe Paterno, he's definitely one of the greatest, but he went a few two many years).  They certainly didn't resemble anything that we are used to seeing from FU.  I hope for everybody's sake, even McKinney, that we don't witness the same thing mentioned above.  It's never good to see a coaching legend wither away (not winning games that is).
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on September 13, 2005, 09:53:06 pm
True Basketball Fan - I wouldn't underestimate Coach McKinney. He still may be the best recruiter the conference has ever seen. Speaking with WU's Coach Bunch at a recent cross country meet. He mentioned FU got two of the Gorlocks prime recruits in the Kirkpatrick kid from W. Frankfort, Ill (6'7), and a tremdous shooting guard from Salem, Mo., McCoy was an All - Stater. Not to mention the walk ins that just seem to show up because of his rep. In most cases it is true to say the game passes them by. This is not the case here. Fontbonne has been playing the run and gun since McKinney started the program, and players like to play for him. Last year was a fluke do to circumstances and this may be the best recruiting class ever at FU. There is still alot of fire in this Coach and no one hates to lose worst than him.

Lingering ? Not yet! Last year was only the second losing season in 35 years of college coaching.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 14, 2005, 03:10:52 pm
Just a question that I asked.............

It appears by your reply above that he's doing just fine and last year was a fluke.  I think that is fantastic, I love old coaches, especially ones who still have enough in the tank to deal with the kids these days AND excell on top of that.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 17, 2005, 08:41:31 am
I heard Stephen Bash is back and healthy from his injury that laid him up last season.  Any early predictions on possible player of the year candidates?  You know who I'm picking.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on September 17, 2005, 12:50:18 pm
I'll take a couple people to watch for, Ryan Kirkpatrick from FU. A true 6'7 post player from West Frankfort, IL., physically very mature, physical type player with extremeley fundementally sound offense and defensive post play. runs the floor well. Larger then Bash but simalar type of player. I'll post later on some of the other newcomers. This is a very talented and deep recruiting class for FU. Has tremendous upside. And as you know, I'll call a a bad FU team bad. But' when I see talent and great kids, I look for good things.

Fontbonne did a good job of scheduling this year. This young team will not be over their heads early and will have a chance to learn how to win. They will get some good tests later in Hawaii before starting conference play.

If you look back to lsat years pre season schedule it was murders row, and could explain why FU lost a lot of winnable games in conference ie; Webster game on the road. That squad never learned to close. A a team has experience winning to know how to "win".

As always just my oppinion!!!

Let's hear from some of the other schools it's time the sliac talks some basketball
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on September 18, 2005, 09:42:41 am
The word from the MacMurray campus is there are several newcomers who could compete for significant playing time for the Highlanders during the 2005-2006 season. Based on what some players are saying about open gym performances, it appears that three players to keep your eyes are Jerreau Sanders (6'3", Freeport, Il.), Evan Birch (6'2", Illini Central) and Brady Greene (6'4", Mahomet-Seymour). Sanders and Greene can play inside and outside, both are super-quick, and maybe most importantly, both are strong rebounders and play aggressive and hard-nosed defense. Birch is a nice shooter and a tough defender and rebounder. With the defection of some of last year's players, Sanders Birch, and Greene may contribute early and often for Coach DeNeve's team. All three were all conference and all area players in high school, and could form the nucleus of improved Highlander teams down the road. More on other recruits as more information becomes available.

MacMurray's non-conference schedule this coming season appears to not be as difficult as last season, which will hopefully lead to a stronger start and a higher level of confidence going into SLIAC play. While much remains to be seen, this may not be the same "style" of play from last season. While still smaller than most teams they will play, MacMurray appears to have significantly upgraded with players who can and will play 94 feet, defend, and rebound. Mix that in with the departure of several of their "shooters" and this may be a team that will still "run," but maybe won't "gun" as much. Make no mistake, the Highlanders will still try to outscore its opponents - but by placing a higher premium on defense, rebounding, and passing to the open man on offense, this might be a team that will become more successful against opponents with equal talant. 12-15 wins are not out of the question if it all comes together.

Mac has a rough first game match up at Millikin, and a later game at Rockford College will be difficult. But the Highlanders should be able to compete in all of their pre-conference games, and hopefully enter SLIAC play on January 7 against Blackburn in much better shape than they did last season.

Midnight Madness for the Highlanders is scheduled for October 15. We'll know much, much more on who's in, who's out, and what to expect soon after that. Good luck to rest of the SLIAC! More on the Mac Attack down the road.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 18, 2005, 11:31:34 am
If what you say is true, mac attack, then you guys are planning on utilizing the talent of the newcomers and returners, and not spoiling it.  I think winning 12-15 is not out of the question, especially if there is some defense being played.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 06, 2005, 09:47:39 pm
October 15 is right around the corner. MacMurray is having a "Midnight Madness" for the players, parents, fans, etc. I'm going to start taking 2-3 naps a day between now and then to be rested for that night. Any other SLIAC basketball teams doing anything like this? Any news on who's back, or isn't coming back? Should be a very good year - looking forward to it!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 07, 2005, 10:10:44 am
Mac Attack - It's good to see a Mac Fan will be posting this year. FU also has Midnight Madness. FU has their roster up and all are ready to go. Let the fun begin.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 12, 2005, 01:21:33 pm
The 2005-2006 MacMurray Highlander preview is up. Good bunch of kids. I think the SLIAC will see a much improved Mac team in 2005-2006. Better defense, better shots, better effort, and an improved all around team. Let the fun begin!

http://www.gomachighlanders.com/athl_m_baskprev.html
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 14, 2005, 09:54:54 am
Just so you know, Mac.

If Mac starts practice tomorrow on the 15th, and they end up playing on Sat.,  Feb. 25 in the SLIAC conference tourney finals, that would be the start of their 20th week of the season, thus in violation of NCAA rules.  The new rule is that DIII teams must complete their regular season in 19 weeks.  With the way the calender year works out, teams must start on the 16th to ensure they don't break this rule. (A week is starting on Sunday and ending on Saturday, starting Saturday would be technically the 1st week, and the next day, Sunday, would be the start of the 2nd week)  Kinda tricky.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopie_doopie on October 15, 2005, 04:27:48 pm
True basketball Fan,
Have you checked Bylaw 17.1.8.d of the NCAA Manual?  Do you know if Mac will practice during Christmas Break?  You really shuld make sure you know what you're talking about, otherwise you could look like a ........  well you know
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 16, 2005, 11:18:45 am
Nice catch, hoopie doopie.  However, I am aware of that bylaw, so watch your finger pointing.  You are exactly right though, I don't know what Mac is doing over the Christmas break, and that would make a difference especially if they are taking more than 7 days in a row off. 

My problem is that I was assuming that they wouldn't take that many days off over Christmas break, as most teams don't.  That's why there A LOT of teams starting on Sunday or Monday, instead of Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopie_doopie on October 16, 2005, 08:56:15 pm
 ;)  I will watch my finger pointing, and which finger I'm pointing!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 16, 2005, 10:23:59 pm
First look at the Highlanders at their "Ball at the Wall" midnight practice Friday night/Saturday morning. I was impressed. Not a big team, but athletic and tough. Returnees who looked good were Hipshir, Compton, Long, and Carroll. Kowa's their biggest player and he will need to step up this year on rebounding and defense. Four freshmen looked good - Sanders, Robertson, Greene and Birch. Sanders and Greene are slashers who can rebound and defend. Robertson is incredibly athletic. Birch can flat out shoot. Looks like Mac will push it and press, much like last season - but I didn't see the "shoot in 10 seconds" approach. They rotated the ball well to the open man, and several times went inside. Shot a lot of 3s but got some lay-ups too. Key will be defense and rebounding, how quickly the freshmen adapt to the style of play, and how well they shoot night in, night out. I think they looked pretty good the first time out, but still a long road ahead. I don't think a post-season tournament birth is out of the question. Had about 200 people there, lots of music, games, and fan participation. Coach DeNeve is doing a good job promoting the basketball program. Hopefully they'll stay healthy and get off to a good start.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 26, 2005, 01:22:35 pm
Now that school has started and basketball practice is more than a week old, what's the word throughout the SLIAC? Would like to know who showed up that wasn't expected, who didn't show up that was expected, thoughts on newcomers at individual schools, prospects on the season, etc? Time to get the SLIAC basketball board jumping!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 02, 2005, 12:03:42 pm
Had a lengthy discussion yesterday regarding Maryville.  They are coming off a scrimmage with Harris Stowe that showed close losses in each half - JVers played a 3rd half.  Many returners from last year including point guard Tim Elwell, 2 guard Ben Hebl, power Forward Ryan Klein, post man  Jason Rezabek.  Matt Regan is still playing soccer.  Steve Bash, MVP of the conference two seasons ago is back from Knee surgery and starting - running the floor well.  Frosh Aaron Steinke STARTED and played well.Other new faces looking good are frosh Matt Baker, Teddy McGrath, and Marcus Vanden Heuvel, transfer Matt McCarthy, and returning from 2 years ago senior Jared Smiddy.  Add to that list several others who contributed to last year's team including Casey Holland, and Mike Turpen.
That's a lot of bodies.  Coach Rogers ran people in and out regularly last year.  I haven't decided whether that will help or hinder this year.
Klein reinjured his shoulder in the scrimmage.  Word has it that there are efforts to configure a special wrap to keep the shoulder "in", but that kind of thing doesn't sound good to me.  Of course, I do remember that  Djedovic from Blacburn played very well wearing some kind of protection for his shoulder last year.
So we get ready for the Billikins, who may start 4 guards and a big postman.  Will be interesting to see if MU can be competitive.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 06, 2005, 07:43:50 pm
MacMurray scrimmages at Eureka Saturday. Chance to get a good look at what could be a much improved Highlander team. Any other SLIAC teams scrimmaging other schools before the season starts?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on November 07, 2005, 01:01:14 am
Does anybody know how Blackburn fared against IWU last week?  I'm pretty sure they played, don't know when exactly.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 07, 2005, 01:03:29 am
TBF, I posted this on CCIW Chat after the scrimmage (Nov. 1)...

IWU defeated Blackburn 97-63 in the two varsity halves this evening.  Scoring was...

Zach Freeman 20
Keelan Amelianovich 17
Adam Dauksas 17
Chris Jones 14
Jason Fisher 12
Steve Schweer 4
Mike McGraw 5
Darius Gant 3
Andrew Freeman  3
Matt Arnold 2


Blackburn hit a 3 to start the 1st Half, but quickly it was 23-7 Titans and never a contest after that.  IWU just had way too much size and athleticism for the Beavers.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 07, 2005, 08:38:43 pm
I noticed in the box score of the Blackburn - Western Illinois game (Blackburn was beaten BIG) That two crucials for them did not play - Essington and Barnett - with Djedovich, I figured they were the team to beat in the SLIAC this season - Where are they?????
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 07, 2005, 09:27:20 pm
Here is that boxscore...

http://www.wiuathletics.com/boxscores/2136a.htm

Western Illinois 80
Blackburn 38

WIU is improving as a program - they're picked to finish 4th in the Mid-Con this season.  Oral Roberts, Valparaiso, and IUPUI are picked ahead of them but the Leathernecks seem to have the "sleeper" tag.  I guess they better be improved - they host Indiana and they play on the road at Kansas!
 
Give the Beavers credit - they scrimmaged the #1 rated team in Division III, played an exhibition vs a DI, and in the non-conference they face Millikin, Wash U., D2 Missouri-St. Louis, and Aurora.  They'll be ready for the SLIAC schedule. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 12, 2005, 06:42:11 pm
Watched MacMurray scrimmage Eurkea today, at Eureka. Highlanders took early lead but gradually fell behind. Lots of substituting for Mac, very little for the Devils. Eureka led 56-36 after first 20 minutes. Second 20 minutes completely different story. Mac's shots started falling and the defensive pressure started wearing down the Devils. Highlanders finished the second 20 minutes ahead 50-30... so it was 86-86 after 40 minutes. Highlanders won the "OT" 13-7. Several players looked good for the Highlanders, including Whalen, Hipshir, Compton, and two freshmen - Greene and Robertson played very well, particularly on defense and rebounding. Robertson led the team in scoring. Mac played five in, five out every two minutes, and played about 20 kids. Although there were a few poor decisions on one pass, one shot for 25 feet, I was impressed with the ball movement and the half court defense. Room for improvement with ball-handling.  Highlanders open next Friday night at Millikin.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 13, 2005, 03:37:17 am
Maryville plays an exhibition vs St Louis U on Monday night at the Savis.

I'd love to see Maryville be competitve; ie within 30, so as to open the eyes of the blind St Louis public to the positives of D3 hoops, but it will be tough. I saw St Louis U vs UMSL and they were good vs a fair D2 team - it could even be more lopsided vs Maryville.

Of more importance to the team is to get pumped for the weekend doubleheader of SLIAC vs HCAC.  It's a major opportunity for SLIAC contenders Maryville and Webster to show off the conference level of play vs Preseason 1-2 teams in the HCAC Transy and Hanover.  Anyone who reads this should drum up business on campus - it'd be great to see some kind of crowd at these games!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 15, 2005, 09:00:49 am
Maryville goes down to SLU in last night's exhibition, 81-52, but what an upper for Maryville!!! 
After a dismal first half, which went worse than I expected as nothing would drop for Maryville, they came back (albeit vs the Billikin Bench players and freshmen) to actually win the 2nd half!  a number of positives bode well :
1) the return of Steve Bash  -  playing as he did two years ago when he was conference MVP, Bash worked his tail off against the larger and quicker Billikins.  time after time he made strong moves to the hole, only to be rejected - those shots won't get blocked at the D3 level - he looked GREAT.
2) Just as impressive was Matt Regan - shot lights out in the 2nd half, but just as impressive was his fearlessness going to the basket - again, a number of shots blocked or altered that will be layups against D3 competition.
3) Ryan Klein played as he did two years ago -when he plays with Bash, he no longer has to be the go to guy, turnovers and forced shots are reduced significantly.  I still feel he has great natural talent and could be a 12-15 pt per game, 8-10 rebound per game player.
4)Depth - bench players looked better than last year - Rezebeck looked solid in the middle and healthy after all the injuries last year - Steinke, McCarthy give the needed added size off the bench.  Elwell and Hebl at guards starting are solid (though will Hebl be of better service off the bench?)  Holland and Turpin flowed into the game nicely last night.

Really looking forward to the weekend games vs Hanover and Transy - will be interesting to see if Maryville (and Webster) can play at that level.

Fellow SLIAC fans - the season starts in 3 Days - does NO ONE SHARE MY ENTHUSIASM??????   Let's get this board cookin'!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 15, 2005, 05:36:40 pm
Mac fans are ready to go!!! Players and coaches have worked very, very hard in the off-season and it shows. This will be a team that plays hard every night, will never quit, and when they shoot well, the Highlanders will be right there at the end. Not a big team, but certainly a team that will play 94 feet for 40 minutes. They will press, they will fast break, and they will score. The defense is MUCH improved, as is the ball movement and rebounding. Lack of size will be a factor, but several newcomers hit the boards hard at both ends of the floor. Look for solid performances from Compton, Whalum, Boyer, Kowa, Hipshir and Eberhart. Rookies to watch are Robertson, Sanders, Greene, Workman, and Birch. Millikin will be a tough first game opponent, but the Highlanders are ready to go "full throttle."
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on November 15, 2005, 08:23:54 pm
"so as to open the eyes of the blind St Louis public to the positives of D3 hoops"

I'm glad someone else recognizes this problem. The SLIAC schools, and the conference, need to be more agressive about garnering media coverage. I'm sure it's an uphill battle, but it's one that needs to be fought.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 15, 2005, 10:49:29 pm
Your SLU and some Wash U, look at the poor coverage UMSL get's and their our D2 local representitive. Could it just be a bad sports publication and media atmoshpere . Fontbonne has tried hard to get it's programs covered.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2005, 09:46:21 am
Thought I'd see who is playing this weekend:

As already mentioned, Webster and Maryville open the weekend with a 1-2 punch of Transy and Hanover from the HCAC.  These could be very good games.  I'm intimidated however after reading TitanQ's praises of Hanover in the CCIW and HCAC rooms.   Any win for the SLIAC teams in these games will be big.

Blackburn and Greenville play in a tourney at Dominican - vs Dominican and Concordia Ill.   I notice the Blackburn Roster and the introductory article on the Blacburn site has no mention of 2nd team all conf guard Essington or leading Rebounder Nick Barnet -two huge hits if they're gone.

Fontbonne plays at a tourney at Moody Bible in Chicago - opening against Milwaukee Engineering.

Westminster hosts their Classic  -facing Hendrix and Rhodes of the SCAC

MacMurray opens at CCIW opponent  Milikin

Principia doesn't get started until the weekend after Thanksgiving.






Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on November 16, 2005, 03:25:01 pm
Hopefan - Hanover is every bit as good as Titan Q notes.  You can always expect Hanover to play tough defense, hit threes and be disciplined on both ends of the court.  Hanover plays bigger and stronger than their size.  Very good in their spacing and positioning under the boards.

Transy is also very good and their recent addition to the HCAC makes that conference a little tougher for everyone in it.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2005, 04:33:30 pm
Funny - all the D3 games I've seen back to when D3 started - I've never seen Hanover or Transy - I look forward to the weekend!  (Note why I haven't seen them - they never played out east in the 70s'; They never played Hope in the 80's, I don't think they played Wash U in the 90's, and I've gotten pretty lazy past 2000)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on November 16, 2005, 06:42:26 pm
Re: local media coverage of SLIAC sports. Not only do we compete with SLU and Wash U, we also compete with Mizzou, Illinois and all the high schools in the area. If Fontbonne has been aggressive in attempting to get its sports covered and been unsuccessful, then things ae even worse than I thought. I'd be interested in hearing the persepctive of the SLIAC conference staff on this matter.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2005, 09:41:30 pm
On the other hand yjaklock, compare the activity on our SLIAC board with the activity on some of the other boards -- CCIW, MWC, MIAA all extremely active - the SLIAC board pales in comparison.  Last season as I remember it, there were only 3 regular posters on the board - a fellow from Webster whom we haven't heard from lately, FCnews, and myself.  I Try to keep things flowing (see how much I've posted since last February) but rarely does anyone chime in.  At least it appears we now have a MacMurray fan in MacAttack, and hopefully yourself.  No one from Blackburn has responded to my questions regarding their missing personnel, and I don't know that we've ever heard from Westminster or Prin.  Once in a blue moon we get a Gville rep.  Do you go to SLIAC games?  If so, write 'em up here this season.  WELCOME
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on November 16, 2005, 10:16:08 pm
Yes, I go to SLIAC games -- mostly Webster. This will be my 5th season. While it's interesting to read the dialogue about what's happening in the conference -- what teams and players are doing well, etc. -- I'm also interested in the bigger picture. The SLIAC is among the weakest D3 athletic conferences in the country, seldom sending a team past the first round of NCAA tournaments. Witness what happened to Fontbonne's volleyball team and Webster's soccer teams last weekend. So what has to happen to get the conference moving up the ladder and onto a more level competitive footing with other conferences around the country? I don't know. Hopefully somebody wiser and more experienced will have some ideas. That's why I wondered in my last post what the SLIAC conference staff might have to say about this.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:26:00 am
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You might actually win something!† ;D

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Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2005, 08:33:32 am
yjaklock - I appreciate your interest in the level of play of the SLIAC - having been around D3 for quite some time, I'd enjoy sharing some thoughts about that.  If you go to the tourney at Maryville this weekend, look for me - I'll wear a Hope sweatshirt, sitting on team side mid court.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on November 17, 2005, 06:40:11 pm
hopefan - My wife and I plan to be there tomorrow night and I will be there Saturday afternoon, likely along with another Webster U fan. I'll look for you. I think I'll be wearing an orange sweatshirt in support of Webster High's football game tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2005, 10:23:57 pm
Will look for you and will be cordial  (even though I'm from Eureka!!!!) :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 18, 2005, 04:05:34 pm
Some posters on the CCIW board are picking MacMurray tonight at Millikin. That's a long-shot - which for the Highlanders usually isn't a problem, if you know what I mean, and I think you do - but it could be semi-close if Mac plays tough half-court defense, doesn't get scorched on the boards, and shoots worth a lick. Mac lost to the Big Blue by 22 last year in Jacksonville, that's some kind of a measuring stick going into tonight's game. Millikin graduated three of its starters, including both guards who were leading scorers. Mac had a few players not return, including leading scorer Rockie Robinson, but my sense is the Highlanders are an improved "team." I'm predicting Mac will start slow from the gate, and get behind by 10-15 early - then make a game of it. If it's under ten with less than five minutes to play, Mac could do it. Regardless, there's no question this is an improved team with a very good chance of a winning record and a legitimate shot at the post-season play-offs. I think it's just going to take a few games for the new players like Robertson, Greene, Birch, Workman, and Sanders to get their feet on the ground and acclimate themselves to the 94-foot game.

Good luck to all SLIAC teams tonight! Stay injury free and get home safe-and-sound.

Go Highlanders!!!

Note: Someone needs to wake up the SID at Mac and get a 2005-2006 team picture on its website, post pictures of all their players, and ditch the picture of LAST YEAR'S" football team on the athletic's home page.......jeeeeeshhhhh.....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 18, 2005, 08:08:11 pm
Hanover 28
Webster 23

After a half of play
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 18, 2005, 09:01:36 pm
Webster 60
Hanover 60

End of Regulation
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 18, 2005, 09:46:31 pm
Hanover by 3 in OT
Close game that could have went either way.  If the Gorloks continue to play like they did tonight it could turn out to be a very nice season.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 19, 2005, 12:15:16 am
Millikin 85   MacMurray 82

Terrific game from start to finish. The difference - Highlanders missed 17 free throws. Mac led the first ten minutes, then fell behind by six. They closed it to one with about three minutes left, and missed a lay-up at the buzzer to end the half. Big Blue led 33-29 at the break. Way too many turnovers for Mac, and they were 6-15 from the FT line in the first 20 minutes. Big Blue was much bigger than Mac, but the Highlanders were tough and held their ground. Millikin led by as much as 12 in the second half, but Mac pulled within one twice down the stretch and had two different chances to take the lead with less than two minutes to play. Compton, Kowa, Downham, and Hipshir played very well. This is a much, much different team than it was a year ago. They play much better defense, they pass the ball much better in the half-court, and their shot selection - with three or four exceptions - was very good. Their full court pressure forced a ton of Millikin turnovers. Mac is still undersized, but they are a tough bunch of kids who never quit tonight. Take my word for it - Millikin was very fortunate to win this game tonight. Hopefully the trip to Grinnell won't take the team backwards, in terms of running and gunning. The SLIAC would have been proud of Mac tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 19, 2005, 12:22:48 am
2 tough losses for the SLIAC teams vs The cream of the crop of the HCAC.
Webster had Hanover dead to rights with a 5 point lead with a minute left, but turned the ball over twice within 20 seconds to give up the lead. A tipin by Webster's Corey Kuhn at the buzzer sent the game to OT, and a 3 pointer by Webster's Tim Timmerman would have sent the game to double OT, but was ruled to come after the buzzer -VERY CLOSE....

Maryville trailed Transy, but close, the whole game, took a lead with 1:35 left, but lost their poise with a turnover and a questionable shot as Transy took advantage to win from the line in the last minute.

Hanover over Webster in OT 71-68
Transy over Maryville 75-69
Maryville played sloppy, but I was most disappointed in the lack of spark from the bench. If Coach Rogers system is to work, we can't have such a drop off on level of play when guys come off the bench. The starters can only go up tempo 25-30  minutes-there's lots of time available for those who play like they want it.  Several guys didn't do it tonite.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on November 19, 2005, 12:40:42 am
I know last year, MacMurray was trying out their own version of the system. Since they opened with it against Wheaton, it caught my memory. The fact that the MacMurray coach came up to me and asked if I was "diehardfan" probably also helped me remember that game more than usual...  :o :D

Arguably, I thought it seemed to helped MacMurray do better recordwise than they had been doing for a while, so I thought they might stick with it.

Tonight's game score against Millikin is "fairly low" for that style of play... I'm curious, MacMurray gave up on fast tempo basketball for good? Did the composition of their team change such that it didn't work? Was it something else? Just curious. Thanks!

 :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 19, 2005, 04:57:20 am
In terms of total points, MacMurray could have easily been in the 90s had they hit a few more free throws and a couple of close in shots. That being said, I think Mac has given up its "fast tempo" game at all. They still play 94 feet from start to finish, still look for the three if they can get it, still press for 40 minutes, and still fast break at every opportunity. I think what's different is the personnel has changed - and the coach has a year of experience under his belt and knows what will and won't work. Two or three of the smaller shooters didn't come back, and were replaced by younger players who are stronger rebounders and defenders, like Robertson, Greene, and Workman. Mac will still points - and look for them to score plenty next Tuesday night at Grinnell. But it seems like this year's team is more adaptable in the half court than last year's team. Still need to cut down on the turnovers, still need to eliminate the breakdowns in defense that lead to lay-ups, and still need to hit free throws. But this is a pretty solid group of kids who should get better and better as the season progresses. Congratulations to the coaching staff and players for a great game last night!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 19, 2005, 12:12:07 pm
FC News   -  You out there???   Can't find a Fontbonne score from Chicago - How'd they do vs MSOE????
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 19, 2005, 12:51:29 pm
Sorry folks finding a comp up here is tough. MSOE beat FC 68-55. MSOE had a D2 transfer guard who scored 26 and that was the game. FC led by 5 at the 10 min mark of the 1st, cut a 16 pt. defficit to 5 with 3 min to go. MSOE would be a sliac top 3. FC was led by Patrict McCoy who had 18 the second half. FC started 1 soph and 4 fr., lot of bright spots. will post more tommorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 19, 2005, 01:30:45 pm
Guess my last post got swallowed.  Anyway.
Hopefan:  The SLIAC site has most the scores up from yesterday, just none of the stats are posted yet.   Looks like none of the SLIAC teams faired well yesterday.  Hopefully Webster can get things going today against Transy.   
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2005, 02:33:49 pm
Looks like none of the SLIAC teams faired well yesterday.

On the contrary, I'd say that the SLIAC fared very well last night. It may not show at first blush, since they were losses, but the tight games that Webster, Maryville, and MacMurray played against the big boys -- the two favorites of the HCAC (including 2005 NCAA Sweet Sixteen entrant Hanover) and a CCIW team -- have to be seen as very encouraging for anyone who follows this conference.

When your league is at the bottom of the power ratings, sometimes close losses against upper-echelon teams (or teams from upper-echelon conferences) can be a bigger achievement than wins against the likes of St. Louis Pharmacy.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 19, 2005, 10:24:11 pm
Greg:
 I agree. I was attempting to quickly point out that no SLIAC team won yesterday.  Ill chose my wording more carefully in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 19, 2005, 10:30:22 pm
Another disappointing afternoon vs the HCAC.

In game one, Transy destroyed Webster by around 30.  I saw little of the game, but this obviously was not the same Webster effort that took Hanover to overtime the previous night.  The one comment I heard was that Webster made Transy slow down the pace to Webster's speed, but got killed anyway.

In game two it was a virtual duplicate for Maryville from the previous night.  Hang on all game trailing 4-6, finally catch them at 2 minutes left, then hand the game to them with an inopportune turnover or bad shot.  Maryville loses to Hanover by 6.
Observation -  the heart is willing, but is the body?  Maryville is playing a fullcourt pressing defense - they do alot of it in the half court too, but unless they get quicker or anticipate better, the good skip pass is leading to wide open 3 point shots - Hanover had to have made at least 10 3 pointers -the looks they are getting are too good  -  NOTE -WE are not getting good looks like that (ie Regan and Hebl are not getting the wide open 3's)
So 3 of the 4 games were excellent, but the SLIAC still comes out 0-4

PS  -Titan Q and IWU fans - this is not the ultra strong big bodied Hanover of the past.  Defend the perimeter and you should be in good shape.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 20, 2005, 01:44:33 am
Hopefan, Regarding Hanover's size, last year's team was "sneaky big."  They started...

Nate Minyard 6-0
Matt Moore 6-0*
Brian Chrin 6-3
Ryan Lanning 6-6*
Tommy Dennis 6-5*

* graduated

Hanover would give up 2-3 inches at most positions to "big" teams like Illinois Wesleyan, but then the game would start and it'd be the Panthers dominating it physically.  I assume 6-4 Ben Lye is now in the starting lineup and he is another example of "sneaky big" - he just plays way bigger and stronger than 6-4.

Because of their style, it seems to me that Hanover rarely blows anyone out...and they are also prone to losing games you really don't expect.  For example, last year Hanover was outstanding - probably one of the top 5 teams in the country - yet a few scores that don't really add on paper...

vs Webster 61-54 (W)
@ Wabash 66-63 (W)
vs Ripon 64-52 (L)
vs Blufton 59-55 (L)
Mount St. Joseph 72-71 (W)
@ Defiance 67-61 (L)
Franklin 68-67

A deliberate, halfcourt oriented squad like Hanover is always going to have a bunch of really ugly games - games where the shots are not falling but because of that great defense they play, games the Panthers are in until the end.  It seems like whether they're playing Blackburn or Illinois Wesleyan, they'll find a way to make the game close. 

A final thought on Hanover is that it sure seems to me their guys excel when the bright lights come on.  I've seen all four IWU/Hanover games the last two years and I can tell those guys absolutely love the "big game" atmosphere.  Sometimes teams like this tend to sleepwalk through the ones they should win...like that loss at home to Blufton last year...or at Defiance.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 20, 2005, 10:00:13 am
Mac's opponent Tuesday night, Grinnell, won at home 136-112 against Cornell. Cornell was 6-19 last year and only won two games on the road, so this didn't appear to be the 1970 UCLA Bruins. Just the same, I hope Mac doesn't attempt to match Grinnell three point shot for three point shot, or the outcome will be the same. Mac can beat this team, and other teams, if they concentrate on tough defense, rebounding, getting good shots (including in the paint scoring), cutting down on turnovers, and hitting their free throws. Based on the Millikin experience, Mac can win this way - but I don't think they can win many shoot outs - i.e. the first team to 100 wins. The Highlanders can be pretty good inside (Kowa, Compton, Robertson, Greene) and out (Hipshir, Downham, Workman, Long) - but it has to be a well-balanced attack. If they revert to a "shoot first, play defense later" mentality, they'll lose games they should win - starting with the Tuesday night game at Grinnell. Looking a little further down the road, Mac's first round game in the IC Tournament, Domincan, has started out 2-0, beating fellow SLIAC members Blackburn 60-46 and Greenville 76-65. Concordia University is also in the IC Tournament, and they're also 2-0, defeating Greenville 60-56 and Blackburn 61-59. IC is 1-0, having defeated Eureka College 91-77.

Go Highlanders!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 20, 2005, 10:02:47 am
"Sneaky big", Bob? Are you going to pull a Pat Riley and patent that phrase? :D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 20, 2005, 10:52:48 am
I've started printing the T-Shirts already!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 20, 2005, 04:46:55 pm
Home where my computer loves me. FC beat Moody Bible 65-61. Bright spots are Fr. Patrick McCoy (Salem, MO.) 22 pts, 6 assists and All Tourney Team. Justin Storandt (Herman, MO.) 20 rebs and 4 blocks( For the weekend 30 rebs., 7 blks and 10 pts per game), a 6'9 fr. playing the 3 spot. Post player Fr. Ryan Kirkpatrick (West Frankfort, IL.) went 10-12 from the feild for the weekend and avg. 8 rebs and 3 blks.

Starting one sophmore and four freshmen, with the first three off the bench being freshmen, this turned out to be a delightful suprise for Griffin Nation.

Along with the freshmen mentioned above look for alot of minutes out of fr. Brian Fogerty 6'5 (Winfeild H.S.)

Bright spot - FC defensively allowed just 64.5 pts per game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 20, 2005, 08:57:24 pm
I was looking at some of the stats from last season and came across the attendance stats. Please tell me these numbers are wrong. For example, it says that Blackburn played 11 home games and drew a total of 290 fans - for an average of 26 per game??? Fontbonne had 12 home games and had a total of 275 - for an average of 23 per game??? Is attendance that low in the SLIAC? That's impossible to believe. I've seen more people at a scholastic bowl meet. Please tell me these numbers are wrong... Millikin had about 1000 at its home game against MacMurray. I realize Decatur is much larger than Carlinville or Jacksonville, but still you would expect students, friends, family, and just general basketball fans in the area to come out...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 20, 2005, 09:39:23 pm
Mac that's average attendance per home game, not total attendance for the season.  Still pretty pitiful, especially at the small town schools where it likely is the only thing going on. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 20, 2005, 10:00:51 pm
That's not the way I read it. It says Blackburn played 11 home games and drew a total of 209 people - for an average of 26 per game. They drew better on the road, and a season average of 178 when you combined home and away games. But the way I read it, Blackburn averaged 26 people per game. Fontbonne 23. Principia 28.  Here's the link. PLEASE tell me I'm wrong. MacMurray was around 150 for home games, which I think is sad considering the size of Jacksonville. But there is another college in Jacksonville, plus the high school plays in a nice conference - but STILL.....

Tell me I'm misreading this....

http://www.sliac.org/mens3/mbasketball/stats/confldrs.htm
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on November 20, 2005, 10:37:35 pm
I've been to enough games over the past 4 years to know that there is probably no one actually counting the number of people in the stands. I would put absolutely no faith in those numbers. It would be nice if someone tried to get a reasonably accurate count at each game. Since the games are free and no one is counting as people enter the gyms, then it should be incumbent upon someone at the scorers table at some point early to mid way through the first half to stand up and count the people as closely as possible. Kind of like trying to take attendance at church. After all, basketball is, as we all know, a religion to some.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 21, 2005, 04:43:48 am
Not an excuse just an observation. Stat Crew, currently used by the SLIAC has the attendance space inside it's program, this is what the NCAA recognized as the offical attendance. Unfortunately, at most schools the stat person does this as work study or because their asked to. Most do not take this question as important part of the games stats. In most cases it is simply 0. This is what throws off the entire years total. I'll estimate FU's hpme attendance at 300 per game and that is pitiful I know.

So what I'm saying is it's better then it looks, but not to great.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2005, 05:30:20 am
Good point by FCNews...perhaps in the situation Mac mentioned, someone did enter attendance, and it only got entered one time during the season.   In Blackburn's situation, I saw Maryville play their on a Saturday afternoon last year, and the place was packed - Meaning 5 rows of bleachers full court and some people at the ends - maybe 400?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2005, 10:46:33 pm
A number of SLIAC games tonite - can't anyone tell us about them?????
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 23, 2005, 06:11:52 am
You know - this room is not an NCAA room, it's an NFAA room - No Fun At All-  Why there isn't anyone related to the conference that has enthusiasm to get involved in D3Hoops .com and talk about SLIAC hoops is beyond me - screw it, I'll just post to myself. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 23, 2005, 07:58:04 am
MacMurray lost at Grinnell, 132-103. Highlanders played hard, like they always do, but  this tells you all you need to know: 3 for 20 three-point shooting in the first half, 3 for 12 in the second half - 6 for 32 on the night. Mix in 38 turnovers and 30 fouls, and you get the picture. Eberhart had 18 points and 15 rebounds, and Robertson had 14 rebounds, but that was about it. Compton, one of Macs better inside players and scorers, was shut-out, and Kowa had three points after a big night at Millikin. The ball was flying around like a pin-ball game, and Mac's better half-court players never really got into the game. Not sure playing 18 players allows anyone to get into the flow of the game, but the flow was more like a tidal wave. Grinnell had a nice crowd and their facility provided a gret atmosphere. Bottom line is when you score 103 points, you need to win. Highlanders have some solid players who can defend, rebound, and score (inside & outside) - and their press is very good. Hopefully this was just a one-time bump in the road, considering the opponent was Grinnell - and Mac can revert to the way they played against Millikin. If they do, 15 wins and a conference tournament berth is still a real possibility.

In the "oh, by the way" category, the game last night saw a new NCAA record set for most rebounds in one game - 137.

We have a good Dominican team to play on Saturday. Need to win that one and get things turned around. Go Highlanders!

Note - other SLIAC finals:

Eureka 64  Westminster 62
McKendree 108  Greenville 69
Wash U 83  Webster 63
Millikin 81  Blackburn 72

Not a great night...

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 23, 2005, 08:22:24 am
Maryville 74   Lincoln Christian 47
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 23, 2005, 10:09:50 am
Correction - Robertson had 14 points (not rebounds) for Mac last night. Pretty good job for the Danville product. The younger players for mac are coming along, but it will take a few more games for them to make the transitioo from high school basketball to college basketball. Another freshman, 6'3" Jereau Sanders, didn't make the trips to Millikin or Grinnell, but he could potentially be terrific.
Better days ahead for the Highlanders!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on November 23, 2005, 05:55:20 pm
hopefan - I went to the Wash U vs Webster game. The score tells the story. There's nothing worth adding. Same was true for the women's game. (Am I allowed to say that here, or do I have to go the Women's Basketball site to post that?)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 23, 2005, 10:21:32 pm
yjaklok - I sent you an email regarding possible attendance of a weekend game - check it out.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 24, 2005, 10:02:27 am
Happy Thanksgiving to all SLIAC posters, players, coaches, parents, and fans. Please travel safely and pace yourself on the turkey, dressing, and pie.

Need to get active posters from all SLIAC schools. Maybe the SIDs at each school can recruit one or two students???

Message to MacMurray SID - time to update the athletics page. Picture of last year's football team on the athletic's home page is getting old. Need to update basketball pictures, as well as update stats after each game, pictures for all players, and update schedule/scores. Not sure how hard this is to do, but just about every other school handles this stuff with ease. MacMurray has some hard-working players and coaches, and their program deserves up-to-date work. Wonder what the athletic director thinks about this???

Big games this week-end for the Highlanders. If they play like they did at Millikin, they can get it turned around real quickly. Go Mac!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2005, 11:16:33 am
Hey Mac  -  way to keep the push on for SLIAC interest.  Hope Mac fares well this weekend.  A couple of us may go over to see Maryville play DePauw on Sunday if they both win their games Saturday!!   The SLIAC sure hasn't started out very well  .   Seems like each of the teams has scheduled at a very competitve level for their respective programs and dropped a number of close games.  Well, it should prepare everyone for a competitive conference schedule, and that's when it really counts!!  Have a good weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J-Kidd on November 25, 2005, 12:36:38 pm
Eh, this is my first time postin on this board, but ima try to post for Greenville since I'm a student up there who goes to all the games.  G-ville did pretty well in the North-South tournament, but lost both games by 10 or 15 points.  Scott Foster won SLIAC player of the week for that week though because he dropped a combined 49 points in those two games.  G-ville played McKendree a few nights ago and had some trouble dealing with the post players of McKendree.  G-ville is having some trouble getting consistent scoring and defense from their post players.  Bryson Taylor has just rejoined the team after he completed football season, so that will be a boost to the squad.  He is a player that can drive to the hoop and score or he can find the open man with a pass.  Him and Foster are good rebounders for guards.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 25, 2005, 02:11:09 pm
Welcome J-Kidd - good to have you!!!   don't worry about the Greenville performance vs McKendree  -  tough for a SLIAC school to be competitive vs a scholarship NAIA school.   The biggest difference in the SLIAC schools vs 5 years ago is that there is a willingness of most of the SLIAcs to schedule tougher games  -  it only can help in the long run.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 25, 2005, 06:18:28 pm
Great to have you on the SLIAC board, J-Kidd!!! I know that Greenville has some tough kids, and they'll be ready for a good run once conference play begins. Mac will have its hands full this week-end with Domincan, and either IC or Concordia. I have a feeling that once the Highlanders can break through with some success, they'll be fine. Still working on blending in some of the younger players with some of the upperclassmen. Just need to cut down on the turnovers, take better shots, shoot a higher free throw percentage, and wait for the freshmen and sophomores to get their legs. Go Mac!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2005, 06:55:02 pm
Short snip - FC stands at 1-2 (should be 2-1). Both losses were to teams with superior players. MSOE has a possible D3 all-american at guard. RMC-Springfeild has quality three man and senior guard who returned after missing S. Ind. game.

FC is starting 2 Soph. and 3 freshmen, first two of the bench are freshmen. A sliac star in the making with Patrick McCoy who is avg. 23 and fr. Justin Storandt is avg. 12 rebounds while playing from the three spot at 6'8. I still say watch for the name Ryan Kirkpatrick. The match up between this freshmen and all sliac Steven Bash will truly be fun.

FC has Rockford and William Penn coming this week.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 26, 2005, 12:53:57 am
Hello J-Kidd, welcome to the SLIAC board.

FC: How do you rate FU's schedule strength against some of the other SLIAC favorites?  How good of teams are MSOE and RMC-Springfield. . . whod FU get the win against?  For me, its hard to tell where each team stands, with Webster and MU playing competitively with Hanover, but Webster getting banged around in the last two games (Transy and WashU), ive had difficulty getting to a few of the games this year so I dont know whats going wrong for them.  Theyve been playing some tough competition and tomorrow doesnt look to get any easier against D1 UT-Martin, hopefully itll be a good learning experience and they can get a win on Wed. against Eureka. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2005, 06:00:52 am
Maryville has a tossup game today vs Manchester - at DePauw tourney in Greencastle.  DePauw plays D'Youville (Buffalo, NY) in second game and should win.  Coaches were disappointed in performance vs Lincoln - playing blanly in the first half likely won't cut it today.  Looking forward to going to Sunday's game - If MU wins today.  I agree with Darryl - certainly no SLIAc team has distinguished themselves above the field yet - Maryville would jump into that catagory with 2 wins this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 26, 2005, 06:50:38 am
SLIAC score from last night - Rhodes 101  Principia 50

Ouch...

We'll see which MacMurray team shows up tonight at the IC Tournament. Dominican is 3-0, including a win over then-22nd ranked Aurora. If we see the Highlander team that played Millikin a week ago, I think Mac can win. If we see the Mac team that played at Grinnell last Tuesday, they'll lose by double-digits. Before long, Mac will need to start getting some consistant performances out of their veteran players, especially Kowa, Boyer, and Hipshir. Through the first two games, it's been a yo-yo. The freshmen and sophomores will be up and down for a while, but the upperclassmen need steady play at both ends. This is still a very solid Mac team that plays extremely hard and is playing much better defense - full court and half court. Just need to work on the "little things" - free throws, ballhandling, better shot selection, and cut down on some unnecessary fouls. I have a feeling that when some freshmen hit their stride, and the veterans start putting up solid numbers night in and night out, this could be a pretty good ballclub. Still a little small, but Mac can "play big." The coach is doing a terrific job bringing everyone along. Should be fun.

Good luck to all SLIAC teams tonight - and GO HIGHLANDERS!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2005, 10:22:51 am
Here is what I wrote last March 23 regarding Prin's outlook for the season:

Principia loses 4 starters, first team all conf Sam Gilman, 2nd team all conf Tucker Fendon, and all conf HM John Tegtmeyer, along with James Aimonetti.  That's over 75% of the team's scoring and rebounding  -  if ever a team was looking at rebuilding, it's this one.

I may have hit that one pretty well
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 26, 2005, 08:16:37 pm
Daryl- MSoE would probably be top 3 SLIAC team one great guard, senior leadership and sliac size. RMC was a loss game for FC should of won. We still have Rockford, Wm. Penn, Franklin and Wash U. before a tough road to Hawaii. I'm saying FC takes the four spot from WC, but BC looks like their having difficulties also.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2005, 11:17:54 pm
Maryville loses close again...to Manchester... reading the play by play, exactly as they lost to Transy and Hanover.  Down one with the ball, they turn it over at 1:20 and give up a layup to go down 3....  come down, miss a three, foul, now down 5 and out of it.   Someone has to make a play at the end of the game.... lots of guys are getting a chance... I saw some different names did some good things....McCarthy, Ahrens, Turpen.... Coach is looking for the right combination...I hope he finds it soon.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 27, 2005, 08:55:08 am
Mac lost a tough one to Domincan, 77-67. Highlanders fell behind early, but had several chances to cut it to four or five late in the first half. Mindless turnovers and ill-timed long distance shots always seem to seep into the Mac attack at crucial times. Mac trailed by about nine at the half. Highlanders came out like a house of fire in the second half and roared back to take a three point lead two different times. But again, a combination of trouble stopped the Highlanders. More turnovers, particularly from point guards, too many "one and done" 25 foot shots, missed free throws, and defensive lapses that led to Dominican lay-ups proved fatal. No one really stood out for Mac. Hipshir played OK, as did Compton, Robertson and Greene. Mac switched to a man-to-man in the second half and it was very effective. And it's encouraging to see games in the 60s and 70s, instead of the 100s. Going back to last year, Mac has lost seven straight. Hate to say it, but our coach has to take a hard look at his personnel - especially three or four of his juniors and seniors - and decide whether or not he's going to ride the season out by giving them 12-15 minutes of time every game. If he sticks with them, and the lack of production continues, it could be another long year. Sorry to say it, but it is what it is. The future of the Mac program rests with Mac's younger players, including three very good freshmen. Mac should have won two of its first three, and most definitely should beat Concordia this afternoon. There's still a lot of basketball left to be played and Mac can still win 15 games and make a post-season appearence. They can do it. Go Highlanders!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mac_support on November 27, 2005, 09:44:35 am
Mac Attack must not have been at the same three games I.  Although I agree with Mac Attack on many of his/her writings, with the exception of Robertson, I have seen nothing to this point that leads to think Mac has ďthree very good freshmanĒ.  I sure wouldnít know who they were.  Junior Dawson Huff had a very good game last night.  Lead the team in scoring and had several rebounds.  Unfortunately, for some reason Macís web page is not working or we could go look at the facts of the game in an unbiased way.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 27, 2005, 10:16:47 am
Everyone is entitled to their on opinion, which is one of the great things about boards like this. Bottom line is MacMurray must play better full court and half court defense, stop fouling so much (Dominican was in the one-and-one) with 15 minutes to play in the second half), cut way down on their turnovers, look for and take higher percentage shots, and get more consistent play from the players who are being counted on to get it done. From what I've seen to date, I'm not sure Mac can be successful over the long haul with players who have a decent game, then disappear for the next three or four games. I'm a huge Highlander fan and have been for years. But it's a 94-foot game - and that includes defense, rebounding, passing, and shot selection. And the way Mac has chosen to play, it demands quickness and athleticism. In terms of the the three freshmen, I possibly miscounted - there are probably four or five. It will take time, but from what I've seen and using an unbiased eye, it looks to me like these kids can run, jump, defend, and score when given the opportunity. One of them hasn't played in a game yet, Jereau Sanders/ They're not gunners, but they look to me like very good athletes who bring with them a pedigree of success. It will take time for them to mature, as anyone would expect - but I'm guessing as the season wears on, we'll see more and more from some of these players. Don't get me wrong - I want everyone of these kids to succeed, particularly the upperclassmen - but unless we start seeing more consistent play, night in and night out, my analysis stands. Go Highlanders!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2005, 06:38:00 pm
Maryville wins easily in the consolation vs D'youville  --  everyone plays including three new starters  ---  Turpen leads all scorers in both games  ---  a good sign, but I don't think that's what it's going to take to beat good teams.  We've got to get people playing to their capabilities  -  hopefully today was a start -  We'll see Wednesday when MU plays another tough one in McKendree  -  they'll need their best players at their best.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 27, 2005, 08:07:54 pm
Concordia 72   MacMurray 68

Tough loss to a team Mac should have beaten. Highlanders led by 10 midway through the first half, but let it slip away. Offense went stone cold for about 12 minutes in the second half, which allowed Concordia to take a 10-12 point lead. Mac made a frantic finish, which included a couple of incredible three-point baskets by Downham. Some missed free throws and 3-4 point blank field goal misses - including a breakaway dunk attempt - sealed Mac's fate. Downham played very well. Robertson had a terrific first half. Cunningham had another nice game on offense. But the three point shot all but disappeared for Mac until the game's last 2-3 minutes, which really hurts when the team takes 20-30 three-point shots. It was clear in this game that two or three of Mac's players who are shooting 3s aren't really three-point shooters. They're solid players who can score - but it looks like they just need to shoot a little closer to the basket. And perhaps the team's best 3-point shooter, Long, didn't play much. Would like to see him get 10-12 shots a night. Mac's kids battled hard inside, but still got hurt in the paint. Wish Mac would double down more on interior passes. Mac had balanced scoring, but unfortunately were sliced up on its half-court defense too many times and their press was pretty ineffective. Too many lay-ups and too many stick-backs. It looked like the coach started to make some line-up and strategic changes in this game. Players are expected to perform at both ends of the floor, and everywhere inbetween. Just because someone scores 10-12 points doesn't mean he's necessarily getting it done - especially if the player(s) he's guarding are getting 10-12 points a night.  The "five in, five out" system was dropped in the second half with semi-productive results, depending on the match-ups. And Mac played a lot of man-to-man defense, which worked very well depending on the personnel in the game at the time. It was fairly obvious which players can guard people in the open court, and who couldn't. A couple of the better man-to-man defenders didn't play much in this game, but my sense is if Mac chooses to play more man-to-man, this will change. Free throw shooting is improving and the turnovers were down (a little bit). Maybe it was just me, but I thought Mac lost its poise a little bit down the stretch. Throwing unnecessary elbows, pushing, stare-downs, and some uncalled for lip didn't improve our chances. A successful team doesn't need to pull that kind of stuff. I was very, very proud of the way Mac battled back today. They never quit. Had the game lasted another two minutes, they might have pulled it out, which is a credit to Mac's heart. Mac had a chance to win three of its four games. They easily could be 2-2, and possibly 3-1 - but they're 0-4. Next up is a Monmouth team that defeated Eureka by 30. Highlanders need some hot hands and a more consistant effort on defense to win this one. They can do it.

Go Highlanders!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 28, 2005, 12:44:25 am
Mac Attack, so far every team that MacMurray has played is a team that they "should have beaten" in your eyes. That's an assertion that has diminishing returns the more that you repeat it. Perhaps you're finding it a little difficult to be objective about them. Believe me, I know all about how easy it is to go looking for a silver lining when your team keeps losing. In fact, I've known that feeling all too well the past few seasons. But a fan can't will his team into being better.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 28, 2005, 07:33:43 am
You're absolutely right, GS. All I can really go on is match-ups, past performances, and a handful of intangibles. When the match-ups fall apart, shots don't fall, the defense breaks down, and Lady Luck looks the other way, it doesn't usually add up to a win. I guess my point was Mac was in a position to win three of the four games with just a few minutes left to play in each game. That being said, I really thought talant-wise, Mac had the best team on the floor against Concordia. And I don't think I was the only person who thought that. But that and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee at the local diner if everyone doesn't do their job. I still believe in the Highlanders and I still believe they can turn it around. We have a very good coach who will pull every string and make every move to right the ship. They have some solid veterans and some promising younger players who will get better. If my credibility takes a hit for still believing in this team takes a hit because of my faith in their ability, so be it. My math may be a little off, but after checking the records, it looks like the four teams Mac has lost to have a combined record of 13-1. And I don't think it will get any easier Wednesday night at Monmouth.

Some bad news. Freshman guard Evan Birch broke his foot in the Dominican game and will be out 6-8 weeks. Although Birch hadn't played much in the early going, he's an outstanding shooter and a tremendous competitor. Hopefully he will heal up and be ready to go as soon as possible.

Go Highlanders!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mac_support on November 28, 2005, 09:06:15 am
Mac Attack, in my opinion you are absolutely right on the money in your evaluation of this MacMurray basketball team.  The one loss in the combined 13-1 record of teams Mac has played was Concordiaís loss Saturday night to Illinois College who by the way won the IC Tournament and is still unbeaten.  A well deserved congratulations to Jerel Robertson for being selected to the All Tournament team.  I still feel that this Mac team has both the belief and desire to work hard and win even with the 0-4 start.  They are well aware that the beating they have taken against the fine teams played thus far will pay big, big dividends come the start of conference play.  Even some of the referees that have officiated some of Macís games thus far, have said Mac will far very good come conference time.

Go Highlanders.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 28, 2005, 11:21:35 am
While Blackburn losing Essington and Barnett has had a big negative impact on their outlook, an even bigger change from what I expected to see has occurred at Fontbonne.   Three double digit starters that I thought would be back seem to have disappeared - Antonio Holland, Kennard Davis, and David Careno.  Curious as to what happened to those guys?   FCnews, can you shed any light? 
 I was checking out the Fontbonne roster and noticed old Buddy Dave Porter's son Scott was listed - nice to see him still playing - the Porters are a great family.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 28, 2005, 12:31:59 pm
Mac Attack and mac_support:  There is nothing wrong with blind devotion to your team, in the SLIAC there is very little of that and I commend you for it, but Sager does have his points as well.  Is Mac getting better, perhaps, I dont know. I have not seen them play.  Here is what I do know.  Both of you were quick to point out the 13-1 record of teams mac has played (its actually 12-2).  Here is a run down of that record of Mac opponents:

Millikin:  (2-0)  Played SLIAC teams Mac (0-4) and Blackburn (0-4)

Grinnell:  (2-0) Played Cornell (0-2) and Mac (0-4)

Dominican:  (4-1)  Played SLIAC teams Blackburn, Greenville (0-3) and Mac.  Also played Aurora (3-2) and  lost to Illinios College (3-0)

Concordia (IL):  (4-1)  Played SLIAC teams Greenville, Blackburn, Mac. North Park(0-3) and lost to Illinios College. 

So the while there competition has a nice 12-2 record it is against teams that are a combined (6-18) with the 6 wins coming from only 2 teams.  That 12-2 record doesnt look as impressive once you do a little more digging does it?  Just a thought.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 28, 2005, 02:37:37 pm
Not quite sure about the blind loyalty tag. That being said, your points are well taken Mr. Lloyd. However, Mac doesn't control the schedules of the teams they play. As they say in the business, it is what it is. As Lou Holtz once said, "At the end of the season, they don't ask you who you played. They want to know how many you won." I'd really like to see Mac climb back to the .500 mark before SLIAC play starts. They would need to win five of the next six to accomplish that, and that might be a tall order. But it could be done, depending on how well the Highlanders shoot and how well they defend in the full and half court - not to mention eliminating a few turnovers. In last year's pre-conference schedule, Mac was 3-7 en route to a 9-16 season record. Looking at the schedule, I think Mac can win at least four (maybe five) of its next six games, which would put them at 4-6 going into the SLIAC opener at home against Blackburn on January 7. I think almost everyone would agree that anything less than that would be major disappointment. They can do it - and it's OK to try and "will a team to victory." To me, that's part of the beauty of cheering on these fine young men. There may come a time when some tough decisions will need to be made, in terms of looking to the future with some of the younger players - and that's one of the toughest times for coaches, players who have been with the program for several years, and parents. But right now, there is still plenty of time to wish, hope, and pray for a successful season. Nothing a hot-shooting night, some air-tight defense, a few less turnovers can't cure...

Go Highlanders!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 28, 2005, 03:06:57 pm
Mac Attack:  nothing negative was meant by the blind loyalty tag, its a feeling I have carried about Webster for a couple years now.  I am confused by your comments concerning Mac not having control over its schedule.  While the players (I am assuming that is what you meant) have no direct control and the schedule is indeed "what it is", the program as a whole most certainly does have control over the teams that are played.  I am not saying anything about the way the program set up the teams they are playing and Im not trying to get into a battle over which SLIAC team is facing the toughest competition. I was merely pointing out the fact that the 12-2 record pointed out by mac_support and yourself is slightly scewed by an abundance of weaker opponents.  That is all.     
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 28, 2005, 04:19:33 pm
Here is the skinny on the three loss starters at FC. Careno, from Miami, FL., was not planning on returning anyway. Family issues at home. Holland decided to explore is professional bball options ( haha), his attitude was a problem all last year and him leaving was by no means a loss.

Davis is the one player I would of liked to seen with this years squad. He was a Financial casualty, just like Arbuthnot last year they get these kids in debt with loans and all. Then purge them for a small amount of out of pocket owed. Kennard had to kids and a family to support and trying to get a degree. Basketball or not you hate to loose this type of kid. Great individual.

But, that being said, I'm willing to gamble a cup of java that FC is playing in the conference tourney. And, that FC has the best freshmen class.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 28, 2005, 04:33:45 pm
I think my point in saying Mac couldn't control the schedule of the teams they were playing was this - your previous post pointed out that despite Macs opponents being a collective 12-2, that record came at the expense of some teams with poor records. All I'm trying to say is MacMuurray couldn't control who Millikin, Grinnell, Dominican, and Concordia scheduled. MacMurray controls its own schdule - but no one elses. So if Millikin, Grinnell, Dominican, and Concordia go 12-2 against teams with poor records, so be it. I don't think anyone compared any of these teams to North Carolina. But 12-2 is 12-2. I'd much rather say my team is 0-4 against teams that are 12-2, than say my team is 0-4 against teams that are 4-8 but they've lost to some great teams...I feel like I'm going around the house to get in the front door.

Now I'm starting to ramble.......
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 28, 2005, 05:24:26 pm
I'd like to toss my two cents in on the schedule topic.

Here goes. I'll be the first to admit that I'd love to see say a sliac - cciw, lmc and hcac challeneges. And, playing top level regional teams is admiralable. If your not competitive with them whats the gain.

Last year FC played a pretty darn good schedule and would of needed it, if hadn't loss 3 key players. But as it was FC had a very young squad, that played extremely hard for coach, it was a deternent to their season. By the loss of close conf. games it proved that young teams need to learn how to win.

I'm not saying that an "ole school Goergetown" schedule is the way to go. But until we get a sliac win in the tourney. And we're not close yet. You really have to look at your schedule as preparing your team for the conf. play. Getting waxed does do a team any good. I've been close to this game a long time and I've never seen any positives come from being blown out by 30 or more. Unless there is a guarntee is involved.

So till the sliac is up to par with some of the Midwest conferences let\s don't over do it with non-conf. schedule disscusions.

Again this year the sliac rep. will get Wash U or the CCIW in the first round and nobody resembles a team to beat either one. Yet.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 28, 2005, 09:06:45 pm
FC: You are right.  Thats why I stated that I wasnt trying to make this a conversation about the strength of schedule of the SLIAC teams and cross-comparisons.  What I was saying, and I still assert this, is that I disagree with the assumption that because the four teams Mac played are 12-2 that is representative of a tough schedule.  It is not a tough schedule, the teams have been beating up on powder puffs, thats all I was saying.  Will these close games help Mac in SLIAC competition, most likely yes. . . but thats not what I was pointing out.  I was saying that the combined record of the teams Mac has been playing really gives no added value to the discussion, nor is it indicative of Mac abilities because they have "played them close". 

Mac Attack: I reread your previous post and had originally misread it, I now understand what you meant.  While I agree with you that Mac has not control over other teams schedule, that is not the point.  The point is that while 12-2 is a good record if you are looking at wins compared to losses, thats about it. It is indicative of absolutely nothing outside of that.  You have to look at who the wins are against and who the losses are against.  If you told me Mac is 0 and 4, but its against teams that are a combined 12-2, it would mean absolutly nothing to me if I was not looking at the teams that those teams were 12-2 against.  If youre not looking at the teams that they are 12-2 against then why does it matter that they even have a 12-2 record, why not just say Mac is 0-4.  If it makes you feel better to say Mac is 0 and 4 against teams that have a combined 12-2 record than so be it, but Ill take it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 28, 2005, 09:14:27 pm
Daryl- My statement was not directed at you personally. There is always discussion about the sliac teams schedules and I was giving my opinion on it.

Saw Ryan Good at the last FC home game. Nice visit. Nice young man. He got to see the McCoy kid that WU lost out in getting go for 28 points.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 28, 2005, 09:26:18 pm
FC: I know it wasnt directed at me, I just felt inclined to respond, since in the past I have been vocal about the strength of SLIAC team schedules.  Its a double edge sword, like you said you dont want to get blown out in preparing for conference competition, but you want to prepare yourself and get an idea of what else is outside the conference as well.  Hopefully one day we'll be able to look at the other conferences at eye level instead of from down here, but right now we are still growing and making some good improvements as far as competition goes. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2005, 06:54:02 am
Thanks FC for the info - I'm anxious to see Fontbonne's "Diaper Dandies" in action.

The SLIAC will hopefully double their season's total of wins tonite, with 4 games that are definitely winnable.   
Fontbonne vs Rockford
Greenville vs Logan Chiro  (are we even allowed to count that as a game?)
Prin vs St Louis Pharma
Blackburn vs Lincoln Christian

Well, a win is a win.....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 29, 2005, 07:47:23 am
Yep...to requote Lou Holtz, when the season is over, they don't ask you who you played...they ask you how many you won. Read where North Carolina has started out 3-0. Of course their wins came against Gardner-Webb, California-Santa Barbara, and Cleveland State - so I guess we need to take that record with a grain of salt...

Where is Logan Chiropractic and what division do they play in? Same with St. Louis College of Pharmacy? Are these four year schools that give a variety of degrees, or something else?

Good luck to all SLIAC teams tonight...

Go Highlanders!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2005, 08:38:23 am
Logan, to my knowledge, is not affiliated with a non NCAA org - at least not the NAIA, the NCCAA, or the USCAA.  I can't even say whether they are a 4 year school, or less, or even more (is a chiro program 6 years?)

St Louis Pharmacy is an NAIA-D2 school
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 29, 2005, 11:54:45 am
Hey Give G Webb their dues they beat Minnesota last night.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 29, 2005, 12:20:43 pm
Mac Attack: I think we can all agree that NC has not proven much at this point, if you want to argue otherwise come back if they beat Illinios and Kentucky, then we can argue D1 basketball if you would like.  Personally Id rather talk D3 ball, but different strokes for different folks.  Right now I will take the NC record with a grain of salt and a side of red potatoes please.  In the Holtz quote, I see the "they" as referring to the ignorant masses, those that are focused only on the W-L ratio and not the true strength of the schedule and other factors that are important.  But thats just one mans opinion, it is open for interpretation.

Hopefan: I know that an friend of mine attended Logan Chiro following her undergraduate studies, Im not sure if this is how everyone attending does it or what type of institution it is, but your right, and I look at games against them as a pep rally, not really much else comes of it.           
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 29, 2005, 12:27:37 pm
Duly noted - congrats to Gardner Webb! And move that into the quality win category for North Carolina...Not sure about the ignorant masses angle. My sense is most athletic directors consider the won-lost category when it comes to contract time for most coaches. The North Carolina example was just that - an example. Sorry if you considered it any more than that...Wins are wins, losses are losses. Slice it any way you wish. I haven't met too many coaches, players, or ADs over the years that took great consolation in quality losses. And I don't think I have heard many of them hang their head because of an ugly win against a lesser opponent. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Go Highlanders!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 29, 2005, 12:48:50 pm
Mac Attack:  Im not downplaying the importance of wins, they are very important, especially when your team is 0-4.  We have digressed from the original content of this discussion, which was that the 12-2 record of Macs opponents is inflated, thats all I was saying.  If a win is a win then Mac might easily be 3-0 if they scheduled STL Pharm, Logan Chiro, and Concordia Seminary, but is that truly indicative of a 3-0 team, do you think that is helpful to them in anyway?  Slice it how you wish, but some wins are more than other wins, and some losses are greater than others.   
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2005, 02:28:42 pm
I certainly think we all agree that intense games against solid competition, even though they may generate losses, is better preparation for conference games than wins vs the likes of Chiro, Pharma, Seminary and Janitorial colleges     :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 29, 2005, 03:21:08 pm
Now your giving janitors everywhere a bad name. FC had a pretty good player from Lutheran South a few years back, Shawn Bradley, who transferred to Logan after his sophmore year. It is a strictly proffessional institute with a five year program. Shawn played on Logan's first team. It was a club sport then and it's a club sport now. Pharmacy is making a quality attempt to upgrade it's athletic program and is NAIA - 2. Nexted years scheduling will be more interesting when the conference goes to 18 games. That leaves 7 non-conf. games, two opening weekend and two on a holiday trip, leaves us with only three games to fill. FC's three will include the Fontbonne Classic which currently has FC, Wash U. and Fisk in it. Add St. Louis Christian, because of reasons long ago discussed, and thats it boys.

Blackburn appears to be a completely different team without Essinger and Barnett. It will be interesting to see how they fair. Coack K always has a team that will play you tough though.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J-Kidd on November 29, 2005, 11:05:57 pm
Eh, whats up with everybudy.  I figured I would fill everybody in on the greenville game tonite.  Greenville played Logan Chiropractic, and Logan showed up to the game with seven players and no coach.  One of the players on the team was doing the player/coach thing.  haha.  Greenville started out the game killing Logan with their press defense but then G-ville started to get sloppy with it and went into halftime with only a 5 pt. lead.  Then, in the second half, G-ville started to do their thing and ended up winning the game about 105-65.  Scott Foster was his usual self, puttin up good scoring numbers.  Ben Hensold did a nice job shooting the ball, and Bryson Taylor was dishing out assists all night.  Freshman Matt Greene did a nice job off the bench and is a good shooter to watch out for.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2005, 11:27:44 pm
Please J-Kidd  I'm sure that most of Greenville's frat teams, or if they don't have frats, their dorm teams, could beat Logan chiropractic.  That Greenville would schedule a game like that is an embarrassment to the SLIAC teams who have upgraded their schedules in the search for respectability. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2005, 11:54:14 pm
As I was looking for scores, I notice that while the D3Hoops site shows the Fontbonne Rockford game as being on the 29th, both the schools' web sites show the game as being tomorrow, the 30th.  Glad i decided to stay home and watch UNC-Illinois....an empty gym at Fontbonne would have been diappointing.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 30, 2005, 12:15:37 am
I noticed that Prin dropped another one, this time to STL Pharm.  Any takers on a Prin not winning a single game this year bet?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J-Kidd on November 30, 2005, 02:22:24 pm
Please Hopefan.  haha.  Why do u think i said that logan showed up to the game with 7 players and no coach.  that should tell u sumpin about the team.  U think i dont know that G-ville would have been better off playing a high school team. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 30, 2005, 04:02:03 pm
FC plays RocKford, in what should be a competitive match up, tonite at 7 pm. If you have nothing else to do on a cold St. Louis wednesday night. Come see a young FC team that I beleive will make some noise in a couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 30, 2005, 09:04:49 pm
Halftime FC45
              RC42
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 30, 2005, 09:42:50 pm
FC: Think those frosh will be around long enough to make some noise?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 30, 2005, 10:03:53 pm
Final Rockford College 86 FC 81
Tale of the tape RC 19-24 from the line the second half, FC 1-1.
FC scored 7 more fgs. made 3 more 3's. FC 45 total rebs. , RC 28 rebs., FC 10 turnovers RC 8. Total fouls FC 21 RC 11, FC never reached the bonus the entire game.

It's starting early. These sliac referees will never get a check from the NIIC conference. We will never get calls like that in Indiana. Why ? Does the sliac home team get screwed by our own conference referees. This is the last time I'll mention the sliac refs. this year. They are just the most pitiful bunch in the nation. And for what they are getting paid we deserve better.

I am done with this we're a lower teir D3 conference and with officiating like this we deserve to be. Something has to change.

For FC Patrict McCoy had 22 pts. (6-12 from 3's) Justin Storandt had 15 pts. and 10 boards.

I'll be glad to go back on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 30, 2005, 10:54:01 pm
With the SLIAC refs its same crap different day.  Its been a problem since. . . well forever.  I dont see it changing anytime soon, ive given up complaining about it. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 30, 2005, 11:41:00 pm
Daryl- This bunch will remain intact. All quality kids, good students and no Dad's.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 30, 2005, 11:42:27 pm
Better news from the west side of town as Maryville defeats McKendree 77-68.
And don't ask the McKendree fans about the officiating - they didn't seem too pleased.
A game like tonite is what keeps you coming back - I said earlier that MU's best players had to begin to play their best if they were going to beat anybody that was GOOD - well, their best players really played well.  It reminded me of some of the great games they played 2 years ago when they won conference.  They really pushed the ball tonight and it benefitted both Matt Regan and Ben Hebl - they need to flow to be effective rather than setting up the offense....   they owe it to Tim Elwell who constantly was beating his man to the middle with the ball, forcing the defense to adjust, and leaving the wings open for Regan and Hebl.  Bash played solid in the middle - he's nowhere near where he was offensively -  but he plays so hard around the basket - kept MCkendrees all NAIA big man Strobe from dominating.  Klein played great around the hole for a half, but started shooting jump shot clangers in the second half - Regan Hebl Klein - all at their best going to the basket.  Another positive was we limited our turnovers - 13 wasn't bad against Mckendree's superior athletes, and at least half of them were from bench players - we've got to get better minutes from our underclassmen, though I will say frosh McGrath makes things happen.
   So anyway, it was fun.  Tough games coming up with Mo Bap and two good teams in Nassau, Wash U after Christmas, then conference.  Let's hope this makes believers out of the guys and we get a couple more wins before conference.
   
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 30, 2005, 11:47:17 pm
Hope:  MU with Bash back and playing good ball can be a scary thing for other SLIAC teams right now, especially in this apparent down season of SLIAC ball. 

FC: I was just bustin your chops.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 30, 2005, 11:59:55 pm
So Fontbonne, Webster and Mac all lose close to decent competition tonite.  I was really hoping tonite would be a turnaround for the conference  :(....  Unfortunately those were exactly the kind of games the SLIAC has to win to earn any respect.   

Sadly Darryl, this may be as down of a year as can be imagined.  It's all the more disappointing because I thought the conference was pretty decent last year - Webster, Blackburn and Prin were all good and Maryville and Fontbonne were capable of beating people, though they rarely did.   and I'm sure Greenville beat chiro last year.....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 01, 2005, 12:28:38 am
Daryl - if you got any elgibility left FC could use a guy to get his moneys worth with the five fouls allowed. I'm starting to think if their going to call them anyway, punish them. Knowing you, you'd make a great hatchet man.

By the way how's your brother and Steve doing.

Kudos to MU. That could be the biggest sliac win since FC's women stopped WU women's streak of 85 wins. Good job saints. As much as I don't look forward to facing him, I'm extremely happy for Steve Bash.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 01, 2005, 01:24:22 am
So Fontbonne, Webster and Mac all lose close to decent competition tonite.  I was really hoping tonite would be a turnaround for the conference  :(....  Unfortunately those were exactly the kind of games the SLIAC has to win to earn any respect.   

Sadly Darryl, this may be as down of a year as can be imagined.  It's all the more disappointing because I thought the conference was pretty decent last year - Webster, Blackburn and Prin were all good and Maryville and Fontbonne were capable of beating people, though they rarely did.   and I'm sure Greenville beat chiro last year.....

I'm a little surprised that you've gone gloom-and-doom tonight, Hopefan. As FCnews said, Maryville's defeat of McKendree is absolutely huge for the SLIAC. Yes, McKendree is down this season -- they're 4-7 and they have some real head-scratching losses -- but they're annually one of the best NAIA-1 teams in the entire midwest. Their head coach, Harry Statham, is the winningest coach in college basketball history with 900 W's in the book; he passed Dean Smith's 880 coaching wins last season to set a new record.

Even in a down year for McKendree, this is the kind of win that should make every SLIAC fan hold his head a little higher.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 01, 2005, 04:13:00 am
Greg, go back to the CCIW board and leave us bottom feeders to dwell in our own self pity. :)

FC:  I'd bring more than the hatchet, more like a chainsaw, Iím not sure there'd be much left of the competition if you left me get hold of them.  Surprisingly Iím not sure if I even got a single foul in my only collegiate (JV) bball game. I'm always afraid Ill really hurt someone when your not supposed to.  Ill leave basketball to those that were meant to play it, I was meant to watch.  My brother and Steven are doing well, thank you for asking. 

We shall have to see about Webster in the conference.  Right now, I dont know what to expect.  Hopefully they can pull together.  Looks like the loss of 3 of 5 starters (2 all conference players) is hurting them right now.  I think they have the talent, they just need to put it together to compete.  0 and 5 isnt looking nice right now.       
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2005, 07:37:26 am
Greg - as my writeup indicated, I was very excited about Maryville's win - I KNOW about Maryville.  What I was saying is that there were 3 other games last night against similar (to SLIAC) level  competition that SLIAC teams couldn't win - That they needed to win.  Doom and Gloom for the conference - YES  - my gosh, we have 4 teams who have yet to win, and only 1 win against an NCAA - D3 team.
We have yet to beat the Concordias, Eurekas, Monmouths and Dominicans that are not exactly the upper crust of Midwest Basketball.   It does not paint a pretty picture, except to say there could be some very entertaining competitve conference games unless Maryville runs away with things - and I don't see that happening.

And despite what Darryl says, you're welcome here any time!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MU fan on December 01, 2005, 09:32:36 am
Hi board, first time posting on the SLIAC!!!  The Maryville game was exciting last night.  Every person hopefan mentioned that had a good game was a senior if anyone noticed.  These guys will pull the Maryville program back up to where it was two years ago when they won conference.  It was a huge thing for Hebl to get his game going because he struggled in all five of the opening games of the year.   When he shoots the ball well, Maryville gets into a constant flow because Bash and Reagan are always so solid.  It is almost expected for them to put up constant numbers.  All of those five seniors played between 23-32 minutes, which is a lot of minutes in Rogers system.

I was kind of down on Mayville early in the year because they haven't looked solid or consistent, but last night was a major glimpse of hope.  If MU can stay consistent as a team, the sliac could be in trouble this year.  It is only the first game they have played this well, so lets see if Rogers can keep them going in the right direction.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2005, 11:19:47 am
good post MUfan - welcome - this site is alot of fun - if you plan on continuing to write, we'll have to introduce ourselves at a game  -  there aren't too many people around to intelligently talk with about the Maryville program.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 01, 2005, 11:23:43 am
Why of course Mr. Sager is always more than welcomed here, I do not know what came over me.  

Welcome MU Fan, right now seems like the team to beat is going to be Maryville,  perhaps if they keep on getting better and more consistent, they can give a tourney team a run for there money, (IF they make it that far).  This early in the season that is a big IF.  Never the less, congrats to MU on the win, hopefully the rest of the SLIAC can rebound and make this season interesting.  
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MU fan on December 01, 2005, 12:24:26 pm
I will be posting from now on.  Just so you have a little bit about my background and you know how biased I might actually be at times, try not to be though.  I was the point guard at Maryville last year and now I announce the games for their saintscast. 

Hopefan, I think I know who you are just from seeing you at our games last year but you should come up and talk to me at the next game.  My name is Andrew Hulbert and I normally sit at mid court announcing the game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 01, 2005, 01:52:56 pm
Daryl - You could be one of FC's annual Mid season pick ups. If I'm not mistaken though, chain saws are only allowed by visiting teams.

Contrary to last nites post there are some bright spots in Griffin world. One freshmen (McCoy) leading the conference in scoring and another (Sorandt) leading in rebounds. Brian Fogerty a 6'5 fr. from Winfeild was shooting 69% from the feild and last nite went 4-5 and added 7 rebounds.

FC usely relaods as opposed to rebuild. But, you can teach an old dog knew tricks. This might be the best freshmen class since coach left Mo Bapt.

One side light to last nites game: Coach McKinney, who is not a stranger to getting a T from time to time, Actually got one last night for saying, and I quote word for word " You are going to force me to go zone or I won't have any players left in the game." This was heard by the table and about 25 fans in the area. Honestly I can't make this kind of stuff up.

Early Picks for Postseason Play:
1. MU - on the strenght of last nites win
2. Webster - well coached and the Hawiian and Spinner still can win games for you.
3. FC - yep I said that
4. tie - Blackburn or Greenville (whoever can hold home court)

There you go pot shots welcome.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 01, 2005, 01:57:50 pm
Reflections on MacMurray's 89-83 loss to Monmouth...

Scots gradually pulled away in first half, and built a lead of 15 minutes into the second half. Highlanders caught fire behind 3-point line, hitting five of seven (Hipshir led the way) to tie the game 80-80 with less the three minutes to play. A series of missed shots and turnovers kept it close down to the wire. Mac only trailed by two with less than 20 seconds, but Scots nailed their free throws to put it away. For the most part, much better performance by Mac. Free throw shooting was terrific (12-14) and turnovers (while still too many at critical times) were down (20). Three-point shooting was as good as could be expected (13-37), but for the night Mac was 29-70 from the field, and that's not going to get it done. Hipshir, Compton, Robertson, and Eberhart all played very well. Half-court defense still suffers from too many breakdowns which lead to lay-ups. The line-up and player rotation continues to change. Looks like the coach is putting more and more emphasis on 94-foot results, which is a good thing. Players can't be one-diminsional or show up every fourth or fifth game. Bottom line is Mac is 0-5. Not good. In four of the five losses, Mac was in a position to win with less than three minutes to play. Highlanders have battled, but come up short each time. Must keep looking ahead and hope for better days. Combined record of the next five opponents is something like 8-18, starting Saturday night against Cornell in Mac's first home game of the season. As I stated earlier, Mac should be favored in four of these games, and could win all five. If Mac can get over the hump and win a few, I think they'll be right in the thick of the SLIAC. I'm horribly biased ("blind allegiance"???) but I see Mac in the post season and possibly winning it all. Tough to make that statement after starting 0-5, but check back with me on this prediction in about a month... Let's hope for the best and continue to support these hard-working young men.

Go Highlanders!

P.S. to MacMurray SID. Time to update stats, pictures, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2005, 02:28:28 pm
mufan... maybe you can set me up for a halftime interview!!!!!!   I'll say hi - though I believe I have a conflict for the Mo Bap game and I'm not going to the islands  (hmmm  -does MU have a spot for the "radio guy" on the trip in their budget?)   I'll have to look forward to WashU and conference.  Incidently,  Coach reads this - we joke about my posts often.  I think you and I could have some good conversations.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MU fan on December 01, 2005, 04:30:20 pm
Nope, no trip to the Bahamas for me.  I was going to go but ended up having to work over that time, so I will be stuck in the office instead of laying in the sun.  Rogers had to make the trip a year after I was done, not fair.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 01, 2005, 10:34:23 pm
Well Greenville beat the chiros, (for which they took a lot of grief on the front page blog), but the phamacists came out and whipped them tonite. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J-Kidd on December 01, 2005, 11:18:04 pm
Yup, Greenville lost to St. Louis Chiropractic today by 3 points.  Newsflash from G-Ville basketball though - Scott Foster, the team's leading returning scorer from last year and leading scorer so far this season will be out for the rest of the season.  There was some off the court issues and he wont suit up for Greenville again.  G-ville was having trouble putting up enough points on the board in the first place, so now some other guys are gonna have to really step it up.  Bryson Taylor, Matt Greene, and Josh Reams did a good job tonite.  Stlcop went 8-14 from the 3pt.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 02, 2005, 01:25:12 am
FC losses to a very mature and physical William Penn team by 15. Not much to say. WM. Penn's maturity was to much for the young Griffins.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 02, 2005, 10:54:56 am
FC:
  No pot shots from me, I havent watched to many games this year though.  Your pre-picks for post season play line Webster against FU in the SLIAC tourney opener, that could be interesting.  If those end up being the top four, anything can happen.  Especially with the inconsistancy of many of these teams.  Still a long season of ball left to play, so right now its to early to tell in my opinion.     
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 02, 2005, 12:53:27 pm
Daryl now is not the time to get politically correct. You must be mellowing in your advanced years.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 02, 2005, 02:21:08 pm
I see Milikin is coming to Webster tomorrow - another great opportunity for a SLIAC team to show they can compete against the next level.  I'd LOVE to see the Gorlocks get a win.   And for gosh sakes push the ball into Hoggitt and the Hawaiian every time down the court!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 02, 2005, 02:33:57 pm
FC: You are correct, I must be losing my mind in my old age.  Its hard to be anything but mellow right now about a 0-5 record (only because I  have yet to see them play).  I still have high hopes for the guys though, and if they can put it all together, I think we will start to see a turn around this weekend at home. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 03, 2005, 11:23:44 am
I know it's pretty early to tag a game as  "make or break," but I think this afternoon's game between Mac and Cornell (0-3) in Jacksonville could fall into that category. At 0-5, Mac desperately needs a win. They have a common opponent - Grinnell, who beat the Highlanders 132-103 and defeated the Rams 136-112. In four of the five games, Mac lost by ten points or less, so they've been "close." And they were in a position to win those four games with less then three minutes to play. Just didn't get it done. Today, that trend needs to change. If Mac continues to shoot 50% or more of its field goal attempts behind the 3-point line, the margin for error is next to zero. From what I've seen, fewer shots - but higher percentage shots - would make a huge difference. But Mac just doesn't have the consistant three-point shooters to live on the edge.  It does have a number of athletes who can create and score inside. Prediction - a win today will propel Mac toward a plus .500 season and a spot in the play-offs. A loss today, especially if it's an ugly loss littered with missed three-point shots and breakdowns in the press and half-court defense, could push Mac deeper into a hole they will have a hard time digging out of. Let's hope for the best. They can do it.

Go Highlanders!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 03, 2005, 08:37:59 pm
Highlanders got it done, defeating Cornell 65-53. Mac led pretty much start to finish. Mac played much smarter, took better shots, cut down on their turnovers, and seemed to be in the flow of the game from the opening tip. Eberhart had a very, very good game at both ends of the floor. So did Robertson. Downham and Whalen did a nice job of moving the ball up the floor. Hipshir and Compton were steady and played well. Still gave up too many baseline lay-ups, and a couple of times Cornell players drove right through the zone unguarded for easy baskets. Not good. The press was next to ineffective, although it did cause a handful of turnovers. Not sure the press is worth the energy spent. Still took three or four mindless 3-pt shots with no one around and no rebounders in site. Looks like the "five in, five out" days are over. Mac went with about 12 guys, and they came in and out in twos and threes. Seemed to work pretty well, although our best long range shooter hardly played. Would have liked to have seen a little more of the other pretty good freshman, but right now it looks like the coach is seeing what he can or can't get out of some upperclassmen, which is fair.  Bottom line is Mac cracked into the win column, with a tough game Monday night at Bobby Morris Springfield. Looks to me like Mac will be pretty good against teams its own size or a little bigger - mainly because they spread the floor better and take it to the basket and can use its athletes to defend in the half court . Against bigger teams, it looks like they'll settle for the 3-pt shot and live on that ledge. Hope this is the first of many wins in 2005-2006. Congrats to Coach DeNeve and the Highlanders!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 04, 2005, 10:19:08 am
Blackburn's win over Eureka is nice, especially considering Webster's recent loss to Eureka, and nice to see Mac get a win (if for no other reason than I don't think Mac Attack could have handled another loss).
         Not much positive elsewhere tho... I went to see Webster  .. wow, they did not resemble the team that played Hanover to  OT two weeks ago.  They need to get it turned around quickly - and I hope they can beat Lincoln Christian next weekend or they could be oh fer going into conference. 
      Fontbonne loses at Franklin, but I see that FCnews favorite frosh Kirkpatrick had a good game, so that helps. 
       Westminster loses to Central (Iowa)- I don't get it with them... they had a lot coming back from last year and finished strong last season... what's happened??
    And Prin.... well they have conference to look forward to in their search for a win
     
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on December 04, 2005, 01:17:24 pm
One thing to realize about Webster is that after Basilio, Spinner, and Roberts, the highest average minutes logged last year by a player in uniform this year is Hoggatt, with 10.7 -- and he's a sophomore. In a sport where experience can be as valuable as talent, that's not a lot of experience. Other SLIAC teams may be in the same boat, but I'm not sure, as I'm as familiar with them. Maryville seems to be the most experienced team this year.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 05, 2005, 07:30:14 am
MacMurray returns 10 players who averaged 11 minutes or more from last year's team. Of course that number is skewed by the fact the Highlanders ran the five, five out system and a lot of kids played every game - so not sure how realistic that number is. That being said, Mac does return quite a few players who "contributed" in 2004-2005.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 05, 2005, 04:18:09 pm
Back from a long weekend. Yes Ryan Kirkpatrick had a break out game 18 pts and 8 boards. This is what Griffin nation has been waiting for. Due to cold shooting FC was down big early. The young Griffins got under 8 pts twice in the late going, but Frnaklin (3-1) did what good teams do, found the answer down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 05, 2005, 11:26:54 pm
FC 89 Concordia - Stl 69

First off Kudos to the Concordia coaching staff! Most athletic and fundementally sound Seminary team I've seen in some years.

That being said this was a game the Young Griffin's needed. FC was led by McCoy 23 (5-8 3pt). FC had 5 in double figures and eveyone scored. Ryan Kirkpatrick had 12 pts (6-8 fg) and 8 boards and 4 blocks in only 22 minutes, Brian Fogerty was 6-9 from the feild for 14 pts and 6 boards in 23 minutes. FC shot 11-23 from beyond the arc. The Preachers opened the game pressing. Mac Fans -" if you try to press this years Griffin squad it will be the same results as last year". FC is 6'8, 6'7, 6'5 and all will finish strong.

One down note FC got a little lacks defensively late in this one. The Preachers were 7-16 from 3's.

Saw the future of Fontbonne BBall and it is bright.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 06, 2005, 12:07:50 am
Bobby Morris-Springfield 96   MacMurray 81

Pretty tough to take. This Mac team needs to win when it scores 81 points. Highlanders led by seven early, but Morris' height and strength advantage took its toll as the game wore on. Eberhart and Downham played their hearts out and kept us in the game. Everybody else was pretty much in and out. Hipshir knocked down some 3s that brought us back, but collectively, it was too little, too late. Looked good for 2-3 minutes, then a rash of forced shots, turnovers, and poor defense erased any progress we had made. Mac was down by about 15 late in the first half, then closed with a rush to trail by five at the break. Morris opened it back up to about 12-14, then Mac closed it to four again with about ten minutes to play. That's when our half-court defense fell completely apart, and we were murdered on the boards at both ends. Then the press broke down and Morris got some breakaway slams and that's all she wrote. Highlanders played very hard, but the bottom line is if this team doesn't improve its half-court defense, it won't win many more games. We continually give up the baseline, don't fight through screens, don't rotate to the weakside for help, and rarely block out. With Mac's lack of size, the defense must work like a finely tuned piano. Right now, in my opinion, our defense is horribly out of tune. And what's really interesting is there doesn't seem to be any penalty for not playing tough, hard-nosed defense every time down the floor. We break down, give up a lay-up or uncontested 10 footer, and hardly a word is spoken. Some of our shooters are very casual  defenders and seem to operate that way without a worry, and our slashers and best rebounders and defenders don't play much. Why some these kids aren't playing more is a growing mystery. If the Highlanders were 6-1, it would be different. But 1-6 against a fairly weak non-conference schedule is pretty hard to defend. Not really sure where all of this is going to lead, but my sense is the time will soon come when something will have to change. This can't continue.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on December 06, 2005, 11:23:49 am
I would like to suggest Jacksonville area fans put December 17th on your calendar when Illinois College hosts D3hoops #1 Illinois Wesleyan University.  A good opportunity for area fans to see a top ranked team from an outstanding college basketball program.

The IWU Titans travel with a large and loyal fan base (998 average per away game 1975 average per home game this season) which will most likely exceed the average 333 fans attending IC games this season to date (source IC website).
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2005, 01:52:57 pm
To FCnews  -  the question arose on the multiregional page if Fontbonne's game vs Concordia actually counts in Fontbonne's record, or is it an exhibition game?  The writer states Concordia is a Seminary - ie graduate school only, and therefore would not count as an official game....  Do you know?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 06, 2005, 04:11:42 pm
Hope fan  -  good question! Not that it makes a whole lot of diff now. Concordia used to have an NAIA (or maybe NLSAA) affiliate years back. The statement they are just a Grad school is incorrect. Do to proximity I know of several kids that are there to get their four year degree. I do know that next year FC's schedule includes 2 exhibition games St. Louis Christian and Concordia. This is do to the reduced non- conf. schedules.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 06, 2005, 10:05:12 pm
FCnews  -  the below quote from Warren Thompson--


Not to pick a nit, but a quick search of the Concordia Web-site shows only graduate degree programs, from M.Div to D.Min to MA to PhD. Also, they have a graduate deaconess program for women; the LCMS does not ordain the ladies.

He is questioning that you say there are undergrads??
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J-Kidd on December 06, 2005, 11:10:54 pm
Eh, jus figured i would give the update on G-ville.  They played Eureka College earlier tonite and looked very good in the first half.  The press defense was forcing a lot of turnovers and confusion for Eureka, and G-ville was hitting their shots.  G-ville took a 10 pt. lead into halftime.  The second half was a complete different story.  Eureka seemed to figure out the press and beat it easily, and G-ville went through several long stretches where they couldnt put any points on the board.  Those chunks of several minutes without buckets has been a problem of G-ville for most of the season.  Eureka ended up winning the game 84-74.  Eureka hit their free throws at the end and that sealed the deal.  Starting point guard Bryson Taylor and backup shooting guard George Atchison were held out of the game for G-ville due to coach's decision.  Thats it.  Get at me with any questions or whatever.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 06, 2005, 11:59:54 pm
Someone can spend a whole lot more time doing that research then I will. I stand corrected! I am still missing the point. What difference does it make. Their the same team that played Webster in the past. Your point is ?

FC beat St' Louis Christian (8-3) tonite 82-53. The same STL Christian that beat School of Pharmacy( for comparison purposes only ). Fc was lead by McCoy with 23 (3-6 3's) and 5 assists 7steals. Ryan Kirkpartrick had 18 (9-13) and 9 boards, Justin Storandt had 12 (6-9) and 6 boards, Brian Fogerty had 8 pts and  4 rebs in 15 min. FC held STLC to 35% fg and 1-11 from 3's. Much better defensive effort.

Note: All four are freshmen

Next Up Licoln Christain
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 07, 2005, 03:25:42 pm
FC: I think Hopefan was asking if the win is part of the official record for Fontbonne, nothing more.  I dont think he was implying that it was a weak win, rather just questioning the ruling on the record.  I remember Webster used to wipe the floor with the seminary kids years back, but the last time they played (Webster still won easily) but Concordia was a much improved team.  These fish appear to be performing well for FC, Good luck to you guys the rest of the way. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 07, 2005, 03:55:10 pm
Thanks DL. - It's a fun season. Record could be better, but a good bunch of kids. FC has a winnable Lincoln Christian then things turn, Wash U - Hilo - Cal St.- Monnterray. Then Jan. brings hope. I do think by Feb. win Conference Tournament time starts these freshmen will have to accounted for. If they start beleiving they can win ( and several sliac teams will help that ) then watch out.
The size is there to compete with any sliac school. Scoring should not be a problem. Hopes are for this team to lead the sliac in overall rebounding. The big question mark remains "Maturity", and only playing will help that. No news on the semester break waiver wires to talk about, yet.

All I want for Christmas is a 25 year old point guard ( haha )
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on December 07, 2005, 07:19:33 pm
I'm sure the folks who operate this website can give a definitive answer to the question of whether or not games played against Concordia Seminary count in the official records of the D3 schools they play. My understanding is that D3 schools are allowed a total of 25 regular season games beginning with the first date in November that it is permissible by NCAA rules for D3 schools to begin regular season play and ending with the last date of the regular season. If a D3 school plays Concordia Seminary (or any other non D3 opponent) in that time period, then those games count against the 25 games allowed. This is my 5th season around here.  In the other years that SLIAC schools have played Concordia Seminary during the regular season the game has been counted in the won-loss record of the SLIAC school.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2005, 06:59:57 pm
Slow week in the SLIAC this past week and this coming week, guess the regular writers have little to talk about.  I am interested to see if Fontbonne's youngsters and MacMurray can continue the SLIAC's dominance of Lincoln Christian -  only Prin lost to them.  Maryville faces a tough task on Thursday at Mo Bap - will be a good game if they play as well as they did in the 2nd half vs McKendree.  Blackburn vs Robert Morris is also a good measuring stick...RM is coming off a 2 point win over Milikin, who beat Webster badly.  Next Saturday's games are tough ones, as Blackburn and Fontbonne serve as presents under the tree for UMSL and Wash U, While Westminster and Mac should be competitive in games with North Park and Central (Iowa). 
Saw IWU clobber Wash U - hard to imagine our SLIAC champ, or a SLIAC all star team for that matter, matched up against IWU in March.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2005, 07:40:56 pm
The Robert Morris that Blackburn will face is RMC-Springfield, of course, not RMC-Chicago. A SLIAC all-star team would have a lot of trouble with the Eagles from the main RMC campus in Chicago as well. They're 11-1 and ranked sixth in NAIA-1.

Missouri Baptist, by the way, is 10-3 and ranked fourteenth in NAIA-1.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 11, 2005, 07:50:33 pm
Pre - Christmas Look at the SLIAC
1. Maryville, on the the strength of it's win over McKendree, looks like the team to beat.
2. Webster with Basillio and Spinner will get it's share of wins.
3-4-5. Blackburn is having a hard time scoring points ( held 3 times for less then 52 ), looking for any semester changes here. Westminister, though talented, can't seem to win a game. FC will have to wait and see how fast these pups grow. Lincoln Christian , tommorrow,  followed by Wash U. and two D-2 match ups in Hawaii.
6. Mac - who really knows which team will show and what style will they play.
7. Greenville's off the court problems have brought this team to it's knees.
8. Principia is back to being Prin.

Just my observations.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 12, 2005, 10:52:46 pm
FC 72 LC 71 - Poorly played and bad decisions leads to FC winning on Brian Fogerty's basket with 8 secs. to play. FC lead by double digits till the final four minutes. Patrick McCoy, playing on an ankle that he rolled in practice Saturday, led FC with 22 (7-13 3pt), Fogerty 19, Almany 12 (4-9 3's), Kirkpatrick 16 and 8.

A Win is a Win ? Last nights game had the feel of a conference road game (which it will be next year). FC shot 8 free throws to LC's 20, horribly called game. Just when you thought you've seen it all a couple of SLIAC officating brothers flash back from the past. Are we really that desperate for officals?

As bad as last night was it proved some points of interest. Let me say now, before some one else does, FC should of won by 25. But, the last 30 seconds proved this young team could find away to win. LC doubled McCoy and the ball got into Fogerty, who finished strong to the basket, for the winner. Good thing Brian is a strong kid, he got just hammered by LC trying to prevent the basket, but no call. This team could not win the close ones last year. McCoy can and will play with an injury. You never know how that will effect kids.

A big positive was the 3 point shooting of Fontbonne. That was not existant last year. McCoy and Almany combined to go 11-22 from behind the arc. This compares to the King and Fisher and Grasle days. I'm not comparing players, just results. Shooting like this will prevent teams from zoning the Griffins and open up the end side to the big men.

Three tough road games face FC now. A rough afternoon meeting with Wash U. saturday. Then two D-2 opponents at Hilo, before returning home for Greenville and the sliac grind.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 15, 2005, 07:03:31 am
Mac 96   Lincoln Christian 67

Highlanders played very well. Lincoln Christian didn't. Nice to see some different kids get a chance for Mac, and show themselves and the coaches what they can do with increased minutes. Lincoln didn't play much defense, and Mac had enough talented players who could run up and down the floor and get it done. Had it been a boxing match, it would have been stopped in the third round. Noticed one of their best freshmen wasn't dressed out. Hope everything is OK with the player, as he is a key to Mac's future success. Lincoln Christian lost to Maryville by 37, lost to Blackburn by 32,  beat Principia by 5, and lost to Fontbonne by 1. You get the picture. Coming into the game, Lincoln Christian was 1-7, so this wasn't a "measuring stick" game for Mac. Saturday against the Central Dutch will tell us a lot more. Until Mac can beat someone with a winning record, the jury is still out. That being said, I still believe the Highlanders have an excellent shot at the post-season tournament and possibly a league title.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: thebeav on December 15, 2005, 11:05:34 am
This is my first post, and I have decided that Blackburn needs a supporter on this page also. I have been in close contact with Beaver Basketball the past 4 years. Since there has been a lack of coverage on the Beavers this year I'll try to sum up what's been taking place this far. BC entered the season with high expectations following last years run to the NCAA. Nick Barnett was ruled to not have eligibility left to play basketball in the second semester and John Essington had to leave at semester also so neither played the first semester. The Beavers are, as usuall, a guard oriented team but even more than last year. Lack of a true post presence hurts more on offense than defense. Djedovich and Stevens still firing 3's with success w/out as much space as last year due to lack of inside game and Essington's penetration. Newcommers Zeb Hamilton (JuCo) and Zack Allen (JuCo)are major contributors. Hamilton is a slashing athletic 3 (playing 4 & 5 for Beavers) yet is shooting a tremendous amount of threes when he can get to the rim if he wants. Allen is now running the show and very good at this aspect. Many more assits than turnovers. Team will live and die by the three...if they're on no one in conference will beat them (see Eureka game) but if they're slightly off it could be a long season (Wash U). Hopefully I can add to the SLIAC discussion throughout the year.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2005, 11:50:02 am
beav -welcome, great writeup - hope we'll hear from you often.  I know what you mean about the inconsistancy Blackburn is showing - I've seen lots of it from Webster and Maryville too.   I really feel that the conference race could go any direction, so January/February should be a blast.  Maryville's experience should rate them a favorite, but as you say, if Blackburn, Webster, Mac, Fontbonne bring there A game, they are all capable of challenging too.  If Maryville doesn't pull away, I think the winner of the conference could have 4, maybe even 5 losses.  Looking forward to Blackburn - Maryville matches-  Djedovic kills us!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: thebeav on December 15, 2005, 01:10:37 pm
I would like to see how everyone feels at the break period of the season. Who seems to be the top contenders? I will start at the bottom and work my way up. It seems obvious, unless mid-season transfers, that GC and PU will be battling for 2nd to last place. I have a feeling Westminster will get it together at some point and notch some solid SLIAC wins. The fourth place, and tourney spot, will be between WU and Mac, these seem like two evenly matched teams and it will be a close call to which one gets the bid to the Conference tourney. At this moment I'd pick BC as the 3rd seed but they could bump all the way to the top once the team gets use to playing w/ each other under Coack K's motion offense.  FU is in the second slot w/ newcommers leading the way, if they mature in SLIAC play they will be tough for anyone to beat. MU seems to be the leading contender at the moment...big win vs. a down McKendree team but still a solid team for any SLIAC school to beat. I would like to add that I have read through the 15 pages of posts and I am not thrilled w/ the Beaver bashing! Granted, this is a new season but the treatment BC received after winning the conference tournament seemed a bit harsh. They were the only team that was not beaten by a conference team twice. Beat WU twice, once at WU. The only win Webster had was due to a horrible start by BC and a Djedovic injury. Additionaly, those who bashed the Beavers losing in the tourney should know...I went to the game at Hanover...BC was up by 8 w/ 5 mins. left in the first half when Essington severly sprained his ankle and the lead disappeared only after that. With Coach K at the helm running his offense and 3's firing all over the place BC could be a handful for conference teams and possible NCAA opponents once again. Oh and by the way...I'm not bias! haha
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 15, 2005, 03:32:05 pm
Beav - "Bias" is welcomed, if you weren't we wouldn't have you here. Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 15, 2005, 09:53:58 pm
Welcome to the SLIAC board beav.  As FC said bias is always welcome here, makes it more fun that way.  Sorry to hear your not thrilled with the beaver bashing (although I have yet to find a post I would call that).  As a blackburn fan of course you felt some posters sentiments regarding BC's SLIAC tourney win over WU were "a bit harsh." The fact is they won the tourney game over Webster with some hot hands, and got squashed by Hanover.  Anyway you look at it a 20 point loss is a thumping, plain and simple.  As you stated the 3's firing all over the place can come back and hurt BC on nights their shots arent falling, especially with no post game (as it seemed to last year in the NCAA).  Itll be interesting to see how BC handles the post games of MU (Bash) and WU (Hoggatt) without Barnett.         
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 15, 2005, 10:11:36 pm
Daryl - I'll add FC's Kirkpatrick to that list BC will have trouble with. Beav I can't say it was all bashing, but maybe some hoping that the sliac could send the team with the best chance to win. Last year the would of been WU and their overall size and attack. Again this year, any game at the Beav Dome or with Luka in it, BC has a chance to win. It just seems now that the Beavers will have to be on from the outside every night.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: thebeav on December 15, 2005, 10:29:25 pm
I will have to agree with you guys on that point. Even with my heart lying with the Beavers a lack of any inside presence will be hard to over come. There was hope in the off season of gaining a 6'8" beast in the post but he choose to not play basketball. I would like to counter the accusation that the only reason BC beat WU in the tourney was because of hot hands...Luka didn't even make the All-Tourney team and Essington was not shooting well either. As I said in the previous post the game vs. Hanover was much different w/ Essington in the lineup for the first 20 mins. The "thumping" took place only after the Beavers lost their point guard (remember BC was +8 at the time of the injury). So if you can say if you took Spinner out of WU lineup against Hanover and they still would've had a better chance to beat Hanover than I concede the point! But enough of last year, BC will have a tough road to haul w/ Bash (even if he's not back to POY level), WU biggins, as well as Fontbonne. However, I will put BC's four guards against anyone elses and see the outcome....only if it was 4-on-4! Haha 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MU fan on December 15, 2005, 10:56:38 pm
Hey everyone, just got back from the Maryville game against MO BAP.  MO BAP is ranked #11 in NAIA division 1.  Maryville wins in overtime!!!!  Kind of a sloppy game and poorly officated but Maryville pushed the tempo and played right around 15 guys during the game.  Turpin continued to shoot the ball well.  I think his final stats from the three point line were 7 for 9.  He had to finish with about 25 pts.  Bash played another tough game.  Battled an all-american big man and held his own.  The game was back and forth but Maryville had the lead by 7 with 2 minutes left in regulation. Kind of gave it away with some tournovers and forced shots.  They got it to overtime though and Hebl, Bash, and Turpin were the difference on the offensive end in overtime. 

Maryville showing two games in a row that they can battle with two pretty good scholarship teams.  In both games the Saints did not press at all.  They played tough half court man and pushed the ball off of solid defense and tournovers.  They still created an uptempo game and continue to rotate players in and out. 

Maryville heads off to the Bahamas to play two games and when they come back they play Wash U.  After that they head into conference play.  Should be interesting to see how they play against Wash U.  That could be a big win for them for a region win and could continue to be a momentum builder as they head into conference to play Webster.  I wasn't impressed with Maryville's ability to take care of the ball this game but they were playing against some very good athletes.  They found a way to win against good competition though, something they weren't doing at the begining of the year.   

Mabye the two biggest wins for Maryville since Rogers has been here!!!!!!!!

All has to do with senior leadership.  They have an old squad with young talent.  That can be a dangerous combination.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2005, 11:08:22 pm
Wow -   Wow  -  Wow, Wow, Wow

Maryville 86  Mo Bap 83 in ot

So much to tell about - obviously from the Maryville point of view  -  but first - this was just a great totally intense game for both teams - the officials established that anything goes around the basket, and the game was totally physical, but BOTH teams played clean  -  hard hits, but pick em up and no smart guy talk  -  it was the way two good guy teams should play.

Maryville won with terrific 3 point shooting from Mike Turpin (7 3 pointers) and Ben Hebl, the heart of a lion from Steve Bash -rebounds and hoops around the basket, an unbelievable effort from Tim Elwell aginst Mo Baps very strong point guard, and strong efforts from unsung frosh Aaron Steinke (looking like a real college player for the first time) and soph Ben Arand (experimental point guard).
Note no mention of Ryan Klein and Matt Regan, both of whom were saddled with fouls most of the game.

Mo Bap jumped out to an early lead, Maryville caught em, and Mo bap went back ahead by 5 at half.  Maryville was up 5 by with a minute, but a 3 pointer by Mo bap, and out of control charge by MU, and 2 foulshots tied it with 30 seconds. MU didn't score and Mo Bap had the ball with 4 seconds left, but couldn't get a shot off.  Huge 3 by Hebl, a fast break layup, a couple of crucial Fts by ? and it was an MU win.  Nice crowd in a limited seating situation - great atmosphere.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 16, 2005, 12:15:22 am
Hopefan - How many did Mo Bapt. dress tonite. I know they have had some injury problems. Still a huge win.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 16, 2005, 01:08:41 am
That's a huge win for the Saints, and for the SLIAC as a whole. Congrats, Saints!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 16, 2005, 10:09:15 am
FC  they did seem short of people in warmups- only 9 or 10 dressed  - but I'm not familiar enough with their personnel to tell you who was missing....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: thebeav on December 16, 2005, 10:17:21 am
The is a tremendous victory for MU. Congrats, to the Saints. This adds more evidence to the fact MU will be the team to beat w/out question! Sidenote, BC beat Robert Morris by 2 in Springfield. Not nearly the caliber of win as MU but a solid victory for the Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 16, 2005, 10:52:40 am
The MU win should in no way take awy form Blackburn's win, Beave  -- RMS has a number of wins over SLIAC teams this year (Fontbonne and Mac) and a squeaker over Millikin last week - it's a very solid win for Blackburn -  I'll be anxious to see if Blackburn can compete with UMSL tomorrow.  UMSL is coming in with the best start to a season ever, and have been getting some local pub because local Radio bravado Kevin Slaton's son plays for them.  Don't be surprised if there aren't a few more bodies in the stands than usual.  It's another oppotunity for a SLIAC team to pull off a huge upset.

Note a face in the crowd at the MU -MoBap game last night was Wash U Coach Mark Edwards.  He's gotta think he'll have his hands full come Jan 4 when the Saints play the Bears.
Also looking to see if fontbonne can compete with WASH U..  Mark told me his high scorer Troy Ruths may be held out of that game with a health complication-if so,  that's a big loss for Wash U and could give FC a much better shot at an upset.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 16, 2005, 11:11:08 am
FCnews - I just checked with someone who should know, and MoBap was missing no one -  on the other hand as I mentioned, Regan and Klein played limited minutes due to foul problems, and Rezabek, McCarthy, and Bollinger all were out for most of the game with various injuries, hurting MU's bench depth badly - and MU still pulled it out.

MoBap was missing no one   ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 16, 2005, 01:48:02 pm
Thanks Hopefan -  Huge win for the Saints and nice one for BC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 17, 2005, 10:10:38 pm
Wash U 104 FC 69

Tonite I wittnessed the best one man shooting performance for a half that I have seen in 40+ years. WU's Scott Stone went off for 31pts in the first half, he went 9-11 from three's and 11-13 total. These were no spot up 19'6 type of shots. These were catch and shoot, no dribble fade aways, with a hand in his face, from 22-23'. Luckly he cooled off in the second half only going 5-10 and finishing with 46. FC tried everyone and everything. It was Stone's nite. Kudos

Neal Griffin did a great job shutting down FC's McCoy, who had a season low 4 points.

Any observer will tell you FC dominated the inside play. Ryan Kirkpatrick had 18 pts and 8 rebs with two blks, one being on a attempted dunk by the WU 7 footer. Ryan was 8-9 from the feild and played well, holding Gunst to 8 points on 3-7 shooting. FC's big three freshmen Kirkpatrick, Storandt and Fogerty combined for 34 points and 19 rebs. FC won the rebounding battle 38-36. Even though Stone did not allow WU to many off. reb attempts. Almany had another very steady nite scoring 12 pts (3-6 3's) and 7 rebs.

It was the Scott Stone show tonite.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on December 17, 2005, 11:00:18 pm
I saw the game, too. It would have been interesting to see those two teams play without Scott Stone on the floor. Never have I seen one player make so much difference in a game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 17, 2005, 11:35:44 pm
uhhhh, now I know I'm gonna get in trouble for this, but it seems to me that a guard as slow as Scott Stone could have been overplayed and denied the ball  a little more consistently than occurred today.  Seems to me just last week that he only got off about 10 shots  vs IWU, most of which were forced out of frustration due to the Titans extremely aggressive defense... something that I didn't see from Fontbonne today.   Very impressed with Kirkpatrick tho - no frills, right to the basket, very strong..
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 18, 2005, 12:09:18 am
Hopefan - u could of put two griffins on him and it would not of mattered. Plus he is not that slow. Yes Kirkpatrick just gets the job done. Will be a pretty good sliac player before he gets through. Nice body just turned 19.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on December 18, 2005, 07:16:10 am
Central (IA) 97   MacMurray 91

Again, more of the same. Poor half court defense, too many breakdowns with the press, too many low percentage shots, and too many turnovers. Still scored 91 - and lost. If MacMurray would execute in the half court a little better, make the extra pass, work an hour a day on weak-side help defense, and shot 50% fewer 3-pt. shots, they would be .500 or better. Before the season started, I would have just about anyone Mac would be above .500 right now. Instead, they're 2-7. Hopefully they can turn it around in SLIAC play. So many opportunities lost...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on December 18, 2005, 10:34:28 am
hopefan -- must agree with fcnews on this one. Stone may not be as fast as a lot of guards in a foot race, but you have to admit he has a quick jump and release. As for the difference between his performance against IWU and the performance against Fontbonne -- you saw both games, so just ask yourself which one of those two opponents you'd vote for as the #1 team in D3.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 18, 2005, 10:37:13 am
"It would have been interesting to see those two teams play without Scott Stone on the floor."


Keep in mind, Wash U played without their best player - 6-6/225 post player Troy Ruths (18.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg).
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on December 18, 2005, 11:58:30 am
Good point Titanq. Had Ruths been playing Stone might not have gone on such a shooting spree. And if he had been playing without Stone on the floor, it would indeed have been an easier victory than Wash U playing without both Stone and Ruths. But all that is hypothetical -- which is the kind of world we often live in when discussing these things. Reality is what happens on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 18, 2005, 12:33:52 pm
I personally would have rather seen WashU with Ruths. FC would have been a lot better off matching up with another big man using their young big men, then trying to stop a "slow' but very elusive Stone yesterday. Either way the out come would have been similar. Still enjoyed the Kid's performance.

There is a big difference in the size of IWU's guards compared to FC's. That's probably why their ranked #1.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2005, 12:59:42 pm
oh, so bigger equals better???  Lots of implications there.

 I think, from a defensive standpoint regarding Scott Stone's performance vs the two teams I'll go with the fact that IWU was SO much more aggressive and denied Scott the ball in many instances.  Scott is a good shooter if he can receive the ball, face, and shoot - and if he's "on".  He was totally "on" yesterday, from WAY out, but he was rarely pressured on those shots.  To me , a big difference in the defensive efforts in those games.   The point of Ruth's impact is a valid one - Wash U was very much going to him vs IWU.

Incidently, I asked the CCIW room what the D3 record for 3's in a game was - answer was one of the Grinnell guys in 1998 made 19 - with (ugh) 52 attempts.
Grinnell's game at its height.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2005, 01:06:57 pm
No one has mentioned the great job Blackburn did yesterday at UMSL.  The game was still even with 10 minutes left and UMSL finally pulled away to a double digit win.  Blackburn seems to be adjusting to life without Barnet and Essington just in time for conference in January.  I really feel they'll be a major factor in the race.

And congrats to the silent ones at Westminster.... we haven't lured a writer from there to these pages, but they got one in the left hand column by beating North Park in overtime, sending HOF'r Greg Sager into a state of depression.    Greg, I feel your pain all the way down here - get better quickly :( :(
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 18, 2005, 01:16:14 pm
Another advantage IWU has defensively in guarding the perimeter is that the Titan big men can guard good low post players one-on-one.  6-6/215 Cory Jones, 6-7/210 Zach Freeman, 6-5/210 Chris Jones, and 6-6/220 Steve Schweer can all go straight up with guys like 7-0 Mike Grunst or 6-6 Troy Ruths, so you don't necessarily always have perimeter guys doubling down (which obviously leads to good looks from 3 if the team passes well).  Generally, IWU's perimeter players are bigger, stronger, and more athletic than their counterparts, so the Titans usually end up doing well defensively outside in a straight-up matchup.  IWU will double the post on occasion and gamble on the opponent not shooting a great percentage from 3 (Chicago burned IWU a couple weeks ago), but they tend to do better playing straight up.

Anyone know how long Ruths is out for Wash U?  That could make or break them in the UAA race.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 18, 2005, 01:46:05 pm
Titan - Ruths probably could of played if needed. As far as post play, FC's 6'7 240 Ryan Kirkpatrick did just fine on Wash U's 7-0 footer, 6'8 Justin Storandt did a great job on the boards and probably could of held Ruths to under 46?. Props to the Bears for getting the ball to the hot hand, they set a ton of screens for Scott. The only clear stop and pop he shop that I remember was the one he hit from out by the "Bear" (27').
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2005, 01:52:53 pm
I heard all together different for Ruths - i won't discuss the nature of his problem, but the word I heard was that there may be a procautionary procedure necessary, and it is hoped he would be back Jan 7 for first UAA game.  But the problem was potentially not one to be taken lightly.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on December 18, 2005, 02:41:44 pm
hopefan - thanks for bringing up Blackburn. That performance deserves recognition, especially given UMSL's record.  Even though I am primarily a Webster fan, I have a soft spot for Blackburn both because they have Webster's former men's coach and because my father-in-law (deceased for over 15 years) taught at Blackburn for 21 years, retiring in 1976 or '77.

Also good to see Westminster get in the win column. A couple of their losses have been close and, while I don't know much about their opponents I don't think any of them can be considered patsies.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: thebeav on December 18, 2005, 05:24:10 pm
I went and saw BC take on the Rivermen and it was a very good game for the first 30 mins.  Blackburn played very hard and as usuall the Beavers out-hustled the larger UMSL team.  The Beavers were leading at halftime and had as much as an 8 point lead.  Down the stretch, the athletecism of the scholarship athletes and depth wore the Beavers down.  However, this was a very strong showing w/ UMSL coming off an upset victory over the #4 ranked D2 school Southern Indiana. The offense is starting to click and the Beavers are hitting their stride right in time. Can't wait to see the exciting games this season will offer. Some have said the SLIAC is down, due to records, but the conference will be closely played among the top 5 or 6!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2005, 06:47:49 am
Good win for Maryville in the Bahamas over Mt St Joe's, who came into the game with a 6-1 record, their only loss being by 1 point to nationally ranked John Carroll.  From the writeup I received, it was a come from behind effort in the last 10 minutes.   The outside shooting combo of Mike Turpen and Ben Hebl led the scoring, and Steve Bash and Ryan Klein did a good job inside against bigger foes.

Maryville plays Div 2 North Georgia tonite  -  No Ga is 4-2 against d2 competition that I'm not familiar with.  They beat d3 Lagrange in an exhibition by 20.  Looks like MU will have its hands full. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 19, 2005, 11:41:34 pm
Maryville loses to D2 North Georgia  103-93.  Coach's report indicates game was lost at the line where N Ga had 47 attempts to MU's 21.  Report was VERY upbeat ... MU evidently outrebounded a much bigger team, got great guard play from Regan, Hebl, and Elwell  -  Bash had another great game.   uh oh what happened to Turpen???    As St. Louis's other shooter Mr Stone, you have your on nights, you have your off nights.   Interesting, no whiny statement about the foul disparity, just plain "we made a few too many fouls and mistakes to give ourselves a chance in the end".    I am continuing to be more and more impressed with young Mr Rogers.

Next up  Wash U   Jan 4   If you are a SLIAC fan, this game should mean something to you  -  the opportunity for the best team in the SLIAC to beat the perenially best D3 team in the area.   Let's hope it "Graduation Time" for Maryville and the SLIAC.  And in the same breath, I commend Coach Edwards for giving so many SLIAC teams a spot on Wash U's schedule.  Wins over teams with losing records do little for his team's ratings, or for their national recruiting image (Believe me, no kid outside of the local area has heard of any of the SLIAC schools).  By playing 4 or 5 of the SLIAC schools, he has helped make the SLIAC better.

Really looking forward to the Jan 4 matchup.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 20, 2005, 01:53:27 am
Wash U - Plays a heavy dose of sliac schools for possibly another logical reason. In region D3 games with little travel or expenses. And in most cases a chance to add a W to their total. Although, I'd rather beleive it's giving us sliac folks a chance to play a quality team.
Have always wonder why Wash U hasn't added the likes of UMSL, SLUH, SIU or even a SEMO to their schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 20, 2005, 03:39:51 am
A hypo question:
Which record will fall first-
53pts by Jeff Reis
22 rebounds jason White
20 assists Stacey Ross
15 blocks Roy Woods
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on December 20, 2005, 07:07:23 pm
Hard to say. Those are all impressive numbers. If any of them falls, my best guess would be the rebounding record.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 20, 2005, 09:12:41 pm
Ill go with rebounds as well.  Im not sure though, suttles came close to breaking the point record against WU a few years back, so its hard to say. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 21, 2005, 03:56:03 am
I'm going with rebounds also. Bash, Kirkpatrick or Storandt could have a dominating game against a team like Prin or GC. Storandt has already had one game of 18 this year. in this up tempo era the 20 assists could fall. The one least likely will probably be Woods 15 bkls. ( he also had 13 against WU in the same year)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 23, 2005, 10:50:19 am
I'd Like to wish all SLIAC Posters a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. To those traveling, have a safe trip. In the blink of an eye it will be the first night of conference play and all the fun it brings.

Daryl - I'd like to wish you and yours a special holiday. Pass on my good wishes to your Brother and Steve.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J-Kidd on December 24, 2005, 11:40:46 am
Whats up folks.  Greenville has had 3 games since the last time I posted on here.  I wasnt able to make it to any of the games, because 2 were at a tournament in Ft. Wayne, Indiana and the other was in Kentucky.  GC lost all three of the games.  GC lost to Taylor University, a solid squad, by 20.  Looking at the stats, GC did get consistently good games from Matt Greene, Ben Hensold, and Bryson Taylor.  GC's next game is against Wabash on Jan. 3rd.
Although it has been a tough start to the season for GC, there are some positive things happening, especially with the underclassmen.  Matt Greene, a freshman guard, has started or been the 6th man in every game this year and is averaging over 10 pts. per game and shooting nearly 50% from 3 pt. range.  Sophomore Josh Reams is averaging over 8 pts./game.  And Antonio Conquest, a freshman guard who was an all-stater last year in the state of Florida, might see some varsity action this semester.  He starred on the j.v. squad in the first semester, including a game where he scored 28 pts. against Lewis and Clark Junior College. 
Everybody have a merry Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 24, 2005, 08:55:26 pm
FC: I appreciate your holiday wishes and extend the same to you.  I will be sure to pass on the good wishes, my brother and steve are doing well right now.  As for me. . . Im ready for a vacation. 

Everyone have a safe and happy holidays. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on December 25, 2005, 09:52:11 pm
Ditto - Daryl ! Next time I post will be from the beach of Hawaii !

My 05 Xmas Gift List
1. FC - For a load of Freshmen to Mature Overnight
2. WU - Two more Great WU/FC battles, a rivalry on the court and mutual respect (and more) off.
3. MU - An injury free season, Never want to see a Kid hurt, and maybe the best rep for the SLIAC
4. BC- Make sure Luka graduates!
5. WC - Patience to Coach Mitchell, a class act
6. GC- ?
7. Mac - Do prove us wrong about the system or put it to bed.
8. PC - Great short term memory

For SLIAC Posters - A very competitive season and a lot of barn burners. We need something to talk about.

Remember the Reason for the Season, Happy Holiday to ALL
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2005, 12:58:26 pm
Anyone know how Fontbonne did last night in Hawaii???

Score not posted on these pages yet.

Interesting sidelite to that game  :  Dave Porter, varsity basketball coach at Lafayette HS here in St. Louis, and an old friend, has a son, Scott, on the Fontbonne team.  Lafayette HS is currently in the Merramac Tournament, the biggest boys Christmas Tourney in the area.  Went to see the Quarterfinals last night, and no Coach Porter.....   asked around, and sure enough, the Porters were in Hawaii.  Well, unfortunately for the assistant coach in charge, Lafayette got  thumped pretty good.  Ahhh Dave, I always told you that coaching was a kushy job, but I had no idea......     ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: griffinalum42 on December 30, 2005, 10:32:14 am
It looks like Fontbonne lost to cal state mont. 90-53, I saw the score posted on the school's website. 

I played against the young fontbonne team in the alumni game this year.  The team is inexperienced, however, they play hard, and they are scrappy.  This team on a given night could make some noise in the conference.


Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on December 31, 2005, 07:30:44 am
I'm really surprised that Fontbonne went all the way to Hawaii to play only one game, but that's the way it appears on Hawaii Hilo's site as well as Fontbonne's.  Originally the schedule indicated the Griffs were also to play Hilo, but it doesn't appear that game came off.... ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on December 31, 2005, 12:49:10 pm
Also worth noting, regarding Fontbonne's loss in Hawaii, that Cal State Monterey Bay is a D2 program.

Happy New Year to all.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 123123 on January 02, 2006, 11:20:01 am
Did anyone in the SLIAC know that former Blackburn alum Jamie Young is working as a scout with the Boston Celtics coaching staff.  He played there in the mid 90's.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2006, 10:41:23 am
Really looking forward to tonite's Maryville - Wash U game.  This is Maryville's last chance to show it can play 40 minutes of quality ball against a solid D3 team.  Time to quit coming close (as they did against Hanover, Transy, and Manchester) and get over the hump.  Those at the McKendree and Mo Bap games know that they were quality wins, but it takes wins over D3 teams to earn the respect.

The DVR is set for the football game - it's gonna be a late night.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 04, 2006, 06:11:55 pm
Back from the Islands:
Never Ever Fly Northwest - 35 hours from airport to airport on return. 16 in Minn. alone.
FC schedule explanation -  After the conference approved FC 2005-2006 schedule, Coach McKinney's intuition took over. Near the first week of December he made some calls and learn for sure that the Hilo Classic was not an exempt event. Best to always check yourself. Plus it meant one more day on the beach.

Cal - MB was tough! FC was tied about the 10 minute mark of the first, down 12 at half and then the legs were gone. FC's big men did a really nice job of competeing with the size of MB. They had a 6'6 guard that we could not stop.

It was a great bonding trip for this young squad and I believe after jet lag they will be ready for conference play.

Yes, Coach Porter had a great time. But was ready to return to his squad.

Good Luck to the Saints tonite.

I'm going back to bed. Later
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 04, 2006, 11:57:36 pm
Wash U embarrasses Maryville....  Mom always said, if you can't find anything good to say, don't say anything.

Good night
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 05, 2006, 07:40:39 am
Rockford 83   MacMurray 78

Highlanders complete their non-conference schedule 2-8. Huff played well, as did Ebergart and Hipshir. Still too many turnovers, poor shot selection, and breakdowns on defense. Mac kept it close throughout the game and had their chances. Just couldn't get over the hump. Looks like there were some academic casualities as well, as two of Mac's younger players who had been playing didn't make the trip. Not good. I would have predicted no worse than 5-5. Everyone has to be disappointed. While I think Mac still as a legitimate shot at the post-season, their chances appear to be fading.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2006, 03:40:01 am
Maryville was missing 2 key players vs Wash U - if they can't adjust quickly to life without them - this is a whole new horserace
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2006, 11:36:22 am
you know, the trouble with this room is that I bait the hook, but the fish don't bite  -  just not enough fish I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on January 06, 2006, 02:05:10 pm
hopefan -- greetings from Virginia. I didn't know Maryville was down two players against Wash U. You had mentioned Ryan Klein. Who was the other one? That certainly changes the equation for conference play, and puts a greater burden on the rest of the team. But the Saints have an experienced team, and an excellent coach, and I don't think any other team in the conference now has a clear cut shot to be the favorite. I guess we'll see -- that's what the games are for.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2006, 02:26:55 pm
Jason Rezabeck, who hadn't been seeing much time anyway with knee and back problems, is out too... saw him at the WashU game and his back is VERY bad.  I feel sorry for him.  He showed great potential frosh and soph years, but has really been hobbled ever since.  And McCarthy, the transfer from Fontbonne also went down vs Wash U with a knee problem - don't know if he'll play either.

The matchup vs Webster will be interesting, because other than Bash, MU is now really hurting on the boards, unless a couple of the frosh step it up like they did against Mo Bap.   Webster's big men ate MU up last year - I still remember Hoggit having a career nite, and I've always liked the Hawaiiian - I don't know now how MU will stop them.

Incidently, I just awarded you a karma point for your trip
I think the whole world needs to know that while you sent your family on a vacation to Mexico, you chose to travel from St Louis to Virginia to watch your alma mater Randolph Macon play D3 Hoops.


Another interesting point - say hi for me to Bob Johnson, the coach of Emory &  Henry.   30 years ago, he took my place as assistant at RPI in Troy Ny when I left to pursue a different future.  4 or 5 years later, he got the job at E&H
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 07, 2006, 12:03:31 pm
Let's get this started. My Predicitions for today.
FU over GC by 15
WC over Prin by 10
Blackburn over Mac by 12
Maryville over WU in a squeaker (home court advantage), I'm not up to date on MU's injuries so this is just a flier.

Good Luck All.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Peterson on January 07, 2006, 04:30:50 pm

I'll throw mine out there...
FU by 25 (Greenville has no scoring since Foster got kicked off)
WC by 25 (Prin lost everyone last year)
Blackburn by 15 (Blackburn is too experienced)
Maryville by 10 (Good matchup even though Maryville is struggling with injuries)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2006, 06:19:47 pm
Maryville beats Webster 80-63

Webster opened the game going to Hoggit inside, but after missing a couple of close in shots, seemed to abandon that strategy.  Maryville jumped to a big first half lead led by Casey Holland off the bench and Ben Hebl's 3 3 pointers.  Webster closed to seven at half as Maryville started turning the ball over.
At the start of the second half, Webster closed to a two point deficeit, But Hoggit hardly played due to fouls, Basillio disappeared, and Maryville seemed to dominate the boards with a small team.  Only Corey Kuhn's shooting kept them close, and eventually Maryville pulled away as the clock ran down.

Good points - Maryville played big around the basket despite being outsized... it appeared Bash had a double double, and off guards Hebl, Regan and Holland seemed to do a great job around the basket.
Also -the running came perked really well - generated a large number of open 3's and many trips to the line
On the bad - turnovers -ugh - far too many - my main guy Elwell has to value the ball more - where's the penetrate and dish?
Big men besides Bash did nothing today when they were needed - Frosh big men have got to get a bunch tougher -  Mac has to play smarter when the opportunity comes
ok hope I don't get in trouble....

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 07, 2006, 06:33:11 pm
GC 82 FU 67
No jet lag excuses! Stat of the game. GC 11-20 3pt and FU 4-21, enough said. Lone bright spot for FU was Justin Storandt 17 pts and 16 rebs.

This is a very young FU team and it showed today 10 freshmen and one sophmore saw minutes for the Griffins.

They better grow up quick.

Maryville is a tough place to play, but that score does suprise me.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2006, 06:35:16 pm
Westminster over Prin  72 - 52

looking for a Mac- Blackburn score
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 07, 2006, 07:32:54 pm
Blackburn 67  Mac 66

More later....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2006, 11:21:30 am
Hey Mac - was hoping we'd hear from you, tho I know you're hurting with a one point loss.  How did the last minue go?  Did Mac have a shot to win, or did Blackburn make a shot to win?  Anyway, it goes to show that Mac is definitely in the mix for a conference tourney berth. 

One can read as much as they want to into the first day of conference play and the results.  A prior writer said Greenville would be weak as a result of a dismisal -obviously not.  FCnews had high hopes for the frosh at Fontbonne - I'm sure a disappointment for him as the youngsters get acquainted with conference play.  Westminster is an unknown and remains that way - it's a forgone conclusion that Prin is facing a tough year.  I had my doubts about Maryville with the loss of Klein and Rezabeck, and while Webster and MU are closer than the score indicated, the remaining seniors stepped it up to win by 17.  And I don't think we can count Webster out... they have too much talent to have the record they do - if a direction can be found, they should have a winning record  in conference.  Now Mac shows they will compete - and we know Blackburn is good. 

It's 7 teams playing for 4 spots - anxious to see how day 2 plays out on Wednesday
Blackburn gets the win over Prin, but the other 3 are interesting
Maryville goes to Greenville - big homecourt advantage for Greenville no matter how much better MU might be
Westminster comes to Webster - seemingly an early season must win for Webster to get things turned around
Fontbonne goes to Mac - the young Fontbonne team vs the usually ultra-uptempo Mac - another very interesting game

It's a shame more people aren't aware of SLIAC hoops - this conference season should be alot of fun.

I give credit to the Post Dispatch today  -  box scores of each game, and even a little one line paragraph on each game.

Would be nice if each of our fans gave a little detail on game results here if they attend, tho I realize it's easier to do if your team wins than if it loses.  I'm gonna go to Greenville Wednesday Evening - could be tough getting up on Thursday 5AM
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: macnews on January 08, 2006, 12:09:29 pm
Mac had last shot and shot was missed in last second.  Most of the game was back and forth.  If the coach keeps up like yesterday Mac has a good shot maybe not first but a realistic second or third.   He just needs to keep playing with the main ten guys as yesterday.  No one had a great game but all added something.

Freshman Brady Greene did not return after break.  Two players out with injury,  one senior and one freshman.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J-Kidd on January 08, 2006, 08:54:48 pm
Whats up folks.  Greenville got a win a few days ago against Fontbonne.  Ben Hensold has been killin lately, especially from 3 pt.-range.  Darin Williams, Greenville's 6'9'' center is developing quickly and improving his low post moves.  Game this wednesday against Maryville.  One of the best guards and has talent that comes off the bench is Antonio Conquest. No one really know about him he can come off the bench and will be a very big factor during the confrence play these next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 09, 2006, 08:02:58 am
Mac played well against Blackburn and probably should have won. But until the half court defense tightens up, the turnovers reduced, and the team shoots about 15 fewer three-point shots a game, Mac is going to have games like this.

Hard to say that a 2-9 team is headed in the right direction if the coach "keeps playing the main ten guys." The team and rotation that Mac used in its first game against Millikin was by far the best Mac played all season. Unfortunately, the decision was made to give deference to some upperclassmen in hopes their "experience" would help. The results are clear. Say what you want, and I'm a huge Highlander fan, but the numbers don't lie. It's a real shame. This team had the potential of winning 15 games or more. Not now, although Mac could still compete for one of the four play-off spots.

I heard that Greene will be on campus the second semester, but not play. Also heard he plans on returning to the team next fall, but can't confirm that. Another talented freshmen, Sanders, is hoping to return next season as well. From what I've seen, Greene and Sanders, along with a third very good freshmen, Evan Birch (injured), represent the future of Mac basketball if they can rebound from medical and other hardship issues. Another player who apparently is out for the second semester is Long, who is probably Mac's best long-distance shooter. These four kids had a lot to offer - but were rarely given the chance. Now that all four of them have apparently been sidelined for the second semester, it's up to the "main ten."

Hopefully some new recruits, along with the return of the four players mentioned above - mixed in with the upperclassmen who will be back - can lead Mac out of the SLIAC wildnerness in 06-07. Until then, we'll just have to hope for the best.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2006, 08:10:12 am
If not by injury, how in he world can a team lose four crucial pieces, and have those four pieces represent the future of the program.    Something sounds very very wrong at Mac, whether it's discord, grades, suspension, whatever.  Too bad, because I was very impressed with Mac and how they seemed to come on 2nd semester last year.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 09, 2006, 09:35:22 am
Just from what I saw earlier in the season, these four kids had a lot to offer. They were athletic, played strong half court and full court defense, tough rebounders, and could score. Sanders played on the JV team, but he was a stud. The other three had terrific "upside," but were rarely given a chance to play on the varsity. From what I heard from others closer to the program, there weren't suspensions or discord. All of them wrere/are great kids. Combination of medical, academic, and financial issues. I don't believe I said that any of these kids were "crucial pieces" to this year's team, although all four would have continued to improve each time they stepped on the floor. Guess my point was - as a coach and as a program, do you want to go with kids who are (1) going to get better as the season unfolds and (2) will be with the program for the next 3-4 years? Or do you want to go 7-17 with pretty much the same kids that you went 9-16 with the season before, three or four of whom are seniors? That's always a tough call for a coach who wants to see his upperclassmen "go out on top." But reality dictates that's not happening at MacMurray. The Highlanders very well could make a run in the SLIAC and make it to the post-season and I hope they do, but as I said earlier, I think their hopes are fading - especially if Kowa can't play because of an injury. Bottom line is the 2-8 start was a bitter pill to swallow - then losing the four younger players who had so much promise makes an already difficult situation even more perilous. I hope they can turn it around. The coach is a terrific person and the kids play hard every night. It just hurts that what once seemed like such a promising season has apparently started to unravel.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2006, 09:47:22 am
Mac played well against Blackburn and probably should have won.

This makes about five or six MacMurray postmortems in which you've stated that the Highlanders "should have won" the game, MA. The problem with stating this again and again is that you do it to diminishing returns. Every time you make this assertion it gets a little less believable, particularly in light of the fact that MacMurray is now 2-9 and thus isn't doing much on the court to dispel other people's doubts about them.

I'm not seeking to give you a hard time, just telling you that from where I sit it's getting more and more difficult to believe you when you keep telling us that MacMurray should've won this game or that game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 09, 2006, 12:16:03 pm
I understand. It's very frustrating. The point I'm trying to make - and obviously not doing a very good job of it - is Mac looked VERY good in the early going, especially against Millikin and in the Illinois College Tournament. Based on the play of the kids who were playing at that time and the competition, it looked to me like Mac could beat teams where the match ups were close to even. But that has turned out to not be case. Evidence being the six point loss to Monmouth, six point loss to Central (Ia), five point loss to Rockford, and one point loss to Blackburn. Mix in the three point loss to Millikin and four point loss to Concordia (Il) and you get the picture. Looks like a team that can play close with most team its own size and comparable ability level - but not win. The other point I was trying to make - again, not making it very well - was maybe the record would have been different had some of the younger players been allowed to play more. In my opinion - as a fan and someone who has followed Mac basketball for a long time - it looked to make like some of the younger players were more athletic and had more potential than some of the upperclassmen. But all of that is now useless speculation, with four of the most promising younger players sidelined for the second semester. While I will still enjoy going to the games home and away and giving Mac 100% of my support, I'm afraid this season will fall into the "opportunity lost" category.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 09, 2006, 03:43:02 pm
In this win Now world we are in it's tough to wait on the future. It's easy to expect to much out of 17-18 yr. old kids.

FU added two players to it's roster. Hang On!, both are freshmen. Garrett Shepard, a 6'6 230 lb. post player from Salem, Mo. and Matt Reeb, 6'0 guard from Metro East - Lutheran, Matt transferred home from Millikin.

This brings FU's freshmen class to 12 strong. FU has sights on two Juco players to add next year to give this team some maturity. The game at Mac will be a tough test for this young squad.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2006, 07:39:15 pm
Reeb had great stats as a Senior last year  -  where was he first semester?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 09, 2006, 10:01:39 pm
Hopefan- In my post I mentioned he transfered from Millikin University.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2006, 06:35:57 am
ugh  - sorry FC  - Senility again
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2006, 11:22:26 am
No thoughts from anyone else on tonite's games???

J Kidd, what fine Greenville dining establisment do you recommend???
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on January 11, 2006, 11:57:51 am
hopefan -- my only thought is that I hope Webster's men can come a way with a victory. Will e-mail you the game result so you can have it when you get home from Greenville.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2006, 12:02:46 pm
thanks yjacklok - Incidently, there will be a "reappearance" for Maryville tonite.  Evidently certain issues have been cleared up...  the box score addition from tonight will show who...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 11, 2006, 01:44:12 pm
Certain "Issues"..hummm. A soap opera cliff hanger. I'll give everybody a shout with the results from Mac. Hope my young Griffins can get it together before it's to far gone. With the Saints coming on Saturday a 0-3 start might be to big of a hole to climb out of.

On a side note. I find it interesting that all schools in the conference don't follow the same elgibility guidelines. I know FU is semester to semester, where a school like Maryville decides this issue at the start of the fall semester for the entire year. I know D3 is a different animal, but a uniform approach would seem logical. I know of no academic issues with this years Saints squad I just used them as an example. Principia has the same policies.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 11, 2006, 03:19:57 pm
hmmmm     fcnews......let me see, if I can't say something nice, don't say anything at all....  hmmmm... wonder what his source is for that statement about eligibilty at Maryville is?     hmmmm

Anyway, I'm pumped for the games tonite
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gc_fan on January 11, 2006, 04:18:45 pm
Hopefan - I lived in Greenville so I can tell you about eating establishments.  Out by the Interstate at the Best Western Hotel is Ethan's Place, that is pretty decent food. there is fast food McDonald's Taco Bell/KFC there as well.  Chang's Chinese in that area is good.  On the square is Breities Again (a 50's style diner)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MU fan on January 11, 2006, 04:30:49 pm
Should be interesting tonight.  Klein should be back in the line up but I'm not sure how much time he will get.  Maryville has had a few issues as a team but all decided to be men and handle everything as a team.  Heard some news about Rezabeck and it sounds as if he might be out for a long while because of his back.  Hope Maryville doesn't underestimate their opponent tonight because if they come out and play their game, they should not have a problem.  They have a tendancy to play to the level of the other team though.  That can be a great thing when they are out matched or a very bad thing if they were to do that tonight.  Well, I will be at Greenville tonight to see it. 

Hope they come out ready....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 11, 2006, 05:19:48 pm
Hopefan again you didn't read my entire post. I said I was using Maryville as an example and not implying anything directly. My comments were the result of some discussions about spring sports. DON'T put me in the position of stirring things up. I have know knowledge of the Saints team situations and did not represent that. Just setting the record straight.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 11, 2006, 10:35:30 pm
Halftime MC 36 FU 32
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 11, 2006, 10:51:05 pm
Final MC 77 FU 70 - more later.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2006, 01:03:15 am
back from Greenville, where Maryville beat Gville 96-71.  1st half wasn't like that though, with Greenville leading 47-46.  Greenville shot lights out from 3, hitting 7 in the first half, and gave MU alot of trouble with full court pressure.  In the second half, Maryville stepped up the defense, Greenville shots stopped falling, and Maryville pulled away.

Maryville's offense ran well. The Big 3 tonite were wings Hebl and Regan, and Ryan Klein returning from his brief sabbatical coming off the bench.  Hebl finished with 5 3's and 30, Regan with 26 and a boatload of free throws, and Klein with 17 including 4 monster dunks.  Bash scored little, but did his usual dominating job on the boards.  Frosh Matt Baker had a brief spell where he had 8 points around the basket, but all in all the bench crew again did not play to the level expected.  Coach Rodgers system calls for a large amount of time from non starters, particularly in the first half - wish some of these guys would step up more consistently.

Greenville is athletic and quick, and as I mentioned, shot extremely well, but they are VERY weak inside.  They are capable of playing with anyone in the conference, and as I said about Webster, are contenders for the 4 team conference tourney.  Speaking of Webster, congrats on their first conf win tonite over Westminster
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Post by: Mac Attack on January 12, 2006, 07:22:33 am
Mac played pretty well last night, start to finish. Congratulations to the coaches and players! Shot selection was a little better and the defense was solid. It helps to be able to match up with a team similar in size. Mac still gives up too many lay-ups and makes too many silly turnovers, but they rebound tough and play hard. Mac will be in the conference mix if they can win a game or two on the road and win at home. Academics, injuries, and financial issues have reduced the roster, but they have enough left to be competitive in the SLIAC. At 3-9, I'm not ready to stand in line for play-off tickets quite yet - but at 1-1 in the conference, it's a whole new ballgame. Nice to see Birch, Long and Greene on the sidelines last night. Hopefully Saunders will return as well and they can all come back next season and play a big role in the rebuilding of the program.
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Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2006, 07:29:49 am
Blackburn  beats Prin as expected.....  So MU and BC are 2-0, FC and Prin 0-2, and WC, WU, Mac, and GC have split

Saturday shows
MU at FC  -  road wins are valuable
WC at GC  -  tossup
BC at Webster - Can Webster build on Wednesday's win?
Prin at Mac  -  no upset here.
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Post by: MWCSID2005 on January 12, 2006, 12:21:03 pm
The Midwest Conference will webcast four contests with live audio and video free of charge on Friday, January 13.

The matchups feature Grinnell College at Lawrence University and Lake Forest College at Ripon College. The womenís contests tip-off at 5:30 p.m. with the menís contests to follow at 7:30 p.m. Links to the webcast are available at www.midwestconference.org and on the athletic websites of each participating institution.

The release linked below gives more information on the webcast, as well as previews for each contest.

http://www.midwestconference.org/wbasketball/WebStreamJan12.pdf
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Post by: fcnews on January 12, 2006, 01:20:47 pm
I would like to mention on highlight for FU in last nights loss. Freshmen Justin Storandt had his second straight double - double in conference play. Scoring 14 pts. and 17 rebounds ( based on MC's stat crew ), this gives him 32 rebounds in two games. At 6'8 and growing Justin is playing the 4 and a lot at the 3 spot, a good mid range shooter and improving around the basket. He will be force in this conference for a while.

I might of been to optimistic in my expectations of this young team, but am excited in FU's decision to rebuild instead of just reloading. Winning with five freshmen on the floor is tough at any level. Looking towards the future Storandt, Kirkpatrick, Fogerty and the addition of Sheppard gives FU a good base of size. Patrick McCoy, Matt Reeband sophmore Andrew Alamany give the  Griffins a good core of guards to build on. If they do go the Juco route to add a point and some maturity the future still looks bright.

I would also like to appauld the Mac coaching staff for turning to a more tradititonal style of ball. I said on this site last year that Mac had the talent to be a much better team then they showed in the "system".
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Post by: pantherpride on January 13, 2006, 09:46:32 am
Hopefan:

It was great seeing you again back in "The Jungle" in Greenville.  We did play a tough first half.  The second half was what was fustrating for me.  We played so well in the first half of play.  We fell off the table.

That SLIAC is going to be a tough conference.

Greenville at Westminster.  Should be another battle between the birds and cats out there. :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 14, 2006, 05:44:39 pm
Final from Fontbonne - MU 73 FU 61
The SLIAC's best back court was to much for the Griffins, Regan and Hebl, combined for 38 pts. FU had trouble with MU's transition game and Hebl hit the big 3 when the Saints needed it. After being down by as much as 12 in the first half FU cut the lead to 44 -38 at the half. FU started the second half cutting the score to 44-42 before going 5 mins. without scoring.

A loss is a loss, but I was extremely proud of the young FU squad they played hard and with alot of desire against a much more experienced Saints team. FU handled MU's interior play holding Bash to 4 points and 5 boards in 26 minutes of play. After allowing the visitors to shoot 51% from the feild the first half the Griffins held MU to 26 % in the 2nd and only 1-8 from the three's.

Today's game may have been one of the best officaiated games I've seen from a SLIAC crew in quite awhile. Even though MU shot 28 ft to FU's 15, FU made some stupid fouls and fouled to stop Regan from scoring lay-ups in transistion. Matt was 12-14 from the line. FU after giving up 44 pts in the 1st half held MU to 29 in the second, but couldn't score when we had oppurtunities.

As long as these kids play hard and don't quit you can't ask for much more.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 15, 2006, 04:51:29 am
As I said going in, road wins are valuable, and I breath a sigh of relief as MU gets by Fontbonne.  Fontbonne's young team was really impressive...  I really liked Storant and Fogerty; can't figure out why Kirkpatrick isn't more involved with the ball.  And all 3 are frosh!!!!
Maryville  well, nickname them the streaks.  As in Streaky - They blazed up and down the court the first 12-14 minutes, then basicly played flat the rest of the game.  Hebl came back to earth after shooting lights out 5 halves in a row, Regan kept drawing fouls, Bash and Klein disappeared offensively.  My unsung man of the game was Mccarthy... a couple of key bounds, a few points that seemed to make a difference.  Nice to see Steinke score some points, but the bench still fails to keep the flow going.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 15, 2006, 12:13:12 pm
Yes Hopefan 12 freshmen 1 sophmore 1 junior (Fournie is soph. academically). Coach Rogers was forced to play his Seniors more then usual because FU made their runs when MU's under classmen were on the floor. And your right if Steinke adds some weight he'll be a nice player. FU's interior defense has been playing well all year, that could explain Bash and Kliens lack of offense. Brian Fogerty had 9 pts. and 9 boards and plays with alot of energy. Kirkpatrick does a good job defensively, but is still trying to make the transition offensively playing against players his own size. McCoy had an off day shooting or the score could of been closer. Matt Reeb is picking up the offenses the Griffins run and is going to be a nice player.

Maryville will go as far as this Senior class will carry them. Then the Saints will need to look to rebuild next year. One question, where was Mike Turpin I was interested in seeing him play. Is he one of the injured Saints you've mentioned?

Next up for FU is Principia. This "should" give this young bunch a chance to get some confidence back.

It was great to see Steve Bash back running floor. No one wants to see a kids career end with an injury.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 15, 2006, 01:30:56 pm
"Turp" is out suffering with knee tendonitis that popped up over the holidays.  I heard he'll give it another several days rest, then start workouts - back to dressing in a week.  Rezabeck likely out for the year.
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Post by: fcnews on January 15, 2006, 01:56:40 pm
Is it Rezebeck's shoulder again?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 15, 2006, 05:18:03 pm
Did anyone see the BC 49-48 win. That might be a SLIAC record score
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Post by: yjacklok on January 15, 2006, 06:30:40 pm
I saw the first half and about 5 minutes of the second half, then had to leave. I'm told that it was 49-48 and Webster had the ball with about 25 seconds to play, worked  hard for a good shot, weren't able to get the type shot they wanted, but put one up that didn't go. Credit goes to Blackburn's defense at that moment. But Webster must be credited with a good defensive effort as well anytime you hold the opposition under 50 points. In such a tight defensive battle, Webster also needs to be credited with coming back from 9 points down in the second half to nearly pull it out. Blackburn will always be tough to beat with the way they play defense.
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Post by: hopefan on January 15, 2006, 09:15:32 pm
FCnews  -  Rezabek's back is the problem  --they are treating with steroid shots, but things look doubtful...

So after Saturday:
Maryville and Blackburn at 3-0
WC And Mac  at 2-1
Webster and Gville at 1-2
FC and Prin at 0-3

Wednesday nite
Westminster at Maryville -  Westminster won at MU last year at end of season - I hope the guys remember how bad that felt
Blackburn at Greenville - I thought Gville looked good against MU, but then Westminster handled them on Saturday.  I think Blackburn's disciplined game wins this one
Webster at Mac - tossup, always nice to win on the road, I think Webster will, but close
Prin at FC - Prin stays perfect, but I'll take Prin if you give me 27.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2006, 04:26:16 pm
FCnews, Darrly, JKidd, Griffinalum, 123123, Macattack, Peterson, Macnews, GCfan, MUfan, Pantherpride...where are you all?   Does no one want to discuss the upcoming games?  This is supposed to be the fun time of the season, especially in a league like "ours", where 7 teams are playing for four slots in the conference tournament.  Is it really possible that I'm the only person in here who looks forward to Wednesday nights and Saturday afternoons????  Does no one from Westminster read this and think they can beat MU tomorrow nite?  does anyone from Blackburn read this at all?  Where has Darryl disappeared to - I think his team is a legit playoff team!!

Note to Pat Coleman  -  make up little cards for d3nuts like me to pass out at games advertising the site as a place to capture and discuss D3 info.

Thank goodness for yjak and fcnews (yes FC, tho we tend to unnerve each other, at least we both obviously love d3hoops - I didn't have the nerve to look for you Saturday..)

Well hope somebody sees SLIAC hoops on Wednesday - but if you don't tell us about it here, no one will ever know!!!!
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Post by: yjacklok on January 17, 2006, 06:28:31 pm
I find it hard to know what to say. This is a league in which just about anybody can beat anybody else on a given night. Obviously, Maryville has to be favored in its games, and Principia needs to prove it can win, but for the 6 teams in between, this season is going to be a real adventure.
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Post by: Mac Attack on January 17, 2006, 06:54:27 pm
I think MacMurray is still in the process of trying to rehabilitate itself from last season's (and early this season) attempt to outshoot (and therefore hopefully outscore) everyone. Our coach has slowly weened the Highlanders off of the "system" and has settled in on a more traditional offense and defense. There were some close losses early that gave us hope, but poor ball handling and eratic shooting - not to mention a half court defense that sometimes slipped into a coma - punctured any hope of a .500 pre-conference record. And then just as the team started to "mature," it was hit by injuries, academic, and financial issues that really hurt the team's depth. From here on out, I think Mac can beat anyone on the schedule if they shoot well, cut down on the turnovers, and play decent defense. Of course most of the other teams in the SLIAC can make the same arguement - and Mac hasn't yet won a game that it shouldn't have. I think tomorrow night's game will tell us where we are and where we're going. If we can win at home, and steal one or two on the road, they're in the post season. Mac has some pretty good players, and our coach is starting to figure out roles, minutes, and mid-game adjustments. It will boil down to match-ups and execution. Hang on to your hat!
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Post by: fcnews on January 17, 2006, 07:29:21 pm
Hopefan I was there in living color. I hope you weren't in MU sections of fans that gave the rest of the MU loyalist a black eye. Come on now, the softball coach was kicked out of the womens game. How do get kicked out of the winning side of a blow out ???

I do like FU's chances tommorrow nite. But no way am I laying 27 pts. with this young team. Plus, we're not in Vegas and sports betting is a NCAA violation. Just kidding and for your own info, I never take any of your comments personally.

As for my picks, I'll take the home team accross the board.
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Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2006, 08:53:44 pm
FC  -  no, I am a Quasi oldster, and sat up behind the Maryville bench  -  in fact sat with Coach rogers and wife for awhile during ladies game.  While I'm a fan of the Maryville girl's team, I have not taken to the antics of Coach Ellis (nor was I a fan of his at Parkway South), and his aforementioned fan club led by the softball coach.  However, I must admit his ladies have done a great job this season.  I was gone after about 10 minutes of the lady's game.  I was noting who was walking in and out of the Fontbonne offices - wonder if you were wearing a colorful sweater with a VERy receding hairline - just a shot in the dark :) :) :) :)
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Post by: fcnews on January 17, 2006, 09:49:36 pm
no wasn't wearing a sweater and full head of hair.
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Post by: fcnews on January 18, 2006, 05:33:26 pm
hopefan - Just postedthe completed softball sched. and FU plays Hope twice in the IWU Invitational. Looks like someone will have bragging rights for the summer.

Good Luck to all Tonite.
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Post by: fcnews on January 18, 2006, 10:38:20 pm
FU 86 PC 40 - Everybody for FU scored and starters only saw about 20 minutes.
If we had been in Vegas, Hopefan, the 27 was an easy cover.
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Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on January 18, 2006, 11:00:38 pm
Mac Support or Mac Attack: please post the outcome of tonights WU Mac game when it is over. thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2006, 11:58:53 pm
Webster beats Mac in a low scoring game 57-52

Maryville holds off Westminster  74-61

Looking for a Blackburn - Greenville result  oops got it on B-burns site - Blackburn wins easily 78-56
 
  So MU and BBurn  4-0
  Westminster, Mac, Webster 2-2
   FC, GC  1-3
    Prin 0-4

Maryville picked up where they left off in the 2nd half of the Fontbonne game, not playin real good, but well enough to beat a solid Westminster team.

IF, we assume MU and BC will take two spots of 4, I really gotta give Westminster an edge for spot 3.  Lots of depth, some nice strong kids around the basket, some good quick shooters outside.  But I seem to be impressed each night I see someone different play - I'll probably change my mind in another week.

The story tonight for MU was Matt McCarthy off the bench - 14 points, probably 4 or 5 boards. 
 One play turned the game around.  MU had built a 14 point lead and seemed on the verge of ending it with 10 minutes left....  but WC came back strong cut it to 6, and with about 4 minutes left, ran a beautiful back door from the wing.. a perfect pass, and the kid missed a wide open layup that would have cut it to 4.  MU comes down , scores, up 8, and it's basicly the ball game at the 3:30 mark.  A huge momentum change.
Regan played well, rebounded at key times and had 16 points. Hebl didn't shoot super, but finished with 14 and amazingly had 11 rebounds- a double double, and Casey Holland got hot for a short span and had 10 pts off the bench.  I commented that McCarthy showed signs on Saturday - he really played well tonight.  Ryan Klein - we love you - please come back to form and play HARD!!!!

Any guys out there looking for a place for their daughter to play  -  wow, does Westminster lady's team need help - only 8 dressed.  I felt bad for them - they played hard, but were just.....beaten badly. (ie by over 50)
 
 
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Post by: pantherpride on January 19, 2006, 01:18:51 am
Blackburn d. Greenville 78-56...

It was a battle for about 30 minutes.  The Panthers were down but close throughout the whole game.  It was 35-29 at half.  Greenville came out firing and was down 48-47 with 11:30 to go.  After that, Blackburn went on a huge 30-9 run to end the game.

Greenville looks to get back on track as they welcome MacMurray (2-2) on Saturday.  Should be a great match-up.  MacMurray has played everyone (besides Prin) close.  As a Greenville fan, I'm pulling for the Panthers to break our losing skid!!!
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Post by: fcnews on January 19, 2006, 10:29:55 am
FU almost pulled off a rare stat last nite. Scoring 80 points with no one in double figures. But, the Griffins were led by Justin Storandt who had 10 pts and 9 rebs. in 20 minutes. McCoy had 10 pts in 18 minutes, the other three starters played 18, 17 and 13 minutes. Brian Fogerty was nursing a slight groin injury but contributed 8 pts. and 4 boards in 8 mins. of play.

If FU could win a tough road game at WC Saturday, they'll return home for two games against BC and WU. These kids could still have a chance to get in the mix.
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Post by: Mac Attack on January 19, 2006, 11:56:49 am
Tough, tough loss for Mac last night. Led by 10 at the break, then let it slip away. Game was tied with about two minutes left, but just couldn't get it done. Had a chance to tie at the end, but missed a three with less than 10 seconds. The fact that the shot was taken by a player with the lowest three-point shooting percentage on the team was a head scratcher. Mac was outrebounded, but kept the turnovers down. Hipshir (5), Compton (1), and Huff (3) combined for nine points, which was probably the difference. The fact that Mac held WU to only 19 points in the first half was a huge step forward. We didn't trail for the first 38 minutes, but just couldn't hang on. Real shame. Kowa played well, as did Downham and Eberhart (15 pts, 6 reb). Big win for Webster. Highlanders need to steal one on the road now, which they can do.
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Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2006, 12:16:13 pm
so, Saturday's games are :

Maryville at Blackburn  -  tossup  -tough game to call because Maryville's inconsistancies always worry me.
Home court advantage really helps Blackburn with the small, loud facility.  It's obvious I'm rooting for Maryville and I certainly think they can win, but the gut says BC may pull this one out in Carlinville, while MU would have an edge in the rematch later.  There are so many "ifs" for Saturday - if Klein shows up, if MU and Elwell can keep the tempo upscale, if Hebl and Regan shoot well, if McCarthy, Klein, Bash and the frosh do a job on the boards........... ahhh it'll happen - go with Maryville

FC at WC ... two young teams, but WC does have a little more experience, and I think a little better depth.  FC has played well in spurts, but hasn't been able to surprize anyone yet this year, I don't think it will happen on Saturday either.

Prin at Webster - should be lopsided

Mac at Greenville - crucial game for both teams - I'll take Greenville because of the homecourt, but if they lose, they can really start worrying about making the conference playoffs.  If they play like they did in the 1st half vs MU, they'll be fine.
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Post by: Mac Attack on January 19, 2006, 01:21:58 pm
I'll go with Blackburn, Westminster, Webster, and Mac.
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Post by: macnews on January 19, 2006, 02:32:36 pm
I agree with MA on last nights game.

It seems that once the coach from other team see's how mac is playing, different from the system, makes adjustments at the halftime point and comes back and takes over.  Unfortunately, Mac coach can't make those adjustments.  With a few player changes in the 2nd half it could have maybe ended different.
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Post by: fcnews on January 19, 2006, 02:53:04 pm
Ok, I'll throw my two cents in.

MU will beat BC - MU's guards will not let them lose and BC does not have the interior game to match up with the Saints.

Webster in a walk.

Greenville will hold home court advantage.

And, FU in the upset of the day. These kids a slowly starting to beleive in themselves and their defense has started to step it up. They only allowed 6 fg's in the 1st half and 7 in the second last nite. One late three kept them from tying school record for fewest points allowed. Saturday is a must win for the Griffins.
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Post by: fcnews on January 19, 2006, 10:00:44 pm
Tonite in JV action FU 74 MU 60
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jonmac8932 on January 20, 2006, 10:21:09 pm
I think that Westminster could be the team to watch out for if they can get a body on someone when a shot goes up.  If they can stop teams from getting over double digit offensive boards they could end up being tough in the conferrence.  The defense has looked alot better this year than in years past.  Watch out for them to make a strong run.
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Post by: Make_Believe on January 20, 2006, 11:51:14 pm
Watch out for Neil Compton tomorrow.  Word is, he's got the potential to play pro bball somewhere after his career at Mac is over.  He has the skills, just not the opportunity.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on January 21, 2006, 10:11:03 am
Predicitions for today:

Fontbonne d. Westminster:  I've only seen them once (opening game of conference) and they were tough for Greenville.  The game was closer than the score.  Fontbonne in a close one.

Greenville d. MacMurray:  Last Season, GC was unprepared in the 1st game of the set when Mac d. Greenville 100-88 (I think).  Game two seen GC break 2 school records in a 136-107 victory.  I think it's going to be another high scoring game between the two squads.  Greenville will win on a late run.

Webster d. Principia:  Prin is struggling in both the men's and women's programs.  Don't know much about them. I'll know more once we travel there Tuesday.  Gotta take Webster big.

GAME OF THE WEEK
Blackburn d. Maryville:  Blackburn is just a disiplined basketball squad.  We played there Wednesday and had a chance to knock them off.... until 11:00 minutes and then Blackburn pushed us over like a feather.  It'll be a close game, but I think Blackburn will go to 5-0 in a great matchup between 1 and 2 in the conference.
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Post by: 20eagle31 on January 21, 2006, 05:57:26 pm
congrats to blackburn for a 5-0 start to the conference season. keep her rollin boys
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Post by: fcnews on January 21, 2006, 06:11:38 pm
WC 82 FU 66

Ugly game. More later.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 21, 2006, 11:48:34 pm
ok  Blackburn beats Maryville by 5 or 6, in an exciting game  -  both teams played hard - the officials decided that they were going to call EVERYTHING, and Maryville didn't tone their game back to adjust.  A seventeen point lead in the first half evaporated to 5  by half time, and a deficeit in the second half.  Blackburn shot 28 foul shots---in the 2nd half.  In the last 5 minutes of a two point game, Hebl and Regan were gone (I'll tell you about Regan's 5th later), Klein was on the bench in the first half in the doghouse, looked solid and kept Maryville in the game in the 2nd half.  Bash and McCarthy looked unstoppable in the first half, hardly played in the 2nd.  Subs that HAD to make plays to win the game  -  didn't, but our starters just didn't play smart enough to stay in the game.
I'm an MU fan, but I really, REALLY like Blackburn.  You look at them in warmups and you say, they don't look like a GOOD team -  but darn, they play HARD, and they shoot fouls, and they make big shots  -  they deserved the win, THOUGH I rate MU a favorite in the return.
And I'm an MU fan, but I was embarrassed by the actions and words of a couple MU fans at the refs  -  constantly  --  to the point where I left my seat or I would have said the wrong thing to someone.  Officials dont cheat, dont lie etc... the guys who worked the game have worked at Maryville many times before, and will work MU games again.  Go to a game and cheer for your team, not to berate the officials.  Like I said, the kids should have adjusted.  Maryville needed their best players in the last 5 minutes - they didn't have them.
Unfortunately the refs did make one grievous error that surely didn't help MU.  With about 4 minutes left, a Blackburn player goes flying thru the middle to the hoop -  Tim Elwell reaches in, number 32, and obviously fouls the shooter.  Trouble is the ref comes over and signals the foul on number 12, Matt Regan.  Regan was no where near the play, he was out somewhere on the perimeter.  Foul number five on Regan, who had just hit 2 jump shots to cut the margin to 3.  It was so far out in left field, there was hardly a protest.  It was a mistake, but one that really hurt MU's chances.
 So my gut feel was right about the game's outcome, though I let my emotions pick MU.  GC, Westminster, Webster win as forecasted.  The league needs to root for MU to beat Bburn at MU, with a larger pointspread (if MU and BC go thru the rest of their games- certainly no guarantee).  My point is, I don't think anyone but the Beavers want to go to Blackburn for the conference tourney.
Suggestion to the League office  -  Fonbonne has the nicest facility in the conference  - have it there whether Fontbonne  is in it or not.  It would be counter productive to have it at a place that seats 350
  Not to say it isn't a blast playing at Blackburn  -  I've been there this year and last, two great games...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on January 22, 2006, 09:32:53 am
WU 74 vs Prin 43. When you shoot 32% and get out rebounded 43-13 it's hard to win.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 22, 2006, 03:13:12 pm
MacMurray really needed to win this one. The way we've been playing defense lately, I thought Mac had more than enough to get it done. Mac shot about as well as it has all year long, but I think the days of Mac winning any high scoring shoot outs are over. Eberhart and Huff played very well. But when your point guard plays 30 minutes and get two assists, you get the picture. Greenville shot the lights out, especially Turner. And their three-point shooters were probably the difference. For Mac, Hipshir only played two minutes, and Jerel Robertson - who has been playing really well - really struggled. We need those two guys to play well to have a chance. These were two pretty evenly matched teams, and obviously Mac needs to win games like this to makew it to the post season. Matching or bettering last season's 9-16 record is looking more and more difficult. Next up is a trip to Maryville. Highlanders will be looking for the upset, but can't give up 54 points in the first half, like they did last night, and hope to have a chance
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2006, 02:47:47 pm
Wednesday is a big night in the SLIAC, with the Blackburn at Westminster game topping the list.
To me, this is a tough game to call.  Both teams are athletic, Westminster has a little more size, and I like their guards more too.  But Blackburn has that intangible - they win consistently in the SLIAC.  I'll go with Westminster for another reason - it's a LONG ride for Blackburn.... I think in this case, the home court will be crucial.  Westminster wins and tightens the standings.

Mac at Maryville - Maryville will come out with a vengance after that tough one on Saturday.  Mac Attack and MacNews are good fans, but I think they'll have to be disappointed again.

Greenville at Prin - poor Prin....

Webster at Fontbonne - Webster has to look at this as a must win in the battle for a conference tourney slot.  FC has slid down to the "doubtful for a conference slot"  rating, but they're dangerous every night. This game should be a real battle of the boards.  Experience favors Webster.  Despite being away from home, I think Webster pulls this one out.

Forecasted season end
Maryville, Blackburn, Westminster are 1,2,3 probably in that order.
Greenville shooting and quickness battles it out with Webster inside game for 4,5
Mac and FC are 6,7
Prin goes perfect at 8
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACMAN5 on January 23, 2006, 08:16:10 pm
In all honesty i think that macmurray college should close its doors.  The sports programs should def. be shut down.  When you recruit players like brett carroll that is a sign that your program is headed nowhere fast.  He is easily the worst basketball player i have ever been forced to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on January 23, 2006, 10:11:39 pm
I agree with hopefan on all of the predictions except the blackburn westminster game. It is a long ride for blackburn and westminster does have a little size over them.  But blackburn is use to playing a lil undersized and they have great guard play.  Eventhough there is alot of new faces for blackburn, there is still enough guys left that remember what it was like going there last year and playing.  Blackburn wins over Westminster and keeps the lead in the sliac.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on January 24, 2006, 12:12:18 am
MACMAN5:  Very insightful post.  Please continue the tirade, we consider your uneducated comments humorous.  Now you are "forced" to watch certain players, heres a thought don't go to the games.  If you want to single out players do it to thier face, not on a message board like a little punk. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 24, 2006, 07:13:23 am

got no response on my comment regarding the post season tourney, so I'll throw it out again  -  Why not hold the tourney at Fontbonne, for one of several reasons....  Nicest facility, central location for conference, more than adequate seating, and , at least this year, very likely a neutral court for all 4 teams.  Even if "my team", Maryville, earns 1st place, I would be more than willing to see the conference tourney at Fontbonne.

To have the tourney at Blackburn, with extremely limited seating and poor lighting, as well as additional travel for Westminster, just does not make sense.  It doesn't reward the 4 teams who make the playoffs, nor does it make for a pleasant experience for the limited fan base of the SLIAC who would want to see all 3 games. (For those of you who have not been to Blackburn, there are 4 rows of bleachers on one side of the court only, no concessions, no programs, and poor lighting. The Bleachers can't even be pulled out to their full width, because they would encroach on to the floor - making seating all the more narrow, and creating a giant step up to the top row)

How do other posters feel?  Would the league office care to comment if they read this, or perhaps a school rep.  I had a great conversation with the Blackburn coach the other day  -   a practical guy  -  I think even he would agree that it would make more sense to go to a neutral court.

If the SLIAC wants to give its student athletes the best possible experience, they have to get practical with this decision.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on January 24, 2006, 12:14:10 pm
i think the tourney should be held at the number one seeds gym. it is a way of rewarding that team for a great conference season. eventhough blackburn doesn't have the best facilities it does make for a great home court advantage for the beavers. if they did host the tourney they would probably bring in bleachers because if i'm not mistaken they use to have bleachers behind the players bench. ehh, i'm not sure on that one. i'm sure the campus of blackburn would step up its game a bit for the tourney. i hope anyway. my question is that if they would have it at fontbonne(possible neutral court for everyone) would it always be held there or would the location of the tourney be moved around so that there is not a home court advantage for any team?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 24, 2006, 01:18:57 pm
Eagle - good to have a Blackburn fan posting.  Of course a fan like me or you can only wish about location of tourney - so even if they did decide to have the tourney at Fontbonne because it's neutral this year, who knows about the future.  I guess my thought is have it at Fontbonne every year because it DOESN'T present too much of an advantage in court environment for any team (I don't think a big place like that presents Fontbonne with too much of an advantage), fans in the stands etc.  Obviously the Blackburn situation does present a tremendous home court advantage should it wind up there.
In talking with a league official at the game, he expected that if Blackburn hosts, they would clear the gym between games- another painful experience for all concerned.
Once again - not to say I don't enjoy the atmosphere of Blackburn.  The guys in the corner were fun to watch - they had a good time, but didn't take it so far as to interfere with the visiting team.  I wish that kind of spirit hit all the SLIAC campuses during hoops season.
Still hoping someone involved with the conference or schools might respond so I can hear if my thoughts are plain silly, or could really be considered.

Even if top seed wasn't awarded the advantage of homecourt, they would at least play only no 4 seed the first night, so there is still a benefit in draw.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 24, 2006, 01:41:45 pm
I agree with DL 100%. A message board like this is no place to attack any player or coach or team or school. Opinions on style of play, coaching decisions, and team performance is great, as well as singling out kids who are doing well or who you believe deserve an opportunity. But to single out a kid like that is sickening. I can tell you this much - the specific player who was verbally attacked works as hard as anybody, he's a great kid, and he never complains. And for what it's worth, which I think is a lot, he makes his grades and stays out of trouble. I'd much rather have a player like that, regardless of talent, than a prima donna who sulks about his minutes or shots, or your back stiffens every time the phone rings for fear its the campus police or the Dean of Students. You're certainly entitled to your opinion - but keep those opinions civil and thoughtful. You can flush the other bunk down the toilet.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 24, 2006, 01:55:47 pm
To All - Thanks for the compliment on FU's facilities. It's along way from playing games at the Quazi Hut at Concordia just 16 yrs ago. That said, It will never happen. Do you realize that with the addition of LCC and EC the voting power for the St. Louis Intercolligate Conference is now controlled by central IL. Scary. I agree it will be an unfair seating arrangement. I saw that first hand at the last conference tourney championship before it's hiatus at Greenville. And Greenville seats 10 times more the BC. But again, It will never happen.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACMAN5 on January 24, 2006, 02:48:59 pm
i would like to take back the statement i made because i wrote the wrong name...i should have said evan birch not brett carroll....i apologize for the confusion....oh and DL you can suck it chump
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 24, 2006, 02:58:52 pm
MacMan - Your making a complete fool of yourself and should re name MacChild. Beleive me u don't want to be calling Daryl out !!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cam on January 24, 2006, 04:13:41 pm
Isn't there an age requirement to able to post here? Clearly MACMAN5 falls short of the requirement. However, I must applaud him. It does take guts to make statements on a public forum (that can be tracked)  that are so idiotic. But enough about that....let's hoe he has gotten all the response he's going to get. He doesn't deserve anymore................................ ......

Back in the day.......I played in a SLAIC championship game at Blackburn (when the conference had a full tourney at the end of the year, and at which the tourney winner advanced to the nat'l tourney). I must tell you that it seemed a bit ridiculous to play such an important game in a grade school-sized gym. But, that being said, they earned home court advantage (even though we did win the game) and deserved to host the game. It would be unlikely for the SLIAC to change the host site. I can appreciate "hopefan"s reasoning behind it (and it clearly makes sense), but it won't happen.

It is definitely a 3 team race for the conference. The play for the fourth spot will be fun to watch. I don't see anyone cracking MU, BC or WC (barring injury). Home team in the tourney will probably take the championship.

Anyone have early thoughts on all conference selections?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on January 24, 2006, 11:41:57 pm
For a truly neutral court, why not see if the Wash U gym is available. There are no basketball games scheduled there for the days of the SLIAC tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2006, 07:45:11 am
I'm inclined to agree with yjacklok on his Wash U suggestion, though I'd imagine the logistics of setting it up on a nonSLIAC campus might be a little testier.  The other problem could be (though not this year) Wash U's scheduling.  Their conference, the UAA, does not have a conference tourney, so Wash U has final regular season games the same weekend that the SLIAC tourney would be.  This year, they happen to be away that weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on January 25, 2006, 10:10:07 am
SLIAC Championship at Neutral Site:

I do like the home court if you are the best team, but I am in agreement with all the concerns of traveling to the Beaver Dome and playing a conference tournament game there.  People give Greenville Fans and Gym alot of greif, but Blackburn's arena is dark and very small to host that type of tournament.  We will just have to see what develops.

Greenville d. Principia last night at Elsah 63-77.  Greenville had a pretty secure lead throughout the game.  The first half ended on  Prin run that cut the Greenville lead to 9.  Prin battled away in the 2nd half, cutting the lead to 49-48.  From that point, Greenville went to to end the game on a 29-14 run.  Greenville put five players in double figures, led by AJ Turner and Bryson Taylor with 16.  Prin had good games out of Chris Watts and Jonah Swiderski with 19 each.

Big game for Greenville on Saturday.  They host Webster.  Greenville lost by a combined 3 points to the Gorloks last year including a 63-62 lost at their place.  Greenville needs a win to get over the .500 mark in SLIAC play and set themselves up for a second half run that includes four home games.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2006, 10:35:53 am
panther - I agree - the Greenville - Webster game is  THE game in the SLIAC this weekend.  The winner of that game will clearly have a step up on the 4th conference tourney spot  (I know, it's early -but a win will be BIG for either team).
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 25, 2006, 11:19:08 am
Hey Daryl will you be at the Battle of Big Bend Tonite. Spot me 10 pts. and we'll play for an order of wings at McClain's. Hope to see ya tonite.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: macnews on January 25, 2006, 02:37:26 pm
Just curious, but are there plans for future new gym at Blackburn?  I thought 5 years ago there had been. 

As for macman5 - very poor taste.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2006, 03:25:09 pm
Are any of the Mac Posters coming down to Maryville tonite  -  if so, find Hopefan and say hi - I'll be up in last row behind Maryville Bench, Blue/Green sweater, Beige pants, glasses.

MacMan5  -- I'll check out the 3 names you mentioned and let you know how accurate you are with your evaluations... ::)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cam on January 25, 2006, 03:53:06 pm
I doubt if MACMAN5 will be able to make it to Maryville tonight. The house arrest anklet only lets him go 500 feet from the house. Plus, I'm sure he's already got a big night planned watching Gilmore Girls reruns.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 25, 2006, 06:49:10 pm
Once again I'll take the home teams. This one of the great nites of the year ( the other being FU @ WU ) college rivalry at it's best. These are alway's tight games. I just hope it's well called game for both sides. Let the kids determine the out come. Good Luck All.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Make_Believe on January 25, 2006, 07:24:33 pm
MACMAN5, you're nothing but a worthless, good for nothing, troll.  You're worthless.

Also, I heard Brady Greene is sitting out this semester in order to transfer to Duke and play for coach K next year.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on January 25, 2006, 10:02:14 pm
MACMAN5:  You seem to have a perverse fascination with homosexuality.  While your incendiary comments are humorous, I wonder if I am the only one that finds it ironic that you call into question FCNews sexual preference when in your second post for this site you were asking me to perform fellatio on you, kind of strange, but whatever floats your boat.  I understand that, more than likely, you were beat up in high school and that abuse has left you with a blatant inferiority complex, but internet message boards are not the place to seek therapeutic release.  If you have valuable insight to offer to the discussions then by all means contribute, but if your sole purpose here is to discharge the diarrhea from your mouth, then please play internet tough guy elsewhere.

To everyone over the age of eleven:  I was wondering why the consensus seems to be that the big three are MU, BC and most shockingly WC. . . Webster has already beaten Westminster by 9 and played BC to a one point game.  I have not followed the season as closely as I would have liked to, so any insight would be appreciated.     
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2006, 11:43:40 pm
Maryville beats Mac 85-57.  They rushed out to a big lead in the first half (Matt Regan on fire with 21 in the first half) and coasted in the 2nd.

 None of the 3 players that our critic Macman5 mentioned were dressed :-\

Webster over Fontbonne  74-62;  Blackburn wins at Westminster 71-60 (so much for my prediction)

Darryl, you make a good point regarding comparative scores. My opinions were drawn from the games I personally saw... Webster vs Maryville and Webster vs Millikin..  and the two early games vs Transy and Hanover  ...  a very good night vs Hanover, and downhill from there.   Westminster played pretty well vs Maryville, so my impression was favorable.

FC, if you consider FC vs Webster as college rivalry at its best, I'd venture to say your D3 experience outside the SLIAC is relatively limited...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on January 26, 2006, 12:23:48 am
Hopefan:  Im not a big fan of comparitive scoring, but thats all I have to go on at this point due to my lack of attendance.  Its just hard for me to consider Westminster a favorite over Webster when WU is already one up on the Jays, points aside.  I remember reading one of your posts where you spoke highly of WC, I hope I get the chance to see them play.  The four slots for the tourney are gonna be tight.  Not to look past Greenville, but Itll be interesting to see how Webster does against MU the second time around @ home. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 26, 2006, 07:43:02 am
I was hoping Mac would bounce back from the loss at Greenville with a strong performance at Maryville, but it wasn't meant to be. It was fairly close early, but Mac's offense went ice cold for about a seven minute stretch in the first half - i.e. no points at all - and went from about 8 or 9 back to about 20. And that was your ballgame. Being outrebounded 63-39 gives you an idea of shot selection, and who was in rebounding position for the Highlanders when the ball went up. Mac can still climb back in this thing if they can run off some wins at home, starting this Saturday against Westminster. But looming around the corner are road games at Blackburn and Fontbonne. Mac is hanging on by its fingernails, but are still playing hard.

I would hope that Pat Coleman can step in and clean up MACMAN5's act. The comments are beyond decency and have no place on a board like this. I would assume he can pull the plug on this juvinile, as he has on other posters who resort to this kind of language and personal attacks.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 26, 2006, 11:37:20 am
Pat it's Time.
 Daryl wings are on me.
 Hopefan I was commenting on the rivalry that exists between these two schools. At my age I've seen alot of basketball and at alot of different divisions. I would venture a guess and say I'm about 300 games up on you at least. I'm sure this is a game that will never compare to Hope vs. who cares. Sir you just over read every one of my posts looking for something. I admire your passion but am growing tired of your needles.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cam on January 26, 2006, 12:03:48 pm
Please remove MACMAN5. I think we have been tolerant enough of his egregious comments. But enough is enough.

hopefan and fcnews: kiss and make up. It's making it uncomfortable for the rest of us ;)

What did we learn last night? Regan from MU is a strong contender for  POY. He and Hebl have really been carrying that team this year. Bash brings stability to the team from the interior, but he has not been near as dominant as he was two years ago when he won POY. Any other contenders out there for POY? I know it's early, but not having seen all teams, I would like a little feedback.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2006, 12:07:52 pm
FC, don't get mad, I'm not mad.  Just because I take exception to one of your comments, don't hate.  Discuss the point you're making!!  To think that Fonbonne vs Webster is college rivalry at its best, SHOW ME.  I've seen Hope Calvin, I've seen Williams Amherst, I've seen Depauw Wabash, I've seen IWU-Wheaton.  People in the St.Louis area (not necessarily you, but you are the one that made the comment about the rivalry), think all D3 is similar to what they've seen in the SLIAC  -  IT'S NOT.   It could be SO MUCH BETTER here if the students and local communities got behind these programs.   Imagine if instead of the 300 or 400 that might have been at last night's Fontbonne - Webster game, there were 2 or 3 THOUSAND, with 1500 from Fontbonne dressed in PURPLE.  THAT's excitement that makes a rivalry!.   FC to say you're x amount of games up on me is silly  -  I feel bad for you, you don't know what you've been missing.  And again, don't hate  -  discuss  -  that's what a forum is for.  I am NOT closed minded.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2006, 12:26:48 pm
I would hope that Pat Coleman can step in and clean up MACMAN5's act. The comments are beyond decency and have no place on a board like this. I would assume he can pull the plug on this juvinile, as he has on other posters who resort to this kind of language and personal attacks.

I agree. Thankfully someone actually used the little "report to moderator" link and told me about it. Complaining on the board doesn't do much to contact me.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2006, 12:38:10 pm
Cam - sorry -really-  the last thing I want to do is drive anyone away from here.  I'm trying to generate interest, especially in the SLIAC. 

As to POY, it is an interesting race.

I have seen Maryville play each team with the exception of Prin, and I think it's safe to say they don't have a POY candidate.
The guys who have impressed me vs Maryville are Turner (GC), Kuhn (WC), Eberhart (Mac), Hoggit (WC) though he had a weak game vs MU, Hammond (BC), Djedovich (BC), and McDormand (WC).  Add as you say, Regan and Hebl.   If we dicuss LEAGUE GAMES ONLY, Regan has been terrific, and with the exception of the Blackburn game when he was in foul trouble, very consistent.  Hebl - I love him - but I come away disappointed because his game seems so 1 dimensional  -  a three point shooter.  He'd be a 20 point a game man if he'd go to the basket some times.  Gotta go, but I realize some of the other guys I mentioned haven't been consistent-  in the long run, Regan, Hammond, Djedovich are likely leaders.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 26, 2006, 01:04:37 pm
Have Great Day, Hopefan

POY - is based predominitly on conference play. In that case I'll take Regan and no ones close for second.

Cam - Ditto, from me!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on January 26, 2006, 01:09:41 pm
To bad I did not get to say good-bye to the mental midget before he was dismissed, I guess some on this board did not or do not find his particular brand of simple minded wit humorous.

As for the POY question Im out of the loop on this, as I have stated I have not been able to attend many games this season.  

FC:  Forget the wings, buy the beer, although I havent ventured to McClain's in a while.  How was the game, wish I could have made it.  
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 26, 2006, 01:31:47 pm
Hey Daryl - It was nice to see Mr. Watterkotte at last nites contest. "Watterkotte Attorney at Law" has a nice ring.

It was not the game I was expecting. FU did not start Storandt or Kirkpatrick due to circumstances. They didn't see action for the first 9 minutes. Storandt ended with 15 and 6. But, basically WU's three point shooting woke up 10-18 (Spinner 5-9) and that was the difference. I must say it was not the best FU or WU teams I've seen in awhile. Rather of watched a Griffin v. Gorlock alumni game. Now that would sell tickets. Will buy ya that beer after the return game. I forgot wings are not in your diet.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on January 26, 2006, 10:33:51 pm
congrats on blackburn getting another win while playing a team with more size.  seems to me that blackburns guards are pretty salty and there post defence is not to shabby.  i guess they just find ways to get it done. blackburn hands down has the best guard play in the sliac.  just think what they could do with a scoring threat inside. blackburn has now been tops in the conference for atleast 3 of the past 4 seasons. maybe it is time to start givin that program some credit. o and somebody give them some athletic facilities please.
keep gettin after it fellas.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on January 26, 2006, 11:35:56 pm
Big Weekend of Basketball as the SLIAC End's the first round with some crutial games.

Webster at Greenville:  Greenville took one on the chin at the hands of Westminster which puts them in a sticky spot early in the conference season.  Being from Greenville, gotta pull for my Panthers, however, this one will be tough.

Blackburn at Fontbonne:  Blackburn has impressed me very much through six games.  Fontbonne will play well, but Blackburn prevails pretty handedly.

Westminster at MacMurray:  This one could be a barn burner.  Both team are also looking to get a snug position in the conference standings.  Pulling for Mac in this one with that high scoring offense.

Principia at Maryville:  Prin gave us a little scare mid way through the second Tuesday Night, cutting the 15 point lead to one at one point, but never could overtake the lead.  Maryville should have an easy time picking up win #6 v. Prin.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2006, 07:04:18 am
Looking over Pantherpride's remarks regarding weekend games:

Prin at Maryville  :  This game shouldn't be close, though Coach Rogers will keep it from getting too out of hand by giving a lot of minutes to the non starters.
Interesting point - Mike Turpen will get a few minutes in this game to start testing his achy knees.  If he could come back for the 2nd half of the conference, his outside shooting threat coupled with Regan and Hebl give Maryville superb perimeter scoring depth.

Webster at Greenville  -  I'm going to pass up my favorite locals, Maryville, to go see this game.  A total contrast with Webster's strong inside game, and Greenville's quickness and outside shooting.  Both teams need this game, but Greenville needs it more.  However, Webster has the guards that could defend Greenville, Greenville doesn't have the size to counter Webster.... Webster in a close one.

Blackburn at Fontbonne  -  I can hope all I want for an upset, but i don't think it will happen.  Hope FCnews will give us a report.

Westminster at Mac  -  Pantherpride referred to Mac's high scoring offense, but I didn't see any evidence of it on Wednesday night.  In fact, I saw a team that was in pretty serious disarray.  Westminster evidently plays its best ball vs Maryville, as it seems I overestimated their chances of beating Blackburn, but I think they should win this game easily.  Note, I know everyone wanted MacMan5 off this board with his trashy talk, but he was right when he told us that Mac's starting point guard would not play vs Maryville.



Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: macnews on January 27, 2006, 11:43:02 am
HF, went to game Wed but didn't read your post until after, otherwise would have looked you up. 

Sat. games I will go with Blackburn, Maryville, Westminster as much as I hate it, but Mac is having some problems, and I'm going out on a limb here, Greenville. 

I'm hoping with Mac's game at home some calmness will come and some adjustments have been made at practices.  Now with Seth W. out of the picture there needs to be some changes.  It to bad he couldn't hang in there, great kid.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 27, 2006, 03:10:20 pm
I hope Blackburn is looking past this game. If they are it could be closer then they bargained for.

Sorry eagle - but until I see blackburn it's hard to imagine better guard combo then MU. I'll keep an open mind.

Big Thanks to Pat !!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on January 27, 2006, 05:25:02 pm
well fcnews you may want to start imagining it. lets just go with bc and mu last match-up at the beaverdome. hebl-8pts and reagan-11pts for maryville.  for blackburn: Hammand-20pts, Waters-13pts, Allan-14pts, and Djedovic-12pts. mcwhorter and stevens are solid guards also. just think what a player like Bash would bring to a team with these guards.
pics-maryville over prin big
       webster over greenville
       bc over fu
       wc over mac
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 27, 2006, 06:25:21 pm
HopeFan: Whalem wasn't Mac's starting point gurad. Kevin Downham is the starting point guard and he's done a very solid job all season long. Whalem was coming off the bench. Earlier in the season, when Mac was going with the "five in, five out" system, Whalem was getting a chunk of minutes. But as the turnovers (and losses) mounted, Mac went back to a ten-man rotation. While I'm extremely disappointed in the way the season has unfolded for the Highlanders, as I'm sure Coach DeNeve is, they did the right thing by dumping the "system" and going back to a more traditional style of play. I think it will make it easier to recruit players, and it will reward the team's best players with the most opportunities. The early season loss of Birch, and the mid-term loss of Long, Greene and Saunders really hurt the team's depth and competition in practice. Whalem had a role to play on the team, but apparently he felt he deserved a larger role and walked away. That happens, and it hurts when good kids do it. I know it's a long season and many things happen that can impact a team's success over the course of three-four months. But the Mac team that played at Millikin it first game of the season looked tough - real tough. And they've had some really hard-to-take close losses since then. But it comes down to execution at both ends of the floor, and little things like helping out on defense, blocking out on the boards, hitting your free throws, shot selection, and taking care of the basketball (especially at critical moments). While Mac will graduate some tough kids who have really contributed - especially Eberhart and Downham - they have a solid group coming back. And if Birch, Long, Greene, and Saunders all return - and I think they will - and they can land 3-4 recruits, I think they'll be ready to go. But let's not give up on this season yet - still some games to play, and Mac is capable of getting it done. Go Highlanders!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on January 27, 2006, 06:56:23 pm
After Eagle posted the information about the gaurd play of BC vs MU when they faced each other I went back and checked the box score, something just seemed odd.  I noticed that the Beaver guards (almost all of them) scored half thier points at the charity strip, where MU scored almost none.  Was anyone at this game that can explain what went on to cause this? Thanks. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Make_Believe on January 27, 2006, 08:47:20 pm
My picks for tomorrow's games...
Principia over Maryville
Fontbonne over Blackburn
Webster and Greenville is a toss-up
and lastly, Mac over Westminster

More on Mac later.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2006, 10:39:11 pm
Bad memories, Darryl, bad memories.  Go back two or three pages and read my review of the game....  it pretty well answers your question...   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ganno65 on January 27, 2006, 10:44:30 pm
Daryl L Lloyd

In the first half it looked like MU wanted to feed everything into the post and had success with that. At the end of the first half and beginning of the second half Blackburn went on a run. In response to the run the MU guards started putting up some 3 pointers, pretty successfully, that is until the BC defense tightened up. The MU guards about midway through the second half began driving the ball into the lane and were called several times for the charging foul. The Refs in that game were not consistant with their calls, at times they would let them play while other times they made some ticky tack calls. I know both teams weren't very happy with some of the calls made by the officials. The MU guards were in foul trouble for a good portion of the second half. So my guess is that had something to do with the lack of points scored by the MU guards at the charity stripe.

I expect a good game between the two teams when they meet at Maryville!! Hopefully the officials will let the two teams duke it out. Both teams are physical defenders and fly around. I would love to see a game between the two teams where they can just go at it!!! Good luck Blackburn Beavers!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2006, 10:59:08 pm
good response Ganno65.   Funny thing is, as a Maryville fan, I pretty much saw what the refs were calling, except that "phantom" 5th on Regan (see my writeup about the game back two or three pages).  The rematch should be a great game - and hopefully a third game for the conference championship.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2006, 11:02:53 pm
Incidently, some good chat going on here the last couple of days....   keep it up guys, and tell your buddies!!!!  Having fans from 6 of the 8 schools posting here is a great way to hear what everyone is thinking.... while poor Prin probably doesn't have much to say, wish we could recruit a Westminster fan to keep us aware of what's going on out west.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on January 28, 2006, 12:55:14 am
Thanks FC and Ganno
  I was wondering why it seemed MU's guards were so outplayed.   Good to see the Gorloks slide into that number 3 slot.  Keep it up against GC fellas. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2006, 10:02:03 am
Have SLIAC fans noticed that WASH U has taken the lead in the UAA???   They have a very difficult schedule ahead, travelling to Rochester, NYU and CMU.

SLIAC fans should hope Wash U wins their conference.  The travel conscious NCAA comittee would likely roll over backwards to match up the SLIAC winner vs Wash U in order to save a few $.  The way the NCAA tourney is set up, there are some opportunities for two lower level teams to play each other in the first round, with the winner hitting one of the top teams who were given a first round bye,  in the second round.  A very early scenario, if Wash u were to be UAA champ would be Wash U vs SLIAC champ with the winner playing the CCIW champ (currently Augustana).

If Wash U does not win their conference, there is little likelihood they will get a bid, and the SLIAC champ could end up against anyone in the midwest, or even West (ie Iowa, Wisconsin) regions.

One bad thing - the Maryville - Wash U game was UGLY.

Hope everyone gets to a game today!!!  I'm looking forward to being a neutral fan at Webster - Grenville today.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 28, 2006, 10:29:04 am
If Wash U does not win their conference, there is little likelihood they will get a bid, and the SLIAC champ could end up against anyone in the midwest, or even West (ie Iowa, Wisconsin) regions.

I don't think that that's necessarily true, Hopefan. Wash U's QOWI is a modest one, and it's likely to stay modest considering the lackluster Midwest Region non-conference schedule that they played:

(team, result for Wash U, MWR record, QOW pts)
Webster, HW, 4-6, 10 pts
Wis. Lutheran, HW, 4-8, 8 pts
Blackburn, AW, 6-7, 11 pts
Ill. Wesleyan, HL, 9-3, 6 pts
Fontbonne, HW, 1-9, 8 pts
Maryville MO, AW, 6-5, 13 pts

However, the UAA is chock-full of teams with winning regional records. NYU, Carnegie Mellon, and Rochester all presently have regional winning percentages above .667. Chicago, Case Western, and Brandeis all have regional winning percentages above .500. Only Emory is below .500, and they're still above .333. This will all flatten out a bit as the UAA goes through its second round-robin, but not too much. Therefore, even though Wash U's QOWI is undistinguished (I think that they're somewhere around 50th in the nation), it's not likely to dip much unless they start dropping a bunch of their eight remaining games.

Wash U's Midwest Region record is their main selling point. Right now it's a sparkling 10-2: 5-1 apiece in both non-conference and UAA play. My guess right now is that 11-3 will win the UAA, so if the Bears wind up 10-4 they'll still end the season with a 15-5 regional record. With 18 Pool C bids available, a 15-5 record in their region will most likely give a team a shot at one of those bids.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2006, 11:04:40 am
interesting Greg  -  One of the reasons I'm swayed anti Wash U pool C is that I attended the IWU game - what a disaster that was!!!!  Despite the fact that they are off to a good start in conference, I'm still kind of doubtful on them.  I saw them beat NYU, and they really scrapped in that game.  Quite honestly, I'll be surprized if they beat any of the other Big 3 on the road (UR, CMU, NYU) - I'd likely go with CCIW team 3, and maybe even CCIW 4, before Wash U unless they perform well in those road games  -  Incidently, am hoping to see them play CMU tomorrow.
Thanks for the input  - 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 28, 2006, 11:29:37 am
hopefan, I think Wash U is pretty good.  The Bears are not on par with the CCIW's top 4 (Augustana, IWU, Elmhurst, North Central), but this year the CCIW really does have 4 great teams.  If the Bears played in the CCIW, they'd win some games vs the contenders in St. Louis.

Wash U has very nice balance with Stone's perimeter game, Ruths down low, and then solid role types in 7-0 Grunst, the freshman small forward Nading, and others. I think it's best not to over-analyze that IWU/Wash U game.  As we both saw, the Titans were just flawless in the 2nd half of that one on both ends of the floor.  The 21-0 run IWU went on from 14:23 to 9:40 was just one of those things where a really talented team put it all together and could do no wrong.   

I've often felt that in evaluating a team, it helps to "throw out" their worst game.  Every team is going to have at least one game where things just go terribly wrong.  I'd give the Bears a free pass on that 27 point home loss to IWU and evaluate the rest of their games for what they are.   
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 28, 2006, 12:10:57 pm
hopefan, I think Wash U is pretty good.  The Bears are not on par with the CCIW's top 4 (Augustana, IWU, Elmhurst, North Central), but this year the CCIW really does have 4 great teams.  If the Bears played in the CCIW, they'd win some games vs the contenders in St. Louis.

Hopefan, I saw Carnegie Mellon play Chicago last night, and I'd have to say that CMU is not all that and a bag of chips, either. They're certainly very good -- they're deep, senior-led, and feature three pretty good players in Nate Maurer, Clayton Barlow-Wilcox, and Marques Johnson. But on a neutral court I'd take each of the four teams in the CCIW's first division over the Tartans.

In other words, I doubt that Wash U faces a significant talent deficit against any of their UAA rivals this season. That's not to say that they won't drop some games on the road, because the UAA actually is very solid from top to bottom this season (I saw sixth-place Brandeis play last week, and I can report that Brandeis is not a bad team at all). But if you're waiting for a Bears collapse in the UAA race based upon what you saw in their game against Illinois Wesleyan, I think you'll be waiting in vain.

Oh, and the chances of the CCIW getting a third team into the tourney this season are slim ... and the chances of a fourth team are so small as to approach the vanishing point. Are there four teams in the CCIW better than Wash U? I'd agree with Bob and say, "Probably." Does that make a difference as far as the selection committee is concerned? Definitely not. In spite of their mediocre non-con schedule, Wash U is still in much better shape to land a Pool C than the third- and fourth-choice CCIW teams will be, especially since the CCIW now has a postseason tourney in which the other Pool C contenders will each take on an extra loss.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on January 28, 2006, 05:09:59 pm
congrats to blackburn for another win. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 28, 2006, 06:25:48 pm
BC 72 FU 58

A very even game for the first 16 minutes. FU had several leads, but went ice cold and allowed BC to finish on a 20 - 3 run. 38 - 21 halftime score. Storandt and the Griffin's did not allow Djedovic to get into the game finishing with 7 points on 2-13 fg (1-8) 3pt. But, had no answer for Zeb Hammond who went for 31 pts 11-16 fg (6-9 3pt). Hammond is an extremely smart player that will cause match up problems. Has the size to get his shot against smaller guards and to athletic for a bigger player to cover. BC runs a very disciplined offense and puts the ball in the right players hands. Defensively if they allow BC to clutch and grab in the paint, they can overcome the lack of size. FU cut the lead to 7 several times in the second half and the ball inside of four minutes to play, but could not buy a bucket when needed. With 10-12 seconds remaining and a 4 pocession game Hammond looked off an easy base line dunk and dribbled back out, "Class". The ball was kicked back to Stevens, while the players on the floor and the two coaching staffs are shaking hands Todd decides to knock down a wide open 3 with two seconds, "Not Classy".

Stat of the game - Besides Hammonds stat line - both teams combined to shoot 2 free throws in the first 32 minutes and shoot 25 in the final 8. I can see why kids get frustrated trying to figure how some of these crews are going to call. Is there a quota on Free throw attempts. A game that flowed well for 75% of the contest was ground to a halt. I don't see the reasoning in it. If it's not a foul the first 32 why call it the last 8. Free throws were pretty much even with BC shooting 16 to FU's 11.

One achilies heal for BC is that their not very deep. Starters averaged about 34 mins. with Djedovic playing 39.

FU comes into a stretch of three games that are all winnable (?), we need to see them mature and start taking care of some business. FU plays WU and BC the last two games of the year and can still play a role in the conference tournament seedings.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2006, 07:35:52 pm
FCNews, as I said, Djedovich, Hammond, or Regan for MOP  -  seems you may like hammond also..    good matchup between Regan and Hammond, similar type players

Well I went to see Webster - Greenville expecting to see a good game  -  I guess it was a good game for Webster Fans, but a real clunker from the get go if you were looking for a close competitive game.  Webster dominated from the start - as expected Greenville couldn't stop Hoggit - unexpected was they couldnt stop Spinner either, and Spinner hd a super shooting day as well, hitting 8 3's and finishing with 32 points.   AND, Webster played tough defense - really took Greenville out of their offense - Greenville looked bad.

 Wednesday Webster - Maryville will be a real battle
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 29, 2006, 12:52:20 am
Hopefan - this is when it get's tough. MVP - i'd take Regan MOP - I'd have to lean to Hammond. SLIAC POY - ?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACMAN5 on January 29, 2006, 02:33:50 am
guess whos back

Mac Attack who are you?  There are a lot of guesses but noone can figure it out.

daryl dont call me a mental midget if you dont want to be called a pedophile.

Make_Believe(Lance Wallace from MacMurray) I heard that you are transferring to Hawaii next year to play ball....any truth?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on January 29, 2006, 11:48:37 am
Hopefan:  I'm sorry the boys here at Greenville couldnt have gave you a better game.  We just looked pretty rough from the get go.  We are going through a couple of injuries on our team.  But, we have to have a stellar 2nd half of conference to have a hope for the tourney.  We have to starting winning some games.  Wednesday w/ Fontbonne will be a big game.  It's always fun when Lee brings his boys into HJ Long.

Scott Spinner for Webster was just a monster again us.  He lit us up for 32 points.  Unstoppable from outsite.  He's a tough little player.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 29, 2006, 11:54:39 am
Panther Pride- Looking forword to Wednesday evening. There have been some very eventful games their. Better pack a lunch, never know how mant overtimes it will take.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2006, 11:58:18 am
hang in there panther  -  having seen Greenville when they played well in the first half vs Maryville, I know what they're capable of  -  trouble is, at this point of the season, you have to hope they don't lay down.  they are still in the playoff hunt, but probably need to win 5 of 7 in the second half to assure themselves of a playoff spot  -  a tall order.

And speaking of "tall".. wow , Gville really needs to find some size in the middle  --  the tall skinny starter is just too weak, and while I admire Mutton for how hard he plays, a 6'2" middle man is just not going to stop a Hoggit or Bash/Klein or Kirkpatrick without fouling out in 10 minutes.

See you at Maryville in a couple of weeks....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on January 29, 2006, 04:58:05 pm
blackburn my not be very deep, but the guys they play are very good players that will cause match-up problems with any team. i mean you have hammond(who may be the sliac poy), djedovic(sliac poy last year), and zak allan(who by talking to some folks is arguably the best player on the team).then you throw in waters(needs to be a bit more aggressive), stevens and mcwhorter(who on any given night will stroke). this equals the best guard play in the sliac.
pics for wednesday
gc over fu
wc over pc
wu over mu(prolly askin to much but hopin webster will give bc some breathin room)
blackburn over mac
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thetruth_13 on January 29, 2006, 05:59:28 pm
This is supposed to be a discussion board and not a war of words board.  But I want to put an end to this MACMAN.  I usually handle such ignorance by just ignoring it, but I must say he has run his mouth too much.  I will start off by saying the things MACMAN had said are ridiculous and troubling.  Where does he get off by bad mouthing 1. Players on the team whether they are injured, ineligible, or lacking skill.  2. The College he attends.  If you have a problem with the school then leave and go back out east where everything is "better," we won't miss you.  You want to bad mouth players, but I do not see you out there on the court or the field.  Yes our athletics have struggled out there this year, but they will rebound.  The players on the teams dedicated hours and hours of time to the school and their teams.  You only dedicate time to the playstation.  As my name states this I am "the truth" and and inside source has told me that MACMAN is a regular at MacMurray athletic events.  He may not show up after this post though.  Everyone that goes to a Mac athletic event knows him, he is probably the largest human being you have ever seen in person.  He stands near 7 foot tall and 400+ lbs.  He has never put on a unifrom for an organized sport, unless you count the throwbacks he may wear for street games or intramurals.  He is a legend in the MacMurray intramural league, where I have heard he has scored as many as 81 points (We must have been blessed by our own intramural Kobe Bryant)in a single game, averaged nearly 50 points a game.  Others have told me he has never done such things and he is lucky to go down the court more than twice before substituting out.  So someone that has never played in a real life competitive sport other than Madden 06 for the Ps2, you have no room to degrade our college and our athletic teams.  I am sure the mental midget will retatliate soon so I will be back to see what he has to say. 
P.S.  Daryl even though he is a giant you are right on the mental midget.
P.S.  How do I move up on the scale to ALL-Conference?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 29, 2006, 06:16:21 pm
Another tough, tough loss for the Highlanders, their eighth loss of the season by six points or less. Close throughout, but poor FG shooting was the dagger this time. Shot 30% from the field overall, and went 5-30 from 3-pt land. Ouch. Outrebounded by about 20, and still lost by one. Downham had a terrific game at both ends of the floor, and Eberhart played his heart out.  Nice effort by Kowa and Cunningham too - but Compton didn't score from the field and Robertson struggled, and we really need both of those guys to score in double-digits to have a chance.  We really needed this one. Will be next to impossible to match last season's 9-16 mark now. Two tough ones on the road await Mac. It's gut-check time now. Time to reload.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thetruth_13 on January 29, 2006, 06:34:49 pm
Oh yeah there was a game yesterday.  Mac lost a backbreaker at home to Westminister.  There are some good points that came out of this loss.  Zack Kowa played possibly his most inspired game since his double-double against Millikin.  Possibly putting him back into the starting line up, after several off shooting nights by Compton.  After Seth Whalum left the team, Brett Carroll had to step in after missing a few games.  He lead several  1 on 5 fast breaks.  It seemed like the point guards were the only players running.  With Carroll and steady Kevin Downham leading the break without any options but to pull it out.  Maybe the next few games the rest of the team can pick it up and pick up on the run n gun.  This what the team may need to get a streak going?  Carroll came into the game and gave an instant shot of adrenaline to the team.  If the Highlanders could hit a shot they would have won.  Again the team crumbled in crunch time.  Without a go to guy the team is lost in the final moments of games.  After the first half of conference games the team is 2-5 and have to pick up the intensity.  They must almost go  5-2 for a shot at the conference tourney.  I hope they can pick it up and make a run into the tourney.  Starting off at the Beaver Dome on Wednesday good luck fellas and get it together.  
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACMAN5 on January 29, 2006, 08:23:42 pm
the truth huh?  you are the truth?  since you obviously go to macmurray be a man and reveal yourself...i have a feeling its someone that has ill feelings towards me because he is a pussy, but im not sure...speaking of playstation i take on all challengers
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2006, 08:26:40 pm
Wednesday's games  :

Fontbonne at Greenville :  If Fontbonne ever unleashes their stable of Frosh Big men, they should do it this game.  I don't see how Greenville can stop them.  Trouble is fontbonne doesn't match up real well with Greenville's quickness, and they may have trouble with Greenville's full court pressure.  Still, I think I smell an upset  -  Fontbonne wins close.

The MacMurray I saw at Maryville shouldn't have come close to Westminster, but they did.  Still, I can't imagine them beating Blackburn at Blackburn, but then, we can always dream, eh?    Blackburn

Prin at Westminster... A long trip to Fulton for Prin.... a longer trip home after getting beat.   Note, the Prin lady's team is also winless, but the streak could end vs Westminster - the Westminster lady's were really hurtin when I saw them  

Maryville at Webster   I started to go thru individual matchups, but saw that I was leaving myself open for some potshots, so decided against it  (I get in enough trouble around here)  
Keys  who will get in foul trouble first, Hoggit or Bash?  If either has to spend significant time on the bench, it will hurt their team's chances.
Will Elwell/Regan/Hebl be able to bring Spinner back to Earth - he's been a real handful the last several games
Where was Basilio on Saturday - his absence hurts Webster's depth.
Can Webster slow down Maryville's running game?
Lots of keys in this game - I had a bad feeling for Maryville going into the Blackburn game, but I feel better about this one   Maryville, but I expect a GREAT intense game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on January 30, 2006, 10:37:25 am
fcnews:  Come introduce yourself.  I'm the loud crazy guy at the scorers table announcing.  Probably wearing black polo and kahkis.

As for the Fontbonne / Greenville game.  I'm just ready to put my seatbelt on because with these two teams anything is possible.  I do remember the 03-04 season.  The triple overtime game about killed me.  The thing about that season is we went into like 4 different overtime games.  2 single, 1 double, and one triple.  Great games between Fontbonne and Greenville.  Hopefully we'll have another Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 30, 2006, 10:52:24 am
Will do Panther Pride. 03-04 when your film crew only had enough tape for the first two overtimes. FU hits a 25 footer to send it to OT, GC hits a running 25 footer to send it to OT2, Kevin Roberts hits a 30 footer from the top of the key to send it to OT3. Then what happen we decided to flip a coin I forgot. That might of been the most exhausted group of fans I've ever seen.

By the way - Any word on what Justin Bennett is up to these days. Great Kid.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on January 30, 2006, 07:52:37 pm
Hopefan: Id be interested to see your take on some individual match ups in the WU v MU game.  Don't get scared now, let us hear it. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on January 30, 2006, 10:44:51 pm
fcnews:

I wasn't around when JB (Justin Bennet) was here at Greenville.  From what I understand through my research of GC Hoops is that he was a stud.  Coach Barber has talked alot about him.  He worked a couple camps and I met him.  That was the extent of my knowledge about him.

As for our film crew on the long afternoon, it's still a joke.  So funny.  It was pretty funny that he didn't think about running out of tape.  It was also ironic that there wasn't a parent in the house with a camera.  Oh well.  Those of us who were there will remember that game forever.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on January 30, 2006, 10:46:25 pm
hopefan -- don't take the bait. Keep your thoughts to yourself. BTW, Basilio was back in the lineup tonight for Webster. Didn't start, but played lots of minutes. Webster 64, Eureka 62. Eureka will be a great addition to the conference next year. They play hard, intense basketball almost the whole game. Just enough lapses to keep them from being a terrific, though short, team. Very well coached.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2006, 08:31:13 am
ok, to satisfy both Darryl (thanks for the request), and yjacklok (likely good advice), I will present only a statistical breakdown of perceived matchups in the crucial Maryville - Webster game, without commentary.
points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, assists to turnovers ratio   in CONFERENCE games


Elwell  MU     4.4 ppg,  2.4 rpg,  4.3 apg,  2.3 a/t
Roberts WU  3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.4 apg,  1.7 a/t

Regan MU   16.6 ppg, 3.1rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.5 a/t
Spinner WU  15.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.5 a/t

Hebl  MU  16.9 ppg, 4 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.8 a/t
Messman WU  7.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1 apg, 2.3 a/t

Klein MU   7.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1 apg, 0.7 a/t
Kuhn  WU  14 ppg,  5.4 rpg, 1.4 apg, 0.7 a/t

Bash  MU  8.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 2.3 a/t
Hoggit  WU  12.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.4 rpg, 0.3 a/t

Key Bench
McCarthy/Steinke MU  12.6 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.4 apg,  0.8a/t
Basillio/Robinson   WU  10.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.2 apg, 0.5 a/t

Looks like a couple of advantages on each side, and a couple of tossups, leading to an even game

Team stats show Webster to be shooting a much higher percentage from the field, especially with 3's, but Maryville having many more attempts and shots made per game, including 3's made.  Maryville also has more rebounds and assists per game  -  But all of these stats only serve to reflect the style of game each team plays, as compared to showing a distinct  advantage.
 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2006, 11:51:17 am
Real SLIAC fans might want to check out the posting I made this morning in the SLIAC Women's room  -  it should bring a chuckle or "wow" to most of you.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on January 31, 2006, 01:05:43 pm
Hopefan - Nice post on womens's site. Add FC 2001 and Webster 2002 it gives you three different sliac teams that have appeared on the top 25. Now if we could get the men jump started.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 02, 2006, 12:08:56 am
Great game at Webster, Scott Spinner gets the second of two freethrows with 3 seconds left for a one point win over Maryville.  I'm a disappointed loser... BUT,    Webster and Maryville fans.... Guess who Mac beat tonite  (hint -they played in Carlinville)    MacAttack  front and center  I want a 500 word essay with every glorious detail!!!!

What this does is make it a real three team race, with Webster going to Blackburn, and Blackburn coming to Maryville.  It also goes to show that none of the 3 can afford to look past any of the other five teams!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 02, 2006, 02:30:21 am
Fontbonne Beats Greenville 75-63

First Props go to Panther Pride - My vote for all-sliac 1st team as a 6th Man, nice meeting you Panther. I wish I had half your energy.

Second Props - What a Great atmosphere for basketball. Attendance 600. In the H.L. Long gym that is a big crowd. The Panther Prides pulled a "white out" for the game. Pretty Cool. And Vocal.

Major Prop - FU's Freshmen Class. With Almany not making the trip due to a neck injury. The FU coaching staff went with 7 freshmen and they did not disappoint. Kirkpatrick 23 and 8 rebs. w/ 5 steals, McCoy 20 and 5 assists, Fogerty 14 and 5 rebs., and Storandt with a monster game on the boards 16 with 14 defensive.

First Half was a game of runs. Kirkpatrick had 2 monster dunks in the opening minute and FU jumped out to any early 12 point lead. GC made a late run off turnovers caused by a smothering press. Halftime 35-29. Second half. GC has an early run and ties the score at 48-48. FU has a 10 - 0 run at about the 8 minute mark with 3's from McCoy and Fogerty and 2 off. put backs by Storandt and Kirkpatrick. This run pretty much took the home crowd out of the game. FU played a very good def. game holding Turner 2-12 from the field and Conquest 3 for 13, the two combined to 1-10 from the 3's. Bryson Taylor was 5-11 from the field but the Griffins chose to contest each of his penetrations which resulted in him going 2-8 from FT line. Hensold and Greene both had nice games and kept GC close.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 02, 2006, 12:24:49 pm
Just a tidbit of trivia - With last nights win, FU becomes the first sliac school to post 150 conference wins. BC now stands at 149, so FU may not hold the top spot for long. FU's overall conference record stands at 150-87.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 02, 2006, 12:46:00 pm
fcnews       out of curiosity could you share the overall historical win - loss record of each team with us?  I have no idea how the trend has been... ???

Good to see those frosh rise to the occasion vs Greenville- just so it doesn't carry over to the Maryville game..... :D :D

When a team comes in with a number of good freshmen like Fontbonne has, it's good for the league, whether it means Fontbonne is going to rise to the forefront and represent the league in the NCAAs in the near future, or if it means that other teams will find a way to improve themselves to try to match Fontbonne's efforts.   Let's hope all these young guys see the promising future and don't get down over the wins and losses this year.    Every quality frosh that has a good experience at a SLIAC school will have a good story to tell - and hopefully that generates more good kids coming to more SLIAC schools, and year by year, a better level of Basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 02, 2006, 02:23:59 pm
I couldn't agree more Hope! I'll do some research on the other question.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 02, 2006, 02:40:14 pm
First, here is Greenville's SLIAC Record (as of last night) is 78-71 (.523). I keep all that information.  We are 768-811 (.486) as a program dating back to our first season of 1943-44.  Anyone give me that info on your school??   ;D  I'm just trying to look intelligent.  I'm not trying to show anyone up.

Second, fcnews.  It was great meeting you and thanks for the props on last night.  I have been in the business of announcing for about 10 years (dating back to my 8th grade year.)  I use to do the same thing at Springs Valley HS (French Lick, Ind.) only I had a wireless mic.  It was good times.  I will admit that last night's crowd was the loudest and biggest since the 2003-04 Maryville/Greenville SLIAC Championship game where HJ had about 1200 people there.  Remember that hopefan???

I was definately tickled to death to see the crowd come in white and support the team. 

ON TO THE GAME:  We just couldn't by a shot if we tried.  Both Turner and Conquest had awful nights.  The other guys played well.  Just wished we could have hit a few more shots.  We also could not get over the hump.  As fcnews said, we got the game to 48-48 and hit the ice cubes.  Not a thing from the team.  Crowd was in it until the final horn.

I'm also going to give props to the FU ladies and crowd that was there to stay behind your team even with our crowd being really loud.  Also must appologize to those who seen me yell at Coach McKinney.  There was a mix up on the score and everyone was yelling at our score keeper of 5 or so years and he was as well.  I did yell at him to quit yelling at her as I did other around.  In the heat of the game and all that was going on, I got upset.  So to those who seen me and heard me yell, i appologize to you.  I also personally appologized to Coach McKinney and the coach staff.

So, where does that leave me?  It leave me with a team in between a rock and a hard place.  Six games left and the top four are really running away with it.  I hope we can pull out a few more before the season ends.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 02, 2006, 04:09:40 pm
Panther Pride - That incident was forgotten when the final buzzer sounded. When your 6-13 you just fight for every bucket. Class act with the apology. The FU v. GC games have always been heated affairs, back to the Coach Faulkner days. But there is nothing but mutual respect and freindships between the two schools and staffs.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on February 02, 2006, 06:13:08 pm
I don't know anything about this conference but I wanted to post just once so I could have 4 posts in the new header at the same time. "The Roop" out.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 02, 2006, 06:15:31 pm
You need to get a life.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on February 02, 2006, 06:18:13 pm
And your conference needs to get a team capable of winning an NCAA game.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on February 02, 2006, 07:37:27 pm
You have to be able to come up with a better comeback than that "The Roop."  We accept anything from calling people pedophiles to overweight playstation addicts.  Just please come up with something better than calling out the conference when FC hits you with a personal insult, its not the conferences fault after all.   
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on February 02, 2006, 07:40:26 pm
Good point Daryl,

So anyway fcnews, does your wife still talk in her sleep ???
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 02, 2006, 08:15:28 pm
She did when I divorced her 6 years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 02, 2006, 08:17:19 pm
Daryl what was the problem with the score last nite. Heard something about a discrepiensie.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on February 02, 2006, 08:23:02 pm
6 years ago, hmmmmmmmmmm. Nope, not her, but I still like that joke anyway. LOL.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on February 02, 2006, 08:23:48 pm
FC: I dont know about the men's game, I was only able to watch the first half before something came up.  I do know that in the women's game they played with a mens ball for a good part of the first half, thats the only incident that occured last night as far as I know.  I believe hopefan was there, so perhaps he can shed some light on this.  
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 02, 2006, 09:11:20 pm
It really was rather amusing - the girls go 14 minutes, it's 10-10, the worst basketball you can imagine from either team, and the referee realizes they're using a men's ball......  I can not imagine how the girls couldn't have sensed it having warmed up with girl's basketballs, and the ultimate blame goes to the 3 officials who would normally check the ball prior to the game.    The change of balls did little to help the quality of play, as the half ended at 16 -16.  The Maryville coach threw a fit in order to get a little stage time, but in the long run, most people thought it was pretty funny, including the players.

No scoring discrepancy in either game that I'm aware of.....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 03, 2006, 12:59:19 am
fcnews:  thanks alot! :)  I have learned of those friendships from Coach Barber.  And I just wanted to clear the air to get it off my back. :)

Good Luck to all the teams this weekend.
GC at Maryville:  Gonna be a tough one for my Panthers.  I look for us to bounce back, but fall short.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mac_support on February 03, 2006, 01:36:04 am
What actually happened in the Beaverdome last night.  Not being able to attend all of Mac's games I was totally surprised to see the final score of a game played at Blackburn.  How about some help here Mac Attack, or Tuuth 13.  How did it all come about.  Seems to me to have been the biggest upset in the SLIAC the entire year.

Looking for some input on how it happened.

Thank you and Go Highlanders
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 03, 2006, 06:10:55 am
I wasn't able to make the Mac-Blackburn game - sure picked a doozy of night to miss the Highlanders! Maybe there's an inside message in this somewhere??? I miss the game, Mac pulls the upset. Hmmmmm......

Regardless, congratulations are due for Coach DeNeve and his team. After so many close losses this season, the odds were on Mac getting it done, and they did. With their lack of size and eratic shooting, Mac always lives on the edge. But when everything comes together, look out. If you'll remember last year, Mac beat both the regular season winner and the play-off winner, and were in a position to make the post-season up until the last conference game or two. Too many losses in the first half of conference play may preclude a post-season berth, but they're obviously a dangerous team at this point. If they can beat the teams they should beat, steal one more on the road, and win out at home, they could do it. I know it hasn't always looked like it this year, but the talent is there.

I think Kowa, Hipshir, and Compton are the keys. Downham, Huff, and Eberhart have been steady all season long, and Robertson has been terrific for a freshmen. But Kowa, Hipshir, and Compton are the keys. If they score, rebound, and defend, they're pretty good. If one or more of these three "disappear" in any game, a win is a longshot.

One win does not a season make....but it's a start.

Good luck to all SLIAC teams this week-end. Be careful on the highways, and I hope your teams stay injury-free.

Go Highlanders!

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 03, 2006, 08:34:08 am
Might also be worth noting that in their first game Blackburn only beat Mac by one point. Maybe it was first conference game jitters/excitement, or maybe Mac presents some matchup problems for Blackburn. Anyway, thanks to Mac for making the conference race more interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 03, 2006, 09:14:35 am
I'll be travelling the long road today to see Albion at Hope tomorrow.  Anyone at the games, be a good SLIAC fan and post some info afterwards so I can see the results on Saturday night!!!!
Could be a rough trip  -  it's snowing in Holland Mi right now.......

After having Mac beat Blackburn on Wednesday, no prediction is safe (unless you predict Prin to lose)....  will normalcy return, or will things get more mixed up??
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sliaccommish on February 03, 2006, 10:50:03 am
For Hopefan and the other posters, the results are on the SLIAC website (www.sliac.org) at 10:30 pm weeknights and 6:00 pm on Saturdays.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 03, 2006, 12:07:34 pm
Wrong size ball, hmmm. That's one way to try and slow down the Lady Saints. To the fans of sliac basketball, the Griffins play BC on the final night of conference play. We will do our best to try and secure the Post Season Tourney at a St. Louis site.

After watching them shoot 56% from the feild wednesday night I'm hoping "The Future is Now." We'll see Saturday.

Hopefan be careful on the roads, we'd hate to lose you.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 03, 2006, 08:21:27 pm
hopefan:

Yes, please do be careful up in Michigan.  We need you back here to cheer on the SLIAC. :)

FCNews, hold down the fort there in St. Louis v. Mac.  We'll be across town playing Maryville.

Again, good luck to all teams this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 04, 2006, 05:04:28 pm
MC 88 FU 71 - MC 14-29 3pt, FU 7-20 end of story. Game was closer then score. Parents day and FU got all personnel in the final minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 04, 2006, 07:48:48 pm
Score from Maryville (Mo.)

Maryville 85 - Greenville 74

It was a pretty good game.  Greenville got in the whole big and couldn't dig out.  The Saints lead got near 20 points when Greenville rallied back to cut it to 8.

Scoring leaders were Ben Hebl (MU) who had 21 points.  He was followed by Matt Baker (MU) with 12.

* NOTE - Bash played 4 minutes before falling to the floor and holding his injured knee.  He did not return to action.  He had two points.

For Greenville, Ben Hensold (GC) had 14 points while Christopher Simmons had 11 and Matt Green with 10.  Both Simmons and Greene coming from the bench.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 04, 2006, 08:13:10 pm
A real shame if Bash is gone - McCarthy will have to step up, and I think he is capable, but depth is just clobbered.  It's snowing hard here in Mighigan  -  Hope won easily in front of 3600, standing room only - incredible -

I'll find out about Bash on Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 04, 2006, 10:28:48 pm
heck - speaking of McCarthy, where was he?   He didn't make the boxscore????
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on February 05, 2006, 02:44:17 am
Heres what WC site had to say about the WU win:

WC Men Rally Late, But Fall 60-50
2/4/2006 
Westminster College was outscored 18-8 in the final four minutes and fell to Webster University 60-50 Saturday in St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference menís basketball action in Fulton.

Freshman Kurt Kuschel, who scored a team-high 15 points for Westminster (8-11, 5-4 SLIAC), tied the game at 42 each with a basket with 4:04 remaining in the game. Webster (9-11, 7-2 SLIAC) quickly extended its advantage to double digits on the way to victory. Corey Kuhn paced Webster with 21 points.

Westminster held a 27-26 lead at intermission, but managed just 29 percent field goal shooting in the second half and hit just 37 percent (21-of-57) for the game. Webster shot 59 percent (22-of-37) for the game
 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grahamsmith on February 05, 2006, 02:49:16 am
i would like to say good job to my boys over at mac...they are riding a two game winning streak and boy oh boy are they looking good doin it....i love you guys and i wanna say good job and keep up the hard work.....i love my highlanders!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 06, 2006, 11:53:41 am
Huge games this Wednesday that will be critical in determining Conference Playoff positions

Webster at Blackburn - Should be a great game - Webster is the hottest team in the conference, and will logjam the top of the standings with a win.  Webster seems to match up well with Blackburns speed, and should have an advantage on the boards - will they take care of the ball?  Allen vs Spinner should be a great matchup.  The great equalizer though, is that darned Blackburn Court.

Fontbonne at MU - wow, if Bash is out and McCarthy still ill, I don't know how MU will get it done vs Fontbonne's size.  MU's frosh big guys don't match too well vs FU's big frosh.  On the other hand, Fontbonne's youth have been so inconsistent.  This should be an interesting game - interesting enough to keep me at Maryville rather than going up to Blackburn.

Mac at Prin - Mac's win streak continues, and they can really think about that 4th playoff spot

Westminster at Greenville - Huge game for Westminster - neither team seems to be playing up to their capabilities.  Tough to win at Greenville, but then, Gville hasn't played well in two weeks.  A Westminster loss would put them in a tie with Mac for 4th, somthing that looked illogical just a week ago.


Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2006, 07:25:09 am
I hate it when the SLIAC falls to the bottom of the page because nobody is posting....
Darryl, Yjak, where are you... biggest game of the year tomorrow night for the Gorlocks - tomorrow night I'm definitely a Gorlock fan   (nothing against Blackburn, but I'd rather see the conference tourney in St Louis than Carlinville)!!
FC, where are you?  The youngsters should be prime to upset the Saints..
Mac Attack, Macfan where are you,  your team is back in it!!!!
Commish - I posed a couple questions about neutral site for conference tourney and how the tiebreakers work  -  no response???

Best time of the year and no one's talkin'!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 07, 2006, 09:35:51 am
I'll post hopefan.

Big game tomorrow for the Panthers on both the men's and women's side of things.  Greenville is in what I think is a must-win situation v. Westminster (Mo.).  I win would get us back on track and keep us in the hunt for 4th. 

In the first game, neither team played well as both teams combined for 55 total turnovers in the game.  Greenville failed to score for the first 10 minutes of the game.  Westminster didn't close the Panthers out until the closing minutes of the game.

The Panthers need to have a big night.  We play three of our final five games at home (Westminster, Blackburn, Principia).  Historically, we have been great at home.  As FCNews and Hopefan has eluided to eariler, HJ is a tough place to play and I'm doing all I can to get us cranked up for tomorrows game.

Just one stab at our SLIAC Officiating Crews.  It seems to me that they have been focused on the crowd and not the game.  They spend more time listning to who is yelling and taunting them then calling a good game.  I have seen this numerous times on both the men's and women's sides.  They also get influenced when a coach really rides them.  I'm not going to throw out any examples, but they just seem to be struggling a little this year.

All in all, I wanted to post for hopefan. Heres to you hope fan! :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 07, 2006, 12:06:01 pm
Panther Pride - I know of one instance of officiating your speaking of. One almost T and the next four or five hand checks go to the coach on them. The officiating has gotten to the point that games are getting away from them. And, these officals enjoy controlling the games.

It amazes me that Div. I took the lead to clean up their game. Emphasis on hand checking and the rough play in the paint. Three years later your seeing a different game at their level. Still D II, DIII and even high school are playing a rougher game then the big boys. I know basketball is a physical game, but there is a difference in playing physical and fouling until you see how for a crew will let you go. Let's just be consistant for 40 minutes. And, it is definately a rule that you can not hand check the guy your guarding.

FU has MU, WU and BC all on the road. Come on boys let's make a splash in somebodies pool.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 07, 2006, 12:57:58 pm
Sorry for my absenteeism. Been on the road....

I think MacMurray can win three of their remaining five conference games, and finish 7-7 in conference play. They possibly could go 4-1, or maybe 2-3, but I think 3-2 is reasonable. I also think Westminster could go 2-3, which would make both teams 7-7. I would assme in case of ties, the league will use head-to-head records. If Mac wins at Westminster, they would split for the season - then what would they use as the tie-breaker?

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2006, 01:22:36 pm
ok  now there's some activity - good to see.

Mac - I believe, though am not 100% certain, that your tiebreaker is how each team did vs the top of the standings....  for example, if Maryville is in 1st, Webster 2nd, BBurn third, did Mac or Wes have a better record vs No 1 Maryville, if one of them was 1-1, and the other 0-2, the tie is broken.  If the record is the same, did either team have a better record against  No 2 Webster?  If not, then against no 3 BBurn; if not, then against no 6 Greenville , if not, then against no 7 Fontbonne.  If each school had same record against all other schools, they then may go to a point differential in the two head to head games.  HOWEVER, I'M not certain on any of this... wish the commish would let us know.  I looked on the SLIAC site and they still refer to the old formate of no conference tourney, tie for championship is played off.  Obviously outdated
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 07, 2006, 01:38:05 pm
Hope fan - you got it close, I think. I was told first tie breaker is head to head and then record against 1-2-3, ect. Or is that what you just stated.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 07, 2006, 01:54:18 pm
Tommorrow nights MU v. FU match up will be interesting. Can FU's size in the paint overcome MU's maturity at the guard spots. If FU can't find away to stop Regan and limit the good looks from Hebl, then inside game won't matter.

FU's problem this year is that when you start 6'5. 6'7 and 6'8 accross the back and you face sliac teams playing 3-4 or 5 guards, it makes for some quickness match ups that don't favor the big men. Plus, most of this years crop of quality perimeter players are upper classman that exploit this.

The game will depend alot (unfortunetly) on how this game is called. If they let the contact go in the guard play, then MU is to physical. If they let them play inside then it favors the Griffins. Can FU with stand that one big run the Saints "will" make.

Fontbonne hasn't won at Maryville in a long while. It is the toughest shooting gym in the conference. This year FU is not looking at alot of 3's and it doesn't effect shots 10 and in. Plus these kids have never loss at MU so it's all new.

To much thinking. Let's play. I'll take 17 pts for a cup of coffee.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 07, 2006, 02:27:41 pm
hopefan and fcnews:

I think your tie-breaker work is right because we was looking at the cases last year because we could have been in a tie with Prin.  So, I think what you said was correct.  If a tie-breaker game must be played, it will be on Wednesday at a neutral floor.  (Prin/Greenville game was going to be played at Maryville).
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 07, 2006, 02:46:03 pm
I hate to be a whiner, but the lack of any work by the MacMurray sports information director or department is getting real old. I have no idea who this person is, but according to the athletic website, the school has one. Yet in last Sunday's Jacksonville newspaper, there wasn't one word in the sport's section about Mac's win at Fontbonne - and this isn't the first time. No box score, no stats, no story, no nothing. How in the world can this college promote its basketball team if it doesn't lift a finger to proide the local media with game reports. No excuse. Whatever this person is gettng paid to be Mac's SID, it's too much. The program would get a bigger bag for its buck if it took this person's salary for handling SID work and throwing it out in the middle of I-72. The football picture on the athletic home page is wearing a little thin too. No stats for the basketball team. Come on. Most of these issues require very little effort and money - but it does require some time, pride in the school, and pride in the athletic program. I was hoping the new athletic director would tighten things up, bring some class to the different sports teams, and promote the kids and coaches. It's not that hard, and I think people would contribute to a program that wants to be first class, regardless of the enrollment. No question it would help recruiting. But when people in the same town don't even know the basketball team played, let alone defeated a pretty good team on the road, you're going nowhere. Fast.

My two cents.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2006, 02:50:54 pm
ooops so pantherpride, are you saying yes to the vs1, vs2, vs 3 format that FC and I both suggested, but if that ends in a tie, then a playoff, rather than point differential?

Regarding your comments about the officiating, while I have been careful to lay no blame on officiating for outcomes of games, I witnessed something at the Webster - Maryville game I didn't like.  A fan, a mature fan with 2 young kids with him, voiced in a reasonable manner that he disagreed with a call. (ie, no profanity, no condescending remark toward the official) - a comment like "come on ref, he was obviously over the back, that's gotta be a foul" - right at a timeout.  For the whole timeout, the ref stared the guy down, almost daring him to say something else.  Like an umpire arguing back and challenging a player, I though the official's demeanor was uncalled for.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2006, 03:04:25 pm
Mac, I would guarantee you that it would be VERY easy to call the athletic department, and speak to either the SID, or the Athletic Director.  Believe me, these schools tend to treat supporters of the program well... I would be shocked if you got a negative response.  Just have your facts straight when you call.  It would probably lead to improvement.

I have called many schools or emailed schools suggesting they get their web pages updated so that D3 fans like myself know the scores (I keep a large data base) - 9 times out of 10 I see things get updated immediately, usually with a "thanks for your interest" comment.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 07, 2006, 04:29:38 pm
ooops so pantherpride, are you saying yes to the vs1, vs2, vs 3 format that FC and I both suggested, but if that ends in a tie, then a playoff, rather than point differential?

Yes, if the v1 / v2 / v3 format doesn't work, it goes to the playoff game.  I "believe" that was the case last year.  There was a conference call where the cases were explained to all the coaches.  I can't find it wrote down anywhere in my notes from last year.  That's just what I remember.  Sorry.

Officials:  I only bring this up because I did yell a little at the refs v. Maryville (women) on Saturday.  First half fouls were in the neighborhood of 13-5/6.  In the second half, they let things go all over and the official stoped the game, pointed me out and said one more word and I would be asked to leave.  I volunteered to leave because they were doing a horrible job and I told them that as I left in a suitable manor (no cussing or verbal bashing).

I come from Indiana (where I feel basketball is the best) and I have never seen an official stop a game and threated to toss a fan.  I have been apart of the game for 10 years now.  I have seen the officials stop the game and toss fans or almost toss fans alot.  I've also seen in two or three times in HS games here in IL.  It's fustrating that the officials sit and worry so much about the crowd.  Call the game.  That's what you are paid to do, not police the crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mac_support on February 07, 2006, 04:48:54 pm
I couldn't agree more with Mac Attack.  We on more than a couple of occasions have e-mailed both the AD and the SID and received back some very well written chin music.  Very, very well written I must add.  I feel sorry for the seniors at Mac in that their last year to play has to be with such poor support of those that you feel you should be able to count on. 

As far as recruiting, Mac use to have at least a little edge in that their games were broadcast on the web for the parents, grandparents, anyone who wanted to follow their son or daughter they could log on and listen to nearly every single game, and now nothing.  Stats use to be posted an hour after the end of the contest.  It is just a crying shame to see the college make some personnel changes and go so backwards.  Actually it is amazing that this can happen this day and age in the age of advanced electronics.

In addition to Mac Attack's comment on the football picture, how about on the picture on the basketball page?  It is nice to see the captains, and they played a big role on any team, but we are talking about a team so why not a picture of the team?  Why a picture of just 3 players off the team.  Did the college not take a team picture?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2006, 04:54:45 pm
I have met pantherpride several times at Greenville vs Maryville games, and had discussions with him on this site.  I would define him as a "good kid" who does a great job on the microphone at Greenville Games.  It is VERY hard for me to imagine his actions would merit a warning from an official.

That brings out a good discussion topic - how far should a fan be allowed to go before an official should acknowledge him.  Certainly profanity, personal remarks, threats all justify expulsion.  Until this year, I don't know that I've ever seen the type of fan-official interaction that I've seen this year.  Are the fans getting worse, or the officials more sensitive?   Remember, I left my seat and  stood at the end of the court at Blackburn to get away from a fellow Maryville fan who was going WAY too far with the things he was saying at an official.

My feeling is this - while I have seen some very poor officiating this year, I don't consider anything I've seen to be so blatantly onesided that it generated a win or loss.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sliaccommish on February 08, 2006, 12:32:19 am
OK, I probably shouldn't have posted in the first place and I'm not going to respond to all comments, but here goes:

TIE-BREAKERS

A tie for fourth will be played off on February 22 at a neutral court to be determined by the Commissioner, unless one of the tied teams has won both games between the two.

Any other tie will be determined by, in order, results between the two tied teams, results of the two tied teams against other SLIAC teams beginning with the highest ranked, point differential in the games between the two tied teams, and a coin flip conducted by the Commissioner.

POST SEASON TOURNAMENT

Having a Post Season Tournament to determine the SLIAC representative in the NCAA Tournament was adopted only after a long struggle. Some in the conference felt it would make the regular season meaningless. Holding the tournament on the homecourt of the champion, and allowing only the top four teams in, gives meaning to the regular season.

Therefore it WILL be played on the homecourt of the champion.

That said, if it is at Blackburn, we have some ideas to insure that as many fans as possible can watch their team play.

OFFICIATING

After a recent SLIAC game, a very successful and respected area high school coach made the exact comments to me about Division I cleaning up rough play as FC News did in his post. The next night I watched the North Carolina-Maryland game on TV. Are you kidding me? Division I may have cleaned up hand-checking some, but the rest of the play was full body contact!

Officials paying attention to comments from the stands, unless they are profane, threatening, or abusive, is not acceptable. On that I agree with those who commented.

I enjoy reading everyone's posts, but this is probably the last time you will hear from me.

 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2006, 01:11:01 am
Thanks for posting. Hopefully you can continue to push your member schools to report scores to us so the SLIAC can be a little less obscure.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grahamsmith on February 08, 2006, 01:33:05 am
look for my highlanders to win tomorrow, and not only make it to the conference tournament but make a serious run at the national championship....with brett carroll (sorry macman) inserted in the gameplan this macmurray team is the best division III team i have ever seen...i hear that lance wallace's playing time will be increasing soon and thats all this team needs a solid spark off of the bench and we will see you at the national championship
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2006, 07:19:48 am
Sliaccommish, yes thanks for posting - the explanation of tiebreakers will help me to see the ramifications of future wins and losses as the season winds down.

One thing I MUST disagree with - there is no way to make a conference tourney at the Blackburn facility a comfortable situation for fans -  nor is it a best effort to provide teams with a "best possible" experience. 
For Years, Hope College was forced to move NCAA tournament games from its in town normal home court, which sold out most home games at 2600, to its on campus regulation court facility, shrinking attendance to 1500. (the in town court was off regulation by a couple of feet).  Courts can be changed for the better.

PAT COLEMAN  -  while I know you are referring to schools properly sending scores to D3Hoops so you don't have to chase them down, I will say that the SLIAC has a fine conference site - scores are generally posted within several hours after the games.  Makes it much easier for us scoreboard nuts, and if you do have people who find scores for you, it provides one stop shopping :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 08, 2006, 09:17:38 am
sliaccomish:  Thanks again for posting your comments.  I would say the, about the officials and fans, that the head of officials need to explain this to the officials of our conference.  It has happened too many times for me to just be comfortable by hearing it from you. (Not ment as a slam, just a comment.)

I say this because Greenville gets a bad rap (I feel) because we have the best fans hands down in the conference.  Win or lose, the whole campus comes out to support the team.  Last week when we played FU, we had 600 here and we are 5-14.  Our fans yell, cheer, and get crazy and officials are either threatning to throw them our or complaining to someone higher (not sure if its the head of officials or you sliaccommish.)  This has been the case for a few years.  I just think the officials need to focus on the game.  They ARE college officials.  If they can't take a few hundred fans yelling, what would happen if you threw them out in a bigger D-III game like IL Wesleyan/Elmhurst?  They'd crack like eggs on easter.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2006, 10:22:08 am
GREAT LINE panther--

FC, tonite if you disagree or if I disagree with a call, we need to tell the ref, "You're crackin' like an egg at Easter"    ...  oops, wait, that might get us kicked out.....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 08, 2006, 12:26:21 pm
In know fault of my own, I have known almost everyone of these Zebras for years and years. A good amount have been hear since day one. I guess since they don't imorove we're stuck with them. Or maybe, this is the last stop on the way to retirement. Either way I am on a first name basis with 90% of them and when I yell they know where it came from. That's why I sat behind you Pride at Greenville. Every time John looked my way I pointed at you. HaHa. I did blow my chance for an announcers debut. In one of your trips to the other side of the floor one of the women players dared me to slip to the mike and give a play by play on "your antics". Ten years ago maybe, but I'm much more mature these days.

Trick of the day - Tonite when telling that offical who has peeved you off all night (and there will be one). Call him by his first name when you tell him he stinks. Then check here for the final.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on February 08, 2006, 12:37:47 pm
look for my highlanders to win tomorrow, and not only make it to the conference tournament but make a serious run at the national championship....with brett carroll (sorry macman) inserted in the gameplan this macmurray team is the best division III team i have ever seen...i hear that lance wallace's playing time will be increasing soon and thats all this team needs a solid spark off of the bench and we will see you at the national championship
Oh my goodness!  Maybe you did not go across town to IC and see watch Lawrence, Carroll, Grinnell or Ilinois Wesleyan?  Or realize that should MacMurray win the SLIAC (not likely) the SLIAC record since 1995 in NCAA Tournament is 0 - 9 ::)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 08, 2006, 02:17:51 pm
Not that IWU hs been tearing it up lately....

My sense is grahamsmith's comment may have been on the tongue in cheek side of the equation...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2006, 02:44:36 pm
Chris Bunch owns the SLIAC
ever since he has been in the louis, he is now poised to win the conference again, yes i know he is in 3rd now but give him time
He is a good example of what my grandfather always said, hair and brains don't mix
Just give bunch a few more games and he will be in the driver's seat
Bunch for president
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on February 08, 2006, 06:03:03 pm
hey grubb, i believe i would take coach kaneshiro over bunch anyday.  and listening to some of websters kids they would to. it was pretty sweet last season in the conference tournament (bc vs wu) blackburn fans started chanting 'we've got coach k'.  i mean owns the sliac....come on man
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on February 08, 2006, 06:05:45 pm
o and hopefan. i believe bc won at wu earlier this year. don't think that home court is the only advantage for the beavers. now don't make a liar out of me boys. go beavers
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 08, 2006, 06:16:11 pm
That egg line might be the smartest thing I have ever said in the history of me! :)

I'm pretty proud of myself! lol  ;D  8)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2006, 09:22:16 pm
PAT COLEMAN  -  while I know you are referring to schools properly sending scores to D3Hoops so you don't have to chase them down, I will say that the SLIAC has a fine conference site - scores are generally posted within several hours after the games.  Makes it much easier for us scoreboard nuts, and if you do have people who find scores for you, it provides one stop shopping :D :D

I do understand this, and on the frequent occasions I am hunting SLIAC scores it is my first stop. However, that isn't the point. We shouldn't really have to pick up the SLIAC sliack.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 09, 2006, 12:19:34 am
Maryville beats Fontbonne, Blackburn beats Webster, Westminster beats Greenville, Mac Beats Prin.

Blackburn still has to play at Maryville, but even if Maryville beats them and wins the rest of their games, Blackburn has the tiebreaker over MU.  Blackburn goes to Greenville, and after Maryville, has Westminster and Fontbonne at home - I don't see them faltering in any of those other games..

It looks like we're going back to Carlinville, and I'm gonna complain every day on these pages.   FOUR rows of Bleachers, One side of the Court!!!!!!!!!  And 20eagle, believe me up front, I don't have a single bad word to say about your team - only the facility and limited seating

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 09, 2006, 09:06:56 am
First of all, i have come to find out a lot more people than I though from Greenville read this board. How do I know this, I had many laughters about my egg comment! So, to my fellow Greenville people, hello! :)

Westminster (Mo.) d. Greenville 75-71

Greenville was out of the gate early on Westminster building at 12 point lead midway through the 1st half.  The 15 points Greenville lead was never steady as Westminster cut it as low at 7, but stood at 11 at halftime. 

In the second half, Coach Mitchell had the Blue Jays ready to play as they come out on a big run and took the lead from Greenville quick and it was the Panthers playing catch up. Robert Davis came of the bench from Westminster and play 20 huge minutes, hitting two three's in crutial points down the stretch for the blue jays.

Westminster has about a 8 points lead with under a minute to play in the contest and it looked all but over, but a couple quick steals and baskets/free throws off of Coach Barbers press pulled the Panthers back within 3 at one point, but Westminster was on from the line, shooing 8-12 (66.7) in the 2nd half while Greenville struggled at 11-19 (57.9).  The Blue Jay's held on for a 75-71 win.

I think this probably eliminates us from Tournament contention with two losses to the fourth place team.  We'd have to have to go 4-0 and Westmin and Mac to lose which seems difficult.  Another good crowd on hand for the Greenville game though.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 09, 2006, 01:45:29 pm
Hopefan - I've been waiting on your post of last nites game between MU v. FU.
Any takes?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 09, 2006, 03:58:51 pm
FC  I should say age before beauty  -  I was waiting to hear from you - disappointed you didn't introduce yourself at the game - I meandered several times past the Fontbonne bench during the evening with my newly purchased Hope College hat on - Also visited with Coach Porter for most of half time.

My take on the game - Why in the world FC didn't exploit Bash's absence, I'll never know.  You saw our 2 big freshmen; no match for your big guys.  Rezebeck was playing virtually first game this season, totally out of kilter - if you get McCarthy in foul trouble, we're dead ducks.  Instead, FC played perimeter the whole first half -by the end of the half, I was almost yelling, "shoot it again Andrew, shoot it again!!!"  your second half comeback was keyed by Storant, Fogarty, and Sheppard - if they see the ball in the first half, you're not down 16 at half - and Kirkpatrick, an animal, about 30% of the time - someone needs to light a fire under him, or he needs more bench time.

The flow of the game was similar to many of Maryville's games  - early lead, comfortable with 10 minutes left, then hang on for dear life.  Regan missing about 8 shots in a row, including foul shots didn't help -  just one of those things. 

Incidently, I thought your ladies made a great effort - ran out of steam in last 10 minutes, but made MU's defense look sad for a large part of the game, getting layup after layup.

Carlinville  -  ugh
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 09, 2006, 04:22:19 pm
Just looked at stats and play by play of Webster - Blackburn

Webster up 8 with 4:30 left  -   ouch

Bigger ouch  Spinner, 1 for 5 in 37 minutes?????
Kuhn  2 for 7      8 points between them???

ouch - big free throw differential  -  hmmm, same thing Maryville experienced there.

The best thing that can happen is that Maryville beats Blackburn bad at home next Wednesday  -  otherwise, I'm afraid there will be some psyched out teams travelling to Carlinville for the conference.  I'd go, but I'm not sure if I'll get a seat - hey, if I bring a folding chair can I sit at the end  ??? ::) ::) ;D ;D

Maybe Eagle would save me a spot????

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 09, 2006, 10:59:02 pm
One comment about the environment in the Blackburn gym. I don't think it is the size of the gym that affects other teams. I think it is the lighting, which is very poor. Blackburn gets to practice in it every day, and play half their games there. Their opponents get there once a year. Familiarity with an environment is part of what creates a home court advantage. I also think it affects the visibility of the refs who, based on the experience of at least two teams now, seem to believe the good guys wear white.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 09, 2006, 11:07:21 pm
hopefan. Regarding the number of rows of seats at Blackburn, I counted them last night. There are 6 -- that's 50% more than you are giving them credit for.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 09, 2006, 11:10:29 pm
pantherpride. I know Greenville  has a loyal following. I've been very impressed the last five years with the support your team gets. However, I was at Greenville a few weeks ago for the Webster games and I feel pretty darn sure that you had nowhere close to 600 fans (combined -- Webster & Greenville) at those games.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 09, 2006, 11:20:58 pm
Last week when we played FU, we had 600 here and we are 5-14. 


yjacklok, maybe you should re-read the post.  I never said at the Webster/Greenville game there was 600 people there.  There was at the Fontbonne game.  At the Greenville/Webster game, there was 250 people there.  
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 10, 2006, 04:32:01 am
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You saw our 2 big freshmen; no match for your big guys.  Rezebeck was playing virtually first game this season, totally out of kilter - if you get McCarthy in foul trouble, we're dead ducks.

Hopefan - your two freshmen? FU's whole team is freshmen. You didn't mention Klein, and McCarthy had a better game then Bash's four points in the first meeting. The freshmen had pretty fair games Storandt double - double (15 boards) and Kirkpatrick did have a double also with 11 boards. You are right on about the effort issue. He's a freshmen that was bigger then opponents in HS and was taught 0 post moves, so it has been a learning year for Ryan. Alot of the time he is just pacing himself instead of giving 110% for 5 or 6 and then getting a rest.

FU's plan going in was not to allow MU to hit 15 3's. Goal accomplished. Defensively a great job on Hebl. Regan is Regan and we tried to make him take as difficult a shot as possible.
FU's halftime adjustments worked great at both ends of the floor. Just to much ground to cover.
The game was officiated in two halves again. 1st, both teams combined to shoot 5 ft's. They were leting the kids play. 2nd half, combined 36 ft's (MU 27 FU 9) I know there were four to six ft's at the end due to fouling to stop the clock, but that is still 21-9. It was the steady play of Regan that kept FU from getting over the hump. I don't think Coach Rogers enjoyed playing the seniors that much, but MU's bench couldn't hold a lead. This may be the only thing stopping MU's chances. I would expect a big recruiting class for MU next year. After you get through the five seniors things appear to be a little slim.

Great to hear Bash may see time Saturday, no way for any kid to finish a great career. Sorry I missed ya. Was looking for a Hope Sweatshirt, don't pay much attention to hats. Great atmosphere also.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 10, 2006, 08:34:34 am
pantherpride. I know you said the 600 in attendance was for the Fontbonne game. You also said "win or lose the whole campus come out to support the team." A total of 250 at the Webster games doesn't constitute the whoel campus, does it?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 10, 2006, 02:04:13 pm
ok  time to run down tomorrow's games :

Fontbonne at Prin - FCnews comes home with a smile on his face :)

Maryville at Westminster - This game scares me big time - Westminster played very well at Maryville - they match up well against the Saints size and quickness.  Maryville can't be looking forward to the Wednesday Blackburn game....  Bash said he felt he would be ready for this game, but I wonder if he won't sit til Blackburn.
McDormand has his best games against MU - gotta shut him down.

Blackburn at Greenville - A win by Greenville would make their season, and everyone in the conference is probably rooting for the upset.  Two smaller quick shooting teams.  But has Greenville packed it in?
Come on pantherpride, get us ONE game out of these guys!!!

Mac at Webster - Crucial game for Mac - if they win, they could be tied for the 4th conference spot.  They've really turned it around, and the upset at Blackburn was tremendous, but I just can't see it happening at Webster.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on February 10, 2006, 05:24:20 pm
yea i can see how the lighting would affect an opponent at blackburn. you're prolly talkin about the shadow that is cast at the goal that makes the rim invisible. and it is almost impossible for the official to make a call when that same mysterious shadow follows blackburns players on defence so they get to hold and push somethin awful. that is prolly why there is such a foul differential or maybe it is because the boys of bc are a little more aggressive when playing at home because of the pride they have on their home court. i don't know just throwin stuff out. come on man come up with better stuff than that. next i'll be reading about the goal that moves when maryville or webster shoots. o yea and zach allen mvp. also that match up with spinner and allen real nail bitter.
keep it up beavers.
in all seriousness though blackburn does need new facilities somethin fierce. but we're proud of what lil we do have.
and why can't mac win at webster. they did it at bc. go get'em mac
eagle out.......see ya on the fly by
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 11, 2006, 12:07:51 am
pantherpride. I know you said the 600 in attendance was for the Fontbonne game. You also said "win or lose the whole campus come out to support the team." A total of 250 at the Webster games doesn't constitute the whoel campus, does it?

yjaclok, the student body was not completely back on campus for the Webster game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 11, 2006, 02:01:47 am
Now that I look back at my calendar, the student body wasn't back for the MacMurray game.  Bottom line is, there isn't too many schools if any in the SLIAC that brings the crowd out like Greenville.  And don't begin to say Webster, because it's not close.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 11, 2006, 08:59:37 am
pantherpride. As I said in my very first post on this subject, I have been impressed with the following Greenville has. That was said sincerely, not satirically. Webster does not come close to matching the support Greenville gets. The fact that many students were not back on campus helps me understand the smaller than usual crowd when Webster played up there.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 11, 2006, 09:29:36 am
yjackloc - thanks.  i didn't mean to come across sarcastically.  After re-reading my post, it does sound that way a little...

Good Luck teams today!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 11, 2006, 11:13:06 am
Here's my picks-
FU gets a W
BC wins, sorry Pride.
Mac runs into trouble at WU, WU with a win to stay in the hunt.
The tough one - MU wins if Bash plays 20 minutes, if Steve can't go then WC gets a big win.

Good Luck to All and safe traveling.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 11, 2006, 12:49:33 pm
I'll give my line on today's games too.

Blackburn d. Greenville : I think my boys will come out and play, but BC is just a very disciplined team.

Fontbonne d. Principia : Sorry, is that even a question?

Maryville d. Westminster : Could be barn-burner.  Westminster played well 2nd half vs. GC.  So, I could be interesting.

Webster d. MacMurray : Toss Up.  I'll take Webster.

I'd like to give a shoutout to the GC Women's team which has new life in them with some things that have transpired throughout the lower tier of the SLIAC.  If my ladies can take care of business the next three games, they could get the fourth seed and salavage a long season.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 11, 2006, 03:48:28 pm
That's right.  Ask and you shall recieve.  The Greenville Panthers UPSET UPSET UPSET the Blackburn Beavers in HJ Long 61-55.  Greenville had 4 in double figures with Bryson Taylor, Ben Hensold, and Christopher Simmons with 11 and Matt Greene with 14.  For Blackburn, Zeb Hammond had 18 and Todd Stevens with 12.

Greenville led at half by 6.  It was a 10 point game with 11 minutes to go.  The Beavers went on a 12-5 run through until the 2 minute mark, then Greenville hit some big shots from Bryson Taylor and Christopher Simmons!  GREENVILLE 61 - BLACKBURN 55.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 11, 2006, 06:10:34 pm
Conragts and thanks to the Greenville and Westminster for keeping the conference race interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 11, 2006, 06:11:44 pm
Oops! Typo. Congrats -- but you know what I meant.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grahamsmith on February 12, 2006, 06:53:08 am
ok so what if Eberhart was wrestling someone, and if Kowa punched someone in the face at Webster.  So what, i still love you guys and you will be real contenders not only this year but next year as well....the students at mac seem to be hostile at least these guys found a positive outlet, otherwise they could have hurt someone important
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 12, 2006, 07:35:34 am
This was one Mac really needed. Will have to win out and hope Westminster stumbles, which could happen. No margin for error. Weird game. Got down as much as 15 in the first half, but cut it to one with about three minutes left to play. Got a couple of huge baskets in the second half from freshmen Workmen and Schmidt that relly helped, but Spinner and Hoggatt were just too much. As evidenced by recent Mac wins, when they shoot well they can win. Looked to me like they shot about 33% on the night, which is fatal to the Highlanders. Huff had a real good game, as did Robertson. But Eberhart, Compton, and Hipshir really struggled and that made a huge difference. Give Webster credit. Rough, tough game, and Mac gave it their best shot. Rebounds and turnovers were about even, so it really came down to making shots and Mac flat didn't shoot very well. It's also becoming more and more apparent that giving players a lot of minutes who don't score or rebound has been a huge negative for Mac this season. Defense and effort is very, very important. But players have to be able to score and/or rebound as well - or be terrific ballhandlers and passers, and honestly, Mac plays some guys quite a bit who really don't contribute much in the scorebook. If a team has a couple of dominant players, it can get by with "role players." Unfortunately, that's not the case with Mac. Mac has had some tough, close losses this season, and a break here and a call there and this could have been a team above .500. Good luck down the stretch, Mac!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 12, 2006, 12:20:58 pm
Big Congrats to Panther Pride and the boys. A little Central IL. bragging rights. I haven't seen the box score or seen a post from Hopefan. Interested in knowing if bash played. I wouldn't want to draw WC first game of the tournament. They do have a legit chance to win it all.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 12, 2006, 02:24:12 pm
Bash did not play, and the rest didn't work too hard at it.   Bash will play vs BC

While Webster and Westminster seem to be on an upswing heading into the final week and a half, Maryville and BC are on downers  -  Hopefully two good coaches will get them back into gear

The injury bug is just killing MU
Turpin played against Westminster as did Rezabek - both very out of kilter  -  only minutes will get them back into the swing of things.  Hebl out of synch, losing confidence...   Benny, to the hole - fake that shot and go to the basket.
Regan played like he didn't want to be there either - weakest conference game of the season for him.  Westminster's big guy killed us- Davis had 36, inside,outside, all over  -  he shoulda had 50 the way MU played defense, but WC's liberal substitutions had him on the bench - McCarthy playing softly with a bad back, Klein hurt his shoulder again, the skinny freshmen played like skinny freshmen. 
Thank goodness for Elwell

And with all this said, MU still has its biggest game of the year with BC this Wednesday... a win makes a 3 way tie for the lead, and with BC playing Westminster the following week, a tie between Webster and MU at season's end is not out of the question.  If it ended in a 3 way, BC wins the tiebreakers. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 12, 2006, 09:49:16 pm
MacMurray 72  Knox 68

Nice win for the Highlanders, especially after the tough loss last night. Knox had beaten several teams that had defeated Mac, including Grinnell, Concordia, and Westminster. I'm pretty sure Knox had a winning record coming into this game, so that makes the victory a little sweeter. The win moves Mac to 8-14, which won't open many eyes. But considering we were 2-9 after losing to Blackburn on January 7, the team has certainly avoided a disasterous finish. With Greenville and Maryville coming to town next week, and then the regular season finale at Westminster, anything could happen. Mac needs to win all three to make the post-season, which will be a tall task. A 2-1 finish would represent a one-game improvement over last year, which I think will disappoint just about everyone.  I think a 1-2 or 0-3 finish would be a bitter pill to swallow. Downham, Kowa, Hipshir, Compton, Robertson, Eberhart, and Huff will all have to be at their best - and Brett Carroll has really helped provide quickness, ballhandling, and depth. Should be an interesting and exciting finish. Go Mac!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ex-BlueJay on February 12, 2006, 10:48:44 pm
"Let a girl get mauled and then call a ticky tack foul in a 40 pt game with 2 minutes to go.  Typical SLIAC refs, all of them are terrible."  This is a phrase worth being kicked out of a girls game for, as a fan.   Seriously now, any referee in any level of sports from elementary school to the NBA has heard much worse remarks than this during games.  Someone needs to let the SLIAC officials know that they are supposed to be paying attention to the game anyways, and not the fans.  Unless they feel threatened, they should be men enough to ignore what is said.  For someone to take it that personal, he must have felt the comment was true. 

With that said, the Westminster men looked very good in their game on saturday.  Granted, Bash was not available and he may have been able to slow down Davis, who was unconscious from inside and out.  This win could make things very interesting down the stretch.  Im finally glad to see that the blue jays are pulling things together at the right time of the year.  Looks like this year's tournament could be a fun one.  Lets all just hope that it doesnt end up out at the beaverdome.  Nothing against blackburn, but as a basketball fan, nobody wants to drive 3 hours and hope that you are one of the 100 people who actually gets a seat. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 13, 2006, 12:51:16 am
Ex-Bluejay:  What are you talking about?  Did I miss something? 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2006, 06:55:37 am
Ex Bluejay - I agree with Pantherpride - did something happen at end of MU - Westminster girl's game???  I saw some of lady's 1st half, but left for home early.

I'm very disappointed if again officials are becoming involved with fans and vice versa  -  If this is the case at the Westminster game, as well as the Webster game where something definitely happened, it's becoming way too regular.  It already had happened at Greenville and at Fontbonne.

Officials on the court have to quit listening to the fans, and School officials need to get involved more quickly  -  it should be school administrators who control the fans, not game officials. 

   That being said, at the beginning of each SLIAC game, I believe a statement regarding expectations of sportsmanship is read.  I f a fan can't live up to those expectations, then they shouldn't attend the game.

And ex Bluejay - I obviously agree with your comments regarding Blackburn's facility.  The men's playoffs will be great - 4 evenly matched teams - give everyone a break and have it where it can be watched by the fans.   Idea - if Blackburn facility can't provide seating, how about a high school local to Blackburn?  It's not like the tourney will draw huge, but at least a HS could provide adequate seating while giving BC a non travelling edge.  Or what about the community college up that way????
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ex-BlueJay on February 13, 2006, 08:29:25 am
This incident happened at the very end of the Westminster/Maryville women's game.  Now i may be wrong, but i definitely feel that this is not a comment worthy of being asked to leave a game, especially with 2 minutes to go. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2006, 10:22:09 am
I see what you mean Jay -  While I personally don't condone the second part of your verbalization "Typical SLIAC refs, all of them are terrible."  , it seems to me to be the kind of statement officials have to shut out of their minds - it does not merit ejection - assuming that was all that was said and was not accompanied by any kind of threatening gestures (ie, you weren't half way out on the court when you said it).  I think next time change that phrase to, "that was a TERRIBLE call", and you'd be on safer ground.

At least 4 ejections in about two weeks - that I've heard about - with the small fan base the SLIAC has, it's a trend that indicates a real problem.


Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 13, 2006, 11:08:08 am
hopefan:  You are correct with the sportsmanship statement.

"Greenville College and the members of the NCAA, NCCAA, and SLIAC are committed to the principles of good sportsmanship.  We ask your cooporation in treating all opposing players, fans, and officials with honor and respect. We thank you for your cooporation."

I have also noticed that it isn't in the men's game so much that fans are being thrown out.  It's the women's games.  That was our case a few years ago (and my incident this year.)  The women's officials are very weak when it comes to taking some heat from the crowd.  We had a few games in the past when we had a decent size crowd and our student section was cheering and probably riding the officials a little.  They complained to the higher ranking officials about feeling threatened because of the proximity of the fans to the floor. (i.e. Our banners and no sitting in the front row aroudn the SLIAC.)

I think as you have said hopefan, it is a on going problem that needs to be delt with.   If they cannot take the heat from a few fans, then how would they handle a big time crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ex-BlueJay on February 13, 2006, 01:47:12 pm
I agree that I probably shouldnt have said the last part of the statement.  I am not typically one to ride the officials during a game, in fact, that was the only remark that i made during this game.  I played basketball for 18 years and have never received a technical foul, or even come close to being ejected from a game.  I know ive heard much worse comments from both players and fans that have not resulted in someone being asked to leave the building. What made the situation even worse was the fact that the ref first began yelling at another fan who had said nothing and made a big scene with that person.  If i hadnt been man enough to stand up and take the blame, he may have had a fan removed who had said nothing.  I feel that he should have never reacted the way he did when he had no idea which individual had said it, just the general direction it came from.  Now i am not at all saying that i condone this behavior because i dont, i was very embarassed from the situation, as well as furious that it had happened from such a small remark.  I just feel that those in charge of the conference need to step in and let these officials know that they are their to officiate the games, not to start confrontations with the fans.  The SLIAC fan base already isnt very strong, if these types of situations continue, it could cause some fans to quit coming altogether. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2006, 03:36:07 pm
Jay -it's a shame that these kinds of situations have come up -  my advice, put it behind you and learn from it, BUT, I still say, it would not hurt to let Westminster admin know exactly what happened- that way you're not on the school's black list, and if it comes up at some kind of conference meeting, your administrator has "the other side of the story".   I do wonder if these events are discussed with league or school admin - they should be - so that necessary steps are take to correct the situation in whatever direction.

hang in there.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 13, 2006, 06:57:41 pm
We are all very quick to criticize "the SLIAC officials". I have attended a number of games at Wash U and almost always see at least one, sometimes two, and even on occasion three officials who officiate SLIAC games. Without commenting on the quality of officiating in the SLIAC, I just want to point out that these officials are not under contract exclusively to our conference.

Also, earlier this season there was a "Daily Dose" rant on D3hoops about bad officiating. From what I could tell by the comments posted in response to that item, no one is happy with the officiating in their conference. Misery loves company, and believe me we have plenty of company.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 14, 2006, 12:56:00 pm
Every game is huge now; let's concentrate on wins and losses

Blackburn at Maryville  -  What a big game, despite the fact that both lost on Saturday.  If Maryville wins, we're in a 3 way tie for first; If Blackburn wins, they keep their lead and virtually clinch the host's position for the conference championship.  Not sure what has happened to Blackburn in 2 recent losses???  Maryville is just full of question marks - things have to come together quickly for the saints to compete - 5 critical injury questions - Bash will be back, but will he be able to play HARD?, Klein's shoulder went again on Saturday - he looked in a world of hurt, but he has been able to recover quickly in the past - McCarthy's back is bothering him-can he tough it out?, and Turpin and Rezabeck would help so much, but both are still searching for their game.  IF, IF, IF

Webster at Prin - Webster just gets to take care of business the next three games and watch everyone else beat each other up.

Westminster at Fontbonne  -  Westminster has worked too hard to get close to the leaders to be upset by the Griffs  -  but watch out   -  the matchups are pretty even.

Greenville at Mac  -  BIG game for Mac, as they could very easily still be playing for 4th next Tuesday vs Westmin - but they MUST beat Greenville, who's feelin pretty good after knocking off BC
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 14, 2006, 01:05:20 pm
On a lighter note, did anyone else hear the SLIAC get some publicity from Kevin Slaten yesterday on KFNS???
Seems KFNS was having a Valentine's Day contest - contestants would write in as to how they were really falling for someone and needed  Kevin's and Rammer's help in setting up a date.
Well, the winner was a dance team member from Webster!!  (Can't remember her name)  She sounded GREAT - very sweet kid (remember, I'm an old man)  .  Anyway, her dream date is  -  drum roll please... - Darin (no last name revealed) from the Webster men's team.  Rammer and Kev called and left him a message imploring him to meet the young lady, talked briefly about Darin's basketball stats, and about the fact that Webster - Fontbonne was coming up on Saturday.

Darin  (whosr ID most SLIAC fans know)  -  GO for it - she sounded GREAT!!!! (AND she thinks you're "cute")
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 14, 2006, 01:34:23 pm
Daryl - Help hook a girl Up !!!
FU has three games left all against top four teams. Let's see if the Griffins can still be a factor. The game at BC on the final night might be huge in hopes of getting the tourney site in STL.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 15, 2006, 12:34:37 am
Alright fellas, Game #12 in SLIAC Play... what's going to happen?

Westminster d. Fontbonne:  Mathmatically, GC's not out of the mix.  However, WC is rolling and it will be nothing different as the Blue Jays handle Fontbonne, eliminating my Panthers (SORRY GREENVILLE PEOPLE)

Maryville d. Blackburn:  Just because I don't want to go to Carlinville for the Tourney.  Blackburn coming off a tough loss to my Panthers (YAY).  Maryville coming off a sore thrashing at the hands of Westminster.  I've got Maryville in the upset.

Greenvillle d. MacMurray:  I can't pull against Greenville.  We played very well v. Blackburn on Saturday and I think that we will continue this play as we play towards the end of the season and towards next season.  Greenville in a high scoring game

(Webster d. Prin... not much of a game....)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 15, 2006, 06:11:25 am
Westminster over Fontbonne - Jays finishing strong
Blackburn over Maryville - Beavers bounce back
Webster over Principia - Webster in a walk
MacMurray over Greenville - Hot Hoops for Highlanders at Home
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WebsterWatcher on February 15, 2006, 07:52:31 pm
I know that we complain about the refs, and there have been some issues of consistancy, but i was at the webster game vs. mac, and there was a scuffle with the players. 2 mac players got kicked out (one came off the bench, the other one was involved) and one webster player got booted, and a fan got kicked out from the venue as well. Now as much as i think the refs can be sensitive, the lady that got kicked came from her seat in the top row right behind the scorers table, and was yelling at the refs, calling them obsene things, and yelling about the player from webster making comments about him aswell. I do beleive the referees were right in kicking her out.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 15, 2006, 10:44:16 pm
WC 70 FU 69
After trailing by 24 pts. at half, the Griffins got to one with 14 seconds and the ball. Got the last shot but it wouldn't fall.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 15, 2006, 11:44:08 pm
WebsterWatcher. You describe the events at the Webster MacMurray game exactly as I saw them, and I agree that kicking out the lady was justified. I do wonder if the refs have the authority to do that, or if the hosting institution is the one that ultimately takes that action. From what I saw the refs went to the scorers table and said something, but I don't think they spoke directly to the woman. I'd be intersted in hearing from someone who knows how such situations are handled.

Oh yes -- Maryville over Blackburn in a wire to wire 77-55 win. Maryville's seniors played like seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 16, 2006, 01:12:33 am
At each game the home team is responsible for having an administrator on Game Management. In almost every instance that I have seen ,in 30 yrs. of watching college basketball, the head of the officials crew will go to the table to ask to have a fan removed. Game Management will conduct the rest.

Quite tonite with game reports.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 16, 2006, 01:16:44 am
MacMurray d. Greenville 81-77.

It was close for the first five mintues.  Mac pulled away after that point, taking the lead to near 15 at half and 20 at a couple times in the 2nd.  Greenville clawed their way back in normal Panther fashion, but couldnt get close enough.  

UNOFFICIAL STATS FROM MY BOOK

Off the Bench, Jerel Robertson (33) lead for MC with 19.  Ryan Eberhart (41) was on his tail with 18 (10-16 FT).

For Greenville,   Both Bryson Taylor (11) and Christopher Simmons (32) had 17.

Lot's of free throws and fouls in this game.  Greenville Called for 29 (21 in the second half).  Lot of that was fouling at the end of the game.  63 FT's taked between the two teams.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 16, 2006, 01:17:40 am
At each game the home team is responsible for having an administrator on Game Management. In almost every instance that I have seen ,in 30 yrs. of watching college basketball, the head of the officials crew will go to the table to ask to have a fan removed. Game Management will conduct the rest.

Quite tonite with game reports.

When i was warned at Maryville, the official came and pointed me out.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 16, 2006, 01:31:29 am
There is a difference in being told to have a seat and being ejected.

GC game shoots 62 fts and FU game both teams combine for 15 fts and only 20 fouls called.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cam on February 16, 2006, 10:25:18 am
MU 77 - BC 55

Dominant performance from start to finish by Maryville. Jumped out to an early lead (17-5) and kept that distance the rest of the way. BC rallied, after being down 21 early in the 2nd half, to cut it to 11. But that was as close as they could get the rest of the way.

Hebl, Regan, Bash, Elwell, Smiddy, Klein (all seniors) played a very solid game collectively. Klein hurt his shoulder again in the first half, but came back and played well in the second half. Bash was clearly still a little hobbled, but was very tough to stop down low. He plays so well when he is double-teamed and kicked more than a few passes out to Hebl for 3's. Smiddy had a big three pointer at a key point when Blackburn was trying to claw back in it. Elwell just runs the team so well and was very much in control. And, Hebl and Regan are just so good. They absolutely took the game over early in the first half and made it a walk the rest of the way.

It was a great way to end it for those seniors. Nice lead allowed Coach Rogers to take them out with a few minutes left to get the thanks they deserved from the crowd. (Great crowd, by the way.)

Blackburn had a small contingent of enthusiastic guys in the stands. But their chants were continuosly drowned out by the strong MU students under the basket. One perplexing chant from the BC fans when the game was nearly over.........."Still in First Place, Still in First Place". I'm not 100% sure on the tiebreakers, but on the SLIAC standings website, Maryville is now on top.

Finally, congrats to MU Asst. Coach Gene Myers. After 15 years as MU assistant, he is hanging up the sweater vest at the end of this year. He has been the one constant through many ups and downs with the MU program.

Let's hope MU can stay focused and close out the season with wins at MacMurray and Prin. It would be much more fun watching the tournament in a college gym at MU as opposed to the grade school gym in Carlinville.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 16, 2006, 10:58:54 am
Cam - good writeup on the game  -  saved me from having to do it.  Key to game along with Senior play were contributions off the bench from McCarthy, Andrews, and Turpin 

BC chant was correct - with the current 3 way tie, Blackburn has the tiebreaker by virtue of winning both games vs Webster, while Maryville split with Webster.

Saturday's Blackburn - Westminster game is now crucial - if MU takes care of business at Mac, and Westminster beats Blackburn, MU and Webster would be tied for 1st, BC and Westmin tied for third, and while I'm not sure who would get the tiebreak there, at least no one would have to play in Carlinville at the dome.

If we finish in a 3 way tie, Blackburn is No 1, and despite my one man write in campaign to the SLIAC Commisioner expressing disdain to the league commish over having a conference tourney at a substandard facility like Blackburn's, I'm afraid we'll have to go to Carlinville.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 16, 2006, 02:13:09 pm
FCnews  -  I saw Westminster when they looked unbeatable vs Maryville, you saw them when they were nearly beaten by Fontbonne.
Can Westminster who beat MU with bulk, compete with Blackburn's quickness on the small Blackburn court?  Can they defend Blackburn's ball movement?  What's your opinion???
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cam on February 16, 2006, 02:16:54 pm
hopefan:
Thanks.

Re: Tiebreakers....
I guess that just goes to show you that painting your face, carrying silly signs, and shouting strange things in unison DOES NOT make you unintelligent.

Kudos Beaver Backers for knowing the tiebreakers. Very impressive.

I have to say I'm rooting very hard for the squad from Fulton this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 16, 2006, 02:56:02 pm
Hopefan - I saw to sides of WC last nite. Granted FU made some halftime adjustments. In the first half WC was 58% from the field and 7-11 from behind the arc. The 2nd half they shot 30% and 1-7 from 3's. Their bulk was Davis who had 14 pts., 10 in the first half, but he is under sized for most opponents. WC's perimenter players can play with BC at both ends. This will be a very good match up. But, I will definately take WC in this one. WC is much deeper then BC and just as quick. MU has to have the edge amongst these four because of maturity. This is basically the same MU squad that has been together for three years. You'd think this would be their year. Having said that I still question MU's squad that tends to disappear in some games.

BC will lose one of their last two games and barring a nightmare the tourney will go to MU.

It's just my opinion but I don't beleive any of these four have a chance to make much noise in the tournament. I have been wrong before, but this is not the year for a SLIAC run.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 16, 2006, 03:15:37 pm
FC  -   my main interest in my question to you is Saturday's Westminster at Blackburn game -  hoping that the result moves the conference tourney out of Carlinville.   I'm going to forgo the trip to Jacksonville where Maryville plays, instead goin up to Carlinville to watch that showdown between BC and Westmin.   I'll be a "neutral" observer   (anyone have an xtra Westminster College sweatshirt???     :D :D :D)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 16, 2006, 04:19:42 pm
Hope fan - I'll take Westminister on the road in that game. BC's two man show will have their hands full. Davis should have a heyday for WC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 17, 2006, 12:38:42 pm
Westminister will not have an easy game by any means. BC coming off the last few losses has some fire brewing in them now and WILL be prepared come game time.
Two more victories and the SLIAC Tourny is comin to the Beaver Dome.
Go Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 17, 2006, 12:42:05 pm
As much as I agree that the facility is very sub-par, I do like the fact that the crazies of Blackburn are right there in the faces of the enemies where everyone can hear them.
I think this gives great meaning to home court advantage.
I think that's why it is difficult to win there.
Not cuz of the lighting or other poor excuses but because they hve the fans right there with nothing but support.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 17, 2006, 01:07:22 pm
Dynasty and other Blackburn "Crazies"  -  While no one but Blackburn fans want the tourney at the Dome, that isn't to say that fans of the opposition, like myself, don't thoroughly enjoy your antics.  I thought the callestetics prior to the Maryville game were hilarious - sorry to see them cut short by the Maryville awards presentation  (However, the thing I like most about you guys is the good clean fun, no trouble atmosphere  -  when you guys were asked to go back to your seats for the Maryville ceremony, you did with no questions asked   -  CLASSY)   you guys keep it up - it's great atmosphere for everyone -  look for the old guy with the Hope hat on tomorrow and say hi  -  REMEMBER, I'm going as a TOTALLY neutral fan tomorrow ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 17, 2006, 01:25:07 pm
Totally Nuetral? Come on Hopefan. Your cheering for the same result all STL SLIAC fans are. But, give the Beavers their props, it will definatley sell out at BC and home court will be huge. Any word on how their doing to try and add seating for the games? Chairs, portable bleachers, SRO......
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 17, 2006, 01:56:15 pm
FC  -  I think the only way to add more spctator viewing will be to put it on Closed circuit TV over in the dining hall next door   -    but Wait, there's no room in the Dome for any cameras!!!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 17, 2006, 02:31:57 pm
I'm just curious if it was pre discussed, before the tournament was brought back, what is suitable facilities to host. Like a NCAA first round game your seating has to be 1200. Not 120.

They could always simulcast it back to STL. They got room for one more camera up on the dog house.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 17, 2006, 03:05:59 pm
FC  funny you should mention that you wondered about discussion of "suitable facilities"

In the last 4 days, I have had discussions in person and via email with ADs and coaches from the 3 other participating men's teams in this years tourney (besides Blackburn) - driving at exactly that point  - something in the conference manual should say, " the conference champion has earned the right  to host the conference tourney, providing their facility meets a set of minimal standards."
Those standards should deal with safety, seating availability, lighting, locker facilities, press facilities, quality of the court (ie regulation specs, adequate space around the perimeter, lighting etc.)

2  facts came out of these discussions
     1)   There is no set of standards established currently, therefore substandard facilities can be used to host various championship events

      2)  The coaches and AD's that responded to me unanimously supported Blackburn's right to host, with no questions asked.  One AD did admit however that it was an issue that should be addressed.

In serious answer to your question about seating, the Commissioner told me that one possibility (probability), is that the gym would be cleared between games  -  I am very negative about that.  If I'm going to Carlinville on Semifinal night, I want to see two games, not 1 or 3/4 of one and then leave to get a spot in line for the second game.

ugh, i feel my blood pressure going up again....

This neutral fan will be "quietly" pulling for Westminster tomorrow....

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 17, 2006, 03:37:18 pm
Not too sure how the Crazies will be tomorrow. I know some of the leaders will be in Champagin for the State Wrestling Finals.
But we will have to manage without. I am going home tonight but will be back early tomorrow for the game.
Hope-Thanks for the props, it is greatly appreciated. We really didn't mean to offend anyone before the Senior presentations, we had no idea, but like you said, we immediately went back to our seats.
If I see you tomorrow Hope I'll be sure to come introduce myself!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2006, 04:55:46 pm
I'm just curious if it was pre discussed, before the tournament was brought back, what is suitable facilities to host. Like a NCAA first round game your seating has to be 1200. Not 120.

We have seen first-round games in the NCAA Tournament in buildings seating as few as 500 -- if the court is 94 feet, of course.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on February 17, 2006, 05:11:09 pm
i enjoy reading everyone's comments (negative) about having the conference tournament at blackburn. it doesn't matter how much you complain the sliac tourney will be at the beaver dome. bc will take care of business the rest of the way out. i was a bit shocked when i heard about the maryville thumpin. well, learn from it and move on boys. that loss should just about eat a hole through your stomach. i mean you are the number one team in the conference playing maryville and you don't show up....come on. never the less, i will be grinnin from ear to ear when i see everyone tryin to file into the beaver dome knowin that it just chaps everyone to be in there. and don't count anyone out of making a post season run. that's why we play the game, ya just never know. i believe that you are goin to see the beavers MAN UP the rest of the way out.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 18, 2006, 09:13:38 am
Time to make the picks for today. Crucial games for MacMurray and Westminster, with the #4 spot still up for grabs. I think Mac and Westy will be playing Tuesday night with the play-offs up for grabs. Here we go:

Fontbonne at Webster - Webster finishes strong and gets it done.
Principia at Greenville - Greenvile gets back on the winning track.
Westminster at Blackburn - Beavers bounce back with big win at home.
Maryville at MacMurray - With its back to the wall, Highlanders get their biggest win of the season.

Good luck to all. Hope all games are injury-free, fan and player ejection-free, and everyone has a safe trip to and from the games. Go Mac!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 20eagle31 on February 18, 2006, 06:45:01 pm
congrats to blackburn on another win. looked very solid defensively early in the 1st half. got stuck on 18 for awhile and wc ended up taking a 5 point lead at half. waters was very clutch in this game. did a good job of handlin the ball and hitting big shots. bmoc again.second half was dominated by bc's D. and by the way i like the way outsideinfluence thinks. one more game and then ya'll are comin to the beaver dome.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 18, 2006, 07:37:47 pm
No one's looking to condemn Blackburn , influence, just saying it would be a better experience for everyone to have the conference tourney at a reasonably sized facility that can seat all those fans who'd like to see it - without the fans crowding the court.   But I'll tell you what, if the fan base is not important as you say, then YOU don't show up  -  I get first dibs on  'Influence's' Seat :D :D

Seriously, Blackburn looked great in the second half  -  Allen and Lucas reappeared, and Waters played well the whole game.  Unless Fontbonne scores 2 upsets in a row, it'll be Webster and MU in game 1, and BC vs WC in game 2
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2006, 08:56:07 pm
Oh and you can't possibly tell me you ACTUALLY think the BC court is too small, there are standards and regulations people. 

I have never seen it. I'm just pointing out what the NCAA requires. Believe it or not, there are courts that are played on that are shorter than 94 feet. They're allowed to, just not in NCAA Tournament play.

As recently as last season, Hope played its home games on a less-than-94 foot floor. Grinnell was in the same boat. Emmanuel couldn't host games at its home floor on its run to the Final Four a few years back for the same reason.

So no, I don't ACTUALLY think Blackburn's court is less than 94 feet. However, it wouldn't be the first one.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 18, 2006, 09:43:10 pm
Incidently, while I was at Blackburn today, i did a quick analysis of the seating.  There are, as yjackloc said previously. 6 rows of bleachers  -- the bleachers actually have 7 rows, but they aren't pulled out all the way bcause the first row would then be on the court.  Consequently, usage of the fifth row is avoided, as there is a large drop off for those sitting in it.  Anyway, there are 4 sections of bleachers, and 10 adults fit reasonably into a row in a section.  So 6x10 =60 per section.  sqeeze 1 more per row and you have 66 per section or 264 in the main bleachers.  There is a section of bleachers at each end, that can't be pulled out, but people can climb to the top or sit at the bottom, so that's 20 more in each section..  Standing at the ends, if allowed, and in the corners, could put in another ahhhh, 50.  (Thanks, I hope I wouldn't be one of those 50).   So you can "easily" accomodate 354 fans.  Oh, by the way, the scoreboard went off, as did the shotclock, but hey, it was fixed in a manner of minutes.  Oh, and while I praised the "crazies' for their fun antics in a prior post, evidently one of the refs didn't find them too funny today as some one down in the corner was threatened with ejection.  They were also admonished to move back away from the court at least once.

But hey, fans don't matter - nothing substandard here  -  and it's presenting the student athletes, and their families, and the four schools personnel and the fans with the best possible experience by having the Tournament at the dome over any other place in Carlinville or nearby -----    yeah, right.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE SLIAC, NOT IF YOU WANt TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO YOUR MARQUIS EVENT OF THE YEAR.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 18, 2006, 09:56:55 pm
Maryville 76   MacMurray 70

Tale of two halves. Mac fell behind by as many as 18 in the first half under a torrent of three point shots by Maryville. I don't think I've ever seen a team shoot so well. They spread the floor, would go inside, then kick it back out, and rotate the ball to the open shooter - and BAM. Looked like a total rout. But Mac made some terrific halftime adjustments on defense, Maryville cooled off, and it was a two point game with less than a minute to play. Maryville hit four free throws in the last ten seconds to put it away. Mac played without Jerrell Robertson, their super freshmen. He would have made a difference inside, but that's not where the game was won or lost. Cunningham played the game of his life for Mac, and Eberhart was also terrific. Kowa played his heart out, and the second half defense was much tougher. But the deficit was just too great to overcome. I thought the officating was brutal, primarily on the "no calls." Both teams had five or six no-calls go against them. Lots of pushing, shoving, and hacking. And at one crucial time in the game, one of the referees gave Maryville a time-out when no one had called for one. One of the strangest calls I've ever seen.

Maryville has a nice team, but in my opinion, there's not that much difference between Mac and the top of the conference - except Mac lost several close games that kept them out of the post season. Mac has lost a total of nine games by six points or less. Need to turn those numbers around next year.

Coach DeNeve deserves a lot of credit for keeping the ship afloat this season after so much turmoil. His top two scorers and a tough post player didn't return. His best three-point shooter and three of his top freshmen didn't make it past the first semester. His back-up point guard quit with a month left in the season. He flushed the "system" about a third of the way into the season and went to a more traditional offense and player rotation. And when the smoke cleared, they had a shot at the post-season in the last week of play. Pretty good job.

One game left at Westminster - then the focus is immediately on next year. Both point guards graduate and they must be replaced. That has to be priority number one. With Eberhart graduating, a rugged post player ( or two) must be recruited. And if Deneve can get Long, Birch, Sanders, and Greene back - to go with Hipshir, Compton, Huff, Robertson, and Kowa - Mac could be tough. It will all depend on who DeNeve can bring in, and play right away at two critical positions - the point and the post. Should be interesting.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 18, 2006, 11:53:40 pm
Greenville, Illinois - Senior Day

Greenville 93 - Principia 48.

It was all Greenville from the get go.  Greenville jumped to an early 14-3 run and lead by 32 at one point in the first half.  Greenville led 53-21 at half.  Greenville shot 20-33 from the field while Prin shot 4-17.

Greenville continued to pour it on in the second half.  Bryson Taylor (Lone Senior) picked up his second career double-double (Second in three games)  with 12 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assist, and 5 steals in his final game in HJ.

Leading the way, however was AJ Turner, off the bench, with 17.  Chris Watts was the high man for Prin with 29.  Other than Swiderski with 8, no one else has more than 2.

Great final game in HJ for Bryson Taylor and the Lady Panther's Seniors (Jessica Thompson, Erin Leigh, and Stacey Murfin).  They also picked up a win.  I also have to say a bit about it.  It was my final game at HJ as well as I will Graduate in May.  :)  Great Times in Greenville.  Ending the season on positive notes! :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 19, 2006, 10:50:13 am
FCnews, where are you   -  still celebrating I'll bet.   Would be interested in hearing the specifics as to how regulation and OT ended in the big upset over Webster.  Were there heros or goats?

Funny thing is with all my disdain for Blackburn's gym, it might now be necessary for me to go there AGAIN on Tuesday, to see if Font can rescue the SLIAC from a weekend in Carlinville.  FC, wanna go?   I'll drive!!  Don't think I need to see MU at Prin, Webster at GC, or Mac at Westmin.  I'm torn as to how I think the FC - BC game will go.  On one hand, Maryville crushed BC on the boards, and Font  is capable of doing the same.  On the other hand, Fontbonne didn't use their size vs Maryville until they were too far behind to catch up - have they learned their lesson?  Other question, can Font keep up with BC's quickness, their ability to penetrate one on one and dish for open perimeter shots by good shooters like Hammond.

Yjack, any chance you'd be interested in a Tuesday trip to Carlinville  -  Ahhh FC, Yjack,  and Hopefan on a roadtrip  --  the stories we would tell!!!!  Heck, Darryl, if you're around, you're invited too

I now really do wonder how tickets and seating will be handled for the tourney, given they won't know for a fact that it will be in Carlinville until Tuesday results are in.  I wonder if
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 19, 2006, 12:20:17 pm
No heros or goats in the Webster-FU game yesterday. Just a good, competitive game which, believe it or not, was well officiated. I don't even consider it a big upset. Although Fontbonne is perhaps the youngest team in the conference, people don't seem to realize that Webster is pretty young, too. After tinkering with a starting lineup much of the season Coach Bunch now starts one senior, one junior, and three sophomores. Only one of those sophomores had significant playing time last year. Fontbonn'e young players have imrpoved siginificantly this year, as have Webster's. Webster has only one senior, so the subs are one junior, then sophomores and freshmen. Look for Fontbonne and Webster to have strong teams the next two to three years.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 19, 2006, 04:58:36 pm
Young Teams:  I think we might have the youngest team.

Taylor - 2nd Year/Senior
Hensold - 2nd Year/Soph - 1st season with alot of playing time
Reams - 1st Year/Soph - 1st season since 2004
Greene - 1st Year/Frosh
Williams - 1st Year/Soph - Played little JUCO

Key Bench Players

Turner - 2nd Year/Soph
Simmons - 2nd Year/Soph - Played little NAIA
Mutton - 1st Year/Soph - 1st season since 2004

Seniors - 1
Juniors - 2
Soph - 7
Frosh - 2
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 19, 2006, 06:17:20 pm
Looks like G'ville & Webster are similar. On the roster for conference play this year Webster has 1 senior, 2 juniors, 6 sophomores, 5 freshmen. There are a few more freshmen and sophomores listed on the roster that did not suit up during the conference season for a variety of reasons. But I think Fontbonne is even younger. Maryville graduates 6 seniors this year, so they will be young next year.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 19, 2006, 07:12:40 pm
The Crazies were nothing Saturday as the main student body weren't getting into the game..it's sad but I have a feeling they will step it up soon.
Hopefan - If you want, I can hook you up with seats for the game Tuesday, just let me know and we can meet and I can put ya somewhere good.
As for the WC game, BC started big by goin on a 12-4 run I believe.
They were sluggish for the rest of the half but stepped it up big in the 2nd half and pulled away.
Tuesday I believe the Beavers will come out with a lot of thunder for what they have on the line.
If and when the SLIAC comes to the Beaver Dome, come early to get a seat,  cuz it is a sub-par facility.
You might also consider bring some flashlights as the lighting is not too great, I mean that is the reason why the away teams lose right?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 19, 2006, 09:30:40 pm
Sorry Pride but FC wins the youngest squad award. Of the 9 players who played in yesterdays win 6 are true freshmen, 2 sophmores (1 of which is first year playing) and 1 junior who is seeing minimal time for the first season. Three frosh turned 18 just before school started and Kirkpatrick turned 18 two weeks after school started. This is a very young squad.

Ok Hope yesterdays game : The game slogan was the Future is Now!

Fontbonne always plays well at Webster and yeaterday was no exception. FC missed some crips early but cut a WU lead of 8 to just 3 at the break. FU came out quick and took the lead for the first time in the 2nd half at about the 15:00 mark. It was a see saw affair to the end of regulation with out any last second drama. FU had a one point lead with 34 seconds left and for some reason WU let the Griffins run the clock to :06 before fouling McCoy. McCoy converted one of two and Spinner went the length of the floor and missed an off balance runner to end a Great game.

Keys to the game were: Almany holding Spinner to a tough 14 pts., his two 3's were when Andrew was on the bench. The biggest difference was the defensive job Storandt did on Kuhn. He killed us the first time but was held to 1-7 from the field and 0-4 from the arc. Great defensive job by Storandt who added 18 points, 12 in the 2nd half. WU's interior players went 9- 27 against a much larger FU team. FU was led in scoring by the three freshmen McCoy 20, Storandt 18 and Kirkpatrick 14 and 9 boards. Freshmen Brian Fogerty, who has been contributing double digit scoring recently, did not play against WC because of a high fever. did get in about 15 mins. and should be at full strength for BC.

The latest run of GC win, Prin win, WC huge comeback loss and this OT win tell me these kids may be learning how to win. And the SLIAC is getting a pic at future things to come.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 19, 2006, 09:40:26 pm
dynasty22. You can be as sarcastic as you want, but the lighting in the Beaver Dome is terrible. Compare it to any other gym in the conference -- I've been to all of them except MacMurray. If I'm not mistaken, Greenville upgraded its lighting sometime in the past 3-4 years. You have a good basketball team and you win games because your players can play and your coach can coach. But I stick by my statement that familiarity with an environment is part of what helps create home court advantage. In the case of the Beaver Dome I believe familiarity with the poor lighting is part of that advantage.

My freshman year in college our basketball team played its home games in a gym with no seats built in -- none, zero, nada. They put up one row of folding chairs along the wall on one sideline only. Everybody else had to sit on a wooden running track about 15-20 feet above the gym floor. A new gym opened my sophomore year, and this past summer was renovated for the first time over 40 years after it was built.

I don't dislike Blackburn. My wife grew up in Carlinville and her father taught at Blackburn for 21 years before retiring in 1977. I understand the financial limitations that a school like Blackburn faces, and its resources should go to educational purposes first. I also don't want us posters to become antagonistic to one another. We should want the best for all the schools in our conference. I'm sure you have fond feelings for the Beaver Dome. I would too, if I were a student there. But the reality of that facility is apparent to all who enter it.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 20, 2006, 12:00:26 am
fcnews:  I forgot about the Young Guns of Fontbonne University.  The SLIAC needs to watch out for this team in the next few years.

We upgraded our lights just last season.  We have been tinkering with it over the last few years.  In HJ Long, if you just have the lights on, it's not all that bright.  But, with our heat lamps, the gym glows a little more. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: flipmastaj on February 20, 2006, 12:34:05 am
come one come all.... but come early, bc its gonna be a packed house... like it or not SLIAC fans, the tourney is comin to the Beaverdome, where only the strong survive.  BC is nearly unstoppable in the dome, barring the rough game this season with all respect to macmurray who played well. The beavers have the talent and the coaching to get it done, but they also have the one thing few other teams in this conference can match up to, and that is the most loyal and enthusiastic cheering section the SLIAC has to offer. 

While taking nothing away from the fans of other schools, i have attended games at home all season and not once has a school brought a cheering section like the BC faithful took to the maryville game.  Although the outcome was not as wanted, the beaver-nation simply out-classed the fans of maryville who thought it necessary to attempt to intimidate our female fans and make racial slurs towards some of the male BC fans...

Nevertheless, expect a show this weekend, i can vouch first-hand that the BC faithful will be in full effect and the only thing anyone can do is complain about the facility.  Last time i checked... floor is still 94 feet, rims are still 10' high... BALL IN!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 20, 2006, 12:23:00 pm
I didn't want to bring up anything about the Maryville students now but it's too hard to resist.
Maryville Students = Totally Classless.
After you won the game, cheer us off the court, thats fine and fun, we would do the same thing, but then to single out a select few of the BC crazies with racial gestures and taunting women.
Grow Up, we're in college right?

As for the SLIAC tourny, if BC beats Fontbonne, see you at the Dome.
We will have a huge homecourt advantage, not because of the lighting, but because no other student section can touch us.
Have a nice day!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 20, 2006, 02:10:41 pm
Flipmaster - Are you trying to say that the BC Crazies are already planning for the tournament before the Final game is played?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 20, 2006, 02:13:54 pm
ok FC - should I go to Carlinville tomorrow night  -  Do the Griffs have the motivation to give em a game and break the Crazies' heart, or was the great victory over Webster the end of their season?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: flipmastaj on February 20, 2006, 02:31:19 pm
Not only am i saying it, im telling you to write it down and take a picture... they have nothin on us, and thats not being cocky, thats being confident.  Im sorry FC, but bottom line, you dont have it this year, especially at our place, in this sort of situation... best of luck to ya tho, and if u can get a good group there, you should but i cant say you could ever measure up to the beaver-nation
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 20, 2006, 02:55:32 pm
Hope - I'm not putting out any poster board material. That said these kids feel like the fun has just started. We have nothing to lose. They have all the pressure. From what I've seen this year, at BC you have to like their chances in a post season tourney. If hosted at MU maybe three different teams have an oppurtunity. FU will show up. They are coached by someone who hates to lose and has won at BC before. This is probably FU's post season game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 20, 2006, 03:04:02 pm
Very tempting to go FC - Will I see you there?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 20, 2006, 03:10:29 pm
I agree that if the tourny were to go to MU, it is up in the air for anybody, but if the SLIAC does come to the Beaver Dome, BC has to be the favorites.
Vegas has the odds 10:1.
Hopefan - I think you should come to the game. Might be a good one who knows?
But I'm sure that the Beavers will come out on top and this is just preperation for the tourny.
Shoot, bring as many fans as you can, their gonna need all the help they can get.
We are the Jo. Co's Crazies and we can't be stopped.
GO BEAVERS!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: flipmastaj on February 20, 2006, 03:12:55 pm
for the record... check the results of the tourney last year.  We are a pressure situation team with a coach that knows how to win in the SLIAC.. best of luck to you... hope, FC if u are there for the game, remember the name flipmastaj.... u should know who i am by the response of the crazies during one of the timeouts... c ya then fellas!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 20, 2006, 03:26:23 pm
well look Flip  -   last Saturday I came to the Westmin game, walked right by the crazies with my Hope sweatshirt and Hopehat, and no one said  Hi!!   If I come on Tuesday, you and dynasty and the rest gotta promise to say hi so we can yuck it up a little....  And I don't want you guys gettin in any more trouble with the refs!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 20, 2006, 03:40:57 pm
Hopefan - Haha sorry I didn't mean to ignore ya, please don't be mad! :)
But for real, be sure to make an appereance and we can defintely chat it up a little bit.
Just let us know what you will be wearin.
Can't wait for the FU game tomorrow.

I'd rather be a Beaver then a Griffin(clap clap)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 20, 2006, 03:51:25 pm
ok dynasty, if I come, I'll wear my Hope sweatshirt and hat  -  and will come over and hollar where are dynasty and flipmasta!!!!???   But don't blame me for pullin for Fontbonne  (there is a first time for everything).

THEN I expect a little support for Maryville from the craz's in the first game on Thursday....  Curious - who would the craz's rather have their boys play on Saturday, Webster or MU?????   From what I've seen written, it would seem like you guys might enjoy a shot at some revenge... 

Seriously, the important thing is to have fun with it  --  which is all I've seen from you guys --  don't let it get nasty...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 20, 2006, 04:51:10 pm
ok   the fun is over  let's get down to serious prognastication!!!!!

Tomorrow nite!!

Maryville at Prin  -   I can't find anything serious about this game - MU needs to play hard, get alot of minutes for the bench that could come in handy for the weekend,  and MOST important, NO ONE get hurt.

Font at Blackburn  -  Fontbonne's win on Saturday lets Blackburn know that they can't just show up  -  too bad  -  Blackburn , really,  it was a fluke  -  Fontbonne can't play  - no size, no shooters, no quickness, no freshmen  .. Blackburn starters don't even need to show up - just join the crazies...   AND if you believe that, I have a deed for acouple of bridges over the Mississippi that I'd like to sell you, and oh yeah, give me a quick mill, and I'll give you that winning powerball ticket I bought up in Nebraska....     
Fontbonne has the size and the quickness to give Blackburn a tough game  -  but can they carry their great finish one more game???  AS FC said, this is the Griff's championship game.

Greenville at Webster  -  I'd love to see Greenville win one for pantherpride - he's a heckofa good guy, and I'll sorely miss his fun style at Greenville games in the future.  Except to correct whatever problems occurred vs Font, this game is meaningless for Webster - they finish 3rd whether they win or lose, and will play MU at Blackburn unless Fontbonne scores the big upset, in which case theyll finish 3rd and play Blackburn at MU.
Wonder if Hoggit ever got some guts and called up that young lady that Kevin Slaten set him up with....  I don't know, I hear he's awful shy with the girls.   :D

Mac at Westmin  -  Another meaningless game as far as the standings go-  I'm sure Westmin would love to get back on line after their horrendous 2nd half at Blackburn.  I'm thinking this game won't be too close.



Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 20, 2006, 05:23:34 pm
ok sliac commish and sliac personnel   --  here's three more questions/suggestions   -  on top of my feelings regarding facility requirements of the host school.

1)  With a four team conference tourney, why not consider allowing the 2nd place team to host the 2-3 game, to give them a reward too?  What sense does it make for 2-3 to go to 1 to play their game.  Benefits - one less team has to travel, no seating problems with 4 teams at one court, more regular season games have the potential to be extremely meaningful.

2)  Why not have the highest remaining seed left host the championship game  -  currently,no sense at all, if, for instance, Westminster upsets Blackburn, that they have to make the long trip to Fulton only to turn around and come all the way back to Carlinville to play MU/Webster.  I realize that Friday's come into play with rotation with the women -  move the first round to Wednesday Thursday so if a surprize host appeared, they have Friday to prepare.

3) Why is the SLIAC the only D3 conference in the Country playing conference games on Tuesday when their tourney is this weekend.  Especially with the possibility of a 4th place tiebreaker game in place.
Can you imagine if Mac and West had finished in a tie - play each other Tuesday in Fulton, Mac gets in at 3 in the morning, comes back to St louis to play tiebreaker game Wednesday, and winner plays in Carlinville thursday, and if they win, go home , come back to Carlinville on Saturday, but to play someone other than Blackburn.  There's got to be a better way   ... need a consultant, I'm available.. ;)
   
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: flipmastaj on February 20, 2006, 06:37:22 pm
Personally, as a proud member and one of the leaders of the Jo Co Crazies, i can say that between Webster and Maryville, we would rather see Maryville in the finals.  During the Webster game this year we had a player for the Webster team who needs not be mentioned (COREY! COREY! COREY!)... who tried taunting us during the game, we got our revenge when we won the game.  However, with Maryville, and the completely UNCLASSY fans they have, we would like to exact our revenge in that direction.  However, either way, we expect a good game to be played, and obviously cant wait for our Beavers to hold up their second consecutive Conf. Tourney Title.  (But we do have to show up first, and not let maryville carry over their momentum if they are who we will be playing).

Ill look for ya at the game hope... FLIPMASTA OUT!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ganno65 on February 20, 2006, 09:06:20 pm
Flipmasta,
As master of the spirit fingers I am very concerned with your comments. Lets not provide any bulliten board material for FU! The conference is full of parody so I don't know that we can chalk up a win just yet. It will take a good game for BC to beat FU! The crazies must get crazy from here on out!!!
Hope,
As far as who I would like to see; I want to see Maryville! The way the fans acted after the game just put a spur in my shorts. I concidered the MU fans good fans but after their actions at the conclusion of the game it made me retract my thoughts about them...
I work in the maintenance department at Blackburn and I will voice some of your concerns for seating to my bosses and see if they can come up with anything to ease some of your fears!!!
Dynasty and FlipMastaJ welcome to the discusion and keep it clean and please no more bulliten board material!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 20, 2006, 11:13:36 pm
I'll let you guys battle all this conf. tournament stuff out.  We're not in it anymore.  But, wanted to give a shout-out to the MacMurray Readers out there at I spoke with last week in Jacksonville. :)  It is nice knowing there are some other people out there reading.... (women.)  :)  Thanks for saying hi.

Thanks for the kind words hopefan.  We want to get one more and go out on a positive note.  We will see what we can do! :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 21, 2006, 12:06:11 am
Congrats to FU freshmen Justin Storandt on being chosen SLIAC Player of the week. Two more points going into tommorrows game. Conference scoring title on the line McCoy going heads up against Hammond. Also Storandt needs a productive game to lock up rebounding honors. Two freshmen that will be tough to keep off all conference ballots.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2006, 01:06:54 am
3) Why is the SLIAC the only D3 conference in the Country playing conference games on Tuesday when their tourney is this weekend.

The CCIW has a regular-season game on Wednesday. The fact that it does not involve one of the four teams in the CCIW tournament (which starts Friday) is merely a happy coincidence.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 21, 2006, 06:35:11 pm
Almost game time.
Go Beavers.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 22, 2006, 12:56:11 am
Results from Webster Groves, Mo.

Webster 84 - Greenville 78.

This was a great game for the fans at Webster.  Greenville jumped out early behind Matt Greene (25).  Greene had 15 first half points.  The big key in tonight's ball game came down to none other than fouls and free throws.  Here's the line.

Greenville:  29 Fouls (18 in 2nd Half).  9-12 FT. Four (4) Foul Outs.
Webster:    15 Fouls ( 9 in 2nd Half). 33-41 FT. No Foul Outs.

Greenville was assessed with fouls they deserved.  Some ticky tack.  But Webster got away with a TON.  Oh well.

Final Numbers.  First for Webster...

Leading Scorer: Corey Kuhn (24) with 28 points.  Hit three clutch three's to bring Webster back into the game and hit 17-18 FT's.  He scored 26 of his 28 in the 2nd half.  Darin Hoggatt (32) had 15.

For Greenville, Greene (25) was the high man with 24.  Ben Hensold (12) tallied 17, Josh Ream (22) had 13, and senior Bryson Taylor (11) ended his career with 10 points.

Final Score: Webster d. Greenville 84-78.

As for me, i'm also a senior and this was my final game of basketball at Greenville.  It's been a ride.  Three sub-500 seasons and one fantastic season at 19-8.  However, I have to say that this years Greenville team is young and we have had out struggles on the floor, but they are the greatest bunch of guys anyone could ask to work with.

:)  Thanks to all who contribute to the game I love so, Basketball. :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WebsterWatcher on February 22, 2006, 01:01:31 am
Kuhn and Hoggat did play well tonight, a lot of shots from the free throw line, and a bit were tacky. Anyone know of the truth that Kuhn's finger is broken??? I heard some people talking about it in the stands, i noticed it was taped up against Fontbonne and tonight. Hopefully these Gorlocks can get back to there midseason form. After that trip up against the griffins. Good Luck Gorlocks at Blackburn.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 22, 2006, 01:47:01 am
Sorry STL Fans BC by 12 - It was not a good nite for the youngen's.

Hope it was very nice to finally meet you and chat. Sorry for the wasted trip.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 22, 2006, 10:16:47 am
Great game by the Beavers. They played with a lot of intensity and just kept pushin the whole way.
The SLIAC tourny will be at the Beaver Dome. A place where everyone should fear playin.
Best of luck to everyone, just not when they play us! :)

Hopefan - It was great meetin you, and don't forget our offer about the shirt!

Go BC
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 22, 2006, 10:38:11 am
I work as Blackburn's student SID. To answer some of hopefans questions about the tourny,

1) the purpose for the tourny only being held in one location, Finishing first in the SLIAC grants the team the rights to host the tournament. This also means home court advantage throughout the tourny, not to many teams want to give that up.

2) Again winning the confrence permits you to have homecourt advantage throughout the tournament, this means the amount of travel needed by the schools is not a factor for the SLIAC rules and regulations, home court advantage is home court advantage.

3) Good question!!! SLIAC does need to adress this issue even though the tournament is set, a tie like that would be pretty rough on a team, but by SLIAC regulations the team would have to make the trips. Also, I'm not to sure on the tie breaker rules but I will get back to you on those b/c I think there are a couple other deciding factors before a tie-breaker game is needed.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 22, 2006, 11:40:18 am
Panther Pride we bid you a fond farewell and all the best for you in the future. It was a pleasure meeting you. Your enthusiasm will definately be missed. Best wishes from all at FU.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pitbull on February 22, 2006, 11:42:32 am
Yeah!!! lets go to carneyville and watch the SLIAC tourney.
Why do the Cornfed crazies come on here and think they are authorities on basketball. I guess when you go to such a boring school and have to clean dishes thats all you have to do. Plus your president doesn't even want you to win...look at how they support your athletic programs. Why would you want to go to a school where they don't care about sports. Why play for that place.

My predictions

Maryville over Blackburn
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2006, 12:11:53 pm
Beaver SID  -  thanks for your attempt at addressing my points  -  Wish I could have chatted with you last night - maybe we can say hi on Thursday

Pitbull  -  grow up, your negative post is not called for, nor appreciated by this Maryville fan.

Crazies  -  I continue to give you props - I've been telling everyone how I got "called out"  at halftime

Dynasty22 - XL  ;D ;D

FCnews, wait'll next year, eh?




Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 22, 2006, 12:20:35 pm
Pitbull - It's okay, I understand why you don't want to come to the Beaver Dome.
If I were you I'd be scared and intimidated too...it happens.
I don't even know what school you go to or if your team is in the tourney or maybe you are just a little kid tryin to act tough behind a screen name on your home computer.
We are a school of less then 600 kids but yet we still have some of the best talent in the SLIAC, so we must be doin something right.

Maybe I should consider transfering to Maryville, oh wait no nevermind, their idea of fun is making racial comments and heckling women.
Real mature,pal.
I don't care about the Championship game, I care about our 1st game against West-Minister, which can't be overlooked.
So best of luck to everyone but most of all to the BC Beavers.
Lets make it two years running boys!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 22, 2006, 12:44:36 pm
Hopefan - next year is just, no I'm not ready to count the days just yet. But, definately looking forword to it. Need a quick point guard, that's a must, McCoy is a off guard forced to play point and it showed last nite. Like Coach Knight said he dribbled the leather off that one. Our kids really need to mature mentally, they are just kids and this season will help.

I have a question for you cause I value your opinion. Three plays in the first half (these would not change out come) involving Sheppard twice and Kirkpatrick once. If an offensive player is set (for like 5 seconds) in a screen, and the defense does not call out screen, and the defensive player runs full blast into a screen set by a 6'5 240 solid body, there will be some contact. But, if the offensive player has his arms at his side cupping his pride is this an illegal screen. This has been called against FU more times this year then I can ever remember. Just wanted your take on those calls.

Congrats to the Blackburn Beavers. You got the job done.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 22, 2006, 12:57:49 pm
Yes, come to Carlinville. Judging by the quality of your overall rude, racist, and ignorant fans as seen in the BC vs. MU game at Maryville we would gladly take the Blackburn enviroment over a degrading contest in the presence of Maryville's fans.Why do spoiled city kids think they are NBA managers when their Mothers and Fathers are still paying their way through college. I guess all they have to do is try and downplay another schools facilities and staff.  The fact of the matter is that even though our guys dont have the state-of-the-art fitness center, they still compete and excel daily against the newer more modern colleges in the SLIAC.

My predictions BC over MU!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2006, 01:04:21 pm
Wow Blackburn SID, I guess I got taken - it's obvious from the quality of your 2nd post that you could not be affiliated with Blackburn's public relations  --hey dynasty, tone this guy down!!!!

Seriously, we've got a good thing going in this room, why let it degrade???  So now both Blackburn SID and pitbull need a timeout
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 22, 2006, 01:07:06 pm
FCNEWS,

I saw the screen call in which you are speaking of, and I agree that was the wrong call. FU's man was set up and in perfect position, a clean screen. All I can say for the officiating last night that both teams found their share of bad calls, and I congratulate FU's men on a hard fought game with a nerving fight to get back in it in the end. Congrats FU.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2006, 01:08:39 pm
FC, I specifly remember one of the plays you are referring to - Kirk was solid, didn't lean, had his hands down and his elbows in  -  I thought a poor call.   Size shouldn't matter.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 22, 2006, 01:11:24 pm
Hopefan

I am a studentworker from Blackburn like all the rest and I do take things personally when our establishment is under fire by someone on the outside, I do not think this way about all MU fans but for those of you that were there you know what Im talking about. I apologze to those on the outside of the regarding situation that makes the last post seem outlandish.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pitbull on February 22, 2006, 01:21:17 pm
What I can't state my opinions or predictions. I think we have a double standard here. The inbred crazies can come on here and bagger our players during the games yet everyone thinks its cute. But if I voice my opinion I am told I'm immature.

I'm not from Maryville...I follow Fontbonne basketball. Now I bet you inbred crazies are going to spout about enjoyin our offseason, etc. Like the chants I heard last night...real classy guys.

As far as support at Blackburn for athletics..Give me a break. Look at the facilities thats proof right there that the school doesn't support its programs. Come on look at how they fired and treated Joe Ramsey the long time bball/AD last year. Thats a great group of people I would want to send my kid too. I'm at the game last night and hear people talking about the head football coach stepping down because they screwed him on coaching positions. What support
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 22, 2006, 01:31:11 pm
Pittbull,

In no way was your post an expression of opinions. It was a clear attack and downgradement of the way our school is managed and funded. So please dont take an innocent road now, its childish. You said what you felt so stick to it, you feel as though the student body at BC is nothing but rural area students that fornicate with their family, really classy right there. Just because our programs are underfunded you imply that they are bad programs, as i stated before even with the lack of funding BC still competes and excels in the SLIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 22, 2006, 01:37:43 pm
I think we can all agree that it's not the perfect venue. But, sixteen years ago FU was a school of 400 with no sports and playing home games at the Concordia Univ. "Quazi Hut". Let's give the Beavers their rewards for earning a chance to host. Hope and counted last nite and you might squeeze 350 fans in there and it will be a crazy place.

What the conference will lose is the nuetral fan who would like to see the games. I for one will not make the trip knowing I may only get to see one game and maybe stand in the cold. But, that's OK. We didn't earn the right for me to get a gate pass.

Let's hope that future tourneys "will" be at a site where the casual fan may get a chance to see our conference's finest. That's how our fan base will grow.

I beleive Blackburns homecourt advantage is more in the quality of lighting then the overall size. The Visitors end is extremely dark. This is something that can be changed without a great cost to the school.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2006, 01:39:20 pm
I think I'll step aside and let you fight this battle, BC SID.  Just keep in mind that bulldog brower here says he's not from Maryville....  FCnews, maybe I ought to sic you on this guy   :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WebsterWatcher on February 22, 2006, 01:40:41 pm
Im not going to say any school is perfect, including my own, but how dare anyone from blackburn complain about racist comments. I heard cat calls of "Darkness, Charlie Murphy" refering to the Chappell Show about some of the young men for webster. Look at your own crowd when passing out judgments first.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 22, 2006, 02:38:00 pm
how nice to have somone else recognize the lighting issue at the Beaver Dome. For me the question is not one of having one end of the court better lit than the other, because each team plays 20 minutes at each end of the floor. It's just a matter of the overall quality of the lighting, which should not be that costly or difficult to rectify.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pitbull on February 22, 2006, 03:09:48 pm
(dog growling in the background)

Compete and excel in the SLIAC?  Other than men's basketball and baseball every three years what program's compete in the SLIAC. Look at the all sports rankings on the SLIAC website.

In 2005-06 you finished 7th
2004-2005-6th
2003-7th
2002-7th

Remember SID there are only 8 teams in the conference.
How can you guys say that your athletic programs are strong. Your administration won't pay a dime to fix the lighting in the gym. what does that take a couple new lightbulbs and a few student workers to put them in. From my inside sources I heard that your men's basketball coach is leaving at the end of this year as well. Also I heard your baseball coach is going to be leaving too. I heard through the grapevine that the baseball guy is going to go to coach for some team down south. Excel in the SLIAC hahaha. Your looking through rose colored glasses but I guess thats what you have to do to make the most of that place and keep your head in the sand when the administration doesn't even want athletics to succeed. Tell me straight up do you really think that your administration supports your program??? I know that I can tie my gym shoes and head out there knowing my school prez and dean are doing the most they can do to give us the best chance to succeed.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 22, 2006, 03:19:51 pm
New Topic - All- Conference Selections 3 teams of 5 - 15 total.

Blackburn - Allen, Djedovich, Hammond
Maryville - Regan and Hebel
Webster - Spinner, Hoggat, Kuhn
WC - Buxton and Davis
FU - Storandt and McCoy
GC - Taylor and Turner
MC - Eberhart

I didn't include the big men from MU because of injuries and the three times I saw Bash play, he didn't play well. I'd like to, great young man. I could see WC maybe getting three also. FU 's Fogerty and Kirkpatrick would get votes from some coaches.

Food for Thought

Have at IT
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 22, 2006, 03:25:15 pm
While throwing away the stats from last nites debacle, I noticed that stat crew had total attendance at 0. Hope I know I saw you there. That's two.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 22, 2006, 03:36:37 pm
I'm not the biggest fan of Carlinville and some of the things here because I come from a bigger town. But I have grown a love for it very quickly, so when someone puts it down, it doesn't go over well.
The Blackburn students realize that we don't have the greatest facilities, and I do agree that a lot should be done, but a lot of our funding goes to the education buildings first.
Do you have a problem with education coming before athletics?

WebsterWatcher - Please, no one was saying that out of racism. I mean it was said to anyone that was at the free throw line when their wasn't a chant going on. You should talk to your team first before pokin at us. Maybe you should tell them to pay more attention to the game rather then tuanting us and flipping us off. I do love it when they do that kind of stuff because we know we have gotten into their heads and that's what we have wanted from the beginning.
We have many different cultures here at Blackburn and you think we would honestly say somethin racial? I highly doubt our A.D. would allow that, who is also African-American.
Whats unclassy about chanting "Better Luck Next Year"?
Perhaps we should've chanted "Enjoy Your Last Game"

Either way, because we have the best fans in the conference, don't try to put us down for being followers of our team, try gathering your own and going against us, that is what makes it fun.

To everyone else, good luck in the tournament, be sure to watch your step in the Beaver Dome and not trip over anything due to darkness, and to the others, well, better luck next year.

One more thing pitbull, we'll enjoy playin in the SLIAC tourney while you are at home licking your wounds from your season being over.(nothin personal Fontbonne)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 22, 2006, 03:43:48 pm
OK dynasty that's enough - no wound licking here. Enjoy it and leave it at that.
 
After this years graduation you may also find yourself in a similar situation.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 22, 2006, 03:49:57 pm
fc - Thats why I said (nothin personal Fontbonne)
That was only pointed at the immaturity of pitbull.
We may be in that situation next year, who knows?
But I know they thought that about this year also.
So we'll just have to enjoy the time now and not worry about next year.
My apologies fc.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 22, 2006, 03:55:42 pm
As they say in Jamaica, "No Problem Mon"
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ganno65 on February 22, 2006, 04:43:24 pm
Pitbull,
I will agree with you on a few of your statements! However, the comments are about "OUR" school, not "Yours"... You should leave the complaining to us! I don't understand why you have such an interest in our school and our problems.
I wouldn't think you would get too upset about Blackburn students backing our school and our problems! Your complains about us and our school mean nothing to us because you have not invested anything in our school!
Blackburn is a special place where students invest much more than their money... We all contribute to the success of the school through the work program! Everyday we do our part to keep the school running! As far as support from the President of the College goes; she attends almost all of the home games and is concerned with the success of our sports!
The only reason our athletic facilities is lacking the funding is because Blackburn is one of the cheapest private schools in the nation!
Blackburn's goal is to offer an education to those who may have not had the opportunity otherwise! Athletics is just a small part in the development of students! If Blackburn's tuition was the same as other private schools in DIII, we could dish the money out to our sports programs! However, Blackburn's beleif and mission does not allow us to splurge on Athletics! Blackburn students understand the colleges policy and mission! So Pitbull, its not your battle to fight nor your right to complain about our school! We still love Blackburn and we show our love through the enthusiasm we have for our sports!
GO BEAVERS! 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 22, 2006, 05:38:45 pm
-Update for all those worried-

As of this morning Dawes Gymnasium @ BC has recieved new lighting!
The visitors side still looks a little gloomy but that is b/c of the dark colors of the walls on that side. No matter each team has to play the same amount of time on it but thankfully your concerns have been adressed.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pitbull on February 22, 2006, 06:17:30 pm
Ganno

Just trying to talk some sense into some of the crazy statements made by you inbread crazies, but I guess you can't talk sense into "banjo" strummers which there are a lot of at BC. If your guys at Blackburn are going to spout off about how great your athletic programs are like you guys are some sort of USC. What gets me fired up is when you hiljacks start messin with my boys while they are on the court and just not let them play. You make statements how other venues and student bodies are picking on women or making racial chants but the stuff that comes out of that corner is stuff that would make your mommies cringe.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ganno65 on February 22, 2006, 06:56:13 pm
I think we can all agree that we are no USC!!! Its true we most likely attacked your boys while they were on the court!
Do we harrass other teams? Yes!
Do we get a little carried away? Yes,sometimes!
Do we ride players? Yes!
However, I assure you in no way we attack individuals based on race, religion, or sex! The Crazies stay within the boundries with our comments! We chant players names/nicknames, We chant "Offense/Defense", We make remarks to the refs about calls, but I assure you that our comments are not aimed to hurt someones feelings! The crazies' comments are aimed to get in a players head! Most of the time it works!
Take for an example, last night we heckled your boys a little bit and then one of the FU players fliped us off! We were in his head! After his finger jesture towards us, we turned our attention on him, by chanting his name! What did he do? Folded! He played terrible for the last 11 minutes of the game!
Let them play? We never step foot on the court! We let them play, we just give them something to think about everytime they come to "our gym"! Are they mentally tough enough to handle good spirited fun? There are a bunch of BC parents who sit not more than 10 feet from "our corner" and I have never heard any parent complain about our remarks!
GO BEAVERS!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 22, 2006, 07:11:19 pm
I think tomorrows games are going to be an excellent display of what this conference has to offer! We look forward to welcoming and playing all opposing teams, by this I do not mean to sound arrogant. As for Pittbulls statements I pretty sure he wont be coming to the tourny so from now on let us ignore his statements and focus at the game at hand. Good Luck Maryville, Webster, West Minster, and most of all Blackburn!

Go Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: flipmastaj on February 22, 2006, 07:30:15 pm
and just for the record... i do own a banjo, i am a farm-kid,  and most of all i do know the meaning of what hard work is all about. I am sure pitbull is in some frat where he buys his friends, gets rides in his expensive foreign car that he in no way ever earned, and gets weekly checks, sucking  from mommy and daddy's teet of income.  Bottom line, i understand your frustration with us 'hiljacks' winning the conference and hosting the tourney, but thats the way it worked out.  I also have a good idea of who you are already, and its a shame that bc u didnt come to school here, and then got beat by us twice this season, that you would have to resort to such measures as casting stones in our direction with your name calling and overall rude implications.  Now, i am going back to work here on campus, for the school i love, because i know the meaning of hard work, and the value of what that can get for me.  As for you, my friend, i challenge you to get through one semester at this school; Work in the dish room, or get up at 6am to clean bathrooms, skip that nap you take in the afternoon and go build classrooms, thats what time management is all about. 

And you are right, i do hope you enjoy your offseason, titbaby.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on February 22, 2006, 09:17:29 pm
Beaver_SID. That's good news about the lighting. I was the first one to mention that, and I feel like I took some grief for bringing up an issue that now apparently people recognize as a legitimate concern. So thanks to all who took action so quickly. I'll leave my flashlight at home tomorrow.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pitbull on February 22, 2006, 09:19:06 pm
Reasons why BC doesn't win in anything:

Farm Boys don't win championships-They are from small schools and small schools don't produce players that can play. Players from those schools are into getting the sportmanships awards from the IHSA or MSHSAA. They are stiff and unathletic. Its the big suburb/city schools that produce the players guys. Known fact! I'm sure the likes of Roxana and Harrisburg couldn't run with the likes of Ft. Zumwalts, St. Charles, Webster Groves, and Francis Howells. You get tight and will fold. Plus all that stuff with you guys wearing those stupid shirts is Class A stuff. Class A kids never play in big games against big players. Class A kids get the deer in the headlights look when they get in the big games. They come up with goofy chants and cry about refing or the other team is cheating. I have seen it a thousand times. Look at Illinois too there are probably better players at places like Edwardsville, East St. Louis. I bet the Chicago teams own you guys. You can't win because all you guys played small school ball. Enough said
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pitbull on February 22, 2006, 09:20:14 pm
Plus I'd rather being hangin in the city with a hottie than out in the cornstalks with a goat
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pitbull on February 22, 2006, 09:22:12 pm
Oh and 10 hours ain't nothing. I beer back at a place down town and don't get home till the wee hours and still pull it off big boy. Plus I get to see girls that at least weight less than me and have their teeth
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: flipmastaj on February 22, 2006, 10:08:35 pm
you are genuinely pathetic and outright misinformed.  I think the funniest part of it all, is that you said we cant win... and yet... we did, food for thought id say.  As for you and your high-times talks of inner-city kids being better than us farmboys, you are pretty sure of yourself for ALSO attending a relatively small D3 school.  And for your information, just because our school is in the middle of a corn field, doesnt mean all the students are.  Honestly, something tells me you have some sort of psychological set back, like your mom didnt hug you enough or something bc all this hate you are throwing our way is, frankly, unwarranted.  I feel sorry for you and your shallow disposition, and hope that some day you can come to peace with the fact that in the 2005-2006 season, a bunch of 'hiljack farm-kids and their 'goat' girlfriends beat ur ass, and won the conference title.  Now, if you'll excuse me, me and my 'hick buddies' have better things to do than to waste time talkin to a sense-less fool, so id suggest you go back to the sad sitution you call your life, and we'll enjoy our conference championship.  Better luck next year.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 22, 2006, 10:33:29 pm
flipmastaj,

point well taken and well deserved, and being an inner city East St. Louis Graduate myself, I would have to say pittbull would of had the same poor ass deer caught in the headlights look if they would have played our team. So while the time still stands let us rejoyce on our victory and hope for a happy result at this weeks tourny while pittbull sits at home watch the UofI games or whoever he watches and think about what could have been.


Go Beavers!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beaverball4 on February 22, 2006, 11:40:56 pm
pitbull.. ive been reading your comments for a few days now... and it is finally just pushed me to the edge.. i AM from a 2A school. my school HAS won state titles.. in everything even CHEERLEADING! i came to blackburn with a terrible attitude.. hated it for a month.. but you get out and get to know people and it turns into a 2nd home. my teamates are great guys.. and you know what ive played teams like Mt. Carmel, Providence, Brother Rice, Lincoln Way Central and East, and other big schools up north in illinois.. I want to assure you after winning state with an almost unbeatable team and then coming here i didnt expect much either. BUT i came here and now i play ball with some of the best athletes i have ever stepped foot on the field with. so basically dont pull that bull crap small school to small college because my graduating class was almost as big as this school and I came here and the athletes are JUST as good.. if my comments dont change your mind.. i dont care.. because that banner may shut you up.. at least for a minute or two.. and that WILL be worth it.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mubballfan on February 23, 2006, 01:16:41 am
Regardless of this banter between SID or pitbull or whatever it is that is going on there have been some one sided comments being made on here as far as tearing down MU's fan section. You can say all that you want about racism here and heckiling women there. But the fact of the matter is that it was only 2 or 3 students out of like 50-60 that said anything racist or degrading to your women. You mad almost an identical sign as ours and you instigated and responded to our instigations just as often and evenly. So other than those 2 or 3 fans we're pretty even, and to say otherwise wouldn't be assesing the situation fairly.

Now let's look at two different incidents involving your Beavers. First there was the incident in which one of your players spit on Jason Rezabek. That is arguably the biggest form ofdisrespect in sports period. What did Rez do to him? He kept his cool and was the bigger man. Doesn't speak much of the blue collar upright citizen ethos some on your side have been tryin to convey.

Incident two. The confronatation after the game in which one of your players came down into our student section and tried to start an altercation. That by itself is unclassy enough, but also not too intelligent number wise. We had the numbers on you regardless of how big your guys were and did we play into your high school immature BS? I'm afraid not.

Nothing personal against you guys off the court or against your school or anything like that. You guys are happy there, we're happy here, let's just report the whole story. And on a side note, the whole city kids thing is pretty much not true for those there at the game. Most of those city kids, while not all of them are commuters and are often not involved in school activities like going to basketball games. Most of us down there are from places elsewhere. Which leads into my next point.

Beaverball4...I understand you don't like when someone disrespects your school. Completely understandable, but don't go over exaggerating about how good the athletes on your team are. Don't compare these kids to any of the top players to come out of northern Illinois/Chicago area. You're saying these kids can play with...Shaun Livingston, Dee Brown, Shannon Brown, Julian Wright, Bobby Frasor, Nate Minnoy, Jon Scheyer, Shaun Pruitt, Richie McBride, or Andre Iguadola? The fact of the matter is that most of these players did play Single A ball or it's equivelant. But I'm glad to hear you're having a great time at your school and are making the most out of your oppurtunity. I truly am and am not being sarcastic, that is what college is all about.

Thanks for your time in reading this and I am looking forward to reading your responses.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beaverball4 on February 23, 2006, 01:29:27 am
finally a classy post.. however i was not comparing our basketball team to those players you mentioned.. i know that there is a HUGE difference in talent there. BUT im just saying that there is talent in the small schools as well. i mean ive seen both sides. im from a double a school and play with single a guys..... although the talent isint quite the same... those are star athletes not the everyday run of the mill players. im not meaning to stir up another contorversy here but when pitbull speaks about our school being all single a crap players its just a joke to me. and even so those single a players got the job done and thats all that matters. anyways this tournament shall be quite intresting.. i wish everyone the best of luck even though i am leaning HEAVILY for the beavers. ha .. enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beaverball4 on February 23, 2006, 01:32:45 am
also about my post before i wasnt being sarcastic towards you.. i was honestly saying finally someone posts on here with some class and not some bs trying to make everyone else mad. stay classy San Diego.. a little anchorman to finish off the post.. haha
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 23, 2006, 03:02:01 am
pitbull - How can you accuse us of not being classy, when you are degrading everything about our school and the students who attend it.
I joined this site to get updated with what was going on in the SLIAC and to learn more about the other schools in the conference.
I didn't join it expecting that someone as low as yourself finds it ammusing to down Blackburn.
Perhaps you should start your own site for that, cuz you've gotten nothin but negative comments about your posts.

Mubballfan - How did we start an altercation with your student section? If cuz one of our fans went over there because he was being called a "faggot" repeatedly, then yes he started it, but in that situation I think it was the disrespectfulness of a few MU fans that caused it.

I will say this, I do apologize about saying the whole MU student section is bad, because they aren't, you're right, it was only a few of them, just as with many student sections.

If anyone plans on attending the tourney, let me know, we can meet and chat it up a little bit, even you pitbull, if you would like to discuss sports, I'd be more then happy too.

Have a safe drive everyone and we will see you tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2006, 08:58:14 am
dynasty  -  I'm ready to join the Kornr Krazies for the 2nd game tonite  -  if I can get in  -  bring my shirt!!!!!

Incidently  -  impressed by the time of your last post  -  up studying that late is exemplary!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SammytheBull on February 23, 2006, 10:03:03 am
beaverball put down the Blackburn Kool Aid-can't blame you for embracing your team and school etc. I mean no disrespect here or am I bashing your program or experience. I respect the players at Blackburn and what they have to do and over come with the work program demands and facilities, but there is no comparision with the talent up north to our small school brotherin down in Central and Southern Illinois. I'm talkin about the run of the mill players (NAIA/DIII) kids. Look at the level of play between the SLIAC and the CCIW for that matter. CCIW schools are made up of Chicagoland DIII kids. I don't believe there is one kid on Blackburn's team that could start at the top four CCIW teams (maybe the Allen kid) ''Playing with the best athletes that you have ever played with''??? What? are you from the Chicagoland area? Morris/Coal City is not the Chicagoland area. I'm sorry but the kids that come out of those schools up north just have an "edge" that the "farm" boys don't have. It seems at times that the kids from those small schools are happy to just be competing at times or are a little to laid back. Oh no I'm agreeing with pitbull on some stuff that is scary. Like I said no disrespect just my two cents. But I do respect you for going and dealin with the shortcomings BC places in front of all you guys
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SammytheBull on February 23, 2006, 10:05:41 am
all english majors or teachers please don't rip apart my above post leave the red pens at home. Good luck to all SLIAC teams and players! Enjoy the fun in the BeaverDome and watch out for those townies I heard they will get you if your not looking
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 23, 2006, 10:38:52 am
Will it be possible for Beaver SID to report results tonite on this board at the conclusion of games so those that won't make it will know results.

Good Luck to all the teams.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WebsterWatcher on February 23, 2006, 11:37:14 am
How about we get back to FC's post, All conferance??? Player of the Year?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 23, 2006, 12:01:40 pm
FC,

I would be happy to do it, although it will be a while after the game due to the stat e-mails to the conference and the 50 press releases that will have to follow!
And for anyone else going to be at the game tonight, Ill be stuck behind the computer as always taking the damn stats not being able to go Jo Co Krazy in the corner so do it for me!!!!! ID RATHER BE A BEAVER!!!!!
Good Luck to all participating teams but most of all to BC, and let the Tourny begin!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOO BEAVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2006, 12:33:42 pm
ok  -  been working on all conference  -  because the league had a pretty strong cutoff between upper four and lower four teams, I looked at not only league stats, but "critical game " stats, meaning performance vs the top 4 teams (Maryville, Webster, Blackburn, and Westminster)  -  this eliminated a run up of stats vs the lower 4 teams in league.

Hopefan's ALL SLIAC  :
1st Team

Zak Allan, Blackburn  Only player whose stats were tremendously better in "critical games" than overall

Ryan Eberhart  MAC  Leading Rebounder, top 5 scorer

Zeb Hammond  Blackburn  Stats dropped a bit in critical games, but still only one of two players (the other was Regan of MU) to hit double figures in all "critical games"

Darrin Hoggatt  Webster  Scored and rebounded consistently

Ben Hebl  Maryville  This was a tossup between Corey Kuhn and Hebl -  Hebl scored more in all games, Kuhn scored more in critical games.  Turning point was a large number of turnovers in critical games by Kuhn


2nd team
Corey Kuhn Webster  -  see above

Steve Bash Maryville  - despite reduced minutes and obvious less power with a bad knee, Bash still averaged over 10 points and 7.6 rebounds per critical game.

Justin Storandt Fontbonne  Though rebounds fell off in critical games, scoring stayed consistent at 12 per game

Matt Regan Maryville  as mentioned, one of two to have double figures in all critical games

Scott Spinner  Webster  Inconsistant Scoring, but strong assists and assist to turnover.

3rd team

Robert Davis Westminster   Had single SLIAC game of the year vs Maryville  -  Scored pretty consistant 11/game otherwise  -  weak rebounding stats

Luka Djedovich  Blackburn  Rebounded well, but shot only 26% in critical games

Bryson Taylor Greenville  Did a little of everything

Tim Elwell  Maryville  Scoring is not always a part of the job  -  led everyone in assistst per critical game, 2nd behind Allan in assists to turnover ratio in critical games.

5th spot is tough  I'll give it to Patrick McCoy of Fontbonne though his scoring fell off in critical games and he had a huge amount of turnovers.

AND the MVP  -  and I KNOW no one will agree with this  - Ryan Eberhart  Mac  -  in a league where few players stood out on a consistant basis, this kid played so hard in can't win games that Mac actually challenged for a tourney spot.



Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 23, 2006, 12:36:27 pm
Hope any comment on my All Conference post? Be carefull tonite and good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2006, 03:20:11 pm
FC  I have Bash and Elwell, you have Buxton and Turner.

FC  You kinda took the easy way out not naming a 1st, 2nd 3rd team, or MVP...   How about it?

And where are the crazy's today ?  in class?  taking a nap prepping for tonite?   Looking forward to seeing you all.

Blackburn SID   just post the score for people in the postings  -  it will take 15 seconds.  Tho it would be nice to formally enter the scores so they appear on the D3hoops scoreboard.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 23, 2006, 04:09:35 pm
Sorry Hopefan, I've had classes and work allday although it has been very hard to stay focused with all the anticipiation going into tonights game.
Me and Ganno are about to go post some "Welcoming" signs around the entrances of the campus.
See ya tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 23, 2006, 04:12:04 pm
Hopefan,

How do I post it on the scoreboard? -sry kinda new to the d3hoops thing-

All scores will be posted after the game.

The Crazies and I are all working on preparing the campus as well as our daily requirment of Illinois state education. most of the guys either work in athletics or campus maintainence and there is a lot do for student workers on 2 days notice of hosting.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2006, 04:25:55 pm
Blackburn SID

Go to front page, down right hand side, hit feedback under contact us section, go down feedback page and it has a report game scores section   --only SIDs and Coaches can do it  -  see Coach Dave, he may be able to help you.

D3Hoops is THE source for D3 scores, -try to get them in...many people are interested.

and as I said, if you just do a quick posting right here on post ups, that gets it out to some people too. :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mubballfan on February 23, 2006, 06:09:13 pm
Dynasty22 - I'm not condoning what a fellow student from here was calling the student in your fan section, however, under any circumstances you never go into another school's student section especially when you're outnumbered like you were. The incident did not have to be taken from the verbal level to the physical level that it was taken to. You have nothing to prove when you're outmanned the way you guys were. It was just asking for trouble.

However on the other hand you (and us as well) have just made the rivalry that much more bitter, and hopefully both of our schools' basketball program can keep playing at the level we did this year and keep this rivalry going. I come from a High School in Illinois that has the 4th winningest program in the nation, and a great tradition of basketball with many state championships and even a national champonship. So naturally when people came to our gym it was a big game for them. So when I came here I thought that the level of talent and excitement I would see would be greatly reduced. On one hand the talent has gone down a bit. When I was in high school we played Shaun Livingston, Andre Iguadola, Darius Miles, Sean Dockery, and so on. Of course no players of that level are going to be showcased in the SLIAC, but most of the excitement is still here. We had our bitter rivals in high school and often had altercations after the games. One game in regionals even went as far as having cops show up at a local McDonalds because of an altercation. These are the games we feel the most. When we beat that rival we feel great and when we lose we feel sick to our stomach. That truly is what is great about rivalries.

One thing I noticed that Dynasty did not address is the spitting incident. Maybe you personally can take the moral high ground and say you had nothing to do with it, but your players, even just one of them, represents your school so much more than all of your fans combined. And when something that disrespectful happens, don't play the card of how your school is all hard working, small town, blue collared, morally just, honest people, and tell us that our school is a bunch of city kids who have no morals and have never had to work a single day in their life. I've had a job consistently since I was 14, that doesn't sound to me like someone who's had mommy and daddy pay their way through life.

Again thanks for your time! 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 23, 2006, 07:09:56 pm
Mubballfan - It's in the past, and I will forget about it.
We both had done wrong things and I think everyone has come to realize how no one was in the clear.
I apologise but I shouldn't be the only one, I'll leave it at that.
Good luck and have fun, as well as I.
 -Dynasty
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 23, 2006, 11:32:48 pm
Maryville def. Webster  72-64
West Minster def Blackburn 84-59
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 23, 2006, 11:40:22 pm
I couldnt get a post on the scoreboard, so the last post will have to do.

Congrts to Maryville,
They played a great game and held off a rallying Webster team!!! Cant wait to see you guys on saturday.

Congrats to West Minster,
They dominated under the boards, from the floor, and just all around. My vote for Tourny MVP goes to Robert Davis just off tonights performance, he shot almost 70% from the floor and put up 30 points on BC. BC didnt show up tonight, and as sad as I am to say it West Minster just had nothing to lose and everything to gain, and BC looked as though they thought it wouldnt be a contest at all. Our boys shot terrible and couldnt protect the baseline.

Good Luck in the Championship game both teams, and for my Beavers lets reload and and make a run for it again next year!

Go Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WebsterWatcher on February 24, 2006, 12:52:14 am
Correction: Webster lost by 82-76

Maryville outplayed the webster bunch tonight, they won the war on the boards and had balanced scoring, at least 4 in double digits.  2 webster freshmen playin tough tonight, Turk and Stiegmeirer, Thats looks promising for next year.


I think Hopefans pick are fairly decent, Although i only saw him play a few times, Hebl could be my pick for POY, or maybe Hammond. Both of them played extremely well the games i saw. That kid from Mac plays hard, but... POY might be over stepping his bounds. His stats are artificially high due to the style of play. So i think some of his stats are a bit inflated. Hebl  played well against webster all 3 times, hits big shots in big times, decent defender. He's my POY.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 24, 2006, 02:09:08 am
Boy this board got quiet. Now MU and WC have to travel to Carlinville to play for the Championship? Makes no sense. Should go to the highest remaing seed.

I want to make one point concerning previous conversation. Don't mistake FU athletics as being just a bunch of suburbanites. On the mens BBall team you have Salem, Licking, Herman, Wext Frankfort, Il., Winfield, Steelville, Mascoutha, Il. , Edwardsville, IL. not basic bunch of County kids. One kid from Laffeyette and on from Kennedy, that's our only to suburban Kids.

Hope my POY would be Hammond. I'll put sellections up tommorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 24, 2006, 02:20:40 am
Congrats to all the teams tonight, win or lose, you left it on the court. Keep your heads up boys, and to all Seniors, thanks for a great season and I know your school is very proud of you.

Good luck to Maryville and West-Minister, may the best team represent the SLIAC in the D-3 tournament.

Best Wishes,

   -Dynasty

P.S. - That was a nice lookin shirt tonight, Hopefan, sorry we couldn't pull it out.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsBall on February 24, 2006, 03:04:27 am
Any predictions for the championship game on saturday? Being a maryville fan, i'm gonna go with MU-76, Westminster-62
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 24, 2006, 07:28:29 am
"That kid from Mac plays hard, but... POY might be over stepping his bounds. His stats are artificially high due to the style of play. "

FYI - Mac changed its "style of play about 10 games into the season. And for what it's worth, when Mac was using the "system," Eberhart played less than 15 minutes a game - far less than many of the players on other teams who were putting up pretty good numbers. Once the five in, five out system was flushed, and the Highlanders went back to a more traditional style of play, their performance (and record) dramatically improved. I saw every player in the league, and didn't see a player who contributed at both ends of the floor - from start to finish - as well as Eberhart did. Points, rebounds, defense, effort, attitude, and substantial minutes night in, night out. There are a number of deserving candidates for POY - but I think going on stats alone and looking closely at the complete performance of a player over the entire season, Eberhart would be the player who would rise to the top of the list.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 24, 2006, 09:36:33 am
Mac Attack - I agree with you on the young mans effort and season. If was a conference MVP, Eberhardt win hands down he is the most valuable player to his team. But, seeing as we give a POY award that is why I went with Hammond.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2006, 10:04:04 am
saintsball  -  if you saw Westminster dismantle MU 2 weeks ago, or if you saw them last night win at Blackburn, I think you would be hedging your bet.  Westminster looked super -  We (MU) are in for a very tough game tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pitbull on February 24, 2006, 10:11:05 am
Where are the beloved beaver backers!!!

Remember this guys and maybe you farm boyz can relate

The hen is the smartest of the animal kingdom because she doesn't cluck until she produces her egg

LETS GO BEAVERS!!! LETS GO BEAVERS!!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 24, 2006, 10:52:40 am
I apologize to the fans for the incorrect score report, It was late.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 24, 2006, 12:26:40 pm
I'm still here, and will always be backing BC.
Perhaps we got ahead of ourselves, you're right, but it was a good season and no one has anything to be ashamed of.
We still made the tourney and also hosted it, somehting YOU can't say you did.

Bottom line, I just realized how jealous you really are, or else you wouldn't be so into tryin to put us down.
Did you try out for the team and not make it? Or maybe you didn't get accepted into our school family?
Either way, we accomplished soo much more then you did and our boys have nothing to be ashamed of.
Keep your heads up fellas
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WebsterWatcher on February 24, 2006, 12:58:08 pm
Ehbert did do good things this year, but you didn't abandon the system against us the first game, and the second time around you played us that way for the first ten minute of the first half. I guess i don't have good authority to speak of that young man because i only saw him play a game and a half.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 24, 2006, 01:25:59 pm
All Conference is a very subjective process. I have set in on those meetings before. A coach will place a player up for selection and support the players case with numbers. Then the other coaches vote based on actully only see a player twice maybe three times all year.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 24, 2006, 01:31:07 pm
The Reported attendance for last nite was 150 for MU v. WU and zero for BC v. WC. Can anyone comment on true numbers.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 24, 2006, 01:54:06 pm
There was at least 350 there last night....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 24, 2006, 03:21:37 pm
Great crowds lastnight. Very enjoyable enviornment, other then the loss.
Had a good crowd but just couldn't get the boys goin.
It's all good though, nothin to hang our head about.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2006, 03:24:57 pm
notes on a trip for an evening of Basketball at Blackburn

1)  Taking rt 4 up to Carlinville is a really nice trip - several quaint towns, a great chicken sandwich at Hardee's in Staunton, great conversation with new found d3hoops buddy yjaclock.
That being said, coming home to St Louis on rt 4 the last 2 times, I have been trailed by state troopers!!!  Last night I had to endure various speed limits ranging from 15 mph to 55 mph for close to 25 miles!!!!

2) Had a very lively conversation with the Blackburn AD regarding my complaints about the Blackburn facility.  While we agreed to disagree regarding my demands of minimal standards for a facility , he did bring out one irrefutable point - the small amount of seating available didn't come close to being filled for the Webster - Maryville game.  There were probably 30 students from the two schools in total at the game.  Thank goodness for family and friends of the program being there.  The  players deserve better.    In the second game it was a great turnout of Blackburn students filling half the normal bleachers as well as the temporary  bleachers across the way.  Westminster had only a smattering of parents - no critique on that given the long distance from Fulton.

My over under on attendance for Saturday's final is 125.

I was given reasons for the format of all 3 games being at the conference champ's court - but this type of attendance should really get a discussion going when the SLIAC has meetings.

3) Always good to say hi to Mr Hart, Mr Meckfessel, and various coaches.  I think the SLIAC has a tremendous number of good coaches, passionate about the game, their kids, their schools.

4)  The Blackburn Crazies  -- thanks for the jersy - I'll treasure it and use it often - have enjoyed meeting a number of you guys - loved the way you supported the team as the game wound down last night.

5)  Westminster - shoot, I might as well tear up my all conference selections and start all over - you guys looked super - Blackburn, a great season, it looked like you simply ran out of gas  -  lots of memories I'll bet.

6) Webster - MU ;  a great, intense game - exactly what I expected.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 24, 2006, 03:59:33 pm
Hopefan - Great post. Extremely classy, which is why I'm very glad I got a chance to meet you. Hopefully we'll see ya again next year!
This season has been filled with many memories from beginning to the end. It seems as if once we lost it didn't hurt just the team but everyone surrounding them, when one of them hurts we all hurt, I think I now understand why when I was recruited here that they tell you that the Blackburn community grows on you and you become a family.
I'm goin to miss so many of the Seniors on and off the court. They've showed me so many things this year that couldn't have been taught by anyone else.
I commend everyone on a great season and the great times that came with them.
Best wishes for the future and remember...this isn't the end.

    -Dynasty22
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 24, 2006, 04:20:14 pm
Just made a quick note of number of seniors loss for each squad.
Mac 6, MU 6, BC 6, WU,WC,GC all 1 and of course FU 0. Should be some changes in the air for next year.

Between MU and WC who do you all feel has the best chance in NCAA Tourney first round.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 24, 2006, 04:31:04 pm
My 1st team All Sliac

Hammond
Eberhart
Davis
Hebel
Hoggat

2nd Team

Allen
Spinner
Storandt
Buxton
Bash

3rd Team

Turner
Djedovic
McCoy
Kuhn
Regan

Couldn't find a spot for Elwell but probably deserved
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on February 25, 2006, 07:38:24 am
MacMurray graduates five seniors (not 6): Downham, Carroll, Boyer, Cunningham, and Eberhart. Four kids who did not play the second semester - Long, Birch, Greene, and Sanders - should all be back, which will make a huge difference. Add 5-6 recruits - including some kids that I think will raise a few eyebrows around the league - and the Highlanders should be much improved. Compton, Hipshir, Kowa, Huff and Robertson all played considerable minutes this year, which will also be a factor. And Workman took advantage of the playing time opportunities and played pretty well at times. So this could be a very interesting team next year. The key will be bringing in a couple of point guards who can play right away, and a rugged post player who can replace Eberhart. I personally think the Highlanders will be bigger, stronger, and better next season. A key factor is we'll start the season without the "system," which clearly will be an advantage. In addition, I think our coach is learning and growing into the job, and there is no question this team improved (in spite of the many bumps in the road) over the course of the season. I give a lot of credit to Coach DeNeve fpr that. And I think Mac has proven it can compete with anyone in the conference, home or away. We'll know a lot more when practice starts in the fall, but we'll get a glimpse of what the potential is when recruits are announced later this spring and early summer. I'm very optimistic. Should be another exciting season.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsBall on February 25, 2006, 07:37:16 pm
MAryville beats Westminster 90-65!! Advance to the D3 Tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride on February 25, 2006, 07:51:44 pm
Good Job Maryville winning the SLIAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 26, 2006, 09:19:56 am
All Conference was announced after the tourney, as well as an all tourney team

All Conference

First Team
Hebl   MU
Eberhart  Mac
Hammond  BC
Hoggit  Webster
Allan  BC                      Allan was named MOP

2nd team
Kuhn  Webster
Bash  MU
Buxton  Westmin
Spinner  Webster
Djedovich   BC
Regan   MU

HM
McDormand  WC
Skorandt  Font
McKoy  Font
Taylor  GC

All Tourney   

Hebl  MU   MVP
Allan  BC
Turk  Webster
Davis   Westmin
Kurz  Westmin
Regan  MU
Elwell  MU

Congrats to all
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 26, 2006, 09:28:12 am
As for the championship game,  MU came out and shot unbelievably - after 13 minutes, the score was 38 -13 and MU was 9 - 11 from 3 point land.  Admirably Westminster cut that lead to 11 in the 2nd half, but eventually ran out of steam.   MU effectively defended Davis, so Westminster's offense became totally perimeter  -  Buxton and Mcdormand keyed the comeback, but when the 3's stopped falling, it was all over.  On the other end, MU offense was unstoppable  - probably over 60% from the field - the only negative at all was poor free throw shooting.

I was off on my attendance estimate   There was about 165 at the game, which in the confines of the dome, got pretty noisy.  My personal thanks to all who were able to attend and support both teams!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 26, 2006, 10:47:46 am
Don't know if they got an invitation or not, but classy move by Hoggatt and Turk from Webster to appear at the game and at the awards ceremony afterwards to receive their honors.  I was disappointed none of the Blackburn players appeared in the same manner to also be acknowledged by the crowd.

Another classy move - right after the normal walk through of congrats, the Westminster coach game over to the Maryville bench, huddled them up, and exhorted the team to show what the SLIAC is all about next weekend by playing their hardest  -  coach, much appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 26, 2006, 11:28:04 am
Thanks Hope for all the information.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 12:42:18 pm
I couldnt get a post on the scoreboard, so the last post will have to do.

Congrts to Maryville,
They played a great game and held off a rallying Webster team!!! Cant wait to see you guys on saturday.

Congrats to West Minster,
They dominated under the boards, from the floor, and just all around. My vote for Tourny MVP goes to Robert Davis just off tonights performance, he shot almost 70% from the floor and put up 30 points on BC. BC didnt show up tonight, and as sad as I am to say it West Minster just had nothing to lose and everything to gain, and BC looked as though they thought it wouldnt be a contest at all. Our boys shot terrible and couldnt protect the baseline.

Good Luck in the Championship game both teams, and for my Beavers lets reload and and make a run for it again next year!

Go Beavers!

If you're looking for Blackburn's username and password, it might have made sense to contact the proprietor of the site.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 26, 2006, 12:50:57 pm
Easy Pat this is first year we've had any Beaver Posters at all.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 26, 2006, 06:33:14 pm
D3hoops shot at guessing what the brackets might look like has MU going to Augustana  -  let's hope it's closer  -  to IWU instead.  We'll find our early tomorrow morn.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on February 26, 2006, 06:38:38 pm
Hey Pat,

Not to be rude or anything, but it was about 11 o'clock when i got out of work and this site was not the only thing i had to take care of before friday morning. So not a lot of time was put into it, maybe a total of 4 minutes. I apologized for the wrong posting and not being able to get on the scoreboard but at the same time I am just a student worker and If the school or you or someone else wished it to be put up, they should have informed the proper administration.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 07:27:43 pm
Beaver:

I do understand full well. I have been an SID myself and I have been a student worker in a sports info office. I didn't say one thing about "the wrong posting" -- just that if you can't get into something perhaps you should ask for help.

It only takes a few seconds to write an e-mail. You obviously are familiar enough with the site to register to post so I don't think it's that far to stretch to ask for help.

We inform the proper administration every year. Your conference office is aware of the lack of SLIAC score reporting a well. I understand that it doesn't mean it filters down to you but the message board posts surely did.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 27, 2006, 10:44:13 am
Well, not a totally unmanageable situation for Maryville - the competition in the Mississippi College regional is not at a level that Maryville hasn't faced this year.  The ASC has not yet produced a national power, and despite Miss's gawdy record, I'm not convinced they are there yet  -  I imagine these teams are at the Hanover, Transy level - a level that MU has shown they can play at.  Unfortunately it's a LONG trip, and I won't be able to make it down 55 to the Jackson Ms suburb of Clinton.  We are not the underdogs we were 2 years ago when we had to play IWU at the Shirk.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mactitan on February 27, 2006, 11:23:16 am
I want to wish Maryville well.  Has a SLIAC team won an NCAA game?  If not, I think this could be a chance.  I was looking at the Miss. Col. site, and they have not had a close game in a long time, and they clinched the conference championship in January.  They look like they'll have a pretty good crowd, as most of their home games in Feb. were 1000+  They are an incredibly balanced team - at least on the stat sheet.  They have one player averaging double figures, and there are only two guys that play more than 20 minutes a game, and none that play 22 minutes a game.  They have 13 guys averaging more than 3 points a game.  I have never seen them play, but from the stat sheet it looks like they are a guard-oriented team that plays pretty good defense.  If Maryville shoots like they did against Westminster, this could be the upset of the first round, possibly setting up a classic Maryville-Maryville match up.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on February 27, 2006, 12:18:58 pm
I want to wish Maryville well.  Has a SLIAC team won an NCAA game?  If not, I think this could be a chance.  I was looking at the Miss. Col. site, and they have not had a close game in a long time, and they clinched the conference championship in January.  They look like they'll have a pretty good crowd, as most of their home games in Feb. were 1000+  They are an incredibly balanced team - at least on the stat sheet.  They have one player averaging double figures, and there are only two guys that play more than 20 minutes a game, and none that play 22 minutes a game.  They have 13 guys averaging more than 3 points a game.  I have never seen them play, but from the stat sheet it looks like they are a guard-oriented team that plays pretty good defense.  If Maryville shoots like they did against Westminster, this could be the upset of the first round, possibly setting up a classic Maryville-Maryville match up.
Without looking it up (again), I believe the SLIAC teams are 0 - 9 in recent NCAA Tournament play.  I think this is actually a good regional for Maryville (Mo) and the SLIAC.  Mississippi College is likely the better match-up for Maryville (Mo).  Maryville (tn) or Trinity (tx) are more physical teams -- long, tall and with lot of banging under the boards by both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on February 27, 2006, 12:43:55 pm
Congrats MU make us proud. Taking nothing away from WC but I think that MU stould a much better chance to get us our first win. Experience, size and guard play.

Hope congrats on the alma matre hosting a regional.
Also can someone explain to me how WC's Davis did not make All-Conference?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on February 27, 2006, 12:47:31 pm
Best of luck to the Saints.
Represent the SLIAC well.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 27, 2006, 12:58:21 pm
FC  per my comments on Davis in my All Conference selections  -  he had the one unbelieveable game vs Maryville, but was very ordinary otherwise - in the critical games, if you remove the one Maryville game, he averaged 8.8 pts/game and 3.5 rebounds/game, and even more telling, only 17.5 minutes per game.   

He did make the all tourney team based on a great game vs Blackburn, but the next day, he didn't do much at all, primarily against Bash, who was out the game when Davis destroyed MU at WC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 27, 2006, 01:03:50 pm
oh and just to set the record straight, I am not an alum of Hope - we lived in Holland Mi 1977 - 1987, and were supporters of Hope Bball during that time - After moving down to St Louis, I was thrilled when both of my sons decided to go to Hope in the mid 90's.   I am truly a "hopefan"
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on February 27, 2006, 01:10:29 pm
Also   --Mactitan and IWUmichigander - thanks for the writeups on Miss Coll and the words of encouragement.  I remember when Maryville went up to IWU two years ago, there were several very positive comments in Post-ups about how hard MU played, and how much IWU got out of the game  -  I was very proud of that, because IWU fans know what's going on.  Well, 5 seniors start and a 6th comes off the bench, all who played two years ago  -  I'm hoping that experience pays dividends this week.  Believe me, if they shoot like they did this past saturday, ole' Miss (college) will be in a state of shock!
Thanks again for posting in the SLIAC room.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on February 27, 2006, 01:24:27 pm
hopefan - not all IWU alums come from the Illinois Cornbelt or Chicago.  I grew up in the Jacksonville area and follow your conference teams. Maryville (Mo) has a better shot at winning a post season NCAA tournament game in this bracket than the potential other choices the NCAA Committee may have had - Illiniois Wesleyan, Augustana or North Central.  In all honesty, if Maryville had drawn IWU, it would have been coming into a stirred up hornets nest at the Shirk.  Not much better odds against Augustana where Rick Harrigan would likely be shooting the lights out.  And, little chance against North Central where the Cardinals have probably the CCIW's best BMOC this year in Anthony Simmons.  Simmons at 6'6" can shoot in the paint, mid-range or from the perimeters has developed into one of the very best passers I have seen in a big man at this level in recent years. NCC is the best disciplined team I have seen in some time.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 12:48:38 pm
I want to wish Maryville well.  Has a SLIAC team won an NCAA game?  If not, I think this could be a chance.  I was looking at the Miss. Col. site, and they have not had a close game in a long time, and they clinched the conference championship in January.  They look like they'll have a pretty good crowd, as most of their home games in Feb. were 1000+  They are an incredibly balanced team - at least on the stat sheet.  They have one player averaging double figures, and there are only two guys that play more than 20 minutes a game, and none that play 22 minutes a game.  They have 13 guys averaging more than 3 points a game.  I have never seen them play, but from the stat sheet it looks like they are a guard-oriented team that plays pretty good defense.  If Maryville shoots like they did against Westminster, this could be the upset of the first round, possibly setting up a classic Maryville-Maryville match up.

Mactitan, MissColl is one of the most athletic teams that one will play.  You can beat the Choctaws with a strong traditional big post-inside game that scores in the low 70's/high 60's.

Otherwise, you probably have trouble running with them.  They are 11-strong on the bench.  A mutual opponent between IWU and Miss Coll is UT-Dallas. 

IWU had trouble "putting away" UT-D on a neutral floor, according to Titan Q, winning 71-58.  MC won over UT-Dallas in Clinton by 10, but soundly defeated them by 19 at UT-Dallas with a tourney bid on the line for UT-Dallas.

I am always wary to boast about the ASC, because we have so few opportunites to play Midwestern schools in the South.  We always seem to playing you on the road, 800-1200 miles away.

Nonetheless, I look forward to seeing how MissColl does this year.  I think that their greatest chance for success is for them to play Tyler Winford about 28 minutes and concentrate on pulling the game inside to set up the MissColl periphery and the transitional game.  Trinity TX always carries great respect in CCIW circles, but Trinity very carefully chooses it ASC opponents.

This time we will see.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 01, 2006, 09:30:12 am
To the Maryville Team:
Well guys, I can't make it down to Mississippi this weekend, and because I'm not around the Maryville campus except for games, who knows when I'll even see the 6 seniors again.  I just want to thank you for a great season this year, and wish you all the luck in the world for this weekend.   I want to hear that you guys went down there and played harder and smarter than you have all year -  and I want to hear that every one of you had a blast - that it was an experience you'll never  forget. 

Let's shock the D3hoops universe!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 02, 2006, 08:08:29 am
Anyone know if there will be audio for the MU v. MC game tonite. If Bash and Klien play big and Hebel's on, this could be alot closer then people are expecting out of a SLIAC representive.

Good Luck to the Saints and their senior class.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 02, 2006, 04:16:57 pm
there will be broadcasts  -  SID at Mississippi said there would be an internet cast from them (though there is no sign of it on their site yet)  and, Maryville will make an attempt to do one also (I didn't sense optimism that they could make it work).  There is also a continuous feed of stats for the games on the Mississippi college site.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 02, 2006, 07:37:07 pm
Thanks Hope - If anyone does connect, please post updates.

Let's Go SLIAC
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 10:59:45 am
Link for Maryville - Mississippi

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/scoreboard/div3/20060303

I listened portions of 3 games last night on this link, so I know it works!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 03, 2006, 05:14:32 pm
Unless something changes between now and game time, I do not think Maryville will have a broadcast tonight. Mississippi College will have an internet broadcast for the game, however. The link is on the front page of the Mississippi College athletics site.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 07:54:19 pm
other Maryville  (Tn) is beating Trinity by 20 just into 2nd half

Anybody out there?   if not, I'm not gonna post scores etc.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 03, 2006, 08:08:47 pm
I'm here, hopefan. Post away. BTW are you at home or at work?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 08:22:06 pm
home  :  everything at work happens on Sunday, and it doesn't look good from the talk on the street.

I listened to portions of a number of the early games with no problem, but i can't get the Hope game   -  I'm hoping better luck with Maryville.
Calvin men won - they'll play Hope if Hope wins   Calvin women lost at Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 08:23:55 pm
Other Maryville still up 20 with a little over 4 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 03, 2006, 08:25:04 pm
R-M men lost to Wooster. R-M women are leading Hood by 19 w/about 9 minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 08:32:33 pm
Maryville women are also currently playing but I can't find a score.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 08:35:40 pm
other Maryville wins 83 - 64  (it says 2 seconds left, but it's said that for 5 minutes)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 03, 2006, 08:48:51 pm
I'm on the Mississippi College men's basketball page and can't find how to connect to the broadcast of the game with Maryville. Can anyone help?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 08:53:22 pm
yes  go to main athletic page - link is on right  -  I'm getting it!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 03, 2006, 09:04:37 pm
I've got the stats, but no broadcast. Is that all there is?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 09:06:54 pm
no I'm listening  -  it's right by stats  -  main athletic page

Maryville women win 48 - 41 over lakeland
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 03, 2006, 09:10:46 pm
Got it. I had downloaded the "Abcast" but it took 3 tries to get it to boot up and bring in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 09:13:29 pm
4-2 Miss after 3 - scarey start with a dunk for Miss, but Bash powered for a hoop  -  Regan offensive foul, the announcer questions it, Rogers upset

6 - 2 from inside

Hebl for 3  6 -5
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 09:17:06 pm
I'm cutting in and out awful   gotta quit posting, it shuts it off
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 03, 2006, 09:20:06 pm
That's the difference between DSL & dial up. I'm getting it loud & clear. Talk to you after the game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 03, 2006, 09:53:20 pm
Congrats Lady Saints !!!! Keep it rolling.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 03, 2006, 09:57:43 pm
The womens head coach at Miss College predicts the mens team will reach the final four.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2006, 10:11:33 pm
Doesn't sound like the Saints are giving them any problems..... :-\
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 03, 2006, 10:33:58 pm
Doesn't sound like any SLIAC squad could match up with Miss College
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 03, 2006, 10:48:29 pm
Mississippi College may be in the toughest bracket. Assuming they get to the Elite Eight, to reach the final four they will have to get past either Hope, Calvin, Wittenberg, or Baldwin-Wallace. But they first have to beat Maryville (TN), then the winner of the Transy-Wooster game. I hope for their sake that their women's coach knows what she's talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 03, 2006, 10:49:24 pm
Tough loss for the Saints tonight. Another wake up call for the SLIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: whocares on March 04, 2006, 12:14:26 am
so give some input on the game, stats, what happened?  hopefan?  anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 04, 2006, 09:45:12 am
Mississippi College was too quick, too deep and, and played very tough defense. The announcer, who was excellent and did a very fair job under the circumstances, said the pattern all year had been that teams could stay with Mississippi College maybe until the final 10 minutes of the game, but then their depth would take over. Maryville was behind by 12 at the half, so if the announcer was correct (and he was) then things looked grim for the Saints. Mississippi college scored the first 8 points of the second half. They had nine different players score in the early going of the first half before someone finally made a second basket. Apparently their coach preaches, teaches and demands a TOTAL team concept so that no one player will have eye-catching stats. I haven't checked for a box score, but then anyone can do that themselves. Hope this was the kind of info "whocares" was looking for.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 04, 2006, 08:30:15 pm
sorry guys, my computer imploded last night  -  I'm at the office now listening to the Hope game  -  I'll talk to the staff tomorrow or Monday, let you know - friggin dial up connection is worthless trying to listen to a game.  Looking at the box score, looks like we were out rebounded badly, turned the ball over too much.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 07, 2006, 07:17:59 am
shot in the dark,

If Hope wins on Friday night, is there anyone else out there in the St. Louis Mo area who would be interested in driving over to Witt to see Saturday's game?
Private message me and maybe we can hook up  -  I'm willing to drive  - drive back after game getting home late.
Note  -  could be Hope vs Mississippi College.
Best to private message me.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 12, 2006, 01:30:31 pm

 
So.. a general venture  from the above..
top 3   Blackburn, Webster, Maryville (especially if Bash recovers)
Middle 3    Fontbonne, Mac, Greenville
Bottom 2 Westminster, Prin
 


Last March, I took a look at each team, who graduated, who was coming back, and finished with a summary forecast....   I pretty much nailed this season last March!!!   Got the top three, missed on Fontbonne as both big scorers left school and most of the team was replaced with freshmen,  and while I acknowleged that Westminster would be better, didn't foresee the rise of Robert Davis to pull them up to the top of the middle pack.

This week I'll take a look at the rosters this year in the same way - already aware that if we can trust the Mac fans, much more is coming back than the stats indicate as several prospects sat out a year. 

Hopefully it will generate some interest in D3hoops during the offseason.  It would be nice if the fans close to the programs could report recruiting news also...

 It would also be nice if anyone was close enough to a program to know what went on at the conference meetings to report it here.  I made enough noise with suggestions this year that I received some response back from various schools - some positive, some not so positive.  I only want to help make the SLIAC more attractive to fans and recruits so that our basketball programs can be recognized by a wider range of fans, and perhaps by a level of player who can make the league competitive in the NCAA tourney.

One of the main questions in my mind is what scheduling will look like next season - with 10 conference teams, will the league play 18 conference games, go divisional (which would be bad, as geographicly, the Missouri or South division would seem to be a little too strong), or go to an unbalanced play some teams twice, some teams once schedule?  And what will the conference tourney look like - 8 teams, 6 teams (3 vs 6, 4 vs 5, 1 and 2 get a bye) or still 4 teams?
FCnews, you're close to the inside, have you heard anything?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 12, 2006, 05:21:29 pm
Hope first congrats on Hope College getting both teams to the round of 8 and the women to the final 4.

On the conference. It will be an 18 game conference schedule. Eureka will be participating in post season tourney next year. LC will not because they have a three year probation before being accepted as a Div. III school. As we speak, the tournament next year will be four. That said there is disscusion now on expanding to 6 ( 1 and 2 get byes, ect. ) there are a couple of hold outs to this plan and it will need to passed by conference vote. My gut says we will have 6 in next years tourney.

On recruiting: We're still 6 weeks away from institutions start presenting financial aid packages.

The NCAA has audited all schools on packages presented to student athletes in comparison to non athletes. This may hamper some of our schools in the area of recruiting. I don't see this effecting FU. But, I have no info on how it plays out for schools with work programs.

I also would like to congratulate FU on being one of the top 20 div. III schools in the nation on graduation rate of student - athletes. I'll try to find the date this was released in the USA Today. I beleive it was based on 1999 in coming freshmen class. This is a big plus for our program.

Former FU player Kennard Davis has had his dream come true, of being able to get paid to play. He is traveling with exhibition team similar to 'And One", it's sponsored by the energy drink Red Bull. Let's say I beleive it'd Red Bull may be one of the others. This info came from former player Mike Horton. It would have been nice to see him this year on the floor with this young team. But you got to feel for a kid in his position, with family committments and trying to work and play to meet universities out of pocket expenses of a couple grand a year. He is a very nice young man and wish him the best.

Disscusion is on going to bring former stand out John Thomas to the FU bench in a coaching position. Hopefan you think he could teach FU's young post players a move or two. This is a young man that led the nation in all divisions in FG%. It would be nice to John around the program again. Remember he was the IL. state tournament MVP on the losing end of the championship game.

OK Hope I've done my part. We still need to firm up our wager on the Hope v. FU softball game at IWU. May be road trip time.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 12, 2006, 05:41:47 pm
Could some help me with the spell check icon above. Which one. English was not my best subject.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 12, 2006, 11:24:08 pm
Excellent stuff FC- you earn a Karma with that info - Very informative  -  I hope they go with 6 team tourney - would obviously keep more teams alive longer, and generally speaking, the 3-6, 4-5 games are good games.  It would also rule out the last league contest being the same week as the tourney  -  I complained about that this season.
The 18 game conference means less non league games, and will likely necessitate league games before Christmas.  Maryville played such a good schedule this season, but dropping the tough NAIA schools and/or the Bahamas competition won't hurt them  -  the inexperienced group that will be on the floor for them next season doesn't need that level of competition early on.  18 conference + the tourney with Webster vs the Indiana schools + likely Wash U already gets MU to 21 games.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 12, 2006, 11:42:31 pm
I failed to mention that FU has firmed up arangements to play St. Louis Univ. on next years schedule. Look out Savis Center the Super Sophmores in the house.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 15, 2006, 11:41:52 am
Here goes nothing - My early early forecast for next season - who's leaving and who's coming back for each team and how it might affect them.  If they're a senior, I assume they're gone, if they're an underclassman, I assume they're coming back.
Recruiting is ongoing and new recruits are obviously not taken into account.

Blackburn  -  This year's cochamps lose 5 seniors :
2006 2nd team all conference, 2005 SLIAC MOP Luka Djedovich, Starting point man Todd Stevens, strong rebounder Matt Maddox, and role players Jake McWhorter and Josh Oswald.  This is a bundle to lose - Djedovich has been a 4 year star, and Stevens a solid perimeter threat and tough as nails attitude.  BUT coming back are two first team all conference players, Zeb Hammond, and this year's SLIAC MOP Zak Allen, along with Bryan Waters.  Three very good players, but Blackburn is REALLY hurting for size with Djedovich and Maddox leaving, and their depth suffers tremendously.  New faces are going to have to play alot of minutes next year.

Fontbonne  NO seniors on the roster - everyone back, and most of them will be sophomores.  This team didn't win many games this year, but it was a learning experience.  Frosh big men Ryan Kirkpatrick, Justin Storandt, and Brian Fogarty will be a handful as they develop, and Guards Patrick McCoy and Andrew Almany both are quick and can shoot.   The depth is there too...  any new recruiting will just make things better.
Maturity should lead to better shot selection by the guards and a better sense of the flow that will get Fontbonne wins.

Greenville - Only one senior is lost, Bryson Taylor, an All Conf HM this year.  Greenville's game was quickness and perimeter shooting, much like Blackburn, and most of their perimeter group returns with AJ Turner, Matt Greene, Ben Henold, JosH Reams, and George Atchison.  Trouble is, every one of these guys are pure guards, not forwards.  Lack of size and strength killed Greenville this year, and will again unless help comes from the recruits.  Brad Mutton and Darin Williams try hard in the middle, but... well, not quite enough.

MacMurray -  Mac loses my personal choice of League MOP, first Teamer Ryan Eberhart, along with 5 other seniors, Brad Cunningham, Kevin Downham, Stan Boyer, Brett Carroll, and Jim Michels.  I have to admit, I only saw Mac once, in what might have been one of their worst games of the year (at Maryville) - and only Eberhart impressed me.  But this team came on strong in the 2nd half of conference, and many guys who really played return, including Neil Compton, Dawson Huff, Jerel Robertson and Nick Hipsher.

Maryville  - OK, you all know this is the team I follow, and we are losing 6 seniors who have done wonders for this program - all Conf 1st team Ben Hebl, All conf 2nd team Matt Regan, All conf 2nd team (SLIAC POY 2 years ago) Steve Bash, Tim Elwell, Ryan Klein, and Jared Smiddy.
Fortunately, Coach Roger's substitution patterns got his bench some significant playing time, but certainly next year will be entered into with question marks at every position.  Returning are Mike Turpen, who had a string of double digit scoring games in the first part of the season ended with a month long knee problem, Matt McCarthy who subbed well for Bash, but ran out of steam towards the end of the season, Matt Baker and Aaron Steinke, two frosh with nice size who both need to bulk up and get aggressive, Casey Holland, who showed signs every now and then, but would mistake himself out of playing time on most nights, and Teddy MgGrath and Ben Arand, neither of whom showed much propensity towards being a point guard when given the chance.  The injury crew returning are 4 guys with size, none of whom contributed this year due largely to injury - Jason Rezabeck, Josh Andrews, Mike Bollinger, and Marcus Vanden Heuval - Rezabek's return would be huge, but major back problems are tough to overcome.

Principia didn't win a D3 game all season - they only lose 1 senior, big man Zeke Chiteri.  Everyone else is back, including leading scorer Chris Watts.  Nowhere to go but up, and hey, they did beat Lincoln Christian this past season.

Webster loses only 1 senior, athletic Christian Basilio - What a group returning!  That group is led by All conf 1st team Darin Hoggatt (I wonder if he ever followed up on that Valentine's Day setup from Kevin Slaton?), 2nd team all conf Corey Kuhn and 2nd team all conf Scott Spinner. Add to that mix point guard Benny Roberts, shooter Ryan Turk (who made the all conference tourney team), small forward Doug Stiegenmeier, and big man Brad Robinson, and all bases are covered  -  Webster is loaded - good shooters, an inside post presence, a solid point guard.

Westminster loses one senior, David McDormand HM all conf, but it's a big loss- he was a leader and played hard - and he had his best games against Maryville. 
Returning is the outstanding Guard combo from Lafayette HS, Andrew Buxton and Landon Kurz, Robert Davis in the middle, and Cade House on the wing.  Depth comes back with Scott Dygert, Kurt Kuschel, and Dylan Schram.  I knew this team would be much improved over two years ago, but I underestimated how far they could come - and who would have thought  Davis would have some of the big games he had at the end of the season.  Good coach, a real threat.

Eureka is one of two new teams coming to the conference  -  they move from the NIIC, where they had a poor record this past season, but one only needs to know that they beat Westminster and Greenville, and split with Webster to know that they will be competitive in the SLIAC.  They graduate 3 seniors each of whom averaged around 4.5 points per game.  Leading scorers Tim Peffer (15.1), AJ Richard (14.6), and Chris Tarpley (11.4) return  -  Richard and Tarpley were also their leading rebounders.  Leading Assist man Matt McComb also returns.

Lincoln Christian - had a rough season, and played level with Prin in two games.  They lost two seniors, including Howard Wickersham who averaged 12 points and 5.8 rebounds per game.  Returning is leading scorer Matt Searby (13.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg)  and two others who averaged around 8 per game, Adam Everett, and David O'Malley


So how will next season stack up?  Here's my prediction based on who's coming back

1  Webster    no holes, great attitude, know how to win

2  Westminster   Great guard combo, reasonable depth, need Davis to show up every nite.

3 - 4  Blackburn/Eureka
        Blackburn great nucleus of 3 returners, but the cupboard seems bare after that
        Eureka  -  competitive with the SLIAC this year and much back - sight unseen

5 - 6 Fontbonne, Maryville
   Fontbonne - babes this year - things will start to kick in next year - learn to play harder, smarter
   Maryville - lots of potential, great coach - could surprise, but need to stay away from injury bug - consistancy is a key

 7 - 8  Mac, Greenville
   Greenville - good perimeter players, gotta find some players with size inside
     Mac - lots returning from a team that had some good games - again, consistancy is crucial.

9  Prin
10 Lincoln Christian


Would love to hear some comments  Let's try to keep this board alive
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 15, 2006, 03:08:28 pm
Great job Hope - 2 Karmas if I could. You are the biggest assest we to this site.

My Griffins finished this year with a couple of quality games. A one pt. loss to Westminister at the buzzer and a overtime win on the road at Webster (your #1 pick). The loss of Davis and a true point guard and I could see at least 4 more conference wins this year. It will be hard for me not to see this team in the top four.

Are there going to be any coaching changes next year?

Westminister will suffer a couple of losses to the rigors of the road and adding trips to EC and LC doesn't help.

Maryville's success will depend on which route coach choses, Juco or true freshmen. Maryville's bench could not hold leads against FU in both contests.

The loss of Dejavich of BC will be the hardest senior to replace in the SLIAC. His poise on the floor, leadership, scoring and rebounding are not going to be replaced by any one player. The Beaver Dome is always a tough place to win.

The biggest question of all will be how does GC replace "Panther Pride".

Next year will bring the most parity this conference has seen in quite awhile. I pray that the few hold outs vote for the six team post season tourney. Four is just way to few. All you have to do is look at the D.I tourneys and see. Who will be the Syracuse of the SLIAC.

Thanks again for all the info Hope, great job.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 17, 2006, 10:28:54 am
I may be writing to only myself, or only FCnews, but I am amused...  I took note of the number of views the SLIAC room had at the time I posted my lengthy comment regarding each team's losses and returns of personnel and a projection of next year's standings.  Since I posted it, there have been 128 views of the room, yet only 1 person felt the urge to reply - it makes me wonder who reads the SLIAC room, and why they don't reply  (let's face it, having written something about each team, There could have been any number and type of replies - agreement, disagreement, modification of my projected standings, modification of returning personnel etc.)
so who views but doesn't respond at a 99.3% rate?

1) People within the programs - staff and players - who professionally or morally or by dictate (coach told players -DONT POST) feel they can't post.   That's understandable.  If there are a large number of these people, it's a shame they can't comment, because I would love to see the responses for conversation's sake.

2) Big D3hoops fans from outside the SLIAC who read all posts within their geographic region of interest, but don't know the teams and individuals so don't comment.  That's understandable. 

3)  The one I don't understand would be SLIAC fans who could post, but for some reason don't?  Remember, 125 viewings, one response.  I include for instance, parents of players.  If there are 100 SLIAC players, there are 100 sets of parents out there most of whom probably saw games.

 When I read the posts of the active rooms such as the CCIW or MIAA, I get so jealous  - in those rooms are a handful of fans who can discuss games and players intelligently - talk about strategies, strengths, weaknesses  -  what I get a kick out of - I just can't find ANYONE (with 3 or 4 exceptions, to do that with regarding the SLIAC.)

ahhhh St Louis is a lonely place to be a D3hoops fan, even with FCnews and yjaclock  (Darryl Lloyd where have you gone?)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 17, 2006, 11:30:47 am
Hope don't feel lonely! I know that the FU SID read your post and he called me to say he couldn't beleive a guy with know kids in any program works as hard as you do. He doesn't post cause I handle the updates from FU. I know of several coaches that read for score updates cause we usely beat the sliac site. They don't post for obvious reasons. FU players read but don't post because of idiots from our school several years ago and there coach doesn't want any bulletin board material on here and he doesn't want them to embarras the school like the past. Don't feel alone Hope, hang in there bud we need ya. You kinda keep me grounded and we have grown to respect each others opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 18, 2006, 02:35:50 pm
2) Big D3hoops fans from outside the SLIAC who read all posts within their geographic region of interest, but don't know the teams and individuals so don't comment.  That's understandable. 

That's me. I fit into this category.

I read this room regularly, and really enjoy the enthusiasm, thoroughness, and consistency that you bring to it, Hopefan.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 18, 2006, 02:52:50 pm
That means alot coming from you Greg  -  thanks
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 18, 2006, 05:51:27 pm
There you go Hope, keep up the good work.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 18, 2006, 11:30:51 pm
hopefan -- my hard drive crashed on Tuesday night. Just got a new one installed today, reloaded all the software, re-established inernet connection, etc, etc. The good news is that we didn't lose much that matters as this computer is used primarily for internet access. No important documents were stored on it. So am just now reading your post of Wednesday with predictions for next year in the SLIAC. Incredible job of research. I think your analysis of Greenville, Prin and Lincoln Christian at the bottom is probably correct, but I think the top seven spots are more up for grabs. Blackburn's coach has a way of getting new players as sophomores or juniors and integrating them into the team quickly. (When Kaneshiro was coaching Webster in '01-'02 Tim McDoniel came in as a junior and was Newcomer of the Year. In '04-'05 it was Essington as a junior, and in '05-'06 it's Allan as a junior.) Who would have thought they'd have been as successful as they were this year without Barnett and Essington from '04-'05? I also think Fontbonne and Mac will be tough. Eureka is a wild card at this point. They play with incredible energy and win as  much on energy level as on talent. If the other SLIAC teams take a lesson from Eureka's never quit style of play, then the whole conference will be better. Maryville is also an unknown at this point. Hard to know where to put them. So I think Webster, Westminster, Fontbonne, Mac, and Blackburn will compete for the top, with Eureka and Maryville as the potential surprises/spoilers.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 19, 2006, 10:43:59 am
yjacklok - I'm sure Hopefan will happy to see your post. I agree with you about Coach K, Websters loss was Blackburns gain. Webster, though, picked up another fine coach in Coach Bunch. Thanks for your comments about FU, I do beleive they will be the sleeper of next season.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on March 19, 2006, 05:50:17 pm
Hopefan:

Awesome post on the 2006-2007 season. Already looking forward to it, although we're many month's away. More than anything, I wish for the academic and physical well-being of all the kids. After seeing the SLIAC teams this past season, as well as seeing Eureka and Lincoln Christian, my gut (without the much-appreciated returning player data gathered by hopefan) tells me the following:

Blackburn loses a lot, and struggled at times down the stretch. Certainly won't be counted out, but will fall into the middle of the pack.

Fontbonne will be improved, but how much? Younger players have talent, but disappeared in some big games.

Maryville will rebuild. A play-off spot is probably in the cards, but it won't come without a real scuffle with a lot of other teams.

Greenville could move up. Showed at times it could compete with most of the conference teams but came up short when they needed to get it done.

MacMurray will be hard-pressed to replace Downham and Eberhart. Recruiting news has been good and key players return. Building on strong finish this year, Highlanders will move up and contend.


Principia should win a few games, but not enough to step into the SLIAC picture. A couple of year's away from contending, if that.

Webster has a solid core group returning and has to be considered an early favorite for post-season honors. High expectations will put a bulls-eye on their back. Has to be the favorite going in.

Westminster will mirror Webster, in terms of returning talent and expectations. Will be in the mix going into the final week of the regular season. Along with MacMurray, has to be respected for improvement.

Eureka will fit very well into the SLIAC and be an instant contender for the post-season. Well-coached and some pretty good players coming back. AJ Richard will be a legitimate POY candidate.

Lincoln Christian will struggle early and often. Could battle it out with Principia for
the south end of the SLIAC.

Predicted finish (subject to reevaluation in October):

1. Webster
2. Westminster
3. Eureka
4. MacMurray
5. Fontbonne
6. Blackburn
7. Maryville
8. Greenville
9. Principia
10. Lincoln Christian



Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gc_fan on March 20, 2006, 11:28:20 am
Hope - thanks for your analysis - great stuff!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 20, 2006, 11:55:58 am
SLIAC fans - thanks to each of you  for the recognition - it did my spirit good , countering the downers of the end of D3hoops times, tax time, and budget time at work, all hitting at once.

But remember, for those of you who enjoyed my analysis, this site could be 100% better if we could get just one individual from each school to post objective material for their school next season - reviews of games, previews of upcoming games, recruiting news, who's playing beyond expectations, who's playing below expectations.  It doesn't have to turn into trashtalk, but can be legitimate opinions as to perspective matchups and game winners.  That's why I admire the CCIW room, there is so much good historical info out of there, coupled with great analysis of games played and impending games.   

The better and more detail the writeups include, the more recognition the kids get, because they sure don't get much from the Post Dispatch.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 20, 2006, 03:10:27 pm
Ok this is just a fantasy idea. Now that the St. Louis I. C consists of 6 IL. schools and only 4 MO. , wouldn't it be nice to add STL. of Pharmacy and say William Jewell College to our conference. For those that haven't noticed Pharmacy has really improved in many of their sports. This would give us a fourth STL school and William Jewell and Westminster would be an instant rivaly. We could go to two six team divisions and the top three from each make the post season tourney. Only problem would be that the MO. division would be loaded.

Food for thought!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on March 20, 2006, 04:46:20 pm
I'd like to see if the SLIAC can become more competitive with other conferences before adding more schools.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 20, 2006, 05:12:44 pm
My impression is that the NAIA schools, ie William Jewell, whom I saw play last year, and or Central Methodist, whom I also saw play, are a definite step up from the SLIAC  -  they should be, as they can give scholarship money to recruits.  I say this even though Maryville beat Mo Bap and McKendree this season.  I believe that to be the exception, not the rule.

Another idea in this vein, that could conceivably draw some fans would be some kind of tourney matching local NAIA vs SLIAC schools  -  a nice selection of NAIA schools would include Mo Bap, McKendree, Columbia, Lindenwood, etc.  and Others I can't think of off the top of my head.  But wow - I'm afraid our SLIAC kids would have a tough time.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 20, 2006, 08:13:18 pm
just through the three year probation time, until their scholarship players graduate. During that time they wouldn't qualify for post season. The NAIA match ups would not help our in-region competition.

Like I said just Food for Thought.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gc_fan on March 20, 2006, 09:27:27 pm
fcnews - William Jewell is located in Liberty, MO (north of Kansas City), would that be too far especially for most of the IL schools etc.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 20, 2006, 09:33:22 pm
My bad gc meant William Woods. Still look at the terrible travel WC has next year with the addition of EC and LC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 31, 2006, 12:43:00 pm
I see Scott Murfin, who moved up to Maryville's varsity Basketball team from the JV in February, also pitches for the baseball team.  He's off to a good start, at 2-0, 1.35 ERA over 20 innings.  He was part of a 3 pitcher no hitter vs Clarke College of the NIIC. 
Murfin looks like a good shooter on the basketball floor - may get some playing time next year behind Turpen
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUSaintsFan on March 31, 2006, 03:04:42 pm
I believe that Scott is also a sibling (or relative) of Greenville College basketball and softball player Stacy Murfin.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 06, 2006, 04:59:57 pm
scores in the st louis post today:

Women's softball :

Webster  34    Lincoln Christian  0
Webster  29    Lincoln Christian  0

I don't know anything about Lincoln Christian, but I hope the SLIAC officials really did their homework in establishing that this school has the potential to be competitive in athletics in the conference.  The last thing the conference needs in selling itself is the addition of a significantly inferior athletic program.  Does LCC have any programs that are currently at the level of other SLIAC schools?  Men's and women's basketball were (I think) winless against SLIAC competition.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on April 06, 2006, 07:34:42 pm
hopefan - I haven't done this in a long time (and probably won't now) but you might be able to answer your own question by visiting the Lincoln Christian website. Also, I believe I am correct that at this time LCC is a provisional member of D3. So if they can't cut the mustard, they might not make it to official status.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 07, 2006, 09:38:31 pm
Technically, I don't believe that LCCU is provisional yet. I believe they start provisional status in the fall.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on April 08, 2006, 09:58:48 am
Pat, thanks for that clarifcation.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 08, 2006, 01:57:20 pm
Incidently, gotta admit defeat  - 

Women's softball at Illinois Wesleyan on Friday

Fontbonne  3     Hope  1

FCNews, you are one up on me!!!!!!!   
I was gonna go up today to IWU and see some softball, but chose instead to stay home and do my taxes  -  let's see, I've been up 5 hours, and procrastinated for 5 hours  -  shoulda gone to Bloomington.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 08, 2006, 08:38:20 pm
ouch - looks like Ihave to grovel even more  -  Fontbonne whips Hope again today in softball at IWU, and Wash U does the same!!!  Well, at least the Dutch came back and no hit Maryville....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on April 09, 2006, 08:28:38 am
Don't feel bad Hopefan FU beat IWU, also. The lady Griffin's are now 6-2 against top 25 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on April 20, 2006, 07:12:38 am
Does anyone know of any summer basketball leagues that SLIAC players could play in, especially something in or close to central Illinois?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 20, 2006, 08:23:25 am
Mac -there is a league every summer that the St Louis schools paticipate in   -  I always vow to attend games, but end up watching the cardinals instead...  Maryville, Webster, Fontbonne, Merimac, Wash U, and one or 2 other schools always have teams in it.   I'm sure you could call MU, Webster, or Fontbonne Bball offices and find out schedules and it may even be early enough to get a spot in the league if the weekly trip down to this area was feasible.   The couple of nights I have seen it was a nice mix of regular players playing + guys trying to advance off the JV or incoming frosh.  Games locations rotate around the various schools.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on April 20, 2006, 02:32:08 pm
I wonder what the NCAA restrictions are for summer basketball leagues for college players? Is there a difference between D1 and D3? St. Louis is a long haul on a regular basis. Wonder what it would take to start a similar league in the Decatur/Carlinville/Jacksonville area??? Would like to see the coaches from these respective schools, and others (Eureka, Lincoln Christian, others?) take the initiative and get the ball rolling. Would be really good for the players who want to improve. Ideas???
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on April 20, 2006, 06:54:55 pm
I don't have any specific information, but surely there is something going on in Springfield. I have a friend in Springfield who refs high school, and gets asked to ref 3 on 3 tournaments in the summer. I'll e-mail him to see if he knows anything. Will post what I learn when I hear back.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on April 20, 2006, 09:08:40 pm
Thanks. You would think with all of the small colleges around the Springfield area there would be something going on. And I would think coaches would want their kids to do more than just work out in the drive way. Like anyplace else, facilities and officials are always an issue. Let us know what you find out.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on April 21, 2006, 07:06:28 pm
Mac Attack -- sorry to report that my friend did not know of any summer leagues in Springfield. Good luck with your search.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 22, 2006, 04:51:41 am
For you 2 or 3 SLIAC fans out there - I note this is a big weekend for softball in the SLIAC..   Webster at 18-12 plays a doubleheader at Wash U at 1 and 3 on Saturday,    and on Sunday, the SLIAC's leading teams play when Fontbonne goes to Maryville at noon.  I won't make the Saturday game, but if it's a sunny Sunday, that dh for first place sounds inviting.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on April 23, 2006, 10:41:15 am
Let's hope Webster hangs a "L" on Wash U. FC beat the bears and received little to no pub in the post. WU was ranked #15 and FC beat their All-American pitcher to drop her record to 16-2. FC's Annie Dillinger, who is leading the nation in RBI's hit a game winning 2 run homer. The first HR given up my Saguarz all year. A win by WC will help the future of SLIAC softball. Hope please post any notes on Todays DH at Maryville. I got home from Negril, Jamaica at 1 am this morning.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 23, 2006, 11:33:51 am
Geesh  bad enough you guys have a bunch of Hawaians on the team, now you're recruiting Caribbeans too  ????!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on April 23, 2006, 02:20:59 pm
Hpefan - that's Webster with the Hawaiians. Found a 7' jamacian soccer goalie. What an athlete! Bright young man. Student visas from Jamaica are tough to get.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 23, 2006, 07:29:30 pm
FC ..... last second decision not to see doubleheader as weather looked a little iffy   -  turns out should have gone as it never rained and the Cards couldn't do anything against Maddox on TV....  haven't checked results yet on DH.....   maybe I'll try to see the conference tourney if it's in St. Louis.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUSaintsFan on April 24, 2006, 11:42:54 am
MU and FU split. MU took the 1st one 6-3 and FU won 3-0 in the nightcap (or afternoon cap if we are being specific).

Interesting note, MU All-American catcher Brianne Haas took a ball off the eye in her first AB of the day and after sitting one and a half innings to get the swelling down before getting back in the game to draw an intentional walk. Walk a hitter that basically only has 1 eye to load the bases? Well it didn't pay off as FU pitcher hit the next batter to bring in a run.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on April 25, 2006, 10:30:47 am
A little bit of recruiting news. Now that it is official, I can post about 3 quality players FC will have next year.
Josh Branch (Ft. Zumwalt W.) shooting guard named conference MVP (ahead of Sodeberg), had 35 pts in last weeks All - Star game, including 5 3's in the fourth quarter.
Cartez Parker - Pt. guard from Laffyette H.S.
Trevor White - 6'5 swingman with unbeleveable hops from Salem H.S.

These kids will fit nicely with last years freshmen class.

Hopefan - you see alot of local ball each year, did you catch any of these kids?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 25, 2006, 11:15:00 am
boggles my mind that Parker is going to Fontbonne - except Porter's connection may have helped.   Nice player, typically well schooled at Lafayette - knows the game.  I like him immediately to tone down Fontbonne's back court and give floor direction.  Exactly what Fontbonne needed to go with the quality big guys.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on April 25, 2006, 11:25:46 am
I don't understand the "boggles" part hopefan. It came down to FC and CMS. He went somewhere he knew he could play right away. The Branch kid may be the best pure shooter the sliac has seen in a while. I agree with the tone down comment.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on April 25, 2006, 11:43:08 am
Anyother recruiting news from the sliac. Hopefan any info on MU's incoming class?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on May 18, 2006, 05:57:30 pm
Word on the MacMurray campus is Coach DeNeve has resigned. Hope it's not true. Coach DeNeve is a very hard worker, well prepared, and a terrific person on and off the court. If he is leaving, the new coach would inherit some pretty good returning players and what could be a nice recruiting class. Highlanders have a very good point guard coming in, a couple of athletic wings, and a 6'8" kid who could be just what the doctor ordered. MacMurray's 2006-2007 schedule is out. Grinnell, Rockford, and Monmouth coming to Jacksonville. With Eureka and Lincoln Christian joining the SLIAC, Mac lost four non-conference games. Highlanders are playing the LaGrange (Ga) College Classic just after Christmas. Anyone know anything about LaGrange (Ga) College?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2006, 06:27:00 pm
Mac Attack, is the SLIAC not going to a Division format?

In any case, I think that the LaGrange game will be competitive for MacMurray.  They are a solid, well-coached team in an average conference, the GSAC. 

The game is winnable, so that is good, but you cannot take them lightly.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on May 18, 2006, 08:27:20 pm
I don't think the SLIAC is going to divisional play, but it would make sense. Mac plays everybody twice. Would be nice to have two divisions - play everyone in your division home-and-home, and play the other division one game each and rotate home and away every other year. That would allow for the non-conference games that are always interesting (but I would assume sometimes difficult to schedule). I noticed where Illinois College isn't on Mac's 2006-2007 schedule. What's that all about? I would think two D3 schools that are less than one mile apart from each other would play each other. I was told that IC was getting harder and harder for Mac to schedule - but not playing at all is hard to understand, considering the travel money that would be saved and nice gate for both teams.

I think Webster played in the LaGrange Classic last year??? Anybody know for sure, and if so, what were your thoughts of the competition, facility, campus, community, etc. Looks like about an 10-11 hour drive for Mac fans.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2006, 10:25:44 pm
Mac Attack, here is the Webster 2005-06 schedule.

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Webster&team=m

Yes, they lost to LaGrange and to Emory.

You might get in some golf at the Robert Trent Jones courses that are back closer to Opelika and Auburn about 40 minutes west on I-85.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 19, 2006, 03:56:20 am
I agree that it just doesn't seem right for the two Jacksonville schools to avoid playing each other. You don't drop your crosstown rival with whom your long-standing annual contest is a big local deal without some sort of agenda at work. It's highly unlikely that it was a matter of scheduling difficulty, since games like this one are the sort that you put in ink first when you start constructing your schedule and then build around with the other games. I wonder if canceling the series was a move by one or the other school administrations, or both.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on May 19, 2006, 05:27:52 pm
Look for divisional play and an expansion of post season tourney as early as 2007-2008. Tournament may expand as early as next year.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on May 19, 2006, 07:58:45 pm
I can't imagine the MacMurray administration or athletic program not wanting to play Illinois College. I heard that IC was getting harder and harder for Mac to schedule. The word on the street was IC didn't want to play Mac - felt like they had too much to lose and nothing to gain, although after seing them play this past season, my sense is Mac would have given them all they wanted - which is probably why they're not on Mac's 2006-2007 schedule, at least not yet anyway. Maybe the two schools are still trying to hammer out a date - the game would be at Mac if it's played. What a deal....

Divisional play would be sweet. Guess that would put Maryville, Webster, Westminster, Fontbonne, and Principia in one division, and Blackburn, Eurekam Lincoln Christian, Greenville, and Mac in the other one. Eureka only won four games last year, but they beat Webster, Greenville, Principia, and Westminster for their four wins, Hmmmmmm.... They also lost at Blackburn, at Westminster, and at Webster. They finished the season a not-so-pleasent 14 game losing streak...

Wonder if divisional play will mean playing teams in your own division twice and the other division once?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on May 21, 2006, 12:10:31 pm
Regarding possible divisional play, my guess is it won't happen. I don't know what conferences currenlty have divisional play. Can anyone name them? It seems to me that it would require a 12 team conference for that to become imperative. In the ODAC there are 10 men's team and 11 women's teams. They do not have divisional play. They play each other twice a season. That means 18 conference games and 7 non-conference games for the men; 20 conference games and only 5 non-conference games for the women.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2006, 12:35:23 pm
The Commonwealth Coast and the American Southwest currently do.  The NJAC did in 2004-05.

The North Atlantic Coast Women also have divisions.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on May 21, 2006, 06:37:59 pm
The Commonwealth Coast Conference and the North Atlantic Conference have 13 member schools each. The American Southwest Conference has 16 member schools. This further confirms for me that 12 schools in a conference is the reasonable minimum for splitting into two divsions.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2006, 06:48:57 pm
The NJAC had 10. The Centennial had 10 and was split in divisions. And although we don't list the standings this way, the CUNYAC has 10 teams and splits in divisions.

There isn't a more geographically compact conference than the CUNYAC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on May 21, 2006, 07:10:23 pm
Interesting.

Do you think, Pat, that the divisional format in a 10 team conference is effective?

I suppose the farther apart geographically the schools are the more sense it makes to create divisions, with the schools being closest to one another in the same division.

For example, now that the SLIAC will have 10 member schools, the divisions might be Eureka, Lincoln Christian, Mac Murray, Blackburn and Greenville; then Webster, Fontbonne, Maryville, Principia, and Westminster. However, I am not advocating this. I think 10 teams, playing each other twice for a total of 18 conference games and 7 non-conference games is a pretty good system
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2006, 07:28:37 pm
Can you justify the five team division for the sake of classtime and scheduling?

Will it make a difference in the travel budget?  Is there a tight history among the teams in the division that is somewhat diluted by the other teams in the conference?   Are all of the teams in each division roughly competitive?

With whom (D3?) will you fill that void in the schedule?  Are you competitive with them?  Dropping an SLIAC opponent for an IWU doesn't make much sense, IMHO.

After consideiring these questions, then I think that divisions might make sense.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on May 22, 2006, 03:17:28 pm
Has it been confirmed by MacMurray that Coach DeNeve has resigned? If so, who would be some of the leading candidates for the position? What kind of coach do you think MacMurray could or would attract? It's a small school, but an excellent opportunity. The new AD seems top-notch. I would assume he would want someone who would build a winner, with solid student-athletes....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on May 23, 2006, 01:51:39 pm
The St. Louis summer league has started - From what I can tell, games are 6:30, 7:30, and 8:30 every Thursday night.  At Maryville the next 3 Thursdays May 25, June1, June 8...... At Meramec on June 15....at Webster June 22, June 29, July 6, and July 13.  It's a great chance to see some of the new faces in the SLIAC.  Sorry, can't tell for a fact who has teams (except that Maryville has 2), but I assume Fontbonne, Webster, Merramec are also represented; maybe Wash U....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on May 25, 2006, 05:53:28 am
I believe yje league consists of Merremac, Maryville, Webster, Fontbonne, McKendree, Lindenwood and I think there is a team of Westminister players from this area. They will be playing tonite. I hate watching these games because of the fact that alot of kids can't travel in for these games and that the kids have to coach themselves.

Other News = I would like to welcome Ryan Good to the Fontbonne Family. Ryan played and coached at Webster. He is joining the staff as Head Baseball Coach and Asst. Basketball. Welcome Ryan.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Golions on May 26, 2006, 10:21:04 am
Lindenwood is not in the league this summer...Too many players from out of the area!

Im happy Ryan got an oppertunity but I hate to see him go to the dark side of Big Bend!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on May 26, 2006, 11:43:46 am
Golions welcome a board. It's only the darkside two days a year in basketball. Ryan was recruited by Coach McKinney out of H.S. and continued a friendship while he was at Webster. This move does not surprise me.

Last nite WU beat FU by 4. Coach Bunch said that he had his full squad. FU's biggest man was Fogerty. Kirkpatrick, Storand and White could not make the drive. Webster also had a kid who plays at UMR playing with them. 6'6 and very athletic quite a nice player.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on May 26, 2006, 02:00:20 pm
BIG news!!!!

I have a confirmation from inside the MacMurray Athletic Department that Coach Deneve will not be back coaching next year.  I did this simply by calling and asking.  I tried the same thing with Blackburn and yes, Coach Kaneshiro is also leaving.

Good luck to both these guys in their future endeavors.  SLIAC hoops has really been fun to watch the last several years and I have grown to appreciate the job that all the SLIAC coaches have done.  Again, best of luck to the departing coaches and thanks for developing a couple of Very competitive teams.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on May 26, 2006, 06:44:13 pm
hopefan -- did you find out where Deneve and Kaneshiro are going?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on May 26, 2006, 08:47:56 pm
Both coaches will be missed. Class acts and tremendous role models for their student-athletes. I didn't always agree with Coach DeNeve's "system," but he did the very best he could with the talent that he had. His kids played their guts out for him every night. Best wishes to both coaches and their families.

Who can be expected to step in at Blackburn and MacMurray? I wouldn't think the assistant at MacMurray would be promoted, but you never know. He's never been a head coach and he's pretty young - but he's familiar with the program and the players, and I think he would be a hard worker and a good recruiter. The new AD may want someone from the "outside" who can come in and ramp up the program and put his own stamp on the basketball team.

What kind of coach would be attracted to a school like MacMurray or Blackburn? Older? Younger? Experienced? Previous success? An up-and-comer?

Whoever gets the MacMurray job will be inheriting some pretty good players - Hipshir, Compton, Kowa, Robertson, and Huff played a lot of solid minutes last year. From what I hear, Brady Greene will be back, after missing the last half of the season. Evan Birch and Craig Workman will also return, and I know they're hoping that Jeareau Sanders comes back. That's a pretty good group of players to start with, and they have two point guards coming in and possibly a 6'8" kid who can play some. The cupboard isn't bare.

Good luck to both teams in finding quality coaches - and best wishes to Coach DeNeve and Coach Kaneshiro.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on May 27, 2006, 01:52:04 pm
I was told Coach K is returning to Hawaii. I beleive his wife is too home sick. He will be tough to replace.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on May 29, 2006, 09:06:49 am
yes, Coach K from Blackburn is going back to Hawaii with his family.....  Not sure of Coach Deneve's plans.  My phone conversation with Blackburn seemed to indicate that the search process has been going on and the prospective candidates have been significantly narrowed to just a few.  Will be interesting to see who they get - small school, very rural, but with a recent track record of getting some very good locals - good enough to win or contend for conference the last several years, with 3 or 4 outstanding returnees  -  timing is tough though, as a good class is needed this year to replace all the graduates from this past season.  I have grown to really enjoy Blackburn despite an unfortunate misunderstanding with the Blackburn AD.  The students do a great job of supporting the team and make the games a fun event worth the drive from St. Louis to see - the teams have been well coached and they play HARD.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on May 31, 2006, 03:01:38 pm
When Dave returned to the area a couple of years ago (after his short return to the west coast) the Blackburn position opened up at the perfect time. I anxious to see how many people are interested in Carlinville, IL. and the SLIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on June 01, 2006, 07:26:09 am
Does anyone know of any basketball camps that might be hiring D3 players to help? I've seen players in the past who were floor monitors in the dorms, helped referee games, etc. Any information would help. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 06, 2006, 02:10:46 pm
Chris Bunch is the greatest thing that ever happened to the SLIAC and i met a girl who worked at hooters in knoxville and said she worked at the hooters in the Louis so i said i had a buddy who was a bball coach in the louis and she screamed Chris Bunch, now how many other coaches in the SLIAC roll that hard, none

Chris Bunch is a legend
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thud Bucket on June 06, 2006, 05:29:33 pm
My son, who plays basketball in the SLIAC,  has a chance to work at a St. Louis University basketball camp the weeks of June 12-15 (Academy of the Sacred Heart) and June 19-22 (St. Charles West High School) in St. Charles, Missouri. It's a commuter camp, so we're looking for a place for him to stay in St. Charles that's close to where the camp is being held. Anybody have any suggestions or advice? Thanks in advance for any help.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Golions on June 09, 2006, 11:08:44 am
Thud-
How long ago did he get hitred to work those camps and how did he got about getting hired?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thud Bucket on June 09, 2006, 11:33:54 am
About a month ago he contacted head caoches in midwest. He had two or three offers, which was really amazing. Tremendous experience and lots of fun.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 10, 2006, 01:12:41 pm
Awww, the coach at MacMurray left? He was a nice guy, came up and asked me if I was diehardfan when you guys played us a few years ago. I thought it was funny that he read the CCIW board at all,but especially funny when he said he knew it had to be me because I was the girl who got there early and stayed through both games. One of my funnier interactions with a coach from an opposing school for sure.

Someone will keep us updated about where he ends up, right?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on June 10, 2006, 01:51:58 pm
Interesting.

Do you think, Pat, that the divisional format in a 10 team conference is effective?

I suppose the farther apart geographically the schools are the more sense it makes to create divisions, with the schools being closest to one another in the same division.

For example, now that the SLIAC will have 10 member schools, the divisions might be Eureka, Lincoln Christian, Mac Murray, Blackburn and Greenville; then Webster, Fontbonne, Maryville, Principia, and Westminster. However, I am not advocating this. I think 10 teams, playing each other twice for a total of 18 conference games and 7 non-conference games is a pretty good system

With the NJAC the reasoning behind the split into two five team divisions was to enable the schools to play more regional competition out of conference.  The NJAC is playing the system to a certain extent in limiting the number of times the NJAC teams beat up on each other.  I do think the divisions work.  The northern NJAC team play the skyline and CUNYAC teams and these teams for the most part do not help the NJAC QOWI or whatever it will be called this year.  By reducing the conference schedule to 13 games from 18 allows the NJAC teams to play stronger teams from outside the Atlantic region but still within the regional limits.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on June 14, 2006, 07:29:24 am
Any rumors on thoughts about head coach replacements at MacMurray or Blackburn? I would assume the assistant at MacMurray applied. He's an outstanding young man, but not sure that's he ready for a head job. Would think the Highlander AD would look to bring someone new in. Don't know anything about Blackburn. Anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gc_fan on June 20, 2006, 05:24:53 pm
This does not have to do with Basketball per-sey, but on the d3football.com page the headline is that the SLIAC conference is going to be sponsoring Football again starting in 2008.  There are 4 schools from Minnesota (Martin Luther, Minnesota-Morris, Crown and Northwestern) that will join, creating 2 divisions.  Principia will join them to create the north division, Greenville, Blackburn, Wesminster, Eureka and MacMurray will make up the south division.  As far as Basketball goes, I believe these new schools will still stay in the UMAC so it will have no effect.  Rich Meckfessel, the SLIAC commish says "Even the four SLIAC schools that do not play football are enthusiastic about this."
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 01, 2006, 03:47:52 pm
Word on the MacMurray campus is the Highlanders have hired a new basketball coach. He was calling players yesterday afternoon. Maybe Pat can find out who it is, his background, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 05, 2006, 07:32:53 am
New Coach for the Highlanders is Steve Hettinger, formerly the head coach at Olivet College in Michigan. A comment on one of the other league boards said the coach was a real competitor who got the most out of his players. Welcome to MacMurray, and the SLIAC, Coach Hettinger. You will be inheriting a solid nucleus of players, and some surprisingly good newcomers. I'm sure the delay between DeNeve leaving and Hettinger arriving impacted recruiting, but quite frankly, most of the recruiting should be wrapped up by March or April. Look for MacMurray to be in the play-off mix throughout the season. I have a feeling that our new coach is going to bring new energy, excitement, and success to our program.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on July 10, 2006, 06:15:23 am
Gone a whole month and not a lot of news to read. There has to be some recruiting updates or something. Let's go guys.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 10, 2006, 03:59:01 pm
Went thru the SLIAC schools' sites to check out schedules  -  thus far, only Blackburn, Webster and Greenville are posted that I could see. 

Obviously, the growth to 10 teams in the SLIAC with additions Eureka and Lincoln Christian reduces non conference games to 7.

Webster highlights are Hanover and Transy in the Sodexho Classic, Fisk, Millikin, Wash U, MSOE, and NAIA? Rheinhardt  - A VERY solid non conf schedule whether Rheinhardt is good, soso or bad.
Blackburn has Wash U, Rose Hulman,  Millikin, and UMSL with several others-  not bad
Greenville has Mckendree and not much else (ie Logan, STL Pharmacy, Robert Morris Springfield, Concordia Ill)  pretty soft stuff.

Anxious to see the rest of the league.....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 10, 2006, 04:03:54 pm
Incidently, hopefan became 'Grandpa hopefan' on July 6.
At 8 lbs, 10 oz,  22 inches, I'll be promoting him to SLIAC schools as a power forward in the recruiting class of 2024  - 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 10, 2006, 06:17:16 pm
Here's MacMurray's schedule. I understand there is one game to be added, hopefully with Illinois College.

11/18 Millikin
11/21 Monmouth
11/25 Grinnell
12/6 at Lincoln Christian
12/9 at Webster
12/29 at LaGrange College Classic
12/30 at LaGrange College Classic
1/3 Rockford College
1/6 Westminster
1/9 Principia
1/12 at Greenville
1/13 at Fontbonne
1/16 at Eureka
1/18 Blackburn
1/20 at Maryville
1/27 Webster
1/30 Lincoln Christian
2/1 at Principia
2/3 at Westminster
2/6 Eureka
2/9 Greenville
2/10 Fontbonne
2/14 at Blackburn
2/17 Maryville

Will get a look at some of the returning players and new recruits in a couple of weeks. I'll let you know what I think.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 11, 2006, 12:53:58 am
Congrats, Hopefan!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 11, 2006, 02:25:53 pm
MacMurray loses about 40% of its points scored and about 40% of its rebounds per game. How does that compare to the other SLIAC schools? I heard an excellent coach say one  time you should always strive to have a program that starts seniors - every year. By doing this, you should be strong year in, year out. He also said that a program that relies too much on underclassmen will always be in trouble - and the analogy he used was how successful would a high school program be if it relied on underclassmen every year. Not sure if the point is valid or not. I would think that philosophy would work better with football than basketball, simply because more kids get to play. It would also help if you an active junior varsity program that allowed freshmen and sophomores to play 10-12 games every year.

With Compton, Hipshir, Kowa, Huff, and Roberson all coming back, MacMurray can put some kids on the floor who played a lot of minutes last season and who contributed quite a bit. Mix in the kids coming back after missing the second semester - Greene, Saunders, Birch, and Whalum - the Highlanders should be competitive. I think Kowa will be the key, along with how well the incoming point guard can play right out of the shoot. At 6'6", Kowa can play inside and outside - if he's motivated. I saw him really play well in some games last year (terrific against Millikin) - and in other games, he disappeared. Much of that had to do with DeNeve's "system," where kids would come in and out like they were chasing their tails. My sense is those days are over.

I think the other thing that will change is you will see some players who can play 94 feet playing more minutes, and players who can't contribute at both ends of the floor movig towards the end of the bench. From what I hear, the new coach is already emphasizing weight training and conditioning - and that should pay immedate dividends.

Would be nice to see Pat do a story on the new ManMurray coach........
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2006, 04:01:19 pm
Would be nice to see Pat do a story on the new ManMurray coach........

I looked the last time you hinted at it and MacMurray had nothing at all on its site for us to work with. If MacMurray had a press release the way other schools do then we would run it. But if MacMurray isn't promoting itself we will have a hard time promoting MacMurray.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 11, 2006, 04:49:21 pm
Thanks, Pat. I appreciate the follow-up. Not sure what the issues are with Mac's SID. I assume they have one, and that would be the shop where such information is generated. I know their new AD is doing a terrific job turning the entire athletic department around and making some very good things happen, particularly with facilities and fundraising. I thought that maybe you had some knowledge of Coach Heddinger's past coaching work at Olivet, and might use that as the angle. Didn't know you waited for a press release or information on the school's website.  Hopefully some information will be forthcoming on the new coach at MacMurray, as well as the new coach at Blackburn when that is announced. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2006, 04:53:32 pm
Well, first of all, there has to be some sort of reliable source for the information, not just a fan posting on a message board. I assume you mean they hired former Olivet coach Steve Hettinga, who resigned from there after the 2003-04 season, but even if that's the gey you're thinking of, I can't just go on your say-so.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 11, 2006, 06:02:44 pm
No problem. You can't run with every rumor or innuendo and publish it as fact. I understand that part of it. That being said, Hettinga will be the new coach.  When MacMurray does make an official announcement, I look forward to reading about the new coach and what he hopes to bring to Highlander Country.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 12, 2006, 02:20:17 am
You may have to be the one who lets me know when there's an official announcement to be seen. :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on July 17, 2006, 02:35:39 pm
A little Fontbonne news. It is official now, FU will play St. Louis U. next season in an exhibition game to open SLU's new on campus facility.

This years non - conf. schedule includes Hannibal - La Grange and possibly MSOE at Big Four Classic in Chicago., @Rose Hulman, Wash. U., Fisk, Concordia, U of Tampa.

Due to family reasons Ryan Kirkpatrick will not return to FU this school year. It looks like potential starters are Storandt, McCoy, Fogerty with freshmen Cartez Parker at point and Trevor White at the small forword.

On a non basketball news item. FU head softball coach John Conway has been hired by St. Louis U to resurect their program. Good Luck John.

Also FU mens Lacrosse team has 23 in coming freahmen from five states with a total of 29 players. FU will be the first NCAA sanctioned team in area.

Let's hear some news.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 17, 2006, 03:15:06 pm
Do you have a time/date/location for when Fisk will be playing Fontbonne?  Is it still part of a Thanksgiving weekend tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 17, 2006, 05:09:21 pm
I viewed Kirkpatrick as a crucial piece of the puzzle for Fontbonne - when the coaching staff could light the fire under him and if he got the ball in the offense, he had the potential to be the best returning big man in the conference along with Webster's big guy.  It's a tough loss - he was a part of the nucleus.  Is this just a one year or semester family problem (ie, going to a local 2 year school near home), or is he gone for good?

Also with the schedule  -  Tampa??   Is that a one game trip down south?  Good to see the SLIAC schedule tough games..
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 17, 2006, 05:36:12 pm
Losing Kirkpatrick is a stunner. Hope things work out for him.

Word on the street in Jacksonville is most of the returning Mac players met with the new coach last Saturday. From what the players are saying, Coach Hettinga is going to be terrific. No more run and gun. Execution on offense and tough, hard-nosed defense. After the coach left, there was an open gym. From a second-hand source, apparently the kids looked real good. Still need some size and another point guard. But MacMurray has definitely landed a top-notch coach and has a solid nucleus coming back. Congrats to the entire Mac program! First day of practice is October 15, I think. Can't wait. Hope the SLIAC really competes in 2006-2007, and takes a big step forward.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on July 17, 2006, 08:52:02 pm
I think the view of Kirkpatrick's loss is over stated. Hope we saw a game at BC when the kid just didn't show up. Ryan needs to get focused on school and basketball to help any team. It is tough on a kid from broken home.

Anybody that has seen FU in the summer league can tell that Fogerty can play inside in the SLIAC. Brian and Storandt both have worked really hard in the off season. Both will be joining four of the guards at "Hammer Body" starting Monday. This young team will be tough come conference time.

Yes Hope, one game trip to sunny Florida for the Holidays. The kids raise funds for their own trip and we'll take about 120 people for some sun, bball and enjoyment. Coach McKinney uses his Xmas trips as a reward for the kids. Look for a European Trip before this class graduates.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Getreal217 on July 18, 2006, 04:34:03 am
Word is MacMurray College has one recruit coming to campus this fall, what happened to all of the other recruits Macattack?  Did the departure of Denieve have an effect on all of these prospective studen/athletes?  Another question, all I read last year was how great of a system Denieve's was, now all I hear is how it was setting back all of these players?  Was it Denieve or was it the players that were'nt producing?  And from the games I saw last year, I didn't see much leadership or production from the seniors, except from Eberhart and the rarely played Cunningham.  Downham I feel was one of the most overated and overplayed players in the league.  Your play the saeniors theory, I believe backfired.  I know this is D3 and the loyalty card is always played, but for pete sake, I think Denieve played his seniors way too much, especially Boyer and his 26 percent shooting from the line.  Whatever happened to play your best players?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 18, 2006, 08:16:30 am
From what I understand, at least from some of the players, Mac has at least four kids coming in. Two of them supposedly were in the gym last Saturday. A nice point guard is included in the four who has enrolled and registered for classes. And I would expect Coach Hettinga to bring in a couple of kids. Look for the recruit list to be around 5-7 new players, in addition to who is coming back from last year's team.  I followed the board pretty closely last season and don't really remember too many people praising the "system." As a matter of fact, from at least most of the people who followed the team on a weekly basis, I think the general verdict was the "system" was turning into a disaster. The offensive philosophy changed about half way through the season and Mac pretty much went with eight kids a game down the stretch. Mac lost a lot of close games last season, but for a team that was undersized and ravaged by the loss of several players due to grades and injuries, did about as well as they could have been expected to do. Eberhart was a warrior who will be sorely missed.  And I thought Downham was terrific once the offensive philospohy changed and he started playing 20-plus minutes a night. He will also be missed.  I think the record speaks for itself, in terms of who produced last season and who didn't. There were a number of younger players who possibly could have contributed earlier last year, but again because of grades and injuries, it didn't happen. Bottom line is it doesn't really do any good to replow old ground. But from what I've heard, at least around the Jacksonville area, everyone is extremely excited about Coach Hettinga and Mac basketball. These things usually don't change overnight, but my sense is this will be a very different Highlander team than has been seen in the past.  Hopes are high and the future is bright.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Getreal217 on July 19, 2006, 03:29:19 am
I hope you are right about things changing.  But history has proven that there are not many  one year turnarounds.  I think Coach Hettinga must wait for the Junior class to depart and have about 2 of his own recruiting classes come in before he can truly put his stamp on the program.  I hope he can turnaround the program in one year it would be amazing, and a huge compliment to his coaching capabilities. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 19, 2006, 06:15:28 am
I don't think Mac is that far away. They lost a host of very close games last year and have a solid nucleus of players back, including seniors Kowa, Compton, and Huff - all three with experience and abiltiy who I believe will flurish under Coach Hettinga. Mix in Robertson, Hipshir, Whalum, Long, and Greene and I think you have a core group of players that can get the job done. Add four or five recruits who will grow into Hettinga's style of play and I think there's a chance this year's team could be .500 or better and contend for the play-offs. I don't think anyone is expecting a national championship this coming season, but a swing of 3-4 games would give the Highlanders something really exciting to build on down the road.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on July 19, 2006, 06:40:30 am
Wilburt the Fisk game is Nov. 27th at 7 pm at the Dunham Center on the campus of FU.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 19, 2006, 08:16:20 am
Just received a copy of Maryville's schedule - as usual, non conference is very strong - good experience for the largely inexperienced Saints - but as a logical question, wonder why the competition level wasn't cut back a tad this particular year with the loss of 5 senior starters??  Could be some early lumps..

Anyway  Transy and Hanover at the Sodexho, Milwaukee Engr (tough low scoring defensive team), NAIA Reinhardt (losing record last season, but as most NAIA teams, likely has some good scholarship athletes), Depauw, Wash U, and D2 UMSL.            ouch 

To add to my cocerns, neither of Maryville's two leading returners in the post are coming back - inside strength will have to come from new faces.  Is there another Bash out there looking for a good D3 program?????
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on July 19, 2006, 08:32:30 am
Hopefan what two players are not returning?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 19, 2006, 09:27:11 am
Matt Baker (back to Colorado)....   and you can guess the other one.....  an old buddy of yours.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 19, 2006, 09:53:48 am
Thanks FC News.   I may be in St. Louis to try and attend that game...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 24, 2006, 05:55:12 pm
Illinois College just posted its 2006-2007 schedule. It does not include a game with MacMurray. Two D3 schools within two miles of each other and they don't play each other. In the days of travel costs - not to mention what a great rivalry game it is - this is extremely disappointing for MacMurray players, parents, and local basketball fans. I was told last year that Illinois College was getting harder and harder for MacMurray to schedule. The reason, according to some close to both schools, was the fear of IC losing to MacMurray. MacMurray still has one game left to fill for its 2006-2007 season - but apparently it won't be IC. Not that Mac was a Top 20 team last year, but from what I saw of IC, they weren't any better. Probably would have been a very good game, a packed house, and a real highlight for both schools. Not now.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yjacklok on July 24, 2006, 10:41:36 pm
Reminds me of the 1980's when I lived in Lexington, Kentucky and UK refused to schedule Louisville for fear of eroding its "border to border" support in the state. Fortunately, that changed and a great instate rivalry now exists. Illinois College needs to lose it's fear of losing -- if that's the problem -- and give the good people of Jacksonville, IL a night to remember once a year.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on July 25, 2006, 12:20:47 pm
Ok it's almost August and back to school time. Let's start a little SLIAC chat. I'll be the first to toss out my 2 cents. This is what I see for the coming year based on summer play and board info.
1. Webster - Should not be to much discussion on this one right now. Experience, size and Spinner.

2. Westminister - I really like this teams make - up. Still need to show that this program can win it all.

3. FU - Yes, with mainly freshmen and sophs I look for this bunch to be exciting. Griffin's return conference leading scorer in McCoy and the leading rebounder in Storandt (who may be approaching 6'9). Add Fogerty who has put on 20+ in weight and about 4-6 inches on vertical. FU solved the pt. guard problem with Cartez Parker, anybody seen him in summer league knows he's a player. Frosh Trevor White will make a big splash in the SLIAC. Add Josh Branch, a true scorer and Chris Mosier (North County) who was told by coach Rogers when he visited MU, "You are the best jumper shooter I seen since coming here. Strong statement we'll wait and see.

4. MU - This is a tough one. Did not see much to look at during summer league. But, got to beleive Coach Rogers has some kind of a plan. If not, could be a tough season.

5 and 6 - BC and MC will have to wait to see what a coaching change does for these teams.

Greenville - With their track program you can always count on the Panthers having athletes.

Blast me or Agree, let's get some kind of discussion started.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 25, 2006, 03:23:28 pm
1. Webster. Has to be the favorite going in, considering the quality and quantity of players coming back.
2. Eureka. Showed it was more than ready for SLIAC competition last year. AJ Richard will be the Player of the Year.
3. Westminster. Getting a little better every year. Will have to win on the road to finish this high.
4. MacMurray. New game in town with Coach Hettinga. Returns eight players who contributed last year.
5. Blackburn. Plenty of talent coming back and hardly ever loses at home.
6. Fontbonne. Good crop of younger players coming back. Test will be how quickly they will mature.
7. Maryville. Reloading after massive loss of players. Well coached and always a threat.
8. Greenville. Always a wild card who can spring the upset, especially at home.
9. Principia. Will improve over last season's 2-22 mark, but still has a ways to go.
10. Lincoln Christian. Won three games last year and didn't have much success last year against SLIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on July 25, 2006, 10:28:08 pm
OK, I did forget our two newest members. I will move the unknown Saints down a spot to make room for Eureka. My opinion of LC is very similar to MacAttacks. I wouldn't be throwing out POY's quite this early.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on July 25, 2006, 10:35:01 pm
Sorry! After further review I can not put a 4-22 team above even an unproven Saints. Eureka will be a mid tier conference team this year,
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 26, 2006, 09:09:23 am
In anyone's book, 4-22 is a flat out awful season. It's kind of like the good news, bad news. Good news is everyone's back. Bad news is everyone's back. That being said about Eureka, let's take a closer look at how the Devils did against the SLIAC last season.

Westminster W 64-62
Webster        W 83-76
at Blackburn   L  91-63
at Greenville  W 84-74
at Westminster L 86-68
at Principia     W 72-39
at Webster     L  64-62

Based on the above, and with their two best players (Richard and Tim Peffer) coming back, Eureka looks to be very competitive in the SLIAC - but time will tell.

AJ Richard is a very good player. Stands 6'7", runs the floor well, can play inside and out, and is a terrific defender. From their website:

" Richard, a junior from Gibson City, Ill. (GCMS HS), was named to the 10-member All-Conference team. The 6'7'' pivot and history/secondary education major ranked in the top six in four important categories during league play. He was fourth in blocks (1.55 bpg), fifth in rebounds (7.7 rpg) and field goal percentage (50.7-percent), and sixth in scoring (15.5 ppg)."

"Peffer, a 6'2'' guard and criminal justice major, scored at least 11 points in all but one conference game and also posted three games of over 20 tallies. He ranked sixth in the league in scoring (15.5 ppg) and seventh in three-point field goal percentage (42.9-percent). Although he fell 12 attempts short of having enough to be ranked nationally, Peffer's 98.1-percent (52-53) from the free throw line would bested the top ranked Division III foul shooter."
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BB Fan on July 26, 2006, 05:15:56 pm
I am amazed that people spend  so much time critizing D3 players who play for the love of the game.

Calling out the individual players is really immature expecially since most of you haven't seen these guys play.  Not everyone can be a great scorer, rebounder, etc...

I know a great coach who had a stat/reward called the X factor for good hard working players who didn't have great stats but you wanted them on your team.  Great defense is definitely not a stat but very valuable.

I know this sounds like a lecture and thank goodness most of these fine young men don't read this.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on July 26, 2006, 05:46:52 pm
BBfan - I read back through the last few posts and I don't see where any player was criticized or called out. Was this posted on the right thread?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 26, 2006, 06:13:08 pm
We had a poster on this board about midway through last season who was way out of line, but I think he crawled back under his rock. Not too long ago, somebody alluded to a Mac player's free throw percentage being pretty bad and criticized the coach for being too loyal to his senior players, but I think was fairly mild (if not accurate). I'm with fcnews on this one. I don't think anyone on this board is guilty of calling out players.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 27, 2006, 12:44:35 pm
Bball fan  -  way off base for this chat room  -  those of us who post are the most faithful of an intimately small fan base that the SLIAC has -  we're either zealous homers (ie Mac Attack, FCNews), or guys who simply enjoy the level playing field (many competitive games) that this conference presents (hopefan, yjaklock).  None of the regular posters bash players for their skill or lack of it.  If anything, we promote the league. 

I had posted my predictions based on what was coming back from last season in April - I still am totally unfamiliar with new faces (I failed to make it to the summer league games) -  I'm not going to make any prediction attempts (including newcomers) at this point.  While I still remain a fan of Coach Rogers and his style of play, I may hit a larger variety of games this year given the bright outlooks at Fontbonne and Webster.  Wash U also has an outstanding recruiting class - they'll be fun to follow too.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 30, 2006, 03:36:48 pm
Geeeeeesh   the Cubbies sweep the Cardinals  - next thing we know, Prin and Lincoln  will sweep the SLIAC!!!!

Summer is going toooo slow with each Cardinal loss  --Will D3Hoops time ever arrive??????
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on July 30, 2006, 06:07:54 pm
I agree Hopefan - hey if your lookinf gor a team to follow I can probably hook you up with some purple wear.

A little non bball but definately SLIAC related news. FU has anounced the incoming freshmen class for this years NCAA d3 Lacrosse team. The first of it's kind in the midwest. FU will boast 22 freshmen from six states and 29 players total. This will bring a little bit of attention to the conference. FU will host Wittenburg at Soocer Park in October at the Midwest Showcase. The Griffin's will play on the newly installed sporturf at Gay Field.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on July 31, 2006, 04:26:03 pm
From the MacMurray College athletics website (interesting that the date of the release is July 12 - but it was only posted on the school's website today???):

For Immediate Release: - July 12, 2006 (Jacksonville, IL)

MacMurray College Announces Two New Head Coaches

MacMurray College announces that Steve Hettinga has been named the Menís Head Basketball Coach and Cindy Kemp the Head Womenís Swimming Coach for the Highlanders.


Hettinga, a native of Michigan, brings eight years of collegiate head coaching and one year of professional coaching experience with him to his new position. This past season, he was an assistant coach at nationally-ranked Lake Michigan Community College where the team placed 8th in the nation. Hettinga takes over a Highlander program that finished 5th (6-8) in the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference and 9-16 overall. In addition to his coaching duties, Hettinga will teach in the Education Department.


Kemp, a Jacksonville resident, has over twenty years of coaching experience in the sport at the club, high school and collegiate levels. During her career, she has produced four nationally-ranked swimmers at the club level and two collegiate All-Americans. Most recently, Kemp served as the head girlís varsity coach at Jacksonville High School while teaching at Meredosia Community High School.


ďWe are very pleased to have people the caliber of Cindy and Steve joining the MacMurray College Department of Intercollegiate Athletics familyĒ, said Kevin Haslam, MacMurray College Director of Athletics. Haslam continued, ďNot only are they great individuals, they both have great leadership skills, vision and they both understand the direction and vision of the Department of Athletics. These qualities, when coupled with their previous successes in coaching swimming and basketball, indicates a very bright future for MacMurray athletics.Ē


Hettinga and Kemp will assume their respective roles on August 1st.

 
   
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on August 04, 2006, 11:23:20 am
News from Blackburn up on their site :

Blackburn College has announced the hiring of Kirk Chandler as the new head menís basketball and head womenís tennis coach.

Chandler comes to Blackburn after spending twelve years as head menís basketball coach at Averett University in Danville, Va., where he led the Cougars to runner-up finishes in the Dixie Athletic Conference tournament in 2000 and 2001. He also earned Conference Coach of the Year honors in 2001 and developed many of his players into All-American, all-region, and all-conference performers.

While at Averett, Chandler was also known for his emphasis on academic achievement, as nearly every one of his players graduated or was on track to graduate during his time there.
In addition, Chandler served as assistant athletic director at Averett for five years and also served as head coach of the golf team. Prior to his time at Averett, Chandler served one-year stints as assistant menís basketball coach at Barton College and St. Andrews Presbyterian College, both in North Carolina, and spent two years as an assistant menís basketball coach at the University of North Carolina-Greensboro, an NCAA Division I program.

A 1981 graduate of Elon University in North Carolina with a B.S. in Physical Education, Chandler earned an M.S. in Health and Physical Education from North Carolina A& T in 1989.

Chandler replaces Dave Kaneshiro, who resigned after three years in the post. Kaneshiro led Blackburn to a SLIAC tournament title in menís basketball in 2005 and a share of the regular-season SLIAC title this season.

The Blackburn menís basketball program has won a SLIAC title in three of the last four seasons and has won a total of eight SLIAC championships in menís basketball, more than any league school.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on August 04, 2006, 11:51:25 am
OK  so Blackburn now has a coach - it's funny what a person can find out if he looks just a little....  I checked the Averett site to see how they've been doing- Great season last year winning the conference, but then I looked at the Coach's page - the current coach has been there two years already, winning thirteen games in 2004-05, and plus 20 in 2005-06.  Prior to that, (under Coach Chandler?), Averett was 0-25 in 03-04, and 2-23 in 2002-03.

This answered my question why Coach Chandler comes from Averett to Blackburn - he doesn't, because he wasn't coaching Averett the last two years - I wonder what he was doing?

This is not to get on Coach Chandler's case, because I think highly of the kids that have played for Blackburn the last couple years...  But the press release was a "bit" misleading.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on August 04, 2006, 12:31:58 pm
Just for the record - according to an article on D3 Hoops on May 24, 2004, Coach Chandler resigned his coaching position at Averett in March 2004. According to the article, Averett had lost 32 straight games at that point and 48 of their last 50. You never know what happened or why - but Coach Chandler had a record of achievement before tough times set in, and he clearly still has a passion to coach. I'm sure he will have Blackburn ready to go when the whistle blows. Welcome to the SLIAC, Coach Chandler, and best wishes to you and your team.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 04, 2006, 02:17:08 pm
Good research, guys. I have that release and those very additions to it on my to-do list for the day. :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 07, 2006, 12:18:19 pm
Chris bunch used to slap chandler around the south region, now he gets a chance to do it in the midwest region

Bunch is the man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 07, 2006, 11:41:42 pm
Glad there's a Chris Bunch fan out there. He's doing a fine job at Webster. But wasn't he an assistant coach while Chandler was a head coach?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on August 08, 2006, 07:58:51 pm
Had the chance to chat with Coach Mitchell ( WC ) at a golf tournament this past weekend. Matt was very excited about this coming season and made a good case for his teams chances. I have to admit that WC and WU are right now head and shoulders ahead on the preseason poll and all others are a distance third.

This is the SLIAC though and we all know how tough it is to win on the road in this league.

I would like to wish good luck to the two new coaches of the SLIAC. I think that BC has the best chance to succeed under a new head coach just because of the type of kids they attract. Hard working, hard nose, blue collar types.

A couple more weeks till school starts and we all should know what the different rosters will look like.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 08, 2006, 10:21:59 pm
yeah well, Lambert was operating in Bunch's shadow

Bunch my thoughts are with you in your time of need, if there is anything i can do let me know, you are a good guy
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on August 23, 2006, 08:40:30 am
Was reviewing the upcoming season schedules - it's eveidently much more difficult to make a league schedule that includes 10 teams than the 8 team schedule of years past.  Every week of the league season is played on different nights of the week-

Maryville's league schedule includes :
2 league games in December
January week 1   Saturday
January week 2  Tuesday, Friday, Saturday
January week 3  Thursday, Saturday
January week 4   Wednesday, Saturday
February week 1  Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday
February week 2  Friday, Saturday
Ferbruary week 3  Wednesday, Saturday
February week 4  Tuesday, 4 team conf tourney Friday Saturday!

Fans will have to keep their eyes on the schedule at all times or games will be missed!!!

I also note that in most cases, the men's teams get the early weekday evening games (6:00)  (good, leave work, a quick burger, and to the game), and the later (3:00) Saturday afternoon time slot. 

Opening night of league seaon, Dec 6, will tell us alot right off the bat  -  defending champ Maryville (who loses EVERYONE from last year) vs this season's odds on favorite, Webster.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 23, 2006, 12:46:56 pm
As usual, hopefan, an outstanding analysis! How's the comprehensive, nationwide D3 spreadsheet shaping up for 2006-07? Got those macros working?

Let's get together before fall slips away and the season starts.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on August 24, 2006, 08:23:02 am
I see where MacMurray has added an exhibition game at Western Illinois University on November 2. The Highlanders were one game short (Illinois College has apparently chosen not to play Mac this season) and I know Mac was looking for one more game. Does an exhibition game count as a regular season game - or is Mac still one game short?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 24, 2006, 09:43:46 am
I am almost 100% positive that an exhibition game does not count in the 25 regulars seaon games. From what I've seen, exhibition games are almost always played before the official start date of the regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on August 24, 2006, 11:19:14 am
y jack -  I think you're wrong on that  -  the scheduling up to D2 or D1 exhibition games do count as one of the 25 games, though they do NOT count in the win - loss record.   You can schedule a D1 team as a regular season game, which counts formally in both teams' records and stats, or as an exhibition game prior to the regular season, which counts as a 25th game to the D3 team, but not in their record, and does not count for anything for the D1 team.

For instance, Maryville played SLU last year as a 25th game - they only had 24 "regular season" games in their record and stats
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on August 24, 2006, 11:41:03 am
Very much correct Hopefan. FU is playing SLU next season and it's under the same guidelines that you have mentioned.

Got to observe an open gym run yesterday at FU. Salem's Trevor White will make a lot of Gorlock fans do a double take. He could really come close to passing as Brady Barke's twin. Same body as Brady's (as a freshmen), same type of game but maybe looks to post up alittle more then Barke did.

FU added some quality perimeter shooting in Zach Branch (GAC POY), Cartez Parker and Chris Mosier. It will be alot less teams keying on McCoy from behind the arc.

With Parker at point the ball will be in the hands of a someone who is extremely ( I mean really) quick, with good floor vision and was well coached in H.S. This was a problem the Griffin's had last year. No one to put the ball in the right guys hand.

I think people will be shocked to see the player Justin Storand is becoming. He has matured in size, interior positioning and moves, to go along with ball handling skills and a great mid range game. This kid uses the backboard from 10-12 feet better then anyone I seen in a while. And he's the SLIAC's version of Dennis Rodman, the kid loves to board.

With Fogerty, Storand, White the Griffin's have good hands around the paint. John Dressler can still give you ten minutes a game and at 6'10 he does alter shots and plays quality post defense.

OKAY I know this is probably more Griffin talk then you wanted to hear, but if we could get a thumbnail from each school it would be nice.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 24, 2006, 01:02:05 pm
Being wrong seems to stimulate more conversation than being right. But I'm not entirely wrong. The operative technicality is if a D3 team plays an exhibition game against a D2 or D1 team then the rule hopefan cites is correct. However, my D3 alma mater has played pre-season exhibition games a number of times against foreign teams touring the U.S. in recent years. In those seasons they still played a full 25 game D3 schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on August 24, 2006, 02:11:55 pm
That's a different story. You ae allowed two exhibition games and a foriegn all star team or a team of all stars like Team Rebok that plays some games around STL do not count agaunst a teams 25 games.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 24, 2006, 02:33:24 pm
Any idea what the rationale is for not counting pre-season games against foreign teams or "all-star" teams as part of the 25 game limit, but counting them if they are against D2 or D1 teams? And what about pre-season games against NAIA teams?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on August 24, 2006, 04:35:44 pm
It's pretty simple. NCAA D1, D2 or an NAIA teams are established programs and are recognized competition. Foriegn and AS's are not. It's like the big discussion last year when someone played and counted a game against Logan School of Chiropratic. Your allowed to play two exhibition scrimmages before the official start of competition date any game after that is counted. There are some excemptions for teams traveling out of country during season but that's a whole seperate animal.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 24, 2006, 04:42:50 pm
Thanks for the explanation.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on August 24, 2006, 04:53:14 pm
No problem Y - that's what this board is for.
Hopefan any updates on MU.
This years FU bench coaches will be a couple extra faces. Along with Coach McKinney and Thornhill. New baseball coach Ryan Good (Webster) and Grad Asst. John Thomas will join the crew.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on September 11, 2006, 09:58:52 am
I think it's about time the MacMurray College basketball website does the following:

1. Ditch the two-year old picture on the cover page.
2. Post a picture and background of the new coach(s) on the staff link.
3. Post the 2006-2007 schedule instead of last year's results.
4. Update the stats page.
5. Make MacMurray basketball gear available for order through the website.

This can't be that hard to do. Other SLIAC schools have up-to-date basketball websites. Grrrrr.......
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on September 12, 2006, 01:04:34 pm
The Griffin's schedule is out and they will play the following non - conference opponents. Hannibal-LaGrange@ Chicago, Fisk University, @Concordia-STL., @Rose Hulman, @Washington University, @University of Tampa. Alittle bit of road testing. All I can say about the conference schedule is there are no Sunday or Monday games. The rest of the week is being used through out the season. FU has Greenville ( away ) and Eureka ( home ) before the Xmas Break.

Hopefan - Any news out of MU this year yet?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on September 15, 2006, 11:25:15 am
FU has added Oakland City College as an exhibition game. The game will be played at Indiana. OCC was the runner up at the NCCAA tourney last year.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on September 15, 2006, 05:47:30 pm
Any news on recruits from any of the SLIAC schools - or players who didn't return? Mac has everyone back who was expected to be back, along with at least three new players on campus who figure to contribute and the return of a part-time starting point guard who left the team midway through last season. Early word is the players are very excited about Coach Hettinga and working hard on pre-season conditioning and open gyms. Mac will be on the small side again this season, but figure to be much more disciplined at both ends of the floor. Hettinga had zero time to recruit for this year's team. Next year will be a different story. Look for Mac to improve on its nine wins from last season. How many more will depend on how quickly the Highlanders adapt to Hettinga's style of play - and of course the competition. Midnight Madness is less than a month away!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on September 29, 2006, 10:51:21 pm
Not that anybody reads this. FU has their 06-07 roster posted. Seventeen incoming freshmen along with last years class of eight. FU does have a 16 game JV schedule this year. I beleive Ryan Good and John Thomas will be coaching it.

Sliac Fans if we don't start using this site Pat will probably find better things to do with this space!!! No offense Mac Attack
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on September 30, 2006, 09:49:10 am
No offense taken. I check the site once or twice a day, hoping for updates or input from other SLIAC posters. Can get pretty discouraging in the off season. 16 JV games is terrific! If a team has the numbers, coaches, and facilities, this is a great recruiting tool and an opportunity for the younger players to get experience at the college level. On the MAC front, there will be some new faces joining a core of eight returning players. Coach Hettinga has some good athletes with experience. Bad news is the Highlanders will be undersized again. Good news is this year's team will be much more disciplined at both ends of the floor, in much better shape, and will make much better use of its talent, regardless of class. Unless injuries or grades sidelines any of the top players, Mac should finish at .500 or better and be in the thick of the SLIAC race down the stretch.

In the "not to be overlooked" department, the Mac basketball website finally has information up on the new coach and the 2006-2007 schedule. This is a step forward. No mention of who the assistant coaches will be, but it appears that neither of last year's assistants are back. Now if we could just get rid of the two-year old picture on the basketball home page, get our new roster posted, and get our home AND road games broadcast, that would be really nice.

The MacMurray athletic department has built a new weight room, which is light years ahead of what they had, and they have a brand new training room that is really nice. They also have installed a new curtain in the gymnasium, as well as a new sound system that's first-rate. I understand the next step is new bleachers in the gym, and upgrading the locker rooms. The new AD has done tremendous things at Mac in a very short period of time. The Highlander family is lucky to have him.

Let's hear from the rest of the SLIAC!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 05, 2006, 01:18:59 pm
Don't worry, things will pick up in a few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on October 09, 2006, 06:23:31 pm
I am soooo pumped up for another great season of SLIAC basketball!
Go Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 09, 2006, 09:52:31 pm
Dynasty22: Any idea how good Blackburn will be this year? I know they lost their head coach and several of their better players. With Zak Allan and Zeb Hammond coming back, the Beavers have a solid foundation to build on. Who else is coming back and what are the expectations?

Midnight Madness this coming Sunday!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 10, 2006, 10:01:16 am
I see where Fontbonne has its 2006-2007 roster up. They list 27 total players, of which only five are either juniors (3) or seniors (2) - and 16 freshmen. I didn't realize that Fontbonne was that young. This should be a team that will be tough for the next few years, assuming some of the younger players can get it done.

I'd be interested to know how many of the SLIAC schools have "try outs" for their basketball teams - and how many just give uniforms to anyone who shows up. The former would be the way most NCAA D1 and D2 schools handle it - while many D3 schools use the "come one, come all" approach as an extension of their admissions department. I've seen D3 football teams dress out more than 100 kids, many who never play, but at least they get to warm-up - and later in life can tell their kids and grandkids they played college ball.

But if a D3 basketball program has the resources (coaches and money) to provide a junior varsity team, that's an excellent way to build a program. Some schools do this more extensively than others, again depending on the resources.

My guess is most D3 schools have some kids who are walking around their campus right now who were pretty good high school basketball players. But they were never recruited and just figure their playing days are over. Try-outs is certainly one way to tap into that unknown talent pool.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2006, 10:55:45 am
Any school that is relying upon walk-ons for anything other than promotional purposes is sunk. Yes, there have been walk-ons that actually amounted to something on the D3 level, but they are far and few between. Even if they play a prominent role in practices by being a member of the second team (i.e., the ninth or tenth man) they are almost always hindering the team. Any good college basketball coach worth his salary has at least a dozen (and more like fifteen as a better minimum) of his own recruits on the team at any given time. If there are unrecruited players on campus who show up for tryouts and are good enough to play any sort of useful role on the team, that's a surefire sign that the program has a serious talent shortage.

Most coaches will use the JV team as a catchbasin for walk-ons, giving the walk-on the satisfaction of wearing a uniform and getting playing time. Again, though, it's questionable how much better it'll make your recruited freshmen and sophomores who are playing junior varsity if the bulk of their JV teammates are walk-ons. There are different philosophies as to how to stock and run a JV program; heck, there are some D3 coaches who don't like JV teams at all, considering them a waste of the program's limited resources of time and money.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 10, 2006, 02:09:38 pm
Good Post Gregory. I agree whole heartedly.

Up till about 4 or 5 years ago almost every player that played at FC did his time on the the JV squad. Some longer then others. That trend was broken mostly by Steve King.

That was when the JV squad was a complete program. FU has returned to that kind of plan. JV will have it's own practice time and a pretty nice schedule. It's still questionable if The FU JV squad will play U of Tampa's JV over Xmas break.

As for as "Admission players", outside of your major D3 programs, these kids are part of doing business. In FU's case it's a number of two sport athlete's attracted by the addition of Lacrosse.

I think the JV program allows some kids to mature physically to be ready for the college play. They may have the shot, the handles and good "D", but need time to get bigger and stronger.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 10, 2006, 03:00:07 pm
Any school that is relying upon walk-ons for anything other than promotional purposes is sunk. Yes, there have been walk-ons that actually amounted to something on the D3 level, but they are far and few between. Even if they play a prominent role in practices by being a member of the second team (i.e., the ninth or tenth man) they are almost always hindering the team. Any good college basketball coach worth his salary has at least a dozen (and more like fifteen as a better minimum) of his own recruits on the team at any given time. If there are unrecruited players on campus who show up for tryouts and are good enough to play any sort of useful role on the team, that's a surefire sign that the program has a serious talent shortage.

Gregory although what you say is true for D3 today that was not always the case in D3.  Twenty years ago (when there were far fewer D3 schools) there were plenty of "walk-ons" for a number of collegiate sports and they were competitive with some regularity.  At least I could say so at Fisk because a handful of those "walk-ons" earned All-Conference honors in basketball and track and All-American honors in track during my time at Fisk as a student in the 1980s. 

Today I would have to agree with you that "recruiting" has become a mainstay of D3 athletics, but 20 years ago it was a slightly different story. My goodness today "recruiting" has come to high school and even some grade school teams. That was virtually unheard of 20 years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2006, 03:51:47 pm
Gregory although what you say is true for D3 today that was not always the case in D3.  Twenty years ago (when there were far fewer D3 schools) there were plenty of "walk-ons" for a number of collegiate sports and they were competitive with some regularity.  At least I could say so at Fisk because a handful of those "walk-ons" earned All-Conference honors in basketball and track and All-American honors in track during my time at Fisk as a student in the 1980s. 

Today I would have to agree with you that "recruiting" has become a mainstay of D3 athletics, but 20 years ago it was a slightly different story. My goodness today "recruiting" has come to high school and even some grade school teams. That was virtually unheard of 20 years ago.

That may have been true of the Fisk men's basketball team, Wilburt, but it has never been true of the programs in the top conferences like the CCIW, the OAC, and the WIAC. Those schools have always recruited their basketball talent. Always. And I daresay that this is true of every successful D3 program going all the way back to the inception of the division in 1974-75.

The so-called "minor sports"? That's another issue altogether. But every D3 men's basketball program that has been a national powerhouse (or even a reasonably outstanding regional program, especially in the northeast and midwest) over the past four decades has recruited all of its players.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2006, 08:48:23 pm
Greg,

Nice comments on JV teams and differing philosophies - seems spot on.

At the top schools, I suspect JV is more a way of getting playing time for freshman who would otherwise ride the pine due to an 'embarassment of riches' in the older classes.  Case in point: IWU's incredible senior class last year (who got them ranked unanimously #1 for a while, before underperfoming what we all hoped for).  Of the 8 then-freshmen, ONLY Adam Dauksas saw any significant varsity time -  he was already the best available PG.  (And that includes Keelan Amelianovich, CCIW POY as a sophomore and two-time first team All-American - I wonder if anyone else in any conference has ever gone from JV as a freshman to POY [MVP, whatever] as a sophomore?! ;D)  I remember that posters from other schools were in awe of that JV team (they went undefeated and untested) - my hunch is (based on later achievements) that that JV team, if they had been allowed as a second varsity team, might have finished 3rd or 4th in the conference!  AND THEY COULDN'T MAKE VARSITY!

Which also shows what a 'crap-shoot' the post season can be - how could the 2003 varsity NOT make it to Salem? :(
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 10, 2006, 10:53:48 pm
Illinois Wesleyan actually had a walk-on that was a huge part of the Titans success in 2004-05 and 2005-06.  Matt Arnold (Edgewood H.S., Bloomington, IN) was not recruited by former IWU head coach Scott Trost...Arnold basically recruited himself.  Showed up as a freshman and said he wanted to be part of the team.

The 5-11 "combo guard' played 23 minutes a game as a junior on a CCIW title team and 24/game last year on IWU's national 3rd place finisher.  Arnold hit the biggest basket in the win over then #1 and undefeated Lawrence and then had 19 the next night vs Puget Sound in the game sending IWU to Salem.

A nice story.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2006, 11:04:43 pm
Q,

I never knew that Matt was a walk-on. 

Inspiring story (and a zinger to Greg - though I suspect he is MAINLY correct)! 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 10, 2006, 11:06:42 pm
He is absolutely correct.  Just thought of another one though...

John Camardella (IWU '03)

As a senior John started all 27 games and averaged 13.2 ppg and 7.5 rpg on a CCIW title team.  He was voted IWU's MVP by his peers (on a team with All-American Luke Kasten).

John was a Division I volleyball prospect as a senior in high school.  He was hardly recruited for basketball (and not recruited by IWU), but he chose to attend IWU and try to play basketball.  When John showed up for practice his freshman year, he was told by then IWU head coach, "We're glad to have you, but you are #21 out of 21 right now."  By his sophomore season, John was playing 21 minutes/game on a Final Four team.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2006, 11:11:53 pm
Let's not boost Greg's ego TOO high - that only makes him ALMOST absolutely correct! ;) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 10, 2006, 11:13:42 pm
See above - I editted my post.  Thought of a second walk-on.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 10, 2006, 11:21:15 pm
Well, thought of a third...

1991 CCIW Most Outstanding Player David Caldwell (20.9 ppg, 8.3 reb, .633 FG%, .882 FT%).  Wasn't recruited to IWU to play basketball at all.  Showed up a 6-6 string bean who couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time...left a 6-10 CCIW stud.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2006, 11:23:57 pm
April's all-time favorite Titan was a walk-on - cool! ;D  [Actually, with that nasty 'practical joke' played on her a couple of years ago, can't recall if he is still a favorite or if he was an innocent bystander.]

I guess that means I should downgrade Greg from "ALMOST absolutely correct" to "usually correct"!  ;)

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 10, 2006, 11:29:02 pm
And a fourth...

Matt Hoder (IWU '98) - 16 minutes per game on the 1997 national championship team, and a starter in the national semifinal and national championship games.

http://www.sportsstats.com/jazzyj/past/97iwu.htm

A walk-on.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2006, 11:32:10 pm
Q,

If you keep going back in time and finding more examples, you're going to do two things:

1. Blow Greg out of the water (but also me, since I already agreed with him)! ;D

2. And bore the hell out of the SLIAC posters (but since they don't seem to be using the board at the moment, I guess we can). ;)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 11, 2006, 07:25:19 am
Gregory although what you say is true for D3 today that was not always the case in D3.  Twenty years ago (when there were far fewer D3 schools) there were plenty of "walk-ons" for a number of collegiate sports and they were competitive with some regularity.  At least I could say so at Fisk because a handful of those "walk-ons" earned All-Conference honors in basketball and track and All-American honors in track during my time at Fisk as a student in the 1980s. 

Today I would have to agree with you that "recruiting" has become a mainstay of D3 athletics, but 20 years ago it was a slightly different story. My goodness today "recruiting" has come to high school and even some grade school teams. That was virtually unheard of 20 years ago.

That may have been true of the Fisk men's basketball team, Wilburt, but it has never been true of the programs in the top conferences like the CCIW, the OAC, and the WIAC. Those schools have always recruited their basketball talent. Always. And I daresay that this is true of every successful D3 program going all the way back to the inception of the division in 1974-75.

The so-called "minor sports"? That's another issue altogether. But every D3 men's basketball program that has been a national powerhouse (or even a reasonably outstanding regional program, especially in the northeast and midwest) over the past four decades has recruited all of its players.

1. I was talking about men's and women's basketball at Fisk as well as the Men's and Women's Track team at Fisk in the 1980s.

2.  Now you changed the discussion from D3 walk-ons to making a significant individual contribution as a walk-on versus "developing a quality basketball program."  Your point is well taken that to develop a quality program one needs to recruit all of its players, but by the same token there have been numerous examples over the years of "walk-ons" making significant contributions to a D3 program. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 11, 2006, 08:09:32 am
While I can't argue that SLIAC basketball teams are national title threats year in and year out, I think the case can be made that many of the SLIAC programs depend on a certain number of walk-ons to fill out their roster and/or help the numbers on the junior varsity. No, this isn't the way to build a top-notch program, but so many of these schools - MacMurray included - haven't had the resources, the support from the AD, or a coach who was committed to beating the bushes for talent. And of course there is the issue of the admission's office using a uniform as a way to increase enrollment. A coach told me one time that his orders were to recruit ten players every year - two who could "play" and eight who could "pay." My sense is there's a lot of that going on at the D3 level - probably not at the elite level - but much more so at the mid-level and lower. MacMurray took a real hit when its previous coach, who wasn't the most aggressive recruiter in the first place, decided to move on early last summer. By the time the new coach was hired, the recruiting season was over. So a bad situation got worse. Maybe this happened at Blackburn too - don't know. I do believe that our new coach is much, much more committed to recruiting quality kids and quality players, and that this approach will start to pay dividends two or three years from now. Just takes time, effort, and support from the administration. Until then, the Highlanders will rely on a core of about eight players or nine who contributed last year - which is about the number most coaches use in their game rotation anyway. Walk ons will be needed to help in practice and the JV games. Not the formula for a league championship, but anyone who watched MacMurray play last year - especially down the stretch - knows how competitive these kids are. Add our new coach's fresh approach and personality into the mix and I think fans will see a definite improvement, with better days ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 11, 2006, 09:04:41 am
Greg 1974-75 ?? FU's 1st men's team did not appear until '89-90.

That's the main difference in alot of D3 conferences. Some are very young programs and others have been around since the early 1900's. CCIW is a very good example of an older established conference filled with programs with rich traditions.

Others are trying to still get their feet wet !

Also feel free to use this as a CCIW overflow area. It's not being used for much else these days.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2006, 09:36:52 am
Greg,

Nice comments on JV teams and differing philosophies - seems spot on.

At the top schools, I suspect JV is more a way of getting playing time for freshman who would otherwise ride the pine due to an 'embarassment of riches' in the older classes.

This is often the case. But it's not the only successful philosophy extant in D3 with regard to junior varsity squads. There are plenty of programs where the best players always get to play varsity, no matter what their experience levels happen to be. The JV team thus tends to be more of the "catchbasin" variety that I described earlier. This scenario was the preferred method of both Dan McCarrell and Bosko Djurickovic at North Park, and it's still the way Bosko operates at Carthage (although he will use the JV team for developmental purposes for unschooled big men; he did that at North Park with Dan Mulkerin and he did it at Carthage with Mike Hart).

I wonder if anyone else in any conference has ever gone from JV as a freshman to POY [MVP, whatever] as a sophomore?! ;D)

I'll go you one better, Chuck. I'll name a CCIW player who went from playing on the JV team as a freshman to winning MOP awards as a sophomore, junior, and senior: Michael Harper.

Q,

If you keep going back in time and finding more examples, you're going to do two things:

1. Blow Greg out of the water (but also me, since I already agreed with him)! ;D

2. And bore the hell out of the SLIAC posters (but since they don't seem to be using the board at the moment, I guess we can). ;)

C'mon, Chuck. Read what I said, willya? I said that walk-ons that amount to something are few and far between. Nothing Bob has said changes that; in fact, I already knew about three of his counter-examples (I didn't realize that Hoder was a walk-on as well). I can also name walk-ons who managed to contribute for NPU, North Central, Carthage, Augustana, Elmhurst, and Wheaton ... in other words, every program in the league but Millikin. CCIW Chat's own Rob Berki was a walk-on; he came to NPU because his best friend from high school was a student there. Nobody else, including the coaches, knew him from Adam. He went on to become the CCIW's top three-point shooter and an All-CCIW second-teamer as a senior. If we had WIAC or OAC people reading this room, they'd be able to name some exceptions as well.

Hence, the words "few and far between". Exceptional walk-ons that can contribute to a top-level D3 team, or a team in a top-level D3 league, are rare enough to be statistically insignificant in terms of overall roster construction over time. I chose my words very carefully, and nothing that has been said by Bob or anyone else contradicts them.

1. I was talking about men's and women's basketball at Fisk as well as the Men's and Women's Track team at Fisk in the 1980s.

Yes, but you extrapolated a general conclusion about D3 sports in your post #866 yesterday based upon Fisk in the 1980s. If you're going to draw overarching conclusions about D3 based upon one school, you can be rebutted without actually using that school as the counter-example.

2.  Now you changed the discussion from D3 walk-ons to making a significant individual contribution as a walk-on versus "developing a quality basketball program."  Your point is well taken that to develop a quality program one needs to recruit all of its players, but by the same token there have been numerous examples over the years of "walk-ons" making significant contributions to a D3 program. 

No, it's the same discussion. It's two different ways of saying the same thing. If your walk-ons are making significant individual contributions to your team on a regular basis, your team is not going to be a top-notch one by D3 standards. And, as I said above, of course there are exceptions to the "walk-ons are substandard" rule of thumb. Again, that's why I very carefully chose the words "few and far between" to describe walk-ons in D3 men's basketball that amount to something.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2006, 09:55:48 am
Greg 1974-75 ?? FU's 1st men's team did not appear until '89-90.

I know, but Wilburt pulled out Mr. Peabody's WABAC machine to go back to the 1980s, so I had to follow suit.  ;)

Also feel free to use this as a CCIW overflow area. It's not being used for much else these days.

Heh. Sorry about that. Fortunately, Mac Attack is doing a good job of keeping this discussion grounded in the SLIAC.

While I can't argue that SLIAC basketball teams are national title threats year in and year out, I think the case can be made that many of the SLIAC programs depend on a certain number of walk-ons to fill out their roster and/or help the numbers on the junior varsity. No, this isn't the way to build a top-notch program, but so many of these schools - MacMurray included - haven't had the resources, the support from the AD, or a coach who was committed to beating the bushes for talent.

Schools from the major conferences use walk-ons to fill out their rosters as well. There are lots and lots of D3 schools that don't recruit enough players to fully stock a varsity and a junior varsity, and many of them thus use walk-ons as warm bodies for practices and JV games. The SLIAC programs aren't alone in this. I'm not sure that it's a matter of resources -- even a coach who has no full-time assistants and who can only make cursory contact with local high-school players ought to be able to have at least a dozen of his own recruits on the roster. After all, some recruits require more work to reel them in than others.

And of course there is the issue of the admission's office using a uniform as a way to increase enrollment. A coach told me one time that his orders were to recruit ten players every year - two who could "play" and eight who could "pay." My sense is there's a lot of that going on at the D3 level - probably not at the elite level - but much more so at the mid-level and lower.

This might be a significant difference between SLIAC programs and programs at higher levels of D3. I don't think you'll find basketball coaches at the top-tier leagues recruiting just to fill out their rosters for admissions purposes. That does happen in football in the top conferences, because football is a numerically significant sport in admissions terms, especially in light of the current shortage of males in American colleges and universities. I know of one CCIW head football coach who was given an explicit mandate by his school's president to have 150 players show up for summer camp (and, no, this is not North Park I'm talking about). But basketball doesn't have anywhere close to a roster of that size, so recruited basketball players at the upper levels of D3 tend to be there because their coaches want to make use of their basketball skills, not so much because the school needs the tuition money.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 11, 2006, 11:48:14 am
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1. I was talking about men's and women's basketball at Fisk as well as the Men's and Women's Track team at Fisk in the 1980s.

Yes, but you extrapolated a general conclusion about D3 sports in your post #866 yesterday based upon Fisk in the 1980s. If you're going to draw overarching conclusions about D3 based upon one school, you can be rebutted without actually using that school as the counter-example.

2.  Now you changed the discussion from D3 walk-ons to making a significant individual contribution as a walk-on versus "developing a quality basketball program."  Your point is well taken that to develop a quality program one needs to recruit all of its players, but by the same token there have been numerous examples over the years of "walk-ons" making significant contributions to a D3 program. 

No, it's the same discussion. It's two different ways of saying the same thing. If your walk-ons are making significant individual contributions to your team on a regular basis, your team is not going to be a top-notch one by D3 standards. And, as I said above, of course there are exceptions to the "walk-ons are substandard" rule of thumb. Again, that's why I very carefully chose the words "few and far between" to describe walk-ons in D3 men's basketball that amount to something.

1. You need to re-read my post 866 Greg. I actually agree with you, but I did not intend to make overreaching conclusions about D3 based on one school.  However, you did.   I intended to just point out my observations about D3 between now and 20 years ago when D3 was a much smaller Division rather than proffer them as conclusive statistical data from which to be extrapolated from.

But fundamentally I agree with you, but maybe you lost that point when you entered Mr. Peabody's Time Machine.  Anything else you lost ;)?

2. Generally, when one mentions "two different ways" they are usually talking about "two different things." Hence the word two -> one + one. I think in actuality you attempted to use one point (excuse me "way") to buttress another point (way) you were making or describing.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2006, 01:20:27 pm
1. You need to re-read my post 866 Greg. I actually agree with you, but I did not intend to make overreaching conclusions about D3 based on one school.  However, you did.   I intended to just point out my observations about D3 between now and 20 years ago when D3 was a much smaller Division rather than proffer them as conclusive statistical data from which to be extrapolated from.

I'll not only reread it, I'll quote it -- with my emphases in bold:

"Gregory, although what you say is true today for D3 that was not always the case in D3."

"Twenty years ago (when there were far fewer D3 schools) there were plenty of walk-ons for a number of collegiate sports and they were competitive with some regularity."

"Today I would have to agree with you that D3 'recruiting' has become a mainstay of D3 athletics, but 20 years ago it was a slightly different story."


I don't see how anyone can draw the conclusion that you weren't making definitive statements about D3 as a whole, albeit the D3 of twenty years ago. Yes, you were offering them as observations, but you weren't offering them as opinions. You were, in fact, offering them as general conclusions; there aren't any conditionals in those statements, and the references aren't made any less specific than D3 as a whole. And my rejoinder is that I was following D3 men's basketball pretty avidly twenty years ago, and the overwhelming majority of the players I saw in the CCIW and the other top leagues were recruited.

But fundamentally I agree with you, but maybe you lost that point when you entered Mr. Peabody's Time Machine.  Anything else you lost ;)?

I'm always careful to police the area whenever I time-travel. The butterfly effect can be a real bummer.  ;)

2. Generally, when one mentions "two different ways" they are usually talking about "two different things." Hence the word two -> one + one. I think in actuality you attempted to use one point (excuse me "way") to buttress another point (way) you were making or describing.

No. Two different approaches to discussing the same subject. That was what I meant by the use of the word "way". I'm not sure how you've derived that semantic generalization about the word "way".
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 11, 2006, 01:32:08 pm
Okay now we are playing semantical games here.  What you took and what I intended are two different things.  You think that may be a possibility?

QUOTE from Greg
"No. Two different approaches to discussing the same subject. That was what I meant by the use of the word "way". I'm not sure how you've derived that semantic generalization about the word "way"."

It's still "two" by my count. However you want to characterize it be it - way, approach or point, you used one of them to support your argument on the other of them as I read it.  I don't see how anyone can draw the conclusion that you weren't talking about two different things here. But then again you might not have intended it that way (sound familiar)!

I see you like to argue for the sake of arguing...

I think I'm going back to the time machine :D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2006, 02:13:31 pm
Okay now we are playing semantical games here.  What you took and what I intended are two different things.  You think that may be a possibility?

A distinct one!

I see you like to argue for the sake of arguing...

Nah, it's just a slow day here at work.

I think I'm going back to the time machine :D

Try to avoid the Morlocks.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 11, 2006, 02:25:11 pm
You are too funny Greg.  I must say that you have been a good sport about this :) 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 11, 2006, 11:33:50 pm
I've been trying to read all this dense talk about walk-ons, but it got to be too much so I just skipped ahead to tell another story. A player who attened D3 UC-Santa Cruz (the Banana Slugs) as a freshman and sophomore transferred to Fordham University in New York (Bronx) a D1 team that plays in the Atlantic 10. He walked on there as a junior, made the team, but didn't play much. Last year, as a senior, his playing time increased and he even started nine games. His name is Nicholas Vita and you can go to Fordham.edu, find their athletics website and look up last year's stats for verification.

There are lots of walk-on stories. Dane Looker, who plays wide receiver for the Saint Louis Rams was a walk on at the University of Washington. There's a major league pitcher (can't remember his name now) who walked on at USC and became their winningest pitcher ever.

I'm sure this could go on forever.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 12, 2006, 12:17:55 am
Any school that is relying upon walk-ons for anything other than promotional purposes is sunk. Yes, there have been walk-ons that actually amounted to something on the D3 level, but they are far and few between. Even if they play a prominent role in practices by being a member of the second team (i.e., the ninth or tenth man) they are almost always hindering the team. Any good college basketball coach worth his salary has at least a dozen (and more like fifteen as a better minimum) of his own recruits on the team at any given time. If there are unrecruited players on campus who show up for tryouts and are good enough to play any sort of useful role on the team, that's a surefire sign that the program has a serious talent shortage.

Most coaches will use the JV team as a catchbasin for walk-ons, giving the walk-on the satisfaction of wearing a uniform and getting playing time. Again, though, it's questionable how much better it'll make your recruited freshmen and sophomores who are playing junior varsity if the bulk of their JV teammates are walk-ons. There are different philosophies as to how to stock and run a JV program; heck, there are some D3 coaches who don't like JV teams at all, considering them a waste of the program's limited resources of time and money.

I did read what you said: "far and few between"! ;D

Actually, I knew what you meant, but as Q kept accumulating examples, it didn't seem quite as unusual as you implied.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 12, 2006, 10:25:15 am
Meanwhile, back to SLIAC basketball......

Practice is scheduled to start this Sunday, I believe. What's the latest from around the conference? Any surprises, in terms of who is back and who isn't? Early thoughts on strengths and weaknesses?

MacMurray looks to have a core group of eight players who contributed last year: Whalum, Hipsher, Compton, Kowa, Huff, Robertson, Greene, and Long. Whalum left the team midway through the season last year, but is back and should be the starting PG. Good kid with great quickness. Greene and Long were sidelined by grades halfway through last season, but both are back and should contribute at both ends of the floor. Long is the team's best long-range shooter and Greene is probably the team's best defender and one of their best rebounders. Kowa, Huff, Compton and Hipsher (all multi-year lettermen) are solid inside and out and will collectively play a lot of minutes. Kowa's success will be a key, if not THE key, to the Highlander's season. Wiith his height and ability, Kowa can be a real difference maker. Robertson was an impact player last year and had several real nice games. Struggles with his shot, but is a tremendous jumper and plays light's out when he's on the floor.

Others to be counted on will be PG Adonis Fuller, SF Lance Wallace, SG Jim Michels, and several newcomers who will push the returning players. Most interesting in the pack of new players is a new point guard who may be a real nice surprise and an out-of-state player who some say will have an immediate impact. Names and more background to follow. Those not coming back include Craig Workman, Evan Birch, and Nick Schmidt, all of whom played little in 2005-2006.

More information on Mac next week, but at first blush it would appear the Highlanders have the personnel to plug into the holes left by graduation - with the possible exception of All Conference performer Ryan Eberhart. Eberhart was a warrior in the post on defense and was the unquestioned team leader. His shoes will be difficult to fill, but Kowa seems like the logical replacement.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Mac will be above .500 in 2006-2007 and be in the SLIAC play-off hunt going in to the last week of the season. Write it down.

Anyone else want to jump in with a pre-season look????
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 12, 2006, 07:07:04 pm
Once again we've been educated, frustrated and had our vocabulary expanded by the Dean of the D3Hoops. Oh yea, and reminded that we here in the SLIAC should just be happy to be here.

It must be Bball Season !!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 12, 2006, 07:09:48 pm
Wilburt - Hope to see you at the FU - Fisk game. If you need any info, directions or just about anything to make your trip easier, feel free to holler.

We look forword to having you!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on October 13, 2006, 07:14:33 am
Thanks fcnews but I don't think I will be able to make it.  I plan on going to Fisk's first two games this season in Nashville.  My work schedule won't allow me (at this time) to go to the "Lou" for the two games with Fontbonne and Webster. 

Funny sound to it FU vs. FU.

Little scouting report from Fisk.  We will be down this season.  I expect only a .500 record at best.  Be gentle with us!   
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 13, 2006, 08:21:23 am
Once again we've been educated, frustrated and had our vocabulary expanded by the Dean of the D3Hoops. Oh yea, and reminded that we here in the SLIAC should just be happy to be here.

C'mon, man. You know that I'm rooting for you guys to make headway on this level. I've said so before, and I meant it. I don't want it to be at the expense of the CCIW, of course, but if you SLIACers were to start beating Wash U and/or the HCAC boys with regularity you would receive long, sustained applause from yours truly.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: centilbball on October 13, 2006, 02:20:07 pm
What does eureka bring to the conference?  Who do they have playing this year??? I heard they dont have much returning or newbies. Whats up with this.  Is it the coach???? or what else. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 16, 2006, 04:51:04 pm
From my post last July 26:

In anyone's book, 4-22 is a flat out awful season. It's kind of like the good news, bad news. Good news is everyone's back. Bad news is everyone's back. That being said about Eureka, let's take a closer look at how the Devils did against the SLIAC last season.

Westminster W 64-62
Webster        W 83-76
at Blackburn   L  91-63
at Greenville  W 84-74
at Westminster L 86-68
at Principia     W 72-39
at Webster     L  64-62

Based on the above, and with their two best players (AJ Richard and Tim Peffer) coming back, Eureka looks to be very competitive in the SLIAC - but time will tell.

AJ Richard is a very good player. Stands 6'7", runs the floor well, can play inside and out, and is a terrific defender. From their website:

" Richard, a junior from Gibson City, Ill. (GCMS HS), was named to the 10-member All-Conference team. The 6'7'' pivot and history/secondary education major ranked in the top six in four important categories during league play. He was fourth in blocks (1.55 bpg), fifth in rebounds (7.7 rpg) and field goal percentage (50.7-percent), and sixth in scoring (15.5 ppg)."

"Peffer, a 6'2'' guard and criminal justice major, scored at least 11 points in all but one conference game and also posted three games of over 20 tallies. He ranked sixth in the league in scoring (15.5 ppg) and seventh in three-point field goal percentage (42.9-percent). Although he fell 12 attempts short of having enough to be ranked nationally, Peffer's 98.1-percent (52-53) from the free throw line would bested the top ranked Division III foul shooter."
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on October 17, 2006, 08:36:47 pm
Blackburn should have another good year of basketball. With the hiring of new men's coach Kirk Chandler, it will take some time for the chemistry to get goin.
Key returners this year are Zak Allen, Zeb Hammond, and also Bryan Waters.
This year Blackburn will look for contributions from Ryan Smith and Grant Lamsargis who were also apart of last years squad.  Frazier Simmons and Leotis Howard have also been a duo working hard on their game to seek playing time this year.
Their are also some new good players this year that should help BC on their road to a successful season, Thomas Baro, Brandon Bundren, and Anthony Thebeau.
The season is just around the corner and I can't wait for it to begin!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 18, 2006, 10:47:12 am
Fontbonne will hold the distinction of having the oldest freshmen in the SLIAC. 6'6 Terrannce Lovett from University City H.S., turned 31 just days before practice started. He's older than asst. coach John Thomas.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 20, 2006, 06:38:20 pm
Early news from Mac land is the Highlanders are extremely pleased with a juco transfer who will start at the point guard position.  This was a glaring need for this year's squad, and apparently they have filled it with a high quality player. Very good news. Highlanders also have Adam Poulson, a first-team All Area player from Armstrong-Potomac, who is a light's out shooter. Good recruit. There are two or three other newcomers as well who are looking good. And it looks like there may be two or three football players join the team after football season. Don't forget that MacMurray's best player last year, Ryan Eberhart, played football. From what I hear, a couple of these kids are very good athletes. MacMurray will mix in the players mentioned above with a solid core of eight returning players. Exhibition game at Western Illinois on November 2, with Millikin coming to town on November 18. I think good things are going to happen in Jacksonville this year. Can't wait to get started.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 22, 2006, 04:57:52 pm
A question for fcnews. I have been trying to locate Fontbonne's complete men's and women's schedules. You said in an earlier post that the men's schedule is out, and cited some of the games. However, the schedule does not seem to be posted on the Fontbonne website -- unless I just don't know how to navigate your new site, which is quite nice looking. Can you  help me out? There is only a partial schedule on d3hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on October 23, 2006, 05:58:09 pm
I would just like to notify all the SLIAC Posters out there at PantherPride is back at it.  I took a job at the College so I will be with you for another year.  Preview of Men & Women here at Greenville is okay.  Women:  Strong and older squad back from last year.  Added two decent players in Ciara Williams (Juco Transfer) and Hilary King (1,000 pt scorer.)  On the mens side, Greenville standout Steven Groves will join the squad along with LaPhanzo Ellis and Todd West.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 23, 2006, 09:49:26 pm
Glad to have you on board, pantherpride06! Always good to hear from Panther fans. Looking forward to reading your posts and following Greenville throughout the 2006-2007.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 24, 2006, 03:43:56 pm
Pride what's up? Glad to have ya back. The FU website is going through a developtmental stage going live. Scheds should be up first of the week.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on October 24, 2006, 06:30:13 pm
The start of the season is right around the corner and I can't wait!
Unfortunately their will be no more crazies this year at Blackburn College....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on October 25, 2006, 09:40:00 am
pantherpride  -  great to have you back - hope you will continue to do the fine job as in the past  in keeping us informed of the game results over in G-ville  ...  per my writings of last April, Greenville needs a LaPhonso Ellis on the boards to go with all those good perimeter players they have  -  dang, I though LaPhonso graduated from Notre Dame a LONG time ago!!!

Dynasty22  -  what do you mean no more crazies at Blackburn?   You guys were the SLIAC's best fans by far, and I know enjoyed by ALL fans - hope it wasn't an administrative edict - if so, you will receive my personal support on these pages....

Maryville scrimmages Harris Stowe this Monday - I'm going to try to see it - unfortunately I have conflicts the first two weekends of the regular season, so will see little regular season hoops until December.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 25, 2006, 11:57:39 am
FC scrimmaged Concordia last nite. FC won all three halfs, as they better, pretty easily. Those players that really stood out were all freshmen. Was very impressed with Trevor White ( Salem, MO. ) he brings alot to the table and is a very poised young man. There was a reason why Josh Branch was POY last year, over Coach Soderberg's son, this kid can flat score. Cartez Parker (Laffayette) did a good job at the point and is very quick. Three players had classes that I wanted to see MCCoy, Fogerty and Almany.

This is still a very very young team. It will need the non - conference to mature before the beef of the schedule begins.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on October 25, 2006, 02:28:04 pm
Hopefan - Nope, when away teams come to the Beaver Dome they will no longer have to fear the crazies.....but instead they will now have to fear THE DAM...

BC has now come out with THE DAM this year which will be better then ever. Everyone is always anticipating the start of the season and THE DAM will will be in full affect.

Hopefan, look forward to meetin up with you again this year!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on October 26, 2006, 04:20:51 pm
LaPhanzo Ellis's son, named LaPhanzo, is playing for us this year.  Very Ironic hopefan that you said that! :)  Yes, I wll do what I can to keep you updated on Greenville action.  Greenville travels to the Greenville Prison in a few weeks to battle with them.  Ill give you an update, even though I wont be with them this year at the Prison!

PantherPride
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2006, 01:35:50 am
LaPhanzo Ellis's son, named LaPhanzo, is playing for us this year.  Very Ironic hopefan that you said that! :)  Yes, I wll do what I can to keep you updated on Greenville action.  Greenville travels to the Greenville Prison in a few weeks to battle with them.  Ill give you an update, even though I wont be with them this year at the Prison!

PantherPride

If it's the former NBA player from East St. Louis Lincoln via Notre Dame that you're talking about, his name is LaPhonso Ellis, not "LaPhanzo". Of course, for all I know his son might be called "LaPhanzo".
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on October 29, 2006, 01:24:59 am
LaPhanso or LaPhanzo... either way.  Yes, it's his son.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 30, 2006, 02:33:13 am
LaPhanso or LaPhanzo... either way.  Yes, it's his son.

Heh. It's not either way that you think!  :D It's LaPhonso, with an 'o' instead of an 'a' in the middle, and an 's' instead of a 'z'!

Hey, announcers need to know this stuff!  ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 30, 2006, 06:07:31 am
MacMurray plays at  Western Illinois Thursday night. Anyone else in the SLIAC scheduled to play this week? Looking forward to reports on how the teams played, perceived strengths and weaknesses, surprises, and predictions. Mac has been bitten a little bit by the injury bug with two or three key players being slowed by ankle and hamstring issues, but they should be ready to go Thursday night.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 30, 2006, 02:02:31 pm
If my memory is correct, don't the SLIAC coaches meet before the season begins and vote on how they think the conference teams will finish, pre-season player's to watch, etc. Seems like they've done this in the past - right or wrong?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2006, 02:42:57 pm
LaPhanso or LaPhanzo... either way.  Yes, it's his son.

Heh. It's not either way that you think!  :D It's LaPhonso, with an 'o' instead of an 'a' in the middle, and an 's' instead of a 'z'!

Hey, announcers need to know this stuff!  ;) :D

Not as long as, regardless of spelling, the pronunciation is the same! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on October 30, 2006, 10:10:24 pm
Maryville scrimmaged Harris Stowe tonight - MU got blown out in the first 20 minute session, but came back to "win" the 2nd and 3rd sessions, each by 6 points.  Harris Stowe, playing mostly a playground one on one game, was so unlike anyone that Maryville will play in the regular season that commenting  on individual performance is meaningless.  The starting group of returning players played poorly, but looked much better when Teddy  McGrath and Marcus Van H joined them in the 2nd session.  Two or three newcomers played with excitement and made positive contributions in the 2nd and 3rd sessions.  There were a large number of frosh dressed - certainly many of them will start out as JVrs.
 As most scrimmages are, this was ugly, but it gave the kids a feel for the effort needed to play in Coach Roger's push it up the floor offense.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 31, 2006, 02:23:08 am
LaPhanso or LaPhanzo... either way.  Yes, it's his son.

Heh. It's not either way that you think!  :D It's LaPhonso, with an 'o' instead of an 'a' in the middle, and an 's' instead of a 'z'!

Hey, announcers need to know this stuff!  ;) :D

Not as long as, regardless of spelling, the pronunciation is the same! ;)

Shhh, Chuck, you're not helping. What happens if LaPhonso Ellis is sensitive about how his name is spelled, and he gets wind of the fact that Greenville people are spelling it incorrectly?  No big donation to Greenville next year! ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 31, 2006, 09:41:35 am
Ok, the Ellis horse is "DEAD". Let's quit beating it.

Thanks for that post Hopefan. It's nice to see a bball related post.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on October 31, 2006, 06:28:20 pm
Here's some food for thought. What is everyones pre-season rankings of the SLIAC teams and where you pick them to finish? Curious to see what everyone thinks.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on October 31, 2006, 08:32:52 pm
While being a huge MacMurray fan, I'm also very realistic and painfully honest when analyzing the Highlanders, as well as the rest of the SLIAC. I'll know more after Thursday night's game at WIU, but for now, I'm sticking with my thoughts from last July:

1. Webster. Has to be the favorite going in, considering the quality and quantity of players coming back.
2. Eureka. Showed it was more than ready for SLIAC competition last year. AJ Richard will be the Player of the Year.
3. Westminster. Getting a little better every year. Will have to win on the road to finish this high.
4. MacMurray. New game in town with Coach Hettinga. Returns eight players who contributed last year.
5. Blackburn. Plenty of talent coming back and hardly ever loses at home.
6. Fontbonne. Good crop of younger players coming back. Test will be how quickly they will mature.
7. Maryville. Reloading after massive loss of players. Well coached and always a threat.
8. Greenville. Always a wild card who can spring the upset, especially at home.
9. Principia. Will improve over last season's 2-22 mark, but still has a ways to go.
10. Lincoln Christian. Won three games last year and didn't have much success last year against SLIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on October 31, 2006, 09:55:31 pm
LaPhonso... okay.  Is everyone happy?  Zo (as I call him) and I are pretty good friends.  And as an announcer (which FCNews & Hopefan will atest to the fact that I am the voice of the Panthers), as long as the name is said right, that's all they care about.  Trust me.  There was a kid from Principia with an odd name.  I said it wrong for two years and mom happened to be at a game.  She let me have it for saying her kids name wrong.  "It's not that hard, get it right."  I've been in the business since I was an 8th grader in high school (1997 that is).   Oh Well.

On the prediction side, I'm not good at it.  I will say that Greenville, i'm afriad, will be on the outside looking in.  Quality talent in Darin Williams, Christopher Simmons, Ben Hensold, and Bryan Hobbie (new comer from Vandalia, Ill - Eric Hobbie's brother).  But, after about those four, the talent and quality of player goes down.  NOTE: Greenville players who read this, please take no offense to what I said. I'd say Greenville could pull out a 12-13, 9-9 in SLIAC Play....  Maybe I'm overshooting my mark with that, but I don't know.  I am the person that have Peyton Manning on my Fantasy Football team, up 23 points going into Monday Night on my opponent, who had Tom Brady as QB.  I though I was riding high, until Brady throws for 4 TD's and tallies 28 Fantasy points.. :)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2006, 11:19:20 pm
pp06,

Hey, I was DEFENDING you!  As a sportsANNOUNCER, only the pronunciation is important (I'd list any toughies phonetically, myself!).  Now if you were a sportsWRITER.... ;D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 01, 2006, 05:52:48 pm
MacMurray's 2006-2007 roster is out. Team will feature six seniors (four of whom started for Mac last year), three juniors, four sophomores, and three freshmen. As SLIAC followers well know, Mac never started the same five twice in one game last season, so it's impossible to say the Highlanders return a certain number of starters - most of the roster started at time or another throughout the 2005-2006 season. My sense is those days are over, not that there won't be some early moving around of players to find out which combination works best. Seniors who should lead the way will be 6'6" center Zach Kowa and two 6'3" wings, Dawson Huff and Nick Hipshir. Senior point guard Seth Whalum, who left the team midway through last season, returns and should contribute quite a bit. Key juniors will be 6'5" forward Neil Compton, 6'3" shooting guard Billy Long, and 6'0" point guard Farrid Coleman. Coleman, a juco transfer from Benton Harbor, Michigan, should give Mac some much needed ballhandling consistancy. Sophomores who will be in the mix include 6'3" forward Jerel Robertson and 6'4" wing Brady Greene. Robertson and Greene will provide quickness and rebounding, and both can score. Two freshmen who could help are 6'0" shooter Adam Poulson and 6'0" point guard Eric Elsner. Mac is expecting two or three additions to the squad once football season is over, but more on that later. Tip-off at WIU tomorrow night. I know someone who is going, and will try to get a report on the board in the next day or so.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 03, 2006, 07:10:16 am
Final score at Macomb Thursday night - WIU 97 MacMurray 65
Mac gave the 'Necks all they wanted in the first ten minutes. Game was 19-16 at the 10:52 mark. Last ten minutes of first half was the killer, as WIU went on a 36-11 run. Mac didn't back off in the second half and was only outscored 44-38 in the final 20 minutes. WIU still had their starters on the floor with three minutes left to go in the game and their head coach was about to lose his mind because Mac wouldn't fold and his players were gasping for air. WIU better get in better physical shape or they need to get several oxygen tanks next to its bench.

Highlanders played without two starters, center Zach Kowa and point guard Farrid Coleman, both out with injuries. Game would have been more competitive for Mac had they played. Highlanders were at a severe height disadvantage, but battled WIU on the boards and did a nice job of preventing two and three shots a trip.

Mac still needs consistent play at the point, and hopefully Coleman will provide that once he's healthy. Several players turned in solid efforts last night, including Jimmy Michels, Jerel Robertson, Brady Greene, Neil Compton, and Nick Schmidt. But it was a terrific team effort in the second half with just about everyone doing their job to play WIU pretty much even-up.

This is a completely different team from what SLIAC fans have seen in the past few years. Passing is better, shot selection is better, defense is MUCH better, teamwork is better, and effort is better. Hard to look at a 32 point loss and walk away with positive feelings, but I guarantee you the Mac players felt pretty good about what they accomplished last night. Once Kowa and Coleman are 100%, which they should be for their Nov. 18 game at home against Millikin, and assuming the effort and performance matches last night's benchmarks, the Highlanders could be a team that no one in the SLIAC can look past.

Coach Hettinga has pumped new life into this program. It's going to fun.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 03, 2006, 09:32:01 am
Panthers Travel to the Greenville FCI tonight to rumble with the prisioners.  I will not be attending this game, but I will try to get a report on how the game went.  Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 03, 2006, 03:48:40 pm
One additional stat from last night's Mac game at WIU. The Highlanders outrebounded the Leathernecks. Not bad for an undersized D3 school playing without its starting center.

Couple of interesting SLIAC notes from last night. D1 Eastern Illinois University defeated Eureka 71-55. Not a bad effort at all for the Red Devils. Eureka led 31-30 at the half. Brady Wildenradt had 17 for Eureka while AJ Richard added 14 off the bench for the Red Devils. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Eureka will contend in the SLIAC this season.

And D1 SE Missouri edged Westminster 88-79. Blue Jays led 39-35 at the half, and led most of the second half. They were led by Andrew Buxton with a game-high 27 points. Robert Davis added 12 and Cade House 11.

Congratulations to MacMurray, Eureka, and Westminster for their combined efforts against D1 opponets last night. Although one game does not a season make, but all three teams appear to be much improved.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 05, 2006, 04:36:08 pm
Greenville gets a 10 pt win over the Prisioners of Greenville FCI.  I wasn't given any more detail other than that.  I'm told the Greenville played much better than last year, when they were beat by the prisioners.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 06, 2006, 08:45:45 am
I recall that Fontbonne was scheduled to play St Louis U in an exhibition - but that game seems to have fallen by the wayside  -  FCNews, what's the inside scoop?  Would have been very exciting for the Griffs!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 06, 2006, 11:28:38 am
Hope fan- The game will be played next season as a Coaches vs Cancer game. It will mark the first contest in SLU's new on campus facility. FU travels to Oakland City, IN. this Saturday for it's exhibition match up.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 06, 2006, 05:42:00 pm
Greenville at Millikin on Friday Night.  Greenville will see if they can improve on the 42 point drumming of last season.  I will be off at the Cross Country Regional Meet at Rock Island.  But, I will get an update on how they did.

Secondly, congrats to fcnews and the Griffins of Fontbonne on a 2-1 OT victory over Greenville in the SLIAC Men's Soccer Championship.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 06, 2006, 07:35:14 pm
Thanks Pride! Good example of post season tourney. FU squeaked in the #4 spot and went on the road to beat #1 and #2. For their efforts the Griffins' get Redlands (ranked 5th nationally) in the first round at Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 07, 2006, 10:33:13 pm
You get to play a California team basically in your back yard.  Not a bad draw I'd say.  Good luck FU v. Redlands...

Lookin' forward to basketball getting under way.  Anyone else having a little basketball fever?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 08, 2006, 11:25:55 pm
Im not surprised in seeing good ole' BC ranked a little low. I think a lot of people are forgetting that we are returning last years Player of the Year and Newcomer of the Year in Zak Allen, as well as a 1st team all-conference player in Zeb Hammond, as well as a third returning starter in Bryan Waters and contributing players in Allen Dehority, Leotis Howard, and Frazier Simmons match up again in a new game scheme. As well as Grant Lamsargis and Ryan Smith contributing in the post. They have obtained a good transfer in Brandon Bundren, as well as a good student body pick-up in Tommy Baro. Also three very promising recruits. The doubt in some may be with the new coach which has come off a couple bad years, He certainly has something to prove.


I also understand that being a BC student my veiws are totally bias, but isnt everyones?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 09, 2006, 09:15:31 am
Beaver_SID: Have the SLIAC men's basketball coaches conducted a pre-season conference poll? I can guarantee you no one is underestimating Blackburn in 2006-2007. Beavers have two of the top players in the conference returning and the team always brings in recruits who can play. Not to mention the tough home court advantage. Like MacMurray, it will take a little while for the players and new coach to get on the same page, but this will happen quickly. Blackburn will be in the post-season tournament hunt going down the stretch, and may very well contend for the regular season conference title. Mac's game at Webster, will be interesting - as will the next game at home with Westminster. Possibly the two SLIAC favorites, along with Eureka, right out of the shoot. If Mac plays as well as it did for 3/4s the game against WIU, the Millikin game on 11/18 should be a dandy. Mac is looking for payback against Monmouth 11/21. And Grinnell is bringing its 100 points per game, and a preseason D3 All American pick (John Grotberg) to Jacksonville on 11/25. Then comes a trip to Lincoln Christian. Highlanders has a chance to start 4-0 if they can stay healthy and execute Coach Hettinga's style of play. Hopes are high for Mac. Best wishes to all other SLIAC teams as the season prepares to tip-off.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 09, 2006, 01:22:37 pm
Mac- The SLIAC coaches have never put together a preseason poll before and I havent heard anything about one this year, so I would have to say no.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 09, 2006, 05:16:21 pm
I hate to disagree with anyone this early, but! The coaches do release a pre season poll and have for as long as I can remember. I beleive the voting was done by email this week and should be released by the commish sometime the first of next week.

It is obvious to me that we have one group of teams that is heads above the rest. Webster, Westminister, Blackburn and Eureka are in the top teir. From there down it is really any bodies guess. I think Maryville, Mac, FU and Greenville are in that next group. They will be competitive and could slip into the post season tourney if one of the top teams faulter.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 09, 2006, 07:34:43 pm
No one -- not even you, fcnews -- is giving Fontbonne enough credit. Perhps a bit of psychology going on?? I think the conference will be very competitive this year, with 7 teams having a shot at the top spot. If championships were determined by opinions the Cardinals would not have won the World Series. I can't wait for play to start and I think we are in for some very exciting games this year and that the conference is slowly but surely becoming stronger to the point that it won't be long before a men's team advances in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 09, 2006, 07:40:08 pm
Another thing. Everyone should e-mail the reporter at the Post-Dispatch who did the write ups on the D3 teams in today's paper. We need to let the PD know that there are SLIAC fans who don't want to see Wash U get as much coverage as our three schools combined
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 09, 2006, 08:32:50 pm
Just one man's opinion - but I really agree with y_jack_lok. I don't think there's much difference between the top five or six teams - and I really don't believe any four teams are "heads above the rest." Based on returning players, Webster, Westminster, and Eureka appear to be solid. I would put Mac, Blackburn, and FC in the next group, but certainly dangerous and able to win at home or on the road. Mac has a lot to prove after back-to-back 9-16 seasons. Without being too much of an optimist, I think the Highlanders - if they can stay healthy - will be in the hunt from start to finish. But so will five or six other teams. This may be one of the most competitive SLIAC seasons in a long, long time. Teams that can win at home, beat the teams they're supposed to beat on the road, and then steal one or two along the way will be the champ. Beyond that, I believe, nothing is clear cut

And my next stop will be the sport's desk at the Post Dispatch.....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 09, 2006, 11:50:31 pm
For anyone interested, here is the text of my e-mail to the Post-Dispatch writers of the pre-season Saint Louis D3 article:

"Thanks to both of you for giving the area Division III men's and women's basketball teams some pre-season coverage. Has the Post-Dispatch done this in previous years?

"Area basketball fans who are not aware of, or choose not to follow, the Saint Louis Division III teams are missing out on the best free sports competition available to them. I would encourage all basketball fans to check the respective university websites for the schedules of Webster, Fontbonne, Maryville, and Washington Universities and plan to attend games whenever possible. They will not be disappointed.

"I would like to ask both of you why you gave as much coverage to Washington University as you gave to the Webster, Maryville, and Fontbonne combined? In my opinion all four universities deserve equal coverage, not just in your pre-season articles, but throughout the seasons as well. I hope to see more balanced coverage throughout the season."

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2006, 02:38:08 am
Mac- The SLIAC coaches have never put together a preseason poll before and I havent heard anything about one this year, so I would have to say no.

Rule of thumb, young grasshopper, never say never. The SLIAC predates you by quite a bit and you may not know everything.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 10, 2006, 11:33:48 am
I am in no way down playing the FU squad. I may be the biggest "Homer" on this board. Yes, we return the SLIAC's leading scorer (McCoy) and rebounder (Storandt). But, when your top six players are three freshmen and three sophmores you have to be realistic.
I'm a firm believer in Seniors (Upper classmen) win championships in the SLIAC.

On the P-D subject, FU has spent years trying to work a relationship with the paper. Even have Alumni athletes working for them. It isn't going to happen till something big happens.
FU received great coverage the year the women's team stopped Wash U's historic streak and then made a run to the Elite Eight. They were very nice during Coach's past health battles. Other then that ziltch! Better chance on local TV.

In any size city there has to be a column on local colleges and someone assigned to cover them. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 10, 2006, 12:27:53 pm
Just a Note !!!!

 5:00 pm @ Washington University
 NCAA Tournament 1st Round
 Fontbonne University vs. Redlands, CA ( 5th Nationally )

This should be a very entertaing game. Coach Brian Hoener became a "Daddy" yesterday morning. His first. A little girl.

Great lead in to the basketball festivities at the DSAC tonite:

One of the Special nights of the year.
Women vs. Faculty then at 9:30 the much ballyhooed Alumni Game. The FU Alumni YMCA team of Brian Grassle, Steve King, John Thomas, Mike Horton, Mike Kaemer..ect., really think they have a chance. Slam Dunk Contest will be loud. Plus maybe a 3 pt. matchup between Branch or McCoy vs. Brian Grassle.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 10, 2006, 12:37:23 pm
"Rule of thumb, young grasshopper, never say never. The SLIAC predates you by quite a bit and you may not know everything."

Let me clarify my statement,
Yes, I know that I dont know everything, and my intention was not on the relativly short 16 year history of SLIAC basketball. I only intended to place my opinoin on my previous years in the BC SID office, sorry for the confusion. Again, in the last three years in the SID office I do not remember either seening or hearing of a SLIAC Coaches poll being taken or published, nor one being taken this year. Again I may be mistaken, after all not all of us can be Confucian based SLIAC gurus like Pat Coleman.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 10, 2006, 01:02:00 pm
Easy Beaver! Rule of thumb on this board is. Don't take anything to serious. We're a little more laid back here We tend to over look spelling, puns, pokes and the likes. On this board we are really excited to have a rep. from any school. Look forword to your posts. Any news on Coach K ?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 10, 2006, 02:15:55 pm
I will say that I looked back at this board this time last year and there was no mention of a preseason poll of SLIAC coaches - not to say there might not have been one and it just didn't get publicized

Maryville also has a scrimmage tonight  against the "St Louis Allstars" - the Allstars are said to include former SLU playes Justin Tatum, Ken Brown, John Redden, and Corey Frazier and several other recognizable area hoopsters from the recent past.

Not only were the articles in the post on the SLIAC teams short, they were either totally sandbagged by the coaches or ridiculously represented by the writers because at least for Webster and Maryville players mentioned were not key players to the success of the upcoming season.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 10, 2006, 05:04:41 pm
From two years ago at about this same time Westminster newspaper):

Men's Basketball News

Westminster Teams Fourth, Seventh In Polls
11/16/2004 
The Westminster College women are picked fourth and the men are picked seventh in the preseason polls of St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference basketball coaches.

Five starters return for a Blue Jay womenís team that finished 11-12 overall a year ago and tied for fifth in the league standings at 6-8. Three starters return for a Westminster menís team that went 9-16 overall and finished seventh at 4-10 in conference play last year.

SLIAC Preseason
Womenís Basketball Poll:
1. Maryville University
2. Webster University
3. Fontbonne University
4. Westminster College
5. Greenville College
6. Blackburn College
7. MacMurray College
8. Principia College

SLIAC Preseason
Menís Basketball Poll
1. Maryville University
2. Webster University
3. Blackburn College
4. Fontbonne College
5. Greenville College
6. Principia College
7. Westminster College
8. MacMurray College

I would assume a similar poll was done last season, but maybe didn't make it to the D3 Hoops site.

 

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 10, 2006, 05:09:03 pm
From today's Peoria newspaper:

Eureka men
COACH: Jay Bruer (3rd season at Eureka, 10-42).

LAST SEASON: 4-22, 0-10 in the NIIC

KEY LOSSES: Mike Trotter (4.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg); Andrew Walton (4.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg); Luke Sottos (4.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg).

KEY RETURNEES: Tim Peffer (15.1 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 74 3s, 52-of-53 free throws); A. J. Richard 14.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg); Chris Tarpley (11.4 ppg, 8.0 rpg); Matt Macomb (4.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 63 assists).

KEY ADDITONS: 6-4 Fr. Michael Zasada (McHenry); 6-0 So. Randy Ledbetter (Washburn/ICC).

CRITICS SAY: Same old, same old.

DIEHARDS SAY: Nearly 70 percent of the team's offense returns, and all four of Eureka's victories came against teams from Eureka's new conference.

WE SAY: Red Devils fortunes should improve after going 4-22.

DID YOU KNOW? This is Eureka's first season in the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference after 10 seasons in the Northern Illinois-Iowa Conference.

ONE-LINER: "You have believe you can win before it will take place. You win that battle and success will come." - Eureka coach Jay Bruer.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2006, 08:48:52 pm
"I would like to ask both of you why you gave as much coverage to Washington University as you gave to the Webster, Maryville, and Fontbonne combined? In my opinion all four universities deserve equal coverage, not just in your pre-season articles, but throughout the seasons as well. I hope to see more balanced coverage throughout the season."



While I am sympathetic to your appeal (I imagine that Webster, Maryville, and Fontbonne athletes TRY just as hard as WashU bballers), you're not recognizing the realities of the newspaper BUSINESS.  Of d3 schools, I'd imagine that WashU is THE recognized name in St. Louis (plus, in most recent years, WashU would probably beat an all-star team from the 3 SLIAC schools).  At Eastern Michigan we've long endured the same sort of disproportionate coverage in the local media, since the University of Michigan is 8 miles down Washtenaw Avenue! 

At least we get some sort of a story - the local d3 [Concordia, Ann Arbor] is often lucky to get 3 lines in the agate section!  But then, they are also lucky to get 3 wins in a season in just about any sport! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 10, 2006, 11:20:57 pm
I'm fully aware of the newspaper business, and I know exactly what's going on. I'm just being a squeaky wheel, and tilting at windmills. I have sent  one or two similar e-mails in past years, citing insufficient coverage of all area D3 sports. This year the Post-Dispatch at least did the pre-season article. Could my prior e-mails have made a difference? Probably not. But who knows for sure? The recent artice is a first in the five years I've lived here, as far as I know. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong abou that.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2006, 11:33:06 pm
Gotcha.  And keep on being a squeaky wheel - SOMETIMES they DO get the grease!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 10, 2006, 11:58:23 pm
FC-
Coach K, his wife, and their new daughter Maya have moved back to Hawaii where he took an assistant coaches position at University of Hawaii - Hilo, a nice DII program. Last season they went 16-9 overall and 6-6 in their conference. Seemingly doing well for himself.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 11, 2006, 10:03:36 am
Here's a link to a short but very nice article on the U of H-Hilo men's basketball page about their coaching staff this year. Coach K gets some good ink.

http://vulcans.uhh.hawaii.edu/sport.php?s=mbk
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 11, 2006, 10:06:17 am
Read where Illinois Wesleyan defeated Blackburn last night in exhibition play. No score or details. Couldn't find anything on Greenville's exhibition at Millikin. Any information or stats on these games would be appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 11, 2006, 01:24:35 pm
I too would be very interested to hear details on Blackburn - IWU scrimmage -   A BC squad with several cream of the SLIAC crop veterans but a short bench, vs an IWu squad that lost most of their players from last year to graduation.  BlackburnSID, how about it?   Too bad TitanQ was out of town - we would have gotten a good report over on the CCIW page had he been in attendance.

The Maryville scrimmage was tough to watch - The StL allstars had a big lead of 20 points in the 2nd half, most of which they reliquished when they either ran out of gas or lost interest in the last 10 minutes of the game.  Maryville is just too inexperienced to show any consistancy, and when they could have won the game in the last 3 or 4 minutes, they failed to run any offense to get good shots.  I just don't know where the level of play necessary to win games is going to come from - Coach Rogers can only do so much -  BUT somewhere the recruiting has failed, because the level of player ability has dropped off dramaticly from the fine group of seniors in last years class.

Right now, the starting unit has no point guard - Josh Andrews does a good job pushing the ball up the floor, but has a rough time consistantly taking advantage of any step he has gained-  in other words, out of control.  The little frosh point guard, and i do mean little, plays with an attitude and can handle, but needs alot of seasoning and probably should be a JV player.  The big frosh at 6"8" knows what to do with the ball around the basket, but is a plodder up and down the court and hardly fits Coach Rogers style of play.  Turpen has done little in two scrimmages, bad decisions, and needs to find a more rounded game because he's a very inconsistant shooter.  Casey Holland - as I said last spring - mistakes himself out of games often, and already has done it in the scrimmages.  Marcus Van H is already hurt, and played little last night after looking good vs Harris Stowe.  Rezebeck has been a solid complementary player in the past, but if he has to be a go to guy, I'm doubtful.  Steinke is a 6'6' kid good athlete who runs the floor well but REFUSES to take the ball to the hole with any courage.  Teddy McGrath, Cole Van H and Scott Murfin each had decent performances off the bench, and any of the three could find themselves playing alot if they keep it up.

Another thing I noticed is that a couple of the frosh who played fairly well against Stowe did not dress last night - good decision - assuming there is a JV schedule, better to play at that level full time -  a name in that group to watch for is Jake Baechle, who was very impressive taking the ball to the basket against Stowe

Brutal - yes - but it's only because I care - and hope the kids realize they have a long way to go..... neither of these scrimmages were close to resembling the level of intensity or defensive pressure they'll face starting next Friday   -   that being said, best of luck to both Webster and Maryville down in Kentucky next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 11, 2006, 02:22:28 pm
Below is a reply from one of the two P-D reporters who did the pre-season articles on the Saint Louis D3 schools.

"I forwarded your e-mail to Cameron Hollway, our assistant sports editor. He makes decisions of space.
 
"Thank you for your comment."
 
- Brian Sumers
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 11, 2006, 11:58:04 pm
FU beat (D2) Oakland City Univ. 96-87 today on the road. FU led 37-33 at the break. OCU's size had Storandt in early early foul trouble, but the young kids kept their composure in front of good size loyal crowd. The scoring for FU was very balanced. FU was lead by Fr. Cartez Parker's 22, Fr. Josh Branch 21, So. Brian Fogerty had 20, So. Patrick McCoy 19 and Fr. Trevor White 14. The Griffin's lead by 20 with 5:59 to go before some inexperience showed and OCU cut the lead to 6 pts. and at the line with 1:13 to go. A missed free throw and a Branch 3 pt was the final margin of victory. FU was 11-20 from behind the arc and shot 58% from the flloor for the night. The under sized FU also won the battle of the boards 37-28.

If I'm not mistaken this is the first win against a D2 squad in the short history of the program. This was a great tune up for Hannibal-LaGrange next friday nite in Chicago at the Big Four Classic.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 12, 2006, 10:55:08 am
Congrats to the Griffins. This win lends some credibility to my opinion that FU will be a force in the conference this year. In looking at the Oakland City website it seems that they feel more connected to the NCCAA (National Christian College athletic Association) where they finished second overall last year, than they do to Division II. Not to suggest that this takes anything away from the Fontbonne win. I just don't know how the NCCAA stacks up competitively to D2 or D3.

For those interested,  here's alink to Oakland City's schedule and resluts from last year: http://www.oak.edu/athletics/mbasketball/schedule03.htm

That season included a 110-62 win over Lincoln Christian and an 81-65 loss to SIU-Edwardsville as part of an 18-11 overall record.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 12, 2006, 11:50:40 am
Y Jack - you are correct in their association with NCCAA. They are a D2 Independent, In talking with Coach Sandifar yesterday, it sounds as if they will be joining a conference in the very near future. As of now they play the required number of games against NCAA DII opponents. Looks like UMR, SIUE and Huntsville are some mainstay matches.

They are a very talented squad with good size and strong compliment of usual Indiana guards.

They openened the game by trying to muscle up against a smaller team. They were posting up their larger guards and pounding it into their big men. Then FU pushed the pace of the game and OCU got out of their game plan. The speed of FU's pt. guard Parker was a deciding factor. Parkers full court defense on OCU's points cause them some trouble. His ability to really push the ball up the floor resulted in some really good looks for Branch and McCoy. Brian Fogerty did a great job early scoring 14 of his 20 in the first half.

Fontbonne did a great job of staying with the game plan and this teams vast improvement in help D was a nice change. When SLIAC play starts this team will not be at as much of a size disadvantage. FU's guard play will cause some teams problems.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on November 12, 2006, 11:05:18 pm
I watched the Blackburn vs. Illinois-Weslyn scrimmage. IWU showed why they made a good run in last years tourny and they have a lot of depth and tremendous size all around. I was very impressed with BC, despite losing some key players from last years run.
Zak Allan as always, was very smart handling the ball and running the offense for the Beavers. He recorded a lot of assists. Zeb Hammond, another key returner had good touch from the outside and it showed they had he has been workin hard. Bryan Waters, a key returner, helped Allan in running the offense and also did a good job of moving the ball to the best shot possible.
I was EXTEREMLY impressed by Leotis Howard. He was unstoppable from the outside. I believe in this 1st game, he went something like 9-10 from outside and it continued into the other games. Howard, who saw minimal time last year,you can tell has worked very hard on his game, and if he keeps it up, he will be another threat added to this years squad. Grant Largsmis and Ryan Smith were the 2 big men playing the inside game for BC. They were both being physical and used their bodies well. It looks as if they both will be able to give Blackburn the inside game they have been lacking recently.
Brandon Bundren, transfer, and Tommy Baros, new-comer, saw playing time at the guard positions and were able to control the offense when others needed breathers. They had great chemistry with the returning players and their is no doubt in this fans mind that this questionable year, could very likely turn into another magical Blackburn run into the conference tourney.
I believe BC won 2 of the games during the scrimmage.
Hopefully this will give some insight to anyone wondering about Blackburns team or the scrimmage...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 13, 2006, 01:41:08 am
Amusing, "veterancciwfan" tells a totally different story on the cciw page regarding the "winner" of the Blackburn - IWU scrimmage than dynasty 22 does above  -  who to believe?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2006, 03:02:24 am
At least we get some sort of a story - the local d3 [Concordia, Ann Arbor] is often lucky to get 3 lines in the agate section!

Concordia (MI) isn't D3, it's NAIA, Chuck. If even the most ardent small-college basketball fan in Washtenaw County isn't aware of the school's affiliation, what hope is there for the Cardinals?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2006, 03:12:01 am
I just don't know how the NCCAA stacks up competitively to D2 or D3.

Very poorly. Last year, according to the running tally that Rhodes Scholar keeps in the "D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA" room, D3 teams won 73 of 82 contests against NCCAA-affiliated teams. I'm not sure if the NCCAA or the USCAA constitutes the bottom rung of college basketball in terms of talent level, but it's one or the other.

Having said that, Oakland City is obviously a very good program by the usual standards of that level.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 13, 2006, 07:08:15 am
Report on the CCIW page says Millikin beat Greenville by 40 in an exhibition game last Friday night in Decatur. Ouch....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 13, 2006, 08:51:59 am
From this morning's Bloomington Pantagraph...

The Lincoln College menís basketball team defeated Marshalltown Community College 85-65 at Kewanee on Sunday.

Lincoln was led by D. J. Lindsay and Kenneth Calvert who each scored 18 points. P.J. Keaton had a great all around game for the Lynx scoring 13 points, grabbing 14 rebounds and handing out six assists.

Kenneth Trotter added 11 points for Lincoln as they moved to 4-1 on the season.

Marshalltown was led in scoring by DaShawn Wright and Kenard Moore each with 17 points.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 13, 2006, 09:45:21 am
From this morning's Bloomington Pantagraph...

The Lincoln College menís basketball team defeated Marshalltown Community College 85-65 at Kewanee on Sunday.

Lincoln was led by D. J. Lindsay and Kenneth Calvert who each scored 18 points. P.J. Keaton had a great all around game for the Lynx scoring 13 points, grabbing 14 rebounds and handing out six assists.

Kenneth Trotter added 11 points for Lincoln as they moved to 4-1 on the season.

Marshalltown was led in scoring by DaShawn Wright and Kenard Moore each with 17 points.


Are we just posting randon newspaper articles now?  MacAttack, if you are thinking that's Lincoln Christian, I think you'd be wrong because in Lincoln, there is Lincoln College and Lincoln Christhan College.  I think Lincoln College is a JUCO.  Just an FYI.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 13, 2006, 10:19:54 am
I assumed it was Lincoln Christian. If not, my mistake. I'm not in the habit of posting random newspaper articles.

What's the story on the game at Millikin? You never really know about what goes in exhibition games, but a 40 point loss is an eye opener...makes me wonder what the Highlanders will be looking at next Saturday afternoon. Mac lost by three at Millikin last year, and had a chance to win with a minute to play. I think Mac is better this season, maybe much better. Millikin will be a heavy favorite, but my guess is the Highlanders will make it interesting. Maybe very interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 13, 2006, 04:24:50 pm
HOT OFF THE PANTHER WIRE:  Bryson Taylor is back for the Greenville Panthers.  Bryson only played 3 years of basketball (2 at Greenville and one at his old school.)  Prior to the school year, he thought his elgibilty was up.  Upon further investigation with the Athletic Dept. and the NCAA, he is cleared for another year.

Does Tayor help the Panthers, absoutely.  After the 40 point drumming by Millikin, Taylor will give the bench some more depth and leadership on the floor.  Taylor will be a big key in the Panther attack this season.  Does it make the Panthers better record wise?  Not sure.  He may get the Panthers a few more wins and put them up there at 4-6 in the final standings. 

And on the SLIAC Coaches Poll questions, as an assistant in the program, I know there is a coaches poll.  Should be released this week.

What say you on the revitalization of the Panthers w/ Taylor back?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 13, 2006, 04:32:59 pm
Stats on Fontbonne v. Oakland City (In)

http://www.oak.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07%20Season/OCUvsFontMen.htm

First of all, tons of credit to Fontbonne on a big win, but statistically speaking, Fontbonne played out of their mind, shooting 60% for the game.  Oakland City played about where they will play throughout the season.  FU won't shoot 60% from the field every night, wont shoot 90% from the stripe, and 50% from dream land.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on November 13, 2006, 04:35:00 pm
Hopefan - Their were multiple games being played. IWU was clearly the winner on the night, but BC did win a couple of the game thay they had won. Plus it doesn't matter anyways, BC won't see an opponent the caliber of IWU until the National tournament, pending they get there first...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 13, 2006, 04:57:42 pm
Gregory are you telling me that Greenville College had 6 of the nine NCCAA wins last year?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2006, 05:03:45 pm
At least we get some sort of a story - the local d3 [Concordia, Ann Arbor] is often lucky to get 3 lines in the agate section!

Concordia (MI) isn't D3, it's NAIA, Chuck. If even the most ardent small-college basketball fan in Washtenaw County isn't aware of the school's affiliation, what hope is there for the Cardinals?  :D

Not much, and this proves it! ;) ;D

I had meant to type 'd3-type school' - I was pretty sure they weren't d3 (I think the MIAA schools are Michigan's only d3s, except Finlandia), but I would have guessed they were NCCAA.  (Considering their incredible lack of success in every sport I've noticed, maybe they SHOULD be!)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 13, 2006, 05:12:04 pm
FCnews - no Greg is not counting Greenville as an NCCAA team, as its obvious primary membership is NCAA D3.   Reporting done in that record (which I did for most of last year in conjunction with Rhodes Scholar) were for schools listed only as NCCAA or USCAA.  Believe me, those schools over all were BAD.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 13, 2006, 05:14:55 pm
Then Oakland City is considered NCCAA, even though they are a member in good standing with the NCAA DII as an independent.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 13, 2006, 05:18:19 pm
Pride - Don't be to suprised if you don't see FU around the 50% from 3's, and they are a much better free throw shooting team then last year. Branch, McCoy and Parker all will shoot a high percentage.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 13, 2006, 05:20:49 pm
That box score for Fontbonne surprised me - only 5 scorers  - looks like Storant may have been in foul trouble to only get 13 minutes, but Almany only gets 1 minute?  In an exhibition game?  And most of the other guys don't play?  If you can't play in a game that's meaningless, when can you play?  On the other hand, a great show of strength for the first 6.  FCnews - keep us posted on scores up in Chicago next weekend..
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 13, 2006, 05:25:43 pm
Pantherpride is correct. Lincoln College is a junior college that competes in the NJCAA (NJ standing for National Junior, not New Jersey) Division II. Here's a link to their athletics home page:
http://www.lincolncollege.edu/athletics/index.htm

Lincoln Christian College, of course, is now a provisional D III school competing in our conference.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 13, 2006, 05:30:49 pm
Hopefan - This game took on a little more importance because of the rivalry of the two coaches that goes back to Coach's Mo. Bapt. days. Almany will see a little more time then the 1 minute, but Andrew will be a roll player this year. Storandt had two fouls in the first four minutes and never was a factor. FU will not try to play as many players as in years past.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redrum on November 13, 2006, 05:52:32 pm
oh look, the 1st official game hasnt even been played yet and the cornfed crazies are already runnin their mouths. news flash, you lost all your talent last year..your so-called magical run is over...dont waste your time goin to the games..instead wash the dishes and mow the lawns becuz you have too..thats the only thing your school supports anyways...they dont care about you..might as well prepare for baseball season cuz youre not gonna have much fun during the basketball season..be suprised if you win 5 games this year...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 13, 2006, 05:59:24 pm
fcnews:  If Fontbonne shoots at or above 50% on the year, I will buy you dinner at the Conference Tournament.  It's hard to see anyone shoot that.  We were at that about 4 games into the year and people started defending it hard core.

2005-2006 Final Stats
Division III
1. Potsdam St. - 43.3%
2. Wooster - 42.9%
3. Utica - 42.9%

Division II
1. Grand Canyon - 44.7%
2. Alaska Anchorage - 44.6%
3. Western Washington - 42.5%

Division I
1. Southern Utah - 42.9%
2. UC Irvine - 42.0%
3. Portland - 42.0%

Division III History
(Min. 100 made) - NJ Inst. of Tech at 62% (1989)
(Min. 150 made) - EUREKA at 49.1% (1994)

Division II History
(Min. 90 made) - Winston-Salen - 53.8% (1988)
(Min. 200 made) - OAKLAND CITY - 50.2% (1992)

Division I History
(Min. 100 made) - Indiana - 50.8% (1987)
(Min. 150 made) - Mississippi Valley - 50.0% (1987)
(Min. 200 made) - Princeton - 49.2% (1988)

Last season, Greenville & Blackburn made the top 75 at seasons end shooting 39.1 (29) by Greenville and  39.6 (23) by Blackburn.

With all this being said, is shooting 50% from 3 possibility.  Yes, We see Eureka holds the record.  Will is be done, possibly yes.  Is it likely, no.  Definately difficult.  The year we went 19-8, we shot 42.2 and we had Hofmann, Weller, Clemens, Marshall, and Young all shooting .400 +

I say, good luck.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 13, 2006, 06:01:19 pm
oh look, the 1st official game hasnt even been played yet and the cornfed crazies are already runnin their mouths. news flash, you lost all your talent last year..your so-called magical run is over...dont waste your time goin to the games..instead wash the dishes and mow the lawns becuz you have too..thats the only thing your school supports anyways...they dont care about you..might as well prepare for baseball season cuz youre not gonna have much fun during the basketball season..be suprised if you win 5 games this year...

Who is the world is this cat talking too?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 13, 2006, 06:08:07 pm
Looks to me like redrum is hitting the red rum a little early. Probably should wait until cocktail hour before teeing off like that.....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 13, 2006, 06:18:29 pm
I don't know who he's talking about Pride ! Yes 50% is very unlikely. But, playing out of their mind, not really. These young kids can shoot. Parker is taking the ball handling chores from McCoy and that has really helped Patrick's shooting. Fontbonne only attempted 20 3's, shot selection is much, no extremely improved. The problem will still be the inexperience, evident by the 20 tunovers. We will see this weekend. I don't know what to expect out of Hannibal and the second game will probably be against D3 Phlladelphia Bible.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redrum on November 13, 2006, 07:15:05 pm
im talkin about these blackburn fans who down everyother school and think they are superior to anyone else...why be at a school where the administration could care less about you...you work so your school can save money and give back..but yet they are building a 6million dollar science center rather then fix up the ghetto warehouses you call a campus..
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 13, 2006, 07:19:07 pm
"I saw a little of the Blackburn scrimmage Friday. Their gym is almost as dark as Hampden-Sydney's and the rims were rock hard. It was not conducive to a good scoring effort."

Above quote is part of a post on the CCIW board from "veternacciwfan".

I took a lot of flak last March for mentioning how dark Blackburn's gym is. But as a result they improved the lighting for the SLIAC tournament.  Could it be they took out the lights added for the tournament? Even with the added lighting it was still darker than most gyms.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 13, 2006, 07:42:43 pm
guys, this is great - double digit posts in one day  - let's keep it up!  Hey how about SLIAC predictions for the weekend
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 13, 2006, 08:51:08 pm
Predictions ?
Maryville will have trouble
Greenville is an unknown
Blackburn, Webster and FU split
Westminister and Eureka might show us all what level we need to be at come conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 13, 2006, 09:22:42 pm
OK FC
Maryville against top notch competition loses two - Webster against the same also loses two, but tight - Kentucky refs will play a role = (the WORST I EVER saw a team get screwed was at Centre, Kentucky when Wash U lost down there in the NCAAs back in early 90's)

Fontbonne  -come on - should win two against the Bible boys

 Blackburn on the road should split against Concordia and Dominican
GC against the same competition - I don't think so

Westminster lost two last year in Memphis, but they are much more experienced - I think 2 wins

Eureka opens against host Manchester - a loss - but should win on Saturday night

Mac may give Millikin a game, but Millikin too good - a Mac loss

LCC goes against St L chris - and loses away from home..

which would give the SLIAC a 6-10 record opening weekend...

ALSO REMEMBER   St Louis people  -  Blackburn at Wash U next Tuesday night
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 13, 2006, 09:27:13 pm
SLIAC Pre Season Poll is up on the SLIAC site.
Webster, Westminister, Blackburn, Maryville,Fontbonne, Eureka, Mac, GC, Prin., and LC.

The write up is kind of unclear of the order of 1,2.

I have some Big questions?
Eureka 6th - NO!
Maryville 4th - ?
Mac and GC 7th and 8th - both very tough places to play
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 13, 2006, 10:02:50 pm
Here's the pre-season coaches poll:

1. Webster
2. Westminster
3. Blackburn
4. Maryville
5. Fontbonne
6. Eureka
7. MacMurray
8. Greenville
9. Principia
10. Lincoln Christian

As I've stated earlier, I think Eureka is a top three team. Clearly their overall record from last season weighed in the voting. The battle for the other play-off spot will probably come down to Blackburn, MacMurray, and Fontbonne. No way does Mac finish seventh this season unless the bottom falls out.

In terms of this week-end:

Maryville goes 0-2 (the learning curve begins)
Webster goes 1-1 (plays tough against tough teams)
Fontbonne goes 2-0 (fairly soft opener)
Blackburn goes 1-1 (will be hot and cold)
Greenville goes 0-2 (could be a long year)
Westminster goes 1-1 (will be a team to watch all season)
Eureka goes 1-0 (Eureka is pretty good guys)
Mac goes 1-0 (heart hoping for the upset)
LCC goes 0-1 (big step up for LCC)

Week-end: 7 wins  8 losses


Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 13, 2006, 11:53:30 pm
I'll put this subject to bed. After checking Oakland City' s schedule they play 12 games vs. DII schools and one D1. They also appear on the NCAA Website as a membership school. Greg or Hope please enlighten me on how they are not considered DII, but instead NCCAA "the bottom rung".
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 14, 2006, 12:24:47 am
Maryville (Hanover & Transylvania): 0-2
Transylvania is a tough team.  We struggled with them last year and Hanover (knowing them because i'm from Indiana) usually have a good squad.

Greenville (Concordia, Ill. & Dominican, Ill.): 1-1
I have go to give my boys atleast one win.  I hope.  ick....  I should be there and will hive some updates.

Webster (Transylvania & Hanover): 1-1
Chris Bunch knows how to pull out some tough wins.

Westminster (Rhodes & Hendrix): 1-1
I know nothing about either team but Coach Mitchell has got a strong core of boys this year.

Eureka (Manchester & UW-Eau Claire/Ama): 2-0
Again, I know nothing about these two teams. Judging by the hype I am hearing, I'll give them the weekend sweep.

Lincoln Christian (St. Louis Christian): 0-1
I believed they lost to SLCC last year and Scott Womble has an okay group.

Fontbonne (Moody Bible): 1-0
Show me the number FCNews.  Let's see 'em shoot lights out again.  If they don't do it v. Moody than it'll be tough in the SLIAC...  (Just messin' FC.)

Blackburn (Dominican, Ill & Concordia, Ill): 2-0
Should be the best of the four teams there.  Between Dom, Con, and GC last year, I think we all had about 15 wins combined.... ick.

Let's see, if my math is right, I have the SLIAC at 8-6 (all games according to the SLIAC page.)  Probably over estimating myself.  We ought to do this and keep track for all the loyal SLIAC posters!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2006, 04:09:00 am
I'll put this subject to bed. After checking Oakland City' s schedule they play 12 games vs. DII schools and one D1. They also appear on the NCAA Website as a membership school. Greg or Hope please enlighten me on how they are not considered DII, but instead NCCAA "the bottom rung".

Who said that Oakland City wasn't considered D2? Not me. Nor did Hopefan insinuate any such thing. As he said, in the "D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA" room only schools that do not have dual affiliation are considered to be NCCAA. It's quite commonplace for NCCAA schools to hold dual affiliation. Greenville, for instance, is dually affiliated with both NCAA D3 and the NCCAA. Several schools in the Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference (Judson, Olivet Nazarene, Trinity Christian, and Trinity International) are dually affiliated with both the NAIA and the NCCAA.

When a school is a dual affiliate of both the NCAA and the NAIA (i.e., Nebraska Wesleyan), it has to declare for one organization or the other for postseason purposes prior to the end of the regular season every year. Both the NCAA and the NAIA have rules that stipulate such a requirement. The NCCAA has no such rule. Thus, a school such as Greenville or Trinity Christian can declare itself for either the D3 or the NAIA-2 tourney (as Greenville does every year), and should the Panthers or Trolls fail to make said tournament, the NCCAA will welcome them with open arms into their postseason tournament. Greenville has participated in the NCCAA tournament several times over the past few seasons. Still, nobody considers the Panthers to be an NCCAA program on this website; Greenville declares itself eligible for D3 postseason play; it plays in a D3-affiliated conference; and it plays a full schedule of D3 teams.

However, there's another stipulation involved. D2, like the other two divisions within the NCAA, has minimum scheduling requirements. In order to be eligible for the D2 tournament, a D2 member school must play a minimum of 22 games against D1 or D2 competition, and at least 16 of those games have to be against in-region D2 opponents. (D3 has a similar rule; all schools eligible for the D3 tourney must play half of their games against in-region D3 opponents, unless a waiver request by the school is submitted to the D3 Men's Basketball Championships Committee that proves it was impossible for that school to meet the scheduling requirement.) As you said, Oakland City will play only 13 games against D1 and D2 schools. The Oaks are therefore not eligible for the D2 tournament. They're thus a D2 team only in a nominal sense.

Greenville (Concordia, Ill. & Dominican, Ill.): 1-1
I have go to give my boys atleast one win.  I hope.  ick....  I should be there and will hive some updates.

Blackburn (Dominican, Ill & Concordia, Ill): 2-0
Should be the best of the four teams there.  Between Dom, Con, and GC last year, I think we all had about 15 wins combined.... ick.

Nope. Concordia (IL) went 11-16 last season, and Dominican went 13-13. The Cougars return all five starters from last season, and they've added a lot of size in their freshman class -- three 6'9 guys and a 6'7, 220 guy. Dominican will definitely be better than last year (I saw them scrimmage last Saturday), and they should be one of the title contenders in the new eleven-school NAthCon. Concordia (IL) should also do pretty well in the new conference.

My guess is that the two SLIAC schools will return home this weekend with 0-2 records. But I certainly look forward to hearing your firsthand impressions of the two River Forest teams, especially since North Park will be playing Concordia (IL) next week.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on November 14, 2006, 09:34:18 am
I don't think Blackburn is on the road for the opening games. I believe we are hosting the tournament in which Concordia and the other teams we'll be playing.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 14, 2006, 09:40:21 am
Good post pantherpride 06 - but left out the Mac-Millikin game I think...

Saw where Monmouth gave Coe a tough go in a scrimmage last week. Coe is pretty good, getting some Top 25 votes. Monmouth comes to Jacksonville next week. Hmmmm....

...and then "everybody in the pool" from Grinnell comes calling, followed by a trip to Lincoln Christian.

Would be great if the Highlanders could go 2-2 or better out of the gate. Last season Mac lost some tough games early and really dug themselves a hole. Lost the first five games of the season, four of them by 10 or less points. Probably could have won all four but the helter skelter style, turnovers, and poor team defense proved to be lethal. I don't think that will happen this season. Shot selection, ballhandling, passing, defense, and teamwork is MUCH improved. Whether or not that will translate into wins, no one knows. But with the addition of Farrid Coleman at point guard, a rejuvinated Zach Kowa at the post, and a healthy and eligible Brady Greene,  Mac appears to be stronger, quicker, and tougher. Mix in returning contributors Nick Hipshir, Neil Compton, Jerel Robertson and Dawson Huff -along with nice bench play from Billy Long, Nick Schmidt, Seth Whalum and Jim Michaels - the team has some depth and ability to compete and hopefully win the close games they lost last year.

Millikin will prove to be tough opener for the Highlanders, as the Big Blue will be considerably bigger, stronger, deeper, and have a tremendous young point guard in Drew Gensler. Korte Long had 19 points and 18 rebounds against Mac last year, and I would expect another very solid game from him. We just won't be able to match up with him, and I expect we'll get in foul trouble trying to guard him. Millikin will be blending in some freshmen and returning players who were injured last year, so it will be interesting to see how quickly things come together for them. If Mac shoots well and stays out of foul trouble, it could be a dandy.

Bottom line is Coach Hettinga will work hard at installing his system of play, which I think the players will pick up very quickly. He emphasizes the value of each possession, quality passes and quality shots, tough man-to-man defense, and aggressive rebounding. The team goes about ten deep, but I don't think you will see anymore "five in, five out." Those days are over. I think you'll see three or four players get 20-plus minutes a night, and three or four more get ten-plus minutes. That's the way it should be.

After posting back-to-back 9-16 seasons and having a lean recruiting year because of the late hiring of Hettinga, the predicted seventh place SLIAC finish in the pre-season poll was to be expected. Mac will be tested early, with trips to Webster, Fontbonne, and Eureka all by January 16. If Mac is above .500 after January 16, I think they will be poised to make a legitimate run at the top four. If they're below .500, it will be much more difficult. But it's WAY too early to look that far ahead. Highlanders need to taste some success early on and avoid any prolonged losing streaks. The rest of the season will take care of itself.

Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 14, 2006, 10:59:07 am
Just to clarify, FU and the SLIAC's websites list one game at Moody Bible. It is actually a four team tourney. FU opens play Friday against NAIA Hannibal - LaGrange, the second game will be the hosts facing D3 Philadelphia Bible. Winners and losers play Saturday afternoon. I'll try to post results following both.

FU goes 1-1
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 14, 2006, 11:09:15 am
Well, I'm all over the road.  I think I'll give Fontbonne a 1-1 on the weekend.

My greatest appoloigies to CURF & DOM.  I might have been recalling a few years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 14, 2006, 03:43:18 pm
I don't think Blackburn is on the road for the opening games. I believe we are hosting the tournament in which Concordia and the other teams we'll be playing.

Blackburn Hosts the North/South Classic which features Blackburn, Concordia, Greenville, and Dominican. Also, BC lost the scrimmage against IL-Weslyan by 12 points. The scrimmage was broken down into three intervals. BC had a strong showing  in the first intervals. Leotis Howard had an amazing showing, I dont have access to stats at this moment but I do believe he put up 20pts. himself in the first interval. I will post actual game stats later today. The second interval was coaching ran situations and stats were not taken for this portion. The third interval was mostly bench players getting some PT. Again, I will post stats later today when I have a chance to get into the office.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 14, 2006, 04:00:20 pm
I should have read some earlier posts I would have had more to say!

"I saw a little of the Blackburn scrimmage Friday. Their gym is almost as dark as Hampden-Sydney's and the rims were rock hard. It was not conducive to a good scoring effort."

Above quote is part of a post on the CCIW board from "veternacciwfan".

I took a lot of flak last March for mentioning how dark Blackburn's gym is. But as a result they improved the lighting for the SLIAC tournament.  Could it be they took out the lights added for the tournament? Even with the added lighting it was still darker than most gyms.

@ the scrimmage BC was having trouble with wiring only half of the lights were on completely and the other half stayed in the warm-up stage the entire competition. As part of the set-up crew all was done before the game to correct the problem but to no avail.

im talkin about these blackburn fans who down everyother school and think they are superior to anyone else...why be at a school where the administration could care less about you...you work so your school can save money and give back..but yet they are building a 6million dollar science center rather then fix up the ghetto warehouses you call a campus..

Who in the hell does this guy think he is? I dont think BC fans or I have not said a damn thing about any other schools since the fan situation of last season. Sorry to say it but your the only one talking noise about another team. Again, I would like to emphasis that BC is not just a bunch of farm kids. I myself come out of the East St. Louis school district, and some of the schools base is Chicago oriented. BC does have a large central Illinois basis,  but we apologize if that is not up your obviously oh-so-high standards.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 14, 2006, 04:08:25 pm
FCnews, I think you are sandbagging us  -  Fontbonne's possible opponents on Saturday are both likely at a level capable of being beaten  -  Moody Bible had nothing in the way of last season's record on their site, but I hardly think of them as top level competition....  Philly bible finished under 500 last year as a first time member of the very weak NEAC - a conference that truly rivals the Sliac  as one of the lower level conferences in D3 - and I note that last year, on a trip to the midwest, they lost to Wabash by 40 -  While Wabash may be rated above SLIAC teams, I don't think they are 40 points better in a normal year.  I really think, unless Philly has gotten much better, that FU will get two wins.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 14, 2006, 04:14:05 pm
BCSID, assuming you are very close to the program, I'm curious as to how the veteran players are doing with the new coach  -  it had to be tough to see a personable guy like Coach K leave  -  how's the new coach adapting?
I'm really curious about the hiring, given the new coach was coming off a couple of very disappointing seasons at his old school - BUT, I am the first to say that not in all cases are wins and losses the whole story  -  would just like to hear a little more.....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 14, 2006, 04:15:50 pm
-Adressing the loss of talent comment @ BC-

BC is returning the Player of the Year/ Newcomer of the Year in Zak Allen
Also returning is Zeb Hammond a 1st Team all confrence player, and two big bodies in Grant Lamsargis and Ryan Smith,  a good outside shooter and contribution player in Allen Dehority,  and three year starter in Bryan Waters.

The only players lost from last season were Todd Stevens, Jake McWhoter, Luka Djedovic, and Matt Maddox.

Luka was the player of the year from two years ago,  but did not contribute as much as would be thought to last years team.
Todd, was a great leader and senior presence for the Beavers and will be missed on the starting 5.
Maddox was a presence under the rim and liking will be missed.
Jake, was a great off the bench contributor, and is defintily a loss to the depth of the BC bench.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 14, 2006, 04:21:54 pm
BCSID, assuming you are very close to the program, I'm curious as to how the veteran players are doing with the new coach  -  it had to be tough to see a personable guy like Coach K leave  -  how's the new coach adapting?
I'm really curious about the hiring, given the new coach was coming off a couple of very disappointing seasons at his old school - BUT, I am the first to say that not in all cases are wins and losses the whole story  -  would just like to hear a little more.....

Senior Allen Dehority is a worker in my office as well as one of my very good friends. From what I have heard from him Coach Chandler has stepped in good way. His own system has minor clashes with the old Coach K, and he says that makes it extremly easy to adapt. Coach did show some jitters at the IL-Weslyan scrimmage. Before the game Coach thought that the scrimmage would be a closed gym match with little or no fan support and showed a little concern when he found out that usually half the student body shows up for anything in that gym! Probably just opening day nerves for a new coach, but we'll defintily find out this weekend opening up this tourny!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 14, 2006, 04:32:35 pm
Scrimmaging the Big Green would be a little intimidating for anyone - my hats off to coach for taking up the challenge

and hey, I have one more thing to say in a very serious  vein - D3 hoops is my passion - yes I take great abuse form my Billikin season ticketholder work mate, but I played coached and supported D3 hoops for almost 40 years now (Yes, I played D3 hoops before there was D3 hoops - referred to as 'college Division" back then) -  I'm really enjoying the writings and knowlege from FCnews, BlackburnSID, Yjak, panther, and MacAttack - and Ill be rooting via the internet (family duties have me sidelined the next two weekends)  for every SLIAC win possible.  If anyone representing Westminster, Eureka, Prin or LCC is out there, please join us - home perspective of teams is entertaining to read, and helps us know what to expect when we eventuaally see your teams play.  While I remain a fan of Maryville, my good friend Gene Myers has retired from the bench, so this year I will likely be a more general SLIAC fan - going to the best SLIAC matchup on a given night, particularly in the St Louis area.  I enjoy writing about what I see - so please, no one take offense - if your kids look good, 'll say it; but if they gave the game away, I'll say that too.  this is a great place for hoops nuts like myself to discuss these games!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redrum on November 14, 2006, 06:11:16 pm
you hit it on the nose when you asked the question about the new coach hopefan...blackburn hired a new coach coming off bad seasons at his previous school, so how does that qualify him for his current job? its all apart of blackburns administrations plans, slowly cut off each sport 1 by 1, make them have bad seasons so their will be next to no recruits wanting anything to do with your program..blackburn had potential to be DECENT this year, but after hiring a coach who is well below .500 at his previous school...hahaha good luck...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on November 14, 2006, 06:14:06 pm
I've periodcally walked in for a few minutes during different practices. Coach seemed to know what he was talkin about so we will see come game time whether we are prepared or not. Remember, "Champions are made in the offseason"
GO BEAVERS!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 14, 2006, 06:58:10 pm
Hopefan- It's not FU's second game that really troubles me it's the first. I've heard, but yet confirmed, that Hannibal handled Westminister in a scrimmage. If that is the case, this could be a tough one for the "Kids".
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 14, 2006, 07:42:05 pm
I've periodcally walked in for a few minutes during different practices. Coach seemed to know what he was talkin about so we will see come game time whether we are prepared or not. Remember, "Champions are made in the offseason"
GO BEAVERS!

Ive also paid a little attention to BC's guys this offseason, Im not saying they're in position to take the SLIAC or anything like that, but I will say that any team in the SLIAC will have their hands full when they play BC. This class is by far the hardest working and in the best shape (as a team), than in years past.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 14, 2006, 09:15:11 pm
you hit it on the nose when you asked the question about the new coach hopefan...blackburn hired a new coach coming off bad seasons at his previous school, so how does that qualify him for his current job? its all apart of blackburns administrations plans, slowly cut off each sport 1 by 1, make them have bad seasons so their will be next to no recruits wanting anything to do with your program..blackburn had potential to be DECENT this year, but after hiring a coach who is well below .500 at his previous school...hahaha good luck...

If research was done you would see that Chandler has actually done his fair share of winning in previous seasons. He has been coach of the year in previous years,  took his team to the NCAA tournament, and also coached his fair share of DIII All-Americans. Late in his stint @ Averett the school decided to change their admission requirements, which took a reported chunk out of his recruiting. Also, Averett was plaqued with some of the same problems as BC faces now as in retainment of players. Two years ago his only returning starter was called up to the Virgina Army/National Gaurd. Leaving him with one lone senior that saw minimum playing time the previous years.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on November 14, 2006, 11:10:34 pm
BeaverSID - I wouldn't worry about redrum much...he's probably some kid who is acting tough behind a screen name or maybe he tryed out the the team and got cut and now he's at home lickin his wounds.

Redrum - Don't piss off the Crazies, they have never EVER backed down...all I've got to say is BRING IT...North 27...I'll be waitin...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 15, 2006, 12:18:32 am
Just looking at the Basketball schedules on the SLIAC site. Most schools have really long layoffs over Christmas break. How do you think this will effect most squards?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 15, 2006, 01:44:46 am
Blackburn Hosts the North/South Classic which features Blackburn, Concordia, Greenville, and Dominican.

Since Blackburn's hosting, I'll reassess my earlier prediction and say that the Beavers have a chance to split this coming weekend. Home court can count for a lot, especially at the beginning of a season when the other two teams are taking long road trips to get there.

and hey, I have one more thing to say in a very serious  vein - D3 hoops is my passion - yes I take great abuse form my Billikin season ticketholder work mate,

I sure hope that you dish it out right back at him, Hopefan! Being a fan of D3 basketball is nothing to be ashamed of. This is basketball for the purists. Consider yourself one of the elite!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 15, 2006, 07:30:24 am
Mac has about 20 days between games in December. Play December 9 at Webster and December 29 in the Coaches vs. Cancer Classic in Georgia. Some of that is because of finals, but I think most of it is tradition, at least at MacMurray. Give the kids some time off to be with their families, heal up, and recharge their batteries for the second semester. Not sure how many D3 schools do it this way, but my guess is many of them do. That being said, a 20 day lay-off in any sport is significant. The teams they will be playing won't be facing the same thing. LaGrange will be looking at a 12 day break and Huntingdon will have been off 13 days. From the outside looking in, the Highlanders will be at a huge disadvantage, in terms of conditioning and game minutes. Mix in the long bus ride down there, I would imagine the team will be more than a little sluggish. I can remember coming back from Christmas break and dreading the first few practices. Legs felt like tree trunks and my lungs felt like they were on fire. Prime time for upsets. The Highlanders will practice several days before taking off for the tournament at LaGrange, but my sense is an almost three week lay-off is close to starting the season all over again. But these are 19, 20, 21 year old kids who bounce back pretty quickly - hope so.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 15, 2006, 07:36:24 am
Pat,

What would you think about adding a SLIAC "Pick Em" to the board this season. We have about half a dozen loyal posters and I think could add that many more once the season gets rolling. I would be willing to tablulate, starting this Friday night. If not, I guess we could incorporate into this link. Just let us know...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 15, 2006, 10:07:01 am
RE: Long Lay-offs

I didn't realize the long layoff for Greenville.  We take a month off between the Dec. 9 game v. Harris Stowe and January 9 game w/ Principia. Taking a look at our last 5 years worth or schedules and results, we have never had that long of layoff.  We normally play a Jan 2-3 game and we have the boys back before NYE.  We will have to shake the rust off.  Coming back and the first game being Prin in SLIAC play could be dangerour for the GC Panthers.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 15, 2006, 11:20:01 am
Max Attack - You guys are taking a bus all the way to Georgia? That's one ride I wouldn't want to take. I'm hoping for a heat wave in Florida over the holidays.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 15, 2006, 12:15:45 pm
fcnews - I assume Mac will bus it down there and back. Have not heard otherwise. Would be nice if the athletic dept. arranged for round trip airfare but I doubt that will happen. Without stops, it's about an 11 hour bus ride.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 15, 2006, 12:24:45 pm
Two seasons ago, we traveled to Atlanta, GA to play Piedmont & Atlanta Christian and to Kentucky to Play Eastern Kentucky.  We took what we call people movers or shuttle busses.  Well, actually 1.  They seat 14.  We took 10 players and 3 coaches.  A fun very uncomfortable trip.  I hope you have better travel arrangements!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 15, 2006, 01:18:25 pm
~The Long awaited Bc vs. IL-Weslyan Stats~

Sorry for the delay but here are the stats from the BC scrimmage!

Zeb Hammond- 2-8 from 3pt line, 6TP, 2 blocks, 2 Assists, and 4 Rebounds(O-2, D-2)
Zak Allen- 1-4, 2TP, 2 steals, 5 assists, 1 steal, and 5 rebounds (O-2, D-3)
Grant Lamsargis- 5-7, 11TP, 8 rebounds (O-5, D-3), and 1 assist
Leotis Howard- 8-11 overall, 4-4 from 3pt line, 1 def. rebound, 20TP, 1 assist, and 1 steal
Bryan Waters- 3-4 overall, 1-1 from 3pt line, 5 def. rebounds, 7TP

These were the starting five, they only played the first half! BC went on to lose 59-67 but what a showing.

Leotis seemed to be on fire the beginning of the game. In the first minute and a half maybe he racked up nine points. IL-Weslyan took a time out and this is a direct quote from an IL-Weslyan player
"Come on guys, you gotta stop him, hes got nine freakin' points already!"

From there on out IL-Weslyan showed why they are a well known program cutting and eventually taking the lead. BC stayed strong and hung in there, So good job guys!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 15, 2006, 01:23:58 pm
RE: Long Lay-offs

I didn't realize the long layoff for Greenville.  We take a month off between the Dec. 9 game v. Harris Stowe and January 9 game w/ Principia. Taking a look at our last 5 years worth or schedules and results, we have never had that long of layoff.  We normally play a Jan 2-3 game and we have the boys back before NYE.  We will have to shake the rust off.  Coming back and the first game being Prin in SLIAC play could be dangerour for the GC Panthers.


Wow, those are some long layoffs. BC's longest is only a 14 day stretch from Dec 16th to Dec 30th.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 15, 2006, 01:49:46 pm
Thanks to the annual event Coach's Classic Golf Tournament, our athletes travel well. All sports travel by chartered bus to all games. Each sport takes one extended trip. (ie: BBall - Florida, Volleyball - Virgin Islands, ect.) I beleive the Dinner auction, after the tournament this year, raised 15,000. It's alot of work, but Alumni, coaches, athletes, parents and friends make this a huge event

On the another subject - If you happen to run into Coach McKinney and he doesn't extend a hand to shake don't be offended. He had rotator cup surgery on his left a week before practices and his right is awaiting the same. The funny thing is, for all that know him, he can't coach without using his hands. Makes for painful bus rides home.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 15, 2006, 03:21:08 pm
Just got review on Hannibal, first they played Webster, not Westminister, and beat them by 25. Ouch!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 15, 2006, 03:44:24 pm
Stat Line from Greenville at Millikin (Scrimmage)

Greenville.....  32   24  -  56
Millikin...........  40  53  -  93

Greenville:  FG: 20-63 (31.7), 3FG: 8-20 (40.0), FT: 8-14 (57.1)
Millikin: FG: 34-65 (52.3), 3FG: 3-17 (17.6), FT: 22-32 (68.8)

Simmons: 6-16, 4 Reb, 15 Pts
Hensold: 3-8, 3 Reb, 8 Pts
Atchison: 2-9, 2 Reb, 8 Pts
Conquest: 5-17, 3 Reb, 14 Pts (5 Fouls)
Williams: 0-2, 4 Reb, 0 Pts (6 Fouls)

Bench
Hobbie: 2-4, 2 Reb, 5 Pts
Mutton: 2-6, 5 Reb, 6 Pts (6 Fouls)
Serba: 0-1, 1 Reb, 0 Pts

Millikin led by Rexroade with 13 (5-9 FG/5 Reb), Brock with 12 (5-8 FG), and Gensler/Long with 11 each.

Wrap-up:  Greenville got the big men (Mutton/Williams) in some foul trouble and turned into 22 points at the free throw line.  Doesn't matter though because sharp shooter Hensold shot 3-8 and Conquest at 5-17.  For Greenville to be successful, both Conquest and Hensold need to shoot 38-40% for the team to be successful down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 15, 2006, 03:46:57 pm
Millikin was only 3-17 from the 3's?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redrum on November 15, 2006, 04:33:44 pm
wow congrats beaverSTD...you still lost..iwu probably had their scrubs in the whole time anyways...scrimmages mean nothing..wait till the season starts...you will be too embarrased to be postin your teams stats...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BunchTime on November 15, 2006, 05:04:18 pm
Another Webster fan here...obviously as the name indicates!  I am anxious for the season to begin and see how my Gorloks do.  They have everyone back that made contributions to last year's team, excluding Basilio.  On paper, they seem very solid with another year of experience.  They return Hoggat, Spinner, and Kuhn -- any one of the three could lead the team in scoring on any given night!  After seeing some of the predictions for this weekend's tourney, I would be happy with 1-1, but boy, would it be nice to start 2-0 for a change.  I know, probably wishful thinking, but who knows what can happen if you get that first one!

Oh, and Redrum, please refrain from posting non-sense on this board as no cares to hear your unintelligent, immature banter.  And for the record, even if the Beavers played IWU's bench to a close game, it still holds merit since, in most years, IWU's bench would be a contender in the SLIAC.  Please do your homework before posting such non-sense.  And thanks for the update beaverSID!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on November 15, 2006, 05:17:33 pm
Redrum - you need hit with a tac-hammer cuz YOU'RE AN IDIOT...

I have nothing else to say till the season begins...see ya'll then!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 15, 2006, 07:46:03 pm
BunchTime _ Can you add anything about Webster's scrimmage with Hannilbal. Look forword to your updates on the Gorlock's.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BunchTime on November 15, 2006, 08:35:24 pm
fcnews, unfortunately I was not there and will not be able to attend a lot of the games.  I do, however, check this site frequently so I will be trying to get updates from everyone else (and box scores).  I will contribute as much as I can about the Gorloks, but more often than not I will be relying on others for SLIAC news.  I am glad to see a lot of action on this board this early in the season, and always, we should have a exciting season fulls of surprises.  It seems that those pre-season prediciton are never right, but for my sake, hopefully, this year they are on target as WU is predicted to win.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 15, 2006, 09:49:05 pm
-Redrum-

What is your problem w/ BC? Obviously you have some. And for someone that runs there mouth so much I havent heard anything from you on your team of choice, who might that be? Maybe your just a cracked player from getting heckled by the Joe Co Crazies. Did you come to the DOME and get owned? I never knew that fans could get into someones head that deep. On behalf of the Joe Co Crazies I would like to apologize for the retarded nature of Redrum. If psychiatric help is needed redrum Im sure BC will pick up the tab.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2006, 11:24:33 pm
Fcnews, when did Hannibal (I assume you mean Hannibal-LaGrange) play Webster? This link to their men's basketball page:

http://www.hlg.edu/athletics/schedule.php?id=5

shows that they have been playing games since November 1st, only one of which, on 11/4 vs Robert Morris-Springfield, is identified as an exhibition. If Webster had played them wouldn't it have to have been a scrimmage? And wouldn't it have to have been before Nov. 1st?

Help me out, please.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 15, 2006, 11:55:06 pm
Y_Jack - It was a scrimmage. Played in two straight halves. Basically a game. FU talked to WU asst. coach. Said that they (Hannibal) shot the ball extremely well.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 16, 2006, 07:32:18 am
Until Pat sets aside a seperate link for a SLIAC "Pick em" board, let's get one started right here. I'll tabulate, as long as everyone else agrees to jump in and correct my totals when I make mistakes. I know some of you have already made your picks earlier, but it would help me if everyone did it again so I won't have to scroll back. I guess the best way to do this (unless someone has a better idea) is to list the Monday thru Sunday games each week. Starting from last Monday thru this coming Sunday, here's the schedule. Please post your picks by noon Monday of each week if possible. Any ideas or suggestions (or help) will be deeply appreciated. Here we go:

Friday, November 17   
 Maryville vs Hanover @ Transylvania 6:00 PM
 Greenville vs Concordia @ Blackburn 6:00 PM
 Webster @ Transylvania  8:00 PM
 Westminster @ Rhodes 8:00 PM
 Eureka @ Manchester College 8:00 PM
 Lincoln Christian @ St. Louis Christian 7:30 PM
 Fontbonne @ Moody Bible TBA
 Blackburn vs Dominican 8:00 PM
   
  Saturday, November 18   
 Maryville @ Transylvania 3:00 PM
 Greenville vs Dominican @ Blackburn 4:00 PM
 Webster @ Hanover  1:00 PM
 Westminster vs Hendrix 3:00 PM
 Eureka vs UW-Eau Claire or Alma College 5 or 7 PM
 Millikin @ MacMurray 12 & 2
 Blackburn vs Concordia-River Forest 6:00 PM
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 16, 2006, 07:46:23 am
11/17
Hanover
Concordia
Transylvania
Rhodes
Manchester
St. Louis Christian
Fontbonne
Blackburn

11/18
Transylvania
Dominican
Webster
Hendrix
Eureka
MacMurray
Blackburn
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2006, 09:32:21 am
 Mac  -  correct  Fontbonne on your schedule and your pick  -  They open with Hannibal Lagrange on Friday, then play the winner of Moody Bible and Philly Bible on Saturday
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 16, 2006, 09:42:38 am
Thanks hopefan...I just copied/pasted from the SLIAC site. Here's the revised schedule for this week-end:

Friday, November 17   
Maryville vs Hanover @ Transylvania 6:00 PM
Greenville vs Concordia @ Blackburn 6:00 PM
Webster @ Transylvania  8:00 PM
Westminster @ Rhodes 8:00 PM
Eureka @ Manchester College 8:00 PM
Lincoln Christian @ St. Louis Christian 7:30 PM
Fontbonne vs. Hannibal-LaGrange @ Moody Bible TBA
Blackburn vs Dominican 8:00 PM
   
Saturday, November 18   
Maryville @ Transylvania 3:00 PM
Greenville vs Dominican @ Blackburn 4:00 PM
Webster @ Hanover  1:00 PM
Westminster vs Hendrix 3:00 PM
Eureka vs UW-Eau Claire or Alma College 5 or 7 PM
Millikin @ MacMurray 2:00 p.m.
Blackburn vs Concordia-River Forest 6:00 PM
Fontbonne vs. Moody Bible or Philly Bible @ Moody Bible TBA

Please let me know if there's any other mistakes with the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 16, 2006, 09:46:05 am
My updated picks...

November 17
Hanover
Concordia
Transylvania
Rhodes
Manchester
St. Louis Christian
Hannibal-LaGrange
Blackburn

November 18
Transylvania
Dominican
Webster
Hendrix
Eureka
MacMurray
Blackburn
Fontbonne
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 16, 2006, 09:50:37 am
Fcnews. Thanks for that info on the WU-Hannibal scrimmage. Do you know if it was played prior to November 1st, or more recently? If before 11/1 it would have been within the first two weeks of D3 practice, and Hannibal is an NAIA Division I school which had been practicing longer. So I guess I wouldn't read too much into it in relation to WU's prospects for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 16, 2006, 10:15:36 am
November 17th:

Hanover
Concordia (Ill.)
Transylvania
Rhodes
Manchester
St. Louis Christian
Fontbonne
Blackburn

November 18th:

Transylvania
Greenville
Hanover
Westminster (Mo.)
Eureka
Millikin
Blackburn
Fontbonne

Thats the SLIAC picks for the weekend via PantherPride06!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 16, 2006, 10:56:21 am
Boy, it's to early for me to think this much. I'm still trying to figure how much to pack for tonites trip to Chi Town. Here we go.
17th-------
Hanover
Concordia
Webster
Westminister
Manchester
LC - (If they don't win this one it will be a long year)
Hannibal -(with wins over Mo. Valley and Culver Stockton)
Blackburn

18th-------
Transy
Dominican
Hanover -(but close)
Westminister
Eureka
Millikin
Blackburn
Fontbonne

Some interesting match ups this weekend.
That's 8 SLIAC wins opening week end. That's better then our conference has performed in the past.


Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 16, 2006, 11:24:26 am
Anybody remember the game five degrees of seperation?
Try this one:
Butler has OCU down 20 with 5:00 to play.
Butler beats Notre Dame
Butler beats Indiana

Fontbonne has OCU down 20 with 5:00 to play
???????

Just kidding Guys
Y_Jack - I'm not sure of the WU date. NAIA does get an early jump. Every year in Chicago FU draws a team that has a handful of games under their belt. But, what a fun trip. We stay at Inn of Chicago, one block off Michigan Ave., and it's the same weekend every year that they have the parade and the lighting of the lights down Michigan Ave. And this weekend Ohio St v. Michigan, Whew!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 16, 2006, 12:20:49 pm
PantherPride is pulling for the underdog... if there is one...  I like Michigan in this one.  I think they can go into the horseshoe and get a win.

A SLIAC Special pick for Panther.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 16, 2006, 12:49:24 pm
FC says; "Take OSU and lay the 7"
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2006, 01:53:33 pm
Being a former resident of Holland Michigan, I will be rooting for the Big Blue this Saturday

Mac, sorry, I've decided I am not going to be a regular picker  -  though I have been posting alot in the last several days, I am cutting back some of my D3 activity, and getting caught up in Pick 'em, and trying to outsmart wily characters like FC, Mac and Panther would have me studying the stats more than I should....

Again... Best of luck to all SLIAC teams this weekend - hope to see us start the season on a positive note...
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 16, 2006, 03:43:03 pm
What is the world coming to when Hopfan bales?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 16, 2006, 03:44:43 pm
My picks for the week

Friday, November 17   
Hanover
Concordia
Transylvania
Rhodes
Manchester College
Lincoln Christian
Hannibal-LaGrange
Blackburn
   
Saturday, November 18   
Maryville
Dominican
Webster (Going to be a very close game)
Westminster
Eureka
Millikin
Blackburn
Fontbonne
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2006, 03:55:32 pm
no FC, I'm not gonna let you lure me in.....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 16, 2006, 04:01:55 pm
I'm w/ fcnews on this one.  :o Hopefan is bailing on us.  Unbelieveable.  I'll give him credit though.  He does travel to see a ton of teams play.  Just messin' hopefan!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 16, 2006, 04:27:10 pm
Just messing my butt!!!! Next we'll find out he's hang out at Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2006, 04:52:17 pm
wash u  -  only on the Friday nights that the SLIAC doesn't play!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 16, 2006, 04:58:20 pm
If you didn't know better, and I do, you'd have to think of a poor front runner. (MU down, no Hopefan.) But truly, how is coach myers enjoying retirement? I bet mixed emotions this time of year. Very classy individual that the SLIAC will miss.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 17, 2006, 08:29:16 pm
Hannibal-LaGrange 81 Fontbonne 78 OT
FU trailed 42-32 at half, was down 10 most of 2nd half. Made a run the last 5 minutes, capped by a 3 pt by McCoy to send to overtime. With the scored tied at 78 and 12 seconds to play Hannibal inbounded from their sidelines. With 9 seconds a Hannibal guard puts up a 35 footer and hits it( Darned this thing I've ever seen).

Fontbonne was lead by Trevor White w/20 pts.,Branch and Fogerty 14, McCoy 13. Storandt had 8 pts and 13 boards. FU was 10 - 20 from the 3's.

This was a very good Hannibal team. Maybe quicker then anyone we'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 17, 2006, 09:13:13 pm
Thanks for score and background, fcnews. Looks like Fontbonne will be right in the thick of the SLIAC chase.

Saw where Hanover defeated Maryville 78-64. That's what was posted on the Transylvania site. Hanover is pretty good, so I would assume this was a solid showing by a young Maryville team.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2006, 09:56:23 pm
Just got a call from down at Transy from Yjaklok  -  Maryville was down 20, cut it to 8 and ran out of steam.   Lo and behold as Yjak is talking to me, Maryville's Coach Rogers walks by and yjak gives him the phone  - Coach told me without mentioning names that things were upside down because his freshmen played well while he was disappointed in a couple of the upperclassmen  -  Yjak had mentioned that several starters saw little or no time in the 2nd half.


Webster getting kicked at half by Transy (down 14), yjak didn't sound too happy.  --  who's gonna get the first SLIAC win?  Too bad Fontbonne got nipped-  wonder what happened to Cortez Parker, whom FCnews did not mention with his scoring recap?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BunchTime on November 17, 2006, 10:22:00 pm
Just got word from Transy and the Gorloks lost by 15.  I should be recieving more info in a bit, which I will post if that is the case.  Perhaps, Yjak can shed some light on the game since he was in attendance!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BunchTime on November 17, 2006, 10:42:01 pm
Just got another word!  It sounds like the Gorloks had some first night jitters among other problems.  There scorers didn't play well and they struggled with Transy's pressure throughout the evening (18 turnovers to Transy's 6).  That usually spells trouble.  Hopefully they rebound tomorrow and get come away with a W!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 17, 2006, 11:51:50 pm
News from the North South Classic @ BC

Greenville loses to Concordia
Blackburn def. Dominican 57-52

Sorry no stats I forgot my box score at the office.

Blackburn lead by 10 @ the half, Dominican came out and cut the lead to either 1 or 2 straight out of the locker room on a couple BC turnovers. Dominican would keep the game close and eventually take the lead about halfway through the 2nd half. from there it was a great effort for BC to come back- the guys really showed some heart-, Greta games came out of Bryan Waters, Leotis Howard, and Zeb Hammond. Zak Allen had a good first half but neglected to score in the second half but he still contributed to his team with a few assists and steals.

GREAT JOB BC!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 18, 2006, 12:01:30 am
Greenville v. Concordia (Ill.)

Final 82-74 Concordia (Ill.)

Greenville lead by Ben Hensold (19), Christopher Simmons (17), and Bryson Taylor (16.)  Greenville struggled from the free throw line, shooting 11-19 (57.8).  On the other hand, Concordia (Ill.) shot 73% in the second half from the field and I think 58-59% on the game.  Score closer than it was.  Greenville made a surge at the end, making it a game in the last 2 mins, but not enough.  Panthers got in a 25 point hole early in the 2nd half.

For Concordia (lll.), Justin Gray led the way with 19.  Lafyette Bell had 16, Ryan Ward with 13, and Ryan Young with 11.  For future opponents of Concordia, they are turnover proned.  I had them statted at 29.  If you can score on their mistakes, you'll be good.

On another note, Beaver_SID, nice meeting you tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 18, 2006, 12:14:01 am
Pantherpride,

Also a pleasure,

I myself would like to say congrats on one hell of a surge on at the end, I think it was like 10-12 in the final minute and a half! Great job guys, It looked like shoots just wouldn't fall for em tonight. Also, Congrats to Hensold on one hell of a game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2006, 12:52:53 am
Don't forget to log in and post your score, BeaverSID.

http://www.d3hoops.com/data_entry/
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 18, 2006, 07:12:21 am
Looks like Eureka lost a tough one, 62-55 vs. Manchester.

St. Louis Christian beats Lincoln Christian 84-61.

Rough night for the SLIAC, but several very competitive games. Let's hope for better luck this afternoon and tonight.

Best wishes to all SLIAC teams and fans.



Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 18, 2006, 09:32:13 am
Thanks Beaver_SID.  The big key for Greenville is the same as the last couple years.  We like to be in a semi-close game at half, 36-43 v. Concordia (Ill.).  Then we dig ourselves into a huge hole starting the 2nd half.  We tend to give the opponent a 18-20 point cushion then we start to play.  I can't count the times we did that last year and made a surge at the end.  You just cannot win ball games like that.  With 8:42 left in the 2nd Half, Concordia (Ill.) calls a time out.  At that point, they had outscored Greenville 20-8.  11 minutes in, we had 8 points.  That's just stuff that we can't have happen.

The Beavers looked pretty good in the 1st half v. Dominican.  We didn't stay for the 2nd but I hope we can get a W over Dominican.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2006, 11:27:22 am
Just to finish off Friday reporting, Westminster wins vs Rhodes @ Rhodes, 77-74....   that's a good win for the SLIAC  ...  I believe they'll go for an SCAC sweep vs Hendrix tonight.

So the SLIAC goes 2-6 the first night
surprizes or disappointments - I guess I'd say Webster, though they were playing top flight competition, I wish they had been more competitive - they are a veteran squad, though still starting mostly underclassmen, I'd like to see my preseason SLIAC no 1 team play better than that.  I would have been disappointed in Fontbonne's loss, but FCnews prepared us that Hannibal was good.  and ugh, LCC must be pretty sorry to lose by more than 20 to St L christian.
On the other hand, very good win on the road for Westminster
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 18, 2006, 03:05:06 pm
Fontbonne has a walk the final was FU 95 Moody 83. FU led at half 57 - 35. Held a sizeable lead till last few minutes. FU's bench saw lots time. FU was lead by Parker with 25( 18 in the 1st ), White had 22, McCoy 19, Fogerty 15. FU shot 10/19 from the 3's. FU for the game shot 57% (53 from 3's) and 72% from the line.

Should of been a 2-0 weekend.


Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BunchTime on November 18, 2006, 03:47:26 pm
Word from Transylvania.... Gorloks defeated Hanover 84-82 in overtime!!  A good team effort all around.  Sophomore Ryan Turk led Webster with 25 points (6-8 from 3), while Kuhn and Hoggat had 16 a piece.  Spinner added 11 with a critical steal late in the game that was decisive in sending the game to OT.  The Gorloks showed some resiliancy by overcoming a very late 5 point deficit in regulation and also a 4 point deficit in OT.  From the sounds of things, 11 people played and all contributed in some fashion.  A strong win on the road for Webster over a traditionally strong Hanover team.  Hopefully, the Gorloks can build on this victory.  Congrats boys!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2006, 04:17:52 pm
Great win for Webster - one thing I heard that Bunchtime did not mention was great defensive effort in last 10 seconds of OT to prevent Hanover from getting a good shot for the tie or win. 

This is the level I hoped Webster  could play at this year - and a real next step accomplished for the SLIAC to defeat a perenial D3 power (though possibly down a little this year).  Way to go Gorlocks
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BeastMaster on November 18, 2006, 08:36:20 pm
Mac Lost to Millikin 88-76.  Millikin was up 30 about midway through the 2nd half.  Mac was not prepared with staff for this game because there was no one running the stat program and there were times when the game clock would not start or the shot clock would not reset. 

Not as close as the final score indicated, but Mac in my opinion, is much better off playing the way they played today.  I think that they will probably be middle of the pack in the SLIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 18, 2006, 09:26:50 pm
gobigblue and I must have been at two different games. First, Millikin never led by 30. Second, this was a terrific game in the second half. First half was x-rated for MacMurray. Too many turnovers, two many missed free throws, and too many defensive lapses. Highlanders only had eight points the first ten minutes of the game. Millikin led by 14 about seven minutes into the game, and it stayed at about 14 until the last minute of the first half when Millikin turned some turnovers into layups. Mac trailed 40-20 at the half. Big Blue pushed the lead to 25 early in second half, but then fell completely apart. Mac twice had a chance to cut it to single digits with about five minutes to go but couldn't hit their free throws. Mac's press stole the ball three or four straight times and converted them into points. Millikin, who was clearly rattled, hit a bunch of free throws the last two minutes to give them the 12 point win. Millikin had their starters on the floor the entire second half and they nearly blew it. Gensler hit a three to start the game, and that was about it for him until the last five minutes when he broke down the press for a couple of lay-ups and hit about 5-6 free throws. Korte Long, who had something like 19 points and 18 rebounds last year against Mac, was pretty much a no-show. Played hard when he wanted to, and coasted when he wanted to. Jerel Robertson had a terrific game for MacMurray, as did Farrid Coleman, Seth Whalum, and Brady Greene. Had MacMurray not dug itself into such a deep hole the first ten minutes of this game, it would have gone down to the last shot. Mac was clearly in much better condition than Millikin - several Big Blue players were grabbing their shorts and staring at the floor down the stretch. If/when Mac can put 40 minutes together, they're going to be pretty good. Hettinga is doing a terrific job with the players. Next up is Monmouth next Tuesday in Jacksonville.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 18, 2006, 09:38:08 pm
Results from the BC vs. Dominican Game


Let me just say what a game, HEATED, semi-poor officialing, but it worked out in BC favor. Blackburn defeates DOM 66-60.

Leotis Howard with 12pts, 7rebs, 4 assists, 1 steal, shot 5-13
Zeb Hammond with 27pts, 2rebs, 1 assist, 1 blk, 1 steal, shot 10-11
Bryan Waters with 8pts, 5rebs, 6assists, shot 2-9 and 4-4 from FT
Zak Allen with 5pts, 3rebs, 3 assists, 2 steals, shot 2-5
BC shots 45% on the night, 56% from 3pt, and 60% from FT

DOM
Lafeyette Bell with 24pts, 4rebs, 1 assist, 2blks, 1 steal, and shot 9-10 and 4-4 from FT
Justin Gray with 14pts, 5rebs, 1 assist, 1 steal, shot 5-13 and and 3-6 from FT

Very close game came down to the wire! Great Game Guys!

Pantherpride,
Sorry to see Greenville fall short.
Great games by Simmons(14) and 5 steals, Hensold(14), Atchison(12), and Williams(11)

CUC
Binyamin Jones- 20pts, 16rebs, 3 assists, 1blk
This guy had an incredible game!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 18, 2006, 09:57:29 pm
Beaver_SID got his teams mixed up.  Greevnille played Dominican (Ill.) and lost 74-80.

Greenville's key was to come out quick tonight.  Turnovers hurt GC in the first half as the Panthers tabulated 13 (my stats.)  39-31 halftime score in favor of the starts.

Greenville kicked the second half off with 3 straight buckets off 3 Dominican turnovers and cut the lead to two.  However, Greenville never could get over that hump.  Greenville had it as close as one at 70-69 (I believe.)  A great effort for a second night by Greenville, but came up just a bit short.

Greenville was led by Christopher Simmons and Ben Hensold with 14 each.  Simmons also had 5 steals and two assist.  Hensold was 7-8 from the charity stripe and had three boards.  Darin Williams had a breakout game, playing BIG in the second half, scoing 11 points and five boards.  Bryson Taylor played 23 minutes and only had 3 points, but was the Panthers leading rebounder with 7.

Stat Line for Dominican:

Binyamin Jones: 20 points, 16 rebounds (ouch).
Dan Borys: 15 points, 7-7 from the field.
Matt Stahl: 16 points.

Greenville: 30-61 (49.2%) FG, 3-11 (27.3%) 3FG, 11-15 (73.3%) FT
Dominican: 25-57 (43.9%) FG, 6-21 (28.6%) 3FG, 24-31 (77.4%) FT

I think if the Panthers can play like they did v. Dominican and in the last five minutes on the Concordia game, Greenville could be better than I first thought.  Ellis and West both seen some big minutes the last two nights.  Those two guys can be big role players for the Panthers if they keep working.  The Panthers have a decent little core of guys in Hensold, Simmons, Taylor, Conquest, Mutton, and Williams.  If West and Ellis can produce and give some quality minutes  and Atchison can be a good role player, the Panthers might sneek up on some people and be higher than 8th.

GO GREENVILLE!!!!  I'm pretty excited for being 0-2.  McKendree on Tuesday for the Panthers... ouch.  Havent won in I think 19 straight games v. Harry Statham and the boys.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2006, 11:49:41 pm
All in all one of the better non conference weekends for the SLIAC in a long time.
Projected leaders all show promise
Webster bounces back to beat Hanover, Blackburn and Westminster sweep, Eureka and Fontbonne both win Saturday after tough Friday losses.  Panther says there is still hope for Greenville, ditto the Mac Attack for Mac Murray, and I like the fact that Coach Rogers already may be moving towards a youth movement at Maryville.   

A promising start for the SLIAC

Don't forget, if you're doing nothing else, go to Wash U on Tuesday night and root for Blackburn -  somewhere along the line, one of our teams has to beat  da Bears!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 19, 2006, 08:02:39 am
I echo hopefan's sentiments - pretty darn good opening week-end for the SLIAC. Combination of victories and promise implies the SLIAC may be ready to step up a notch or two. Here's the standings after Week #1 (still not too late to get in hopefan...), in order of correct picks:

BeaverSID 13
FCNews 13
Mac Attack 13
PantherPride 12

Tighter than a two-dollar watch....

Here's the Week #2 schedule, according to the SLIAC site. Please have your picks in by noon Monday:

Monday, November 20   
Great Lakes Christian @ Lincoln Christian 6:00 PM
   
Tuesday, November 21   
Greenville @ McKendree 7:00 PM
Principia @ St. Louis Pharmacy 7:00 PM
Knox @ Eureka  7:30 PM
Monmouth @ MacMurray 6:30 PM
Blackburn @ Washington U 8:00 PM
   
Saturday, November 25   
Reinhardt College @ Maryville 7:00 PM
Milwaukee School of Engineering @ Webster 2:00 PM
Principia @ Hendrix TBA
Grinnell @ MacMurray 1:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Blackburn 3:00 PM
   
Sunday, November 26   
Milwaukee School of Engineering @ Maryville 1:00 PM
Rheinhardt @ Webster 2:00 PM
Principia @ Hendrix TBA

If any games need to be added to the schedule or if there were any mistakes in the Pick 'em, please let me know.

Everyone have a safe and meaningful Thanksgiving celebration.

Mac Attack
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 19, 2006, 10:22:32 am
BunchTime requested some more light shed on the Webster-Transy game. Transy is a very quick team that plays tough, tough defense making it difficult to get open shots -- thus Webster's low shooting percentage. After a made basket Transy pressed the inbounds pass off and on throughout the game and they trap very effectively on the wings, making passing difficult and creating a number of turnovers. If anyone remembers last year's Webster-Transy game Transy did the same thing only with even better results, holding Webster to 10 points in the first half and 33 for the game. And don't forget that Transy went to the Elite Eight last year. Even though they lost some talent they clearly had plenty in reserve. In Kentucky they live and breathe basketball. All but 3 of Transy's players are from Kentucky and 2 of those are from Indiana, where they also live and breathe basketball.

As for the Webster-Hanover game I think Coach Bunch deserves tons of credit for one of the best coached games I've ever seen. The game was close throughout and he saved all of his time outs until the final 4-5 minutes, then used them very effectively at the end. He did a great job of getting his better defensive players in when Hanover had the ball, then getting them out when Webster had the ball. This was primarily done by replacing Kuhn and Hoggat on defense with sophomore Doug Stiegemeier and freshman Josue Whitcomb (very quick hands), then getting Kuhn and Hoggat back in on offense. A truly outstanding coaching job that was key to the win.

A big plus for Webster was 78% free throw shooting for the two games. If they can keep that up it will go a long way to making for a successful season. Webster also out rebounded Transy. I haven't seen the rebounding stats for the Hanover game.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 19, 2006, 10:31:53 am
Just found a Webster-Hanover box score. Hanover won the battle of the boards 33-30.

Also interesting about this game was the slow start. Not may points scored in the first 7-8 minutes. Then things picked up a bit and the fist half ended 31-27 Hanover. The score at the end of regulation was 76-76. It was a very exciting second half and overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BunchTime on November 19, 2006, 01:55:35 pm
Thanks Yjack on the update; very nice job.  Sounds like Coach Bunch was in typical Bunch form with his tactical and strategic moves late in the game.  I believe everyone knows that he gets his kids to play hard and demands his players win, but his substitution strategies towards the end of games has allowed him to steal a few W's along the way also.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 19, 2006, 02:44:21 pm
One last observation about the Webster-Hanover game. It was the mirror image of last year's game where Webster had the lead in the final minute. Hanover put on a full court press, got a couple of turnovers and made buckets to tie the score, then won by 3 in overtime. This year it was Webster down in the final minute, putting on the press, getting the steal, tying the score, and winning in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BunchTime on November 19, 2006, 03:54:07 pm
Good observation....perhaps the extra year of leadership and maturity has paid off!!!  I know it is early, but hopefully that game is indicative of things to come for Webster this year.  Since there are so many close games throughout a year, the teams with good records are the ones that win many of the close games!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 19, 2006, 05:08:05 pm
My picks for Week #2:

11/20
Great Lakes Christian

11/21
McKendree
Principia
Eureka
MacMurray
Wash U

11/25
Maryville
Webster
Hendrix
MacMuuray
Blackburn

11/26
MSE
Webster
Hendrix



Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 19, 2006, 08:05:21 pm
Week #2 Picks from Panther...

Monday, November 20  
Great Lakes Christian
  
Tuesday, November 21  
McKendree
Principia
Eureka
Monmouth
Washington U (I'd like to see a close one)
  
Saturday, November 25  
Maryville
Milwaukee School of Engineering
Hendrix
Grinnell
Rose-Hulman
  
Sunday, November 26  
Maryville
Webster
Hendrix

Little in mourning right now.  I am a die-hard Colts fan.  Losing to TO really burns my backside... just a little rumbling from me. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on November 19, 2006, 10:16:20 pm
I'll agree with SID, poor officiated game. But it worked out in our favor so obviously I shouldn't complain too much.
When Concordias coach got a T, that was iceing on the cake, so I'm not really sure what he was thinking.
Either way, great weekend of ball and the Beaver are starting out the season 2-0, play hard at Wash U and we just MAY be 3-0...
Disappointed in the student section, defintely not anything close to it was last year...hopefully we'll get them goin and we can go back to being the top student section in the SLIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 19, 2006, 11:20:12 pm
Picks-
Mon.
GLC

Tuesday
McKenndree
Pharmacy
Eureka
Monmouth
Wash U

Saturday
MU
Webster
Austin
Grinnell
Blackburn

Sunday
MSE
Webster
Hendrix



Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 19, 2006, 11:36:34 pm
Sorry for the Mistake in Saturdays post it was a very long night, and Greenville's media list is a mile long!

Monday, November 20   
Great Lakes Christian
   
Tuesday, November 21   
McKendree
St. Louis Pharmacy
Eureka
Monmouth
Washington U
   
Saturday, November 25   
Maryville
Webster
Hendrix
Grinnell
Blackburn
   
Sunday, November 26   
Milwaukee School of Engineering
Webster
Hendrix
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 20, 2006, 04:27:57 am
Great win for Webster - one thing I heard that Bunchtime did not mention was great defensive effort in last 10 seconds of OT to prevent Hanover from getting a good shot for the tie or win. 

This is the level I hoped Webster  could play at this year - and a real next step accomplished for the SLIAC to defeat a perenial D3 power (though possibly down a little this year).  Way to go Gorlocks

Hanover should be way down from what they were over the past three or four seasons, especially early on. I think that they graduated all of last year's starters, and 12 of the 17 players listed on the roster for the Panthers are freshmen. Nevertheless, that's a nice win for Webster.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 20, 2006, 06:56:43 am
Holy mackeral  -  just noticed that the Webster/Maryville games this weekend are Saturday night/Sunday afternoon  -  I had made out a schedule and listed them as Friday night/Saturday afternoon, meaning with weekend travels I'd miss both - but now, with wife's permission, I think I can hit a game at both times!!!  -  a brighter outlook for the Holiday weekend.

Great game reporting from our correspondents this weekend - let's keep it up on Tuesday when several games are played - also good luck to LCC vs Great Lakes Christian tonite - hopefully a chance for a win. 

Very anxious to see personnel decisions Coach Rogers makes for Maryville this weekend, and how some of the guys react.  In particular, can Mike Turpen bounce back from an abysmal start....   Mike had some great games last year before his knees started troubling him, and has yet to show the dramatic streak shooting that had identified his game since then.  Mike could play the same kind of game that Ben Hebl played for the Saints, but he has to get himself on track or pt may no longer be available.

Also anxious to see if Blackburn  can compete with Wash U -  They will be badly outsized, and will likely need some hot perimeter shooting to stay in the game  -  hope to see Allen pick up his scoring.  Blackburn SID - will you be there? At the table?  Look for Hopefan with a Hope hat on - will try to remember to wear my Blackburn Beavers teeshirt  that the guys gave me last year....   Crazies, I want to hear that "where is hopefan" cheer prior to the game!!!!!!   And Blackburn AD, hope we can be buddies this year
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 20, 2006, 02:03:26 pm
I just found out that Principia will be playing Austin College in the Saturday night game. Principia is in a four-team classic in Conway, Arkansas. If anyone wants to revise their picks for that game, go ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver_SID on November 20, 2006, 05:05:27 pm
Hopefan-

Sorry I wont be making this trip, Homework and classes are coming down to the wire here. I do wish our guys luck, they're going against a very tough Wash U. team and will be definite underdogs going into it. Lets hope coach decides to use our speed and wear their big guys down a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dynasty22 on November 20, 2006, 05:14:01 pm
Hopefan - I would luv to meet up with you at the Wash U game but Tuesday is the beginning of our Thanksgiving break and I will be making my 3hr drive home from Blackburn.
However, let me know when you will making a trip here and I will gladly be willing to meet up again! We may need you to give some words of encouragement to the Crazies because the new guys are slacking and need someone like you to explain to them how awesome we were last year!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redrum on November 20, 2006, 05:17:39 pm
hopefan why wouldl you want to see the idiot crazies from blackburn....its not worth your time...they have big heads now after winnin there first 2 games but guess what..its easy to win at home..it all goes downhill from here on out...
blackburns players are used to shooting when its dark in their gym, but they cant shoot when they leave...stats prove that...just quit not and not get your hearts broken later cuz im right..
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 20, 2006, 06:36:47 pm
redrum.  Why don't you go drum someplace else.  Quit hating. No one else here talking stupid crap.  Just because you are a low life that has nothing else to do, don't ruin it for the rest of us.  Go bark up someone elses tree.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BunchTime on November 20, 2006, 06:59:11 pm
You continue to prove your idiocy redrum!  Too bad there are not more fans in this conference like Blackburn's and regardless of any teams record.  Fans like Blackburn's help create somewhat of an atmosphere in this conference, and in the SLIAC it is badly needed, so keep it up crazies!!!  And for you redrum, go find a pickup game at the local YMCA or something and quit sulking about getting cut from the team or for that matter being a the kid who picked last on the playground your whole life!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 20, 2006, 07:29:22 pm
My advice to all the serious posters on this site is to ignore and not respond to redrum's rants. A response is exactly what he (or she) wants. I suspect redrum consumes too much of him (or her) self -- red rum.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 20, 2006, 10:44:21 pm
I have returned from the North. My very first time to Chicago when it wasn't windy, pretty nice weather for this time of year.

After the immediate dissapointment of the loss to HLG, these three games by FU have shown me the future is very bright in Griffin Nation. Top six players are three Freshmen and three Sophmores and five have scored 20. FU does have the srongest youth movement this conference has seen in quite awhile. Kudo's to FU for two strong recruiting classes. White is averaging 22 for the two reg. season games. Branch can flat out shoot and scored against two good teams (OCU and HLG). Parker may be the fastest man with the ball in the SLIAC this year. This kid id fun to watch. For the sophmores, McCoy is shooting a much higher % now that Parker has taken over the point. Storandt is avg. 7 and 11 after two games. Plus, Fogerty was All Tourney and is drawing ALOT of defensive attention.

I like FU's non- conference tests. HLG, Rose Hulman, Wash U and Tampa on the road and an unknown with Fisk at home. FU has a road match at GC (a place that FU plays well) and EU at home for the first time sets up well for the purple and gold going into January.

Very nice showing by all teams this weekend. Congrats
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 21, 2006, 12:25:50 am
Fontbonne (on Monday 11/27) and Webster (on Tuesday 11/28) should be very wary of Fisk. I listened to my alma mater, Randolph-Macon (no slouch of a program), lose to Fisk last year. I remember the broadcasters commenting on Fisk's quickness and I especially remember one sequence in which they stole the ball on three successive R-MC possessions and got fast break lay ups. Watch your backs, fellas, or these guys will pick your pocket.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 21, 2006, 07:46:00 am
From last night...

Lincoln Christian defeats Great Lakes Christian 89-55. Congrats to the Preachers on their first win of the 2006-2007 season!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2006, 10:05:23 am
Did a little research on Reinhart College, an NAIA school in Georgia that is coming up to play Webster and Maryville this weekend - While they were well under 500 last year, they appear to have gotten better this year.  Their Web site did not list their scores, but fortunately all their opponents have good pages with scores  -  Reinhart appears to currently be 6 - 3 - have won some close high scoring games ( they opened beating former D3 school SCAD Savavannah College of Art & Design, 90 - 87), and they won one of the two tourneys they've been in.  As Y jak said about Fisk, this is another unknown on the schedule that MU and WU better take very seriously.  I'm afraid my Maryville guys could be in for another tough weekend.

In the mean time, I'm pumped for tonite's game with Blackburn @ Wash U  -  too bad the timing of Tuesday before Thanksgiving will apparently limit the number of BC fans in attendance....  FC, Bunch time, you should come over and join Y Jak and me.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 21, 2006, 10:21:31 am
A quick correction for hopefan. Fontbonne and Webster play Fisk next Monday and Tuesday respectively. The other opponent this weekend for MU and WU (other than Reinhardt) is Milwaukee School of Engineering.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2006, 10:33:27 am
y jak   I didn't mean to imply that Fisk was other opponent this weekend  -  I was aware of MSOE this weekend  (another pretty decent program by the way) and Fisk in town on Monday/tuesday .....  I was just lumping Fisk/Reinhart as unknown entities to most of us who appear to be pretty good....  I will say, most of the Sliac Schools are really stepping up their schedules....
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 21, 2006, 10:42:36 am
Guys- I noticed Reinhart's success also. To bad it was after I made my picks. Biggest problem in facing this type of NAIA teams at this time of the year is the games played. Any team that has played 6-8 games prior to playing you has an advantage. It is in-game experience. That was one of the problems FU faced in their game against HLG.

I am unable to attend tonites contest. Should be very interesting game. Guy's please update me when possible.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 21, 2006, 06:59:17 pm
Good Luck to the Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 21, 2006, 11:29:16 pm
Final from Lebanon, Ill.

Greenville 59, McKendree 82 (F)

Greenville really played with heart in the first half.  Big play at the end of the half cut the Bearcat lead to 10 at the break (40-30).  The second half was a flood of scoring for McKendree.  Panthers outscored 42-29 in the second frame. 

Greenville
Simmons 2-7, 5 reb, 12 points
West 3-12, 3 reb, 7 points
Hensold 6-13, 2 reb, 12 points
Taylor 2-5, 6 reb, 5 points
Mutton 1-4, 5 reb, 2 points

Bench Notes
Hobbie 3-4, 8 points
Ellis 2-9, 3 reb, 7 points

McKendree Notes
Eric Palm 7-11, 18 pts
Mike Strobbee 6-8, 12 reb, 14 pts
Nick Livas 7-12, 8 reb, 19 points

Greenville: 22-36 (34.9) FG // 4-14 (28.6) 3FG // 11-19 (57.9) FT // 35 Rebs
McKendree: 33-64 (51.6) FG // 5-17 (29.4) 3PG // 11-19 (57.9) FT // 48 Rebs

Hey fellas, I'm off to Indiana.  Have a great Thanksgiving.  Give thanks to God... and the basketball God.  :)  Ill be on occasionally.  Good luck to the SLIAC schools with games over break.  We'll see you all next week.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2006, 11:34:30 pm
THUD!!!  Wash U 79, Blackburn 43        Blackburn never in it, Wash U's inside game killed them, and when Blackburn played with some energy in the first half, they shot poorly  -  dead on their feet in the second half.   While SLIAC teams can't match the size and atleticism of Wash U's big men, the SLIAC teams that are able to pound it inside are going to be very problematic for Blackburn.  Blackburn has some good speed and quickness, but a limited bench may slow down their running game.   The new coach... first impression .. a very quiet fellow
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 21, 2006, 11:56:38 pm
For those interested: Reinhardt 72 Jacksonville St. 95
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 22, 2006, 12:12:06 am
Monmouth 92   MacMurray 86

Tough, tough loss for the Highlanders. In Mac's first 12 possessions, they had 8 turnovers. Got down by nine early, then cut it to about four at the half. Mac broke from the gate quick in the second half and grabbed a 59-50 lead with about nine minutes left. Monmouth hit some big shots and Mac just couldn't hang on. Compton, Greene, and Whalum had terrific games for Mac. Greene really shut down Terwelp in the post, despite giving up a couple of inches and about 25 pounds. Whalum and Compton's shooting in the second half sparked the comeback. Mac could have and maybe should have won this game, but just couldn't get over the hump. Too many breakdowns in the half court defense, especially dribble penetration by Monmouth's guards, really hurt Mac. More on this tomorrow, but Mac's seniors really need to step up and contribute more when they have the chance. Grinnell comes to town Saturday and that will be a tough one.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 22, 2006, 07:33:08 am
From the SLIAC website:

Tuesday, November 21   
MBB17 McKendree d. Greenville 82-59
MBB18 St. Louis Pharmacy d. Principia 68-60
MBB19 Eureka d. Knox  83-78
MBB20 Monmouth d. MacMurray 92-86
MBB21 Washington U d. Blackburn 78-43
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2006, 08:23:08 am
Tough night for the SLIAC men - congrats to newcomer Eureka for getting a win... but if you think the guys feel bad, check out the SLIAC ladies last night....
Maryville ladies play tough but lose to NAIA Mo Bap by 12.     BUT,  Fontbonne loses to DePauw by 65, Blackburn loses to Wash u by 63, and Webster lose to Millikin by 62----- These are D3 schools losing to D3 schools  -  maybe there does need to be a D4.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on November 22, 2006, 10:49:40 am
Hopefan, it was indeed it was a tough night for the SLIAC women.  Webster actually lost to Millikin by 61 I believe, it was IWU they lost to by 62. . . the very next night (not that it really matters).  This might be a long year for Lady Gorlok BBall now 0-3.  Ill be around from time to time, but I cannot honestly say how many games I will be attending.  Personal matters take precedance and I have alot of situations lately.  Bunchtime, give me a holla when you get the chance. 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 22, 2006, 10:59:32 am
We've had a Daryl Drive by! What's up Mr. Lloyd? How's life your corner of the world? Hope big brother is doing well. How's our future lawyer freind doing?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 22, 2006, 11:08:06 am
Fontbonne (on Monday 11/27) and Webster (on Tuesday 11/28) should be very wary of Fisk. I listened to my alma mater, Randolph-Macon (no slouch of a program), lose to Fisk last year. I remember the broadcasters commenting on Fisk's quickness and I especially remember one sequence in which they stole the ball on three successive R-MC possessions and got fast break lay ups. Watch your backs, fellas, or these guys will pick your pocket.

FYI, this is a rebuilding year for Fisk.  We graduated 4 starters from last year's team, including the guard (Chris Adams) who made those 3 successive steals.   We are off to an (0-2) this season so far.  And after Fisk leaves St. Louis I would not be surprised if we are (0-5)!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 22, 2006, 11:35:17 am
Wilburt- Thanks for your imput. The Fisk website does not contain much content. Who have they played so far this year?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 22, 2006, 11:42:28 am
Fisk is going through some changes in the Athletic Department so bear with us on the website thing.  We have a new AD and basketball coach for both the men's and women's teams. So there are some adjustment issues.

So far we have lost to NAIA Crichton and D1 Belmont (who played in the D1 NCAA tourney last season).  Hence, our (0-2) record.  We play D1 Lipscomb on Saturday which would make us (0-3) and after we return from St. Louis I expect us to be (0-5)!

For what it is worth, there is some talk of rejoining the SIAC (of which Fisk was a charter member in 1913) and going D2 in the next year or so contingent upon a number of variables.
 
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 22, 2006, 11:51:20 am
Thanks for the info Wilburt. I'll give you a complete wrap up after Monday nites game. Don't be to quick with the 0-5. FU is going through a rebuilding stage also.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 22, 2006, 01:51:58 pm
MacMurray had six players in double figures last night. Hard to imagine having six players in double figures and losing...

Whalum 17 pts
Coleman 16 pts and 6 assists
Compton 13 pts
Robertson 12 points
Greene 11 pts & 12 rebounds
Schmidt 10 pts

Lots of encouraging news on offense. Point guards combined for 33 pts, including 7-12 3-pt shots; free throw shooting was much improved (15-18); 11-21 from 3-pt land; and Compton/Greene/Robertson really stepped up. Bad news is three key seniors - Hipshir, Kowa and Huff - combined for five points and eight rebounds in 36 minutes. We really need those three players to come on, and I think they will. Right now I think they're going through an adjustment period with our new coach. My sense is better days are ahead. Mac also had 24 turnovers, including eight in the first 12 possessions. Just a horrible start. Even though undersized and outweighed, the rebounds were even at 33 each, which illuminates the importance of our upperclassmen contributing more at both ends of the floor. Saw where Grinnell lost 118-106 at home last night to Carthage. I'm afraid MacMurray won't many (if any) games if they give up more than 80 points. Just don't have that much firepower inside or outside. Also saw where Illinois College gave Illinois Wesleyan a run for their money last night, losing 75-70. Mac and IC played each other in a scrimmage a couple of weeks ago and the score was almost even...

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2006, 04:00:36 pm
To those who are commenting on SLIAC women's games, just a reminder that there is a separate place for that. I posted a reply there to the comments made by hopefan this morning, should anyone be interested.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 22, 2006, 07:05:57 pm
To all those traveling, make it a safe one. I think we all agree, win or lose we all have alot to be thankful for.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2006, 02:51:26 am
To those who are commenting on SLIAC women's games, just a reminder that there is a separate place for that. I posted a reply there to the comments made by hopefan this morning, should anyone be interested.

And don't put too much stock in women's games if you're going to put forth the "D4" idea. There tends to be a much greater imbalance in women's basketball than in men's basketball, because whereas men's basketball is considered to be a "prestige" sport at every school, the amount of emphasis put on women's basketball varies widely from school to school. Some schools have minimal staffing for their women's coaching positions, or give their coaches neither the time nor the resources to recruit for the sport. Heck, some schools will take any warm body that shows up for practice, or will even "recruit" for the team by putting up posters in the women's dorms.

Because of this huge variance in emphasis, you're much more likely to see lopsided scores in women's basketball than in the men's version of the sport. Don't be too alarmed by it. That's especially true when you're competing against D3 women's hoops powerhouses such as Wash U, Millikin, and DePauw.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2006, 09:44:56 am
Tuesday was ugly for SLIAC teams, with an interesting weekend coming up.  Webster and Maryville both will get competitve games from Reinhart and MSOE, Blackburn will be helped with their homecourt vs a solid Rose Hulman team, and who knows how many points might be scored with the Mac Grinnell game -  not a game there that the SLIAC can't win, but on the other hand, nary a game that is a given win.  A great early season indicator.

Prin plays down at Hendrix - who knows with that, but I see two losses there.

Hope to be back in time to see Maryville Reinhart on Saturday night -
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 24, 2006, 12:16:32 pm
Wilburt - Do you know where we might be able to get a roster for Fisk?
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on November 24, 2006, 12:59:32 pm
Here's what I found on Fisk from the Belmont website...just names and numbers, but better than nothing...

## Player Name           
33 GLAZE, Michael
52 BRIGHT, Marcus
40 HALL, Goldie
03 HAMILTON, Aaron
20 MITCHELL, Deitrick..
10 WATSON, Brandon.....   
12 PATTON, Marquis Jr..   
24 BENNETT, Cedrice....   
25 JACKSON, Girard.....   
30 PEARSON, Thurloo....   
32 SAVOY, Wesley.......   
34 PILLOW, Jonathan....   
   
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 24, 2006, 03:12:39 pm
Here are links to the box scores of Fisk's first two games:

http://www.crichton.edu/athletics/men_basketball/06_Box/fisk1_06.html

http://www.belmontbruins.com/athletics/mensbasketball/0607stats/bel04.htm?newsId=262

A few interesting things: (1) the player wearing #24 has a different name in the two games; (2) #34, Pillow, shot 7-15 (3-5 3 pointers) against Crichton but was 0-13 (0-3 3 pointers) against Belmont; (3) #12, Patton, started and scored 19 points against Crichton on 7-12 field goals (1-5 3 pointers), then didn't start against Belmont but scored 17 points hitting 8 of 13 shots (1-1 3 pointers). Looks like Patton is the go to guy, whether he starts or not.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2006, 01:02:39 pm
Thanks guys. I know that WU gets a chance to see Fisk at FU monday night. If anyone is intersted The Fisk @ Lipscomb game today at 2:00pm a can be heard at a link on Lipscomb's website. Lipscomb has a pretty good team I beleive a win against Evansville and a good schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2006, 03:22:41 pm
OK, No broadcast. Gamecast. Fisk out to early 20-10 lead.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2006, 04:19:16 pm
Fisk 44 Lipscomb 36 Halftime
It appears Fisk has size and plays an up-tempo style. The # of steals makes me beleive there may be some pressing.

Sure would be nice time find some kind of roster with sizes on this team.

Lipscomb started the game 4-2 w/ losses at Missouri and a 7 pt. loss at So. Carolina.
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2006, 04:50:44 pm
Lipscomb 80 Fisk 68
Fisk hel lead till late. LU shot 25ft to Fisk 10 (10-10). Fisk did not shoot as well the 2nd half and was in foul trouble.
FU will have their hands full. WU vs. Fisk ought to be a good game.

From the MVC board:
Grinnell 136 Mac 116

Also: MSOE 82 WU 79
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 25, 2006, 07:09:39 pm
The SLIAC is getting a shutout hurled at us - Blackburn loses by 17 at Blackburn  --  Hammond had 1 FG  -  what's going on at Carlinville????

So we have MU and PRIN playing tonite - in danger of going oh for 5 for the day  -  I'm finding out more than I wanted to today......
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BunchTime on November 25, 2006, 08:11:19 pm
Tough one for the Gorloks today....wasn't in attendance, but the box score indicates that they were down by as much as 19 at one point.  They clawed there way back in but couldn't get over the hurdle.  They were within about 5 throughout the second half and even had many chances to tie, but feel within 3.  Man, these are the games that they really need to win.  I was hoping for a better showing, especially coming off a solid win over Hanover!
Title: Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 25, 2006, 11:32:49 pm
Maryville beats a pretty good Reinhardt team 65-54....  strange game, great cause for optimism for this young Maryville team.
Where to start...  How about this, Maryville's starting lineup was the smallest I've ever seen in my 40 years associated with college basketball..
Frosh  Tyler Saxton,at 5'8", Frosh Jake Baechle at 5'11", Frosh Jared McCoy at 5'11", So Teddy Mcgrath, power forward at 5'11", and sr Jason Rezebek in the middle at 6'4".  This against a very athletic group from Reinhardt.
Coach Rogers used - get this - a 15 man rotation!!!!!!
Two VERY impressive things about the game - THE great energy and enthusiasm that Maryville played the whole game with - and how they expanded the lead in the final four minutes of the game - they had been up 8with 12 minutes left, saw it cut to 1 or 2 with 4 to 5 minutes left, and really dominated the final four minutes of play - very few bad decisions by the 3 frosh guards and Teddy Mcgrath.
a large number of individual moments worth mentioning - Casey Holland had a series of rebounds in the first half and displayed leadership without the usual turnovers;  Scott Murfin hit 3 big 3 pointers in the 2nd half that were killers to Reinhardt's comeback, Big Matt Deimeke continued to show offensive skills close to the basket and was in the middle of several scraps for the ball, Jason Rezebeck went to the hole hard- had 9 points but would have had 17 if not for missed layups; Aaron Steinke went to the basket hard for 2, something he'd been shy about before.
In the long run, both teams shot POORLY - Maryvil